00:03:23.000Very excited to be back with you here tonight on Tuesday.
00:03:28.000And in case you're just joining us, I have just finished my debate with Robert Barnes tonight on Infowars on the Israeli Palestinian conflict, moderated by Alex Jones.
00:04:02.000I strive for excellence, I strive for perfection.
00:04:06.000By the way, okay, so if you're just joining us, we've been planning this for a long time.
00:04:12.000If you've seen the show at any point in the past week, I've been promoting this, hyping this up to set the stage a little bit here.
00:04:19.000So I was supposed to debate Dave Rubin, or I challenged him.
00:04:23.000Dave Rubin to a debate on the Israeli Palestinian conflict last week because he was arguing with Lauren Chen, otherwise known as Roaming Millennial, on Twitter.
00:04:34.000And I jumped in and I said, I'll debate you on Israel Palestine.
00:04:49.000So Robert Barnes, who's a constitutional lawyer, a prominent conservative pundit, He challenged me to a debate and said, Oh, Dave Rubin won't debate you, but I will.
00:05:00.000And he said, We should do it on Infowars.
00:06:40.000But I put on Twitter, I said, you know, these are arguments that I was making in high school five, six years ago.
00:06:48.000And obviously, I no longer feel that way because I've seen things that radically change that.
00:06:53.000But it's the same textbook Israeli state propaganda, which is easily refuted, which comes out of like, I mean, these are literal like Zionist acts.
00:07:05.000Who create these arguments in a think tank somewhere and peddle this out to the public and give these approved talking points to their proxies in media or politicians?
00:07:32.000And I said this on Twitter or something at some point that Robert Barnes was one of the main people covering the Stop the Steal election fraud in 2020.
00:07:43.000I don't know if he was the most prominent, but he was putting out a lot of really good information at that time and wasn't a Opponent of the election fraud.
00:07:51.000And, you know, that was, it feels like that was a long time ago.
00:08:08.000If you were on the right side of Stop the Steal, if you were an activist, if you were on the front lines, and I don't know that Robert was literally in the streets, but he was putting out a lot of good information and a lot of good commentary.
00:08:20.000If you were on the right side of that and you were doing everything you could to stop Trump from having the election stolen from him, to me that gives you a lot of credibility.
00:08:28.000So I have a lot of respect for him for that, and same with Alex, of course.
00:08:32.000But, you know, I was watching one of his streams from a couple of days ago, Robert Barnes, that is, where he was talking about the debate, and he was talking about me and the debate, and he basically insinuated that I'm like a Muslim Brotherhood operative.
00:08:49.000You know, I'm glad he didn't bring that up in the debate, but.
00:08:52.000I saw one of his shows yesterday or two days ago.
00:08:56.000Him and his co host, who I think is like a Freemason or something, they were talking about the debate, and he said something to the effect of, well, I'm curious why he changed his mind.
00:09:06.000He was a Zionist at one point, and then he had a change of heart, basically insinuating, like, and then he said, like, maybe he's getting paid by the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:09:15.000Some people get paid, and they don't even know.
00:09:18.000And then he said, oh, he said some very provocative things in the buildup to January 6th.
00:09:41.000That was one, you know, in a multiverse of many different outcomes, there is a universe where I did something illegal.
00:09:48.000I didn't, but that's not, you know, I was in the Capitol for the Save America rally on the ellipse, and I marched to the Capitol and I gave a big speech and everything, right?
00:10:01.000I don't really care, but maybe I hope that his opinion of me has changed because I said some nice things about him.
00:10:07.000And then a couple of days ago, he was like, oh, well, I think he works for the Muslim Brotherhood and maybe he's a fad because he wasn't in the Capitol.
00:10:13.000And anyway, so I don't know exactly how he feels about me.
00:10:17.000Maybe he has some, maybe he feels differently now.
00:10:22.000Like I said, I prepared for it and I came to the debate.
00:10:25.000And honestly, it's like exactly what I expected.
00:10:27.000And, you know, I watched his video a couple of days ago.
00:10:32.000And what his argument amounted to was three main points, three main themes, which honestly, I didn't hear any of those tonight, which was kind of weird.
00:10:42.000I don't know if that was a deliberate red herring, if he was playing mind games or something.
00:11:15.000I'm not saying this to be malicious or hurtful, but very repetitive in the debate and in this video.
00:11:21.000And in this video that I watched, like I said from last week, one of the main points was that people aren't really pro Palestine, they're Arab nationalists.
00:11:31.000These various state and non state actors don't really support the creation of a Palestinian state.
00:11:36.000They're using this as an attack vector against Israel because they're Arab nationalists.
00:11:42.000And he just kept saying that sort of like a.
00:11:54.000You know, I mean, so he kept saying, well, what it's really about is that these pan Arabists, I guess, that's what I'm reading into it, pan Arab nationalists are trying to construct a pan Arab identity or something, and being against Israel is that contrast is what creates Arab identity.
00:12:16.000They define an Arab identity against Israel.
00:12:20.000Defining it in their shared opposition in the state of Israel because maybe there's not other things to unite around.
00:12:26.000At least that was sort of my interpretation, was something to the effect that, you know, these various Muslim countries, they're not supporting Palestine because they really believe in the cause of Palestine, but they see that as a uniting jihad, a uniting cause to rally other states around.
00:12:46.000Moreover, also because they just don't like Israel.
00:12:48.000They don't necessarily like Palestine, they just hate Israel.
00:12:54.000And I was watching that and I'm thinking, okay, well, there's kind of a big problem because, like, all the Arabs have normalized relations with Israel.
00:13:01.000Jordan and Egypt have normalized relations with Israel.
00:13:05.000Saudi Arabia and Bahrain have normalized relations with Israel.
00:13:10.000And Iraq is occupied by America, which is an ally of Israel.
00:13:14.000And so, where exactly are the Arabs that are against Israel, other than the Palestinian Arabs themselves, and to some extent the Lebanese, and maybe to some extent the Syrians?
00:13:26.000But you run into this problem of the chief antagonist against Israel is Iran, which is not ethnically Arab, it's ethnically Persian.
00:13:34.000They don't speak Arabic, they're not Arab, they're Persian.
00:13:38.000So, you know, I'm surprised that that didn't come up in the debate because I went back and watched his video on the subject and he talked for like 20 minutes Arab nationalism, Arab nationalism.
00:15:05.000Well, Palestine never existed until Israel did.
00:15:08.000Okay, well, Israel existed like 20 years before the Mandate of Palestine and the Palestinians created their identity after they were freed from the Ottoman Turks and in response to Jewish settlement of Muslim Arab lands.
00:15:25.000So that didn't really make much sense.
00:15:27.000And then the final one was well, Israel is always retaliating and responding, never initiating.
00:15:33.000And then that begs the question well, you know, if Israel's always on the defensive, why are Arabs always on the offensive?
00:15:39.000Because they're herb nationalists, and because they just hate Jews for no reason.
00:15:43.000It's not in response to Jewish behavior.
00:15:45.000It's not in response to Jewish settlement.
00:15:46.000It's not in response to Jewish atrocities or Jewish provocations.
00:15:50.000Just blind hatred, you know, just irrational.
00:15:54.000And so I saw that video, and it was kind of interesting because that was really more the debate that I had prepared for, addressing those main points.
00:16:02.000But I got a different debate, you know, right out of the gate, his opening statement, which I thought was very strategic.
00:16:08.000His opening statement was, well, My argument in this debate is that I believe in the Donald Trump policy.
00:16:16.000And I go, okay, so it's a meta debate now.
00:16:20.000Well, he starts off the debate and frames it as well, me, being the Zionist, being the pro Israel guy, being the pro Israel competitor or debater, well, I'm arguing that I think Donald Trump did the right thing and Donald Trump's brilliant strategy.
00:16:36.000Donald Trump, nobody gets it, but I do as a Zionist.
00:16:40.000And what I mean by there's a meta debate is he's obviously framing there very deliberately.
00:16:46.000And this is something that's crucial about debates and these kinds of contests what is the purpose of the debate?
00:16:52.000Is the purpose of the debate to discover truth?
00:16:55.000The purpose of the debate, ostensibly, why you're having this, is so that each side can make the case, argue for what they believe, or even if they don't believe it, argue the side of the issue.
00:17:07.000So the purpose of the debate is not to get to the bottom of the truth, investigation, research, That is trying to get to the bottom of something.
00:17:16.000A debate is about presenting two opposing sides clashing, and the real purpose is so that the audience, so that observers can see and evaluate which is the more compelling argument.
00:17:28.000Research, investigation, that kind of thing, that's a fact finding mission, that's a truth finding mission.
00:17:34.000A debate, whether or not the debaters believe what they're saying, is about throwing ideas up against each other and, moreover, trying to convince the people that are watching the debate that their argument is right, their interpretation is true.
00:17:48.000And so, it's in the context of that that the debate is being had, not merely about the substance of the debate itself.
00:17:54.000When I say it's a meta debate tactic, it's being aware of who is watching the debate and what their prejudices are and what they believe.
00:18:02.000So, when he comes out there and frames it as, well, I'm the Zionist or I support Donald Trump, who's watching the Infowars debate at 6 o'clock on a Tuesday night except for Trump supporters?
00:18:14.000Trump supporters, boomers, you know, regular conservative types.
00:18:18.000So, he comes out of the gate and says, well, the Zionist position is a Trump position.
00:18:23.000I do not support the position of the radical left and the squad and AOC.
00:18:29.000And it's like, okay, so you're really not arguing the substance of the position.
00:18:34.000I mean, he is, but sort of shoehorning in these associations to sort of create this bias.
00:18:43.000You know, well, people that like Trump are going to be more amenable to what you're about to say because, well, what you're about to say is defending the guy that they like.
00:18:52.000A Trump supporter watching the debate.
00:18:56.000It's seeding that, well, this is the Trump position, and I like Trump, so I'm biased in favor of this position.
00:19:02.000It's kind of a look, it's fair, it's rhetorical, that's the purpose of a debate.
00:19:07.000But he comes right out of the gate, very different from what I saw on his show, and he says, Well, the Trump position is the Zionist position, and that's the position that I have.
00:19:16.000And he said that, Well, Trump was playing Israel to fight Islamofascism.
00:19:23.000He identifies in his opening statement that the threat to the West is Islamofascism, and therefore, it's not stated, but therefore, Islamofascism is a threat to America.
00:19:35.000And so, if Israel's fighting Islamofascism, then that is the expression of the American interest that is served in supporting Israel.
00:19:43.000But, and I think this is a critical thing, this presumes that Islamofascism is real, defined, and is a threat to America.
00:19:51.000You know, his argument is well, I support the Donald Trump thing, and what's Donald Trump doing?
00:19:55.000Donald Trump is using Israel, Israel's strategic location, Israel's opposition to Islam, and using Israeli intelligence.
00:20:06.000And they are a proxy against America's enemy, which is Islamofascism.
00:20:11.000And this begs a lot of questions, which is number one, what is Islamofascism?
00:20:16.000Because, and I cornered him at one point in the debate.
00:20:19.000I said, well, if the interest that Israel is serving is fighting Islamofascism, let's take it at face value as a hypothetical.
00:20:27.000Well, why is it then that Trump also supported Saudi Arabia?
00:20:31.000I mean, what exactly is Islamofascism?
00:20:34.000I mean, let's assume it's Iran because Israel is.
00:20:38.000You know, fighting against Iran and fighting against Palestinians or something.
00:20:44.000So let's say that Hamas is Islamofascist and let's say that Iran is Islamofascist and these are the principal opponents of Israel in the Middle East.
00:20:53.000You know, and let's just assume for the sake of the argument that that in some way benefits America, which we'll get into that in a moment.
00:21:01.000But I said, okay, well, if Trump is using Israel to fight Islamofascism, then, you know, what about Saudi Arabia?
00:21:08.000In what meaningful way is Saudi Arabia distinct from Iran?
00:21:13.000As far as being Islamofascist goes, if we're supporting Saudi Arabia and they're on our side against Islamofascism, right?
00:21:22.000So if there's this sort of demarcation between America, Israel, and our unstated other allies, which are Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, against Islamofascism, well, what's the meaningful thing that distinguishes our so called Islamofascist adversaries from Saudi Arabia?
00:21:40.000I said, okay, well, you know, if Israel's fighting Iran, why are they fighting Iran with Saudi Arabia?
00:21:46.000What's more, And this is getting into the next issue as far as Islamofascism goes, let's say for the sake of argument that, well, maybe they're both Islamofascist.
00:21:57.000Maybe for whatever reason, Iran is and Saudi Arabia isn't Islamofascist.
00:22:02.000Well, then why is it that America has exclusively been attacked on American soil by Sunni Muslim terrorists sponsored by Saudi Arabia and in some cases, Israel, too?
00:22:15.000You know, the people that flew the planes in the building were Al Qaeda, sponsored by, I mean, they came.
00:22:20.000They were Sunni, Wahhabist Muslims, and Israel had prior knowledge of 9 11.
00:22:26.000What's more is that ISIS is a Sunni militant Islamist group that was born out of Wahhabi Islam from Saudi Arabia and with the backing of Israel, and they've been responsible for nearly all the terror attacks in America over the past five to 10 years.
00:22:43.000So let's say, for the sake of argument, that Iran is Islamofascist and Saudi Arabia isn't.
00:22:49.000Well, you know, that would be kind of a strange thing because our so called greatest enemy in the Middle East that is fighting against us is the side that has not attacked us on our own soil or at all in the last century, right, or the last two decades, or even at all.
00:23:06.000Hezbollah has never attacked America, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hamas, you know, Assad, none of these institutions which represent Israel's adversaries in the Middle East have attacked Americans on American soil.
00:23:19.000But our allies that are not Islamofascists have attacked us and they're Islamists.
00:23:58.000I mean, what do you call Muhammad Morsi?
00:24:00.000And, you know, Al Sisi is not from the Muslim Brotherhood, but still, what do you call Pakistan, who is an ally of the United States?
00:24:07.000What do you call a lot of these countries?
00:24:10.000So there's no meaningful distinction between the adversaries of Israel and the allies of Israel or the United States on the basis of them being more Muslim or more fascistic.
00:26:22.000Because Israel has one, not because America has one.
00:26:25.000They want a nuclear arsenal to protect them from a war against them by America that Israel would instigate, as well as to create parity with Israel, which itself has a nuclear arsenal.
00:26:38.000But they're not building nuclear weapons so that they can destroy America.
00:26:42.000They're building it defensively against the Zionist war from America and to achieve parity with the Zionist state itself.
00:26:49.000And, you know, so in short, I mean, that whole like, and that seemed to be the main theme throughout the debate was this Islamo fascism, Islamo fascism.
00:26:57.000And, you know, a big part of my evolution on the issue is realizing, like, you know, that's just not real.
00:28:31.000In what way is, you know, I don't know what planet Israel is on the brink of some sort of extermination or something.
00:28:39.000Don't you think that if the Muslims could destroy Israel, they would?
00:28:44.000Israel is allied with two out of the three countries that they border.
00:28:47.000Israel is allied with Egypt to their south, Jordan to their east.
00:28:51.000The only problem is Lebanon, which is a totally failed state, and Syria further north, which is a failed state, which is in the middle of a civil war.
00:29:00.000Their only other adversary, which hasn't been destroyed, which would be Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Sudan, destroyed by civil war, would be Iran.
00:29:11.000That's their last adversary, which they are actively agitating for war against.
00:29:38.000But somehow Israel is like on the verge of falling apart.
00:29:42.000I think it's like every country around has either bent the knee or been destroyed, except for Iran, which Trump, you know, ripped up the nuclear deal, put on the most intense sanctions regime, except for North Korea in the entire world, and we're on the borderline of war with them right now.
00:30:32.000It was largely Muslim, small Christian minority, and even smaller Jewish minority.
00:30:38.000Everything that is happening in the Middle East, in large part, is in response to the introduction of a Jewish settlement in the Levant, which has displaced the native population.
00:30:53.000It is an expansionist project, it is a provocative state.
00:30:58.000And, you know, the other thing that's going on is you had the Cold War and these sort of patron states in the Soviet Union, America, and before World War II.
00:31:09.000But that's really the cause of everything in the Middle East.
00:31:11.000Everybody wants to point the finger at Muslims and say, you know, Muslims are killing each other, Muslims are taking over, Muslims are the problem.
00:31:17.000It's like, you know, look, the cause of all this business in the last century was the Sykes Picot Agreement and the results thereof of French and British occupation of the Middle East, the handoff then to America of responsibility of the Middle East, and ultimately, too, the project of Israel, which has been expanding ever since the beginning of the last century.
00:31:41.000First, through the settlement of the Levant by Jews, the declaration of independence in 1948, and then the nearly constant expansion since then in these sort of territorial wars and also civilian settlements in occupied parts of the Mandate of Palestine.
00:31:58.000You know, they fight in 1948, they declare independence, they massacre Palestinians, expel them from the region, and they expand on the territory given to them by the UN.
00:32:07.000You know, then in 1967, and this is, you know, you really look into the history here.
00:32:16.000Israel basically provokes a war with Egypt and Syria, this Arab coalition, and Israel then gains control over Sinai, the Golan Heights, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank.
00:32:27.000They give up Sinai in 1978 in exchange for what?
00:32:30.000Peace with Egypt, secured by the United States and the foreign aid to Egypt.
00:32:34.000Never give back the Golan Heights, retain control in terms of security over the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
00:32:41.000And you know, we are here now in the present day where At one point, 100 years ago, there was no Jewish state in the Middle East, and Jews were still in the minority.
00:32:52.000Migrating rapidly in the 1920s and 30s, but 100 years ago, no Jewish state.
00:32:58.000It's Ottoman, well, at that point, it was British mandate, right?
00:33:02.000It's British control over a former Ottoman territory, but it's still largely Arab Muslim.
00:34:19.000Because Israel's like on the brink of collapse somehow, even though they're.
00:34:23.000Growing and expanding and more powerful than all their neighbors who have all been destroyed or forced into an alliance with Israel.
00:34:32.000And then, you know, as a rebuttal to that, you know, what my pitch was like, look, Muslims are not really like us.
00:34:40.000Muslims constitute a different civilization, you know, different religion, different people, obviously at war with Christendom for thousands of years or, you know, a little bit over a thousand years.
00:34:51.000I said, but Jews aren't Western civilization either.
00:34:54.000Jewish people and Israel are not Western civilization.
00:34:58.000You know, when Jewish people were a diaspora population living in Europe, they were segregated, they were expelled, they were persecuted, they were killed.
00:35:06.000They formed their own little enclaves in Europe where they spoke their own language and had their own courts and had their own police and acted as a corporate entity and were treated that way by the government.
00:35:17.000It wasn't until very recently that that wasn't true.
00:35:53.000I would undermine that that's even true, by the way.
00:35:56.000We've been living closer together than we have with Muslims because Jews have been living inside our civilization and there's some connection.
00:36:03.000Closer connection, I guess chronologically, between Talmudic Judaism and Christianity.
00:36:12.000And it's even a question whether or not they are more or less alien to us than the Muslims.
00:36:17.000And I said this during the debate Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was a prophet, and they hold him.
00:36:23.000I think that Muslims believe that Jesus Christ is second to Muhammad in holiness.
00:36:31.000Whereas Jews hate Jesus Christ, and they're the only people that do.
00:36:35.000Buddhists believe that Jesus Christ was like maybe not divine, but they think that he was like a social teacher or something, you know, an enlightened individual.
00:37:11.000Some of them are against Christianity, but Judaism is the only religion, rabbinical Judaism, or rather Talmudic Judaism, is the only religion that is like necessarily opposed to Christianity, and specifically Jesus Christ.
00:37:25.000Not to say that Muslims and Christians haven't had conflicts before, but in terms of the religion, and that all this is to say, I don't know that they're the outpost of Western civilization, the sort of protectorate, the close first cousin or sibling of Western civilization that people make it out to be, which is why.
00:38:57.000So you have to really build up a totally alternate universe where, like, America's under attack by Sharia law and Israel's, like, on the brink of collapse.
00:39:09.000These fanatics are trying to push them into the sea.
00:39:12.000And it's like we have to argue how foreign aid isn't really foreign aid.
00:39:16.000And when Israel does a preemptive strike against Egypt in 1967, Well, actually, Egypt provoked them into doing that, right?
00:40:40.000And socialism's not the number one threat.
00:40:42.000It's this like cultural revolution, demographic, white replacement, et cetera.
00:40:47.000But an organization like AEI, Cato Institute, Turning Point Heritage, they invite you into this created world where socialism is on the rise and you've got to be concerned about it.
00:41:00.000You got to think in terms of Reds and Pinco commies and all this.
00:41:05.000Because big government, you know, high taxation policies affect the donors to those groups adversely.
00:41:14.000All those think tanks are creating that fabricated world so that your enemies are the same enemies of the billionaires that put up the money for those groups.
00:41:23.000You know who's really afraid of so called socialism?
00:41:26.000The billionaires that front the money for Cato Institute and AEI and all those groups.
00:41:36.000Who's really afraid of the Islamofascists?
00:41:39.000I'm not, that's not a threat to me, but we have to be sold on that.
00:41:43.000We need to be convinced that that's our enemy because that's the enemy of Israel.
00:41:48.000And Israel and Jewish Zionists are creating these organizations, paying these organizations to put that out there and so fear and fearmonger and create these accusations of bigotry so that Americans get duped into believing otherwise unbelievable things that have no basis in our lived experience and our reality.
00:42:10.000So, I go through that debate, and it's just such a trip to hear this kind of stuff like Islamo fascism.
00:42:15.000I'm like, and I haven't heard that in a long time.
00:42:17.000You know, the last time I heard that was from Mark Levin.
00:42:21.000Mark Levin used to say that all the time on his show.
00:42:23.000I used to listen to Mark Levin and Glenn Beck and those kinds of people, and they say Islam fascists, and they make these comparisons to Hitler or something.
00:42:38.000He said, Well, the Palestinians are in bed with the Nazis, the Nazis, Nazis and Muslims, Arab nationalists and Aryan nationalists, hate Jews.
00:42:48.000And it really all goes back to this anti Semitism charge.
00:42:52.000Which is like, you can't criticize Jews.
00:42:55.000You can't criticize Jews in a way that Jews don't approve of.
00:43:01.000You can criticize certain things, and by the way, Jews will arbitrate what those things are.
00:43:07.000If you step outside the bounds of those things, it's anti Semitic.
00:43:11.000And if it's anti Semitic, you can't have a job.
00:43:13.000You can't have a job, you can't go to school, you can't run for office, you can't make money on the internet, you can't have a Facebook account or a YouTube account.
00:43:20.000And it really all goes down back to that, which is to say, These people are going to be elevated beyond criticism.
00:43:27.000We basically have to go along with what they say, or else, again, they get to arbitrate.
00:43:31.000Well, what you say falls outside of bounds.
00:43:39.000Like, that's the State Department's official policy of anti Semitism, it is so expansive.
00:43:45.000It includes things like if you say that Jewish people in America have more allegiance to Israel than America, that's the official State Department definition of anti Semitism.
00:43:55.000If you think that Jewish people shouldn't have a homeland in Israel, if you're against Israel, if you think that fewer than six million Jews died in the Holocaust, that's the official definition of anti Semitism.
00:44:18.000I mean, we live in a different reality where, you know, I don't know how you could be a white American and see what's gone on over the past year between COVID lockdown.
00:44:28.000And tech censorship and the election fraud and the Capitol war on terror now, you know, this Biden intel agency persecution of Trump supporters, and come away thinking, like, well, Islamofascism is going to destroy us all.
00:44:45.000And that's why we need to help Israel, our closest ally that's on the front lines.
00:44:49.000It's like it's been a long time since I've done that debate.
00:44:52.000It's been a long time since I've heard that stuff.
00:44:54.000And that's where you got to like shake people awake and say, listen, white man, listen, white Christian American man.
00:45:00.000None of that has anything to do with you.
00:45:03.000You know, you white Christians that live in America, what does Palestinian Islamic Jihad have to do with you?
00:45:09.000What is, you know, all these white Christian conservative Americans are talking about Hamas?
00:46:04.000Are they running Breitbart, Daily Wire?
00:46:08.000Are they running the Republican Party?
00:46:10.000You know, Robert's like, well, Al Jazeera, the Arab lobby represented by Al Jazeera.
00:46:15.000Which conservatives are reading Al Jazeera?
00:46:17.000Conservatives are reading Daily Wire, owned by Ben Shapiro, or I guess run by Ben Shapiro, who's a hardcore Jewish Zionist who doesn't care about America.
00:47:16.000Care, Muslims, Palestinians, even the general left has not been as much of an obstacle to me, an impediment to me, as the Israel first right.
00:47:30.000So, you know, that stuff just has no basis in reality.
00:47:35.000Anyway, so that's a little summary of the debate.
00:51:46.000That's very true because I was like, I was like, look, because he kept saying, that was another thing.
00:51:52.000He kept saying in the first half hour of the debate, we give money, we give five times as much money to Muslim countries than we do to the enemies of Israel than we do to Israel.
00:52:50.000Egypt is aligned with Israel, allied with Israel since 1978.
00:52:55.000And that's when they started getting the money.
00:52:57.000And Jordan is number three, another ally of Israel, normalized relations in the early 90s, and that's when they started getting their aid too.
00:53:03.000So he's like, well, the enemies of Israel, who are the enemies of Israel?
00:53:07.000Even though the figure isn't true, he says, well, the enemies of Israel are Muslim majority countries, really?
00:53:13.000Because the three, I mean, technically the three Muslim majority countries that get the most foreign aid are all basically aligned with Israel.
00:53:48.000And then that just stopped being brought up.
00:53:50.000And then he's like, well, I think he asked me, or maybe I asked him, we were talking about Syria, and I said it was the Trump administration policy.
00:54:01.000And it was the America First policy to oppose regime change in Syria, yet Israel pursued regime change in Syria after we stopped doing that.
00:54:11.000And Barnes was like, Well, the deep state wanted it.
00:54:14.000And I'm like, Oh, so like the deep state and Israel are working together to just subvert America First in the Trump administration?
00:54:22.000Like, yeah, that's a great argument as to why we should support Israel, right?
00:54:27.000That's a great argument as to why Israel is a great ally.
00:54:30.000Well, technically, Israel was acting in an aligned way with America.
00:54:36.000But not the America First agenda of the Trump administration, the anti American agenda of the globalist deep state.
00:54:44.000Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess I just didn't realize that.
00:54:49.000And that was just like, you know, that was sort of, we got off of that subject very quickly, but I'm like, you know, gee, well, here's a good instance.
00:54:59.000America abandoned regime change because that is bad for America, it destabilizes the region.
00:55:43.000And you want to know why they support regime change in Syria?
00:55:48.000They support regime change in Syria because Syria is aligned with Iran, and they see that Iran is forming this Shiite crescent in the Middle East, and Iran is sending missiles and supplies to Hezbollah in Lebanon through Syria, and that Iran has bases in Syria, and so they see Syria as a base of like Iranian control, a locus of Iranian power.
00:56:12.000And so that's why they want to destroy Assad by any means necessary, including and especially by supporting ISIS.
00:56:18.000What's more, is supporting ISIS creates a pretext for America to remain in the Middle East.
00:56:24.000Don't you remember when ISIS came around?
00:56:26.000Obama began the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq in 2011.
00:56:31.000ISIS comes on the scene shortly after.
00:56:45.000In 2011, he begins the withdrawal, and then ISIS magically forms.
00:56:53.000And then they say, well, ISIS formed in the power vacuum that was left by the Americans, withdrew too early, and now we have to stay forever.
00:57:03.000And now, not only do we have to stay forever, but now we also have to intervene in Syria.
00:57:07.000Oh, and now Assad used chemical weapons.
00:57:51.000You know, that was like a perfect example of, like, gee, you know, these guys are not, I mean, they don't really give a shit about what's in our interest and they don't care about us.
00:58:45.000Since 1967, every single president Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump the official stated policy of the American government is that they're against the settlement in the West Bank.
00:59:01.000Donald Trump, in one of his first press conferences with a foreign head of state in 2017, turned to Netanyahu and said, Hey, if you could stop settling the West Bank, that'd be great.
00:59:10.000Expand the settlements in the West Bank, which is against international law.
00:59:15.000So our foreign aid isn't leveraging them on that.
00:59:19.000Israel refused to sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which is, again, the official policy of America that they should sign the NPT.
00:59:28.000America tried to prevent them from getting weapons of mass destruction.
00:59:31.000Kennedy, Sent nuclear inspectors to Israel and they gave them the runaround.
00:59:36.000We tried to prevent Israel from acquiring a nuclear arsenal.
00:59:40.000And the Israelis stole our nuclear materials and they stole our nuclear know how, as well as from NATO allies like Germany, to build their nuclear arsenal in violation of the NPT, which they didn't sign, all of which is against American policy.
00:59:55.000Wouldn't ratify the Convention on Biological or Chemical Weapons.
01:00:14.000Israel did this big cyber attack against Iran some time ago, targeting their nuclear centrifuges, which they used to enrich uranium, allegedly for a nuclear weapons program.
01:00:26.000The reason the Israelis were able to develop the Stuxnet virus is because the Israelis stole the same nuclear centrifuge blueprints from Germany that AQ Khan did, who was a Pakistani operative, and he gave them to.
01:00:42.000So, in other words, Israel had the know how of Iran's centrifuges because both Israel and Iran stole the blueprints from Germany, a NATO ally.
01:00:53.000Israel stole the nuclear visible material from Europe and from America, particularly in the Apollo affair and the Plumbot affair.
01:05:09.000I'm like, well, I mean, that would never happen.
01:05:12.000But yeah, and then I'm like, but I'm not advocating for that.
01:05:18.000That's another meta debate tactic because he knows that if I say yes, bad things will happen to me in the real world outside of the debate.
01:05:28.000But if I say no, then it makes me look like I'm being a hypocrite or something.
01:08:10.000They're trying to conjure up this comparison of the Nazis.
01:08:13.000Like, well, you know, Chamberlain appeased the Nazis in the 30s when Hitler took Austria and the Sudetenland and whatever, and then that ended in the Great World War II and the Holocaust.
01:08:26.000And they're trying to compare that to.
01:08:28.000By calling them Islamo fascists, and that's supposed to conjure up the sort of analogy that Muslims are expanding, and if we keep appeasing them like Obama does, then they're going to do another Holocaust and they're going to do another world war.
01:14:34.000He didn't seem able to separate his beef with the Jewish lobby from his opinions of the state of Israel.
01:14:40.000That's because largely one in the same.
01:14:43.000You know, if you really want to get down to it, I understand there's a lot of overlap, but many of his claims weren't reflective of the world as is.
01:14:49.000Oh, okay, but Islamofascism is about policy towards Israel.
01:14:54.000They have to realize that the Jews in the U.S. control the entire information, propaganda machine, large newspapers, motion pictures.
01:15:11.000In the first part of the debate, I'm like, oh, here's an example.
01:15:16.000In April 2017, the U.M. ambassador and State Department articulated a new Trump admin policy about not pursuing regime change in Syria, and Israel did it in spite of that.
01:15:26.000Oh, but that's an emotional and nonfactual argument.
01:15:28.000It's factual to reply to that and say, but Islamofascism, right?
01:19:35.000Nathaniel says Barnes keeps asking about the five times USA to Muslim countries, but that's just the US buying the loyalty of Arab countries.
01:19:43.000Yeah, we went over that, but that's not even true.
01:20:06.000Nathaniel says, Islamofascism might be a somewhat serious concern in the short term, but the writing's on the wall in terms of the internal decline and apostasy of trad Islam among next gen Muslims in the Middle East.
01:20:18.000We will all live to see Islamic hegemony crumble.
01:20:41.000Justin KG says, Islamofascism is such a threat that American consumers pay close to $12 billion in taxes annually to have our food kosher certified.
01:25:13.000So, if I tweeted that out, that would totally play into their hands, and they would say, Look, he's quoting Ilhan Omar, the Democrat squad.
01:25:22.000Even though it's hilarious, even though it's so funny.
01:25:36.000I love when Trump says things like that when he's quoting, because he'll quote people.
01:25:42.000And, like, in that instance, he's reading a quote from Ilhan Omar.
01:25:45.000And it's like, you wish he was saying that for real.
01:25:47.000You wish Donald Trump would get up at a rally in front of thousands of Trump supporters and say, May Allah awaken the people so that they may see the evil doings of Israel and the United States.
01:26:44.000Fire Skull says, Barnes many times was bringing up that Israel represented American values.
01:26:50.000I was waiting for you to bring up that these American values are globo homo and that we blow up these countries hand in hand with them just to hoist the gay flag.
01:26:57.000Well, what he was saying was like tolerance for religious and ethnic minorities, was what he meant, which is like liberal values.
01:27:05.000And basically, my point was really neither here nor there.
01:27:10.000It's like their interests are self serving, their interests are their own.
01:27:15.000You know, I mean, whether they support Western values nominally, we could argue about what Western values are.
01:27:20.000Ultimately, that's really outside the scope of the debate.
01:27:39.000Hickory Jims, his thank you, Nick, for defending the prophet Jesus, excuse me, son of God and God himself, and our traditional Islamo Christian values against the Judeo fascist threat in the Middle East.
01:31:31.000So, what you're saying really has no basis in reality.
01:31:34.000The idea that there's this like Muslim conquest of Europe Muslims are immigrating into Europe because European countries won't protect their borders.
01:31:43.000And Muslims are fleeing these places because they're being destroyed by America.
01:32:06.000America trying to go to war over the South China Sea or Taiwan or something?
01:32:10.000America trying to go to war with every country in the world?
01:32:13.000The only legitimate national security interest that America has that'd be worth fighting a war over elsewhere is defense and maybe nuclear proliferation and these like rogue nuclear states.
01:32:27.000And maybe state sponsorship of terrorism, which is nil, you know, with the exception of ISIS, and that's sponsored by like Saudi Arabia and Israel.
01:32:38.000You're not living in reality, my friend.
01:32:41.000If we become isolationist, what does that mean?
01:32:43.000If we stop invading Iraq and Afghanistan, if we stop saber rattling with the world's great powers like Russia and China, then there'd be World War III.
01:32:55.000If we weren't intervening at all times, you know, Russia might annex the Donbass.
01:33:01.000Which would have world altering consequences.
01:33:04.000And China might annex Taiwan and build artificial lights in the South China Sea.
01:34:12.000Slade says I think that most of the support for Israel from Christian Americans comes from this idea that the Bible tells them to and has little to do with geopolitics.
01:34:22.000What are your thoughts about this and why do American Christians typically believe this?
01:34:26.000Well, it's American Protestants that have this millenarian view of the end times, which is that Israel, this Jewish state of Israel, Will play an important role in like the rapture and Armageddon and all of this, which I just don't believe.
01:34:44.000That's not a Catholic interpretation of the Bible.
01:34:48.000So you're right, it is largely a religious thing and not a geopolitical thing.
01:34:52.000Although a lot of people believe the geopolitical stuff too.
01:34:57.000Falcons, as Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet of God born from the Virgin Mary, also in the second coming and miracles, bringing the dead to life, curing blind lepers.
01:35:06.000They do not believe you as God or a son of God.
01:35:31.000Beardson Smith says, Barn's biggest failure, in my opinion, was when he said that Islamic control of the area would hurt Middle Eastern Christians.
01:35:39.000In reality, if you ask any Middle Eastern Christian which side they are on, it isn't Israel.
01:37:58.000Nate says, you're right about his foreign aid stat being BS.
01:38:01.000Given those countries are allies, we bought their peace.
01:38:04.000But I think pointing out that we spent $5 to $10 trillion fighting these Zionist wars would end that part of the debate instantly.
01:38:11.000That's true, but that's a little bit more contentious because then that turns into a debate about, well, you know, then you're debating that Israel got us to war in those countries and that it served their interest.
01:38:24.000You don't need to do that to show that Israel, by far and away, gets more foreign aid than any other country and all other countries combined, you know, so.
01:38:32.000Why go for something contentious when you could go for something solid?
01:39:54.000Because I know, and the only reason I say that, normally I would just give him a hard time, but I know that if I say that and I don't clarify, people will say, oh, Trey's Jewish and Nick is hanging out with him.
01:40:07.000Wow, so America first, more like Jewish first.
01:40:12.000That's a joke that we can make as sort of like an inside joke, but it's also one that if I say it, then people are going to be like, oh, really?
01:41:29.000May Allah awaken the people to the sussy doings of trade politics.
01:41:35.000Virgin Larry, this is so funny seeing you word for word repeat the same arguments you used on other debates and still not hearing a valid counterpoint.
01:41:43.000It's only a matter of time before Zog updates the propaganda machine to address these arguments with more disingenuous misdirection.
01:41:50.000We just need to stay ahead of the curve.
01:42:33.000I was going to say, excuse me, BB Netanyahu himself went to Congress to testify about WMDs.
01:42:40.000The Washington Post reported Israeli officials pushing us to invade, and John Kerry says Netanyahu, as a private citizen, supported the invasion.
01:42:47.000They literally gave us false intelligence to bolster the case for the invasion.
01:42:52.000And it was Jewish neocons in the DOD, Office of Special Plans, State Department, Pentagon that pushed it too.
01:42:58.000And, and, American Enterprise Institute, National Review, you know, and all the other major neocon publications, Project for a New American Century, and it goes on and on.
01:43:10.000Pelio says, You either gave Barnes a flare up of cognitive dissonance or he was sweating trying to give an appropriate answer that his Jewish overlords would approve of.