America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - The Next American Revolution - Nicholas J. Fuentes and Stefan Molyneux - 2017-06-19

00:00:00.000 Hi, everybody.

00:00:00.000 Stefan Molyneux from Freedom Main Radio.

00:00:02.000 Hope you're doing well.

00:00:03.000 Going to chat today with the one, the only Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:06.000 He's the host of America First on Right Side Broadcasting Network.

00:00:10.000 You can find out his stuff on YouTube at youtube.com forward slash Right Side Radio.

00:00:15.000 His website is Nicholas J. Fuentes, F U E N T E S dot com, and Twitter dot com forward slash Nick J. Fuentes.

00:00:23.000 Nick, thanks so much for taking the time today.

00:00:25.000 Thanks for having me, Stefan.

00:00:26.000 I got to say, I'm a long time fan.

00:00:28.000 I've been watching you since, I mean, I'm only 18 now, but I've been watching you since I was in high school.

00:00:32.000 So good to be here.

00:00:34.000 Oh.

00:00:34.000 Thanks.

00:00:34.000 Very, very, very nice of you.

00:00:37.000 Your show is really spectacular, not just for its content at home, but, you know, it's hard to avoid the fresh faced, apple cheeked 18 year old thing, too, which is really, really impressive.

00:00:46.000 And the fact is that you're hanging out with us in a suit on a Saturday, very, very, on a Friday, very, very impressive as well.

00:00:52.000 So, can you tell the audience a little bit about your backstory, how you developed your principles, and how you got into the show that you're doing?

00:01:01.000 So, I guess I could start with my principles.

00:01:01.000 Sure, yes.

00:01:03.000 That's the earlier story.

00:01:06.000 I have to tell you, I sort of went through a similar transformation as I know you did as well, something that happened to a lot of us, I think, during this election.

00:01:15.000 I started out in eighth grade.

00:01:17.000 I think I was brought into the fold by Thomas Sowell, who, I mean, you know, he's a big guy, really a titan on the right, and has been for a long time.

00:01:26.000 I just wanted to mention, too, now that he's retired, I really miss the guy.

00:01:30.000 I mean, you know, hey, he had a great run, 86, you know, let's all keep our fingers crossed, but great, great writer.

00:01:37.000 You know, some disagreements, which is natural and healthy, but.

00:01:40.000 I certainly miss his voice, and I'm looking forward to see who steps into the fold.

00:01:43.000 But sorry, go ahead.

00:01:44.000 Yeah, no, no problem.

00:01:45.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:01:47.000 I know exactly what you mean.

00:01:48.000 He was one of the most sensible guys and an excellent, excellent writer, prolific too.

00:01:52.000 But I think it was him who brought me into the fold.

00:01:55.000 I watched him on Uncommon Knowledge, which was the Hoover Institute, which produced that.

00:02:00.000 And for an hour, you know, he talked about his book, Basic Economics.

00:02:04.000 And for the first time, I heard the idea of economic liberty and free markets and laissez faire.

00:02:10.000 Whereas in school, all along, you hear about the government, the government should fix everything.

00:02:14.000 The government helped everybody.

00:02:16.000 The government's great.

00:02:17.000 And so Thomas Sowell was really the guy who introduced me to the idea that free people, free markets, that's how you make a society work a little bit better.

00:02:24.000 And so, what drove you to even look for this information to begin with?

00:02:27.000 Because, as far as I understand it, a lot of teenage boys are looking for videos on the internet, just not necessarily of Dr. Sowell.

00:02:35.000 That's what my father tells me.

00:02:35.000 Yeah, right.

00:02:36.000 That's what my parents tell me all the time.

00:02:38.000 They say, you should be watching other things on the internet.

00:02:41.000 But so, something with tentacles, I believe, is vogue these days.

00:02:46.000 Yeah, that's Kurt Eichenwald style and some other things, right?

00:02:50.000 But no, so in eighth grade, I was looking for that because I was really interested in communism at the time.

00:02:56.000 I got to say, I was never a communist, but I was always fascinated by the story of the Soviet Union and just how something like that was possible, how something like that could have happened.

00:03:06.000 You know, when you're growing up in the 2000s, modern, post Cold War era, it's sort of like this weird end of history time. 0.80

00:03:14.000 I sort of wondered how that could have been achieved, how that worked, you know, or how it didn't work, rather.

00:03:19.000 And so I looked into what is the alternative?

00:03:22.000 What's the other side?

00:03:23.000 What was the argument against that?

00:03:24.000 And so I ended up looking into Milton Friedman.

00:03:27.000 I read Free to Choose, Capitalism and Freedom, all that.

00:03:31.000 Stayed basically along that path until 2015 when the election rolled around.

00:03:35.000 I was for Rand Paul, for Ted Cruz.

00:03:38.000 For a long time, I was a constitutionalist, full blooded conservative.

00:03:42.000 For a short time, I was a neocon.

00:03:44.000 I was always really sort of on the side of the Austrian school more than the more neoliberal Chicago school in terms of economics.

00:03:52.000 But right around the time when the primary started in 2016, I think it was January 31st or February 1st was the Iowa caucus in 2016.

00:04:02.000 And right around that time, that's when I started to see the argument from the Donald Trump side of conservatism that maybe we need the institutional change before we could get to this libertarian utopia.

00:04:15.000 Maybe we need to focus on the demographics, immigration.

00:04:18.000 The culture first.

00:04:19.000 And really, for the longest time, I think for about a year, a year and a half, I've sort of been along this conversion more to a much different brand of conservatism, maybe more in the tradition of Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, people like that, where I see that you really can't have that free society if you don't have virtuous people, if you don't have strong families, if you don't have a culture that isn't degenerate, if you don't have a homogenous demographic situation.

00:04:48.000 And so that's really where I'm at today.

00:04:51.000 And then you want me to talk about the right side and how I got involved there?

00:04:54.000 No, just a sec for that, because I wanted to pause, because I think a lot of people have gone through that transition.

00:04:58.000 And for other people who were not on the left, that transition to being interested in Trump is kind of incomprehensible.

00:05:06.000 And the way that I've sort of framed it myself, Nick, and tell me what you think the way I've sort of framed it myself is the non Trumpers who were on the conservative side were like the single serve salvation guys.

00:05:18.000 You know, like we just get Ted Cruz in there, we get Rand Paul in there, and everything's going to be better.

00:05:22.000 Now, I think, though, what we want is a system wherein it shouldn't matter quite as much who is, is in, who is in power.

00:05:31.000 Cause otherwise you're just, you're, you're, you're trying to win at Vegas by rolling, you know, you know, two sixes every single time.

00:05:37.000 Sooner or later, you're going to come up, uh, snake eyes, but enough about Hillary.

00:05:41.000 And so I think for people with, with the dismantling of the regulatory state, with the rolling back of taxation, with the control over the borders, I think Donald Trump is smart enough to know he's going to be around for four or eight years.

00:05:53.000 And he wants to leave a system where it shouldn't quite be as much of a, oh my God, whether Hillary gets in or whether Trump gets in is going to be the difference between night and day, because that is a system that's dysfunctional in its essence, in its kind of deep state bedrock, rather than who's on top.

00:06:10.000 You're exactly right.

00:06:11.000 Exactly right.

00:06:12.000 And I think you phrased it perfectly.

00:06:13.000 That's exactly how I came along to the Trump train as well.

00:06:17.000 As I said, you know, even at the time when I came over to the Trump train, I was still, at the time, I was still more ideologically in line with Ted Cruz.

00:06:25.000 I still wanted Ted Cruz's flat tax.

00:06:27.000 Ted Cruz.

00:06:27.000 You know, a lot of his platform.

00:06:30.000 But I said, you know, we're really counting on one guy.

00:06:34.000 It's Ted Cruz, and hopefully he fixes everything.

00:06:37.000 He's going up against a liberal press, a central bank. 0.92

00:06:41.000 He's going up against how many millions of illegal immigrants, this horrible immigration system, and all of academia, Hollywood, TV, right? 1.00

00:06:49.000 Yeah, musicians. 0.99

00:06:51.000 It's the one guy. 0.99

00:06:51.000 You know, it's our lone guy who's going to be treated just as poorly as Donald Trump, but without the balls, frankly. 0.99

00:06:58.000 To fight back against it and implement, as you said, a system. 0.95

00:07:01.000 So I agree 100%.

00:07:02.000 It started, at least for me, and I think for a lot of people, that we need this, a different kind of reform.

00:07:08.000 You know, even if you don't agree with Trump on everything, he'll smash the institutions into something where we could get something conservative.

00:07:16.000 Even if you're still a National Review guy, even if you're still a Ben Shapiro cuck conservative, you're still going to have a better shot after Trump than you would with a Marco Rubio or a Ted Cruz, just as the lone tree standing against the wind.

00:07:30.000 Now, while I certainly understand the appeal behind people like Ted Cruz and so on, you know, I like my politicians with the side of Canadian Bacon, but the one thing that I didn't trust him on was that he was not hated enough by the people I dislike.

00:07:46.000 And we live in this kind of weird world where the way that you know somebody is going to be effective at controlling the state is just about everybody with a public voice viscerally loathes and hates that person.

00:07:58.000 And it's kind of like weird because politics is supposed to be about a popularity contest, but politics.

00:08:04.000 In this sort of, I don't know, post Soviet creeping socialism kind of world, politics has become an unpopularity contest.

00:08:10.000 You know, hey, you've got really, really great stuff to say, but I'm sorry, you're just not hated enough by the people.

00:08:16.000 I really, really need to hate you, which means you don't think you're going to be threatening their interests, or at least they don't think they're going to be threatening your interests enough.

00:08:22.000 So it's become weird to the point where it's like the more lasers on someone, the more you want them in charge.

00:08:28.000 That's kind of weird to me.

00:08:29.000 Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean.

00:08:31.000 And one of the reasons why I like Ted Cruz even initially was because all the senators hated him.

00:08:36.000 But you're right, because You know, towards the end of the primary, whether or not all the senators disliked him or whether or not the media disliked him, the Republican establishment rallied around him.

00:08:47.000 And I don't think you could ever take that away, that that was the reason why I think a lot of people had an issue with that.

00:08:53.000 And you're exactly right that for the past 25 years, about since the end of the Cold War, you know, when George H.W. Bush made his New World Order speech, we've basically seen the same globalist monoparty, which controls the Democrats, the Republicans, all the media, you know, every institution of political power.

00:09:11.000 And so you're exactly right.

00:09:12.000 It is about how much a person is hated.

00:09:15.000 It denotes how much they're really with us and not with them.

00:09:18.000 It has sort of become the new divide, whereas before you might have had the right versus the left, leftists versus conservatives.

00:09:25.000 I think now you really do have globalists.

00:09:29.000 They're either with this elite ruling class establishment or they're a nationalist.

00:09:33.000 They're with us, the people.

00:09:35.000 And similarly, I think with the pundit class, there was sort of that same litmus test.

00:09:39.000 I sort of, once I was firmly on the Trump train, I think right after the Republican National Convention, I was at work.

00:09:46.000 And I was working, you know, just a regular high school summer job, menial labor.

00:09:49.000 I was listening to podcasts.

00:09:51.000 And I sort of made the determination that you look at the pundits, at least the online ones, who were for Trump and the ones that were against them.

00:09:59.000 And that very neatly sorted who was with the people and who was with the elite.

00:10:03.000 If you were for Trump, you know, like Gavin McInnes, like you, like Bill Whittle, like some of the others, I think you were really with the American people.

00:10:11.000 You were really with the people and not so much the ideology, not the intelligentsia.

00:10:16.000 Whereas you listen to, Like a George Will or a Brett Stevens who voted for Hillary Clinton.

00:10:21.000 I mean, these are people that sided more with the elite, with the globalist class, right or left, than with us, the people.

00:10:27.000 So I think that's really what set it apart are you with or against Trump?

00:10:32.000 Right.

00:10:33.000 And there is this nationalism that has gotten such a bad reputation over the past, you know, I guess, century.

00:10:40.000 And look, I understand that.

00:10:41.000 I mean, nationalism had something to do with the First World War, with the Second World War, and so on.

00:10:45.000 Nationalism, in terms of just blind allegiance to your local state, marching off to war.

00:10:50.000 No matter what they say, not looking at root causes and so on, irrational prejudice towards your own in group makes you a slave to the dominant ideology.

00:10:58.000 And I, you know, that I've pushed back against and I understand that.

00:11:01.000 However, the reality that we were sold, or the illusion that we were sold, I should say, the illusion that we were sold was that we're just interchangeable.

00:11:09.000 It doesn't matter which porn, you know, it's one porn is the same as another porn.

00:11:12.000 We're just, we're all interchangeable.

00:11:13.000 If people are in the Middle East, if they're here, if they're in Africa, if it doesn't matter, we're all interchangeable.

00:11:18.000 And to think otherwise is mere prejudice.

00:11:20.000 But as the.

00:11:22.000 Demographics have changed as the data has come in.

00:11:25.000 Well, guess what?

00:11:26.000 But it turns out we're not all interchangeable.

00:11:29.000 It turns out that culture and history and all of that and philosophy, the stuff that gets ground into the bones and the marrow over hundreds or thousands of years of sacrifice and intellectual labor and effort and so on, it turns out that stuff really, really kind of matters.

00:11:47.000 And this is something that's very confusing to people because nationalism has been portrayed as well, if you're a nationalist, you want your country to rule everyone, like national socialism, right?

00:11:56.000 Like you want your country to expand.

00:11:57.000 But most of the nationalists that I know of are like, well, you know, we want our country to be our country, but, you know, Saudi Arabia can be Saudi Arabia and Japan can be Japan and South Korea can be South Korea.

00:12:06.000 I mean, what's wrong with that?

00:12:07.000 It's having a preference for a continuity of culture that the demographic change doesn't seem to be able to support at all.

00:12:16.000 Absolutely.

00:12:17.000 I think one of the biggest changes with the new right, the alt right or the alt light, you know, whatever you want to call it, this new sort of faction of conservatism that's grown since Trump got into office, I think nationalism's fitting for all of that.

00:12:29.000 Is sort of the ideology of separation.

00:12:32.000 Whereas the old school conservatives, sort of the neoconservatives, neoliberals, I know they both hold their place in the Republican establishment, they sort of saw the whole world as, like you said, interchangeable.

00:12:44.000 You're all just economic flesh units for the United Nations.

00:12:48.000 It doesn't matter if you're Mexican or African or whatever.

00:12:51.000 You come here, you fill out the paperwork, and it's the same as the people that have been here for 200 years building and working on not only a historical legacy, but an economic legacy, a cultural legacy.

00:13:04.000 I mean, there's a lot more to it than just you can work that corporate job that the business party wants you to work.

00:13:10.000 And so I think people started to come around to the fact that the ruling elite see us, the native population, as replaceable and Western civilization as interchangeable.

00:13:20.000 It's, you know, I remember that after Marine Le Pen lost, one of my friends or someone I used to be friends with, Cassie Dillon, she said that, well, Marine Le Pen lost and that's great because she's a socialist and she's for abortion.

00:13:33.000 And I said, you know, wait a minute, stop right there. 0.97

00:13:36.000 If you look at the countries that have been under socialism and you look at the countries that have had demographic change, the countries that have been under socialism are better off or will be better off in 100 years than the ones that are being subverted and overtaken by the third world. 0.97

00:13:51.000 Say what you will about the Soviet Union, but the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Russia, in 100 years, they'll still be Christian, probably more Western than France and the United Kingdom. 0.97

00:14:01.000 And so I think that really clicked in my head that it's not so simple as the.

00:14:06.000 The libertarian message of, well, we just have to teach them liberty.

00:14:10.000 We just have to go over to countries that haven't had a libertarian tradition for millennia and say, hey, read Adam Smith.

00:14:19.000 Try and have a discussion with someone you disagree with. 0.88

00:14:22.000 Try and bring Sunnis and Shiites together. 0.98

00:14:24.000 Hasn't happened for 2,000 years, but let's stake the future of our country on it.

00:14:28.000 So I think people really came around to that idea that culture, history, people matter more than the ideology.

00:14:35.000 Yeah, I would have to say that I was just reading on Twitter, I think it was yesterday, that in Africa, someplace in Africa, Five bald guys got killed because there's a myth that there's gold inside of bald guys' heads.

00:14:46.000 Now, I've got to think that if you're mining through human skulls in search of precious metals, uh, you might not quite be ready for Rothbardian arguments for, uh, free markets.

00:14:58.000 I'm, you know, I'm just going to go out way on a limb here.

00:15:00.000 There may be a slight barrier.

00:15:01.000 And it's a weird thing too, Nick, when you think about it, that decade after decade after decade of communism appears to be the inoculation against mass migration.

00:15:10.000 I mean, how bizarre it is.

00:15:11.000 Because, you know, when I was growing up, it's like, oh man, those communist countries.

00:15:14.000 How terrible.

00:15:15.000 What a horrible place to live.

00:15:16.000 You know, I went through the usual indoctrination and then I read A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisevich and then I read Solzhenitsyn's other works and you find out and you're like, wow, this is terrible.

00:15:25.000 And now part of me is like, wow, you know, I'm really sorry about the communism thing, but it may not be the very worst thing that could have happened to you.

00:15:33.000 And that, again, I just feel like life is upside down. 0.98

00:15:36.000 Like, you know, Hitler loved Chamberlain because Chamberlain's coming over a piece in our time and Hitler's like, yeah, stupid old man, fine, I love the guy. 0.97

00:15:43.000 Yeah, bring him in, let's give him some coffee, it'd be fantastic. 0.99

00:15:45.000 You know, let him pet my dogs, love this guy. 0.70

00:15:47.000 And so the British were all like, oh, yeah, we love Chamberlain too because Hitler loves him.

00:15:51.000 And then, you know, when things went from bad to worse, then it's like, okay, well, now Hitler hates Churchill, but now we love Churchill.

00:15:56.000 And it's just this weird thing where people keep flipping around, ideas keep flipping around, up is down, black is white.

00:16:01.000 And the only thing that's keeping me on any kind of train tracks are principles.

00:16:06.000 So let's talk about some of those.

00:16:08.000 Because when you were talking about socialism and abortion, the two things that spring to my mind are hedonism.

00:16:15.000 Socialism is, I want free stuff.

00:16:17.000 I mean, let's be honest about it, right?

00:16:18.000 That old Thatcher line, it's the desire to live on other people's money until the economic sinkhole opens up.

00:16:25.000 Underneath you.

00:16:26.000 But, and of course, abortion is I don't want to have any consequences for unprotected sex or sex outside of marriage, or I don't want to have the fun of sex without the responsibility of raising a child or anything like that.

00:16:36.000 There's kind of a hedonism involved in that.

00:16:38.000 And the hedonism seems to have really, really taken over over the last half century.

00:16:43.000 Yeah, I think you're exactly right on the money with the abortion argument.

00:16:46.000 And that's something that really disturbed me.

00:16:49.000 You know, I got into an argument with somebody about abortion, and, you know, I sat down and I really thought about it.

00:16:54.000 And then these people that say that they're pro choice, what they really say is, People should not be responsible for their actions.

00:17:01.000 If you have sex on a wedlock, well, you should be able to take a human life because, you know, why should another human life infringe on your ability to go out and have promiscuous sex and whatever?

00:17:11.000 And you'll find that the people that argue for the pro choice, it's not that they say that people shouldn't be responsible.

00:17:17.000 It's to say that human beings don't have agency.

00:17:19.000 We can't expect them to be able to restrain their sexual urges. 0.90

00:17:23.000 They say, you know, well, we should have sex ed. 0.99

00:17:25.000 We should have this horrible.

00:17:28.000 Degenerate, hedonistic sex ed in high school because, well, people are basically animals without agency who can't control themselves, and we can't expect families to take responsibility for rearing their own children.

00:17:38.000 And I took a step back and I really said it really says something about the depravity, the perversity of the modern world that we just can't have any expectations of our own neighbors anymore.

00:17:51.000 The government or whatever institution you want to call it has to go in and basically tell people how they're supposed to live, what they're supposed to do.

00:17:59.000 And it came back to culture that we have to.

00:18:03.000 Create a population that is worthy of liberty, that can handle liberty.

00:18:07.000 You know, people take, and especially on the moderate right, they take liberty to mean that, well, you can do whatever you want.

00:18:13.000 You know, wow, isn't this great?

00:18:14.000 You can smoke pot.

00:18:15.000 Hey, guess what, guys?

00:18:16.000 No rules.

00:18:17.000 We can do whatever you want.

00:18:18.000 It's not so much about the freedom to do whatever you want, it's the liberty to do whatever you want.

00:18:23.000 And that involves responsibility that in order to ensure that you can do and have a wide range of options, you're worthy of those options.

00:18:31.000 It's sort of like, you know, when you're growing up as a kid and you get to drive the car when you're 16 and then.

00:18:36.000 Maybe you get to have a job when you're 18 or whatever.

00:18:39.000 As you become more mature and you can handle responsibility, you get more privileges.

00:18:43.000 But the modern right and the modern left, I guess the whole globalist spectrum, wants it so that all people are just slaves to their whims, slaves to their desires.

00:18:54.000 And in a way that allows them, I think, to be harnessed or enslaved by the corporate globalist establishment in a lot of ways.

00:19:03.000 That's a very good way of putting it.

00:19:05.000 And to me, liberty without consequences is just degeneracy.

00:19:09.000 I mean, I have no problem.

00:19:10.000 Be as free as you want.

00:19:11.000 Be as free as you want.

00:19:12.000 Just don't ask me to subsidize your bad decisions, just as I will not ask you or demand or force you to subsidize my bad decisions.

00:19:20.000 You know, we all need to guide ourselves by positive, negative consequences and by principles.

00:19:24.000 And it's kind of a mix of those.

00:19:26.000 And my concern has always been that when negative consequences are diminished to the point now where, I mean, the people who are pro abortion, they're not even sort of saying, well, you know, it is troubling, but, you know, it's just like, well, it's a right.

00:19:38.000 You know, it's like, well, as an old Reagan line says, I can't help but notice that everybody who debates abortion has benefited from it not being inflicted upon them.

00:19:45.000 But it's not even like, well, it's troubling and there are health consequences later in life and it contributes to depression and so on.

00:19:51.000 And generally, it's the people who, well, so there's all these negative consequences, but they're not discussed.

00:19:56.000 And now, to the point where if you even say to people, well, you should at least pay for your own abortion, you're keeping health care.

00:20:02.000 Oh, it's like, no, it's not health care.

00:20:04.000 A fetus is not a disease, it's not a cancer.

00:20:06.000 It's going to grow, but it's not going to kill you.

00:20:08.000 So, this idea that taking a human life in your womb is somehow curing you of this to me is very strange.

00:20:16.000 And it's become really to the point where anytime you talk about Negative consequences accruing to the people who've made bad decisions.

00:20:24.000 The leftists say, well, of course, somehow it's all environmental.

00:20:27.000 They have no free will.

00:20:27.000 They have no choice.

00:20:28.000 They can't understand the consequences of their actions.

00:20:30.000 So they can't use a condom, but they can vote for complex foreign policy initiatives.

00:20:34.000 You know, it makes no, like, democracy plus no agency is a complete contradiction.

00:20:39.000 If people have the right to vote, then they are responsible.

00:20:42.000 They're far seeing. 0.99

00:20:43.000 They're, you know, in which case they can use a damn condom or something else. 1.00

00:20:43.000 They're thoughtful. 1.00

00:20:47.000 Or this contradiction never seems to be addressed on the left.

00:20:50.000 People have no agency that is victims, leaves blown around by circumstances, can't think for themselves, can't plan, can't defer gratification.

00:20:57.000 But they sure can vote on environmental policy now, can't they?

00:20:59.000 It's like, pick one.

00:21:01.000 Yeah.

00:21:02.000 Well, it's such an ugly world.

00:21:04.000 It's such an ugly, ugly, disturbing world that these people inhabit that, you know, everything that Western civilization was about, whether it was great art, great achievement, you know, the glorifying of the physical and the mental form, they've degraded it to the lowest possible level.

00:21:20.000 And just about everything you can look at, whether it's the architecture, you know, I went to.

00:21:25.000 Boston University.

00:21:26.000 And if anybody's ever been to Boston University or been on the campus or seen it, you can Google it for yourself.

00:21:32.000 The buildings are ugly. 0.56

00:21:33.000 It's the ugliest campus you would ever see in your whole life.

00:21:36.000 And it's the postmodern globalist architecture that stripped away all the culture, stripped away all the heritage, and said, look at this brutalistic, crude, you know, we could pick this up and put it down anywhere else in the world and it would be the same.

00:21:49.000 It's like the architect, I got a great idea.

00:21:51.000 We'll take a Kleenex box and we'll marry it to an ice cube tray.

00:21:55.000 It's going to be beautiful.

00:21:57.000 Yeah, yeah, right, exactly.

00:21:58.000 And they think that that's somehow an improvement, right?

00:22:01.000 And you go down to the McDonald's, this is another, this is sort of a personal analogy, but on this campus, you have all the postmodern, ugly architecture.

00:22:09.000 You have one of the cultural monuments around the campus.

00:22:12.000 And people don't believe this when I tell them, but one of the things that they talk about in the orientation and everything is they have a giant neon sit go sign that towers above the campus.

00:22:23.000 And we all sort of live in the shadow of the giant neon sit go sign.

00:22:26.000 And I'm sitting in the McDonald's across the street with this postmodern architecture.

00:22:31.000 In the shadow of the giant neon sitco sign, you have homeless people wandering the campus, people of all different races speaking all different languages.

00:22:39.000 No one can communicate with each other.

00:22:41.000 I'm grabbing my Grand Mac by both hands and I'm thinking to myself, you know, like, is this an improvement?

00:22:48.000 Is this supposed to be progress?

00:22:50.000 They tell us that, you know, we're the progressives.

00:22:50.000 Is this the future?

00:22:53.000 This is the way the future is the free market, the capitalism, the corporations, the multiculturalism.

00:23:00.000 And it's almost like a dystopia. 0.80

00:23:01.000 It looks a lot more like that.

00:23:03.000 That Harrison Ford movie, what's the one with all the robots from the movie?

00:23:08.000 Yeah, right.

00:23:09.000 It's like this urban dystopia.

00:23:09.000 It's like Blade Runner.

00:23:13.000 And I'm thinking to myself, you know, you think back to the glories, you look to the Palace of Versailles or some of the villages in Europe and what once was Western civilization.

00:23:23.000 And it's not so much even the, you know, as I've grown older, I've seen that culturally, globalism is devastating to just the quality of life.

00:23:33.000 Forget the fact that maybe people have nicer cars, they might have more air conditioning, more rooms in their houses, they have all the cool gadgets to distract them from just the really Horrible quality of life that we've created for ourselves.

00:23:44.000 Like we're in this, in, I don't even know what you'd call it, like we're pets.

00:23:50.000 Well, yeah, we're kind of in the mind of a crazy person because one of the things that I miss, I have it in my own life, Nick, but I miss seeing it in the world.

00:23:57.000 I miss seeing beauty and I miss seeing joy.

00:24:01.000 And the scrubbing of beauty and joy from the landscape, you know, everything from modern art to like horrible plays.

00:24:07.000 I remember the first time I watched Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, I'm like, man, if I was at this dinner party, I'd Chew my way out through the walls just to get away from these people.

00:24:16.000 Why would I pay to watch this streetcar named Design?

00:24:18.000 Like the beauty and the joy.

00:24:20.000 And it seems to have become now that beauty is like, well, privilege.

00:24:26.000 You can't enjoy beauty because there's ugliness in the world.

00:24:31.000 You can't enjoy good food because there's hungry people in the world.

00:24:34.000 You can't enjoy happiness because there are unhappy people in the world.

00:24:37.000 And every time we try to look up and be ennobled or energized by some higher ideal, It seems like all of the depressed, anxious, negative people like scurry up like fire ants up your leg with their little pincers just to take away your happiness.

00:24:52.000 Well, you only have this because of privilege and because you're white and because of this.

00:24:55.000 And it's like then you've just, it's like this weird pathological hyper Calvinism where it's like any possible joy is a sin against the gods of political correctness.

00:25:03.000 And I really miss, because that was still around when I was a kid.

00:25:07.000 It was being kind of scrubbed out of England with the creeping socialism and so on, but it was still around when I was a little kid.

00:25:12.000 There was joy, there was joy.

00:25:14.000 Pride, there was a feeling of community, of solidarity, of nationalism.

00:25:20.000 And it's so been scrubbed now that any kind of happiness appears to be an affront for the miserable specimens that seem to be in control of public discourse these days. 1.00

00:25:31.000 Yeah, well, it's the triumph of sclavin morale, right? 1.00

00:25:33.000 It's slave morality that everything that's great must be dragged back down to the earth and crushed. 0.99

00:25:39.000 And it's so true what you're saying about how beauty and joy have been scrubbed away.

00:25:44.000 As a young person, speaking as a young person, You know, I look around at my peers.

00:25:49.000 I look around at the people that we recently graduated from high school.

00:25:52.000 And you look at the epidemic of young people killing themselves and becoming addicted to opioids or abusing alcohol and dying from that.

00:26:00.000 And people, all the moms on NBC and, you know, on the Today Show, they'll say, well, you know, it's the latest drug trend that's sweeping the nation.

00:26:07.000 And why is it happening?

00:26:09.000 And, you know, they'll attribute it to whatever cause.

00:26:12.000 But I look into the souls of the people that are taken by this, by this disease.

00:26:17.000 I think it's really globalism.

00:26:18.000 My own peers.

00:26:19.000 And it's really just a loss of meaning in their lives.

00:26:22.000 They have nothing to live for.

00:26:23.000 We've taken away God.

00:26:25.000 We've taken away the nation. 1.00

00:26:26.000 We've taken away the race. 1.00

00:26:27.000 We've taken away the community, the history. 1.00

00:26:30.000 And strip away all of that.

00:26:31.000 Strip away every community larger than yourself to devote your life to.

00:26:37.000 I really started to turn against individualism when I saw that the individual life is not very fulfilling on its own.

00:26:37.000 And what do you have?

00:26:45.000 You know, I came from this very libertarian position, and I still am to an extent.

00:26:49.000 I do believe in individual liberty, but I think that.

00:26:52.000 The human animal is a social animal.

00:26:54.000 And in our society, what value does one individual have in his 100 years?

00:27:00.000 You're going to get really wealthy.

00:27:01.000 You're going to buy a really nice beach house. 0.99

00:27:03.000 You're going to have sex with a beautiful woman.

00:27:06.000 Contrasted with, you know, while the nationalism may have been a really horrible thing in the world wars, giving your life for your country, giving your life for your God, for your children, for posterity.

00:27:16.000 And the young people that are coming out of high school to be crushed by college debt, to be crushed in the corporate world, to do marketing for 60 years and then retire and maybe buy a boat.

00:27:27.000 I mean, why wouldn't you kill yourself if life is suffering and you're just waiting to get a boat to take the edge off?

00:27:33.000 You know, why wouldn't you expedite that process?

00:27:35.000 We've, Stripped away all the meaning, the beauty, the joy out of life.

00:27:38.000 And the young people say it's not true, but I mean, you can tell the difference when you actually look at the statistics.

00:27:44.000 I mean, well, there's a great, yeah.

00:27:44.000 Yeah.

00:27:48.000 But community, I mean, this is a very, very powerful concept and idea. 0.84

00:27:54.000 So when I grew up, I grew up on a council estate. 0.98

00:27:58.000 It was poor, but you know, that old, we're poor, but at least we have each other. 1.00

00:28:01.000 You know, it was poor, but I could go out after school, I could play for hours.

00:28:07.000 I could go meet up friends.

00:28:08.000 We could have spontaneous games.

00:28:09.000 We could go explore the woods.

00:28:11.000 We just roamed everywhere.

00:28:12.000 And this was from the age of like five or six onwards.

00:28:17.000 And there's a huge amount of unstructured playtime in my childhood.

00:28:22.000 And this is one of the reasons why for me negotiating and trying to find win win situations, because when kids are unattended, they have to negotiate with each other, they have to hammer out their differences.

00:28:31.000 And there's a lot of social enforcement there's no kiddie cops.

00:28:34.000 You know, there's no like, if somebody's cheating at a game, well, what do you do?

00:28:37.000 You ostracize them until they shape up.

00:28:40.000 Right.

00:28:40.000 So you get this self regulating, self contained community of kids where the mean kids, the sucky kids, the cheaty kids, they're ostracized and then they sort it out.

00:28:50.000 And they usually, I mean, nine times out of 10 or 99 times out of 100, they'll sort things out.

00:28:55.000 You'll figure things out.

00:28:56.000 You know, you have your fights and then you shake hands and you move along.

00:28:59.000 And you don't need some big giant external authority to make that kind of kid society work.

00:29:07.000 I think kids desperately miss that now.

00:29:09.000 Unstructured play.

00:29:11.000 In nature, in particular, is one of the things significantly associated with growing up believing in sort of freedom and so on.

00:29:16.000 Because if you can self regulate a society of seven year old kids, like 20 of them all playing a game, yes, you can self regulate a society.

00:29:23.000 You don't need a big giant state and court systems and all that to mediate every human dispute.

00:29:28.000 That has all gone because community is about two things it's about risk and it's about at least ideological homogeneity.

00:29:35.000 There has to be some commonality of belief in order for you to be able to negotiate your differences, and there has to be some risk of non conformance.

00:29:44.000 Now, the risk has been taken away by the welfare state because in the past, if you decided to, you had a kid out of wedlock and so on, well, your life was terrible.

00:29:51.000 You know, no guy would marry you.

00:29:52.000 You'd be shunned from polite society.

00:29:54.000 The same thing used to happen, interestingly, if people got divorced for virtually no reason. 0.55

00:29:58.000 Like if there was some god awful thing, you know, oh, he got a brain injury and he turned into a psychopath.

00:30:01.000 It's like, okay, well, that's bad, but, you know, we understand the railway spike might have overridden your gold ring.

00:30:08.000 But for the most part, if people just had an affair or just, you know, well, I'm bored, I'm, you know, I'm unsatisfied, I'm going to, Take off with this Spanish sculptor from down the road, then people use, like, you couldn't do that because you would no longer be part of society.

00:30:20.000 Your kids wouldn't get invitations anywhere.

00:30:22.000 There used to be this amazing self regulation of society.

00:30:26.000 Now the risk has all been taken away.

00:30:28.000 You can have a child out of wedlock, you can get divorced, you're probably going to end up better off financially.

00:30:32.000 And so society can't sustain ostracism when ostracism is outlawed, and ostracism is outlawed when you're forced to subsidize other people's bad decisions.

00:30:41.000 And so, you know, with this massive redistribution of income and the welfare state, it has fundamentally unraveled everything that took.

00:30:49.000 I guess now we're talking 300,000 years.

00:30:51.000 They just found another older human being.

00:30:54.000 And it'll be talking like 300,000 years of intense social pressure and development to develop these mechanisms of enforcement without centralized authority.

00:31:02.000 And it's taken like 50 years to fundamentally unravel that basic thing.

00:31:06.000 And you've got no community and no homogeneity that you can be comfortable with.

00:31:11.000 And what do you have left?

00:31:14.000 Well, it's true.

00:31:14.000 We've taken away all the mechanisms by which a community, which is like a living organism, would remove the waste.

00:31:21.000 And that's sort of something that the globalists, the neoliberals, they want to strip away all the pain, all the ills, all the negative.

00:31:27.000 But you need that.

00:31:28.000 I mean, could you imagine if, as a human person, you know, it's not the most pleasant thing in the world.

00:31:33.000 To go to the bathroom.

00:31:34.000 Could you imagine if you just taped everything up down there and you didn't let the waste go? 1.00

00:31:38.000 I mean, that's sort of what we've done with people in a society the people that are born out of wet, like, well, it's fine. 1.00

00:31:45.000 They just made a mistake and it's okay. 0.99

00:31:47.000 Look, it's great.

00:31:48.000 And you create sort of a moral hazard.

00:31:50.000 I think that's a big part of globalism too the moral hazard that you're right.

00:31:54.000 When you strip away the disincentives, when you strip away the consequences for actions, you know, there's no reason for anybody to have any agency.

00:32:01.000 Why would you?

00:32:02.000 You know, if you want to be a A video game designer, or you want to write comic books for a living, or you want to have a kid out of wedlock, or you want to be a sex worker or something, what's the negative consequence?

00:32:14.000 Is there anybody that's going to judge you?

00:32:16.000 Well, no, I mean, judgment is wrong, right?

00:32:18.000 We're all just these flesh units that are supposed to toil endlessly to pay our debts and pay for our cars and watch television.

00:32:25.000 We've really stripped away the essence, the soul of society.

00:32:30.000 And someone that really turned me on to that idea was Jordan Peterson, and he turned me on to the book, Modern Man in Search of a Soul by Carl Jung.

00:32:38.000 And I read that and he said that, you know, we've really gotten away from the idea that man is anything more than just this automaton that we're just supposed to work and work and work and for nothing, though.

00:32:50.000 We have this life, we're here on this earth, but for no reason, though.

00:32:54.000 And we're just supposed to get over that.

00:32:56.000 You know, we're just supposed to get over the death of God, the death of nation, and, you know, find something to keep us occupied like collecting stamps or, you know, doing a marketing job.

00:33:05.000 It doesn't work.

00:33:06.000 And One of the biggest problems is not so much just the little things in our society that are wrong.

00:33:11.000 The Republicans will say, we have a big debt, or, well, you know, we just have to fix the health care system.

00:33:17.000 We have a society which is fundamentally dysfunctional and will collapse and break if we don't fix it in the areas where government can't just put a bandage on it, can't just tape it up.

00:33:28.000 It's something that really, and one of your quotes, one of your quotes, which I loved, I forget, I saw it on a meme once, but honestly, it was one of the most intuitive things I heard.

00:33:39.000 But you said, trying to change society without Changing the family is trying to move a shadow without moving the statue.

00:33:46.000 And that spoke to me because it's so true.

00:33:48.000 What is a society or a country without its composite elements, which are good people and good families?

00:33:54.000 And so, you know, if we don't fix the people inside the machine, you can't fix the society.

00:33:59.000 Yeah, I was just reading about how I think the number one cause of death for people in America under 50 is drug overdose.

00:34:06.000 I mean, that is so astonishing to me.

00:34:10.000 I mean, in a way, yes, you look in hindsight, it's kind of inevitable, but even though I predicted.

00:34:13.000 Some of these things, you know, when the facts manifest, it's like, I think there's a ghost over there.

00:34:18.000 Oh, no, there is a ghost, you know.

00:34:20.000 And it's kind of weird because, and I think, and I know, particularly for white people, I mean, the life expectancy is just cratering and addictions are rampant. 0.67

00:34:30.000 And I think, I don't know if it's just a white thing or, you know, I don't know what, but I think when you live in a society that is fundamentally unsustainable, it's really, really tough to plan for the long term.

00:34:41.000 Like I talked about this with Bill Whittle a while back ago.

00:34:43.000 Just, you're growing up in the shadow of the Cold War.

00:34:46.000 It's like, hey, is that a bird whistling or is that.

00:34:48.000 A bomb landing to end civilization as we know it.

00:34:51.000 And it was really tough to sort of say, okay, well, I'm going to defer gratification.

00:34:54.000 I'm going to knuckle down.

00:34:55.000 I'm going to work hard and so on.

00:34:57.000 And I think there's something now that the end is inside.

00:35:01.000 I mean, the end of whatever ride we're on, I think it's in my sight.

00:35:05.000 For sure, it's in yours.

00:35:06.000 Sorry about that.

00:35:06.000 But, you know, we're working what we can to fix it.

00:35:08.000 Good luck with all that.

00:35:10.000 But the end is in sight.

00:35:11.000 I mean, the unfunded liabilities north of $150 trillion.

00:35:15.000 I mean, the end is in sight.

00:35:18.000 And there's going to have to be, it's either a soft landing or it's a hard landing.

00:35:21.000 Like, it's either a negotiated landing or it's a wheels up, nose, 90 degrees down kind of landing.

00:35:27.000 And I think people are waiting for the end times, so to speak.

00:35:31.000 You know, I mean, some of the more extremist.

00:35:33.000 Religious ideologies like the end is imminent, the end times are imminent.

00:35:37.000 So, I'm not sure I'm going to go to the dentist this month because, you know, someone's going to come and fix my teeth supernaturally. 0.95

00:35:42.000 But I think that feeling of mathematical inevitability of an unsustainable system has got a whole lot of people, in a sense, circling the drain.

00:35:50.000 Like, why bother?

00:35:51.000 Why get involved?

00:35:52.000 And particularly the smarter people who see the challenge coming up ahead are saying, kids, well, you know, that just could be, in a sense, hostages to fortune for my future.

00:36:01.000 And that to me is a very, very tragic place for society to be in.

00:36:08.000 Well, yeah, there is this sense of doom.

00:36:10.000 There's a sense of dread.

00:36:11.000 And particularly for people that know what's going on, you know, for people that have seen the charts and the graphics and all the things that the normies don't really concern themselves with, for people that see the picture in a mathematical way, just how you're just not going to be able to make it work, there is this sense of peril that we're in in our lives and in our society.

00:36:32.000 People ask me all the time, you know, the complete degenerates that I graduated with from high school ask me all the time, you know, Nick, why are you angry sometimes?

00:36:41.000 Why are you reading books?

00:36:42.000 Why don't you come out and hang out with us?

00:36:44.000 Why are you reading books all night?

00:36:46.000 For people that don't understand, it's like even if we did everything in our power to reverse and we did everything right and everything to reverse the course in the exact right direction, still would probably come up short. 0.87

00:37:00.000 And you still have the majority of the population that are going to watch the female Ghostbusters and the majority of the population that are tweeting, you know, hey, that London terror attack was really bad, but how about all the Islamophobia that the Muslim invaders are going to experience?

00:37:14.000 And you realize that. 0.54

00:37:16.000 When the majority of the population is just so committed, the momentum, the inertia is just so in the wrong direction, it is sort of a hopelessness.

00:37:25.000 You know, I have to get my wisdom teeth out probably.

00:37:27.000 I don't think I'm going to do it because, you know, either in 40 years, my consciousness will be uploaded to some hive mind, like Alex Jones says, or there's going to be some horrible interstate war going on here.

00:37:40.000 So, you know, why do it?

00:37:42.000 But it's true.

00:37:43.000 There is a sense of dread for people that know what's going on.

00:37:47.000 I take faith in the idea that.

00:37:50.000 We've stared at the brink before.

00:37:52.000 You know, we stared at the brink.

00:37:54.000 Could you imagine after the Great War?

00:37:56.000 And then, oh my God, 10 years later, there's another Great War.

00:37:59.000 And then, oh, wait a minute, there's an empire that has a thousand nuclear warheads pointed at us.

00:38:04.000 But those crises were of a fundamentally different nature.

00:38:08.000 Whereas those were existential, those were outside.

00:38:11.000 This threat is inside.

00:38:12.000 It's a cancer of the body, you know.

00:38:14.000 And so I think that's why it's very tough for people that understand what's going on to really have the same energy, to have that sense of urgency when you're exactly right.

00:38:23.000 They're looking in the face.

00:38:25.000 Of impending death.

00:38:26.000 They're looking at essentially the light of God and saying, you know, what difference does it really make if I go out and exert myself like Sisyphus, rolling the stone up the mountain, just have it roll back down again?

00:38:37.000 And, you know, some Jim Comey testimony blows it up and we don't even have Trump anymore.

00:38:41.000 I mean, what's that going to look like in 10 years?

00:38:43.000 But I'm keeping the faith.

00:38:45.000 I'm trying my best.

00:38:46.000 But you're right, it's difficult for us who know what's going on.

00:38:49.000 Yeah, I think the West has never faced, and it's an overused phrase in existential danger, but the West has never faced such an existential danger, I think, as it faces now.

00:38:59.000 Which is the downside.

00:39:00.000 The upside is we've never had this kind of technology before to spread information.

00:39:04.000 This is, in a sense, the great glory and the great bummer of the internet.

00:39:07.000 Because with no internet, they'd be like, well, you know, I can stuff my little hand typed manifesto into people's mailboxes, but, you know, there's no hope, right?

00:39:16.000 Because the internet gives us this enormous power and hope and potential, which is great and sucks a little too, because, you know, you can't give up.

00:39:26.000 That's the problem.

00:39:29.000 There is will and there is means and there is methodologies to fight the good fight.

00:39:29.000 Give up.

00:39:33.000 And so I'm very glad that there's the internet, even though every now and then it'd be like, oh, yeah, good.

00:39:38.000 Twitter, huh?

00:39:39.000 Good news, good news, good news, good news.

00:39:41.000 You know, so I mean, it is something that is so fundamentally transformational that you can't step aside because there is hope.

00:39:49.000 And if there is hope, it is in the data packets.

00:39:53.000 Yeah, well, it's true.

00:39:54.000 And someone like me who was, I mean, you wouldn't have believed that.

00:39:57.000 I know a lot of people wouldn't have believed it who knew me well.

00:40:00.000 In high school, I was.

00:40:01.000 The Milton Friedman guy.

00:40:03.000 If anyone had an argument about why there should be social wealth or whatever, there I'd be with the free to choose lecture series chopped and pasted, ready to go.

00:40:13.000 And if there's hope for someone like me who is so ideologically convinced that this was a direction that could have sustained itself, if only we passed a couple of bills and maybe had a constitutional convention, I think there is hope that we can convert people.

00:40:27.000 And I saw on Twitter there were some articles somebody posted where you only need 10%.

00:40:32.000 You only need to convince 10%.

00:40:34.000 Of the population of an idea and have them really convinced to change the whole zeitgeist.

00:40:39.000 And, you know, you look at the American founding, it was only about a third of the people that were really patriots fighting for independence.

00:40:44.000 And, you know, hopefully with the tools that we have, with the will that we have, we'll do it.

00:40:49.000 But the more that I've gotten older, and I'm not very old, but the more that I have gotten older, I've sort of seen that it is up to people succeeding.

00:40:58.000 It's not like it's this destiny, it's this fate where, well, you know, everything's going to work itself out.

00:41:03.000 Even if, well, you hit the snooze on the alarm clock and, well, you don't really write that book so well.

00:41:09.000 Everything will still work itself out.

00:41:10.000 When you see the pictures and the videos of the migrants pouring into Europe and the riots in Paris, and you see just how huge the amount of money is that we owe in debt and all these different catastrophes, you quickly realize that it is up to every one of us who knows to pull as much as we can.

00:41:29.000 And hopefully that will be sufficient.

00:41:31.000 But I think that's what I've learned growing up it's on every person.

00:41:35.000 And that's why people ask, why do we do this?

00:41:39.000 To regular people, we seem like we're crazy.

00:41:41.000 You know, why are you yelling at the camera, Stefan, for an hour about philosophy? 0.52

00:41:45.000 Nick, why are you filming a show in your basement telling people about, you know, Muslim terror attacks and only a thousand people watch your show? 0.99

00:41:52.000 Well, it's because if everybody's doing as much as they can, you know, maybe we could write this shit, but hopefully it'll be worth it. 0.99

00:41:59.000 Hopefully we'll write everything and people will thank us for it. 0.98

00:42:04.000 Maybe, maybe not.

00:42:05.000 The good news is that if it wasn't so tough, I'd probably be doing something else that was tougher because I enjoy the biggest challenges around.

00:42:12.000 And yeah, it doesn't take a lot of people.

00:42:13.000 And this is the funny thing, too.

00:42:15.000 When people.

00:42:18.000 Communicate over the internet.

00:42:21.000 Sometimes it feels like you're flying over fields, throwing seeds out the window, right?

00:42:26.000 But here's the thing you never know who the great person is that you're just gonna light up.

00:42:34.000 And they may be a person, they may be somebody with me, right?

00:42:37.000 Maybe you're gonna end up being a billion times more successful than me.

00:42:40.000 You have like all the charisma in the known universe.

00:42:43.000 And in which case, you know, the work that I've done has some influence on you.

00:42:45.000 Fantastic.

00:42:46.000 It may be somebody after you.

00:42:47.000 You don't know somebody who's got a lot of resources, somebody who's just incredibly charismatic, incredibly well spoken, maybe really hands-I don't know.

00:42:53.000 But you don't know exactly what's going to happen.

00:42:56.000 And that's why you do, that's why we have to do the work that we do, because we do have an airplane, we do have a whole load of seeds, and the fertile soil can really change things.

00:43:05.000 The analogy of the farming is, you know, corn is only so much.

00:43:08.000 But the Pareto principle, we know that somebody who's really brilliant, look back at the history of philosophy, we're talking only 20 people, maybe.

00:43:15.000 Certainly Western philosophy, 20 people, you could argue down to 15, mostly men.

00:43:20.000 So if those 15 people had said, I don't really feel like doing it, we'd live in an entirely different planet.

00:43:26.000 And you have to do the very best.

00:43:28.000 And with what you have, And that's something that is new.

00:43:32.000 And I know I was thinking about this because I want to ask you about your experience, Nick, of your own generation.

00:43:37.000 Because I was thinking back, I'm in this half century mark where I'm like a salmon going back upstream to all of my early memories.

00:43:43.000 I'm going to, it's either going to have to write a memoir or something like that.

00:43:46.000 But I was thinking about all of my friends in junior high school and high school.

00:43:51.000 I was running through them.

00:43:52.000 It's like, okay, well, that person, they kind of did their own thing.

00:43:54.000 That person, I never got married.

00:43:56.000 That person, nope, never had kids.

00:43:57.000 They are all very smart people and all have done very well professionally.

00:44:02.000 But I would say less than 25%, maybe 30% of them got married and had kids.

00:44:06.000 And that is something that's very, very unprecedented throughout most of human history.

00:44:13.000 I mean, people, the birth rate was higher during the Second World War than it is in the West at the moment, at least among whites.

00:44:20.000 And that level of hedonism is funny because hedonism provokes degeneracy, which provokes debt, which provokes more hedonism.

00:44:26.000 It's this kind of vicious cycle.

00:44:27.000 So, what is your experience of your generation?

00:44:32.000 I don't have, obviously, a big View into it.

00:44:34.000 My daughter's a lot younger than you, and I'm a lot older.

00:44:36.000 I don't have a good horizontal view of that, but I've heard that there's a conservative streak or a more traditionalist streak among the younger people.

00:44:45.000 It's tough to gauge, you know, because I am really just on the cusp, but I definitely think there is something to that.

00:44:50.000 You know, people do say that Generation Z is more conservative and is more traditional.

00:44:55.000 And I think that part of the maybe the benefit, I don't know if it's a benefit, but part of the perk of maybe all the degeneracy that it saturates the culture, just how much of it there is, is.

00:45:06.000 I think Generation Z, when they grow up with Miley Cyrus on television, whereas with previous generations, they see that at the age of 10 or 13 and they say, you know, wow, that's something.

00:45:17.000 That's really novel.

00:45:18.000 I think one of the benefits, maybe, of having it be so saturated, maybe it will break the cycle because you see a lot of the younger people growing up with that as a norm and they say, yeah, okay, you have your Miley Cyrus, but maybe let's pursue something a little bit more meaningful.

00:45:32.000 And I think that you see, especially with the internet and, you know, just sort of how empty and how vapid.

00:45:39.000 What the degenerate globalist culture has to offer.

00:45:41.000 I think that's pushing people back in a more traditional lifestyle and they're sort of rediscovering it for themselves.

00:45:48.000 And so I will say there is something to that.

00:45:50.000 I could definitely see that happening.

00:45:52.000 And obviously, time will tell how they'll grow up.

00:45:55.000 But I see that starting with a lot of my peers in high school, where there is a little bit more monogamy, there is a little bit more of an eye towards the future, towards saving, towards posterity.

00:46:05.000 They say that the hard times create the strong men, the easy times create the weak men.

00:46:11.000 I think we're in a hard time right now, whether it be the recession, whether it be demographically, culturally.

00:46:16.000 Hopefully, that's creating a new generation of strong men.

00:46:18.000 I think we are seeing the roots of that.

00:46:21.000 Hopefully, the establishment doesn't do anything to thwart that, because we know that if the establishment is good at anything, it's thwarting that sort of beautiful development, that sort of progress in the right direction.

00:46:31.000 So, hopefully, we'll see that.

00:46:33.000 And we do see that in places like in Russia, in Poland, in some of the more traditional societies where you see sort of a new beginning where Christianity, Is having a rebirth even in Asia and in South Korea and Russia.

00:46:45.000 Hopefully, we'll see that in America.

00:46:47.000 And I think that the more that people see less meaning in the wealth and the material world, I think they'll start to turn towards posterity and towards the heavenly world and hopefully back to where Western civilization was 500 years ago.

00:47:01.000 So I think you're definitely onto something there.

00:47:03.000 The number of lies, I think, that are being exposed, you know, to water wears away the stone and time wears away the government lies.

00:47:12.000 And when there is this first flush of enthusiasm with government solutions, like, oh, you know, we're going to borrow all this money.

00:47:20.000 And we're going to throw it at poor people and everyone's going to become wealthy.

00:47:24.000 Now, of course, when people see poor people getting more stuff and the taxes don't go up, right?

00:47:30.000 The big sixties thing, right?

00:47:31.000 It drove off the debt.

00:47:32.000 You wanted a welfare war for a state at the same time.

00:47:34.000 Nobody has to make any sacrifices.

00:47:35.000 So it seems like magic.

00:47:37.000 We should have done this before.

00:47:38.000 You know, it's like the guy who's like, wow, I have a credit card.

00:47:41.000 Why did I bother going to work?

00:47:42.000 I could just put things on the, I should have thought of this.

00:47:44.000 This little card is way better than going to mowing lawns for a living.

00:47:48.000 And so I think people had this magic fantasy land of, Poverty is going to be solved by the welfare state or racial tensions are going to be solved by affirmative action or, you know, all of this racial preference in quotas.

00:48:00.000 And I think it was Eric Holder a couple of years ago was talking about affirmative action.

00:48:05.000 And, uh, because it was originally never going to be a quota system, you know, just like the 1965 Immigration Act was never going to change American demographics.

00:48:12.000 So it's never going to be a quota system.

00:48:13.000 Of course, it immediately becomes a quota system.

00:48:16.000 And somebody was asking Eric Holder, this is 50 years into affirmative action, uh, saying, you know, any chance this could, Wind down at any point, and he's like, affirmative action.

00:48:25.000 Man, we barely even started, we've barely even scratched the surface.

00:48:28.000 And it's just like, oh, A, that's not how it was sold, and B, are you kidding me?

00:48:32.000 I mean, how many trillions of dollars?

00:48:33.000 Anyway, so I think this idea that sexual liberation is going to make everyone happy in society. 0.81

00:48:40.000 Well, STDs, unwanted pregnancies, broken families, you know, a massive welfare state, single mom households.

00:48:47.000 Single moms are noble heroes just out to do the very best for their children. 0.53

00:48:50.000 Well, no, massive dysfunction in the kids of single mother households and so on, drug addiction, criminality. 0.97

00:48:57.000 Promiscuity, addictions of various kinds, and so on.

00:49:00.000 And so, all of these diversity is a strength.

00:49:03.000 It's like, well, of course, it's a strength if all you do is import people who vote left, then yes, it's a strength for the left.

00:49:10.000 So, I think the number of lies that have come down is astonishing.

00:49:15.000 You know, like my daughter likes these domino videos on YouTube.

00:49:18.000 I don't know if you've ever seen them, like domino.

00:49:20.000 It's like that's as fast as the lies are just coming crashing down.

00:49:23.000 And the great danger of that, of course, Nick, is nihilism.

00:49:26.000 The great danger of that is, well, everything I've been told is a lie.

00:49:30.000 There's no such thing as truth. 0.58

00:49:32.000 I'm just going to stimulate my nerve endings like a monkey with an electrode until I die.

00:49:38.000 And I think our great challenge is to say, yes, everything that you've been told is a lie.

00:49:42.000 And the last thing that you see, the last domino that stands, is the truth.

00:49:47.000 Because if everything you've been told is a lie, you know now a lot of lies, which means you have some direction where the truth is.

00:49:53.000 And holding up to people the idea of objective truth, of moral truth, of things to sacrifice for.

00:50:00.000 of things to grow towards of nobility and beauty and honor.

00:50:04.000 Honor is a word you don't hear outside the military anymore, but there can't be any military for long in the honor if there's no military as a whole in the general population.

00:50:11.000 Affirmative action and chicks with guns.

00:50:13.000 Anyway, it's a whole other topic. 0.89

00:50:15.000 But I think that is our great challenge.

00:50:17.000 And this is one of the things that I really like about your show is there is a passion and there is a criticism, but you're also holding something up to say the last domino falls and you think that there's no hope, right?

00:50:27.000 It's like Pandora's chest, like you take out all these demons.

00:50:30.000 There is something After the lies fall, that we need to look at and absorb and start building towards.

00:50:37.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:50:38.000 And that's the reason my show is that way is because that's been my life as someone that's lived through the sludge.

00:50:44.000 And, you know, that's been my life as the television, as the broken education system, the recession, the government lies.

00:50:50.000 You know, I grew up and it was Bill Clinton and then Bush and then Obama and then finally we have Trump.

00:50:55.000 But, you know, I look at some of the older people that have at least had a Jack Kennedy.

00:50:59.000 They at least had that something to look forward to, something to even look back to as something that was truthful.

00:51:06.000 And that has been the story of my life is looking for what is the truth because there have been so many lies.

00:51:11.000 And so it has been, in a lot of ways, a personal odyssey for me and why.

00:51:15.000 It is sort of a personal struggle to help fellow, and I'm not going to pretend like I'm this great evangelist or anything like that, like I'm this great philanthropist, but just to tell my story that this has been my truth that I've been searching for, rather the objective truth I've been searching for, as you're right, as everything has come crumbling down around, because the majority of people that I talk to that believe the same things that I do, that have gone through the same journey, they are nihilistic.

00:51:41.000 They're nihilistic with Trump, and I see this on Twitter a lot with people that are so quick.

00:51:46.000 To throw in the towel.

00:51:47.000 I remember on the day of the serious strike, they said, you know what, that's it, it's over, forget about it, there's nothing to live for, everybody, you know, Trump's a globalist, whatever, I'm done.

00:51:56.000 I said, no, wait, just like, wait just a sec, there's still something there.

00:52:00.000 Let he who was without sin cast the first stone.

00:52:03.000 You tell me you've never made a mistake in your life, and then you get to criticize someone who I genuinely think made a mistake in that moment.

00:52:09.000 Stop listening to your daughter.

00:52:11.000 You know, why are you so concerned with the moat in your neighbor's eye when you're beaming your own eye?

00:52:16.000 I mean, that's something that people need to have some patience with, I think, with themselves and with others.

00:52:21.000 Oh, definitely.

00:52:21.000 Definitely.

00:52:22.000 Especially with the president and with the movement that's going on.

00:52:26.000 And I think there is a reason for that.

00:52:28.000 You know, it's not by accident that people are so quick to say, oh, well, it's all over.

00:52:32.000 Because realistically, for someone, you know, that's 19 or 20 or 21, and all they've seen their whole life is just lie after lie, betrayal after betrayal.

00:52:40.000 You know, George W. Bush let in 8 million immigrants.

00:52:44.000 This is a Republican.

00:52:45.000 This is supposedly a conservative.

00:52:47.000 You know, it makes sense, sort of like, I don't even know, they've been burned so many times, just down to a psychological level.

00:52:53.000 It's almost like an abused dog.

00:52:55.000 Sort of, you know, that they just sort of flinch whenever something happens.

00:52:58.000 But you're right, it is our task.

00:53:00.000 It is our job to offer something else, to offer the alternative, the replacement, because you're right, if we don't offer a substitute and we just tear down everything, you know, what is there left?

00:53:11.000 And that's essentially what happened in the beginning of the 20th century, which started all this madness we took down God, we took down all the superstitions, and we said, wow, look at how smart we are, look at how enlightened we are, without fully realizing the implications of what would happen.

00:53:27.000 In the absence of meaning, in the absence of a God to devote ourselves to.

00:53:30.000 And we just have to offer up those virtues that you talked about.

00:53:34.000 I think that's primarily why paganism hasn't appealed to a lot of people in the alt right, is, you know, because even the church has been subverted in a lot of ways by the globalists.

00:53:43.000 But we do have to offer something as an alternative to all the vapid lies, the sludge, the goop that we've been fed, you know, outside of television.

00:53:52.000 Well, and I think one of the great challenges is that we men are.

00:54:00.000 Genetic slash socialized to sacrifice. 0.88

00:54:04.000 Male disposability, right?

00:54:05.000 You've heard this a million times.

00:54:06.000 It's all over the place, right?

00:54:09.000 12,000 men have been mown down by Wonder Woman, but she split a nail and everyone's like, right?

00:54:14.000 So, men, when you ask a man to make a sacrifice, he's like, yep, how big, how much, how far?

00:54:20.000 One arm, two arms, head, whatever you need.

00:54:22.000 Just dial it up.

00:54:23.000 It's a buffet of male disposability. 0.97

00:54:25.000 The big challenge now, though, which is, I think, one of the greatest challenges that we're going to face as a civilization, is, you know, sorry, ladies, it's kind of your turn now. 0.87

00:54:33.000 Sorry, you know, I mean, you know, men have been doing it 300,000 years. 0.98

00:54:37.000 Not that women have never sacrificed and all of that, but sorry, ladies.

00:54:40.000 I know you love that welfare state. 1.00

00:54:42.000 I know you love it.

00:54:43.000 I know you feel like it's your second backup beta husbanding just in case the first one doesn't quite work out. 1.00

00:54:49.000 But you got to let it go because, unfortunately, it's a giant sticky trap for migrants. 1.00

00:54:53.000 You have to let the welfare state go. 1.00

00:54:55.000 I know you really love that job security in the government. 0.58

00:54:58.000 I mean, federal employees, significant numbers of women. 0.92

00:55:00.000 I know you love having these big pink ghettos of an HR department because of all the regulations and all the law. 0.99

00:55:05.000 But I'm sorry, we're going to have to shrink government, which means that more women than men statistically are going to have to be fired. 0.90

00:55:12.000 Like, there's a lot of things where.

00:55:14.000 The sacrifice that is so used to being shouldered by men, and frankly, I would actually rather just not have the welfare state that be sent off to die in World War II or something like that.

00:55:24.000 So it's not a huge sacrifice, but I don't know that women are as a whole that ready for something like that.

00:55:32.000 I don't think it's something that men can particularly solve.

00:55:34.000 We can talk about it and so on, but if the welfare state is drawing, you know, there's 700 million people on the move in the world, 700 million people on the move in the world, and Every single one of them, I've no doubt, would love to get into a Western-style welfare state situation where they can make 10 times or more without working what they would have been able to make scratching somewhere away in the desert.

00:55:56.000 So this is the giant, you know, it's the pot of honey that's bringing the people to disturb the picnic.

00:56:03.000 And so I think that the great challenge is saying to the women, sorry, you know, I mean, it's been 300,000 years of men getting their, you know, nads shot off. 0.51

00:56:11.000 And now I'm afraid you guys are going to have to take one for the team because it's going to be tough for you.

00:56:17.000 I don't know that there's a lot of preparation or people are kind of ready for that.

00:56:22.000 Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. 0.97

00:56:23.000 And that's, I think that's sort of why you've heard so much feminist propaganda for how many years is sort of as an inoculation against that.

00:56:31.000 And it's funny you mentioned that.

00:56:33.000 I talk about this a lot on my show about how, you know, the women, the gender roles for both men and women are biological.

00:56:41.000 The basic conservative argument about how, oh, well, you know, there's two sexes.

00:56:46.000 Have I triggered you, leftist?

00:56:48.000 You know, this is very easy to say there's only two biological sexes.

00:56:52.000 The next leap. 0.79

00:56:53.000 That the basic conservatives have to make is there are also biological gender roles. 0.83

00:56:58.000 And you look at the anatomy, you look at the bone structure, you look at everything else, and you're exactly right. 1.00

00:57:02.000 The women do have to cut it off a little bit and they have to return to where they were when we had a functional society because there just isn't one. 1.00

00:57:12.000 And I got in a big fight in a Starbucks at Boston University with like five different women about this. 1.00

00:57:17.000 You'd be surprised, I'm not so much of a catch in Boston, but I got into a big fight with about, you know, like five different women in a Starbucks.

00:57:24.000 Because they're telling me, hey, I want to grow up childless and not get married.

00:57:28.000 And what's wrong with that?

00:57:29.000 And I said, well, look, number one, you're going to be miserable.

00:57:31.000 Number two, this is not a functional country.

00:57:34.000 You know, everybody can complain about all the, you know, the sexism and everything else.

00:57:38.000 But if we don't get the fertility rates back up, if we don't, like you said, cut off the welfare state, if we don't have strong families, you know, there goes the country.

00:57:47.000 And the primary one I was talking to, I said, you know, look, you may say, rah, rah, rah, girl power, you know, you go see Wonder Woman, you wear your pink clothes. 0.76

00:57:55.000 Okay, that's great. 0.99

00:57:57.000 That propaganda that you're being fed, that message that you're regurgitating, it's not made by women.

00:58:02.000 It's not made by people that care about women or like women. 0.94

00:58:06.000 The feminist message was crafted by people who, if you look at the results of feminism, must hate women because it makes them miserable, it makes them poor, it makes them sad, and all the rest. 0.52

00:58:16.000 And so I think we just sort of have to convince them that it is ultimately to their benefit.

00:58:22.000 They're being used like pawns in the same way that a lot of men are in the grand game. 1.00

00:58:27.000 I mean, The feminist message somehow appeals to women that we're going to push you into the workforce. 1.00

00:58:32.000 We're going to push you into the battlefield. 1.00

00:58:34.000 We're going to push you into the fire first. 1.00

00:58:37.000 You know, there goes ladies and children first. 1.00

00:58:40.000 I remember one time some girl, she lost a bet she had to pay for dinner for me. 0.99

00:58:45.000 And I was like, wow, this is great. 1.00

00:58:47.000 Why do women want to give this up?

00:58:49.000 I'm just sitting here eating dinner. 1.00

00:58:50.000 I can order whatever I want.

00:58:51.000 I don't have to worry about finishing it or paying for it. 1.00

00:58:54.000 And they're getting pushed into the battlefield, into the cubicle, and they think that's pro woman. 1.00

00:59:00.000 We have to get the women on the same page as us. 0.97

00:59:02.000 It's true.

00:59:02.000 Well, and to me, and it's all just about not using force to prop up ideologies regarding this.

00:59:09.000 The more extreme elements of feminism desperately need the welfare state, they desperately need abortion and so on. 1.00

00:59:14.000 To cover up and to mask some of the differences that naturally accrue. 1.00

00:59:18.000 You know, if you get married, your wife gets pregnant, let's say you want three kids, if she wants to be a good mom, wants to stay home, wants to breastfeed and all that, recommended 12 to 18 months or whatever, like I'm sorry, that takes her out of the workforce for at least seven, eight years.

00:59:34.000 And then after that, as a stay at home dad, I mean, it's time consuming. 0.68

00:59:38.000 It's like it's your big number one job.

00:59:40.000 You don't get to have it all.

00:59:41.000 You don't get to have it all.

00:59:42.000 Now, if you borrow, if you print money, then you can have the illusion of having it all.

00:59:48.000 And that to me, uh, is the great lie. 0.51

00:59:50.000 Without massive subsidized wealth transfers, this ideology of, you know, absolute perfect, no matter what, consequentialistic egalitarianism between the genders. 0.74

01:00:00.000 And it all comes down to child raising.

01:00:01.000 Yeah. 0.51

01:00:02.000 If you don't want to have children, then you can do most of what a man can do.

01:00:05.000 There'll be some physical strength limitations.

01:00:07.000 But the other thing too, if you don't want to have children, don't expect or don't advocate for big old age pensions.

01:00:12.000 Cause that's another thing that's frustrating.

01:00:13.000 You know, I don't want to have kids, but I damn well better get my pension.

01:00:17.000 It's like, But you're not creating economic agents to pay for your pension when you get older.

01:00:23.000 All the people who want big giant social programs that need future taxpayers to fund them and don't have kids, I don't even know what to say.

01:00:31.000 I mean, how do you even explain two and two make four to people like that?

01:00:36.000 Yeah.

01:00:36.000 Well, yeah.

01:00:36.000 I mean, that's what Bastiat said, right?

01:00:38.000 Government's the great fiction by which everyone endeavors to live at the expense of everyone else.

01:00:43.000 And it's totally true.

01:00:44.000 And how do you explain to people that are on the government dole, that are having it all, or as you say, having the illusion of having it all, how do you explain to them?

01:00:52.000 Hey, you need to vote to not have the money.

01:00:55.000 You need to vote for the money to go away and all that.

01:00:58.000 I mean, that's a question I can't answer at my ripe old age of 18.

01:00:58.000 I don't know.

01:01:02.000 It's a little bit difficult, but we're going to have to.

01:01:05.000 You're absolutely right. 0.62

01:01:07.000 Nobody said to men, well, how does society function if you all get drafted and go to war?

01:01:11.000 How do your families continue to function?

01:01:13.000 How do the fields get planted and harvested if you are.

01:01:18.000 You know, stuff happens and everybody works it out.

01:01:20.000 Stuff happens.

01:01:21.000 Community emerges when risk.

01:01:23.000 Increases, community will magically emerge like Atlantis out of the sea.

01:01:27.000 When risk increases, people look and say, Well, how am I going to possibly make things work without the welfare state?

01:01:31.000 It's like, Do you know that people made things work in wartime, in plague?

01:01:37.000 They got together, they worked things out.

01:01:38.000 You can get together with your neighbors, you can all watch each other as kids while you go get a job, or you can find some great guy to take care of you.

01:01:45.000 You will find a way.

01:01:47.000 This idea that we've become so fragile and such a hibiscus that we can only operate in a tiny, narrow band of status subsidies is like, Come on.

01:01:54.000 We ruled the planet.

01:01:55.000 We're top of the food chain, and we didn't get that by being dependent on stolen money, for God's sakes.

01:02:00.000 I mean, we become so fragile, like, oh, it's with glass, you know?

01:02:03.000 It's like, no, you'll be fine.

01:02:05.000 You'll be fine.

01:02:06.000 It'll be tough, and you'll be better for it.

01:02:09.000 Oh, but Stefan, that's not easy, though.

01:02:12.000 I can't figure that out by clicking a button on Facebook.

01:02:15.000 So I don't want to hear about it.

01:02:17.000 But I mean, that's how we've raised people to become.

01:02:21.000 I mean, that's right.

01:02:22.000 That's what the public school system teaches or doesn't teach us.

01:02:25.000 Is the dependency.

01:02:26.000 And that's even what the parents teach when you have the helicopter moms and dads that don't teach children.

01:02:31.000 It goes back to when you're saying about how when children have their own independent play, they figure these things out.

01:02:37.000 You know, people don't have the ingenuity or the creativity or anything else anymore because they were taught put the square peg in the square hole, put the circle peg in the circle hole.

01:02:46.000 People are poor.

01:02:47.000 Government gives them money.

01:02:48.000 This is how this works.

01:02:49.000 Every problem has a government solution.

01:02:51.000 Everybody gets a trophy.

01:02:54.000 Yes, exactly.

01:02:54.000 Right.

01:02:55.000 And that's, you know, from cradle to grave, that's how we're taught to solve the problem.

01:02:59.000 So I think, you know, until we get back control of the education, I think it really starts with community, with the elders in the community taking back responsibility in terms of educating the kids and.

01:03:10.000 And having that sort of thing, teaching those values.

01:03:13.000 And they still have it, by the way, in a lot of the country.

01:03:16.000 And a lot of the country go down to some parts of the South or in the West.

01:03:19.000 You know, they still have that independence. 0.99

01:03:21.000 It's really once we get drawn into the cities, once we get drawn into the suburbia, the urban districts where you have no community, where you're just this multicultural slime, you know, then you get away from those values. 0.99

01:03:34.000 You know, because I don't think man was ever intended to live in a city. 0.98

01:03:37.000 You look at every city throughout history and the metropolis, I mean, the human zoo.

01:03:42.000 Right, exactly. 0.92

01:03:43.000 Whether it's, you know, what was the one that they destroyed in the Bible?

01:03:46.000 It was. 0.52

01:03:48.000 Gomorrah?

01:03:49.000 Yeah, yeah, Sodom and Gomorrah to, you know, Rome to every city.

01:03:53.000 It always doesn't end up so great.

01:03:55.000 So I think once we return to the fields where we were intended, you know, maybe then it could become a possibility.

01:04:02.000 I just wanted to mention for those who may have misheard you, he said, return to the fields, not return to the fields.

01:04:08.000 Returning to the fields is something that we'd be doing entirely too much of.

01:04:12.000 Nick, I really want to thank you for your time today.

01:04:13.000 I want to remind people, check out your show.

01:04:15.000 It is a great show.

01:04:17.000 You can get on Right Side Broadcasting Network.

01:04:19.000 That's youtube.com forward slash Right Side Radio.

01:04:23.000 The website, we can put all the links to this below, but just for those of you who are listening alone, Nicholas J. Fuentes, F U E N T E S dot com, and Twitter dot com forward slash Nick J. Fuentes.

01:04:33.000 A great chat.

01:04:34.000 I hope we can do it again soon.

01:04:36.000 And very, very best of luck with your broadcasting career.

01:04:38.000 I see bright things ahead of you, and not just the hope of universal morality, but a good career as well.

01:04:45.000 I appreciate it.

01:04:45.000 Thank you so much for having me.

01:04:46.000 It was a good time.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - June 19, 2017

The Next American Revolution - Nicholas J. Fuentes and Stefan Molyneux - 2017-06-19

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