America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - UKRAINE WAR DEBATE: Fuentes vs Counterpoints | America First Ep. 991UKRAINE WAR DEBATE: Fuentes vs Counterpoints | America First Ep. 991

00:00:00.000 We're good to go.

00:00:20.000 Side, you know, just viewing some content.

00:00:23.000 There, you know, there has been praise for China in the past, whereas some of these things I view as, like, absolutely contradictory to the United States.

00:00:34.000 And by that, I mean, like, just look at the way that they're managing COVID.

00:00:37.000 They're literally, like, basically locking down people into a tiny city.

00:00:40.000 They're killing their animals in order to have zero COVID. 0.55

00:00:43.000 You know, they're basically, they have, like, what do you call it?

00:00:46.000 Like the surveillance state? 0.98

00:00:47.000 You think the surveillance states of the United States is fucking bad. 1.00

00:00:50.000 They basically don't even give a shit. 1.00

00:00:51.000 They're just like, yep, this is what we're doing. 1.00

00:00:53.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:00:53.000 Social credit. 1.00

00:00:54.000 So that's where, from my perspective, with the acknowledgement of the tripolar world, or the quadpolar world, okay, fine.

00:01:03.000 That's the bent of history.

00:01:05.000 But does it matter what we advocate for?

00:01:08.000 And is liberalism the best system to advocate for globally?

00:01:12.000 And I suspect that you would say no.

00:01:14.000 And that's kind of the real contestation.

00:01:19.000 Yeah, so then I guess the question, the problem is this, the problem is I am ultimately a realist, and I think that we can talk about

00:01:35.000 We can compare the systems and say, you know, liberal democracy versus whatever the Chinese have, if you want to call that a mixed economy, a market socialist or state capitalist or something.

00:01:47.000 But the reality is Chinese power. 0.92

00:01:49.000 The reality is Russian and Chinese power. 0.94

00:01:52.000 And China will not be a liberal country anytime soon.

00:01:56.000 Russia will not be a liberal country anytime soon.

00:02:00.000 It's just not in the character of that nation.

00:02:05.000 It's interesting to hear you say that.

00:02:07.000 I'm asking you what you want.

00:02:09.000 What do I want?

00:02:10.000 Yeah.

00:02:11.000 I want a Christian empire, is what I want. 0.78

00:02:16.000 I would like to see the United States continue.

00:02:19.000 I would like to see American primacy, but I would like to see, you talk about moral, I would like to see real morality which proceeds from God and which proceeds from Christianity. 0.87

00:02:32.000 So I would like to see something like U.S.

00:02:34.000 primacy, an alliance with Europe, an alliance with Russia.

00:02:38.000 You called out a posse.

00:02:39.000 That's Richard Haass coined that term in Watchful Sheriff, I believe.

00:02:46.000 A posse between, yeah, Christendom, the Russian, and Sam Huntington, when he broke down Clash of Civilizations.

00:02:53.000 He said, you have the Orthodox civilization, you have the so-called Western civilization.

00:02:58.000 I think the natural alliance would be between the Orthodox and the Western civilization against Sinaic and Muslim civilization, or you could use the Richard Haass lingo and say that's a posse, France, 0.99

00:03:11.000 You got it.

00:03:28.000 So, I would basically say that there's a lot of things going for it, which is Central America, South America, and North America are Christian-descended colonial states that all have a history of Christendom, so they all have that history.

00:03:45.000 Europe as a whole has that history, and Russia as a whole has that history, if you're talking about an alliance between the Orthodox and the Catholic, and God help me, Protestants, right? 0.96

00:03:54.000 The problem is that at the core of this imperium is the story of Christ, and it seems like with every passing decade we're getting more secular, more hedonistic, more nihilistic, moving away from the message, and it seems that with technology and mass culture and internationalism or globalism, whatever you want to call it,

00:04:21.000 It seems like the opportunity for this kind of national or identifiable revival, for it to be literally like an L-shaped empire on top of the world, is... I don't know how you would achieve a Christian revival in the United States, a Christian revival in Europe, get people to see this as a cooperative opportunity, and recreate the Christendom empire.

00:04:47.000 I just...

00:04:48.000 Do you see the, if I, if you're a doomer about liberalists or liberal empire, how can you be optimistic about Christian empire?

00:04:58.000 Well, I think the case of the Soviet Union is instructive.

00:05:02.000 The Soviet Union was an atheistic pariah state for nearly a century.

00:05:09.000 And they promulgated atheism and communism throughout the world, Bolshevism for, you know, the better part of the last century. 0.88

00:05:17.000 And what has emerged is not... I'm under no illusions about Russia.

00:05:21.000 You know, some people have wrongly attributed this idea to me that

00:05:25.000 I support Putin because Russia's based and trad, and I recognize that it's not really those things.

00:05:31.000 Have you seen their sweet military church?

00:05:34.000 Because it's pretty cool looking.

00:05:35.000 I have.

00:05:35.000 It is very cool.

00:05:36.000 I do like the Orthodox churches.

00:05:39.000 But when you look at Vladimir Putin, who is, you could say, the new emperor, I mean, just like they had a czar and then they had a general secretary, now they've got their president.

00:05:47.000 We all know functionally what that is.

00:05:50.000 It's the old Cesaro papism, right?

00:05:52.000 It's the old, not perfectly, but it's the old sort of strongman leader.

00:05:56.000 He is bringing back the Orthodox Christian Church. 0.96

00:06:01.000 And certainly that is supplanting, if the mythology of communism is what animated the Soviet Union, if that was their sort of

00:06:10.000 Founding idea.

00:06:11.000 Orthodox Christianity and sort of Russian Empire is the new mythology of the federal Russian state.

00:06:18.000 And so I actually don't think it's so outlandish to say that there would be a Christian revival in America and that that would not form the basis.

00:06:25.000 Because here's the thing.

00:06:27.000 I think that the liberal premise of America is really the thing that's falling apart in the wake of multiracialism, in the wake of technology and wealth inequality. 0.85

00:06:39.000 I think it's actually liberalism which is the ideology that's failing.

00:06:43.000 If I were to look at the systems, if we were to look at it morally between China and the United States and Russia,

00:06:50.000 Which system would have the most longevity?

00:06:53.000 When I look at the BLM, Tranny, you know, nightmare country run by Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos, compared to China, which has Confucianism and has this idea of like Chinese Han ethnic supremacy, and again the Russian Orthodox Church, I would definitely put it on the latter two things, as opposed to our fledgling system. 1.00

00:07:15.000 I think that

00:07:16.000 Um, there isn't even really a, uh, there's not even really like a Western canon anymore.

00:07:21.000 What's the canon?

00:07:22.000 Malcolm X?

00:07:24.000 And, uh, Elie Wiesel?

00:07:25.000 I mean, this is not, this is not a canon that forms the basis of a great empire.

00:07:29.000 So, um... The, uh, yeah, so this is interesting.

00:07:32.000 Uh, the, this...

00:07:34.000 Part of the structural problem with liberalism is that it doesn't have a lot of like moral prescriptions, right?

00:07:41.000 It's like a syncretist worldview in which you can incorporate anybody under their belief structure as long as they adhere to liberalism, as long as they pay their taxes, as long as they agree to like the little charter of human rights that we have.

00:07:54.000 But I do agree, not only do I agree with this charter of human rights, but I actually think it's quite powerful.

00:07:59.000 If you look at the cultural narrative of, I think you could just as easily say Germany.

00:08:06.000 They had a strong core.

00:08:07.000 They had fascism.

00:08:08.000 They had Christianity co-opted by the state. 0.57

00:08:11.000 They had political corporatism and a narrative that allowed them to reach out into their world and create their imperial state.

00:08:21.000 We can get into like the historical whatever, but basically what happened is a bunch of disparate, disunified, broken, culturally bankrupt, whatever the fuck you want to call them, countries didn't want to get pushed around. 0.99

00:08:34.000 They came together under a single banner of fuck Germany and they kicked them right in the teeth. 0.98

00:08:38.000 And that's also what I kind of see in Russia right now, where you have countries that were previously completely anti-NATO that are getting ready. 0.99

00:08:48.000 Germany is actually funding its military.

00:08:51.000 Sweet.

00:09:06.000 And weapons that poured into Ukraine from Western Europe and from the Western world.

00:09:13.000 I think that that really sustained the Ukrainian Armed Forces to fight battles that we didn't expect them to fight.

00:09:18.000 I think we expected, I expected them to capitulate.

00:09:21.000 I thought that they were going to fall apart in two weeks and they're still fighting right now.

00:09:24.000 So that's where I'm saying like the Western Empire, while disunified narratively, and that's something that I want to kind of like challenge and fix, the actual

00:09:36.000 Material wealth is there, and then it seems like when there's a crisis, we come together. 0.92

00:09:43.000 And so that's where, for me, the cultural unity doesn't mean much if it's a dogshit culture. 0.99

00:09:49.000 I would say that I would disagree about your characterization of World War II, that everybody got together to kick the shit nuggets out of the Nazis. 0.98

00:10:03.000 I don't think that's actually how it happened, because you had Imperial Japan, and Nazi Germany, and Fascist Italy, and you had, was it Austria-Hungary was with them? 0.80

00:10:14.000 They actually had a lot going for them, I think.

00:10:17.000 Germany took over the entire continent. 0.96

00:10:19.000 They took over Africa. 1.00

00:10:22.000 And if they just... Then what happened?

00:10:24.000 Well, then, of course, they attacked the Soviet Union. 0.74

00:10:26.000 And that was their mistake.

00:10:29.000 And they got their nightmare coalition of Russia, France, the UK, America. 0.78

00:10:36.000 But, if Japan... Well, because remember, the United States declares war on Japan, and Nazi Germany declares war on the United States.

00:10:44.000 If the United States was kept out of the war, and if the Soviet Union were kept out of the war, we would have had a German, fascist Europe. 0.70

00:10:53.000 We would have had an imperial, Japanese Asia. 0.99

00:10:57.000 It would have been a totally different world, but there were a couple of key things that happened there.

00:11:01.000 And not that that would be a good thing, that would be a horrible thing.

00:11:04.000 I'm not saying that like I want that.

00:11:09.000 I don't want that.

00:11:11.000 I wanted Moscow and London to win.

00:11:14.000 I love the Jews and Moscow. 0.75

00:11:16.000 Rob Childs in London!

00:11:18.000 I can tell, yeah.

00:11:19.000 Okay. 0.85

00:11:21.000 Alright, so let me ask you a real question, because this is something that's been, like, fucking crawled in the back of my head for a really long time. 0.58

00:11:28.000 Alright, based...

00:11:30.000 Orthodox, Western, Christian, Imperium, across the Western world, etc, etc.

00:11:36.000 We follow our own cultural narrative, maybe because race isn't nothing but it's not everything.

00:11:43.000 There's a bunch of parallel European colonialist societies in the Americas that all have their distinct cultures and parallel moves going forward, but they're all unified into this broader Christian and Imperium or whatever.

00:11:56.000 Let's say this is the ideal.

00:11:58.000 Then, so I think, okay, whatever, Christian monarchism or Christian, not even really like theocracy, because, I mean, obviously you could achieve these things within, like, a republic that was just heavily Christian that had Christian values.

00:12:12.000 So you wouldn't have to completely overturn the system.

00:12:17.000 But there is a, what I would say, if I was to boil fascism down, which we all know is bad, you know, disavow, disavow, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:27.000 Yeah, so political, so I view fascism as two key tenets, which is political corporatism and flexible authoritarianism.

00:12:35.000 What I mean by political corporatism is just treating the nation as a body, identifying the parts that are hurting, identify the parts that feel good, basically using the parts that feel good in order to heal the parts that are weak, and to try to create a healthy, happy, regenerative society over time.

00:12:52.000 I actually have no problem with political corporatism.

00:12:54.000 I think that it's how most nation states operated throughout history.

00:12:57.000 And I think it's a useful tool to evaluate the health of a society and try to fix social ills.

00:13:05.000 So I'm completely cool with political corporatism.

00:13:08.000 Where I get lost is the flexible authoritarianism basically saying, like, the rules that we create for ourselves, republicanism, principles, maybe what you see as a myth of liberalism, all that kind of stuff, these things don't matter.

00:13:25.000 And whatever rules or organizations or institutions that stand in our way, we need to push past because our broader goals are more important than the laws that our forefathers kind of enshrined for us or the institutions that came before us.

00:13:39.000 We have a vision.

00:13:39.000 We have to achieve it.

00:13:40.000 Whatever we need to do in order to achieve that goal is necessary.

00:13:44.000 So for me,

00:13:46.000 I'll wrap it up.

00:13:47.000 But how do you view yourself on that spectrum as far as like respect for the Constitution or respect for Republicanism or the liberal enlightenment project and what you would be willing to do to transform it to achieve this broader ideological goal?

00:14:03.000 Well, I would say that maybe what would differentiate a so-called reactionary from a liberal, I'm a believer in the Constitution, I'm a believer in the Bill of Rights and these things, but I guess maybe the departure is that we believe that the

00:14:21.000 The government should not be cultivating things that will undo itself.

00:14:26.000 And so I think that's a key distinction, is where somebody like myself would depart from a regular conservative, where I would say that if we're doing something that is in principle the liberal thing to do, but yet it's going to give us what we know to be a bad outcome, I would not want the bad outcome.

00:14:47.000 And I understand this idea that we need to be a nation of laws and there needs to be norms and things like that.

00:14:55.000 But Schmidt writes about this, that the government has to protect the established order, even if that means compromising the principles under which the established order is founded.

00:15:07.000 So yeah, I don't call myself a fascist.

00:15:10.000 I honestly think that fascism is a little bit of a spook.

00:15:15.000 Because you look at the kinds of fascism, and it's all sort of, you've got National Socialism, you've got Falangism, you've got what Mussolini had, and those are really the three fascist countries, and National Socialism and Falangism are sort of exceptional. 0.69

00:15:32.000 There's really only one general fascism that you've ever had, so I don't really think it's

00:15:37.000 I don't know how real it even is.

00:15:39.000 I think it's really just a sort of, um, it's this filler word for, like, the way how things used to be.

00:15:44.000 I feel like that, you know, under certain definition you could say that, like, George Washington was a fascist.

00:15:49.000 I feel like you could say that, uh, a lot of... Abraham Lincoln?

00:15:54.000 Yeah, Abraham Lincoln, Stalin. 0.89

00:15:56.000 Um, I think that fascism is just so, it's sort of like this flavor of authoritarianism that, like, leftists don't like.

00:16:04.000 Yeah, okay, so would you and people who follow you or whatever, like if I was talking about Nick Fuentes with somebody else, and I just say Christian Nationalist, is there any objection or do you feel like that word doesn't encompass any particular part of your worldview?

00:16:21.000 Or do you think it's sufficiently summarizing your view?

00:16:26.000 I would say that that's sufficient.

00:16:28.000 I would say, though, that I'm a reactionary, too, because Christian nationalism could be somewhat vague, and nationalism could even be vague.

00:16:37.000 I would say I'm a reactionary.

00:16:39.000 So what do you mean by reactionary?

00:16:46.000 I mean to say that I am illiberal.

00:16:50.000 I'm reactionary, meaning as the antithesis of revolutionary, meaning I'm sort of against the outcome of the Enlightenment.

00:16:57.000 I'm against the triumph of liberalism, which is a little bit deeper, because Christian nationalism, you could take that to mean a lot of things.

00:17:05.000 You could have a very liberal definition of what that would look like.

00:17:07.000 You could kind of call what we had in America ten years ago Christian nationalism, if you were being sort of charitable.

00:17:15.000 Yeah, so that's kind of where I think we're historically opposed.

00:17:21.000 So if I was in Rome at the time of Rome, I would want to defend Rome and the Republic and the system of laws and all that kind of stuff because I would see the fruits of Rome as

00:17:33.000 It was amazing, like Imperium, syncretic cultures working together for common ends, the material wealth that was distributed by them, the rule of law, the professional military, all of these things I would view as the fruits of Roman Imperium.

00:17:49.000 In the same way I view American liberalism, I view our fruits, which is like out of an $84 trillion global economy, we're $65 trillion of it if you consider like America and American aligned governments.

00:18:02.000 We're good

00:18:21.000 I don't

00:18:37.000 And I think it's pretty easily modifiable into what I want, because what I want is... the thing that's preventing what I want is a spiritual decay.

00:18:47.000 It's a crushing of what we used to be, but that's because liberalism doesn't in and of itself have any moral prescriptions about the spiritual lives of its adherents.

00:18:55.000 Just pay your taxes. 0.98

00:18:57.000 Like, I don't care if you're a nihilist or a hedonist or a Christian or a Muslim, just pay your fucking taxes and allow the empire to continue, but when you have an entire generation that's demoralized and basically on the verge of killing themselves and they're addicted to so many things and they can't have kids, that's a fucking problem, because basically you're destroying the empire from within from rot. 0.99

00:19:13.000 Now, my prescription 0.98

00:19:16.000 I feel like Christian nationalism or Christendom is jumping back too far back.

00:19:21.000 And the reason why is because I don't believe in the resurrection.

00:19:24.000 I don't think that's a core through which you could build out the Western Imperium.

00:19:30.000 Whereas, I think that liberalism through syncretism, material power, all that kind of stuff, you could come up with a unifying narrative of multiple peoples, languages, ethnicities, and all that kind of stuff that could be sustainable

00:19:44.000 In the long term.

00:19:45.000 And I think that's an easier project than, I don't know, Christendom.

00:19:49.000 Yeah, I just think that the real problem of modernity is the nihilism.

00:19:57.000 I think that's the real problem, is the nihilism.

00:19:59.000 And there's no answer to that.

00:20:00.000 The problem you're talking about has been around for a long time.

00:20:07.000 Which is, you get rid of God, and you get rid of the moral law, and you get rid of the supernatural and the idea of the spirit, and you're left with this sort of, well, why?

00:20:17.000 Why do I care?

00:20:18.000 Why do I get out of bed? 1.00

00:20:19.000 Fuck people and do drugs. 1.00

00:20:23.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:24.000 Or kill yourself, or go kill other people. 1.00

00:20:27.000 For fun. 1.00

00:20:28.000 Yeah.

00:20:31.000 You know, without those other things, you have a real, it's a real problem of dread and a crisis of why, a crisis of meaning.

00:20:41.000 And I think that the fruits of what you see here is not the result of a liberal system, it's the result of Christendom.

00:20:47.000 It's the result of, ultimately, everything that we have here is a product of two things.

00:20:51.000 It's a product of the European race and of Christendom.

00:20:55.000 Not really so much from democracy, because of course,

00:21:00.000 You know, the technology, all these kinds of things.

00:21:04.000 That's a consequence of human ingenuity.

00:21:06.000 You could say that there's a certain kind of, like, political culture that allows people to get together in university and thrive and so on, but it rests on the foundations of truth and rationality.

00:21:18.000 And it's really, when you look at, like, where do the universities come from?

00:21:21.000 Where do these things come from?

00:21:23.000 It really came from the church.

00:21:24.000 And now that in the universities you've got sort of liberalism turned in against itself,

00:21:30.000 And it's, uh, it's just anti-white stuff and everything and irrationality and... Also...

00:21:35.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:36.000 Undermining itself.

00:21:37.000 Well, so I'm a Gnostic, okay?

00:21:40.000 I don't know if there's an afterlife, but I believe in, you know, basically a god, right?

00:21:45.000 What's the big idea going to be?

00:21:46.000 What's the thing you're talking about where all the people get together for liberalism?

00:21:51.000 Why, what's the why?

00:21:53.000 For why are we going to create a national revival and care about our will?

00:21:56.000 Oh, so we don't kill each other because the alternatives are infinitely worse.

00:21:59.000 Right.

00:22:00.000 That's, yeah, like, so maybe, maybe, maybe I haven't,

00:22:04.000 It's framed sufficient of a narrative, but if you're asking for the carrot, it's like I might have a couple of baby carrots to, you know, throw your way.

00:22:13.000 But if you're asking about the stick, I feel like the stick is pretty fucking huge, which is basically like the, I don't know, material and physical and political collapse of the Western world.

00:22:22.000 I think that should be a big enough stick to beat people into cooperation. 0.66

00:22:26.000 Yeah, but why should anyone care? 0.91

00:22:28.000 Because it'll literally kill you.

00:22:31.000 Why should anyone care, though? 0.99

00:22:34.000 We're all gonna die anyway!

00:22:35.000 Oh man!

00:22:38.000 No, I do love this, because I do think that there's a logical nihilism that people can work themselves into, and I think that we've worked ourselves into in the culture.

00:22:51.000 I think that that logical nihilism doesn't stand up to actual suffering.

00:22:57.000 Uh, so for instance, if somebody's like, well, why should I care? 0.99

00:22:59.000 Uh, you know, you should, you could just kill me now and I wouldn't give a shit because in a cosmic sense, you know, who gives a fuck? 0.99

00:23:05.000 If you pull out a knife and start chasing that person around the room, they're still going to run. 0.99

00:23:09.000 And so that's kind of my thing is like, we can start making observations about human behavior in the natural world.

00:23:16.000 And one of the things that you said that, uh, you're like, what is the foundation?

00:23:20.000 I think the way that you saw the foundation as Logos, you know, truth, like undeniable truth, that is the foundation.

00:23:28.000 And what I think is interesting, I don't racialize it.

00:23:33.000 Because I think these ideas could be universal.

00:23:36.000 I mean, you can see Japanese and Chinese Christians and all that kind of stuff.

00:23:40.000 For me, I think culture is memeable and transferable.

00:23:43.000 So I don't think that these things are set in stone, basically.

00:23:48.000 But the idea, at least as far as I understand it for Logos, is that the truth is the truth whether you like it or not.

00:23:55.000 So, Christians, Christian nationalists or whatever will say like, okay, well that means the Bible is true regardless of whether or not you like it or not, therefore you have to follow our worldview.

00:24:04.000 For me, it's a little bit crueler than that, which is the truth is the truth regardless of whether or not you like it or not, meaning that if God isn't real, if Christianity isn't real, 0.93

00:24:15.000 Then there's still a foundation there, because the truth is the truth, regardless of whether you like it or not.

00:24:21.000 And so for me, that's God.

00:24:24.000 That's Logos.

00:24:26.000 That's the foundation.

00:24:27.000 That's what you can build.

00:24:29.000 And if you do have a truth-centered society, you can extrapolate out logical paradigms.

00:24:35.000 I agree with you that existentialism, nihilism, postmodernism, it's a self-eating monster.

00:24:44.000 Where it's like, oh, well, your narrative is as good as my narrative, so why not child sacrifice? 1.00

00:24:49.000 Because fuck it, it's just your worldview, bro. 0.99

00:24:53.000 Whereas, if you did have logos, which is the truth is the truth no matter what, you could extrapolate out a logic frame which is like, 1.00

00:25:00.000 All creatures are living.

00:25:01.000 Most creatures don't want to die, with a few exceptions.

00:25:05.000 You can create suffering by hurting and harming other living creatures.

00:25:09.000 Therefore, you should minimize that as much as possible.

00:25:12.000 Therefore, if you should minimize that as much as possible, you should refrain from things like rape or murder or things that are deemed to be emotionally traumatic.

00:25:20.000 So that's where, for me,

00:25:21.000 The extrapolation is still there, and rebuilding it on Christianity is actually, I know that you're not going to concede that it's shaky ground, but for me, it's shaky ground on which to rest the world, because not everybody is going to believe in Christ, but everybody could believe in the truth.

00:25:40.000 And so that's where I have a problem with your foundation.

00:25:45.000 But Christ is the truth.

00:25:46.000 That's the thing.

00:25:47.000 And the problem with Gnosticism is, where is the concreteness?

00:25:52.000 Where is the specificity?

00:25:54.000 This sort of vapid idea and truth itself without the flesh, without a real Savior and a real doctrine and a real church and all those things.

00:26:08.000 It really does us no good.

00:26:09.000 I don't know that anybody, I don't know that a civilizational revival is going to be animated by this sort of ambiguous attachment to the truth or something.

00:26:20.000 My project is harder than yours, for sure.

00:26:24.000 Well, I think it's impossible.

00:26:25.000 I think it's impossible, and I think that what you'll get instead is the triumph of something far more cruel.

00:26:32.000 I think that society is looking back, and it's looking back to its ancient ways, and its sort of wicked nature.

00:26:40.000 And so where you don't find Christianity, you'll find people wearing rocks around their neck, you know, they're wearing crystals, and they're looking into astrology and witchcraft. 0.55

00:26:50.000 And they're looking back into these sort of primitive things and my fear is that even in an ideological sense you look at like the Russian Empire is a good example of this because you know the original debate was about Russia but it's also a good example.

00:27:05.000 You had the autocracy, which was brutal.

00:27:09.000 You know, the autocracy had a secret police, and the autocracy was sort of trying to cleanse the ethnicities on the periphery of the empire. 0.90

00:27:16.000 And then what came next was far worse.

00:27:20.000 You know, the communists that came next were absolute butchers.

00:27:25.000 And that's the kind of thing that I fear, is that

00:27:28.000 I think so.

00:27:43.000 And I think that what you're going to get in the absence of Christianity, what you could call liberalism, if you call it the Chinese system, whatever it's going to be, it's going to be brutal. 0.97

00:27:51.000 Because 0.94

00:28:09.000 It turns out that people are twisted and people are wicked. 0.90

00:28:14.000 The flesh is wicked. 0.95

00:28:15.000 The world is wicked.

00:28:16.000 And before Christ, it was a wicked and brutal and savage place.

00:28:21.000 And after Christ, I feel like it's going to go the same way.

00:28:24.000 I feel like people are not going to settle for this kind of therapeutic, liberal, managerial thing that you're talking about.

00:28:31.000 Like, we just want the truth! 0.98

00:28:33.000 I think they're going to turn to, like, we need to kill people. 0.97

00:28:36.000 We need to sacrifice people for injustice. 0.99

00:28:38.000 There's evil in the world, there's suffering in the world, and someone's got to pay, and we need to put up a scapegoat and sacrifice them.

00:28:45.000 I think that's really where the world is headed in the absence of Christianity, because that's the only thing that's powerful. 0.99

00:28:53.000 It's a moral war going on.

00:28:55.000 It's a spiritual war.

00:28:57.000 Yeah, but if I was to boil down, so for instance, like if you were to take the story, or if you were to take logos like, truth is the truth no matter what, or if you were to take the, you know, the message of Christ, like you could take, pick, I'm not trying to pick one, I'm trying to pick many of them, okay?

00:29:13.000 So, if you were trying to pick the message of Christ, like, you know, love thy neighbor as thyself, or whatever, or, for instance, like, I'm trying to think of another one that's not all soft and pussified, because I know the soft and pussified ones more than the hardcore ones.

00:29:28.000 But basically, I'm saying that there is a certain amount of, oh, like a strikos. 1.00

00:29:33.000 The meek shall inherit the earth. 1.00

00:29:35.000 Meek doesn't mean somebody who's weak, it means somebody who has discipline, strength, and restraint, and the ability to control strength.

00:29:41.000 So, for instance, there are dozens, hundreds, thousands of moral lessons that are baked into Christianity.

00:29:49.000 That I think are worthy, not only worthy of learning, but necessary to create a healthy and happy society.

00:29:56.000 But I think what happens is a lot of secular people, because it comes through religion, and a lot of them are traumatized by religion, they don't believe in the mythology, this, that, the other, you know, they're gay, or they were persecuted as kids, or somebody threw rock at them or called them a fabot.

00:30:13.000 You know, these kinds of things basically turn people off from religion, and as a result, when they turn away from it completely, they got nothing.

00:30:21.000 And for me, you know, they're kind of trying to rebuild the wheel where they create their own morality, but they do it by themselves.

00:30:29.000 Because our society has nothing to tell young people except for, like, liberal tolerance.

00:30:36.000 They make almost no moral prescriptions through the system itself.

00:30:39.000 But it doesn't have to be that way.

00:30:41.000 So, for instance, there's no reason why education can't include some level of moral education.

00:30:47.000 There's no reason why we can't talk about why truth or not cheating or anything like that is important.

00:30:54.000 And if anything, what we're viewing here through the corruption of our institutions like public school, for instance, is a lack of spine 0.71

00:31:03.000 When it comes to the liberal establishment to make moral prescriptions, but there are moral prescriptions that most people believe in like telling the truth, not stealing, not lying, you know, not being a dick, not fighting, not killing, not murdering, not raping.

00:31:17.000 These are relatively universal and could be promoted and educated.

00:31:21.000 So, you know,

00:31:22.000 I know that we're in contrary projects.

00:31:27.000 You're saying that it needs to be rooted in Christianity, and as a result, that would strengthen your position. 0.60

00:31:31.000 And I'm saying it doesn't need to be rooted in Christianity, so that strengthens my position.

00:31:35.000 But that's my point, is you're going to catch more people into the moral system if you're not saying it has to be nested within Christianity.

00:31:44.000 Yeah, I just, again... Run different projects? 1.00

00:31:48.000 No, it's this idea of like, don't be an asshole. 1.00

00:31:52.000 It's like, you cannot build a civilization on saying, don't be an asshole! 1.00

00:31:57.000 It's like, because the necessary answer to that is like, okay, why not? 1.00

00:32:03.000 Don't steal, why?

00:32:04.000 Don't kill, why?

00:32:06.000 Because it causes suffering.

00:32:09.000 Okay, why do I care?

00:32:11.000 Uh, because we're all people and we should be empathetic.

00:32:13.000 Okay, why, why ought we be empathetic?

00:32:16.000 Well, because what if someone did that to you?

00:32:18.000 Why would that matter?

00:32:19.000 You know, why would it matter if we're, if we're, if there's no soul and if there's no, if there's no meaning.

00:32:25.000 Consequence.

00:32:27.000 We have to attach significance to our existence here, and this idea that we're like on this blue rock, and like, don't take anything too seriously, bro, like, it's like, yeah, I mean, why would anyone take anything?

00:32:40.000 Why would anyone sacrifice?

00:32:42.000 Because here's the thing, and this is really the foundation of the Christian worldview, is that

00:32:48.000 We, our nature is wicked.

00:32:51.000 The nature of our flesh is wicked.

00:32:53.000 And so if we're going to become good, if we're going to be christened and brought closer to God, we have got to resist sin.

00:33:02.000 We've got to resist temptation.

00:33:04.000 We've got to resist the sort of natural tendency

00:33:08.000 of the flesh and like why would anyone do that if there wasn't a clear directive from a higher power with a judgment with the consequence for anybody to do that?

00:33:20.000 I just don't think that it's reasonable to ask out of people without that. 0.94

00:33:27.000 I understand, and if anything, you perfectly articulated why I hate nihilist anti-theists, why I hate people who are anti-religion, because they will be like, oh, well, we can just obliterate it all and it won't fucking matter.

00:33:40.000 And it's like, nah, people are going to suffer seriously as a result of your worldview.

00:33:44.000 And when people ask, why?

00:33:46.000 Why should I care that I suffer? 0.99

00:33:48.000 I only live once, and on top of that, I might as well just ride this, you know, ride this toilet bowl down into the fucking existential drain. 0.99

00:33:57.000 Plenty of people do that. 0.99

00:33:58.000 I used to be in law enforcement, I saw that all the time. 1.00

00:34:00.000 People literally, you'd be like, hey bro, you're doing fucking meth, you're doing heroin, you're fucking up, you're stealing from your family, everybody hates you, you know, society hates you, you're a fucking piece of shit, you need to get your shit together. 1.00

00:34:12.000 And they'd be like, well that's too hard, and on top of that, why should I care? 1.00

00:34:16.000 Plenty of people actually, literally, will tell you that while they're circling the drain.

00:34:21.000 Dealing with people, though, who are in more left-wing spaces, who are more sympathetic to those people, this, that, the other, they will say that they don't need the meta-narrative of Christ or God in order to save themselves, this, that, the other. 0.99

00:34:32.000 I don't fucking believe them.

00:34:33.000 I do think that you need something bigger than yourself, and maybe international, global humanism isn't enough to save humanity from itself. 0.98

00:34:42.000 I do understand that.

00:34:44.000 My point, though, is that I literally lived the life of the prodigal son.

00:34:49.000 I'm not kidding.

00:34:50.000 Raised religious, went to church every single Sunday, basically was raised both in the Protestant church and the Catholic church, went to Europe, this, that, the other. 0.99

00:35:01.000 When I was 17, I was like, oh, this is all myths and bullshit. 1.00

00:35:05.000 I'm gonna go do drugs and, you know, try to finger fuck women and all this bullshit, right? 1.00

00:35:10.000 So I went and did that for five years, and I was in the military and did some violent shit as well. 1.00

00:35:15.000 And when I got back out, I was fucking miserable. 1.00

00:35:20.000 Miserable. 0.99

00:35:21.000 Couldn't tell you why.

00:35:22.000 I was like, I'm doing everything I want.

00:35:24.000 I'm chasing women. 1.00

00:35:25.000 I'm drinking.

00:35:26.000 I'm smoking pot. 1.00

00:35:27.000 Like, I'm doing all this shit. 1.00

00:35:28.000 Why am I so fucking miserable? 1.00

00:35:31.000 And, you know, I was figuring it out on my own that maybe my parents were right about some shit. 1.00

00:35:35.000 Maybe the Bible was right about some shit. 1.00

00:35:36.000 Maybe religion was right about some shit. 0.99

00:35:38.000 But one of the most important phrases, or most important concepts that I learned was, happiness is not the same as desire. 0.99

00:35:48.000 And getting what you want doesn't always make you happy.

00:35:53.000 That's a huge lesson for a young person to learn.

00:35:56.000 And then the other one is basically sense of purpose and responsibility

00:36:05.000 We're good.

00:36:25.000 The reason why I'm bringing this up is these lessons were rooted in religion, and they were communicated to me in religion, and I rejected them because they came to me in religion.

00:36:35.000 But just through trial and error, I found these things to be true. 0.94

00:36:40.000 And so that's where for me, telling suffering people, listless people, depressed people, that basically what you want and what makes you happy are two separate things, and don't mistake the two, and also telling people that responsibility and purpose are correlated, that's like a fucking cheat sheet for human life.

00:37:00.000 And so like I'm saying, boil it down to a cheat sheet.

00:37:03.000 Don't make it dogmatic.

00:37:05.000 Don't make it authoritative in a religious sense.

00:37:08.000 And you're saying it has to be or else it doesn't matter.

00:37:14.000 I'm saying that none of that is sufficient.

00:37:17.000 None of that is sufficient.

00:37:17.000 It probably isn't.

00:37:18.000 It is!

00:37:19.000 No, it's not probably.

00:37:20.000 But it's probably true.

00:37:22.000 It's neither true nor is it sufficient.

00:37:24.000 You cannot build a civilization on a spark notes of biblical lessons because I think that inherent in maybe

00:37:36.000 This disposition is, and it's sort of interesting because you're a police officer, a former cop, former soldier, so you've seen violence, and so you've seen what people are capable of.

00:37:50.000 At least I imagine you've seen violence.

00:37:52.000 And so, when there are these sort of edge cases, you know, why does anybody kill anybody?

00:37:59.000 Do you think anybody kills somebody because they think they don't have a good reason?

00:38:03.000 People kill people because they think they have a really good reason and they feel, sometimes it's emotional, sometimes they feel justified.

00:38:09.000 People go to war because they think they feel justified.

00:38:12.000 People rape or, you know, do adultery or other terrible things.

00:38:20.000 And they'll think it's the right thing or they'll justify it to themselves.

00:38:24.000 And so this is like nice for like, you know, most of the time if you're just kind of like,

00:38:30.000 Riding the bus and going to work, it's like, hey, I'm gonna pay my fare on the bus.

00:38:36.000 But it's like, what is the true foundations and roots of the civilization?

00:38:41.000 What is the true moral law?

00:38:43.000 And there has to be something about the moral law that it's absolute and it's specific.

00:38:50.000 And it has to have consequences for it to matter, because otherwise, if everything you're saying is true, like, let's create a cheat sheet of biblical lessons, it's like, okay, but what if I really, really want to break the moral law, and I have, like, a really good reason?

00:39:02.000 Then why would I not do that?

00:39:04.000 Why would I not?

00:39:05.000 Well, what about abortion, for example?

00:39:07.000 Because I saw you talk about abortion, Roe v. Wade.

00:39:09.000 Why, is he pro-choice?

00:39:10.000 Are you pro-choice?

00:39:11.000 Well, seemingly.

00:39:12.000 Well, there was this bill, I guess, I saw you talking about.

00:39:15.000 Centrist as always.

00:39:16.000 The Louisiana bill that criminalized, I guess, abortion, made it infanticide.

00:39:23.000 Now some people who are really religious would say there's no compromise on something like that, right?

00:39:28.000 Like it's anti-abortion.

00:39:30.000 But there obviously are.

00:39:33.000 So I'll give you... Are there?

00:39:34.000 I'll give you... I think so.

00:39:37.000 Yeah, so in ectopic pregnancy, having a fertilized egg inside the fallopian tube, it's just going to kill the mom. 1.00

00:39:47.000 It's not going to do anything.

00:39:48.000 It's not going to develop a fetus.

00:39:52.000 So basically, just to explain my position so we don't have to poke around at it.

00:39:56.000 Um, I think that at 18 weeks from observable fact, uh, the central nervous system goes into, uh, the fetus.

00:40:01.000 As a result, it's capable of feeling pain. 0.95

00:40:04.000 Inflicting pain on a fucking, on a fetus is, you know, basically morally incorrect. 0.99

00:40:09.000 Abortion under 18 weeks is morally incorrect. 0.99

00:40:11.000 After 18 weeks, it should probably be legal, uh, legally prohibited.

00:40:16.000 Unless there's those, like, health exceptions.

00:40:20.000 Like ectopic or serious deformity or whatever the fuck. 0.74

00:40:25.000 Okay, can we, um, can we talk about, like, Russia? 0.98

00:40:28.000 Yeah, I mean, that is, uh... Hey, listen, we were talking about the core of Christendom!

00:40:34.000 Hey, he took it!

00:40:35.000 Don't get me wrong, this is good stuff, but we're sort of, like, we started... Okay, next time.

00:40:41.000 It has completely I mean you hey you guys are talking for like an hour.

00:40:44.000 I look I agree You know what I thought it was about now you put out a tweet I thought this was what it was originally about you know saying Russia was basically committing war crimes, and it was a barbaric regime If you want to if you want to get autistic and fight about specific shit we can like you can't Well that's what I mean a debate is!

00:41:05.000 Let's debate about this topic. 0.94

00:41:07.000 Oh, well, if you want to get autistic about it, alright. 0.76

00:41:11.000 Well, okay, so my issue, okay, so I'm not gonna lie. 1.00

00:41:17.000 Jackson Hinkle is a fucking dumbass. 1.00

00:41:20.000 And he basically, like, cheerleads the shit. 1.00

00:41:24.000 And the shit that you do that pisses me off is, like, 1.00

00:41:27.000 Sar Putin! 1.00

00:41:28.000 I salute our boys in the white, blue, and red or whatever the fuck. 1.00

00:41:32.000 Dude, if I, if I didn't, if you didn't have things that were shitposty that I know pissed off people way more, I would have fucking come in here like autistic screeching about that shit. 1.00

00:41:43.000 But, 0.99

00:41:45.000 For me, I think that your rhetoric is rooted in a deeper game, and I like talking about the deeper game. 1.00

00:41:50.000 I don't like autistically freaking out over the fucking rhetoric, the shitty rhetoric you use. 0.99

00:41:54.000 If I'm like, oh, did you make a Nazi Holocaust joke fucking three years ago? 0.99

00:42:01.000 Is that what anybody wants to see? 1.00

00:42:03.000 Do we want to fucking relitigate that shit for the 50th fucking time? 1.00

00:42:06.000 Fuck that. 1.00

00:42:07.000 You're playing a deeper game, and I know you're playing a deeper game. 0.99

00:42:11.000 I would rather talk about the deeper game, because there's obviously something that you think is achievable, or even if it's not achievable, you think it's worthy of pursuing, and I think it's not achievable, and I'm worried about the factionalism that it creates, but you're not worried about that, because my... 0.92

00:42:33.000 Civilizational foundation is probably too broad for you to give a shit about, and you nest your civilizational foundation within religion, and you know it to be correct. 0.97

00:42:43.000 So how the fuck am I supposed to fight that? 0.99

00:42:44.000 You know? 0.98

00:42:45.000 Well, I mean, yeah, I am, of course, I do have an agenda, and I do have a deeper worldview, but the reason why I cheerlead Putin is because I like Putin.

00:42:54.000 I mean, it is provocative, but I do support Putin.

00:42:59.000 I think that Putin is brilliant and my hero. 0.97

00:43:02.000 Okay, if this war was achievable, specifically with like throwing artillery shells into civilian areas, if all of the things that could be or needed to be achieved were able to be achieved without artillery shells going into fucking civilian areas, would you prefer that artillery fucking strikes don't happen in civilian areas? 0.97

00:43:20.000 Uh, yeah. 0.96

00:43:22.000 So what's the argue about?

00:43:23.000 Like you want me to call you a bad person for the next 45 minutes?

00:43:26.000 No, I don't want you to call me a bad... No, it's clearly... There is a real... Because you could also call me a bad person because I'm basically cheerleading American hegemony and look at how many people it's killed over the past 30 years.

00:43:38.000 But my thing is I don't deny that.

00:43:41.000 If I see that the Rigel Report says that we provided the weapons of mass destruction to Iraq in the 70s and 80s, that we then impugned him for 20 years later, I'm not going to deny that. 0.96

00:43:51.000 I'm just acknowledging the bigger game.

00:43:55.000 Okay, but I think there is a real debate to be had about the war in Ukraine and who's at fault here.

00:44:01.000 I think that's part of the bigger conversation about American hegemony.

00:44:04.000 It's part of the bigger story.

00:44:06.000 Because there's one story, and you seem to be at sort of a difference, you have this sort of liberalist, this liberalist vent, where you say we need a liberalist American global empire for the purpose, which is a very unique position.

00:44:21.000 There's not a lot of people that defend that.

00:44:24.000 But there is a position out there where people are saying democracy is under attack by autocrats like Putin, and this represents aggression by the so-called dictators and the enemies of democracy.

00:44:37.000 And then, of course, there's the Russian side, which is that it's the democratic globalist empire, which is the true pariah. 0.84

00:44:44.000 And so where would you fall in that?

00:44:46.000 I think that's a legitimate debate. 1.00

00:44:51.000 I side with liberals, but I think liberals are fucking children. 0.99

00:44:56.000 And what I mean by that is like, so for instance, if we were going to morally impugn Russia for being autocratic, then we just as equally have to impugn 30% of our global coalition for similar crimes. 0.99

00:45:08.000 So when you hear, like we can say like, okay,

00:45:11.000 Well, these people allied with us materially, and we're pushing them culturally through trade ties and cultural ties.

00:45:18.000 I think that can be a real argument, defending, like, the liberal establishment.

00:45:21.000 It's like, we don't want to go to war with everybody. 0.99

00:45:22.000 We want to, you know, so for instance, like, McDonald's, God help me, is part of the American empire, and now in fucking Kuwait, the fucking, you know, they're basically getting fat as shit, because instead of drinking alcohol, they go to McDonald's instead. 0.98

00:45:36.000 So, you know, I don't know if that's based in Red Pill or not. 0.99

00:45:40.000 But the point being, you can go to war with everybody, but you're going to fucking lose. 0.70

00:45:45.000 Or you can go to war with your opponents when it suits you, and then have cultural and economic warfare. 0.60

00:45:51.000 And if anything, I view Russia's actions in this event a moral failure, because I think that they could have achieved the same goals through economic and diplomatic aggression. 0.72

00:46:06.000 I think they could have kept the Black Sea.

00:46:08.000 I think they could have kept Donbass, Luhansk, Donetsk.

00:46:11.000 I think they just prefer force.

00:46:14.000 You think they prefer aggression?

00:46:15.000 See, and that's I think where, that's I think where the argument lies, is this idea that it was, do you think it's out of malice and cruelty that Russia invaded?

00:46:25.000 No, it's desperation, but it's also a misalignment of priority.

00:46:29.000 So, for instance, I think they could have kept the Black Sea, I think they could have kept Donetsk, Luhansk, I think they could have kept these things, or at least kept those populations protected, and they probably could have kept their right to travel to these areas.

00:46:41.000 I don't think that they needed violence in order to achieve the same goal.

00:46:44.000 Just because Ukraine goes into the EU, or even got, well, I guess NATO really would be 0.69

00:46:51.000 The line for Ukraine.

00:46:53.000 Because I'm assuming you can't have Russian military assets traveling freely through a NATO country.

00:47:00.000 That's probably the biggest thing.

00:47:03.000 Yeah, so do you think though that it was unreasonable for the United States to pursue NATO expansion in Ukraine?

00:47:12.000 Because I thought we rejected them back in the day.

00:47:12.000 At what time?

00:47:15.000 No, no we did not.

00:47:16.000 Throughout, from 2008 to 2014, do you think that was unreasonable?

00:47:22.000 Uh, without consulting Russia on how they're going to get access to the Black Sea?

00:47:25.000 Yeah.

00:47:26.000 Okay. 1.00

00:47:26.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

00:47:27.000 Well, yeah, then debate. 1.00

00:47:28.000 Okay.

00:47:28.000 That's, that's the debate, I think.

00:47:30.000 No, but, but I mean, like, just to concede if people are like, oh, you just gave up the point.

00:47:35.000 Um, there's only, there's only like three.

00:47:39.000 I think there might only be two, uh, Russian warm water ports.

00:47:43.000 One of them is in Crimea, one of them is in Syria, and I want to say the only other one is like a coal- oh, it might be on like the far east coast or some shit like that.

00:47:51.000 It might be on like a... I don't fucking remember the names. 0.84

00:47:54.000 But it literally might be over by Japan. 0.96

00:47:55.000 So, the...

00:47:57.000 I got frustrated with Sitchin, Adam, and Sargon, and you, and Destiny, because I think you can concede the geopolitical reality while still impugning the morality.

00:48:10.000 I think that the fact that this wasn't worked at as a diplomatic solution of, Russia's going to want to keep the eastern part of Ukraine, and they're going to want to keep access to the Black Sea.

00:48:19.000 If we're going to get Ukraine and NATO, we have to figure out how to get the Russians what they want, or they're going to attack. 0.98

00:48:25.000 If that wasn't a conversation in the room, that's a complete and utter fucking failure. 0.96

00:48:30.000 But that's the thing, though. 0.98

00:48:31.000 The Russians did pursue diplomacy.

00:48:33.000 The Russians, like, for example, Trump pulled the United States out of the INF Treaty, Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, and put the theater support missiles back in the U.S.

00:48:45.000 military doctrine in Europe.

00:48:46.000 Very provocative action.

00:48:48.000 And this is in the Russian military doctrine.

00:48:50.000 They say that

00:48:51.000 This is a problem because in the event of a hypothetical war between NATO and Russia, NATO is going to be sending missiles into Russia that may be conventional missiles, but they also may be nuclear missiles, and they call that warhead ambiguity.

00:49:05.000 That if a missile is flying at Russia, if a short or medium-range missile is flying at Russia from an Eastern European country, the Russians really can't assume that that's not a missile carrying a nuclear warhead.

00:49:18.000 It creates this great escalation, and so the Russians write about this.

00:49:21.000 How is this not already true with Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania?

00:49:25.000 And also, how is this not already true for the fact that we can basically glass each other no matter what?

00:49:32.000 Well, the point is that this has nothing to do with Ukraine in particular.

00:49:38.000 This is a provocative action, because this is about the entire European theater, and redeploying missiles to Europe.

00:49:46.000 Okay, I don't know, maybe this is because I actually was born at the end of the Cold War. 0.99

00:49:50.000 I'm pretty sure everybody between 1945 and 1990 just accepted the fact that if there was a war between Russia and the United States, entire cities would be glassed, and as a result, we probably shouldn't fuck with that shit. 0.98

00:50:02.000 And I don't understand how that perspective isn't prevailing right now. 0.98

00:50:06.000 We're literally like, what's the flight time? 0.97

00:50:09.000 For a short-range or medium-range missile launched from France, versus the flight time from a missile launched from Alaska, versus the flight time from a missile launched in fucking Ethiopia. 0.98

00:50:23.000 Lithuania. 0.98

00:50:24.000 Or Estonia.

00:50:26.000 We're talking about a degree of minutes, and we're still talking about hundreds of thousands of dead.

00:50:30.000 So this is where maybe Russia has autism. 0.81

00:50:35.000 Okay, so what? 1.00

00:50:36.000 We're fucked anyways. 0.99

00:50:38.000 Now what do we want and how do we get it? 0.99

00:50:41.000 Well, the problem is that these are not necessarily nuclear missiles.

00:50:44.000 These are conventional missiles that are being deployed to Europe, but that's the thing.

00:50:48.000 When a missile is sent over, and a short or medium-range missile is sent over from Europe into Russia in a hypothetical conflict, that is where a conventional conflict between NATO and Russia then escalates into a nuclear conflict.

00:51:01.000 The point is... Who would start a conventional conflict?

00:51:04.000 I don't think so. 0.91

00:51:22.000 My contention would be it would be an escalation between the two powers that you're right that it would be like ambiguous who started it or whatever but the chances of like NATO intentionally invading Russia without some kind of Russian propagation first is like fucking zero.

00:51:36.000 Well, let me finish my point, because it's really not important here.

00:51:42.000 The point is, this is a very provocative action.

00:51:45.000 Trump pulling out of the INF was very provocative, and the Russians said so.

00:51:49.000 And even if you look at the neocons, even the DC foreign policy establishment wrote that this was extremely provocative to pull out of the INF.

00:51:58.000 And if you read NPR, NPR said in the build-up to this, because this was one of the Russians' demands back in January, was

00:52:06.000 Put a moratorium on the missiles in the European theater.

00:52:11.000 And NPR, the mainstream liberal media, the foreign policy establishment, they all said that is one of the more reasonable things that, yeah, probably the United States should do.

00:52:19.000 Now consider this.

00:52:20.000 So Trump pulls out of the INF.

00:52:23.000 And changes the military doctrine.

00:52:25.000 I think this was in 2019.

00:52:27.000 A month after he does this, Putin goes out there and says, this could lead to escalation, this could lead to problems.

00:52:33.000 And he says, let's come together and let's create a moratorium on Russian and American missiles in Europe.

00:52:39.000 They didn't respond.

00:52:40.000 Putin comes back the next year with an even more thorough proposal and says, let's do a moratorium on missiles and let's even have inspections.

00:52:50.000 Let's have mutual inspections.

00:52:51.000 The Russians can inspect the American missiles and the Americans can inspect the Russian missiles.

00:52:57.000 And again, the Americans don't even respond.

00:53:01.000 To the proposal.

00:53:02.000 Once again, this was part of the diplomacy in January.

00:53:05.000 There were three days of diplomacy, if you remember, in Geneva at the beginning of this year, and that was on the table, and there's no give from the American side.

00:53:15.000 And so the question is, you know, if Russia is unnecessarily 0.78

00:53:20.000 Using force and violence and military means when you look at something like that what what really could they have done in that situation and that that's just like a taste but that goes it goes well beyond that because you could go back to 2008 when the Americans at the NATO conference said

00:53:37.000 They recognized the aspirations of Ukraine to join NATO.

00:53:40.000 And Putin said, that's not going to happen.

00:53:42.000 But they plowed forward anyway.

00:53:44.000 And the National Endowment for Democracy was giving them money.

00:53:47.000 And they continued to support the resistance there.

00:53:51.000 And that all culminated ultimately in the Maidan, which the United States had a hand in.

00:53:56.000 And so, there's just like this persistent inability for the United States to concede the fact that Russia should have some right and some legitimate security interest in the future of Ukraine, and then Russia's back into a corner.

00:54:11.000 And you can see the precipitating factors leading up to the conflict this year.

00:54:16.000 You've got U.S. 0.66

00:54:17.000 destroyers, or rather a British destroyer in the Black Sea, which is sailing along the disputed territory in Crimea.

00:54:23.000 You've got American bombers flying along Crimea in Donbass.

00:54:27.000 You've got Kiev buying drones from Turkey, a NATO country.

00:54:31.000 I was just going to ask, this is all great details, and Ralph, I'm sorry to disappoint you.

00:54:48.000 What do you want me to object to descriptively? 0.99

00:54:51.000 That the United States is a bunch of dicks? 0.99

00:54:53.000 That they threw their weight around where they didn't know what the consequences would be? 1.00

00:54:57.000 That they risked other people's lives in their national global hegemonic project?

00:55:02.000 I'm going to concede all of this.

00:55:02.000 This is all true.

00:55:04.000 It's descriptively true.

00:55:05.000 The question is whether... Well, does that make Russia's actions unreasonable, I guess?

00:55:10.000 The United States hubris, I guess, is what he's describing.

00:55:12.000 And in light of that, is it really so crazy?

00:55:15.000 And again, it's your take, yes or no, is it really so crazy for Russia to have done what they've done, I guess, is what he's... 0.84

00:55:21.000 Yeah, actually, there's a shitload. 1.00

00:55:24.000 Fuck, there's so many Russian failures. 1.00

00:55:27.000 Yes, I think that this probably could have been diplomatically. 0.99

00:55:30.000 If you want to point out examples of the Western hegemony throwing its weight around and not really knowing what it's getting itself into and risking other people's lives rather than their own, I don't think you have to look at Ukraine.

00:55:39.000 I think you could just look at, like, I don't know, history and see similar patterns.

00:55:44.000 But then the question kind of becomes, like, from a Russian perspective, was this necessary?

00:55:49.000 No.

00:55:50.000 It's not necessary to bomb Lviv in Western Ukraine in order to achieve a victory in Eastern Ukraine.

00:55:57.000 It's not necessary to artillery strike Kiev in order to take Eastern Ukraine. 0.98

00:56:02.000 It's not necessary to fucking take Odessa. 0.99

00:56:05.000 The like one last port that's left for the fucking Ukrainians in order to gain access to the Black Sea along their own historical territory. 0.99

00:56:12.000 It's not necessary for them to artillery strike civilian areas when basically we've all been developing counterinsurgency tactics and techniques for the better part of 30 fucking years that the United States is stupid enough to basically post online for free 0.98

00:56:26.000 Our special forces literally go onto YouTube and say, hey, this is how you do counterinsurgency warfare, and this is how you clear rooms. 1.00

00:56:35.000 And somehow, Russians, being the dumb fucks they are, are literally doing unsupported fucking air raids on goddamn airports and getting fucking slaughtered, artillery striking fucking civilian areas as negotiating ships within a war, 1.00

00:56:48.000 And fucking doing unsupported fucking goddamn mechanized columns in the middle of Ukraine that then get attacked by counterinsurgents armed with Western weapons that get slaughtered. 1.00

00:56:59.000 So no, while the geopolitical concessions are there and Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea, yeah, these are all realistically Russian territories that should have been negotiated by the Western world, you can't pretend to me that this is fucking 4D chess that the Russians are playing when they're literally sticking their dicks in a blender and 1.00

00:57:17.000 No. 0.99

00:57:19.000 And, also on top of that, here's another fucking thing. 0.99

00:57:22.000 I know that Trump, MAGA, whatever, it's probably important to your brand, he's the God Emperor, this, that, the other, whatever. 1.00

00:57:29.000 Is Trump playing 4D chess, or is he an idiot? 1.00

00:57:33.000 Or is he doing both at the same time? 1.00

00:57:35.000 Because literally, I don't even think that you can tell, let alone I can tell.

00:57:40.000 What is Trump?

00:57:41.000 What's the angle of Trump? 0.96

00:57:42.000 I'm missing the... You were literally saying how despite him being the God Emperor who has fucking foresight and he's basically the leader of the Imperium of Man. 0.93

00:57:50.000 Oh, I see. 0.99

00:57:51.000 He somehow stepped on his dick when it came to Russian diplomatic negotiations. 1.00

00:57:55.000 If he's such a God Emperor, then how did he fuck this up? 1.00

00:57:58.000 I think that was a mistake. 0.77

00:57:59.000 I think that was a mistake for him to escalate the conflict in Ukraine, because that's what he did.

00:58:03.000 And what he ran on in 2016 was a rapprochement with Russia, famously.

00:58:07.000 He said, wouldn't it be great if we got along with Russia?

00:58:10.000 And that's why a lot of people supported him, because he was out there saying the Iraq War was a mistake, and Russia should be our friend, and we don't hate China, but we're going to compete with China. 0.74

00:58:19.000 That was the America first. 0.89

00:58:22.000 Foreign policy that everybody voted for and instead what we got was, and you can, we can quibble about who's ultimately responsible for that.

00:58:30.000 Is that the Pentagon?

00:58:30.000 Is that the State Department?

00:58:31.000 Is that Trump himself?

00:58:33.000 I'm willing to be, I'm willing to concede for the sake of the debate it was Trump himself.

00:58:37.000 I think that Trump doesn't want war and I think that Trump, his instinct was rapprochement with Russia and it was people behind the scenes that wanted this war and it's the,

00:58:46.000 It's a persistent influence of the deep state and military-industrial complex, that whole constellation of institutions.

00:58:55.000 So I will agree with you that the Trump, it was not Fort H.S., I think the Trump foreign policy was not what it should have been.

00:59:02.000 I'll agree with you on that.

00:59:04.000 As far as the conduct, though, of the operation, I think we could get into, you know, should Russia have bombed this city?

00:59:11.000 Should they have conducted it in that way?

00:59:13.000 We can get into that.

00:59:14.000 To me, it's less interesting.

00:59:15.000 To me, that's a level of detail which is unnecessary because it's a war.

00:59:21.000 You're either in the war or you're not in the war.

00:59:23.000 And we could quibble about the conduct of the war and was this a tactical decision?

00:59:28.000 Was this a justified strategic decision?

00:59:30.000 Was using this kind of bomber against this particular city, is that cruel or is that part of the overall strategy?

00:59:38.000 I mean, we could get into that, but I think the real basis of the debate is whether or not the war is justified to begin with.

00:59:47.000 I think that it's basically unquestionable that Russia, because you said earlier, well, Russia should have pursued diplomatic means.

00:59:53.000 They should have used their soft power in a word.

00:59:56.000 You know, I think that's a good phrase for it.

00:59:58.000 They should use their economic, political, diplomatic.

01:00:01.000 I think they did that.

01:00:02.000 I think they did that when they took Crimea.

01:00:05.000 I think they did that when they backed the separatists.

01:00:07.000 Did they ask for too much?

01:00:09.000 Oops, sorry.

01:00:10.000 You good?

01:00:14.000 Did they ask for too much?

01:00:17.000 So for instance, in the most recent negotiations, they were asking that the Ukrainian army draw down to 65,000. 0.99

01:00:25.000 What fucking country in the history of the world is going to agree to drawing down its army during an invasion? 0.97

01:00:35.000 But you understand that when Russia comes to the negotiating table, they're there to negotiate. 0.99

01:00:40.000 What if I just inverted your logic?

01:00:43.000 We're not, just as easily, while we're not in the battle, we're not in the war or whatever, we're not in these diplomatic negotiating rooms.

01:00:49.000 Why do I have to assume good faith on your end and bad faith on mine?

01:00:52.000 We were in the negotiating room.

01:00:53.000 You and me?

01:00:54.000 No, no, America.

01:00:55.000 America was.

01:00:56.000 In Geneva.

01:00:58.000 And, you know, so to say that Ukraine would not join NATO is not unreasonable.

01:01:04.000 And, by the way, and the reason why we know that is because the United States essentially recommitted to this in, I want to say it was October.

01:01:14.000 I have it in my notes, and I don't want to get autistic here, but you'll have to take my word for it. 1.00

01:01:18.000 I could pull it up on my notes, but in October, somewhere in the fall of 2021, they recommitted to

01:01:26.000 Essentially a security guarantee without NATO membership.

01:01:29.000 They said we continue to acknowledge Ukraine's aspirations for NATO and they re-upped this like 10 year old security guarantee that they gave a long time ago.

01:01:37.000 So like and that's really the crux of it is NATO membership for Ukraine.

01:01:42.000 Everything proceeds from that.

01:01:44.000 I don't know that Putin necessarily thought he was going to get all the troops out of Eastern Europe.

01:01:49.000 I don't know that he necessarily thought there'd be a change in government in Kiev with diplomacy.

01:01:54.000 But I think the crux of it was, is Ukraine going to be used as a forward operating base for NATO?

01:02:00.000 Is it going to be used to deploy hypersonic missiles in Ukraine?

01:02:04.000 Is there going to be a Black Sea fleet in Ukraine for NATO?

01:02:08.000 That was really the issue at hand, and the United States was completely unwilling to negotiate on this, and the Russians were backed into a corner.

01:02:16.000 And this is something that's happened over 14 years, and now people want to say, oh, well, I don't like the way the war's being conducted.

01:02:22.000 Oh, well, that bombing they did was cruel.

01:02:24.000 It's like, well...

01:02:25.000 At some point, there's no choice.

01:02:27.000 There were 200,000 troops on the border.

01:02:29.000 They met in Geneva, and it's typical.

01:02:32.000 The Westerners are so full of hubris, there's no off-ramp. 1.00

01:02:35.000 They only know one language, and that's escalation, double down, talk tough, stand up, all this kind of stuff.

01:02:42.000 And in my opinion, to even get back to the earlier conversation, that's a failure of American hegemony.

01:02:48.000 I think that when America 0.77

01:02:50.000 Which is so much more powerful than Russia, combined with NATO's power, even more powerful than Russia.

01:02:55.000 I think when they have that kind of uncontested power for so long, they think that they don't have to listen to other countries.

01:03:01.000 And then this is where these kinds of miscalculations and misunderstandings, I think that's where they all start to begin.

01:03:07.000 It's all bound up in that.

01:03:09.000 And I think that's an indictment of American hegemony in itself.

01:03:14.000 Yeah, so I don't think we're going to disagree.

01:03:16.000 I think that we could come to descriptively saying Russia's case for the war. 0.96

01:03:22.000 I think just as easily you could descriptively come to Ukraine's description for the war, whether or not it's justified or some shit. 0.57

01:03:30.000 So yeah, it kind of boils down to this core of what do we do now? 0.91

01:03:37.000 Is liberal hegemony at its peak?

01:03:39.000 Are we, do we have to accept tripolarity or multipolarity?

01:03:42.000 Do we have to reframe the Western project into Christian nationalism or a liberal hegemonic project?

01:03:48.000 Is there enough of a spine within liberalism to reconstitute whatever we created?

01:03:55.000 And so, and so that's kind of like really the, this is actually the difference, it's not just the difference in this conflict, it's the difference between me and you.

01:04:02.000 What path

01:04:04.000 Do we pursue for the future of the Western world?

01:04:07.000 And my argument is a civic nationalist, probably multi-ethnic, but not multi-linguistic.

01:04:16.000 I think it should be a mono-language for each country.

01:04:19.000 And it can be multi-religious, but there has to be a set of core foundational principles that basically unite us in our belief.

01:04:28.000 And to be honest, when you ask me the question of why, 0.90

01:04:33.000 Why not kill myself? 0.97

01:04:33.000 Why not do heroin? 0.97

01:04:34.000 Why not do coke? 1.00

01:04:35.000 Why not, you know, fuck a bunch of women? 1.00

01:04:36.000 Why not do strippers? 1.00

01:04:37.000 Why not drink alcohol?

01:04:38.000 Why not do this?

01:04:39.000 Why not do that?

01:04:41.000 I only have the logical appeal of you will suffer and you will experience suffering, but I already know that's not enough of information for most people.

01:04:55.000 That's part of where

01:04:57.000 Ideally, I would want to see it culturally. 1.00

01:05:00.000 I would want to see it, like, pushed through education, like, hey, you fuck up this way, your life's gonna be fucked. 0.99

01:05:05.000 And we actually have the balls to assert that there are good and bad things, and we don't have this, like, liberal spinelessness that we see in our current social establishments. 0.99

01:05:15.000 But I don't know if it'll be enough. 0.71

01:05:16.000 And when you ask me if it'll be enough, the answer is I don't know.

01:05:19.000 So, yeah.

01:05:20.000 Well, I would say to counter all of that, I think that

01:05:24.000 This entire conflict has laid the seeds for the American demise.

01:05:28.000 I think this is the high watermark for the liberal hegemony because, you know, in spite of the fact that, you know, we talk this talk about how the whole world came together to stand up to Putin.

01:05:39.000 I was going to get to this earlier when you made the analogy about everybody coming together to kick the Nazis' teeth in.

01:05:44.000 I was going to make this, I was going to get into this, but I got sidetracked bashing, you know, the allies in World War II.

01:05:53.000 It's actually not true that the whole world... Although they were based, right?

01:05:56.000 They were based, they were good, they were cool.

01:05:58.000 Go G.I.

01:05:59.000 Joe.

01:05:59.000 The Allies?

01:06:00.000 Hell yeah! 0.95

01:06:01.000 Oh yeah!

01:06:02.000 They were so cool.

01:06:03.000 G.I. 0.50

01:06:04.000 Joe, I love you.

01:06:05.000 Cherry pie.

01:06:06.000 My grandfather fought in World War II.

01:06:08.000 He fought in the... Worst mechanic the Luftwaffe ever had.

01:06:13.000 Well, I'm not German, okay?

01:06:14.000 He was...

01:06:15.000 He was Italian.

01:06:16.000 No, but he was on the good guy's side.

01:06:19.000 He was on the good guy's side fighting for the USA, baby!

01:06:23.000 You mean he switched sides halfway through when he saw the winds blowing at the other direction?

01:06:26.000 Something like that, yeah.

01:06:31.000 So, no, he was an American.

01:06:33.000 I'm fifth generation, all right?

01:06:34.000 I'm fifth generation.

01:06:35.000 Totally.

01:06:35.000 But anyway.

01:06:37.000 But it's actually not true that, just like in World War II, it's not true that the whole world is standing up to Putler.

01:06:44.000 It's not happening.

01:06:45.000 When you look at the Sanchez regime, it's noticeable who's not participating in it.

01:06:49.000 Yeah, the NATO countries are participating in it, of course.

01:06:53.000 India's not participating in it.

01:06:55.000 China's not participating in it.

01:06:58.000 And if you don't have those countries, all of Africa's not participating in it, a lot of the Asian countries, a lot of the Middle Eastern.

01:07:04.000 Okay, but the point is, like...

01:07:06.000 It's interesting because... Do you know what I like about this European conflict?

01:07:10.000 Objection for autistic point real quick. 0.98

01:07:13.000 Europeans are handling it.

01:07:14.000 That's what I like about it. 1.00

01:07:16.000 Are Ukrainians fucking fleeing to Africa or fleeing to India or China for fucking rent? 1.00

01:07:22.000 It's fucking Europeans who are handling it. 1.00

01:07:22.000 No. 1.00

01:07:24.000 So you could call it material conditions, whatever. 0.98

01:07:29.000 I don't have a fucking problem descriptively what you're saying. 0.70

01:07:33.000 I'm talking about it like prescriptively because basically I already... If it seems like I'm not objecting a lot or calling you a piece of shit or this that the other, it's because I understand what you're trying to do. 0.99

01:07:43.000 You described it to me. 0.98

01:07:44.000 You described the project, what you're looking for out of the world.

01:07:48.000 And I understand how my project is contrary to your project because I do want

01:07:53.000 A liberalist hegemonic imperium that is capable of integrating humanity because I think that that's what's possible to propel us into like, I don't know, conquering the entire planet, but also potentially like space exploration as well. 0.96

01:08:10.000 But the problem, I don't even have a fucking

01:08:15.000 My problem with your worldview is I think it necessarily breeds conflict that will have to be resolved. 0.98

01:08:20.000 So let's say that we created Christian nationalism. 0.97

01:08:23.000 Nick Fuentes is, or his great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandson is the fucking emperor of the Western Christendom world, okay? 0.95

01:08:32.000 He rules from someplace that isn't degenerate, the L-shape of the Americas and Europe, okay? 0.96

01:08:40.000 And most people are Christian or they concede to Christian, like, cultural hegemony. 0.79

01:08:45.000 So let's say that happens.

01:08:47.000 I think, naturally, you will have, like you said, cultures that are based in Islam, cultures that are based in China, cultures that are based, well, I guess Russia's part of the Christendom, right?

01:09:00.000 So, basically, Islam, West Africa, and China would all be your competitors, and as a result, that conflict also has to come to an end. 0.86

01:09:08.000 Liberalism says we can incorporate all,

01:09:12.000 Yours says, we're going to be in conflict, or at least competition, in perpetuity. 0.97

01:09:21.000 What's Emperor Nicholas the fucking 15th going to do? 0.99

01:09:23.000 Is it going to be convert or die? 0.99

01:09:26.000 Is it going to be we just compete for the planet?

01:09:29.000 What is it?

01:09:31.000 Uh, yeah.

01:09:32.000 Yes!

01:09:34.000 Well, here's the thing.

01:09:38.000 And by the way, can you rant to the audience for a little bit? 0.98

01:09:41.000 I'm super dehydrated, my neck's driving me fucking crazy.

01:09:43.000 Can I grab some water and be right back? 0.78

01:09:44.000 Yeah, go ahead, get you some water.

01:09:46.000 Can you tell the world about the plans for Nicholas XV and his Christian empire?

01:09:50.000 I'm actually really excited.

01:09:52.000 Go ahead, get some water.

01:09:53.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:09:55.000 Okay, wow.

01:09:59.000 What do you think of the debates?

01:10:01.000 Well, you know, it's kind of like, I don't know, tangentially related to Russia, Ukraine.

01:10:08.000 You know my style, kind of just letting you guys go a little bit.

01:10:13.000 But yeah, it's been a good discussion, a little spacey maybe.

01:10:20.000 Yeah, maybe that's how I would describe it.

01:10:24.000 But it's been cordial.

01:10:28.000 Now, so we'll just, I mean, we can just wait.

01:10:31.000 I don't know if he has his headset with him.

01:10:33.000 Maybe we can just wait for him to get back.

01:10:36.000 I'm talking a bunch if he's not here.

01:10:37.000 He covered up his camera too, which maybe that's a cop thing.

01:10:41.000 I don't know.

01:10:42.000 It's a cop thing.

01:10:43.000 It's a cop thing.

01:10:44.000 I'm not sure.

01:10:46.000 Somebody said he's been a... Yeah, I'd seen that he was a critic for a while.

01:10:51.000 Somebody said that.

01:10:52.000 I didn't know that before today, but I saw some people in chat.

01:10:56.000 He's a what?

01:10:57.000 He had been a critic of yours or something.

01:10:59.000 Maybe he wanted to talk about other stuff from the start.

01:11:01.000 I don't know.

01:11:03.000 I don't know if that's true or not.

01:11:05.000 That's what people in chat said.

01:11:08.000 So we'll see once he gets back in here what his thoughts are.

01:11:14.000 What are your thoughts?

01:11:19.000 I mean, it's not here, it's a debate, so I guess just thoughts on the whole night so far.

01:11:28.000 The big day on Cozy.

01:11:30.000 Things are going great.

01:11:32.000 I've got a ton of people watching right now, 7,000 people total watching this debate.

01:11:37.000 Yeah, I think it was the beginning of October, so we're entering, it would be what, October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, so we're entering our eighth month, I guess.

01:11:59.000 Going pretty well.

01:12:00.000 I'm pretty pleased with it so far.

01:12:02.000 I like the debates.

01:12:02.000 I'm happy with it.

01:12:04.000 I thought this was going to be a little bit more spicy.

01:12:06.000 I thought it was going to be a little bit more contentious, but that's okay.

01:12:09.000 Well, it's been more of a discussion, I guess you could say.

01:12:16.000 There he is.

01:12:18.000 That's one reason I kind of brought up the abortion thing, because that seemed like a real difference there, too. 0.98

01:12:23.000 Listen, if y'all want to rip some of the shreds, we can fucking do it on something. 0.92

01:12:28.000 But at the same time, my whole goal was to understand Nick, because I think it's actually super easy to snipe behind tweets and snipe behind fucking, oh, I'm going to do a two-hour video essay on what Nick believes without talking to him, and now I'm pretty sure I fucking understand it. 0.88

01:12:47.000 I don't think you're a fascist, but I think that you see the value in right-wing dissident thought that can be useful.

01:12:54.000 I think you're a Christian in the strictest sense, meaning you believe it to be the foundational cornerstone of the future of Western society.

01:13:02.000 And even if it isn't, you would rather die implementing that vision, or trying to implement that vision, than basically implement a different vision of the world.

01:13:11.000 We're good to go.

01:13:28.000 Hey, we have cultural memes that are descended from certain narratives.

01:13:32.000 I'm trying to propagate a narrative that I believe is important, and I want to solidify the culture and the society that will allow my narrative to continue to survive.

01:13:39.000 I think that's a little bit more nuanced, and it's not... Even if there was like some 5,000 IQ fucking genocidal game that you're playing in your own fucking head, that doesn't mean that the... 0.98

01:13:51.000 The philosophy itself necessarily has to be that way. 0.97

01:13:56.000 So there could be like, I don't know what you call it, like integration or incorporation of the American value set as long as it paid deference to your vision of the future.

01:14:07.000 And so I don't like it.

01:14:09.000 We're on opposing perspectives.

01:14:12.000 And if it came down to violence, we might actually fight.

01:14:15.000 And I don't feel like we're

01:14:15.000 But I understand it.

01:14:17.000 Now, what's wrong with it, though?

01:14:18.000 You said you don't like it.

01:14:19.000 What's wrong with it?

01:14:20.000 Yeah, I mean, you say you don't like it, so what is the... Actually, I was thinking about this while I was getting water.

01:14:25.000 So, what happens to your... So, let's say that we're in... Tsar Nicholas XV is in intercontinental conflict with, you know, the Muslims and... or the UMA.

01:14:40.000 And, uh, Sino-fucking-civilization-rebirthed-into-some-kind-of-weird, uh, Confucian-syncretic-fucking-Chinese-empire, okay? 0.97

01:14:48.000 There's three empires left on the planet. 0.99

01:14:51.000 And then, uh, aliens. 0.99

01:14:53.000 Literally people from other fucking planets show up. 1.00

01:14:57.000 And they're like, yo, all that Jesus stuff is bullshit. 1.00

01:15:00.000 Your society is based off of a myth. 0.99

01:15:02.000 Turns out that, like, liberal fabot from 500 years ago, that Connor guy, he was totally right about the universe. 0.90

01:15:09.000 Here's all this lab coat science shit that verifies that he was totally right about everything. 0.75

01:15:14.000 And Gnostic, liberal, syncretic humanism was the way to go. 0.97

01:15:20.000 What happens then? 1.00

01:15:21.000 Are you just like, fuck you, alien. 1.00

01:15:24.000 Is that what happens? 1.00

01:15:25.000 If Rick and Morty came out of a spaceship and said,

01:15:43.000 Well, you know, if that happened, I would say the aliens are demons.

01:15:47.000 I would say that's probably going to happen.

01:15:49.000 I think they're setting up to do exactly that.

01:15:51.000 It's called Project Bluebeam, or some other kind of simulated alien encounter, and I think it will be demonic.

01:15:58.000 The thing is, though, is that... So you're going down with the ship?

01:16:02.000 Well, it's not about going down with the ship, it's about the basis of our religion is metaphysical.

01:16:09.000 It's metaphysical and it's based on philosophy.

01:16:13.000 Based on philosophy that I don't understand perfectly, I'll add.

01:16:17.000 And it's also based on the truth of the resurrection, which I think there's...

01:16:22.000 The trick is this, I think that the resurrection is a historical fact and I think it's provable historically, but I also think that if you're not religious, I also think that if you don't believe in the

01:16:33.000 The metaphysical idea of Christianity.

01:16:36.000 I think that you can come up with any reason why you would disbelieve that.

01:16:38.000 Oh, the sources are incredible.

01:16:40.000 Oh, they exaggerated.

01:16:41.000 Oh, I've heard it all before.

01:16:44.000 So, you know, according to my worldview, the aliens coming down, it's just, you know, it's something that's not going to happen.

01:16:50.000 But I mean, I guess maybe the maybe the key difference is this.

01:16:54.000 To me, I don't support my religion for utilitarian reason.

01:16:59.000 I'm not promulgating Christianity because I think this is the... and some people accuse me of this, but it would make no sense.

01:17:07.000 Some people say, oh, you're... I think I actually do.

01:17:10.000 So if you were talking about, like, my cultural support for Christianity, your Christian memes, it is from a utilitarian reason.

01:17:15.000 I feel like there's a lot of good social prescriptions that have been nested within religion that are necessary.

01:17:21.000 Sorry for interrupting.

01:17:21.000 Go ahead.

01:17:22.000 No, yeah, and that's just it.

01:17:23.000 I think that there is utilitarian take on that.

01:17:26.000 That's not my take, though.

01:17:27.000 I think that

01:17:29.000 Christianity is true, and I think that in terms of how the world is supposed to end, you know, probably it's not, you know, if you read any Catholic eschatology, it's going to be a pretty ugly affair. 1.00

01:17:41.000 It's not going to be like everyone becomes Christian, and then we all just float up, and you know, it's going to be actually pretty horrible. 0.97

01:17:48.000 So that we may be living in the end times, and this all may be very futile in terms of

01:17:53.000 I don't know.

01:18:08.000 And actually, it's interesting, the reason I became religious actually in the first place, I was baptized Catholic, I was confirmed Catholic, but my parents were always very religious.

01:18:17.000 They believed in God, but they weren't really good Catholics.

01:18:21.000 Like, we went to church on Christmas and Easter.

01:18:24.000 There was a period where we went to church every Sunday, and I did get confirmed and everything, but...

01:18:28.000 Like a lot of Catholics, they were sort of lapsed.

01:18:31.000 And so I went into college basically being a Christian, believing in God, but not really practicing it and not really fully understanding it even.

01:18:41.000 And what I began to think a lot about is about this problem of authority, and this problem of meaning, and the problem of morality, which are all distinct problems.

01:18:50.000 And I thought,

01:18:52.000 You know, in terms of meaning, I thought, what gives my life meaning outside of the material?

01:18:58.000 It's like, it's very difficult to persist in this life, suffering and going through the trials of life, if you're not suffering for a reason, if there's not a reason that actually matters.

01:19:08.000 When I say actually matters, I mean, you could say, like, well, I'm suffering so that my kids could live a good life.

01:19:13.000 That's actually just kind of like a secondary material interest, you know?

01:19:19.000 Is this...

01:19:37.000 Yeah, is this why you fell out with the more materialists, racialists people?

01:19:43.000 Because they only had a material motivation for what they were doing?

01:19:49.000 Yeah, and I don't think that racialism is sufficient. 0.59

01:19:53.000 I don't think that racialism

01:19:56.000 Is a sufficient idea and I don't think it's an explainer and I don't know that I would like die for my race or something in a certain sense because race is material.

01:20:07.000 You could say that race is a character that your soul may have a certain character because of your race.

01:20:12.000 But you also might say that race is still something that's sort of an artifact of your flesh, and it's an artifact of the material self.

01:20:20.000 And still, it's, you know, I'm not going to go out there and die for, you know, for something.

01:20:25.000 Because ultimately, all the races will perish one day. 0.93

01:20:27.000 The whole world will perish one day.

01:20:29.000 And what will it all have been for?

01:20:31.000 It's all a big LARP.

01:20:32.000 And that's really what I'm getting at, is in the absence, without this grounding in something metaphysically real,

01:20:39.000 We're all just LARPing, and it all doesn't matter, and there are no souls, and there is no judgment, and there is no moral law, and whenever we say, oh, America, or white, or any of these ideas, we're all really just role-playing, without that grounding in the supernatural reality.

01:20:56.000 We're also sort of self-consciously, and that's really what post-modernism is, is the self-conscious sort of performance.

01:21:04.000 Of what the human experience used to be, even though we know it kind of like doesn't matter.

01:21:08.000 And that's why Christianity is the only answer to it, because Christianity is the only thing that says it matters. 0.98

01:21:14.000 We're doing this for a reason.

01:21:16.000 But there's other problems too.

01:21:17.000 That's one of the problems.

01:21:18.000 The other problem is morality.

01:21:19.000 Why would we conduct ourselves in a moral way?

01:21:22.000 And where does our conscience come from if not for God?

01:21:25.000 And then there's also this problem of authority.

01:21:27.000 And that goes to all of this.

01:21:31.000 Listen, I'm understanding your worldview better by the second, but I also want to play in a little bit.

01:21:36.000 My neck's driving me fucking crazy, so I don't know how much longer I got left. 0.99

01:21:40.000 I'm an old bastard, okay? 0.99

01:21:41.000 So you guys got to deal with me. 0.99

01:21:46.000 My frustration, so there's a certain amount of logic.

01:21:49.000 That I follow down when we have these conversations about, like, Christianity, that being the meme that we're going to send our society around, and kind of, like, what the future of reality is, and whether or not, like, not-my-gnostic logos is sufficient.

01:22:03.000 The problem that I have with Christianity is there's a certain illogic to it for me. 0.94

01:22:08.000 And I know I'm not supposed to question the nature of God and this, that, the other, but I'm going to anyways, because otherwise, what's the fucking point of having this conversation if I'm not going to show you my logic? 0.74

01:22:16.000 My, my logic is that human beings have been around for, okay, allegedly, okay, allegedly. 0.98

01:22:22.000 I know we have some, I'll tell you how dinosaurs fucked this up.

01:22:25.000 10,000 years?

01:22:26.000 You're about to say.

01:22:26.000 Yeah.

01:22:29.000 So, allegedly, our universe is 13.6 billion years old.

01:22:33.000 Allegedly, humanity has been around for a few hundred thousand years.

01:22:36.000 Allegedly, humanity has evolved and it's really only been like the past like, I don't know, 5,000, 10,000 that I've seen the material increases in humanity's capacity of understanding each other.

01:22:46.000 We're kind of at the precipice of looking back

01:22:48.000 through our history, whereas before people were probably so focused on surviving that they didn't even have the ability to understand the past because they just had to survive in the present.

01:22:57.000 So, looking back, if we're to trust the lab coats, which I know is cringe, but if we're to trust the lab coats, basically the, sorry let me discard this,

01:23:08.000 If we're to trust lab codes, basically humanity has been around for a really long time, and some of our moral nature pre-existed Christ, and pre-existed the Torah, and pre-existed Jewish people, and all that kind of stuff.

01:23:20.000 And we can see the codification and moving of, like, morality.

01:23:24.000 Over time. 0.84

01:23:25.000 Like, so for instance, we're not gonna start observing, like, rabbinic, uh, rabbinic law when it comes to, like, the fucking temple or some shit when it comes to our ceremonies, because it was set for a different time in a different place, but for them that was like a morality. 0.95

01:23:38.000 Same thing with, like, the consumption of pork or shellfish or something like that. 0.88

01:23:41.000 If you want my real answer on why people don't consume pork and shellfish, 0.99

01:23:45.000 It's probably because they saw a bunch of pigs who were fucking rolling around and shit, and then Tom, their neighbor, ate pig, and then he died because he had a bug bacteria, and they're like, oh, God doesn't want you to eat pig because Tom, the pig eater, fucking died last week. 0.99

01:23:58.000 Same thing with shellfish. 1.00

01:23:59.000 They probably saw some dickhead with a fucking allergic reaction to shellfish, and they're like, oh, fucking Ted died from shellfish. 1.00

01:24:05.000 God doesn't want you to eat shellfish. 1.00

01:24:07.000 So, from there, if I was to extrapolate that logic in codification morality, like, over time, I think there's, like, social observations that we made as a species, like, telling the truth is better than lying, killing should only be done in justified circumstances, fucking your neighbor's wife is a really good way to get yourself killed, if you want to know who your kids are, you should probably be faithful to your partner, 0.99

01:24:29.000 If you don't want your dick to rot off because of diseases, then you should probably be faithful to your partner. 0.97

01:24:34.000 If you want your kids to be happy and healthy and productive human beings, then you should be around for them and raise them and teach them to be moral in the ways that you believe morality are important. 0.99

01:24:45.000 Nihilist antitheists I get so frustrated with because they don't even concede that this morality is evolutionarily advantageous.

01:24:52.000 They just say, oh, even to have social prescriptions is bigoted. 0.99

01:24:56.000 Even to have social prescriptions is fucked up. 0.94

01:24:59.000 Whereas for me, it's obvious that a lot of these social prescriptions actually do lead to better human life on average. 0.97

01:25:05.000 And you can come to me with a thousand exceptions, but the reality is that these rules were put in place for a reason.

01:25:11.000 So for me, I'm appealing to Christianity.

01:25:13.000 You were saying that you weren't appealing from a utilitarian standpoint.

01:25:17.000 I am appealing from a utilitarian standpoint.

01:25:19.000 I don't literally believe in the resurrection of Christ because I have 10,000 logical lab coat fucking reasons to not, but I do believe in the moral utility of Christian beliefs because I see their impact on human beings.

01:25:35.000 Yeah, and that's what I'm saying, is that's where I think we diverge, is I'm not pushing it for you.

01:25:40.000 And here's my issue though with the utilitarian is, and this is really the crux of it, I think that you cannot get the fruits of the religion

01:25:52.000 Without believing it.

01:25:53.000 I think that that's really the fundamental misstep of the Nietzscheans and the New Pagans and even people who say they're cultural Christians.

01:26:02.000 Because I hear this a lot.

01:26:03.000 I hear people say, you know, Christian civilization produced all this. 0.98

01:26:06.000 Let's sort of act out Christianity without believing in it. 1.00

01:26:10.000 And I think that

01:26:11.000 There is something that changes when something is done self-consciously.

01:26:16.000 There is, and I think maybe you would agree with this, that if I really believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, if I really believe that I'm going to burn in hell if I sin and I'll be rewarded if I don't, I really believe that will be my destiny.

01:26:33.000 Maybe not as my body, but my soul, my eternal soul.

01:26:38.000 There's a huge difference between

01:26:40.000 Earnest, sincere faith, and a sort of self-conscious performance of faith for the sake of these kinds of benefits, essentially.

01:26:49.000 And that, I think that's the real problem, which has been unresolved, is there isn't anything else, there's no alternative to believe in, and I think that trying to simulate that belief, I also think that you don't get the benefits.

01:27:02.000 Because, again, it really only works if people believe that there's

01:27:07.000 That there's a consequence for it.

01:27:08.000 I think it really only works with people.

01:27:10.000 And also because it's true!

01:27:11.000 And also because it's true.

01:27:13.000 It's not because people are not eating pork or whatever that they're doing great.

01:27:18.000 They're doing good because they're doing the right thing.

01:27:21.000 And I also think that it's no coincidence that

01:27:24.000 Things that God prescribes are good for you.

01:27:27.000 I think that, you know, when you look at the Bible, one way to look at it is like, this is just this collected tradition, and there's a so-called Burkean way to look at it.

01:27:35.000 There's like a Burkean heuristic, where you say, like you said, oh, people aren't eating shellfish, so they put it in the religious text, and, you know, something like this.

01:27:45.000 But I think that it's no coincidence that

01:27:48.000 It's not even just about STDs and how to build a functioning society.

01:27:53.000 I also think it's about how to live a fulfilling life.

01:27:57.000 I think it's how to navigate.

01:27:59.000 In other words, it's not just good in purely material terms.

01:28:03.000 In things that ancient people would understand, it's good in terms of... When you read the wisdom books, it's not just about

01:28:10.000 Like solving your little problems, it's about how are you going to live a life that's really consistent with what you were kind of created to get.

01:28:18.000 And it's written, in other words, like an author's manual, not like a field manual, if that makes sense.

01:28:25.000 It's written like the owner wrote the manual, rather than we're sort of like figuring these things out.

01:28:32.000 Because there's a lot of stuff in the Bible that is, in my opinion, maybe counterintuitive,

01:28:37.000 But it's true, and there's a lot of things in the canon of Catholicism where you might say, well, there's not actually a really simple evolutionary psychology explanation for it, but yet it works, and it's true.

01:28:48.000 And so to me, that shows, and then you've got, of course, the prophecies.

01:28:52.000 The prophecies are an unignorable part of this.

01:28:55.000 How could the prophecies predict the crucifixion?

01:28:58.000 You know, how could the prophecies predict the time and the manner and the nature of the coming of the Messiah, if it was just supposed to be this field manual of collected wisdom?

01:29:06.000 And why would there be this sort of arcane, esoteric things in there?

01:29:09.000 Numbers and all this, 7 times 70.

01:29:12.000 I think it's clear that it's a transcendental, otherworldly owner's manual, essentially, as opposed to this... I think that the evolutionary psychology thing just...

01:29:23.000 I think it's sense of rationalization.

01:29:25.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:29:26.000 That's exactly right.

01:29:27.000 Yeah, but I kind of, I land in between these two.

01:29:30.000 And I joke about it.

01:29:33.000 I joke about it with plenty of people.

01:29:36.000 But I think that there's... I think, you're gonna hate this, but I'm gonna tell you anyways.

01:29:43.000 I think contemplating the nature of existence and marijuana or mushrooms or any of that kind of stuff, it fucks with you on a level that's ultimately undeniable.

01:29:58.000 And the thoughts and revelations that you'll achieve when you kind of get into these spaces are undeniable because they alter your pattern of behavior.

01:30:06.000 And so that's where for me, I think that contemplation, meditation, seeking, you know, God, like I said, I'm a gnostic, you know, not a specific religious person, I just believe in a fundamental creative force and an order to the universe.

01:30:21.000 The, and I think that you can know that universe through revelation that's both like personal and also cultural and over time and all that kind of stuff.

01:30:29.000 So I do think that the Bible is revelation, but I also think that it's revelation through a flawed filter.

01:30:41.000 And that filter is humanity.

01:30:43.000 And so for me, everything that we're scratching at, whether it's, you know, Taoism or Confucianism or Christianity or Islam or something like that, we're all scratching at the same thing, which is God and existence and morality and meaning and all that kind of stuff.

01:30:58.000 And it's the flawed translations.

01:31:02.000 It's us dancing on the face of God.

01:31:04.000 It's us trying to scratch at the logos to understand it.

01:31:07.000 But I don't think that we have a final answer yet.

01:31:10.000 I don't think that, uh, you know, Bible, that's it.

01:31:12.000 That's all that we can understand about God and the universe.

01:31:15.000 I don't believe that.

01:31:17.000 Maybe that's very lab-cody of me to do so, but I do want to share something with you as well.

01:31:22.000 So, I didn't believe that dinosaurs existed or make sense, okay? 0.93

01:31:26.000 They're too fucking big, alright? 0.92

01:31:28.000 And, uh, you know, basically, they don't, uh, you know, them fucking doesn't make sense, right? 0.97

01:31:32.000 You know? 1.00

01:31:33.000 They're like, how does a stegosaurus fuck? 0.95

01:31:34.000 The two, the two things... We talked about this last week with, with Wang Lin, by the way. 0.97

01:31:39.000 Just out of the blue, you happen to bring this up.

01:31:41.000 Anyway, sorry.

01:31:42.000 And then I got a bird. 0.98

01:31:44.000 And the way that birds have sex is they basically rub their buttholes together. 1.00

01:31:48.000 So all they do is they lift up their feathers and they rub their buttholes together. 0.97

01:31:52.000 And I was like, oh, OK.

01:31:54.000 Maybe a T-Rex could do this.

01:31:55.000 Maybe a stegosaurus could do this. 0.99

01:31:57.000 So I just wanted to throw that in the back of your head in case the dinosaurs aren't real fucking thing is still in the back of your head. 1.00

01:32:03.000 I think dinosaur sex is possible. 1.00

01:32:05.000 I don't know if they're real. 0.98

01:32:06.000 That's the thing.

01:32:07.000 Have you seen the fossil records?

01:32:07.000 I don't know.

01:32:09.000 I haven't seen them.

01:32:10.000 I find it hard to believe.

01:32:11.000 I find it hard to believe.

01:32:15.000 Listen, here's the thing.

01:32:16.000 I've argued with people about this my entire life.

01:32:20.000 Here's the difference.

01:32:22.000 Lab coats are out there saying, uh, T-Rex?

01:32:24.000 Yeah, sure!

01:32:26.000 Serapod or sauropod?

01:32:27.000 Yeah, totally!

01:32:29.000 And a guy comes along and says, hey guys, I don't know about all this.

01:32:33.000 It just seems hard to believe.

01:32:34.000 And they go, crucify him! 0.69

01:32:35.000 Crucify him!

01:32:36.000 He doesn't believe in the giant lizard!

01:32:38.000 It's like, all I said is, I find it a little bit hard to believe.

01:32:41.000 I find evolution... I'm not this... I'm not a... I'm a paleoconservative, not a paleontologist.

01:32:47.000 So I don't, you know, I don't know the fossil record here.

01:32:50.000 Uh, but it just seemed unsceptical.

01:32:52.000 Okay, my, my running theory was that dinosaurs were, uh, they were created to sell children's toys, okay?

01:32:59.000 They were like, let's make cool-looking, weird animals.

01:33:02.000 Source Lucas came up with dinosaurs, yeah. 0.99

01:33:04.000 And then, and then we'll fucking, and then we'll sell them to kids, and then when fucking ultra-giga-chad fucking Christian nationalist geniuses figure out that we're lying, we'll just fucking browbeat them into shutting their mouths about, uh, the, the existence of dinosaurs. 0.99

01:33:17.000 I think that's what happened. 0.99

01:33:19.000 Possible.

01:33:20.000 Possible.

01:33:21.000 Well, then there's, uh...

01:33:23.000 There's a big... I don't even know what the conspiracy theory is, but it says, like, oil people created the fossil myth.

01:33:30.000 I don't know.

01:33:31.000 I'm not really up to date on that one.

01:33:33.000 But why does everyone care that I believe in... That's... I have a problem with the snarky... No, I was saying that I had similar doubts, and then I saw birds fuck, and I was like, okay, maybe dinosaurs are real. 0.69

01:33:45.000 Yeah, I think it's possible. 0.91

01:33:46.000 I think it's possible.

01:33:47.000 I think that the Bible describes dinosaurs.

01:33:50.000 I think that the Bible

01:33:52.000 Oh, for sure. 0.98

01:33:53.000 I think historical descriptions of dragons and sea monsters and all that kind of shit were probably, like, Leviathan creatures in human prehistory that were absolutely fucking monstrous to deal with. 0.92

01:34:07.000 We probably, like, 0.97

01:34:09.000 We think it's all fucking fun and games to deal with, like, mountain lions and grizzly bears and all that kind of shit. 1.00

01:34:14.000 Could you imagine, like, actually dealing with a fucking squid that's capable of killing people? 1.00

01:34:18.000 Or fucking, uh, like, like, uh, goddamn... Imagine, imagine dealing with a, uh, what is it? 1.00

01:34:23.000 A Komodo dragon.

01:34:25.000 Like, that's, like, full-sized.

01:34:27.000 And then walking away and being like, Frank got eaten by a Komodo dragon. 1.00

01:34:29.000 And it's like, go write a story about that shit. 0.99

01:34:31.000 Tell me that, uh, dinosaurs or, uh, dragons don't pop up in your lore, in your literature. 0.99

01:34:36.000 But anyways, I listen I'm okay, so I'm not gonna lie. 0.97

01:34:40.000 I'm gonna tell you exactly where I'm at I don't give a fuck about Ukraine because I understand like I give a fuck on a personal level I'm still gonna send money to my friends in Ukraine. 0.94

01:34:48.000 I'm still gonna I'm still gonna support them and What about the Azov battalion? 0.98

01:34:52.000 We didn't even talk about the Azov battalion tonight!

01:34:56.000 Christian, Western Ukrainian.

01:34:59.000 He asked me for dating advice that he followed well before the war and he actually took me up on it and he actually had a successful taste date with a girl that he was into.

01:35:10.000 So, you know, he's a good kid.

01:35:13.000 Uh, sorry, did you have a real question about the Yazoov Battalion?

01:35:13.000 Anyways.

01:35:16.000 No, I just mentioned that we hadn't brought it up. 0.87

01:35:19.000 I was just being silly.

01:35:20.000 I mean, it isn't silly. 0.60

01:35:21.000 We haven't brought it up.

01:35:23.000 But, uh... Wait, why do you... I don't know, do you want to say something about the Yazoov?

01:35:25.000 Why do you Christian nationalists who hang out with fascists care about Ukrainian fascists as a moral fucking indictment of Ukraine? 0.98

01:35:31.000 That's my question. 0.99

01:35:32.000 I don't.

01:35:33.000 Yeah, I don't.

01:35:34.000 Everybody's always using that argument.

01:35:36.000 They're like, the Yazoov's a bunch of Nazis. 1.00

01:35:38.000 You like Nazis, you dumb fuck? 1.00

01:35:42.000 Well, I will say, here's what I will say. 1.00

01:35:45.000 The Ukrainian far right, they hate ethnic Russians.

01:35:53.000 For what it's worth, I am against ethnic hatred.

01:35:56.000 I'm not going to say that I support the war by Russia because they're exterminating racism.

01:36:01.000 I'm not going to say that.

01:36:02.000 But I will say that the ethnic hatred of the Russians is wrong.

01:36:07.000 I don't support ethnic hatred. 0.98

01:36:09.000 And for what it's worth, it is fucked up what they're doing. 0.98

01:36:11.000 The Galician far right and the Kiev government 0.91

01:36:14.000 Going after the Russian language and all of that, I think it's messed up, but I also don't really care about the conflict. 0.58

01:36:21.000 The Azov thing is also, I mean, people bring up the way they are treated by the Western media and Western governments previous to this conflict. 0.99

01:36:30.000 Where they're called out before and now they're just virtually ignored because as long as they're fighting Russia, who gives a fuck? 0.98

01:36:36.000 Basically. 0.98

01:36:37.000 I won't say ignored, but kind of whitewashed a little bit.

01:36:40.000 It's not like they completely ignore it, but they kind of give it a little bit of a pass now.

01:36:46.000 So, yeah.

01:36:47.000 Which you find ironic considering, like, the global, homo, internationalist, pro-LGBT, pro-disagreement. 1.00

01:36:53.000 Well, I'm the moderator.

01:36:54.000 Some people say.

01:36:55.000 I don't know.

01:36:56.000 I won't weigh in how I feel one way or the other.

01:36:58.000 But people have certainly brought that up.

01:37:00.000 Yeah.

01:37:01.000 So, okay.

01:37:01.000 So, what I'll tell you is, I don't need to wrap up.

01:37:01.000 Yeah.

01:37:06.000 I can be here as long as you want to if you want to answer superchats or continue on to a different conversation or whatever. 0.99

01:37:11.000 I'm just telling you, I'm old as shit. 0.98

01:37:14.000 I'm still in the wage cage, so I have to pay my bills. 1.00

01:37:17.000 So I sat in a chair for eight hours before doing this debate, and my neck and my back is fucking screaming at me because I can't do this shit full time, unlike you neat fucks. 0.99

01:37:27.000 And basically, you know, I want to get there eventually. 0.99

01:37:30.000 But I'm not there right now.

01:37:33.000 So so maybe next time I can be a little bit more hydrated and well rested.

01:37:37.000 But my brain, my early onset dementia is going to start to wander.

01:37:42.000 So you kind of we know we got we got a few.

01:37:45.000 Yeah, we got it.

01:37:46.000 No, it's cool.

01:37:46.000 We got a few here.

01:37:47.000 I think I mean,

01:37:48.000 We did a couple hours.

01:37:50.000 I said Spacey earlier.

01:37:52.000 It was wide-ranging.

01:37:55.000 Somebody said more of an interview.

01:37:57.000 I saw a couple people.

01:37:58.000 Kind of more of a discussion, I would say.

01:38:00.000 And feeling out some areas here.

01:38:04.000 Let's see.

01:38:05.000 Counterpoints.

01:38:05.000 Clean up that mouth effect that you curse after every word you say.

01:38:08.000 It makes you unbearable to listen to.

01:38:10.000 It makes you sound

01:38:11.000 Like, you don't know what you're talking about.

01:38:12.000 No, I do curse a little bit myself, but... I was about to say, that's super true. 1.00

01:38:16.000 Yeah, well... No, hold on, Ethan.

01:38:19.000 I want an opportunity to respond.

01:38:20.000 Go ahead.

01:38:21.000 I'm a former Marine, number two. 1.00

01:38:24.000 Eat a dick, number three. 1.00

01:38:26.000 You're on the far right. 1.00

01:38:27.000 We're literally talking about, like, Christian Imperium and conquering the world and what elements of fucking fascism are integratable and which ones of them are fucking cringe. 1.00

01:38:36.000 And you're complaining about the word, like, fuck? 1.00

01:38:39.000 Are you a baby? 1.00

01:38:40.000 Are you a child? 1.00

01:38:42.000 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:38:42.000 I will say it is a crutch, though. 1.00

01:38:45.000 I realize that on my own, and it's like just something that you always wish to.

01:38:48.000 I'm halfway through life.

01:38:50.000 Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, I'm still gonna curse, don't get me wrong, but I do recognize, I like, there are better words.

01:38:56.000 Santa Claus says, CounterPoints denies Jesus as our Lord and Savior.

01:39:01.000 I don't know.

01:39:03.000 And then he said something about, I won't repeat the rest.

01:39:06.000 It was kind of rude.

01:39:08.000 If it's TOS safe, go ahead.

01:39:11.000 No, I'd rather not.

01:39:13.000 Something about burning on coal for eternity.

01:39:16.000 So I don't know.

01:39:19.000 Is that a sex joke or is that a hell joke? 0.94

01:39:22.000 I can't tell. 0.66

01:39:24.000 I mean, if you want me to read it, I'll read it. 0.98

01:39:26.000 He says, is the gay apron worth burning on coal for eternity? 1.00

01:39:30.000 Faggot. 1.00

01:39:31.000 Gay apron. 1.00

01:39:32.000 I don't know what that means. 0.97

01:39:33.000 What kind of apron?

01:39:34.000 We'll catch up with them eventually.

01:39:36.000 Somebody can explain it to me later.

01:39:37.000 The apron, I'm not sure.

01:39:38.000 So, let's see.

01:39:41.000 Connor, you talk about how Russia didn't try to negotiate, but they did.

01:39:46.000 And Zelensky wouldn't even deny NATO.

01:39:48.000 With Russian security at risk over something so small, then yes, shelling cities is necessary. 1.00

01:39:55.000 Okay, so pushing back on that. 0.70

01:39:57.000 Do you think I just as easily could have gone back to Nick and bored the fuck out of y'all by saying, Ukraine tried to negotiate too back in 2014.

01:40:04.000 There was this meeting between Zelensky and Russia and they asked for these three things and they didn't get them. 0.99

01:40:10.000 I don't give a shit. 0.99

01:40:10.000 We're talking about broad strokes. 0.99

01:40:13.000 All right, now, do you want to weigh in on that, Nick?

01:40:16.000 Anything to say there?

01:40:19.000 I would just say that it's pretty transparent that we try to negotiate.

01:40:23.000 I don't think any—or rather, that Russia tried to negotiate.

01:40:26.000 I don't think anybody even denies that.

01:40:27.000 I think that basically the diplomatic expansion, the NATO expansion, was a steamroll from the very beginning.

01:40:36.000 I don't think anybody denies that.

01:40:38.000 I just think where people would argue about that is they'd say, like,

01:40:41.000 Well, it doesn't matter because liberal democracy is what's right, so it's almost like this.

01:40:47.000 What do you think about the idea that Putin was actually doing this also for the future, not just for this Ukrainian dispute, that this is also to show the West that he will do something like that, that Russia will go to war, and it's not just all saber-rattling that, yeah, we will go into country, yeah, we will drop some missiles if needed.

01:41:07.000 I think he's cementing his legacy.

01:41:09.000 The dude that is like 60s or something like that, he's trying to make sure that Russia is stronger than when he first got it. 0.96

01:41:15.000 I don't know if that's true or not, considering how economically fucked and militarily fucked it's been, but that was his goal. 0.90

01:41:23.000 Whether or not he achieved it is debatable. 0.95

01:41:25.000 Well yeah, well maybe he thinks if they don't ever act, if they just keep getting bullied by the West over and over and over again, then they never step up, basically, in a serious way, militarily.

01:41:35.000 Yeah, but there's just, while we can extrapolate it down to these broad moral philosophies and all that kind of stuff, there's just, there's young people who are dead now that didn't need to be.

01:41:45.000 That's it.

01:41:46.000 Well, I mean, that's always the case, though, throughout world history, right?

01:41:49.000 I mean, there's always wars and people dead that shouldn't be dead.

01:41:53.000 In theory, right?

01:41:55.000 In theory, you wouldn't want to see anybody get killed, but they're going to continue to get killed.

01:41:59.000 My only objection to any pushback on this is basically, I want you to look at it.

01:42:04.000 I don't care.

01:42:04.000 That's it.

01:42:05.000 If you want to say Russia is based and we salute our boys in white, red, and fucking blue or some shit. 1.00

01:42:10.000 And we do. 1.00

01:42:11.000 If you want to say that shit, I just want you to also look at the pictures of Ukrainian kids with half their fucking heads missing. 1.00

01:42:17.000 Because, oh no. 1.00

01:42:20.000 Oh no, the dead people, Nick.

01:42:21.000 The dead people. 0.85

01:42:22.000 Yes, I'm appealing to the dead people. 0.98

01:42:24.000 What picture of a dead person?

01:42:25.000 You have this argument, but it's a war.

01:42:29.000 And also a lot of that is fake.

01:42:35.000 You could have left it with the first one.

01:42:37.000 It's also fake!

01:42:38.000 Do you not believe in atrocity propaganda?

01:42:41.000 No, I do believe in atrocity propaganda, but do you... So for atrocity propaganda, there's probably some level of atrocity, right?

01:42:48.000 Even if we're talking about a few thousand or a few hundred or whatever?

01:42:50.000 No, I think that you have a war.

01:42:53.000 If you shoot an artillery shell into a civilian area, there's a chance it's going to hit a civilian?

01:42:57.000 Well, there will be civilian casualties, but this, you know, what we're hearing from the media is hysterical, where they say, they're bombing maternity wards deliberately.

01:43:06.000 It's like, they're bombing a puppy mill.

01:43:09.000 They just blew up a puppy mill and a pet store and a daycare. 0.66

01:43:13.000 It's like, that's the atrocity.

01:43:15.000 Because it's, of course, like, atrocity to me implies excessive cruelty or malice.

01:43:21.000 There will be casualties, and that is unfortunate.

01:43:21.000 It is a war.

01:43:27.000 So this is what I'm really saying, because I don't think we're disagreeing.

01:43:31.000 I just want you to look at it.

01:43:33.000 That's it.

01:43:34.000 That's all I care about.

01:43:35.000 If you have the same opinion, you have the same opinion.

01:43:37.000 I don't care.

01:43:38.000 Okay. 0.99

01:43:39.000 Then I don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:43:39.000 Alright, fine. 1.00

01:43:40.000 That's fine. 0.97

01:43:42.000 Just as long and I'm not saying this is like a personal indictment to you I'm saying I'm saying to the people who are blasé about violence I just I would like it if they had some real-world experience with violence so they know what it feels like and then if they could look at the violence that's being inflicted in an ideology that they supposedly support and then if they can morally square that with themselves it's like it's like somebody eating a cow or some shit 1.00

01:44:04.000 Like, if you're gonna go to McDonald's or something like that, I'm not saying you gotta fucking kill your own cows and shit, but recognize that you're killing a fucking cow, and if it came down to it and you're like, yeah, I want my fucking Big Mac, then just be willing to shoot the cow in the fucking head yourself. 1.00

01:44:16.000 That's all I'm saying. 1.00

01:44:17.000 I just think that, like, I agree with you.

01:44:20.000 I think that people should not be blasé about war and violence because, and you uniquely understand this because you were in a war, that you're right, violence is abhorrent and war is abhorrent.

01:44:31.000 I think that war should be avoided at any cost and I don't think there's any, and I don't think it's going to be glib about violence.

01:44:38.000 That being said, I think that it's foundational to the worldview that

01:44:43.000 The violence is unnecessary and the violence is being caused.

01:44:46.000 I mean, it's true that Russia, in a strict sense, initiated it, but the real cause was the West. 0.74

01:44:53.000 And it is tragic and it's unfortunate.

01:44:55.000 I'm not trying to be funny when I say that, but I do support Russia and I do support it and, like, you know, the meta-political consequences.

01:45:04.000 But I agree with you.

01:45:05.000 I don't think violence is funny.

01:45:07.000 It is tragic where it happens, but

01:45:09.000 That is the world, and these are things that happen.

01:45:11.000 We don't have to be so sober.

01:45:12.000 Violence can be funny.

01:45:14.000 And death can be funny.

01:45:17.000 But, like, I just want people to reconcile what they're doing. 0.99

01:45:20.000 So for instance, like, Coach Red Pill as a fucking sample or whatever. 0.98

01:45:24.000 See? 0.99

01:45:25.000 Who would sell?

01:45:26.000 I don't know who you're talking about.

01:45:27.000 I knew, I knew you would enjoy that.

01:45:30.000 Traveling to a country that's being invaded, publicly supporting the invaders, and then posting that to social media, and then getting detained for a few weeks. 0.99

01:45:42.000 I don't know the details of it or whatever, but the fucking, like the Rip Bozo shit on fucking Twitter, I'm not gonna lie. 1.00

01:45:49.000 It's fu- like if he was actually executed in like a, you know, Ukrainian fucking jail cell or whatever, it'd be a little fucked up. 1.00

01:45:55.000 I laughed. 1.00

01:45:56.000 Okay?

01:45:56.000 I laughed.

01:45:57.000 I thought it was fucking funny. 1.00

01:45:58.000 I thought it was fucking funny that somebody was mean to you, and you're like, fuck you, you piece of shit. 1.00

01:46:02.000 And, uh, you know, violence can be funny sometimes. 1.00

01:46:05.000 The... I agree.

01:46:06.000 Yeah, so, so, my, my only point is, like, I just want, I just want people who are casual and blasé about violence to know what they're being casual and blasé about it. 0.96

01:46:15.000 If you want to be funny, if you want to fuck around with it, yeah, sure, go ahead. 0.99

01:46:18.000 Just do it like a fucking adult. 1.00

01:46:19.000 That's all I need. 1.00

01:46:20.000 Fair.

01:46:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:46:23.000 No, I have my own take.

01:46:23.000 Okay, alright.

01:46:24.000 I won't.

01:46:24.000 I was about to say something.

01:46:26.000 Alright, now let me look.

01:46:27.000 Make sure I didn't miss all the questions.

01:46:30.000 Let's see.

01:46:32.000 Ask Connor why he thinks black people love their families more than white people love their families.

01:46:37.000 I don't know if that's a take that you have or... That's not a take that I have.

01:46:42.000 Okay.

01:46:44.000 Internax says, wow, my old best friend and my new best friend are getting along.

01:46:47.000 Glad to see that you're becoming a griper like me, Connor. 0.98

01:46:52.000 Nick, do you know who Internax is by any chance?

01:46:55.000 Yeah, I have seen him around, but I don't really know his story.

01:46:58.000 I don't know his deal.

01:47:00.000 He's a Christian Democrat, and he basically, like, he's not as built into this universe as, you know, I am, I guess. 0.98

01:47:10.000 But he basically, he goes, deals with degenerate Twitch trash, and then freaks the fuck out and autistically spurgs at him without getting banned. 0.98

01:47:19.000 All right, now let's see. 0.97

01:47:23.000 Anonymous says, so based on this debate, Conor agrees with Nick on Russia's justification of this war.

01:47:29.000 What do you say about that?

01:47:31.000 So, I can concede descriptive reality.

01:47:33.000 There's no harm in conceding descriptive reality, but I also think that we can... Nick would probably concede my descriptive reality, which is the United States is representative of a 65 trillion global hegemon that's trying to rule the world, either through diplomacy or economics, in that there is a argument for Russia being forced into the fold.

01:47:56.000 It didn't happen.

01:47:57.000 There's a consequence. 0.98

01:47:59.000 And you could say it was like an overreach or some shit, but it's not Europeans. 1.00

01:48:05.000 Europeans are experiencing high gas prices. 0.99

01:48:07.000 They're not getting artillery shelled.

01:48:09.000 And Americans, there's global economic earthquakes because of what's going on, but it's not Europeans or the Western hegemony that's paying the price.

01:48:19.000 It's Ukrainians and it's Russians. 0.91

01:48:21.000 So while I think Nick could be right that this is an overreach by the global American empire, I think the reason why they were willing to overreach is because they knew they weren't going to be the ones who primarily paid the price.

01:48:31.000 So you can morally indict my side while still descriptively understanding their project. 0.99

01:48:37.000 So just because I concede to descriptive reality doesn't mean I'm like, oh yeah, Russia's based for fucking artillery shelling fucking cities. 0.99

01:48:43.000 No. 0.98

01:48:45.000 I would go a step further, and I would even say that the United States is driving the policy, and the United States isn't even bearing the brunt of the economic pain, too.

01:48:53.000 It's like, we're not dying, and also, we're not reliant on the Russian natural gas, but we're the driver.

01:49:00.000 This policy is not good for Ukraine, or for Germany, or France, or Eastern Europe.

01:49:07.000 But maybe Joe Biden is playing 4-D chess, because Trump

01:49:10.000 Was trying to get the German military to carry its own weight, and because of the war in Ukraine, you know, the Bundeswehr is now rearming and becoming, you know, better funded.

01:49:20.000 So maybe Biden is actually, despite his melting brain, a 4D genius.

01:49:24.000 Yeah, maybe.

01:49:25.000 Possible.

01:49:26.000 He's, hey, he's about to end abortion.

01:49:27.000 Holy Catholic president.

01:49:29.000 He's gonna end an abortion. 0.99

01:49:31.000 We never saw it coming.

01:49:33.000 We kind of like it.

01:49:33.000 Never saw it coming.

01:49:35.000 Caliban won in Afghanistan.

01:49:38.000 I'm kind of loving what we're getting, honestly.

01:49:40.000 Now let's see here.

01:49:43.000 We have a couple more Super Chats.

01:49:47.000 Let's see.

01:49:48.000 Unrelated to this debate, but according to Julius Evola, the masculine spirit takes form in warrior or priest.

01:49:55.000 People telling Nick to work out don't get that they are imposing warrior

01:49:59.000 Case values on a man who walks a priestly path.

01:50:04.000 True, true.

01:50:04.000 Ah.

01:50:05.000 Yeah, this guy's a warrior.

01:50:06.000 He's a former Marine.

01:50:07.000 I don't know if you caught that.

01:50:08.000 He's a former Marine.

01:50:09.000 Or you never leave... What is he?

01:50:11.000 Never leave the Marine Corps or something like that?

01:50:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:14.000 Once a Marine, always a Marine. 0.99

01:50:15.000 Yeah, and that's why I have fucking arthritis and neck problems and shit. 0.99

01:50:19.000 So, yeah, wasn't Evola the fucking autist who was like walking around in artillery strikes during World War I and got paralyzed as a result? 0.99

01:50:26.000 Or was I thinking of some other philosopher? 0.98

01:50:29.000 I don't know his story.

01:50:31.000 I don't believe he was in World War I, no.

01:50:34.000 There was some dissident right-wing philosopher or somebody people like to appeal to, who literally was like, the axe of God and the axe of man are ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, and they align this way mystically, this, that, the other, and he used to go out for walks in artillery strikes in a civilian area, and he literally got paralyzed because he was such an autist. 0.62

01:50:54.000 I haven't heard that one.

01:50:56.000 Just be careful with Central Europeans giving you advice on how to live a masculine life, that's what I would say. 1.00

01:51:01.000 People in chat said yes, but World War II, not World War I. I didn't know that either.

01:51:07.000 Let's see, Mr. Gibson says, Counter, does signing your life onto Zog make you feel like you have an important take? 0.54

01:51:13.000 Being a Marine doesn't hide you from real criticism.

01:51:15.000 You started off good, but ended up shooting yourself in the foot.

01:51:19.000 This isn't good.

01:51:20.000 I'd be curious about what he thought I shot myself in the foot in.

01:51:23.000 No, I don't hide behind my service to make my own opinions.

01:51:26.000 I make my own opinions.

01:51:29.000 Let's see.

01:51:30.000 I'm trying to make sure I don't miss any.

01:51:32.000 I think we got them all in here.

01:51:35.000 And like I said, it ended up being a little bit more of a discussion with some flourishes of debate here and there.

01:51:42.000 Now, you started off counterpoint, so I'll let you start off here and let Mr. Fuentes finish it here.

01:51:49.000 And I know your back's hurting, too, probably, so I appreciate you hanging in here.

01:51:53.000 No, no.

01:51:54.000 I appreciate you allowing me to be a boomer on your platform.

01:51:58.000 No, I had fun.

01:52:00.000 I enjoyed it.

01:52:01.000 Nick the Knife Fuentes is a feared name in the world, but unfortunately he's been castigated into his realm.

01:52:11.000 But I do want to make it clear that we do have opposing projects.

01:52:14.000 Just because I'm conciliatory or concede to descriptive reality or this, that, the other, we do have fundamentally different perspectives.

01:52:22.000 To articulate this in the closing, 0.98

01:52:24.000 Um, because I'm not religious, because I don't root my world in foundational Christianity, I do have different takes on gay folk, trans folk, you know, whatever, minorities, all this kind of shit. 0.92

01:52:38.000 And I'm trying to think of the future of the world in which we build a civic nationalist, liberalist, 0.88

01:52:44.000 Structure that actually is strong enough to survive the trials and tribulations of the future without it being like a desiccated morally bankrupt spiritually collapsing falling apart Because we're at the peak of Rome But what happens now does it perpetuate or does it collapse?

01:53:03.000 And if it's going to perpetuate, we're going to need a spiritual, not like religious necessarily, but we're going to need a spiritual narrative that actually propagates the project forward.

01:53:13.000 Without that narrative, we're doomed to collapse because people don't even know what they're fighting and dying for.

01:53:17.000 So the material benefits are obvious.

01:53:21.000 The global hegemonic project is powerful.

01:53:24.000 Just because it experienced a temporary setback, I want people in Nick's audience to soberly reflect on what the geopolitical goals of Russia are and what the geopolitical goals of the American hegemonic project are, and who's succeeding in their goals more at this time.

01:53:41.000 And if anything, my argument against Nick's view, like this prescription that it's all going to fall apart, Cato, again, like the Roman historian philosopher or whatever, he predicted the fall of Rome 350, like 400 years before it happened.

01:53:55.000 So you can see the writing on the wall, but it could take longer to happen than you give it time for.

01:54:01.000 And on top of that, who do you want to be?

01:54:04.000 So, do you want to be the, you know, the Christian aesthetic who ignores the fall of the Imperium and eventually wants to reconstitute something greater within Christendom?

01:54:14.000 Because there were people who existed 2,000 years ago who did exactly that.

01:54:18.000 There were Bulgarian Central Europeans who became more Roman than some of the Romans themselves and fought for the Imperium and perpetuated the Empire for longer than most people thought it was going to survive. 0.83

01:54:31.000 And then there was stuck-up, snobby, shitty Italian Romans who basically doomed the Empire through their own hubris and through their own discrimination of what they had created, but they basically rushed the fall of the Empire because they were snobby and shitty towards their own creation. 1.00

01:54:51.000 I'm hoping that through these conversations, through these ideas, we could kind of come along like a civic nationalist, liberal social structure that's capable of perpetuating. 0.93

01:55:02.000 And when Nick says, do you think it's strong enough to survive?

01:55:05.000 My honest answer is, I don't know.

01:55:07.000 It's just what I'm pushing for the same way that he's pushing for Tsar Nicholas XIV and the revitalized Christian empire of the 3500s.

01:55:20.000 So we'll see whose project survives the test of history.

01:55:24.000 Mr. Freitas, go ahead, sir.

01:55:26.000 Indeed.

01:55:27.000 Yes, well, what started out as a debate about Russia and Ukraine has really taken some wild twists and some winding twists and turns, but that's okay.

01:55:38.000 I thought it was a good conversation, and I think you hit the nail on the head.

01:55:38.000 I thought it was fun.

01:55:42.000 The crux of the real divergence is on religion, and I think that is true about you and I and Destiny and I. I don't even think it's so much about

01:55:54.000 Right or left or, you know, anything really specific about ideology.

01:55:59.000 It's about whether or not we're religious.

01:56:00.000 That's obviously the big difference.

01:56:03.000 And as far as the Russia-Ukraine conflict goes, I think if I could just give an opinion on that, I think it's NATO's fault.

01:56:11.000 I think Russia is awesome.

01:56:13.000 I support Russia.

01:56:14.000 I think that the decline of America, and here's the thing about

01:56:18.000 American hegemony, it's over regardless. 0.52

01:56:21.000 The unipolar moment has passed.

01:56:24.000 The Ukraine war is not the beginning of it, it's sort of the end of that transition.

01:56:28.000 And so whether we pass good policy or bad policy really doesn't matter.

01:56:33.000 China is coming back, Russia is coming back, Europe will probably break away in more meaningful ways as time goes on.

01:56:40.000 This is reality we have to deal with and so we can't have a foreign policy predicated on this

01:56:46.000 Infallibility, the self-righteousness, and also this idea that we can achieve any goal, and we don't have to select which goals we want to have.

01:56:56.000 We've got to make choices and be economical, as opposed to this idea that we can fight two wars at once and do whatever we want, and we're never wrong.

01:57:05.000 I think the Ukraine war shows that.

01:57:07.000 As for our competing and separate projects,

01:57:10.000 I think that you are with everyone else.

01:57:14.000 In a certain sense, you are with the Nietzscheans and the Baptists and with everybody else that is trying to create some kind of new religion or something like a religion in the wake of modernism.

01:57:27.000 And I think that it's just not going to work.

01:57:29.000 And it's not going to work because religion is true. 1.00

01:57:31.000 If religion were not true, it would be possible. 1.00

01:57:33.000 But it just so happens that because religion is true, this project is impossible. 0.97

01:57:37.000 It's probably not going to work.

01:57:38.000 It's not going to work.

01:57:39.000 And it's been tried in communism, it's been tried in liberalism, I mean, and how many times do we have to see these kind of violent revolutions and butchery in France, or in Russia, or in Iran, or in other places, or in Germany, even, before we realize that there are no idea systems, there are no systems that are going to solve the problem, which is that man has fallen.

01:58:06.000 And that we live in a hierarchical, supernatural, metaphysical universe where there are angels and demons or rather there are angelic beings and where there's a God.

01:58:17.000 I think that all these systems failings is a testament to the fact that it's not getting at the true nature of the universe and of man.

01:58:23.000 And so I think that's why the only

01:58:25.000 The only thing that will work is going to be Christianity, and it's only going to work because it's the only thing that's true. 1.00

01:58:30.000 And if we're living in the end times, it's not going to work.

01:58:33.000 If we're not living in the end times, maybe we'll get another century or two.

01:58:37.000 But that's my closing statement.

01:58:38.000 That's all I got.

01:58:40.000 Thank you both, you gentlemen, for coming on the Killstream tonight.

01:58:43.000 Another one in the books.

01:58:45.000 Wide-ranging discussion slash debate here tonight on the show.

01:58:48.000 I enjoyed it as well.

01:58:49.000 Counterpoints, Nicholas J. Fuentes.

01:58:53.000 Welcome back.

01:58:54.000 Both of you, hopefully, down the line.

01:58:55.000 And have a good one this weekend.

01:58:57.000 All right.

01:58:58.000 Appreciate y'all.

01:58:59.000 All right.

01:58:59.000 Have a great one.

01:59:00.000 Thanks a lot.

01:59:01.000 Yep, you too.

01:59:01.000 You too.

01:59:02.000 Thank you both for coming on the Killstream.

01:59:06.000 There we go.

01:59:07.000 It's in the books all day long.

01:59:10.000 Anonymous sent $3.

01:59:12.000 So based on this debate, Connor agrees with Nick on Russia's justification of this war.

01:59:21.000 Bambigida Bomb sent $10.

01:59:22.000 What's good?

01:59:23.000 Big pimpin'.

01:59:25.000 Nothing.

01:59:26.000 Nothing beats the killstream.

01:59:28.000 Congrats on Rosie and salute Pansu.

01:59:30.000 Thank you.

01:59:30.000 Ralph, we are proud of you and know your mom and dad are too.

01:59:33.000 Thank you, man.

01:59:34.000 That made me smile.

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - May 07, 2022

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