00:00:47.000So I figure we'll do the call in shows regularly now in place of the Friday super chat kind of thing or live chat thing that we do typically.
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00:01:44.000We're going to start taking your calls, but just very briefly, we've been watching the news and some exciting things tonight.
00:01:50.000The Senate will vote at 9 o'clock Central Time tonight.
00:01:54.000They will hold a session, a showdown vote on the continuing resolution that was passed by the House of Representatives last night, and it looks like it's going to pass.
00:02:06.000Recent polling has showed that actually the majority of people blame the Democrats for the shutdown.
00:02:11.000I think it's something like 57% of Democrats are in favor of the shutdown, so even Democrats aren't wild about it.
00:02:17.000And just if you've been following that on the show, just some updates on that.
00:02:31.000We have also some rumors about the documents that were given to Congress on Monday from the Office of the Inspector General, which, if you recall, I predicted on Friday would be a major bombshell.
00:02:44.000Now, there were rumors that there was going to be a happening today.
00:02:47.000There were rumors that the Democrat deep state was coming down today.
00:02:50.000It looks like those kinds of things were overblown.
00:02:52.000However, not to undersell the much broader story, which is these documents, these memos, which appear to be pretty damning from the Inspector General report.
00:03:02.000And that will come out in March or April.
00:03:06.000And so we'll be keeping an eye on that.
00:03:07.000But with that out of the way, I got to laugh, and I also have to laugh.
00:03:10.000I know we talked about this the other night, but I really got to hand it to these guys.
00:03:15.000Who I start my live stream like 10 minutes early, and it's just music playing.
00:03:19.000It's just music in the opening screen, and within like five minutes, 15, 20 dislikes.
00:03:27.000But all of a sudden, you have these conscientious objectors who pour into the show, who pile into the show before it starts to dislike, to show their dissatisfaction.
00:03:38.000And no, bless their hearts, really bless their hearts.
00:03:41.000I think they're noble and they think they're making a real effort, they really think they're doing something.
00:03:47.000You know, I don't like all the drama Nick's causing.
00:03:50.000I'm gonna go in before the stream starts and I'm gonna press the dislike button and that'll show up.
00:03:55.000You know, and somebody comments the other day, uh, Nick, I'm one of the 40 dislikes and I wasn't sent here as a shill.
00:04:02.000Look, if the drama is too much, if it's too hot to handle for you, if you are not okay with me standing up for conservative, traditionalist values, if me being attacked by thoughts, homosexuals, atheists, fourth generation Holocaust survivors, if that's too much for you, maybe the show's just not for you.
00:04:33.000Like I said on Twitter earlier today, it's not the podcast jerk off club where we get in the cool network of podcast hosts and we talk about the same stuff autistically every day, every week, and pretty inconsistently at that with some of these people.
00:05:34.000I mean, they're always talking about it in James's Discord, so it's pretty fun.
00:05:40.000But I'll post that up in the live chat.
00:05:42.000And then with that, we will get into the premium call in show voice channel.
00:05:47.000I'm going to open it up right now to two users.
00:05:51.000And I believe, I believe with the settings intact, this will allow me to have somebody come on and they can jump in and you'll be able to hear them.
00:07:19.000Number one, the reason there was a Catboy channel in the first place is because I was hacked.
00:07:24.000And I was not aware that there was a Catboy channel until I regained control of my account.
00:07:30.000You know, whenever you see, if you ever see something from me that's like a little bit off color, anything about Catboys, traps, I was hacked.
00:07:38.000I simply was hacked, and I'm not responsible for it.
00:07:41.000So once I was apprised of the situation, I got rid of it.
00:07:44.000But I hope that answers your question.
00:12:27.000And really, this is a question that gets at the core of the difference between left and right.
00:12:33.000This is a kind of question that is really watershed, I think, for a lot of people.
00:12:37.000Because if you take the left wing morality, if you take the left wing worldview and paradigm, which is constructivist, which is relativist, in the absence of God, in the absence of hierarchy and authority, something like pedophilia, which we all know is depraved, is sick, which we all condemn, which we know intuitively, but also God tells us this.
00:12:59.000The left, because they are relativist, because they are subjectivist and constructivist, there is no objective right and wrong for the left.
00:13:06.000If you don't believe in God, all authority comes from men.
00:13:09.000And if all authority comes from men, all authority is relative.
00:13:13.000You know, we might believe that pedophilia is wrong in the liberal frame.
00:13:18.000If you're a left wing person, you may believe that pedophilia is wrong.
00:13:22.000But under atheism, under the left wing political theory, objectively, they cannot come up with an argument for why it's wrong.
00:13:32.000That's why these sick bastards go out and support it.
00:13:35.000Because, objectively speaking, in the absence of a divine authority, some authority outside of our species, outside of man, it's all relative.
00:13:46.000So, while they might view the prohibition on that as a social construct, they might view the prohibition on that behavior as relative.
00:14:11.000I know that's not like Democrats are the real sickos, but I mean, really, this gets at the heart of the sick and depraved pathology of these people that they cannot prohibit it because there is nothing about their worldview that would give them the authority to.
00:14:28.000I also think it's a, to some extent, an outgrowth of their ideology, which is trying to, you know, sexually or it's promoting all this sexual degeneracy.
00:14:37.000And they think that even kids should be subjected to that sort of thing because it's empowering.
00:14:43.000I mean, they are hedonists, they are degenerates, and their view of youth, I think, is fundamentally different.
00:14:51.000I think we understand that youth and innocence and purity is something to be protected, and I think that comes with being a traditionalist.
00:14:59.000I think that also comes with being religious.
00:15:01.000The left, I don't think they have it that way.
00:15:03.000I think they see the youth in a very utilitarian way, you know, which is, you know, I think you're right about that.
00:15:12.000It's a before I get off, it's that sort of left wing, you know, adults are very infantilized and they've also gone about making their kids very, you know, mature.
00:15:22.000They've sort of introduced them to sexuality.
00:15:25.000So the line sort of gets blurred there.
00:16:19.000That is something that is going to cause a lot of trouble because, of course, Kurdistan is, and the caller is referring to, Turkey, who went out and attacked, I believe it was, it's the YPG, is that correct?
00:16:33.000Which, if you understand the history, the Kurds are the largest ethnic group in the world without a state.
00:16:39.000And I say that with a grin because, of course, we know the real largest racial or ethnic group without a state is white people.
00:16:44.000But, you know, the Kurds, technically, by like UN classification, are the largest ethnic group without their own state.
00:16:51.000And there are Kurds in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Azerbaijan.
00:16:56.000And they've been really oppressed in all these countries for the longest time as.
00:17:00.000As having a very strong group identity, very different from the Arabs and from other groups.
00:17:06.000They have been sort of subject to discrimination and abuse by the state.
00:17:10.000And this has been the case, obviously, in Turkey, in Iraq under Saddam Hussein.
00:17:14.000And so they are just one piece of this very complicated Syrian civil war puzzle, where in the absence of the sovereignty of Bashar al Assad, the central government in Damascus in the Syrian civil war, you had all these kinds of different groups break off Sunni extremist groups, other extremist groups.
00:17:32.000And of course, the Kurds in the north saw an opportunity with so much disarray and chaos in the Middle East to stake out a claim.
00:17:39.000And this was kind of problematic, I believe, a month ago when the Iraqi army came into contact with the Kurds and where they had liberated territory from ISIS.
00:17:48.000And Iraqi Kurdistan was thinking about declaring independence.
00:17:51.000And so this has become a problem now where you've seen major Kurdish terrorist attacks in Turkey and the Kurds are asserting their authority.
00:17:59.000They have kind of this momentum from what they've done in Syria.
00:18:05.000The United States position for the neocons has been that we should defer to the Kurds because they're like natural ally, you know, like Israel, and Israel supports it.
00:18:13.000I tend to believe that the Kurds are very problematic in terms of if you look at their potential to destabilize the Middle East, if there is, and they're, you know, with the last referendum for Kurdish statehood, it didn't go very well.
00:18:27.000But if there ever was a significant Kurdish uprising or resistance, or if they really were serious about staking a claim, I mean, that would overturn the order in such a drastic way.
00:18:39.000I think anybody that's serious about America's interests in the Middle East understands that our predominant interest is stability, it's order, it's maintaining American hegemony the way it was, and maybe kind of maneuvering so that this can be sustainable in the future.
00:18:57.000And so, if you understand all of that, I believe that we cannot be supporting these Kurds.
00:19:02.000We gave them the material support to fight off ISIS, and many people didn't like that, that we gave arms to them, even though it was much more stringent than under Obama.
00:19:32.000I think if you view this in the context of Russia's dynamic with Turkey and Syria as of late, I mean, it's very interesting the way that.
00:19:40.000Because just two years ago, and I think people forget about this, but Turkey shot a Russian plane out of the sky.
00:19:47.000I believe it was in 2015, and people were very concerned about this because, of course, Turkey is a NATO ally, and if they invoke Article 5, we're all kind of not in a good position.
00:19:57.000But Russia has been, in a very strong way, aligning themselves with Turkey, aligning themselves with some of these other more Eurasian powers and Asiatic powers.
00:20:07.000And so I think this absolutely creates a window for Russia because Russia, given the Syrian civil war and given the absence of American leadership in the region under Obama, they have inserted themselves as the broker for diplomacy and power.
00:20:21.000In the Middle East, in that war with Iran.
00:20:24.000And, you know, they're attempting to do it even as far as the Pacific.
00:20:27.000So I think it definitely gives them an opportunity.
00:20:29.000I'm not sure what the nature of it would be, whether that would be a more diplomatic or a military capacity.
00:20:34.000But absolutely, instability benefits Russia because the current order favors the United States.
00:20:40.000Instability allows Russia to get in the cracks.
00:20:42.000Yeah, definitely something to think about.
00:21:59.000No, I have not, but that sounds very interesting.
00:22:02.000You know, because I think for a lot of people that like the style of the music, but maybe not so much the content, which can be, you know, offensive and modernist, that sounds very promising.
00:22:14.000It's basically Jesus Walks, but every song.
00:22:20.000Now you're speaking my language because I like that song.
00:22:22.000And, you know, Chance the Rapper, I haven't been so much of a fan because of the left wing kind of stuff.
00:22:28.000The political kind of positions he's taken.
00:22:30.000But when I first discovered him and I started listening to his music and very Christian, very tame, especially the last album, I wasn't wild about it.
00:24:20.000And at my work, there's all these based Filipino women that are telling me about how much they hate Obama and how happy they are about Trump, you know, locking down the borders and they can't wait for the giant, beautiful wall with big doors to be built.
00:24:36.000And I think this is something that a lot of people on our side don't understand at all, which is that if you understand that we must win elections, you know that in 10 years, If we give up on certain demographics in terms of purely electoral politics, we're finished and there's no way forward, right?
00:24:56.000I mean, if you understand that we have to win elections and in 10 years we can't win elections under the current regime, you know, then throw in the towel, then there's no hope.
00:25:04.000However, and this is something I got into on Nationalist Review a couple of weeks ago the brand of economic populism or economic nationalism doesn't quite make sense to us because ideologically we are not economic nationalists.
00:25:17.000We hear economic nationalism, and it's offensive to us because we say our nation is not an economy.
00:25:23.000However, we have to think about it pragmatically.
00:25:26.000If we're going to win elections, we have to think pragmatically.
00:25:29.000We're not trying to be the great crusaders.
00:25:33.000And, you know, we could be right all day long.
00:25:35.000We could come out with our podcasts and our magazines, and we could do our marches.
00:25:38.000And that doesn't mean a lick if we don't have representatives, if we don't have somebody in the White House or in the courts.
00:25:44.000And so, if you entertain the idea of economic nationalism, the Trumpian kind of dogma that's been invented, this new Right wing in America, and we were to merge it maybe with some kind of a Labor Party message, you would secure an implicitly white party for a very long time.
00:26:03.000And you're right, there's a lot of potential because the people that come over here are traditionalists, probably more traditionalists than the people here.
00:26:10.000I mean, you look at the white liberals in Minnesota, the white liberals in Vermont, or the white liberals in Connecticut, Rhode Island.
00:26:16.000These people are pro abortion, they're pro gay marriage, they're atheist.
00:26:20.000The people coming across the border are Catholic.
00:26:23.000Homosexuals, they're not wild about them.
00:28:24.000And never forget who the real enemy is.
00:28:27.000Never lose sight of who the real enemy is.
00:28:29.000If you think this is cucking, if you think that Nick is a civ gnat now, nothing close to it, folks, believe me.
00:28:35.000But we must never forget who the real enemy is.
00:28:38.000It's not the people that are brought here, people who are simply looking, you know, for Gibbs.
00:28:42.000Even if they're looking for Gibbs, they're doing it out of self interest.
00:28:46.000Objectively, there's nothing totally wrong with that.
00:28:48.000The problem is the people that bring them here.
00:28:51.000If you're in Mexico living in squalor and there's a country right up north where you can get free stuff and it's clean and you won't get shot and there's no drug dealers and whatever, you're going to go and do it.
00:29:59.000Well, my question is Do you think that the current movement of the alt right now has wasted its potential as well as its speed that it could have gone and then grew?
00:30:13.000Yeah, no, that's a very valid question.
00:30:15.000I think you mean like momentum, basically.
00:30:23.000I think a lot of people feel this, where what tends to happen, what I've witnessed with these movements, and somebody observed this on Twitter earlier, Is that really since 2015?
00:30:32.000These kinds of fringe movements, whether it's Gamergate, NRX, alt right, Tea Party, you name it, it always fizzles out.
00:30:40.000I think there's too much expectation put on it.
00:32:00.000Compared to like the Lauren Southern right, compared to the conservative review right, the Steven Crowder right, I mean, we're not even close.
00:32:32.000So that's really what I have to say on the matter.
00:32:35.000There has to be another way because this brand since Charlottesville is radioactive, it's toast.
00:32:41.000And, you know, I still am on board with all the ideas.
00:32:44.000Notice the ideas don't change, but we know better than anybody else.
00:32:48.000In some ways, the marketing, the messaging can be more important than the ideas.
00:32:52.000You can have all the right ideas in the world, but if you don't have effective messaging, if you don't have effective organization, you're just another bum.
00:32:58.000You're just another asshole who thinks they know what's going on.
00:33:02.000And you may be right, but again, you need to have a way to bring people in, to bring people into the fold.
00:33:07.000And I think we've really lost our way there.
00:33:09.000So I still believe in the ideas, but the brand, it's toxic right now.
00:33:54.000In the future, moving forward to lay low for a little while, let everything kind of settle down, everything play out because it has been pretty ugly.
00:34:02.000I'll take it easy on the prots, you know, because if they're Protestant and they're doing a good enough job, you know, look, I am a Catholic, so I believe that there's no salvation outside the church.
00:34:11.000But, you know, of course, a devout Protestant who's following it in a similar way to the Catholic Church is preferable to an atheist.
00:34:19.000And I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't say that there's a pragmatic utility in that.
00:35:08.000And you have to understand where it comes from.
00:35:09.000It comes from an antipathy towards relativism in the sense that Sola Scriptura in Protestantism says that, you know, essentially it's a textualist philosophy that whoever interprets the Bible is a Christian.
00:35:22.000And I really don't believe that makes any sense at all, frankly.
00:35:32.000We can never accept it into the bank of wisdom.
00:35:35.000But we have another caller here in the premium, a man by the name of Simon Skola, a longtime supporter of the show, and we're happy to have him on finally.
00:35:43.000I think we had him on in the last one, the last call of the show.
00:39:01.000I mean, you guys, I'm sorry, the people on the weekly sweat, they're people that make jokes, you know, and they don't take themselves seriously, and they're being compared to people who claim to be serious leaders of a political movement.
00:40:11.000And I, well, I actually didn't want to come on just for a split second to talk about Mike Enoch totally owning you last night on Twitter.
00:40:21.000You know, that was, that was really brutal what he said to you about how, you know, that you were taking things out of context.
00:40:30.000You were, you were just going off the rails.
00:40:34.000And I just kind of wanted to disavow you live on stream on your own show for, you know, basically saying what Richard Spencer said himself.
00:41:44.000But we're joined back in the premium chat by a good friend of the show, Simon Sasquatch, who helped me build the America First supercomputer.
00:41:51.000So we're very appreciative to have him on.
00:42:08.000I had a question about the future of the alt-right.
00:42:11.000I know this was asked earlier, and you had some great answers to that, but I'm seeing sort of like a schism arising.
00:42:16.000And I've seen this in personal TRS pool parties that I've been a part of and other groups all around the movement.
00:42:22.000And I'm hearing reports of it, and that there's kind of a schism happening between those who are kind of what you described as the racist liberals and those who are more on the materialist side and those who are the more traditionalists, the more Christians.
00:42:35.000And how do you see us going forward to kind of either reconcile that or break off?
00:43:02.000The biology, the genetics, and that's why you have so many liberals in the alt right, so many feminists in the alt right, so many of these people who, like Tara McCarthy, she's a feminist in a traditionalist movement, and that's because it's purely materialistic, you know?
00:43:18.000Spencer's not a very strong traditionalist or religious, for that matter.
00:43:22.000And so it's one of these things where I don't think there will be reconciliation.
00:43:26.000I think there will be a very ugly divorce, a very ugly fracture.
00:43:30.000And, you know, it doesn't help the fact that there are these people who autistically think that a split would necessarily be a bad thing, when in fact we share completely different values and completely different goals and visions for the future.
00:43:43.000People who say any infighting, any division is not a good thing.
00:43:48.000I think to try and keep this coalition together with all of these internal differences, it's kind of ironic, right?
00:43:56.000Homogeneity and things are more in harmony and more stable when things are more homogeneous or homogeneous rather, not homogeneous, homogeneous.
00:44:06.000And they want this big tent movement of people that have these diametrically different worldviews, and they think that this can go on for a long time.
00:46:55.000You know, but we have this weird thing in the alt right, this like uptight butthurt where every disagreement, every joke, every post is starting infighting, it's starting drama.
00:47:07.000And look, if it's a hair trigger like that, if everybody's so goddamn sensitive, and that's the one you can't say.
00:47:16.000But to not take yourself so seriously, it's going to destroy the movement.
00:47:24.000A movement that was built on shitposting, a movement that was made on jokes, on ridicule.
00:47:29.000I mean, it says a lot that we talk all the time about how the government and the system can't handle ridicule because it'll betray the truth of how ridiculous the system is.
00:47:37.000That our own movement can't handle the ridicule, that it's so rigid.
00:47:42.000I can't tell you how many times I've made a post, completely uncontroversial, lighthearted joke, and I get a phone call from somebody saying, You need to reel it in.
00:48:17.000If there are up and coming elements, if there's dissatisfaction, if there's disagreements, mediate them.
00:48:22.000You know, and sometimes it's the drama, it's good content, it's fun, it doesn't have to be the end of the world.
00:48:28.000If Tara McCarthy called me on the phone, I would say, Hey, Tara, what's going on?
00:48:32.000And if she said, Nick, you're an asshole, you're this and that and the other, I'd say, Well, why do you think that, Tara?
00:48:37.000And I'm certain we could resolve it in an hour.
00:48:40.000If anybody else called me on the phone and they didn't start autistically calling me all kinds of names like other people, we could have these things hammered out in an hour and finish them despite all the drama.
00:48:51.000I could have people on the show, we could have vicious, heated debates, and then we could say, You know what?
00:52:22.000I mean, do you agree with this general sentiment, the premise so far of the show that the humorlessness, the joylessness, I mean, that's a problem, right?
00:56:35.000I was just wondering, well, because if you have more RAM, that'll mean that, like, because one of the problems with having a lot less RAM is you can run less applications.
00:56:44.000So, right now, one of The problem that happened with your show was most likely you didn't have enough RAM, so the application just crashed that was doing that.
00:56:55.000Well, thanks for the technical advice.
00:56:58.000Hopefully, it all goes well with the supercomputer.
00:57:02.000I'll have to have somebody walk me through putting it together because I'm not with the technological stuff with the circuit boards and the wires and things.
00:58:04.000I mean, this is something I've always believed that I think there's something that we really need to rekindle in terms of American cultural identity the culture of marksmanship.
00:58:14.000I think it's something that's been hugely important in our symbolism and our history and the stories we tell.
00:58:20.000And it's informed a lot of decisions we've made actually militarily, sometimes to our detriment, but.
00:58:30.000I mean, I think there's a lot about American culture that needs to be recaptured because it's the marksmanship and firearms in general is symbolic of self reliance, of republicanism, of self ownership.
00:58:42.000You know, you think of the homestead, you think of the frontier when you think of, you know, why we were able to have firearms because it was a frontier country.
00:59:47.000I think a very successful first run of the call in show.
00:59:50.000And let me know what you think in the comments if there were audio issues, if I have to, you know, sometimes I have to adjust it and how this worked generally.
00:59:59.000Let me know if premium members didn't get a chance to call in.
01:00:02.000I'll see if I could work around with the Discord.
01:01:30.000I think certain people get to a position here, they get comfortable, they get to rub shoulders, they get a taste, basically, of the e celebrity or the good life or whatever, and they forget why they came here in the first place.
01:01:41.000And I've never been ambiguous as to what I stand for.
01:02:05.000If you want to be a part of the next call in show, not next Friday, but the Friday after, if you want priority, remember you can become an Am First Media, or excuse me, an America First Premium member.
01:02:25.000In terms of the call-in shows, you get a special role on the Discord, and you get access to private audio-only format of the show, the podcast format for people that like it.
01:02:35.000And the only reason I charge is because you have to pay for the hosting for that.
01:02:39.000But that's going to do it for us here tonight.
01:02:41.000Thanks for everybody who supported me this week, who've kept by the show through thick and through thin.
01:02:46.000It's been a trying week, but we'll get out of it.
01:02:49.000That's what builds great men: is trial.
01:03:25.000Omar Navarro, who's running for Congress in California, he posted this tweet where he said, Take the Patriot challenge and donate $17.76 to my campaign.
01:03:37.000And I'm thinking, that's not a challenge.