America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - THOT WARS feat. Millennial Matt | America First Ep. 65

00:00:02.000 Good evening, everybody.

00:00:03.000 You are watching America First.

00:00:04.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes, and we have a great show for you tonight.

00:00:09.000 We have the Fought Wars debate between myself and Millennial Matt.

00:00:14.000 It's been brewing for a long time.

00:00:16.000 I know there's been a lot of controversy this week, but we're here to get it all sorted out. 0.83

00:00:21.000 We're here to resolve it like men, like white men, with a nice conversation, a nice dialogue. 0.85

00:00:26.000 Matt, how are you doing tonight? 0.99

00:00:28.000 I'm doing just fine.

00:00:30.000 How are you doing?

00:00:31.000 I am doing very well.

00:00:32.000 And let's check with our audience.

00:00:34.000 Let's check and make sure our sound is okay.

00:00:36.000 Let's make sure.

00:00:37.000 The technical is going well because often we start the debate sometimes and the technical is not in order.

00:00:43.000 So let's see what the unwashed masses are saying about the stream right now.

00:00:48.000 It looks like we're good so far.

00:00:51.000 I'm going to have to do the pop out chat so we can make sure my computer's running a little slow.

00:00:57.000 But so first, I want to establish just what exactly happened that caused this conversation because I know it happened very quickly before a lot of people, I think, knew exactly what was going on.

00:01:09.000 And a lot of people are.

00:01:11.000 I think confused about what the sides are in this debate, like what the issue is at the core of it and what the two sides are.

00:01:20.000 So, if you'll allow me, and tell me if this makes sense to you, tell me if this sounds right to you.

00:01:25.000 So, it started with Lauren Southern, where some, I think some lefty said something like, You hate Muslims now, but you dated a Muslim in whatever, when you were in high school.

00:01:37.000 And she responded something to the effect that, Well, that was different because.

00:01:42.000 He's a Trump supporter and a Christian, and he was half Irish and all that.

00:01:46.000 And people got very upset.

00:01:47.000 That was, I think, that was Act One.

00:01:49.000 Act Two was the Tara McCarthy incident, where I guess she was getting criticized very heavily. 1.00

00:01:55.000 She complained about it because she said, Feminism is not part of the conversation.

00:02:00.000 If you want women to be a voice for ethno nationalism, you can't criticize me in this fashion.

00:02:06.000 Deleted all her tweets, deleted her YouTube, protected her tweets, sent out these ultimatums, and I think.

00:02:14.000 That is everything, right?

00:02:15.000 Is that everything?

00:02:16.000 Do you think that is a fair assessment of the substance of this event?

00:02:23.000 Yeah, it seems to be.

00:02:25.000 There are other malicious attacks going on on various image boards and stuff like that, but I think that's the general gist of everything, yeah.

00:02:36.000 Okay, solid.

00:02:38.000 Because often with these things, there are so many different people and events, and we forget what we're talking about.

00:02:44.000 So if we talk about these two instances in particular, I'm going to speak for me.

00:02:47.000 I'm not going to speak for, you know, like Irony Bro Twitter or Nasbull Twitter or anything like this, but just state my position because I think maybe you don't quite understand it because you were on the stream last night and there was some confusion about it.

00:03:00.000 Or actually, do you want to go first or do you want me to go first?

00:03:03.000 I'm being a little rude just jumping into it, but do you want to go first?

00:03:07.000 Yeah, sure.

00:03:08.000 Okay, then you can take it away.

00:03:10.000 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:03:11.000 I think there is a bit of confusion on my part on your general stance on the whole subject, but.

00:03:21.000 My general understanding is that very recently there were a few female political talking heads that took the leap from center right to ethno nationalist.

00:03:39.000 And I believe a lot of these attacks on specific women within the movement are unwarranted.

00:03:47.000 I think in the case for Lauren Southern, I think there's a bit more.

00:03:53.000 To talk about there.

00:03:54.000 And I won't really counter signal much of that.

00:03:56.000 But in terms of the Tara McCarthy thing, I think it is, I think the attacks on her are unwarranted.

00:04:06.000 And I think ganging up on these girls for not having a child or being a trad thought or whatever, I think it's overall detrimental.

00:04:19.000 I think that we need women in our movement to grow.

00:04:23.000 I think women are going to be a strong part of the movement as we grow.

00:04:27.000 And I think pushing them out would be a fatal mistake. 0.97

00:04:32.000 Okay.

00:04:32.000 Yeah.

00:04:33.000 And that's fair.

00:04:34.000 I think that's fair.

00:04:36.000 And I don't think there's really a lot of disagreement in terms of women being an asset to the movement in the sense that they make content, you know, sure.

00:04:46.000 And for a lot of people, like Tara McCarthy's content, people watch her content, they enjoy it, people believe they're bringing people into the fold.

00:04:54.000 And it would be a mistake to.

00:04:56.000 To push them out, make them unwelcome.

00:04:59.000 And I would counter that by saying I don't believe this side is so concerned about the issue of women in the alt right.

00:05:06.000 I think that tends to be kind of the subject of the grievance, but the overall grievance is more about tone.

00:05:14.000 I think the overall grievance is more about the seriousness of the issue, in the sense that many people criticized Lawrence Southern and Faith Goldie and Tara McCarthy.

00:05:25.000 And I'm good friends with all of them, or at least.

00:05:28.000 Maybe formerly, I don't know how they feel about this whole incident, but I went on Lauren Southern's live stream.

00:05:33.000 I went on Tara McCarthy's live stream.

00:05:35.000 Faith Goldie's been on Nationalist Review, and I like all of them.

00:05:38.000 I think they're smart people.

00:05:39.000 I think they have much to contribute.

00:05:41.000 I think the grievance comes in when there are these criticisms that people have, and this weekend, because Tara McCarthy demanded that this be shut down because she's getting pushed out, and you basically can't criticize feminism if you want women in here.

00:05:58.000 And men were quick to rush to her defense and kind of, I guess, tone police everybody and say, and, you know, get all serious, put their hands on their hips and say, okay, everybody, we need to be respecting our women, all right?

00:06:12.000 No jokes a lot about women.

00:06:14.000 And that's really where I came from on this issue as well, because I do believe these people are an asset.

00:06:20.000 I don't know if they consider themselves in the same movement.

00:06:22.000 Certainly, it varies based on the personality we're talking about, but I certainly see them as an asset.

00:06:27.000 But, I mean, my initial reaction was.

00:06:30.000 Why is everybody being such a hard on about this?

00:06:33.000 Why are all these men rushing to the defense of somebody who got trolled a little bit, got very upset about it, and made a lot of rash and impulsive decisions?

00:06:44.000 I mean, I always use the example with these people, and I'll ask you this question.

00:06:49.000 If a man was getting trolled, a man like myself, for example, if a man was getting trolled because of some personal feature or something that they've said in a given debate, and in response that man said, I'm deleting all my tweets.

00:07:03.000 I'm deleting my YouTube.

00:07:04.000 I'm protecting my account.

00:07:06.000 And I'm going to go around DMing people saying, if you don't disavow, if you believe in criticizing me, I can't work with you.

00:07:14.000 I mean, would that be defensible behavior if I were a man?

00:07:17.000 Would you defend that behavior if I was a man?

00:07:19.000 Or if a man did that behavior, rather?

00:07:24.000 No, no, no.

00:07:25.000 I don't think anybody would.

00:07:26.000 Okay.

00:07:27.000 Yeah.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:30.000 Yeah, no, I think we agree on most everything.

00:07:34.000 Okay.

00:07:36.000 And so, my general idea of your position, you know, mostly was formed last night during that live stream with, you know, all the irony bros.

00:07:47.000 And, you know, I think critiquing women on their political philosophy, I think, you know, we need to critique everybody on that.

00:07:58.000 But, you know, it seems like a lot of these attacks are superficial, you know, about like facial features, boobs, whether or not you have children yet.

00:08:09.000 And, yeah, you know, women within the alt right, they're going to be attacked.

00:08:16.000 And I think, you know, they need to grow some. 0.61

00:08:19.000 Some thick skin if they expect to be in this for the long haul.

00:08:22.000 And so I think we agree on that at least.

00:08:27.000 Because that's, I mean, I think that's the concern of the serious people on the subject matter is the fact that there seems to be this double standard where, you know, I get criticized all day long.

00:08:27.000 Okay, yeah, that's good.

00:08:38.000 I mean, you could say not having kids is a superficial thing, but I think for a lot of people that is important because if people are giving their money to a commentator or they're supporting a commentator, they're going out in a rally or something to support these people.

00:08:53.000 And they're preaching one message about the importance of certain values, and they're preaching the importance of doing certain things, and they're behaving a very different way in their own life.

00:09:02.000 I don't know that's so superficial.

00:09:04.000 And look, as a Christian, as somebody who talks about optics a lot, I get called on that all the time.

00:09:09.000 Is this necessarily optical?

00:09:11.000 Is this necessarily, you say you're a Catholic, you want to appeal to Catholics in Wisconsin?

00:09:16.000 Is talking about Catboys a good idea? 0.96

00:09:19.000 And I say, whatever.

00:09:21.000 I shrug it off.

00:09:22.000 And I think a lot of people take issue with this. 1.00

00:09:26.000 Women in general, because what happens is they have these behaviors, and there can be no real hierarchy in the movement because the beta orbiters rush to their defense. 0.93

00:09:36.000 Whereas in a regular, in an all male movement, it would kind of naturally sort itself out, and that behavior would be weeded out and looked down upon with women. 0.62

00:09:44.000 The effect is that you have the weaker men saying, No, no, we have to prop them up. 0.85

00:09:48.000 We can't force them out.

00:09:49.000 So I think we agree on that.

00:09:52.000 Where exactly then is the disagreement?

00:09:56.000 On tone, and I think we generally agree that women are an asset to an extent for the movement.

00:10:00.000 Where is the disagreement?

00:10:05.000 I don't know.

00:10:06.000 I think some of the disagreements might be coming from general alignment with various characters that would call themselves Naz Bowl.

00:10:19.000 I think the MGTOW crew. 0.71

00:10:22.000 I think there's a lot of toxicity within.

00:10:26.000 Those aspects of, I don't know what you want to call them.

00:10:31.000 And I don't think any of this has necessarily been too helpful.

00:10:36.000 I would even disagree on calling Lauren Southern out for her past, because people change, right?

00:10:44.000 And although it seems superficial, in my opinion, as opposed to critiquing her on her political philosophy or the fact that she's in Europe.

00:11:00.000 Defending Europe as opposed to defending North America.

00:11:03.000 I think there are important things that we should be talking about in regards to various characters within the movement.

00:11:12.000 I think trolling, although I troll all the time, I just think taking sides with NASBOL and MGTOW, I just think it's a mistake.

00:11:28.000 That's why I didn't jump on that whole thing.

00:11:30.000 I've got personal. 0.99

00:11:32.000 Political differences with a couple of these women. 1.00

00:11:35.000 But I'm not going to go around saying, oh, fuck them, they got blacked. 1.00

00:11:42.000 I think there's some stronger critiques to be made, and they're just not being made. 1.00

00:11:47.000 We're shitting on each other for superficial bullshit. 0.98

00:11:51.000 And like I said before, people change. 1.00

00:11:53.000 I used to be a leftist.

00:11:54.000 I think most people my age are like, grow up a leftist or whatever.

00:12:01.000 I used to work for international charities that built schools for little black kids in Africa.

00:12:06.000 And I'm a different person today than I was three years ago. 0.99

00:12:10.000 And so I think digging up old shit on people. 0.96

00:12:12.000 When they've been an overall benefit to the movement, you know, I don't really see much positive. 0.99

00:12:17.000 I don't see what we're gaining from that.

00:12:19.000 Well, I don't think anybody's saying you can't change.

00:12:22.000 And the Lauren Southern is an exception, I think, only because I'm not exempting her or exonerating her for the behavior, but I am saying that, you know, in that particular case, you have a 17 year old girl. 0.67

00:12:35.000 Doesn't make it right.

00:12:36.000 And it doesn't make it right that she defended it either.

00:12:39.000 You know, maybe we have different values on that, but I think people are led to believe that.

00:12:44.000 She maybe had a different approach on that.

00:12:46.000 And I don't exonerate her in my eyes.

00:12:50.000 You know, you can make a mistake, but then, I mean, she did defend it, and that's a little bit different.

00:12:54.000 But, I mean, people make mistakes.

00:12:56.000 People make mistakes, and there are these disagreements.

00:12:58.000 But my overall problem is, you know, you can have people critiquing each other on superficial things. 0.83

00:13:03.000 I think it kind of begs the case for a male space in politics if women are driving this disagreement.

00:13:12.000 Like, if somebody called me ugly, You know, if there was like a concerted effort in the alt right to say, like, Nick likes Catboys, you know, Nick talks about Catboys too much, and I lost my marbles about this, and I demand this be brought to the forefront and people defend me, I mean, that would be a case for why I shouldn't, you know, if I can't take the heat like that, if I can't take the heat about the superficial stuff,

00:13:36.000 if I'm going to take regular ball busting that is like what founded this movement and turn it into a massive deal, and we're not talking about immigration and we're not talking about.

00:13:47.000 What happened today with Jerusalem, but we're instead talking about, you know, leave women alone basically. 0.50

00:13:52.000 I mean, doesn't that kind of beg the question, like, what is the utility?

00:13:56.000 I mean, maybe they're making videos, sure, but when push comes to shove and they're forcing an issue about superficial attacks, I mean, doesn't that kind of get you an insight into where the criticism comes from?

00:14:10.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.77

00:14:11.000 You know, I can see the justification in criticizing somebody who can't take a punch, you know, at Politics is a man's game, and if women want to play it, they got to step up to the plate. 0.98

00:14:27.000 Yeah, and I totally understand. 0.99

00:14:31.000 Yeah, no, I understand that.

00:14:33.000 I think we agree on most.

00:14:37.000 I see if a lot of our political leaders, a lot of our talking heads, I think if a lot of these guys are jumping on the bandwagon, jumping on something that was started by. 1.00

00:14:49.000 A bunch of Nazbol kids, you know. 1.00

00:14:53.000 I think that's a mistake. 1.00

00:14:54.000 I just think it would have been better off left alone by, you know, some of the more influential characters within the movement.

00:15:02.000 But don't you kind of see the hypocrisy in that?

00:15:05.000 I mean, you're not really saying at once, like, I agree with the core argument, I agree with the central argument, but at the same time, I also kind of want to have it my way.

00:15:16.000 Sure, women should grow a thicker skin, but also nobody should be criticizing them superficially because it's counterproductive.

00:15:23.000 Well, And then you attack the character.

00:15:26.000 I mean, you're not really addressing the argument. 0.59

00:15:27.000 You say, well, it's Nazbol kids and MGTOW that started. 0.91

00:15:30.000 And then those are not good guys. 1.00

00:15:31.000 And I can't help, I have to ask this.

00:15:34.000 I know, you know, you might see this as like a sore spot or like a low blow, and I hope it's not.

00:15:38.000 But I think many people would ask this question. 0.95

00:15:41.000 You go on live streams and you bring up the Nazi flag and you go around saying Hitler did nothing wrong, and then you say, like, we shouldn't take these people seriously or this opinion seriously because they're Nazbol. 0.93

00:15:53.000 And I mean, can you just explain that for me? 0.85

00:15:56.000 I'm not trying to make that like a dig.

00:15:58.000 I know you're like a comedian and that's like a thing.

00:16:00.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:02.000 So, and that's sort of like my personal story that not a lot of people understand.

00:16:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:08.000 You know, the alt right seemed to have found me.

00:16:12.000 Like, I didn't go looking for them, and I didn't even really know who they were.

00:16:16.000 Until I. My personal goal was to basically blow the lid off of what I perceive to be one of the greatest lies in history, which is I don't believe the Holocaust necessarily happened the way they say it did. 0.79

00:16:35.000 And so, you know, I took it upon myself to become a public, you know, Holocaust revisionist.

00:16:43.000 And so this is, and this all happened well before I knew even Richard Spencer, I knew you, I knew.

00:16:51.000 You know, optics.

00:16:52.000 I didn't understand any of that.

00:16:54.000 I wasn't a part of it.

00:16:55.000 I wasn't a part of this whole, you know, greater, ambiguous alt right movement.

00:17:00.000 I was personally driven by blowing the lid off of what I perceive as the greatest lies in all of history.

00:17:07.000 And so, you know, when it comes to the optics question, I'm definitely not the best optics.

00:17:16.000 But to my defense, you know, that was never a thought of mine until, you know, I realized there was a greater movement going on.

00:17:24.000 And so, I have had to personally change a lot of things about myself and about my public character and things like that.

00:17:33.000 And so, yeah, that's where all that comes from.

00:17:38.000 But to sort of stay on the same note, if we're going to talk about optics, what about the optics of last night? 0.90

00:17:47.000 Hanging out with a bunch of gamer bros who were talking shit about your very good friend and business partner, James Alsop. 0.90

00:17:54.000 I didn't hear you defending him at all. 0.98

00:17:57.000 All I basically heard were ad hominem attacks and giggles.

00:18:00.000 And I personally found that to be rather not so nice.

00:18:08.000 Sure.

00:18:08.000 Well, and I think that's fair.

00:18:10.000 And the reason why I asked is because I think a lot of people would say, you know, you wave the Nazi flag, but you attack the Nazi.

00:18:17.000 And that is not an argument that I would make, but I would feel remiss if I didn't ask because it would be something that would stick out.

00:18:24.000 With regards to the live stream last night, and not to get away from the topic at hand.

00:18:31.000 What happened last night was, I think, symptomatic of the entire debate.

00:18:36.000 I think it was physiognomic of the entire debate in the sense that the attacks that were being leveled against James were, he has Down syndrome. 0.99

00:18:45.000 I mean, and I said joking, you know, it was said jokingly, he's dumb. 0.95

00:18:50.000 And I jokingly said, I disavow he's a good guy. 0.98

00:18:53.000 You know, I don't know if that warranted.

00:18:55.000 If they were saying something like a serious attack, if they were saying, James is a bad guy, James is, you know, whatever, he's.

00:19:03.000 It was a serious attack, but I mean, they were the equivalent of Beardson talking to women and saying, debate me, you know, post tummy.

00:19:09.000 I mean, to me, it was meme tier, meme tier negging, and it warranted a meme tier response.

00:19:18.000 And I think if I had responded with an indignant, you cannot insult my partner, how dare you joke about my partner?

00:19:24.000 I think that would be lie, kind of the fundamental point of the entire debate, which is that we seem to be getting away from the core, the roots of our movement, which is shitposting, which is being funny, keeping it funny, laughing at ourselves, not taking ourselves too seriously.

00:19:42.000 And Tara McCarthy violated those rules, and men coming to her defense violated those rules.

00:19:48.000 You know, the people that are out there, you let them win.

00:19:51.000 The irony, bros, if you don't like them that much, don't get mad at them.

00:19:55.000 I mean, Beardson, when he's saying, if, you know, James doesn't debate me, he has Down syndrome, and you get really, really mad about it, you know, guess what?

00:20:04.000 That's really not going to be extremely effective.

00:20:06.000 And I think that's kind of what the debate is springing from.

00:20:10.000 And the more people get serious about it, the more people like Millennial Woes comment these like apocalyptic, very short, very incisive remarks at me.

00:20:21.000 You're dividing the movement.

00:20:22.000 You're hurting the community.

00:20:24.000 I think the more it feeds this, this like, ah, you know, screw off kind of mindset in the alt right.

00:20:29.000 And now, look, I'm just giving voice to that because I came from that.

00:20:33.000 I know you came from that, you know, that joking kind of a mindset.

00:20:36.000 And I think in this drive to institutionalize, in this drive to, like, I don't know, when at some point we passed a certain number of subscribers and everybody decided, like, the things that we tweet are impacting politics, like, our platform is like, I don't know, far more important than it is.

00:20:56.000 I think we've really lost sight of who we are.

00:20:58.000 And that kind of taking ourselves too seriously, I think that's what it's about.

00:21:01.000 It's sort of like the Civil War.

00:21:02.000 You know, the Civil War wasn't about slavery.

00:21:04.000 The Civil War was about states' rights.

00:21:06.000 In the same sense that this argument is not so much about women in the alt right.

00:21:09.000 I mean, to an extent, that's the subject matter.

00:21:11.000 But moreover, it's about who are we?

00:21:14.000 Are we these like tone policing, serious people?

00:21:18.000 Like we just can't make certain jokes.

00:21:21.000 Sorry, Thought Patrol Nick and James.

00:21:23.000 You can't make certain jokes.

00:21:24.000 You can't make light of certain situations.

00:21:26.000 You're going to be driving out the people with the big subs that are bringing in people who, you know, I don't know, they are milquetoast on opposing immigration.

00:21:34.000 I mean, do you see where we're coming from on that?

00:21:38.000 Yeah, no, I see where you're coming from.

00:21:39.000 You know, my general understanding of your position was sort of, I guess, I figured that you were aligning with, you know, these MGTOW, Gamer Bro, Irony Bro, You know, guys that were basically saying, you know, women have no place in alt right politics.

00:22:00.000 They have no place in political commentary. 0.79

00:22:03.000 They shouldn't be a part of it whatsoever.

00:22:06.000 You know, and so if that was the point that you were trying to make, I would strongly disagree.

00:22:11.000 And although I do agree that in a perfect world, they wouldn't have, you know, they wouldn't even have the right to vote in my perfect world.

00:22:21.000 But, you know, if that was your, you know, Your standing standpoint, I wouldn't agree with that whatsoever.

00:22:31.000 And so, that's when I look on, when I look through these threads, that's what I'm seeing.

00:22:36.000 I'm seeing majority of the comments are folks simply saying we should not be listening to these women.

00:22:43.000 We need to get rid of them. 1.00

00:22:44.000 We need to push them out. 1.00

00:22:46.000 And so, you know, it may have started as this jokingly, you know, oh, Lauren Southern got blacked, you know, but it has very quickly evolved into this straight up like, Women have no place in political commentary. 1.00

00:23:01.000 We need to not listen to them. 0.99

00:23:03.000 We need to push them out, which, you know, I would say that's a mistake.

00:23:08.000 And so that's my understanding of the whole situation. 0.99

00:23:12.000 Well, I just think the issue is like, you know, for example, on the live stream last night, Kantbot, he said, if there are going to be women in the ethnostate, F the ethnostate.

00:23:21.000 And he was obviously joking.

00:23:23.000 You know, it was a joke.

00:23:25.000 I don't believe, maybe they do.

00:23:27.000 Maybe they are against women in the movement.

00:23:28.000 Maybe they are unironically.

00:23:30.000 But I think a big part of having, even if they are serious about it or if they're being ironic, I mean, that's kind of the thing with irony, bros.

00:23:36.000 But regardless of whether they're serious or not, they have a place in the movement too, in the sense that people are going to say dumb stuff that you're going to disagree with.

00:23:44.000 And that's very different.

00:23:46.000 Between online and in real life.

00:23:49.000 If it were like a major figure, if it were somebody going on the news and saying, like, women have no place, you're not welcome, we don't want women to join our cause, women should not be in our cause, that would be a different story.

00:24:03.000 I would be saying, that's probably not politically sensible, but there is a fine line between the movement online, which is a source of our strength in the sense it is disparate, it's spread out, there's no rules, and in a sense, there's no accountability.

00:24:17.000 It's kind of like blockchain.

00:24:18.000 Well, that's kind of, that's not really apropos, but you know what I mean.

00:24:21.000 I mean, it's all out there, so nobody can really pin it and say, well, the alt right said this online because you could say that's just, that's an anonymous user.

00:24:28.000 Who is that?

00:24:29.000 Right.

00:24:30.000 I mean, you also have that coordination, that spontaneous order.

00:24:33.000 And to say that, like, they're pushing people out of the movement, what will be the effect of a bunch of people saying Lauren Southern shouldn't be in the movement?

00:24:42.000 Nothing.

00:24:42.000 I mean, they can not watch her videos, they can not donate to her.

00:24:47.000 But, like, nobody's going to get pushed out of the movement because.

00:24:50.000 People are complaining on Twitter.

00:24:51.000 People complain about me on Twitter.

00:24:53.000 There are people on Twitter who say I'm Jewish.

00:24:55.000 There are people on Twitter who say I'm a Fed.

00:24:57.000 And I don't like go around DMing people and saying, like, hey, James, if you're okay with calling your own people Jewish, if you're okay with calling your own people Feds or nasty names, sorry, but it's over.

00:25:11.000 I mean, it would collapse.

00:25:12.000 You have to have this internet space which is unregulated, which is funny, which is fun.

00:25:19.000 And you're right.

00:25:20.000 I mean, if it turns up, That's having a horrible effect and it's tearing the community apart, and people are weeping in the streets, and women are really hurting.

00:25:32.000 I might agree with you, but I think this is a natural part of the movement.

00:25:35.000 We have to let it be.

00:25:37.000 We just have to let it be.

00:25:38.000 Let Beardson be Beardson. 0.93

00:25:39.000 Let Kantbot be Kantbot. 0.93

00:25:42.000 And to try and nanny them, okay, listen, guys, we've had our fun, but now we have a certain number of subs, and you're killing us, okay? 0.55

00:25:52.000 And look, I understand Faith Goldie and Lauren Southern and Tara McCarthy.

00:25:56.000 They get a lot of criticism, and I'm sure it's very difficult to deal with.

00:26:01.000 I have 17,000 followers.

00:26:03.000 They have hundreds of thousands of followers, at least in the case of Lauren Southern. 0.86

00:26:07.000 Both Faith and Tara have more than me, they have more subs than me. 1.00

00:26:11.000 And I imagine they probably get a lot more trolling, and because they're women and the personal situation, they probably get a lot more trolling in the sense that they're not married.

00:26:21.000 And I get that, and we're there to support them.

00:26:24.000 We're there for them. 0.63

00:26:25.000 If they want to DM us and say, you know, I'm having a tough time, as a Christian, I would be remiss to say, like, F off, woman, you have no place in this movie.

00:26:33.000 That would never happen.

00:26:35.000 I would say, you know, wow, that's really hard.

00:26:38.000 I would give them words of encouragement.

00:26:39.000 But, you know, to go around and like to redefine who we are because people are a little bit upset, you know, it goes back to maybe that's just not the game.

00:26:50.000 Maybe that kind of proves the point that we need role models that are in the home.

00:26:54.000 That are doing these motherly things, maybe they wouldn't be getting so much criticism.

00:26:57.000 I don't know. 1.00

00:26:59.000 But I like those ladies. 1.00

00:27:01.000 I think they're great and they should stay in the movement. 1.00

00:27:03.000 But I mean, people should be allowed to speak their mind.

00:27:05.000 Nobody's beyond criticism.

00:27:07.000 Yeah.

00:27:07.000 I mean, you know, if you look at one of the people that started, you know, the shitposting in Florence Southern, which, you know, I don't really have much to say about that.

00:27:18.000 She is explicitly Nazbol, she's explicitly anti white, and she's explicitly anti alt right. 0.82

00:27:24.000 And last night, a couple of the guys on that podcast that, you know, you're having a grand old time with are explicitly alt right, explicitly anti white as well, and could very well be Nazbol themselves.

00:27:39.000 Just like the girl that was doxxed last night who started the whole thing. 0.98

00:27:44.000 And so when I see somebody like yourself, who is extremely influential within this small movement, this small growing movement, sort of take sides with these guys, and you could have, look, shitposting is shitposting. 0.83

00:27:58.000 I get that. 0.95

00:27:59.000 These girls need to grow thick skin. 1.00

00:28:01.000 I agree, they have to. 0.62

00:28:04.000 But when somebody like yourself, an influential talking head from the alt right, is making bed friends with.

00:28:12.000 NASBOL, anti white, anti alt right trolls, I think that's where this conversation needed to be had.

00:28:22.000 I think that's why people are pissed off.

00:28:25.000 I think that's why people are choosing sides.

00:28:29.000 I see this as an explicit attack against alt right, ethno nationalists, and white identity advocates.

00:28:37.000 That's what I see this as.

00:28:38.000 And the information gathered last night proves that.

00:28:43.000 So, I mean, you really don't disagree with the substance, though.

00:28:46.000 I mean, you keep saying there's no disagreement.

00:28:51.000 I don't.

00:28:52.000 But.

00:28:52.000 So, you don't disagree.

00:28:54.000 So, the message that's coming from the Nasbol, LARPers, and like what I'm saying, I mean, you just disagree with. 0.53

00:29:02.000 I mean, you just don't like the Beardson crowd, essentially, right? 0.63

00:29:05.000 It just comes down to you don't like the Honeypot Studios.

00:29:10.000 I don't think they're ideological.

00:29:11.000 I think these are people that are.

00:29:13.000 That goof around.

00:29:14.000 I don't think, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think like Paul Town and Beardson, like when I talk to them on Twitter and they talk about like Gamergate still and they talk about, I don't know, all the crazy stuff that goes on over there.

00:29:27.000 I don't know.

00:29:28.000 I mean, is there like an anti white agenda there?

00:29:31.000 I see a couple of people, and I know people don't like them.

00:29:31.000 I don't see it.

00:29:34.000 I know there's been a lot of controversy surrounding them and not to defend that reaction.

00:29:39.000 I'm not going to name them, but a couple of them have said multiple times explicitly anti alt right, anti white.

00:29:48.000 Things on numerous occasions.

00:29:49.000 What anti white things?

00:29:50.000 I mean, can you give me an example of an anti white thing one of them has said?

00:29:54.000 You know, I mean, most of it's trolling, but I mean, most of it I think comes from the fact that, you know, one of these guys was kicked out of Identity Europa.

00:30:02.000 I think there's a lot of resentment for, you know, this growing movement that he has basically been barred from being a part of.

00:30:10.000 So it's about hubris.

00:30:12.000 Yeah, it could be, you know.

00:30:14.000 And I think he's a nice guy.

00:30:16.000 I just, you know, it. 0.98

00:30:19.000 It gets to a point where when you're tweeting out literally, you know, I hope the white race dies and shit like that, you know, and sure, it might be trolling and stuff, but, you know, when that guy, you know, along with his NASBOL friends are damaging the movement, fracturing the movement, and then calling, you know, your friend a Down syndrome, you know, retard or whatever, you know, I just, I personally, 0.97

00:30:47.000 I don't find that, I don't really find it funny, to be honest. 0.99

00:30:52.000 I mean, that's just, I mean, this all just sounds, this all just sounds very gay, to be very honest. 1.00

00:30:57.000 It sounds pretty gay. 0.97

00:30:58.000 It sounds pretty gay. 0.70

00:30:59.000 This is like, you know, when I went on the stream, and I haven't gotten a chance to call James. 1.00

00:31:04.000 I was going to give him a call before the show, but I fell asleep, didn't sleep last night.

00:31:08.000 I was going to give him a call.

00:31:09.000 But, I mean, if I had known that this was such a serious gripe, I mean, I see Beardson.

00:31:15.000 I've known Beardson for a couple of years on Twitter.

00:31:19.000 And, I mean, he's funny.

00:31:21.000 He's not a political figure.

00:31:23.000 I don't think he's like a self anointed influencer.

00:31:26.000 I don't think he thinks very much of his voice or anything.

00:31:29.000 And so when I see Beardson saying, Debate me, bro. 1.00

00:31:32.000 Debate me, or you're retarded. 0.99

00:31:34.000 And I'm getting called. 0.99

00:31:36.000 I'm getting called because I didn't say, like, hey, leave James alone.

00:31:42.000 I mean, I understand in retrospect, and I will say this for a little public reconciliation, for a little public humility, I will say that if I misread the situation, if I had known that James was sensitive, it doesn't matter.

00:32:00.000 It doesn't matter if he's taking it too seriously.

00:32:03.000 It doesn't matter if.

00:32:04.000 You know, they were joking or not.

00:32:04.000 Right.

00:32:06.000 If he felt that way, I shouldn't have gone on.

00:32:09.000 And that was a misjudgment of the situation.

00:32:11.000 That was a misreading of the situation.

00:32:13.000 And, you know, we'll probably talk about that later.

00:32:15.000 I think we agree on most everything.

00:32:18.000 I think we both agree women are important in this movement, right?

00:32:22.000 I think we agree that women need to grow some thicker skin and they need to, you know, be able to take some verbal punches, right? 0.53

00:32:30.000 Right. 0.98

00:32:31.000 I think we agree on most everything.

00:32:34.000 So, what do we disagree on?

00:32:36.000 Well, I mean, you're kind of calling me out.

00:32:38.000 You said it's not good for an influencer like me to go on a live stream with Sean, essentially, with hubris, because hubris is hurting the movement.

00:32:49.000 I mean, he got kicked out of Identity Europa for a reason.

00:32:51.000 I don't know what he did, but he doesn't know what he did either.

00:32:55.000 He's been explicitly anti alt right, anti white, anti identity politics.

00:32:59.000 I don't know.

00:33:01.000 I just think people take themselves a little too seriously.

00:33:05.000 I've always liked Sean because he's funny.

00:33:07.000 You know, I don't really.

00:33:08.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:33:09.000 I agree.

00:33:09.000 I don't really mind so much his personal opinions or whatever.

00:33:14.000 And in all fairness, I mean, you have to look at what happened to his life, what happened to him.

00:33:18.000 And I think there's a lot of evidence to support the claim that the person he accuses did.

00:33:24.000 And I don't want to go out on a limb either way because I, you know, I wasn't involved.

00:33:28.000 It really wasn't my gripe.

00:33:31.000 And I haven't seen all the evidence.

00:33:32.000 You know, a lot of it is on Twitter, so a lot of it doesn't exist because of suspended accounts and, you know, people don't screen grab everything.

00:33:38.000 But.

00:33:39.000 I mean, I think it's fair to look at a situation where, I mean, the guy's life was ruined.

00:33:44.000 And I think he believes, and many people believe, that that was as a result of very specific people.

00:33:50.000 And people, instead of saying, I mean, this is really the unfortunate part.

00:33:55.000 I think people are more sympathetic to, like, Tara getting called out for not having kids than they are to DSA hubris or Sean for, like, getting his life ruined.

00:34:06.000 And, you know, maybe he's accusing the wrong person.

00:34:08.000 I don't know.

00:34:09.000 I. Like I said, I wasn't involved, but I mean, can we have a little sympathy?

00:34:12.000 Can we understand why he might feel this way?

00:34:14.000 I mean, can we understand some of the toxic elements in the movement that led to this feeling?

00:34:19.000 Yeah, no, I believe so.

00:34:21.000 Yeah, yeah, I think so.

00:34:24.000 All right, well, I think that's fair.

00:34:25.000 I think that's, I think as long as we're acknowledging where everybody's at, I don't like, to me, a lot of this is goofy.

00:34:34.000 I think we agree on a lot of this stuff, it's a lot of personal like things going on in between.

00:34:41.000 And I think as long as we can just kind of empathize with the fact that, like, you know, maybe Sean says things that are counterproductive.

00:34:48.000 I mean, that sure, okay.

00:34:50.000 Some of it's trolling.

00:34:50.000 Maybe a lot of it's counterproductive if he has a following.

00:34:53.000 But I mean, if we can understand why that is, like what caused that to happen, and if certain people are inflaming those, if certain people are picking at those old scabs unprovoked and launching into those debates and going into it, I mean, that's not really helpful either.

00:35:10.000 So I just think, you know, we got to go back to she will not divide us.

00:35:17.000 We can't let them divide the homies. 0.98

00:35:19.000 You know, Matt, we go back to Charlottesville. 0.99

00:35:22.000 We hung out in a hotel room after we were about to get arrested by the National Guard, and now.

00:35:27.000 Now, here we are bickering over, you know, you shouldn't be able to call women ugly, basically.

00:35:33.000 We gotta come together and say, you know what?

00:35:36.000 This is our movement.

00:35:37.000 We define, and I don't mean that in terms of men, I mean in terms of we, the people here, will decide the fate of this movement.

00:35:45.000 And we're not going to get torn apart by like this silly, goofy drama.

00:35:50.000 But I mean, this did need to happen.

00:35:51.000 I think this conversation did need to happen.

00:35:53.000 And I'm glad that it did.

00:35:54.000 I think there was a lot of bad blood.

00:35:56.000 And to get it out in the open and kind of say, Where we are, I think, was helpful.

00:36:02.000 Yeah, yeah, no, I agree.

00:36:03.000 And, you know, I mean, I love your show.

00:36:06.000 I love you.

00:36:07.000 You're a great guy.

00:36:08.000 And, I mean, you're a young guy.

00:36:11.000 You're going to be here for a long time, hopefully.

00:36:13.000 Unless Mossad has something to do with it.

00:36:13.000 Hopefully.

00:36:15.000 That's right.

00:36:16.000 And so, yeah, you know, I think the majority of the movements on the internet, the majority of it's anonymous. 0.90

00:36:24.000 And it's kind of like when you're in traffic, you can flip off a guy, and, you know, nine times out of ten, he's not going to get out and beat the shit out of you.

00:36:32.000 But, you know, I think people, I think the majority of the movement's extremely young. 0.75

00:36:39.000 And I think a lot of these young people are looking for a leader.

00:36:42.000 And they're looking for somebody to give them some guidance.

00:36:46.000 And I think, you know, in regards to the woman question, I think somebody needs to step up and, you know, lead the way, I guess. 0.98

00:36:57.000 And I think I personally believe that if you're a woman and you're in this thing, you've got to grow some thick skin.

00:37:04.000 You got to be able to, you know, if somebody calls you ugly or fat, you either got to, you know, come back with something quick or just, you know, don't respond or whatever.

00:37:13.000 But, you know, I think women in this movement are extremely important.

00:37:18.000 I think women make us a whole lot more attractive to prospect, you know, audience members or whatever.

00:37:28.000 I think that, you know, I think there's a lot of confusion around the subject and I think we're in agreement that.

00:37:36.000 You know, women are very helpful to the growth and expansion of this budding movement that we have.

00:37:43.000 Yeah, well, I mean, I think you do agree with me, don't you?

00:37:48.000 I like the women that are in our, I like them on a personal level, but on a principal level, you know, I have to say that, you know, if we've retired on a lot of, we've come to a pretty healthy common ground on a lot of the personal drama and these other things, I would say this, you know, I like you a lot.

00:38:08.000 You know, you're a good guy.

00:38:09.000 You're a funny guy.

00:38:10.000 I've enjoyed, you know, getting to know you and meeting you and all that.

00:38:13.000 Smart guy, too.

00:38:15.000 And I like your content.

00:38:16.000 I mean, and I like Sean and I like James, obviously.

00:38:19.000 I know there's a little of some resentment because of what happened last night.

00:38:23.000 And I like, I even like Terry McCarthy and I like Faith Goldie and I like Lauren Southern.

00:38:27.000 I like these people.

00:38:28.000 I really do.

00:38:29.000 And, but my principle is the principle, if we have it all set up here with the nativity scene here, the principle that we have to affirm, I mean, Sure, there's trolling criticism, but then there's the very important criticism, which I think sprung from Tara McCarthy, where people said, This is not a feminist movement.

00:38:50.000 And she said, no, no, this is not about feminism.

00:38:53.000 Don't criticize feminism.

00:38:54.000 This is about, you know, the alt right is not about anti feminism.

00:38:58.000 And that's so important.

00:39:00.000 It's so about anti feminism.

00:39:03.000 It's so about traditionalism.

00:39:04.000 And when you have people that are out there, frankly, when you have people that are out there and they're preaching, like, we need to save our people, we need to save our country, and the way to do it is to be having kids, and they're not having kids, and they're kind of, you know, living against the grain, so to speak.

00:39:21.000 I mean, you can have exceptions.

00:39:23.000 You can have really good, I think, female activists out there, but I just think we have to caution against it a little bit. 0.96

00:39:28.000 I think we do have to demarcate, like, okay, I mean, Lauren Southern is helpful and she's smart and she's great and she's good, and Faith Goldie, she's engaged and she's smart and she's good, okay, and et cetera. 0.66

00:39:41.000 But we have to demarcate and say, but this is not repeatable.

00:39:45.000 This is not replicable. 0.98

00:39:47.000 This is an anti feminist movement. 0.96

00:39:49.000 I mean, these people are out there, they've been here from the beginning. 0.93

00:39:52.000 And, you know, they're getting themselves sorted.

00:39:55.000 They're still pretty young, most of them.

00:39:57.000 But this is a movement that says if you're a woman, you should be having kids.

00:40:01.000 You should be focusing on getting married.

00:40:04.000 And that's not to say, like, women can't work or women can't be, like, activists or they can't be, you know, somewhat inside the movement.

00:40:13.000 But it is to say that the ideal, the aspiration is that women should be the ones producing more of us.

00:40:19.000 I mean, that's the key.

00:40:22.000 You know, with that being said, you know, What makes you believe that some of these women aren't having kids, that some of these women aren't pregnant as we speak?

00:40:33.000 I mean, look at it this way in such a political climate, people like myself, like yourself, like Lauren Southern, they're receiving death threats on a daily basis.

00:40:43.000 Like, we're getting assaulted in the streets.

00:40:46.000 If you're having a child, I think it would be a smart personal decision to keep that to yourself and not, I mean, I would not find anything wrong with somebody wanting to keep that to themselves.

00:41:01.000 And so, you know, any of these women could be pregnant as we speak.

00:41:05.000 And I'm not saying I have insider information or anything like that.

00:41:08.000 All I'm saying is that, you know.

00:41:10.000 Very subtle.

00:41:12.000 We don't know, right?

00:41:15.000 No, we don't know.

00:41:16.000 No, but, well, but I mean, that's kind of the thing.

00:41:19.000 I mean, do you think it's a good place for a mother to be raising your kids, like in secret, getting death threats, being online, you know, and having.

00:41:29.000 That out there.

00:41:30.000 I don't, again, it kind of begs the question, you know, is that the best environment?

00:41:35.000 I don't know.

00:41:36.000 And, you know, look, these personal things can happen, of course, but it's tough when you're out there.

00:41:46.000 You cannot escape that hypocrisy fundamentally.

00:41:49.000 That will always be there.

00:41:50.000 I mean, when your audience, when your financial income comes from people that believe that you should be doing something you're not doing and you're advocating something you're not doing or you're hiding.

00:42:03.000 Something that you advocate for doing, I don't know what the expectation is.

00:42:07.000 I mean, look, if I was going out there and I was preaching, like, I was preaching, I don't know, what's something I do on a daily basis?

00:42:15.000 I don't know. 0.62

00:42:15.000 It'd be like if I was preaching optics and I was hosting the Nazi show. 0.62

00:42:19.000 I mean, you would never be able to, like, hey, Nick, you talk about, you advocate this value, but you completely contradict it every day. 0.68

00:42:27.000 I mean, would I be hiding the fact that, like, oh, I actually am not a Nazi or I actually disagree with it, like, in secret?

00:42:34.000 I mean, I just don't know what the expectation here is. 0.98

00:42:37.000 If there's secret children being had, or there's like secret crypto families being had, do you see where it becomes a little bit absurd?

00:42:45.000 I mean, people are criticizing them, number one, for goofy stuff.

00:42:48.000 It's goofy trolling.

00:42:49.000 It's goofy tone stuff. 0.60

00:42:51.000 I think more broadly, we want to define ourselves as an anti feminist movement.

00:42:55.000 And you have people that are saying, like, no, no, like, actually, we need the based women in the MAGA hat.

00:43:01.000 I mean, what's the difference?

00:43:02.000 Should we have Laura Loomer in the movement?

00:43:04.000 I mean, Laura Loomer, she's got a big audience.

00:43:07.000 She could be an asset to the movement.

00:43:09.000 She does explicitly advocate for, you know, an ethno state for the Jews. 0.99

00:43:15.000 And so I do block the issue with her on. 0.89

00:43:17.000 She can make the leap one day to our side.

00:43:19.000 I mean, so could Tommy Lehrin.

00:43:22.000 So could.

00:43:23.000 Cassie Dillon, even, right?

00:43:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:27.000 I mean, that's kind of the point.

00:43:29.000 Jordan Peterson would be a great asset to our movement.

00:43:31.000 He's got so many subscribers, so many followers, but he's a liberal.

00:43:36.000 But the guy's a liberal.

00:43:37.000 The guy is a regular liberal.

00:43:39.000 And we can't get around the fact that eventually we have to define what this movement stands for.

00:43:45.000 We don't want to define it because we're worried about offending people that don't agree with us.

00:43:50.000 We got Jordan Peterson.

00:43:51.000 We said, you know what?

00:43:52.000 He can't be in it because he disagrees with our values, because he said race is a construct.

00:43:56.000 Okay, well. 0.98

00:43:57.000 Tara McCarthy said she's a feminist. 1.00

00:43:59.000 She's a liberal feminist. 1.00

00:44:00.000 And people said, sorry, that's not our movement. 1.00

00:44:03.000 And she said, you're punching right. 1.00

00:44:06.000 You're negging women. 1.00

00:44:07.000 You're thought patrolling your own side. 1.00

00:44:09.000 And I will not stand for it. 1.00

00:44:11.000 If you want women in the movement, you have to accept these things. 0.99

00:44:16.000 And that's, I think, where a lot of people are.

00:44:18.000 I mean, do you disagree with that assessment?

00:44:19.000 Am I wrong on that?

00:44:23.000 No.

00:44:27.000 Cool.

00:44:27.000 No.

00:44:29.000 Good to know.

00:44:30.000 Yeah.

00:44:31.000 Okay.

00:44:31.000 Well, I mean, is that.

00:44:33.000 Are there any other.

00:44:35.000 I think that was my last.

00:44:37.000 I think we've covered.

00:44:38.000 And it's been pretty sloppy.

00:44:39.000 It wasn't very systematic the way we went about this.

00:44:42.000 It's been kind of just a talk.

00:44:46.000 But I mean, are you.

00:44:48.000 I mean, what is your takeaway?

00:44:49.000 Is there any lingering, like, we haven't resolved this?

00:44:57.000 No.

00:44:58.000 I mean, I think, you know, like I said before, I was. 0.99

00:45:02.000 Under the assumption that your views and the whole topic sort of aligned with these NASBOL trolls and these irony bros and shit. 0.96

00:45:17.000 And so, yeah, no, I think we've come to an understanding. 0.97

00:45:22.000 I think women within the movement are.

00:45:25.000 What the hell is going on with the audio?

00:45:26.000 I think women in the movement are extremely helpful and beneficial to us as a whole. 0.99

00:45:32.000 And I think all the women need to grow some thick skin. 0.92

00:45:35.000 And I'm hearing some audio coming through. 1.00

00:45:39.000 Did you hear that?

00:45:41.000 Yeah, you're getting a little choppy. 0.99

00:45:43.000 A little crap going on. 1.00

00:45:47.000 It's the women. 1.00

00:45:49.000 Hang on. 1.00

00:45:52.000 I got my focus locked in.

00:45:55.000 But yeah, I mean, I think that's a good common ground.

00:45:58.000 I think, you know, regardless, I think it's going to blow over in about a week, you know, hopefully.

00:46:05.000 I think a lot of people were just under the assumption that, you know, Certain figures, um, you know, it just did not want anything to do with women in the movement.

00:46:15.000 I think that's where the misconceptions, uh, sort of were.

00:46:18.000 And so I think, uh, this conversation might have been needed.

00:46:21.000 I think, you know, we found some common ground.

00:46:24.000 So I think, clearing of the air.

00:46:25.000 Well, yeah. 0.99

00:46:25.000 And I, like I said, I've collaborated with all these women, uh, before. 0.99

00:46:30.000 And so, I mean, that's what made it a little bit difficult for me because, you know, on the one hand, I, I understand where everybody's coming from.

00:46:37.000 On the one hand, you know, I'm connected to these people personally, I like these people personally.

00:46:42.000 Um, And, you know, people say we all make mistakes.

00:46:45.000 You know, we were all, we all came here from somewhere.

00:46:48.000 I get that.

00:46:49.000 I really do.

00:46:50.000 But it's just a matter of.

00:46:51.000 I used to build schools for little African babies. 0.51

00:46:54.000 I used to be a neoliberal shill. 0.93

00:46:56.000 I used to be a libertarian.

00:46:58.000 And, you know, we were all young once.

00:47:00.000 And that's where I say, you know, we can make mistakes.

00:47:03.000 If we own up to our mistakes, if we're transparent about them and we're on board with the movement, you know, we should be okay.

00:47:10.000 But I think that's solid.

00:47:13.000 I think that's a pretty reasonable conclusion here.

00:47:16.000 Wouldn't you say?

00:47:18.000 All right.

00:47:19.000 Well, thank you so much for coming on.

00:47:20.000 Thanks for coming on and having the conversation.

00:47:23.000 I know it got a little ugly.

00:47:24.000 It gets a little heated online, as it tends to do, but I mean, we're good.

00:47:28.000 I think we squashed it.

00:47:29.000 Hopefully, we squashed it for everybody else.

00:47:31.000 Hopefully, we didn't exacerbate it.

00:47:33.000 We did squash it.

00:47:35.000 The thought wars have been resolved, and it has been a truce.

00:47:39.000 The United Nations has achieved world peace between men and women in the movement. 0.97

00:47:43.000 And no, I think we're good. 1.00

00:47:45.000 So thanks so much for coming on.

00:47:46.000 It's been a good talk, and I guess I'll see you around on Twitter, right?

00:47:50.000 No hard feelings.

00:47:51.000 No, I'm actually coming out to Chicago pretty soon.

00:47:54.000 So we're going to have to get together.

00:47:56.000 Yeah, let me know.

00:47:57.000 Let me know.

00:47:57.000 We can hang out.

00:47:59.000 We can get lunch.

00:48:02.000 Let's shoot hoops with the brothers downtown.

00:48:04.000 Yeah, that's right.

00:48:05.000 We've got to take a little trip to the south side for a little red pill.

00:48:09.000 But yeah, but thanks for coming on.

00:48:10.000 Take care, man.

00:48:12.000 All right.

00:48:12.000 See you.

00:48:12.000 All right, man.

00:48:13.000 See you around.

00:48:14.000 Let me.

00:48:16.000 There we go.

00:48:18.000 Well, there you have it, folks.

00:48:21.000 There you have it.

00:48:22.000 That was the great thought war of 2017.

00:48:28.000 And I hope everybody's satisfied with the conclusion.

00:48:31.000 I hope everybody's satisfied with what was said, what went on.

00:48:36.000 I think the whole thing was pretty goofy from the start.

00:48:38.000 I think I made that pretty clear.

00:48:39.000 I think it was a lot of trolling that got blown out of proportion.

00:48:42.000 And Matt's a good guy for coming on.

00:48:44.000 Good guy for coming on, squashing the beef.

00:48:47.000 And hopefully we can move past the goofiness.

00:48:50.000 You know, we do have a major announcement today about the moving of a certain embassy in a certain country.

00:48:55.000 We got to get back to. 0.81

00:48:57.000 Fighting the globalists, totally unrelated to that previous statement, but we got to get back to fighting the real people that are hurting us. 0.70

00:49:04.000 The Tara McCarthy's, they may cause us a headache from now and again, and certainly not everybody's perfect.

00:49:11.000 We all react to the trolls in different ways, and we'll be there to support our friends, but we got to get back.

00:49:17.000 Now that we figured out we're all on the same page, we got to get back to railing against the people that are killing us in a very real sense.

00:49:25.000 But I think that's going to do it for us tonight.

00:49:28.000 Why don't we check the Super Chat?

00:49:29.000 Now that I'm not running Skype, And let me delete that window capture so that's not hanging out there.

00:49:36.000 Now that we've deleted the Skype, my computer is not running like a turtle.

00:49:41.000 So I can get into the Super Chat, the live chat, and we'll see what people are saying here in the Super Chat.

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00:50:19.000 So let's check the super chats.

00:50:20.000 Let's see what people are saying here.

00:50:23.000 We got Simon Skola.

00:50:24.000 Let's get a little reaction before we call it a night.

00:50:28.000 Simon Skola says The thought cries out in pain as she coburns to play devil's advocate.

00:50:34.000 How can you talk about optics when you are a huge fan of Oswald Mosley, an armband wearing fascist, the new?

00:50:38.000 Hitler in Goebbels.

00:50:39.000 Well, you know, Oswald Mosley is obviously a very esoteric reference.

00:50:45.000 And of course, I think you have a little bit of leniency when you're going for things that are esoteric versus things that are well known.

00:50:52.000 And we talk about Oswald Mosley in the sense that we quote Oswald Mosley.

00:50:55.000 We use very good quotes by people that might not have desirable optics.

00:51:00.000 That's all the difference in the world between marching down the street with an armband or making a certain salute or something like that.

00:51:06.000 So, my retort to anybody who says, Nick, you give criticisms about optics, and I don't agree with your optics 100% of the time.

00:51:15.000 My disagreement with the optics is about, I mean, just straight. 0.99

00:51:18.000 Dumb, stupid optics that I think everybody has agreed were wrong. 0.99

00:51:22.000 I won the optics war definitively. 1.00

00:51:26.000 You can look at the recent split of Identity Europa.

00:51:29.000 You can look at the direction we're moving in.

00:51:30.000 I mean, we won that conversation.

00:51:32.000 The America First Right won that conversation. 0.70

00:51:35.000 And for people that are doubting me about the optics, I would say, why don't you win a war?

00:51:39.000 Why don't you win an optics war and then get back to me? 1.00

00:51:42.000 Fascist Stampede says, Lana from Red Ice is a great role model for right wing women. 1.00

00:51:46.000 I agree. 1.00

00:51:48.000 She's very solid. 0.93

00:51:49.000 Alt right women should make content for women, not men. 0.97

00:51:52.000 They have a very important part in our movement, but it's a different role.

00:51:55.000 I agree.

00:51:55.000 We have to recognize the difference between the sexes.

00:52:00.000 Larry Steele, hubris is too spicy for white people. 0.99

00:52:03.000 Well, yeah, I mean, to an extent. 0.99

00:52:05.000 Fascist Stampede says, don't complain about trad thoughts not having babies when you don't have a GF. 0.95

00:52:10.000 Don't be the Chad virgin, be the virgin Chad.

00:52:12.000 You know, Fascist Stampede, I mean, this is the kind of egalitarian argument I would expect from a leftist. 0.93

00:52:18.000 The time scale, the sexual marketplace value, time horizon is very different between men and women. 0.51

00:52:24.000 You understand that a woman's sexual marketplace value starts to decrease after 21 in terms of looks, in terms of maternal capacity. 0.81

00:52:33.000 For men, it's the opposite. 0.75

00:52:35.000 Men's sexual marketplace value does not derive from their youthful looks, does not derive from their limited amount of eggs being produced.

00:52:43.000 It derives from their ability to protect and to provide for the woman.

00:52:47.000 And so that actually increases until the 30s or 40s, arguably.

00:52:51.000 It never stops increasing if you look at the case of Donald Trump.

00:52:54.000 So, I mean, people talking about, you know, Nick.

00:52:57.000 Because you're 19 and you don't have assets, you don't have an income, and you're saying that women who are 22 or 23 should be getting married, it's a fundamentally different proposition.

00:53:08.000 If I had an income that I could support a family on, it would be a different situation.

00:53:12.000 If I were 10 years older and I knew how to do plumbing and knew how to fix a car, it would be a different situation. 0.99

00:53:18.000 For a woman at the age of 22, all you have to do, I mean, really, all you have to do really is look. 1.00

00:53:24.000 All you have to do is go outside the house and you're ready to find somebody.

00:53:27.000 I mean, there's no shortage of men that are going to go and throw themselves and try and get married and provide for the lovely ladies of the alt right.

00:53:35.000 For the men, it's a little bit different. 0.71

00:53:36.000 So be careful with the feminist talking points. 0.85

00:53:38.000 Be careful that we don't turn to the dark side. 1.00

00:53:43.000 And Cyanet says, Hail, Appalachia.

00:53:45.000 Well, it looks like those are all our questions.

00:53:47.000 And perfect timing.

00:53:48.000 We're fresh out of time coming up on the 7 o'clock mark there.

00:53:52.000 That's going to do it for us here tonight.

00:53:53.000 Hope you enjoyed the debate.

00:53:55.000 Hope you enjoyed the discussion between myself and Millennial Matt.

00:53:58.000 I hope that cleared the air and everything.

00:54:01.000 It's important.

00:54:02.000 It's important that we have these conversations and we don't shove them under the rug.

00:54:05.000 You know, there's always the one side who's for, the one side who's against, and then one side who says, everybody shut up, stop talking about it, but we have to talk about it.

00:54:14.000 You can't let these things fester.

00:54:15.000 You can't let these old grudges, these old.

00:54:18.000 I mean, the reason I think why you have so much bad blood in these personal relationships is because they were allowed to fester.

00:54:25.000 People said, let's forget it, let's move on, let's talk about important stuff, and they neglected the things that would become very important later on, things that would become very divisive.

00:54:34.000 So.

00:54:35.000 It's important that we hash it all out.

00:54:36.000 I'm a big believer in the man to man dialogue, the communication there.

00:54:40.000 So we're going to call it a night.

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00:56:10.000 Watch out for the thoughts that are trying to pull us apart.

00:56:12.000 She will not divide us. 0.99

00:56:14.000 The homies, homie nationalism stands strong. 1.00

00:56:17.000 So. 1.00

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America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - December 06, 2017

THOT WARS feat. Millennial Matt | America First Ep. 65

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