Anarchonomicon - Ep32 ＂Which Way Western Man？＂ Part 4 (Jesus II) w⧸ Brynhildr

00:00:00.000 They will chain you, like Prometheus, to a rock, where the memory of your own greatness

00:00:15.080 will gnaw you.

00:00:45.080 Aurelius des Pondeo

00:00:57.780 Spiritus of Domio

00:01:15.080 Patriota, gladiator

00:01:27.680 Afflictio, home and home

00:01:36.080 Divinitas Salutaras

00:01:47.520 Vetevas Limitas

00:02:06.080 and i will add a little note at the start that if you like tap out during this like long drive into

00:02:14.660 christian mysticism uh i do come back because simpson is going to be changing topics

00:02:23.960 variably that uh if you don't want to dedicate five hours to simpson's deep dive into the

00:02:29.960 biography of Jesus, come back and he will be talking about like Nietzsche and like eugenics

00:02:39.300 and the real question of the six million in World War II and all the rest in later chapters.

00:02:47.540 He's going to get as based as you can possibly imagine.

00:02:51.360 welcome back glorious listeners we are continuing uh we went way long uh recording

00:03:02.100 chapter three of um we have so many opinions of of uh which way western man uh uh mind you

00:03:15.020 Simpson's piece on chapter 3 on Jesus is like, don't tell bloody long compared to the rest of

00:03:22.040 his book. So he has opinions too. He has opinions too, which we're reading his book. We should have

00:03:28.000 expected as much. But no, without further ado, we will get back to Which Way Western Man, chapter 3,

00:03:37.860 jesus attribute and appraisal and reappraisal uh so again this is simpson from 1939 so about like

00:03:47.480 just under 40 years before he wrote which way western man this is how old this this guy is

00:03:54.840 uh so referring to jesus ought he not take a leaf from the reformers who followed a middle course

00:04:03.920 and counseled compromise and effected some immediate intangible amelioration in conditions?

00:04:10.100 Or might not the truth lie with the apostles of the sword? How far could he, Jesus, trust this

00:04:17.580 inner voice? It already had shown itself capable of being severe. Was there nothing that it might

00:04:25.040 ban him to do that he must not obey? Suppose it were to order him to jump from the top of the

00:04:32.860 temple, or to go naked like the birds? Was there no place where common sense could draw the line

00:04:39.500 and say, thus far but no farther? Must he be absolutely like a child before a father, like a

00:04:46.960 soldier under orders or a slave before a master? Now that this voice had come to him, was the whole

00:04:52.860 law of his life summed up in obedience to it? After all, what was it? Where did it come from?

00:04:59.080 what was it life in it did life and all that really was life for him or for any other man

00:05:06.280 draw near and touch him most nearly and nakedly and try through him to reach the heart of hearts

00:05:12.680 of other men was it possible that after all it was as the priest had told him only his own fears

00:05:18.420 and self-seeking in disguise a device by which to escape from grappling with assorted evils about

00:05:24.260 him a means by differing with the crowd with constituted authority of drawing attention to

00:05:30.220 himself and of lifting himself out of the ordinariness that really belonged to him

00:05:35.020 into a position of leadership of a kind was it something of love or something to love or to hate

00:05:42.140 to throw herself at the feet of or to trample down where was the truth how could he be sure

00:05:48.460 this inner voice this inner sense of necessity the stern hand that he could not move from

00:05:54.920 from off his shoulder how should he test it how couldn't he could not see it with his eyes

00:06:01.440 or hear it with his ears or touch it with his hands nor could he prove it with his reason

00:06:06.280 and yet somehow it seemed to him more real than all he could convince himself of with his senses

00:06:12.380 or find rational proof of yes incredible as it may seem nearer than nearer even than his own

00:06:21.460 mother and dearer and even more incredible his obligation to to it deeper than his obligation

00:06:27.180 to her it would break her heart every step of this terrible voice pointed out to him so remorselessly

00:06:33.640 would have to be taken on her broken hopes and dreams for him.

00:06:40.660 It would set his whole family against him,

00:06:43.340 his very foes and his worst foes,

00:06:45.980 would be they of his own household.

00:06:49.200 Was he going mad?

00:06:50.940 Who was he anyway?

00:06:52.700 What did he conceive himself to be to imagine for a moment

00:06:55.540 that he might have been singled out for such a life

00:06:58.880 as sometimes loomed forth out of his imagination?

00:07:03.640 as he let himself gaze down the years.

00:07:07.440 After all, was he not the mere son of a village carpenter,

00:07:10.420 without even the training of a village rabbi?

00:07:13.280 Would he not do better to settle down in the practical life of a man like his father

00:07:18.020 or become a teacher, or in any case live a life that could have some meaning

00:07:22.660 for the kind of people he had grown up among,

00:07:25.180 rather than take a course that would leave far behind everyone

00:07:28.620 and turn against him the very priests he had grown up to revere?

00:07:32.000 it may be in the end after nothing all in pursuit of a mirage so his mind and soul went round and

00:07:40.120 round the torturing wall of doubts and questions that hemmed him in drew back and forth across the

00:07:45.840 circle from one poison spear point to another until his brain swam and his agonized spirit

00:07:52.040 fainted but still he would not give in not by peace by surrender to any half god

00:07:57.800 until at last that happened which always happened if only one is strong enough to hold oneself

00:08:04.920 together while the battle rages if only one can make of oneself very self and that on which the

00:08:11.420 contending forces within the fight within fight it out to finish there descended a sudden stillness

00:08:18.360 and in that stillness one sees that the answer is that there is no answer jesus suddenly realized

00:08:24.960 that there is no way to prove that he would not be making a mistake he is sure because he is sure

00:08:31.000 and there's no more to it to undertake to test the voice would be to doubt it and ultimately

00:08:36.420 to lose it one's obedience to it must be out of one's unsupported instinctive recognition of its

00:08:43.620 supreme reality and authority one's obedience to it must remain a sheer venture of fate

00:08:49.240 a gamble perhaps to the very end yet only and yet the only and final proof that one is really ready

00:08:57.980 to live in the world out of which that voice came and so at the outset the battle is won

00:09:04.400 and jesus commits himself to go whithersoever the voice tells him to go and on the whole he

00:09:11.280 is followed by the most impressive steadiness and certainty he does indeed speak with the

00:09:16.740 with authority and not like the professional preachers and yet there must have been moments

00:09:22.960 when doubt again clutched his heart so that the so-called temptation may be taken as a symbol

00:09:29.380 or as a sample of a kind of struggle that more than once sprang upon his arm to the teeth and

00:09:36.140 fought to bring him down and apparently a measure of doubt shadowed him to the end

00:09:41.380 Gethsemane was perhaps the last hour of it,

00:09:43.760 unless indeed it was when he cried out,

00:09:46.600 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

00:09:51.060 And did he not have reason to thus cry?

00:09:54.140 For had he not staked everything on a faith

00:09:56.440 that the voice that spoke to him was the voice of God,

00:09:59.480 and that the thing which in the long run would count the most,

00:10:04.380 even for the good of mankind,

00:10:06.180 was for him simply to let his God do with him what he would?

00:10:08.900 and what had it all come to for the sake of his god he had broken his mother's heart

00:10:13.580 and sacrificed his friends alienated his followers and become an outlaw and now was

00:10:19.420 dying the death of a criminal what he what had he accomplished there's no book to survive him

00:10:25.640 and keep his teachings alive after he was gone and nothing was organized there wasn't even one

00:10:30.800 man standing by him as he hung there dying on the cross did did he not have reason to cry

00:10:37.060 my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? This, whatever else it be, is at least real.

00:10:45.620 He had to find out who he was and what he was and what he was to do and to get strength to

00:10:51.960 hold his course in exactly the same sort of way as you or I or any other man.

00:10:57.320 He started with no handicap, certainly with none in his favor, although if he was illegitimate,

00:11:05.400 he had to struggle with one against him. But what kind of man is it that we see behind all this

00:11:11.620 struggle? As compared with the rather feminine character attributed to the Christ, and which

00:11:17.880 we see depicted fairly well in the Gospel of John, what is this character of Jesus as we see

00:11:23.720 in Matthew, Mark, and Luke? Here Jesus is not sinless and perfect, though indeed those words

00:11:30.800 hardly seemed to apply to anything alive but only to some machined abstraction of the mind

00:11:36.760 perhaps it was something of the sort that jesus felt when he replied to the man who

00:11:41.480 faced a question with the words good master i feel the impatience that make jesus almost

00:11:48.040 cut the man short to exclaim why do you call me good none is good save one even god

00:11:54.600 and if jesus had not answered him thus i should have no use for him for it is absolutely essential

00:12:01.740 to all really spiritual life to all life that means quality that our reach should exceed our

00:12:07.760 grasp so long as there is any aspiration in us we must always feel that we fall short

00:12:13.080 we are always left at last feeling that we are to use another of jesus's phrases

00:12:17.980 unprofitable servants. We never paint the picture as we have seen it, or sing the song as we have

00:12:25.160 heard it, or do the thing quite as it was commanded us. We are always left, therefore,

00:12:31.980 dissatisfied with ourselves, still reaching. If we are measured by our own standards,

00:12:36.780 and it is the only way anyone should be measured, we never feel virtuous. We never want to hear

00:12:43.560 anyone refer to us as good for in our hearts we know better than anyone else can know that we are

00:12:49.520 not good and we should shrink from ourselves in horror if we ever came to a place where we did

00:12:55.320 think ourselves good for it is the very mark of spiritual deadness blessed are they that hunger

00:13:01.680 and thirst but dead of but dead is everyone who has become content i'm as high as we may there's

00:13:10.340 no place where we dare pitch our tents and cry. Now we have climbed high enough. Let us settle

00:13:15.620 down here. Once we cease to reach, we start to die. Forwards or backwards, we can never stand

00:13:21.440 still. And as the growth of a tree, life pushes forward in us or it ebbs. We can hold the gains

00:13:28.140 we have made only by increasing it. Beware, therefore, lest for one moment you think yourself

00:13:33.780 good for. To be good only is to be a god or else, a Pharisee. In any case, it is evident enough that

00:13:42.840 Jesus did not live up to his own standards. He had taught one thing and he did another. He had said

00:13:48.380 never be angry, resist not evil, condemn no man, love your enemies. But when he drove the money

00:13:54.640 changers out of the temple, Mark 11, 15, 16, and flayed the Pharisees, match 25, his only presence

00:14:02.560 must have been been like a scourge of fire i like it the picture of all this crew of proud and

00:14:10.280 powerful men quailing before the lone figure with soul of flame and eyes like lightning

00:14:15.740 it was a violation of his teaching it is magnificent maybe i value more than i would

00:14:21.760 any record of consistency for it is evidence that he was alive that he was real that he was human

00:14:28.720 And this, after all the fiction that he has been woven around Jesus, is very important.

00:14:34.980 Yet, that it was a violation of his own standards for himself, there seems no doubt.

00:14:41.460 And by all the ordinary standards of any age or land, can there be any question but that Jesus was a wicked man?

00:14:49.220 Ask the Pharisees, who were good men, had he not left his parents, Mark 3, 31, 35?

00:14:57.800 and been responsible for other men's leaving even their wives and children mark 10 29 had he not

00:15:03.880 become a penniless vagrant luke 10 1 to 8 22 35 taking his a living from the people without doing

00:15:13.760 any work in return but only stirring them up discontent but only stirring them up to discontent

00:15:20.540 with in rebelling against constituted authority, Luke 1948, 23, 5.

00:15:27.360 Had he not protected the woman taken in adultery

00:15:30.940 and so turned the edge of God's moral law,

00:15:33.960 had he not declared that the Sabbath was made for man

00:15:36.960 and not man for the Sabbath, Mark 2, 27,

00:15:39.980 and the parallels in other gospels,

00:15:42.220 and so made man more important than the ordinances of God,

00:15:46.440 had he not set himself up against Solomon and above the temple

00:15:49.200 and even gone so far as to say, Moses and the prophets taught you an eye for an eye

00:15:54.180 and many other things, but I teach you the direct opposite.

00:15:58.420 Matt 5, 21, 22, 27, 28, and continuing in 22, 33, 34, 38, 39, 43, 44.

00:16:11.360 This man, they felt, was the very incarnation of wickedness.

00:16:16.760 He was cutting the very ground out from under all morality and all law and order

00:16:23.680 and was settling up and was setting up a blatant egotism

00:16:30.200 in place of obedience to and dependence upon God.

00:16:34.020 He must somehow be eliminated or all was lost.

00:16:37.780 Then the Pharisees went out and took counsel how they might destroy him.

00:16:42.400 And how about this conception of Jesus as all love, love all over, was he so tender?

00:16:56.260 Yes, he could be tender.

00:16:58.980 Not a sparrow falleth on the ground, Matt 10.29, and when he saw the multitudes, he

00:17:05.000 was moved with compassion on them because they fainted and were scattered abroad as

00:17:09.560 sheep have no servant.

00:17:11.160 Matt 9.36

00:17:13.020 And, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them, which are sent unto thee,

00:17:22.840 how oft would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and ye would not.

00:17:30.660 Matt 23.37

00:17:32.080 And yet, I truly know not whether to think Jesus is more tender or more terrible.

00:17:38.680 With Jesus, there was no middle ground.

00:17:41.160 You cannot be lukewarm or indifferent.

00:17:43.980 You loved him or you hated him.

00:17:46.000 You must go with him or wish that he were dead, or maybe try to kill him.

00:17:50.840 Today, it means absolutely nothing to be a follower of Jesus.

00:17:54.420 The so-called Christian life and the church that is looked upon as at least the advanced guard of the kingdom of God

00:18:02.020 are conceived as fitting very comfortably into the life of the world.

00:18:06.080 It is taken as a matter, of course,

00:18:07.740 a man can be one of Jesus' kind

00:18:10.560 and yet be a soldier or a banker

00:18:12.540 or win success or be popular

00:18:14.840 in social and political circles.

00:18:17.300 But with Jesus, it was not so.

00:18:19.580 He and the world were in head-on collision.

00:18:22.480 The world must be changed radically, drastically.

00:18:25.780 And he meant to precipitate the issue.

00:18:28.720 I am come to bring down fire on the earth

00:18:30.960 and how I wish it were kindled already.

00:18:33.100 Do you think I have come to bring peace on earth?

00:18:36.460 No, not peace rather, I tell you, but discord.

00:18:41.740 For from now on, if there are five people in a house,

00:18:45.980 they will be divided three against two and two against three.

00:18:49.920 Luke 12, 49-52

00:18:52.180 And the most terrible words about family relations that have ever passed the lips of man

00:18:58.380 came from the mouth of Jesus.

00:19:00.540 He deliberately and definitively repudiated physical kinship as a basis for fellowship.

00:19:07.680 Not she should be his mother who had born him, nor they his brothers and sisters with whom he had grown up,

00:19:14.460 but rather they who had the eyes and the ears and the strength to enter into living the world that he lived in.

00:19:20.840 In where they mark 3.33-35, a woman stands up in the crowd in appreciation of him and his mother to cry.

00:19:29.740 Blessed is the womb that bear thee, and the paps that gave thee suck.

00:19:37.960 But he almost stops her to reply with such screaming heartlessness.

00:19:43.360 Yea, rather are blessed they that hear the word of God and keep it.

00:19:52.240 Physical kinship is nothing.

00:19:54.940 Spiritual unity, everything.

00:19:56.700 with these sayings he cut himself off from his family completely and permanently

00:20:02.260 the breach was never healed mary was not at the cross the tender scene in which jesus entrusts

00:20:09.160 his mother to one of his disciples is to be found only in john it did not take place every bit of

00:20:16.580 evidence in the synoptic points the other way and he was not just as severe about family loyalties

00:20:24.840 and he was just as severe about family loyalties.

00:20:28.420 A man's foe shall be they of his own household,

00:20:31.840 his worst foes,

00:20:33.460 because the tenderness of his relations with them

00:20:36.020 makes them the last ones into whose hearts

00:20:38.960 he can press the sword of his integrity.

00:20:41.780 He can stand any other suffering better than

00:20:44.480 that of giving suffering to them.

00:20:47.720 Yet the affliction of such suffering

00:20:49.660 is almost inevitable and unavoidable

00:20:51.840 whenever a young person undertakes

00:20:53.720 to set free the God in him.

00:20:56.800 For parents have hopes and dreams of conventional success.

00:21:00.500 They make claims of filial obligation,

00:21:03.260 and when a man attempts to free himself

00:21:05.020 from all bonds that would hold him,

00:21:07.180 that he may be bound only to his God,

00:21:09.760 his mother will fasten her arms about his neck

00:21:12.140 and plead with him,

00:21:13.420 and often the rest of his family will do likewise.

00:21:16.740 And they put around him what binds more than their arms,

00:21:20.360 as with hoops of steel.

00:21:22.220 And usually the man is not able to extricate himself from these toils, or to resist the appeal to his feelings.

00:21:29.780 The spare pain he compromises.

00:21:32.020 He consents to follow the voice only insofar as he can do so without causing pain, without causing too much pain.

00:21:38.980 But hear the remorselessness of Jesus.

00:21:41.940 If any man comes unto me and does not hate his father and his mother and his wife and his children, he cannot be my disciple.

00:21:51.240 Luke 14.26

00:21:52.600 Not, of course, that he wishes any increase of hate in the world.

00:21:56.980 His judge not, love your enemies, forgive all men always, is evidence of that.

00:22:02.860 But no man can serve two masters.

00:22:06.500 Love of one's family and love of one's life cannot be equal.

00:22:10.020 One must give way to the other.

00:22:11.980 For trueness to one's innermost being, one must be willing to leave everything.

00:22:17.000 Jesus' hard sayings were, in a very real sense, a sword, see Matt 10.34,

00:22:23.780 with which he undertook to cut men loose from all the ties that bound them fast to falseness and to death.

00:22:31.460 In effect, he said, if you rise up in obedience to the voice in you and start to strip yourself light,

00:22:37.560 that you may be free to climb high and your loved ones draw near and lay entreating hands upon you to hold you.

00:22:44.840 then as gently and patiently and understandably as you can pry the fingers back but if again and

00:22:53.060 again you loosen their hold only to have them fasten upon you more desperately then cut them

00:22:58.520 off let nothing hold you he was of equally severe in his demands in regards to material things

00:23:06.100 whosoever he be of you if he does not part with all that he hath he cannot be my disciple

00:23:14.360 Luke 14.33

00:23:15.660 He himself was a penniless, propertyless vagrant.

00:23:20.800 The foxes had holes and the birds had nests, but he had no place of his own to lay his head.

00:23:28.820 Matt 8.20

00:23:31.000 He spent his time and himself going from place to place, hunting for people who had eyes to see and ears to hear,

00:23:38.880 and he ate and slept in the homes that were open to him, or he slept in the fields.

00:23:43.760 Luke 10, 1-8, Matthew 10, 5-14

00:23:48.140 He was nothing, to be sure, a life for all.

00:23:53.340 Not a life intended for all, nor indeed for many.

00:23:57.260 And this needs to be made very clear and emphatic.

00:24:00.720 But all those in the inner circle had gone to the same length as Jesus himself.

00:24:06.240 It evolved a complete break with the world's way of living and of getting a living.

00:24:10.020 such a break was of itself not enough to gain a man a place in that inner circle

00:24:15.040 but there was no admission to it without such a break

00:24:18.420 may i interject and ask your opinion on something good where do you think that um christians get

00:24:31.760 the idea that christianity is a religion about like family values

00:24:37.720 uh so this is so this is like um this is where the medieval church in the early church are these

00:24:51.700 entirely different things because you gotta remember for about a thousand years in europe like

00:24:57.360 um almost no one could actually read the bibles like uh like uh depending on where you were they

00:25:06.040 might not even be translating to latin like they there might only be the greek and it was all

00:25:12.980 mediated between a priest and what a priest chose to read to you so um you think of the rituals of

00:25:22.880 christianity like a like gathering together as families uh in a church which is not actually

00:25:30.000 structured um woe to those who dwell on the earth who we head on head on will appear before this he

00:25:36.920 talks about how the um the actual structure of a church is not the structure of the churches that

00:25:42.460 jesus describes in the gospels it's structured after like the roman system where you have like

00:25:48.440 an altar at the front and a place where the priest speaks to a crowd like that's very different from

00:25:55.920 the early churches described in the bible um which are like more communal in a sense they're

00:26:03.080 very much like the last supper like it's a group gather around like passing bread and wine like not

00:26:10.420 standing in line to get bread and wine but like actually at a table with bread and wine uh

00:26:17.060 but uh the like uh the catholic church um depending on how you look at it is almost

00:26:25.580 a containment mechanism for christianity like uh like anyone who reads the gospels has to be

00:26:33.340 celibate like they can't have family they can't have direct continuity um

00:26:37.980 and and like anyone possessed of extraordinary faith like you become a monk or a nun or

00:26:46.440 around and and like it's almost like trying to breed out the christianity from the world because

00:26:55.140 the more christian you are the more the less likely you are to propagate this is where like uh right

00:26:59.980 uh catholic women statistically like and this is like very noticeable in the statistics are like

00:27:06.020 vastly more sexual than non-catholic women like uh like the catholics are

00:27:13.580 like if you look at the breeding uh selection effect of catholicism it's almost like trying

00:27:20.760 to kill off the possibility of like anyone having jesus's eyes to see and ears to hear

00:27:27.560 yeah the church is the antichrist yes but uh but then you get protestantism which is like

00:27:36.680 born out of german autism uh uh you know the germans had like the exact opposite selection

00:27:43.840 effect in their sacrifice rituals huh the catholics sacrifice you by making you a monk

00:27:48.820 and making you pray for 80 years the germans just burned you alive but they would they would burn

00:27:54.160 uh in the in the pagan era and then again with which burning is in like the 15th and 6

00:28:01.440 1500s and 1600s uh they would burn like slutty women or fervelous women or like manipulative

00:28:08.480 women you know witches and so and so they were actively selecting for like to earn autistic like

00:28:18.380 very rational logical people so as soon as like you can translate the bible into the vernacular

00:28:24.800 like uh you know it's the most german thing ever the most important german in history

00:28:29.300 was the guy who read the rule book and then wrote a bulleted point list on how people weren't

00:28:35.860 following the rules yeah um and this is where like uh protestantism is almost certainly like

00:28:42.320 certainly closer to the early church than uh than catholicism or like a lot of

00:28:50.260 like the orthodox traditions but is its own like weird autistic thing because like uh the reason

00:28:57.440 the protestant reformation happened like uh but it wasn't you know all these germans were like

00:29:04.720 so attached to a book they'd only just read you know it's because um like the german like racial

00:29:13.340 um spirit was rebelling against catholicism before the book and then they they read the

00:29:20.500 book looking for the contradictions because they wanted justification for like their profound

00:29:26.100 aversion to catholicism you know you have this you have the system that wants to turn all like

00:29:31.180 uh the autistic like valkyrie girls that germans like are selecting for into nuns

00:29:36.380 or all like the autistic like like craftsmen and like uh and like weirdos into monks and it's like

00:29:44.360 no the entire point of german being a german is to be an autistic weirdo you know it is to be like

00:29:50.460 yeah a very frigid stern woman whose heart is like melted once by like a guy with with a very

00:29:58.260 wild hair uh and that yeah this is me just says something about that i just read yesterday and

00:30:06.920 beyond good and evil he says it seems that catholicism is much more intimately related

00:30:12.100 to the latin races than all of christianity in general is to us northerners and unbelief

00:30:18.280 therefore means something altogether different in catholic and protestant countries among them

00:30:24.040 referring to the catholics it's a kind of rebellion against the spirit of the race while

00:30:29.240 among us it is rather a return to the spirit or rather the anti-spirit of the race we northerners

00:30:36.720 are undoubtedly descended from barbarian races which also shows in our talent for religion we

00:30:42.960 have little talent for it yes exactly i am like all the institutions and like formalities and

00:30:52.360 like structure of the catholic church even like how the catholic church relates to the government

00:30:57.540 which um is consistently not the separation of church and state you know i'm in ontario and the

00:31:06.780 catholic school board gets 10 billion dollars a year to run the school districts and like this

00:31:14.080 is true catholicism around the world the entire catholic church might get 500 to a trillion dollars

00:31:21.020 a year from like the world's governments to run various programs like a like it's like immigration

00:31:28.080 yeah the catholic church is as much a government program as like the u.s military about the same

00:31:35.380 size wow uh like yes it's a very worldly institution yeah like um this is where like

00:31:46.500 people talk about well i'm gonna become a trad calf because because of religion you know uh

00:31:53.020 well you know and it's like it's like you you're abandoning like oh like if you aren't of the

00:32:02.160 like latin races that are specifically selected for that you're like

00:32:06.100 really abandoning like a lot of your ethnic traditions unless you like um

00:32:13.280 i don't know so well it'd be much it'd be much more interesting for people

00:32:18.700 for like um northern european types to just rejoin like their pagan ancestry because that's

00:32:28.260 I think what people like in the Catholic Church, and even myself as, like, not Christian, like, there's something fun about going to Mass, because it's, there's, like, all the little steps and the rituals, and you kneel, and you recite things, and you sing a little prayer, and, like, everyone is in this very ritualistic mood there.

00:32:52.460 Like, there's a tone of irreverence in a Catholic Mass that you just don't get in a Protestant church gathering or sermon or whatever they're called.

00:33:01.800 Like, I think a lot of, you know, and you called Catholicism like a container in some ways.

00:33:08.660 And how did you say it?

00:33:11.240 Like, it's a containment system for Christians.

00:33:16.280 Yeah, containment system.

00:33:17.540 But it also, in a way, is a containment system for paganism, because they just sort of translate a lot of these pagan instincts and ritual behaviors into vaguely Christian terms, you know, like the saints and saint worship and the image-focused.

00:33:40.320 And that's even more true with, like, Orthodox Christianity, where there's, like, so many things to look at.

00:33:47.540 uh peter i don't know uh so the first the first person to like

00:33:54.680 to like hold the title like pontifex maximus over like uh all of rome all france like sections of

00:34:03.440 england um uh the unified like christendom um uh hispanian all that the first person to hold that

00:34:14.900 title who has like an order of nuns nuns and like all the institutions that we associate with like

00:34:23.220 the catholic church in like its latinate extent and stuff uh was julius caesar uh he held the

00:34:33.680 title pontifex maximus pontifex maximus is the title of head priest of rome which like the

00:34:41.020 roman's head during the republic yeah arguably this was before the this was before the church

00:34:46.940 was established though yeah but uh the institutions like all the catholic church institutions

00:34:52.680 are roman pagan institutions like uh none well even their holidays are paid

00:34:59.840 yeah exactly like christmas lines up with christmas um which doesn't actually i mean

00:35:07.540 this is like boring news by now but it doesn't actually line up with the birth of the christ

00:35:11.980 and easter is like literally the pagan name for the spring celebration of fertility yeah and is

00:35:21.740 you know reckoned by the moon the way they choose what day easter sunday falls on is like a moon

00:35:28.200 it's like a reckoning of the phases of the moon as they align with the sort of spring equinox and

00:35:35.020 yeah yeah it's all just the of like diana but like the germanic diana yeah yeah yeah and and

00:35:48.440 of course you have to imagine that when constantine decided to make christianity the

00:35:54.940 official religion of rome that you know there's definitely like a political motivation in doing so

00:36:02.560 yeah yeah no uh constantine

00:36:06.800 like uh constantine was he was the first christian emperor there's a lot of debate

00:36:14.360 when he became christian like it wasn't a deathbed conversion was it this was it that but uh

00:36:19.580 like he was very much like like his primary focus was being emperor like all the biographies and

00:36:27.160 stuff of him like that's the real focus and like it wouldn't be like another generation or two

00:36:34.280 before like there existed an emperor who actually felt like guilt and could actually be moved by a

00:36:41.160 priest you know Constantine was like making practical maneuvers largely uh and he's like

00:36:49.900 well if i do this i can get the christians to do do this this or i can like right well and as i'm

00:36:57.760 and it'd be as i mentioned last last episode i think i said something about like christianity

00:37:04.600 is good for the herd and it's like it is a containment mechanism for the herd as well

00:37:10.980 Like it's a very useful, I mean, all, all legislators and leaders use religion in some way to manage their people. And Christianity, like I said yesterday too, it's a, it's a religion that was designed for an empire.

00:37:29.720 It was designed to be a universal, like, rallying point and sort of organizing principle.

00:37:38.080 And so it's slotted in well.

00:37:41.200 Yeah, so like, the institution of the nun, right, is a direct continuation of the Roman

00:37:49.680 bestial virgins.

00:37:51.740 Like, it isn't, I challenge you to read a Bible and find any, like, equivalent to a

00:37:59.120 none in there well i mean yeah and that's where this question started is it's like it's so wild

00:38:05.080 to me that people can have such a really low personal threshold for intellectual

00:38:12.160 integrity and make all these claims about the like fundamental

00:38:16.720 beliefs i guess or like qualities of the christian faith that are institutional for sure in all the

00:38:26.660 ways you've outlined but are not based in their scripture unless it's the old testament and that's

00:38:34.520 why i have that concept that there's like these old testament christians who are larping as hebrews

00:38:40.800 and then there's new testament christians who like say that they follow jesus but do they do

00:38:48.420 they read what he said or like it's interesting to me that they get all these ideas in their mind

00:38:54.300 about what it means to be a christian that has just almost zero to do with what jesus was doing

00:39:01.580 yeah no it's like a dozen different traditions molded together um like anabaptism like the uh

00:39:13.140 the amish and stuff has way more to do with what peasants were doing like the 16th century then

00:39:19.780 And then, you know, reading that back into Christian texts than, like, you know, any organic, raw reading of the Bible and whatnot.

00:39:37.300 Like, the Anabaptists and stuff, like, they're generating, like, prophets and, like, these missionary priest figures.

00:39:45.380 That I know.

00:39:46.340 but uh they're like other interpretations they're like they like latch on and stuff but uh

00:39:56.380 it just seems sort of fundamental to protestantism to be a religion of the text though because like

00:40:02.380 you said that's where it started some autistic dude actually read the bible and then like did

00:40:07.740 the cliff notes and nailed it to a door and that that's kind of i get it i get being a catholic

00:40:16.680 and kind of just winging it you know but i think to be a protestant and to claim which most american

00:40:22.760 christians are and to claim that you know jesus is the god of the religion of family values is so

00:40:31.260 they may as well just be catholics because they're not reading the bible

00:40:34.860 which i think is really what no the point of protestantism is to like uh take your germanic

00:40:42.760 racial instincts and then justify it through a like a like hebrew christian lens and then like

00:40:55.540 uh really try to recreate your like germanic tribal instinct in that and like uh you know you

00:41:05.320 you read like uh the stories of like um of like the oh what was your name uh the the czech revolt

00:41:17.140 um anyway you read the stories of like the various protestant revolts and like various

00:41:24.440 peasant revolts and the uh and like the wagon forts and whatnot and it reads exactly like the

00:41:31.100 balks of ondurum like uh like the various wars of religion read very much so like uh like the

00:41:39.960 germanic wars of like early antiquity and it's like oh yes these crowds of like hundreds of

00:41:47.200 these groups of like thousands

00:41:50.080 all united

00:41:52.360 autistically and decided

00:41:54.100 upon like a course of action and a

00:41:56.160 spiritual commitment and then

00:41:58.320 waged this apocalyptic

00:42:00.440 war over it

00:42:01.620 like

00:42:03.660 that's exactly

00:42:06.480 what they're doing in like

00:42:07.880 the 3rd century BC and it's

00:42:10.120 exactly what they're doing in like

00:42:12.120 the 15th and 16th century or like

00:42:13.900 they're burning witches that doesn't appear

00:42:15.980 in the new testament at all yet you know there's like a slight textual justification and it's like

00:42:24.360 well why burn them uh well it's because the ancient germans burnt bird harlots and like uh

00:42:31.940 minifilative women and like uh all types of like chainfall female figures uh

00:42:38.580 uh in the pagan days and like this instinct is still buried back there

00:42:45.400 but uh let's continue with simpson and see what he's building to in this essay from 1939 okay

00:42:55.760 with jesus it was a matter of your all or nothing he never stooped to gain a hearing

00:43:05.540 or to hold a follower the tree that brought not forth not forth good furt was fit for nothing

00:43:12.780 but to be cut down. The man who could not or would not see or who could not or would not do

00:43:19.040 what he saw was useless from his point of view, an obstacle in his way. He who was not with him

00:43:27.920 was against him. I know not whether he's more merciful or more merciless. Contrast this way

00:43:37.100 Jesus behave. Like on the cross, one of the condemned men asked him to save him. And one

00:43:47.960 of them said, no, save yourself. We are unworthy. And he turned to the one who said, no, save

00:43:56.160 yourself. And that man was saved and said, you will be with me in my father's kingdom even today.

00:44:01.760 and the other man was damp think about that and think of like how much effort missionaries put

00:44:08.880 into teaching uh like african tribes not to rape the baby or like uh or how much effort like uh

00:44:16.880 priests and stuff will do to go and like try to persuade some like death row inmate who's like

00:44:24.380 murder family that no they should be a heckin decent human being

00:44:28.460 they like like jesus could like like judge and condemn a person like well yeah after like two

00:44:38.520 sentences well that's because there's been this whole intervening like uh quote-unquote

00:44:45.040 philosophical attempt to justify this really silly idea that like god is omniscient

00:44:54.160 and omnipotent and still created very sinful people who he then felt obliged to punish by

00:45:02.180 killing his own son so that he could pay back the debt that was incurred to the humans that he made

00:45:07.560 because they were acting the way he made them to act. That's all a really dumb argument. So they

00:45:11.840 come up with like, okay, but every human being is endowed with free will. And so in justification

00:45:18.620 of that belief which is just the band-aid over like their ridiculous idea that god could make

00:45:25.820 people that he hates they have to go and like convince everyone to of their free will choose

00:45:33.280 redemption all these uh philosophy 101 uh like like moral parables and stuff and uh like the

00:45:43.300 concept of free will um omniscience omnipotence omnibenevolence um i write like uh these are all

00:45:52.040 of course like you know 1500 a thousand 1500 years have been like in the christian tradition

00:45:58.120 forever but like i challenge you to find them find these concepts like in the text of the bible

00:46:04.260 like uh these are they're not in the text and they're especially not in the gospels beautiful

00:46:09.500 like european inventions by like augustine and aquinas and and all these like people who were

00:46:18.080 like not even racially attached to like the hebrew tradition who have like right never been to a

00:46:25.180 synagogue in their life uh and those things aren't in the bible because that's not what jesus came

00:46:31.620 to do by his own profession like he never said anything at all about dying for the sins of the

00:46:38.700 world like that was never what his stated intention was what his ministry was about what he was here

00:46:45.480 for like it was a non-issue at the time of his life so that's all even the idea that Jesus came

00:46:52.500 to die for people's sins was added on after his death by people that were not him so then all the

00:46:58.800 justifications of why he had to die for people's sins and how a good God could let such a thing

00:47:04.820 happen like all that's just like piled on yeah or like um there are a lot of things that like

00:47:13.600 in the synoptics jesus says that like kind of like can be read as hinting at the crucifixion

00:47:20.300 but if you read it closely like a lot of them are like references to like psalms or other things

00:47:25.300 like uh if you place yourself in in like uh the pre-crucifixion period and like you've only read

00:47:34.020 the new testament you're like what's gonna happen with this jesus fellow fellow you know what's the

00:47:38.940 choice like it's not at all obvious that's building up to uh him being crucified by romans like there

00:47:44.680 are referenced there are references to like crosses and like uh uh the lamb and whatnot but

00:47:52.500 like a lot of this is like like weird like parable language or like a stuff that's buried back in

00:47:59.620 psalms and others that uh that like you know you know if like dozens of different things

00:48:09.980 had happened to him you know you could find like other things that are were like in his parables

00:48:14.920 and it's like oh yeah he used the word like cross once huh weird but like uh you know the the sower

00:48:21.580 of grains he's actually like he was thrown a threshing machine you know this this is all

00:48:27.640 building up to the thrashing machine uh right that like he uses like this mysterious language

00:48:34.020 that like like it does fit very interestingly and dramatically with the crucifixion but it's like

00:48:39.440 not really obvious like going in that like unless you read john in which case he says explicitly

00:48:46.180 this is what's going to happen to me and then like right you know no one comments wait what's

00:48:50.480 going to happen can we can we unpack this big j uh we're very attached to you what are you saying

00:48:56.620 but even if in the synoptic gospels you can read a hint of a prophecy that he's going to be

00:49:04.260 crucified it is far from obvious that the purpose of that crucifixion is for the sins of the world

00:49:10.080 like you have to interpret that into the text with the benefit of knowing that that's the

00:49:16.740 you know the breed that's the article of faith that you already agree to believe in and then

00:49:23.060 you really have to read that into the gospels very intentionally it's it's by no means clearly

00:49:30.240 stated anywhere that that's how jesus thought of himself maybe in john again also like yeah i

00:49:38.400 remember that crucifixion is like basically the standard mode of execution so like um it's like

00:49:45.760 jesus talking about like oh you might face the cross or like take up your cross and carry it

00:49:51.500 with me and stuff like this um like it like that could be his equivalent of yeah if you're going

00:49:58.680 to come with me you might wind up facing the firing squad someday and it's like it's like uh

00:50:05.480 you wouldn't interpret that that someone's intention was to go to the firing squad

00:50:11.540 squad from that it's just like oh yeah this is like a very common risk you know which

00:50:17.360 uh i i'm that would be a very good exercise for our readers to um read the synoptic gospels and

00:50:26.520 like try to interpret how much you could justify uh like uh jesus in knowing or anticipating the

00:50:37.760 crucifixion and then what purpose that serves or is he just being like church himself or is he dying

00:50:43.080 for the world um it because yes john like completely adds a like the entire modern

00:50:52.300 interpretation to it whereas the other earlier texts like uh it's far more ambiguous

00:50:57.360 but uh continuing on

00:51:02.040 but was he not at least humble love and humility and perhaps the very core of the orthodox conception

00:51:12.060 of Jesus, a lamb in his arms and the face of a woman, soft, rounded, featured, doe-like eyes

00:51:17.960 with chirping lips, such a man would be utterly incapable of ever blazing. I do not forget that

00:51:25.060 Jesus is alleged to have said, blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Matt 5.5.

00:51:30.740 But maybe that Jesus never said these words. They're found only in one gospel. And in any case,

00:51:36.460 I do not know that the Greek word translated by our meek meant then what the word meek means to us,

00:51:45.060 or whether that Greek word in turn was an adequate rendering of the Aramaic word actually used by Jesus.

00:51:52.040 But certainly meek sounds far too much like weak to be my liking.

00:51:57.660 I have this entire thing about meekness that I will not get into here.

00:52:06.760 I'm meaning to write about it.

00:52:08.780 But I disagree with Simpson that that is not like the core of the Sermon on the Mount.

00:52:17.880 But anyway, continuing.

00:52:19.920 However, I know that Jesus is alleged to have said also,

00:52:23.440 the kings of the Gentiles exercise their lordship over them.

00:52:27.660 And they that exercise authority over them are called benefactors.

00:52:32.300 But ye shall not be so.

00:52:34.420 But he that is the greater among you, let him become as the younger.

00:52:38.700 And he that is chief as he that doth serve, for which is greater than he that sitteth at meet, or he that serveth.

00:52:48.060 But I am in the midst of you as he that serveth.

00:52:51.400 luke 22 25 to 27 uh mark 10 42 to 45 matthew 20 20 to 28 but this passage does not disturb me

00:53:03.400 after all it was not said to the world to everybody but to jesus's inner circle to guide

00:53:08.660 them in their own relation to one another among you it shall be so and so let it be noted well

00:53:15.040 that the passage has no bearing on a man's own estimation of himself, on his sense of his own

00:53:21.800 earth, but only on the position in relation to others. And these others were by no means everybody.

00:53:29.480 Jesus's remarks were addressed specifically to a small group of close friends and co-workers

00:53:33.800 in a common cause. It was a very, very important, in which it was very important that their unity

00:53:40.920 should not be broken by rivalry of first place. For first place, let each be so identified with

00:53:48.580 the cause that if he can count for the most there, he will gladly find his place at the bottom of the

00:53:54.660 group. But this, let me say it again, and with emphasis, is something very different from 24

00:54:01.120 hours a day humility. It was not a teaching for universal application. It did not mean that one

00:54:08.040 was to subordinate oneself to anyone and everyone it has reference to relations within the inner

00:54:14.740 circle among you there shall be no striving for position perhaps some of my readers will think

00:54:21.520 this interpretation hardly fair to the intention of the passage but if so if they'd be insisted

00:54:26.600 that jesus really was what is suggested to most people minds by the word humble i must confess my

00:54:32.900 total inability to fit it in such a conception with the predominating tone and direction of

00:54:41.360 his life as a whole. For what is humility? According to the New Standard Dictionary,

00:54:46.940 1930, humble means having or expressing a sense of inferiority, dependence, unworthiness,

00:54:53.480 or ill-desert as compared with others or with the standard of the divine law, meek,

00:54:58.480 submissive webster's new international dictionary 1930 adds a modest estimate of one's own worth

00:55:04.840 somehow this does not sound like jesus as with all those who are most alive his primary reference

00:55:11.280 is not to the opinions of the world about him but to the behest of the god within himself

00:55:16.080 to this last he ever sought to hold himself tender open listening without the least resistance

00:55:22.180 as submissive as a child to a father or a slave to a master before this he did indeed always

00:55:28.360 feel his unworthiness, for he always fell short. But what the world got was the hard edge of the

00:55:34.720 unsparing light of his obedience to this inner command. Thou art not yet humble enough for me,

00:55:40.980 humility hath the hardest skin. Said that in the Zietz, Nietzsche's Zarathustra, which spoke

00:55:49.740 unto him without voice. And when he had humbled himself sufficiently unto the God within himself,

00:55:56.980 than when he out to contradict Moses and the prophets,

00:56:00.900 Matt 5, 21-48,

00:56:03.280 and to overthrow the whole ethical and religious system of the Pharisees

00:56:07.680 and to supplant it with a teaching of his own.

00:56:09.980 And by what authority does he say and do these things?

00:56:14.160 The answer that is implicit in his very bearing is that,

00:56:17.600 Thus saith God to me.

00:56:19.760 He does not live secondhand.

00:56:21.620 He does not lean on the experience of other men.

00:56:24.760 He is sure not by anyone else's saying, but his own saying.

00:56:30.440 His God is the God of the living, and it is alive in him as ever he was in Moses or Isaiah,

00:56:37.940 and is more to be listened to in himself because there he is more sure of him,

00:56:43.420 and because there he speaks in closer reference to the situation actually before him.

00:56:48.420 If he had been less humble before his God, he would have qualified his assertions with an I think,

00:56:54.060 or have quoted some authority.

00:56:56.100 But it was when he was nothing before his God,

00:56:58.980 possessed by him, and became one with him,

00:57:01.060 that he cried, Thus saith God to me,

00:57:04.080 and declared himself the Son of Man,

00:57:06.380 Lord even of the Sabbath.

00:57:08.080 Mark 2.28

00:57:09.040 Was Jesus humble, or did he give any proofs of humility?

00:57:15.960 If he had been Antichrist, creeping Jesus,

00:57:19.120 he'd have done anything to please us,

00:57:22.640 gone sneaking into synagogues and not use the elders and priests like dogs, but humble as a

00:57:28.520 lamb or ass, obeyed himself to Caiaphas. God wants no man to humble himself. This is the trick of the

00:57:35.440 ancient elf. This is the race that Jesus ran, humble to God, haughty to man, pursing the rulers

00:57:42.700 before the people, even to the temple's highest steeple. And when he humbled himself to God,

00:57:49.880 then descended the cruel rod.

00:57:52.820 If thou humblest thyself, thou humblest me.

00:57:57.300 Thou also dwellest in eternity.

00:58:01.000 I want to say that Nietzsche,

00:58:04.560 I think that Simpson's interpretation of Jesus here is very charitable.

00:58:12.080 And Nietzsche has a less charitable interpretation than the Antichrist.

00:58:16.800 But there's one place in which he says like he's not sure that this is what Jesus was up to necessarily, but that there was like this rebellion that was conducted under the name of Jesus of Nazareth, whether or not it was Jesus heading it, Nietzsche's not sure.

00:58:35.060 But, like, he sees it as sort of a slave revolt, almost, where the Pharisees and the scribes and the, like, the priest class, the priest caste had a lot of power in Jewish culture at that point in history.

00:58:51.280 And, like, Nietzsche describes Jesus as a priest who has become so priestly that he can't handle priests anymore.

00:58:59.940 Like, he's so ultimately priestly that even the concept of caste is very upsetting to him, so he can't deal with a social hierarchy or any sort of social order in which there are people with more authority over him or anybody else.

00:59:23.640 So that like Christianity is in this sense, a sort of Jewish revolt against a Jewish caste system. And yeah, so that would, I mean, that would track with Jesus not being very humble. Like he's, the way Nietzsche is interpreting him, he's literally pretty uppity. Like you don't get to tell me what to do.

00:59:49.700 Yes, I agree that Simpson is trying to read Nietzsche into Jesus, where I think Nietzsche's reading of Jesus is more pressing.

01:00:04.720 Mind you, again, there's another essay after this where Simpson tells his opinion on Jesus 40 years later, which will be the next part of the series.

01:00:14.220 We still have 10 pages to go in this chapter.

01:00:16.240 uh that poem by the way that i just read it was jesus humble or did he give any proof of humility

01:00:24.200 if he had been antichrist cheap creeping jesus he'd have gone

01:00:29.720 that he'd have done anything to please us uh that's william blake again from the everlasting

01:00:36.240 gospel that uh that simpson uh sir opened the chapter yes i didn't i had to check the footnote

01:00:45.500 to make sure that was the everlasting gospel again.

01:00:49.560 But back to Simpson.

01:00:51.980 I will now turn to the teaching of Jesus

01:00:53.920 to see whether we can come to the core of his understanding of life.

01:00:59.460 The heart of Jesus' teaching is contained in what he has to say about the kingdom of God.

01:01:05.880 These sayings were little understood by those who listened to him.

01:01:09.240 Perhaps they are no more understood today,

01:01:11.180 and perhaps understood least by those who set themselves up as professional expounders of their meaning.

01:01:18.360 The kingdom of God was all a matter of seeing.

01:01:21.180 It was all a matter of the way everything looked,

01:01:23.620 oneself, one's neighbors, and the whole world of creation.

01:01:27.220 When one looked out upon it through the eyes of one's own wholeness,

01:01:31.760 it was centered in what Jesus called my Father.

01:01:35.540 this was a radically different way of seeing from that of almost everybody in the world about him

01:01:42.960 the realms of meaning of value of belief of truth which had opened to him were as much

01:01:48.280 close to those who lacked it as is the glory of a sunrise to man born blind

01:01:53.100 that i shall go into this whole question at some length in chapters five six and seven

01:01:59.840 I will confine myself here to what is essential for the point I wish to make about the teachings

01:02:05.660 of Jesus. While I cannot accept the thesis of Buck's cosmic consciousness in its entirety,

01:02:12.720 I believe he was absolutely right and makes a contribution of great significance in declaring

01:02:17.840 that the cardinal fact in the experience of the great seers has been their possession of an

01:02:22.380 entirely different order of consciousness. It was an order or kind of consciousness that lifted them

01:02:28.100 is much above those who had only one, only the self-consciousness that today distinguishes the

01:02:33.280 human, as those with self-consciousness are above the simple consciousness of the animal.

01:02:38.420 Jesus had eyes and ears that most people lack. That was why he was always looking for those who

01:02:45.340 had eyes to see and ears to hear, that thus they might be able to enter the world he really lived

01:02:52.340 he had as it were inner eyes and ears that they lacked an added sensiveness a new faculty of

01:02:58.960 perception of six cents without this added sensiveness they were as inexorably shut out

01:03:04.740 from his outlook and experience as is it an animal from the thoughts purposes and aspirations of a

01:03:11.280 man they can make no more of it than a cow can make of a beethoven symphony or a dog of a sunset

01:03:18.220 eyes have they but they see not ears have they but but they hear not maybe they hear the same

01:03:25.760 sounds and see the same lines but neither sounds nor lines have meaning certainly not the meaning

01:03:31.120 that they have for a man with the added faculty it was urgent therefore that he find people who

01:03:37.080 could see and could hear without such understanding one can right in the midst of people be as alone

01:03:44.960 as a man cut off in the midst of a polar waste and feel one's isolation more desperately. Such

01:03:51.040 loneliness can drive a man mad as it did Nietzsche. Moreover, much press to be done that could be done

01:03:59.560 only by men who share the same vision and purpose. And so, in the passage of the Gospels, we watch

01:04:05.720 Jesus seeking out his own kind, trying to find those who had eyes for what he saw. But what was

01:04:11.700 he saw. What distinguishes his kind of consciousness? What distinguishes his kind

01:04:17.800 of consciousness is wholeness, the characteristic of the unusual self-consciousness, which the mark

01:04:23.060 of human is division. The ordinary man is divided from all the rest of the universe. He is able to

01:04:28.560 turn his eyes in on itself, self as animals for the most part cannot, and when he does so, seems

01:04:34.480 to perceive himself apart from every other person and every other thing. Between himself and all

01:04:40.220 the rest of creation there is an abyss. Even in his deepest and most intimate love, he never quite

01:04:45.560 becomes the other person. For sense of his soul is this unescapable aloneness in the midst of a

01:04:51.000 universe that defies one's utmost efforts to overcome its strange otherness, to become one

01:04:56.940 with it, has often had the effect of a nightmare. One remained afraid in it and felt one must

01:05:03.340 wall oneself in against it. Moreover, this kind of consciousness had driven most men

01:05:08.980 to look upon themselves as the thing of primary and supreme important each for himself and the

01:05:15.680 devil take to rest my mouth my back my family my land my business my name my influence this is what

01:05:23.220 each man cares about and seeks to get and to keep and to make safe and enjoy regardless of the

01:05:28.880 corresponding but conflicting concerns of the other man and this self-centeredness has doubtless done

01:05:34.140 more than anything else till we can destroy that solidarity upon which every human society must

01:05:39.300 depend not only for its survival but also for the realization of its highest cultural potentialities

01:05:45.080 again this is simpson's opinion in 39 we'll see if he keeps keeps it up but in the man

01:05:52.960 the self-centered is but the man the self-centered is divided not only from the world about him

01:05:59.120 but also within himself he is not able to have only one god for he has a hundred desires and

01:06:06.980 each one wants to go in a different direction each one is a potential rival of his god and

01:06:13.440 whatever that desire seeks seeks which represents the gathering core of his being and holds the

01:06:19.600 possibility of becoming his god it is resisted by a large number of his other desires the mutinous

01:06:26.160 forces in his nature that wish to go in a direction altogether different, and they may

01:06:31.460 sulk or pluck at his heel when he tries to run or fasten onto his arms just when he needs to draw

01:06:38.620 his sword, or all pitch into him at once like so many furies just when he is trying to compose

01:06:45.460 himself in a stillness deep enough to allow himself to hear his God. The result is that he

01:06:50.680 is not able to make sure what his God says to him, and he is overcome by all the terrors of a

01:06:56.720 little child lost in thick woods at night, where he fails to obey his God and is tortured with a

01:07:05.040 sense of violating his deepest being, with a sense of sin and guilt, and in consequence, he tends to

01:07:11.600 view himself as a bloody battleground, with his body fighting on one side and his aspiration on

01:07:17.280 the other. Thus he comes to fear and to despise his body, with its hunger for food and its need

01:07:22.840 for sex, and he resists it and calls it evil and tries to whip it into obedience to his spirit,

01:07:29.140 which he calls good. And this division in himself is reflected in and writes itself large all over

01:07:36.260 his view of the universe. The cleft in himself yawns apart in the conception of heaven and hell

01:07:43.920 and God and devil, and man finds himself the victim on a rack that in reality is framed

01:07:49.300 of his own misconceptions and drawn and quartered by powers of his own creating.

01:07:54.920 All his life he flees what he fears and seeks to embrace what he loves, but he never fully

01:08:00.980 escapes the one or overtakes the other.

01:08:03.860 All his days are full of strain, guilt, frustration, and disillusion.

01:08:07.740 There is no peace anywhere.

01:08:09.640 But the mark of cosmic consciousness, in contrast to self-consciousness,

01:08:13.720 the mark of this seer's and Jesus' order of consciousness is oneness, wholeness,

01:08:19.100 and with it peace, heightened capabilities, and joy.

01:08:23.940 Suddenly and unusually, after a long period of desperation,

01:08:27.980 struggle has left a man in a seemingly dark, blind impasse.

01:08:31.980 The new consciousness super-being, suddenly and in an instant,

01:08:36.020 the whole universe takes on a different aspect.

01:08:38.820 The old sense of division is gone.

01:08:40.820 The old exhausting struggle with one's God against one's God is no more.

01:08:45.180 There is no longer the least vestige of resistance.

01:08:48.320 One fears nothing.

01:08:49.320 One feels that nothing is in all the universe to be afraid of.

01:08:54.020 And at last there is only one will.

01:08:56.040 Call it your own will, the impulse that emanates from the very core of your being.

01:08:59.620 Or call it your God.

01:09:01.040 Perhaps the names make little or no difference.

01:09:04.760 He wills what you will.

01:09:06.700 You will what he wills.

01:09:08.240 There is now only one will. There is now only one life. I and my father are one. The last partition

01:09:16.500 has gone down. There is no longer a body and a soul glaring at each other across the abyss of

01:09:22.260 one's soul. Body and soul have known the great marriage. They are clasped in each other's arms.

01:09:28.900 Body is the soul made in manifest. Soul is the body's exhalation and exaltation. They are not

01:09:35.440 twain but one, a psychophysical unity, the same thing locked if looked at from different levels,

01:09:42.520 different aspects of what is really only one life. The man has become a living whole,

01:09:48.020 and the gaze served which he looked out upon the world about him, upon the people in it,

01:09:53.240 and all the starry universe is a gaze of his own wholeness. No more is it double as from seeing

01:10:00.480 with two eyes two different eyes but it becomes single alas single and crystal clear and wherever

01:10:07.880 he looks the universe is become as whole as he and he won with it no more does it seem to him

01:10:14.560 an alien a hostile monstrous monstrous thing a deadly corral in which he has been trapped

01:10:21.060 in which an invisible marsment picks off his victims each in his turn from whose deadly aim

01:10:27.240 none can escape the universe is a death trap from which none shall get out alive not one

01:10:32.100 suddenly it is as if he awoke from a nightmare and the universe instead of being a death trap

01:10:37.520 it has become a beautiful house which is most which a most loving father has made festive for

01:10:44.160 the return of his long lost son which the bridegroom has prepared for the homecoming

01:10:49.600 and his long loved long wooed bride it is a place one can be unafraid in relax and feel at home and

01:10:57.080 all sense of sin and guilt and scone and all fear and tension instead there is peace the peace which

01:11:03.320 in all soberness the world cannot give for it does not depend on anything the world has to offer

01:11:09.260 and which the world cannot take away for there is nothing the world can take take way that touches

01:11:14.740 the source of it instead there is a deep uncontainable joy and this makes all life look

01:11:21.220 different the foregoing paragraphs describe the essential features of what despite the current

01:11:27.980 taboo against not only the world but all all it presently stands for i should frankly call

01:11:34.640 a mystical experience to be sure it is a mystical experience of the highest order and of the most

01:11:41.680 extreme power to transform a human life and therefore much of it and therefore very much

01:11:48.120 of a rarity among men, but it differs only in degree, not in kind, from mystical experience

01:11:54.140 of the most ordinary sort. However, lest my acceptance of the word mislead any rear about

01:12:00.840 my attitude, I must advise him in advance that in my chapters on what I have called an added

01:12:05.960 faculty of perception, he'll see that I have examined all mystical experience from the calmness

01:12:11.600 to the highest with an extremely unsparing eye and critical mind uh so timpson is going to like

01:12:20.840 again this is where he is in 1939 uh and he's added this into less no he's going to

01:12:27.980 to be like really dig into what mystical experiences are in art and i'm very fascinated

01:12:37.680 to see what that's going to be uh here however let it suffice me to say that i do not claim that

01:12:43.840 the universe actually is the way the seer sees it or that the added sensitiveness that causes

01:12:48.900 his experience could ever reveal to him the distance to the sun the constitution of the atom

01:12:53.820 or how to grow garden bees for that a faculty of very of a very different sort is required

01:13:00.600 but i do believe and do claim nevertheless that this inner eye is of the utmost value and of

01:13:05.880 far-reaching significance. It may not add one iota to the store of our knowledge of the facts of the

01:13:12.100 material universe, but it does enable him who has it to look upon all such facts and everything else

01:13:17.320 from a new angle and from a new level. And from this angle and this level, one may see meaning

01:13:23.420 in them and relations between them and between all of them and oneself, which can make all the

01:13:28.340 difference between groping and sane, between wallowing hopelessly in a bog and dancing in a

01:13:33.180 dowel, and between despair and death on the one hand, and life, peace, and joy on the other.

01:13:39.120 From the point of view of living, the difference it makes is certainly, in certainty, in direction,

01:13:45.380 in content, and in quality, is no less than enormous. Perhaps to one who has never had such

01:13:50.700 an experience, I can convey some sense of how great a difference it can make, by describing it

01:13:55.360 an experience in quite another realm that I once had many years ago. In the pitch dark of night,

01:14:00.820 I lost my way amongst the thousand islands in the ten-mile-wide St. Lawrence River,

01:14:06.720 and was trying to find the island on which I was campy.

01:14:10.960 A storm had come up, and it was getting serious,

01:14:13.640 but the direction that I had had was when darkness overtook me

01:14:18.080 and which I had tried to maintain by the black of the shoreline against the sky.

01:14:23.100 I knew that the island should present itself lengthwise.

01:14:26.540 So as I rode, I peered and peered to the thick night,

01:14:29.220 but no shape bore the least resemblance to my island i was lost then suddenly somehow i realized

01:14:35.860 that i was facing not the side of my island as i had supposed but its end and in that instant is

01:14:42.640 is if the whole universe retched itself from its mooring in my consciousness

01:14:47.040 and on some great turntable ponderously whirled about until it locked itself fast in the position

01:14:55.140 at a right angle to where it had stood before the whole universe seemed to turn but as I clamped down

01:15:01.200 at my new place I knew where I was I had my bearing and in a few strokes I was home I have

01:15:09.280 to interject again to point out what we said already about how like deeply feminine this

01:15:16.220 orientation to life and soul and experiences like and it's so funny that that example

01:15:25.020 he gives of his own experience of that is like such a stereotypical female experience of being

01:15:32.160 like completely sure that you know which direction you're heading in and then suddenly realizing

01:15:38.900 like oh no I'm actually walking the entirely wrong direction of what I thought I was going and

01:15:45.540 everything he describes about um you know what the kingdom of heaven feels like too it's all

01:15:51.940 so it's like a feminine dream to just like come to a cozy house and be loved and cuddle and dance

01:16:01.460 in adele like i i really highly value what he's talking about in this mystical experience and

01:16:07.800 by the grace of my gods such experiences are very available to me but like it's a very girly way to

01:16:15.460 experience the divine and the divine within yourself as well men will spend spend years

01:16:25.160 on the mountaintop to get the experience of a woman looking at a map for right i mean really

01:16:31.660 and i think that's what's so interesting you know about the relationships between men and women is

01:16:36.820 like i do believe on some level that one of the reasons men want so much to have sex with women

01:16:42.780 is because there is this like physical transmission of this spiritual experience through a sexual

01:16:50.340 connection if you get the like conditions and the you know everything like plugged in the right way

01:16:56.720 like not just the genitals but like if all the other energetic um like zones of the body and

01:17:02.680 like dimensions of the being get plugged in like then men can feel this like mystical

01:17:09.380 transportation like transcendence or whatever through sex with women I think on one level

01:17:16.060 that's like one of the reasons that men crave it so pre-rationally like it's like such a fierce and

01:17:26.980 innocent desire that they have and I think it is for that like yeah just being able to feel

01:17:32.620 that feeling of being female like really surrendering to femininity and the experience of

01:17:39.620 the feminine yes it's a it's a weird thing if you like ever read the data on like transgenderism

01:17:47.800 that there's like two completely different sets of transgender where it's like men with

01:17:53.600 no testosterone whatsoever and at the other extreme you get like these these men with like

01:17:59.680 incredibly high testosterone who like become transgender and that they've like developed

01:18:06.100 like a psychos psychosexual like um like what they desire yeah exactly um like uh there's one

01:18:18.780 there is one i heard the story of this like one guy who actually like got in early on the

01:18:27.000 transgender stuff i think it like like uh advances career wildly which like it's insane you know

01:18:35.000 join the uni class to advance your career uh but uh like he was a former navy seal and have like

01:18:41.700 three kids and a wife and then it's and then like he he became transgender and like continued on

01:18:49.660 like uh his career i'm like military contracting or something but like uh but like uh the common

01:18:56.680 interpretation was just that he was a psychopath he's like you know had done absolutely everything

01:19:02.340 had done steroids and everything else to like get an edge over his enemy his entire life

01:19:08.160 and it was just like well this is another way to gain that edge whereas another whereas like uh

01:19:15.160 the other interpretation that it's like so like had come to identify with the object of his desire

01:19:22.020 like uh like uh this what you're talking about is exactly like uh this like

01:19:32.940 male attraction to these like it's like these profoundly female outlooks as like

01:19:40.940 interesting and bizarre

01:19:44.340 again

01:19:46.020 take drugs and spend years

01:19:49.920 on mountaintops to experience

01:19:51.540 what it's like for a woman to read a map

01:19:53.900 and then someone at her destination

01:19:56.160 anyway

01:19:56.680 yeah

01:19:58.560 it's tough to be a man

01:20:01.220 you have to work so hard

01:20:02.300 it's very nice to be a woman

01:20:03.820 being a man is hard

01:20:06.760 I wouldn't want to do it

01:20:11.740 But they don't get to stop.

01:20:14.760 Anyway, so...

01:20:19.620 Where was I?

01:20:21.240 Meaning and values, which are when spiritual being and direction

01:20:24.840 are just as real facts and just as important facts

01:20:31.000 as the distance to the moon or the structure of the atom.

01:20:35.420 Maybe they're far more important.

01:20:37.080 After all, a little historical perspective on ourselves

01:20:40.420 should remind us that many another age, which knew very little of what our science has revealed

01:20:46.440 to us, produce a culture besides which ours makes us look almost like barbarians. To show the actual

01:20:54.480 practical difference that such an experience may affect in a man's life, let me contrast it,

01:21:01.240 its outlook, with that of the ordinary man. Being with the man to whom it comes is suddenly

01:21:08.220 possess with a sense of his worth, his dignity, his divinity, the Lord God has spoken to him.

01:21:14.720 So calmly it has genuinely seemed. The Lord God has become one with him. The Lord God has

01:21:20.500 lifted him up and laid upon him a command and given him a work to do. Henceforth his labors,

01:21:27.640 he labors under a sense of necessity and destiny. And everything is live, every stone is, and every

01:21:33.560 stick and speck of dust and there is no death death is only a change that we do not understand

01:21:40.040 a change that is beyond our understanding but is nothing to be feared and there is a strange and

01:21:45.960 marvelous expansion of his sense of identity what he is is cannot be contained within his skin

01:21:52.580 what he is reaches out somehow to the uttermost limits of the universe he is one with it all

01:21:58.340 somehow it is he by the continents and the islands of the sea what he's he is reaches down out of

01:22:06.220 sight to where all run together in the ocean floor there's some strange underlying life uniting his

01:22:12.580 life with the life of all men indeed not only with the life of all men but with that of all

01:22:18.060 animals as well and with the grass and trees and flowers not least with the primordial mother

01:22:23.880 nature. It is not identity or equality or effacement of personality. As with the continents

01:22:31.220 and the isles of the sea, so with human life. They are separate, and some are higher than others,

01:22:37.820 and some are larger than others, yet they are necessary to one another, and at bottom they are

01:22:43.120 united. He who betrays himself betrays mankind. He who is most unalterably true to the highest

01:22:49.760 in himself serves no no less the highest life in all men one our every look and whisper sense it

01:22:58.800 sends out riskful ripples large and small to the ends of the universe no man liveth unto himself

01:23:05.960 and no man dieth unto himself no man can in all the length and breadth of the universe there is

01:23:11.940 nothing to be feared i sit and look out said walt whitman one of their real seers upon all the

01:23:18.380 sorrows of the world and upon all oppressions and shape and after giving samples of sorrows and

01:23:24.560 suffering and injustice justices at their worst he exclaims all these all the meaning meanness

01:23:31.020 and agony without end i sitting looking out upon him see here and i'm silent and in a song at

01:23:38.400 at sunset in one of its closing lines he reveals why in a face in the face of all this he could be

01:23:45.200 silent. For he says, I do not see one imperfection in the universe, and I do not see one cause or

01:23:51.560 resolve lamentable at last in the universe. Everything is all right. Everything is in its

01:23:58.440 place. The universe is beyond criticism. When one sees it from an elevation high enough, one's heart

01:24:03.860 only overflows upon it in love and blessing. Nietzsche saw his superman as a transfigurer

01:24:11.200 of existence, and his Zarathustra comes back with love to the narrowest and smallest thing.

01:24:17.980 He blesses all his experience and dies with a blessing on his legs. And yet again, he says that

01:24:24.240 for men of the highest elevation, the world is perfect. That is what the instinct of the most

01:24:30.000 intellectual says, the yesing instinct, imperfection, every kind of inferiority to us,

01:24:36.840 distance the pathos of distance even the chandala belongs to this perfection and jesus god also

01:24:45.100 seems to have been singularly free from moral judgment did jesus not say of him that he maketh

01:24:51.580 his son to rise on the evil and the good and send the rain on the just and the unjust is it

01:24:58.240 it is not that this acceptance and love and blessing of things as they are means necessarily

01:25:04.220 that we should do nothing about the oppression and injustice which to another eye that we have

01:25:09.080 seems so monstrous but what we do about it is itself is it is itself a part of the profession

01:25:16.780 that will succeed the perfection in which we sit and look out and it is strange how necessary dark

01:25:24.420 dark seems to be to light and the evil to good and strange how often in any case all the reforms

01:25:30.780 of statesmen seem only to leave the evil piled up in a different place with different names but with

01:25:36.980 the balance of good and evil little changed maybe the evil that we attribute to the world is only

01:25:43.300 the result of our effort to apply to the universe a human yardstick that has no reference to the

01:25:48.740 universe maybe the evil will yield if they will yield at all only to men coming to a different

01:25:54.520 way of seeing. Many men could come to see themselves somewhat as the seers do and could

01:26:00.080 thus see other men also in the universe and what their lot is so inscrutably cast. Then surely they

01:26:08.160 would make a difference of the world. But can the majority of men or even many men ever come to see

01:26:14.620 this? Is there progress or is progress a delusion? Does the whole mass move forward or do civilizations

01:26:21.340 rise and fall like the waves of the sea great minds and soul appearing in one age and vanishing

01:26:26.320 in the next leaving the heavy mass of the bottom mostly unmoved but all that that as is be all that

01:26:35.480 as it may be this order of consciousness which has distinguished the seer in all lands ages and

01:26:41.800 religions came to jesus it came first in the experience of illumination that struck him

01:26:46.980 at the time he went up to Jordan and cast his lot with John the Baptist.

01:26:51.820 Something John said to him precipitates the crisis that soon drove him into the wilderness.

01:26:57.140 For the most crucial struggle of his life, Mark 1, 9 to 11, with parallels in other gospels.

01:27:03.000 It came again, Mark 9, 2 to 9, to confirm and to strengthen the initial experience.

01:27:10.260 At the time of another crisis, when he was torn with the question of who he was and what was the strange...

01:27:16.980 ineluctable destiny that hung over him and what was the direction in which he must turn his

01:27:22.300 next turn his face can i ask you real quick what you think about the questions he posed like is

01:27:31.340 there progress or is progress a delusion does the whole mass move forward or do civilizations

01:27:36.380 rise and fall like the waves of the sea oh those would be their own podcasts and we're going to

01:27:43.940 Well, like those questions are going to come up again. Like we've got 17 more chapters. We're going to dive through them. Don't worry. We will have plenty.

01:27:56.380 I think I just, I want to just pin it, though, because I do think that the left is sort of has this concept that there is the possibility of progress. And I would say that the political right is the same. And I think that they have a different concept of what constitutes progress, but they still really have this faith that like, we're all going to make it together somehow. And I would, I feel personally like, no, there's no progress.

01:28:25.180 It's just life and death and life and death and life and death forever and ever.

01:28:30.620 Amen.

01:28:31.720 Well, I mean, like, to some extent, there is, like, progress or advancement.

01:28:38.000 You know, there's the Darwinian sense of it.

01:28:41.720 But it's like he says.

01:28:42.680 But it's like he says where you change some things, you just move the evil around.

01:28:47.400 You just, like, shuffle it around.

01:28:48.920 Like, sure, we get better at, like, I don't know, curing.

01:28:52.480 Oh, you mean, like, moral faking gay progress?

01:28:54.220 No, no.

01:28:54.880 like value i mean like does the value of mankind progress you know it's like yeah we can like

01:29:02.380 make like cure diseases but now we have all these ugly dysgenic people like covering the face of

01:29:08.440 the earth because nobody dies and like probably a lot of people should and it's like every

01:29:14.700 revolution whatever kill them well you can we don't though beautiful people and they'll

01:29:20.180 he'll have yeah but we don't do that was a real shame but we could advance to the point that we

01:29:27.380 do then we'd have that's i mean okay so i think you and i maybe disagree fundamentally here and

01:29:33.060 that's kind of why i wanted to bring it up it's a very like the crucial it's a it's a crux i i

01:29:40.600 uh it is faking gay as michael morcock is i do like his original book elric melbourne nippon

01:29:48.560 where he depicts like a um he depicts like this very high like incredibly advanced like very

01:29:57.340 beautiful gorgeous civilization and it's like completely alien and like morally monstrous to

01:30:03.720 us and like and like absolutely horrifying like uh basically like humans have transformed

01:30:12.860 themselves into dark elves or like their cruelty and stuff but it's like all these systems work

01:30:18.220 in tandem to create this incredibly advanced gorgeous civilization though like you read some

01:30:22.660 of the descriptions and you have like tears coming out your eyes and like yeah it sounds amazing

01:30:27.140 the music like the exposed uh the exposed like uh vocal chords of like slaves being played like

01:30:36.800 violins are like uh like the music is described so beautifully and the slave has tears and the

01:30:43.680 player has tears and the audience have tears but they're all crying for different reasons uh yeah

01:30:49.100 uh like like fundamentally i think that like any like a high like advanced abstract idea

01:30:57.060 like you can progress towards it it's just you're going to be serving like that idea and the logic

01:31:03.380 of that you're going to be serving like well i would like things to be nice you know yeah if you

01:31:08.680 want to see a civilization driven by niceness you know look at um you know look at the murder

01:31:13.980 by rena zuritska that guy was released like 50 times because it would be mean to to hold him

01:31:20.520 longer you know you want this i mean i think that's a fundamental difference right it's like

01:31:25.160 i don't know about the like tepid right but the like base right is really into the idea that like

01:31:32.440 we we need to be more cruel so we can have something that's more beautiful for the few

01:31:36.900 people that are capable of behaving well within the confines of that society or maybe it's just

01:31:42.700 for the like few privileged masters who managed to leverage control over the mass slave castes but

01:31:49.320 i still i still find myself falling on the side of disagreeing with even though like aesthetically

01:31:57.320 i far more agree with the base right but like my little heart really thinks that like nothing ever

01:32:03.400 actually gets better it's just like there are like he said there are um great minds and souls

01:32:10.420 nothing oh I am yeah somebody called me that and I didn't know what it meant until right now

01:32:17.060 so yeah you're right that's me I just think it's like every once in a while you get an amazing

01:32:21.720 person a beautiful person that every like Achilles Napoleon Julius Caesar Nietzsche Jesus maybe even

01:32:29.080 and everybody talks about him for centuries and centuries but like the millions and billions of

01:32:33.820 masses are just not that interesting and it all just sort of devolves into mediocre bleh

01:32:41.540 i i will send you the uh the ched jack uh female virgin you will appreciate it yes yes enlightening

01:32:52.460 moving on moving on and this experience is largely explained largely explains the primary

01:33:02.500 direction of jesus of life and the content of his basic teachings without an understanding

01:33:08.440 of this experience any adequate understanding of jesus is impossible on the other hand once this

01:33:14.100 is understood his whole course at once becomes explicable and to a large extent almost inevitable

01:33:20.320 one can be pretty sure beforehand that he what he must have caught there will be individual

01:33:27.900 differences of cast of tone of emphasis or it would be a stereotype or an abstraction but in

01:33:35.440 the large it will be consonant with the experience of the seers of all all lands and races seers

01:33:42.760 differ as oaks differ according to the climate in which they grew up up and the ground which they

01:33:49.180 grew on it. Yet, as has often been remarked, all mystics speak the same language. I'm not at all

01:33:58.100 sure if this is true, just interjecting. I find wild differences between the mystical experiences

01:34:06.260 of the Norse Germans or the Jews or the Japanese or the Chinese. I think a lot of people just

01:34:15.720 like really want to like mash the mystical tradition together when i don't think they really

01:34:22.900 are uh we will we'll accept simpson had his word at this point the impulse that spoke out of this

01:34:31.000 experience was jesus is god he called his god father this father was to be loved with a love

01:34:38.680 that left no love for anything else or to put the same thing in words less likely to cause

01:34:46.000 misunderstanding everyone and everything was to be loved through him that is as seen in the light

01:34:52.020 of this experience it was in relation to this father and not to the world that one was to be

01:34:57.780 like a little child mark 10 15 and parallels like a child in one's implicit trust and transparent

01:35:04.520 sincerity and utter simplicity. This was his authority, which he was so silent about,

01:35:11.180 which stands revealed in everything he said and did. And to this authority, he was like a soldier

01:35:16.340 under sealed orders, like a soldier who, before he knows where the other orders will require him to

01:35:23.180 go, has written in his blood that he will obey them, though they take him to his death. And all

01:35:29.840 Jesus' tired sayings were only his effort to state the outlook on life that was natural and

01:35:36.060 inevitable when one had reached a spiritual elevation like his, or so to stiffen the wills

01:35:42.100 of those who'd had something of his experience that they would see their purpose through to the

01:35:48.460 end and be able to cause the necessary pain with clear conscience. So I think that's a wonderful

01:35:56.080 summary just to interject and this is like a massive part of my reject rejection of like

01:36:02.900 all abrahamic religion is that like that like no you should become an adult you should not be a

01:36:10.240 child for life uh you should and like you know you read homer or ducydides or any like the

01:36:17.800 pre-socratics or any like the great warrior traditions of history you know the entirely

01:36:23.360 European hero

01:36:25.560 tradition is about being

01:36:27.640 an adult and making your own decisions.

01:36:29.920 And like, you know,

01:36:31.540 Diomedes or like Odysseus or

01:36:33.460 like watch the Greek heroes actually

01:36:35.460 fight against gods.

01:36:37.480 Like, Diomedes stabs

01:36:39.380 both

01:36:39.760 the goddess Aphrodite and the

01:36:43.480 god Ares with his

01:36:45.420 spirit portion. Dang.

01:36:47.280 Bold.

01:36:49.160 Yeah, and Odysseus... What about that part

01:36:51.640 in the iliad when athena punches aries in the throat and he falls over and is like a mile

01:36:58.980 long on the ground that's not really what you're saying but that was awesome yeah i have i i might

01:37:07.180 have you back to discuss the iliad at some point i have oh that would be amazing interpretations

01:37:12.480 of it and specifically i think gods are actually like two very distinct things in the iliad and

01:37:20.320 like are purposely conflated that, uh, I'd like to get your theory on at some point,

01:37:25.680 but, uh, we'll continue. Yeah. Yeah. This means that the great mass of the population,

01:37:32.840 Jesus is teaching that to the great mass of the population, Jesus is teaching does not apply.

01:37:38.760 It was never meant to apply. It is preposterous on the face of it to expect, say a policeman to

01:37:44.540 resist not evil, Matt 5.39, or a judge to judge not and condemn not, Matt 7.1-5, or a business man

01:37:52.340 to give to everyone that asketh, or to avoid lending to them of whom they had hoped to receive

01:37:59.820 again as much, Luke 6.30-34. Jesus's teachings were not meant for the world. For those who

01:38:08.720 intended to stay in the world and do things that the light the world requires, that is, for the

01:38:13.700 great mass it was dressed only to those who had begun to emerge from the masses inertness for

01:38:20.800 those who were spiritually alive or struggling to become alive in short for the few in jesus's

01:38:26.440 inner circle or the like only for them now people that sort people who have become aware of the

01:38:33.220 stern inner imperatives can grow or even remain alive only by obeying these imperatives thereafter

01:38:40.360 her to go with the crowd because the crowd wills or to shape your conduct to conformity to any

01:38:46.640 external code is to die you can have most act as if you felt the the way the moral rules call upon

01:38:54.240 you to act you can only put an iron hand on the back of your neck and put yourself through the

01:39:01.620 motions but unless your heart is in it your action will be stiffed and stilted artificial something

01:39:08.080 put on, something put on with motives and for a purpose. Your real whole self will not be in it.

01:39:15.500 Underneath the surface, you will be seeking to give the impression of a virtue in circles where

01:39:21.900 that kind of virtue count. And so to climb towards one of the front, and so to climb toward one of

01:39:28.660 the front seats of the church and to gain the advantage that a name for virtue brings.

01:39:33.720 But at bottom, it will be but an unacknowledged effort to satisfy your will to power,

01:39:39.260 a furtive, indirect, backstairs effort of a weak man who does not dare follow his heart,

01:39:44.840 and of a dishonest man.

01:39:47.200 For if you did follow your heart, and to do so had to break most of the Ten Commandments,

01:39:52.400 you would be more really alive, more alive spiritually, and more worthy of respect

01:39:58.120 than the man trying to sneak his way to virtue, to a mere name of virtue.

01:40:04.380 When all the while, actually, his life in consequence was a pose, a pretense, a lie,

01:40:09.580 and he drew every day more dead, more poisonous, a Pharisee, a hypocrite.

01:40:14.500 It was precisely this kind of effort that made the Pharisees.

01:40:18.260 No, to live by any kind of rule is possible.

01:40:21.960 Blake was dead right when he exclaimed that the end of his marriage of heaven and hell,

01:40:26.240 I tell you no virtue, i.e. no real virtue, no lividest, can exist without breaking these Ten Commandments.

01:40:33.200 Jesus was all virtue and acted from impulse, not from rules.

01:40:37.540 Every man must get the pattern of his conduct from within and from without,

01:40:41.740 from his own heart and from some approved code.

01:40:44.900 The only people who can get it from within are they who are able to know what it is to have a life of their own,

01:40:51.760 to accept their differences from other people, to bear the burden of their own integrity.

01:40:57.080 These at best, however, are but few. They are the creators and the potential creators.

01:41:04.180 The rest of the people are more or less like sheep. There must be government. He who cannot

01:41:10.320 command himself must be commanded. If order, form, direction cannot come from within,

01:41:16.380 they must be imposed from without the thought of anarchy is and chaos is intolerable

01:41:21.340 i will comment on this you're listening to the narconocon podcast but at another time uh back

01:41:29.140 to simpsons where a man has not found within himself what can govern him then by priests or

01:41:35.740 by government by instruction seduction or intimidation or by all these put together

01:41:40.440 he must be made to accept a moral code and to follow it most people seem to be of this class

01:41:46.440 they are people of the undifferentiated mass mind they are sheep and require shepherds they

01:41:52.460 are easier within themselves when they are not asked to decide but are told and expected to

01:41:57.420 pay in such obedience does them no injury because there is no stern and insistent imperative from

01:42:04.260 within to which social conformity would make them untrue such people cannot have what the free spirit

01:42:10.040 the creator and the potential creator would alone call life they have only their existence

01:42:15.360 and they drag it out their years may they be happy as possible the alive person

01:42:22.260 bless their little hearts the alive person however spontaneously from the overflow of the heart

01:42:31.520 the mass speak is when he speak it genuinely all else's lies and this was why jesus spent time with

01:42:38.440 Republicans and harlots, not at all out of pity because they were outcasts, but because they were

01:42:43.840 less starched and collared in virtue. They were more real, more honest. There was no pretense

01:42:50.500 about them. Their knees had not stiffened into poses, nor were they everlastingly striking

01:42:55.940 attitudes and thinking how fine they were. They were at least going somewhere, maybe in the wrong

01:43:01.960 direction, but at least going somewhere and doing it openly and strongly. They were nearer reality

01:43:07.820 than the virtuous ones who had gone

01:43:09.920 in the habit of living for appearances.

01:43:13.060 They were near the insatiable hunger and thirst

01:43:15.980 that must come before all great searches.

01:43:19.460 Then were those who thought they were good,

01:43:22.160 good enough, better at any rate than other men.

01:43:25.780 And they were not afraid to be different,

01:43:28.240 to break convention,

01:43:29.080 to bear upon the leveled finger

01:43:30.640 of self-righteous condemnation.

01:43:32.260 And above all, they still had impulses.

01:43:36.300 their hearts were able to leap and laugh and to love, and were not dried up springs like the

01:43:42.240 hearts of the Pharisees. The essence of Jesus' teachings, therefore, is in regard to that

01:43:47.380 different way of seeing that he called the kingdom of God, and life consisted not in striving to live

01:43:52.740 up to some rule of conduct, or in effecting changes in other men, or in social conditions,

01:43:59.520 but in undertaking to act strictly in accord with one's own way of seeing, even though it was flatly

01:44:06.040 contrary to all the codes, traditions, and practices of one's day. But this is different,

01:44:11.900 difficult, costly, and dangerous. It requires an ability to make sure of one's course and to hold

01:44:16.800 it, if necessary, in the face of the whole world. From resources one finds entirely within oneself,

01:44:23.480 the overwhelming majority of men simply do not desire such a thing. They cannot even conceive

01:44:29.220 it as desirable. And at the mere thought of being called upon to stand so utterly alone

01:44:35.340 and to be sure and strong without anyone to lean on or to quote for authority,

01:44:41.060 they are seas of panic.

01:44:42.860 In view of such considerations as we have just been presenting,

01:44:46.580 it surely ought to go without saying that Jesus' teaching is not for everyone.

01:44:51.940 It is ridiculous, on the face of it, to think of him as a man for the masses.

01:44:56.900 They never have understood him.

01:44:59.440 They do not in his own day.

01:45:01.100 They do not now.

01:45:02.840 They are inherently incapable of understanding such a man.

01:45:06.900 There is evidence enough that Jesus did not attempt to make them understood.

01:45:11.020 He was not trying to keep the sheep at his heel.

01:45:13.600 He was not trying to get them sower.

01:45:15.440 He was not trying to do anything with them.

01:45:18.140 He had no use for sheep.

01:45:20.000 To live the life that he found laid upon him to live,

01:45:23.380 he had to cut loose from all sheep and to unlearn sheep ways,

01:45:27.280 to get the sheep nature out of himself.

01:45:29.900 Insofar as he went to sheep at all, it was to find among them those who were not sheep.

01:45:36.300 There were those who were like young bull calves who knew not that they were different from the cows amongst which they had grown up,

01:45:45.520 who needed once to hear a real bull bellow and to feel the vibrations of that bellow in their very bones

01:45:51.680 before they could realize that they were not like the rest, not plastic cows, but themselves bulls, bulls at least in the making.

01:45:58.960 so that they from that hour they were different and lost to the ways of the herd that they had

01:46:05.360 grown up with when jesus went to the crowd it was always with this purpose he was combing the crowd

01:46:11.120 for his own kind his parables for choice bait there was a concealed hook behind it a big hook

01:46:18.000 for big fish minnows might nibble at it but there was never any danger that they would run away with

01:46:23.520 it could be only those he was looking for the big fish who could attempt to bolt the bait hole

01:46:30.220 and so get the hook fastened in their very guts as jesus spoke therefore he was ever watching for

01:46:37.700 the telltale signs of the catch as a fisherman watches as bob and his innermost teaching was

01:46:43.900 ever reserved for those few who by the light of their eyes had made it manifest that they had

01:46:49.700 some comprehension of what he was striving at this is i want to say just really quick that that's

01:46:56.200 so beautiful and i think that really accurately describes what nietzsche was doing too and it's

01:47:01.640 very interesting that nietzsche wrote himself as this itinerant prophet um in his thus spoke

01:47:08.600 zarathustra with all of these stylistic references to the bible because i think nietzsche was doing

01:47:14.460 the same thing like trying to go to the sheep not to herd shepherds i mean not to herd sheep or

01:47:21.380 become a shepherd but like to find little wolves that had like been separated from their pack and

01:47:28.160 been drinking sheep's milk to survive but were like very much not sheep and didn't have any idea

01:47:35.220 how to be something different until like a real wolf comes along and shows them that they're an

01:47:40.960 entirely different species than the herd that they've been raised in so nietzsche i think is

01:47:47.180 similar in that like the masses will never understand him and that's not what he wanted

01:47:52.340 anyways absolutely and and simpson is going to begin to nietzsche in like two chapters so he

01:48:02.720 he's going to be commenting on zarathutra very closely uh coming up uh this is implicit enough

01:48:10.520 in the whole course of the record but there's also explicit evidence in the same direction

01:48:15.080 did not jesus say give not that which is holy to the dogs neither cash your ye your pearls before

01:48:22.520 swine lest they trample them under feet and turn again and run you mad seven six and quite in

01:48:29.480 keeping with this warning i find also and seeing the multitude who were the crowd he went up to

01:48:35.720 mountain apart where the crowd was not and when he had sat down his disciples who were not the crowd

01:48:41.060 but the inner circle the few who came nearest to understanding what he was all about

01:48:45.040 came unto him and he opened his mouth and taught them and not the crowd saying

01:48:50.740 uh and then he cuts off mat five to one so that from gleaming just like these and from the sheer

01:48:59.500 impossibility that the masses could comprehend a man like jesus i've come to believe that in the

01:49:04.460 beginning, the whole teachings as we have it in the gospels was something reserved for the inner

01:49:09.700 few and that it was never intended to be given out to the world as it is now with the democratic

01:49:16.140 indiscriminateness of a radio broadcast. Originally, it was anything but a universal gospel,

01:49:23.320 anything but a message for all and sundry. Certainly it was not for the inferior and the

01:49:27.880 broken and those who suffered from their own botchness. Jesus' motive was not pity. He

01:49:34.300 did not stoop. He was looking for those who could see, those who could hear. Ability to see and hear

01:49:41.940 was the test for admission to that inner circle. The heart of the teaching was reserved for those

01:49:47.440 very few who had proven themselves possessed of the kind of seeing that belongs to the kingdom

01:49:53.620 of God and who were determined to live accordingly to the waves, according to that way of seeing,

01:50:00.360 even though it brought them into head-on collision with the whole world about them

01:50:05.480 uh william gaily simpson 1939 uh 1971 so so 30 years later and the later edition that i have

01:50:17.220 is 78 so so the very next chapter just preview um oh 1950 jesus rest respects so 10 years later

01:50:27.920 he returns to jesus with a developed opinion and then he's going to develop that further but yeah

01:50:35.860 uh yeah that was lovely i so am curious what nietzsche would think about that because nietzsche

01:50:44.660 did read jesus very not very well just very differently like i find myself agreeing with

01:50:52.040 most of the things that simpson said about jesus and about the gospels and it'd be like

01:50:56.640 so cool if we could have a podcast of Nietzsche and Simpson discussing that together that would

01:51:03.460 be something worth listening to yes I'm I have not read the entirety of Simpson I I know where

01:51:11.240 vaguely where he's going I have read like excerpts from like the latter half of the book

01:51:16.440 where he gets into like intense white nationalism and um and like uh like he was a very close friend

01:51:24.280 of william wither pierce you might know our listeners might know as a character from murdoch

01:51:30.600 murdoch but was a real guy who wrote the real turner diaries or the fictional turner diaries

01:51:36.100 uh uh so like simpson like um a lot of this is is like very hippie dippy in a way that has been

01:51:48.320 like i don't know kind of poisoned for us in the 20th 21st century like anything touching on like

01:51:55.780 this like mystical revelatory you know 20th century like like woo experience that like

01:52:03.080 what was as big in the 20th century as like fascism and communism like this is a huge tradition

01:52:09.900 running through like american they're dressed as like a spiritual revival like like a is it

01:52:17.480 is it sacrifice for others is it drugs is it like looking into yourself or whatnot there's a

01:52:24.280 consciousness raising dream um yeah but the masses ruin that it's like as soon as the way that

01:52:32.300 simpson has presented it here i think is very pure and high ranking like high ordered but it's

01:52:38.800 like always when retards get a hold of these ideas and then they just like they say the words

01:52:44.260 even though they don't know what the words mean and they seek these experiences by the most lazy

01:52:49.740 and vulgar means possible and then in so doing like completely degrade and discredit the the

01:52:58.560 original experience of the person like simpson or i mean that's what people do with jesus too

01:53:04.140 right it's like they're doing all this stuff in the name of jesus that has just nothing to do with

01:53:08.700 the heights of his experience just like being a bum and smoking a bunch of weed doesn't make you

01:53:15.900 like enlightened at all it just makes you hungry and stupid and the same thing happens with Nietzsche

01:53:23.940 like everybody has his name in their mouth and like so very few people actually understand

01:53:29.660 or have lived or even have the capacity to feel the feelings that Nietzsche articulated in his works

01:53:36.840 yes mind you i i'd argue a lot of like the 20th century mysticism it's like

01:53:44.980 okay sure like the actual like hippies in the mud at woodstock like like uh weren't

01:53:51.740 having a great spiritual vision and stuff but i'm like okay but who's the example of someone who like

01:53:57.780 was genuinely doing and was genuinely like those guys don't say they like very rarely say anything

01:54:05.600 about it like the real mystics are not branding themselves and marketing it like very rarely do

01:54:14.440 you and even jesus didn't brand himself or market himself like someone else did that after the fact

01:54:19.180 same with nietzsche right it's like so much of his work was actually made famous and accessible

01:54:24.720 by his sister like those types of dudes aren't trying to create content oh no i i i think there

01:54:34.320 is a lot of great men do pursue their own their own legends and uh their own uh their own fame

01:54:42.660 and whatnot uh sure but it's not like the masses shelves would not be crammed with memoirs if that

01:54:49.280 were not the case but but it's not for just like any old buddy you know they're all everyone is

01:54:57.380 like trying to reach out like I think I think that all great men of the caliber that Simpson

01:55:04.640 is sort of describing Jesus to be are really trying to find just their few equal great men

01:55:14.200 and like trying to like have a sympathetic experience with somebody who is actually

01:55:19.680 capable of knowing what they feel and that's just not most people like most people are not great

01:55:24.840 And even if you can tell them the words, they don't understand the feeling.

01:55:30.340 And the feeling is primary.

01:55:31.800 The words are just representations.

01:55:35.160 Exactly.

01:55:37.280 No, it's a very interesting take.

01:55:45.200 Again, I am considerably less sympathetic to Jesus.

01:55:49.860 But then I don't know what Simpson's going to say next.

01:55:52.500 I have not read it.

01:55:53.600 I had your reader.

01:55:54.840 uh i i just know that he's going to get very based in some of the later chapters and i think

01:56:00.980 he was very i know from his biography and everything else that he was very foundational

01:56:06.660 to uh to the american right and like to the on right line right like uh simpson is going to lay

01:56:15.040 out many of the arguments they're still being had on the online right but i don't know what

01:56:22.740 what is he going to develop i just know the start that you know dear readers uh the the uh journey

01:56:30.260 from like respiteering clergy to being a franciscan like like monk next to a dumpster to being

01:56:39.240 zarathustra on a mountain to this and i know that he's going to wind up being best friends with

01:56:45.740 william lucert pierce by the end of it so it's going to be interesting i feel so hopeful it's

01:56:52.120 like when you find a good show on TV and it's really good for two seasons and then it just

01:56:56.860 goes woke and gets awful. I really hope that doesn't happen. And I think from what you said

01:57:02.440 that it won't. And I feel optimistic that I'm really going to still like Simpson at the end

01:57:07.760 of this book. Yeah, it's going to be a journey. Well, again, this guy died in 1990.

01:57:16.560 uh you know he's like 40 now in 1939 is going to make it to 1990 and uh or like 37 or so in 1939

01:57:27.840 is going to make it to 1990 and he's going to have like

01:57:31.100 speed run the entire like western tradition in that time or like something approaching like our

01:57:40.900 modern uh right-wing conception of the 20th century and it's gonna be

01:57:47.320 he's already bonkers this is gonna be insane yeah i'm i'm so impressed i was reluctant and

01:57:56.160 reserved in the first chapter too but he's won me over and i'm really excited to see what

01:58:01.360 what happens no i am i i am excited this i i knew when i read the first chapter and the last chapter

01:58:11.940 there were like parts of the last chapter i haven't even read all of it that's like okay i need to i

01:58:17.380 need to i need to make my listeners follow this journey which if you followed this might be a

01:58:25.740 five-hour episode on uh on just simpson's mystical reading of jesus which uh considering most of our

01:58:35.060 considering most of our listeners are not christian themselves like uh that this will be

01:58:42.080 props to you dear listener if you've stuck around to the end yes it's gonna be a bit of a slog at

01:58:49.600 points but i think it's really interesting to engage with things long form like this and like

01:58:54.460 then be able to metabolize something of value into a smaller tweet or article or whatever as

01:59:02.040 you sort of interact with the online right-wing sphere it's like it's good to re to like reify

01:59:10.520 the original source from which you're drawing all your meme-y material yeah um well i mean

01:59:19.560 you need to have these like deep dives into like deep texts um like you need to go to this level

01:59:28.160 because otherwise like slowly everything you like you think and discuss and do becomes like the

01:59:34.360 tweet version of it and then becomes like yeah would be version of it and you become like

01:59:39.040 you know the idea slowly disappears and just the snideness remains right you know you have only

01:59:48.000 the words yeah exactly and they have the words and they have the images and the ideals and the

01:59:54.900 representations but there's nothing like living behind any of it and I mean I think that's the

02:00:00.260 leg ups that the right especially the like far right the based right really has in the culture

02:00:06.360 wars if we're engaging in them I don't know but like that we're talking about things that are

02:00:11.680 alive like that are real and that are true and that are felt and sensible and like everyone in

02:00:19.060 the tepid right everyone on whatever part of the left like they're all so fake and all they have

02:00:26.760 to do is reproduce images and representations and ideals like they're so untrue to themselves

02:00:34.480 and they're posturing and posing and it's empty and it like it definitely appeals to people who

02:00:40.060 are one-dimensional but like to win over the really true living like vibrant vital people

02:00:47.700 like you have to be offering something that's actually alive yes um that is it perks ought to

02:00:57.180 leave you listeners out there thank you for sticking around around this long uh i'll be most

02:01:03.180 episodes coming up uh on simpsons will not be this long uh and i i will add a little note at

02:01:11.120 the start that if you like tap out during this like long drive into christian mysticism uh

02:01:19.860 i do come back because simpson is going to be changing topics variably that uh if you don't

02:01:27.860 want to dedicate five hours to simpsons deep dive into the bio biography of jesus uh come back and

02:01:35.340 he will be talking about like um nietzsche and like eugenics and and uh the real question of

02:01:44.260 the six million in world war ii and all the rest uh in later chapters he's going to get

02:01:50.220 As based as you can possibly imagine.

02:01:53.980 You listeners out there, come back and stay glorious.

02:02:20.220 Thank you.

02:02:50.220 Thank you.

Anarchonomicon - August 02, 2026

Ep32 ＂Which Way Western Man？＂ Part 4 (Jesus II) w⧸ Brynhildr

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