Asatru Folk Assembly - 1⧸10⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 79 - Völuspá, Part 2

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00:04:30.000 hey guys welcome back to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:04:43.840 um as those of you watching on video noticed and those on uh listening on spotify may not have uh

00:04:53.840 we had a moment of silence at the beginning of the show to recognize the passing of a member

00:05:00.000 that, unfortunately, we found out a little bit later than we would have liked.

00:05:05.120 But in middle December, Christopher Chambliss passed far too young.

00:05:14.420 A lot of guys passing at a relatively young age, and it's sad to see.

00:05:20.940 But we want to acknowledge one of ours passes, and it's our job to remember and to think about these folks.

00:05:30.000 So, with that, hail Chris Chambliss, and I hope he is feasting and celebrating with his ancestors.

00:05:44.320 Last week, we started the first of Plan 3 episodes going through the Veloosvau.

00:05:54.480 i think swan did a great job of breaking that down for folks last time i really like these

00:06:06.340 shows and we appreciate feedback if you like these you like what we're doing or if you have

00:06:10.120 suggestions or whatnot seem very well received and i think they're really important to do

00:06:16.280 on top of the show we are as always live on a bunch of stuff uh live on twitter youtube

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00:06:59.400 see the instructions in the description of this video. They've got all the little fancy

00:07:05.920 bells and whistles that you can do on it. And yeah, I also want to just kind of start

00:07:13.060 the show. Thank you guys last week. Last week we raised, have to go back and look, but we

00:07:19.540 raised a few hundred dollars on paying off New York's off. And that's a big deal. That's

00:07:26.180 to get us phrase off faster it makes a really big impact and i really appreciate everybody's generosity

00:07:36.580 uh coming up suppose it's not too early to remind folks about it we have um charming of the plow

00:07:47.540 coming up at new york's off in white springs florida and that will be in february i don't

00:07:53.380 know if nick's got an ad for it just yet if he does i'm sure he will put that up on screen for

00:08:00.020 us but very excited about that one um i will be down there uh looking forward to it and follow

00:08:09.540 that up in march with excuse me in march with ostara at odin's off in linden north carolina

00:08:19.140 so those are the next two big events we have coming up we'd love to see you guys there

00:08:23.540 if your members get with your local folk builders they can get you all set up and registered

00:08:28.340 if you are not a member and you want to go get with your local folk builder and we'll try to get

00:08:32.500 you guys set up and registered and um we'd love to see you guys there i i'll be at both of those

00:08:38.340 looking forward to seeing you i'm not sure about clinton's fawn coming down to florida or not but

00:08:43.940 but he will certainly be there at, uh, at Ostara. Um,

00:08:49.960 it's fine. You're going to make it to a charming old fly this year at Njortsov.

00:08:54.380 Uh, that is still up in the air. We're kind of in the middle of, um,

00:08:58.700 huge transition here at the house. Um, as far as, uh, I have, uh,

00:09:04.460 my 102 year old, uh, great grandmother is living with us now. Um,

00:09:10.380 she is a blessed woman um she has her whole mind so her her huger and her mini are still

00:09:18.200 there um she's mobile she's getting around she's teaching my daughter how to knit

00:09:23.960 it is an amazing thing but it's a new responsibility and we're still trying to

00:09:29.020 feel out exactly how we will do um travel and things like that while making sure

00:09:33.900 she's um fully taken care of in our home well we don't want her um we want to be able to care

00:09:41.620 for her ourselves so that's throwing a little bit of a a twist this uh ever since pretty much

00:09:49.600 the end of yule it's been uh it's been a wild ride

00:09:52.540 i'm looking over in the chat i don't know if i said something odd or not um anyway it seems to

00:10:08.760 be some confusion in february we will have charming of the plow at new yorks off in white

00:10:15.280 Springs, Florida. And in March, we'll have Ostara at Thorshoff in Linden, North Carolina.

00:10:23.340 Excellent. Oh, also, I want to give a shout out of appreciation to Lydia Phelps. She put in hard

00:10:34.260 work making our website look amazing. She will be doing that with all of our different sites,

00:10:43.600 but she's got the Odenshoff website up and running and pretty in the way we'd like to see it.

00:10:51.140 It's always a work in progress. There's always more to do,

00:10:54.620 but she's done a really nice revamp of the site to make it much more effective and beautiful.

00:11:03.060 So we appreciate that a lot. Nick, if you could throw a link up for that.

00:11:07.460 And also, in case anybody listening on this or watching this later doesn't know, you know, we talk about the different Hoff districts.

00:11:17.620 And if you're new and you're not familiar, you may have no idea what that means or where you are in that.

00:11:23.140 So we've got kind of a chart to give you an idea of how it's broken up so far. 0.99

00:11:29.020 These are massive districts because we only have four Hoffs in the entire world.

00:11:33.400 but as that gets better, these districts will become much more local in their scope.

00:11:45.640 Oh, Rachel Kinsler said it. You said Ostra at Oldenshof in North Carolina.

00:11:51.640 Oh, did I? Yeah. My apologies.

00:11:55.320 That's a good problem to have when we're mixing them up because there's so many locations.

00:12:01.000 it is i can still remember doesn't seem like long ago when we were talking about the hoff

00:12:06.600 and now we've got to you know ask people to specify

00:12:11.880 right excellent so nick's got the graphics up um this is how we're currently divided for

00:12:21.880 our international audience uh basically take the lines of these and run them straight up through

00:12:28.880 canada on how canada is currently divided um south america is part of new yorkshoff district

00:12:40.960 australia new zealand is okay i say that i might as well do this while i'm on your top south africa

00:12:47.520 is also a part of the new yorkshoff district australia and new zealand are part of odenshoff

00:12:53.840 district. And then currently Northern Europe is in the Thorshof district. Ah, all of Europe right

00:13:02.600 now is in the Thorshof district. I'm getting ahead of myself. So that's how we've got it split up

00:13:07.340 currently. It is imperfect. Like I say, the more hops we get, the more manageable those districts

00:13:13.740 are going to look and with that uh witness fawn will you take us through the

00:13:25.820 middle third of the belus bow well a lot of people are saying uh they're noticing

00:13:33.340 the the nice horn you're drinking from um as well they should it is an amazing horn

00:13:40.860 carved and painted by afa member christian pinner who not just a member happens to be a folk builder

00:13:47.500 out of north dakota he does absolutely beautiful beautiful work um this one is dedicated to uh

00:13:54.780 awesome thor and was gifted to me by the uh the gothar at thor's hof that was that was the first

00:14:05.100 hoff that we got under my administration and it was really special one uh to me i mean they are

00:14:12.300 all special to me and i'm tremendously honored to be part of all of these hoffs to our gods but

00:14:19.660 that was really a proving ground to see if i could accomplish that and if that was something i could

00:14:26.940 do for our folk and for our gods and it was really special to be part of making that happen so uh

00:14:33.180 appreciate that as far as what i'm drinking out of it um i am drinking a

00:14:39.420 a chocolate shop wine doesn't give me a lot of description on the front

00:14:45.820 other than it is a red wine it's chocolatey and it's delicious

00:14:53.020 are there 12 um so willow runes around alsa thor's head

00:14:58.780 I was trying to count while you were showing off the horn, but

00:15:05.980 There's 11 that are visible

00:15:15.100 Okay, right

00:15:16.700 So maybe there's like one behind

00:15:19.420 Okay

00:15:22.780 He not only carves the horns, but it's carved and painted

00:15:29.080 a beautiful work with the metallic paints and it's got a little end thingy suppose of finial perhaps

00:15:39.800 oh yeah cap but yeah that's uh that's what i got um yeah i think a lot of people don't

00:15:49.400 realize too like the the imagery that we utilize of the 12 spoke sun wheel or sun and rod behind the

00:15:56.120 The gods is, of course, like representing the 12 Asa or Aus, the gods of order.

00:16:07.260 So the fact that, you know, he kind of paid attention to that detail and with the art having that reoccurring iconography that we are kind of culturally using is becoming more and more, I think, prevalent with other artists.

00:16:23.540 so that's that's why i'm really i like the detail of that

00:16:31.140 all right i was requested to do a 360.

00:16:40.900 i am currently looking at this on a little bit of a delay on the way i'm viewing the camera thing

00:16:47.460 here so i can't really tell if i'm getting it the way i want until after the damage is already done

00:16:53.540 But that said, let's get back into the prophecy of the Seerus.

00:17:04.680 okay so this is where we last left off some of you might not remember um they were the the uh

00:17:15.820 was just now talking about the end of the war between the gods of cosmic order and the gods

00:17:26.940 of natural law, the gods of fire and wind and light versus the gods of water and earth and of

00:17:35.900 shade or murk, if you will. And of course, the next section broaches over, and this is where

00:17:45.860 we kind of know that she's most likely referring to the story of the rebuilding of Ausgarder's

00:17:53.820 walls because the next uh in in 26 um immediately she's you know in swelling rage then rose up thor

00:18:04.140 seldom he sits when he hears such uh when such things he hears and oaths were broken and words

00:18:10.140 and bonds and the mighty pledges between them made so the way that it's kind of worded

00:18:15.740 it's more or less like the first half of that is referencing to the return um

00:18:23.600 his return over in that story of specifically when he kind of rises up behind the um

00:18:30.840 the uh yotan after the yotan had kind of deceived the gods by presenting himself as a

00:18:39.060 a mortal or a man. And that's, that's kind of a funny thing. I think, um, a lot of times in our 0.62

00:18:46.440 lore, these transitions and transformations are always kind of linked towards deception.

00:18:54.080 Sometimes it can be cunning deception and it's utilized by the gods. And then other times it's

00:18:59.440 not, and it's, it's seen as, um, uh, treacherous, but it's, it's a neutral ground unless there are

00:19:06.740 certain things kind of crossed. If you lose yourself in that, so when the Jotun is mentioned

00:19:14.760 as kind of as a mortal, and whether this is Snorri's euhemorization or it was simply a plot 0.67

00:19:21.660 hook, the idea is that after he reveals himself, he is no longer a mortal, he's a Jotun. But bear

00:19:31.700 in mind, earlier in the story, he was trying to get the sun and the moon and Freyja to light his

00:19:41.920 house and to warm his bed is basically what he says. And so it's kind of a tongue-in-cheek

00:19:50.560 understanding. It's not necessarily a literalism in any way, shape, or form. And I think that

00:19:56.700 that's what when they're when when the vala is referring to the the oaths that are broken and

00:20:01.620 the words and the bonds is the referencing that in that part it all kind of shifts and he didn't

00:20:10.260 he wasn't able to keep his time and he wasn't truly what he presented himself to be um is a huge

00:20:18.660 weight of or gravitas of the story. So that's when, uh, Asathor, the storm father steps in and,

00:20:28.780 um, smites the Jotun as he often does, um, in our stories. And so it's, she's in essence, uh, 0.99

00:20:38.720 number, uh, verse 26 is, is referring back to 25. And that is ultimately the Vala is referring to

00:20:46.120 the story of the rebuilding of Ausgarder's walls. Then she mentions in 27, and this is an

00:20:55.920 interesting one, I know of the horn of Heimdall. Of course, she's speaking about Gjallarhorn.

00:21:06.800 Hidden under the high-reaching holy tree, on it their pores, from Valfather's pledge,

00:21:14.940 a mighty stream would you know yet more now this that part there is is you're going to see

00:21:23.080 that the best way to look at it is when the vala starts to bring herself towards what would be

00:21:31.680 perhaps the present of the story she's talked about the past now she's shifting over to the

00:21:37.740 present. And that is when you, you see, you know, when, when she says, you know,

00:21:43.760 she's saying, do you want to know more? And she'll say that over and over again. And that is

00:21:52.480 a hundred percent the middle of the poem. And so I've always equated it to the present.

00:22:01.400 Even though she's still kind of referencing secrets, she's referencing secrets that are known

00:22:07.320 now, not necessarily from the past. And this verse too is very, very interesting. So generally,

00:22:16.980 it causes quite a bit of confusion. And there's confusion in Grimnismal and in the Volaspal

00:22:25.760 about where the residing place of which Gjallarhorn is set. And some people wonder if it is in

00:22:35.420 Earth's well, or if it is in Mimir's well. And again, Mimir's well being the caveat that is that

00:22:45.420 no one knows where Mimir's well is except for one, Lord Woden. So how would that be? And I think that

00:22:53.500 the the um the true point of this verse is that it is in earth as well in heaven because of the

00:23:04.840 the the problem with the pledge people focus on the removal of the eye in in relation to this

00:23:12.760 and i wonder and i'm you know still many things to think about and still kind of looking through

00:23:17.980 is that there was another pledge that was made over a well,

00:23:22.480 and that was, of course, Lord Woden's sacrifice to himself upon Yggdrasil

00:23:29.500 and looking down into the waters of Earth's well.

00:23:34.520 So I think that some of the confusion may have been there.

00:23:40.060 But again, there also seems to be that Snorri Sturluson sometimes mixed up some of the spots, or perhaps as they were being written down and as they were being comprised, some of the spots get mixed to where, for instance, in the Guilfaginning, it's mentioned where the roots go.

00:24:02.340 But in Grimnismal, the roots are mixed up. There's one in heaven, there's one in Jotunheim, and there's one in Midgarth. So it's like it gets, I think these might actually be somewhat grammatical errors.

00:24:20.760 I don't think that there's too many or that there may have been a mix up or perhaps kind of a crossing of lines as far as getting the consistency of it.

00:24:32.360 So I think that this is one of those kind of mysteries where people ask, like, well, if Lord of Odin knows where, only knows where Mimr's well is, how did Heimdall's horn get there?

00:24:43.700 Unless, and this is the big one, Heimdall is Odin. And that is one of those, again, for anybody that's new to the Ocetor-Focus family, we don't hypostasis. And so I feel like that's a bit of a cramming point.

00:25:02.080 And even Edward Thorson is, you know, Dr. Stephen Flowers, under his pen name, Edward Thorson, made some suggestions that the possibility of Heimdall being Lord Odin.

00:25:19.060 And I don't prescribe to that, but I think that this is one of those passages that really kind of leans towards starting to question that.

00:25:31.440 But I think that it's also worth noting, the Valfather's pledge and sacrifice was taken on Yggdrasil as well, not just Mimir as well.

00:25:44.560 And so the, the idea that his, his, um, uh, sacrifice there and the, and the things that he gained, uh, as opposed to simply the eye, it's the whole, his whole being was gone and then returned from it.

00:26:03.060 So, just something interesting there, but she's, again, reemphasizing that this is the present moment, and she's starting to kind of reveal secrets, and that is showing, again, her power.

00:26:17.240 So I want to take a moment here

00:26:20.040 I think that

00:26:29.860 And this is to follow on what Svon said about

00:26:34.040 The

00:26:35.360 Tendency that people have

00:26:38.820 Towards a reductionism

00:26:41.660 When it comes to

00:26:43.140 The gods mentioned in our lore

00:26:47.120 and trying to

00:26:49.120 there's a tendency in

00:26:53.160 scholastic circles

00:26:55.160 sometimes to

00:26:56.720 combine deities

00:26:59.300 to make

00:26:59.920 to make the stories move

00:27:03.360 better to make certain plot

00:27:05.160 points more fluid

00:27:06.380 and

00:27:08.740 you guys are going to hear me talk about this

00:27:10.960 all of the time

00:27:12.280 because I think

00:27:15.080 it's important so I'm going to reiterate it a lot

00:27:17.020 If you are approaching our faith as a literary exercise, then absolutely trimming the fat and merging things that seem confusing to make fluid movement in the story makes a lot of sense if it is a work of fiction.

00:27:39.100 If, on the other hand, your purpose in the pursuit of study is piety towards our gods, and our lore is a tool to understand our gods, it's a very different story indeed.

00:27:56.480 Your job is in that pursuit is to find truth from the lore as opposed to construct a literary story that's pleasing to modern sensibilities.

00:28:16.920 And they're really important things.

00:28:19.100 So, and this may sound like a really simple way to look at it.

00:28:26.440 I think a lot of the ways that I try to approach our faith are very simple.

00:28:32.320 And I like to move from the simple to the complex because I think the simple paints things in the highest contrast and the easiest to understand.

00:28:45.340 So, and this sounds dumb even saying it, but I'm going to put it out there.

00:28:55.620 If you are worshiping all of the gods in our stories that are appropriate for worship,

00:29:07.680 and you make the mistake, and two of those gods happen to actually be the same god,

00:29:13.520 no harm no foul that god gets double worship under under different names nobody is nobody

00:29:23.260 is cheated in that equation but if admittedly from a point of confusion you're not sure

00:29:32.640 whether they're the same god or not but it's just easier to think that they are

00:29:37.040 you run the very serious risk of one of those gods being cut off from the worship of our folk

00:29:47.280 and i can think of no greater impiety impiety than to separate one of our gods from the worship of

00:30:00.000 our folk um there's absolutely cases in our world where there are multiple names for the same god

00:30:09.120 and or the same goddess and we we accept that and there are cases where that's

00:30:16.240 absolutely true in the instance of odin and heimdall it's not um

00:30:23.040 we do not have significant reason to believe that it is the

00:30:30.720 positions that they serve within the family of our gods are very different and very distinct

00:30:39.800 there's a lot of things that are very distinct but there are obviously clear similarities

00:30:45.420 when dealing with mythic understandings again when you talk about these wells

00:30:52.900 it teaches us these different sources of

00:30:58.320 i'm trying to say how to think of how to describe the wells and what to liken to

00:31:07.220 them to besides wells but it really is a good analogy of these sources of us pulling up

00:31:16.220 things the well of memory and the well of earth are very similar in a lot of ways

00:31:22.540 if you have to combine elements of a story to make them make sense i am much more likely to combine

00:31:30.140 the wells than i am to combine the two gods i think that's a much more pious way to make

00:31:37.820 the stanza make sense if that's where we're going and i think there's a lot of

00:31:42.220 obvious similarity and

00:31:49.020 sameness to the well of memory and the well of earth both of the ideas of bringing up

00:31:55.740 ancestral things from the past

00:32:02.940 and i just wanted to give that primer in case people wonder because a lot of the other

00:32:08.700 sources that folks listen to and that folks mention on uh on this youtube uh series that we do they

00:32:17.260 those folks have a tendency to be very free with their combining and reducing all the gods

00:32:24.940 down to a much smaller number eventually some people go so far as to reduce them all down to

00:32:31.180 to odin and that does a great disservice to all those gods that eventually become forgotten to our

00:32:39.740 fold well and i at the um the pledge um the word is is auryum and auryum is

00:32:58.380 uh a little confusing and i think that it's worth noting that it it denotes itself towards um i would

00:33:07.740 say that perhaps the the best way to say it is is the the pledge that holds things together it is

00:33:20.060 the o thing of or the the kind of the process of so it's still not very um uh clear

00:33:28.380 And again, I think it's left up to consideration

00:33:32.140 Perhaps debate, but certainly consideration

00:33:35.540 When it comes to the clarity as to where exactly

00:33:39.740 Lord Heimdall's horn resides

00:33:45.060 And when we cover the other poems

00:33:48.360 Like the Grimnismaule and stuff like that

00:33:50.480 We can kind of reveal a little bit of that as well

00:33:54.160 But I didn't want to soak too much time on that

00:33:57.200 as I wanted to kind of just lay that seed, perhaps for people to go and hopefully, you know,

00:34:04.380 as we're doing this, they're, they're looking in and researching and, and, and maybe seeing

00:34:10.140 other things and considering other things in relation to, because again, you know, word

00:34:15.820 begets word, deed begets deed, knowledge grows. So, so there are a couple of questions over in

00:34:26.220 the chat that are directly related to these stanzas or at least to what we're talking about

00:34:31.740 in specific and one that i wanted to get to of real mage mentions that both odin and heimdall

00:34:39.040 are both connected to manu according to his studies maybe they share aspects from him

00:34:46.480 um there's a lot of similarity when you trace the roots of our god and our gods and their

00:34:55.360 names throughout uh history as they come down to us um i see

00:35:06.320 i can see overlap in a lot of ways between uh manu and heim and admittedly which i'm not an

00:35:12.960 expert on and heimdall but i don't see that in the case of of the all-father uh svan do you have any

00:35:19.600 thoughts on that uh interestingly enough jacob or him kind of connected um uh

00:35:30.160 board bar um the the father of olden he connected him to manas um of the of tacitus's accounts and

00:35:41.520 of course manas is connected to or you know linguistically people have connected it to

00:35:46.800 manu so there is a lot of speculation across the board on this um and i would say that again

00:35:52.320 perennial truths of the idea of um from the you know from bor uh the gods come forth bar and bar

00:36:01.760 and bestla um so you know from the gods they they come out of and just like that there's uh you know

00:36:10.880 again odin and the aunt and the breath that he gives to the to the folk and then heimdall so

00:36:18.000 again they there it's it's a perennial truth about the opening of the problem is is when 0.78

00:36:25.360 i think you see it in hinduism where they start to kind of dial everything down into vishnu or

00:36:31.520 dial everything down into shiva and i think right now what's going on is a lot of people

00:36:36.880 dial everything down to oven because the other gods perhaps cannot do these things or they feel

00:36:44.320 that they cannot do these things because it somehow takes away from the sourcing of of the one

00:36:51.120 ultimately you know it's just it kind of it's like that all mythos is related in arian uh sense

00:36:59.600 but it all boils down to earth earth mommy and sky daddy and i again i think that this is a

00:37:05.360 really dangerous path because our ancestors believed in the multiplicity of the gods

00:37:10.720 for a reason their interactions with the gods and what they were taught by the first

00:37:15.680 whether it's classier or whether it's king gelfi or whether it's just the stories that were spread

00:37:20.800 down to us over time have always worked towards multiplicity and we should look at

00:37:29.360 the patterning instead of attempting to kind of force. But the perennial truth of the eldest of

00:37:38.480 the Aus, Bor, being the progenitor of the gods, and Lord Woden being the progenitor of the folk

00:37:45.840 soul, and then Heimdall being the progenitor of, say, the evolutions of the folk, are all true.

00:37:54.000 so i can see those connections here's the here's the other thing and this goes back to

00:38:00.800 to my kind of overriding theme here if we were starting from nothing and inventing gods and

00:38:12.160 inventing religion then cool it's super easy just to have like sky father and earth mother

00:38:18.480 That's really handy. It's easy. It makes sense. Cool. Let's do that. That's not what we're doing.

00:38:26.320 We have to start from a place to where our gods exist, whether we're aware or not, whether we

00:38:33.200 understand them or not, whether we know or not. Our gods exist. Lord Odin exists. Lord Heimdall

00:38:40.820 exists any fault incomprehension between the two is on us not on them we seek to form a more perfect

00:38:49.620 understanding of them and a better relationship with them individually and as the family of the

00:38:56.580 isir we do that through devotion through offerings through the gift cycle through piety and through

00:39:04.740 our best attempt at right action and the study of that is good if it brings us closer to them

00:39:15.460 and helps us understand them better it's fun and interesting if we're just you know history nerds

00:39:23.460 which cool i am but the meat and taters of it is does it bring us closer to our gods

00:39:32.260 honoring and being loyal to the iser trumps literary peculiarities of bits of lore the

00:39:42.420 lore is useful because the lore brings us closer to an understanding of our gods

00:39:48.020 it's always important to come back to that touchstone and that point of why are we doing this

00:39:55.380 a fundamental in our religion generally why the what changes with time with place with circumstance

00:40:10.180 the why is timeless why are we reading our lord why are we studying it what is the purpose of

00:40:18.580 our action what is the purpose of our thought process if we do that it clarifies all these

00:40:23.940 other things. And it does boil them down into a very simple starting point.

00:40:35.380 And with that, let's continue. Okay. So here is where, again, absolute presentism

00:40:45.280 comes about because the Vala is saying almost as if she's speaking more to herself

00:40:52.900 um she's stating the obvious as as uh as um you know lord voden is there and has uh brought her

00:41:03.340 about and she she speaks about him coming as if separate from the time or and i i always take this

00:41:12.560 as again the um the location is never truly um uh stated except in comparison to uh the the

00:41:22.720 preparing of the halls in Helgard. But again, if she can see all from various levels, some people

00:41:29.980 automatically assume that Lord Volden has gone into Helgard, which he does often. He goes into

00:41:36.800 the place away from time. That's one of the most powerful parts of him in retrospect to perhaps

00:41:45.220 in the stories, all the other gods, is that his unique ability to be dynamic. He's in the dynamic

00:41:52.500 throne. And I use these titles because I'm not trying to force the gods into things. I'm trying

00:41:58.860 to observe the gods from the stories and then kind of classify what that might be. And so

00:42:07.360 Lord Wolden being in the dynamic and seeing all the other Aryan faiths having the dynamic throne,

00:42:15.320 having the stasis throne and having the catalystic throne, it's generally seeing that Lord Wolden is 0.67

00:42:21.820 in the place away from time in the place of shadow in the place where the the deepest and

00:42:28.160 the darkest roots or root of Yggdrasil finds itself below the Nidavellur and into Niflheim and

00:42:35.400 and there he raises her up and that's generally when you see um the stories written not as poems

00:42:43.220 but just as stories that is that is the um the general kind of mode you'll see it presented

00:42:50.440 and that it was Lord Woden's sorrow of the death of his son that ultimately is the reason why he

00:42:59.120 asked Hermoth to ride instead of him because the perilous journey but in this case you know it's

00:43:07.040 generally seen that he has made the journey and once again has you know moved through Nipah's

00:43:12.300 cave and passed by Garmer, the great hound, death hound, or hell hound, and is now, you

00:43:21.400 know, raising her somewhere in the deep cockles of the shadowy realms. It's very, very, it's

00:43:28.880 so cool, but not contextualized in the poem. So I like to paint that a little bit because

00:43:35.020 it helps people kind of like get the imagery of it. And I want to interject something real

00:43:40.700 quick because it's a lot of these first ones feel free to fast forward these down the line

00:43:48.220 when you watch them or whatever because i know we um go through points exhaustively but we're

00:43:56.220 setting tones and it's really important so i see over in the chat and this is not aimed negatively

00:44:02.940 this is something to keep in mind because we all have a tendency to do this it's very important to

00:44:10.700 change our mindset change our language and change how we think of things from time to time

00:44:20.140 somebody mentions that the gods were well-rounded because the folk in each social class had to be

00:44:29.900 if the gods were well-rounded the gods are well-rounded our gods don't exist in the ancient

00:44:36.540 past i mean certainly they do but they exist just as much in the ancient past as they do in the

00:44:42.300 present and in the distant future and that's one of those things that we all do it's one of those

00:44:48.940 one of the biggest things i try to correct um when we get new members they want to talk about what

00:44:55.900 you know you guys in the afa you know you guys are doing this you guys are doing great things

00:45:01.580 like no you mean us guys you are admit you're one of us you're in our family

00:45:06.620 you're on the team we are doing those things and so when we talk about our

00:45:11.420 gods they didn't used to be like X they are you know however they are and it's

00:45:20.300 just one of those things that may seem small but it affects how you think and

00:45:23.480 the more you internalize that the more I'm ingrained it becomes good well so

00:45:31.280 this though the way bellows places this is super i love it it it really gets the storytelling

00:45:40.080 mode out she's saying to herself alone i sat when the old one sought me the terror of the gods and

00:45:47.840 gazed in my eyes what hast thou to ask why comest thou hither oh then i know where thine eye is

00:45:56.880 hidden so she's again revealing the fact she knows a present secret a verdandi secret and she's she's

00:46:03.040 just kind of posturing here um with great confidence because again perhaps her slumber

00:46:11.920 or the place in which she has uh you know laid um brings her to this knowledge of like seeping

00:46:20.240 through the roots uh while she's been in this torpor or sleep and um you know she says i know

00:46:26.000 there where they where odin's eye is hidden and she's speaking to odin deep in the wide famed

00:46:31.920 well of mimir need from the pledge of odin each uh each oh they kind of had a an interesting uh

00:46:43.840 each mourn the there's a misspelling here uh but does does mimir drink would you know yet more

00:46:52.800 and so here you know it's she's clearly stating there's a secret place a place after the war

00:47:02.440 that you took the head of your uncle and hid it in a secret place in a well far off in the place

00:47:11.120 of dissipation the place that's that cannot be traversed easily unless you are you know the

00:47:17.020 the storm father, or if you are Lord Odin himself, and, and it's, it's just not, and yet

00:47:23.840 here she knows, she knows of it. She knows where it is. She knows what the cost of the, of the

00:47:30.020 pledge that he made there with his eye to drink from that well and to know all things that have

00:47:36.100 traversed through the middle world. And that's, I think, a really important thing, the well of

00:47:41.020 memory um if we we understand the world uh udr is the origin point the place in which all things

00:47:48.220 flow from mimir is the memory point the it is the part in which all things of time and weird and all

00:47:56.480 all the movements of the middle go into the wellspring of the memory the place that it flows

00:48:03.960 And it's processed there through the wisdom of Mimir, and he is kind of like a godhead of all that has happened.

00:48:13.760 And the eye there is clearly, you know, again, the association is that Lord Wolven can now see all actions to their conclusion.

00:48:25.300 And that helps with him staving off the ultimate end of chaos.

00:48:30.900 if we're looking at this of course in the in the uh mythos timeline of of point a to point b

00:48:38.960 this is what it's really about is again is attaining that understanding it's and she

00:48:44.480 she states it and the reason why it's so important is because nobody knows where that is and she does

00:48:51.600 so uh very very interesting um uh in 29 there is a there's a little bit of um a loss in this verse

00:49:04.300 uh necklaces had eye and rings from hair hair father head father of course being battle father

00:49:11.420 or war father or uh you know raiding father um wise was my speech and my magic wisdom

00:49:19.940 uh widely i saw all over the of of the worlds and what i think this is ultimately stating is that

00:49:26.260 perhaps the process in which he gains this knowledge is given through gift giving in a form

00:49:31.780 of of necklaces and rings or or the idea again clearly of the germanic concept of of kind of

00:49:39.820 giving in order to receive um that a leader must do oftentimes and and and and uh with good with

00:49:48.620 good reward it's it's kind of seen that way is um a a strong and high hand is a giving hand and can

00:49:56.540 be a uh you know or or an unforgiving hand if you if you go uh against it's kind of the the process

00:50:03.260 so that that um stanza there is i think kind of alluding to her um exchange and being able to see

00:50:13.940 all through the worlds of of yggdrasil um and then she again this is poetic and i think it's

00:50:21.540 it's important to perhaps um that the idea is that the the names of the the true avatars of

00:50:31.780 lord wothin's um furious might is always the the the willful grasping hands of of the valkyrie

00:50:41.220 the Valkyries

00:50:43.000 the carriers of the slain

00:50:45.560 and so she

00:50:47.120 goes to name that

00:50:48.760 and she says

00:50:51.260 on all sides I saw

00:50:53.040 the Valkyries assemble

00:50:55.480 ready to ride to the ranks of the

00:50:57.540 gods. There is Skuld 1.00

00:50:59.380 now this is again a lot of people

00:51:01.440 this causes confusion because we

00:51:03.460 think well oh there's the Norn Skuld

00:51:05.560 but 1.00

00:51:06.620 again the Nornir

00:51:09.820 the Desir

00:51:10.740 and even some of the Ausenir, including Freyja, is often referred to as, again, a vanadis,

00:51:22.040 a twister of fate. The Nornir are kind of an application of the usage of the word witch,

00:51:28.520 but not in the sense of like a troll witch as more so much like a bringer of fate, a turner of fate.

00:51:36.240 and the valkyria were seen that way they were seen as the ones that had the ability to again

00:51:42.160 twist and and twine the fate of those on the battlefield to the moment that othen needed in

00:51:48.220 order to uh bring up the strong souls so um these you know he he is basically being told like i i

00:52:00.680 even know the names of your valkyries um you know there's skold who bore the shield and there's

00:52:07.360 skogel the shaking one uh who rode next and then there is you know there is gud and healed um

00:52:13.960 you know uh might and or goodly might and battle and then uh gondul and gear skogel gear is a

00:52:24.080 is uh the same as the old english gar gear is a spear like we spoke about with um garlic

00:52:30.580 and and and uh the gear leak so she's the spear shaker and um of of hair yarns hair yarns hair

00:52:40.760 yarns maidens so again hair your father hair yarn is of course the lord or the presiding

00:52:48.240 of battle um the maidens uh list ye have heard valkyries ready to ride over the earth

00:52:55.180 so um really really again poignant and understanding that um she's referencing to

00:53:02.980 lord odin's present state the the the secret of the eye and and his application of willful

00:53:12.640 spirit the the the the valkyria which we don't know the origin of um but i kind of always have

00:53:19.660 seen them as the um the willful manifestation or extensions of his will perhaps you know completely

00:53:29.020 understood as as um by his his desire and a lot of people um have speculated again about the

00:53:38.940 organs of the valkyria um perhaps being you know physical maidens and uh throughout the times they

00:53:45.900 have changed they were you know kind of seen as um that terrible to look upon the the fear of of

00:53:53.260 battle the um shell shock if you will that could come over you if you were to kind of be in the

00:53:59.020 presence of their spirit um because war is is hell in our hell guard war is is that way and

00:54:08.860 And so when they ride, it's definitely seen as a scary sense.

00:54:16.660 But then later on too, the Valkyries are seen as ever upward, ever open.

00:54:22.540 And I think that that's really important.

00:54:23.940 Just like when we see the Valfather as the Lord of Battle, but he's also the Lord of

00:54:28.140 Gladsheim.

00:54:29.320 We see battle and the darkness and a lot of that, but it's not the motif entirely.

00:54:35.100 entire it's there is a grandeur to it as well um and so i you know this this part though definitely

00:54:43.580 captures um some of the kind of just brutalness of it all um so yeah we move uh now into let me see we

00:54:56.700 are uh in 31. double checking making sure so i don't skip anything because that would be

00:55:10.540 uh let me see

00:55:15.740 yeah so um

00:55:18.060 um you know we see then that she comes to uh i saw for balder the bleeding god the son of odin his

00:55:28.220 destiny is set famous and fair in the lofty fields full grown in strength their mistletoe stood so

00:55:36.460 she's again coyishly playing with the fact that the ultimate doom was in such a pleasant place

00:55:43.980 a place unknown un un um you know unobserved just kind of lot left and she's toying with lord

00:55:55.820 volvin in this story and again remember it's this is the stories have to have an a certain level of

00:56:01.540 entertainment value for the folk that are listening and so you know um she's making

00:56:08.060 coy of this i saw for balder the bleeding god the fact of calling him the bleeding god is again

00:56:15.460 kind of a strike the son of oath and his destiny set famous and fair in the lofty fields

00:56:22.960 full grown in strength the mistletoe stood because again mistletoe is so slight and small like

00:56:29.640 she's kind of playing up with the whole um how big how strong this tiny little sprig was

00:56:36.880 and then she of course then reveals the whole point of it true is that from the branch which

00:56:42.740 seemed so slender and fair came a harmful shaft that hother should hurl uh of course in the

00:56:49.800 english they say hoth um hother is of course the the other half of balder the shadow he is the

00:56:58.880 the blind and um you know but the brother of balder was born ere long and one night old

00:57:08.880 fought odin's son now this causes a lot of confusion because again the audience is is

00:57:14.300 understanding of certain things and this is making reference to another one of the holy

00:57:19.720 Ausa, who is the lord of corrective might. And that is, of course, Vaoli. And so there are switching

00:57:30.900 here that from the branch, which seems so slender and fair, came a harmful shaft that

00:57:36.460 Hoth did hurl. But the brother of Baldr, which again is now she's referring to Vaoli,

00:57:42.700 was born nearly not very long and one night old killed hog and that's what she's referencing to

00:57:52.180 because again he had to immediately his existence uh was brought about with the entire intent of

00:58:00.940 correcting uh balance which means that if balder the light must fall then so too must hother the

00:58:08.540 dark because they are interconnected um it is as much the consciousness to the shadow or the

00:58:16.860 to the um you know the the the ego or the subconscious in a way if we wanted to kind

00:58:22.380 of conceptualize it like that and it was through vali's hand that born of the ausenia rinder

00:58:28.860 he is not you know but one night old and he uh his exudes his power and um i like it you know

00:58:38.620 the interesting uh usage of the story and he's covered in gore and not even bathed um in the

00:58:44.180 guild beginning when it's mentioned um and yeah his hands were washed not his hair was not combed

00:58:51.780 till he bore the bale blaze balder's foe again referring to the equilibrium of of

00:58:59.700 putting holder on the pyre along with balder um but then we talk about the the you know

00:59:08.420 but in fensaler did frig weep sore for valhalla's or valhall's need would yet would you know yet or

00:59:19.300 more. And so here is the lament. And again, it's kind of a poke because our audience would

00:59:28.240 understand that what Lady Frigga had to do in order to try to stop the death of Lord Balder

00:59:35.980 was to create the oath of all things. All creation was to oath to not harm him. And

00:59:43.280 yet still she weeps because she had failed. So it's a little bit of a poke.

00:59:49.300 Now, this is a truly interesting part because I don't see anyone else except for perhaps in our interpretations of the lore, we're about to venture into something that a lot of people I think are confused about and they don't really know what to do because of, again, double namings that happen a lot in the lore.

01:00:17.460 But for us, this is, again, still, Wawli is enacting more justice in equilibrium.

01:00:26.060 Baldr is slain by Hodr, so Hodr has to be taken down.

01:00:29.980 Then did Wawli slaughter Bonn's twist made fairly grim with those fetters of guts.

01:00:36.100 And what we're talking about now is if Baldr and Hodr are in line with each other

01:00:45.920 to be um you know in equilibrium that one dies the other has to die what ultimately happened

01:00:52.320 the reason why we call loki the kinslayer is that loki took a son from his blood brother

01:01:02.160 and blood brotherhood is like brotherhood it's it's he's a kinslayer that's a needling act and so

01:01:08.160 So what would Vowli do? Again, the birth and him being a babe is kind of, again, showing that he's pure in focus. He's completely neutral and is enacting upon himself this.

01:01:22.520 this um and so vali then slaughters loki's son and binds him as what she's referring to

01:01:32.280 and a lot of people get this caught up because uh in uh loki's one of loki's sons is um you know

01:01:39.160 is narvi and then volley is mentioned but i think that's actually an interplay of uh of

01:01:45.480 in correction which they're referring to valley slaying loki's son norvi with with his

01:01:52.600 also wife sigillon so that's an important

01:01:59.640 that's an important thing to guard against as well in trying to understand our lower i've seen

01:02:07.480 a lot of other people again if our lore were carved on stone on top of a mountain

01:02:20.600 by the hand of one of our gods if it was perfectly imparted to one of our great

01:02:27.880 prophets in a cave it's a very different thing um but our lore is not our lore teaches us and it

01:02:39.960 approaches perfect truth through imperfect means and through understandings of scalds

01:02:48.200 and poets and bards and elders over time um so there's inevitably pieces of it that are

01:02:57.160 imperfect, that are mistranslated, that are, that you will find contradictions and flaws.

01:03:07.480 It doesn't mean the truth of our faith is contradictory or flawed. It means the

01:03:14.260 centuries, perhaps millennia of writing it down and recording it gets messed up a little bit.

01:03:22.980 For example, if you look at the text we're reading right now, we find errors in it.

01:03:28.700 We found one where it says mob when it means mourn.

01:03:31.760 We found that, you know, what, two stanzas ago?

01:03:35.200 It's clear when you look at the original text, it's just somebody mistyped something from the original Norse.

01:03:42.600 It's easy enough to unravel.

01:03:44.060 all that to say this the complete reading of the lore that we have adds context when there's a point

01:03:53.740 of confusion in other pieces of lore um each of these poems contains very often there's similar

01:04:06.180 stories told in different ones by comparing those and finding the commonalities and finding the

01:04:13.120 common threads that make sense it is we're best served to get a full understanding of

01:04:20.980 of the circumstance as opposed to what I've seen trying the best way to put this

01:04:27.400 there are some people who if you approach our lore as a scholastic literary study in Old Norse

01:04:38.820 it's really easy if you find one place where something is anomalous and to build everything

01:04:46.040 around the anomaly that you found it is much more solid ground to build truth out of the rule

01:04:54.680 instead of the exception to the rule and the more you study this with an eye towards piety

01:05:03.540 the more you recognize those things.

01:05:06.780 So somebody finds like a little,

01:05:08.540 aha, I found something that nobody else has thought about.

01:05:14.120 We shouldn't celebrate the obscurity.

01:05:16.660 We should celebrate the clear theme

01:05:20.460 and clear predominance of the lore

01:05:23.020 as opposed to some obscure little snippet

01:05:27.220 somewhere that you find.

01:05:28.440 And you don't cast out the wealth of evidence to the contrary because you found one exception.

01:05:39.900 It's the exception that you should look upon with some skepticism if it flies in the face of a consistent body of lore that says otherwise.

01:05:50.700 And that may not make sense right now.

01:05:52.700 Some of you know what I'm talking about are going to understand it.

01:05:55.240 But you'll see it as we go through the lore more fully when there's these little points that don't quite match up.

01:06:01.820 It's, you know, you'll notice that Svan mentions perhaps little pieces that Snorri may get wrong or may transcribe in a slightly off way.

01:06:14.980 These aren't arbitrary. It's because Svan is well versed in the existent body of our lore.

01:06:21.980 So he is making sense within that context.

01:06:25.240 as opposed to you know aha there's this one line because our lord doesn't work that way

01:06:33.480 well and in particular with this situation there is a a problem about balance and arian mythos

01:06:42.280 if voli kills holder but then the son of loki voli kills his brother people try to make that

01:06:53.000 equation is hoth kills balder so uh loki's you know two sons will kill each other as well but

01:07:00.200 this immediately negates the purpose of vali and and what he's he's come to do and again the there's

01:07:08.440 no stating as to this other son of loki what happens after he kills his brother and binds him

01:07:16.440 with it so there was there there was these gaps that we were looking at and the the linguistics

01:07:23.080 of it speculate that perhaps it was not that case that vauly was the the uh instrument throughout

01:07:30.920 the entirety and this is vauly olden son uh you know son of olden and and rinder and that he is

01:07:39.960 enacting this vengeance because that was what that is what he is born to do and the moment you take 0.92

01:07:44.920 that and go oh well perhaps there was a kind of a double skip there and that it's narvi that's 0.99

01:07:50.440 slain by valley then everything is complete at that point and there's no gas well and so that's

01:07:57.400 i noticed this because we all use wikipedia as an aid here and there for running into something

01:08:02.920 really quick we'll quick look it up on wikipedia but the people that write about our faith on

01:08:08.440 wikipedia aren't writing about it as a religion they're writing about it as an anthropological

01:08:14.680 study in you know old norse literature and it it's different there and they entertain a lot of

01:08:24.120 you know strange theories because their academic curiosities rather than trying

01:08:28.520 to come to an understanding of truth it's very obvious in the story

01:08:33.640 that the vow the only valley that's relevant is the valley especially when it has any overlap

01:08:41.720 with this particular story and his purpose could not be more clear now to extrapolate

01:08:49.620 the greater implications of him embodying the writing of the scales is done you know

01:08:58.600 through Agothi's wisdom but just through a reading of the story in any way it's very obvious

01:09:04.700 He is the instant birthing of vengeance that can't even comb his hair or wash the birth gore off before he accomplishes his task.

01:09:18.740 And he gets vengeance for his brother and does right by his father and his family.

01:09:25.060 And that is profoundly clear to anybody reading the story.

01:09:34.700 And, a side note, I'm excited for Svan to paint that particular mural when we get to

01:09:41.500 his Hoth.

01:09:42.500 Oh yes, it's again, there's a sense of, and again, Lord Odin is eager, he's the

01:09:52.500 awesome one, the terrifying one, and Vowli is by essence of his father that kind of extension,

01:10:00.040 honed into condensed form. And truly, there's just a lot of, I've been speculating as to how I could

01:10:10.760 do it justice or do it honor. And I'm not quite there yet. I don't have a full on, but again,

01:10:18.500 the task is not lost on me. And to reference some of these in the murals and create these

01:10:26.060 little Easter eggs and then transferring, I mean, perhaps in the folk futhark, um, little tidbits

01:10:32.400 here and there in order for people to kind of get both the poetic sense and the story sense.

01:10:38.500 Cause I, I really do enjoy the, um, what are, what are the stories of our gods were meant to

01:10:44.720 do is to teach us, but also to inspire, to, to evoke emotions. Um, and for those of you listening

01:10:52.780 home, this will be Hoff number

01:10:54.900 10 when Lord

01:10:56.700 Vowley gets his home.

01:10:59.980 Yeah, and

01:11:00.860 Vowley is the

01:11:02.960 arbiter of

01:11:04.100 corrective order.

01:11:06.860 He is the instrument of

01:11:08.600 instantaneous

01:11:09.460 writing of the ship

01:11:12.740 or perhaps, again, using eastern

01:11:14.700 tongue, you know, dharma.

01:11:16.840 He is instant

01:11:18.480 as opposed to perhaps

01:11:20.420 evolving or

01:11:22.200 delayed corrective

01:11:24.420 action or the maintenance of corrective

01:11:26.460 action. He is that

01:11:28.560 which, when the scales are tilted

01:11:30.360 farthest,

01:11:32.340 he, you know,

01:11:34.280 becomes that wrathful

01:11:37.600 purity.

01:11:40.300 I just can't remember.

01:11:42.460 I'm not allowed for words.

01:11:46.120 Vowley

01:11:46.720 is, there's

01:11:48.540 such a small

01:11:49.740 snippet of lore

01:11:52.180 that speaks to his glory

01:11:54.700 but

01:11:55.120 it's so visceral

01:11:58.540 that it

01:12:00.340 in such a

01:12:02.520 brevity of words

01:12:04.420 conveys

01:12:06.140 like

01:12:08.000 overwhelmingly powerful

01:12:10.800 imagery and

01:12:12.360 I think that's a

01:12:14.600 really special

01:12:15.480 reflection of him

01:12:18.500 in that way

01:12:19.100 Yeah, and I think that the lore of our gods versus perhaps the devotion of our gods is that, you know, you have this small amount of lore, perhaps in poems, but to understand like that Vowley's eye, you know, is like the catching of Vowley's eye is both good and bad.

01:12:38.600 Because the idea is that any imbalance within yourself can be shattered. So it's like the moment of being seen by the lens of the gods in action is like, do you want to be truly noticed? And are you prepared to stand before that understanding that despite all, he enacts that justice swiftly if need be?

01:13:05.720 And I've always found with my personal religious workings with with Valley that I I speak in in oftentimes hushed tones and lower prayers.

01:13:16.580 And I give offering with great humbleness because I don't think that we truly have the ability because we're mortal to really respect introspectively look at the balances within ourselves.

01:13:33.860 And so I oftentimes have always very quietly and humbly given unto Vali gift because I don't want to, not offend, but just, again, it's a sense of reverence for a power that is always, again, just like with Lord Thor, the power that is around is good, but it can be very powerful.

01:14:03.340 and unrelenting if so respect it you'll notice we've got you know we're into the second of three

01:14:16.140 many hours long episodes about a you know 60 stanza poem or 66 stanza i believe that we

01:14:25.340 could go through we could go through it very quickly but there's a lot of really important

01:14:29.900 things that pop up that i think are um worthy of talking about and i want to make this one

01:14:37.740 you know further extrapolation when we're talking about lord valley

01:14:44.380 this goes to the very essence of so much of what we talk about and so much what i harp on on here

01:14:50.300 we got very little i think a lot of people who are reconstructionist in their approach to our faith

01:15:02.540 can wrap their head around you know how we would build a cult to to odin or to thor that

01:15:11.520 we have so many stories and such a wealth of information on

01:15:15.880 but they scratch their heads and don't know what to do in order to build an active worship

01:15:25.960 of some of our gods that we don't have a wealth of knowledge on. We have very little.

01:15:34.540 But this is what I mean. The lore is a tool to get to know our gods better.

01:15:39.400 but i've always maintained and i believe and you know what

01:15:47.440 x that i think that we're very used to i mentioned words being important earlier

01:15:52.840 we have this ingrained humility on it it's not what i believe it's what i know

01:16:02.260 So if we had none of our lore and we were without those things, we found ourselves on a distant planet, on a deserted island, and it was just us and our gods, we would build lore.

01:16:20.360 We would build relationship.

01:16:22.020 We would come to know them better if we approached them through piety.

01:16:25.640 And that's what we are doing.

01:16:26.960 And it's a huge hope of ours that by establishing Hoffs to some of these gods that we know less about, that we will build those relationships and those bonds in such a way that we'll be blessed with greater knowledge and greater understanding of them.

01:16:47.120 and we've already seen that the relationships with our gods have grown as our Hoffs honoring

01:16:56.520 them have been established in this regular worship that those Hoffs occur. So I'm excited

01:17:04.020 for that as it grows and develops. But again, the law is a tool to help us build those relationships.

01:17:09.520 what is most important is building that relationship with our gods i've said it before

01:17:17.140 there's a profound difference in being a scholar on a subject and being someone who has a personal

01:17:25.420 relationship with someone or i say with someone it's not uh it is a relationship

01:17:36.140 it's not like

01:17:38.100 you know

01:17:39.300 Baldur's my homie

01:17:40.820 some people have trivialized it to that point

01:17:44.460 but it's absolutely

01:17:46.320 a relationship between a worshipper

01:17:48.140 and his gods

01:17:48.940 and that's the most

01:17:52.440 important thing

01:17:53.260 if the lore helps us to get there, fine

01:17:55.100 but if you have the lore without the relationship

01:17:57.360 and without the devotion

01:17:58.580 then you're a scholar

01:18:01.720 and that's fine to be a scholar

01:18:03.460 but being a scholar does not make you

01:18:05.400 And if you have the relationship with our gods and you have, you know, no knowledge of the Lord, or you've never, never seen it or didn't have access to it, you are closer to being Ossitru than the scholar who's never, you know, put his book down and prayed.

01:18:24.400 um verse 35 there comes a point again and mentioning the um the uh the kinslayer again

01:18:40.800 um and i wanted to bring up another point too because again uh the way that we organize things

01:18:46.860 when we talk about the gods and we talk about hierarchy very little is said beyond that and so

01:18:52.660 uh this is another great point of understanding about the way um we observe the hierarchy of

01:18:59.060 of of the gods and uh perhaps other people or um you know fly by nights or things like that um

01:19:08.820 perhaps lose it in the fold but we have an absolute kind of observation of it

01:19:13.060 it was one did i see in the wet woods bound um and that that again is the vera londi um

01:19:24.420 is it's the mired lands uh and again it's mentioned in um the guild forgetting is the

01:19:32.420 the kettle groves and it's mentioned in the in the vola as well later on but uh one did i see

01:19:37.460 in the wet woods a lover of ill the the worker of of strife is basically what the lover of ill means

01:19:48.340 um and to loki like uh it again likening to his his name known amongst the gods

01:19:59.060 And by his side does Sigyon sit, nor is glad to see her mate.

01:20:07.120 It's, you know, would you like to know more?

01:20:12.580 You know, and so it's in that part again, too.

01:20:16.420 It's worth noting, like a lot of people, it's hard to formulate an understanding of who is Sigyon.

01:20:23.580 what and and so the observation and in hierarchy that i have always placed in this is is the the

01:20:32.940 our senior the goddesses are clearly mentioned there's frigga there's freya there's fulla

01:20:40.700 snotra or snotra um nowa and and all of all of them are you know are named full on and i mean

01:20:48.700 Var and Vaur and Stoven and Lloven and all of the Ausenior are mentioned.

01:20:55.080 And then outside of that, we have very key beings in our faith

01:21:01.540 and in the stories that are not mentioned in that list.

01:21:04.120 And so we call them the Ausvenir, the beloved ones.

01:21:08.940 And they're aligned with the gods and therefore are of the gods,

01:21:13.020 but they're not listed as the Ausenior.

01:21:16.160 So you have, for instance, like, idun, and most of us, I think it's going without saying.

01:21:23.480 but because the list was set as uh of the our senior um and that has a titled sense of perhaps

01:21:32.120 the um working machinations of our faith or and the faith of our ancestors about how they who

01:21:40.240 they prayed to um versus the forces that are present uh in heavenly being so you know you

01:21:47.320 have Sif and Idun. And one of the Austvenir that is, you know, is of the gods, but then

01:21:56.260 is consigned to the fate based off her obligation and oath to the kinslayer is Sigion. So she's one 0.97

01:22:06.680 of the Austvenir. Perhaps like, again, in the hierarchy of heaven, she was on the list, but now

01:22:13.640 she resides her fate tied to that, to the one in which she was linked to. And so, you know,

01:22:24.520 in this part, she is, she is of the same ill fate as her husband. And she still honors the oath.

01:22:33.040 She still presides the oath. And despite, you know, Loki's kind of shifting and changing,

01:22:41.580 um she holds true because she is again victory she is the the oust veneer of or was of of victory

01:22:50.780 and of maintaining troth and she does it even despite the the knowing that being of the hand

01:23:01.220 that kills um odin's son is going to bide her no remorse um she she then encapsulates herself 0.93

01:23:10.740 in the fate of Loki.

01:23:17.780 So, you know, then

01:23:19.000 here we go into a mentioning

01:23:24.360 in 36,

01:23:27.000 from the east there pours

01:23:30.680 through poisoned veils with swords and daggers

01:23:33.000 the river's sleeve.

01:23:35.760 And this is an interesting

01:23:36.800 usage of the, again,

01:23:38.960 rivers. I think

01:23:40.260 um perfect example of this is like some of the reconstructionists were talking about how

01:23:45.060 all the rivers have to be at the roots and all the roots have to be at the bottom and everything

01:23:48.820 in order to make sense that there's a tree standing up there has to be this understanding

01:23:52.580 that they basically just completely flipped all of the of the cosmological uh power of movement

01:24:02.340 um without an i think an understanding perhaps just again make sense of it all um but this is

01:24:10.420 an interesting one because it is mentioned about being in between kind of jotenheim and

01:24:16.580 hellheim or niflheim nifl hell and that's again because all the rivers and sleeve is is uh not

01:24:25.840 from jotenheim it's it's known that so basically what's saying this is that um you know

01:24:32.100 from from the east it is known as the one of the elevaur one of the dreadful waves of

01:24:40.560 the underworld but you know it it pours in um from the east of that land the sword uh the the of the

01:24:50.860 river the river slither and slither just means cruel and you'll notice that about all the rivers

01:24:56.520 mentioned in the lower worlds are they have a connection towards there's like the festering

01:25:01.980 battle wound there's the river of the crying out of souls there's the the river that is cruel um

01:25:08.780 the one that is a a noise a a a cacophonous monster or cacophonous singer um the all of

01:25:16.860 the rivers of the lower begin to have that kind of very very um uh you know just desperation in them

01:25:26.220 him so um uh you know from the east through the poison veils with swords and daggers the river

01:25:33.420 sleeve northward a hall in neither valor so in neither valor is or a neither volume is um the

01:25:42.940 the land underneath the earth it is the shady place where uh the kind of the bridging between

01:25:49.980 the mortal realm and the the timeless realm of niflheim and there is uh again a mentioning to

01:25:56.700 the to the dvergar or to the duero or the dwarves or the svarthalfar and this again is a part that

01:26:04.540 um perhaps is is lost but there's um the bur the brewing um uh

01:26:13.180 You know, so northward a hall in Nidervellet of gold then rose for Sindri's race.

01:26:21.400 And Sindri's race is mentioned as Sindra Etter, or the family, or the people of, or the, in essence, the family of Sindri, the dark elves, the Svart elves, I mean.

01:26:36.140 And in Okolnir, another stood where the giant Brimmer, his beer hall had. And again, Ok is the place of oaks.

01:26:52.260 and so oftentimes this is kind of seen as a place within the east a place amongst the yotans so

01:27:00.120 there's not a ton of referencing as to uh you know the northward hall in neither valor and the

01:27:07.920 beer hall of brimmer in oak in uh the oak land or the uh the power of the oaked place and it's

01:27:15.920 it's kind of, again, perhaps alluding to stories that we've, we've lost in relation to especially

01:27:24.220 Okonir. Um, so again, uh, it's, uh, establishing as we're moving down and that I think is another

01:27:33.340 important point that you'll notice in the, in the poem that the Valla starts with the upper world 0.71

01:27:38.800 and then she moves to the middle world with Mimir's well, and then she speaks of the slaying

01:27:44.980 and now she devotes all of her attention to the lower the shadowed realm the place in which the

01:27:51.620 the tree of heaven its roots burrow into the shade of this place and and few know of it um

01:27:59.860 and in here she says uh a hall i saw far from the sun on now strond it stands and its doors face

01:28:09.380 north venom drops through the smoke vent down or the central place and from around the walls do

01:28:17.960 serpents wind and so now we're talking about hell guard and with an understanding of certain things

01:28:27.340 one a lot of people automatically jump to the act like oh snorty was a christian and so he's

01:28:33.640 gonna make hell guard very terrible because his understanding of like an underworld but i don't

01:28:38.940 think that's necessarily the case. I think that it's worth noting that our ancestors took to the

01:28:46.320 understanding that death was the opposite of wholeness, that it was the breaking apart place.

01:28:54.700 And so it was often seen as dark and mist. And that's because, again, they're relating

01:29:00.440 the mythos of death to its proper station, which is dark and grounding and dissipative.

01:29:08.940 Um, but there is clearly places in which on, uh, uh, that there stands a, um, kind of good and a bad. And she's, she mentions Naustrand, the, the nether beach. And, um, she talks about the door that faces North. Uh, again, one of the reasons this is mentioned is one, a North facing door catches the Northern wind, a cold wind.

01:29:34.900 It's also mentioned that Nipah's cave, Nipah means like a mound. And so it's, and I know it's going to laud some laughs, but it survives in our language, like in the same as like nipple. And it means like a pronging spot.

01:29:53.320 uh nipa's cave is is a cave inside a kind of a mound and it could be viewed as a kurgan or it

01:30:01.060 could be viewed sometimes as a natural structure but it's seen as the place that kind of juts up

01:30:05.920 in the north and that you know that the soul travels down that road and then that the door

01:30:14.220 that's awaiting it that faces the north is the ever-opening door of helgar because all things

01:30:20.560 must end and all things must die. Venom dropping through the smoke vent down. I mean, that's worth

01:30:25.940 noting the smoke vent of a hall and the idea that, um, venom doesn't necessarily just mean,

01:30:33.940 um, like from, uh, fangs. It was, it was the, the fetid process or the, the things that which

01:30:42.260 break down. And so all of Helgard is always associated with the, what I call the calamity

01:30:48.300 of Midgard. It's the, it's the all things that are used to catalyst and break apart and slowly

01:30:56.500 pull down. And it's, I think it's just an understanding that our ancestors had towards

01:31:03.260 death and that it was not entirely just Christianization. If that was the case, I would, 0.65

01:31:10.120 I would think like perhaps if he was bringing up concepts of like lakes of fire and things of that

01:31:15.520 nature he might have um that might have been an overstep but it's that is not the case and so

01:31:22.580 i think it's worth noting that there's a power in an understanding that our ancestors if they

01:31:29.060 accept us we can then move into sacred and held space but if we are rejected by that

01:31:35.240 then we find ourselves on naustron crossing you know the river gyal and the river slither and

01:31:42.740 finding ourselves there with, you know, the serpents and the, and the beasts of separation.

01:31:51.620 So again, the reason why I'm keying in on that is because a lot of, I would say, modern

01:31:56.600 Ausatru in one of its follies, as far as I would say, like, not even Ausatru, perhaps 0.94

01:32:02.060 Norse paganism is, they have a tendency, oh, that's Snorri's Christianization of the underworld,

01:32:08.240 and we don't have a place where there's like consequences and i would beg to differ yeah 0.94

01:32:14.320 that's that's silly and it's part of the

01:32:27.520 maybe childlike is a better word um so in anything in any new endeavor

01:32:37.760 in any great break from the norm, there's a period of infancy where you start out and

01:32:55.640 are first, literally like an infant or a child, you're first trying to get your bearings

01:33:02.800 on life and the world around you and it necessitates you know extremes and kind of a flailing period

01:33:16.120 where you're finding yourself and you're finding what's what and then once you understand that as

01:33:21.520 you grow and as you mature you move from that well asa true in its infancy in its modern stage

01:33:27.160 and the rebirth of house of truth there was a need to anything that christianity has

01:33:34.520 we can't have any point of commonality we have to be the opposite that's some of what i'd like

01:33:40.200 to talk about when i do get to some of the side questions on um lavey and crowley um

01:33:47.880 Um, this isn't that, no, there's, it's interesting that this is not a direct, um, reworking of hell, but with Viking or of Christian, uh, of Sheol or Tartarus, but with a Viking coat of paint.

01:34:08.260 it's different and one of the key points and i mentioned before when we started this last week

01:34:15.500 and other times that there are multiple levels to our lore on the first most basic level

01:34:23.040 naustrand is

01:34:26.560 bad and foreboding and scary and there's snakes like dripping venom spit on you and it's gross

01:34:37.520 and it's miserable and it's cold and wolves are trying to eat people and it's it's it's a messed

01:34:45.280 up place you don't want to be we understand that the further and deeper understanding of it

01:34:51.140 is it's a place of disillusion dissolving of breaking your components down into their

01:35:00.440 fundamental pieces because it is a place of recycling. Your soul, your you-ness, your

01:35:11.500 ek, along with other parts of your you, are found so worthless that not only do you not 0.97

01:35:22.540 have worth, but your existence is of negative value to our gods and our folk. And your pieces

01:35:29.980 are dissolved and literally recycled into something better than the creation that is

01:35:38.780 slash was you we don't believe that's the faith that's the fate of anyone who sins or anyone who

01:35:46.820 falls short of the glory of the gods as other faiths might put it but that is for people who

01:35:54.000 have defined themselves by their villainy who have defined themselves by their lack of character and

01:36:01.220 their lack of behavior their behavior that is so far beyond the pale that their existence is a

01:36:11.260 disgrace to our folk and our gods and it's one of the things you see a similar principle

01:36:17.140 when you read Tacitus.

01:36:21.640 I know it's probably pronounced Tacitus,

01:36:23.980 but it sounds funny.

01:36:25.060 It doesn't got good mouthfeel.

01:36:27.740 So we're going to call him Tacitus now,

01:36:29.720 just like we're going to call him Caesar

01:36:31.040 and not Caesar,

01:36:33.640 whatever I think the more appropriate Latin is.

01:36:36.520 Just sounds better.

01:36:38.120 Anyways, Tacitus, when he writes in Germania

01:36:40.560 about how thieves and murderers

01:36:44.480 and other folks are punished by their hung in trees

01:36:48.860 for people to see as an example of,

01:36:50.820 hey, this guy did something bad. 0.99

01:36:53.000 But certain things, and he mentions homosexuals and cowards, 0.98

01:36:59.060 those who flee in the face of danger, 1.00

01:37:02.360 that was so distasteful that, no, they put them in bogs

01:37:11.280 because they didn't want to be reminded they were all made less by the reminder of those people's

01:37:18.400 existence and so that's the idea here there's other forms of you not getting rewarded in the

01:37:25.920 afterlife but if you're on the strand you're being dissolved and repurposed into you know

01:37:34.560 so your component parts can be used for something much more worthy

01:37:40.240 and this this idea of dissolving parts of the soul

01:37:47.200 does have crossover into subjects that other folks in the chat are talking about in terms

01:37:52.640 of hermeticism and other western magical tradition there is some overlap there and

01:37:58.320 that's one of the things i wanted to make sure we weren't being too too hard on folks that maybe

01:38:02.640 aren't coming at this from an house of true perspective well it speaks here in in um

01:38:16.640 uh stanza 40 and it's worth noting there is another um poem uh comprised of called hauck spock

01:38:24.880 in which they pull one of the stanzas uh stanza 44 and kind of interlope it in here

01:38:30.720 And so some scholars have, you know, it's worth noting that at least in that one, there is a mention of it, but the verses are moved.

01:38:40.980 And I think that's, again, because in this part, there's repetition being mentioned, and verse 44 still doesn't migrate away from the realm in which the Vala is talking about the underworld.

01:38:57.200 So it doesn't necessarily even kind of contradict anything in Hauksbock, but here, you know, it's pulled in later, but it's, again, a part of a repetition that is established when, again, saying the poem and filling in sections of it with repetition in order to bridge to the next point in the verses is kind of what the poets are doing.

01:39:22.800 But, um, yeah, Auster sat in Altna i Irnvidi. So East sat in the old iron copses.

01:39:41.920 Oh, did I? Yes. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Sorry. I was. Thank you. Catching me on that one.

01:39:49.120 uh sorry let's jump it back first real quick i was i was concentrating on that interpolation part

01:39:55.660 that i that i jumped ahead um so there i saw wading through rivers wild the treacherous men

01:40:02.480 and murderers too and the workers of ill with wives of men and again that's an interesting one

01:40:11.040 too because uh when we you know when we talk about um the bond the bonded maidens um that are um

01:40:25.600 it's generally alluded to being like the troughful maidens of of men even though it's not

01:40:31.760 outright you know um mentioned it's it's spoken of is that these ladies are

01:40:37.200 of the bonding of oaths and so therefore they are wed women and um so that i you know i saw

01:40:45.920 their wading through the rivers wild and this again is the referencing to gyal which is the the

01:40:51.840 name gyal survives very much in our language like with the word yelp and so it's like a crying out

01:40:58.400 so it's the river of mournful cries and um you know they're they're wading through and in this

01:41:04.880 is you know there's treacherous men murderers wanton murderers you know ones that kill with

01:41:11.360 without um any you know sense and the workers of ill and balefulness and uh you know and the

01:41:20.320 treachery and cunning with bonded maidens uh and there need hogar need hogar is the is the the

01:41:31.200 corpse uh ripper or the the the consumer in the darkness the the thing that neve is kind of again

01:41:40.580 underneath it survives in our language with like nether or underneath so he's the like the the

01:41:46.820 nether um ripper uh is but again also in relation to corpses and as often poetically called the

01:41:55.300 corpse ripper because of the uh the souls washing up on on nastron's beaches and so i think it's

01:42:03.900 worth noting too like we had the one where it's like oh snorty christianizes everything and

01:42:08.300 there's that's just you know that's why you know helhan's kind of a downer man is because he's a

01:42:14.240 christian but on the other end i don't believe that there's like the all of the divine and holy

01:42:20.440 gods kind of descend into this underworld realm kind of measure your soul um against a feather

01:42:27.400 kind of uh thing and i have seen that alluded in in places and i think that what it does is um it

01:42:34.580 negates out some of the obvious um things as the gods you know witnessing us as we live um and in

01:42:42.340 essence marking our our fate the fact that they can administer doom or boon is part of that is

01:42:49.260 that they don't have to do that kind of in an end and it matters with every individual soul

01:42:54.420 because again i think that is ultimately uh you know not seen in our faith as a grand scale that

01:43:02.520 gods aren't um you know waiting for your individual soul to come down into hell guard so that they can

01:43:08.900 you know pull out the feather scale or whatever and and and and listen to your lawyer uh filca

01:43:15.480 I think that kind of goes in a very different mode 0.70

01:43:19.720 than what we see throughout most Aryan ethos. 0.98

01:43:23.660 But what we do see is that the culmination is 0.74

01:43:27.880 the final crossing into the land of our ancestors

01:43:31.940 is ultimately held by our ancestors.

01:43:34.960 Because if it wasn't, what would be the point of impressing?

01:43:39.480 What would be the point of giving piety and giving honor?

01:43:43.040 The idea is that you want to be reunited with them and that they, in essence, have some extenuating power to perhaps exclude you.

01:43:52.620 And you don't want to be in that position.

01:43:55.800 You don't want to be marked by the gods because of your ill deeds.

01:43:58.800 And you don't want to be outcast by your ancestors.

01:44:04.020 But if they had no part and play in it, then in essence, I mean, obviously to honor is to honor.

01:44:10.780 But the idea, again, is that you want to reconnect with them. You do not want to be judged by them as well as being of ill repute, to be a needling. And I think that's part of the siphoning. The reason why the souls are moving around is that there's this filtration process to refine the might of the souls of the folk.

01:44:33.200 And so, you know, you see the wading through the rivers, and there Nidhoggr, the blood of the slain, he sucks.

01:44:48.260 And the wolf, or the varkr, specifically the varkr, tear men.

01:44:54.800 Would you like to know more? Or, you know, would you know yet more?

01:44:58.380 um the the varkar are kind of in my observation of the faith is that these souls that pass through

01:45:08.760 the thresholds of kjol and slidr are left with no recollection of perhaps themselves but are

01:45:15.980 mindless savage varkar and varkar has a lot of meaning varkar is a wolf varkar is an outlaw

01:45:26.020 it is both and so uh somebody who to be titled as such is not a good thing it's it's a bad thing

01:45:33.120 it's it's um you know and i think that like when we i know ultimately it's going to bring up the

01:45:38.480 point of perhaps um bark in the the persona on uh that he is is um again you know a lot of that

01:45:47.980 was built on the idea that um oh the society that we have now is is a foreign it's christian it's

01:45:55.160 it's terrible. And so excluding all of that, I'm going to be this kind of edge 0.93

01:45:59.180 walking, savage wolf. And, um, I can see that kind of in a way and even to today,

01:46:06.100 but it's again, eliminating the, the joy of order and, um, kind of ultimately working against it.

01:46:14.300 So I wouldn't, you know, want to carry that on if, if I, if I was him in his elder age,

01:46:21.060 you know um but again little little love for for modern world and again it's a modern battlefield

01:46:27.440 that we have to fight on with a lot of things going on and and a lot of people just kind of

01:46:31.680 like like him he just wants to tune it out stand against it so um in that you know the in that

01:46:40.160 nastron where need all good and the vargar are are chewing up the the souls and then in turn 0.68

01:46:46.720 making them into Varga again and it's like these are the you know a good equivalency of the like 0.99

01:46:56.960 foul spirits if you could use the greek word demon in a way of of Naustron these these savaging

01:47:05.520 souls and then in the east the giantist of old in ironwood sat

01:47:12.160 um and you know and uh sorry and i i read that wrong because in the ice in the old norse it's

01:47:20.920 east oster sat in aldna um but in the english translation the east is mentioned in the second

01:47:30.260 line so it throws me off a little bit but um the uh the uh the aldna the elder being is of course

01:47:42.260 generally seen as the giant is the the yotness but it's not the word yotnar is not used it's

01:47:48.260 altna this elder thing um and of course they're referring to um uh

01:47:57.220 um by the gods i can't believe it's like i i'm reading and had it and had a complete

01:48:04.660 and other uh brain fart um the uh the bringer of bail the worker of of um i don't i guess

01:48:17.220 because i don't speak her name very often um uh chat help me out i need help i i can admit it

01:48:31.380 um the mother of fan race and jorman gander and hell is anger boda sorry i don't know if anybody

01:48:43.220 answered it or not i i'm actually looking at something else uh angraboda the the the breeder

01:48:50.420 of of misfortune and the bringer of the bearing forth if you will but let me see i want to see

01:48:57.060 did anybody answer that yes adam you got it sorry i wasn't actually looking at the script

01:49:03.780 or looking at the side i wasn't looking at the the chat script and uh good job yeah everybody's

01:49:09.380 hitting it angraboda angraboda um uh i'm sorry i just didn't hit me right away but yeah that's

01:49:18.740 what they're this is referencing to is the alda the ancient being that resides in the east woods

01:49:23.780 in the iron uh in the iron woods or iron vidi is angraboda she is the true and kind of

01:49:31.620 opposite of Sigyn,

01:49:34.860 the bearer 0.99

01:49:35.960 forth of the tripartite 0.99

01:49:38.200 of woe, 0.83

01:49:39.780 if you will, Fenris being

01:49:41.960 the most detrimental

01:49:43.720 in heaven, and Jormungandr being

01:49:45.920 the most static in the middle, and

01:49:47.960 Hela being the most

01:49:49.580 stasis and kind of unoffending 1.00

01:49:51.460 in Helgard, but given a kind of position

01:49:53.960 of function.

01:49:55.700 And so you see it as kind of, again, the closer

01:49:57.820 to heaven, the closer to the tree,

01:50:00.020 the closer to the roots, the closer to the gods versus the farther away. And that is really about

01:50:05.700 the dissipation of a cycle. And she represents that dissipation. So, you know, it says the

01:50:15.860 giantess of old in ironwood sat in the east and bore the brood of Fenrir. Now this could, again,

01:50:22.360 And some people have suggested perhaps this is Fenrir with Engroboda, but most likely with the usage of the word kinder, it means of the like.

01:50:35.580 So in Fenrir, Fenrir means the dweller in the fens. Fenrir's kind, Fenrir's ilk is that of the wolf, is that of the destructor, the consumer.

01:50:50.780 and among these ones 0.86

01:50:53.200 in monster's guise

01:50:54.360 was soon to steal the sun from the sky

01:50:56.960 and this of course is

01:50:58.440 referring to

01:51:00.860 Hathi and Skjol

01:51:03.000 that are later to be

01:51:05.160 mentioned, they're mentioned in

01:51:06.900 Grimnismal and

01:51:07.980 they're

01:51:09.640 the consumers of the light

01:51:13.060 the sun and the moon

01:51:15.020 This is really

01:51:16.880 an important point

01:51:18.080 um what does school and haiti mean okay so let's uh let me let me um go forth here

01:51:32.800 uh skull in is uh again the way that it's written is sk o with two dots over it um and

01:51:41.640 And I want to give the proper understanding.

01:51:49.140 Let's see.

01:51:50.520 And Hatti, again, referencing to consumption.

01:51:56.000 But let's see here.

01:52:00.660 Yeah. 0.97

01:52:01.580 So Skol in the sense of scornful, loud laughter.

01:52:11.640 the idea of like

01:52:14.260 it's

01:52:16.280 the laughter in the back of the room

01:52:18.500 when you fall

01:52:19.220 I threw that out there

01:52:24.020 as a

01:52:25.380 bit of a rhetorical

01:52:28.340 device because I know the answer because

01:52:30.260 it's really important

01:52:31.220 but the idea of mockery

01:52:34.200 there's something

01:52:36.480 said about

01:52:38.380 somebody who complains

01:52:40.340 but there's a further level of mockery and making fun of making light of laughing when

01:52:52.100 those who try to do good things stumble and yeah the other literally means one who hates

01:53:03.960 the haters as it were

01:53:06.500 this is profound

01:53:10.100 we see this in

01:53:12.440 also true we see this

01:53:14.520 in

01:53:15.160 pro white circles

01:53:18.500 that we are in

01:53:19.660 all of the time

01:53:22.060 and the truth plays out

01:53:24.480 the biggest element

01:53:28.500 that seeks

01:53:30.560 to ravenously devour

01:53:32.340 any light and good that we have are those that sit on the sidelines and criticize and hate on

01:53:45.100 everything you try to do and mock everyone who makes an effort this is the norse way of describing

01:53:55.640 the crab in the bucket in a profound and very meaningful way um

01:54:08.280 my my favorite so i'm trying to i wish you could find the text uh because it's

01:54:17.320 it means the world to me but one of the most meaningful

01:54:20.440 quotations i suppose

01:54:29.400 is um teddy roosevelt's a man in the arena speech because it's always it's always meant

01:54:41.160 a lot to me personally and it's really profound and i think it

01:54:45.960 think it encapsulates so much of what we talk about regularly so much of the struggle of the

01:54:57.160 afa over the decades now so much of the things that that we all deal with and very specifically

01:55:11.080 this concept and it's one of the bigger you know themes that i talk about

01:55:18.440 um is the idea that i was choose about doing and not about thinking and that it's very very

01:55:26.840 easy for people in mom's basement to criticize but it's much much harder to be out there doing

01:55:35.160 and making things happen but this has always been so meaningful to me the idea that the devouring

01:55:42.280 forces of chaos that seek to swallow the sun and swallow the moon are the haters and mockery

01:55:52.120 literally the critics and so uh indulge me um this is a part of uh teddy roosevelt's citizens

01:56:01.640 in a Republican, a citizen in a Republican speech.

01:56:05.280 Hold on one second.

01:56:06.840 Good night, baby.

01:56:07.440 I love you.

01:56:08.180 Can I get a hug?

01:56:08.660 Can I get a hug?

01:56:12.720 I love you.

01:56:14.960 I love you, too.

01:56:15.780 Sorry about that.

01:56:17.280 All right.

01:56:18.480 So, Teddy says, it's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong

01:56:26.120 man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.

01:56:31.640 The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust, sweat, blood, who strives valiantly, who errs, who comes up short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming.

01:56:49.940 But who does actually strive to do the deeds, who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly,

01:57:13.220 so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor

01:57:19.800 defeat shame on the man of cultivated taste lets refinement to develop in his fastidiousness

01:57:27.340 that unfits him for doing the rough work of the of the workday world um

01:57:37.620 we talk in also true one of the things that you'll encounter time and again is that we are

01:57:42.480 our deeds there are a great many that search for any excuse not to do not to accomplish not to

01:57:50.960 make deeds happen in the world one of the things that we've seen is the struggle to stay one step

01:57:59.520 ahead of the critics one step ahead of the naysayers one step ahead of the armchair quarterbacks

01:58:08.240 who always have something to say but never have anything to show for it

01:58:15.120 and this may seem like a strange aside but it's a really important theme and that's what i'm

01:58:20.160 trying to jump on in the velospa as it's setting the tone for the rest of our series that we're

01:58:25.200 doing on this the theme of staying one step ahead of the jaws of the wolf i always go back to the

01:58:33.680 name of the program and that's why it's called victory never sleeps is you can't let your guard

01:58:38.960 down even for a second because if you do the wolf is at your heels trying to devour you um

01:58:49.200 our big good versus evil split in aussitua's order versus chaos

01:58:54.960 but the continuation of order is an action and when you rest entropy sets in

01:59:04.140 the act of not doing leads to destruction because the forces that surround us of chaos

01:59:13.600 are always there with gaping maw one step behind us if we stop if we get lazy if we get full of

01:59:22.660 ourselves if we rest on our laurels we are devoured we always have to stay one step ahead of the wolf

01:59:31.620 and i just thought this is a poignant reminder of that and it sets a tone for the rest of our war

01:59:41.620 the scoffing um i've often spoke about that too is like the cynicism is the death of uh

01:59:50.900 a lot of things that are trying to be built up. It's a destructive force. You always find a bunch

01:59:59.280 of people building and focusing on inward and doing and creating and organizing and building

02:00:05.960 that structure. And then you'll find the one off on the side scoffing, the one that doesn't have

02:00:12.540 true criticism, but will just try to pick apart or create something or create a straw man or

02:00:18.160 simply just kind of gaslight you into believing one way. And that is the scoffing cynicism that

02:00:24.560 oftentimes plagues modern, perhaps with the omininity of the internet that creates that

02:00:35.900 scoffing-ness. But I remember somebody saying that, and this is something that made me think

02:00:45.160 about the nature of scoffing and hatred kind of in hand in hand but one often is the visual and

02:00:53.260 the other is like the hidden um intent is uh i remember somebody saying that uh uh in comparison

02:01:00.740 to some of the victories that we've gained in the uh australia folk assembly that uh they said uh

02:01:08.140 oh well christianity churches are everywhere that doesn't make them good or something like that or

02:01:13.020 Christianity is everywhere, and that doesn't make it good.

02:01:16.000 And kind of trying to, again, scoff against the achievements that have been attained 1.00

02:01:22.280 and ultimately the struggles that have been in order to make those.

02:01:27.740 But simply just looking at the end results.

02:01:32.580 Oh, well, the end results, if you've got glory and you've got victories,

02:01:36.100 there's other people that have it too.

02:01:38.660 That doesn't mean that it's good.

02:01:40.080 and that's this is the thing i just want to relate and i this is not because i'm clever

02:01:46.640 because this was a sick burn but it's posted a picture a while back of gothy rob stam at thors

02:02:00.160 doing a children's bloat with the children and somebody on twitter felt that that was

02:02:08.720 an appropriate thing to criticize and talk about how that place looks soulless and whatever 0.94

02:02:17.600 whatever nonsense they said and i wasn't trying to be a jerk i was trying to put it in perspective 0.63

02:02:24.160 and i said you know okay please show me you know a picture of how your children 0.97

02:02:33.840 do bloat in one of your Hoffs so I can see it, you know, so I can see how to do it right.

02:02:42.180 Well, I didn't, what I meant, what I really meant was, okay, you know, that's the thing.

02:02:50.360 The AFA is not above criticism. I personally am certainly not above criticism. I am a great

02:02:59.980 distance from perfection um but if one's going to criticize let's have a suggestion of of what we

02:03:11.020 could do to move forward better you know if you're going to come against us as if you know we've got

02:03:19.500 it all wrong and you've got it all right then certainly you have something to show for it that

02:03:26.060 is comparable or is greater

02:03:32.420 so we can all figure it out and move forward together.

02:03:36.060 It's not about being free from any criticism.

02:03:42.120 There's time for just and right criticism.

02:03:45.100 But there's a certain segment of folks

02:03:48.760 that think that criticism in and of itself

02:03:53.000 is a noble deed.

02:03:54.940 it and it's not it's a lack of deeds um

02:04:03.100 there's stuff and i noticed in the room earlier like i'm not i'm not ignorant i'm not unaware and

02:04:08.620 i don't think the other people in here aren't either absolutely when you're done with the

02:04:13.260 program if you want google about sewers in new york and crazy stuff if i'm in today

02:04:18.940 it's there it exists it's just not what we do

02:04:23.660 all of the thought that there's other groups of people out there holding us down

02:04:29.660 sometimes there are but what i see daily are our own people holding us down through defeatism

02:04:41.740 through mockery and through just petty nitpicky criticism if half of that energy was put towards

02:04:54.980 you know putting your shoulder to the wheel and pushing and making this go forward

02:05:01.140 it's amazing where we would be we'll get there eventually but we would get there a lot faster

02:05:08.720 with folks helping out instead of you know me me me nonsense if you got a better idea cool

02:05:18.400 better yet if you've got something you're doing that's better let us know we'll get behind it

02:05:23.280 but if you don't get on the team help push let's make stuff happen

02:05:26.080 um and correct me we're uh we're moving on to 41. yes i tend to hijack these that's why we've got

02:05:44.400 i didn't want to skip but i mean again very poignant parts and i think perhaps uh bringing

02:05:50.720 to light things um that have merit in especially in the l in the olden times to now um worth noting

02:06:02.640 uh let's see here there feeds he full on the flesh of the dead and the home of the gods he reddens

02:06:11.040 with gore and so the the um this of course to referencing a

02:06:20.320 to fenris and the idea of uh the idea of the the tainting of heaven by

02:06:30.340 the chaos wolf by the fenris by the dweller of the fen um

02:06:36.860 But it's, you know

02:06:40.120 It's again

02:06:42.280 Some people could take it to that

02:06:44.200 It's also in reference to Nidhogg

02:06:46.800 But the

02:06:48.160 The home of the gods is the key one

02:06:51.020 He reddens with gore

02:06:52.240 I think that is the

02:06:53.960 Again, a resurgence

02:06:55.980 Or a returning of

02:06:58.380 Fenris

02:06:59.640 To his home

02:07:01.740 Where he was raised

02:07:04.020 Which is the heavenly abode

02:07:06.520 and dark grows the sun and in summer soon come mighty storms would you know yet more

02:07:15.440 so now we begin to look at both Ragnarok and in the coming of the forces against the gods

02:07:23.840 and of kind of natural perhaps um indications so um

02:07:31.800 you know it's when when the time is to come there the the the one the red sullied chest

02:07:41.460 of fenris the one who who you know besmirched the gods with his with his um wantonness is now

02:07:50.820 return it is will return and the sky will grow dark uh and the storms will come and um some

02:07:59.520 people have gone into even like literalizing that like in the summertime there will be great storms

02:08:04.820 and then will come the fimble winter of three and so i i'm not um you know putting that forth or

02:08:12.360 anything like that but it's just it's interesting how the uh the referencing of time is used and

02:08:18.320 specifically summer summer uh does you know come the mighty storms and um this this one is interesting

02:08:28.640 too so now we get into um uh egg on on a hill there sat and smote on his harp egg through the

02:08:40.480 joyous the giants water so this again i think is referencing to the edge bound perhaps the the one

02:08:50.800 who presides over the edges of Jotunheim, but apparently in the usage of the harp, I think

02:08:59.940 that this is giving denote to perhaps a terrible sound. His name means is the edge cut, that which

02:09:13.880 is you know sliced and um he is you know joyous though he's the water of the yotnar and um

02:09:23.880 he sits uh above him there is a a cock in the bird wood crowned fair and red did fjallar fjallar

02:09:33.400 stand and so what's going on right now is the mentioning of the resounding sounds there is

02:09:41.480 the mention of the roosters in one in heaven one in midgard and one in the the world below

02:09:50.120 and why again it's so important to emphasize the the placement of the tripartite the upper the

02:09:57.640 middle the lower it's consistently emphasized over and over and over again and this again is

02:10:03.960 The sounding of, in the east comes this, the baying of the cock that crows, that now is the time in which the end of the gods is nigh and the Jotuns are to amass.

02:10:19.660 And then, of course, in heaven. 0.90

02:10:22.420 So it goes, you know, in 42, there's the Jotun who sits on the edge and he takes to note that the cock crows in Jotunheim.

02:10:33.960 and just as the same it appears again with uh lord heimdall that the and there then the gods

02:10:44.940 crowed gullen combi or golden comb and he wakes the heroes in odin's hall or in valhall and

02:10:53.960 beneath the earth does another crow a rust red bird at the bars or the the gates of hell and it's

02:11:02.240 the the crow is the the cock that is that crows in helgard is not mentioned by name and i have

02:11:13.040 seen poetic usages of it some people say because of the rust red uh you know it's the salt or all

02:11:20.000 the sooty red um like chicken or rooster honey uh the salt router um he is soot red black red and

02:11:32.240 um some people i have taken poetically to call them roi the combi or blother combi blood red

02:11:41.960 comb or but those are poetic usages not found in the lore just simply is not named

02:11:48.500 um in 43 it just says salt rather um sooty red um in 44 it says now garm and remember this was

02:12:00.720 interpolation that happened in haugsbach where it was back at 40. um but now garmer

02:12:09.360 howls loud at nipahel at the at the gates at the the entry point

02:12:16.880 and the fetters that hold him will burst and the wolf runs for now uh is this reference to the

02:12:24.480 wolf being garmer most likely not it's probably a reference to fenris because garmer was kind

02:12:30.640 of seen as a hound and not as a wolf but a lot of people do kind of make that mistake um or or you

02:12:38.720 know make that connection i should say uh but it's no he's howling in the gates of of that which is

02:12:44.480 dissipated that which we never come back from is now um shuddering and he's howling and then fenris

02:12:53.200 is loosened from his his uh chains in the east in the black lake you know where his slobber is

02:13:00.880 poisoning the water that flows into the middle world and the the sword that in his mouth in his

02:13:06.780 mouth is pulled um and you know it's uh the um the the wolf runs free much do i know and more

02:13:19.480 can see of the fate of the gods the mighty in fight and so now begins the the onslaught of

02:13:28.240 uh ragnarok brothers shall fight and fell each other and sister's son shall kinship stain

02:13:36.880 so and this is there's a lot of interpretation in this one and i really like the way he worded it

02:13:44.620 because I have seen some other ones where it's like, you know, perhaps the ideas like brothers

02:13:52.260 and sisters will lay together. And again, that is one of the interpretations of staining the

02:14:02.240 kinship is the sanctity of that and that just the absolute and wanton kind of immoral sense.

02:14:09.960 But and that's a tendency where I take it. But again, I want to be honest with it is that, you know, the the the kinship of the folk in just in general is is also being torn asunder.

02:14:28.660 There's no peace to be had between the folk.

02:14:33.420 And they fight each other and they fell each other. 1.00

02:14:37.260 Hard it is on the earth with mighty whoredom. 1.00

02:14:42.060 And that's the one I wanted to really look up, but we'll get to that in a second. 1.00

02:14:46.320 But it's an axe time, a sword time.

02:14:49.520 Shields are sundered.

02:14:51.780 Wind time.

02:14:53.440 Wolf time.

02:14:53.980 And again, in the translation is old is an age.

02:14:58.660 So it could be easily just said axe age, sword age, or a time like an epoch or an epic.

02:15:05.780 It's the epoch of the axe, the epoch of the sword.

02:15:09.040 It's the winding age.

02:15:10.660 It's the wolfing age.

02:15:12.700 Ere the world falls, nor ever shall men each other spare.

02:15:17.860 A great time of war and strife.

02:15:20.520 where all bonds between marriage and kinship are stained

02:15:26.180 and there's no return.

02:15:35.160 Yeah, so let me see here.

02:15:39.360 Where we were on that one?

02:15:42.100 Yeah, so the Hordom, the great Hordom,

02:15:49.440 Mikkel. Mikkel is the great. So it is the kind of sense of wantonness or the destitution, the immoral.

02:16:05.040 And again, a lot of people try to throw this, that Snorri's just, oh, there he goes, being a Christian again.

02:16:10.080 But I mean, the word is clearly in relation to whoredom is an Anglo-Saxon word.

02:16:16.480 hordormr is of course an old norse word it's not something where he's like you know stating

02:16:23.080 stuff about sodom and gomorrah or something from the bible i mean he's it is known it is a word

02:16:29.180 that can quantify a thing and that thing is again wantonness and and immoral impropriety and that's

02:16:36.880 why i often say you know it's like again uh also true is a moral religion and in the way it it

02:16:43.520 frames itself is based on order and anything against order is ultimately immoral, not necessarily

02:16:49.800 saying unnatural because disorder happens in nature quite often. And there's much that can

02:16:55.140 be said in nature that is natural, but we would never do it. And so, uh, we always, uh, stick to

02:17:04.340 the, to the premise of, um, morality versus whether it's, you know, happens in nature or it's natural.

02:17:11.860 No, there is immoralness that is worth to be noted.

02:17:18.380 And that is that that is this time, the time that is it.

02:17:21.360 So it's making kind of a reference to the prophecy of the of the earth being filled with strife and immorality or immoral behavior.

02:17:31.120 And brothers and sisters are and there's no kidship that that's sanctified anymore.

02:17:39.360 and so everything begins to dissolve and the hierarchy of life begins to break down

02:17:44.640 i think that's a really truly kind of powerful everybody seems to mention or or remember this

02:17:52.760 stanza in particular the axe age the the sword age the wind age the wolf age that's such a

02:18:00.220 very powerful um usage even when we translate it to our language it has a very very powerful point

02:18:07.940 But again, we see that because the perennial truths of our stories is that, again, it's not perhaps stating any but all times like that, and all ages like that, that we can see these cycles pass through.

02:18:25.520 So I don't know if it denotes to a singular thing or singular time.

02:18:36.320 And I think...

02:18:37.940 brings us elaborate on uh that does bring us to the end yeah I wanted to

02:18:47.000 so I went in and uh say goodnight to my daughter and I got back in time to catch spawns bit about

02:18:54.920 just because it could possibly be found in nature doesn't make it the natural order of things and I

02:19:03.560 that harkens back to what i was saying earlier the rule is based on the commonality not based

02:19:13.880 on the one exception or the one outlier mutation exists freaks exist but the reason freaks are

02:19:25.240 interesting and we you know marvel at them or are disgusted by them or have a strange reaction to

02:19:34.520 them is they deviate from the norm and from what is the right order of nature certainly you find

02:19:44.520 um deviations in nature that occur and we marvel at them because they are so odd in their occurrence

02:19:58.440 just because something could possibly be found in nature doesn't make it quote unquote natural

02:20:06.520 natural refers to the natural order of things and how things are supposed to work

02:20:11.800 and how things optimally work um the disruptions we see in nature are often omens of calamity and

02:20:22.280 bad things so i'm gonna finish up the text next week i need to confer with spawn and see what

02:20:33.640 kind of availability he's got on uh what we're gonna tackle after that but i do want to go over

02:20:43.400 um all of the poems of both vietas and it uh it's gonna take take some time but um this is

02:20:53.160 certainly a highlight of my week is getting here to spend time with fawn and with you guys um

02:21:00.520 talking about this that we book that we love so much um

02:21:08.600 i don't know if the car i um michael from yordshoff and his wife i don't know if they

02:21:16.760 are still in the room i know they asked a couple of questions i want to get to the questions now

02:21:20.680 that we didn't answer because they weren't directly about the text that we were covering

02:21:26.280 hopefully if they are still around they hear they're asking a little bit about my hammer

02:21:34.280 for anyone who can't see mine is um

02:21:39.240 modeled after one found in sweden from the 10th century in austra gauntland

02:21:47.640 again i'm putting it up to the deal but i'm

02:21:49.960 gonna change my view here so i can see if you guys can see something decent or not

02:21:54.180 Anyways, that's what mine was modeled after.

02:22:01.440 This one was made by a private guy in 2014, 2015.

02:22:16.060 But it's the same pattern of the very, very first one I had.

02:22:20.300 and I don't want to go I think she's asleep now I don't want to wake her by rooting around in there

02:22:26.460 but I gave my very first hammer to Aubrey and it's a it's a brass version of that same model

02:22:34.960 that I found in I think it was called the museum store it was back when malls were a thing it was

02:22:45.600 at the fifth avenue mall in anchorage alaska it was a museum store and they had all these things

02:22:51.360 on there but they they had a couple of different versions of thor's hammer on there and it was

02:22:57.440 exciting to me as as someone who'd newly come home to house the truth that that this was there and

02:23:03.520 there was all kind of other stuff and there was egyptian things and there was all kind of different

02:23:08.160 stuff but the fact they had a couple of uh mjolnirs there was was really nice and that was my first

02:23:15.120 so this is modeled after that um i'm not sure if that's the one you mentioned in the question

02:23:20.800 that's the one your husband has not sure but i'm looking forward to meeting him at uh

02:23:27.840 charming of plow at new york's hof so we can compare at that point and see if it is the same

02:23:33.600 one or not yeah you know uh and i'm hoping because i mean we got to through all this

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02:24:28.640 ah okay she is on here great emily i'm glad that you got the answer to your question

02:24:33.120 i know you guys were heading off for the night you guys have a good night we'll talk to you later

02:24:37.120 um

02:24:41.360 we're gonna do them regardless but we'd like to do them with an audience that's getting the most

02:24:45.600 out of them so your suggestions are important otherwise it's just me and swan on here doing

02:24:51.040 it but we're gonna get all the way through the attic homes uh we will hopefully do more after that

02:24:56.400 um you guys have been awesome our audience on victory never sleeps has been amazing it is a

02:25:02.880 much greater feedback and reach than i could have anticipated when we started this 78 episodes ago

02:25:12.720 so thank you guys so much um but yeah we do we want to hear what what you guys like um which

02:25:19.200 guys don't what uh you think would be a cool idea we're always open to that feedback because it helps

02:25:26.160 us, you know, it helps us refine this and do the best we can. We're not going to take

02:25:32.780 everybody's suggestions all the time. Sometimes they're bad suggestions, but we still want

02:25:36.880 to hear them so we know one way or another. So our first question is actually was submitted

02:25:43.260 before the stream started from Tyler Bethea, one of our folk builders, actually. I often

02:25:51.320 hear that galder in its historical practice did not entail the chanting of a room but was more

02:25:59.000 like a song can you speak on the differences between our practice of galder and the way it

02:26:05.400 was supposedly done in elder times also why do we do it the way we do okay so i'll separate these

02:26:13.720 um because i want to get spawns responses on these and i'll respond afterwards um

02:26:19.160 What's the difference between the Galdr that we do today and the Galdr that supposedly

02:26:26.220 was done in elder times that is different than our Galdr?

02:26:32.860 Svahn has grown silent.

02:26:47.140 oh no i didn't know if you wanted to if you were going to take it

02:26:50.020 no no i want you to to opine on this i think exactly where this is coming from and i think you

02:26:56.660 do too so okay i guess what historical examples of galder do we have to go on

02:27:09.620 well that's the interesting thing is it's it's never fully quantified

02:27:13.700 It's a magical spell

02:27:21.140 It's a magical song

02:27:22.940 It's a magical perhaps poem

02:27:25.100 As we know when we were joking

02:27:26.940 In the past episode about Rimir

02:27:29.620 And there is not a very big gap

02:27:33.960 Between song, poem and speech

02:27:37.680 And sound in general

02:27:39.420 um but to to quantify what exactly it looks like i mean generally it's always

02:27:45.320 spoken of as being this magic these magical songs or of a magical song and so it's i think

02:27:52.720 it's worth noting that um galder is uh that's where it gets interesting okay i can tell you

02:28:01.920 in the past, there's no definitive like, oh, this is Galder. So that's 100% there, but we do know

02:28:11.180 that. Whoa, whoa. Skoll and Hathi have proposed that they know what original Galder was like,

02:28:23.120 and it's very different than what we do. Surely we have lots of instances of that. Do we not?

02:28:31.920 Again, from my study, Galdr is based around the idea of creating or weaving together a magical spell or a magical sense.

02:28:47.240 Galdr is utilized in Icelandic as, again, it's not specific. It's very broad.

02:28:55.240 uh when we talk about the usage of it though in relation let's let's talk first about

02:29:02.000 i guess proto sounds of runic no no no i'm gold examples that we have obviously have lots of

02:29:11.940 of ancient gothar performing galder that's not running

02:29:18.100 because i've missed those in my study but but surely you've come upon those

02:29:23.760 no and that's the thing is gold is is um i mean it's referenced in rigstula that

02:29:32.220 rig teaches konig the runes he teaches him how to speak this the the words or the songs or the

02:29:42.560 spells um and there i think is one of the references to golder um don't quote me on it just yet though

02:29:50.400 I'd have to actually physically go through and look at it.

02:29:53.800 But again, the implication there is that there is the singing of spells

02:29:57.800 because the runes and the tines are connected to magic.

02:30:02.580 And what Galdr is, is not always seen as a specific thing.

02:30:09.080 It is kind of an encompassing thing.

02:30:11.760 And so I think...

02:30:12.660 Please continue with your Galdr,

02:30:14.360 but for the audience that may not be in on the in-joke,

02:30:17.500 i'm obviously being facetious there's not a lot of examples of historical galder

02:30:26.320 um everything swan is saying is absolutely correct about it but there is a certain group

02:30:33.960 of folks out there that posit that somehow we're doing it wrong and i'm trying to you know kind

02:30:40.780 jokingly prods fawn for the the sources we have of of the the right way to galder which

02:30:49.580 unless there's a source that perhaps he knows that i don't know those sources don't really exist that

02:30:54.700 way so please carry on about galder because it's an important topic and i want people to

02:31:01.980 learn more about it even outside of the the criticism well and when i was going through

02:31:10.380 my runic studies and being taught by um my teacher he spoke of the fact that the breaking down of

02:31:18.700 galder into its proto sounds ultimately is kind of like broad strokes to finite

02:31:25.900 and what you were talking about earlier the understanding of the proto sound

02:31:30.220 and the vocalization of it is an in in a way a way of opening up that cordage of power in

02:31:38.780 reference to the runes but one of the things that i was taught was that ultimately what you would do

02:31:44.940 is layer it within a poem or within a song or within a prayer these elements that you are

02:31:53.820 trying to invoke we know the sounds to the symbols but the the problem that people want to kind of

02:32:01.340 create that disconnect is that somehow the sounds and the symbols are just perhaps maybe mundane

02:32:08.140 things and have nothing to do with the runes that rig taught konig and that there's some

02:32:14.220 some sort of disconnect and that i think is another you know grave error it's just ironic

02:32:23.100 coming from the same people that like oh they made their own rune set when we were talking

02:32:27.340 about the folk food dark um and but what we use it for is for writing so some people in in circle

02:32:36.460 yet skull does howl right um well and it's like uh okay the runes and galder are separate

02:32:47.020 and the runes and the writing are for writing but golders i want to i want to make a couple of

02:32:54.460 i apologize spawn the chocolate shop uh vino is uh activating my veritas here um

02:33:10.300 so okay completely objectively i don't think we have any specific

02:33:19.020 for lack of a better term lyrics of a traditional gothic galder

02:33:26.640 in the time of our ancestors but we have a couple of pieces

02:33:33.640 we know that vocalization of magical intention is really important

02:33:45.960 we've talked about vocalization as it results in creation both Odin and Ymir have names that imply

02:33:57.240 the Roarer or roaring we have the the uh um

02:34:04.860 um in various ways meaning estuary or mouth as well as the gods the idea of

02:34:15.520 incantation which shares the same root as chanting is the primitive you know casting of a spell

02:34:24.800 it's done through vocalization and singing a spell into existence

02:34:30.480 did our ancient gothar chant runes i don't know but they chanted making rhythmic chanting sounds

02:34:38.720 at least the warband did to intimidate their foes and to win victory called the baratas

02:34:47.040 and that was a common practice beneath the shields of a chant

02:34:53.280 we know in related branches of aryan religion that mantra became very important

02:35:01.120 we also know in the runatal the portion of odin's uh halvamal the sayings of the high one

02:35:14.320 where it's called odin's rune songs where the idea of galder and runes are connected in in a literal

02:35:26.760 way so we have all of those things

02:35:35.240 it's important to note

02:35:39.080 neither spawn or myself have ever told you

02:35:43.560 that for sure the ancient gothar used to galder ruins in the same way that afa gothar in 2024

02:35:52.920 currently golfer roots

02:35:56.840 but i can't tell you they didn't and i think that if you give an honest look at our war there's a

02:36:02.680 lot of reason to believe that there's some very powerful similarity there um

02:36:11.800 but so he's there's more layers to the question and again

02:36:15.800 i'm reacting the way i am because i know where the question originates

02:36:22.680 and it very much is the phenomenon i talked about a little while ago about

02:36:27.780 the wolves devouring the sun and moon

02:36:30.680 there's a group of people that a big part of their existence is suggesting that the way that

02:36:39.580 we're doing things is incorrect yet our galder is manifesting amazing things into our reality

02:36:47.740 rather than heckle our song i wish they would participate with us and sing along

02:36:54.500 um but there's more there's more chunks here so

02:37:00.240 okay we so first question is can you speak to the differences between our practice of

02:37:08.120 and the way it was supposedly done in elder times and i think we went through that

02:37:13.880 why do we do it the way we do as opposed to the way it was done back then

02:37:21.960 and so we have no example of how it was done back then other than the instances that i mentioned

02:37:31.080 but i will tell you the reason that we do it the way that we do currently the earliest

02:37:38.120 The version of that that I am familiar with is probably writings of Edred Thorson in, I don't know if he mentions it, in Futhark or if it's a later work.

02:37:57.500 But when is Futhark? Is that like 78 or is that in the 80s?

02:38:08.120 Svahn, do you know another, as far as you know, what's the earliest example of Galdr in the way that we currently do it in the AFA, or similar?

02:38:21.700 I believe it is marked in the Futhark book by Edward Thorson, and I think, again, his intention was to point out what most likely is of Galdr of our ancient ancestors is alliterative sounds.

02:38:38.120 And so he was focusing on the idea of goldering the sounds.

02:38:42.520 But when you look at like the Merceberg spells or the Merceberg charms or whatever, you know, what you'll notice is the way they're written is that it's alliterative.

02:38:55.460 And so we have these continuous sounds.

02:38:59.460 I'm trying to think of the placement of the Merceberg charms.

02:39:04.860 but there's like mention that uh that woven or vol and vol then are riding and balder's horse

02:39:14.460 is strained but then there is you know sinfield and suna and then there is frega and fulla and

02:39:21.980 you notice that there's this kind of again so you could you can almost break up the um

02:39:28.780 the runic layering of each of those based on the sounds that are being used that there is the the

02:39:34.620 the wunyo the wv and then there is uh the bjarkan and there is the suelo and then there is the

02:39:43.020 fehu and there almost seems to be like this charting pattern i think that's what what edward

02:39:49.260 thorson's kind of alluding to is that golder of the past and and also to the present because i

02:39:55.100 was taught that the way it was was that you could start off by creating these proto sounds but

02:39:59.740 ultimately that you would weave together these alliterative prayers songs and chants utilizing

02:40:07.100 those proto sounds with an intent uh if you wanted to create um a sense of um joy

02:40:17.900 then you would use the word like uh in the in the um prayer for the land whites one of the

02:40:24.940 most important galders that i do uh continuously almost at the beginning of every bloat is i i say

02:40:32.220 you know those that wish us woe wend your way from here and those that wish us wheel are welcome in

02:40:38.780 our halls and again reiterating the wunyo aspect and that's the spell itself and a lot of people

02:40:46.140 would not catch that as being a galder because they would only perhaps see it as just the proto

02:40:51.580 sounds but i think that edward thorson's ultimate intention was to place that you have to understand

02:40:58.220 the proto sounds and their meanings in order to incorporate them and formulate them as a scald wood

02:41:05.580 in poetic sense and i would even argue to perhaps even in posturing sense um the idea

02:41:13.980 oh go ahead no carry on i didn't mean to interrupt you well and my my runic teachings was that there

02:41:23.100 was an extra even uh extenuated level so there was the proto sound and the proto sound and its

02:41:29.460 understanding could then be woven into poetic form in a literative sense and the usage of how many

02:41:35.840 times you did it was important whether you did it three times or four times or six times or nine

02:41:41.440 times there was a kind of a literative uh structure or equations that you were working towards the

02:41:48.640 other was was actually physically uh denoting it so like i i don't know if anybody's ever caught it

02:41:54.880 but during certain symbols uh at the the last one i can really recall is is that austera last year

02:42:02.000 was I was doing Galder and Stavr or Standa at the same time during my speaking during the third

02:42:16.760 round, you know, and utilizing the idea of the joy that comes from, and this, of course, being

02:42:22.040 Wunyo, and, you know, again, the roving forward is, so I was even taught by my rune teacher that

02:42:30.320 there's a level in which there's posturing that the skull does that also invokes the the

02:42:37.760 rune and the power of what that rune represents so i i come from at a very different angle is that

02:42:45.320 it's it's actually all encompassing that the proto sound can then be formulated into intricate song

02:42:51.000 an intricate spell and then you could also add your body well i'd like to add some so this portion

02:42:59.360 of the question is about well why do we do the stuff we do now instead of this awesome primary

02:43:07.580 source way that our ancestors used to do it and it's tongue-in-cheek we have no primary source of

02:43:13.540 how our ancestors used to do it in any way that's comprehensive but a lot of it is is drawn from

02:43:20.900 that so as fun mentioned there's these tones and vibrations different rooms can be in or are best

02:43:32.580 in tuned um or in tone i guess rather from your diaphragm from your chest from your nasal cavity

02:43:42.340 depending um as spawn mentioned sometimes they evolve into not merely just the sound

02:43:52.740 but in a way a bit of a dance or a physical interpretation where there's hand um

02:44:01.540 stuff i forget what today what the hand version is there's stata galder

02:44:05.780 which is like standing in runic poses while you're doing some of these things

02:44:10.580 um i've done examples on the show a lot because mike alder is pretty simple because again

02:44:17.160 it frees my mind up i think you see the evolution of the the repetitions when you see mantra work

02:44:25.420 in indian like vedic practice because that's an evolution and you see a

02:44:32.080 an importance in the number of times it's done.

02:44:37.160 But what also sometimes we do,

02:44:40.760 and it depends on the occasion, 0.99

02:44:42.160 sometimes we'll have the ladies do one Galdar

02:44:44.900 while the men are doing a complimentary Galdar.

02:44:50.460 Or sometimes you'll have a couple of people

02:44:53.380 leading a Galdar doing quick sounds

02:45:01.680 that are associated with

02:45:03.400 runes in the midst

02:45:05.340 of a more elongated runic

02:45:07.260 Galdar.

02:45:10.720 Edred

02:45:11.360 Thorson, when he writes in his books

02:45:13.280 about Galdar a little bit, his emphasis

02:45:15.320 is a lot on the vowel sound

02:45:17.340 and sometimes a

02:45:18.760 repetition of the consonant

02:45:21.320 sound. But again,

02:45:23.480 repetition of certain

02:45:25.320 syllables in the Galdar is

02:45:27.420 important.

02:45:29.200 Alliteration in the Galdar is important.

02:45:31.680 the intonation of the vowel noise in the golf is important and depending on what you're trying to

02:45:36.640 accomplish um harmony or diversity of sound and seeing where it plays out all have their their

02:45:47.760 purposes in golf um but this is kind of a fundamental and snippiness aside

02:45:56.960 we don't have a lot of information on how our most ancient ancestors galdered so we can sit with that

02:46:06.640 and um and navel gaze about it or we can galder we can try different things

02:46:17.900 we can see what works and establish that as tradition and move forward with it

02:46:25.160 we can find things that don't work very well and discard those and not use those

02:46:31.640 and to suggest that there's not a

02:46:41.080 so futhark was released in 1984 so to suggest there's not a 40-year tradition of galder work

02:46:49.000 that has been successful and continues to do so is dishonest um also true has been around for 55

02:47:00.600 years this year in a modern context and we have a rich tradition of galder work we have galder work

02:47:10.760 that i have personally experienced the success of on many different occasions

02:47:20.680 if you know on the other side of the veil i can speak with a gothy from our distant past

02:47:26.520 and ask him how he did galder i would love to hear it and i'd love to learn from him

02:47:32.440 and hopefully by the time i find myself there he can learn from some things that maybe i've figured

02:47:39.560 out. But I look forward to that discussion. Then the last question, but it's worth answering

02:47:47.180 because it's part of that question. Do we have an example of the way it was supposedly done back

02:47:56.480 then? Svon, are you aware of any examples of Galder in the ancient Ausatru period that I didn't

02:48:06.860 mention or i'm not aware of well the only thing i could think of again is and i actually just

02:48:14.140 typed it up and looked it up was um the merceberg charm in which lord wolven speaks over the

02:48:21.740 injured hoof of balder's horse and he says uh bone to bone blood to blood limb to limb

02:48:31.260 as if they were mended and that is that is the charm or the spell or the

02:48:39.900 galder uh because that's what galder means again in old norse and in modern icelandic that's the

02:48:46.460 galder part of that poem is is that he's and again he's re-emphasizing doubles which i think

02:48:53.420 is interesting um and that and actually the entire mersberg charm does that as well um you know it's

02:49:00.780 so that in the first half there's doublings of the wunio or the the v w sound and then it shifts

02:49:17.820 over into the um soul willow sound with sing good and suna and then with freya and and folla or fulla

02:49:27.260 you know and then back to

02:49:30.760 and then he speaks the song

02:49:32.760 and says like the blood sprain

02:49:34.820 to so blood sprain

02:49:36.800 so joint sprain bone to bone

02:49:38.820 blood to blood

02:49:39.540 you know and joint to joint

02:49:42.300 as if they were mended

02:49:43.500 I think that's the only attestment

02:49:46.360 but it's worth noting

02:49:47.260 when did the

02:49:48.240 that was written

02:49:51.440 speculated to be recorded by a cleric

02:49:56.640 in the 10th century so that's about as far back as i think i could go as far as um that but the

02:50:05.260 reason why i say that so specifically is because it's in the title merceberg charms or the merceberg

02:50:11.920 spells um the incantations which is what galder is and again a lot of people that bemoan the

02:50:20.900 origins of galder or the bemoan the idea of like oh well you know doing the proto sounds of the

02:50:26.620 runes is just kind of not correct. It's like, but then they'll look at perhaps say again,

02:50:32.280 the mantras of, of other faiths further to the East and just relish with joy. But I mean,

02:50:40.900 the Galder is in essence, the mantra of our, our faith. And it, it spans from

02:50:48.400 proto sound to super intricate, even to the point where you're speaking it or saying it in song

02:50:55.720 form, and it might not be eligible right out of the gate. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I do the

02:51:06.880 opening prayer for the Leo Salvar prayer, and there's a gulder right at the end of it, but

02:51:13.920 nobody really catches it because it's just, it sounds like I'm trying to be, well, poetic, and I

02:51:20.680 am but it is a golder that's another thing i've seen in modern aussage who practice is singing

02:51:28.920 singing prayer and it's also to kind of loop back around to the beginning of the conversation here

02:51:37.720 that the rhythmic nature of reamer i think is really powerful in terms of that as well

02:51:47.000 but short answer to the questions no we have no idea how ancient gofar used to galder specifically

02:51:54.980 we know that it means intoning magical intent towards your spell work and i imagine that can

02:52:02.840 be done many many different ways we have and usually when we talk about galder it's specifically

02:52:11.240 runic galder and we have you know 40 years of of runic galder tradition that's evolved and been

02:52:19.000 very very useful and very profound uh in modern house of truth so you know there's a number of

02:52:27.320 different historic examples of how intoning magical intent has worked amongst our folk

02:52:38.200 there's a variety of those but no we have no this is how the ancient people did galder

02:52:43.800 and the rest is not official ancient gold and there's no reason to believe

02:52:55.960 in opposition to or cannot or should not include runes one of you know our biggest pieces of lore

02:53:05.320 is the runatal which is literally odin's rune songs um so there's that um

02:53:19.480 uh real mage asks

02:53:25.480 and i hope our stream is running my camera seems to be frozen over here

02:53:29.800 uh we're experiencing a winter storm though where i am at uh since we've been on this broadcast

02:53:35.160 we've got like a foot and a half of snow um if you're still with me swan what about

02:53:42.440 worshiping saxon he's a germanic god anglo-saxon okay so the um when we talk about the idea of hype

02:53:58.120 we don't hypostasis one of the first things that i think is really important is that we look at

02:54:03.480 parallels. For instance, if you were to look at the name Nerthus in Tacitus' Germania and the

02:54:13.080 etymology of that word being the thing underneath or beneath you, again referencing to the earth,

02:54:21.160 and then in reference to Yarth in Old Norse, then there's linguistic parallel. But for certain

02:54:28.780 divine beings, there is not a linguistic parallel. So you can't 100% say, oh, well,

02:54:39.260 Saxonaut is, you know, Freyr, or Lord Tyr, or what a lot of people try to jump to the

02:54:50.200 conclusion. What I have a tendency to follow then is that when we talk about the elevated

02:54:57.200 beings there is a possibility that the being is divine and elevated singularly amongst a group

02:55:04.060 of people that like you said the anglo-saxons so if that's the case we know that the exaltation of

02:55:14.020 the of beings within tribal groups can extend in multiple levels or perhaps even to the point where

02:55:22.540 the person is no longer a representation of the person or that the, the God is a God. We don't 0.59

02:55:28.680 know. So I would say that they would be listed as amongst aligned with the gods, sacred oust

02:55:37.940 veneer, the beloved ones, if you will. But to what degree are they, you know, we were talking

02:55:44.840 about this with, um, the Phrygian goddess Nahalania as well, this past, um, Gothar conference that we

02:55:51.900 had last week. And we were talking about the usage of, what about Saxnot? What about

02:55:57.640 Nehalenia? What about Frau Hola? What about Frau Parchta? And we're talking about deeply 0.62

02:56:04.980 regionally connected divine beings. And I would say that it would be best to honor them

02:56:12.540 as they are, but to understand that they are deeply connected to the local and we don't

02:56:20.280 have an example of them being more broad. We do sometimes have this. For instance,

02:56:27.740 Wayland amongst the Anglo-Saxons and Volander. And Wayland is semi-divine amongst the Anglo-Saxons.

02:56:35.660 And again, that's why I bring up the point that we don't know 100% to what level

02:56:41.160 the divine beings were held in esteem by those people. Was Saxonot a god elevated

02:56:50.280 from or was seen as one of the gods and it's not fully understood or mentioned because it's again

02:56:57.400 outsiders or speak of sex not without any context so i would say the best thing to do is to honor

02:57:05.120 them within context that you have anglo-saxon folk um or if they're spoken of during sumble

02:57:13.380 I don't see why there would be any reason to reject a hail towards Saxon or Nahalania, just as much as I wouldn't see any against perhaps Beowulf or Sigurd, though Sigurd and Beowulf clearly are no longer kind of even resembling perhaps a mortal.

02:57:37.900 they are now something more, something bigger, a hero, semi-divine, or what have you. When we

02:57:45.600 talk about the divine, we talk about it again in alignment to the gods and against. And so there

02:57:51.520 are layers of that hierarchy. And I don't think it would be of any offense for someone who feels

02:58:00.520 connection to um their anglo-saxon roots to honor sax knot but we do see it again

02:58:10.360 weyland and volander or oster and ostra um the east the eastern the goddess of the dawn um

02:58:21.960 is clearly linguistically connected throughout all aryan branches and one of the one of the

02:58:27.320 clearest and most prominent um so that's another reason why in the afa we honor austra as and i i

02:58:36.840 call her a heavenly warden because of her connections to the machinations of the sky

02:58:43.240 and uh seasons but um you know again we the the pan-arianness of the afa does lend to it but you

02:58:54.200 You might find some people do not honor sex, not because they don't want to.

02:58:58.860 It's because they see as more of a regional or cultural or specific.

02:59:03.920 But I don't think anybody would turn their nose up to it.

02:59:07.000 It's just it ends up being kind of peripheral.

02:59:10.520 And that's, again.

02:59:11.300 Here's the thing.

02:59:12.120 There's, there are, it is natural for people to want the most easily accessible list of thou shalt, thou shalt not, this is this, this is that, everything is 100% black and white.

02:59:40.800 there's no gray we have a defined list of these are exactly things that are worthy of worship

02:59:46.640 and anything else is verboten that's really clear and easy to define

02:59:58.240 our job as priests of the iser isn't to make it easy it's to do it right and the thing is

03:00:06.880 there are countless local deities that are completely appropriate for worship and giving

03:00:15.540 honor to. Same thing with heroes and numerous other entities that have ascended above

03:00:23.820 the level of mortal humanity. Well, where do we stop? Where do we start? A lot of people will

03:00:33.980 endlessly have that conversation they'll have that conversation when they're young

03:00:39.740 they'll have it when they're middle-aged they'll have it as old men and they'll die 0.89

03:00:44.860 with the same question on their mind we've decided to pick the gilthagening

03:00:53.820 to use that as our template to say this is this and that's that we've done this

03:01:00.780 then we can expand and re-evaluate if we want to add to it but what we don't want to do is set

03:01:10.680 hard and fast rules that eliminate gods of our folk from being worshiped because we don't have

03:01:17.280 a good understanding of them what we don't want to do is make the assumption at random

03:01:26.040 sex not equals tear sex not equals fray other ethnologists religious scholars have made those

03:01:36.920 suggestions perhaps they're true but if we don't know we don't have a sincere reason to believe

03:01:45.280 one way or another but it's just easier might as well treat him as a separate deity

03:01:51.040 like i said if we double up and tear gets two rounds of worship cool if lord frayer gets two

03:02:00.120 different kinds of worship under you know two different names awesome but it would be terrible

03:02:09.200 if we remove saxonaut from existence and from the memory of our folk

03:02:15.320 because we're too lazy to try to figure it out

03:02:19.740 and so that's something we want to avoid doing

03:02:23.180 and it's really important

03:02:24.260 we have the gods and goddesses listed

03:02:29.100 the way we understand them right now

03:02:31.060 it doesn't exclude local deity

03:02:34.240 as those are limitless

03:02:38.260 in the course of Aryan expansion

03:02:41.660 but we do want to know what we're doing 0.99

03:02:44.940 and want to have a good reason

03:02:47.220 to formalize and codify the worship of a particular deity.

03:02:53.760 And we want to build those relationships in a sincere way.

03:02:58.280 Oftentimes people,

03:03:04.600 especially young and especially new people,

03:03:08.900 like to try to find as much way to be different as they can.

03:03:15.680 So they just pick something obscure and throw it out there

03:03:18.800 because they've got to be different.

03:03:21.440 That's not a good enough reason to do so.

03:03:25.480 But we're not going to exclude the worship of any of the gods and goddesses of our folk

03:03:29.580 unless we have a good reason to do so.

03:03:38.820 Hi there.

03:03:39.600 and i don't know if this was voice to text or just what you know anton levey question mark

03:03:49.940 no as in negative not no as in aware of but again i assume maybe this is a voice to text

03:03:58.640 if that's the case yes i'm aware of anton levey i'm aware of the church of satan and a little bit

03:04:07.740 about LaVey's ideas?

03:04:12.440 Couldn't say I'm a, I'm an expert on NIMS.

03:04:15.580 Svahn, are you an expert on Anton LaVey?

03:04:19.420 No, no.

03:04:20.820 Preaching, do you know a lot about Anton?

03:04:22.560 Do you know significant amount about Anton?

03:04:24.900 I mean, I know a little bit,

03:04:27.760 I know a little bit that's been mentioned in sources

03:04:31.460 in relation to his, you know,

03:04:34.420 kind of degenerate ways in you know california san francisco and and all of whatever he was

03:04:42.980 doing over there but outside of that i don't really know a ton um while you're doing this

03:04:49.540 i'm gonna lump this in because i don't see a subsequent question that addresses it um

03:04:56.260 um do you have thoughts about LaVey and Crowley and that sphere of things because that was getting

03:05:11.620 talked about in the chat a little bit I don't see a lot of subsequent questioning so how would you

03:05:19.120 contextualize

03:05:20.720 I don't know

03:05:24.160 early 20th century

03:05:26.820 19th and 20th century

03:05:29.840 spiritualism

03:05:31.600 slash satanism

03:05:33.040 as relates

03:05:35.120 to

03:05:36.080 Alcetru

03:05:37.520 hmm

03:05:39.660 well I think that

03:05:42.640 in relation to

03:05:45.200 Crowley and his usage

03:05:47.260 of spiritualism at the product of his time.

03:05:50.640 When we talk about the Theosophical Society,

03:05:53.300 Madame Blavatsky, all of those groups of people

03:05:56.340 kind of moving and mingling about it around that time,

03:05:59.520 there was a sense of they were breaking

03:06:02.900 the cohesion of society.

03:06:05.340 They were questioning and doing things that were quite odd,

03:06:09.200 oftentimes very garish and shocking,

03:06:11.680 with the intended purpose of being garish and shocking.

03:06:14.800 um in a lot of ways they they were promoting i think what is not in any way related to alice

03:06:25.020 true when we think of order and we think of the self being a part of the whole that there's a

03:06:31.100 tribe and a group of people what crowley perhaps and i'm speaking not of maybe perhaps i'm not

03:06:37.540 super familiar with a lot of his ritual works or his his um structurings but i am familiar with some

03:06:43.560 his kind of wild and crazy things that he did and proclaimed and said uh with the intent that

03:06:50.600 the individual was somehow to break free from the the collective mundane of of society whereas

03:06:59.080 we see that the individual as a member of the folk member of a group and i think that

03:07:05.960 lave really expounded on that even more even to the point of just again it was about sticking

03:07:12.200 a thumb in society's eye in collectivism's eye and that's why it's so viciously built on um you

03:07:21.480 know fulfilling self-indulgent singular don't think about anyone else you need to think about

03:07:28.280 yourself it's rude to think about other people uh you're stepping on their toes and it's just

03:07:33.720 that has not a lot of place i think in ausitru ausitru sees order ausitru sees collective um

03:07:40.600 But Crowley and his deeds and LaVey, certainly in the way he constructed things, is very, again, heavily individualistic, very hedonistic, self-serving.

03:07:55.880 And I don't think that that has a lot of stance.

03:07:58.260 I do think that when we talk about the edging of certain circles, when we talk about perhaps the shadow of the gods or the dark side of the gods or like there's Lord Odin and there's the terrible one and then there's the Lord of Gladstein.

03:08:17.080 i think that other cultures have played with the idea of the dark and the light of their divinity

03:08:25.120 and of themselves and so you have this kind of faustian aspect that's thrown out there

03:08:30.700 there's um a lot of that that's kind of brought and so you find these people kind of intermingling

03:08:36.140 with people who don't really care about perhaps exploring every shadow instead they're just they

03:08:43.360 they just want to indulge the shadows they have within themselves and you find that those two

03:08:48.980 kind of run together and that's that's kind of what you get when you start doing that kind of

03:08:54.560 stuff and so yeah does it amount to anything i'm sure for them they would say yes but i think from

03:09:02.260 a i was a true perspective i don't think that that's a parallel path so

03:09:08.900 and i want to

03:09:12.780 i want to be fair in answering this question that's one of the reasons i asked nick to kind

03:09:20.480 of stop a current in the chat room where it was getting piled on not that i don't agree but i

03:09:29.240 don't i think there's a there's a discussion to be had um here rather than just a complete

03:09:37.220 making fun or rejection.

03:09:44.640 I've talked a lot about a

03:09:47.640 childlike stage of Alcetru

03:09:52.860 where the very first reaction is

03:09:55.020 we need to cast off and reject 0.91

03:09:57.300 Christianity because it's bad. 1.00

03:10:01.860 And so early practitioners of Alcetru 1.00

03:10:04.980 in the modern era

03:10:06.840 would reject all of the things that Christianity does and define Alcetru in opposition to

03:10:16.640 Christianity, as opposed to it being a standalone faith based around loyalty to our gods.

03:10:26.000 At that time, Alcetru was part of the greater pagan milieu of rejecting Christianity and

03:10:36.220 then constructing ourselves in an opposition form and that's very much what satanism is

03:10:51.900 to my understanding crowley nor levain or most any satanist genuinely worships satan

03:11:01.420 they very often worship themselves and they've constructed satan which literally he means like

03:11:11.820 the adversary they've made their entire position that they are the anti-christianity

03:11:19.220 or even i believe in crowley's case he is the anti-christ he would define himself in how

03:11:28.640 polar opposite he was from Jesus or from Christianity that he was raised with.

03:11:38.320 That breaking free on one level makes sense for a moment, but that was the end point.

03:11:48.500 The end point was defining themselves by how edgy or different or in opposition to social norms they could be.

03:12:01.040 And that's not order.

03:12:03.620 That's literally chaos.

03:12:07.800 One of the big themes with LeVay and specifically with Crowley was the idea of antinomianism.

03:12:16.260 The idea of trying intentionally to break social mores and norms to condition your soul not to be dependent upon the approval of the traditional order.

03:12:35.580 so to prove that he is a sovereign entity and he can be above the conditioned responses of society 0.97

03:12:46.420 crowley would engage in homosexuality he would deliberately find big fat disgusting women that 0.97

03:12:57.380 he was repulsed by and pursue them for sexual acts just to show that he was outside of contemporary 0.98

03:13:09.120 standards of beauty or of those kind of things he would intentionally engage in disgusting things

03:13:16.420 as a rejection of social norms.

03:13:22.960 And to be gross, just to be gross,

03:13:26.580 is really different than what we're doing.

03:13:29.760 And it's not what we're up to.

03:13:34.680 It's certainly not the way to worship gods of order.

03:13:39.840 What I do think is interesting is that

03:13:44.000 In both of those attempts to one degree or another, there was the thought to try and, in the rejection of Christianity, to embrace Western magical tradition,

03:14:07.820 to embrace a pre-Christian understanding of the world.

03:14:14.700 And I think that when they incorporated elements of hermeticism,

03:14:21.640 I think there's something to that.

03:14:24.380 I think some of their Western magical tradition gets murky

03:14:30.160 with its relationship to Kabbalah or not.

03:14:33.140 But I think a lot of the themes are common in legitimate Western magical tradition and in some ancient Western philosophy that is useful and comes from our folk soul.

03:14:54.400 There's a dichotomy and we fluctuate.

03:14:58.000 in the early stages of modern house of truth there was a massive imp emphasis placed on the

03:15:05.780 individual and this rugged individualism look at me I'm a Viking I don't need to conform to anything

03:15:13.880 and it was taken to an extreme that was very detrimental now we're in a time where we push

03:15:24.260 a lot of understanding that you are part of a community functioning in a community structure

03:15:32.200 and an organized structure both are about are valid when they're in balance you're not a nameless

03:15:40.640 automaton in the hive that is also true of course not that's antithetical to what we believe

03:15:46.920 same point in time you're not an island unto yourself that's not connected to your folk

03:15:52.660 That's also antithetical to our belief. 0.97

03:15:56.980 So balancing your strength as an individuated person with your value in your community, that balance is what we're seeking.

03:16:12.240 And they sought to rebalance the scales in a little ways.

03:16:17.160 and part of that is a result of industrialization and a massive population increase in the west

03:16:24.280 and i i think this is one of the reasons we see the escapism in the east that we see

03:16:29.560 with the idea that you're trying to escape into nothingness to become nothing to literally

03:16:37.000 dissolve yourself into nothing these are very often propagated in countries to where there's

03:16:45.880 billions of people and there's a sea of just aimless suffering and overpopulated humanity

03:16:55.720 stacked upon one another one way is to just like i want to be you know to just merge into the

03:17:04.600 flesh pile of humanity and another way that was proposed by lavey and crowley was to individuate

03:17:16.280 yourself outside of that circle and that idea of self-individuation and building your own soul as a

03:17:24.200 sovereign unit in and of itself that has some merit and some value to it

03:17:29.720 but you can't divorce that from being part of a community and it swung way too far

03:17:39.200 um but no please don't in any way think that i'm endorsing uh alistair crowley or uh anton

03:17:46.940 in any way i'm not sure crowley's background i believe lavey was was a hebrew gentleman

03:17:55.740 um that way of thought is um not it's not also true the point of course it is uh the points of

03:18:09.140 commonality um are in there not being christian and we're not christian therefore there's some

03:18:21.020 overlap in our not Christianity, but in the positive expression of the church of Satan or

03:18:28.500 any of that, the way they would define themselves and the things they would positively define as

03:18:36.020 who they are, are completely oppositional to who we are. If Christianity had magically disappeared

03:18:42.760 and it was us with Crowley and LaVey on the side, they would define themselves as how not us they 0.75

03:18:49.920 were um no literally uh that was literally his birth name lave is just something fancy his fancy

03:19:01.440 way of like spelling it and saying it no he was absolutely um of the tribe of levi as it were um

03:19:10.320 um but yeah that's that's what i got he might also be in the new york sewers with the ninja

03:19:19.840 turtles and other things um i think that's all i've got why is master splinter wearing that funny hat

03:19:34.320 yeah there's shenanigans that go on in those sewers the 80s taught me that there was that

03:19:42.960 and then uh beauty and the beast that's where um ron perlman and his uh band of

03:19:51.920 freak misfits they also hung out in the sewers there in uh in new york and he too is uh

03:19:59.520 coincidentally he also is of a similar tribe

03:20:07.360 um

03:20:12.080 sorry i'm going back in the in the question pool here uh

03:20:18.800 all right matt and swan what are your thoughts on the popular opinion in aussitrew

03:20:24.080 that the gods are imperfect and morally gray

03:20:28.560 What are your thoughts, Svon?

03:20:33.120 Well, certainly from a story standpoint, when we talk about the necessity of these things,

03:20:39.920 it's clear that the gods are not perfect in the sense that, for instance,

03:20:48.840 What is the point of absolute perfection if the intent is to teach you that bringing an outsider in to your midst and then letting that outsider kind of intermingle but ultimately fester into your tribal group?

03:21:10.100 You lose the lesson if there is no ability for that lesson to happen.

03:21:15.340 So there's clearly that.

03:21:16.580 And then, you know, not only are, do we have the stories of the gods having both struggle, not being, you know, separated from, and again, this, this would be an argument in the ideas like, are the, are the gods of the stories, the gods themselves?

03:21:35.900 And I would say, no, they are not. I'm not necessarily making a point of saying that they're completely, uh, just, you know, dissected from, from godliness or they have, they don't have any sort of kind of, um, push or pull.

03:21:54.260 because i think that's what makes the lattice of multiplicity the divines the gods are kind of a

03:22:00.980 network that help balance each other out in that way um but in the stories certainly they have to

03:22:08.900 have uh problems they have to have they overcome dragons they overcome kidnappings they overcome

03:22:18.020 treachery. So that's pretty clear right out of the gate. I think that people get lost on the

03:22:30.560 purpose of it. And they think like, oh, well, our gods are imperfect, so I can be imperfect too.

03:22:37.060 No, the gods are clearly divine beings that exemplify their domains. They are upon the

03:22:44.740 thrones in which they exude their will into the middle world that's me talking religious talk

03:22:50.060 when we talk about the gods and the stories they need to be presented in a way that both

03:22:55.600 they're like the difference between you hammerization completely calling them mortals

03:23:02.000 or making them mortal like in order for us to understand the greater truth of the story

03:23:08.420 is, I think, very different, and we have to be able to kind of pick and choose those

03:23:14.780 things to understand them. So the gods are the gods. I don't think that the gods are

03:23:20.900 completely omnipotent and completely flawless, but instead are very, very powerful and interlaced

03:23:31.600 with each other like uh nature does in order to work it's and i say it as in the assas in the the

03:23:44.560 whole the ordering elements of their place within the way that they've described their their station

03:23:52.480 and um why they're up above and why they're in the top and why everything descends down from them and

03:23:58.080 and why it's so important that we don't switch that around or try to take that away from them

03:24:03.120 in the stories that we have but it's also worth noting that they do have common issues and things

03:24:09.200 and you know if if if olden if lord olden knew that all things why did he let loki kill balder

03:24:17.760 and there's lots of questions that could be asked about that and some would say you know

03:24:21.840 that's the grandest wisdom of it all is that when all things are destroyed the place in which it

03:24:26.880 isn't is the place far away from everything. Um, I've heard people speculate that there's lots of

03:24:32.500 speculation in our faith and some of it's very healthy and very good. And I think it spurns

03:24:37.560 thought, but to take it into literalism, oh, the gods are imperfect and therefore, so, you know,

03:24:43.960 so can I be, um, and, and again, there's another part to this whole situation is it's not about

03:24:52.120 the gods and it's not about the stories it's about the intention of the stories when they were

03:24:58.020 written when they were comprised was the conversion of christianity going on did the poets start to

03:25:05.180 end up being like the philosophes of greece and just losing piety and kind of turning the gods

03:25:11.120 into the bunts of their stories in order to either entertain or even to to be in pious towards the

03:25:19.640 gods, because perhaps they were looking at this foreign faith coming in as a way that they were

03:25:25.560 going to go. You know, the Lokasana is filled with that. So, you know, there's those three

03:25:33.920 elements, who the gods are by when you interact with them, when you pray and how they interact

03:25:38.920 and actually activate in your life, how they change things and manifest their will. And,

03:25:43.480 And, you know, when we talk about praying, like I, you know, prayed to Thor in order for the people in the Midwest to gain the Hoff of Thor.

03:25:53.600 And then for some strange reason, he deemed it that, no, it was going to be me and it was going to be on the East Coast.

03:26:01.920 I didn't have, you know, it's like, that's us interacting.

03:26:04.840 And that's because you're talking to believers who believe in the gods and see them as gods.

03:26:09.660 but when you talk about them in the stories we have to have those the heroicism the um there's

03:26:16.840 also the symbolic truths behind a lot of these things what what loki represents um what the

03:26:23.820 horses mean why there's the three you know why is there's the upper world middle world lower world

03:26:29.200 why there is a a rooster in the upper world a rooster in the east and a rooster in the

03:26:34.640 underworld and the sounding or conveying of sounds um all of that stuff is really important

03:26:42.080 but you also have to consider some of it is timely the merceberg charms uh just that we

03:26:48.200 were just talking about clearly mention woven uh fulla and frigga and all of the the

03:26:56.380 beings but they kind of speak of them as riding through the woods and their horse gets

03:27:01.900 the hoof broken. And again, this is

03:27:04.180 perhaps the same way that Snorty

03:27:06.260 talked about Njordh

03:27:08.500 stabbing

03:27:10.560 Odin when he 0.50

03:27:12.360 died, as in the king of Sweden 0.64

03:27:14.260 or one of the kings of Sweden, and stabbing

03:27:16.260 Odin so that he could go to his 0.89

03:27:18.200 god. And clearly

03:27:19.960 you see that he's euhemorizing

03:27:22.500 and utilizing the gods. It's almost like

03:27:24.360 the

03:27:25.500 representation of their church or cults. 0.94

03:27:29.140 You know, a Wodinic cult

03:27:30.340 and Avanic cult are exchanging dynasty as of kings.

03:27:35.480 But you have to be able to read into that

03:27:37.940 and understand that there is a different way

03:27:41.480 of perhaps looking at the gods

03:27:42.940 more about the way you interact with them

03:27:45.220 and less about the way you read them in the stories.

03:27:48.240 But the stories have importance too.

03:27:53.100 So a couple of things to build on what Svan said.

03:28:00.340 The stories are poetic ways of encapsulating and explaining the magnificence of our gods to our folk in a way that's comprehensible.

03:28:16.540 the stories are not literal truth and the more that we focus on their literality the more that

03:28:26.720 we're lost in the shuffle and we miss the point there are clear themes of the stories that teach

03:28:34.960 us very valuable things or else it's fun and i wouldn't be doing this uh reading our lore on here

03:28:42.000 and spending hours doing it the lore has tremendous value but the value is gained by discernment not

03:28:49.440 by trying to read it like a novel um perfect doesn't exist cosmically those kind of limits

03:29:00.880 don't exist we don't see that in science we don't see that in anything there's no such thing as

03:29:06.880 perfect. The gods are exponentially further on the scale towards perfection than we are. They are

03:29:18.060 gods. And I feel impious suggesting that they are not perfect because they are so

03:29:24.920 much closer to that line than any of us are um but the idea of them being without flaw

03:29:38.240 or complete like omnipresent or omniscient or knowing absolutely everything

03:29:45.680 negates any principle of struggle and that's the principle that animates our universe

03:29:52.600 If our gods don't have to struggle or to try, then there's very little point in existence.

03:30:01.520 Are gods, are they infinitely wise?

03:30:03.980 Do they know everything?

03:30:06.700 I would say not.

03:30:08.920 Do they know statistically might as well be everything from our perspective?

03:30:15.440 Yes, absolutely.

03:30:17.640 Our gods are magnificent. 0.97

03:30:19.560 our gods are amazing and immensely powerful are they morally gray no that's silly our gods are

03:30:27.360 shining exemplars of morality they define morality and set the course of what equals morality to our

03:30:38.760 folk does every story when read in a 2024 context in a literal way equal all the deeds in the story

03:30:48.780 being morally correct by our understanding?

03:30:52.180 Of course not.

03:30:54.540 But again, Odin didn't write the story.

03:30:59.040 Gauthier so-and-so told the story to so-and-so

03:31:01.900 who told the story to Snorri,

03:31:04.100 who wrote it down the best he understood.

03:31:06.840 The principles in the story are absolutely morally correct.

03:31:11.440 The specifics in every tale that's told about our gods, 0.61

03:31:16.540 no, that's silly.

03:31:17.360 And that's not how myth is ever interpreted outside of an Abrahamic context.

03:31:26.300 But no, our gods are infinitely moral and magnificently close to perfection when compared to any human conception.

03:31:38.480 next up uh it's fine your mural at nordshoff is gorgeous i've noticed quite a few easter eggs

03:31:52.000 within it um in saying that do you have a recollection of exactly how many little easter

03:32:00.480 or how many little eggs nests within said mural

03:32:03.920 um no there's not like a set number it would uh a perfect example was um with the austrian

03:32:17.360 skadi one of the things that i noticed that people keyed in on was um the ibexes and um

03:32:27.920 again the idea of the animals being um vehicles of of mastery the the the divine beings mastering

03:32:37.200 over these things uh one of the reasons why i chose the ibix is again their connection to the

03:32:42.400 mountains um especially the mountains that are prone to glacier um cracking fissuring and uh

03:32:51.360 avalanches and so on and so forth um but also i just was doing it in a kind of

03:32:58.320 you know uh the pack animal the animal that you would utilize kind of like much like the yule

03:33:04.720 bach for the yule elf is a yule bach because it's the the vehicle in which the gifts are placed up

03:33:11.680 on the back so i decided to just play around with that and do uh the ibexes i think they're majestic

03:33:17.760 animals and, and the fact that they can climb sheer vertical mountains, um, was, was just a,

03:33:24.040 uh, I don't know. It was, it was some kind of notion that fell over me. Um, and I did not see

03:33:32.540 it as being improper or impious in actuality. I thought it was situationally fitting. Um,

03:33:39.780 but there's no references to Scotty having, you know, these kind of mountain ibexes. Um,

03:33:46.060 Um, I, uh, did some other things, uh, as far as the fact that she was wearing a bear 1.00

03:33:53.320 knee and that, uh, that's referenced to her, um, uh, ascending for revenge against her

03:34:00.680 father towards the gods and then ultimately joining with them because of her nobility

03:34:05.440 in action.

03:34:06.500 Um, did I have to draw her with a, a, a bear knee on or a, a hauberk, a chainmail

03:34:12.660 no i wasn't necessarily trying to portray her as some sort of hollywood um viking princess thing i

03:34:21.680 was making reference specifically that she is wearing a historical barony um because of that

03:34:30.300 and and kind of denoting um how she came into the realm of the gods um other than that let's see

03:34:39.060 there's the boar and there's Frey and Frey up as children playing on the wane. That's an Easter

03:34:46.760 egg, again, towards the usage of wagons and wanes in relation to the Vanir. Again, some of them kind 0.99

03:34:57.340 of came up on their own. There's the net and the trident, and a lot of people, of course, will

03:35:04.600 automatically assume that connecting it to the greco-roman symbology but tridents were known

03:35:11.160 in the bronze age especially throughout all of europe um they were used you know again to make

03:35:17.080 reference the the net is the ocean and the trident is the river that was another thing that i wanted

03:35:23.960 to to point out was because you can't using a trident in the ocean is difficult to say the least

03:35:30.760 um so it was kind of a combination of the waters um the treasure chest the cauldron

03:35:39.320 um all great symbols of of bounty and unification and then of course too there's um

03:35:46.360 lastly there is yarth or nerthus wearing the veil and carrying she's wearing the um same bronze

03:35:55.560 disc belt and braided skirt that was found on the young woman during the bronze age uh dig um

03:36:03.800 of the young woman wearing that kind of brown top with the braided skirt so that was kind of

03:36:09.400 the reason why i i used that along with a veil to hide her face um i'm trying to think about

03:36:19.640 other things were just to add in like they're the the egret in florida um obviously the marlin

03:36:27.160 um and the pelican kind of developed on its own it was as kind of a joke in the sense that i had

03:36:33.240 i had made a a mooring poll um in the but i didn't know what to do with it i didn't know

03:36:42.360 and i didn't have the confidence in myself to um depict a pen uh pelican so um i was scared at that

03:36:52.600 point and i was like man i'm i could really mess all this up and might have to just waste all this

03:36:57.960 time and then have to cover it up but it flowed out of me and i again i'm not like a painter in

03:37:05.480 the sense of where i come from as a i didn't i wasn't trained as a painter i didn't go to school

03:37:11.000 for painting but i felt like it just came out and the pelican was there as a symbol of you know the

03:37:19.400 bounty of of uh lord lord north just uh i don't know so that that wasn't necessarily an easter egg

03:37:29.080 as that was i remember distinctly that time like here's this post i want to do something i don't

03:37:34.680 really think I can paint this

03:37:36.360 very well. The Pelican came out amazing.

03:37:38.940 It came out amazing.

03:37:40.500 I still geek out about it.

03:37:43.100 Strong refused

03:37:44.360 to... So you'll see

03:37:46.540 he's feeding the seagull

03:37:48.420 a little fish.

03:37:51.540 I was

03:37:52.420 insisting that he feed him

03:37:54.180 french fries, but he refused.

03:37:56.520 Yeah, I remember that.

03:37:58.600 Ever since the concept of

03:38:00.340 what I wanted to do was always...

03:38:02.100 There were two things

03:38:04.240 that i wanted to exemplify was one that north has giving hands and um oftentimes you know uh just

03:38:13.880 simply because not it was it wasn't it's not giving to the seagull in in order to gain anything

03:38:19.700 it's just giving because when you know about the construction one of the cool things talking about

03:38:26.140 and i don't know whether we came with up with it independently or what the origin was but

03:38:31.200 the idea of him feeding a seagull that way in my mind um harken back to i don't know if anybody's

03:38:41.200 ever been there or done this but um as a child i would go to seattle with my mom from time to time

03:38:52.260 living in anchorage you know the big thing is you'd fly to seattle and then you'd be in the

03:38:57.520 you know the rest of the united states where real stuff was happening and so we'd go there and we'd

03:39:02.560 walk um down by the piers there's a bunch of creepy homeless there now and whatever else but

03:39:08.640 back then was a um ivars like fish and chips and uh clam chowder place down there by the pier

03:39:20.240 and you'd go get it and the seagulls were like aggressive because they were so used to people

03:39:26.720 so if you stood there and you held held you know a french fry up they would come and like

03:39:31.120 just you know take it out of your hand gently you know no damage or whatever they were so good at

03:39:35.600 being able to to do that but i remembered that a lot of standing out there and being able to

03:39:41.280 feed the seabirds that way and so i thought that was kind of cool and i was glad it's fun

03:39:46.960 as they incorporate that into the into the mural yeah yeah there was like a funness to it and the

03:39:52.960 other the other thing was i wanted to to have new york smiling and um the problem was is again i'm

03:40:00.160 not uh and this isn't me being humble i'm just trying to state that like i draw within the

03:40:08.400 capacity of my drawing for the fun of drawing this became very serious and now i'm doing it

03:40:14.240 in a mural sense and i've i don't know how i pulled it off or like i'm still thinking like

03:40:20.560 okay i i did thor's off you should be able to do this and uh one of the things that got me was uh

03:40:28.720 his eyes in the way that originally i had him staring towards the folk and the the smile and

03:40:38.720 the purport it didn't look right it didn't look right at all so i tried to do him looking at

03:40:45.440 the seagull and that seemed to work the best it didn't it didn't seem odd and the other thing for

03:40:51.280 me is i i have a very hard time drawing teeth um i have a very hard time drawing hands i have a very

03:40:57.360 hard time drawing feet i have a very hard time drawing like musculature without somehow obfuscating

03:41:03.680 it in this in the um in the art where like somebody might be wearing clothing or a tunic or

03:41:10.000 or a cape or something to kind of obscure certain parts of the body no north was just like

03:41:18.880 all open and i could i couldn't hide anything and um so like working on the physique to make

03:41:26.160 sure that the physique was was greater than but not um absurd or garish but almost endearing and

03:41:36.320 even like inspiring um the the the feet being uh washed white um with the water and so that

03:41:44.880 that part there was trying to balance between the tan of his skin and the whiteness of the feet

03:41:51.680 and again feet in and of themselves are just not good at painting them so it was a it was an

03:41:59.520 interesting one but yeah that's again the easter eggs are are kind of more or less things that i

03:42:05.600 wanted to nod towards or perhaps inspire questions i did not get a chance so it's unfinished as all

03:42:14.000 of the murals are in the essence that i would love to go and add more and so one of the things

03:42:20.640 that i really didn't get a chance to add enough of was uh writing i did a little bit on the cauldron

03:42:27.200 the bronze cauldron but um i did not get a chance enough i wanted to border and write things in the

03:42:34.480 the border. I wanted to write things kind of throughout, but didn't get a chance to. Again,

03:42:39.820 time was of the essence. We need to get you down there again so you can finish up

03:42:46.860 the vision that you had for it. Yeah, and Baldursoff too. I still have more. I've been

03:42:54.560 playing with light as far as the usage of light and the usage of certain colors. And I want to

03:43:00.720 go back to Baldursoff and add more light, more of that effect that I don't think I was able to

03:43:06.740 capture because I was still learning how to like use the paintbrushes and use the charcoal and

03:43:16.700 pastels and things of that nature. I mean, I was learning them as I was going and watching videos

03:43:23.300 to like give me ideas on to what exactly to do. So it just, it didn't look so, or didn't look

03:43:30.160 terrible so you know you have done an amazing job on all of all of those um i want to acknowledge

03:43:39.520 and i should have done this a long time ago i'm sorry chris lucat uh donated eleven dollars thank

03:43:44.880 you chris we appreciate it i've also seen you be very active over there in the chat room but

03:43:51.280 i've meant to mention your donation several times and been sidetracked i apologize thank you very

03:43:57.120 much um so paul stevens asks matt do you think the afa should be a democracy

03:44:04.800 uh it should be like a democracy if not why are we better off without it um

03:44:13.920 no absolutely not the democracy is terrible i don't think the afa should

03:44:18.560 ever be anything remotely resembling a democracy in any way um

03:44:24.160 um lots of reasons so

03:44:34.000 a couple of really fundamental reasons

03:44:38.320 we don't believe in equality equality does not exist all people are not equal

03:44:43.840 um equality negates worth um we don't all have the same worth there are every single person

03:44:57.040 is worth more or worth less than the person next to them there is no point of complete equilibrium

03:45:06.040 um and that's not and that value changes that's not meant to be something disparaging or something

03:45:16.400 hurtful um I'm all for meritocracy in a lot of ways I'm all for you improving your station by

03:45:23.640 your deeds and by improving your worth and your value absolutely I support that um but

03:45:32.140 just because lots of people want to do something or have an idea doesn't make that a good idea

03:45:41.560 um right and wrong is not a popularity contest right and wrong is also not up for you know

03:45:53.740 group opinion things are either right or they're wrong no matter if you know what's one percent

03:46:01.980 or a hundred percent that think it um yeah i don't know the the phrase but

03:46:12.860 there there's something to be said to where you know it's easier to

03:46:19.340 get one person that's good than to get the majority of people to be good and it is a

03:46:29.380 fundamental principle of the astro folk assembly that i hope maintains for eternity that the afa 0.90

03:46:37.020 is a theocratic autocracy and i don't

03:46:48.620 i don't do that to thump my chest or as a flex i suppose it is but it's not meant that way

03:46:56.700 i was a big advocate for that um when i served underneath steve mcnalen and

03:47:03.660 uh yeah we need one person who is able to call the shots ultimately and make those decisions

03:47:16.300 and stand before our gods with that responsibility um we have i think that's right as a principle

03:47:27.420 i think that's right traditionally i think it's

03:47:33.900 the right thing to do and i think that having that focal point of someone at the top of that hierarchy

03:47:43.180 structures a functional hierarchy um also having that person and that person being the right person

03:47:54.220 is what keeps any group any nation any church dedicated to its purpose in an unshakable way

03:48:06.820 we can see countless other groups churches organizations institutions in our lifetime

03:48:18.200 time that were democratic in their structuring and they've you know almost all I look at the

03:48:29.480 history of modern house are true and we're the only organization that is grown existed is around

03:48:37.400 30 years later and still functioning towards a common goal and a common direction because

03:48:43.880 everything else has been subverted um they get a group of people in there and they start voting

03:48:49.640 and then they start you know having cliques that have power of stuff and they spend time

03:48:55.400 playing politics rather than executing the will of the gods and directives aimed at making our

03:49:04.760 folk better they sit around and squabble over the tiniest minutiae and I've watched that bring down

03:49:10.760 Every Ausitru group, every group that would claim to be Ausitru, but that were universalist, heathen, whatever they were.

03:49:20.920 I watch all of those crumble because of the same reasons.

03:49:24.880 And I watch them dramatically change what they're all about based on the whims of the day or what's popular.

03:49:31.100 having somebody running things who you trust and who is well-intentioned and who you believe is

03:49:39.760 favored by the gods is essential to staying the course towards that ideal and to building

03:49:47.920 momentum and a culture that projects us forward in a certain way in hopefully an unshakable way

03:49:56.000 for those that he passes that authority on to.

03:50:01.060 But no, I will do everything in my power in my lifetime

03:50:05.180 to make the executive position in the Austro-Folk Assembly

03:50:10.980 as strong as it can possibly be.

03:50:13.300 And I hope that is enshrined for eternity.

03:50:18.280 I wanted to bring up, I remember something about,

03:50:23.080 um i remember when you were you were you had uh taken on to the the the mantle of the outsider

03:50:31.560 godi and that of course anytime we do anything where we we we build upon structure and we

03:50:38.200 there's always people trying to tear it down to your one or worse the was the weaponizing of

03:50:43.080 democracy i remember um the eternal etruscan uh leader of the schmerman folk trying to tell me

03:50:49.800 that we need to have democracy we need to have an assembly we need to have a congress 0.57

03:50:55.320 and i just remember like looking at him like what are you are you crazy and i always just 0.54

03:51:01.080 struck me as so vile when you find the people that try to dissipate leadership in order for 0.97

03:51:07.640 them to get like their little niche of what they want done at the at the sacrifice of everyone else

03:51:16.040 you know they it was it was like weaponized democracy and it it's weaponized democracy but

03:51:23.480 it's also like parliamentary larp and there's a certain people there's a certain segment of the

03:51:31.320 population that really enjoys just those kind of petty political machinations of instead of

03:51:41.240 accomplishing something, let's get a group of 20 people and endlessly have little stratagems to see

03:51:51.460 which of those 20 can claw and scrape for the top spot. And it's just silly. It's silly. It's

03:52:02.160 counterproductive. And what's tragic about it is such a tremendous waste of momentum towards

03:52:08.540 something and and on this as opposed to a separate question rod iron asked on the subject of

03:52:15.260 democracy 100 agree that democracy is a bad system of government but how do you think hundreds of

03:52:20.940 millions of people should be organized without any kind of input from the folk not having democracy

03:52:29.180 doesn't equal disallowing input from the folk um and again i can't

03:52:38.700 i can speak to theories about hundreds of millions of people to my mind you know i think that

03:52:47.820 a one-person autocracy is always the best to go but i think you have a hierarchy of um

03:52:55.180 um either secular or Ecclesiastic of

03:53:02.620 nobility and people who are invested in speaking for their area their people the people that they

03:53:12.700 represent and in general advising whoever the autocrat is on things

03:53:20.440 And I also think that that cadre of capable, wise people are able to, through lots of different means, make sure that if somebody completely unacceptable is at the top, that that situation can change in a reasonable way.

03:53:50.440 Um, again, when you scale up to hundreds of millions, it's silly for me to talk about

03:53:56.780 exactly what that would look like.

03:54:00.720 As it stands now in the Astro Folk Assembly, I'm a theocratic autocrat of, you know, 810 people.

03:54:09.500 um i am advised by a council the witten of our a wise gothar who can advise me on things

03:54:21.200 i'm literally have the folk in my ear from sun up to sun down with input and i value it a lot

03:54:35.800 autocracy doesn't equal malevolent tyranny and i think that's something that unfortunately

03:54:50.680 has been piped into us in the modern era that wasn't always the case nor should it be

03:54:59.240 good people in charge

03:55:04.060 who are decent people

03:55:05.260 care about the thoughts and feelings

03:55:07.120 of the people under their charge

03:55:09.020 and that should always be the case

03:55:11.720 and

03:55:13.140 there's no reason to think

03:55:14.940 that it inherently isn't or won't be

03:55:17.420 it's important

03:55:21.560 so

03:55:26.040 the next that we've got

03:55:29.220 uh hello svan and matt do you think that wagner's ring cycle should be included in the germanic

03:55:37.860 religious canon svan what are your thoughts on the ring cycle uh i think that it's an extension of

03:55:48.660 the way in which mythos can can morph that it can it it can evolve it can possibly hit different

03:55:57.860 things i mean the accompaniment of classical music with operata was you know uniquely of its

03:56:05.780 own but yet was taken from cultural heritage from before so i think that it's a it's a progression

03:56:15.060 of evolution i think that the beauty of it is a reflection of the people so there is a sense that

03:56:21.540 like i think one of the greatest parts about it is there is this imagery and beauty perhaps it was

03:56:29.300 made in a time in which the audience didn't want to feel that the gods were

03:56:35.060 uh being honored as so much as because again like with uh with christianity at the time and so

03:56:40.260 so on and so forth um yeah it was in a way it's you hemorrhizing but it's also again

03:56:47.060 scratching at that primordial blood instinct to to know that the gods are in there

03:56:55.380 and uh i think that that's interesting but i i don't know if exact lore

03:57:02.260 i mean no i don't think so but i don't that doesn't discount it either it's what it what it

03:57:07.140 is is understanding it for what it is in its extension from the lore that it was inspired

03:57:12.500 by the lore and it carries with it some other noble virtues that we have picked up since the

03:57:18.500 time in which uh our ancestors were openly honoring the gods and now that we are openly

03:57:24.500 honoring the gods again we do take some of that stuff from that time that middle point

03:57:29.620 whether it's the idea of romanticism whether it's like looking at oh there's no

03:57:33.860 lost sound on spawn is that true for everybody

03:57:42.580 all right there is no spawn but that's okay um

03:57:52.480 yeah no i don't think that uh the ring cycle by wagner should be part of our religious lore i

03:58:00.500 it's really cool but i don't think it brings in an intentionally religious element beyond our

03:58:08.980 existent lord it's built out of it from our existent lower it celebrates it but to my

03:58:18.740 knowledge wagner wasn't a practicing also true art and that wasn't the point of his piece and in

03:58:26.660 that sense i don't think it brings more to it i think it's beautiful i think it's it's wonderful

03:58:33.220 for our people to see and experience and enjoy but i don't think it becomes part of our our

03:58:39.940 religious corpus am i back can you hear me you are back

03:58:47.860 yeah i think uh ai spawn has a little bit bigger of a nose than i do it's a little

03:58:58.820 it's got that thing hanging out over in front of his mustache um

03:59:05.780 um sorry i just the comment there at least we have ai swan and i'm looking at that picture and

03:59:13.780 And it's like, I, I spawn looks just fine.

03:59:21.820 Yeah, the frozen swan. Um,

03:59:26.900 I was just saying that I think that it morphs. What's what was that? Um,

03:59:30.700 you let me, you led me to it was the, um,

03:59:34.460 medieval version of the ring cycle.

03:59:44.340 yes we need to can can you type that out or can nick type that nick can nick can absolutely type

03:59:52.740 that out the nibblingen leaf yeah that's my favorite version again another extension of

04:00:03.220 pulling from our faith and lore and cultural sense but adding on to it a um

04:00:10.980 whole nother element to it the the knightly aspect a lot of people can't conceptualize oh

04:00:17.920 you're also true um you know why would you have banners and and heraldric mark looking things or

04:00:26.520 chivalry mark the vikings didn't have that they had the little you know pizza slice with the raven

04:00:32.360 on it and you know with uh you know bits hanging off of it and so it's like i do enjoy the fact

04:00:40.300 that some people have expounded on the culture as if it was unbroken, you know, and that we don't

04:00:47.820 need to, you know, stick solely within the concept of one time frame, but to see the Germanic spirit

04:00:57.640 as it has moved throughout, you know, the time and the gods have never left us. It's just that,

04:01:03.840 you know, we had, I guess had to do our cycle to get our,

04:01:09.120 get our bearings again. But yeah,

04:01:11.900 I think that that's kind of the beauty of it is that they expound on that,

04:01:15.640 but to consider absolute part of lore.

04:01:21.920 So our next question is how is Steven's health doing?

04:01:25.680 Would like to meet the guy. Well, you should meet that guy.

04:01:29.500 He would love to meet you. He is.

04:01:33.840 I mean, he's in his 70s, so he's got various old man stuff that old men have. 0.78

04:01:40.400 But all things considered, he seems to be doing really well.

04:01:44.160 He's in good spirits.

04:01:45.240 He attends every event at Odinshof.

04:01:53.600 I want to say, what, two weeks ago?

04:02:02.700 I spoke to him on the phone, and he was doing great.

04:02:06.900 I will see him next weekend.

04:02:10.200 Oh, it's time to plug a shameless plug.

04:02:13.540 If any of you people are interested and can get to Reno on Saturday,

04:02:19.760 we'd love to have you over for my All-Star Your Gothic Dinner this month. 0.99

04:02:23.940 Be featuring beef stew and butterscotch white Russians. 1.00

04:02:29.200 So, yeah, if you want to be involved in that, let me know, 1.00

04:02:32.120 and we'll see about making that happen i was going to say sometimes the mcnellens come over

04:02:37.240 for that sometimes they don't we are in the midst of a storm we're getting dumped on snow right now

04:02:43.320 so i doubt they'll be able to make it to my house this weekend but the following weekend i will see

04:02:49.160 both steve and sheila at odin's off for our thoroughblu

04:02:52.840 next question from real mage question if freya's real name was engvie what was freya's mardo

04:03:08.680 uh freya means lord freya means lady those are titles right swan you want to break that down

04:03:15.400 yeah absolutely um the reason why i don't say lady freya is because freya means lady so it'd

04:03:23.640 be like saying lady lady or uh i guess you know it's like it becomes normal to a degree but um

04:03:32.360 that is an interesting question um if we there's a lot of debate on that

04:03:39.160 Some have suggested that perhaps Golvey was a name and that Heath, which I think is also a title, but that that is the true name and that Freyja is Heath and knew ahead of time, or perhaps was testing the gods out with deception before she would arrive as Freyja.

04:04:06.620 And that's a theory that has been bounced around for a long time.

04:04:11.380 I remember people talking about that in the 90s.

04:04:13.740 But again, I think that Golvey and Heath are also title names,

04:04:19.260 like Freya is a title name, or at least a descriptor name.

04:04:26.840 One person even suggested Mengloth, but Mengloth in Svipsdagmaul, in which Freyja takes her devoted to go learn his ancestry.

04:04:45.680 Mengloth is also a title name.

04:04:48.420 It means necklace happy, again, referencing to the Brzinga men.

04:04:56.840 So, to be honest, we don't know. There's a lot of, again, debate. The idea that it could be, again, Mardal is a reference to flax and the pulling of flax to make it into rope and cloth.

04:05:23.120 all of these have title names in it.

04:05:25.760 I don't know if they're the true name.

04:05:30.620 That's the thing.

04:05:31.860 Names all mean something.

04:05:33.460 They're not a random vocalization.

04:05:37.920 And you learn this if you...

04:05:41.460 Names that are in a foreign language

04:05:45.200 always sound really cool

04:05:47.700 until you try to get the etymology

04:05:51.700 of what the name means and then they become less cool but every name originates as a title

04:06:00.260 or a reference to something else they don't stand alone there's no you know

04:06:08.340 every name has a meaning um

04:06:14.180 i'm just trying to think like my name fortunately i have a hebrew name it means gift from god

04:06:21.700 but it could have been used in a Hebrew vernacular as having that meaning.

04:06:28.860 Every one of our gods, if you break down their names, has a meaning to it.

04:06:33.540 Some are specifically also a title in a hierarchical structure, like Tyr's name means God.

04:06:45.660 Frey means Lord, Frey, a lady.

04:06:48.400 um but that's not odd like seriously thinking of it you know every name has a meaning

04:06:58.160 so i don't think that's in and of itself odd even though i think a lot's made out of it

04:07:04.900 the other things

04:07:07.240 another thing

04:07:10.800 that's a point of interest

04:07:12.960 these are

04:07:15.560 ancient primordial

04:07:18.120 gods of our folk

04:07:19.740 their existence

04:07:21.260 pre-exists the name that we've come

04:07:23.980 to know them by

04:07:25.080 certainly

04:07:30.040 their existence

04:07:32.060 there's a bit of a chicken and an egg

04:07:34.060 thing that goes into their naming

04:07:35.780 and their existence

04:07:36.700 um our lords is fray named after lordship or is lordship named after fray

04:07:45.700 great question and that's one of the things you know did we name

04:07:51.700 tier god or do we get the concept of god from lord tier

04:07:57.160 and i think when you get to that point that's a valid thing to consider

04:08:03.840 and and and brai being the brag the the boast um balder the bold one ullr the glorious one

04:08:15.240 for seti the one who sets ahead the the laws if you will or one who presides over and sets the

04:08:23.540 laws all of the names of the gods have a meaning wadhan or odin is clearly in from odur is inspired

04:08:34.980 frenzied um you know thor through is all about it's again strength and uh the striking power

04:08:46.580 um i mean all of our gods i think linguistically and culturally have

04:08:51.880 the the names that they have because they have meaning and gravity and so

04:08:57.660 just like what you said as you're going especially about frey the the lordship is distinct within him

04:09:06.540 i've always seen him as the young prince riding on the bloody hooved horse with the sword that

04:09:11.460 fights on its own and he's he's falling in love with the maiden and he's fighting and he's kind

04:09:15.640 this uh i don't know very um like young prince conquering or has the the the whole of the world

04:09:24.600 in front of him and war and bounty is high and uh kind of a i don't know i don't i guess like it

04:09:32.040 gives me that that vibe from like the the bhagavida where he's what no absolutely it's just one of

04:09:39.000 those things every name has a meaning your name means swan nick's name is greek for you know

04:09:46.440 victory of the people um every name has a meaning if you trace if you if you go back to what it

04:09:53.960 really is but when you look at it in an outside language it just sounds cool you know my friend

04:10:00.760 had uh had a dog growing up that the name of the dog was sabaka and it sounded like this cool

04:10:06.600 you know odd cool name no it just means dog in russian like it it's that it can be that simple

04:10:17.880 there's not that there's not other by names for the for our gods um our gods often had many

04:10:24.280 um haiti or other names or other titles that were known by but to assume that because fray

04:10:34.800 means lord it's a title not a name i think is i don't think that's a that's a valid concern

04:10:44.400 although i think all of us myself included when we first got involved had those thoughts you know

04:10:54.240 um you know that the idea of the the name ing in correlation with lord fray is pretty clear but

04:11:04.800 Unfortunately, there isn't a counterpart in correlation to Freyja.

04:11:12.080 And there's a lot of confusion, of course, with Freyja or Frick amongst the Norse, her Fricko or Fricko amongst the Lombards.

04:11:24.900 But, you know, like there's the Anglo-Saxons called Frigga.

04:11:29.840 They called her Freyja.

04:11:31.520 And then whether or whether or not Freya was called Frau or Fro is, you know, up to debate.

04:11:41.280 I think it caused a lot of confusion there, the idea of the precious one and the lady or the stations.

04:11:47.340 But I will say this much. There was one comment saying, you know, some people say Freya is Ostara.

04:11:51.500 And I would like to point out, though, that all of the correlations towards Freya are always about gold, about shining objects, gems, fire from the ground within the earth, amber, and a lot of the associations towards gold and glittering things and beautiful things.

04:12:14.600 things that evoke possession things that evoke desire all associated with with uh freya as

04:12:24.220 opposed to perhaps the eastern light the solar upper realm of the of ostra i i've even i mean

04:12:34.040 um there was um what's their names that uh the reconstructionists or whatever they call

04:12:40.060 themselves the saying that that uh the goddess not if a lot of people have read that book um

04:12:47.900 that the um one of the the house true ada book said that you know yes um that uh

04:12:59.260 they said that the goddess not was ostera and so there's a lot of that pull there i mean that's a

04:13:06.940 bit closer because apparently towards the heavenly bodies so i would definitely say that the the

04:13:13.980 weight of freya uh being austra is not very strong um and uh and again austra i believe is her own

04:13:23.740 because when you look at aurora when you look at um you know the uh or is it as austral

04:13:31.820 you know you can see throughout all of the arian branches the dawn goddess

04:13:38.180 um and i've always called her the daughter of dellinger and that the the gate that he opens

04:13:46.080 is the season of either warmth or cold and she's the one that opens the gates and when she does

04:13:51.800 she comes forth and brings pretty much a part of the cyclical nature and i've always applied that

04:13:58.080 to the heavenly wardens whether it's the day or the night whether it's the sun or the moon

04:14:03.440 or whether it's the the sky and the atmosphere and the seasons another thing to consider

04:14:11.680 these are the names that our ancestors came to know our gods by

04:14:21.040 there's no

04:14:28.080 There's no hard and fast rule that, you know, Lord Frey came to someone in a dream and said, hey, what's up?

04:14:40.440 My name's Frey.

04:14:41.760 Like that, there's no, I mean, I understand that sounds silly, but at some point, why did we call this God what we called them?

04:14:52.160 did they tell us that's their name or did we apply that name to the force that spoke to us

04:15:00.560 that we came to know in the way that we came to know them and i think that's realistic to consider

04:15:07.480 as well we don't have an instance in the lord where you know our gods just appear and like

04:15:14.380 no this is my name shake my hand i'm so and so our people have developed these names for these

04:15:22.280 divine beings that have interacted with them over a time but in all honestly in all honesty

04:15:30.140 these are names and titles that our people have projected upon them and bestowed upon them

04:15:37.300 because of the nature of their relationship to them

04:15:40.880 and not necessarily the other way around.

04:15:45.960 I made a mistake.

04:15:48.460 Mar-dowar is not the flax.

04:15:50.220 It's the shining of the sea.

04:15:53.240 Mar is the ocean or the sea

04:15:55.720 and dottler is the shining or glistening.

04:15:58.600 Again, referring to Amber,

04:16:01.140 the tears of her in the ocean

04:16:05.660 became the shining of the sea, which is amber. Sorry, I got that wrong. I was thinking and I

04:16:13.420 was like, wait a minute, I got to check that out. Yes. Ocean shining is mar dollar. So again,

04:16:19.620 shining light, golden glistening, earth and water have always been associated with

04:16:26.020 Freya as opposed to the eastern dawn and the turning of the light and the sky with Ostra.

04:16:34.300 so um before we move on to the next question i see uh romage says that he's had dreams of

04:16:41.340 odin for a while if that's related to what i was just saying yes our gods have come to us

04:16:49.820 and to our ancestors in dreams plenty of times they've conveyed information and understanding

04:16:56.620 to us plenty of times but in my experience i have not known the gods to

04:17:06.860 you know in speak that specifically in the way they convey thoughts and ideas

04:17:16.380 and if odin came to you in a dream and said hi my name's odin and this is why

04:17:21.980 i don't mean to trivialize that if that's the case then great please let us know and

04:17:26.140 tell us about that that's fantastic um i have no reason to believe that's the experience of

04:17:31.900 our ancestors especially because all these names have very specific meanings

04:17:37.500 it's much more likely to me that these are the names we spoke

04:17:43.660 in honor of them bestowing upon them because of the meaning they possess for us and our ancestors

04:17:51.180 But I don't preclude that it's possible the other way around.

04:17:54.980 I just don't see a reason that that must be the case.

04:17:59.760 You know, like, ah, what's so-and-so's true name?

04:18:02.880 I don't think it works quite that way because I don't think that the gods,

04:18:08.160 I don't think the linguistics of the gods conform to our understanding of linguistics,

04:18:15.500 if that makes any sense.

04:18:17.980 Exactly.

04:18:18.540 from major follow-up I recognized him he didn't have to have to say anything

04:18:23.580 exactly you recognizing who he is isn't the same as him like writing his name

04:18:29.160 out on a name tag we all know who he is us collectively applying a word and a

04:18:38.580 spelling for that is a different step. The next question is, since our European cousins have a

04:18:50.140 concept of the avatar as a mortal stand-in for the gods, could the gods of the stories perhaps

04:18:55.840 be avatars of the gods? In the Eddas, no, in the Gesta Denorum, perhaps, if that makes sense.

04:19:08.580 Um, no, the Eddas are told specifically of the gods themselves, and any

04:19:15.300 nehumorization of that is a scaldic device. But those are, those are the gods written large,

04:19:26.120 even if in order to convey them, the poet writes them in a

04:19:31.380 more mundane manner than he ought to the guest today norm is very different the

04:19:39.540 humorization of the gods in that sense is much more flesh and blood in the arc of history

04:19:49.080 and that I think does open up that perhaps some of the characters in there are in some

04:19:57.960 exist in some kind of an avatar form um it goes back into deep antiquity and past you know real

04:20:07.040 historical investigation so i think that one's hard to pin down um can our gods incarnate in

04:20:18.900 human form for a time or for a purpose sure i don't put that beyond the power of our gods

04:20:26.040 can our gods come over someone and possess them in a way for a time for a purpose certainly

04:20:36.060 our gods have the power to do all of those things we don't have a lot of example of that in our war

04:20:43.380 other than as i saw earlier mentioned in the chat when odin you know visits someone as a you know as

04:20:51.500 a homeless guy

04:20:53.720 or a beggar or a strange wanderer.

04:20:58.320 He's putting himself

04:20:59.660 in a human form to interact with

04:21:01.640 mortals and I think that's

04:21:03.400 certainly that's within 1.00

04:21:05.620 the power of the Allfather

04:21:07.520 to do. We see that 0.96

04:21:09.560 more in different

04:21:10.540 related branches of

04:21:13.400 Aryan religion

04:21:14.760 than we do in Ausatru.

04:21:17.940 But certainly I think

04:21:19.380 it's a that's a possible thing but no i don't think that the lore is stories of our gods

04:21:28.420 become avatar i think that like i said the guest of a norm is unique in that i think

04:21:35.060 what are your thoughts on that's fun uh the only other thing i wanted to add was i

04:21:41.060 and i had this conversation with go the east we were talking about the possibility that the avatar

04:21:48.500 um in relation to to fray ing v fray lord fray or lord ing um that there's a couple of mentions

04:21:57.940 one in the in beowulf about shield chiefing crossing the water in in or on upon a reed

04:22:05.380 and the other is king frothy possibly being an avatar as well depending on who you talk to with

04:22:11.620 the swedes or the anglo-saxons shield chiefing was a huge part of the anglo-saxons and their

04:22:18.820 transition from den denmark and northern germany into um england and lord or king frothy was huge

04:22:28.260 in uh the establishment in sweden and a lot of people feel that they might have actually been

04:22:34.900 uh lord ing in you know avatar form but i don't think it's something that we utilize as much as

04:22:42.340 say like uh vedic or or even i don't know i guess it would be would it be post vedic hindu

04:22:49.780 ism more or less without i mean with more with some other influences clearly coming along

04:22:57.540 incarnations and and avatars we don't seem to have that as much but it seems to lend a little

04:23:04.580 bit there um like again with with semi-mythical figures like shield sheafing and king frothy

04:23:13.860 as being like physical beings that were clearly there

04:23:17.540 but the powers and the things they did were kind of beyond uh more mortal men

04:23:25.780 um the next question uh i need to get a marble slab and a projector spawn would you mind if i

04:23:34.500 attempt to carve 3d versions of your murals i wouldn't be offended at all um i think that one

04:23:44.740 thing that we're trying to do is is uh have some symbolic continuation within the um the gods so

04:23:54.420 thor on a piece of uh paper or in a book or on on a mural or in a statue all carry the same elements

04:24:04.500 that has that continuancy so that our children can feel a closeness and an intimacy with the

04:24:11.880 gods based simply on the consistency and the way they look. That's the only thing I would

04:24:19.020 suggest is try to keep it as close as you can because that's our intention is to keep that

04:24:25.800 congruency but i i wouldn't be uh i'd be honored that'd be great all right uh next question why

04:24:37.160 did you select white springs florida instead of saint augustine um oddly specific that's very

04:24:45.380 specific uh saint augustine's awesome i don't know is this from s so i don't know who s is um

04:24:53.400 so um it wasn't a

04:25:05.220 that's not how we look for Hoffs we're not quite there yet to where we can

04:25:12.780 pinpoint by location what we've got to do is pinpoint by area and then shop the market on

04:25:21.760 what's there um there was nothing there was nothing on the market that i saw in

04:25:33.760 saint augustine or in saint john's county there that was going to be suitable there was one down

04:25:41.840 the coast a little ways i'm trying to think of exactly where that was that was something we

04:25:47.200 looked into and it was beyond our means a little bit but finding a hoff in the area a lot of it is

04:25:56.480 searching the market for something that is first on the market zoned correctly the correct kind

04:26:04.560 of building with the correct things that we need um and priced in a in a place that we could afford

04:26:14.240 and white springs was the was the best of that florida had a lot of options a lot of them were

04:26:25.120 it didn't have a lot of options in our range it had a whole lot of um like mega church

04:26:33.920 five million plus uh options i would have loved to get something like that for new order

04:26:40.080 um at this time that's that wasn't doable for us but we were able to get this one um and it's

04:26:47.560 amazing but that's why uh one in St. Augustine would have been awesome I uh I don't know if you

04:26:53.800 know that's where my wife is from that's where I lived for two years and and worked there and

04:27:02.020 and spent a lot of time there so St. Augustine is great we would have loved to have had one there

04:27:06.880 But White Springs is only, what, I think two hours from St. Augustine.

04:27:11.140 And it's awesome.

04:27:13.680 And with any of these searches for the Hoffs, Svon talked a little bit earlier about Thor's Hoff and how it came to be.

04:27:20.700 But I really believe, and this is something we're committed to, we want to put out the effort, do the very best we can on our end,

04:27:32.180 and pray in the midst of it that, you know, that God will guide us to a hoff that will honor them and make them happy.

04:27:45.720 And when we do the best that we can, I very much think that our gods help guide that.

04:27:54.320 And I think, you know, within the bounds of what's achievable and what's reasonable for us to do.

04:27:59.360 but i think they guide that to where we end up with you know the perfect off and the perfect

04:28:05.420 place for that time and for for our means at that at that stage i really feel like that it's it's

04:28:13.060 sketchy during the process because you get your heart set on one or the other and you get really

04:28:18.520 invested and some things don't work out that completely should have worked out and then things

04:28:24.240 you know opportunities appear seemingly out of nowhere so um you know i i it's our hope and it's

04:28:31.800 what we try to do to get our gods to help guide that process to where it ends up in something

04:28:38.680 that they're going to be happy with and be honored by and be proud of and we just got to make sure

04:28:44.000 we're doing our part and that's how it ended up in in white springs which is really cool and i

04:28:51.000 you come visit it if you haven't gotten a chance to already um next up did i hear correctly the afa

04:29:00.280 has a ceremonial historical sword we absolutely do sword is named relentless performed a naming

04:29:09.240 for it at siger bloat of 2023 it is a model 1840 heavy cavalry saber um confederate use it's got um

04:29:27.400 offensive nicks in the blade that are storied to be from from use in the recent unpleasantness

04:29:37.480 yeah that model of sword was called old risk breaker because it was heavier than

04:29:47.400 than other cavalry saber saber models

04:29:50.100 it's it's amazing it's beautiful it is powerful and magnificent and i'm really

04:30:00.180 uh excited that we have that um i think it brings something really special

04:30:08.820 to us and a really the sword came to us already with a with a mighty

04:30:14.660 hominia to it that hopefully we we add to and it carries forth uh

04:30:21.700 throughout the throughout the march of time there nick posted a picture

04:30:30.180 um York soft has one uh Odin soft has one too I don't believe that Thorshoff or Baldur soft have

04:30:41.940 one yet either but the picture Nick posted um is from the naming of the sword uh it

04:30:51.900 features me looking disgusting like sweating through my my AFA sleepless shirt I got there

04:30:58.200 Did the best I can, but that's outdoors in Tennessee in July on the top of the mountain we had to hike to.

04:31:04.440 So I tried, but that was juicy.

04:31:09.960 And there is Trent with the ceremonial sword for New York's Hoff.

04:31:14.820 that was once a marine saber from a member that we have actually lives close to me out here in

04:31:27.940 Nevada but he wanted to have that be the ceremonial sword for Njortzhov and yeah that's that's what we

04:31:38.040 i have my family sword but it is exceedingly sharp i don't know about using it in certain

04:31:48.360 ceremonies and possibly that's what i'm trying to get with relentless we're gonna have uh christian

04:31:55.960 sharpen it up traditionally to get it uh nice and nice razor sharp but without messing with the

04:32:03.160 temper so we've got some work to do on it but he's uh made an amazing scabbard for it that i

04:32:11.480 look forward to connecting sword and scabbard we've got the sword in uh actually the sword for

04:32:18.040 right now is with uh witten dan young in south carolina and the scabbard is

04:32:25.320 up with christian in it's either with him in north dakota or it's at balder soft proper so we need

04:32:35.080 to get get those two to meet up at some point um the next one what do you think of near-death

04:32:44.040 experiences uh swan do you have thoughts on near-death experiences uh i think that near-death

04:32:53.080 experiences especially if you're looking at a lot of them say from i can't remember the gentleman's

04:33:01.240 name there was an actual scientific study done by one in particular um but i think that the genuine

04:33:09.720 experiences of it confirm a lot of what we believe in our faith the idea that the ancestors

04:33:18.680 and their relation to uh enveloping and embracing uh someone who passes um seems to be a consistent

04:33:28.680 theme over and over and over again um some people have spoken of uh ill uh things or they're going

04:33:36.520 to bad places i wonder sometimes when they're like oh i go there and i saw you know i see the

04:33:41.720 the horn to devil or i see i go up and i see jesus a lot of those folks are again religiously

04:33:48.760 motivated and perhaps they you know construed certain things like i wonder how many people

04:33:54.680 think they see angels but they're more akin to to light elves or leo salvar um

04:34:02.760 but the ancestral part seems to confirm continuously that when we pass um and and

04:34:10.120 And then the people that come back that have that out-of-body experience see themselves in their localized area.

04:34:17.740 I mean, that just confirms we have a soul.

04:34:20.280 And I mean, we obviously believe that.

04:34:22.720 And so I think that near-death experiences are, again, just more or less, most of them are confirmations of what our faith already has established within organization, structuring the ideas of what your soul could be,

04:34:39.200 what your your ego and your thought and your memory and all of that that passes on

04:34:46.160 pretty much what we've been talking about a lot i think uh i'm not a i don't turn my nose down at

04:34:51.360 it at all that's i think the best thing i think near-death experiences are

04:34:59.040 very i absolutely believe in them i think they're very special um i think that one of

04:35:09.200 Certain facts about existence are just true, and different people at different times, different places can screw them through a different framework or a different understanding, but real things are real things.

04:35:25.980 One thing that has always been common is approaching death facilitates interaction through the veil.

04:35:41.240 That's why in shamanic initiations and things, the shaman brings themselves to the very brink of death, and they come back with a knowledge.

04:35:53.520 that's why we see in our lore uh odin pinning himself to the world tree to the point of death

04:36:02.160 sacrificing himself to himself and and hanging there in order to win the runes um

04:36:11.920 you see that we see people who have near-death experiences and come back

04:36:17.920 express a lot of points of commonality that we know to be true the interaction being met by

04:36:25.040 members of your family that teaches us a truth that i think we all fundamentally

04:36:33.120 believe or at least fundamentally long to believe that seems very much confirmed by that

04:36:38.800 the ideas of of beings of light interacting with us and trying to guide us through the veil to the

04:36:48.280 other side are those angels are they light elves are they any number of other things depending on

04:36:57.220 who you are and what you believe you may name them something different but the important fact is they

04:37:03.280 are um i think in a lot of ways it confirms that there is something beyond this that there is

04:37:13.500 something waiting for us beyond the veil certainly we all know that and believe that we wouldn't be

04:37:18.680 here doing and saying the things we're saying but it confirmation helps a lot and that's just a human

04:37:25.420 need we can have faith all day long but there's something different when you've seen it or you've

04:37:30.940 been there you get a message from the other side and i think your experiences are profound and i

04:37:38.940 think we do well to think on those learn from those analyze those and uh and grow from them

04:37:48.940 as i mean as a people obviously the person experiences them certainly but the rest of us

04:37:55.100 to take note of them and to, you know, to really think on them.

04:38:00.680 I think there's a lot of potential to learn a lot of things that way.

04:38:06.760 All right.

04:38:14.880 Which Hoff will get the Mega Hoff or which God will get the Mega Hoff?

04:38:19.100 um i think that depends on which uh which hof we're on that at that point if we have a radical

04:38:28.040 acceleration of our membership and our donor base in the next you know decade or two then uh we've

04:38:36.500 got a list of names in an order that we'll find where that's at um after that we'll really see

04:38:42.200 um i think the cool point would be to get to the point where we could afford that because

04:38:47.680 specifically those that we looked at they have you know entire campuses that are well set up for

04:38:53.520 meetings with you know thousands of people um they've got uh broadcast studios there they've

04:39:00.320 got really nice things at those hoffs or at those churches rather that we would turn into a hoff

04:39:06.960 that would be really cool but we would need enough of our people to come home to make that to make

04:39:12.640 sense. Uh, but yeah, it's exciting. I hope, I hope, I hope we figure out which God will get the

04:39:18.480 mega Hoff, uh, in my lifetime. Uh, next question. Is it common for people to call Frigga the all

04:39:26.620 mother? I don't know what's below common, but above uncommon. Like it's, it's normal. And

04:39:38.520 something that you hear often i don't think that most people do necessarily but lots of people

04:39:46.120 certainly do is that your experience swan yeah i would say it's common enough um i think it's

04:39:55.480 an equivalency thing it is it's like calling the queen queen because of the king um and and

04:40:03.880 certainly to uh lady frigga is in our stories the the the progenitor of many of the divine

04:40:13.720 um forms and she herself is uh you know is given of birth from yar the earth um

04:40:23.320 and so you know it's it's there is a lot like there but i think it's a more of an equivalency

04:40:31.480 thing the other thing is is that you know it was kind of seen as uh lady frigga in her ability to

04:40:38.760 kind of read the skein of all um things around her through her

04:40:47.400 messengers through the maidens or the the maidens of fensal or the other goddesses

04:40:53.000 kind of worked as emissaries um throughout the lands if if you wanted to be or if you

04:41:00.680 were protected by frega it was through lean or lena if you were to receive love at the you know

04:41:07.640 at the behest of her dominion it was done through her maiden sylvan or um you know if you were uh to

04:41:15.400 be given good lands and and a fertile uh place it was done through her maiden gavion so she seems to

04:41:23.320 have a very kind of stasis throne as opposed to lord woven who is very dynamic and all of

04:41:30.920 her machinations are done from the the throne or from the the castle or from very very i find it

04:41:40.040 super um correlative to the idea of like the woman that is home but she has so much power 0.99

04:41:47.960 and sway because she has eyes and ears everywhere people loyal um and and moving and bringing

04:41:56.200 information back but yet she doesn't speak upon it which is what is you know said she knows all

04:42:01.920 but speaks very little of it but yeah i think it's common enough all right um

04:42:10.240 could there be a ceremonial gun or knife or some other modern weapon absolutely there could be a

04:42:19.600 ceremonial any object that you want to imbue with its own might its own homenia and place

04:42:31.200 luck and i don't know beingness within that was why it was so important to do a naming for it

04:42:39.700 because a name bestows that individualized identity into an item where it gets a mania

04:42:47.780 of its own to a degree it's obviously not the same as a child or a living person

04:42:54.500 but it makes it something more than an object and something less than a person

04:43:01.940 but yes certainly you could use any number of of things you could absolutely use a modern weapon

04:43:08.020 i think that's completely appropriate um

04:43:14.820 yeah yeah absolutely any anything that you would like um a sword is a particularly

04:43:23.380 um potent image for our folks since the dawn of time so it was something that was important to me

04:43:31.140 to be that symbolic weapon that embodies the might of the afa but as i mentioned earlier

04:43:37.460 want to sharpen it up to battle ready razor sharp edge on it not that i'm going to use it that way

04:43:47.540 but because it is a sword and i want to honor it and honor

04:43:53.860 what it is meant to be um and so i think that giving thought to the why on something is is

04:44:03.380 very important too but absolutely you could do that with a with a modern weapon our faith isn't

04:44:10.020 stuck in a certain period of time it's one of the reasons that it was special to me to use

04:44:16.020 a civil war cavalry saber is it's not uh you know it's not confined to the viking age it's not

04:44:23.700 ancient it's something that people who looked and lived in many ways much like ourselves

04:44:31.060 were associated with and could use and understand um so it's a very different context and i think

04:44:37.300 it was significant because it is going to live at the afa capital in sigerheim uh in tennessee

04:44:45.780 which was a for anybody international which was one of the states that that seceded uh it was

04:44:52.100 part of the confederacy during the civil war so i think it's it's special in that regard as well

04:44:57.940 and there was a lot of cavalry action in that war in tennessee um next one

04:45:05.620 are valkyries based on angels or angels based on valkyries

04:45:12.820 svan what are you what are your thoughts on that oh i gotta i got a good one on this one

04:45:19.140 um first of all it's worth noting that angelos the messenger in greek comes from when

04:45:27.940 um the jews that were coming from the middle east that would eventually establish christianity

04:45:36.100 um at the time they were a basically seen as a splinter judaic group that was heretical

04:45:45.780 because they chose a person that i guess wasn't backed by the pharisees

04:45:51.140 to be the messiah and the messiah if you believe in a messiah that's integral to judaic

04:45:57.940 thought i'm a you know a messiah the uh the ark of the covenant um all of that stuff is in

04:46:05.380 correlation to judaism and i hate like it's like some christians i'm like you're you're technically

04:46:11.740 a subsect of judaism and they're like no we're not it's like do you believe in a messiah because

04:46:16.180 the word itself and everything about it is from judaism but angels on the other hand um when you

04:46:24.960 look at samarian and semitic groups uh semitics semites are just people that speak the language

04:46:32.640 of shem so this includes uh modern day um hebrews or israelites um and modern day arabs are also

04:46:42.160 semites but uh you know going back to the samarians the babylonians and so on they generally had four

04:46:49.280 Or the reason why I looked this up was because of iconography that for the murals, they have interlocking wings, oftentimes two up, two down, sometimes crossed over, sometimes in multiples.

04:47:02.680 You can see some of this surviving in Byzantine Christianity, where they mix the Hellenic concept of a winged messenger with some of the Semitic, where they might just have a head with a halo and a bunch of wings around it.

04:47:19.120 that's a combo of those two worlds but where the hellenic actually comes from um it's going to

04:47:26.540 blow your mind if you look up etruscan demons especially etruscan demons of the underworld

04:47:34.100 there um it throws people off and it's kind of funny to to send people into that rabbit hole

04:47:40.860 but i'll explain why the word demon doesn't mean what christians turned that greek word into

04:47:46.760 It just means less than or demigod, if you will.

04:47:52.340 In essence, Hercules was a demon, according to the Greek usage of the word.

04:47:58.840 And the winged beings that angels kind of represent actually come from the Hellenics,

04:48:05.820 and they really pulled a lot of theirs from the Etruscans.

04:48:09.540 The Etruscans had a very heavy art motif built around winged creatures, winged people, winged helmets, winged sandals, winged horses.

04:48:21.780 That was a big one.

04:48:24.180 So there was a huge amount of the usage of wings, but they were always just double, just two wings, like as you would see in, say, modern Christianity's usage of angels.

04:48:36.660 um the usage of wings on valkyries or valkyria didn't really come about until um there was the

04:48:44.000 saga of the the two brothers that find the swan maidens um who are valkyries uh and they're

04:48:52.860 outside they've shed their swan skins to bathe in um uh i believe it's a lake and and then they

04:49:03.400 steal the skins and therefore capture the Valkyries and take them as brides. And a lot of people view

04:49:08.800 that as an allegoric myth about coming in contact with your own higher self. And that's why the

04:49:16.180 Valkyrie oftentimes takes that position in a lot of, like, I guess, framework of the Valkyrie.

04:49:24.020 But they really didn't have winged motifs until later. Perhaps they were influenced by

04:49:31.320 um the epics of of the homeric hellenic uh greatness but um clearly the winged sense

04:49:41.220 is very european it is predominantly hellenic european um same with the um the uh radiant

04:49:48.920 halo but we see that kind of influencing in europe long before christianity arrives

04:49:55.440 So that's kind of a funny thing that most of the Christian angelic art comes from Etruscan demons.

04:50:05.520 It's always fun to watch people like spaz out about that.

04:50:10.280 But again, the Valkyria in their names is that they are carriers, not necessarily messengers.

04:50:25.440 they don't do a lot of talking. In essence, they're the grasping manifestation of Lord Woden,

04:50:33.440 and they take in the form of the fates and the furies. And the fact that they're female could 0.97

04:50:40.420 very much be from a time in which the Teutonic people, the Gaulish people, and the Hellenic

04:50:47.980 people, like the Thracians and such, were all very, very intertwined in their usage of a battle

04:50:55.820 maiden, fury, mori, muse, and female kind of counterpart to the slain or to the warrior

04:51:09.560 itself. I've always wanted to do a class on in-depth on the Valkyria, but yeah, the usage

04:51:18.580 of wings and wingedness, sometimes later on during world, like turn of the century, World

04:51:23.980 War I, World War II, a lot of the art that was done was revitalizing Germanicism, but

04:51:30.260 they were angelicizing the Valkyrie, which I don't, you know, I don't turn my nose towards

04:51:37.700 that either um but that's when it really came into being around that time especially with um

04:51:44.980 the operas and the romantic revivals those things kind of just organically blended together

04:51:53.220 yeah i don't think um

04:51:57.620 i don't think there's a one for one you know the one is directly from the other um

04:52:02.740 Um, the idea of winged flying messengers or enforcers or whatever from the gods, I think

04:52:18.400 is a very old concept.

04:52:19.860 I think it's a very old Aryan concept that you see in Zoroastrianism and, you know, very

04:52:27.860 ancient things.

04:52:28.860 I think the difference is pretty, like, beautiful to look upon emissaries from the gods is very different than creepy Jewish angels that initially are terrifying and not what later medieval Europeans depict them as. 0.67

04:52:55.320 So I think there's a big separation in Jewish angels and, you know, Aryan messengers of the gods. 0.69

04:53:06.380 They're really different. 0.89

04:53:07.660 And the follow-up question to that is, can the Valkyries be followed and honored like the gods?

04:53:13.620 No, they could be.

04:53:16.900 Could you engage in the gift cycle with them?

04:53:21.380 Sure.

04:53:21.940 you can honor them in that way you can worship them in that way

04:53:27.980 followed I don't know because typically they're not full of their own will in their own direction

04:53:35.360 they serve as as instruments of the will of the all-father so I think that's an interesting choice

04:53:49.100 I would never say that you could not do that.

04:53:51.880 They're elevated to a status certainly above us in this existence.

04:54:00.220 I would wonder why that would be a choice that you would choose to do,

04:54:04.160 or if there was a specific one you would devote that towards.

04:54:07.700 But you could certainly do that.

04:54:10.200 I don't think it would be improper.

04:54:11.620 our next question is what are your thoughts on the claim that Freya and Frigga are the same

04:54:21.800 they're not we've been through this many times on this program they are very very distinct and

04:54:30.780 they're very opposite in what they embody and we see this time and again in Aryan religiosity

04:54:41.620 But you have this concept of the horse goddess and the cow goddess, the idea of the married woman, the mother, the queen, the noble woman inside the context of relationship.

04:55:11.620 context of marriage context of society and then you have the unmarried free um unbridled passionate

04:55:23.380 magical wild characteristic of of women that's personified by lady freya and they're very

04:55:36.260 different inclinations and they're very different expressions of femininity and expressions of

04:55:46.500 feminine magic in very different ways they are in a lot of ways very complementary of one another

04:55:52.980 but they are certainly very distinct they're distinct all around the only thing that connects

04:55:58.180 them is a similarity in language and uh yeah they're they're different

04:56:13.780 um

04:56:17.780 last question well okay so our second to last question and then we got our last question

04:56:24.180 what are your thoughts on the hyperborean radio guys and all other pagan contrarians

04:56:30.740 i have no idea who those guys are um a large part of the show has already been talked about

04:56:39.380 i don't like pagan contrarians we talked about the wolves that seek to devour the sun and the moon

04:56:49.140 are literally named you know mockery and and hatred in the sense of heckling and criticism

04:57:00.020 people that have made that their entire existence detract from all of the things we try to do and

04:57:10.580 if they put the energy they put into being contrary into moving this forward

04:57:18.580 we would be so much further along by now they are they are the thing that holds us back more

04:57:26.020 than anything else is people that i would put in that kind of category um what are your thoughts

04:57:33.620 on that swan i'm not i'm not 100 familiar with them either um i i mean outside of that i don't

04:57:43.860 know pagan contrarians uh i mean if the people are named hyperborean radio guys i wonder

04:57:51.620 contrary in what direction um they might be yeah i had to just kind of riff off it because i don't

04:57:57.620 know those guys i know there is a sphere of you know the well actually crowd that

04:58:04.340 criticizes stuff and i'm assuming this is part of that in some way

04:58:09.140 oh yeah i don't i'm not familiar and again there's there are the contrarians uh against

04:58:17.380 christianity there's contrarians against us um anything that galvanizes into a organized and

04:58:26.080 well well moving and like conquering and conquering their goals and getting their

04:58:31.980 things going and then there's always people that are like ah you know trying to again

04:58:37.400 Scotland Hathi, but

04:58:40.020 I don't know too much about

04:58:42.380 them.

04:58:43.900 So the last question,

04:58:46.160 I'm looping it with two parts

04:58:47.940 because

04:58:48.380 they're very similar.

04:58:52.260 Do you think our folk would be

04:58:54.040 in a much better place today if 1.00

04:58:56.180 Christianity didn't exist?

04:58:58.320 Or do you think Christianity was a

04:59:00.040 necessary step in the evolution 0.84

04:59:01.660 of Arian kind? 0.94

04:59:04.560 Kind of a follow-up that I

04:59:06.100 believe is related to it,

04:59:07.400 is if Christianity is a step in our people becoming more atheist,

04:59:18.920 also a necessary step in our evolution. 0.89

04:59:22.280 So I'm going to say that means if Christianity is Christianity,

04:59:30.840 I don't know, something is the phase of Christianity

04:59:35.600 and the phase of atheism necessary steps in the evolution of our folk.

04:59:40.360 And I reject both.

04:59:41.580 I think both are extremely detrimental to our folk.

04:59:47.000 Our people are spiritual people.

04:59:48.980 They always have been.

04:59:50.540 That's a need that they have.

04:59:52.000 And the vacuum will be filled either by something authentic 0.52

04:59:55.180 or by something foreign and imported.

04:59:57.980 And then you do your best to play the mental gymnastics. 0.79

05:00:00.400 I think the fact that so much mental gymnastics was played for our people to try to be a sect of Judaism as opposed to our native faith caused so much dysfunction in our soul and internal conflict that manifested in countless perversions and metastasism. 0.92

05:00:26.400 So, no, I think that Christianity was terrible for our folk, and I would have loved to have seen where our society would have gone had we not have that poison injected to us, especially in such an early period. 0.73

05:00:43.060 I would have loved to see what that happened. 0.98

05:00:45.060 The atheism as a palate cleanser from Christianity serves a function, I suppose. 0.69

05:00:53.640 But again, I would prefer we had neither and stayed with our authentic faith and saw where that went.

05:01:01.480 What are your thoughts, Swan?

05:01:02.600 um the only uh spot that i see when we talk about catholicism and a lot of the paganism

05:01:15.460 within catholicism um most of their ceremony most of uh the the aspergments and i mean just so much

05:01:25.740 of it is paganism is roman paganism the way that they view their saints in relation to praying

05:01:34.200 them for certain reasons is very um again it's a polytheistic light um it's okay as long as they're

05:01:40.700 mortals but we're still going to pray to them anyways um uh and and their reasonings and their

05:01:46.180 gift cycles that they could they actually have uh a gift cycle sense um that stuff there i think is

05:01:53.480 not necessarily christianity making paganism better i think it was paganism making christianity

05:01:59.420 tolerable um to a degree uh and and it expounded it got very beautiful but that's the hellenics

05:02:07.940 the hellenics have always had you just you know absolute ah you know keno aesthetics when it came

05:02:14.880 to like art and especially they had the great mediums of marble and things like that that they

05:02:20.480 very malleable stones and painting was great and all of that stuff but as far as the long run no

05:02:26.720 i don't i think that everything subsequently after that was a ultimate rejection i think

05:02:33.480 protestantism was a rejection um of christianity but they also somehow got away from the paganism

05:02:42.280 and they hard-lined more into the semiticism of christianity so it was it was really strange like

05:02:49.480 they were getting away from perhaps Christianity being a unifying force of governance in Europe.

05:03:00.860 And they in turn got away from it, but then they doubled down with like the pilgrims kind of 0.59

05:03:05.620 going extra hard into a lot of the Semiticism of Christianity. So it ultimately didn't do or

05:03:13.880 bode well for us. And then the other thing is, is I think atheism is a product of Christianity

05:03:18.520 because it follows a step you lose the ethno faith you you join a universal faith you try to

05:03:26.940 ethno that universal faith and it doesn't fit it doesn't work it's the timing is off and then

05:03:33.920 after a while kind of encoupled with um you know not having being against science or having a

05:03:43.540 conflict of science as opposed to perhaps understanding that science is a tool uh for a

05:03:49.780 better way for us to explore and do things there was this kind of antagonism and that created this

05:03:55.780 polaric tug of war that ultimately led to a lot of christians going well

05:04:02.020 that the divine is so obscure so broad has no real name uh had a name in the bible

05:04:10.180 but had a name different name now you know there's there's yahweh and yehovah and then

05:04:14.740 it just turned into god and god turned into just everything and everywhere and everyone

05:04:20.100 and the european people could never really kind of scratch the surface and get into the bible and

05:04:24.740 really understand a lot of that because it was of a different people so i think ultimately

05:04:29.540 one beget the other and in the long run of things no it didn't really help us and i'm i'm with i'm

05:04:34.900 with alzeragothi i would really have loved to see where the teutonic and the hellenic perhaps

05:04:43.220 running parallel with each other would have gone um with their faith as an ethnic faiths

05:04:52.100 um i mean because again our religion was very pan germanic it was a very much across the northern

05:04:59.300 part of europe just like the hellenic was very much you know the etruscans and the romans and

05:05:04.340 the greeks we had you know very much with the um even within the teutonic people but also 0.82

05:05:11.380 kind of the admixture with the gulls and the slobs and and that that would have been a truly

05:05:16.420 interesting thing to see but i think a lot of what we ultimately come to some of the beauty of

05:05:21.380 europeanism in christianity in uh aussitrew or in northern european native faiths and in southern

05:05:28.980 european native faiths always show through and um they never really went away we just we've been

05:05:36.020 stifled and now that a lot of that's dropping away um perhaps the evolutionary process was to

05:05:45.460 find out or to utilize what was truly important our ancestors didn't realize how important it

05:05:51.860 would be to write things down until it was probably too late our ancestors didn't realize

05:05:57.300 how important it was to make you know governance and and and religion together until it was probably

05:06:05.700 too late so now that we're through that and we realize these things worked for others we should

05:06:13.060 consider it these tools and use them for success so that we don't have to go through this again

05:06:19.460 all right guys well thank you for being with us tonight uh svan thank you for your continuing

05:06:29.220 discussion of this uh foundational bit of our lore we look forward to seeing you guys

05:06:36.820 next week as we conclude our series on the belus bow um yeah thank you guys very much

05:06:44.580 for being here and participating until then hail the gods hill folk hill the afa remember victory

05:06:53.300 never sleeps thanks guys

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Asatru Folk Assembly - January 11, 2024

1⧸10⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 79 - Völuspá, Part 2

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