Asatru Folk Assembly - 1⧸15⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 132 - Sólarljóð

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00:03:00.000 Hello, and welcome to this week's exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:13.560 My co-host, Wittance Fawn, is on his way.

00:03:19.060 Some sort of issues are detaining him, but he says he's headed this way.

00:03:23.360 today's piece that we're going to cover is very seldom talked about and takes a little bit of work

00:03:34.660 so i suppose a good thing to load up up front somebody has maximal time

00:03:39.780 um as always we're going with bellows translations and we're reading off of

00:03:49.120 the loose bow dot org i believe yes it is not bellows translation it is thor there is no bellows

00:03:59.040 ah okay we're in that we're in that check that section all right so

00:04:05.400 i guess a thing

00:04:09.560 so i'll figure out so we'll be accurate on on all of these i don't know if

00:04:15.660 this one is a is an outlier or if the next section of heroic lays is going to also be a

00:04:23.480 different translation but i'll get it figured out um i say that say this this one's kind of

00:04:29.500 obscure it's one of the reasons i don't think that bellows did the translation on it uh seldom

00:04:35.100 talks i've talked about and takes a little bit of work it is the solar leo um which is like the

00:04:43.980 songs of the sun it's a whole lot of jesus stuff in there because of the time period but it's

00:04:52.900 really displaying a lot of the inner workings of the mind of our folk at that time it talks

00:05:01.800 about a lot of points of reference that our folk were you know that were relevant to our folks

00:05:10.480 mindset at the time and things that were going through points of familiarity it does have value

00:05:16.400 but it's a little bit less self-evident you got to do a little bit more digging to get the to get

00:05:23.280 the Alcetru value out of this conversion era, very, very Christian lay of our, in our Edda.

00:05:37.200 So he, he has appeared. Svan is with us now, but yeah, please feel free to follow along. Also,

00:05:45.840 you know, as always, if you find it in whatever other source you find it,

00:05:50.260 other translations are welcome and may add a little bit different dimension

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00:11:08.120 y'all set up but yeah we'd love to see you guys at either or both of those events

00:11:13.400 And with that, Svon, do you have any kind of preparation people need to do mentally or otherwise for tonight's subject?

00:11:28.340 I think they need to know.

00:11:30.740 Keep in mind, Beowulf.

00:11:33.480 The construction of this poem is very similar with the admixture of Christianity kind of peppered in.

00:11:41.080 That's about it. It's disjointed. It's it's odd. And like you had said, there are certain poems we're going to go over that may seem to be more relevant than others and that we're trying to glean, you know, the nuggets out of out of it. 1.00

00:12:01.240 we're we're knocking off the the dross and the slag for the you know the the real strong stuff

00:12:09.320 but that that is present here i mean even the first couple stanzas seem very disjointed from

00:12:14.840 the rest of the poem um yeah and i one of the things that i think and i know we've mentioned

00:12:20.840 it on the all right so kind of a as you guys are familiar with the program you know that

00:12:27.960 we collectively and me in specific i tend to go off on these little these little rabbit trails

00:12:33.640 on things because some of that's just kind of how my brain works but something that i think

00:12:38.840 is important to keep in mind and if you've heard it already forgive me for repeating it we have a

00:12:43.080 lot of audience and maybe the first time our lore is really special in a lot of ways and kind of

00:12:52.680 for perspective on our lore um first started out when uh folks like spawn and myself first

00:13:02.040 first came home to also true there was this old like i don't know cheesy

00:13:10.520 in the homework with homework yeah any religion you take seriously is the religion with homework

00:13:16.120 but there was this period and that was during a period where there was a whole lot of

00:13:25.640 self-discovery but self-discovery of a folk self-discovery of a of a religion

00:13:32.120 there was a lot of learning that went on and a lot of still establishing those early footholds

00:13:39.880 and things and when you start out a lot of our material seems very different maybe it's something

00:13:46.600 you've never heard of before something that seems really obscure you get this stack of books and

00:13:51.720 you're like wow there's this endless amount of research you can do you'd be surprised how quickly

00:13:58.280 you run out of endless and we've all kind of read the same things but you know going the

00:14:05.640 i have the privilege of going through this laura again um on this program with you guys and with

00:14:11.800 my colleagues uh first among them uh witness fawn here and it's i can say completely honestly and

00:14:22.120 this is stuff that i have been back over a lot of different times but usually i'm digging for

00:14:26.840 something specific when i go back into it a lot looking at it completely fresh and going on over

00:14:33.320 it in all the details you see really different things and there's our lore is so very deep and

00:14:40.200 layered when you are a young man and you first get into this you the things that stand out to you

00:14:48.900 the things that strike a chord the things that um resonate do so are different or do so in a

00:14:57.360 different way or both then when you approach them at a different stage in your life you know reading

00:15:02.840 this as you know somebody in his in his early 20s trying to make his way in the world um as a you

00:15:11.160 know a single young man trying to become someone is really different than reading it as a as a

00:15:18.280 husband as a father uh as a leader and as a gothi um and that's a really cool thing about it and

00:15:27.400 there's also stuff with you know the lord that's just gonna hit you in the face as big bold color

00:15:32.840 things that stand out that are clearly understood why they're important but the more you go through

00:15:39.960 it at a leisurely pace where you're you're sipping it instead of shooting it you appreciate

00:15:47.720 it in a really different way there's nuance um there's complexity we have big stories of the

00:15:54.760 gods and the big tales that we all hear and that we repeat but things like this give you a glimpse

00:16:01.400 into the psychology and the mindset of the people living during that time frame

00:16:06.840 now we're not ancient vikings at you know during the conversion period that's not where we are

00:16:15.560 but to understand our lore as it is presented in the age that we have that written down

00:16:22.200 the more we understand where people are coming from when they say the things that they say

00:16:27.320 the better we're able to apply that and translate that into terms and situations we face in our own

00:16:36.520 lives so it's cool as a historical interest it's cool as a literary interest it's great for all

00:16:45.560 those things and if that's why you're with us then more power to you that's great but religiously

00:16:51.560 speaking there's there's these little things and these little nuggets that are going to be very

00:16:55.800 valuable to some people and maybe not so much to others so i appreciate you guys joining us on this

00:17:04.200 on this journey that we're taking tonight um if you go ahead and get where we are at find your spot

00:17:13.880 and uh dive in when he is ready yeah i was gonna say a little bit um

00:17:20.280 um one i think this is a harsh reality poem um most likely simon the wise um was tasked with

00:17:31.560 writing it down um but the person who composed the poem is still unknown the style is very very old

00:17:41.580 so it is done in like the for me this log style the the old way and um i think that's what probably

00:17:49.420 drew the attraction the other thing is is it was probably a really new poem to snorri and simon

00:17:55.660 there at the time um but was um held in the old style so this is the best thing that they could

00:18:05.980 probably ask for i think it's worth remembering that all of our poems that are written down

00:18:14.620 come from stories and i think a lot of people forget that and that these stories were shaved

00:18:23.260 and constructed in such a way that they would be good poems based on poetic rules so

00:18:33.740 So when I tell stories of the gods and things like that, it's not always in a poetic format, and it's not always, you know, held in strictness.

00:18:48.440 um so snorty and simon that were at a time 150 years after the conversion of iceland and it's a

00:18:59.080 it's a tumultuous time um in which cultures are clashing there are churches that are showing up

00:19:06.200 people are kind of again forced to go um not in the sense that they're held at spear point

00:19:14.160 before they go, but that it's noticed when they don't show up. And, you know, at first it's like,

00:19:23.240 yes, you can, you can honor the Iser at different times. But you, you know, you go and you honor

00:19:29.420 the Christ God of Rome or the Christ God of Jerusalem on Sunday. And if you don't show up,

00:19:36.980 it starts to get noticed. And then the clergy of these churches start to weave within the

00:19:43.620 communities, certain things. And then of course they're, they're focusing in on the children,

00:19:49.480 perhaps even the, the, the women and the young daughters and trying to, you know, impress upon

00:19:56.380 them the importance of saving their soul from, um, Gehenna or, you know, what they call hell by this

00:20:05.020 point so um there's a lot to that this is in essence a christian poem um from a father to a son

00:20:18.060 but there are marks of or references to a time before so this poem really is that nexus point

00:20:30.620 in the in the day room if you will it's the x point and the x point is sometimes contentious

00:20:39.500 sometimes mysterious sometimes confusing convoluted and uh before you know moving into

00:20:49.500 the new era of things and i think that this is an example of it is that they're tearing down

00:20:56.700 the spiritual house of a people that have been around for thou that has been around for thousands

00:21:02.380 of years and um is now replacing it with the bureaucratic church and um you know it would be

00:21:14.140 like oh you can't say it's a bureaucratic church or what have you but i would like to note the

00:21:18.700 icelanders immediately kicked out the catholic church the moment that the the lutheran reformation

00:21:24.300 happened because they were very tired of having to kind of bow to rome or bow to the whims of of

00:21:37.500 not so much a four far away land because travel wasn't a big problem problem was a different

00:21:43.500 culture a different people and not only that these people had been inundated with a culture

00:21:50.460 of other people that were not folk so there was a great degree of separation there and i think

00:21:57.980 martin luther allowed this foreignness to be kind of contained a little bit more into the realm of

00:22:07.180 the teutonic or the germanic mindset so don't be surprised when we start this i mean it's it reads

00:22:13.260 like christian literature um but it does again reference back and it'll give us a chance to talk

00:22:22.540 about i i know that um i was here ago the enemy both come from deeply christian backgrounds um

00:22:31.660 i i didn't you know really come home until i was 12 13 14 somewhere in that area early 90s and um

00:22:43.260 you know, before that I was, you know, uh, coming to America and exploring their, um,

00:22:51.060 religious landscape. Um, Lutheranism was what my, my mother, you know, kind of pointed me in the

00:22:57.660 direction of, and then there was, you know, Catholic and Presbyterian, um, churches that

00:23:03.280 were also available to me through friends. So I, I would go to all of them to, to look and kind of

00:23:09.280 find the answer to this deep feeling I had in me that there was something. And then when those

00:23:17.180 did not fulfill that desire, it was actually my mother. So it was like, the answer was in my

00:23:26.660 house all along that led me towards understanding that my ancestors had a religion before Christianity,

00:23:34.820 which i did not know and then once i found out it it led me down this path of um understanding

00:23:43.060 that there was a religion practiced by my ancestors for many many many many years before

00:23:50.820 christianity and it was just kind of taught that there wasn't that there was just some sort of gray

00:23:56.980 void before so um okay let's see also i'll be doing the thorpe translation for this one um

00:24:10.260 which i think is the same for the the volus bow.org i don't know if yeah okay gotcha yeah just to let

00:24:20.100 everybody know this is the thorpe translation i i don't believe um bellows did did this one

00:24:30.420 you were tardy uh it caught me on this one the last one i did that to you i was able like actually

00:24:35.460 spawn um sorry but yeah i didn't see it in the intro of of this one but yeah that's that's kind

00:24:42.420 of a testament to its obscurity and i think a lot of the audience will be completely unfamiliar with

00:24:48.340 it well and one thing they might notice about thorpe is his straightforwardness which i really

00:24:55.780 like if you want to kind of cut through the poetic din if if bellows is and and hollander

00:25:05.540 and their kind of way of writing is too i've heard people say biblical because you know the king's

00:25:11.780 gene king james um bible um read thorpe thorpe cuts straight to the bone um and his writing style is

00:25:22.180 is very flat um and oftentimes his translations are comically direct or or just flatly written

00:25:32.740 out so it's it's kind of good to keep thorpe on the sidelines when you want to cut through the

00:25:40.900 poetics if you will um so we start off with one of life and property a fierce freebooter despoiled

00:25:55.860 mankind over the ways beset by him might no one living pass so many bodies and many people have

00:26:07.700 Have I killed? Much property have I taken? Going a Viking. Again, the best translation, I think,

00:26:16.980 to Viking. And, you know, our scholars of the past understood it to be a job or a verb is

00:26:26.200 freebooting. Of course, for anybody that needs to know, the German word butte, B-U-T-T-E,

00:26:32.780 means treasure so it survives in our language with freebooter um someone who takes the treasure 0.70

00:26:40.520 um without giving in kind um so this fierce freebooting despoiled mankind over the ways

00:26:49.760 beset by him might know one living past so one despoiled shows that the essence of the of the

00:26:59.600 um elder mindset especially at that time was that there was no um kind of crime in

00:27:11.000 going out taking and up and adding to your own your inner guard gets enriched your outer guard

00:27:21.060 is free game and um this again applies the the mindset of inner guard outer guard and it has

00:27:30.980 changed um over time and all religions and all moral systems that are built around them do have

00:27:38.780 ones that are subjective um and i think this is one of them but for our ancestors the idea was

00:27:46.300 if they could take, especially from those who were not defending their wealth and riches to build up their own, was good.

00:27:59.660 Well, and everything is about context.

00:28:02.880 And I see people try to rationalize or make excuses, but we're not.

00:28:09.860 i've i've warned against this a lot taking

00:28:15.200 holding ancient people accountable to 2025 understandings of things is really different

00:28:28.980 so the world is largely settled there's very little wilderness there's very little you know

00:28:37.220 untouched by civilization peoples of the world. There's a couple cannibal tribes hidden in the

00:28:44.360 jungle or hidden on an island somewhere, but in general, modern nation states have divided the

00:28:51.420 world and there's borders, there's political concerns, there's things, or there's integrated

00:28:56.300 societies. That's not the world that our ancestors, the ones that we're reading about tonight, 0.97

00:29:01.560 occupy there's a lot of unaffiliated random things out there there's a lot of it's not

00:29:10.040 nearly that clear but the other thing about first world problems we complain about man if your ac

00:29:17.560 goes out like it's the end of the world or you know if you find out that i don't know you want

00:29:25.480 to go get indian food but those people like to take a nap at like between one and two in the

00:29:30.120 afternoon and you can't get your indian food that day in the middle of you know reno nevada you're

00:29:36.360 upset i was gonna say that sounds oddly personal no that's it's time for sleeping like if i was

00:29:43.640 in calcutta then fine but no we don't we don't sleep at one o'clock here we feed we feed matt

00:29:50.120 non and uh beef korma wait a minute wait flag on the play you eat indian food

00:29:57.960 i do i know no i just i remember us having that conversation where

00:30:06.920 the best indian food and this is a sad irony you got to find the like pakistanis or the like

00:30:14.120 indians that aren't hindu or whatever beef is amazing in indian food

00:30:20.360 everything that you eat with chicken and indian food is better if it is beef

00:30:24.600 um but i digress i digress significantly what i was going to say is

00:30:32.040 we have all these really silly problems or you know we're not getting good internet connectivity

00:30:38.120 to watch whatever streaming show at our fingertips we want to watch i too am vexed when i cannot do

00:30:45.160 those things but our ancestors were in a time where if you're not especially in scandinavia

00:30:52.200 if you're not on top of it, lots of our people, maybe you're not eating. Maybe you lose the baby

00:31:00.140 because you're not consuming enough nutrients to feed them or to produce enough milk to feed the

00:31:06.840 child. You know, if you're not storing things up, your family goes hungry. If you are not able to

00:31:14.640 insulate yourself against the cold, you're freezing to death. There's a lot of realities.

00:31:21.020 So it seems harsh in this day and age to see it this way because we are surrounded by comfort and safety nets.

00:31:32.600 But if my people that look like me, that are related to me, that I know that are my folk are suffering and guys over on this other island or this other piece of land that are not my people, that I don't know, that do other things, have stuff that I need or want.

00:31:55.120 If one of us is going to make it through the winter, I'm going to do my damnedest to make sure it's me and mine.

00:32:00.080 and that's the reality a lot of these people that is the impetus and i don't want to sugarcoat it

00:32:06.520 yes when you realize man i can get rich doing this i can farm and maybe have some goats and

00:32:13.240 i can eat some sheep testicles and some goat head or i can get casks of wine and exotic spices and

00:32:24.340 delicious things from you know these four to five five places especially in a warrior culture if i

00:32:31.340 can take it and they can't defend it then cool and that's in our head we may not see the connection 0.96

00:32:41.820 but vikings are pirates like they are yard they are pirates they are pirates in every sense of 0.55

00:32:51.200 that word is what the term means but just like pirates if we take a better look at

00:32:58.800 some of them have notes of mark and they're actually you know some kind of semi-affiliated

00:33:06.240 guerrilla navy for a country that that helps so some of these viking raids are done with

00:33:12.480 the blessing of princes or of kings against nations and people that are not their allies

00:33:21.680 there's there's a lot of gray area in between there but some of these are just you know going

00:33:27.840 out for plunder and seeing what you can get out of it some of them are trading expeditions that

00:33:32.480 happen to you know we will also steal some stuff some of them are there's a wide variety but in

00:33:42.480 And Scandinavia at that time period, that was a major source of establishing yourself and your family with some degree of prominence, is literally going and winning it with axe and sword and spear.

00:33:58.420 It was a dangerous life, and you saw a lot of that in December when we went over Ayo's saga.

00:34:04.340 So, here we are.

00:34:08.100 So, as soon as we jumped in the first stanza, we're like, boom. But that's the beauty of these. It's a shorter poem, and having that dialogue, I think, gets a chance for people to get kind of our opinions on these things, and also to, you know, ask those questions.

00:34:32.420 so in two he says alone he ate most frequently no one invited he to his repast until weary and

00:34:46.660 with failing strength a wandering guest came from the way three in need of drink that way

00:34:56.620 worn man and hungry feigned to be with trembling heart he seemed to trust him who had been so evil

00:35:05.980 minded so again feigning hunger but yet still he trusts um meet and drink in four to the weary one

00:35:20.960 he gave all with upright heart on God. He thought the travelers wants supplied for he felt he was

00:35:33.000 an evil doer. So when I made kind of an emphasis on that, because I know the kind of modern talk

00:35:42.260 with like the young gen Z or gen alpha, or I don't know which one it is about the whole on God

00:35:49.080 um comment but i just found it quite funny but um again there's this moment here now where a guest

00:35:56.840 is being brought in and held according to really the ancient customs of hospitality 0.99

00:36:02.920 and there is apprehension because he is a viking he is a freebooter 0.97

00:36:14.060 up stood the guest he evil meditated he had not been kindly treated his sin within him swelled 0.84

00:36:27.280 he while sleeping murdered his weary cautious host so now we see the the weariness and and just

00:36:37.120 Basically, one of the big caveats of Christianity coming into the Nordic lands was the emphasis of sin.

00:36:49.900 And so now they're establishing. 0.79

00:36:52.160 And again, when this poem is recited, it's kind of creating new moral parameters within society.

00:37:02.520 the god of heaven he prayed for help when being struck he woke but he was doomed the sins of him

00:37:15.540 on himself to take whom sackless he had slain sorry the yeah i got confused the the viking is

00:37:24.140 being attacked in his sleep. Um, so kind of like his sins or his karma, I guess is kind of what 0.56

00:37:34.520 they're, are, um, ultimately saying, but not cumulative karma, like as how like modern people

00:37:40.940 think of it um where it just like comes back um holy angels came from heaven above and took to

00:37:52.220 them his soul in a life of purity it shall ever live with the almighty god so in this first seven

00:38:02.540 i think it's worth noting that there are some interesting things uh translationally um one

00:38:10.060 they don't capitalize god uh when they're referring to yahweh um you also notice that like there are

00:38:19.740 words that are part of the germanic lexicon and then others that aren't so for instance him in

00:38:30.780 our hymna good heavenly god and then hell year engler and engler being angel angel is a

00:38:42.700 uh greek word latin word or greek originally um that was taken by the um the jews of the early

00:38:51.260 church and um in reference to um

00:38:57.980 their uh their gods they have what they were called molochs not moloch but moloch meaning messenger

00:39:09.100 um so we can see that kind of transference there um and then it almost kind of shifts

00:39:20.620 i'm getting okay we're getting nick is your mic on

00:39:26.700 no apparently it was

00:39:33.340 um so uh in and i see i keep getting notifications too i'm trying to figure out

00:39:43.340 where everything is so i can silence it all um

00:39:50.620 Okay. One second there. There we go.

00:39:56.860 So now it switches over.

00:40:00.760 Riches and health no one may command, though all go smoothly with him.

00:40:06.680 To many that befalls which they least expect, no one may command his tranquil.

00:40:14.880 And then it breaks off.

00:40:17.320 this again because the um uh writing of this is not complete as in they just it didn't survive

00:40:27.480 very well um uner and saivalvi never imagined that happiness would fall from them yet naked

00:40:40.760 they became and all bereft like wolves and like wolves ran to the forest 0.77

00:40:50.760 the force of pleasure has many a one bewailed cares are often caused by women 0.99

00:40:58.920 pernicious they become although the mighty god them pure created so 0.97

00:41:06.440 this point is like a shifting into the afterlife and one of the key factors that christians brought 0.74

00:41:14.600 into the um the ousa true world as we we will just say it for ease um is oh you can't take it

00:41:26.360 with you you can't take the the money with you um i think this was a huge tactic towards their

00:41:34.360 ability to to go towards tithing is that they kind of disassociated wealth with personages

00:41:43.720 like person uh or personness i guess is the the best word um they were having a problem

00:41:51.960 oh go ahead i was gonna say so a couple of things and and while we're on this

00:41:56.600 i think it is very politically charged to say that christianity equals communism

00:42:07.400 but it kind of does and it does in a lot of ways in the idea of social level

00:42:14.360 so in the sermon on the mount you know it's basically blessed are the the losers as opposed to

00:42:24.600 in any european pagan society of the time specifically in aussitrew no blessed are the

00:42:33.400 heroes blessed are the winners um but the the population that was first converting to christianity

00:42:42.840 wasn't the success even even in a completely uh jewish middle eastern context it wasn't

00:42:49.400 the successful Jews. It wasn't the priests. It wasn't the folks that were having success in 0.83

00:42:57.580 their life. It was the poor, the downtrodden, the slaves, the widows and orphans and people

00:43:04.540 who were struggling. And the idea that the least will be made greatest, the idea that it takes

00:43:12.220 the underdog and you're saved by faith alone and not by works that none might boast so the idea is

00:43:22.140 you get made you know you get enriched and elevated because jehovah decides to bless you

00:43:36.700 with good things when he gives you a reward in the afterlife and you know those people that

00:43:46.700 have the audacity to be successful in life well he's going to knock them down a peg and they don't

00:43:51.660 get to take it with them and it's very contrary to our lore but something to think about that i

00:43:57.740 think is interesting so while we're on while we're on the money thing but i do want to mention

00:44:04.860 something else but while we're on that our people get a

00:44:13.020 silly reaction to money and i think that we inherit that from you know some of the culture

00:44:20.380 that brought people to usitru and a lot of that as i've said before is trying to contrast it 0.71

00:44:25.500 with christianity like oh we see this corruption in the christian church of these pastors that are

00:44:32.220 in a lot of in some in some ways that are obvious and particularly offensive to us

00:44:38.620 like scamming people out of money and we get this idea in our head that that's bad and money's bad

00:44:45.980 and whatever silliness that we have is a reaction to something negative

00:44:52.620 one thing that was interesting to me earlier this year when i was reading um the elder gods by

00:44:58.380 steven hollington uh what was it bishop opheus in england was getting really grumpy and contrasting

00:45:07.820 it because the christians in england weren't tithing and they were being shown up because

00:45:14.140 the aussituror were you know competing to be the first guy to bring awesome sacrifices and

00:45:21.340 goods to the temple and to to pay their half toller while the christians were you know

00:45:28.700 being miserly and not wanting to do that so there's not this idea that christians were

00:45:36.380 you know trying to enforce this tithe and that the aussitur didn't

00:45:42.380 didn't make religious offerings in terms of goods money and service because they absolutely did

00:45:48.940 there's a lot of stuff that we don't know by omission but the existence of a priesthood of

00:45:54.060 hoffs and of things we see glimpses of a lot and what we do and it's an ancient term is hoftomer

00:46:01.580 that's what supported the gothar and the hoffs and that was a that was a thing and it was

00:46:07.420 interesting because we see it so rarely but to see opheus like ah these also true with their

00:46:12.940 generous offerings to their gods and and our christians can't you know be bothered to to do

00:46:18.780 their part so i don't think that hostility towards money i think that's uh anachronistically laid

00:46:27.020 towards the past i don't think that's how it was at all um but also things about the afterlife

00:46:34.220 When we hear Christian, very often we think of Latin Catholicism, and we don't realize that early Greek, early Jewish Christianity was very, very different.

00:46:55.200 um it talks about how these you know beautiful angels come and like immediately take the soul

00:47:03.220 of the dead up to heaven to up to their paradise that's not a bible thing that's like with ezekiel

00:47:13.080 with jesus with a very few select people they get a straight route to oh you die

00:47:20.240 or don't and we'll just bring you up you know big guys calling you up that's not what most of that

00:47:28.300 was most of it was dead the idea of the dead having an afterlife in heaven is a very late

00:47:35.880 addition to biblical christianity you see that in terms of like post apocalypse in revelation

00:47:45.340 but you don't see that in the jewish lore that's not their tradition the idea of you being elevated

00:47:52.260 up to heaven and being brought up by like women because angels in the medieval conception are

00:48:01.440 these like beautiful women taking you up to heaven with their wings and whatever

00:48:06.420 that is much much more similar to the idea of the the valkyrie than it is to 0.60

00:48:15.340 You know, the strange like beholder looking monsters manual things that are the Jewish conception of angels. 0.74

00:48:25.580 So you still you see Christianity starting to take the medieval shape that we're used to during this time of and I say this time of conversion conversion has been going on for probably 700 years, 800 years at this point. 0.88

00:48:43.300 But you see the transition from the imagery and the appeal to the Semitic mind to the imagery and the appeal to our Aryan mind and specifically the Nordic mind at this point.

00:48:58.080 And it's a very different picture.

00:48:59.500 And I think that it's telling and interesting in the ancient world before communication was so instant, your Christianity in Scandinavia is very, very different than the Christianity at Rome.

00:49:18.520 And it's worlds different than the Christianity in Constantinople, in Antioch, in the Holy Land, in Ethiopia.

00:49:32.840 You have these in Coptic Christians in Egypt.

00:49:35.940 You have these different sects of Christianity at the time that look very, very different because of these things.

00:49:43.220 Now, yes, the European overlay of Christianity became the predominant one as our folk basically conquered the known world and conquered the ability to spread information and to culturally nominate.

00:49:59.740 But when you're judging Christianity in order to do it fairly, and this is what I am very, very thankful to Jehovah's Witnesses for. 0.89

00:50:07.140 in their interpretation of Christianity versus

00:50:13.440 the world, as they would say, but versus paganism, they were very honest brokers.

00:50:24.980 Their Christianity is biblical Christianity, and it's not fun, and it's not cool looking, 0.88

00:50:29.940 and it's not any of those things, to me, perhaps if I was a Middle Eastern Hebrew gentleman, 1.00

00:50:38.100 I would see it differently, but I'm not. And it made really clear kind of what that

00:50:45.620 probably looked like at the time. And so I think in order to judge fairly, as opposed to just

00:50:52.820 reacting to what we think is Christianity, if we're going to try to make sure to react against

00:50:59.320 it we should react against like actual christianity and not the various

00:51:08.360 trans morphing that their ideology took in an appeal to our folk soul a lot of the things and

00:51:15.560 i see people and i think this is fair a lot of people are rightly moved by a lot of religious

00:51:21.320 imagery that's been presented as christian to them because so many of the reference points

00:51:27.240 in it are beautiful they're beautiful because they're not christian they're all of the cool

00:51:34.280 stuff now maybe it's not practiced correctly in that way but the imagery the root the meme if you

00:51:42.720 will of it comes from our folk soul and i say that everybody's going to have different tastes

00:51:49.080 of the stuff that you like but a lot of the things i find our folk are very impressed by

00:51:54.480 when they are impressed by Christianity are things that are very un-Christian in a, you know, in a literal sense.

00:52:07.000 I noticed in the chat American Farmer had made mention about these, you know, the 30-point reforms to Christianity.

00:52:14.360 I think it's worth noting, though, if you go down that pathway, it's best to context.

00:52:20.060 um rosenberg was using the gnostic church of the marseillanites and the marseillanites

00:52:28.380 their entire um structure was built on completely removing the old testament and

00:52:38.140 the problem with modern christians or at least christianity in general is that the establishment

00:52:46.140 of a messiah which is not arian at all in any way shape or form um is established in the old

00:52:55.900 testament so removing that became problematic and that's why that church was kind of listed

00:53:03.200 in the gnostic churches um and was eventually burned out um but i mean i understand you know

00:53:11.720 what you're saying but it's worth you know remembering that there's that that heavy caveat

00:53:18.120 that if christianity was reformed in that direction um it would in essence be removing

00:53:26.360 the spirit of what it entirely is and that's it's a semitic religion i often say over and over again 0.51

00:53:34.220 And when I when I talk to, you know, very pro-European guys who are Christian online, that they are it is a subsect of Judaism. 0.89

00:53:46.520 It is pseudo-Judaic. And that goes all the way down to the point of a Messiah. 0.89

00:53:53.640 um and so that was the one problem that i think rosenberg and a lot of other people that were

00:54:01.300 looking at the reformations of christianity and possibilities of where it could go um even

00:54:07.720 who was the um christian gnostic who tried to convert the goths um and their view that um the

00:54:18.360 rabbi um yeshua was not the s not the same as yahweh but a creation of and you know again there

00:54:30.520 was all these different gnostic churches um so i mean even the the simonites who jesus's brother

00:54:38.760 and that whole thing is kind of argued started a church in egypt um the gnostic like

00:54:45.560 rabbit hole to go down is pretty interesting that's kind of a key theme that we'll run into

00:54:54.040 in a lot of this yes if you're trying to make a christianity that's awesome for our people

00:55:04.920 then yes as a fact the less christian you make it the better it will be but what i

00:55:14.520 so this is an and i'm not um american farmer i'm not aiming this at you that's a really good

00:55:21.640 good comment and i'm glad that you made it when i answer some of these things sometimes they feel

00:55:26.080 like they're aimed at the poster and they're not they're aimed at the people listening that i see

00:55:30.680 a point of similarity in the question or in the comment a lot of people and i've mentioned this

00:55:36.520 lot on recent shows weren't raised religiously certainly our european audience it's very doubtful

00:55:45.880 they were raised with regular church attendance and regular religious expression in their upbringing

00:55:53.000 and we're seeing that like in my day most americans you're kind of at

00:56:01.480 if your family wasn't religious you're maybe one step removed from it your your your best friend

00:56:09.880 your neighbor was so and that's different different parts of the country you might find yourself in

00:56:16.040 but um it's worth it's worth noting so we get we get folks that approach religion from a point of

00:56:26.360 atheism as opposed to from position of being a person of faith and the initial kind of forays

00:56:33.880 and thought processes are kind of different a lot of young people especially young men

00:56:39.720 on the internet whatever that wake up to some of these things they try to strategically plan

00:56:48.840 or craft religion because they realize it's important and it should happen and it should

00:56:55.560 be a thing but they're not tied to it as being a reality it's like you're picking and choosing

00:57:03.560 something on a video game to customize your your and it's not that religion is about truth yes we

00:57:12.680 could make up whatever we want to make this cool you know if i wanted to maximize growth or maximize

00:57:22.120 this or that or the other i could just make up stuff but that's not religion that's i mean

00:57:33.720 it's it's not genuine and there's i i mean there's liars and fraudsters that would do that

00:57:40.120 we're very careful not to do this the stuff that we're presenting we believe to be well first the

00:57:44.920 stuff that we're presenting is true the particulars of it we genuinely believe to be true or our

00:57:50.520 closest understanding of that truth. And it's either real or it's not. Like, yeah, you can

00:57:57.520 twist around Christianity to make it better, but that doesn't mean our people, it's not noble for 0.87

00:58:07.580 our people to give our devotion to a Semitic God that we don't believe is good or ours or

00:58:15.940 the right way to go it is right and noble for our people to embrace our gods and rebuild our 1.00

00:58:24.040 relationship with them in that pursuit of things we know to be true so the machinations it's very

00:58:32.840 uncomfortable to jettison something that has had put a layer of paint put a a lens over

00:58:42.820 the glories of western civilization for the last thousand years i completely understand that

00:58:50.320 so we want to kind of have our cake and eat it too and like no we could still have christianity

00:58:56.020 because look at all these amazing um you know pieces of music these beautiful cathedrals these

00:59:02.080 works of art this this cultural expansion all of this stuff we don't want to get rid of all that

00:59:08.540 so you try so hard to like shave the pieces so you can make the square peg go into the round

00:59:17.900 hole ultimately it's the noble thing and it's the courageous thing to say you know no this is wrong

00:59:25.880 we're going to go a different way we're going to appreciate the beautiful things about our past

00:59:32.500 and what got us here but we're going to break with the things that are bad and wholeheartedly

00:59:37.980 embrace the thing that's new you don't you know you don't you don't try to make your ex look like

00:59:50.280 the girl that you want to be with like you don't like try to like here you should put on a costume

00:59:56.420 like this chick that i'm supposed to be with over here so that i can have the comfort of 1.00

01:00:02.360 what I'm used to, that's disingenuous to both parties. And it's just kind of the wrong thing

01:00:09.820 to do. And you're never going to get what you're actually trying to do. It's just kind of a,

01:00:16.560 it's setting yourself up for failure. And it's, you, you live with the incongruence of it

01:00:21.760 when you're left alone by yourself and you know, it's not true.

01:00:26.760 um i was looking up something so here's an interesting thing um but i don't know at what

01:00:36.820 point in christian history um they may have felt about this but one of the interesting

01:00:42.700 points about this poem is um one the first seven stanzas are in essence

01:00:51.700 about uh kind of uh anonymous or unknown people because then it switches after eight and there

01:01:03.620 is no connection between the sleeping guest that is uh overtaken by the uh the ravaging

01:01:11.220 um viking or sorry sleeping host overtaken by the viking um guest there's that that actually

01:01:21.400 doesn't correlate into the other parts of the poem so in essence it's kind of highlighting sin

01:01:29.520 but the overarching thing is that this is a poem about a a father who is deceased

01:01:37.320 and is passing on this knowledge to his son how to maintain salvation and i

01:01:44.600 you know, I don't know if this is a newer thing, but I remember in Christian teachings growing up

01:01:52.980 was that anything outside of God was ungodly, the devil, demons, whatever. But that even too 0.99

01:02:01.580 conversing with the dead, that each individual soul is concerned with gaining access into

01:02:12.260 um sham naim or heaven as they you know translated it to um and getting closer to

01:02:20.300 yahweh and it doesn't matter if you're good or not unless you follow precepts or maintain the

01:02:28.280 covenant or um accept the rabbi as your uh you know messiah um you don't get in so i find that

01:02:38.620 very interesting because the whole premise of the poem is more akin to our way in which you know

01:02:47.980 the stories of going and finding the a keyhole into the realm of the ancestors beyond the veil

01:02:56.460 and having them glean some wisdom towards us um is what this poem ultimately is about

01:03:03.420 i want to say one more thing before we get back into it on promethean josh your point about

01:03:10.020 catholicism this is a i don't know a lot to some people an unpopular opinion but it's my sincere

01:03:18.120 belief i think that people look back and one of the things that they don't like is the

01:03:23.700 broken line of tradition between um the outro of our ancestors and then there's this big gap

01:03:33.280 when they there's this man what would that look like today what's the closest

01:03:37.620 point of reference that we have and a lot of people go to hinduism to think that that's the

01:03:45.180 closest thing to what a evolution of um of also true would have been with the advancements of

01:03:57.780 time and i don't think that's the case if we look around for religious tradition of what's most

01:04:05.140 similar to original also true i i think that medieval catholicism like pre-vatican ii catholicism

01:04:14.900 is a much closer evolution of what that would look like than hinduism yes some of the i realize that

01:04:23.620 a lot of hindu tradition and their concept of the gods in a lot of ways goes back to very very ancient

01:04:32.420 aryan roots but so much of what they do is completely and totally foreign roman catholicism

01:04:40.740 jettisoned so much of the middle easternness of what they're doing and was built so heavily on

01:04:47.300 the ability to build on cultural touchstones of our ancestors that is a much closer approximation

01:04:57.380 in a lot of ways and i know that makes some folks uncomfortable but i think that

01:05:01.380 there's a great deal of truth in it also uh hammer wise um i wanted to say

01:05:10.180 mithra slaying the the bull not i think the first one on the list i would even argue

01:05:17.060 that those connections of mithras to persia but um the lord thor slaying ye more are you uh you more

01:05:28.340 your man gander um or uh sigurd slaying fafnir those would be far more close in the mind

01:05:39.380 in relation to um saint michael slaying the dragon then i'm sure mithras was is there um but he had

01:05:48.180 more of a mediterranean influence you know when you see that in england when you see that in

01:05:53.460 germany and north more likely the connection was to lord thor or to sigurd um than mithras but

01:06:05.140 But I'm not saying that it doesn't have its place, but I certainly don't think it's the first on the list.

01:06:13.920 And I think that in this day and age, we get a lot of conversation and people will throw like Mithras up there because of his uniqueness and kind of his ground zero with his church and the Christian church kind of coming at the same time.

01:06:30.260 But we've got to talk about the imagery and all of that stuff that our ancestors really keyed in on when they saw like St. Michael slaying the dragon.

01:06:42.480 The stories of their people were, I think, more ground zero to them than perhaps the obscure religion of Mithras in Rome that didn't survive like Christianity did, especially after Constantinople.

01:07:02.920 Um, you know, cause we have it so firmly or the Slavs with, uh, Velez and Perun, Velez coming up as the serpent and Perun's like striking him down or Hercules, um, fighting the Hydra.

01:07:21.740 Um, there's just so many, um, Aryan examples of the warrior fighting the serpent.

01:07:29.580 him um i just wanted to point that out um so we see it kind of shift and there might be some

01:07:44.460 connection to it some people have thought that the the two people that are named in these stanzas

01:07:50.400 are the two people um in the first seven stanzas and i was actually i was looking up something as

01:08:00.960 well because the name owner um i don't know if it has can be used in both genders in icelandic

01:08:11.440 I don't know if the spelling makes it different, but my grandmother's name was Unur.

01:08:22.120 And so I don't know, actually, about the Old Norse name and whether or not it was specific to a gender.

01:08:32.400 And I always wondered about that.

01:08:34.400 I even asked my mother, is her name Una?

01:08:38.980 And she said, no, it's Unur.

01:08:41.440 um home frieders doctor so you know no confusion um but in this case i i don't i don't know and

01:08:53.680 again a lot of names can hop over like um you know my sister's name is svana so svana and

01:09:02.560 and then you know carl or cock and um cara those are the gender specific sides but they're considered

01:09:12.800 kind of the same name so here they're establishing again that you can't take wealth with you 0.73

01:09:21.360 that you know there is great sin um even though i would argue there's great dishonor in slaying your

01:09:29.680 host um the ultimate part of that i think is that they're trying to say that going a viking

01:09:36.880 is a sinful trade um so they're laying out these kind of tutelage of moral systems

01:09:47.920 to backdrop on sin which is another new uh concept coming into um

01:09:55.280 um the nordic age after the you know the year 1000. um and it says unir and saivaldi which

01:10:09.080 means sea strength um never imagined that happiness would fall from them yet naked they

01:10:18.560 came and all of all bereft and like wolves ran to the forest so they're filled with fear and now

01:10:28.560 they're stripped of their being um and i this is again isolation tactics that um christianity uses

01:10:37.680 you are now stripped of everything you are um and now yahweh is going to go over all the bad stuff

01:10:47.600 you did and there's no way you can escape it unless you do these you know certain things

01:10:53.920 um and then it says you know of a force uh the force of pleasure uh has many one bewailed um

01:11:02.160 cares are often caused by women pernicious they become although and this is again another inch

01:11:08.400 although mighty god uh them pure created so there is this reference here that of um 0.92

01:11:20.960 women being purely created but become these pernicious beings of lust and wantonness um

01:11:31.440 and then it shifts again um so these i you know the way i read that those last two stanzas is is 1.00

01:11:42.720 a lovers i think unner is a feminine name in the old norse context so yeah the r at the end doesn't

01:11:53.120 indicate gender well you i was talking about this somebody the other night it's really different

01:12:01.600 because we get very used to that in in modern language but in in the old norse that's very much

01:12:06.240 not the case yeah and i so it's again when i was saying this is disjointed it is a disjointed poem

01:12:15.920 that kind of smatters things together i think the biggest thing that's worth remembering is that

01:12:22.640 simon and snorri did not write these down to keep the religion going i think that they wrote this

01:12:32.400 down to keep the poetics going yes and um people forget that and i don't think that under that

01:12:44.000 premise they did not change the poems a lot i think that they they did at certain points

01:12:54.800 um but certainly not just free-range to to do it because one thing about icelanders icelanders

01:13:06.640 what's cool is that also true is so part and parcel of national identity in a lot of ways

01:13:14.000 that the preservation of the poetics of it holds such a value that it gets preserved along along

01:13:28.520 with stuff um holding on to their cultural traditions that's why linguistically their

01:13:37.280 is so much closer to Old Norse than Norwegian, Swedish, or Danish. It's why their naming

01:13:45.920 tradition carries on the patronymic system to this day. All of this stuff, Iceland has

01:13:55.460 such a history of wanting to celebrate their cultural past that even not in a religious

01:14:03.380 context, the idea of preserving some of this stuff is incentivized there in a very different

01:14:11.220 way than we've seen in other nations. There was a time where every Germanic country was

01:14:18.640 also true. There was a time where every place in Europe was also true in the broadest sense

01:14:25.220 of the word, but certainly all of the Germanic countries were. But you see it so richly preserved

01:14:32.260 in Iceland because of some of these things. So it's really easy to see the glass is half empty,

01:14:37.940 but we are really fortunate that the glass is half full. I've said before, we could

01:14:44.620 practice Ausatru in a vacuum. I mean, assuming that the vacuum included us and our gods,

01:14:53.740 but it would look really different. We'd be at a disadvantage and we would lose so much

01:14:59.060 the beautiful things that our ancestors laid down for us so we're we're very fortunate as much as

01:15:08.180 it's easy to bemoan the things we don't have we're extremely fortunate with things that we do have

01:15:17.060 well and when we see these two next mentioned uh there is again the kind of overall lesson

01:15:23.860 connected to them um united were small food and scarf heathen uh neither might without the other

01:15:39.700 be until to frenzy they were driven for a woman so two men friends and then a woman drives between 0.99

01:15:49.860 She was destined for their perdition 1.00

01:15:53.780 On account of that fair maid 1.00

01:15:57.560 Neither of them cared for gains or joyous days

01:16:01.260 No other thing could they in memory bear

01:16:05.500 Than that bright form

01:16:07.400 The bright form of her

01:16:10.160 Sad to them were the gloomy nights

01:16:13.720 No sweet sleep might they enjoy

01:16:16.940 but from that anguish rose hate intense between faithful friends hostile deeds are in most places

01:16:29.640 fiercely avenged to the home they went for that fair woman and each one found his death

01:16:39.700 arrogance should should no one entertain it i indeed have seen that those who follow her

01:16:48.600 for the most part turn from god so first off yeah the two friends and there's a woman

01:16:57.280 in between them that's pretty fast to say um but the the biggest part is home uh again

01:17:06.240 And some of you might be familiar with it, with Holm Ganga, or Holm Ganga, the dueling system of our ancestors at this time, where hazel rods would be placed over a stitched skin so there was no place for them to go.

01:17:27.040 And if they left it, it was defeat and disgrace. So many adids are committed against each other to the point where a duel is made. And then, you know, this kind of arrogance, which again, the words that are used in the Old Norse are very interesting. 0.99

01:17:47.980 Now I'm like, kind of like bookmarking things in my, uh, in my book. Um, and then there's another interesting point too, is the usage of the word Filchia, uh, where it says, um, I have seen that those who follow her, um, for the most part turn from God. 0.57

01:18:11.860 and the following part of course filca you utilized and it's it's more common sense the

01:18:18.340 following of something um and that is why that soul part is named such as it follows um but again

01:18:28.420 it's just more or less restating kind of common things i think these things were not seen as good

01:18:39.780 amongst our ancestors pre-christianity um depending on what was done uh you know that

01:18:50.740 the anguish rose hate intense between faithful friends because of hostile deeds certain deeds

01:19:00.020 bring about these things but i think ultimately what the christian is trying to say is lust lust

01:19:08.180 for a woman um against a friend but again i don't think it's well for us to look at it as

01:19:17.140 our ancestors saw that as okay um so this might be redundant in the moral spectrum um

01:19:28.740 so what's not redundant is celebrating our folks that donate on victory never sleeps

01:19:34.820 alzzy coleman miller the fourth bought us three coffees hail odin hail victory

01:19:42.520 hail victory um and we appreciate that a lot also thank you uh

01:19:50.500 jared in virginia donated eighty dollars to njortz off thank you jared we appreciate that

01:19:58.660 and russ in georgia donated a hundred dollars to njortz off thank you so much rush

01:20:03.720 but russ we appreciate it and uh your other appreciates as well and i'm sure

01:20:11.000 uh yeah thank you guys appreciate you guys being generous

01:20:15.080 yeah and a lot of uh folks who have given numerous times and new folks giving as well

01:20:23.480 um again the poem switches to other people so now you can kind of see how this poem is written

01:20:35.480 it's snapshots of moral um i guess paradigms um and uniquely it comes from a christian

01:20:48.680 who is of a people who were who still are in certain places um also through and uh or that

01:21:00.200 the culture is like in this flux state that that middle point um so that's what really makes this

01:21:08.120 poem interesting so 16. rich were both raudny and veybowy and thought only of their well-being

01:21:23.480 now they sit and turn their sores to various hearths they in themselves confided and thought

01:21:34.200 themselves alone to be above all people but their lot almighty god was pleased otherwise to a point

01:21:44.360 a life of luxury they led in many ways and had gold for sport now they are acquitted

01:21:52.040 so that they must walk between frost and fire

01:21:58.280 so one of the things that i've heard about this just the description of this is that

01:22:04.200 it's been interpreted as to be kind of like a dante's inferno in which um perhaps the the father

01:22:14.120 is speaking of people he has seen uh in the afterlife you know suffering according to the

01:22:23.720 christian worldview um but ultimately too this this part here is speaking of exactly what i was

01:22:33.480 was talking about is um the feigning of wealth and the idea that wealth is bad you can't take

01:22:44.520 it with you god doesn't you know what is what's the term um mammon will not get you into heaven

01:22:54.040 um and mammon is gold or i can't remember the translation but um yeah this whole you know

01:23:03.240 money means nothing in the end your covenant with yahweh is the only thing that matters

01:23:09.160 and your money your riches um doing well for yourself will get you no uh better spot um

01:23:22.120 and you see this again and again i i used to joke and say that like i would write soul

01:23:29.000 s-o-u-l socialism socialism because it does kind of have this concept of keeping the mindset

01:23:39.400 in a certain way do they apply that certainly not i i think that there are many rich christians who

01:23:45.800 again kind of work their way around this um kind of like actors to their political religion

01:23:52.920 they end up you know uh paying alms in a way that they can feel forgiven for being so blessed or

01:24:03.520 being so um what's the word um uh not fortunate but where the yeah they have privilege they have

01:24:14.360 such a privilege so they end up having to you know pay up in order to absolve their privilege

01:24:20.920 um and in this way it's already here even in this time frame in the uh you know the year like 1200

01:24:29.760 um so I just I find that kind of funny as well um so 19 to thy enemies trust thou never although

01:24:41.980 they speak thee fair promise them good tis good to have another's injury as a warning

01:24:49.840 That's the Havamal

01:24:52.160 That's where you start to see

01:24:54.480 There's this connection

01:24:56.160 And the poet

01:24:57.240 Clearly inserts this

01:25:00.900 And again

01:25:03.220 That's again the poetic

01:25:04.480 Mechanics of this situation

01:25:07.320 Is the reason why

01:25:08.860 Simon did wrote this down

01:25:10.620 So

01:25:12.760 19

01:25:14.440 To thy enemies trust thou never

01:25:16.460 Although they speak be fair

01:25:18.140 Promise them good

01:25:19.200 tis good to have another's injury as a warning that part there at the end is not part of the

01:25:25.400 but it's basically speaking of um you know if you take the slight of something you've done

01:25:32.920 if you note it then you know where their boundaries are where their their ego is hurt

01:25:40.400 or what have you but again um if your enemy speaks ill you can speak ill they set the the pace

01:25:51.680 of your your situation together um but that's pulled directly from the album

01:25:59.240 um and then it switches back 20. so it befell sorely the upright when he placed himself in

01:26:12.320 vehicle's power he confidently trusted him his brother's murderer but he proved false

01:26:20.420 now i think this one's kind of interesting because it's so

01:26:24.140 um specific that this may be connected to maybe a localized poem or powerful people um

01:26:36.240 but again the emphasis is is that you should not make friends with people who are clearly your

01:26:45.560 enemy your brother slayer should not be your friend the person who speaks against your

01:26:53.600 kinsmen should not be your friend you should not seek middle ground to be the adjudicator

01:27:01.280 of peace when someone has clearly you know started throwing insults or or has you know broken oaths 0.99

01:27:12.560 because of perceived wrongs you being the middle ground person doesn't make you

01:27:17.760 wise or cool or good um and this one is just so blatantly obvious that i'm wondering if this is

01:27:26.960 like connected to another poem um or the other thing you could think of is the way things start

01:27:36.800 is often the way things end if you know you meet a woman who leaves her husband to be with you

01:27:43.700 and you're like it's going to be this way for forever and then a couple years from now she

01:27:49.420 leaves you there's no surprise you know if a man steals from his parents and he's your friend

01:27:58.760 and then one day he has the chance to steal from you he's probably going to do it so 0.74

01:28:06.460 So I think this doesn't necessarily differentiate from Christian or Ausatru.

01:28:15.840 It's just laid in there for poetic measure and purpose.

01:28:26.460 21.

01:28:29.020 Peace to them he granted with heart sincere.

01:28:32.800 They in return promised him gold.

01:28:36.460 feigned themselves friends while they together drank but then came forth their guile then

01:28:45.020 afterwards on the second day when they in re let me see the old norse in rigyardal in rigyardal

01:28:57.500 rode they with swords wounded him who sackless was and let his life go forth so this is a robbery

01:29:09.980 the the part sackless is to be without um you know provisions or backpack or any sort of

01:29:18.140 you know wealth um so they got to know him drank with him made friends with him found out perhaps

01:29:28.700 where he was going then rode after him robbed him and he really had nothing um

01:29:39.180 His corpse they dragged on a lonely way and cut up piecemeal into a well.

01:29:50.780 And would it hide, but the Holy Lord beheld from heaven.

01:29:57.460 His soul summoned home the true God into his joy to come.

01:30:04.040 But the evildoers will, I wean, late be from torments called.

01:30:11.580 So the one that was robbed will be saved by the Christian God.

01:30:24.240 Because he beholds from heaven, which this isn't a concept that's foreign.

01:30:29.740 I mean, we clearly speak of this with Lord Heimdallet.

01:30:34.040 and how he sees from heaven and has one foot in the middle world

01:30:40.120 and one foot in the upper world, and that he takes note immediately.

01:30:45.180 And that, of course, too, there are other machinations of the gods

01:30:48.920 in order to collect the information flowing through the middle world.

01:30:53.780 And ultimately, Lord Odin drinks from the well of memory,

01:30:58.000 so everything that happens will flow there.

01:31:01.500 Um, but I think it's more interesting to say that the soul of the evildoers, um, have an opportunity to save themselves, but the poet thinks most likely they won't.

01:31:20.340 So that again, brings in the whole of, um, forgiveness, even for evil deeds.

01:31:28.400 Uh, and you see this nowadays so often with parents who have their children slain or, um, uh, you'll see it with, you know, absolute, just monstrous, um, murderers.

01:31:45.300 And then they, you know, spend some time in jail or they're on death row and they say, oh, well, you know, I'm forgiven. I've accepted the rabbi Joshua into my heart and I am, I'm going to make it.

01:32:03.460 um so you kind of already see that being and then immediately it shifts over into this second

01:32:14.020 part it makes mention of the dc and i think that's really important because the dc

01:32:23.060 for a lot of folks coming into alsatru when they come from a heavy sense of kind of worshiping and

01:32:30.580 placating yahweh um and loving you know the human connection with rabbi joshua um they get

01:32:41.860 they get like kind of a the the good feeling of relating to a human being that suffered

01:32:49.380 and at the same time they they must placate the um you know the mountain guy um

01:32:56.900 And the de-seer, I think, were one of those things that survived well into Christianity because of their connection to our ancestral lines, the idea of ancestral blood and spirits of our past, the assigned guardians of the bloodlines.

01:33:21.420 I wonder, actually reading this makes me want to look up when exactly kind of the, I don't know, the Christian kind of refuting that even gaining, you know, message or guidance from the dead was immediately, you know, demonized or

01:33:51.420 condemned because it doesn't seem to be the case initially uh during these conversion times

01:33:59.920 i mean it was condemned back in jewish times though that was one of the things in like

01:34:06.840 necromancy yeah like the the witch of indoor i think did that in the in the old testament

01:34:14.560 i wonder was there a difference between receiving guidance from your ancestors versus

01:34:20.940 you know conjuring up to speak to the dead like willful versus non-willful i'm not saying i know

01:34:32.960 i'm just wondering if there's basically i mean there's like the i forget what it's called there's

01:34:39.020 like the transmutation where it's like jesus is talking to dead prophets or whatever in that one

01:34:48.060 passage other than that the idea of the overlay of like life after death isn't really a biblical

01:35:01.820 thing it's after the resurrection then the resurrected people at that point get to exist

01:35:12.620 but there's like this stasis and any kind of interaction with ancestors and any ancestral cult

01:35:20.860 is super forbidden um and i think that's a common thing amongst any kind of

01:35:30.940 indigenous religion is that unbroken celebration and interaction and worship of ancestors and heroes

01:35:39.180 and that's part of the revolutionary aspect of um abrahamic religion is the the cutting off

01:35:49.320 and the separation of that again in europe we've overlaid pagan aussitrew concepts over it so you

01:35:58.900 have this like the good dead people are in heaven and you can interact with them the bad ones are

01:36:04.840 hell and you can't or whatever but that's not it's not how it's laid out in the bible

01:36:14.680 uh what was the term that you said there was something about buying a sword and everybody

01:36:20.200 thinks it's such a based quote but it's talking about what you're talking about the um

01:36:25.560 um like go not and buy a sword and then it but then it speaks about severing your ties with

01:36:35.880 your father and your mother and your brothers I didn't you know what's it uh it said to bring

01:36:45.000 peace but I say no I came not to bring peace but a sword to separate and then a various like

01:36:55.560 familiar different family relations i'm here to never bring that part up

01:37:00.760 um and i think that's part of it it's like you don't draw strength from the dead

01:37:07.080 you don't draw strength from it's just you slog through you give everything that you have

01:37:14.680 completely prostrate to jehovah and then by that devotion he'll like grant you cool stuff

01:37:27.120 in the afterlife but even that the cool stuff's pretty lame in revelation the cool stuff is

01:37:33.200 you get the amazing afterlife of you get a crown but then you're supposed to immediately give the

01:37:40.140 crown back and put it at the feet of god and i think you have a never-ending concert of singing

01:37:48.760 about like you sing like christian rock around the throne of jehovah for eternity and you're just

01:37:56.980 like jamming out with like david koresh and whoever else you guys are just like rocking out there

01:38:03.380 with jesus songs for eternity

01:38:05.680 yeah i didn't i didn't make it up that's not my thing

01:38:12.700 well and i always find it very convenient that they don't add that last part in

01:38:18.140 you know yeah the sword isn't like to slay evil or to slay your enemies the sword is to like

01:38:25.940 the verses are in the chat members oh in the private chat aha okay what is

01:38:35.780 And what is this so people can find it?

01:38:39.860 I see the reference, but I don't see the book.

01:38:43.340 Matthew.

01:38:44.120 Matthew 10.

01:38:45.960 Matthew 10, 34.

01:38:48.280 Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth.

01:38:50.800 I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

01:38:53.440 For I have come to set a man against his father, 0.80

01:38:56.060 a daughter against her mother,

01:38:57.420 and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 0.53

01:38:59.980 And a man's enemies will be those of his own household.

01:39:04.900 so so if you ever see those based cruce internet crusaders throwing that around

01:39:11.700 tell them to finish the rest of the verse

01:39:13.960 okay

01:39:19.620 um so this part here again mentions the dc do thou pray the dc of the lord's word

01:39:32.580 to be kind to thee in spirit

01:39:36.700 for a week after

01:39:38.800 all shall then go happily according to thy will.

01:39:46.240 For a deed of ire that thou hast perpetrated

01:39:51.660 never atone with evil

01:39:54.020 the weeping thou shalt sooth with benefits

01:39:58.940 That is salutary to the soul. So a couple of things with that one is perhaps the word desir is being implanted in.

01:40:12.440 As Asiragothi said, there was a transference. The angels of Christianity really come from Greece, Rome, and Etruscan in their religious concepts of the prayers.

01:40:32.820 prayers taking form and going to the gods as winged um beings is consistent throughout all

01:40:43.900 three of those and so that became the very same thing in the mindset after christianity instead

01:40:53.300 of um i heard you you mentioned the monster manual and the beholders um which was that's awesome um

01:41:04.240 uh of these kind of ancient abrahamic um angels and their and their their hierarchy is insane um

01:41:17.060 they uh perhaps are again linking the idea of these angels being more feminine i think

01:41:26.400 it's interesting because now i think a lot of christians are making them a draw androgynous

01:41:32.320 but it was clearly feminine especially when you look at the artwork of um early christianity

01:41:41.200 The angels had a tendency to be women, except for key angels like Mikael or I believe it's Azazel or Ariel.

01:41:54.540 I can't quite remember.

01:41:56.280 There was one angel that early Christians prayed to, an angel of death. 0.99

01:42:03.200 Again, emphasizing that I believe Christianity is a death cult, but that emphasizes it greatly. 0.83

01:42:10.300 They used to have paintings and prayers to the angel of death to have a merciful death instead of, you know, violent or tragic. 0.60

01:42:25.340 So I wonder if that part is just being added because he says,

01:42:32.060 dsir of the lord and another point here to consider in in the old norse it says uh dsir

01:42:42.860 bid du ver drothins so dsir do you bid or bid you from the war leader drothen

01:42:58.860 drayton in anglo-saxon is is the war leader the lord kind of became synonymous with it

01:43:06.940 um but the actual origin of the word meaning uh like a general or um you know uh lord odin

01:43:16.700 is referred to as the the drayton of the host or the the drayton of the army so i thought that was

01:43:26.460 very interesting so this clearly seems to be an implant um and i i think they're referring to

01:43:34.300 angels so do you pr do you pray to the angels of the lord uh with words to be kind to thee in spirit

01:43:45.820 for a week after all shall then go happily according to thy will

01:43:50.060 um because a deed of ire of wrong that thou hast perpetrated never atone with evil

01:44:05.100 uh the weeping thou thou shalt soothe and that's not soothe as in like calm but sooth

01:44:13.340 as in like soothsaying or speaking the truth um you know uh so the weeping thou shalt say

01:44:26.300 with benefits that is salutary to the soul so in this part it's kind of like in the runatal

01:44:34.620 when he's saying you know do you know how to sacrifice them do you know how to speak them

01:44:39.740 do you know how to um give or give to them and speaking of the runes in this case it's kind of

01:44:46.620 like are you confessing your sins to the de-seer of the lord you know because if you do that that

01:44:57.740 will soothe if you speak your sorry not sooth but if you speak your prayers with sooth uh then

01:45:06.140 benefits will help your soul um uh 27 on god no cap um a man shall have much riz

01:45:24.140 no i'm sorry just every time i see it it makes me think and it i like to throw that stuff in

01:45:31.740 every now and then to make sure people are paying attention um 27 on god a man shall for good things

01:45:39.820 call on him who has mankind created greatly sinful is every man who late finds the father so

01:45:51.660 So again, the emphasis on sin, the idea that, and this is another reason going back to the

01:46:01.820 Marseillanites, if you get rid of the Old Testament, you lose the power of sin, not 0.81

01:46:08.880 only the Messiah, but the sin factor that's created in the beginning when Yahweh bestows 0.86

01:46:19.200 that sin upon adamu and ava um once that's established all mankind is bereft with sin

01:46:30.960 um and they must atone and the only way they can atone is through worship of yahweh and then

01:46:38.480 and worship of the messiah um and here again reiterating that everyone who comes to um

01:46:51.360 yahweh late in life is full of sin and they just need to get rid of it

01:46:57.600 um i just i can you know really kind of is dripping with that

01:47:03.760 sense i think ultimately because sin equates to guilt the idea that you are guilty upon birth

01:47:16.560 is once one concept but the other is is that people feel guilt for doing things sometimes

01:47:25.440 they feel guilt for doing things that really aren't that bad um they it's it's finding that

01:47:34.080 linchpin in order to um alleviate oh you feel bad about something you feel bad for doing wrong

01:47:43.680 or maybe you actually really did wrong either way doesn't matter if you do this you'll be forgiven

01:47:50.960 and you can feel better about yourself so that's a a great um kind of uh you know tagline or um

01:48:02.560 selling point if you will because everyone has some sense or level of guilt about something

01:48:10.960 whether it's like perhaps they didn't do it quite the right way or they did something that

01:48:17.120 they perceived to be wrong but no one else did or they actually did something wrong um and

01:48:26.400 you know brought dishonor or where it was unseemly but that's okay whichever way it is

01:48:33.760 you just follow these simple steps and you're alleviated of that

01:48:39.200 um 28 to be solicited we opine is with all earnestness for for that which is lacking

01:48:55.200 of all things may be destitute he who for nothing asks few heed the wants of the silent

01:49:06.000 this is again from the halvamal and in the halvamal the translation is more or less i've never met a

01:49:12.880 man so rich that he would not accept a gift and i never met a man so poor that he would not ask

01:49:20.320 for what he rightly deserved so in this case here

01:49:27.120 is you know that um you know if you don't ask for things that you rightly deserve

01:49:35.120 um you will never gain it few heed you know the wants of the silent and i wonder too if this is

01:49:41.520 kind of um pushing towards a an idea that um you know if you fix yourself and are alleviated of

01:49:54.800 all of these sins then you should then cry out and make sure that other people are doing it kind of

01:50:01.520 spreading the

01:50:04.120 philosophy.

01:50:07.660 You know, I want to throw

01:50:08.400 this out there too.

01:50:10.120 Just as kind of a random word of wisdom

01:50:12.480 for everybody out there.

01:50:15.080 You don't get what you don't

01:50:16.420 ask for.

01:50:18.620 Just to touch on the have them all

01:50:20.260 wisdom of that. You don't get

01:50:22.420 what you don't ask for.

01:50:24.420 You lose every game you don't play.

01:50:29.280 I think that

01:50:30.600 that's one of the things that I would

01:50:33.520 okay so this is a thing that was asked last program that I'm amending or looking back to

01:50:44.880 a question was asked about man do you have any regrets or what would you do differently

01:50:51.440 if I could go back and tell my younger self just reinforce that you know you miss all the shots

01:50:59.940 you don't take and you don't get what you don't ask for, I think that a lot of our people

01:51:06.240 would be very well served to try more stuff before they convince themselves in their own

01:51:16.180 intellectualism that it's unlikely to help. And so they don't try to do anything. There's

01:51:23.600 a lot of people bemoaning their lack of a girlfriend while they sit on grandma's couch 1.00

01:51:28.900 and play video games all day hot chicks are not walking through grandma's basement and if they 1.00

01:51:35.460 are they're probably related to you and probably are someone you should pursue so that said you 1.00

01:51:41.420 know you got to be out there you got to be in the game you got to be making those efforts

01:51:46.840 to get those achievements and it's one of the

01:51:51.580 interesting things that still shines through the idea of

01:52:00.780 you got you got to be an active participant so you miss all the shots you don't take

01:52:06.620 do while you have the opportunity to do and it's funny the juxtaposition because in the true

01:52:14.360 christian sense like no you shouldn't do anything and you should sit around and wait

01:52:20.620 And then eventually in heaven or after the resurrection or whatever, then you'll get your, like, you'll line up in the bread line.

01:52:29.740 You'll get whatever you're portioning out of Commissar Jesus's, like, portion he has for you.

01:52:40.500 That seems random, but it just kind of struck me because, specifically because of that question last week.

01:52:45.920 Carry on.

01:52:46.360 well actually while we're in a point of divergence here we have some questions

01:52:53.140 stacking up let's get to them because we're reading a lot of jesus stuff tonight so it's

01:52:57.280 cool to like break things up this the the narrative is not as compelling as the little

01:53:01.900 nuggets so to go back to kind of the top of some stuff i was going to use the restroom

01:53:07.800 real quick while you start addressing the uh okay cool questions

01:53:11.860 so whilst fawn is on a potty break the winter ghost asks greetings to both of you

01:53:24.960 as true as an arian folk religion what books or videos are recommended to learn about

01:53:30.000 better about arian slash hyperboreans like the origins panarian differences thanks in advance

01:53:36.720 um i will try to figure out a better answer than this because there's one that strikes me and i

01:53:46.880 can't think of the name of it right now that's kind of a more scholarly work on it but it's

01:53:50.520 very hard to come by there is a book and you have to not care about this guy's politics that come

01:53:59.920 into the introduction but a book called deep ancestors and i call the book the wheel and the

01:54:09.700 donkey because there's like a wheel on the cover of it and a i think uh like an ancestor of the

01:54:19.380 modern horse but it looks like wheel and a donkey and it entertains me so it's that's what it's

01:54:23.640 titled in my head. It's called Deep Ancestors. The guy's name, I don't think it's his real

01:54:29.980 name, but his nom de plume is, it's like an Anglo-Saxon name. I could think of it. Nick

01:54:40.400 could probably, there we go. Look at him on cue. I didn't get it out of my mouth before

01:54:44.780 he had it on a screen. So his name and I, my pronunciation is not right.

01:54:50.400 uh anyways c-e-i-s-i-w-r first name last name s-e-r-i-t-h uh but the book is a really good

01:55:04.640 book um i really enjoyed it i got a lot out of it i think that there it's it's it's ground that's

01:55:14.180 been trod a number of different ways by different folks and if i can think of or find the bit more

01:55:21.980 scholarly treatment of it that i had that i want to really look into i will tell you that

01:55:28.340 um so the the subtext is deep ancestors practicing the religion of the proto-indo-europeans

01:55:37.660 anyways i think it is good i think it has a lot of value i really got a lot out of it when i read 0.99

01:55:43.960 it the again the guys politics are odd now this so get it out of your head stupid racist people 0.98

01:55:53.400 indo-europeans that's not a race that's a language but it's a really specific 0.99

01:55:59.560 language of a really specific group of people in a really specific area that are all related

01:56:05.880 to each other but that's not a race it's it's there's a lot of nonsense in the introduction

01:56:12.200 but the rest of the book is really good it's i would advise anybody to read it it's not a hard

01:56:16.280 read it's not huge uh svan is muted oh i was gonna say he you know completely ignoring that they made

01:56:24.840 caste systems to separate themselves from the people they conquered but you know he paints it

01:56:31.400 as like they're just traveling along and picking up no they're not racially aware they just only

01:56:39.080 mate with people that look like them that have common ancestors that they know

01:56:44.120 homeboys you know second cousins but that that doesn't count um do you have any suggestions

01:56:51.880 on things that folks might read that talk a little bit more about the ancient arians

01:56:57.800 slash hyperboreans and um the origins of or pan-arian differences and before i stop

01:57:05.400 the other thing that i think is useful but this one is a hard read it's a slog

01:57:12.280 and it repeats itself but um arctic homeland in the bettas uh by ball tillak is a good book it's

01:57:23.400 it talks about this subject in a good way from an indian perspective because

01:57:29.000 you can do that a little bit more freely in that context and he points out all the things in the

01:57:37.320 very ancient um indian texts that point to a hyperborean arctic homeland for being the source

01:57:45.080 of of that root culture and that's really interesting i think there's a lot to be

01:57:50.520 gotten out of it but it is not the greatest read not the easiest read i'm going to assume it was

01:57:56.840 originally in sanskrit or something else and maybe that's translation i don't know if that's

01:58:01.320 the case but it's worth it's worth doing um and i would i would suggest those two spawn do you have

01:58:09.720 any additional ones yeah i was just double checking to make sure that because the author

01:58:14.840 um the scythians nomad warriors of the steppe was a pretty interesting

01:58:21.000 uh book by barry kunliff or kunliffa um and i think it's interesting to look at the scythians

01:58:33.400 one the reason why it was drawn to my attention was actually because of a christian identity guy

01:58:43.040 trying to say that the true christians um were uh driven into scythia and that um you know that that

01:58:54.240 there were arian tribes in the middle east but they were eventually chased out by semitic peoples

01:59:00.800 and they ran into scythia which started me down a rabbit hole of studying what little knowledge we

01:59:06.960 have about their religious practices and that was a really interesting book the other one and i'm

01:59:14.960 double checking on that one as well is um

01:59:22.320 the it's coming up here

01:59:31.200 while you're looking i'll just say artichoke was written originally in english it was just

01:59:35.360 written in 1903 by an indian speaking english sorry ball i tried um

01:59:47.840 that thing is is i think this is the wrong author which means it's the wrong book but

01:59:52.640 the serpent and the eagle

01:59:57.200 is that uh or am i saying this wrong i read it a while back repeat i know that talking about

02:00:05.360 which one the what repeat what you called it the serpent and the eagle yeah i'll find it um

02:00:12.800 i will say one just because somebody on twitter just posted it the horse the wheel and the

02:00:17.520 language how bronze age riders from the eurasian step shape the modern world is the driest most

02:00:23.240 you'll read a thousand pages on pot on different things in pottery but it has so many tidbits

02:00:29.720 in it that's amazing uh about well the horse the wheel of language and how they came over

02:00:37.480 yeah i'm trying yeah because there's one book about this the mexican revolution

02:00:48.160 serpent eagle um witten young they just did a book study on this like two months ago

02:00:57.720 yeah is it a study of the migration period by uh witcower they did a book study at their house

02:01:06.920 in carolina november yeah the eagle and or i think it's just eagle and serpent not the eagle

02:01:17.560 um a study on migration period symbols because i saw today too somebody had posted like

02:01:26.920 something about how you know i think it's really great that our ancestors really focused in on

02:01:33.720 this bird or you know one specific bird um and they were referring to the raven and i was like

02:01:42.440 what about the uh the eagle i mean especially in in context with the with the gutens um

02:01:51.320 are we talking the serpent and the eagle an introduction to the elder runic tradition by

02:01:55.160 chris travers no i believe it's the migration period um study of symbols pre-christian symbols

02:02:08.680 but it speaks of um the the time in which like the gothic empire was starting or gothic tribe

02:02:18.440 was building up um and their usage of symbols um in relation you know to their connectivities um

02:02:30.040 with the gods and with each other and i i find that you know super interesting because like

02:02:36.600 pre-migration or migration period and pre-migration period is a very interesting

02:02:42.200 time to look at ousted through which i believe it was um 100 um but it was in a it was in a different

02:02:53.960 age um again you know like uh speaking of the gods and worshiping the gods in

02:03:06.520 uh like a lot of folks just i don't know they focus on maybe a fantastical or completely

02:03:16.360 fabricated version of norse life and they think shoulder pelts and you know black face paint and

02:03:26.500 um you know all of this kind of crazy stuff that they see

02:03:32.200 and then they get into Ausatru and they feel like that's what they want to you know replay all of

02:03:39.980 that um but not understanding that Ausatru is far longer in our history and that um each age has its

02:03:50.260 own unique way and I mean that wasn't it was really fabricated for entertainment value but

02:03:59.240 that our ancestors um you know traversed through different burial practices you know starting with

02:04:09.260 burying then going to burning then going back to burying and then doing both um and also how we saw

02:04:17.540 the gods in which ways that we kind of produced their imagery through animal or through human or

02:04:27.000 even through just sacred places um and you know as we move into this modern day they don't see

02:04:35.560 themselves as being a part of the age that is now the escapism to go back and the excuse to just be

02:04:45.700 able to swill mead and um grow a mohawk mullet or something i don't know um is overriding the

02:04:55.200 The true fact that our ancestors believed and were willing to die for the gods, I think, is lost on a lot of folks.

02:05:08.560 But you can see it repeatedly through these ages, even before the Viking Age.

02:05:13.820 all right so um our next thing is from sarah and she says good evening i was here you go

02:05:26.580 at the end witness fawn uh january 18th is the day of remembrance for king bloatswain

02:05:33.540 uh how do you each plan to honor him it's a good question this is his first um day of remembrance

02:05:43.200 so I mean I'd like to certainly do something at my altar but it's gonna come on I want to

02:05:51.840 check to make sure I'm not wrong here it's Saturday so I will be at the Hoff I want to

02:05:59.280 talk to folks about him at the Hoff and celebrate him in Odin's Hoff and speak his name there in a

02:06:11.220 holy way um mention him in our meal blessing there and hopefully get some people that are

02:06:19.620 not familiar with him to learn a bit more about him um so that's what I plan to do it's fine what

02:06:26.520 about you I um generally always do the same um formulaic way of of maintaining obligation in

02:06:40.020 sense that i am weighted with um thousands and thousands of years of my ancestors so like

02:06:48.380 rekindling that is an obligation and i i do it in the same way so i would you know i'm doing it

02:06:57.240 via harrow um you know i will light a candle i will ring a bell i will blow the horn and i will

02:07:04.780 call out his name and then gift to him uh through the laut bowl um sacred mead a gift from my side

02:07:17.820 to his side and then um you know speak of his deeds i i think that it's really interesting

02:07:25.020 just his his deeds um and like like what i do i guess what does that mean if you physically

02:07:32.780 see that if you were standing in the room um i talk to him as a a real person and i say like i

02:07:48.300 can't believe you know you uh your brother had stones thrown at him by fellow ousted through

02:07:56.060 at the time and that you ended up taking power from him um because you refuse to let go of the

02:08:04.780 ancient traditions of your people um and i think that that's amazing and i want to have that

02:08:15.820 conviction so i verbally talk um after giving gift and seeing that the gift is kind of like an

02:08:25.100 opening point to being, being able to express ideas or emotions or inclinations about what

02:08:33.100 I've learned. Um, and that generally I just say, you know, for that, I thank you. And,

02:08:39.520 you know, I, I hope that many Ausitruer, um, speak your name and give you gifts on this day.

02:08:46.520 and then I, you know, blow a single horn and I give the gift out. And so I try to do it very

02:08:56.580 simply. And I've always come of the mindset that if you do things repetitively, it builds power.

02:09:04.740 It's kind of like the next ring on a tree. And every time you do it, the tree gets bigger and

02:09:11.060 bigger and stronger so that's how i i honor um my ancestors the gods and heroes

02:09:24.660 all right um

02:09:30.340 okay so heathen man finished up a yo saga part four the other night and had a question

02:09:36.580 came to me during the poem of lament to his lost beloved son his first he first curses ron and

02:09:44.660 then declares he'd kill ayer uh if it was within his power to do so he then ends by saying that it

02:09:52.580 was odin who broke trough with him my question i guess is not about the specific instance

02:09:59.540 but more about general jurisdiction of the gods and the tangential powers around them

02:10:05.060 If one of the lesser powers decided they are taking down a ship, is it in the purview of Odin or another of the Isir to stay them?

02:10:16.660 or of, for example, a man's devotee, Odin's man,

02:10:22.320 a man is a devotee, Odin's man, but is a fisherman

02:10:26.860 and knowingly pollutes or overfishes an area

02:10:30.020 and Njordr or Ayr decides specifically,

02:10:34.620 I'm taking this guy down.

02:10:36.520 Would Odin be within his right to step in?

02:10:39.940 I may be thinking too literal about it,

02:10:42.320 but just a general thought on the jurisdiction of the gods and goddesses if you could thanks

02:10:49.360 swan what are your thoughts so one thing um i'm glad that you acknowledge that like perhaps

02:10:56.880 you're thinking too literally about this um because it shows a sense of reflection um again

02:11:05.440 me and i was here ago they have heard people uh postulate very strange questions but then

02:11:12.880 the worst part is is that they admit that they actually like fully believe it um the protein

02:11:19.200 intake of of lord thor or what have you and it's um it's it's wild but what you're ultimately

02:11:26.800 talking about is the regency of the iser and the gods and i think it's always worth noting that

02:11:38.560 from lore and it's worth remembering that the gods are gods and they can do godly things and i do not

02:11:47.920 know the entirety and the scope of what those godly things are but if we if we look at the lore

02:11:55.120 and we look at kind of what the stories that have been passed down to us by our ancestors says

02:12:01.800 there is one thing that's worth noting is when the gods gather to meet meet out or to measure

02:12:11.140 out the doom or the judgment of men they gather in heaven at the third root of Yggdrasil and there

02:12:20.240 is a there is a well there and the nornir are there so time the source of all time is flowing out

02:12:29.200 um from there and they are in essence enacting their will into the very fabric of existence

02:12:39.120 and i think that in essence they're all there um combined with this so an understanding of

02:12:51.160 what's happening is an understanding across the board uh if lord othen wanted to step in for any

02:12:57.780 reason i'm you know we've seen even bits of lore where that is spoken um but the view that i take

02:13:08.200 personally of the gods is that through that well this symbolic language of mythos is that

02:13:14.960 they gather there to witness us as we live and to meet out judgments in certain ways i do not

02:13:22.980 think that they're directly responsible for uh perhaps you know like just death in general

02:13:30.040 um because all things must die so it's it's coming eventually um but their interaction is

02:13:39.900 kind of like them pressing their finger on the the skein of the well i mean that's why our

02:13:47.760 pouring mead into the bowl is so important it or speaking over the horn and into the mead is that

02:13:58.060 that top surface of the liquid is this kind of transitional point and by them making these ripples

02:14:07.180 they're in essence inserting their will upon um the manifestation of of time and fate and um

02:14:18.220 they would see that um and interact with that um

02:14:23.340 Um, outside of them, I don't know, with Ayr. Ayr is, of course, the Jotun of the primordial sea, and the gods go and connect with Ayr, in essence, placing their regency and dominion upon the most primordial thing that is on Ymir's body, which is the ocean.

02:14:51.340 Uh, I think the animals reflect that with, um, the animals that are even older than some trees, um, on the surface. So they consistently go there and, um, work that, but Ayur was not prayed to for benefit. He was prayed to for appeasement.

02:15:13.160 And so I wonder, I mean, if that is to happen, perhaps they already see the outcome or the folding layers of all threads meet.

02:15:26.820 Um, but I don't think that it is a matter of, um, kind of a popularity or, um, a voting. It's this, again, this culmination of action that the gods are involved in, um, to where as this giant rope of all things interacting is being wound, um, there are effects and, and what have you.

02:15:54.920 And, you know, the gods, I think, see the whole of that rope, whereas we are only thinking of these tiny, minute sections.

02:16:05.840 And I think in that we get lost and think that the, you know, the gods are going to just step in in a regular sense.

02:16:15.300 And I don't know if that's the case.

02:16:17.100 um yeah so while we're are you being too literal yes i think so but i think it's

02:16:28.140 it's honest and i think it's the kind of thing we all think about and i'm glad that you

02:16:33.900 that you mentioned it out loud um

02:16:36.380 i don't think it works like that all the time i suppose it could um

02:16:45.600 first

02:16:49.360 I don't

02:16:51.600 it's not appropriate for me

02:16:57.540 to suggest limitation

02:16:59.820 of the powers of gods

02:17:01.700 if

02:17:03.240 you're there 1.00

02:17:07.760 wanted to kill a dude 0.99

02:17:09.760 that he thought was doing 1.00

02:17:11.640 something worthy of him killing 0.99

02:17:13.740 him sure 1.00

02:17:15.540 if

02:17:16.840 Odin wanted to

02:17:19.680 stop him from doing that

02:17:21.900 sure

02:17:24.200 the gods are powerful

02:17:26.040 in their

02:17:26.940 relationship between one another

02:17:30.100 and between mortals

02:17:32.640 facets of it are shown

02:17:36.540 to us in lore and in our

02:17:38.520 lives but it's much

02:17:40.060 more complex

02:17:42.400 and a bigger deal than that

02:17:44.700 I mean, we see our gods taking sides in battles between mortals on really rare occasions, specifically in the Norse material.

02:18:01.820 I think we see, you know, Odin and Frigg doing that about the Langevardi, but that's not a common motif and a common thing, the idea that they are unified.

02:18:17.500 And then also the idea that the other gods treat the All-Father with deference lends me to think that the Isir specifically wouldn't, you know, try to battle him on the fate of a mortal about whatever.

02:18:36.360 But I don't think that's typically how things work.

02:18:39.400 And I say that, I mean, we ask the protection of our gods when we go on journeys. We ask that we do a wayfarer's bloat at events to ask that people return safe. We ask our gods for help in everyday life stuff a lot.

02:18:58.040 But how much a role that plays is up to them, certainly.

02:19:10.200 I try to, you know, praise it as just a personal little ritual thing I do when planes taken off on a trip.

02:19:22.100 i hail each of the gods um i hope that they see me through safe to my destination but less than

02:19:35.740 that i want you know if something were not to go right i'd like for within the last you know

02:19:42.980 within the last period of my life for those to be some of the last things that i said and made

02:19:49.240 point of doing was honoring them you know as i'm about to go on a journey so you know in a similar

02:19:56.840 way that i'm going on a trip i make sure to tell my wife and my and my daughter that i love them

02:20:01.800 and stuff because you never know what happens um i think the gods certainly favor people with

02:20:11.400 blessings that they want to achieve things or that it's beneficial to put some luck behind

02:20:20.120 but i don't think it's you know i don't think they sit up there and and just

02:20:26.280 send out hits on certain people that get greenlit because they dumped toxic waste in the

02:20:35.000 in the ocean but i i get it we all have those thoughts and we all think those things so i'm not

02:20:40.440 trivializing the question i think we've all thought those things but i don't think it's quite that i

02:20:46.920 don't think it works quite that way and i think one of the things about order versus chaos is i

02:20:52.600 don't think that the icr get in petty squabbles amongst one another in that way i think that

02:21:02.120 when you're dealing with icr as opposed to jotnar or something else then there's more at play there

02:21:09.240 But a lot of that is impossible for us to meaningfully parse what's here or there on.

02:21:21.860 But, yeah, I know that's kind of a non-answer, but it's, I think, honestly, probably the best that we have.

02:21:31.320 Svon, would you think?

02:21:32.500 Oh, go ahead.

02:21:33.060 I was just going to say, just to reemphasize again, that it is said in Grimnismal and in the Volospow and in the Gilfogining that the gods gather to counsel, to meet in tribunal.

02:21:54.260 they meet forth to give judgment to men in heaven. And it's very important because we don't believe

02:22:03.420 that everything we're going to do is going to meet in a trial in the afterlife. And the gods

02:22:12.260 are going to measure our heart with a feather and our philchia is like a lawyer who's trying to run

02:22:19.000 defense no the gods are witnessing us now because the gods are involved in many things of the mortal

02:22:27.160 and middle worlds whether it's uh the natural forces cosmic forces um they're at play with the

02:22:37.000 entirety of all the movement including you know again we asked for them to witness our lives and

02:22:45.240 when the gods do gather together every day as the lore states around the well of urd in heaven

02:22:53.400 they leave ausgarth the the the enclosed capsulated castles of heaven or and they come down

02:23:04.360 to where ignorance still stands in the center of heaven and underneath it is a is a well and

02:23:12.680 And they sit in their chairs and they meet out to the doom.

02:23:17.320 What does that translate to is, to me is, again, they move to the circulatory center of all things.

02:23:25.580 And from here, they can adjudicate into the world below through the well.

02:23:33.400 And as they touch that skein of water, the ripples are made and the effects are held.

02:23:41.140 And then we, in turn, are gifting to them so they can see us, witness us, and bear those deeds.

02:23:49.640 We don't see them as being these afterlife adjudicators.

02:23:54.520 They don't go down into the underworld where it's really hard to go, according to the lore.

02:24:01.300 um because you know and balder is there and lord odin sneaks past into these

02:24:08.340 kind of places far away from order and um you know to have it stated that you know they just

02:24:17.080 go down there and then they'll you know and and and that would foster a reality amongst the

02:24:23.360 Ausatruhr, that you must build your case for the afterlife. Every deed you do good and every deed

02:24:32.080 you do bad has to be measured up in that final case with your Filchia, you know, that's got the 0.86

02:24:40.380 cigarette and the loose tie and is trying to make it all work out and figure out how it's gonna, 0.97

02:24:45.020 you know, I got a tough defense here. No, we don't, I don't think that that's

02:24:51.560 the way, the way is that the gods are witnessing us now. And when we do fall, then our, um,

02:25:00.060 our soul, you know, goes to pieces and, uh, the correct pieces fall into each other and move on

02:25:09.000 to the next, uh, really the, the true, uh, admittance into and over the bridge into the

02:25:16.280 safe place that is on that other side that safe haven where the souls reside is the ancestors

02:25:24.600 themselves because it's not specifically stated that hell has that admittance but that mavguv

02:25:32.440 is standing there making sure you're either allowed to go to your ancestors

02:25:37.560 or you must take the road that takes you to gyo and sleeve um i think it's also worth noting in

02:25:44.200 ale saga when he says that he has been uh you know uh doomed or that it was it was uh broken of him

02:25:53.400 the troth with lord othen i think that this is a warrior's lament see and i think it goes that he

02:26:01.960 is a warrior he has been in every battle and never shied away from it and he is not taken in battle

02:26:09.800 so that he can grow older have a wife have children and feel this great sorrow of losing

02:26:22.280 his son so the warrior lament of not being chosen in battle is one of the big points of um

02:26:31.400 al saga and i really identify with this i went into war when i was in the marine corps with the

02:26:39.780 express purpose of making myself available to be chosen that was my that was the entire mental

02:26:52.400 uh weight of my time in iraq was i never shied away from combat always moved forward

02:27:00.860 And if I was to be chosen by Lord Odin, I would be chosen. And then on your way back, you're like, why wasn't I chosen? And again, the machinations of Lord Odin are bigger than perhaps the simple heavy metal wants and desires of young men.

02:27:20.800 Um, and I think that this is kind of lending to that, that the true point of it is, is that he was not chosen and that he lived and that he was feeling a sorrow that he would be never having to experience if he was simply chosen in battle.

02:27:38.540 I think that's one of the big things about that, um, stanza that really sticks out to me.

02:27:48.660 All right.

02:27:50.800 Well, if you would take us back to our text.

02:27:54.660 Okay.

02:27:57.680 Let's see.

02:27:58.520 29.

02:28:01.440 Late I came, though called betimes, to the supreme judge's door.

02:28:08.420 Thither word I yearn, for it was promised me, he who craves it shall of the feast partake.

02:28:18.680 Again, this is pretty straightforward.

02:28:20.120 Christian rhetoric that I have come to want Jehovah or Yahweh's heavenly abode. And if I yearn for it, I was promised that I could partake in that feast. But again, the language is very interesting.

02:28:39.900 They're clearly holding, um, Nordic and Germanic concepts of hospitality and entering at the door and partaking in the feast. Um, there is no Saint, uh, Simon, or as most people know him as Peter, um, waiting at pearly gates, et cetera.

02:29:00.360 So it adapts in order to soak up the cultures it's in.

02:29:08.640 30. Sins are the cause that sorrowing we depart from this world.

02:29:15.460 No one stands in dread. 1.00

02:29:17.760 If he does no evil, good it is to be blameless.

02:29:24.320 So, again, that reemphasize of sin.

02:29:28.360 sin this is a foreign concept to our ancestors so it's being driven super hard um

02:29:39.400 you know we have in our faith dishonor and unseemliness which are kind of sometimes the same

02:29:50.440 but they're ultimately paradoxed or not paradoxed they're given framework in the context of an

02:30:06.040 outer guard and an inner guard and you know your kinsmen and the friv that you make versus the

02:30:14.760 stranger, the neutral, and the enemy or the ally that is in the outer guard. And that is the

02:30:24.420 context in which you place your honor and your unseemliness. But here, it's not about what is

02:30:36.620 good for the inner guard um as being the ultimate good instead it's no it's every deed you're doing

02:30:44.800 the judge because he says the judge's door um the judge is judging you for every deed and every deed

02:30:53.000 is based on what at this point and that's where the the entering of the um semitic or even the

02:31:04.000 foreign mediterranean mindset or however it needs to be like uh placed out there is that they

02:31:12.640 this is how they start to inject the new moral framework um 0.97

02:31:19.420 31 like unto wolves all those seem who have a faithless mind so he will prove who

02:31:33.700 has to go through ways strewed with gleads. That was an interesting, um, translation there.

02:31:45.360 Gladu or Gleidu and Gleads. Um, I'm still, uh, I haven't had a chance to look that up. Um,

02:31:55.500 so clearly he's stating now and this is kind of again context to our faith the idea of the soul

02:32:06.720 traversing between the land the middle world the land of the living and the land of the dead

02:32:14.480 is always seen as kind of a long path the path word is northward and downward uh new shoes for

02:32:23.020 the dead man so that he may travel um well uh there the the this is all cultural language for

02:32:34.700 um that the land between the the middle and the upper is uh sorry the land between the lower

02:32:44.060 and the middle and upper is a great distance and it is difficult to traverse it's not something that

02:32:50.460 is just happens willy-nilly um and our souls must traverse that long journey um and death itself is

02:33:00.940 is kind of part of that it's the you know the breaking apart it's very morose it's very cold

02:33:07.260 it's very dark and that's why everything about hell's road is in that context um the calamity

02:33:16.300 of men and and illness and um anybody who's lost someone to the consumption of illness knows there

02:33:24.780 is like this bitter um kind of feeling towards that loss that road is very toilsome um

02:33:37.660 but here you know he's also stating that um you know uh

02:33:46.300 Those who are faithless have to walk this road, and there are many who must walk it.

02:33:56.900 And in 32, friendly counsels and wisely composed, seven I have imparted to thee.

02:34:05.940 Consider thou them well and forget them never.

02:34:10.060 They are all useful to learn.

02:34:12.080 so the it almost feels like there was a uh poet who converted or perhaps the child of a convert

02:34:25.520 who was keeping the poetic style alive and had learned the measure but was creating

02:34:32.520 kind of a shaky have a molly uh attempt and it turned into this it was just not very well

02:34:46.380 ordered um very very splotchy now this could also be on the people recording it saimander

02:34:54.540 um and the sources that he was getting could have been very choppy as well but it's just one of

02:35:02.020 those poems and again a lot of people might be thinking like what does the suns it's the soul

02:35:08.660 uh solio what does it have to do it's actually mentioned later on but briefly and um

02:35:15.760 yeah it's it's just awkward but it's also kind of like again you're seeing these comparisons

02:35:23.980 between the old uh belief and this new foreign belief you're seeing direct interpolations from

02:35:32.860 the halvamal and um ultimately at the end though it kind of falls short of you know i guess what

02:35:41.020 it's attempting to do or perhaps this was like a kind of a practice poem um for a uh post conversion

02:35:50.700 um scald um 33 and then it shifts to it's chapter 3 33 of that i will speak now happy i was in the

02:36:06.460 world and secondly how the sons of men reluctantly become corpses

02:36:11.700 now i think this is the death cult stuff shining through here

02:36:16.700 34. Pleasure and pride deceive the sons of men who after money crave. Shining riches at last become a sorrow. Many have riches driven to madness.

02:36:33.860 35. Steeped in joys I seemed to men, for little did I see before me, our worldly sojourn has the Lord created in delights abounding.

02:36:46.700 so you know crave not money crave not riches the good lord has created a world of abundance

02:36:58.540 beyond money um i think too this might be also speaking to the time

02:37:06.540 um the minting of money in the mainland of europe drew a lot of attention from from the nords

02:37:14.700 to come down and make you know money and build power where they were at and i think that's you

02:37:25.780 know a common thing for everyone all over um and i think that again the the nordic people knew that

02:37:33.180 the world was full of bounty outside of gold um to coax it out of the land and out of the world

02:37:43.080 um in the north was not always an easy task um and that's not mentioned um unless i guess you

02:37:51.040 moved to the holy land but even then you know you got your problems there um i think that our

02:37:57.900 ancestors understood that it's just again there's a call to dropping your money letting go of your

02:38:05.360 wealth and um you know learning of the bounty of the world and the best way to do that is to

02:38:13.840 give your entirety over to jehovah i think that's a common theme that we see even to today

02:38:21.760 um 36 bowed down i sat long i tottered of life was most desirous but he prevailed

02:38:36.500 who was all powerful onward are the ways of the doomed

02:38:41.400 so again doom in that sense is judgment

02:38:51.700 um it's oftentimes used in the same way that the word like evil and ill is used and it may have

02:38:59.660 different contexts in our language now but um yeah so ever onward are those to be judged

02:39:07.560 and it is better you know to prostrate yourself to bow down and give unto yourself in worship to 0.66

02:39:15.480 to yahweh um because you will not escape the inevitable of death

02:39:22.480 um 37 the cords of hell were tightly bound round my sides i would rend them but they were strong 0.82

02:39:32.860 tis easy free to go i alone knew how on all sides my pains increased the maids of hell

02:39:41.740 each eve with horror bade me to their home. The sun I saw, true star of day, sink in its roaring

02:39:53.960 home, but hell's grated doors on the other side I heard heavily creaking. The sun I saw with blood

02:40:04.680 red beans beset fast was i then from this world declining mightier she appeared in many ways

02:40:14.520 than she was before so in these last four it's it's very interesting but also worth noting

02:40:21.400 the usage of the word hell and the concepts of the way our ancestors saw things i've spoken about how

02:40:29.880 our ancestors saw the gods as being atop and surrounded by clouds and light they they see

02:40:39.640 the gods as as not necessarily just simply floating above but are kind of in this higher place

02:40:47.640 um of mountains and that um they were in the center of the world um but were above and that

02:40:56.520 again lends to um you know the the the true thinking of where our ancestors were is that

02:41:04.920 the gods are in the center and above um how they conceptualize that again with the mountains and

02:41:10.840 what have you other people think of mount olympus or or what have you um but in this case hell is

02:41:18.280 always associated with death and the processes of death so the binding of the ropes and cords

02:41:26.680 of fate around the body pulling one towards death and that is you know very

02:41:36.440 ausa through in the sense of um the the the poetics of uh of it in in relation to other

02:41:44.520 references is that yes death is that that last and calling process that is you know brought about by

02:41:55.160 her hell and it's spelled this way with hell or hell um so that means the you know the actual

02:42:05.960 being hell um the maidens of hell was an interesting um point there but i don't think

02:42:14.680 there's much um brought about that that i mean that i can think of outside of here but again

02:42:23.080 her you know her grated door is heavily creaking it's opening up and hell is is um

02:42:31.240 calling so i wonder too if this christian was um at a time where christianity did not have the

02:42:40.200 the fire and brimstone afterlife because they've changed their afterlife so many times um and so

02:42:48.840 in this case it's very much like if the romans who were becoming christians would simply associate

02:42:56.920 hades with that place and that always happens because the initial view was how close you were

02:43:08.200 to yahweh the farther away you were bad closer to good and i mean it even got to the point where the

02:43:16.760 jews had different last names and that meant like your it was like the equivalency of your rose

02:43:23.000 preceding to yahweh like the the levites were the closest and then the cohen's were second 0.81

02:43:29.400 and so on and so forth um and that just transferred over when the jews that were

02:43:37.000 of the early christian church started converting um greeks and romans they would do the same thing

02:43:44.040 but now it was god is not in hades but hades is still kind of the same as the way they were taught

02:43:54.120 and so i think this is kind of very much the same case um the uh the fire and brimstone stuff

02:44:02.040 really did come a lot later and the argument of whether or not hell was a different place

02:44:08.360 and um which satan was the satan like there was a lot of different hasatons um i think it was

02:44:18.600 mentioned in the chat chat that like cleared it up for me that um asrael was the the angel of death

02:44:25.400 but azazel was a fallen moloch um and uh you know there's cases of them praying to both actually i

02:44:36.280 I know that there was a tradition in which they would place their sins into a goat and place the goat out into the desert. 0.91

02:44:43.800 And that the claiming of Azazel would absolve them of their sins that way.

02:44:51.960 Huge, again, focusing on sins.

02:44:56.460 So you can kind of see this part here.

02:44:59.620 He's speaking much about the judgment of God.

02:45:05.640 and you notice there's not a lot of jesus talk it's a lot of um the judgment of god but then

02:45:13.160 when revert to hell in the end like the dark and and the underneath and the opposite it immediately

02:45:21.000 reverts back to what he would culturally know um that predated the insert of question um

02:45:36.600 Yeah, even referring to the sun as she, mightier she appeared.

02:45:44.580 41. The sun I saw and it seemed to me as if I saw a glorious God.

02:45:50.860 I bowed before her for the last time in the world of men.

02:45:57.060 42. The sun I saw, she beamed forth so that I seemed nothing to know.

02:46:03.520 but gyo's streams roared from the other side mingled much with blood so i've spoken about it

02:46:13.140 that when you know when we die the access to our ancestors comes first and foremost with the guardian

02:46:19.960 of the bridge who is movguth and if we are denied access then we must take the trail that leads us

02:46:27.600 to gyo first because there are two rivers that we cross over and gyo means it survives in our

02:46:35.600 language with the word yelp um it means to cry out so he's referencing lore um of his cultural

02:46:47.120 and familial and people's religion while also speaking of this new religion

02:46:55.360 that's coming in and this is very specific um but gill streams roared from the other side

02:47:04.360 mingled much with blood 43 i the sun i saw with quivering eyes appalled and shrieking from my

02:47:12.680 heart in great measure was dissolved in languor 44 the sun i saw seldom sadder i had then almost

02:47:24.120 from the world declined my tongue was as would become and all was cold within me so now we start

02:47:31.400 to shift towards an ausatruer concept of death in the in the difference is it's not about

02:47:42.280 prostrating here for a better afterlife but in this i mean and again it's very very clear where

02:47:51.000 he's getting all of this is that life is good. The sun upon your skin, the wind, the ocean,

02:47:59.160 the touch of a loved one, all of these things are great and powerful. And that death is about

02:48:08.820 separating from a lot of the great gifts that we have here, that we enter into the realm beyond

02:48:16.860 the veil and there are i believe great pleasures there and i and i mean that in not in any sort of

02:48:24.140 degenerate sense but like that there is that interconnectivity to be able to you know speak

02:48:30.780 and interconnect with the you know our ancestors and to learn their side of things with with no um

02:48:38.860 barriers between us like in life and and so on and so forth and experience those great

02:48:44.540 great understanding and connected this to them and to again place our part of the story in it

02:48:52.520 um and to be considered one of them to not get you know uh barred um and to speak on behalf of

02:49:02.900 the living to speak about and and hold counsel to and say and speak of um who we uh were with

02:49:12.680 and uh where we went and what we experienced and to tell the ancestors and to kind of um

02:49:22.360 stand as representatives from the from the middle world is really important so we see this happening

02:49:30.120 um here um and again the difference between now you'll hear christians speak of like hellfire

02:49:38.040 and brimstone and heat in this underworld sense but he's talking about the stiffness of his tongue

02:49:45.240 and the coldness which is always why um helgard and niflheim and death itself is observed as the

02:49:56.360 stiffening the cold and the bleakness of separation from the joys and the treasure of living that life

02:50:05.400 is good and um that separating from it is is sad um it should not be um

02:50:16.600 i i don't think it should be feared but i think it's it's something that is worth missing um

02:50:23.000 otherwise it wouldn't be precious so that that emphasis of of life i think is shining through

02:50:30.680 the sun i saw never after since that gloomy day for the mountain waters closed over me

02:50:38.600 and i went called from torments so the light and the living and the joys of life are swallowing him

02:50:51.020 up in death he becomes stiff he becomes cold and he traverses the long road and he sees the river

02:50:58.380 gyol um with with much blood and again the we've spoken about rivers and how they are the liminal

02:51:07.420 spaces between the realms um and they they border realms they flow from realms we have the you know

02:51:17.100 the 11 rivers that flow from heaven and border that land and then there are the rivers here

02:51:23.420 and there are the rivers um in the underworld um that again kind of create borders through these

02:51:31.180 spaces so once he passes through he's saying you know the joys of life are gone for me and um i'm

02:51:39.340 you know inexorably crossing over um you know i i no mention of garn which i you know interesting

02:51:50.940 No mention of Nipah's cave or the cave dwelling, the hole in which, you know, is mentioned in the Volospow and in the Gilbeginning as the place in which the dead must traverse.

02:52:03.920 But all of that really is mythical or mythos language, symbolic of the arduous journey of death and the wake of which death leaves in the middle world.

02:52:21.060 um but to attain your ancestors at the end to cross that bridge and to go beyond the veil and

02:52:31.740 go beyond the hall of the calamity of man the very thing that breaks everything down and there

02:52:38.860 to be in the halls where is bedecked you know with gold and that is where lord baldur is and

02:52:47.520 nana and um hodur and all of the ancestors and all of the barriers that kept us from understanding

02:52:57.520 or you know the things that we experience um dissolve away and we become kind of you know

02:53:05.500 connected um in a way to better understand the life that we just lived um i think it's quite

02:53:14.340 Beautiful and poetic, but to get there, naturally, seen as what it is.

02:53:23.440 Terrible.

02:53:25.640 46.

02:53:27.540 The star of hope, when I was born, fled from my breast away.

02:53:33.000 High it flew and settled nowhere, so that it might find rest.

02:53:38.880 47.

02:53:39.600 The longer than all was that one night when stiff on my straw I lay, then becomes manifest the divine word.

02:53:53.820 Man is the same as earth.

02:53:56.200 the creator god can it estimate and know he who made heaven and earth how forsaken many go hence

02:54:06.980 although from kindred aparted so now this is kind of like i'm laying in my bed and i

02:54:17.960 have this epiphany and the epiphany says that this god is speaking the truth that man and earth are

02:54:29.140 the same and that many are forsaken in sin and that each person is responsible for their own soul

02:54:38.600 um despite you know the words and the deeds of their kinsmen etc um

02:54:46.540 of his works each day has the reward happy is he who does good of my wealth bereft to me was

02:54:56.980 destined a bed strewn with sand again another another mark of don't build wealth because you

02:55:05.740 can't take it with you there's this kind of attack on that never mind like passing it down to your

02:55:11.220 kinfolk and your children and etc but you know as i'm reading this the comment that you said

02:55:17.220 elsewhere that it is kind of like this you know communistic way of thinking is kind of

02:55:22.980 really hitting home right now because they keep banging that drum um

02:55:30.100 um 50 bodily desires men oftentimes seduce of them has many a one too much

02:55:41.440 water of baths was of all things to me most loathsome

02:55:47.800 um that's interesting that shift between the desires of men

02:55:58.000 um oftentimes seduce um i don't know if this is like an allegoric to

02:56:06.560 um perhaps sharing the love of someone else who's been of the love of a lot of other people or

02:56:18.680 um you know again or something is shared um so he's comparing the seductions

02:56:28.400 or the things that seduce men is like a bath that has been uh used by many people

02:56:38.200 um so now we shift again and here we see another gleaning sense of ausa through where he says 51

02:56:52.440 in the norns seat nine days i sat thence i was mounted on a horse there the giantess's sun

02:57:02.560 shown grimly through the dripping clouds of heaven so the norn seat or stool uh nornastoli um

02:57:13.600 again you know uh i don't think this is literal but perhaps seeing from fate or speaking of the

02:57:25.200 the stoli that the gods sit upon to mete out judgment um that i mean i don't know i don't know

02:57:35.500 where he is going with this but it does again meet reference to and another understanding of

02:57:44.140 our cosmos is our ancestors did see the gods in that upper place in the mountains and that the

02:57:50.880 sun that went up and over uh was shared by the vanir was shared by the icier was shared by the

02:57:59.440 by uh the jotens and that's why they have different names for for the sun um is again

02:58:07.840 lending to that um so they did not see us as like being kind of this marshmallow in the middle of a

02:58:15.840 tree um and that the gods are in the top of the tree and all of the wells are in the bottom of

02:58:22.160 the tree uh that doesn't really track a lot um so in 52 without and within i seemed to traverse

02:58:34.240 all the seven nether worlds up and down i sought an easier way where i might have the readiest paths

02:58:45.840 now i think at this point too what most likely is being spoken of

02:58:53.920 is the worlds in and of themselves as we talk about the nine worlds um but this would then

02:59:01.200 include specifically the heavenly realm it would exclude leo's alfheim and it would exclude um

02:59:09.200 heaven via ausgarther so but the rest of the worlds he's traversing them um

02:59:19.840 you know unless there's i mean because there really isn't a mention of the realms below

02:59:26.240 specifically in the number seven i mean there's clearly neither of the smart alvar and there's

02:59:33.920 niflheim and there's hell guard but these are hell guard is an encapsulated place within niflheim

02:59:41.360 just as ausgarther is an encapsulated place within heaven um so again

02:59:51.600 um 53 of that is to be told which i first saw when i too to the worlds of torment came

03:00:00.480 Scorched birds, which were souls, flew numerous as flies.

03:00:08.020 From the west I saw Vaughn's dragon fly, and Gleival's paths obscure.

03:00:16.860 Their wings they shook, wide around me seemed the earth and the heaven to burst.

03:00:22.380 now that is interesting because the translation here to

03:00:29.420 uh vaunar v-a-n-a-r vaunar instead of von von's dragons

03:00:37.700 i yeah it's like i'm not i can't recall anything like connecting to this um

03:00:49.060 And then here, the son's heart, H-A-R-T, the deer, the son's heart I saw from the south coming.

03:01:03.060 He was by two together led. His feet stood on the earth, but his horns reached up to heaven.

03:01:10.660 Now, fair to say, I mean, there is mention clearly of the four hearts that remain in heaven and are, you know, standing on the boughs of Yggdrasil, so perhaps he's pulling poetic sense from there, or perhaps this is of another source, maybe a Christian source.

03:01:33.380 I know of the heart with the cross that leads, I believe, a German saint.

03:01:42.640 The emblem in the Jägermeister bottle has the deer head with the cross.

03:01:49.180 Perhaps pulling from that, I don't know.

03:01:54.260 And this poem is producing a lot more questions than I realized it was going to do, for myself anyways.

03:02:03.380 um from the north i saw the sons of needy

03:02:12.260 they were seven in all from full horns the pure mead they drank from the heavens god's well

03:02:23.220 um and they use the the title baureans um the dwelling ruler from his well they drink the

03:02:38.660 purest mead and and needy or nevia is how it's it's said um you know i wonder if this is again

03:02:48.660 referencing to the dwarves and he's kind of saying that underneath as he saw these the dark

03:02:58.020 or the uh the smart elves um you know drinking mead directly from god's well um

03:03:09.780 um because it it points into like yeah burning birds and then drinking mead um shift is very

03:03:20.340 very swift um the wind was silent the water stopped their course and then i heard a doleful

03:03:27.460 sound for their husbands false faced women ground earth for food so he's saying and lending to the 1.00

03:03:38.580 I think the mark of, you know, breaking oaths or what have you that these women are grinding dirt like they would seed or wheat to eat. 1.00

03:03:53.720 and that again clearly pulls from uh nordic sources skirner's mall talks about how skirner 1.00

03:04:02.520 says together that she will um gain no sustenance from food and everything she drinks will will be 1.00

03:04:10.440 of like of foul things and of urine and what have you um gory stones those dark women turned 1.00

03:04:20.760 sorrowfully bleeding hearts hung out of their breasts faint with much affliction

03:04:28.840 many a man i saw wounded go on these bleed strewed paths their faces seemed to me all reddened with

03:04:38.680 reeking blood many a men i saw to earth gone down who holy service might not have

03:04:48.440 heathen stars stood above their heads painted with deadly character

03:04:56.600 so very very interesting in just the the um context in which this is being laid out

03:05:08.040 these men are somehow marked by stars for their even worship um and again i think this is kind

03:05:16.040 of a rudimentary poetic style that would be spoken in a hall and its intention is to

03:05:25.080 stir up and uh pass the faith but again it's very disjointed and that could be on the recording of it

03:05:36.520 um i saw those men who much envy harbor at another's fortune bloody runes

03:05:43.240 were on their breasts, graved painfully. I there saw men, many, not joyful. They were all wandering

03:05:53.720 wild. This he earns, who by this world's vices is infatuated. So I think also too, it's worth

03:06:02.600 noting, just like Dante's Inferno, some of the punishments and the concepts in which are being

03:06:09.140 discussed are unique to the time of the writing. And so it would be understood what the runes are,

03:06:18.820 but the fact that they are written on the chest. So the influence of Christianity is

03:06:23.900 really prevalent in this poem, but they're sprinkling in these other elements that the

03:06:34.160 the audience would know i saw those men who had in various ways acquired

03:06:41.520 others property in the shoals they went to castle covetous feyarn feyarns borger

03:06:54.240 is what the the um translation or what the old north says and and burthens bore of lead

03:07:01.520 i saw those men who had who many had of life and property bereft through the breast of those men

03:07:11.000 passed strong venomous serpents i saw those men who the holy days would not observe

03:07:17.900 their hands were on hot stones firmly nailed

03:07:22.180 so again and i think there's the emphasis too on the difference of life of going out and

03:07:33.640 going a viking and then post christianity no don't do that you can't you know fight

03:07:42.360 kill and take um other people's things but again that didn't necessarily even stop after

03:07:51.540 christianity um i you know especially in perhaps the names and purposes of what they were doing

03:08:00.260 it especially in the north um took many many almost a century before that was kind of

03:08:07.140 um weeded down and then it was more organized at least and sanctioned by the crown or the church um

03:08:15.300 um so and oh wait a minute let's see one thing he said here um

03:08:22.260 uh i need to go back i wanted to see one thing though um

03:08:29.820 yeah helga daga holy days halda helga daga um i just wanted to see which reference of holy they

03:08:42.220 used um in 66 i saw those men who from pride valued themselves too highly their garments

03:08:52.300 ludicrously were in fire enveloped since our ancestors held great pride in their

03:09:02.060 um vestments they wanted to look you know in their best clothing in their brightest colors

03:09:09.180 i think ultimately all of this is lending to the stuff that our ancestors speaking about the poet

03:09:16.700 held in high regard their pridefulness their wanting of of money and their willingness to fight

03:09:25.020 um needs to all be let go and you know people who liked it this is what happened to them people who

03:09:32.300 did it this is now they're you know enveloped in fire um people who are greedy have their hands

03:09:39.420 nailed to stones um and again it just kind of lends to a theory of mine as well that uh

03:09:45.980 the sadisticness of you know death worshipers have in which they gleefully speak about

03:09:54.540 all of these terrible things um in you know just gruesome detail with with you know a gleam in

03:10:03.700 their eyes but not for them because they followed the plan and they know the rules and they're

03:10:12.660 going to get past it but they just kind of joyously talk about what everyone else is going to get um

03:10:20.640 67 i saw those men who had many false words of others uttered hell's ravens from their heads

03:10:32.000 their eyes were miserably tore all the horrors that will get to know which hell's inmates suffer

03:10:41.320 pleasant sins end in painful penalties pains ever follow pleasure i think that's pretty

03:10:50.380 self-evident of a very abrahamic concept of uh you know denying yourself riches denying yourself

03:10:59.700 pride denying yourself pleasures that all of these things um follow in numerous tortures

03:11:07.880 and again this is the only time where hell and hell guard are seen in a more of a christian

03:11:18.020 context i i i know that a lot of people try to uh afford that to snorty but this is clearly

03:11:26.080 um the christianization

03:11:29.300 um i saw those men who had much given for god's laws pure lights were above their heads brightly

03:11:39.700 burning i saw those men who from exalted mind helped the poor to aid angels read holy books

03:11:48.440 above their heads so lastly that's the other thing this is helgard is seen as the land of

03:11:57.160 the dead. It's the place beyond the veil. And in this case, the torture of beings and the

03:12:07.980 exaltation of beings and the rewards of beings are in the same place. Those who were much given

03:12:16.760 to God's laws have pure lights above their head, but those who speak false have runes carved on

03:12:23.700 their chest and heathen stars above their head, marking them for, you know, uh, being heathens,

03:12:32.400 but it's all in the same place. Um,

03:12:39.060 I saw those men who with much fasting had their bodies wasted. God's angels bowed before them.

03:12:50.780 That is the highest joy.

03:12:53.820 I think that's an interesting one there, too, because Yule was a time of feasting.

03:12:59.020 And during that time, a lot of the Christians, which I actually don't believe they were celebrating the rabbi's birthday at that time, but that were instead fasting. 0.53

03:13:12.780 But the adoption of feasting became a thing because they were losing so many people in conversion.

03:13:19.360 But they constantly reemphasize the idea of fasting. And I don't think fasting is bad, nor do I think it's something that our ancestors pre-Christianity were unknown to.

03:13:36.180 But the overemphasis of it with the intent of being awarded or being anointed in some way by denying yourself is, again, kind of like a combination of, I would say, like Zoroastrian magical practices that kind of inversed into Christianity

03:14:04.560 all the way to kind of the aesthetics of like the combination of Christianity and Mithra and the

03:14:12.680 overall like kind of rejection of societies they were in. Feasting was such a big part in Greece.

03:14:22.060 Feasting was such a big part in Rome and everywhere they went. Feasting was such a big

03:14:28.100 thing and so one of the stark convincing factors that they had to press was no no no fist feasting

03:14:36.460 is is bad and uh if you if you actually fast um you will be anointed um

03:14:44.140 so while everyone else is having fun don't eat and see that anger against your your your fellow

03:14:55.020 kinsmen um but especially once you get into out out of the mediterranean why would you fast if

03:15:03.100 you're hungry three-fourths of the time anyway it doesn't work already looking for food most of the

03:15:09.660 time yeah and and feasting in the north was often um at the at the giving of a lord or someone of

03:15:20.540 of high renown. You might be a fisherman and eat fish all year round, but then suddenly

03:15:25.840 the great landowner, you know, like a half day's ride away is going to hold a bloat and

03:15:32.240 have a feast. And this is the only time you might get a chance to get beef or cow and

03:15:38.760 lamb. So, you know, you show up and bloat is there and everyone's eating and having a

03:15:46.880 good time. It might be the only time you get a chance to sip mead for the year. Um, yeah, a lot

03:15:52.960 of feasts, especially in the North were actually predicated at the giving nature of someone or a

03:16:03.280 group of someone's. Um, so, uh, it gets again, this back and forth and this painting of, of

03:16:13.400 christianity kind of layered in um i saw those men who had put food into their mother's mouth

03:16:21.780 their couches were on the rays of heaven pleasantly placed so those who fed their mothers

03:16:30.180 were given exaltation again this is one of those that and we've seen this before earlier in the

03:16:36.620 poem i don't think there were like it was it was heathen custom to let your mother starve

03:16:43.820 no not at all i think um this is one of those clearly jointed points but he's just trying to

03:16:49.900 emphasize um like returning love to the one who brought you into the world but then it goes to

03:16:56.480 holy virgins there we go holy virgins had cleanly washed the souls from sin of

03:17:04.940 oh this is an interesting it's i think it's a misspelling

03:17:09.480 i think it's the the word is supposed to be tribesmen

03:17:13.800 because it's t-f-i-b-s-e uh i think they mixed it up but yeah it's the holy virgins had cleaned

03:17:25.120 and washed the souls from sin of tribesmen who for a long time had themselves tormented

03:17:32.700 So those who have been tormented, those who have been tortured or perhaps imprisoned, their souls are set free. Again, kind of appealing to the slave class. 0.94

03:17:50.820 Lofty cars 0.99

03:17:54.700 I saw

03:17:57.040 Towards heaven going

03:17:58.280 They were on the way to God

03:18:00.880 Men guided them

03:18:02.920 Who had been murdered

03:18:04.720 Holy without crime 0.91

03:18:06.420 So here

03:18:08.160 In 74

03:18:10.880 I'm looking to see

03:18:14.680 Howver

03:18:15.400 Howver

03:18:15.920 driver saw him in him carts or like i would have to look that up um because the obviously the

03:18:28.240 the word car cars is not the usage um but here they're saying too like oh so now you're getting

03:18:39.240 on the bus and you're going up to god and the guys that lead you there are guys that were killed

03:18:45.040 but never did anything wrong um almighty father greatest son holy spirit of heaven

03:18:56.480 thee i pray who has all us uh has us all created free us from our miseries

03:19:05.120 um and switches to um chapter um four um 0.99

03:19:19.760 and list for sit at her there's door on resounding seat iron gore falls from their

03:19:28.360 nostrils which kindles hate among amongst men 0.97

03:19:37.320 odin's wife rose in earth's ship eager after the pleasures her sails are reefed late which

03:19:47.320 on the ropes of desire are hung so now we kind of see some kind of you know blaspheming um

03:19:58.360 And again, I'm trying to read into what the earth's ship might mean, other than, again, that she has dominion over the mundane or dominion over the earthly pleasures.

03:20:12.540 78, Son, I, thy father, and Solkatla's son, have alone obtained for thee that horn of the heart, which from the grave mound bore wise vidvalen.

03:20:32.540 Here are runes which have engraven Mjörðr's daughters, nine, Rarvar, the eldest, and the youngest, Krepvor, and their seven sisters.

03:20:48.700 Now, I just want to take a slight moment to point out that I made mention a while back about the nine daughters of Mjörðr versus the nine daughters of Ayr, and how the nine daughter proponent in relation to the lords of waters, whether it's the ocean or the rivers, and this is another mention of it.

03:21:14.320 so just wanted to to point that out but this is the first time ever

03:21:18.720 i i've ever read this poem and the um the names just of of um um

03:21:32.160 like okay for instance the translation is baldvay not not radvor

03:21:41.200 and so both way i i think means like the lust of bidding which again if it's a waterway the idea

03:21:54.400 of like a a flowing river that pulls you in a direction would be a bidding a lustful bidding

03:22:02.640 um i would have to look up more on on uh but i just think it's really interesting that

03:22:09.200 the translation became radvor which is super odd um and you got to be careful with these

03:22:18.200 translations sometimes like that um 80. how much violence have they perpetrated svalf and

03:22:26.740 and svalfloey bloodshed they have excited and wounds have they sucked after an evil custom 0.95

03:22:35.180 This lay which I have taught thee

03:22:43.160 Thou shalt before the living sing the sun songs

03:22:46.560 Which will appear in many parts no fiction

03:22:50.340 Here we part but again shall meet

03:22:53.980 On the day of men's rejoicing

03:22:55.900 O Lord unto the dead

03:22:59.660 Grant peace and to the living comfort

03:23:02.560 83 wondrous lore has in dream to thee been sung but thou hast seen the truth no man has been so

03:23:15.120 wise created that has before heard the sun song so this is where the name comes from but it also

03:23:23.200 re-emphasizes a couple of other things that even in the onset of the austral folk assembly and it

03:23:29.600 clearly rings through my head when i think of founder mcnallan speaking about how um there is

03:23:37.360 this understanding that we shall not in also true the gods do not alleviate us

03:23:45.520 from pain and oftentimes we don't ask for it um again this goes back to the comment that was

03:23:53.760 you know mentioned about ale and his saga and the the understanding that

03:24:03.840 we are synchronizing with the gods but synchronizing with the gods does not mean

03:24:09.520 that we are immune to the inevitabilities the calamities the the flowing of fate

03:24:19.200 um or their judgments they all have a play in this flow and here we see you know in death grant

03:24:28.400 peace and uh to the living comfort um i don't think that that is the uh desired purpose of our

03:24:39.440 faith is to you know be alleviated of pain but to experience life and you know okay again experience

03:24:49.120 the best of life i'm not saying that we're out looking for you know to be flogged or or or um

03:24:56.320 you know take the sins upon us or what have you no instead what we see is that the world is a gift

03:25:02.960 the light is the gift and we but we're not absolved from you know the moment you step out

03:25:10.480 of your door you are subject to the twistings of fate and all of those things whether it's

03:25:18.400 the gods playing their hand in the ripple or the actions of your neighbors or the action of some

03:25:25.440 person in the outer guard way far away all of these things are rippling and rolling together

03:25:31.680 and we have to weather them with strength in our faith and with the strength of our kinsmen and

03:25:38.320 our family but we're not alleviated from it no i think this is a

03:25:45.280 meaningful concept and contrast

03:25:52.600 one of the hallmarks of you know what it means to be Aryan is noble

03:26:07.960 the faith of our ancestors is about winning it's about being heroic it's about achievement

03:26:18.200 you can't have any of those things without struggle

03:26:22.160 it's not a celebration of hardship that you're overcoming

03:26:28.300 but without struggle you can't achieve and you can't accomplish

03:26:33.160 um it is literally the exact opposite of the christian mindset of being saved by faith and not

03:26:43.160 works yes our gods want your loyalty that's what ausitru means but you are not there's not a

03:26:54.500 concept of salvation, and you are not elevated because you believe in things. You are elevated

03:27:03.000 because of your actions, because of what you do. You are literally our equivalent of saved. You

03:27:11.600 are acknowledged and celebrated because of works there is a enslave religions in religions of 0.94

03:27:32.080 just mass poverty and suffering the desire and this is where we run into

03:27:37.440 the difference between the eastern expression of ancient Aryan things and the western expression

03:27:48.560 and I think this it gets muddy when we get around the turn of the 20th century and mid-20th century

03:27:56.680 when so many people didn't have a wide familiarity with Alcetru but there was a celebration of you

03:28:07.040 know eastern mysteries and of hindu thought you get a strange mishmash of this their great

03:28:17.300 hope if they do everything right in the east is often expressed especially in the buddhist

03:28:27.080 understanding but in different schools of hinduism as well is a i guess a dissolution 0.88

03:28:34.740 into nothingness basically it's putting you out of your misery the whole world is illusion the 0.63

03:28:40.500 whole world is miserable you want to get off that wheel and out of the elusive you know the

03:28:47.060 illusionary misery that is life and become one with nothingness that is anathema to our folk

03:28:55.540 and our values we don't we embrace new and better challenges beyond the veil we want to continue

03:29:04.980 ascension in a heroic fashion and one of the highest expressions of that is the

03:29:10.420 warriors that feast at the all-father's table sent out to do battle you know on the cosmic plane

03:29:19.460 the embracing of heroism of struggle and of accomplishment

03:29:23.620 sets us apart and is one of the really beautiful standout aspects of our faith and

03:29:30.500 And sometimes you learn through studying bits of lore.

03:29:39.460 You learn from the things presented in a positive way, but you also learn from the things presented in a contrasting way.

03:29:48.200 You learn when things are in line with our values, but you also learn when you see glaring, foreign things that aren't good.

03:29:58.080 You learn by that absence what is good in contrast.

03:30:04.100 So this is a really interesting one.

03:30:05.760 It's one that I don't think people spend a lot of time on.

03:30:08.480 I think many people don't even know about.

03:30:11.260 And I think it's kind of a cool thing.

03:30:13.000 Thank you guys for joining us this evening for tonight's discussion.

03:30:20.020 It's always great to have you guys.

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03:30:26.440 We had a number of people donate this evening. Thank you guys for that. And, you know, waves come and go as far as participation in the chat room, but people are viewing it live and consuming it.

03:30:42.320 If you think of questions later or whenever you think of them, please remember vns at runestone.org and we'll make sure to answer any of those questions the next time we are on.

03:30:57.060 coming up next week is a special edition of victory never sleeps we have a delting with

03:31:05.260 alan our law speaker is going to get on here and talk about financial success financial health

03:31:12.640 financial fitness our people get inspired by our lore inspired by heroism and stories of daring do

03:31:24.340 But it's hard sometimes for people to put our values in play in their own life and their day-to-day situations and find victories and successes in the life that's in front of them as opposed to in an idealized past.

03:31:42.080 One of those things, our people need to get better about taking care of our finances, taking care of the financial health of ourselves and our families.

03:31:52.500 and the law speaker has some thoughts on that he would like to share with all of us next week

03:31:57.900 so i'll be joined by alan a week from today and i look forward to talking to you guys about that

03:32:04.380 um do keep in mind if you can make it out to white springs for uh charming of the plow at

03:32:11.660 nordshoff i would love to see you guys there and if you can or if you can't i'd love to see you a

03:32:18.420 month later at Thorshof to celebrate Ostara. So please make it to one or both of those and I'd

03:32:27.680 love to see you if I can. If not, I'd love to meet you whenever I get the opportunity. Thank you guys

03:32:33.840 for being an amazing audience. Swan, thank you always for sharing your insight with us. Nick,

03:32:40.740 thank you for your contributions, your like quick draw whenever I need links and quotes

03:32:47.840 and stuff.

03:32:49.740 You literally caught me mid-sentence

03:32:51.960 I think a couple of times

03:32:54.120 tonight, so we appreciate you guys.

03:32:56.580 I saw you struggle, and I figured

03:32:57.980 I'd help you out. I appreciate

03:32:59.960 that. I'm glad you got my back.

03:33:02.300 All right, guys. Well, until

03:33:04.000 then, hail the 1.00

03:33:05.960 Aesir, hail the folk,

03:33:07.780 hail the AFA, and remember,

03:33:10.320 victory never sleeps.

03:33:13.300 Good night, everybody.

03:33:17.840 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - January 16, 2025

1⧸15⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 132 - Sólarljóð

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