America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - What is Traditionalism feat. Truediltom | America First Ep. 211

00:00:04.000 Good evening, everybody.

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00:00:07.000 My name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

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00:00:13.000 I just got to check something out real quick.

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00:00:16.000 That was a close one.

00:00:17.000 I had my stream going on in the other window.

00:00:19.000 You're about to hear a very strong reverberation there.

00:00:22.000 You're going to hear it on repeat.

00:00:24.000 So glad I caught that really quickly.

00:00:25.000 Not a very clean intro, but that's all right.

00:00:28.000 We've got a great show for you tonight.

00:00:30.000 Lots to talk about.

00:00:31.000 We have a very special guest joining us.

00:00:34.000 He is here by Popular.

00:00:36.000 And very, I don't, I guess you could say, I mean, your people really do persevere.

00:00:41.000 They really are adamant.

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00:00:45.000 It's True Dill Tom here to talk with us about traditionalism.

00:00:48.000 How's it going?

00:00:50.000 Thanks, Nick.

00:00:50.000 Yeah, good.

00:00:51.000 Thanks for having me on.

00:00:52.000 I'm a big fan of the show.

00:00:53.000 Watch it all the time.

00:00:54.000 And thank you for having me.

00:00:57.000 Thanks.

00:00:58.000 Thanks for coming.

00:00:59.000 It's good to have you.

00:00:59.000 Like I said, I mean, because I've seen some of your content before.

00:01:03.000 I watched you.

00:01:04.000 I think the first time I saw you was.

00:01:07.000 You were on the public space with JF and Richard Spencer was running late, I think, and you guys were supposed to have a discussion.

00:01:15.000 So I ended up watching.

00:01:16.000 I thought it was pretty good, and then I watched some of your videos.

00:01:19.000 But what really brought you on the show?

00:01:21.000 Because, you know, I know a lot of people and I don't really think to bring them on, but I mean, you have some persistent fans who are DMing me, and I don't even reply every time because I'm not very good with the replying.

00:01:32.000 But just, have you talked to True Dill Tom?

00:01:34.000 Have you talked to True Dill Tom?

00:01:35.000 Have you emailed True Dill Tom?

00:01:37.000 And I'm like, all right, all right, all right.

00:01:37.000 Are you going to set it up?

00:01:41.000 But.

00:01:42.000 I mean, I'm glad to have you on now.

00:01:44.000 So, just tell us a little bit about yourself.

00:01:47.000 I mean, I know you're a YouTuber.

00:01:48.000 I know you do kind of the shorter, you do some live streams, but I see you do some of the shorter, more edited videos about conservatism, about economics, about traditionalism.

00:01:59.000 And so, just give us a short little introduction of what you're all about.

00:02:03.000 Yeah.

00:02:03.000 So, I mean, most recently I've kind of taken to the neo reaction tradition, or the dark enlightenment, as it's often called.

00:02:11.000 And so, I'm very interested in power analysis.

00:02:13.000 But that's kind of like a more modern thing.

00:02:15.000 Sometimes people are introduced from my older videos, and I have some videos that aren't all these kind of like 10 minute, like SJW debunked videos.

00:02:23.000 I don't really do them.

00:02:25.000 I'm more interested in introducing ideas to people that they may not have thought of.

00:02:29.000 So, you know, I have like a 50 minute video on monarchy and democracy, which is kind of an examination of the economics of monarchism and how a lot of this kind of economic decline under democracy is maybe something intrinsic to the system itself, for instance.

00:02:48.000 And, um, So that's kind of the type of content I produce, really.

00:02:51.000 It'll just be like 20 to an hour long videos just explaining ideas that I hope the audience hasn't heard of. 0.80

00:03:00.000 If it's an idea that I think somebody is well aware of, like it's some really commonplace conservative talking point, then I'm probably not going to be inclined to make the video because that's kind of, yeah, I don't want to pollute the public space, as it were, with information that everybody's already aware of to just like circle jerk, you know?

00:03:17.000 It's not my style.

00:03:18.000 Well, that's good.

00:03:19.000 That's good.

00:03:19.000 And, It's interesting because that's a very similar reason to why I started live streaming.

00:03:24.000 And it's funny you mention that because what I see so often, and people get away with it like crazy, but you get a lot of YouTubers specifically on the right, and it's all the same cookie cutter stuff.

00:03:37.000 It's all the same talking points, it's all the same issues, it's all the same format.

00:03:41.000 And this is one of the reasons I've had difficulty finding a reason or motivation to produce the shorter content because I'm all ready to go, I'm all set up, but then I think, you know, I'm just introducing.

00:03:52.000 Something that's already been said, and you see that same kind of thing where there, and I don't want to name any names, but you see some of the bigger YouTubers, and it's all the same.

00:04:00.000 So it's good to hear because, particularly with the neo reactionary, the NRX, the neo reactionary kind of thinking, it is really esoteric.

00:04:10.000 And I do think a big part of what me, myself, I think you and many others are doing in the right wing, maybe picking up the pieces from what remains of the dissident right from the last two years, is kind of decoding a very esoteric and inaccessible, I don't even want to call it an ideology.

00:04:29.000 I think in some ways it almost transcends or is outside of ideology or beyond ideology.

00:04:34.000 Which is the neo reaction, which is tradition or conservatism, the kind of ideas that you don't hear about from the Young Americans for Liberty or from the American Enterprise Institute or those kinds of think tanks, making the case for monarchy, making the case for those kinds of things that we just don't hear the other side of the coin.

00:04:53.000 So I do appreciate that because I think, in large measure, we kind of share the same idea.

00:04:58.000 And I think this is a good place to start on the conversation I just had my debate with Adam Kokish over the weekend, libertarian versus statism.

00:05:06.000 And this is something that I think is another similarity between us, where we both came from a position of the free market economic type.

00:05:14.000 I've seen you've done videos on the Austrian school.

00:05:17.000 And I was a very similar, I followed a very similar development where, and I think a lot of people in this kind of segment of the right wing did as well, where we looked at the free market, we looked at the Austrian school, the libertarian kind of thing.

00:05:31.000 And for many of us, we've come a long way from then over the past couple of years, a long way into a more traditional.

00:05:38.000 And traditionally conservative, perhaps a more authoritarian mindset.

00:05:41.000 And so, why don't we just start talking about that?

00:05:44.000 What was that like for you?

00:05:45.000 What drove you from libertarian free market to you describe yourself as an absolutist?

00:05:51.000 What made that journey for you?

00:05:54.000 Yeah.

00:05:55.000 So, you kind of do, you get this large group of guys on the internet these days, on the trad right, and they're coming from the libertarian corners of the internet, similar to how I did.

00:06:06.000 There's these types of people, and they read like Hans Hermann Hopper's.

00:06:09.000 The God That Failed, which is seen as kind of the magnum opus of like paleo libertarianism, I suppose.

00:06:14.000 And in this book, he talks about how say minorities need to realize that if it wasn't for traditional patriarchal society, then they wouldn't be able to live their like alternative lifestyles, which is like a word Hopper always uses, and maintain that same standard of living that they get to in the Western world. 0.73

00:06:35.000 And you know, this is obviously true and it's an important talking point.

00:06:37.000 It's how I first became interested in traditionalism in the first place, I kind of realized.

00:06:43.000 That liberty as itself is really just the byproduct of this long process of socialization.

00:06:52.000 It's not the fact that liberty is the cornerstone of society.

00:06:57.000 Instead, it's reversed.

00:06:58.000 It's something that is produced by it.

00:07:01.000 And it is a fruit, it is a benefit, it's a luxury in many ways.

00:07:04.000 And so, looking towards traditionalism as a means of laying out the foundation for liberty is certainly true.

00:07:15.000 And I suppose it's an important talking point.

00:07:18.000 But the fact is that in the modern neoliberal era where the good life is defined entirely in.

00:07:29.000 You all right there?

00:07:31.000 I don't know if that's a glitch.

00:07:33.000 He told me, I will clarify at the outset, Mr. True Dill Tom told me that he might have to mute himself for a short minute.

00:07:41.000 He said it's like there's something going on where he's living.

00:07:45.000 I guess it'll just be a brief outage, just kind of to continue on that while he's taking a breather, maybe perhaps for a moment.

00:07:52.000 I think he makes a good point.

00:07:53.000 I think he can still hear me.

00:07:55.000 I'll check my DMs in a moment.

00:07:57.000 But I think True Delton makes a very good point about liberty being a product and the result of a process.

00:08:03.000 I will say that for myself, and I think many people, the awakening was about demographics.

00:08:10.000 If you looked at which populations supported the things that we liked and we thought were just basically axiomatic, things like free speech, things like private property, things like the right to bear arms, for example, we looked at those kinds of things and we looked at Who actually supported them in elections or otherwise, even just in gross terms, even if you look around the world.

00:08:34.000 And after enough pattern recognition, after you look at enough data, you get enough of a feel for what's really going on, what underlies the systems, you start to realize there's no way that liberty is an end in and of itself.

00:08:49.000 It's not the cornerstone, it is a product of things like Christianity, of things like the European race, of things like Western culture, Western history.

00:08:59.000 As a product rather than a cause in and of itself.

00:09:02.000 And so I think that is a big part of it.

00:09:05.000 He brought up Hoppe.

00:09:06.000 He brought up a kind of paleo libertarian mindset.

00:09:10.000 Of course, Hoppe said he was a libertarian, but he believed that liberty could only be derived through a very statist, some might describe a fascist sort of a government, where you would have a sort of, in the same way that Lenin saw that the Soviet government would be a vanguard that would guide the transition from capitalism to socialism.

00:09:31.000 In a similar vein, Hoppe said that there would be some kind of a state like Augusto Pinochet, for example, in Chile.

00:09:36.000 He's the classical example.

00:09:38.000 Or others where a socialist or some kind of other society transitions into a more libertarian society.

00:09:46.000 But of course, anybody who reads Hoppe or looks at Pinochet or looks at those examples understands that perhaps you can't have total political liberty or total political, or rather, liberty in any other sphere to achieve the economic liberty that we desired.

00:10:02.000 And so I think that's a great point.

00:10:03.000 Is he.

00:10:04.000 It looks like he left the call.

00:10:06.000 Let me check.

00:10:08.000 Let me check and see what's going on.

00:10:09.000 If that was an internet issue or what?

00:10:14.000 I'm sure people are in the voice chat frantically.

00:10:17.000 He left the call.

00:10:18.000 He left the call.

00:10:19.000 Let me see if I could get a link going for him.

00:10:24.000 Isn't that great?

00:10:24.000 I'm not sure.

00:10:25.000 I think he's dead.

00:10:27.000 There he is.

00:10:29.000 Hello, good guy.

00:10:30.000 I was just talking to myself.

00:10:35.000 Oh, you went on.

00:10:36.000 Oh, okay.

00:10:37.000 How long was I gone for?

00:10:40.000 Not long, I think, like probably about a minute and a half, two minutes.

00:10:46.000 What was the last thing I was saying when I cut off?

00:10:48.000 Because I was speaking the whole time.

00:10:49.000 What happened?

00:10:51.000 Was it an internet disconnection or what was this?

00:10:53.000 Yeah, the window just crashed.

00:10:55.000 Gotcha.

00:10:56.000 Well, that happens.

00:10:56.000 Okay.

00:10:58.000 I think you left off basically talking about how liberty, and forgive me because I don't remember the exact point, but you were basically explaining that liberty is the end result of a process rather than.

00:11:10.000 The cornerstone itself of your worldview.

00:11:13.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:11:13.000 And so.

00:11:14.000 So that was my basic point.

00:11:17.000 My basic point was that these mores, like sexual purity, as it's sometimes put, resisting hookup culture and drug culture, these traditions find their justification and they find their justification in a wholly separate metaphysic that was abandoned by the modern world.

00:11:40.000 And the genuine traditionalists would be seen as a.

00:11:43.000 By even the trad libertarian types.

00:11:45.000 They wouldn't be able to reconcile their worldview because it is one that is entirely not concerned with the operational, with categorization, with measuring.

00:11:57.000 That's a very modern way of thinking.

00:11:59.000 And so, the point being that the libertarian liberals, modern conservatives, and so on, they have no metaphysic.

00:12:06.000 They have no concern for the realm of being and are focused entirely in the realm of becoming, which is two concepts that are core to traditionalist thinking.

00:12:16.000 So, my greater point is that that's how I really got into traditionalism. 0.57

00:12:19.000 I came in through this materialist framework and started to understand that perhaps a more productive and economically fulfilling lifestyle could be lived with a nuclear family and so forth.

00:12:32.000 And then I came to realize that these traditions, these social conservatisms, as they were, are much more valuable, not in themselves, but as the product of a larger sacral metaphysic.

00:12:45.000 And so That's how I really got interested in it.

00:12:49.000 Yeah, no, and I was just saying while you were gone, I think that is the basic path.

00:12:54.000 I think a lot of people start to see the nuclear family and restrictionist immigration and Republican leadership, at least in America.

00:13:03.000 We start to see those various pieces of a traditionalist puzzle come together or a traditionalist metaphysics come together at first in service of the materialist ends, at first saying, well, do you want free markets?

00:13:17.000 If you want.

00:13:18.000 Economic prosperity, well, you're probably going to have to have some degree of tradition. 0.94

00:13:22.000 You're probably going to have to have a majority white population. 0.91

00:13:25.000 You're probably going to have to have a virtuous population and that kind of thing. 0.89

00:13:30.000 And then I think that leads to the discovery that, well, no, no, no, it's not, you're putting the cart before the horse at that point.

00:13:37.000 You're starting to, at that point, you start to realize that perhaps the family, perhaps the virtue, perhaps that loyalty to a greater nation or a greater tradition, perhaps that in and of itself is valuable as opposed to just in service to.

00:13:50.000 The economic well being.

00:13:52.000 So I think it's one that there's a steady pipeline, they call it, from the libertarians to the more alt right, so called, the NRX, that kind of flavor.

00:14:02.000 And I have to say that I've gone down that road.

00:14:05.000 I know a lot of people have gone down that road.

00:14:07.000 And you talk about the metaphysic of measuring.

00:14:11.000 You talk about the metaphysics about being concerned with being rather than becoming.

00:14:16.000 Can you elaborate on that and explore that a little bit?

00:14:18.000 Because I know that myself is now a much more religious person.

00:14:22.000 I think I've embraced Catholicism.

00:14:24.000 And if not totally all the practices, people always go, oh, well, is drinking pop?

00:14:29.000 Is eating McDonald's?

00:14:32.000 Is all that really all that religious?

00:14:33.000 Okay, maybe I'm not the best Catholic in the world, but I embraced the importance of that as part of a coherent worldview.

00:14:41.000 And so when you talk about being, becoming, can you elaborate?

00:14:44.000 Is that a religious thing for you or is that more of just an ontological perspective?

00:14:49.000 Just explain what you mean by that.

00:14:51.000 So the traditionalist diagnosis of the world and modern civilization, especially. begins with dividing the universe into two natures, that of being and that of becoming.

00:15:03.000 And the former, that of being, sorry, that of becoming, representing all that which is physical, mortal, and temporary, where we are all situated right now, while the latter, that of being, is all that which is metaphysical, immortal, eternal, and so on.

00:15:20.000 All that is not dependent on some time in history, as it were.

00:15:24.000 Now, this realm of being is considered to be, Above and beyond the realm of becoming, we are in the world of becoming, but we seek to reach upwards towards the realm of being.

00:15:36.000 And in the traditional world, this realm is the only referent for meaning and value at all.

00:15:44.000 So it is often said that our tangible, visible world is hollow until life is breathed into it by that which is divine, intangible, and symbolizes the metaphysics of the realm of being.

00:15:56.000 And so, unlike the modern conservatives and libertarians today that may lark about traditionalism, the traditionalist recognizes that any facet of living meaning, value, truth, goodness, and so on is meaningless until it can find meaning.

00:16:11.000 Some external reference point outside of itself.

00:16:13.000 Nothing on this earth is self justificationary, which is an epistemological term.

00:16:19.000 And so, to harbor any value, it must have reference to that which is above ourselves.

00:16:25.000 And so, unless it can approximate the divine in some way, unless it can serve as liberating from the human condition, I suppose, it is worthless.

00:16:33.000 And this is kind of the traditional framework that everything, these concepts of value, truth, and meaning, they sit hierarchically at the top.

00:16:43.000 In a place that is unearthly, and to get there, we must kind of disengage from our earthly lives and reach upwards towards that hierarchy, if you get what I'm saying.

00:16:53.000 Yeah, no, I think that's very well said.

00:16:56.000 I think that's a very well articulated idea of where traditionalists are in the sense that this is something I talk a lot about in terms of morality.

00:17:06.000 When you talk about an external reference point, when you talk about something that is beyond the temporal, I think that's something that is intuitive to most people.

00:17:14.000 I think that is, in a way, very instinctual.

00:17:18.000 For how people become conservative or traditionalist in a way that perhaps they can't articulate totally in terms of the ontology of it, but in a way that I think we all understand what that means when we talk about modern material, temporal civilization as being unmoored, as being detached from any kind of foundation, being grounded in anything, those kinds of, like you said, the external reference points.

00:17:44.000 When we talk about, for example, libertarian mindset, And what is the mentality outside of that world of being?

00:17:52.000 What is the mentality outside of the divine or the higher realm?

00:17:55.000 It's the pleasure principle.

00:17:57.000 It's eating good food. 1.00

00:17:58.000 It's sleeping with women. 1.00

00:18:00.000 It's making a lot of money. 0.99

00:18:01.000 It's fulfilling the most base, the most primitive appetites or instincts.

00:18:06.000 And I think we all recognize at some point, depending on our maturity, at some point in time, I think that is the instinctual and the intuitive feeling is there is more than this.

00:18:17.000 This is not sufficient.

00:18:18.000 This does not fulfill all of our appetites, our higher appetites.

00:18:22.000 And so I think that's a very well articulated way to say we have to find a way to fall under this hierarchy or be a part of this hierarchy, be more ordered along a more transcendent plane.

00:18:35.000 And so I think that's very well said.

00:18:37.000 And I think that's a big part of neo reaction.

00:18:39.000 That's a big part of traditionalism.

00:18:42.000 And I think that gets back to a bigger question, which is I know a lot of traditionalist thinkers that are more ideologues or maybe more based on history or more philosophy, people like Evola, people like Spangler, among others.

00:18:54.000 I think people can understand that as traditionalists, but.

00:18:56.000 Where does it fall with religion for you?

00:18:58.000 Are you a religious person?

00:19:00.000 Did you arrive at these kinds of conclusions from a totally religious place or a more philosophical place?

00:19:07.000 Because you talk about the divine, you talk about things which I hear definitely echoes of Platonism and echoes of Aristotelianism and echoes of Thomism.

00:19:18.000 Is it a religious thing for you or just more of a classically traditionalist kind of thing for you?

00:19:23.000 Yeah, for me, it definitely is like a classically traditionalist thing.

00:19:27.000 I used to be a Christian, I was extremely.

00:19:30.000 Devout to my faith.

00:19:31.000 I was wanting to become a minister.

00:19:33.000 I was teaching an apologetics class in my high school.

00:19:37.000 But I definitely came at Christianity from an extremely evidentialist point of view, which is to say, I believed that a faith in God could be arrived at by evidence alone.

00:19:48.000 And of course, this is an extremely modern way of thinking.

00:19:50.000 And when the Old Testament was written, this kind of concept of an objective truth had yet to even be generated.

00:19:57.000 So, of course, that didn't work out for me. 0.94

00:20:00.000 And a lot of modern Christians will still hold on to that objective.

00:20:06.000 You know, very recent doctrine of truth, and expect to be able to find God from it.

00:20:11.000 And you know, maybe they're right, but for me personally, I definitely come at this from a more archetypical, philosophical, metaphysical point of view.

00:20:23.000 And so, a lot of people get confused about what I mean when I say things like the divine and talk about myth and ritual, etc.

00:20:30.000 And I think, in contrast to the modern world, what I'm really doing when I talk about these things is I'm adopting the epistemology.

00:20:40.000 The metaphysic, the ontology of the traditional world, which is one that thinks very, very differently to how we think about things today.

00:20:47.000 We think in a way that is very ostensive.

00:20:49.000 We think about things in terms of, as I said before, categorization, measurement, operations.

00:20:55.000 But the traditional world was again concerned with that which was metaphysical.

00:21:01.000 And its ultimate means of expressing this was through myth.

00:21:04.000 If you read the psychoanalysts, people like Joseph Campbell, who is a post trauma specialist, they give crucial insight into this.

00:21:14.000 This phenomena of the human psyche is one that needs stories, narratives, tradition, and needs a performative, pragmatic, ritualistic view of truth.

00:21:26.000 And so, man needs these things to guide himself through the stages of life, to guide him through the cruelest and coldest times of his life, but as well as the most desirous, sensational, and tenacious ones as well.

00:21:40.000 Language itself, the very means by which we are communicating these ideas right now, and maybe even disagree on these ideas.

00:21:46.000 Is one of symbols and themes of which carry the most inner and sacred knowledge of the human condition.

00:21:54.000 And it is through these symbols and archetypes and the traditions and rituals that capture them that I believe we learn the most sacred and intimate knowledge of the human condition.

00:22:05.000 And I think that the institutional sciences definitely fail in this regard.

00:22:10.000 And so, naturally, one of the consequences of this is that in the absence of myth, in the absence of tradition, ritual, and the sacred, Which is something that I do account for in my worldview.

00:22:22.000 I do believe there is something as sacrality.

00:22:26.000 These represent our congregation around a mutual deference of violence, disorder, and so on.

00:22:31.000 And conflict will inevitably follow when we get rid of these things because it is the first and most ancient means of deferring them.

00:22:39.000 And it's also the most ancient means of self understanding and of knowing.

00:22:43.000 And there are plenty of examples that I can go into to kind of illustrate the difference in thinking between the traditional world and the modern world.

00:22:51.000 But that's kind of where I come from, and I come from it.

00:22:53.000 A pragmatist, as a, as a, I come from it, I come at it archetypically, symbolically, and so on.

00:23:01.000 Well, yeah, I think that's an interesting way to put it because I know that when I read a lot of Jung, for example, I feel like I get a lot of the same ideas.

00:23:10.000 And to me, that's really the ultimate red pill.

00:23:12.000 You know, people talk about being red pilled and kind of what that means is uncovering layers of illusion or perhaps putting things into a greater and greater context, a more proper context.

00:23:24.000 I think rejecting modernism is.

00:23:26.000 Rejecting scientism, rejecting the physical sciences, for example, or pure empiricism.

00:23:33.000 I think that is really the final red pill when you really start to think of, and it's very tough, I think, for people to wrap their heads around it or to find it, any traces of it in modern thought is to go back to the way people were thinking, like you said, metaphysically, mythologically, the way that people thought like medieval scholars or classical scholars, as opposed to now where, like you said, everything is about measurement.

00:23:57.000 Everything is about purely the visual, the temporal, the material.

00:24:02.000 As opposed to thinking about things operationally.

00:24:05.000 So, I do agree with you in a big way that that's a very important strain for people to kind of acknowledge.

00:24:11.000 It's a tough one because it's very hard for people, I think, to totally wrap their heads around it because it is like the air that we breathe.

00:24:18.000 You know, I think there's C.S. Lewis writes about how one of the justifications for how we know there is God is because, well, we wouldn't even talk about concepts like justice and other things if they didn't exist in the same sense that a fish.

00:24:33.000 Wouldn't be able to describe water because, you know, they're just in water.

00:24:36.000 That's all that they know.

00:24:38.000 And in the very same way, I think modern people are in modernism.

00:24:42.000 It's just so ubiquitous.

00:24:44.000 It's hard for people to wrap their heads around getting outside of that kind of thinking, getting outside that kind of physiognomy of thought, of perception.

00:24:53.000 And so I think that's a big part of it.

00:24:54.000 The archetypes, the metaphysical, we look at things purely in terms of the physical.

00:24:59.000 And that's, I think, a pretty strong dichotomy there.

00:25:01.000 So that's interesting, though, that you come at it almost.

00:25:05.000 I don't want to say from a secular place, but from a non religious perspective, from, and I guess archetypal is perhaps the best way to put it, more philosophical perhaps.

00:25:13.000 I consider myself, like I consider humanity to be religious.

00:25:17.000 Like I think we are religious animals.

00:25:19.000 And so I think my pursuit of this is religious.

00:25:22.000 It's just not necessarily Christian in that regard.

00:25:25.000 And I'm not one of these like anti Christian types of dudes.

00:25:27.000 Like I think there's a lot to be extracted from Christianity. 0.57

00:25:32.000 But if I ever identified as a Christian, it would be in a way that.

00:25:36.000 A lot of churchgoers and so forth wouldn't acknowledge as being a real Christian because it would be from this pragmatic, ritualistic, performative standpoint when, like in Matthew and Luke, when Jesus says that it's either absolutely true or it means nothing, this kind of worldview is kind of incompatible with a lot of the current Christian tradition.

00:26:01.000 And so that's probably why I wouldn't identify as one because I just come at it from a different perspective.

00:26:08.000 Pragmatic point of view.

00:26:09.000 I don't see God as real in that Aristotelian sense, if you get what I'm saying.

00:26:15.000 I do kind of get what you're saying.

00:26:16.000 And that's always been the rub for me.

00:26:19.000 And I've had many conversations with people who describe themselves as cultural Christians.

00:26:24.000 And I know where you're at is a far cry from people who would say, oh, well, they're a cultural Christian.

00:26:31.000 And what that means is basically they adopt the trappings of Christianity, the basic tenets, ethics, morality, because it's traditional, because it's handed down.

00:26:39.000 And so, I don't know if I'd go as far to say that you're culturally Christian, but I do find the same sort of rub in the same way, in the sense that to me, I've embraced Christianity.

00:26:52.000 And look, I was never a very devout Christian.

00:26:55.000 I was raised Catholic, of course, but I never was truly invested in it.

00:26:59.000 But I came to realize that in the absence of the real belief, in the absence of believing it's absolutely true and literally true in many contexts, to me, it's almost useless in the sense that.

00:27:11.000 Because I was probably where you were at maybe six or eight months ago when I read Young, and that was really what got me thinking about in a more metaphysical mentality, in a more mythological, more historical mentality.

00:27:25.000 But then I thought to myself, in the absence of truly believing in a cosmic punishment, a cosmic judgment, something like that, to me it almost loses the value.

00:27:35.000 And I get where you're coming at it that there's like a pragmatic value in it that, well, we embrace the rituals and the customs and the morals and the sacrality to it because.

00:27:46.000 Well, there's a pragmatic reason to do it.

00:27:47.000 We're doing it to get certain outcomes.

00:27:50.000 But to me, that's almost insufficient for it.

00:27:52.000 I mean, do you see where I'm coming from with that?

00:27:54.000 Yeah, but I wouldn't describe it as like it's just useful because it allows us to do this or that.

00:28:01.000 I think we are interwoven with this metaphysical system and we are inseparable from it.

00:28:06.000 I just wouldn't say that there's this literal, discoverable God at the end of it.

00:28:11.000 I think rather the divine and the spiritual realm of being, as we've just described, it's not something to be understood like a lot of people in the current.

00:28:20.000 Christian tradition try to do.

00:28:22.000 It's something to be identified with. 0.99

00:28:24.000 And so I don't think it's pragmatic.

00:28:26.000 That's an epistemological word.

00:28:28.000 When I say pragmatic, there are a lot of problems that are put forward in the history of ideas towards the concept of truth in the process of induction.

00:28:39.000 And they suggest that real knowledge isn't really possible.

00:28:41.000 And then, of course, many people come and try and solve this, but there's never unanimous disagreement.

00:28:46.000 And this is one of the benefits of living in the traditional world.

00:28:50.000 I shouldn't really say benefit, but.

00:28:52.000 One of the facets of it was that truth was justified by its referring to this metaphysical system.

00:29:00.000 And so, my greater point being that I wouldn't say that I believe it just because it's useful.

00:29:07.000 I would say I believe it because it's something that I identify with, it is something that I am entrapped in, interwoven in.

00:29:15.000 It's just that I don't try to understand it in this kind of intellectual, rational, logical way. 0.69

00:29:22.000 Operational way that the modern Christian, which I don't believe those ideas comport to the founders of the religion.

00:29:30.000 I don't mean founders in the sense that they made it up, but I mean the original authors of the Old Testament.

00:29:35.000 This concept hadn't really been generated until much later on.

00:29:40.000 I think these things came to life through being ritualized rather than being believed in, just like how I might believe that two plus two equals four, if you get what I'm saying.

00:29:50.000 Yeah, I'm kind of getting to where you are.

00:29:52.000 It's just, it's always sort of puzzled me.

00:29:56.000 Because I think that is a big divide within perhaps neo reaction or what you might call a traditionalist conservative is the difference between people who want like a Catholic theocracy.

00:30:07.000 They want it to have the content of a particular religion be a big part of it as opposed to people who are.

00:30:13.000 Because I think you could describe a lot of more atheistic, and I say atheistic, not atheist, but more agnostic or atheistic type traditionalists or neo reactionaries who would not say they subscribe to a particular religion, but But perhaps the expressions of that religion.

00:30:28.000 And I don't really know how I feel about that because certainly, you know, I'm a Catholic.

00:30:33.000 I've never had like a big religious experience.

00:30:36.000 I don't come on the show and pretend like I was touched by God and I spoke in tongues and I, you know, collapsed on the floor or anything like that.

00:30:44.000 But really, just because in the absence of that kind of authority and a substance to it, a content, as opposed to something that is perhaps more of an abstraction, I haven't really been able to.

00:30:58.000 Feel how that works or consider how that works within a society.

00:31:01.000 I mean, would you say, and I think this is maybe will help me understand, would you say that you would be a part of Christianity because Christianity is our cultural expression of those archetypes?

00:31:14.000 Would you embrace Christian rituals and Christian heritage because that is your ancestral expression of the metaphysical, of the divine?

00:31:22.000 Or would you say that because man is a religious animal, would you say that we should create different religions or can a religion be created?

00:31:30.000 I mean, what is your view on it from that angle?

00:31:35.000 Yeah, well, I would argue that Christianity is a structure, a meaning producing structure that can have life breathed into it, so to speak, and then to add that existential value that we crave as religious animals to our lives.

00:31:51.000 And I was a very, very devout Christian earlier in my life.

00:31:55.000 Because when I say high school, that isn't like 10 years ago for me.

00:31:58.000 I'm your age, I'm Gen Z.

00:32:01.000 So that's only a few years ago.

00:32:05.000 And so, for me personally, I have my own criticisms of Christianity.

00:32:10.000 I'm very Nietzschean in a lot of ways. 0.94

00:32:12.000 I kind of subscribe to a lot of those ideas.

00:32:16.000 I think the most real part about the human experience is the longing for that sensation or that feeling which makes us the most powerful, as it were.

00:32:28.000 And I think that Christianity, genealogically speaking, is often like a revolt against this noble aristocratic doctrine.

00:32:38.000 Of power, and so I appreciate Christianity a lot, but I'm I also don't look to it as like the ultimate structure of meaning, and I don't look to it as like the ultimate truth in that regard.

00:32:51.000 And I think something that could clarify is that you know, an example of extracting value from myth, and it's particularly a way that it would be done in the traditional world and contrasting it with how it's done in the modern world, would be something like the myth of Hercules.

00:33:07.000 So, in the modern era, if a soldier like some Chris Kyle, if you get what I'm saying, does something brave and heroic.

00:33:13.000 We would report on it simply by saying, you know, a soldier did, and then whatever that act of bravery was.

00:33:19.000 While in the ancient world, we would report on our bravest and fiercest and most courageous warriors by saying, Hercules took to the battlefield.

00:33:29.000 And it's important to clarify that, like, we wouldn't just give them that name or the label of Hercules, like to say, you are a winner or something, but instead you would become the manifestation of the eternal archetype of Hercules.

00:33:42.000 You were an expression of a symbol or an idea, and that was not.

00:33:46.000 That wasn't mortal or historical, by which I mean not dependent on a moment in history.

00:33:51.000 And so the traditionalist doesn't consider truths to be just reflective of some tangible, ostensive thing like we are talking about, or maybe your conception of God is, but instead they are much deeper.

00:34:05.000 And again, they resort back to this realm of being, as it were.

00:34:10.000 And so that's where I come at it.

00:34:12.000 Because there could be some unpacking to be done on what the term pragmatist means, because that has the connotation that, you know, Like, I believe in these ideas because it will give me more material consumption or something like that.

00:34:29.000 But pragmatist is like an epistemologically dense kind of word, if you get what I'm saying.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, well, I mean, there is a lot there.

00:34:39.000 I'll put the Christian thing on hold for a moment because I do agree with you immensely about mythology.

00:34:45.000 This is something that, and I'm sure you feel the same way, this is something I see all the time.

00:34:50.000 And one of the most destructive things that is not understood, that isn't talked about, which is the destruction of our.

00:34:55.000 National myths or other kinds of myths.

00:34:58.000 You know, people who will say in history, oh, well, actually, George Washington didn't do this, or actually, it didn't happen quite this way.

00:35:06.000 All the myths from your history class are wrong.

00:35:08.000 All the myths about the founding fathers are wrong.

00:35:10.000 And even to an extent, I feel this way about Trump because people say, oh, well, Trump did this thing bad.

00:35:17.000 Oh, we got to criticize Trump. 1.00

00:35:18.000 We got to shit on Trump. 0.99

00:35:20.000 And to me, a big part of Trump is his value mythologically in the sense that the truth of Trump is greater. 0.99

00:35:29.000 Than what's actually happening.

00:35:30.000 People say, well, he isn't actually all that good.

00:35:33.000 Well, it's really not important.

00:35:33.000 What is he at?

00:35:35.000 It's about what he represents, it's about the broader idea that is being conveyed by a man like Trump.

00:35:41.000 When you see somebody who is six foot three, has $10 billion, a supermodel wife, I mean, there is a figure, there is a legend that is bigger than life.

00:35:52.000 And you see this across the board.

00:35:54.000 This is my biggest qualm with YouTube channels like Movie Sins.

00:35:59.000 Or Adam knows everything, where they go in and they say, Oh, actually, that's not, oh, look what they did there.

00:36:05.000 You know, these people.

00:36:06.000 That's actually the channel, you know.

00:36:08.000 Yeah, it's horrible.

00:36:09.000 These people who want to break everything down, make everything small.

00:36:13.000 People like Ben Shapiro.

00:36:14.000 Well, actually, I know better. 1.00

00:36:16.000 Actually, everything's stupid. 1.00

00:36:17.000 Those kind of people. 0.99

00:36:18.000 So I will say, you know, if we don't totally agree on Christianity and all that, I absolutely agree with you on mythology and how that can be more true than the tangible, than the actual.

00:36:30.000 Because, and this is what we see in literature, this is what we see in history, and the modernists, both liberal and conservative, want to take everything and they want to make it conform to their scientism.

00:36:42.000 They want to make it conform to, oh, well, actually, it didn't happen this way or that way.

00:36:45.000 And to me, that is so destructive.

00:36:48.000 And how do we bring it back?

00:36:49.000 How do we bring back the mythology?

00:36:52.000 Yeah, I mean, it's insane to like some modern examples, because even though the world of tradition is gone, the religious nature of our character still lingers on.

00:37:03.000 In modernity, we still need myth and some concept of divinity, but those things have shifted to something earthly and secular.

00:37:12.000 So, for instance, a lot of the time in conservative circles, when we're defending the Second Amendment, we will resort to this argument.

00:37:19.000 And I've heard people like Ben Shapiro make it, and it will be like, well, the Second Amendment wasn't written so we could go hunting.

00:37:25.000 It was written to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government.

00:37:29.000 And that itself is a form of mythos.

00:37:31.000 I mean, you and I have no, or maybe more so for you, because I live in Australia.

00:37:36.000 We don't have guns, really.

00:37:39.000 Neither, I doubt for a second that Ben Shapiro literally fears a tyrannical government coming towards him and him having to really resort to his firearms to defend himself.

00:37:50.000 That is a myth, that is a narrative, an archetype for him to extract value from.

00:37:55.000 And there are examples of it on the left as well.

00:37:58.000 And I think one of the conclusions that comes from this view of truth that we're putting forward is that there isn't really any truth anyone will.

00:38:08.000 May that anyone claim to know without leaving political gains on the table, true because truth is a mean of extracting value.

00:38:15.000 So, for instance, um, any powerful person, any you know, noble or tyrant, instinctively knows that there is no value in truth that is unarmed, which is a reference to Machiavelli in that sense.

00:38:29.000 There is no truth unless it motivates power. 0.67

00:38:32.000 So, an example of this would be like Black Lives Matter. 0.71

00:38:35.000 Now, the last martyr in the movement that I can remember was uh. Alton Sterling, and he was a convicted pedophile who was resisting arrest while reaching for an illegally owned firearm.

00:38:48.000 It's a case that would indicate to anyone that there is no propositional truth underlying their concerns.

00:38:55.000 But the conservative effort to undercut this movement through appealing to propositional content, through just sending them the right Ben Shapiro article over at Daily Wire, it's completely futile because it doesn't matter if it's false.

00:39:08.000 Because the narrative of Black Lives Matter, of white privilege, of colonialism, of intergenerational poverty, it serves as the mythos by which Black Americans, for the most part, Extract value, purpose, organization, and ultimately their identity from.

00:39:26.000 And it isn't, you know, I personally would subscribe to that Nietzschean diagnosis that it's a Hurdley identity, for it is one of resentment, which is the French word for the hating sensation of being pushed down and unable to push upwards, which is to say that, you know, blacks as a people are kind of unable to identify along any positive averment. 0.91

00:39:47.000 They are unable to draw purpose from anything positive, by which I mean like a positive in the propositional sense. 0.99

00:39:55.000 And they can't, they don't have any affirmation of this life to create something new. 0.87

00:39:59.000 And thus, what illuminates their values is simply an opposition to white society for the most part, a negative assertion against others. 0.90

00:40:08.000 There is no empire to be built for them, so to speak, but simply a trans valuation against those that are more powerful. 0.80

00:40:14.000 And there's also other examples. 0.74

00:40:16.000 For example, if you take Jewish people, like when they're polled, a majority of them claim that what's most purposeful to their Jewish identity is not any achievement or project or positive article, which is.

00:40:27.000 Kind of ironic because Jews actually achieve a lot, but they choose to not identify by their achievements as doctors, as lawyers, and as scientists and so on, but remembering the Holocaust. 0.51

00:40:38.000 So they admittedly identify as nothing. 0.71

00:40:41.000 And I'm kind of going on a tangent about this Nietzschean diagnosis, but the point is that this religious nature of our characters lives on in the modern world, even though the traditional world might be gone.

00:40:55.000 Yeah.

00:40:57.000 Important that the left has transplanted the myths of the country.

00:41:01.000 And when people talk about it, because I go on the show a lot and people say, Well, what do you think about this thing that happened 70 years ago?

00:41:08.000 Or what do you think about this guy who took control of his country?

00:41:11.000 You know, it was a really great thing or it was a really bad thing, depending on who you ask.

00:41:15.000 You know, and to me, I will always say, Well, to rehabilitate certain characters or certain things is a task in and of itself.

00:41:23.000 But we have to recognize the importance of it in the sense that the mythology that people are being brought up on today.

00:41:30.000 Is as important, if not more important, than the so called education on the political issues.

00:41:36.000 You know, what you say about, well, sending them the right Ben Shapiro article versus this mythology, for example, about white people that we're oppressors, slave owners, we committed the Holocaust, we're racist against black people, you know, that kind of thing.

00:41:51.000 That's really the main issue that's at stake, is not so much telling people, well, you have to have the right opinions about the free market or the right opinions about this political issue.

00:42:00.000 You just have to look at the facts.

00:42:02.000 But people have been led astray in the area of the greater truth, which is to say, who are we?

00:42:07.000 What are our virtues?

00:42:08.000 What is our society striving towards?

00:42:11.000 And when you look at what's being taught in the schools or what's in entertainment and media, the myth is always about, like you said, for minorities, whether it's Jews or blacks or whoever, it's a very destructive truth.

00:42:22.000 It's a very destructive mythology about how they were oppressed and there's this animosity.

00:42:27.000 And for white people, it is a mythology about how we did the wrong thing.

00:42:31.000 Our virtues are equality and it's tolerance and it's these things. 0.99

00:42:35.000 And white people have always been the biggest transgressors. 0.80

00:42:38.000 And I'm sure that it would be a very different society we would be living in if we were still celebrating American heroes, if we were still talking about, rather than spending six months in school talking about slavery and Jim Crow, if instead we were talking about the frontiersmen who tamed the West and Lewis and Clark who were able to map the entire continent and the founding fathers who did all these great things, I'm sure it'd be a very different population. 0.95

00:43:03.000 I'm sure we would be looking at immigration, for example, in a very different light if we saw ourselves in the vein of.

00:43:10.000 George Washington, and then all these great men, Teddy Roosevelt, as opposed to your average slave owner, Adolf Hitler, you know, something like that.

00:43:18.000 And, well, you know, it's a very, very controversial kind of a myth, but I think those are really important things.

00:43:24.000 So that's a very big thing that we have to work on evolving.

00:43:26.000 And it's something that Trump is doing very well.

00:43:28.000 That's another area where I get so mad at people who they don't understand the significance of when he gives a speech and he talks about American heroes.

00:43:37.000 This is something Patrick Buchanan, for example, writes about a lot in his columns, talking about American identity.

00:43:44.000 Not totally in the context of the civic religion of the American creed, and not also totally in the racial component that the alt right knows about, but in the context of America's legends, its heroes, its myths about the founding fathers, these historical events.

00:44:00.000 And it's something that you hear in many Trump speeches and many Trump advertisements.

00:44:03.000 And I think that's so important that we rebuild that self perception, that identification with those broader virtues and goals and heroes, as opposed to what the present course is for the so called right wing, which is.

00:44:17.000 You know, read this economic textbook.

00:44:19.000 Read Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt.

00:44:22.000 And if everybody reads Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell, we're going to fix all the problems.

00:44:27.000 You know, it's much bigger than that.

00:44:28.000 And so I think that's a great avenue in getting people to understand the real nature, the true nature of truth itself, which is beyond.

00:44:39.000 Even when it comes to these political movements, like either side, it's completely juvenile to really think that you have a monopoly.

00:44:47.000 And one of the biggest indicators of this would be Jonathan Haidt's work.

00:44:47.000 On truth.

00:44:51.000 And, you know, he is, sorry, he's a libertarian, but he contributed some of the most valuable research to this debate that I know of.

00:45:00.000 And that was a study called Understanding Libertarian Morality, where he took a sample of 100,000 people and he administered them personality tests.

00:45:10.000 And they moved beyond just the big five personalities.

00:45:13.000 So they gave like a real diagnosis of conservatives.

00:45:17.000 Liberals and libertarians, or at least people who self identify as those things.

00:45:21.000 And the biggest predictor of each political ideology was their personality, their agreeableness versus their conscientiousness, and so on.

00:45:31.000 So it seems that what your political ideology is, is a manifestation of your competitive strategy in the world, which is to say, like who you are really and what you identify as is really your political ideology is another expression of that.

00:45:48.000 And I think another thing that is also like lost.

00:45:52.000 In modernity, which needs to be returned, is the idea of asceticism.

00:45:55.000 I think asceticism is a means of reaching this realm of being we were talking about, particularly in the Stoic traditions and their offshoots, like Christianity is very Stoic in this regard.

00:46:06.000 And, you know, asceticism isn't just self mastery, self discipline, but it's the ultimate, well, it's not the ultimate one, but it's a great expression of the will through the denial of sensuality and pleasure, indulgence.

00:46:21.000 It is the denial of one's desires.

00:46:23.000 And so, the aesthetic sense for this reason could be said to be a reversal of the sense.

00:46:29.000 It's to look where one's desires point themselves and to say no.

00:46:33.000 And I think this is where you get a lot of this degeneracy in the modern world.

00:46:37.000 This idea that someone's sensuality is the ultimate good and the ultimate thing that should be achieved, and it's people kind of just losing their will in many ways.

00:46:48.000 And you know, philosophers usually think of the aesthetic as some instinct or sense of the most favorable conditions of highest spirituality.

00:46:57.000 While in art, you know, Nietzsche is famous for saying that it either means nothing or too much, however, it means so many things to so many different people.

00:47:07.000 But the aesthetic can never be vacuous, it can never be a denial of everything, it must always be.

00:47:12.000 Express the will to something, even if it is the will to nothing.

00:47:16.000 So, for instance, fasting is just the most basic example of how you can demonstrate and express your will simply by having a will towards nothing, having a will to the denial of eating.

00:47:30.000 And Nietzsche was famous for saying that nothing is more ideal than, sorry, saying the will to nothing is more ideal than to not will at all.

00:47:40.000 And I think this is really what the aesthetic really is.

00:47:42.000 It's an answer to nihilism.

00:47:45.000 To assert one's will is more purposeful and it's more meaningful, even if one's will is to will nothing, as is the case with the ascetic ideal.

00:47:58.000 But yeah, I think it's very important that we return to this concept of the ascetic instead of just having this society that's just premised on achieving as much sensuality as you possibly can before you die.

00:48:11.000 Absolutely.

00:48:12.000 And that is the modern man, is the.

00:48:15.000 Opposite of that, which is giving in, as opposed to willing, as opposed to restraining.

00:48:20.000 It's simply giving in to the pleasure or trying to accumulate the pleasure.

00:48:26.000 And I think that, you know, I'm obviously not a total Nietzschean because I am a Christian, but what really resonated with me was his description of the last man, because of course this describes, this was the perfect descriptor 100 years ago of the people that surround us today, the walking mozzarella sticks that you see in the shopping malls, that you see in the streets today, talking about.

00:48:47.000 Magazines talking about vacuous, vapid pop culture things.

00:48:52.000 That's exactly right.

00:48:53.000 I think that's a great answer to nihilism.

00:48:55.000 This is something that so many people ask about and talk about, which is to say that once you get, I think, a broader and a more global context for what we're experiencing, which is modernism, which is leftism, which is, you know, it goes by many names, what's happening, I think the first, perhaps, feeling or instinct or anxiety is, well, what is remaining?

00:49:17.000 We've smashed down all these.

00:49:19.000 We smash down all these things that surround us that we've been brought up on.

00:49:24.000 And what is remaining, I think that is a great thing, which is we don't really have an idea of what comes next, but at the very least, we can will, like you said, towards nothing.

00:49:32.000 So I think you're very right about that.

00:49:35.000 And it's basically true because you look around, and that is the modern man is just constantly giving in to the impulse, constantly giving in.

00:49:43.000 I mean, we call them hedonists.

00:49:45.000 That's what a degenerate is, is basically a hedonist.

00:49:48.000 And in all areas, in all areas of consumption.

00:49:51.000 I remember when I was in college, that's when I really rejected modernism as opposed to just leftism, when I saw that my life was just sleeping and eating and effectively just consuming.

00:50:02.000 I mean, I boiled it down, abstracted it out in my head to, well, it's really just about consumption.

00:50:07.000 It's about consuming a YouTube video, consuming food, taking a nap so I'll be ready for the next day of consumption.

00:50:14.000 And that's what it is for most people if it's about making money or all the rest.

00:50:18.000 And so I think perhaps that is the first and best step towards a rejection of modernism is simply.

00:50:24.000 Restrain the urge to consume, restrain the urge simply to give in to the pleasure principle, simply give in to impulse.

00:50:31.000 And so I think that's a big part of it, absolutely. 0.92

00:50:33.000 And of course, the Christians have a great history, a great tradition of asceticism. 0.99

00:50:39.000 And in that area, it's also, I think, a big part of getting rid of the distractions. 0.87

00:50:45.000 I think so much of the modern world has been constructed effectively to distract us from the greater questions, the more existential feelings, which is to say that the moment that we feel an existential or any other pain, there's stimulation for that.

00:51:01.000 And additionally, specifically now, with the advent of phones, you really think about this.

00:51:07.000 10 years ago, 15 years ago, I remember being a kid and being in the waiting room at the doctor's office, and you just had to sit there and you just had to sit there and think or entertain yourself.

00:51:19.000 And in those moments, you can kind of grasp something more.

00:51:22.000 You can kind of grasp at the strings of something beyond because you're just kind of in limbo there.

00:51:29.000 Now, it's constant stimulation to the point where there is never a moment where the eternal, the divine, can even be breathed into you because it's visual stimulation, it's auditory stimulation.

00:51:41.000 We've got Earphones, I have them on my ears right now, so I can hear you.

00:51:45.000 But we've got earphones on our ears, a screen in the face.

00:51:48.000 There's constant hustle and bustle.

00:51:50.000 And if there isn't, we're creating it.

00:51:52.000 And so perhaps that is the solution, maybe that's why we see so much of a strain of primitivism in the right wing now, is an expression of that, getting away, resolving to end all of that, right?

00:52:04.000 All the stimulation.

00:52:05.000 Longing for some quietness, for some tabula rasa, as it were.

00:52:09.000 Right, right, exactly.

00:52:10.000 A cleaning of the slate, because this is something that.

00:52:15.000 Again, it's something people feel intuitively.

00:52:17.000 They can't articulate it in the proper or precise words, but they understand when we talk about the noise, the tremendous noise of modern society.

00:52:27.000 I remember I used to work at UPS, and I worked from like 10 p.m. to 3 a.m., and I would come home and lay awake at night, and my ears were like ringing with the sound of industrial noise, the factory.

00:52:40.000 I would close my eyes, and I felt like I was there.

00:52:43.000 And that's a very.

00:52:46.000 Visceral explanation, but we all can relate to that in some ways, just the echoes of it always penetrating.

00:52:52.000 It's never relenting.

00:52:54.000 And so I think you're very right in your diagnosis that perhaps aestheticism, I can never pronounce it, is the correct approach.

00:53:04.000 Yeah, yeah, 100%.

00:53:06.000 I think that was a great way of putting it.

00:53:07.000 Something else that I wanted to talk about, which is something that I wanted to kind of hit home with this idea that the libertarian traditionalist is a walking contradiction, is because one of the oldest traditions is sovereignty.

00:53:20.000 So, you know, that in the liberal tradition, which, you know, whatever, the tradition of revolting against tradition, sovereignty is justified by some deferral between the citizens and the sovereign vis a vis natural law.

00:53:36.000 But in contrast to Hobbes, you know, Locke, Rousseau, and Sargon of the card, the traditional view, it sees that kings find their authority again in the divine, in that which is above them, not in that which is below them, the citizenry or us, which is to say that.

00:53:53.000 In the traditional world, a law's authority could only be considered legitimate if it could be traced back to some non human and transcendent source.

00:54:02.000 And so, throughout the mythos of most of the world, authority is predicated on and is feared because of its non human and unearthly quality, a quality that is above politics.

00:54:13.000 So, the king's authority was not just an expression of those that he rules over.

00:54:17.000 And his authority wasn't respected because of his courage or his wisdom, his intelligence, or other secular virtues, but instead, traditional civilization and its rulers had a metaphysical character, one that could find reference to the infinite nature of, again, the divine, or that of being, if you like.

00:54:37.000 And so, that's another thing that I find is interesting is that once you take the tradition pill, as it were, it's kind of hard to then reject the oldest or one of the oldest traditions, which is sovereignty.

00:54:49.000 Right.

00:54:50.000 Well, yeah, and that's something that we see today where I've certainly, it's resonated with me when you read somebody like Dimestra and you talk about how there really is no such thing as authority.

00:55:01.000 Particularly, we see that today.

00:55:04.000 All these kind of fallacious and temporary notions about legitimacy for our rulers kind of go out the window the minute somebody starts asking too many questions, right?

00:55:16.000 Like, well, is the Constitution really legitimate?

00:55:18.000 Is it really working?

00:55:19.000 Should it be based on.

00:55:21.000 What the founding fathers said, or what they intended, or what it says at the time, or what it says now, or what they would think now.

00:55:27.000 And once somebody starts asking, once somebody asks a further question, then all of a sudden the government, which ensures order, which is the most important thing, the highest virtue, pragmatically, then all of that goes out the window.

00:55:41.000 Now we no longer have a viable government.

00:55:42.000 And so I think that's a very true thing when we talk about libertarianism, and even democracy, we can't have this conception of.

00:55:52.000 This flimsy kind of authority that's based on, like you said, the competence of the ruler, or that's based on how well the laws work, that's based on some component.

00:56:03.000 I always laugh when I talk to my Reddit tier shitlib friends and they say, well, we just want to make laws that are working.

00:56:10.000 And so we'll have some managerial bureaucrat write a law and then we'll do a study and we'll see if it works.

00:56:17.000 When in my view, and I think probably in many people's views, I know you're an absolutist, we believe that the law should be.

00:56:24.000 So obscure, so old that people don't remember where it came from.

00:56:28.000 They don't remember why it exists.

00:56:29.000 Maybe they can't even read it.

00:56:31.000 Maybe they can't even find it.

00:56:33.000 But that's part of the beauty of it is that the sovereignty should be mystical.

00:56:36.000 There should be something about it that is unquestionable because, after all, true authority cannot come from another man.

00:56:44.000 Because if somebody says, hey, I'm the king, well, you're no different than me.

00:56:48.000 Who are you to say, unless you have some magical powers, well, you're just another man like me?

00:56:53.000 Maybe you're more intelligent, maybe you're more strong, but I could be more clever.

00:56:57.000 Or I could get this one opportunity or something.

00:57:00.000 You're another man just like me.

00:57:01.000 Who's to say that you get to say what is true and what isn't?

00:57:04.000 You're the arbiter.

00:57:05.000 And then you have no authority.

00:57:07.000 And then you have no order.

00:57:08.000 Then you have no society.

00:57:10.000 Then everything is in free-for-all.

00:57:11.000 We go back to the idea that you're untethered, you're ungrounded, there is no external reference point.

00:57:17.000 And so you're right.

00:57:18.000 I think that is, it's kind of unfortunate because you know that once you enter fringe politics, you start to kind of tumble down a hill.

00:57:26.000 Whether you're a libertarian, you're like, well, I'm a libertarian.

00:57:30.000 Oh, no, now I'm a minarchist.

00:57:31.000 Now I'm an anarchist, you know, or you're a right wing person.

00:57:34.000 And there's this sort of collapse into just spurgy Patrick Little territory.

00:57:38.000 And with traditionalism, it's kind of the same thing.

00:57:41.000 I don't know if it's unfortunate or, you know, just maybe it's the way it is that people tend to follow principles through to their logical conclusions that you eventually have to get back to the fundamentals, the most traditional, and sovereignty is right on the money.

00:57:54.000 So it looks like we're, and do you have a response to that?

00:57:58.000 No, I was going to say you make a really good point about how the liberal will kind of fall down this well, and at the very bottom of it lies anarchism.

00:58:06.000 Because I do believe that there's only absolutism or there's anarchism, and there's no in between point that isn't on its way to either one of those things.

00:58:15.000 So, for instance, when you take someone like Sargon, the liberalist, he will upload a video about some liberalist principles.

00:58:22.000 And then you will get dozens and dozens of ANCAPs making response videos to him about how, well, if you believe in individualism, then how come the state is an exception to this?

00:58:32.000 And they're right.

00:58:33.000 I mean, if that is that you can't start with a revolt against authority and then not expect the logical conclusion to be no justified authority.

00:58:45.000 Brand of liberalism from just subsequent reiterations of that same process of liberalization.

00:58:51.000 And it's completely arbitrary to just stick at that one point.

00:58:54.000 And this is the dilemma of the conservative in America as well, the defending the initial liberal revolution from its subsequent reiterations of liberalization.

00:59:04.000 And the end result, when taken to its logical conclusion, will be anarchism.

00:59:10.000 But of course, I don't believe we will get there.

00:59:11.000 I think that people see the incoherent political process, and what they do is instead of Just being happy having to serve their imperial functions so incoherently, they will try and slowly collect absolutism through creating like a loyal political class.

00:59:30.000 And a lot of the time, this is said in the NRX sphere as the high low versus the middle.

00:59:35.000 I made a video on a concept called bio Leninism, which is like a more explicit example of this occurring.

00:59:42.000 And so, yeah, I think that there's either anarchism or absolutism, and anything in between is really just.

00:59:49.000 Being on its way to one way or the other.

00:59:52.000 So, yeah, I think you make a good point about things having to go to their logical conclusions like that.

00:59:57.000 Well, yeah, and especially with liberalism.

00:59:59.000 I mean, I know I talk to my conservative friends, and I'll talk to people who purport to be educated on conservatism.

01:00:07.000 It's funny to me because I talk to people who go to college and they don't know this stuff.

01:00:10.000 I mean, just an aside, you know, a brief little rant here.

01:00:15.000 People look down on me because I don't have education, I'm not in school.

01:00:18.000 And then I talk to the people that are educated in Politics, people who are journalists or they're academics or whatever, and they've got years and years of political science study, and they come back and they don't know anything.

01:00:29.000 They don't know any of this stuff.

01:00:30.000 And anyway, but I'll talk to people like this and they'll say, well, you know, we're just like moderate conservatives.

01:00:38.000 We're like feminists, but we're not like third wave feminists.

01:00:42.000 We're the real liberals, like you said, the Sargon of Akkad people.

01:00:46.000 And of course, the argument is always that these ideologies are dynamic.

01:00:52.000 What is liberal today is conservative tomorrow.

01:00:55.000 The slippery slope is true 30 years ago, and then you go back 30 years before that and 30 years before that.

01:01:01.000 And so, what conservatives want to do really is just set back the clock.

01:01:04.000 They just want to turn back time like 20 minutes and then let it run again, as if the inevitable conclusion, the inexorable conclusion, will not be the same thing, which is to say, okay, let's say we reel it in a little bit.

01:01:18.000 Well, what do you think is going to happen 15 years?

01:01:20.000 Who's to say that that arbitrary stopping point is anything more than your?

01:01:24.000 Arbitrary stopping point. 0.98

01:01:26.000 Because, like you said, you'll get the Adam Kokishes of the world who will come on and say, well, we should privatize the military. 1.00

01:01:33.000 We should privatize everything. 1.00

01:01:36.000 And, like you said, they're not wrong.

01:01:38.000 They're the most consistent among them.

01:01:39.000 And anyone who wants to express some kind of a pragmatism or something, there's really no intellectual grounding for that.

01:01:45.000 So it's definitely true.

01:01:46.000 And that's where conservatives have to really get real.

01:01:49.000 They have to really get tough about that kind of thing.

01:01:51.000 Because I know a lot of people get a little kind of iffy about this kind of thing.

01:01:57.000 I don't know what it is, maybe perhaps because it's so alien and outside even the American or modern Western experience to talk about absolutism or that kind of thing.

01:02:06.000 But you have to not get squeamish.

01:02:08.000 You have to look at things really with a sober mindset because the liberal view is nice.

01:02:14.000 It's flowery.

01:02:15.000 It's ideal.

01:02:16.000 Its depictions of humanity are optimistic and generous.

01:02:19.000 But if we really want to get an order that is sensible, that has longevity, it can't be any of that.

01:02:24.000 And we're at around 8.05.

01:02:28.000 So it's been about an hour.

01:02:29.000 I've really enjoyed this conversation, and it's obviously not complete.

01:02:32.000 So we have to do it again sometime.

01:02:34.000 We'll have to bring you back.

01:02:36.000 I'd love to come back.

01:02:36.000 I had a great time.

01:02:38.000 Me too, me too.

01:02:39.000 You're catching me right when I wake up.

01:02:42.000 Yeah, what time is it over there?

01:02:44.000 It's actually not even that early.

01:02:46.000 It's like 11 right now.

01:02:47.000 Very good. 1.00

01:02:48.000 I thought you were a Brit bong, actually. 1.00

01:02:50.000 So I was like, it must be like 2 a.m. over there. 0.99

01:02:53.000 No, no, I am an Aboriginal Australian.

01:02:56.000 Oh, rationale.

01:03:00.000 I can't distinguish the.

01:03:02.000 If you don't do the g'day, mate, or anything, I can't distinguish between the Australian and the British. 0.55

01:03:07.000 I just can't. 0.94

01:03:08.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:03:09.000 I'm one of those kind of more.

01:03:11.000 Bourgeois Australian, so I don't really have a.

01:03:14.000 I think when I'm around other Australians, I come out a bit as a more of a, oh, I can't, how you going, brah? 0.87

01:03:21.000 With all the made up, you know, words and that kind of thing.

01:03:25.000 Well, you see it as well.

01:03:26.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:27.000 Anyway, well, definitely.

01:03:29.000 I'd love to come back on sometime.

01:03:30.000 It was great.

01:03:31.000 Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

01:03:31.000 Me too.

01:03:33.000 So thanks so much for joining us.

01:03:34.000 I had a great time.

01:03:36.000 I know the audience loved it.

01:03:37.000 And just tell us where we can find your content.

01:03:40.000 The channel is just True Dill Tom, right?

01:03:41.000 What's on the menu for you?

01:03:42.000 Yeah.

01:03:43.000 So I have my YouTube channel, which is where I. Make content.

01:03:46.000 It's got a really LARPy name, which is just like in one of those font changes.

01:03:50.000 But if you type in True Dill Tom, it comes up, which is T R U E D I L T O M.

01:03:55.000 And then I have Twitter, Instagram, and all the typical social media things you can follow me on.

01:04:00.000 But I produce content on YouTube, so you can find my videos there.

01:04:06.000 All right.

01:04:07.000 Very good.

01:04:07.000 Well, thanks so much for coming on and take it easy.

01:04:10.000 All right.

01:04:11.000 Yeah, you too.

01:04:11.000 Have a good one.

01:04:12.000 You too.

01:04:13.000 Bye bye.

01:04:14.000 All right.

01:04:15.000 Well, there you have it.

01:04:17.000 Finally, I get to take the headphones off.

01:04:19.000 Look, I love doing the interviews.

01:04:21.000 True Dill Tom, very interesting character, very smart guy.

01:04:25.000 I didn't realize how smart he was because I watch his videos and I'm not a big content consumer.

01:04:31.000 I'm a big content creator, not a very prolific content consumer.

01:04:35.000 But so I skim the videos and okay, this is pretty interesting, but very smart, very interesting guy.

01:04:40.000 And I love the interviews, but the headphones, it's like somebody's just pulling on my ears the whole time.

01:04:47.000 It's like if I had.

01:04:49.000 It's like if I had, I don't know, Hunter Wallace hanging off of my ears and he's dangling.

01:04:53.000 What is he like?

01:04:54.000 About three inches tall.

01:04:55.000 I feel like I have Hunter Wallace tugging on my ears the whole time.

01:04:58.000 So it's always, you know, love the interview, but then it's always a relief to get the headphones off.

01:05:02.000 But hope you enjoyed that.

01:05:04.000 I thought that was very interesting.

01:05:06.000 Very rarely do you get to talk to an NRX person who really knows their stuff and really has, I think, an ideology and maybe some thoughts and ideas which are truly outside of.

01:05:21.000 The mainstream.

01:05:22.000 And when I say mainstream, relatively, of course, I mean in the mainstream of the circles that we run in.

01:05:27.000 So it was a very interesting conversation.

01:05:29.000 I encourage you guys to check out his content.

01:05:31.000 And certainly we'll get him back on to talk about different subjects and things.

01:05:36.000 This is not like a signing off.

01:05:36.000 Don't go anywhere.

01:05:38.000 I'm still going to take your super chats and stream labs.

01:05:40.000 But I just have to say, it was good having him on.

01:05:42.000 I'm glad I did.

01:05:43.000 I know it's kind of funny because initially, how I was introduced to him was that he was commenting on my video.

01:05:51.000 Saying, like, you better have me on.

01:05:53.000 Something that was a little bit aggressive, something that was a little bit off putting before I even knew who he was.

01:05:59.000 And I was like, well, do you even have enough clout to come on the show?

01:06:02.000 And I do the usual vetting procedure.

01:06:05.000 And somebody said, Oh, well, you should not have him on just because he said that.

01:06:10.000 It's some goofy thing.

01:06:12.000 But like I said, eventually, one of his very zealous fans just kept every day, When are you going to have him on?

01:06:19.000 When are you going to have him on?

01:06:21.000 So finally, and that takes a lot because me, it's like it goes in one ear out the other.

01:06:26.000 I'm a very distracted person.

01:06:28.000 So eventually we got him on.

01:06:30.000 And I thought it was a good show.

01:06:31.000 I hope you guys enjoyed it.

01:06:33.000 It's tough, though, because.

01:06:35.000 The language of the metaphysical is very inaccessible to many people.

01:06:41.000 And that's the thing that I regret because I like to take my content and people tell me all the time, oh, you're so smart.

01:06:48.000 You're young and you're smart.

01:06:49.000 And don't get me wrong, I love the dopamine rush.

01:06:52.000 I love when people tell me I'm smart because it's true.

01:06:55.000 But what I really strive to do is not to sound smart.

01:06:58.000 What I strive to do is to make these ideas, which you don't really hear too much in the mainstream.

01:07:04.000 I mean, the point of doing America First every night is to say, This is an alternative, even to what you see on Fox News.

01:07:10.000 As much as I love Tucker, it is an alternative to that.

01:07:13.000 And package them in such a way, and not in a condescending way, but package them in a way that somebody who doesn't read philosophy in their spare time might be able to digest.

01:07:23.000 And what's regrettable about metaphysics and traditionalist thinking is that in order to really grasp it, it takes a certain vocabulary, a certain lexicon that you have to get used to.

01:07:36.000 It takes a certain, these are like neural pathways.

01:07:40.000 In your mind that have not been explored yet because you've gone through school where they just teach you the status quo in terms of thinking, in terms of epistemology, in terms of ontology.

01:07:51.000 That when people start talking about these things, it's a mind bend.

01:07:54.000 And when I started to get into it, even for me, it's tough to wrap your head around a completely different way of thinking.

01:08:02.000 And so that's the one thing that's a little bit tricky.

01:08:05.000 And so that's kind of my project.

01:08:06.000 That's what I've really been doing this summer is trying to think of the best way to take those ideas and package them up.

01:08:12.000 Now, a big part of it is learning it.

01:08:15.000 Mastering it very well.

01:08:18.000 So that's a big part of it.

01:08:19.000 But that's going to be my project, I think, over the next year, year and a half, while we gear up for the 2020 election when things are going to get hot again, is figuring out ways that we can take these ideas of traditionalism, of traditional conservatism, and making them accessible for people in the way that the libertarians do.

01:08:38.000 Because that's what I noticed about Adam Kokesh and about Leadership Institute and all these other think tanks you go there.

01:08:46.000 And they've got it figured out. 1.00

01:08:48.000 You're just some dumb kid who graduated high school? 1.00

01:08:50.000 Yeah, here's the effing textbook on libertarianism. 1.00

01:08:55.000 And you got people that are 21 years old.

01:08:57.000 You probably got 50,000 millennials, Generation Z people who could quote chapter and verse Murray Rothbard, Friedrich Hayek, and all these thinkers that you would have never heard about 10 years ago.

01:09:09.000 And that's the result of a very vigorous and well funded, well oiled machine, which has taken these.

01:09:15.000 Just like hokey pokey economic ideas from the Mont Pelerin Society and has channeled it.

01:09:20.000 Like, here's the pamphlet.

01:09:22.000 We boiled it down.

01:09:23.000 It's like 10 words.

01:09:25.000 Just read it and you figured the whole thing out.

01:09:27.000 We got to do that, you know?

01:09:30.000 So there it is.

01:09:31.000 Thanks to TrueDillTom for coming on.

01:09:32.000 Very fun, very interesting guy.

01:09:35.000 And the Australians continuing to prove they are our greatest allies.

01:09:41.000 You know, they say it's Israel.

01:09:42.000 I don't know about that. 0.98

01:09:44.000 The Israelis I know, they're not really fond of America if we're not killing their enemies, you know?

01:09:50.000 They say Israel's the greatest ally.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, well, allies don't kill each other.

01:09:55.000 They don't spy on each other.

01:09:56.000 They don't steal each other's stuff.

01:09:57.000 They don't sell their tech to China, right?

01:10:00.000 Australia is proving to be the greatest ally.

01:10:03.000 How many call in shows do we do?

01:10:05.000 We got the Australians and True Dill Tom. 0.99

01:10:07.000 So maybe the future is Aussie. 1.00

01:10:09.000 Who knows, right? 1.00

01:10:11.000 Maybe they'll be the stronghold.

01:10:12.000 You know, in the end of 2012, when they're in the arcs and they say there's a new highest point in the world, it's Cape Hope in South Africa.

01:10:22.000 And they set a course to build the new society. 0.99

01:10:26.000 Maybe it'll be Australia for the white race. 0.94

01:10:28.000 Maybe after we're, you know, Drowning figuratively in the third world, it'll be like we'll be on our arcs in the ocean and then our archaeo futuristic, archaeo primitivist arcs. 0.99

01:10:42.000 And we'll be looking where's the last stand of the white race? 0.94

01:10:46.000 Where's the compound that we're going to set our roots down? 0.94

01:10:49.000 It's in Australia, it's with True Dill Tom and with Lanius and with Rawhide 76, right?

01:10:55.000 Who knows?

01:10:57.000 Anyway, we're going to get into our super chats and stream labs.

01:11:01.000 For those, those are some very esoteric references.

01:11:03.000 2012, great movie, by the way.

01:11:06.000 Set a course, that's a StarCraft reference.

01:11:10.000 For those people who play that game. 0.51

01:11:15.000 Let's see, we've got Anglo Rebel who says, I made a deal with one of my friends that involves them reading a book of my choosing, watching your Amaranth speech, and a political video. 0.87

01:11:26.000 Out of all your episodes you've made, which would you say would be the best to red pill and covers all the bases? 0.97

01:11:32.000 That's a tall order, big guy.

01:11:36.000 I'm not really familiar with my library.

01:11:38.000 You know, when you churn out one video every day for a year and a half, it's not like I have an encyclopedic knowledge.

01:11:44.000 I could be, oh, volume 112, you know, America First.

01:11:50.000 I can barely keep up with making them, let alone watching them.

01:11:54.000 My face is so itchy, I gotta shave.

01:11:56.000 I would say probably what are the finest episodes?

01:12:00.000 I think I did, I don't remember the title though.

01:12:03.000 I did a very good video about immigration.

01:12:07.000 I think it was from the first or the second week in February.

01:12:10.000 And that was a really good informative one.

01:12:12.000 It's from either the first or the second week in February.

01:12:16.000 And it was like basics on immigration or fundamentals on immigration, something like that.

01:12:21.000 That was a pretty good one.

01:12:23.000 I would also say I've done a few good debates.

01:12:26.000 I don't know, though.

01:12:27.000 I mean, there's not really one that covers everything.

01:12:29.000 So it's really tough to say what is the one video.

01:12:34.000 You're going to have to use more than one video, I'm afraid.

01:12:37.000 But that would probably be a good place to start.

01:12:39.000 You could just browse the titles and they'll tell you what's going on in every video.

01:12:45.000 So sorry I couldn't be more helpful, but really, I mean, I just.

01:12:49.000 Depends on what you're looking for because there are so many things that are episodes in and of themselves about Catholicism or about immigration or about the rootless transnational elite or about, you know, there's many issues at stake.

01:13:03.000 And the show has also evolved over the course of two years.

01:13:05.000 I mean, I went from like a wignat, I would describe myself as, maybe in like September of last year to now.

01:13:12.000 And not like I was totally like a LARP or anything, but I was much more out there, I think.

01:13:18.000 But I found a way to moderate the message a little bit. 0.71

01:13:22.000 Joe the Croat says, Why I hate the Daily Brap?

01:13:25.000 It's a crypto Nick Fuentes fan show.

01:13:27.000 The show was on another Discord for one night for technical reasons.

01:13:31.000 Why do you hate your fans so much, guy?

01:13:34.000 Haven't I been a loyal foot soldier and supporter?

01:13:36.000 Check your Discord DM.

01:13:38.000 Farewell, everyone.

01:13:40.000 I don't hate my fans.

01:13:41.000 It's just, you know, I get a lot of communications, it tends to be overwhelming.

01:13:45.000 You know?

01:13:47.000 And so I try to keep up with it as much as possible.

01:13:50.000 But look, you revolted.

01:13:52.000 You revolted from the America First official Discord server.

01:13:56.000 You go and create your own server.

01:13:58.000 You host the show on there.

01:13:59.000 It's not the best thing you can do.

01:14:01.000 Look, if you're going to revolt against my sovereign authority, my divinely established authority over the Discord, it's just not going to look well for you.

01:14:11.000 So I'll try and get around in the Discord more these days.

01:14:14.000 But, you know, it's summertime.

01:14:17.000 We're having fun.

01:14:18.000 We're with the beach babes.

01:14:19.000 We're swimming in the pool.

01:14:22.000 That's a little bit different than what's actually happening.

01:14:25.000 But I'll try and hang out in there more.

01:14:27.000 You know, I do the call-in show every week, so I'm at least in there every other week.

01:14:30.000 Maybe I'll get a Fortnite stream going or something.

01:14:33.000 We'll see.

01:14:35.000 Torquil says I'm working a summer job at UPS right now.

01:14:39.000 Great conversation today.

01:14:40.000 Probably the best guest I've heard on your channel.

01:14:43.000 What are your thoughts on mixed race people?

01:14:45.000 I'm half Egyptian and half British.

01:14:47.000 What place do we have in the America First movement?

01:14:50.000 Well, first of all, you're working UPS.

01:14:53.000 That job is hard.

01:14:56.000 I'll just say that much.

01:14:57.000 It's a great job.

01:14:58.000 You get great health care benefits.

01:15:01.000 For what you're doing, the pay is all right.

01:15:03.000 I mean, you have to look at it a certain way.

01:15:05.000 And there's great opportunities for advancement.

01:15:07.000 I mean, if you want a good job, UPS is the way to go.

01:15:11.000 Unfortunately, I was working at the Chicago Area Consolidation Hub, where you had a large population of people working there from Gary, Indiana, and the south side of Chicago.

01:15:23.000 And that's not a problem in and of itself. 0.89

01:15:25.000 Look, I have no problem with Chicagoans and Garyans or anything like that.

01:15:29.000 But the job I was working is you unload the trailer.

01:15:32.000 You go into the truck and you unload it.

01:15:35.000 It's one of the largest distribution hubs in the city or in the world.

01:15:39.000 I think it is the largest in the world.

01:15:41.000 And the volume is crazy where they pull in the trucks.

01:15:44.000 You got to unload the packages as fast as possible onto the conveyor belt so they can then be distributed to the proper trucks or other facilities.

01:15:53.000 And I remember I would jump in the trailer, and what these people do, who are a little bit careless with their work, is instead of doing it the proper way, which is what you would think boxes stacked.

01:16:05.000 10 feet tall, all the way down the trailer, is you start from the top.

01:16:09.000 You take the box off the top, you put it on the conveyor, and then you do it from top to bottom, and then you start on the next row.

01:16:15.000 Well, these people, they cut some corners, right?

01:16:17.000 So they're pulling big, huge boxes from under, and they wait for all the boxes to collapse.

01:16:23.000 And they count on you just running out of the trailer quickly enough that you don't get, like, your head chopped off.

01:16:30.000 They pull the biggest box out from under, and the wall, they call it the wall, collapses on you.

01:16:36.000 And these boxes, some of them are 140 pounds.

01:16:40.000 Now, that's not a big deal if it's on the ground, but if it's coming at you, it's dropping at, what, 9.8 miles per hour, I think is what I remember from physics, from 10 feet high.

01:16:51.000 It's kind of a safety hazard.

01:16:53.000 And I said, you know, this is going to be tough.

01:16:56.000 And then on top of that, I got a job offer from Leadership Institute or a job training.

01:17:00.000 So there was that.

01:17:02.000 But it was very difficult, very hard job.

01:17:05.000 Five hours a day, and sometimes you'd work three hours.

01:17:09.000 They drag you out there, it's 100 degrees in the trailer. 0.97

01:17:09.000 And that just sucks. 0.97

01:17:14.000 And you're just constantly lifting, and your paycheck's $140 at the end of the week. 0.97

01:17:20.000 Brutal.

01:17:22.000 But, you know, you got to think of it as you're getting paid to work out.

01:17:25.000 That's what I thought of it as.

01:17:26.000 You're getting paid to work out because it's a workout, and, hey, you make a little money on the side.

01:17:31.000 And then some guy broke my water bottle.

01:17:34.000 This guy, I set my water bottle down, you know, where you're supposed to.

01:17:39.000 He kicks it over on accident, and he's like, oh, this broke. 1.00

01:17:42.000 I'm like, no, it didn't break, you fat idiot. 1.00

01:17:45.000 You broke it. 1.00

01:17:46.000 I didn't say that, but.

01:17:48.000 I felt that.

01:17:50.000 Oh, sorry, Nick.

01:17:51.000 This broke.

01:17:52.000 No, I think you broke it.

01:17:53.000 Yuff. 1.00

01:17:55.000 Anyway, but yeah, on mixed race people, look, I have no animus against it.

01:18:00.000 People always ask me, is it okay if I'm black and I'm in the movement?

01:18:03.000 Yeah, of course, of course.

01:18:05.000 I am of the belief that America having an ethnic core is good for everybody involved.

01:18:11.000 I'm not for like an ethnic cleansing or anything like that.

01:18:14.000 People attribute that to me.

01:18:15.000 I'm not a white nationalist or anything like that.

01:18:18.000 My belief is that an ethnic core is necessary for a nation to survive.

01:18:22.000 That means a majority or a supermajority. 0.65

01:18:25.000 70, 80%, you know, we can't really like calculate these things, but the more homogeneous the core is, the better.

01:18:33.000 And you see this in China, you see this in Russia, you see this all over the place. 0.54

01:18:36.000 Even America was only 90% white at its peak in the 1960s.

01:18:43.000 And so I'm not like anti minority or anything like that.

01:18:45.000 I just think it's in the best interest of minority Americans and white Americans that you have an ethnic core, that there's some degree of homogeneity.

01:18:54.000 You have to have it.

01:18:56.000 And so mixed race people, we have room for everybody. 0.99

01:18:59.000 So long as you are against what is happening to the country, the transformation. 1.00

01:19:04.000 And it's happening deliberately.

01:19:06.000 People act like this is the natural process.

01:19:08.000 It's not natural. 1.00

01:19:09.000 We're importing millions of people. 0.98

01:19:12.000 They think like you're, if you think that this trend of like setting the country on fire is bad, you must want to kill everyone. 0.92

01:19:22.000 Like, no, no. 1.00

01:19:23.000 We're just saying stop bringing millions of people here every year.

01:19:27.000 You don't have to be a white nationalist to say we don't want to be Mexico. 0.88

01:19:31.000 So I think there is.

01:19:34.000 A big, there is a wide, it's a big net that we can cast if we say it's in the interest of everybody if this is maintained. 0.97

01:19:44.000 It's in the interest of everybody if this remains an Anglo Protestant culturally country and has a white core. 0.95

01:19:52.000 I think it's in everybody's interest. 0.93

01:19:54.000 Look what happens when the opposite happens. 0.56

01:19:57.000 Look what happened to Zimbabwe.

01:19:58.000 Look what happened to South Africa. 1.00

01:20:00.000 Is that good for whites or blacks? 0.91

01:20:02.000 No, it didn't work for anybody. 0.99

01:20:05.000 So I have no problem.

01:20:07.000 And, you know, some might contend that I'm mixed race.

01:20:10.000 I don't think that's necessarily true because Mexican isn't a race.

01:20:14.000 There is some mix.

01:20:16.000 There is some composition that is mixed where it's 15% native and the rest is white, basically.

01:20:24.000 But no, I mean, I don't think it's inherently there's anything wrong with it.

01:20:30.000 Let's look at our super chats and we'll see what's going on in the super chats.

01:20:35.000 Jordan Abbott's.

01:20:37.000 Says, hey, Nick, big fan of the show.

01:20:39.000 Have you heard of Kevin Nicholson?

01:20:41.000 He's running for Senate in Wisconsin.

01:20:43.000 Great guy.

01:20:44.000 Love the show.

01:20:45.000 Glad you love the show.

01:20:46.000 Thank you.

01:20:48.000 I think I've heard the name before vaguely, but I don't know anything about him.

01:20:52.000 But hey, good luck to him. 0.73

01:20:54.000 Pragmatic Culture says, true thick dong here on why muck farming is absolutely based.

01:21:01.000 Well, thank you for that insightful comment. 0.59

01:21:04.000 But no, there is a meme going around about muck farming, and it is about Aestheticism, not to be confused with aesthetic, asceticism, which is A S C E T I C I S M. People talking about muck farming in medieval times, being an illiterate peasant, it's better than what we have now.

01:21:24.000 And people might say, oh, but you're not a peasant.

01:21:27.000 Well, yeah, but we're used to it, so it doesn't count.

01:21:30.000 But point being that in objective terms, a muck farmer is probably more likely to be saved than we are.

01:21:38.000 Would you rather be a muck farmer for 50 years and then die and go to heaven? 1.00

01:21:42.000 Or would you rather be some shit lib boomer eating on your yacht or whatever with a stupid fedora and then you die and you're in hell forever? 1.00

01:21:52.000 Which would you prefer? 1.00

01:21:54.000 Gondola says, We are bearing witness to possibly the most ambitious crossover in history.

01:22:00.000 Yes, very ambitious.

01:22:02.000 Two great minds.

01:22:04.000 Billy42 says, Have you seen Pat Little's latest video where he went, quote, jaywalking inside a Holocaust museum?

01:22:11.000 I did see that.

01:22:13.000 Guy, gotta say, brilliant, brilliant work.

01:22:15.000 Keep it up, big guy.

01:22:18.000 You're gonna change the world, right?

01:22:20.000 That's how you're gonna do it.

01:22:23.000 I feel bad for him. 1.00

01:22:24.000 He's mentally ill. 1.00

01:22:25.000 And I think people are enabling him. 0.99

01:22:27.000 They should stop before it ends badly for everybody.

01:22:31.000 Jordan Abbott says, Merch.

01:22:33.000 Also, I'm designing the compound for fun.

01:22:35.000 Good.

01:22:36.000 Good.

01:22:37.000 I almost want to study architecture for a little bit because I play a lot of Minecraft.

01:22:41.000 So I figure I could be an architect, right?

01:22:45.000 But it does interest me.

01:22:46.000 Well, hey, good luck designing the compound.

01:22:49.000 We're going to need it.

01:22:50.000 We want brutalist architecture.

01:22:51.000 I know for Mike Mobb, they want this woodland compound.

01:22:54.000 They're going to make it out of trees or something.

01:22:57.000 My compound.

01:22:58.000 If I ever have one, it's going to be heavy.

01:23:02.000 It's going to be brutalist architecture, big, oppressive spires, ugly as all get out.

01:23:09.000 And I want the compound to send a message that basically says F you, go away, not welcome, do not attempt to enter.

01:23:19.000 And I want there to be barbed wire.

01:23:20.000 And of course, all of that is an illusion inside of this horrible place.

01:23:27.000 It'll be like wood paneling, it'll be classical.

01:23:30.000 Tall ceilings, bookshelves.

01:23:32.000 I mean, it'll be something inside, but we want it to ward off anybody who might want to come in.

01:23:40.000 And on merch, yeah, we're going to get the merch together pretty soon.

01:23:44.000 Pretty soon.

01:23:46.000 We're going to have to because a deal is being signed.

01:23:50.000 Finally, finally, it's happening.

01:23:52.000 We can finally put all of that difficulty behind us.

01:23:57.000 Seven months in the making.

01:23:59.000 We're finally putting it to bed, and the merch will be coming.

01:24:03.000 So look out for it soon.

01:24:04.000 I don't like the expression merch, though.

01:24:06.000 It's so basic.

01:24:07.000 Let's just call it merchandise stuff.

01:24:10.000 I like stuff.

01:24:10.000 I don't know.

01:24:11.000 As much as I hate materialism, I just love stuff.

01:24:15.000 You know, I love my books.

01:24:17.000 I love my stuff.

01:24:20.000 Gondola says, True Schlong Super Chat Squad reporting in.

01:24:26.000 Excellent.

01:24:28.000 Rawhide says, Looking good, Nick.

01:24:29.000 Loving the professional look.

01:24:31.000 Well, I don't know if that's a dig because I haven't shaved or anything, but I guess thanks for the compliment. 1.00

01:24:38.000 Gondola says, Gnostic gang. 1.00

01:24:40.000 There you go. 1.00

01:24:41.000 I'm not necessarily a Gnostic, but all right.

01:24:45.000 Jake Destabia says, True Diltom should have a conversation with classical theist.

01:24:49.000 The way he expresses his ideas seems ripe for conversion.

01:24:52.000 Similar to JBP, in my opinion.

01:24:54.000 Yeah, very similar.

01:24:55.000 Lots of similarities.

01:24:56.000 He comes at it from a more philosophical as opposed to a psychological angle.

01:25:01.000 Jordan Peterson is psychological.

01:25:03.000 I think True Diltom is more of a philosophical angle.

01:25:08.000 But yeah, that would be a very interesting conversation with classical theist.

01:25:12.000 We could make that happen someday.

01:25:15.000 Willick says, You and True Dill Tom should do a deep dive into Trump's effects on the U.S. economy.

01:25:21.000 Jobs, wages, growth in depressed areas, or not.

01:25:24.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:25:25.000 We could do that.

01:25:26.000 That would be fun.

01:25:27.000 Erival says, Great chat with True Ding Dong.

01:25:30.000 He needs to actually believe in God in order to make his references to the divine or the sacred legitimate. 1.00

01:25:35.000 He smites for an ABBO, though. 1.00

01:25:38.000 Yeah, I mean, that's really the rub for me it's not fun.

01:25:41.000 Look.

01:25:43.000 We all have desires, you know.

01:25:45.000 We all want to sin badly, and it's tough.

01:25:49.000 So, people are not exactly gung ho once they learn about Catholicism and they realize there's a lot of rules.

01:25:56.000 And you're not supposed to see them as rules, but in the modern context, that's unfortunately how it is.

01:26:01.000 But you've got to believe.

01:26:03.000 All of that is, unfortunately, just words if you don't truly believe.

01:26:07.000 And I get what he's saying that he's sort of like on the wavelength of the archetypal man.

01:26:15.000 He feels it in his bones, the archetypes, man.

01:26:19.000 And I'm kind of joking.

01:26:20.000 I get what he means by that.

01:26:22.000 But in order to truly believe in the authority of the divine, the legitimacy, the truth of the divine, I think you have to give it content.

01:26:30.000 I think you have to give it substance, the divine content.

01:26:34.000 And that is with a particular religion.

01:26:36.000 And I think the correct one is Christianity.

01:26:38.000 So maybe you should read some Aquinas. 0.98

01:26:41.000 I don't know.

01:26:42.000 He said he was an apologist, so perhaps he's already read it.

01:26:45.000 But to me, he said that he was an evidentialist.

01:26:46.000 He believes that you can derive truth, or rather, perhaps that he was, that you could derive the divine through reason.

01:26:54.000 I think Thomas Aquinas did that.

01:26:58.000 Al Sabati says, Well, will you and your guest please read Schleiermacher?

01:27:04.000 I'll Google that right now so that I'll remember to look that up.

01:27:10.000 I've been trying to build a more robust reading list.

01:27:12.000 Whoops, shrunk the window there.

01:27:14.000 I'm trying to build a more robust reading list.

01:27:18.000 So I'll look into it.

01:27:20.000 Eat Scrabble says, Liberty that isn't directed towards virtue is evil and does not reap more freedom.

01:27:26.000 Sin is slavery.

01:27:28.000 Conservatives see freedom as an end, not a means to.

01:27:31.000 Well, yeah, that's exactly right.

01:27:35.000 In the sense that freedom in and of itself is just such a vapid concept.

01:27:41.000 They talk about negative freedom or positive freedom.

01:27:44.000 And of course, all of this is irrelevant outside the context of virtue.

01:27:50.000 Could you say that a drug dealer is free?

01:27:53.000 He's free to vote, he's free to own a gun.

01:27:59.000 He does a contracting thing where he.

01:28:02.000 Pays the private security forces to guard the perimeter, and he watches an advertisement to turn on his faucet in the morning, and he watches an advertisement to fill his cereal bowl up with milk, and he's a free man.

01:28:15.000 But is he really free if he's on drugs?

01:28:17.000 Is he really free if he's dependent?

01:28:18.000 I mean, we all serve a master.

01:28:21.000 At the end of the day, that's the human condition.

01:28:24.000 Is that master going to be God, or is it going to be sin?

01:28:28.000 Is it going to be some, you know, whatever?

01:28:31.000 So you're right.

01:28:32.000 Cloudstar says, I think Trump has built up enough capital to where he can hold off.

01:28:37.000 For the wall now, and I think it's going to happen this time.

01:28:41.000 I don't know.

01:28:41.000 Why?

01:28:41.000 It's difficult to quantify to say, like, well, he has more political capital now than then, but he definitely, you look at the polls, 90% approval or 88% approval within the Republican Party, among Republicans.

01:28:57.000 That's serious clout.

01:28:58.000 That's serious capital.

01:29:00.000 You can't be ignored.

01:29:01.000 You know, perhaps if he was newly inaugurated and he tried to push the entire party in one direction, There could be some resistance.

01:29:10.000 But now, when you have unanimous unanimity within the party that Trump is a representative of where we're at, it's much more difficult for the Koch brothers, Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell to resist the president, the will of our God Emperor.

01:29:27.000 So hopefully it happens.

01:29:29.000 He's threatening to shut down, he's being flexible with it.

01:29:31.000 He's saying border wall isn't a red line, but he said border security is, and he said border wall is a part of border security.

01:29:38.000 So, we'll see what happens.

01:29:40.000 But I do think he's done a lot of good.

01:29:42.000 And that was my argument from the start, which is that immigration is something that is universally opposed.

01:29:48.000 And that's what I said from the start.

01:29:50.000 Build up your clout on economics, build up your clout on trade, build up your clout on the courts and all the rest.

01:29:56.000 Build up political capital, this resume, and then you can push on the things that are a little bit more out there.

01:30:03.000 And I said that from the start.

01:30:04.000 I said that in fall.

01:30:07.000 So, I think you're right.

01:30:09.000 Hopefully, it'll happen. 0.99

01:30:10.000 Spooky Ghost said, Nick, the episode where you talked about Israel's false nuclear bunker blew my mind. 0.94

01:30:16.000 Same with Stuxnet.

01:30:18.000 If not for America First, where can I learn more?

01:30:22.000 Well, I'm glad that you are learning.

01:30:24.000 I'm glad that you're hearing about new things.

01:30:26.000 I'm a student as well.

01:30:28.000 People have it that I'm like this totally arrogant, and I'm kind of a narcissist, okay?

01:30:33.000 Guilty as charged.

01:30:34.000 You have to be on any kind of recording.

01:30:38.000 It'd be on television, it'd be on YouTube.

01:30:40.000 You kind of have to be.

01:30:42.000 Who.

01:30:42.000 Who is not a narcissist could sit down every night for an hour and talk to themselves?

01:30:48.000 I mean, I'm in a room alone just talking to a camera, and I guess you're watching, and have it in their head.

01:30:55.000 People will sit down and they will watch and they will pay to hear my opinions.

01:31:00.000 You have to be kind of a narcissist to think that. 0.77

01:31:04.000 There was somebody who said that about the presidents because people said, oh, well, Reagan's a narcissist and Obama's a narcissist.

01:31:11.000 And they said, well, all presidents kind of have to have this personality.

01:31:15.000 Trait that if you think, well, I can run for president, that has to be the case.

01:31:19.000 And I think the same is true with this.

01:31:23.000 But of course, I have the humility that I am young.

01:31:26.000 I don't have the experience, and I'm a believer in experience.

01:31:30.000 And because I'm an extremely observant person and a very smart person, I'm able, I think, to advance more quickly than many people, or I have more curiosity.

01:31:42.000 But we're all students, we're all learning.

01:31:45.000 And so, where you can learn, you got to read old books.

01:31:48.000 Look for book lists.

01:31:50.000 This is the real red pill.

01:31:52.000 You know, you could go out there and go to like Barnes Noble and get, you know, what's his name?

01:31:58.000 Eric Bolling's book on why conservatives punch liberals.

01:32:01.000 Oh, it's epic.

01:32:03.000 Low taxes, and it's, you know, large font.

01:32:06.000 It's 150 pages and 50 pages of charts and tables, and it's a big glossy cover.

01:32:12.000 Or you can look up smart people's book lists.

01:32:16.000 That's the red pill.

01:32:19.000 Read books, and here's the fantastic thing.

01:32:21.000 If you're reading the right books, they reference other authors and other philosophers.

01:32:25.000 Bam!

01:32:26.000 Bigger book list.

01:32:27.000 So I read Pat Buchanan, for example.

01:32:29.000 I read Death of the West.

01:32:32.000 Within the first two chapters, you've got like 20 authors, 20 books, 20 whatever that are referenced.

01:32:38.000 There you go.

01:32:39.000 That's how you do it.

01:32:40.000 So, in my experience, that's the best way.

01:32:44.000 It's not like a systematic way, it's just kind of like a go with the flow.

01:32:47.000 You've got to explore, you've got to get curious about it.

01:32:51.000 So, I hope that's helpful.

01:32:52.000 Simon Skola says Have you seen part one of Rest in Power, the Trayvon Martin story?

01:32:57.000 Was George Zimmerman in the wrong in any way, in your opinion?

01:33:00.000 I haven't watched it, but no, he wasn't wrong.

01:33:03.000 I mean, he was getting his head smashed into the pavement and he defended himself.

01:33:07.000 It is what it is.

01:33:09.000 And anyway, Trayvon Martin was not an angel.

01:33:10.000 He was going to get high.

01:33:11.000 What did he have?

01:33:12.000 Arizona iced tea and cough syrup and what was the other ingredient?

01:33:18.000 I mean, he had the ingredients of Purple Drank.

01:33:20.000 Is it any surprise?

01:33:22.000 You know?

01:33:23.000 And it's also funny to me the documentary, it's called Rest in Power.

01:33:27.000 Black people love that kind of stuff.

01:33:30.000 I don't know if you noticed, but this is definitely a characteristic.

01:33:33.000 They love those like rhyme schemes, or like if you turn, you have like this cool turn of phrase.

01:33:40.000 I remember Kanye West, he did an interview with Charlemagne, and he was like, Well, I didn't have a breakdown.

01:33:46.000 I prefer to say that I had a breakthrough.

01:33:48.000 You know, people say I had a breakdown, but I think it was a breakthrough.

01:33:52.000 Or they break down words, and the etymology is totally bogus.

01:33:56.000 You know, there's like real Latin roots, but they'll say, Oh, within the word is this phrase.

01:34:00.000 And oh, isn't that cool?

01:34:02.000 I mean, they love that kind of stuff.

01:34:03.000 And it's just.

01:34:05.000 Funny to me.

01:34:07.000 Rest in power.

01:34:08.000 Yeah, you know, right on.

01:34:11.000 Give me a break.

01:34:13.000 Al Sabadi says, oh, he's saying something in Latin.

01:34:17.000 I have to say, I haven't been on the Latin studies, and he sent me the book to learn Latin.

01:34:23.000 It's very difficult because I've been going through it, I've been trying to learn it.

01:34:28.000 But the book, the philosophy of this book, which teaches you language, is that it doesn't actually teach you, it's just in Latin, and you're supposed to learn it.

01:34:39.000 By reading it in the same way that, like, I guess probably foreigners learned English, which is just, I forget, there's a name for this approach.

01:34:48.000 I looked into it.

01:34:50.000 But so I've been reading it and it's, I've been getting like the gist of it, but to like memorize and really incorporate it has been difficult because it's just, it's all in Latin.

01:34:59.000 There's no English that says, well, this is what this means.

01:35:03.000 And my brain doesn't really work that way.

01:35:05.000 So I've been trying, but it's been a little tough.

01:35:08.000 So I, but you're saying, I think you're saying, is Egypt and Rome?

01:35:14.000 I believe that's what that says.

01:35:15.000 Again, I don't even know how to pronounce it because it doesn't say that in the book.

01:35:19.000 But I think that's what you're saying.

01:35:21.000 And the answer would be no.

01:35:23.000 Well, at the time, it would be yes.

01:35:25.000 Homeland Henry says, Have you read any Machiavelli?

01:35:28.000 Well, I've read The Prince, as everyone has, but not anything further.

01:35:33.000 You know, interestingly enough about The Prince, I don't know how true this is or not, but I've heard this before.

01:35:40.000 Libertarians say, That the Prince was actually an anti government treatise, but it was written at the time when that kind of thing would be frowned upon.

01:35:48.000 So they, in a very sneaky way, made it about, like, oh, isn't it so cool to be a Machiavellian?

01:35:56.000 Well, I mean, this is where we derive Machiavellian, but isn't it cool to be a cunning and brutal leader?

01:36:01.000 And that was supposed to be like a way to present a very libertarian argument, which is skepticism of power, but in a way that is flattering to the ruling class.

01:36:11.000 So the ruling class would read it as, Oh, we're geniuses.

01:36:14.000 We're masterminds.

01:36:15.000 This is how you rule. 0.99

01:36:16.000 And the tiny people would say, These people are sick. 0.99

01:36:19.000 We have to overthrow them. 0.79

01:36:20.000 I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I heard that like in a podcast or something. 0.96

01:36:25.000 Spooky Ghost says, I was asking more where you learned that particular information about Israel, but good answer nonetheless, my man.

01:36:31.000 Oh, okay.

01:36:32.000 Well, about Israel in particular, there's a great book called The Israel Lobby, which is a starting place for anybody by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Waltz.

01:36:43.000 There's a great book called Against Our Better Judgment by Allison Weir.

01:36:46.000 These are my first two that I recommend to anybody.

01:36:49.000 But there's a lot of great sources.

01:36:51.000 If you just look into it, and I've gathered over the course of many, many debates, you know, I debated Aaron Bandler, Will Chamberlain, Jacob Wolf, you know, countless Zionists.

01:37:02.000 Will Chamberlain a second time, who is the Halsey, many, many people on the subject.

01:37:08.000 And so over the course of many debates, I'll have to publish the Google Docs because I have like a 15 page document.

01:37:14.000 With all the information, stuff that you've probably never even heard before, that I haven't used in debates about the Israel debate.

01:37:21.000 So maybe I'll publish that at some point in time.

01:37:25.000 And let's see if we have any more Streamlabs.

01:37:27.000 It's a long show, folks.

01:37:29.000 My stomach is growling.

01:37:32.000 Okay, so thank God.

01:37:33.000 Thank God.

01:37:34.000 You know, it's always a good problem to have that you have a lot of super chats, but it's like, man, I'd like to eat.

01:37:40.000 So I should eat beforehand.

01:37:42.000 That's me not preparing in some way, right?

01:37:46.000 It's like my math teacher always used to say failing to prepare is preparing to fail, folks.

01:37:51.000 But maybe I'm fasting.

01:37:53.000 I'll just say I'm fasting.

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What is Traditionalism feat. Truediltom | America First Ep. 211

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