America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - zoom debate and hangout-fs

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00:10:58.000 What's up?

00:11:30.000 everybody?

00:11:31.000 It's me, Nick, and I'm back tonight with potentially, is the music too loud?

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00:11:53.000 We'll see what's going on. 0.99

00:11:55.000 But I got a super chat tonight on my show, and some people reached out to me saying that Nick Video And some others wanted to debate from TikTok on Zoom.

00:12:06.000 So that's what we're going to do.

00:12:07.000 I got the music in the background.

00:12:09.000 We got the Civ game up.

00:12:11.000 I'm going to enter into the Zoom call right now, and we'll see what's going on.

00:12:17.000 We'll see what's the what.

00:12:21.000 I haven't entered even into the Zoom yet, so I'm going to jump in there, and that'll be, you know, we'll see what's up.

00:12:27.000 But I'm going to launch in right now, and then once I get on the Zoom call, I'll put it up on the screen, and I'll be multitasking a little bit.

00:12:38.000 But I just want to have something up on the screen, just, you know, depending on what we find in the Zoom call.

00:12:46.000 So let me bring the music down a little bit.

00:12:49.000 I can't even hear myself think.

00:12:50.000 It's so loud.

00:12:54.000 Okay.

00:12:55.000 So let me get in the meeting here and we'll see what happens.

00:12:57.000 I've entered into the password.

00:12:59.000 I'm jumping in.

00:13:01.000 Oh, I. Video preview.

00:13:04.000 I guess I'll have to go without a video.

00:13:08.000 Okay.

00:13:10.000 I'm logging in.

00:13:13.000 The meeting host is letting me in.

00:13:19.000 And it looks like I'm in.

00:13:21.000 So I guess I'll join with my computer audio.

00:13:26.000 Is that how you do it?

00:13:34.000 Hello?

00:13:35.000 Can you hear me?

00:13:37.000 No, he said, I guess I'll join, so.

00:13:40.000 Okay.

00:13:43.000 Somebody's watching my stream.

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00:13:45.000 It's Nicholas.

00:13:46.000 Oh, I see him.

00:13:47.000 Okay, I'm muted.

00:13:47.000 I see him.

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00:13:52.000 Oh, I'm muted.

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00:14:01.000 Okay, yeah, I know.

00:14:02.000 Alright, let me put it up on the screen so you guys can see what's going on here.

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00:14:10.000 The problem is the stream is using my camera and my audio.

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00:14:20.000 The problem is the stream is using my camera and my audio.

00:14:26.000 I can hear myself.

00:14:28.000 Here we go.

00:14:29.000 Oh, Nick.

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00:14:30.000 Okay, okay.

00:14:32.000 Wait, he's muted.

00:14:34.000 Yeah, I unmuted him.

00:14:35.000 He's not unmuted himself.

00:14:36.000 Okay, so for whatever reason, I can't see the.

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00:14:54.000 That's not it.

00:14:57.000 Okay.

00:14:57.000 Can whoever's watching my stream on the call mute my stream?

00:15:01.000 I can hear myself.

00:15:06.000 Okay.

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00:15:17.000 All right, here.

00:15:20.000 Can you hear me now?

00:15:21.000 Hello?

00:15:22.000 Yeah, we can hear you.

00:15:22.000 Yeah, how's it going?

00:15:23.000 We can hear you.

00:15:24.000 All right.

00:15:25.000 Can you hear me well or no?

00:15:27.000 Yeah, no, we can hear you.

00:15:28.000 Okay, great.

00:15:30.000 So, what's up?

00:15:32.000 How about you?

00:15:32.000 Well, nothing much.

00:15:34.000 Not much.

00:15:35.000 Why can't, why is the stream not being picked up on my, or the, why is the Zoom call not being picked up on my screen?

00:15:43.000 It's just a blank screen.

00:15:44.000 For me, is there like a setting you have to turn on to allow it to stream because you're playing the game?

00:15:50.000 I don't know.

00:15:51.000 I don't know.

00:15:53.000 I'll figure it out, whatever.

00:15:54.000 But, um, but yeah, so what's going on?

00:15:58.000 So we had a couple people in here that wanted to talk about uh terrorists with you that are that are everybody they're pro free trade.

00:16:05.000 Cringe, we have yo, could we?

00:16:09.000 Um, I guess could we?

00:16:10.000 You can, I can guess, I can kind of like serve as like the moderator, I guess, if y'all want, could we?

00:16:14.000 You can.

00:16:15.000 I guess, like, give your opening statement about what you think about that.

00:16:20.000 And then, Nick, if you want to give yours or just rebut his, whatever you want to do, whatever y'all want to do.

00:16:26.000 Okay.

00:16:27.000 Yeah, I'll hear an opening statement, I guess, for now.

00:16:32.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't really have an opening statement.

00:16:36.000 I like free trade.

00:16:39.000 I'll elaborate then.

00:16:41.000 Free trade allows us as a nation to increase the amount that we produce past.

00:16:46.000 The frontier that we can actually like pass the limits of our personal production.

00:16:51.000 It allows us to specialize in trade and specialize in specific goods that we're just better at producing.

00:16:57.000 And then whatever we need, we can trade with other nations to get.

00:17:00.000 Protectionism, and especially when it comes to protectionist tariffs, lead to something in economics which is called deadweight loss.

00:17:06.000 And these sort of losses can actually harm the overall economy more than the minuscule benefits that actually come from protectionism tariffs.

00:17:13.000 And that's why I'm pro free trade.

00:17:16.000 Okay.

00:17:17.000 I've heard this before.

00:17:17.000 Yeah.

00:17:18.000 And, you know, a lot of this stems from.

00:17:21.000 Very, very toxic, like comparative advantage economic theory, and just a lot of bad economic theory.

00:17:30.000 You know, I used to be a free trader.

00:17:31.000 I used to be super into the free market.

00:17:33.000 I used to be like a libertarian, Milton Friedman guy.

00:17:37.000 You know, Thomas Sowell is the one that got me into politics in the first place.

00:17:41.000 I watched one of his interviews on Uncommon Knowledge from the Hoover Institute.

00:17:47.000 He did an interview with, who is that, Peter Robinson.

00:17:49.000 I watched it in like eighth grade.

00:17:51.000 And anyway, so long story short, you know, I used to be in your shoes.

00:17:56.000 I used to have the same position.

00:17:58.000 And I guess where I would disagree is.

00:18:03.000 Is that trade deficits matter?

00:18:06.000 And, you know, I think a lot of free traders, the big mistake that they make is that they think that trade deficits don't matter.

00:18:13.000 You know, Milton Friedman famously, I think he said in the 60s something to the effect that a trade deficit is an accounting abstraction, is the famous quote.

00:18:22.000 In other words, it doesn't matter.

00:18:24.000 It's totally arbitrary whether you have a trade surplus or a trade deficit.

00:18:27.000 What matters is that these mutually beneficial exchanges are occurring, and because of comparative advantage theory, You cannot lose with free trade, right?

00:18:39.000 If one country is specializing in something according to their comparative advantage with opportunity costs, then, like you said, we could expand our frontier of consumption.

00:18:50.000 We can exceed what we could create with our own productive capacities.

00:18:55.000 But the problem is that none of that is true.

00:18:58.000 Trade deficits do matter.

00:19:02.000 The most basic way I can explain this is that what is a trade deficit?

00:19:05.000 A trade deficit, for people that don't know, is.

00:19:08.000 If we're trading with China and China exports more goods to our country than we export to them, then we have a trade deficit.

00:19:17.000 If we're importing from them more than we're exporting.

00:19:19.000 But what does that really mean?

00:19:20.000 It means that we're getting, just for the sake of numbers, let's say we're getting $500 billion worth of goods from China and we're only sending them $250 billion worth of goods.

00:19:32.000 That means it's a trade deficit of $250 billion.

00:19:35.000 But you don't get something for nothing.

00:19:38.000 How would it make sense that?

00:19:40.000 Why would it be in China's best interest to give us?

00:19:43.000 More than twice the stuff in terms of value that we give them.

00:19:46.000 Of course, we have to pay for that deficit in some way.

00:19:50.000 We have to service that deficit in some way.

00:19:52.000 We have to give them something in return for the stuff that they send us.

00:19:56.000 And this is actually practically how it works with the United States and China.

00:20:00.000 We have a massive deficit.

00:20:02.000 I don't know what it is right now, but in the past, we've had deficits like $600 billion, crazy deficits.

00:20:08.000 And the way that you make up the difference, there's only three ways that you could pay for it.

00:20:12.000 You pay for it with debt or assets.

00:20:16.000 Or currency, but that's the only way.

00:20:18.000 Those are the only ways that you can pay for it.

00:20:20.000 And assets, that is things like securities, that is like ownership in companies, that's real estate, it's land, it's buildings, debt, obviously, we all know what debt is.

00:20:32.000 Or currency is we're actually giving them US dollars.

00:20:35.000 And all three of those are problematic ways to pay for the consumption goods that China sends us.

00:20:43.000 We're getting cheap Chinese plastic goods in a lot of cases.

00:20:47.000 In exchange, we're giving them.

00:20:49.000 Our productive capital, our productive assets like businesses, like land.

00:20:53.000 We're giving them debt so that not only are we paying for it, but then we're paying more money to service that debt later on in the future.

00:20:59.000 And then currency is particularly pernicious because they take our currency, they store our currency in sovereign wealth funds, and then they can use our own currency sort of against us to manipulate the exchange rate at strategic times.

00:21:14.000 And so basically, in any way you cut it with trade, a lot of this theory stuff is really nice, and economists come up with nice theories.

00:21:24.000 You know, this panacea that, well, free trade is as easy.

00:21:28.000 It works everywhere in every country, in every case, all the time, and you never lose.

00:21:31.000 You just trade, and you don't have to look at ports.

00:21:34.000 You don't have to look at factories or goods or countries.

00:21:37.000 It's just the one stop shop, it's the only answer.

00:21:39.000 But when you really break down balance of payments and if you get into comparative theory, comparative trade theory, or comparative advantage theory, then that's when it begins to fall apart.

00:21:49.000 So that would be my rebuttal.

00:21:54.000 Cuddle, do you want to step in here?

00:21:56.000 Do you want me to like.

00:21:58.000 I was kind of forced into this debate, so I really don't.

00:22:02.000 Okay, I'll just.

00:22:03.000 So I understand why you focus a lot on trade deficits, but wouldn't you argue, right?

00:22:09.000 The trade deficit is not itself a problem for the U.S. economy if we're looking specifically at the United States, as because a larger trade deficit can be actually the result of a stronger economy, because obviously larger trade deficits happen as we spend more, right?

00:22:22.000 So as consumers spend more and more and import more, while higher interest rates make foreign investors more eager to place their money in the United States, this means that higher trade deficits could actually mean A result of a stronger economy.

00:22:33.000 And, like, I don't understand the point that you're trying to make when you say trade deficits are inherently bad.

00:22:40.000 Because the idea that, yes, while we do spend more and put less into the economy, it's flawed at heart because part of our economic advantage is the massive increase in consumer spending.

00:22:53.000 And any increase in consumer spending could theoretically lead to an increase in trade deficits.

00:23:00.000 Well, the focus, again, on the deficits, it's really about short term versus long term.

00:23:05.000 I guess the problem with what you're saying and the problem with free trade theory is that if you're trying to maximize consumption today, I would actually concede and say that you're right.

00:23:16.000 Free trade is the best.

00:23:18.000 Because you're right.

00:23:19.000 I mean, free trade does that.

00:23:21.000 The free market ideology is like this in a lot of ways.

00:23:24.000 It just leaves out kind of the other part of the equation, which is to say that, as you know, as free market people also like to say, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

00:23:34.000 And what economy means is trade offs.

00:23:36.000 We've got scarce resources, and it's really a question of.

00:23:39.000 You know, making trade offs.

00:23:41.000 How do you allocate the resources?

00:23:43.000 And when it comes to free trade, what you're inherently doing is prioritizing short term consumption over other long term considerations.

00:23:53.000 So I would agree that, you know, like in the short term, if you wanted to consume, if you wanted to be a decadent society and consume more than, you know, your country is able to consume with just its own factors of production, then yeah, free trade would allow you to do that.

00:24:07.000 But at what cost?

00:24:09.000 In order to pay for that excess consumption, like I said, What are you giving in return for those goods?

00:24:15.000 What are you giving in balance of payments?

00:24:17.000 What are you giving in return for the goods and services that you're running a deficit on?

00:24:22.000 You're giving over all of your productive capital.

00:24:24.000 You're giving over, like I said, your debt, your assets, your securities.

00:24:29.000 And so the point I'm getting at is that you can run a trade deficit, but you cannot run a trade deficit indefinitely because at a certain point, you run out of assets to sell off, you run out of debt that you can service, you run out of money.

00:24:43.000 And so at a certain point, The proverbial chicken comes home to roost, and then you have to limit your consumption in order to subsidize the trade deficit.

00:24:53.000 That is really, I think, the point, which is to say that if you're a decadent society trading with a diligent society, you're going to consume more in the short term, but eventually we'll be working for the diligent society because we will be servicing that trade deficit with all of our productive capital and with our debt.

00:25:10.000 I don't think it's a fair trade, for example.

00:25:13.000 Let's take Amazon as an example.

00:25:15.000 Is it a fair trade?

00:25:17.000 To trade shares in Amazon in exchange for a consumable.

00:25:22.000 In other words, something that you're just going to consume, one time use, like a Chinese toy or an agricultural product or something like that?

00:25:30.000 Of course not, because the shares in Amazon, in a company, in land, this is productive capital.

00:25:36.000 And we should have a longer time horizon and say we want to protect industries that are going to be the industries of the future.

00:25:43.000 We want to make it so that we're protecting our jobs, we're protecting our capital, we're going to be a creditor as opposed to a debtor.

00:25:49.000 And that is really just about the strategic position of America.

00:25:54.000 I prefer a long term time horizon to the short term.

00:25:59.000 So, to better understand your point, what would be your policy then, like when it comes to just protectionist tariffs?

00:26:06.000 Like, would you implement protectionist tariffs with the implementation of like, would you with changing underlying savings and investment levels, or would you just like implement protectionist tariffs just to implement protectionist tariffs without changing anything else in the economic market?

00:26:21.000 I would do strategic tariffs.

00:26:24.000 I would do strategic tariffs.

00:26:25.000 And look at these industries.

00:26:29.000 For example, look at some of these industries where Japan and China and other countries have been rising against us for decades or are poised to in the future.

00:26:39.000 It's things like artificial intelligence, robotics, quantum computing, semiconductors, things like that.

00:26:47.000 And that's just a short list, but things like that should be protected.

00:26:50.000 They should be produced in house.

00:26:52.000 A lot of free market theory revolves around this idea that, well, we can't pick winners and losers because.

00:26:59.000 The market determines winners and losers.

00:27:01.000 The market determines what industries will be the future.

00:27:03.000 But we kind of have a pretty good idea.

00:27:06.000 Like I said, the cheap plastic toys, investing in that as an industry is not going to go anywhere.

00:27:12.000 We know that investing in that is not going to create this sort of ladder effect where it's going to lead to more development.

00:27:18.000 But investing in tech, that absolutely will.

00:27:22.000 So I would definitely do hardcore tariffs.

00:27:25.000 So, what would you say then to the argument that says that tariffs create inherent deadweight loss in the market?

00:27:31.000 As tariffs create an imbalance when it comes to the balance of supply and demand, thus creating deadweight loss.

00:27:36.000 What would you say to that sort of argument?

00:27:39.000 I would say that.

00:27:40.000 Oh, sorry.

00:27:41.000 Go ahead.

00:27:41.000 No, go.

00:27:42.000 You finish your point.

00:27:44.000 I don't see how any way in how tariffs don't create a deadweight loss and how any way that it decreases our overall productivity to try to assume that this idea of these sort of protectionist tariffs work.

00:27:56.000 And under my system, we would just specialize in what we do best because, as you said before, Nick, resources are.

00:28:04.000 Limited.

00:28:05.000 And on top of that, right, not all resources go effectively into the thing that we want to produce, right?

00:28:10.000 Like, for example, right, like, not all land is perfect for growing avocados, yet, like, Mexico is very good at growing avocados.

00:28:17.000 Why would the US then turn around and say, we're just going to grow avocados as much as we need for ourselves, even though our land isn't sustainable for that, right?

00:28:24.000 And this sort of protectionism undermines this idea of specialization, which then allows us to not only consume more, as you said, in the short term, but consume more in the long term, while also we can implement policies.

00:28:37.000 Even if I do concede the point, right, that trade deficits do hurt, which I don't, right?

00:28:41.000 You could always implement policies that try to limit any sort of growing pains that come from trade deficits.

00:28:48.000 Well, I would say that, you know, I'm not in favor of no trade because, I mean, it is true, obviously, that America just can't produce some resources.

00:28:57.000 I think we can produce basically nearly anything as efficiently or more efficiently than any other country.

00:29:04.000 But, I mean, it obviously isn't beneficial to do that.

00:29:08.000 But if you look at, for example, as late as the 1970s, imports only accounted for 5% of our economy.

00:29:17.000 That was in the 1970s.

00:29:18.000 And with the exception of, like you said, some specialty products like avocados or Swiss watches or things that grow in a more tropical climate, it's like geographically we just can't do it here.

00:29:30.000 With the exception of things like that, I mean, we made virtually everything in America.

00:29:35.000 And I think that we were doing fine in the 70s.

00:29:39.000 And even if you look at the Industrial Revolution, it was under a tariff system that we went through the Industrial Revolution.

00:29:45.000 And curiously, I think that time is actually very interesting that, like, Maybe 50 year period between the 1880s and the 1930s.

00:29:53.000 It was during that 50 year period, and I guess that was like the second or third wave of industrialization, that Germany and America vastly exceeded Great Britain in terms of their economic output.

00:30:06.000 Germany and America, they were protectionist during the Industrial Revolution versus Britain, which was free trade.

00:30:12.000 And the United Kingdom or Great Britain, that's held up as the shining example of free trade by the free traders.

00:30:20.000 They say, you know, in the The Jubilee in the 1890s and under Queen Victoria, only 10% of the GDP was government spending.

00:30:28.000 And they had laissez faire internally and free trade with foreign countries abroad.

00:30:33.000 And during that period in that Industrial Revolution, that is when they fell behind the other protective powers like Germany, America.

00:30:41.000 America had the greatest gap that they've ever had in history with other countries in terms of output during the Industrial Revolution when we had protective tariffs.

00:30:52.000 And that was actually the norm from the War of 1812 all the way through until the FDR administration tariffs. 0.51

00:31:00.000 And so I think that, you know, that's sane America first policy.

00:31:04.000 I think that's the, you know, American trade policy that made America a great industrial power.

00:31:08.000 And, you know, I hear, you know, like deadweight loss and things like that.

00:31:13.000 A lot of the problem with free market people is the excessive focus on theory.

00:31:19.000 And the problem, it's not that I have a problem with economic theory, it's the problem that economic theory, Is very, can be very limited and can't tell the whole story, which, like I just talked about, like balance of payments is a perfect example.

00:31:33.000 Well, I've got like so two things.

00:31:35.000 First of all, bringing up the 1970s and bringing up those other examples that you brought up, I mean, that could be up to a thousand different factors during the time.

00:31:42.000 So I'd have to ask you to prove causation on every single one of those points that you brought up, right?

00:31:46.000 Because, I mean, the 1970s grow, boom and busts.

00:31:52.000 We had almost like what, three?

00:31:54.000 Boom and bust cycles in the 1980s alone, if I'm not mistaken, one in oil and et cetera.

00:31:59.000 There's so many different factors that could contribute to what you're stating right now when it comes to protectionist tariffs.

00:32:04.000 A second thing that I'd really like to go into is trade deficits just naturally grow and fall as we spend more and less.

00:32:14.000 I think we can both agree consumer spending is good for the economy, right, Nick?

00:32:21.000 Yeah, I agree.

00:32:24.000 Just an economic indicator that just shows us how much we are spending and how much we are spending and how much we are getting in.

00:32:31.000 And as such, I mean, the best example of this is, for example, the last time America had a significant decrease in its trade deficit was in 2009 during the Great Recession.

00:32:39.000 So, again, that's just the first point.

00:32:41.000 Trade deficits are nothing more than an economic indicator, really.

00:32:46.000 I disagree.

00:32:47.000 We just talked about trade deficits.

00:32:49.000 I addressed exactly that point.

00:32:52.000 When free traders say that it's just an accounting abstraction, I mean, that's exactly what you just said.

00:32:59.000 I mean, you have to pay for your trade deficits when you have to pay for them, and there's only three ways to pay for them.

00:32:59.000 It's not true.

00:33:05.000 And none of those are good for the long term.

00:33:09.000 None of those trade offs are good long term decisions.

00:33:12.000 So, I mean, consumption is good for the economy, like in a very broad way, but like maximizing consumption at the expense of your factors of production, that's not good for the economy.

00:33:23.000 See, yeah, and I'm going to address that point, but I'm going to make my second point that I was going to make, which is trade deficits leave out an important piece of the picture, which is foreign investment, right? 0.55

00:33:34.000 The flow of capital from outside foreign countries, like Oh, Rosh is too scared to join the Zoom.

00:33:43.000 Was he invited? 0.97

00:33:45.000 Yeah, I invited him to join the Zoom just because it would be funny. 0.69

00:33:47.000 And then he goes, No, I'm afraid not, with a Nazi in the call.

00:33:52.000 Yeah, I just want to say, I'm willing to talk to anybody.

00:33:57.000 So, anyways, the flow of capital in building a new factory or purchasing government bonds is left out of that number.

00:34:06.000 And in America, we have such a massive capital surplus, meaning companies and individuals around the world invest more money in the U.S. than we do abroad.

00:34:14.000 So, this sort of money coming in could theoretically just literally absolve any sort of trade deficit that we have just because of how big of a capital surplus we have.

00:34:27.000 And to move on to your point, you're looking at it from this fashion where it's just two nations that are trading with each other.

00:34:34.000 Trade deficits happen because of individualistic contracts, right?

00:34:39.000 So, pretty much, it's this idea that both sides of the parties are agreeing to this.

00:34:43.000 Assume through the rationality of the individual in the free market, right?

00:34:47.000 That both sides see in that benefit in this, right?

00:34:49.000 Like the idea that saying, oh, oh, you always have to pay for what you get.

00:34:54.000 Yes, while yes, we have to pay for what we get, we get marginal benefits out of every single good that we purchase because it's the individual rationality of the person.

00:35:03.000 Yeah, if it's free trade, usually it's the individuals making their own decisions based on where they need to put the investment into different industries, right?

00:35:12.000 And then I found it interesting that you brought up, um, Great Britain during industrial times, I'm pretty sure, if I'm not mistaken, Great Britain, 18 something to 1850, they had a ton of protectionist areas.

00:35:23.000 They had corn laws, they had navigation laws, they had stuff like that.

00:35:26.000 And those also affected Ireland.

00:35:28.000 And Ireland was trying to adjust because they couldn't produce, obviously, they couldn't produce potatoes as well anymore, right?

00:35:35.000 Because, you know, they had the potato famine and they're trying to adjust.

00:35:38.000 And because of these protectionist tariffs, they weren't able to adjust their food as much because the navigation laws made it so that it was only British ships that could move around, like, Different foods, and then the corn laws made it so that these seeds and the corn and all of this grain was expensive to bring in.

00:35:56.000 So, I mean, you could argue that because of these protectionist tariffs and the inability for the free market to allocate resources efficiently, people died in the name of it.

00:36:06.000 And then, as soon as you had the repeal of these navigation laws and corn laws, you actually started having the Irish people start eating more again because the United States was able to start sending things over to Ireland.

00:36:17.000 Well, I'll address the first point.

00:36:20.000 Which is to say that, again, when you're talking about rational actors in the economy, you're making a lot of assumptions.

00:36:30.000 And the point I'm trying to get across for most of this discussion is that the free trade argument, it's not necessarily that what free traders are arguing is necessarily wrong.

00:36:42.000 It's just that it's based on a lot of assumptions, which is to say that as a country, we have to make value judgments about what we desire.

00:36:52.000 Simply saying that it's the free market and rational actors are making decisions that are beneficial for themselves.

00:36:58.000 They derive marginal utility.

00:36:59.000 Therefore, everyone wins and every country wins.

00:37:04.000 It's not really rigorous enough.

00:37:06.000 We as a country have to decide what we want to do strategically with our industry and with our country.

00:37:12.000 You know, a business might very well decide to make, for example, a decision to offshore jobs to China or something like that.

00:37:19.000 And that very well might be in the interest of the business.

00:37:22.000 But, you know, again, we're sort of talking about this like fallacy of composition, so to speak, which is to say that what's good for a company and what is a company?

00:37:32.000 A company is, you know, the leader of the company.

00:37:34.000 Maybe that's a CEO or that's an owner or that's a board.

00:37:39.000 And ostensibly, their shareholders, what's good for the firm owners or the people that direct the firm, any particular firm, is not necessarily what's good for the rest of the country.

00:37:51.000 And that's sort of what we're getting at here.

00:37:52.000 Even consumers, what consumers, what firm owners, the decisions that they make, rational as they may be in a narrow economic sense, are these good decisions for the country?

00:38:03.000 Because what we're getting down to fundamentally is that there's a difference between the global market and a nation.

00:38:10.000 The nation state is still relevant.

00:38:11.000 Borders are still relevant.

00:38:13.000 States are still relevant.

00:38:14.000 When you start talking about rational actors and marginal utility and things like that, I mean, that can be applied to an economy, but you're talking now about the world economy.

00:38:25.000 And what is necessary from that conclusion or what's necessary from that thought process is that the benefits that accrue to individual actors in this global economy, the benefits accrue to the global economy, which means that the benefits don't necessarily go to the country.

00:38:42.000 I mean, sure, firms and consumers might make their decisions on a global basis, but the beneficiary of that is not necessarily always America.

00:38:51.000 And that's the problem.

00:38:53.000 You know, if you want to talk about that in the context of like Alabama or Michigan or Maine or California, then, you know, I would probably agree with you.

00:39:01.000 But we're talking about nation states.

00:39:02.000 And so, therefore, you know, decisions that are undertaken in free trade that benefit individual firms or actors, I mean, in a sense, this makes the global economy more efficient, and maybe this benefits.

00:39:14.000 China or it benefits other trading partners, but does it benefit America?

00:39:18.000 And I think, again, if you're looking at what exactly you're trading away for these consumption goods, assets, debt, things like that, currency, it ends up hurting, again, it's the long term horizon for America, the long term prospects for America.

00:39:35.000 I don't want to trade our productive assets, our productive capital for consumption goods.

00:39:42.000 That's not strategically good for America, it's not economically good for America.

00:39:46.000 Eventually, with trade deficits, you'll have to curb your consumption to subsidize those deficits.

00:39:52.000 So, you know, it just gets back to what value judgment do we want to make?

00:39:56.000 I mean, we've got a lot of economic theory to work with.

00:39:58.000 And, you know, the economic theory, we could get into the weeds on that.

00:40:02.000 But, you know, even if you think these things are true, balance of payments is still a reality.

00:40:06.000 You still have to pay for these deficits.

00:40:08.000 Deficits are not just an accounting abstraction.

00:40:11.000 And we have to make choices about these things.

00:40:13.000 So, and then the last part about the Irish potato famine, I'm not well read enough on that to.

00:40:20.000 So, I don't really know the whole history of that.

00:40:24.000 But I think it's worth pointing out that England was the greatest empire in world history and the most powerful empire in world history, really, until they started to embrace free trade.

00:40:35.000 I mean, I think that you can attribute a lot of that to their embrace of free trade and their competitors and their rivals' embrace of protection.

00:40:43.000 You know, in a lot of ways, like Germany, and this is more getting to like foreign policy, but Germany in the world wars was created because Germany was rising.

00:40:51.000 As an industrial power, and their power is rising relatively to Britain, and that's why they challenge Britain for hegemony in Germany.

00:40:57.000 And the same could be said about America, but without the war.

00:41:03.000 So that's what I would say about that.

00:41:04.000 Okay, okay.

00:41:05.000 So, you said multiple things in that.

00:41:07.000 So, it's going to take me some time to explain.

00:41:08.000 Yeah, go for it.

00:41:09.000 The first thing is that the UK example, or Great Britain rather, I'd say it's not really about their embrace of free trade and more the fact that their colonies really didn't like them and started revolting around the 1950s.

00:41:20.000 I wouldn't really say that their embrace of free trade had anything to do with that.

00:41:23.000 I'd really say it was more like the riots and the protests and half their empire trying to get out under the boot of their revolution.

00:41:31.000 So, that's the first point.

00:41:32.000 The second point I'd like to make is, again, when we're looking at trade surpluses, and you haven't addressed this, right?

00:41:38.000 That is only one part of the economic viability of the nation.

00:41:41.000 Because guess what?

00:41:43.000 It's the equivalent of saying, oh, I'm going to a store, right?

00:41:46.000 I go buy from this restaurant, right?

00:41:51.000 And I keep on buying from this restaurant.

00:41:53.000 I have a negative trade surplus with the restaurant, right?

00:41:56.000 A lot of the things that America produces, just like a lot of the things that I do there, are not part of that just one way track mindset, right?

00:41:56.000 But guess what?

00:42:03.000 You're looking at this through like a tunnel, through like, what's the word for it?

00:42:08.000 Like tunnel vision, right?

00:42:09.000 Where you're only looking at like specific productive.

00:42:12.000 Goods that are produced, right?

00:42:13.000 But where is America's strong suit?

00:42:15.000 America's strong suit is in the sectors that aren't as easily quantifiable when it comes to the trade surplus.

00:42:21.000 For example, social networking, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Google, those type of things, or services that aren't easily quantifiable when it comes to the trade goods.

00:42:29.000 That's the first point.

00:42:30.000 Second point is capital investment.

00:42:32.000 You did not address this when I brought this up before, right?

00:42:34.000 But capital investment is so important when it comes to this.

00:42:37.000 I don't even, the numbers when it comes to our difference of capital investment to all other nations across the world is massively, is so massive that It could easily take that over.

00:42:49.000 The third point you brought up is that, oh, we can't bring up theory and we can't assess the rationality of the individual when, regardless of economic belief, the basic premise of economics is that the individual is rational.

00:43:03.000 If the individual wasn't rational, Nick, then guess what?

00:43:05.000 We wouldn't have an economy in the first place because individuals act in the interest to benefit themselves, right?

00:43:12.000 That's not even something that you can debate, that you can say it's a theory because it's obviously not.

00:43:16.000 I mean, if a Keynesian and an Austrian can agree on something, that probably means that that thing is true.

00:43:22.000 Right.

00:43:22.000 And then the other point that I'd like to bring up as well is this idea that you're trying to state, like, you're trying to say, oh, we need to look out for what's best for the nation.

00:43:33.000 Right.

00:43:33.000 And two things.

00:43:34.000 First of all, how can you genuinely say that you can trust the economic decisions of this nation within the hands of individuals or maybe like what, 100 people?

00:43:46.000 Could you trust an economy of no, not 316 million, of 7 billion people, because we're talking about the world economy as a whole.

00:43:56.000 Could you trust that economy in the hands of 100 people or worse, in the hands of one Fed chairman?

00:44:00.000 Of course not, because humans are naturally at fault.

00:44:03.000 This is why the free market allows this to do better, because guess what?

00:44:05.000 The free market is a collective correction.

00:44:07.000 We were touching on this before.

00:44:09.000 This collective correction allows for multiple transactions to pretty much correct themselves over time.

00:44:14.000 While, yes, individually, people will not do what's best for the nation, but guess what?

00:44:19.000 As a collective, they will, because guess what?

00:44:22.000 All of the companies that are based here in the U.S. want to increase profits, all of the people that are here in the U.S. want to increase consumption.

00:44:29.000 And increase their wages, right?

00:44:31.000 So, what this means is that as long as people keep on trying to increase that, the American economy will grow.

00:44:36.000 And that's why you've seen economic growth all the time increase, even though our productive efficiency increases.

00:44:43.000 Another small point that I like to bring up as well is the idea about the labor, right?

00:44:48.000 So, China's labor market, right?

00:44:50.000 China has what, 1 billion people, while the US has 316 million people.

00:44:54.000 Even if we look at that, China has obviously a much larger labor market.

00:44:58.000 So, regardless, and has less regulations on labor laws and minimum wage and et cetera, right?

00:45:03.000 So, regardless of whatever tariffs or et cetera that you put into any sort of car, the tariffs would have to be so incredibly high that they would not work in the first place in order for you to make sure that these companies stay in the United States.

00:45:16.000 So, that's all I've got to say, really.

00:45:21.000 Can I respond first just while it's fresh in my memory?

00:45:24.000 Because otherwise, I'll forget stuff.

00:45:27.000 So, I'm glad you brought up the supermarket analogy.

00:45:30.000 I hear that one all the time.

00:45:32.000 From free traders, and they say things like, Well, you know, you have a trade deficit with your supermarket.

00:45:36.000 And I think that's actually very illustrative of the fallacy of composition that we're committing, comparing like individual consumers and individual firms with a nation.

00:45:48.000 You know, it would be comparable if you were saying that in order to buy your groceries, you were like only using a credit card and you had to pay that back, you know, like decades and centuries into the future.

00:46:00.000 Or if you said that you're going to like mortgage your house, you know, or you're going to refinance your house in order to pay for the groceries.

00:46:06.000 Well, here, I'll buy my groceries in exchange.

00:46:09.000 You can have my bedroom.

00:46:11.000 You can have my lawnmower.

00:46:12.000 You can have my productive capital.

00:46:14.000 So it's not actually a perfect analogy.

00:46:17.000 In terms of foreign direct investment, foreign direct investment, I don't consider that really my issue when it comes to free trade.

00:46:26.000 I think that that's really.

00:46:27.000 I'm talking about tariffs.

00:46:28.000 I'm in favor of tariffs.

00:46:30.000 And so I'm not really talking about foreign direct investment.

00:46:33.000 When it comes to.

00:46:33.000 You said that, well, America has like service jobs or something, and that's.

00:46:39.000 I don't really know how that's relevant.

00:46:42.000 You said something about Facebook and we have different jobs than China or something.

00:46:47.000 And I would say that when it comes to the jobs that are replacing the jobs that we've lost, for example, with NAFTA, we lost something like 750,000 jobs between 1994 and I think 2003 because of NAFTA.

00:47:03.000 I mean, we completely lost those jobs as a result of the NAFTA agreement.

00:47:07.000 And if you look at the jobs that replaced the manufacturing jobs, Largely service jobs, and this is the big problem with free trade they paid less.

00:47:15.000 And this is a big problem with factors of production is that when you look at labor and capital, it doesn't move as freely as financial capital, it doesn't move as freely as currency.

00:47:28.000 So, for example, some free traders will say, Well, you're going to lose jobs and you're going to gain jobs.

00:47:33.000 You might lose manufacturing, but you'll get service jobs.

00:47:36.000 One of the big problems with free trade and why it doesn't often show up in unemployment is because the people or the workers that free trade affects don't always end up unemployed.

00:47:45.000 But they often end up underemployed, which is to say that you may go from earning a pretty high wage on an assembly line or in a manufacturing plant and then end up as some kind of a service worker, like at a McDonald's or as an aide in a school or as something like that, some kind of untrained assistant.

00:48:05.000 And so when you're looking at that job loss, it's often pretty devastating.

00:48:09.000 And also, it doesn't account, you don't typically see that show up in just plain unemployment statistics.

00:48:15.000 It'll show up as underemployment, it'll show up as people that are not really.

00:48:19.000 Reaching their full potential in terms of what capacity they were operating at before.

00:48:23.000 So that's a big problem.

00:48:25.000 And what was the last point that you made?

00:48:27.000 Oh, one more thing.

00:48:29.000 You said before we, because I forgot the last point, one more, because I'm not keeping notes.

00:48:33.000 I thought this was kind of like a casual thing, and I think you're on notes.

00:48:37.000 But you said that I said that actors in the economy aren't rational.

00:48:43.000 I'm not disputing that.

00:48:44.000 I didn't say that economic actors aren't rational and economic theory is bogus.

00:48:49.000 I said that economic theory is legitimate.

00:48:50.000 I said that often.

00:48:52.000 What happens with free traders and free market types is that they don't give the context that is required to interpret the theory.

00:48:59.000 You know, a lot of like, for example, when you're looking at how free traders look at the trade picture, it's sort of a static analysis.

00:49:07.000 They're looking at the facts as they are, it's sort of like a perfect snapshot of the moment.

00:49:12.000 Whereas when you're looking at trade, it's very dynamic.

00:49:15.000 And firms and individual actors are like an example of this that I was using.

00:49:20.000 You know, when you look at like a firm that's going to outsource.

00:49:23.000 Jobs to another country.

00:49:24.000 I didn't say that they're not rational actors.

00:49:26.000 I said that we have to consider the nation state and not just individual actors because I'm not concerned about the global economy.

00:49:34.000 I'm concerned about the United States and the United States economy and U.S. consumers and workers and firm owners.

00:49:41.000 I'm not concerned about if the global economy is efficient.

00:49:45.000 I'm not even concerned about other countries' economies.

00:49:47.000 I'm concerned about the economy that exists within these borders.

00:49:50.000 In order for that to be a meaningful distinction, the state has to impose.

00:49:56.000 Restrictions and regulations based on those borderlines.

00:49:59.000 You really don't have a country if goods and capital and labor and technology and all of that is moving between these borders.

00:50:07.000 Then you have a global economy.

00:50:09.000 And like I said earlier, when you have a global economy, then the benefits don't always accrue to your nation.

00:50:15.000 I want to make our nation as wealthy and as powerful and as good of a strategic position as possible.

00:50:21.000 And that simply cannot be done when, for example, in a perfect free trade economy, we would expect that Americans would relocate to China with their capital.

00:50:31.000 And over there in order to do some of these jobs.

00:50:34.000 I mean, in a perfect free market, or perfect free trade situation, you would have people getting up from America and constantly flying all over to different countries in pursuit of jobs.

00:50:45.000 And of course, borders matter because people can't do that.

00:50:48.000 So we have to impose the same regulations on our other factors of production, which is our capital, our land.

00:50:55.000 Obviously, our land's not going anywhere, but our land, our entrepreneurship, which comes in the form of technology and patents.

00:51:02.000 You said that we do so much trade with China that it would be not feasible to regulate it, but that's just simply not true.

00:51:07.000 There are all kinds of restrictions and regulations we could put in place, not just tariffs, but other non tariff trade barriers.

00:51:14.000 For example, we could say that our companies can't use their manufacturing know how to teach Chinese people how to make factories. 0.82

00:51:22.000 We can't have our technology sold off to China. 0.82

00:51:25.000 One of the prerequisites to get access to Chinese markets with a lot of firms is that they will give over their tech.

00:51:33.000 To China, one of the terms often is that they'll have to train the people in China to do the work in their factories.

00:51:40.000 And that expertise and know how is very critical because one of the ways that a country develops, how an economy grows, is that these industries that are, like you said, I think earlier, very critical and important, we can agree, things like computers and things like artificial intelligence and so on, a lot of that know how is necessary to then research and develop that technology further.

00:52:04.000 When we lose a factory, we're not just losing jobs, we're also losing the fact that all the people in the factory that have those skills and have that know how are now in another country.

00:52:15.000 And who do you think it's going to be that's going to have the know how and the expertise to further develop the technology and then build the technologies and the new things of the future?

00:52:23.000 It's those people.

00:52:24.000 So, you know, it's really not just that we're losing jobs sometimes or we're losing companies or we're losing things, but we're also, it's properly said, it's de industrialization.

00:52:36.000 We're really just completely losing our momentum and actually regressing.

00:52:39.000 We don't know how to build the same things.

00:52:41.000 We're not on the cutting edge.

00:52:42.000 And, you know, that only exacerbates then the advantage that other countries will have in these important industries over us.

00:52:49.000 So, we are perfectly capable of doing that.

00:52:52.000 And Trump has done just that.

00:52:53.000 Look at the tariffs against China or Mexico or the European Union or Canada.

00:52:57.000 We could bring countries to their knees with tariffs, and it doesn't take much.

00:53:02.000 Wait, if we could bring countries to their knees with tariffs like China, when China put tariffs on us, wouldn't that have also put us to our knees?

00:53:02.000 Okay.

00:53:09.000 No, no, because China.

00:53:11.000 Why is it a one way kind of thing?

00:53:13.000 Because we have a trade deficit with them. 0.63

00:53:15.000 It means that China is being, in other words, it's basically like a parasitic relationship. 0.93

00:53:21.000 China.

00:53:22.000 Is being enriched by these trade policies. 0.99

00:53:25.000 You know, before the World Trade Organization and before we opened up our markets to China, I mean, China was a total shithole third world country. 0.99

00:53:32.000 And in a lot of ways, they still are. 0.99

00:53:34.000 But, you know, you could see that they've made leaps and bounds off of our backs and it's been predatory.

00:53:42.000 But wouldn't the trade deficit mean that actually we get most of our bids from China?

00:53:46.000 That's a different point.

00:53:47.000 I'd like to just go into a couple things.

00:53:49.000 So, first of all, you said NAFTA job loss, right?

00:53:51.000 So you said 750,000 jobs from NAFTA.

00:53:53.000 That's just such a one way just looking at the One specific aspect of the economy, look into NAFTA.

00:53:59.000 NAFTA also increased our global trade by four, I mean, rather global trade, increased like trade by four times the amount.

00:54:06.000 We almost saw a $1.23 trillion increase in trade yearly, right?

00:54:13.000 Do you know what $1.23 trillion extra dollars in the market means?

00:54:16.000 That extra liquidity in the market creates more jobs as you need more people to service, for example, the extra truck drivers that come from Mexico up into the United States, or the truck drivers that came from Canada into the United States.

00:54:28.000 Or the extra goods that are bought.

00:54:30.000 Because all this stuff, liquidity in the market is probably one of the greatest things to increase market returns, right?

00:54:36.000 Another thing is your foreign direct investment.

00:54:39.000 You said something long ago and stuff like, you don't understand my point on that.

00:54:45.000 Rather, you said it doesn't matter, right?

00:54:48.000 You said you're not focusing on it.

00:54:49.000 You don't have an issue with foreign direct investments.

00:54:52.000 You can't be for free trade and then be against foreign direct investments.

00:54:55.000 Free trade, I mean, Did I say that for free?

00:54:59.000 You can't be against free trade and be for foreign direct investments because these sort of protectionist tariffs lead to the decrease of foreign direct investments, especially decrease of capital surplus back into this country.

00:55:10.000 Another thing is, when I brought up that we specialize in services, you said, if I'm not mistaken, you said like you don't understand what that brings to the discussion.

00:55:18.000 What I'm saying is that even in the numbers that you're citing in this quote unquote trade surplus, it's not showing you the bigger picture because guess what?

00:55:25.000 Most of the stuff that we send over to China is, as you said, Nick, know how, knowledge, information.

00:55:32.000 Social media, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, all these different types of things that don't actually have an economic dollar value tied to them per se and don't get factored in into our trade surplus or trade deficit or regardless.

00:55:43.000 So, in reality, the number is just much smaller than it's made out to be because all you're looking at, Nick, is production.

00:55:50.000 And regardless, when we look at production and when we look at just pure, like, just factory goods, just producing factory goods, of course, China's going to produce more than us.

00:56:01.000 What else?

00:56:01.000 You said something along the lines of like, when I said that we can't stop free trade with China, you said, You can do things that aren't tariffs.

00:56:07.000 You can block know how.

00:56:08.000 You can block knowledge.

00:56:09.000 But for that to happen, we'd have to have a monopoly on how to make a factory, which we obviously do not.

00:56:14.000 Right.

00:56:14.000 And even if we do agree, even if we say that for some reason we have the monopoly on how to make a basic factory, you know, even though like the second industrial revolution happened like what, 100 something years ago, like they already have the knowledge right now at this point in time from what you said.

00:56:29.000 So even that wouldn't work.

00:56:31.000 So in reality, when you talk protectionist tariffs, first of all, they're not even necessary in the first place.

00:56:36.000 And I've proven that to you.

00:56:37.000 Second of all, They wouldn't work in the first place.

00:56:40.000 Not proven that to you.

00:56:41.000 Third of all, they actually only hurt our economy more than they would help us because they decrease foreign direct investment while at the same time creating deadweight loss, which you haven't been able to tell me anything about, right?

00:56:51.000 About why deadweight loss doesn't happen.

00:56:53.000 So, well, you're not really engaging with what I'm saying.

00:56:57.000 I mean, I'm not saying that we're going to prevent China from building factories.

00:57:01.000 I mean, you know, I'm not talking about like, of course, factories have been around for hundreds of years.

00:57:07.000 I'm talking about like, when you're talking about These industries, which are very sophisticated industries, very developed industries, when you're talking about technology in particular, I'll give you an example.

00:57:20.000 For a long time, Apple basically outsourced the production of chips that they use in their phones to other suppliers, like Intel and a few other companies, and also some companies in China.

00:57:36.000 Because they were outsourcing that part of their phone, the production of it to other companies, Companies in China were learning about Apple's proprietary hardware and their software because they were producing those chips for Apple.

00:57:50.000 Recently, Apple is now developing their own proprietary chips.

00:57:54.000 They've made a lot of money.

00:57:55.000 Now they can invest in this.

00:57:56.000 And so they're making their own proprietary chips in house.

00:58:00.000 And now they're able to customize it better and it's more efficient.

00:58:03.000 And I'm not a tech guy, but there's a lot of benefits to this.

00:58:07.000 As a consequence, now companies like Huawei, which is a phone company in China, They are not going to benefit from a lot of the hardware and software know how that they get from that business making chips for Apple for their iPhones.

00:58:20.000 And that's a perfect example.

00:58:22.000 You know, it's not just about like.

00:58:24.000 I'm not saying like China wouldn't know how to build a factory if it weren't for us, obviously.

00:58:28.000 I'm talking about in these very sophisticated sectors of the economy where it's niche and it relies on specialists and experts.

00:58:38.000 When you're talking about some of these factories, you're talking about training workers, you're talking about training.

00:58:43.000 And bringing in a lot of human capital, a lot of talent.

00:58:47.000 And when you're moving that entire process to another country, then they gain the upper hand and they gain the advantage on producing the next iteration of that.

00:58:54.000 You know, Japan is a perfect example of this.

00:58:56.000 You know, America was not able to capitalize on the production of consumer electronics in the same way as Japan was. 0.81

00:59:04.000 We totally fell off on things like VHS and on camcorders and all kinds of things like that. 0.80

00:59:09.000 That's why a lot of our televisions and other consumer electronics are made in another country. 0.99

00:59:14.000 And that's a business.

00:59:15.000 It'll be very lucrative for America to have.

00:59:17.000 And the other thing is just because China can produce more than us, it's kind of getting away from the point.

00:59:22.000 I mean, China has like a billion people, but the question is about efficiency.

00:59:26.000 And the other question is about who's going to do the producing, who's going to get the jobs, and who's going to be able to sell that technology.

00:59:33.000 And America should be producing those things.

00:59:35.000 If America can produce things, America should produce it.

00:59:38.000 And the point I made earlier about the 1970s is that trade is really negligible.

00:59:44.000 The point I made about the 1970s, you said, oh, well, you're going to have to show me a causal factor.

00:59:50.000 The point I made about the 70s when I said that 5% of our GDP was trade was to say that it's not like we were a poor country.

00:59:58.000 It's to say that even when trade was a minuscule part of the economy, and we hardly relied on countries for anything necessary, we had everything that we needed.

01:00:08.000 We had virtually everything that we have today, with some obvious exceptions new technology, new developments, almost all of which have been developed in America.

01:00:17.000 But the point was to say that the trade is really.

01:00:20.000 The icing on the top, as opposed to like a foundational pillar for the economy, it's really just sort of like you know, like you said, avocados.

01:00:28.000 It's things that, if we must, we can get, you know, luxury goods and things that have to be produced in a certain tropical climate or, you know, things like guano or oil or, you know, whatever.

01:00:37.000 Things that we just simply cannot produce here, we can get from somewhere else.

01:00:40.000 But there's really no good reason that so much of our economy has to be tied up in trade.

01:00:45.000 And you said, like, well, NAFTA losing three quarters of a million jobs is no big deal because the volume of trade increased.

01:00:52.000 And it's like, you know, jobs actually matter because producers and workers, Or rather, producers and consumers are the same people.

01:01:01.000 Producers and consumers are the same people.

01:01:04.000 I agree.

01:01:06.000 Okay, so one at a time, what's the.

01:01:09.000 I didn't finish my point, but does someone have an interjection that was like.

01:01:13.000 Sorry, if you want to continue your point, if you want, but I believe the way that you're describing jobs as such a high necessity and so hard to create is an incredible overstatement.

01:01:24.000 We've seen our government be able to produce jobs for its citizens several times over in the past.

01:01:31.000 Jobs are very easy to create.

01:01:33.000 And to suggest that the NAFTA agreements that led to three quarters of a million people losing their job is due to tariffs is kind of a false causation.

01:01:44.000 It's most likely to do to other barriers of entry and probably not tariffs.

01:01:49.000 Tariffs, if anything, create cyclical employment, which is above the natural rate of employment and is much harder to recover from than either frictional or structural unemployment.

01:02:01.000 So, none of what you just said is even remotely relevant to what I'm saying.

01:02:05.000 And, you know, this is the problem.

01:02:08.000 It's like arguing with, I don't even know.

01:02:11.000 This is the problem that the economic literature on this is just so decidedly wrong that, I mean, you can't even grapple with these practical considerations that I'm talking about here.

01:02:22.000 I'm telling you about Americans that are losing employment.

01:02:25.000 I'm talking about Americans and America losing industries that are critical in the industries of the future.

01:02:32.000 We're losing our technology, we're losing our human capital.

01:02:36.000 We're losing our productive capital.

01:02:38.000 We're losing our factors of production.

01:02:41.000 And I keep hearing back, okay, well, what about deadweight loss?

01:02:45.000 Okay, well, what about structural unemployment?

01:02:47.000 And it's like, what I'm talking about is practical effects in the economy.

01:02:51.000 I'm talking about practical effects.

01:02:53.000 And, you know, again, the answer to my point about, and by the way, this is a government study that says that on net, not gross, on net, NAFTA cost us three quarters of a million jobs.

01:03:05.000 Okay, and that was in.

01:03:07.000 Less than 10 years.

01:03:08.000 And the answer to that is well, the volume of trade increased.

01:03:11.000 Well, I mean, who do you think are the consumers?

01:03:14.000 It's the people that are working these jobs.

01:03:16.000 You know, imagine you lose your job, you lose your good manufacturing job to Mexico, and it went right over the border in, for example, like automotive industry and in a lot of other sectors.

01:03:27.000 But people are going to say, well, you're going to pay like a dime less for a can of beef.

01:03:30.000 Nick, you're misunderstanding my point here, though.

01:03:32.000 You're misunderstanding my point.

01:03:33.000 I think the opposite is happening.

01:03:36.000 No, no, no.

01:03:36.000 The point is that you're losing 50,000 jobs.

01:03:40.000 The point here is that.

01:03:41.000 Yes, would you lose 750,000 jobs, but you make a lot more jobs?

01:03:45.000 Like, for example, that's I said it's on net.

01:03:46.000 Do you know what net means versus growth?

01:03:48.000 No, no, no, no.

01:03:49.000 What I'm saying is, how could they measure that net?

01:03:50.000 Because if I'm not mistaken, doesn't it, hasn't the unemployment rate and the number of jobs been decently positive even during the times of NAFTA?

01:03:56.000 Like, how are they measuring this on net?

01:03:58.000 Well, NAFTA is not the only thing that's happening in the economy.

01:04:01.000 So, well, exactly.

01:04:02.000 So I'm just wondering how they're measuring this on net.

01:04:04.000 How are they measuring exactly how it's.

01:04:07.000 Well, because when it comes to creating jobs in terms of consumer like surplus, right?

01:04:11.000 And if we talk about like Deadweight loss, let's say.

01:04:13.000 If you're taking away from the consumer and purchasing power, and it's interesting that you bring up regress and progress.

01:04:18.000 If we're trying to progress in terms of investment, then you would want the consumer to have the power in order to buy things from not just these current industries that you're listing out, but future industries, being able to invest and save.

01:04:29.000 And these go into like capital investments and such.

01:04:33.000 So when you talk like, I don't know how they're measuring this on net in terms of capital investments and investments into different jobs, into different industries that were created in net from that.

01:04:44.000 If we export jobs and it increases the amount of power that the consumer has, how are they measuring what these consumers are spending their money on in creating industries and jobs in those industries?

01:04:55.000 I think they're just looking at jobs.

01:04:56.000 They're looking at jobs that are being lost as a result of the trade agreement and all the industries and sectors covered in the trade agreement.

01:05:05.000 And you can measure the jobs that are gained.

01:05:07.000 And NAFTA, and by the way, this is universally recognized that NAFTA did lead to a net loss in employment.

01:05:15.000 What you guys are telling me essentially, and this gets back to the fundamental point, whereas we're talking about, or the tariff position, the protectionist position is talking about industry.

01:05:26.000 It's talking about investment.

01:05:27.000 It's talking about technology, our strategic posture in the long term.

01:05:31.000 The free trade answer to all of this is that free trade is just sort of like this panacea.

01:05:37.000 It's that, like I said earlier, everywhere, all the time, in every instance, free trade never will make us worse off.

01:05:45.000 And this is just simply not true because we can examine, there are many instances of it.

01:05:50.000 There are many instances, like NAFTA is a perfect example, where you can see the tangible loss.

01:05:56.000 Like I said with the chips in the iPhones, there's a tangible loss, and we're losing to other competitors in these countries.

01:06:06.000 And most of what you just said, I mean, I don't even know how that's even relevant.

01:06:10.000 He just threw a lot of economic terms together, but none of that has really any bearing on what I'm talking about, which is job loss.

01:06:15.000 And you could say that.

01:06:16.000 Well, you know, consumers are, you'd say consumers are, you know, getting better prices or something.

01:06:22.000 Maybe that's what you're getting at.

01:06:23.000 But if they're losing their jobs, if they're losing their jobs, then that's the bigger concern.

01:06:28.000 And the idea that government's just going to simply make more jobs, you know, I thought you guys were free market.

01:06:33.000 Government can't create jobs.

01:06:34.000 Government doesn't have any money.

01:06:36.000 Government earns their money by taking productive capital out of the economy through taxes.

01:06:41.000 So it's not the same kind of job.

01:06:44.000 So when the consumer has better prices, they have more money, correct?

01:06:48.000 Yes.

01:06:49.000 Okay, and they can go spend it on different industries to create demand elsewhere, which has to be met by supply.

01:06:55.000 I don't think that's necessarily true because I think that the gain that consumers get is so marginal and negligible that it doesn't even begin, it doesn't even approach offsetting the job loss.

01:07:07.000 When you're talking about hundreds of thousands or millions of job loss, you know, look at, for example, like the trade war that we've been in with China for the past couple of years.

01:07:15.000 We've put serious tariffs on China and, you know, serious tariffs on steel and other industries.

01:07:22.000 Was there any noticeable increase in the cost of goods?

01:07:25.000 As far as I know, the consumer price index didn't go up considerably at all.

01:07:30.000 Okay, well, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, one point, one point.

01:07:30.000 That's not true.

01:07:33.000 I looked up the 750,000 number that you brought up, by the way.

01:07:35.000 And the study, by the way, is done by the Economic Policy Institute.

01:07:40.000 And I think you might have misread the data because it says direct net job loss, right?

01:07:44.000 And actually, if you look at it, trade, most of the jobs that we get from trade are indirect.

01:07:49.000 So either A, the study is flawed and tried to just push an agenda for no reason because.

01:07:54.000 Because of its flawed methodology, because I haven't seen a single study to date that has ever tried to look at trade and looked at it without looking at indirect benefits.

01:08:02.000 When you actually look at indirect benefits, right?

01:08:04.000 We created 5 million jobs in the total time.

01:08:07.000 We created about, if I'm not mistaken, between 1993 and 1997, 800,000 jobs.

01:08:12.000 It generated 40,000 jobs.

01:08:13.000 Yeah, that's because the internet was invented.

01:08:15.000 But NAFTA, how could you measure the effects as anything other than direct?

01:08:21.000 You're going to attribute.

01:08:23.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:08:26.000 You're trying to attribute the economic growth of the 1990s.

01:08:30.000 You're trying to attribute the economic growth of the 1990s to the.

01:08:35.000 I don't even know why.

01:08:36.000 Consumers investing more money because they saved the money.

01:08:40.000 That's what indirect job growth is.

01:08:41.000 That's what I was trying to get at.

01:08:43.000 You've misunderstood me here.

01:08:45.000 You've misunderstood me here, right?

01:08:48.000 Again, when I'm citing this data, this study, right, looks specifically at only what NAFTA could have affected, right?

01:08:55.000 Or what NAFTA affected 5 million jobs.

01:08:57.000 Again, your study, the 750,000 number that you're bringing up here, is flawed at heart because it's only looking at direct trade.

01:09:04.000 Again, as I've said, especially when you see a country like the United States, most of our benefits actually come indirectly.

01:09:09.000 I've never seen an economic study or any sort of economic journal.

01:09:12.000 What are the indirect benefits?

01:09:14.000 Show me the study that shows the indirect benefits of NAFTA.

01:09:18.000 Well, MJ is saying that he can't.

01:09:21.000 Well, I mean, I showed you what the indirect benefits would be.

01:09:25.000 And I think you.

01:09:25.000 No, no, you can't.

01:09:27.000 Well, you kind of illustrated the point for us.

01:09:31.000 Wait, but you illustrated the point for us.

01:09:32.000 There were new industries that were created at the time, right?

01:09:35.000 The internet.

01:09:36.000 This industry had to be invested in by the consumer.

01:09:38.000 And the consumer was saving money in order to invest in it.

01:09:42.000 I mean, that's what indirect job growth is. 0.94

01:09:44.000 This is the most ridiculous argument about that. 0.86

01:09:47.000 There's another. 0.96

01:09:47.000 There's another point of investment that really matters, by the way. 0.96

01:09:50.000 And this is another really cool thing because guess what happened?

01:09:53.000 When we look at foreign direct investment, something that you said yourself you like, right?

01:09:58.000 And I think anybody with a brain likes foreign direct investment, right?

01:10:01.000 Guess what happened when we actually enacted NAFTA?

01:10:03.000 Foreign direct investment from Canada and Mexico more than tripled to $500.9 billion, right?

01:10:09.000 What this means is that as we increase free trade, we get more benefits in foreign investment, more jobs in indirect jobs.

01:10:16.000 And honestly, like, whoa, where do you get the job?

01:10:19.000 Where do you get that from?

01:10:21.000 You're saying that you're attributing the job growth in the entire country to NAFTA by saying that it's indirect.

01:10:28.000 I'm not attributing anything, Nick.

01:10:30.000 The U.S. Chamber of Commerce in 2015 is the one that's attributing this, Nick.

01:10:33.000 And by the way, they look into this.

01:10:34.000 In what time period?

01:10:36.000 Would you like a source?

01:10:37.000 I'd be more than happy to give you a source.

01:10:39.000 Well, we'll tell you.

01:10:40.000 I mean, here's the problem you're going to like imright.com, but you don't even know what you're talking about.

01:10:44.000 You don't know the time period.

01:10:45.000 No, You don't know the indirect benefits.

01:10:49.000 I'm going to the website for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

01:10:52.000 Called, which is a 19 page document which specifically outlines.

01:10:55.000 Oh, you just read the 19 page document?

01:10:58.000 No, I took the quotations from it.

01:11:00.000 Oh, right.

01:11:01.000 Gotcha.

01:11:01.000 But here's the understanding Nick, Nick, Nick, you weren't able to tell me the methodology for your 750,000 job thing until I.

01:11:07.000 Well, I didn't just look mine up in the course of this debate.

01:11:09.000 That's a different.

01:11:10.000 Until I have to look it up myself and then figure out that the methodology was flawed.

01:11:13.000 When we actually, I'll explain to you the methodology if you'd love to.

01:11:15.000 I'd be more than happy to, right?

01:11:17.000 Like, for example, right?

01:11:18.000 When they look at this trade, right?

01:11:20.000 They're looking specifically at markets that would have been affected by this sort of job.

01:11:24.000 They're not looking at the internet as you presume.

01:11:26.000 They're looking at, for example, trucking or consumer spending in groceries, especially when we're looking at Mexico, because Mexico is one of our biggest exporters of groceries, right?

01:11:33.000 So, again, this is a 19 page document from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

01:11:37.000 And if you'd like, I'd be more than happy to link every single one of my sources to you, right?

01:11:41.000 Yeah, well, you're going to have to give me some time to read the 19 page document.

01:11:45.000 All right, Nick, Nick, I want to go over something that you said earlier.

01:11:45.000 Okay.

01:11:49.000 So, you said that the consumer price index hadn't really gone up, as you could, so far as you could tell.

01:11:55.000 And I mean, while that's technically true, the average American household is spending, I think it was between $32 and $57 more every month.

01:11:55.000 Yeah.

01:12:04.000 And a lot of this has correlation and didn't actually start until the tariff increases.

01:12:12.000 Not only that, but what were you saying?

01:12:13.000 I'm not going to touch about what you were saying towards the beginning of the debate about, like, I think it was time preference.

01:12:18.000 You said something about now versus later.

01:12:23.000 But I do want to bring up, okay, I guess I will kind of touch on that.

01:12:29.000 So, what these tariffs do is they do, in some way, They encourage present consumption as opposed to future consumption.

01:12:39.000 One way of doing this is against American steel and, or not American steel, Chinese steel produced by American companies and farming equipment and capital equipment produced by American companies in China.

01:12:52.000 What this does is we can't import this and use it to hire Americans and create jobs and create growth, long term growth, not this short consumption growth, jobs and like actual capital equipment.

01:13:07.000 Yeah, that's all I got.

01:13:09.000 Wait, wait, wait, say that again.

01:13:11.000 You said that, why?

01:13:13.000 Because we can't import steel, we make our own steel.

01:13:17.000 It's harder for us to import steel, and it's harder for us to, you know.

01:13:20.000 Yeah, that's the point, though, is then we make our own steel.

01:13:23.000 That's the point.

01:13:24.000 Because what that does is that increases the cost of production for these American companies producing in America.

01:13:24.000 We make our own steel.

01:13:29.000 Good, good.

01:13:30.000 Yeah, it should.

01:13:31.000 It's not good because they can't hire as many people, and they can't.

01:13:33.000 What do you think the costs are?

01:13:35.000 If they're producing more, then they're hiring more people.

01:13:38.000 That's the entire point.

01:13:40.000 They're not producing less because those are labor costs.

01:13:44.000 They're producing less because it costs more.

01:13:47.000 The steel costs.

01:13:48.000 They don't hire more people.

01:13:49.000 They need to make more steel.

01:13:50.000 They don't hire more people.

01:13:52.000 No, they don't hire more people because they have to pay more for steel.

01:13:55.000 Actually, we lost people.

01:13:56.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:13:57.000 Okay, I got unmuted for the first time.

01:14:00.000 And here's an important point that I think a lot of people miss.

01:14:04.000 So if people aren't familiar, a lot of people in this chat aren't familiar with this.

01:14:09.000 But Jeff Bezos was, there was a leaked document.

01:14:12.000 Among Amazon, that came out via Breitbart.

01:14:16.000 Not the biggest Breitbart fan, but Breitbart did leak this leaked audio.

01:14:22.000 Bezos came out and said that it benefits people basically not grouping up based on unions.

01:14:34.000 If they have diversity in their company, Bezos profits from diversity in his company.

01:14:42.000 Non unification.

01:14:45.000 Is basically a non diversity tool.

01:14:48.000 So if you have more diversity in your company, you're not going to unionize.

01:14:54.000 It's factual.

01:14:55.000 Any company that is very strong in diversity will not unionize.

01:14:59.000 So that really gets into the diversity and the immigration argument.

01:15:03.000 So, like, if you diversify your company, immigration, immigration.

01:15:09.000 I mean, it's true. 1.00

01:15:10.000 You know, the more diverse your company is, the less likely it is to unionize. 1.00

01:15:15.000 It's factual, man. 0.82

01:15:16.000 I'm not going to, yeah, I'm not.

01:15:18.000 Going to contend it because I don't see the factual.

01:15:22.000 Let's talk about the book on tariffs.

01:15:24.000 Bezos said the biggest insurance policy he had against unionization at Amazon was the fact that his company was diverse.

01:15:32.000 I don't understand the impact on this on tariffs, though.

01:15:35.000 Yeah, Avengers Endgame was a pretty popular movie.

01:15:37.000 I don't see the relevancy of the debate.

01:15:40.000 Like, oh, I really like oranges.

01:15:42.000 Does that really matter?

01:15:43.000 Work conditions?

01:15:44.000 Work conditions don't matter to you?

01:15:47.000 No.

01:15:47.000 Work conditions?

01:15:48.000 Those don't matter.

01:15:49.000 Well, no, but we're specifically talking about worker tariffs.

01:15:53.000 You can't just bring up something that's relative to the economy to try to shift the discussion.

01:15:57.000 But again, Nick, I still want to hear a breakdown of the point.

01:16:00.000 The conditions absolutely matter.

01:16:02.000 Okay.

01:16:03.000 I still want to hear a point on the foreign direct investment differentiation.

01:16:07.000 Why is it bad that free trade happens when I've shown to you we get more jobs?

01:16:11.000 From NAFTA, we got more jobs.

01:16:13.000 From NAFTA, we got more foreign direct investment.

01:16:15.000 We didn't get more jobs.

01:16:16.000 You can't just say, oh, I proved that.

01:16:18.000 I mean, it's just not true.

01:16:20.000 We lost jobs because of NAFTA.

01:16:22.000 Oh, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick.

01:16:22.000 That is a fact.

01:16:23.000 And, you know, you could say, you're trying to say that because.

01:16:27.000 Your source was disproved.

01:16:28.000 Your source was disproved.

01:16:30.000 I disproved your source.

01:16:31.000 And look, look, here's the thing.

01:16:34.000 The reason that we will always lose on jobs against these countries is because when it comes to labor, they have the comparative advantage.

01:16:43.000 So when you're looking at China, when you're looking at Mexico, when you're looking at India, this is one of the laws of international relations, actually. 0.76

01:16:50.000 When you're looking at the factors of production, you're just always going to lose when you're competing with a country like that when it comes to labor. 0.75

01:16:57.000 And, you know, there's no magical rule, by the way, that says that. 0.63

01:17:01.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:17:02.000 Hey, can I finish my point?

01:17:03.000 There's already like five people arguing with me, and they're like, I'm playing Civ and people are like, well, I just looked up the study.

01:17:10.000 But the point is this there's no magical rule that says that you're going to get as many jobs back as you give up.

01:17:19.000 And actually, it's proven that the opposite is true.

01:17:22.000 And it's true and it makes sense because the jobs that we're now taking, the jobs that have replaced the manufacturing jobs, a lot of them are highly technical and highly specialized.

01:17:31.000 And I talked about this earlier.

01:17:32.000 I didn't get to flesh this out, but it's a perfect example, like with the factory jobs where You might be making one wage and now you're working a much lesser wage because you're working in a restaurant or something like that.

01:17:43.000 But on top of that, the new jobs that are replacing the old jobs are fewer in number and they require specialized education.

01:17:50.000 So, you know, they'll often require a degree or some kind of training, whereas a factory job is a lot simpler.

01:17:55.000 And, you know, that's a big problem with free trade as well.

01:17:58.000 So, and what incentivizing people from other countries to come in here for less money for the benefit of corporations?

01:18:06.000 Like, it's not benefiting anyone.

01:18:08.000 In the middle class.

01:18:10.000 Fundamentally, it's a redistribution of wealth from American workers to the firm owners and to foreign countries.

01:18:19.000 I mean, that's what it amounts to.

01:18:20.000 That's what free trade is.

01:18:23.000 They privatize the gains and socialize the losses.

01:18:26.000 That's basically the script of the 20th century.

01:18:29.000 And I think, what's your name, TikTok Political MJ?

01:18:34.000 I think you basically agree with that.

01:18:35.000 You agree that crony capitalism is wrong, but you're over here arguing against Nick.

01:18:40.000 Saying, like Nick is arguing against crony capitalism.

01:18:43.000 Because I support real solutions.

01:18:45.000 We have a real solution.

01:18:47.000 I mean, the argument here, look, look, look, the argument here boils down to whether or not tariffs are A, feasible, B, necessary, C, do they give us benefits or losses, right?

01:18:58.000 So, first of all, the feasibility of tariffs, right?

01:19:00.000 I'd argue they're not feasible because, again, regardless of how much tariffs you implement, you won't be able to counter what you said so yourself the comparative advantage of labor that these companies have over us.

01:19:12.000 Like, this is clearly a question.

01:19:14.000 Like, okay, not just in labor, but in technology and resources, regardless, right?

01:19:19.000 Like, I disagree about that.

01:19:20.000 I mean, that's very different.

01:19:21.000 We're talking about entrepreneurship.

01:19:23.000 Okay, well, there's no, we don't need to give them our expertise.

01:19:26.000 We don't need to give them our entrepreneurship.

01:19:27.000 They already have our expertise, man.

01:19:29.000 But, but, but, but, we don't need, it's not like that.

01:19:34.000 We are.

01:19:34.000 America is smarter than China.

01:19:37.000 Oh, okay, cool. 0.50

01:19:38.000 Do you know there's other countries in the world?

01:19:39.000 Germany.

01:19:40.000 We're smarter than every country in the world.

01:19:42.000 Oh, what?

01:19:43.000 Wait.

01:19:45.000 I thought, listen, listen, I don't want to get into it, I don't want to bring back up.

01:19:49.000 This IQ race disparity, but doesn't this go against your IQ race disparity point, Nick?

01:19:54.000 What I'm saying is that America is the smartest country in the world.

01:19:57.000 That's why we landed on the moon.

01:19:58.000 That's why we invented the internet.

01:20:00.000 That's why we invented everything.

01:20:01.000 And, you know, the thing is, is that if it weren't for American entrepreneurship, China wouldn't have anything.

01:20:09.000 And that's the bottom line, is what I'm getting at.

01:20:10.000 I don't disagree with you here, but I'm just saying that other nations can provide the same expertise that we're talking about.

01:20:16.000 We're not talking about landing on the moon, Nick.

01:20:19.000 We're talking about inventing a slightly better computer chip.

01:20:21.000 Oh, it's in and out.

01:20:22.000 The i9 versus the i7, right?

01:20:24.000 But that's a different point, right?

01:20:25.000 So, first of all, feasibility, right?

01:20:27.000 So, you have to prove to me why these are feasible.

01:20:29.000 I've shown you why they aren't feasible.

01:20:31.000 The second point, which I brought up, was.

01:20:34.000 Was comparative, was are they necessary, right?

01:20:38.000 I told you how this is only a one track mindset.

01:20:41.000 When we look at an economic circumstance, we have to look at five tracks.

01:20:45.000 We have to look at every single thing.

01:20:46.000 We have to look at the decrease in capital goods that will happen because of this, which will actually contribute to trade deals.

01:20:51.000 We have to look at why that trade deficit number doesn't exactly make sense and doesn't necessarily factor in everything that needs to be factored in.

01:20:57.000 Like, for example, most of the goods that we give to China are actually goods that really wouldn't be factored in in any sort of like trade deficit.

01:21:03.000 Trade deficits only look at genuine goods that are feasible and can be interchanged.

01:21:08.000 Right, which a lot of the goods that we actually give them, like expertise, cannot be feasibly given like a dollar value, right?

01:21:14.000 And the third thing is net benefits versus net loss.

01:21:16.000 We can look at NAFTA to this NAFTA, five million jobs, right, that created indirectly through NAFTA's uh, through the increase in trade, right?

01:21:25.000 And even if I agree, by the way, that you say, oh, specialization, oh, most of the jobs that we actually got back were specialized, yeah, but guess what?

01:21:32.000 Specialized job owners actually generate more income, more income means more consumer spending, more consumer spending means more money circulating in the market, more money circulating in the market means more jobs.

01:21:41.000 So, regardless, it's Regardless, even if I accept you at your highest premise, you still fail to prove the point, right?

01:21:47.000 The second point of NAFTA is foreign direct investment, something that you didn't mention.

01:21:51.000 We increased our foreign direct investment in this nation by $500 billion.

01:21:54.000 That means more money for American companies, more money for American workers, more money for American jobs to be created.

01:22:00.000 So, regardless, yeah, more money for stock buybacks.

01:22:04.000 $500 billion?

01:22:05.000 No, because, okay, then I don't think foreign direct investments don't go into stock buybacks.

01:22:10.000 Foreign direct investments go into creation of like factories, creation of like For example, innovation, research and development, et cetera.

01:22:16.000 Right.

01:22:18.000 And then I'll add a fourth point, right, which is efficiency.

01:22:22.000 Right.

01:22:22.000 Nick, we haven't touched on this a lot, but I did bring it up slightly.

01:22:27.000 Tell me again how 200 people can manage a market of 316 million.

01:22:32.000 Actually, no. 0.53

01:22:33.000 After Nick has his rebuttal, I say we move into something like immigration because we're kind of like.

01:22:39.000 So, after 200, so tell me how 200 people, tell me how 200 people, or Really, if we're going to be honest, one or two people, right, can manage a marketplace of about 316 million people, if not more, 7 billion people, because we're looking at global trade.

01:22:54.000 And tell me why the free market doesn't do that better, considering it's a collective correction.

01:23:01.000 He read Hayek.

01:23:01.000 Wow.

01:23:02.000 He read Hayek.

01:23:04.000 Well, I'll answer the question.

01:23:05.000 I think this is the best way to say it.

01:23:09.000 I don't believe in a command economy.

01:23:11.000 And I believe, oh, yes, yes, we all know about the problem of calculation in a socialist economy, but I'm not a socialist.

01:23:19.000 And I'm not in favor of a command economy or the state directs all production in the country.

01:23:24.000 I'm not talking about the state directing all the production in America.

01:23:27.000 We're talking about things that are very simple and common sense.

01:23:31.000 When we're talking about some of these industries, which we know are strategic industries or the industries of the future, we need to protect those industries in America.

01:23:40.000 I mean, that's very simple. 0.86

01:23:42.000 It doesn't take 300 million, probably 300 million people don't know shit about that. 0.97

01:23:48.000 I would venture to guess.

01:23:49.000 That the people that know best the future industries of America would be a group of specialists.

01:23:54.000 And those are the industries that we should protect our American expertise, our entrepreneurs, our businesses against foreign competitors.

01:24:01.000 And it's very, and like, you know, the free marketers like to say, like, oh, that can't happen.

01:24:05.000 That's impossible.

01:24:06.000 Like, where do you think the internet came from?

01:24:09.000 Where do you think semiconductors came from?

01:24:10.000 Where do you think airplanes came from?

01:24:13.000 You know, if it weren't for the U.S. military, you wouldn't have an internet.

01:24:16.000 If it weren't for the U.S. military, you wouldn't have Boeing 747s.

01:24:20.000 If it weren't for the military, you wouldn't have Silicon Valley.

01:24:24.000 It was the U.S. government and monopolies that created a lot of this technology.

01:24:28.000 The idea that only the free market knows how to pick and choose and everything, of course, we know.

01:24:33.000 Like I said earlier, that AI, quantum computing, robotics, the future lies in those industries as compared to other things, as compared to industries like if China is making McDonald's toys or China is making Crocs or something like that.

01:24:48.000 I mean, we know that.

01:24:49.000 So it's not a question of a dozen people managing the economy.

01:24:52.000 It's a matter of can, and this is just.

01:24:57.000 I think the difference in how we're looking at this, we as a country have to make value judgments.

01:25:03.000 And you could say like free trade, free trade, free trade, but fundamentally what you're saying is consumption.

01:25:07.000 You're saying prioritize present consumption over really any other consideration, over how our workers are doing, over strategic considerations, over this sort of ladder of innovation that has to be built up, industrialization.

01:25:23.000 So whether you choose to abstain from that choice or consciously make that choice, you're making a choice.

01:25:29.000 And we as a country have to choose.

01:25:31.000 What is valuable to us.

01:25:32.000 And what's valuable to me is our strategic posture.

01:25:35.000 It's our workers.

01:25:36.000 It's our stability.

01:25:37.000 It's the wealth of our nation.

01:25:38.000 And, you know, a position where we have a $600 billion deficit with China, that's not a position that favors this.

01:25:45.000 And, you know, you keep throwing these, I don't know, this is like a debate team thing to you.

01:25:49.000 I'm not in debate team.

01:25:50.000 I'm not interested in having debate team debate.

01:25:52.000 I'm interested in, you know, what is best for the American economy, what's best for American workers, not, you know, all this other stuff.

01:25:59.000 And I still have not heard how financing massive trade deficits with assets and debt.

01:26:05.000 Is in the long term interest of the American people.

01:26:08.000 It just isn't.

01:26:09.000 You could say, well, what about foreign direct investment?

01:26:11.000 But that doesn't answer the question.

01:26:13.000 How is it that we can finance hundreds of billions or trillions of dollars in trade deficits with productive capital, with assets, with debt, with currency that is used against us and manipulated?

01:26:24.000 How is that in the long term benefit of us to receive consumption goods in return?

01:26:28.000 And you said earlier, like, we're trading intangible expertise and that narrows the trade deficit.

01:26:33.000 Like, that's a good thing.

01:26:34.000 It's not a good thing to trade our expertise for consumer goods.

01:26:37.000 That's maybe the worst thing possible.

01:26:39.000 So, and I would also say that if free trade were all it's knocked up to be, you know, this is just the gold rush that I guess every other country in the world is missing out on.

01:26:48.000 I guess, you know, Canada, the European Union, China, you know, America during the Industrial Revolution, Germany during the I mean, all these successful countries, all these countries that are absolutely killing it and enriching themselves, they're just missing out on this gold rush that is free trade.

01:27:04.000 You know, free trade that lost Britain's comparative advantage in the Industrial Revolution, free trade which lost our comparative advantage in the past 30 years.

01:27:12.000 Or, I guess you could say the past 80 years.

01:27:12.000 I mean, that.

01:27:15.000 But, you know, that to me is the big picture.

01:27:17.000 But, you know, let's hear more about like, here's one thing.

01:27:20.000 Before we move on, I'm just going to just give like a bit of a closing statement here, which is like, I'm an American.

01:27:27.000 I'm not an American citizen, actually.

01:27:29.000 I'm a green card holder, right?

01:27:30.000 I'm a immigrant to this country as an immigrant from North Africa, right?

01:27:34.000 And yeah, I am in a debate team, but like, regardless, I still care about what this nation means.

01:27:39.000 And that means actually supporting solutions that really work, solutions that help the American public, solutions that increase.

01:27:44.000 Jobs, increased economic growth, solutions that have worked in the past, have worked in the present, and will work in the future.

01:27:52.000 You are supporting an outdated system with facts that really don't hold your side, with methodologies and studies that really don't work on your side.

01:28:00.000 And I mean, like, I mean, it's just, it baffles me how, like, you could still support a system that would actually hurt American workers in the future if you are truly an American.

01:28:11.000 That's it.

01:28:12.000 I mean, that's okay.

01:28:14.000 I'm not going to make more facts and studies.

01:28:16.000 I mean, if you really wanted to, I could have just.

01:28:18.000 No, I mean, if that's your conclusion, I'm just okay.

01:28:20.000 Is that your conclusion?

01:28:22.000 It's a bit of an emotional one or rhetoric one.

01:28:24.000 I got it.

01:28:25.000 Right.

01:28:25.000 I got it.

01:28:26.000 Right.

01:28:26.000 Pathos.

01:28:27.000 Debate.

01:28:28.000 Yeah.

01:28:29.000 This is my pathos appeal.

01:28:30.000 The useful pathos.

01:28:33.000 Hey, if logos doesn't work, do y'all want to discuss immigration?

01:28:38.000 Hell yeah.

01:28:39.000 Before we move on, though, Pee Pee was one to talk to Nick.

01:28:43.000 I remember we were going to let him speak for a few seconds.

01:28:46.000 He's the one who donated to ask the question to get him on here.

01:28:52.000 Yo, Nick.

01:28:53.000 Yo, yo, thank you for bringing me back to Christ.

01:28:58.000 Oh, hey, great to hear it!

01:29:00.000 Yeah, eternal, eternal, never forget that.

01:29:03.000 I'm joking.

01:29:03.000 I'm subscribed to the website, based.

01:29:06.000 I just want to say thank you.

01:29:09.000 All right, y'all can mute me now.

01:29:12.000 Hey, well, thanks, man.

01:29:13.000 You're cool.

01:29:13.000 That's pretty cool.

01:29:14.000 I'm subscribed to the website too.

01:29:16.000 My man, well, thanks for the.

01:29:18.000 I deserve equal praise, Nick.

01:29:20.000 I'm just kidding.

01:29:21.000 You're a good man.

01:29:21.000 I praise you.

01:29:22.000 I'm just kidding.

01:29:26.000 I did. 0.51

01:29:27.000 I well, are we doing the immigration thing now?

01:29:30.000 Yeah, we're doing immigration. 1.00

01:29:31.000 I want to destroy some immigrants. 1.00

01:29:34.000 Honestly, hold on. 1.00

01:29:37.000 Can I just start really quick? 0.76

01:29:39.000 That because immigration is like the easiest thing to argue, actually.

01:29:42.000 So true, it's like the easiest one because there's here's the problem with immigration.

01:29:47.000 I'm not gonna like this debate.

01:29:49.000 No, no, you, I mean, the more you dislike it, the more right Nick and I are, frankly.

01:29:56.000 So, hey, I'm not gonna say anything.

01:29:58.000 All I'm gonna say is, I'm not gonna like this.

01:30:00.000 Well, you're not going to like it, but that's fine.

01:30:02.000 That means we're right.

01:30:04.000 That means we're right.

01:30:06.000 So, here's the thing.

01:30:08.000 I mean, if I'm really coming at it from a straight face, you know, like really coming at it, here's the thing.

01:30:14.000 There's no limiting principle to immigration if you're on the left.

01:30:18.000 Because if you really believe that America is just like this, Nick, you talk about this a lot the magic dirt theory. 0.77

01:30:25.000 If we really believe that if the average immigrant from San Salvador, El Salvador, right? 0.85

01:30:33.000 Is able to walk into Dallas, Texas and become a natural born American, right?

01:30:40.000 There's no limiting principle.

01:30:42.000 What does American mean?

01:30:43.000 And then you start to get into like, okay, well, even if we afford a lot of rights and principles to native born Americans, what does American mean?

01:30:55.000 And what do the people mean?

01:30:57.000 And if you're on the left or you're, frankly, at this point, if you're even center left, you have no binding to what it means to be American.

01:31:07.000 That's basically my take.

01:31:08.000 Like the left has no limiting principle to what it means to be American or what it means to have borders or anything like that.

01:31:17.000 So I'm willing to go from there.

01:31:19.000 I'm not going to interject, you know, too harshly if someone jumps in, but it's like, what's the limiting principle on being an American?

01:31:26.000 Because according to the left, if you're in an immigrant camp in Brownsville, Texas on the border, you know, you're facing horrible treatment and you deserve to be moved to the.

01:31:41.000 Des Moines, Iowa, to get a job at a factory to displace a white worker. 0.97

01:31:46.000 And that's fine. 0.84

01:31:47.000 So it's like, I don't really see how immigration policy currently benefits native born Americans.

01:31:55.000 Well, before we start talking about immigration, I'd just like to see, let's look at the policy decision, right?

01:32:00.000 So, what's your policy on immigration, Fulton?

01:32:04.000 My policy on immigration.

01:32:06.000 Or Jordan and Nick, both of y'all.

01:32:09.000 The policy to become an immigrant, you said?

01:32:11.000 No, just policy in general.

01:32:12.000 What would an America under President Fuentes look like when it comes to immigration?

01:32:18.000 Total dictatorship. 1.00

01:32:19.000 No more immigrants. 1.00

01:32:26.000 I want net zero migration and I want deportations in mass. 1.00

01:32:31.000 We want autocracy now. 1.00

01:32:33.000 I want no more immigrants. 1.00

01:32:35.000 I want zero. 1.00

01:32:37.000 I want net zero and I want negative immigration. 1.00

01:32:41.000 Not even Albert Einstein. 0.99

01:32:43.000 I want immigration going the opposite direction. 0.99

01:32:45.000 Not even European countries need? 1.00

01:32:47.000 Nope.

01:32:48.000 No. 0.97

01:32:48.000 All we need is we need birth rates going up and immigration going down. 0.97

01:32:52.000 Hell yeah. 0.95

01:32:54.000 How do you increase birth rates?

01:32:54.000 Wait, wait.

01:32:56.000 Easily.

01:32:57.000 Tax.

01:32:58.000 Hey, hey, hey, ask.

01:33:00.000 Hey, hold on.

01:33:01.000 Let me answer that.

01:33:02.000 I'll answer that. 0.89

01:33:03.000 I'll bet you it's going to be Hungary or Bon. 0.82

01:33:03.000 I'll answer that very quickly. 0.82

01:33:05.000 One sec.

01:33:05.000 Go ahead.

01:33:07.000 Ask Or Bon.

01:33:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:09.000 Let me ask Or Bon.

01:33:10.000 Which Or Bon has it?

01:33:10.000 Let me ask Or Bon.

01:33:11.000 Wait, wait, wait.

01:33:13.000 Did you not see I own Sam Kipling?

01:33:15.000 I asked him.

01:33:16.000 I said, do you think that it's an overstep of the government to incentivize childbirth?

01:33:24.000 I don't think it's a good idea.

01:33:26.000 I care about if it works, right?

01:33:28.000 It does work.

01:33:29.000 Ask.

01:33:30.000 I don't mind.

01:33:31.000 So, do you know when Orban implemented this sort of like tax policy to help?

01:33:31.000 Okay, okay.

01:33:35.000 Was it in his fourth?

01:33:36.000 Like, Orban's had multiple governments, you know, because of the way that the Hungarian parliament works.

01:33:43.000 Like, he's had about four things.

01:33:46.000 So, the fourth or the third Orban government?

01:33:49.000 Which one?

01:33:50.000 So, just so I know what I'm looking at.

01:33:53.000 I don't even know what you're asking.

01:33:54.000 I support nationalist politicians.

01:33:57.000 I'm telling you, it doesn't work.

01:33:58.000 I'm telling you, that sort of birth rate doesn't work.

01:34:00.000 Hell yeah, it works.

01:34:00.000 Of course, it does work.

01:34:01.000 We can raise it.

01:34:02.000 What are you talking about?

01:34:02.000 Of course it works.

01:34:03.000 Actually, what you see in Hungary's birth rate is actually a decrease.

01:34:08.000 That's not true.

01:34:08.000 No, it's not.

01:34:09.000 Yes, it is.

01:34:10.000 That's literally untrue, Nick.

01:34:12.000 That's true.

01:34:13.000 I remember I searched this up when it came to the news.

01:34:17.000 It's not a question of if we must.

01:34:17.000 It's not true.

01:34:21.000 It is an imperative.

01:34:22.000 And I'm not even joking that we raise the birth rates.

01:34:25.000 Okay, yeah, I understand.

01:34:26.000 I understand.

01:34:27.000 In any case, even if we did increase the birth rates, that doesn't mean that we need more immigration.

01:34:32.000 I mean, the question about raising birth rates to me is.

01:34:35.000 Is really secondary or tertiary because you look at Japan as a good example.

01:34:39.000 Japan's birth rate obviously collapsed.

01:34:42.000 And even without the immigration, somehow they have remained a stable, safe, clean, traditional country.

01:34:52.000 And so I also think about technological unemployment. 0.98

01:34:55.000 It might be a good thing, maybe, that the population diminishes, but I don't think that the population diminishing necessitates that we replace the population with non white immigrants. 0.91

01:35:05.000 And MJ, at this point, you still have not explained how. 0.98

01:35:09.000 How mass migration would be a good response to life?

01:35:13.000 Well, I haven't even been.

01:35:15.000 You're trying to defend mass migration, but you've never said how it would be a good response to the ills of society that we're saying. 0.87

01:35:23.000 Well, first of all, we have to look at. 0.92

01:35:26.000 Because when you're talking about decreasing immigration, right?

01:35:29.000 And Nick, thank you for bringing up the Japan example, right?

01:35:31.000 You're talking about decreasing birth rates.

01:35:33.000 And the reason why birth rates matter to me, and I think, especially when it comes to replenishing our population, right?

01:35:39.000 And why I think.

01:35:40.000 Rather than being a secondary or tertiary thing, it's very much a primary thing, right?

01:35:44.000 And the reason why that is, is because look at what happens in Japan.

01:35:48.000 Right now, Japan's population, it's not about, oh, our population is dying.

01:35:51.000 It's about our population is getting older, right? 0.68

01:35:53.000 And we're not replacing it with enough people that can actually support the elderly population.

01:35:57.000 Like Japan is facing an almost demographic collapse as it reaches a fourth or fifth stage.

01:36:04.000 They're really not.

01:36:05.000 They've been, people like you have been saying that since the mid 70s, that Japan's population is going to collapse on itself and the debt will collapse on itself.

01:36:13.000 I'm not the one saying this.

01:36:15.000 This is the prime minister of Japan saying this.

01:36:17.000 I'm not the one saying this.

01:36:18.000 He put it as his policy initiative for two terms in a row.

01:36:23.000 This is a man, it's not some 17 year old saying this, it's the prime minister of Japan.

01:36:27.000 Also, to move on to another point that I haven't been able to address fully Hungary's birth rate, right?

01:36:32.000 The famous birth rate.

01:36:33.000 So now we're looking for a bunch.

01:36:36.000 So now we're looking for a bunch.

01:36:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:36:38.000 The reason we're looking for a bunch.

01:36:39.000 The reason why is because I'm trying to show y'all that this sort of incentivization doesn't work. 0.67

01:36:44.000 And as such, our only choice is immigration.

01:36:47.000 So let's look at from 2016 to 2020.

01:36:49.000 In 2016, Hungary's birth rate was 9.49.

01:36:56.000 Nick, did you see how he just slid that in there?

01:36:58.000 He just said, the only solution we have is just mass migration.

01:37:02.000 The only way we could ever do it is just if we just let our country.

01:37:05.000 No, no, no. 0.98

01:37:06.000 I said immigration.

01:37:07.000 I said immigration.

01:37:08.000 I never said mass migration.

01:37:09.000 What I'm talking about is immigration.

01:37:09.000 No.

01:37:12.000 No, no, no, no.

01:37:14.000 You're completely misquoting me. 1.00

01:37:15.000 The only option we have is Pakistani rape gangs. 1.00

01:37:18.000 Dude, just let them in. 1.00

01:37:20.000 They're not going to take care of the elderly. 1.00

01:37:22.000 They're going to kill the elderly. 0.98

01:37:23.000 Exactly. 1.00

01:37:25.000 We're going to bring them over and they're going to murder the elderly, just like in Detroit in that nursing home. 0.98

01:37:30.000 They're going to be like a boxing match. 0.99

01:37:32.000 They will punch your grandmother and you're going to be like Ray Rice.

01:37:37.000 And you're just going to be like, yo, but I signed the bill.

01:37:41.000 Ray Rice and the nursing home.

01:37:42.000 Nick Fuentes, what did you say about Detroit in the nursing home?

01:37:45.000 Like that Detroit nursing home.

01:37:47.000 I know that guy was a patient, but you see that kind of elderly abuse all the time from nurses and other aides.

01:37:54.000 And everybody knows that.

01:37:55.000 I mean, the problem is they're not us.

01:37:58.000 So.

01:37:59.000 I mean, yeah, they might be able to support Social Security or something. 1.00

01:38:02.000 Fuck me. 1.00

01:38:03.000 Let's circle back to the topic a little. 1.00

01:38:06.000 I just want to know what the.

01:38:06.000 Wait, can we be.

01:38:08.000 So, the patient, what did he do to the elderly?

01:38:11.000 Oh, you don't know what that is?

01:38:13.000 No, I don't know.

01:38:13.000 Oh, this guy.

01:38:14.000 This black guy was just like using this white person in the nursing home as like a punching bag, just like brutally punching the shit out of this. 0.99

01:38:24.000 I think it was a guy, or I don't know. 1.00

01:38:26.000 Yeah, it was a guy.

01:38:27.000 It was a guy.

01:38:28.000 Just battering this guy.

01:38:29.000 And, like, you know, it's no secret that immigrants, even white immigrants, Polish immigrants, especially in Chicago, but Polish, Hispanic, Central American immigrants, and blacks, often blacks, often end up working as, like, nannies or in nursing homes.

01:38:43.000 I've seen it firsthand in hospitals.

01:38:46.000 And they are abusive.

01:38:47.000 I mean, this is just a fact.

01:38:49.000 And so, you know, the idea that, like, I mean, I don't know if you mean literally, like, take care of them and send them to nurses.

01:38:55.000 The thing is that the big thing is that Governor Gretchen Whitmer actually had the executive order to put.

01:39:01.000 Those patients in the nursing home.

01:39:03.000 So I wouldn't really say.

01:39:04.000 Wait, what would be.

01:39:05.000 Hold on.

01:39:06.000 But Nick.

01:39:07.000 So in Michigan, Nick had a very good point on his show tonight. 0.88

01:39:11.000 Nick talked about the fact that you can't import tens of millions of migrants into the third or into the first world from the third world over the span of 50 years, inject them with the ideology of anti whiteness, and then expect them to act civilly towards whites. 0.86

01:39:30.000 Like, why would you expect that thing to happen? 0.83

01:39:32.000 If you tell not. 0.98

01:39:34.000 If you tell non white people when they enter this country that whites have always wronged them, have always hated them, have always enslaved them, have always beat them, why would you think it's like some weird anomaly that they start beating them when they start taking care of them at an old age? 0.69

01:39:48.000 And then when white people become the minority, we think it's just going to flip. 0.70

01:39:51.000 Like it's not going to flip.

01:39:52.000 Yeah, it's going to get even worse.

01:39:53.000 It's going to get even worse.

01:39:54.000 Don't be so bad if it turns to South Africa. 1.00

01:39:58.000 I'll be a rap.

01:39:59.000 Here's the understanding.

01:40:00.000 Nick, it's fine. 0.98

01:40:01.000 Wait, but aren't you guys talking like immigrants? 0.99

01:40:03.000 Was the black guy that was beating them? 0.98

01:40:05.000 Was he an immigrant? 1.00

01:40:06.000 No, he was non white. 1.00

01:40:08.000 Oh, okay. 0.99

01:40:09.000 That's kind of relevant.

01:40:10.000 No, it's not relevant because you're misunderstanding the point.

01:40:14.000 The point is that you're being sort of like snarky right now, but the point is this is that we import foreign people, and the point is that there are considerations outside of the social safety net and outside of this pyramid that we're trying to construct of like a giant base of taxpayers to support the social safety net or social security. 0.75

01:40:35.000 The point is that the people that are coming here, if they're quite literally going to be physically abusing our elderly, Then, you know, what does it matter if they're paying for the Social Security? 0.92

01:40:44.000 I mean, that obviously I'm not extrapolating, I'm being a little bit facetious, but that is symbolic and that is emblematic of the problem with mass migration. 0.99

01:40:54.000 You might very well say that we're going to bring over Hispanics and they're going to pay for the Social Security for the current retirees and their benefits. 0.99

01:41:02.000 And I understand that. 0.94

01:41:03.000 But you also are ignoring the giant civilizational transformation that occurs when you transition to a different racial demographic. 0.92

01:41:13.000 I mean, there's There's serious consequences to this, and to say that it's like, oh, well, we're just going to replace these people with these other people in a different color. 0.92

01:41:20.000 Like, there's serious consequences to that. 0.93

01:41:23.000 Okay, okay, Nick Fuentes, I'm just like really curious on why you used that Detroit example in particular, considering he was not an immigrant. 0.73

01:41:33.000 Because he was non white.

01:41:35.000 Yeah, yeah, but the thing is, we have to understand the culture around moving around. 0.91

01:41:45.000 You understand that Detroit's a very violent place, right?

01:41:48.000 It's not, but it's not just an only Detroit thing.

01:41:51.000 I mean, this is something that in all these sectors.

01:41:55.000 Yes.

01:41:55.000 Okay.

01:41:56.000 But in regards to Corona, the highest surge.

01:41:58.000 Oh, but we're not talking about Corona.

01:42:00.000 This video, I believe, was from like before Corona.

01:42:04.000 That's not true.

01:42:05.000 This predated Corona.

01:42:07.000 Dude, if it was recently, it was most definitely Corona because the rest of the world.

01:42:11.000 I'm telling you, it predated Corona.

01:42:11.000 It predated Corona.

01:42:13.000 It was an old video.

01:42:14.000 It was an old video.

01:42:16.000 You don't even know what you're talking about.

01:42:17.000 It was an old video.

01:42:18.000 Yeah, yeah, we're not with this.

01:42:20.000 I don't understand what you're bringing up here.

01:42:22.000 I'm not trying to consider that.

01:42:23.000 I just don't understand why that basis is there.

01:42:26.000 We're explaining it to you.

01:42:27.000 Let me shift the argument off of, oh, Dearborn, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

01:42:30.000 I don't give a shit about that, right? 0.99

01:42:31.000 Let's talk about immigration. 0.99

01:42:32.000 It wasn't in Dearborn, it was in Detroit.

01:42:32.000 Wait, what?

01:42:34.000 Or Detroit or whatever.

01:42:35.000 I just heard Michigan and heard D.

01:42:36.000 Oh, we are.

01:42:37.000 We are talking about immigration.

01:42:38.000 We're talking about demographic change.

01:42:40.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:41.000 Here's the thing that I want to talk about specifically.

01:42:43.000 And the care of your elders decreases.

01:42:45.000 I've been trying to talk this whole time, man.

01:42:47.000 Please.

01:42:48.000 It's an independent issue.

01:42:48.000 Let me talk.

01:42:50.000 So, when it comes to immigration, right?

01:42:52.000 Nick, I just want to understand why no immigration.

01:42:55.000 Just enlighten me then.

01:42:57.000 It's because we are in the middle of a giant demographic transition.

01:42:57.000 I told you.

01:43:02.000 You know, it's not.

01:43:04.000 Number one, I should point out, we have brought in more than 60 million immigrants since the 1965 Hartzeller Immigration Act. 1.00

01:43:11.000 So, the volume of immigrants is too high, no matter what way you cut it, you know, whether they're coming from Europe or they're coming from anywhere. 1.00

01:43:18.000 There's just too many immigrants. 1.00

01:43:19.000 You can't. 1.00

01:43:20.000 Assimilate them. 1.00

01:43:21.000 I don't think assimilation is even possible from a lot of these places, but there's no way that they're going to adhere to a new culture. 0.99

01:43:27.000 There's no way that they're even learning the language or anything else for that matter.

01:43:32.000 The other thing is that it's totally disruptive to the economy.

01:43:34.000 And usually, to me, the economy is secondary, but if we're just talking about volume, there's just way too many people in this country in order for wages to rise.

01:43:42.000 I mean, we know that the people that are coming in are coming in. 1.00

01:43:45.000 I mean, there's a lot of family based immigration, but a lot of the immigrants have come in and they've totally destroyed the job market for high school graduates or people without a college diploma. 1.00

01:43:54.000 But primarily, more than anything, and I don't want to get into the weeds on that, the primary. 1.00

01:43:59.000 Reason we need no more immigration is because of the social and cultural consequences of a total demographic change, totally changing the racial composition of the country. 0.73

01:44:09.000 It's just got to stop happening.

01:44:10.000 Can you explain to me those social and cultural issues then?

01:44:13.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:44:14.000 The people that are coming over here are not Americans. 1.00

01:44:18.000 Specifically, if we're looking at Latin American immigration, Jason Richline did a paper about this. 1.00

01:44:22.000 If you're looking at the average IQ of the Hispanic immigrants coming over here, it's like 85. 0.99

01:44:27.000 But it's not even an IQ. 1.00

01:44:31.000 It's about the fact that when you bring people over here, whether they're high IQ, low IQ, they're bringing over a culture that is alien and foreign and basically immutable. 0.98

01:44:40.000 The non white people that we're bringing in cannot perpetuate the European culture that created America. 0.98

01:44:47.000 So, what creates the culture? 1.00

01:44:50.000 Nick, what about the Cubans that went to Miami? 0.91

01:44:53.000 Yeah, when their second generation became the same exact thing that they were not, and voted on the left and kept just continuation of the structure of this country. 0.94

01:45:03.000 Nick, Nick, but the Cubans, man. 1.00

01:45:06.000 Come on, man. 0.99

01:45:07.000 I'm not even making that point.

01:45:08.000 Nick, so what would you define as culture then?

01:45:12.000 Culture is a very expansive thing.

01:45:15.000 A lot of people take culture to mean that it's just like music or dancing or fine art or something like that.

01:45:22.000 But culture is actually very broad and it's very deep.

01:45:27.000 Culture is something as simple as how a people treats its women.

01:45:31.000 A culture is its sense of humor, mannerisms, body language.

01:45:35.000 It's things like, you know, what is your tolerance level for people that disagree with you?

01:45:40.000 What does your work ethic look like?

01:45:41.000 You know, culture is something that, you know, between races, you're going to see differences that are large and small.

01:45:48.000 And, you know, or maybe I should say more properly stated, some things are going to be seen and some things are going to be unseen.

01:45:57.000 But that would be what I would define as culture.

01:46:00.000 So, I mean, okay, Nick.

01:46:02.000 Yeah.

01:46:03.000 Okay, so would you say that there is one.

01:46:08.000 Yeah, American culture.

01:46:09.000 Would you say that?

01:46:11.000 Absolutely.

01:46:12.000 Yes.

01:46:13.000 Okay.

01:46:14.000 Okay. 0.51

01:46:14.000 So, would you like to put Mormons in Utah under that umbrella, along with Bostonians, New Yorkers? 0.51

01:46:25.000 Okay.

01:46:27.000 I mean, personally, I'd see Mormonism as, you know, extremely different to, let's say, a Protestant or a Catholic, if you take it, you know, those values.

01:46:44.000 Well, it's not to say that there are no differences, but it is to say that, you know, strip away maybe regional things or, again, some of the trappings, and you do have a discernible monoculture.

01:46:56.000 I think the more appropriate question would be Are the differences between Bostonians and Mormons equal or lesser to the differences between Bostonians and Nigerians?

01:47:09.000 You know, clearly we would say that there are more things that Mormons and Utah have in common with Bostonians.

01:47:16.000 In Boston, than Bostonians have in common with Nigerians. 0.92

01:47:19.000 And that's the point. 1.00

01:47:21.000 The point is that there is a discernible monoculture.

01:47:25.000 And, you know, I would even go as far as to say.

01:47:27.000 Yeah, go ahead.

01:47:30.000 Okay, let me get this straight. 0.74

01:47:31.000 Was your stance on immigration that there should be none whatsoever?

01:47:36.000 Net zero migration.

01:47:37.000 Yeah, net zero.

01:47:39.000 With, along with deportations.

01:47:42.000 Okay, Matt said, frankly, I don't see why that's outlandish to anyone.

01:47:47.000 It's not that it's outlandish.

01:47:50.000 Okay, so you said if these cultures were similar, then.

01:47:56.000 Similar enough in how they value things, that would be a but they're not, they never will be.

01:48:03.000 Okay, well, I mean, mass assimilation is not Jordan. 0.86

01:48:09.000 You gotta stop it, Jordan.

01:48:10.000 You gotta stop interrupting, bro.

01:48:12.000 I'm not saying that I never made that, you know, claim.

01:48:17.000 I've never made that claim.

01:48:18.000 You can, you don't need to keep on saying it, bro.

01:48:20.000 So, what I'm saying is if you said that the comparison between cultures and seeing how you know these values.

01:48:30.000 How similar they are is a substantial argument to say it's American or not, then we can look at cultures outside of the borders, the geographical borders of America, and apply those same cultures to those values, right?

01:48:45.000 What?

01:48:45.000 What are you even saying?

01:48:47.000 So, if a culture had similar values to, let's say, Mormonism or Bostonian culture or New York culture, but they're outside of America, even though these same values were similar, To these American values, would you say they wouldn't be as candidates for immigration?

01:49:06.000 But they're not.

01:49:07.000 I mean, they're not. 0.99

01:49:08.000 The culture, you all know what the culture is like in Africa? 0.99

01:49:11.000 They will go into electrical transformers, they'll break them open, and they will use the oil inside of them to cook their chicken. 0.98

01:49:18.000 That's the culture in Africa.

01:49:21.000 I use Africa as an example.

01:49:23.000 You said net zero immigration, so that would include Europe, right? 0.91

01:49:26.000 That includes Europe. 0.77

01:49:27.000 Yeah, that includes Europe.

01:49:29.000 So including Western Europe, right?

01:49:31.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:49:32.000 No more immigration. 1.00

01:49:33.000 We've got enough. 1.00

01:49:34.000 I just watched Audio Africa for the first time and it was fire.

01:49:38.000 So, Western Europe, whose cultures, you know, they share similar values as America, right?

01:49:43.000 Yeah.

01:49:45.000 And you said that because Mormons and Bostonians have, you know, substantial or that their values are similar, they're fine.

01:49:55.000 They can be American.

01:49:56.000 But if there's some, you know, Western European culture that shares these same values, these values are similar, then they want to be, you know, candidates for immigration.

01:50:06.000 I think that eventually. 0.53

01:50:07.000 Okay, but regardless.

01:50:08.000 You're labeling the problem with the difference in values, but if that's the case, then difference of values doesn't matter, so you're basing it on something else.

01:50:16.000 No, wrong. 0.99

01:50:18.000 Eventually, eventually, I think Europeans will be candidates to become immigrants. 0.99

01:50:23.000 What we're talking about is right now.

01:50:25.000 And like I said earlier, it's context denial to say that, to ignore the fact that we have just brought in more than 60 million immigrants since 1965. 0.99

01:50:37.000 And the point is to say that even at this point, If we were to bring in European immigrants, I think that would be the least, that would be maybe the least disruptive place that we could bring in immigrants from. 0.99

01:50:48.000 And I would be unopposed to bringing in European immigrants on the grounds of culture. 0.98

01:50:52.000 But the reason that I say no European immigrants even now is because we have brought in tens of millions of immigrants from other countries. 0.99

01:51:01.000 And for a variety of reasons, it's a good reason to not bring in any more immigrants. 1.00

01:51:06.000 I think that Europeans absolutely pass the smell test when it comes to culture. 1.00

01:51:10.000 I mean, they absolutely do. 0.99

01:51:11.000 Europeans are the ones that have been assimilated and make up the modern ethnicity of white Americans. 0.81

01:51:17.000 But I think at this point, bringing in Europeans, I think they're going to vote liberal.

01:51:21.000 I think they're going to vote Democratic. 1.00

01:51:22.000 And the other thing is, I think that they're going to take jobs at this point. 0.99

01:51:26.000 But that is a very tiny percentage of the immigrants that are coming in. 0.83

01:51:29.000 We're talking about immigration.

01:51:31.000 We're talking about largely Hispanic and Asian immigration.

01:51:34.000 Europeans make up a very tiny percentage of that.

01:51:37.000 And that's not the problem.

01:51:38.000 That's not the major part of the problem that we're talking about.

01:51:44.000 So it would be much better if you could just state your point instead of this laborious process of asking these sort of inane questions to build up to a point that isn't even salient.

01:51:56.000 Which makes no sense to me whatsoever.

01:51:57.000 And okay, well, elaborate on that, please.

01:52:00.000 Yeah, no, that's not that's not that wasn't my point on any of this.

01:52:02.000 So, like, I'd like to actually get into a debate now, like, instead of just dancing around points, right?

01:52:09.000 And like, so I see the immigration debate personally on three planes.

01:52:14.000 The first is the morality plane, the second is the policy plane, the third is the economic plane, right?

01:52:19.000 So, when we look at the morality, Nick, do you believe that in the idea of innocence until proven guilty?

01:52:25.000 Uh, yeah, in a U.S. court of law.

01:52:28.000 Yeah, but do you believe it as a good moral code?

01:52:32.000 I don't think that's actually even a moral judgment, actually.

01:52:36.000 You wouldn't say that, like, the idea that we shouldn't judge people based on something that, like, the.

01:52:41.000 No, I don't think it's immoral to prejudge or to be prejudiced, not even a little bit.

01:52:47.000 I fundamentally disagree on that point.

01:52:49.000 Well, tell me why.

01:52:50.000 Why is it immoral to be prejudiced?

01:52:53.000 Because the argument there is that you're revoking the individuality of the person just because of the acts of.

01:53:01.000 Either A, a minority or B, a majority of the group.

01:53:04.000 Like, I'm not revoking their individuality.

01:53:06.000 What does that even mean?

01:53:06.000 Revoking their individuality.

01:53:08.000 You're still an individual.

01:53:09.000 You just don't consider.

01:53:10.000 Here's the problem.

01:53:11.000 It's because if I'm walking down the street at night, the proverbial walking down the street at night argument, and I see even just a man, if I, you know, forget about the color, creed, whatever, if I'm walking down the street at night and I even see a man as opposed to a woman coming up behind me, I'm going to be nervous.

01:53:28.000 I'm going to prejudge that that person is a threat.

01:53:31.000 I'm not revoking their individuality.

01:53:33.000 No, no, because, okay, okay, well.

01:53:35.000 Well, in that discussion, right, you are operating on limited knowledge, right?

01:53:38.000 When we're doing that with immigration.

01:53:38.000 When we're talking about.

01:53:40.000 No, Because when we're talking about the immigration plan, we are talking about.

01:53:43.000 You have knowledge on these people.

01:53:45.000 These are applicants, right?

01:53:46.000 No, you don't.

01:53:46.000 What knowledge do you have?

01:53:47.000 People coming from Africa?

01:53:49.000 What information do you have on them? 1.00

01:53:51.000 They write on fucking leaves. 1.00

01:53:54.000 Do you. 1.00

01:53:55.000 Okay.

01:53:57.000 What?

01:53:57.000 Anyways, I'm not even going to address that point, right?

01:54:01.000 So, first of all, I believe it is wrong to prejudice based on the individuality of a Person, right?

01:54:07.000 Because it's 100% wrong to prejudice.

01:54:10.000 Because again, your idea of saying, oh, you're not removing the individuality is completely flawed because you are essentially removing the individuality of the person by pretty much stating, oh, because you are part of this group, because you must believe what this group believes or you must follow what this group follows, you're removing the individuality of that person.

01:54:27.000 I'm North African, right?

01:54:28.000 That doesn't mean that I'm going to be like some sort of terrorist or et cetera, right?

01:54:33.000 Like, that's what I mean by that's wrong, right?

01:54:35.000 Because you're removing the individuality of the person.

01:54:37.000 Like, the individual actions of the person should matter more than the group person.

01:54:40.000 And why that's important, right?

01:54:41.000 And why I believe that is important is because, again, is culture ever objectively true?

01:54:46.000 100% objectively true?

01:54:47.000 What do you say, Nick?

01:54:49.000 What does that mean?

01:54:49.000 Is culture true?

01:54:50.000 What kind of question do you have?

01:54:52.000 Are the cultural factors, right, of different culture groups, are they 100% objectively true at times?

01:54:57.000 What does that mean?

01:54:58.000 How can a.

01:54:59.000 What?

01:55:00.000 Like, what?

01:55:01.000 Like, what?

01:55:02.000 Elaborate down that, MJ.

01:55:04.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:05.000 Does every single person in the culture group fall under that, like, under the tenets of that culture?

01:55:11.000 Like, for example, let me give you an example. 0.98

01:55:13.000 No, no, not all X are like that. 0.87

01:55:16.000 Not all blasts are like that.

01:55:18.000 So, how can you implement laws on something that isn't objective?

01:55:21.000 How can you implement laws on something that's subjective, right?

01:55:23.000 Because, again, you remove the individuality of the person from the equation, right?

01:55:27.000 Because you're saying, Nick, Nick, Nick, what's your saying, right?

01:55:30.000 In your world, in the world of President Fuentes, right? 0.99

01:55:33.000 For example, Muslims, right? 1.00

01:55:34.000 You'd say Muslims, Muslim immigrants shouldn't be allowed because of how they treat women, right? 1.00

01:55:40.000 No, no. 1.00

01:55:41.000 No, I think that's one of the few bright spots. 1.00

01:55:43.000 I think Muslims shouldn't be in because they don't believe in God. 1.00

01:55:45.000 My God. 1.00

01:55:48.000 Wait, Muslims should be in because of what? 1.00

01:55:49.000 Because they don't believe in the true God. 1.00

01:55:51.000 They don't believe in Jesus Christ.

01:55:53.000 Yo, based?

01:55:54.000 Okay, okay, okay.

01:55:55.000 Then that's a whole thing.

01:55:58.000 Here, I want to get back to the kind of argument the analogy gave the man on the street.

01:56:04.000 Let's assume you can make prejudice about him.

01:56:07.000 I mean, that's just something that happened.

01:56:09.000 Do you have the right to put positive action on him based on that prejudice?

01:56:13.000 Do I have the right to assume he's a threat and act on that assumption of threat before he actually poses a threat?

01:56:20.000 Well, it depends.

01:56:21.000 It depends on the situation.

01:56:23.000 Well, he's not doing anything, right?

01:56:25.000 You just have the characteristic that he's a man, and men make up like XYZ percentage of the prison population. 0.60

01:56:31.000 So, can I do a positive action on him?

01:56:33.000 I'm not going to let him into my house.

01:56:35.000 Yeah, you're not going to let people open churches in your house.

01:56:39.000 I don't know what that's supposed to be.

01:56:41.000 So, if you're trying to compare a house to a nation.

01:56:43.000 I am.

01:56:44.000 And I think we as a people are sovereign over our land.

01:56:47.000 And we actually have exceptional powers when it comes to this.

01:56:51.000 Because when you're talking about citizens in our country, I apply a different set of standards to our citizens.

01:56:58.000 You know, interactions on an individual by individual basis than versus a country.

01:57:02.000 Because when you're talking about a country, number one, you're talking about a state.

01:57:06.000 And a state's number one, you're talking about morality.

01:57:09.000 The number one moral obligation of a state beyond everything else is to protect its people.

01:57:13.000 So that, I mean, that is this very special consideration.

01:57:15.000 Moreover, a state is not dealing with individuals.

01:57:18.000 A state is dealing with, when we're talking about immigration, millions and millions, tens of millions of people over a decade or over several decades.

01:57:27.000 And so when it comes to that, actually, we do have to generalize.

01:57:30.000 And when it comes to a nation protecting its people, You do have to take special care to protect them.

01:57:36.000 The other thing is that the act of immigration, if you want to talk about positive action, the act of immigration itself is a positive action. 1.00

01:57:43.000 I mean, I don't want to go over and bomb potential immigrants in other countries, but I do think that we can prevent them from coming here. 1.00

01:57:50.000 Immigrants have no right to come here, they're not entitled to come here. 1.00

01:57:52.000 This is our country, and we as the people are sovereign over it. 1.00

01:57:55.000 That's kind of a socialistic viewpoint, I would say that everybody owns the lands.

01:58:00.000 I'm not saying we own the land.

01:58:01.000 We're sovereign over the land, which means that we as the people get to determine.

01:58:06.000 What goes in this land?

01:58:07.000 I mean, we're a constitutional republic.

01:58:08.000 A republic means that the people are sovereign, not the state, but the people.

01:58:13.000 And the people, obviously, through the representatives in the state, get to decide what goes here.

01:58:17.000 Who comes in, who comes out, what our standards are for how you do that.

01:58:20.000 That wouldn't be a right.

01:58:21.000 That wouldn't be a permission.

01:58:23.000 What wouldn't be a right?

01:58:23.000 That wouldn't be a right.

01:58:25.000 You're saying they wouldn't have a right to come over here?

01:58:27.000 That wouldn't be a right.

01:58:28.000 That would be up to the state.

01:58:29.000 They do not have a right to come here.

01:58:31.000 No, they have the right to move.

01:58:33.000 They have the right to. 0.99

01:58:33.000 They don't have a right to come here. 0.99

01:58:35.000 No, no, no.

01:58:36.000 That's not what I'm saying.

01:58:36.000 I'm saying they have the right to move, freedom of.

01:58:39.000 Action, right?

01:58:40.000 But what you're saying is that they don't have, no, anywhere they choose to, right?

01:58:40.000 To move away.

01:58:43.000 But you're saying if we live it as a nation and collectively say they do not have the right, you're not speaking about rights, you're just talking about permission.

01:58:52.000 So if the majority of the country says they want to come here.

01:58:55.000 They do not have the right to come here.

01:58:56.000 I mean, what are really, I don't even like rights talk.

01:58:58.000 I mean, what are really rights?

01:59:01.000 That's a different conversation.

01:59:02.000 Rights don't exist.

01:59:04.000 Okay, okay. 0.78

01:59:05.000 Well, I mean, there's no one to enforce or recognize them.

01:59:08.000 Nick, you brought up, you brought up.

01:59:09.000 Protection, right?

01:59:10.000 You brought up protection.

01:59:11.000 Protection from what?

01:59:12.000 I just like to ask.

01:59:13.000 Protection from what?

01:59:15.000 Protection from the idea that, I'm not even talking about crime, although I could, but I'm talking about protecting our country from a transformation.

01:59:24.000 I look at a neighborhood.

01:59:25.000 I look at Little Italy as a good example of this in Chicago. 0.97

01:59:28.000 This is a native neighborhood in Chicago, obviously not indigenous, but I look at a part of the city like that, several neighborhoods in the city, and they've been steamrolled by Hispanic immigrants over the course of the past 30 or 40 years. 0.98

01:59:44.000 That's happening across the country. 0.96

01:59:46.000 Forget even that example. 0.60

01:59:48.000 Our native culture and the character of this country is being steamrolled over by other people.

01:59:53.000 And we, as a country, have a right not just to protect our people and their safety and well being, but also to preserve and protect their communities, their neighborhoods, their schools, their workplaces, protect them from competition, protect them from threats to their heritage, protect them from threats to their life and their well being.

02:00:11.000 So, a state.

02:00:13.000 Forget even protection.

02:00:14.000 It's really about looking out for the best interests.

02:00:16.000 You know, protection is true, but.

02:00:17.000 It's more about looking out for advancing the interest of the people.

02:00:20.000 Hold up, hold up, hold up.

02:00:22.000 Oh boy.

02:00:22.000 I've got a question.

02:00:23.000 Belief man.

02:00:24.000 God, verbals here.

02:00:25.000 Hold up. 1.00

02:00:27.000 Make for James.

02:00:28.000 I remember, I think I was watching one of the videos.

02:00:31.000 You said that you get your idea of rights from the Aristotelian perspective, right?

02:00:39.000 I'm not sure I ever said that.

02:00:42.000 All right, so you didn't?

02:00:44.000 What about, or am I mistaken in Thomas Aquinas?

02:00:48.000 I don't think I said that either.

02:00:51.000 All right, so all right, let's scratch what I said.

02:00:54.000 So, you don't believe in rights because, or do you?

02:00:58.000 It's not that I don't believe in rights, it's just that, you know, talking in terms of like, oh, you have a right to like move.

02:01:03.000 I mean, to me, this is just kind of like a useless abstract.

02:01:06.000 Oh, like in general, like what does that even mean?

02:01:08.000 I mean, okay, if you have a right to like walk through the jungle where a tiger is, I mean, so it's like within a country, it's like Nick, the best example, hold on, a verbal, verbal, verbal, we've talked, we've talked a lot of times, verbal, right?

02:01:23.000 So, the best example Nick gave that I saw live that he gave one time was about Rashad Brooks when he got tased, right?

02:01:35.000 And it was after the Hotep debate with Hotep Jesus and all those people. 0.74

02:01:42.000 And they were all debating, like, autistically, did Rashad deserve to die?

02:01:47.000 And it's like, no, no one deserves to die in that situation. 1.00

02:01:50.000 But it's like, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. 1.00

02:01:53.000 And it's like, yeah, if you wrestle a cop for their taser, You will win the stupid prize of like getting tased and like you have a heart attack. 1.00

02:02:03.000 It's like it's not that hard to like calculate. 0.98

02:02:06.000 It's really not rocket science.

02:02:09.000 So it's like, yeah, if I fight a cop for his taser or for his nine millimeter and I get shot, it's like, yeah, maybe I die, but it's like, did I deserve to die? 0.99

02:02:23.000 Maybe not necessarily, but it's like I played a very stupid game and I won a very stupid prize. 0.93

02:02:30.000 I think the question is really not difficult there. 0.97

02:02:33.000 I think people confuse these there when they talk about this.

02:02:35.000 Usually, what they mean is, was it justified?

02:02:38.000 So, I don't really see the relevance of your analogy as far as what you're talking about.

02:02:48.000 But there's nothing much to say about what you just said.

02:02:54.000 Like, where do we go from here?

02:02:56.000 Let's venture more back into immigration.

02:02:58.000 We're kind of getting off into the weeds.

02:02:59.000 Yeah, we're definitely getting off topic because I really want to talk about.

02:03:03.000 Policy and economics, right?

02:03:05.000 Which, by the way, Nick's made some claims about the economics of immigration, which are completely wrong in every single regard.

02:03:13.000 I'd love to see where he comes to the idea that we are economically hurt by immigration in any way, shape, or form. 0.77

02:03:22.000 Yeah, very easily.

02:03:25.000 Here's the problem typically with when people talk about the economic benefits of immigration it's a question of who benefits from the immigration.

02:03:36.000 This is another problem with a lot of the economic literature you have to specify who benefits because, of course, There are a lot of people in this country, and we have to look at the ways in which people are benefiting and who's benefiting.

02:03:49.000 And what we find is that when immigrants come here, yes, it is true they add value to the economy. 0.99

02:03:55.000 Yes, it is true that they add a surplus to the economy. 0.99

02:03:59.000 But if you break it down, the value that they add to the economy is about $2.1 trillion. 0.56

02:04:05.000 The value that they add, or the benefits of that value that accrue to the native people in this country, is about $50 billion. 0.87

02:04:14.000 So, in other words, immigrants add $2.1 trillion to the economy, but the benefits of that, $2.05 trillion of that, accrues to the immigrants themselves. 0.69

02:04:24.000 And moreover, if you're looking at winners and losers when it comes to immigration, the people that benefit, the natives that benefit in this country from that, are firms.

02:04:33.000 The two groups that benefit from legal immigration are the firms that employ immigrants and the immigrants themselves. 0.58

02:04:40.000 The people that lose are the American worker.

02:04:44.000 And that's from George Borjas.

02:04:46.000 And he's gone into detail about it.

02:04:48.000 Well, I have a question.

02:04:49.000 You know, not everybody can win for those 2.05 trillion.

02:04:53.000 Well, it's just that I'm just wondering how, like, how does it benefit the immigrants?

02:04:58.000 Where exactly is it going, those 2.05 trillion that benefit the immigrants specifically?

02:05:02.000 Are they just getting in there? 0.99

02:05:03.000 That would be a shit ton of money for a bunch of immigrants. 1.00

02:05:05.000 2.0 trillion to what? 1.00

02:05:07.000 Like, what, 600,000 maybe?

02:05:08.000 800,000 people would be crazy.

02:05:11.000 800,000 people.

02:05:12.000 We're not talking about annually.

02:05:13.000 I'm not talking about annually.

02:05:15.000 And anyway, 600, more like a million, a million plus immigrants.

02:05:20.000 But.

02:05:21.000 In any case, we're talking about value added to the economy.

02:05:24.000 It's like if you're bringing an immigrant in and they're an employee, the immigrant that they're adding is the value that they're adding through their labor or something like that. 0.64

02:05:32.000 Or they're buying a house. 0.89

02:05:34.000 And the point is that if they're only adding $50 billion, you're bringing in millions and millions and millions of people, the benefit that they add to the actual native people is actually pretty marginal.

02:05:47.000 It's not a difference maker, is the point.

02:05:48.000 It's basically a wash.

02:05:51.000 Winners and losers, even within that number, it's the firms that are winning.

02:05:56.000 Well, nothing's going to happen.

02:06:01.000 How far long are they tracing the money, the $2.05 trillion, just in direct benefits or reinvestment into the economy, reinvestment through concessions?

02:06:10.000 Well, I mean, obviously, they're not calculating how the economy is rippling across the economy.

02:06:15.000 But the point being is that it's a pretty simple point.

02:06:18.000 It's just that when immigrants are coming here and they add economic value, it's like, well, Of course, insofar as immigrants are going to earn money and spend money, the economy will grow.

02:06:27.000 But if you're dividing that by one extra person, I mean, do you get the picture?

02:06:31.000 It's like, how is that?

02:06:33.000 We're trying to determine if immigration works for America as it is.

02:06:38.000 Adding immigrants and immigrants adding value to this country for themselves, they add into the denominator as well as the numerator.

02:06:45.000 I mean, that's not really a question of our value.

02:06:48.000 And then at that point, the question has to be asked if they're not adding significant value, if the value that's added is marginal, Then you have to begin to think about these other consequences.

02:06:59.000 And I think you have to think about them regardless.

02:07:01.000 But at that point, the question is is it worth it to bring in, to cause all this disruption, in other words, this transformation in exchange for $50 billion?

02:07:10.000 I mean, it would be a viable question, I think, if it was a huge number, if the value that they added was huge.

02:07:19.000 And it would be a question.

02:07:20.000 But at this point, when it's basically a wash overall for the entire.

02:07:25.000 What value would be huge for you?

02:07:27.000 I don't know, but it doesn't matter because that's not the case.

02:07:30.000 But, like, for example, I'm just looking at some economic literature, or rather, economic study in front of me right now, right?

02:07:37.000 Which is done, if I'm not mistaken, if you want the source on it, it is done by the American Progress and So they looked at immigration, right?

02:07:46.000 And they looked at how do immigrants benefit us right now?

02:07:50.000 They benefit us about $690 billion increase in wages, rather, in income, right? 0.61

02:07:57.000 Of immigrants, rather, not of immigrants, of citizens, like original native citizens in this country. 0.60

02:08:03.000 So would you say that that's a benefit? 0.81

02:08:04.000 That's only the income benefit.

02:08:05.000 That's not even looking at the other benefits that could come through.

02:08:08.000 But that's impossible. 1.00

02:08:09.000 Immigrants don't raise wages. 1.00

02:08:11.000 And, you know, whatever's not a body mass. 1.00

02:08:12.000 No, it's not wages, income.

02:08:14.000 Yeah, income.

02:08:15.000 That's differentiation.

02:08:16.000 What do you think income is?

02:08:17.000 Well, income isn't necessarily wages.

02:08:19.000 Okay.

02:08:19.000 Well, what is it for the vast majority of people?

02:08:21.000 Well, income can come through so many different things, but regardless, right? 0.77

02:08:25.000 And like what you're looking at right now, Nick, is like, you're saying it's ridiculous, though.

02:08:29.000 I mean, you go to American progress. 0.98

02:08:32.000 That's ridiculous, yeah. 0.84

02:08:33.000 That's what the study says.

02:08:34.000 Well, I went to I'mRight.com, and the study conclusion says, I'm right, and therefore I'm right.

02:08:39.000 I mean, like you can pull a study that you just found on Google, but you know, I would have to read over the methodology and everything.

02:08:45.000 If you look at the studies from Borjas, he specializes.

02:08:48.000 In immigration.

02:08:48.000 He's a Harvard immigration economist.

02:08:50.000 He's an immigrant himself.

02:08:51.000 And if you read his book, it's called We Wanted Workers.

02:08:55.000 He goes over the methodology and how, if you look at just about any immigration study, you can take the same data and, depending on your methodology, can end up with wildly different outcomes.

02:09:06.000 And typically and often, you'll find that a lot of these think tanks, which are backed by big business or backed by the political left, they will produce results that support the claim that immigration adds to the economy.

02:09:17.000 And they'll do a variety of tricks like that.

02:09:20.000 For example, if you look at welfare.

02:09:21.000 They'll break down welfare by the individual as opposed to the household.

02:09:25.000 If you look at different studies on local markets where you've had a surge of immigration, they will look at people that are in high school.

02:09:36.000 They'll look at people that aren't even eligible in the workforce.

02:09:40.000 There's all kinds of ways that studies can be distorted.

02:09:42.000 That's why it's very important to not just throw up a study that says, oh, hey, well, this study says that immigrants increase wages.

02:09:49.000 If you're the supply and demand guy, then tell me how.

02:09:52.000 Increasing the supply of labor will somehow increase the price.

02:09:56.000 I mean, you know that when you get more of something, you're going to get a lower price.

02:10:00.000 Because you assume there are assumptions with the supply and demand, especially.

02:10:05.000 So, first, you assume that the kind of labor supply is uniform, right?

02:10:08.000 You know, late uniform in terms of skills and uniform in terms of necessity, in terms of like, can the pie grow in terms of labor necessity if you have increased demand?

02:10:18.000 And that's what I thought with the Borja study I thought it would be interesting if he looked more into the ripple effect of how money interacted further, right?

02:10:26.000 How, you know, capital investment, stuff like that affected people who are native here.

02:10:33.000 And when it comes to the labor market, you usually have people in the United States, native born citizens who are in the middle of the labor market.

02:10:41.000 They have middle skills. 1.00

02:10:42.000 And then people who are coming from immigration, they are coming from either extremely low skill or extremely high skill. 1.00

02:10:48.000 So they aren't necessarily competing for the exact same jobs. 1.00

02:10:50.000 And then when they do come here and they create a demand, they're creating a job for, or a job or two for every job that is quote unquote taken.

02:10:57.000 So you might see the direct effect.

02:10:59.000 But you're not looking at the indirect job creation that comes from it.

02:10:59.000 Right.

02:11:02.000 But I don't see how that makes sense when, you know, in a lot of cases, you see, for example, like H 1B visas.

02:11:08.000 And, you know, those are like temporary work permits, but, you know, often they become permanent.

02:11:12.000 You've got tech companies that are bringing in people to do the same jobs that Americans do.

02:11:17.000 Often you'll have the American employee training the replacement.

02:11:21.000 And then, you know, Amazon will hire that employee at a much lower wage.

02:11:26.000 And, you know, you can look at this with H 1B, you can look at it with high skilled or low skilled.

02:11:30.000 You know, I just don't.

02:11:32.000 And to me, this is really just like basic and simple stuff.

02:11:36.000 You cannot have an endless, and it is endless when you're talking about Mexico and Central America and China and India.

02:11:43.000 You said it earlier.

02:11:44.000 They've got a billion and a half people in China, a billion people in India.

02:11:47.000 They've got 150 or whatever million people in Mexico.

02:11:51.000 It's an endless supply of labor. 0.73

02:11:53.000 However much you need, it will be there and it will be expendable.

02:11:56.000 And wherever they're coming from, they're going to earn a higher wage in America doing just about anything than they would be at home doing the exact same thing or something else.

02:12:05.000 And so at that point, it becomes a question of, you know, if you have an endless supply of labor, what's the incentive? 0.90

02:12:12.000 Is your incentive to hire Americans or to raise wages, or is it to hire cheap foreigners and cut wages when you absolutely can and when you have limitless potential to do so?

02:12:22.000 I mean, to me, that is, and obviously it's limited by certain things. 0.93

02:12:25.000 You know, it's limited by the government only gives out so many H 1Bs and they cost a little bit of money.

02:12:30.000 But the point being is that, you know, I just don't, it just doesn't make much sense to me the idea that, like, oh, well, you're going to get this huge supply of labor.

02:12:39.000 But actually, it doesn't decrease the price because of reasons. 0.76

02:12:43.000 Because, well, indirectly, the money that Amazon saves from hiring a foreigner is going to be reinvested, and I don't know. 0.67

02:12:51.000 The gains are going to be so great. 1.00

02:12:53.000 I don't buy it.

02:12:54.000 Yeah, I wasn't necessarily saying that this theory is absolute on its own.

02:12:57.000 I was saying that this kind of thing I put out there would explain the kind of studies that MJ was bringing up.

02:13:04.000 Yeah, I think that's all I'm saying.

02:13:06.000 That's the methodology that you were asking for before.

02:13:09.000 About, like, that's why those sort of studies would go up, right?

02:13:14.000 And, like, here's my understanding, right?

02:13:16.000 If we can see an economic benefit from immigrants, right?

02:13:19.000 And if on top of that, we can concede, right, that immigrants really, like, overall immigration does not increase crime rates, right?

02:13:26.000 No, I disagree with that.

02:13:26.000 I disagree with that.

02:13:27.000 Disagree with why?

02:13:28.000 Why? 1.00

02:13:30.000 I think that immigrants absolutely bring more crime. 1.00

02:13:32.000 And the only reason why you might find the studies that otherwise. 1.00

02:13:35.000 Wait, yeah, here, here, wait, wait.

02:13:36.000 Before you're going to say that, I just want to disprove what you're about to say.

02:13:39.000 If you're comparing it to the overall American population, you're right.

02:13:44.000 But if you subtract blacks from that number, then you're wrong. 0.87

02:13:47.000 And therein lies the difference. 0.53

02:13:49.000 Why would you do that? 0.59

02:13:50.000 Why would you subtract blacks from that number? 1.00

02:13:51.000 Because blacks are exceptionally, their criminality in the black community is exceptional compared to whites and browns. 1.00

02:13:59.000 Why does that sound like a black guy? 1.00

02:14:01.000 Because we don't want to bring in people. 1.00

02:14:03.000 Because we don't want to bring in people. 1.00

02:14:04.000 Wait, wait, wait. 1.00

02:14:07.000 Yeah, totally true. 1.00

02:14:08.000 When they're burning the fucking flag and they're wearing African. 1.00

02:14:10.000 Garb and all that. 1.00

02:14:11.000 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

02:14:12.000 If you're trying to establish that there's.

02:14:14.000 But the point being is this we don't want to bring people over that are comparatively less criminal than the most disproportionately criminal population in the country or arguably in the world.

02:14:26.000 We want to bring in people that are comparatively low crime to the majority. 0.92

02:14:30.000 But wouldn't black people be in this uniform American culture, though, that you established earlier? 0.98

02:14:35.000 Well, why wouldn't people, especially who have been here since 18? 0.95

02:14:35.000 No, absolutely not. 0.95

02:14:40.000 Well, I explained it earlier because.

02:14:42.000 You know, it's and that's actually that actually proves the point.

02:14:46.000 They've been here for 500 years, you know, some of them, or 400 years.

02:14:51.000 Um, to be 400 years, I guess 1619, that's a new thing.

02:14:54.000 So almost 400 years on the dot. 1.00

02:14:56.000 And what we find is that, you know, not only do blacks have like a totally different culture than us, and they just do, but they don't even identify with us. 1.00

02:15:05.000 And that's the biggest component of assimilation is sure, they speak English, but I mean, obviously they have their own slang, they have their own dialect. 1.00

02:15:13.000 I almost just said it right there.

02:15:14.000 They have their own dialect.

02:15:16.000 I almost said it right there.

02:15:17.000 They dress differently, they listen to different music, they have a totally different culture.

02:15:22.000 And what's more is they don't even see themselves.

02:15:26.000 As an archetypal American. 1.00

02:15:28.000 That is why you see like 60%, I don't even know what it is for blacks.

02:15:32.000 I think it's like 80 some percent support for a group like Black Lives Matter.

02:15:35.000 That's why they support things like taking a knee for the national anthem.

02:15:38.000 That's why they support taking down statues of Washington and Jefferson.

02:15:41.000 That's why like 85% of them believe that Trump is racist and 97% of them vote for Barack Obama, it's because they're not assimilated.

02:15:48.000 Yeah.

02:15:49.000 Well, well, then aren't you kind of establishing that this American culture is just, again, this isn't, I'm not calling you anything, it's just old European culture at that point?

02:15:58.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:15:59.000 Okay, well, that would have been helpful.

02:16:01.000 Yeah, okay.

02:16:02.000 Okay, well, a different point I'd like to make is then let's look at specific crime rates.

02:16:06.000 Like, for example, child sex, right?

02:16:08.000 Child sex crimes, right? 0.99

02:16:10.000 Like violation, you know, child rape, right?

02:16:13.000 If you look at the United Kingdom, for example, which is the thing that I want to bring up because everybody loves bringing up what is it again? 1.00

02:16:19.000 The Pakistani rape gangs, right? 0.95

02:16:21.000 If you look at rape in general in the United Kingdom, right? 1.00

02:16:24.000 The CEO said that offenders in these cases often act in groups, which is true, right? 1.00

02:16:29.000 But it also said that Compared to the proportion of Asian people in the general population, they actually do less, right? 0.92

02:16:35.000 And when you actually look at total crime rates, most of it is committed by white people, which actually characterize about 70% of all rapes in the region, right? 0.64

02:16:46.000 Like, I guess that's just an example of showing, like, this is comparative to the white population in the UK, not the black population, not the African population, not the anything population. 0.81

02:16:55.000 We're comparing the white population. 0.67

02:16:56.000 We're not talking about the UK or child rape gangs in the UK. 0.97

02:16:59.000 We're talking about America. 0.66

02:17:00.000 No, no, no.

02:17:00.000 I'm just saying.

02:17:01.000 I'm just saying that's just an objective truth.

02:17:03.000 Right there, right? 0.99

02:17:04.000 Because well, I would, I don't know enough about the United Kingdom, but I would say that, uh, I mean, that's just completely bullshit. 0.99

02:17:10.000 I mean, and then this is the problem is we, we clearly, what wait, you don't know enough about it, but you call it complete bullshit, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 0.98

02:17:17.000 And here's why because we, we all the time, I mean, we see what's going on in these countries. 0.95

02:17:23.000 I mean, you see it in the news, you see it all over the place, and then you know, you're going to have liberals that will come up and say, well, you know, according to this study, you can't, you literally cannot believe what you're seeing. 0.97

02:17:34.000 I mean, these Pakistani rape gangs.

02:17:37.000 It's talked about everywhere and all over Europe, too, by the way. 0.98

02:17:39.000 It's gotten so severe in Germany and Sweden, they don't even report the statistics anymore.

02:17:44.000 They don't keep track of race.

02:17:46.000 And in some countries, they don't even publicly report them anymore.

02:17:50.000 I'm showing you the statistics with regards to race.

02:17:52.000 And like I said, I'm not completely familiar with that.

02:17:55.000 So if you're not completely familiar on something, then why are you trying to characterize an assumption based on race?

02:18:01.000 Because I know it's wrong.

02:18:04.000 I'm not completely familiar with the news stories you're talking about, so we're just going to.

02:18:07.000 I know they're wrong, bro.

02:18:09.000 Correct.

02:18:10.000 Okay, so are we just back on stage one where we're both at a middle ground? 0.99

02:18:14.000 Pakistani rape gangs don't exist because I don't know enough about what it is? 1.00

02:18:18.000 They do exist. 0.99

02:18:18.000 No, wrong. 0.99

02:18:20.000 Well, I don't know enough about it.

02:18:21.000 I don't know enough about it.

02:18:23.000 So we have to talk about America.

02:18:25.000 I mean, I happen to disagree on that, but the question is about immigration in America.

02:18:29.000 No, the reason why I'm saying is that that very same point could be then translated back into America.

02:18:34.000 I haven't looked into it in a while. 0.98

02:18:35.000 No, it can't because you're talking about child rape with Pakistani rape gangs, which is totally their own problem. 0.98

02:18:35.000 No, it can't. 0.98

02:18:41.000 If you're looking at the incarcerated population, In America, illegal immigrants, it's wildly disproportionate, wildly disproportionate for the population that they are.

02:18:50.000 And moreover, and as I said earlier, if you're looking at the crime data, the reason why you're wrong, and why I said I knew you were wrong before I even cited this statistic, this is what everybody says.

02:19:00.000 Well, you know, if you compare immigrants to the native population, immigrants commit less crime. 0.77

02:19:05.000 And that is only because you have this dramatic outlier that blacks, you know, black men in particular, are, you know, roughly 5% or 6% of the population, and they're committing more than half of the crime. 0.97

02:19:16.000 Okay, then what about this thing? 0.99

02:19:17.000 Okay, I understand.

02:19:18.000 Let's accept your point, right?

02:19:19.000 Let's accept your premise saying that. 1.00

02:19:21.000 Immigrants, right? 0.96

02:19:22.000 Immigrants commit less crimes proportional to their thing, right? 1.00

02:19:27.000 No, no, they commit more crime. 0.99

02:19:29.000 Rather, they commit more crimes proportional if compared with white America, right? 0.94

02:19:33.000 Yes. 0.99

02:19:33.000 So if we look at this and we say, like, immigrants make up what? 0.99

02:19:37.000 Like, undocumented immigrants, I'm looking at this like this, they make up what?

02:19:39.000 Like, 311 million of the population?

02:19:42.000 No, it's definitely not 11.

02:19:44.000 I mean, part of being undocumented is we really don't have an official number, but the estimates vary from about 11.

02:19:50.000 As far as I've seen, the most, like, Like, I've like the Pew Research puts it out.

02:19:55.000 No, no, it's closer to 20.

02:19:58.000 The Oxford Criminology and Criminal Justice puts it at 11.6.

02:20:02.000 It is not, it's been 11 million for 30 years.

02:20:04.000 That's that's 23 million.

02:20:06.000 So, what's the number from Harvard?

02:20:07.000 Where does that come from?

02:20:08.000 Those, I believe, that number is from Harvard.

02:20:11.000 Okay, what number?

02:20:12.000 Foundation for American Immigration Research says about 14.3 million since 2019.

02:20:20.000 The whole point is that there are people that estimate it's as high as 40 million, they're undocumented.

02:20:25.000 No, no, no.

02:20:26.000 Because if you're going to try to establish, if you're going to try to establish, if you're going to try to establish that there's, you know, 11 million people, like even the moderate people, like this guy said earlier, it's like 13 or 14 million.

02:20:39.000 That number has been in the low teens of millions, obviously, for like 20 years.

02:20:46.000 And you can get estimates that range from between 11 to 40 million.

02:20:51.000 So, you know, before you go and say that, oh, there's only 11 million illegal immigrants in the country, it's important to establish, inherently, the problem is that, you know, there's.

02:20:58.000 We have no idea how many there are.

02:21:00.000 But on top of that, you know, the numbers that you're giving is totally wrong and outdated.

02:21:06.000 Okay, so we don't know what they are yet.

02:21:08.000 The numbers that I'm giving are wrong.

02:21:09.000 Yes, correct.

02:21:10.000 Because that number has been used for 20 years, in spite of the fact that we know that millions of people have been coming over every year illegally.

02:21:17.000 So how could that be possible?

02:21:19.000 We got 72,000.

02:21:19.000 Okay, millions.

02:21:21.000 Here's a Yale and MIT study.

02:21:21.000 Here it is.

02:21:24.000 Does Obama's mass amnesty affect that number at all?

02:21:27.000 Like make it go down?

02:21:28.000 No, no.

02:21:29.000 Because Obama didn't do a mass amnesty.

02:21:35.000 Okay, well, regardless.

02:21:37.000 Not on the scale that we're talking about.

02:21:39.000 Can we do 30 mil?

02:21:40.000 Can we just do 30 mil?

02:21:42.000 No, 22 million is the number we're working on.

02:21:44.000 Okay, we'll do 22 million, right?

02:21:45.000 So, what percentage of the population then are illegal immigrants?

02:21:48.000 22 divided by 316, right?

02:21:50.000 Yeah, do they make up about 7%?

02:21:52.000 I mean, according to Ann Coulter and Bear Stearns, one of the leading financial institutions in America up until 2015, according to Audios America, written by Ann Coulter, we're looking at probably 20 to 30. 0.89

02:22:08.000 Undocumented people. 0.75

02:22:10.000 Okay, so I don't see why that's irrational.

02:22:13.000 The number matters here because we're looking at it.

02:22:15.000 Of course, it matters.

02:22:17.000 So, what number do you guys want to use?

02:22:20.000 I'll take your number for this.

02:22:21.000 Let's do it.

02:22:21.000 You know what?

02:22:22.000 I'm very willing to have the hill that I live and die on being 20 million illegal immigrants. 1.00

02:22:31.000 Okay. 1.00

02:22:31.000 I think that's probably a low ball at this point. 1.00

02:22:34.000 I'm happy to go to the high ball if you guys want.

02:22:36.000 I'm more than happy to.

02:22:38.000 If you want, we'll do 30 million.

02:22:39.000 Like, I genuinely know.

02:22:40.000 No, no, no, no.

02:22:41.000 I think 20 mil is totally okay.

02:22:45.000 Whatever, let's just go off of that number.

02:22:47.000 Mill is like totally fair, so we can go off.

02:22:50.000 So that means that illegal immigrants make about 7.5% of our population, guys. 0.61

02:22:55.000 Guys, something huge, hey guys, something listen, something huge has happened.

02:22:58.000 Listen, listen, listen, something just happened.

02:23:01.000 Bosh, no, something huge has happened.

02:23:04.000 So after 17 years, the Supreme Court has permitted the federal death penalty to go back into effect.

02:23:11.000 Nice, good face, that's so lame. 0.99

02:23:15.000 Kill all the folks, that's so lame. 1.00

02:23:18.000 No, that's stupid. 1.00

02:23:19.000 That's not super. 1.00

02:23:20.000 We're not. 0.59

02:23:21.000 That's disgusting. 0.53

02:23:22.000 That's genuinely disgusting. 1.00

02:23:25.000 Are you from North Africa? 0.97

02:23:27.000 Aren't I from North Africa? 0.98

02:23:28.000 Nick, don't they chop heads on the wall. 0.99

02:23:31.000 I love how the wall birds are against it.

02:23:33.000 No, Because I'm from North Africa and because I realize that giving a government that much power to allow them to decide whether or not it's okay to kill somebody and giving the government the power of life and death is wrong, that's why I believe that maybe, maybe we shouldn't have the death penalty.

02:23:53.000 Because my home country, Algeria, had a dictator.

02:23:55.000 For about, if I'm not mistaken, from 1905 to about 2020.

02:23:59.000 Guess what this man did?

02:24:00.000 This man used the death penalty in Algeria to execute anybody who disagreed with him.

02:24:05.000 Oh, I thought you were talking about Libya.

02:24:06.000 I thought you were talking about Gaddafi.

02:24:09.000 I was going to say he used his power to fight the banks.

02:24:12.000 Death penalty is subjective.

02:24:13.000 I only support the death penalty under dictator Fuentes. 0.99

02:24:16.000 Hell yeah. 0.98

02:24:17.000 Yeah, we're all disrespectors.

02:24:20.000 I don't know.

02:24:21.000 I'll wait now. 0.94

02:24:23.000 Some of us need to be pretty.

02:24:26.000 If we support the death penalty, I don't think I'd pass.

02:24:30.000 I think you would be promoting the death penalty.

02:24:31.000 I don't know.

02:24:32.000 It depends on your crimes.

02:24:34.000 If you're like a typical libertarian, you're probably going to be a libertarian. 0.99

02:24:38.000 Death penalty is not being white. 0.99

02:24:40.000 My crime is not being white. 0.92

02:24:42.000 That did kind of completely change the topic.

02:24:44.000 Do we want to move on to that or do we want to keep discussing it?

02:24:47.000 Do you want to move on to death penalty?

02:24:50.000 I got a question for Nick really quick.

02:24:50.000 I'd love to.

02:24:53.000 Nick, what do you think about autocracy, whether it be By, like, a monarch or a dictator. 0.73

02:24:59.000 I'm in favor of it.

02:25:00.000 I'm in favor of authoritarianism.

02:25:03.000 Amen.

02:25:03.000 Authoritarians are only authoritarian when they're authoritarian.

02:25:06.000 MJ, why are you so surprised?

02:25:08.000 Like, what?

02:25:09.000 Yeah, I know I'm surprised, but, like, him saying it just hurt.

02:25:12.000 Why, bro?

02:25:13.000 Absolute monarchs.

02:25:14.000 We have to have a democracy.

02:25:16.000 No, we don't want a democracy either, my guy.

02:25:19.000 We don't want a democracy.

02:25:20.000 It's such a miscarriage. 0.99

02:25:21.000 I'm being gay. 0.99

02:25:22.000 I don't know if democracy is gay, bro. 0.99

02:25:24.000 Democracy is gay, bro. 0.97

02:25:24.000 Democracy is. 0.97

02:25:26.000 I have a pretty important question.

02:25:27.000 It's for animals.

02:25:29.000 Yeah, what? 0.82

02:25:30.000 Is Israel our greatest ally?

02:25:33.000 Okay, now you're just doing greatest hits. 0.91

02:25:37.000 Democracy, death penalty.

02:25:39.000 I think me and Nick actually agree on this point, though, when it comes to the rest of the country. 1.00

02:25:43.000 Well, yeah, because you're a based Muslim.

02:25:46.000 You too.

02:25:47.000 We have one struggle on this issue. 1.00

02:25:50.000 When it comes to Israel, I just don't like supporting genocidal nations. 0.86

02:25:54.000 I don't think y'all like supporting them.

02:25:56.000 Ah, but you support it for cringe reasons, not based reasons.

02:25:59.000 Yeah.

02:26:01.000 I don't support government manipulation of money.

02:26:07.000 What does that have to do with Israel?

02:26:09.000 I don't want my money being taxed away from me to go into Israel.

02:26:13.000 Wait, wait, wait. 0.51

02:26:16.000 What about all the poor Holocaust victims, bro?

02:26:19.000 Oh, God.

02:26:21.000 Oh, God.

02:26:22.000 No.

02:26:22.000 Is that through direct causation of America interference?

02:26:25.000 I think not.

02:26:29.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:26:30.000 We can all agree, Israel, shilling for Israel is gay. 1.00

02:26:36.000 I agree. 1.00

02:26:37.000 I think it's just stupid. 1.00

02:26:39.000 Shilling for Israel makes you a sodomite. 1.00

02:26:42.000 Based. 0.77

02:26:43.000 Was that Nick Videos with the base take?

02:26:47.000 Bro, he's gone full circle, my guy.

02:26:51.000 I'm surprised he hasn't somehow been in all four quadrants by now of the political compass.

02:26:56.000 I've been in a couple quadrants.

02:26:58.000 I was in the bottom right, now I'm top left, epically.

02:27:01.000 Oh, that's such a why.

02:27:04.000 Wait, you're in the top left quadrant.

02:27:08.000 We're in the top left?

02:27:10.000 Yeah.

02:27:12.000 What?

02:27:14.000 Wait, yeah, we're both in the.

02:27:14.000 Yeah, I'm in the.

02:27:16.000 Most, yeah.

02:27:18.000 Most economic nationalisms are, like, tough.

02:27:20.000 Yeah, that's true.

02:27:22.000 The problem is the political compass is just, like, not, it does not adequately reflect political reality in the 21st century.

02:27:31.000 Because it's the unique, like, cultural and identity axis.

02:27:34.000 This distinction about, like, size of government and even economics.

02:27:37.000 I mean, economics is maybe more relevant, but size of government to me is just a joke. 1.00

02:27:42.000 Yeah, and the questions are stupid. 0.99

02:27:44.000 So, Nick, I just have one question. 0.99

02:27:45.000 I don't want to get too.

02:27:46.000 Sidetracked on immigration, but just kind of surrounding this idea, just for sake of argument, so we can know if even discussing economics or anything other than social cohesion is even relevant.

02:27:56.000 If we were to accept the premise for hypothetical, I mean, I personally believe this based on research I've done that immigrants are a net positive to the economy.

02:28:03.000 But even so, even if we accepted that, would you still not be for it due to the social ramifications you necessarily see? 0.98

02:28:10.000 Yeah, even if it was an economic boon, I would still say.

02:28:13.000 So, us to discuss economics is basically irrelevant when it comes to.

02:28:17.000 Yeah, and I said that earlier.

02:28:18.000 I said that the primary concern is.

02:28:20.000 So, I mean, I guess that wasn't really a thing we needed to discuss at the time discussing.

02:28:20.000 Okay.

02:28:27.000 But, all right.

02:28:28.000 Well, okay, then.

02:28:29.000 Let's move to crime, then.

02:28:31.000 Again, I was making a point before we realized that. 0.97

02:28:34.000 I was making a point before we realized that the Supreme Court decided to pretty much allow the government to fucking do whatever it wants. 1.00

02:28:44.000 Pretty gay. 1.00

02:28:45.000 Well, I don't think they can just kill anybody, I think they have to kill certain people. 1.00

02:28:51.000 Which is not a globalist. 0.97

02:28:57.000 The one that God deems a target.

02:28:58.000 Oh, God.

02:28:59.000 God will set the target.

02:29:01.000 Yeah, because in the name of religion, you've never seen that before.

02:29:04.000 Romans 13, the ruler does not bear the sword for no reason.

02:29:09.000 He has the sword, folks.

02:29:09.000 Hell yeah.

02:29:12.000 But you guys want the president to be just like some gay bureaucrat. 1.00

02:29:12.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:29:15.000 You probably don't even want a president.

02:29:17.000 You're like, meh.

02:29:19.000 You want a non-existent.

02:29:20.000 I don't believe in the existence of a president in an objective society. 0.99

02:29:24.000 Yeah, that's slame.

02:29:26.000 The president should be the one who gets out of his little motorcade, waves his hand, goes rah rah America on the 4th of July, and then everyone goes back to their lives as if the president.

02:29:34.000 Yeah, sorry. 0.79

02:29:35.000 I want men to act prima nocta and rule.

02:29:38.000 Proud and terrible.

02:29:40.000 There's no need for democracy.

02:29:41.000 Yeah, until he doesn't support what you support.

02:29:44.000 But he will.

02:29:45.000 And then when that happens, we have to make sure that that happens.

02:29:49.000 Wait a second.

02:29:50.000 Who gave this guy so much power?

02:29:52.000 All over the internet.

02:29:53.000 Yeah, but that's just it.

02:29:54.000 That's just the problem, it's like, well, if we win.

02:29:58.000 We can't win because, you know, then the other team might win.

02:30:01.000 It's like that, it is imperative that we win.

02:30:03.000 I mean, you know, if the enemy is in control, you know, it doesn't matter.

02:30:07.000 We need to be in control.

02:30:08.000 That's the whole point.

02:30:09.000 Just deport everybody who disagrees with them.

02:30:11.000 Yeah.

02:30:12.000 Or just be generous.

02:30:14.000 Because you were talking a little bit about another reason why you were against certain forms of immigration was because they like vote overwhelmingly, you know, for democratic policies and things like that.

02:30:23.000 But wouldn't you say that a larger threat to that would be necessarily the white liberal, the natural born citizen who votes probably for those policies and even over. 0.73

02:30:32.000 They're already here. 0.62

02:30:33.000 They're already here.

02:30:34.000 Well, well, I'm going to go into the blue because of what.

02:30:36.000 Why wouldn't you want to talk about it?

02:30:37.000 And the African Americans you're talking about are already here as well.

02:30:40.000 Yeah, I know.

02:30:41.000 I know.

02:30:42.000 They're adding to their voter base.

02:30:44.000 Do you understand that?

02:30:45.000 I mean, they've got white liberals.

02:30:46.000 They've got 97% of the blacks. 0.78

02:30:48.000 We agree.

02:30:49.000 And so they're trying to add more Democrats.

02:30:52.000 It's addition.

02:30:53.000 They're adding them into Texas, Arizona, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, flipping strategic states.

02:31:00.000 Okay, okay, okay. 0.91

02:31:00.000 Nick, Nick, hypothetically, if we were to put this in place, this is not what I support, but just for sake of argument, if we were to support a plan in which first generation immigrants would not be able to vote. 0.91

02:31:12.000 Would you be then okay with that? 0.94

02:31:14.000 No, because that's second generation immigrants will vote. 1.00

02:31:16.000 Well, yeah, but we also look at, I mean, the assimilation of second generation immigrants. 1.00

02:31:20.000 But they don't assimilate. 1.00

02:31:21.000 How about nobody vote after? 0.96

02:31:23.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:31:25.000 Nobody votes.

02:31:26.000 I'm done with that.

02:31:27.000 Remove democracy.

02:31:28.000 Any dominant democracy.

02:31:30.000 Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick. 1.00

02:31:32.000 For example, like Cubans, right? 1.00

02:31:34.000 Nick, Nick. 1.00

02:31:35.000 Just one second. 1.00

02:31:37.000 Cubans, right? 1.00

02:31:38.000 Or like other Latin American groups.

02:31:41.000 Some of them vote predominantly.

02:31:44.000 Republican, that's because they associate the Democratic Party with socialism.

02:31:48.000 They don't want to put socialism, and they honestly don't care about the immigration policies.

02:31:52.000 And they're allowed to look over the immigration policies of the Republican Party and say, okay, they can say, okay, it's okay that they don't like immigrants like us, as long as we don't get the commons that they see as a government.

02:32:06.000 It's not about like.

02:32:07.000 It's not even that we don't like them. 1.00

02:32:09.000 And anyway, the thing about Cubans. 1.00

02:32:12.000 Let me finish my point. 0.99

02:32:14.000 I'm saying, like.

02:32:15.000 That's here is brilliant.

02:32:16.000 If you look at Africans, right, especially Africans like myself and my parents, right, we are very right leaning, right?

02:32:22.000 Like, my dad would vote for the Republican Party.

02:32:24.000 Yeah, you're very right leaning.

02:32:25.000 That I can tell.

02:32:26.000 Well, here's the thing.

02:32:27.000 Here's the thing.

02:32:28.000 MJ, my dad would vote for the Republican Party a whole lot.

02:32:31.000 You're a cringe libertarian. 1.00

02:32:31.000 Shut up. 1.00

02:32:34.000 My dad would vote for the Republican Party like a thousand times a day. 1.00

02:32:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:32:36.000 Well, the GOP is gay. 1.00

02:32:38.000 We need people that are right wing. 0.97

02:32:39.000 The issue here is that the reason why a lot of people don't vote for the Republican Party, especially us, is because you're anti immigrant.

02:32:46.000 So it's kind of like you're shooting yourself in the foot.

02:32:48.000 But that's because you see yourselves as immigrants and not Americans. 0.99

02:32:51.000 That's the whole point. 1.00

02:32:53.000 You should see them as immigrants and not Americans. 1.00

02:32:55.000 You see them as you yourself. 0.96

02:32:56.000 You just said the reason that we don't vote for Republicans is because they're anti immigrants.

02:33:01.000 Yes.

02:33:01.000 No, Nick, it's because people like you.

02:33:05.000 Isn't immigration an action?

02:33:07.000 So if you're anti immigration, anti the action of immigrating, it's regardless of whether you consider yourself American or not, you're anti the action that got them to the country.

02:33:14.000 The Republican Party's not even anti immigrant.

02:33:17.000 I mean, the Republican Party hasn't been anti immigrant for decades.

02:33:20.000 In comparison, no.

02:33:21.000 Oh, in comparison, no.

02:33:23.000 Donald Trump said in the State of the Union in 2018 that he wanted to bring in more legal immigrants than ever before.

02:33:32.000 And that's Donald Trump, the great immigration hawk, the great native.

02:33:35.000 Than ever before?

02:33:35.000 Give me a minute.

02:33:36.000 You really take that man's hyperbole for his word.

02:33:39.000 Okay, but the point how do you make the case that he's anti immigrant?

02:33:43.000 His immigration proposal from Kushner does not cut immigration by one immigrant, it just makes it merit based as opposed to family based.

02:33:49.000 The GOP is not anti immigrant.

02:33:51.000 I wish they were, but they're not.

02:33:52.000 And that's just it. 1.00

02:33:53.000 If immigrants are voting based on.

02:33:55.000 How Republicans consider immigrants, and they're on the side of the immigrants. 0.79

02:33:59.000 It's like that just proves the whole point. 1.00

02:34:01.000 They're not properly assimilated, and we don't need any more of them.

02:34:04.000 They're not properly assimilated, but Nick, what defines assimilation? 1.00

02:34:07.000 I'm trying to say that the way that they got into this country is bad, right? 0.87

02:34:11.000 Like, your premise here is like saying, your premise makes no sense here because what you're saying is that they're not properly assimilated because they don't agree with me, right?

02:34:20.000 The only reason they don't agree with you is because you're attacking the very way that they got into this country.

02:34:24.000 Like, what do you expect, Nick?

02:34:25.000 Here's the deal, Jack.

02:34:27.000 If you were to drop the anti immigrant rhetoric, I promise you, I 100% promise you, you would see an uptick in every single immigrant group, not even going for the Republican Party.

02:34:40.000 Let's forget whether or not the Republican Party is or isn't anti immigrant on paper, right?

02:34:44.000 Because regardless, the portrayal there is that they're still anti immigrant.

02:34:48.000 If you were to drop the anti immigrant stuff, you would see a massive demographic switch from all demographics to go towards voting more right.

02:35:00.000 Because guess what?

02:35:01.000 Immigrants are more right leaning. 0.72

02:35:02.000 We like tax cuts. 1.00

02:35:04.000 We don't like social security.

02:35:05.000 Oh, but that's not right wing.

02:35:07.000 I don't know.

02:35:08.000 Oh, come on.

02:35:08.000 Let me finish.

02:35:09.000 How long do I have to listen to this nonsense?

02:35:11.000 We don't like socialism.

02:35:14.000 We don't like these ideas.

02:35:15.000 We are right leaning culturally.

02:35:17.000 Like, come on now.

02:35:18.000 Like, you said so yourself.

02:35:19.000 Muslims are right leaning socially.

02:35:23.000 So are most Africans from actual, like, from like Southern Africa.

02:35:27.000 Most are Christian.

02:35:29.000 Yeah, most of them are like traditionally Christian or traditionally Muslim, which are very right leaning cultural beliefs, right?

02:35:35.000 Like, Nick, I don't think you know how much you are similar to most of the immigrants that you hate.

02:35:42.000 Not that you hate, rather.

02:35:43.000 I'm sorry.

02:35:44.000 See, there it is.

02:35:45.000 There it is.

02:35:46.000 No, Nick.

02:35:46.000 I'm curious, though.

02:35:47.000 I mean, would that be a mischaracterization?

02:35:50.000 Yeah, absolutely.

02:35:51.000 And then it's so telling that you assume that I do hate immigrants.

02:35:54.000 I don't hate immigrants.

02:35:55.000 It's not a question of like, love, hate, anything like that.

02:35:58.000 Regardless of what I assume, the portrayal is there, right?

02:36:00.000 Would you agree that the portrayal is there?

02:36:02.000 Absolutely not.

02:36:03.000 And here's the thing you know, we all have to be adults and grow up.

02:36:07.000 And what part of being an adult is, is that, you know, we're not so sensitive to these things.

02:36:12.000 And you talk about assimilation, and I'll tell you what's not assimilated. 0.91

02:36:15.000 It's not assimilated for a foreigner, a foreigner, to come to America and then start making demands about pandering. 0.99

02:36:22.000 Well, I'm not going to vote for you because, what, we won't pander to immigrants? 0.99

02:36:26.000 Sorry, we're the party of Americans, not foreigners. 0.99

02:36:29.000 And you ask, you know, what made somebody assimilated?

02:36:31.000 My ancestors immigrated here four generations ago.

02:36:34.000 I don't think of myself as an immigrant.

02:36:36.000 And my parents don't think of themselves as an immigrant.

02:36:38.000 Four generations ago.

02:36:39.000 But moreover, but moreover, wait, But moreover, my ancestors, when they got on this land, they kissed the ground when they got here and they considered themselves.

02:36:50.000 Americans.

02:36:51.000 And that is not the case with this current class of people. 0.85

02:36:54.000 And it's not the case of their, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, I listen to your nonsense for 20 minutes.

02:36:59.000 Let me finish my point here. 0.96

02:37:01.000 You know, there's this whole like indignant attitude about, well, we just need to pander more to immigrants.

02:37:06.000 It's also not true.

02:37:07.000 George W. Bush, this was his great gamble, you know, compassionate conservatism.

02:37:12.000 He let in, what was it, 8 million immigrants, legal and illegal, in the first five years of his presidency.

02:37:20.000 And how have Republicans been rewarded from this?

02:37:22.000 I mean, we don't even get more than half. 0.65

02:37:24.000 We don't even get more than half of Hispanics. 0.93

02:37:26.000 And the great gamble with George W. Bush's immigration plan was that if we would just bring them all over and get soft on them and so on, bless you, then we were going to win them all over the ballot box. 0.89

02:37:39.000 And it didn't happen. 0.67

02:37:40.000 And we pander to blacks, we pander to Hispanics, we pander to immigrants, even Trump did.

02:37:45.000 And as much as he was against illegal immigration, and they still voted Democrat.

02:37:49.000 And the thing is that it's not just about ideology.

02:37:51.000 You know, these people are coming over here, and you say, well, they're right wing because they want, like, lower taxes.

02:37:55.000 Well, I mean, who wants to pay more taxes?

02:37:57.000 It means more to be right wing than just to be against high taxes.

02:38:01.000 There's more to being right wing than being against, like, socialism.

02:38:05.000 And you're seeing that play out right now.

02:38:07.000 It's about statues.

02:38:08.000 It's about holidays.

02:38:09.000 It's about heroes.

02:38:10.000 It's about our founders.

02:38:11.000 It's about our culture, our heritage.

02:38:13.000 You know, is it loving America when you come over here?

02:38:14.000 But who's doing that?

02:38:16.000 You're bringing up.

02:38:17.000 Who's demanding that the statues be removed?

02:38:19.000 Right wing didn't even originally. 0.92

02:38:21.000 Those are not immigrants.

02:38:22.000 And first of all, I'm going to say, as somebody who's unfairly portrayed or By your regards.

02:38:28.000 Somebody who, like, I think you'd understand optics better than anybody else.

02:38:33.000 Like, just because you do something doesn't mean that the optics of said thing are going to show off.

02:38:38.000 Because guess what?

02:38:39.000 George Bush might have shown off his compassionate conservatism, right?

02:38:43.000 The Democrat Party attacked him on that point and said, oh, no, you're actually anti immigrant.

02:38:43.000 But guess what?

02:38:47.000 And George Bush failed to prove to the American public why it's a dumb rationalization. 0.97

02:38:52.000 It's all about optics. 0.97

02:38:52.000 Guess what? 0.97

02:38:54.000 And the Republican Party has just failed at delivering genuine optics. 0.96

02:38:57.000 We just have to be more visibly pandering to foreigners. 0.98

02:39:00.000 Nick, Nick. 1.00

02:39:01.000 You have to be more visibly pandering.

02:39:01.000 Yes, yes.

02:39:03.000 Politics is pandering.

02:39:05.000 You're acting like you're on some moral high ground by saying, oh, I'm not going to pander.

02:39:10.000 Is why the Republican Party is about to lose Texas and why they've lost California and why they're going to lose this coming up election. 1.00

02:39:16.000 See, this moral high ground of no pandering is so stupid. 1.00

02:39:19.000 You're totally missing the point, man. 1.00

02:39:21.000 This is just like total smooth brain stuff.

02:39:24.000 The point is, if you're going to come over here and be an American, yeah, yeah, 100%. 0.55

02:39:29.000 Because if you're going to come here and be an American, the whole point is that you clearly are still thinking as a foreigner when you say something like, well, I'm not going to vote for Republicans because they haven't pandered to immigrants.

02:39:40.000 You're saying it's a perception problem.

02:39:42.000 Wait, wait, wait.

02:39:43.000 You're saying.

02:39:44.000 Hold on.

02:39:45.000 You're saying.

02:39:46.000 Wait, are you an immigrant, by the way?

02:39:48.000 No, I'm speaking from their perspective.

02:39:50.000 Well, you know, our friend over here from Algeria just said a moment ago he just said that he would be more inclined to vote Republican or whatever, but they have this anti immigrant rhetoric.

02:40:02.000 And here's the thing you got to come here. 0.95

02:40:04.000 You got to come here and assimilate. 0.99

02:40:06.000 I don't see myself as an immigrant because I'm not one.

02:40:09.000 I'm a native.

02:40:09.000 And I'm not looking out for immigrants.

02:40:11.000 I'm not looking out for.

02:40:12.000 Anything like that, I'm looking out for America. 0.97

02:40:14.000 I'm perfectly fine with pandering to natives, to people that are Americans. 0.99

02:40:18.000 Which Americans? 0.92

02:40:19.000 By the way, I have a question. 0.85

02:40:21.000 I have a question.

02:40:22.000 After this, Bush, by the way, actually gained the Hispanic vote over Al Gore after that election.

02:40:28.000 What was the percentage?

02:40:29.000 If I'm not mistaken.

02:40:32.000 You're wrong about that.

02:40:33.000 We haven't won a majority of Hispanics in this century in the presidential election.

02:40:33.000 You're wrong about that.

02:40:38.000 Which Americans are you concerned about?

02:40:41.000 I'm talking about all Americans. 1.00

02:40:42.000 I know that's a very loaded, gay left wing. 0.99

02:40:44.000 You're not concerned about non white people. 0.99

02:40:47.000 No, no, no.

02:40:48.000 I'm concerned about American citizens.

02:40:50.000 No, but it's a loaded question.

02:40:51.000 I know where you're going with that. 1.00

02:40:52.000 I'm concerned about native born Americans.

02:40:55.000 We are the Native Americans.

02:40:56.000 I'm not concerned about people in Mexico.

02:40:58.000 Oliver can tell you that. 1.00

02:41:00.000 How about children who are born from immigrant parents?

02:41:03.000 Oh, you mean anchor babies?

02:41:05.000 You mean they're born on the land and now they're one of us?

02:41:07.000 I don't think so.

02:41:08.000 They adhere to your definition, do they?

02:41:10.000 No, they really don't.

02:41:11.000 A nation isn't just lines on a map.

02:41:13.000 Well, no, but that's what Nick said.

02:41:15.000 Native born Americans.

02:41:17.000 What I'm talking about is real native born Americans. 0.99

02:41:19.000 I'm talking about Americans that have been here for generations, not people that crossed over to the end zone and dropped a fucking baby over the border. 0.99

02:41:27.000 That's very different. 0.96

02:41:28.000 And what it means to be an American is not just citizenship, it's not just that you're on the land.

02:41:33.000 What it means to be an American is that you love this country and all of its history and its people, and you see yourself as a part of it. 1.00

02:41:39.000 And clearly, immigrants do not. 0.97

02:41:40.000 Clearly, these immigrants that are coming into the Southwest aren't you openly pandering right now to people who would consider them Americans? 0.90

02:41:49.000 Your entire movement is America First.

02:41:51.000 Isn't that openly?

02:41:52.000 Pandering to win some sort of political game. 0.99

02:41:54.000 Like I said, like I said, I mean, that's just like a total idiotic objection because the point is not about pandering. 0.99

02:41:59.000 I mean, this is just like a very low IQ, like comeback. 0.98

02:42:06.000 The point is not about pandering in itself.

02:42:09.000 The point is about American politicians bending over backwards to appease foreigners, to appease people that spiritually or in terms of their citizenship, you know, whatever you want to qualify it as, bending over backwards, excuse me, as representatives of this country.

02:42:24.000 To appeal to foreigners. 0.98

02:42:26.000 It's inappropriate. 0.99

02:42:27.000 In the same way that I don't want the American president to bend over backwards to appease, or whatever word you want to use, pander to people living in Mexico now, I don't want the president to bend over backwards and appease people that lived in Mexico yesterday, walked across the border, and dropped a fucking baby in Texas. 0.98

02:42:42.000 Nick, this is the same thing. 0.98

02:42:44.000 Nick, you were clearly lying.

02:42:45.000 You were talking about George Bush.

02:42:47.000 George Bush actually gained the Hispanic vote after his first term.

02:42:52.000 That's not true. 0.97

02:42:53.000 That is true.

02:42:55.000 When the 2000 election was going on, I'm pretty sure.

02:43:00.000 George Bushman got 35 of the vote, and I'm pretty sure after his first sum in 2004, he got like 40 to 45%.

02:43:07.000 That's the whole point.

02:43:09.000 That's the whole point. 0.99

02:43:13.000 Even letting in 8 million people in five years, we didn't even win the majority of Hispanics. 0.99

02:43:19.000 We didn't even win the majority.

02:43:20.000 And we didn't win that many in 2008, and we didn't win that many in 2012, and we didn't win that many in 2016.

02:43:26.000 And mark my words, we're not going to win that many in 2020.

02:43:28.000 We're probably going to get a little bit more because we got 27 in 2016, but that's exactly the point.

02:43:33.000 No, because that's not happening.

02:43:35.000 So I can't realize something that's not happening.

02:43:39.000 Look what you're saying.

02:43:40.000 Look what you're saying, right?

02:43:41.000 No, I see what I'm saying.

02:43:42.000 I think you don't see what I'm saying.

02:43:44.000 One sec.

02:43:44.000 Wait, one sec.

02:43:45.000 These immigrants, right?

02:43:47.000 You're saying these immigrants are.

02:43:49.000 They should see themselves as American.

02:43:50.000 They should care about America.

02:43:52.000 They should love America, right? 1.00

02:43:53.000 And then at the same time, they'll turn around and you'll say, oh, our president shouldn't appease these foreigners. 0.72

02:43:59.000 If you want them to be American, at least treat them like Americans.

02:44:02.000 That's the argument that's being made. 0.99

02:44:03.000 But that's exactly it.

02:44:04.000 I mean, you clearly.

02:44:05.000 And you just said this a moment ago.

02:44:07.000 You just said, well, you know, immigrants need to be pandered to as immigrants. 0.60

02:44:11.000 And, you know, I'll tell you, my America First message, I'm sure it appeals to people that consider themselves Americans. 1.00

02:44:16.000 It's only foreigners who, by being alienated by my rhetoric in the first place, I mean, in the fact, they are proving themselves to be foreigners. 0.99

02:44:24.000 Wait, Nick, are you saying the only people who are opposed to your message are immigrants? 1.00

02:44:27.000 No. 0.70

02:44:28.000 I'm saying the only people that are opposed to my message are people that don't love America and don't want to push America.

02:44:32.000 Well, then why don't we start treating immigrants? 0.57

02:44:34.000 Well, then we can start treating immigration more as an act and then.

02:44:37.000 You know, making them you're treating them as Americans, they're not immigrants, they're not foreigners when they come here.

02:44:42.000 Immigration is the act, you know, you can say that. 0.92

02:44:45.000 But an immigrant comes here, and by virtue of them being on the land, it doesn't make them American.

02:44:49.000 I know, but the thing is, you're asking them, doesn't make me Chinese, yeah.

02:44:52.000 But you're asking them to consider themselves American, yeah.

02:44:56.000 You're asking them to consider it.

02:44:58.000 Are you trying to give them an impossible equation?

02:45:01.000 Let's try and keep it one at a time, guys.

02:45:03.000 Let's try.

02:45:04.000 What is the objection?

02:45:05.000 What clearly feels like you're kind of giving them an impossible problem, so they can't solve this.

02:45:10.000 You're saying they should treat. themselves more like Americans so that they should declare themselves Americans so that they can get your respect.

02:45:18.000 But no, they can't be Americans because they're foreigners and immigrants. 1.00

02:45:20.000 I'm saying they're not Americans. 1.00

02:45:22.000 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

02:45:23.000 I'm saying they want them to assimilate. 0.83

02:45:24.000 Okay. 1.00

02:45:25.000 Do you guys all just want to talk and say that I hate minorities and just talk over me?

02:45:30.000 I never said you hated anybody, bro. 0.92

02:45:32.000 Everyone just apply that.

02:45:32.000 Okay, sure.

02:45:34.000 Listen, one at a time.

02:45:36.000 One at a time against him, okay?

02:45:37.000 We cannot have five people going at him at once.

02:45:40.000 One at a time.

02:45:41.000 Believe me, I don't like the rhetoric.

02:45:43.000 I don't like the rhetoric that goes against your movement where you guys are like hatred.

02:45:47.000 I don't support that.

02:45:48.000 I don't support that.

02:45:49.000 I don't think you're hatred towards anybody.

02:45:52.000 Well, they're wrong.

02:45:53.000 I'm sorry.

02:45:54.000 Well, the point being is this the point being is it's very simple. 1.00

02:45:58.000 We don't need any more immigrants. 1.00

02:46:00.000 That's not more complicated than that. 1.00

02:46:01.000 We don't need any more immigrants, and we don't need to pander to immigrants. 1.00

02:46:04.000 That's the other thing. 1.00

02:46:05.000 We don't need to pander to people.

02:46:08.000 The genesis of this conversation was about voting.

02:46:11.000 The point is simply this immigrants come here and they vote left.

02:46:14.000 And their kids vote left. 0.62

02:46:15.000 Their kids vote left more than they do, specifically Asians, but also Hispanics. 0.71

02:46:19.000 Immigrants come here and they vote left, and then their kids vote left. 0.94

02:46:22.000 And you could say, well, you could win some of them if you give 8 million people entry into the country in five years. 1.00

02:46:27.000 I don't want to do that.

02:46:28.000 But they come here and they vote left.

02:46:30.000 And you're saying, well, but you could make them vote right.

02:46:32.000 And it's like, well, why would we do that?

02:46:34.000 Why would we bring in because we're kind of getting away into other areas.

02:46:38.000 But let's just bring it back to the practical question, which is immigrants are coming here and they're voting left.

02:46:43.000 And why are they voting left?

02:46:44.000 They're voting left and they're voting for a party that is now explicitly anti American, against American values, against the Constitution.

02:46:51.000 Any way you want to cut it, they're against America.

02:46:53.000 And so, why would we bring in more people, whether we can win them or we can't win them?

02:46:57.000 We have to pander, but visibly and significantly, whatever it is, we're bringing over people that are leftist.

02:47:03.000 We're bringing over people that are voting Democrat.

02:47:04.000 It's causing us to lose elections.

02:47:06.000 That's how we lost California.

02:47:07.000 That's how we're losing Texas.

02:47:09.000 That's how we lost Virginia.

02:47:10.000 Why would we continue to do that?

02:47:12.000 Why would me, as a Republican, continue to allow the Democrats to bring in voters to continue to vote their party in?

02:47:18.000 It doesn't make any sense to me.

02:47:20.000 This isn't even like a sound argument because the problem with the two party system is independent of immigration.

02:47:27.000 Oh, brother.

02:47:28.000 Yeah.

02:47:28.000 So, right.

02:47:29.000 Well, we bring in a million immigrants a year. 0.79

02:47:31.000 I'm going to try and dismantle the two party system. 0.93

02:47:33.000 That's clearly not the idea.

02:47:34.000 Well, I think the idea is not how many people you're letting in.

02:47:39.000 I think it's the fact that you consider them.

02:47:42.000 It would be, and then you might hate on me for saying pandering, but it would be helpful to consider them say you're coming here and you're becoming Americans.

02:47:50.000 And this party, this Democratic Party, they're anti American.

02:47:53.000 They're anti what you're coming here to stand for.

02:47:57.000 What are they coming here to stand for? 0.99

02:47:58.000 I mean, when people come from Central America, when people come from Mexico over there, they're economic migrants. 0.97

02:48:04.000 We're talking about illegals.

02:48:06.000 We're talking about economic migrants, whether they come from an overstay visa from Asia or they come here by crossing the border in the South, they're economic migrants.

02:48:15.000 I mean, they're not coming here out of any ideology of like, you know, the adventure of a lifetime and, you know, this rugged individualism. 0.55

02:48:22.000 They're coming here because they're peasants in Mexico and they come here and they're able to live and have a decent standard of living.

02:48:27.000 I mean, let's not pretend it's anything more than. 0.91

02:48:29.000 Naked economic self interest.

02:48:31.000 So, you know, this kind of pitch of like socialism, it didn't work in 16.

02:48:35.000 It didn't work in 12, 8, 4, 2000.

02:48:37.000 It doesn't work.

02:48:38.000 And these people come over here and they vote that way because they perceive the Democrats as the party of non whites.

02:48:44.000 I mean, it worked in 2000.

02:48:46.000 It worked in 2000.

02:48:47.000 Oh, did we win the majority?

02:48:50.000 No, but there was a 10% increase.

02:48:52.000 Doesn't that show that if you were to be like, if you were to pander to them that you were like pro immigration, that they would vote Republican?

02:49:01.000 But why do that?

02:49:03.000 I mean, why would we do that?

02:49:04.000 I just don't understand that we have a people.

02:49:06.000 If you look, there's Pew Research on this.

02:49:08.000 Why do we?

02:49:09.000 One in 10 legal Hispanic immigrants identifies Republican.

02:49:12.000 One in 20 illegal Hispanic immigrants identifies Republican. 0.77

02:49:16.000 Why would we bring people over here that have not voted for a Republican in the majority in this century for president to bring them over here and then try to win them over when we could just simply not have them here and have the native population, which has been here for generations, Determine the outcome of elections as opposed to, you know, because it's clearly a game that the Democrats play. 0.95

02:49:37.000 They bring in immigrants to Texas and Arizona. 0.83

02:49:39.000 That's what they did to California. 1.00

02:49:40.000 And then they dominate the state.

02:49:42.000 It has happened.

02:49:42.000 We've seen it happen.

02:49:44.000 And you guys are arguing that it should continue.

02:49:46.000 And, you know, now the onus is on us to convert them.

02:49:49.000 It just doesn't make any sense.

02:49:51.000 If I can respectfully come in right here, right?

02:49:54.000 So what you're saying here, right?

02:49:55.000 So what you're saying here simply is that we can't pander to these immigrant groups, right? 0.93

02:50:01.000 And we have to treat them in a way. 0.71

02:50:04.000 Right, in this specific way, because they vote against us because we don't pander to these immigrant groups. 0.86

02:50:12.000 You're shooting yourself in the foot. 0.99

02:50:13.000 I don't see how you don't see this point.

02:50:15.000 Right?

02:50:15.000 Like the argument here, like you're saying, we can't bring them in because they'll vote against us, right?

02:50:20.000 But by not bringing them in, you're making them vote against you.

02:50:24.000 But if we don't bring them in, they can't vote against us.

02:50:26.000 But if you don't bring them in, they can't vote.

02:50:28.000 They don't vote against you.

02:50:29.000 I think Nick's arguing that if you take away the gun, you can't shoot yourself in the foot.

02:50:32.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:50:33.000 We don't have to steer the gun away from ourselves if you don't have a gun pointed at your head, which is the whole point.

02:50:39.000 Yeah.

02:50:40.000 Okay, Nick, but I don't think the voting necessarily is what you're worried about because if we look at the necessarily when it comes down to.

02:50:47.000 Hypothetically, if they were to vote Republican, would you still be anti immigration?

02:50:51.000 Yes.

02:50:53.000 But I said this earlier.

02:50:55.000 The question was about, you know, somebody was asking this leading question about, well, what if they were European?

02:51:00.000 And I said, there's a variety of problems with the volume of immigrants we've been bringing in. 0.88

02:51:04.000 And I said, one of the problems with European immigrants is that they would vote Democrat anyway. 1.00

02:51:09.000 So voting is a big part of it. 0.99

02:51:11.000 Okay.

02:51:12.000 But that's not the exclusive or only or even primary part of it.

02:51:15.000 But it is an expression of the broader problem, which is that socially and culturally, They are not assimilable into the social fabric.

02:51:23.000 Okay. 0.63

02:51:24.000 So if we go back to this idea of the 2000 election, of the 2004 election, when it was 8 million more came in and there was about 10% increase in voting for the Republican Party, I think what we're failing to look at here is a majority of immigrants do not vote.

02:51:39.000 It's not like immigrants are a large voting block in this country.

02:51:43.000 So it's not like they will have this huge amount of sway that you're speaking of.

02:51:46.000 And also, a 10% increase on 8 million immigrants, in which Their voting block is incredibly small, is an incredibly substantial amount considering how little they vote.

02:51:56.000 So I don't think that is consistent.

02:51:58.000 But here's the thing I mean, you just don't know what you're talking about because the exact thing that I'm describing happened in California.

02:52:04.000 Ronald Reagan won California, I think it was three or four times between president and governor.

02:52:10.000 Nixon won it six times.

02:52:12.000 California used to be a hotly contested state and one that Republicans could carry and carry considerably easily.

02:52:19.000 Now we know that California is the most far left.

02:52:23.000 It is the most unwinnable state in the country for Republicans.

02:52:26.000 We know that every city is like this.

02:52:27.000 We know that the entire state is like this.

02:52:30.000 And, you know, this is not me saying this.

02:52:32.000 This is both Republicans and Democrats attribute that change to massive amounts of immigration.

02:52:38.000 And the same thing is happening to Texas.

02:52:40.000 They credit immigration for doing the same thing in Virginia.

02:52:43.000 It's happening in Georgia.

02:52:44.000 It's happening in Florida and all these swing states.

02:52:47.000 So it's not even a question of, you know, my imagination or anything.

02:52:50.000 I mean, this is something that has happened to these different states.

02:52:54.000 It's a matter of states and it will happen because, you know, Immigrants absolutely vote.

02:52:58.000 That's number one.

02:52:59.000 And number two, even if they don't vote, their kids vote.

02:53:01.000 And their kids, the children of their children vote, their grandchildren, and on and on.

02:53:05.000 You're planting a seed in here which can never be undone.

02:53:09.000 Immigrants come here and they have, on average, something like two and a half kids per mother. 0.99

02:53:14.000 That's the fertility rate.

02:53:15.000 Plus, they can bring over more immigrants because of family based migration. 0.91

02:53:18.000 So you bring over one immigrant and irreversibly you've brought in an entire family and then generations and it's exponential growth. 0.91

02:53:27.000 And that's not voters, that's not just voters, but it's also You know, people that are living in the country. 1.00

02:53:32.000 And I think that making these kinds of irreversible transformations demographically, this is something that we have to think very seriously.

02:53:41.000 And you keep saying, okay, okay, and it's obvious you're not hearing me.

02:53:44.000 This has to be thought about very seriously.

02:53:47.000 And this kind of like, oh, well, you know, what if they don't vote?

02:53:49.000 Oh, well, you know, what if we just pander to them? 0.99

02:53:50.000 I mean, do you understand the gravity of tens of millions of people coming in here and displacing the native population? 0.99

02:53:56.000 Do you really think it's as arbitrary as, oh, they just came from Mexico?

02:53:59.000 Why do you think Mexico doesn't work?

02:54:01.000 Why do you think all the countries in Latin America don't work?

02:54:03.000 How do you think you take people from a country that doesn't work and bring them to a country that does work, and they're going to be the same, better, and not be absolutely worse, and create the same conditions to prevail in their countries?

02:54:13.000 And why isn't it a serious question and worthy of concern?

02:54:17.000 We're just going to dismiss it and say, well, you know, maybe they'll vote right, maybe they'll vote left, but we just have to pander them more. 0.87

02:54:22.000 I mean, it's ridiculous.

02:54:24.000 No, I never mentioned that any of those were the case.

02:54:27.000 What I'm saying here, and I think as interesting as you keep saying they keep voting blue, I think when we're trying to figure out why they're voting blue, I think it one has to do with the sentiment that you're portraying, when I think there could be a very interesting sentiment that could be portrayed if we decide that, you know what, what if we welcome them as Americans?

02:54:44.000 What if we say, you know what it means to be American?

02:54:46.000 It means to be American is to have more rights.

02:54:48.000 Leaning values, not to have left leaning values.

02:54:50.000 The left is anti American.

02:54:52.000 They're anti you.

02:54:53.000 We are pro American.

02:54:54.000 And as Americans, we are going to welcome you in and help foster a society that shares our values.

02:55:00.000 It's a beauty of America.

02:55:01.000 It's turning other cultures into the American. 0.99

02:55:04.000 That's not the beauty. 1.00

02:55:06.000 Yeah, we're so pro American, we're going to let in immigrants that aren't American. 1.00

02:55:10.000 The theorists don't sound American. 1.00

02:55:12.000 But you're missing the point.

02:55:13.000 No, it's not the point of America. 1.00

02:55:15.000 The point of America is not to bring in immigrants. 1.00

02:55:17.000 Nick, would you say I'm an American? 0.99

02:55:18.000 Who are I don't know who you are.

02:55:21.000 Would you say what constitutes an American to you?

02:55:24.000 Great question, Nick.

02:55:25.000 What constitutes an American to you, Nick?

02:55:27.000 I told you earlier, what constitutes an American?

02:55:30.000 Well, I think that it's a difficult question, but I'll tell you what's not American. 1.00

02:55:35.000 And that's bringing over millions of foreigners that don't speak the language, millions of people that will never assimilate, and turning America into a country that is majority non white. 1.00

02:55:45.000 I think that once you reach that tipping point and beyond, it ceases to be a. 1.00

02:55:49.000 Stop, stop.

02:55:50.000 You know, here's the thing.

02:55:51.000 You cannot.

02:55:52.000 Have and engage in a good faith discussion and just be waiting to say the next thing.

02:55:57.000 This is why none of you are understanding this.

02:55:59.000 Okay, okay, okay.

02:56:00.000 Well, now I'm going to tell you about how America's great because we're going to pander to more immigrants.

02:56:05.000 The point is this whether they vote Republican or don't vote Republican, what's the gamble? 1.00

02:56:10.000 We're gambling on our entire civilizational inheritance.

02:56:14.000 And that's not an exaggeration to say that.

02:56:17.000 Everything that makes America great very easily could be lost when you switch out the population for another one. 0.98

02:56:23.000 When you take a population from Europe. 0.99

02:56:25.000 That built up Germany and Britain and France and Italy and all those great countries and put them in America, a lot can be lost when you remove those people and now put in place the people that built Nigeria and the people that built Brazil and the people that built Mexico and India. 0.84

02:56:40.000 And I don't think anybody understands the gravity of that.

02:56:45.000 Maybe they'll vote Republican.

02:56:46.000 Yeah, sure. 0.99

02:56:47.000 Let's say they all vote Republican and they all vote for lower taxes and more immigrants. 0.97

02:56:51.000 What happens when they don't or if they don't? 0.99

02:56:53.000 What happens even if they do, they still dramatically change the standards of living and the quality of life in the country?

02:56:59.000 Are we willing to make that gamble?

02:57:01.000 And moreover, why would we have to? 1.00

02:57:03.000 Why is the onus on me to prove why we should not have millions of foreigners move here? 0.98

02:57:09.000 And the onus is not on anybody else to prove the benefit to the American people of bringing millions and millions of foreigners here. 0.93

02:57:14.000 Is it because the GDP will grow?

02:57:16.000 Is it because the cost of goods will go down?

02:57:18.000 Because, you know, I don't think that, even if that happened, I don't think that would be worth risking our civilizational inheritance.

02:57:24.000 Because, you know, my ancestors lived in this country when it was a great country.

02:57:28.000 And America is no longer a great country. 0.98

02:57:30.000 And I think that's in large part due to immigration. 1.00

02:57:32.000 And we should figure out what we're doing here before we try any more of this experiment.

02:57:36.000 All right.

02:57:37.000 I'm going to ask you again what constitutes an American to you?

02:57:41.000 What characteristics make an American? 0.99

02:57:44.000 That's a dumb question. 0.99

02:57:45.000 I'm asking you. 0.98

02:57:47.000 The characteristics that make somebody an American, I think that it's really not about what makes an individual an American.

02:57:53.000 It's about what makes America America. 0.95

02:57:55.000 Because here's the thing we've had, for example, blacks in this country for 500 years or 400 years. 1.00

02:58:03.000 And I don't think that blacks are the same kind of American as whites are, frankly. 0.99

02:58:08.000 I think that they are American in the sense that they've been on the North American continent. 0.99

02:58:12.000 I think that they're American in the sense that they've been under the sovereignty.

02:58:17.000 They've been subject to the sovereignty of the American state.

02:58:20.000 But is somebody.

02:58:22.000 What's that noise?

02:58:23.000 I don't know what it is.

02:58:24.000 I apologize.

02:58:25.000 I don't know what it is. 0.77

02:58:27.000 But in any case, their language, their culture, their values, almost everything about them is distinct from white Americans. 0.58

02:58:34.000 It's not to say that they are unique in the sense that they have been on this continent as long as we have, and they've obviously had a very unique experience.

02:58:42.000 Because they were brought over here against their will as slaves and then experienced segregation.

02:58:47.000 So I will say they are unique.

02:58:49.000 I would say that you've got white Americans, you've got black Americans, which I think are American but distinct, and then I think you've got really everybody else. 0.92

02:58:58.000 It's not to say that non white or non black groups can't become American, but it is to say that if America as a whole becomes non white, it ceases to be American. 0.92

02:59:08.000 I'm a perfect example. 0.82

02:59:09.000 I'm a quarter Mexican, my father's half Mexican, and I would say that he's an American.

02:59:13.000 I think that he and his ancestors are qualitatively different.

02:59:17.000 Than the millions of immigrants that are coming over now, because the immigration now is qualitatively and quantitatively different than the immigration of some non black and non white minority groups that came here 100 years ago or prior to 1965.

02:59:31.000 And in large part, that's just, it goes back to the quantitative difference, it's just a numbers difference.

02:59:37.000 The number of non white immigrants that were coming here 100 years ago was marginal compared to the number of immigrants coming from Europe.

02:59:44.000 And what is the consequence of that? 0.95

02:59:45.000 It means that they are growing up in, around, embedded in white neighborhoods. 0.85

02:59:52.000 I think you could have a proper assimilation occurring. 0.93

02:59:54.000 The immigration that's happening now is that the volume is exponentially greater.

02:59:59.000 And not only is it greater, but they're moving to the same places.

03:00:03.000 They're geographically concentrated in the same cities, in the same Southwest, in the same region of the country.

03:00:09.000 They're all, whether they're Mexican, Puerto Rican, I know there's ethnic differences between them, but they're all speaking the same language.

03:00:16.000 And moreover, because of the contiguity of Mexico with America, it's very.

03:00:22.000 It's much easier for them to maintain a connection to their culture than it is for other immigrants. 0.87

03:00:26.000 And that's just one example. 0.65

03:00:28.000 But the point being is that you could say that a Mexican can become an American, a Chinese person can become an American, but America cannot become a Mexican, Chinese, African country and still be America.

03:00:39.000 I think that's the distinction.

03:00:42.000 Right.

03:00:42.000 So I guess when it comes down to it, so it's a combination, one part race, or the other one would be cultural or societal values.

03:00:53.000 Would you say that there are many white people who do not hold values that you would consider to be American?

03:00:53.000 I mean, you would.

03:00:59.000 I mean, many people on the left, many leftists, would you say, who support the disrespecting of the flag, as you would say, by kneeling for the anthem or even burning the American flag?

03:01:09.000 Would you say that they're not Americans, or would you say they are Americans?

03:01:12.000 I would say they're not Americans, but not in the same way.

03:01:16.000 So what makes them not Americans? 0.80

03:01:16.000 Okay. 0.80

03:01:19.000 Their values? 0.88

03:01:20.000 No, because here's the thing America is a European country. 0.98

03:01:25.000 I mean, the character.

03:01:26.000 And the composition of the country up until recently is European.

03:01:30.000 And the thing is, is that I believe that only Europeans can perpetuate American civilization, which means, in other words, even if every American was a leftist today, barring immigration, there's a potentiality where in three centuries, you know, you're still going to have a European nation and they're not going to be leftist and they will still have the capacity to perpetuate European civilization. 0.79

03:01:53.000 If you switch out that population with Hispanics, I don't think there's a scenario where. 0.94

03:01:57.000 300 million Hispanics on this land perpetuate American civilization. 1.00

03:02:01.000 Okay, Nick, so who would you rather have in this country? 0.92

03:02:04.000 A white European leftist or a Hispanic proud American who supports all the values that you support? 0.62

03:02:11.000 Probably a white European leftist, honestly.

03:02:13.000 Why?

03:02:14.000 Because, and I just explained this because, you know, even if a left wing white person isn't expressing America's values now, they still have the potential to perpetuate American civilization in the future. 0.51

03:02:25.000 Because you're not talking about one white person and one Hispanic.

03:02:29.000 You're talking about genes, you're talking about generations.

03:02:33.000 And so, You know, America, if it loses that European character, it doesn't get it back and it ceases to be America at that point.

03:02:40.000 You could call it whatever you'd like America 2, you know, postmodern America, Latin America, whatever you want to call it, but it won't be the same country. 0.69

03:02:48.000 And so, even if you have, and don't get me wrong, it's not to say dislike, you know, non white Trump supporters or non white conservatives or anything like that, but it's simply about the composition of the country, which is to say that you cannot replace the population of the country and have the same country.

03:03:04.000 It's not to say that you can't have people that are not.

03:03:07.000 European, but it is to say that everybody cannot be not European.

03:03:11.000 The majority can't be not European.

03:03:12.000 I don't know why that's difficult to understand.

03:03:14.000 People get hung up on this because, you know, then, you know, you're talking about, well, is that guy not an American?

03:03:21.000 Is that guy not an American?

03:03:22.000 We're talking about America and we're talking about the composition of the country.

03:03:26.000 If we were talking about one Mexican Trump supporter, it'd be whatever, but we're not.

03:03:30.000 We're talking about 70 million immigrants in 60 years, which is a big difference.

03:03:34.000 And we're not talking about one person.

03:03:36.000 We're talking about America.

03:03:37.000 We're talking about the whole country. 1.00

03:03:39.000 So that's why I said it's a stupid question earlier. 0.97

03:03:41.000 I think it's useless to get hung up on the weeds on that because it's really not about an individual because we're not dealing with individuals. 0.99

03:03:48.000 We're dealing with millions and millions of people on a civilizational level.

03:03:52.000 And we're talking about a demographic transformation that's occurring over generations.

03:03:59.000 Does that make sense?

03:04:00.000 Or does that, or do you just want to follow that?

03:04:01.000 No, no, no, that makes sense.

03:04:02.000 Well, an American eats hamburgers.

03:04:04.000 Well, okay.

03:04:05.000 Well, I think the place I differ here is I think that, and I would be curious to hear why exactly you feel that.

03:04:12.000 Race is so determinant on the perpetuation of cultural values.

03:04:17.000 But I would necessarily say that if someone of a different race supports all of the values that you support, and hypothetically, what if the demographics were switched?

03:04:28.000 What if the only determinant variable factor was race and all of the ideologies that these Hispanic people held, or in your opinion, were held by white people and the values that are traditionally held by white people were held by Hispanics?

03:04:42.000 Would you switch your position to support more of the Hispanics because they inherently hold the technical European culture that you necessarily support? 0.98

03:04:53.000 That is a stupid question because then they would be Europeans. 1.00

03:04:56.000 I mean, that's the whole point. 1.00

03:04:57.000 The whole point is that people are not interchangeable.

03:05:01.000 That's the entire point Hispanics and Europeans are not interchangeable.

03:05:07.000 All the different groups of people in the world are not interchangeable.

03:05:09.000 I don't believe that you can bring Mexicans over and just because they believe the same things as us, that you're going to get the same outcomes.

03:05:17.000 Because you know what? 1.00

03:05:18.000 Everything south of the Rio Grande, with some exceptions, is a shithole. 0.92

03:05:22.000 And where do you find the exceptions? 1.00

03:05:23.000 Argentina, where they have a massive Italian and German population, some neighborhoods in Brazil where it's the same.

03:05:29.000 Just about everything south of the Rio Grande, all these countries, and you could find rich neighborhoods and beaches and resorts, but you wouldn't want to be in any of these countries south of the Rio Grande. 0.84

03:05:42.000 And that is because they're violent, because they're poor, because they're corrupt.

03:05:47.000 And you know what these societies look like?

03:05:49.000 They look just like the societies that predated European colonization on this continent.

03:05:54.000 And I don't think that's a coincidence.

03:05:55.000 You cannot separate people's tribe from the outcomes and the nations that they create.

03:06:01.000 In the same way that you get the same outcomes all throughout Latin America, you get the same outcomes all throughout Europe, you get the same outcomes all throughout Sub Saharan Africa, you get the same outcomes throughout most of East Asia, and there's a little bit more diversity there.

03:06:12.000 But the point is the same it's that race, it's not everything, but it's not nothing.

03:06:18.000 And you people seem to think it's nothing.

03:06:21.000 Specifically, what about race do you think is determinant on, for example, political values?

03:06:28.000 I think that things like that are very subtle and I think that, for example, when we look at the political behaviors of Europeans, Europeans were once a barbarous, primitive people. 0.54

03:06:41.000 We were all primitive at one point.

03:06:44.000 But for a variety of genetic factors, and really through, I guess you could say, this idea of historically we sort of rose up over time, we've developed behaviors and attitudes and beliefs that are cultural and biological.

03:07:02.000 And I think that, you know, both genetic, I should say, and cultural, that have led to societies where we can have something like democracy.

03:07:09.000 You know, if you look at Latin America, one of the big problems is corruption. 0.63

03:07:14.000 Or you look at some of the people that come over here from Mexico, and one problem is like, you know, maybe laziness or general impropriety, you know, a different set of expectations for themselves. 0.60

03:07:26.000 And I think a lot of it is culture, but I think maybe the capacity to realize a lot of that culture can be genetic.

03:07:31.000 And specifically, what I'm referring to is so.

03:07:35.000 For me, I am a hereditarian.

03:07:37.000 I do sympathize and I understand where you're coming from.

03:07:41.000 However, we can take a more nuanced look at it.

03:07:44.000 So, for example, let's say look at the East Asian countries, which have a less corrupt system than even European countries.

03:07:53.000 True.

03:07:54.000 Most European countries. 1.00

03:07:55.000 If you look at Ireland and a lot of West European countries, these are really garbage countries. 0.99

03:08:01.000 Like, you don't want to live in Hungary. 1.00

03:08:04.000 Right?

03:08:05.000 Disagree.

03:08:06.000 No, you don't.

03:08:07.000 Disagree.

03:08:09.000 You're telling me what I want?

03:08:11.000 Well, look at the stats on it. 0.84

03:08:12.000 It's really gross. 1.00

03:08:13.000 It's a stupid palette. 1.00

03:08:15.000 Anyway, no. 0.99

03:08:16.000 You may want to live in Denmark, Switzerland, but Hungary has really bad stats.

03:08:21.000 Well, that's what I mean.

03:08:22.000 But I mean, that's kind of an extent.

03:08:24.000 What I'm getting at is someone's ancestral populations isn't necessarily indicative of the entire population, right?

03:08:35.000 We're not going to make an ecological fallacy, right?

03:08:38.000 One of the reasons why universities that literally 33% of The black population is from Nigeria is because the American immigration system is actually supposed to take the best from the world. 0.85

03:08:52.000 And so if America takes the best from the world, we can build up America. 0.90

03:08:52.000 Right. 0.90

03:08:57.000 Right.

03:08:59.000 Yeah.

03:08:59.000 But well, go ahead.

03:09:00.000 Are you finished?

03:09:02.000 The brain drain idea.

03:09:03.000 Why would you be opposed to that?

03:09:04.000 Well, here's the reason.

03:09:06.000 You know, and here's the other thing.

03:09:07.000 I'm not an IQ nationalist.

03:09:09.000 I think that because you're right.

03:09:10.000 I mean, Asian societies in many ways, and Asians in particular, possess traits.

03:09:17.000 That actually leads to more successful societies, some traits, than Europeans.

03:09:22.000 So I'm not like a white supremacist.

03:09:24.000 We're the only ones that create civilization.

03:09:27.000 It's not even a question of taking the best and brightest, because I understand that point, and I think that's a fair objection.

03:09:33.000 And this is why I get back to it's a question of the social aspect, it's a question of the identity aspect. 0.52

03:09:40.000 I think that let's say you swapped out America. 0.84

03:09:43.000 I mean, I'm speaking in terms of Latin Americans and Africans, because these are going to be the largest minority groups.

03:09:49.000 And are currently. 0.93

03:09:50.000 But let's say you swapped out the entire population with Asians. 0.98

03:09:55.000 I don't think civilization would collapse.

03:09:56.000 I think that Asians are competent, and I think they possess traits that lead to successful civilizations, and there's proof of that in Japan and South Korea. 0.79

03:10:05.000 But while that is the case, it wouldn't be America. 1.00

03:10:09.000 I mean, what you will have created is an Asian civilization. 0.82

03:10:15.000 And to me, it's not even a question so much of having the greatest civilization in the world, although I think that's what Europeans strive for.

03:10:22.000 I think it's a question of having a civilization that is ours.

03:10:26.000 Fundamentally, it's a question of.

03:10:28.000 You know, I love my home and I love my home the way it is.

03:10:32.000 And if you have other people, then you don't get that.

03:10:35.000 Are you arguing for like ethnostates specifically?

03:10:37.000 No, no, not at all.

03:10:39.000 Like a majoritarian?

03:10:41.000 Yeah, probably something closer to that. 0.55

03:10:43.000 So that would be like, for example, Israel is, you would say Israel is an ethnostate, I would assume, even though it's not an ethnic ethnostate, for example. 0.73

03:10:53.000 It just advances the political causes for Jews.

03:10:57.000 For example, would you apply that for the United States in your vision? 0.93

03:11:01.000 I don't think it needs to be more complicated than not having demographic transformation.

03:11:07.000 You know, I mean, to me, I think that it is, you know, and I don't want this to sound like a cop out, but we're talking about like European and American civilization being completely demographically transformed.

03:11:19.000 And like, do you have to put a word on that?

03:11:20.000 Oh, you're a white nationalist if what?

03:11:22.000 You're not in favor of 100 million more immigrants coming in in the next 100 years and demographically.

03:11:27.000 Well, you're not for mass immigration.

03:11:30.000 I don't think that's.

03:11:31.000 I know you're not in favor of that. 1.00

03:11:32.000 I'm just saying, you know, I would just say it's as simple as let's just stop bringing in immigrants and let's try to promote a country that is cohesive. 0.96

03:11:41.000 And I think the only way to do that is with an ethnic white core. 0.98

03:11:43.000 And I don't think that, you know, I don't want to kick out all non white people or anything like that. 0.89

03:11:47.000 But Nick, what? 0.98

03:11:50.000 So there are many European countries currently that are a majority white. 1.00

03:11:54.000 Correct.

03:11:56.000 I'm curious what.

03:11:58.000 Do you believe America is better than those countries or not?

03:11:58.000 Maybe you don't.

03:12:03.000 Well, I mean, I love America more because it's my home.

03:12:06.000 Okay, fine.

03:12:06.000 Why?

03:12:07.000 But what makes America better than a majority white nation in Europe? 0.62

03:12:12.000 Well, I think it's important to note that when we're talking about these countries, America was, what was it, 90% white in the 1960s? 0.89

03:12:22.000 Just currently.

03:12:23.000 And moreover, well, I would say that in terms of prospects for the future, I think that European countries have a better prospect for the future.

03:12:31.000 And European countries are smaller.

03:12:33.000 And European countries, I think, you know, in some ways, they obviously don't have the military we have.

03:12:39.000 And, you know, but I think that if you're looking at long term stability, I look at like Black Lives Matter, I look at what's happening on the border, and I'm like, yeah, I mean, this country, this country being the greatest country in the world, has an expiration date that is approaching.

03:12:53.000 So, you know, it's important to note that 50 years ago, this was 90% white country, and the 10% of blacks, I mean, they were discriminated against. 0.80

03:13:01.000 And I'm not saying that's a good thing or to justify it, but it is to say that.

03:13:04.000 In effect, you're talking about a massive superpower country that has virtually the same, effectively the same demographics as Europe.

03:13:12.000 But I mean, we're not talking about that now.

03:13:16.000 And also, you know, this isn't just at the border. 0.98

03:13:19.000 There, you know, people like, especially Latinos, are making ethnic enclaves just about everywhere in Southwest America. 0.97

03:13:27.000 And these enclaves, I mean, I define a nation as its inhabitant, not by like the landmass or lines on a map or anything. 1.00

03:13:34.000 Okay.

03:13:35.000 And although we may have.

03:13:37.000 Multi ethnicities in this country, the landmass, I don't all refer to them as being in the same nation or group of people because I define a nation as an ethnic group.

03:13:50.000 And Nick, I know you took a 23andMe or something like that, right?

03:13:57.000 So, for example, me, I'm Korean.

03:13:59.000 I technically have my own ethnostate, right?

03:14:02.000 The great country of South Korea, right?

03:14:05.000 Wouldn't you already have a majority?

03:14:07.000 Because, for example, I do think from your definition that you would support America being a political ethnostate for the advocacy of Europeans.

03:14:20.000 I would dispute that characterization, but.

03:14:23.000 Sure.

03:14:24.000 And it's semantic, I think.

03:14:26.000 But wouldn't you say you already have an ethnostate per se, or at least a majoritarian state already?

03:14:33.000 For example, if you are German or British, I'm not sure exactly what you are, but you already have countries designated for your ancestry.

03:14:46.000 The United States, while it was founded by Europeans, and one of the first immigration laws was explicitly pro European. 0.69

03:14:54.000 I do think America is different than the European countries, not just because of location wise, but because America wasn't necessary.

03:15:04.000 I don't think America necessarily is bound to racial aspects or racial quotas.

03:15:13.000 Well, I mean, it doesn't necessarily.

03:15:14.000 Is this kind of like an American exceptionalism thing? 0.58

03:15:18.000 Nobody can avoid racial quotas.

03:15:22.000 It's bound in our nature.

03:15:25.000 What do you mean?

03:15:25.000 Like, we are genetically required to.

03:15:29.000 Quote a piece or like, what do you mean?

03:15:31.000 We are genetically tribalistic, we're social animals, so I don't obviously have implicit bias, right? 0.93

03:15:38.000 You know, we're always going to have an easy way to see all the Asian kids sitting together at the table, you know, like we do have implicit bias, right? 0.94

03:15:48.000 But that doesn't mean it's a concern.

03:15:50.000 Obviously, we have, for example, we have bias for attractive people, right?

03:15:54.000 Attractive people are more likely to be hired, right?

03:15:57.000 Taller people are more likely to be hired or, or Successful or whatever you say, but we're not going to base your Americanism on how hot you are, you know.

03:16:09.000 Well, I mean, if I can rebut originally, because that's not really my.

03:16:14.000 I mean, I agree that we have in group preference, but, you know, the idea that, like, well, you know, Germany has a homeland and Europe has a homeland.

03:16:21.000 I mean, the question is about America, and, you know, it is an open ended question about whose is America, and you could say, well, you know.

03:16:30.000 Right, and you've been dodging it a little bit, but.

03:16:32.000 I'm not really dodging it.

03:16:33.000 I'm saying that.

03:16:36.000 I don't want to move to Italy because I'm not Italian.

03:16:39.000 I'm American.

03:16:40.000 I mean, I have Italian background.

03:16:41.000 I don't want to move to Korea because I'm American.

03:16:44.000 Sure.

03:16:46.000 But we're talking about prospectively what is America going to be and what's going to be best for America. 0.97

03:16:53.000 And I think that the best course for America is to limit and prevent this demographic transformation. 1.00

03:16:58.000 And maybe as a Korean or as an Asian, it would be in your interest. 1.00

03:17:02.000 I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but maybe you think it would be best if Asians colonized America or something like that. 0.96

03:17:09.000 You know, it's a battle for who gets to define America's future. 1.00

03:17:12.000 And I think that Hispanics and primates in their future would be a disaster. 1.00

03:17:16.000 If white people, on average, the vast majority of Europeans in America, whether it's from influence or from political ideologies, I think you would admit from Pew Research information that the vast majority of Europeans support increased immigration. 1.00

03:17:31.000 So if Europeans believe that this is the future for the country, would you just disagree with your people, for example?

03:17:38.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

03:17:40.000 But you would say if this matter is in the hands of the people because you're defining America as the people, the direction of the country as a whole would be going in a direction, and you would just be one of the outliers that says this is not what I want.

03:17:40.000 Okay.

03:17:57.000 Well, I mean, I'm an outlier, but it's really about it's less about it's sort of a complicated question because I'm not in favor of democracy or anything.

03:18:08.000 And I think that in as much as We love the American people and everything.

03:18:14.000 I also want what's best for America.

03:18:17.000 And I would say that, well, also, I don't even know if it's true that the majority of Americans are in favor of more immigration.

03:18:26.000 I think that just about, it's the opposite.

03:18:28.000 I think just about every poll that's on the right.

03:18:30.000 It's a recent thing.

03:18:31.000 So, for example, a couple decades ago, what you were right, but no, as of the last year, a majority of Americans, and I would assume Europeans, but I guess that could be wrong.

03:18:41.000 Do you support increased immigration?

03:18:44.000 I don't think that's true, but I don't have it right in front of me.

03:18:47.000 And I would say that historically, and I do know historically, just about every poll that's been done shows that Americans are not only not in favor of more, or, well, yeah, they're not in favor of more immigration.

03:18:58.000 I think that's never been a majority, but very few want to keep the status quo, and a lot of them want less immigration, specifically conservatives.

03:19:07.000 And, but in any case.

03:19:08.000 I will say you were right previously.

03:19:10.000 It's like Republicans should obviously be for less immigration if they want to keep.

03:19:15.000 Keep their political prospects.

03:19:17.000 California Democrats have obviously admitted that they're using immigration so they can get more votes.

03:19:23.000 Nick, I have a question.

03:19:25.000 If you want this to be a majority European country, why would you be against European immigration?

03:19:35.000 I literally explained this earlier.

03:19:39.000 I presume it would, I presumably, vote Democrat. 0.86

03:19:45.000 You know, Europeans coming here now, I think, would only accelerate the rate at which Democrats are going to reach this point where they can't lose and they're going to bring over more immigrants, and those immigrants won't be from Europe. 0.97

03:19:56.000 You know, they'll be from Asia and Latin America.

03:20:00.000 So you have no objection to the, I guess, people coming over other than the way they might possibly vote, not the same as, you know, from Latin American countries.

03:20:10.000 No, he was explaining how.

03:20:13.000 What?

03:20:14.000 How is this hard to understand?

03:20:15.000 I mean, Europeans, if they came over now, are going to vote. 1.00

03:20:19.000 In favor of mass immigration for non whites. 1.00

03:20:22.000 Wait, that.

03:20:23.000 Well, then why is that not happening in Europe?

03:20:26.000 It is happening in Europe.

03:20:27.000 It is happening in a lot of places, like whether it be, you know, like a lot of the Nordic countries have some of the most strict immigration policies.

03:20:33.000 That's not true.

03:20:34.000 Sweden, UK, Germany, France, Italy, you know.

03:20:39.000 Okay, Hungary is the one exception where they have like a borderline fascist government.

03:20:43.000 Austria.

03:20:44.000 And, right, Eastern Europe.

03:20:45.000 We're talking about Eastern Europe.

03:20:47.000 Switzerland, I don't think, has an extremely restrictive immigration policy.

03:20:50.000 Switzerland has really strict immigration policies.

03:20:51.000 I'm not familiar with Switzerland, but.

03:20:53.000 But the point being is that, and moreover, you know, even if in particular these countries have strict immigration policies, they're still getting in.

03:21:00.000 They're being let in in the Mediterranean.

03:21:02.000 They're being let in through Turkey, through Greece, obviously.

03:21:05.000 And it's only up until recently that some of these countries have started to put up a resistance.

03:21:09.000 But there's been legal immigration happening in Europe for decades.

03:21:13.000 You know, this is a recent phenomenon.

03:21:14.000 You had this giant surge because of the refugee crisis in 15.

03:21:17.000 But to say that there's not a migrant crisis in Europe, you could point out a handful of Eastern European countries.

03:21:24.000 Like you said, Austria, Hungary.

03:21:26.000 I mean, we're talking about the superpowers of the continent the UK, Germany, France, Italy, up until Salvini.

03:21:34.000 So, to say that, like, oh, well, you know, Austria's letting in less immigrants, come, I mean, that's just disingenuous.

03:21:39.000 Okay, so would you be in favor of letting in immigrants from countries that are not, you know, incredibly pro immigration?

03:21:47.000 That would necessarily hold the similar values to you? 0.94

03:21:49.000 No, Swiss people. 1.00

03:21:50.000 Okay, look, look. 0.94

03:21:51.000 So I asked Nick a question, Nate. 0.97

03:21:53.000 Swiss people who migrate.

03:21:55.000 Okay, I just asked.

03:21:56.000 I don't understand what is difficult about this.

03:21:59.000 I mean, the problem is we're taking this as like immigration as a given. 1.00

03:22:04.000 Immigrants coming here, they contribute nothing but problems on net. 1.00

03:22:08.000 The benefit that they bring is marginal compared to the problems. 1.00

03:22:12.000 If they come in here and they're from a non white group, in my belief, they're challenging the identity, the historic identity of America, and they're disrupting the social fabric. 1.00

03:22:21.000 If they're coming from Europe at this particular time because of the political climate in Europe and America, I think they'll vote for the party which is facilitating the aforementioned trend. 1.00

03:22:30.000 I don't know why this is difficult.

03:22:32.000 Nick, so then would you be in favor of removing those who vote for Democratic policies?

03:22:36.000 No, because they're citizens.

03:22:37.000 We're talking about preventing people from coming here.

03:22:40.000 Why is that a given that millions of people are coming here?

03:22:43.000 It shouldn't be a given.

03:22:44.000 But why would you not take that next step?

03:22:47.000 Because they have citizenship here.

03:22:50.000 So citizenship determines if you're American?

03:22:53.000 No, it doesn't.

03:22:54.000 But citizenship disallows you from deporting people.

03:22:58.000 So citizenship doesn't determine whether you're American, but you can't deport people if they're citizens because they're American.

03:23:05.000 That is the law.

03:23:05.000 When you're talking about what it means to be an American.

03:23:08.000 You're talking about something which is not a legal definition.

03:23:11.000 When you're talking about citizenship, we're talking about legal problems.

03:23:14.000 Okay, we're talking about legal problems.

03:23:15.000 This is your personal beliefs, then, not necessarily the reality.

03:23:20.000 If you could deport people who supported more immigration and leftist policies.

03:23:25.000 If I were in charge, there wouldn't be any voting.

03:23:27.000 Let's just get that straight.

03:23:28.000 We're talking about the reality that we're working with.

03:23:31.000 And in my view, deporting people that are citizens is just never going to happen. 0.95

03:23:36.000 But drastically limiting immigration, I think that that is in the cards. 0.72

03:23:40.000 Okay, I would contest the same way that you say deporting people who are citizens was never going to happen. 0.96

03:23:46.000 I think if we're going at it from a purely practical standpoint, I don't think this complete moratorium on immigration would happen.

03:23:53.000 Well, then we just disagree on it.

03:23:55.000 But there's no one.

03:23:55.000 Okay, okay.

03:23:56.000 But then if we get down to this idea, I guess so, if we're doing this for more of a thought experiment purpose and less for a feasibility, legality purpose, if you were allowed to, if you were Supreme Dictator Nick Fuentes of America, would you?

03:24:11.000 Want to remove necessarily people who supported policy.

03:24:15.000 I don't debate hypotheticals. 0.92

03:24:16.000 I think that's ridiculous. 0.98

03:24:19.000 You think that's ridiculous? 0.98

03:24:20.000 I'm not interested in hypotheticals. 0.94

03:24:23.000 Hypotheticals allow us to judge your logical train of thought.

03:24:27.000 Oh, really?

03:24:28.000 No.

03:24:29.000 I think it's uninteresting and I think it's unimportant what I would do.

03:24:32.000 Hypotheticals.

03:24:33.000 If I were in charge, things would be so drastically different.

03:24:36.000 And if we're talking about the hypothetical, I would have to assess our security posture and the military and the police.

03:24:44.000 You know, there would be a lot of things.

03:24:45.000 I'm interested in hearing all about that.

03:24:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:24:47.000 We're just interested.

03:24:48.000 You know, I don't understand why we can't argue with the facts.

03:24:52.000 What is, let me just ask you straight up.

03:24:55.000 What are you getting at with a question like that?

03:24:56.000 I'm just curious.

03:24:58.000 What am I getting at?

03:24:59.000 I'm genuinely curious.

03:25:01.000 What hypothetically I would do if I ran the country?

03:25:03.000 That sounds like remarkably irrelevant for the debate we're in.

03:25:06.000 Well, no, it's not remarkably irrelevant because you're pushing for policies that would support your type of ideology being in the White House.

03:25:15.000 This has nothing to do with ideology.

03:25:16.000 Ideally, correct.

03:25:17.000 This has nothing to do with ideology.

03:25:19.000 We're talking about policy.

03:25:21.000 We're talking about issues.

03:25:22.000 We're talking about policy.

03:25:24.000 So you would want your policies to be.

03:25:27.000 Yeah, and my policy is not removing people that are citizens.

03:25:30.000 Okay.

03:25:31.000 So you would never support that type of policy?

03:25:33.000 No.

03:25:34.000 Okay.

03:25:36.000 We just need to understand we're going to go in a policy debate, which is what this is.

03:25:41.000 You're just baiting me.

03:25:43.000 I mean, let's just stop baiting me.

03:25:46.000 You could do this thing and say, oh, no, no, I'm not asking a leading question.

03:25:49.000 I'm not politically implying it.

03:25:49.000 Oh, no, no, no, no.

03:25:51.000 I'm just leading it under a negative.

03:25:53.000 You said you wouldn't remove people who are legal citizens because they're legal citizens.

03:25:58.000 Yeah.

03:25:59.000 You know, that's circular.

03:26:00.000 Because that is.

03:26:01.000 Because that is against the law.

03:26:03.000 But laws stem from morals. 1.00

03:26:06.000 You want to make immigrants. 1.00

03:26:07.000 That's incoherent. 1.00

03:26:08.000 You want to change the law.

03:26:09.000 And you're asking a leading question based on something that I'm not saying.

03:26:12.000 We're talking about millions of people coming here every year.

03:26:16.000 And you're asking me questions about removing citizens because they don't vote a certain way. 0.67

03:26:20.000 I'm in favor of stopping this demographic transformation. 0.83

03:26:25.000 And that's it.

03:26:27.000 And that's it.

03:26:28.000 Okay?

03:26:30.000 Are you an immigrant, by the way?

03:26:31.000 Just out of curiosity.

03:26:32.000 What's your background on that?

03:26:32.000 Am I an immigrant?

03:26:33.000 I mean, we're.

03:26:35.000 We're all immigrants.

03:26:36.000 What's your background?

03:26:37.000 What's my background?

03:26:38.000 I am German and Irish and Scottish.

03:26:41.000 Okay.

03:26:42.000 So what's your problem?

03:26:42.000 So then why?

03:26:43.000 You think that we're going to create a great nation out of all these people throughout the world?

03:26:47.000 You think that it's going to be the same nation?

03:26:49.000 You know, let me just start asking you questions. 0.79

03:26:54.000 You think we can replace this population with a different population from another race or from other countries? 0.82

03:26:59.000 What do you mean by replace? 0.79

03:27:01.000 You don't replace means?

03:27:02.000 Well, no.

03:27:03.000 I want to know specifically what you're talking about, like, bringing in other types of people that would necessarily not.

03:27:08.000 Directly be identical to our demographic.

03:27:11.000 You understand what I'm saying.

03:27:12.000 You understand what I'm saying.

03:27:13.000 So, do you think that we can replace this population with a different population and get the same outcome? 0.93

03:27:20.000 To an extent, assimilation, yes. 0.88

03:27:22.000 Replacement and assimilation are different, in my opinion.

03:27:27.000 I believe that America is not specific to any type of race or group of people.

03:27:31.000 I think America is a shared set of values.

03:27:31.000 Really?

03:27:35.000 I think that's bullshit. 1.00

03:27:36.000 And I think that every other country in the world isn't like. 1.00

03:27:38.000 That.

03:27:39.000 I think that every other country in the world.

03:27:40.000 Well, yes, every other country is not like that.

03:27:42.000 And I think that America is no different.

03:27:43.000 And I think that the values America expresses are unique and exclusive to the people that generated them.

03:27:49.000 Why is it that no other country in the world has done similarly?

03:27:52.000 Why is it that Haiti got independence around the same time that we did and they are the poorest and one of the worst countries in the world?

03:28:00.000 And the same can be said about all the Central and South American countries too.

03:28:04.000 Because one is the worst country in the world. 1.00

03:28:05.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

03:28:06.000 If you can bring up Haiti, you have to understand that these people that revolted weren't like the Americans that revolted, you know, like.

03:28:13.000 What's their names?

03:28:14.000 Like the founding fathers, right? 1.00

03:28:17.000 Like the people in Haiti were genuine slaves. 0.98

03:28:20.000 It was a slave revolt. 0.72

03:28:21.000 It was not a revolt of the populace, right?

03:28:24.000 Like saying, oh, they got their independence around the same time.

03:28:29.000 This counts anything.

03:28:30.000 America's a larger country when we got independence.

03:28:32.000 We were like literally the state of New York is probably just as large.

03:28:36.000 They eat mud.

03:28:40.000 Yeah, guess why? 1.00

03:28:41.000 Because when French colonized them, they would literally exploit. 0.99

03:28:44.000 The land and what it was. 1.00

03:28:47.000 Every rationalization.

03:28:48.000 Let me finish.

03:28:49.000 Let me finish. 0.99

03:28:49.000 And when the Haitians revolted, when the Haitian slaves revolted, the land was already like so bad because the French were using it all up. 0.99

03:28:59.000 Like, your only argument is that. 0.95

03:29:00.000 And that happened in every single sub Saharan African country.

03:29:04.000 Okay.

03:29:06.000 What?

03:29:07.000 Yeah.

03:29:07.000 Sub Saharan.

03:29:08.000 Okay. 0.98

03:29:08.000 Let's go to Algeria, right? 0.98

03:29:10.000 My home country, right? 1.00

03:29:11.000 This is a country that you're talking about that has been literally, like, the best definition of it would be raped and pillaged by the French, right? 1.00

03:29:17.000 You're talking about. 1.00

03:29:18.000 Like they took our resources, they cut down all the trees that we had, which led to a high desertification.

03:29:23.000 They used our minimal arable land, which we had not much of, right?

03:29:27.000 And they overused it, over farmed it, right?

03:29:30.000 They built roads and built communities, right?

03:29:32.000 Which was great, but it was only for them, right? 0.99

03:29:34.000 It was only for the elite French and the elite Jews, the elite French Jews that were there, right? 0.90

03:29:40.000 And the elite French in general, right? 0.97

03:29:42.000 Like this idea of saying, oh, they eat mud, they eat mud, they eat mud. 1.00

03:29:45.000 All you're doing, Nick, is just screaming something for your fan base when in reality, guess what?

03:29:50.000 I'm not screaming for my fan base.

03:29:52.000 You're totally missing the point.

03:29:54.000 You're totally missing the point.

03:29:55.000 You don't live in reality. 1.00

03:29:57.000 You live in the reality where we're going to bring in people from mud countries. 1.00

03:30:00.000 And they're going to land on the moon. 1.00

03:30:01.000 Mud countries. 1.00

03:30:02.000 Are they mud countries? 1.00

03:30:03.000 Because they eat fucking mud. 1.00

03:30:04.000 And they live in mud. 1.00

03:30:05.000 They live in squalor.

03:30:06.000 That's a difference. 1.00

03:30:07.000 Are they mud countries? 1.00

03:30:08.000 They're mud countries because they've always been mud countries. 0.93

03:30:10.000 They were mud countries when we got into the interior of Africa in the 19th century. 1.00

03:30:14.000 They didn't have written language. 1.00

03:30:15.000 They didn't have a two story building.

03:30:16.000 They hadn't discovered the wheel.

03:30:17.000 And you think that's what, all the oppression they experienced without European contact?

03:30:21.000 They've never seen a two story building.

03:30:23.000 I doubt they'll be able to build one.

03:30:25.000 Nick, when you look at time, when you look at time, do you know the number three, four, five, six, seven, eight?

03:30:29.000 You know those numbers?

03:30:30.000 Do you know what they're called?

03:30:32.000 Yeah, yeah, I understand.

03:30:33.000 Proud Arabic history.

03:30:33.000 I understand.

03:30:35.000 Right, right. 1.00

03:30:36.000 Tell me about the Islamic Golden Age. 1.00

03:30:38.000 Yeah, the Islamic Golden Age. 1.00

03:30:39.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

03:30:40.000 The House of Babylon, the House of Wisdom, right? 0.93

03:30:42.000 Yeah, now they don't shit in toilets, so what does that say? 0.69

03:30:45.000 Nick, Nick, Nick, what about the most infamous library? 0.85

03:30:49.000 Do you think it's in Berlin or it's in Paris?

03:30:52.000 Do you know where the most infamous library is?

03:30:54.000 Tell me, tell me where it is.

03:30:55.000 Alexandria, Egypt, before it was burned down.

03:30:59.000 Alexandria, Egypt.

03:31:00.000 You're going to take credit for Alexandria.

03:31:02.000 Who is Alexandria named after?

03:31:04.000 Do you know?

03:31:04.000 It was after it was named.

03:31:07.000 I think that was before the Arabs got there.

03:31:09.000 Just saying.

03:31:10.000 I think Egypt existed before.

03:31:11.000 You think that existed before?

03:31:13.000 I think that existed before.

03:31:13.000 Yeah.

03:31:15.000 Alexander the Great renamed it after he burned down the library there.

03:31:20.000 But, point being, you're trying to take credit.

03:31:22.000 This is worse than what was said.

03:31:23.000 What about one of the richest empires in human history?

03:31:27.000 The Mali Empire.

03:31:28.000 Oh, give me a break. 1.00

03:31:29.000 That is the biggest crock of shit. 1.00

03:31:31.000 The richest man. 1.00

03:31:32.000 The historiography on that is so weak. 1.00

03:31:34.000 That is the biggest African. 1.00

03:31:35.000 Can cope. 1.00

03:31:36.000 I'm sure that came out of some black studies department 25 years ago. 0.81

03:31:39.000 Bro, richest man in history. 1.00

03:31:40.000 Bunch of bullshit. 1.00

03:31:41.000 Yeah, Matsumusa, give me a break. 1.00

03:31:43.000 They were so rich, that's why they don't have a wheel, right?

03:31:47.000 Nick, so far, I'm trying to understand your point here, but all you've been saying is, oh, give me a break.

03:31:53.000 You're not trying to understand.

03:31:55.000 You're not trying to understand.

03:31:56.000 Oh, Dylan Klebold. 0.94

03:31:57.000 He's showing porn. 1.00

03:31:58.000 Kick Dylan Klebold around. 1.00

03:32:01.000 Yeah, just kick him. 0.97

03:32:03.000 Why is corn not giving Dylan a break? 1.00

03:32:06.000 Matsumusa, give me a break.

03:32:08.000 What a cope.

03:32:09.000 Give me a break.

03:32:10.000 Oh, God.

03:32:10.000 Dude, man, he was rich.

03:32:11.000 He was rich when he went to Venice.

03:32:11.000 He was rich.

03:32:13.000 When he went to Venice, he got off the plane.

03:32:15.000 When he went to Venice, he got off the plane.

03:32:17.000 He spent so much money, he caused the runaway inflation in the city for five years.

03:32:21.000 According to whom?

03:32:23.000 According to the historians that wrote about it.

03:32:26.000 All right, right, right, right.

03:32:28.000 I'm sure the historiography on that is perfectly sound.

03:32:30.000 I'm sure.

03:32:31.000 How do you know, Nick?

03:32:32.000 Like, what?

03:32:34.000 Because all that stuff, because this is because, you know, you guys don't get it.

03:32:39.000 All of that stuff is just a giant.

03:32:42.000 Cope.

03:32:43.000 The idea is absurd on its face that you would have the richest man in the world.

03:32:49.000 He was so rich, he crashed the economy.

03:32:51.000 So rich that there's no historical record for any tribe in Africa. 0.88

03:32:56.000 What about algebra?

03:32:57.000 What about algebra?

03:32:58.000 What about it?

03:32:59.000 That's obvious. 1.00

03:33:00.000 Algebra was created by the Arabs. 1.00

03:33:02.000 I'm not talking shit about the Arabs. 1.00

03:33:03.000 I'm talking shit about Haitians. 1.00

03:33:07.000 I will concede that Arabs. 1.00

03:33:09.000 So you're saying Haitians.

03:33:11.000 You're saying Haitians. 0.93

03:33:12.000 You're saying Haitians are in the position that they are because of themselves, right?

03:33:17.000 And not because of actually being slaves and having their land like they were. 1.00

03:33:22.000 Correct.

03:33:23.000 Why were they slaves? 1.00

03:33:24.000 I guess God created the world and the Haitians were created eating mud. 1.00

03:33:24.000 Wow. 1.00

03:33:28.000 Or do you think that everything has an authority? 0.88

03:33:31.000 The Haitians were simply slaves just because the white Europeans were able to conquer them.

03:33:36.000 How? 1.00

03:33:36.000 How did they conquer them? 1.00

03:33:37.000 How did they conquer them?

03:33:38.000 They were so rich and intelligent.

03:33:40.000 How did they conquer them?

03:33:41.000 Do you mean to say because they had muskets and they were fighting against people with bows and arrows?

03:33:45.000 They had muskets.

03:33:47.000 Guess where gunpowder came from? 1.00

03:33:48.000 Fucking Asia. 1.00

03:33:49.000 I love it. 1.00

03:33:51.000 We have the multiracial Zoom call, so everyone's going to take credit for their invention. 0.94

03:33:55.000 Well, who built it?

03:33:56.000 I'm literally Hispanic, Nick.

03:33:58.000 I'm literally Hispanic.

03:33:59.000 All right.

03:33:59.000 Oh, yeah.

03:34:00.000 Well, Europeans didn't invent everything.

03:34:00.000 You got me.

03:34:02.000 You're right.

03:34:03.000 Europeans didn't invent everything.

03:34:04.000 What's your family?

03:34:05.000 Nick, what's your background?

03:34:06.000 My background?

03:34:07.000 Hey, guys, guys, guys.

03:34:09.000 No five people coming at it at the same time.

03:34:09.000 Hey, guys.

03:34:12.000 Nick, my family comes from Spain and Mexico, my guy.

03:34:16.000 Okay.

03:34:17.000 My family comes from Italy, Ireland, Spain, and there's some native in there, too.

03:34:22.000 There's a lot of race mixing in there, my guy.

03:34:24.000 That's pretty legitimate.

03:34:25.000 I don't think there's any race mixing, really. 0.98

03:34:27.000 I mean, with the exception of. 1.00

03:34:29.000 You're a bastard, guys. 1.00

03:34:31.000 Child. 1.00

03:34:32.000 Maybe many, many generations. 0.98

03:34:34.000 Are you telling me you're a race mixer? 1.00

03:34:36.000 Why are you trying to get under my skin with that? 1.00

03:34:38.000 It's very interesting.

03:34:39.000 I thought we were just asking questions.

03:34:41.000 That's not productive.

03:34:42.000 It's almost like there is a racial insecurity on your part and you're attacking me on the grounds of the fact that I'm a race mixer.

03:34:49.000 I'm literally a part of your race, my guy.

03:34:51.000 I know, I know.

03:34:52.000 And for some reason, this conversation makes you very uncomfortable and is maybe awakening a racial consciousness within you.

03:34:58.000 Maybe it's an anti white consciousness.

03:35:01.000 You can laugh about it, but it's kind of off topic.

03:35:03.000 But are you Hispanic or a Spaniard ethnically?

03:35:08.000 Well, there's both.

03:35:09.000 There's both.

03:35:10.000 I'm sorry.

03:35:10.000 Okay.

03:35:11.000 I know you're just asking another question.

03:35:17.000 I can't see that.

03:35:18.000 I'm playing Civ 5.

03:35:19.000 But, you know, it's very interesting how quickly this became racialized, you know, and how all these enlightened people, all these enlightened anti racist, individualist libertarians, You know, taunting me.

03:35:33.000 Taunting me.

03:35:34.000 Wait, wait.

03:35:35.000 No, no, no.

03:35:35.000 I'm not.

03:35:36.000 Wait, wait.

03:35:36.000 I'm not mad.

03:35:39.000 I'm chill.

03:35:39.000 What I'm noting, what I'm observing, what I'm observing, which I think you're panicking because this is true, is that you are trying to taunt me on the basis of race.

03:35:51.000 And I think that that is because, on some level, you're laughing at this, but it's totally true. 1.00

03:35:58.000 I don't agree what they did was right or productive. 1.00

03:36:00.000 Because you are, you're sort of, Defending, and this guy with the Arab numerals. 0.65

03:36:05.000 No, no, no, not you, not you, the Algerian, defending the Arab numerals. 0.70

03:36:11.000 It's almost like there's an intrinsic grievance against Europeans in there.

03:36:19.000 Talking about the rape of Algeria by France sounds like racial grievance to me, which is weird because I thought I was with all these pink on the inside libertarian individuals. 0.50

03:36:29.000 I don't blame the French for what they did, I blame the specific people for what they did.

03:36:34.000 That's not what it sounds like, my guy.

03:36:36.000 My guy, that's not what it sounds like, right?

03:36:39.000 It sounds like racial grievance.

03:36:44.000 Nick, I 100% don't blame the French people, the current French people, for what they did. 0.80

03:36:48.000 What I blame right now is the French government at the time that decided it was okay to go and pillage my home country. 0.78

03:36:55.000 It's the same thing that you're arguing now, right?

03:36:57.000 What am I arguing?

03:37:01.000 What you're trying to say here is you're saying, oh, you have some sort of racial grievance against the French.

03:37:06.000 In reality, that's completely far from the truth.

03:37:08.000 I just made a little joke and you got to prove yourself wrong.

03:37:11.000 It's okay, man.

03:37:12.000 It's okay.

03:37:12.000 It's 100% okay.

03:37:13.000 It was just a little joke.

03:37:13.000 Why did you get offended when I was talking?

03:37:15.000 I didn't get offended.

03:37:16.000 I don't get offended by anything.

03:37:18.000 I don't understand why you taunted me on the basis of race after you yourself got offended on the basis of race.

03:37:24.000 Because I thought, you know, I was trying to get offended on the basis of race, man.

03:37:28.000 Because we were talking about Haiti, talking about Haiti being, you know, colonized, eating mud, and now you're talking about Alexandria and Roman numerals and, you know, my, Nick, The simple premise here.

03:37:56.000 I'm right here. 0.95

03:37:58.000 Yeah, yeah, I understand, but I need to repeat myself.

03:38:01.000 Otherwise, you won't let me talk. 0.98

03:38:03.000 The simple premise here, right, is that what you're trying to say is you're trying to say, oh, these people, right, the Haitian people, et cetera, and all these different, like, non American, non white groups, right, they're shit because they are non American, non white, right? 0.95

03:38:15.000 What I'm trying to understand here is I'm trying to tell you it's because of external factors. 0.95

03:38:19.000 And I brought up Haiti, and I brought up the external factors there, right? 0.81

03:38:23.000 And you said, no, no, no, they eat mud, right? 0.96

03:38:25.000 So what I did is I then turned around and I brought up other groups. 0.90

03:38:28.000 Right, that are non white, that are non American, that are non cultural. 0.61

03:38:32.000 And I believe these are groups. 0.87

03:38:34.000 Wait, one sec. 0.99

03:38:35.000 Once the Egyptians are what now? 1.00

03:38:36.000 Yes, yeah, yeah. 0.52

03:38:38.000 And Egyptians, we found that they have white ancestry, a European ancestry. 0.99

03:38:43.000 Yeah, correct.

03:38:44.000 The Arabs were European.

03:38:46.000 Yeah, yes. 0.87

03:38:48.000 The Arabs colonized the Maghreb.

03:38:50.000 If you don't know this, I mean, you're just historically illiterate.

03:38:52.000 That's not my fault. 1.00

03:38:53.000 Do you honestly believe that the Egyptians?

03:38:56.000 The Egyptians that built the pyramids were Arabs.

03:38:59.000 The Egyptians were one of the four original, um, like. 0.70

03:39:06.000 First societies, right?

03:39:07.000 The Indus, the Mesopotamians, the Egyptians on the Nile, and then World History 101.

03:39:11.000 Yeah, it's basic history.

03:39:13.000 I really don't understand how somebody with the grandeur of Mr. Nicholas Fuentes here doesn't understand basic history. 0.97

03:39:19.000 I think you're talking about brown skins, literally mad European DNA.

03:39:23.000 You're talking about brown skins, Egyptians building the pyramids and the Library of Alexandria. 0.95

03:39:28.000 I think you're the confused one, my friend.

03:39:30.000 First of all, the Library of Alexandria was also contributed to by the Arabs, but that's a different point.

03:39:37.000 Also, we can also talk about the House of Babylon.

03:39:39.000 If you want to.

03:39:40.000 What about that?

03:39:41.000 The House of Babylon.

03:39:42.000 Do you think those were Arabs too? 0.94

03:39:44.000 How illiterate are you? 1.00

03:39:47.000 Regardless, what I'm saying is that they're non-Platin, right? 1.00

03:39:50.000 What I'm saying is that non-American, non-European. 1.00

03:39:53.000 Do we want to talk about how the Muslims beat the Christians and those fucking Crusades? 0.99

03:39:59.000 We want to talk about Arabic numerals, which you, by the way, you said that on Google. 0.99

03:39:59.000 Why is that? 0.99

03:40:03.000 Dude, oh my, dude.

03:40:04.000 I can't.

03:40:04.000 I don't know.

03:40:05.000 I don't know who's who. 1.00

03:40:06.000 All you guys sound like soy boys to me. 1.00

03:40:08.000 Are you French? 1.00

03:40:09.000 If you want to talk about Muslims beating Christians, are you kidding me? 1.00

03:40:13.000 Christians destroyed Muslims. 1.00

03:40:16.000 Christians destroyed Muslims. 0.99

03:40:18.000 Yeah, we lost a couple of wars, or battles, I guess you could say. 1.00

03:40:21.000 You lost most of them, my guy.

03:40:22.000 Who won the war, my guy? 1.00

03:40:24.000 How many Muslims are there versus how many Christians? 1.00

03:40:26.000 That's why Islam is the fastest war. 1.00

03:40:29.000 We only created the civilization that defined the last half millennium. 1.00

03:40:33.000 I guess that's a nice concept. 0.99

03:40:34.000 Christians only won one war, and you lost the rest. 0.98

03:40:38.000 Are you kidding me?

03:40:39.000 We won history, my friend, my guy.

03:40:43.000 Dude, what year are we living in?

03:40:45.000 What year are we living in?

03:40:46.000 What year are we living in?

03:40:47.000 2020?

03:40:48.000 What?

03:40:49.000 2020 years since what? 0.77

03:40:51.000 Since Muhammad? 1.00

03:40:52.000 I'm sure I can't believe it. 1.00

03:40:54.000 You're going to tell me the Muslims won? 1.00

03:40:58.000 Give me a break. 1.00

03:40:59.000 I don't believe in God. 1.00

03:41:00.000 Yeah, you're going to hell. 0.96

03:41:02.000 That's a false assertion because we don't, like Muslims, we don't base our calendar based on the Muslims. 1.00

03:41:08.000 This guy's a Muslim.

03:41:10.000 Yes, I am a Muslim.

03:41:14.000 We don't base our, like, Calendar based on our.

03:41:17.000 Oh, is that why?

03:41:18.000 Is that why?

03:41:19.000 Yes, that's why.

03:41:21.000 Tell me more about Algeria.

03:41:23.000 Tell me more about, you know, why don't you tell me more about the Sykes-Picot agreement?

03:41:27.000 Do we really want to talk about, you know, Muslims versus Christians?

03:41:30.000 Do we really want to bring up the scoreboard on that one? 0.52

03:41:32.000 Based events.

03:41:34.000 Yeah.

03:41:35.000 By the way, by the way, by the way, if you really want to go into that, the number 2-0-2-0, where did that come from?

03:41:41.000 Oh, no.

03:41:42.000 Oh, no.

03:41:43.000 You got me.

03:41:44.000 No, you're right.

03:41:45.000 You're right.

03:41:45.000 Tell me, tell me, where did the number 2-0-2-0 come from?

03:41:47.000 No, you got me.

03:41:48.000 The Arabic numerals. 0.99

03:41:49.000 Arab strike again. 1.00

03:41:50.000 Another Arab victory. 1.00

03:41:51.000 Nick, Nick, Nick, I'm going to ask you.

03:41:54.000 Look, look, look, I know this might be hard for you, but that's not nothing's hard for me.

03:41:57.000 I'm solving it for me.

03:41:59.000 X plus four equals 16.

03:42:00.000 Can you solve it for me?

03:42:01.000 Oh, you're gonna do algebra now?

03:42:03.000 Is that oh, yeah, that's algebra.

03:42:04.000 Oh, wait, that's ours as well.

03:42:05.000 Oh, oh, oh, Nick.

03:42:06.000 Well, how am I?

03:42:07.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

03:42:08.000 Can we count that?

03:42:09.000 Can we count that on more than one hand?

03:42:12.000 Nick, Nick, is your law?

03:42:13.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Nick, do you know what pi equals?

03:42:17.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know.

03:42:19.000 3.14. 0.99

03:42:20.000 Oh, okay, y'all invented Sharia law too, so shut the up. 0.96

03:42:23.000 Yo, Sharia law is base, dude. 1.00

03:42:25.000 Okay, that's the one good thing. 1.00

03:42:26.000 Who lost most of the crusade? 0.99

03:42:28.000 Christian. 0.94

03:42:29.000 Yeah, sounds like a lot of cope to me.

03:42:31.000 Sounds like we're all speaking English. 0.85

03:42:33.000 We're all living on this American continent that white people built. 0.98

03:42:39.000 We don't care, Muslim. 0.99

03:42:41.000 We don't care. 1.00

03:42:42.000 Why don't you wipe your ass with your hands? 1.00

03:42:44.000 You can speak that Arabic and then nobody will understand you because we all speak English. 1.00

03:42:49.000 Yeah, because we live in America. 1.00

03:42:50.000 Bitch. 1.00

03:42:51.000 We live in America. 1.00

03:42:52.000 Fake American detective. 0.97

03:42:54.000 Get your finger guns, Nick. 0.99

03:42:54.000 I got you. 0.99

03:42:56.000 We're on a foreigner hunt and don't think we don't know how to weed him out, bitch. 1.00

03:43:00.000 America first. 1.00

03:43:04.000 Oh my god, man. 0.98

03:43:05.000 Root it out.

03:43:06.000 Root it out and clock.

03:43:08.000 All of you, Nick.

03:43:09.000 All of you, Nick.

03:43:11.000 You've got a good personality.

03:43:13.000 Thank you.

03:43:14.000 You've got a good personality.

03:43:16.000 It's all fun.

03:43:17.000 It's banter.

03:43:18.000 Just scare Nick off the goop for that one.

03:43:21.000 It's just banter, Dave. 1.00

03:43:23.000 Until my college finds that I'm talking to Nick and everyone hates this fucking thing. 0.99

03:43:27.000 Just don't tell him. 0.99

03:43:27.000 No, no. 0.99

03:43:28.000 Guys, I think.

03:43:31.000 I think right now this is a perfect time to bring up the movement of banning people.

03:43:35.000 Yes, it is. 1.00

03:43:37.000 BAP. 0.99

03:43:38.000 Ban all people. 1.00

03:43:40.000 It's my movement.

03:43:41.000 We got some people in here on the movement.

03:43:42.000 We got Andrews and Pedro. 0.97

03:43:45.000 Ban all fat people, 2020. 1.00

03:43:47.000 Ban all fat people. 1.00

03:43:49.000 Nick would be. 0.89

03:43:50.000 Bro, MJ be taking all that credit for algebra, but he needs to take credit for Sharia law, too. 0.77

03:43:54.000 Just saying.

03:43:55.000 You know, Nick supports Sharia law, Nick Videos. 0.88

03:43:55.000 Hell yeah. 0.88

03:43:57.000 Like, do you not understand that point? 1.00

03:43:58.000 Like, do you not understand that he actually likes that shit? 1.00

03:44:01.000 White Sharia, baby. 1.00

03:44:03.000 Yeah, Nick Videos is like. 1.00

03:44:05.000 These Muslims are throwing gays off buildings and oppressing women. 1.00

03:44:08.000 And I'm like, I know, but they also cause problems too. 1.00

03:44:14.000 Kidding, kidding.

03:44:15.000 It's a joke.

03:44:16.000 It's a joke.

03:44:16.000 No.

03:44:17.000 I'm kidding.

03:44:18.000 It's just a joke.

03:44:20.000 Is it bad that I didn't have a joke?

03:44:22.000 It's time to meme.

03:44:22.000 I don't care.

03:44:24.000 It's time to meme.

03:44:25.000 It's memeing time.

03:44:26.000 It's just a joke.

03:44:27.000 Hold on, real quick, real quick.

03:44:28.000 It's over.

03:44:28.000 It's memeing time, except for the fact that it's 4 a.m.

03:44:33.000 Thank you.

03:44:34.000 I have a cookie.

03:44:37.000 Nick, I have a cookie.

03:44:46.000 What should I do with this cookie?

03:44:49.000 I'm turning off my video.

03:44:50.000 At this point, I don't want to be clipped with my face on that video.

03:44:54.000 I think it's a little late.

03:44:55.000 I think you should have done that.

03:44:58.000 No, no, no.

03:44:59.000 Thank God.

03:45:00.000 Because the rest of the thing, I can just say, oh, no, no, no.

03:45:02.000 I can tell my future college.

03:45:03.000 I can just say, oh, no, no.

03:45:04.000 I was debating.

03:45:05.000 I'm not giving you all the answers.

03:45:08.000 You see, MJ, you know what kids have done before?

03:45:11.000 They've done that, and yet they still get rejected.

03:45:12.000 And their tires are slack.

03:45:13.000 MJ, just change your name.

03:45:15.000 That's all right.

03:45:15.000 You're going to end up like Nick Videos.

03:45:16.000 They're going to call you college. 0.99

03:45:18.000 Let's embrace our fascist views and talk about the JQ.

03:45:21.000 Optics, please stop.

03:45:27.000 I'm a mostly paleocon, okay?

03:45:31.000 Yeah, yeah, what's the symbol, man?

03:45:34.000 Bad, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

03:45:39.000 Bad, I got a base.

03:45:42.000 Nick, Nick, Nick, one test is literally the definition of bad optics.

03:45:45.000 Like, like, what?

03:45:47.000 Hey, hey, don't lie to me, man.

03:45:49.000 I swear to God, if I get rejected, I'm about to be so good.

03:45:52.000 I'm good, optics.

03:45:53.000 I'm about to be so busy.

03:45:55.000 Dude, Nick is such good off.

03:45:57.000 Hey, no, he does have good off.

03:46:00.000 No, yo, yesterday I sent a video of you.

03:46:03.000 I forgot exactly.

03:46:04.000 Let's hope this blows over.

03:46:06.000 Oh, yeah, by the way, Nick.

03:46:07.000 A video of you talking about like there's a woman's suffrage thing to a group chat I was in.

03:46:12.000 The family's in there.

03:46:13.000 Yeah, I can imagine.

03:46:15.000 They don't like that.

03:46:16.000 Nick, I hope you know the clip of you.

03:46:18.000 What was the clip? 0.99

03:46:19.000 Don't care, didn't ask, plus you're white. 0.82

03:46:21.000 It goes so much in nearly every single political TikTok group chat. 0.93

03:46:25.000 Like, literally, the second anybody bites people up, that's what we use.

03:46:31.000 People keep sending the based phone thing.

03:46:33.000 Oh, yes, I have it saved on my phone.

03:46:35.000 Yes, yes, Nick.

03:46:38.000 What, the base department?

03:46:39.000 Nick, you're literally my idol.

03:46:44.000 I love you.

03:46:45.000 Okay, no, we're not.

03:46:47.000 That's kind of weird, but he loves you as God's creation.

03:46:51.000 The power of Christ.

03:46:54.000 That's what.

03:46:55.000 Pedro's got it pulled up.

03:46:59.000 Yo, someone share screen.

03:47:03.000 Someone spotlight me.

03:47:10.000 Someone.

03:47:12.000 I mean, he's kind of here, so he could just lip sync it.

03:47:16.000 And then I have another clip.

03:47:17.000 I have another clip.

03:47:18.000 All right, Pedro, you can stop fangirling.

03:47:22.000 Pedro really is the person to fangirl and then debate the guy at the same time.

03:47:28.000 Right, you don't think I'm a fascist, bro?

03:47:30.000 Like, come on now.

03:47:31.000 Oh my god.

03:47:32.000 Whoa, whoa. 0.61

03:47:33.000 Hey, disavow.

03:47:33.000 I disavow.

03:47:35.000 He had to step in for that way.

03:47:37.000 I took the rest.

03:47:40.000 It's a hard one.

03:47:41.000 When do you think we're going to get that Ben Shapiro debate?

03:47:46.000 I don't know, man.

03:47:47.000 I don't think he's going to keep running from me forever.

03:47:50.000 Israel's our best ally.

03:47:52.000 Israel's our best ally.

03:47:53.000 You know what else?

03:47:54.000 I see Ben Shapiro.

03:47:56.000 Ben Shapiro says taxation is theft unless it goes to his ethno state.

03:48:02.000 I have that meme.

03:48:03.000 I have that meme.

03:48:04.000 I posted it on my sixth.

03:48:07.000 I'm still waiting for a Charlie Kirk versus Nick. 0.55

03:48:09.000 And it was like him, and it was like taxation is theft unless it goes to my Israeli ethno state.

03:48:16.000 Wait, I see Ben Shapiro September 20th.

03:48:18.000 I'm going to just go up there and just be like, when's the debate with Nick?

03:48:22.000 I want to see Nick Fuentes.

03:48:24.000 I see Nick Fuentes down at a Crowder table. 0.99

03:48:27.000 Oh my God.

03:48:30.000 Wait, Nick, do you talk to Steven Crowder?

03:48:34.000 No, I've never talked to him before.

03:48:36.000 Who would you rather debate?

03:48:40.000 He seems more of a paleoconservative compared to Ben or Charlie.

03:48:45.000 Yeah, he's definitely closer to us, I think. 0.82

03:48:48.000 Oh, not us.

03:48:49.000 I think he's the biggest mage.

03:48:52.000 Can you unmute Seth?

03:48:54.000 Unmute him.

03:48:55.000 I don't really want to do that.

03:48:58.000 Can we unmute him?

03:48:59.000 Nah, never mind.

03:49:04.000 All of the people that.

03:49:05.000 Maybe this has been passed around in a lot of the.

03:49:08.000 Okay, okay, now that we're not talking about the G2, I can show this.

03:49:12.000 Okay, yeah, yeah.

03:49:13.000 But the uh, since there's a video and it's like a compilation of like I think it's the Polish, I don't know if it's prime minister, and he's talking about like immigration and all of that.

03:49:22.000 It's like a compilation, and it's so funny, it's funny as well. 0.81

03:49:25.000 Bro, the Polish prime minister is such an authoritarian.

03:49:28.000 I want to see, oh, yeah, he's.

03:49:30.000 And when people ask him, like, oh, are you what, don't you care about the humanitarian?

03:49:33.000 He's like, no, no foreign crime in our country.

03:49:35.000 This, I want to see a Nick Flint.

03:49:38.000 That's like all the judges, all the judges that disagreed with him.

03:49:41.000 Do you know what he did?

03:49:42.000 He just fired them all.

03:49:43.000 Like, literally, every single judge in the country just says.

03:49:46.000 Oh, I know.

03:49:46.000 He can't do that.

03:49:47.000 That's not fair.

03:49:50.000 Okay, okay, okay.

03:49:52.000 Wouldn't you agree that part of American ideals is this idea that the judicial system is supposed to be not corrupted, supposed to be good for the nation?

03:50:02.000 Yeah, but I also believe that we're in a civilizational war and it's kind of exceptional circumstances.

03:50:08.000 The rules change when you're a.

03:50:10.000 We have to win by any means necessary. 1.00

03:50:12.000 Kick out the immigrants and then we're fine. 1.00

03:50:15.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

03:50:16.000 I thought you were talking about this Zoom call for a second, Mark.

03:50:16.000 Hold on.

03:50:19.000 I'm scared.

03:50:21.000 Well, then we'd all be getting kicked out.

03:50:21.000 Hold on.

03:50:25.000 I have a quick question.

03:50:26.000 Nation of immigrants, baby. 1.00

03:50:27.000 Not the Galar. 1.00

03:50:29.000 Yo, I got a question for.

03:50:30.000 No.

03:50:31.000 Nation of conquerors, dude.

03:50:34.000 Explore.

03:50:34.000 Settlers.

03:50:35.000 Pioneers. 0.90

03:50:39.000 So, I got a question.

03:50:39.000 Yo, Nick.

03:50:42.000 Julio.

03:50:44.000 So.

03:50:45.000 I got two of my associates in here, Anders and Pedro. 0.98

03:50:50.000 And we're wondering if you want to join the ban all people movement, bro.

03:50:53.000 What is that?

03:50:54.000 His chat setting was cringe.

03:50:55.000 Banning all people.

03:50:56.000 Yeah, it's cringe. 0.97

03:50:58.000 I'm with that.

03:51:00.000 The Pareto principle is the real red pill.

03:51:02.000 80% of people, you know, NPCs, robots, artificial intelligence.

03:51:08.000 Look at the data.

03:51:09.000 Look at the data.

03:51:10.000 Sam, didn't you?

03:51:12.000 Wait, that video that you.

03:51:15.000 A sentence, Snapchat.

03:51:16.000 Is that you going at Ilhan Omar's?

03:51:18.000 Like, yes, yes.

03:51:21.000 Oh my god, Nick, you probably weren't there.

03:51:23.000 I mean, of course he wasn't there, but that was the funniest.

03:51:25.000 That was, I wouldn't say it was funny.

03:51:27.000 I thought, I thought that no, I mean, bro, you were laughing.

03:51:30.000 You moved Sam, Sam, just explain what you did.

03:51:32.000 Explain what you did.

03:51:33.000 I mean, she filed, so I don't feel as bad that I thought that was a little bit funny, but I mean, Sam, Sam, just explain what you did.

03:51:40.000 I was gonna make it a little bit more brutal. 0.99

03:51:41.000 I was like, yo, didn't you, did your mom fuck her brother? 1.00

03:51:44.000 But I was like, nah. 1.00

03:51:46.000 Did your mom marry your brother?

03:51:47.000 And Ilhan Omar, he went to Ilhan Omar's daughter.

03:51:50.000 She was on a Zoom call, and he asked her, Didn't your mom marry your brother?

03:51:53.000 Pretty based. 0.54

03:51:54.000 It did happen, didn't it?

03:51:57.000 Gotta get the base.

03:51:59.000 I remember AJ Don.

03:52:05.000 We got the god Nick.

03:52:07.000 Who would you rather debate?

03:52:09.000 Ben, Nick, or what's his name?

03:52:12.000 Charlie Kirk.

03:52:15.000 That's a good question.

03:52:16.000 Honestly. 0.67

03:52:17.000 Probably Ben Shapiro because it would just be so humiliating and Zionism would be blown out permanently in America. 0.70

03:52:25.000 And it's really not that hard to just disprove Zionism. 0.62

03:52:29.000 Didn't they castrate an Ethiopian woman? 1.00

03:52:32.000 I'm sure. 1.00

03:52:33.000 Yeah, they're fucked up over there, man. 1.00

03:52:35.000 They're brutal. 1.00

03:52:36.000 Talmudic stuff. 1.00

03:52:37.000 You thought Sharia law was bad.

03:52:38.000 Looking at the Talmud. 1.00

03:52:41.000 I saw this thing with the Talmuds. 0.99

03:52:42.000 I don't know if that's a conspiracy, but the Talmud said some shit like the worst Jew is better than the best Goyim or something. 0.99

03:52:50.000 Yeah. 0.99

03:52:51.000 Dude, it's all over there.

03:52:52.000 There's literally a lot of the bad stuff that happens in the United States can trace back to George Soros.

03:52:58.000 That's true.

03:52:59.000 Wait, wait, wait.

03:53:01.000 Come back.

03:53:02.000 Can we unmute three?

03:53:03.000 Oliver, Oliver.

03:53:04.000 Can we unmute one of those?

03:53:06.000 And look, look.

03:53:07.000 I'm S. Oliver.

03:53:07.000 He's the stats guy.

03:53:08.000 Who's the stats guy? 0.99

03:53:11.000 Nick Videos is ethnically Jewish. 0.55

03:53:13.000 We know. 0.89

03:53:15.000 Spotlight me.

03:53:16.000 I'm very aware of that.

03:53:22.000 Hey, he's based.

03:53:23.000 What do you think of Hunter?

03:53:25.000 That was my profile picture on Zoom for the whole time.

03:53:27.000 Hunter is extremely based.

03:53:30.000 Way more based than Nick.

03:53:34.000 Notice how Nick literally changed like two seconds after his brother then.

03:53:39.000 Yeah, well.

03:53:40.000 His brother's cool.

03:53:41.000 What can I say?

03:53:42.000 They went to the bad side.

03:53:44.000 The right side is the cost of liberty.

03:53:47.000 So, when are you literally singing a single Nick?

03:53:50.000 Oh, Nick can't even be here.

03:53:53.000 Oh, it's not.

03:53:54.000 I feel like Nick is working on it. 1.00

03:53:57.000 It's Hopianism. 0.99

03:53:57.000 Let's know about that. 0.99

03:54:01.000 Hey, Nick.

03:54:02.000 I don't know if you've addressed this, but what do you think about, for example, Catholics in the United States being more left wing than Protestants? 0.99

03:54:10.000 It sucks. 0.93

03:54:11.000 Catholics are honestly the leaders in the declining religiosity in America. 1.00

03:54:15.000 If you look at any of the statistics on who's not going to church anymore, almost all of it can be attributed to Catholics.

03:54:24.000 That's a big problem.

03:54:27.000 Do you think, for example, because a lot of Christianity is more equality based, do you think, for example, the West and European countries being more egalitarian and more open to immigration might be traced back to Christian principles rather than?

03:54:45.000 Their previous, more Indo European style beliefs?

03:54:50.000 No, I think that that's largely a myth.

03:54:52.000 I mean, it's true that I wouldn't say that Christianity is egalitarian so much as it is universalist, which is a little different.

03:55:01.000 And I think that you can, you know, I think that it can coexist because, I mean, Christianity doesn't say that everybody is equal.

03:55:07.000 They say that everybody's equal before God, you know, but like one of the first stories in the Bible is about Cain and Abel, which, you know, is really kind of like it's not quite, but it's a story about inequality.

03:55:16.000 It's about favorites, you know, and it's fundamentally about hierarchy.

03:55:19.000 So I think that. 0.99

03:55:20.000 You know, Christian society. 0.96

03:55:22.000 I do think that might be a little more Jewish.

03:55:24.000 Like, for example, all the way to the New Testament, where Jesus said, preach to everyone, and I think was more universalist then, especially in the New Testament.

03:55:33.000 Do you think that might have been a change where a lot of Christian adherents might have been more egalitarian and might have adopted this as a more, you know, left leaning ideology?

03:55:45.000 No, I don't think that it's left leaning.

03:55:48.000 And that's because Christianity predates ideology, it predates the idea of ideology or even left and right.

03:55:54.000 And that's not even just a cop out, but it is to say that, I mean, Christian values are right wing values.

03:55:59.000 It's about tradition.

03:56:00.000 It's about hierarchy.

03:56:01.000 It's about virtue.

03:56:04.000 You know, and I would say that there's something about equality in the Bible, but again, it's about that we are all equal in a spiritual sense.

03:56:11.000 But it doesn't say anything about, like, immigration, for example, or about our talents or anything like that.

03:56:17.000 So I think that, you know, the Bible, and by the way, the Old Testament is just as much a part of the Bible as the New Testament.

03:56:23.000 So I think that there's a universality of, like, belief and brotherhood in the sense that we're all children of God, but.

03:56:29.000 Does that, if you look in, like, for example, the Catholic Catechism, you know, there's something in there even about immigration. 1.00

03:56:34.000 And it says that, you know, a country cannot take in any more immigrants than it can sustain.

03:56:40.000 And the immigrants that go there have to respect the culture and the identity and the heritage of the land.

03:56:45.000 I mean, there's all kinds of stuff even in the catechism about that.

03:56:47.000 So I think it's, if you were to characterize it as an ideology, I'd say.

03:56:52.000 And by the way, this is everybody else too.

03:56:53.000 Even capital T traditionalists like Evola and others have said that, you know, Christianity is right wing.

03:57:01.000 Hey, Nick, will you and Jay Dyer ever do like a round two or like a rematch?

03:57:06.000 Probably not, just because I'm not like a theologian.

03:57:09.000 I don't do like religious debates because I mean, I don't think I was proven wrong in that debate, but I wasn't prepared.

03:57:17.000 You know, he just knows more than I do because he's been studying theology for like 20 years or whatever.

03:57:22.000 So I was out of my depth, clearly.

03:57:24.000 But I mean, I still disagree.

03:57:26.000 I think that, you know, all I need is the keys, you know, the keys and the rock.

03:57:30.000 But in any case, yeah, I'm not a theologian, so it's not really my area.

03:57:34.000 Can you guys, wait, wait, wait, wait, can you go some generic trash, please, please?

03:57:39.000 Before we do that, my guy, my homie Seth, wants to ask a question. 0.65

03:57:43.000 Oh, Lord.

03:57:45.000 No, no, no, I'm not going to say anything.

03:57:46.000 Nick, first of all, I got to say, Nick Fuentes, I got to say, I'm a huge fan.

03:57:53.000 So, um.

03:57:55.000 Epic?

03:57:56.000 But, um.

03:57:56.000 Funny.

03:57:57.000 Work some pants, my guy.

03:58:00.000 Woo hoo hoo! 0.55

03:58:01.000 Woo hoo!

03:58:02.000 Were you going to ask the question?

03:58:10.000 Oh, yeah, I was going to ask the question, bro.

03:58:14.000 You forgot.

03:58:16.000 No, no, I didn't forget.

03:58:20.000 No, just my question was like, I think Trump passed some act like five days ago that's going to give citizenship to like two million illegals.

03:58:28.000 And I was starting to get faith in Trump.

03:58:31.000 And then he did something like that.

03:58:32.000 And that's just like, there were a few amount of white pills that were coming, bro.

03:58:36.000 And then it's like he does something like that.

03:58:38.000 And it just ruins the spirits, huge black pills.

03:58:41.000 So it's like, what should we do when we deal with black pills like that? 0.96

03:58:41.000 Pill. 0.96

03:58:45.000 And all people.

03:58:46.000 Well, I mean, it just comes down to being practical.

03:58:50.000 Because, I mean, yeah, Trump has done a lot of things that are disappointing.

03:58:55.000 I don't think anything that substantive.

03:58:57.000 I mean, he misspoke when he said he was going to do amnesty for DACA.

03:59:01.000 I guess he said that DACA would be part of a deal in Congress.

03:59:04.000 And, you know, it's dubious if that even stands a chance of passing anything.

03:59:09.000 So, I mean, so I don't think that that's.

03:59:12.000 Like a crushing development.

03:59:14.000 But, you know, when it comes to black pills, you just got to realize that you have to have sort of a fatalistic perspective, which is that, you know, what's going to happen is going to happen.

03:59:22.000 And the mistakes that have been made cannot be easily, you know, unmade.

03:59:28.000 And we're up against very difficult odds.

03:59:30.000 So, you know, to me, it's really just about we have to do everything that we can, like impossible, you know, impossible energy, impossible intelligence.

03:59:40.000 And, you know, if we fall short of that, then we fall short.

03:59:43.000 But, you know, Whether or not we win is not really entering into my head because whether we can win or we can't win, we have to fight.

03:59:52.000 Even if it's impossible, we have to see if it is possible.

03:59:55.000 We don't know what the outcome could be.

03:59:57.000 So, to me, it's like if there are setbacks, if there are other things, my head is in the game about saving our people, and it's just about, okay, well, that's a setback.

04:00:07.000 How do we fix it?

04:00:08.000 And when it comes to just straight up politics, it's like just being practical, not taking it personally.

04:00:13.000 You've got to just be practical.

04:00:15.000 There are a lot of things I don't like about what we have to do and what we have to say and what we have to go along with, but.

04:00:20.000 You know, it's just about what are you willing to do to get where you need to go?

04:00:24.000 Wait, can you wait under generic trash?

04:00:26.000 Here's a question for Nick. 0.51

04:00:28.000 So, Nick, what type of libertarian were you?

04:00:31.000 Were you like a minarchist or ANCAP?

04:00:35.000 I was a minarchist for most of the time.

04:00:38.000 I was an ANCAP for like 10 seconds.

04:00:40.000 I was like, you know what?

04:00:41.000 All government's bad.

04:00:43.000 We don't need any of it, it's inherently evil.

04:00:45.000 So, and then I was like, well, you know, maybe we need a police.

04:00:49.000 You ever touch on social liberalism?

04:00:51.000 The ever what?

04:00:52.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

04:00:52.000 Wait, Generic trash. 0.99

04:00:54.000 Ask me a question. 0.99

04:00:54.000 Yeah, hello. 0.99

04:00:55.000 Hello.

04:00:56.000 Yeah, so hello, Nick Fuentes.

04:00:58.000 I'm a paleo libertarian, which, you know, it's kind of common ground there.

04:01:02.000 I've seen you talk to Dave Smith.

04:01:04.000 I think he's pretty good on this.

04:01:05.000 He's not a pale libertarian quite.

04:01:07.000 But I know that you read Rothbard in your high school time.

04:01:11.000 And I was wondering, did you ever go deeper than that into ANCAP?

04:01:14.000 Did you ever read Hoppe or one of the books?

04:01:17.000 Hans Hoppe specifically?

04:01:18.000 Yeah, Hans Hoppe specifically.

04:01:20.000 And that's my first question.

04:01:21.000 I have another one after this.

04:01:23.000 But more specifically, did you ever read further into it, specifically Hoppe?

04:01:28.000 Not in great detail.

04:01:30.000 I mean, I don't think I ever read anything from Hoppe, but I read a lot about him.

04:01:33.000 I'm familiar with what he's about.

04:01:35.000 Because I know you talk about time preference, which is like a concept that I don't think a lot of conservative talk about.

04:01:43.000 I'm not a liberalized, I actually think.

04:01:44.000 Yeah.

04:01:45.000 Also, what are your opinions on democracy in general?

04:01:48.000 Do you think it can be extremely, like, a real good use to any movement?

04:01:55.000 No.

04:01:57.000 I think that, you know, like, democratic elements, yeah, but the problem with the democracy is, you know, putting sovereignty in the hands of the majority.

04:02:06.000 Like, America, I know it's kind of trite and You know, boomers say this, but America is not a democracy.

04:02:11.000 Never was, never was intended to be.

04:02:12.000 It's not in the Constitution.

04:02:14.000 And that's because the founders, even when they were talking about the government, I mean, they understand that there is just as much of a threat to liberty coming from like a mob or from a majority than there is from, you know, like a tyrant or anything like that.

04:02:27.000 So, or, you know, the population can enable a tyrant.

04:02:29.000 So, I mean, I think democratic elements are good, but we think about the founding and it's like, you know, was that a democracy when the electoral college was way more restrictive? 0.86

04:02:39.000 And the Senate was a body of the states, and so on and so forth, like only white landowning males.

04:02:46.000 Yeah, I know specifically the one guy, I think the Chad Autist guy in the Zoom call that you did a while ago mentioned this, but throughout time, when we see more implementation of people voting more suffrage, we actually see the speech of politicians go down to a lower and lower level.

04:03:07.000 And I think it's kind of a line.

04:03:09.000 I'm sorry, but I think this is very close.

04:03:12.000 Yeah, it's fine.

04:03:13.000 It's fine.

04:03:13.000 Oh, yeah, we also see because we're on the same page basically, but we also see kind of the democracy kind of institute things of hedonism and high time preference as well.

04:03:22.000 Yeah.

04:03:23.000 Yeah, I don't know if you know, I mean, I know you understand the concept of time preference.

04:03:26.000 Have you heard the argument that like time preference can make it so that like a or time preference is like one of the fatal flaws of a democracy that a democracy will inevitably have a higher time preference?

04:03:38.000 Yeah.

04:03:39.000 Yeah.

04:03:40.000 And, you know, there's a lot of people have read about it.

04:03:43.000 I think, you know, Basic, like, anti, like, the ban all people thing is funny because that's kind of the pill that I've taken lately, which is that, like, you know, everybody's written about this that people will fuck everything up and things inherently will devolve any society.

04:04:03.000 Even Rousseau, I read Rousseau when I was in college, and even he talked about how when you have a very, very tiny country, the proportion of, like, I forget, he gets into this mathematical reasoning, but he talks about, like, the proportion of the ruled to, The rulers.

04:04:19.000 And in a very tiny country, you can have much more democracy.

04:04:22.000 In a very, very large country, you have to have a tyrant.

04:04:24.000 And I basically think that's true.

04:04:26.000 I think that you can have democratic elements, and certainly some things can be decided by vote, but everyone voting on important things, no, that will not do.

04:04:40.000 That's not true.

04:04:41.000 I think I might even go further than you.

04:04:44.000 I'm based on monarchy all the time.

04:04:46.000 It's better than any form of democracy.

04:04:48.000 In general, I favor it.

04:04:50.000 Yeah.

04:04:51.000 Especially, I recommend also watching McCullough because he goes deep into, because also he goes deep into like monarchy and stuff.

04:05:00.000 But he has a book.

04:05:00.000 Yeah, Hans Hermann Hoppe.

04:05:01.000 I think it's from Monarchy to Aristocracy to Democracy.

04:05:04.000 And it talks about the demise of our tradition and culture with going to a democratic system.

04:05:09.000 All right, guys.

04:05:10.000 I think I'm going to head out.

04:05:12.000 It was pretty interesting talking to you.

04:05:13.000 Peace out.

04:05:14.000 Good night, bro.

04:05:15.000 Definitely.

04:05:16.000 Yeah, definitely.

04:05:17.000 Yo, Nick, what's your opinion on George Soros?

04:05:21.000 I think he's evil liberal. 0.98

04:05:24.000 Evil liberal.

04:05:25.000 Yeah, so Nick, I'm definitely still interested in keeping these conversations going.

04:05:30.000 I usually run these every night, same code.

04:05:32.000 So if you're interested in saving it or something, you can obviously.

04:05:35.000 Hop in whenever you want, or you know, obviously, if Nick sends you a. 0.80

04:05:39.000 Wait, did I just hear from Nick Fuentes that he wouldn't die for Israel? 0.81

04:05:43.000 You've betrayed my trust, bro.

04:05:45.000 I betrayed Nick.

04:05:46.000 Nick Lohenberg no longer trusts me.

04:05:50.000 Hey, Nick.

04:05:51.000 Yeah.

04:05:51.000 I feel so bad.

04:05:54.000 Nick, you and your brother are like supporting like paleocon ideas, and it's just like the Berg in your name is just going to stick with you. 0.99

04:06:02.000 It's like. 1.00

04:06:03.000 There's a lot of based Jews. 0.72

04:06:04.000 We're a god of based Jews.

04:06:05.000 I'm pretty. 1.00

04:06:06.000 Yeah, it didn't like fucking. 0.99

04:06:06.000 It's okay. 0.99

04:06:09.000 I'm not going to speak into like Germany in the 1940s, but weren't there like a ton of half Jews that fought for the Reich?

04:06:16.000 No, I have no idea what you're talking about.

04:06:19.000 I don't know.

04:06:21.000 I'm just speaking to you by that.

04:06:24.000 I'm talking about like Paul Gottfried, you know, Darren Beatty.

04:06:28.000 Can we really talk about the Jews?

04:06:29.000 Joe Biden.

04:06:29.000 I do.

04:06:30.000 Yo, hey, Nick, can I ask you a question?

04:06:33.000 Yeah.

04:06:34.000 What's more important?

04:06:34.000 You just did.

04:06:36.000 Oppression by government?

04:06:37.000 What's like more serious?

04:06:38.000 Oppression by government?

04:06:40.000 Oppression by government or oppression by corporations?

04:06:44.000 You know, it's, I think definitely I am, it's both.

04:06:48.000 I mean, the answer is both.

04:06:49.000 And the problem is that the state is still a threat to the people.

04:06:54.000 But the thing is, is that people are just ignoring corporations.

04:06:57.000 You know, traditional conservatives or mainstream conservatives, I should say, just ignore completely the idea that like Silicon Valley and like the biggest corporations in the history of the world, like maybe they might have the capacity to oppress people because, you know, the free market and Big business didn't exist in 1776 the same way that it does today.

04:07:20.000 And, you know, when the founders were putting in the Constitution checks and balances on state and federal government, on the different branches and so on, they did not obviously take into account the idea that Amazon would exist or Facebook would exist.

04:07:33.000 And, you know, some people say that about guns, but it's totally true about, you know, corporations.

04:07:37.000 So I would say the government can be very deadly, you know, if they enable that or if they ever oppress us.

04:07:43.000 But, I mean, clearly now, like, nothing's being done about corporations.

04:07:47.000 And this is why we need to ban all people.

04:07:50.000 All right. 1.00

04:07:52.000 Ban all people.

04:07:53.000 I got a serious question.

04:07:55.000 Nick, you don't have to answer this if you don't want to because it is a little unoptical.

04:07:59.000 But how do you feel about accelerationism?

04:08:04.000 And if you do not support it, you said that you support autocracy.

04:08:08.000 So how would we move America towards autocracy through reformation if accelerationism isn't an option?

04:08:15.000 Well, I think accelerationism is just a meme.

04:08:19.000 I think that, like, you know.

04:08:21.000 There are some intellectuals that I've heard talk about accelerationism, and honestly, I'm unimpressed by the people that have talked about it.

04:08:27.000 Like a friend of mine recommended this Russian guy who was talking about accelerationism, whose name I forget.

04:08:34.000 And I watched this stuff, and he just walked away feeling very compelling.

04:08:39.000 But to me, the equation that a lot of people have in mind when they say accelerationism is like, well, things get bad, and then, you know, somehow, somehow, somehow things get better.

04:08:50.000 And, you know, I understand the basic premise, which is, you know, well, if things get really bad really quickly, then that's going to awaken people, or this is going to create destabilizing events or events that will change circumstances.

04:09:01.000 And, you know, I think there's some truth to that.

04:09:04.000 There's no guarantee, and it's highly likely that those events won't go in your favor.

04:09:09.000 Like, I don't think there's any guarantee.

04:09:12.000 I don't even think it's likely that if things like collapse to your collapsitarian, number one, I don't think things are going to collapse.

04:09:18.000 I don't think things are going to collapse.

04:09:19.000 I think, you know, things get really, really, really, really bad.

04:09:22.000 And they hardly collapse, especially with modern technology.

04:09:25.000 The other thing is, even if things get really bad and there's destabilizing events and maybe people get red pilled, I don't think there's a guarantee people wake up or they don't do anything about it.

04:09:34.000 And even if they did, we're now going up against all the power in the country, all the hard power, which is military, which is money.

04:09:44.000 And to me, it's much more sensible to achieve the reforms that we desire to be like the other people that have accumulated power in the past so many years.

04:09:55.000 Subversively, quietly, with numbers against them.

04:09:58.000 And that is, you know, I'm not like NRX, but I think that we just got to, you know, take it day by day. 0.52

04:10:05.000 I mean, I would rather go through the Reformation option because, you know, in the Bible, you know, rebellion is that of witchcraft and idolatry.

04:10:12.000 And I would much rather prefer Reformation, but I don't know how far Reformation would, or I don't know how we go about it, I guess.

04:10:24.000 Yeah, I mean, well, and equally, and I think maybe more.

04:10:29.000 Would be a more pessimistic lens is how would we go about any kind of challenge to the system?

04:10:35.000 And that's where people lose me.

04:10:36.000 And I've been having this conversation for years.

04:10:38.000 People start talking to me about, you know, rising up and like, you know, whatever.

04:10:43.000 And I don't want to get unoptical about what people say to me, but it's like, what's the game plan?

04:10:47.000 You know, what's the game plan?

04:10:48.000 Go up against the federal government, go up against the NSA, go up against the Department of Defense, go up against, you know, most of the country.

04:10:55.000 I mean, even the people that agree with us, a fraction of them would support something like that.

04:11:00.000 Forget about people that are adjacent.

04:11:03.000 Forget about people that are of our kin.

04:11:05.000 Forget about people that identify as conservative or Republican.

04:11:08.000 You're talking about such a small proportion that it leads me to believe that anybody who thinks that's viable is trying to get you in trouble.

04:11:15.000 Because I feel like only teenagers could buy into this fantasy that it's going to be the French Revolution and it's going to be Richard Spencer and Kurt Doolittle holding an AK 47 over the Capitol.

04:11:26.000 You're dreaming.

04:11:28.000 To me, it's just about practice.

04:11:29.000 The French Revolution also failed?

04:11:32.000 Yeah, yeah.

04:11:34.000 I think total collapse would.

04:11:36.000 Would do much more harm than good to the United States, definitely.

04:11:40.000 I just don't know.

04:11:42.000 I'm not exactly sure where we go from here because we're still in the same hellhole.

04:11:45.000 I mean, empires, you know, they collapse eventually.

04:11:49.000 I don't think we should.

04:11:50.000 I mean, there's still hope for change.

04:11:52.000 I don't think we should just, you know, I guess accelerate it into collapse.

04:11:56.000 But I don't know.

04:11:58.000 I guess it's just good to talk about.

04:12:01.000 I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with that.

04:12:03.000 Actually, I had one more.

04:12:05.000 I had another question or I have another question now, Nick.

04:12:07.000 What are your thoughts on the Federal Reserve?

04:12:10.000 You know, I used to be one of these end the Fed guys.

04:12:15.000 Fed is evil.

04:12:16.000 And, you know, I'm kind of ambivalent.

04:12:18.000 I mean, I get it.

04:12:19.000 I understand the argument that, like, you know, the Federal Reserve managing the monetary policy, like the Great Depression, you know, some say is a consequence of mismanagement by the Fed.

04:12:30.000 But I think that at this point, expenditure, yeah.

04:12:34.000 I think at this point, it's just the only practical way to do it.

04:12:36.000 I mean, I get the monetarist argument.

04:12:38.000 It seems like we're too dug into fiat at this point that we can't really get out of it.

04:12:42.000 Yeah, and I think also gold is impractical.

04:12:46.000 You know, and some people talk about like Bitcoin. 0.69

04:12:48.000 I think that's ridiculous.

04:12:49.000 Wait, wait, wait. 0.95

04:12:50.000 Why do you think gold is?

04:12:52.000 Well, because I think that if you're talking about the scale of the economy, the global economy today, I think that relying on gold for currency and finding gold, because I understand all these monetary arguments that the rate at which new gold is discovered is very stable.

04:13:11.000 So that means that the rate of the growth of the monetary base is stable and that's reliable.

04:13:17.000 But the idea of we're going to be conducting these giant transactions and they're all backed in.

04:13:22.000 Gold somewhere, you know, like Amazon's a trillion dollar company, like that's all backed in gold, like underground somewhere.

04:13:28.000 I mean, it just seems like no, but also, the trillion dollars not in pure, like obviously money, it's in assets, other things.

04:13:38.000 Yeah, I mean, it's technically not all monetary, but I get the point.

04:13:40.000 Yeah, it's not.

04:13:42.000 We're very much into a fiat system at this point.

04:13:46.000 It's kind of hard to get out of it.

04:13:47.000 Yeah, yeah, it is very hard.

04:13:49.000 Nick, can I ask a question about the book?

04:13:53.000 What was the book you were talking about on immigration?

04:13:57.000 Oh, Penheads and Patriots by Bill O'Reilly.

04:14:01.000 Oh, yeah.

04:14:01.000 No.

04:14:03.000 Yeah, it's called We Wanted Workers by George Borjas.

04:14:08.000 Oh, that is a good book.

04:14:09.000 Okay, Lawrence, if you want the Hoppean perspective, look up, I think it's called The Case for Free Trade and Closed Borders.

04:14:15.000 I forgot.

04:14:17.000 I'm looking for.

04:14:19.000 Wasn't Hoppe extremely anti immigration?

04:14:22.000 He still is.

04:14:23.000 He still is very anti immigration.

04:14:25.000 That's why I was personally hurt the other day when I was in this Zoom call and somebody called me a Keynesian because I'm anti immigration.

04:14:31.000 That hurt me more than anything, really.

04:14:34.000 I get Hoppe and Rothbard mixed up.

04:14:36.000 Sorry. 1.00

04:14:37.000 Well, Rothbard's a short little Jew, and Hoppe's. 1.00

04:14:41.000 Oh, jeez. 1.00

04:14:42.000 Watch the J word there.

04:14:42.000 Whoa.

04:14:43.000 That's the chosen one.

04:14:46.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

04:14:47.000 Hoppe's the better, more based version of Rothbard.

04:14:50.000 We'll just say that.

04:14:52.000 Well, Hoppe's like if Rothbard wouldn't have died.

04:14:54.000 Yeah.

04:14:54.000 Julio, also check your messages.

04:14:58.000 We really know what you're asking for.

04:15:01.000 No, because I need to save the video.

04:15:04.000 Also, Yo, Nick, who do you think has been the most important person to conservative movements?

04:15:11.000 One of the more quintessential figures to paleoconservatism?

04:15:14.000 Probably.

04:15:16.000 It's kind of tough because paleoconservatism, as it is, is already kind of niche.

04:15:22.000 Yeah, and really had no traction until America first revived this.

04:15:27.000 It's not to say that nobody was out there pushing it, maybe not by name, but I would say Pat Buchanan was probably the guy that put a face behind it.

04:15:37.000 Put it on a map, but I mean, there are a lot of like theorists, people like Sam Francis or Paul Gottfried and like Peter Brimelow.

04:15:45.000 There have been people who have been making the argument.

04:15:47.000 Was Huntington a paleoconservative?

04:15:49.000 Wait, wait, didn't Sam Huntington?

04:15:51.000 No, he was actually a liberal.

04:15:53.000 He was a liberal?

04:15:54.000 He didn't Rothbard.

04:15:55.000 Rothbard supported Pat Buchanan.

04:15:58.000 Yeah, it was a.

04:16:00.000 It's one of these like, it's like how I gave the example how I support Trump, kind of a weird coalition, like a national anti globalism and anti immigration.

04:16:09.000 Yeah.

04:16:10.000 Well, the thing about Huntington is that, like, he, if you read his book, Who Are We?, he's actually arguing from, like, a liberal perspective.

04:16:18.000 Like, his solution is, I mean, these problems are problems, whether you're right, left, it doesn't matter.

04:16:24.000 I mean, it's the same set of facts.

04:16:25.000 There are a lot of liberals that will acknowledge this.

04:16:27.000 And, you know, his solution is just this, you know, he wrote that book shortly after 9 11.

04:16:32.000 So it's still kind of like, well, can we still hang together based on, like, this resurgent patriotism?

04:16:38.000 And now his argument is, let's just make this new and improved civic.

04:16:41.000 Nationalism will just bind together by this creed, and it's like that.

04:16:45.000 It just can't, it's necessarily cannot work.

04:16:47.000 In the early 1980s, roughly 50 different companies owned 90% of the public.

04:16:52.000 Hey, you know the libertarian iPalace on TikTok?

04:16:55.000 They already made a video about the debate saying they won.

04:17:00.000 About this debate? 1.00

04:17:00.000 They got their ass. 1.00

04:17:01.000 Oh, no, I didn't. 1.00

04:17:03.000 We BTF-owned them and they said they won.

04:17:03.000 I'm asking.

04:17:07.000 Yo, I got a question, Nick.

04:17:10.000 I mean, not Nick, Nick, Nick, not Nick, not Nick.

04:17:10.000 Yeah.

04:17:12.000 Yo, Corn.

04:17:13.000 What was that verse about rebellion against authority?

04:17:17.000 It's like a valid dollar tree.

04:17:19.000 Yeah, give me a second.

04:17:20.000 I'll get it for you.

04:17:21.000 Yeah, because I got it. 0.81

04:17:24.000 Yeah, basically, America was born out of witchcraft. 0.60

04:17:26.000 Like, we should still be Lord of the King.

04:17:28.000 We should still be Lord of the King, man.

04:17:30.000 Freedom is Satanism.

04:17:34.000 You know what else was from Satan? 0.79

04:17:36.000 Protestantism. 0.98

04:17:37.000 That's why there are 20,000 different denominations.

04:17:40.000 That's why there's never.

04:17:42.000 Devil trick.

04:17:42.000 Sorry.

04:17:43.000 Yeah, everybody needs to become Eastern Orthodox. 1.00

04:17:48.000 Oh, cringe. 1.00

04:17:49.000 Damn, you're not a Catholic. 1.00

04:17:52.000 You know, priests aren't raping little boys. 1.00

04:17:55.000 The Catholic Church doesn't do that. 1.00

04:17:57.000 Everybody rapes. 1.00

04:17:59.000 The Catholic Church, that is such a lie. 1.00

04:18:03.000 What I mean is, every religion has its religion, has the most pedophiles. 0.99

04:18:10.000 I'm not saying. 0.94

04:18:11.000 I don't think we can name.

04:18:13.000 Why can't we name?

04:18:14.000 Why can't we name?

04:18:15.000 I'm not going to name it.

04:18:16.000 This is a no name.

04:18:18.000 I don't want to name it.

04:18:21.000 Dude, I can't name him.

04:18:23.000 I don't want to commit suicide tomorrow.

04:18:25.000 I'm going to say is in the tower. 0.75

04:18:28.000 It's a very controlling religion. 0.99

04:18:36.000 I'll shut up. 1.00

04:18:38.000 I'll shut up. 0.99

04:18:39.000 Who's even on this call? 0.91

04:18:41.000 I thought you guys were classical liberals.

04:18:43.000 No, I don't feel bad.

04:18:44.000 All the classical liberals went to bed.

04:18:46.000 I hate that.

04:18:47.000 The only people.

04:18:50.000 Wait, the only people.

04:18:52.000 Okay, so other than him, the only other people who are like.

04:18:56.000 Yeah, me.

04:18:59.000 I'm the best anti-libertarian.

04:19:02.000 The verse, by the way.

04:19:04.000 Lawrence, what do you think of age of consent?

04:19:07.000 Oh.

04:19:08.000 Well, a private city would be able to implement it, and you would need age of consent laws to drive people to your private city.

04:19:15.000 Are you an ANCAP?

04:19:17.000 Yeah, I am.

04:19:18.000 Oh, no.

04:19:20.000 Cringe.

04:19:21.000 That is mega cringe. 1.00

04:19:23.000 Damn, Lawrence. 0.99

04:19:24.000 Bro, look, man, I'm a libertarian and everything. 1.00

04:19:27.000 Lawrence, I'm a classical liberal.

04:19:28.000 It's like, I haven't read much into ANCAP, right?

04:19:31.000 But again, how do you have a capitalistic society when literally you're not, you're like, who's going to enforce contracts?

04:19:38.000 Who's going to make sure that mutual benefits from contracts arise?

04:19:41.000 Private rights enforcement agencies.

04:19:43.000 Okay, so whoever has the bigger private rights enforcement agency gets the better contract, gets to just get out of any contract they want, right?

04:19:54.000 Yeah, it's called competition, bro.

04:19:56.000 Yeah, bro, have you heard of the free market?

04:19:58.000 Have you read Milton Friedman, bro?

04:19:59.000 I'm going to raise an army and subjugate.

04:20:02.000 All the weaker private contracting companies, and that's just competition, man.

04:20:07.000 Yo, Nick, yo, Nick, I got a MJ, MJ, I'm not fully read on the rights on the private police.

04:20:15.000 I just started reading Chaos Theory today.

04:20:18.000 Just give up, give up, Pedro, Pedro, give up on that and just start reading more by season Hyatt.

04:20:27.000 Yeah, you guys are too libertarian for me, man.

04:20:30.000 Why did you make a post that you guys won the debate?

04:20:34.000 I made a post like going on against one thing.

04:20:37.000 Which debate? 1.00

04:20:38.000 The immigration debate, I'll agree.

04:20:38.000 Our debate?

04:20:40.000 The immigration debate, that was yours. 0.98

04:20:42.000 We didn't win.

04:20:43.000 We won all the debates.

04:20:44.000 Exactly.

04:20:45.000 Economic one, you think you won the economic one?

04:20:48.000 The trade argument, yeah. 1.00

04:20:50.000 Yeah, I beat your ass. 1.00

04:20:53.000 Immigration, immigration, you just won. 1.00

04:20:57.000 Immigration, I was coming into that knowing I was gonna lose, right? 0.99

04:21:02.000 You were annihilated on everything completely beyond repair. 0.99

04:21:08.000 Nick, your own source proved you proved that's literally not true.

04:21:17.000 I'm coming from it from a genuine perspective.

04:21:20.000 Immigration, I literally said it before, like before Jordan started.

04:21:22.000 I said, I'm not gonna like this, I'm not gonna like this talk at all. 0.94

04:21:26.000 And I knew I wasn't gonna like it. 1.00

04:21:27.000 Well, immigration is a part of it, too.

04:21:28.000 We won all.

04:21:30.000 All right, guys, are you?

04:21:32.000 I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna sit here.

04:21:34.000 What's your ticket really good?

04:21:35.000 I'll probably get where you're going.

04:21:37.000 I'm gonna give it to Corn, yeah.

04:21:42.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, no, I'm giving it to the to the to the only other paleo here, man.

04:21:50.000 No good, yeah, Julio.

04:21:52.000 Julio, I believe in monarchy. 1.00

04:21:54.000 I should have the fucking thing, bro. 0.99

04:21:55.000 Julio, I'll pay you $3,000. 0.99

04:21:58.000 Hey, Nick, could you give us your top five book recommendations, please?

04:22:01.000 Please put these out, everybody.

04:22:03.000 Nick, it was good talking to you.

04:22:04.000 I'm excited to talk to you.

04:22:07.000 You were saying you were the king of optics, right?

04:22:10.000 Yes.

04:22:11.000 So, I've been talking to Lolly Socks.

04:22:17.000 He is not optical.

04:22:19.000 Yeah, no.

04:22:20.000 There is literally.

04:22:21.000 He is unoptical in every way that you can be unoptical.

04:22:24.000 Okay, okay.

04:22:25.000 I'll drop that.

04:22:26.000 Dude, he's hilarious. 1.00

04:22:28.000 So, Nick, why don't you support corporations getting 4 million illegal immigrants so that they can exploit workers? 1.00

04:22:38.000 That's pretty cringe. 1.00

04:22:41.000 I agree.

04:22:43.000 Yo, Nick, a woman did it. 0.75

04:22:44.000 I did the Arab numeral. 0.93

04:22:46.000 She said hi. 1.00

04:22:47.000 Oh, fuck off. 1.00

04:22:48.000 Who said hi? 1.00

04:22:50.000 I heard that.

04:22:51.000 The Arab numerals.

04:22:53.000 I got it.

04:22:55.000 I got it.

04:22:57.000 Yo, Nick.

04:22:58.000 Fuentes, I know someone who's a huge fan of you.

04:23:00.000 Her name's Femmoid Lily, and she said hi.

04:23:04.000 Oh my god. 0.83

04:23:05.000 Didn't she become a liberal?

04:23:08.000 Are you kidding me? 1.00

04:23:09.000 I'm all for women's rights. 1.00

04:23:11.000 I'm all for women's rights as long as it's not for Femmoid Lily. 1.00

04:23:16.000 I have a quick question for you guys. 1.00

04:23:19.000 God damn. 0.99

04:23:20.000 Dude, I want to. 1.00

04:23:24.000 Okay.

04:23:25.000 He asked so many questions.

04:23:27.000 Like, he asked, like, 10 questions.

04:23:27.000 Okay.

04:23:30.000 Okay, I'm not gonna lie to you.

04:23:32.000 I'm not gonna lie to you. 1.00

04:23:34.000 The first like real groyper I interacted with was Femmoid Lily, and she just made me hate that movement for the rest of the world. 1.00

04:23:43.000 Well, yeah, no, she's not a let me tell listen. 0.99

04:23:46.000 Femmoid Lily told me that the America First movement was paying her to make those posts. 0.67

04:23:52.000 Let me guys tell you something.

04:23:55.000 I would literally never give away nothing more than ever.

04:23:58.000 Femmoid Lily is a larp, she is an esoteric. 1.00

04:24:03.000 She is a LARPer and just a fed. 1.00

04:24:03.000 This. 1.00

04:24:05.000 She's such a dude. 0.98

04:24:07.000 The only time she speaks is such a fed. 0.99

04:24:09.000 I actually had a serious conversation with Femmoid Lily. 1.00

04:24:12.000 She called me cute and we discussed how she said she wanted to buy a plantation just so she knew that black slaves worked the fields. 1.00

04:24:21.000 Man, why are you guys exposing her like this?

04:24:24.000 She's not even here to defend herself.

04:24:26.000 She's like, I don't agree with any of this.

04:24:28.000 No, I don't agree with any of this.

04:24:30.000 Corn, corn, corn. 0.94

04:24:32.000 No, you're slandering her.

04:24:33.000 No, no, you know, you know, there we go.

04:24:35.000 White knight to the rest.

04:24:36.000 I mean, it's true.

04:24:37.000 It's true.

04:24:38.000 Shining armor.

04:24:39.000 No, I'll bring her.

04:24:41.000 Bro, bro, something is so happy.

04:24:43.000 I'm not saying I do not like her.

04:24:47.000 I disagree with her.

04:24:48.000 I'll throw myself on the sword.

04:24:51.000 Speaking of Female Lily, she messaged me earlier. 0.69

04:24:56.000 Oh, gosh, the chat's going to be fine.

04:24:57.000 If I could get Nick to host the debate.

04:25:01.000 Maybe I should have just said, Unmute Optics King.

04:25:05.000 He's a big fan.

04:25:06.000 Nick, your DLive chat, half of it consisted of them just trying to guess my ethnicity.

04:25:11.000 It was just them trying to guess my ethnicity until.

04:25:14.000 I thought you were Asian.

04:25:18.000 I was looking at you out of the corner of my eye and thought you were like Chinese. 1.00

04:25:22.000 That's why I was talking shit about China. 1.00

04:25:23.000 I thought I'd piss you off. 1.00

04:25:25.000 I was like, yeah, China's dumber than us. 1.00

04:25:28.000 I brought up Africa specifically to try to get it down that time. 1.00

04:25:31.000 Yo, MJ. 0.70

04:25:32.000 Yo, MJ. 1.00

04:25:34.000 You're African. 0.98

04:25:35.000 So you posted a TikTok calling Nick Fuentes a fascist. 0.89

04:25:39.000 That's because I really don't want.

04:25:41.000 Guess what?

04:25:41.000 Guess what, buddy?

04:25:42.000 Guess what, buddy?

04:25:43.000 I don't want the University of Chicago to think that I like Nick Fuentes.

04:25:47.000 Right, Nick, are you right?

04:25:49.000 I'm sorry, Nick.

04:25:50.000 I'm sorry, Nick.

04:25:51.000 I got it.

04:25:53.000 I just speak.

04:25:53.000 No video.

04:25:54.000 MJ, I'm still recording.

04:25:57.000 Wait. 1.00

04:26:00.000 Hey, Finmore Lily's trying to get in here. 1.00

04:26:03.000 No, I'm like, don't let her in, let her in, let her in. 0.79

04:26:07.000 Let me ask Nick.

04:26:08.000 Yo, and you were like, yo, yo, you don't want to.

04:26:12.000 I've sounded like I'm more than Lily.

04:26:15.000 You were actually so sus, man.

04:26:16.000 I'm going to cut this out of the audio, right?

04:26:18.000 Nick, I do not actually think you're a fascist.

04:26:23.000 I disagree with you, but I don't think you're a fascist.

04:26:25.000 I agree with you. 1.00

04:26:26.000 MJ, you're a horrible person. 1.00

04:26:27.000 Do not tell everybody a fascist. 1.00

04:26:29.000 Do not tell Femmoy Lily. 0.89

04:26:31.000 No, corn. 0.93

04:26:32.000 Okay, okay. 0.98

04:26:32.000 Corn. 0.98

04:26:33.000 If you were not a fascist, I would kill myself. 1.00

04:26:36.000 I would be devastated. 1.00

04:26:37.000 Hey, Nick, are you a Catholic? 0.85

04:26:39.000 I've asked you a Catholic question.

04:26:41.000 Oh, now, okay. 1.00

04:26:42.000 Now, Femmoy Lily wants you to unmute her. 0.98

04:26:45.000 Bro, in the libertarian house. 1.00

04:26:47.000 Wait, she's unmuted. 0.92

04:26:49.000 He's a woman. 0.99

04:26:50.000 No, somebody mute her. 1.00

04:26:51.000 Someone put her in Lily the way Femmoid Lily is why women shouldn't speak unless spoken. 1.00

04:26:56.000 You fuck Femmoid Lily, bro. 1.00

04:26:58.000 Femmoid Lily, Nick Fuentes. 1.00

04:27:01.000 The only good Femmoid is an apolitical Femmoid. 0.61

04:27:04.000 What's up, man?

04:27:05.000 I don't like it.

04:27:07.000 Oh, who unmuted her?

04:27:08.000 I'm not. 0.91

04:27:09.000 Femmoid Lily's muted.

04:27:11.000 So, to everybody in your chat here, you are actually in Chicago. 0.60

04:27:15.000 University of Chicago is just my dream school.

04:27:18.000 Oh, right, right.

04:27:20.000 Wait, does anyone really.

04:27:23.000 I did that.

04:27:24.000 Why does your chat hate family so much?

04:27:28.000 Jesus Christ. 0.92

04:27:28.000 What did she do? 0.92

04:27:30.000 I mean, she asked me.

04:27:30.000 I don't even know what it is.

04:27:32.000 You know, I'm just a nice person. 1.00

04:27:34.000 Family is a dumb, stupid person. 1.00

04:27:36.000 You've just said some questionable shit. 1.00

04:27:41.000 What did I say? 1.00

04:27:42.000 James, awesome, bro.

04:27:44.000 Yes, let's talk.

04:27:45.000 Okay, yo, no, Hey, Nick, can we play Fortnite together sometime?

04:27:56.000 Yeah, let's play some Fortnite together sometime.

04:28:01.000 Yeah, yeah.

04:28:04.000 Oh, Warzone, bro.

04:28:07.000 Are you Nick?

04:28:08.000 What's your thoughts on Bosch?

04:28:10.000 Do you think you'll ever debate him?

04:28:12.000 No, because he won't.

04:28:13.000 I've offered to debate him many, many times. 1.00

04:28:16.000 He's trying to take a fucking shower. 0.99

04:28:18.000 He tried to actually have a break here. 0.99

04:28:22.000 Nick, my Nick videos tried to bring him in.

04:28:24.000 Videos tried to bring him in, and I'm pretty sure.

04:28:27.000 Like, we tried DMing him on Twitter, and he said, No, I want to debate him on whether or not his girlfriend is bad. 1.00

04:28:37.000 Yeah, who hey, Nick, bro, Vosh literally like said something about horse cocks being hot, and he's such a fucking yeah, he's a fucking gross degenerate. 1.00

04:28:50.000 He is his fat girlfriend. 1.00

04:28:52.000 Yo, yeah, his fat. 0.98

04:28:53.000 Wait, have you guys seen those videos on Google? 0.97

04:28:57.000 It's like videos, but it's an image of like his naked girlfriend walking in the room.

04:29:06.000 The biggest frame here is having to look at Vosh's. 1.00

04:29:08.000 Fucked ear, I swear to god. 1.00

04:29:10.000 Every time I see him, what the hell even is that? 1.00

04:29:13.000 I don't know, I think he got like ear stretchers, it just come up like terribly.

04:29:18.000 I got some questions for you, yeah.

04:29:22.000 Okay, first, I'm a fan.

04:29:29.000 What are you quiet for?

04:29:33.000 Wait, he's muted.

04:29:34.000 Do you guys want me to unmute him?

04:29:38.000 Yeah, out of breath.

04:29:41.000 Yo, so, um, I agree on a lot of things, but I'm the greatest one in my life. 0.99

04:29:47.000 Oh, shut up. 1.00

04:29:49.000 Yo, shut the fuck up, dumb. 1.00

04:29:51.000 Oh my god. 1.00

04:29:52.000 Can we get a white jury? 0.99

04:29:54.000 Uh, white. 0.88

04:29:55.000 Yo, Nick, bro, I'm a huge fan. 0.99

04:29:57.000 I was gonna say that.

04:29:59.000 Like, I really understand.

04:30:01.000 What were you gonna say?

04:30:04.000 I was gonna ask Nick Fuentes a question.

04:30:07.000 Uh, I don't think he should.

04:30:09.000 No, no, no, no.

04:30:11.000 It's no hate.

04:30:12.000 It's an actual question.

04:30:14.000 Yo, why did you put your name?

04:30:22.000 You deserve what you're about to get, buddy.

04:30:25.000 Wait, wait.

04:30:26.000 I just want to ask one question, bro.

04:30:29.000 Go ahead.

04:30:31.000 Okay, so, like, Nick, so, like, I'm Protestant, right?

04:30:34.000 And you're Catholic. 0.79

04:30:36.000 Correct. 1.00

04:30:38.000 Like, at a corner, do not say anything.

04:30:41.000 Oh, no, my mouth is corny.

04:30:43.000 Do you think that a Protestant in your eyes. 0.96

04:30:46.000 Do you think a Protestant will go to heaven? 0.92

04:30:50.000 No. 0.91

04:30:51.000 According to Catholic doctrine, there's no salvation outside the church.

04:30:55.000 But, you know, of course, it's the ultimate decisions up to God.

04:31:00.000 So, you know.

04:31:02.000 Okay.

04:31:02.000 That's a great answer, man.

04:31:02.000 Yeah.

04:31:04.000 That's exactly what I told you.

04:31:04.000 Thank you.

04:31:06.000 So, you're like, all Protestants are leading their way. 1.00

04:31:10.000 No, no, no. 0.98

04:31:12.000 I said, you asked me.

04:31:13.000 I said that's what he was going to say because Catholic.

04:31:17.000 No, Catholic, you know.

04:31:18.000 Doctrine is no salvation outside of the church.

04:31:22.000 That's what I. Excuse me.

04:31:24.000 Okay, okay, okay, okay.

04:31:25.000 Yeah, I understand.

04:31:27.000 Nick, how many push ups can you do?

04:31:30.000 A hundred. 1.00

04:31:31.000 Fuck yeah. 1.00

04:31:33.000 King. 1.00

04:31:33.000 You know what's better than civilization? 1.00

04:31:37.000 Fucking Hearts Firing 4 or EU4. 1.00

04:31:37.000 What? 1.00

04:31:40.000 Those are EU4s.

04:31:42.000 I like this game because it's a baby game. 1.00

04:31:44.000 That's why I win every time. 1.00

04:31:47.000 Yo, Nick, bro, I just told my lesbian friend I was in a Zoom call with you and I got to ask you what. 0.98

04:31:53.000 And she was like, that's the W.

04:31:55.000 And then she asked if you were homophobic.

04:31:57.000 And I said, yes, extremely.

04:31:58.000 And she got mad.

04:32:01.000 Yo, Fuentes is answering super chats at 5 a.m. for free.

04:32:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

04:32:06.000 Tell me about it.

04:32:07.000 People are commenting on that.

04:32:08.000 Hey, but we appreciate it, though.

04:32:10.000 We appreciate it. 0.99

04:32:11.000 Nick, it's Femmoid Lily. 1.00

04:32:12.000 I have a question for you. 1.00

04:32:13.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

04:32:14.000 Someone meet her next.

04:32:15.000 You didn't listen. 1.00

04:32:16.000 Fuck that, you dumb bitch. 1.00

04:32:17.000 First, it's about church. 1.00

04:32:20.000 I'll answer your question.

04:32:20.000 Okay.

04:32:20.000 I'll talk.

04:32:22.000 Nick, we're supposed to be best friends here.

04:32:24.000 We're all supposed to be friends.

04:32:25.000 Didn't you make it? 1.00

04:32:26.000 TikTok saying how you weren't even a Groiber. 0.98

04:32:28.000 You were just going to be a liberal or something? 0.96

04:32:31.000 No, my TikToks. 1.00

04:32:34.000 The G. Shut up, woman. 1.00

04:32:35.000 Literally farther than you. 1.00

04:32:38.000 Get out of here.

04:32:39.000 Take your call.

04:32:40.000 I swear Nick Videos just said that you told him something along the lines of like that you got paid for those. 1.00

04:32:47.000 I got paid by a bunch of Twitter fags to promote something I already believed. 0.99

04:32:51.000 You did? 1.00

04:32:51.000 Oh my god. 1.00

04:32:52.000 Wow.

04:32:54.000 You don't impress.

04:32:56.000 You're impressed.

04:32:57.000 I'm sorry.

04:32:58.000 Are you talking about Henry?

04:33:00.000 Did you just say I dated a group? 1.00

04:33:01.000 Are you talking about fucking Henry? 0.99

04:33:02.000 Dude, Goldman Sheckelberg. 0.99

04:33:05.000 Did you see this guy?

04:33:07.000 Who's in charge of the Zoom call? 0.90

04:33:08.000 Boys' Club. 0.96

04:33:09.000 Boys only. 0.97

04:33:10.000 Whoever let her in. 1.00

04:33:11.000 Oh, yeah, I can do it.

04:33:13.000 There, I muted her.

04:33:14.000 Generic Joe.

04:33:16.000 Yeah, I can mute her. 0.99

04:33:18.000 I can mute her.

04:33:18.000 I'm muted here.

04:33:19.000 Don't worry.

04:33:21.000 Sorry, babe. 1.00

04:33:23.000 No e girls. 1.00

04:33:23.000 You know the rules. 1.00

04:33:25.000 Who has the clue?

04:33:27.000 Who's got the clue? 1.00

04:33:30.000 No e girls. 1.00

04:33:32.000 I'm sorry, Brittany Venti. 1.00

04:33:33.000 I'm sorry.

04:33:34.000 But you know the rules.

04:33:36.000 Just kidding me out. 1.00

04:33:37.000 No e girls ever, never. 1.00

04:33:40.000 Yo, man, I'm having some deja vu. 1.00

04:33:41.000 Sorry, sorry, darling. 0.99

04:33:44.000 Yeah, speaking about, bro, why the fuck did you get banned off of like YouTube and all these fucking applications? 0.97

04:33:50.000 I did not know about it until like what, like a week ago. 0.99

04:33:53.000 I'm not gonna lie.

04:33:54.000 Like, why did you get banned off of it?

04:33:55.000 Because I'm waking white people up.

04:33:59.000 I'm leading the mass. 0.63

04:34:01.000 See, see, see, I disagree.

04:34:03.000 I disagree with a lot of your beliefs, right?

04:34:05.000 And I think that's kind of obvious, right?

04:34:08.000 Even then, I wouldn't go as far as to just go like and say, oh.

04:34:11.000 Well, let's just ban him off of YouTube.

04:34:13.000 Let's ban him off of Twitter.

04:34:14.000 Let's ban him off of this and that and that.

04:34:16.000 Like, what's the point?

04:34:18.000 Who's this?

04:34:19.000 You know, the marketplace of ideas.

04:34:22.000 That's why. 0.98

04:34:23.000 Imagine if we didn't have democracy, though, to brainwash white people into hating themselves. 0.97

04:34:29.000 We would be so much better. 1.00

04:34:31.000 I mean, no immigration, fuck capitalism. 1.00

04:34:34.000 We would go back to God. 1.00

04:34:36.000 We would be just such a better situation.

04:34:38.000 But no. 1.00

04:34:41.000 Europeans all hate themselves. 1.00

04:34:43.000 Well, most of them, anyway, especially the women. 1.00

04:34:46.000 That's why he's a white woman. 0.96

04:34:51.000 Like, we conquered America, and now all that's getting conquered is black men conquering white women. 0.99

04:34:58.000 No, no, they will have children with dogs before their own children. 1.00

04:35:04.000 That is true.

04:35:05.000 Nick, a friend of mine has a question.

04:35:07.000 She's asking basically if there's any good offers approving God besides Thomas Aquinas.

04:35:17.000 Prophecies.

04:35:18.000 Yeah, such as.

04:35:19.000 Or you mean like evidence?

04:35:23.000 Philosophers.

04:35:24.000 Just philosophical ideas in general.

04:35:26.000 Yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot in like, like, Thomism, there's a lot of like fusion with like Greek thought, like Aristotle and things like that.

04:35:35.000 So Aristotle's good.

04:35:36.000 Augustine's good.

04:35:40.000 But, you know, off the top of my head, that's the go to.

04:35:42.000 I mean, that's the best.

04:35:43.000 Why would you go with anything other than the best?

04:35:47.000 Nick, do you think that you like obliterate like Bosch in the debate, like absolutely destroy him?

04:35:52.000 Yeah, yeah, because when you guys agree, can you already say that earlier?

04:35:58.000 Well, do you think that's a good idea? 0.92

04:35:59.000 I mean, Nick, Nick, Nick, you're the only one that has the fucking things for both Bosch and Nick Fuentes, so. 0.87

04:36:09.000 What do you mean I don't have the things for them? 0.99

04:36:11.000 What the fuck? 0.98

04:36:12.000 What do you, what does that mean? 1.00

04:36:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

04:36:14.000 The things, the fucking, it's 4 a.m., man. 1.00

04:36:17.000 It's 4 a.m., the contact. 1.00

04:36:21.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

04:36:23.000 The Bosch is in the pussy. 1.00

04:36:24.000 Give me a call. 1.00

04:36:26.000 You beat the in both those debates, bro.

04:36:30.000 I want to get, listen, I want to get you and Vosh in the Zoom at the same time and just have y'all hash it out.

04:36:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I've always been open to doing that, but he doesn't want to do it because I'm, you know.

04:36:41.000 Yo, what if you came in as like a different name and then like we got him in and then like we tricked him?

04:36:47.000 You would probably leave.

04:36:49.000 I mean, no, no, no.

04:36:50.000 We could literally just put Nick, Nick.

04:36:51.000 We can just put your names like Nick Videos.

04:36:54.000 I mean, I would, I'd be down to do it, but I'm sure he would just leave.

04:36:57.000 No, Nick Flat did it.

04:36:58.000 No, we could try it.

04:37:00.000 We could try it.

04:37:03.000 Is this getting clipped, bro?

04:37:03.000 Sure.

04:37:04.000 I want to see Bosch react. 0.99

04:37:06.000 Yeah, we can't have fucking clips about this, bro. 0.99

04:37:09.000 Wait. 0.99

04:37:10.000 Bro, who's. 1.00

04:37:11.000 Someone delete the recordings of this shit. 1.00

04:37:13.000 That debate. 1.00

04:37:14.000 Oh, yeah, someone recorded it.

04:37:15.000 That's so weird.

04:37:17.000 Those two weeks.

04:37:18.000 Tell them to delete it.

04:37:20.000 I mean, Nick's recording it.

04:37:22.000 He's watching it.

04:37:23.000 Oh, yeah.

04:37:24.000 Oh, yeah.

04:37:25.000 Go follow me on TikTok.

04:37:26.000 Nick Fuentes fans, go follow me on TikTok.

04:37:30.000 Go follow me on TikTok.

04:37:33.000 Go follow me, Rommler.

04:37:35.000 Um, Seb and uh, please ask for everyone listening, don't follow any of them.

04:37:40.000 So many clout jokes.

04:37:43.000 This is my generic trap.

04:37:46.000 Who is host of the Zoom?

04:37:47.000 I am no clue.

04:37:49.000 I got given host by Julio.

04:37:52.000 Why would he give you?

04:37:54.000 Why is he talking about my codes? 1.00

04:37:56.000 You motherfucker, because you were muting me, bro. 1.00

04:37:59.000 Okay, give me my codes back. 1.00

04:38:00.000 Who the fuck are you? 1.00

04:38:03.000 No, you're not. 1.00

04:38:03.000 I'm God. 1.00

04:38:05.000 No, you're not.

04:38:06.000 Watch that, buddy. 1.00

04:38:07.000 Shut up. 1.00

04:38:08.000 Shut up. 1.00

04:38:09.000 Bro, you know what the saints say about blasphemy? 1.00

04:38:13.000 We should drive a sword through your back. 1.00

04:38:15.000 You better watch yourself. 1.00

04:38:17.000 You're right.

04:38:18.000 I'm sorry.

04:38:19.000 I'm sorry. 1.00

04:38:20.000 Give Coas to somebody who's actually no.

04:38:23.000 Yeah, I'm going to give Coas to somebody else.

04:38:23.000 Oh, no.

04:38:24.000 Give me Coas to somebody else.

04:38:27.000 Give me Coas to Oba.

04:38:28.000 Who do you recommend? 0.70

04:38:30.000 Give me Coas. 1.00

04:38:32.000 Give Oba. 1.00

04:38:33.000 You know what?

04:38:34.000 I'm giving it back to Nick Videos.

04:38:36.000 He's more capable than I am.

04:38:38.000 Yeah, he's also Owenberg.

04:38:40.000 Nick Viz.

04:38:41.000 Is Jaden on this call?

04:38:43.000 There's who?

04:38:45.000 Jaden.

04:38:46.000 Jaden's not in there.

04:38:47.000 Free Jaden.

04:38:50.000 Wait, Nick, I have a question.

04:38:51.000 As someone who's Catholic, right, how do you support the Catholic Church in a sense when they've been historically very anti nationalist, especially during the 19th century movements in the Gandolian places?

04:39:03.000 I'm just kind of curious on that.

04:39:05.000 I think that there's nothing that's in Catholicism that's against nationalism.

04:39:10.000 I think the problem with.

04:39:12.000 Nationalism and like 1848, and like the other revolutions happening, is that they were against the Catholic monarchs, you know? 0.97

04:39:20.000 And like, historically, I agree. 0.96

04:39:22.000 You agree.

04:39:24.000 There's definitely differences within like different religions, like Mormonism, Protestantism.

04:39:28.000 I mean, we had wars over it.

04:39:30.000 So, like, isn't it doesn't it make sense though?

04:39:32.000 From like when we talk about culture, we have to talk about culture in a sense that we're specifically speaking to not only American culture, but like Catholic American culture because you were mentioning a lot of tolerance towards different religions.

04:39:44.000 Yo, Jaden is Jenny.

04:39:48.000 Yeah, I already unmuted him.

04:39:50.000 Jaden's this thing on.

04:39:52.000 This thing is on, Jaden.

04:39:54.000 Hello, how's everyone doing?

04:39:56.000 Hi.

04:39:57.000 I'm good.

04:39:57.000 How are you?

04:39:59.000 I'm vibing.

04:40:00.000 Who's Jaden?

04:40:01.000 I have a question.

04:40:02.000 I have a question for Nick Lowenberg.

04:40:07.000 If I'm allowed, I mean, I don't know.

04:40:09.000 I can get optics cucked if needed, but I have a question.

04:40:16.000 Nick, so do you still hate Trump this week, or are you back on the Trump campaign?

04:40:23.000 I'm a national conservative, but I don't really like Trump.

04:40:29.000 You went from libertarian to liberal, like leftist.

04:40:34.000 Loki been like a classical liberal.

04:40:36.000 I've just kind of like, you know what I mean?

04:40:39.000 You used Trump for clout.

04:40:41.000 No, no.

04:40:42.000 I mean, it's classical liberal.

04:40:45.000 I don't know.

04:40:46.000 I was like a classical liberal and I like kind of became like a minarchist and like now I'm back to like, now I'm like.

04:40:53.000 Like a conservatarian?

04:40:55.000 No, I'm not a conservatarian.

04:40:56.000 I'm a national conservative now.

04:40:58.000 Well, no, but like.

04:40:59.000 Yeah, did your brother read?

04:41:01.000 Yeah, your brother red pill.

04:41:03.000 Yo, what's the mix?

04:41:04.000 That's what I was saying. 0.95

04:41:05.000 Why do we have so many people unmuted now?

04:41:07.000 I don't know. 0.93

04:41:07.000 They should all be muted. 0.93

04:41:08.000 I just want to ask you why we don't host to random ass people and why we don't give comments.

04:41:13.000 I mean, it's really not that problem.

04:41:15.000 Not too many people are talking over each other.

04:41:16.000 I think it's fine.

04:41:18.000 I don't know.

04:41:19.000 It just seems like what I, from an outside perspective, you were my favorite conservative TikToker. 1.00

04:41:26.000 You red pilled me and you went and hung out with some BLM liberal women, had some dirty sex. 1.00

04:41:34.000 And then you were left. 1.00

04:41:36.000 I was just upset.

04:41:38.000 Hey, that text was fake.

04:41:40.000 Second of all, um, text, what text? 1.00

04:41:44.000 That text, that one, that fake text to that girl, one dumb fucking whore. 1.00

04:41:49.000 Dr. I just want to know what's happening. 1.00

04:41:54.000 That's all I was just now.

04:41:56.000 You're like based making Israel jokes.

04:42:00.000 I don't know.

04:42:00.000 Listen, 17 people, there were 17 or 18 people at that event.

04:42:04.000 I don't remember.

04:42:05.000 Three of them were left leaning.

04:42:07.000 Everyone else was right leaning.

04:42:08.000 So it wasn't that.

04:42:10.000 If I'm not mistaken, like, honestly, like, I don't know if you've been here before, but like, Nick was like considering like classical liberalism.

04:42:19.000 But now he's a nationalist.

04:42:21.000 And, you know, I just saw my favorite Nick videos.

04:42:25.000 I saw Lance videos.

04:42:26.000 He's making magic tricks.

04:42:27.000 I haven't seen the last time he made political.

04:42:29.000 My other favorite conservative, Adi Bonti.

04:42:32.000 I just haven't seen the political content.

04:42:34.000 And I'm just wondering what's happening to all these conservative.

04:42:37.000 TikTokers that woke me up on all the facts, and now I don't know. 0.95

04:42:41.000 I don't know where you stand on anything. 0.54

04:42:43.000 Red pill.

04:42:43.000 If you want to see a really based political TikTok account, look up Nazbol Hype House.

04:42:49.000 Yeah, Nazbol Hype House.

04:42:51.000 We're all on there.

04:42:52.000 No one's going to follow that.

04:42:53.000 We're going to be posting on July 19th.

04:42:55.000 Oh my God.

04:42:57.000 July 19th. 1.00

04:42:57.000 I don't have the fucking plug. 1.00

04:42:59.000 No, I don't care. 0.99

04:43:01.000 Yo, Nick, what do you think about European immigration?

04:43:04.000 We talked about this. 0.98

04:43:05.000 I don't believe in any immigration. 0.99

04:43:06.000 You're for or against it? 1.00

04:43:08.000 I'm asking for somebody to do it anyway.

04:43:09.000 We were talking about this for like three hours.

04:43:12.000 Like, what are you on?

04:43:13.000 Bro, I literally wasn't here, man.

04:43:14.000 Are you talking to me or Nick Lowenberg?

04:43:17.000 No, Nicholas Fuentes.

04:43:19.000 Yeah, we already talked about this extensively.

04:43:23.000 Wait, Nick, are you anti-Macedonian?

04:43:24.000 Separation of church and state?

04:43:26.000 Are you like pro-separation of church and state?

04:43:27.000 Do you believe they should be like together, the church and the state?

04:43:30.000 You know, at this stage in the game, it's like, you know, I think that's so far out from where we are, you know, building our way back to like.

04:43:38.000 Integralism.

04:43:39.000 I mean, I get it, but it's just not really like my priority.

04:43:43.000 Do you like the Pope?

04:43:43.000 I think that.

04:43:44.000 Like Pope Francis?

04:43:45.000 Not really, no.

04:43:47.000 Oh.

04:43:48.000 Are you a son of a cantist?

04:43:50.000 No, no.

04:43:51.000 I mean, I don't care for the Pope's political beliefs, but I'm not.

04:43:55.000 I respect his authority.

04:43:56.000 Are you more liberal, I think, compared to other popes, especially with regards to homosexuality?

04:44:01.000 But he's definitely, politically speaking, he's very anti-God.

04:44:06.000 Hey, Nick, what's your favorite Bible verse?

04:44:09.000 That's a tough one.

04:44:09.000 I don't know.

04:44:10.000 I'd have to think about that.

04:44:11.000 I don't really have a favorite.

04:44:13.000 Can I tell you mine?

04:44:15.000 Yeah.

04:44:17.000 No, nothing, bro.

04:44:19.000 I swear it's not an optical.

04:44:22.000 It's actually kind of a.

04:44:23.000 The Clive will can't be an optical.

04:44:26.000 No, no, no, no.

04:44:28.000 That's not what I meant.

04:44:29.000 I wasn't going to do like a synagogue of Satan thing, but Ecclesiastes 3 8, there is a time for love, there's a time for peace, and there's a time for war, and there's a time for hate.

04:44:40.000 And that's like, that is like one of my favorite Bible verses.

04:44:44.000 My favorite Bible verse is 1 Timothy 2 12. 0.89

04:44:47.000 I do not permit a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man because your entire TikTok is simply free, girls. 1.00

04:44:54.000 I just want to know are you done with political content or not? 0.98

04:44:59.000 That's my last question.

04:45:01.000 Yes.

04:45:02.000 Okay.

04:45:03.000 It's just, it's on, at least on TikTok.

04:45:05.000 I don't know about other platforms, but like TikTok, it's just, it's so toxic.

04:45:10.000 Like, it's so toxic.

04:45:12.000 Like, how toxic? 0.99

04:45:13.000 Like having people dox you, your kids, Freaking black dudes coming to my door asking my dad if Nick Videos is at my house, dude. 1.00

04:45:37.000 I had the whole football team after me. 1.00

04:45:39.000 Like, is that you?

04:45:41.000 I'm not backing down.

04:45:42.000 Wait, wait, wait.

04:45:43.000 Is that you?

04:45:44.000 It's McNeil.

04:45:44.000 You're the guy, yeah.

04:45:45.000 Floyd is a month, uh, crime free.

04:45:47.000 That's you.

04:45:50.000 Well, no, drugs.

04:45:53.000 That was Jaden.

04:45:55.000 That was Jaden McNeil.

04:45:56.000 What?

04:45:57.000 Well, he said he had the whole football team on him, and that guy's name's Jaden.

04:46:01.000 I just instantly assumed it is.

04:46:03.000 What are you talking about?

04:46:06.000 Bro, Nick did the when uh Nick when that happened and Nick did a show on you, bro.

04:46:10.000 I showed that show to my parents, bro.

04:46:12.000 Based, Nick videos, what was your main reasoning for canceling the debate with Vosh in the first place?

04:46:20.000 Just because you were moving away from like political content or something.

04:46:25.000 Do you hear?

04:46:28.000 I'm gonna answer.

04:46:29.000 Why is everybody spamming J?

04:46:32.000 Oh, it's I'm surprised why I'm like left unscathed.

04:46:41.000 Man, that debate Destiny did with like Eric Stryker and that other Wig and that, bro. 1.00

04:46:47.000 They're so retarded. 1.00

04:46:49.000 James also sounds brain dead. 1.00

04:46:51.000 Yeah, they're both retarded, bro. 1.00

04:46:52.000 It's either you like dissident right, you either get really smart people or really retarded. 1.00

04:46:57.000 James also has Down syndrome. 1.00

04:47:00.000 Everyone knows.

04:47:00.000 Wait, hold up.

04:47:01.000 Did you do a podcast with him?

04:47:02.000 Didn't you put up a podcast with him?

04:47:04.000 Yeah, Nationalist Review.

04:47:04.000 Yeah, yeah, years ago.

04:47:07.000 Oh my God.

04:47:07.000 I remember.

04:47:08.000 I used to watch him and stuff.

04:47:09.000 Oh boy, that's when I first learned about Nick Fuentes.

04:47:13.000 It was on Nationalist Review.

04:47:15.000 I remember because I remember because of Bloodsports, because of Andy Worski and stuff.

04:47:15.000 Good time.

04:47:20.000 Oh, that's a long time ago.

04:47:22.000 Yeah, I didn't even know anything about Nick Fuentes like until uh, what's her name, Lily. 0.92

04:47:28.000 I just remember, I remember all his people going up to Turningport and just saying things like, How is anal sex winning the culture war? 0.98

04:47:36.000 Hell yeah, great. 1.00

04:47:38.000 This is the best.

04:47:40.000 I'm not even a nationalist, but it's like.

04:47:45.000 Huh?

04:47:48.000 What? 1.00

04:47:49.000 What the fuck? 1.00

04:47:49.000 What? 1.00

04:47:52.000 All right, do we got any more questions, boys?

04:47:56.000 Yeah, I got one more question.

04:47:59.000 Wait, I think AJ Dante wants to be unmuted.

04:48:01.000 I think he might have a question.

04:48:05.000 Sorry, I muted him again on the applause. 0.99

04:48:08.000 AJ, why are you gay and Catholic? 0.96

04:48:12.000 Catholic, AJ? 0.97

04:48:13.000 No, no, no, no. 1.00

04:48:15.000 Mormon, you. 1.00

04:48:15.000 I'm going to. 1.00

04:48:16.000 Freemasonry.

04:48:18.000 Nick Fuentes.

04:48:19.000 So, your donations, how much would I have to donate for you to follow my personal?

04:48:24.000 Dude, I don't sell off follows on Twitter.

04:48:27.000 I don't think I am.

04:48:27.000 You think I'm Charlie Kerr?

04:48:29.000 I'll sell mine.

04:48:31.000 I'll sell mine.

04:48:34.000 Hey, he's been waiting.

04:48:36.000 I think he has a question.

04:48:37.000 Wait, who?

04:48:40.000 Luke.

04:48:41.000 Luke, please.

04:48:42.000 AJ, you're based, though.

04:48:43.000 You're based.

04:48:45.000 What?

04:48:45.000 Thank you.

04:48:45.000 Okay, I'll unmute him.

04:48:48.000 What type of Luke?

04:48:50.000 Okay, he's unmuted.

04:48:52.000 I just have a question.

04:48:53.000 I've heard you debate immigration matters.

04:48:55.000 Times and you've never brought up like genetic epidemiology, which in Europe that's such a huge problem.

04:49:03.000 Trillions of dollars on infrastructure in London and Paris regarding sickle cell anemia, which comes from the Middle Eastern and African population.

04:49:16.000 Yeah, but like in America, I mean, epidemiology is not like the top right list. 0.97

04:49:21.000 We've seen it in Detroit, we've seen it with some Indian population. 0.98

04:49:24.000 That's just such a tertiary issue. 0.99

04:49:26.000 I mean, do you think like the The cultural genocide of America is like a bigger deal than healthcare, the healthcare system.

04:49:35.000 No, because people genuinely don't care about the culture.

04:49:38.000 But that's just it.

04:49:39.000 I mean, we need to get people to. 0.97

04:49:40.000 That's just such a silly.

04:49:42.000 I don't know why you would ask me why I wouldn't bring that up. 0.97

04:49:46.000 There's a million things.

04:49:48.000 What?

04:49:48.000 You've been to college.

04:49:50.000 You know these people.

04:49:51.000 I was in college for like three minutes, dude.

04:49:54.000 But like, you know these people.

04:49:56.000 They don't care because they weren't raised.

04:49:58.000 Why don't you let me do the debating, all right?

04:50:02.000 Okay. 1.00

04:50:04.000 Wait, um, this guy, my ass, man. 1.00

04:50:07.000 Yo, this guy argued immigration with a sophisticated discussion. 1.00

04:50:13.000 It's like, no.

04:50:14.000 Have you ever, like, have you ever, like, argued immigration with the leftists and, like, argued economy things?

04:50:20.000 Because, like, like, because, like, uh, like, if you, like, argue, um, immigration with, like, some socialist, right?

04:50:26.000 Like, they hate the rich, right?

04:50:28.000 And, like, the rich are, like, the one prospering from immigration, right?

04:50:33.000 Because, like, it's the GDP going up.

04:50:35.000 It's not the American working class that's, you know, getting benefits from immigrants, right?

04:50:40.000 So it's like, if you're like a left wing economist person, shouldn't you be like anti immigration?

04:50:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

04:50:45.000 And there was a book, there have been a few books that have been written about this in like the 2000s about it's like a liberal perspective.

04:50:52.000 And it's just exactly that.

04:50:54.000 You know, you can't be in favor of like workers and be in favor of like mass immigration.

04:50:59.000 You know, you can't be in favor of like having an endless supply of expendable, cheap labor and also say you support American workers.

04:51:06.000 So leftists used to argue that, like, 15 years ago.

04:51:09.000 But the problem is that now, like, the woke racial aspect of it is basically inseparable from the economic part.

04:51:16.000 So, you know, and we've seen this like a million times.

04:51:19.000 Like, it not only has to be like socialist or whatever, but it also has to be woke.

04:51:25.000 You know, it has to be pro black or pro whatever, you know, anti white, essentially. 0.87

04:51:31.000 So, I mean, yeah, you're totally right. 0.91

04:51:33.000 There's a huge contradiction.

04:51:34.000 I think that's where Trump won over a lot of, you know, people in like Michigan or Pennsylvania, like Obama voters.

04:51:40.000 Because I'm sure they voted for Obama in 08 in Indiana.

04:51:44.000 Obama won Indiana in 08 for reasons like that, economic reasons. 0.96

04:51:47.000 And, you know, they're not turning out for that Black Lives Matter, fundamentally transform America, kneel for the anthem kind of stuff. 1.00

04:51:54.000 So I agree. 1.00

04:51:56.000 Yeah.

04:51:58.000 Is Mick still in here?

04:52:01.000 Is Mick still in here?

04:52:03.000 No, I'm making videos left.

04:52:04.000 Mick, no, not Mick.

04:52:07.000 Didn't you make a TikTok about communists being pro immigration but wanting to?

04:52:11.000 He left.

04:52:11.000 Yeah.

04:52:12.000 He left.

04:52:13.000 We chased him out.

04:52:14.000 Who are you talking to?

04:52:15.000 I'm talking to Mick, not Nick.

04:52:17.000 Mixer, mixer, dude.

04:52:17.000 I don't.

04:52:20.000 There's two next to me here, dude.

04:52:21.000 Oh, he's here.

04:52:22.000 He's here.

04:52:23.000 Sorry, Mikey.

04:52:25.000 Mikey, Mikey, Mikey.

04:52:26.000 About that same thing I just talked about, though, about communists who want capitalism to fail, but claim they're accelerationists.

04:52:36.000 But then you ask them why they're pro immigration.

04:52:38.000 They're like, oh, look, it does wonders for the GDP. 1.00

04:52:41.000 I find that fucking retarded. 1.00

04:52:44.000 It was just saying that. 1.00

04:52:46.000 I think Marx actually was anti immigration.

04:52:48.000 Might be wrong about that.

04:52:52.000 No, because Marx wanted a world revolution, right?

04:52:59.000 Which.

04:53:01.000 No cranes, never.

04:53:05.000 Marx was a cosmopolitan, so he wanted to abolish essentially all borders, right?

04:53:09.000 Actually, there's a thing that Marx was a big accelerationist, so one of the good quotes of his is him talking about over.

04:53:22.000 I'll tell you exactly, but it was about him preferring capitalism because it would get to his needs faster.

04:53:30.000 You know what's a really good quote from Karl Marx, the God of Israel's money?

04:53:35.000 That's a great quote.

04:53:38.000 Didn't Marx write like a whole paper called saying, Oh, yeah, exactly. 1.00

04:53:42.000 Communism, communism, and I mean, communism and Jews are inherently like against each other.

04:53:46.000 Yeah, he was an anti ethnic Jew. 1.00

04:53:48.000 He was anti religiously Jew. 0.98

04:53:50.000 He was still anti Semitic, but specifically towards like, you know, how Jews are full of like greed and stuff. 0.97

04:53:55.000 He hated Christians because they were spiritual Jews, he felt. 0.88

04:54:00.000 Well, that makes us think that he hated his dad because his dad was a rabbi. 0.88

04:54:05.000 Bruh.

04:54:06.000 What?

04:54:08.000 His dad was a rabbi?

04:54:09.000 Yes. 0.74

04:54:10.000 And then he went and infiltrated the Lutheran church.

04:54:12.000 Isn't it funny?

04:54:13.000 Isn't it funny how, like, the most, the quote unquote, most, like, Jewish people, I mean, the most, like, anti Jewish people are Jewish?

04:54:22.000 Yeah. 0.91

04:54:23.000 Isn't it funny how Jews are either, like, extremely communist or extremely capitalist? 1.00

04:54:29.000 Ayo, optics, bro. 1.00

04:54:31.000 I'm sorry.

04:54:32.000 I'm not making any point.

04:54:33.000 I'm just saying it's just.

04:54:34.000 Sorry, sorry, sorry.

04:54:35.000 I'm talking about the punch. 0.98

04:54:37.000 Chosen people, you know that Jews in America are more pro two state solution than Americans in America on average. 0.94

04:54:44.000 Are they? 0.69

04:54:45.000 Yeah, yeah, a lot of them are very like 62% of them, over 60% of them are 80.

04:54:51.000 Oh, 80%?

04:54:51.000 Oh, wow, is Nick Fuentes still here?

04:54:55.000 Yeah, yes, yes.

04:54:58.000 I'm curious, what are your stances on like Miley Annopoulos?

04:55:01.000 Because I know you did an interview with him, it was the funniest thing, but I'm actually kind of curious if you like the guy or not.

04:55:07.000 Well, what do you mean?

04:55:08.000 What do you mean, my opinion on him?

04:55:10.000 I mean, do you like, because you have a lot, because obviously you have a lot of negative things to say about James Allstuff and other people.

04:55:16.000 Like, do you have any, like, are you like, are you like, what are your thoughts on him as an individual, as like his ideas?

04:55:21.000 I don't know.

04:55:22.000 I guess him as a person.

04:55:23.000 I'm just curious.

04:55:25.000 I don't obviously care for his lifestyle, and we have big disagreements on ideology, which we talked about on the show.

04:55:35.000 But, you know, it's always been my belief that we have to have a big tent movement, you know, and I think that.

04:55:41.000 America first is a faction in the movement, but it's always useful to have allies who, you know, arm's length allies, which we even talked about on that show.

04:55:52.000 So that's basically where we are. 0.97

04:55:54.000 But, you know, the reason with James Alsop, me and James Alsop were friends, even though he fucked me over. 0.98

04:55:59.000 I mean, we had a business partnership, and I can't, for legal reasons, get into the details, but, I mean, he fucked me over big time with that. 0.94

04:56:07.000 It ended up not working. 0.91

04:56:09.000 I mean, ended up being no material consequence to me.

04:56:12.000 I've never seen it before.

04:56:14.000 But, okay, thank you.

04:56:15.000 So, I mean, but he really wronged me when it came to our business, and I forgave him.

04:56:20.000 He apologized, and I forgave him, and we put our differences aside and offered to help him.

04:56:25.000 And in spite of that, he then turned around after all that, and he literally admitted to me, Oh, no, the reason that I fucked with you with our business is because I was broke and I feel bad and blah, And by the way, betrayed me with the other business partner, he was a friend of mine from grade school.

04:56:45.000 I'd known this guy since I was six years old. 0.68

04:56:47.000 He's from my hometown.

04:56:48.000 In any case, I forgave him.

04:56:50.000 We became friends.

04:56:51.000 I offered to help him out on several occasions, offered to bring him on my show when his YouTube channel got banned.

04:56:56.000 I did a whole show about it.

04:56:58.000 And then, you know, with no provocation, then he starts making fun of me and attacking me and attacking my friends and, you know, saying that we're like controlled opposition and then just did this big article trying to sabotage me.

04:57:10.000 And it's like, you know, don't attack me.

04:57:13.000 You know, I'm only against people that attack me and people that are like, you know, diametrically opposed to our views. 1.00

04:57:18.000 So I fucking hate that shit. 0.99

04:57:20.000 So, are you also annoyed when people push the whole. 1.00

04:57:23.000 People normally make jokes about the whole cookie baker analogy you make and stuff.

04:57:27.000 Whether or not it was secure or cool, but do you find it annoying when people push that?

04:57:32.000 Which thing?

04:57:33.000 The whole cookie baker thing? 0.72

04:57:35.000 Yeah, yeah, because the cookie thing, if anybody paid attention during the Groyper Wars, it's like the Groyper Wars were going so well and we were humiliating them so much.

04:57:46.000 And then they found that clip from a year ago.

04:57:48.000 And that was the most damning thing that they could find.

04:57:50.000 I've done thousands of hours of content.

04:57:52.000 You know, and they found that clip and they decided that that was going to be their counterattack.

04:57:57.000 Okay, well, there's this very effective conversation about immigration happening.

04:58:02.000 Okay, well, the guy that's talking about it said this joke one year ago.

04:58:06.000 It was from January 2019, and they were talking about it in November 2019.

04:58:11.000 So, you know, it's a joke.

04:58:12.000 It was a passing joke I made on the show.

04:58:14.000 And, you know, I've talked about that subject a million times, but that was a joke based on a super chat.

04:58:21.000 And then they, that was what they were going with.

04:58:23.000 Oh, well, you know, this thing that's going on about immigration where.

04:58:26.000 Like, fake conservatives are getting called out.

04:58:28.000 Oh, well, you know, it turns out this guy made this joke, so it's all invalid.

04:58:32.000 I mean, that was the play, clearly.

04:58:34.000 I have one last question, Fat.

04:58:37.000 It's very controversial, but when you receive communion, do you do it by mouth directly, or do you do it by hand?

04:58:43.000 I do it by hand.

04:58:44.000 That's just my personal preference.

04:58:46.000 I know some Catholics are, like, really hardcore about that, but. 0.96

04:58:49.000 Lots of them are like, I do it by hand, too, but lots of them are very hardcore about mouthing. 1.00

04:58:49.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

04:58:54.000 I just don't like people, you know, feeding you. 1.00

04:58:57.000 I grew up, you know, getting it in the hand and then, like, You know, just it's it seems like cattle, one of those Japanese cows that they overfeed. 1.00

04:59:06.000 Yeah, I mean, it's not you know, no disrespect to people that do that, but just yeah, hey Nick, okay, yeah, for example, you're talking about immigration, and I feel like I'm not a big fan of low skill immigration. 0.99

04:59:20.000 I think I can agree with you there, but one thing that I am kind of confused by a lot of people don't really care about culture, for example, right? 0.90

04:59:29.000 A lot of people don't, and so for example, if Someone were to make the $3 billion is a lot of money when it's going to Israel, that's really stupid, right? 0.77

04:59:39.000 When it's going to anyone, but when $3 billion is wasted after low skill immigrants use our health care services, wouldn't you say this is might be a compelling argument for people more in the center or people who want good health care? 0.81

04:59:54.000 Would you say, like, there's for example, you're talking with like left wing arguments with uh exploitation, that's a good argument to use with the left. 0.99

05:00:03.000 So, don't you think health care costs, for example, and Other things like that could be compelling arguments for people in the center?

05:00:10.000 I think, you know, maybe in light of like coronavirus, but I just think that, you know, when it comes to like what we're trying to do, I'm not looking to just kind of like swindle the American people into like being against immigration.

05:00:26.000 Like, well, it's for healthcare reasons.

05:00:28.000 I mean, in order for us to really like make America great, we have to have like sort of a cultural or an identity renaissance.

05:00:36.000 And I think that, you know, it's not simply a matter of, you know, by hook or by crook shutting down immigration, although I think that'd be worthwhile.

05:00:43.000 I think that what really has to happen is that conservatives have to wake up, and anybody that appreciates America has to wake up and realize it's being transformed.

05:00:51.000 So maybe that's idealistic of me.

05:00:53.000 And I don't disagree that the epidemiology argument might appeal to leftists.

05:00:59.000 But I also think that at this point, it's become much more than that. 0.91

05:01:03.000 Because you could just as easily say that immigration benefits giant corporations and hurts workers, and that's totally true.

05:01:09.000 But leftists are so ideologically committed to diversifying this country, in other words, just transforming the country that.

05:01:17.000 At that point, I think that it's really going to be one side or the other on that.

05:01:22.000 I don't know that you're going to get people that are going to say, well, I'm against immigration for this kind of obscure or maybe less high stakes reason.

05:01:31.000 Do you know what I mean?

05:01:33.000 I feel like we could make just about any pitch to a Bernie voter on immigration, and they wouldn't believe it because they think it's white nationalist or it's racist.

05:01:43.000 Even Bernie was.

05:01:44.000 They've had a lot of people on immigration.

05:01:49.000 For a bit.

05:01:51.000 But yeah, I mean, I understand that.

05:01:53.000 Yeah.

05:01:54.000 What do you think, like, for example, every other country, for example, my country, Korea, Mexico, all these countries tend to preserve the demographics besides like European countries.

05:02:07.000 What do you think makes European countries different?

05:02:10.000 That's a good question. 0.66

05:02:11.000 And I think that there's something to it that, you know, a lot of people talk about this with white people.

05:02:20.000 I think Kevin McDonald wrote a book about this recently. 0.83

05:02:23.000 About how white people don't have as strong of an in group preference as other groups, which I think is basically true. 0.76

05:02:29.000 I think that white people are probably decidedly less chauvinistic and less tribalistic as other groups. 0.92

05:02:38.000 I think that's to their disadvantage. 0.58

05:02:39.000 It could also be something about the stage that we're at economically and in terms of our development, because the truth is that European civilization has had primacy in the world for 500 years.

05:02:53.000 That's not to say that they're the only civilization or the only developed civilization now, but.

05:02:58.000 We're in a unique position where we have just exited or maybe at the apex of half of a millennia of just total hegemony over the planet as a race or as a civilization.

05:03:11.000 And so maybe there's something unique to that in our stage in development that the Koreas and China and Japan don't have because you can see that China is militant and they're aggressive and they're nationalistic.

05:03:24.000 And that's because they've got something to prove.

05:03:27.000 I mean, they have been not colonized, but.

05:03:30.000 In a state of subjugation to some extent by Western powers for a long time.

05:03:34.000 So you could see where they're coming.

05:03:37.000 Civilizationally, they're in a different place than we are.

05:03:39.000 So maybe it's something about that, that we're in the autumn of our civilization.

05:03:45.000 Okay.

05:03:48.000 Let's see if anyone else has questions.

05:03:50.000 I'm going to sleep.

05:03:52.000 I'm going to see y'all later.

05:03:52.000 Hey, MJ.

05:03:53.000 Hey, Nick, I got a question.

05:03:57.000 I got two more questions, and I'm shutting up.

05:04:00.000 I'm going to go to bed after that.

05:04:01.000 But hey, good night to MJ.

05:04:03.000 Okay.

05:04:07.000 So, just this thing.

05:04:09.000 Have you ever been debating about what the founding fathers intended America to be a white nation?

05:04:15.000 And then you always hear about how they only considered Anglo Saxons white.

05:04:19.000 How do you argue that?

05:04:27.000 Is that even true?

05:04:29.000 Well, yeah, I just don't think there's a lot of evidence for that.

05:04:31.000 I mean, you have these arguments that say that, oh, well, Ben Franklin.

05:04:35.000 Said that Germans were swarthy.

05:04:37.000 And if he thought Germans were swarthy and not white, then, you know.

05:04:41.000 And I think it's a stretch to say that that's the case. 0.62

05:04:45.000 And even if it were, it's like, you know, I don't know how that makes an argument in favor of mass immigration from non white countries. 0.59

05:04:55.000 Like if we have deviated from the founders by even letting in other European ethnicities, I don't know how that's an argument that it's like, oh, well, you know, it doesn't matter anything that they said. 0.66

05:05:04.000 None of that matters, I guess.

05:05:06.000 It's sort of like this false syllogism, which Jason Richwine talks about, which is to say that, like, well, if Italians are now white, and if Germans are now white, or Irish are now white, well, then what?

05:05:17.000 Then blacks are white now, and, like, Mexicans are white now?

05:05:21.000 And I think that's just a false syllogism.

05:05:25.000 Well, who, AJ?

05:05:26.000 He's honorary. 0.74

05:05:26.000 AJ's white. 0.74

05:05:29.000 I only have, like, one argument to this, and it's just like, well, the Irish and the Italians are, like, kind of allowed to immigrate here, and then, like, the. 0.95

05:05:38.000 Only white people with like the 1790 Act, like they were allowed. 0.55

05:05:43.000 Like there was also like Irish and, well, never mind, never mind. 0.84

05:05:46.000 But like the Italians and the Irish were allowed to immigrate here. 0.92

05:05:49.000 When like the Chinese tried to come over here, they got BTFO'd with the Chinese Exclusion Act. 0.78

05:05:55.000 So it's like they had to consider these type of people white. 0.75

05:05:59.000 And also, if they hated racial mixing so much, they even hated ethnic mixing.

05:06:04.000 How is that an argument for them only considering, They're only considering Anglo Saxon life.

05:06:12.000 Well, I think the utility of pointing out the founders' views is not to say that we should determine our immigration policy based on what the founders wanted 300 years ago.

05:06:21.000 I think it's more to say that this country isn't what you think it is.

05:06:24.000 Because to me, that's really an effective counter not to say, well, the founders had it this way and now we have to have it this way.

05:06:30.000 It's more to say the mythos of this country is that our country is about Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty.

05:06:36.000 And what makes America great is everyone gets to come here and everyone's going to contribute. 0.71

05:06:40.000 And it's like, People will make that argument based on the Constitution that the founding fathers were all these hardcore liberal progressives, and when they said every man is created equal, that meant that we want to be the boarding house of the world's poor.

05:06:56.000 It's like, no, of course not.

05:06:57.000 I mean, the point is to say if you look at the founders, if they were alive today, you'd call them extreme white nationalists, you would call them extreme white supremacists.

05:07:06.000 And so it's to say that liberals do not own the mythology of this country.

05:07:12.000 It's not factual, it's not historical. 0.90

05:07:14.000 It's not to say that we want to replicate that, but it is to say that this idea that we're anti American because we want less immigration is ridiculous.

05:07:23.000 And I've heard that from Dinesh D'Souza and Dennis Prager.

05:07:26.000 Dennis Prager says that e pluribus unum means out of many races and many nationalities, there's one nation.

05:07:34.000 That's not at all what e pluribus unum meant.

05:07:36.000 It meant out of 13 colonies, out of 13 states, one nation.

05:07:40.000 There's no historical basis that that meant out of many different peoples.

05:07:44.000 And I think that's when that becomes a compelling point. 1.00

05:07:48.000 Destiny tried to make that retarded argument about them only considering Anglo Saxons white when you debated him. 1.00

05:07:54.000 But, yeah, okay. 1.00

05:07:56.000 You should just burn the Constitution to be completely honest with you.

05:08:00.000 Like, no joke, though.

05:08:02.000 Constitute absolute monarchy, burn the prosecution.

05:08:05.000 Nick, Nick, what time is it over there for you?

05:08:07.000 It's 4 40 a.m.

05:08:10.000 Okay, that's crazy.

05:08:11.000 Hey, so far, one out of 10, me?

05:08:17.000 Good, bad?

05:08:18.000 Oh, you're based.

05:08:19.000 You're totally based and not cringe.

05:08:22.000 You are 0% cringe.

05:08:25.000 Nick, where do you stand economically, by the way?

05:08:29.000 I'm kind of confused by that because you seem to be.

05:08:32.000 Are you going to.

05:08:33.000 Kind of one of those universal health care type of people?

05:08:37.000 Because I know socially where you are.

05:08:39.000 Economically, I'm kind of confused on that.

05:08:42.000 I guess relatively, I'm pretty right wing economically in the sense that I believe in private property.

05:08:49.000 I was a libertarian, so I understand economics.

05:08:51.000 I understand about incentives and the price system and things like that.

05:08:57.000 I only digress a little bit from the free market people because I think that it's not immoral for the state to intervene in the economy.

05:09:04.000 It's not immoral for the state to regulate.

05:09:07.000 I also don't think it's.

05:09:08.000 I think that sometimes it can be that there's efficacy that the government intervenes in the economy.

05:09:14.000 Libertarians argue not only is it immoral, but also it never works.

05:09:17.000 And I disagree.

05:09:18.000 I think the state can help the economy and direct it in good ways, guide the economy.

05:09:25.000 Do you agree with the left on any economic policy specifically?

05:09:31.000 Yeah, I mean, I believe in progressive taxation.

05:09:34.000 And I believe that Amazon paid $0 in corporate taxes. 0.88

05:09:41.000 That's ridiculous.

05:09:42.000 I'm not in favor of eating the rich or taking all their money or even raising taxes on them to some exorbitant level. 1.00

05:09:49.000 But the problem is the way we tax money in this country because if you get a W-2, you're just fucked. 0.93

05:09:57.000 If you get your money through a salary or through employment, what are the loopholes? 0.86

05:10:03.000 What are the loopholes that you can exploit to save money?

05:10:06.000 Now, contrast that with if your primary income is through investments or through a business.

05:10:10.000 I mean, rich people can afford all kinds of.

05:10:13.000 Lawyers and lobbyists and accountants, and they know all the tricks.

05:10:17.000 And what ends up happening is that even though rich people pay the vast majority of the tax dollars, it ends up being the middle class that's paying 30%, they're paying 25%.

05:10:28.000 Rich people don't pay 30% of their income.

05:10:31.000 And in terms of marginal utility, your $100 million is worth less to you than somebody's $100,000 or $5,000 or whatever.

05:10:41.000 So to me, it's like I believe in progressive taxation.

05:10:44.000 Not eating the rich, but something that makes sure everyone has skin in the game. 1.00

05:10:48.000 Nick is a Nazbo. 0.99

05:10:49.000 Yeah, you sound like a Marxist to me. 1.00

05:10:52.000 Taxation's theft, man.

05:10:54.000 The government can't steal money from me.

05:10:56.000 They could give it to Israel and stuff, but they can't steal it from me.

05:11:01.000 No, I'm not a Marxist.

05:11:04.000 I'm down with.

05:11:06.000 I like capitalism, but it's not a religion to me.

05:11:10.000 It's not an ideology to me.

05:11:11.000 You don't worship it like a god?

05:11:13.000 Right, yeah.

05:11:14.000 I think it's a tool.

05:11:15.000 That we use for our advancement.

05:11:17.000 But I got to go.

05:11:18.000 I got to go to bed, okay?

05:11:19.000 It's almost five minutes.

05:11:20.000 See you, Nick, bro.

05:11:21.000 Thank you, Nick.

05:11:23.000 Yes, thank you.

05:11:24.000 I disagree with you, by the way, for the record, but you're civil.

05:11:24.000 Good night, bro.

05:11:28.000 Good night.

05:11:29.000 Thanks.

05:11:29.000 Yeah, well, good night, fellas.

05:11:30.000 It was good talking to you guys.

05:11:32.000 I agree with your Catholic views a lot, though, so even if I don't agree with you personally, but it's cool.

05:11:36.000 Thanks for talking to me.

05:11:37.000 Yeah, bro, for sure.

05:11:38.000 Yeah, good night.

05:11:39.000 You're basic.

05:11:40.000 I'm telling everyone I got to talk to you.

05:11:42.000 Do it.

05:11:43.000 Yeah, it's bragging.

05:11:44.000 Everyone I know.

05:11:45.000 Celebrity set.

05:11:46.000 How is it like being a celebrity, Nick?

05:11:48.000 It's not what you think.

05:11:50.000 This has got perks, but it's not what you think.

05:11:52.000 Okay.

05:11:53.000 The library in the wrong place, I guess.

05:11:55.000 Yeah, it's like.

05:11:56.000 The rational wiki article is bad.

05:11:59.000 Yeah, people dox you.

05:12:02.000 People hate you for no reason.

05:12:03.000 But hey, there's perks.

05:12:05.000 Sometimes you get to go on a Zoom call.

05:12:06.000 You're actually a really funny guy.

05:12:06.000 You're a funny guy.

05:12:08.000 You're bass.

05:12:08.000 Thanks, bro.

05:12:11.000 All right.

05:12:11.000 Good night.

05:12:12.000 Good night, Groivers. 1.00

05:12:19.000 Okay.

05:12:20.000 All right.

05:12:22.000 There you go.

05:12:25.000 I'm tired, man.

05:12:27.000 What a marathon.

05:12:28.000 We had that.

05:12:30.000 Show that I do, America First, which was three hours.

05:12:36.000 What was that?

05:12:37.000 It was like maybe two and a half hours tonight.

05:12:41.000 And then now I've been streaming since 11 o'clock.

05:12:44.000 So what the hell? 0.97

05:12:45.000 What the hell? 0.76

05:12:46.000 How long have I been streaming, though, in combination with the show?

05:12:50.000 Okay.

05:12:52.000 Okay.

05:12:52.000 Yes, there's somebody.

05:12:54.000 Yeah, so I've been streaming for what, like eight hours today?

05:12:54.000 Five hours?

05:12:57.000 Seven or eight hours?

05:12:58.000 Bruh.

05:12:59.000 I didn't even get that many super chats.

05:13:01.000 This whole stream, 7K Lemons.

05:13:03.000 Wow, thanks for digging deep.

05:13:05.000 I'm out here on the front lines debating 500 different people.

05:13:09.000 No, I'm just joking.

05:13:10.000 I'll read through some of these.

05:13:13.000 Based Groyper says Agent Cody Banks is free on YouTube.

05:13:16.000 Also, my grandparents got me an auto coin organizer as a kid.

05:13:20.000 That's pretty based.

05:13:23.000 And Cody Banks, I remember that.

05:13:24.000 I used to really relate to Cody Banks.

05:13:26.000 I was like, I am also like a cool genius.

05:13:30.000 I am also like a cool boy genius, like a secret agent.

05:13:34.000 I was very.

05:13:34.000 I was a big fan of the Cody Banks.

05:13:37.000 That kid, Frankie Munez, you know, very relatable.

05:13:41.000 Even like in Malcolm in the Middle, you know, talking about being a young, you know, smart ass, brilliant guy.

05:13:49.000 It's like very, very relatable. 0.62

05:13:52.000 So, I'm probably, that movie sucked, but I'm definitely not going to rewatch it.

05:13:58.000 Let's see, what else?

05:13:59.000 Granite says Nick Holding Back Laughter is the best content.

05:14:02.000 Yeah.

05:14:03.000 T Base says Spurge Energy. 0.76

05:14:05.000 Why is he so bitchy? 0.99

05:14:07.000 I can't relate. 0.54

05:14:08.000 Ultra Snakes, is it just me or is he randomly quoting economics textbooks?

05:14:12.000 I was literally going to say that.

05:14:13.000 That's exactly what it sounded like.

05:14:15.000 It was like, well, you know, deadweight loss and structural unemployment, foreign direct investment.

05:14:20.000 I'm like, what are you saying?

05:14:22.000 I'm trying to tell you that, you know, we're consuming too much and investing too little.

05:14:28.000 And it's like, you're not even engaging, right?

05:14:33.000 I'm going to put on some music so my headset doesn't die because otherwise I will.

05:14:37.000 I'll put on, what's a good song?

05:14:44.000 I will put on.

05:14:48.000 I've been listening to this song lately.

05:14:50.000 This is an okay song.

05:14:53.000 I'll just put that on so my headset doesn't turn off.

05:14:57.000 Okay, what else?

05:14:58.000 What else?

05:14:59.000 Jaden says, let's make fun of Nick Video's hair.

05:15:04.000 I like the new hair.

05:15:05.000 I mean, you know, his old haircut was just bad.

05:15:09.000 So, I mean, I didn't care for the old haircut at all.

05:15:11.000 But the new haircut.

05:15:13.000 I think guys should have short hair, okay?

05:15:15.000 It's just.

05:15:16.000 So I'm not going to call it cringe.

05:15:18.000 I think it's an improvement.

05:15:19.000 Guys should have short hair.

05:15:22.000 Let's see. 0.99

05:15:26.000 Dutch Groypers says, economy sucks. 1.00

05:15:28.000 Talk about the white race. 1.00

05:15:29.000 Yeah, we got there. 1.00

05:15:31.000 Havoc says, thanks for torturing yourself for entertainment.

05:15:33.000 Yeah, your entertainment.

05:15:36.000 Marshall says, America first is inevitable.

05:15:38.000 Yes, it is. 0.99

05:15:41.000 Let's see.

05:15:42.000 Granite says, and that's the bottom line.

05:15:44.000 Here's the deal, Jack.

05:15:44.000 Yeah.

05:15:46.000 Hey, listen, here's the deal, Jack.

05:15:51.000 You know what I really hate?

05:15:52.000 I hate when politicians say, let me be clear.

05:15:57.000 Let me be clear.

05:15:59.000 You know, or they say, I hate that.

05:16:02.000 I hate when people say, let's be clear.

05:16:03.000 Because usually it means you're about to obfuscate.

05:16:05.000 You're about to be the opposite of clear. 1.00

05:16:10.000 Jake Lloyd says, leave writing bitches. 1.00

05:16:14.000 I don't know what that means, but thanks for the diamond. 1.00

05:16:18.000 Do you mean like Arabs?

05:16:20.000 Because of the Arabic numerals? 0.99

05:16:23.000 Chief Trumpster says, great job dealing with TikTok clowns. 0.94

05:16:27.000 Hey, they were nice.

05:16:28.000 You know, we were debating, we disagreed, but they were nice guys.

05:16:31.000 They're young guys.

05:16:32.000 I don't fault them.

05:16:34.000 Those guys are like teenagers.

05:16:35.000 I was a raucous, rambunctious teenager at one point.

05:16:40.000 And, you know, I'm not a baby.

05:16:42.000 If it gets heated or there's banter, oh, you said something that was not nice.

05:16:47.000 I mean, it's fun.

05:16:48.000 That's what makes debate fun.

05:16:50.000 It's fun when it gets heated and you get mad and you start calling each other names.

05:16:54.000 And then you laugh and you say, we're having a good time.

05:16:56.000 You know, we may disagree, but we're both together enjoying ourselves, having a good time.

05:17:01.000 I love it.

05:17:02.000 So, it can be frustrating, but it's a good kind of frustration. 0.98

05:17:08.000 Chief Trumpster says, Ask them how many immigrants they would want per year. 0.99

05:17:11.000 I should have asked that.

05:17:14.000 Ultra Snake says, Carlos Slim became rich by wire transfers to Mexico.

05:17:18.000 Sweden, crime free, to rape capital in a generation.

05:17:21.000 Yeah, good point. 0.95

05:17:23.000 Ethel says, I want to die listening to this.

05:17:26.000 It was good. 0.99

05:17:28.000 Ultra Snake says, Think of 100 million white people in Japan. 0.95

05:17:30.000 Now what? 0.70

05:17:32.000 I'm not sure what you mean.

05:17:34.000 ShiftN says, Yo, y'all still up at 4 a.m.?

05:17:37.000 What's up, guys?

05:17:38.000 What's up?

05:17:39.000 Yeah, late night stream.

05:17:40.000 Nobody ever streams late night.

05:17:43.000 So, I would appreciate if I could watch myself streaming late at night.

05:17:51.000 What am I going to put on next?

05:17:56.000 I'll put on the new Thai Dollar song.

05:18:00.000 UltraSnake says, Alexandria, founded by Alexander the Great, has successfully founded the Museum of Alexandria, aka Royal Library. 0.69

05:18:08.000 I mean, the idea that, like, Egyptians are Arabs. 0.86

05:18:08.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.86

05:18:11.000 I mean, this is just, like, the biggest fallacy.

05:18:15.000 You know, people think that ancient Egypt was, like, Mohammedans.

05:18:19.000 You know, Islam is a 7th century ideology. 0.98

05:18:19.000 What? 0.98

05:18:23.000 Or, I guess, yeah, 7th century religion.

05:18:28.000 It's the idea that, like, 5,000, 6,000 years ago, they were building libraries and pyramids. 0.97

05:18:35.000 Ridiculous.

05:18:36.000 Internet says Newton, Galileo, Leibniz. 0.96

05:18:40.000 Arabic numerals, yeah. 0.92

05:18:41.000 Well, and that's just it. 0.60

05:18:42.000 It's like, oh, so white people didn't invent everything. 0.74

05:18:47.000 Other people invented something. 0.72

05:18:49.000 It's like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah, you're right. 0.72

05:18:53.000 Well, white people didn't invent Arabic numerals, algebra, pi. 0.73

05:18:59.000 Okay, yeah. 0.69

05:18:59.000 They only invented rocket ships, televisions, radios, the semiconductor, the computer, the internet, the gun, railroads, like, okay, right. 0.69

05:19:08.000 Steam power, industrialization, banking, like, yeah, you're right.

05:19:14.000 Bob Sacamano says, Here, you earned it.

05:19:16.000 Hey, thanks for the diamond.

05:19:18.000 Thanks for the big diamond.

05:19:20.000 Senor Allen says, Thanks for the stream.

05:19:22.000 What a flip flop.

05:19:23.000 Nick Videos.

05:19:24.000 Yeah, well, yeah, it's optics, right?

05:19:27.000 Contact says, Running late for work.

05:19:28.000 Wish me luck.

05:19:29.000 Hey, good luck, buddy.

05:19:30.000 Good luck doing your wagey job.

05:19:32.000 Can't relate.

05:19:34.000 Koki says, It was funny how you were just playing Sim in the background.

05:19:38.000 Thanks for the gee-dee-ah.

05:19:39.000 That is funny to me.

05:19:40.000 It's kind of funny that it's just like nonchalant.

05:19:46.000 Especially because in that game, it's like that game is this just goes to show how autistic I am.

05:19:52.000 I should have won that game like months ago, but I like to just autistically complete, you know, defeat every city, defeat every unit.

05:20:02.000 So, you know, in that Civ game, it's like I've already won, but yeah, it's kind of adds an extra comedic element.

05:20:12.000 Epic Rocketman says, This is why we pay you the big lemons.

05:20:15.000 Not a fan of the W. What do you mean, not a fan of the W?

05:20:19.000 What are you talking about?

05:20:21.000 Pony Panda says, I am always amazed at your patience and stamina.

05:20:25.000 I'm.

05:20:26.000 Pretty patient.

05:20:28.000 I'm pretty patient and I persevere.

05:20:32.000 Drewski says, epic as always.

05:20:34.000 Thank you.

05:20:35.000 Ultra Snake says, numerals check.

05:20:38.000 Contact says, I made it.

05:20:39.000 Great stream, man.

05:20:40.000 Thanks.

05:20:41.000 Yeah, but I think that's going to do it for me.

05:20:44.000 Look, I'm tired, man.

05:20:46.000 I got to go to bed. 0.99

05:20:47.000 My sleep schedule's fucked. 0.99

05:20:48.000 I got to wake up early tomorrow so I don't sleep late and then go to bed late. 0.99

05:20:54.000 So I'm in a real pickle here.

05:20:58.000 But.

05:21:01.000 That's going to be it for me.

05:21:03.000 I think I'm done.

05:21:07.000 Unless you got more lemons.

05:21:09.000 Gringo says, Groyper Army growing made all of my friends join base.

05:21:13.000 Yeah, I mean, it was white pilling in the end when they were like, oh, we're all, no, we're all, we like you guys.

05:21:19.000 I think you're funny, you know?

05:21:22.000 Patriot J says, keep fighting the good fight, fun stuff.

05:21:25.000 Yes, thank you.

05:21:27.000 Yeah, it was good.

05:21:28.000 Hey, thanks, thanks to Jaden for hopping on there.

05:21:30.000 Pretty funny. 0.67

05:21:32.000 Pretty funny when Jaden gets in there and mixes it up, old Jenny. 0.52

05:21:37.000 Jaden, he just cracks me up.

05:21:39.000 He gets in there and just brutal against Nick videos.

05:21:44.000 But, yeah, okay.

05:21:46.000 That's going to be it for me.

05:21:48.000 I'm tired.

05:21:49.000 I'm going to bed.

05:21:49.000 It's enough.

05:21:50.000 Six hours, eight hours, it's enough.

05:21:52.000 How about I'm doing none of them?

05:21:54.000 So that's it.

05:21:55.000 Thanks for watching.

05:21:56.000 Hope you enjoyed the debate.

05:21:57.000 I'm going to delete this from my DLive channel and upload it to the website.

05:22:01.000 And if you want to watch it, you've got to subscribe to my website.

05:22:04.000 And that's just the way it is.

05:22:06.000 So, subscribe to the website, nicholasjfuentes.com.

05:22:09.000 Five bucks a month.

05:22:10.000 I'm going to be uploading this and last week's shows and the gaming streams from last week to the website.

05:22:19.000 I'll probably do that tomorrow afternoon.

05:22:21.000 So, be on the lookout for that.

05:22:23.000 But hey, thanks for the lemons.

05:22:24.000 Thanks for watching.

05:22:25.000 Glad you liked it.

05:22:26.000 I'll see you tonight.

05:22:28.000 So, it's morning.

05:22:29.000 So, I'll see you tonight on the show, 7 o'clock as always.

05:22:33.000 So.

05:22:37.000 I will see you soon.

05:22:38.000 Okay?

05:22:39.000 Alright?

05:22:41.000 Good night.

05:22:42.000 Enjoy the rest of your morning or evening.

05:22:48.000 I'm just trying to say life is too short.

05:22:55.000 Though I make mistakes, baby, I'm trying to make it right.

05:23:03.000 All I'm trying to say is life is too short.

05:23:10.000 All we got is love, baby, and the time to make it right.

05:23:17.000 If I'm alive, that is.

05:23:19.000 If I'm alive, that is.

05:23:26.000 Do you think of me at all?

05:23:36.000 Whoa, at all.

05:23:45.000 Would you think of me at all?

05:23:55.000 Add-on!

05:24:08.000 To run to, who would kiss your face when I was dead?

05:24:13.000 Would you cycle through your mind?

05:24:17.000 Think of all the things, the good and bad, seeing these differently.

05:24:31.000 I'm just trying to say Make it right

05:25:01.000 alive, that is.

05:25:08.000 If I'm alive, that is

America First - Nicholas J. Fuentes - July 15, 2020

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