Tucker Carlson and Lex Fridman's interview with Vladimir Putin is live streaming on Tucker Carlson's new show on Fox News Channel's Tucker Carlson Tonight, and we're here to talk about it. Tucker and Lex talk about the interview, why they think Putin is a good guy, and how they think he's a bad guy. And they talk about why they don't think Tucker should be fired from his position as the head of the conservative wing of Fox News, and why they believe he should be replaced by someone who's better than him. And they also talk about what they think of the way Tucker handled his first impressions of Vladimir Putin and how he handled the questions he asked him about his trip to Ukraine and his relationship with the Russian president, and what he thinks about the way he handled being interviewed by the guy who asked him the most important question of all: Why did he go to Ukraine? And why he thinks he should go back to Russia? And what's the worst thing he's ever said to a Russian person in his life? and much, much more! We're here for you in the live chat! Subscribe to our new stream, and subscribe to our channel, and let us know what you thought of the show! and what you think of it! Tweet us if you think it was good or bad, and if you have any thoughts or opinions on the interview questions you d like us to be featured on the next episode of Tucker Carlson or Lex's show, we'd love to hear us answer them in the next stream! . Thanks for listening, Nick Fuentes :) Timestamps: 0:00:00 - What do you think about Tucker's interview? 6:30 - Why did you think Putin's interview was good? 7:00- Why does he seem nervous? 8:15 - What's your first impression of Putin's answer? 9:40 - Why is he a good dude? 11:00 12:10 - Why do you like it better? 13:00 | What's the most intimidating? 16: Is he a great guy? 17:30 | Why do I like it? 18:10 | What do I think he seems like a guy like that? 19:40 | What would you like to see me like it more? 21:30 22:40
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00:14:12.000And I thought he seemed like someone who'd overthought it a little bit, who had a plan.
00:14:18.000And I don't think that's the right way to go into any interview.
00:14:20.000My strong sense, having done a lot of them for a long time, is that it's better to know what you think, to say, you know, as much as you can, honestly, so you don't get confused by your own lies.
00:14:34.000And I thought that he went into it like an over-prepared student.
00:14:41.000And I kept thinking, why is he nervous?
00:14:44.000But, you know, I guess because he thought a lot of people were going to see it.
00:14:47.000But he was also probably prepared to give you a full lesson in history, as he did.
00:14:54.000Well, I was totally shocked by that and very annoyed because I thought he was filibustering.
00:15:00.000I mean, I asked him, as I usually do, the most obvious, dumbest question ever, which is, you know, why'd you do this?
00:15:09.000And he had said in a speech that I think is worth reading, I don't speak Russian, so I haven't heard it in the original, but he had said at the moment of the beginning of the war, he had given this address to Russians in which he explained to the fullest extent we have seen so far why he was doing this.
00:15:30.000And he said in that speech, I fear that NATO, the West, the United States, the Biden administration will preemptively attack us.
00:15:38.000And I thought, well, that's interesting.
00:15:40.000I mean, I can't evaluate whether that's a fear rooted in reality or one rooted in paranoia.
00:15:45.000But I thought, well, that's well, that's an answer right there.
00:15:48.000And so I alluded to that in my question.
00:15:50.000And rather than answering it, he went off on this long, from my perspective, kind of... He always says rather.
00:17:59.000It was a constant topic of conversation.
00:18:01.000And so to be in the Kremlin in a room where Stalin made decisions, either wartime decisions or decisions about murdering his own population, I just couldn't get over it.
00:18:18.000It turns out I knew a lot about the Soviet period, the 1937 purge trials, the famine in Ukraine.
00:18:24.000I knew a fair amount about that, but I really knew nothing about contemporary Russia, less than I thought I did, it turned out.
00:18:31.000But yeah, I was just blown away by where we were, and that's kind of one of the main drivers at this stage in my life.
00:18:41.000That's why I do what I do is because I'm interested in stuff, and I want to see as much as I can and try and draw conclusions from it to the extent I can.
00:18:49.000So I was very much caught up in that, but no, I wasn't nervous.
00:18:51.000I didn't think he was going to kill me or something, and I'm not particularly afraid of that anyway.
00:18:59.000I mean, again, it's an age and stage in life thing.
00:19:05.000I mean, I have four children, so there were times when they were little where I was terrified of dying, because if I died, it would have huge consequences.
00:19:13.000But no, I mean, at this point, I don't want to die.
00:19:19.000I've been with the same girl for 40 years and I have four children who I'm extremely close to, well now five, a daughter-in-law, and I love them all.
00:20:01.000And I've, I've stated it many times, um, because it's sincere, but my goal was to
00:20:09.000You have more information brought to the West so people could make their own decisions about whether this is a good idea.
00:20:16.000I mean, I just, I guess I reject the whole premise of the war in Ukraine from the American perspective, which is, you know, a tiny group of dumb people in Washington has decided to do this for reasons they won't really explain.
00:20:28.000And you don't have a role in it at all as an American citizen, as the person who's paying for it, whose children might be drafted to fight it.
00:21:29.000I mean, I'm hardly a tactician or a military expert.
00:21:32.000For the fifth time, I'm not an expert on Russia or Ukraine.
00:21:35.000I just look at Wikipedia, Russia has a hundred million more people than Ukraine, a hundred million.
00:21:42.000It has much deeper industrial capacity, war material capacity than all of NATO combined.
00:21:50.000For example, Russia is turning out artillery shells, which are significant in a ground war, at a ratio of seven to one compared to all NATO countries combined.
00:22:11.000That's an amazing fact, and it turns out to be a really significant fact, in fact, the significant fact.
00:22:16.000But if you ask your average person in this country, even a fairly well-informed person of good faith who's just trying to understand what's going on, who's gonna win this war?
00:22:27.000And they think that because our media, who really just do serve the interest of the US government, period, they are state media in that sense.
00:22:34.000Have told him that for over two years.
00:22:36.000And I was in Hungary last summer talking to the prime minister, Viktor Orban, who's a, you know, whatever you think of him, he's a very smart guy, very smart guy, like smart on a scale that we're not used to in our leaders.
00:22:48.000And I said to him off camera, so is Ukraine gonna win?
00:22:51.000And he looked at me like I was deranged or I was congenitally deficient.
00:23:07.000He was like, looked at me like I was stupid.
00:23:09.000And I said to him, you know, I think most Americans believe that because NBC News and CNN and all the news channels, all of them tell them that because it's framed exclusively in moral terms and it's Churchill versus Hitler.
00:23:20.000And of course, Churchill's going to prevail in the end.
00:23:22.000And it's just so dishonest that it doesn't even matter what I want to happen or what I think ought to happen.
00:23:28.000That's a distortion of what is happening.
00:23:31.000And if I have any job at all, which I sort of don't actually at this point, but if I do have a job, it's to just try to be honest.
00:26:04.000And so I guess these are really, it's not just about Boris Johnson being a sad, you know, rapacious fraud, which he is obviously, but it's about like the future of the West.
00:26:17.000And the future of Ukraine, this country that purportedly we care so much about, all these people are dying and like, what is the end game?
00:26:23.000It's also deranged that I didn't imagine and don't imagine that I could like add anything very meaningful to the conversation because I'm not a genius, okay?
00:26:33.000But I felt like I could at the very least puncture some of the lies and that's an inherent good.
00:26:40.000Vladimir Putin, after the interview, said that he wasn't fully satisfied because you weren't aggressive enough.
00:27:48.000We'll have to, we'll be on the lookout for the next one.
00:27:50.000I guess it, it does seem like the one Putin statement that Western media take at face value.
00:27:56.000Everything else Putin says is a lie, except his criticism of me, which is true.
00:27:59.000But, I mean, I have no idea what he meant by that.
00:28:02.000I can only tell you what my goal was, as I've suggested, was not to make it about me.
00:28:08.000I watched, you know, he hasn't done any interviews of any kind for years.
00:28:13.000But the last interview he did with an English-speaking reporter, Western media reporter, was like many of the other interviews he'd done with Western media reporters.
00:28:22.000Mike Wallace's son did an interview with him that was of the same variety, and it was all about him.
00:28:28.000You know, I'm a good person, you're a bad person.
00:28:31.000And I just feel like that's the most tiresome, fruitless kind of interview.
00:28:50.000And I had a lot of – I mean, you should see – I almost never write questions down, but I did in this case because I had months – well, I had three years to think about it as I was trying to book the interview.
00:30:21.000I know he's from the Wall Street Journal.
00:30:33.000So this is the guy, it's Evan Gershkovich.
00:30:36.000Evan Gershkovich is an American journalist and reporter, Wall Street Journal, covering Russia.
00:30:41.000He was detained by Russia's Federal Security Service on charges of espionage, marking the first time a journalist working for an American outlet had been arrested on charges of spying since the Cold War.
00:32:04.000Everybody on the stream tells me get an ad blocker get an ad blocker.
00:32:08.000I do it makes half the internet not functional Okay Russian President Putin said an agreement can be reached over the release of detained Wall Street journalist Did not outright solicit a swap but indirectly compared the case of Gershkov itch to let Vadim Krasnikov
00:32:40.000Well, I don't know the details of Gershkovich, but... To pretend like that's something that's totally off-base... You know, well, there was no reason for him not to release this!
00:33:12.000Lindsey Graham goes out and says, we're killing Russians.
00:33:15.000Like, that's what we're paying to kill Russians.
00:33:18.000We're paying to destroy their equipment.
00:33:21.000And Tucker's like, yeah, I don't know why he didn't release an American prisoner to me for nothing.
00:33:30.000That's when you know this aw shucks thing isn't real because he knows that to pretend like he doesn't is just a deception and that's that to me tells me that it's a put on that the whole thing's a put on when he says
00:36:48.000From a geopolitical perspective, I don't know any more than that.
00:36:51.000And I laugh at and sort of resent but mostly find amusing the claims by American politicians who really are the dumbest politicians in the world, actually.
00:37:02.000You know, this happened and here's what it means.
00:37:05.000And it's like, actually, as a factual matter, we don't know what happened.
00:37:29.000Now, if I had to guess, I would say killing Navalny during the Munich Security Conference in the middle of a debate over $60 billion in Ukraine funding,
00:38:42.000And I spent, again, I'm much older than you.
00:38:44.000And so I spent my, my, my worldview was defined by the cold war.
00:38:49.000And very much in the house I lived in, in Georgetown in Washington DC, you know, that's what we talked about.
00:38:53.000And yeah, and the left at the time, you know, I don't know, the wacko MIT professor who I never had any respect for, who I know you've interviewed, etc.
00:39:04.000Like the hard left was always saying, well, the United States government is interfering in other elections.
00:39:09.000And I just dismissed that completely out of hand.
00:39:12.000You didn't learn that until you were middle-aged?
00:39:14.000When precisely did he learn that the United States did that?
00:39:29.000See, that's another thing where, again, you have to understand the household that Tucker Carlson grew up in.
00:39:38.000As he said earlier, he said it in this interview, that his father was always talking about the Cold War because his father worked for the CIA.
00:39:46.000He was appointed by Ronald Reagan to work in the CIA's propaganda department.
00:39:52.000Iran Voice of America, which is a non-military U.S.
00:39:56.000propaganda outlet, international, especially during the Cold War, and has worked in foreign governments, at the Hungarian embassy, doing a variety of different things.
00:40:09.000And Tucker Carlson has been a journalist for 20-30 years.
00:40:14.000He was in Nicaragua with the Contras in the 1980s.
00:41:46.000It broadcasts 24 hours a day in nearly 50 languages to 130 million people around the world.
00:41:52.000He was the longest-serving VOA director in its 50-year history.
00:41:57.000In June 1991, he left Voice of America, became ambassador to Seychelles.
00:42:04.000I don't know how to pronounce that country.
00:42:06.000I know it's off the coast of East Africa.
00:42:09.000In March 1992, became CEO of CPB, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, a private corporation funded by the American people, which I don't know too much about this.
00:43:04.000And he was running at 1992, King World Public, Foreign Relations, testified dozens of times before congressional committees including Senate Foreign Relations, House Foreign Relations.
00:43:20.000On behalf of the US government, with many foreign governments including China, Korea, the Soviet Union, Germany, Costa Rica, Belize, Liberia, Botswana, Lesotho, South Africa, Morocco, and Israel,
00:43:38.000He has negotiated on behalf of the government.
00:43:44.000If he's not an ambassador, if he's not in the State Department, but he's negotiating on behalf of the government in Asia, Central America, Europe, that means he's a spy!
00:44:00.000In 1990, he jointly addressed the Knesset with Malcolm Forbes Jr.
00:44:04.000Three years later, addressed the House of Commons with Richard Branson.
00:44:07.000He was an international observer at the first democratic elections in South Africa.
00:44:17.000In 1997, he was an observer at the parliamentary elections in Albania during the Yugoslav Wars.
00:44:25.000In 2003, he became the vice chairman of the Foundation for Defensive Democracies, so another state department NGO, was there for eight years.
00:44:35.000From 92 to 97, president of Intermedia, which conducts opinion surveys for government agencies in 75 countries, he is currently its chairman.
00:44:47.000He was an advisor of the Institute for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence.
00:44:53.000He is also a longtime member of the European and Asian Broadcasting Union, Director of Policy Impact, lobbied the U.S.
00:45:04.000Sorry, didn't we just like 10 minutes ago, didn't we just hear that Tucker said that Viktor Orban is on a level of intelligence surpassing all of our politicians?
00:45:15.000And his dad lobbied the US government on behalf of Viktor Orban and as recently as 2021 worked for the Hungarian government.
00:45:25.000Viktor Orban was a pig farmer, just so you understand.
00:46:11.000But Tucker Carlson only learned recently, even though his dad is a bona fide spy, his dad has been a bona fide US spy confirmed for 30 years, 30-40 years, and Tucker just learned recently, huh, that, you know, maybe the government is involved.
00:46:35.000He sought an appointment to the San Diego County Board of Supervisors
00:46:40.000Following year, he decided to run for mayor of San Diego in a contentious campaign against Roger Hedgecock, who was under indictment for perjury and conspiracy.
00:46:53.000Carlson's campaign came under scrutiny for its close ties to Great American Savings, which had ties to the Reagan White House.
00:47:01.00030 employees donated over $4,000 each to his campaign, while only one donated to Hedgcock.
00:47:07.000When pressed on the connection and on other campaign issues, he began to skip candidate forums.
00:47:12.000A member of the press deemed it difficult to get a hold of him.
00:47:20.000After spending $1.2 million on the campaign, outspending Hedgcock by a 2-to-1 margin, he lost $42 to $58.
00:49:35.000Invited to join as an anchorman and investigative reporter.
00:49:38.000Carlson walked away from the job after 18 months, tiring of news, calling it a kid's game that was insipid, sophomoric, superficial, laced with arrogance and hypocrisy.
00:51:22.000Oh, his grandfather founded it in 1885.
00:51:24.000This guy was born in, that's why I was confused, because the other one had a real old-time picture, and it said the guy founded it in 1885.
00:52:20.000Well, I'll look into this another time.
00:52:22.000I admittedly haven't done a total deep dive on Dick Carlson yet, but suffice to say, without getting carried away, very, very sus that Tucker, his dad, so as you can see, his dad was a spy, and Tucker says, well, I didn't learn until I was middle-aged that the US government interferes in other countries' affairs.
00:52:41.000It's like, your dad's been a spy since you were born.
00:52:50.000But we should always proceed on the basis of what we do know, which is to say on the basis of truth, knowable truth.
00:52:58.000And if you have an entire policymaking apparatus that is making the biggest decisions on the face of the planet on the basis of things that are bullshit or lies You're gonna get bad outcomes every time Every time and that's that's why we are where we are Does it bother you that basically the most famous opposition figure in Russia is sitting in prison?
00:53:48.000Do you have opposition leaders in jail?
00:53:51.000It's not a free, it's not a politically free society, and Russia isn't, obviously.
00:53:58.000And as I said, a friend of mine from childhood, an American actually, he was a wonderful person, lives in Russia with his Russian, in Moscow with his Russian wife, and I had dinner with him.
00:54:06.000He's a very balanced guy, totally non-political person.
00:54:11.000And speaks Russian and loves his many Russian children and loves the culture, and there's a lot to love.
00:54:16.000The culture that produced Tolstoy, you know, it's not a gas station with nuclear weapons, sorry.
00:56:15.000I don't know if you've been to Jordan, but go to Jordan.
00:56:18.000In every building, there are pictures of the king and his extended family, and that's a sign of political insecurity.
00:56:23.000You know, you don't create a cult of personality unless you're personally insecure, and also unless you're worried about losing your grip on power.
00:57:37.000I make all my decisions based on how I feel, my instincts, and I didn't feel it at all.
00:57:43.000Um, my lawyers before I left, and these are people who work for a big law firm, this is not Bob's law firm, this is one of the biggest law firms in the world, said, you're going to get arrested if you do this by the U.S.
00:57:55.000And I said, well, you know, I don't, I don't recognize the legitimacy of that actually, because I'm American and I've lived here my whole life.
00:58:01.000And that's so outrageous that I'm happy to face that
00:58:21.000Let me put it this way, I don't know how much you've dealt with lawyers, but it costs many thousands of dollars to get a conclusion like that.
00:58:28.000They sent a whole bunch of their summer associates or whatever.
00:58:31.000They put a lot of people on this question, checked a lot of precedent, and I think, and they sent me a 10-page memo on it, and their sincere conclusion was, do not do this.
00:58:42.000And of course it made me mad, so I was lecturing on the phone and I had another call with the head lawyer and he said, look, a lot will depend on the questions that you ask Putin.
00:58:51.000If you're seen as too nice to him, you could get arrested when you come back.
00:58:54.000And I was like, you're describing a fascist country, okay?
00:58:58.000You're saying that the US government will arrest me if I don't ask the questions they want asked?
00:59:10.000So you were okay being arrested in Moscow and arrested in... I didn't think I was... I didn't think for a second... I mean, maybe... Look, I don't speak Russian.
01:00:36.000Then I'm over there, and of course I want to see Snowden, who I admire.
01:00:41.000And so we have a mutual friend, so I got his text and come on over, and Snowden does not want publicity at all.
01:00:49.000And so, but I really wanted to have dinner with him.
01:00:51.000So we had dinner in my hotel room at the Four Seasons in Moscow.
01:00:56.000And I said, I tried to convince him, you know, I'd love to do an interview, shoot it on my iPhone.
01:01:01.000You know, I'd love to take a picture together and put it on the internet because I just want to show support because I think he's been railroaded.
01:01:07.000He had no interest in living in Russia, no intention of being in Russia.
01:01:19.000The only reason I'm telling you this is because, and I didn't tell anybody and I didn't text it to anybody, okay, except him.
01:01:29.000Semaphore, Semaphore, runs this piece saying,
01:01:35.000reporting information they got from the US intel agencies leaking against me using my money in my name in a supposedly free country.
01:01:45.000They run this piece saying I'd met with Snowden, like it was a crime or something.
01:01:49.000So again, what my interest is in the United States and preserving freedoms here, the ones that I grew up with,
01:01:55.000And if you have a media establishment that acts as an auxiliary of, or acts as employees of, the national security state, you don't have a free country.
01:03:04.000Look, one of the things I did before I went, just because of the business I'm in, all of us are in, and just because we live here, you know, we all have theories about secure communications channels.
01:03:15.000Like, Signal is secure, Telegraph isn't, or WhatsApp is owned by Mark Zuckerberg, you can't trust... Okay.
01:03:23.000So I thought, you know, before I go over here, I was getting all this
01:03:26.000We're having all these conversations, my producers and I, about this.
01:03:29.000And I decide, you know, I'm just gonna actually find out what's really going on.
01:03:34.000So I talked to two people who would know, trust me.
01:04:30.000So the guys travel with three people I work with who I love, who I've been around the world with for many years, and I know them really, really well.
01:04:39.000And they all got separate phones, and I'm leaving my other phone back in New York or whatever, and I just decided I don't care, actually.
01:05:24.000And so I talked to someone on the National Security Council, who actually called me about this, somehow knew that your phone is being surveilled by the South Korean government.
01:05:32.000I was like, I like the South Korean government.
01:06:10.000People are saying they want it in 1.5 times.
01:06:12.000When they make these claims like, well, they hacked into my Signal account and they knew that the government told the press that I was gonna interview Putin.
01:06:23.000It's like, yeah, I don't know if I believe all that stuff.
01:06:28.000I don't know how much I buy all that story.
01:07:31.000government has, like, control over my questions and they'll arrest me if I ask the wrong question?
01:07:34.000Like, how are we better than Putin, if that's true?
01:07:35.000And by the way, that's just what the lawyer said, but I, I can't overstate, one of the biggest law firms in the United States, smart lawyers we've used for years.
01:08:39.000And our task is to figure out where on the spectrum they lie and the leaders.
01:08:46.000But I actually reject even that formulation.
01:08:49.000I don't think it's always about the leaders.
01:08:50.000I mean, of course, the leaders make the difference.
01:08:53.000A good leader has a healthy country and a bad leader has a decaying country, which is something to think about.
01:08:57.000But it's about the ideas and the policies and the practical effect of things.
01:09:00.000So we're very much caught up in the personalities of various leaders, not just our political leaders, but our business leaders, our cultural leaders.
01:09:46.000And we miss the bigger things that are happening, and we allow ourselves to be deceived into thinking that what doesn't matter at all matters.
01:09:53.000That moral victories are all that matter.
01:09:54.000No, actually, facts on the ground victories matter more than anything.
01:09:56.000I mean, you certainly see it in this country.
01:11:23.000So wait a second, so your dad throughout the 80s and 90s was actually in Moscow?
01:11:30.000As a government employee, government-funded journalist, you don't understand how that works?
01:11:36.000So a Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Jewish journalist is in Russia reporting in favor of the Ukraine side during Russia's war with Ukraine.
01:12:42.000First of all, you know, Chicago's pretty clean.
01:12:45.000There's not garbage on the streets in Chicago, and Chicago's not even a good city anymore, but it's pretty clean, and there's not a ton of homeless people.
01:14:33.000The main metrics that matter are cleanliness, safety, and beauty, in my opinion.
01:14:37.000And one of the big lies that we are told in our world is that, no, something you can't measure that has no actual effect on your life matters most!
01:15:03.000But you can't tell me that living in a city where, you know, your six year old daughter can walk to the bus stop and ride on a clean bus or ride in a beautiful subway car that's on time and not get assaulted.
01:15:14.000And like the normal regime defenders and morons, Jon Stewart or whatever he's calling himself, they're like, well, that's the price of whatever he's calling himself.
01:15:42.000And I think with younger people, you can tell them that and they're like, oh, 1985, you were, you know, selling slaves in Madison Square Garden.
01:15:50.000There doesn't have to be a trade-off between cleanliness and freedom of speech.
01:15:54.000But it is also true that in dictatorships, cleanliness and architectural design is easier to achieve and perfect and often is done so so you can show off, look how great our cities are while you're suppressing... Of course!
01:16:13.000And for all the people who are trying to impute secret motives to my words, I'm like the one person in America you don't need to do that with.
01:16:17.000If you think I'm a racist, ask me and I'll tell you.
01:16:34.000You don't need to put up with foreign invaders stealing from you.
01:16:38.000You know, occupying your kid's school.
01:16:39.000Your kids can't get an education because people from foreign countries broke our laws and showed up here and they've taken over the school.
01:16:44.000That's not a feature of freedom, actually.
01:17:01.000And it doesn't make you less free to not tolerate murder.
01:17:04.000In fact, it makes you unfree to have a lot of murders.
01:17:07.000And so I just, but it makes me sad that people are like, well, you know, I guess this is, I can't like live in New York City anymore because of inflation and filth and illegal aliens and people shooting each other.
01:17:16.000But you know, I'm just, I'm glad because this is vibrant and strong and free.
01:17:19.000It's like, that's not freedom actually at all.
01:17:48.000And there were two, and to the extent I regret anything and am to blame for anything, it would be not, and I've done this a lot, not giving it context, not fully explaining why are we doing this.
01:17:56.000The grocery store, I was shocked by the prices.
01:17:57.000And yes, I'm familiar with exchange rates, but very familiar with exchange rates.
01:18:01.000But those don't, and I adjusted them for exchange rates.
01:18:02.000And this is two years in to sanctions, total isolation from the West.
01:18:06.000So I would expect, in fact, I did expect until I got there that their supply chains would be crushed.
01:18:09.000How do you get good stuff if you don't have access to Western markets?
01:18:13.000And I didn't fully get the answer, because I was occupied doing other things when I was there, but somehow they have.
01:18:45.000Stalinism is a thing that I hate, and I don't want to come to my country.
01:18:48.000I'm making the obvious point that for over 80 years you've had these frescoes and chandeliers, maybe they've been redone or whatever, but like somehow the society has been able to not destroy what its ancestors built.
01:18:55.000The things that are worth having, and they're a lot.
01:18:58.000And that, like, why don't we have that?
01:18:59.000And even on a much more terrestrial plane, like, why can't I have a subway station like that?
01:19:03.000Why can't my children who live in New York City ride the subway?
01:19:05.000A lot of people I know who live in New York City are afraid to ride the subway, young women especially.
01:19:17.000So if I'm calling for American citizens to demand more from their government and higher standards for their own society and remember that just 30 years ago we had a much different and much happier and cleaner and healthier society,
01:19:26.000Where everyone wasn't fat with diabetes at 40 from poisoned food.
01:19:32.000By the way, the people calling me a traitor, they're all like, you know, they're not, I would not say they're people who put America's interests first.
01:19:39.000There's many elements, like you said, you don't like Stalinism.
01:19:41.000You know, you're a student of history.
01:19:43.000Central planning is good at building subways in a way that's really nice.
01:19:47.000The thing that accounts for New York subways, by the way, there's a lot of really positive things about New York subways.
01:19:51.000Not cleanliness, but the efficiency, like the accessibility, how wide it spreads.
01:20:45.000So there's no monopoly in Russia as big as Google.
01:20:47.000I'm not, again, defending the Russian system.
01:20:48.000I'm calling for a return to our old system, which was sensible and moderate and put the needs of Americans at least somewhere in the top ten.
01:20:56.000I'm not saying that Standard Oil was like interested in the welfare of average Americans, but I am saying that there was a constituency in our political system in the Congress, for example, different presidential candidates were like, no, wait a second.
01:21:26.000So, well, the central planning point is really interesting, but I just don't... I don't know where you're coming from.
01:21:30.000There's a capitalist system... I mean, the United States is one of the most successful capitalist systems in the history of Earth.
01:21:36.000So he just has... All that he has are these Steve Pinker humanist talking points saying, free market lifted a billion people out of poverty.
01:22:07.000The climate thing, I feel like that was their next big play and I think it got deferred by a few developments like COVID.
01:22:14.000Because if you pay attention to the 2016 election and the rhetoric, even in the Democratic primary in 2019 and 2020,
01:22:24.000Before the pandemic it was all shaping up to be about climate, you know, it's the ICLEI It's the agenda 2030 And all that stuff environmental social governance I mean environment was supposed to be a huge part of it and that's how they redefine property ownership Because under the guise of climate they're able to effectively recategorize a lot of property and subjected to their jurisdiction, so
01:24:00.000Google runs the search platform, they run
01:24:04.000YouTube, Meta runs Facebook and Instagram, you have X which is a microblog, and Amazon runs Twitch.
01:24:12.000And Amazon also is the number one, it's an e-commerce giant, it's like half of all e-commerce in America.
01:24:20.000So, the most valuable companies, Apple as well, you know, Apple's by far and away the number one American phone company, and in terms of a lot of the hardware.
01:24:34.000By far and away the most valuable industry that America has, which is the tech industry, the most valuable companies, they're monopolies.
01:24:41.000And they're monopolies protected by the law.
01:24:43.000They're monopolies protected by regulation.
01:24:48.000And people like Lex, they just have this kind of ancient, it's basically just an anachronism to say that America is this liberal free market democracy that, like I said, it's that Steve Pinker humanism thing, neoliberal thing, it's very trendy these days, but it just isn't true.
01:25:13.000It's true with your neighbor's children who you haven't seen in three years and they come home from Wesleyan and you're like, oh, you've grown.
01:25:16.000That is true for the world around us as well.
01:25:18.000And most of our assumptions about immigration, about our economy, about our tax system are completely outdated.
01:25:51.000And it's like, it's not a reliable guide to reality or history.
01:25:54.000And that will accelerate with AI where history or perception of the past is completely controlled and distorted.
01:25:59.000So I think just getting out there and seeing stuff and seeing that Moscow was not what I thought it would be, which was a smoldering ruin, you know, rats in a garbage dump.
01:26:16.000I mean, just to be clear, I'm not I have no plans to move to Russia.
01:26:20.000I think I would probably be arrested if I moved to Russia.
01:26:21.000Ed Snowden, who is the most famous openness transparency advocate in the world, I would say, along with Assange, doesn't want to live in Russia.
01:26:29.000He's had problems with the Putin government.
01:26:36.000And the main lesson is we are being lied to, like, in a way that's bewildering and very upsetting.
01:26:41.000I was mad about it all eight days I was there, because I feel like I'm better informed than most people because it's my job to be informed, and I'm skeptical of everything, and yet I was completely hoodwinked by it.
01:26:48.000I would just recommend to everyone watching this, like, you think you know, like, if you're really interested, if you're one of those people, and I'm not one, but who's like waking up every day and you've got a Ukrainian flag on your
01:26:54.000Mailbox or whatever your ukrainian lapel pin or absurd theater, but if you like sincerely care about ukraine or russia or whatever Why don't you just hop on a plane for 800 bucks and go see it?
01:27:02.000No, that doesn't occur to anyone to do that And I know it's time consuming and kind of expensive sort of not really Um, but you benefit so much.
01:27:08.000I mean I could bore you for like eight hours
01:27:10.000And I know you've had this experience where you think you know what something is, or you think you know who someone is, and then you have direct experience of that place or person, and you realize all your preconceptions were totally wrong.
01:27:18.000They were controlled by somebody else.
01:27:20.000In fact, I won't betray confidence, but off the air, we were talking about somebody, and you said, I couldn't believe the person was not at all like what I thought.
01:27:24.000That's happened to me- In the positive direction.
01:27:50.000Like, for real, where most of the men are either volunteering or fighting in the war, and there's actual tanks in the streets that are going into your major city of Kiev, and still the supply chains
01:28:39.000One of the things that I'm most ashamed of is the bigotry that I felt towards Slavic people, also toward Muslims, let's be totally honest, because I lived through decades of propaganda from NBC News and CNN, where I worked, you know, about this or that group of people and they're horrible or whatever.
01:28:51.000And then you wind, and I kind of believed it.
01:28:52.000And I see it now, like, we can't even put the word Russia at Wimbledon because it's so offensive.
01:28:56.000What does the tennis player have to do with it?
01:29:08.000Okay, but it isn't... Okay, but that... I don't agree with that.
01:29:13.000I mean, I don't agree with the war against Russia, but if you are engaged in a war with Russia and the goal is regime change, it's not about hating Slavic people.
01:29:22.000I don't think it's an anti-Slav thing at all.
01:32:47.000They believe that Rome and Israel are twin brothers, like Esau and Jacob are rather just brothers, and that are set against each other, that are hostile towards each other, and that the lesser, or the younger will serve, or the older will serve the younger.
01:33:08.000So, there is a long history of Jews hating Russia because of the Pale of Settlement, because of the policies by Alexander III, after the Jews killed, I think it was Alexander II, and they also hate Russia because of the anti-Jewish discrimination there, because they're Orthodox,
01:33:35.000A lot of the high-ranking bishops were anti-Semitic that influenced the Tsar.
01:33:40.000And so all these people then came to the United States like Lex Fridman or their grandparents did or their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents.
01:33:49.000And they told the Jews here in America about how horrible Russia was and how they were segregated and they were put in ghettos and they were blamed for killing the Tsar and all that.
01:35:06.000It's sort of like that TikTok thing where that TikToker is talking about how her dad left her when she was a girl and didn't pay for healthcare.
01:37:26.000And everyone's afraid in this country they're going to be shut down by the
01:37:29.000Tech oligarchs or have the FBI show up at their houses or go to jail and people are legit afraid of that in the United States and my feeling is So like show a little courage like what is it worth to you for your grandchildren to live in a free prosperous country?
01:37:40.000It should be worth more than your comfort.
01:37:41.000That's how I feel We should make clear that you know by many measures you look at the World Press Freedom Index You're right us is not at the top Norway Norway is us is scores 71 same as Gambia
01:38:06.000Yes, that's why they're 61 out of 0 to 23.
01:38:08.000I don't know what the criteria are they're using to arrive at that, but I know press freedom when I see it.
01:38:12.000I try to practice it, which is saying what you think is true, correcting yourself when you've been shown to be wrong, as I have many times, being as honest as you can be all the time, and not being afraid.
01:38:20.000And those are wholly absent in my country, wholly absent.
01:38:22.000People are afraid in the news business, I would know.
01:38:24.000Since I spent my life working there, and they're afraid to tell the truth.
01:38:26.000They're under an enormous amount of pressure, and a lot of them have little kids and mortgages.
01:38:29.000So I have sympathy, but they go along with things.
01:38:31.000Like, you are not allowed, if you stand up at any cable channel, any cable channel in the United States, and say, wait a second, how did the Ukrainian government throw a U.S.
01:38:38.000citizen into prison until he died for criticizing the Ukrainian government?
01:39:02.000The United States government, with the help of other governments, blew up, committed the largest acts of industrial terrorism in history, and by the way, the largest environmental crime, the largest emission of CO2, methane.
01:39:50.000I haven't seen it, but someone characterized it to me, which is why I pivoted against it early in our conversation about how the price of freedom is living in filth and chaos.
01:40:06.000Can you tell the saga of that as you remember it?
01:40:07.000I mean, for me, you know, as I was saying to you before about how it takes a long time to digest and process and understand what happens to you, or at least it does for me, I didn't understand that as a particularly significant moment while it was happening.
01:40:37.000So, from the start, when people use these things like, well, the Gini Coefficient, or the Freedom Index, the Press Index, those are not real.
01:42:14.000I've been subpoenaed by the government, put on a federal no-fly list without a trial, without a charge, had my bank accounts frozen, all that.
01:42:34.000By the same token, you understand why things are the way that they are.
01:42:39.000And they're probably worse than they ever happened in terms of censorship, in terms of control, but to say, you know, Denmark and Norway are the most happy!
01:42:48.000It's like, yeah, maybe if you completely ignore the composition of those countries, if you ignore the demographic composition, if you ignore their economic development, if you ignore global importance, global firepower,
01:43:05.000The country that is a steward and custodian of a nuclear arsenal, it's a different place than Denmark, than a freaking island city, an island city-state.
01:43:18.000So I just wanted to throw that out there.
01:43:45.000I'm not sure I would have admitted it at the time, because I worked there, and it's hard to admit you're engaged in an enterprise that's, like, fundamentally worthless, which it was.
01:43:51.000But his other point was that I was somehow a partisan, or a mindless partisan, which is definitely not true.
01:43:58.000But I'm not, and I haven't been for—I really haven't been since I got back from Baghdad at the beginning of the Iraq War, and I realized that
01:44:03.000The Republican Party, which I'd voted for, you know, my whole life to that point, and had supported in general, was like, pushing this really horrible thing that was gonna hurt the United States, which in time it really did.
01:44:12.000The Iraq War really hurt the United States.
01:44:14.000And I realized that I had been on the wrong side of that.
01:44:15.000I said so publicly, immediately, from Baghdad I said that, to the New York Times, and I really meant it, I mean it now.
01:44:19.000And so to call me partisan, you could call me stupid, you could call me wrong, I certainly have been wrong, but partisan, I just didn't think it was a meaningful, I mean, it's like, that's just not true.
01:45:03.000It's not bad, but it was a big change for me, and I just couldn't believe how widely that was discussed at the time, because I thought he was not an interesting person.
01:45:09.000I think he's obviously a very unhappy person.
01:45:12.000I just didn't take him seriously then, and I don't now.
01:45:16.000It was a smaller thing in my life at the time.
01:45:18.000Okay, you said a lot of words that will make it sound like you're a bit bitter, even if you're not.
01:45:23.000So, you said unhappy person, partisan person.
01:45:25.000Well, he's definitely partisan, for sure.
01:45:26.000So, can you elaborate why you think he's partisan?
01:45:28.000Well, so, I think that, and I see this a lot, not only on the left, but people who believe that whatever political debate they're engaged in is the most important debate in the world.
01:45:35.000And so, they bring an emotional intensity to those debates, and they're inevitably disappointed because no eternal question is solved politically.
01:45:40.000So, they're kind of on the wrong path, right?
01:46:01.000That was kind of like the same discussion I had with Destiny.
01:46:17.000When, years ago, one of the first times we kind of reconnected after a while, and I think it was on the Sneakostream or something like that, and I said, well, what do you, do you think about what happens after you die?
01:46:28.000And he's like, why would I think about that?
01:46:30.000I want to, I care about things that matter here, like making things marginally better for people.
01:46:34.000And then we kind of had a follow-up the last time I spoke with him on Fresh and Fit, and I said, like, what is your reason for living?
01:47:12.000And the next day, he had this epiphany where he goes on his show and says, oh, I had this dream last night that all my younger fans were at the park and I couldn't play with them because I was sick, because I'm getting old.
01:47:27.000He said, and that's the first time I've ever thought about my mortality.
01:47:31.000That was like the next day right after the debate, so... But I've always had that discussion with them because fundamentally, the distinction is that those, that side, more than that they are liberal or leftist or whatever, they are materialists.
01:48:10.000And that, I think, leads to, like he says, nihilism, despair.
01:48:16.000And I think that what liberals are just on, like, a timed release of nihilism.
01:48:20.000That's why liberals are very dysfunctional, and then they go and shoot up a church, or then they kill themselves, or then they die from a drug overdose, or, you know, something... There's usually a tragedy at the end of that kind of pathological leftism.
01:48:32.000There's really... I don't think anyone really gets out of that unless they convert to something else.
01:48:40.000And that's why they're I think in many cases dysfunctional people it's because They're in the process of distracting themselves from their own mortality and you can only do that for so long and they distract themselves with
01:49:06.000And that's a pretty good summary of all the things that a person can do, all the things a well-off person can do in today's society to escape a reflection.
01:49:19.000To escape your reflection in the mirror, which is a mortal, aging, dying face.
01:49:26.000So people get high, they forget where they are, they forget about their problems, people get involved in sex, these kind of all-consuming drama and relationships, and do they like me?
01:49:38.000I don't know, you know, I like them, blah blah, that kind of shit.
01:49:45.000And travel, where if you ever feel like you're dying in your house because you're, you know, the trash is piling up and you have a bad memory in your living room and you feel despair, life's not worth living, well you go and get a change of scenery.
01:49:59.000Now I'm in a new place and I'm so tantalized by the novelty of the experience that I'm, you know, I'm just kind of distracted.
01:50:08.000And if you fill up your life with all these different things,
01:50:50.000I have some chronic health problem I have to live with now, and I have to take this pill every day, so that means that I need a doctor, which means I need a prescription, which means, you know... And you start to realize, no, we need to be rooted.
01:51:01.000We need to... The only thing that will give us any kind of lasting peace on Earth, or satisfaction,
01:51:42.000And then, that is when you start to think about death.
01:51:44.000When you realize that we will die, then you think about death.
01:51:47.000And you might fear death, because death initially is very scary, because it's all you've ever known.
01:51:53.000And, you know, if you're dead forever, and then born, and then dead forever after that, this brief time you enjoy life, it's almost like losing everything when you die.
01:52:03.000But that's when you start to think about a life after death.
01:52:23.000They're given to being bitter and thinking that it's really just a matter of, you know, if I just do this, they're chasing these things like happiness or whatever, a hobby, some kind of cause, some kind of campaign.
01:52:38.000You know we're in the terminal stage of leftism.
01:52:41.000You know we're in the terminal stage of materialism when they have taken up causes
01:52:47.000Because that's kind of the last stop on the train to complete nihilism, when you say, you know, because for a long time it's like, oh, well, we live for peace and love, man, and sex, and getting high, and that kind of stuff.
01:53:44.000Because we live in the world and the world has fallen and man has fallen.
01:53:49.000So sin and evil have crept in to this realm and they will never go away until the end of days.
01:53:55.000So all of that will fail forever, and eventually people realize that.
01:54:00.000And that's when they give themselves to the dark.
01:54:02.000They either convert, they accept their death, they accept evil in the world, they accept the fundamental problems and truths about our reality, or...
01:54:13.000It shepherds, and I think this is where society is heading, it will herald and shepherd the coming of the darkest age we've ever seen.
01:54:21.000Full-on Satanism, full-on Antichrist, full-on black magic, full-on...
01:54:46.000They're gonna kind of go to the next stage of development of that idea the intensification of that idea, which is Magic outright evil, you know, but it's kind of I think everyone can understand it's coming to an inflection point and that's why you're seeing more and more of that these days you're seeing a lot more witches and magic and crystals and outright embrace of the devil and
01:55:11.000Dude, this live chat is just embarrassing.
01:55:21.000This guy, Liam, says, reality is the most stupid creation.
01:56:17.000But Jon Stewart, like, you know, if he... There are a lot of things you could say about me, but he's much more partisan than I am, so to call me a partisan, it's like, what?
01:56:23.000He would probably say that he's not a partisan, that he's a comedian who's looking for the humor and the absurdity of the system on both sides.
01:56:29.000He's a dead serious, he's a very serious person in this, I will say this, and he shares this quality with a lot of comedians, I know a lot of comedians.
01:56:34.000I know a cross-section of people just having done this job for a long time and a lot of them are very serious like about their views and they have a lot of emotional intensity and he certainly is in that category he's not that's that's like the silliest thing yeah he's a comedian for sure he can be very funny for sure he has talent no doubt about I've never denied that but he is a piece motivated by
01:56:51.000You know, this is right, that is wrong.
01:56:51.000And I just think that it's a misapplied passion.
01:56:55.000Wait, do you think I'm just a comedian?
01:56:56.000I don't think any serious person thinks that.
01:56:58.000I mean, if you're just a comedian... And I... I'm not trying to claim... I couldn't claim that I haven't said a lot of dumb things.
01:57:04.000And one of the dumbest things I ever said was when he was on our set lecturing me.
01:57:08.000You know, he's a moralizer, which I also just don't really care for as an aesthetic matter.
01:57:11.000But he was lecturing me about something, and I said, I thought you were here to tell jokes.
01:57:15.000Which I shouldn't have said, because he wasn't there to tell jokes.
01:57:17.000He was there to lecture me, and I should have just engaged it directly, rather than trying to diminish him by like, here's a good comedian.
01:57:21.000Well, he doesn't see himself that way.
01:58:07.000Joe and Mika anymore only somebody who's at Fox News for you know, and I you know, that's just he's a creature of cable news But it's just funny you kind of see that shine through and they throw out an illusion like that Does Mika Brzezinski it's like Mika Brzezinski
01:58:23.000I haven't heard that name in a long time.
01:58:25.000I haven't heard Morning Joe in a long time.
01:58:27.000I'll just be honest that I watched it just recently, that video.
01:59:00.000I thought that was a really fair question, and then his defense was, well, I'm just a comedian.
01:59:04.000So I thought that was disingenuous, and I haven't watched it, I never have watched that clip one time in my life, and I don't like to watch myself on television, I never have.
01:59:11.000So, and that's my fault, and I probably should force myself to watch it, though of course I never will.
01:59:14.000But I think the takeaway for me, which was really interesting and life-changing, was I agree with your assessment.
01:59:19.000I'm not just... I've lost a lot of debates.
01:59:52.000Unfortunately, it's a bit darker, I think.
01:59:53.000The reason he's seen as the winner and the reason at the time I saw as the quote-unquote winner is because he was basically shitting on you, like personal attacks versus engaging ideas.
01:59:59.000And it was, it was funny in a dark way and like making fun of the bow tie and all this kind of stuff.
02:00:09.000But also, to be kind of... I thought Jon Stewart came off as a giant dick at that time, and I'm a big fan of his, and I think he has improved a lot.
02:00:30.000I'm pretty cut off from all that stuff.
02:00:31.000So I wouldn't really know, but the measure to me is, are you taking positions that are unpopular with the most powerful people in the world, and how often are you doing it?
02:02:38.000A lot of them were extremely anti-Russian.
02:02:42.000They have ethnic hatred of Russians and a big part of the war, I mean this is one dimension of it, is that Russia says that they will protect the ethnic Russians inside of Ukraine and against the discrimination against the Russian language and the Russian people east of the Dnieper River or what would have happened in Crimea of Ukraine if this government in Kiev controlled Crimea.
02:03:08.000And the other thing is the historical legacy of World War II, and to some extent World War I, which is that the Nazis invaded Russia and tens of millions of Russians died repelling that invasion, and many Russians were killed as prisoners of war of Nazi Germany, and they regard
02:03:29.000That is a similar threat to what's happening with NATO and Ukraine, that Ukraine would accede to NATO with this anti-Russian government and may be used as a launching off point for an invasion, which would come from the Great European Plain, the same direction that the Nazis came from back then, with a NATO and European Union alliance anchored in Germany.
02:03:55.000Western European alliance with potentially soon with its own military with missiles on Russia's doorstep and specifically backing this this specific regime in Ukraine which is anti-russian.
02:04:09.000So it means something very different in the Russian consciousness than it does in the American consciousness.
02:05:12.000But it's a small percentage of the population, a tiny percentage, they have no power in government.
02:05:16.000As far, I have seen no data to show they have any influence on Zelensky and Zelensky government at all.
02:05:22.000So really when Putin says denazification, I think he means nationalist movements.
02:05:26.000I think, I think you're right and I agree with everything you said and
02:05:29.000I do think that the war, the Second World War, occupies a place in Slavic society, Polish society, you know, Central and Eastern Europe, that it does not occupy the United States.
02:05:36.000And you can just look at the death totals, you know, tens of millions versus less than half a million.
02:05:40.000So it's like this eliminated a lot of the male population of these countries.
02:05:42.000So, of course, it's still resonant in those countries.
02:05:46.000I just I think I've watched I don't think I know I've watched the misuse of words the weaponization of words for political reasons for so long that I just I just don't like and though I do engage in it sometime I'm sorry I don't like just dismissing people in a word oh he's a Nazi he's a liberal or whatever it's like tell me what you mean what don't you like about what they're doing or saying and a Nazi especially I don't even know what the hell you're talking about what troubled me about that is because... Didn't Tucker say that?
02:06:09.000I have a clip from Tucker where he says that if you are if you support white identity you're a Nazi
02:06:30.000Or whether you're not excited about it, it doesn't matter.
02:06:33.000Whites are going to be in the minority.
02:06:34.000So what that means soon, so what that means is you're going to get at some point probably in my lifetime people standing up and saying, I represent white people!
02:06:57.000If I agree with you, I'll let you speak for me, and if I don't, I won't.
02:07:02.000But this idea that someone of a certain skin color, any skin color, or any ethnic background, speaks automatically on behalf of all people who share that skin color, ethnic background, is a Nazi idea, and I'm totally opposed to it.
02:07:13.000And I will be opposed to it when it happens
02:08:06.000Let me see if I could actually just pull it up.
02:08:12.000speaking of that yeah get it on got to get on a choice maybe on a mandate get it on in a very unique show where tucker carlson's you know in a sort of related subject and there's a few i have so many points and so little time but
02:08:34.000I mean, the endless attacks on the whites, and I'm not defending white, there are plenty of, in fact, most people who annoy me are white, okay?
02:08:42.000But to attack any group as a group, you can hardly believe it, as someone who core lessons Old Crow and the Sceptery, but everyone's too, in the, this, everyone's, the basis, in a group, is, in fact, most people who annoy me are white shits.
02:09:49.000Not to speak for me because we look the same, period.
02:09:52.000Well, of a certain skin color, any skin color or any ethnic background speaks automatically on behalf of all people who share that skin color, ethnic background is a Nazi idea.
02:10:03.000And I will be opposed to it when it happens to me, when some, and this will happen.
02:10:07.000Someone's going to go, Oh, white people.
02:10:10.000And I'll be like, I don't even know you, dude.
02:10:12.000I don't even know you, I refuse to allow you to- So if you do white identity, you're a Nazi!
02:10:17.000What about, what did you just say here?
02:10:19.000I think I've watched, I don't think I know, I've watched the misuse of words, the weaponization of words for political reasons for so long that I just, I just don't like, though I do engage in it sometimes, I'm sorry, I don't like just dismissing people in a word, oh he's a Nazi, he's a liberal or whatever, it's like tell me what you mean, what don't you like about what they're doing or saying?
02:10:35.000And, and Nazi especially, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
02:10:37.000What troubled me about that is because he said that that's the primary objective currently for the war and that because it's Not grounded in reality.
02:10:44.000It makes it difficult to then negotiate peace because like what?
02:10:48.000What does it mean to get rid of the Nazis in Ukraine?
02:10:49.000So like he'll come to the table and say well, okay I will agree to do ceasefire once the Nazis are gone.
02:10:59.000It was very strange, but maybe it was perhaps had to do with speaking to his own population and also probably trying to avoid the use of the word NATO as the justification.
02:11:08.000Of course, I don't know, but I suspect you're right on both counts.
02:11:10.000But I would say it points to something that I've thought more and more since I did that interview, which was like two weeks ago, I guess.
02:11:16.000I didn't think he was, like, as a PR guy, not very good.
02:11:18.000Like, he's not good at telling his own story.
02:11:20.000You know, the story of the current war in Ukraine is the eastward expansion of NATO, scaring the shit out of the Russians, with NATO expansion, which is totally unnecessary, doesn't help the United States, NATO itself doesn't help the United States, and so I'm not pro-Russian for saying that, I'm pro-American for saying that, and I think that's a really compelling story, because it's true.
02:12:18.000You know, like, this is why we have term limits.
02:12:19.000Very few kings don't get crazy in old age.
02:12:22.000Yeah, and you said some of this also in your post-Kremlin discussion while you're in Moscow still, which was very impressive to me that you can just openly criticize.
02:12:50.000Some great conversations will involve some challenging... Like, you were confused about denazification.
02:12:55.000Well, first of all, I accept your criticism, and I accept it as true, that in some way I'm probably pivoting against what I dislike.
02:13:02.000And I have such contempt for American journalists on the basis of so much knowledge that I probably was like, I don't want to be like that.
02:13:11.000As for the Nazi thing, I was like, I really felt like we were just speaking so far past each other that we would never like come to, it's like, I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
02:13:18.000And that, and especially when I decided or concluded that he really meant it, I was like, that's just too freaking weird to me.
02:13:23.000It's almost like, yeah, I can think of many other examples where you're interviewing someone, they'll say something that's like, I was interviewing a guy one time and he started talking about the black Israelites.
02:13:49.000So, I mean, I can easily gain 30 pounds and not know it.
02:13:50.000So, like, I'm probably not a great person to ask, but no, he seemed fine.
02:13:53.000He seemed, um, he had his arm hooked through a chair, and I heard people say he's got Parkinson's, and, um, Parkinson's can be controlled, I know, uh, for periods with drugs.
02:15:12.000The fact that they turned him down is so shocking to me, but it's true.
02:15:15.000Then he approaches the next president, George W. Bush, that was with Bill Clinton at the end of his term in 2000.
02:15:18.000He approaches the next president and said, let's, in our next missile deal, let's align on this, and we'll designate Iran as our common enemy.
02:15:24.000Iran, which is now effectively in league with Russia, thanks to our insane policies.
02:15:29.000And George W. Bush, to his credit, is like, well, that seems like kind of an innovative good idea.
02:15:33.000And Condi Rice, who's like one of the stupidest people ever to hold power in the United States, if I can say, who's like monomaniacally anti-Russia, because she had an advisor at Stanford who was, or something, during the Cold War.
02:15:40.000No, we can't do that, and Bush is just weak.
02:15:42.000Who is their advisor that's in because Stan when you hear Stanford Stanford's a big red flag, like I said with that other guy before Who is your mentor I'm curious now Rice was hired as an assistant professor Does it say
02:16:10.000She plays the flute, right, or the piano.
02:18:28.000It doesn't talk too much about the Clean Break authors, doesn't talk too much about the Jewish ones, but in a lot of these it says, oh, well, you know, some of them were Jewish, and some of them were this, and, you know, but a lot of them weren't, you know, but Dick Cheney wasn't Jewish, and George Bush wasn't Jewish, and, and Condoleezza Rice wasn't Jewish, but then you go and find, well, even the ones that aren't Jewish, they're mentored by
02:21:45.000I didn't too much, though, about his, uh, profile.
02:21:49.000Anyway... And so he agreed, it's like, anti-innovative, good idea, and Condi Rice, who's like, one of the stupidest people ever to hold power in the United States, if I can say, who's like, monomaniacally anti-Russia, because she had an advisor at Stanford who was, or something, during the Cold War, no, we can't do that, and Bush is just weak, and so he agreed, it's like, what?
02:22:04.000If you're fighting with someone, and the person says, you know what, actually, our interests align, and you've spent 80% of your mental disk space on hating me and opposing me and whatever, but actually, we can be on the same team,
02:22:12.000If you don't, at least, see that as progress?
02:25:38.000Matt Walsh, there was like a little symposium where Matt Walsh, Jordan Peterson, and Chris Ruffa, they were all basically asked the same question, which is, who?
02:25:46.000And they all gave this convoluted answer.
02:25:49.000Jordan Peterson said something like, it's a decentralized something that inhabits a multitude.
02:25:54.000That temporarily inhabits a multitude.
02:26:04.000And every answer, each one was more convoluted than the other.
02:26:08.000I don't know if that was when I was on Twitter, so it's not on my Telegram.
02:26:24.000You know what, it's probably in my Google Docs somewhere.
02:26:45.000Oh Keith just tagged me maybe he has it Whoops get out of here.
02:26:53.000Okay Here we go, here we go, here's the post Thank You Keith Keith is such a W dude the bro the Brody
02:27:06.000All right, this is, uh... Oh, I'm blocked!
02:29:37.000It wasn't that long ago that the United States had an entire class of people known as, as I've sometimes called it, you know, because when I actually look at, you know, what the Vatican is, or in this case, the swamp, the deep state, the cathedral, as I've sometimes called it, you know, the sort of the oligarchic power structure of
02:31:21.000I hate this font, but this is what we got, okay?
02:31:28.000So I think there was supposed to be one more from that period, like that same week, that said something very similar, but these are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
02:31:43.000So Yarvin... This is Curtis Yarvin, who's a pretty big deal, and let's just also...
02:31:51.000Curtis Yarvin says, I actually look at what the Vatican is, or in this case,
02:32:08.000The swamp, the deep state is the cathedral, as I've sometimes called it, you know, the sort of oligarchic power structure of America, which is completely decentralized.
02:32:21.000Decentralized, there's no center anywhere.
02:32:23.000There's like, there's no one you can point to, there's no race or class, a little meeting, there's no protocols about the Zion, there's no conspiracy.
02:36:29.000Sort of like highly ambitious midwit who gets this degree from Stanford and your whole life like thinking that Russia is the center of evil in the world.
02:36:39.000It's kind of hard to be like, well, actually there's a new threat and it's coming from farther east.
02:37:03.000If we say the woke, we generally know that we're speaking about people who think in certain ways, that they've adopted some of this power analysis.
02:38:34.000So you actually mentioned this, it's not just the Cold War, it's World War II that populates most of their thinking in Washington.
02:38:40.000You mentioned Churchill, Chamberlain, and Hitler, and they're kind of seeing the World War II as kind of the good war, and the successful role the United States played in that war.
02:38:48.000They're kind of seeing that dynamic, that geopolitical dynamic, and applying it everywhere else still.
02:39:24.000He knows about the cliches about Neville Chamberlain.
02:39:27.000No, I think he knows about the Holocaust.
02:39:29.000I wonder, does he have, like, Holocaust relatives or something?
02:39:48.000It's funny when he, because he's actually on the money when he says it's important to know World War II because they're obsessed with it and they don't even really know about the war, but they know about something else.
02:40:40.000Everything to them, the most vulnerable, I would say, among them, emotionally, psychologically vulnerable, the toughest, they will always say the same thing.
02:40:47.000And it appeals to Republican voters, unfortunately, that every problem is the result of weakness.
02:43:46.000I think it was extremely, like, we have to acknowledge how important that interview was for the record and for opening the door for conversation.
02:43:53.000Like, opening the door to conversation literally is the path to, like, more conversations and peace, peace talks.
02:43:57.000Well, I would flip it around and say anyone who seeks to shut that down,
02:44:00.000By focusing on a supermarket video of four minutes versus a two hour and 15 minute long interview with a world leader.
02:44:04.000Anyone who doesn't want more conversation, who wants fewer facts, fewer perspectives is totalitarian.
02:47:39.000I finally gave up, but I'd call and be like, all right, you guys claim that these inconsistencies, this, you know, whatever this happened, give me evidence and I'll put it on TV.
02:47:45.000You know, it's my job to bring stuff that is not going to be aired anywhere else to the public.
02:47:49.000I couldn't it was like it was insane how incompetent and unserious they weren't able to provide well here's the here's the point of the story and of that text so then they say well dead people voted well that's just an easy call okay if a dead person voted we can prove someone's dead because like being dead is one of the few things we're good at like verifying because you start to smell okay and there's a record of it so the death certificate so it's like give me the names of people who are dead who voted then we can get their registration we can show they voted
02:50:45.000Once he's out, he becomes incalculably less powerful, even in the minds of his own supporters.
02:50:50.000My view is the most important thing we can do, maybe the only thing we can do, is try to save the things that make America worth living in.
02:50:56.000For me, that begins with the First and Second Amendment.
02:50:58.000There's no question that he will jeopardize those things.
02:52:05.000I have no doubt there was fraud, but at this point Trump and Lyn and Powell have so discredited their own case and the rest of us to some extent.
02:53:20.000So, we still have not had a full accounting for all these texts.
02:53:22.000I think he's just covering his ass because Trump is back, and Trump is probably gonna win.
02:53:27.000So now, that he got caught on the, he got caught red-handed, he's gonna say, oh well, it was really nothing, oh I was just mad about this one thing.
02:53:37.000My producer, and I was like venting, it's like a producer I was really close to, and I've known him for a long time, he's really smart, and uh, and he's like, he was someone I could like be honest with, and I was like, ah!
02:53:44.000And by the way, it's so funny, I mean, now I'm doing What Was Me, which I will keep to a minimum, but... It's like stealing someone's text, like... He did it for months, too.
02:53:51.000He did it in November, December, and January.
02:53:53.000So the initial thing that he's talking about here was in November.
02:54:20.000I try to be... I try to be transparent.
02:54:23.000I mean, I also think, by the way, if you watch someone over time, you don't always know what they really think, but you can tell if someone's lying.
02:54:29.000You know, you can sort of feel it in people.
02:55:37.000Excuse me, all these years later, now that Biden is firmly in, and we're facing the next one, and now he says, oh yeah, of course it was totally fake.
02:56:28.000And that's very clear in other countries, I guess, but it's not clear here.
02:56:31.000So, but I would say it's this election that, I mean, it took me a while to come to this, but it's this election that's the referendum on democracy.
02:59:07.000Why did they not connect to a degree to where... It's such an interesting... I mean, I think it's a really interesting question.
02:59:12.000There are a million different answers.
02:59:13.000And of course, I don't fully understand it, even though I feel like I've watched it pretty carefully.
02:59:18.000I would say the bottom line is there's so much money vested in the federal apparatus, in the parties, in the government.
02:59:24.000As I said a minute ago, our economy is dominated by monopolies, but the greatest of all monopolies is the federal monopoly, which oversees and controls all the other monopolies.
02:59:31.000So it's like, it's really substantially about the money.
02:59:33.000It's not ideological, it's about the money.
02:59:34.000And if someone controls the federal government, I mean, at this point, it's the most powerful organization in human history.
02:59:39.000Like, it's kind of hard to, it's kind of hard to fight that.
02:59:41.000In the case of Trump, I know the answer there.
03:00:01.000But the second they rated Mar-a-Lago on a documents charge, as someone from D.C., I was like, I know a lot about classification and all that stuff and been around it a lot.
03:00:14.000If you can take out a presidential candidate on a fake charge, use the justice system to take the guy out of the race, then we don't have a representative democracy anymore.
03:00:20.000And I think a lot of Republican voters felt that way.
03:00:23.000If they hadn't indicted him, I'm not sure he would be the nominee.
03:01:21.000So speaking of the Justice Department, CIA and intelligence agencies of that nature, which you've been traveling quite a bit, probably tracked by everybody.
03:01:28.000Which is the most powerful intelligence agency do you think?
03:03:11.000I was unsuited for it, so I'm glad they turned me down.
03:03:13.000But the point is, I didn't see CIA as a threat, partly because I was bathing in propaganda about CIA, and I didn't really understand what it was and didn't want to know.
03:03:18.000But second, because my impression at the time was it was outwardly focused.
03:04:11.000So I mean, again, I grew up around this stuff, but I never really thought, I never reached the obvious conclusion, which is that if the U.S.
03:04:18.000government subverts democracy in other countries in the name of democracy, it will over time subvert democracy in my country.
03:06:57.000I believe in sovereignty, as mentioned, and I think each country has to make decisions based on its own interests, but also with reference to its own capabilities.
03:07:04.000It's a long-term interest and it's very unwise for, uh, I'm not a huge fan of treaties.
03:07:11.000aid, military aid to Israel and the implied security guarantees, some explicit, but many implied security guarantees of the United States to Israel probably haven't helped Israel that much long-term, you know?
03:07:19.000It's a rich country with a highly capable population like every other country.
03:07:21.000It's probably best if it makes its decisions based on what- It doesn't help Israel.
03:07:27.000The foreign aid and the security guarantees long-term don't help Israel.
03:07:33.000Wasn't there, is it commentary magazine?
03:08:46.000Fred Siegel works for the Manhattan Institute, old friend of David Sidorsky, mentor of Kostin Alomariu.
03:08:55.000Anyway, Jacob Siegel and Leo Leibovitz called for an end to USA to Israel, opened a fresh debate over a topic dominated by outdated assumptions and emotional entreaties.
03:09:05.000To deepen the conversation, Tablet invited a group that includes a retired IDF general, U.S.
03:09:10.000senators, members of Congress, Middle East diplomats, writers, to give their thoughts on it.
03:09:16.000Let's read the article from Jacob Siegel, by the way, because this echoes what Tucker just said.
03:09:24.000We just go to maybe we just I haven't read this by the way.
03:09:26.000We just get to the end get the Get to the conclusion here
03:09:42.000Let Israel follow its own interests, which sometimes align with Washington, sometimes don't.
03:09:48.000If Israelis think it will ensure their security to decapitate the Iranian regime or give the Golan Heights on a platter to Bashar Assad, or develop their own homemade fighter plane and sell it to India or Saudi Arabia or China, let them go ahead.
03:10:01.000Let Israel decapitate the Iranian regime.
03:10:39.000And let American Jews who care about being Jewish focus on observance and learning their people's history instead of pimping for Lockheed Martin.
03:10:46.000If the commitment to Israel is deeper than political fashion, if it is more than a secularized idolatry, then it's time to prove it by smashing ideological idols of America's Israel debate.
03:11:02.000They are afraid of progressives using Israeli or rather foreign aid to Israel as a golden handcuffs.
03:11:11.000So when Tucker says our security guarantee isn't good for Israel, it's echoing what has been a growing Jewish position since Obama left office and maybe shortly before, really since the JCPOA.
03:11:27.000aid, military aid to Israel and the implied security guarantees, some explicit, but many implied security guarantees of the United States to Israel probably haven't helped Israel that much long-term, you know?
03:11:34.000It's a rich country with a highly capable population like every other country.
03:11:36.000It's probably best if it makes its decisions based on what it can do by itself.
03:11:41.000So I would definitely be concerned if I lived in Israel because I think... Well, good for Israel.
03:11:44.000...fair or unfair, and really this is another product of technology.
03:12:12.000Public sentiment in that area is boiling over.
03:12:14.000And I think it's gonna be hard for some of the governments in the region, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, to contain their own population.
03:12:18.000They don't want conflict with Israel at all.
03:12:19.000They were all pretty psyched, actually, for the trend in progress, the Saudi peace deal, which was never signed, but would have been great for everybody.
03:12:24.000Because, like, trade, peace, normal relations, like, that's good, okay?
03:12:35.000And, you know, if you had like a coalition of countries against Israel, I know Israel has nuclear weapons and has a capable military and all that in the backing of the United States, but like you don't, it's a small country.
03:12:46.000And I don't see any advantage in to the United States.
03:12:50.000I mean, I don't, I think it's important.
03:12:52.000For each country to make its own decisions.
03:12:53.000But it also is a place, like you said, where things are boiling over, and it could spread across multiple nations into a major military conflict.
03:12:59.000Yeah, well, I think very easily could happen.
03:13:01.000In fact, probably right after Ramadan, if I had to guess.
03:13:04.000But again, I don't think you can overstate the lack of wisdom, weakness, short-term thinking of American foreign policy leadership.
03:13:11.000These are the architects of the Iraq War, of the totally pointless destruction of Libya, totally pointless destruction of Syria, and the 20-year occupation of Afghanistan that resulted in a return to status quo.
03:13:48.000And I'm not sure he's capable of making wise long-term decisions anyway.
03:13:51.000But if I was just, like, an Israeli, I'd be like, I don't know if I want, like, all this help and guidance.
03:13:57.000So yeah, I actually think it's worse than just having just returned from the Middle East and talking to a lot of pretty open-minded sort of pro-Israeli Arabs who want stability above all.
03:14:05.000The merchant class always wants stability.
03:14:30.000And it's just like thinks that jumping up and down and making these absurd like statements, repeating bumper stickers is like leadership or something.
03:14:36.000A self-confident advanced society would never allow Nikki Haley to advance.
03:14:46.000I think you just speak your mind more often.
03:14:48.000I mean, you can completely disagree with my opinions, but in the case of Nikki Haley, it's not like an opinion form just from watching television, which I don't watch.
03:14:54.000It's an opinion form from knowing Nikki Haley, so...
03:15:38.000It's just interesting that his dad was in South Africa for the election and he was in Albania and he lived down the street from the guy that killed Mossadegh and he was and Tucker was bathed in CIA propaganda his dad now works for the Hungarian lobbying firm and you know when Tucker and and his father negotiated deals on behalf of the U.S.
03:15:59.000government with Belize and with USSR and Korea and China
03:16:04.000And it's just interesting when Tucker interviews world leaders.
03:16:09.000When Tucker goes abroad and interviews world leaders, like shortly before Millet gets elected and pulls out of BRICS, or when he goes and interviews Santiago Ovax, or he interviews Orban, or goes in Canada before Trudeau's election where he's expected to be overthrown this year.
03:16:42.000But it's also, you know, we're so physically, geographically isolated from the world, even though I traveled a ton as a kid, a lot, you know, more than most people.
03:16:48.000But even now, I'm like, I'm so parochial.
03:16:50.000I'm so, I see everything through this lens, and getting out and seeing the rest of the world, to which we really are connected, like, that's real.
03:16:58.000So I, yeah, I mean, at this stage, I don't, you know, kind of need to do it, but I really want to just motivated by curiosity and trying to expand my own mind and not be closed minded and really see the fullest perspective I possibly can in order to render wise judgments.
03:17:10.000I mean, that's like the whole journey of life.
03:17:13.000I was just hanging out with Rogan yesterday, Joe Rogan, and I mentioned to him that it's me being a fan of his show, that I would love for him to talk with you, and he said he's up for it.
03:17:22.000Any reason you guys haven't done it already?
03:19:20.000The thing I admire about him most, honestly, is that he's a good father, he's a good husband, he's a good family man for many years, and that's his place where he escapes from the world to, and it's just beautiful.
03:19:47.000But how do I have, like, not been, you know, transformed into a totally insufferable megalomaniac who is checking his Twitter replies every day or every minute?
03:20:35.000You know, you hear these people... It's actually changed my theology a little bit, not that I have deep theology, but... Like, I grew up in a society in Southern California... I'm so sick of the false modesty I'm over.
03:21:10.000But like on a bigger scale, you're not only the sum total of your choices.
03:21:14.000Like things happen to you that you didn't deserve, good and bad.
03:21:16.000And marriage is, and I'll speak for myself, in that case, in my case, just one of them, and I could say, I mean, clearly spending time with the person you're married to, talking, enjoying each other, you know, I have a lot of rituals, we have a lot of rituals that ensure that, but in 40 years, like, you change, you're like a different person, you know, I like did drugs, I was drinking all the time when we met, you know, it's been a long time since I've been done that, I'm very different, and so is she, but we're different in ways that are complimentary and happy, we've never been happier, so, like, how do we pull that off?
03:23:57.000There are people who pose as atheists, but no one's purely rational.
03:24:01.000And everyone, I mean this is a cliche for a reason, everyone under extreme stress appeals to a power higher than himself because everyone knows that there is a power higher than himself.
03:24:07.000So really it's just people who are gripped with a delusion that they're God.
03:24:18.000And I will say, by contrast, the only people I trust are the people who know their limits.
03:24:21.000And I was thinking actually this morning in my sauna, of all the people I've interviewed or met, this is someone I've never interviewed, but I have talked to him a couple of times, the greatest leader I've ever met in the world is literally a king.
03:24:32.000It's MBC Sheikh Mohammed of Abu Dhabi, who is Muslim.
03:24:47.000Well, I could bore you for an hour on the subject, but the
03:24:49.000The reason that he's such a good leader is because he's guided by an ever-present knowledge of his limitations, and of the limits of his power, and of his foresight.
03:24:57.000And when you start there, when you start with reality, it's not even humility.
03:25:10.000But I've never seen anybody more at ease with admitting that than MBZ, just a remarkable person.
03:25:15.000And for that reason, he is treated as an oracle.
03:25:18.000I don't think people understand the number of world leaders who traipse through his house or palace to seek his counsel.
03:25:23.000I'm not sure that there is a parallel since, I don't want to get too hyperbolic here, but honestly, since Solomon, where people come from around the world to ask what he thinks.
03:27:20.000Like, in the end, you know, again, these aren't even cliches anymore because no one says them, but when I was a kid, people would say, on your deathbed, you never wish you spent more time at work.
03:27:28.000And I mean, everyone said that it was like one of these things.
03:27:29.000And now now I don't think Google allows you to say that.
03:27:31.000It's like, no, you're gonna wish you spent more time at work.
03:27:41.000And if you have the opportunity, a lot of people are being denied the opportunity to have children.
03:27:45.000And this messing with the gender roles.
03:27:46.000I'm not even talking about the tranny stuff.
03:27:47.000I mean, I mean, feminism has so destroyed people's brains and the ability of young people to connect with each other and stay together and have fruitful lives.
03:27:55.000It's like nothing's been more destructive than that.
03:28:04.000By the way, everyone gets together, most people get together on the basis, in a Western society where there's no arranged marriages, they get together on the basis of sexual attraction.
03:29:03.000Last thing I'll say, the whole point of life is to create, okay?
03:29:06.000The act of creation, which is like dying in the West, in the arts, and in its most pure expression, which is children, that's all that's worth doing while you're alive, is creating something beautiful.
03:29:15.000And creating children, by the way, it's super fun.
03:30:25.000I'm not interested, not a commerce guy, so I don't buy anything.
03:30:27.000So it's like a whole thing I'm not good at.
03:30:29.000But luckily, you know, I'm really blessed to have friends who are involved in this who are good at that.
03:30:34.000So I feel, I feel positive about it, but mostly I am.
03:30:38.000I'm totally committed to only doing the things that I am good at and enjoy, and not doing anything else, because I don't want to waste my time.
03:30:43.000And so I'm just getting to do what I want to do, and I'm really loving it.
03:30:46.000What hope, positive hope, do you have for the future of human civilization in, say, 50 years, 100 years, 200 years?
03:30:51.000People are great just by their nature.
03:30:52.000I mean, they're super complicated, but I like people.
03:30:57.000You know, if I was sitting with Nikki Haley, who I guess I've been pretty clear I'm not like a mega fan of Nikki Haley's, I would enjoy it.
03:31:27.000And we've got an unusually bad set right now, but we'll have better ones at some point.
03:31:30.000I just don't want to... I don't... One thing I don't like more than nuclear weapons and more than AI, the one thing that really, really bothers me is the idea of using technology to change the human brain permanently.
03:31:39.000Because you're tampering with the secret sauce.
03:32:51.000I'm sympathetic to some of his ideas, but not, of course, sending mail bombs to people, because I like people.
03:32:54.000But, I mean, I don't believe in violence at all.
03:32:57.000I think the problem with technology, one of the problems with technology is the way that people approach it in a very kind of mindless, heedless way.
03:33:03.000And I think it's important this idea that it's inexorable and we can't control it.
03:33:05.000And if we don't do it, someone else will.
03:33:27.000But, uh, I prize it, and I think that people with power should think about future generations, and I don't see that kind of thinking at all.
03:34:19.000There's your review of the Tucker Carlson Lex Fridman podcast I'm very interested in what Tucker has to say because of course he's extremely influential now maybe even more so than he was when he was at Fox News and I'm always curious to hear what he says about specific matters not necessarily Russia, but these things like Trump and Israel-Palestine and his upbringing because of course
03:36:17.000I mean, if you're good... If you're good, we're gonna be opening up applications again soon so you can apply and we'll take a look and... Yeah, maybe.
03:37:27.000Do you find it annoying when you spend an hour monologue painting a clear picture of something and then superchatters repeat it back to you like it's their idea?
03:37:35.000I'm just annoyed by everything the superch... everything that superchatters say is just... well, not all of it, but most of it is just completely unthinking nonsense.
03:40:02.000I've grown up atheist and last night listened to your advice and for the first time asked God to help strengthen my faith by any means but since then my cat's been missing for 15 hours.
03:40:37.000Hey Nick, what college degrees do you feel like can help a political movement the most and how important is the college that you get into?
03:40:46.000Well my advice for any Groipers is to go to community college for two years and then apply to the college you want to graduate from because for someone like me and for most people if you don't have money to go to college
03:42:33.000If I could do it all over again, and part of me wishes I could, just on the academic side, because I wish I actually stayed in universities,
03:42:41.000Because I feel like I can't now reach my full potential because I never followed through on that.
03:42:48.000If I could have done that all over again, I would have gotten an associate's degree, a two-year degree at a community college.
03:42:56.000I would have then transferred to maybe U of I.
03:43:01.000Or another school in Illinois so I could get in-state tuition.
03:43:05.000So I would have went to U of I or maybe tried to get into Northwestern or UChicago.
03:43:10.000And then I would have graduated from there with much lower tuition because it's in-state tuition and much lower debt because I'd only be going to a major university for two years.
03:43:21.000And then maybe I would have went to graduate school and then it's different.
03:43:24.000It's a different story But that is what if you are if you're rich, it doesn't matter if your parents can pay then let your parents pay But and you do whatever you want but if you are like most people and it's cost prohibitive
03:48:44.000Father Groyper sent $3, I can't tell if these NJFA loggers on Twitter are all Jewish, or just jaded superchatters pissed you called them retarded.
03:50:30.000Hope you enjoyed the stream I'm gonna try and do another one this week about patriot front.
03:50:33.000It's just this thing came up So I wanted to cover it, but I'll probably do another one of these hopefully earlier in the day later this week or weekend
03:52:51.000Paparazzi love me, they show up to everything!
03:53:13.000All that word of mouth couldn't take me out After all I let your kids in the house going crazy Cause I still can Still can Still can Deadlines, I gave a shit like Still can Still can