00:00:12.000My friend Styx Hexenhammer is joining us in about a half hour for a great discussion about politics, the news of the day, his bid for governorship.
00:00:50.000I got to tell you, I'm having a bit of a rough day, haven't slept.
00:00:54.000The technology is giving me all kinds of problems.
00:00:57.000Last night, as you know, we did our great Kanye West episode, and immediately after it ends, they slap on some kind of a copyright restriction.
00:01:07.000So the video's blocked for like seven hours.
00:02:10.000We're back to a normal episode today, we're back to normal news, current events.
00:02:16.000You know, yesterday we had to hang out a little bit in a weird place.
00:02:19.000We had to hang out and talk about the Dharmic, what was it?
00:02:24.000I don't even remember what it's called, yoga and Shanti and all of that, some very esoteric Eastern philosophy.
00:02:31.000So we had to get into that yesterday with Kanye West, some spiritual, some immaterial content.
00:02:38.000But we're back to it today, the regular stuff.
00:02:40.000We're talking about Mike Pompeo, who was confirmed as Secretary of State this afternoon.
00:02:45.000We're talking about the North Korea Summit, which is happening.
00:02:49.000As we speak right now between North and South Korea.
00:02:53.000And also, before we get into the big news, I got to say, this story just keeps getting better.
00:02:59.000This other story that's been, I guess, progressing over the past couple of months.
00:03:03.000It comes out today because Diamond and Silk, these are two black women who are media personalities.
00:03:11.000They were big during the election, very pro Trump.
00:03:14.000I think they opened for him at a rally or two.
00:03:17.000And so they're big on Facebook, they're big on YouTube.
00:03:20.000And they're right now in some kind of congressional testimony because Facebook took them down for some reason.
00:03:27.000They alleged, I don't know, some phony like hate crime allegation or hate speech allegation.
00:03:33.000I haven't been following it too closely, but because they're giving some kind of a congressional testimony about Facebook, some records came to light recently about funds they've received from candidates, from candidates running for office.
00:03:47.000And I have to laugh because it just keeps getting better and better and better.
00:03:51.000I promise I won't spend too much time because.
00:03:54.000How much time should we be spending on this?
00:04:16.000And I have to laugh because, you know, how long on Gab have we had the most aggressive white nationalists on Gab saying nasty stuff, posting rude memes?
00:04:28.000They dox Ricky Vaughn, they do all this crazy stuff.
00:04:32.000And you know, look, white nationalism, call it whatever you want nationalism, ethnic nationalism.
00:04:36.000We're a little bit crooked here today.
00:04:39.000There's like some bubbles here on the thing.
00:04:41.000Whatever you want to call it, some very extreme rhetoric on Gab over the top.
00:04:46.000Towards the end, before he got banned from Gab, Paul Nealon positioned himself as, you know, il duce.
00:04:54.000He's the new leader of the white revolution in America, right?
00:05:02.000You know, Commander Cantwell's right behind him as well, with all the left side of the bell curve people.
00:05:08.000And we find out after, you know, months and months of this that no less than, what, $50,000 has gone to Diamond and Silk, the based black conservatives, his Hispanic wife, and the Jewish campaign manager.
00:05:25.000And not like there's anything wrong with that, but, you know, you understand his message is, well, it's a very extreme.
00:05:35.000And his followers have a very specific idea of him and about different groups of people.
00:05:40.000And it's just wild to me, wild to me what these people would think if they weren't deluding themselves that all the money they've been handing over, and by the way, all of that money, you can track that using a Freedom of Information Act request, or just by looking into campaign records.
00:05:55.000If you've given up to a certain amount of money, you can get doxxed for that.
00:05:59.000But all these people, all these extremists, you know, Hill, Neil, and Neil, and whatever, you know, handing over their money.
00:06:06.000And it's getting rerouted to people like that.
00:06:11.000But don't want to spend too much time on that.
00:06:13.000The big story of the day is Mike Pompeo, who got confirmed as Secretary of State.
00:06:19.000And this was actually after a pretty lengthy confirmation process.
00:06:23.000It's been jammed up in Congress forever.
00:06:27.000And I think the statistic they've been putting out, the White House has been putting out, is that if the Congress were to spend the same amount of time as they have been, the average amount of time that they have been, On the rest of Donald Trump's political appointees, which are cabinet positions, other bureaucratic positions, it would take nine years to fill all those positions because of how long it takes.
00:06:51.000So, Mike Pompeo, he got tapped to be the new Secretary of State weeks and weeks and weeks ago, but because the Democrats are obstructing the process in the Senate and the Congress, they've been having a lot of difficulty getting him through.
00:07:54.000But Heidi Heidkamp from North Dakota, she is up for reelection.
00:07:58.000She's a Democrat in North Dakota, which is obviously a solid red state, very conservative.
00:08:04.000It's in that Northwest part of the country where it just goes almost completely red for the past 25, 30 years or so.
00:08:12.000And actually, there are some discrepancies there with the Senate, which we talked about in the 2018 Election HQ podcast last week.
00:08:20.000We did a whole show about Heidi Heidkamp in North Dakota.
00:08:23.000Today, we did another show which is up about Montana, but this is beside the point.
00:08:28.000It's interesting to note that these Democrats, these very conservative Democrats in very conservative states, broke from the party lines to vote for Donald Trump's appointee.
00:08:40.000I think this is a very good sign because as you're seeing us get closer to the 2018 election, and people talk about the blue wave, the blue wave, it's coming.
00:08:50.000You know, the Democrats are going to take over the Congress and maybe they have a shot at the Senate, who knows?
00:08:55.000And look at the polling and Trump's approval and all the rest.
00:08:58.000As we get closer, it looks like Democratic senators are becoming more cooperative with.
00:09:03.000I think that actually spells trouble for a lot of them.
00:09:05.000I think that signals maybe an opening window of opportunity here to pass through legislation.
00:09:11.000If somebody like Heidi Heidkamp knows that in 2018 she's going to have to answer for a vote about immigration or a vote about trade or a vote about infrastructure, and she votes along party lines as opposed to what her constituents would value, which would be much more conservative, I think it's worth asking will we be able to see an opportunity for better legislation to be passed?
00:09:33.000Between now and the election, you'd think it would almost be counterintuitive.
00:09:37.000You'd think it'd be the opposite, that Democrats would take a much harder line.
00:09:40.000But you see that Democrats that are up for election in these deep red conservative states that Trump won in 2016, where they have maybe a conservative governor, a conservative state legislature, I think you'll see a lot of pressure for them to break away from the party ranks.
00:09:55.000And this is something we talked about extensively for the DACA negotiation.
00:10:00.000We talked about this at length that you would have these two polls in the Democratic Party of the left wing ideologues.
00:10:07.000Who say we can never give in to Trump, we're resisting, and we have to be the most extreme, and the pragmatists in the party, particularly the people that are up for re election, who are saying, you know, this is great and all, and we're having a great time being the resistors, but we're not going to have a job in November if we have to answer for this kind of stuff, if we have to answer for, for example, shutting down the government to defend illegal immigrants, as they did in January.
00:10:34.000And so I think this is starting to manifest, and it remains to be seen.
00:10:38.000To what extent that will be a problem for the Democrats, to what extent this will tear them apart.
00:10:43.000But I think there's a lot of potential for Trump to exploit that.
00:10:46.000I think you're already seeing him do that.
00:10:49.000He's already approached Heidkamp in particular and asked her to switch parties two times.
00:10:53.000So I think he understands it pretty intuitively.
00:10:58.000I happen to be reading about the Secretary of State confirmation process, and you see that these very conservative Democrats and conservative states broke with their party ranks to go.
00:11:09.000And confirm Pompeo, which I think is a very good sign.
00:11:12.000But then, of course, you have Mr. Mike Pompeo, who is the former CIA director.
00:11:19.000This was the first real sign that Trump was changing the administration, either to signal or in preparation.
00:11:27.000You know, there's two kind of competing theories here where first you had him get rid of Rex Tillerson and replace him with Pompeo.
00:11:34.000And Pompeo is a very hawkish kind of a guy.
00:11:36.000He's talked in the past about how he thinks we should bomb.
00:11:39.000Iran to get rid of their nuclear program, how we should go to war with North Korea.
00:11:44.000So, very hawkish pick, one that's uncharacteristic for somebody like President Trump.
00:11:49.000And then you had John Bolton in at the U.S. Security Council or the National Security Council for the United States.
00:11:57.000And so Mike Pompeo, we talked about this a while ago.
00:12:00.000He was really that first step in what's going on here.
00:12:04.000Is Trump building a war cabinet because he's going to war?
00:12:07.000Or is Trump building a war cabinet so he could communicate something to North Korea?
00:12:12.000And these are the two competing schools of thought.
00:12:14.000I think a lot of more pessimistic people, people who tend to think that Trump is either compromised, Or easily influenced or dumb, they tend to think that he's building a war cabinet.
00:12:24.000People have gotten to him and he's getting ready to go all out.
00:12:27.000And people like myself, who have a little bit more faith, who trust in the process, we believe that he's putting together Pompeo, Bolton, the one who just took over, CIA director, the woman from Thailand, was it, that she was doing torture in Myanmar or Thailand, I forget, that they're putting together this kind of a cabinet as a signal so that if they're going to make a threat or some kind of a promise to North, Korea about the use of military force,
00:12:54.000it would carry a little bit more weight if there were people who actually believe this kind of hawkish policy stuff.
00:13:01.000So we see Pompeo get in, and I have to say, we look at the picture that came out today of him meeting with Kim Jong Un.
00:13:08.000It was something that was pretty, I have to say, when it came out like a couple of weeks ago, it was Shinzo Abe who was visiting the president, and they were having just kind of a casual meeting, and it came out during a talk with the press.
00:13:22.000That the United States and North Korea were in talks.
00:13:25.000They were communicating at the very highest levels.
00:13:28.000And that just kind of slipped under the radar.
00:13:30.000People said, oh, does that mean Trump met with Kim Jong Un or talked to him?
00:13:35.000And then it came out in a very muted fashion, like 12 hours later.
00:13:39.000Yeah, actually, Mike Pompeo met face to face with Kim Jong Un in North Korea.
00:13:43.000And it was hilarious because it was such a muted announcement.
00:13:46.000It wasn't like a presidential announcement, it just kind of came out, yeah, you know, that also happened.
00:13:52.000And I think people, maybe they didn't really understand the gravity of it until they saw this picture of Pompeo shaking hands with Kim Jong un.
00:13:59.000It just goes to show how far we've come from little rocket man, ICBMs flying over Japan and flying into the ocean, to CIA directors shaking hands with him.
00:14:10.000I also think that tells us something about why we have Pompeo in the first place.
00:14:15.000Doesn't that tell you something that Pompeo was in the CIA?
00:14:18.000The CIA would be dealing with North Korea as opposed to maybe the State Department.
00:14:44.000Because he was aggressive, it sends a different message to send him, and now to have him as Secretary of State.
00:14:50.000I think it's a much more viable explanation after we see a photograph like that, after he becomes confirmed as Secretary of State.
00:14:59.000That it's not a war cabinet, it's probably more likely it's a signal.
00:15:02.000But he becomes Secretary of State at a crucial moment now as we stare down the barrel of the ICBMs in North Korea as we attempt to make some kind of a deal.
00:15:13.000The meeting with Trump and Kim Jong un has been narrowed down to, I think, three different locations and four possible dates that it could happen.
00:15:22.000And they say that'll happen in May or early June.
00:15:25.000It would have to happen in May because not very many days left in April, but late May or early June.
00:15:32.000But today, the big meeting is happening between South Korea and North Korea.
00:15:36.000This is the first time in how many years?
00:15:39.00011 years that there's been a summit between the North and South Korean leaders.
00:15:44.000This is actually the first time that a North Korean leader has gone into South Korea.
00:15:47.000They're holding this summit in one of the peace villages, or what do they call it?
00:15:52.000One of the truce villages along the demilitarized zone, which is actually on the South Korean side.
00:16:08.000It's only happened three times in history.
00:16:09.000This is the third time in history that you've had North and South meeting together.
00:16:14.000And we're going to have to keep a very close eye on what happens.
00:16:16.000We'll be doing the episode of World Report on Tuesday.
00:16:20.000About the outcome of this meeting, and we'll spend a lot of time really going into depth because this meeting and the results of it will set the tone for the meeting between Kim Jong Un and President Trump.
00:16:31.000In other words, we've seen a lot of promises from Kim Jong Un, we've seen a lot of rumors about what could happen, what's maybe in the works.
00:16:40.000North Korea may be committing to denuclearization, they might be preparing a statement about ending the war.
00:16:58.000And then the latest development was that North Korea said they're shutting down one of their nuclear sites.
00:17:04.000And then it was found out this morning that actually the nuclear site that they said we're shutting down because we've accomplished our mission and we want to make peace with the West actually that site was shut down because it collapsed because the mountain that it was built on completely collapsed in on it.
00:17:20.000And actually they're having to monitor for radioactive leakage because it was such a geological catastrophe.
00:17:27.000So It's tough to say where we stand right now until we see what comes out of this negotiation in a very concrete fashion.
00:17:36.000We've seen North Korea make some effort in diplomacy with South Korea because of the Olympics.
00:17:43.000We saw Kim Jong un's sister go down to South Korea for the Olympics, and that was a great thing.
00:17:48.000And you had the meeting announced, but it's all in flux.
00:17:52.000It's all basically in the air until we see what they are actually going to commit to.
00:17:56.000And those are the big things to look out for.
00:18:04.000Are they committed to denuclearization or do they want synchronicity and reciprocity, meaning they want that they get rid of their arsenal in increments and at the same time, in synchronization, the United States is reciprocating by getting rid of sanctions, getting rid of various things?
00:19:32.000We were doing three carrier strike group drills in the Pacific.
00:19:37.000And now here we are five months later, and it's sort of.
00:19:39.000Inexplicable how this happened because it went from big nuclear tests as late as like November 28th, November 27th, to January 1st, Kim Jong un taking the initiative, making this overture to the United States.
00:19:55.000And I think there are two ways to look at that and two ways to look at this meeting.
00:20:00.000Either North Korea is negotiating from a position of strength, they've achieved their nuclear arsenal, they've built an ICBM that can hit the continental United States, they've achieved miniaturization of the warheads, they've successfully developed Nuclear warheads.
00:20:16.000And they've basically decided okay, we have a sufficient capability that now we can exercise some leverage.
00:20:21.000Either that means now we can trade this in for economic benefits, we can stall so we can improve our technology more, we can see how far we can get with this by giving the United States the runaround.
00:20:33.000Either they're negotiating from that position of strength that we've reached a predetermined endpoint and now we're ready to make do with it, or the alternative goes well, and the first theory says, and that's why they made the initiative.
00:20:46.000The alternative theory is that the sanctions are working because China has intervened and they're going really hard, and the United States has gone harder than they ever before.
00:20:55.000Maybe there was some kind of a secret threat that was made militarily, but for some reason we've broken the back of North Korea and they're coming to negotiate with us out of weakness because sanctions are crippling them or they're under the gun of a United States military threat, and now they've basically been forced to make concessions.
00:21:15.000And whether or not, we don't know yet which explanation is true.
00:21:21.000Korea has decided to take the initiative and come to us, depending on which it is, we'll see very different things from North Korea.
00:21:28.000If they make these big demands about synchronicity, about reciprocity, about a grand bargain, that kind of a thing, if they're giving us the runaround, it's probably that they've reached a predetermined endpoint or they're stalling.
00:21:43.000If, however, they're going to give the big concessions they've been talking about and it turns into maybe a very successful thing in a short period of time, It probably means that the sanctions have worked.
00:21:53.000And either way, it's going to have profound implications, of course, on Iran, on other countries we're dealing with.
00:22:00.000We just talked about Iran on Tuesday because the French president was here.
00:22:04.000Merkel, the German chancellor, comes to the United States on Friday.
00:22:08.000And now they're already moving into talks about North Korea's basically calmed down.
00:22:14.000Now, if we have broken the back of North Korea purely with economic means and with threats and with displays of military force, This carries a pretty significant precedent for Iran.
00:22:26.000If we're able to break North Korea with sanctions, presumably we could have some kind of leverage in saying, look, this is what we did to North Korea.
00:22:34.000We broke them with sanctions, we broke them with military threats, and let's just not beat around the bush.
00:22:41.000And that's how we'll contain your nuclear program.
00:22:44.000Or, conversely, if North Korea is negotiating from a position of strength, then Iran gets the idea that, hey, wait a minute, we should maybe try that.
00:22:52.000Even if the United States goes all out.
00:22:55.000With sanctions, with strikes, with drills, they could do everything right up until the brink of war.
00:23:02.000And a country like North Korea, which is poor and starving, could still give them a runaround, can still mess with them.
00:23:09.000Then we could probably do that too, probably do it much more effectively because we're much closer with Russia, much closer with China, much closer with regional countries.
00:23:18.000And that would be a big problem for the United States.
00:23:20.000We would have to really demonstrate credibility if that were the case.
00:23:25.000And this gets to the fundamental point of the Trump doctrine, which is you make A few displays of military force, you do these kinds of sanctions, and you set a precedent.
00:23:34.000And it's much cheaper to set a precedent in that way than it is to actually go in and disarm a country.
00:23:42.000It's much cheaper to do a missile strike, drop a Moab, do these economic sanctions with trade war, getting China to participate in the sanctions regime because of the threat of trade war.
00:23:53.000It's much cheaper to do that and get North Korea to reluctantly agree over the course of a protracted negotiation to give up their arms than it is for us to go in and invade and take them.
00:24:05.000That's a big war, that's a big commitment.
00:24:15.000I saved it for Sticks because he wanted to talk about this because it's so current.
00:24:20.000But obviously, the Bill Cosby situation has just unraveled, and we'll be bringing on Sticks to talk about that in a moment.
00:24:27.000I'm going to fire up our Google Hangouts, and we should be bringing him in.
00:24:32.000The problem I've been having with the Google Hangouts is that.
00:24:38.000When I use my OBS, you'll notice it goes from the opening screen into the live screen.
00:24:44.000And when it goes from opening to live, for whatever reason, because of these fantastic updates that I have to do every 30 seconds update this, update that, and it's getting worse.
00:24:53.000It goes from the opening screen to this, and the camera goes from off to on, whereas before it was always on.
00:25:00.000This is all very interesting, I'm sure.
00:25:01.000If you set up the Google Hangouts beforehand, the camera is inputted into that, and then when I turn on the show, the camera's already redirected to the Hangouts, and it's going.
00:26:04.000Let me just put your screen up on my screen, and we, yeah, if you want it to be audio only, that's fine too, since it, uh, you're having video problems, you said.
00:26:15.000No, no, no, it's, uh, It's complicated just with my camera, but I can get you on the screen right now.
00:27:29.000But for the audience I see in the live chat all the time, but for the audience that isn't familiar, I don't think there's a lot of overlap.
00:27:36.000There's some, but very different spheres we come from.
00:27:39.000So tell us a little bit about yourself.
00:27:42.000Well, for anyone that doesn't know, I've been on YouTube for some time.
00:27:45.000I branched out, obviously, into other ventures now because I'm no longer sure that YouTube is a single platform that's stable anymore, sadly.
00:27:54.000Political commentary, a little bit about the occult and other things.
00:28:22.000I think it's the coldest since 1800 and froze to death, which was, I can't remember exactly, it was the year that Shelley wrote Frankenstein because there was no actual summer.
00:28:58.000I've plowed in, I think, seven flower gardens so far this year, and there are a couple more to go, a bunch of vegetables, but the hot weather crops have to wait because I think there will be.
00:29:26.000I understand that because you look at the way, well, especially with what just came out about the lettuce, the lettuce and the eggs where they do these massive recalls.
00:29:34.000There's something to be said about knowing where your food comes from.
00:29:52.000So you got the garden going, you've been doing YouTube, and I know you're pretty all over the place, which is, I think, something that's interesting about YouTube personalities and something that's interesting about you.
00:30:03.000I watched a lot of your content to prepare for the debate, and you're really, you cover a lot of topics.
00:30:08.000You cover politics, the occult, religion.
00:30:12.000I mean, tell us a little bit about your program and what are the kinds of things you get into?
00:30:17.000Yeah, well, these were all interests years ago anyway.
00:30:20.000I was interested for some time in gardening.
00:30:22.000My grandfather taught me how to garden way back in around 2003 or 2004.
00:30:28.000That's the first time I ever sort of plowed in plants or anything.
00:30:31.000And you know, you water them, you fertilize them a little, and they grow.
00:30:34.000They weren't great at the time, but I thought it was interesting.
00:30:37.000I used to hike a lot, so I like outdoor work.
00:30:40.000I've been re landscaping the entire property, which is almost two and a half acres in size.
00:31:55.000All those old ones, they used to be really good.
00:31:58.000They lost all the followers and then, you know, it just turned out, you know.
00:32:01.000There are a couple like Mondo, I think it's Mondo Media, still makes Happy Tree Friends, which is still edgy in the same sense that it always has been.
00:32:30.000Technically, I was born in New Hampshire, which some people don't get.
00:32:34.000But, you know, since I was a little kid, I've been in Vermont almost continuously.
00:32:38.000I have lived in other states, Texas, Florida.
00:32:42.000I lived literally five minutes from the Mexican border when I was in Texas, which also a lot of people, for some reason, don't get.
00:32:49.000So when they talk about like Texas will go blue and stuff, they don't think that I've been there and thus don't understand the reasoning behind it, I guess.
00:32:58.000Wait, so you say you don't think Texas will go blue.
00:33:18.000Yeah, because I think that the next generation of people, the children of immigrants, are way more closeted and conservative than anyone can possibly imagine, to the point of almost being whiter than a lot of white nationalists in their mentality.
00:33:31.000Having spoken with many of them, there's a vein of, Ethno nationalism that runs extremely deep in some of these communities, but you'd never see it on the surface, and it's not yet being really represented in voting because a lot of these people also, their younger voting blocs tend to be more liberal anyway.
00:33:49.000Texas is a young state compared to maybe a Vermont or a New Hampshire, so that does skew it somewhat.
00:33:54.000But no, I don't think it's, I would predict that California would go red before Texas will go blue.
00:34:40.000We look at the present trends, we look at the present statistics, and it paints a pretty gloomy picture.
00:34:44.000You know, you look at any of the polling about these people, but I have never totally ruled that out the idea that I don't think it's totally lost.
00:34:53.000I think people misunderstand the idea that there's this determinism about it that, well, if they vote this way today, they'll vote the same way consistently for 10 or 20 or 25 years.
00:35:05.000But we know that I think people can change their minds.
00:35:07.000If the Democrats keep going the way they are without a viable message, without very viable candidates, I don't think anything's guaranteed for them, especially not in Texas.
00:35:17.000And just remember, of course, for people, Michigan was, you know, what was it, 12 points in the blue in the last couple of elections, I think, and in the high single digits before that, people were saying it was irrevocably, irreversibly now a blue state.
00:35:31.000It was no longer a swing state, and Trump won there.
00:35:34.000Pennsylvania, they said, well, for the last four elections, the Democrats have gotten it by increasingly large margins.
00:35:41.000Republicans can never possibly compete there.
00:35:47.000I look at the electoral map over time, and regardless of racial or ethnic.
00:35:52.000Composition, regardless of anything else, there's always shift and it never moves in a unidirectional fashion.
00:35:59.000It always jumps around wildly according to what the story of the day is.
00:36:03.000It depends on what people give importance to.
00:36:06.000If they're giving importance to a suffrage movement versus civil rights or maybe a war or anti war sentiment versus some social issue or taxation versus jobs, there's going to be a different result because the states are all different in the composition thereof.
00:36:23.000You know, we talk a lot about on the show about how Indiana went blue in 2008.
00:36:28.000And I think many people would think of Indiana, when you look at the history of the state, as a red state, as a very, very conservative state.
00:36:35.000And yet, places like Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, they went for Barack Obama in 2008.
00:36:40.000And so I think, you know, I don't know if I'm totally on board with the idea that it could never happen, but I do definitely understand where you're coming from that to project what will happen in 10 years based on, I think, a very static, Understanding of demographics and voter trends, I think is probably a little bit presumptuous at the very least, right?
00:37:01.000Yeah, I think they tend to jump around over time.
00:37:04.000People have thought many times that progress moves in one direction, progress so called in the progressive sense, of course.
00:37:12.000They think that things are the same forever.
00:37:14.000And every generation makes the same mistake of thinking that they're modern and hip.
00:37:18.000And they don't realize as they get a little bit older, they're no longer modern and hip and they get displaced.
00:37:57.000Formative events in the same way that the boomers did, in the sense that the boomers came of age during this period of social tumult and demographic transformation to a very changing conception of national identity.
00:38:10.000And Generation Z is facing a very similar thing.
00:38:13.000Maybe not totally comparable with the late 60s.
00:38:16.000It's a comparison that's made pretty often, but I think there's definitely similarities.
00:38:20.000Now, you talk about progress, and I want to get your take on this because this is something I talk a lot about on the show, which is.
00:38:28.000There is this idea among the left, and I know you don't really comfortably fit really into the mainstream right or left, but they do say on both the left and the right that progress is possible, that America has gotten materially wealthy, sickness has gone down, and this constitutes human progress, and we can get better.
00:38:47.000And on this show, we're very right wing, we're very conservative, and we say that's not really happening.
00:38:52.000We're basically, the nature stays the same.
00:38:55.000Some of the trappings can go up and down, but it's basically the same thing.
00:38:58.000I'm really wondering, because you come at it from a position that's.
00:39:03.000I don't want to say pagan because you're going to say, oh, well, you're going to correct me, but you come from this alternative religious perspective, kind of a non ideological.
00:39:13.000I think the United States can absolutely show progress.
00:39:17.000The problem is, right now, we're in such a transformative stage.
00:39:20.000We're in a paradigm shift in which the neoliberalism that was the hallmark of everything after Ronald Reagan left office, Herbert Walker, sort of ushers it in.
00:39:29.000It was ushered in by sort of Reagan's handlers late second term.
00:41:05.000Yeah, no, that's a very profound point and very prescient.
00:41:09.000That's something that Sam Huntington wrote a lot about in the beginning of this century about how America has basically lost the identity that.
00:41:19.000Binds all of us together in the sense that he talks about how, as the nation evolved, we had an ethnic identity, a racial identity, a cultural identity, a political identity.
00:41:28.000We could say that we were an Anglo Saxon, white, Protestant, American democratic nation.
00:41:35.000And over time, every part of that identity has come under assault to the point where we're embracing these different conceptions of are we Islamic?
00:41:48.000And even in terms of national goals, I think we've really lost a national purpose.
00:41:52.000I think it's a very good point you make about what are our values.
00:41:56.000With the advent of multiculturalism, even something like free speech is not a given.
00:42:01.000Even something like freedom is not a given when you have people who say hate speech has to go and the Second Amendment has to go and all the rest.
00:42:08.000And I think that's a really good point.
00:42:10.000It's something that hasn't been addressed, really, in terms of who are we going to be?
00:42:15.000It's just been this political tug of war, but nobody's really asked the American people, what do you want your nation to look like?
00:42:22.000And then the left is really doing itself a disservice.
00:43:06.000I'm sitting there, Islam's not a race for an identity.
00:43:09.000There never has been a sort of codified right to anyone in the world being able to come here in the first place.
00:43:15.000I happen to believe there are a great many good people in the Middle East and everywhere else that want to believe in the American dream, but you've got to have some sort of process in place.
00:44:29.000I mean, that's a very, there's a lot of substance in that.
00:44:32.000That in order to have a definite, a defined country, there has to be a process, there has to be borders, and the people have to be in charge of it.
00:44:40.000But we've cucked ourselves where we say, well, who are, Who are we to say who we even let into our communities and neighborhoods?
00:44:49.000So I respect that you, you know, you're kind of non ideological, but you have a common sense, I think a very just common sense understanding that that's what a country is.
00:44:59.000When they talk about Trump having a third grade vocabulary, I'm like, okay, so he's two grades ahead of the Democratic Party at this point.
00:45:57.000Well, yeah, and I think that's a very good point that I think both the left and the right can agree that we look at somebody like Bush who says he's a conservative.
00:46:05.000We look at somebody like Obama who says he's a liberal.
00:46:08.000We say it's the same, like you said, it's the same neoliberal nonsense for 25 years.
00:46:13.000And there are real differences between right and left, even the conservative ink right, and it's just not represented there.
00:46:20.000We just get the same globalist domination of the country.
00:46:27.000And the original, like when back years ago in the zeitgeist days, like mid 2000s, there was like that piece of footage showing Herbert Walker talking about the New World Order.
00:46:37.000Now, in the context of his speech, he meant the American Order, the New World as opposed to the old in the geographical sense.
00:46:44.000But if you suggested that there was anything more beyond that, like actual globalism, you were called a kook, a conspiracy theorist.
00:46:55.000Having a global community, we need global law, we need a global army, we need global everything.
00:47:00.000It's like if they had suggested this 10 years ago, people would have been out in the streets and a lot of them would have been left leaning, saying that the end times were upon us.
00:47:08.000And they would have been joined by a bunch of fundamentalists on the far right who would be saying basically Lucifer had come.
00:47:17.000I mean, like 10 years ago, you would hear from talk radio hosts that if, like, you know, Barack Obama said the wrong thing, it was free speech is coming, you know, it's under attack of the country.
00:47:30.000And I think many people kind of laughed that off and they said, like, Even conservatives, I think, laughed that off.
00:47:35.000They said, like, yeah, like, that's our talking point, but do we really believe that they're going to come for our guns, that they're going to come and take away our free speech?
00:47:43.000And yet, you see it in the United Kingdom.
00:47:45.000I think it's disturbing how it's like when they put the frog in a boiling pot of water and he jumps out, and you gradually turn up the heat, then they're okay.
00:47:52.000I mean, in the UK, they got to the point where you get arrested for making a video, you get arrested for giving a finger to a traffic camera, you get arrested for, you know, you don't have a license.
00:48:46.000They can't say the government can say you go to jail or get fined for saying the wrong thing, but they can say, oh, but all these hordes of people can call your workplace, harass you endlessly, threaten your family, and there's no legal recourse for it.
00:48:59.000You can get defamed by BuzzFeed, like Scott Adams, myself, or a million other people.
00:49:04.000You can get defamed by the Wall Street Journal, and there's no legal recourse unless you have millions of dollars.
00:49:10.000It's basically the same friggin' thing when you think about it.
00:49:15.000As long as it's corporatist tyranny, as long as it's a private sector company doing it, I say that very loosely.
00:49:23.000They get tremendous subsidies and protections and all the rest, but it's still the free market.
00:49:28.000As long as it's Twitter enforcing it and as long as your employer's enforcing it, just so long as it's not the government, they're fine with it.
00:50:14.000If one person comes forward and says you've done something wrong and they don't really have any evidence or it was years ago, I'm going to assume that it's probably shit.
00:50:24.000And the person is doing it for money, especially if it's against someone like Cosby.
00:50:27.000But when it's 60 people, it becomes difficult.
00:50:30.000It becomes difficult to imagine that this large a proportion of all the people he's ever worked with, of any profile at all, in any way at all, have a vendetta against him or want his money.
00:50:53.000It may bother some people, but I'm saying, yes, hashtag me too, hashtag, you know, defend women, believe victims.
00:51:01.000Yes, but we also have a system that employs the concept of a burden of proof against someone who's claimed to have committed some sort of crime.
00:51:10.000I think Cosby's guilty, absolutely, based on the number of people that have come forward to claim that.
00:51:15.000But my belief shouldn't be enough to jail somebody.
00:51:19.000Well, yeah, I'm glad you said that because it's true.
00:51:22.000I mean, You're right about the fact that, you know, 60 women, when you get into, I think when you get past a dozen, it's basically like, yeah, you know, you're probably in trouble.
00:51:32.000I mean, we do have a system in the country where you're innocent until proven guilty, where the burden of proof is on the accuser.
00:51:38.000And I think it's troublesome for people that worry about what kind of precedent that sets.
00:51:43.000That if, if you're going to be convicted basically in the court of public opinion without any evidence, without any concrete proof, that's a big problem.
00:51:50.000We saw that with Roy Moore, which some people were really committed, even Republicans said, okay, maybe he's guilty.
00:51:57.000But then you had, they were forging, they literally forged the only concrete evidence they had.
00:52:02.000And regardless of what you think, that presents a problem for the justice system because, you know, it's all fun and games until you're the person who ends up being indicted for that kind of a thing.
00:52:13.000It's just not the kind of thing that we should see in the country.
00:52:16.000And I don't know, it used to be pretty old, though.
00:52:19.000And I think it was Tariq Nasheed came out actually and said, like, oh, people, this is partially racially motivated.
00:52:27.000And I'm, Thinking to myself, Tariq Nasheed's far left.
00:52:30.000He's like, you know, like Joy Reid, progressive.
00:52:33.000And it's really, really funny because Tariq Nasheed, at the same time, he should hate Cosby for being marginally conservative, you know, in the Reagan era, essentially, the neocon or something.
00:53:01.000At the very least, he's broke people up and did the 70s sort of shystery shit that people did back then, at the very least, if not raping people.
00:53:10.000But again, if you've got a burden of proof at all, you can't throw an 80 year old man or any person in prison just because it's obvious they're guilty.
00:53:39.000He's at the point where he's, I don't know, was he even on tour or anything?
00:53:43.000At that point, somebody like that, and you see this with many people, people in the Me Too, people all over the place, where they get to a point where it's like, you know, is justice really being done in the sense that he lived a life of fortune and fame for a long time?
00:53:58.000He went on abusing people, and he basically got the job done, and then he got caught a couple of years later, and now what are we going to do?
00:55:34.000Well, the thing is, my thought on Bloodsports has been, and I've said this for about a year YouTubers and creators in general need to stick together.
00:55:43.000Definitely, if you have debates, maybe you have arguments or something, that's great.
00:55:47.000But that's just, you know, ultimately, it's about the viewers, it's about our audiences.
00:55:51.000We're here to entertain, we're here to inform.
00:55:53.000You, even if you have some bad blood, you've got to suppress it for other people, it's just got to be done, yeah.
00:55:59.000Because otherwise, yeah, if this is true, if JF actually quit, you can bet Jared Hole to write a hit piece tomorrow about this.
00:56:06.000You can bet oh, oh, schism within the far right, how YouTube's far right is falling apart.
00:56:12.000JF accused, you know, whatever, uh, Andy Worski head Nazi, it's gonna be crap, basically, yeah.
00:56:21.000Well, you make a good point about how self indulgent it is to do the drama, you know.
00:56:26.000I mean, it's like you and I, we had our religious debate, but that we're here talking and having a good time.
00:56:39.000You don't do content because it's a passion project.
00:56:43.000I think for most people, at least, you do it for the benefit of the audience.
00:56:47.000And to drag it into the gutter with this goofy, silly, high school stuff, I just think it's unfortunate to see that kind of a thing happen.
00:56:56.000I mean, even me and James, we used to do our podcast and.
00:57:00.000We had severe differences over the course of our working relationship.
00:57:04.000And even still, whatever we were on the podcast, it was always business.
00:57:08.000It was always, you know, we're going to put on a product or different.
00:57:11.000StripeFox in chat pointing out no more brother wars.
00:59:32.000But then I thought, but I've already taken for four months out of the fiscal year money from people who potentially are overseas.
00:59:39.000So if I was going to run for office, I need at least a year in advance to make sure that I'm only getting domestic money, unless it's on book sales, because that wouldn't make a difference.
00:59:49.000Because when I file financial disclosure, I'm going to have to tell people, yes, in full disclosure, I got like $2,000 from Russia, inexplicably, so that Phil Scott can say, oh, he's controlled by a foreign state, which is exactly what would happen.
01:00:03.000And if I ran, if I ran, I know right wing watch, Wall Street Journal, BuzzFeed, they're already doing hit pieces on me, despite the fact that supposedly I don't matter.
01:00:13.000Just imagine if I was running a viable gubernatorial campaign.
01:00:17.000The Atlantic and CNN would be covering it within hours.
01:00:41.000Well, he did, in Jared Holt's defense, one thing that he did do is he did sort of go back on one tweet he made where he was outright supporting censorship.
01:00:51.000He was like, oh, you know, Dank Hill only got fined, not jailed.
01:00:54.000He did end up rescinding his support of that and sort of, Going back on his position.
01:01:08.000And he likes to not put his full views out there.
01:01:11.000You can infer them if you're not insane, but he likes to not discuss them too much so he can pretend that people are wrong when they attack it, as though it were a straw man.
01:02:11.000I don't harbor any illusions about actually winning.
01:02:14.000But just think if I came in third, got a few thousand votes, which is all you'd need in Vermont, by the way, it would blow a bunch of people's gaskets.
01:05:00.000It's a similar situation with our governor, where we have Bruce Rauner, who came in in 2012, and he promised, Oh, I'm going to fix everything.
01:05:11.000And he not only did nothing, he not only kept none of his promises, but he actually went back on two of them and made Illinois a sanctuary state and then did, he legalized some form of abortion and lied to the archbishop.
01:05:26.000The Democrat is J.B. Pritzker, who's been like, he's this fat Jewish guy who basically has been running Chicago, this billionaire, for like 20 years, far left progressive.
01:05:36.000It's like, who am I even going to vote?
01:07:54.000Yeah, no, I think that's one of the underrated explanations.
01:07:56.000I mean, I think you can look at the influence of the Frankfurt School, certainly the influences of the media, but I mean, that's a big driver in Europe the fact that their welfare state, the population pyramid is upside down.
01:08:09.000And so you have to have that kind of base to shore it up.
01:08:12.000Unfortunately, how many of them end up working or paying taxes?
01:08:15.000You know, that tends to be problematic.
01:08:38.000Imperialism, I have a problem with when you're attacking using a stealth bomber some Syrian nuclear site, which is just an energy production site, and arming groups around you and bombing things in the Sinai.
01:08:54.000With or without the Egyptian government's permission.
01:08:58.000And they have a good relationship with the Jordanians, but it's like it must suck to be on the West Bank when you're completely surrounded.
01:09:04.000And the thing is, we've got to keep in mind as well the area is dominated by Islam.
01:09:09.000This is a Jewish enclave within the region.
01:09:13.000But it's still a Middle Eastern religion.
01:10:12.000Yeah, I think that's accurate in terms of.
01:10:16.000I don't think anybody who sees what's going on has a problem with Jews in themselves.
01:10:20.000This is a big thing I fight on my own channel with people in the live chat, people who are a little bit more out there who have it out like.
01:10:27.000Well, Jewish people are bad in themselves, which I've never had a problem with.
01:10:30.000That doesn't mean I don't see that there's an overrepresentation of media and maybe they exert an undue influence on foreign policy or whatever.
01:10:37.000But to say that a person in and of themselves is, there's something wrong with that.
01:10:43.000Everyone has a right to be a nationalist, everybody has a right to self determination.
01:10:50.000So, yeah, and sometimes they point to certain Jewish scriptures and they sort of cherry pick them the same way that someone who's maybe like pro any religion would.
01:10:59.000And it's like, it's sort of like they look at some of the, I can't remember what they're called, some of the Jewish rabbinical texts talk about, oh, you know, killing.
01:11:09.000But then there are also texts like if you study Kabbalah, the mystic side of Judaism, it's extremely pacifistic in many ways.
01:11:15.000It's sort of like the difference between some of the hadiths like the Sahih Muslim or the Sahih al Bukhari, the texts within Islam that are butcherous.
01:11:24.000If you compare that though to like the Book of Alawite or something, it's not butcherous.
01:11:28.000It's quite peace loving for the most part, which is why they want to get rid of Assad.
01:11:32.000That's why they want to cast him off as a butcher, I think.
01:11:43.000I think that's one of those issues where there's a lot of overlap between the right and the left because I think it's, and for a lot of reasons, it's for different reasons that they oppose Zionism.
01:11:55.000And I think it's kind of curious, though, how you would say, well, it's against imperialism.
01:11:59.000I think a lot of right wing people come at it from a similar angle, ironically, where it didn't necessarily used to be like that before.
01:12:07.000A lot of people are just talking about the JF and Worski thing.
01:12:10.000Apparently, this is real that JF and Worski are done.
01:12:41.000I'm saying we need to be the cutlery coalition because you've got like the knife meme, I've got the spoon meme, but we need to find a fork somewhere in there.
01:14:02.000Imagine not making enemies before you know all the facts.
01:14:05.000You know, meanwhile, they wanted me to just come out.
01:14:08.000Somebody sent me the audio where Baked Alaska had mentioned me.
01:14:11.000And it's like, If I had just listened to that person sending me the audio, I would have assumed that Baked Alaska was trying to like down my channel or something.
01:14:19.000Instead, like a normal sane person, I checked with him, talked to him, and realized that it was basically a misunderstanding.
01:14:27.000But I could have just gone completely ape shit, like some people apparently did.
01:14:30.000It would have been a problem, I think.
01:14:52.000You know, there's all these rumors about baked doxing somebody, baked doing this, doing that.
01:14:57.000And then how much of this headache would we have gotten rid of if Andy Worski or JF, you know, whatever, not to name names or blame anybody, but if we could just maintain some degree of professionalism in public and then in private pick up the phone and say, what's going on, big guy?
01:15:14.000Because of our collective power now on the internet, maybe we should have little red telephones that all connect to one another, like a nuclear hotline, so that we can solve these diplomatic differences.
01:15:56.000I mean, there has to be some better communication, I think, with this network.
01:16:01.000Because we have a very strong network between the Bloodsports participants.
01:16:05.000It's funny how the Bloodsports thing really brought all of these dissident personalities into some kind of confederation.
01:16:14.000Not obviously an organized thing, but it put them all under one umbrella of a category.
01:16:19.000Whereas before, it was everyone kind of out there doing their own thing.
01:16:23.000I think in the future, we may look back on Worski as maybe.
01:16:27.000Some kind of primordial framework for some kind of an alliance.
01:16:31.000I think if you compare that to what the conservatives have, to what the liberals have, it might not be a bad idea to start institutionalizing that in some way or at least building up some kind of infrastructure for that network because I think we should cross pollinate each other, share each other's content, and that kind of thing.
01:16:51.000I think that'd be good for everybody involved and most of all for the principles we stand for.
01:16:55.000And Nick, apparently JF has actually seen your message.
01:17:40.000We've got TH who says, Oh, no, we read that one already.
01:17:45.000Compliant citizen is asking me about Alfie Evans.
01:17:48.000He says, Not an American issue, but a controversy from the Catholic Church perspective.
01:17:53.000I appreciate one has to be mindful not to utilize a family's pain for political reasons, but I'm troubled by this case.
01:17:59.000Well, actually, we talked about this on the show two days ago, and I think it was in the second half of the show about Alfie Evans.
01:18:07.000It's basically a perversion of socialized medicine.
01:18:09.000I mean, the idea was nobody should go sick, and they've turned it into we have to decide who gets health care and who doesn't because there's scarce resources and a lot of people who want it.
01:18:21.000So it's a very perverse consequence of government power of the state and a drastic overstep.
01:18:27.000I don't think any of them, even the left wing people, agree that the state should decide who lives and who dies, who gets care, who doesn't.
01:21:03.000I know you're a layman and not required to know as much, but you are one of the big faces of Catholicism on YouTube.
01:21:09.000Get on Jay Dyer's level, but the Catholic version.
01:21:11.000I'm trying, big guy, but I'm also trying to put out political content.
01:21:15.000You know, I had to decide at a certain point to focus and where I was going to put my energy because I tried for a little while to do the Catholic thing and I debated sticks on religion.
01:21:25.000I went on Jay Dyer and debated him about orthodoxy.
01:22:21.000I'm much stronger, I think, on politics.
01:22:23.000It comes much more naturally to me, much more intuitive.
01:22:26.000I read Aquinas and I swear to God I put a hole in the wall every time because I'm reading Ed Fieser try and explain it about all these words and, you know, It's just such a headache, and I'm reading through it.
01:22:40.000I like it, it's very dense, it's very technical in terms of the language, and it's frustrating to say the least.
01:22:48.000So, but I'm working on it, and I'm working on it.
01:22:50.000We got to pray for the wisdom to understand the scholastic tradition very difficult stuff, but we're getting there.
01:22:57.000And we'll get to our super chats here.
01:23:16.000And we wish you all the best with your health issues.
01:23:19.000I know I saw you had a surgery recently, so, and that turned out, I don't know, you survived it, but you said it didn't go very well in terms of, didn't fix the problem.
01:23:54.000And the alt right, I think, is no good in terms of its viability.
01:23:59.000You know, like I said, I know a lot of people who identify as alt right, and I have respect for them, but I don't consider myself alt right, and I don't see it as being viable.
01:24:08.000I hope they prove me wrong, or maybe they will.
01:25:02.000People who have a job, I don't think they understand that when you're like self employed or you do your own thing, it's not like you're just fun and games all the time.
01:25:18.000I'm known to play Fortnite on occasion, but when you're doing your own thing, it's much more difficult because there's so much more responsibility.
01:25:26.000If you're not on top of it every day, all the time, and actively looking into things, the money's just not guaranteed.
01:25:35.000Whereas if you're employed, it's like you clock in, you clock out, you do your job, you go home, and whatever.
01:25:42.000Whereas if you're running the show, there's just so much more insecure.
01:25:45.000And obviously, in this line of work, it's even worse where I got to the point where I was making probably like double what I would be making if I were doing a minimum wage job.
01:25:55.000And we got the Super Chat thing, and the Streamlabs is a great alternative.
01:29:14.000People have it in their heads that you have to be marching in the streets and beating the hell out of commies.
01:29:20.000The most subversive thing that we could do right now, the most viable thing, Be a productive member of society.
01:29:26.000Be somebody that the globalists would fear.
01:29:29.000Globalists aren't afraid of an unemployable, unemployed loser with no job who goes and they march on the streets and they don't have a family and they're socially ostracized and they're weird.
01:29:41.000They would be terrified if, like, people who have a big family and they're community members and they're leaders in their community and they have lots of kids and they're upstanding people, they'd be terrified if lots of people like that started to support.
01:29:58.000If you want more, especially for the youth, get involved on campus.
01:30:02.000Get involved in Young Americans for Liberty, Young Americans Foundation, Young Americans for Freedom, College Republicans, whatever it is, infiltrate at the campus level.
01:30:10.000If you're there or older, volunteer for your local Republican Party.
01:30:47.000You build your network in terms of connections, people who campaign, people who are in politics.
01:30:53.000There's literally nothing that could go wrong with doing those three things, as opposed to the tremendous costs of face doxing at one of these retard marches.