America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - January 14, 2022


Vaush vs EMJ | America First Ep. 934Vaush vs EMJ | America First Ep. 934

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porn addiction pornography and masturbation pornography exploitation rights rape statistics pornography abuse regulation afpac.events
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Nicholas J. Fuentes
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E. Michael Jones Vosch Elijah Schaefer Nick Fuentes Hitler Stalin Bezos Anti-Bullying Agency Jay Grimes Killstream Monster Cozy Karatakos Eustace Robert Barnes Ian Kaczynski Super Chats Danielle Smith Zero Kev Fat Ian AugieRFC Giorgio and 13 more
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In this episode, the boys discuss pornography and the Nazi's obsession with it. They discuss the effects of pornography on the brain, and whether or not porn should be legalized in the United States. They also debate whether masturbation should be legalized in America, and if it should be at all. Also, they discuss the dangers of pornography and masturbation in general, and why they should be banned in the U.S. This episode was produced and edited by Riley Bray. Additional editing was made by Annie-Rose Strasser and Alex Blumberg. Our theme song was written and performed by Micah Vellian and our ad music was provided by Mark Phillips. Additional music was mixed and produced by Matthew Boll and Matthew Boll. Special thanks to our sponsor, Vevolution, for producing the music and editing. The show was mixed by Patrick Muldowney and mixed by Ben Koppel. Music by Bobby Lord and Mark Boll. Additional music written by Christian Blanchard. Art: Mackenzie Moore Music: Hayden Coplen Editor: Matthew Boll Additional mixing and mastering by Patrick McElroy Jeff Perla Thanks to David Kwan and Ben Kolden - the production of the theme song for this episode was done by Haley Shaw . and the music used in the ad music is by Mark Boll and the sound design and score is by Ian McLeod , and the mixing and mixing is done by Mark McElton (credited to our theme song is by Matthew McElore by Jeff Perlan in this episode's music is courtesy of the band, and the beat by the band Mr. and is by for the music was produced by , by ) and , with additional mixing and editing and mastering by his band, on this episode is , courtesy of thanks to asmr_ & , the music is by our editor, and our editor is at which is . . of , our editor and ) with thanks to the excellent thank you, , we are , & szn_ and his amazing , , or edited by ), and ), this is ? and they are to thank you for

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00:00:00.000 Until Hitler came. 0.95
00:00:00.000 Which was bad. 0.95
00:00:13.000 Basically, by complaining about the decadence that had been spread throughout Germany during the 1920s.
00:00:18.000 Let's go!
00:00:18.000 That was a reaction, and then they had the same react- After Hitler was completely defeated, they had the same reaction- Hitler was never defeated!
00:00:26.000 No, kidding, kidding!
00:00:26.000 That's a joke.
00:00:27.000 I think in retrospect, the Germans find the Nazi thing more regrettable than the pornography thing.
00:00:42.000 Yeah, I don't think Americans promoted pornography in Germany during the occupation after the war.
00:00:47.000 It just happened because people like porn.
00:00:50.000 No, no, no, nothing just happened.
00:00:52.000 Nothing just happened in Germany after war.
00:00:54.000 In order to have a magazine, a book, a TV show, a movie, you had to get a license.
00:00:59.000 You had a license from an official of the American government.
00:01:02.000 So nothing just happened in Germany.
00:01:05.000 People printed
00:01:08.000 First of all, there is no evidence of what you just said.
00:01:11.000 And secondly, it is exactly the situation that nothing got printed in Germany without the permission of the Americans.
00:01:18.000 And if they allowed it, it meant they promoted it.
00:01:21.000 Why shouldn't they have allowed it?
00:01:41.000 The only reason the American government is relevant here at all is because their position on pornography is being contrasted with the Nazis.
00:01:51.000 In the Weimar Republic, they did print pornography. 0.85
00:01:53.000 So what you're telling me right now is that you would have sided with the Nazis, that you would have been in West Germany like a stodgy old fart, you know, with your arms crossed going, you know, well, they may have killed 6 million Jews, but 0.98
00:02:06.000 You know, at least the Nazis had the right idea about not letting people draw pictures of boobs on pieces of paper. 1.00
00:02:13.000 Like, the only reason the Americans introduced it is because the prior government was the Nazi government.
00:02:18.000 I mean, they introduced everything.
00:02:20.000 So you admit they did introduce it?
00:02:21.000 So you admit that they did introduce it?
00:02:23.000 When I put up finger quotes when I said introduced.
00:02:26.000 So you do until you're challenged and then you don't?
00:02:29.000 No, finger quotes mean that I'm being sarcastic.
00:02:32.000 I love how it's like, wait, so you agree with radical Islam? 0.98
00:02:36.000 Wait, so you agree with the Nazis? 0.94
00:02:41.000 I hate to do this, but we have a lot of questions. 0.84
00:02:46.000 JPG says, besides from sexualizing everything, I'll be ignoring the studied effects of porn on the brainwash.
00:02:52.000 It's worse than most drugs out there.
00:02:54.000 I'm an ex-addict.
00:02:57.000 Uh, no.
00:02:58.000 You're lying.
00:02:59.000 If you think that the effects of porn on the brain are in any way chemically comparable to the use of drug abuse, no, you're making that up.
00:03:09.000 Porn addiction can correspond to dopamine withdrawals and overstimulation and resistance to future stimuli, the same as
00:03:20.000 Interesting.
00:03:34.000 This pattern of behavior is just a flaw in the human brain.
00:03:38.000 We're just weak, you know?
00:03:40.000 The Chad move here is to overcome that weakness with self-control and discipline, not by projecting your negative experiences onto the thing that you have the bad relationship with.
00:03:53.000 Yeah, really, really disciplined person exercising self-control. 0.98
00:03:56.000 Since Vaush's anal brain only responds to previous data, I recommend you search, quote, your brain on porn, unquote. 0.94
00:04:02.000 He's a perfect picture of discipline and self-control and self-mastery, right? 0.97
00:04:05.000 I do find it funny that the idea that I am influenced by evidence is some kind of date at me. 0.99
00:04:11.000 Morbidly obese, greasy, child porn consumer. 0.98
00:04:12.000 I thought we were supposed to be preserving the light of Western civilization here, boys. 0.99
00:04:15.000 You know, empiricism was an Enlightenment thing.
00:04:19.000 Yeah, I'm familiar with what you're looking at.
00:04:22.000 There's been a lot of research on quote-unquote porn addiction, and I'm saying quote-unquote there because, again, it really just seems to be the same as the kind of
00:04:30.000 Unbelievable!
00:04:30.000 Hilarious dude.
00:04:58.000 I don't
00:05:08.000 It's just an unimaginable amount of data, like all nudity, and you'd have to ban it and other things.
00:05:13.000 You'd turn us into China. 0.74
00:05:14.000 No, I reject it. 1.00
00:05:15.000 I reject this Chinese bullshit. 1.00
00:05:18.000 Yeah, because you're a fucking CIA agent, you fake AMI6. 1.00
00:05:20.000 Yeah, that's preposterous. 1.00
00:05:37.000 You're flying in the face of reality, as Vosch does all the time here. 0.95
00:05:42.000 They're simply not talking about the reality of masturbation, which leads to isolation.
00:05:47.000 It doesn't lead to communion with the opposite sex.
00:05:50.000 The whole point of a successful life is making some type of connection with the opposite sex. 0.99
00:05:56.000 Getting married, starting a family, having children. 0.98
00:06:00.000 Pornography and masturbation prevent that from happening, so therefore it's bad. 0.99
00:06:05.000 This is Mr. Monk. 0.99
00:06:06.000 Can I ask one quick question of Dr. Jones?
00:06:09.000 It's pithy.
00:06:10.000 No.
00:06:11.000 Gosh, I do want to move on.
00:06:14.000 To be fair, Dr. Jones did say he wanted to do a lot of questions to get the audience involved, so I do want to jump.
00:06:19.000 Mr. Monster says, well, so this one is for you.
00:06:21.000 Huh?
00:06:21.000 That's what I like about you.
00:06:24.000 This one coming in from Mr. Monster says, Dr. Jones, but do you think it's healthy to repress natural feelings and thoughts if you're going to disown masturbation and pornography?
00:06:35.000 You're not repressing natural feelings, you're repressing unnatural feelings and channeling them toward a goal that will lead to a happy outcome in life.
00:06:46.000 I'm promoting the interaction between the sexes, which is precisely what masturbation and pornography inhibit.
00:06:53.000 I don't know why that's so difficult to understand.
00:06:56.000 The people in this generation have failed to start families.
00:07:00.000 They've failed to embark upon life for two main reasons.
00:07:04.000 It's pornography and student loan debt.
00:07:07.000 I'm proposing a way out of that, which does involve, by the way, self-control.
00:07:12.000 Yeah, I agree with that.
00:07:13.000 This one coming in from Bezos Anti-Bullying Agency says, acting like porn desensitization doesn't exist is outright dangerous and harmful to young society, Vosh.
00:07:26.000 I'm terribly sorry.
00:07:26.000 Could you repeat that question for me?
00:07:28.000 You bet.
00:07:28.000 They said, acting like porn desensitization doesn't exist is outright dangerous and harmful to young society.
00:07:35.000 I think I've acknowledged that it exists plenty of times, both in the Q&A and in the conversation beforehand.
00:07:40.000 I just don't think that it's a uniquely harmful force outside of the desensitization that we experience with plenty of other things. 1.00
00:07:51.000 Everything that, like, him and Destiny say is just, like, pretending to be a fucking idiot. 1.00
00:07:57.000 Well, porn is just as bad as anything. 1.00
00:08:00.000 It might be a little bit worse, but people get addicted to video games.
00:08:05.000 It's like, really?
00:08:06.000 Being addicted to video games is the same as being addicted to porn?
00:08:09.000 What about being addicted to drugs?
00:08:11.000 Is that the same as being addicted to M&M's?
00:08:15.000 No, it's you.
00:08:20.000 You're doing this.
00:08:22.000 You're having it done to yourself, you know?
00:08:24.000 And if there are issues, you know, and you can find them across the board, tons of different mediums, not just pornography, but if there are issues, that's your responsibility to take care of it.
00:08:32.000 I've had issues with like video game addiction kind of, and I pulled back on that.
00:08:37.000 It's a process of will.
00:08:39.000 Humans are fallible.
00:08:40.000 It's just a matter of working towards self betterment, a constant
00:08:43.000 Well, maybe you would.
00:08:45.000 Maybe you would.
00:09:00.000 We'll move into the next one.
00:09:01.000 This one coming from TheNecroKrat says, Dr. Jones, have you heard of Dr. Alden's theory on how porn is harmful?
00:09:09.000 I have a feeling, let's see, you maybe haven't.
00:09:12.000 Maybe an obscure researcher.
00:09:13.000 This one coming in from Bezos's Anti-Bullying Agency says, does Vosh at least concede free porn sites should have age restrictions to prevent young children from using their services? 0.98
00:09:27.000 HE WANTS HIS CHILD PORN!
00:09:29.000 OF COURSE HE DOESN'T THINK THAT! 1.00
00:09:30.000 Yeah, he thinks they should be in the porn because he's a pedophile. 0.96
00:09:44.000 I don't know how well those work. 0.89
00:09:45.000 Like, if your kid's super tech-savvy... I don't know how that works.
00:09:48.000 He's just such a fucking fake. 1.00
00:09:49.000 Let's go! 1.00
00:09:49.000 Debate me, fat retard! 1.00
00:09:49.000 Because I think it's an important issue. 1.00
00:09:50.000 And apparently there's still people out there willing to defend it.
00:10:12.000 And then, Vosch, on whether or not you'll debate Nick Fuentes.
00:10:14.000 Let's go!
00:10:35.000 It's been two years I've just said email me it's no it's this is just it listen if the at the end of the day like what you want is he calls and he calls me like fat and then I say virgin and then we both hang up okay it's really boring all right at this point this is literally just about like
00:10:53.000 Really? 0.99
00:10:54.000 We've sent the email, dipshit! 0.99
00:10:56.000 We've sent the email! 0.99
00:10:57.000 We tried to get it together on Elijah!
00:10:58.000 We tried to get it together with Auggie!
00:11:01.000 We tried to get it together through three different moderators! 1.00
00:11:06.000 What a fucking fat coward! 1.00
00:11:19.000 It violates the natural law which is more grave than a violation of justice. 1.00
00:11:24.000 Here, here.
00:11:24.000 I'll say this.
00:11:25.000 I'll say this right now.
00:11:27.000 Vosh, Fat Ian, I will debate you on any topic on Elijah Schaefer's show on The Blaze.
00:11:35.000 I believe they will pay you money to do this.
00:11:37.000 They will pay you money.
00:11:39.000 I'll debate on Elijah's show.
00:11:42.000 I will debate on the Killstream.
00:11:44.000 I'll debate on AugieRFC's channel.
00:11:47.000 I will debate you with the moderator on a topic of your choosing.
00:11:51.000 We could debate what you want.
00:11:53.000 We could debate mass immigration.
00:11:55.000 We could debate tech censorship.
00:11:57.000 We could debate COVID, lockdown,
00:12:01.000 Race will debate.
00:12:03.000 But that's the challenge.
00:12:05.000 You're challenged.
00:12:06.000 We sent the emails.
00:12:07.000 You didn't reply.
00:12:09.000 It's like watching paint dry.
00:12:10.000 It would be boring.
00:12:11.000 No.
00:12:12.000 Let's have a serious debate.
00:12:14.000 I've debated Dave Smith, Robert Barnes, Sticks, Hex and Hammer just this year and none of it was ad hominem.
00:12:23.000 So the gauntlet's been thrown down.
00:12:25.000 The concept of debate.
00:12:27.000 Jones, do you want to just put them up sometime?
00:12:29.000 We can go boxing. 0.91
00:12:31.000 I can pulverize your skeleton. 0.91
00:12:33.000 Like, what are you talking about?
00:12:35.000 Like, adherence to the national order?
00:12:37.000 You know that, like, back in the good old days, we would just hit each other with rocks, right?
00:12:41.000 And I guarantee you I can lift a bigger one than you.
00:12:43.000 This deference, and it's always the weakest people who defer to it, by the way.
00:12:47.000 The only reason that you weren't cast out from the tribe and left to be eaten by wolves for your degenerate anti-Semitism is because modern civilization coddles you like the infant that you are.
00:12:57.000 The idea that you of all people would be relying on
00:12:59.000 on this. 0.97
00:13:00.000 Oh, well, rape is more. 1.00
00:13:01.000 No, rape isn't more anything than anything. 1.00
00:13:03.000 Okay, shut the fuck up. 1.00
00:13:05.000 This one coming in from Jay Grimes. 1.00
00:13:07.000 That's your comment on debate.
00:13:09.000 Got a bigger rock than you, Jones.
00:13:13.000 This one coming in from Jay Grimes.
00:13:14.000 Dr. Jones, what does your view of sexual liberation mean for LGBT rights?
00:13:23.000 Sexual liberation
00:13:27.000 Degenerate anti-Semitism.
00:13:28.000 Who's getting clean from the pack of wolves other than the other?
00:13:50.000 This one coming in from ThanksHake for your support.
00:13:53.000 Oh, TheHakeReport says, click like, everybody.
00:13:55.000 Thanks for your support.
00:13:56.000 And SilentShout says, Vosh, if you're a Marxist, why are you defending oligarchs, student loans, debt, and women's sexual exploitation through pornography?
00:14:06.000 Good question.
00:14:07.000 Nosball?
00:14:08.000 Well, first of all, I only consume furry pornography drawn by poor college students, so I don't know what you mean by oligarchs.
00:14:16.000 Uh, exploitation of women, same point addressed.
00:14:18.000 What are you, what are you talking about?
00:14:19.000 You realize that from a Marxist perspective- Women aren't exploited by porn!
00:14:23.000 Men are exploited by porn!
00:14:24.000 Women, women, I mean, yeah, okay, they're being taken advantage of, but they're taking advantage too. 1.00
00:14:29.000 What else?
00:14:29.000 Are you food?
00:14:30.000 Yeah, well, farming's- You know, when girls make it only fans, and they're raking in the cash every month, and men are being subjected to that? 0.99
00:14:37.000 Yeah, who's really being taken advantage of?
00:14:40.000 Because, and this is historically true, uh, illegalizing prostitution and pornography
00:14:40.000 Please.
00:14:45.000 Do not stop women from being abused in those industries.
00:14:48.000 Makes things worse, actually.
00:14:51.000 There are ways to solve these problems, but don't pretend that you care about women's rights. 1.00
00:14:55.000 Like, come on.
00:14:56.000 True.
00:14:56.000 We don't care about women's rights.
00:14:57.000 Oh yeah, you want to ban porn because you're so concerned with women's rights. 1.00
00:14:59.000 Come on.
00:15:00.000 I never made that argument.
00:15:00.000 True.
00:15:01.000 I never made that argument.
00:15:02.000 You really think anyone here is going to buy that?
00:15:04.000 Like, that's what you're concerned with?
00:15:06.000 This one from Giorgio says, Vosch said economics is the reason for current isolation.
00:15:11.000 Dr. Jones has previously talked about Foucault changing leftist politics to sex instead of economics.
00:15:18.000 Can he elaborate more on this?
00:15:21.000 Yeah, this is the default position.
00:15:23.000 It's basically Vosch's position, even though he doesn't really understand it.
00:15:28.000 Basically, the left disintegrated
00:15:32.000 Look at how weak his chin is.
00:15:33.000 That's why he has a beard. 1.00
00:15:34.000 He looks like a fucking fish. 1.00
00:15:35.000 Right? 1.00
00:15:35.000 You ever see that picture of him when he was young? 1.00
00:15:38.000 He has no chin.
00:15:38.000 He has a chin.
00:15:55.000 Taking over the economic production to the culture and to sexuality. 0.84
00:16:02.000 That's precisely the deal that Foucault did with the ruling class.
00:16:06.000 He did it at Berkeley.
00:16:08.000 He was a teacher at Berkeley.
00:16:09.000 He had an epiphany and basically what happened is that he came up with shifting liberation away from economic liberation towards sexual liberation.
00:16:20.000 All right.
00:16:31.000 And basically you had the homosexuals in San Francisco converting to economic libertarianism, and that became pretty much the default setting for the United States after that. 0.97
00:16:44.000 It's basically sexual liberation, left-wing sexual liberation combined with right-wing control of the oligarchs' control of the economy. 1.00
00:16:54.000 Karatakos Eustace says, Dr. Jones is right.
00:16:58.000 Most incels have been porn obsessed.
00:17:01.000 And also, the more sexual partners you have, the less likely you have to maintain a stable marriage.
00:17:09.000 I'm a pure incel.
00:17:10.000 Actually, I've taken a look at that data. 0.99
00:17:12.000 First of all, yeah, no shit. 0.99
00:17:13.000 Most incels have had problems with pornography. 0.99
00:17:15.000 That's kind of tautological, don't you think?
00:17:17.000 I mean, you're kind of selecting for the group there.
00:17:20.000 It's like saying most people with porn problems have porn problems.
00:17:22.000 I mean, yeah.
00:17:24.000 In terms of fewer sexual partners leading to a decreased likelihood of marriage, actually, that data is largely untrue.
00:17:30.000 Are you referring to the Black Pigeon Speaks video, I think it was?
00:17:33.000 There was a counter video to that.
00:17:35.000 I don't know who did it, but the data on that was literally done by some amateur researcher who wanted to post-talk justify his perspectives.
00:17:41.000 It wasn't real research.
00:17:44.000 The problem was that they were counting in the sexual partners had from people who were previously married, but then no longer were, meaning that you were adding to the perceived, uh, you know, sexual immorality of people who had already experienced marriage.
00:17:59.000 The data was just really wonky.
00:18:00.000 I don't know if there's been any substantive data on that.
00:18:03.000 Like, not really.
00:18:04.000 There were also confounding variables to take into account and don't, hey, and by the way, if there are any people watching Rolling the Rise of this, okay.
00:18:10.000 Do not make sociological claims if you're not ready to hold your standards to sociological standards, okay?
00:18:14.000 So, you would also need to do aggressive analysis while taking into account a bunch of other factors.
00:18:20.000 Younger people are more likely to have more sexual partners relative to their age, because people are more sexually liberated now, and young people are also less likely to get married.
00:18:28.000 You also have to correspond this to different levels of marriage in rural versus urban areas, because urban people tend to have more sex, but rural people tend to marry younger.
00:18:36.000 There are tons of things that correlate to this.
00:18:38.000 It's not just sexual partners.
00:18:39.000 That's the reason why there's no strong research on this.
00:18:42.000 It's very complicated.
00:18:43.000 You got it, and thank you very much for this question.
00:18:45.000 Coming in from DoAppreciateIt, Morgan Cody says, Vosh, can you quickly explain how porn is protected as free speech in particular?
00:18:53.000 These so-called warriors seem to think freedom of speech is supposed to only protect speech they like.
00:19:00.000 Oh, it's the line for defining like pornography.
00:19:03.000 First of all, it'd be really muddy.
00:19:05.000 Just like a video, like a movie in which a person is topless count.
00:19:08.000 Earlier, Dr. Jones was talking about people showing their ankles.
00:19:11.000 I mean, where does that line go?
00:19:14.000 What about material in which people are fully clothed, but the clothing is wet?
00:19:17.000 What about material in which people are fully clothed and the clothing is dry, but the clothing is tight?
00:19:21.000 I mean, like,
00:19:22.000 Banned.
00:19:22.000 Banned.
00:19:23.000 Here's a good standard.
00:19:24.000 If in doubt, banned.
00:19:24.000 I want to be on the council.
00:19:45.000 How could you grant me the rank of... How could you put me on the council and not make me a minister?
00:19:51.000 Because...
00:20:08.000 Internet is very difficult to control.
00:20:12.000 That's part of the problem.
00:20:13.000 And if everyone else has access to internet pornography, it will be easy for people in those countries to have access to it.
00:20:21.000 This is not something that some type of individual can solve on his own.
00:20:28.000 You can solve the problem by simply avoiding pornography.
00:20:32.000 Okay?
00:20:32.000 That will solve that problem.
00:20:34.000 It will lose it.
00:20:35.000 It will free your mind.
00:20:37.000 It will allow you to interact with members of the opposite sex and it will lead you to allow you to have a successful life.
00:20:43.000 But the problem here is why should someone be given the right to constantly trip you up?
00:20:49.000 Why should someone be given the right to constantly pander to your desires in a way?
00:20:57.000 Because we all have this weakness.
00:20:59.000 Everybody knows we have a weakness when it comes to human sexuality.
00:21:02.000 Who gave these the right?
00:21:04.000 Who gave these people the right?
00:21:05.000 You're projecting, man.
00:21:07.000 Who gave these people the right to exploit that weakness for financial gain?
00:21:11.000 That's the main issue here.
00:21:13.000 And our friend is avoiding that issue.
00:21:15.000 This one from LaughingMyAssoff says, Does Vosch not know what stance the Soviets held with regard to porn?
00:21:22.000 They banned it. 0.99
00:21:23.000 What the fuck do you think I have to do with the Soviets? 0.99
00:21:26.000 They would have sent me straight to the gulags. 0.99
00:21:29.000 You know what Lenin did to the anarchists?
00:21:30.000 Let's go!
00:21:31.000 Let's go! 0.99
00:21:33.000 Dude, if Stalin could kill Vosch... Ugh! 0.85
00:21:37.000 Do you know what Stalin would have done? 0.73
00:21:38.000 I don't care what Stalin would have done.
00:21:40.000 He would have lined him up right alongside other people I disagree with, if given the chance.
00:21:46.000 And point them out, say that I dislike them.
00:21:49.000 Zero Kev asks, Vaush, porn is actually leading to people having less and less sex than in previous decades.
00:21:55.000 I think you mentioned earlier that people are actually having more sex, so maybe you disagree with that.
00:22:00.000 They say also, well, I'll let you first respond to that, it's a two-parter.
00:22:04.000 People I think are having more sexual partners when they're young,
00:22:07.000 Relative to their age now.
00:22:09.000 I don't 0.62
00:22:38.000 Disinterested in fucking I promise you okay, they're always stressed out stressed out because life is expensive They don't have the time or the money to do the things they want and hanging out with people cost money, too You know, I mean you can go to a park but most people go out for food or whatever and that can be like a day's work Life is hard right now You know 0.97
00:23:00.000 I don't think the research shows that. 0.99
00:23:01.000 And just this is my anecdotal experience, but looking at porn has never made me want to fuck people less. 0.99
00:23:07.000 It's made me want to fuck people more. 0.99
00:23:09.000 Whenever I looked at porn, my thought was like, oh, that's cool. 0.99
00:23:12.000 Yeah, I should like go on Tinder, you know, like, oh, wow, that's cool.
00:23:15.000 Like my experience with it has not been like, you know, oh, now I don't need to.
00:23:21.000 But the stress of college... Boring!
00:23:24.000 Boring!
00:23:25.000 Bored!
00:23:26.000 I think that's the bigger cause, personally.
00:23:31.000 Who cares?
00:23:38.000 Mainstream recorded pornography is pretty degrading to women. 0.83
00:23:43.000 But people were pretty degrading to women before the pornography. 1.00
00:23:46.000 What a fucking stupid argument. 1.00
00:23:47.000 So I think that's more a reflection of people's tastes. 1.00
00:23:50.000 Then it is the porn industry making people misogynistic.
00:23:54.000 I think the issue here is like, you know, those tastes existed and have existed for a long time and that needs to be worked on, but they would be there without the porn.
00:24:03.000 This from Just Call Me Oscar says, Dr. Jones, would you prefer to forbid porn at the federal level or reverse the 14th amendment and allow the states to decide?
00:24:15.000 If you make me king of the United States, I will make that decision.
00:24:19.000 No, I think that the laws should be, there are obscenity laws already on the books, they should be enforced.
00:24:25.000 They will be enforced at a local level.
00:24:27.000 That's, I think what we're seeing in the United States is a reversion to local autonomy, local hegemony over local culture.
00:24:38.000 I think abortion is an example of this.
00:24:41.000 I think it's going to be returned to the states.
00:24:43.000 I think abortion is similar to what we're talking about here with pornography and the worldview that our friend here is espousing.
00:24:51.000 It's the Hollywood worldview.
00:24:52.000 It's the Hollywood privileged worldview where basically they want to rule the entire world according to their twisted standards.
00:25:02.000 That basically was enforced by the Supreme Court and now we're seeing the Supreme Court is backing away from that and we're going to see the rise of regional culture and it'll ban abortion and I think it's also going to ban pornography as well.
00:25:18.000 Gotcha.
00:25:18.000 And this one from Daily Veracity says, Vosh, rape has absolutely gone up over the past 60 years.
00:25:25.000 In 1950, it was approximately 8 per 100,000, and today it's 29 per 100,000, a threefold increase.
00:25:33.000 You're starting from the decade of recorded crime or record crime.
00:25:38.000 They say you're starting from the decade of record crime, the 90s, which is disingenuous.
00:25:44.000 I started from the 70s.
00:25:46.000 Which were not a decade of record crime.
00:25:48.000 Um, no, I guess I'd have to depend on your chart.
00:25:52.000 I mean, I was pulling that from a government source.
00:25:54.000 There are probably some statistical sources that might have contrary numbers, but I got to wonder how much they're, how much they're factoring in other confounding variables, like the reporting rate.
00:26:08.000 So I'd be willing to bet that reported rapes have gone up massively over the past century.
00:26:16.000 But I don't think that's because rape has gotten more common.
00:26:19.000 I think that's because in 1926, if a dame walked to the local station and said she'd been raped, the cops would beat her to death and then find her husband. 0.91
00:26:30.000 I feel like there are other factors at play there.
00:26:33.000 Nine out of 100,000 from a century ago sounds like comically low to me.
00:26:39.000 Um, yeah, I mean, there are probably different sources, but I trust, I think it's gone down.
00:26:44.000 This one, One Man's Chorus says, Vosh, the difference between sex in private and porn is that porn is meant for public consumption.
00:26:44.000 Yeah.
00:26:52.000 It's an example for other people to follow.
00:26:55.000 Showing sex is a non-moral context encourages people to treat it that way.
00:27:01.000 I don't know what you mean by moral context.
00:27:04.000 We know that!
00:27:05.000 We know that!
00:27:06.000 I know, but you don't either because you failed utterly to explain it and Christ is frowning on you from his cloud.
00:27:11.000 Oh, please. 0.93
00:27:12.000 Look, sex is a mechanical act, okay?
00:27:14.000 It's a physical thing that you can do. 0.90
00:27:16.000 I love how he keeps jumping in with the humiliation.
00:27:18.000 Some people are good at it, some people are bad at it.
00:27:21.000 I don't know what morality is!
00:27:22.000 We know!
00:27:23.000 We know!
00:27:24.000 Which I guess is more fun than playing tennis against a wall.
00:27:28.000 But this context of moral acts,
00:27:31.000 If you look at tits online, like, I don't understand what moral, when I think of ethics, I think of like the system by which you assess whether something is harmful or not harmful.
00:27:40.000 And I just utterly failed to demonstrate the issue here, you know?
00:27:44.000 No, we didn't.
00:27:46.000 No, we didn't.
00:27:47.000 Every time we demonstrate it, you ignore it.
00:27:50.000 Go ahead.
00:27:50.000 Next question.
00:27:52.000 This one coming in from KansasZoomer says the stance Vosh is referring to for the Middle Ages rape included arranged marriages.
00:28:01.000 This is pretty disingenuous.
00:28:03.000 Does Vosh read his own sources?
00:28:05.000 I haven't provided any sources on the Middle Ages, so I don't know.
00:28:09.000 First of all, I think you could argue that arranged marriages are in many cases rape, but I actually didn't name any sources.
00:28:15.000 You can't debug my sources because I don't have any.
00:28:18.000 I don't know if they just heard me say it and they were just like ready to go.
00:28:20.000 But I'm also
00:28:41.000 Historians have a way of pulling, like, very rough data from those times. 1.00
00:28:45.000 That's so stupid. 0.99
00:28:46.000 Yeah, murder was also much higher. 1.00
00:28:48.000 Murder used to be so common.
00:28:49.000 It's so, so, so rare today.
00:28:52.000 Back in the day, everyone knew a dude who'd, like, been murdered.
00:28:55.000 Like, that was, like, just a thing.
00:28:56.000 Like, you're going down the road and, like, oh, bandits.
00:28:58.000 Whack! 1.00
00:28:58.000 And you just, that's a guy who's been murdered. 1.00
00:29:01.000 Nowadays, that is not the case.
00:29:02.000 Yeah, that doesn't happen now.
00:29:04.000 Gotcha.
00:29:04.000 And last question.
00:29:06.000 This is an interesting one.
00:29:07.000 RH says, question for both.
00:29:09.000 And by the way, we're a few minutes over.
00:29:10.000 So thanks, both Dr. Jones and Vosch.
00:29:12.000 We're kind of going a little bit beyond what we promised.
00:29:15.000 But there have just been so many questions.
00:29:17.000 And also, this is an intriguing one.
00:29:18.000 They say, question for both.
00:29:19.000 What percent of female porn stars are there by choice compared to those that are there not by choice? 1.00
00:29:28.000 This ignores the issue of whether you can engineer consent
00:29:33.000 The whole point of social engineering as it was practiced after World War II in the United States was to engineer consent.
00:29:40.000 You can create an atmosphere in which people will act against their own best interest.
00:29:47.000 That's simply a fact of life and that's what happens with pornography. 0.68
00:29:52.000 You have widespread acceptance of behavior that is against the best interest of the people who engage in it.
00:30:00.000 You got it.
00:30:00.000 And I want to say, folks, thanks so much for spending time... Oh, I think that was for both of us.
00:30:05.000 I just want to jump in.
00:30:06.000 Yeah, go for it.
00:30:07.000 I just think it is a problem, but it is a problem that has gotten better.
00:30:12.000 The more light there is, the more destigmatization there is on the porn and sex industry, the less abuse there will be.
00:30:17.000 That's the case for basically every industry.
00:30:19.000 We saw this during prohibition and alcohol production and consumption.
00:30:23.000 The more de-stigmatized, accepted, regulated something is, the more legal it is, the less abuse there will be, because everything's above board, everything's in the books, and it's easier for people who are abused to turn to the police without fearing for their own profession, for their, well, their freedom.
00:30:39.000 You've got it.
00:30:40.000 Thank you very much.
00:30:41.000 And I want to say, folks, we really do appreciate our guests, and sorry we did not get to all of the questions.
00:30:45.000 However, if you want to hear more or read more from our guests, they are linked in the description.
00:30:50.000 I'm going to be back with a post-credit scene in just a moment, letting you know about upcoming debates, as we have many juicy debates like this one coming up.
00:30:56.000 But we want to say, most of all, thanks so much.
00:30:58.000 It has been a true pleasure.
00:31:00.000 Vosch and Dr. Jones, we appreciate you spending time with us tonight.
00:31:04.000 Nice to see you again, James.
00:31:04.000 It's been my pleasure.
00:31:06.000 You as well.
00:31:07.000 Thank you.
00:31:08.000 With that, I'll be back in just a moment, folks.
00:31:12.000 Thanks so much, and stick around.
00:31:15.000 Just gonna say just a moment, Phat.
00:31:17.000 All right.
00:31:18.000 Well, that was long.
00:31:22.000 That was like an hour and 40 minutes.
00:31:26.000 Sheesh.
00:31:27.000 Well, that's gonna do it for me on the show.
00:31:30.000 I'll recap a little bit.
00:31:31.000 I don't think we're gonna read Super Chats.
00:31:34.000 I don't think people know I'm doing Super Chats.
00:31:38.000 So if anybody sent Super Chats, I'll just read them tomorrow night.
00:31:41.000 But yeah, honestly, I was pleasantly surprised with the performance of E. Michael Jones.
00:31:47.000 You know, I don't think he's really the finest debater, actually.
00:31:51.000 I think that he's sort of dogmatic and it was not a perfect performance for similar reasons.
00:32:00.000 But I thought he did a very good job.
00:32:02.000 I thought it was a strong performance.
00:32:05.000 And I think he really hit the nail on the head towards the end there when he said, you know, it's this why, how, what, constant interruptions, this infinite regress, you know, and that we're not able to understand anything.
00:32:18.000 And I think that's exactly what these guys are.
00:32:21.000 It's, you know, he said it's sophomoric.
00:32:24.000 That's exactly right.
00:32:25.000 It's vulgar.
00:32:26.000 It's juvenile.
00:32:27.000 These constant interjections, diversions, detours, how, why, what, glib, sort of smarmy, laughing.
00:32:36.000 So, yeah, I thought it was very good.
00:32:37.000 There really wasn't much from Vosch at all in the way of actual arguments.
00:32:43.000 I think that it was, you know, E. Michael Jones really making the argument and Vosch sort of, like, what?
00:32:48.000 Why?
00:32:50.000 How?
00:32:51.000 So, yeah, I thought Jones did very well.
00:32:54.000 I think he could have elaborated a little bit more on
00:32:59.000 We're good to go.
00:33:08.000 You know, the No Nut November thing I think is also weak.
00:33:12.000 I think it's a good compliment, but I don't know that that was an argument in itself.
00:33:16.000 I don't think it was sufficient.
00:33:18.000 So, not to be too picky, but yeah, I thought he did a good job.
00:33:22.000 I thought E. Michael Jones won.
00:33:24.000 I thought Vosch lost.
00:33:26.000 I don't think it was as big of a victory as it could have been, but I thought it was solid.
00:33:30.000 I think he totally destroyed Vosch.
00:33:34.000 So yeah, so it was interesting.
00:33:36.000 Interesting debate.
00:33:37.000 He's just so insufferable, Ian Kuczynski, you know, and you see that it's not just, it's not just two people that disagree.
00:33:48.000 The disagreements are made manifest.
00:33:50.000 Here you've got E. Michael Jones, who's a patriarch, a scholar, educated, respected, an author, respectful, and so on. 0.98
00:33:59.000 And then on the other side, you've just got this fat loser, really, 0.99
00:34:03.000 Fat, juvenile, smug, vulgar, degenerate loser who grooms children and is, is what, polyamorous? 1.00
00:34:13.000 So, you know, it's almost like there's two levels to the debate. 0.99
00:34:16.000 There's a debate itself and then you've got the debate sort of expressing itself through the people, through the people making the arguments.
00:34:26.000 So,
00:34:27.000 You know, so that's always interesting.
00:34:29.000 He lied, though.
00:34:30.000 You know, somebody asked, when are you going to debate Nick Fuentes?
00:34:33.000 And he goes, well, it's been two years.
00:34:34.000 He won't send me an email. 0.76
00:34:36.000 And then he pivots right away to, well, I think he's just going to call me fat.
00:34:39.000 It's like, no.
00:34:41.000 Elijah Schaeffer's team sent him an email.
00:34:43.000 This is documented.
00:34:44.000 Elijah Schaeffer's team at The Blaze, on his show, sent Vosch an email and said, and I gave him his email, and said, hey, would you be down to do a debate with Nick Fuentes?
00:34:55.000 We got no reply.
00:34:56.000 We tried to set it up through Augie, RFC, who knows Vaush?
00:35:00.000 No reply.
00:35:02.000 I believe we tried to set it up through the Killstream as well.
00:35:05.000 No reply.
00:35:06.000 So, that's a lie.
00:35:08.000 That's not true.
00:35:09.000 We have tried to set that debate up through several moderators and, you know, Schaefer even talked at one point about paying Vaush and we both said, oh gosh, we'd hate to pay
00:35:19.000 We've been trying to debate Vaush now for years and he won't do it.
00:35:47.000 I don't know.
00:36:04.000 He just knows he would get destroyed.
00:36:06.000 Not only does he know that he would get destroyed, but he knows that it would be a huge debate, it'd be big publicity for me, everybody would like me, and everybody would watch my show.
00:36:14.000 That's the bottom line.
00:36:16.000 He knows he's going to lose, so he doesn't want to do it, but it's going to happen.
00:36:20.000 So I had to address that.
00:36:20.000 It has to.
00:36:24.000 So the gauntlet's been thrown down.
00:36:27.000 We can debate on any issue.
00:36:30.000 And really, with just about any moderator, any platform,
00:36:35.000 But we'll see if he agrees to that.
00:36:38.000 So, yeah, so that's your porn debate with E. Michael Jones and Vosh. 0.77
00:36:44.000 Pretty good stuff.
00:36:48.000 Yeah, but I think we covered it all.
00:36:49.000 So, that's gonna do it for me tonight.
00:36:51.000 Thanks for watching.
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