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00:25:15.780If I have to be careful about what I say around somebody or fear, I might trigger them.
00:25:19.780That's probably not like a close dear friend or something like that.
00:25:23.780But, um, if you're going to try to build stuff in the real world, uh, try to build these,
00:25:30.420you know, communal groups, these fraternal groups, you're going to run into people who
00:25:34.240you're going to disagree with and you have to be able to navigate that. And one of the ways that
00:25:41.360you make that easier for yourself to navigate is to not identify yourself with any of these
00:25:47.560buzzwords that they're going to get triggered by. And so I do try to create a lot of new
00:25:54.080terminology that still is understandable to anyone who gets it and, you know, articulates
00:26:00.480these ideas well like we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one obviously you are
00:26:06.860on the edgiest possible podcast has ever existed and uh i i have a deep philosophy of edginess
00:26:15.660itself that is kind of as laid out it i think more so but uh i i would think my my philosophy
00:26:26.480is laid out more so but uh dear listeners ignore everything he has just said about having a
00:26:32.800functional happy life uh edginess is the way you get to like radicalization sorting it edginess is
00:26:40.600the way you find your people who will like like you actually have your back in a fight the last
00:26:45.980thing you want is someone who who uh last thing you want is someone who beside you who hears like
00:26:54.580you say something edgy and all of a sudden we will like let someone else beat you up and say
00:26:59.840say oh well you said that to them like obviously they're going to like beat you up why would it
00:27:06.840get involved on your side like uh yeah yeah i i i'm a big proponent of intense tribalism and
00:27:15.360intense sorting but uh yeah this is kind of the the this is kind of why i want to have you on
00:27:23.560because the way you do this is so different from how I do it and it's like actually very fascinating
00:27:29.380to watch but uh but so you part of the reason that I want to have you on like bring it back
00:27:40.420to the the format I know we could go back and forth about that for like hours on end but part
00:27:45.320of the reason I want to have you on is because really the default way that people are supposed
00:27:51.880to network and supposed to interact with their society right now is 100 broken so and this is
00:28:00.000why i i might put this at the start but uh you listeners at home you need to like really be
00:28:07.000thinking about what what uh meta says and what like how you interact and like build your like
00:28:14.760like chain of people because how you are trained to interact with your society
00:28:22.440is like actively setting you up for failure so if you look at like uh the education system
00:28:29.020how does the education system work you're put in a classroom of like 30 people who are going to be
00:28:33.480locked in that classroom for a year on end so what's the worst thing you could do day one in
00:28:39.840that classroom it's annoy the teacher it's uh it's annoy someone else in the class like the
00:28:46.800worst thing you can do in like uh the modern setting that is supposed to train you for real
00:28:52.080life is like be aggressively outgoing and like try to like make that first interaction like
00:29:02.260produce something of value because what you're going to do there's no reason to do that whatsoever
00:29:07.660in a school classroom because you're locked in there with 30 people for the next year
00:29:11.360year there's no reason whatsoever to like invest in being outgoing or to take risks or to uh
00:29:18.220or to do things that like that might not pay off or that person like might immediately think
00:29:24.100awfully of you you because if you screw it up you know you're going to be paying the price for the
00:29:30.560next year however if you don't reach out to people if they don't learn your name for like
00:29:35.920the first week, it doesn't matter. You're there for a year. You know, they could go like two
00:29:41.820months without realizing you're there in the classroom and like still have that be one of
00:29:46.520the most valuable relationships of your life because you have an entire year. And this is
00:29:50.080every classroom across every school in America that it does not matter for you to be like outgoing
00:29:59.200or like energetic or like trying to make things happen actually actually being outgoing and
00:30:07.100energetic and trying to make things happen is the worst possible thing you can do if you show up day
00:30:11.880one at a classroom and like try to make things happen what's inevitably going to happen is that
00:30:18.480a nothing's going to happen because you're to that classroom you can't leave it like like you can't
00:30:25.080actually build anything in that classroom experience you know last year of high school
00:30:29.340you can't actually build anything within the classroom you have to if you want to build
00:30:33.300something or set yourself up for success you you're inevitably doing it outside the classroom
00:30:37.620the best you can get is just an a a which is now diluted to the point where it doesn't even matter
00:30:43.460matter but you can screw it up or like make an enemy or or wind up like incredibly miserable
00:30:51.400based off of um being obnoxious or like or like uh rubbing people the wrong way which is of course
00:31:00.500like the exact opposite of how you should be relating to life an adult you know if you go
00:31:07.480to a an event or like a gathering or um or a like uh a seminar or whatnot and you annoy 10 people
00:31:19.340in a row you're that annoying guy at the seminar if uh you show up and you talk to like 12 people1.00
00:31:25.540in a row and they all think you're like a jerk ass who doesn't know what he's doing or like a1.00
00:31:31.480retard or like just like a freak and you meet and then the 13th person you meet like thinks you're1.00
00:31:40.100interesting wants to be your friend and uh actually has an overlapping interest and then you0.99
00:31:46.180then you go on to like found a company together or go on to be like a valuable contact in your
00:31:54.160industry. One, that seminar, that's the best possible thing that could happen in that seminar
00:31:58.400because the actual talk that's being given at a seminar is like absolutely worthless. You could
00:32:04.460read the full text of the talk in like, you know, 10 minutes. The other people there, like you wear
00:32:12.240your name to say hi i'm hi i'm i'm luann hi i'm bob you know no one's going to remember your name
00:32:18.820like 10 minutes out after they walk out the door like the value of showing up to these events is
00:32:25.580uh you might meet one person and that one person might want to talk to you afterwards you know it's
00:32:31.660like speed dating who who cares if everyone else at the speed dating event you know thinks you're
00:32:36.960a freaking disgusting and it actually like ruined their day that they had to interact with you0.80
00:32:41.920if you meet one person who wants to message you afterwards that's a win which is of course like0.98
00:32:49.020the exact opposite of what your entire upbringing has has trained you to believe you know your
00:32:54.600entire upbringing in educate education schooling and all that has existed to train you to be
00:33:03.400inoffensive and like to not to not really have a have a voice and to like uh go with the flow
00:33:10.780you know be cool because nothing of value can actually come out of like doing anything
00:33:17.940interesting you know you can't no matter what after grade six comes grade seven you know nothing
00:33:25.240you can do is actually gonna like build something interesting that becomes like a multi-year project
00:33:30.140and like changes the status hierarchy and like makes you someone interesting like like the only
00:33:35.820thing you could possibly do is like join the sports team and get fit and even there the being
00:33:42.640the star sports player on the sports team uh you know pay off when you turn 16 all suddenly like
00:33:50.500like your classmates start looking at your body but like uh but like really even if you're you're
00:33:58.020like winning all the trophies for your school all that's going to get for you is that you're still
00:34:02.700on the soccer team in grade seven after grade six that like you have been trained to be this
00:34:07.960incredibly passive uh uninteresting un like completely unable to interact with like the
00:34:18.940modern world or the modern economy and like you look at stories of like like uh great founders
00:34:26.620none of them behave like how their schools taught them to but if you look at like stories from the
00:34:32.280ancient past that's like none of the heroes at troy are behaving in any way like uh their school
00:34:39.440teachers would have told them to uh you know you know uh committing horrible violence and then
00:34:45.940having like great feuds on on their uh on their school project you know their trojan project uh
00:34:52.960the the centerpiece of the iliad is a uh is achilles a man refusing to work because he thinks
00:35:02.040he getting a raw deal and someone has offended him you know the exact behavior that uh that your
00:35:09.300teacher would punish you for is actually the centerpiece of like what an honorable man does
00:35:16.280in homer homer and and this overlaps with every single field the only
00:35:24.500basically the only time the behavior that's in school into you of how to like interact with
00:35:32.280the world is actually valuable is if you've been conscripted into the russian army in the
00:35:37.940in the 1800s and 1900s that that's it and and this is why like uh i
00:35:47.940this is why i feel the need to emphasize this to you listeners at home because the first instinct0.81
00:35:56.980of everyone when they hear like discussions like this is like oh that's like kind of kind of dumb
00:36:04.000or oh i don't want to do that that's offered oh that seems really unnatural yeah because your
00:36:09.180baseline of what is natural and normal and like how you should interact with the world has been
00:36:14.420set by this like profoundly artificial environment meant to cripple you and turn you into tax cattle
00:36:20.420yeah no i think you're absolutely right like the you know it's it's that kind of uh meme of like
00:36:28.960yeah the school houses were meant to teach people how to be good at uh you know being factory workers
00:36:33.960and you have the the bell and the switching of classes and all that kind of stuff and
00:36:37.580But to kind of go back to the initial point you were making, right, because I think this dovetails well with, like, the general topic is, you know, we have very different views on, like, how to kind of approach things, right?
00:36:55.340You have a much more kind of, like, aggressive, bombastic, like, you know, be, like, inflammatory as a way to filter.
00:37:04.540And it's not that I'm like, oh, all the time we have to use this kind of, you know, watered down, soft, palatable rebrand, you know, vocabulary as a way to be broadly appealing and we got to bring as many people broadly into the movement.
00:37:23.780And it's more of the fact that I think that we need to be able to move between all these different social strata, especially those of us who are kind of the early adopters and building these kinds of things.
00:37:37.520I think that the more that you try to separate yourself from the rest of society or make it hard to have connections with the rest of society, you're just inherently hamstringing yourself.
00:37:49.460And it's not to say that you shouldn't, you know, not waste time with parts of society that aren't going to be beneficial.
00:37:58.620Like I very much, you know, I'm not – I'm advocating for – like you should be able to filter aggressively when you meet people and figure out kind of what level they sit at, how do they see things, right?
00:38:13.560And then be able to incorporate them into your network accordingly.
00:38:17.260but one of my favorite quotes my probably my favorite quote of all time is by raymond shandler
00:38:23.060it's from his work the simple art of murder and it's near the end of the the book and he's talking
00:38:30.380about the qualities that make a good detective um and so he he's talking about how um he can move
00:38:40.300among these different strata i i think like the detective as raymond shandler lays him out is the
00:38:46.060perfect um archetype that all of us should aspire to right he's someone who has his own principles
00:38:55.080his own understanding of what of justice and right and wrong um you know he's he's got like a good
00:39:01.800sense of humor about things he actually cares about doing things that are honorable but he's
00:39:07.380not going to um like you know deprive himself of of a good time or you know let the law get in his
00:39:15.520way and stuff like that so he's just it's it's i'm not gonna like read it i have it in front of
00:39:20.520me but it's i i've done like uh spaces with with other people online where we've like broken it
00:39:26.440down and talked about it and it's just it's fantastic if it's like less than a page go for
00:39:32.600it all right yeah it's it's it's like three paragraphs but i'll get through it quick all
00:39:39.520right so in everything that can be called art there's a quality of redemption it may be pure
00:39:44.820tragedy if it is high tragedy and it may be pity and irony and it may be the roushous laughter of
00:39:50.400strong men down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean who is neither tarnished
00:39:56.760nor afraid the detective in this kind of story must be such a man he is the hero he is everything
00:40:02.780he must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man he must be to use a rather
00:40:10.020weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it and
00:40:15.520certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any
00:40:19.880world. I do not care much about his private life. He is neither a eunuch nor a satyr. I think he
00:40:25.580might seduce a duchess and I am quite sure he would not spoil a virgin. If he is a manner of
00:40:30.100honor in one thing, he is that in all things. He is a relatively poor man or he would not be a
00:40:35.980detective at all he is a common man or he would not go among common people he has a sense of
00:40:41.540character or he would not know his job he will take no man's money dishonestly and no man's
00:40:47.200insolence without a due and dispassionate revenge he is a lonely man and his pride is that you will
00:40:53.100treat him as a proud man or be very sorry you ever saw him he talks as a man of his age talks
00:40:58.820that is with rude wit a lively sense of the grotesque a disgust for sham and a contempt
00:41:04.640for pettiness the story is the man's venture in search of a hidden truth and it would be no
00:41:10.380adventure if it did not happen to a man fit for adventure he has a range of awareness that startles
00:41:15.800you but it belongs to him by right because it belongs to the world he lives in if there were
00:41:20.340enough like him the world would be a very safe place to live in without becoming too dull to
00:41:24.620be worth living in and so that that's the quote but you know beautiful rookie quote like a like
00:41:31.340love all of it's it's so compact and then it kind of hits on all of these things right the ability
00:41:37.820to move between these different strata of like having you know the the kind of duality between
00:41:44.240not seducing a duchess and not spoiling a virgin right that can kind of gives you the right vibe
00:41:49.260of like you know some guy who might like uh you know hook up with the cougar in the bar but you
00:41:54.140know if the the cute young girl walks in and he's just kind of like passing through he's not going
00:41:58.980to like, you know, sleep with her and kind of ruin her or anything like that, right?
00:42:02.840Like, I think that there is, he does a great job of kind of defining this middle ground
00:42:08.100of this person who lives outside of society.
00:42:09.940And one of the things that, as you were talking earlier about kind of like school and kind
00:42:16.140of being molded into this person who's trying to be inoffensive, you know, I was thinking
00:42:21.120about is that I think for the longest time, you know, Europeans and Western men were,
00:42:28.980Like we had leadership who did a good job of taking care of us, or at the very least, they valued the common man because they understood that that was the source of like production.
00:42:41.120It was the military. It was it was the family base. Right. Like they had to protect the people because the people were a resource. Right.
00:42:49.280I think a lot of the propaganda around monarchy and aristocracy is that, oh, they were bumbling, you know, inbred fools that, you know, mismanaged things to death.0.98
00:43:00.200I don't really think that's the case.0.95
00:43:01.960I think that's actually a bit of propaganda to keep us from appreciating what good leadership used to look like.
00:43:09.480And, you know, the role of most men was during that time to just kind of follow, right?
00:43:16.740To do what they were born to do, what their fathers did, and to do it well.
00:43:22.000And, you know, in doing that, they created a high-trust society that was, you know, the greatest society that was ever created, right?
00:43:28.500Like, we did really amazing things with that level of trust and cooperation.
00:43:33.760But now, we live in a world where we do not have good leaders.
00:43:38.280The leadership is not coming from the top.
00:43:40.360You see this all the time online where people are desperate to believe that, you know, Trump is some sort of savior or worse, that like Vance is some sort of savior.
00:43:49.600And they're like, oh, yeah, you know, like they're making all these memes and they're yucking it up and all this kind of stuff.
00:43:55.060And what they're basically doing is they're abdicating personal responsibility for their own well-being by pretending that somebody else is going to swoop in and deus machina and kind of save them.
00:44:04.720Right. My mind is we we need to take the initiative.
00:44:09.780right and there's no one who's going to give us permission right that is the thing is if you're
00:44:15.020sitting around like a commoner waiting for orders from you know the leader you're not going to get
00:44:20.680it there's no one out there this has been my experience unfortunately is that a lot of the
00:44:25.300you know the characters the uh you know the take sellers uh as a good friend of mine likes to say
00:44:32.020on the timeline aren't your friends they're there because they're trying to sell you something
00:44:36.980They're there because they see the energy that's generated in kind of the counterculture movement and they want to harness it for their own ends.
00:44:46.760You think like Barry Weiss is like a perfect example of someone who pretends to be a dissident and is actually just trying to get you to agree with the agenda of, you know, rich people and politicians and, you know, their backers and stuff like that.
00:45:02.340right? Like you need to give yourself permission to do these things. And networking is one of those
00:45:07.420things. It was funny. Um, I made a post about this, uh, like a week ago, just asking people
00:45:13.200like, Hey, if I'm going to do a article on networking a little bit more in depth, what
00:45:18.600do people want to hear about? And one of the first reactions that I got from, you know,
00:45:23.980my Twitter followers was like, well, isn't networking like taking advantage of people
00:45:28.580and isn't that bad and it's like well so i i think this is a thing to address if you're
00:45:34.600um open to it i'll kind of dive in a little bit but suffice it to say that like
00:45:39.540stuff like that i think that there's these cultural impediments these
00:45:45.480sofans um is kind of like a term like my good friend uh tyron's muse likes to use as is kind
00:45:53.640of like things that get in our way of understanding how the world really works like we think of
00:45:58.360money and power is evil or inherently corrupting where well if you do that then all all the good
00:46:05.340people are going to be disincentivized from you know achieving wealth and power and success and
00:46:09.620money and so you're just going to have evil people you know in those positions and i think similarly
00:46:15.180if you have this inherent um kind of like apprehension around networking because you feel
00:46:22.660like it's exploitative well guess what it's only the bad people or the exploitative people who are
00:46:27.320going to be networking right like there has to be a healthy incarnation of leadership of networking
00:46:32.580of power of of all of these things and i think that's the thing that we don't often see or
00:46:37.580appreciate and so like yes you have to be careful but to your point earlier right the reason that i
00:46:44.760have such a large network is because one when i reach out to people and i have those conversations
00:46:51.840i am genuinely curious like i inherently enjoy talking to people and hearing their story and
00:46:58.820kind of figuring out what they want to what they want to do what they want to get involved in
00:47:02.980um as i mentioned before like we're missing this we're missing some sort of network thing i've
00:47:08.680i've talked about the idea of the peter principle as applied to the online sphere and for those who
00:47:14.280aren't familiar with my my corporate technical jargon the peter principle is the idea that
00:47:19.020people get promoted to a level of incompetence, right? You could be a very good salesperson
00:47:24.480and then you get promoted to sales manager, but the skillset to be a sales manager is very
00:47:28.760different than being a salesperson. And especially if you don't get any type of training or you're
00:47:33.680just not inherently good enough to do it, right? You might end up failing in that position and
00:47:37.880then you're never going to get promoted, but you're going to get stuck being a shitty manager0.99
00:47:40.660for a bunch of people. But assume you're a good manager, then you move up to the next thing and0.87
00:47:45.640you have you know a similar problem cycle that you have to go through and i think there's a lot
00:47:49.560of content creators who are in the online counterculture space who rose to positions
00:47:55.860of prominence but and they they're acting as beacons that that word again and i and i use it
00:48:01.760in the networking article uh on on five steps of the journey and it's and it's basically like
00:48:08.140you know this is the thing that resonates with people it's also the filter as you kind of put
00:48:13.380pointed out earlier and so they've acted as these beacons they've brought these people in
00:48:18.760um but then what are they going to do with that energy right and that's where kind of the networking
00:48:25.240side comes in and so there needs to be an evolution of the skill set for a lot of these content
00:48:30.400creators right it's like are they charismatic enough to not only create create content but
00:48:35.700then also lead people and organize things um so i think that that like is really the
00:48:41.320the next thing that needs to be done. But in order to do that, and this is one of the things
00:48:46.760you don't know that you do well, is that in your Discord, what you're really providing
00:48:54.340is not just access to yourself and your content, but also access to the other people who were
00:49:01.740kind of attracted to the content that you're putting out, that beacon that you're putting out.
00:49:06.200And that's really the value is, is when I meet people, one of the first things I try to do is, is connect to them with other people in my network who I think that they would align with. Oh, you're working on this project. Well, here's this guy who's doing this thing. You should talk to him. Let me just immediately go on, you know, whatever, you know, uh, app or whatever that, you know, however anonymous they want to be or whatever, and then make that connection.
00:49:31.040and usually when i meet someone i try to make at least two connections sometimes i've made as many
00:49:36.620as like four or five right and the idea is to say look you're not alone it's not just you and me now
00:49:44.600right it's it's like you're in in this like larger group um and you know like there's there's
00:49:51.240if you can find the person if you can help them sort through that network and not just say here's
00:49:56.620a group chat here's like 200 guys like figure it out that's a lot of work for an individual person
00:50:01.580but if you meet someone you say oh okay like there's here's three guys you should talk to
00:50:05.880and they talk to those people ideally um and then when they're in that group chat they see those
00:50:11.220people they're like oh cool i know that guy i can i can talk you know they they get a little bit more
00:50:15.420bought in um and and that's what you want you want to find ways to add value for the people in your
00:50:22.800network. And that's kind of going back to my point about, you know, networking doesn't have
00:50:27.900to be exploitative. Everyone always thinks, oh yeah, you're trying to like, you know, do this
00:50:32.240to elevate yourself or whatever. It's like, no, I see a need for someone to kind of step in and
00:50:38.400start connecting people and be a little bit of a filter themselves, right? Like I try, I'm not
00:50:43.760trying to just get anyone in here who, you know, thinks that they've got it figured out or
00:50:49.700whatever like you're looking for people who still have value and insights and are doing interesting
00:50:54.900things um and but by connecting them right it's a win-win i think that's the other thing that
00:51:02.300people don't understand about this it's not exploitative it's not um you know it's not
00:51:07.640parasitic or anything like that it's the goal is to say hey we've got a guy who's working on this
00:51:14.220thing he could really use you know someone in on the marketing side of stuff or they they need
00:51:19.400someone who um you know he can uh a buddy of mine's making a book uh a few buddies of mine are
00:51:27.900into the bookmaking stuff you know and i'm like all right let's let's connect to these guys and
00:51:32.900because he's like oh i need an editor and i only expect it'll take a couple hours and i was talking
00:51:37.500to my bookmaking guys and they're like yeah that's a gross underestimate of like how much
00:51:43.600time it takes and you know but they're like that's the value of having a network is you're
00:51:48.280going to have some misunderstanding some misinterpretation you're going to have something
00:51:52.200you need help with and somebody's going to be able to come in and say you know actually uh this is how
00:51:59.040you should think about this this is how you should look at it give them the harsh truth that they need
00:52:02.740to hear right and then help them do it the right way or or tell you know just give them the option
00:52:07.620of kind of doing it the right way right so stuff like that there's there's a lot of value to the
00:52:13.780interconnections in networks and people can help each other out and so i think uh to kind of land
00:52:19.100the plan on this idea um like there's there's an insane amount of value to networks i think it's
00:52:25.800there's a lot of value to kind of like going out there taking the initiative not asking for
00:52:33.460permission um as you're saying earlier like a lot of people are kind of limited and they think that
00:52:39.880they you know it's best to keep kind of keep their head down but there is a smart way that
00:52:43.920you can go about this and so i don't know maybe if you wanted to talk about like strategies and
00:52:50.000all that kind of stuff or i don't know where you wanted to take it from here but that's
00:52:53.880kind of some of the the core ideas there so so this is i i assume the majority of people listening
00:53:02.880to this are going to be like asking, are going to be like in the position or are in the position
00:53:10.920or are going to be in the position of like, well, how do I get a job? Like this is the majority of
00:53:17.120like people's interaction with like the entire topic of networking is the get up university or
00:53:22.820whatnot. It's, well, how do I gain employment? How do I get on the ladder of like my career,
00:53:29.060are my subs of this and this has never been like a more like deadly pressing problem than it is
00:53:37.800right now because of course the university system is no longer a filter for like quality or whatnot
00:53:42.400and what we've seen is the like uh the anti-discrimination regime the 64 civil rights
00:53:51.820act and its bastard children uh have like gotten to the point where there is that article out that
00:53:58.680like 92 percent of all new jobs since like covid has gone to minority applicants you know so what's0.97
00:54:07.540happening to the majority what's happening to like white males who are competent and like actually
00:54:12.560actually running american like keeping things functional and stuff what's happening to like
00:54:18.140the people who like are actually actually competent should be getting hired and are the majority of
00:54:24.000people and cannot get jobs to save their life you know eight percent of jobs are going to white males
00:54:31.380basically and the so the how do you get a job and all this because presumably the economy has to
00:54:41.940work there has to be some way for like uh the fresh university graduate who's had his career
00:54:47.380diluted and uh and is like purposely discriminated against by the entire regime uh to gain employment1.00
00:54:56.380and like of course it it'll just get worse and worse because all the minority groups have like0.83
00:55:03.340their own little back channel networks like like uh like the jews are classified as white0.84
00:55:11.220current currently like allegedly sorta but of course it doesn't matter because they have like0.63
00:55:17.000infinite institutions like uh jewish associations uh uh uh temples etc advocacy groups you know the
00:55:27.840adl the two percent of the population has like 20 of the ngos and and associations and whatnot
00:55:37.320and all these are obsessed with getting them jobs whereas of course like if you're if you're a white
00:55:43.380male christian or like former christian or like uh or like ambiguous uh uh no religious faith or
00:55:50.940whatnot like you can't even go back to your original denomination like if you if you're
00:55:57.100like a young guy just out of school and you go back to like the anglican church or the presbyterians
00:56:04.820or the Lutherans or the Episcopals, like, looking to get a job, no one at your church
00:56:15.880is going to be interested in, like, help you out for your ethnicity and your faith, and
00:56:21.740actually they're going to be kind of scornful of you, and if you ever interact with, like,
00:56:26.520any of these, like, these churches that, like, actively hate their young people and, like,
00:56:32.240present them for existing uh so the question is you know this most like basic networking challenge
00:56:40.260how do you get a job in the modern world and of course there were institutions there's like the
00:56:45.100legacy institution layer of how you get a job how you get employed uh how you make contacts within
00:56:52.480your field that is like entirely broken now uh so like so like the entire system of resumes
00:57:00.540is like an abomination of sham and like uh like i i remember when i was fresh out of school
00:57:07.680like applying for jobs i had to send out like uh i was sending out like a thousand resumes
00:57:14.580a week and like and like uh if you're willing to just like spam them out like it could actually
00:57:22.620work i wound up getting it like a entry-level job at a fortune 500 off that but uh like the
00:57:30.460The amount of like, like work you had to put in and the amount of just like, like actively defecting on the system and like just being as bad faith as possible to get like any to get blood from the stone.
00:57:48.040You know, people would hear that and they think that I was like being profoundly immoral in doing so because, you know, you're making the system like profoundly non-functional in this way.
00:58:01.020You know, I was getting callbacks and I was getting callbacks like after I'd accepted the job just because like I flooded the system so aggressively, like made and like, but of course that's everyone now.
00:58:15.360You know, there are AI bots and stuff that are flooding out resumes and all this stuff into stacks, and enough Indian and third-world migrants have been dumped on every Western country that, you know, I'll hear stories from recruiters and whatnot that they have a stack of, like, 2,000 resumes.0.93
00:58:36.620and like uh basically they just go through and look for uh and depending on if their employer0.53
00:58:46.400wants to hire someone confident to do a job or if they want to hire someone to like be a check
00:58:53.620check box uh they go through and just select by the names like uh 20 to 50 20 or so resumes
00:59:01.200based on, like, name, sex, like, the sex and ethnicity they can tell from the name
00:59:08.180of, like, who they want to interview or not.
00:59:11.580They're, like, this how employment works in the 2020s.
00:59:16.340And, of course, like, because there are thousands, like, you know, you are not,
00:59:23.680like, if you're doing what I did, like, you'd probably have to send tens of thousands of resumes out now
00:59:29.340out now to like get anywhere with that uh uh there's the old like uh walk-in and shake
00:59:37.500and handshake stuff you know the boomer eye contact from handshake which uh in like
00:59:44.200extraordinary role areas actually does work if you aren't looking for for an office job or you
00:59:50.860aren't looking for uh for a work that is like at all corporate or or at all involves a degree so
00:59:58.980like uh if you are a welder or a machinist or like uh you're looking to like get your truck
01:00:07.640driver's license or whatnot but that's been like flooded and destroyed or if you're looking to0.70
01:00:12.500work for like a company of under 50 in a rural area uh you know uh redneck jobs you know there's
01:00:23.100white collar this blue collar there's redneck where like you aren't wearing a jumpsuit you're
01:00:27.880wearing like like country clothes and then you get a tan on your neck neck which um actually there
01:00:33.860is a good career path there you can like make it to millionaire and have a good lifestyle doing0.84
01:00:38.940redneck jobs uh but uh but basically anything outside redneck jobs that's not gonna work like0.78
01:00:46.960you're not even going to meet the manager to give them a handshake and if he does hire you off the0.67
01:00:52.600basis of like your moxie and handshake or whatnot for a corporate job he he's immediately setting
01:00:58.520himself up to get sued or to have hr come down on him that uh he's he's subverting the hiring system
01:01:06.380and like actively discriminating and why do we have a racist in management you know what why is
01:01:13.260his manager hiring a white man and basically the only way to uh subvert that is if like a senior
01:01:20.640manager says yes i want this guy he looks confident we're using like one of our rare
01:01:25.300uh white guy brackets on hiring this like obviously confident person and there's like
01:01:33.280and like this is where basically every legacy networking event every event that's actually
01:01:39.460like put on by a company or actually like put on by a a like functional field field or like
01:01:48.300by a trade association is likewise flooded with, like, Indians and minority applicants and stuff.
01:01:57.920You know, depending on the field, it might just be, like, all, like, pretty, like, 22 to 30-year-old
01:02:05.580female graduates who, you know, are there to get a... What's the term that's fostered on Twitter0.94
01:02:14.380now you know a jew daycare job where they just show up and like sit in meetings all day uh sending1.00
01:02:20.040off email emails uh getting getting paid to uh not to uh waste their fertile years uh not having0.64
01:02:30.120babies and and of course uh and of course uh if you show up to one of these networking events like
01:02:38.820As a competent recent graduate, you know, a high IQ heterosexual male, A, no one's going to express interest in you because all the old managers are like, they're probably getting paid to sit around and like semi-flirt with all these like recent, with all these like attractive girls and like say, oh yes, we're going to really mentor you.
01:03:05.560And by mentor, I mean, like, will really daycare you and, like, lining up which one he thinks he, like, might be able to sleep with.
01:03:16.780And of course, like all the actual mentoring jobs, all the actual, all the actual like career paths that like worked in the 1950s and before were like, were like all these, all these events and stuff existed before the 1950s.0.73
01:03:35.740And it was all like actual confident graduates looking to have a 30-year career interacting with actual responsible managers, employers who are going to stay at their company for 30 years and feel a sense of responsibility and feel a sense of pride in maintaining their company and are actually looking for like virtue and morality and competence and moxie and stuff.
01:04:05.740you know all these all these traditions that you see in sitcoms of like uh the senior manager
01:04:11.760having the new going over to the new employee's house being invited over to the employee's house
01:04:17.880for dinner so that he can see you know the household and the family and see that's not
01:04:23.040decayed and see that this is actually a moral upstanding person and that he can be considered
01:04:27.600for a promotion and that he's invested in the community and that like his kids are functional
01:04:33.160And, you know, this story has been told a million times.
01:04:37.080You've probably seen the Simpsons parody.
01:04:38.580And if you watch any old sitcom, you've seen this story play out a million times.
01:04:43.660And, you know, the dog ruins the dinner.
01:04:46.520And, like, the kids, like, have a dramatic outburst about, like, something about school.
01:04:51.800And, like, something happens with the wife who's, like, very flustered.
01:04:57.140But actually, it all works out because this responsible, like, patriarchal manager who's, like, actually a very good man, despite his, like, stern demeanor that's, like, getting a lot of performance out of his employees, in spite of all these, like, flaws and the dinner itself is ruined, he's seen the family and he's seen the, you know, the young family man employee, like, what he's truly like.
01:05:24.200And he's seen all their virtues shining through beneath the failed dinner that that actually, no, this is a responsible man who has like who very much loves his children and like like is a core part of the community.
01:05:37.540And his daughter who had the was upset because she couldn't go to two events in the community.
01:05:42.740And he can plainly see that, like, this guy isn't going to take his training and run to the next company within six months.
01:05:50.180And so it's implied that the father does get the promotion at the end of it.
01:05:55.160You know, all these like functional high trust society things now don't exist.
01:06:01.560And of course, the manager does not care if like he promotes you or you take all the training and then bounce in the next two years.
01:06:13.380You just want to know that you'll stick around until he's bounced.
01:06:16.360you know because like even the senior manager types they don't stick around their
01:06:22.340companies more than three years and like you know the ceos themselves don't care about shareholder
01:06:29.300value more than five years five years out because they're they're concerned about like sticking
01:06:35.040around long enough for their stocks to vest like uh if the manager is like the bounce in six years
01:06:42.020you know that's just priced price in that all these high trust functional institutions don't
01:06:48.240exist so like all all the networking skills you can have in regards to this is just how to get1.00
01:06:54.980out compete the uh the like third world migrants and stuff who are also trying to muscle in on0.99
01:07:02.000those corporate jobs and and you know how you can game that system you know in the dying days of its0.86
01:07:09.820dysfunction you know how can you show up at a seminar is the only white guy and get a job out
01:07:15.220of it because there's one there's one poor old guy there who's actually looking to hire an employee
01:07:20.640who speaks english you know you know how do you how do you draw value out of that these uh these
01:07:28.020poor legacy boomer companies that are like in the extreme mid-tier that uh that uh actually there is
01:07:36.260a like ceo or a manager there who's trying to hire someone competent to actually do something
01:07:41.160and can't because it's completely broken and that's that's like the the top tier of like
01:07:47.920networking that's like uh you know that's the dark forest that's that's the cyberpunk hellscape
01:07:54.480of the modern job market and and then there's what you're building which is like uh the the
01:08:01.480parallel structured structures of like uh real of like a real high trust networks that that
01:08:12.980actually exist and this is part of the reason i want to have have you on is because like
01:08:19.180as far as i can tell you're one of the only people who's actually actually managed to do it
01:08:25.700like uh like i said there are all these people who like will tour around to events and stuff
01:08:31.240and, like, through Twitter politics or through their, like, little subfield
01:08:37.620or through their hobbies or whatnot are networking with people
01:08:45.540or are interacting with people, like, vaguely in their field.
01:08:50.660And it's just, like, especially if you aren't a programmer
01:08:56.420or, like, you don't have some, like, incredibly niche technical knowledge,
01:09:00.320not that programming is like incredibly niche but like you know being a competent programmer is
01:09:05.740still an extreme rarity rarity there's lots of incompetent programmers but there's very few
01:09:10.800competent programmers but uh like like if you are like 135 iq and up or you aren't like uh
01:09:20.120incredibly technical person the challenge of how you like get community or like or like uh
01:14:36.220Like, you're the only one who actually, like, kind of has this working IRL, like, not going
01:14:44.600through these, like, compromised poison legacy systems that are designed to, like, cripple
01:14:50.820western man and like like steal all his opportunities and all his opportunities and
01:14:57.960money and women from him uh and i described this long set of steps and this long graduation because
01:15:06.760like uh my expectation like having talked to you is that it is an intensive series of steps
01:15:16.120and you're the only person who knows like, like steps six through 12, you know, lots of people
01:15:22.840are up to step six, but you're the only one I know who, who I think actually knows how to
01:15:27.900consistently get to step 12. Yeah. Well, I think I'll quickly address that by just saying it kind
01:15:36.500of goes back to what I was saying earlier about when you meet people, one of the most important
01:15:42.000things you can do is make other connections for those people with other people in your network
01:15:47.660right because that gets them to buy in right it's it's very hard to demonstrate social proof
01:15:53.120in the online world um and so one of the best ways you can do that is just have them talk to
01:15:59.660other people right and you know if you have someone talk to someone that you've known for a while that
01:16:05.640you've um you know then those people will say like yes this is a network worth being a part of
01:16:16.660because yeah meta connected me with this guy and we ended up doing this project together so
01:16:22.400you want to get buy-in right because that's the other thing is you're largely you're competing
01:16:26.520with all of the other points of attention uh for people's time and so you have to show
01:16:33.100that there is value there i think that's another big thing is thinking about signal to noise
01:16:38.940right so i have a few different layers of group chats right i have like the you know the on x
01:16:46.920social group um where we're just kind of shooting the shit and hanging out and and chatting and
01:16:52.020then i have my more kind of exclusive uh you know groups networks and those um are on systems that0.90
01:17:00.840allow me to break topics down into different categories and then that way when people post
01:17:06.480it's not oh did you see this random thing on social media like i got a laugh out of it kind
01:17:12.940of thing it's hey i'm you're traveling here or hey you know i need some help with hiring or i'm
01:17:20.260looking for someone to help me with the website or you know do you know a book read through or
01:17:26.240something like that right um and that way you know people aren't kind of wasting their time right
01:17:31.780they they kind of know how to connect with the network in a way that it's just very high signal
01:17:36.780um so just to kind of throw out a few ideas but to to address your point earlier where you're
01:17:44.760talking about hiring kind of how bad hiring has gotten i think that um illustrates nicely the
01:17:53.680point that i made at the beginning where i was saying that people don't really understand the
01:17:59.160degree to which the degradation of networks and social groups has affected everyday life right
01:18:08.900we think again we think about it as an individual right individual propaganda we think about it as
01:18:14.220like broadly as a culture but we don't think of the social networks and it used to be the case
01:18:18.580where um you know for for the boomers and and for the older generation where it's like if you
01:18:25.100joined a company you were kind of assuming to be there for the rest of your life right you had your
01:18:29.720people who were there until they retired and then they got their pension you know they got their
01:18:33.540watch they had their big retirement party right and there was a loyalty to your point right like
01:18:38.000the the boss would come over he'd meet the employee he'd get to know their family right and
01:18:43.680the whole idea behind that was to say yeah is this person going to stick through that and i think
01:18:49.760those examples illustrate a lot of really key points which is we don't think about
01:18:58.360groups and structures and like our lives on the long timeline you know we we have a very adolescent0.71
01:19:07.140very naive culture where it's all about enjoyment even the boomer generation there you know they're0.75
01:19:14.280doing cruises and and all this kind of stuff and they're even if they do go to old folks homes it's0.95
01:19:19.080like oh yeah but we're like going to the swingers old folks home and you know we're all getting it0.99
01:19:23.280on it's like fuck off like you're 70 80 years old and like you know you're not thinking about0.99
01:19:30.240spending time with family or trying to you know like give the most back to the world or anything1.00
01:19:36.400like that you're like literally just fucking gooning for the uh like i don't even like want0.70
01:19:41.480to put that image in my head but like you know there's no long-term vision right and there's0.95
01:19:48.660there's a lot of reasons for this i mean one of the big ones that i highlight and i've written
01:19:53.040about this before is hyper individualism so it's the idea we we see the world as as uh western
01:19:59.960people through this lens of hyper-individualism where everything is about your career ladder,
01:20:08.240your climb. You even have the idea of you get to choose your career. People in our sphere might
01:20:15.560not even think of that as very nefarious or undermining, but it actually is. Because if
01:20:21.940you think about it, we all know about decision fatigue. If you have to make a bunch of choices,
01:20:27.580right that that's really tough and i see this all the fucking time with people when i i do a lot of0.70
01:20:32.900career advisement and especially for our guys and especially for younger uh our guys and um0.84
01:20:40.980they typically have this this problem of like what do i get into what do i even do because um
01:20:51.080like i i want to have a job you know now and in the future right i don't want to get into something
01:20:56.360it's going to get replaced by ai right and you know it used to be the case you you were just
01:21:02.300what your father was right you were a farmer or whatever and so you didn't have to worry about
01:21:07.840that you could just live your life and focus or you are you know you you you are what your mother
01:21:12.680was right like you just like you know you're gonna grow up and be a mom right and that's the
01:21:18.420whole dating discourse can be really solved from understanding it through the lens of groups and
01:21:22.880community and networks because community used to you know if you think of it small town a tight
01:21:28.680knit community on all the families kind of know each other and you know two of the you know the
01:21:34.360younger uh people in the community start to kind of like get interested in each other or whatever
01:21:39.380they'll probably go home they'll talk to their families and their families be like oh yeah like
01:21:44.280johnny appleseed oh the appleseeds those are good people like we like those people yeah you should
01:21:49.900you should definitely like i know his father and yada yada and he's a good man and you know and
01:21:55.620and so there was a like a structural you know vetting system that came from everyone kind of
01:22:04.020knowing each other and if you know if things happen right if if uh this is another point that
01:22:10.600i wanted to make earlier when you were talking about the different movements that are being done
01:22:15.020so you have like aerobols back to the land thing and i'll you know i've said this many times before
01:22:19.580i like arabal generally as a guy i think he's he's a good person he's a very idealistic and i
01:22:24.820think that that is largely what gets in the way of a lot of these things they're like oh we're
01:22:28.860just gonna buy a bunch of land we're gonna get a bunch of people together and we're gonna create
01:22:32.000like you know the utopia um it's like cool yeah i mean good luck i hope i sincerely hope it works
01:22:39.400out but um you know i i saw a post before we got on earlier where he's like because i i had sent
01:22:45.460him your post about how it's really tough if you do it around race it's much easier if you do it
01:22:53.040around uh religion and he kind of like made a public post he didn't reply to me in the dms
01:22:59.540but he made a public post it was like a lot of people are telling me that i need to make this
01:23:02.920about religion but i think like it should be about like we should be able to do this about race and
01:23:06.920yada yada and it's like okay cool i admire the conviction but i also like i think that you're
01:23:13.740butting your head against a wall and being very impractical despite yourself and that's not very
01:23:19.660intelligent right and and i think like that that is kind of the problem that we have these days is
01:23:26.860in order for us to like have success in building these networks they have to be done practically
01:23:34.240they have to be done intelligently um there's also a matter of like trust and reputation and
01:23:41.520all of these other things too right um like one of the biggest problems that i see with with big
01:23:47.340projects like that is you're bringing together a bunch of people who don't necessarily know each
01:23:52.940other they might seem to think that they have ideology that's aligned um but there's a very
01:24:00.300big difference between a bunch of people who say they all kind of believe in a similar stuff and
01:24:05.340people you actually know right you were talking about earlier how a lot of the close-knit friends
01:24:11.420that a lot of people have are those people they grew up with or who were local in their area
01:24:15.780or if people do have groups most of the time it's because you know they were able to meet
01:24:22.860some people locally right it's very very hard to have relationships that are just
01:24:28.780largely from the digital and maintained like largely digitally because you need to generate
01:24:37.500trust in some way and buy in and a lot of people don't have the same conviction um to do that right
01:24:46.120and so if you get a bunch of people together and then you start to run into problems and
01:24:51.560difficulties and challenges a lot of people nope out a lot of people just get frustrated and they
01:24:56.940throw up their hands and they say like oh well look look it's it's not gonna be very detrimental0.99
01:25:01.620to my reputation because like these are a bunch of random people i met online like if i fuck them0.95
01:25:06.720over completely, it's like that reputation isn't going to spread or whatever, right? Like other0.88
01:25:13.120people aren't going to hear about it. Or even if I just know about, like, and anyone asked me about
01:25:17.060it, I'd just be like, well, you know, I got frustrated because they're a bunch of idiots or1.00
01:25:20.720whatever. Right. And so that's inevitably what happens is there's, there's very little incentive1.00
01:25:25.160for these things to kind of push through and stay together compared to what it used to be like,
01:25:30.960where you had these tight knit communities where they were kind of incentivized by the need to
01:25:37.440work together to be successful. Right. And that's the big thing is, is all of the problems that
01:25:42.600we're addressing right now, where we see like, you know, the Western world falling apart and
01:25:48.460families and birth rates and all of these kinds of things. And we're trying to address them on
01:25:52.320the individual level. It's really like large scale issues, right? It's either looking at it
01:25:58.520at like a broad enough group level or far enough into the future right you're talking about um
01:26:03.720like people having a an appreciation for the long-term value that a company will generate or
01:26:11.180whatever right it's because people don't think about it that way again it's the self-gratification
01:26:15.940adolescent mindset of just you know let me get mine right and i and i think that that is kind of
01:26:23.120it's uh beyond that like in a lot of ways the long term has been criminalized like uh
01:26:29.960like if you don't hire like x number of like crappy uh uh checkbox employees you'll be sued
01:26:38.840and like like uh inevitably fired or if your company doesn't fire you because you're looking
01:26:44.100out for your company's interests uh the company will be sued for not firing you and and you see
01:26:50.220this like decay across all these institutions uh uh like churches were uh heavily targeted as soon
01:26:58.600as they got like any government subsidy they had to you know adopt the woke von meyers and start
01:27:04.660like alienating and attacking the children of their own uh of their own congregation or like
01:27:11.880start destroying their own value add or uh you can see this the same story happens in like local
01:27:19.380schools and whatnot, but also because relationships were, relationships like hiring or building
01:27:31.940careers and stuff based on relationships was effectively criminalized by the 64 Civil Rights
01:27:37.680Act because, of course, that's discriminatory. You're hiring within your own ethnicity, etc.,
01:27:42.440etc. You know, unless you were like a minority ethnicity, in which case it was encouraged,1.00
01:27:48.240You know, no Jew was ever fired for hiring another Jew. But the only way to, like, actually advance your career or build value was to move aggressively, that you had to move away to the best possible university.0.99
01:28:09.020Not the local one that, like, wasn't driving distance from your family and family friends and whatnot, that, like, you might have been able to maintain your old lifestyle ad and your old social bonds ad.
01:28:19.060No, you have to move across the country because, like, the marginal difference in how good a school you go to is so important, is deadly important.
01:28:27.020Whereas, of course, like your actual grades or what you actually learn or like how aggressively you read the textbook, that's unimportant because within the institutions, you know, that that has a ethnic difference of how aggressively people read the books or like how how aggressively, how good they are at studying.0.70
01:28:44.820You know, Greeks versus Duke power. Hiring based on aptitude tests is actually criminalized.
01:28:50.600You know, you know, hiring based judging people by the content of their character and the content of their mind is actually illegal in the Western world.
01:29:00.640So you have the only marker is how good a school you go to.
01:29:04.780So you have to move across the country. You can't go to local school.
01:29:07.840You have to move across the country. And as soon as you're across the country, you have to move again across the country.
01:29:14.820to whichever the best employer will be because uh because getting in a bad employer a they they're
01:29:23.840going to have no loyalty to you being a good employee because what are you saying this other
01:29:30.440ethnic group isn't comprised of good employees these check marks that you hired they aren't
01:29:34.700good employees so you have to aggressively pursue the best possible companies because1.00
01:29:39.880no company can actually show loyalty to its good employees so you have to move across the country
01:29:45.220again and just within you know and then you have to switch careers again because again companies
01:29:52.140can't actually reward quality from their employees they can't actually put you on management track
01:29:57.420for being a good employee they have to uh they have to you know meet the checkbox again so the
01:30:05.060only way you can actually move up the career ladder is like hunting around for companies
01:30:10.180are looking to hire good people and then like betraying your existing company to like job
01:30:16.280search and get sniped by another company so you have to move yet again and you know if
01:30:21.980you follow the optimal career path you know if you do everything right and you know maybe
01:30:27.880do an exact uh three year detour through the army to get on the gi bill bill or something like doing
01:30:36.300something you're relevant or whatnot or uh do like several different things like this basically what
01:30:44.040you've done what you've guaranteed is that within 10 years you've lived in five different places and
01:30:49.020you have no friends left and like any friend that you had like a vague relationship with that like
01:30:54.500would survive that much is now across the country that uh that modern society was set up
01:31:02.500very specifically red existing relationships and uh if you look at other institutions like
01:31:10.300we can speculate about this but it's not coincidental uh uh that like if you look at
01:31:16.980how the military structure the military itself is structured structured in the u.s specifically
01:31:23.380been a lot of countries to just shred personal existing relationships uh this is why like a lot
01:31:29.660of small countries uh uh go along and just pretend not to be as woke as can be because if you're in
01:31:40.720like Denmark or the Netherlands or whatnot uh you have none of these problems you have your entire
01:31:45.400country is three hours across so everyone who speaks your language is like uh uh immediately
01:31:54.620accessible that uh you you're just waiting for the american empire to fall and you can go back
01:32:00.580to having a functional country and like your social capital fundamentally can't be destroyed
01:32:04.860but all these institutions in the u.s are designed i'd argue quite consciously to just prevent
01:32:13.080personal relationships and personal bonds are forming and has been like designed over decades
01:32:17.980to make this happen and to prevent relationships from forming. And a lot of people want to blame
01:32:26.780like World War II or the 64th Civil Rights Act, but this goes back even before that, that World
01:32:31.780War I, Woodrow Wilson was creating all American regiments because he didn't want regional regiments
01:32:39.400and regional bonds and regional cultures and regional loyalties of, like, having a South
01:32:45.440Carolina regiment going over to fight World War I and then coming back and having local
01:32:51.820So they made all American regiments to just scramble Americans together that, like, this
01:32:57.140is why World War II and all subsequent wars, you had guys from, like, Texas serving alongside
01:33:02.320guys from new york serving alongside guys from california because because uh american institutions
01:33:10.100are designed to like scramble regional identity and prevent uh these regional cultures and
01:33:17.460and social ties from forming and all american culture is set up uh if if you actually like
01:33:25.420just follow the career path that is laid out for you at the start of education like if you do
01:33:31.020everything exactly right and become a university professor like you just followed the education
01:33:36.120career path to the top um you go to a good high school which might not be the one that's like
01:33:44.840actually in your area so you like change location once uh a little bit then you go to the best school
01:33:51.280which is almost certainly across the country then you go into the best graduate program which is
01:33:55.120almost certainly across the country then you do the best phd program which is almost certainly
01:33:59.920again across the country then you immediately go to a postdoctoral program which again is across
01:34:07.040the country you might even go international for that and it's systematically designed that uh the
01:34:12.280people who are like slotted in at the very top of american society you know now this career path
01:34:18.600basically doesn't exist unless like you check 10 different diversity boxes or like you do a like
01:34:25.100digression through a think tank where you advocate war on behalf of Israel. But if you manage to do
01:34:32.060all of this exactly right and become a professor in your field, a tenure track professor, you have
01:34:38.240no ties to anywhere at all. The only place you have any loyalty to is academia, which of course
01:34:43.980is what academia likes. And that's why, you know, none of these people will buck any trend because
01:34:49.020that's the only place they have any social capital is within like, uh, this narrow system
01:34:54.460and all American institutions are designed like this now to, to destroy regional culture
01:35:01.280and regional identity and regional social balance and like, uh, bonds of ethnicity
01:35:06.660and biology, bonds of family, uh, that, that, uh, everyone, like the reason it's hard is
01:35:16.880because you're fighting against a multi-trillion dollar system with 11 nuclear aircraft carriers
01:35:22.660and and 5 000 nukes and a military budget of like one trillion dollar a year that's all set up
01:35:30.800to stop you from having friends and family and like community like uh and and the attempt to
01:35:42.740recreate it which like is something that should not have to be recreated is profoundly unnatural
01:35:48.080and brawling weird because it's profoundly unnatural and wrong weird that you'd even have
01:35:54.040to recreate it but you should be able to just have your community but of course this every
01:35:59.780institution is designed to shred the ways that you build that community so like uh this is part
01:36:07.760of the reason that i i'm i'm very aggressive on like uh having ideological people go out and like
01:36:16.560train or like uh or like go on like week-long camping trips or uh or do stuff like physically
01:36:26.180in the real where like uh you know you have to do like a hard challenge and be roommates
01:36:33.480and cook for each other and deal with each other's like smells and like the awful vagaries of just0.99
01:36:41.760interacting with another fucking body like immediately around you people are disgusting0.99
01:36:46.380gross gross uh like uh like you actually have to like basically go through like create your own1.00
01:36:56.280boot camp with uh with a circle of friends or what and whatnot because if you don't do that
01:37:04.160uh because a that's the only way that people have ever like managed to forge like coherent
01:37:10.620group identities out of like people who are like drawn from a scramble uh and even then like if
01:37:18.640you're to do this successfully you basically have to pick entirely people from your own ethnicity
01:37:23.100like uh and by your own ethnicity i'm not even saying like your own race i mean like
01:37:27.580like uh you will have more success if everyone is like like you know a a protestant from saxony
01:37:37.220and you don't have like a catholic from barbaria like that intensely and like
01:37:43.140Like, if you read the accounts of, like, which European infantry forces performed best, it was almost always the ones that were, like, very narrowly organized on, like, not, like, wide ethnicity, like, not German, but, like, down to nation.
01:38:08.660And, like, the best units were, like, you know, the Sef Bavarians or, like, the West Freelanders or something.
01:38:17.340They're, like, this incredibly narrow, like, everyone has the same accent type of stuff.
01:38:22.280Like, you don't stop getting benefits from, like, more narrowly, like, focusing in on people who, like, share an identity with you and whatnot.
01:38:30.640which of course like that's what you should have naturally from having like all your family and kin
01:38:35.760and like uh you know your ethnicity that all sort of one area together but uh0.88
01:38:42.080fundamentally you can't do do that now you because you're you're drawing like all your
01:38:49.280connections and friends from like this scramble scramble that's been aggressively purposely done
01:38:55.420And like the blades of the, the blades of the blender are spinning faster and faster, trying to, trying to, you know, make everyone grind together and breed together into like this slop defaults person that's like 92 IQ, that's like exactly 90 IQ, exactly this tan and like doesn't even have like a true.
01:39:25.420And their gender and identity itself is androgynous and ambiguous.0.89
01:39:31.340They want, like, all these distinctions, all these forms of organization, and has no friends and also isn't in a relationship.
01:39:38.440Like, that's what the system wants to produce.
01:39:40.860And the way you, like, forge bonds in spite of that is you actually have to do, like, really hard stuff together.
01:39:48.520like uh the only way you can like forge that back together is you actually have to
01:39:53.240go out and like do a really intensive challenge challenge and like you know even
01:40:01.400even then it doesn't always translate into uh
01:40:07.400into like meaningful community and coordination or does and then like and then like you realize
01:40:16.860Is that the people you start out with, like, doing all this hard stuff, you know, you forge this or that.
01:40:23.260But actually, this thing that's, like, core to, like, community and, like, functionality is, like, still missing because of X or Y reason.
01:40:35.300Or you have all this that you've gone of and actually create a lot of value, but you're still shockingly missing, like, X, Y, or Z.
01:40:43.440like oh you did this with like a bunch of people and you're working in your career and whatnot and
01:40:48.940you have like this incredibly great uh network for advancing uh for advancing yourself within like
01:40:57.540uh this space of like craftsmen small business people and it's like you actually doubled your
01:41:03.980income but like you actually haven't met a single member of the opposite sex through doing this or
01:41:10.440that like uh or that uh you know you you're now the best uh you know whatever team in the world
01:41:20.440you know pick your sport but actually none of these people have ever been over to your house
01:41:24.820for a dinner party and this is like one of those one of those things where we're like what we have
01:41:35.000lost is like is so vastly profound that even even like some of the most extraordinary stuff
01:41:42.820you can do to like try and recreate it is like still going to be profoundly less than what you
01:41:47.940should have just been able to start with which uh it is very dark but i i want to leave with that
01:41:55.540because i'm because everyone listening to this is going to think well that sounds awkward that
01:42:00.460sounds weird i'm not i'm not sure if i'd want to want to do that or whatnot i'm like yeah yeah it's
01:42:07.620really awkward and weird to try and rebuild you know a breathing apparatus from underwater in a
01:42:15.120submarine that's doesn't know which way is up or down like it's it's very weird to have to rebuild
01:42:21.260something that should be the default and has been like systematically stripped stripped from you
01:42:26.060by a bound amounts of violence yeah and you know i think i was um kind of driving to this point
01:42:36.600uh in in kind of the my my last bit where we're stuck with this very interesting problem of well
01:42:47.100western world is falling apart like that's undeniable um boomer generation had it really
01:42:54.880good they didn't realize how necessary important it was to maintain these social uh these social
01:43:02.240systems uh these social structures they've largely abdicated responsibility for making sure the next
01:43:11.380generation does well part of it's that they don't really understand the problems it's you know but
01:43:18.120also part of it is just they're like i don't know at a certain point you have to like they are
01:43:23.900responsible right someone has to be and the question becomes okay well you know do you take
01:43:31.620that road of loot the broken system as it's falling apart and get yours and or do you try to
01:43:39.680build something despite that right and that's kind of what i've always been advocating for is is like
01:43:44.760there is a the higher path right a harder path the path that's going to be much more suffering
01:43:50.980It's taking on responsibility. It's kind of like Peterson-esque in that way. I think that the thing that Peterson really gets wrong is he thinks all of this is done on the individual level, right? Weird that group level and those things aren't ever a concern of his or a lot of other people in the sphere.
01:44:09.420I think, to me, I think that is one of the biggest litmus tests of whether people are on the right wavelength or not, is are they advocating for people to rebuild social structures at the local level?
01:44:21.180Because if they aren't, right, this is why I hate Yarvin, and I've had people be like, oh, you just don't understand his work, it's so great, he's done so much for elite power theory, yada yada.
01:44:32.720It's just like, yeah, well, you know, the best way to subvert people is to give them truth in a domain that's irrelevant or doesn't matter and get them focused on the right on the wrong thing.
01:44:43.260Right. It's like, you know, and to me, again, expecting some elite group is just going to swoop in that you voted for.
01:44:50.700And then for, for some reason, like deus machina, you know, save people and, you know, vote against, uh, all of the other interests the elites have is, is just absolutely mindlingly, uh, naive, but so, so it has to be done at the local level.
01:45:06.500right and it's very hard to convince people to say hey like yeah you could just you know like
01:45:15.360just loot society get like the you know the email job and like try to extract as much money from
01:45:23.680like dumb vcs who will give you know any company with ai on their you know pitch deck some money0.96
01:45:29.900or you know whatever it is or you know the boomers like selling out their businesses or0.99
01:45:34.300their homes or whatever it is to um you know black rock and and all all this kind of nonsensical0.74
01:45:40.780stuff like you have to suffer not getting as much as you could in order for you to build something
01:45:46.480but i think that that's the thing is it's that that works i i i i disagree profoundly that like
01:45:54.420i i don't are you the only way you're i don't think you're going to be able to build anything
01:45:59.040without like looting the wrong carcass of what's around us that like uh and actually that if you
01:46:04.880don't loot it uh uh and kind of establish like some some like source of like looter cred and
01:46:16.440walton stuff what you're inevitably going to get is out competed by people who do so like uh you
01:46:23.680No, the people who build a, like, new functional, like, new functional tribe in, like, the aftermath of, like, post-apocalyptic nuked-out New York, like, they're looting everything they can out of post-apocalyptic nuked-out New York.
01:46:43.680that, like, fundamentally, in order for, like, your society that you're building to, like, thrive
01:46:54.240and, like, become functional in the carcass of, like, this dying civilization.
01:47:02.520Ultimately, you have to kill it off because, like, if it becomes healthy again,0.78
01:47:07.080it will kill off the thing that you build as a threat to it.
01:47:10.080like uh like if you build a like functional mannerbund you know there's a this group of guy
01:47:20.340of like like if you're a little paintball who managed manages to grow to the hundreds of like
01:47:25.920world guys who like all have matching tattoos and like uh actually heavily a functional community
01:47:32.040of like of like attractive women and you're like all actually of the same ethnicity just
01:47:37.720coincidentally and play you know oh it just happened that we all like everyone who like
01:47:44.580really got along with us was was like white in this very specific way or whatnot now we all have
01:47:51.500kids and whatnot like if you manage to get that functioning and like you don't loot and kill off0.59
01:47:56.540this the like carcass of like this twisted evil society that we have around us like if you it says
01:48:05.980you get like so healthy and functional and like have so much going they're going to turn on you
01:48:10.780and try to kill you off like uh we've we've seen this dozens of times that like once a subculture
01:48:16.840group gets like so functional or like builds so much encounter to like mainstream culture0.73
01:48:24.100all suddenly infinite resources are exerted to try and kill them off you know this is what
01:48:29.440happened to gamers in like the 2010s you know you know gamer counterculture actually became
01:48:35.460like a very effective way to like get jobs and like build friendships and like network and and
01:48:43.860build a like coherent other culture and gaming in like 2008 2009 was like actually like drawing a
01:48:53.360lot of people together and actually like creating like like very beautiful arts you know the the
01:49:00.960gamers of like the the 2000s were producing like some of the best art that western civilization
01:49:07.420has produced in the past like 50 years are like of these games that were made in the early 2000s
01:49:14.380you know you know is gaming art uh gaming was the only art when that was a debate you know you know
01:49:21.660you know the the middle year salt and like the shadow of the colossuses you know are like more
01:49:28.380profound art than anything like hollywood has put out in the past 20 years or anything that
01:49:32.640was in a museum and like existed to demoralize and destroy your society you know you know the
01:49:39.200stuff they're making in these games was like more profound and beautiful than like anything you'd see
01:49:44.160in architecture which was of course designed to destroy and demoralize western man and of course
01:49:50.220as soon as they like their culture got so coherent and like started working working like really well
01:49:55.740and started functioning very well uh infinite resources works are done on behalf of the media
01:50:01.600and everywhere else to destroy them that uh if you are looting and like uh and like cannibalizing
01:50:09.940and ripping apart the uh the the poisoned poisoned institutions and societies that are like trying0.92
01:50:18.800to kill you like uh like uh and you just build something honestly like they will kill you like
01:50:27.280there's a reason that like the most effective functional subcultures for producing um0.93
01:50:34.720for producing communities of people that know each other and like wind up having kids
01:50:40.180and like wind up having like strong economic relationships that uh that see them through
01:50:46.840times almost all of those are criminal organizations like uh like the most of
01:50:54.400criminal organizations are like one step away from a foreign from a foreign intelligence agency
01:51:01.000they're like uh like the reason our civilization is collapsing is because it will systematically
01:51:10.220kill off anything healthy and the only way you can build anything healthy is to parasitize it
01:51:16.340as it which is like like dark but i can guarantee you if you if you like manage to like do the free
01:51:25.780state project for real and actually move to a state and actually make a coherent society built
01:51:30.540on the high trust and civilization uh and like you know you know do what the libertarians did
01:51:36.800to new hampshire but do it for like base people in like north dakota or wherever uh
01:51:44.120you know this is what the south was this is what the south was when they declared
01:51:50.800when they declared war on it invaded it that uh that the u.s the u.s civilization exists to
01:52:00.420destroy functional high-trust cultures and stop them because they could out-compete it
01:52:07.700yeah and uh this is where like i i don't advise anyone to feel like any moral compunction
01:52:16.820about like taking whatever they can from uh from like the poison society around us as long as they're
01:52:26.700like making something functional as well yeah i mean all right so to to clarify my point right
01:52:34.840I'm not saying that, like, you shouldn't take advantage of broken systems, right?
01:52:41.440But I think that you have to be discriminatory about which systems are, like, the ones that you're looting and breaking down and which are the ones that you're building up.
01:52:54.480And you have to be putting energy into building good systems, right?
01:52:58.320So you shouldn't be like, ideally you want to be somewhere where you feel like you can
01:53:04.240invest in your local community, right?
01:53:06.080You shouldn't feel like you're trying to, uh, take your local community for a ride.
01:53:11.380Definitely on the national level, right?
01:53:13.240Like when you think about like national level, like politics and stuff like that, that's,
01:53:24.900So, you know, if you NGOs, you know, if you like colleges, like there's just so many things where it's just like, yeah, sure, absolutely.
01:53:34.180Like I want to see those things like ripped apart.
01:53:38.040But at the same time, the question is, right, well, what do you build up?
01:53:41.040Right. Because, again, I think I mentioned this at the beginning when we started talking is like even if you are successful in destroying all these things, like what's going to come after?
01:53:51.220what comes next and so i think that that needs to be a big focus for people is is what do you
01:53:57.220actually want to see and and i think you've you've touched on a lot of really good points around
01:54:01.740the importance of trust right um people need to learn how to trust to trust each other and
01:54:09.440one of the kind of like to to add to the point i was making earlier where you you try to start
01:54:17.220these large projects and people will inevitably get into disagreements um one of the other
01:54:24.660problems is that people might have a lot of stated enthusiasm and dedication but they might not
01:54:31.820actually follow through and spend the time and so the best thing you can do is do littler projects
01:54:37.180smaller projects right like people there's there was a point where i was getting into arguments
01:54:41.600with uh people on the timeline about this and but i was like yeah you should just make chicken
01:54:46.280coops for your neighbors right and they're like oh that's so lame like you're just making chicken
01:54:50.780coops like that's so you know like you're thinking small like you know like get offline like go make
01:54:57.180your chicken coops or whatever right and it's just like now that that has value right because if
01:55:01.540you're helping your neighbors so that they're in a uh like they they can make money they can eat
01:55:07.940good food right um you know you're helping them so they can help you in the future right that is
01:55:14.520really what networking should be about i mentioned earlier how important it is to to see it as a win
01:55:20.140win right to bringing a bunch of people together and you're not extracting value from these people
01:55:25.560but they're all helping each other and you're you know it's a sum is greater than you know the parts
01:55:31.580kind of thing um but these smaller projects is what builds trust right like you get to know people
01:55:39.520you realize like is this person a spurg um are they going to be able to you know go out in public
01:55:45.740and not uh you know throw up roman salutes or like you know get into spicy conversations or0.82
01:55:51.700argue with like the bartender or something like that right like are you going to be able to have
01:55:56.300like good interactions positive interactions um and then you know slowly you can work that up
01:56:03.680Cause you, you weed away, you know, the, the, you know, the, the seed from the chaff, right?
01:56:09.720Like you find the people who are worth spending time with.1.00
01:56:12.180And that was another point that I wanted to make is a lot of my focus on networking has
01:56:19.620been trying to find people who are already taking the initiative in their own lives to
01:56:24.540do things, because it is very hard to convince people who aren't really on board to spend
01:56:31.560all this time you know building community up like you know reinvesting in family like building these
01:56:38.180fraternal networks you have to find people who are already motivated to do this and the best
01:56:42.820indication of that is not just what people say online but what people are actually doing right
01:56:49.160there's a lot of groups who are actually doing stuff and that's a great place to start and
01:56:55.860And again, to my point about why do I speak in a way that isn't polarizing and aesthetically edgy, it's because there's two kind of groups of people who are on the right wavelength.
01:57:11.780You have guys and gals like us who kind of like get it and they're trying to find other people online and build these networks and do all this kind of stuff.
01:57:23.260But then you also have just normal people in everyday life who, for whatever reason, were kind of the lucky few whose parents really cared about community.
01:57:35.600They got to know the people in their area better and better over time.
01:57:38.920They got more involved in their community stuff.
01:57:41.040They don't need to know all of the things or buy into the edgy aesthetic or whatever it is if they care about their community, if they are having families.
01:57:50.740and they're trying to like a lot of people, you know, that they just haven't been bodied by
01:57:56.400reality. Um, you know, for whatever reason, they've been isolated that, you know, things have
01:58:01.820largely gone their way. Right. And, you know, it's much easier to, to convince people of the
01:58:08.600things that they need to understand as they kind of, you know, move forward in their life.
01:58:13.340If they see you as a friend, as if they see you as someone who is admirable, who's living a good
01:58:20.420life right you the best way to convince anyone of anything is to become the best version of what
01:58:26.180your ideology can produce right lead by example that's a big mistake that's made in the sphere
01:58:32.360all the time is people feel like oh it's facts and logic or you know even if it's not like facts
01:58:38.260and logic it's like you know appeal to emotion or something like that it's like no no like lead
01:58:43.440um you know and that's the other thing be selective about the people you let into your
01:58:49.220group and don't like have a high bar, right? Like you don't have to chase people down. That's
01:58:55.820always kind of been my philosophy with my content is I put out very specific type of content that
01:59:03.260focuses very much on what I want, what I care about, what I think is important. And I don't
01:59:08.200really worry too much about, like I try to use language that's not going to, you know, has the
01:59:15.180edgy aesthetics and stuff like that but i i still don't pull my punches when i talk about things that
01:59:19.860i care about where i call people out in the timeline for saying shit that i think is not0.55
01:59:25.080only you know usually it's not just i disagree with this but i i think this is extremely0.56
01:59:29.920counterproductive right to what we're trying to do and value of that is i set out a very specific
01:59:37.000you know beacon again uh that kind of like wavelength or message and the people who
01:59:42.680resonate with that are very uniquely um you know suited to be in the network that i'm building
01:59:49.040right and so i think that you know if we want to kind of um bring the conversation around to how i
01:59:55.480suggest people who are listening to this uh find and build their own networks like the first thing
02:00:01.720to to recognize is there's two types of networks that you're going to be building um one is like
02:00:09.020these bigger groups that you know are brought around these different beacons of these ideas
02:00:14.380right so if people in your discord um you know maybe are are uh you know kind of there because
02:00:22.480they like your content um but you also have your own personal network you're always connecting with
02:00:28.880individuals and like they're connecting to you through you right and so you shouldn't just see
02:00:34.920as like I'm part of this group or that group or whatever but also like here's the group that is
02:00:40.580my own kind of nexus of people and know that one of the things that inevitably happens is you'll
02:00:46.760find an interesting group or you know content creator or whatever you'll join their group chat
02:00:51.780you'll start talking to people you go to some event and you might not fully resonate with that
02:00:57.700group and that mission and what they're trying to do but you might find people who you really
02:01:02.700connect with who are doing interesting stuff that you are interested in, right? And you should bring
02:01:06.960them into your personal network and you should stay connected with them. And, you know, they'll
02:01:11.180probably introduce you to other people. You know, if we're talking a little bit about job search,
02:01:16.480one of the biggest things that I think when it comes to younger people today, getting jobs is
02:01:21.940they need to do it through a network. They need to go out there relentlessly, talk to people.
02:01:27.820and then the best thing you can do when you talk to someone is um get that person to introduce you
02:01:33.520to at least one other person i try to chain together connections and make some effort to
02:01:41.080maintain those connections like one of the biggest frustrations that i have is that um
02:01:48.140i will people will reach out to me and this is mostly kind of in the recruiting side of things
02:01:55.680and they'll say, oh, I need help with my resume or, you know, networking or finding a job or
02:02:01.480whatever it is. And I'm like, cool. I've written all this stuff on my professional website,
02:02:05.240um, different from the meta content. And I'll say, you know, go read this and, you know,
02:02:12.120come back to me. And if you're still have any questions or you want to kind of go further from
02:02:15.940there, I'm happy to jump on a call. Right. Nine times out of 10, I never hear back from that
02:02:20.560person right and the reason is because they want to feel like they're doing stuff they don't
02:02:26.760actually want to do anything and so having those kinds of filters is really important but like
02:02:33.020and then kind of the next level of filter is the people who i talk to and i always make a point at
02:02:39.360the end of the conversation like all right here's all the things we talked about this is what i'm
02:02:42.800suggesting here's how i'm gonna like help you out connect you with this guy i'll do this i'll do
02:02:46.540that, um, feel free to reach out again, you know, in like a month or something like that. Um, kind
02:02:54.500of touch base on how you're doing, what went well, what hasn't worked for you, you know, are you
02:02:58.840staying consistent, that kind of stuff. And nine times out of 10, again, I never hear back from
02:03:03.760that person. So like the amount of people who actually take advantage of resources around them
02:03:11.000or follow up or do those things. It's so rare, right? That people are kind of surprised. And so
02:03:18.340again, it's one of those things where if you just take the initiative, if you go out, you connect
02:03:24.060with people, you follow up, you, um, find like express clear interest in their work and what
02:03:31.900they're doing. That's the other thing is, um, like a lot of times when I'll reach out to,
02:03:37.160you know like content creators in the space it's because i've taken the time to read their content
02:03:45.400or listen to their podcast or you know read a bunch of their tweets and i have something to say
02:03:50.900about it right and um you know i think that level of like oh i appreciate your work here's my
02:03:58.360thoughts on this thing like people would spend all the time writing or creating content around
02:04:03.920a certain idea unless they were passionate about it, unless they wanted to talk about it,
02:04:08.180especially in our sphere, right? And so like showing a genuine interest and engagements and
02:04:15.360being consistent, like it's, you know, it's crazy that this is like the baseline that I'm talking
02:04:21.000about here, right? Because you would think that this is something that's pretty easy to achieve,
02:04:24.600but the vast majority of people do not reach out. They don't take the initiative. They don't follow
02:04:29.080up maybe it's because they're worried of taking over people's time too much but um i i think
02:04:36.300honestly it's because you know as much as the the online right kind of makes fun of the left for
02:04:43.720their victim mentality i i think that the the online right also has a victim mentality they
02:04:48.940also have this idea of like oh woe is me you know life is so hard you know all these people are0.98
02:04:55.940keeping me down um and i can't achieve anything with my life and it's just like like fucking try0.98
02:05:02.240anyway like stop being a little bitch stop like complaining about it um go out and try to do0.98
02:05:08.440something with it because a lot of times these things aren't something where you could just fix1.00
02:05:14.160immediately or generate immediate results right aiding is something that takes time network
02:05:19.820building is something that takes time career building is something that takes time um and so
02:05:24.320you have to work at it. You have to be consistent and you have to be okay with the fact that it's
02:05:27.920not going to be immediately gratifying or generate immediate results, um, that it is going to take
02:05:33.780time and you know, you got to be willing to put that time in. Um, so I don't know. I think like
02:05:41.720if there's a secret to networking, I think it's having faith that there are people worth connecting
02:05:53.000with and spending the time to get to know. It's willing to be discerning and not waste time on
02:06:00.620people who aren't reciprocal or, you know, not engaged or trying to find the people who are
02:06:07.460motivated. And then like anything else, it's you also have to have something else, something going
02:06:13.160for you, right? You can't just be some guy who's like interested in their stuff. Like it's, you
02:06:18.880Part of the reason I think that I have the network I do is because it's not just I'm bringing people into a network to get stuff from them.
02:06:26.860It's I'm bringing people into a network so that we can all work and collaborate and do stuff together.
02:06:32.800And so there's plenty of projects that are going on.
02:06:36.120There's things that I can provide as someone who does networking and talks about ideas and works on writing and all of these kind of other elements.
02:06:45.240And so, you know, that's another thing, too, is, like, know what your valuable, you know, what your value is to the network and see if you can provide it.
02:06:55.000Because there is one of the big problems, and I think this is another important kind of, like, observation to illustrate, is that when you have networks, you have kind of two groups.
02:07:06.660You have your up-and-coming guys, who are most of the guys, and then you have your established guys.
02:07:11.780You have your guys who have networks, resources, success.
02:07:15.260Maybe they have, like, money, right, whatever it is.
02:07:18.360And the problem is if you're just a group of, like, up-and-coming guys, like, there is value in that, right?
02:07:26.000You can kind of bounce ideas and figure things out and, you know.
02:07:29.340But you need people who have resources or experience or knowledge or, you know, reach or whatever it is, right?
02:07:38.640You need those people who have established themselves.
02:07:40.900And what those people are usually looking for is other people who have established themselves.
02:07:44.740And so you have to find a way of providing value for that upper echelon, those established guys.
02:07:51.760You have to find a way to get the up-and-coming guys to interact with the more established guys.0.98
02:07:57.140usually that's more about like social commentary talking you know shooting the shit talking about
02:08:02.100things like that um and then you know um giving those guys who are kind of up and coming an0.90
02:08:09.480opportunity uh like a path right i think this is another important point is like we've lost
02:08:14.220mentorship right we've lost the you know when you join a company to your point earlier like a lot
02:08:20.960of times people just they're not really interested in like long-term value of the business they're
02:08:27.680not interested in like bringing those people up they just want someone who can come in and do the
02:08:30.980job they don't really want to train or invest or do that kind of stuff right when we had these
02:08:36.020more tight-knit communities when we had this more high trust society when we saw things in much more
02:08:41.960of a long-term vision there was a lot of value in bringing people in and training them and teaching
02:08:47.020them the right way to do stuff because you know if you gave them good fundamentals they were going
02:08:51.400to be able to do you know good stuff for the business and then you built that relationship
02:08:55.100and yeah you're going to be working with them long term i think that is one of the other big
02:09:00.060factors is we're just moving around so much you move to college in a different state to work in
02:09:05.640another state entirely that you know we don't have the consistency to to really build up these
02:09:10.980these networks and structures and so it takes extra effort um but yeah i mean there's so much
02:09:17.960to talk to here i know i'm kind of jumping around from a million different things but like you know
02:09:22.200i think that is hopefully kind of drives home the point to people that networks are like the thing
02:09:30.360that we need to build we need to rebuild if we're going to be successful and it's just not having it
02:09:37.960has destroyed our ability to work together, to be successful, to navigate things, to know what's
02:09:43.780right, to, you know, understand people's reputations. We know how to, you know, who to
02:09:48.080connect with, who not to connect with, to feel invested in the long-term. And so until we get
02:09:53.580these things up and running again, it's just going to be, it's going to be a lot of floundering
02:09:59.680around. This is not a one person, you know, kind of solution thing. It needs to be organized.
02:10:07.960yeah um your point about like following up uh
02:10:13.880interacting with friends interacting with like uh potential mentors interacting with uh
02:10:21.700with groups interacting with companies it it's just like interacting with a girl at the bar
02:10:29.180you can do everything right and it's all pointless unless you you ask for the number
02:10:35.600and then message them afterwards like uh but you have to be be closing like the the messaging
02:10:46.480establishing a lot of contact in the neck next steps and you actually have to put in your phone
02:10:53.580what you had agreed that you're going to to do uh down the line or else it just becomes something
02:11:00.020that like you know you can say oh we should do this uh a dozen times and then nothing ever happens
02:11:07.220because nothing ever happens happens like unless you are early actually creating notes and stuff
02:11:14.340for yourself to like follow up with people uh it's all just gonna fall by the wayside and i'm
02:11:21.220i i personally am horrible at for this uh i have a list along my arm of like people i need to
02:11:29.100interview for podcast episodes and stuff that will hopefully I can get around to all of them by
02:11:35.760by December or so but uh I I I need to go through my like little list I made and actually try to
02:11:46.000track down everyone but uh so part of their a big part of the reason why I wanted to have you on
02:11:53.580And, like, I kind of hope we get to this sooner, but however long it takes, however long it takes.
02:12:02.740You can't escape this any longer, Meta.
02:12:05.740We had Danny Wolf on, and he was going on at length about your efforts during Hurricane Helene.
02:12:14.000According to him, like, there's some small town that basically made you the mayor and will be erecting a statue of you.
02:12:21.840you at some point in the future that like uh you became the warlord of uh of northwest carolina
02:12:30.000tell me about your efforts in hurricane helene uh yeah uh it's been a while but yeah that was
02:12:38.200it was a very um fulfilling experience um you know we talk a lot about community and network
02:12:44.780and helping people out and so when that happened i think the first couple days that like reports
02:12:51.240were coming in it was like very hard to understand like how bad things were and then once it became
02:12:55.860clear how bad things were you know obviously it was like all right cool we should definitely raise
02:13:00.260some money and and do something here right like this is something that is way worse um than just
02:13:06.620kind of a normal you know um natural disaster and you know i think danny is very uh very humble guy
02:13:17.620he was instrumental in kind of putting that together and he stayed there like many times
02:13:27.240over how yeah i was there for for a couple weeks and he was there for months and months uh the guy
02:13:34.660really poured his heart and soul into to helping those people down there and um he did a lot of
02:13:39.780great work but i i was fortunate in the sense that um when we went down there so it was danny who
02:13:45.480who actually connected us with a buddy of his who wasn't that far outside the area and so
02:13:50.820we raised a bunch of money online we got a bunch of guys to to meet up outside and then we drove in
02:13:58.700and I think the initial problem that we have was it wasn't really clear how we could be helpful
02:14:06.120like we wanted to be helpful like that was a very big at least in my mind a metric was
02:14:11.240i want to show up and do stuff such that the locals when they you know if they if they do
02:14:19.040remark about me or like yeah that person helped out right they weren't in the way they didn't
02:14:24.540consume resources that we had that we needed right like they were a net benefit um and so we
02:14:32.200were kind of like looking all right where can we do that and we kind of had some disagreements
02:14:37.040about where we should go or how we should do things or where we should be prepared or whatever
02:14:41.040but um because the first day we went in we went to uh there was a fire station forgetting the name
02:14:48.420but it's um it's on like one of the main roads after you go out of like um like downtown ashville
02:14:56.300and it like there was a lot of people gathering at that fire station because um it was just off
02:15:03.200one of the main roads it was a big fire station a lot of people could get to it and when we got
02:15:07.420there, they were basically like, look, uh, we have all the food and water we need. Uh, we don't
02:15:12.140like, we have so much, we don't even know where to store it anymore. And it was also clear that
02:15:16.320they like, we're having a lot of problems logistically managing, you know, where to send
02:15:21.760volunteers, what needed to be done. Um, there was a lot, a lot of issues also with like the
02:15:27.180government being locking certain people out of certain areas and they weren't doing a great job
02:15:33.080of managing resources or setting up a network or doing any of this kind of stuff so the first day
02:15:39.400was a little bit of a wash unfortunately uh we were just kind of looking for something to do and
02:15:44.240then um i had been you know reaching out through the online sphere trying to connect with anyone
02:15:51.380who was down there different groups different people and the second day we ended up going to
02:15:57.860this place called little switzerland uh because they had put out that they needed propane um and
02:16:03.380they were a much further ways in uh much closer to like the most affected areas and when we got
02:16:13.620there it was it was a little like uh like hotel retreat a beautiful little spot on a hill like
02:16:21.120great view and i guess that specific spot had been very fortunate that it didn't they hadn't
02:16:27.840gotten really hit there um but was like a perfect staging ground and gal who was kind of the the
02:16:35.900manager there um very selflessly it just said hey we're going to use this as like a staging spot and
02:16:42.260it wasn't even intentional right like i think a lot of what was um kind of inspiring about what
02:16:49.360happened in uh north carolina was there was just local people standing up um kind of just
02:16:57.320kind of seeing an opportunity to help out and then as they kind of proved that they were willing to
02:17:03.140do it um they got put in charge of more and more stuff which also had its downsides um i ended up
02:17:10.340while we were there we connected with another guy danny um who we had i had on the podcast a while
02:17:17.780back and um he different danny and you know he was just like a local guy who had showed up at the
02:17:27.100the inn to offer to help out and then ended up like organizing a lot of that stuff and so when
02:17:33.920me and a buddy of mine uh got there we we handed off all the stuff that we brought in and we were
02:17:40.700like hey you know we came out to help we've got plenty of time you know we've got our own
02:17:44.980you know tent sleeping bags food water stuff like that we're not you know looking to for anyone to
02:17:51.740you know have to put us up or anything like that can we help out and he was like yeah actually and
02:17:57.080so we were talking about what they really needed and it came down to logistics right like they
02:18:02.040needed someone to organize what are the calls coming in where they need help uh who are the
02:18:06.640volunteers that we have what are the equipment how are we going to log that we're getting all
02:18:10.860of these donations we're getting big donations of a lot of different stuff we want to keep track of
02:18:14.880that because if somebody gets power back, we want to get the generator from them and give it to
02:18:20.260someone else. We want to know who needs things more. We also want to be keeping track of medicine
02:18:25.780and all of these other things. And so being the corporate tech guy that I am, I set to work
02:18:35.860putting together spreadsheets and keeping down inventory and tracking things. But also it was
02:18:43.640networking with people uh we were lucky that spot had starlink and so i connected in with uh you
02:18:49.680had the christian rangers you had the bitcoin veterans those two groups absolutely phenomenal
02:18:54.640dudes um and uh their leadership was able to connect to them through uh some other friends
02:19:02.920that i had in the gwalk community um who kind of knew people who were down there and so um we ended
02:19:09.620it being like a pretty great staging ground for them to come up and um launch some of their uh
02:19:15.640kind of efforts uh deeper into the more affected like northern parts um and yeah like my my whole
02:19:24.360stance while i was there was you know i was i was working very closely with the um the you know
02:19:30.440little switzerland danny and the the gal who ran the and and uh there was another uh woman who was
02:19:38.380like um helping out as well and you know my big thing with them was like yeah let me know what
02:19:45.020you need like this is all about helping you guys be organized and so we ended up staying there for
02:19:50.900a while and and getting like a bunch of people to kind of come in and that was another thing is
02:19:58.600there was a lot of places that were turning away aid that was coming in because they just didn't
02:20:03.980have space to put it or a lot of these people out there are very um very selfless uh danny uh danny
02:20:13.720wolf was doing like he was actually trekking you know throwing stuff on his in in giant backpacks
02:20:19.400and leading groups out into into the haulers and he was saying that they would try to deliver stuff
02:20:24.880to some of these people and they would say no they're like oh we're all set and they're just
02:20:29.080like what do you mean and they're like well we have like uh you know this bottle of water and
02:20:33.260we have a little bit of food just like yeah you need more like you know like you're not going to
02:20:38.560be able to live off that so there was a lot of logistical issues a lot of the you know the people
02:20:44.400again who got put in charge these things were just local people who just stood up but the problem is
02:20:49.140then like they would be the single point of contact and everyone would get their number and
02:20:53.820they'd be getting you know 20 calls an hour you know asking for help or you know saying oh where
02:21:00.140should I deliver you know these donations or whatever it was and so being able to offload
02:21:05.420that being able to structure that and the last thing I'll say and this was a big thing for me is
02:21:10.320seeing um the there's a lot of these these aid groups and a lot of the volunteers are really
02:21:22.860good genuine people they show up because they want to help out and I have immense respect for those
02:21:27.520people uh unfortunately there's some people kind of who are at the the top of these groups you know
02:21:33.240and they're there because you know it's it looks good it's you know they could get grants um you
02:21:40.320know they can they can you know pay themselves hefty you know uh um like administration uh salaries
02:21:48.500and all this kind of stuff and so um you saw these people kind of like sniffing around these different
02:21:54.080areas trying to get involved and so i you know and try and say oh we can get you a grant we can
02:21:59.140do this we can do that and so i worked with uh the local guys to set up their own uh non-profit
02:22:06.540and make sure that they had their own direct way of getting donations and then uh moving that
02:22:13.620around and distributing how they wanted and you know so there's like um if you search i and i can
02:22:19.100pull it up and i can send you the link if you're interested but it's like little switzerland
02:22:22.580relief organization and they've been doing great work and it's still tough there i mean there's so
02:22:29.120many long-term problems that those people have where it was like flood zones were changed because
02:22:34.480you i guess they draw the flood zone the flood line where the you know the last flood was in the
02:22:40.980last like 100 years and then they say like you can't build anything below the flood line but
02:22:45.700you had people who's had homes there for generations and generations and now like you
02:22:50.680know the government's telling them that you can't have a home there um and so like people got
02:22:55.780displaced uh and it's just horrible um and you know they're not going to have the same economic
02:23:04.380opportunities like tourism isn't going to be nearly what it once was a lot of these businesses
02:23:09.640have to like rebuild from scratch and then they're you know not able to make nearly as much money and
02:23:15.060And so, you know, they got really hit and they're going to need aid for a long time.
02:23:21.040I think the point where I kind of decided it was time for me to name that organization in and I'm this will be included in the show notes.
02:23:31.320So this link will appear in the podcast notes, which should be appearing on like whatever podcatcher you have this on a home.
02:23:40.680to your listener yeah well 100 be on the sub stack uh appearing in the like uh actual
02:23:49.040podcast uh the structure of the sub stack so can you name that aid organization again and again
02:23:56.100it's in the show notes yeah they're little switzerland relief um and you know that's just
02:24:03.880it i'll send you the link it's um they're a 501c3 non-profit and yeah they just basically
02:24:09.920we got it stood up you know through starlink while this was all going on so that they could
02:24:16.480take donations directly and they didn't have to worry about um you know these being kind of
02:24:22.940middlemaned by these different organizations and and having like grant money kind of siphoned off
02:24:27.760um but uh yeah i mean the point where i bowed out was when the conversation shifted from okay you
02:24:36.300know we've got everyone who needs help you know we've we've got the short-term help that they need
02:24:42.220now we have to make decisions about long-term help and now that you know that's a real serious
02:24:47.200problem of like okay well you know there's there were people there who weren't that well off to
02:24:52.920begin with like do you want them to just get a bunch of grant money you know um you know maybe
02:24:59.700they were living below like a standard quality of life before right like it is your is it your
02:25:05.500responsibility to like use that money to elevate them or you know people who are doing well like
02:25:11.120so for example one of the things that you might not think about is like uh livestock there was
02:25:16.540there was a bunch of farmers in that area and they you know they had cows and sheep and chickens and
02:25:21.360all this kind of stuff that they had had for you know generations upon generations right their
02:25:25.500family had brought that up so it's not like you know a bunch of cows you know die because because
02:25:32.120of the storm and then they can't be fed and then you have all these issues and then okay well we're
02:25:36.200just gonna buy them a bunch more cows right well you know those cows it was it was also like the
02:25:41.860genetics of those cows that had been you know honed for you know generations and generations
02:25:47.240that these people were losing right and so you know you could say oh well this person you know
02:25:54.240like their home was destroyed and that kind of stuff and we have to help them out but also
02:25:58.480like you give a lot of money to someone running a farm so they can feed like all of their livestock
02:26:04.460right um you know because that's a lot of money into into one person technically but you know
02:26:11.120them keeping that livestock alive is really important um it might be very important for
02:26:16.580the region to have you know make sure that the farmers there are you know able to make it through
02:26:22.240and and still provide you know local food and all this kind of stuff and so there's a lot of
02:26:27.340difficult questions and um that kind of come up as you're you know kind of gotten the situation
02:26:33.480under control you've gotten everyone like food and water and you know figured out who needs medicine
02:26:37.940and you know who who's lost power who needs you know uh like heating lamps and all that kind of
02:26:43.580stuff and so that that was the point where i i kind of just said hey look like i it's not me as
02:26:49.280an outsider from here to to be making any of these decisions and i felt like i had built up a
02:26:54.860a structure enough that, um, they can, and they kind of, you know, got to know each other.
02:26:59.920It was very serendipitous too, because when we first showed up later that night, some of the
02:27:05.860people from the, the other, uh, nearby areas who were kind of leading their own little drop site
02:27:11.100rescue efforts. And again, these, these were all local people. None of them were, were government
02:27:15.100or, or even like, you know, volunteer orgs or anything like that. And, um, you know, we like
02:27:21.280met in the lobby of uh of the the inn and you know had a whole conversation about what was going on
02:27:27.160and there were some crazy stories like evidently there were uh like crackheads riding inflatable
02:27:32.660mattresses down the rivers and like stealing from these homes that were yeah you know people
02:27:37.840had either left behind or you know were still in kind of like sheltering and so there was there
02:27:43.060was some crazy stuff going on and it was also cool it's like a lot of the people were strapped
02:27:47.700like even in the meeting you had like you know women with uh you know the holster uh guns on
02:27:52.600their hips and stuff like that and then we even had um later we had a chinook landed uh on like
02:28:01.060the uh like the lawn of the inn and was dropping off supplies and that happened a couple times and
02:28:06.160that was pretty crazy as well to to kind of witness so you know it was very fortunate that
02:28:12.340we kind of got to that spot because I think that, you know,
02:28:15.280logistical help was something that they needed. And it was just, you know,
02:28:21.000something that just, I was kind of had the skillset to provide.
02:28:33.820I have an immense amount of respect for the locals who are building that
02:28:37.880because again, I think that the big thing was they had a community, right?
02:28:42.140And that community really stood up. And that was one of the other things that I was telling Danny, the local Danny, when I left was like, you have an opportunity here, you know, as horrible as all of this is, right? It's an opportunity to strengthen your community, right? Because you go through something hard, and you start building that trust, you get to know people, you know, a little bit more.
02:29:08.680And, you know, it's out of necessity and it sucks that that necessity is there. But, you know, that strength hopefully means that the next time any issue comes down the pipe, you know, you guys are more cohesive, you're more unified and it's easier to address.
02:29:25.360And I think similarly, you could say that we're going through this on a societal level as well as like with the destruction of Western society and the degradation of all of these different structures and systems.
02:29:39.380And I think that only a certain number of people are going to make through and the people who are going to make it through are the people who step up, lean into community, into fraternity, into family.
02:29:51.740you know they find these enclaves of people that who they can trust they can be around because
02:29:57.020going back and i think this might be like a nice point to really drive home kind of all the
02:30:03.200different ideas that we've been talking about is thinking about the long term right you can't win
02:30:09.200anything unless you have family unless you have the next generation so family is arguably the most
02:30:16.620important thing. And if we think about not just the short term of like having kids, I mean, that's
02:30:22.380very important, but thinking about it in a long-term sense of grandkids and great grandkids,
02:30:27.420who are the people you were going to like have great grandkids in common with? It's the people
02:30:35.300around you, it's the people in your community. And so, you know, you are making a decision when you
02:30:40.980engage in the community when you move somewhere when you build a friend group those people aren't
02:30:47.060necessarily your family um but they might be right you might be family through shared grandchildren
02:30:53.780at some point and ideally that would you you would ideally want that to be the case right because
02:30:58.360if you're you know if your kid is going to marry someone wouldn't you want the person that your
02:31:03.380kid marries to be you know the son or daughter of your of your one of your best friends one of
02:31:08.240your closest, uh, people who you trust and you, you think highly of, right. And so if we are
02:31:13.980thinking about the long-term, right. And making it and all this kind of thing, like being around,
02:31:20.820building a strong community, being around those people, raising families together,
02:31:24.080right. Knowing that you're going to kind of have shared family into the future that you want to
02:31:29.620see that shared family be successful. And that's not just a matter of money, uh, and wisdom, but
02:31:36.020it's it's you know cohesion it's community it's you want that strong extended family you want that
02:31:41.320strong community because you know when i think of those who are going to make it and those who
02:31:45.380aren't right especially in the long term it's it is those those bigger structures that we don't
02:31:50.780pay attention to not the national level stuff you know not the individual level stuff that
02:31:54.940kind of medium you know group structure stuff that just isn't paid attention to
02:31:59.820yeah no that that is an extraordinary uh
02:32:09.080like uh the individual like group the individual up to like uh a few a hundred people is
02:32:20.660is like the centerpiece of like what life is like uh kings have had fewer than like 600 followers
02:32:32.380i've been like very successful starry kings you know odysseus led 600 men to troy that was his
02:32:40.340great contribution and he's one of the greatest names of all time and yet uh we're focused on
02:32:47.900these uh figures of national politics who like couldn't care less about you and and uh
02:32:55.520have like no relationship not only to you but not to anyone you know or not to anyone anyone you
02:33:02.900knows knows knows that uh that you shouldn't be looking for like big prominent political leaders
02:33:12.040on tv to to be uh leader figures or like uh big rallying points for your movement you should be
02:33:19.400looking for people uh immediately around you and like within within uh the areas where you are
02:33:29.860and within you like your own social network but uh uh so you're so i i want to focus on like
02:33:39.140specifically the logistics of Helene, like specifically, ultimately what I'd love is to
02:33:46.320have a campaign book on the Hurricane Helene relief effort, the exact same way like a military
02:33:51.820historian might do a military campaign. But so you arrive, you say it all starts to come together
02:33:59.400in most Switzerland. How many people do you have like operating there? How many like
02:34:04.200local volunteers and like volunteers that have coming from elsewhere and like how are they
02:34:10.600divided up yeah um we we probably at our peak had something like 40 or 50 active like volunteers
02:34:21.700um and and again like you know i i was just kind of one piece of uh helping with this it was really
02:34:30.700you know the gal who's running the uh who's the manager of of the inn and then you had uh
02:34:36.960local danny and then you have this other gal and um you know i brought in some like guys who were
02:34:45.100in the area um again the you know the christian ranger group bitcoin veteran groups they had
02:34:51.160brought out a bunch of people and they were doing some some really good stuff helping out at some of
02:34:55.600the different drop sites and we were just a good um place for them to connect into because we were
02:35:01.760much further uh up north closer to um where a lot of the you know a lot of people who needed help
02:35:10.060were and so it was like a good staging ground um they also had a bunch of like um buildings
02:35:16.860on uh on the property that were great for storing stuff we had a um i don't know it was like a like
02:35:24.440a little town hall room i don't know it was i don't know how to exactly describe it but um like
02:35:31.260a lot of the donated goods were coming into there we even organized at one point getting
02:35:37.000shipping containers that were put on the back parking lot so that we could store some of the
02:35:41.560stuff because there was a expectation that you know donations would drop off significantly as
02:35:49.800you know the news cycle kind of moved on and you know if you wanted a lot of people turning
02:35:54.800stuff away you know it would be much better to just find a place to store it so people had
02:35:59.440something had access and then another big piece of this too was that especially initially we they
02:36:07.160were all good on food and water it was things like uh generators heat lamps um and you know
02:36:15.880interesting thing too the generators it was you a lot of the times the people who needed the
02:36:20.660generators most were old right they needed to to heat their home and keep the lights on because
02:36:26.400you know or they they had some sort of medical condition or something like that and so it was
02:36:31.780very hard for them to do the pull start generators they actually needed the push button generators
02:36:37.080um and so just stuff like that right that you wouldn't have thought about or as i was talking
02:36:43.920earlier about like the you know trying to trying to keep like the local farmers uh livestock alive
02:36:49.700because it represented generations of uh genetic husbandry of animal husbandry and like you know
02:36:56.860they'd produced a you know very specific type of cow well suited for the region that was kind of
02:37:01.700like an intellectual property almost that could you know die off if they um you know if they lose
02:37:06.840their herd so you know there were all these issues we were trying to get that out to people as well
02:37:11.700to try and encourage them to donate in the right way.
02:37:14.340And I think that was another big reason
02:37:34.660and a lot of places just didn't know where to send them.
02:37:38.280And so, or you'd send somebody somewhere
02:37:40.580And then somebody else would have gone or somebody who is out there is just driving around looking for things to do or people to help would have, you know, just ran into them and said, oh, yeah, we'll help you.
02:37:50.820So you had a lot of this kind of misallocated resources that were just being wasted.
02:37:56.440And so the question became like, how do you actually manage that correctly?
02:38:01.140But, you know, the Christian Rangers and the Bitcoin veteran guys were extremely professional, a bunch of GWAT dudes.
02:38:07.620They had built some pretty interesting.
02:38:09.860global war on terror by the way a lot of people don't know the acronym ah yeah yeah so yeah so
02:38:16.680so like younger veterans basically is is a way to think about them is like more recent veterans and
02:38:21.700um yeah you definitely go check out their stuff uh they're they're very much on the wavelength
02:38:27.860and that was the other thing is it was interestingly so that's christian christian
02:38:32.700rangers and uh bitcoin veterans um yeah if you have a link for them i can throw them in the
02:38:39.800show nuts too sure yeah for sure yeah so those guys very interesting um they're also very much
02:38:47.640on this wavelength like the bitcoin veterans their whole thing is like you know get into bitcoin
02:38:52.240because of all the things right and the christian rangers are like you know they're they're kind of
02:38:58.500very much like the you know the religious groups who are kind of consolidating because they see of
02:39:02.680all the you know the degeneracy and all the you know the downfall of western civilization stuff
02:39:07.540like that so they're very much on that wavelength and you know it was funny right because this was
02:39:11.640pre uh 20 uh pre 2020 24 like election right and um so you know we're talking about like you know
02:39:23.620we talked a little bit of politics and everything like that but and then that was like a whole other
02:39:28.080thing right is like no one really cared too much about politics right it was just like like go in
02:39:33.660and help people out but like later on Danny Wolf had to deal with like the media being like well
02:39:39.260all these people who are being helpful did you actually know that they're you know like evil
02:39:43.380white supremacists and it's just like you know can't you can't hit the media enough you can't0.78
02:39:48.880have a good thing um you know they always got to like try to ruin it somehow but um it was great
02:39:55.580like you know networking opportunity in that way because it was just a lot of people who again you
02:40:01.260when i think about networking i'm thinking about who are people who are actually going out and
02:40:06.980doing what they say because there's a lot of talking heads online there's a lot of people
02:40:12.140who talk about these things you know people uh one of the biggest criticisms that i'll hear
02:40:17.040repeated by especially people who are in the bronze age very wide sphere and they'll say oh
02:40:21.160you came after soul bra and you don't understand his legacy you know he was fighting uh you know
02:40:27.260against the covid lockdowns and doing all this stuff and i'm like all right cool like i'm glad
02:40:32.060to hear that but also you know i saw a post that he like retweeted someone who had found this piece
02:40:39.800of property that looked like awesome for you know like a retreat you know for for guys to go hang
02:40:46.320out and train and work and do all this kind of stuff and you see kind of videos about that every
02:40:50.480once in a while and you know it's a it's a cool idea in in theory right and like so broad like
02:40:57.020quote tweeted and said something along the lines of uh if somebody builds this i will come by and
02:41:01.680and run it and it's just like dude considering how many people you know how big you are on the
02:41:08.120internet right like it would not be hard for you to do this and the fact that you're just like
02:41:15.120somebody else build it and i'll run it is like the exact reason why i despise people like that
02:41:20.000right i think that there's a dunbar's number of content creators in the online sphere and so when
02:41:26.340like people will get mad at me when they're like, oh, you can't counter signal this person or that
02:41:30.060person or whatever. And I'm like, why not? Right. Like if I think that they're wrong, I'm going to
02:41:34.120say it. I'm not going to play this like dumb social game of like trying to pretend to get along
02:41:38.920or whatever. Right. If somebody's, you know, earned my respect, you know, maybe I'll, and I0.90
02:41:44.580usually try not to be aggressive or whatever off the bat, give people the benefit of the doubt and
02:41:50.560kind of allow there to be a constructive conversation that's had out of that. But
02:41:55.300you know seeing people who uh talk a big game online but even when they're like given the
02:42:04.120opportunity or they could very easily do something of value they don't that's something that that
02:42:10.380deeply frustrates me because i think it's very easy we see this again all the time on the left
02:42:16.220with virtue signaling but no one calls it out on the right right we have our own version of like
02:42:22.320right-wing like like there's propaganda that's that's designed for right-wing people right there's
02:42:27.280there's the the barbarian you know power fantasy larp of like uh you know we're gonna do all this
02:42:32.840and do all that and it's like cool but like do something right like you're being online talking
02:42:39.040about these things is is not enough you actually have to go out you have to you know and so that
02:42:43.540that's like i like to think that you know the philosophy that i espouse is the one that i
02:42:48.560practice as well i it would be kind of hypocritical of me to talk all about networks and building and
02:42:54.580helping people and then you know the with that you know helene coming up it was like hey look if i
02:42:59.620don't i don't put my money where my mouth is on this one and go out and and put some of my time
02:43:04.600in and try to leverage you know what we built then you know i would feel like i would be just
02:43:10.300being a hypocrite and so you know and i and i'm pretty fortunate in the sense that like at that
02:43:15.600point in my life I had had the time uh to do it um whereas I know that there were people who wanted0.93
02:43:21.500to go who you know they got jobs they got families and I understand those things are priorities so
02:43:26.720yeah I mean a lot of good groups out there and that's the other thing too is I think that we
02:43:32.160are sometimes siloed in a certain part of social media and we don't run into some of like the other
02:43:39.520groups who would be um kind of good to connect with and that's why I thought you know like
02:43:45.060meeting the bitcoin veterans and the christian ranger guys was was great because yeah they're
02:43:49.940they're not guys i would normally overlap with but obviously they showed up you know and uh they did
02:43:56.740work and they did amazing stuff they were they also raised a large amount of money the bitcoin
02:44:02.500veteran guys raised a large amount of money um they were bringing in tiny homes um i know that
02:44:09.560the ogc guys even like helped uh donate a raft to uh danny wolf's crew because they were doing
02:44:16.020body recovery like i i was pretty fortunate in that um you know i was kind of like uh doing
02:44:24.120logistical organization and talking to people and you know do spreadsheets phone you know i i'd go
02:44:30.000out and kind of um you know help out with like inventory like bringing stuff in i did what i
02:44:34.780could but i wasn't going out and like back to the to the hollers or you know there were there
02:44:39.940were flooded areas where they were pulling bodies out and yeah so there's some pretty crazy stuff
02:44:44.400and i know danny wolf was kind of at the forefront of that so um i i appreciate him like talking me
02:44:51.400up what was the like um what was the operational geography like like you're operating from little
02:44:57.560switzerland and danny danny wolf is going out out with like backpacks to like uh pull people out of
02:45:05.780buildings and whatnot like what's the range like uh like uh like how far are you going i was trying
02:45:12.060to map this out at the time uh and i could not get a handle on what you guys are doing for the
02:45:19.380life of me like from the air from the air uh like uh how far were you guys like hiking out um
02:45:27.380what was the area how many people were you like doing relief efforts for like what was the
02:45:32.560population uh yeah i feel like this is going to be one of those things like um uh like chuck
02:45:39.720carlson asked like uh ted cruz like how many people are in uh you know iran or something
02:45:45.760It's just like, uh, yeah, I don't really know.
02:45:50.540So like bulk market, it wasn't hundreds of thousands.
02:45:54.140Was it tens of thousands, thousands, hundreds?
02:47:04.580But, yeah, I mean, yeah, I would say it's not...
02:47:08.040uh like uh like a big wasn't like a big area um but it was really the fact that just people
02:47:15.780were so isolated you have a lot of these hollers right you have you know it's a very mountainous
02:47:20.720region right and the hollers like some of these were like dirt roads you know that miles and
02:47:26.980maybe like a group of sorry go ahead oh sorry you cut off for a second just to repeat your
02:47:37.860last sentence oh yeah so it was just there's a lot of these like back holler areas um where there's
02:47:45.900just you know very few people but you know they're very isolated you still need to get stuff to them
02:47:51.700right and so so danny was like one of those guys where you know like they drive until the trail
02:47:56.080it was like you know the road was washed out and then they you know throw everything all their gear
02:48:00.380into backpacks and you know hike it you know as far in and you know sometimes they didn't even
02:48:05.420know what they were going to see and you know some some people were like very skeptical of people
02:48:10.440like coming in to help you know because there were people who were coming in not to help right to to
02:48:16.120loot and to to take advantage and stuff like that so um the way i see it is we were like like you
02:48:23.840know if you think of ashville as kind of like the main city um you know when we drove through there
02:48:29.960they had lost power and you know things were we're still not uh up and up but um then you had
02:48:36.100burnsville um as kind of like the main like hub and then little switzerland little switzerland
02:48:43.640is like further um further east and a little south of burnsville but it was like up in that
02:48:51.440like eastern area and then you kind of get into the um there's like a bunch of different like
02:48:58.660areas around there like bakersville and um that like those were the hardest hit there's like as
02:49:05.260you go up into the mountains like that's where they they didn't have as much uh like help or you
02:49:12.120know like all the roads were like small and stuff like that and so and in little switzerland was
02:49:17.260interesting because it was a it's like a mix of like locals who've been there for generations
02:49:23.400their families have been there for generations and then like you know it is kind of like there
02:49:27.760is like a little bit of like a a nice touristy element part of uh little switzerland um and uh
02:49:35.220you know some of the some of the stories from the locals were pretty funny there's this one guy
02:49:39.440who he was he was one of the like the local heroes just driving around in the
02:49:43.940in the four-wheelers and like you know getting gear to people and evidently the the night that
02:49:49.300the uh hurricane came through he like went in and on and like checked on them and they were like
02:49:54.680freaking out he ended up like helping them out a little bit but up until that point i guess they
02:50:01.100had been very like like mean and dismissive to him you know it was like you're kind of like classic
02:50:05.900like uh you know city liberal meets you know small town uh you know conservative uh and yeah
02:50:14.960i i'm looking at it and it's actually like kind of a shockingly like smallish area like uh
02:50:24.440But on a clear day, like, you know, a like four or five hour bicycle ride or less, you know, like a two hour bicycle ride.
02:50:35.560If you were like fit, you could like cover all the way from like Asheville to to Johnson City or Lenore.
02:50:47.840That's like only about 50 kilometers across.
02:50:50.620It's like a little mountain range that you're operating in.
02:50:52.740But looking at the trails and roads, it's like technically as the crows fly, it's only like 50 kilometers across from like flatland civilization to like flatland and civilization.
02:51:08.860Like Asheville to Kingsport and the border is only like 50 kilometers.
02:51:14.380But looking at it on the map, it's like those are like winding narrow roads and like you're following these valleys that are washed out and have changed.
02:51:26.260So I could easily see where, you know, to draw a straight line on the map from Little Switzerland, it might be like five or ten kilometers, you know, just like a nice evening stroll.
02:51:56.200and all the other volunteers who are, you know,
02:51:58.160on the ground like, you know, getting out to these places
02:52:00.400because a lot of times too they'd, like, you know,
02:52:02.780we had Starlight or Starlink at the inn
02:52:08.940but as soon as they kind of left that you know area they'd lose signal and so they had to kind
02:52:15.220of use maps and you know radio and uh or you know most of the time they were just kind of like all
02:52:21.660right we're gonna you know drive around until we find you know this person and just kind of hope
02:52:26.540for the best so yeah it was it was a very interesting situation um and i think like it
02:52:32.900was one of those things where so uh a little bit of a side like back in college i wrote my
02:52:38.860senior thesis on networks and how group structure affects uh cooperation and one of the things that
02:52:48.260you're supposed to do when you write any type of like paper like that is is use some sort of
02:52:53.100precedent for um your own like research and how you're doing it and because i had being a giant
02:53:00.300nerd uh used world of warcraft as an example of how um like you could look at guild structure
02:53:07.500and how those were organized and then you could look at achievement levels and gear score so it
02:53:11.840was a very um quantifiable um which was pretty interesting at the time i mean this was back in
02:53:17.960like oh nine uh 2010 and so like you know just as facebook was starting to become a thing uh so for
02:53:25.880some of the younger listeners it's like might be a little mind-boggling but um you know a lot of
02:53:32.500the so i studied network sociology which is not sociology sociology because i know like you know
02:53:38.120sociology gets a bad rap and justly so but um one of the uh one of the problems was a lot of the
02:53:47.200network sociologists the the guy who's the forefronter at the time is this guy duncan
02:53:51.560watts he's from the university of columbia still read a lot of his studies very good stuff um but
02:53:57.400he would do a lot of mathematical models and my point was like oh well there's all these networks
02:54:02.900that me being a you know a gamer nerd i'm tied into i'm aware of and like let me apply that here
02:54:08.500but um i bring this up because the way that i justified it to like university professors was
02:54:16.380to say look there was this event that happened a couple years back in world of warcraft um it's
02:54:22.780called like corrupted blood or something like that and it's from uh like the hakar fight he's
02:54:28.720like one of these bosses and he puts a debuff and uh he's like an end game boss and so you know it
02:54:35.080does like a little bit of damage to high level characters but one of the things you could do is
02:54:39.840you could like your pet if you're a hunter you could get it on your pet and then you could
02:54:44.040unsummon your pet and then you could like get summoned outside of the uh instance or something
02:54:49.880like that and then you could uh resummon your pet and your pet would have the debuff on it
02:54:54.080and it would just spread and so you could get the debuff out into the real world and people would
02:54:59.760bring it into as soon as this kind of like became a known thing people were bringing it into cities
02:55:04.640and then infecting everyone in the cities with it and the low level characters would die like
02:55:09.020instantly because it did like a base 100 damage which for high level characters not a big deal
02:55:13.280but for low-level characters it's like their entire health bar so um so there's this like
02:55:19.020basically a pandemic that happened like on world of warcraft and it was funny because there was a
02:55:25.340bunch of these wait so this was your you popularize this because this is like still one of the case
02:55:31.240studies in epidemiology that like they bring up now again i didn't popularize that no no no no
02:55:37.480That happened a couple of years before I wrote my thesis, but I use that as an example of what to justify my research of looking at group structure and cooperation as a group structure as a way to understand cooperation and that this is a legitimate realm to dive into and to extrapolate from.
02:56:03.400Because to your point, a lot of epidemiologists were like rushing to, you know, to Blizzard's the parent company of, you know, that runs World of Warcraft and saying, no, no, don't shut this down.
02:56:15.220Don't stop this. We need all of your data, like everything that you're, you know, you're seeing from this, like we need to understand it because this has extremely powerful real world implications.
02:56:24.300Right. And I think, you know, similarly, there's probably a case study to be done or tons of case studies to be done on like how people in North Carolina kind of like organized and helped each other out and like manage things.
02:56:41.040like a little switzerland inn was geographically in a really ideal spot and it had a lot of space
02:56:48.240and it was also defensible that there were issues where you had people who were trying to come in
02:56:55.280and steal stuff and and do all of these kinds of things or you know um so you you had to be careful
02:57:01.560and so you know and it became kind of like a nexus point and then you again you had all these
02:57:07.580people who were like coming from these different groups and they were looking for ways to be
02:57:11.080helpful and you know and even long before i got there like um because we got there like um i think
02:57:18.360a little bit less than a week after the hurricane hit and we you know we were hearing stories from
02:57:23.280locals about you know when everything first happened and evidently the national guard did
02:57:28.500come through in like the first day and they like cut a bunch of the major trees that were along
02:57:33.300some of the lines and that they ended up staying at the inn but some of the locals were like you
02:57:38.760know had joined them and were helping out there's one young guy who is um you know dropped out of
02:57:44.620college to make money doing landscaping work and does really good work and he was like uh on the
02:57:51.260verge of getting married too i'm sure he's married by now um it's just like really good salt of the
02:57:56.680earth kid and he was talking about how he came up to check on his parents or his grandparents or
02:58:01.060something like that and so they they ended up joining up with the national guard and like
02:58:04.580helping them like cut through all these downed trees and stuff like that it was really epic
02:58:08.140story i do want to get him on my podcast at some point um but yeah i mean there's i i see that
02:58:16.200whole experience as kind of like if anything really went down on a global scale i saw this
02:58:23.540one post today about the polarity shift and how that's gonna you know wipe out all technology
02:58:28.800on earth and who knows right like but um you know if if any catastrophe ever happened like that's
02:58:36.240probably about as close as you're going to get to kind of like seeing an example of that and
02:58:42.640seeing how those things kind of like work and how people band together and yeah it really
02:58:47.660i think that you know if we're kind of tie this into the the whole community and network building
02:58:53.080and all that kind of stuff it was like the people who got up took the initiative went out talked to
02:58:58.700their neighbors who also knew their neighbors already like a lot of the people who were kind of
02:59:04.300volunteering who were local uh you know at the end or people who knew other people you know and
02:59:12.420they are so they already kind of knew each other but they also gained like a much deeper respect
02:59:18.340and appreciation for each other and you know you could tell that they were you know it was like
02:59:23.920hard times forge those bonds. So it was, it was crazy to see. Um, and yeah, it might be, uh,
02:59:32.240if you're, if I know you got a long lineup of, uh, people to bring on, but if you're interested
02:59:37.600in having like, um, uh, the little Switzerland Danny or any of those kind of local people that
02:59:44.280come on and talk about it, I think it might be interesting. No, that'd be very interesting,
02:59:49.840Especially because, well, if they're local, they've stuck around.
02:59:53.700So they've seen like, you know, Danny Wolf has like a longer view of it.
02:59:59.440And you have like this narrow view of the moment of crisis and like the moment of organization, which is fascinating.
03:00:06.520But like seeing the full spectrum from before to it happened to now, that'd be very interesting.
03:00:15.220um that that being said you plug your podcast uh i will include that into the show notes as well
03:00:23.740uh the meta prime podcast uh or do you have another name further we just call it the the
03:00:31.780meta cast yeah i feel like uh i'm moving away from from meta prime it's been i don't know like
03:00:38.500trying to rebrand a little bit and reorient uh what i'm talking about um you know i've i've been
03:00:45.780working on re revamping the website and a big part of this is to me is realizing a lot of my content
03:00:52.940is around describing the like strategies frameworks and concepts for flourishing so it's just like how
03:01:00.520do you live a good life you know how how should things work you know so so network building and
03:01:06.060you know um you know personal improvement and figuring out what's going on in the sphere and
03:01:11.100then giving things names too um i wrote recently a article on refuting techno transhumanism
03:01:18.520and um a big part of the focus of that is obviously i'm refuting techno transhumanism but
03:01:24.940i'm also trying to explain ideas and concepts gives them give them names give them structure
03:01:32.300such that other people can kind of understand my arguments and so that that's a lot of what my
03:01:37.980content is about i i chose the name meta specifically for that reason to say like i'm
03:01:44.820i'm trying to look at meta concepts and because i think that ultimately what we've lost is we used
03:01:51.520to have like a culturally ingrained disposition to do healthy things right like society culture
03:02:00.020religion all of these things supposed we're supposed to orient you in the right way towards
03:02:05.020having kids and building community and you know strong families all that kind of stuff and now
03:02:09.940in a world where we've been given so much choice so much individual freedom and we've been told
03:02:15.640that the you know the way to live a fulfilling and meaningful life is to pursue you know a career
03:02:22.900and to, you know, to be wealthy and, you know, get, you know, have all the hallmarks of like
03:02:29.640the quintessential American life, you know, the, the, the house, the car traveling, that kind of
03:02:34.960thing. Um, we've, we've been very seeped in the material. And if I like my, my full term for the
03:02:41.480thing, for the ideology that gets promoted in the mainstream is, uh, delusional utopian consumerism.
03:02:48.080and um you know if if you kind of realize that's a lie or that's not um going to actually be
03:02:56.720fulfilling or meaningful you have to orient towards something good well what is that thing
03:03:01.300that you orient towards right and i think that a lot of times the people in the conservative or
03:03:06.060the right on the right will look to the past and i think that's the right place to start um but
03:03:12.460they'll often get stuck thinking oh to like we just need trad wives again like we'll just like
03:03:18.280you know women will be naked barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen you know all the time um but in my
03:03:25.060mind it's um you have to extract the transcendent ideals and adapt them for the modern world that1.00
03:03:32.560we live in um and that that step is important so you need not only conservation but also innovation
03:03:38.680and so it's necessary to to go through that process you need to describe what those transcendent
03:03:47.480ideals are what are those meta principles those meta philosophies those meta goals that you know
03:03:52.980people should be thinking about oriented towards and so in that way i try not to be too prescriptive
03:03:58.300by saying like oh you have to do x specific thing it's more of like this is what's important here's
03:04:04.240why and once you understand that value that that direction then you can you know make it
03:04:11.100the individual decision uh in your personal life like what to pursue and so that's a lot of what i
03:04:17.500do and i think um another point where we were doing a little bit of traveling you had made of
03:04:22.820like i adopt this approach largely because i think that there is value in looking for the
03:04:31.600similarities between different groups of people. You were talking earlier about my corporate speak.
03:04:36.120And I think you've said before that I'm like fairly good at getting along with people from
03:04:40.180a lot of different backgrounds. And I think part of that is the corporate speak. Part of that is
03:04:44.360because for me, I'm looking at the meta truth and I'm trying to see that truth in the way that
03:04:50.340different people see the world and represent the world or talk about the world. Right. So I'm a
03:04:55.500perennialist. I believe all religions are different interpretations of the same thing.0.99
03:04:59.880some are better than others and some are vastly better than others right so it's it's not like
03:05:04.800i'm like oh kumbaya like you know that kind of thing um but i think once you understand that
03:05:10.720you know we're using different words to talk about like god or all father the divine or whatever
03:05:17.880um and that there are correct interpretations and incorrect interpretations certainly but they're
03:05:23.780also adapted for their people for their environment for their time this is one of the biggest
03:05:28.220frustrations that i have with christianity is i think it's largely maladapted for the modern
03:05:32.700world and that's why it's been so hollowed out and yet you know the christians still have a lot
03:05:38.220of their defensive uh you know group cohesion tactics of saying that they're the only path and
03:05:45.360you know refusing to work with uh people of uh different faiths and stuff like that it's like
03:05:50.200well you know um because like the the soft core you know mainstream christians are like all
03:05:56.920accepting right and they'll they they love uh you know helping the people who are the most unlike
03:06:02.200them because they've been told that's the greatest way for them to show um how good they are but you
03:06:08.420know the people who are trying to understand christianity in a much more like traditional
03:06:13.780conservative way that they typically adopt a very aggressive like in-group out-group which is good
03:06:21.760in some respects but bad and been in others because then you know they're they're isolating
03:06:25.760the uh the pagans and but you know so i you know i say i'm like culturally christian
03:06:31.680spiritual perennialist right um you know maybe maybe i i probably like
03:06:36.640it was about paganism and mottonism and stuff like that but um anyway so suffice it to say is
03:06:45.160like uh you know i my content is about trying to describe the transcendent elements of things
03:06:51.740in a way that's accessible to everyone, right?
03:06:55.120And then people can kind of execute that
03:06:58.280kind of in their own way, in their own lives.
03:07:12.380some of the best stuff on that platform.
03:07:17.740Like, to put where I'm almost grumpy at you, that you're making Twitter valuable and, like, giving people reasons to check onto Twitter and start doom-scrolling in.
03:07:31.040But I will include links to your stuff, to your website, your Twitter, the little Switzerland NGO, those groups you mentioned.
03:07:46.640And is there anywhere else people should be looking for your software?
03:08:14.860For you kids at home, if you're listening to this podcast and you're like, how do I get this on my podcatcher or whatnot that's not populating, Substack does produce RSS feeds.
03:08:29.660It's like my podcast, the MetaCast, like any podcast on Substack does generate an RSS feed that you should be able to just plug right into your podcatcher app, just like copy and paste the link.
03:08:45.300Or if your podcatcher app does not allow RSS feeds, you should get another podcatcher app because that's like that's profoundly like hostile design that they're trying to gatekeep you from like other podcatcher.
03:08:59.660podcasts like but uh that should work on almost any podcast app worth its salt yeah yeah i know
03:09:07.700i couldn't agree more it hostile design is a very good way to put that um but yeah so i'm on x i'm
03:09:14.600on youtube sub stack and then i have my own website i'm going through revamping the website
03:09:21.700uh so it's it's it's a little kind of like under construction right now but um i'm hoping to have
03:09:28.720that up uh in in the coming months i mean the the imagery that you can create with mid-journey is
03:09:36.260pretty insane and i've been using it for a while now but it's really kind of turned a corner
03:09:41.760recently like they've they've done some really cool stuff where you can kind of keep a consistent
03:09:46.340style vibe and so i used to have like a little bit more kind of like um old ai generated art
03:09:53.240spiritual kind of like stuff and i think that that you know i'm ready for a rebrand on that
03:10:00.560so i'm going to be going through and changing a good amount of the the art there and and kind of
03:10:05.200reworking the layout because what i want is a website where people can go to that and they can
03:10:10.760just find all the information that they need it looks clean it's easy to follow and then if they
03:10:15.000want to you know uh break out to the different kind of social media spheres or or ideally where
03:10:20.700people are like you know finding x or substack or whatever then going to the website um but i i
03:10:26.740think that having a website's great just in case you know who knows maybe you get canceled you know
03:10:30.840maybe something happens um but also the flexibility of how you can design a website right the infinite
03:10:37.380flexibility of how you can design a website allows you to structure things in a way that makes sense
03:10:42.720and so like i have the journey and there's five steps in the journey and that's its own section
03:10:47.240but it's really hard to represent that on even Substack.
03:10:53.480X is really just like a constantly rolling discussion.
03:10:57.080I do have like a bunch of posts in my highlight section,
03:11:00.460but every once in a while I'll get my notifications.
03:11:04.180It's clear if somebody's going through my highlighted section
03:11:06.560and liking stuff, but yeah, it's very inefficient
03:11:11.140and not a lot of people kind of use those structuring mechanisms.
03:11:14.480And so I think, you know, having having a website's great.
03:11:19.140So if you are looking to to check out my content, I think by the time this goes live, the website will be a little bit more polished and easy to follow.
03:11:26.600And so but I always like to say and kind of made mention of this earlier on.
03:11:31.620It's like reach out to me like X is the best place.
03:11:35.120You know, just send me a DM or something like that.
03:11:39.080But if anyone is kind of interested by this conversation, they want to get involved.
03:11:42.760they want to do stuff um you want to just meet people or whatever you know hit me up um because
03:11:50.760i do like having those conversations especially even if you're like a small account like i said
03:11:54.880earlier like sometimes the small accounts are the best just because they're doing so much stuff in
03:11:59.440real life they don't have time to you know create podcasts write articles or do any of that kind of
03:12:04.580stuff and uh yeah we got a good group going i'd say again you know the purpose of what i'm trying
03:12:10.160to do is bring together people who are doing interesting things and so they can benefit from
03:12:15.140kind of knowing each other collaborating right um one of the the guys that we saw on our trip
03:12:21.120he's starting a church um and like a spiritual church and uh like immediately it's like all
03:12:28.840right sweet i know like two people who you definitely have to talk to who have already
03:12:33.040gone through this they know the legality they can they can give you some insight some some advice
03:12:37.400um you know and so it's stuff like that where it's like you know I'm not looking for
03:12:43.820value for myself right I'm like I see an opportunity to connect people who are working
03:12:48.940on similar stuff and then the idea right is that if I'm helping all these people around me like
03:12:55.140I'll like you know mask off what's my real intention it's well and I've said this many
03:13:00.240times before it's like I want to raise kids in a community where the people I'm raising those kids
03:13:06.580around like when they go over to the neighbors and hang out or you know play with their kids or
03:13:11.500whatever i don't have to worry about them being indoctrinated into some you know crazy uh genetic
03:13:17.140suicide cult or um have them like yeah just like fed horrible food or anything like that right like
03:13:26.620they're in fact it's the opposite i'm looking forward to being part of community where my kids
03:13:31.340go over and you know that family's like eating really good food or trying something or they're
03:13:37.040like you know they're doing woodworking or you know they have a beautiful backyard where they've
03:13:40.560got like a a garden or something like that and then you know the kid gets to get to see that
03:13:45.340and to learn about that right like having a community around me who's going to enhance
03:13:49.100my life you know my children's life hopefully you know and grandchildren all that kind of stuff and
03:13:53.840so um you know I think that for me when I see an opportunity to like build those connections
03:14:00.940between people and make them more successful right it's it's not like a zero-sum game right
03:14:06.820other people around you can be successful and the more you are around successful people like the
03:14:12.400better that's going to be for you right especially if you were you know played a part in bringing all
03:14:17.560those people together and so to me that's kind of the future i'm excited about is like as bad as
03:14:23.480everything is broadly the silver lining is this is a huge filter and there are a lot of really
03:14:31.600interesting quality people out there who you can meet who are interested in building something
03:14:37.040positive and sustainable and long-term and those people are alive right they're doing really cool
03:14:43.080stuff they're passionate they're interested um they've they've got a lot of really cool knowledge
03:14:48.600right and i don't know personally i really enjoy networking in this space because the people i meet
03:14:54.180are so fascinating and uh they're just a pleasure to be around and i don't know i think you're kind
03:15:00.540of missing out like this is our modern day call to adventure you know it's it's not conquering
03:15:05.380you know the stars yet it's not like you know we have uh you know untamed wilderness to go after
03:15:13.480Right. Our, you know, great pioneering endeavor is the rebuilding of social structures that you're really pioneering that space and what that looks like in the digital world.
03:15:24.380And I would encourage more people to become a part of that, because like anything, there's a huge first mover advantage.
03:15:31.740You know, the earlier you are to the space, the better. And, you know, you get the prime real estate.
03:15:37.980so uh you know don't wait around uh it's it's a lot easier than you think and there's a lot of
03:15:44.180people who are pretty uh pretty happy to chat and so i guess that's a good place for me to kind of
03:15:50.740leave shilling my content is like you know don't just consume my content like reach out
03:15:54.440like there's something more than just reading stuff online
03:15:57.140amazing and we will cut it off then you there you listeners out there stay glorious
03:16:07.880that was awesome dude thank you so much yeah my pleasure so how you doing