00:15:22.780He not only carves the horns, but it's carved and painted
00:15:29.080a beautiful work with the metallic paints and it's got a little end thingy suppose of finial perhaps
00:15:39.800oh yeah cap but yeah that's uh that's what i got um yeah i think a lot of people don't
00:15:49.400realize too like the the imagery that we utilize of the 12 spoke sun wheel or sun and rod behind the
00:15:56.120The gods is, of course, like representing the 12 Asa or Aus, the gods of order.
00:16:07.260So the fact that, you know, he kind of paid attention to that detail and with the art having that reoccurring iconography that we are kind of culturally using is becoming more and more, I think, prevalent with other artists.
00:16:23.540so that's that's why i'm really i like the detail of that
00:16:31.140all right i was requested to do a 360.
00:16:40.900i am currently looking at this on a little bit of a delay on the way i'm viewing the camera thing
00:16:47.460here so i can't really tell if i'm getting it the way i want until after the damage is already done
00:16:53.540But that said, let's get back into the prophecy of the Seerus.
00:17:04.680okay so this is where we last left off some of you might not remember um they were the the uh
00:17:15.820was just now talking about the end of the war between the gods of cosmic order and the gods
00:17:26.940of natural law, the gods of fire and wind and light versus the gods of water and earth and of
00:17:35.900shade or murk, if you will. And of course, the next section broaches over, and this is where
00:17:45.860we kind of know that she's most likely referring to the story of the rebuilding of Ausgarder's
00:17:53.820walls because the next uh in in 26 um immediately she's you know in swelling rage then rose up thor
00:18:04.140seldom he sits when he hears such uh when such things he hears and oaths were broken and words
00:18:10.140and bonds and the mighty pledges between them made so the way that it's kind of worded
00:18:15.740it's more or less like the first half of that is referencing to the return um
00:18:23.600his return over in that story of specifically when he kind of rises up behind the um
00:18:30.840the uh yotan after the yotan had kind of deceived the gods by presenting himself as a
00:18:39.060a mortal or a man. And that's, that's kind of a funny thing. I think, um, a lot of times in our0.62
00:18:46.440lore, these transitions and transformations are always kind of linked towards deception.
00:18:54.080Sometimes it can be cunning deception and it's utilized by the gods. And then other times it's
00:18:59.440not, and it's, it's seen as, um, uh, treacherous, but it's, it's a neutral ground unless there are
00:19:06.740certain things kind of crossed. If you lose yourself in that, so when the Jotun is mentioned
00:19:14.760as kind of as a mortal, and whether this is Snorri's euhemorization or it was simply a plot0.67
00:19:21.660hook, the idea is that after he reveals himself, he is no longer a mortal, he's a Jotun. But bear
00:19:31.700in mind, earlier in the story, he was trying to get the sun and the moon and Freyja to light his
00:19:41.920house and to warm his bed is basically what he says. And so it's kind of a tongue-in-cheek
00:19:50.560understanding. It's not necessarily a literalism in any way, shape, or form. And I think that
00:19:56.700that's what when they're when when the vala is referring to the the oaths that are broken and
00:20:01.620the words and the bonds is the referencing that in that part it all kind of shifts and he didn't
00:20:10.260he wasn't able to keep his time and he wasn't truly what he presented himself to be um is a huge
00:20:18.660weight of or gravitas of the story. So that's when, uh, Asathor, the storm father steps in and,
00:20:28.780um, smites the Jotun as he often does, um, in our stories. And so it's, she's in essence, uh,0.99
00:20:38.720number, uh, verse 26 is, is referring back to 25. And that is ultimately the Vala is referring to
00:20:46.120the story of the rebuilding of Ausgarder's walls. Then she mentions in 27, and this is an
00:20:55.920interesting one, I know of the horn of Heimdall. Of course, she's speaking about Gjallarhorn.
00:21:06.800Hidden under the high-reaching holy tree, on it their pores, from Valfather's pledge,
00:21:14.940a mighty stream would you know yet more now this that part there is is you're going to see
00:21:23.080that the best way to look at it is when the vala starts to bring herself towards what would be
00:21:31.680perhaps the present of the story she's talked about the past now she's shifting over to the
00:21:37.740present. And that is when you, you see, you know, when, when she says, you know,
00:21:43.760she's saying, do you want to know more? And she'll say that over and over again. And that is
00:21:52.480a hundred percent the middle of the poem. And so I've always equated it to the present.
00:22:01.400Even though she's still kind of referencing secrets, she's referencing secrets that are known
00:22:07.320now, not necessarily from the past. And this verse too is very, very interesting. So generally,
00:22:16.980it causes quite a bit of confusion. And there's confusion in Grimnismal and in the Volaspal
00:22:25.760about where the residing place of which Gjallarhorn is set. And some people wonder if it is in
00:22:35.420Earth's well, or if it is in Mimir's well. And again, Mimir's well being the caveat that is that
00:22:45.420no one knows where Mimir's well is except for one, Lord Woden. So how would that be? And I think that
00:22:53.500the the um the true point of this verse is that it is in earth as well in heaven because of the
00:23:04.840the the problem with the pledge people focus on the removal of the eye in in relation to this
00:23:12.760and i wonder and i'm you know still many things to think about and still kind of looking through
00:23:17.980is that there was another pledge that was made over a well,
00:23:22.480and that was, of course, Lord Woden's sacrifice to himself upon Yggdrasil
00:23:29.500and looking down into the waters of Earth's well.
00:23:34.520So I think that some of the confusion may have been there.
00:23:40.060But again, there also seems to be that Snorri Sturluson sometimes mixed up some of the spots, or perhaps as they were being written down and as they were being comprised, some of the spots get mixed to where, for instance, in the Guilfaginning, it's mentioned where the roots go.
00:24:02.340But in Grimnismal, the roots are mixed up. There's one in heaven, there's one in Jotunheim, and there's one in Midgarth. So it's like it gets, I think these might actually be somewhat grammatical errors.
00:24:20.760I don't think that there's too many or that there may have been a mix up or perhaps kind of a crossing of lines as far as getting the consistency of it.
00:24:32.360So I think that this is one of those kind of mysteries where people ask, like, well, if Lord of Odin knows where, only knows where Mimr's well is, how did Heimdall's horn get there?
00:24:43.700Unless, and this is the big one, Heimdall is Odin. And that is one of those, again, for anybody that's new to the Ocetor-Focus family, we don't hypostasis. And so I feel like that's a bit of a cramming point.
00:25:02.080And even Edward Thorson is, you know, Dr. Stephen Flowers, under his pen name, Edward Thorson, made some suggestions that the possibility of Heimdall being Lord Odin.
00:25:19.060And I don't prescribe to that, but I think that this is one of those passages that really kind of leans towards starting to question that.
00:25:31.440But I think that it's also worth noting, the Valfather's pledge and sacrifice was taken on Yggdrasil as well, not just Mimir as well.
00:25:44.560And so the, the idea that his, his, um, uh, sacrifice there and the, and the things that he gained, uh, as opposed to simply the eye, it's the whole, his whole being was gone and then returned from it.
00:26:03.060So, just something interesting there, but she's, again, reemphasizing that this is the present moment, and she's starting to kind of reveal secrets, and that is showing, again, her power.
00:27:15.080it's important so I'm going to reiterate it a lot
00:27:17.020If you are approaching our faith as a literary exercise, then absolutely trimming the fat and merging things that seem confusing to make fluid movement in the story makes a lot of sense if it is a work of fiction.
00:27:39.100If, on the other hand, your purpose in the pursuit of study is piety towards our gods, and our lore is a tool to understand our gods, it's a very different story indeed.
00:27:56.480Your job is in that pursuit is to find truth from the lore as opposed to construct a literary story that's pleasing to modern sensibilities.
00:28:19.100So, and this may sound like a really simple way to look at it.
00:28:26.440I think a lot of the ways that I try to approach our faith are very simple.
00:28:32.320And I like to move from the simple to the complex because I think the simple paints things in the highest contrast and the easiest to understand.
00:28:45.340So, and this sounds dumb even saying it, but I'm going to put it out there.
00:28:55.620If you are worshiping all of the gods in our stories that are appropriate for worship,
00:29:07.680and you make the mistake, and two of those gods happen to actually be the same god,
00:29:13.520no harm no foul that god gets double worship under under different names nobody is nobody
00:29:23.260is cheated in that equation but if admittedly from a point of confusion you're not sure
00:29:32.640whether they're the same god or not but it's just easier to think that they are
00:29:37.040you run the very serious risk of one of those gods being cut off from the worship of our folk
00:29:47.280and i can think of no greater impiety impiety than to separate one of our gods from the worship of
00:30:00.000our folk um there's absolutely cases in our world where there are multiple names for the same god
00:30:09.120and or the same goddess and we we accept that and there are cases where that's
00:30:16.240absolutely true in the instance of odin and heimdall it's not um
00:30:23.040we do not have significant reason to believe that it is the
00:30:30.720positions that they serve within the family of our gods are very different and very distinct
00:30:39.800there's a lot of things that are very distinct but there are obviously clear similarities
00:30:45.420when dealing with mythic understandings again when you talk about these wells
00:30:52.900it teaches us these different sources of
00:30:58.320i'm trying to say how to think of how to describe the wells and what to liken to
00:31:07.220them to besides wells but it really is a good analogy of these sources of us pulling up
00:31:16.220things the well of memory and the well of earth are very similar in a lot of ways
00:31:22.540if you have to combine elements of a story to make them make sense i am much more likely to combine
00:31:30.140the wells than i am to combine the two gods i think that's a much more pious way to make
00:31:37.820the stanza make sense if that's where we're going and i think there's a lot of
00:55:18.060um you know we see then that she comes to uh i saw for balder the bleeding god the son of odin his
00:55:28.220destiny is set famous and fair in the lofty fields full grown in strength their mistletoe stood so
00:55:36.460she's again coyishly playing with the fact that the ultimate doom was in such a pleasant place
00:55:43.980a place unknown un un um you know unobserved just kind of lot left and she's toying with lord
00:55:55.820volvin in this story and again remember it's this is the stories have to have an a certain level of
00:56:01.540entertainment value for the folk that are listening and so you know um she's making
00:56:08.060coy of this i saw for balder the bleeding god the fact of calling him the bleeding god is again
00:56:15.460kind of a strike the son of oath and his destiny set famous and fair in the lofty fields
00:56:22.960full grown in strength the mistletoe stood because again mistletoe is so slight and small like
00:56:29.640she's kind of playing up with the whole um how big how strong this tiny little sprig was
00:56:36.880and then she of course then reveals the whole point of it true is that from the branch which
00:56:42.740seemed so slender and fair came a harmful shaft that hother should hurl uh of course in the
00:56:49.800english they say hoth um hother is of course the the other half of balder the shadow he is the
00:56:58.880the blind and um you know but the brother of balder was born ere long and one night old
00:57:08.880fought odin's son now this causes a lot of confusion because again the audience is is
00:57:14.300understanding of certain things and this is making reference to another one of the holy
00:57:19.720Ausa, who is the lord of corrective might. And that is, of course, Vaoli. And so there are switching
00:57:30.900here that from the branch, which seems so slender and fair, came a harmful shaft that
00:57:36.460Hoth did hurl. But the brother of Baldr, which again is now she's referring to Vaoli,
00:57:42.700was born nearly not very long and one night old killed hog and that's what she's referencing to
00:57:52.180because again he had to immediately his existence uh was brought about with the entire intent of
00:58:00.940correcting uh balance which means that if balder the light must fall then so too must hother the
00:58:08.540dark because they are interconnected um it is as much the consciousness to the shadow or the
00:58:16.860to the um you know the the the ego or the subconscious in a way if we wanted to kind
00:58:22.380of conceptualize it like that and it was through vali's hand that born of the ausenia rinder
00:58:28.860he is not you know but one night old and he uh his exudes his power and um i like it you know
00:58:38.620the interesting uh usage of the story and he's covered in gore and not even bathed um in the
00:58:44.180guild beginning when it's mentioned um and yeah his hands were washed not his hair was not combed
00:58:51.780till he bore the bale blaze balder's foe again referring to the equilibrium of of
00:58:59.700putting holder on the pyre along with balder um but then we talk about the the you know
00:59:08.420but in fensaler did frig weep sore for valhalla's or valhall's need would yet would you know yet or
00:59:19.300more. And so here is the lament. And again, it's kind of a poke because our audience would
00:59:28.240understand that what Lady Frigga had to do in order to try to stop the death of Lord Balder
00:59:35.980was to create the oath of all things. All creation was to oath to not harm him. And
00:59:43.280yet still she weeps because she had failed. So it's a little bit of a poke.
00:59:49.300Now, this is a truly interesting part because I don't see anyone else except for perhaps in our interpretations of the lore, we're about to venture into something that a lot of people I think are confused about and they don't really know what to do because of, again, double namings that happen a lot in the lore.
01:00:17.460But for us, this is, again, still, Wawli is enacting more justice in equilibrium.
01:00:26.060Baldr is slain by Hodr, so Hodr has to be taken down.
01:00:29.980Then did Wawli slaughter Bonn's twist made fairly grim with those fetters of guts.
01:00:36.100And what we're talking about now is if Baldr and Hodr are in line with each other
01:00:45.920to be um you know in equilibrium that one dies the other has to die what ultimately happened
01:00:52.320the reason why we call loki the kinslayer is that loki took a son from his blood brother
01:01:02.160and blood brotherhood is like brotherhood it's it's he's a kinslayer that's a needling act and so
01:01:08.160So what would Vowli do? Again, the birth and him being a babe is kind of, again, showing that he's pure in focus. He's completely neutral and is enacting upon himself this.
01:01:22.520this um and so vali then slaughters loki's son and binds him as what she's referring to
01:01:32.280and a lot of people get this caught up because uh in uh loki's one of loki's sons is um you know
01:01:39.160is narvi and then volley is mentioned but i think that's actually an interplay of uh of
01:01:45.480in correction which they're referring to valley slaying loki's son norvi with with his
01:01:52.600also wife sigillon so that's an important
01:01:59.640that's an important thing to guard against as well in trying to understand our lower i've seen
01:02:07.480a lot of other people again if our lore were carved on stone on top of a mountain
01:02:20.600by the hand of one of our gods if it was perfectly imparted to one of our great
01:02:27.880prophets in a cave it's a very different thing um but our lore is not our lore teaches us and it
01:02:39.960approaches perfect truth through imperfect means and through understandings of scalds
01:02:48.200and poets and bards and elders over time um so there's inevitably pieces of it that are
01:02:57.160imperfect, that are mistranslated, that are, that you will find contradictions and flaws.
01:03:07.480It doesn't mean the truth of our faith is contradictory or flawed. It means the
01:03:14.260centuries, perhaps millennia of writing it down and recording it gets messed up a little bit.
01:03:22.980For example, if you look at the text we're reading right now, we find errors in it.
01:03:28.700We found one where it says mob when it means mourn.
01:03:31.760We found that, you know, what, two stanzas ago?
01:03:35.200It's clear when you look at the original text, it's just somebody mistyped something from the original Norse.
01:05:28.440And you don't cast out the wealth of evidence to the contrary because you found one exception.
01:05:39.900It's the exception that you should look upon with some skepticism if it flies in the face of a consistent body of lore that says otherwise.
01:05:50.700And that may not make sense right now.
01:05:52.700Some of you know what I'm talking about are going to understand it.
01:05:55.240But you'll see it as we go through the lore more fully when there's these little points that don't quite match up.
01:06:01.820It's, you know, you'll notice that Svan mentions perhaps little pieces that Snorri may get wrong or may transcribe in a slightly off way.
01:06:14.980These aren't arbitrary. It's because Svan is well versed in the existent body of our lore.
01:06:21.980So he is making sense within that context.
01:06:25.240as opposed to you know aha there's this one line because our lord doesn't work that way
01:06:33.480well and in particular with this situation there is a a problem about balance and arian mythos
01:06:42.280if voli kills holder but then the son of loki voli kills his brother people try to make that
01:06:53.000equation is hoth kills balder so uh loki's you know two sons will kill each other as well but
01:07:00.200this immediately negates the purpose of vali and and what he's he's come to do and again the there's
01:07:08.440no stating as to this other son of loki what happens after he kills his brother and binds him
01:07:16.440with it so there was there there was these gaps that we were looking at and the the linguistics
01:07:23.080of it speculate that perhaps it was not that case that vauly was the the uh instrument throughout
01:07:30.920the entirety and this is vauly olden son uh you know son of olden and and rinder and that he is
01:07:39.960enacting this vengeance because that was what that is what he is born to do and the moment you take0.92
01:07:44.920that and go oh well perhaps there was a kind of a double skip there and that it's narvi that's0.99
01:07:50.440slain by valley then everything is complete at that point and there's no gas well and so that's
01:07:57.400i noticed this because we all use wikipedia as an aid here and there for running into something
01:08:02.920really quick we'll quick look it up on wikipedia but the people that write about our faith on
01:08:08.440wikipedia aren't writing about it as a religion they're writing about it as an anthropological
01:08:14.680study in you know old norse literature and it it's different there and they entertain a lot of
01:08:24.120you know strange theories because their academic curiosities rather than trying
01:08:28.520to come to an understanding of truth it's very obvious in the story
01:08:33.640that the vow the only valley that's relevant is the valley especially when it has any overlap
01:08:41.720with this particular story and his purpose could not be more clear now to extrapolate
01:08:49.620the greater implications of him embodying the writing of the scales is done you know
01:08:58.600through Agothi's wisdom but just through a reading of the story in any way it's very obvious
01:09:04.700He is the instant birthing of vengeance that can't even comb his hair or wash the birth gore off before he accomplishes his task.
01:09:18.740And he gets vengeance for his brother and does right by his father and his family.
01:09:25.060And that is profoundly clear to anybody reading the story.
01:09:34.700And, a side note, I'm excited for Svan to paint that particular mural when we get to
01:12:19.100Yeah, and I think that the lore of our gods versus perhaps the devotion of our gods is that, you know, you have this small amount of lore, perhaps in poems, but to understand like that Vowley's eye, you know, is like the catching of Vowley's eye is both good and bad.
01:12:38.600Because the idea is that any imbalance within yourself can be shattered. So it's like the moment of being seen by the lens of the gods in action is like, do you want to be truly noticed? And are you prepared to stand before that understanding that despite all, he enacts that justice swiftly if need be?
01:13:05.720And I've always found with my personal religious workings with with Valley that I I speak in in oftentimes hushed tones and lower prayers.
01:13:16.580And I give offering with great humbleness because I don't think that we truly have the ability because we're mortal to really respect introspectively look at the balances within ourselves.
01:13:33.860And so I oftentimes have always very quietly and humbly given unto Vali gift because I don't want to, not offend, but just, again, it's a sense of reverence for a power that is always, again, just like with Lord Thor, the power that is around is good, but it can be very powerful.
01:14:03.340and unrelenting if so respect it you'll notice we've got you know we're into the second of three
01:14:16.140many hours long episodes about a you know 60 stanza poem or 66 stanza i believe that we
01:14:25.340could go through we could go through it very quickly but there's a lot of really important
01:14:29.900things that pop up that i think are um worthy of talking about and i want to make this one
01:14:37.740you know further extrapolation when we're talking about lord valley
01:14:44.380this goes to the very essence of so much of what we talk about and so much what i harp on on here
01:14:50.300we got very little i think a lot of people who are reconstructionist in their approach to our faith
01:15:02.540can wrap their head around you know how we would build a cult to to odin or to thor that
01:15:11.520we have so many stories and such a wealth of information on
01:15:15.880but they scratch their heads and don't know what to do in order to build an active worship
01:15:25.960of some of our gods that we don't have a wealth of knowledge on. We have very little.
01:15:34.540But this is what I mean. The lore is a tool to get to know our gods better.
01:15:39.400but i've always maintained and i believe and you know what
01:15:47.440x that i think that we're very used to i mentioned words being important earlier
01:15:52.840we have this ingrained humility on it it's not what i believe it's what i know
01:16:02.260So if we had none of our lore and we were without those things, we found ourselves on a distant planet, on a deserted island, and it was just us and our gods, we would build lore.
01:16:26.960And it's a huge hope of ours that by establishing Hoffs to some of these gods that we know less about, that we will build those relationships and those bonds in such a way that we'll be blessed with greater knowledge and greater understanding of them.
01:16:47.120and we've already seen that the relationships with our gods have grown as our Hoffs honoring
01:16:56.520them have been established in this regular worship that those Hoffs occur. So I'm excited
01:17:04.020for that as it grows and develops. But again, the law is a tool to help us build those relationships.
01:17:09.520what is most important is building that relationship with our gods i've said it before
01:17:17.140there's a profound difference in being a scholar on a subject and being someone who has a personal
01:17:25.420relationship with someone or i say with someone it's not uh it is a relationship
01:18:05.400And if you have the relationship with our gods and you have, you know, no knowledge of the Lord, or you've never, never seen it or didn't have access to it, you are closer to being Ossitru than the scholar who's never, you know, put his book down and prayed.
01:18:24.400um verse 35 there comes a point again and mentioning the um the uh the kinslayer again
01:18:40.800um and i wanted to bring up another point too because again uh the way that we organize things
01:18:46.860when we talk about the gods and we talk about hierarchy very little is said beyond that and so
01:18:52.660uh this is another great point of understanding about the way um we observe the hierarchy of
01:18:59.060of of the gods and uh perhaps other people or um you know fly by nights or things like that um
01:19:08.820perhaps lose it in the fold but we have an absolute kind of observation of it
01:19:13.060it was one did i see in the wet woods bound um and that that again is the vera londi um
01:19:24.420is it's the mired lands uh and again it's mentioned in um the guild forgetting is the
01:19:32.420the kettle groves and it's mentioned in the in the vola as well later on but uh one did i see
01:19:37.460in the wet woods a lover of ill the the worker of of strife is basically what the lover of ill means
01:19:48.340um and to loki like uh it again likening to his his name known amongst the gods
01:19:59.060And by his side does Sigyon sit, nor is glad to see her mate.
01:20:07.120It's, you know, would you like to know more?
01:20:12.580You know, and so it's in that part again, too.
01:20:16.420It's worth noting, like a lot of people, it's hard to formulate an understanding of who is Sigyon.
01:20:23.580what and and so the observation and in hierarchy that i have always placed in this is is the the
01:20:32.940our senior the goddesses are clearly mentioned there's frigga there's freya there's fulla
01:20:40.700snotra or snotra um nowa and and all of all of them are you know are named full on and i mean
01:20:48.700Var and Vaur and Stoven and Lloven and all of the Ausenior are mentioned.
01:20:55.080And then outside of that, we have very key beings in our faith
01:21:01.540and in the stories that are not mentioned in that list.
01:21:04.120And so we call them the Ausvenir, the beloved ones.
01:21:08.940And they're aligned with the gods and therefore are of the gods,
01:21:13.020but they're not listed as the Ausenior.
01:21:16.160So you have, for instance, like, idun, and most of us, I think it's going without saying.
01:21:23.480but because the list was set as uh of the our senior um and that has a titled sense of perhaps
01:21:32.120the um working machinations of our faith or and the faith of our ancestors about how they who
01:21:40.240they prayed to um versus the forces that are present uh in heavenly being so you know you
01:21:47.320have Sif and Idun. And one of the Austvenir that is, you know, is of the gods, but then
01:21:56.260is consigned to the fate based off her obligation and oath to the kinslayer is Sigion. So she's one0.97
01:22:06.680of the Austvenir. Perhaps like, again, in the hierarchy of heaven, she was on the list, but now
01:22:13.640she resides her fate tied to that, to the one in which she was linked to. And so, you know,
01:22:24.520in this part, she is, she is of the same ill fate as her husband. And she still honors the oath.
01:22:33.040She still presides the oath. And despite, you know, Loki's kind of shifting and changing,
01:22:41.580um she holds true because she is again victory she is the the oust veneer of or was of of victory
01:22:50.780and of maintaining troth and she does it even despite the the knowing that being of the hand
01:23:01.220that kills um odin's son is going to bide her no remorse um she she then encapsulates herself
01:23:40.260um perfect example of this is like some of the reconstructionists were talking about how
01:23:45.060all the rivers have to be at the roots and all the roots have to be at the bottom and everything
01:23:48.820in order to make sense that there's a tree standing up there has to be this understanding
01:23:52.580that they basically just completely flipped all of the of the cosmological uh power of movement
01:24:02.340um without an i think an understanding perhaps just again make sense of it all um but this is
01:24:10.420an interesting one because it is mentioned about being in between kind of jotenheim and
01:24:16.580hellheim or niflheim nifl hell and that's again because all the rivers and sleeve is is uh not
01:24:25.840from jotenheim it's it's known that so basically what's saying this is that um you know
01:24:32.100from from the east it is known as the one of the elevaur one of the dreadful waves of
01:24:40.560the underworld but you know it it pours in um from the east of that land the sword uh the the of the
01:24:50.860river the river slither and slither just means cruel and you'll notice that about all the rivers
01:24:56.520mentioned in the lower worlds are they have a connection towards there's like the festering
01:25:01.980battle wound there's the river of the crying out of souls there's the the river that is cruel um
01:25:08.780the one that is a a noise a a a cacophonous monster or cacophonous singer um the all of
01:25:16.860the rivers of the lower begin to have that kind of very very um uh you know just desperation in them
01:25:26.220him so um uh you know from the east through the poison veils with swords and daggers the river
01:25:33.420sleeve northward a hall in neither valor so in neither valor is or a neither volume is um the
01:25:42.940the land underneath the earth it is the shady place where uh the kind of the bridging between
01:25:49.980the mortal realm and the the timeless realm of niflheim and there is uh again a mentioning to
01:25:56.700the to the dvergar or to the duero or the dwarves or the svarthalfar and this again is a part that
01:26:04.540um perhaps is is lost but there's um the bur the brewing um uh
01:26:13.180You know, so northward a hall in Nidervellet of gold then rose for Sindri's race.
01:26:21.400And Sindri's race is mentioned as Sindra Etter, or the family, or the people of, or the, in essence, the family of Sindri, the dark elves, the Svart elves, I mean.
01:26:36.140And in Okolnir, another stood where the giant Brimmer, his beer hall had. And again, Ok is the place of oaks.
01:26:52.260and so oftentimes this is kind of seen as a place within the east a place amongst the yotans so
01:27:00.120there's not a ton of referencing as to uh you know the northward hall in neither valor and the
01:27:07.920beer hall of brimmer in oak in uh the oak land or the uh the power of the oaked place and it's
01:27:15.920it's kind of, again, perhaps alluding to stories that we've, we've lost in relation to especially
01:27:24.220Okonir. Um, so again, uh, it's, uh, establishing as we're moving down and that I think is another
01:27:33.340important point that you'll notice in the, in the poem that the Valla starts with the upper world0.71
01:27:38.800and then she moves to the middle world with Mimir's well, and then she speaks of the slaying
01:27:44.980and now she devotes all of her attention to the lower the shadowed realm the place in which the
01:27:51.620the tree of heaven its roots burrow into the shade of this place and and few know of it um
01:27:59.860and in here she says uh a hall i saw far from the sun on now strond it stands and its doors face
01:28:09.380north venom drops through the smoke vent down or the central place and from around the walls do
01:28:17.960serpents wind and so now we're talking about hell guard and with an understanding of certain things
01:28:27.340one a lot of people automatically jump to the act like oh snorty was a christian and so he's
01:28:33.640gonna make hell guard very terrible because his understanding of like an underworld but i don't
01:28:38.940think that's necessarily the case. I think that it's worth noting that our ancestors took to the
01:28:46.320understanding that death was the opposite of wholeness, that it was the breaking apart place.
01:28:54.700And so it was often seen as dark and mist. And that's because, again, they're relating
01:29:00.440the mythos of death to its proper station, which is dark and grounding and dissipative.
01:29:08.940Um, but there is clearly places in which on, uh, uh, that there stands a, um, kind of good and a bad. And she's, she mentions Naustrand, the, the nether beach. And, um, she talks about the door that faces North. Uh, again, one of the reasons this is mentioned is one, a North facing door catches the Northern wind, a cold wind.
01:29:34.900It's also mentioned that Nipah's cave, Nipah means like a mound. And so it's, and I know it's going to laud some laughs, but it survives in our language, like in the same as like nipple. And it means like a pronging spot.
01:29:53.320uh nipa's cave is is a cave inside a kind of a mound and it could be viewed as a kurgan or it
01:30:01.060could be viewed sometimes as a natural structure but it's seen as the place that kind of juts up
01:30:05.920in the north and that you know that the soul travels down that road and then that the door
01:30:14.220that's awaiting it that faces the north is the ever-opening door of helgar because all things
01:30:20.560must end and all things must die. Venom dropping through the smoke vent down. I mean, that's worth
01:30:25.940noting the smoke vent of a hall and the idea that, um, venom doesn't necessarily just mean,
01:30:33.940um, like from, uh, fangs. It was, it was the, the fetid process or the, the things that which
01:30:42.260break down. And so all of Helgard is always associated with the, what I call the calamity
01:30:48.300of Midgard. It's the, it's the all things that are used to catalyst and break apart and slowly
01:30:56.500pull down. And it's, I think it's just an understanding that our ancestors had towards
01:31:03.260death and that it was not entirely just Christianization. If that was the case, I would,0.65
01:31:10.120I would think like perhaps if he was bringing up concepts of like lakes of fire and things of that
01:31:15.520nature he might have um that might have been an overstep but it's that is not the case and so
01:31:22.580i think it's worth noting that there's a power in an understanding that our ancestors if they
01:31:29.060accept us we can then move into sacred and held space but if we are rejected by that
01:31:35.240then we find ourselves on naustron crossing you know the river gyal and the river slither and
01:31:42.740finding ourselves there with, you know, the serpents and the, and the beasts of separation.
01:31:51.620So again, the reason why I'm keying in on that is because a lot of, I would say, modern
01:31:56.600Ausatru in one of its follies, as far as I would say, like, not even Ausatru, perhaps0.94
01:32:02.060Norse paganism is, they have a tendency, oh, that's Snorri's Christianization of the underworld,
01:32:08.240and we don't have a place where there's like consequences and i would beg to differ yeah0.94
01:32:14.320that's that's silly and it's part of the
01:32:27.520maybe childlike is a better word um so in anything in any new endeavor
01:32:37.760in any great break from the norm, there's a period of infancy where you start out and
01:32:55.640are first, literally like an infant or a child, you're first trying to get your bearings
01:33:02.800on life and the world around you and it necessitates you know extremes and kind of a flailing period
01:33:16.120where you're finding yourself and you're finding what's what and then once you understand that as
01:33:21.520you grow and as you mature you move from that well asa true in its infancy in its modern stage
01:33:27.160and the rebirth of house of truth there was a need to anything that christianity has
01:33:34.520we can't have any point of commonality we have to be the opposite that's some of what i'd like
01:33:40.200to talk about when i do get to some of the side questions on um lavey and crowley um
01:33:47.880Um, this isn't that, no, there's, it's interesting that this is not a direct, um, reworking of hell, but with Viking or of Christian, uh, of Sheol or Tartarus, but with a Viking coat of paint.
01:34:08.260it's different and one of the key points and i mentioned before when we started this last week
01:34:15.500and other times that there are multiple levels to our lore on the first most basic level
01:36:53.000But certain things, and he mentions homosexuals and cowards,
01:36:59.060those who flee in the face of danger,1.00
01:37:02.360that was so distasteful that, no, they put them in bogs
01:37:11.280because they didn't want to be reminded they were all made less by the reminder of those people's
01:37:18.400existence and so that's the idea here there's other forms of you not getting rewarded in the
01:37:25.920afterlife but if you're on the strand you're being dissolved and repurposed into you know
01:37:34.560so your component parts can be used for something much more worthy
01:37:40.240and this this idea of dissolving parts of the soul
01:37:47.200does have crossover into subjects that other folks in the chat are talking about in terms
01:37:52.640of hermeticism and other western magical tradition there is some overlap there and
01:37:58.320that's one of the things i wanted to make sure we weren't being too too hard on folks that maybe
01:38:02.640aren't coming at this from an house of true perspective well it speaks here in in um
01:38:16.640uh stanza 40 and it's worth noting there is another um poem uh comprised of called hauck spock
01:38:24.880in which they pull one of the stanzas uh stanza 44 and kind of interlope it in here
01:38:30.720And so some scholars have, you know, it's worth noting that at least in that one, there is a mention of it, but the verses are moved.
01:38:40.980And I think that's, again, because in this part, there's repetition being mentioned, and verse 44 still doesn't migrate away from the realm in which the Vala is talking about the underworld.
01:38:57.200So it doesn't necessarily even kind of contradict anything in Hauksbock, but here, you know, it's pulled in later, but it's, again, a part of a repetition that is established when, again, saying the poem and filling in sections of it with repetition in order to bridge to the next point in the verses is kind of what the poets are doing.
01:39:22.800But, um, yeah, Auster sat in Altna i Irnvidi. So East sat in the old iron copses.
01:39:41.920Oh, did I? Yes. Oh, excuse me. Sorry. Sorry. I was. Thank you. Catching me on that one.
01:39:49.120uh sorry let's jump it back first real quick i was i was concentrating on that interpolation part
01:39:55.660that i that i jumped ahead um so there i saw wading through rivers wild the treacherous men
01:40:02.480and murderers too and the workers of ill with wives of men and again that's an interesting one
01:40:11.040too because uh when we you know when we talk about um the bond the bonded maidens um that are um
01:40:25.600it's generally alluded to being like the troughful maidens of of men even though it's not
01:40:31.760outright you know um mentioned it's it's spoken of is that these ladies are
01:40:37.200of the bonding of oaths and so therefore they are wed women and um so that i you know i saw
01:40:45.920their wading through the rivers wild and this again is the referencing to gyal which is the the
01:40:51.840name gyal survives very much in our language like with the word yelp and so it's like a crying out
01:40:58.400so it's the river of mournful cries and um you know they're they're wading through and in this
01:41:04.880is you know there's treacherous men murderers wanton murderers you know ones that kill with
01:41:11.360without um any you know sense and the workers of ill and balefulness and uh you know and the
01:41:20.320treachery and cunning with bonded maidens uh and there need hogar need hogar is the is the the
01:41:31.200corpse uh ripper or the the the consumer in the darkness the the thing that neve is kind of again
01:41:40.580underneath it survives in our language with like nether or underneath so he's the like the the
01:41:46.820nether um ripper uh is but again also in relation to corpses and as often poetically called the
01:41:55.300corpse ripper because of the uh the souls washing up on on nastron's beaches and so i think it's
01:42:03.900worth noting too like we had the one where it's like oh snorty christianizes everything and
01:42:08.300there's that's just you know that's why you know helhan's kind of a downer man is because he's a
01:42:14.240christian but on the other end i don't believe that there's like the all of the divine and holy
01:42:20.440gods kind of descend into this underworld realm kind of measure your soul um against a feather
01:42:27.400kind of uh thing and i have seen that alluded in in places and i think that what it does is um it
01:42:34.580negates out some of the obvious um things as the gods you know witnessing us as we live um and in
01:42:42.340essence marking our our fate the fact that they can administer doom or boon is part of that is
01:42:49.260that they don't have to do that kind of in an end and it matters with every individual soul
01:42:54.420because again i think that is ultimately uh you know not seen in our faith as a grand scale that
01:43:02.520gods aren't um you know waiting for your individual soul to come down into hell guard so that they can
01:43:08.900you know pull out the feather scale or whatever and and and and listen to your lawyer uh filca
01:43:15.480I think that kind of goes in a very different mode0.70
01:43:19.720than what we see throughout most Aryan ethos.0.98
01:43:23.660But what we do see is that the culmination is0.74
01:43:27.880the final crossing into the land of our ancestors
01:43:34.960Because if it wasn't, what would be the point of impressing?
01:43:39.480What would be the point of giving piety and giving honor?
01:43:43.040The idea is that you want to be reunited with them and that they, in essence, have some extenuating power to perhaps exclude you.
01:43:52.620And you don't want to be in that position.
01:43:55.800You don't want to be marked by the gods because of your ill deeds.
01:43:58.800And you don't want to be outcast by your ancestors.
01:44:04.020But if they had no part and play in it, then in essence, I mean, obviously to honor is to honor.
01:44:10.780But the idea, again, is that you want to reconnect with them. You do not want to be judged by them as well as being of ill repute, to be a needling. And I think that's part of the siphoning. The reason why the souls are moving around is that there's this filtration process to refine the might of the souls of the folk.
01:44:33.200And so, you know, you see the wading through the rivers, and there Nidhoggr, the blood of the slain, he sucks.
01:44:48.260And the wolf, or the varkr, specifically the varkr, tear men.
01:44:54.800Would you like to know more? Or, you know, would you know yet more?
01:44:58.380um the the varkar are kind of in my observation of the faith is that these souls that pass through
01:45:08.760the thresholds of kjol and slidr are left with no recollection of perhaps themselves but are
01:45:15.980mindless savage varkar and varkar has a lot of meaning varkar is a wolf varkar is an outlaw
01:45:26.020it is both and so uh somebody who to be titled as such is not a good thing it's it's a bad thing
01:45:33.120it's it's um you know and i think that like when we i know ultimately it's going to bring up the
01:45:38.480point of perhaps um bark in the the persona on uh that he is is um again you know a lot of that
01:45:47.980was built on the idea that um oh the society that we have now is is a foreign it's christian it's
01:45:55.160it's terrible. And so excluding all of that, I'm going to be this kind of edge0.93
01:45:59.180walking, savage wolf. And, um, I can see that kind of in a way and even to today,
01:46:06.100but it's again, eliminating the, the joy of order and, um, kind of ultimately working against it.
01:46:14.300So I wouldn't, you know, want to carry that on if, if I, if I was him in his elder age,
01:46:21.060you know um but again little little love for for modern world and again it's a modern battlefield
01:46:27.440that we have to fight on with a lot of things going on and and a lot of people just kind of
01:46:31.680like like him he just wants to tune it out stand against it so um in that you know the in that
01:46:40.160nastron where need all good and the vargar are are chewing up the the souls and then in turn0.68
01:46:46.720making them into Varga again and it's like these are the you know a good equivalency of the like0.99
01:46:56.960foul spirits if you could use the greek word demon in a way of of Naustron these these savaging
01:47:05.520souls and then in the east the giantist of old in ironwood sat
01:47:12.160um and you know and uh sorry and i i read that wrong because in the ice in the old norse it's
01:47:20.920east oster sat in aldna um but in the english translation the east is mentioned in the second
01:47:30.260line so it throws me off a little bit but um the uh the uh the aldna the elder being is of course
01:47:42.260generally seen as the giant is the the yotness but it's not the word yotnar is not used it's
01:47:48.260altna this elder thing um and of course they're referring to um uh
01:47:57.220um by the gods i can't believe it's like i i'm reading and had it and had a complete
01:48:04.660and other uh brain fart um the uh the bringer of bail the worker of of um i don't i guess
01:48:17.220because i don't speak her name very often um uh chat help me out i need help i i can admit it
01:48:31.380um the mother of fan race and jorman gander and hell is anger boda sorry i don't know if anybody
01:48:43.220answered it or not i i'm actually looking at something else uh angraboda the the the breeder
01:48:50.420of of misfortune and the bringer of the bearing forth if you will but let me see i want to see
01:48:57.060did anybody answer that yes adam you got it sorry i wasn't actually looking at the script
01:49:03.780or looking at the side i wasn't looking at the the chat script and uh good job yeah everybody's
01:49:09.380hitting it angraboda angraboda um uh i'm sorry i just didn't hit me right away but yeah that's
01:49:18.740what they're this is referencing to is the alda the ancient being that resides in the east woods
01:49:23.780in the iron uh in the iron woods or iron vidi is angraboda she is the true and kind of
01:50:00.020the closer to the roots, the closer to the gods versus the farther away. And that is really about
01:50:05.700the dissipation of a cycle. And she represents that dissipation. So, you know, it says the
01:50:15.860giantess of old in ironwood sat in the east and bore the brood of Fenrir. Now this could, again,
01:50:22.360And some people have suggested perhaps this is Fenrir with Engroboda, but most likely with the usage of the word kinder, it means of the like.
01:50:35.580So in Fenrir, Fenrir means the dweller in the fens. Fenrir's kind, Fenrir's ilk is that of the wolf, is that of the destructor, the consumer.
01:56:18.480So, Teddy says, it's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong
01:56:26.120man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
01:56:31.640The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust, sweat, blood, who strives valiantly, who errs, who comes up short again and again because there is no effort without error and shortcoming.
01:56:49.940But who does actually strive to do the deeds, who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly,
01:57:13.220so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor
01:57:19.800defeat shame on the man of cultivated taste lets refinement to develop in his fastidiousness
01:57:27.340that unfits him for doing the rough work of the of the workday world um
01:57:37.620we talk in also true one of the things that you'll encounter time and again is that we are
01:57:42.480our deeds there are a great many that search for any excuse not to do not to accomplish not to
01:57:50.960make deeds happen in the world one of the things that we've seen is the struggle to stay one step
01:57:59.520ahead of the critics one step ahead of the naysayers one step ahead of the armchair quarterbacks
01:58:08.240who always have something to say but never have anything to show for it
01:58:15.120and this may seem like a strange aside but it's a really important theme and that's what i'm
01:58:20.160trying to jump on in the velospa as it's setting the tone for the rest of our series that we're
01:58:25.200doing on this the theme of staying one step ahead of the jaws of the wolf i always go back to the
01:58:33.680name of the program and that's why it's called victory never sleeps is you can't let your guard
01:58:38.960down even for a second because if you do the wolf is at your heels trying to devour you um
01:58:49.200our big good versus evil split in aussitua's order versus chaos
01:58:54.960but the continuation of order is an action and when you rest entropy sets in
01:59:04.140the act of not doing leads to destruction because the forces that surround us of chaos
01:59:13.600are always there with gaping maw one step behind us if we stop if we get lazy if we get full of
01:59:22.660ourselves if we rest on our laurels we are devoured we always have to stay one step ahead of the wolf
01:59:31.620and i just thought this is a poignant reminder of that and it sets a tone for the rest of our war
01:59:41.620the scoffing um i've often spoke about that too is like the cynicism is the death of uh
01:59:50.900a lot of things that are trying to be built up. It's a destructive force. You always find a bunch
01:59:59.280of people building and focusing on inward and doing and creating and organizing and building
02:00:05.960that structure. And then you'll find the one off on the side scoffing, the one that doesn't have
02:00:12.540true criticism, but will just try to pick apart or create something or create a straw man or
02:00:18.160simply just kind of gaslight you into believing one way. And that is the scoffing cynicism that
02:00:24.560oftentimes plagues modern, perhaps with the omininity of the internet that creates that
02:00:35.900scoffing-ness. But I remember somebody saying that, and this is something that made me think
02:00:45.160about the nature of scoffing and hatred kind of in hand in hand but one often is the visual and
02:00:53.260the other is like the hidden um intent is uh i remember somebody saying that uh uh in comparison
02:01:00.740to some of the victories that we've gained in the uh australia folk assembly that uh they said uh
02:01:08.140oh well christianity churches are everywhere that doesn't make them good or something like that or
02:01:13.020Christianity is everywhere, and that doesn't make it good.
02:01:16.000And kind of trying to, again, scoff against the achievements that have been attained1.00
02:01:22.280and ultimately the struggles that have been in order to make those.
02:01:27.740But simply just looking at the end results.
02:01:32.580Oh, well, the end results, if you've got glory and you've got victories,
02:01:36.100there's other people that have it too.
02:07:06.520and dark grows the sun and in summer soon come mighty storms would you know yet more
02:07:15.440so now we begin to look at both Ragnarok and in the coming of the forces against the gods
02:07:23.840and of kind of natural perhaps um indications so um
02:07:31.800you know it's when when the time is to come there the the the one the red sullied chest
02:07:41.460of fenris the one who who you know besmirched the gods with his with his um wantonness is now
02:07:50.820return it is will return and the sky will grow dark uh and the storms will come and um some
02:07:59.520people have gone into even like literalizing that like in the summertime there will be great storms
02:08:04.820and then will come the fimble winter of three and so i i'm not um you know putting that forth or
02:08:12.360anything like that but it's just it's interesting how the uh the referencing of time is used and
02:08:18.320specifically summer summer uh does you know come the mighty storms and um this this one is interesting
02:08:28.640too so now we get into um uh egg on on a hill there sat and smote on his harp egg through the
02:08:40.480joyous the giants water so this again i think is referencing to the edge bound perhaps the the one
02:08:50.800who presides over the edges of Jotunheim, but apparently in the usage of the harp, I think
02:08:59.940that this is giving denote to perhaps a terrible sound. His name means is the edge cut, that which
02:09:13.880is you know sliced and um he is you know joyous though he's the water of the yotnar and um
02:09:23.880he sits uh above him there is a a cock in the bird wood crowned fair and red did fjallar fjallar
02:09:33.400stand and so what's going on right now is the mentioning of the resounding sounds there is
02:09:41.480the mention of the roosters in one in heaven one in midgard and one in the the world below
02:09:50.120and why again it's so important to emphasize the the placement of the tripartite the upper the
02:09:57.640middle the lower it's consistently emphasized over and over and over again and this again is
02:10:03.960The sounding of, in the east comes this, the baying of the cock that crows, that now is the time in which the end of the gods is nigh and the Jotuns are to amass.
02:10:22.420So it goes, you know, in 42, there's the Jotun who sits on the edge and he takes to note that the cock crows in Jotunheim.
02:10:33.960and just as the same it appears again with uh lord heimdall that the and there then the gods
02:10:44.940crowed gullen combi or golden comb and he wakes the heroes in odin's hall or in valhall and
02:10:53.960beneath the earth does another crow a rust red bird at the bars or the the gates of hell and it's
02:11:02.240the the crow is the the cock that is that crows in helgard is not mentioned by name and i have
02:11:13.040seen poetic usages of it some people say because of the rust red uh you know it's the salt or all
02:11:20.000the sooty red um like chicken or rooster honey uh the salt router um he is soot red black red and
02:11:32.240um some people i have taken poetically to call them roi the combi or blother combi blood red
02:11:41.960comb or but those are poetic usages not found in the lore just simply is not named
02:11:48.500um in 43 it just says salt rather um sooty red um in 44 it says now garm and remember this was
02:12:00.720interpolation that happened in haugsbach where it was back at 40. um but now garmer
02:12:09.360howls loud at nipahel at the at the gates at the the entry point
02:12:16.880and the fetters that hold him will burst and the wolf runs for now uh is this reference to the
02:12:24.480wolf being garmer most likely not it's probably a reference to fenris because garmer was kind
02:12:30.640of seen as a hound and not as a wolf but a lot of people do kind of make that mistake um or or you
02:12:38.720know make that connection i should say uh but it's no he's howling in the gates of of that which is
02:12:44.480dissipated that which we never come back from is now um shuddering and he's howling and then fenris
02:12:53.200is loosened from his his uh chains in the east in the black lake you know where his slobber is
02:13:00.880poisoning the water that flows into the middle world and the the sword that in his mouth in his
02:13:06.780mouth is pulled um and you know it's uh the um the the wolf runs free much do i know and more
02:13:19.480can see of the fate of the gods the mighty in fight and so now begins the the onslaught of
02:13:28.240uh ragnarok brothers shall fight and fell each other and sister's son shall kinship stain
02:13:36.880so and this is there's a lot of interpretation in this one and i really like the way he worded it
02:13:44.620because I have seen some other ones where it's like, you know, perhaps the ideas like brothers
02:13:52.260and sisters will lay together. And again, that is one of the interpretations of staining the
02:14:02.240kinship is the sanctity of that and that just the absolute and wanton kind of immoral sense.
02:14:09.960But and that's a tendency where I take it. But again, I want to be honest with it is that, you know, the the the kinship of the folk in just in general is is also being torn asunder.
02:14:28.660There's no peace to be had between the folk.
02:14:33.420And they fight each other and they fell each other.1.00
02:14:37.260Hard it is on the earth with mighty whoredom.1.00
02:14:42.060And that's the one I wanted to really look up, but we'll get to that in a second.1.00
02:15:42.100Yeah, so the Hordom, the great Hordom,
02:15:49.440Mikkel. Mikkel is the great. So it is the kind of sense of wantonness or the destitution, the immoral.
02:16:05.040And again, a lot of people try to throw this, that Snorri's just, oh, there he goes, being a Christian again.
02:16:10.080But I mean, the word is clearly in relation to whoredom is an Anglo-Saxon word.
02:16:16.480hordormr is of course an old norse word it's not something where he's like you know stating
02:16:23.080stuff about sodom and gomorrah or something from the bible i mean he's it is known it is a word
02:16:29.180that can quantify a thing and that thing is again wantonness and and immoral impropriety and that's
02:16:36.880why i often say you know it's like again uh also true is a moral religion and in the way it it
02:16:43.520frames itself is based on order and anything against order is ultimately immoral, not necessarily
02:16:49.800saying unnatural because disorder happens in nature quite often. And there's much that can
02:16:55.140be said in nature that is natural, but we would never do it. And so, uh, we always, uh, stick to
02:17:04.340the, to the premise of, um, morality versus whether it's, you know, happens in nature or it's natural.
02:17:11.860No, there is immoralness that is worth to be noted.
02:17:18.380And that is that that is this time, the time that is it.
02:17:21.360So it's making kind of a reference to the prophecy of the of the earth being filled with strife and immorality or immoral behavior.
02:17:31.120And brothers and sisters are and there's no kidship that that's sanctified anymore.
02:17:39.360and so everything begins to dissolve and the hierarchy of life begins to break down
02:17:44.640i think that's a really truly kind of powerful everybody seems to mention or or remember this
02:17:52.760stanza in particular the axe age the the sword age the wind age the wolf age that's such a
02:18:00.220very powerful um usage even when we translate it to our language it has a very very powerful point
02:18:07.940But again, we see that because the perennial truths of our stories is that, again, it's not perhaps stating any but all times like that, and all ages like that, that we can see these cycles pass through.
02:18:25.520So I don't know if it denotes to a singular thing or singular time.
02:36:30.680there's a group of people that a big part of their existence is suggesting that the way that
02:36:39.580we're doing things is incorrect yet our galder is manifesting amazing things into our reality
02:36:47.740rather than heckle our song i wish they would participate with us and sing along
02:36:54.500um but there's more there's more chunks here so
02:37:00.240okay we so first question is can you speak to the differences between our practice of
02:37:08.120and the way it was supposedly done in elder times and i think we went through that
02:37:13.880why do we do it the way we do as opposed to the way it was done back then
02:37:21.960and so we have no example of how it was done back then other than the instances that i mentioned
02:37:31.080but i will tell you the reason that we do it the way that we do currently the earliest
02:37:38.120The version of that that I am familiar with is probably writings of Edred Thorson in, I don't know if he mentions it, in Futhark or if it's a later work.
02:37:57.500But when is Futhark? Is that like 78 or is that in the 80s?
02:38:08.120Svahn, do you know another, as far as you know, what's the earliest example of Galdr in the way that we currently do it in the AFA, or similar?
02:38:21.700I believe it is marked in the Futhark book by Edward Thorson, and I think, again, his intention was to point out what most likely is of Galdr of our ancient ancestors is alliterative sounds.
02:38:38.120And so he was focusing on the idea of goldering the sounds.
02:38:42.520But when you look at like the Merceberg spells or the Merceberg charms or whatever, you know, what you'll notice is the way they're written is that it's alliterative.
02:38:55.460And so we have these continuous sounds.
02:38:59.460I'm trying to think of the placement of the Merceberg charms.
02:39:04.860but there's like mention that uh that woven or vol and vol then are riding and balder's horse
02:39:14.460is strained but then there is you know sinfield and suna and then there is frega and fulla and
02:39:21.980you notice that there's this kind of again so you could you can almost break up the um
02:39:28.780the runic layering of each of those based on the sounds that are being used that there is the the
02:39:34.620the wunyo the wv and then there is uh the bjarkan and there is the suelo and then there is the
02:39:43.020fehu and there almost seems to be like this charting pattern i think that's what what edward
02:39:49.260thorson's kind of alluding to is that golder of the past and and also to the present because i
02:39:55.100was taught that the way it was was that you could start off by creating these proto sounds but
02:39:59.740ultimately that you would weave together these alliterative prayers songs and chants utilizing
02:40:07.100those proto sounds with an intent uh if you wanted to create um a sense of um joy
02:40:17.900then you would use the word like uh in the in the um prayer for the land whites one of the
02:40:24.940most important galders that i do uh continuously almost at the beginning of every bloat is i i say
02:40:32.220you know those that wish us woe wend your way from here and those that wish us wheel are welcome in
02:40:38.780our halls and again reiterating the wunyo aspect and that's the spell itself and a lot of people
02:40:46.140would not catch that as being a galder because they would only perhaps see it as just the proto
02:40:51.580sounds but i think that edward thorson's ultimate intention was to place that you have to understand
02:40:58.220the proto sounds and their meanings in order to incorporate them and formulate them as a scald wood
02:41:05.580in poetic sense and i would even argue to perhaps even in posturing sense um the idea
02:41:13.980oh go ahead no carry on i didn't mean to interrupt you well and my my runic teachings was that there
02:41:23.100was an extra even uh extenuated level so there was the proto sound and the proto sound and its
02:41:29.460understanding could then be woven into poetic form in a literative sense and the usage of how many
02:41:35.840times you did it was important whether you did it three times or four times or six times or nine
02:41:41.440times there was a kind of a literative uh structure or equations that you were working towards the
02:41:48.640other was was actually physically uh denoting it so like i i don't know if anybody's ever caught it
02:41:54.880but during certain symbols uh at the the last one i can really recall is is that austera last year
02:42:02.000was I was doing Galder and Stavr or Standa at the same time during my speaking during the third
02:42:16.760round, you know, and utilizing the idea of the joy that comes from, and this, of course, being
02:42:22.040Wunyo, and, you know, again, the roving forward is, so I was even taught by my rune teacher that
02:42:30.320there's a level in which there's posturing that the skull does that also invokes the the
02:42:37.760rune and the power of what that rune represents so i i come from at a very different angle is that
02:42:45.320it's it's actually all encompassing that the proto sound can then be formulated into intricate song
02:42:51.000an intricate spell and then you could also add your body well i'd like to add some so this portion
02:42:59.360of the question is about well why do we do the stuff we do now instead of this awesome primary
02:43:07.580source way that our ancestors used to do it and it's tongue-in-cheek we have no primary source of
02:43:13.540how our ancestors used to do it in any way that's comprehensive but a lot of it is is drawn from
02:43:20.900that so as fun mentioned there's these tones and vibrations different rooms can be in or are best
02:43:32.580in tuned um or in tone i guess rather from your diaphragm from your chest from your nasal cavity
02:43:42.340depending um as spawn mentioned sometimes they evolve into not merely just the sound
02:43:52.740but in a way a bit of a dance or a physical interpretation where there's hand um
02:44:01.540stuff i forget what today what the hand version is there's stata galder
02:44:05.780which is like standing in runic poses while you're doing some of these things
02:44:10.580um i've done examples on the show a lot because mike alder is pretty simple because again
02:44:17.160it frees my mind up i think you see the evolution of the the repetitions when you see mantra work
02:44:25.420in indian like vedic practice because that's an evolution and you see a
02:44:32.080an importance in the number of times it's done.
02:53:25.480and i hope our stream is running my camera seems to be frozen over here
02:53:29.800uh we're experiencing a winter storm though where i am at uh since we've been on this broadcast
02:53:35.160we've got like a foot and a half of snow um if you're still with me swan what about
02:53:42.440worshiping saxon he's a germanic god anglo-saxon okay so the um when we talk about the idea of hype
02:53:58.120we don't hypostasis one of the first things that i think is really important is that we look at
02:54:03.480parallels. For instance, if you were to look at the name Nerthus in Tacitus' Germania and the
02:54:13.080etymology of that word being the thing underneath or beneath you, again referencing to the earth,
02:54:21.160and then in reference to Yarth in Old Norse, then there's linguistic parallel. But for certain
02:54:28.780divine beings, there is not a linguistic parallel. So you can't 100% say, oh, well,
02:54:39.260Saxonaut is, you know, Freyr, or Lord Tyr, or what a lot of people try to jump to the
02:54:50.200conclusion. What I have a tendency to follow then is that when we talk about the elevated
02:54:57.200beings there is a possibility that the being is divine and elevated singularly amongst a group
02:55:04.060of people that like you said the anglo-saxons so if that's the case we know that the exaltation of
02:55:14.020the of beings within tribal groups can extend in multiple levels or perhaps even to the point where
02:55:22.540the person is no longer a representation of the person or that the, the God is a God. We don't0.59
02:55:28.680know. So I would say that they would be listed as amongst aligned with the gods, sacred oust
02:55:37.940veneer, the beloved ones, if you will. But to what degree are they, you know, we were talking
02:55:44.840about this with, um, the Phrygian goddess Nahalania as well, this past, um, Gothar conference that we
02:55:51.900had last week. And we were talking about the usage of, what about Saxnot? What about
02:55:57.640Nehalenia? What about Frau Hola? What about Frau Parchta? And we're talking about deeply
02:56:04.980regionally connected divine beings. And I would say that it would be best to honor them
02:56:12.540as they are, but to understand that they are deeply connected to the local and we don't
02:56:20.280have an example of them being more broad. We do sometimes have this. For instance,
02:56:27.740Wayland amongst the Anglo-Saxons and Volander. And Wayland is semi-divine amongst the Anglo-Saxons.
02:56:35.660And again, that's why I bring up the point that we don't know 100% to what level
02:56:41.160the divine beings were held in esteem by those people. Was Saxonot a god elevated
02:56:50.280from or was seen as one of the gods and it's not fully understood or mentioned because it's again
02:56:57.400outsiders or speak of sex not without any context so i would say the best thing to do is to honor
02:57:05.120them within context that you have anglo-saxon folk um or if they're spoken of during sumble
02:57:13.380I don't see why there would be any reason to reject a hail towards Saxon or Nahalania, just as much as I wouldn't see any against perhaps Beowulf or Sigurd, though Sigurd and Beowulf clearly are no longer kind of even resembling perhaps a mortal.
02:57:37.900they are now something more, something bigger, a hero, semi-divine, or what have you. When we
02:57:45.600talk about the divine, we talk about it again in alignment to the gods and against. And so there
02:57:51.520are layers of that hierarchy. And I don't think it would be of any offense for someone who feels
02:58:00.520connection to um their anglo-saxon roots to honor sax knot but we do see it again
02:58:10.360weyland and volander or oster and ostra um the east the eastern the goddess of the dawn um
02:58:21.960is clearly linguistically connected throughout all aryan branches and one of the one of the
02:58:27.320clearest and most prominent um so that's another reason why in the afa we honor austra as and i i
02:58:36.840call her a heavenly warden because of her connections to the machinations of the sky
02:58:43.240and uh seasons but um you know again we the the pan-arianness of the afa does lend to it but you
02:58:54.200You might find some people do not honor sex, not because they don't want to.
02:58:58.860It's because they see as more of a regional or cultural or specific.
02:59:03.920But I don't think anybody would turn their nose up to it.
02:59:07.000It's just it ends up being kind of peripheral.
02:59:12.120There's, there are, it is natural for people to want the most easily accessible list of thou shalt, thou shalt not, this is this, this is that, everything is 100% black and white.
02:59:40.800there's no gray we have a defined list of these are exactly things that are worthy of worship
02:59:46.640and anything else is verboten that's really clear and easy to define
02:59:58.240our job as priests of the iser isn't to make it easy it's to do it right and the thing is
03:00:06.880there are countless local deities that are completely appropriate for worship and giving
03:00:15.540honor to. Same thing with heroes and numerous other entities that have ascended above
03:00:23.820the level of mortal humanity. Well, where do we stop? Where do we start? A lot of people will
03:00:33.980endlessly have that conversation they'll have that conversation when they're young
03:00:39.740they'll have it when they're middle-aged they'll have it as old men and they'll die0.89
03:00:44.860with the same question on their mind we've decided to pick the gilthagening
03:00:53.820to use that as our template to say this is this and that's that we've done this
03:01:00.780then we can expand and re-evaluate if we want to add to it but what we don't want to do is set
03:01:10.680hard and fast rules that eliminate gods of our folk from being worshiped because we don't have
03:01:17.280a good understanding of them what we don't want to do is make the assumption at random
03:01:26.040sex not equals tear sex not equals fray other ethnologists religious scholars have made those
03:01:36.920suggestions perhaps they're true but if we don't know we don't have a sincere reason to believe
03:01:45.280one way or another but it's just easier might as well treat him as a separate deity
03:01:51.040like i said if we double up and tear gets two rounds of worship cool if lord frayer gets two
03:02:00.120different kinds of worship under you know two different names awesome but it would be terrible
03:02:09.200if we remove saxonaut from existence and from the memory of our folk
03:02:15.320because we're too lazy to try to figure it out
03:02:19.740and so that's something we want to avoid doing
03:06:11.680with the intended purpose of being garish and shocking.
03:06:14.800um in a lot of ways they they were promoting i think what is not in any way related to alice
03:06:25.020true when we think of order and we think of the self being a part of the whole that there's a
03:06:31.100tribe and a group of people what crowley perhaps and i'm speaking not of maybe perhaps i'm not
03:06:37.540super familiar with a lot of his ritual works or his his um structurings but i am familiar with some
03:06:43.560his kind of wild and crazy things that he did and proclaimed and said uh with the intent that
03:06:50.600the individual was somehow to break free from the the collective mundane of of society whereas
03:06:59.080we see that the individual as a member of the folk member of a group and i think that
03:07:05.960lave really expounded on that even more even to the point of just again it was about sticking
03:07:12.200a thumb in society's eye in collectivism's eye and that's why it's so viciously built on um you
03:07:21.480know fulfilling self-indulgent singular don't think about anyone else you need to think about
03:07:28.280yourself it's rude to think about other people uh you're stepping on their toes and it's just
03:07:33.720that has not a lot of place i think in ausitru ausitru sees order ausitru sees collective um
03:07:40.600But Crowley and his deeds and LaVey, certainly in the way he constructed things, is very, again, heavily individualistic, very hedonistic, self-serving.
03:07:55.880And I don't think that that has a lot of stance.
03:07:58.260I do think that when we talk about the edging of certain circles, when we talk about perhaps the shadow of the gods or the dark side of the gods or like there's Lord Odin and there's the terrible one and then there's the Lord of Gladstein.
03:08:17.080i think that other cultures have played with the idea of the dark and the light of their divinity
03:08:25.120and of themselves and so you have this kind of faustian aspect that's thrown out there
03:08:30.700there's um a lot of that that's kind of brought and so you find these people kind of intermingling
03:08:36.140with people who don't really care about perhaps exploring every shadow instead they're just they
03:08:43.360they just want to indulge the shadows they have within themselves and you find that those two
03:08:48.980kind of run together and that's that's kind of what you get when you start doing that kind of
03:08:54.560stuff and so yeah does it amount to anything i'm sure for them they would say yes but i think from
03:09:02.260a i was a true perspective i don't think that that's a parallel path so
03:12:07.800One of the big themes with LeVay and specifically with Crowley was the idea of antinomianism.
03:12:16.260The idea of trying intentionally to break social mores and norms to condition your soul not to be dependent upon the approval of the traditional order.
03:12:35.580so to prove that he is a sovereign entity and he can be above the conditioned responses of society0.84
03:12:46.420crowley would engage in homosexuality he would deliberately find big fat disgusting women that
03:12:57.380he was repulsed by and pursue them for sexual acts just to show that he was outside of contemporary
03:13:09.120standards of beauty or of those kind of things he would intentionally engage in disgusting things
03:13:34.680It's certainly not the way to worship gods of order.
03:13:39.840What I do think is interesting is that
03:13:44.000In both of those attempts to one degree or another, there was the thought to try and, in the rejection of Christianity, to embrace Western magical tradition,
03:14:07.820to embrace a pre-Christian understanding of the world.
03:14:14.700And I think that when they incorporated elements of hermeticism,
03:14:24.380I think some of their Western magical tradition gets murky
03:14:30.160with its relationship to Kabbalah or not.
03:14:33.140But I think a lot of the themes are common in legitimate Western magical tradition and in some ancient Western philosophy that is useful and comes from our folk soul.
03:20:33.120Well, certainly from a story standpoint, when we talk about the necessity of these things,
03:20:39.920it's clear that the gods are not perfect in the sense that, for instance,
03:20:48.840What is the point of absolute perfection if the intent is to teach you that bringing an outsider in to your midst and then letting that outsider kind of intermingle but ultimately fester into your tribal group?
03:21:10.100You lose the lesson if there is no ability for that lesson to happen.
03:21:16.580And then, you know, not only are, do we have the stories of the gods having both struggle, not being, you know, separated from, and again, this, this would be an argument in the ideas like, are the, are the gods of the stories, the gods themselves?
03:21:35.900And I would say, no, they are not. I'm not necessarily making a point of saying that they're completely, uh, just, you know, dissected from, from godliness or they have, they don't have any sort of kind of, um, push or pull.
03:21:54.260because i think that's what makes the lattice of multiplicity the divines the gods are kind of a
03:22:00.980network that help balance each other out in that way um but in the stories certainly they have to
03:22:08.900have uh problems they have to have they overcome dragons they overcome kidnappings they overcome
03:22:18.020treachery. So that's pretty clear right out of the gate. I think that people get lost on the
03:22:30.560purpose of it. And they think like, oh, well, our gods are imperfect, so I can be imperfect too.
03:22:37.060No, the gods are clearly divine beings that exemplify their domains. They are upon the
03:22:44.740thrones in which they exude their will into the middle world that's me talking religious talk
03:22:50.060when we talk about the gods and the stories they need to be presented in a way that both
03:22:55.600they're like the difference between you hammerization completely calling them mortals
03:23:02.000or making them mortal like in order for us to understand the greater truth of the story
03:23:08.420is, I think, very different, and we have to be able to kind of pick and choose those
03:23:14.780things to understand them. So the gods are the gods. I don't think that the gods are
03:23:20.900completely omnipotent and completely flawless, but instead are very, very powerful and interlaced
03:23:31.600with each other like uh nature does in order to work it's and i say it as in the assas in the the
03:23:44.560whole the ordering elements of their place within the way that they've described their their station
03:23:52.480and um why they're up above and why they're in the top and why everything descends down from them and
03:23:58.080and why it's so important that we don't switch that around or try to take that away from them
03:24:03.120in the stories that we have but it's also worth noting that they do have common issues and things
03:24:09.200and you know if if if olden if lord olden knew that all things why did he let loki kill balder
03:24:17.760and there's lots of questions that could be asked about that and some would say you know
03:24:21.840that's the grandest wisdom of it all is that when all things are destroyed the place in which it
03:24:26.880isn't is the place far away from everything. Um, I've heard people speculate that there's lots of
03:24:32.500speculation in our faith and some of it's very healthy and very good. And I think it spurns
03:24:37.560thought, but to take it into literalism, oh, the gods are imperfect and therefore, so, you know,
03:24:43.960so can I be, um, and, and again, there's another part to this whole situation is it's not about
03:24:52.120the gods and it's not about the stories it's about the intention of the stories when they were
03:24:58.020written when they were comprised was the conversion of christianity going on did the poets start to
03:25:05.180end up being like the philosophes of greece and just losing piety and kind of turning the gods
03:25:11.120into the bunts of their stories in order to either entertain or even to to be in pious towards the
03:25:19.640gods, because perhaps they were looking at this foreign faith coming in as a way that they were
03:25:25.560going to go. You know, the Lokasana is filled with that. So, you know, there's those three
03:25:33.920elements, who the gods are by when you interact with them, when you pray and how they interact
03:25:38.920and actually activate in your life, how they change things and manifest their will. And,
03:25:43.480And, you know, when we talk about praying, like I, you know, prayed to Thor in order for the people in the Midwest to gain the Hoff of Thor.
03:25:53.600And then for some strange reason, he deemed it that, no, it was going to be me and it was going to be on the East Coast.
03:26:01.920I didn't have, you know, it's like, that's us interacting.
03:26:04.840And that's because you're talking to believers who believe in the gods and see them as gods.
03:26:09.660but when you talk about them in the stories we have to have those the heroicism the um there's
03:26:16.840also the symbolic truths behind a lot of these things what what loki represents um what the
03:26:23.820horses mean why there's the three you know why is there's the upper world middle world lower world
03:26:29.200why there is a a rooster in the upper world a rooster in the east and a rooster in the
03:26:34.640underworld and the sounding or conveying of sounds um all of that stuff is really important
03:26:42.080but you also have to consider some of it is timely the merceberg charms uh just that we
03:26:48.200were just talking about clearly mention woven uh fulla and frigga and all of the the
03:26:56.380beings but they kind of speak of them as riding through the woods and their horse gets
03:53:02.620nobility and people who are invested in speaking for their area their people the people that they
03:53:12.700represent and in general advising whoever the autocrat is on things
03:53:20.440And I also think that that cadre of capable, wise people are able to, through lots of different means, make sure that if somebody completely unacceptable is at the top, that that situation can change in a reasonable way.
03:53:50.440Um, again, when you scale up to hundreds of millions, it's silly for me to talk about
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04:02:29.200So, yeah, if you want to be involved in that, let me know,1.00
04:02:32.120and we'll see about making that happen i was going to say sometimes the mcnellens come over
04:02:37.240for that sometimes they don't we are in the midst of a storm we're getting dumped on snow right now
04:02:43.320so i doubt they'll be able to make it to my house this weekend but the following weekend i will see
04:02:49.160both steve and sheila at odin's off for our thoroughblu
04:02:52.840next question from real mage question if freya's real name was engvie what was freya's mardo
04:03:08.680uh freya means lord freya means lady those are titles right swan you want to break that down
04:03:15.400yeah absolutely um the reason why i don't say lady freya is because freya means lady so it'd
04:03:23.640be like saying lady lady or uh i guess you know it's like it becomes normal to a degree but um
04:03:32.360that is an interesting question um if we there's a lot of debate on that
04:03:39.160Some have suggested that perhaps Golvey was a name and that Heath, which I think is also a title, but that that is the true name and that Freyja is Heath and knew ahead of time, or perhaps was testing the gods out with deception before she would arrive as Freyja.
04:04:06.620And that's a theory that has been bounced around for a long time.
04:04:11.380I remember people talking about that in the 90s.
04:04:13.740But again, I think that Golvey and Heath are also title names,
04:04:19.260like Freya is a title name, or at least a descriptor name.
04:04:26.840One person even suggested Mengloth, but Mengloth in Svipsdagmaul, in which Freyja takes her devoted to go learn his ancestry.
04:04:48.420It means necklace happy, again, referencing to the Brzinga men.
04:04:56.840So, to be honest, we don't know. There's a lot of, again, debate. The idea that it could be, again, Mardal is a reference to flax and the pulling of flax to make it into rope and cloth.
04:11:31.520And then whether or whether or not Freya was called Frau or Fro is, you know, up to debate.
04:11:41.280I think it caused a lot of confusion there, the idea of the precious one and the lady or the stations.
04:11:47.340But I will say this much. There was one comment saying, you know, some people say Freya is Ostara.
04:11:51.500And I would like to point out, though, that all of the correlations towards Freya are always about gold, about shining objects, gems, fire from the ground within the earth, amber, and a lot of the associations towards gold and glittering things and beautiful things.
04:12:14.600things that evoke possession things that evoke desire all associated with with uh freya as
04:12:24.220opposed to perhaps the eastern light the solar upper realm of the of ostra i i've even i mean
04:12:34.040um there was um what's their names that uh the reconstructionists or whatever they call
04:12:40.060themselves the saying that that uh the goddess not if a lot of people have read that book um
04:12:47.900that the um one of the the house true ada book said that you know yes um that uh
04:12:59.260they said that the goddess not was ostera and so there's a lot of that pull there i mean that's a
04:13:06.940bit closer because apparently towards the heavenly bodies so i would definitely say that the the
04:13:13.980weight of freya uh being austra is not very strong um and uh and again austra i believe is her own
04:13:23.740because when you look at aurora when you look at um you know the uh or is it as austral
04:13:31.820you know you can see throughout all of the arian branches the dawn goddess
04:13:38.180um and i've always called her the daughter of dellinger and that the the gate that he opens
04:13:46.080is the season of either warmth or cold and she's the one that opens the gates and when she does
04:13:51.800she comes forth and brings pretty much a part of the cyclical nature and i've always applied that
04:13:58.080to the heavenly wardens whether it's the day or the night whether it's the sun or the moon
04:14:03.440or whether it's the the sky and the atmosphere and the seasons another thing to consider
04:14:11.680these are the names that our ancestors came to know our gods by
04:31:09.960And there is Trent with the ceremonial sword for New York's Hoff.
04:31:14.820that was once a marine saber from a member that we have actually lives close to me out here in
04:31:27.940Nevada but he wanted to have that be the ceremonial sword for Njortzhov and yeah that's that's what we
04:31:38.040i have my family sword but it is exceedingly sharp i don't know about using it in certain
04:31:48.360ceremonies and possibly that's what i'm trying to get with relentless we're gonna have uh christian
04:31:55.960sharpen it up traditionally to get it uh nice and nice razor sharp but without messing with the
04:32:03.160temper so we've got some work to do on it but he's uh made an amazing scabbard for it that i
04:32:11.480look forward to connecting sword and scabbard we've got the sword in uh actually the sword for
04:32:18.040right now is with uh witten dan young in south carolina and the scabbard is
04:32:25.320up with christian in it's either with him in north dakota or it's at balder soft proper so we need
04:32:35.080to get get those two to meet up at some point um the next one what do you think of near-death
04:32:44.040experiences uh swan do you have thoughts on near-death experiences uh i think that near-death
04:32:53.080experiences especially if you're looking at a lot of them say from i can't remember the gentleman's
04:33:01.240name there was an actual scientific study done by one in particular um but i think that the genuine
04:33:09.720experiences of it confirm a lot of what we believe in our faith the idea that the ancestors
04:33:18.680and their relation to uh enveloping and embracing uh someone who passes um seems to be a consistent
04:33:28.680theme over and over and over again um some people have spoken of uh ill uh things or they're going
04:33:36.520to bad places i wonder sometimes when they're like oh i go there and i saw you know i see the
04:33:41.720the horn to devil or i see i go up and i see jesus a lot of those folks are again religiously
04:33:48.760motivated and perhaps they you know construed certain things like i wonder how many people
04:33:54.680think they see angels but they're more akin to to light elves or leo salvar um
04:34:02.760but the ancestral part seems to confirm continuously that when we pass um and and
04:34:10.120And then the people that come back that have that out-of-body experience see themselves in their localized area.
04:34:17.740I mean, that just confirms we have a soul.
04:34:20.280And I mean, we obviously believe that.
04:34:22.720And so I think that near-death experiences are, again, just more or less, most of them are confirmations of what our faith already has established within organization, structuring the ideas of what your soul could be,
04:34:39.200what your your ego and your thought and your memory and all of that that passes on
04:34:46.160pretty much what we've been talking about a lot i think uh i'm not a i don't turn my nose down at
04:34:51.360it at all that's i think the best thing i think near-death experiences are
04:34:59.040very i absolutely believe in them i think they're very special um i think that one of
04:35:09.200Certain facts about existence are just true, and different people at different times, different places can screw them through a different framework or a different understanding, but real things are real things.
04:35:25.980One thing that has always been common is approaching death facilitates interaction through the veil.
04:35:41.240That's why in shamanic initiations and things, the shaman brings themselves to the very brink of death, and they come back with a knowledge.
04:35:53.520that's why we see in our lore uh odin pinning himself to the world tree to the point of death
04:36:02.160sacrificing himself to himself and and hanging there in order to win the runes um
04:36:11.920you see that we see people who have near-death experiences and come back
04:36:17.920express a lot of points of commonality that we know to be true the interaction being met by
04:36:25.040members of your family that teaches us a truth that i think we all fundamentally
04:36:33.120believe or at least fundamentally long to believe that seems very much confirmed by that
04:36:38.800the ideas of of beings of light interacting with us and trying to guide us through the veil to the
04:36:48.280other side are those angels are they light elves are they any number of other things depending on
04:36:57.220who you are and what you believe you may name them something different but the important fact is they
04:37:03.280are um i think in a lot of ways it confirms that there is something beyond this that there is
04:37:13.500something waiting for us beyond the veil certainly we all know that and believe that we wouldn't be
04:37:18.680here doing and saying the things we're saying but it confirmation helps a lot and that's just a human
04:37:25.420need we can have faith all day long but there's something different when you've seen it or you've
04:37:30.940been there you get a message from the other side and i think your experiences are profound and i
04:37:38.940think we do well to think on those learn from those analyze those and uh and grow from them
04:37:48.940as i mean as a people obviously the person experiences them certainly but the rest of us
04:37:55.100to take note of them and to, you know, to really think on them.
04:38:00.680I think there's a lot of potential to learn a lot of things that way.
04:38:14.880Which Hoff will get the Mega Hoff or which God will get the Mega Hoff?
04:38:19.100um i think that depends on which uh which hof we're on that at that point if we have a radical
04:38:28.040acceleration of our membership and our donor base in the next you know decade or two then uh we've
04:38:36.500got a list of names in an order that we'll find where that's at um after that we'll really see
04:38:42.200um i think the cool point would be to get to the point where we could afford that because
04:38:47.680specifically those that we looked at they have you know entire campuses that are well set up for
04:38:53.520meetings with you know thousands of people um they've got uh broadcast studios there they've
04:39:00.320got really nice things at those hoffs or at those churches rather that we would turn into a hoff
04:39:06.960that would be really cool but we would need enough of our people to come home to make that to make
04:39:12.640sense. Uh, but yeah, it's exciting. I hope, I hope, I hope we figure out which God will get the
04:39:18.480mega Hoff, uh, in my lifetime. Uh, next question. Is it common for people to call Frigga the all
04:39:26.620mother? I don't know what's below common, but above uncommon. Like it's, it's normal. And
04:39:38.520something that you hear often i don't think that most people do necessarily but lots of people
04:39:46.120certainly do is that your experience swan yeah i would say it's common enough um i think it's
04:39:55.480an equivalency thing it is it's like calling the queen queen because of the king um and and
04:40:03.880certainly to uh lady frigga is in our stories the the the progenitor of many of the divine
04:40:13.720um forms and she herself is uh you know is given of birth from yar the earth um
04:40:23.320and so you know it's it's there is a lot like there but i think it's a more of an equivalency
04:40:31.480thing the other thing is is that you know it was kind of seen as uh lady frigga in her ability to
04:40:38.760kind of read the skein of all um things around her through her
04:40:47.400messengers through the maidens or the the maidens of fensal or the other goddesses
04:40:53.000kind of worked as emissaries um throughout the lands if if you wanted to be or if you
04:41:00.680were protected by frega it was through lean or lena if you were to receive love at the you know
04:41:07.640at the behest of her dominion it was done through her maiden sylvan or um you know if you were uh to
04:41:15.400be given good lands and and a fertile uh place it was done through her maiden gavion so she seems to
04:41:23.320have a very kind of stasis throne as opposed to lord woven who is very dynamic and all of
04:41:30.920her machinations are done from the the throne or from the the castle or from very very i find it
04:41:40.040super um correlative to the idea of like the woman that is home but she has so much power
04:41:47.960and sway because she has eyes and ears everywhere people loyal um and and moving and bringing
04:41:56.200information back but yet she doesn't speak upon it which is what is you know said she knows all
04:42:01.920but speaks very little of it but yeah i think it's common enough all right um
04:42:10.240could there be a ceremonial gun or knife or some other modern weapon absolutely there could be a
04:42:19.600ceremonial any object that you want to imbue with its own might its own homenia and place
04:42:31.200luck and i don't know beingness within that was why it was so important to do a naming for it
04:42:39.700because a name bestows that individualized identity into an item where it gets a mania
04:42:47.780of its own to a degree it's obviously not the same as a child or a living person
04:42:54.500but it makes it something more than an object and something less than a person
04:43:01.940but yes certainly you could use any number of of things you could absolutely use a modern weapon
04:43:08.020i think that's completely appropriate um
04:43:14.820yeah yeah absolutely any anything that you would like um a sword is a particularly
04:43:23.380um potent image for our folks since the dawn of time so it was something that was important to me
04:43:31.140to be that symbolic weapon that embodies the might of the afa but as i mentioned earlier
04:43:37.460want to sharpen it up to battle ready razor sharp edge on it not that i'm going to use it that way
04:43:47.540but because it is a sword and i want to honor it and honor
04:43:53.860what it is meant to be um and so i think that giving thought to the why on something is is
04:44:03.380very important too but absolutely you could do that with a with a modern weapon our faith isn't
04:44:10.020stuck in a certain period of time it's one of the reasons that it was special to me to use
04:44:16.020a civil war cavalry saber is it's not uh you know it's not confined to the viking age it's not
04:44:23.700ancient it's something that people who looked and lived in many ways much like ourselves
04:44:31.060were associated with and could use and understand um so it's a very different context and i think
04:44:37.300it was significant because it is going to live at the afa capital in sigerheim uh in tennessee
04:44:45.780which was a for anybody international which was one of the states that that seceded uh it was
04:44:52.100part of the confederacy during the civil war so i think it's it's special in that regard as well
04:44:57.940and there was a lot of cavalry action in that war in tennessee um next one
04:45:05.620are valkyries based on angels or angels based on valkyries
04:45:12.820svan what are you what are your thoughts on that oh i gotta i got a good one on this one
04:45:19.140um first of all it's worth noting that angelos the messenger in greek comes from when
04:45:27.940um the jews that were coming from the middle east that would eventually establish christianity
04:45:36.100um at the time they were a basically seen as a splinter judaic group that was heretical
04:45:45.780because they chose a person that i guess wasn't backed by the pharisees
04:45:51.140to be the messiah and the messiah if you believe in a messiah that's integral to judaic
04:45:57.940thought i'm a you know a messiah the uh the ark of the covenant um all of that stuff is in
04:46:05.380correlation to judaism and i hate like it's like some christians i'm like you're you're technically
04:46:11.740a subsect of judaism and they're like no we're not it's like do you believe in a messiah because
04:46:16.180the word itself and everything about it is from judaism but angels on the other hand um when you
04:46:24.960look at samarian and semitic groups uh semitics semites are just people that speak the language
04:46:32.640of shem so this includes uh modern day um hebrews or israelites um and modern day arabs are also
04:46:42.160semites but uh you know going back to the samarians the babylonians and so on they generally had four
04:46:49.280Or the reason why I looked this up was because of iconography that for the murals, they have interlocking wings, oftentimes two up, two down, sometimes crossed over, sometimes in multiples.
04:47:02.680You can see some of this surviving in Byzantine Christianity, where they mix the Hellenic concept of a winged messenger with some of the Semitic, where they might just have a head with a halo and a bunch of wings around it.
04:47:19.120that's a combo of those two worlds but where the hellenic actually comes from um it's going to
04:47:26.540blow your mind if you look up etruscan demons especially etruscan demons of the underworld
04:47:34.100there um it throws people off and it's kind of funny to to send people into that rabbit hole
04:47:40.860but i'll explain why the word demon doesn't mean what christians turned that greek word into
04:47:46.760It just means less than or demigod, if you will.
04:47:52.340In essence, Hercules was a demon, according to the Greek usage of the word.
04:47:58.840And the winged beings that angels kind of represent actually come from the Hellenics,
04:48:05.820and they really pulled a lot of theirs from the Etruscans.
04:48:09.540The Etruscans had a very heavy art motif built around winged creatures, winged people, winged helmets, winged sandals, winged horses.
04:48:24.180So there was a huge amount of the usage of wings, but they were always just double, just two wings, like as you would see in, say, modern Christianity's usage of angels.
04:48:36.660um the usage of wings on valkyries or valkyria didn't really come about until um there was the
04:48:44.000saga of the the two brothers that find the swan maidens um who are valkyries uh and they're
04:48:52.860outside they've shed their swan skins to bathe in um uh i believe it's a lake and and then they
04:49:03.400steal the skins and therefore capture the Valkyries and take them as brides. And a lot of people view
04:49:08.800that as an allegoric myth about coming in contact with your own higher self. And that's why the
04:49:16.180Valkyrie oftentimes takes that position in a lot of, like, I guess, framework of the Valkyrie.
04:49:24.020But they really didn't have winged motifs until later. Perhaps they were influenced by
04:49:31.320um the epics of of the homeric hellenic uh greatness but um clearly the winged sense
04:49:41.220is very european it is predominantly hellenic european um same with the um the uh radiant
04:49:48.920halo but we see that kind of influencing in europe long before christianity arrives
04:49:55.440So that's kind of a funny thing that most of the Christian angelic art comes from Etruscan demons.
04:50:05.520It's always fun to watch people like spaz out about that.
04:50:10.280But again, the Valkyria in their names is that they are carriers, not necessarily messengers.
04:50:25.440they don't do a lot of talking. In essence, they're the grasping manifestation of Lord Woden,
04:50:33.440and they take in the form of the fates and the furies. And the fact that they're female could0.97
04:50:40.420very much be from a time in which the Teutonic people, the Gaulish people, and the Hellenic
04:50:47.980people, like the Thracians and such, were all very, very intertwined in their usage of a battle
04:50:55.820maiden, fury, mori, muse, and female kind of counterpart to the slain or to the warrior
04:51:09.560itself. I've always wanted to do a class on in-depth on the Valkyria, but yeah, the usage
04:51:18.580of wings and wingedness, sometimes later on during world, like turn of the century, World
04:51:23.980War I, World War II, a lot of the art that was done was revitalizing Germanicism, but
04:51:30.260they were angelicizing the Valkyrie, which I don't, you know, I don't turn my nose towards
04:51:37.700that either um but that's when it really came into being around that time especially with um
04:51:44.980the operas and the romantic revivals those things kind of just organically blended together
04:52:28.860I think the difference is pretty, like, beautiful to look upon emissaries from the gods is very different than creepy Jewish angels that initially are terrifying and not what later medieval Europeans depict them as.0.67
04:52:55.320So I think there's a big separation in Jewish angels and, you know, Aryan messengers of the gods.0.69
04:54:11.620our next question is what are your thoughts on the claim that Freya and Frigga are the same
04:54:21.800they're not we've been through this many times on this program they are very very distinct and
04:54:30.780they're very opposite in what they embody and we see this time and again in Aryan religiosity
04:54:41.620But you have this concept of the horse goddess and the cow goddess, the idea of the married woman, the mother, the queen, the noble woman inside the context of relationship.
04:55:11.620context of marriage context of society and then you have the unmarried free um unbridled passionate
04:55:23.380magical wild characteristic of of women that's personified by lady freya and they're very
04:55:36.260different inclinations and they're very different expressions of femininity and expressions of
04:55:46.500feminine magic in very different ways they are in a lot of ways very complementary of one another
04:55:52.980but they are certainly very distinct they're distinct all around the only thing that connects
04:55:58.180them is a similarity in language and uh yeah they're they're different
04:59:57.980And then you do your best to play the mental gymnastics.0.79
05:00:00.400I think the fact that so much mental gymnastics was played for our people to try to be a sect of Judaism as opposed to our native faith caused so much dysfunction in our soul and internal conflict that manifested in countless perversions and metastasism.0.92
05:00:26.400So, no, I think that Christianity was terrible for our folk, and I would have loved to have seen where our society would have gone had we not have that poison injected to us, especially in such an early period.0.73
05:00:43.060I would have loved to see what that happened.0.98
05:00:45.060The atheism as a palate cleanser from Christianity serves a function, I suppose.0.69
05:00:53.640But again, I would prefer we had neither and stayed with our authentic faith and saw where that went.