America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - December 08, 2015


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Feminism, Black Lives Matter, Social Justice, the Living Wage, and universal health care - what does all of this have in common? What does it mean to be a feminist? And why does it matter that women are getting paid less than men?

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody.
00:00:02.000 Welcome to the Nicholas J. Fuentes Show.
00:00:04.000 I am Nicholas J. Fuentes. 0.93
00:00:05.000 Today's topic feminism.
00:00:08.000 What exactly defines a feminist in the 21st century?
00:00:11.000 Is the modern feminist movement true to its core principles, and is it representative of the majority of women in America?
00:00:17.000 Are those core principles consistent with the founding principles of individual liberty and equality of opportunity?
00:00:23.000 The answer to these questions and more coming up.
00:00:31.000 Feminism, Black Lives Matter, social justice, sustainable development, environmentalism, the living wage, universal health care.
00:00:39.000 What do these all have in common?
00:00:40.000 These are all concepts or goals that nobody disagrees with.
00:00:45.000 I, as a Tea Party Republican, believe in equality for women, believe that black lives matter.
00:00:51.000 I believe in social justice.
00:00:53.000 I support sustainable development.
00:00:54.000 I believe we should protect the environment, and I believe that everybody should make enough money to feed themselves and have access to health care.
00:01:01.000 Believe it or not, Republicans and Democrats share the same objectives.
00:01:05.000 The real debate is over the means to achieve them.
00:01:08.000 But for 40 years, the left and the right, but particularly the left, has hijacked these noble objectives as solely their own.
00:01:17.000 They have framed the debate in such a way that if you're not with them on the means, then you're against them on the ends.
00:01:23.000 And only a Sith deals in absolutes. 0.95
00:01:26.000 If you don't want a government overhaul of the entire healthcare industry and a Leviathan bureaucracy to administer it, then you must want poor people dropping dead in the streets due to preventable illnesses just so you could spare a quick buck, you capitalist swine. 1.00
00:01:39.000 If you don't want hordes of young, violent, ignorant punks calling for the murder of innocent police officers that raze entire neighborhoods, then you're a racist and you don't care if black people die. 0.98
00:01:49.000 If you don't want another 10 year bloody, trillion dollar nation building engagement in the Middle East and the corresponding panopticon surveillance state at home, which uses the Bill of Rights as toilet paper, well, then you're an isolationist and just as responsible as the terrorists for killing innocent civilians, all because you wanted your precious privacy. 0.99
00:02:09.000 The list goes on and on, and this is so crucial.
00:02:11.000 In understanding this discussion about feminism, because without a concrete and honest assessment of the underlying principles of the movement and its reforms, we cannot have a reasonable discussion on how best to achieve the desirable ends which we all pray for a more just society.
00:02:28.000 Now, the definition of feminism is advocacy of women's rights on the basis of political, economic, and social equality to men.
00:02:35.000 Now, at face value, this seems reasonable.
00:02:37.000 Women should be equal and have rights, of course, but analyze closer. 0.92
00:02:42.000 Political equality in what sense? 1.00
00:02:44.000 Equality of opportunity or equality of outcome?
00:02:47.000 Is it preferable that both sexes have an equal opportunity to participate in the political process or that both sexes are equally proportionately represented in government? 0.84
00:02:56.000 Let's tackle equality of outcome first. 0.98
00:02:59.000 Now, presently, women represent 18.5% of the House and 20% of the Senate. 1.00
00:03:05.000 Outrageous, cry feminists. 1.00
00:03:07.000 Women are 50% of the population. 1.00
00:03:09.000 Surely they should have 50% of the seats in Congress. 0.91
00:03:12.000 However, as Thomas Sowell once said, almost nowhere in human affairs do you find people equally represented.
00:03:19.000 In 2011, the NBA was composed of 78% black players and 17% white players, even though whites make up 63.7% of the total population and blacks only 12%.
00:03:32.000 Should we fire 30% of senators to replace them with women and fire 65% of the NBA to replace them with whites? 0.99
00:03:39.000 Now, of course, this would achieve equality of outcome. 1.00
00:03:42.000 They would be equally represented.
00:03:43.000 But would it not be sexist and racist to hire and fire based solely on race and gender? 0.99
00:03:49.000 Equality of opportunity would dictate that so long as there are no legal or de facto barriers to female participation in politics, then the percentage of women would merely reflect women's preferences. 0.98
00:04:01.000 In this scenario, equality is consistent with liberty, and America is united, seeing Congress not as a battlefield for social division, but as the wretched hive of scum and villainy which it is. 0.67
00:04:12.000 Economic equality. 0.88
00:04:14.000 Once again, the question becomes equality of opportunity or equality of outcome.
00:04:19.000 One of the most commonly accepted fallacies originates from this debate the mythical gender wage gap. 1.00
00:04:26.000 Now, for almost 40 years, feminists have rallied against a sexist nation which only pays its women 77 cents for every dollar a man makes.
00:04:35.000 Even the phrasing of this nonsensical claim is deliberately misleading.
00:04:40.000 This oversimplification and accompanying outrage implies that somehow women are getting paid less just for being women, as though somewhere every major company gets together to index the rate at which women are paid so that they're only getting 77 cents to the man's dollar.
00:04:56.000 In actuality, to state the same fact in a more sensible and honest way, average income for all women is 77% of the average income for all men.
00:05:05.000 Nobody disputes this.
00:05:07.000 What is disputed is that this represents a wage gap or systemic institutionalized sexism. 0.98
00:05:15.000 If we connect the dots here for a moment on this notion that women are paid 23% less than men across the country, then the foregone assumption, the foregone conclusion, is that somehow at almost every business, every place of employment, The employer is a sexist pig who hates women and purposely pays them less.
00:05:33.000 Also, ignoring the fact that if this were true, any company could lower their labor costs by 23% just by hiring all women, and they could drive any other company in America out of business.
00:05:44.000 Now, this wild assumption aside, the data does not support any wage gap when you're comparing comparable groups of people. 0.73
00:05:51.000 Now, on average, women work less hours than men, work less consecutive years than men, work different jobs than men, and study different subjects in college than men.
00:06:01.000 Therefore, comparing their wages to men's in the aggregate is comparing apples to oranges.
00:06:07.000 In all fields, when controlled for comparable hours, experience, time in the workforce, and education, the wage gap all but disappears, and in some cases, women make more than men.
00:06:17.000 Equal pay for equal work is real economic equality, and that is just what we have under the present system.
00:06:24.000 Equality of opportunity, too, applies here. 0.51
00:06:26.000 So long as there are no barriers to female participation in the workforce, unequal outcomes are the result of unequal. or equal opportunity, unequal inputs, and the freedom to choose. 0.96
00:06:36.000 Finally, we have social equality.
00:06:39.000 Now, really, this can only be measured comparatively.
00:06:41.000 There's no objective quantitative measure of culture.
00:06:44.000 But let's look at other cultures, as ours is generally just chivalrous behavior.
00:06:49.000 In India, it is not uncommon for women to be burned alive by their husbands if her family does not provide sufficient dowry, you know, because they still arrange marriages there. 0.89
00:06:58.000 In Saudi Arabia, famously, famously, women are not allowed to drive, leave the house, Show any skin in public and in many cases in private, or pray in the same spaces as men. 0.96
00:07:10.000 In more than 30 countries, female genital mutilation is employed to purify women's bodies.
00:07:15.000 And in more than 14 countries, women are killed to preserve family honor. 1.00
00:07:19.000 Given these examples and countless more around the world today, frankly, I find it sickening when feminists here will condemn America from the cushion of their computer chairs and behind a screen for manspreading or being catcalled. 1.00
00:07:32.000 Now, of course, there's a question of abortion and birth control. 1.00
00:07:35.000 Now, abortion is a debate.
00:07:37.000 Fundamentally, about the supremacy of rights of either the mother or the unborn child.
00:07:41.000 The contraceptive debate is a debate about positive and negative rights.
00:07:45.000 Contrary to the political circus, neither of these issues constitute a war on women.
00:07:50.000 There's no baby killers, there's no people oppressing women, has nothing to do with this.
00:07:54.000 Rather, these are complicated constitutional questions which happen to be regarding a feature specific to women.
00:08:02.000 Many also propagate the absurd claim that one in five women get raped in college, that there is some invisible rape epidemic on college campuses.
00:08:09.000 But these statistics are misleading.
00:08:12.000 The one in five number is based on a study, one study, which surveyed two universities.
00:08:17.000 And the survey itself was bogus anyway.
00:08:20.000 According to the Washington Examiner, this study was actually an online survey that took 15 minutes to complete.
00:08:26.000 Only 5,000 people took it, and they were provided a $10 Amazon gift card on its completion.
00:08:32.000 This survey would not pass AP statistics, let alone serve as basis to shape federal policy. 0.92
00:08:38.000 It seems then that the only widespread social problems women face today in America is obnoxious men, but that's an everybody problem. 0.54
00:08:46.000 After breaking down each of the goals of feminism, which are political, economic, and social equality in America, You can sensibly conclude that feminism had won a long time ago and is now an anachronism in the 21st century West.
00:08:59.000 Modern feminism, modern Western women have more economic, political, and social equality than women of any other country at any other time in history.
00:09:08.000 We should be grateful and not so spiteful. 0.97
00:09:11.000 The real feminist movement ought to be directed at Asia, the Middle East, and Africa.
00:09:16.000 And it is shameful to pretend that the imaginary oppression of women in America even approaches the real persecution of more than 50% of the world's women in these regions.
00:09:26.000 I support the liberty of all groups anywhere, so call me a feminist.
00:09:30.000 But the fight for women's rights here is over.
00:09:32.000 Now it's time to win it over there. 1.00
00:09:34.000 Coming up, I debate modern feminism with two real life women. 1.00
00:09:38.000 Take that, Dad. 0.99
00:09:40.000 So stick around, we'll be back after a short break.
00:09:49.000 Welcome back. 1.00
00:09:51.000 The subject of our show today is feminism. 0.94
00:09:53.000 We have a lovely panel here today representing a wide spectrum of ideas and philosophies. 0.89
00:09:58.000 We have Hallie Sturrett and Ann Staple-Callett.
00:10:01.000 Now, ladies, we'll just go down the line. 1.00
00:10:03.000 What is your opinion of modern feminism, Ann? 0.99
00:10:05.000 Well, I would say I'm a supporter of it.
00:10:07.000 I know earlier before the cameras were rolling, you mentioned third-wave feminism, and I think that I agree with you that a lot of those things are based on the outcome versus means, I think was the word that you used, and I think that over decades and centuries, the outcome versus means, Outcome has always been the same, but I think criticizing the means is what you're really going about.
00:10:28.000 So, then, Anne, is there still a need for feminism in America, or do you think we've largely achieved the objectives that we sought out?
00:10:35.000 Absolutely, I think there's still a need for feminism in America.
00:10:37.000 And I agree with what you're saying that there are definitely things globally that we need to focus on, but I think it's a bogus way of thinking to say that because other people are suffering, that makes our suffering invalid. 0.95
00:10:47.000 I think what feminism is, is it covers all of those grounds and it covers every single thing.
00:10:52.000 And I know that I come from a place of privilege when I say that, and I'm not saying that my My needs as an upper middle class white woman in America are more important than anyone overseas in Africa or Asia.
00:11:05.000 But I think that feminism is about making our objectives equal.
00:11:12.000 So the things that we need to do over there and the things that we need to help with are equally as important as the things that we still need to deal with in the U.S. 0.99
00:11:18.000 Well, what are those things that we still need to deal with?
00:11:21.000 I mean, in Saudi Arabia, they're cutting people's heads off for adultery. 1.00
00:11:24.000 And here, I mean, what's the biggest issue that women face? 1.00
00:11:27.000 The biggest issue that women face, yeah, there's higher rates of domestic violence among women. 1.00
00:11:34.000 There is higher rates of sexual harassment in the workplace because of women. 1.00
00:11:38.000 There is what I think to be an epidemic of sexual assault on college campuses.
00:11:46.000 And I understand that you're citing an obviously bogus survey, but I still think that it's something that needs to be looked at.
00:11:57.000 And I also think that equality within Romantic and sexual relationships need to be equal between men and women, which I don't think they are right now.
00:12:05.000 Yeah, I understand that there's not anything near the things that we used to face or the things that other countries are facing, but that doesn't mean that we need to turn a blind eye to it and say we're good enough.
00:12:14.000 I think good enough isn't how we should look at equal rights between men and women.
00:12:18.000 Well, fair enough.
00:12:19.000 And I don't mean to minimize the problems that women face in America. 1.00
00:12:22.000 Obviously, there is domestic violence. 0.87
00:12:23.000 Obviously, there is sexual assault and harassment. 1.00
00:12:26.000 My argument more stems from what is the end game for feminism? 1.00
00:12:31.000 I understand that you're always going to have these problems. 1.00
00:12:34.000 It is a shame that we live in a world like that.
00:12:36.000 We are essentially a species like that.
00:12:38.000 But what is the end game?
00:12:40.000 You know, Thomas Sowell refers to the open ended fallacy.
00:12:42.000 He's an economist.
00:12:44.000 At what point do we achieve total equality or an acceptable level of equality?
00:12:51.000 Well, I don't know.
00:12:52.000 I don't see that there's like really an end game that people do have like with this.
00:12:57.000 I mean, there's always going to be issues that people have, and there's not really like people don't have an agenda.
00:13:02.000 Like, whoever started these feminist movements back in like the 1800s, they didn't.
00:13:07.000 I wouldn't say they had.
00:13:08.000 I mean, and I don't know that they ever saw it getting as far as they did with all the things that they accomplished.
00:13:15.000 With that being said, there's things like in all social issues that people are always going to be pushing for more.
00:13:21.000 So I don't know if there's ever going to be a point where we're satisfied.
00:13:25.000 And that's sort of human nature that they're always driven to be better and achieve more.
00:13:30.000 And we just see this more and more how we want more rights for everyone.
00:13:34.000 And I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I am saying that there is.
00:13:37.000 A point where some people are going to realize that enough is enough and you can't always achieve what you have in your ideal mind?
00:13:45.000 Well, I think that, I don't think there is an end objective.
00:13:48.000 Well, I think that there's, I think that, I mean, we've all agreed, and it's said by every single person always that, like, we're never going to achieve these things.
00:13:57.000 We're never going to get everything perfect, and I think that's absolutely true.
00:14:01.000 But I also think that what's, that can't stop people from still trying to make a better society.
00:14:07.000 And I think that that's never, a perfect society is not going to be achieved in our lifetime or our kids' lifetime or our grandkids' lifetime.
00:14:15.000 But I still think that the point of, The point of feminism and the point of fighting racism and the point of pushing for equality, there isn't a specific on this day when this happens, we will be done, but it is a continuous effort to make things better for our generation, for the generation that comes next.
00:14:32.000 All right, well, I think that's a fair conclusion to that question.
00:14:34.000 I think we can find some common ground there that we all agree that we always should be striving for more.
00:14:39.000 I think the difference of opinions here is what constitutes sufficient.
00:14:44.000 Right, exactly.
00:14:45.000 But I guess that's a good common ground to be at.
00:14:48.000 Now, the second question, of course, is.
00:14:50.000 Fact or fiction, the gender wage gap.
00:14:52.000 What are your thoughts?
00:14:54.000 Well, I don't want to argue all the statistics that you've thrown out already.
00:15:02.000 I think that it's something we need to look at and it's something we need to be taking seriously.
00:15:07.000 I don't have the numbers that you do to back those kind of things up, and I don't have the statistic to shut you down, but I don't think that we're ready to wave that off as being imaginary yet.
00:15:17.000 All right, Allie?
00:15:18.000 I would agree with Ann.
00:15:19.000 Really?
00:15:20.000 You know, see, because I hear often, and there was.
00:15:23.000 A women's rights group I was reading about was reported by the American Enterprise Institute.
00:15:27.000 And they actually said in their 2007 report on the gender pay gap that most of it was because of women's choices.
00:15:35.000 And I think.
00:15:36.000 What women's choices specifically are you citing there?
00:15:38.000 What women's choices for what they want to study in college, what they want to do as a business, family choices. 0.76
00:15:43.000 Family choices, so taking care of children. 0.96
00:15:46.000 Right, exactly.
00:15:47.000 So I wouldn't say.
00:15:50.000 You see, that's something that I would look at as a woman's choice.
00:15:54.000 I would ask the question how much of that is women's choice?
00:15:56.000 And how much of those things are things that they are expected to do, especially with mothers choosing not to go into the workplace? 1.00
00:16:02.000 Is that always their choice?
00:16:03.000 And I'm not saying that there aren't women who make the choice to stay at home, and I'm not saying that that's a bad choice.
00:16:09.000 I completely support that choice to have that be what you dedicate your time to.
00:16:14.000 But I think that that's kind of a false way to look at it because I don't know the motives for a lot of those choices that women are making that lead to that number.
00:16:24.000 Well, and that's the argument that they make is that the real sexism is not exactly the institutional discrimination in the workforce.
00:16:30.000 But more so the societal discrimination when people pigeonhole women into certain professions or lifestyles.
00:16:37.000 And I tend to disagree with that on the grounds not of that women should do something or should not live a certain way, but on the grounds of women are the most educated gender.
00:16:48.000 They're graduating college at higher rates, more degrees, and in many instances making more money than men in certain fields, like I said.
00:16:54.000 So I think on the grounds of human dignity, I don't know if we need a maternalistic or paternalistic feminist movement saying to women, Well, your choices are invalid because you're not making as much money, or we should have total equity.
00:17:07.000 I think these reflect preferences.
00:17:08.000 You know, just as with the NBA and just as with, you know, engineering degrees, you look at aeronautical engineering or metallurgy engineering, it's 80, 90% men who get those degrees.
00:17:19.000 I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing that people are making disparate choices.
00:17:22.000 I think you have that in a free society.
00:17:24.000 I wouldn't say that I think it's a bad thing that there's making those choices, but the effect of those making the choices is that then becomes the norm of what?
00:17:31.000 I mean, I feel like it's a cycle that feeds itself. 0.56
00:17:32.000 Because these people make these choices, you get these fields that are majorly men.
00:17:37.000 And that within itself may be okay, but what happens then is that becomes the expectation that that's how things become a man's field.
00:17:46.000 The reason that they're in the men's field isn't the problem, but the reason that they're then expected to be a more masculine field of study, I feel like it fuels itself to make that argument.
00:17:58.000 It becomes a cycle.
00:17:59.000 I would agree with her on that, just because, like, as me, I'm looking into it, like, I want to major in math, and it's just kind of like when you tell people that.
00:18:07.000 It's you kind of like are given a strange look, or you know, like I don't know that I'm not someone that should be doing that.
00:18:14.000 And I took calc at COD this semester, and the class was I think we had five girls and 25 boys, so it's like it's largely males.
00:18:24.000 And it's like they don't really, I'm not like they don't disrespect you, but they kind of like it's like if you don't do something correctly, you're not, it's kind of like expected almost.
00:18:35.000 And it's like they kind of, it's not that they want you to fail, but it's not a surprise, yeah.
00:18:40.000 When it does happen.
00:18:41.000 And I would say that is generally speaking, like women are more sensitive than men.
00:18:49.000 And like girls probably, I mean, they do get discouraged more easily than men.
00:18:56.000 Like they don't, they can't just like put up a, you know, a shell.
00:18:59.000 And this is generally speaking, obviously, because there are exceptions.
00:19:04.000 But I don't think that, like, if it's completely dominated by males and then you go into it, it's, And you fail like they expect you to, then it's an expectation and it's not so much a choice, as she was saying.
00:19:19.000 No, and I agree, and I think you made some good points there, especially that women I do think are pressured into certain fields or pressured out of them.
00:19:28.000 Where I disagree is that I think the movement is then not, well, we need feminism then to support women to go into these fields so that they cannot feel pressured.
00:19:38.000 I think, because I am libertarian, I think the pressure should then be.
00:19:42.000 Well, everyone should just be an individual.
00:19:44.000 If we are going to be a gender blind, color blind society, and that's a very Marxist conception. 0.52
00:19:49.000 You don't want to be a gender and color blind society. 0.88
00:19:51.000 That's true.
00:19:52.000 And I think if we want total equality, it should be that women should be supported and given the courage to take up those fields in spite of that.
00:20:02.000 And I think feminism can be a way for that to happen.
00:20:06.000 That's what I was about to say. 1.00
00:20:07.000 I mean, what.
00:20:08.000 Because, and I understand that personal anecdotes are helpful, but sometimes they don't prove a point.
00:20:13.000 But for me, a lot of the things that I. You know, we're at the stage where we're going and we're starting to decide our professional careers.
00:20:19.000 And I think that's super cool that you're majoring in math, by the way, that's awesome.
00:20:22.000 And deciding, you know, what I would like to major in in college, where I'd like to go to college.
00:20:26.000 A lot of the things that I've been looking at, I've definitely felt discouraged because it feels like a male dominated field. 0.73
00:20:33.000 I'm going for music, probably music design and production.
00:20:36.000 And a lot of the things, especially from a performance aspect and from a production aspect, it is a fairly male dominated industry. 0.93
00:20:46.000 And what has really helped me, Find my motivation to go into it anyway has been the feminist movement and seeing other powerful women who support feminism doing those things.
00:20:57.000 So, when you say women being supported into going into fields, I think that's what feminism is good for.
00:21:02.000 Well, yeah, and good for you then, and good for feminism that it does have that positive effect.
00:21:07.000 I think we should support causes like that. 0.53
00:21:09.000 But going back to the gender wage gap, I think then if I can pitch a resolution here, another common ground, if you will, I think then the solution is not the Equal Pay Act, which will force. 0.51
00:21:20.000 Employers to pay the same for women according to rigid standards.
00:21:23.000 I think businesses generally pay equal amounts for equal work given the competitive nature of business.
00:21:29.000 I think then the solution to the supposed gender wage gap problem, I don't think the problem is the gender wage gap.
00:21:35.000 I think the gap is in those fields and the pressure on women.
00:21:40.000 So, then I think the solution would not be anything that addresses employers, but more so feminist groups and women.
00:21:47.000 And I think that should be more of a social movement, more of a social outreach by feminists and other strong women in those fields like math to reach out to young women rather than some legislation by Congress.
00:21:58.000 Do you guys agree with that?
00:21:59.000 I would agree with Sir Nixon, and I think that we're making those movements to have things like that, especially in STEM fields.
00:22:07.000 I still would, I'm not ready, and I guess this may come from a lack of information, but I don't know if I'm ready to write off the idea of making sure that there is equal pay for equal work, and I obviously don't know as much as you about that topic specifically, but I would say, I guess, on a fairly general scope, I agree with you.
00:22:27.000 All right, very good.
00:22:28.000 And then, Hal?
00:22:29.000 Yeah, I would say I agree with both of you on the fact that, well, I don't know enough to say that I don't want a legislation about it, but I also think that there's not really that much of an effort.
00:22:41.000 If you are going into a field that's not so like, you know, like women involved and whatever, I feel like people make it kind of uncomfortable for you.
00:22:51.000 Like, alienating.
00:22:52.000 Yeah, like when you do show interest, like it's like you're almost being pushed to so much that you don't want to do it because that makes it feel more uncomfortable than if you were just to go in and experience it naturally.
00:23:03.000 Like, people hear, like, that I'm interested in math, and it's like, now I'm overly being pushed.
00:23:08.000 Like, oh, that's great. 0.58
00:23:09.000 Like, because not many women are doing that. 1.00
00:23:10.000 Like, we need more women in math. 1.00
00:23:12.000 We need more blah, blah. 1.00
00:23:13.000 And then it's like, Look at this person who did it before you, and it's like, I don't really like, I just kind of want to experience things for myself.
00:23:20.000 But then when it's like being pushed on you, that it's so almost like counterproductive what they're trying to do because it's looked at as an unnatural thing.
00:23:29.000 Like, you should just be able to do what you want without like you know having these things.
00:23:34.000 And if that need, if you need to have equal pay like guaranteed from the government to ensure that you are able to do what you want to, then maybe that is what we need to do.
00:23:43.000 I think your solution is good, but I also think that that.
00:23:46.000 Nature of solution would take a long time to set itself in society and in our culture.
00:23:54.000 You're right, and it is those social movements which are the most difficult.
00:23:58.000 And my opposition to feminism comes not from an opposition to women's rights or anything like that.
00:24:02.000 I think we do have a lack of empathy and understanding in the modern discourse where people can't find the common ground and the objectives or in common means relating to them.
00:24:13.000 So I think that it is going to take a social movement, and as someone that's for limited government, My problem with feminism comes from government as an expedient, as something, a band aid on a much larger social problem that we've discovered, which is women being pressured, rather than just something that can be legislated away, signed by the president.
00:24:32.000 I would hardly call it a band aid and more of a means of help.
00:24:38.000 Because I agree that I think that these things will mostly be solved.
00:24:41.000 I mean, it's going to take a strong social movement to get these things, but as we just said, it's going to take a long time.
00:24:47.000 And what about?
00:24:49.000 What about now?
00:24:50.000 And as I said earlier, I mean, we are pushing for the next generation.
00:24:53.000 And the reason we're doing these things is so when we have kids and we see each other at our high school reunions, we know that our kids will be having better opportunities than we did.
00:25:01.000 But that still doesn't exclude the people that are living in this culture right now that aren't getting the same opportunities that they deserve.
00:25:08.000 And how do we deal with those right now instead of just saying brushing them to the side and looking towards what's going to happen in 30, 40, 50 years?
00:25:16.000 Yeah, and that's, I guess that's true.
00:25:18.000 And I think the biggest.
00:25:20.000 Difference in opinion with, and this pertains to almost all fields between the right and the left.
00:25:26.000 Specifically, an economic analogy is useful between, say, Keynesians and Austrians.
00:25:32.000 Maybe not relevant, but it's more short term solutions.
00:25:36.000 And I think that that is important.
00:25:38.000 I think that just dawns on me that while conservatives call for longer term solutions that do fix the problem and are more organic and they are more of a labor, I think people are and act in such a way that we can't have those long term solutions.
00:25:54.000 At least we need short term solutions in the meantime because we're a restless people.
00:25:58.000 You have things like the French Revolution or the Russian Revolution or a pending American Revolution when things don't move fast enough.
00:26:07.000 So, I think there is room for doubt that it is solely long term.
00:26:12.000 So, I think that is a helpful common ground for the American people.
00:26:17.000 Now, the last question. 1.00
00:26:20.000 The last question is this When will feminism win if it hasn't already?
00:26:27.000 And I know we talked about endgame, but is there some level, is it a general acceptance that certain things are wrong or almost 99% where certain sexual assaults or whatever doesn't happen? 0.99
00:26:39.000 Is the endgame.
00:26:41.000 A collective recognition of women's equality or your ideal vision of equality, or is it the absence of sexism?
00:26:50.000 I think win is a weird word that you chose because it makes it sound like it's.
00:26:53.000 Well, I'm an American.
00:26:58.000 I don't think that there is winning or losing in a movement like feminism or really any social movement.
00:27:04.000 I don't think it works like that because it's not a war, it's not a battle, it's a movement, and it's about continually pushing forward.
00:27:11.000 So the idea of it winning, I think, is looking at it the wrong way.
00:27:15.000 I mean, we talked about Endgame, and I said that I don't think there's ever going to be a day where we're like, feminism is no longer needed.
00:27:21.000 I think that we are always going to need it, and I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily.
00:27:27.000 I don't think that winning is possible because I don't think that this is a battle or a thing that you can win.
00:27:32.000 I think it's a movement and it's an ideal that we need to keep in our heads.
00:27:36.000 That's very insightful.
00:27:39.000 Haley?
00:27:40.000 Hallie.
00:27:41.000 I would agree with basically everything Ann said.
00:27:44.000 I don't think that it is.
00:27:46.000 A war.
00:27:48.000 However, I do believe that it will, like, I mean, we've been witnessing what we believe as inequality since this country began.
00:27:59.000 And I don't know, I mean, of course, there's been tremendous grounds that have been gained.
00:28:04.000 But I don't think that it will, like, in just as we said, like every single social issue, there's always going to be something more that we can do.
00:28:11.000 So I don't think it will ever be won, if you want to call it that. 0.90
00:28:16.000 Like, if you look at gay marriage, I mean, The legislation was passed, or the Supreme Court ruling came down, but there's still half the country that isn't for it.
00:28:26.000 And it's like, so can they call that a victory on paper?
00:28:29.000 Yes, they can, but socially they're still facing their problems and whatever.
00:28:36.000 So I would say that, yeah, I don't think it ever will be won.
00:28:41.000 I do agree.
00:28:43.000 I do agree because, and this is a closing thought, America was founded.
00:28:49.000 With civic institutions, with a moral people.
00:28:52.000 The idea that government was limited and could be limited because its people were moral and took care of each other with their own voluntary organizations, like the church, like feminists, the suffragettes, you name it, civic institutions, not government institutions.
00:29:07.000 And I think that's what we need more of in this country: a discourse like this between good, honest Americans looking for real solutions and not grandstanding by corrupt politicians.
00:29:19.000 And I thank you for coming on my show and finding some common ground and expressing your thoughts.
00:29:24.000 That's our show.
00:29:26.000 I want to thank my guests, Hallie and Ann.
00:29:28.000 You've been great.
00:29:31.000 Join us next week.
00:29:32.000 We will be talking about American foreign policy in the Middle East and the Syrian Civil War.
00:29:36.000 And check us out every Monday here on LTTV and the LTTV2 channel on YouTube.
00:29:42.000 I'm Nicholas J. Fuentes.
00:29:43.000 Thanks for watching and see you next week.