Learn English with Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama delivers an impassioned speech at the 2020 Democratic National Convention. She calls on Donald Trump supporters to join her in 2020 to elect a president who will stand up to corporate America and put America First. She also calls on the Trump campaign to fix the problems they re creating and fix their campaign before it s too late. Michelle also calls for the president to fire his campaign manager and get new people hired to run his 2020 campaign and get them on board with her vision for the future of the country and the country s future. Michelle is a fierce advocate for America First and wants to see Trump re-elected in 2020, but she also wants him to be an independent from Silicon Valley and other corporate interests that are not happy with the Trump administration and want to liberate him from the influence of foreign interventionism, Silicon Valley's influence, and Silicon Valley s control of the media and the political system. Michelle Obama is a force to be reckoned with and a voice for freedom and justice for the voiceless. She is a breath of fresh air and a beacon of hope and inspiration to millions of people who are tired of the corporate America, the establishment, and the people who have been sucked into the corporate, big-eliminationist, anti-Americanism, and big-cronyism that has taken over our politics and are ready to take back control of our world. We want Trump to win the 2020 election, and we re not going to let him fail again, we re going back to our country, we are going to make him the way we used to do it. Michelle's speech is an hour and a half ago, and it s going to be the best we ve ever done. Thank you for listening and tweet me what you think of it! - Tweet me and let me know what you thought of the speech you think! - or don t forget to tweet me . or tweet me! or tell a friend about what you re listening to this or not listening to it? if you re tired of what s getting tired of it, what s working for you and what s your favorite thing? or what s going on in your life? - Rachel Maddow - what do you think about it? - or not enough of it? or are you tired of that? - or not getting it enough? - and you re sick of it anymore?
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00:03:17.000It was a slow and steady, unrelenting stream of blips and blinks, glimmers and glares, low beams and high beams of light, some of which I did not want to see.
00:03:32.000And then finally, a point of no return reckoning.
00:06:07.000We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or the campaign, and I'll let them know.
00:06:23.000And if they don't make the course correction, then it's on them.
00:06:28.000Our movement is about replacing a failed and corrupt political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people.
00:06:39.000This election will determine whether we're a free nation or whether we have only the illusion of democracy, but are in fact controlled by a small handful of global special interests rigging the system, and our system is rigged.
00:08:53.000So this is a call to all Christians, immigration restrictionists, foreign policy non-interventionists, trade protectionists, those in favor of industrial policy, patriots, nativists, nationalists, non-interventionists, traditionalists, that are not happy with the State of the Trump campaign, you are being recruited.
00:09:38.000If we don't succeed, if this doesn't work, there's no hope.
00:09:42.000You either get Kamala, and it's total left-wing oppression, it's total bullshit, BLM nonsense, or if you get Trump, it's gonna be total Zionist corporate domination.
00:31:34.000My message is that things have to change, and they have to change right now.
00:31:42.000If you miss this version of Trump, you have his campaign managers Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles to blame.
00:31:50.000La Civita was found liking posts on Twitter advocating for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and to remove Trump from office on January 6th.
00:31:58.000And Wiles wants Trump to abandon his loyal base in order to pander to minorities who won't turn out to vote for him regardless.
00:32:05.000Chris LaCivita and Susie Wiles are responsible for Trump's drastic change in rhetoric and his failure in the polls.
00:32:12.000If you want Trump to win, he must fire these disloyal saboteurs.
00:32:17.000Use the hashtags firelessavida and firewiles to save Trump from these swamp creatures.
00:34:09.000Creeper War 2, Creeper War 2 Your campaign sucks, yeah we're coming for you Creeper War 2, Creeper War 2 Trump's campaign sucks, the Creeper's coming for you Yo, yo, all you bitches on the campaign.
00:34:26.000Trump about to lose to an Indian with coconuts and you think this a joke?
00:34:30.000Trump just got shot in the ear and you are losing to a cackling thugly woman who speaks in ebonics when she is around minorities.
00:34:37.000Yo, yo, Donald Trump, how pathetic can you be?
00:34:40.000You fired people for a living and now you sound like a bitch.
00:34:46.000You used to be the mean God and now you sound like a bitch.
00:34:51.000You are losing this campaign because you staffed it with a bunch of gays.
00:37:02.000Your campaign sucks, yeah we're coming for you Me and the boycotters will save the Trump campaign.
00:37:17.000We will give a voice to all of the rightful frustrations that the Trump supporters have, whether they're willing to direct their anger at me or the campaign, and I'll let them know.
00:45:56.000First of the month, Iran struck Israel this afternoon with Some say 180, some say over 400 ballistic missiles.
00:46:09.000In several waves, Iran retaliated against Israel for the assassinations of IRGC General, as well as the leader of Hamas and the leader of Hezbollah.
00:46:28.000We don't know the extent of the damage because there is military censorship in place in Israel and at all Israeli media stations.
00:46:37.000So we don't actually know if anyone was killed or the extent of the damage on infrastructure.
00:46:45.000But it was far more significant and although it came late, it came with much less of a warning than Iran's retaliatory strikes in April.
00:46:55.000And thus represents a major escalation.
00:46:59.000And this comes just a day after Israel began its incursion into Lebanon yesterday, which we covered on the show.
00:47:06.000Another thing that was a long time coming.
00:47:09.000And so after the strikes, now we're looking at an open invitation for Israel to retaliate against Iran, most likely with major airstrikes, potentially on their nuclear facilities, maybe on their oil and gas facilities.
00:47:26.000We don't know what the targets will be and the timeline yet, but the Israeli war cabinet has resolved to retaliate against Iran, and not only Iran, but apparently throughout the entire Middle East.
00:47:39.000Potentially they will be conducting extensive strikes, I would imagine, in Syria, Lebanon, potentially Iraq, and Yemen as well.
00:47:50.000Initially they said that would happen tonight, although it doesn't seem like that is the case, unless it happens in the coming hours.
00:47:59.000Israel modified their position, they said it will happen at a time of their choosing, and the United States National Security Council spokesperson has said that the United States stands behind Israel in their retaliation strike.
00:48:15.000So we'll be waiting to see what happens this week.
00:48:17.000I imagine it's going to come sooner rather than later, but this was the endgame from the beginning.
00:48:25.000That is direct, open hostilities between Iran and Israel.
00:48:29.000And it's always been relatively openly hostile.
00:48:34.000But a direct military engagement between the two.
00:48:37.000It's something that actually decisively favors Israel.
00:48:41.000Israel has an air force that is capable of striking deep into Iran, a capability that Iran does not have.
00:48:50.000Iran has the capability to launch missiles at Israel, long-range missiles.
00:48:56.000But that is tempered by the fact that Israel has a number of anti-missile defensive systems, like the Arrow 3, David's Sling, and Iron Dome, which can shoot down different types of rockets and missiles.
00:49:12.000So a direct military engagement between Iran and Israel is something that Iran is sought to avoid because of the asymmetry in capabilities, and rather they have preferred to rely on their proxies Specifically Hezbollah.
00:49:28.000But now that Israel has decimated the leadership of Hezbollah and their communications network, and is now conducting major airstrikes on their capital in the suburbs of Beirut and Tehran, Hezbollah is disabled and not able to effectively counter or act as Iran's forward operating base.
00:49:48.000So these are the dynamics of the current conflict.
00:49:52.000Like I said, this has always been the goal, probably since October 7th of last year.
00:49:58.000It has been slowly and gradually unfolding and unraveling, first with the engagement in Gaza, then with the escalating tensions in the north, provocations against Iran across the Middle East, and now we finally arrived at the endgame, which is Most likely annexation of Gaza, decimation of Hezbollah, and a decisive strike on Iran that will devastate their economy and their nuclear facilities, which would be a major strategic blow.
00:50:33.000I said it yesterday, and I know I say it like every night now, but it's like, bro, if you have been watching my show over the past year, I have predicted all of the, literally every step of the way for a year.
00:50:48.000I said, they're going to go into Lebanon.
00:51:00.000I said they're goading Iran to attack them.
00:51:03.000It's a no-win scenario where eventually the Iranian people will demand intervention.
00:51:10.000Iran will do it, spring the trap, and then Israel will be justified in retaliating against Iran's strategic infrastructure, specifically oil and gas.
00:51:21.000More importantly, the nuclear complex.
00:51:25.000And it's all played out in the past two weeks.
00:51:30.000And if you read the headlines, you'd still be thinking there was a ceasefire deal forthcoming any day now, an agreement with Hamas, something like that.
00:51:45.000But if you've been watching this show, we've been doomsaying and predicting this wider regional conflict from the very start.
00:51:53.000For all of those reasons, it was clear to see from the beginning.
00:53:00.000So Iran's conservative president mysteriously died in a helicopter crash earlier this year.
00:53:08.000Ebrahim Raisi, who was recently elected, died earlier this year in a helicopter crash.
00:53:14.000They held elections and a moderate reformist was elected.
00:53:20.000And this guy has emphasized strategic patience in the conflict.
00:53:26.000He was only elected in August, but the people are angry because they believe that by not responding after his inauguration in August to the assassination of the leader of Hamas in Tehran, that it was major weakness and a strategic blunder.
00:53:45.000And the Israelis took advantage of that.
00:53:48.000And shattering deterrence, the Israelis were able to then go into Hezbollah, do their cyber attack, their aerial bombardment, their assassinations because of the precedent established in August when Israel was able to assassinate the Hezbollah commander in Lebanon and the leader of Hamas in Iran with no counterattack.
00:54:11.000Now, the time for a retaliation would have been in August or September.
00:54:26.000He waited until after Israel decimated Hezbollah.
00:54:32.000Iran waited to retaliate until after Hezbollah was effectively disabled over the past two weeks.
00:54:43.000So the leader of Hamas was assassinated in Iran in the beginning of August.
00:54:51.000One of the commanders, one of the senior advisors of Hezbollah was assassinated in Lebanon the day before in the beginning of August.
00:55:01.000Now the precedent established in April When Israel assassinated seven IRGC commanders at a consulate building in Damascus, Syria, was that Iran retaliated with 300 drones and missiles.
00:55:18.000And what was established effectively was deterrence.
00:55:22.000If Israel conducts assassinations in foreign capitals in violation of national sovereignty, then they will be attacked.
00:55:32.000And it was a broad-spectrum defense which prevented any of the drones or missiles from hitting their targets.
00:55:41.000It was Egypt, Jordan, the United States, France, Britain, and Israel itself.
00:56:01.000The United States moved in, they deployed two dozen warships, two carrier strike groups to deter Iran from retaliating, and Iran blinked first.
00:56:31.000The United States sent in an unprecedented number of military assets to prevent this from happening, to check Iran's power, and Iran blinked.
00:57:16.000Major escalation since the start of this current conflict after October 7th.
00:57:23.000Then, over the course of the last two weeks, Israel killed all of Hezbollah's senior leadership, including their over 30-year General Secretary, Hassan Nasrallah.
00:57:34.000Last night, Israel began the invasion of Lebanon with engineers and intelligence to gather intelligence about Hezbollah's fortifications, tunnels, and infrastructure on Israel's northern border.
00:57:51.000It is in this circumstance Today that Iran finally decided to reply, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards say that the retaliation was specifically in response to the killing of Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of Hamas, Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, and an IRGC general who was killed in the past week.
00:58:41.000They have ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, they have suicide drones.
00:58:45.000But it's a small number of expensive missiles that can even reach Israel.
00:58:49.000That's really the only way they can touch Israel.
00:58:53.000They can't invade Israel because they don't share a border.
00:58:56.000They can't strike Israel with their air force because their air force is very old and does not have the capability, it doesn't have the range to even reach Israel.
00:59:06.000So they cannot strike on Israeli territory with fighter jets or bombers or anything like that.
00:59:49.000And Israel historically cannot effectively fight Hezbollah because Hezbollah is a guerrilla army and they do employ professional tactics.
00:59:58.000They can hold defensive positions and Israel has not been able successfully to fight Hezbollah in their 20-year occupation of South Lebanon or in their most recent war in 2006.
01:00:10.000What's more, Hezbollah is able to touch Israel with much shorter range rockets.
01:00:16.000Cheaper, shorter range rockets that don't require big delivery systems that are stationary that can be hit by Israeli airstrikes.
01:00:26.000The rockets that Hezbollah is launching into Israel are very mobile and they're launching them from heavily forested Hilly areas that are not easily targeted by dumb bombs or these imprecise munitions used by Israel or their air force.
01:00:46.000So Iran relies heavily upon Hezbollah to check and deter Israel and to touch Israel, because Israel cannot effectively fight Hezbollah, cannot effectively mount offensives, and even their airstrikes and missile strikes are not totally effective against these mobile rocket systems, short-range rocket systems that Hezbollah employs.
01:01:10.000So here's the problem, which may be apparent.
01:01:14.000Iran waited to hit Israel from its territory with its, again, decisively inferior capabilities, after Hezbollah, which they rely upon totally, was basically disabled.
01:01:32.000Iran waited for Hezbollah's leadership to be killed, its communication system to go down, for thousands of airstrikes to occur, for Israel to begin the invasion, Before they replied.
01:01:48.000Now, Iran could have hit Israel at the beginning of the war.
01:01:52.000And they could have hit Israel in April.
01:01:55.000And they could have hit Israel in August if they moved quickly and decisively.
01:02:01.000And Israel would have been restrained in their response because of the deterrent threat of Hezbollah on its northern border.
01:02:14.000But now that Iran has waited until the day after Israel has decimated Hezbollah's leadership, infrastructure, communications, its headquarters in Dahiya, the suburb of Beirut, now Israel's completely unrestrained in their response.
01:02:34.000And so now they're openly talking about attacking Iran's oil and gas facilities,
01:02:40.000which accounts for 70% of Iran's government revenue.
01:02:44.000They're talking about destroying an island that Iran uses to export all of its oil.
01:02:51.00090% of its oil comes out of one small island where they have a long port.
01:02:57.000Because the Persian Gulf is very shallow, they need to do it on a port, on a small island off the coast.
01:03:05.000So they're talking about destroying the oil and gas.
01:03:08.000Again, which Iran, its economy relies upon totally.
01:03:12.000And they're talking about bombing Iran's nuclear facilities.
01:03:16.000And you've got American neocons, pro-Israel, Zionist Americans, as well as Israelis saying this is the time for a decisive strike.
01:03:26.000The former Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who's also former IDF, he was the Prime Minister several years ago, He said that Israel should use this as the opportunity to strike a decisive blow against Iran, specifically its nuclear complex and its oil and gas facilities, which would effectively neuter Iran strategically and destroy its economy and probably ultimately produce regime change.
01:03:57.000And Israel is emboldened to do this and probably capable of doing this if they chose Because they are completely unbound and unchecked by Hezbollah in the north, which they destroyed and which they were able to destroy because Iran did not retaliate back in August when Israel was testing the waters with these provocative strikes.
01:04:22.000So it all goes back to the failure to respond, the failure to maintain and uphold deterrence.
01:04:36.000After the bombardment of Hezbollah and the assassination of Nasrallah, which have taken place in the past two weeks, Iran has been put in a completely unwinnable situation.
01:04:47.000Because if they retaliate, they're in the predicament that they are in now.
01:05:03.000The militia in Iraq does not have a real capability to inflict damage on Israel.
01:05:09.000Israel is totally free and totally unrestrained and able to hit Iran as hard as they choose.
01:05:19.000And many of the hardliners in the war cabinet are saying that's exactly what they should do.
01:05:24.000So Iran, the dilemma they face is they're screwed if they attack, which they did.
01:05:30.000But if Iran had not attacked today, maybe the government would have been overthrown.
01:05:39.000Because the Iranian people watching the Iranian government get humiliated, and get attacked, and to watch Nasrallah be killed, and watch Hezbollah get slaughtered, On behalf of Iran, while Iran does nothing, was creating widespread dissatisfaction.
01:06:02.000And could have even caused a military coup or some other such situation in the country.
01:06:20.000And the thing to watch for is, Whether Israel hits Iran directly, which they almost certainly will, and it would be notable because Israel has so far refrained from attacking Iran.
01:06:35.000Israel attacked Iran's consulate in Syria back in April, and when Iran struck Israel from Iran, Israel did not hit Iran back.
01:06:48.000And in August, Israel attacked Hezbollah in Lebanon and they did a terrorist attack with their intelligence forces inside Tehran, but it wasn't an aerial bombardment.
01:07:03.000It was Israeli intelligence planted a bomb in an IRGC compound and they detonated it remotely.
01:07:12.000So technically, Israel has not directly struck Iran, not with jets, not with missiles.
01:07:19.000And so the question of Israel's response is, will they hit Iran from Israel with air power, with a bold aerial campaign, which would require them to either stealthily go through Syrian airspace or to go over Iraqi airspace.
01:07:37.000It would be long-range, may require refueling in midair.
01:07:40.000It would be a very sophisticated aerial operation.
01:07:44.000Maybe with missiles from their Dolphin-class submarines.
01:07:53.000But the question is, will they hit Iran directly?
01:07:55.000I think the answer is almost certainly yes.
01:07:57.000The question is then, what targets will they choose?
01:08:01.000Iran does not have defensive systems to protect them from an airstrike in the way that Israel does.
01:08:09.000So Israel will strike hard and with precision, and they will destroy infrastructure.
01:08:14.000Will they target Iran's oil and gas facilities and cripple their economy, which relies, again, 70% of their government's revenue comes from the sale of oil.
01:08:26.00090% of it comes through one island in the Persian Gulf.
01:08:29.000Will they hit the refineries on Iran's southwestern coast?
01:08:36.000Or will Israel go for the nuclear facilities?
01:08:38.000The nuclear facilities, many of them are deep underground, inside of mountains, that would require major conventional ordnance, like the kind that they're dropping, the bunker-busting bombs they're dropping in the suburbs of Beirut.
01:08:53.000So will they target the nuclear facilities and disable Iran's nuclear program permanently, or for years, potentially?
01:09:03.000And then the question is, will they hit other targets?
01:09:06.000Will they hit Iranian-backed militias in Iraq, Syria, Yemen?
01:09:10.000Of course, they're continuing their bombardment of Hezbollah in Lebanon.
01:09:15.000So we're really just watching and waiting to see what the scope of Israel's reprisal will be.
01:09:24.000And Iran has threatened that if Israel replies that Iran will retaliate against Israel.
01:09:30.000So we're going to enter into a pattern in the same way that there was a low boil exchange of fire between Hezbollah and Israel over the border with Lebanon.
01:09:42.000We may be entering something similar between Israel and Iran.
01:18:00.000But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.
01:18:07.000You saw it experienced today where along with our Israeli partners and our coalition able to stop the incoming attack.
01:19:48.000And thanks, most importantly, to the American people who are watching this evening and caring enough about this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate.
01:19:55.000I want to answer the question, but I want to actually give an introduction to myself a little bit, because I recognize a lot of Americans don't know who either one of us are.
01:20:01.000I was raised in a working-class family.
01:20:03.000My mother required food assistance for periods of her life.
01:20:06.000My grandmother required Social Security help to raise me.
01:20:09.000And she raised me in part because my mother struggled with addiction for a big chunk of
01:21:09.000They use it to buy weapons that they're now launching against our allies,
01:21:12.000and God forbid, potentially, launching against the United States as well.
01:21:16.000Donald Trump recognized that for people to fear the United States, you needed peace through strength.
01:21:22.000They needed to recognize that if they got out of line, the United States global leadership would put stability and peace back in the world.
01:21:29.000Now, you asked about a preemptive strike, Margaret, and I want to answer the question.
01:21:33.000Look, it is up to Israel what they think they need to do to keep their country safe, and we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.
01:21:41.000I think that's the right approach to take with the Israel question.
01:21:47.000Do you care to respond to any of the allegations?
01:21:49.000Well, look, Donald Trump was in office.
01:21:51.000We'll sometimes hear a revisionist history, but when Donald Trump was in office, it was Donald Trump who we had a coalition of nations that had boxed Iran's nuclear program in, the inability to advance it.
01:22:04.000Donald Trump pulled that program and put nothing else in its place.
01:22:07.000So Iran is closer to a nuclear weapon than they were before because of Donald Trump's fickle leadership.
01:22:12.000And when Iran shot down an American aircraft in international airspace,
01:22:17.000Donald Trump tweeted because that's the standard diplomacy of Donald Trump.
01:22:21.000And when Iranian missiles did fall near U.S. troops and they received traumatic brain injuries,
01:22:29.000Donald Trump wrote it off as headaches.
01:22:31.000Look, our allies understand that Donald Trump is fickle.
01:22:36.000He will go to whoever has the most flattery or where it makes sense to him.
01:22:40.000Steady leadership like you witnessed today, like you witnessed in April.
01:23:15.000Well, first of all, Margaret, diplomacy is not a dirty word.
01:23:17.000But I think that's something that Governor Walz just said is quite extraordinary.
01:23:20.000You yourself just said Iran is as close to a nuclear weapon today as they have ever been.
01:23:25.000And Governor Walz, you blame Donald Trump.
01:23:28.000Who has been the vice president for the last three and a half years?
01:23:30.000And the answer is your running mate, not mine.
01:23:33.000Donald Trump consistently made the world more secure.
01:23:36.000When did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
01:23:38.000The sequence of events that led us to where we are right now, and you can't ignore October
01:23:44.0007th, which I appreciate Governor Walz bringing up.
01:23:46.000But when did Iran and Hamas and their proxies attack Israel?
01:23:50.000It was during the administration of Kamala Harris.
01:23:53.000So Governor Walz can criticize Donald Trump's tweets, but effective, smart diplomacy and
01:23:59.000peace through strength is how you bring stability back to a very broken world.
01:24:03.000Donald Trump has already done it once before.
01:24:06.000Ask yourself at home, when was the last time, I'm 40 years old, when was the last time that an American president didn't have a major conflict breakout?
01:24:14.000The only answer is during the four years that Donald Trump was president.
01:25:03.000Sure, so first of all, let's start with the hurricane because it's an unbelievable, unspeakable human tragedy.
01:25:08.000I just saw today, actually, a photograph of two grandparents on a roof with a six-year-old child, and it was the last photograph ever taken of them because the roof collapsed and those innocent people lost their lives.
01:25:18.000And I'm sure Governor Walz joins me in saying our hearts go out to those innocent people, our prayers go out to them, and we want as robust and aggressive as a federal response as we can get to save as many lives as possible.
01:25:30.000and then of course afterwards to help the people in those communities rebuild.
01:25:33.000I mean, these are communities that I love.
01:25:35.000Some of them I know very personally in Appalachia, all across the Southeast.
01:25:39.000They need their government to do their job.
01:25:41.000And I commit that when Donald Trump is president again, the government will put the citizens
01:25:46.000of this country first when they suffer from a disaster.
01:25:48.000Now, Nora, you asked about climate change.
01:25:50.000I think this is a very important issue.
01:25:52.000Look, a lot of people are justifiably worried about all these crazy weather patterns.
01:25:56.000I think it's important for us, first of all, to say, Donald Trump and I support clean air, clean water.
01:26:01.000We want the environment to be cleaner and safer.
01:26:03.000But one of the things that I've noticed, some of our Democratic friends talking a lot about, is a concern about carbon emissions, this idea that carbon emissions drives all of the climate change.
01:26:13.000Just for the sake of argument, so we're not arguing about weird science, let's just say that's true.
01:26:17.000Well, if you believe that, what would you want to do?
01:26:21.000The answer is that you'd want to reshore as much American manufacturing as possible, and you'd want to produce as much energy as possible in the United States of America, because we're the cleanest economy in the entire world.
01:26:32.000What have Kamala Harris's policies actually led to?
01:26:35.000More energy production in China, more manufacturing overseas, more doing business in some of the dirtiest parts of the entire world.
01:26:42.000And when I say that, I mean the amount of carbon emissions they're doing per unit of economic output.
01:26:47.000So if we actually care about getting cleaner air and cleaner water, the best thing to do is to double down and invest in American workers and the American people.
01:26:56.000And unfortunately, Kamala Harris has done exactly the opposite.
01:27:00.000Governor Walz, you have two minutes to respond.
01:27:02.000Well, we got close to an agreement because all those things are happening.
01:27:04.000Look, first of all, it is a horrific tragedy with this hurricane.
01:27:10.000And my heart goes out to the folks that are down there in contact with the governors.
01:27:14.000I serve as co-chair of the Council of Governors.
01:27:18.000We work together on these emergency management schemes.
01:27:27.000The federal government comes in, makes sure they're there to that we recover.
01:27:30.000But we're still in that phase where we need to make sure that they're staying there, staying focused.
01:27:34.000Now, look, coming back to the climate change issue, there's no doubt this thing roared onto the scene faster and stronger than anything we've seen.
01:27:41.000Senator Vance has said that there's a climate problem in the past.
01:27:44.000Donald Trump called it a hoax and then joked that these things would make more beachfront property to be able to invest in.
01:27:51.000What we've seen out of the Harris administration now, the Biden-Harris administration, is we've seen this investment.
01:27:57.000We've seen massive investments, the biggest in global history that we've seen in the Inflation Reduction
01:28:03.000Act has created jobs all across the country. Two thousand in Jeffersonville, Ohio, taking
01:28:08.000the EV technology that we invented and making it here. Two hundred thousand jobs across the
01:28:12.000country. The largest solar manufacturing plant in North America sits in Minnesota. But my farmers
01:29:42.000I think that's a slogan that often the Democrats will use here.
01:29:45.000I'm talking of course about the Democratic leadership and the real issue is that if you're spending hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars of American taxpayer money on solar panels that are made in China, number one, you're going to make the economy dirtier.
01:29:58.000We should be making more of those solar panels here in the United States of America.
01:30:02.000Some of them are, Tim, but a lot of them are being made overseas in China, especially the components that go into those solar panels.
01:30:53.000And thinking about how do we respond to that, we're thinking ahead on this.
01:30:57.000And what Kamala Harris has been able to do in Minnesota, we're starting to weatherproof some of these things.
01:31:02.000The infrastructure law that was passed allows us to think about mitigation in the future.
01:31:07.000How do we make sure that we're protecting by burying our power lines?
01:31:09.000How do we make sure that we're protecting lakefronts and things that we're seeing more and more of?
01:31:14.000But to call it a hoax and to take a The oil company executives to Mar-a-Lago say give me money for my campaign and I'll let you do whatever you want.
01:31:23.000We can be smarter about that and an all-above-energy policy is exactly what she's doing, creating those jobs right here.
01:31:52.000Israel in American history and to use the US military to do so. Could you be
01:31:58.000more specific about exactly how this will work? Never gonna happen. For example, would you
01:32:03.000deport parents who have entered the US illegally and separate them from any of
01:32:08.000their children who were born on US soil? That's a preview.
01:32:11.000You have two minutes. So first of all Margaret, before we talk about deportations we have to stop
01:32:15.000the We have a historic immigration crisis because Kamala Harris started and said that she wanted to undo all of Donald Trump's border policies.
01:32:26.00094 executive orders, suspending deportations, decriminalizing illegal aliens, massively increasing the asylum fraud that exists in our system.
01:34:15.000Mass deportations are not happening, obviously, based on that answer, which he has given many times.
01:34:25.000Yeah, well, the drug mule is not true, but I will say about this, about the fentanyl, because this is a crisis of this, the opioid crisis, and the good news on this is, is the last 12 months saw the largest decrease in opioid deaths in our nation's history.
01:34:38.00030% decrease in Ohio, but there's still more work to do.
01:34:41.000But let's go back to this on immigration.
01:34:43.000Kamala Harris was the Attorney General of the largest state and border state in California.
01:34:47.000She's the only person in this race who prosecuted transnational gangs for human trafficking and drug interventions.
01:36:40.000Margaret, my point is that we already have massive child separations thanks to Kamala Harris's open border.
01:36:45.000I didn't accuse Kamala Harris of inviting drug mules.
01:36:48.000I said that she enabled the Mexican drug cartels to operate freely in this country and we know that they use children as drug mules and it is a disgrace and it has to stop.
01:36:58.000Look, I think what Tim said just doesn't pass the smell test.
01:37:01.000For three years, Kamala Harris went out bragging that she was going to undo Donald Trump's border policy.
01:37:09.000We had a record number of illegal crossings.
01:37:11.000We had a record number of fentanyl coming into our country.
01:37:13.000And now, now that she's running for president, or a few months before, She says that somehow she got religion and cared a lot about a piece of legislation.
01:37:21.000The only thing that she did when she became the vice president, when she became the appointed border czar, was to undo 94 Donald Trump executive actions that opened the border.
01:37:33.000This problem is leading to massive problems in the United States of America.
01:37:38.000Parents who can't afford health care, schools that are overwhelmed, it's got to stop and it will when Donald Trump is president again.
01:38:04.000And we saw this, and Senator Vance, and it surprises me on this, talking about and saying I will create stories to bring attention to this.
01:38:11.000That vilified a large number of people who were here legally in the community of Springfield.
01:38:16.000The Republican governor said, it's not true, don't do it.
01:39:39.000Of course, additional resources would help.
01:39:41.000But most of this is about the president and the vice president empowering our law enforcement
01:39:45.000to say, if you try to come across the border illegally, you've got to stay in Mexico.
01:39:49.000You've got to go back through proper channels.
01:39:51.000Now, Governor Walz brought up the community of Springfield, and he's very worried about
01:39:56.000the things that I've said in Springfield.
01:39:58.000Look, in Springfield, Ohio, and in communities all across this country, you've got schools
01:40:05.000You've got hospitals that are overwhelmed.
01:40:07.000You have got housing that is totally unaffordable because we brought in millions of illegal immigrants to compete with Americans for scarce homes.
01:40:14.000The people that I'm most worried about in Springfield, Ohio, are the American citizens who have had their lives destroyed by Kamala Harris's open border.
01:41:32.000And just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who have legal status, temporary protected status.
01:41:43.000Well, Margaret, but... Senator, we have so much to get to.
01:41:46.000Margaret, I think it's important because... We're going to turn out of the economy, thank you.
01:41:49.000Margaret, the rules were that you guys weren't going to fact check, and since you're fact checking me, I think it's important to say what's actually going on.
01:41:56.000So there's an application called the CBP1 app.
01:41:59.000Or you can go on as an illegal migrant, apply for asylum, or apply for parole, and be granted legal status at the wave of a Kamala Harris open border wand.
01:42:10.000That is not a person coming in, applying for a green card, and waiting for 10 years.
01:42:14.000That is the facilitation of illegal immigration, Margaret, by our OW leadership.
01:42:18.000Thank you, Senator, for describing the legal process.
01:43:26.000The bold forward plan that Kamala Harris put out there is one is talking about this housing issue.
01:43:32.000The one thing is, there's 3 million new houses proposed under this plan with down payment assistance on the front end to get you in a house.
01:43:39.000A house is much more than just an asset to be traded somewhere.
01:45:27.000Well, first of all, you're going to hear a lot from Tim Walz this evening, and you just heard it in the answer.
01:45:31.000A lot of what Kamala Harris proposes to do, and some of it, I'll be honest with you, it even sounds pretty good.
01:45:37.000Here's what you won't hear, is that Kamala Harris has already done it.
01:45:41.000Because she's been the Vice President for three and a half years, she had the opportunity to enact all of these great policies, and what she's actually done instead is drive the cost of food higher by 25%.
01:45:52.00025 percent, drive the cost of housing higher by about 60 percent, open the American southern
01:45:58.000border and make middle class life unaffordable for a large number of Americans.
01:46:02.000If Kamala Harris has such great plans for how to address middle class problems, then
01:46:14.000And the fact that she isn't tells you a lot about how much you can trust her actual plans.
01:46:19.000Now Donald Trump's economic plan is not just a plan, but it's also a record.
01:46:24.000A lot of those same economists attack Donald Trump's plans, and they have PhDs, but they don't have common sense, and they don't have wisdom.
01:46:31.000Because Donald Trump's economic policies delivered the highest take-home pay in a generation in this country, 1.5% inflation, and to boot, peace and security all over the world.
01:46:42.000So when people say that Donald Trump's economic plan doesn't make sense, I say look at the
01:47:23.000I know a lot of you are worried about paying the bills.
01:47:26.000It's going to stop when Donald Trump brings back common sense to this country.
01:47:30.000Governor, do you want to respond to that?
01:47:31.000What has Kamala Harris done for the middle class?
01:47:33.000Well, Kamala Harris's day one was Donald Trump's failure on COVID that led to the collapse of our economy.
01:47:38.000We were already before COVID in a manufacturing recession, but 10 million people out of work, largest percentage since the Great Depression.
01:48:36.000Governor, you say trust the experts, but those same experts for 40 years said that if we shipped our manufacturing base off to China, we'd get cheaper goods.
01:48:53.000They were wrong about the idea that if we made America less self-reliant, less productive in our own nation, that it would somehow make us better off, and they were wrong about it.
01:49:03.000And for the first time in a generation, Donald Trump had the wisdom and the courage to say
01:49:08.000to that bipartisan consensus, we're not doing it anymore.
01:49:12.000We're bringing American manufacturing back.
01:50:03.000I think the thing that most concerns me on this is, is Donald Trump was the guy who created the largest trade deficit in American history with China.
01:50:50.000If you notice, what Governor Walz just did is he said, first of all, Donald Trump has to listen to the experts.
01:50:55.000And then when he acknowledged that the experts screwed up, he said, well, Donald Trump didn't do nearly as good of a job as the statistics show that he did.
01:51:02.000So what Tim Walz is doing, and I honestly, Tim, I think you got a tough job here.
01:51:06.000Because you've got to play whack-a-mole.
01:51:07.000You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver rising take-home pay, which of course he did.
01:51:12.000You've got to pretend that Donald Trump didn't deliver lower inflation, which of course he did.
01:51:17.000And then you simultaneously got to defend Kamala Harris's atrocious economic record, which has made gas, groceries, and housing unaffordable for American citizens.
01:51:26.000I was raised by a woman who would sometimes go into medical debt So that she could put food on the table in our household.
01:51:33.000I know what it's like to not be able to afford the things that you need to afford.
01:54:49.000went in and from that I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.
01:54:54.000Insane crash shop. You weren't prepared for that?
01:54:57.000Thank you Governor. Senator Vance, in 2016 you called your running mate Donald Trump
01:55:02.000unfit for the nation's highest office and you said he could be America's Hitler.
01:55:07.000I know you've said you've been asked many times and you've said you regret those
01:55:11.000comments and explained you then voted for Donald Trump in 2020.
01:55:15.000But the Washington Post reported new messages last week in which you also disparaged Trump's economic record while he was president, writing to someone in 2020, quote, Trump thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism.
01:55:30.000You're now his running mate, and you've shifted many of your policy stances to align with his.
01:55:36.000If you become vice president, why should Americans trust that you will give Donald Trump the advice he needs to hear, and not just the advice he wants to hear?
01:55:48.000Well, first of all, Margaret, because I've always been open.
01:55:50.000And sometimes, of course, I've disagreed with the president, but I've also been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump.
01:55:56.000I was wrong, first of all, because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.
01:56:02.000But most importantly, Donald Trump delivered for the American people.
01:56:06.000Rising wages, rising take-home pay, an economy that worked for normal Americans, a secure southern border, a lot of things, frankly, that I didn't think he'd be able to deliver on.
01:56:15.000And yeah, when you screw up, when you misspeak, when you get something wrong and you change your mind, you ought to be honest with the American people about it.
01:56:21.000It's one of the reasons, Margaret, why I've done so many interviews is because I think it's important to actually explain to the American people where I come down on the issues and what changed.
01:56:29.000Now, you pointed out some messages from 2020.
01:56:31.000Margaret, I've been extremely consistent that I think there were a lot of things that we could have done better in the Trump administration the first round.
01:57:25.000And it's the one issue, the most pro-worker part of the Biden administration, it's the one issue where Kamala Harris has run away from Joe Biden's record.
01:57:34.000If you're trying to employ slave laborers in China at $3 a day, you're going to do that and undercut the wages of American workers unless Our country stands up for itself and says you're not accessing our markets unless you're paying middle-class Americans a fair wage.
01:57:56.000Governor Walz, after Roe vs. Wade was overturned, you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.
01:58:07.000Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe abortion, quote, in the ninth month is absolutely fine.
01:59:19.000So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe vs. Wade.
01:59:24.000We made sure that we put Women in charge of their health care.
01:59:27.000But look, this is not where, if you don't know Amanda or a Hadley, you soon will.
01:59:33.000Their project 2025 is going to have a registry of pregnancies.
01:59:38.000It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access to infertility treatments.
01:59:47.000For so many of you out there listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I have a child.
01:59:52.000That's nobody else's business, but those things are being proposed.
01:59:56.000And the catch-all on this is, is, well, the states will decide what's right for Texas might not be right for Washington.
02:00:28.000And I want to talk about this issue because I know a lot of Americans care about it and I know a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever said on this topic.
02:00:35.000And, you know, I grew up in a working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they didn't have any other options.
02:00:47.000And, you know, one of them is actually very dear to me.
02:00:50.000And I know she's watching tonight and I love you.
02:00:53.000And she told me something a couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that abortion that it would have destroyed her life because she was in an abusive relationship.
02:01:02.000And I think that what I take from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the vulnerable, is that my party we've got to do so much better of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this issue
02:01:17.000where they frankly just don't trust us.
02:01:19.000And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I are endeavoring to do.
02:01:23.000I want us as a Republican party to be pro-family in the fullest sense of the word.
02:01:28.000I want us to support fertility treatments.
02:01:30.000I want us to make it easier for moms to afford to have babies.
02:01:33.000I want to make it easier for young families to afford a home
02:01:36.000so they can afford a place to raise that family.
02:01:39.000And I think there's so much that we can do on the public policy front
02:01:45.000Now, of course, Donald Trump has been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically,
02:01:50.000that we have a big country, and it's diverse.
02:01:53.000And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.
02:01:56.000Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona.
02:01:59.000And the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy sometimes is,
02:02:03.000is to let voters make these decisions.
02:02:06.000Let the individual states make their abortion policy.
02:02:09.000And I think that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse, and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided country.
02:02:18.000Governor, would you like to respond and also answer the question about restrictions?
02:02:21.000Yeah, well, the question got asked when Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.
02:02:26.000Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse states.
02:02:30.000There's a young woman named Amber Thurman.
02:02:32.000She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state.
02:02:35.000Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care.
02:02:42.000Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth.
02:02:47.000The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic as the right to control your own body, is determined on geography?
02:02:59.000There's a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.
02:03:26.000He mentioned, I think referring to a national ban.
02:03:28.000In the past, you have supported a federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.
02:03:34.000In fact, you said if someone can't support legislation like that, quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric pro-abortion regime anywhere in the entire world.
02:03:44.000My question is, why have you changed your position?
02:03:48.000Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
02:03:51.000I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022 talk about setting some minimum national standard.
02:03:55.000For example, we have a partial birth abortion ban in this in place in this country at the federal level.
02:04:00.000I don't think anybody's trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not, though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro-abortion stance.
02:04:06.000But Nora, you know, one of the things that changed is in the state of Ohio, we had a referendum.
02:04:11.000In 2023, and the people of Ohio voted overwhelmingly, by the way, against my position.
02:04:18.000And I think that what I learned from that Nora is that we've got to do a better job at winning back people's trust.
02:04:23.000So many young women would love to have families.
02:04:26.000So many young women also see an unplanned pregnancy as something that's going to destroy their livelihood, destroy their education, destroy their relationships.
02:04:33.000And we have got to earn people's trust back.
02:04:36.000And that's why Donald Trump and I are committed to pursuing He thinks he's clever, that's the problem.
02:04:41.000healthcare more accessible, making fertility treatments more accessible, because we've
02:04:44.000got to do a better job at that and that's what real leadership is.
02:05:04.000Physicians feeling like they may be prosecuted for providing that care.
02:05:08.000And as far as making sure that we're educating our children and giving them options, Minnesota's the state with one of the lowest teen pregnancy rates.
02:05:16.000We know that the options need to be available and we make that true.
02:05:20.000We also make it, we're a top three state for the best place to raise children.
02:05:25.000But these two things to try and say that we're pro-children but we don't like this or you guys are pro-abortion, that's not the case at all.
02:05:33.000We are pro freedoms for women to make their choices and we're going, and Kamala Harris is making the case, to make options for children more affordable, a $6,000 child tax credit, but we're not going to base that on the backs of making someone like Amber Thurman drive 600 miles to try and get health care.
02:07:06.000I've given this advice on a lot of things, that getting involved, getting against... That's been misread and it was fact-checked at the last debate.
02:07:11.000But the point on this is, is there's a continuation of these guys to try and tell women or to get involved.
02:07:17.000I use this line on this, just mind your own business on this.
02:07:20.000Things worked best when Roe vs. Wade was in place.
02:07:23.000When we do a restoration of Roe, that works best.
02:07:39.000So the hiding behind we're going to do all these other things, when you're not proposing them in your budget, Kamala Harris is proposing them.
02:07:46.000She's proposing all those things to make life easier for families.
02:07:49.000I asked a specific question, Governor.
02:10:59.000And the authentic, I guess the weak spot being authentic is sometimes you get caught off guard and kind of trip over yourself, which he has.
02:11:07.000I think the weak spot with being too slick is you come off inauthentic and fake.
02:11:14.000At the end of the day, I don't think any of it really matters that much because so far there hasn't really been a moment.
02:11:21.000The only big moment so far in the debate was when Walls embarrassed himself with the China answer.
02:11:28.000And it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't good.
02:11:31.000And on the other side, I think the moment with Vance is when he went on the offensive against the moderators.
02:12:57.000So let me ask you, earlier this year, for the first time, the parents of a school shooter were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 10 years in prison.
02:13:07.000Do you think holding parents responsible could curb mass shootings?
02:13:13.000Yeah, well, Norah, on that particular case, I don't know the full details, but I certainly trust local law enforcement and local authorities to make those decisions.
02:13:19.000I think in some cases the answer is going to be yes, and in some cases the answer is going to be no.
02:13:23.000And the details really matter here, of course.
02:13:25.000For example, if a kid steals a gun, that's going to be different than if a parent hands over a gun knowing that their kid is potentially dangerous.
02:13:32.000But look, I want to just sort of speak as a father of three beautiful little kids, and our oldest is now in second grade.
02:13:39.000And like a lot of parents, we send our kids to school with such hope and such joy and such pride at their little faces on the first day of school.
02:13:46.000And we know, unfortunately, that a lot of kids are going to experience this terrible epidemic of gun violence.
02:13:51.000And of course, our hearts go out to the families that are affected by this terrible stuff.
02:13:57.000And I think that Governor Walz and I actually probably agree that we need to do better on this.
02:14:00.000The question is just how do we actually do it?
02:14:03.000Now here's something that really bothers me and worries me about this epidemic of violence.
02:14:08.000The gross majority, close to 90% in some of the statistics I've seen, of the gun violence in this country is committed with illegally obtained firearms.
02:14:17.000And while we're on that topic, We know that thanks to Kamala Harris's open border, we've seen a massive influx in the number of illegal guns run by the Mexican drug cartels.
02:14:26.000So that number, the amount of illegal guns in our country is higher today than it was three and a half years ago.
02:14:35.000And I think the answer is, and I say this not loving the answer, Because I don't want my kids to go to school in a school that feels unsafe or where there are visible signs of security.
02:14:46.000But I unfortunately think that we have to increase security in our schools.
02:14:50.000We have to make the doors lock better.
02:14:53.000We've got to make the windows stronger.
02:14:55.000And of course, we've got to increase school resource officers because the idea that we can magically wave a wand and take guns out of the hands of bad guys, it just doesn't fit with recent experience.
02:15:05.000So we've got to make our schools safer.
02:15:24.000As a member of Congress, I sat in my office, surrounded by dozens of the Sandy Hook parents, and they were looking at my seven-year-old picture on the wall.
02:17:23.000And I appreciate what Tim said, actually, about Finland, because I do think it illustrates some of the, frankly, weird differences between our own country's gun violence problem and Finland.
02:17:34.000First of all, we have way higher rates of mental health substance abuse.
02:17:41.000We have way higher rates of depression, way higher rates of anxiety.
02:17:44.000We unfortunately have a mental health crisis in this country that I really do think that we need to get to the root causes of, because I don't think it's the whole reason why we have such a bad gun violence problem, but I do think it's a big piece of it.
02:17:55.000Another driver of the gun violence epidemic, especially that affecting our kids, it doesn't earn as many headlines, but is the terrible gun violence problem in a lot of our big cities.
02:18:05.000And this is why we have to empower law enforcement to arrest the bad guys Put them away and take gun offenders off the streets.
02:18:13.000I think there's a whole host of things that we can do here, but I do think at our schools we've got to talk about more security.
02:20:06.000We have, first let me say this, this issue of housing, and I think those of you listening on this, the problem we've had is that we've got a lot of folks that see housing as another commodity.
02:20:16.000It can be bought up, it can be shifted, it can be moved around.
02:20:20.000Those are not folks living in those houses.
02:20:22.000Those of you listening tonight, that house is a big deal.
02:20:24.000I bought and owned one house in my life.
02:20:27.000My mom still lives in the house where I was, and when I think of a house, I'm thinking of Christmas services after midnight mass where you go with your family.
02:20:36.000And one of the things, as I said, this program that the Vice President is pushing forward and bringing a new way of approaching this is something we're doing in Minnesota from that lead.
02:20:46.000We in the state invested in making sure our housing was the biggest investment that we'd ever made in housing.
02:21:15.000Now look, you're going to pay it back and you're going to pay your mortgage.
02:21:18.000Those are things that we know in the long run, the appreciated value, the generational wealth that's created from it.
02:21:23.000And I will give Minneapolis an example.
02:21:25.000Minneapolis is the one city where we've seen the lowest inflation rates.
02:21:28.000We've seen a 12% increase in stock because we put some of these things in.
02:21:33.000And we're implementing a state program to make sure we give some of that down payment assistance.
02:21:38.000We get it back from people because here's what we know.
02:21:41.000People with stable housing end up with stable jobs.
02:21:44.000People with stable housing have their kids able to be able to get to school.
02:21:48.000All of those things in the long run end up saving our money and that's the thing that I think we should be able to find some common ground in but we can't blame Immigrants, for the only reason, that's not the case that's happening in many cities.
02:22:00.000The fact of the matter is, is that we don't have enough naturally affordable housing, but we can make sure that the government's there to help kickstart it, create that base.
02:22:13.000Senator Vance, as far as your campaign's position, the promise is to seize federal lands to build homes, remove regulation, provide tax breaks, and cut back on immigration, which you say pushes up prices.
02:22:27.000Where are you going to build all the new homes you're promising and what part of any of this plan will provide immediate relief?
02:22:35.000Well, first of all, Tim just said something that I agree with.
02:22:39.000We don't want to blame immigrants for higher housing prices, but we do want to blame Kamala Harris for letting in millions of illegal aliens into this country, which does drive up costs, Tim.
02:22:50.00025 million illegal aliens competing with Americans for scarce homes is one of the most significant drivers of home prices in the country.
02:22:57.000It's why we have massive increases in home prices that have happened right alongside massive increases in illegal aliens.
02:23:06.000alien populations under Kamala Harris's leadership.
02:23:09.000Now Tim just mentioned a bunch of ideas.
02:23:11.000Now some of those ideas I actually think are halfway decent and some of them I disagree
02:23:14.000with, but the most important thing here is Kamala Harris is not running as a newcomer
02:24:23.000Well, what Donald Trump has said is we have a lot of federal lands that aren't being used for anything.
02:24:27.000They're not being used for a national park.
02:24:28.000They're not being used, and they could be places where we build a lot of housing.
02:24:32.000And I do think that we should be opening up building in this country.
02:24:36.000We have a lot of land that could be used.
02:24:38.000We have a lot of Americans that need homes.
02:24:41.000We should be kicking out illegal immigrants who are competing for those homes, and we should be building more homes for the American citizens who deserve to be here.
02:25:34.000He has 20% of the world's fresh water in Minnesota?
02:25:36.000protect. They're there for a reason. They belong to all of us. This is when you view housing and
02:25:42.000you view these things as commodities. Like there's a chance to make money here. Let's take this
02:25:46.000federal land and let's sell it to people for that. I think there's better ways to do this.
02:25:50.000We've seen it in Minnesota where it was 20% of the world's fresh water in Minnesota. And I'm still
02:25:56.000on this economist. You Senator Vance, you said you don't like the economists.
02:26:01.000Which economists are saying that it is immigrants that's adding to the cost?
02:26:04.000Governor, your time is up, but Senator, on that point, I'd like for you to clarify.
02:26:11.000There are many contributing factors to high housing costs.
02:26:14.000What evidence do you have that migrants are part of this problem?
02:26:19.000Well, there's a Federal Reserve study that we're happy to share after the debate.
02:26:22.000We'll put it up on social media, actually, that really drills down on the connection between increased levels of migration, especially illegal immigration and higher housing prices.
02:26:31.000Now, of course, Margaret, that's not the entire driver of higher housing prices.
02:26:35.000It's also the regulatory regime of Kamala Harris.
02:26:39.000Look we are a country of builders, we're a country of doers, we're a country of explorers.
02:26:44.000But we increasingly have a federal administration that makes it harder to develop our resources, makes it harder to build things, and wants to throw people in jail for not doing everything exactly as Kamala Harris says they have to do.
02:26:59.000And what that means is that you have a lot of people who would love to build homes who aren't able to build homes.
02:27:05.000We should get out of this idea of housing as a commodity, but the thing that has most turned housing into a commodity is giving it away to millions upon millions of people who have no legal right to be here.
02:28:26.000We're gonna cover Americans with pre-existing conditions.
02:28:29.000In fact, a lot of my family members have gotten healthcare.
02:28:32.000I believe, you know, members of my family actually got private health insurance, at least for the first time, switched off of Medicaid onto private insurance for the first time under Donald Trump's leadership.
02:28:42.000And I think that, you know, a lot of people have criticized this concepts of a plan remark.
02:28:48.000I think as Tim Walz knows from 12 years in Congress, you're not going to propose a 900 page bill standing on a debate stage.
02:28:54.000It would bore everybody to tears and it wouldn't actually mean anything because part of this is the give and take of bipartisan negotiation.
02:29:01.000Now, when Donald Trump was actually president—and again, he has a record to be proud of—prescription
02:29:05.000drugs fell in 2018 for the first time in a very long time under Kamala Harris's leadership.
02:29:11.000Prescription drugs are up about 7 percent.
02:29:13.000Under Donald Trump's entire four years, they were up about 1.5 percent.
02:29:32.000And we talked about, you know, the reinsurance regulations is what I was talking about.
02:29:36.000Look, Donald Trump has said that if we allow states to experiment a little bit on how to cover both the chronically ill, but the non chronically ill, it's not just a plan.
02:29:46.000He actually implemented some of these regulations when he was president of the United States.
02:29:51.000And I think you can make a really good argument that it salvaged Obamacare, which was doing disastrously until Donald Trump came along.
02:29:58.000I think it's an important point about President Trump.
02:30:00.000Of course, you don't have to agree with everything that President Trump has ever said or ever done, but when Obamacare was crushing under the weight of its own regulatory burden and healthcare costs, Donald Trump could have destroyed the program.
02:30:13.000Instead, he worked in a bipartisan way to ensure that Americans had access to affordable care.
02:30:19.000It's not perfect, of course, and there's so much more that we can do, but I think that Donald Trump has earned the right to put in place some better healthcare policies.
02:30:28.000He's earned it because he did it successfully the first time.
02:31:38.000Broke your foot during football, might kick you out.
02:31:40.000Your kids get kicked out when they're 26.
02:31:43.000Kamala Harris negotiated drug prices for the first time with Medicare.
02:31:47.000We have 10 drugs that will come online, the most common ones that'll be there.
02:31:51.000But look, this issue, and when Donald Trump said, I've got a concept of a plan, it cracked me up as a fourth grade teacher because my kids would have never given me that.
02:32:00.000But what Senator Vance just explained might be worse than a concept.
02:32:04.000Because what he explained is pre-Obamacare.
02:32:07.000And I'll make this as simple as possible because I have done this for a long time.
02:32:11.000What they're saying is, if you're healthy, why should you be paying more?
02:32:16.000So what they're going to do is let insurance companies pick who they insure.
02:34:21.000And when we are able to make it, and we are making it this way, when we incentivize people to be in the market, When we help people who might not be able to afford it get there, and we make sure then, when you get sick and old, it's there for you.
02:34:34.000Because I heard people say, well, I don't want to buy into Medicare or whatever.
02:34:37.000Good luck buying healthcare once you get past 70.
02:35:00.000There is a child care crisis in this country, and the United States is one of the very few developed countries in the world without a national paid leave program for new parents.
02:35:12.000Governor Walz, you've said that if Democrats win both the White House and Congress, this is a day one priority for you.
02:35:19.000How long should employers be required to pay workers while they are home taking care of their newborns?
02:35:31.000American sitting out there right now, you may work for a big company.
02:35:35.000Look, we're home in Minnesota to some of the largest Fortune 500 companies.
02:35:38.000Kamala Harris knows that in California.
02:35:41.000Those companies provide paid family medical leave.
02:35:44.000One is, I think they're moral and they think it's a good thing, but it also keeps their employees healthy.
02:35:49.000We in Minnesota passed a paid family medical leave.
02:35:51.000You have a child, you And I had to go back to work five days after my kids were born.
02:35:57.000This allows you to stay home a certain amount of time.
02:35:59.000What we know is, that gets the child off to a better start, the family works better, we stay in their employers, we get more consistency in that.
02:36:06.000So Kamala Harris has made it a priority.
02:36:08.000We implemented it in Minnesota and we see growth.
02:36:11.000That's how you become a pro-business state.
02:36:14.000But the negotiations on it, and here's the issue, those big companies are able to offer it, Those of you out there who don't have it, just imagine what happens if you get cancer or your child gets sick.
02:36:28.000In some cases, that means no paycheck because you've got no protection on that.
02:36:32.000This is the case of an economy that Donald Trump has set for the wealthiest amongst us.
02:36:37.000He's willing to give those Tax breaks to the wealthiest.
02:36:42.000He's willing to say, bust those unions up, do whatever.
02:36:45.000What we're saying is the economy works best when it works for all of us.
02:36:49.000And so a paid family medical leave program, and I will tell you, go to the families or go to the businesses and ask them.
02:36:56.000As far as child care on this, you have to take it at both the supply and the demand side.
02:37:01.000You can't expect the most important people in our lives to take care of our children, Or our parents to get paid the least amount of money.
02:37:08.000And we have to make it easier for folks to be able to get into that business and then to make sure that folks are able to pay for that.
02:37:14.000We were able to do it in Minnesota and I'm still telling you this.
02:37:21.000A federal program of paid family medical leave and help with this will enhance our workforce, enhance our families, and make it easier to have the children that you want.
02:37:43.000Yeah, well, first of all, Margaret, a number of my Republican colleagues and some Democrats, too, have worked on this issue.
02:37:47.000And I think there is a bipartisan solution here because a lot of us care about this issue.
02:37:51.000I mean, look, I speak from this very personally because I'm married to a beautiful woman who is an incredible mother to our three beautiful kids but is also a very, very brilliant corporate litigator.
02:38:03.000But being a working mom, even for somebody with all of the advantages of my wife, is extraordinarily difficult. And it's not just difficult from
02:38:11.000a policy perspective. She actually had access to paid family leave because she worked for a
02:38:15.000bigger company. But the cultural pressure on young families and especially young women, I
02:38:21.000think, makes it really hard for people to choose the family model they want. A lot of
02:38:25.000young women would like to go back to work immediately. Some would like to spend a little
02:39:16.000And, you know, of course, Tim and I have been on the campaign trail a lot the past seven or eight weeks, and one of the biggest complaints I hear from young families is people who feel like they don't have options, like they're choosing between going to work or taking care for their kids.
02:39:29.000That is an incredible burden to put on American families.
02:39:38.000You have also said, Senator Vance, many things about the American family.
02:39:44.000The Federal Reserve says parents will spend nearly as much on child care as they do on housing each month.
02:39:52.000So I want to get your thoughts on this.
02:39:54.000President Trump recently said, As much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we'll be taking in.
02:40:07.000Is President Trump committed to the $5,000 per child tax credit that you have described?
02:40:14.000Well, what President Trump said, Margaret, I just want to defend my running mate here a little bit, is that we're going to be taking in a lot of money by penalizing companies for shipping jobs overseas and penalizing countries who employ slave laborers and then ship their products back into our country and undercut the wages of American workers.
02:40:32.000It's the heart of the Donald Trump economic plan.
02:40:34.000Cut taxes for American workers and American families.
02:40:38.000Cut taxes for businesses that are hiring and building companies in the United States of America.
02:40:42.000But penalize companies and countries that are shipping jobs overseas.
02:40:46.000That's the heart of the economic proposal.
02:40:48.000And I think what President Trump is saying is that when we bring in this additional revenue with higher economic growth, we're going to be able to provide paid family leave, childcare options that are viable and workable for a lot of American families.
02:41:02.000Can you clarify how that will solve the childcare shortage?
02:41:07.000Well, because as Tim said, a lot of the childcare shortages, we just don't have enough resources going into the multiple people who could be providing family care options.
02:41:16.000And we're going to have to, unfortunately, look, we're going to have to spend more money.
02:41:20.000We're going to have to induce more people to want to provide childcare options for American families.
02:41:24.000Because the reason it's so expensive right now is because you've got way too few people providing this very essential service.
02:41:32.000Governor Walz, your ticket also has some childcare tax credit proposals.
02:41:38.000Do you think Congress will agree to the $6,000 credit for newborns and $3,000 credit for children over the age of six as your campaign has promised?
02:42:33.000And so I think the issue here is, if those members of Congress, I can't believe they're not, when I go to businesses, sure they'll talk about taxes sometime, but they will lead with childcare and they will lead with housing.
02:42:44.000Because we know the problem is, especially in a state like Minnesota, we need more workers because our economy's growing but we need the workforce.
02:43:00.000After the 2020 election, President Trump's campaign and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results.
02:43:07.000Judges, including those appointed by President Trump and other Republican presidents, looked at the evidence and said there was no widespread fraud.
02:43:17.000The governors of every state in the nation, Republicans and Democrats, certified the 2020 election results and sent a legal slate of electors to Congress for January 6th.
02:43:31.000Senator Vance, you have said you would not have certified the last presidential election and would have asked the states to submit alternative electors.
02:43:39.000That has been called unconstitutional and illegal.
02:43:43.000Would you again seek to challenge this year's election results?
02:43:52.000Well, Nora, first of all, I think that we're focused on the future.
02:43:55.000We need to figure out how to solve the inflation crisis caused by Kamala Harris's policies, make housing affordable, make groceries affordable, and that's what we're focused on.
02:44:03.000But I want to answer your question because you did ask it.
02:44:05.000Look, what President Trump has said is that there were problems in 2020, and my own belief is that we should fight about those issues, debate those issues, peacefully, in the public square, and that's all I've said, and that's all that Donald Trump has said.
02:44:19.000He said that on January the 6th, the protesters ought to protest peacefully.
02:44:23.000And on January the 20th, what happened?
02:44:46.000It's Americans casting aside lifelong friendships because of disagreements over politics.
02:44:52.000It's big technology companies silencing their fellow citizens.
02:44:55.000And it's Kamala Harris saying that rather than debate and persuade her fellow Americans,
02:45:00.000she'd like to censor people who engage in misinformation.
02:45:03.000I think that is a much bigger threat to democracy than anything that we've seen in this country in the last four years, in the last 40 years.
02:45:10.000Now, I'm really proud, especially given that I was raised by two lifelong blue-collar Democrats, to have the endorsement of Bobby Kennedy Jr.
02:45:18.000and Tulsi Gabbard, lifelong leaders in the Democratic coalition.
02:45:21.000And, of course, they don't agree with me and Donald Trump on every issue.
02:45:24.000We don't have to agree on every issue.
02:45:26.000But we're united behind a basic American First Amendment principle that we ought to debate our differences.
02:45:33.000them. We ought to try to persuade our fellow Americans Kamala Harris is
02:45:36.000engaged in censorship at an industrial scale. She did it during COVID. She's done
02:45:42.000it over a number of other issues and that to me is a much bigger threat to
02:45:45.000democracy than what Donald Trump said when he said that protesters should
02:45:50.000peacefully protest on January the 6th. Governor? Good answer.
02:45:54.000Well, I've enjoyed tonight's debate, and I think there was a lot of commonality here, and I'm sympathetic to misspeaking on things, and I think I might have with the Senator.
02:46:03.000There's one, though, that this one is troubling to me, and I say that because I think we need to tell the story.
02:46:08.000Donald Trump refused to acknowledge this, and the fact is that I don't think we can be the frog in the pot and let the boiling water go up.
02:47:22.000So, I think this issue of settling our differences at the ballot box, shaking hands when we lose, being honest about it, but to deny what happened on January 6th, the first time in American history, That a president or anyone tried to overturn a fair election and the peaceful transfer of power.
02:47:43.000And here we are, four years later, in the same boat.
02:47:46.000I will tell you this, that when this is over, we need to shake hands, this election, and the winner needs to be the winner.
02:47:58.000Senator Vance, did you want to respond to that?
02:48:00.000Yeah, well, look, Tim, first of all, it's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on January the 20th, as we have done for 250 years in this country.
02:48:15.000We are going to shake hands after this debate and after this election, and of course, I hope that we win, and I think we're going to win, but if Tim Walz is the next Vice President, he'll have my prayers, he'll have my best wishes, and he'll have my help whenever he wants it.
02:48:27.000But we have to remember that for years in this country, Democrats protested the results of elections.
02:48:33.000Hillary Clinton, in 2016, said that Donald Trump had the election stolen by Vladimir Putin because the Russians bought like $500,000 worth of Facebook ads.
02:48:43.000This has been going on for a long time.
02:48:46.000And if we want to say that we need to respect the results of the election, I'm on board.
02:48:50.000But if we want to say, as Tim Walz is saying, that this is just a problem that Republicans have had, I don't buy that.
02:48:55.000January 6th was not Facebook ads. And I think a revisionist history on this. Look, I don't understand.
02:51:48.000Will you keep your oath of office, even if the president doesn't?
02:51:52.000And I think Kamala Harris would agree.
02:51:54.000She wouldn't have picked me if she didn't think I would do that.
02:51:57.000Because, of course, that's what we would do.
02:51:59.000So, America, I think you've got a really clear choice on this election of who's going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor Donald Trump.
02:52:38.000The problem is they're both too agreeable.
02:52:45.000And what's really interesting is they're really like the same person.
02:52:49.000Vance and Walls were both chosen to be like the white person whisperer.
02:52:58.000Vance was chosen from Ohio, which used to be a swing state, now goes 10 points with Republicans because the people are culturally deeply conservative.
02:53:08.000Minnesota was a swing state in the past.
02:53:12.000Now Democrats win it by 10 points, full of white people, many rural farmers, things like that, but deeply culturally liberal.
02:53:23.000And they're both chosen to speak to these different like white demographics with a folksy American heartland kind of deal.
02:54:59.000I think what he thinks would go over the best, what will go over well with people, It's a self-conscious act.
02:55:08.000And that's why even though some of the answers are good, and I agree with some of it, I also think he's somebody that says what he thinks is gonna work.
02:55:18.000And you can't trust someone like that.
02:55:19.000I think we know who he is very clearly based on where he comes from and his world.
02:55:26.000Which is Peter Thiel, this weird photographer position that he had when he was in the Marines.
02:55:32.000Somehow he's at Yale, has a venture capital fund funded by Peter Thiel.
02:55:41.000I think he's very good at telling people what they like to hear.
02:55:43.000And I think the answers are less effective as a result.
02:55:48.000You know, on the abortion issue in particular, look, Republicans don't, it's not a winning issue for them, obviously.
02:55:55.000Women don't support the Republican position.
02:55:58.000If that's the case, you have to go into it understanding that and just push the Republican position that is going to win over the Republican voters.
02:56:06.000What I mean by that is the people that don't like Republicans on abortion, already don't like Republicans on abortion. If you go out
02:56:14.000and say something pro-life, you're not necessarily going to alienate anybody that isn't
02:56:21.000So the room for loss on that issue is with the people that do support you. That's why you go
02:56:28.000up and say something pro-life anyway. You're not actually going to lose anybody.
02:56:33.000You're only going to bolster the people that support you on the issue.
02:56:36.000But because he's so deeply self-conscious of the issue and trying to appeal to the most, he's going to go up and say, well, everyone hates us and we got to do a better job.
02:56:47.000That's like the perfect case study in why being a fake doesn't work.
02:57:06.000And I'm as surprised as anybody of this coalition that Kamala Harris has built, from Bernie Sanders to Dick Cheney to Taylor Swift, and a whole bunch of folks in between there.
02:57:16.000And they don't all agree on everything, but they are truly optimistic people.
02:57:21.000They believe in a positive future of this country, and one where our politics can be better than it is.
02:57:27.000And I have to tell you, that better than it is, is the sense of optimism that there can be an opportunity economy that works for everyone.
02:58:29.000Kamala Harris is bringing us a new way forward.
02:58:32.000She's bringing us a politics of joy, she's bringing real solutions for the middle class, and she's centering you at the heart of that.
02:58:39.000All the while asking everyone, join this movement, make your voices heard, let's look for a new day where everybody gets that opportunity and everybody gets a chance to thrive.
02:58:51.000I humbly ask for your vote on November 5th for Kamala Harris.
02:58:56.000Senator Vance, your closing statement.
02:58:58.000Well I want to thank Governor Walz, you folks at CBS, and of course the American people for tuning in this evening.
02:59:04.000One of the issues we didn't talk about was energy.
02:59:06.000And I remember when I was being raised by my grandmother, when she didn't have enough money to turn on the heat some nights because Ohio gets pretty cold at night, and because money was often very tight.
02:59:16.000And I believe, as a person who wants to be your next vice president, that we are a rich and prosperous enough country where every American, whether they're rich or poor, ought to be able to turn on their heat in the middle of a cold winter night.
02:59:28.000That's gotten more difficult thanks to Kamala Harris's energy policies.
02:59:32.000I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford a nice meal for your family.
02:59:37.000That's gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
02:59:40.000I believe that whether you're rich or poor, you ought to be able to afford to buy a house.
02:59:43.000You ought to be able to live in safe neighborhoods.
02:59:46.000You ought to not have your communities flooded with fentanyl.
02:59:49.000And that, too, has gotten harder because of Kamala Harris's policies.
02:59:53.000Now, I've been in politics long enough to do what Kamala Harris does when she stands before the American people and says that on day one, she's going to work on all these challenges I just listed.
03:00:03.000She's been the vice president for three and a half years.
03:00:07.000Day one was 1400 days ago, and her policies have made these problems worse.
03:00:13.000Now, I believe that we have the most beautiful country in the world.
03:00:16.000I meet people on the campaign trail who can't afford food, but have the grace and generosity
03:00:22.000to ask me how I'm doing and to tell me they're praying for my family.
03:00:25.000What that has taught me is that we have the greatest country, the most beautiful country,
03:00:30.000the most incredible people anywhere in the world, but they're not going to be able to
03:00:34.000achieve their full dreams with the broken leadership that we have in Washington.
03:00:40.000They're not going to be able to live their American dream if we do the same thing that we've been doing for the last three and a half years.
03:00:49.000We need a president who has already done this once before and did it well.
03:00:53.000Please vote for Donald Trump and whether you vote for me or vote for Tim Walz, I just want to say I'm so proud to be doing this and I'm rooting for you.
03:02:09.000And I think that probably favors Democrats.
03:02:13.000Because I think that, you know, here's what we have to understand.
03:02:18.000These debates are not happening in a vacuum.
03:02:20.000They're happening in the context of an intense environment of media programming.
03:02:28.000So if you watch CBS or ABC or NBC on a typical night, it is constant, unceasing, over-the-top liberal propaganda about climate change, about democracy, about shootings, about race.
03:02:46.000And so if the debate is a wonky, boring debate, Well, the rules have already been defined.
03:02:54.000The victory condition has already been defined by the moderators.
03:02:59.000And a presidential candidate can't articulate and promulgate a completely alternative worldview with the economy of the speaking time they have in the debate.
03:03:10.000You can't answer a question about You know, they ask about climate change.
03:03:15.000You can't repudiate climate change in a presidential debate, but yet somehow you're supposed to answer satisfactorily about climate change-related policy.
03:03:28.000And what Trump understood uniquely—here's why I'm arguing for the Trump style.
03:03:33.000Is that you're not only fighting the opponent, you're also fighting the media.
03:03:37.000You're also fighting this matrix, this created reality that the population inhabits because the media is biased, because the ecosystem is saturated by the other side.
03:03:50.000The only way to punch through that is with tactics.
03:04:00.000It's with very strong, bold, and a kind of like shamelessness that Trump has.
03:04:08.000It's a lack of self-awareness, where Trump would come in and say, they're raping everybody, climate change is a hoax, this and that, and it was bold, he's not thinking twice, he's not looking over his shoulder, it's not filled with self-doubt or self-consciousness.
03:04:25.000He said, he asserted the worldview that his followers believe in, and yeah, liberals don't agree with that, and it's going to be shocking to liberals, and they're going to make faces, and they're going to go, ugh, they're going to scoff at it.
03:04:42.000But he bypassed the moderators, bypassed the media, bypassed the ecosystem.
03:04:50.000And I think that's how he was able to hijack the media and make it effective for a Republican.
03:04:56.000What Vance demonstrated in this debate is, I think, really the weakness of the Republican program.
03:05:02.000They ask about climate change, and Vance comes in with this kind of like, well, let's say for the sake of argument that climate change is real and has something to do with emissions.
03:05:13.000And he goes, because I don't want to get into science, because you know, again, you're not winning that one.
03:05:19.000You're not overturning that in this debate.
03:05:21.000He goes, well, if all that is true, well, Then we need to reshore manufacturing?
03:05:29.000And then Walls gives the correct answer, the liberal correct answer on how we're going to fix climate change.
03:06:40.000People are gonna get guns, and they're gonna do bad stuff with them.
03:06:44.000Consequently, the vast majority of the people that do those things are black people, and it's typically gang-related, and it's not antisocial, mass casualty violence or mental illness.
03:06:56.000It's low IQ, black people, no fathers in the home, that kind of thing.
03:07:03.000And so you understand that instead of, like, reframing the question in a punchy, sensational, provocative way, in an incisive way, with rhetoric, Vance does this kind of, like, self-conscious, self-hating, like, hey, I know Republicans suck on the issue, but look, school shootings are what they are, we need to fortify the schools.
03:07:24.000This is an answer that really does nothing for Republicans, because liberals have the better answer, given the premise which liberals set.
03:07:33.000Liberals set the table and then they come in with the correct offering, with the better offering.
03:07:40.000A Republican like Vance comes in, acknowledges, hey, you know, I know everyone hates us and we suck, but here's what we're going to say anyway.
03:08:18.000That is the death of good politics, is trying to be too clever and trying to be too self-aware and too self-conscious and finding the smart pivot.
03:09:21.000It's like, if you come in too self-conscious, kind of with a pleading, desperate appeal, trying to get people to like you, it has a repellent effect.
03:09:52.000I would say Vance probably gave more articulate, technically better answers.
03:09:57.000But I think because the table is set in a certain way, I think Walls won more issues.
03:10:02.000I think given the slate of issues, climate change, abortion, school shootings, childcare, these are all issues that play well for liberals.
03:10:11.000These are all issues that play well to big government, nurturing feminine liberals, What's the answer for healthcare?
03:10:32.000So the table was set, Walls did an adequate job playing like the white liberal, you know.
03:10:42.000That's their version of the race card now is to find like a token folksy white male to talk to the white people that they all fucking hate in the states they need to win.
03:10:54.000So yeah, I think Vance—and look, I don't like Vance at all.
03:10:59.000I think a lot of what he's saying, he just—that became his opinion recently out of political necessity, so I don't believe anything he's saying.
03:11:11.000He's obviously very intelligent, very articulate, I think too clever for his own good.
03:11:15.000I think on a technical basis, on points, his answers are probably better.
03:11:20.000Again, I think, though, the way the table is set with the issues, Walls is more authentic.
03:11:53.000If you don't have the big personality on the Republican side, if you're not, if you don't have that Trump effect, I think it's just devastating for Republicans.
03:12:20.000The Democrats basically have a coalition of, like, retarded voters.
03:12:23.000It's like idealistic young kids who are like, just give everyone everything, man, and be nice.
03:12:29.000Non-white people, like, who even knows how much of this stuff they even understand?
03:12:34.000Women, as you know, women are totally emotional, too empathetic.
03:12:40.000They're just never going to vote for, like, what needs to be done.
03:12:45.000And so what you're left with is Republicans and Democrats kind of playing a turnout game, maybe fighting for some white people in the middle.
03:12:53.000And so it's really the Republicans' job to fire up the base to compete with the built-in advantage that Democrats have.
03:13:02.000Democrats are turning out The blacks, young people and women, especially with early voting, especially with in-person absentee, it's the Republicans' job to get their white people fired up, convinced, excited to vote on election day because that's when they vote.
03:13:19.000And if you're not big, if you're not, if it's not strong, if it's not sensational, if you're not earning media by being provocative, I think you're behind.
03:13:32.000Trump came in, changed politics forever, he changed the rules of the game, he reinvented the Republican playbook, and he found a way to win.
03:13:40.000I think Republicans, the reality is, we're getting to a point where there's not a map for Republicans to win.
03:13:48.000There's just too many non-whites in Texas.
03:13:50.000There's too many non-whites in Georgia.
03:13:52.000There's too many non-whites in Florida.
03:14:10.000Trump reinvented the playbook, found a way for Republicans to win, and that was by Attacking a vulnerability with the Democrats, which was the white males and maybe whites in general, that they had forgotten about with the race-based politics in the Rust Belt.
03:15:25.000And that's because in every one of those elections, you add Trump or Republicans in general running the conventional playbook that never won.
03:17:23.000So you know like on a technical level people could people can analyze the strikes and the and the passes and the catches and things like and on a technical level I think he gave a sound performance again he's clever he's intelligent but if you're looking at kind of the the game sense if you're kind of looking at the meta the like state of the game He doesn't get it.
03:17:48.000And again, for the same reasons people say it's a good debate because it was civil, conciliatory, fact-based, policy-focused.
03:17:58.000All of those things don't favor Republicans because the media has set the table with their chosen facts, their chosen issues, matrix of information.
03:18:15.000A question like the state of democracy?
03:18:17.000I mean, what the fuck kind of question is that?
03:18:21.000We move on to the topic of the state of democracy.
03:18:41.000They're so important that they ship ballots out to every voter, and then people throw them in a box in the middle of the park, and then they collect them, and no one can ask questions about it.
03:18:54.000And it's like, that's something that Vance should have said in a way that was punchy and simple, in simple language, slowly and provocative.
03:19:10.000And it's like it was too clever, too technical, the table set against you, you know, and that's just the ecosystem you're in.
03:19:19.000The only way to fight is to bypass it with strong counterattacks, punch them in the face, catch them off guard in a way that isn't self-conscious.
03:19:35.000You have a war going on, they ban people from talking about it.
03:19:39.000You had a pandemic, they forced people to get a vaccine, and you'd be fired if you didn't take it, and they banned you from talking about it.
03:19:45.000Like that, that's the kind of element that I'd go for, but it's using strong, punchy language, strong, forceful, with gravitas, not this like, well, look, the Harris-Biden administration, blah, blah, blah.
03:20:24.000But it's interesting just to see because Vance Is maybe the best possible example of what a post-Trump Republican Party looks like, given that he's the vice president, and therefore, if Trump wins, the heir apparent.
03:20:41.000But he's also a senator that got elected in a now Republican state that used to be a swing state after the Trump loss in 2020.
03:20:51.000He's somebody that is promulgating a MAGA doctrine, but without the kind of Trump Affectation.
03:20:59.000So maybe more than anything else, the debate doesn't say anything about the election, but it does give us a clue into what Vance is about and what the GOP might what the factions are going to look like after Trump exits the scene, whether it's in 2025 or 2029.
03:21:16.0002025 or 2029 and it's not looking good.
03:21:20.000So that's kind of my review of the debate.
03:21:25.000It's interesting, though, that Walls is such a throwback.
03:21:40.000I don't know if it was an attack, but it wasn't really like a kind way to reference it.
03:21:45.000He kind of hit the far left with the Green New Deal.
03:21:49.000He said, look, I'm a gun owner and I used to have a shotgun in my car.
03:21:54.000They're clearly embracing a more cultural conservatism.
03:21:59.000That, Walz, as the vice president, is kind of a commentary on how clearly both parties recognize the need to appeal to white people and that white people are very culturally conservative.
03:22:12.000They, you know, they want to take guns, but they also like guns.
03:22:17.000And they, they're not racist, but they also think immigration is a problem and they love America like they're deeply patriotic.
03:22:25.000So there is this kind of reluctant acceptance that whites are still a deciding factor in the country, which is why both parties have to appoint a kind of folksy minstrel show as their vice president.
03:23:08.000But pretty big stream, so thanks everybody for tuning in.
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03:25:27.000Can you talk more about that? I hate when people say it like that.
03:25:30.000Yeah. What I mean by that is, one, I think that God does punish and reward us in time,
03:25:44.000as well as in the afterlife, based on our moral actions, you know?
03:25:51.000Of course, people understand that our sins will be paid for in the afterlife, in purgatory or in hell, and the idea is that sin cannot enter heaven.
03:26:03.000So if the judgment that you face immediately after death sends you to heaven, but you have sins that have not been atoned for yet, you go through purgatory and your sins are painfully burned off before the final judgment at the end of the world when you then enter heaven.
03:26:26.000And so there's a punishment, all of the sins that you commit in your life, venial sins or mortal sins, they are dealt with one way or another in the afterlife.
03:29:13.000And by the way, So if there are punishments for sins in the afterlife, and if there are punishments for individual sins in the world, well obviously if lots of people in society are committing sins, then society is going to start to break apart.
03:29:32.000Case in point, our society is godless.
03:29:36.000People don't believe in God, they don't go to church, sexual immorality is rampant, but there's also laziness, there's disrespect for the parents and for traditions, there's a lack of temperance, there's a lack of prudence.
03:31:35.000They think that it's antiquated, the idea that you get married and have a bunch of kids, as opposed to planning your pregnancy and using contraceptives and getting a girlfriend or a long-term partner and having sex out of wedlock.
03:32:55.000It's like, okay, so you're part of the problem.
03:32:59.000Why would you expect things to get better?
03:33:01.000Who's going to be a part of the solution?
03:33:03.000If you won't even be a part of it, where are all these angels that are going to start behaving better and make the country the way it needs to be?
03:33:11.000So it starts with taking moral accountability on an individual level and doing things, doing the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing.
03:33:21.000And only then, I think, can we inspire the kind of reform and embody the kind of will and spirit that be required to change civilization.
03:33:30.000If it's a bunch of, like, faggots and degenerates and, you know, junkies and freaks and weirdos, And they're behaving with these anti-civilizational behaviors, but they're making all the right arguments.
03:33:56.000Like, the Jews are very serious about having kids because they have a theological conviction in their promised land and the chosenness and their role in creation and salvation of the world.
03:34:10.000Like, they take that very seriously and they live it and they're deadly serious.
03:34:14.000You have people that call themselves white nationalists, and they marry Asians and Hispanics.
03:34:20.000You have people that call themselves white nationalists, and they're just, like, complete degenerates.
03:34:26.000They're complete, like, vagabonds and just, like, simpletons.
03:34:30.000And it's like, okay, so, if, like, they don't bring the seriousness to the table to even compete against the other forces.
03:34:40.000Let alone to do anything on their own, independently of that.
03:40:42.000I saw... I heard about this hurricane and then I looked at the map and it's like... I don't even understand how that's possible for that much devastation that far inland.
03:45:05.000Because if you look at the effect that the debate has, Trump going really hard and sensational on immigration gave him a week of earned media.
03:45:16.000Trump literally, in that debate performance, regained the initiative.
03:45:20.000And it's starting to taper, because I think the Chris Lasovitas prevailed in his camp, and I think he's moderating a little bit.
03:45:29.000But that debate, and the ensuing rallies, he owned the media for a week, and immigration was at the top, and Republicans went on that issue.
03:45:38.000And, you know, that's when the betting odds and the polling started to flip again.
03:45:43.000I thought that was actually effective.
03:45:45.000Those clips, those talking points, they forced the conversation and they dominated the media.
03:45:52.000And, you know, that's kind of half the battle with the election.
03:45:58.000Vance is more articulate and it's more intellectual, but I think with what you're trying to do with the debate, I think it, When push comes to shove, I think it has less impact.
03:46:09.000And that's really what you want to maximize for is impact.
03:47:07.000And so, when we get there, you know, the thing is about Ye, which is so, like, endearing, is that he has this big personality, so confident, so, uh, some would say obnoxious, belligerent, you know, but in person he's very anxious.
03:47:32.000And you could see he gets overwhelmed very easily.
03:48:03.000Initially, Ye was like not talking at all.
03:48:06.000He was just like nervous, like a little boy.
03:48:09.000And Trump was trying to make conversation with them, trying to make conversation about politics, about music, about different things, and Ye was just not giving them anything, not talkative at all.
03:48:19.000And if you've seen Ye on the talk shows, you maybe are familiar with this.
03:48:25.000Like when he was on with Jimmy Kimmel, he's giving like one-word answers, kind of like tapping his feet, kind of nervous.
03:52:38.000Well, if you want to hear about the entire history of the Middle East and geopolitics and the geopolitical future of the world order, watch this show.
03:52:45.000If you want to hear about how the Democrats fumbled the response to the hurricane because they're too liberal, you can watch Steven Crowder.
03:53:58.000They have a lot of Italians down there.
03:54:00.000I was thinking I could totally go and rescue some Italian, Argentine woman and who in poverty, who's like, you know, suffering and can't get a job and hungry.