America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Theocracy First (Call-In) | America First Ep. 195

00:00:01.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:02.000 You are watching America First.

00:00:04.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:00:05.000 We've got a great show for you tonight.

00:00:08.000 It is a Friday, a casual Friday, so we're having fun.

00:00:11.000 We're just chilling on this episode.

00:00:13.000 It's been a pretty busy week.

00:00:15.000 Fourth of July plans for a lot of you, I'm sure.

00:00:18.000 Certainly that was the case for me.

00:00:19.000 We did a couple of big shows.

00:00:22.000 And so tonight we're bringing it in for a landing this week.

00:00:24.000 Very mellow, very, very chill.

00:00:27.000 Casual is the name of the game.

00:00:29.000 No tie tonight, so it is casual.

00:00:32.000 And we're doing a call in, so be sure to join into the Discord.

00:00:35.000 I posted a couple of links in the live chat.

00:00:38.000 I'll do that again right now for you so you can get in the lobby for the call in show.

00:00:43.000 But we are very excited.

00:00:46.000 It's been exactly a week since our last call in show, so I know the last one was a long time coming.

00:00:51.000 This one is just a regular call in show, so just be sure to get in the lobby.

00:00:56.000 And we'll have a little fun.

00:00:57.000 We'll have a little interface between your favorite host and the masses and the unwashed masses.

00:01:03.000 So it should be.

00:01:04.000 Should be a lot of fun.

00:01:06.000 But it's been a pretty nice couple of days.

00:01:08.000 We had a great show last night with Mr. Vince from the Red Elephants.

00:01:13.000 He came on and we discussed the demographic situation.

00:01:16.000 Very, very good show.

00:01:18.000 And I'm very proud and encouraged that the direction we're going on with this show, with a lot of the guests that are coming on, I think we're starting to see the beginning of a new movement here.

00:01:27.000 And I hesitate to say that it's a movement, I hesitate to give it a name or anything like that or even to talk about it too much.

00:01:34.000 But, you know, I think we see that.

00:01:36.000 Whoops, did I mess up my audio there?

00:01:38.000 Are we still good?

00:01:39.000 I think that with a lot of the people that we see that have survived the last year on the dissident right, that have kind of come out unscathed from the censorship and from, you know, certain other events, let's call them, certain other events, I think you're seeing that the people that have survived have the right ideas, the right principles, but also are pragmatic, also are persuasive.

00:02:02.000 And so I'm very encouraged by what we're seeing.

00:02:04.000 We got Vince on the show.

00:02:05.000 We've got Faith, Jira Taylor, some others will be joining us in the next few weeks.

00:02:10.000 And so.

00:02:11.000 I'm very excited by what we're seeing.

00:02:12.000 So it's been pretty cool.

00:02:14.000 Last night there was a big Trump rally as well.

00:02:17.000 I don't know if you saw that, but last night's rally was pretty epic.

00:02:21.000 You know, I didn't get a chance to talk about it because we had Vince on last night, but holy smokes, it was like a campaign rally.

00:02:29.000 I feel like the presidential rallies have been kind of hit or miss.

00:02:33.000 I mean, don't get me wrong, I like all of them because I like the president on a deep personal level.

00:02:38.000 But I feel like a lot of the presidential rallies, they get a little bit, some of them can get repetitive because they're stump speeches.

00:02:45.000 You know, I mean, the purpose of the rally is to campaign for a given senator or a congressman.

00:02:52.000 So, you know, you see the same talking points here and there.

00:02:55.000 But every now and then you'll have a rally where it's just, it reminds you of the good old days, where it's a little bit overcharged, it's high energy, it's insults thrown around.

00:03:04.000 So he really had the spirit of the Fourth of July last night.

00:03:07.000 Very good stuff.

00:03:08.000 Calling Maxine Waters.

00:03:10.000 This is pretty good stuff.

00:03:11.000 He called Maxine Waters low IQ, said she was in the mid 60s, which, if you've ever seen any of the maps for IQ statistics, it's oddly specific, right?

00:03:21.000 And then he said that he would throw a 23andMe kit at Elizabeth Warren.

00:03:26.000 I was pretty rich.

00:03:28.000 And then he made fun of the Me Too movement in the same sentence. 0.73

00:03:31.000 Classic, Don.

00:03:32.000 Our lighting's a little bit jazzed up here.

00:03:34.000 I feel like we're in Spider Man 3.

00:03:37.000 I feel like the lighting the way it is, it feels like when Spider Man had the venom in him and then he started doing the weird dance and the suit turned black.

00:03:47.000 Maybe it's because I'm wearing a gray suit and I got the gray shirt and I don't know.

00:03:51.000 The lighting's a little funky here.

00:03:53.000 So, hopefully, that fixes it up a little.

00:03:56.000 The problem is the desk is very reflective.

00:03:58.000 I didn't think that would happen.

00:03:59.000 I went to Ikea.

00:04:00.000 I didn't buy a desk there because all the desks had big LED lights shining down and the reflecting was bad.

00:04:06.000 And I said, Well, that's not going to work because I have big lights.

00:04:09.000 But this desk does the same thing.

00:04:10.000 What do you do about that?

00:04:13.000 Flag almost came down.

00:04:13.000 What do you do about that?

00:04:15.000 What do you do about light shining off of?

00:04:17.000 I mean, there's not.

00:04:17.000 What do you do?

00:04:19.000 So we'll see.

00:04:19.000 I don't know.

00:04:21.000 I'm going to get the headphones on.

00:04:23.000 I've been stalling so I don't have to get the dreaded headset on because it really pains my ears.

00:04:31.000 But, you know, you got to do what you got to do.

00:04:34.000 And the other thing is, if I don't have the microphone here, then I don't hear myself.

00:04:37.000 And I don't like to have it in my face, but otherwise it sounds goofy.

00:04:40.000 So let's see.

00:04:41.000 Why don't we bring in our first guest here?

00:04:43.000 I'm going to turn on our audio for people, and we'll start dragging people in. 1.00

00:04:48.000 Let's bring in Sharia LaBeouf. 0.94

00:04:52.000 Oh, whoops.

00:04:54.000 I'm muted.

00:04:55.000 There we go.

00:04:55.000 I think I'm good now.

00:04:56.000 What's going on, Sharia? 1.00

00:04:59.000 Hey, Nick. 1.00

00:05:00.000 What's going on, buddy?

00:05:01.000 Nothing much, man.

00:05:01.000 What's up with you?

00:05:03.000 Let me pause the feed.

00:05:03.000 Hold on.

00:05:05.000 Hey, buddy, how's it going?

00:05:08.000 Good, good.

00:05:09.000 You know, it's Friday, so I'm a little bit relieved.

00:05:09.000 It's going well.

00:05:12.000 It's been a long week, a lot of work.

00:05:14.000 So, you know, yeah, you've had a lot of guests and stuff, man.

00:05:17.000 You've been putting out the content.

00:05:20.000 I've been trying.

00:05:21.000 I've been trying.

00:05:21.000 I've been.

00:05:22.000 Content kitchen must be steamy, dude.

00:05:25.000 Oh, there's stuff everywhere ingredients and bowls and pans.

00:05:30.000 It's been a grind.

00:05:31.000 But what have you been up to?

00:05:32.000 I see that you're back on Twitter after you got shut down a little bit.

00:05:35.000 What's been going on with you?

00:05:37.000 Yeah, man.

00:05:38.000 Isn't it funny how I got shut down?

00:05:40.000 Yeah, very curious.

00:05:41.000 You and some others, too, right?

00:05:43.000 I think Spicky from the Ryan show and Gail.

00:05:47.000 And Bryden, who's been on your show a couple times.

00:05:51.000 Yeah, it seems like there's this weird group of people that really like Paul Nealon that really don't like people that criticize him.

00:05:59.000 It's kind of weird.

00:06:00.000 Yeah, very strange.

00:06:01.000 Very strange.

00:06:02.000 And yeah, no, I have seen that, though.

00:06:04.000 Paul Nealon's back on Twitter.

00:06:06.000 What do you make of that?

00:06:06.000 What's the strategy here?

00:06:08.000 Well, what I make of it is it appears the man has had a midlife crisis pretty hard, and he's maybe been having illicit relationships.

00:06:19.000 I hate to make these accusations so haphazardly, but it seems that the person whose account he took may have been sleeping with him a little bit.

00:06:34.000 America first. 0.53

00:06:34.000 Interesting. 0.53

00:06:36.000 I don't like the traffic and rumors, but that would be interesting, I will say.

00:06:41.000 I don't like traffic and rumors either, and I can't prove any of this, obviously.

00:06:46.000 Somebody probably can, though.

00:06:49.000 But yeah, it's just, it's been funny.

00:06:52.000 It's been one of those weeks.

00:06:54.000 It's, yeah, it's the right attacking the right, which is fun, which is always fun.

00:07:02.000 Which, I mean, obviously, like Ricky Vaughn getting doxxed, like these people who are weird and ineffective and kind of ghettoize themselves into like this weird gab ghetto.

00:07:16.000 When people stop taking them seriously, they seem to lash out at more normal people.

00:07:22.000 It's kind of unfortunate.

00:07:23.000 It's sad to me.

00:07:25.000 I see these characters, Neil and Little, and like, honest to goodness, I really feel sorry.

00:07:31.000 I pity them.

00:07:32.000 I think people have it in mind that I've got this hatred or this animus.

00:07:38.000 I just feel kind of sorry because these are obviously very sad, unfortunate characters who need some help.

00:07:44.000 Patrick Little in particular.

00:07:46.000 You know, people send me clips of him all the time where, I mean, it's very clear that something is wrong there.

00:07:52.000 Something is really wrong there.

00:07:53.000 And the same, I think, is true with Paul Nealon as well.

00:07:56.000 So it's just kind of sad.

00:07:58.000 Did you see that?

00:07:59.000 Did you see that recent little post where it was like, I'm at?

00:08:01.000 I think he was going to Vegas or something.

00:08:03.000 He took like a little road trip to Vegas and he's like, Oh, like I'm at the club.

00:08:07.000 How should I name the left handed people here tonight?

00:08:12.000 And it's just like, dude, really?

00:08:14.000 Like, I just, uh.

00:08:17.000 Somebody send me that video with Chewbacca.

00:08:19.000 Did you see that?

00:08:20.000 No, I haven't seen that.

00:08:21.000 He went up to some guy.

00:08:23.000 I will.

00:08:23.000 He goes up to some guy who's like, I don't know if this was in Vegas, if you say he was in Vegas, but.

00:08:29.000 You know those people that dress up in costumes and you take pictures?

00:08:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:32.000 So he goes up to some guy who's in a Chewbacca costume and a stormtrooper.

00:08:36.000 And so the guy, he's like, oh, can we get a picture in the spirit of Star Wars?

00:08:40.000 And the two guys are like, yeah, great, sure.

00:08:42.000 So the guy flips the Chewbacca mask on, the stormtrooper.

00:08:45.000 Patrick's caught the lightsaber and he starts saying, oh, so you want to know a fun fact about the Holodomor?

00:08:52.000 Did you know that blah, blah, blah?

00:08:53.000 It's these genocidal left handed people, you know?

00:08:57.000 And the Chewbacca guy was like, whoa, hey, man, we're not a part of this.

00:09:01.000 And I was like, Of course he was because he's a sane human being.

00:09:06.000 Like, look at man, like, I mean, we know what we know, it is what it is, and whatever.

00:09:10.000 Like, I loved your conversation last night with Vince and everything.

00:09:13.000 Like, I mean, there's a way to go about things, right?

00:09:19.000 That aside, one thing I wanted to ask you about, like, let's get out of the alt right.

00:09:24.000 Right.

00:09:24.000 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:09:25.000 What's on your mind?

00:09:25.000 Yeah.

00:09:27.000 I just listened to a podcast recently and I hadn't known this movie had come out.

00:09:31.000 But if you heard of the new Martin Scorsese movie, Silence, Yeah, that was a couple of years ago about missionaries in Japan, right?

00:09:41.000 Yeah, that was a couple of years ago.

00:09:44.000 How have I not heard of this movie yet?

00:09:46.000 I think it was like a limited release thing.

00:09:48.000 No, I've been meaning to for a long time, but I remember it didn't get a lot of.

00:09:52.000 It wasn't like a blockbuster or anything, but.

00:09:55.000 I was a little starved for content because, to a little bit of confession here, I have not re upped.

00:10:02.000 Like, since the other one got shut down, I still got to start paying you your money per month again to get the other content.

00:10:07.000 It's all right.

00:10:08.000 So, I was a little bit sorry for content, and I was listening to a movie review about it with your future debate adversary, Greg Johnson, and they were talking about it.

00:10:17.000 And it sounds like a really excellently Catholic movie, though.

00:10:24.000 And I'm really excited to see it.

00:10:25.000 I actually might buy it on Amazon tonight and watch it.

00:10:28.000 I might do.

00:10:29.000 Nay, that's not a bad idea.

00:10:31.000 I might give that a go as well.

00:10:33.000 It's missionaries in Japan.

00:10:35.000 Yeah.

00:10:36.000 I listened to them describe the whole plot.

00:10:37.000 Unfortunately, like, I mean, there's no spoil.

00:10:41.000 Like, I mean, it's been spoiled for me, but it sounds good enough.

00:10:45.000 And I mean, it's Scorsese, so I think I'm going to watch it anyway.

00:10:48.000 Highly recommend.

00:10:48.000 Yeah.

00:10:49.000 Highly recommend.

00:10:50.000 It sounds like a good, wholesome Catholic film.

00:10:53.000 Yeah, I'll check it out.

00:10:54.000 I was meaning to see that one as well.

00:10:57.000 But like I said, it was never like a big blockbuster or anything.

00:11:00.000 So I think a lot of people missed it.

00:11:01.000 A lot of people sleep on it.

00:11:02.000 So yeah, I may check that one out as well.

00:11:04.000 Thanks for the wreck.

00:11:05.000 Yeah, no problem.

00:11:07.000 Kanye West's Love, Kanye West's Life.

00:11:11.000 Get with some of the other people in the chat later, bud.

00:11:14.000 All right, take it easy.

00:11:15.000 See ya.

00:11:16.000 Bye. 1.00

00:11:17.000 Good old Sharia. 1.00

00:11:18.000 We love our buddy.

00:11:19.000 We love our buddy Sharia LaBeouf.

00:11:22.000 You know, I met him at American Renaissance.

00:11:22.000 Good fella.

00:11:24.000 He's a very solid guy.

00:11:27.000 Good friend.

00:11:28.000 You meet a lot of cool people on the internet.

00:11:31.000 Why don't we bring in non disjunction?

00:11:31.000 Let's see.

00:11:36.000 Let's see what that's all about.

00:11:38.000 What's going on?

00:11:38.000 You're on the show.

00:11:41.000 All right, and we've got the microphone muted, so that's probably not going to work.

00:11:46.000 If you're in the lobby, remember, if you're in the lobby, that means you're trying to be on the air, so be prepared.

00:11:53.000 Let's bring in Bottom of the Ninth.

00:11:55.000 He said he wants to get on.

00:11:56.000 What's going on, big guy?

00:11:58.000 And another one.

00:12:01.000 DM'd me before the show.

00:12:03.000 Can I get on the air?

00:12:06.000 Bring him in and goes right back out.

00:12:09.000 It's okay.

00:12:10.000 It's okay.

00:12:10.000 Maybe we're having tech issues.

00:12:11.000 I don't know.

00:12:12.000 Why don't we bring in Rawhide?

00:12:15.000 What's going on, Rawhide?

00:12:16.000 You there?

00:12:17.000 How's it going, big guy?

00:12:18.000 Going well, finally.

00:12:20.000 Finally, somebody.

00:12:21.000 You know, here's the thing.

00:12:22.000 And maybe if you jump back into the pool, you can tell people this.

00:12:25.000 I bring in, this happens all the time.

00:12:28.000 Three or four people, and nobody's ready to go.

00:12:31.000 If you're in the lobby and you're ready to go, don't you think you should be ready to go?

00:12:31.000 What's the deal with that?

00:12:37.000 Yeah, especially if you've been watching a few times, seeing your frustration, you should be aware of the rule.

00:12:45.000 But anyway, go ahead.

00:12:45.000 You'd think.

00:12:48.000 I'd just like to say thanks to Cassie Dillon for putting you on the map.

00:12:53.000 It's very, very important what she did.

00:12:55.000 And without her, we wouldn't have America First.

00:12:58.000 Yeah, no, it's.

00:12:58.000 Thank you for saying that.

00:12:59.000 I really think we all, everybody who watches the show, everybody who likes my content, and even the most extreme people, we really owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Cassandra Dillon for bringing this all about.

00:13:12.000 If it weren't for her, America First never would have existed.

00:13:15.000 So we always got to thank her early and often.

00:13:18.000 That's what I always say.

00:13:21.000 Yeah, she's very integral to the movement.

00:13:25.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:13:26.000 But so is that, you got anything else on your mind?

00:13:26.000 Absolutely.

00:13:29.000 You're just throwing in a big thank you for our friend.

00:13:33.000 Well, I actually wanted to ask your thoughts on the current New Zealand Prime Minister, Jacinta Arden. 1.00

00:13:40.000 To me, she embodies everything you despise because she's a woman running a country. 1.00

00:13:46.000 And she's a big feminist, too. 1.00

00:13:49.000 But recently, she gave birth to a child in office while she was serving as Prime Minister. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Yeah, I heard that.

00:13:56.000 That's not ideal, right? 0.98

00:13:59.000 No, and her husband's like this massive cuck as well.

00:14:04.000 Yeah, no, I saw that when that happened when she had the kid, and I just think to myself, like, what are you doing?

00:14:10.000 What are you trying to accomplish there?

00:14:13.000 The head of your country having a baby, you know, don't you think that if you elect somebody to lead the country and all the national affairs and all the rest, they should be a little bit more focused on the task at hand than to be having a baby? 0.92

00:14:27.000 And that's kind of the whole point of why it should be a male leader as opposed to a female leader. 0.50

00:14:32.000 I just think to myself, And this is the same when we talk about women in the military or women in the workforce, all the rest. 0.88

00:14:40.000 What is the goal?

00:14:41.000 What's the expectation?

00:14:42.000 What are you trying to get out of it?

00:14:44.000 And I look at that at something like that. 0.98

00:14:46.000 It's clown world. 0.91

00:14:46.000 It doesn't make any sense. 0.91

00:14:48.000 Well, I actually feel quite sorry for the child because their whole purpose basically is to be a political porn.

00:14:55.000 But you're trying to show off all.

00:14:57.000 People can have children in parliament.

00:14:59.000 How's that kid going to feel?

00:15:01.000 Basically, you weren't actually created for caring or love.

00:15:04.000 You're here just to.

00:15:06.000 You know, virtue signal basically.

00:15:08.000 Yep, yep.

00:15:09.000 Yeah, it's not cool.

00:15:12.000 Not cool, but hey, it's New Zealand.

00:15:13.000 That's the thing.

00:15:14.000 When it's a smaller country, they don't have as much to worry about. 0.61

00:15:17.000 If that happened in America, you know, America has to take care of business.

00:15:20.000 We have to take care of a lot of people.

00:15:22.000 But if it's New Zealand, I guess, you know, there's not as much going on.

00:15:25.000 So it's not as much of a burden.

00:15:29.000 Well, on the plus side, we had a bunch of people detained on an island.

00:15:36.000 Near Australia, because we've made it illegal to let in people who come by boat. 0.99

00:15:42.000 And they offered to take them in. 1.00

00:15:44.000 So I'm okay with New Zealand taking them in.

00:15:48.000 Great. 0.51

00:15:48.000 Yeah. 0.51

00:15:49.000 Open borders for New Zealand.

00:15:51.000 That's right. 0.98

00:15:52.000 Open borders for New Zealand.

00:15:52.000 Yeah.

00:15:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:15:53.000 If anybody wants to take the migrant load off of our shoulders, we'd be more than happy to give them the immigrants, right? 1.00

00:16:01.000 Anyway. 1.00

00:16:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:16:04.000 All the elites are going there, too.

00:16:06.000 They're all buying houses there.

00:16:07.000 So, what a better way to just give them a gift.

00:16:11.000 Send them all the.

00:16:13.000 That's right. 1.00

00:16:14.000 Get them out.

00:16:15.000 The elites and the migrants, we got to get them out. 1.00

00:16:17.000 Hey, why don't we send them all in America to, like, Barbados or something? 1.00

00:16:20.000 We'll get them all, round them up, or just maybe into the sun. 1.00

00:16:24.000 Who knows, right?

00:16:25.000 Just send them. 0.67

00:16:26.000 Yeah, we need to super superman for instead of getting the nuclear weapons, we get them all in a get them all in a throw them in there.

00:16:36.000 There you go.

00:16:37.000 All right, big guy.

00:16:38.000 Well, good luck with your country with your situation over there.

00:16:41.000 Thanks for calling in.

00:16:42.000 Take it easy.

00:16:43.000 No problem.

00:16:44.000 Take care.

00:16:44.000 All right, bye bye.

00:16:46.000 All right, well, there we go.

00:16:47.000 A brother from down under from Australia.

00:16:51.000 A lot of Australian fans.

00:16:53.000 It's kind of funny because it shows America first, but yet we have a lot of.

00:16:56.000 People from England, from Australia, from Ireland.

00:17:01.000 A lot of people dislike it from, I think, Italy, because I was looking at the metrics for this the other day, the analytics rather, on YouTube.

00:17:10.000 And there's some countries where all I get is dislikes.

00:17:13.000 And I think Italy was one of them.

00:17:16.000 And there were a few other countries, I think in Eastern Europe or the Balkans.

00:17:20.000 I'm not sure.

00:17:22.000 Let's see.

00:17:23.000 Why don't we bring in Recruit?

00:17:26.000 What's going on?

00:17:30.000 Hey, Rick, you're on the air.

00:17:33.000 Inviting me.

00:17:34.000 I just want to ask a pretty simple question.

00:17:36.000 I've been following this movement for about a year, and we have.

00:17:42.000 I wanted to ask who is putting these problems onto us?

00:17:49.000 What problems? 1.00

00:17:52.000 Like mass immigration. 0.97

00:17:57.000 So just mass immigration? 0.58

00:17:59.000 Who's putting mass immigration onto us?

00:18:01.000 Well, there's a lot of similar problems. 1.00

00:18:02.000 There's a lot of people. 1.00

00:18:03.000 We call them the rootless transnational elite. 0.94

00:18:08.000 And, you know, I know a lot of alt right people are fond of saying it is all the Jews. 0.92

00:18:13.000 And a lot of people who are not in the alt right are fond of saying it is everybody but the Jews.

00:18:18.000 But, you know, of course, the dilemma is a little bit more complicated than that.

00:18:24.000 Of course, we know that mass immigration comes to us by way of the 1965 Hart Seller Act.

00:18:29.000 And actually, if you look at the history of the law, it's very easy to rant autistically about one group of people.

00:18:34.000 But if you actually look at the content of the law, which many people do not, The provisions that have made the 1965 immigration law so disastrous was because of chain migration.

00:18:46.000 They prioritized bringing in families of immigrants as opposed to a merit based system or anything like that.

00:18:52.000 And what that was put in place originally, the intention behind that originally was to make it so that it would be more Europeans because the thought process was that if Europeans are coming in, they're already the bulk of the immigrants, they would have preference for their family as opposed to the new classes of immigrants from.

00:19:10.000 The Hispanic world, from Asia, from Africa, etc.

00:19:13.000 And so, actually, a lot of the provisions went in there with the intention of keeping immigration relatively the same composition as it was in years past.

00:19:21.000 But we know that as it was handled by the bureaucracy in future administrations, that wasn't the case.

00:19:27.000 It kind of backfired in many ways.

00:19:29.000 And originally, the people that sold the bill, people like Ted Kennedy, among others, said that it would not change immigration, it would not change who came in and how many came in.

00:19:38.000 We know that it did.

00:19:39.000 But of course, we know that the ADL, Was a big sponsor of this bill.

00:19:43.000 They were a big sponsor of this idea of a nation of immigrants.

00:19:46.000 So when you ask a question like that, who's responsible for this? 0.89

00:19:49.000 I think there's a lot of people you could put it on the shoulders of.

00:19:51.000 I think there is definitely politicians responsible, Republicans and Democrats.

00:19:57.000 You have people in the federal bureaucracy.

00:20:00.000 You have certainly people in the ADL and the SPLC.

00:20:02.000 You have certain special interest groups who, you know, and there's all kinds of ethnicities in there as well.

00:20:09.000 You have people like George W. Bush who brought in, what, 8 million immigrants in five years or something to that effect, and the evangelical voters who put him in.

00:20:17.000 So it's a little bit difficult when you say who's responsible because, you know, you have to look at where human action allowed these things to happen.

00:20:25.000 So I know what kind of answer you're going.

00:20:26.000 For.

00:20:29.000 And how does that, what do you think about all that?

00:20:31.000 What do you think?

00:20:34.000 Well, okay, now that you explained that, I want to ask why these people would want mass immigration, what they have to gain by putting these things in place.

00:20:42.000 Well, again, it depends on who we're talking about.

00:20:45.000 You look at Democrats, why do Democrats want mass immigration?

00:20:49.000 They want it because it's more voters.

00:20:50.000 Because you look at illegal immigrants, for example, and when Democrats want to give them citizenship in a state like California or in a state like Texas, Illegal immigrants, one out of 20 go for Republicans. 0.69

00:21:05.000 What do 19 out of 20 go for? 0.61

00:21:07.000 Not Republicans. 0.73

00:21:07.000 So that's why Democrats want them. 0.73

00:21:09.000 And then you look at first generation legal Hispanic immigrants, and they go one out of 10 for Republicans. 1.00

00:21:14.000 So, I mean, that's a big reason why the Democrats like it. 0.99

00:21:17.000 You look at why the special interests want mass immigration, it's because it's cheap labor.

00:21:21.000 When you look at NAFTA, when you look at the free trade agreements and all the rest, you can hire very cheap labor all around the world, or you can import cheap labor in the United States.

00:21:31.000 Do it in the United States for below minimum wage with little to no regulations.

00:21:36.000 It's off the books.

00:21:37.000 So, you know, there's a lot of reasons why it's lucrative for them to do it that way.

00:21:42.000 So, they like to bring in cheap labor for that reason. 0.99

00:21:44.000 And then you look at why there's a Jewish interest in bringing in mass immigration. 0.71

00:21:48.000 And there is a sizable Jewish lobby that has pushed for mass immigration.

00:21:53.000 And in my opinion, you see this in Europe as well. 0.74

00:21:55.000 The reason being is because Jews are an urban, cosmopolitan people, they're a foreign people, and they see themselves as a foreign people. 0.98

00:22:05.000 You know, obviously, they don't assimilate.

00:22:07.000 They don't like to assimilate because they have a long culture that is ethnic and religious and cultural that they want to keep and they want to protect.

00:22:15.000 And so I think that they see it.

00:22:18.000 And this is not all of them, but this is a lot of them in certain positions of influence and power.

00:22:23.000 I think they see it that if a country does not have an identity anchored around ethnicity and race, well, then it's far easier for them to get along in a country like that.

00:22:32.000 So that's why the earliest proponents of anti racism and the like.

00:22:36.000 In the 60s and 70s, they were Jewish because they thought that if we pushed this anti racist stuff, well, the anti anti Semitism stuff would kind of go along with it. 0.85

00:22:46.000 And so I think that's a big reason why you see that as well.

00:22:49.000 But it's a number of groups.

00:22:51.000 And so I think the problem is not so much, well, to me, the problem is that people don't recognize it's a comprehensive situation.

00:22:59.000 I think everybody doesn't really have the right idea.

00:23:01.000 Some people are skittish, they don't want to say there's a certain group that's involved.

00:23:06.000 And then there are some people that say, well, it's extremely one dimensional, it's only one group involved.

00:23:11.000 But the truth is that there's a confluence of interests among the elites that have produced this trend.

00:23:17.000 And so it's not so simple as to say, well, it's one thing or the other thing.

00:23:21.000 It's Soros or it's this or it's that.

00:23:23.000 So I'd say that's why the various groups want to see mass immigration in the country.

00:23:30.000 Okay, one more quick question following up that.

00:23:32.000 Another, a third question.

00:23:36.000 Yeah, what do you got?

00:23:40.000 Well, we don't know what their intentions are, right?

00:23:44.000 I mean, we can't read minds.

00:23:45.000 It depends.

00:23:46.000 I mean, certainly you could read some writers.

00:23:49.000 You could read Hooten, you know, the Hooten Plan.

00:23:51.000 You could read the Kalergi plan.

00:23:52.000 And I think there's a certain element of vindictiveness on the part of some people.

00:23:57.000 And certainly with Democrats, you see there's a certain amount of vindictiveness against white people.

00:24:01.000 You see white liberals, that's the case.

00:24:04.000 I think George H.W. Bush, I think George W. Bush, the Clintons, I think they have a certain vindictiveness against the American people.

00:24:13.000 So I think there's a lot of intentions behind a lot of different things.

00:24:16.000 Certainly there are do gooders.

00:24:18.000 You know, Jared Taylor, for example, came on and said that.

00:24:21.000 Angela Merkel, he thinks, probably believes, is doing the right thing.

00:24:25.000 She believes she's doing the right thing.

00:24:27.000 So I think there's a lot of different intentions, but not so one dimensional.

00:24:32.000 I don't subscribe to the idea that there's, you know, they're out to get us and they're all working together and it's this conspiracy for a thousand years.

00:24:40.000 I don't really subscribe to that so much as I subscribe to the idea that it's a confluence of various interests on the part of corporations, banks, elites, and all the rest to produce something.

00:24:52.000 And it's not good for the country.

00:24:57.000 Good?

00:25:02.000 And he just takes off.

00:25:03.000 Very rude.

00:25:05.000 Very rude caller, but we know what the expectation was there.

00:25:08.000 I think we have maybe some kind of a hater, obviously, a low IQ kind of a person who wants to come in and they try and get you with the gotcha question.

00:25:17.000 He won't say this or he'll say that.

00:25:20.000 But.

00:25:21.000 You know, that's the problem when you introduce ideas that are supposed to be high IQ, but then very low IQ people start to hear them or read them.

00:25:29.000 And you have the Dunning Kruger.

00:25:31.000 I hesitate to say that.

00:25:32.000 It's kind of cliched at this point, but I mean, that is what it is.

00:25:36.000 Why don't we bring in, let's bring in, let's bring in Tim Tam or Tanya, I'm sorry.

00:25:43.000 Tanya.

00:25:44.000 Nope.

00:25:45.000 She just left. 0.93

00:25:46.000 No, Tanya.

00:25:47.000 I was hoping for a little thought patrol.

00:25:50.000 What's going on, Tim Tam?

00:25:52.000 Hello?

00:25:52.000 Nothing, Miss Gillis.

00:25:53.000 How are you?

00:25:54.000 I'm all right.

00:25:55.000 How are you?

00:25:56.000 I'm pretty good.

00:25:58.000 Good, mate.

00:25:59.000 So, what's on your mind?

00:26:01.000 A few things, actually.

00:26:03.000 Number one would be what a lot of people are asking me is why do you not want to debate Leo?

00:26:09.000 Because he's not popular enough?

00:26:11.000 Yeah, he doesn't have any clout.

00:26:13.000 That's kind of dewy, don't you think?

00:26:17.000 No.

00:26:18.000 No, I have a channel, and I like to have people to debate, but I like to have people to debate so that it'll be.

00:26:25.000 A big event and people will watch it.

00:26:27.000 And, you know, somebody who, because they've demonstrated their ability to articulate ideas and ideas that are well thought out, has an audience.

00:26:36.000 If you don't have that, I, you know, if I debated everybody who got 20 views on their videos, if I debated everybody who had like 20 followers on Twitter, that would be unsustainable for many reasons.

00:26:48.000 Don't you agree? 0.72

00:26:49.000 Or do you think that's quote unquote Jewy? 0.98

00:26:52.000 I mean, tell me.

00:26:53.000 Well, Leo, a lot of people like Leo.

00:26:59.000 Have you spoken to Leo?

00:27:00.000 No.

00:27:02.000 Well, he's a very interesting person to talk to.

00:27:02.000 Oh.

00:27:06.000 I'm sure there are many interesting people in the world.

00:27:08.000 I can't have all of them on my show.

00:27:11.000 Well, you can try.

00:27:13.000 No.

00:27:14.000 I'm not in the business of trying to give everybody a platform.

00:27:17.000 I'm in the business of having a successful show.

00:27:22.000 But, you know, you come in here and, you know, you want to boost your guy.

00:27:27.000 I guess I get it.

00:27:28.000 But, I mean, you know, it doesn't make any sense.

00:27:30.000 You know. 0.96

00:27:31.000 You know, this is silly.

00:27:35.000 You have no idea how many people are messaging me right now on your Kelly Kids. 0.99

00:27:39.000 Fucking hilarious. 0.96

00:27:41.000 Well, you know, that's what happens, I guess. 0.98

00:27:45.000 But is that all you got on your mind?

00:27:47.000 I really want you to talk to Leo.

00:27:51.000 Just talk to him.

00:27:52.000 Yeah, alright.

00:27:53.000 Well, tell him to get a little bit more clout and then we'll get him on the show.

00:27:58.000 He had a bit of followers and all that.

00:28:01.000 Tell him to call in.

00:28:04.000 Would you let him on?

00:28:05.000 Sure.

00:28:07.000 Okay.

00:28:08.000 I do the call in shows every Friday for that purpose.

00:28:13.000 Fair enough.

00:28:15.000 Good.

00:28:15.000 So, anyway, why do you reckon cities are left wing?

00:28:19.000 Why?

00:28:20.000 Oh, that's actually interesting that you asked this question.

00:28:22.000 I was actually just discussing this with a lot of my friends earlier this morning.

00:28:26.000 A lot of synchronicity these days, very weird.

00:28:29.000 But, I mean, you look at a city, and city life naturally lends itself to liberal values in the sense that if you compare city life to rural life, when you're out on a farm, for example, what are the virtues of daily life?

00:28:46.000 You have to be self reliant, you have to be physically strong.

00:28:50.000 You have to be disciplined.

00:28:52.000 You have to be independent.

00:28:53.000 You have to be traditional in a lot of ways, and a lot of it is traditional.

00:28:57.000 So, all of those virtues lend themselves to country living because, of course, you've got to get up early in the morning.

00:29:03.000 And if you don't tend to the farm, if you don't do your thing, if you don't look after yourself to some degree, I mean, you're basically on your own.

00:29:10.000 You have to defend your own property.

00:29:12.000 And a lot of that lends itself to a right wing, order based mentality.

00:29:16.000 With a liberal in the city, it's a little bit different.

00:29:19.000 You look at the city where it's public transportation.

00:29:23.000 Everything is basically publicly owned.

00:29:25.000 You have to live together with people.

00:29:26.000 So it's naturally about negotiating and compromising with different kinds of people from different places.

00:29:32.000 There's a certain degree of tolerance.

00:29:34.000 You have to tolerate a lot of difference.

00:29:37.000 And so I think if you just look at the two, and this is a simple answer, obviously it's a very complicated subject.

00:29:43.000 But I think if you just look at the two different ways of life, they both naturally lend themselves to certain values, certain systems.

00:29:51.000 And this has been historically the case.

00:29:52.000 You go back to the Roman Empire.

00:29:54.000 With Scipio Africanus and Cato the Elder, and this was the conversation.

00:29:59.000 The more traditionally minded right wing countryside versus the progressive, cosmopolitan, urban parts of the country, or the empire.

00:30:09.000 So, I mean, this has been going on forever, and I think it's naturally the lifestyles that lend themselves to those kinds of principles.

00:30:17.000 But with technology, more people are going to go to the city than they are to the country.

00:30:21.000 True.

00:30:23.000 And that's something that's really shaped the way that our country has been.

00:30:23.000 Yeah, that's true.

00:30:27.000 Thinking.

00:30:27.000 You know, America was an agrarian republic for a long time, and that's why it was relatively right wing in many respects compared to where we are now.

00:30:36.000 But since I think it was around the turn of the century, we had more people living in cities as opposed to the countryside.

00:30:41.000 Now we see that it flips in the other direction.

00:30:43.000 So cool.

00:30:47.000 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 All right.

00:30:48.000 Well, thanks for calling in, big guy.

00:30:50.000 Wait, wait.

00:30:51.000 Before you go, before, can you unban relative, please?

00:30:55.000 Who?

00:30:56.000 Relatively found.

00:30:59.000 I don't know.

00:31:01.000 I'll have to look into that.

00:31:02.000 I'll have to ask my moderator what the situation was there.

00:31:05.000 No, no.

00:31:05.000 No promises.

00:31:06.000 Let's just unbutton him. 0.97

00:31:07.000 Live dangerously. 0.99

00:31:08.000 Come on.

00:31:09.000 You can do it.

00:31:10.000 Nicholas, come on.

00:31:11.000 It's your channel.

00:31:12.000 Take it easy, big guy.

00:31:12.000 All right.

00:31:13.000 Talk to you later.

00:31:15.000 Okay.

00:31:16.000 And a great call by Tim Tam.

00:31:17.000 We're getting a little hostile.

00:31:18.000 That's all right.

00:31:19.000 I've been waiting for this.

00:31:20.000 Every call in show is very friendly.

00:31:22.000 It's very congenial.

00:31:24.000 But I want a little bit of conflict.

00:31:25.000 You want to spice it up a little bit.

00:31:27.000 So I enjoy it.

00:31:28.000 I disarm the situation very quickly because I'm not really.

00:31:31.000 You know, I'm not a hateful person, anything like that.

00:31:34.000 Let's see, why don't we bring in.

00:31:38.000 Let's bring in KPT Canoli.

00:31:41.000 What's going on, KPT?

00:31:45.000 Nick, how's it going, my man?

00:31:47.000 Good.

00:31:47.000 How about yourself?

00:31:49.000 I'm pretty good.

00:31:50.000 Listen, Nick, Nick, this is your manager talking.

00:31:53.000 This is your manager talking.

00:31:54.000 Yes.

00:31:56.000 I like what you're doing with the show, man, but I think there should be a bunch of changes that need to be done, man. 1.00

00:32:02.000 I'm looking at all these demographic studies, and I have to say, judging from market research, you're not being too friendly with your pagan and Protestant neighbors, man. 1.00

00:32:12.000 I think you've got to lighten it up a bit. 0.89

00:32:14.000 Well, I don't attack the Protestants. 0.85

00:32:16.000 I say, look, people ask me about Catholicism, which is my religion, and I tell them where I see it is better in the place of Protestantism's shortcomings.

00:32:28.000 That's not an attack on Protestants. 0.68

00:32:30.000 Pagans, on the other hand, you know, I really just dislike pagans. 0.77

00:32:34.000 I think that if you are pagan, I think you're basically an atheist who is a LARPer, and you really can't be that intelligent to be a pagan. 0.85

00:32:42.000 There are a few exceptions. 0.91

00:32:43.000 I think Greg Johnson's an intelligent person or an educated person, but if you believe that.

00:32:48.000 Man can fashion a religion after his political goals.

00:32:51.000 I think fundamentally, you're not a very wise person.

00:32:54.000 And so, pagans are not people I'd like on my team because I don't think they're very smart.

00:32:59.000 I don't think they can be moral people given their structure.

00:33:02.000 I think it's so outside of the experience of Americans.

00:33:07.000 They're not people that are worth bringing around.

00:33:09.000 So, you know, we're a movement that's about difference, we're a movement that's about having standards and all the rest, and they don't fit the bill, so to speak.

00:33:19.000 So.

00:33:21.000 Yeah, I think it's the same sort of thing with the Patrick Little sort of crowd.

00:33:24.000 It's just not a bunch of people you want to associate yourself with, you know?

00:33:29.000 Right.

00:33:30.000 Right. 0.97

00:33:30.000 Well, I mean, with Patrick Little, if you watch that conversation, you know, I think Patrick Little is a sick guy. 0.97

00:33:38.000 I really do.

00:33:39.000 But it didn't start out nasty.

00:33:41.000 It really didn't.

00:33:42.000 You know, I started out in my usual kind of sardonic style and just explaining to him, I think, in a very reasonable way, why what he was doing was not going to work.

00:33:52.000 He wasn't able to handle that.

00:33:54.000 He was not able to handle that without getting very defensive and very emotional.

00:33:58.000 And so, again, you know, like you say, these are not the kinds of people you want to associate with.

00:34:02.000 So I think you got to have standards.

00:34:05.000 You got to have standards.

00:34:07.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:34:07.000 There was a one time I was like on a Discord server and I ran into a bunch of rednecks and they were ranting on about how they just burnt like a cross on someone's lawn. 1.00

00:34:18.000 I called them fucking idiots. 1.00

00:34:19.000 I'm like, why? 1.00

00:34:20.000 Why the fuck would you do that? 0.99

00:34:22.000 It's part of my language. 1.00

00:34:23.000 Why would you do that?

00:34:24.000 It just does not help us one bit.

00:34:28.000 Well, it's just bad tactics, really.

00:34:28.000 Yeah.

00:34:31.000 Well, I don't even consider people who do those kinds of things on my side.

00:34:34.000 That's why it's much better.

00:34:36.000 People say that disavowals are cucking or whatever, but they are very important because those people are not on our team.

00:34:43.000 You know, it's a very easy thing.

00:34:45.000 I'm not responsible for what other people do.

00:34:47.000 And if I was, they would be a tremendous liability.

00:34:49.000 So why pretend that we need some kind of unity that we need?

00:34:55.000 You know, people say it's infighting.

00:34:56.000 That's not infighting.

00:34:57.000 They're not in my group.

00:34:58.000 You know, in what?

00:35:00.000 So, I look at people who do that kind of thing and I say, that's nothing I want to be a part of. 0.96

00:35:06.000 So, yeah, it's just foolishness. 0.92

00:35:10.000 Yeah. 0.91

00:35:10.000 You've got to have standards. 0.91

00:35:11.000 I mean, you can't keep larping around like morons, I suppose. 1.00

00:35:15.000 Exactly. 1.00

00:35:16.000 You're perfectly right.

00:35:17.000 Yeah.

00:35:18.000 Well, nice talking to you, man.

00:35:18.000 All right.

00:35:20.000 Enjoy the show.

00:35:23.000 Thank you for having me.

00:35:24.000 Thanks for coming on.

00:35:25.000 Take it easy, big guy.

00:35:27.000 All right. 1.00

00:35:27.000 Lots of Australians on the show, right? 1.00

00:35:29.000 What is that, like our third Australian?

00:35:32.000 The Aussies love America first.

00:35:35.000 What can I say? 1.00

00:35:37.000 Let's bring on, let's see.

00:35:40.000 Oh, we got Leo Pirate.

00:35:41.000 So, this is the one they want me to debate.

00:35:44.000 What's going on, Leo?

00:35:46.000 Hey, Mr. Fuentes.

00:35:48.000 It's good to hear from you.

00:35:48.000 Hey.

00:35:50.000 I'm a big fan.

00:35:51.000 I was introduced to your channel from that first blood sports debate you had with Halsey.

00:35:57.000 That was the blood sports to end all blood sports.

00:36:00.000 Seeing Halsey's eyes like bug out when you guys are talking about the USS Liberty was absolutely hilarious.

00:36:06.000 Incredible stuff.

00:36:07.000 Thank you.

00:36:07.000 Incredible stuff.

00:36:08.000 I'm glad you enjoyed it.

00:36:09.000 So, what's going on?

00:36:10.000 I heard you want to debate me about.

00:36:12.000 About Christianity, is that correct?

00:36:15.000 I mean, I just wanted to ask some questions.

00:36:17.000 I noticed on the show you throw around hypotheticals about sort of what rules would be in a theocratic Catholic state if the United States were to become one.

00:36:26.000 Would you actually support that?

00:36:28.000 Or do you firmly believe in liberty of conscience?

00:36:31.000 Well, here's the thing I think that you cannot divorce a political conversation from the pragmatic realities of politics, which is to say that, you know, for example, Richard Spencer will talk about this ethnostate, which is.

00:36:47.000 Hypothetical and abstract and far in the future.

00:36:50.000 To me, as somebody that's engaged in politics as opposed to maybe political philosophy or something more academic, I don't like to entertain conversations like that because it's not practical. 0.97

00:36:59.000 So, if we're talking about an ideal world where we could have a global Catholic theocracy, I probably say that would be preferable in a lot of ways to what we have in the country right now.

00:37:12.000 But seeing that we do live in the country right now as it is, because it's completely impractical, I don't think I would endorse something like that. 1.00

00:37:19.000 So, preferable.

00:37:20.000 Preferable to what we have right now, absolutely.

00:37:24.000 Well, you know, I do find that interesting because, you know, our Savior, Jesus Christ, when he was asked, you know, sort of trying to be tripped up by the scribes, he was given a coin and he said, Should we put your inscription on it?

00:37:34.000 And, you know, his answer that amazed them all was render to Caesar the things which are Caesar's and render to God the things which are God's.

00:37:43.000 So, in a way, it's as if Jesus Christ gave an explicit endorsement of separation of church and state, which in itself, the Catholic Church by existence, Kind of violates that.

00:37:54.000 But if you're not just talking about the Vatican existing, you're saying a global sort of Vatican enforcement of their morality would be preferable to the degenerate state that we have right now.

00:38:05.000 I don't think the church should enforce.

00:38:07.000 I think the state should enforce morality that is informed by Catholic teaching.

00:38:11.000 And I mean, this has been the case.

00:38:13.000 I mean, you could say, well, this would be not good or this is not what was said in the book of Genesis, or rather the gospel.

00:38:23.000 Of course, Europe functioned like this for a long time.

00:38:25.000 There was no separation of church and state until the Enlightenment.

00:38:28.000 And even after the Enlightenment, you look at morality writ large and the law, it was all informed by Christian moral teaching, which of course would be preferable to the present system.

00:38:37.000 But. 0.57

00:38:39.000 No, your ideas.

00:38:40.000 Do you think this is true?

00:38:42.000 No, your ideas align with the past.

00:38:44.000 You know, Pope Pius IX and his encyclical letter in August 15, 1854 said the absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty of conscience.

00:38:55.000 Are a most pestilential error, a pest of all others, most to be dreaded in a state.

00:39:01.000 And how you said that the Catholic Church would be informing the ideas, what's the difference?

00:39:07.000 You're saying they wouldn't actually hold positions of office, but if they're informing the legislators, I'm wondering what's the difference.

00:39:15.000 You're saying they're just not holding the position, they're the one making it.

00:39:18.000 Well, there is a big difference.

00:39:19.000 I mean, you look at, for example, the American government in 1776, when we had a revolution, and all the founders concurred that.

00:39:28.000 Christian morality should be the basis of law.

00:39:31.000 And you could read, there's a great book on this subject.

00:39:34.000 I'm not an expert on the subject, but I have read extensively about it.

00:39:37.000 There's a great book about this called Liberty Secrets by Joshua Charles.

00:39:40.000 And they talk about how all the founders, if you look at their letters, if you look at their writings, you're getting a little.

00:39:47.000 Could you put on Push to Talk or something?

00:39:49.000 Oh, sorry.

00:39:50.000 You don't hear my typing.

00:39:51.000 Sorry about that.

00:39:52.000 That's all right.

00:39:53.000 But they all basically wrote how a country cannot function if there is not some kind of morality that is informed by Christianity.

00:40:00.000 And moreover, a government cannot function if the people that are governing are not governing in the spirit of Christianity.

00:40:06.000 And look, I mean, you seem to say, well, it's an arbitrary distinction that the church is not enforcing the morality.

00:40:13.000 The government is enforcing it, but simply informed by the church.

00:40:17.000 I mean, do you think that what we have right now is good or preferable?

00:40:21.000 I mean, I don't understand where you're coming from, really.

00:40:24.000 It seems kind of like.

00:40:25.000 No, I think right now we don't have a separation of church and state. 0.66

00:40:28.000 We are being informed by the synagogue of Satan.

00:40:30.000 But if you want to go a little further with that idea, I just like to quote John F. Kennedy.

00:40:36.000 You know, I was a big fan of him.

00:40:37.000 He said, I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholics prelate would tell the president, should he be Catholic, how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote, where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

00:41:02.000 So I know I might just be a quoting hound.

00:41:04.000 I see that I'm just throwing quotes at you, but I'm trying to bring up the spirit of liberty of conscience that is central not only to the Constitution, but many of our forefathers, presidents as well.

00:41:17.000 So, if I'm, you see where I'm coming from.

00:41:20.000 I'm not necessarily saying that all religious morality is bad, but I'm wondering if it's coming from the Catholic Church, is it coming from the Bible or the catechism?

00:41:30.000 Well, I think that it depends on what you value as a society, because, of course, you can quote John F. Kennedy and you could even quote to the founders to some extent about religious liberty.

00:41:39.000 I would add, however, that when we look at the separation of church and state, I mean, this has no appearance in the Constitution.

00:41:45.000 The closest thing we get is the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment.

00:41:49.000 And, anyways, what we got from The founders on separation of church and state.

00:41:53.000 I mean, this is one of the least understood characteristics of the founding principles of the country.

00:41:59.000 People think that this was about keeping Christianity, keeping God out of government, keeping out of legislation and all the rest, when actually, it was nothing of the sort.

00:42:08.000 A lot of this is revisionist history.

00:42:10.000 The reason they had the separation of church and state was so as to not corrupt the church.

00:42:15.000 Keeping the state out of the church would make it so that the church would be able to flourish more.

00:42:20.000 And I think that actually, in any way, even if you interpret it the way that you are or the way that it's supposed to be, In any case, liberalism, liberty of conscience, as you called it, has led to a society that is completely degenerate, that has no morality.

00:42:34.000 And so, you know, again, it just comes down to not what's happening right now.

00:42:38.000 I would disagree with that.

00:42:39.000 I would disagree with that.

00:42:40.000 What do you think is happening right now?

00:42:41.000 It's not liberty of conscience that's caused this.

00:42:43.000 It's a new religion called humanism.

00:42:46.000 That religion has violated liberty of conscience and is now saying, hey, we can't have it in public.

00:42:50.000 We can't have prayer in public schools. 0.67

00:42:52.000 We can't have any references to religion except if we bash it. 1.00

00:42:57.000 That's a religion unto itself.

00:43:00.000 Okay, but see, this again is the problem with the state.

00:43:02.000 There is no, the state cannot exist in a state of neutrality where it's simply saying nobody can fill the public space with their thoughts.

00:43:12.000 It has to be a neutral space.

00:43:14.000 That kind of neutrality does not exist.

00:43:16.000 The state cannot keep everyone in a constant state of not interfering, not intervening.

00:43:22.000 There is always, there always has to be a positive force in the society.

00:43:25.000 And so you subtracted Christianity, and what you get is not liberty of conscience. 0.57

00:43:30.000 What you get is not this.

00:43:32.000 This neutral space where people can make up their own minds, you get some other religion, whether it be humanism, the synagogue of Satan, liberalism, to fill the vacuum.

00:43:42.000 And so this is where I come at it from an idea of I stopped being this kind of libertarian type a few years ago.

00:43:49.000 I stopped believing that we could have something that is ideal or that is completely free or that is even approaching freedom.

00:43:57.000 I said you have to make trade offs effectively.

00:43:59.000 And what's going to be a better trade off?

00:44:01.000 Everything has its excesses, but what's going to be a trade off that you can live with?

00:44:06.000 This is not a trade off I can live with.

00:44:08.000 I understand there are excesses to more religious minded law.

00:44:12.000 There always is, and there's always things that are unfortunate and unjust in any system.

00:44:16.000 But we have to think about what's preferable.

00:44:18.000 Is it preferable to live in a society where we're trying our best to have liberty of conscience, but a more vicious and a more Machiavellian religion fills the void, humanism, et cetera? 1.00

00:44:30.000 Or do we have something where it's still not a perfect system, but we don't have child drag queens and all the rest? 0.99

00:44:37.000 I mean, what do you think about that? 0.99

00:44:38.000 Oh, sure.

00:44:40.000 I will.

00:44:40.000 I just could ask you a question.

00:44:41.000 How far would you go to enforce that sort of enforcement of catechism based morality?

00:44:47.000 Because I think about how the Pope claims to be the vicar of Christ.

00:44:51.000 And I think about how different his character is when you bear it to comparison of our Savior.

00:44:56.000 Think of how when the Apostle John, when he was filled with anger at the Samaritan village and said, Lord, will thou that we command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elias did?

00:45:07.000 And Jesus said, the Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

00:45:12.000 The way he got people in his movement was just to show the divine character of God manifested in his personality, in his speech, and his actions.

00:45:22.000 I don't recall Jesus sending anyone to the stocks, to the torture chambers, or anything like the Inquisition in the past of Rome.

00:45:29.000 So when you're saying what we're seeing today, what would I do about it?

00:45:32.000 For one, I'd say it's impossible.

00:45:34.000 It's an uphill battle because secularism, humanism, Satanism has taken over.

00:45:40.000 That religion is the power of God.

00:45:42.000 The one in power right now.

00:45:43.000 So, liberty of conscience, as far as I'm concerned, is already thrown out the window.

00:45:47.000 It's already gone.

00:45:48.000 And you're arguing that we can take it back by instead enforcing peace.

00:45:52.000 I don't want liberty of conscience.

00:45:55.000 I mean, that seems to me as a fiction.

00:45:58.000 I mean, I think that's basically not a real thing, or if it is, not something that's worth going for.

00:46:04.000 And anyway, we have to introduce a little bit of focus here because we're kind of vacillating between a conversation about political theory, which is to say, What political system works best, and then vacillating between is the Pope the rightful vicar of Christ on earth, which are, of course, two entirely different conversations.

00:46:23.000 And maybe it's useful that when one of them isn't working out, you flip over to the other.

00:46:27.000 But I mean, which do you want to talk about?

00:46:29.000 Do you want to talk about a political system or do you want to talk about the legitimacy of the Pope?

00:46:36.000 Well, at least what you've proposed to me, it seems like you're trying to mix the two because you're saying.

00:46:42.000 I think it's you that's trying because you came in initially.

00:46:45.000 Rome is separate.

00:46:46.000 Rome is separate from the United States. 0.87

00:46:47.000 That much I understand. 0.75

00:46:48.000 But then you'd say her papists can be informing policy. 0.78

00:46:52.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:46:54.000 But again, you seem to be vacillating between that argument, which is should a government be informed by a religious doctrine?

00:47:03.000 Should a government be informed by particularly the Catholic Church versus is the Catholic Church the rightful heir to Jesus Christ or the vicar of Christ on earth?

00:47:12.000 These are two different debates.

00:47:14.000 I see what you mean.

00:47:16.000 Correction on that.

00:47:17.000 Then I believe that basically government policy should be based off of secular truth, which, by the way, The word of God, which I believe to be truth, will always have secular evidence to support it.

00:47:29.000 What is the word of God?

00:47:30.000 I mean, is the word of God the collection of books that was put together at the Council of Nicaea?

00:47:36.000 Or do you have a different definition?

00:47:38.000 Definitely not.

00:47:38.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:47:39.000 That's certainly not the definition used by the apostles or used by Christ himself.

00:47:44.000 I mean, the Bible didn't exist yet, but you do know that you're using the Hebrew text for when they were preaching.

00:47:51.000 Do you reject the Bible then?

00:47:52.000 I mean, because that's.

00:47:53.000 No, I reject the Septuagint and what the Catholic Church, its Latin translations, yes.

00:48:00.000 But what I do accept is a direct definition.

00:48:03.000 English translation from the original Hebrew and the Greek textus receptus, just because it's the closest to the source without actually knowing the original language.

00:48:11.000 And as I was saying, if the word of God is true, which I believe it is, there will be secular evidence to support it.

00:48:17.000 And you see in Leviticus where it says, if you touch a dead body, you need to put your hands in running water.

00:48:22.000 And well, it just so happens a couple of thousand years later to get the scientific revolution, we discovered this thing called germs.

00:48:28.000 So that's what I'm trying to say.

00:48:32.000 If the moral principles taught by Christ, the prophets, the apostles are true, There is secular evidence to support that.

00:48:39.000 And I just look at how I go, we need to save this for another discussion because you can look at large population differences in India, how the majority of the population is Hindu there.

00:48:51.000 But there's a small region that's actually Christian in the southwest of that subcontinent that has the highest literacy rates in the countries, that actually has the highest standards of living, but because they're Christian. 0.94

00:49:02.000 But you know, I'm not, you get what I'm saying. 0.89

00:49:04.000 There is secular evidence for the morality that's pushed in the Bible.

00:49:08.000 You shouldn't just say, Deus' fault, God wills it.

00:49:11.000 Therefore, or hey, the Pope will.

00:49:12.000 Oh, that's definitely what that's definitely my argument, not a straw man.

00:49:16.000 So, I so we've decided to we've chosen the argument is going to be about the legitimacy of the Pope as the vicar of Christ on earth or the successor to Peter.

00:49:25.000 And I, you know, I've heard it all, I've heard Orthodox arguments, I've heard Protestant arguments, but I mean, you can read the gospel, and Jesus Christ says to Peter that he is the foundation of the church, he's the rock upon which I build the church.

00:49:40.000 And, of course, what is Peter?

00:49:41.000 What is that a translation of from Hebrew after Simon?

00:49:45.000 It's a pun basically for rock.

00:49:46.000 If you look at the Hebrew, it's very similar to the word rock.

00:49:49.000 He also gives Peter the keys.

00:49:51.000 You can look at Peter as the most consequential figure out of all the apostles in the entire gospel.

00:49:58.000 He's mentioned, I believe, more than all the other apostles combined.

00:50:02.000 In the book of Acts, he does many different firsts.

00:50:06.000 I forget all the particulars, but I mean, if you read the book of Acts, he figures most prominently.

00:50:10.000 And so I think there's a strong biblical justification that Jesus Christ intended.

00:50:15.000 That Peter and his successors would be the vicars of Christ on earth.

00:50:19.000 And anyway, I think the fundamental problem we have with Protestantism without some secular authority on earth, or not secular, rather temporal authority on earth, there's no way to guarantee that we are interpreting the Word of God correctly.

00:50:38.000 Because, you know, maybe if I were, I don't know, I might be inclined to agree with you that we could take the Word of God translated from the most original.

00:50:47.000 In the, you know, translated somehow, we can trust that this translation is the best and this interpretation is the most correct.

00:50:53.000 But what you have in the absence of an authority, and unity proceeds from one, never forget that.

00:50:58.000 What you have in the absence of that is an endless disagreement, endless debate about who is actually correct.

00:51:04.000 I mean, I believe you're a Seventh day Adventist, correct?

00:51:07.000 Yes.

00:51:08.000 Okay.

00:51:09.000 Now, you have Seventh day Adventists, you have Pentecostals, you have Baptists, you have Mormons, you have Catholics, you have all different sects, and to me, thousands of denominations.

00:51:17.000 Exactly.

00:51:18.000 And a Catholic is a part of the biggest church in the world.

00:51:21.000 Billions of people.

00:51:23.000 And we're all on the same team.

00:51:24.000 And we all follow what the interpretation is from the Pope. 0.93

00:51:29.000 Now, with Protestants, you have thousands upon thousands of denominations. 0.80

00:51:32.000 And if you're a Protestant, you have to basically believe, well, my denomination of X number is the right one. 0.93

00:51:39.000 They're all wrong except for me. 0.93

00:51:40.000 And if you don't believe that, well, then you basically believe, well, they're all a little, we're all a little bit wrong.

00:51:45.000 And maybe if I'm not the only right one, well, then we're all maybe just a little bit off.

00:51:49.000 And to me, that is kind of defeats the whole purpose of Jesus Christ coming in the first place.

00:51:54.000 If we, I mean, imagine if you had divine truth in the world and, well, we couldn't trust that it was totally correct.

00:52:00.000 It was just kind of God.

00:52:01.000 You're saying a lot of things if you, mind me.

00:52:03.000 Christ was a master of the Old Testament.

00:52:06.000 He would respond to the Pharisees by quoting from the Old Testament.

00:52:09.000 And I don't really remember him appealing to a higher power.

00:52:12.000 And I see a lot of uncanny similarities to the religion of the Pharisees or the Jews to Catholicism today.

00:52:18.000 But if you're talking about the apostolic succession, about Peter that said, upon this rock I will build my church, I implore you to read the entire chapter of Matthew 16 where Jesus asked him, Do you know what Jesus asked Simon in the context of that verse?

00:52:32.000 Tell me.

00:52:33.000 He said to Simon, But who say I am I?

00:52:35.000 And Simon Peter answered, said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

00:52:40.000 Then Jesus said, Blessed art thou, Simon, for flesh and blood hath not revealed this to you.

00:52:46.000 And he said, Though thou art Peter, upon this rock I will build my church.

00:52:50.000 Meaning, the truth that Peter said, Thou art the Son of the living God, that was the rock that he will build his church.

00:52:57.000 He wasn't going to physically build it upon Peter himself.

00:53:00.000 But you'd only get that if you read all of Matthew chapter 16.

00:53:03.000 I have.

00:53:03.000 That's about it.

00:53:04.000 It's filtered down through the giant.

00:53:04.000 That's about it.

00:53:06.000 Pretty silly extrapolation there.

00:53:08.000 That's not filtered at all.

00:53:09.000 I mean, of course, that is a wild extrapolation because Peter was the first one to recognize that he was the living God.

00:53:15.000 And again, if you look at the name, you look at the name, it's all in the name, my friend.

00:53:20.000 His name was Simon, correct?

00:53:21.000 Simon Peter.

00:53:22.000 And then he was changed to Peter, right?

00:53:24.000 And if you look at the original Hebrew, Peter is a pun for rock.

00:53:28.000 And you can say, and look, Jay Dyer said the same thing in the Orthodox debate, and he's much more informed than both of us on the early church fathers and all the rest.

00:53:38.000 But he never convinced me that that interpretation was the wrong one.

00:53:43.000 And then look, you could look at all the early church fathers who all agreed that the successor to Rome was the head of the church, down every single one of them.

00:53:51.000 And all the other churches descended from apostles did as well the church in Antioch, the church in Alexandria.

00:53:57.000 They all agreed that the bishop of Rome was the vicar of Christ on earth.

00:54:01.000 And then at some point in the year 1000, the Orthodox Church, or in the 11th century, said, you know, this isn't totally working.

00:54:08.000 And then Protestantism comes around.

00:54:11.000 In what, 1518 or 1517, and then they suddenly decide, well, we have this big problem with the papacy.

00:54:18.000 So, I mean, you can say, well, I interpreted this as a big problem with the papacy.

00:54:21.000 Just go ahead.

00:54:24.000 Sure.

00:54:25.000 I find it humorous the way you describe it, just the big problem with the papacy.

00:54:27.000 But I can see your chat is kind of losing it.

00:54:30.000 They're hoping for other guests to come on.

00:54:31.000 But yeah, I will just answer one more point before I head out and let some other people on your call and show for not just me.

00:54:37.000 When you were saying that there's thousands of denominations all diluted, I encourage you.

00:54:42.000 To instead of looking at the minor doctrinal differences between the denominations, I encourage you to look at the similarities.

00:54:48.000 And you'll find that between all of them, they seem to share two things in common.

00:54:55.000 One is their definition of the God they worship, being a trinity, triunity in one, three in one.

00:55:01.000 And the second is Sunday worship, two things which the Roman Catholic Church also happens to practice.

00:55:10.000 So you might say, huh.

00:55:12.000 There are thousands of different denominations of Protestantism.

00:55:15.000 They're all diluted and lost, but they seem pretty close under Rome, under Rome's protecting wing. 0.60

00:55:20.000 That's funny.

00:55:21.000 Interesting.

00:55:22.000 I mean, are you going to say that Christianity? 1.00

00:55:25.000 I mean, to me, that argument in favor almost proves my point, which is to say that we have to filter out everything else except for. 0.97

00:55:36.000 I mean, can you really say that we're going to base our understanding of the divine on these two concepts, the nature of the God, which is similar, and also Sunday worship?

00:55:46.000 That's the basis of.

00:55:47.000 I mean, that's the takeaway from Christ's coming.

00:55:50.000 That's the two biggest practices that I see originated in Rome and is in a lot of nations today. 0.80

00:55:54.000 And I will tell you, Seventh day Adventism isn't.

00:55:58.000 Let's just say they're at enmity with Rome.

00:55:59.000 Probably one of the most, the closest denominations I've seen to studying the origins of the papacy and its sort of influence throughout history.

00:56:09.000 So I'll leave you with that.

00:56:10.000 We'll be praying for you.

00:56:11.000 We can let other people on.

00:56:12.000 And I'd love to talk to you in the future if you want to do another show or anything.

00:56:15.000 Sorry, I don't have enough clout.

00:56:16.000 Okay?

00:56:18.000 We'll get some more clout and we'll have you on for a full debate.

00:56:21.000 All right.

00:56:22.000 I guess he was not so happy because he left in a real hurry.

00:56:25.000 You know, look, folks, he basically proved my point towards the end, which is, and this is my argument.

00:56:30.000 You know, I'm not an expert on.

00:56:32.000 The theology, I'm not an expert on the history.

00:56:36.000 People can bring in, oh, John F. Kennedy said this, this said that.

00:56:39.000 In this case, it said this.

00:56:41.000 But you cannot have a functional system without unity.

00:56:45.000 And unity proceeds from one, without authority, without hierarchy.

00:56:49.000 You need these things.

00:56:51.000 And so to me, he basically concedes that point when he says, well, you could talk about how they're all totally different and therefore they've watered down the religion beyond belief, but actually they have two big things in common.

00:57:02.000 Oh, really?

00:57:03.000 Well, you know, we could say that. 1.00

00:57:04.000 Muslims, you know, they have worship on the weekend and they think that Jesus Christ is a divine enough figure.

00:57:10.000 Why don't we include them?

00:57:13.000 And how about Jewish people?

00:57:14.000 You know, they're monotheists and they practice weekend worship.

00:57:18.000 Let's bring in, you know, we're all the same.

00:57:21.000 That's where it really falls apart.

00:57:23.000 To me, you know, when you look at God and God's word, you have to take it seriously enough to say that we have to know what it is and that it is correct.

00:57:32.000 And only the papacy can say.

00:57:35.000 That we have apostolic succession.

00:57:36.000 The Orthodox can too, but we have the vicar of Christ on earth who authoritatively can say, this is the word of God.

00:57:43.000 This is doctrine.

00:57:44.000 And we don't have to worry that everyone is wrong or we're all a little bit wrong or anything like that.

00:57:50.000 And he was very upset about that.

00:57:51.000 Maybe if he came up with better arguments, he'd have more clout.

00:57:53.000 But he seemed to be a little bit upset towards the end.

00:57:57.000 And let's see.

00:57:58.000 And also notice the obfuscation.

00:58:00.000 First, we're talking about political systems, and then it turns into, oh, well, actually, you guys are just like the Pharisees.

00:58:05.000 And anyway, you know, these are very typical tactics.

00:58:07.000 But.

00:58:09.000 Let's see.

00:58:10.000 Let's see.

00:58:10.000 I have no ill will towards Protestants.

00:58:12.000 I just, you know, maybe a little honesty goes a long way. 1.00

00:58:16.000 Let's bring in Furry Supreme.

00:58:19.000 What's going on, Furry?

00:58:23.000 Are you there?

00:58:23.000 Okay, looks like we're having some technical difficulties.

00:58:28.000 We're going to have to go in for somebody else.

00:58:29.000 That's unfortunate.

00:58:30.000 I was looking forward to that.

00:58:32.000 Let's bring in, and also, I'm very influenced by De Maistre, who said that a state has to be founded on irrationality.

00:58:41.000 Which I'm a big believer in that, because he said that if a state is founded on a constitution established through reason, well, then anybody could challenge it, anybody could question it.

00:58:52.000 You could all authority established through reason, through rational means, can be delegitimized, can be challenged, questioned, etc.

00:59:01.000 And it's a very unstable situation.

00:59:04.000 So De Maistre said that all countries have to be founded on basically unquestionable authority that's legitimacy derives from irrational authority.

00:59:13.000 Ways, which would be religion, in the sense that you don't justify a religion through totally rational, totally reasoned means.

00:59:21.000 And so that's a big part of it.

00:59:24.000 Because if he says liberty of conscience, well, anybody could come along and say, well, I don't really believe in that.

00:59:29.000 And then you'd get the current situation.

00:59:30.000 So very convenient.

00:59:31.000 But let's see.

00:59:33.000 Why don't we bring in Odysseus?

00:59:34.000 What's going on, Odysseus?

00:59:37.000 Oh, hey, Nick.

00:59:39.000 Glad to be on the show.

00:59:40.000 Glad to have you.

00:59:41.000 What's going on?

00:59:42.000 Not much, big guy.

00:59:44.000 Just wondering about your thoughts about pagans criticizing Christianity as a Jewish religion.

00:59:52.000 I know you've touched on this some.

00:59:54.000 But the, especially the complaints they have against the, you know, the church hierarchy in itself, because, you know, the Protestants aren't the real church. 0.59

01:00:04.000 You know what we're talking about when we say the real church here. 0.60

01:00:08.000 So the complaints they have against the papacy, the cardinals, their infiltration and their corruption, and historically their corruption within the church, and also the pagan complaints against the church.

01:00:21.000 What do you have to say to that?

01:00:23.000 Well, yeah, I mean, this is something that's asked a lot, and pagans say this a lot.

01:00:28.000 But I think anybody reads the Bible.

01:00:30.000 I mean, I read the gospel for the first time like a year and a half ago or two years ago, and I was just surprised at what was contained in it.

01:00:38.000 You know, who were the number one antagonists, the number one adversaries of Jesus Christ?

01:00:42.000 Of course, it was the Pharisees. 0.94

01:00:44.000 And where we get modern day Jewry, can you turn on Push to Talk? 0.99

01:00:48.000 I'm getting a lot of. 0.95

01:00:50.000 Oh, sorry.

01:00:51.000 Yeah, I'll do that.

01:00:52.000 Okay, thanks. 0.88

01:00:55.000 And where we get modern day Jewry, of course, is people that were left over.

01:00:59.000 And I'm not sure all the terminology.

01:01:01.000 There's a couple of really good books written about this subject.

01:01:04.000 One is called Judaism's Strange Gods, which you can look into.

01:01:07.000 And there's another one that's called, the name escapes me, but there was a really fantastic article about this in Uns.

01:01:14.000 I'll let you know if I think of it. 0.69

01:01:17.000 But basically, I mean, we understand that, you know, Jewish people did not produce Christianity, they rejected Jesus Christ. 0.83

01:01:25.000 And this is why in all the rabbinical Jewish books, the Talmud in particular, the Babylonian and also, what is it, the. 0.81

01:01:34.000 The Babylonian and is it the Palestinian or the Jerusalem Talmud?

01:01:37.000 In both of those, they say some pretty nasty things about Jesus Christ. 1.00

01:01:41.000 So people can point to the Jewish origins, and that's true. 0.97

01:01:43.000 But I mean, you have to remember all the ones that are existing today that practice the rabbinic tradition rejected Christ himself. 0.66

01:01:50.000 And just ask yourself all the Jewish interests and media why have they so viciously gone after Christ in schools, in media, in Hollywood? 0.76

01:02:01.000 I mean, the pagan argument is Jewish people are ruining the world and all that. 0.98

01:02:06.000 And Christianity is a part of that. 0.91

01:02:08.000 Which I don't subscribe to all of that.

01:02:10.000 But they say Christianity is a part of this, this takedown of Western civilization. 0.98

01:02:14.000 Well, if that were the case, then why wouldn't they be promoting Christianity? 0.51

01:02:18.000 Why wouldn't we be more Christian as opposed to less Christian? 0.64

01:02:21.000 You know, if the media, five out of six corporations that control 95%, if so the conspiracy goes, they were trying to take down the world and Christianity was the master plan, why wouldn't they be injecting it everywhere if that were slave morality? 0.62

01:02:35.000 Both Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Or rather, be more apt to say the ethnic Han in China. 0.56

01:02:41.000 If they wanted to take down America, they understand that Christianity is our strength. 0.68

01:02:46.000 Only we reject that.

01:02:47.000 Only liberal white people reject that.

01:02:51.000 So that's what I have to say to that. 0.89

01:02:52.000 It's a common question, but it's a good one.

01:02:55.000 All right.

01:02:55.000 Thanks so much.

01:02:56.000 I hope to be on next call.

01:02:57.000 Thank you so much.

01:02:58.000 Take it easy.

01:02:59.000 Thanks for calling.

01:03:01.000 Good question, but you know, you got to read the books.

01:03:04.000 Let's bring in Bottom of the Ninth, and we'll see.

01:03:07.000 What's going on, Bottom of the Ninth?

01:03:10.000 How's it going there, big guy?

01:03:12.000 How about yourself?

01:03:12.000 Good.

01:03:13.000 Oh, good.

01:03:14.000 I missed you.

01:03:14.000 My bad.

01:03:15.000 That's no problem. 0.93

01:03:16.000 I'm just busting your chops a little bit.

01:03:18.000 What's up?

01:03:18.000 Oh, no.

01:03:19.000 It's fine.

01:03:19.000 Hey, I've got some good news.

01:03:21.000 A buddy of mine, he's joining the seminary.

01:03:25.000 He's joining the seminary.

01:03:26.000 He's going to start in August.

01:03:28.000 And I'm excited for him.

01:03:29.000 And I just had a very, very good lunch with him.

01:03:32.000 Nothing but good news.

01:03:34.000 Apparently, I'm in Chicagoland.

01:03:36.000 I won't dox myself and say where.

01:03:38.000 But my diocese, their seminary school, doubled already with the amount of people that are coming in.

01:03:44.000 And apparently, I've been told that there's a surge of young traditional.

01:03:51.000 Seminarians coming in, and the name's pretty gay, but they're either called or call themselves the rad trads. 0.89

01:03:59.000 Well, great. 0.98

01:04:00.000 That's an awesome light pill.

01:04:01.000 And that's basically what I've been saying.

01:04:03.000 That vindicates what I've been saying on the show, which is that in response to nihilism, in response to modernism, naturally people will turn to the church. 0.86

01:04:14.000 And I think that's a great anecdote you shared, which should give a lot of hope to people who say that, well, what are we really going to resurrect Christianity? 0.82

01:04:22.000 Is it really possible?

01:04:23.000 Would it even be worth it?

01:04:24.000 It's already happening, folks.

01:04:26.000 It's already there.

01:04:27.000 So, appreciate it.

01:04:28.000 I got one more question for you, if I could get in there.

01:04:31.000 Of course, of course.

01:04:32.000 I just want to get your comment on the Barrett Kavanaugh fight that's happening right now.

01:04:32.000 Yeah, what's up?

01:04:39.000 It's kind of interesting.

01:04:40.000 I wanted to get your perspective on how the establishment is kind of very visibly shilling for Kavanaugh, but they're shilling for him in a weird way.

01:04:48.000 They're associating him.

01:04:49.000 I'm seeing a lot of people who I would consider neocons associating Kavanaugh with Bush, trying to.

01:04:56.000 That use that as a poison pill.

01:04:57.000 But, like, what do you think about that?

01:04:59.000 That these people who largely would be considered neocon or pro George Bush are now trying to pull away the Trump base from Kavanaugh?

01:05:08.000 Yeah, it's very weird because, you know, earlier this week when we talked about the justices, there was this big push going on against Kavanaugh because he wasn't strong enough on abortion and it was going to be a big win if we got Barrett in because she's a woman and all this kind of stuff.

01:05:23.000 But you're right now, you're seeing this weird push because.

01:05:26.000 As you know, of course, as you say, he was in the Bush administration, or rather, he helped George W. Bush get along with the recount in 2000 and all the rest.

01:05:36.000 I don't really know what to make of it.

01:05:37.000 It's very confusing, but I look at the three cases with immigration and I say he's the most solid guy.

01:05:43.000 So it's been very confusing because I've been hearing all kinds of contradictory things.

01:05:48.000 Ann Coulter pushing really hard, Ben Shapiro kind of likes him, but some of the neocons like him because of his connections to Bush.

01:05:55.000 And at the same time, they're saying, well, he's not good enough because he's not strong enough on abortion like Barrett.

01:05:59.000 So I really can't make heads or tails of what other people are saying, but to me, I just look at those three very strong immigration rulings and I say, that's enough.

01:06:11.000 That's our guy, right?

01:06:12.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:14.000 I think it's a good problem to have that the choice is between Barrett and Kavanaugh.

01:06:17.000 Yeah, definitely.

01:06:18.000 Definitely, because those are two very strong conservatives.

01:06:22.000 All right, well, I'll leave you with that, Nick.

01:06:24.000 Glad I could get on.

01:06:25.000 All right, big guy.

01:06:26.000 Thanks for calling in.

01:06:27.000 Take it easy.

01:06:29.000 I will do.

01:06:29.000 All right, bye-bye.

01:06:31.000 Okay, so we're going to take one more call and then we're going to call it tonight.

01:06:34.000 Who's it going to be?

01:06:36.000 Who is it going to be? 1.00

01:06:37.000 Let's bring in Dirt Cat.

01:06:41.000 What's going on, Dirt Cat?

01:06:46.000 You there?

01:06:48.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:50.000 Nick, do you plan on doing any extra segments like when you did that conspiracy theory segment?

01:06:59.000 I loved it.

01:07:01.000 I don't know, maybe.

01:07:02.000 You know, it's funny, those kind of weird segments that I do.

01:07:06.000 Really hard to spur the moment.

01:07:07.000 I'll think of like a funny joke 10 minutes before the show and just kind of throw it together.

01:07:12.000 So I don't really plan them out.

01:07:14.000 Maybe, maybe I'll do some more comedy bits in the future.

01:07:17.000 But glad you appreciate it.

01:07:18.000 Not a lot of people appreciate it.

01:07:21.000 Yeah, we need to diversify.

01:07:23.000 Diversity is our strength, man.

01:07:24.000 That's right.

01:07:25.000 That's right.

01:07:25.000 We got to diversify the content.

01:07:27.000 Hey, there'll be more content coming up.

01:07:29.000 I'm going to try and get some periscopes in this weekend or maybe next week.

01:07:29.000 Don't you worry.

01:07:34.000 Yeah, and I'll make it quick because literally shaking is literally pissed right now.

01:07:39.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:40.000 So, yeah, you got to bring them in.

01:07:43.000 But, yeah, do you recommend any books for a young guy like me?

01:07:47.000 Recommend any books?

01:07:48.000 You know, I used to have a book list up on my website, but you can't really access that anymore.

01:07:53.000 Because I cleaned it up a whole lot for the premium stuff.

01:07:56.000 But if I could recommend some books, that's a tough call because, I mean, people are just so underread these days, especially young people.

01:08:06.000 I don't read a lot of fiction, so I'm not the best go to for fiction.

01:08:09.000 But I would definitely recommend that you read the Bible.

01:08:12.000 I think that's the number one thing.

01:08:14.000 And that'll keep you busy for a while, it's a long one.

01:08:17.000 But the Bible can't come.

01:08:19.000 And here's the thing about the Bible what's really great about it is it's a practical tool as well.

01:08:24.000 I mean, it's very good because.

01:08:26.000 You read the Bible and you understand so much in literature.

01:08:28.000 You understand so much of where things came from in the West.

01:08:32.000 So it's a great literary thing.

01:08:34.000 It's also a great practical tool for yourself.

01:08:37.000 There's so much advice in the Bible, so much wisdom in the Bible that helps you with life and helps you see through on a daily basis things that you might have going on.

01:08:48.000 It's great spiritually, obviously.

01:08:50.000 You get to commune with God.

01:08:51.000 So there's no better book to read than the Bible.

01:08:54.000 But aside from that, I would say.

01:08:58.000 Who Are We by Sam Huntington is one of my top recommendations always to understand what's going on in the country.

01:09:04.000 I'd recommend The Coming Anarchy by Robert Kaplan.

01:09:09.000 That's one of my favorites.

01:09:11.000 That'll also give you a good idea of what's coming.

01:09:14.000 And I'm looking at my bookshelves, just trying to get an idea.

01:09:17.000 Maybe one more.

01:09:19.000 Maybe Reflections on the Revolution in France by Burke.

01:09:22.000 It's very frustrating because there's no chapters in it.

01:09:25.000 So it's like you either read it in one go around or you just have to find natural stopping points.

01:09:29.000 But That one is really fantastic for explaining, I think, like what a real, and it's a little bit, you know, it's not the most right wing thing you can find, but I think it'll give you a good idea of the basics of what it means to be right wing as opposed to be, you know, this free market Koch brother kind of a guy.

01:09:46.000 So those would be my top three recs off the top of my head.

01:09:50.000 Yeah, I'll order them right now, Nick.

01:09:53.000 Well, appreciate you.

01:09:53.000 All right.

01:09:54.000 Thanks for calling in.

01:09:56.000 Thank you.

01:09:57.000 All right, take it easy.

01:09:58.000 Good call.

01:09:59.000 And I think that's going to do it.

01:10:01.000 I'd like to get shaking in, but I really got to go.

01:10:04.000 My parents said they want to take me out to dinner.

01:10:06.000 How nice is that?

01:10:07.000 Maybe I'll go, maybe I won't.

01:10:08.000 Maybe they already left.

01:10:09.000 Who knows?

01:10:10.000 But they're like, you got to finish the show early.

01:10:13.000 So we'll see what happens.

01:10:15.000 I'm going to take the headphones off so I can finally hear myself.

01:10:19.000 But that's going to do it for us on the show tonight.

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01:12:05.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.

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Theocracy First (Call-In) | America First Ep. 195

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