America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - The Nicholas J. Fuentes Show | The Nicholas J. Fuentes Show Episode 2

00:00:05.000 Hello, everybody.

00:00:06.000 You're watching the Nicholas J. Fuentes Show.

00:00:08.000 My name, of course, is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:10.000 Tuesday was the fourth GOP presidential debate on Fox Business.

00:00:15.000 It featured frontrunners Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, John Kasich, and Rand Paul in its primetime showing.

00:00:24.000 In its undercar to feature down from the primetime, Mike Huckabee, Chris Christie, alongside Rick Santorum, and Bobby Jindal.

00:00:31.000 Now, this was probably one of the better debates out of the four so far.

00:00:35.000 It was substantive, it was actually about the economy.

00:00:37.000 The candidates got a chance to talk about their platforms, talk about things that Americans care about.

00:00:42.000 A market improvement over the CNBC debate last week, probably one of the worst debates in the past 30 years.

00:00:49.000 Now let's get to winners and losers.

00:00:51.000 Winners, Fox Business.

00:00:53.000 Way to capitalize.

00:00:54.000 The first Fox debate, the first debate back in August, was scorned by Republicans and Democrats, especially Trump supporters.

00:01:02.000 But since then, Fox Business has come a long way.

00:01:04.000 We had 90 second answers, 60 second responses, really gave everyone a chance to talk about the issues, and I think everyone benefits the electorate and the candidates.

00:01:13.000 Winners, the senators, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and Rand Paul.

00:01:17.000 Rand Paul is probably one of the biggest winners percentage wise, I guess.

00:01:21.000 He had a terrible showing in the first three debates.

00:01:23.000 The first one, he came off as crazy.

00:01:25.000 He was attacking everybody.

00:01:27.000 He seemed totally out of control.

00:01:29.000 The second debate wasn't there.

00:01:30.000 The third debate basically wasn't there.

00:01:32.000 This debate was a mix of all three.

00:01:33.000 He attacked some people, he attacked Donald Trump, Marco Rubio, and rightly so.

00:01:38.000 He offered wise, articulate, and sensible answers.

00:01:41.000 This is something I hope we'll reflect in the polls.

00:01:44.000 Winner number two, Marco Rubio.

00:01:46.000 Now, Marco Rubio has probably won all the debates so far.

00:01:50.000 He's young, he's handsome, he's charismatic, he's America's angel.

00:01:54.000 He's like Madison Pettis and Cory in the House.

00:01:56.000 That's what they call me.

00:01:57.000 Everybody likes him.

00:01:58.000 He offered the same old, same old, the same talking points.

00:02:01.000 21st century economy, family, most important institution in America.

00:02:06.000 Same old, same old.

00:02:07.000 Having said that, it's been doing very well for him.

00:02:10.000 He's been climbing in the polls, he defended his tax plan.

00:02:12.000 This was overall a very big night for Marco Rubio.

00:02:15.000 Now, the biggest winner out of all the senators was Ted Cruz.

00:02:19.000 The most important debate, I think, of the night and probably of the campaign was a debate about defense spending.

00:02:24.000 Now, Marco Rubio is introducing $1 trillion new dollars in defense spending.

00:02:30.000 Rand Paul rightly pointed out that we already spend more than the next 10 countries on defense, and that Marco Rubio wants to add $1 trillion to that.

00:02:38.000 He said, How can you be a fiscal conservative if you support more debt that we can't pay for?

00:02:42.000 And Marco Rubio defended himself.

00:02:44.000 Now, Rand Paul appeals to the libertarian constituency of the Republican Party.

00:02:48.000 He's appealing to the fiscal conservatives.

00:02:50.000 Marco Rubio to the neoconservatives left over from the Bush era.

00:02:55.000 The neocons want to get us back involved in the Middle East.

00:02:57.000 Ted Cruz rightly and smartly bridged the gap between both of them, saying, You're both right.

00:03:02.000 We can't afford more spending, but we need to assert our interest in the Middle East.

00:03:06.000 He's been climbing in the past two debates, and he'll continue to do so after this one.

00:03:12.000 Winner, Bobby Jindal.

00:03:13.000 Now, he's been in the undercar debates for the past four debates, and he really has no prospects of.

00:03:18.000 Getting into the prime time, which is unfortunate.

00:03:21.000 He was on the offensive for the entire debate.

00:03:23.000 He attacked Mike Huckabee, Chris Christie, and neither of them had an answer.

00:03:27.000 Bobby Jindal played the card that he's the only real conservative, very similar to Rand Paul, that he's the only one that's actually cut taxes, actually cut spending, actually been a fiscal conservative in his state.

00:03:36.000 He delivered possibly the best line of the night saying that Bobby Jindal has offered a proposal to substitute Obamacare, whereas Chris Christie is just talking about it.

00:03:45.000 He said he'd offer him a juice box and a participation ribbon.

00:03:49.000 Evan, why don't you roll that clip?

00:03:51.000 Chris, look, I'll give you a ribbon for participation and a juice box, but in the real world, it's about results.

00:03:56.000 It's about actually cutting government spending, not just talking about cutting government spending.

00:04:01.000 Governor Jindo, thank you.

00:04:03.000 What a scream!

00:04:04.000 I love Bobby Jindal.

00:04:06.000 Now, on the neutral side, we have all the outsiders.

00:04:09.000 They neither won nor lost.

00:04:11.000 Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina.

00:04:14.000 Donald Trump, he showed himself to be a more serious candidate.

00:04:17.000 In the past two debates, neither of them have been about Donald Trump, which is a good thing.

00:04:21.000 A good thing not just for Donald Trump, but for the entire electorate.

00:04:25.000 Now, that means that we're not talking about personal attacks.

00:04:27.000 The debate wasn't about Rand Paul being ugly or Jeb Bush being low energy.

00:04:32.000 It was about the issues that matter.

00:04:34.000 Having said that, because it was about the issues, Donald Trump had nothing to say.

00:04:38.000 When asked about the TPP, he complained that it didn't address China enough.

00:04:41.000 Rand Paul reminded him that China isn't in the TPP.

00:04:45.000 Of course, this won't hurt his candidacy.

00:04:47.000 His constituency isn't really too big on nuanced ideas, they're more just make America great again.

00:04:53.000 So it won't hurt him, it won't help him.

00:04:55.000 This is overall a neutral performance for Donald Trump.

00:04:57.000 He really is the Floyd Mayweather of the entire election.

00:05:00.000 He's not going for a knockout punch, he's not going for a big, stellar performance.

00:05:03.000 He's got a lot of money, and he talks a big game, but when he steps in the ring, he's just there to win.

00:05:08.000 Number two on neutral is Ben Carson.

00:05:11.000 Now, Ben Carson had a huge opportunity to capitalize.

00:05:14.000 After a week of defending his record of stabbing people and not being crazy, he had a huge opportunity to blow Trump out of the water.

00:05:22.000 He's been rising against Trump.

00:05:23.000 Now he's only down about 1% in the latest polls.

00:05:26.000 This was a missed opportunity for him.

00:05:28.000 He delivered his usual mellow performance.

00:05:30.000 He was half awake through the whole thing.

00:05:32.000 Now, I like Ben Carson.

00:05:34.000 But having said that, liking his social policy, liking his fiscal policy, liking his ideas, his institutional reforms that he would bring, He doesn't know enough about the issues.

00:05:44.000 When asked about how he would deal with big banks, the bank bailouts, it was clear he didn't know what he was talking about.

00:05:50.000 He's in way over his head.

00:05:51.000 Now, this is an opportunity again for him to present himself as someone who knew the issues, someone who could tackle the economy, but he did not deliver.

00:05:58.000 Number three for neutrals, Carly Fiorina. 0.99

00:06:00.000 Now, Carly Fiorina, like I said last week, she talks a good game. 1.00

00:06:04.000 She brought up the Sixth Fleet again. 1.00

00:06:05.000 She brought up Hillary Clinton again.

00:06:07.000 Nothing new.

00:06:08.000 Very articulate.

00:06:09.000 She made some good points.

00:06:10.000 She got some good applause.

00:06:12.000 But again, a missed opportunity.

00:06:13.000 She's lost considerable steam.

00:06:15.000 From the second debate, and I think she is fading.

00:06:17.000 I don't think she proved in this debate that she's able to climb up and compete with Ben Carson and Donald Trump, and that's a problem for her.

00:06:24.000 Now, panel, JP, Colin Bailey, what did you guys think of the debate?

00:06:28.000 Who do you think were the clear winners and neutral people?

00:06:31.000 JP, we'll start with you.

00:06:33.000 Well, kind of like you said, the real winner to me doesn't really come from the actual debate.

00:06:37.000 Well, when I say actual debate, I mean the primetime debate.

00:06:40.000 I think Bobby Jindal did the best, and it's kind of unfortunate that he's not really that high in the polls because I think if he was actually in higher contention to win, His performance in that debate would have skyrocketed him in the polls.

00:06:52.000 He's just kind of been such an afterthought that not many people are going to consider him to be a serious contender.

00:06:58.000 But he did do very well.

00:06:59.000 He proved that he is a really good debater, and he also has some very substantive policies that he sets himself apart from in the case of Mike Huckabee and Chris Christie.

00:07:11.000 I think Chris Christie also did a good job, but he just didn't do enough to set himself apart to get him back on the main stage.

00:07:18.000 From the main stage, I think.

00:07:20.000 Marco Rubio, like you said, he did what he had to do.

00:07:22.000 He kind of maintained that young, youthful approach that many people like about him.

00:07:29.000 Jeb Bush almost started to impress me, and then he started tripping over his own words again, as he's tended to do.

00:07:35.000 If he can get a full paragraph out before stumbling and going back to that kind of stuff, I think he could be a good candidate.

00:07:44.000 But until he does that, he's just going to be that kind of non confident speaker that's trying to come off as confident, but it's just not working.

00:07:50.000 So, Bobby Jindal, the winner for you, JP?

00:07:52.000 All right.

00:07:52.000 For me, yeah.

00:07:53.000 Colin, what about you?

00:07:54.000 What do you think was the winner?

00:07:55.000 I definitely agree with pretty much everything he actually said, except I'd say overall, I'd say Rubio was the winner.

00:08:01.000 Rubio did a lot when it came to actually distinguishing himself from what we were saying last week as more of a moderate.

00:08:08.000 He came out a little bit further right than I'd expect on a couple of issues, one of them being the minimum wage, which is typically something that conservatives, middle of the road conservatives, don't like to take such a hard line stance on.

00:08:20.000 But he ended up coming out against the minimum wage and said that we should abolish it, which is quite a far right, or at the very least, very neoliberal thing for him to say, even though a lot of his policies have come off as really neoconservative.

00:08:32.000 And I think when it comes to garnering a lot of support, He will probably be drawing away from the underperformers of Carson and Trump and maybe taking away some of that more neoliberal group in his successes last night, or not last night, during the debate.

00:08:47.000 And I think also alongside that, Jindal did do really well in the not primetime debate.

00:08:53.000 So I would say, not primetime, what's.

00:08:56.000 Undercard, sorry.

00:08:56.000 Undercard.

00:08:58.000 And I think that, you know, that is something that will help him a lot, but then again, it was the undercard.

00:08:58.000 In the undercard debate.

00:09:03.000 And, you know, it's the primetime debate that really matters, and I think the one we're going to see the most gain from is Rubio.

00:09:09.000 No, I think you're definitely right.

00:09:11.000 And I think what's crucial about Rubio, and you're spot on, is that he's a moderate establishment candidate, and yet he's able to come across to the base as someone that's more of a Ted Cruz, someone that's more conservative.

00:09:23.000 His constant pitching of the family, of fiscal conservatism, his tax plan that's supposedly pro growth.

00:09:29.000 I think he's able to come across more conservative than moderates like John McCain and Mitt Romney in the past.

00:09:34.000 Now, having said that, what do you make of this whole exchange between Rand Paul and Marco Rubio?

00:09:39.000 Do you think that's important?

00:09:40.000 What do you think are the consequences?

00:09:42.000 I think to the people that pay close attention, they might take something from it, but I think Rand Paul to a lot of people has come across as very libertarian and not really their cup of tea.

00:09:42.000 JP?

00:09:55.000 But I think that what you see in Marco Rubio is he's constantly pitching the story of his parents with my dad was a bartender, my mother was a maid coming from Cuba.

00:10:03.000 They made enough money to get by, they made enough money to support their family and leave their kids better than they were.

00:10:09.000 And I think that's going to resonate with a lot of people because you're getting back to that American dream.

00:10:14.000 Leaving your kids better than you were.

00:10:15.000 And I think that's what a lot of people need to hear following the recession, following the struggling economy that we've seen.

00:10:23.000 And Obama hasn't necessarily done a lot to help with that.

00:10:25.000 So I think people want hope.

00:10:27.000 And I think Marco Rubio's backstory and where he's come is going to offer that sense of hope to a lot of people.

00:10:33.000 Right, Colin?

00:10:34.000 Well, I'd say that the debate between Rubio and Paul was very interesting in that Rubio really well defended his position on his tax plan, which, you know, A lot of conservatives do have some criticism of at least more neoliberal conservatives.

00:10:49.000 And given that Rand Paul is one of the more neoliberal candidates within the entire race, it was kind of surprising to see so much competition.

00:10:56.000 And actually, they both kind of came out on top because Rand Paul definitely garnered some more support from his neoliberal crowd.

00:11:03.000 And also, Rubio ended up defending his position really well, very eloquently.

00:11:07.000 And in doing so, he also gathered some support just in general.

00:11:10.000 So I think what we're going to see from it is probably Rubio's still going to gain more.

00:11:15.000 As a whole, but from that particular exchange between him and Paul, I'm going to say they're probably both going to see some points gains and probably drain it from some of the losers.

00:11:23.000 No, and you're right.

00:11:24.000 And I think that's what was so crucial about this exchange is it demonstrated just how open this race is.

00:11:28.000 Rand Paul said on Wednesday on Fox News that there's still 17% that are undecided.

00:11:34.000 This race is wide open.

00:11:36.000 And I think you're right that Rand Paul is going to draw in support from a lot of the more conservative, libertarian constituencies.

00:11:42.000 I think he appeals to Republicans, independents, and even some Democrats.

00:11:45.000 Marco Rubio, on the other hand, I think.

00:11:48.000 Tuesday, he consolidated his hold over the establishment vote, whereas there are still some Bush supporters, still some Kasich people.

00:11:55.000 I don't know where they are, but apparently they still exist because he's on the stage.

00:11:58.000 But I think Rubio consolidated that constituency.

00:12:01.000 Rand Paul's building up more support.

00:12:04.000 Do you guys think it will end up being a showdown between a conservative and a moderate as the final two?

00:12:09.000 Do you think that'll be the dichotomy?

00:12:11.000 And if so, who are the conservative and moderate?

00:12:13.000 Well, I think you're going to start seeing at least one of the moderates dwindle away, at least I would hope so, in that being John Kasich.

00:12:22.000 And he just annoyed me so much.

00:12:25.000 He kind of tried to milk that, oh, I only spoke four minutes in the last debate.

00:12:30.000 He overdid it by trying to butt in on every single answer, even when he really had nothing to say about it.

00:12:35.000 And that, to me, just kind of killed it.

00:12:37.000 Because I think, you know, he has that, you know, I was in Congress and now I'm an executive in Ohio and I've had, like, results and progress in Ohio.

00:12:46.000 And I think that could have worked had he played his cards correctly.

00:12:49.000 And I think he did not do that.

00:12:52.000 So I think you're going to see that moderate block start to dwindle.

00:12:57.000 Jeb Bush is still going to be there just because he's a Bush.

00:13:00.000 But, um, Other than that, I think that you're really going to start to see, I would hope, some thinning out of the crowd overall.

00:13:09.000 Especially, I would hope, with the other people on the undercard debate, like Rick Santorum, who I'm not exactly sure why he's still here.

00:13:16.000 But he's got his supporters, and like you said with K6 I'm not sure where they are, but they're obviously there somewhere.

00:13:23.000 So I think overall you're going to start to see the crowd shrink over the next couple months.

00:13:27.000 At least I would hope so, because that'll give voters a little bit more.

00:13:31.000 Focus on the candidates that are really going to be there in the end.

00:13:34.000 And then who do you think is going to be the conservative then?

00:13:36.000 So if Rubio and Jeb would be up for the moderates, then who's going to be the conservative?

00:13:40.000 Well, I think Carson, you could argue, is going to stick around just because he's polling so high, but I think you're going to have to see what plays out with this supposed, not corrupt, but doctored backstory of his.

00:13:55.000 I think that could hurt him, but I don't think his supporters are going to dig into that a whole lot.

00:14:01.000 Ted Cruz, I think, will stick around just because he's very charismatic.

00:14:04.000 He's a very good speaker, and he's got that strong right wing block that's going to support him.

00:14:09.000 I think Rand Paul, unless he starts to see his poll numbers climb in the upcoming days and weeks, I think he's a little too far behind to make a serious push at it, which is unfortunate because I think he could be a good candidate.

00:14:22.000 But I think Ted Cruz will ultimately be that right wing.

00:14:26.000 I think you're right.

00:14:27.000 Colin?

00:14:28.000 I'd say that for the more conservative element, it definitely is going to be between Carson Rubio.

00:14:33.000 Or not Rubio, sorry, Carson, Cruz, and Paul.

00:14:37.000 And I think it does depend really on whether Carson can keep the points that he has and make even more gains, or if Paul is going to appeal to the more libertarian crowd.

00:14:48.000 And in doing so, there's going to be people dwindling off.

00:14:51.000 And I think that a lot of the people dwindling off will be the moderates because I think the more far right, more hard line conservatives are just, I guess, a little less willing probably to drop out because they do vary a lot in their positions.

00:15:02.000 And I think that we're going to see.

00:15:06.000 Like you said, a lot of the more extraneous candidates that no one really supports anymore, they're going to drop off.

00:15:10.000 And then I think it's probably going to end up being Rubio as the moderate choice because he just, all the moderates, is doing the best right now.

00:15:18.000 And then when it comes to the more conservative choice, I'm going to guess Cruz, just as you had, because I think that while Paul's ideas definitely appeal to more libertarians, as you were saying last week, he's not as electable.

00:15:32.000 And same thing goes for Carson, where, you know, Carson, very good speaker.

00:15:36.000 Very competent man, at least in terms of upholding his views, but he's scaring some people away, the more moderate crowd.

00:15:43.000 And I think that when the Republicans really have to think about it, they're going to have to make a compromise where there's going to be someone who's got more conservative elements within them.

00:15:51.000 And I think that, you know, Rubio and Cruz are kind of that pretty nice blend of more moderate and somewhat conservative elements.

00:15:58.000 No, I think you're both right.

00:15:59.000 I think it will be Rubio versus Cruz in the end.

00:16:02.000 I think people get behind Mark Rubio because he's got the combination of style, organization, and he has a very moderate platform, and then the same with Ted Cruz.

00:16:11.000 I also think it's a shame that someone like Rand Paul couldn't challenge a Ted Cruz simply because he has a silly haircut and he doesn't have the same organization.

00:16:18.000 It's tragic, but it's true.

00:16:20.000 Now, my last question would be this. 0.88

00:16:22.000 Do you see the outsiders finally fading?

00:16:24.000 None of them really did a stellar job this debate, but do you think that'll hurt them?

00:16:28.000 Do you think we'll start to see them evaporating in the coming months?

00:16:31.000 Because I don't see them sticking around for too much longer.

00:16:34.000 I think with Trump, one of the things I was impressed with about him, while he might not have done a whole lot, he was more of a serious candidate than he has been in the past.

00:16:43.000 He didn't throw any bulldog insults around, he wasn't just kind of throwing out blatantly obvious, going around the question type of answers.

00:16:54.000 He was actually giving some serious answers that made sense to a lot of people, and I think that if he continues to do that, he has potential to stick around.

00:17:03.000 But I think at the end of the day, you're not going to get Donald Trump supporters from the left, and that is, you know, drawing from either side is what's going to win an election for a candidate, and I don't think that's possible for him just because he's been so, you know, barbaric with his insults in the past.

00:17:19.000 And I think Ben Carson's too far right to appeal to the left, and Carly Fiorina just hasn't really gained enough steam to, you know, really get to the forefront.

00:17:28.000 So, I think, like you said, it's only a matter of time before they dwindle off.

00:17:32.000 And even if Donald Trump does stick around until the end, I think he might still be on the ticket for the primaries, but I don't think he's going to have much success just because of his past and his insults.

00:17:41.000 Right.

00:17:42.000 Colin, last word.

00:17:44.000 I would say that if any of them are going to stick around, it's going to be Carson.

00:17:47.000 I think that Fiorina is, like he said, she doesn't have much of a firm standing and she hasn't really seen much of a points gain at all.

00:17:55.000 And I think that she probably will dwindle away.

00:17:57.000 Trump, similarly, has a problem that.

00:18:00.000 He's just coming out now with a lot of his platform, and you know, you really need to be pretty clear with that.

00:18:04.000 And that's one thing that a lot of the other candidates have done well is they've been quite clear with their platforms, or at least they've tried to.

00:18:10.000 Whereas Trump's kind of been wishy washy in a lot of things and has kind of reversed and also in offending people, he's just kind of lost some votes.

00:18:18.000 So I think that in the end, he's probably going to drop out too, even though he could definitely afford to stay in.

00:18:24.000 But with Carson, he's kind of weird in that, like him and Cruz right now, I don't actually know the exact percentage, but they're both doing quite well for the more.

00:18:33.000 Conservative elements of the Republican Party.

00:18:35.000 And I think if Carson can, you know, come back from this kind of eh performance and does really well in the next debate and Cruz does poorly, there could be some real competition there.

00:18:46.000 But I think if that isn't the case and he just performs just as he did at this debate, that he probably will fade out.

00:18:53.000 I agree with that.

00:18:54.000 Well, thank you, JP, Colin, our winners Cruz, Jindal, and Rubio.

00:18:59.000 I think that's very agreeable.

00:19:01.000 Coming up, we're going to take a short break.

00:19:03.000 come back we'll be talking losers of the 2016 debate.

00:19:07.000 Stay tuned.

00:19:15.000 Welcome back.

00:19:16.000 We're talking 2016 losers of the last debate, the fourth debate that was on Tuesday.

00:19:21.000 Now, we're going to start with, I think, the biggest loser out of all these, which was CNBC, surprisingly.

00:19:28.000 I think they offered one of the worst debates in modern political history last week, and Fox Business showed them to be the petty propagandists that they are, with a substantive debate on the issues, one where the candidates got to talk and not the moderators.

00:19:40.000 So I think that it is a shame for CNBC.

00:19:43.000 Now, the second loser, Scott Walker. 0.98

00:19:46.000 Scott Walker. 0.99

00:19:47.000 Is a lost cause.

00:19:48.000 It really is a shame that he got out before the first debate where candidates could actually finish a sentence.

00:19:54.000 Scott Walker had something very reeled off for the American people.

00:19:56.000 He was grassroots.

00:19:57.000 He had something done.

00:19:59.000 I think he would resemble a Bobby Jindal or Rand Paul, one of the unksung heroes of the race.

00:20:03.000 So I think it is a shame that Scott Walker was a loser of this race. 0.97

00:20:07.000 Now, the other losers are the governors. 0.98

00:20:09.000 Not all of them, but most of them. 0.98

00:20:11.000 Kasich, Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, and Chris Christie. 0.89

00:20:14.000 Now, Jeb Bush, I think, is the biggest loser of them all just on that.

00:20:18.000 Now, just July, just a few short months ago, He was number one, and that lead has almost totally evaporated.

00:20:24.000 This is largely because a younger, more charismatic, more youthful member has taken the establishment vote from him, and that's Marco Rubio.

00:20:31.000 Now, Jeb Bush initially was supposed to present himself as the experienced, moderate, and sensible candidate the entire establishment would get behind.

00:20:39.000 Since then, however, with all sorts of fumbles, all sorts of awkward, weird gasps, I think everyone's just off put by him.

00:20:46.000 He's kind of the Josh Peck of this entire race.

00:20:49.000 He's got a cooler, charming brother, but he just can't match up because he's awkward.

00:20:53.000 Even though he's smarter and dad's favorite, Nobody likes him. 1.00

00:20:57.000 Another loser, John Kasich. 0.99

00:20:59.000 It's no surprise, everyone agrees. 1.00

00:21:00.000 John Kasich was probably the biggest buffoon of this entire race. 0.62

00:21:04.000 And Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are in the same race. 0.98

00:21:07.000 He was loud. 0.96

00:21:08.000 He was obnoxious. 0.52

00:21:09.000 He was noticeably old. 0.94

00:21:10.000 He bought into everything.

00:21:11.000 He said that even though he got four minutes in the last debate, he proceeded to take up 15 minutes of this debate.

00:21:18.000 I don't think anybody likes him.

00:21:19.000 He continues to talk about his experience and not his platform.

00:21:23.000 He doesn't really have a platform.

00:21:25.000 It's high time John Kasich got out of the race.

00:21:27.000 Nobody really wants him there anymore. 0.89

00:21:29.000 The next two losers are, of course, Mike Huckabee and Chris Christie. 0.79

00:21:32.000 They were down from the primetime debate. 0.91

00:21:34.000 I don't think there's any recovering from that.

00:21:36.000 Now, Chris Christie was pretty slick in the undercard.

00:21:38.000 He defended himself okay against Bobby Jindal.

00:21:41.000 He couldn't really rebut the claims that he's not a real conservative, but he was able to pivot away from the attacks on Hillary Clinton.

00:21:48.000 That said, it was the undercard. 0.97

00:21:50.000 He was the king of the losers, and that's not saying much. 0.94

00:21:52.000 Mike Huckabee, same thing. 0.88

00:21:54.000 No one was really excited about him in the first place.

00:21:56.000 Now that he's in the undercard and he got whooped by Bobby Jindal, There's no hope.

00:22:01.000 His VAT tax proposal is falling on deaf ears. 0.98

00:22:04.000 The gay marriage argument, nobody's for that. 1.00

00:22:06.000 I think those two are going to get out real soon. 0.98

00:22:09.000 And then, of course, the last loser is Rick Santorum.

00:22:12.000 My God, how is Rick Santorum still in the race? 0.60

00:22:14.000 He couldn't get out a single sentence.

00:22:16.000 He was stuttering worse than that kid in Billy Madison.

00:22:18.000 Honestly, it's so off putting when someone like Rick Santorum is so desperate, so nervous.

00:22:22.000 Be a little confident.

00:22:24.000 He had a relatively good platform.

00:22:25.000 He was talking about manufacturing, about jobs, about fiscal conservatism, about getting things done.

00:22:30.000 He's like Bobby Jindal, but Like Jeb Bush, he's just not likable enough.

00:22:33.000 He's too awkward, too poor of a delivery, just lacks the confidence to be the commander in chief.

00:22:38.000 Ironically, he couldn't even get out the words commander in chief when he was talking about it.

00:22:42.000 Now, panel, JP Collin, I think this one's a little bit easier.

00:22:45.000 We had one major loser, but who do you think were the losers of this debate, JP?

00:22:49.000 I mean, you kind of said it all.

00:22:51.000 John Kasich, for me, was the biggest loser, but I mean, if you're going to go beyond the obvious, Huckabee and Christie, just by the sense that they were there in the first place, makes them a loser because.

00:23:04.000 You know, regardless of their performance, if they don't wipe the floor with everybody in the undercard debate, they're not proving that they should have been in the primetime at any point in this race.

00:23:15.000 And I think that's what they needed to do if they wanted to garner any more momentum for their campaigns.

00:23:22.000 And I think Huckabee is just kind of a lost cause just because he's more of a social conservative.

00:23:29.000 And I think that for this America, that's not really going to resonate very well because, you know, the whole gay marriage thing is kind of a lost cause with the whole Supreme Court ruling.

00:23:37.000 And I think most Americans are just against him in that sense anyway.

00:23:42.000 And then Chris Christie, I think he's a very good speaker.

00:23:46.000 He's kind of like a contained Donald Trump when it comes to giving, you know, speaking his mind.

00:23:51.000 But I think that in order for him to have gotten back to the primetime debate, he had to use that, you know, I'm going to speak what's on my mind attribute about him more effectively because right now he just remembered as the guy that confronted Bobby Jindal and lost.

00:24:09.000 So, I think that's really going to hurt him.

00:24:11.000 Colin?

00:24:11.000 That's a good point.

00:24:12.000 Well, these are the losers. 0.95

00:24:14.000 So, I mean, all of them perform poorly, quite clearly. 0.99

00:24:18.000 The biggest loser is hard. 0.94

00:24:19.000 Kasich? 0.99

00:24:20.000 Kasich?

00:24:21.000 Kasich.

00:24:22.000 It doesn't matter.

00:24:23.000 Yeah, it doesn't matter because he messed up really bad this time.

00:24:26.000 You know, calling out people in the middle of their speaking and just being generally obnoxious is not what you want to do during a debate.

00:24:32.000 And, you know, while that kind of worked a little bit for Trump earlier on and kind of, you know, being a little bit of an antagonist, it's no longer even Trump's strategy to do that because he realized it's not something that you want to do.

00:24:43.000 Once you're trying to look serious. 1.00

00:24:44.000 And he just made himself look like an idiot. 0.99

00:24:48.000 And in doing so, I mean, even though being an intelligent, extremely smart person isn't something that in America we always prefer as a politician either, coming off as really dumb is not something that you should do. 1.00

00:25:01.000 And obnoxiousness and rudeness is not something you want to see in a candidate.

00:25:05.000 So he definitely did very poorly. 0.99

00:25:07.000 John Kasich was definitely the biggest loser. 0.98

00:25:07.000 I agree. 0.98

00:25:09.000 I think everyone agrees with that.

00:25:11.000 It's such a shame because even the Trump doctrine was effective.

00:25:15.000 Because it was anti political correctness police. 0.70

00:25:17.000 It was anti Democrats, anti politicians, and people resonate with that, but just an old man yelling at everyone? 0.82

00:25:25.000 Nobody likes that.

00:25:26.000 Now, having said that with John Kasich, why do you think it is that the governors are doing so poorly?

00:25:31.000 Moderates like Chris Christie were favorites.

00:25:33.000 Moderates like Jeb Bush, favorites.

00:25:34.000 John Kasich even jumped in and there was hope for him.

00:25:37.000 Why is it that they've fallen so far?

00:25:39.000 I think that at first they had the message oh, I'm not from Washington, so now I don't have that Washington establishment attribute about me.

00:25:50.000 But I think right now you're seeing people like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.

00:25:54.000 They are people that are, yes, they're from Washington, but they haven't been there for very long.

00:25:59.000 Plus, they've seen it firsthand, so they know what they would do differently and what they would do to fix Washington.

00:26:05.000 And I think that you're going to start seeing that pivot towards the people that have been in Washington and know what goes on there rather than people that are governors.

00:26:14.000 And there is sort of an executive experience that comes with being a governor, but it's different when you're leading a state versus a country.

00:26:20.000 When you have the control of a military and you have the control of an international economy versus the state, local economies.

00:26:28.000 And I think that that whole anti Washington thing, it's still there because you see Trump and the other outsiders that are still here.

00:26:37.000 But I think it's definitely waning and you're starting to see people that are actually in Washington having strategies to fix it.

00:26:44.000 Right, Colin?

00:26:46.000 I think moderate crowds are also dying out just because their competition is really strong.

00:26:49.000 And Rubio being the biggest one of them.

00:26:52.000 It's hard to do well against him when he's in the primetime debate and these guys are in the whatever it's called.

00:26:57.000 I can't remember the name.

00:26:59.000 But nonetheless, Rubio's a tough candidate to beat.

00:27:01.000 And in doing the more moderate role, he's done a great job at establishing himself as the more moderate candidate.

00:27:08.000 And these guys, while they've come out as moderate and a lot of the things they have done is something that you could see as moderate, they just haven't gotten the attention that Rubio has because they aren't as young.

00:27:18.000 They aren't as attractive in terms of both their speaking style and in terms of just physical attractiveness.

00:27:23.000 I think that's also a factor here.

00:27:25.000 You've got to look electable to win.

00:27:26.000 And, you know, Rubio's got that.

00:27:28.000 These guys don't.

00:27:29.000 And I think that it just mostly comes down to the fact that Rubio's dominating.

00:27:33.000 No, I think you're exactly right.

00:27:34.000 And it is, I don't want to say it's a shame because I would prefer Mark Rubio over Jeb Bush, but I think it is sort of a shame that we've gotten away from the issues, that someone could think they're conservative and like Mark Rubio because of the looks.

00:27:46.000 But with that in mind, I think there is a Jeb Bush phenomenon, that he's doing so poorly against Mark Rubio, just like there's a Trump phenomenon.

00:27:54.000 I don't really know what it is, but why is it that someone like Jeb Bush, someone who's so conservative, who had a brother and a father who were president, who has all this experience, has all the right things, says George W. Bush defended this country, Why does everyone hate him all of a sudden?

00:28:08.000 Why is he not doing as well as people expected?

00:28:08.000 What's the problem?

00:28:10.000 Well, I think he's certainly smarter than his brother, but I think his brother was the better speaker because he was able to garner that emotion from the crowd.

00:28:19.000 And Jeb Bush, the only emotion that he's getting is the kind of I'm shy and I'm trying to come off.

00:28:26.000 Even when he tries to come off as confident and in your face, he just trips over his words again. 0.99

00:28:32.000 And then that just makes him look even more foolish. 0.93

00:28:34.000 So he needs to garner a whole lot more charisma if he ever wants to gain a lot more momentum. 0.98

00:28:40.000 Because he certainly has the brain power to be an effective legislator and an effective executive.

00:28:46.000 And he also has the history to back up his claim that he can be an effective president, but he just cannot keep mumbling and tripping over his own words if he wants to resonate with the American people and get his message across.

00:29:00.000 Right, Colin?

00:29:01.000 Well, I think the Josh Peck comparison is quite apt.

00:29:05.000 His family were great speakers.

00:29:07.000 They were, well, for conservatives, they were good presidents.

00:29:11.000 Others would definitely tend to disagree.

00:29:12.000 But, you know, they've done a good job as a family, and he's, like you said, the awkward one.

00:29:17.000 And, sorry, you know, it's kind of unfortunate for him in that he is probably the smartest Bush.

00:29:25.000 He is probably the most well informed Bush.

00:29:28.000 It's just that he can't speak well.

00:29:29.000 He lacks the charisma that you said.

00:29:31.000 And, you know, that's what the Bushes had going for them, especially W, in that most of what his success in his campaign was based off of was just being a good speaker and having that charisma with him.

00:29:44.000 So.

00:29:45.000 No, and I think you're right.

00:29:46.000 And I think it's sort of a new thing.

00:29:48.000 I think it's almost a revolution that you're seeing within the Republican Party.

00:29:52.000 I know Sean Hannity always calls it a battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party, but you're seeing this battle play out in the Republican Party, not so much with the Democrats.

00:30:01.000 The Democrats have their established, you know, Hillary Clinton, who had a coronation, basically.

00:30:06.000 She's beating Bernie in a landslide. 0.93

00:30:08.000 Obviously, the Dems have no problem electing someone from the same family.

00:30:12.000 Do you think it's totally different?

00:30:13.000 Do you think this is a paradigm shift, a game changer within the Republican Party?

00:30:17.000 That a Jeb Bush, whose American royalty is being unseated by the likes of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio?

00:30:23.000 I definitely think that's part of it.

00:30:25.000 I think a lot of people, just the fact that he was a Bush, would count him out for a lot of even moderates and moderate Republicans, or well, not so much Republicans, but people on the left.

00:30:37.000 I think you do see that on the left side.

00:30:40.000 You see people thinking, oh, well, Bill Clinton was a great president.

00:30:42.000 And to a lot of people, he was a good president and he was a good legislator.

00:30:45.000 Putting aside the controversy, they have, you know, substantial.

00:30:50.000 Experience in politics, and that's what a lot of people's argument is well, she's the most qualified. 0.96

00:30:56.000 She was the first lady, she was a senator, she was a secretary of state.

00:31:00.000 But for me, what trumps the experience is the controversy because I want a president that I can trust, and if I can't trust the president, you know, that just kind of, you know, sweeps the entire thing under the rug.

00:31:11.000 And I think when you see the Bushes, maybe they didn't have as much legislative success as other presidents did, but they were, you know, people recognized that, you know, H.W. Bush served his country in World War II, so that was a big thing for a lot of people, and he was the vice president to Reagan, and he was very much successful for the Republicans, and a lot of people like that too.

00:31:31.000 So, you see people on the right, they're kind of like feeling about Jeb Bush that he is less charismatic, and that was, like you said, Colin, what the Bushes had going for them.

00:31:42.000 So, if he doesn't have that, then he's not really going to have much to appeal to the masses of the people that are going to be the swing vote.

00:31:49.000 I don't really know what people see in Hillary Clinton, to be honest, but hey, that's just my opinion. 0.99

00:31:56.000 That's not your party.

00:31:57.000 All right, Colin, last words.

00:31:59.000 I'd say that when it comes to some sort of really dramatic change in the Republican Party, That I don't think it's really a change in the Republican Party as much as it is within the whole political dynamic.

00:32:11.000 And that, you know, even though Hillary's doing well and she is at Clinton, that's not her big deal in her campaign.

00:32:17.000 Like, that's not really what she's emphasizing.

00:32:19.000 And, you know, she is at Clinton, like I said, but she has other things.

00:32:24.000 Whereas Jeb, he has other things, but most of his attention at first was because he was at Bush.

00:32:29.000 And, you know, if he had maybe come out and had his own thoughts and, You know, really been a good, charismatic speaker.

00:32:38.000 I don't think we would see this much of a loss, but Hillary, there's no competition for her, so she did really well just because of that alone.

00:32:45.000 But also, she had other things in her platform, whereas Jeb really didn't, and like we said, not a good speaker really.

00:32:52.000 So just his failures mostly a result of all those factors.

00:32:57.000 This is a game changer.

00:32:57.000 I agree.

00:32:58.000 I think the youth are starting to be more interested in politics, which is a good thing.

00:33:02.000 I feel like even eight years ago when it was Bush versus McCain, or Bush.

00:33:07.000 Obama versus McCain.

00:33:09.000 I think the general feeling was lesser to evil.

00:33:11.000 Same in 2012.

00:33:12.000 And I think we're finally moving away from that.

00:33:15.000 This is changing our time, I think, and I think it is productive.

00:33:18.000 But you heard it here first. 0.99

00:33:20.000 John Kasich, biggest loser. 0.99

00:33:21.000 Thank you, JP. 0.99

00:33:22.000 Thank you, Colin.

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - November 16, 2015

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