America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - The State of Identity - Richard Spencer and Nick Fuentes, TPS #5

00:00:41.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to the public space.

00:00:44.000 I am here today with three great men of American conservatism, Nick Frontes and Richard Spencer, to discuss the state of identity, the state of movements of identitarianism, either in the US or elsewhere in the world.

00:01:01.000 It's a pleasure to have these three, these two great minds with us tonight to discuss this important subject.

00:01:09.000 Starting with Nick Frontes, Nick, you are an American conservatist.

00:01:15.000 And you are a religious person, a Catholic, and it seems that a large part of your identity is based around your religious view.

00:01:25.000 Yes, that's correct.

00:01:26.000 And I have to chuckle a little bit that you, and I saw Richard was chuckling as well, that you call us conservatives because that is, I think, one of the big differences between me and Richard.

00:01:38.000 I know Richard wouldn't really describe himself as that, but I would describe myself as a conservative, a traditionalist, a Catholic, and a nationalist.

00:01:46.000 So that's me.

00:01:48.000 All right.

00:01:49.000 And Richard Spencer, you are the editor of altright.com.

00:01:53.000 You are one of the leaders of the alt right.

00:01:57.000 You are a spokesperson for this movement, and it's been going on for many years.

00:02:02.000 You are one of the foremost thinkers currently on the planet on questions of white nationalism, identity, and racial identity.

00:02:12.000 How are you doing today?

00:02:15.000 I'm doing very well.

00:02:17.000 And thanks for having me on.

00:02:17.000 All right.

00:02:18.000 I'm glad to.

00:02:20.000 Your show seems to be going very well, and I'm very happy to be here in the beginning.

00:02:25.000 I'm very happy to be on the show with Nicholas Fuentes as well.

00:02:28.000 Ah, yes.

00:02:29.000 The feeling is mutual.

00:02:30.000 Good to finally get back.

00:02:34.000 People don't know this, but Nick is actually standing in front of a green screen.

00:02:41.000 And they've keyed it out, and they are projecting on top of a green screen another green screen.

00:02:48.000 True.

00:02:49.000 That is pretty meta.

00:02:50.000 All right.

00:02:51.000 So I think that you guys can carry this discussion. wherever you want, but I start, I thought that I could start with maybe an initiating thought, uh, particularly to Nick Fruentes on the question of your racial awareness, because I saw some of your tweets today and you were saying that calling you a white nationalist, a white nationalist is a lie that you don't self-label as this, you don't identify as this.

00:03:18.000 However, you are racially aware.

00:03:20.000 So I was wondering, uh, what is your position on What constitutes your identity and what constitutes the best form of identitarianism that a society can pursue right now?

00:03:34.000 Sure, that's a great question.

00:03:36.000 Yeah, I was talking about that earlier today because, of course, there was a big hit piece about me in Right Wing Watch by Jared Holt.

00:03:44.000 We're all a big fan of Jared Holt around here because I attended the American Renaissance Conference this weekend.

00:03:51.000 And, you know, the reason I wouldn't call myself a white nationalist, it's not because I don't see the necessity for. 0.73

00:03:58.000 White people to have a homeland and for white people to have a country. 0.65

00:04:02.000 It's because I think that kind of terminology is used almost exclusively by the left to defame.

00:04:09.000 And I think the terminology and the labels that we use, I don't think we can look at them outside of the context of their connotations in America.

00:04:17.000 Whereas maybe it might be descriptive to call somebody a white nationalist, I think it sort of loses something when an average person hears that and it's almost synonymous with Nazi or villain or whatever.

00:04:30.000 And so I would say I'm a white person.

00:04:32.000 I'm conscious of my white identity, conscious of nationalism.

00:04:36.000 But I think, in a way, it's almost redundant to say that you're a white nationalist.

00:04:40.000 We know that the word nation almost implicitly talks about ethnicity and biology.

00:04:47.000 If you go back to the history of the word, a nation is not synonymous with country or state.

00:04:52.000 Nation itself means a people.

00:04:54.000 So I think if I call myself a nationalist, it's almost implicit in that word that it's, well, you know, America does have a heritage of being a European country.

00:05:04.000 So a little bit about the wording because I know a lot of people would be confused by that, but that's really how I see myself.

00:05:12.000 All right.

00:05:13.000 Now, Richard, on your side, you are a racial identitarian. 0.66

00:05:19.000 It seems that you put the existence of the white race as one of your first values. 0.63

00:05:25.000 Is it your first approximation that Nick's view does not contradict your view?

00:05:32.000 What Nick just said, I would not contradict at all.

00:05:36.000 I think what he just said is a down to earth, basic conservatism, nationalism.

00:05:42.000 I wish there were more conservatives like Nick as opposed to conservatives who.

00:05:47.000 Get excited by Bibi Netanyahu ordering our country to bomb his racial enemies, to be honest.

00:05:56.000 So I have no major problem.

00:05:59.000 I certainly would define myself differently than Nick does.

00:06:04.000 For some time, I've called myself an identitarian.

00:06:07.000 And I would say that right now, if you hear that word identitarian, if it means anything to you at all, it's probably a method of activism.

00:06:19.000 More than anything.

00:06:21.000 Martin Zellner actually had a big coup recently where they went to the French Alps and things like that.

00:06:30.000 And I would have loved to be there.

00:06:31.000 I would have probably gone skiing and missed the whole activism event, although it is late to be doing that.

00:06:40.000 But anyway, I think people have associated it with that.

00:06:43.000 It's kind of a younger form of nationalist and hipper, and people engage in kind of flash mob like things.

00:06:51.000 And that's fine.

00:06:54.000 But the identitarianism is not a great marketing term.

00:06:58.000 It brings about confusion more than anything else.

00:07:01.000 That's why I think marketing terms like alt right or even just simply calling yourself a conservative or what have you, that's probably just simply better.

00:07:09.000 But I do think that it's a good term and it's a meaningful one.

00:07:12.000 The left is, what made the left across the 19th century and into the 20th was a basis in class consciousness.

00:07:24.000 And a basis in national and indeed world revolution.

00:07:29.000 So that was effectively their starting point.

00:07:32.000 When you talk about the conservatism, and when you say that word, it's hard to get away from the American conservative movement.

00:07:42.000 The term conservative was actually in ill repute up until the 1950s, it was not regularly used.

00:07:49.000 It's very interesting.

00:07:50.000 In the election of 1960, John F. Kennedy called himself a fighting conservative.

00:07:57.000 And Richard Nixon called himself something, he says, I'm a rational liberal or something.

00:08:06.000 And so it was a kind of reversal type thing.

00:08:09.000 But that word was not in good standing.

00:08:12.000 And it was brought into good standing by William F. Buckley and his movement that developed around national reviews since the 1950s.

00:08:20.000 And so whereas the left had a basis in class consciousness and world revolution, the right, It had a fuzzier basis.

00:08:29.000 They seem to be based in the Constitution or in vague, kind of generic Christian values.

00:08:37.000 Or if you want to be a little more critical and cynical, as I would be, they were based in a kind of mirror reflection of Marxism. 0.78

00:08:45.000 They were based in a global revolution for capitalism and an attempt to roll back the Soviet Union better dead than red.

00:08:53.000 That's what all the young conservatives chanted.

00:08:56.000 So that was the basis of the right.

00:08:58.000 And the identitarianism is attempting something new.

00:09:04.000 You could also connect this back with Alexander Dugan's fourth political theory.

00:09:11.000 Dugan has talked about there are three major political theories of the 20th century there's liberalism, which came first, there is Marxism, communism, then there's fascism, which is a reaction in many ways.

00:09:24.000 And it was that older ideology which has actually lasted, whereas fascism and communism have, I hate to use this terminology, they've gone into the dustbin.

00:09:35.000 So that fourth political theory is this.

00:09:37.000 This openness to a new beginning.

00:09:40.000 And identitarianism, I think, is a kind of answer to that question.

00:09:45.000 So the basis of a political thought has to start with a concept of identity.

00:09:52.000 And from there, you move outward.

00:09:55.000 And what is identity?

00:09:58.000 We have some personal affinities.

00:10:00.000 We have a national identity.

00:10:01.000 I have a passport.

00:10:03.000 I pay taxes.

00:10:05.000 I speak a language.

00:10:07.000 I was born in Massachusetts.

00:10:09.000 I grew up in Dallas, Texas.

00:10:10.000 Those are all.

00:10:12.000 We're getting into deeper, but I would say at the basis of identity is race.

00:10:18.000 And within race, there is ethnicity.

00:10:22.000 And ethnicity can very often contradict with race, but ethnicity can be a kind of contradictory thing.

00:10:35.000 There are nations within states, within nation states, there are nations that stretch between nation states.

00:10:42.000 This 19th century ideal of an equation between the state and the nation, which was this democratic ideal, is not always perfect.

00:10:50.000 There are many, many Frances.

00:10:52.000 There are many Britons.

00:10:53.000 There are many Americas, certainly, to be sure. 0.59

00:10:56.000 But if you could say that we could spread out to that widest form of identity, a true basis, it is race.

00:11:04.000 And within that, there are concentric circles.

00:11:07.000 Sometimes these concentric circles are in conflict, but I think generally speaking, we try to get away from that.

00:11:12.000 So whereas the left began with a consciousness of Class revolt and world revolution, we are going to start in identity.

00:11:22.000 Whereas conservatives, I don't quite, and turn the left, I don't know where the left is starting at this point. 0.71

00:11:28.000 They're starting in like elective lifestyle, bisexual transhumanism or something. 0.96

00:11:35.000 I mean, who knows where the left is now? 0.94

00:11:36.000 It's not based in class in a way.

00:11:38.000 But we want to be based in identity.

00:11:40.000 That's our starting point.

00:11:41.000 And so when we talk about issues, when we talk about foreign policy, when we talk about economics, we might reach.

00:11:48.000 Unusual, you could even say ad hoc solutions.

00:11:51.000 I'm not inherently opposed to socialism.

00:11:55.000 I might disagree with socialism on occasion, but I'm not inherently ideologically opposed to it.

00:12:01.000 The real question is is this servicing the flourishing of our people and our greater race?

00:12:06.000 I'd like to hear from both of you your answer to identity from the left, because the left plays on identity.

00:12:13.000 As you mentioned, Richard, it plays on the class identity.

00:12:17.000 It also plays on racial identity, and it plays on On gender and sexual identity around the LGBT movement.

00:12:26.000 What should be the answer from the right to this? 0.68

00:12:29.000 Destroy this identity or respect it or undermine it or go along with it?

00:12:37.000 I'll let Nick go first.

00:12:37.000 Yeah, very good question.

00:12:39.000 Yeah, sure.

00:12:40.000 I think it is kind of interesting because you do see with the right and the left, there is this idea that the left embraces identity politics.

00:12:49.000 This is what the Ben Shapiro's of the world say, this is what the conservative establishment, conservative Inc., says that the left embraces identity.

00:12:58.000 And I think there is part of the right which can be seen.

00:13:01.000 I think that's why you get people like Mike Tokes and Ali Akbar who call me a leftist because they say it's the same identity politics.

00:13:08.000 But I think to Richard's point about the fourth position, about this new identitarian place that we're entering, I do think we see an ideology of difference as opposed to sameness.

00:13:19.000 I think what the right and the left have in common in their universalism is a rejection of difference, a rejection of difference in terms of gender, in terms of race.

00:13:29.000 You know, we see both the right and the left embrace.

00:13:32.000 The idea that women and men are basically the same.

00:13:35.000 You know, you'll have conservatives say that men and women are different, but are they really?

00:13:40.000 Because they both encourage them to have the same exact functions in society. 0.89

00:13:43.000 They both believe they should both be in the workforce, and feminism is okay in certain places, right?

00:13:49.000 And on race, they both say we're all equal.

00:13:52.000 We're all pink on the inside, both the right and the left.

00:13:55.000 And so I think that kind of speaks to Richard's point and Alexander Dugan's essay or his theory about the fourth political theory, which is, We're moving into a new age where you have this global clash of civilizations of all these different peoples coming together, coming into conflict, religions, ethnicities, nations, civilizations, where we're going to have to, I think, assert an identity very strongly.

00:14:19.000 And I think it's grounded in race, it's grounded in biology.

00:14:22.000 I think there's a cultural component as well, but I think that has got to be the answer to that from the right. 0.65

00:14:28.000 I don't think it's going to be sufficient that we have kind of this milquetoast feminism, this milquetoast. 0.58

00:14:34.000 kind of racial egalitarianism.

00:14:36.000 I don't think that's a sufficient answer for the left because it's not rooted in reality.

00:14:41.000 We know that in reality, things like gender, race, all the rest are firmly grounded in science.

00:14:47.000 They're firmly grounded.

00:14:48.000 You know, I was at American Renaissance, JF, you're a biologist.

00:14:51.000 We know that scientifically these things are real.

00:14:54.000 And so I think if we have that kind of, and I would describe myself with the adjective identitarian.

00:15:00.000 I wouldn't say I'm like a noun and identitarian.

00:15:04.000 I think we would have to, in some way, affirm that identity as real.

00:15:07.000 So I think I'm in agreement there.

00:15:11.000 Yeah.

00:15:12.000 I mean, I agree with everything Nick just said.

00:15:17.000 I would add that there is this interesting dialectic within the left.

00:15:22.000 And so, on the one hand, there is a quest for homogeneity, indeed, global homogeneity, sameness.

00:15:31.000 We're all one world. 0.97

00:15:34.000 It's skin color is just that. 1.00

00:15:36.000 It's some. 0.99

00:15:38.000 It's almost like putting on a new fragrance of perfume or so. 0.99

00:15:41.000 It has no more implications than that skin color. 0.62

00:15:45.000 And so there is that quest towards globalism and an inherent individualism as well, which is at the heart of the left.

00:15:52.000 And those two things are obviously not in contradiction.

00:15:55.000 Their version of individualism is, of course, consumer choice, sexual predilections, career kind of thing.

00:16:04.000 But then at the same time, within the left, there's a kind of otherness to them in the sense that.

00:16:11.000 The left has to engage in identity politics.

00:16:14.000 Now, it will not ever, probably ever, engage in white identity politics. 0.52

00:16:20.000 I think a lot of people have even told me, they're like, Richard, you've got to tone down your harsh rhetoric.

00:16:26.000 And you should say, oh, just, I'm a white person. 0.99

00:16:29.000 I just want a seat at the multi culty table.

00:16:31.000 Like, hey, you know, hey, y'all, we're all in this together type thing.

00:16:36.000 I mean, I'm not, I don't know, I'm not religiously opposed to doing that maybe on occasion, but that's not going to work. 1.00

00:16:42.000 So they will not allow whites to have identity. 0.92

00:16:44.000 But at the same time, the left has its own quest for authenticity. 0.68

00:16:49.000 And so when you tell a black person, like conservatives are always, Lecturing black people, you know, oh, get rid of this identity politics stuff.

00:16:57.000 You're an American citizen, just like me. 0.70

00:17:00.000 And a lot of the left, I think they're right when they say, no, that's an African American.

00:17:06.000 He has a fundamentally different experience.

00:17:09.000 And, you know, again, I don't want anyone to take this like I'm endorsing the left or something.

00:17:14.000 What I'm saying is that just because they're generally speaking wrong and awful doesn't mean that they're not actually getting at something that conservatives aren't.

00:17:24.000 That conservatives want to ignore, just willfully ignore the identity question and pretend that all our questions could be answered through economics, basically.

00:17:34.000 You know, Ben Shapiro is like, yeah, what you don't understand here, folks, is that actually capitalism is the most anti racist system.

00:17:42.000 So the left should actually embrace my positions.

00:17:45.000 You're welcome, liberals, you know, QED.

00:17:49.000 That's basically how conservatives argue.

00:17:51.000 And they take liberal assumptions and they're like, oh, don't you see how actually conservative free market principles lead to your ends?

00:17:58.000 I mean, it's incredible that they don't recognize this.

00:18:01.000 So the left is actually.

00:18:03.000 After Alex Jones' imitation of Ben Shapiro, we now have a Richard Spencer imitation of Ben Shapiro.

00:18:10.000 Now, what you're suggesting is almost in line with Sargon of Akkad's horseshoe theory.

00:18:16.000 He's saying what the alt right will do ultimately is do exactly, they will be right wing SJWs, which to me is not bad at all.

00:18:25.000 I think, just like you, Richard, that there is something true.

00:18:30.000 In the left saying, yes, a black person is different and they have different needs and different experiences.

00:18:38.000 Do you take issue with being called a proponent of horseshoe theory?

00:18:45.000 I mean, look, you know, I obviously chafe when I'm called, oh, you're a right wing SJW or whatever.

00:18:52.000 They're just attempting to win the argument by calling us names.

00:18:55.000 But I would actually stand by what I just said.

00:18:58.000 Yes, there is a way.

00:19:02.000 It's not a horseshoe theory where the right and the left meet and they're the same or whatever in National Socialist Stalinism or whatever.

00:19:12.000 But that doesn't mean that there isn't something to the left.

00:19:16.000 We can grant them something in our debate with them.

00:19:20.000 And now, again, I'm not saying they're good at all.

00:19:24.000 I actually attended a Georgetown lecture recently.

00:19:29.000 It was rather funny.

00:19:30.000 And I was reminded why I'm so happy to be out of academia.

00:19:34.000 There was this. 1.00

00:19:35.000 Just, you know, big stodgy, kind of puritanical looking lesbian who went on stage. 1.00

00:19:40.000 And she was just mouthing all these religious things. 0.99

00:19:43.000 Because it really is a kind of religion.

00:19:45.000 You have to speak the catechism, you know, pray to the gods, you know, make some offerings.

00:19:51.000 And so she said this word salad of like, she actually mentioned the word identitarian.

00:19:57.000 I think that's kind of in there.

00:19:58.000 But, you know, she was saying, you know, we who will achieve a diversity within unity and togetherness and a kind of activism that brings about a true authenticity.

00:20:08.000 It was just, I was like, my head was hurting.

00:20:11.000 But the fact is, these people are terrible. 0.99

00:20:14.000 They're ridiculous, but they might actually be getting at something. 0.99

00:20:17.000 And the left kind of needs that to ground itself. 0.93

00:20:21.000 If it's purely about just globalism, no one would want to be a part of it.

00:20:25.000 It's awful.

00:20:27.000 Who wants to be a part of the global free market?

00:20:30.000 I mean, it's fine, I guess, on certain discrete realms of I don't mind buying a car made in Germany or a leather, olive oil made in Italy or something.

00:20:45.000 That's great, great free market.

00:20:47.000 Thank you very much.

00:20:49.000 But in terms of just becoming Part of this global order.

00:20:52.000 No one wants that.

00:20:53.000 And so the left kind of needs to tap into identity because it's real and authentic and it has an emotional quality to us.

00:21:01.000 So I think the right should tap into that too.

00:21:03.000 We need to take what works from the left and tap into that authenticity and those emotions.

00:21:10.000 Yeah, true.

00:21:11.000 True.

00:21:12.000 And I remember during the State of the Union, I'll never forget, this was really, I think, a powerful symbol for what we're talking about at the State of the Union. 1.00

00:21:21.000 All the black.

00:21:22.000 Congressmen showed up to the address and they were wearing some kind of traditional, I don't know, some kind of traditional African scarf or something, some very colorful, you know, wonderful, rich, and spicy piece from the Botswanan collection. 0.97

00:21:37.000 But I remember it was distinct and it was to distinguish themselves from everybody else.

00:21:42.000 It was to remind them, and it was a left wing thing, but it was to say, we are different from you.

00:21:48.000 We are African American.

00:21:49.000 And I talk about this on my show a lot.

00:21:52.000 You know, there's this talk about the hyphenated American.

00:21:54.000 This was a very popular.

00:21:56.000 Talking point among the talk radio type people, the conservatives for the past 10 years.

00:22:01.000 Because, you know, remember that weird period in our lives and we had to call black people African Americans and that was like the rule?

00:22:07.000 But it really did say something, I think, profound about the country that you had to modify the descriptor American with African.

00:22:15.000 You had to modify for an Hispanic.

00:22:18.000 You had to modify what it meant to be an American to say you're an Hispanic American.

00:22:22.000 You never heard that a European American, a Russian American, a this American, because implicitly American meant.

00:22:30.000 That you were of European descent.

00:22:32.000 So, very rarely did you hear white American or Italian American or something like that, but almost it was ubiquitous that you heard African American, Hispanic American.

00:22:42.000 And it did say, like you said, that there are different experiences by these people in the country that can't simply be ignored.

00:22:48.000 They can't simply be abrogated by the fact that, you know, Rand Paul set up an economic freedom zone in the south side of Chicago.

00:22:54.000 And so, suddenly now we're all on the same playing field and we're all the same and everything's okay.

00:22:59.000 So, I think you're right. 1.00

00:23:01.000 And it's stupid for. 1.00

00:23:02.000 Conservatives or Republicans to pretend that doesn't exist. 1.00

00:23:06.000 It's stupid for them to ignore that at the expense of, I think, a great opportunity to tap into something which is very real for people. 0.90

00:23:13.000 You know, you're right in the sense that conservatism, as created, the modern conception of it, as created by William F. Buckley, it orbits around the marketplace, it orbits around the free market. 0.97

00:23:26.000 And Evola talked a lot about this how capitalism and communism are essentially two sides of the same coin.

00:23:32.000 They're essentially both.

00:23:34.000 Concerned entirely with the material, both concerned entirely with unemployment rates and GDP and numbers about money.

00:23:42.000 And for Republicans to focus solely on that, solely on the market and these kinds of quantitative concerns, as opposed to the emotional experiences, the heritage of people, it's a big waste.

00:23:55.000 And so the future for the Republican Party is doing what Donald Trump did, which is to find implicit and intuitive ways to tap into that kind of thing.

00:24:02.000 You know, Trump's Make America Great Again.

00:24:05.000 I think a lot of people were into it for the wall.

00:24:07.000 A lot of people were into it because of trade.

00:24:10.000 Some people were in it for healthcare.

00:24:11.000 But Make America Great Again fundamentally was about something I think much more, much deeper than that.

00:24:18.000 It was about nostalgia for what we all know.

00:24:21.000 What we all know why we feel nostalgic for maybe 50 or 150 years ago.

00:24:27.000 It wasn't because the economy was better, it was because the country was different.

00:24:31.000 It had a distinct character.

00:24:33.000 It had a distinct.

00:24:34.000 When Nick was a child, you know, 60 years ago.

00:24:37.000 When I was, I have Benjamin Button disease.

00:24:37.000 That's right.

00:24:40.000 So I'm a boomer, but going backwards, right?

00:24:42.000 So in my youth, right?

00:24:42.000 Yeah.

00:24:45.000 It is true.

00:24:46.000 Back to those kinds of times, even the wall.

00:24:48.000 Was the wall about immigration?

00:24:50.000 Did people say the wall is the best way to solve illegal immigration?

00:24:54.000 And I did the numbers and all that?

00:24:56.000 Or does the wall communicate to people that this is America and this is Mexico?

00:25:01.000 And there's a difference.

00:25:03.000 And America is America and Mexico will be Mexico.

00:25:05.000 And so that's the future of the right wing in the country. 0.58

00:25:08.000 We have to, as Richard said, we would be, I think, foolish to ignore that.

00:25:13.000 And I'll take it and call the right wing social justice warrior for them.

00:25:16.000 I mean, these.

00:25:17.000 These identities are important.

00:25:19.000 A reminder to the two guests, when you move, we hear your mic moving.

00:25:22.000 Uh, so both of you are sending some sound.

00:25:26.000 Be careful with the movements and the cup drop on the table.

00:25:29.000 Elder Paladin sends us a $50 super chat asking about how we get back to that state, Nick.

00:25:35.000 He says, Good news, show JF.

00:25:37.000 Question for both Nick and Richard.

00:25:39.000 For the future of nationalist and identitarian.

00:25:42.000 Do we try to hold.

00:25:45.000 I'm sorry, I lost the super chat.

00:25:47.000 Do we try to hold.

00:25:50.000 Oh my God, it's gone.

00:25:54.000 He was essentially asking, I remember from reading the super chat, he was essentially asking, should we, my God, I totally forgot it.

00:26:03.000 You guys are sending so much super chat, they are flowing away from my screen.

00:26:11.000 I suspect he was asking, should we try to hold on to that older America or move forward?

00:26:19.000 Probably what he was saying. 0.99

00:26:20.000 So I have it here.

00:26:21.000 Do we try to hold onto the American Republic or is there something better?

00:26:26.000 Fascism, third position, or even monarchism?

00:26:30.000 So I'd like to hear both of you on that.

00:26:33.000 Sure.

00:26:34.000 Should I go first?

00:26:35.000 Yep.

00:26:36.000 Yeah, go ahead.

00:26:37.000 Yeah.

00:26:38.000 Yes.

00:26:40.000 This is probably a place where Nick and I will diverge.

00:26:45.000 But I have been saying this for a number of years.

00:26:50.000 I don't think nostalgia will cut it.

00:26:53.000 And I obviously agree that what Trump was gesturing towards was a politics of nostalgia.

00:27:00.000 It was a kind of paleoconservatism in that sense.

00:27:05.000 And even in the very nature of it, make America great again.

00:27:10.000 This actually bothered a lot of liberals because they were like, America was never great.

00:27:14.000 Or what do you want to go back to 60 years ago and there was segregation?

00:27:19.000 But it was an inherently retroactive statement.

00:27:22.000 It was not towards the future.

00:27:25.000 It was about returning to a period of time.

00:27:29.000 And I would say this I don't think we can ever really return to periods of time.

00:27:33.000 And indeed, if we could rewind the video, it is simply going to end up at the same place where we are today.

00:27:45.000 If we could rewind back to 1950, 1950 set the groundwork for where we are today.

00:27:51.000 We have to acknowledge that there are inherent problems to the American project.

00:27:57.000 That led us to where we are.

00:28:00.000 And that doesn't mean that there were not great things about it.

00:28:04.000 I, of course, would never argue anything to the contrary, but that there isn't some fatal flaw within the American, you could say, republicanism, within constitutionalism, et cetera, that led to where we are now.

00:28:19.000 I think it's clear that we have to have something new.

00:28:24.000 Remember, as of 2011, the majority of babies born into the United States are non white. 0.82

00:28:32.000 In places like Alabama and places like that, it is dramatically. non white. 0.84

00:28:38.000 Even if we shut down all immigration, legal and illegal immigration, tomorrow morning, our destiny would not change, at least demographically speaking. 0.94

00:28:50.000 So we do need to think about the future in radical new ways.

00:28:55.000 And again, I'm probably going to rub some people the wrong way, maybe even rub Nick the wrong way in being kind of post American and so on, and to think things that people find totally impractical and so on.

00:29:10.000 My vision of an ethnostate is not an ethnostate in the sense that Poland right now is an ethnostate for the time being, I'd say, or Hungary is an ethnostate.

00:29:22.000 It is a grander concept, it is an imperial concept.

00:29:26.000 I'm not even, I'm so not an ethno nationalist.

00:29:31.000 I even acknowledge the fact that there is a certain white man's burden to us.

00:29:39.000 We are a ruling imperial people.

00:29:42.000 We are going to probably. 1.00

00:29:44.000 For better and for worse, going to have to take care of a lot of non white people into eternity. 1.00

00:29:52.000 And that is not something that I am excited about. 1.00

00:29:55.000 But the idea that we can just live and let live, I'm a nationalist for all nations, or all this kind of just goofy liberalism.

00:30:03.000 It's basically these kind of people who say that I'm a nationalist for all nations, live and let live.

00:30:09.000 That is effectively liberalism on a global scale, on a national scale.

00:30:13.000 I am not a nationalist for all nations.

00:30:15.000 I do not want all nations to.

00:30:18.000 Pursue their dreams.

00:30:19.000 I also recognize geopolitics and the nature of power.

00:30:26.000 History is often a zero sum game.

00:30:29.000 History is often about subordination and domination, and it's about patronage and so on.

00:30:35.000 And if we want to try to get away from that in order to be ideologically pure, like, oh, every ethnicity will have its little state, we're not going to really go anywhere.

00:30:44.000 So, again, I think that America is effectively done. 0.61

00:30:48.000 I do not think that we can return to anything.

00:30:51.000 And so the burden is on us.

00:30:53.000 It's a terrible burden.

00:30:54.000 It's not a fun one.

00:30:55.000 We're going to rub people the wrong way.

00:30:57.000 It's going to seem impractical.

00:30:59.000 But we're going to have to think these radical thoughts going forward to truly imagine a new future.

00:31:06.000 And I would just say this the people who want to just go back, I ultimately don't find them pragmatic.

00:31:13.000 Because the fact is, we can't just go back.

00:31:16.000 Even if we could, we're going to end up in the same place, or it's just simply not going to work.

00:31:24.000 You know, the whole Trump thing, I loved it.

00:31:26.000 I got hugely enthusiastic, you know, by it.

00:31:31.000 I am a, you know, at this point, I have to be honest, I'm a bit bitter about the whole experience.

00:31:38.000 But I'm kind of back where I was, you know, a few years ago.

00:31:42.000 And that is that we need to be a vanguard, radically imagining a new future.

00:31:48.000 Yeah, I don't disagree with the premise that we can't rewind.

00:31:54.000 I think that's true whether you think we should be, you know, an imperial. you know, colonial power, whatever you'd want to call it, or whether you think there's still a place for the American Republic.

00:32:03.000 I essentially agree.

00:32:04.000 That's probably one of the biggest misconceptions that's holding us back in the sense that I think people want to make old things new again, or they want to, like you said, rewind the tape.

00:32:16.000 And they think that if we just set where we are back a couple of steps, that it won't inevitably come back to the same place.

00:32:23.000 You know, people who say third wave feminism is a problem, for example, they say, well, we should go back to second wave or first wave feminism.

00:32:32.000 And of course, the fallacy in that is first wave feminism begot the second, begot the third.

00:32:37.000 And so you're right, it's almost a fool's errand.

00:32:40.000 So I don't disagree that we have to have some kind of idea of what the future will look like, have a realistic idea that we're not going back.

00:32:49.000 We can't just reset the tape.

00:32:51.000 It's going to take new ideas, probably some new infrastructure for what the country would look like.

00:32:56.000 I just simply disagree that it would be, you know, as Richard's vision has it.

00:33:01.000 I don't know what the future holds exactly, but.

00:33:03.000 I try and stay away from these kind of grand designs or these grand visions.

00:33:08.000 And I understand that there's a necessity for that.

00:33:11.000 I've always said that.

00:33:12.000 I've always said there's a necessity for people like Richard to start imagining, I think, outside the box what the future will look like.

00:33:20.000 I think, you know, right now we're in a very pivotal time where things are changing very rapidly.

00:33:25.000 The world is changing in every way, shape, and form in terms of technology, in terms of communication, in terms of race, in terms of global politics and migration.

00:33:35.000 So to have old world or even modern contemporary ideas about what the world will look like in 50 years, I think is probably not a very smart thing.

00:33:44.000 So I don't disagree that we need people imagining grand ideas and grand designs.

00:33:50.000 But me personally, I see, I'm looking at the short term. 0.98

00:33:53.000 I'm looking at what can we do in the next five to 10 to 15 years to mitigate the harm that's being done by mass immigration. 0.99

00:34:00.000 And I addressed this on my show last night. 0.96

00:34:02.000 Somebody did a super chat very similar to what Richard just said about demographics, the fact that Even if we stopped all immigration tomorrow, because the country is, in terms of births, less than 50% white already, things are already destined to be very different, to say the least, in the next couple of generations.

00:34:21.000 And my response to that question on my show is that it's a very simple task for how to change that in terms of we could very easily identify which variables have to change to reverse that situation.

00:34:35.000 You have the native-born population or the white population, you have the foreign-born population.

00:34:41.000 You have to get one of these numbers to increase. 0.94

00:34:43.000 One of these numbers to go down.

00:34:44.000 It's very simple to identify those variables and to identify ways to make one go up and one go down.

00:34:51.000 It's a lot more difficult to actually pursue that.

00:34:54.000 For example, it's very simple to say if you want birth rates to go up, you can embrace X, Y, and Z political policy.

00:35:01.000 You could do some kind of social thing or a cultural thing to get foreign born population down. 0.80

00:35:07.000 You cut immigration, you end entitlements so people self deport.

00:35:10.000 It's so much more difficult.

00:35:12.000 It's easy to identify those things.

00:35:13.000 It's so much more difficult to have the political will.

00:35:16.000 To carry those things through and on a scale that would be necessary.

00:35:21.000 But I think, in terms of the short term, that's where I'm at.

00:35:24.000 I still have a lot of love for the American system.

00:35:26.000 I think some of the problems with the Protestant culture, the Protestant government, and the liberal government, I think can be solved by, Richard's smiling because he knows the answer, by Catholicism, by a little old world Mediterranean kind of thinking.

00:35:43.000 But I don't think there's really a big difference.

00:35:44.000 I think me and Richard, I think there's a lot less difference than people might think.

00:35:49.000 I think we both.

00:35:51.000 Understand that the future is uncertain.

00:35:53.000 Things are changing very quickly.

00:35:55.000 And we can't rely on old or even contemporary kinds of thinking to forecast or think about the future.

00:36:01.000 I think it's going to take a radical vision, whether that's pragmatic in the short term or visionary in the long term.

00:36:08.000 We have to be thinking outside the box, not in the way that Conservative Inc. is doing.

00:36:12.000 So I think there's some overlap.

00:36:14.000 Maybe we disagree about how long America has to go or what the solution is, but generally we agree on the problem.

00:36:22.000 I'm wondering on the.

00:36:24.000 Oh, go ahead, Richard.

00:36:25.000 Yeah, I would just add in that we know, and this is something I've been thinking about recently.

00:36:31.000 I need to write more on this, but we need to think seriously about what exactly is happening.

00:36:38.000 And what I think, the way I see it is that we are seeing something that is actually not new in terms of the political dynamic, and that is a top bottom alliance against the middle.

00:36:52.000 And, you know, so I was.

00:36:55.000 You know, again, a lot of the criticism, it's hard to, this is such a big topic, it's hard to know where to start, so forgive me.

00:37:01.000 But a lot of the criticism of, say, white nationalism and so on, and again, I don't identify as a white nationalist just to, you know, let that be known.

00:37:10.000 But anyway, a lot of the criticism of white nationalism or even identitarianism or whatever is that, you know, oh, look, you're not representing white people. 0.96

00:37:19.000 Actually, tons of white people hate you. 0.84

00:37:21.000 And, you know, what's the problem? 0.99

00:37:23.000 Look at all these rich white people. 0.85

00:37:25.000 They're benefiting from the system. 0.69

00:37:26.000 That is true.

00:37:27.000 There are many people who benefit from the system. 0.68

00:37:29.000 There are many white people who are being degraded by the system, but are still kind of alive. 0.53

00:37:35.000 They're still hanging on, kind of thing.

00:37:38.000 And the fact is, so we need to understand what the dynamic is.

00:37:41.000 We aren't representing white people in the same way that, say, Al Sharpton represents the blacks or something like that. 0.66

00:37:49.000 We are actually, so many of our enemies are white. 0.69

00:37:53.000 Put aside the Jewish question, which is a difficult one, but so many of the people, none of this would be happening if white, if, Tons of white people were fully on board with it, ideologically and materially, and so on. 0.98

00:38:08.000 So we attack whites. 0.96

00:38:09.000 We have a white problem. 1.00

00:38:11.000 There's no question. 0.78

00:38:12.000 And what's happening is that there is a top bottom alliance where upper level whites who are benefiting from the system or think they could benefit from it are aligning themselves with people of color, with immigrants, even with the global South against the white middle class and the white working class. 0.54

00:38:33.000 And so while the white middle class is still kind of Limping along, the white working class is just being decimated. 0.52

00:38:39.000 I mean, it's absolutely sad.

00:38:42.000 But that is the dynamic.

00:38:44.000 And that's why what we're doing is so difficult, because in a way, we're sticking up for the middle, or perhaps Nick, especially, but me also, is that he's sticking up for the middle.

00:38:58.000 But the problem is the top does not operate in the way that conservatives and even Nick operate.

00:39:06.000 Nick is talking about how are we going to win the midterms?

00:39:09.000 Oh, you know, how can we build that wall?

00:39:11.000 How can we get funding from Congress?

00:39:14.000 How can we do all this kind of stuff?

00:39:15.000 The elite don't think that way.

00:39:17.000 The elite don't give a damn about democracy.

00:39:21.000 They don't give a damn about the niceties of getting stuff.

00:39:25.000 They use power. 0.78

00:39:27.000 They do.

00:39:28.000 We talk.

00:39:29.000 They act.

00:39:31.000 And so we are in this terrible situation.

00:39:35.000 I don't have an easy solution to it. 0.99

00:39:37.000 But we are basically getting, we are being crushed in a pincer like motion from basically elite whites and their minions, the people of color, immigrants and the global South. 0.72

00:39:50.000 They are crushing the alternative elite, which is the white middle class that is not aware of itself, that doesn't understand the problem it's in, and that is basically using, you know, using legal means, using the law and elections. 0.77

00:40:07.000 Talking and trying to convince people of their opinions in order to achieve their goals. 0.79

00:40:11.000 And we are losing.

00:40:13.000 I mean, look, many great things happened over the past few years, so on.

00:40:19.000 But come on, it's getting worse.

00:40:21.000 Let's be honest about this.

00:40:23.000 And I think so.

00:40:24.000 I don't know.

00:40:25.000 I don't know the answer to this situation.

00:40:27.000 But we have to analyze it first.

00:40:29.000 Before we can come up with a solution, we have to know what the problem is.

00:40:32.000 I think a lot of the immigration problems stem from the lower class and leftist class. 0.67

00:40:38.000 Uh, trying to squeeze that middle class by importing immigrants and by thinking if there's more immigrants in my country, there's going to be more people voting like me.

00:40:47.000 I think there's a desire to import people who are most, most likely to vote for the leftist parties in several countries. 0.88

00:40:54.000 At least Canada, I'm pretty sure it's the case.

00:40:56.000 We are receiving many messages of support.

00:40:58.000 Thank you.

00:40:59.000 I will not read them all, uh, here on the show, but we really appreciate the support. 0.93

00:41:04.000 Joe Doe, for example, says now that's fucking based. 0.80

00:41:08.000 And the old order says, well, never thought I would agree with Spencer so strongly. 0.98

00:41:12.000 Long live the new American imperium.

00:41:15.000 Um, I have a question to you two about the role of religion in identity and what happens when religion conflicts with racial identity?

00:41:25.000 Because, for example, if you're a Catholic, you are part of a church that welcomes as part of your group of allegiance, uh, people who are from other races, from other nations.

00:41:35.000 And I was wondering, Nick, how do you articulate when there is conflict between The race of people and the religion of people.

00:41:44.000 Do you dream of a world in which you would live in a multicultural but Catholic society?

00:41:49.000 Or do you say, no, no, religion is outside of my political identity?

00:41:55.000 Yeah, I would say that because I get this question a lot on my show.

00:42:00.000 And of course, the current Pope isn't really doing people like myself any favors, but I don't think there really are very many contradictions.

00:42:08.000 I know people are going to push back on that with a lot of misconceptions about the religion, but.

00:42:13.000 It's true.

00:42:14.000 Certainly, there was no trouble about mass immigration and all these kinds of questions for 2,000 years in the church.

00:42:21.000 It wasn't only until very recently that we started to see a so called contradiction.

00:42:26.000 You could even look at some of the greatest apologists of the Catholic faith, people like G.K. Chesterton, for example.

00:42:32.000 He said that the church loves the nations because the church created the nations, God created the nations in the book of Genesis.

00:42:39.000 And so, to be honest, I don't really see a very big contradiction, even in terms of immigration.

00:42:44.000 You know, you have Pope Francis who says all this convoluted stuff about.

00:42:47.000 Politics.

00:42:48.000 And on the topic of the Pope, just a side note, people think that's infallible.

00:42:52.000 The Pope is only speaking infallibly in a very narrow range of topics.

00:42:57.000 When he just spouts about politics, that's not, I mean, we're supposed to respect it because he's the Pope, but by no means in terms of theology do we say that he's infallible when he pontificates about global politics, only when he contributes to the magisterium.

00:43:10.000 But besides the point, the Pope may say one thing about immigration.

00:43:14.000 The Catholic Catechism is actually very, very, very specific.

00:43:18.000 About immigration policy.

00:43:20.000 They actually address it pretty specifically in detail.

00:43:22.000 They say things that, if you read them in the catechism, it would be against mass immigration in its present state. 0.99

00:43:29.000 It says you should take in refugees from war. 0.67

00:43:31.000 You should take in people who are really not great off, but you should not. 1.00

00:43:35.000 You're under no obligation to take people who are just fleeing their responsibilities in their country. 0.94

00:43:42.000 And also, it says that people that come into a country have to respect the culture and the religion of the country, all of which would go against what's happening.

00:43:50.000 So, for example, even the migrant crisis in Europe, I don't think the Catholic Catechism, if you read the actual text of it, would support people going through Turkey.

00:44:00.000 Going through Hungary, going through all these countries, and then finally they get into Sweden.

00:44:04.000 They say, probably stop in a safe country and then go back when it's safe, not this invasion.

00:44:09.000 So I don't think there are many contradictions.

00:44:11.000 That's number one.

00:44:12.000 But number two, I'm a Catholic because I fundamentally see this as the temporal world, whereas a materialist or an atheist sees this as the end all be all.

00:44:23.000 And so they think of it in terms of politics is over here and religion is over here.

00:44:28.000 I see that this is one of.

00:44:31.000 Of a greater world.

00:44:32.000 There's the life to come, which is much greater.

00:44:34.000 And so, if there is a contradiction between politics and religion, first of all, I don't really see it that way, but I always go with religion.

00:44:41.000 I think religion is more important than all of it put together because, you know, I really just reject the temporal world, the material.

00:44:48.000 And I think that you won't have a successful political movement in the country.

00:44:52.000 I think Richard is right on the money on a lot of this stuff.

00:44:56.000 But I think without religion, without that motivating factor, I think it's almost dead on arrival.

00:45:02.000 And we both agree on this problem of apathy.

00:45:04.000 Among our race, among this movement, people who just simply don't care.

00:45:08.000 People have basically checked out, people in this society who have been atomized and all their different conceptions of identity, whether it be national, community, racial, ethnic, religious, have all been torn down.

00:45:20.000 And people are now just these soulless consumers, these automatons, robots.

00:45:24.000 I think without a sufficient answer for suffering, for death, without a sufficient answer for why we're here, I don't think you're really addressing the core of the problem, which is.

00:45:36.000 People that are out of touch with their creator, people that are out of touch with the divine.

00:45:40.000 I think you show people beauty, you show people truth, you show them the faith, you show them God.

00:45:48.000 And I think the inevitable result is that you'll see a revival of communities, you'll see a revival of families, you'll see a real revival of the nation from the bottom up.

00:45:58.000 And so that's my piece on Facebook.

00:46:01.000 And we have a super chat that goes along those lines.

00:46:04.000 It says, whatever4690 says, Spencer, the term alt right is quickly being perceived as.

00:46:10.000 The same as the BNP, and many YouTubers are abandoning you.

00:46:14.000 Be more diplomatic.

00:46:15.000 Show you are about love, not hate.

00:46:19.000 Is that something that you think you failed at doing, Richard?

00:46:22.000 It is my impression that all of your desires, even when you talk of imperialism, are in order to create a better society.

00:46:30.000 Do you feel that this is the message you're putting forth?

00:46:34.000 No question.

00:46:35.000 Were they referencing the British National Party, the BNP?

00:46:38.000 Yeah, the BNP.

00:46:39.000 British National Party, I believe.

00:46:41.000 I don't know what that reference is, but.

00:46:44.000 I mean, the BNP has fallen away, but I certainly remember when the BNP was riding high.

00:46:49.000 And, you know, to be British is to be an imperialist.

00:46:54.000 I don't see where there's a big contradiction.

00:46:58.000 I would say this I am pro religion and maybe even pro Catholic.

00:47:06.000 I don't wish my tragic, angsty atheism on anyone.

00:47:10.000 I mean, it leads to unhappiness and doubt and self loathing and questioning.

00:47:17.000 I do think that.

00:47:18.000 Religion is necessary for any society.

00:47:22.000 And I don't think any society can exist.

00:47:26.000 There's a kind of glib white nationalist critique of religion, which is a half truth.

00:47:32.000 And so it is a half truth.

00:47:33.000 So it's not false, but sometimes a half truth can be worse than a lie. 0.99

00:47:38.000 And that is, oh, look at these Christianity cucks. 1.00

00:47:42.000 And sure, we have a lot of plenty of examples for that.

00:47:45.000 And, oh, it's a universal religion. 0.90

00:47:47.000 So you and a Bantu are the same in Christ, and you're literally worshiping a Jew. 0.99

00:47:55.000 Again, it's a half truth. 0.97

00:47:59.000 It's not like all of that's wrong. 0.97

00:48:01.000 I think there should be a serious critical examination and self examination by Christians. 0.98

00:48:09.000 There are serious problems with Christianity, but all of that is begging some bigger issue. 0.98

00:48:18.000 And that is who we are as a race. 0.51

00:48:21.000 What is an Aryan in the sense?

00:48:23.000 The Aryan is a spiritual.

00:48:27.000 Being.

00:48:29.000 We aren't purely material.

00:48:31.000 We have senses of universalism.

00:48:34.000 We have senses of the great big other that is God.

00:48:38.000 We have senses of the cosmos.

00:48:40.000 We have senses of the universe making sense.

00:48:43.000 We have an innate sense of trying to bring our tribes or tribes together through the preternatural, not simply through ordering people around and not simply through that familial ethnic connection of you're literally my cousin, but of actually bringing together. tribes into a race through a greater religious design.

00:49:07.000 There are serious, I'm not going to contradict all of the white nationalist right wing or even in a higher level, Alain de Benoit's criticisms of Christianity, which you can see in his book on being a pagan.

00:49:21.000 I'm not going to contradict this.

00:49:23.000 I think there are problems.

00:49:24.000 But again, I think that's begging that issue of who we are as whites.

00:49:29.000 We are a spiritual people.

00:49:30.000 We need this. 0.98

00:49:31.000 And so as opposed to rejecting Christianity, rejecting universalism, I think that is an absolute fool's errand. 0.74

00:49:39.000 That's not going to happen.

00:49:39.000 Christianity has deeply influenced who we are.

00:49:42.000 It's influenced who I am.

00:49:44.000 And in terms of rejecting a sense of the universal, you might as well attempt to reject our white skin.

00:49:52.000 I mean, this is who we are. 0.59

00:49:55.000 We made Christianity as much as Christianity made us.

00:49:59.000 We made Christianity.

00:50:01.000 I do think that Christianity and our religious sense do need to be radically transformed.

00:50:06.000 I think there needs to be a pantheon.

00:50:09.000 That honors our pagan deities and so on.

00:50:13.000 But that sense of binding us all together, that sense of the universal, that sense of forward looking futurism and so on, we need that.

00:50:21.000 We desperately need that.

00:50:22.000 So our struggle is spiritual, there's no question.

00:50:25.000 And I don't mean spiritual in the sense of we should become Richard Dawkins and just deconstruct Christianity.

00:50:31.000 That, again, half truths worse than a lie. 0.95

00:50:34.000 That leads absolutely nowhere and it's ignorant in a fundamental way.

00:50:39.000 We need a spiritual.

00:50:42.000 aspect to our race going forward.

00:50:44.000 And we need to transform it.

00:50:45.000 We might need to transform the church itself.

00:50:48.000 Nietzsche spoke of Cesare Borgia on the seat of Rome.

00:50:53.000 I've always liked that idea of Cesare Borgia as Pope. 0.98

00:50:57.000 But actually, Jewish Hollywood has given us a great idea in this regard. 0.62

00:51:03.000 I would actually encourage everyone to watch the Young Pope series. 0.75

00:51:09.000 Watching Jude Law, As Pope, you know, I wanted to be him.

00:51:15.000 He seems to represent some, you know, again, it's all on the screen, it's all fantasy.

00:51:20.000 We don't get that in real life. 0.78

00:51:21.000 In real life, we have a leftist as pope who denies hell, apparently, and is just an awful Jesuit. 0.62

00:51:29.000 But at least on the screen, we can imagine a different kind of pope, someone who could lead Europe, who could bind Europe in a way that Protestantism can't.

00:51:38.000 It's too divisive, it's too individualistic, it's too literal.

00:51:43.000 Don't read the Bible.

00:51:45.000 That just leads to confusion and contradictions.

00:51:49.000 One should embrace a church that is a real concrete structure.

00:51:55.000 With authority and hierarchy that leads us to the future.

00:51:58.000 So there you go, Nick.

00:51:59.000 Thank you.

00:52:00.000 This is beautiful.

00:52:02.000 I'm loving what I'm hearing.

00:52:04.000 It's true, though, but it's true.

00:52:05.000 I mean, the Catholic Church, it's all there hierarchy, tradition.

00:52:09.000 I mean, it's authority.

00:52:11.000 The only thing missing, of course, is the will, the will to power and then to throw a concession to Nietzsche.

00:52:18.000 So I agree with all that.

00:52:19.000 That's a good, what a wow.

00:52:21.000 Things are coming together here.

00:52:23.000 Beautiful, right?

00:52:24.000 So Clifford Baird sends a super chat.

00:52:33.000 I will say, I mean, it depends on how you interpret what Richard has been saying. 0.73

00:52:42.000 If you interpret it as a psychological fact of the human brain, the human brain has a spiritual experience of what it is to be white, then I would actually agree with him. 0.70

00:52:52.000 For many people who are interested in this question, there's probably a part of the population that does not Experience this.

00:52:58.000 And this would be my next question based on a previous super chat. 0.94

00:53:01.000 Gustav Klimt, 50 Knox says, More white babies change our culture. 0.74

00:53:07.000 In the process that is currently occurring in culture, it becomes apparent that there are many white people who will never identify as white. 0.61

00:53:16.000 They have bought the mainstream discourse on white, of even feeling white as being something bad, and they will get on with the left and they are just interested in diversity.

00:53:29.000 And I'm wondering from you two, What do we do with these people?

00:53:33.000 Do we isolate ourselves from them?

00:53:35.000 Do we focus on a base that agrees with identitarianism or nationalism of some kind and we just let people behind?

00:53:43.000 What do we do?

00:53:44.000 Well, I think people will be pushed towards us.

00:53:47.000 I think people will be pushed towards an embrace of a racial identity as the country changes around them. 0.57

00:53:52.000 I think it's very easy for white people to ignore white racial consciousness because for so long it was a given.

00:54:00.000 You know, all these liberals who rejected race.

00:54:04.000 You even look at the classical liberals.

00:54:06.000 They've had a long history of this where they say, you know, well, we have the open society.

00:54:10.000 They were able to do so because they were insulated.

00:54:12.000 They were insulated from barbarism, they were insulated from the outside world.

00:54:17.000 And so I think increasingly, as you see the country change, as you see the conditions of the country change, I think people will almost be forced into it.

00:54:25.000 I mean, you see with the press, the way they treat white people, it's almost forced many conservatives, many regular blue collar liberal people, whatever. 0.55

00:54:36.000 Into a kind of soft or an implicit embrace of white identity because simply because we've been under siege for so long and so aggressively from the top. 0.58

00:54:45.000 And so I think that for the most part, as long as we stick to our guns on this issue, that's why I don't really, I'm basically long on white identity in terms of I've never really doubted, will this ever be a big thing? 0.68

00:54:57.000 Is this maybe not a good idea right now? 0.62

00:54:59.000 Because as things change, time is really on our side.

00:55:02.000 And I think Richard has said this before, people might think, oh, this movement's going away, this movement's dying right now. 0.70

00:55:08.000 I think if you're looking at the long term, as the world changes and becomes a much more hostile place for white people, not just in this country, but around the world, I think there's nowhere else to turn for a lot of people. 0.76

00:55:20.000 We'll never get all of them, don't get me wrong, but I think we will see more and more almost naturally, like the force of gravity, people will be drawn to this movement. 0.87

00:55:30.000 Because as Robert Kaplan, as Sam Huntington talked about towards the end of the Cold War, the new world will be written along the lines of ethnicity and race.

00:55:39.000 It's not going to be about ideology and ideas and all that for very long. 0.63

00:55:43.000 Very soon you're going to see that even white people are not going to be above.

00:55:47.000 They're not going to be able to turn their noses up at that kind of identity for long because things are changing very rapidly.

00:55:55.000 Sure.

00:55:57.000 I agree that I think more and more people will have a sense of racial identity. 0.90

00:56:02.000 I think they'll be red pilled by life.

00:56:05.000 But I don't think that we're ever going to really convince everyone.

00:56:11.000 I think we should red pill elites and we should red pill people who matter.

00:56:16.000 And those people who matter change minds. 0.98

00:56:19.000 An elite who convinces others is worth a thousand or maybe even a million average Joes. 1.00

00:56:27.000 It's just simply true. 1.00

00:56:28.000 It's just simply true.

00:56:29.000 It's just simply true.

00:56:29.000 It's not fair.

00:56:31.000 But as opposed, you know, and for all of these people who oppose us, who are almost religiously devoted to destroying themselves and so on, we will force them to be free.

00:56:45.000 And I've said that before, and I absolutely believe that.

00:56:49.000 And if someone can't say that in their heart, that they will force other people to adopt our beliefs in order to build a better world and secure our future, then you shouldn't be in this movement.

00:57:00.000 Because this movement is not pure, it's not ultimately consensual.

00:57:05.000 We need to win.

00:57:06.000 It is about winning.

00:57:07.000 We should always be hailing victory and not talking about just be, oh, we are just about the truth.

00:57:15.000 Let's talk the numbers.

00:57:16.000 No, no, no.

00:57:16.000 We need to win.

00:57:18.000 And so, yeah, we will force people to be free.

00:57:22.000 The other thing I would add to this is that, and this gets to this problem that I was mentioning before, a problem to which I don't have a solution.

00:57:29.000 And that is that.

00:57:30.000 Our movement and a lot of these ideas are, you could say, have that conservative quality to them.

00:57:37.000 They are very, they're kind of middle class.

00:57:39.000 They're in that middle that's being harmed in the sense that we all talk about, well, we just need to get rid of these elites, drain the swamp, kick out the leftist, and then we'll just kind of have freedom or something in that sense.

00:57:55.000 The fact is, that's how conservatives think.

00:57:58.000 That's not how the deep state thinks.

00:58:00.000 That is not how elites think.

00:58:02.000 That is not how George Soros thinks.

00:58:04.000 That is not how people who actually change things think.

00:58:07.000 They also will force people to be free.

00:58:11.000 So we are going to, you know, this strategy that we've been pursuing of just saying like, oh, just let America be America.

00:58:17.000 Just let Americans be free.

00:58:19.000 It's all going to be fine.

00:58:21.000 If we, you know, get rid of those bad people, whatever.

00:58:24.000 I think that's ultimately a losing strategy.

00:58:26.000 I don't think that's ultimately leading somewhere.

00:58:28.000 We need to start thinking in terms of being an elite and acting like one.

00:58:33.000 And that is not always acting in a consensual manner, that is acting using power.

00:58:40.000 Yeah, well, I agree with that.

00:58:42.000 It sounds, there's almost kind of like a neo reactionary flavor to that kind of thinking in the sense that you look at the neo reactionaries and they say it's more about the, what they call the cathedral.

00:58:53.000 It's more about who sets the tone at the top than it is about convincing people that they should vote in a certain way or act in a certain way. 0.73

00:59:00.000 And to an extent, I believe that.

00:59:01.000 I don't know about this forcing people as this rejection of consent, but I do agree that.

00:59:09.000 We are going to have to become powerful.

00:59:11.000 I think, you know, when I talk about midterm elections and appropriations and that kind of thing, I mean, to an extent, it's about appropriating money.

00:59:19.000 It's about moving the lever so that we could get the things that we want.

00:59:22.000 But at the end of the day, what I talk about on my show is about getting involved in party politics, infiltrating the party, not voting in a certain way, not, you know, getting a certain job, but becoming, like you said, becoming that cadre, becoming that party apparatus.

00:59:37.000 Because you're right.

00:59:38.000 At the end of the day, you know, we could sit around and say you should vote for this candidate or that candidate, but.

00:59:44.000 If we're not the functionaries, if we're not the bureaucrats or the tastemakers or whoever it is that are carrying out our will, I think you're right.

00:59:52.000 It's almost a foregone conclusion.

00:59:54.000 And I think that's kind of how they keep us in a state of basically paralysis where the grassroots is always get out the vote.

01:00:02.000 The grassroots is always do this, do that, instead of we should be seeking those higher positions, seeking those higher levels of power, influence.

01:00:13.000 So I agree on the premise.

01:00:15.000 I agree on that kind of neo reactionary take of.

01:00:19.000 Convincing the higher ups or becoming the higher ups.

01:00:22.000 I don't know what you mean by this rejection of consent and the hailing victory.

01:00:26.000 I would have to flag that as bad optics, but for the most part, I'm on board with the premise.

01:00:31.000 Well, we got Richard to get Nick to talk about optics.

01:00:35.000 That's a great accomplishment tonight.

01:00:37.000 People in the chat are reporting that we are in the top 10 trending worldwide.

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01:00:44.000 He says, Nihilism, the root of the revolution of the modern age.

01:00:49.000 LM says, All of you. 1.00

01:00:50.000 Pagans are gonna burn in hell right next to the Jews. 1.00

01:00:54.000 The number of times I've heard that in my life. 0.99

01:00:57.000 Nick O'Brien, theocratic caste system that runs on blockchain.

01:01:01.000 Werewolf says the old beliefs will be brought back to honor again. 0.88

01:01:05.000 We will wash off the Christian veneer and bring out a religion peculiar to our race.

01:01:10.000 1488. 0.99

01:01:12.000 Talvis says Sweden is far beyond saving. 0.99

01:01:15.000 Enjoy your third word shit all. 0.99

01:01:17.000 Peter Sweden, T. Fenlon. 0.99

01:01:20.000 So, uh, I think that, that actually touches a point which is interesting to me, which is, Uh, whatever the success of the alt-right may be in the future, we will be faced with a planet being progressively conquered by Muslim populations. 0.98

01:01:35.000 That is a fact of reproduction. 0.82

01:01:37.000 It is a fact of current birth rates and it is a fact of immigration laws of multiple countries, including Sweden.

01:01:45.000 How do you two address the problem of the growing Muslim population potentially being annihilate, uh, being, uh, being hostile toward any form of white ethno-state?

01:01:57.000 Or any form of religious ethnic grouping of Catholics? 0.51

01:02:03.000 Well, it's a long problem that's been around for as long as Islam has been around, essentially. 0.71

01:02:08.000 And it's certainly not the first time we've seen a conquest of Europe by Islam.

01:02:13.000 I think the historian Bernard Lewis said that this is the third attempt and the most successful attempt so far by Islam to dominate the West, which is after the 1529 Siege of Vienna and the 1683 Siege of Vienna.

01:02:29.000 Now we're entering the third phase. 0.90

01:02:31.000 Certainly, we've seen Muslim conquest of Europe before. 1.00

01:02:34.000 Of course, you had the Moors in Spain. 1.00

01:02:36.000 You had them in the Balkans. 1.00

01:02:37.000 You had them in Sicily.

01:02:39.000 But what's different this time around, as both of you know, and I think many people know, is the demographic component.

01:02:45.000 Number one, it's happening voluntarily.

01:02:47.000 But number two, this is not just a military conquest.

01:02:50.000 It's a civilian occupation. 0.67

01:02:52.000 It's almost like how the Israeli settlements are illegal because they're putting people down, they're putting homes down. 0.78

01:02:58.000 And so what you have here is that the Muslim birth rate for Depending on the country.

01:03:03.000 In some of the countries in the Arabian Peninsula, the birth rates are seven or eight.

01:03:08.000 And for Europe, it's less than two.

01:03:09.000 In some, it's almost less than one, almost. 0.76

01:03:12.000 And so that presents probably the single greatest threat, not just to Europe, but to the world.

01:03:17.000 I mean, you see in Europe, of course, the birth rates or the fertility rates are between one and two.

01:03:22.000 But even in a country like China, the birth rate's less than two, even in countries like Japan and South Korea.

01:03:27.000 And so this is a problem around the globe.

01:03:29.000 It's going to take a serious pronatal movement.

01:03:32.000 And I think that has to be one of the ways, one of the tools or approaches or strategies that we use in our fight.

01:03:40.000 It's not going to be sufficient that.

01:03:42.000 At some point, there's going to be a military conflict with these people, but there has to be a component of demographic resistance as well.

01:03:49.000 And, you know, you look at countries around the world that are succeeding in terms of their fertility rate, where fertility rates are higher, where they're recovering, where they're going up.

01:03:58.000 You can look at countries like Poland, Russia.

01:04:01.000 Their fertility rates are growing not very fast, but they are growing.

01:04:05.000 Israel has maintained a high birth rate despite being an advanced Western country.

01:04:10.000 I use that very loosely.

01:04:12.000 And so I think you look at those three countries and what do they all have in common?

01:04:15.000 It's religious conviction.

01:04:16.000 It's national pride.

01:04:18.000 And so I think these things kind of go hand in hand.

01:04:20.000 When you talk about white identity or some kind of ethnic, religious, Catholic grouping, I think they go hand in hand that as we embrace a national consciousness, a communitarian or a collective consciousness, as opposed to an individual consciousness, I think the embrace of that almost naturally, intrinsically leads to the creation of more stable, longer term and bigger families, healthier, stronger communities. 0.75

01:04:46.000 It's going to be a real fight. 0.66

01:04:47.000 That's going to have to be a real cultural thing that's not so easy.

01:04:50.000 Unfortunately, unlike building a wall or immigration policy, where even if you have people in power who can exercise a lever to resuscitating the fertility rate, that's something that's an individual choice by many, many people.

01:05:05.000 So it's going to be a tough one, but that's fundamentally how it has to be addressed.

01:05:09.000 We have to have a serious nationalist, communitarian, pronatal movement, and to some degree, maybe even apolitical. 1.00

01:05:17.000 Yeah, I agree that we need to confront Islam. 1.00

01:05:22.000 Whereas I'm more or less tolerant with other religions, if I meet a white person who's a Buddhist, who cares? 1.00

01:05:32.000 But I'm not tolerant when it comes to Islam. 1.00

01:05:34.000 And I think Islam should be confronted. 1.00

01:05:37.000 And I think eventually Islam should be crushed. 1.00

01:05:41.000 And this is not a religion that really offers any benefit. 1.00

01:05:46.000 And what it does is that it offers that religious motivation. 0.52

01:05:51.000 To our racial enemies and towards people who are otherwise just be kind of lounging out in the desert, you know, smoking hookah and, you know, talking about just being lazy and listening to bad music. 0.51

01:06:04.000 But it gives them this fire, this religious fire, and it raises a black flag against Europe. 0.96

01:06:10.000 So, no, I have absolutely no, I have a certain admiration for Islam in the sense that it's able to do that. 1.00

01:06:16.000 But I don't think it's a good thing at all. 1.00

01:06:20.000 Of course, there is an ironic component to this, you know, in.

01:06:24.000 Michel Welbeck's book, Sumission, Submission.

01:06:30.000 There was this ironic aspect to the Islamic conquest where all of these white nationalists effectively saw a certain virtue in Islamic conquest in the sense that they achieved a white sharia, I guess you could say, and were able to generate a greater birth rate and bring about a certain order. 0.66

01:06:51.000 But that's about all I would say good about Islam.

01:06:55.000 I think it's worthwhile talking about why. 0.99

01:06:58.000 The so called anti jihadist movement has failed.

01:07:02.000 And this is something that's been going on, you know, when Nick was a teenager.

01:07:06.000 I remember it well.

01:07:06.000 It was coming about right after 9 11.

01:07:10.000 So I guess it was going on when you were five or whatever.

01:07:17.000 But I was in college.

01:07:17.000 Wow.

01:07:17.000 Yeah.

01:07:19.000 But yeah, so there was this anti jihadist movement.

01:07:25.000 There were some people like Sergei Trifkovich who were part of it that were, whom I admire.

01:07:30.000 There were others, you know, Gates of Vienna.

01:07:33.000 There was, I think, a person named Bauman or something who's a kind of American Jew living in Europe. 0.50

01:07:39.000 They're all. 0.98

01:07:40.000 Garrett Wilders is all about this, Pym for Town, this kind of interesting gay politician who was murdered.

01:07:48.000 An interesting bunch. 1.00

01:07:49.000 But why they all failed is that they opposed liberalism to Islam.

01:07:56.000 So their criticism of Islam was ultimately it's bad for women.

01:08:02.000 And what would this do to our economies? 0.99

01:08:05.000 And oh my God, look, they're killing gays or whatever. 0.98

01:08:08.000 And look, don't get me wrong, I really did not like the white Sharia meme. 0.98

01:08:14.000 Thankfully, that is over. 0.99

01:08:19.000 I don't want to throw women into the kitchen and so on. 0.99

01:08:24.000 I'm not someone that's cruel. 0.93

01:08:26.000 Generally speaking, if someone happens to be gay, I don't think they should be in leadership of our movement. 1.00

01:08:33.000 But I'm not going to, who cares? 1.00

01:08:37.000 But that's my feelings.

01:08:40.000 I am a tolerant person when it comes to a lot of these questions. 0.63

01:08:44.000 But the fact is, We can't, so I agree with the liberals, but we can't use liberalism against Islam. 0.95

01:08:51.000 Liberalism will fail because it is soulless and emotionless and just ultimately it's a means, not an end. 0.98

01:09:00.000 Islam has an end in mind. 0.82

01:09:03.000 And so I do think that this is why, getting back to my spiritual talk before, we need to create a spiritual value to our race, which is more radical than Islam. 0.88

01:09:19.000 We don't need to oppose Islam with like skepticism or liberalism or rights or whatever. 0.90

01:09:25.000 We need to have a religion that is far more fanatical than Islam. 0.99

01:09:30.000 It must make Islam seem like liberalism in comparison. 0.99

01:09:35.000 Its ideals are so radical, so demanding of every human being who becomes a part of it. 1.00

01:09:42.000 We need that level of a spiritual awakening in order to ultimately confront the Muslims. 1.00

01:09:48.000 And on an earlier point made by Nick, I think that. 1.00

01:09:52.000 Other than, than ideological conviction, one mechanism by which evolution can lead to higher birth rates and can lead to people to defend their own existence is merely time.

01:10:04.000 If we had let time to Western civilization without replacing their genes through waves of immigration, only 100 years or 200 years is enough to go through enough generation that people self-select out of the reproductive line and they get replaced by people who are maybe a little more fanatical about their own existence and about baby making.

01:10:24.000 Beyond just the cultural things that we could have done, just led the times for the natural mechanism of biology to occur. 0.86

01:10:34.000 There's an interesting book, and it's actually an article called The Religious Shall Inherit the Earth.

01:10:39.000 It was written by an interesting Jew.

01:10:42.000 His name is Kaufman.

01:10:43.000 He actually wrote another book on the fall of the wasp elite.

01:10:47.000 But it is a problem for some of these people who think that the world would be more secular and so on.

01:10:58.000 You know, again, no, those people who have the most babies are going to win.

01:11:03.000 Now, I'll just say this.

01:11:05.000 I'm not too enthusiastic about a world dominated by the current religious right or something where we would all be going to these goofy mega churches in pajamas and rocking out to Jesus and dropping our kids off in the Starbucks within the church or something and talking about how we love W. Bush or whatever.

01:11:24.000 I'm rather horrified by that prospect. 0.77

01:11:26.000 I have to admit, I feel more at home in a Whole Foods or a Or a Swipple like place than I do in the megachurch. 0.98

01:11:39.000 So I do think that we need a new religion, itself has to be transformed. 0.99

01:11:44.000 And this current thing that we have is not inadequate, and it would be an aesthetic disaster.

01:11:50.000 I mean, the current megachurches aren't going to have an art collection like the Vatican, to say the least.

01:11:58.000 They would have millions of those funny paintings.

01:12:01.000 Who is that guy, the painter of light, with all these little cabins in the woods that are.

01:12:05.000 Not that we're. 0.51

01:12:08.000 Anyway, we do need to transform religion, but I don't disagree at all that the religious will inherit the earth and that we are seeing a kind of, I mean, for better and for worse. 0.97

01:12:19.000 Again, I'm a swivel in a way myself. 0.98

01:12:24.000 For better and for worse.

01:12:25.000 Personally, I'm pursuing a separate goal, which has basically a 99% chance of failing, but it is to develop a philosophical approach of a form of secularist thinking that does not impede your baby production.

01:12:39.000 But I'm telling you guys, don't rely on me.

01:12:42.000 It's just an attempt.

01:12:43.000 I'm just an atheist stuck in my own body as an atheist.

01:12:47.000 And so I'm thinking maybe there's a hope.

01:12:49.000 Nathan Dendiger, $10 says, For a long time follower, what sort of things should I begin to study if I or anyone like me would like to help promote the movement on a local level?

01:13:01.000 Books or anything of the sort?

01:13:06.000 Well, on the local level, I don't really think you need to read books to connect with people on a local level.

01:13:12.000 You know, I always Preach on my show that the best thing for our people to do is maybe not read so many books, but simply just to live a reasonable life in an unreasonable time, which is to say, go to church, go to the local PTA meeting, have a family, talk to your neighbors.

01:13:29.000 It's going to happen.

01:13:30.000 We're going to create these connections, I think, in a lot of ways from the ground up.

01:13:34.000 You want to have this high trust society, you want to have this kind of a movement.

01:13:38.000 I think it happens person by person.

01:13:40.000 But I mean, just to talk about anything that you want to study in terms of how you could benefit what we're trying to do.

01:13:46.000 Richard probably would be a better person to ask than me.

01:13:48.000 He went to school.

01:13:49.000 I didn't.

01:13:51.000 And he has a little bit more time, a lot more time on me to read.

01:13:54.000 But I have a book list on my website.

01:13:57.000 And it's the usual suspects.

01:13:58.000 It's a pretty basic list.

01:14:00.000 But I think if you want to read about community in particular, there's no better book than Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam.

01:14:06.000 That's the best one.

01:14:07.000 Who Are We?

01:14:08.000 I actually have this one right on my desk here.

01:14:10.000 Sam Huntington, Who Are We?

01:14:12.000 This is a fantastic book about American identity.

01:14:15.000 The Bible is always, comes highly recommended.

01:14:18.000 Anything by Chesterton, Lewis, Augustine or Aquinas, those are my top recommended.

01:14:24.000 But I know Richard's a bibliophile as well.

01:14:28.000 Well, you know, I have to say, I read less books now, and I was thinking about that.

01:14:34.000 And I think, to some degree, you know, when I was in graduate school and so on, I was a monk and I, you know, read tons of stuff and things like that.

01:14:44.000 I almost feel like I did that work and now I can do more.

01:14:46.000 And I think, sadly, I think all this Twitter and live streaming is taking up my mind space as opposed to reading, you know.

01:14:54.000 For better and for worse, maybe for worse, but I need to get back into it.

01:14:57.000 And I need to write my book, to be honest.

01:15:01.000 Many people have been scolding me, rightfully scolding me about that.

01:15:05.000 It's amazing because I've been also writing a book for seven years, and YouTube just takes up so much of intellectual time today.

01:15:13.000 It will be a very different intellectual heritage that we will leave to humanity compared to our predecessors.

01:15:19.000 But I don't think it's always bad.

01:15:22.000 I don't think it's always bad as well.

01:15:24.000 I mean, I was about to say that I'm obviously taking a major break from activism.

01:15:31.000 You know, activism is not.

01:15:33.000 Going forward at this point, again, for better and for worse.

01:15:37.000 And I need to do my own work.

01:15:39.000 But remember, books will be read by dozens of people.

01:15:44.000 They'll be hundreds, maybe thousands.

01:15:47.000 I think a much better use of my time is to find that synthesis between high and low where you can create an amazing video message that speaks to the people on the top, but also kind of reaches people on a visceral level.

01:16:04.000 Too.

01:16:04.000 And I think that is actually the ultimate way of doing it.

01:16:07.000 Now, that's going to probably coincide with a book and longer articles, but that is a better way of reaching people. 1.00

01:16:15.000 But in terms of intellectuals and so on, if you're the big brained Nibba, I would start with On the Genealogy of Morals. 1.00

01:16:28.000 Very good place to start. 1.00

01:16:30.000 Very awesome book.

01:16:32.000 John Vance says read Max Turner, Ego and His Own.

01:16:35.000 And maybe we can end with a question and then final thoughts because.

01:16:39.000 I believe, Nick, you have a podcast very soon on your channel.

01:16:42.000 I invite everyone to subscribe both to Richard and Nick.

01:16:47.000 There were several super chats asking for this.

01:16:50.000 Would Nick Fuentes, with his Hispanic heritage, be in Richard Spencer's white ethno state?

01:16:59.000 Would he be accepted?

01:17:02.000 What?

01:17:03.000 You mean he's not 100% Bavarian phenotype?

01:17:07.000 No, no. 0.99

01:17:10.000 Of course he would.

01:17:12.000 All right.

01:17:13.000 See, I needed the mark of approval because people give me a hard time about it.

01:17:17.000 But I see, I'm not ashamed of my native heritage.

01:17:24.000 I always tell people I am uniquely American.

01:17:27.000 I am uniquely have a right to claim to be American because I am at home with the soil.

01:17:33.000 The 15% native is really in touch with the land and the soil.

01:17:38.000 But then I have the 85% that conqueror spirit. 1.00

01:17:42.000 And the 2% African allows me to say the N word. 1.00

01:17:45.000 So I really have the best of all worlds. 1.00

01:17:49.000 All right.

01:17:49.000 So before.

01:17:51.000 What it means to be white, you know, it is a broad definition.

01:17:55.000 I have a broad definition. 0.53

01:17:56.000 And yeah, it is a big family.

01:18:00.000 I don't think we should get obsessed about, you know, are the Spanish white or, you know, it's just, we should have a sense of these are our brothers and our cousins.

01:18:11.000 It's a bigger family.

01:18:13.000 Yeah, we kind of need them. 1.00

01:18:14.000 A Nordic ethnostate, I mean, that would get a bit boring. 1.00

01:18:21.000 Personally, I love the idea. 1.00

01:18:23.000 But I'm thinking about the Nordic woman then. 0.80

01:18:26.000 For those who want to know the genetic details about what is white, my video is called What is White, and I show that you can divide it however you want. 0.69

01:18:35.000 The genetics are so precise that you can draw the boundary where you want. 0.91

01:18:42.000 It's not white versus non white. 0.78

01:18:44.000 There's a continuum of differentiation between.

01:18:47.000 People of European descent, and it's ultimately an arbitrary question where you draw the line, but it's not so important where you draw the line.

01:18:56.000 So, I'd like to hear your final thoughts before we conclude, starting with Richard.

01:19:02.000 Well, this has been a great discussion.

01:19:05.000 I don't think there's much more to be said.

01:19:09.000 I actually think, in this just hour and a half that we're talking, I think that our audience really got a very strong sense of where I'm coming from.

01:19:17.000 I was able to throw out a number of ideas and just kind of dip my toe in them.

01:19:24.000 But I think that I've communicated them to the audience.

01:19:27.000 And this is a great discussion.

01:19:28.000 I'd certainly do it again.

01:19:29.000 I'm glad you have this, Joe.

01:19:30.000 This is going to be fun going forward.

01:19:33.000 Thanks for coming.

01:19:34.000 And Nick?

01:19:36.000 Yeah, basically the same.

01:19:38.000 Thanks to Richard for joining us, and thanks to JF for having us on the show.

01:19:42.000 It's been a great program so far.

01:19:45.000 I know things have been a little bit messy on Blood Sports because of the eternal thought causing problems, but it looks like it's working out well for both parties.

01:19:55.000 And I wish you the best of luck.

01:19:57.000 This has been a great show, a great discussion.

01:20:00.000 I know you've been having.

01:20:01.000 A pretty great week with a lot of great guests and great shows.

01:20:06.000 So, a great time had by all.

01:20:08.000 Big fan and wish you luck in the future.

01:20:10.000 Nick, are you telling me that you believe Bloodsports have failed because Aaron ate the apple?

01:20:17.000 I think, yes, no, she didn't eat the apple.

01:20:19.000 She encouraged, well, she did, but then she encouraged Baked Alaska to eat the apple.

01:20:24.000 He's Adam and we are all being punished for his original sin.

01:20:29.000 All right.

01:20:30.000 To both of you, thank you for coming.

01:20:31.000 It was an amazing discussion.

01:20:33.000 And to our audience, I'm still working on the Outro Music.

01:20:36.000 But I will leave you with our little intro music.

01:20:39.000 Bye bye.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - May 02, 2018

The State of Identity - Richard Spencer and Nick Fuentes, TPS #5

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