America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - Vice Presidential Debate: VANCE VS WALZ

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00:02:00.000 ♪♪ They don't know what they are supporting.

00:02:14.000 They don't know how bad it has gotten.

00:02:18.000 They don't know what is necessary to make the difference.

00:02:23.000 They didn't hear us on Twitter.

00:02:25.000 They didn't hear us on True Social.

00:02:27.000 They just censored the hashtags.

00:02:29.000 They didn't hear us when we emailed them.

00:02:31.000 And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it.

00:02:38.000 For that reason, the Goyper War will continue, and we will accelerate and intensify our plans. 1.00

00:02:47.000 We have to deploy to Michigan, and we have to make it hurt as much as possible.

00:02:55.000 If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first.

00:03:02.000 He must stop the betrayal of America first.

00:03:09.000 My own narrative is not one of some sudden booming bolt of lightning out of the blue.

00:03:16.000 out of the blue.

00:03:17.000 It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.

00:03:32.000 And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.

00:03:39.000 Why are you called Mommy Malcolm?

00:03:42.000 I think it was because I fiercely came out during the Groupers wars of 2019 when so many of these 1.00

00:03:47.000 brave young men were on college campuses challenging the likes of Zio Schill, Dan Crenshaw, questioning

00:03:54.000 him about his undying loyalty and of course defending Nick Fuentes and so many of the stars

00:04:01.000 of the burgeoning America First movement who through an increasing amount of activism are

00:04:07.000 really going to ensure the future and the success of that movement.

00:04:12.000 So, so,

00:04:36.000 so, so,

00:05:01.000 so, Sorry to keep you waiting, complicated business.

00:05:19.000 I'm sorry.

00:05:31.000 Which order do you want me to fight?

00:05:34.000 Which order do you want me to fight with the dice?

00:05:39.000 Which order do you want me to fight?

00:05:59.000 The order you want me to fight?

00:06:01.000 Which order do you want me to fight?

00:06:07.000 We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or the campaign, and I'll let them know.

00:06:18.000 We love Trump.

00:06:20.000 I love Trump.

00:06:21.000 We all love Trump.

00:06:23.000 And if they don't make the course correction, then it's on them.

00:06:28.000 Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.

00:06:39.000 This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged.

00:06:53.000 This is reality.

00:06:55.000 You know it.

00:06:56.000 They know it.

00:06:58.000 I know it.

00:06:59.000 And pretty much the whole world knows it.

00:07:03.000 This is not the Trump campaign from 2016.

00:07:06.000 It's worse.

00:07:09.000 I see this stuff and I have to wonder, why has nobody been fired?

00:07:15.000 Isn't that Trump's trademark?

00:07:18.000 That if results aren't happening that people are, you're fired?

00:07:22.000 Isn't that the whole trademark?

00:07:25.000 Someone needs to be fired. 0.99

00:07:28.000 It happened back in 2016.

00:07:30.000 He went through campaign managers and advisors all the time.

00:07:34.000 And it was good.

00:07:35.000 It kept things fresh.

00:07:36.000 It kept things competitive.

00:07:38.000 It was interesting.

00:07:39.000 Fire Chris LaCivita.

00:07:41.000 Fire Susie Wiles. 0.83

00:07:43.000 Get new campaign managers.

00:07:45.000 Fix this campaign before it's too late.

00:07:48.000 Before we blow it again.

00:07:50.000 We want Trump to win.

00:07:51.000 We want America first.

00:07:53.000 But you are letting us down.

00:07:55.000 You're blowing it.

00:07:56.000 This is the biggest missed opportunity in history.

00:07:59.000 You're blowing it for Trump.

00:08:01.000 You're blowing it for us.

00:08:02.000 And we're not going to let it happen.

00:08:04.000 You have alienated us.

00:08:06.000 You have ignored us.

00:08:08.000 You don't listen to our concerns.

00:08:10.000 We have been left behind.

00:08:12.000 The Trump movement and the GOP have moved on without us.

00:08:16.000 It serves Israel and corporations and immigrants, but it doesn't serve Native Americans.

00:08:22.000 What about Native Americans?

00:08:24.000 I don't want to hear any more about communism.

00:08:27.000 I don't want to hear any more about Vance.

00:08:28.000 I don't want to hear about whatever.

00:08:31.000 And the message is simple.

00:08:34.000 America first.

00:08:35.000 Native Americans.

00:08:38.000 America only.

00:08:39.000 No Israel. 1.00

00:08:40.000 No corporations.

00:08:42.000 No foreign influence.

00:08:44.000 No foreigners. 1.00

00:08:45.000 No immigrants. 1.00

00:08:46.000 None of that.

00:08:48.000 Just America.

00:08:49.000 America first.

00:08:50.000 And Christ the King.

00:08:53.000 So this is a call to all Christians, immigration restrictionists, foreign policy non-interventionists, trade protectionists, those in favor of industrial policy, patriots, nativists, nationalists, non-interventionists, traditionalists, that are not happy with the State of the Trump campaign, you are being recruited. 0.65

00:09:17.000 Trump is a peaceful man.

00:09:18.000 We're declaring war on the evil Trump campaign.

00:09:21.000 He needs to be liberated.

00:09:23.000 We will liberate him.

00:09:25.000 We will make him independent from his donors.

00:09:28.000 We will make him independent from Silicon Valley.

00:09:30.000 We will make him independent from foreign influence. 0.61

00:09:33.000 Otherwise, and if we don't succeed, there's no hope.

00:09:37.000 You're done.

00:09:38.000 If we don't succeed, if this doesn't work, there's no hope. 0.99

00:09:42.000 You either get Kamala, and it's total left-wing oppression, it's total bullshit, BLM nonsense, or if you get Trump, it's gonna be total Zionist corporate domination. 0.99

00:09:54.000 So if we don't succeed, it's over. 0.99

00:09:57.000 You need to get involved in this, or, honestly, just quit.

00:10:02.000 In 2024, we are going to fight the hostile takeover.

00:10:07.000 It's a different battle.

00:10:09.000 But it's the same war.

00:10:11.000 We're going to fight and save Trump from his own people.

00:10:15.000 The more that a broken system tells you that you're wrong, the more certain you should

00:10:35.000 be that you must keep pushing ahead.

00:10:39.000 urgently.

00:10:41.000 Because it's the outsiders who change the world and who make a real and lasting difference.

00:10:47.000 Nothing worth doing ever came easy.

00:10:52.000 Treat the word impossible as nothing more than motivation.

00:10:58.000 The future belongs to the people who follow their heart no matter what the critics say.

00:11:04.000 We must always remember that we share one home and one glorious destiny.

00:11:12.000 We all bleed the same red blood of patriots.

00:11:17.000 We all salute the same great American flag.

00:11:21.000 Our best days are yet to come.

00:11:46.000 I am officially running for President of the United States.

00:11:53.000 We need a leader.

00:11:57.000 I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created.

00:12:08.000 It can be wonderful if you have smart people. 1.00

00:12:13.000 But we have people that are stupid. 1.00

00:12:16.000 The American dream is dead. 1.00

00:12:24.000 But if I get elected president, I will bring it back.

00:12:30.000 Bigger and better and stronger than ever before.

00:12:36.000 We want out! We want out!

00:12:43.000 The American dream.

00:12:47.000 And we will make America great again.

00:13:49.000 We want out! We want out!

00:14:18.000 And nobody builds walls better than me, believe me.

00:14:21.000 Bigger and better and stronger than ever before.

00:14:28.000 And we will make America great again.

00:14:32.000 Thank you. Thank you very much.

00:14:35.000 And we will make America great again.

00:15:42.000 America great again.

00:16:17.000 And we will make America great again.

00:16:47.000 I stop playing games.

00:16:49.000 And at any moment, I could hit that YAY button.

00:16:53.000 They said, just let me I'm a young lady

00:16:57.000 They bossing it down I'm a big tree

00:17:01.000 With girls in the tunnel My mama said, just don't hold you so close 1.00

00:17:05.000 I'm acting one too Stop the track

00:17:09.000 I'm just another person, extra See Ricky said, good buddy

00:17:13.000 Don't wanna fool you If you wanna pull through, get a one on

00:17:17.000 Okay, let's rock on Team Dakota, sack your bros

00:17:21.000 Don't have your back, we're the plotters It's too much to pay, we're homies now

00:17:25.000 We still be close to 20 10 on 10, but they're in above your head

00:17:29.000 Pray before you go, sub in Everything my bros do

00:17:33.000 I just enforce them, all that No, they are no more than the grandpas

00:17:37.000 They say, we're perfect That means nothing to this stuff

00:17:41.000 Not my words, not my rules I just enforce them, alright

00:17:45.000 They bossing it down I'm a big tree

00:17:49.000 With girls in the tunnel My mama said, just don't hold you so close 1.00

00:17:53.000 I'm acting one too Stop the track

00:17:57.000 I'm just another person, extra See Ricky said, good buddy

00:18:01.000 Don't wanna fool you If you wanna pull through, get a one on

00:18:05.000 Okay, let's rock on Warming up everybody 1.00

00:18:09.000 Warming up everybody Ready to shit on me 0.99

00:18:13.000 Been working days way before this dog drink dose Got a city when I was just a chick 1.00

00:18:19.000 With the all black fatty dicky with the way the fake dose You think y'all wasn't with the shit 1.00

00:18:25.000 Yeah, you think you tight You're like, damn, I said 1.00

00:18:29.000 You think you can fuck on a shorty's back Only got jewels way before they drop shadow 1.00

00:18:35.000 That's where it broke it, that's where it broke it The way it does the shit, the way it does the shit 1.00

00:18:43.000 Those dogs, they still hauntin' Yeah, they still hauntin' 1.00

00:18:47.000 America first, bitch They say pussy don't mean shit 1.00

00:18:51.000 I be saying, I be mean No pain, boys, you gotta be 1.00

00:18:55.000 I take pain from girls, you gotta be I wanna say, just don't hold shit back 1.00

00:19:01.000 They say pussy don't mean shit I be saying, no pain, boys, you gotta be 1.00

00:19:07.000 I take pain from girls, you gotta be I wanna say, just don't hold shit back 1.00

00:19:13.000 This is from your biggest Protestant fan May you one day see the light. 0.98

00:19:26.000 Well, hey, thanks.

00:19:27.000 Love you, too.

00:19:28.000 But I'm sorry.

00:19:28.000 I believe in a religion that makes sense, so... Napoleon, Alexander the Great, Donald Trump were all cut from the same cloth.

00:19:37.000 And that cloth is very, very large.

00:19:39.000 It's not too big, is it?

00:19:43.000 It's wrong, isn't it?

00:19:45.000 It feels so right.

00:19:47.000 It's a deal.

00:19:48.000 It's wrong, isn't it?

00:19:55.000 It feels so right.

00:19:59.000 It's a deal.

00:20:01.000 I put together some really impressive deals.

00:20:08.000 I like that.

00:20:13.000 Go big or go home.

00:20:20.000 Donald Trump.

00:20:27.000 You know, you're really beautiful.

00:20:33.000 A woman who looks like that has to have a little special set. 1.00

00:20:40.000 Oh my God.

00:20:44.000 Hey, Donald.

00:20:49.000 You look great.

00:20:51.000 Thank you very much.

00:20:52.000 I'm told that it's a Swiss one.

00:20:54.000 Oh.

00:20:56.000 That's a secret.

00:20:58.000 Are you begging her?

00:21:00.000 Uh-huh.

00:21:02.000 Are you?

00:21:04.000 No, I'm not.

00:21:06.000 Just that. I'm calling police.

00:21:08.000 Look at this! Right here on this street!

00:21:12.000 It's Donald Trump!

00:21:14.000 There he was!

00:21:16.000 Donald Trump!

00:21:18.000 Donald Trump is here!

00:21:24.000 What's going on here?

00:21:26.000 Everything's set for tonight, Mr. Trump.

00:21:28.000 I wonder what Trump's game is this time.

00:21:36.000 Trump's got a new day!

00:21:37.000 Any day, Trump's got a new deal.

00:21:39.000 What's your game, Donald?

00:21:43.000 Heard about Trump's new deal?

00:21:45.000 Trump has a new game. What is it?

00:22:03.000 No contentions, Mr. Trump!

00:22:07.000 My new game is Trump the game.

00:22:12.000 Trump the game.

00:22:14.000 This sounds like political presidential talk.

00:22:19.000 You've said, though, that if you did run for president, you believe you'd win.

00:22:24.000 I like that.

00:22:25.000 I would say that I would have a hell of a chance of winning.

00:22:31.000 I'd never go on to lose.

00:22:32.000 I've never gone on to lose in my life.

00:22:35.000 I don't know how your audience feels, but I think people are tired of seeing the United States ripped off.

00:22:43.000 There's the guy inside, right?

00:22:45.000 I'm not going to tell you.

00:22:47.000 Okay, kids, make it fast.

00:22:49.000 I've got a play for you.

00:22:50.000 Jimmy Creek magazine.

00:22:51.000 Mr. Trump, you can do it.

00:22:53.000 Scalp jeans.

00:22:54.000 Oh, my God.

00:22:55.000 Excuse me.

00:23:13.000 Where's the money?

00:23:15.000 Down the hall.

00:23:19.000 Your male modeling would be what it is today.

00:23:34.000 Hello, Donald. 0.97

00:23:40.000 You're a big problem, baby. I need your money. 0.87

00:23:43.000 I think she was just about to fight before the fact. 0.99

00:23:46.000 I don't know.

00:23:47.000 You've got to be losing money on this.

00:23:50.000 That's right.

00:23:59.000 Oh, my God.

00:24:00.000 Dare I say it?

00:24:06.000 Dare I say it?

00:24:07.000 I am declaring a new DROYPER war against the Trump campaign until we can figure out what

00:24:23.000 the hell is going on. 0.63

00:24:24.000 Pray on our enemies when we die. 0.94

00:24:28.000 We just hope the feds take a breath.

00:24:32.000 Only one gonna walk away when we collide.

00:24:34.000 Oh I will fight for you with every breath in my body, and I will never, ever let you down.

00:24:45.000 A new Troyper war. 0.97

00:24:48.000 Yeah, nigga, this war, nigga, this war. 1.00

00:24:50.000 I'm taking bodies on the floor. 1.00

00:24:52.000 I'm with it all.

00:24:52.000 I talk to my demons, and I see the writings on the wall.

00:24:55.000 Niggas is dying on the show. 1.00

00:24:57.000 I get excited for them punks.

00:24:58.000 And Noah ain't crying when he go.

00:24:59.000 Cause Brody was fighting for the clothes.

00:25:05.000 They don't know what they are supporting.

00:25:09.000 They don't know how bad it has gotten.

00:25:14.000 They don't know what is necessary to make the difference.

00:25:19.000 They didn't hear us on Twitter.

00:25:21.000 They didn't hear us on True Social.

00:25:22.000 They just censored the hashtags.

00:25:24.000 They didn't hear us when we emailed them.

00:25:27.000 And they didn't hear us when the Washington Post and every other news media outlet reported it.

00:25:33.000 For that reason, the Goyper War will continue. 1.00

00:25:38.000 And we will accelerate and intensify our plans.

00:25:42.000 We have to deploy to Michigan, and we have to make it hurt as much as possible.

00:25:50.000 If he wants to stop the pain, he must stop the betrayal of America first.

00:25:57.000 He must stop the betrayal of America first.

00:26:46.000 We are going to do things to you that have never been done before.

00:26:51.000 Don't sit yet.

00:26:52.000 I feel like this.

00:26:54.000 We ain't love, we're just wasting.

00:26:56.000 Wasting our money, trying to save our face.

00:26:58.000 Wasting our hair, we're on a love-list.

00:27:00.000 Wasting our face, no one's time for our fists.

00:27:02.000 Wasting our teeth, we ain't love, we're just wasting.

00:27:04.000 Wasting our money, trying to save our face.

00:27:06.000 Wasting our hair, we're on a love-list.

00:27:08.000 Wasting our face, no one's time for our fists.

00:27:10.000 Wasting our teeth, we ain't love, we're just wasting.

00:27:12.000 Wasting our hair, we're on a love-list.

00:27:14.000 Wasting our face, no one's time for our fists. 0.99

00:27:16.000 Damn, why should we care? 0.99

00:27:18.000 Socialists, globalists, Marxists, and communists who are 1.00

00:27:22.000 attacking our civilization have no idea

00:27:26.000 of the sleeping giant they have awoken.

00:27:30.000 They have awoken They cannot even begin to imagine the brave and righteous spirit they've unleashed in men and women.

00:27:40.000 But they're going to find out the hard way.

00:27:43.000 They will find out like never before.

00:27:46.000 This nation belongs to you.

00:27:50.000 Belongs to you.

00:27:52.000 It's not your time.

00:28:04.000 It was patriots like you that built this country.

00:28:08.000 And it's patriots like you that are going to save our country.

00:28:13.000 To all of those who think that they can coerce and subjugate the citizens of this land, hear these words.

00:28:24.000 For me tonight, the people of America will not surrender our borders.

00:28:29.000 We will not surrender our culture.

00:28:32.000 We will not surrender our faith.

00:28:35.000 We will not surrender our values.

00:28:38.000 We will not surrender our history.

00:28:41.000 We will not surrender our liberty.

00:28:43.000 And above all, we will not surrender our children.

00:28:48.000 We are done with their distorted visions for America.

00:28:52.000 It's time to start talking about greatness for our country again.

00:28:57.000 We want our country to be great again.

00:29:00.000 We want our country to be respected.

00:29:03.000 I don't want to see any love or affection.

00:29:06.000 What's the point of being so selfish?

00:29:09.000 What's the point of being a good man without a kiss?

00:29:12.000 What's the point of always going down for a kiss?

00:29:15.000 The time for action has come.

00:29:19.000 As long as we are led by politicians who will not put America first,

00:29:28.000 then we can be assured that other nations will not treat America with respect,

00:29:35.000 the respect that we deserve.

00:29:39.000 When you're failing to create love.

00:29:41.000 This is the worst hit comes when you drop style.

00:29:44.000 This is the worst hit comes when you rock bottom.

00:29:47.000 This is the worst hit, the worst hit, the one time you gotta...

00:29:51.000 This is the worst hit comes when you drop style.

00:29:54.000 This is the worst hit comes when you rock bottom.

00:29:55.000 This is the worst hit comes when you drop style.

00:29:55.000 This is the worst hit comes when you rock bottom.

00:29:59.000 Chris La Savida.

00:30:08.000 Senior advisors Chris La Savida and Susie Wiles should be terminated immediately.

00:30:13.000 What you gonna do?

00:30:25.000 Oh Oh

00:30:29.000 Oh Oh

00:30:33.000 Oh Uh, let me ask you about Project 2025.

00:30:38.000 Um... Never heard of it.

00:30:40.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:41.000 They're a pain in the ass. 1.00

00:30:42.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:30:44.000 By nature, political consultants, we want to control everything.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 Right?

00:30:49.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 I mean, we just, we want to control everything, including the candidate.

00:30:52.000 Yeah. Where is our bulldog from 2016?

00:31:20.000 you These interests have rigged our political and economic system for their exclusive benefit, because they have total control.

00:31:31.000 They pull the strings.

00:31:34.000 My message is that things have to change, and they have to change right now.

00:31:42.000 If you miss this version of Trump, you have his campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles to blame.

00:31:50.000 La Civita was found liking posts on Twitter advocating for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and to remove Trump from office on January 6th.

00:31:58.000 And Wiles wants Trump to abandon his loyal base in order to pander to minorities who won't turn out to vote for him regardless.

00:32:05.000 Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles are responsible for Trump's drastic change in rhetoric and his failure in the polls.

00:32:12.000 If you want Trump to win, he must fire these disloyal saboteurs.

00:32:17.000 Use the hashtags firelessavida and firewiles to save Trump from these swamp creatures. 0.92

00:32:22.000 Thanks for watching.

00:32:42.000 Bye. 1.00

00:34:09.000 Creeper War 2, Creeper War 2 Your campaign sucks, yeah we're coming for you Creeper War 2, Creeper War 2 Trump's campaign sucks, the Creeper's coming for you Yo, yo, all you bitches on the campaign. 1.00

00:34:26.000 Trump about to lose to an Indian with coconuts and you think this a joke? 1.00

00:34:30.000 Trump just got shot in the ear and you are losing to a cackling thugly woman who speaks in ebonics when she is around minorities. 1.00

00:34:37.000 Yo, yo, Donald Trump, how pathetic can you be? 1.00

00:34:40.000 You fired people for a living and now you sound like a bitch. 1.00

00:34:46.000 You used to be the mean God and now you sound like a bitch. 1.00

00:34:51.000 You are losing this campaign because you staffed it with a bunch of gays. 1.00

00:34:56.000 Who the hell is running your shit? 1.00

00:34:57.000 Whoever it is needs to be fired on national TV. 1.00

00:35:00.000 You look like a straight up bitch and you are not gonna win if you don't fire people in front of the entire world 1.00

00:35:04.000 You are gonna be sent to prison you dumbass, don't you understand? 1.00

00:35:07.000 Our country is falling apart and you letting Indian women cast spells on the entire party and blaspheme our lord? 1.00

00:35:13.000 Bro Trump, you better get it right or these coconuts are going to be placed on your forehead at night 0.97

00:35:19.000 Like a sweaty salty grape or ball sack Do you smell that? It is the smell of curry and coconuts

00:35:26.000 Yeah, that's the smell of your defeat. 0.98

00:35:28.000 You will forever be known as the loser that lost to an A.D.I.Q. 0.99

00:35:31.000 Indian woman. 0.99

00:35:31.000 Your entire legacy will go down the toilet if you do not fire your campaign staffers on national television. 0.99

00:35:37.000 J.D.

00:35:37.000 Vance, what kind of decision was that?

00:35:39.000 Fire his ass. 1.00

00:35:40.000 What the hell are you thinking? 1.00

00:35:42.000 Coconuts, Donald! 0.99

00:35:43.000 You are going to be force fed curry and coconuts in prison If you don't fire all of your campaign staffers

00:35:49.000 Because you are losing this election You need to get it right, call Nick Fuentes and the rapper 1.00

00:35:55.000 formerly known as Kanye West You idiot 1.00

00:35:58.000 Graper War 2, Graper War 2, Trump's campaign sucks, the Graper's coming for you 1.00

00:36:04.000 Yo, yo, yo, you used to be a badass But now you sound like shit and you straight up look like 1.00

00:36:11.000 ass Who the hell is running your campaign, Donald? Did you 1.00

00:36:14.000 change your mind on DEA?

00:36:15.000 You would have better luck hiring a random guy from one of your rallies 1.00

00:36:18.000 At least you know that he would rather die and see you look like shit on national television 1.00

00:36:22.000 Right now your campaign staffers are intentionally making you look like shit 1.00

00:36:25.000 And when you lose, America is going to smell like curry and coconuts and you will be in prison 1.00

00:36:29.000 But hey, maybe they'll send you to Guantanamo Bay And you will never have to deal with the country that you 1.00

00:36:33.000 let go to shit But we will, so what the fuck, dude? 1.00

00:36:36.000 We have to live in this shithole after you lose, so how about you fire these idiots and hire us? 1.00

00:36:40.000 You've got nothing to lose, except your freedom and your empire and your family and your legacy. 1.00

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00:42:41.000 good evening everybody You are watching America First.

00:42:56.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:42:57.000 We have a great show for you tonight.

00:42:59.000 Very excited to be back here with you tonight on Tuesday.

00:43:03.000 Tonight we're going to be covering the vice presidential debate.

00:43:08.000 First and only vice presidential debate.

00:43:11.000 Last debate.

00:43:14.000 Before the election, that's it.

00:43:16.000 No other presidential debates, no other debates at all.

00:43:20.000 So this is it.

00:43:21.000 Tonight's the big night.

00:43:23.000 J.D.

00:43:23.000 Vance, Senator from Ohio versus Tim Walz, Governor of Minnesota.

00:43:29.000 It's 90 minutes, starts in about a half hour. 0.98

00:43:34.000 Honestly, it's gonna suck.

00:43:37.000 It'll be good content. 0.71

00:43:38.000 It's gonna be fun to watch.

00:43:40.000 I'm excited to watch the debate.

00:43:43.000 But I'm not really rooting for either of them.

00:43:47.000 I don't like either of them.

00:43:49.000 Tim Walz is flamboyant and libtard.

00:43:55.000 J.D. 0.99

00:43:55.000 Vance is married to an Indian wife and fat and totally infiltrated by Israel. 0.99

00:44:05.000 So we're really just covering it as objective, unbiased spectators. 0.93

00:44:10.000 It's going to be a good night.

00:44:12.000 I'm excited to be here.

00:44:14.000 And like I said, the debate will be starting in about a half hour.

00:44:19.000 Betting markets say that J.D.

00:44:20.000 Vance is going to lose.

00:44:23.000 Not by much.

00:44:25.000 But right now on Polly Market, Tim Walz is the favorite to be the victor.

00:44:31.000 They say in the press, though, that Tim Walz is nervous.

00:44:36.000 Allegedly, the first thing he said to Kamala Harris when he was chosen is that he's a bad debater.

00:44:42.000 And he trained with Pete Buttigieg, who stood in for Vance in his prep.

00:44:47.000 We don't actually have any information about Vance's prep.

00:44:52.000 And I don't know, I think it's gonna be a mixed bag.

00:44:54.000 I mean, it could be really good, it could be really bad.

00:44:58.000 Vance went to Yale, seems like a smart guy.

00:45:01.000 He's got media training. 0.97

00:45:03.000 At the same time, he's a total freak. 1.00

00:45:06.000 Total weirdo. 0.86

00:45:08.000 So I feel like it could go either way.

00:45:10.000 He could come off really weird and trip up, or he could be very effective because he's got that same kind of Pete Buttigieg.

00:45:19.000 It's sort of ironic.

00:45:20.000 He has the same kind of thing going on there. 0.88

00:45:23.000 Ivy League, educated, ambitious, wanted to be president since he was eight years old, probably closeted gay thing. 1.00

00:45:34.000 So maybe he'll be very good.

00:45:35.000 I don't know.

00:45:37.000 But it's going to be exciting.

00:45:38.000 We're going to watch.

00:45:39.000 We'll see what happens.

00:45:41.000 Of course, there was also some major news earlier today in the afternoon.

00:45:47.000 And we'll talk a little bit about that now, and then probably we'll cover it on the show extensively tomorrow.

00:45:53.000 But the day has finally arrived.

00:45:56.000 First of the month, Iran struck Israel this afternoon with Some say 180, some say over 400 ballistic missiles.

00:46:09.000 In several waves, Iran retaliated against Israel for the assassinations of IRGC General, as well as the leader of Hamas and the leader of Hezbollah.

00:46:21.000 It was a long time coming.

00:46:23.000 Many people believed it was never going to happen.

00:46:27.000 But it finally came today.

00:46:28.000 We don't know the extent of the damage because there is military censorship in place in Israel and at all Israeli media stations.

00:46:37.000 So we don't actually know if anyone was killed or the extent of the damage on infrastructure.

00:46:45.000 But it was far more significant and although it came late, it came with much less of a warning than Iran's retaliatory strikes in April.

00:46:55.000 And thus represents a major escalation.

00:46:59.000 And this comes just a day after Israel began its incursion into Lebanon yesterday, which we covered on the show.

00:47:06.000 Another thing that was a long time coming.

00:47:09.000 And so after the strikes, now we're looking at an open invitation for Israel to retaliate against Iran, most likely with major airstrikes, potentially on their nuclear facilities, maybe on their oil and gas facilities.

00:47:26.000 We don't know what the targets will be and the timeline yet, but the Israeli war cabinet has resolved to retaliate against Iran, and not only Iran, but apparently throughout the entire Middle East.

00:47:39.000 Potentially they will be conducting extensive strikes, I would imagine, in Syria, Lebanon, potentially Iraq, and Yemen as well.

00:47:50.000 Initially they said that would happen tonight, although it doesn't seem like that is the case, unless it happens in the coming hours.

00:47:59.000 Israel modified their position, they said it will happen at a time of their choosing, and the United States National Security Council spokesperson has said that the United States stands behind Israel in their retaliation strike.

00:48:15.000 So we'll be waiting to see what happens this week.

00:48:17.000 I imagine it's going to come sooner rather than later, but this was the endgame from the beginning.

00:48:25.000 That is direct, open hostilities between Iran and Israel.

00:48:29.000 And it's always been relatively openly hostile.

00:48:34.000 But a direct military engagement between the two.

00:48:37.000 It's something that actually decisively favors Israel.

00:48:41.000 Israel has an air force that is capable of striking deep into Iran, a capability that Iran does not have.

00:48:50.000 Iran has the capability to launch missiles at Israel, long-range missiles.

00:48:56.000 But that is tempered by the fact that Israel has a number of anti-missile defensive systems, like the Arrow 3, David's Sling, and Iron Dome, which can shoot down different types of rockets and missiles.

00:49:12.000 So a direct military engagement between Iran and Israel is something that Iran is sought to avoid because of the asymmetry in capabilities, and rather they have preferred to rely on their proxies Specifically Hezbollah.

00:49:28.000 But now that Israel has decimated the leadership of Hezbollah and their communications network, and is now conducting major airstrikes on their capital in the suburbs of Beirut and Tehran, Hezbollah is disabled and not able to effectively counter or act as Iran's forward operating base.

00:49:48.000 So these are the dynamics of the current conflict.

00:49:52.000 Like I said, this has always been the goal, probably since October 7th of last year.

00:49:58.000 It has been slowly and gradually unfolding and unraveling, first with the engagement in Gaza, then with the escalating tensions in the north, provocations against Iran across the Middle East, and now we finally arrived at the endgame, which is Most likely annexation of Gaza, decimation of Hezbollah, and a decisive strike on Iran that will devastate their economy and their nuclear facilities, which would be a major strategic blow.

00:50:28.000 So...

00:50:31.000 I literally predicted it.

00:50:33.000 I said it yesterday, and I know I say it like every night now, but it's like, bro, if you have been watching my show over the past year, I have predicted all of the, literally every step of the way for a year.

00:50:48.000 I said, they're going to go into Lebanon. 1.00

00:50:50.000 They went into Lebanon.

00:50:52.000 I said, they're going to annex Gaza. 0.97

00:50:54.000 Guess what they just put out last week?

00:50:57.000 A plan to annex North Gaza. 0.80

00:51:00.000 I said they're goading Iran to attack them. 0.50

00:51:03.000 It's a no-win scenario where eventually the Iranian people will demand intervention. 0.99

00:51:10.000 Iran will do it, spring the trap, and then Israel will be justified in retaliating against Iran's strategic infrastructure, specifically oil and gas. 0.89

00:51:21.000 More importantly, the nuclear complex.

00:51:25.000 And it's all played out in the past two weeks.

00:51:28.000 It went from zero to 100.

00:51:30.000 And if you read the headlines, you'd still be thinking there was a ceasefire deal forthcoming any day now, an agreement with Hamas, something like that.

00:51:45.000 But if you've been watching this show, we've been doomsaying and predicting this wider regional conflict from the very start.

00:51:53.000 For all of those reasons, it was clear to see from the beginning.

00:51:57.000 And today we have it.

00:51:59.000 So last night I said there were a few schools of thought on how Iran has approached this problem.

00:52:05.000 I said from the beginning, some say that Iran should have hit Israel at the start.

00:52:12.000 Before August, before April, but from the very beginning.

00:52:18.000 And some say that Iran should have retaliated in August.

00:52:21.000 That much is a certainty.

00:52:24.000 Nearly a certainty.

00:52:26.000 But now Iran has responded probably too late.

00:52:31.000 To give my analysis of the situation, I've described what has happened.

00:52:35.000 Yeah, we all knew it.

00:52:37.000 If you've been watching the show, it's like it's, ironically, it's almost like it's old news.

00:52:43.000 If you've been watching my show, this is like old news.

00:52:46.000 Oh, Israel goaded Iran to attack them and now they get to strike a decisive strategic blow against Iran. 0.79

00:52:52.000 We've literally been talking about it for a year, but it just happened.

00:52:57.000 Now here's the problem.

00:53:00.000 So Iran's conservative president mysteriously died in a helicopter crash earlier this year.

00:53:08.000 Ebrahim Raisi, who was recently elected, died earlier this year in a helicopter crash.

00:53:14.000 They held elections and a moderate reformist was elected.

00:53:20.000 And this guy has emphasized strategic patience in the conflict.

00:53:26.000 He was only elected in August, but the people are angry because they believe that by not responding after his inauguration in August to the assassination of the leader of Hamas in Tehran, that it was major weakness and a strategic blunder.

00:53:43.000 And it's probably true. 0.62

00:53:45.000 And the Israelis took advantage of that. 0.97

00:53:48.000 And shattering deterrence, the Israelis were able to then go into Hezbollah, do their cyber attack, their aerial bombardment, their assassinations because of the precedent established in August when Israel was able to assassinate the Hezbollah commander in Lebanon and the leader of Hamas in Iran with no counterattack.

00:54:11.000 Now, the time for a retaliation would have been in August or September.

00:54:17.000 Here's the problem.

00:54:19.000 This new president, this moderate president, waited all this time.

00:54:24.000 And guess what?

00:54:26.000 He waited until after Israel decimated Hezbollah.

00:54:32.000 Iran waited to retaliate until after Hezbollah was effectively disabled over the past two weeks.

00:54:43.000 So the leader of Hamas was assassinated in Iran in the beginning of August.

00:54:51.000 One of the commanders, one of the senior advisors of Hezbollah was assassinated in Lebanon the day before in the beginning of August.

00:55:01.000 Now the precedent established in April When Israel assassinated seven IRGC commanders at a consulate building in Damascus, Syria, was that Iran retaliated with 300 drones and missiles.

00:55:18.000 And what was established effectively was deterrence.

00:55:22.000 If Israel conducts assassinations in foreign capitals in violation of national sovereignty, then they will be attacked.

00:55:32.000 And it was a broad-spectrum defense which prevented any of the drones or missiles from hitting their targets.

00:55:41.000 It was Egypt, Jordan, the United States, France, Britain, and Israel itself.

00:55:46.000 They all mounted a defensive Israel. 0.72

00:55:48.000 They shot down all the drones and missiles in April.

00:55:52.000 But in August, Iran did not counterattack.

00:55:58.000 They cucked.

00:55:59.000 They chickened out.

00:56:01.000 The United States moved in, they deployed two dozen warships, two carrier strike groups to deter Iran from retaliating, and Iran blinked first.

00:56:11.000 They buckled.

00:56:13.000 Iran was going to reply. 0.97

00:56:14.000 Iran said, we are going to cross red lines. 0.87

00:56:17.000 We are going to strike back swiftly.

00:56:20.000 We don't care if we instigate a war.

00:56:22.000 We're going in.

00:56:23.000 They threatened it.

00:56:24.000 They said it would happen.

00:56:25.000 They said a red line was crossed.

00:56:27.000 And so they would reply strongly.

00:56:31.000 The United States sent in an unprecedented number of military assets to prevent this from happening, to check Iran's power, and Iran blinked. 0.86

00:56:40.000 They backed down.

00:56:41.000 And the message was sent that Israel can kill anyone, anywhere, and they will not pay a price. 0.90

00:56:48.000 So what did Israel do?

00:56:50.000 Over the past two weeks, they have destroyed Hezbollah.

00:56:56.000 The pager attacks and the radio attacks maimed thousands of Hezbollah civilian officers, overwhelmed the hospitals.

00:57:08.000 And took down Hezbollah's communications network.

00:57:11.000 Then Israel began an aerial bombardment.

00:57:13.000 Thousands of airstrikes in two weeks.

00:57:16.000 Major escalation since the start of this current conflict after October 7th.

00:57:23.000 Then, over the course of the last two weeks, Israel killed all of Hezbollah's senior leadership, including their over 30-year General Secretary, Hassan Nasrallah.

00:57:34.000 Last night, Israel began the invasion of Lebanon with engineers and intelligence to gather intelligence about Hezbollah's fortifications, tunnels, and infrastructure on Israel's northern border.

00:57:50.000 Now here's the problem.

00:57:51.000 It is in this circumstance Today that Iran finally decided to reply, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards say that the retaliation was specifically in response to the killing of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, and an IRGC general who was killed in the past week.

00:58:18.000 The problem is this.

00:58:21.000 If you look in a map of the Middle East, Iran does not border Israel.

00:58:27.000 Iran is far from Israel. 0.74

00:58:30.000 The issue is that there's only a certain number of Iran's missile arsenal that can even reach Israel.

00:58:39.000 Iran has thousands of missiles.

00:58:41.000 They have ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, they have suicide drones.

00:58:45.000 But it's a small number of expensive missiles that can even reach Israel.

00:58:49.000 That's really the only way they can touch Israel. 0.99

00:58:53.000 They can't invade Israel because they don't share a border.

00:58:56.000 They can't strike Israel with their air force because their air force is very old and does not have the capability, it doesn't have the range to even reach Israel.

00:59:06.000 So they cannot strike on Israeli territory with fighter jets or bombers or anything like that.

00:59:13.000 All they have are the missiles.

00:59:16.000 And the missiles, like I said, many of them can be shot down by Jordanian-American-Israeli defense systems.

00:59:23.000 And the ones that can reach Israel, they're in limited supply.

00:59:26.000 It's arguable how much damage they can really do.

00:59:31.000 What Iran relies upon to keep Israel in check, the way that they're able to touch Israel is with Hezbollah. 0.94

00:59:39.000 Because Hezbollah is situated on Israel's border.

00:59:44.000 Hezbollah has a hundred thousand fighters.

00:59:47.000 It's a real fighting force.

00:59:49.000 And Israel historically cannot effectively fight Hezbollah because Hezbollah is a guerrilla army and they do employ professional tactics.

00:59:58.000 They can hold defensive positions and Israel has not been able successfully to fight Hezbollah in their 20-year occupation of South Lebanon or in their most recent war in 2006.

01:00:10.000 What's more, Hezbollah is able to touch Israel with much shorter range rockets.

01:00:16.000 Cheaper, shorter range rockets that don't require big delivery systems that are stationary that can be hit by Israeli airstrikes.

01:00:26.000 The rockets that Hezbollah is launching into Israel are very mobile and they're launching them from heavily forested Hilly areas that are not easily targeted by dumb bombs or these imprecise munitions used by Israel or their air force. 0.67

01:00:46.000 So Iran relies heavily upon Hezbollah to check and deter Israel and to touch Israel, because Israel cannot effectively fight Hezbollah, cannot effectively mount offensives, and even their airstrikes and missile strikes are not totally effective against these mobile rocket systems, short-range rocket systems that Hezbollah employs. 0.67

01:01:10.000 So here's the problem, which may be apparent.

01:01:14.000 Iran waited to hit Israel from its territory with its, again, decisively inferior capabilities, after Hezbollah, which they rely upon totally, was basically disabled. 0.56

01:01:32.000 Iran waited for Hezbollah's leadership to be killed, its communication system to go down, for thousands of airstrikes to occur, for Israel to begin the invasion, Before they replied.

01:01:48.000 Now, Iran could have hit Israel at the beginning of the war. 0.55

01:01:52.000 And they could have hit Israel in April. 0.61

01:01:55.000 And they could have hit Israel in August if they moved quickly and decisively. 0.87

01:02:01.000 And Israel would have been restrained in their response because of the deterrent threat of Hezbollah on its northern border. 0.76

01:02:14.000 But now that Iran has waited until the day after Israel has decimated Hezbollah's leadership, infrastructure, communications, its headquarters in Dahiya, the suburb of Beirut, now Israel's completely unrestrained in their response.

01:02:34.000 And so now they're openly talking about attacking Iran's oil and gas facilities,

01:02:40.000 which accounts for 70% of Iran's government revenue.

01:02:44.000 They're talking about destroying an island that Iran uses to export all of its oil.

01:02:51.000 90% of its oil comes out of one small island where they have a long port.

01:02:57.000 Because the Persian Gulf is very shallow, they need to do it on a port, on a small island off the coast.

01:03:05.000 So they're talking about destroying the oil and gas.

01:03:08.000 Again, which Iran, its economy relies upon totally. 0.88

01:03:12.000 And they're talking about bombing Iran's nuclear facilities.

01:03:16.000 And you've got American neocons, pro-Israel, Zionist Americans, as well as Israelis saying this is the time for a decisive strike.

01:03:26.000 The former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who's also former IDF, he was the Prime Minister several years ago, He said that Israel should use this as the opportunity to strike a decisive blow against Iran, specifically its nuclear complex and its oil and gas facilities, which would effectively neuter Iran strategically and destroy its economy and probably ultimately produce regime change.

01:03:57.000 And Israel is emboldened to do this and probably capable of doing this if they chose Because they are completely unbound and unchecked by Hezbollah in the north, which they destroyed and which they were able to destroy because Iran did not retaliate back in August when Israel was testing the waters with these provocative strikes.

01:04:22.000 So it all goes back to the failure to respond, the failure to maintain and uphold deterrence.

01:04:31.000 And now they're cooked!

01:04:33.000 And it's like I said last night.

01:04:36.000 After the bombardment of Hezbollah and the assassination of Nasrallah, which have taken place in the past two weeks, Iran has been put in a completely unwinnable situation.

01:04:47.000 Because if they retaliate, they're in the predicament that they are in now.

01:04:53.000 They are defenseless.

01:04:55.000 They are vulnerable.

01:04:56.000 Israel can bomb them and not worry about a retaliation from Hezbollah. 0.98

01:05:01.000 The Houthis don't have capability.

01:05:03.000 The militia in Iraq does not have a real capability to inflict damage on Israel.

01:05:09.000 Israel is totally free and totally unrestrained and able to hit Iran as hard as they choose. 0.86

01:05:19.000 And many of the hardliners in the war cabinet are saying that's exactly what they should do.

01:05:24.000 So Iran, the dilemma they face is they're screwed if they attack, which they did. 0.98

01:05:30.000 But if Iran had not attacked today, maybe the government would have been overthrown. 0.72

01:05:39.000 Because the Iranian people watching the Iranian government get humiliated, and get attacked, and to watch Nasrallah be killed, and watch Hezbollah get slaughtered, On behalf of Iran, while Iran does nothing, was creating widespread dissatisfaction.

01:06:02.000 And could have even caused a military coup or some other such situation in the country.

01:06:09.000 But it was catastrophic either way. 0.98

01:06:11.000 They were damned if they do, damned if they don't. 0.97

01:06:16.000 And now we await Israel's response. 0.97

01:06:18.000 But it could be significant.

01:06:20.000 And the thing to watch for is, Whether Israel hits Iran directly, which they almost certainly will, and it would be notable because Israel has so far refrained from attacking Iran. 0.62

01:06:35.000 Israel attacked Iran's consulate in Syria back in April, and when Iran struck Israel from Iran, Israel did not hit Iran back.

01:06:45.000 Not really.

01:06:48.000 And in August, Israel attacked Hezbollah in Lebanon and they did a terrorist attack with their intelligence forces inside Tehran, but it wasn't an aerial bombardment.

01:07:00.000 They didn't do an airstrike.

01:07:01.000 It wasn't a missile strike.

01:07:03.000 It was Israeli intelligence planted a bomb in an IRGC compound and they detonated it remotely.

01:07:12.000 So technically, Israel has not directly struck Iran, not with jets, not with missiles.

01:07:19.000 And so the question of Israel's response is, will they hit Iran from Israel with air power, with a bold aerial campaign, which would require them to either stealthily go through Syrian airspace or to go over Iraqi airspace.

01:07:37.000 It would be long-range, may require refueling in midair.

01:07:40.000 It would be a very sophisticated aerial operation.

01:07:44.000 Maybe with missiles from their Dolphin-class submarines.

01:07:49.000 Maybe ground-based missiles.

01:07:51.000 We don't know.

01:07:53.000 But the question is, will they hit Iran directly?

01:07:55.000 I think the answer is almost certainly yes.

01:07:57.000 The question is then, what targets will they choose?

01:08:01.000 Iran does not have defensive systems to protect them from an airstrike in the way that Israel does.

01:08:09.000 So Israel will strike hard and with precision, and they will destroy infrastructure. 0.99

01:08:14.000 Will they target Iran's oil and gas facilities and cripple their economy, which relies, again, 70% of their government's revenue comes from the sale of oil.

01:08:26.000 90% of it comes through one island in the Persian Gulf.

01:08:28.000 Will they hit the island?

01:08:29.000 Will they hit the refineries on Iran's southwestern coast?

01:08:36.000 Or will Israel go for the nuclear facilities?

01:08:38.000 The nuclear facilities, many of them are deep underground, inside of mountains, that would require major conventional ordnance, like the kind that they're dropping, the bunker-busting bombs they're dropping in the suburbs of Beirut.

01:08:53.000 So will they target the nuclear facilities and disable Iran's nuclear program permanently, or for years, potentially?

01:09:03.000 And then the question is, will they hit other targets?

01:09:06.000 Will they hit Iranian-backed militias in Iraq, Syria, Yemen?

01:09:10.000 Of course, they're continuing their bombardment of Hezbollah in Lebanon.

01:09:15.000 So we're really just watching and waiting to see what the scope of Israel's reprisal will be.

01:09:24.000 And Iran has threatened that if Israel replies that Iran will retaliate against Israel.

01:09:30.000 So we're going to enter into a pattern in the same way that there was a low boil exchange of fire between Hezbollah and Israel over the border with Lebanon.

01:09:42.000 We may be entering something similar between Israel and Iran.

01:09:47.000 Israel will retaliate. 0.56

01:09:48.000 Maybe Iran will retaliate again against Israel. 0.82

01:09:54.000 I imagine Israel will then retaliate against Iran again. 0.80

01:09:57.000 And I believe Israel can control the escalation because Israel has superior air power.

01:10:05.000 But we're in uncharted territory.

01:10:07.000 The first time that Iran ever struck Israel directly was in April.

01:10:11.000 It is now October.

01:10:13.000 And it's only the second time in history since the Islamic Revolution that this has occurred.

01:10:20.000 So we will see what happens.

01:10:23.000 We're going to be watching it very closely.

01:10:24.000 I imagine we won't have to wait long.

01:10:26.000 It could be tomorrow.

01:10:27.000 It could be in a few days.

01:10:29.000 I imagine before the end of the week, for sure.

01:10:32.000 But that's where we are with Israel and Iran. 0.83

01:10:34.000 Like I said, we're going to cover that more tomorrow.

01:10:37.000 I just kind of gave a brief overview, basic reaction.

01:10:41.000 Tonight, obviously, we have the vice presidential debate, if you're just joining us.

01:10:45.000 Vice presidential debate begins in five minutes.

01:10:49.000 So we're going to shift gears a little bit.

01:10:52.000 If you want to hear more about the imminent war with Iran, tune into my show tomorrow.

01:10:58.000 If you're just joining us, we have a bigger audience tonight.

01:11:01.000 Normally I do a show every night, 8 o'clock central.

01:11:06.000 Every weeknight, Monday through Friday tomorrow, I'll be covering the Iran war.

01:11:10.000 So if you want more in-depth coverage of that, I'll be covering it tomorrow.

01:11:14.000 We're going to shift gears.

01:11:15.000 Vice presidential debate is five minutes out.

01:11:18.000 I want to get a quick prediction.

01:11:21.000 Who does the chat think is going to win the debate?

01:11:25.000 Press 1 for Vance, 2 for Walls.

01:11:28.000 I want to get a poll.

01:11:29.000 We'll take a poll at the beginning.

01:11:31.000 Press 1 in the chat if you think J.D.

01:11:33.000 Vance will win the debate.

01:11:35.000 Press 2 if you think it'll be Tim Walls.

01:11:40.000 And we'll take a look.

01:11:40.000 We'll see what the chat says.

01:11:41.000 We got about 20,000 viewers.

01:11:45.000 Looks pretty mixed.

01:11:47.000 I'm seeing, I think it's slightly more twos.

01:11:52.000 But it's mixed.

01:11:53.000 It's about 50-50, I think.

01:11:55.000 Maybe 60-40.

01:11:56.000 A little bit more twos.

01:12:00.000 So we'll see what happens.

01:12:01.000 This is the first and only vice presidential debate of the election.

01:12:05.000 It's going to go on for 90 minutes.

01:12:08.000 There are no other presidential debates, so this is the last debate before the election.

01:12:13.000 It's this debate, and then in one month, it's the election.

01:12:17.000 I don't think this is going to have much of an impact at all, if I'm being honest.

01:12:22.000 You know, the thing is about elections, I'm just being honest with you guys.

01:12:26.000 I'm not going to BS.

01:12:29.000 A lot of this stuff doesn't matter, okay?

01:12:31.000 The conventions, the presidential debates barely matter, the vice presidential debate, I think it hardly matters at all.

01:12:38.000 But it looks like we're about to start, so we'll tune in here, we'll see what's going on.

01:12:42.000 So, I don't want to say it's not important, but is this going to have a huge impact on the election outcome?

01:12:49.000 Probably not, but it's going to be fun.

01:12:52.000 It's a little piece.

01:12:53.000 And they're looking for a viral moment.

01:12:55.000 But alright.

01:12:56.000 That's what they'll be looking for.

01:12:56.000 But here we go!

01:12:57.000 No handshake.

01:12:59.000 We're one minute away.

01:13:02.000 Kind of a weird start.

01:13:03.000 So they've taken the stage.

01:13:08.000 Fat J.D. 0.90

01:13:09.000 Vance with his Indian wife watching at home, his non-white children cheering him on. 1.00

01:13:14.000 They're eating curry.

01:13:15.000 They ordered Indian food and they're stinking it up.

01:13:20.000 They're stinking it up.

01:13:22.000 I shouldn't say that.

01:13:23.000 That's terrible.

01:13:25.000 Oh, I shouldn't say that so terrible.

01:13:27.000 JD Vance's Indian wife and kids are watching at home.

01:13:30.000 They've got the Panang curry.

01:13:32.000 They've got their... They've got their... What do they call it?

01:13:39.000 What do they call the chicken there?

01:13:43.000 They've got their curry.

01:13:44.000 They're stinking it up with their extended family.

01:13:47.000 They got about 40 Indians crammed in a small living room.

01:13:50.000 They're all eating with their hands out of their lap, sitting on the floor.

01:13:54.000 Turbans on, red dot painted.

01:13:58.000 It's game time.

01:13:59.000 They're practicing spells.

01:14:05.000 In support of their... Their guy.

01:14:08.000 Alright, here we go, it's starting.

01:14:10.000 Let's be serious, it's starting.

01:14:12.000 No, but let's be serious, it's starting, okay?

01:14:14.000 Tika Masala, that's right.

01:14:14.000 Alright, here we go!

01:14:15.000 of Minnesota and Republican Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio.

01:14:19.000 Now this is likely the final debate of this election cycle.

01:14:22.000 And voting is already underway in 26 states.

01:14:25.000 So if this fall elections, this remains a race either presidential candidate could win.

01:14:30.000 The CBS News vice presidential debate starts now.

01:14:35.000 This is gonna be awesome.

01:14:36.000 Okay.

01:14:36.000 Let's go!

01:14:36.000 going to be good. This is going to be awesome.

01:14:43.000 Okay. Let's go. Monster going in.

01:14:49.000 Kamala Harris is the next president of the United States.

01:14:51.000 stay. This is a CBS News.

01:14:55.000 I'm gonna be honest with you.

01:14:58.000 I'm rooting for Vance to lose.

01:14:59.000 This is gonna be good.

01:15:01.000 The vice presidential debate.

01:15:03.000 I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm rooting for Vance to lose.

01:15:07.000 I don't want Walls to win, I want Vance to lose.

01:15:10.000 Alright, here we go.

01:15:11.000 I forgot this.

01:15:12.000 Let's put that here.

01:15:13.000 Okay.

01:15:14.000 Here we go!

01:15:14.000 CBS another got this here in the US and around the world we have a consequential

01:15:19.000 night ahead and our focus is the issues that matter to you the voter let's

01:15:24.000 introduce the candidates Minnesota's Democratic Governor Tim Walz and Ohio's

01:15:28.000 Republican Senator JD Vance tonight meeting for the first here we go this is

01:15:34.000 good I'm Margaret Brennan

01:15:39.000 In order to have a thoughtful and civil debate, these are the rules that both campaigns have agreed to.

01:15:45.000 It's two women? 0.99

01:15:46.000 Questions will be directed at one candidate. 0.99

01:15:48.000 That's so gay. 1.00

01:15:50.000 I'm sure that was intentional. 0.99

01:15:52.000 Hey, J.D.

01:15:53.000 Vance, you want to control women's bodies? 0.99

01:15:56.000 It's two women. 0.91

01:15:57.000 Moderators deal with it.

01:15:58.000 One minute each at the discretion of the moderator. 0.93

01:16:01.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.96

01:16:01.000 That's so obvious. 0.96

01:16:04.000 What they're doing with that, isn't it?

01:16:05.000 isn't it?

01:16:07.000 Alright, here we go.

01:16:27.000 Tonight, our country is facing several unfolding crises.

01:16:30.000 The Middle East is on the brink of war.

01:16:32.000 Americans are suffering from the catastrophic impact of Hurricane Helene.

01:16:36.000 And now a labor strike as 25,000 dock workers from Maine to Texas are picketing.

01:16:41.000 We're going to begin tonight with the Middle East.

01:16:44.000 Margaret.

01:16:45.000 Thank you, Nora.

01:16:47.000 Earlier today, Iran launched its largest attack yet on Israel, but that attack failed, thanks to U.S.

01:16:54.000 and Israeli defensive action.

01:16:56.000 President Biden has deployed more than 40,000 U.S.

01:17:00.000 military personnel and assets to that region over the past year to try to prevent a regional war.

01:17:07.000 Iran is weakened.

01:17:09.000 That's Israeli propaganda. 0.84

01:17:10.000 Really?

01:17:10.000 is it the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and it has drastically reduced

01:17:16.000 the time it would take to develop a nuclear weapon.

01:17:18.000 It is down now to one or two weeks time.

01:17:22.000 Governor Walz, if you were the final voice in this situation, would you support or oppose

01:17:29.000 a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?

01:17:33.000 You have two minutes.

01:17:34.000 Well, thank you.

01:17:35.000 And thank you for those joining at home tonight.

01:17:37.000 Let's keep in mind where this started.

01:17:39.000 October 7th, Hamas terrorists massacred over 1,400 Israelis and took prisoners.

01:17:45.000 Are you kidding me?

01:17:48.000 Israel's ability to be able to defend itself is absolutely fundamental.

01:17:52.000 Getting its hostages back, fundamental.

01:17:55.000 And ending the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. 1.00

01:17:58.000 Oh, this guy sucks. 0.97

01:18:00.000 But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there. 1.00

01:18:07.000 You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack.

01:18:16.000 We got a tweet.

01:18:16.000 We got a tweet. We got a live tweet.

01:18:18.000 It's clear and the world saw it on that debate stage a few weeks ago.

01:18:23.000 A nearly 80-year-old Donald Trump talking about crowd sizes is not what we need in this moment.

01:18:29.000 But it's not just that. It's those that were closest to Donald Trump that understand how dangerous he is when the

01:18:36.000 world is this dangerous.

01:18:36.000 His Chief of Staff John Kelly said that he was the most flawed human being he'd ever met.

01:18:41.000 And both of his Secretaries of Defense and his National Security Advisors said he should be nowhere near the White

01:18:49.000 House. 1.00

01:18:49.000 This guy sucks. 1.00

01:18:50.000 Now the person closest to them... 1.00

01:18:53.000 to the Donald Trump said he's unfit for the highest office.

01:18:57.000 That was Senator Vance.

01:18:59.000 What we've seen out of Vice President Harris is we've seen steady leadership. We've seen a

01:19:04.000 calmness that is able to be able to draw on the coalitions to bring them together. Understanding

01:19:10.000 that our allies matter. When our allies see Donald Trump turn towards Vladimir Putin,

01:19:18.000 Turn towards North Korea. 0.62

01:19:20.000 When we start to see that type of fickleness around holding the coalitions together, we will stay committed.

01:19:26.000 And as the Vice President said today is, we will protect our forces and our allied forces and there will be consequences.

01:19:34.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:19:35.000 Senator Vance, the same question.

01:19:37.000 Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel on Iran?

01:19:42.000 You have two minutes.

01:19:43.000 So, Margaret, I want to answer the question.

01:19:45.000 First of all, thanks, Governor.

01:19:46.000 Thanks to CBS for hosting the debate.

01:19:48.000 And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.

01:19:54.000 You look so weird.

01:19:55.000 I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.

01:20:01.000 I was raised in a working-class family.

01:20:03.000 My mother required food assistance for periods of her life. 0.98

01:20:06.000 My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me.

01:20:09.000 And she raised me in part because my mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of

01:20:12.000 my early life.

01:20:13.000 I went to college on the GI Bill after I enlisted in the Marine Corps and served in Iraq.

01:20:18.000 And so I stand here asking to be your vice president with extraordinary gratitude for

01:20:23.000 this country, for the American dream that made it possible for me to live my dreams.

01:20:27.000 And most importantly, I know that a lot of you are worried about the chaos in the world

01:20:31.000 and the feeling that the American dream is unattainable.

01:20:34.000 I want to try to convince you tonight over the next 90 minutes that if we get better

01:20:38.000 leadership in the White House, if we get Donald Trump back in the White House, the American

01:20:42.000 dream is going to be attainable once again.

01:20:44.000 Now, to answer this particular question, we have to remember that as much as Governor

01:20:48.000 Walz just accused Donald Trump of being an agent of chaos, Donald Trump actually delivered

01:20:53.000 stability in the world and he did it by establishing effective deterrence.

01:20:57.000 People were afraid of stepping out of line.

01:21:00.000 Iran, which launched this attack, has received over $100 billion in unfrozen assets thanks to the Kamala Harris

01:21:07.000 administration.

01:21:08.000 What do they use that money for?

01:21:09.000 They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies,

01:21:12.000 and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.

01:21:16.000 Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.

01:21:22.000 They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.

01:21:29.000 Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.

01:21:33.000 Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.

01:21:41.000 I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.

01:21:44.000 Thank you, Senator.

01:21:45.000 Let them do whatever they want.

01:21:47.000 Do you care to respond to any of the allegations?

01:21:49.000 Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.

01:21:51.000 We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.

01:22:04.000 Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.

01:22:07.000 So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership.

01:22:12.000 And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace,

01:22:17.000 Donald Trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump.

01:22:21.000 And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops and they received traumatic brain injuries,

01:22:29.000 Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.

01:22:31.000 Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle.

01:22:36.000 He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.

01:22:40.000 Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.

01:22:44.000 Both Iranian attacks were repelled.

01:22:46.000 Our coalition is strong and we need the steady leadership that Kamala Harris is providing.

01:22:52.000 Senator Vance, the U.S.

01:22:53.000 did have a diplomatic deal with Iran to temporarily pause parts of its nuclear program, and President Trump did exit that deal.

01:23:02.000 He recently said, just five days ago, the U.S.

01:23:06.000 must now make a diplomatic deal with Iran because the consequences are impossible.

01:23:13.000 Did he make a mistake?

01:23:14.000 You have one minute.

01:23:15.000 Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word.

01:23:17.000 But I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.

01:23:20.000 You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.

01:23:25.000 And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.

01:23:28.000 Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?

01:23:30.000 And the answer is your running mate, not mine.

01:23:33.000 Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.

01:23:36.000 When did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?

01:23:38.000 The sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October

01:23:44.000 7th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.

01:23:46.000 But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?

01:23:50.000 It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.

01:23:53.000 So Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and

01:23:59.000 peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.

01:24:03.000 Donald Trump has already done it once before.

01:24:06.000 Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?

01:24:14.000 The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.

01:24:18.000 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to.

01:24:19.000 Nora?

01:24:20.000 Margaret, thank you.

01:24:21.000 Let's turn now to Hurricane Helene. 0.71

01:24:23.000 The storm could become one of the deadliest on record.

01:24:28.000 More than 160 people are dead and hundreds more are missing.

01:24:33.000 Scientists say climate change makes these hurricanes larger, stronger, and more deadly because of the historic rainfall.

01:24:42.000 Senator Vance, according to CBS News polling, 7 in 10 Americans and more than 60% of Republicans under the age of 45 favor the U.S.

01:24:52.000 taking steps to try and reduce climate change.

01:24:54.000 Senator, what responsibility would the Trump administration have to try and reduce the impact of climate change?

01:25:02.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:25:03.000 Sure, so first of all, let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy.

01:25:08.000 I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives.

01:25:18.000 And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them, and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible.

01:25:30.000 and then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild.

01:25:33.000 I mean, these are communities that I love.

01:25:35.000 Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast.

01:25:39.000 They need their government to do their job.

01:25:41.000 And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens

01:25:46.000 of this country first when they suffer from a disaster.

01:25:48.000 Now, Nora, you asked about climate change.

01:25:50.000 I think this is a very important issue.

01:25:52.000 Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.

01:25:56.000 I think it's important for us, first of all, to say, Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.

01:26:01.000 We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.

01:26:03.000 But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions, this idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.

01:26:12.000 Well, let's just say that's true.

01:26:13.000 Just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true.

01:26:17.000 Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?

01:26:21.000 The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.

01:26:32.000 What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to? 0.99

01:26:35.000 More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world. 0.99

01:26:42.000 And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.

01:26:47.000 So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people.

01:26:56.000 And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite. 1.00

01:27:00.000 Governor Walz, you have two minutes to respond.

01:27:02.000 Well, we got close to an agreement because all those things are happening.

01:27:04.000 Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane.

01:27:10.000 And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors.

01:27:14.000 I serve as co-chair of the Council of Governors.

01:27:18.000 We work together on these emergency management schemes.

01:27:20.000 Governors know no partisanship.

01:27:22.000 They work together to solve the governors and the emergency responders on the ground.

01:27:25.000 Those happen on the front end.

01:27:27.000 The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there to that we recover.

01:27:30.000 But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused.

01:27:34.000 Now, look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen.

01:27:41.000 Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past.

01:27:44.000 Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in.

01:27:51.000 What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment.

01:27:57.000 We've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction

01:28:03.000 Act has created jobs all across the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking

01:28:08.000 the EV technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred thousand jobs across the

01:28:12.000 country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sits in Minnesota. But my farmers

01:28:18.000 know climate change is real.

01:28:20.000 They've seen five hundred year droughts, five hundred year floods back to back.

01:28:23.000 But what they're doing is adapting, and this has allowed them to tell me, look, I harvest corn, I harvest soybean, and I harvest wind.

01:28:30.000 We are producing more natural gas and more oil at any time than we ever have.

01:28:34.000 We're also producing more clean energy.

01:28:37.000 So the solution for us is to continue to move forward that climate change is real.

01:28:43.000 Reducing our impact is absolutely critical, but this is not a false choice.

01:28:47.000 You can do that at the same time you're creating the jobs that we're seeing all across the country.

01:28:52.000 That's exactly what this administration has done.

01:28:54.000 We are seeing us becoming an energy superpower for the future, not just the current.

01:28:59.000 And that's what absolutely makes sense.

01:29:01.000 And then we start thinking about how do we mitigate these disasters.

01:29:06.000 Thank you.

01:29:06.000 Senator, I want to give you an opportunity to respond there.

01:29:09.000 The governor mentioned that President Trump has called climate change a hoax.

01:29:13.000 Do you agree?

01:29:13.000 effective answers.

01:29:14.000 What the president has said is that if the Democrats, in particular Kamala Harris and

01:29:19.000 her leadership, if they really believe that climate change is serious, what they would

01:29:23.000 be doing is more manufacturing and more energy production in the United States of America

01:29:27.000 and that's not what they're doing.

01:29:29.000 So clearly Kamala Harris herself doesn't believe her own rhetoric on this.

01:29:33.000 If she did, she would actually agree with Donald Trump's energy policies.

01:29:36.000 Now something Governor Walz said I think is important to touch upon because when we talk

01:29:40.000 about clean energy.

01:29:42.000 I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here.

01:29:45.000 I'm talking of course about the Democratic leadership and the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier. 0.98

01:29:58.000 We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.

01:30:02.000 Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components that go into those solar panels.

01:30:09.000 True.

01:30:10.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:30:10.000 the environment cleaner. You've got to invest in more energy production. We haven't built

01:30:14.000 a nuclear facility, I think, one in the past 40 years.

01:30:18.000 Natural gas, we've got to invest more in it. Kamala Harris has done the opposite. That's 1.00

01:30:22.000 raised energy prices and also meant that we're doing worse by the climate.

01:30:25.000 Senator, your time is up. Governor, would you like to respond?

01:30:27.000 Well, look, we're producing more natural gas than we ever have.

01:30:30.000 There's no moratorium on that.

01:30:32.000 We're producing more oil.

01:30:33.000 But the folks know, and like I said again, these are not liberal folks.

01:30:37.000 These are not folks that are Green New Deal folks.

01:30:39.000 These are farmers that have been drought one year, massive flooding the next year.

01:30:44.000 They understand that it makes sense.

01:30:45.000 Look, our number one export cannot be topsoil from erosion from these massive storms.

01:30:51.000 We saw it in Minnesota this summer.

01:30:53.000 And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this.

01:30:57.000 And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things.

01:31:02.000 The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future.

01:31:07.000 How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?

01:31:09.000 How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of?

01:31:14.000 But to call it a hoax and to take a The oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago say give me money for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want.

01:31:23.000 We can be smarter about that and an all-above-energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here. 1.00

01:31:29.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:31:31.000 The overwhelming consensus among scientists is that the Earth's climate is warming at an unprecedented rate.

01:31:36.000 Fake.

01:31:37.000 Not real.

01:31:37.000 We're going to turn now to immigration.

01:31:39.000 I love how she just throws the propaganda in there, right? 0.67

01:31:40.000 The crisis at the U.S.-Mexico border consistently ranks as one of the top issues for American voters.

01:31:47.000 Senator Vance.

01:31:49.000 They booked into that by saying climate change is real.

01:31:52.000 Never gonna happen.

01:31:52.000 Israel in American history and to use the US military to do so. Could you be

01:31:58.000 more specific about exactly how this will work? Never gonna happen. For example, would you

01:32:03.000 deport parents who have entered the US illegally and separate them from any of

01:32:08.000 their children who were born on US soil? That's a preview.

01:32:11.000 You have two minutes. So first of all Margaret, before we talk about deportations we have to stop

01:32:15.000 the We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies. 0.99

01:32:26.000 94 executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.

01:32:35.000 That has opened the floodgates.

01:32:36.000 And what it's meant is that a lot of fentanyl is coming into our country.

01:32:39.000 I had a mother who struggled with opioid addiction and has gotten clean.

01:32:43.000 I don't want people who are struggling with addiction to be deprived of their second chance

01:32:48.000 because Kamala Harris let in fentanyl into our communities at record levels. 0.99

01:32:52.000 So you've got to stop the bleeding.

01:32:55.000 You've got to reimplement Donald Trump's policies, build the wall, re-implement deportations.

01:33:00.000 And that gets me to your point, Margaret, about what do we actually do?

01:33:03.000 So we've got 20, 25 million illegal aliens who are here in the country.

01:33:07.000 What do we do with them?

01:33:08.000 I think the first thing that we do is we start with the criminal migrants. 1.00

01:33:11.000 About a million of those people have committed some form of crime in addition to crossing the border illegally.

01:33:17.000 I think you start with deportations on those folks.

01:33:20.000 And then I think you make it harder for illegal aliens to undercut the wages of American workers. 0.99

01:33:25.000 A lot of people will go home if they can't work for less than minimum wage in our own country.

01:33:29.000 And by the way, that'll be really good for our workers who just want to earn a fair wage for doing a good day's work.

01:33:35.000 And the final point, Margaret, is you ask about family separation.

01:33:38.000 Right now, in this country, Margaret, we have 320,000 children that the Department of Homeland Security has effectively lost.

01:33:46.000 Some of them have been sex trafficked.

01:33:47.000 Some of them, hopefully, are at homes with their families.

01:33:50.000 Some of them have been used as drug trafficking mules.

01:33:53.000 The real family separation policy in this country is, unfortunately, Kamala Harris's wide-open southern border. 1.00

01:34:00.000 And I'd ask my fellow Americans to remember, when she came into office, she said she was going to do this.

01:34:05.000 Real leadership would be saying, you know what?

01:34:07.000 I screwed up.

01:34:08.000 We're going to go back to Donald Trump's border policies.

01:34:10.000 I wish that she would do that.

01:34:11.000 It would be good for all of us.

01:34:14.000 Fake answer.

01:34:15.000 Mass deportations are not happening, obviously, based on that answer, which he has given many times.

01:34:25.000 Yeah, well, the drug mule is not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis, and the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history.

01:34:38.000 30% decrease in Ohio, but there's still more work to do.

01:34:41.000 But let's go back to this on immigration.

01:34:43.000 Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state and border state in California. 0.66

01:34:47.000 She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.

01:34:53.000 But look, we all want to solve this.

01:34:56.000 Most of us want to solve this.

01:34:58.000 And that is the United States Congress.

01:35:01.000 That's the Border Patrol agents.

01:35:02.000 That's the Chamber of Commerce.

01:35:03.000 That's most Americans out here.

01:35:05.000 That's why we had the fairest and the toughest bill on immigration that this nation's seen.

01:35:11.000 It was crafted by a conservative senator from Oklahoma, James Lankford.

01:35:16.000 I know him.

01:35:16.000 He's super conservative, but he's a man of principle.

01:35:18.000 Wants to get it done.

01:35:19.000 Democrats and Republicans worked on this piece of legislation.

01:35:22.000 The border patrol said, this is what we need in here.

01:35:24.000 These are the experts.

01:35:25.000 And the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal said,

01:35:27.000 pass this thing.

01:35:28.000 Kamala Harris helped get there.

01:35:30.000 1,500 new border agents, detection for drugs, DOJ money to speed up the adjudications on this.

01:35:38.000 Just what America wants.

01:35:39.000 But as soon as I was getting ready to pass and actually tackle this,

01:35:42.000 Donald Trump said no.

01:35:44.000 Told them to vote against it because it gives him a campaign issue.

01:35:48.000 It gives him to, what would Donald Trump talk about if we actually did some of these things.

01:35:52.000 And they need to be done by the legislature.

01:35:55.000 You can't just do this through the executive branch.

01:35:57.000 So look, we have the options to do this.

01:35:59.000 Donald Trump had four years.

01:36:01.000 He had four years to do this.

01:36:03.000 And he promised you, America, how easy it would be.

01:36:06.000 I'll build you a big, beautiful wall.

01:36:08.000 And Mexico will pay for it. 0.66

01:36:09.000 W.

01:36:10.000 Less than 2% of that wall got built.

01:36:12.000 And Mexico didn't pay a dime.

01:36:13.000 W.

01:36:14.000 But here we are again, nine years after he came down that escalator.

01:36:18.000 Dehumanizing people and telling them what he was going to do.

01:36:22.000 As far as a deportation plan, at one point, Senator Vance said it was so unworkable to be laughable.

01:36:27.000 So that's where we're at.

01:36:29.000 Pass the bill.

01:36:29.000 She'll sign it.

01:36:31.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:36:32.000 Senator, the question was will you separate parents from their children?

01:36:36.000 They're both doing pretty well.

01:36:37.000 Even if their kids are U.S.

01:36:39.000 citizens.

01:36:39.000 You have one minute.

01:36:40.000 Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border. 0.99

01:36:45.000 I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.

01:36:48.000 I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country and we know that they use children as drug mules and it is a disgrace and it has to stop.

01:36:58.000 Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.

01:37:01.000 For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy. 1.00

01:37:07.000 She did exactly that.

01:37:09.000 We had a record number of illegal crossings.

01:37:11.000 We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.

01:37:13.000 And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, She says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.

01:37:21.000 The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border. 0.91

01:37:33.000 This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.

01:37:38.000 Parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president again.

01:37:44.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:37:45.000 Governor, what about He's not going hard enough.

01:37:55.000 Look, we fixed this issue with a bill that is necessary, but the issue on this is, this is what happens when you don't want to solve it.

01:38:02.000 You demonize it.

01:38:04.000 And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about and saying I will create stories to bring attention to this.

01:38:11.000 That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield.

01:38:16.000 The Republican governor said, it's not true, don't do it.

01:38:21.000 There's consequences for this.

01:38:22.000 There's consequences.

01:38:23.000 We could come together.

01:38:24.000 Senator Lankford did it.

01:38:25.000 We could come together and solve this if we didn't let Donald Trump continue to make it

01:38:29.000 an issue.

01:38:30.000 And the consequences in Springfield were the governor had to send state law enforcement

01:38:36.000 to escort kindergartners to school.

01:38:38.000 I believe Senator Vance wants to solve this, but by standing with Donald Trump and not

01:38:43.000 working together to find a solution, it becomes a talking point.

01:38:46.000 And when it becomes a talking point like this, we dehumanize and villainize other human beings.

01:38:53.000 Governor, your time is up.

01:38:55.000 Senator, I'll give you one minute, but let me just ask you the question first.

01:38:59.000 The governor has made the point, and I think as a sitting lawmaker, you know that Congress controls the purse strings and any funding.

01:39:08.000 So you have said repeatedly that Donald Trump would, through executive action, solve this.

01:39:14.000 Do you disagree?

01:39:17.000 that Congress controls the purse strings and would need to support many of the changes

01:39:22.000 that you would actually want to implement.

01:39:24.000 You have one minute.

01:39:25.000 First of all, the gross majority of what we need to do at the southern border is just

01:39:28.000 empowering law enforcement to do their job.

01:39:30.000 I've been to the southern border more than our borders are.

01:39:32.000 Kamala Harris has been.

01:39:34.000 And it's actually heartbreaking because the Border Patrol agents, they just want to be

01:39:37.000 empowered to do their job.

01:39:39.000 Of course, additional resources would help.

01:39:41.000 But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement

01:39:45.000 to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.

01:39:49.000 You've got to go back through proper channels.

01:39:51.000 Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about

01:39:56.000 the things that I've said in Springfield.

01:39:58.000 Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools

01:40:05.000 You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.

01:40:07.000 You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes. 1.00

01:40:14.000 The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.

01:40:23.000 It is a disgrace, Tim.

01:40:24.000 And I actually think, I agree with you, I think you want to solve this problem, but I don't think that Kamala Harris does.

01:40:29.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:40:30.000 Governor, you have one minute to respond.

01:40:33.000 It is law enforcement that asked for the bill.

01:40:36.000 They helped craft it.

01:40:37.000 They're the ones that supported it.

01:40:39.000 That's because they know we need to do this.

01:40:42.000 Look, this issue of continuing to bring this up, of not dealing with it, of blaming migrants for everything.

01:40:49.000 On housing, we could talk a little bit about Wall Street speculators buying up housing and making them less affordable.

01:40:54.000 But it becomes a blame.

01:40:56.000 Look, this bill also gives the money necessary to adjudicate.

01:41:01.000 I agree it should not take seven years for an asylum claim to be done.

01:41:05.000 This bill gets it done in 90 days.

01:41:07.000 Then you start to make a difference in this and you start to adhere to what we know, American principles.

01:41:12.000 I don't talk about my faith a lot, but Matthew 25 40 talks about, to the least amongst us you do unto me.

01:41:19.000 I think that's true of most Americans.

01:41:21.000 They simply want order to it.

01:41:23.000 This bill does it, it's funded, it's supported by the people who do it, and it lets us keep our dignity about how we treat other people.

01:41:32.000 Thank you, Governor.

01:41:32.000 And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.

01:41:43.000 Well, Margaret, but... Senator, we have so much to get to.

01:41:46.000 Margaret, I think it's important because... We're going to turn out of the economy, thank you.

01:41:49.000 Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.

01:41:56.000 So there's an application called the CBP1 app.

01:41:59.000 Or you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.

01:42:10.000 That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.

01:42:14.000 That is the facilitation of illegal immigration, Margaret, by our OW leadership.

01:42:18.000 Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.

01:42:21.000 We have so much to get done, Senator.

01:42:23.000 Those laws have been on the books since 1990.

01:42:26.000 Thank you gentlemen.

01:42:31.000 Try getting it out.

01:42:33.000 Look at how the one on the left muted.

01:42:37.000 She's like, I'm gonna mute you. 1.00

01:42:39.000 Dude, fuck these bitches. 1.00

01:42:43.000 The economy is a top concern for voters. 1.00

01:42:47.000 Each of your campaigns has released an economic plan, so let's talk about the specifics.

01:42:51.000 You see the way she hit the button?

01:42:52.000 She's like, I'm gonna hit the button.

01:42:53.000 You just got muted. 1.00

01:42:54.000 Fucking bitch. 1.00

01:42:55.000 Good on Vance for sticking up for himself. 1.00

01:42:56.000 manufacturing, housing, and a renewed child tax credit.

01:43:00.000 The Wharton School says your proposals will increase the nation's deficit by $1.2 trillion.

01:43:07.000 How would you pay for that without ballooning the deficit?

01:43:10.000 Governor, I'll give you two minutes.

01:43:16.000 We both grew up in that.

01:43:17.000 We understand.

01:43:18.000 So those of you out there listening tonight, you're hearing a lot of stuff back and forth and it's good.

01:43:21.000 It's healthy.

01:43:22.000 That's what this is supposed to happen.

01:43:23.000 You should be listening.

01:43:24.000 How's this going to impact me?

01:43:26.000 The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue.

01:43:32.000 The one thing is, there's 3 million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house.

01:43:39.000 A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.

01:43:43.000 It's foundational to where you're at.

01:43:44.000 And then making sure that the things you buy every day, whether they be prescription drugs or other things, that there's fairness in that.

01:43:50.000 Look, the $35 insulin is a good thing, but it cost $5 to make insulin.

01:43:55.000 They were charging $800 before this law went into effect.

01:43:58.000 As far as the housing goes, I've seen it in Minnesota.

01:44:01.000 12% more houses in Minneapolis, prices went down on rent 4%.

01:44:05.000 It's working.

01:44:06.000 And then making sure tax cuts go to the middle class.

01:44:09.000 $6,000 child tax credit, we have one in Minnesota, reduces childhood poverty by a third.

01:44:14.000 We save money in the long run, and we do the right thing for families.

01:44:18.000 And then getting businesses off the ground.

01:44:19.000 The law as it stands right now is $5,000 tax credit for small business, increasing that

01:44:24.000 to $50,000.

01:44:25.000 Now, this is a philosophical difference between us.

01:44:27.000 Donald Trump made a promise, and I'll give you this, he kept it.

01:44:30.000 He took folks to Mar-a-Lago, said, you're rich as hell, I'm going to give you a tax

01:44:33.000 cut.

01:44:34.000 He gave the tax cuts that predominantly went to the top class.

01:44:36.000 What happened there was an $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest ever.

01:44:41.000 Now he's proposing a 20% consumption or sales tax on everything we bring in.

01:44:48.000 Everyone agrees, including businesses, it would increase inflation and potentially lead to a recession.

01:44:54.000 Are they referring to the tariffs?

01:44:55.000 This is simple for you.

01:44:56.000 Where are we going?

01:44:57.000 Kamala Harris has said to do the things she wants to do. 0.96

01:45:00.000 We'll just ask the wealthiest to pay their fair share. 0.93

01:45:02.000 When you do that, our system works best, more people are participating in it and folks have the things that they need.

01:45:09.000 Senator, I want to give you a moment to respond on that.

01:45:11.000 But similarly, the Wharton School has done an analysis of the Trump plan and says it would increase the nation's deficit by $5.8 trillion.

01:45:20.000 My question is the same for you.

01:45:22.000 Deficit or debt?

01:45:22.000 How do you pay for all that without ballooning the deficit?

01:45:26.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:45:27.000 Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.

01:45:31.000 A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.

01:45:37.000 Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it. 1.00

01:45:41.000 Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.

01:45:52.000 25 percent, drive the cost of housing higher by about 60 percent, open the American southern

01:45:58.000 border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.

01:46:02.000 If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then 1.00

01:46:07.000 she ought to do them now.

01:46:09.000 Not when asking for a promotion, but in the job the American people gave her three and

01:46:13.000 a half years ago.

01:46:14.000 And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.

01:46:19.000 Now Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record.

01:46:24.000 A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense, and they don't have wisdom.

01:46:31.000 Because Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world.

01:46:42.000 So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say look at the

01:46:47.000 record.

01:46:48.000 He delivered rising take-home pay for American workers.

01:46:50.000 Now Tim admirably admits that they want to undo the Trump tax cuts.

01:46:55.000 But if you look at what was so different about Donald Trump's tax cuts, even from previous

01:46:59.000 Republican tax cut plans, is that a lot of those resources went to giving more take-home

01:47:04.000 pay to middle class and working class Americans.

01:47:07.000 It was passed in 2017 and you saw an American economic boom unlike we've seen.

01:47:12.000 In a generation in this country.

01:47:14.000 That is a record that I'm proud to run on and we're going to get back to that common

01:47:17.000 sense wisdom so that you can afford to live the American dream again.

01:47:21.000 I know a lot of you are struggling.

01:47:23.000 I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.

01:47:26.000 It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.

01:47:30.000 Governor, do you want to respond to that?

01:47:31.000 What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class? 1.00

01:47:33.000 Well, Kamala Harris's day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy. 0.72

01:47:38.000 We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression.

01:47:45.000 Nine million jobs closed on that.

01:47:47.000 That was day one.

01:47:48.000 Whether it was the Infrastructure Act or other things, we moved.

01:47:50.000 Now, you made a question about experts said this.

01:47:53.000 I've made a note of this.

01:47:54.000 Economists Science can't be trusted.

01:47:58.000 National security folks can't be trusted.

01:48:02.000 If you're going to be president, you don't have all the answers.

01:48:04.000 Donald Trump believes he does.

01:48:06.000 My pro tip of the day is this.

01:48:08.000 If you need heart surgery, listen to the people at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, not Donald Trump.

01:48:13.000 And the same thing goes with this.

01:48:15.000 And I ask you out there, teachers, nurses, truck drivers, whatever.

01:48:19.000 How is it fair that you're paying your taxes every year, And Donald Trump hasn't paid any federal tax in the last 15 years.

01:48:25.000 And the last year as president.

01:48:27.000 That's what's wrong with the system.

01:48:29.000 There's a way around it, and he's bragged about that.

01:48:31.000 We're just asking for fairness in it, and that's all you want.

01:48:35.000 You have a minute.

01:48:36.000 Governor, you say trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.

01:48:44.000 They lied about that.

01:48:45.000 They said if we shipped our industrial base off to other countries, to Mexico and elsewhere, it would make the middle class stronger. 0.78

01:48:52.000 They were wrong about that.

01:48:53.000 They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it.

01:49:03.000 And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say

01:49:08.000 to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.

01:49:12.000 We're bringing American manufacturing back.

01:49:14.000 We're unleashing American energy.

01:49:16.000 We're going to make more of our own stuff.

01:49:17.000 And this isn't just an economic issue.

01:49:19.000 And I've got three beautiful little kids at home, seven, four, and two, and I love them

01:49:23.000 very much.

01:49:24.000 And I hope they're in bed right now.

01:49:25.000 But look, so many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals that we put in the bodies of our children

01:49:29.000 are manufactured by nations that hate us. 0.87

01:49:32.000 This has to stop. 1.00

01:49:35.000 Shut up. 1.00

01:49:35.000 I can't. 1.00

01:49:35.000 We keep getting that fucking line. 1.00

01:49:37.000 We're going to stop it by listening to common sense wisdom, which is what Donald Trump doesn't know. 0.99

01:49:40.000 Senator, Governor Walz, can you address that? 0.99

01:49:42.000 Shut up. 0.95

01:49:43.000 I mean, voters say they trust Donald Trump on the economy. 0.99

01:49:45.000 I can't. I can't.

01:49:46.000 If you're listening tonight and you want billionaires to get tax cuts, you heard what the numbers were.

01:49:51.000 Look, I'm a union guy on this.

01:49:55.000 I'm not a guy who wanted to ship things overseas, but I understand that, look, we produce soybeans and corn.

01:50:00.000 We need to have fair trading partners.

01:50:01.000 That's something that we believe in.

01:50:03.000 I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.

01:50:12.000 So the rhetoric is good.

01:50:14.000 Much of what the senator said right there, I'm in agreement with him on this.

01:50:17.000 I watched it happen too.

01:50:18.000 I watched it to my communities and we talked about that.

01:50:21.000 But we had People undercutting the right to collectively bargain.

01:50:25.000 We had right-to-work states made it more difficult.

01:50:27.000 We had companies that were willing to ship it over, and we saw people profit.

01:50:31.000 Folks that are venture capital in some cases, putting money into companies that will oversee.

01:50:37.000 We're in agreement that we bring those home.

01:50:38.000 Watch how he recoils.

01:50:39.000 Donald Trump is talking about it.

01:50:41.000 Kamala Harris has a record 250,000 more manufacturing jobs just out of the IRA. 0.94

01:50:46.000 May I respond to that?

01:50:47.000 Yes.

01:50:48.000 So appreciate that.

01:50:49.000 May I go to the bathroom?

01:50:50.000 If you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.

01:50:55.000 And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.

01:51:01.000 No, that's a gross generalization.

01:51:02.000 So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here.

01:51:06.000 Because you've got to play whack-a-mole.

01:51:07.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.

01:51:12.000 You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.

01:51:17.000 And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens. 0.99

01:51:26.000 I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt So that she could put food on the table in our household. 1.00

01:51:33.000 I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.

01:51:38.000 We can do so much better.

01:51:39.000 To all of you watching, we can get back to an America that's affordable again.

01:51:43.000 We just gotta get back to common sense economic principles.

01:51:46.000 I hope we have a conversation on healthcare then.

01:51:49.000 Senator, Governor.

01:51:49.000 Please.

01:51:50.000 Thank you, Margaret.

01:51:51.000 Kind of cooked him there.

01:51:52.000 We have a lot to get to ahead, gentlemen, on many topics, but right now I want to talk about personal qualifications.

01:51:59.000 The Vice President is often the last voice the President hears before making consequential decisions.

01:52:07.000 We want to ask you about your leadership qualities.

01:52:09.000 Governor Walz.

01:52:11.000 You said you were in Hong Kong during the deadly Tiananmen Square protests in the spring of 1989.

01:52:17.000 But Minnesota public radio and other media outlets are reporting that you actually didn't travel to Asia until August of that year.

01:52:26.000 Can you explain that discrepancy?

01:52:28.000 Well, and to the folks out there who didn't get at the top of this, look, I grew up in small rural Nebraska,

01:52:34.000 a town of 400, a town that you rode your bike with your buddies till the streetlights come on,

01:52:39.000 and I'm proud of that service.

01:52:40.000 I joined the National Guard at 17, worked on family farms, and then I used the GI Bill to become a teacher.

01:52:47.000 Passion about it.

01:52:48.000 A young teacher.

01:52:49.000 My first year out, I got the opportunity in the summer of 89 to travel to China.

01:52:54.000 35 years ago, be able to do that.

01:52:56.000 I came back home and then started a program to take young people there.

01:53:01.000 We would take basketball teams, we would take baseball teams, we would take dancers, and we would go back and forth to China.

01:53:07.000 The issue for that was, was to try and learn.

01:53:09.000 Now look, my community knows who I am.

01:53:12.000 They saw where I was at.

01:53:13.000 They Look, I will be the first to tell you, I have poured my heart into my community.

01:53:18.000 I've tried to do the best I can, but I've not been perfect.

01:53:21.000 And I'm a knucklehead at times, but it's always been about that.

01:53:24.000 Those same people elected me to Congress for 12 years.

01:53:28.000 And in Congress, I was one of the most bipartisan people working on things like farm bills that we got done, working on veterans benefits. 1.00

01:53:35.000 And then the people of Minnesota Hey idiot, you lied about being in China. 1.00

01:53:38.000 Insane deflection. 1.00

01:53:38.000 He should have just lied. 1.00

01:53:40.000 commitment has been from the beginning to make sure that I'm there for the people to make sure

01:53:44.000 that I get this right. I will say more than anything many times I will talk a lot I will

01:53:50.000 get caught up in the rhetoric but being there the impact it made the difference it made in my life.

01:53:56.000 I would make the case that Donald Trump should have come on one of those trips with us.

01:54:02.000 I guarantee you he wouldn't be praising Xi Jinping about COVID and I guarantee you he

01:54:08.000 wouldn't start a trade war that he ends up losing. So this is about trying to understand the world

01:54:14.000 it's about trying to do the best you can for your community.

01:54:18.000 Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

01:54:21.000 whether it be through teaching, which I was good at, or whether it was being a good soldier

01:54:25.000 or was being a good member of Congress, those are the things that I think are the values

01:54:29.000 that people care about.

01:54:31.000 Governor, just to follow up on that, the question was, can you explain the discrepancy?

01:54:36.000 All I said on this was, is I got there that summer and misspoke on this.

01:54:40.000 So I will just...

01:54:42.000 That's what I've said.

01:54:44.000 So I was in Hong Kong and China.

01:54:48.000 You weren't prepared for that? 1.00

01:54:49.000 What an idiot. 1.00

01:54:49.000 went in and from that I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance. 1.00

01:54:54.000 Insane crash shop. You weren't prepared for that?

01:54:57.000 Thank you Governor. Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump

01:55:02.000 unfit for the nation's highest office and you said he could be America's Hitler.

01:55:07.000 I know you've said you've been asked many times and you've said you regret those

01:55:11.000 comments and explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.

01:55:15.000 But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.

01:55:30.000 You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.

01:55:36.000 If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?

01:55:46.000 You have two minutes.

01:55:48.000 Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open.

01:55:50.000 And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.

01:55:56.000 I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.

01:56:02.000 But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.

01:56:06.000 Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.

01:56:15.000 And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.

01:56:21.000 It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed.

01:56:29.000 Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020.

01:56:31.000 Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round.

01:56:38.000 if Congress was doing its job.

01:56:41.000 I strongly believe, and I've been a United States Senator, that Congress is not just

01:56:44.000 a high class debating society.

01:56:46.000 It's not just a forum for senators and congressmen to whine about problems.

01:56:50.000 It's a forum to govern.

01:56:51.000 So there were a lot of things on the border, on tariffs for example, where I think that

01:56:55.000 we could have done so much more if the Republican Congress and the Democrats in Congress had

01:57:00.000 been a little bit better about how they govern the country.

01:57:03.000 They were so obsessed with impeaching Donald Trump, they couldn't actually govern.

01:57:06.000 I want to talk about this tariff issue in particular, Margaret, because Tim just accused

01:57:11.000 this of being a national sales tax.

01:57:14.000 Look, the one thing, and you're probably surprised to hear me praising Joe Biden, but the one

01:57:19.000 thing that Joe Biden did is he continued some of the Trump tariffs that protected American

01:57:24.000 manufacturing jobs.

01:57:25.000 And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.

01:57:34.000 Think about this.

01:57:34.000 If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless Our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage.

01:57:50.000 Senator, your time is up.

01:57:52.000 Nora?

01:57:53.000 Thank you.

01:57:54.000 Now to the issue of reproductive rights.

01:57:56.000 Good answer.

01:57:56.000 Governor Walz, after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.

01:58:07.000 Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine.

01:58:16.000 Yes or no?

01:58:16.000 Is that what you support?

01:58:18.000 I'll give you two minutes.

01:58:18.000 That's not what the bill says.

01:58:19.000 But look, this issue is what's on everyone's mind.

01:58:24.000 Donald Trump put this all into motion.

01:58:27.000 He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and overturned Roe v. Wade.

01:58:33.000 52 years of personal autonomy.

01:58:34.000 And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states.

01:58:37.000 It's a beautiful thing.

01:58:39.000 Amanda Zaworski would disagree with you on It's a Beautiful Thing.

01:58:42.000 A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks. 0.74

01:58:47.000 She has a complication, a tear in the membrane.

01:58:49.000 She needs to go in.

01:58:50.000 The medical care at that point needs to be decided by the doctor.

01:58:54.000 And that would have been an abortion. 1.00

01:58:55.000 But in Texas, that would have put them in legal jeopardy.

01:58:59.000 She went home, got sepsis, nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children.

01:59:04.000 Or in Kentucky, Hadley Duvall, a 12-year-old child raped and impregnated by her stepfather.

01:59:11.000 Those are horrific.

01:59:13.000 Now, when got asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs don't make a right.

01:59:17.000 There is no right in this.

01:59:19.000 So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe vs. Wade.

01:59:24.000 We made sure that we put Women in charge of their health care. 1.00

01:59:27.000 But look, this is not where, if you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will.

01:59:33.000 Their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies.

01:59:38.000 It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments.

01:59:47.000 For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I have a child.

01:59:52.000 That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.

01:59:56.000 And the catch-all on this is, is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.

02:00:03.000 That's not how this works.

02:00:04.000 This is basic human right.

02:00:06.000 We have seen maternal mortality skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the world.

02:00:14.000 This is about health care.

02:00:15.000 In Minnesota, we are ranked first in health care for a reason.

02:00:18.000 We trust women. 0.79

02:00:19.000 We trust doctors.

02:00:20.000 Senator, do you want to respond to the governor's claim?

02:00:22.000 Will you create a federal pregnancy monitoring agency?

02:00:26.000 No, certainly we won't.

02:00:28.000 And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.

02:00:35.000 And, you know, I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.

02:00:47.000 And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.

02:00:50.000 And I know she's watching tonight and I love you.

02:00:53.000 And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.

02:01:02.000 And I think that what I take from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue

02:01:17.000 where they frankly just don't trust us.

02:01:19.000 And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.

02:01:23.000 I want us as a Republican party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word.

02:01:28.000 I want us to support fertility treatments.

02:01:30.000 I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies. 1.00

02:01:33.000 I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home

02:01:36.000 so they can afford a place to raise that family.

02:01:39.000 And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front

02:01:42.000 just to give women more options. 0.97

02:01:45.000 Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically,

02:01:50.000 that we have a big country, and it's diverse.

02:01:53.000 And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.

02:01:56.000 Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona.

02:01:59.000 And the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is,

02:02:03.000 is to let voters make these decisions.

02:02:06.000 Let the individual states make their abortion policy.

02:02:09.000 And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.

02:02:18.000 Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions?

02:02:21.000 Yeah, well, the question got asked when Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.

02:02:26.000 Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states.

02:02:30.000 There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.

02:02:32.000 She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state.

02:02:35.000 Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care. 0.76

02:02:42.000 Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.

02:02:47.000 The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?

02:02:59.000 There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.

02:03:04.000 Effective rebuttal.

02:03:05.000 That's why the restoration of Roe vs. Wade. 0.99

02:03:07.000 That's why the Vance answer sucks.

02:03:08.000 When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject, and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same. 0.94

02:03:14.000 Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this.

02:03:18.000 I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what's happening.

02:03:20.000 His running mate, though, does not, and that's the problem.

02:03:23.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:03:24.000 Senator, let me ask you about that.

02:03:26.000 He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban.

02:03:28.000 In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.

02:03:34.000 In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world.

02:03:44.000 My question is, why have you changed your position?

02:03:48.000 Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.

02:03:51.000 I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard.

02:03:55.000 For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level.

02:04:00.000 I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.

02:04:06.000 But Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum.

02:04:11.000 In 2023, and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.

02:04:18.000 And I think that what I learned from that Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust.

02:04:23.000 So many young women would love to have families. 0.99

02:04:26.000 So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships. 0.81

02:04:33.000 And we have got to earn people's trust back.

02:04:36.000 And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing He thinks he's clever, that's the problem.

02:04:41.000 healthcare more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've

02:04:44.000 got to do a better job at that and that's what real leadership is.

02:04:48.000 Governor, your response?

02:04:49.000 Well, I'm going to respond on the pro-abortion piece of that.

02:04:52.000 No we're not.

02:04:53.000 We're pro-women.

02:04:54.000 We're pro-freedom to make your own choice.

02:04:57.000 We know what the implications are to not be that.

02:05:00.000 Women having miscarriages.

02:05:02.000 Women not getting the care. 0.75

02:05:04.000 Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.

02:05:08.000 And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's the state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.

02:05:15.000 We understand that too.

02:05:16.000 We know that the options need to be available and we make that true.

02:05:20.000 We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children.

02:05:25.000 But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all.

02:05:33.000 We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices and we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care. 1.00

02:05:49.000 Senator.

02:05:50.000 I may respond to that.

02:05:50.000 First of all, Governor, I agree with you.

02:05:52.000 Amber Thurman should still be alive, and there are a lot of people who should still be alive,

02:05:55.000 and I certainly wish that she was.

02:05:57.000 And maybe you're free to disagree with me on this and explain this to me,

02:06:01.000 but as I read the Minnesota law that you signed into law, the statute that you signed into law,

02:06:07.000 it says that a doctor who presides over an abortion where the baby survives,

02:06:12.000 the doctor is under no obligation to provide life-saving care to a baby who survives a botched late-term abortion.

02:06:18.000 That is, I think, what is...

02:06:19.000 Whether you're pro-choice or pro-abortion, that is fundamentally barbaric.

02:06:24.000 And that's why I use that word, Nora, is because some of what we've seen, do you want to force

02:06:28.000 Catholic hospitals to perform abortions against their will?

02:06:31.000 Because Kamala Harris is supported suing Catholic nuns to violate their freedom of conscience.

02:06:36.000 We can be a big and diverse country where we respect people's freedom of conscience

02:06:40.000 and make the country more pro-baby and pro-family.

02:06:42.000 But please.

02:06:43.000 Yes, Governor, please respond.

02:06:45.000 Look, this is one where there's always something there.

02:06:47.000 This is a very simple proposition.

02:06:50.000 These are women's decisions to make about their health care decisions and the physicians 0.80

02:06:54.000 who know best when they need to do this.

02:06:56.000 Trying to distort the way a law is written to try and make a point, that's not it at

02:07:00.000 What was I wrong about, Governor?

02:07:01.000 Please tell me, what was I wrong about?

02:07:02.000 That is not the way the law is written.

02:07:04.000 Look, I've given... But how?

02:07:06.000 I've given this advice on a lot of things, that getting involved, getting against... That's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate.

02:07:11.000 But the point on this is, is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.

02:07:17.000 I use this line on this, just mind your own business on this.

02:07:20.000 Things worked best when Roe vs. Wade was in place.

02:07:23.000 When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best.

02:07:26.000 That doesn't preclude us.

02:07:28.000 From increasing funding for children.

02:07:30.000 It doesn't increase us from making sure that once that child's born, like in Minnesota, they get meals.

02:07:36.000 They get early childhood education.

02:07:38.000 They get healthcare.

02:07:39.000 So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.

02:07:46.000 She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.

02:07:49.000 I asked a specific question, Governor.

02:07:50.000 You gave me a slogan as a response.

02:07:52.000 It's not the case.

02:07:53.000 It's not true.

02:07:54.000 That's not what the law says.

02:07:55.000 So you fact-checked it with President Trump.

02:07:58.000 Gentlemen, there's a lot to discuss.

02:07:59.000 We have to move on, and we're going to be right back with much more of the CBS News vice presidential debate in just a moment.

02:08:06.000 All right.

02:08:09.000 It's a pretty spirited debate.

02:08:11.000 I would say they're both doing pretty well.

02:08:13.000 I think that, um, I think Walls totally fumbled the China thing, that was embarrassing.

02:08:25.000 And I think that abortion topic dragged on far too long for Vance and I think he got

02:08:30.000 too clever.

02:08:32.000 So I think it's a draw.

02:08:33.000 I think Wahls and Vance, they're both doing an adequate job, you know, answering these

02:08:42.000 questions.

02:08:43.000 Obviously, each topic has strengths and weaknesses.

02:08:47.000 Immigration is a weak spot for Walz and a strong suit for Vance. 1.00

02:08:53.000 Abortion is a strong suit for Walz and a weak spot for Vance.

02:08:56.000 And I will say, I think Walz handled the abortion topic better than Vance handled immigration.

02:09:03.000 I think that, you know, the problem with this debate is there's no flair here.

02:09:10.000 My philosophy on presidential debates overall is that these extremely technical performances are not actually effective.

02:09:20.000 And by technical, I mean very technically sound.

02:09:23.000 I mean very high word count and precision and being articulate.

02:09:30.000 I actually think that matters a lot less.

02:09:33.000 In my opinion, debates, what is effective is raw, it's moments.

02:09:40.000 It's specific attacks, it's flair, it's charisma, humor.

02:09:46.000 Those are the moments that people remember and those are the things that actually have value.

02:09:51.000 I guarantee that, one, this debate will not have very high ratings.

02:09:56.000 It will have virtually no impact on the election.

02:09:58.000 It will probably be forgotten before Thursday.

02:10:03.000 So what the candidates are seeking to do here is not actually to answer the questions adequately.

02:10:10.000 It's not actually to make a good point.

02:10:13.000 It's to dunk.

02:10:14.000 It's to get in the highlight reel.

02:10:17.000 It's to do something with flair.

02:10:20.000 And I think neither candidate is really doing that.

02:10:22.000 I think they're both doing a very perfunctory job.

02:10:25.000 They're not really scoring points.

02:10:27.000 They're not running away with it.

02:10:29.000 They're giving kind of adequate answers.

02:10:31.000 I also think the answers are just a little bit too clever.

02:10:33.000 I think Vance is probably more articulate, has a better command of the facts.

02:10:39.000 I think that Walz is articulate in maybe a different way.

02:10:43.000 Vance is younger.

02:10:43.000 Walz is older.

02:10:45.000 Walz has more experience.

02:10:46.000 Vance is more wonky.

02:10:48.000 So I think they're both articulate in their own way.

02:10:51.000 But I think Walls maybe has a little more authenticity.

02:10:55.000 Vance is a little bit more slick.

02:10:59.000 And the authentic, I guess the weak spot being authentic is sometimes you get caught off guard and kind of trip over yourself, which he has.

02:11:07.000 I think the weak spot with being too slick is you come off inauthentic and fake.

02:11:14.000 At the end of the day, I don't think any of it really matters that much because so far there hasn't really been a moment.

02:11:21.000 The only big moment so far in the debate was when Walls embarrassed himself with the China answer.

02:11:28.000 And it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't good.

02:11:31.000 And on the other side, I think the moment with Vance is when he went on the offensive against the moderators.

02:11:36.000 I think he handled it well.

02:11:38.000 He reclaimed the time.

02:11:40.000 But then he fumbled it on the actual substance.

02:11:42.000 You know, the moderator did the fact check, and Vance was able to reclaim the time.

02:11:48.000 and able to talk, but then he went in and tried to introduce this new concept. He started talking

02:11:53.000 about the app for illegal immigrants. What he should have done was grandstand about the unfair 0.94

02:11:59.000 moderation. If you're able to reclaim the time, you got to talk about the tactics and say,

02:12:05.000 you said there'd be no fact checks.

02:12:07.000 This is BS.

02:12:08.000 Why are you drunk?

02:12:09.000 It's obviously biased.

02:12:11.000 You can't do fact checks.

02:12:12.000 It should have been something like that.

02:12:13.000 And that's the opportunity where you take it to do flair.

02:12:17.000 Make it simple.

02:12:18.000 Make it punchy.

02:12:20.000 Do it with charisma.

02:12:21.000 But again, it's too slick.

02:12:23.000 It's too clever.

02:12:24.000 It's too wonky.

02:12:25.000 It's not memorable.

02:12:26.000 It's not lasting.

02:12:28.000 So, you know, they're winning on technicality.

02:12:31.000 It's a very technical fight, but it's not effective.

02:12:34.000 We want to turn now to America's gun violence epidemic.

02:12:38.000 The leading cause of death for children and teens in America is by firearms.

02:12:44.000 Senator Vance.

02:12:45.000 You oppose most gun legislation that Democrats claim would curb gun violence.

02:12:49.000 You oppose red flag gun laws and legislation to ban certain semi-automatic rifles, including AR-15s. 0.98

02:12:56.000 Look at that fat ugly face. 0.99

02:12:57.000 So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison. 0.94

02:13:07.000 Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?

02:13:12.000 I'll give you two minutes.

02:13:13.000 Yeah, well, Norah, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.

02:13:19.000 I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no.

02:13:23.000 And the details really matter here, of course.

02:13:25.000 For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.

02:13:32.000 But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.

02:13:39.000 And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.

02:13:46.000 And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.

02:13:51.000 And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.

02:13:55.000 And we do have to do better.

02:13:57.000 And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.

02:14:00.000 The question is just how do we actually do it?

02:14:03.000 Now here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.

02:14:08.000 The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms.

02:14:17.000 And while we're on that topic, We know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.

02:14:26.000 So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.

02:14:32.000 But what do we do about the schools?

02:14:34.000 What do we do to protect our kids?

02:14:35.000 And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, Because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security.

02:14:46.000 But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools.

02:14:50.000 We have to make the doors lock better.

02:14:52.000 We have to make the doors stronger.

02:14:53.000 We've got to make the windows stronger.

02:14:55.000 And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.

02:15:05.000 So we've got to make our schools safer.

02:15:07.000 No common sense.

02:15:09.000 Governor, you have two minutes.

02:15:13.000 Well, I think all the parents watching tonight, this is your biggest nightmare.

02:15:16.000 Look, I got a 17-year-old and And he witnessed a shooting at a community center playing volleyball.

02:15:23.000 Those things don't leave you.

02:15:24.000 As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my seven-year-old picture on the wall.

02:15:33.000 Their seven-year-old were dead.

02:15:35.000 And they were asking us to do something.

02:15:37.000 And look, I'm a hunter.

02:15:38.000 I own firearms.

02:15:40.000 The Vice President is.

02:15:41.000 We understand that the Second Amendment is there, but our first responsibility is to our kids to

02:15:46.000 figure this out. In Minnesota, we've enacted enhanced red flag laws, enhanced background

02:15:52.000 checks, and we can start to get data. But here's the problem. If we really want to solve

02:15:57.000 this, we've got folks that won't allow research to be even done on gun violence. And this

02:16:03.000 idea that we should just live with it and I, here's what I do think, that this is a good start

02:16:08.000 to the conversation. I 100% agree that Senator Vance hates it when these kids, it's abhorrent

02:16:14.000 and it breaks your heart.

02:16:16.000 I agree with that, but it's, that's not far enough when we know there are things that

02:16:20.000 work. I've spent time in Finland and seen some Finnish schools. They don't have this

02:16:26.000 happen even though they have a high gun ownership rate in the country.

02:16:30.000 There are reasonable things that we can do to make a difference.

02:16:34.000 It's not infringing on your Second Amendment.

02:16:36.000 And the idea to have some of these weapons out there, it just doesn't make any sense.

02:16:41.000 Kamala Harris, as an Attorney General, worked on this issue. 0.96

02:16:45.000 She knows that it's there.

02:16:46.000 No one's trying to scaremonger and say we're taking your guns, but I ask all of you out there.

02:16:51.000 Do you want your schools hardened to look like a fort?

02:16:54.000 Is that what we have to go when we know there's countries around the world that their children aren't practicing these types of drills?

02:17:03.000 They're being kids.

02:17:04.000 We owe it to them to get a fix.

02:17:06.000 These are things that shouldn't be that difficult.

02:17:08.000 You can still keep your firearms and we can make a difference.

02:17:11.000 We have to.

02:17:12.000 If you're listening tonight, this breaks your heart.

02:17:15.000 Senator?

02:17:16.000 Tim, first of all, I didn't know that your 17-year-old witness is shooting.

02:17:18.000 I'm sorry about that, and I appreciate it.

02:17:20.000 Christ have mercy.

02:17:22.000 It is awful.

02:17:23.000 And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland, because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland.

02:17:34.000 First of all, we have way higher rates of mental health substance abuse.

02:17:41.000 We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.

02:17:44.000 We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.

02:17:55.000 Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.

02:18:05.000 And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys Put them away and take gun offenders off the streets.

02:18:13.000 I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.

02:18:18.000 Senator, thank you.

02:18:19.000 Governor, you previously opposed an assault weapons ban, but only later in your political career did you change your position.

02:18:25.000 Why?

02:18:25.000 Yeah, I sat in that office with those Sandy Hook parents.

02:18:28.000 I've become friends with school shooters.

02:18:29.000 I've seen it.

02:18:30.000 Look, the NRA, I was an NRA guy for a long time.

02:18:32.000 They used to teach gun safety.

02:18:34.000 I'm of an age where my shotgun was in my car so I could pheasant hunt after football practice.

02:18:39.000 That's not where we live today.

02:18:41.000 And several things I want to mention on this is Talking about cities and where it's at.

02:18:46.000 The number one where the most firearm deaths happen in Minnesota are rural suicides.

02:18:52.000 And we have an epidemic of children getting guns and shooting themselves.

02:18:56.000 And so we have and we should look at all of the issues.

02:19:01.000 Making sure folks have health care and all that, but I want to be very careful.

02:19:04.000 This idea of stigmatizing mental health, just because you have a mental health issue doesn't mean you're violent.

02:19:09.000 And I think what we end up doing is we start looking for a scapegoat.

02:19:13.000 Sometimes it just is the guns.

02:19:16.000 It's just the guns.

02:19:17.000 And there are things you can do about it.

02:19:19.000 But I do think that this is one, and I think this is a healthy conversation.

02:19:23.000 I think there's a capacity to find solutions on this that work, protect Second Amendment, protect our children.

02:19:28.000 That's our priority.

02:19:29.000 Gentlemen, thank you.

02:19:30.000 Margaret?

02:19:31.000 Thank you, Nora.

02:19:32.000 Let's turn now to the top contributor to inflation, the high cost of housing and rent.

02:19:38.000 There's a shortage of more than 4 million homes in the United States and that contributes to the high housing prices.

02:19:45.000 Governor Walz, the Harris campaign promises a $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers and a $10,000 tax credit.

02:19:56.000 They also promise to build 3 million new homes.

02:20:00.000 Where are you building these homes and won't handing out that kind of money just drive up prices higher?

02:20:05.000 No, it's not handing out.

02:20:06.000 We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity.

02:20:16.000 It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.

02:20:20.000 Those are not folks living in those houses.

02:20:22.000 Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal.

02:20:24.000 I bought and owned one house in my life.

02:20:27.000 My mom still lives in the house where I was, and when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family.

02:20:34.000 We need to make it more affordable.

02:20:36.000 And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead.

02:20:46.000 We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing.

02:20:52.000 It starts to make it easier.

02:20:53.000 We cut some of the red tape.

02:20:54.000 Local folks, look, we can't do it at the federal level, but local folks make it easier to build those homes. 0.81

02:20:59.000 And then that down payment assistance.

02:21:01.000 I can tell all of you out there, one of the Certainly for me, using the GI Bill was one thing, but a veteran's home loan?

02:21:09.000 The big thing about a veteran's home loan is you don't have to pay the down payment.

02:21:13.000 Those are things that make it there.

02:21:15.000 Now look, you're going to pay it back and you're going to pay your mortgage.

02:21:18.000 Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it.

02:21:23.000 And I will give Minneapolis an example.

02:21:25.000 Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.

02:21:28.000 We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in.

02:21:33.000 And we're implementing a state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance.

02:21:38.000 We get it back from people because here's what we know.

02:21:41.000 People with stable housing end up with stable jobs.

02:21:44.000 People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.

02:21:48.000 All of those things in the long run end up saving our money and that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in but we can't blame Immigrants, for the only reason, that's not the case that's happening in many cities.

02:22:00.000 The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.

02:22:11.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:22:13.000 Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.

02:22:27.000 Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?

02:22:34.000 You have two minutes.

02:22:35.000 Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.

02:22:39.000 We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim. 0.99

02:22:50.000 25 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country. 0.87

02:22:57.000 It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal aliens.

02:23:06.000 alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership.

02:23:09.000 Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas.

02:23:11.000 Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree

02:23:14.000 with, but the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer

02:23:19.000 to politics.

02:23:20.000 She is the sitting vice president.

02:23:22.000 If she wants to enact all of these policies to make housing more affordable, I invite 1.00

02:23:27.000 her to use the office that the American people already gave her, not sit around and campaign 0.99

02:23:32.000 and do nothing while Americans find the American dream of home ownership completely unaffordable.

02:23:38.000 Now you asked Margaret, what would immediately change the equation for American citizens?

02:23:43.000 If you lower energy prices, as Donald Trump says, drill, baby, drill.

02:23:48.000 One of the biggest drivers of housing costs aside from illegal immigration is think about

02:23:52.000 it.

02:23:53.000 If a truck driver is paying 40% more for diesel than the lumber he's delivering to the job

02:23:57.000 site to build the house is also going to become a lot more expensive.

02:24:01.000 If we open up American energy, you will get immediate pricing relief for American citizens.

02:24:07.000 Not, by the way, just in housing, but in a whole host of other economic goods, too.

02:24:10.000 Is that really the problem?

02:24:12.000 Senator Vance, you still have 23 seconds there.

02:24:15.000 Do you want to answer?

02:24:15.000 Can I have it?

02:24:18.000 Governor, we will get to you in a moment.

02:24:19.000 But, Senator, where are you going to seize the federal lands?

02:24:22.000 Can you clarify?

02:24:23.000 Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.

02:24:27.000 They're not being used for a national park.

02:24:28.000 They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing.

02:24:32.000 And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.

02:24:36.000 We have a lot of land that could be used.

02:24:38.000 We have a lot of Americans that need homes.

02:24:41.000 We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here. 1.00

02:24:48.000 Senator, your time is up.

02:24:50.000 Governor, I do want to let you respond to the allegation that the vice president is letting in migrants.

02:24:56.000 Of course that's not true and again you have the facts. I guess we agreed not to fact check.

02:24:59.000 I'll check it. Look, crossings are down compared to when Donald Trump left office.

02:25:03.000 But it's again blaming and not trying to find the solution.

02:25:06.000 I was going to ask on this question, are we going to drill and build houses in the same federal land?

02:25:11.000 And I think when people hear federal lands, these are really important pieces of land.

02:25:15.000 Now, Minnesota doesn't have a lot of federal lands.

02:25:17.000 I know in the Western part of the countries we do.

02:25:19.000 There's not a lot of federal lands in and around Minneapolis, for example.

02:25:24.000 So the issue is, is I don't understand the federal lands issue unless we see this.

02:25:27.000 And I worry about this as someone who cares deeply about our national parks and our federal lands.

02:25:32.000 Look, Minnesota, we protect these things.

02:25:34.000 Minnesota?

02:25:34.000 He has 20% of the world's fresh water in Minnesota?

02:25:36.000 protect. They're there for a reason. They belong to all of us. This is when you view housing and

02:25:42.000 you view these things as commodities. Like there's a chance to make money here. Let's take this

02:25:46.000 federal land and let's sell it to people for that. I think there's better ways to do this.

02:25:50.000 We've seen it in Minnesota where it was 20% of the world's fresh water in Minnesota. And I'm still

02:25:56.000 on this economist. You Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists.

02:26:01.000 Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost?

02:26:04.000 Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify.

02:26:11.000 There are many contributing factors to high housing costs.

02:26:14.000 What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?

02:26:19.000 Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.

02:26:22.000 We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices.

02:26:31.000 Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.

02:26:35.000 It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.

02:26:39.000 Look we are a country of builders, we're a country of doers, we're a country of explorers.

02:26:44.000 But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do.

02:26:59.000 And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes.

02:27:04.000 I actually agree with Tim Walz.

02:27:05.000 We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.

02:27:17.000 What are the federal regulations?

02:27:19.000 I deal with this as a governor.

02:27:21.000 You can very quickly reply.

02:27:22.000 I'm sorry.

02:27:23.000 I get this as a governor, and I don't necessarily disagree with that.

02:27:26.000 That in some cases, many of those are local, many of them are state.

02:27:30.000 I don't know which ones are federal, but I think whenever we talk regulations, people think they can get rid of them.

02:27:35.000 I think you want to be able to get out of your house in a fire.

02:27:38.000 I think you want to make sure that it's fireproof and those types of things.

02:27:41.000 So which are the regulations?

02:27:42.000 Because the vice president's not responsible for those.

02:27:45.000 Congress writes those.

02:27:47.000 Governor, thank you.

02:27:47.000 Gentlemen, we have a lot to get through.

02:27:50.000 You're passionate about the housing crisis, I can tell.

02:27:54.000 Nora?

02:27:54.000 Thank you.

02:27:55.000 One of the top problems facing Americans is the high cost of health care.

02:27:59.000 Senator Vance, at the last presidential debate, former President Trump was asked about replacing the Affordable Care Act.

02:28:06.000 In response, he said, I have concepts of a plan.

02:28:11.000 Since then, Senator, you've talked about changing how chronically ill Americans get health insurance.

02:28:16.000 Can you explain how that would work?

02:28:19.000 And can you guarantee that Americans with pre-existing conditions won't pay more?

02:28:24.000 I'll give you two minutes.

02:28:25.000 Well, of course.

02:28:26.000 We're gonna cover Americans with pre-existing conditions. 0.98

02:28:29.000 In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten healthcare.

02:28:32.000 I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.

02:28:42.000 And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark.

02:28:46.000 Look, it's very simple common sense.

02:28:48.000 I think as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage.

02:28:54.000 It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation.

02:29:01.000 Now, when Donald Trump was actually president—and again, he has a record to be proud of—prescription

02:29:05.000 drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's leadership.

02:29:11.000 Prescription drugs are up about 7 percent.

02:29:13.000 Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5 percent.

02:29:17.000 He introduced pricing transparency.

02:29:20.000 Think about health care.

02:29:21.000 You go into a hospital, you try to buy something, and nobody knows what it actually costs.

02:29:26.000 That price transparency will actually give American consumers a little bit more choice

02:29:30.000 and will also drive down costs.

02:29:32.000 And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.

02:29:36.000 Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non chronically ill, it's not just a plan.

02:29:46.000 He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.

02:29:51.000 And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along.

02:29:58.000 I think it's an important point about President Trump.

02:30:00.000 Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program.

02:30:13.000 Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care.

02:30:19.000 It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do, but I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better healthcare policies.

02:30:28.000 He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.

02:30:31.000 Governor?

02:30:32.000 All right, here's where being an old guy gives you some history. 0.72

02:30:34.000 I was there at the creation of the ACA.

02:30:38.000 And the reason it was so important is I come from a major health care state, home of the

02:30:44.000 Mayo Clinic, home to Medical Alley, 3M, Medtronic, all of those.

02:30:49.000 We understand health care.

02:30:50.000 It's why we're ranked first on affordability and accessibility and quality of health care.

02:30:55.000 And so what I know is under Kamala Harris, more people are covered than they have before.

02:31:00.000 Those of you listening, this is critical to you.

02:31:02.000 Now Donald Trump all of a sudden wants you to go back and remember this.

02:31:06.000 He ran on the first thing he was going to do on day one was to repeal Obamacare.

02:31:12.000 On day one, he tried to sign an executive order to repeal the ACA.

02:31:16.000 He signed on to a lawsuit to repeal the ACA but lost it to the Supreme Court.

02:31:23.000 And he would have repealed the ACA had it not been for the courage of John McCain to save that bill.

02:31:29.000 Now fast forward, what that means to you is you lose your pre-existing conditions.

02:31:34.000 If you're sitting at home and you got asthma, too bad.

02:31:36.000 If you're a woman, probably not. 0.99

02:31:38.000 Broke your foot during football, might kick you out.

02:31:40.000 Your kids get kicked out when they're 26.

02:31:43.000 Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.

02:31:47.000 We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that'll be there.

02:31:51.000 But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that.

02:32:00.000 But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept.

02:32:04.000 Because what he explained is pre-Obamacare.

02:32:07.000 And I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time.

02:32:11.000 What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?

02:32:16.000 So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure.

02:32:19.000 Because guess what happens?

02:32:20.000 You pay your premium.

02:32:21.000 It's not much.

02:32:22.000 They figure they're not going to have to pay out to you.

02:32:24.000 But those of you a little older, gray, you know, got cancer, you're going to get kicked out of it.

02:32:29.000 That's why the system didn't work.

02:32:31.000 Kamala Harris will protect and enhance the ACA.

02:32:35.000 Governor, thank you.

02:32:36.000 Senator, you have not yet explained how you would protect people with pre-existing conditions or laid out that plan.

02:32:42.000 Well, look, we currently have laws and regulations in place right now that protect people with pre-existing conditions.

02:32:48.000 We want to keep those regulations in place, but we also want to make the health insurance marketplace function a little bit better.

02:32:53.000 Now, what Governor Walz just said is actually not true.

02:32:57.000 A lot of what happened and the reason that Obamacare was crushing under its own weight

02:33:01.000 is that a lot of young and healthy people were leaving the exchanges.

02:33:04.000 Donald Trump actually helped address that problem, and he did so in a way that preserved

02:33:09.000 people's access to coverage who had pre-existing conditions.

02:33:13.000 But again, something that these guys do is they make a lot of claims about if Donald

02:33:19.000 Trump becomes president, all of these terrible consequences are going to ensue.

02:33:23.000 But in reality, Donald Trump was president.

02:33:25.000 Inflation was low.

02:33:26.000 Take home pay was higher.

02:33:28.000 And he saved the very program from a Democratic administration that was collapsing and would have collapsed absent his leadership.

02:33:36.000 He did his job, which is govern in a bipartisan way and get results, not just complain about problems, but actually solve them.

02:33:44.000 Governor, did enrollment under the Affordable Care Act go up under the Trump administration?

02:33:49.000 It's higher now that we've seen it go up.

02:33:51.000 Look, people are using it.

02:33:52.000 The system works.

02:33:53.000 And the question about this of young people or whatever, that's the individual mandate piece of this.

02:33:57.000 And Republicans fought tooth and nail saying, well, Americans should be free to do this.

02:34:01.000 Well, then what happens?

02:34:02.000 So you think the individual mandate's a good idea?

02:34:04.000 I think the idea of making sure the risk pool is broad enough to cover everyone, that's the only way insurance works.

02:34:09.000 When it doesn't, it collapses.

02:34:11.000 You are asking pre-ACA where we get people out.

02:34:14.000 Look, people know that they need to be on health care.

02:34:18.000 People expect it to be there.

02:34:21.000 And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, When we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then, when you get sick and old, it's there for you.

02:34:34.000 Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.

02:34:37.000 Good luck buying healthcare once you get past 70.

02:34:40.000 So look, the ACA works.

02:34:42.000 We can continue to do better.

02:34:43.000 Kamala Harris did that. 1.00

02:34:44.000 The way she made everything better was negotiating those 10 drugs on Medicare for the first time in American history.

02:34:50.000 Thank you.

02:34:51.000 Margaret?

02:34:51.000 Can I address that?

02:34:52.000 I apologize.

02:34:53.000 We're out of time.

02:34:54.000 We have a number of subjects to discuss.

02:34:55.000 Margaret?

02:34:56.000 Let's talk about families in America.

02:35:00.000 There is a child care crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents.

02:35:12.000 Governor Walz, you've said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.

02:35:19.000 How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns? 0.90

02:35:25.000 You have two minutes.

02:35:26.000 Yeah, well, that's negotiable.

02:35:28.000 And that's what Congress worked.

02:35:29.000 But here's what the deal is.

02:35:31.000 American sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.

02:35:35.000 Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.

02:35:38.000 Kamala Harris knows that in California.

02:35:41.000 Those companies provide paid family medical leave.

02:35:44.000 One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.

02:35:49.000 We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.

02:35:51.000 You have a child, you And I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born. 0.91

02:35:57.000 This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.

02:35:59.000 What we know is, that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.

02:36:06.000 So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.

02:36:08.000 We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.

02:36:11.000 That's how you become a pro-business state.

02:36:14.000 But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick.

02:36:25.000 We know what happens.

02:36:27.000 You end up staying home.

02:36:28.000 In some cases, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that.

02:36:32.000 This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us.

02:36:37.000 He's willing to give those Tax breaks to the wealthiest.

02:36:42.000 He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.

02:36:45.000 What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us.

02:36:49.000 And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them.

02:36:56.000 As far as child care on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side.

02:37:01.000 You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take care of our children, Or our parents to get paid the least amount of money.

02:37:08.000 And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that. 0.96

02:37:14.000 We were able to do it in Minnesota and I'm still telling you this.

02:37:17.000 We were listed as the best state.

02:37:19.000 We're still in crisis on this.

02:37:21.000 A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.

02:37:29.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:37:30.000 Senator, do you support a national paid leave program?

02:37:34.000 And if so, for how long should employers be mandated to pay their employees while they are home taking care of their newborn?

02:37:42.000 You have two minutes.

02:37:43.000 Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue.

02:37:47.000 And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.

02:37:51.000 I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator.

02:38:02.000 And I'm so proud of her.

02:38:03.000 But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from

02:38:11.000 a policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a 0.66

02:38:15.000 bigger company. But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I 1.00

02:38:21.000 think, makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want. A lot of

02:38:25.000 young women would like to go back to work immediately. Some would like to spend a little 1.00

02:38:28.000 time home with the kids.

02:38:29.000 Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids.

02:38:29.000 Some would like to spend longer at home with the kids. We should have a family care model

02:38:31.000 We should have a family care model that makes choice possible.

02:38:34.000 that makes choice possible. And I think this is a very important substantive difference

02:38:35.000 I think this is a very important substantive difference between Donald Trump and Kamala

02:38:39.000 Harris' approach.

02:38:40.000 I mean, look, if you look at the federal programs that we have that support paid family leave

02:38:45.000 right now, the Community Development Block Grant, and there's another block grant program

02:38:49.000 that spends a lot of money from the federal government.

02:38:51.000 These programs only go to one kind of child care model.

02:38:55.000 Let's say you'd like your church, maybe, to help you out with child care.

02:38:58.000 Maybe you live in a rural area or an urban area, and you'd like to get together with

02:39:02.000 families in your neighborhood to provide child care in the way that makes the most sense.

02:39:05.000 You don't get access to any of these federal monies.

02:39:08.000 We want to promote choice in how we deliver family care and how we promote child care,

02:39:14.000 because look, it is unacceptable.

02:39:16.000 And, you know, of course, Tim and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks, and one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care for their kids.

02:39:29.000 That is an incredible burden to put on American families.

02:39:33.000 We're the only country that does it.

02:39:34.000 I think we could do a heck of a lot better.

02:39:36.000 Senator, thank you.

02:39:38.000 You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family.

02:39:44.000 The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing each month.

02:39:52.000 So I want to get your thoughts on this.

02:39:54.000 President Trump recently said, As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.

02:40:07.000 Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?

02:40:13.000 You have one minute.

02:40:14.000 Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.

02:40:32.000 It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.

02:40:34.000 Cut taxes for American workers and American families.

02:40:38.000 Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America.

02:40:42.000 But penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.

02:40:46.000 That's the heart of the economic proposal.

02:40:48.000 And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.

02:41:02.000 Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage?

02:41:07.000 Well, because as Tim said, a lot of the childcare shortages, we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options.

02:41:16.000 And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money.

02:41:20.000 We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide childcare options for American families. 0.52

02:41:24.000 Because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.

02:41:31.000 Thank you, Senator.

02:41:32.000 Governor Walz, your ticket also has some childcare tax credit proposals.

02:41:38.000 Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised?

02:41:47.000 This is boring, but who cares?

02:41:47.000 Is it realistic?

02:41:49.000 Well, if these members of Congress are listening to anybody, I can tell you.

02:41:52.000 And this is the biggest issue.

02:41:54.000 Everybody listening tonight knows.

02:41:56.000 I mean, I'm sure they were shocked to hear it's not that expensive.

02:41:59.000 And let's be clear, whether it's $5,000 or $6,000, that pays you about three or four months.

02:42:04.000 Let's be clear of where we're at on this.

02:42:05.000 It's because we got out of an imbalance on this.

02:42:07.000 It's like a female issue. 1.00

02:42:08.000 We thought we were going to get by by not paying people.

02:42:09.000 I don't think Senator Vance and I are that far apart.

02:42:12.000 I'm not opposed to what he's talking about on options.

02:42:14.000 We've done scholarship types of things.

02:42:16.000 I think we need to be open to making the case.

02:42:18.000 But the issue here is, the question you asked is, you're not going to pay for it with these

02:42:22.000 tariffs.

02:42:23.000 That's just adding another $4,000 on the family and taking less. 0.97

02:42:26.000 So not only do they not get the money to pay for that.

02:42:29.000 They're $4,000 in the hole.

02:42:30.000 That's Wharton School.

02:42:31.000 That's his alma mater.

02:42:33.000 And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not, when I go to businesses, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead with childcare and they will lead with housing.

02:42:44.000 Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy's growing but we need the workforce.

02:42:50.000 Governor, thank you.

02:42:52.000 We need to move on. 0.99

02:42:52.000 Damn, that's crazy. 0.99

02:42:53.000 Let's talk about the state of democracy, the top issue for Americans after the economy and inflation. 0.99

02:42:59.000 The state of democracy?

02:43:00.000 After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.

02:43:07.000 Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.

02:43:17.000 The governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th.

02:43:30.000 They lied.

02:43:31.000 Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.

02:43:39.000 That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.

02:43:43.000 Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results?

02:43:45.000 Of course it's constitutional!

02:43:47.000 Even if every governor certifies the results?

02:43:51.000 I'll give you two minutes.

02:43:52.000 Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.

02:43:55.000 We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on. 0.99

02:44:03.000 But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.

02:44:05.000 Okay.

02:44:05.000 Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues, peacefully, in the public square, and that's all I've said, and that's all that Donald Trump has said.

02:44:19.000 He said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully.

02:44:23.000 And on January the 20th, what happened?

02:44:25.000 Joe Biden became the president.

02:44:27.000 Donald Trump left the White House.

02:44:29.000 And now, of course, unfortunately, we have all of the negative policies that have come from the Harris-Biden administration.

02:44:35.000 I believe that we actually do have a threat to democracy in this country, but unfortunately,

02:44:40.000 it's not the threat to democracy that Kamala Harris and Tim Walz want to talk about.

02:44:44.000 It is the threat of censorship.

02:44:46.000 It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.

02:44:52.000 It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens.

02:44:55.000 And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans, 0.96

02:45:00.000 she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.

02:45:03.000 I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years.

02:45:10.000 Now, I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr.

02:45:18.000 and Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition.

02:45:21.000 And, of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue.

02:45:24.000 We don't have to agree on every issue.

02:45:26.000 But we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences.

02:45:32.000 We ought to argue about them.

02:45:33.000 them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans Kamala Harris is 0.98

02:45:36.000 engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during COVID. She's done

02:45:42.000 it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to

02:45:45.000 democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should

02:45:50.000 peacefully protest on January the 6th. Governor? Good answer.

02:45:54.000 Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things, and I think I might have with the Senator.

02:46:01.000 Me too, man.

02:46:03.000 There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.

02:46:08.000 Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.

02:46:14.000 He was very clear.

02:46:15.000 I mean, he lost this election, and he said he didn't.

02:46:19.000 A hundred and forty police officers were beaten at the Capitol that day.

02:46:22.000 Some with the American flag.

02:46:24.000 Several later died.

02:46:24.000 And it wasn't just in there.

02:46:26.000 In Minnesota, a group gathered on the state capitol grounds in St.

02:46:30.000 Paul and said, we're marching to the governor's residence and there may be casualties.

02:46:34.000 The only person there was my son and his dog, who was rushed out crying by state police.

02:46:40.000 That issue, and Mike Pence standing there as they were chanting, hang Mike Pence.

02:46:46.000 Mike Pence made the right decision.

02:46:47.000 So, Senator, it was adjudicated over and over again.

02:46:50.000 My son cried.

02:46:52.000 I worked with kids long enough to know, and I said as a football coach, sometimes you really want to win.

02:46:55.000 Why would you admit that?

02:46:56.000 But the democracy is bigger than winning an election.

02:46:59.000 You shake hands, and then you try and do everything you can to help the other side win.

02:47:03.000 That's what was at stake here.

02:47:05.000 Now, the thing I'm most concerned about is the idea that Imprisoning your political opponents.

02:47:13.000 Already laying the groundwork for people not accepting this.

02:47:16.000 And a president's words matter.

02:47:17.000 Kind of ironic, isn't it?

02:47:18.000 A president's words matter.

02:47:20.000 People hear that.

02:47:22.000 So, I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history, That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.

02:47:43.000 And here we are, four years later, in the same boat.

02:47:46.000 I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.

02:47:53.000 This has got to stop.

02:47:54.000 It's tearing our country apart.

02:47:56.000 Margaret?

02:47:58.000 Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?

02:48:00.000 Yeah, well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.

02:48:15.000 We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election, and of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win, but if Tim Walz is the next Vice President, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.

02:48:27.000 But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.

02:48:33.000 Hillary Clinton, in 2016, said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.

02:48:43.000 This has been going on for a long time.

02:48:46.000 And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.

02:48:50.000 But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.

02:48:55.000 January 6th was not Facebook ads. And I think a revisionist history on this. Look, I don't understand.

02:49:04.000 Really?

02:49:04.000 how we got to this point. But the issue was that happened.

02:49:09.000 Donald Trump can you do it? And all of us say there's no place for this. It has

02:49:12.000 massive repercussions.

02:49:13.000 This idea that there's censorship to stop people from doing, threatening to

02:49:18.000 kill someone, threatening to do something, that's not, that's not censorship.

02:49:21.000 Censorship is book banning. We've seen that. We've seen that brought up. Oh brother. I just think for everyone

02:49:27.000 tonight. Give me a break. I'm gonna thank Senator Vance. I think this is the

02:49:32.000 conversation they want to hear. And I think there's a lot of agreement. This is

02:49:35.000 one that we are miles apart on. This was a threat to our democracy in a way that

02:49:40.000 we had not seen. And it manifested itself because of Donald Trump's inability to

02:49:44.000 say. He is still saying he didn't lose the election. I would just say that.

02:49:48.000 Did he lose the 2020 election?

02:49:50.000 Tim, I'm focused on the future.

02:49:52.000 Did Kamala Harris censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 COVID situation?

02:49:59.000 That is a damning non-answer.

02:50:02.000 It's a damning non-answer for you to not talk about censorship.

02:50:05.000 Obviously, Donald Trump and I think that there were problems in 2020.

02:50:08.000 We've talked about it.

02:50:09.000 I'm happy to talk about it further.

02:50:11.000 But you guys attack us for not believing in democracy.

02:50:15.000 The most sacred right under the United States democracy is the First Amendment.

02:50:19.000 You yourself have said there's no First Amendment right to misinformation.

02:50:23.000 Kamala Harris wants to use the power of the government and big tech to silence people 1.00

02:50:28.000 from speaking their minds.

02:50:29.000 That is a threat to democracy that will long outlive this present political moment.

02:50:33.000 I would like Democrats and Republicans to both reject censorship.

02:50:37.000 Let's persuade one another.

02:50:39.000 Let's argue about ideas.

02:50:40.000 And then let's come together afterwards.

02:50:42.000 You can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

02:50:44.000 That's the test.

02:50:45.000 That's the Supreme Court test.

02:50:46.000 Tim, fire in a crowded theater.

02:50:48.000 You guys wanted to kick people off of Facebook for saying that toddlers shouldn't wear masks.

02:50:52.000 Senator, the governor does have the floor.

02:50:54.000 That's not fire in a crowded theater.

02:50:56.000 That is criticizing the policies of the government, which is the right of every American.

02:51:00.000 Senator, the governor does have the floor for one minute to respond to you.

02:51:05.000 I don't run Facebook.

02:51:06.000 What I do know is, is I see a candidate out there who refused and now again, and I'm pretty shocked by this, he lost the election.

02:51:14.000 This is not a debate.

02:51:15.000 It's not anything anywhere other than in Donald Trump's world.

02:51:20.000 Because look, when Mike Pence made that decision to certify that election, that's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage.

02:51:29.000 What I'm concerned about is, where is the firewall with Donald Trump?

02:51:35.000 Where is the firewall if he knows he could do anything, including taking an election, and his vice president's not going to stand to it?

02:51:44.000 That's what we're asking you, America.

02:51:46.000 Will you stand up?

02:51:48.000 Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't?

02:51:52.000 And I think Kamala Harris would agree.

02:51:54.000 She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that.

02:51:57.000 Because, of course, that's what we would do.

02:51:59.000 So, America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump.

02:52:06.000 Governor, your time is up.

02:52:08.000 Thank you, gentlemen.

02:52:10.000 We will be right back with both of our candidates.

02:52:13.000 The CBS News vice presidential debate continues.

02:52:18.000 I hate when that's so unprofessional when they do this sort of smirky, act like you've been there before, you know?

02:52:24.000 We'll be right back.

02:52:26.000 Like, come on.

02:52:27.000 How about a little decorum? 0.99

02:52:29.000 Yeah, so this debate is just like boring and pointless and kind of dumb. 0.97

02:52:37.000 No one's winning. 0.95

02:52:38.000 The problem is they're both too agreeable.

02:52:45.000 And what's really interesting is they're really like the same person.

02:52:49.000 Vance and Walls were both chosen to be like the white person whisperer.

02:52:58.000 Vance was chosen from Ohio, which used to be a swing state, now goes 10 points with Republicans because the people are culturally deeply conservative.

02:53:08.000 Minnesota was a swing state in the past.

02:53:12.000 Now Democrats win it by 10 points, full of white people, many rural farmers, things like that, but deeply culturally liberal.

02:53:23.000 And they're both chosen to speak to these different like white demographics with a folksy American heartland kind of deal.

02:53:34.000 And the policies are very similar.

02:53:35.000 So they're really like deploying in this debate.

02:53:38.000 It's like the clone.

02:53:40.000 And one and the other are really not that much different other than on some of the cultural issues.

02:53:47.000 Um, like the school shootings, abortion, you know, the big ones, I guess.

02:53:53.000 But I don't think they're that much different either way. 0.86

02:53:55.000 I will say about Vance, he's just a fake.

02:54:00.000 And he sounds good.

02:54:02.000 I think he had an effective performance tonight.

02:54:04.000 I think he did a good job.

02:54:05.000 He was clearly the better debater, more articulate, I think more clever.

02:54:11.000 But Vance is also somebody who I think is very good at just saying what he thinks people want to hear.

02:54:16.000 And that's why I think he was so agreeable with Walz.

02:54:19.000 I think that's what colored a lot of his answers.

02:54:24.000 And I think in many, in some of these answers, I think that was a deep flaw.

02:54:31.000 Like on abortion, he said, oh, I think Republicans don't have the trust of women.

02:54:37.000 And that was not a great thing to say.

02:54:39.000 I think that's kind of what women think, and that's definitely true, but you don't admit that. 0.99

02:54:45.000 That's not actually a good posture.

02:54:48.000 But I think this over-agreeableness, it's being a chameleon.

02:54:53.000 I think that's obviously a put-on.

02:54:55.000 That's an act.

02:54:56.000 He's saying what people want to hear.

02:54:59.000 I think what he thinks would go over the best, what will go over well with people, It's a self-conscious act.

02:55:08.000 And that's why even though some of the answers are good, and I agree with some of it, I also think he's somebody that says what he thinks is gonna work.

02:55:18.000 And you can't trust someone like that.

02:55:19.000 I think we know who he is very clearly based on where he comes from and his world.

02:55:26.000 Which is Peter Thiel, this weird photographer position that he had when he was in the Marines.

02:55:32.000 Somehow he's at Yale, has a venture capital fund funded by Peter Thiel.

02:55:37.000 I don't trust him at all.

02:55:38.000 I think he's an intelligence asset.

02:55:41.000 I think he's very good at telling people what they like to hear.

02:55:43.000 And I think the answers are less effective as a result.

02:55:48.000 You know, on the abortion issue in particular, look, Republicans don't, it's not a winning issue for them, obviously.

02:55:55.000 Women don't support the Republican position. 1.00

02:55:58.000 If that's the case, you have to go into it understanding that and just push the Republican position that is going to win over the Republican voters.

02:56:06.000 What I mean by that is the people that don't like Republicans on abortion, already don't like Republicans on abortion. If you go out

02:56:14.000 and say something pro-life, you're not necessarily going to alienate anybody that isn't

02:56:19.000 already alienated.

02:56:21.000 So the room for loss on that issue is with the people that do support you. That's why you go

02:56:28.000 up and say something pro-life anyway. You're not actually going to lose anybody.

02:56:33.000 You're only going to bolster the people that support you on the issue.

02:56:36.000 But because he's so deeply self-conscious of the issue and trying to appeal to the most, he's going to go up and say, well, everyone hates us and we got to do a better job.

02:56:47.000 That's like the perfect case study in why being a fake doesn't work.

02:56:52.000 Well, thank you, Senator Vance.

02:56:54.000 Thank you to CBS News.

02:56:55.000 And most importantly, thank you to all of you.

02:56:58.000 If you're still up and the folks who missed Dancing with the Stars, I appreciate it.

02:57:01.000 But look, the support of the democracy matters.

02:57:04.000 It matters that you're here.

02:57:06.000 And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there.

02:57:16.000 And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.

02:57:21.000 They believe in a positive future of this country, and one where our politics can be better than it is.

02:57:27.000 And I have to tell you, that better than it is, is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone.

02:57:36.000 Not just to get by, but to get ahead.

02:57:39.000 And the idea that freedom really means something.

02:57:41.000 Not the freedom of government to be in your bedroom or exam room, but the freedom for you to make choices about yourself.

02:57:47.000 Now look, we all know who Donald Trump is.

02:57:50.000 He's told us, and as Maya Angelou said, believe him when he told you that.

02:57:54.000 His first inaugural address talked about American carnage.

02:57:56.000 And then he spent four years trying to maybe do that.

02:58:00.000 Senator Vance tonight made it clear he will stand with Donald Trump's agenda.

02:58:06.000 He will continue to push down that road.

02:58:08.000 Excuse me.

02:58:10.000 Kamala Harris gives us a different option.

02:58:12.000 Now I'll have to tell you, I'm going to be careful about the quotes, but there's one that Senator Vance said that does resonate with me.

02:58:18.000 He said Donald Trump makes the people I care about afraid.

02:58:22.000 A lot of America feels that way.

02:58:24.000 We don't need to be afraid.

02:58:26.000 Franklin Roosevelt was right. 0.73

02:58:27.000 All we have to fear is fear itself.

02:58:29.000 Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.

02:58:32.000 She's bringing us a politics of joy, she's bringing real solutions for the middle class, and she's centering you at the heart of that.

02:58:39.000 All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.

02:58:51.000 I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris.

02:58:54.000 Governor Walz, thank you.

02:58:56.000 Senator Vance, your closing statement.

02:58:58.000 Well I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.

02:59:04.000 One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.

02:59:06.000 And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight.

02:59:16.000 And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.

02:59:28.000 That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies. 1.00

02:59:32.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.

02:59:37.000 That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. 1.00

02:59:40.000 I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.

02:59:43.000 You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.

02:59:46.000 You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl.

02:59:49.000 And that, too, has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies. 1.00

02:59:53.000 Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed. 0.99

03:00:03.000 She's been the vice president for three and a half years.

03:00:07.000 Day one was 1400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse. 1.00

03:00:13.000 Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.

03:00:16.000 I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity

03:00:22.000 to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.

03:00:25.000 What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country,

03:00:30.000 the most incredible people anywhere in the world, but they're not going to be able to

03:00:34.000 achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.

03:00:40.000 They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.

03:00:46.000 We need change.

03:00:47.000 We need a new direction.

03:00:49.000 We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well.

03:00:53.000 Please vote for Donald Trump and whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you.

03:01:00.000 God bless you and good night.

03:01:01.000 Center Vance, thank you.

03:01:04.000 And thank you both for participating in the only vice presidential debate of this election cycle.

03:01:10.000 I'm Margaret Brennan.

03:01:11.000 And I'm Nora O'Donnell.

03:01:12.000 And a reminder, there are just 35 days until election day.

03:01:16.000 Please get out and vote.

03:01:17.000 And for all of us here at CBS News, thank you.

03:01:20.000 There it is.

03:01:21.000 Yeah.

03:01:24.000 There it is, the handshake.

03:01:27.000 Yeah, sort of a blast from the past.

03:01:31.000 If you're old enough, or if you've watched it, that is how most presidential debates used to be before Donald Trump.

03:01:41.000 Before Donald Trump made them awesome.

03:01:43.000 Oh, there's Usha.

03:01:45.000 Oh, so lovely.

03:01:46.000 Yeah, this is how presidential debates used to be.

03:01:51.000 Mitt Romney and Obama, John McCain and Obama, Bush and Kerry, Bush and Gore.

03:01:58.000 That's how debates used to be.

03:02:00.000 They were very wonky, very civil, very boring, no fireworks.

03:02:07.000 That's just how it is.

03:02:09.000 And I think that probably favors Democrats.

03:02:13.000 Because I think that, you know, here's what we have to understand.

03:02:18.000 These debates are not happening in a vacuum.

03:02:20.000 They're happening in the context of an intense environment of media programming.

03:02:28.000 So if you watch CBS or ABC or NBC on a typical night, it is constant, unceasing, over-the-top liberal propaganda about climate change, about democracy, about shootings, about race.

03:02:46.000 And so if the debate is a wonky, boring debate, Well, the rules have already been defined.

03:02:54.000 The victory condition has already been defined by the moderators.

03:02:59.000 And a presidential candidate can't articulate and promulgate a completely alternative worldview with the economy of the speaking time they have in the debate.

03:03:10.000 You can't answer a question about You know, they ask about climate change.

03:03:15.000 You can't repudiate climate change in a presidential debate, but yet somehow you're supposed to answer satisfactorily about climate change-related policy.

03:03:26.000 It's a massive disadvantage.

03:03:28.000 And what Trump understood uniquely—here's why I'm arguing for the Trump style.

03:03:33.000 Is that you're not only fighting the opponent, you're also fighting the media.

03:03:37.000 You're also fighting this matrix, this created reality that the population inhabits because the media is biased, because the ecosystem is saturated by the other side.

03:03:50.000 The only way to punch through that is with tactics.

03:03:57.000 It's with bombastic rhetoric.

03:04:00.000 It's with very strong, bold, and a kind of like shamelessness that Trump has.

03:04:08.000 It's a lack of self-awareness, where Trump would come in and say, they're raping everybody, climate change is a hoax, this and that, and it was bold, he's not thinking twice, he's not looking over his shoulder, it's not filled with self-doubt or self-consciousness.

03:04:25.000 He said, he asserted the worldview that his followers believe in, and yeah, liberals don't agree with that, and it's going to be shocking to liberals, and they're going to make faces, and they're going to go, ugh, they're going to scoff at it.

03:04:42.000 But he bypassed the moderators, bypassed the media, bypassed the ecosystem.

03:04:50.000 And I think that's how he was able to hijack the media and make it effective for a Republican.

03:04:56.000 What Vance demonstrated in this debate is, I think, really the weakness of the Republican program.

03:05:02.000 They ask about climate change, and Vance comes in with this kind of like, well, let's say for the sake of argument that climate change is real and has something to do with emissions.

03:05:13.000 And he goes, because I don't want to get into science, because you know, again, you're not winning that one.

03:05:19.000 You're not overturning that in this debate.

03:05:21.000 He goes, well, if all that is true, well, Then we need to reshore manufacturing?

03:05:29.000 And then Walls gives the correct answer, the liberal correct answer on how we're going to fix climate change.

03:05:37.000 And same thing on school shootings.

03:05:39.000 School shootings, if we're being honest, that's not actually the biggest threat that people are facing. 0.98

03:05:47.000 When it comes to guns and when it comes to public safety, the big problem is black people in major cities. 1.00

03:05:53.000 Everyone knows that. 0.97

03:05:55.000 Are you more afraid of going to a classroom because a white kid's going to show up with a gun?

03:06:00.000 Are you more afraid of going on public transportation, any major city at night, leaving a car parked unattended with luggage inside of it?

03:06:10.000 Obviously, it's the latter.

03:06:11.000 Well, what's the more imminent common problem?

03:06:14.000 It's that.

03:06:15.000 It's a lack of policing because of race.

03:06:19.000 So when they set up the question, what are you going to do about school shootings, what does Vance say?

03:06:23.000 Vance says, well, it's really terrible, and we all want to fix it.

03:06:27.000 The question is how, and we need more security in schools.

03:06:32.000 It's like, well, we really don't.

03:06:35.000 You know, we have 400 million guns in the country.

03:06:37.000 We have 350 million people.

03:06:40.000 People are gonna get guns, and they're gonna do bad stuff with them. 0.95

03:06:44.000 Consequently, the vast majority of the people that do those things are black people, and it's typically gang-related, and it's not antisocial, mass casualty violence or mental illness. 0.99

03:06:56.000 It's low IQ, black people, no fathers in the home, that kind of thing. 1.00

03:07:03.000 And so you understand that instead of, like, reframing the question in a punchy, sensational, provocative way, in an incisive way, with rhetoric, Vance does this kind of, like, self-conscious, self-hating, like, hey, I know Republicans suck on the issue, but look, school shootings are what they are, we need to fortify the schools.

03:07:24.000 This is an answer that really does nothing for Republicans, because liberals have the better answer, given the premise which liberals set.

03:07:33.000 Liberals set the table and then they come in with the correct offering, with the better offering.

03:07:40.000 A Republican like Vance comes in, acknowledges, hey, you know, I know everyone hates us and we suck, but here's what we're going to say anyway. 0.68

03:07:50.000 It's a losing position. 0.81

03:07:52.000 And of course, Walz comes in with the better answer.

03:07:55.000 Yeah, well, maybe Vance doesn't want school shootings.

03:07:58.000 I probably believe him.

03:08:00.000 But that's not enough.

03:08:01.000 We need to do more.

03:08:03.000 The NRA.

03:08:04.000 And yeah, that's the correct answer to the loaded question.

03:08:08.000 And it's like that on all of it.

03:08:10.000 It's like that with climate change, school shootings, democracy, all that stuff.

03:08:15.000 Abortion.

03:08:16.000 You could be as clever as you want.

03:08:18.000 That is the death of good politics, is trying to be too clever and trying to be too self-aware and too self-conscious and finding the smart pivot.

03:08:30.000 I felt that way about Vivek.

03:08:32.000 I'm saying the same thing about Vance.

03:08:34.000 And again, I think Vance is very articulate.

03:08:37.000 I think his answers are good if you're a Republican already, but the answers are not They're not exciting.

03:08:46.000 They're not showstoppers.

03:08:48.000 The rhetoric is not strong at all.

03:08:51.000 It wasn't strong.

03:08:52.000 It was weak.

03:08:53.000 It was conciliatory.

03:08:55.000 It was appeasing.

03:08:57.000 It was far too technical in parts.

03:09:01.000 No flair.

03:09:02.000 No style.

03:09:04.000 Not authentic.

03:09:05.000 Not really winning any points. 0.96

03:09:07.000 You know, and you got to keep in mind, too, the Democrats have tarred Vance as like a fat weirdo.

03:09:15.000 And he comes in self-aware, thinking I have to prove to them I'm normal. 0.76

03:09:19.000 Yeah, you kinda overdid it.

03:09:21.000 It's like, if you come in too self-conscious, kind of with a pleading, desperate appeal, trying to get people to like you, it has a repellent effect.

03:09:33.000 I don't think he did an adequate job.

03:09:36.000 I think Walls did a good job.

03:09:38.000 I think they both gave fine performances.

03:09:41.000 I don't think either of them won.

03:09:42.000 I don't think either of them lost.

03:09:45.000 Vance didn't lose.

03:09:47.000 Walls didn't lose.

03:09:48.000 Neither of them really won.

03:09:51.000 Who gave better answers?

03:09:52.000 I would say Vance probably gave more articulate, technically better answers.

03:09:57.000 But I think because the table is set in a certain way, I think Walls won more issues.

03:10:02.000 I think given the slate of issues, climate change, abortion, school shootings, childcare, these are all issues that play well for liberals.

03:10:11.000 These are all issues that play well to big government, nurturing feminine liberals, What's the answer for healthcare? 1.00

03:10:20.000 Take care of everybody.

03:10:21.000 What's the answer for childcare?

03:10:23.000 Take care of everybody.

03:10:24.000 What's the answer for school shootings?

03:10:26.000 Take away the guns.

03:10:27.000 It's not the 80s anymore.

03:10:29.000 What's the answer for climate change?

03:10:30.000 It's real, but...

03:10:32.000 So the table was set, Walls did an adequate job playing like the white liberal, you know. 0.98

03:10:42.000 That's their version of the race card now is to find like a token folksy white male to talk to the white people that they all fucking hate in the states they need to win. 0.76

03:10:54.000 So yeah, I think Vance—and look, I don't like Vance at all. 0.99

03:10:58.000 I think he's a fraud.

03:10:59.000 I think a lot of what he's saying, he just—that became his opinion recently out of political necessity, so I don't believe anything he's saying.

03:11:11.000 He's obviously very intelligent, very articulate, I think too clever for his own good.

03:11:15.000 I think on a technical basis, on points, his answers are probably better.

03:11:20.000 Again, I think, though, the way the table is set with the issues, Walls is more authentic.

03:11:25.000 I think he played his part well.

03:11:28.000 He fumbled a little bit.

03:11:29.000 It was sloppy.

03:11:30.000 This is clearly not a strong suit.

03:11:32.000 But I don't think either of them scored any home runs.

03:11:37.000 Nothing memorable.

03:11:38.000 No big moment.

03:11:41.000 Lame.

03:11:42.000 And, you know, when it's like that, I think Republicans lose.

03:11:46.000 If you don't have a, what do they call it in Latin America?

03:11:52.000 The strongman.

03:11:53.000 If you don't have the big personality on the Republican side, if you're not, if you don't have that Trump effect, I think it's just devastating for Republicans.

03:12:02.000 I don't think they win that.

03:12:04.000 And here's why.

03:12:06.000 Democrats rely on young people, women, and non-whites. 0.99

03:12:10.000 You're fucking never winning those people because non-white people don't watch the stuff and they don't know. 1.00

03:12:16.000 Women are retarded. 1.00

03:12:18.000 Young people are retarded. 1.00

03:12:20.000 The Democrats basically have a coalition of, like, retarded voters. 0.99

03:12:23.000 It's like idealistic young kids who are like, just give everyone everything, man, and be nice. 0.98

03:12:29.000 Non-white people, like, who even knows how much of this stuff they even understand? 1.00

03:12:34.000 Women, as you know, women are totally emotional, too empathetic. 1.00

03:12:40.000 They're just never going to vote for, like, what needs to be done.

03:12:45.000 And so what you're left with is Republicans and Democrats kind of playing a turnout game, maybe fighting for some white people in the middle.

03:12:53.000 And so it's really the Republicans' job to fire up the base to compete with the built-in advantage that Democrats have.

03:13:02.000 Democrats are turning out The blacks, young people and women, especially with early voting, especially with in-person absentee, it's the Republicans' job to get their white people fired up, convinced, excited to vote on election day because that's when they vote. 0.75

03:13:19.000 And if you're not big, if you're not, if it's not strong, if it's not sensational, if you're not earning media by being provocative, I think you're behind.

03:13:29.000 So Here's the thing.

03:13:32.000 Trump came in, changed politics forever, he changed the rules of the game, he reinvented the Republican playbook, and he found a way to win.

03:13:40.000 I think Republicans, the reality is, we're getting to a point where there's not a map for Republicans to win.

03:13:48.000 There's just too many non-whites in Texas. 1.00

03:13:50.000 There's too many non-whites in Georgia. 1.00

03:13:52.000 There's too many non-whites in Florida. 1.00

03:13:55.000 Well, not Florida, I should say.

03:13:57.000 Republicans can win Florida.

03:13:59.000 But as time goes on, it's just becoming literally, mathematically impossible for Republicans to win.

03:14:06.000 We were declining, probably dying.

03:14:10.000 Trump reinvented the playbook, found a way for Republicans to win, and that was by Attacking a vulnerability with the Democrats, which was the white males and maybe whites in general, that they had forgotten about with the race-based politics in the Rust Belt.

03:14:28.000 That was the playbook.

03:14:30.000 And it's almost like we just forgot the wisdom of Trump 16.

03:14:34.000 And the wisdom of Trump 16 was be big, be unapologetic, be provocative, appeal to those

03:14:42.000 middle American radicals, be a populist.

03:14:45.000 Those were that was really the playbook.

03:14:47.000 And it wasn't just substance.

03:14:49.000 It was also the style.

03:14:50.000 The two were married.

03:14:52.000 Trump ism is inseparable from Trump.

03:14:54.000 We now know that after the failure of DeSantis.

03:14:59.000 And so when I see someone like Vance, it's like, why are Republicans fighting so hard

03:15:04.000 to forget the winning playbook from 16?

03:15:08.000 Why are they?

03:15:09.000 Why is there this amnesia?

03:15:11.000 Trump won.

03:15:12.000 He showed us the way.

03:15:14.000 And they want to go back to when we were losing.

03:15:17.000 And guess what?

03:15:18.000 We got Republicans got destroyed in 18.

03:15:21.000 They got destroyed in 20.

03:15:23.000 They got destroyed in 2022.

03:15:25.000 And that's because in every one of those elections, you add Trump or Republicans in general running the conventional playbook that never won.

03:15:34.000 Here we are again.

03:15:36.000 Here we are again, Vance saying literally, I know everyone hates us on abortion.

03:15:42.000 We need to be better. 0.99

03:15:44.000 Like, get this guy the fuck out of here. 0.98

03:15:46.000 Like, you have no political instincts. 0.95

03:15:49.000 You can't say that.

03:15:51.000 It's like, we gotta do a better job at earning your trust. 1.00

03:15:55.000 Hey, idiot, that's like what the campaign is for, dummy. 1.00

03:16:00.000 Also, do you think these screeching liberal harpies, you think you're going to earn their trust after you call them cat ladies? 1.00

03:16:07.000 You think a stupid bitch like Taylor Swift, who says, and by the way, sign sincerely a cat lady. 1.00

03:16:14.000 You think she's watching the debate attentively? 1.00

03:16:17.000 And Van says, we got to earn her trust.

03:16:20.000 And Taylor Swift is going to go, Oh, okay.

03:16:23.000 I'll listen.

03:16:24.000 Like this, that it just belies the reality that we all know is there.

03:16:30.000 But he just doesn't get it.

03:16:32.000 So, you know, but that's the problem with these political chameleons.

03:16:36.000 Unlike Trump, they're not willing to take risks.

03:16:40.000 They don't have that instinct.

03:16:41.000 They don't have the touch.

03:16:42.000 They don't have the tact, the feel.

03:16:46.000 They don't have that gut instinct of what to say and what levers to pull, what buttons to push.

03:16:53.000 So Vance is getting up there trying to say all the right things desperately, and guess what he's doing?

03:16:59.000 Too clever.

03:17:00.000 Trying to win a liberal frame that is already set against you.

03:17:04.000 It's a game you can't win.

03:17:07.000 What's the answer to school shootings? 0.99

03:17:10.000 White school shooters. 0.97

03:17:12.000 Fortify the schools. 0.97

03:17:13.000 Losing answer.

03:17:15.000 What's the answer to climate change?

03:17:17.000 Well, assuming it's real, reshore manufacturing.

03:17:20.000 Like, yeah, I mean, I guess.

03:17:23.000 So you know like on a technical level people could people can analyze the strikes and the and the passes and the catches and things like and on a technical level I think he gave a sound performance again he's clever he's intelligent but if you're looking at kind of the the game sense if you're kind of looking at the meta the like state of the game He doesn't get it.

03:17:47.000 He's not Trump.

03:17:48.000 And again, for the same reasons people say it's a good debate because it was civil, conciliatory, fact-based, policy-focused.

03:17:58.000 All of those things don't favor Republicans because the media has set the table with their chosen facts, their chosen issues, matrix of information.

03:18:15.000 A question like the state of democracy? 0.98

03:18:17.000 I mean, what the fuck kind of question is that? 0.98

03:18:21.000 We move on to the topic of the state of democracy. 0.98

03:18:24.000 Like, what does that even mean?

03:18:25.000 That's a way for them to say, what about when Trump denied the election?

03:18:30.000 And it's like, look, and Vance rightly pointed out, but he also didn't hit it hard enough in a simple way.

03:18:37.000 It's like, okay, let's talk about it.

03:18:40.000 We have elections.

03:18:41.000 They're so important that they ship ballots out to every voter, and then people throw them in a box in the middle of the park, and then they collect them, and no one can ask questions about it.

03:18:52.000 Nice democracy.

03:18:54.000 And it's like, that's something that Vance should have said in a way that was punchy and simple, in simple language, slowly and provocative.

03:19:05.000 Instead, he's like, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, free speech.

03:19:10.000 And it's like it was too clever, too technical, the table set against you, you know, and that's just the ecosystem you're in.

03:19:19.000 The only way to fight is to bypass it with strong counterattacks, punch them in the face, catch them off guard in a way that isn't self-conscious.

03:19:29.000 That's like what I would say.

03:19:32.000 Let's talk about the stage of democracy.

03:19:34.000 It's like, yeah, let's.

03:19:35.000 You have a war going on, they ban people from talking about it.

03:19:39.000 You had a pandemic, they forced people to get a vaccine, and you'd be fired if you didn't take it, and they banned you from talking about it.

03:19:45.000 Like that, that's the kind of element that I'd go for, but it's using strong, punchy language, strong, forceful, with gravitas, not this like, well, look, the Harris-Biden administration, blah, blah, blah.

03:19:59.000 Okay, you lost me. 0.99

03:20:00.000 Fucking boring. 0.99

03:20:04.000 So, anyway. 0.99

03:20:08.000 So, yeah.

03:20:08.000 So, I don't know.

03:20:10.000 I mean, I thought the debate was... It's a nothing.

03:20:14.000 I mean, look.

03:20:16.000 How much will this impact the election?

03:20:18.000 0.01%.

03:20:21.000 Like, nothing.

03:20:24.000 But it's interesting just to see because Vance Is maybe the best possible example of what a post-Trump Republican Party looks like, given that he's the vice president, and therefore, if Trump wins, the heir apparent.

03:20:41.000 But he's also a senator that got elected in a now Republican state that used to be a swing state after the Trump loss in 2020.

03:20:51.000 He's somebody that is promulgating a MAGA doctrine, but without the kind of Trump Affectation.

03:20:59.000 So maybe more than anything else, the debate doesn't say anything about the election, but it does give us a clue into what Vance is about and what the GOP might what the factions are going to look like after Trump exits the scene, whether it's in 2025 or 2029.

03:21:16.000 2025 or 2029 and it's not looking good.

03:21:20.000 So that's kind of my review of the debate.

03:21:25.000 It's interesting, though, that Walls is such a throwback.

03:21:31.000 He sounds like Obama in 2008.

03:21:34.000 He goes, I talked to farmers and these aren't Green New Deal people.

03:21:38.000 He literally attacked the green.

03:21:40.000 I don't know if it was an attack, but it wasn't really like a kind way to reference it.

03:21:45.000 He kind of hit the far left with the Green New Deal.

03:21:49.000 He said, look, I'm a gun owner and I used to have a shotgun in my car.

03:21:54.000 They're clearly embracing a more cultural conservatism.

03:21:59.000 That, Walz, as the vice president, is kind of a commentary on how clearly both parties recognize the need to appeal to white people and that white people are very culturally conservative.

03:22:12.000 They, you know, they want to take guns, but they also like guns.

03:22:17.000 And they, they're not racist, but they also think immigration is a problem and they love America like they're deeply patriotic.

03:22:25.000 So there is this kind of reluctant acceptance that whites are still a deciding factor in the country, which is why both parties have to appoint a kind of folksy minstrel show as their vice president. 0.57

03:22:41.000 In both cases, they're kind of fake.

03:22:45.000 So, I mean, that may be my only other observation, but we're going to move on.

03:22:50.000 We're going to take a look at the Super Chats.

03:22:51.000 We'll see what you guys have to say about all this, about this debate.

03:22:56.000 Pretty good viewership tonight.

03:22:57.000 We had almost 30,000 live viewers, so Not quite as big as the presidential debate, which is to be expected.

03:23:05.000 This one is far lamer.

03:23:08.000 But pretty big stream, so thanks everybody for tuning in.

03:23:11.000 Like I said at the top of the stream, I'm going to be back here tomorrow at 8 o'clock central for my normal show.

03:23:17.000 Tomorrow I'm going to be talking all about the Israel-Iran war, which looks like it just kicked off today.

03:23:24.000 And I talked a little bit about it before the debate, so if you want to get it right away, you can watch the replay of the stream, because I talked about it at the beginning.

03:23:36.000 But we'll cover it in depth tomorrow night on the show.

03:23:40.000 So make sure to subscribe if you're on your way out.

03:23:42.000 If you don't want to listen to the Super Chats, smash the follow button.

03:23:45.000 Tune in tomorrow.

03:23:47.000 We're going to have a big show talking about Iran and Israel. 1.00

03:23:50.000 This stupid debate got in the way of it. 0.99

03:23:53.000 Alright, but we're going to move on. 1.00

03:23:54.000 We're going to look at our Super Chats.

03:23:56.000 We'll see what you guys have to say about it. 0.99

03:23:59.000 Uh, nah, I think it's dumb. 0.97

03:24:00.000 That's not true.

03:24:01.000 Do you like Warhammer 40k at all, Nick? 0.98

03:24:03.000 Uh, nah, I think it's dumb. 0.88

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03:24:06.000 Nick, women suck, Super Chat. 1.00

03:24:07.000 Women suck, Nick. 1.00

03:24:08.000 You cringe piece of shit, kill yourself and stop watching. 1.00

03:24:11.000 That's not true, I've never, I would never say that. 1.00

03:24:12.000 OnlyGroip sent $5.

03:24:14.000 Couldn't help but notice you using the Shroud of Turin to debunk Islam and Judaism last night. 1.00

03:24:17.000 OnlyGroip vindicated?

03:24:19.000 Jesus won. 0.86

03:24:20.000 Okay.

03:24:20.000 Let's go!

03:24:20.000 Thank you very much, Christine.

03:24:21.000 Well, good luck with the pierogies and kielbasa.

03:24:23.000 We are out with the pierogi and kielbasa truck tonight.

03:24:25.000 Let's go!

03:24:26.000 W, getting hungry? We'll watch later.

03:24:28.000 So I don't wear hats, only visors.

03:24:30.000 But here's $40. Add it to the Fuentes campaign.

03:24:33.000 Thank you very much, Christine.

03:24:35.000 Well, good luck with the pierogis and kielbasa.

03:24:37.000 I'm gonna, if we make it out to Pennsylvania in the Griper War,

03:24:41.000 I might have to make a stop in Ohio, visit your Polish restaurant.

03:24:47.000 I gotta give it a try.

03:24:50.000 I am getting hungry.

03:24:51.000 I haven't eaten since this morning, actually, so that sounds pretty good right about now.

03:24:58.000 But thanks for the super chat.

03:24:59.000 Maybe we can make you a custom visor.

03:25:01.000 You know, you're a big enough supporter of the show.

03:25:03.000 Maybe we'll look into that.

03:25:04.000 I don't know if this company that we have, I don't know if they make them.

03:25:08.000 Maybe we'll make a visor for all the MAGA moms. 1.00

03:25:12.000 Playing pickleball and golf and stuff like that.

03:25:15.000 That'd be kind of fun, right?

03:25:16.000 We gotta do something for the ten women that watch the show. 1.00

03:25:19.000 Can you talk more about that?

03:25:22.000 I hate when people say it like that.

03:25:23.000 Uh, yeah.

03:25:23.000 that our moral behavior has impact on outcomes in the world.

03:25:26.000 Can you talk more about that?

03:25:27.000 Can you talk more about that? I hate when people say it like that.

03:25:30.000 Yeah. What I mean by that is, one, I think that God does punish and reward us in time,

03:25:44.000 as well as in the afterlife, based on our moral actions, you know?

03:25:51.000 Of course, people understand that our sins will be paid for in the afterlife, in purgatory or in hell, and the idea is that sin cannot enter heaven.

03:26:03.000 So if the judgment that you face immediately after death sends you to heaven, but you have sins that have not been atoned for yet, you go through purgatory and your sins are painfully burned off before the final judgment at the end of the world when you then enter heaven.

03:26:24.000 Or you go to hell. 0.63

03:26:26.000 And so there's a punishment, all of the sins that you commit in your life, venial sins or mortal sins, they are dealt with one way or another in the afterlife.

03:26:37.000 You pay for all of them.

03:26:39.000 And they're paid for in some way.

03:26:41.000 The sins that you don't repent for, you either pay for them in purgatory or you are tortured for them in hell.

03:26:48.000 And the sins that you repent for are ultimately paid for by Christ's sacrifice on the cross.

03:26:54.000 So if you die in a state of grace and let's say you have no venial sins, the sins, you still commit sins in your life.

03:27:05.000 And they're forgiven, but they're still paid for by the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.

03:27:11.000 Nobody was getting into heaven before Christ died on the cross.

03:27:14.000 When people died, they went to purgatory, they went to limbo, they went to hell.

03:27:19.000 And that's why when Christ died on the cross, he then descended into hell, liberated everyone in hell, and then was resurrected.

03:27:31.000 So they're all paid for, and that's a big concept in Christianity, is that every sin is paid for.

03:27:41.000 And people have this disconnect where they think that sins in the world have no punishment in the world.

03:27:46.000 But of course, sins also have a temporal punishment.

03:27:51.000 And what I mean by that is, if you do something immoral, you pay for it in the afterlife, you also pay for it in the world.

03:27:59.000 And we have a basic understanding of this.

03:28:02.000 You have guilt, you have remorse, regret, shame, and also immoral behavior.

03:28:10.000 It poisons your soul.

03:28:11.000 It also poisons your body.

03:28:13.000 There's a reason it's immoral.

03:28:15.000 Sins are not profitable in any way. 1.00

03:28:17.000 They're not profitable for your soul, but they're also not profitable for you as a person.

03:28:21.000 So, for example, Let's say you have sex outside of marriage.

03:28:27.000 And a lot of people say, how could that be wrong?

03:28:30.000 Love is a beautiful thing.

03:28:31.000 Sex is a beautiful thing. 0.59

03:28:32.000 How could it be wrong for people to have sex just because it's outside of marriage?

03:28:39.000 Well, what does it create?

03:28:41.000 In many cases, it produces what people call an unplanned pregnancy, which leads to abortion. 0.94

03:28:48.000 If the couple splits after they have sex, it emotionally and spiritually wounds the people in the relationship.

03:28:56.000 And after one premarital sexual partner, the odds of a future divorce go up very high.

03:29:03.000 It's a much higher percentage of people that get divorced with each successive premarital sexual partner.

03:29:10.000 So there is a punishment meted out.

03:29:13.000 And by the way, So if there are punishments for sins in the afterlife, and if there are punishments for individual sins in the world, well obviously if lots of people in society are committing sins, then society is going to start to break apart.

03:29:32.000 Case in point, our society is godless.

03:29:36.000 People don't believe in God, they don't go to church, sexual immorality is rampant, but there's also laziness, there's disrespect for the parents and for traditions, there's a lack of temperance, there's a lack of prudence.

03:29:50.000 People's behavior is out of control.

03:29:54.000 People are out of control.

03:29:55.000 They recognize no moral authority.

03:29:58.000 There is no integrity.

03:29:59.000 There is no honesty.

03:30:00.000 There's no doing good for the sake of doing good.

03:30:03.000 And first and foremost, it comes from a lack of love and fear of God.

03:30:08.000 That's where it all springs from.

03:30:10.000 And so here's the point.

03:30:12.000 We're in this crisis in our civilization and people look at the disaster and they say, how do we fix it?

03:30:19.000 And they say, well, we have to take up arms.

03:30:22.000 We have to get into politics.

03:30:24.000 We have to, we have to do all these things.

03:30:28.000 But they persist in immoral behavior.

03:30:31.000 They still don't go to church.

03:30:33.000 They still don't believe in God.

03:30:35.000 They still don't atone for their sins.

03:30:37.000 They still don't respect their parents. 1.00

03:30:39.000 They still go out and have promiscuous sex. 0.99

03:30:42.000 Or they abuse drugs. 0.97

03:30:45.000 And all the other things.

03:30:47.000 And so what I said the other night is people think that we're going to fix the country without really addressing the root crisis.

03:30:57.000 There is something spiritual going on and people can recognize that.

03:31:01.000 It's not that complicated.

03:31:03.000 It's like, take an issue like immigration, for example.

03:31:07.000 Why do we have so much immigration? 1.00

03:31:08.000 It's because people aren't having kids.

03:31:11.000 Why are people not having kids?

03:31:13.000 Because they're not getting married.

03:31:15.000 And when they have sex, they're doing it with contraceptives. 0.94

03:31:17.000 Because they're selfish.

03:31:20.000 Why are people selfish?

03:31:21.000 Why do people break the rules of sexuality, of moral sexuality?

03:31:28.000 Because they don't believe in God.

03:31:31.000 Because on some level, they don't believe in God.

03:31:33.000 That's the problem.

03:31:35.000 They think that it's antiquated, the idea that you get married and have a bunch of kids, as opposed to planning your pregnancy and using contraceptives and getting a girlfriend or a long-term partner and having sex out of wedlock.

03:31:49.000 They don't believe in God.

03:31:50.000 They don't observe the rules.

03:31:53.000 Or they're selfish and they put themselves over their future children or their spouse or their future whatever, progeny.

03:32:01.000 They abuse themselves because they don't look at themselves as created in the image of God and sexuality having a purpose.

03:32:08.000 And it's deeply philosophical.

03:32:11.000 And spiritual.

03:32:12.000 But of course it has these massive societal effects.

03:32:16.000 And you think about it this way.

03:32:18.000 If everybody was acting like a perfect Catholic, society would be fixed. 1.00

03:32:24.000 Perfectly.

03:32:26.000 But people have kind of gotten cynical and they say, well, why would I behave morally when nobody else is?

03:32:33.000 Well, if I started behaving morally and I stopped sinning, well, everybody else would keep being allowed to sin and I want to sin too.

03:32:42.000 And so it's like, well, you're complicit then.

03:32:45.000 I hear that from like Pearl Davis.

03:32:47.000 Pearl Davis says, well, we can't be chased.

03:32:51.000 We can't.

03:32:51.000 That's old fashioned and no one is doing it.

03:32:53.000 And this is just the way it is.

03:32:55.000 It's like, okay, so you're part of the problem.

03:32:59.000 Why would you expect things to get better?

03:33:01.000 Who's going to be a part of the solution?

03:33:03.000 If you won't even be a part of it, where are all these angels that are going to start behaving better and make the country the way it needs to be?

03:33:11.000 So it starts with taking moral accountability on an individual level and doing things, doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing.

03:33:21.000 And only then, I think, can we inspire the kind of reform and embody the kind of will and spirit that be required to change civilization. 0.99

03:33:30.000 If it's a bunch of, like, faggots and degenerates and, you know, junkies and freaks and weirdos, And they're behaving with these anti-civilizational behaviors, but they're making all the right arguments. 1.00

03:33:47.000 Like, we're doomed. 1.00

03:33:48.000 It's never gonna happen.

03:33:49.000 And here's the point. 0.97

03:33:50.000 It's like, Muslims, Israelis, they're deadly serious. 1.00

03:33:55.000 They're living it.

03:33:56.000 Like, the Jews are very serious about having kids because they have a theological conviction in their promised land and the chosenness and their role in creation and salvation of the world.

03:34:10.000 Like, they take that very seriously and they live it and they're deadly serious.

03:34:14.000 You have people that call themselves white nationalists, and they marry Asians and Hispanics. 0.98

03:34:20.000 You have people that call themselves white nationalists, and they're just, like, complete degenerates. 0.99

03:34:26.000 They're complete, like, vagabonds and just, like, simpletons. 1.00

03:34:30.000 And it's like, okay, so, if, like, they don't bring the seriousness to the table to even compete against the other forces. 0.89

03:34:40.000 Let alone to do anything on their own, independently of that.

03:34:46.000 So that's what I meant.

03:34:49.000 It starts with accountability.

03:34:49.000 Frogzipping sent $5, nothing ever happens and nothing will ever happen ever.

03:34:53.000 Ah, that didn't age well.

03:34:56.000 Frogzipping sent $5, to think we could have hit Doug Burgum but we're stuck with whatever

03:34:59.000 makes sense, chud. 1.00

03:35:00.000 Pathetic. 1.00

03:35:01.000 Yeah, for real. 1.00

03:35:03.000 He wouldn't have been much better.

03:35:04.000 No, it's totally evil. 0.97

03:35:04.000 His whole life is wicked and evil. 0.97

03:35:05.000 I don't understand the hate for Hub's life. Papa Beer hit up Chili's with the boys. Seems valid DBH.

03:35:10.000 No, it's totally evil. It's absolutely... his whole life is wicked and evil. He should be arrested. 0.91

03:35:18.000 Bobby Johnson sent $5. Looking forward to the next pronunciation of Daniel's last name.

03:35:22.000 Hockey.

03:35:23.000 Thanksgiving dinner.

03:35:24.000 It was two days before Thanksgiving, so they had a Thanksgiving menu.

03:35:26.000 They had turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, crab cocktail for an appetizer.

03:35:28.000 And then, I forget what we had for dessert.

03:35:29.000 beef. Gilbert sent $5. Nick, what did you eat at Mar-a-Lago?

03:35:33.000 Thanksgiving dinner. It was two days before Thanksgiving, so they had a Thanksgiving menu.

03:35:40.000 They had turkey, stuffing, mashed potatoes, crab cocktail for an appetizer. And then I

03:35:49.000 forget what we had for dessert. I think they had pie. So yeah, good times.

03:35:59.000 Imagine eating in front of Donald Trump.

03:36:01.000 I forgot how to eat, like, with a fork.

03:36:03.000 I was like, how do I eat now?

03:36:06.000 Imagine—do you know how self-conscious of, like, chewing and stuff like that?

03:36:10.000 You're sitting across the table from Trump and Kanye, and you're, like, trying to eat your turkey.

03:36:17.000 You're trying to eat your turkey and stuffing.

03:36:21.000 It's like you forget how to be a person.

03:36:23.000 But I clutched up.

03:36:24.000 I ate normally.

03:36:25.000 I ate normally and and it was fine, you know, but it was it was a very deliberate effort.

03:36:31.000 I was like, okay, act normal.

03:36:32.000 Act natural.

03:36:33.000 That's our merch from Athpak 4.

03:36:34.000 AGNATURAL Can you buy that one black t-shirt you wore on the stream?

03:36:37.000 BBnet and Yahoo addressed Congress. It said New Israel with Christchurch on it.

03:36:40.000 Shirt was, fire. Thanks King.

03:36:42.000 That's our merch from AFFPAC4.

03:36:44.000 Maybe we'll sell something similar in the future.

03:36:47.000 Chad King Prime sent $5.

03:36:49.000 Bro, it's me again.

03:36:50.000 BMW's been in the shop getting a new turbo, so I haven't had much to chat about.

03:36:54.000 How's it going?

03:36:55.000 Yeah, I am good.

03:36:55.000 Just spent $1,000 at Vineyard Vines last weekend.

03:36:57.000 Waste.

03:36:58.000 Presley Fee.

03:36:59.000 Whale greater than Polo Pony?

03:37:00.000 I wish Henry Ford made drip.

03:37:02.000 Waste. 1.00

03:37:02.000 Vineyard Vines is gay. 1.00

03:37:05.000 I would never. 0.90

03:37:06.000 I have like one outfit from Vineyard Vines.

03:37:10.000 I had to buy it because I was in a pinch.

03:37:12.000 I had to get an outfit for this dinner and it was the only store open.

03:37:18.000 But I hate that whole, like, prep look.

03:37:21.000 That, like, Republican frat golf club or, uh, country club look.

03:37:27.000 I hate it.

03:37:29.000 It's so, like, Southern-coded.

03:37:31.000 Chad King Prime sent $5.

03:37:32.000 $1,347.

03:37:32.000 Pants sag and you can see my giant, Joey.

03:37:37.000 Right.

03:37:37.000 DS sent $5.

03:37:39.000 You really let a random woman journalist into your studio and doxed your location to her? 0.99

03:37:42.000 Nobody's buying it.

03:37:44.000 I did.

03:37:44.000 Thanks.

03:37:45.000 That's possible.

03:37:45.000 I'll see.

03:37:45.000 percent $5 another great show from Emerald Green Prince.

03:37:48.000 Thanks Hilton head grow a percent $20 I'm very concerned about the

03:37:52.000 possibility of American conscription. Dick Durbin says it should be illegals, which is worse. As possible. Ron

03:37:59.000 sent $7 October is dedicated to the rosary. October 7 is the feast

03:38:02.000 of Our Lady of the Holy Rosary. This month, I will be praying to

03:38:05.000 Our Lady for her intercession for salvation of mankind and for

03:38:07.000 all to know Christ. Will you please join me in prayer Latin cross. I don't know if I could do one every day. That's

03:38:14.000 that's Rosary every day?

03:38:17.000 I mean, look, I pray every day.

03:38:18.000 I pray over every meal.

03:38:20.000 And I pray every day.

03:38:21.000 But rosary's pretty intense.

03:38:24.000 You know?

03:38:25.000 That's a big one.

03:38:28.000 But, uh, yeah.

03:38:29.000 Maybe I'll do a decade.

03:38:32.000 But it's a lot of repetition.

03:38:33.000 It's not for everybody.

03:38:34.000 Okay, thanks.

03:38:34.000 Noah Kirchner sent $5. Noah Kirchner and Bob Allen, research it. Extremely important.

03:38:39.000 Okay, thanks.

03:38:40.000 Kayak.

03:38:41.000 Griper sent $5. Vance's answer to the first question was for Israel to decide whatever makes sense.

03:38:45.000 Yeah, literal Israel plants. 0.56

03:38:48.000 Oh my gosh.

03:38:48.000 No.

03:38:48.000 Oh my gosh, dude.

03:38:49.000 No, I'm not playing your stupid fucking game. 1.00

03:38:52.000 While we're watching history repeat itself, Europa slash Weimar style, have you tried Helldivers 2 at all? 1.00

03:38:56.000 Feels like a good way to practice crushing the globalists in-game in-app.

03:38:59.000 I thought I heard you using diver verbiage as the reason I asked, smile. 1.00

03:39:02.000 No, I'm not playing your stupid fucking game. 1.00

03:39:10.000 As we watch history repeat itself, Weimar style. 1.00

03:39:13.000 Fuck off, dude. 1.00

03:39:16.000 Who writes trash? 1.00

03:39:16.000 Yeah, literally, student council debate. 1.00

03:39:18.000 Yeah, be careful.

03:39:18.000 He's Mexican.

03:39:19.000 Yeah, he did about as well as I thought he would.

03:39:21.000 Morsey sent $5. Chad Champion laced my shi. Yeah, be careful. Justin sent $5. These niggas boring. 1.00

03:39:27.000 Vance did better than I thought he would. Yeah, he did about as well as I thought he would. 0.82

03:39:32.000 Crypto fanatic one sent $5. If you are correct, that means 16 million Jews play 3 billion Europeans

03:39:37.000 and Muslims like a fiddle, which makes them a superior race. 1.00

03:39:39.000 Not quite. It's just that they are one, empowered by the devil. 1.00

03:39:45.000 Two, they're far more organized than the white people. 0.94

03:39:54.000 It certainly makes, um, the most competitive.

03:39:57.000 You can't argue with that.

03:40:00.000 Crypt.

03:40:01.000 Oops.

03:40:01.000 Duplicate.

03:40:02.000 Justin sent $5. 1.00

03:40:03.000 These moderators are fags. 1.00

03:40:05.000 Okay. 1.00

03:40:06.000 Too ugly. 0.99

03:40:07.000 I can never be friends with someone that ugly. 1.00

03:40:09.000 Sorry to hear that, man. 0.86

03:40:10.000 Hope you're doing well.

03:40:11.000 I know you don't like working out, but I think you'd be surprised how much people love Sal Bra. 0.82

03:40:14.000 Too ugly. I can never be friends with someone that ugly. 0.99

03:40:17.000 American Nacho said $5. Been without power for days. 0.98

03:40:20.000 My stopping grounds doesn't exist anymore. It's been wiped out.

03:40:23.000 Family is safe, but I just keep seeing these fucking assholes posting about how they stand with Israel and it's pissing 1.00

03:40:27.000 me off. 1.00

03:40:28.000 Sorry to hear that, man. Hope you're doing well.

03:40:31.000 Well, you're not doing well, but...

03:40:33.000 I hope you're getting along okay.

03:40:36.000 Hang in there, man.

03:40:38.000 It's terrible what's going on down there.

03:40:40.000 I didn't know that was so far inland.

03:40:42.000 I saw... I heard about this hurricane and then I looked at the map and it's like... I don't even understand how that's possible for that much devastation that far inland.

03:40:50.000 Pretty crazy.

03:40:51.000 Thanks for the big super chat!

03:40:52.000 are there.

03:41:26.000 Yeah, he's gonna win California too.

03:41:28.000 Yeah, those were the days.

03:41:29.000 Thanks for the big super chat.

03:41:31.000 I don't know your docs.

03:41:32.000 I'm like an animal.

03:41:33.000 I'm doing tricks.

03:41:33.000 Name this.

03:41:34.000 Florida Groipa sent $100. Hey man, duxed myself so many times at this point lolo well.

03:41:38.000 Thanks for the big super chat. I don't know your docs. 0.99

03:41:42.000 Slackroiper sent $5. Name one way in which blacks hurt whites and one way that whites hurt blacks. 0.99

03:41:46.000 Uh, I'm not telling what are you I'm like an animal. I'm doing tricks for name this name. 0.99

03:41:52.000 How about I'm not naming anything.

03:41:53.000 America first sent $5. I'm naming the Jew. 1.00

03:41:57.000 violent statistics being a victim of Don't be barking orders at me! 0.99

03:42:02.000 Name this, name that!

03:42:03.000 Don't be barking orders at me!

03:42:05.000 Don't be barking orders at me! 1.00

03:42:07.000 Especially not if you're black. 1.00

03:42:09.000 Being a victim of a school shooting is to a woman having an abortion due to complications, 0.99

03:42:13.000 as getting shot by a black person is to a woman getting an abortion out of convenience. 0.98

03:42:17.000 True! 1.00

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03:42:24.000 We are $5. We know you're in denial, but your face is actually getting puffy nigga 1.00

03:42:28.000 Look, I really like fried chicken. Okay. I like fried chicken. I like pizza

03:42:33.000 Let's say it's full I have a full face.

03:42:37.000 My face is very full.

03:42:38.000 Boogly woogly sent $10. Waltz definitely slipped bad on optics. Every time Vance winded up an attack, Waltz jerked

03:42:43.000 his head sharply in his direction.

03:42:44.000 Constant staring into the camera with uncertainty and even fear. Every olive branch Vance offered him, he was too

03:42:49.000 eager to accept.

03:42:50.000 Yeah, I think you're wrong about all that.

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03:42:57.000 Thanks!

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03:43:00.000 30k!

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03:43:00.000 Whatever makes sense.

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03:43:08.000 Can't believe they missed the Mossad HQ.

03:43:10.000 Bruh, you had one job.

03:43:11.000 I know, it's crazy.

03:43:12.000 Lyle Negron sent $10.

03:43:14.000 Will you criticize your religion?

03:43:15.000 All religions are a path to reach God.

03:43:17.000 There are, I make a comparison, like different languages, different idioms, to get there.

03:43:21.000 But God is God for everyone.

03:43:23.000 Pope Francis.

03:43:24.000 Okay, first of all, I reject the premise of like, will you criticize your,

03:43:30.000 Look, if you believe your religion is true, then it's the... 1.00

03:43:32.000 What are we gonna say?

03:43:34.000 Well, in fairness, he critiques his own religion.

03:43:37.000 If you believe your religion is the truth, you're not, like, looking for ways to criticize it.

03:43:41.000 That's one. 0.99

03:43:42.000 So, fucktard Reddit mindset. 0.99

03:43:45.000 Two, Pope Francis is not the religion, and everything he says is not infallible. 0.99

03:43:50.000 And if you think it is, then you know nothing about Catholicism, so...

03:43:54.000 It's not hard to see what happened there.

03:43:55.000 She's deeply concerned about losing the platforms.

03:43:56.000 She's pivoting to less controversial topics.

03:43:57.000 It's not rocket.

03:43:58.000 We don't need to be conspiracy theorists.

03:43:59.000 Harris not really being black for a week.

03:44:00.000 Do you think she made a deal to shill for the election?

03:44:03.000 It's not hard to see what happened there.

03:44:05.000 She's deeply concerned about losing the platforms.

03:44:09.000 She's pivoting to less controversial topics.

03:44:12.000 It's not rocket.

03:44:13.000 We don't need to be conspiracy theorists.

03:44:15.000 She went hard, walked it back, got banned anyway. 1.00

03:44:20.000 In a panic said, I don't want to lose Spotify.

03:44:22.000 I don't want to lose YouTube, pivoted to talking about Kamala and this and that.

03:44:27.000 I think that's pretty obviously what happened.

03:44:30.000 Whatever, it's her prerogative.

03:44:32.000 Christine in Ohio sent $5.

03:44:33.000 I made it here.

03:44:34.000 The debate?

03:44:35.000 Boring.

03:44:36.000 Vance speaks better than Trump and waltzes better than Biden.

03:44:38.000 Vance should have called out the J6 lie and fact-check med costs that Trump set in place. 0.98

03:44:42.000 The election really is a toss-up.

03:44:44.000 So many Harris signs in yards.

03:44:45.000 It is.

03:44:46.000 All the betting markets say it's 50-50.

03:44:48.000 Predicted, Polymarket, Betfair, all of it say it's 50-50.

03:44:53.000 I think it's 50-50.

03:44:55.000 All the swing states are 50-50.

03:44:57.000 The national polling's 50-50.

03:44:59.000 It's literally a coin toss.

03:45:01.000 And yeah, I mean, look, Vance is well-spoken.

03:45:03.000 I think Trump did better.

03:45:05.000 Because if you look at the effect that the debate has, Trump going really hard and sensational on immigration gave him a week of earned media.

03:45:16.000 Trump literally, in that debate performance, regained the initiative.

03:45:20.000 And it's starting to taper, because I think the Chris Lasovitas prevailed in his camp, and I think he's moderating a little bit.

03:45:29.000 But that debate, and the ensuing rallies, he owned the media for a week, and immigration was at the top, and Republicans went on that issue.

03:45:38.000 And, you know, that's when the betting odds and the polling started to flip again.

03:45:43.000 I thought that was actually effective.

03:45:45.000 Those clips, those talking points, they forced the conversation and they dominated the media.

03:45:52.000 And, you know, that's kind of half the battle with the election.

03:45:55.000 So I thought that was more effective.

03:45:57.000 I know what you mean though.

03:45:58.000 Vance is more articulate and it's more intellectual, but I think with what you're trying to do with the debate, I think it, When push comes to shove, I think it has less impact.

03:46:09.000 And that's really what you want to maximize for is impact.

03:46:13.000 But I know what you mean.

03:46:15.000 And yeah, I think he left a lot on the table with immigration, J6, healthcare, for sure. 0.98

03:46:20.000 Thanks.

03:46:20.000 I think I was, actually.

03:46:21.000 No message.

03:46:22.000 Thanks.

03:46:23.000 Florida Groipa sent $10.

03:46:24.000 Would it be correct to say that at the dinner, you were liked more than all other guests?

03:46:28.000 More than yay?

03:46:29.000 That's very significant.

03:46:30.000 I think I was, actually.

03:46:32.000 I think I was the favorite because, you know what, the dinner initially, it was very awkward.

03:46:41.000 Okay, because there's one, two, three, four, five people at the dinner.

03:46:45.000 There's Trump, yay, me, and then there was this black guy named Jamar, who was like, he was like an engineer, a teacher or something.

03:46:56.000 And there was Karen Giorno, who used to work for the Trump campaign of Florida on 16. 0.99

03:47:02.000 And Milo brought her on.

03:47:05.000 This is the dinner table.

03:47:07.000 And so, when we get there, you know, the thing is about Ye, which is so, like, endearing, is that he has this big personality, so confident, so, uh, some would say obnoxious, belligerent, you know, but in person he's very anxious.

03:47:32.000 And you could see he gets overwhelmed very easily.

03:47:35.000 Very apprehensive.

03:47:36.000 And I found that so endearing because it's like he's a real human being behind the bravado.

03:47:42.000 He really is a very sensitive guy.

03:47:44.000 And And even meeting Trump, he looks at Trump as like a big brother.

03:47:50.000 Like he loves Trump and admires Trump.

03:47:54.000 And Trump's like a hero of his.

03:47:55.000 He deeply loves Trump.

03:47:57.000 And so I could tell when we were at the dinner, he was, it was a little apprehensive.

03:48:02.000 And so we were at the dinner table.

03:48:03.000 Initially, Ye was like not talking at all.

03:48:06.000 He was just like nervous, like a little boy.

03:48:09.000 And Trump was trying to make conversation with them, trying to make conversation about politics, about music, about different things, and Ye was just not giving them anything, not talkative at all.

03:48:19.000 And if you've seen Ye on the talk shows, you maybe are familiar with this.

03:48:25.000 Like when he was on with Jimmy Kimmel, he's giving like one-word answers, kind of like tapping his feet, kind of nervous.

03:48:31.000 It was like that.

03:48:33.000 So Trump kind of gave up on Ye and pivoted to Jamar, because Jamar is black, and started talking to Jamar. 1.00

03:48:39.000 And Jamar is like a fucking idiot. 1.00

03:48:42.000 And so Trump was like over that. 1.00

03:48:45.000 I didn't get talked to at all, because I'm like a white guy wearing a hoodie, because I didn't think I would be at the dinner.

03:48:52.000 But I kind of jumped into the conversation on a few different things.

03:48:56.000 Trump started talking about Ye's polling and things like that.

03:49:01.000 And I jumped in and said, well, I don't know.

03:49:03.000 I said, and I laid out the argument about his polling and how his favorability is improving with different constituencies.

03:49:11.000 And Trump goes, oh, wow.

03:49:13.000 So what are you, like a pollster or something?

03:49:15.000 I was like, no, I'm working on the campaign.

03:49:17.000 He goes, so what do you think about Elon buying X or Twitter, because that had just happened.

03:49:23.000 I said, well, you know, his big problem is going to be the ADL and these choke points

03:49:27.000 with the software, like Apple specifically in the Google Play Store.

03:49:33.000 I said, those are going to be the main roadblocks.

03:49:36.000 Those are the bottlenecks, blah, blah, blah.

03:49:38.000 So I gave this like really wonky answer and Trump was like, wow, where'd you find this guy?

03:49:45.000 And so I just was doing my show.

03:49:47.000 I found my rhythm.

03:49:49.000 I was in my element.

03:49:50.000 I was doing my show in front of Trump and Ye.

03:49:52.000 And Ye was like beaming.

03:49:54.000 Trump was like, where'd you find this guy?

03:49:56.000 And Ye's like, I don't know.

03:49:57.000 He's the man.

03:49:58.000 So I was like the favorite of the dinner.

03:50:02.000 Yeah, I think I kind of, Karen was like resentful and kind of bitchy to Trump. 1.00

03:50:07.000 I was kind of like the favorite.

03:50:09.000 And Trump went out of his way to shake my hand, totally sidestepped Jamar, literally just passed right by him and said, nice meeting you.

03:50:19.000 And he said something like, I'll see you around or something.

03:50:21.000 I don't know, something like that.

03:50:24.000 But yeah, he liked me.

03:50:25.000 He definitely liked me.

03:50:28.000 So it was awesome.

03:50:30.000 And, you know, on some level, I'll always deeply love Trump because of what he means to the country.

03:50:36.000 And, you know, our destinies have been intertwined in a way for a long time.

03:50:44.000 Maybe more so for me than him, but, you know, so I'll always love him in as much as I think he's, his campaign's not doing so well.

03:50:54.000 But, but yeah, so that was like a very rewarding moment because I've had dreams about meeting Trump.

03:51:00.000 And in my dreams, I cry when I meet him because I'm overwhelmed with emotion.

03:51:05.000 And I didn't cry at the dinner, but, but I was absolutely enamored and, And it was mutual.

03:51:13.000 And let's just say it was a little bit mutual.

03:51:15.000 So 79 cent $25. I'm glad that was I'm glad that that happened

03:51:22.000 You sound like a goy. 1.00

03:51:22.000 That's a good one, right? 1.00

03:51:23.000 Why? 1.00

03:51:24.000 You should shut the fuck up. 1.00

03:51:25.000 When did it happen? 1.00

03:51:26.000 Like two days ago?

03:51:26.000 Yesterday we had to cover the invasion of Lebanon.

03:51:28.000 one right? Osgroip sent $5. You should be covering the devastation from Hurricane

03:51:31.000 Helene Moore and the lack of response from the government.

03:51:33.000 Why? This must be 10 times worse than Katrina, but there is silence. You should

03:51:37.000 shut the fuck up. When did it happen? Like two days ago? Yesterday we had to cover 1.00

03:51:42.000 the invasion of Lebanon. Today we have the debate. And honestly, I mean

03:51:48.000 stuff like that, I don't I don't I'm not a weatherman.

03:51:51.000 I don't cover natural disasters.

03:51:53.000 It is what it is.

03:51:54.000 These kinds of, it's horrible.

03:51:56.000 It's a shame.

03:51:57.000 You know, school shootings, hurricanes, it's not really a political issue.

03:52:03.000 And insofar as it is, insofar as it is about the competency of the response, this is administrative stuff.

03:52:10.000 It's not really ideological. 0.90

03:52:11.000 Okay, the federal government's incompetent.

03:52:14.000 Okay, the federal government's prioritizing DEI over... Okay, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

03:52:22.000 It's a horrible situation.

03:52:25.000 You need to cover that more!

03:52:26.000 This is a political analysis show. 1.00

03:52:28.000 If you want to hear fucking faggot nightly news, watch NBC. 1.00

03:52:31.000 Okay? 1.00

03:52:32.000 Watch Crowder.

03:52:36.000 Thank you very much.

03:52:37.000 I appreciate that.

03:52:38.000 Well, if you want to hear about the entire history of the Middle East and geopolitics and the geopolitical future of the world order, watch this show.

03:52:45.000 If you want to hear about how the Democrats fumbled the response to the hurricane because they're too liberal, you can watch Steven Crowder.

03:52:54.000 Okay?

03:52:56.000 Thank you.

03:52:56.000 I don't know.

03:52:56.000 I'm kind of split on that.

03:52:58.000 On the one hand, you're right.

03:52:59.000 I don't know, I'm kind of split on that.

03:53:11.000 On the one hand, you're right.

03:53:13.000 On the other hand, you know, if your mother raises your kids, then if you marry a foreigner, 0.92

03:53:20.000 your kids are going to be like foreigners. 1.00

03:53:23.000 I want my kids to be raised by a woman like my mother. 1.00

03:53:29.000 You know?

03:53:31.000 I want my kids to be raised by a woman who's like me. 1.00

03:53:37.000 Because, you know, really your kids have a deep relationship with their mother.

03:53:43.000 So, all you can really do is pick who their mother is.

03:53:47.000 And then, you kind of set it in motion.

03:53:51.000 And if you marry some foreigner, because I've been thinking about like Argentina.

03:53:55.000 Argentina has a 50% poverty rate.

03:53:58.000 They have a lot of Italians down there.

03:54:00.000 I was thinking I could totally go and rescue some Italian, Argentine woman and who in poverty, who's like, you know, suffering and can't get a job and hungry. 0.89

03:54:15.000 And I'll say, hey, come to America. 0.98

03:54:18.000 I'll pay for the groceries, you make the dinner, but then she's gonna be some Spanish-speaking fucking foreigner, you know? 1.00

03:54:26.000 So I don't know. 0.99

03:54:27.000 I don't even know how I'm gonna get... For me, it's a totally different question, because I'm a freak.

03:54:32.000 I'm a freak in every way you can cut it.

03:54:35.000 So I don't even know how I'm gonna find a wife.

03:54:39.000 But I gotta get working on that.

03:54:41.000 Not looking forward to it.

03:54:42.000 But...

03:54:44.000 For all of you, it's really personal, I guess.

03:54:47.000 It depends on what you're looking for.

03:54:49.000 For me, I value being American.

03:54:51.000 I want to marry an American.

03:54:54.000 But at the same time, it's like beggars can't be choosers. 1.00

03:54:56.000 All the American women are fat, vaxxed, whores, tatted up. 1.00

03:55:00.000 GrowUp our leader sent $10. 1.00

03:55:02.000 In between class I listen to your show.

03:55:04.000 Recently been feeling like a sleeper agent on campus so thanks for that.

03:55:06.000 Thanks for that.

03:55:07.000 Cool.

03:55:09.000 Angela Caballon sent $10.

03:55:10.000 W to Knight, Nick, thank you for going in depth on Catholicism.

03:55:14.000 I like that you're strong in your faith as am I.

03:55:16.000 It shows and I love it.

03:55:17.000 One day soon if you'd like we could meet to discuss more on our shared beliefs.

03:55:20.000 Keep Christ first always.

03:55:21.000 Love ya, heart, smiling face with hearts.

03:55:24.000 God bless, celebratory hands in the air.

03:55:26.000 Latin cross, USA.

03:55:27.000 We wanna meet and hang out?

03:55:30.000 Yeah, I don't really just like hang out with everyone that watches the show.

03:55:38.000 I appreciate it, but I'm not going to go and hang out with people.

03:55:43.000 I know you know me, and you watch me, and you're familiar with me and stuff, but I don't know any of you.

03:55:51.000 I'm looking at a camera right now.

03:55:54.000 You know, the parasocial thing.

03:55:57.000 It's a little weird, but I appreciate the message.

03:56:00.000 I don't know if we're gonna hang out.

03:56:02.000 No message.

03:56:03.000 Sound nice though.

03:56:04.000 Thank you.

03:56:05.000 Virginians sent $5.

03:56:06.000 You are right, Nick, when you say that Trump is not whining here because people in Virginia 1.00

03:56:10.000 are very stupid. 1.00

03:56:11.000 Anyways, 07, God bless. 1.00

03:56:12.000 It's because they're just super liberal.

03:56:15.000 You know, Nova is just too big, like Northern Virginia, suburbs of DC.

03:56:20.000 It's all these like Asians, huge Asian immigration. 0.98

03:56:24.000 And there's a lot of like domestic immigration, like liberals are moving there from DC and

03:56:30.000 now they're voting in Virginia.

03:56:32.000 So.

03:56:33.000 Uh, it's just, it's become a very liberal state.

03:56:36.000 It is what it is.

03:56:37.000 So, you know, I think Biden won by like 10 points.

03:56:39.000 10 points.

03:56:40.000 If a eagled sent $5, I miss Barry Stanton.

03:56:43.000 Me too.

03:56:44.000 Anonymous girl sent $5, October 1st, Nick Winter arc?

03:56:47.000 Maybe lock it and cut out the fried chicken for a bit. 1.00

03:56:50.000 Shut up, bitch. 1.00

03:56:51.000 I don't think so. 1.00

03:56:53.000 Winter is when you bulk up.

03:56:55.000 Winter is when you get big.

03:56:56.000 For the winter.

03:56:56.000 for the winter, for the cold.

03:56:58.000 I'm not gonna talk about that, thank you though.

03:57:07.000 FloridaGroipa sent $10, don't listen to that guy about Hurricane Helene, it was bad in some places, after it

03:57:13.000 landed even NC got bad flooding and damage, they always get rain. I'm near where it landed and it was kind of a normal

03:57:18.000 storm. All hail the maglab. r slash r my city. 1.00

03:57:20.000 My City.

03:57:22.000 I don't know what that last part means.

03:57:24.000 Yeah, and I don't know anything about the hurricane, honestly.

03:57:26.000 I'm not a meteorologist.

03:57:28.000 I'm a political person.

03:57:30.000 So... People are saying, like, the hurricane was created by the Democrats.

03:57:35.000 It's just, like, crazy.

03:57:36.000 I don't know what you want to hear about that.

03:57:39.000 I want to hear about how Democrats aren't good at running the government.

03:57:43.000 It's like, okay, Democrats aren't good at running the government.

03:57:46.000 Now what?

03:57:48.000 Okay, alright, that's our last Super Chat.

03:57:52.000 That's gonna do it for me tonight. 0.97

03:57:54.000 Yeah, big viewership, good stream, but boring, boring-ass debate. 0.98

03:57:59.000 Boo. 0.97

03:58:01.000 Where's Trump?

03:58:02.000 Trump is at least a fun debater.

03:58:05.000 But that's going to do it for me.

03:58:06.000 Remember to follow me here on Rumble.

03:58:08.000 Smash the like button, leave a comment.

03:58:10.000 I'm on the air every Monday through Friday at 8 o'clock Central.

03:58:14.000 Tomorrow we're going to cover the beginning of the Iran War.

03:58:16.000 It's going to be an exciting show.

03:58:19.000 Big thanks to our Super Chatters.

03:58:22.000 Special thanks to Florida Groyper and Marion Groyper.

03:58:26.000 Thanks to all our Super Chatters.

03:58:28.000 Everybody that watches the show, we love you.

03:58:30.000 I will see you tomorrow.

03:58:31.000 Until then, have a great rest of your evening.

03:58:34.000 Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo.

03:58:41.000 It's going to be only America first. 0.99

03:58:46.000 America first.

03:58:50.000 The American people will come first once again.

03:59:17.000 America first!

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - October 01, 2024

Vice Presidential Debate: VANCE VS WALZ

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