00:17:23.000Yeah, that's what a lot of people say about the show on the one hand, it is funny to watch me sort of endure with all these different people, but at the same time, it is.
00:17:33.000It's not exactly a fun viewing experience, but, you know, I'm hoping for the best.
00:18:02.000PewDiePie, you know, based in Red Pill, he mentioned in one of his last book reviews that he thinks people, like, nonfiction is obviously a popular genre for the male audience, but he thinks that a lot of people could probably benefit from good fiction.
00:18:19.000Good men could benefit from good fiction, but.
00:18:23.000So, it's just been something maybe you were a suggestion.
00:18:27.000I don't really have any books in mind specifically, but.
00:18:54.000I feel like I get sort of this, I get mischaracterized a little bit by the opposition, obviously, by the so called black pillars, the Wignats.
00:19:05.000They mischaracterize my position as I believe that Donald Trump and the Republican Party are going to save the day and they're going to fix everything.
00:19:16.000Even before the election, way before the election, before I even started supporting Donald Trump, I said that whoever gets in isn't even going to come close to fixing things.
00:19:27.000That's actually how I. Got on board with Donald Trump.
00:19:30.000If you go back to the stuff I was doing in high school on YouTube, what I said was that the reason I switched over to supporting Trump is because I believe that he would act basically as a chaos agent and mix everything up so much, delegitimize the media, so that then a real person, a real reactionary, could really come in and do what needed to be done.
00:19:53.000And you could go back to Nicholas Jaffe went to show, I think, episode six or seven.
00:19:57.000This is from 2016, like March, I think.
00:20:03.000So I'm not optimistic, but my attitude has always been that no matter what happens, we're going to play the game.
00:20:11.000You know, there are people who say that, well, if we just pass this point, or, you know, once whites become a minority, or once Texas goes blue, or whatever, well, at that point, then it's game over.
00:20:24.000And I've never really been about that.
00:20:25.000You know, I've always believed in our people, I've believed in the human spirit.
00:20:30.000And look, you also just have to think of things in terms of numbers.
00:20:35.000If by 2050 we're on track to bring in so many immigrants and demographic change already has this momentum, let's say we're between 40 and 50% of the population as white people.
00:20:48.000This is still a salvageable situation.
00:20:51.000For people that say that, oh, we really got to throw in the towel now because it's all over, you have to think that if by 2050, halfway through the end of this century, we're still 40 to 50% of the population, I think we can work with that.
00:21:10.000Obviously, we believe that the more mixed, the more diverse, and heterogeneous a society is, the less functional it is, and the more difficult it will be to maintain the quality of life that we have.
00:21:23.000But you still have a lot to work with there.
00:21:27.000And so, my approach has always been and this is really a totally conservative ideology, which is just always be thinking in terms of the long term.
00:21:37.000If you make small investments now, it pays off big in the long term.
00:21:42.000You know, and this applies to everything, but it also applies to politics.
00:21:46.000Instead of getting so called black pilled and, oh, I'm going to go, you know, whatever, it's very simple.
00:21:53.000Just start chipping away at it now, whether that be saving money, starting a family, getting involved, working in politics.
00:22:00.000And then if everybody does that, by the time 2050 rolls around, we've got so much more to work with in terms of the infrastructure, the networking.
00:22:10.000So I'm not optimistic, but I just believe that.
00:22:13.000If people do the right thing, if people are smart now, well, later on we'll have a better chance at fixing things than we do now.
00:22:26.000You mentioned diversity causing an unstable society, and it occurred to me that a lot of kind of the start of this whole breakdown of America was the breakdown of an ideological, maybe not ideological, but a breakdown of a unified mindset.
00:22:43.000For America, where it started to break down ideologically, even though we had majority whites in power for the longest time, people started breaking off and doing their own way of thinking about things, and that kind of divided the population to begin with.
00:22:58.000And now we've got a broken up race in addition to a broken up country.
00:23:05.000I think it is fair to say, though, that white identity really has never existed.
00:23:12.000I don't mean to say that to delegitimize the.
00:23:15.000You know, the concept of whiteness or European heritage or anything like that.
00:23:19.000But, you know, and this is the last thing I'll say, we'll have to move on to another caller.
00:23:22.000But with, and this is something I was thinking about actually today, we're going to have to sort of facilitate white identity politics because naturally we will be defined against so called people of color, you know, blacks, Hispanics, Asians.
00:23:40.000But this project is something that's totally new.
00:23:42.000You know, I think a lot of people falsely believe that we're sort of reconstituting.
00:23:57.000But there has never really been this European consciousness.
00:24:01.000You could go back to Bismarck, who said, I think, I forget what year it was, but he said something to the effect that Europe is a geographical phenomenon.
00:24:14.000And so you look at European history, you look at the history of The different ethnicities in America.
00:24:21.000Now, I'm not saying that whiteness doesn't exist, but the political concept of white identity, the white nation, you know, that's something that is totally new.
00:24:29.000And I think that's sort of a new frontier here.
00:24:31.000So, yeah, even in Germany, it wasn't like white people, it was the Aryans and the Germans.
00:24:38.000Even in places like Japan, where it's all like Japanese people, extremely xenophobic and unified, they still have the different tribal divisions that are, to a degree, still existed.
00:25:11.000I brought somebody in with Dixie in the name, and I thought it was going to be somebody who was upset about what I've had to say about the Confederacy lately, but that was a pretty pleasant call.
00:26:52.000I mean, I know the fake one with the little block of cheese, but I thought you were legitimately going to have Mr. Burger on the show at one point.
00:30:33.000And I guess what I was hoping to talk about on this show was just in general, what's your entire opinion about the school system and stuff, you know?
00:30:42.000I don't think I've ever really heard your ideas and stuff about that, if you have any.
00:30:49.000Yeah, you know, this is a subject which I'm not an expert in, obviously.
00:30:53.000You know, healthcare, education, I look at those two, and those are difficult for me because they're very highly complex systems.
00:31:00.000And I don't think if you don't have expertise, it's sort of hard to navigate.
00:31:04.000But my view on education has always been that you need more localization in the sense that I recognize it's becoming increasingly difficult because you have communities that are.
00:31:19.000You tend to see this in a lot of non white communities or otherwise ethnically or racially diverse communities, a lot less involvement from the community.
00:31:27.000So I think that maybe that should be maintained maybe in white areas and rural areas.
00:31:33.000You know, this is something that was talked about, I think, for many years in conservative circles this sort of devolution back to the states, back to localities, getting back control of the curriculum in schools, getting back in control of the schools themselves in some cases.
00:31:49.000But On another level, I do think that, you know, to an extent we have to accept the degree of federalization, that central government's going to handle this.
00:32:02.000That's what happens in a country where you don't have people that are involved in taking responsibility.
00:32:07.000So if that's the case, then I would say that we have to restructure education based on the job market.
00:32:13.000You know, I think people, you know, don't really realize the fact that, or maybe people realize it, but the system is not really built so that people are.
00:32:23.000Being prepared and trained to be successful in the job market that exists now.
00:32:28.000You know, because you look at the education systems that do work in Northern Europe, for example, and they're based upon, you know, are you going to be in higher education or are you going to be in a trade?
00:32:39.000Are you going to be in a lower skilled profession?
00:32:44.000So I think we've got to restructure maybe high school and college based on that.
00:32:49.000I would certainly say that we would have to make big reforms to school.
00:32:53.000I don't know if that's loan forgiveness totally, but there has to be something in the law that says that, you know, that they can't be charging these ludicrous amounts for tuition.
00:33:04.000Community college is becoming basically necessary.
00:33:07.000So I think having that be universal to some extent might be appropriate.
00:33:13.000But I think the whole thing has to be basically switched around and restructured because it's just a mess.
00:33:20.000You know, we have people that they're not even qualified for most jobs until they're 22 and they're $30,000 in debt.
00:33:28.000Yeah, I keep on looking at the generations after me and stuff, people that are older than me, and I keep on getting worried about what on earth am I going to do after high school?
00:33:39.000I keep on getting worried about the future and such because what am I supposed to do right now?
00:33:46.000I'm just having to wait through the system and then wait until I get disappointed.
00:33:52.000Yeah, and that's the problem, I think.
00:33:55.000In high school, this is one of the biggest problems I observed, is that nobody is planning for.
00:34:03.000You know, you look at the numbers and it's scandalous the amount of people with degrees who end up unemployed or underemployed based on their qualifications.
00:34:12.000And that just goes to show how messed up the whole situation is.
00:34:18.000But, you know, it's funny, all the people who talk about universal education, they've got it all wrong.
00:34:24.000Because the minute that you make college free, the minute you make four year college free and everybody goes there, it becomes as worthless as a high school diploma.
00:34:47.000So from what I keep on seeing, I love the issue, at least with the school that I'm in, like they keep on refocusing it, and that they do try and provide classes for actual jobs and stuff.
00:34:58.000Like, you know, they're actually trying to focus on teaching coding, they're actually trying to focus on teaching engineering things that.
00:35:05.000Earn a lot of money, you know, medical science, cybersecurity, like a bunch of different fields and stuff.
00:35:40.000Because, I mean, you're right, that's at the heart of the matter.
00:35:43.000You could change the system all you want.
00:35:45.000The problem at the end of the day is the people who, generally speaking, are not very motivated, are not really looking to add value to the economy, and it's going to collapse.
00:35:58.000You know, I think you look at that, what's that old meme, you know, weak people create bad times?
00:36:05.000We're right on the cusp of that happening the bad people causing the bad times.
00:36:11.000So, I think as much as we could focus on institutions and things like that, I mean, I think you're hitting the nail on the head there, the real problem, which is the lethargy of the population.
00:36:21.000And it's hard to imagine what policy could fix that.
00:38:30.000That it comes, let's just say it comes together pretty quickly when it comes together at 705, 707, you know, for being generous there.
00:38:42.000So, no, you know, here's the thing about praying I do pray, but I have to be honest, I wasn't raised, like, my family has always been religious, but we haven't, my family was never really in the practice of being totally on top of the praying or, you know, going through the motions on a lot of those things.
00:39:04.000So, although there was always a strong belief in God, it just really wasn't a habit when I was growing up.
00:39:09.000So, it's a little bit difficult now that I'm a little bit more religious.
00:39:13.000So, no, I don't really do a whole lot of the praying before the show.
00:39:45.000You look at electricians, plumbers, you know, all kinds of trade work.
00:39:53.000Excuse me, you can make really good money off of that.
00:39:55.000And, you know, the thing about work in the trades, and I'm not an expert, so people are always asking me about this stuff, and then some people are, oh, that's not true or whatever.
00:40:05.000As far as I know, it's very good work.
00:40:08.000And, um, The benefit of that kind of work is that there's a little bit more certainty because you go to college, you get a liberal arts degree.
00:40:19.000Let's say you come out of school and you get the average debt, which is $37,000.
00:40:24.000What happens if you don't get a job right away?
00:40:26.000And what happens if you don't get a start until you're 25 or 26 or something?
00:40:31.000So, the reason why the trades are so good is because there's obviously a very quick and certain path to go from going in school, getting your certification, whatever it is.
00:40:44.000To getting work and starting to make a living.
00:40:48.000Maybe then you get an advanced degree down the road, but at least at that point, you've got a little bit of a plan, you've got a way to make money, and you get a jump start in a way that a lot of other people don't.
00:40:59.000Because you'll find that there's a very high percentage of graduates, college graduates, who it'll take them more than four years to get a four year degree.
00:41:08.000And like I said, the average debt is $37,000.
00:41:11.000So you just look at the numbers in terms of probability.
00:41:15.000You know, graduating at what, 23, 24 years old, and you've got a negative net worth, and you don't know if you're going to have a job, and then you do, and what's the starting salary?
00:41:25.000And if you want to get your life started when you're 30, maybe that's a good path.
00:41:29.000But I think the trades are a very viable course for a lot of young people.
00:41:35.000So I think that's a good path for people.
00:41:39.000Now, you know, some people are really smart, and if you're really smart, it's still a good option, still probably a better option to go to school and get a four year degree.
00:41:48.000But for everybody else, you know, unless you really have an aptitude for something, you have a plan, you know, you're going to work hard to get it, the trades are a great path also.
00:43:20.000And, well, there were a number of topics that I wanted to talk about.
00:43:25.000Such as maybe Tucker's interview that wasn't aired with that Dutch guy.
00:43:30.000But I thought maybe more pertinent to the real world and actual policy and the future of the nation demographically is I'm not sure if Trump has ever done this before.
00:43:43.000But, and see, I wasn't sure if I was going to bring this up because on one hand, it's so obvious to me anyway that he would do this.
00:43:50.000And on the other hand, maybe it's so obvious that it's stupid.
00:43:53.000But what I would do if I were Trump is I would probably sit down with Democratic leadership, perhaps.
00:43:59.000You know, Pelosi and Schumer in the White House and call a press conference and just ask them directly, What do you want in exchange for the wall?
00:44:08.000Because I think that this would kind of force them, put them on the spot and force them to say something.
00:44:13.000You either force them to be open borders or you force them to make a ridiculous deal or propose a ridiculous deal.
00:44:21.000And I think that could really play into the president's hands politically.
00:44:24.000But I wanted to get your take on making such a brazen move like that.
00:44:29.000And the reason being is because the official position of Nancy.
00:44:32.000Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer is that they don't want to allocate money for a single mile of wall.
00:44:38.000Nancy Pelosi says she doesn't want $1 for a wall.
00:44:41.000And ultimately, that's what they got because if you look at the money that was allocated, even in the ultimate funding bill, the compromise bill, it gave $1.3 billion for bollard fencing.
00:44:54.000And only by a very generous and wide definition of what a wall is could you call that kind of a structure a wall.
00:45:03.000So, I think that a press conference like that ultimately would backfire because, you know, like I said, the official position is no wall.
00:45:10.000Now, if he were to say physical barrier, I think they would be able to say, yes, we'll provide physical barrier.
00:45:16.000But, you know, again, the Democrat rhetoric on this and the framing on this has been that, you know, anything more than a fencing, anything more than, you know, the strategic locations with 18 foot tall, 18 foot tall, see through bollard fencing is a so called vanity project.
00:45:40.000You know, like you described back in December before the shutdown, he had Pelosi and Schumer in a meeting, and it obviously didn't go very well.
00:45:48.000And actually, the president said, I'll actually take responsibility for the shutdown.
00:45:53.000I'll shut down the government over a wall.
00:45:55.000And I think within like 24 hours, he was backtracking and saying, Oh, this is a Pelosi shutdown.
00:46:11.000Verbally wrestle them into having a stated position of open borders because the Democrats, they're playing this sort of game where they want to deny, on one hand, that they're pro open borders, and on the other hand, they're promoting all these policies.
00:46:29.000So it's sort of a level of cognitive dissonance that I guess the public is able to tolerate and handle.
00:46:36.000But I feel like if he got them in a live sort of setting where he was able to pin them down rhetorically, And was able to basically force them to admit to being pro open boards.
00:47:14.000I think it would be possible for the president to do something like that.
00:47:19.000Maybe a live conference wouldn't be a place to do it.
00:47:21.000Maybe he should have used the bully pulpit, as you've said before, to much better effect than he actually did.
00:47:29.000But he's been saying there for open borders.
00:47:32.000He said that at the rally, he said that at the televised address.
00:47:36.000The problem is, he's lost the battle on the word game, on the rhetoric for the wall, because you have the House majority whip.
00:47:48.000He said that the Democrats are in favor of physical barriers.
00:47:52.000Even Beto O'Rourke, who's a total, I mean, he's like an unrepentant open border shill.
00:47:57.000He said that walls take lives and he says we should defund ICE.
00:48:02.000And even he was forced to say, well, we're in favor of physical barriers.
00:48:06.000And that's ultimately where the distinction lies.
00:48:08.000Because you have, if you look at any of the numbers, any of the polling on this, the majority of people say the border's a crisis and illegal immigrants are a problem and et cetera, et cetera.
00:48:18.000But It's only 40% that say that we need a wall.
00:48:21.000And I think that's really where we've sort of dropped it because Schumer and Pelosi are in favor of physical, so called physical barriers.
00:48:30.000And I think that's where it's very difficult to catch them on this because what we want is a 30 foot tall concrete structure.
00:48:38.000So, you know, a lot of those little tricks, technicalities, that's what makes it very difficult for him to nail them down.
00:48:44.000But he's been hitting them on open borders all the time.
00:48:47.000The problem is that when they control the media so thoroughly, It's very tough for us to get a grip on the narrative.
00:48:56.000See, that's why I wanted to do it live.
00:49:24.000It looks like I made an accidental low IQ take.
00:49:29.000Well, see, with Trump, when he was campaigning, and I know it's kind of weird for a Canadian to be saying this, but I think a lot of Canadians project themselves into an American mindset.
00:49:40.000People care more about American politics.
00:49:42.000Here than Canadian politics, because we're basically a colony of the United States, more or less.
00:49:47.000But that's totally tangential to what I kind of wanted to say.
00:49:51.000I just wanted to frame as why I care so much.
00:49:53.000But when Trump was campaigning, I was kind of imagining him with any sort of hiccup politically along the road to his agenda.
00:50:04.000I thought he was going to excoriate and castigate and lambaste his political opposition, just totally be a.
00:50:14.000A bull in the china shop, get in there and get on TV, call as many press conferences as he needed to, and call people out by a name and say, look, Senator X from state Y is doing this, this, and this, and this is terrible for the country.
00:50:29.000Throw in some of the nicknames, do all these sorts of things.
00:50:32.000I really thought he was going to rake them over the coals, especially now.
00:50:37.000I can understand at the beginning when he wants to play ball, especially with the different factions that are present in Congress, as well as lobbying organizations and things like that.
00:50:46.000But especially now, because as you've mentioned before, not getting the wall, like promising on the campaign trail, making it a central focus of the campaign, you know, we're going to build a wall.
00:51:15.000If he just kind of sits on his hands and And acts as he's acting and let Kushner ride roughshod over him, I think he's going to lose in 2020.
00:51:27.000I think what he should do is he should bring these people really to heel and just make them pay because, at worst, he's going to get voted out of office for this bombastic attitude.
00:51:52.000I mean, I agree with everything you just said.
00:51:54.000And that's, I think, been the biggest disappointment of the presidency so far, which is that to have a proper political revolution or realignment, you needed to be a perpetual campaign.
00:52:03.000And that's what he never understood, I think.
00:52:05.000Or if he did understand that, he lost steam.
00:52:09.000He ran out of energy because, again, to have all those effects of the big win in 2016 be institutionalized and solidified, you would need to have him on the front lines.
00:52:22.000Like you said, doing the press conferences, doing the rallies, hitting people every day.
00:52:27.000But somewhere along the way, I think he just got lazy.
00:52:30.000Honestly, he either got lazy or tired.
00:53:38.000And I said that during the shutdown, that if you don't produce the wall, if you don't produce on those big things, like it doesn't matter, right?
00:53:46.000I mean, it's obviously much worse for him to not produce than for him to, you know, upset people, ruffle feathers by going scorched earth at this point.
00:53:53.000But it's the person that I'm not the first to say that I'm going to leave right after this, I promise, because I've taken up so much of your time and it's beginning to be disrespectful to the other callers and to the audience.
00:54:01.000But I just want to wrap this up by saying I think that, and I'm not the first person to say this, but I think that his love.
00:54:07.000For his daughter, may, because people have been questioning, why isn't he stacking his cabinet with loyal ideologues, as alt hype said?
00:54:16.000And I think it's all based in his love for his daughter, and that kind of has translated over into sort of an unnecessary trust, maybe based out of nepotism or a sort of feeling of family necessity to Kushner.
00:54:28.000And I also do think there's something to be said about the New York real estate market, where he was in debt by something like crazy, like a billion dollars.
00:54:35.000And that's a pretty cutthroat environment, too.
00:54:38.000So for him to claw his way back from a negative.
00:54:41.000Of a billion dollars into being a billionaire again.
00:58:14.000The thing about the Oscars, which I find so funny, is that it's.
00:58:17.000It's actually very difficult to give out participation awards to black people because black people don't make good movies.
00:58:23.000You know, that's the thing, it's true.
00:58:25.000I mean, anybody who knows anything about movies knows this, but with the Grammys, it's so easy because black people do actually make very good music.
00:58:34.000At least I enjoy it, you know, so to give, well, it was kind of BS this year when they gave Record of the Year to Childish Cambino because This is America was a trash song.
00:58:47.000But with movies, you just have, I mean, what are you going to give it to, right?
00:58:51.000I mean, Like to me, the biggest red pill on race was when I was really into movies, when I was in like high school and a little bit in college.
00:58:59.000I remember I was watching all the blaxploitation films, like one month, and I watched the movie Shaft.
00:59:05.000And I realized that, with a couple of exceptions, Shaft was the pinnacle of black film.
00:59:11.000They say it's one of the best of all time.
00:59:23.000And so if you take a look and you watch the film Shaft, side by side with The Godfather, you know, an Italian filmmaker, an Italian story versus, you know, Shaft, it's sort of a red pill.
00:59:37.000It says, well, you know, maybe some people are just better at things than other people.
01:04:03.000But I just got to say, I just wanted to come on and say that the message you've got about improving yourself and getting in the system from inside and then changing it later on, that's the only way to go.
01:04:20.000There's no way we're changing things right now.
01:04:28.000You know, I mean, and if you knew the people who were in the system now, you would get it.
01:04:33.000Because we have some really, really solid people on the inside that you've never heard of.
01:04:40.000And they're more solid than the people that you have heard of, but they cannot do what must be done with the numbers that we have right now.
01:04:48.000You know, maybe you got 25, 50, 100 of them.
01:06:32.000I don't know if you could say the last year was winning, but you understand that we've got our guy in the White House.
01:06:37.000That's a win, you know, and we won the election and we won the House and we won the Senate.
01:06:42.000And I think people, maybe their expectations are too high because, you know, he's right.
01:06:49.000We are going to have to learn how to deal with defeat because we're going to see a lot of it in a war, in a battle, and especially one where we don't have a good chance of winning.
01:06:59.000You see a lot of casualties, you see a lot of setbacks.
01:07:03.000But, you know, just like the American Revolution, just like any war, you know, you're going to have to just put your head down and keep working at it.
01:07:56.000And it was radio silence for 19 years in terms of, you know, were we going to succeed?
01:08:03.000Were we going to turn around the Republican Party?
01:08:05.000Non intervention, immigration restriction took 19 years.
01:08:10.000You know, imagine just sitting around and waiting for 19 years before Donald Trump gets up in Trump Tower and says, you know what?
01:08:17.000We're going to build a wall and we're going to start tariffing China and we're going to pull out of Iraq and George Bush didn't keep us safe and all this other stuff.
01:08:26.000It took 19 years, but eventually it came around.
01:08:30.000Now, Let's say Donald Trump fails and he loses in 2020.
01:08:34.000What happens if everybody invests and in 20 years, imagine the potential we'll have?
01:08:40.000If we took this revolution and instead of just going on a spending frenzy and saying, oh, let's just sort of live off of this victory, ride our coattails off of this forever, what if we took the gains from 2016, the dividends from 2016, and we invested that now?
01:09:01.000And then what would happen in 20 years?
01:09:03.000In other words, instead of saying this is the MAGA movement, this is the end all be all, what if instead we said everybody who was red pilled by the MAGA revolution, instead of them blowing and going crazy now, what if they all went to work for the next 20 years?
01:09:19.000And what would happen by 2036 or 2040?
01:12:32.000Like sometimes I see these, you know, kind of softer guys and kind of weak, kind of lonely.
01:12:38.000And originally, originally I thought it was like, uh, might be a good opportunity to recruit people, but you really don't want to see those people like hanging around the movement.
01:12:46.000I think it's kind of fun to like, um, you know, mog them essentially.
01:12:52.000I think, uh, yeah, I mean, even the invention of the word bullying to me is, uh, Sort of wrong because giving people a hard time is sort of just a natural part of life.
01:13:11.000Yeah, people respond, I think, some people respond to the sort of being nice and being totally accepting, but there's a point at which only toughness works.
01:13:22.000And I think that applies in a lot of different contexts.
01:13:27.000With weak right wing people, I think it's an absolute must.
01:13:30.000I'm famous for being like a bridge burner or, you know, a countersignaler or whatever, but look at how effective that has been.
01:13:37.000You know, if you're a pagan now, you're a joke.
01:13:40.000If you're a wignat, if you're an alt rider, you're a joke.
01:13:45.000You know, nobody I don't think came over to the optic side because I made a really good argument, although I did, but it was because being an alt right person means being stale and being corny and being cheesy, being associated with a gay academic.
01:13:59.000The little, yeah, the Richard Spencer, yeah, no, yeah, I.
01:14:02.000I totally know what you mean, and there's admiration to it, is what I think it is.
01:14:05.000Like, you see some guy just going out there, Nick the knife, slicing people up.
01:14:39.000Another salient point, especially now.
01:14:43.000Yeah, people have to realize that everything has a time and a place.
01:14:47.000You know, there's an overused quote by Saul Alinsky, which I forget the exact phrase, but he says something to the effect that something that drags on too long becomes a drag.
01:14:56.000I don't know if that's exactly what he says, but basically, you know, if you have a strategy that works and, Use it too much, it stops working.
01:15:06.000You know, this applies to me, this applies to a lot of things.
01:15:10.000You know, it stops being funny after a while.
01:15:12.000It's like that episode of SpongeBob when he does the ripped pants joke.
01:15:16.000These fucking retarded wig nats need to watch that episode because they're like, ripped pants, Rio, ripped pants.
01:15:22.000And they're not realizing, hey, it's not funny anymore.
01:15:25.000You know, they're still, oh, look at the Tron grid, the Fash Wave aesthetic.
01:15:29.000Hey, are you a fellow Hawaii fasci guy?
01:16:21.000For us to succeed, and this is what people don't understand, they're so committed to.
01:16:26.000You know, this being a true believer that they've forgotten how to be practical, you know, what is useful.
01:16:33.000I'm all about what's fresh, what's funny.
01:16:36.000I'm about good content and everything else doesn't matter.
01:16:39.000And so when you're focused on that, you're focused on, you know, what is working at the time, what is trendy, you know, again, what is new and innovative.
01:16:48.000And that's what we have to be focused on is that kind of stuff instead of trying to make the same stuff work, trying to make the same stuff stick.
01:16:55.000You know, people are still doing the merchant, people are still doing.
01:16:58.000All this goofy stuff that just doesn't work anymore because it's not the same context.
01:17:03.000You know, I think what changed is that in a big way, a lot of the alt-right stuff is no longer ironic anymore.
01:17:17.000But now these are actual just losers who have this insane, crazy, extreme worldview where they literally think they're going to make the revolution happen from their basement.
01:17:28.000Yeah, they think they're the next Hitler.
01:17:29.000Yeah, and people are like, yeah, we don't want to be a part of that.
01:18:38.000It stands for the Junior State of America.
01:18:40.000You go, you write bills, you kind of argue on them, and you get this fun little school trip to D.C. once a year where you put it all together and all these kids from all these different chapters come and you fight them.
01:19:15.000And I look at him and I go, look, buddy, look, I'm trying to save your life here, okay?
01:19:23.000Don't call yourself that anymore, okay?
01:19:25.000Even if, I mean, the ideology itself is kind of retarded, but I don't want this kid to get himself killed, you know, docs and all this shit.
01:19:53.000You have to understand, like, if you want these people to take your side, they hear fascists and they go, Oh, windmillman, German windmillman, bad, bad.
01:20:01.000Like, why would you ever associate yourself with that fucking label?
01:20:05.000Like, they believe the NPC meme, they know people are dumb, and then they're like, Yeah, I'm a Hollywood villain.
01:20:34.000The people who wield power are the people who know how to control language.
01:20:38.000And that's what the alt right doesn't understand how to control language.
01:20:42.000Because you're right, if you go up to somebody and say, I'm a fascist, like you either sound like, like you say, Hollywood villain, or you sound like, you know, what would be analogous on the right to some left wing, you know, guy with.
01:20:56.000Glasses saying, I'm a Maoist syndicalist.
01:21:29.000They think if we just find the perfect, most correct belief structure and we communicate it in the purest, most truthful way, well, eventually people will come around, wrong, wrong, uh uh, it doesn't work.
01:22:01.000You know, the only way, and this is something that you see all the time the people that win in politics, the people that own people in politics, are not the people that win the argument.
01:22:11.000They're the people that people perceive as winning, the people that look the coolest, that project the highest status.
01:22:18.000This is why, for example, one Zoomer is worth more than a million Richard Spencer's and Mike Enoch's.
01:22:25.000Because at the end of the day, if you're a young, sexy, white, 20 something guy, Who knows how to do a Fortnite dance and make a TikTok?
01:22:33.000You have more social value than some fat guy, Gen Xer with a beard who does a podcast.
01:22:40.000Oh, well, you know, that guy may be based in Red Pill and all the rest.
01:22:44.000He's got a college degree, though, Nick.
01:24:17.000The problem is that alt right was so perfect because it was.
01:24:21.000Staccato, it was short, it was, you know, in terms of alt, you know, that's obviously a way to shorten alternative.
01:24:29.000And what we are is an alternative to the conventional right.
01:24:32.000So it's so perfect and such a shame that all the retards co opted that.
01:24:37.000But we're going to have to find something.
01:24:39.000I haven't found it yet, but we're going to have to find the one that is both optical, that is like clean, it has no negative connotations, it's short, it communicates what we're trying to say.
01:25:13.000I hope that was a Based and Red Pill Zoomer because that guy really gets it.
01:25:16.000That's a guy that I want to hang out with.
01:25:18.000You know, some people they call into the show and they're like, well, I don't want to compare with others, but, you know, that's somebody who gets it.
01:25:55.000I think he's the most respectable person in the movement with the most credibility.
01:25:59.000You know, he says we have to be ruthless.
01:26:01.000We have to be giving our ideas the benefit of the doubt in the sense that we shouldn't be a liability to the message we're trying to put forward.
01:26:08.000In other words, have the best look, the best arguments, the best rhetoric, and all the rest.
01:26:13.000And the way to do that is to have, you know, people, it's superficial, it is, but people that look good, that sound good, and they're relatable, they're hip, they're fresh.
01:27:15.000And so when he gets up there, the worst thing that the left says about him is not that he's wrong, it's that he's a loser.
01:27:21.000You know, you see those Turning Point USA memes, and the most damaging thing to the Turning Point brand is not that they're capitalist shills bought and paid for by the Koch brothers, it's that Charlie Kirk looks like a retard, and he sounds like a retard, and he's not cool.
01:31:27.000You know, if that's home ownership, if that's getting married, if that's, you know, a certain level of, you know, what you want your income to be, whatever it is, but you need to have a plan and a step by step guide that is realistic for how to get there, what you want to do.
01:31:42.000But that's the biggest mistake I see people make they go from high school right into college.
01:31:46.000They don't know what they're doing, they don't have a plan.
01:31:49.000You know, when I was 18, do you want to know how I chose my college?
01:31:53.000I just said, Well, I like Boston because they have clam chowder.
01:31:58.000And my parents told me that I guess they have kind of a good program.
01:32:02.000And hey, South Carolina, I'll apply there because, you know, they're having this dinner.
01:32:06.000They have this free lobster dinner in Chicago to tell you about their program.
01:32:27.000So that was the kind of decision making that I was making at 18 years old.
01:32:31.000And like I said, if I didn't get a big scholarship because I'm a genius, I would have been paying 65 grand for tuition, an extra 15 grand for housing and everything else.
01:32:42.000And you're not in the right mentality to do those kinds of things.
01:34:46.000But yeah, I've read a little of Dimestra.
01:34:47.000He really influenced my way of thinking in terms of if you think about the liberal constitution versus the so called divine right of the king, you know.
01:35:01.000Getting ultimate sovereignty from God.
01:35:03.000You know, I think that was a big and important thought in my development, so I'm a fan.
01:35:10.000Sniff Brap says, Is your whole family as religious as you, Nick?
01:37:25.000Nobody's willing to stick their neck out.
01:37:26.000That's the biggest problem that we have.
01:37:28.000Because you have a lot of people who are based in Red Pill, they know about the issues, and they just, you know, but they don't really stick their neck out ever.
01:37:37.000And in some sense, I guess sometimes that's good, but.
01:37:42.000There's sort of two schools of thought on this.
01:37:43.000On the one hand, we have to be subversive.
01:37:55.000There's another school of thought which says it's not going to get better until people start coming out on a lot of this stuff, on a lot of these issues, defending our guys.
01:38:04.000And until that happens, I don't think it'll ever turn around.
01:38:08.000At some point, there has to be people who are going to stand up and say, What's right and stick up for the people that are doing what's right.
01:39:21.000I can always nitpick on little things here and there, but generally he's got the right idea.
01:39:26.000But I don't want to totally dive back into that because obviously it's a very contentious debate when we were debating about the internal optics of America First Media.
01:40:21.000Bill says, do you think in the future a president could get support to invoke Section 212 of the INA to declare a moratorium on legal immigration by selling it as a way to raise the minimum wage to $15?
01:43:22.000So it helps, but I don't think it's, unless you're running for president, I don't think it's the end of the world.
01:43:30.000Bill Mitchell says Do you support classic traditionalism, believing tradition has to be organic and passed down generationally to be legitimate?
01:43:38.000Or do you believe we can resurrect or adopt traditions and religions not connected to our ancestors?
01:43:43.000Yeah, that's not called traditionalism.
01:43:47.000Do you believe in traditionalism, except it's not traditional at all?
01:43:53.000Yeah, and I believe in the traditional traditionalism.
01:43:56.000I believe in the variety of traditionalism, which is traditional, you know, not the one that is anti traditional, which is what you're describing.
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