00:01:18.000And I'm very proud and encouraged that the direction we're going on with this show, with a lot of the guests that are coming on, I think we're starting to see the beginning of a new movement here.
00:01:27.000And I hesitate to say that it's a movement, I hesitate to give it a name or anything like that or even to talk about it too much.
00:01:39.000I think that with a lot of the people that we see that have survived the last year on the dissident right, that have kind of come out unscathed from the censorship and from, you know, certain other events, let's call them, certain other events, I think you're seeing that the people that have survived have the right ideas, the right principles, but also are pragmatic, also are persuasive.
00:02:02.000And so I'm very encouraged by what we're seeing.
00:02:14.000Last night there was a big Trump rally as well.
00:02:17.000I don't know if you saw that, but last night's rally was pretty epic.
00:02:21.000You know, I didn't get a chance to talk about it because we had Vince on last night, but holy smokes, it was like a campaign rally.
00:02:29.000I feel like the presidential rallies have been kind of hit or miss.
00:02:33.000I mean, don't get me wrong, I like all of them because I like the president on a deep personal level.
00:02:38.000But I feel like a lot of the presidential rallies, they get a little bit, some of them can get repetitive because they're stump speeches.
00:02:45.000You know, I mean, the purpose of the rally is to campaign for a given senator or a congressman.
00:02:52.000So, you know, you see the same talking points here and there.
00:02:55.000But every now and then you'll have a rally where it's just, it reminds you of the good old days, where it's a little bit overcharged, it's high energy, it's insults thrown around.
00:03:04.000So he really had the spirit of the Fourth of July last night.
00:03:11.000He called Maxine Waters low IQ, said she was in the mid 60s, which, if you've ever seen any of the maps for IQ statistics, it's oddly specific, right?
00:03:21.000And then he said that he would throw a 23andMe kit at Elizabeth Warren.
00:03:37.000I feel like the lighting the way it is, it feels like when Spider Man had the venom in him and then he started doing the weird dance and the suit turned black.
00:03:47.000Maybe it's because I'm wearing a gray suit and I got the gray shirt and I don't know.
00:06:08.000Well, what I make of it is it appears the man has had a midlife crisis pretty hard, and he's maybe been having illicit relationships.
00:06:19.000I hate to make these accusations so haphazardly, but it seems that the person whose account he took may have been sleeping with him a little bit.
00:06:54.000It's, yeah, it's the right attacking the right, which is fun, which is always fun.
00:07:02.000Which, I mean, obviously, like Ricky Vaughn getting doxxed, like these people who are weird and ineffective and kind of ghettoize themselves into like this weird gab ghetto.
00:07:16.000When people stop taking them seriously, they seem to lash out at more normal people.
00:10:08.000So, I was a little bit sorry for content, and I was listening to a movie review about it with your future debate adversary, Greg Johnson, and they were talking about it.
00:10:17.000And it sounds like a really excellently Catholic movie, though.
00:12:59.000I really think we all, everybody who watches the show, everybody who likes my content, and even the most extreme people, we really owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to Cassandra Dillon for bringing this all about.
00:13:12.000If it weren't for her, America First never would have existed.
00:13:15.000So we always got to thank her early and often.
00:13:59.000No, and her husband's like this massive cuck as well.
00:14:04.000Yeah, no, I saw that when that happened when she had the kid, and I just think to myself, like, what are you doing?
00:14:10.000What are you trying to accomplish there?
00:14:13.000The head of your country having a baby, you know, don't you think that if you elect somebody to lead the country and all the national affairs and all the rest, they should be a little bit more focused on the task at hand than to be having a baby?
00:14:27.000And that's kind of the whole point of why it should be a male leader as opposed to a female leader.
00:14:32.000I just think to myself, And this is the same when we talk about women in the military or women in the workforce, all the rest.
00:16:53.000It's kind of funny because it shows America first, but yet we have a lot of.
00:16:56.000People from England, from Australia, from Ireland.
00:17:01.000A lot of people dislike it from, I think, Italy, because I was looking at the metrics for this the other day, the analytics rather, on YouTube.
00:17:10.000And there's some countries where all I get is dislikes.
00:18:03.000We call them the rootless transnational elite.
00:18:08.000And, you know, I know a lot of alt right people are fond of saying it is all the Jews.
00:18:13.000And a lot of people who are not in the alt right are fond of saying it is everybody but the Jews.
00:18:18.000But, you know, of course, the dilemma is a little bit more complicated than that.
00:18:24.000Of course, we know that mass immigration comes to us by way of the 1965 Hart Seller Act.
00:18:29.000And actually, if you look at the history of the law, it's very easy to rant autistically about one group of people.
00:18:34.000But if you actually look at the content of the law, which many people do not, The provisions that have made the 1965 immigration law so disastrous was because of chain migration.
00:18:46.000They prioritized bringing in families of immigrants as opposed to a merit based system or anything like that.
00:18:52.000And what that was put in place originally, the intention behind that originally was to make it so that it would be more Europeans because the thought process was that if Europeans are coming in, they're already the bulk of the immigrants, they would have preference for their family as opposed to the new classes of immigrants from.
00:19:10.000The Hispanic world, from Asia, from Africa, etc.
00:19:13.000And so, actually, a lot of the provisions went in there with the intention of keeping immigration relatively the same composition as it was in years past.
00:19:21.000But we know that as it was handled by the bureaucracy in future administrations, that wasn't the case.
00:19:29.000And originally, the people that sold the bill, people like Ted Kennedy, among others, said that it would not change immigration, it would not change who came in and how many came in.
00:19:39.000But of course, we know that the ADL, Was a big sponsor of this bill.
00:19:43.000They were a big sponsor of this idea of a nation of immigrants.
00:19:46.000So when you ask a question like that, who's responsible for this?
00:19:49.000I think there's a lot of people you could put it on the shoulders of.
00:19:51.000I think there is definitely politicians responsible, Republicans and Democrats.
00:19:57.000You have people in the federal bureaucracy.
00:20:00.000You have certainly people in the ADL and the SPLC.
00:20:02.000You have certain special interest groups who, you know, and there's all kinds of ethnicities in there as well.
00:20:09.000You have people like George W. Bush who brought in, what, 8 million immigrants in five years or something to that effect, and the evangelical voters who put him in.
00:20:17.000So it's a little bit difficult when you say who's responsible because, you know, you have to look at where human action allowed these things to happen.
00:20:25.000So I know what kind of answer you're going.
00:20:34.000Well, okay, now that you explained that, I want to ask why these people would want mass immigration, what they have to gain by putting these things in place.
00:20:42.000Well, again, it depends on who we're talking about.
00:20:45.000You look at Democrats, why do Democrats want mass immigration?
00:20:49.000They want it because it's more voters.
00:20:50.000Because you look at illegal immigrants, for example, and when Democrats want to give them citizenship in a state like California or in a state like Texas, Illegal immigrants, one out of 20 go for Republicans.
00:21:09.000And then you look at first generation legal Hispanic immigrants, and they go one out of 10 for Republicans.
00:21:14.000So, I mean, that's a big reason why the Democrats like it.
00:21:17.000You look at why the special interests want mass immigration, it's because it's cheap labor.
00:21:21.000When you look at NAFTA, when you look at the free trade agreements and all the rest, you can hire very cheap labor all around the world, or you can import cheap labor in the United States.
00:21:31.000Do it in the United States for below minimum wage with little to no regulations.
00:21:37.000So, you know, there's a lot of reasons why it's lucrative for them to do it that way.
00:21:42.000So, they like to bring in cheap labor for that reason.
00:21:44.000And then you look at why there's a Jewish interest in bringing in mass immigration.
00:21:48.000And there is a sizable Jewish lobby that has pushed for mass immigration.
00:21:53.000And in my opinion, you see this in Europe as well.
00:21:55.000The reason being is because Jews are an urban, cosmopolitan people, they're a foreign people, and they see themselves as a foreign people.
00:22:05.000You know, obviously, they don't assimilate.
00:22:07.000They don't like to assimilate because they have a long culture that is ethnic and religious and cultural that they want to keep and they want to protect.
00:22:18.000And this is not all of them, but this is a lot of them in certain positions of influence and power.
00:22:23.000I think they see it that if a country does not have an identity anchored around ethnicity and race, well, then it's far easier for them to get along in a country like that.
00:22:32.000So that's why the earliest proponents of anti racism and the like.
00:22:36.000In the 60s and 70s, they were Jewish because they thought that if we pushed this anti racist stuff, well, the anti anti Semitism stuff would kind of go along with it.
00:22:46.000And so I think that's a big reason why you see that as well.
00:24:18.000You know, Jared Taylor, for example, came on and said that.
00:24:21.000Angela Merkel, he thinks, probably believes, is doing the right thing.
00:24:25.000She believes she's doing the right thing.
00:24:27.000So I think there's a lot of different intentions, but not so one dimensional.
00:24:32.000I don't subscribe to the idea that there's, you know, they're out to get us and they're all working together and it's this conspiracy for a thousand years.
00:24:40.000I don't really subscribe to that so much as I subscribe to the idea that it's a confluence of various interests on the part of corporations, banks, elites, and all the rest to produce something.
00:25:05.000Very rude caller, but we know what the expectation was there.
00:25:08.000I think we have maybe some kind of a hater, obviously, a low IQ kind of a person who wants to come in and they try and get you with the gotcha question.
00:25:21.000You know, that's the problem when you introduce ideas that are supposed to be high IQ, but then very low IQ people start to hear them or read them.
00:26:27.000And, you know, somebody who, because they've demonstrated their ability to articulate ideas and ideas that are well thought out, has an audience.
00:26:36.000If you don't have that, I, you know, if I debated everybody who got 20 views on their videos, if I debated everybody who had like 20 followers on Twitter, that would be unsustainable for many reasons.
00:28:20.000Oh, that's actually interesting that you asked this question.
00:28:22.000I was actually just discussing this with a lot of my friends earlier this morning.
00:28:26.000A lot of synchronicity these days, very weird.
00:28:29.000But, I mean, you look at a city, and city life naturally lends itself to liberal values in the sense that if you compare city life to rural life, when you're out on a farm, for example, what are the virtues of daily life?
00:28:46.000You have to be self reliant, you have to be physically strong.
00:28:53.000You have to be traditional in a lot of ways, and a lot of it is traditional.
00:28:57.000So, all of those virtues lend themselves to country living because, of course, you've got to get up early in the morning.
00:29:03.000And if you don't tend to the farm, if you don't do your thing, if you don't look after yourself to some degree, I mean, you're basically on your own.
00:30:27.000You know, America was an agrarian republic for a long time, and that's why it was relatively right wing in many respects compared to where we are now.
00:30:36.000But since I think it was around the turn of the century, we had more people living in cities as opposed to the countryside.
00:30:41.000Now we see that it flips in the other direction.
00:31:56.000I like what you're doing with the show, man, but I think there should be a bunch of changes that need to be done, man.
00:32:02.000I'm looking at all these demographic studies, and I have to say, judging from market research, you're not being too friendly with your pagan and Protestant neighbors, man.
00:32:12.000I think you've got to lighten it up a bit.
00:32:16.000I say, look, people ask me about Catholicism, which is my religion, and I tell them where I see it is better in the place of Protestantism's shortcomings.
00:32:30.000Pagans, on the other hand, you know, I really just dislike pagans.
00:32:34.000I think that if you are pagan, I think you're basically an atheist who is a LARPer, and you really can't be that intelligent to be a pagan.
00:32:43.000I think Greg Johnson's an intelligent person or an educated person, but if you believe that.
00:32:48.000Man can fashion a religion after his political goals.
00:32:51.000I think fundamentally, you're not a very wise person.
00:32:54.000And so, pagans are not people I'd like on my team because I don't think they're very smart.
00:32:59.000I don't think they can be moral people given their structure.
00:33:02.000I think it's so outside of the experience of Americans.
00:33:07.000They're not people that are worth bringing around.
00:33:09.000So, you know, we're a movement that's about difference, we're a movement that's about having standards and all the rest, and they don't fit the bill, so to speak.
00:33:42.000You know, I started out in my usual kind of sardonic style and just explaining to him, I think, in a very reasonable way, why what he was doing was not going to work.
00:34:07.000There was a one time I was like on a Discord server and I ran into a bunch of rednecks and they were ranting on about how they just burnt like a cross on someone's lawn.
00:36:15.000I mean, I just wanted to ask some questions.
00:36:17.000I noticed on the show you throw around hypotheticals about sort of what rules would be in a theocratic Catholic state if the United States were to become one.
00:36:28.000Or do you firmly believe in liberty of conscience?
00:36:31.000Well, here's the thing I think that you cannot divorce a political conversation from the pragmatic realities of politics, which is to say that, you know, for example, Richard Spencer will talk about this ethnostate, which is.
00:36:47.000Hypothetical and abstract and far in the future.
00:36:50.000To me, as somebody that's engaged in politics as opposed to maybe political philosophy or something more academic, I don't like to entertain conversations like that because it's not practical.
00:36:59.000So, if we're talking about an ideal world where we could have a global Catholic theocracy, I probably say that would be preferable in a lot of ways to what we have in the country right now.
00:37:12.000But seeing that we do live in the country right now as it is, because it's completely impractical, I don't think I would endorse something like that.
00:37:20.000Preferable to what we have right now, absolutely.
00:37:24.000Well, you know, I do find that interesting because, you know, our Savior, Jesus Christ, when he was asked, you know, sort of trying to be tripped up by the scribes, he was given a coin and he said, Should we put your inscription on it?
00:37:34.000And, you know, his answer that amazed them all was render to Caesar the things which are Caesar's and render to God the things which are God's.
00:37:43.000So, in a way, it's as if Jesus Christ gave an explicit endorsement of separation of church and state, which in itself, the Catholic Church by existence, Kind of violates that.
00:37:54.000But if you're not just talking about the Vatican existing, you're saying a global sort of Vatican enforcement of their morality would be preferable to the degenerate state that we have right now.
00:38:05.000I don't think the church should enforce.
00:38:07.000I think the state should enforce morality that is informed by Catholic teaching.
00:38:13.000I mean, you could say, well, this would be not good or this is not what was said in the book of Genesis, or rather the gospel.
00:38:23.000Of course, Europe functioned like this for a long time.
00:38:25.000There was no separation of church and state until the Enlightenment.
00:38:28.000And even after the Enlightenment, you look at morality writ large and the law, it was all informed by Christian moral teaching, which of course would be preferable to the present system.
00:38:44.000You know, Pope Pius IX and his encyclical letter in August 15, 1854 said the absurd and erroneous doctrines or ravings in defense of liberty of conscience.
00:38:55.000Are a most pestilential error, a pest of all others, most to be dreaded in a state.
00:39:01.000And how you said that the Catholic Church would be informing the ideas, what's the difference?
00:39:07.000You're saying they wouldn't actually hold positions of office, but if they're informing the legislators, I'm wondering what's the difference.
00:39:15.000You're saying they're just not holding the position, they're the one making it.
00:40:37.000He said, I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute, where no Catholics prelate would tell the president, should he be Catholic, how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote, where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.
00:41:02.000So I know I might just be a quoting hound.
00:41:04.000I see that I'm just throwing quotes at you, but I'm trying to bring up the spirit of liberty of conscience that is central not only to the Constitution, but many of our forefathers, presidents as well.
00:41:17.000So, if I'm, you see where I'm coming from.
00:41:20.000I'm not necessarily saying that all religious morality is bad, but I'm wondering if it's coming from the Catholic Church, is it coming from the Bible or the catechism?
00:41:30.000Well, I think that it depends on what you value as a society, because, of course, you can quote John F. Kennedy and you could even quote to the founders to some extent about religious liberty.
00:41:39.000I would add, however, that when we look at the separation of church and state, I mean, this has no appearance in the Constitution.
00:41:45.000The closest thing we get is the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment.
00:41:49.000And, anyways, what we got from The founders on separation of church and state.
00:41:53.000I mean, this is one of the least understood characteristics of the founding principles of the country.
00:41:59.000People think that this was about keeping Christianity, keeping God out of government, keeping out of legislation and all the rest, when actually, it was nothing of the sort.
00:42:10.000The reason they had the separation of church and state was so as to not corrupt the church.
00:42:15.000Keeping the state out of the church would make it so that the church would be able to flourish more.
00:42:20.000And I think that actually, in any way, even if you interpret it the way that you are or the way that it's supposed to be, In any case, liberalism, liberty of conscience, as you called it, has led to a society that is completely degenerate, that has no morality.
00:42:34.000And so, you know, again, it just comes down to not what's happening right now.
00:43:00.000Okay, but see, this again is the problem with the state.
00:43:02.000There is no, the state cannot exist in a state of neutrality where it's simply saying nobody can fill the public space with their thoughts.
00:43:32.000This neutral space where people can make up their own minds, you get some other religion, whether it be humanism, the synagogue of Satan, liberalism, to fill the vacuum.
00:43:42.000And so this is where I come at it from an idea of I stopped being this kind of libertarian type a few years ago.
00:43:49.000I stopped believing that we could have something that is ideal or that is completely free or that is even approaching freedom.
00:43:57.000I said you have to make trade offs effectively.
00:43:59.000And what's going to be a better trade off?
00:44:01.000Everything has its excesses, but what's going to be a trade off that you can live with?
00:44:06.000This is not a trade off I can live with.
00:44:08.000I understand there are excesses to more religious minded law.
00:44:12.000There always is, and there's always things that are unfortunate and unjust in any system.
00:44:16.000But we have to think about what's preferable.
00:44:18.000Is it preferable to live in a society where we're trying our best to have liberty of conscience, but a more vicious and a more Machiavellian religion fills the void, humanism, et cetera?
00:44:30.000Or do we have something where it's still not a perfect system, but we don't have child drag queens and all the rest?
00:44:41.000How far would you go to enforce that sort of enforcement of catechism based morality?
00:44:47.000Because I think about how the Pope claims to be the vicar of Christ.
00:44:51.000And I think about how different his character is when you bear it to comparison of our Savior.
00:44:56.000Think of how when the Apostle John, when he was filled with anger at the Samaritan village and said, Lord, will thou that we command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, even as Elias did?
00:45:07.000And Jesus said, the Son of Man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.
00:45:12.000The way he got people in his movement was just to show the divine character of God manifested in his personality, in his speech, and his actions.
00:45:22.000I don't recall Jesus sending anyone to the stocks, to the torture chambers, or anything like the Inquisition in the past of Rome.
00:45:29.000So when you're saying what we're seeing today, what would I do about it?
00:45:55.000I mean, that seems to me as a fiction.
00:45:58.000I mean, I think that's basically not a real thing, or if it is, not something that's worth going for.
00:46:04.000And anyway, we have to introduce a little bit of focus here because we're kind of vacillating between a conversation about political theory, which is to say, What political system works best, and then vacillating between is the Pope the rightful vicar of Christ on earth, which are, of course, two entirely different conversations.
00:46:23.000And maybe it's useful that when one of them isn't working out, you flip over to the other.
00:46:27.000But I mean, which do you want to talk about?
00:46:29.000Do you want to talk about a political system or do you want to talk about the legitimacy of the Pope?
00:46:36.000Well, at least what you've proposed to me, it seems like you're trying to mix the two because you're saying.
00:46:42.000I think it's you that's trying because you came in initially.
00:46:54.000But again, you seem to be vacillating between that argument, which is should a government be informed by a religious doctrine?
00:47:03.000Should a government be informed by particularly the Catholic Church versus is the Catholic Church the rightful heir to Jesus Christ or the vicar of Christ on earth?
00:47:17.000Then I believe that basically government policy should be based off of secular truth, which, by the way, The word of God, which I believe to be truth, will always have secular evidence to support it.
00:47:53.000No, I reject the Septuagint and what the Catholic Church, its Latin translations, yes.
00:48:00.000But what I do accept is a direct definition.
00:48:03.000English translation from the original Hebrew and the Greek textus receptus, just because it's the closest to the source without actually knowing the original language.
00:48:11.000And as I was saying, if the word of God is true, which I believe it is, there will be secular evidence to support it.
00:48:17.000And you see in Leviticus where it says, if you touch a dead body, you need to put your hands in running water.
00:48:22.000And well, it just so happens a couple of thousand years later to get the scientific revolution, we discovered this thing called germs.
00:48:32.000If the moral principles taught by Christ, the prophets, the apostles are true, There is secular evidence to support that.
00:48:39.000And I just look at how I go, we need to save this for another discussion because you can look at large population differences in India, how the majority of the population is Hindu there.
00:48:51.000But there's a small region that's actually Christian in the southwest of that subcontinent that has the highest literacy rates in the countries, that actually has the highest standards of living, but because they're Christian.
00:49:02.000But you know, I'm not, you get what I'm saying.
00:49:04.000There is secular evidence for the morality that's pushed in the Bible.
00:49:08.000You shouldn't just say, Deus' fault, God wills it.
00:49:12.000Oh, that's definitely what that's definitely my argument, not a straw man.
00:49:16.000So, I so we've decided to we've chosen the argument is going to be about the legitimacy of the Pope as the vicar of Christ on earth or the successor to Peter.
00:49:25.000And I, you know, I've heard it all, I've heard Orthodox arguments, I've heard Protestant arguments, but I mean, you can read the gospel, and Jesus Christ says to Peter that he is the foundation of the church, he's the rock upon which I build the church.
00:49:51.000You can look at Peter as the most consequential figure out of all the apostles in the entire gospel.
00:49:58.000He's mentioned, I believe, more than all the other apostles combined.
00:50:02.000In the book of Acts, he does many different firsts.
00:50:06.000I forget all the particulars, but I mean, if you read the book of Acts, he figures most prominently.
00:50:10.000And so I think there's a strong biblical justification that Jesus Christ intended.
00:50:15.000That Peter and his successors would be the vicars of Christ on earth.
00:50:19.000And anyway, I think the fundamental problem we have with Protestantism without some secular authority on earth, or not secular, rather temporal authority on earth, there's no way to guarantee that we are interpreting the Word of God correctly.
00:50:38.000Because, you know, maybe if I were, I don't know, I might be inclined to agree with you that we could take the Word of God translated from the most original.
00:50:47.000In the, you know, translated somehow, we can trust that this translation is the best and this interpretation is the most correct.
00:50:53.000But what you have in the absence of an authority, and unity proceeds from one, never forget that.
00:50:58.000What you have in the absence of that is an endless disagreement, endless debate about who is actually correct.
00:51:04.000I mean, I believe you're a Seventh day Adventist, correct?
00:51:09.000Now, you have Seventh day Adventists, you have Pentecostals, you have Baptists, you have Mormons, you have Catholics, you have all different sects, and to me, thousands of denominations.
00:52:01.000You're saying a lot of things if you, mind me.
00:52:03.000Christ was a master of the Old Testament.
00:52:06.000He would respond to the Pharisees by quoting from the Old Testament.
00:52:09.000And I don't really remember him appealing to a higher power.
00:52:12.000And I see a lot of uncanny similarities to the religion of the Pharisees or the Jews to Catholicism today.
00:52:18.000But if you're talking about the apostolic succession, about Peter that said, upon this rock I will build my church, I implore you to read the entire chapter of Matthew 16 where Jesus asked him, Do you know what Jesus asked Simon in the context of that verse?
00:53:22.000And then he was changed to Peter, right?
00:53:24.000And if you look at the original Hebrew, Peter is a pun for rock.
00:53:28.000And you can say, and look, Jay Dyer said the same thing in the Orthodox debate, and he's much more informed than both of us on the early church fathers and all the rest.
00:53:38.000But he never convinced me that that interpretation was the wrong one.
00:53:43.000And then look, you could look at all the early church fathers who all agreed that the successor to Rome was the head of the church, down every single one of them.
00:53:51.000And all the other churches descended from apostles did as well the church in Antioch, the church in Alexandria.
00:53:57.000They all agreed that the bishop of Rome was the vicar of Christ on earth.
00:54:01.000And then at some point in the year 1000, the Orthodox Church, or in the 11th century, said, you know, this isn't totally working.
00:55:22.000I mean, are you going to say that Christianity?
00:55:25.000I mean, to me, that argument in favor almost proves my point, which is to say that we have to filter out everything else except for.
00:55:36.000I mean, can you really say that we're going to base our understanding of the divine on these two concepts, the nature of the God, which is similar, and also Sunday worship?
00:55:47.000I mean, that's the takeaway from Christ's coming.
00:55:50.000That's the two biggest practices that I see originated in Rome and is in a lot of nations today.
00:55:54.000And I will tell you, Seventh day Adventism isn't.
00:55:58.000Let's just say they're at enmity with Rome.
00:55:59.000Probably one of the most, the closest denominations I've seen to studying the origins of the papacy and its sort of influence throughout history.
00:56:51.000And so to me, he basically concedes that point when he says, well, you could talk about how they're all totally different and therefore they've watered down the religion beyond belief, but actually they have two big things in common.
00:57:23.000To me, you know, when you look at God and God's word, you have to take it seriously enough to say that we have to know what it is and that it is correct.
00:58:32.000Let's bring in, and also, I'm very influenced by De Maistre, who said that a state has to be founded on irrationality.
00:58:41.000Which I'm a big believer in that, because he said that if a state is founded on a constitution established through reason, well, then anybody could challenge it, anybody could question it.
00:58:52.000You could all authority established through reason, through rational means, can be delegitimized, can be challenged, questioned, etc.
00:59:04.000So De Maistre said that all countries have to be founded on basically unquestionable authority that's legitimacy derives from irrational authority.
00:59:13.000Ways, which would be religion, in the sense that you don't justify a religion through totally rational, totally reasoned means.
00:59:54.000But the, especially the complaints they have against the, you know, the church hierarchy in itself, because, you know, the Protestants aren't the real church.
01:00:04.000You know what we're talking about when we say the real church here.
01:00:08.000So the complaints they have against the papacy, the cardinals, their infiltration and their corruption, and historically their corruption within the church, and also the pagan complaints against the church.
01:00:30.000I mean, I read the gospel for the first time like a year and a half ago or two years ago, and I was just surprised at what was contained in it.
01:00:38.000You know, who were the number one antagonists, the number one adversaries of Jesus Christ?
01:02:08.000Which I don't subscribe to all of that.
01:02:10.000But they say Christianity is a part of this, this takedown of Western civilization.
01:02:14.000Well, if that were the case, then why wouldn't they be promoting Christianity?
01:02:18.000Why wouldn't we be more Christian as opposed to less Christian?
01:02:21.000You know, if the media, five out of six corporations that control 95%, if so the conspiracy goes, they were trying to take down the world and Christianity was the master plan, why wouldn't they be injecting it everywhere if that were slave morality?
01:02:35.000Both Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Or rather, be more apt to say the ethnic Han in China.
01:02:41.000If they wanted to take down America, they understand that Christianity is our strength.
01:04:01.000And that's basically what I've been saying.
01:04:03.000That vindicates what I've been saying on the show, which is that in response to nihilism, in response to modernism, naturally people will turn to the church.
01:04:14.000And I think that's a great anecdote you shared, which should give a lot of hope to people who say that, well, what are we really going to resurrect Christianity?
01:04:40.000I wanted to get your perspective on how the establishment is kind of very visibly shilling for Kavanaugh, but they're shilling for him in a weird way.
01:04:57.000But, like, what do you think about that?
01:04:59.000That these people who largely would be considered neocon or pro George Bush are now trying to pull away the Trump base from Kavanaugh?
01:05:08.000Yeah, it's very weird because, you know, earlier this week when we talked about the justices, there was this big push going on against Kavanaugh because he wasn't strong enough on abortion and it was going to be a big win if we got Barrett in because she's a woman and all this kind of stuff.
01:05:23.000But you're right now, you're seeing this weird push because.
01:05:26.000As you know, of course, as you say, he was in the Bush administration, or rather, he helped George W. Bush get along with the recount in 2000 and all the rest.
01:05:36.000I don't really know what to make of it.
01:05:37.000It's very confusing, but I look at the three cases with immigration and I say he's the most solid guy.
01:05:43.000So it's been very confusing because I've been hearing all kinds of contradictory things.
01:05:48.000Ann Coulter pushing really hard, Ben Shapiro kind of likes him, but some of the neocons like him because of his connections to Bush.
01:05:55.000And at the same time, they're saying, well, he's not good enough because he's not strong enough on abortion like Barrett.
01:05:59.000So I really can't make heads or tails of what other people are saying, but to me, I just look at those three very strong immigration rulings and I say, that's enough.
01:07:48.000You know, I used to have a book list up on my website, but you can't really access that anymore.
01:07:53.000Because I cleaned it up a whole lot for the premium stuff.
01:07:56.000But if I could recommend some books, that's a tough call because, I mean, people are just so underread these days, especially young people.
01:08:06.000I don't read a lot of fiction, so I'm not the best go to for fiction.
01:08:09.000But I would definitely recommend that you read the Bible.
01:08:34.000It's also a great practical tool for yourself.
01:08:37.000There's so much advice in the Bible, so much wisdom in the Bible that helps you with life and helps you see through on a daily basis things that you might have going on.
01:09:19.000Maybe Reflections on the Revolution in France by Burke.
01:09:22.000It's very frustrating because there's no chapters in it.
01:09:25.000So it's like you either read it in one go around or you just have to find natural stopping points.
01:09:29.000But That one is really fantastic for explaining, I think, like what a real, and it's a little bit, you know, it's not the most right wing thing you can find, but I think it'll give you a good idea of the basics of what it means to be right wing as opposed to be, you know, this free market Koch brother kind of a guy.
01:09:46.000So those would be my top three recs off the top of my head.
01:09:50.000Yeah, I'll order them right now, Nick.