America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - The Case Against Twitter feat. Jared Taylor | America First Ep. 184

00:00:02.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:03.000 We're watching America First.

00:00:05.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:07.000 We've got a great show for you tonight and a great guest, a man who certainly needs no introduction around here, but I'll give him one anyway.

00:00:15.000 The founder and editor of American Renaissance.

00:00:18.000 He is one of the smartest, one of the best guys around in this movement doing activism for our people and our country.

00:00:25.000 The great Jared Taylor.

00:00:26.000 Welcome to the show.

00:00:29.000 My goodness, I better live up to that introduction.

00:00:31.000 This is quite a challenge.

00:00:32.000 You put me on the spot.

00:00:34.000 Very good.

00:00:35.000 Well, it's great to have you.

00:00:36.000 This is the first time that you've been on the show, and you're one of the most frequently requested guests.

00:00:42.000 And there's a lot of things that we have to talk about tonight, so I want to get straight into it.

00:00:47.000 I know you've had a busy week, and for a very good reason.

00:00:50.000 The first thing I want to talk about, of course, is your lawsuit against Twitter.com.

00:00:56.000 And I got to tell you, this was incredible.

00:00:59.000 I mean, we have been looking at this issue, the free speech issue online, as one of the biggest impediments to the spread of.

00:01:07.000 And the spread of our ideas for like three years now.

00:01:11.000 I mean, it's been a pretty long time.

00:01:13.000 I know many people can relate to this.

00:01:14.000 And this was the first real breakthrough on the free speech issue in the frontier of social media.

00:01:20.000 So I'm just going to quickly read through a few excerpts from the press release, and then we can discuss that.

00:01:26.000 So you had a big press release on June 15th, on Friday, and it described how Twitter tried to strike down your complaint, they tried to dismiss your lawsuit, but Judge Harold Kahn.

00:01:41.000 Has allowed this to go forward.

00:01:43.000 So now Twitter has 30 days to respond.

00:01:45.000 The judge said that this was an eloquent argument.

00:01:48.000 They said it gets to the heart of the free speech issue, and there is no other case that could be a clearer case of the public interest.

00:01:56.000 And so it's a great victory.

00:01:59.000 Congratulations.

00:02:00.000 And tell us a little bit about the process.

00:02:02.000 I mean, you're the man to ask.

00:02:04.000 Well, thank you very much.

00:02:05.000 In some respects, I'm not necessarily the man to ask.

00:02:08.000 The best man to ask might be one of our lawyers.

00:02:11.000 But it's a pretty complicated business, believe me.

00:02:14.000 We are suing Twitter under California state law, and we sued on several grounds.

00:02:21.000 And in some respects, I was disappointed that some of the more wide ranging grounds we sued on were denied by the judge.

00:02:30.000 Now, later on, we can bring up these arguments, but these are arguments that would outright ban any kind of viewpoint discrimination on the internet.

00:02:39.000 And that's very much our goal.

00:02:41.000 At this point, the case is proceeding on somewhat narrower grounds.

00:02:45.000 And it has to do with California's unfair competition laws.

00:02:49.000 That is to say, the kinds of contracts that Twitter can enter into with its users, the kind of advertising that it held itself out as being, for example, a free speech platform, but now it turns out that it's not a free speech platform at all.

00:03:06.000 So it was a kind of false advertising.

00:03:08.000 So the suit will move forward really on two grounds.

00:03:11.000 One is of false advertising, that they claimed to be something that they are in fact not.

00:03:17.000 They initially were describing themselves as the free speech wing of the free speech movement.

00:03:22.000 In other words, anything goes.

00:03:25.000 And when we signed on seven years ago, they had a whole list, well, it was a pretty short list, of the only reasons that they could justify banning an account or removing a tweet.

00:03:36.000 And that was such things as copyright violation, promoting illegal activity, selling drugs, for example, exposing private information if I were putting your credit card information on the internet.

00:03:48.000 That kind of Clearly objectionable, libelous, defamation, that kind of thing.

00:03:54.000 But then, and they said, as far as any opinions are concerned, absolutely anything goes.

00:03:58.000 Well, now we know that that's clearly not the case.

00:04:01.000 So, this false advertising.

00:04:02.000 The other is that the judge held that they may have the right, in fact, they probably do have the right, to ban certain accounts for reasons other than this kind of egregious, illegal, or unconscionable behavior.

00:04:20.000 Well, basically, illegal behavior, which is what their list originally was.

00:04:23.000 But they said if Twitter's going to do that, then they've got to have a clear set of criteria, and they absolutely cannot, as they now claim, reserve the right to kick people off.

00:04:34.000 Anytime for any reason, which is what they're now claiming.

00:04:38.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that's, I think, a huge victory.

00:04:41.000 I know, you know, in terms of the number of complaints that you filed, it is now, I think, a little bit of a narrower case.

00:04:47.000 I remember when you talked about this at American Renaissance, you brought up the California state law, which I thought was a remarkably creative argument about how Twitter constituted a public forum.

00:04:58.000 And even private enterprises, private spaces have to be used for a public forum in the state of California.

00:05:05.000 So, Although it is disappointing, I think that it has been narrowed from some of those more creative arguments.

00:05:10.000 I think that the judge recognized that Twitter cannot, in fact, allow or cannot rather basically be above the law, where, as you say, they enter into a contract with their users and they can change the rules.

00:05:24.000 They can ban you for whatever reason, no matter what.

00:05:26.000 And even in the lawsuit, I think they sort of reluctantly said they could ban people for their race, for their sexual orientation.

00:05:33.000 I mean, any class of people for any reason.

00:05:35.000 I think that really gets at the heart of our problem.

00:05:38.000 Because you look at many of the accounts, yours included, which was, I think, one of the most law abiding accounts on this sort of dissident right wing spaces, where you follow the rules, and many of us would be okay to play by the rules.

00:05:51.000 But the problem is then we find out that, well, the rules are changed on a dime, and actually, somehow you're qualified as somebody who's connected to violence according to their reason for why they took you out.

00:06:02.000 And it was, of course, that was just nonsense.

00:06:04.000 So I think that really gets at the heart of it.

00:06:06.000 So I think it's very optimistic right now.

00:06:10.000 Well, yes, it is a very significant victory.

00:06:13.000 Like anyone who files a suit, I'd like to win on all counts.

00:06:17.000 And our lawyers are very, very happy that the suit is moving forward.

00:06:22.000 And if it ever goes to appeal, which it very likely will, because if we win, Twitter is not just going to take this lying down, then we can re argue the broader issues.

00:06:31.000 And the fact is, we are asking a judge to consider that a privately owned public forum should have a First Amendment obligation to permit all.

00:06:45.000 non illegal speech, all legal speech.

00:06:47.000 In other words, completely eliminate viewpoint discrimination.

00:06:50.000 That's asking a judge to do something rather creative.

00:06:53.000 And first level trial judges rarely do that.

00:06:56.000 It's at the appellate level that ordinarily you get that kind of creative, uh, judicial reasoning.

00:07:03.000 So this was not a surprising.

00:07:05.000 This is not a surprising outcome for veteran legal observers, but still for a guy like me who's aiming for the top, it can still be disappointing, but the suit can proceed.

00:07:16.000 That's a very, very encouraging thing.

00:07:18.000 The precedent that we were trying to go for was the holding that even if an entity is privately owned, if it acts as a public forum, and in this case, it was a shopping center that was held to be a public forum for people walking around in it, going up to each other, talking to each other.

00:07:35.000 And so the shopping center was not allowed to say, no, no, no, you can't distribute leaflets, you can't look for signatories for petitions to the UN or things like that.

00:07:46.000 And we thought, well, okay.

00:07:47.000 If a shopping center is a public forum for that purpose and has to abide by First Amendment obligations, well, then for heaven's sake, Twitter, which holds itself out as a public forum, surely should be subject to this kind of interpretation.

00:08:00.000 But as I say, that would be a step forward that a trial level judge is very seldom likely to want to make.

00:08:08.000 Yeah, well, that's a great point that you make because you're right.

00:08:10.000 I mean, really what it comes down to is this issue of the First Amendment really being narrow in terms of its scope in the 21st century, whereas it covers papers and the press and some of the more.

00:08:21.000 Legacy conventional forms of media in the 21st century, when you have these major monopolies on social media and they can ban whoever they want for whatever reason because they're private companies, we have an area, a gray area, where the law isn't really being followed according to the spirit of free speech, which is that, as you say, you should be able to have a public forum on Twitter, which is much bigger than a shopping center in California.

00:08:47.000 And I think the important thing that makes this a win is that it's proceeding.

00:08:51.000 You know, this is the first time that.

00:08:53.000 Social media censorship has been actionable under law.

00:08:56.000 So that's a great thing.

00:08:57.000 Yes, yes.

00:08:59.000 It's a tremendous victory.

00:09:00.000 And it means that we can move on to discovery.

00:09:04.000 And for those of your viewers who don't know what discovery is, this means we can legally compel them to give us their internal documents on how they went about making decisions to ban people.

00:09:17.000 And we can also put their employees under oath and make them testify as to what the process is whereby.

00:09:24.000 They make these really quite ridiculous decisions.

00:09:27.000 As you pointed out, when they did ban my account and that of my organization, American Renaissance, the excuse they gave was that we were both affiliated with a violent extremist group.

00:09:39.000 Now, in all of our filings back and forth so far, and there have been three or four different exchanges in very detailed matters, matters of law, matters of fact, not once have they ever attempted to somehow link either account to anything related to violence.

00:09:57.000 Nor have they ever even cited a single tweet of the thousands and thousands of tweets that we had emitted over the seven year period that we were on the platform.

00:10:07.000 Never have they cited a single tweet that they said violated their terms of agreement.

00:10:10.000 So they did, in effect, back themselves into the corner in which they said, Well, okay, maybe we can't produce anything that says they're really violent.

00:10:20.000 We can't produce anything that shows they have violated our terms of agreement.

00:10:24.000 So they have fallen back on this position.

00:10:26.000 Well, we can ban.

00:10:27.000 Anybody, anytime, for any reason. 0.99

00:10:29.000 And as you pointed out, the judge said, well, gosh, then you could just ban all black people. 0.99

00:10:33.000 You could ban all mentally disabled people. 0.99

00:10:35.000 You could ban all women. 0.91

00:10:36.000 And their lawyer said, well, uh, well, your honor, we would never do that, of course. 1.00

00:10:40.000 But yes, we have that right.

00:10:42.000 And, uh, Judge Kant said, no, I don't think you have that right.

00:10:45.000 So, uh, the case will move forward, but this is just round one in what is likely to be a long battle.

00:10:52.000 And I hope that it will certainly change the way these media platforms operate.

00:10:57.000 And as you point out, We live in really an unconscionable era in which you have enormous corporations that control what is, in effect, the public square in terms of exchange of ideas, who have the right to say, No, I don't like this guy.

00:11:13.000 I don't like what he says.

00:11:14.000 He may be perfectly legal.

00:11:15.000 He may be perfectly polite.

00:11:17.000 He may be perfectly rational.

00:11:18.000 He may be well behaved.

00:11:19.000 I just don't like what he says.

00:11:20.000 And so I'm going to silence him.

00:11:23.000 This is an extraordinary state of affairs.

00:11:25.000 And oddly enough, Twitter, despite.

00:11:29.000 If they were sued and they were told, okay, one of your Twitter users has said something libelous, genuinely libelous, and they are attacked for that, they would hide behind the defense of saying, no, no, no, this is something that was tweeted by our user, not us.

00:11:47.000 On the other hand, when it comes to our suit, they are arguing that they're just like a newspaper and they have the right to pick and choose what goes out under the Twitter label.

00:11:57.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:11:59.000 And this is an argument that we hope to be able to make in court as well.

00:12:02.000 On the one hand, they're saying, no, no, you can't hold us responsible for what's out there.

00:12:06.000 And then they say, well, we are responsible because we pick and choose what goes out as tweets.

00:12:12.000 So, you know, now that we've really got them in court and we can hold their feet to the fire, I'm very much looking forward to a favorable outcome, but this stuff takes time.

00:12:23.000 And alas, it takes money.

00:12:26.000 Our lawyers are working at cut rates, but they don't work for free.

00:12:30.000 And so we are in the begging business once again.

00:12:33.000 So, I don't like to rattle a tin cup too much, but this is going to be a long and expensive fight.

00:12:38.000 And if any of your viewers are sympathetic, they can certainly come to our website and help us out.

00:12:43.000 By all means, no, absolutely.

00:12:45.000 It's such an exciting opportunity here and such an important frontier for what we're trying to do.

00:12:51.000 You know, I could be on my show and doing my show, but if the social media companies, and it looks like we're headed in this direction, decide after one or two or three years that, well, you know, just general right wing conservative thought isn't going to fly on our platform.

00:13:04.000 It really puts us in a very difficult position to make political reform.

00:13:08.000 So, by all means, I would encourage people to go and donate because this is, if not one of the most important, the most important frontiers for the dissemination of this kind of information, these kinds of thoughts in this period right now.

00:13:21.000 So, it's a very exciting time.

00:13:24.000 Well, and there's no question that all of these social platforms have been moving left, moving in the direction of censorship the last few years.

00:13:33.000 For seven years, I, in American Renaissance, we consistently did the same thing year in, year out.

00:13:40.000 We tweeted about facts.

00:13:42.000 We tweeted about our own activities.

00:13:44.000 We tweeted about our take on the news.

00:13:46.000 We tweeted about conferences, books we'd published, all in a very gentlemanly way.

00:13:51.000 We almost never engaged in any kind of debate.

00:13:53.000 We certainly never did any name calling.

00:13:55.000 And then for seven years, we were okay.

00:13:57.000 Then suddenly, suddenly, in December of last year, we're not okay anymore.

00:14:01.000 And this has been the fate of many, many people.

00:14:05.000 primarily on the right.

00:14:06.000 So as you say, if these Silicon Valley companies decided they could simply cut us off from the internet, absolutely cut us off.

00:14:13.000 We'd be back in the dark ages.

00:14:14.000 And as you know, of course, you live on the internet.

00:14:17.000 You wouldn't exist without the internet.

00:14:19.000 I date back to the prehistoric days when we actually had printed monthly publications, but the internet means that we have gone from a maximum monthly circulation in print of 4,000 a month to sometimes getting 400,000 viewers a month to our website.

00:14:37.000 And to our traffic, our YouTube videos, et cetera.

00:14:39.000 So the internet is an absolutely essential part of your and my activity.

00:14:44.000 And I think this is a very important suit to keep it open.

00:14:47.000 And I would add that if there's still any honest liberals out there, they too should support us.

00:14:53.000 Because after all, what if there's some kind of change?

00:14:57.000 What if the wrong guys, from their point of view, take over and start banning them?

00:15:01.000 This is a principled argument that all ideas should be present in the marketplace of ideas.

00:15:07.000 Right.

00:15:08.000 It's so absolutely critical in terms of, you know, we're not really competitive.

00:15:13.000 When you think about it, that we're competing with people on YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter with printed publications and Gab, you know, it just is, there's no way that we could compete.

00:15:22.000 And it's funny that you bring up liberals and why they should support this, and even some of the conservatives.

00:15:28.000 And what's fascinating to me, and let me know if this is your experience you have people like Dave Rubin, you have people like Ben Shapiro, you have these people on Fox News, and they champion the free speech issue all day long on college campuses.

00:15:41.000 They champion it for their guys.

00:15:42.000 But when it comes to us, you know, when we get ghettoized and we get kicked off and abused for not breaking any rules, for simply participating in the conversation with ideas that maybe are a little uncomfortable for them.

00:15:54.000 You know, suddenly we find ourselves that we don't have a defense.

00:15:58.000 We don't have a voice.

00:16:00.000 You know, even you look at Breitbart sometimes, they'll do a big piece about conservatives being censored.

00:16:05.000 They'll deliberately leave our names out of it.

00:16:07.000 I mean, so do you get frustrated at the hypocrisy of even people on the right with this issue?

00:16:13.000 Oh, yes.

00:16:14.000 Those are people, especially, who should know better.

00:16:18.000 Because once you and I have been completely silenced, they should know that they are next in line in the crosshairs.

00:16:25.000 They should be the ones being prepared to say, okay, We may not disagree with these guys, but it's vitally important that their voices be heard.

00:16:33.000 But no, they're not daring to do that.

00:16:36.000 This is part of the sickness of the so called conservative movement.

00:16:40.000 Every conservative seems to think, well, okay, what I say is reasonable, but anything that goes beyond what I say towards the right or towards sort of any kind of racial orientation or towards any kind of even a religious orientation, ooh, that's too far.

00:16:55.000 I'm the limit of respectability.

00:16:57.000 This is a very sick and sad state of affairs.

00:17:00.000 And that is why so often, You get so called conservative publications and organizations firing their employees when the left points out, oh, this guy, Jason Richwine, he once wrote a thesis for his Harvard PhD on a forbidden subject, something having to do with maybe race and IQ.

00:17:19.000 And then, okay, Harriet is, uh oh, okay, sorry, yes, sir, we will throw this guy out the door.

00:17:26.000 This kind of truckling to the left, I think, is one of the most contemptible aspects of so called conservatives.

00:17:34.000 And you would think that after 25 years of this charade, they would know better, right?

00:17:34.000 Absolutely.

00:17:40.000 I mean, these are supposedly educated people in think tanks, people in academia, and yet the basic pattern recognition, which is that that kind of compromise, that kind of accommodation of the left, you know, does it ever really pay off?

00:17:53.000 I think this is a great way to transition into the other thing I want to talk about today, which is the Trump executive order on the separation of the children of illegal immigrants.

00:18:05.000 Here you have another clear case of the left is screaming like their heads are cut off.

00:18:09.000 You know, there's Rachel Maddow's crying on TV.

00:18:11.000 Everybody's crying.

00:18:13.000 And everybody's all up in arms.

00:18:13.000 How dare you?

00:18:15.000 And Trump says, okay, well, you know what?

00:18:17.000 I will accommodate.

00:18:18.000 We will end this pressure.

00:18:20.000 And is the expectation that people will say, oh, well, you know, Trump is a great guy now.

00:18:24.000 Hey, he was bad before, but now we like him.

00:18:26.000 Now he's a hero.

00:18:27.000 Of course not.

00:18:28.000 It never works out like this.

00:18:29.000 No, no, no.

00:18:31.000 People apologize.

00:18:32.000 People do what they're told.

00:18:34.000 And all the left does is say, hey, hey, hey, we got another scalp.

00:18:37.000 Who's next?

00:18:39.000 You can't win with these people.

00:18:39.000 No.

00:18:40.000 You absolutely cannot.

00:18:42.000 And to me, it's astonishing the way the left has been just vituperative in frankly the most hateful ways about Donald Trump and his policies.

00:18:53.000 There was an article in the forward by a woman named Lavin.

00:18:58.000 And sorry.

00:19:00.000 And what happened with that is that she was saying that we cannot even be friends with Trump supporters. 0.92

00:19:07.000 Anybody who voted for Trump is basically a Nazi. 1.00

00:19:10.000 A horrible person. 0.99

00:19:11.000 And if you find yourself at the dinner table with a Trump supporter, you take your glass, smash it, and leave the room because we can't even bear to be in the same room and be polite to these people who voted for Trump. 0.87

00:19:24.000 What kind of mentality is that?

00:19:25.000 This is the attitude they have towards us.

00:19:28.000 And obviously, if that is the kind of typical, just animus, the visceral animus that they hold for Donald Trump, obviously they're going to be even more viscerally animated against someone like you or me.

00:19:42.000 And there is just no compromise, no dealing with these people.

00:19:45.000 I don't think that the United States has been this far apart psychologically or politically, certainly since the eve of the Civil War.

00:19:54.000 This is an extraordinary state of affairs in which there is just no dialogue possible with these people.

00:19:58.000 And it is the champions of tolerance and diversity who are the most intolerant and incapable of accepting a diverse point of view.

00:20:08.000 This is a kind of liberal, liberal bigotry that I think is probably without precedent in the history of the world, unless you go back to something like the French Revolution or the worst times, the Soviet Revolution.

00:20:19.000 That's a great comparison to these left wing ideological totalitarian governments because you're right.

00:20:25.000 At the end of the day, it is about the issue of equality, it's about the issue of egalitarianism, and it is about race.

00:20:32.000 And I've had so many conservatives, liberals, journalists, they always say the same thing, which is I don't know if it's quite the race thing.

00:20:40.000 You know, I've heard this from everybody.

00:20:42.000 I really don't know if it's quite about race, but of course, we know that there are two different worldviews in the country.

00:20:48.000 You know, like you said, polarized in a way that they've never been before, where it's It's irreconcilable.

00:20:53.000 Two different visions that are mutually exclusive.

00:20:55.000 And so, given that the divide is so severe and that it would be really hard to make these two things come together, what do you see as the future of the country?

00:21:06.000 Do you see it as opening up into conflict?

00:21:09.000 Do you see it as, well, one side is going to win and dominate the other?

00:21:13.000 Do you see it as, well, the left has education, so maybe our side will just go out of existence?

00:21:18.000 What is in America's future for this divide?

00:21:20.000 Does it get healed?

00:21:21.000 Do we have a divorce?

00:21:22.000 What happens in your mind?

00:21:24.000 You know, that is really the big question of our time.

00:21:27.000 And you and I are fighting on one side of this divide.

00:21:31.000 And it sometimes makes me think well, I used to be a lefty.

00:21:36.000 And believe it or not, I was a pretty thoroughgoing lefty.

00:21:39.000 And I read Witness by Whitaker Chambers.

00:21:42.000 And of course, Witness was at one time a communist.

00:21:45.000 And then he became disenchanted with communism and he became an opponent of communism.

00:21:50.000 But he wrote that when he made that switch, he thought that communism had such a Powerful gust of wind in its sails, a just permanent typhoon backing it, that he, by turning against communism, was joining the losing side.

00:22:07.000 Well, he was wrong.

00:22:09.000 Communism is now all gone.

00:22:09.000 He was wrong.

00:22:11.000 And so things can change in a most dramatic way.

00:22:15.000 It does seem that the left certainly has most of the media, most of the education.

00:22:20.000 At the same time, whenever you see people with an opportunity to speak on their own, when they are not being browbeaten by the media, browbeaten by some sort of educational institution, When they have a chance to vote for Donald Trump or when they have a chance to write comments, even on mainstream news sites in an uncensored sort of way, there's an enormous amount of public sense of common sense out there in the public.

00:22:45.000 I think again, we've probably never had as much of a divide between published opinion and public opinion.

00:22:53.000 In other words, the things that most people say are by no means the things that the most, uh, that the editorial writers, the, uh, the talking heads on television say so many times.

00:23:04.000 And I'm sure you found this even.

00:23:06.000 In a liberal organization like the Washington Post or the New York Times, if you read the comments, the commenters have a vastly more realistic view of the world.

00:23:16.000 They see things, they draw parallels, they see patterns that the authors of these articles are deliberately blind to.

00:23:23.000 So that's a long winded way of saying it may look like the other side holds many trump cards, but just like the Soviet Union up until the very end looked like it could not be a more stable society, it crumbled in an instant.

00:23:40.000 The current orthodoxy, I think, one of the reasons it's lashing out so viciously by means of these Twitter suits, by means of this utter, utter vituperation and hatred of Trump, it's because they have a sense that their orthodoxy, their control, their control of what we all are supposed to think and do is slipping.

00:24:01.000 And every orthodoxy lashes out with particular viciousness and nastiness just before it crumbles.

00:24:08.000 That's a very well put way to say that.

00:24:11.000 And I think it's so important that this is.

00:24:14.000 Understood by the people in this movement because I'm sure you know this as well as many people because you talk to other people in the movement and people who have these feelings.

00:24:23.000 And like you say, it is a sentiment that, although it's not allowed to be printed, although it's not allowed to be aired on television, it is felt pretty widely.

00:24:31.000 And I think one of the biggest ceilings, one of the biggest obstacles is this sense of hopelessness, of nihilism, this idea that the deck is so stacked against us, you know, why bother?

00:24:42.000 Can we even do it?

00:24:43.000 Can we even surmount it?

00:24:44.000 Is it even worth trying?

00:24:46.000 And so.

00:24:47.000 I think that is such an important point to drive home, essentially, that, like you say, history is like that.

00:24:53.000 It tends to move very quickly.

00:24:54.000 And, you know, they say about empires, they collapse very slowly and then very quickly, you know, in the case of the Soviet Union or France or others.

00:25:02.000 And so I think that's such an important message.

00:25:05.000 And, yeah, go ahead.

00:25:06.000 Well, one thing I did want to say I have been running American Renaissance ever since 1990.

00:25:13.000 That's since well before you and many of your viewers were even born.

00:25:18.000 And There was certainly a time, I would say, for the first maybe 15, maybe as many as 20 years, I felt like I was just making a record. 0.93

00:25:28.000 I was making a number of points so that if some obscure researcher in the next century actually took the time to look into what people were saying back in the days when I was alive, they might find that at least a few of us were not all cowards and fools.

00:25:47.000 I felt like I was just making a kind of historical record.

00:25:50.000 I don't feel that way now.

00:25:51.000 I've seen Silence and lack of progress for many years.

00:25:56.000 What by comparison, what we see today is a remarkable burgeoning of websites, of Twitter accounts, of publishers, of people like you, people who are taking advantage of the media and the opportunities available to us now to get word out to all sorts of people who would never have heard it before.

00:26:16.000 And it is so much easier.

00:26:18.000 Anybody with brains and a little bit of talent and persistence can have a voice.

00:26:24.000 And that is why, to get back to the original subject of this interview, this Twitter suit, this way of making it a guaranteed fact that we are able to spread our views through these modern media is so important.

00:26:37.000 But if we have this, we have a real fighting chance.

00:26:41.000 And as I say, for the first time, for the first time in maybe the 28 years I've been doing this, in the last several years, I've been very optimistic.

00:26:48.000 People who have just come to this way of viewing things, they are easily discouraged by what is.

00:26:54.000 In my mind, just a temporary setback because compared to five years ago, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, we are light years ahead and we're going to continue to be that way.

00:27:03.000 Well, yeah, I mean, it is about having a certain sense of proportion of where we've been and where we are now.

00:27:03.000 Absolutely.

00:27:09.000 I think maybe because social media makes everything move so much more quickly, I think people get kind of this tunnel vision of, you know, the world is ending right now.

00:27:19.000 If we don't get it right in the next 30 days, it's all over.

00:27:21.000 But I think you're right.

00:27:23.000 If you look at the general trend over the past five years or 10 years or 15 years, we've gone nowhere but up.

00:27:30.000 And I think, absolutely.

00:27:31.000 And I think that the establishment has worked so vigorously to silence us on the internet.

00:27:38.000 To shut us down on Twitter, on YouTube, and everywhere else is because it's working.

00:27:42.000 I think they understand better than we do how fragile their system is, how quickly they can spiral out of control if your message, my message, people, other people horizontally in this movement gets out to a wider audience, the kind of audience that the people who get the stamp of approval get access to, what kind of chaos that would cause for the system that they've created.

00:28:04.000 So it's such an important thing, and it's really inspirational to see that.

00:28:08.000 There are people that have soldiered, you know, you say that you started an American Renaissance before I was born, that have soldiered on since the beginning and have seen setbacks and decades and slow growth.

00:28:19.000 But I really am optimistic about where this is headed.

00:28:22.000 And the lawsuit is a big part of that, definitely.

00:28:25.000 Well, you know, I don't mean to sound too excessively sentimental, but my feeling is that we should not chart our course of action after having weighed the chances of success in some sort of calculating way.

00:28:42.000 I think you and I feel a duty, an obligation to what we know to be the truth.

00:28:48.000 And once we have discovered our duty, then even if failure seems likely, that does not mean we deviate from our duty.

00:28:57.000 And so I'm not in the business of always sort of playing the odds, figuring out, well, what are our chances today as opposed to yesterday?

00:29:06.000 No, that doesn't matter.

00:29:07.000 We know we're doing the right thing and that sustains us.

00:29:11.000 Yes.

00:29:11.000 Well, yeah, it's worthwhile.

00:29:13.000 And that's a great point that you make.

00:29:15.000 It's something I talk a lot about on the show about this idea that, like you say, even if there was no chance, even if it was a slim chance, that's not why we do it.

00:29:25.000 There's nothing more that we could do than our best to try for those small opportunities.

00:29:30.000 So, absolutely.

00:29:32.000 And then, so the other subject I want to move on to do you have anything else you want to get to about Twitter?

00:29:37.000 Because I'd like to move on to a different subject.

00:29:41.000 By all means, let's move on.

00:29:43.000 Excellent.

00:29:43.000 So, I watched a documentary that came out on Netflix, which you starred in, or you were actually in it earlier in June.

00:29:52.000 And I wanted to just pick your brain about that presentation.

00:29:56.000 I hope this isn't like a gotcha or like anything like that.

00:29:59.000 But for those people that haven't watched, I think a lot of people have heard of it.

00:30:03.000 It was a documentary called White Right Meeting the Enemy by Dia Khan.

00:30:08.000 And this was, it had been released in December, but it was dropped on Netflix in June.

00:30:14.000 And What was fascinating to me because I watched this and it was really painful to suffer through it because you were in that documentary.

00:30:22.000 And so maybe it's a little unfair to talk to you about this for less than three minutes.

00:30:26.000 And so the first thing I want to ask you is how long did they interview you to get those three minutes?

00:30:31.000 Oh, gosh.

00:30:32.000 I must have spoken to her for an hour and a half.

00:30:35.000 I've not seen the documentary, by the way, but I understand I'm in some of the opening scenes.

00:30:42.000 But that is very much what they like to do.

00:30:46.000 They will talk to you for an hour, an hour and a half. 0.96

00:30:48.000 Two hours, and then they will try to pick whatever little snippet they can out of it, whether in or out of context, to make you look like the wicked and boneless, brainless person that they want to portray you to be.

00:31:03.000 So, as I understand it, I'm asked by her if I see her as my enemy.

00:31:09.000 And then I'm answering to some effect as to, well, objectively, if things go on as you wish them to go on, then my people will disappear.

00:31:18.000 But no, you personally are not my enemy.

00:31:20.000 Is that a fair characterization of what I said?

00:31:22.000 I'm sort of going on memory here.

00:31:24.000 Yeah, 100%.

00:31:25.000 100%.

00:31:26.000 Yeah.

00:31:27.000 But what was she setting me up as, and why at the beginning?

00:31:31.000 You can tell me about this documentary because I haven't even seen it.

00:31:35.000 Yeah, well, the reason I bring it up is actually because the three minutes that you were on, you were in on the beginning and also a little bit towards the end.

00:31:43.000 The reason I bring it up is because by far you were the most eloquent, and even the few minutes that they chopped up, and I know so well because I've been interviewed.

00:31:54.000 To a lesser extent, but I've been a part of that process where they interview you for four hours and they clip four minutes, five minutes, right?

00:32:02.000 And the reason I bring it up is because they have you for 30 seconds at the beginning, towards the end, and in between you, they have the National Socialist Movement.

00:32:10.000 They have Spencer.

00:32:12.000 They have some other people with what I like to call lesser optics, bad optics.

00:32:17.000 And why I wanted to bring it up with you is really to just emphasize the importance of presentation because.

00:32:24.000 I could tell that as a filmmaker like her, she listens to your work, she listens to your thoughts, and the facts that you bring up, it's totally reasonable.

00:32:32.000 You know, anybody could watch probably that hour and a half interview or your speech that you gave at American Renaissance and say, This is a reasonable person.

00:32:39.000 This is a reasonable way to think.

00:32:41.000 But she trimmed it up, and not only trimmed it up, but put it alongside some of these other more unsavory characters. 0.72

00:32:47.000 And what do you think just about that kind of juxtaposition all the time of, well, people who talk about A white homeland, about racial politics.

00:32:57.000 Well, they're just the KKK in suits.

00:33:00.000 I mean, what do you think?

00:33:01.000 Is that a fair comparison?

00:33:02.000 What is the motive there?

00:33:04.000 Well, the motive is clearly to lump us all in the same boat.

00:33:08.000 And the suggestion is as soon as you deviate in the slightest possible way from orthodoxy on all racial or national questions, then you are effectively Adolf Hitler.

00:33:19.000 That is the argument they're trying to make.

00:33:21.000 And it becomes slightly easier to make that, or maybe significantly easier to make that, if you take Uh, a clip of a guy like me or like you and then immediately show a cross burning or immediately show a bunch of guys, uh, sig hiling.

00:33:36.000 Then the, the aura is that we are all part of that, that we may not necessarily do those things, but we're just dying to, you know, my, my right hand is just, I gotta keep, keep it down all the time, but it's tremendous effort, you know, and in my sleep, I'm goose stepping.

00:33:53.000 Now, this is, uh, this is the way they, they try to describe us and they will, oh, the Southern Poverty Law Center, for example, says, uh, I'm careful to avoid racial slurs.

00:34:04.000 I mean, I'm just not in the business of making racial slurs, you know, as if they're all on the tip of my tongue.

00:34:09.000 I'm just bursting to say all these horrible words, but I manage, at least when I'm on camera, you know, to avoid doing this.

00:34:16.000 No, it's a caricature of the most dishonest kind.

00:34:20.000 What I find really, really entertaining, and I wonder to what extent ordinary readers or viewers will understand this, but they will often introduce what I think is an entirely reasonable quotation from me by saying, and white supremacist.

00:34:37.000 And the hate monger, as designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center, says this.

00:34:42.000 And so you've got a real buildup.

00:34:44.000 Watch out, folks.

00:34:45.000 Whatever this guy says, it's going to be awful.

00:34:48.000 It's going to be hair raising.

00:34:49.000 And then, unless they're going to quote me dishonestly, they have to say something I've actually said, and it's pretty reasonable.

00:34:56.000 But I think a lot of people, if they're just skimming along, then the buildup is as much part of the effect as what I actually say.

00:35:04.000 That, too, is a very, very common way of dealing with people like us.

00:35:07.000 Right.

00:35:08.000 Well, it's fascinating that you bring that up because you go to your Wikipedia page, and I pull it up just to prepare a little bit.

00:35:14.000 And the first line is Jared Taylor is an American white supremacist.

00:35:19.000 Right.

00:35:20.000 So, you know, and according to what?

00:35:22.000 So, and to me, that is one of the bigger obstacles in getting out to the public, getting out to a mainstream audience is this idea that when you talk about white racial politics, if you spell it out for people with the data and with the theory and all the rest, it basically makes sense.

00:35:39.000 You know, all we're saying is multicultural societies, multiracial societies don't really work very well.

00:35:45.000 And we want to live in a society that works. 1.00

00:35:47.000 But it has all of that lives in the shadow of things that are.

00:35:53.000 Like you say, a caricature, things that are ugly and maybe a little bit out there, a little bit fringe.

00:35:58.000 And so to me, you look at the success of people who before were described as alt right now, they're kind of called the alt light, you know, these characters that are a little bit in the mainstream, but still kind of on the outside.

00:36:10.000 The key to getting out there is to maybe not go out of our way to live up to the worst expectations, live up to the caricature.

00:36:19.000 And as you do, as many of us have for so long, you know, Put on the shirt and tie and be a little bit respectable and put out a message that is as reasonable as it is.

00:36:29.000 I mean, is that, do you agree that that is a big part of getting the message out?

00:36:34.000 Oh, unquestionably, unquestionably.

00:36:37.000 I think I remember reading some, oh, some estimate that in politics or in salesmanship, the message is 50% how you dress, 40% how you look, and 10% what you say.

00:36:52.000 Now, that's probably an exaggeration and a caricature, but people are.

00:36:56.000 Hugely impressed by the package.

00:36:59.000 And the contents have always come along with a package.

00:37:04.000 And when you think about it, from whom would you want to buy a car?

00:37:09.000 From whom would you want to learn a new idea?

00:37:12.000 Whose argument are you going to be most likely to accept?

00:37:17.000 It's very, very easy when we look back on our own experiences to realize that much as we may wish to be purely rational, purely objective, we are swayed.

00:37:27.000 By appearance, by presentation, by packaging.

00:37:30.000 All of these things are, you know, we're human beings, much as we would like to think that everything we can evaluate in the cold and calculating reasonable manner.

00:37:40.000 That's not the way human beings change.

00:37:43.000 Human beings are emotional, they're drawn to things that have a kind of psychic appeal, an emotional appeal, something that reaches deep into them that's not necessarily verbal or rational.

00:37:55.000 Now, these things are very difficult to control, but we can control our appearance.

00:38:00.000 And we can certainly avoid doing things that we know are going to offend a vast, vast number of people.

00:38:08.000 One of the things that I absolutely hate about how not only the left behaves, but the right as well, American politics is full of people who, in effect, claim to read each other's minds. 0.81

00:38:21.000 This is true, certainly, of the left, who will say that Donald Trump hates Mexicans or I hate Mexicans. 1.00

00:38:30.000 Blacks, all of these motives, they have passed a law because of this. 1.00

00:38:36.000 They can never attribute a rational or reasonable motive to people on the other side. 1.00

00:38:42.000 The fact is, we sometimes fall for that temptation as well.

00:38:47.000 I can't tell you how many people with whom I've discussed Angela Merkel. 1.00

00:38:52.000 Of course, she's the chancellor of Germany, and she has led in this wave of Muslim immigrants that's transforming Europe in what we think are horrible ways, and which the Germans likewise are finding to be horrible ways, and they're beginning to speak up about it. 1.00

00:39:06.000 But people will say, gosh, she just must hate Germany. 1.00

00:39:10.000 Or she must hate Europe or Europeans.

00:39:13.000 She doesn't have to think in those terms to do what she does.

00:39:17.000 I think in the case of Angela Merkel, she probably thinks that she's being very generous.

00:39:22.000 She also probably thinks that she is atoning for Germany's past.

00:39:27.000 Also, she's doing something that she knows will get the benefit of the worldwide press.

00:39:34.000 She will be considered a hero.

00:39:36.000 And I think also, if she even thinks in these terms, she might think that, well, all of these young men who, With the right environment and training, can become good little Germans, just like people who've been there for 100 generations.

00:39:50.000 These people will make up for our falling birth rates. 0.58

00:39:53.000 But primarily, and I think this is typical of the way Europeans and Americans behave, primarily, I think she's convinced that she's doing the right and generous thing.

00:40:05.000 She's not trying to destroy Germany. 0.82

00:40:07.000 She's not trying to obliterate the white race. 0.88

00:40:10.000 I don't believe that for a moment.

00:40:12.000 All based on my own external observation and speculation.

00:40:16.000 Of course, I've never met her.

00:40:17.000 I have no idea what she's like as a person.

00:40:19.000 But to attribute base motives to someone like her or someone like Nancy Pelosi or Hillary Clinton, it is true that objectively they are doing things that are very, very destructive to us, to our culture, to our people, to everything we love.

00:40:34.000 But I don't think that we can expect to be taken seriously and judged fairly unless we take others seriously and try to judge them fairly, to accept their expression of their motives.

00:40:47.000 Only then, I think, can we expect them to judge our motives, Farrell.

00:40:53.000 Well, exactly.

00:40:53.000 And that's so key when you're dealing with, you know, maybe not world leaders, but when you're dealing with people that you know, people in your family, your neighbors, the compatriots that are going to make this happen.

00:41:03.000 Is you look at a liberal, and I think that's a really fair take in terms of you could look at a liberal, and we know what liberalism will beget for things that we love and care deeply about.

00:41:17.000 But at the same time, we acknowledge that.

00:41:20.000 They think, like you said, that they're doing the right thing.

00:41:22.000 And to understand and to communicate with that opposition, I think we have to be fair to it.

00:41:30.000 Like you say, and people say, well, the left comes after us, this and that.

00:41:34.000 But in terms of the country, in terms of the people that are not the elites that are not making these big decisions, I think when you're looking at just, and even the elites in some cases, I think if you're looking at other people, it does a lot of good to be fair and to come at it from that kind of understanding.

00:41:50.000 I think that's a great point about those conversations.

00:41:54.000 Let's face it, in order for the country to change in the ways that we want it to change, more people have to agree with us.

00:42:01.000 That means we are salesmen.

00:42:04.000 And again, as I mentioned before, what are the effective ways to reach people and to change their minds?

00:42:11.000 I think any kind of expression of mean spiritedness, of triumphalism, of any kind of visceral contempt for others, all of these things are very, very off putting.

00:42:24.000 A neutral or mildly hostile or entirely hostile audience comes to us and expects to hear something from us.

00:42:33.000 They are looking for any possible excuse to discredit whatever we say.

00:42:39.000 And that can be the way you look, the words you choose, your demeanor.

00:42:43.000 And certainly, I think people are going to find it much, much easier to dismiss what you say if you lose your temper, if you express yourself in ways that are insulting to others, if you don't grant the good intentions of others.

00:42:58.000 All of these things are just going to give people who already disagree with us and who are looking for reasons to disagree with us an excuse to ignore everything we say.

00:43:06.000 But All of this is difficult.

00:43:09.000 It's very difficult.

00:43:10.000 When people are insulting you, it's hard to continue to be polite with them. 0.98

00:43:14.000 When people are making one crazy, stupid inference after another from reasonable points you're making, it is difficult to maintain you cool. 0.77

00:43:23.000 But under those circumstances, I think if you can, that is the best way to present our messages. 0.96

00:43:29.000 Now, the messenger is often very much the message.

00:43:33.000 So we have to, well, this is another aspect of our situation.

00:43:37.000 If we are in a position, in a group, And we have any control over who the public outreach, the public face of that group is going to be.

00:43:46.000 We have to be ruthless about eliminating people who are not going to present the message in a useful way.

00:43:52.000 This is something that is of key importance for larger groups.

00:43:56.000 But you simply cannot let people who do not have any control of themselves be the ones that carry our message and try to make our points for us.

00:44:08.000 Well, that you say that we are like salespeople is really the.

00:44:08.000 Right.

00:44:12.000 The whole point of it.

00:44:13.000 I mean, once you understand politics in terms of goals oriented around, we have these ideas, we have these ambitions, now let's achieve them practically.

00:44:23.000 You understand that we have to win elections to do that.

00:44:26.000 Like you say, we have to persuade people to agree with us.

00:44:28.000 And, you know, many people call me, they say I sound like a used car salesman.

00:44:33.000 And it's kind of true, but it also gets to the point of what we're trying to do, which is to sell, which is to persuade, which is to get people around our way of thinking.

00:44:41.000 And I think the prototype for the kinds of people that have done this are.

00:44:45.000 Like Donald Trump.

00:44:46.000 You know, Donald Trump was funny.

00:44:48.000 You know, he was funny.

00:44:49.000 He was likable.

00:44:50.000 He talked like us.

00:44:51.000 Even people who didn't like him had to kind of chuckle at some of his antics. 0.51

00:44:55.000 You know, and in many ways, the things that he was saying were disarmed by the silly things. 0.73

00:45:01.000 You know, they're trying to say, this guy's Hitler. 0.97

00:45:02.000 He's bad, whatever.

00:45:03.000 And he's going bing, bing, bong on his phone. 0.54

00:45:05.000 And he's, you know, got this goofy haircut.

00:45:07.000 So, I mean, do you think that's also a big part of it?

00:45:10.000 Yes, yes, yes, it is.

00:45:13.000 An ability to say serious things in a funny way.

00:45:16.000 With a light touch.

00:45:18.000 That is a real gift.

00:45:21.000 I wish I had it.

00:45:22.000 When I get into a debate with somebody, I just get grim.

00:45:26.000 I feel as though I'm talking about the most important things in the world.

00:45:31.000 And it's difficult for me to maintain a light touch.

00:45:34.000 There are people like, I don't know if you knew the writer, Joseph Sobrin.

00:45:37.000 He was a genius in terms of writing about serious things in a lighthearted way.

00:45:43.000 Mark Twain, if you go back even further, he had that ability.

00:45:47.000 H.L. Mencken did too.

00:45:48.000 Occasionally, you'll find someone who can talk about real life or death issues, but do it in a way that does not sound as though it's life or death.

00:45:57.000 And if you can actually joke about things, be self deprecating, you're absolutely right about Donald Trump.

00:46:03.000 He's not often self deprecating, but he says things that are funny, things that convey to an audience, even a hostile audience, just how human, how real, how likable, how genuine he is.

00:46:15.000 I think when he first came on the scene, that was one of the huge aspects of his appeal.

00:46:20.000 Compared to all of these cardboard cutout politicians who have to have five different focus groups and 25 advisors to tell them what position to take on any issue of the day, he would just say, I say this, I say that.

00:46:32.000 That's very refreshing.

00:46:34.000 A real human being rather than some sort of computer printout, which is what all the rest of them are.

00:46:40.000 Very refreshing.

00:46:41.000 All of those things are important.

00:46:42.000 And so our ideas, we have a tremendous advantage because we're right and they're wrong.

00:46:49.000 Now, they have an enormous media enterprise, they have an enormous university enterprise.

00:46:54.000 Most of the churches are backing what they say, but they're wrong and we're right.

00:46:58.000 That's an enormous advantage.

00:46:59.000 That's a key advantage.

00:47:01.000 But we have to combine being right with a presentation that is as winning and as persuasive as possible.

00:47:07.000 Right.

00:47:07.000 Well, and that's really key, I think, to the message is that we're the good guys, you know?

00:47:12.000 And I think a lot of times people get caught up in reveling in the fact that we are dissident and we almost, in a way, internalize the things that are said about us.

00:47:22.000 You know, I think it started out as a joke where we said, Oh, yeah, you know, we're really hateful.

00:47:27.000 We're really the racists.

00:47:29.000 And then I think a lot of people forgot it was joking.

00:47:31.000 You know, it was internalized.

00:47:33.000 And that is such a crucial part of it that our message is that we're trying to save society.

00:47:39.000 You know, when we look at these white liberals who can be so frustrating, you know, I look at some of these conservatives at CPAC, these young men, and they're promoting mass immigration.

00:47:49.000 I think, what a travesty.

00:47:51.000 You know, we're trying to help you.

00:47:52.000 And so that, I think, goes a long way.

00:47:55.000 I think when you can look people in the eyes and say, I believe I'm doing a good thing.

00:47:59.000 I believe I'm a good person.

00:48:01.000 We have the right message.

00:48:02.000 Like you said, 90% of it is going to be in that presentation.

00:48:07.000 And the unfortunate part, I think, for what we've been finding out in the past couple of months is like you also said, we have to be ruthless with cutting out the people that are going to do a bad thing.

00:48:17.000 And you think about it in terms of like a corporation.

00:48:19.000 You know, if McDonald's has a vice president who's out on the street, you know, running around naked with a lightsaber on the highway, you know, they're going to fire him because he's.

00:48:28.000 Making the company look that.

00:48:30.000 And every organization knows how to do this.

00:48:32.000 And I think that's a big part of us as well.

00:48:35.000 Yes.

00:48:36.000 And in the case of our movement, there are many, many different organizations, many people who are acting as spokesmen.

00:48:44.000 And of course, if it's not in your organization, that's not someone you can fire.

00:48:47.000 But you can put distance between yourself and these people.

00:48:50.000 That's about all we can do.

00:48:51.000 I don't think that, as a general rule, it's useful to criticize people in public.

00:48:55.000 These public fights, I think that just gives fuel to.

00:49:00.000 Any opponent who is looking to try to find bad things to say about all of us.

00:49:04.000 But yes, we have to be very careful about who we in effect endorse.

00:49:09.000 This is a very delicate matter and it's often, I think, the sort of thing that should be discussed in private rather than airing our disagreements in public.

00:49:16.000 But whenever you have a dissonant message, you have to be particularly careful about how you convey it.

00:49:23.000 That's always been the case.

00:49:25.000 Anything that is out of the ordinary, out of the mainstream, you have to be very careful about it.

00:49:30.000 That's one of the reasons why I think it's important also.

00:49:33.000 If you have taken A dissident position on one thing, it's unwise to take an equally dissident position on something else. 0.65

00:49:41.000 Because if you are, oh, the moon is green cheese, the earth is flat, or if you take some sort of position that's outside of the mainstream as well, that becomes yet another, yet another reason to say, oh, this guy's just a complete kook.

00:49:55.000 And that, of course, is the objective of our sternest and most persistent enemies, such as the ADL or the SPLC.

00:50:04.000 They want to call us.

00:50:07.000 Hatemongers, on the assumption that once having been informed that we are hatemongers, that means the American public realizes our minds are unhinged, we are motivated by the basest emotions, and that's all they need to know in order to not even bother to listen to a word we say. 0.57

00:50:27.000 That has been, I think, a very, very successful tactic for them. 0.95

00:50:31.000 The SPLC will never sit down and argue with someone like me or you.

00:50:35.000 No, no, no.

00:50:37.000 They, at this point, because What they say is accepted by the general zeitgeist of our times.

00:50:43.000 All they have to do, although this tactic is becoming less and less successful, in the past, all they've had to do is say, this is one of our designated hate groups or hate mongers.

00:50:55.000 And then that means the public at large and certainly the mainstream media don't have to take you seriously.

00:51:01.000 That has been a successful tactic, but I think it's less and less successful all the time.

00:51:05.000 Well, yeah.

00:51:05.000 Right.

00:51:06.000 I mean, they rely on delegitimization because.

00:51:09.000 Because you're so correct in that if a Jared Holt, if the SPLC, the A deal, if they sat down and actually had to debate the ideas, I think most people, conservatives, and certainly I think a good amount of people in the middle, would find themselves agreeing more with us as opposed to this radical, cosmopolitan, open borders vision of them.

00:51:28.000 I mean, that is the biggest tool in their arsenal.

00:51:28.000 So you're right.

00:51:32.000 But also, as time goes on and as they expand it, greatly to our benefit, when they apply it to people like Ben Shapiro and to Steven Crowder, and they say, oh, everybody's a white supremacist. 0.83

00:51:42.000 Supremacist, everybody's a neo Nazi.

00:51:44.000 That's when it starts to lose its value. 0.71

00:51:46.000 So they really have overplayed their hand in the most spectacular way.

00:51:51.000 The left, it's astonishing to me, they would be much, much smarter to stick to much more convincing targets.

00:52:00.000 When they start saying that the scientific method is white supremacist or that speaking in standard English, this is an oppression of Hispanic minorities, they've just gone too far. 1.00

00:52:12.000 They sound like idiots, they sound like cuckoo birds. 1.00

00:52:15.000 The more they say that kind of thing, and the more, oh, Black Lives Matter. 1.00

00:52:19.000 I think Black Lives Matter drew more people into our movement than every video I've ever made, every article I've ever written, every book I've ever published.

00:52:30.000 When they started behaving like that, more and more white people realized, well, wait a minute.

00:52:35.000 Things are not as we have been told.

00:52:37.000 So when you get Antifa out there roaring around burning things and attacking policemen, and they're supposed to be the good guys, and we're supposed to be the bad guys.

00:52:47.000 I feel like calling up George Soros and saying, send those guys another couple of million, George.

00:52:53.000 We want them to keep doing exactly what they're doing.

00:52:56.000 Well, and they say never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.

00:52:56.000 Right.

00:53:00.000 And a big part of the left since the election of Donald Trump has been they've jumped the shark, where even left wing people, and you saw this in the Midwest during the election, are saying, yeah, okay, we're for higher taxes and maybe we're for democratic socialism, but we're not for, like you said, that math is racist and all this other wacky stuff.

00:53:21.000 And Yes.

00:53:22.000 I think so often you see that we do kind of get in the way of them making that mistake, but it would be much wiser for them to, like you said, just carry it out because so much of it is, at the end of the day, to our benefit, persuading people the other side.

00:53:36.000 And Black Lives Matter was particularly beneficial.

00:53:38.000 So many people on my Discord server, my fans who I talk to say, yeah, really it was when Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and the Black Lives Matter thing came around because they're being honest. 0.51

00:53:50.000 You know, they're really, at the end of the day, being honest about what the left wants, which is, This very aggressive, very racial kind of stuff.

00:53:58.000 And yet there are people that want to say, well, we want to be just as distasteful as them.

00:54:02.000 We want to meet them in the streets and do the rest.

00:54:04.000 So, no, That's a terrible mistake.

00:54:07.000 That's a terrible mistake. 0.94

00:54:10.000 When people, when black people get on Bernie Sanders' stage when he's giving a political harangue and they make him say, Black Lives Matter, and they say he better not say, All Lives Matter, good grief, we couldn't get a better advertisement than that. 0.76

00:54:27.000 And of course, the mainstream media will never couch that in the obvious terms that it deserves. 0.83

00:54:36.000 But ordinary Americans see something like that and they say, what's wrong with all lives matter?

00:54:41.000 Why can't you say that?

00:54:43.000 And the kinds of mental gymnastics that lefty professors will go into to say, well, you know, all lives matter is somehow denigrating black lives.

00:54:52.000 And black, we can say black lives matter because throughout American history, black lives haven't mattered.

00:54:57.000 And therefore, you know, all this. 0.67

00:54:58.000 No, that just goes right over the heads of people.

00:55:01.000 People's eyes glaze over.

00:55:03.000 All lives matter.

00:55:04.000 And so I applaud.

00:55:07.000 I just love it when they behave that way.

00:55:09.000 When they tell us that our silence is violence, our silence is violence.

00:55:13.000 Keep saying that, guys.

00:55:14.000 Keep saying that over and over.

00:55:16.000 I just love it when they do that because sensible people can see right through that and they will come to our arms in drones.

00:55:24.000 Yeah, and I think that's a great silver lining for that kind of stuff because you see that every day, the propaganda, whether it's online or on television.

00:55:33.000 And I think the knee jerk reaction for sensible people is, oh, God, you know, really?

00:55:38.000 I mean, are we at that point right now in the country where it's gotten that absurd? 0.74

00:55:42.000 I think it's very easy to say, okay, well, you know, it's clown world, all hope is lost.

00:55:47.000 But I think a much more prudent way to look at it, like you said, is that's doing us a great benefit. 0.78

00:55:52.000 You know, every time you see these, you know, for example, we're in, what is it, LGBTQ History Month or whatever, you know, people look at this kind of thing and we say, oh boy, oh brother, here we go again.

00:56:04.000 But I think that displays like this, they do much more good than harm to our cause. 0.98

00:56:11.000 They're bad for society, but, you know, normal people, I think, look at it and they have the same.

00:56:15.000 Gut reaction that we do, and that's always good.

00:56:18.000 And it looks like we're running out of time here.

00:56:20.000 We're closing on the hour mark.

00:56:22.000 So, do you have any last closing thoughts about the Twitter issue, the free speech?

00:56:27.000 You could maybe plug your website one more time so people can donate to the lawyers to keep that going?

00:56:33.000 Well, yes.

00:56:33.000 As I say, I hate to rattle a tin cup, but this really is an important thing for all of us, I do believe, and it does require money.

00:56:42.000 And you can make donations at amren.com.

00:56:45.000 That's A M R E N. 1.00

00:56:49.000 And of course, we have videos and articles too that we'd love for you to watch and to read. 1.00

00:56:53.000 But our real concern right now is keeping this lawsuit going and keeping the momentum, keeping the pressure on Twitter, make those guys crack.

00:57:02.000 But it's going to take time and it's going to take money.

00:57:05.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on.

00:57:05.000 Great.

00:57:07.000 It's been a pleasure having you and a real honor.

00:57:10.000 It really is a treat.

00:57:11.000 You're doing great work.

00:57:12.000 Everybody loves the work that you're doing.

00:57:14.000 And I really think you inspire a lot of the young people to rise up and get serious about taking back the country.

00:57:20.000 So thanks so much.

00:57:21.000 Well, you're too kind.

00:57:23.000 And thank you very, very much for this invitation.

00:57:25.000 I really enjoyed it.

00:57:26.000 Have a great one.

00:57:26.000 Great.

00:57:27.000 Bye bye.

00:57:28.000 Thank you.

00:57:29.000 All right.

00:57:30.000 Well, there you have it.

00:57:31.000 A great interview with Mr. Taylor.

00:57:35.000 A lot of fun.

00:57:37.000 Let me go in here.

00:57:39.000 And OK, the window's gone, so we're all set.

00:57:42.000 But there you have it.

00:57:43.000 I thought that was a great guest appearance.

00:57:46.000 A lot to think about.

00:57:47.000 A lot to think about.

00:57:48.000 And from somebody who is a real veteran in the movement, I really like him on the show because.

00:57:54.000 He speaks not only with a great education.

00:57:58.000 The guy went to Yale.

00:57:59.000 The guy went to Paris to study economics.

00:58:01.000 I mean, off the charts, brilliant guy, a writer, and all the rest, but he's also got experience.

00:58:07.000 He's lived a life.

00:58:08.000 He's been a part of this for a long time.

00:58:10.000 So I think he's really, you know, if you're talking about people you should listen to about these kinds of matters, he's one of the number one guys out there.

00:58:18.000 You know, people say Nick is young.

00:58:20.000 Nick dropped out of college.

00:58:21.000 You know, I'm kind of the opposite.

00:58:23.000 You know, one year in college, so, you know, I'm almost there, right?

00:58:27.000 One year at BU, so, you know, it's almost there.

00:58:29.000 And young, of course.

00:58:31.000 So it is good to have.

00:58:33.000 The generational communion coming together and discussing, and I think he's the guy to listen to.

00:58:39.000 So, a lot to think about free speech, optics, all the rest.

00:58:42.000 You know, when he started to talk about, oh, you know, infighting should happen in private, not public, I'm like, yeah, definitely, you know, because we know that I'm maybe a little guilty of doing the public infighting, but it was great to have him.

00:58:58.000 I hope you enjoyed that.

00:58:59.000 We're going to take your questions, so don't go anywhere.

00:59:02.000 Don't go anywhere.

00:59:03.000 We're going to take your Streamlabs and your Super Chats right now.

00:59:07.000 And remember to subscribe to the channel.

00:59:09.000 Now would be a good time to plug the subscription.

00:59:12.000 Usually I do it at the end, but I'm sure we got a lot of people hanging out.

00:59:16.000 So let's take a look at our Streamlabs.

00:59:19.000 We'll see what are people saying about the great interview with Jared Taylor about a really wonderful evening here.

00:59:26.000 We've had a great week so far.

00:59:27.000 We had Loomer on Monday, Jared Taylor today.

00:59:31.000 Tomorrow I've got Faith Goldie, and Friday we've got JF.

00:59:35.000 So it's been a big, exciting week.

00:59:37.000 What are people saying?

00:59:38.000 Let's check out the Streamlabs.

00:59:40.000 We've got Keith Walker who says, Loving the show, Nick.

00:59:43.000 Appreciate your man. 1.00

00:59:45.000 Rawhide says, After reading Peter Fonda's tweets, I thought there was no way the boomers could redeem themselves. 0.99

00:59:52.000 But then I remember Jared Taylor exists. 0.93

00:59:54.000 God bless you, sir, and keep up the good fight to save us from evil.

00:59:58.000 Agreed, you know. 1.00

01:00:00.000 I went to American Renaissance very boldly, I think, and called out the boomers. 1.00

01:00:05.000 You know, this was a large audience of boomers. 1.00

01:00:08.000 Jared Taylor's a baby boomer.

01:00:10.000 So then I went.

01:00:11.000 It was really stunning and brave of me.

01:00:12.000 But.

01:00:13.000 He's a credit to his generation.

01:00:15.000 He really is.

01:00:16.000 And there are a lot of others in the movement as well.

01:00:18.000 So, you know, the boomers generally. 1.00

01:00:20.000 And here's the thing, you know, it would be one thing if they wrecked the country and then they just went away, right? 1.00

01:00:26.000 And I'm talking about the majority of boomers, not the good ones. 0.97

01:00:30.000 It would be one thing if they came and they inherited all this wealth and prosperity and peace and they blew it all up, you know, and they wrecked it and then they just went away. 0.99

01:00:40.000 But it's not enough that they did all that.

01:00:42.000 Now they have to come on Twitter.

01:00:44.000 They have to come on Facebook and on the YouTube comments section and yell at me.

01:00:51.000 They got to come on Twitter and say, Oh, you're with their fedora and their summer shirt.

01:00:58.000 And what is their profile picture?

01:00:59.000 It's like a sports team on Twitter.

01:01:01.000 And they're like, Oh, this kid is a twerp.

01:01:04.000 So it wasn't enough that they came, they got all this great stuff, things we would kill for, threw it all away.

01:01:11.000 And then they're going to come online and we're complaining about it, we're trying to cope. 0.70

01:01:17.000 Living in, you know, men among the ruins and all the rest, and they're going to intrude and say, haha, you don't believe in QAnon, you're a liberal, you know. 1.00

01:01:28.000 So that's what really gets me with the boomers wreck my economy, destroy my nation, you know, crush the white gene pool. 1.00

01:01:37.000 But then you're going to go online and antagonize. 1.00

01:01:39.000 That's a bridge too far, it's too much.

01:01:42.000 MK Sorda says, great show, Nick.

01:01:45.000 Already one of the best Jared Taylor interviews.

01:01:47.000 Well, thank you.

01:01:48.000 I appreciate that.

01:01:49.000 I was trying to get some insights that he hasn't talked about much before because, I mean, we know that, you know, Jared Taylor's a very prolific guy.

01:01:57.000 He's on a lot of streams and debates, and he's put out so much work.

01:02:00.000 So, I really try on the interviews to get enough information where people are not too familiar can get filled in, but also some new insights.

01:02:09.000 And I think covering the white pill, I think really embracing this idea that the world is basically our oyster. 0.86

01:02:17.000 We have this duty, we have this obligation. 0.93

01:02:20.000 As long as we carry it out and we understand that maybe there's a chance or maybe there's not, we're doing the right thing.

01:02:26.000 I think that's a really inspirational message to hear from somebody like Mr. Taylor, who's been doing this forever, you know?

01:02:33.000 So.

01:02:34.000 I think that was a good portion. 1.00

01:02:36.000 And then we've got Andrew says, Nick, I'm all for being tough on the border, but what about the thick Latinas? 1.00

01:02:42.000 Can we at least let them in? 1.00

01:02:44.000 No, we will compromise. 1.00

01:02:47.000 We will compromise on Asian GFs, but, you know, thick Latinas, you can have one or the other, all right? 1.00

01:02:55.000 You can't have it always. 0.66

01:02:57.000 If I'm the president, if I'm the king of America, I'm picking Asian GFs, I'm picking anime as opposed to thick Latinas. 0.60

01:03:04.000 You know, look. 0.76

01:03:05.000 We've already got the recipes for the tacos.

01:03:07.000 There's already a lot of admixture in Texas and California.

01:03:11.000 What we really need to import now is the East. 1.00

01:03:17.000 So I know we've got to be tough on the board. 0.99

01:03:18.000 I know people have an appetite for that kind of thing, but if it's about trade offs, I think we have to look at some others.

01:03:25.000 Just my preferences, just my tastes.

01:03:28.000 Let's take a look at the super chats, see what we've got hanging out here.

01:03:33.000 Frederick White says Catholic power.

01:03:36.000 Here we go, right?

01:03:38.000 I almost don't want to read that because the super chats, it always descends into the Hundred Years' War or the Thirty Years' War.

01:03:46.000 Every night in the super chats is the religious wars of the Middle Ages, right?

01:03:52.000 Every time.

01:03:54.000 I do a whole show about immigration or I do a whole show about race or about this. 0.98

01:03:58.000 And then the last 15 minutes, hey, Nick, can you tell me why Protestants suck or something like that? 0.95

01:04:04.000 And then the whole thing goes up. 1.00

01:04:06.000 So I almost don't want to.

01:04:09.000 R.R. Rick says, turn up Jared's volume.

01:04:12.000 It's very low.

01:04:13.000 I think that was earlier because I jacked it up a little bit. 0.99

01:04:16.000 The Bastard says, this is much better than the Irony Bros shit. 0.99

01:04:20.000 No, The Irony Bros content is Kino. 0.99

01:04:24.000 The Irony Bros Alliance is the strongest alliance in the world.

01:04:28.000 So I don't know what you're talking about.

01:04:30.000 We are Irony Bros.

01:04:32.000 We're really all Irony Bros.

01:04:35.000 You know, like when JFK went to Berlin.

01:04:39.000 And he said, I'm a Berliner.

01:04:40.000 I think many people feel that way about the Irony Bros.

01:04:43.000 And during Gamergate, during the Thought Wars, it was like, I am an Irony.

01:04:48.000 We are all deep down Irony Bros.

01:04:51.000 It's something that transcends even race, I think, in many ways.

01:04:56.000 So, but some people say, though, that you have to be white to be an Irony Bros.

01:05:00.000 That would be totally racist, but, you know, I guess that's the rule.

01:05:03.000 So, the Irony Bros alliance is very strong.

01:05:06.000 It's still Kino.

01:05:07.000 We like Jared Taylor.

01:05:08.000 Maybe it's a little better, but we also like the Irony Bros.

01:05:11.000 Jose Antonio says, Welcome back, big guy.

01:05:15.000 Hey, thanks, big guy.

01:05:17.000 Joshua Larson says, Some more dollary dues for you, fella work.

01:05:22.000 You should have Pepperay JF back on the show soon.

01:05:26.000 You guys are so great together.

01:05:28.000 Take it easy, Kimo Sabi.

01:05:30.000 I don't know what's going on in that one.

01:05:33.000 But yeah, no, JF will be on Friday to discuss, and it should be a good show.

01:05:39.000 I have a feeling Patrick Little will inevitably be addressed.

01:05:43.000 Maybe not.

01:05:44.000 Maybe we're.

01:05:45.000 Put that to bed.

01:05:46.000 You know, my first sense of things is, I was just, you know, but maybe we'll put that to bed, right?

01:05:46.000 Maybe not.

01:05:51.000 But it should be a fun show.

01:05:53.000 Me and JF have great chemistry.

01:05:55.000 Him, the supervillain, the French mad scientist, and me, the Catholic young guy who's American and loves America.

01:06:08.000 It's a pretty good rapport that we've got going.

01:06:11.000 So he's been on the show before.

01:06:12.000 We're good friends, even though we are competitors at the moment, ruthless competitors.

01:06:18.000 But yeah, but he'll be stopping by on Friday, and it should be a fun time. 1.00

01:06:22.000 Michael Jones says, I'm an American, and you're a sick asshole. 1.00

01:06:27.000 Sums up the infighting and optics debate perfectly. 1.00

01:06:30.000 Great show tonight, big guy.

01:06:31.000 Thank you.

01:06:32.000 Well, yeah, I mean, that's.

01:06:33.000 You see, I watched the movie Falling Down with Michael Douglas, which, if you don't know, the movie's about a guy who goes on a rampage.

01:06:43.000 And this is very.

01:06:44.000 It really spoke to me because I was reading the synopsis of it, actually, in a book by Sam Huntington, surprisingly.

01:06:51.000 And it resonated with me so much because here was a guy who.

01:06:54.000 The movie starts out.

01:06:55.000 He's in traffic.

01:06:56.000 It's really hot.

01:06:57.000 Air conditioner's broke.

01:06:59.000 There's a fly buzzing around.

01:07:01.000 So he says, You know what?

01:07:02.000 I've had enough. 0.98

01:07:03.000 Gets out of the car, he wrecks a convenience store, he beats the crap out of a gang member. 0.94

01:07:09.000 I was going to say something else.

01:07:10.000 And he just goes postal, basically.

01:07:13.000 And I relate to that because these minor inconveniences caused me to commit acts of violence against technology, which I will never apologize for.

01:07:22.000 Technology should be afraid of mankind. 0.66

01:07:26.000 But the moment that really spoke to me in the movie was at one point Michael Douglas goes into a store, it's a biker store. 0.72

01:07:34.000 And there's like a neo Nazi working there. 0.60

01:07:37.000 And the neo Nazi's been following this guy's escapades.

01:07:40.000 He's fighting the man, he's fighting the system.

01:07:42.000 And this guy goes, You and me, we're the same.

01:07:46.000 I see what you've been up to. 1.00

01:07:47.000 And Michael Douglas goes, No, I'm an American, and you're a sick asshole. 1.00

01:07:51.000 And I was like, You know, I can relate to that because you have so many people that try and claim ownership where, you know, they got the SS tattoo on the back of the neck, they're waving the Nazi flag. 1.00

01:08:03.000 They're probably part of the federal government, if you want to be completely honest.

01:08:07.000 And they're like, yeah, you're on my team.

01:08:09.000 And it's like, no, no, no, not really.

01:08:12.000 You know, we could talk about some issues with that without going all the way there.

01:08:15.000 So it's optical, right?

01:08:18.000 We'll see.

01:08:19.000 Do we have any more Streamlabs?

01:08:22.000 It looks like we've got a couple more here.

01:08:26.000 Literally shaking says, nice face when Mr. Taylor said he doesn't like public counter signaling.

01:08:31.000 Epic.

01:08:32.000 Completely vindicated on the whole. 0.99

01:08:34.000 Trump can't win on my family's crap no matter what he does. 0.98

01:08:38.000 Hope you had a great World Refugee Day. 1.00

01:08:40.000 Clean your candy wrappers, bucko. 1.00

01:08:42.000 Well, that's a lot to take in there.

01:08:45.000 I'm a little guilty of the public infighting.

01:08:49.000 I try so hard not to do it.

01:08:52.000 It's part of my nature.

01:08:54.000 I've got that Aztec blood. 0.96

01:08:56.000 So, you know, literally bubbling, coursing through my veins are red and white blood cells that are saying, sacrifice, sacrifice, praise the sun gods, cut the hearts out. 0.97

01:09:08.000 I mean, that's 15% of the blood.

01:09:10.000 Just crying that out always. 1.00

01:09:13.000 And so you've got the Aztec blood. 1.00

01:09:14.000 At the same time, I'm a young guy, so I've got testosterone pumping through my veins.

01:09:19.000 I drink filtered water, so there's zero estrogen in my body.

01:09:23.000 It's all testosterone.

01:09:25.000 I'm in the gym throwing weights around, getting juiced and jacked.

01:09:29.000 And so when people tell me you got to reel it in, you can't fight, I struggle so much to try and reel it in.

01:09:36.000 But I am limited to an extent by my biology, which is naturally drawn towards.

01:09:44.000 Conflict, confrontation, yelling and fighting, and not physical fighting because, you know, there's a lot to protect here.

01:09:52.000 You know, I've noticed I've never been challenged to a fight by a good looking person because, you know, then you have something to lose, right?

01:09:59.000 So it's always the confrontation.

01:10:01.000 I like to debate.

01:10:02.000 I like to fight.

01:10:03.000 I like to, and, you know, not for nothing, but I like to fight in a friendly way.

01:10:08.000 Even with Patrick Little, like, I didn't really even get mad at him.

01:10:11.000 I wasn't like, I don't, like, you're ruining everything and I don't like you.

01:10:17.000 I was almost just saying, like, dude, come on.

01:10:20.000 You know, you're making us look bad.

01:10:21.000 This is kind of a mess here.

01:10:23.000 And then it got very personal and ugly.

01:10:26.000 And so I don't take it to heart.

01:10:28.000 I'm not usually that kind of a personal kind of a person.

01:10:32.000 But I have been trying to limit the confrontations.

01:10:35.000 But, you know, when you have these things that are going on, it's hard.

01:10:39.000 And also with my nature going on.

01:10:42.000 So there you have it.

01:10:44.000 It is what it is.

01:10:45.000 I have to be me.

01:10:46.000 You know, I have to do me.

01:10:49.000 Right.

01:10:50.000 And Rawhide says, Who's the best girl, Ray, Asuka, or Misato?

01:10:56.000 You know, typically they say it's Asuka or Ray.

01:10:58.000 Sometimes they throw in Misato.

01:11:00.000 Of course, this is Neon Genesis Evangelion.

01:11:04.000 If it's just Asuka and Ray, I say Ray.

01:11:07.000 If Misato is thrown in, I also say Ray.

01:11:10.000 Because, you know, Misato, what is she like, 30?

01:11:12.000 And she kissed Shinji?

01:11:15.000 That's a little bit, that makes me a little bit uncomfortable.

01:11:15.000 I'm sorry.

01:11:17.000 Okay.

01:11:18.000 We are Catholic on the show.

01:11:20.000 So.

01:11:21.000 You know, really, at the end of the day, I have to go with who is the angel that came towards the end?

01:11:27.000 Who is the one in the third rebuild of Evangelion movie?

01:11:30.000 I have to go with what's his name?

01:11:34.000 I forget, but I think you know what I'm talking about, the Evangelion fans.

01:11:37.000 So I know it's an unpopular take, but that was the only person that really cared about Shinji in the show.

01:11:46.000 And let's see, we'll check back on the super chats.

01:11:50.000 Looks like we're all set.

01:11:52.000 Looks like we're all good.

01:11:52.000 We were up against some pretty stiff competition tonight with the Trump rally, but it was a great show.

01:11:58.000 Glad everybody came out for it.

01:12:00.000 I think we're going to call it a night.

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01:12:06.000 You know what, actually, hold on right there.

01:12:09.000 I've got something to show you.

01:12:11.000 I should have had this set up before the show, but I've been so busy today with premium content and pre recorded content, and it's been a lot, you know, manually putting in premium memberships and all that.

01:12:22.000 So I didn't really have time to set this up, but I do want to show you.

01:12:25.000 This was.

01:12:27.000 This was commissioned by a great friend of mine and a fan.

01:12:30.000 Really, you know, somebody who supports me more than friends I have in real life.

01:12:35.000 So, a very solid guy.

01:12:37.000 And let me pull it up.

01:12:38.000 I think some people know what I'm talking about.

01:12:40.000 I'm going to play this really quickly here.

01:12:45.000 It'll take one sec to load up.

01:12:48.000 So, let me put this on the screen here.

01:12:50.000 It's really something special.

01:12:52.000 I think you're really going to enjoy it.

01:12:53.000 A little advertisement that was commissioned by a fan of the show.

01:12:58.000 And let me see if I can grab this.

01:13:01.000 There it is.

01:13:02.000 Okay.

01:13:03.000 So watch this.

01:13:03.000 Okay.

01:13:04.000 This is the fan who made this.

01:13:04.000 Watch this.

01:13:07.000 Very good optics.

01:13:08.000 I'll play it for you right now here.

01:13:09.000 This is a little ad.

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01:13:40.000 Nick has great optics and is truly among the best in the business.

01:13:45.000 See, isn't that, wasn't that worth it, right?

01:13:47.000 Isn't that epic?

01:13:48.000 I'm going to start playing that on the shows now.

01:13:50.000 I'm going to have to get the MP4 of it and put it before the show, after the show, in the middle of the show.

01:13:55.000 I mean, that's what I call.

01:13:57.000 Now, that's what I call good optics, right?

01:14:00.000 Look at, can you beat these optics?

01:14:01.000 You know, typically we are against e-thoughtery.

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01:14:07.000 These ladies don't strike me as thoughts, and even if they do, You know, they're working for the man. 1.00

01:14:12.000 They're working in an advertising potential. 0.99

01:14:15.000 They're not trying to, oh, I'm the leader of a movement.

01:14:18.000 I can write about politics.

01:14:20.000 They're advertising the show.

01:14:21.000 They're doing a great job.

01:14:23.000 They're well spoken.

01:14:24.000 They're charming.

01:14:24.000 They're using my lingo.

01:14:26.000 This is good optics, folks.

01:14:27.000 So thank you to my man, American Nationalist.

01:14:31.000 He has a couple of accounts, he goes by many names.

01:14:33.000 But much appreciated on that.

01:14:36.000 I'm going to have to throw that into the shows.

01:14:38.000 But anyway, I just wanted to show that to you guys before we headed out.

01:14:43.000 It's too good.

01:14:44.000 Too good to pass up here.

01:14:46.000 But with that little commercial out of the way, we're going to have to send it off.

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01:17:12.000 Thank you to Jared Taylor for coming on the show, taking time out of his day.

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - June 20, 2018

The Case Against Twitter feat. Jared Taylor | America First Ep. 184

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