00:04:37.000You know, uh, So, to tell the truth, I've actually never talked to a real girl in real life before.
00:04:46.000I'm a 20 year old virgin, and I'm trying to change that, and hopefully my fans can help me.
00:04:52.000But, you know, if they're not a teacher, a family member, or a cashier, you know, I've never really talked to a real girl before, if I think about it.
00:05:36.000Yeah, so I was going to this private Christian school, you know, and went on Fox News in character as my new Saturday Night Live character, Antifa Cumbie.
00:05:49.000And, you know, it was just a prank, but things kind of got blown out of proportion.
00:05:56.000You know, one day you go on Fox News pretending to be an Antifa member, and the next day you got the feds busting down your door with a battering ram, hog tying me to an unmarked van, driving me away to God knows where.
00:11:33.000Just don't do any streaming at seven o'clock.
00:11:35.000I know a lot of people have gotten this idea.
00:11:39.000JF, Andy Worski, we're going to stream during America first time.
00:11:43.000So, hey, as long as you, you know, tampons, whatever.
00:11:47.000But as long as you stay out of my turf, as long as you stay out of my zone, my dojo, which is 7 o'clock every night, Monday through Friday, I think we can coexist together.
00:13:04.000There was a dissonance about that because usually you look at a Sam Hyde, you look at these other characters, and it's a little bit sloppy.
00:13:11.000But I will say, I do appreciate the physique.
00:14:17.000And, you know, you just compare my physique to Sam Hyde's.
00:14:23.000Like, how can anybody take that guy seriously?
00:14:26.000You know, I'd love to go toe to toe with him in the octagon, eight rounds, whenever he wants to.
00:14:34.000Well, the difference is he never wanted to show up on America First.
00:14:38.000I reached out to him, I sent him an email.
00:14:40.000So, hey, In my eyes, I think BJ Cumbie is better than Sam Hyde, you know, because unlike, you know, Sam was afraid to come on America First, terrified.
00:14:50.000That's probably why he didn't respond.
00:14:51.000But the good old country boy, say what you will, Protestant, you know, if you're Aryan, Nordcuck, whatever it is, but you came on the show.
00:15:17.000I was just gonna try to be like Jeff Ross.
00:15:20.000You know I only roast the ones I love, but he wasn't having any of it.
00:15:24.000The thing about Sam is I think he was afraid to come on America.
00:15:29.000Sorry, I think he was afraid to come on America first because, excuse me, because you know like he probably has trouble coming up with stuff off the dome.
00:18:16.000You know, I got to respect him for saying that he hates me straight up.
00:18:19.000You know, most people are going to be way too cowardly to stand up to me, mainly because my ripped physique and just my intimidating demeanor.
00:18:30.000But he came right out and he just said it straight up.
00:19:46.000I mean, you know, I'm more like a monk, basically.
00:19:52.000You know, I choose not to have sex because you really get a new perspective on life by not doing that, you know, by, you know, self disciplining yourself, taking control of your own desires.
00:20:08.000And I mean, I don't want to hurt the woman also because I do have a huge long.
00:22:44.000I didn't think it was that bad, really.
00:22:46.000I like the whole side plot about going to the casino and everything.
00:22:51.000I know they're all about addressing a lot of social justice in these new Star Wars movies, but gambling addiction is usually one that's so overlooked and it affects so many people's lives.
00:23:03.000So I'm glad they actually had the wherewithal to include a subplot.
00:23:08.000About the ills of gambling addiction on our modern society.
00:23:12.000I know so many guys who've wasted their entire life savings in front of slot machines.
00:23:18.000All those card games and everything, too, man.
00:33:13.000I'm going to get a dog to kill all the white people who come to my house.
00:33:17.000I was talking with some South Africaners, and they were talking about how their dogs, whenever white people walk around, how their dogs are just extremely anti white and how they will just bark and rave and get really, really angry whenever these white people walk out in front of their house.
00:33:37.000I wonder if those dogs over there, I wonder if they've been trained in certain ways.
00:34:14.000See, you know, I like the South, but I like to come home to Yankee Dumb.
00:34:19.000I go down to the South, and people are nicer there, and the land is better in terms of the Midwest, very flat.
00:34:28.000You drive for miles, and it's all flat.
00:34:30.000In the South, you have hills, and there's better geography, and the people are nice, but I always like to come back home because you get a little bit too, I don't know.
00:36:22.000But today, a lot of my friends are back from college, they're back home.
00:36:26.000And I was hanging out with my buddies, and one of my friends, who's like a total shit lib and just low IQ, gets all up in my face yelling at me because I'm like talking about certain historical events and revisionist theories and, you know, whatever.
00:42:23.000I mean, you've seen this with every, just about every major, like, right wing conservative movement is that eventually to get a mass following or to get corporate sponsorship or influence, there has to be sort of the corporatization or the industrialization of the effort, which, of course, is going to take out.
00:42:49.000So, for example, we have people like Sam Hyde.
00:42:52.000We have these very insular memes, very inaccessible memes that we have, where it's like it changes every other day, every other hour sometimes.
00:43:00.000It seems like new memes come in or out of fashion, and nobody knows why.
00:43:04.000In order to create a mass movement, it has to be very repetitive, it has to be very clean and understandable, appeal to the lowest common denominator, and you have to make it a product that is consistent.
00:43:18.000And so, this is what happened to Miley Yiannopoulos.
00:43:22.000This is what happened to Breitbart and all these people.
00:43:25.000I think the only person that hasn't really changed so much is Trump.
00:43:28.000Even though he's really been able to walk the line very well because, like, his fans, there's like a broad array of people in terms of the most insufferable, like, normie boomers who are still talking about Kefefe.
00:43:42.000And then you have people that are very esoteric and who really get it.
00:43:46.000And I think he's able to walk the line so well because I think he, like, plays the game, but he does it in a way that's almost, like, ironic, in a way that kind of breaks the fourth wall.
00:43:58.000Like, even in his speeches, like, For people that are smart, it's like, well, this is all obligatory, and we both understand this on a weird level.
00:44:05.000So I don't know if it's necessary, but it's, I mean, that is part of the trade off, I would say.
00:44:15.000I mean, I try to stay as fresh as possible.
00:44:19.000I don't think there would ever be a point where I'd make the decision, like, I'm going to sell out for more money or I'm going to stop saying this because, you know, I mean, like my whole life I've.
00:44:34.000You know, all the weird stuff that might have to be, you know, cut out.
00:44:39.000But speaking of Catholic boys, my second question obviously, don't dox yourself, but I live approximately around you, like an hour and a half by you, and I cannot find like a legit, like go all the way down to Chicago to actually go to a lab.
00:44:56.000Do you like, is there like a website I can go to to find it?
00:44:59.000Like the only one by me is like a bummy, like weird Citavec, Kansas, or some random stuff like that.
00:45:06.000Like, like, You go to Latin Mass, right?
00:45:55.000Anyway, last question kind of is I know you, just kind of to clarify your stance on free markets.
00:46:05.000I know you're, you kind of like, From what I gathered, you kind of take the current economic system and kind of classify that a little bit as capitalism and bash it a little bit.
00:46:19.000I just want you to clarify your position on what you actually believe on the free markets and true capitalism or something like that.
00:46:28.000I was a libertarian for a long time, so I'm very familiar with all the arguments.
00:46:33.000What really brought me into politics was reading Free to Choose by Milton Friedman, and that was the first political book I ever read.
00:46:39.000The first thing that really turned me on to conservatism was a talk between Tom Sowell and Peter Robinson, I think is his name, on uncommon knowledge for the Hoover Institute.
00:46:51.000So believe me, I know all the terminology and all the rest, but I look at the system, and I define capitalism as having markets, having capital that is privately owned as opposed to directed by the state.
00:47:05.000And so I see the present system as capitalist.
00:47:08.000And I know, you know, a lot of libertarians will say, well, it's not real capitalism.
00:47:11.000And to that, I, you know, that's the same argument that.
00:47:14.000I don't think this abstraction of like very low GDP to government spending ratio and laissez faire, low trade barriers with the outside world and with the inside, the domestically, I just don't think that's totally possible.
00:47:32.000And even if it is, you know, I don't think it's necessarily the best thing.
00:47:36.000I think you've seen capitalism is very efficient.
00:47:39.000It's the number one economic system to efficiently organize scarce resources, but efficient in the short term.
00:47:45.000And so Ian Fletcher writes a lot about this in.
00:47:50.000About how capitalism has a time horizon that is much shorter in terms of it can organize resources efficiently for now, for people to consume as much as they want right now at the expense of they essentially mortgage off long term wealth creation and investment in the future.
00:48:07.000So he talks about, for example, trade, free trade, where, you know, in terms of trade barriers are probably an impediment to consumption now on this time horizon.
00:48:17.000But if you're talking about in the long term, we're trading off.
00:48:20.000Assets, debt, securities, currency, things that are going to be much more influential like 50 years down the road when we have a trade deficit with a country like China.
00:48:29.000And so my position has always been use markets to organize resources, but efficiency is not the end all be all.
00:48:36.000We want to encourage wealth to be distributed among families and so people have skin in the game and we want to keep capital in the country.
00:48:51.000I'm a big believer in private property.
00:48:54.000So, could most of your complaints about the current system, I'm not going to say it's not a capitalist system.
00:48:58.000I really don't care what you label it.
00:49:00.000Would you say most of your complaints about the current system be like the government interference or them subsidizing certain things or them pushing certain behaviors or them allowing certain behaviors and just not allowing other behaviors or free exchanges and stuff?
00:49:28.000Because you look at the incentive structure, not even on an economic level, but on a sociological level.
00:49:35.000And the incentive structure for people in power, for, as Yusuf called it, the capitalist class, which I like that phrase, that turn of phrase, but for wealthy people, for people in politics, the incentive is to have big multinational corporations, to outsource jobs overseas, to have manufacturing overseas, to bring in cheap labor into this country.
00:49:57.000And so I think when you look at those incentives, they have to be curtailed somehow.
00:50:02.000I think that's kind of just the nature of the system.
00:50:04.000That if profit is the number one guiding principle for these kinds of people, it's going to do a lot of damage to people in the country.
00:50:11.000I don't really care how efficient the economy is if the country is 40% white and we don't have any manufacturing and all the rest.
00:50:25.000And I think some of the mistakes conservatives have done in the past is putting an overemphasis on the free market is our only principle we stand for.
00:50:36.000And even though I like the free market and I like free trade too, I definitely dislike mass immigration and some of the crony capitalism that has been going on.
00:50:46.000So I could definitely agree with you on that.
00:52:41.000Also, why do Zionists promote diversity of people who don't like them as much?
00:52:45.000Don't they want to keep strong allies to protect Israel?
00:52:48.000Well, in the first place, I think people like Hillary Clinton are motivated by money and by power.
00:52:55.000And so I think it's also a demonic influence as well.
00:52:59.000I can't help but think these people are possessed by demons.
00:53:02.000And so what they want is probably something that is not like a vision for the world so much as it is they want personal aggrandizement at any cost.
00:53:14.000So I don't see Hillary Clinton as like a high level evil person in terms of like she has bad designs for the planet.
00:53:48.000I think they want to create one race, one world government, one currency, and they want all these people on the bottom, low IQ.
00:53:58.000No identity, no race, no culture, no religion, no gender.
00:54:02.000They want them to be these like androgynous, casual sex having, like literally just sex bots, people that are just focused on working and then on this carnal pleasure.
00:54:43.000And even anybody could look at the trends, that's what they're heading towards.
00:54:46.000They're destroying the middle class right now, they're destroying the global middle class.
00:54:51.000They've collapsed the entire economy in the world, or not collapsed it, but they've built all of it on top of very unsustainable debt, and everyone's in debt.
00:54:59.000And so I think that's the grand design.
00:55:02.000And then in terms of the Zionists, I don't think the Zionists do promote diversity.
00:55:07.000I think it's not so much Zionists as it is people in media, which is different sides of the same coin in many ways.
00:55:14.000The Zionists, I don't think, are too keen on diversity.
00:55:17.000I think they'll ship their refugees over here because they don't want them into Israel.
00:55:20.000They know we're stupid enough to take them, and we'll probably beg for the refugees.
00:55:25.000The countries that they came from are like, yeah, we're not taking these people, but we'll, you know, the European countries are dumb enough to take them back, or at least their governments are corrupt enough to take them over there.
00:55:35.000And so I don't think it's a matter of they have an interest in.
00:55:38.000Multiculturalism and diversity being promoted so much as it is, they really just simply don't care about the other countries.
00:55:45.000And similarly enough, I think the Zionists must understand that if a country does not have a strong and robust people that has a common interest in the national interest or a common whatever, you know, if the country is less representative of the people, it's so much easier to subvert.
00:56:06.000You know, it's much easier to get a Paul Wolfowitz in the Defense Department if the country is Ameriquois.
00:56:13.000And basically, the people that are the president are selected by a small group of donors and financiers and politicos.
00:56:20.000It's much easier to dominate a country like that than it is a country that has a strong national pride.
00:58:38.000Okay, I wanted to ask you as being a half Asian and half Jewish, I would like to say to you, how exactly would.
00:58:50.000The movement that you want to push out helps me and benefits me.
00:58:57.000Well, you know, the movement that I promote is one that wants to rebuild Western civilization from the ground up.
00:59:04.000And I think people that are minorities, such as yourself, benefit from when Western civilization is thriving and prosperous.
00:59:12.000And the way to do that is to mitigate the heterogeneity of the country.
00:59:17.000I mean, that's simply the only way about it.
00:59:19.000And so you can look at many societies across the world, and they can have small minority populations in them, and they do well when they are.
00:59:27.000Minorities and it doesn't become the boarding house, the multi, what did Roosevelt call it?
00:59:33.000The polyglot boarding house of the world.
00:59:36.000And so I think that what I seek to promote is a country that is, that works, that's functional.
00:59:42.000And the only way to do that is to maintain some kind of majority.
00:59:45.000So I guess to say, it's to say this essentially there has to be some kind of single culture, single group.
00:59:53.000There has to be an identity for the country.
00:59:54.000And people like yourself and others can be in it, they could be part of the movement.
00:59:58.000Have to understand it's in all of our interest to have a country that makes sense like that, that's coherent.
01:00:17.000But there just has to be a recognition there's a big difference between having people who don't look like this in the country and having a country that has no identity, having a country where it doesn't even have, it doesn't mean anything to be an American or to practice.
01:00:32.000Our manners and customs and all the rest, so that's always basically been my position.
01:03:21.000And what would have happened if only women could have voted, or only Hispanics could have voted, or only blacks could have voted?
01:03:29.000And then tell them does it make sense to keep bringing in people that are going to continue voting this way, or does it make sense to appeal to the people that share the same values and interests?
01:03:38.000And I think that's a great gateway because it appeals to people where they are.
01:03:42.000If you believe in these things, well, the logical conclusion then is for you to support this certain kind of position.
01:03:48.000It's just got to be gradual, and it's also got to be inquisitive.
01:03:52.000It's half the content, but it's also all in the approach.
01:03:56.000The biggest mistake I see people do is they come at people very hard with this autistic, you know, information dump.
01:05:03.000Well, and that's the grand irony Charlie Kirk boosts up and promotes people where they have their Hispanic leadership summit, their black leadership summit.
01:05:12.000It's like, so identity politics is bad, but yet, so I hear you, man.
01:05:18.000But it's pointing out those contradictions.
01:05:20.000And also, you know, sometimes the most visceral stuff is just to show them, like, you follow Voice of Europe on Twitter.
01:05:39.000If you give people a little glimpse into the crystal ball of what awaits us in a world where we don't care so much about identity, you look at what happens in Europe where they just attack people out of nowhere.
01:05:49.000There's rape attacks, knife attacks, and we know who's responsible.
01:05:52.000Then, you know, that's something that's, you know, logic and arguments is great and all, but most people will really be moved by that kind of visual and visceral kind of content.
01:06:05.000Yeah, well, you know, look at it this way.
01:06:27.000Yeah, well, you know, and the good thing is there's a lot of white pills about this where people are very depressed and all, but things are turning in our favor.
01:06:35.000The fertility rate for people is dropping all across the board and for some more than others.
01:06:42.000Like the trends that we're seeing are really plateauing.
01:06:44.000I think people are starting to see that the situation is a lot more dynamic than static in terms of people have said, look at these projections, it's all over.
01:06:56.000And, you know, as long as you're pragmatic, as long as you're practical, like we can achieve our goals.
01:07:02.000If we believe, if we, because this is a cause that matters to us.
01:07:06.000And so if we really care and if we have the will to do it and we're practical and we're smart and we're not going to turn our noses up at things that maybe we don't like so much, as long as that's our mentality, I guarantee you it is an absolute possibility.
01:07:22.000It is a strong possibility that we come out stronger than when we started in terms of America.
01:07:28.000But people want to sit around and say, is it even possible?
01:08:26.000We believe everybody has infinite dignity.
01:08:29.000That's why it really does hurt me when people say we're hateful.
01:08:32.000It does on some level because it's so the opposite.
01:08:36.000I mean, the people that are in power hate you.
01:08:39.000Like, if you're a neoliberal and you're saying this, oh, like one love kind of stuff, you're regurgitating propaganda by very Machiavellian, cynical people that don't like you, that are using you to achieve their political objective, which is to destroy the world.
01:09:11.000But I mean, really, for a lot of these people Hillary Clinton, the Soros of the world, the Bibi Netanyahu of the world, all these people, they hate you.
01:11:34.000And, you know, the big trick with this school shooting is obviously a terrible tragedy that this, you know, you read the story and it's horrible.
01:11:44.000And that's what makes it so unfortunate that the left is going to use it as.
01:11:47.000A political tool because you think about kids going to high school and they're having to run for their lives, terrible.
01:11:52.000But nevertheless, this is a problem where the father had legally owned firearms, shotgun, and revolver.
01:12:30.000What's the regulation that's going to say, well, people whose kids wear a shirt that says natural born killer and wear trench coats aren't going to be able to own a firearm?
01:12:38.000Or they have to, you know, I mean, so that's where the gun control argument falls apart, and you have to embrace two solutions, which is what happens when the gun is in the school?
01:14:48.000We are a collection of atomized individuals.
01:14:52.000And, you know, that's a common talking point.
01:14:55.000That's a common phrase that we hear a lot.
01:14:57.000But, I mean, really, man is a social animal.
01:15:00.000To be in this space where, and additionally, without God, you know, you think about that.
01:15:05.000We have no relationship to anybody, no genuine, authentic relationships with any friends, with any, even with many people with a spouse or that kind of relationship, with neighbors, with community, with men if you're a male or women if you're a woman, you know, those kinds of fraternal or sorority institutions, that kind of thing, you know.
01:15:25.000And then on top of that, you're unmoored from God.
01:15:27.000So you're just kind of alone in the ether.
01:16:16.000Whoops, accidentally headed into the call in lobby.
01:16:19.000Yeah, but no, great call and very true.
01:16:22.000If you're out there, if you're having trouble, reach out to somebody.
01:16:25.000Reach out, you know, maybe not reach out to me.
01:16:27.000You can reach out to me, but it's like if I say that, a lot of people are going to do it.
01:16:32.000And I'll answer you, you know, I will, but it's like reach out to your family.
01:16:35.000If you're in trouble, if you're having a hard time, call your parents, call a friend, a brother, a sister, you know, whatever.
01:16:43.000And if none of that's there, call your favorite.
01:16:45.000Television host, your favorite YouTube host, you know, but really, it's we're all going to make it.
01:16:52.000If that's the mindset, we're all going to make it.
01:16:55.000The people that survive this great sorting period, I think that's a pretty cynical way to look at it, but the people that survive this great sorting out, and to borrow a phrase, I guess, from Jordan Peterson, we will make a stronger country.
01:17:10.000The people who can survive in this world and create something and weather a very fake and phony and fraudulent world, we will inherit the world, right?
01:17:20.000So that's, I think, the big white pill is all these people who are adrift, no God, no family, no racial consciousness, no cultural community consciousness, all these people not going to have kids tragically.
01:17:34.000I mean, it's a very sad thing, but I guess the one hope is, you know, they say about Poland, one of the big reasons why they have such a strong religious community in Poland is because to survive 80 years of communist rule, or not 80 years, what was that, 50 years of communist rule, where If you were not allowed to be a Catholic, you had to be a very strong, faithful, religious kind of a person.
01:17:59.000And so the Catholic Church that emerged after the collapse of the Soviet government in Poland was one that was much more refined, that had been tested.
01:18:07.000And I think we'll see something similar in America.
01:19:39.000James is right about identity politics in terms of it's real, identity is real.
01:19:45.000And then this I've talked about it a lot on this show.
01:19:47.000We're in a world historical turning point, like an inflection point in terms of world history where identity is becoming very relevant, where how salient different identities are has become a very important issue.
01:20:01.000Ordering principle for nations and for the entire world.
01:20:04.000So I think identity politics is crucial.
01:20:32.000Identity politics leads to totalitarianism.
01:20:36.000His whole premise is based on this idea that this anxiety that if the collective organizes around white identity or around this identity or that identity, that the individual would be crushed under the boot of the collective.
01:20:50.000Because, of course, this is very Randian.
01:20:52.000Ayn Rand said the smallest minority in the world is the individual.
01:20:56.000So he's saying, well, if we organize around white identity or black identity, if we saw ourselves as groups, well, then the individual would be crushed.
01:21:05.000And all the unique expressions of the individual would not be able to thrive.
01:21:22.000We've had the ascendance of the individual, and it has come at the expense of the individual.
01:21:28.000You know, in the rise of me, me, me, what I want, when I want it, and I'm going to do my own thing, people don't know how to get along in terms of getting along with their own lives.
01:21:40.000What kind of identity, meaningful, fulfilling, existential, can an individual find in the absence of the collective?
01:22:13.000It's a nation state with certain principles collectivized around this, is he not?
01:22:18.000But see, the difference is, he says, the difference is that when a state protects individual rights, a state has the consent of the governed because it is formed by a social contract.
01:22:30.000And so, a state, a Lockean state that is formed through a contract where everybody is a signatory, no matter their race, religion, and whatever, well, that government is legitimate.
01:22:41.000And therefore, they can collectivize to protect the individual's rights.
01:22:47.000But of course, You cannot form a nation state without a nation.
01:22:53.000He thinks that it was an arbitrary thing that the nation states that formed in the 1500s organized around a common ethnic ancestry and a common culture and a common mannerisms and customs and all that.
01:23:15.000So I guess he is for some collectivization, but to promote the individual.
01:23:20.000When you get into these abstractions, it tends to be problematic for these people.
01:23:24.000My thing is, I don't even, I still don't know what political philosophy he believes in or what he learned in his, because he learned to read about a year ago, apparently.
01:23:33.000He started doing live streams talking about how much he knows from these books he found, apparently, which is cool, should read.
01:23:38.000But my thing is, I'm never seeing any fruits of this labor.
01:23:41.000I've never seen any, oh, hi, here's what I learned.
01:23:44.000It's always kind of like, no, I'm well read and the alt right isn't, and I'm not going to explain it to them.
01:24:07.000And it's like, well, please, liberalist, enlighten us on how Locke has explained away the premise that people who look like one another want to be with people who look like them.
01:24:32.000They read a couple of books, or maybe they even don't, but they use that essentially as cover for the fact that they can't argue it themselves.
01:24:41.000Are you confirming that Sargon has not read Locke right here live?
01:24:46.000I don't know if he has or he hasn't, but either way, we have no proof.
01:24:49.000We have no proof that he has because I've never, like you said.
01:24:52.000If I was Sargon and I hated the alt right and I thought these political philosophers gave me a silver bullet to destroy them, I'd be so much shit about what I learned.