00:00:06.000You're watching the Nicholas J. Fuentes Show.
00:00:08.000My name, of course, is Nicholas J. Fuentes.
00:00:10.000Tuesday was the fourth GOP presidential debate on Fox Business.
00:00:15.000It featured frontrunners Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and Rand Paul in its primetime showing.
00:00:24.000In its undercar to feature down from the primetime, Mike Huckabee, Chris Christie, alongside Rick Santorum, and Bobby Jindal.
00:00:31.000Now, this was probably one of the better debates out of the four so far.
00:00:35.000It was substantive, it was actually about the economy.
00:00:37.000The candidates got a chance to talk about their platforms, talk about things that Americans care about.
00:00:42.000A market improvement over the CNBC debate last week, probably one of the worst debates in the past 30 years.
00:00:54.000The first Fox debate, the first debate back in August, was scorned by Republicans and Democrats, especially Trump supporters.
00:01:02.000But since then, Fox Business has come a long way.
00:01:04.000We had 90 second answers, 60 second responses, really gave everyone a chance to talk about the issues, and I think everyone benefits the electorate and the candidates.
00:01:13.000Winners, the senators, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul.
00:01:17.000Rand Paul is probably one of the biggest winners percentage wise, I guess.
00:01:21.000He had a terrible showing in the first three debates.
00:02:07.000Having said that, it's been doing very well for him.
00:02:10.000He's been climbing in the polls, he defended his tax plan.
00:02:12.000This was overall a very big night for Marco Rubio.
00:02:15.000Now, the biggest winner out of all the senators was Ted Cruz.
00:02:19.000The most important debate, I think, of the night and probably of the campaign was a debate about defense spending.
00:02:24.000Now, Marco Rubio is introducing $1 trillion new dollars in defense spending.
00:02:30.000Rand Paul rightly pointed out that we already spend more than the next 10 countries on defense, and that Marco Rubio wants to add $1 trillion to that.
00:02:38.000He said, How can you be a fiscal conservative if you support more debt that we can't pay for?
00:03:13.000Now, he's been in the undercar debates for the past four debates, and he really has no prospects of.
00:03:18.000Getting into the prime time, which is unfortunate.
00:03:21.000He was on the offensive for the entire debate.
00:03:23.000He attacked Mike Huckabee, Chris Christie, and neither of them had an answer.
00:03:27.000Bobby Jindal played the card that he's the only real conservative, very similar to Rand Paul, that he's the only one that's actually cut taxes, actually cut spending, actually been a fiscal conservative in his state.
00:03:36.000He delivered possibly the best line of the night saying that Bobby Jindal has offered a proposal to substitute Obamacare, whereas Chris Christie is just talking about it.
00:03:45.000He said he'd offer him a juice box and a participation ribbon.
00:05:34.000But having said that, liking his social policy, liking his fiscal policy, liking his ideas, his institutional reforms that he would bring, He doesn't know enough about the issues.
00:05:44.000When asked about how he would deal with big banks, the bank bailouts, it was clear he didn't know what he was talking about.
00:05:51.000Now, this is an opportunity again for him to present himself as someone who knew the issues, someone who could tackle the economy, but he did not deliver.
00:05:58.000Number three for neutrals, Carly Fiorina.
00:06:00.000Now, Carly Fiorina, like I said last week, she talks a good game.
00:06:15.000From the second debate, and I think she is fading.
00:06:17.000I don't think she proved in this debate that she's able to climb up and compete with Ben Carson and Donald Trump, and that's a problem for her.
00:06:24.000Now, panel, JP, Colin Bailey, what did you guys think of the debate?
00:06:28.000Who do you think were the clear winners and neutral people?
00:06:33.000Well, kind of like you said, the real winner to me doesn't really come from the actual debate.
00:06:37.000Well, when I say actual debate, I mean the primetime debate.
00:06:40.000I think Bobby Jindal did the best, and it's kind of unfortunate that he's not really that high in the polls because I think if he was actually in higher contention to win, His performance in that debate would have skyrocketed him in the polls.
00:06:52.000He's just kind of been such an afterthought that not many people are going to consider him to be a serious contender.
00:06:59.000He proved that he is a really good debater, and he also has some very substantive policies that he sets himself apart from in the case of Mike Huckabee and Chris Christie.
00:07:11.000I think Chris Christie also did a good job, but he just didn't do enough to set himself apart to get him back on the main stage.
00:07:20.000Marco Rubio, like you said, he did what he had to do.
00:07:22.000He kind of maintained that young, youthful approach that many people like about him.
00:07:29.000Jeb Bush almost started to impress me, and then he started tripping over his own words again, as he's tended to do.
00:07:35.000If he can get a full paragraph out before stumbling and going back to that kind of stuff, I think he could be a good candidate.
00:07:44.000But until he does that, he's just going to be that kind of non confident speaker that's trying to come off as confident, but it's just not working.
00:07:50.000So, Bobby Jindal, the winner for you, JP?
00:07:55.000I definitely agree with pretty much everything he actually said, except I'd say overall, I'd say Rubio was the winner.
00:08:01.000Rubio did a lot when it came to actually distinguishing himself from what we were saying last week as more of a moderate.
00:08:08.000He came out a little bit further right than I'd expect on a couple of issues, one of them being the minimum wage, which is typically something that conservatives, middle of the road conservatives, don't like to take such a hard line stance on.
00:08:20.000But he ended up coming out against the minimum wage and said that we should abolish it, which is quite a far right, or at the very least, very neoliberal thing for him to say, even though a lot of his policies have come off as really neoconservative.
00:08:32.000And I think when it comes to garnering a lot of support, He will probably be drawing away from the underperformers of Carson and Trump and maybe taking away some of that more neoliberal group in his successes last night, or not last night, during the debate.
00:08:47.000And I think also alongside that, Jindal did do really well in the not primetime debate.
00:08:53.000So I would say, not primetime, what's.
00:09:11.000And I think what's crucial about Rubio, and you're spot on, is that he's a moderate establishment candidate, and yet he's able to come across to the base as someone that's more of a Ted Cruz, someone that's more conservative.
00:09:23.000His constant pitching of the family, of fiscal conservatism, his tax plan that's supposedly pro growth.
00:09:29.000I think he's able to come across more conservative than moderates like John McCain and Mitt Romney in the past.
00:09:34.000Now, having said that, what do you make of this whole exchange between Rand Paul and Marco Rubio?
00:09:40.000What do you think are the consequences?
00:09:42.000I think to the people that pay close attention, they might take something from it, but I think Rand Paul to a lot of people has come across as very libertarian and not really their cup of tea.
00:09:55.000But I think that what you see in Marco Rubio is he's constantly pitching the story of his parents with my dad was a bartender, my mother was a maid coming from Cuba.
00:10:03.000They made enough money to get by, they made enough money to support their family and leave their kids better than they were.
00:10:09.000And I think that's going to resonate with a lot of people because you're getting back to that American dream.
00:10:14.000Leaving your kids better than you were.
00:10:15.000And I think that's what a lot of people need to hear following the recession, following the struggling economy that we've seen.
00:10:23.000And Obama hasn't necessarily done a lot to help with that.
00:10:34.000Well, I'd say that the debate between Rubio and Paul was very interesting in that Rubio really well defended his position on his tax plan, which, you know, A lot of conservatives do have some criticism of at least more neoliberal conservatives.
00:10:49.000And given that Rand Paul is one of the more neoliberal candidates within the entire race, it was kind of surprising to see so much competition.
00:10:56.000And actually, they both kind of came out on top because Rand Paul definitely garnered some more support from his neoliberal crowd.
00:11:03.000And also, Rubio ended up defending his position really well, very eloquently.
00:11:07.000And in doing so, he also gathered some support just in general.
00:11:10.000So I think what we're going to see from it is probably Rubio's still going to gain more.
00:11:15.000As a whole, but from that particular exchange between him and Paul, I'm going to say they're probably both going to see some points gains and probably drain it from some of the losers.
00:12:04.000Do you guys think it will end up being a showdown between a conservative and a moderate as the final two?
00:12:09.000Do you think that'll be the dichotomy?
00:12:11.000And if so, who are the conservative and moderate?
00:12:13.000Well, I think you're going to start seeing at least one of the moderates dwindle away, at least I would hope so, in that being John Kasich.
00:12:25.000He kind of tried to milk that, oh, I only spoke four minutes in the last debate.
00:12:30.000He overdid it by trying to butt in on every single answer, even when he really had nothing to say about it.
00:12:35.000And that, to me, just kind of killed it.
00:12:37.000Because I think, you know, he has that, you know, I was in Congress and now I'm an executive in Ohio and I've had, like, results and progress in Ohio.
00:12:46.000And I think that could have worked had he played his cards correctly.
00:12:52.000So I think you're going to see that moderate block start to dwindle.
00:12:57.000Jeb Bush is still going to be there just because he's a Bush.
00:13:00.000But, um, Other than that, I think that you're really going to start to see, I would hope, some thinning out of the crowd overall.
00:13:09.000Especially, I would hope, with the other people on the undercard debate, like Rick Santorum, who I'm not exactly sure why he's still here.
00:13:16.000But he's got his supporters, and like you said with K6 I'm not sure where they are, but they're obviously there somewhere.
00:13:23.000So I think overall you're going to start to see the crowd shrink over the next couple months.
00:13:27.000At least I would hope so, because that'll give voters a little bit more.
00:13:31.000Focus on the candidates that are really going to be there in the end.
00:13:34.000And then who do you think is going to be the conservative then?
00:13:36.000So if Rubio and Jeb would be up for the moderates, then who's going to be the conservative?
00:13:40.000Well, I think Carson, you could argue, is going to stick around just because he's polling so high, but I think you're going to have to see what plays out with this supposed, not corrupt, but doctored backstory of his.
00:13:55.000I think that could hurt him, but I don't think his supporters are going to dig into that a whole lot.
00:14:01.000Ted Cruz, I think, will stick around just because he's very charismatic.
00:14:04.000He's a very good speaker, and he's got that strong right wing block that's going to support him.
00:14:09.000I think Rand Paul, unless he starts to see his poll numbers climb in the upcoming days and weeks, I think he's a little too far behind to make a serious push at it, which is unfortunate because I think he could be a good candidate.
00:14:22.000But I think Ted Cruz will ultimately be that right wing.
00:14:28.000I'd say that for the more conservative element, it definitely is going to be between Carson Rubio.
00:14:33.000Or not Rubio, sorry, Carson, Cruz, and Paul.
00:14:37.000And I think it does depend really on whether Carson can keep the points that he has and make even more gains, or if Paul is going to appeal to the more libertarian crowd.
00:14:48.000And in doing so, there's going to be people dwindling off.
00:14:51.000And I think that a lot of the people dwindling off will be the moderates because I think the more far right, more hard line conservatives are just, I guess, a little less willing probably to drop out because they do vary a lot in their positions.
00:15:06.000Like you said, a lot of the more extraneous candidates that no one really supports anymore, they're going to drop off.
00:15:10.000And then I think it's probably going to end up being Rubio as the moderate choice because he just, all the moderates, is doing the best right now.
00:15:18.000And then when it comes to the more conservative choice, I'm going to guess Cruz, just as you had, because I think that while Paul's ideas definitely appeal to more libertarians, as you were saying last week, he's not as electable.
00:15:32.000And same thing goes for Carson, where, you know, Carson, very good speaker.
00:15:36.000Very competent man, at least in terms of upholding his views, but he's scaring some people away, the more moderate crowd.
00:15:43.000And I think that when the Republicans really have to think about it, they're going to have to make a compromise where there's going to be someone who's got more conservative elements within them.
00:15:51.000And I think that, you know, Rubio and Cruz are kind of that pretty nice blend of more moderate and somewhat conservative elements.
00:15:59.000I think it will be Rubio versus Cruz in the end.
00:16:02.000I think people get behind Mark Rubio because he's got the combination of style, organization, and he has a very moderate platform, and then the same with Ted Cruz.
00:16:11.000I also think it's a shame that someone like Rand Paul couldn't challenge a Ted Cruz simply because he has a silly haircut and he doesn't have the same organization.
00:16:22.000Do you see the outsiders finally fading?
00:16:24.000None of them really did a stellar job this debate, but do you think that'll hurt them?
00:16:28.000Do you think we'll start to see them evaporating in the coming months?
00:16:31.000Because I don't see them sticking around for too much longer.
00:16:34.000I think with Trump, one of the things I was impressed with about him, while he might not have done a whole lot, he was more of a serious candidate than he has been in the past.
00:16:43.000He didn't throw any bulldog insults around, he wasn't just kind of throwing out blatantly obvious, going around the question type of answers.
00:16:54.000He was actually giving some serious answers that made sense to a lot of people, and I think that if he continues to do that, he has potential to stick around.
00:17:03.000But I think at the end of the day, you're not going to get Donald Trump supporters from the left, and that is, you know, drawing from either side is what's going to win an election for a candidate, and I don't think that's possible for him just because he's been so, you know, barbaric with his insults in the past.
00:17:19.000And I think Ben Carson's too far right to appeal to the left, and Carly Fiorina just hasn't really gained enough steam to, you know, really get to the forefront.
00:17:28.000So, I think, like you said, it's only a matter of time before they dwindle off.
00:17:32.000And even if Donald Trump does stick around until the end, I think he might still be on the ticket for the primaries, but I don't think he's going to have much success just because of his past and his insults.
00:18:00.000He's just coming out now with a lot of his platform, and you know, you really need to be pretty clear with that.
00:18:04.000And that's one thing that a lot of the other candidates have done well is they've been quite clear with their platforms, or at least they've tried to.
00:18:10.000Whereas Trump's kind of been wishy washy in a lot of things and has kind of reversed and also in offending people, he's just kind of lost some votes.
00:18:18.000So I think that in the end, he's probably going to drop out too, even though he could definitely afford to stay in.
00:18:24.000But with Carson, he's kind of weird in that, like him and Cruz right now, I don't actually know the exact percentage, but they're both doing quite well for the more.
00:18:33.000Conservative elements of the Republican Party.
00:18:35.000And I think if Carson can, you know, come back from this kind of eh performance and does really well in the next debate and Cruz does poorly, there could be some real competition there.
00:18:46.000But I think if that isn't the case and he just performs just as he did at this debate, that he probably will fade out.
00:19:16.000We're talking 2016 losers of the last debate, the fourth debate that was on Tuesday.
00:19:21.000Now, we're going to start with, I think, the biggest loser out of all these, which was CNBC, surprisingly.
00:19:28.000I think they offered one of the worst debates in modern political history last week, and Fox Business showed them to be the petty propagandists that they are, with a substantive debate on the issues, one where the candidates got to talk and not the moderators.
00:19:40.000So I think that it is a shame for CNBC.
00:20:11.000Kasich, Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, and Chris Christie.
00:20:14.000Now, Jeb Bush, I think, is the biggest loser of them all just on that.
00:20:18.000Now, just July, just a few short months ago, He was number one, and that lead has almost totally evaporated.
00:20:24.000This is largely because a younger, more charismatic, more youthful member has taken the establishment vote from him, and that's Marco Rubio.
00:20:31.000Now, Jeb Bush initially was supposed to present himself as the experienced, moderate, and sensible candidate the entire establishment would get behind.
00:20:39.000Since then, however, with all sorts of fumbles, all sorts of awkward, weird gasps, I think everyone's just off put by him.
00:20:46.000He's kind of the Josh Peck of this entire race.
00:20:49.000He's got a cooler, charming brother, but he just can't match up because he's awkward.
00:20:53.000Even though he's smarter and dad's favorite, Nobody likes him.
00:22:51.000John Kasich, for me, was the biggest loser, but I mean, if you're going to go beyond the obvious, Huckabee and Christie, just by the sense that they were there in the first place, makes them a loser because.
00:23:04.000You know, regardless of their performance, if they don't wipe the floor with everybody in the undercard debate, they're not proving that they should have been in the primetime at any point in this race.
00:23:15.000And I think that's what they needed to do if they wanted to garner any more momentum for their campaigns.
00:23:22.000And I think Huckabee is just kind of a lost cause just because he's more of a social conservative.
00:23:29.000And I think that for this America, that's not really going to resonate very well because, you know, the whole gay marriage thing is kind of a lost cause with the whole Supreme Court ruling.
00:23:37.000And I think most Americans are just against him in that sense anyway.
00:23:42.000And then Chris Christie, I think he's a very good speaker.
00:23:46.000He's kind of like a contained Donald Trump when it comes to giving, you know, speaking his mind.
00:23:51.000But I think that in order for him to have gotten back to the primetime debate, he had to use that, you know, I'm going to speak what's on my mind attribute about him more effectively because right now he just remembered as the guy that confronted Bobby Jindal and lost.
00:24:09.000So, I think that's really going to hurt him.
00:24:23.000Yeah, it doesn't matter because he messed up really bad this time.
00:24:26.000You know, calling out people in the middle of their speaking and just being generally obnoxious is not what you want to do during a debate.
00:24:32.000And, you know, while that kind of worked a little bit for Trump earlier on and kind of, you know, being a little bit of an antagonist, it's no longer even Trump's strategy to do that because he realized it's not something that you want to do.
00:24:44.000And he just made himself look like an idiot.
00:24:48.000And in doing so, I mean, even though being an intelligent, extremely smart person isn't something that in America we always prefer as a politician either, coming off as really dumb is not something that you should do.
00:25:01.000And obnoxiousness and rudeness is not something you want to see in a candidate.
00:25:39.000I think that at first they had the message oh, I'm not from Washington, so now I don't have that Washington establishment attribute about me.
00:25:50.000But I think right now you're seeing people like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
00:25:54.000They are people that are, yes, they're from Washington, but they haven't been there for very long.
00:25:59.000Plus, they've seen it firsthand, so they know what they would do differently and what they would do to fix Washington.
00:26:05.000And I think that you're going to start seeing that pivot towards the people that have been in Washington and know what goes on there rather than people that are governors.
00:26:14.000And there is sort of an executive experience that comes with being a governor, but it's different when you're leading a state versus a country.
00:26:20.000When you have the control of a military and you have the control of an international economy versus the state, local economies.
00:26:28.000And I think that that whole anti Washington thing, it's still there because you see Trump and the other outsiders that are still here.
00:26:37.000But I think it's definitely waning and you're starting to see people that are actually in Washington having strategies to fix it.
00:26:59.000But nonetheless, Rubio's a tough candidate to beat.
00:27:01.000And in doing the more moderate role, he's done a great job at establishing himself as the more moderate candidate.
00:27:08.000And these guys, while they've come out as moderate and a lot of the things they have done is something that you could see as moderate, they just haven't gotten the attention that Rubio has because they aren't as young.
00:27:18.000They aren't as attractive in terms of both their speaking style and in terms of just physical attractiveness.
00:27:34.000And it is, I don't want to say it's a shame because I would prefer Mark Rubio over Jeb Bush, but I think it is sort of a shame that we've gotten away from the issues, that someone could think they're conservative and like Mark Rubio because of the looks.
00:27:46.000But with that in mind, I think there is a Jeb Bush phenomenon, that he's doing so poorly against Mark Rubio, just like there's a Trump phenomenon.
00:27:54.000I don't really know what it is, but why is it that someone like Jeb Bush, someone who's so conservative, who had a brother and a father who were president, who has all this experience, has all the right things, says George W. Bush defended this country, Why does everyone hate him all of a sudden?
00:28:08.000Why is he not doing as well as people expected?
00:28:10.000Well, I think he's certainly smarter than his brother, but I think his brother was the better speaker because he was able to garner that emotion from the crowd.
00:28:19.000And Jeb Bush, the only emotion that he's getting is the kind of I'm shy and I'm trying to come off.
00:28:26.000Even when he tries to come off as confident and in your face, he just trips over his words again.
00:28:32.000And then that just makes him look even more foolish.
00:28:34.000So he needs to garner a whole lot more charisma if he ever wants to gain a lot more momentum.
00:28:40.000Because he certainly has the brain power to be an effective legislator and an effective executive.
00:28:46.000And he also has the history to back up his claim that he can be an effective president, but he just cannot keep mumbling and tripping over his own words if he wants to resonate with the American people and get his message across.
00:29:31.000And, you know, that's what the Bushes had going for them, especially W, in that most of what his success in his campaign was based off of was just being a good speaker and having that charisma with him.
00:29:48.000I think it's almost a revolution that you're seeing within the Republican Party.
00:29:52.000I know Sean Hannity always calls it a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party, but you're seeing this battle play out in the Republican Party, not so much with the Democrats.
00:30:01.000The Democrats have their established, you know, Hillary Clinton, who had a coronation, basically.
00:30:25.000I think a lot of people, just the fact that he was a Bush, would count him out for a lot of even moderates and moderate Republicans, or well, not so much Republicans, but people on the left.
00:30:37.000I think you do see that on the left side.
00:30:40.000You see people thinking, oh, well, Bill Clinton was a great president.
00:30:42.000And to a lot of people, he was a good president and he was a good legislator.
00:30:45.000Putting aside the controversy, they have, you know, substantial.
00:30:50.000Experience in politics, and that's what a lot of people's argument is well, she's the most qualified.
00:30:56.000She was the first lady, she was a senator, she was a secretary of state.
00:31:00.000But for me, what trumps the experience is the controversy because I want a president that I can trust, and if I can't trust the president, you know, that just kind of, you know, sweeps the entire thing under the rug.
00:31:11.000And I think when you see the Bushes, maybe they didn't have as much legislative success as other presidents did, but they were, you know, people recognized that, you know, H.W. Bush served his country in World War II, so that was a big thing for a lot of people, and he was the vice president to Reagan, and he was very much successful for the Republicans, and a lot of people like that too.
00:31:31.000So, you see people on the right, they're kind of like feeling about Jeb Bush that he is less charismatic, and that was, like you said, Colin, what the Bushes had going for them.
00:31:42.000So, if he doesn't have that, then he's not really going to have much to appeal to the masses of the people that are going to be the swing vote.
00:31:49.000I don't really know what people see in Hillary Clinton, to be honest, but hey, that's just my opinion.
00:31:59.000I'd say that when it comes to some sort of really dramatic change in the Republican Party, That I don't think it's really a change in the Republican Party as much as it is within the whole political dynamic.
00:32:11.000And that, you know, even though Hillary's doing well and she is at Clinton, that's not her big deal in her campaign.
00:32:17.000Like, that's not really what she's emphasizing.
00:32:19.000And, you know, she is at Clinton, like I said, but she has other things.
00:32:24.000Whereas Jeb, he has other things, but most of his attention at first was because he was at Bush.
00:32:29.000And, you know, if he had maybe come out and had his own thoughts and, You know, really been a good, charismatic speaker.
00:32:38.000I don't think we would see this much of a loss, but Hillary, there's no competition for her, so she did really well just because of that alone.
00:32:45.000But also, she had other things in her platform, whereas Jeb really didn't, and like we said, not a good speaker really.
00:32:52.000So just his failures mostly a result of all those factors.