00:11:33.480The construction of this poem is very similar with the admixture of Christianity kind of peppered in.
00:11:41.080That's about it. It's disjointed. It's it's odd. And like you had said, there are certain poems we're going to go over that may seem to be more relevant than others and that we're trying to glean, you know, the nuggets out of out of it.1.00
00:12:01.240we're we're knocking off the the dross and the slag for the you know the the real strong stuff
00:12:09.320but that that is present here i mean even the first couple stanzas seem very disjointed from
00:12:14.840the rest of the poem um yeah and i one of the things that i think and i know we've mentioned
00:12:20.840it on the all right so kind of a as you guys are familiar with the program you know that
00:12:27.960we collectively and me in specific i tend to go off on these little these little rabbit trails
00:12:33.640on things because some of that's just kind of how my brain works but something that i think
00:12:38.840is important to keep in mind and if you've heard it already forgive me for repeating it we have a
00:12:43.080lot of audience and maybe the first time our lore is really special in a lot of ways and kind of
00:12:52.680for perspective on our lore um first started out when uh folks like spawn and myself first
00:13:02.040first came home to also true there was this old like i don't know cheesy
00:13:10.520in the homework with homework yeah any religion you take seriously is the religion with homework
00:13:16.120but there was this period and that was during a period where there was a whole lot of
00:13:25.640self-discovery but self-discovery of a folk self-discovery of a of a religion
00:13:32.120there was a lot of learning that went on and a lot of still establishing those early footholds
00:13:39.880and things and when you start out a lot of our material seems very different maybe it's something
00:13:46.600you've never heard of before something that seems really obscure you get this stack of books and
00:13:51.720you're like wow there's this endless amount of research you can do you'd be surprised how quickly
00:13:58.280you run out of endless and we've all kind of read the same things but you know going the
00:14:05.640i have the privilege of going through this laura again um on this program with you guys and with
00:14:11.800my colleagues uh first among them uh witness fawn here and it's i can say completely honestly and
00:14:22.120this is stuff that i have been back over a lot of different times but usually i'm digging for
00:14:26.840something specific when i go back into it a lot looking at it completely fresh and going on over
00:14:33.320it in all the details you see really different things and there's our lore is so very deep and
00:14:40.200layered when you are a young man and you first get into this you the things that stand out to you
00:14:48.900the things that strike a chord the things that um resonate do so are different or do so in a
00:14:57.360different way or both then when you approach them at a different stage in your life you know reading
00:15:02.840this as you know somebody in his in his early 20s trying to make his way in the world um as a you
00:15:11.160know a single young man trying to become someone is really different than reading it as a as a
00:15:18.280husband as a father uh as a leader and as a gothi um and that's a really cool thing about it and
00:15:27.400there's also stuff with you know the lord that's just gonna hit you in the face as big bold color
00:15:32.840things that stand out that are clearly understood why they're important but the more you go through
00:15:39.960it at a leisurely pace where you're you're sipping it instead of shooting it you appreciate
00:15:47.720it in a really different way there's nuance um there's complexity we have big stories of the
00:15:54.760gods and the big tales that we all hear and that we repeat but things like this give you a glimpse
00:16:01.400into the psychology and the mindset of the people living during that time frame
00:16:06.840now we're not ancient vikings at you know during the conversion period that's not where we are
00:16:15.560but to understand our lore as it is presented in the age that we have that written down
00:16:22.200the more we understand where people are coming from when they say the things that they say
00:16:27.320the better we're able to apply that and translate that into terms and situations we face in our own
00:16:36.520lives so it's cool as a historical interest it's cool as a literary interest it's great for all
00:16:45.560those things and if that's why you're with us then more power to you that's great but religiously
00:16:51.560speaking there's there's these little things and these little nuggets that are going to be very
00:16:55.800valuable to some people and maybe not so much to others so i appreciate you guys joining us on this
00:17:04.200on this journey that we're taking tonight um if you go ahead and get where we are at find your spot
00:17:13.880and uh dive in when he is ready yeah i was gonna say a little bit um
00:17:20.280um one i think this is a harsh reality poem um most likely simon the wise um was tasked with
00:17:31.560writing it down um but the person who composed the poem is still unknown the style is very very old
00:17:41.580so it is done in like the for me this log style the the old way and um i think that's what probably
00:17:49.420drew the attraction the other thing is is it was probably a really new poem to snorri and simon
00:17:55.660there at the time um but was um held in the old style so this is the best thing that they could
00:18:05.980probably ask for i think it's worth remembering that all of our poems that are written down
00:18:14.620come from stories and i think a lot of people forget that and that these stories were shaved
00:18:23.260and constructed in such a way that they would be good poems based on poetic rules so
00:18:33.740So when I tell stories of the gods and things like that, it's not always in a poetic format, and it's not always, you know, held in strictness.
00:18:48.440um so snorty and simon that were at a time 150 years after the conversion of iceland and it's a
00:18:59.080it's a tumultuous time um in which cultures are clashing there are churches that are showing up
00:19:06.200people are kind of again forced to go um not in the sense that they're held at spear point
00:19:14.160before they go, but that it's noticed when they don't show up. And, you know, at first it's like,
00:19:23.240yes, you can, you can honor the Iser at different times. But you, you know, you go and you honor
00:19:29.420the Christ God of Rome or the Christ God of Jerusalem on Sunday. And if you don't show up,
00:19:36.980it starts to get noticed. And then the clergy of these churches start to weave within the
00:19:43.620communities, certain things. And then of course they're, they're focusing in on the children,
00:19:49.480perhaps even the, the, the women and the young daughters and trying to, you know, impress upon
00:19:56.380them the importance of saving their soul from, um, Gehenna or, you know, what they call hell by this
00:20:05.020point so um there's a lot to that this is in essence a christian poem um from a father to a son
00:20:18.060but there are marks of or references to a time before so this poem really is that nexus point
00:20:30.620in the in the day room if you will it's the x point and the x point is sometimes contentious
00:20:39.500sometimes mysterious sometimes confusing convoluted and uh before you know moving into
00:20:49.500the new era of things and i think that this is an example of it is that they're tearing down
00:20:56.700the spiritual house of a people that have been around for thou that has been around for thousands
00:21:02.380of years and um is now replacing it with the bureaucratic church and um you know it would be
00:21:14.140like oh you can't say it's a bureaucratic church or what have you but i would like to note the
00:21:18.700icelanders immediately kicked out the catholic church the moment that the the lutheran reformation
00:21:24.300happened because they were very tired of having to kind of bow to rome or bow to the whims of of
00:21:37.500not so much a four far away land because travel wasn't a big problem problem was a different
00:21:43.500culture a different people and not only that these people had been inundated with a culture
00:21:50.460of other people that were not folk so there was a great degree of separation there and i think
00:21:57.980martin luther allowed this foreignness to be kind of contained a little bit more into the realm of
00:22:07.180the teutonic or the germanic mindset so don't be surprised when we start this i mean it's it reads
00:22:13.260like christian literature um but it does again reference back and it'll give us a chance to talk
00:22:22.540about i i know that um i was here ago the enemy both come from deeply christian backgrounds um
00:22:31.660i i didn't you know really come home until i was 12 13 14 somewhere in that area early 90s and um
00:22:43.260you know, before that I was, you know, uh, coming to America and exploring their, um,
00:22:51.060religious landscape. Um, Lutheranism was what my, my mother, you know, kind of pointed me in the
00:22:57.660direction of, and then there was, you know, Catholic and Presbyterian, um, churches that
00:23:03.280were also available to me through friends. So I, I would go to all of them to, to look and kind of
00:23:09.280find the answer to this deep feeling I had in me that there was something. And then when those
00:23:17.180did not fulfill that desire, it was actually my mother. So it was like, the answer was in my
00:23:26.660house all along that led me towards understanding that my ancestors had a religion before Christianity,
00:23:34.820which i did not know and then once i found out it it led me down this path of um understanding
00:23:43.060that there was a religion practiced by my ancestors for many many many many years before
00:23:50.820christianity and it was just kind of taught that there wasn't that there was just some sort of gray
00:23:56.980void before so um okay let's see also i'll be doing the thorpe translation for this one um
00:24:10.260which i think is the same for the the volus bow.org i don't know if yeah okay gotcha yeah just to let
00:24:20.100everybody know this is the thorpe translation i i don't believe um bellows did did this one
00:24:30.420you were tardy uh it caught me on this one the last one i did that to you i was able like actually
00:24:35.460spawn um sorry but yeah i didn't see it in the intro of of this one but yeah that's that's kind
00:24:42.420of a testament to its obscurity and i think a lot of the audience will be completely unfamiliar with
00:24:48.340it well and one thing they might notice about thorpe is his straightforwardness which i really
00:24:55.780like if you want to kind of cut through the poetic din if if bellows is and and hollander
00:25:05.540and their kind of way of writing is too i've heard people say biblical because you know the king's
00:25:11.780gene king james um bible um read thorpe thorpe cuts straight to the bone um and his writing style is
00:25:22.180is very flat um and oftentimes his translations are comically direct or or just flatly written
00:25:32.740out so it's it's kind of good to keep thorpe on the sidelines when you want to cut through the
00:25:40.900poetics if you will um so we start off with one of life and property a fierce freebooter despoiled
00:25:55.860mankind over the ways beset by him might no one living pass so many bodies and many people have
00:26:07.700Have I killed? Much property have I taken? Going a Viking. Again, the best translation, I think,
00:26:16.980to Viking. And, you know, our scholars of the past understood it to be a job or a verb is
00:26:26.200freebooting. Of course, for anybody that needs to know, the German word butte, B-U-T-T-E,
00:26:32.780means treasure so it survives in our language with freebooter um someone who takes the treasure0.70
00:26:40.520um without giving in kind um so this fierce freebooting despoiled mankind over the ways
00:26:49.760beset by him might know one living past so one despoiled shows that the essence of the of the
00:26:59.600um elder mindset especially at that time was that there was no um kind of crime in
00:27:11.000going out taking and up and adding to your own your inner guard gets enriched your outer guard
00:27:21.060is free game and um this again applies the the mindset of inner guard outer guard and it has
00:27:30.980changed um over time and all religions and all moral systems that are built around them do have
00:27:38.780ones that are subjective um and i think this is one of them but for our ancestors the idea was
00:27:46.300if they could take, especially from those who were not defending their wealth and riches to build up their own, was good.
00:27:59.660Well, and everything is about context.
00:28:02.880And I see people try to rationalize or make excuses, but we're not.
00:28:09.860i've i've warned against this a lot taking
00:28:15.200holding ancient people accountable to 2025 understandings of things is really different
00:28:28.980so the world is largely settled there's very little wilderness there's very little you know
00:28:37.220untouched by civilization peoples of the world. There's a couple cannibal tribes hidden in the
00:28:44.360jungle or hidden on an island somewhere, but in general, modern nation states have divided the
00:28:51.420world and there's borders, there's political concerns, there's things, or there's integrated
00:28:56.300societies. That's not the world that our ancestors, the ones that we're reading about tonight,0.97
00:29:01.560occupy there's a lot of unaffiliated random things out there there's a lot of it's not
00:29:10.040nearly that clear but the other thing about first world problems we complain about man if your ac
00:29:17.560goes out like it's the end of the world or you know if you find out that i don't know you want
00:29:25.480to go get indian food but those people like to take a nap at like between one and two in the
00:29:30.120afternoon and you can't get your indian food that day in the middle of you know reno nevada you're
00:29:36.360upset i was gonna say that sounds oddly personal no that's it's time for sleeping like if i was
00:29:43.640in calcutta then fine but no we don't we don't sleep at one o'clock here we feed we feed matt
00:29:50.120non and uh beef korma wait a minute wait flag on the play you eat indian food
00:29:57.960i do i know no i just i remember us having that conversation where
00:30:06.920the best indian food and this is a sad irony you got to find the like pakistanis or the like
00:30:14.120indians that aren't hindu or whatever beef is amazing in indian food
00:30:20.360everything that you eat with chicken and indian food is better if it is beef
00:30:24.600um but i digress i digress significantly what i was going to say is
00:30:32.040we have all these really silly problems or you know we're not getting good internet connectivity
00:30:38.120to watch whatever streaming show at our fingertips we want to watch i too am vexed when i cannot do
00:30:45.160those things but our ancestors were in a time where if you're not especially in scandinavia
00:30:52.200if you're not on top of it, lots of our people, maybe you're not eating. Maybe you lose the baby
00:31:00.140because you're not consuming enough nutrients to feed them or to produce enough milk to feed the
00:31:06.840child. You know, if you're not storing things up, your family goes hungry. If you are not able to
00:31:14.640insulate yourself against the cold, you're freezing to death. There's a lot of realities.
00:31:21.020So it seems harsh in this day and age to see it this way because we are surrounded by comfort and safety nets.
00:31:32.600But if my people that look like me, that are related to me, that I know that are my folk are suffering and guys over on this other island or this other piece of land that are not my people, that I don't know, that do other things, have stuff that I need or want.
00:31:55.120If one of us is going to make it through the winter, I'm going to do my damnedest to make sure it's me and mine.
00:32:00.080and that's the reality a lot of these people that is the impetus and i don't want to sugarcoat it
00:32:06.520yes when you realize man i can get rich doing this i can farm and maybe have some goats and
00:32:13.240i can eat some sheep testicles and some goat head or i can get casks of wine and exotic spices and
00:32:24.340delicious things from you know these four to five five places especially in a warrior culture if i
00:32:31.340can take it and they can't defend it then cool and that's in our head we may not see the connection0.96
00:32:41.820but vikings are pirates like they are yard they are pirates they are pirates in every sense of0.55
00:32:51.200that word is what the term means but just like pirates if we take a better look at
00:32:58.800some of them have notes of mark and they're actually you know some kind of semi-affiliated
00:33:06.240guerrilla navy for a country that that helps so some of these viking raids are done with
00:33:12.480the blessing of princes or of kings against nations and people that are not their allies
00:33:21.680there's there's a lot of gray area in between there but some of these are just you know going
00:33:27.840out for plunder and seeing what you can get out of it some of them are trading expeditions that
00:33:32.480happen to you know we will also steal some stuff some of them are there's a wide variety but in
00:33:42.480And Scandinavia at that time period, that was a major source of establishing yourself and your family with some degree of prominence, is literally going and winning it with axe and sword and spear.
00:33:58.420It was a dangerous life, and you saw a lot of that in December when we went over Ayo's saga.
00:34:08.100So, as soon as we jumped in the first stanza, we're like, boom. But that's the beauty of these. It's a shorter poem, and having that dialogue, I think, gets a chance for people to get kind of our opinions on these things, and also to, you know, ask those questions.
00:34:32.420so in two he says alone he ate most frequently no one invited he to his repast until weary and
00:34:46.660with failing strength a wandering guest came from the way three in need of drink that way
00:34:56.620worn man and hungry feigned to be with trembling heart he seemed to trust him who had been so evil
00:35:05.980minded so again feigning hunger but yet still he trusts um meet and drink in four to the weary one
00:35:20.960he gave all with upright heart on God. He thought the travelers wants supplied for he felt he was
00:35:33.000an evil doer. So when I made kind of an emphasis on that, because I know the kind of modern talk
00:35:42.260with like the young gen Z or gen alpha, or I don't know which one it is about the whole on God
00:35:49.080um comment but i just found it quite funny but um again there's this moment here now where a guest
00:35:56.840is being brought in and held according to really the ancient customs of hospitality0.99
00:36:02.920and there is apprehension because he is a viking he is a freebooter0.97
00:36:14.060up stood the guest he evil meditated he had not been kindly treated his sin within him swelled0.84
00:36:27.280he while sleeping murdered his weary cautious host so now we see the the weariness and and just
00:36:37.120Basically, one of the big caveats of Christianity coming into the Nordic lands was the emphasis of sin.
00:40:17.320this again because the um uh writing of this is not complete as in they just it didn't survive
00:40:27.480very well um uner and saivalvi never imagined that happiness would fall from them yet naked
00:40:40.760they became and all bereft like wolves and like wolves ran to the forest0.77
00:40:50.760the force of pleasure has many a one bewailed cares are often caused by women0.99
00:40:58.920pernicious they become although the mighty god them pure created so0.97
00:41:06.440this point is like a shifting into the afterlife and one of the key factors that christians brought0.74
00:41:14.600into the um the ousa true world as we we will just say it for ease um is oh you can't take it
00:41:26.360with you you can't take the the money with you um i think this was a huge tactic towards their
00:41:34.360ability to to go towards tithing is that they kind of disassociated wealth with personages
00:41:43.720like person uh or personness i guess is the the best word um they were having a problem
00:41:51.960oh go ahead i was gonna say so a couple of things and and while we're on this
00:41:56.600i think it is very politically charged to say that christianity equals communism
00:42:07.400but it kind of does and it does in a lot of ways in the idea of social level
00:42:14.360so in the sermon on the mount you know it's basically blessed are the the losers as opposed to
00:42:24.600in any european pagan society of the time specifically in aussitrew no blessed are the
00:42:33.400heroes blessed are the winners um but the the population that was first converting to christianity
00:42:42.840wasn't the success even even in a completely uh jewish middle eastern context it wasn't
00:42:49.400the successful Jews. It wasn't the priests. It wasn't the folks that were having success in0.83
00:42:57.580their life. It was the poor, the downtrodden, the slaves, the widows and orphans and people
00:43:04.540who were struggling. And the idea that the least will be made greatest, the idea that it takes
00:43:12.220the underdog and you're saved by faith alone and not by works that none might boast so the idea is
00:43:22.140you get made you know you get enriched and elevated because jehovah decides to bless you
00:43:36.700with good things when he gives you a reward in the afterlife and you know those people that
00:43:46.700have the audacity to be successful in life well he's going to knock them down a peg and they don't
00:43:51.660get to take it with them and it's very contrary to our lore but something to think about that i
00:43:57.740think is interesting so while we're on while we're on the money thing but i do want to mention
00:44:04.860something else but while we're on that our people get a
00:44:13.020silly reaction to money and i think that we inherit that from you know some of the culture
00:44:20.380that brought people to usitru and a lot of that as i've said before is trying to contrast it
00:44:25.500with christianity like oh we see this corruption in the christian church of these pastors that are
00:44:32.220in a lot of in some in some ways that are obvious and particularly offensive to us
00:44:38.620like scamming people out of money and we get this idea in our head that that's bad and money's bad
00:44:45.980and whatever silliness that we have is a reaction to something negative
00:44:52.620one thing that was interesting to me earlier this year when i was reading um the elder gods by
00:44:58.380steven hollington uh what was it bishop opheus in england was getting really grumpy and contrasting
00:45:07.820it because the christians in england weren't tithing and they were being shown up because
00:45:14.140the aussituror were you know competing to be the first guy to bring awesome sacrifices and
00:45:21.340goods to the temple and to to pay their half toller while the christians were you know
00:45:28.700being miserly and not wanting to do that so there's not this idea that christians were
00:45:36.380you know trying to enforce this tithe and that the aussitur didn't
00:45:42.380didn't make religious offerings in terms of goods money and service because they absolutely did
00:45:48.940there's a lot of stuff that we don't know by omission but the existence of a priesthood of
00:45:54.060hoffs and of things we see glimpses of a lot and what we do and it's an ancient term is hoftomer
00:46:01.580that's what supported the gothar and the hoffs and that was a that was a thing and it was
00:46:07.420interesting because we see it so rarely but to see opheus like ah these also true with their
00:46:12.940generous offerings to their gods and and our christians can't you know be bothered to to do
00:46:18.780their part so i don't think that hostility towards money i think that's uh anachronistically laid
00:46:27.020towards the past i don't think that's how it was at all um but also things about the afterlife
00:46:34.220When we hear Christian, very often we think of Latin Catholicism, and we don't realize that early Greek, early Jewish Christianity was very, very different.
00:46:55.200um it talks about how these you know beautiful angels come and like immediately take the soul
00:47:03.220of the dead up to heaven to up to their paradise that's not a bible thing that's like with ezekiel
00:47:13.080with jesus with a very few select people they get a straight route to oh you die
00:47:20.240or don't and we'll just bring you up you know big guys calling you up that's not what most of that
00:47:28.300was most of it was dead the idea of the dead having an afterlife in heaven is a very late
00:47:35.880addition to biblical christianity you see that in terms of like post apocalypse in revelation
00:47:45.340but you don't see that in the jewish lore that's not their tradition the idea of you being elevated
00:47:52.260up to heaven and being brought up by like women because angels in the medieval conception are
00:48:01.440these like beautiful women taking you up to heaven with their wings and whatever
00:48:06.420that is much much more similar to the idea of the the valkyrie than it is to0.60
00:48:15.340You know, the strange like beholder looking monsters manual things that are the Jewish conception of angels.0.74
00:48:25.580So you still you see Christianity starting to take the medieval shape that we're used to during this time of and I say this time of conversion conversion has been going on for probably 700 years, 800 years at this point.0.88
00:48:43.300But you see the transition from the imagery and the appeal to the Semitic mind to the imagery and the appeal to our Aryan mind and specifically the Nordic mind at this point.
00:48:59.500And I think that it's telling and interesting in the ancient world before communication was so instant, your Christianity in Scandinavia is very, very different than the Christianity at Rome.
00:49:18.520And it's worlds different than the Christianity in Constantinople, in Antioch, in the Holy Land, in Ethiopia.
00:49:32.840You have these in Coptic Christians in Egypt.
00:49:35.940You have these different sects of Christianity at the time that look very, very different because of these things.
00:49:43.220Now, yes, the European overlay of Christianity became the predominant one as our folk basically conquered the known world and conquered the ability to spread information and to culturally nominate.
00:49:59.740But when you're judging Christianity in order to do it fairly, and this is what I am very, very thankful to Jehovah's Witnesses for.0.89
00:50:07.140in their interpretation of Christianity versus
00:50:13.440the world, as they would say, but versus paganism, they were very honest brokers.
00:50:24.980Their Christianity is biblical Christianity, and it's not fun, and it's not cool looking,0.88
00:50:29.940and it's not any of those things, to me, perhaps if I was a Middle Eastern Hebrew gentleman,1.00
00:50:38.100I would see it differently, but I'm not. And it made really clear kind of what that
00:50:45.620probably looked like at the time. And so I think in order to judge fairly, as opposed to just
00:50:52.820reacting to what we think is Christianity, if we're going to try to make sure to react against
00:50:59.320it we should react against like actual christianity and not the various
00:51:08.360trans morphing that their ideology took in an appeal to our folk soul a lot of the things and
00:51:15.560i see people and i think this is fair a lot of people are rightly moved by a lot of religious
00:51:21.320imagery that's been presented as christian to them because so many of the reference points
00:51:27.240in it are beautiful they're beautiful because they're not christian they're all of the cool
00:51:34.280stuff now maybe it's not practiced correctly in that way but the imagery the root the meme if you
00:51:42.720will of it comes from our folk soul and i say that everybody's going to have different tastes
00:51:49.080of the stuff that you like but a lot of the things i find our folk are very impressed by
00:51:54.480when they are impressed by Christianity are things that are very un-Christian in a, you know, in a literal sense.
00:52:07.000I noticed in the chat American Farmer had made mention about these, you know, the 30-point reforms to Christianity.
00:52:14.360I think it's worth noting, though, if you go down that pathway, it's best to context.
00:52:20.060um rosenberg was using the gnostic church of the marseillanites and the marseillanites
00:52:28.380their entire um structure was built on completely removing the old testament and
00:52:38.140the problem with modern christians or at least christianity in general is that the establishment
00:52:46.140of a messiah which is not arian at all in any way shape or form um is established in the old
00:52:55.900testament so removing that became problematic and that's why that church was kind of listed
00:53:03.200in the gnostic churches um and was eventually burned out um but i mean i understand you know
00:53:11.720what you're saying but it's worth you know remembering that there's that that heavy caveat
00:53:18.120that if christianity was reformed in that direction um it would in essence be removing
00:53:26.360the spirit of what it entirely is and that's it's a semitic religion i often say over and over again0.51
00:53:34.220And when I when I talk to, you know, very pro-European guys who are Christian online, that they are it is a subsect of Judaism.0.89
00:53:46.520It is pseudo-Judaic. And that goes all the way down to the point of a Messiah.0.89
00:53:53.640um and so that was the one problem that i think rosenberg and a lot of other people that were
00:54:01.300looking at the reformations of christianity and possibilities of where it could go um even
00:54:07.720who was the um christian gnostic who tried to convert the goths um and their view that um the
00:54:18.360rabbi um yeshua was not the s not the same as yahweh but a creation of and you know again there
00:54:30.520was all these different gnostic churches um so i mean even the the simonites who jesus's brother
00:54:38.760and that whole thing is kind of argued started a church in egypt um the gnostic like
00:54:45.560rabbit hole to go down is pretty interesting that's kind of a key theme that we'll run into
00:54:54.040in a lot of this yes if you're trying to make a christianity that's awesome for our people
00:55:04.920then yes as a fact the less christian you make it the better it will be but what i
00:55:14.520so this is an and i'm not um american farmer i'm not aiming this at you that's a really good
00:55:21.640good comment and i'm glad that you made it when i answer some of these things sometimes they feel
00:55:26.080like they're aimed at the poster and they're not they're aimed at the people listening that i see
00:55:30.680a point of similarity in the question or in the comment a lot of people and i've mentioned this
00:55:36.520lot on recent shows weren't raised religiously certainly our european audience it's very doubtful
00:55:45.880they were raised with regular church attendance and regular religious expression in their upbringing
00:55:53.000and we're seeing that like in my day most americans you're kind of at
00:56:01.480if your family wasn't religious you're maybe one step removed from it your your your best friend
00:56:09.880your neighbor was so and that's different different parts of the country you might find yourself in
00:56:16.040but um it's worth it's worth noting so we get we get folks that approach religion from a point of
00:56:26.360atheism as opposed to from position of being a person of faith and the initial kind of forays
00:56:33.880and thought processes are kind of different a lot of young people especially young men
00:56:39.720on the internet whatever that wake up to some of these things they try to strategically plan
00:56:48.840or craft religion because they realize it's important and it should happen and it should
00:56:55.560be a thing but they're not tied to it as being a reality it's like you're picking and choosing
00:57:03.560something on a video game to customize your your and it's not that religion is about truth yes we
00:57:12.680could make up whatever we want to make this cool you know if i wanted to maximize growth or maximize
00:57:22.120this or that or the other i could just make up stuff but that's not religion that's i mean
00:57:33.720it's it's not genuine and there's i i mean there's liars and fraudsters that would do that
00:57:40.120we're very careful not to do this the stuff that we're presenting we believe to be well first the
00:57:44.920stuff that we're presenting is true the particulars of it we genuinely believe to be true or our
00:57:50.520closest understanding of that truth. And it's either real or it's not. Like, yeah, you can
00:57:57.520twist around Christianity to make it better, but that doesn't mean our people, it's not noble for0.87
00:58:07.580our people to give our devotion to a Semitic God that we don't believe is good or ours or
00:58:15.940the right way to go it is right and noble for our people to embrace our gods and rebuild our1.00
00:58:24.040relationship with them in that pursuit of things we know to be true so the machinations it's very
00:58:32.840uncomfortable to jettison something that has had put a layer of paint put a a lens over
00:58:42.820the glories of western civilization for the last thousand years i completely understand that
00:58:50.320so we want to kind of have our cake and eat it too and like no we could still have christianity
00:58:56.020because look at all these amazing um you know pieces of music these beautiful cathedrals these
00:59:02.080works of art this this cultural expansion all of this stuff we don't want to get rid of all that
00:59:08.540so you try so hard to like shave the pieces so you can make the square peg go into the round
00:59:17.900hole ultimately it's the noble thing and it's the courageous thing to say you know no this is wrong
00:59:25.880we're going to go a different way we're going to appreciate the beautiful things about our past
00:59:32.500and what got us here but we're going to break with the things that are bad and wholeheartedly
00:59:37.980embrace the thing that's new you don't you know you don't you don't try to make your ex look like
00:59:50.280the girl that you want to be with like you don't like try to like here you should put on a costume
00:59:56.420like this chick that i'm supposed to be with over here so that i can have the comfort of
01:00:02.360what I'm used to, that's disingenuous to both parties. And it's just kind of the wrong thing
01:00:09.820to do. And you're never going to get what you're actually trying to do. It's just kind of a,
01:00:16.560it's setting yourself up for failure. And it's, you, you live with the incongruence of it
01:00:21.760when you're left alone by yourself and you know, it's not true.
01:00:26.760um i was looking up something so here's an interesting thing um but i don't know at what
01:00:36.820point in christian history um they may have felt about this but one of the interesting
01:00:42.700points about this poem is um one the first seven stanzas are in essence
01:00:51.700about uh kind of uh anonymous or unknown people because then it switches after eight and there
01:01:03.620is no connection between the sleeping guest that is uh overtaken by the uh the ravaging
01:01:11.220um viking or sorry sleeping host overtaken by the viking um guest there's that that actually
01:01:21.400doesn't correlate into the other parts of the poem so in essence it's kind of highlighting sin
01:01:29.520but the overarching thing is that this is a poem about a a father who is deceased
01:01:37.320and is passing on this knowledge to his son how to maintain salvation and i
01:01:44.600you know, I don't know if this is a newer thing, but I remember in Christian teachings growing up
01:01:52.980was that anything outside of God was ungodly, the devil, demons, whatever. But that even too0.99
01:02:01.580conversing with the dead, that each individual soul is concerned with gaining access into
01:02:12.260um sham naim or heaven as they you know translated it to um and getting closer to
01:02:20.300yahweh and it doesn't matter if you're good or not unless you follow precepts or maintain the
01:02:28.280covenant or um accept the rabbi as your uh you know messiah um you don't get in so i find that
01:02:38.620very interesting because the whole premise of the poem is more akin to our way in which you know
01:02:47.980the stories of going and finding the a keyhole into the realm of the ancestors beyond the veil
01:02:56.460and having them glean some wisdom towards us um is what this poem ultimately is about
01:03:03.420i want to say one more thing before we get back into it on promethean josh your point about
01:03:10.020catholicism this is a i don't know a lot to some people an unpopular opinion but it's my sincere
01:03:18.120belief i think that people look back and one of the things that they don't like is the
01:03:23.700broken line of tradition between um the outro of our ancestors and then there's this big gap
01:03:33.280when they there's this man what would that look like today what's the closest
01:03:37.620point of reference that we have and a lot of people go to hinduism to think that that's the
01:03:45.180closest thing to what a evolution of um of also true would have been with the advancements of
01:03:57.780time and i don't think that's the case if we look around for religious tradition of what's most
01:04:05.140similar to original also true i i think that medieval catholicism like pre-vatican ii catholicism
01:04:14.900is a much closer evolution of what that would look like than hinduism yes some of the i realize that
01:04:23.620a lot of hindu tradition and their concept of the gods in a lot of ways goes back to very very ancient
01:04:32.420aryan roots but so much of what they do is completely and totally foreign roman catholicism
01:04:40.740jettisoned so much of the middle easternness of what they're doing and was built so heavily on
01:04:47.300the ability to build on cultural touchstones of our ancestors that is a much closer approximation
01:04:57.380in a lot of ways and i know that makes some folks uncomfortable but i think that
01:05:01.380there's a great deal of truth in it also uh hammer wise um i wanted to say
01:05:10.180mithra slaying the the bull not i think the first one on the list i would even argue
01:05:17.060that those connections of mithras to persia but um the lord thor slaying ye more are you uh you more
01:05:28.340your man gander um or uh sigurd slaying fafnir those would be far more close in the mind
01:05:39.380in relation to um saint michael slaying the dragon then i'm sure mithras was is there um but he had
01:05:48.180more of a mediterranean influence you know when you see that in england when you see that in
01:05:53.460germany and north more likely the connection was to lord thor or to sigurd um than mithras but
01:06:05.140But I'm not saying that it doesn't have its place, but I certainly don't think it's the first on the list.
01:06:13.920And I think that in this day and age, we get a lot of conversation and people will throw like Mithras up there because of his uniqueness and kind of his ground zero with his church and the Christian church kind of coming at the same time.
01:06:30.260But we've got to talk about the imagery and all of that stuff that our ancestors really keyed in on when they saw like St. Michael slaying the dragon.
01:06:42.480The stories of their people were, I think, more ground zero to them than perhaps the obscure religion of Mithras in Rome that didn't survive like Christianity did, especially after Constantinople.
01:07:02.920Um, you know, cause we have it so firmly or the Slavs with, uh, Velez and Perun, Velez coming up as the serpent and Perun's like striking him down or Hercules, um, fighting the Hydra.
01:07:21.740Um, there's just so many, um, Aryan examples of the warrior fighting the serpent.
01:07:29.580him um i just wanted to point that out um so we see it kind of shift and there might be some
01:07:44.460connection to it some people have thought that the the two people that are named in these stanzas
01:07:50.400are the two people um in the first seven stanzas and i was actually i was looking up something as
01:08:00.960well because the name owner um i don't know if it has can be used in both genders in icelandic
01:08:11.440I don't know if the spelling makes it different, but my grandmother's name was Unur.
01:08:22.120And so I don't know, actually, about the Old Norse name and whether or not it was specific to a gender.
01:16:16.940but from that anguish rose hate intense between faithful friends hostile deeds are in most places
01:16:29.640fiercely avenged to the home they went for that fair woman and each one found his death
01:16:39.700arrogance should should no one entertain it i indeed have seen that those who follow her
01:16:48.600for the most part turn from god so first off yeah the two friends and there's a woman
01:16:57.280in between them that's pretty fast to say um but the the biggest part is home uh again
01:17:06.240And some of you might be familiar with it, with Holm Ganga, or Holm Ganga, the dueling system of our ancestors at this time, where hazel rods would be placed over a stitched skin so there was no place for them to go.
01:17:27.040And if they left it, it was defeat and disgrace. So many adids are committed against each other to the point where a duel is made. And then, you know, this kind of arrogance, which again, the words that are used in the Old Norse are very interesting.0.99
01:17:47.980Now I'm like, kind of like bookmarking things in my, uh, in my book. Um, and then there's another interesting point too, is the usage of the word Filchia, uh, where it says, um, I have seen that those who follow her, um, for the most part turn from God.0.57
01:18:11.860and the following part of course filca you utilized and it's it's more common sense the
01:18:18.340following of something um and that is why that soul part is named such as it follows um but again
01:18:28.420it's just more or less restating kind of common things i think these things were not seen as good
01:18:39.780amongst our ancestors pre-christianity um depending on what was done uh you know that
01:18:50.740the anguish rose hate intense between faithful friends because of hostile deeds certain deeds
01:19:00.020bring about these things but i think ultimately what the christian is trying to say is lust lust
01:19:08.180for a woman um against a friend but again i don't think it's well for us to look at it as
01:19:17.140our ancestors saw that as okay um so this might be redundant in the moral spectrum um
01:19:28.740so what's not redundant is celebrating our folks that donate on victory never sleeps
01:19:34.820alzzy coleman miller the fourth bought us three coffees hail odin hail victory
01:19:42.520hail victory um and we appreciate that a lot also thank you uh
01:19:50.500jared in virginia donated eighty dollars to njortz off thank you jared we appreciate that
01:19:58.660and russ in georgia donated a hundred dollars to njortz off thank you so much rush
01:20:03.720but russ we appreciate it and uh your other appreciates as well and i'm sure
01:20:11.000uh yeah thank you guys appreciate you guys being generous
01:20:15.080yeah and a lot of uh folks who have given numerous times and new folks giving as well
01:20:23.480um again the poem switches to other people so now you can kind of see how this poem is written
01:20:35.480it's snapshots of moral um i guess paradigms um and uniquely it comes from a christian
01:20:48.680who is of a people who were who still are in certain places um also through and uh or that
01:21:00.200the culture is like in this flux state that that middle point um so that's what really makes this
01:21:08.120poem interesting so 16. rich were both raudny and veybowy and thought only of their well-being
01:21:23.480now they sit and turn their sores to various hearths they in themselves confided and thought
01:21:34.200themselves alone to be above all people but their lot almighty god was pleased otherwise to a point
01:21:44.360a life of luxury they led in many ways and had gold for sport now they are acquitted
01:21:52.040so that they must walk between frost and fire
01:21:58.280so one of the things that i've heard about this just the description of this is that
01:22:04.200it's been interpreted as to be kind of like a dante's inferno in which um perhaps the the father
01:22:14.120is speaking of people he has seen uh in the afterlife you know suffering according to the
01:22:23.720christian worldview um but ultimately too this this part here is speaking of exactly what i was
01:22:33.480was talking about is um the feigning of wealth and the idea that wealth is bad you can't take
01:22:44.520it with you god doesn't you know what is what's the term um mammon will not get you into heaven
01:22:54.040um and mammon is gold or i can't remember the translation but um yeah this whole you know
01:23:03.240money means nothing in the end your covenant with yahweh is the only thing that matters
01:23:09.160and your money your riches um doing well for yourself will get you no uh better spot um
01:23:22.120and you see this again and again i i used to joke and say that like i would write soul
01:23:29.000s-o-u-l socialism socialism because it does kind of have this concept of keeping the mindset
01:23:39.400in a certain way do they apply that certainly not i i think that there are many rich christians who
01:23:45.800again kind of work their way around this um kind of like actors to their political religion
01:23:52.920they end up you know uh paying alms in a way that they can feel forgiven for being so blessed or
01:24:03.520being so um what's the word um uh not fortunate but where the yeah they have privilege they have
01:24:14.360such a privilege so they end up having to you know pay up in order to absolve their privilege
01:24:20.920um and in this way it's already here even in this time frame in the uh you know the year like 1200
01:24:29.760um so I just I find that kind of funny as well um so 19 to thy enemies trust thou never although
01:24:41.980they speak thee fair promise them good tis good to have another's injury as a warning
01:28:36.460feigned themselves friends while they together drank but then came forth their guile then
01:28:45.020afterwards on the second day when they in re let me see the old norse in rigyardal in rigyardal
01:28:57.500rode they with swords wounded him who sackless was and let his life go forth so this is a robbery
01:29:09.980the the part sackless is to be without um you know provisions or backpack or any sort of
01:29:18.140you know wealth um so they got to know him drank with him made friends with him found out perhaps
01:29:28.700where he was going then rode after him robbed him and he really had nothing um
01:29:39.180His corpse they dragged on a lonely way and cut up piecemeal into a well.
01:29:50.780And would it hide, but the Holy Lord beheld from heaven.
01:29:57.460His soul summoned home the true God into his joy to come.
01:30:04.040But the evildoers will, I wean, late be from torments called.
01:30:11.580So the one that was robbed will be saved by the Christian God.
01:30:24.240Because he beholds from heaven, which this isn't a concept that's foreign.
01:30:29.740I mean, we clearly speak of this with Lord Heimdallet.
01:30:34.040and how he sees from heaven and has one foot in the middle world
01:30:40.120and one foot in the upper world, and that he takes note immediately.
01:30:45.180And that, of course, too, there are other machinations of the gods
01:30:48.920in order to collect the information flowing through the middle world.
01:30:53.780And ultimately, Lord Odin drinks from the well of memory,
01:30:58.000so everything that happens will flow there.
01:31:01.500Um, but I think it's more interesting to say that the soul of the evildoers, um, have an opportunity to save themselves, but the poet thinks most likely they won't.
01:31:20.340So that again, brings in the whole of, um, forgiveness, even for evil deeds.
01:31:28.400Uh, and you see this nowadays so often with parents who have their children slain or, um, uh, you'll see it with, you know, absolute, just monstrous, um, murderers.
01:31:45.300And then they, you know, spend some time in jail or they're on death row and they say, oh, well, you know, I'm forgiven. I've accepted the rabbi Joshua into my heart and I am, I'm going to make it.
01:32:03.460um so you kind of already see that being and then immediately it shifts over into this second
01:32:14.020part it makes mention of the dc and i think that's really important because the dc
01:32:23.060for a lot of folks coming into alsatru when they come from a heavy sense of kind of worshiping and
01:32:30.580placating yahweh um and loving you know the human connection with rabbi joshua um they get
01:32:41.860they get like kind of a the the good feeling of relating to a human being that suffered
01:32:49.380and at the same time they they must placate the um you know the mountain guy um
01:32:56.900And the de-seer, I think, were one of those things that survived well into Christianity because of their connection to our ancestral lines, the idea of ancestral blood and spirits of our past, the assigned guardians of the bloodlines.
01:33:21.420I wonder, actually reading this makes me want to look up when exactly kind of the, I don't know, the Christian kind of refuting that even gaining, you know, message or guidance from the dead was immediately, you know, demonized or
01:33:51.420condemned because it doesn't seem to be the case initially uh during these conversion times
01:33:59.920i mean it was condemned back in jewish times though that was one of the things in like
01:34:06.840necromancy yeah like the the witch of indoor i think did that in the in the old testament
01:34:14.560i wonder was there a difference between receiving guidance from your ancestors versus
01:34:20.940you know conjuring up to speak to the dead like willful versus non-willful i'm not saying i know
01:34:32.960i'm just wondering if there's basically i mean there's like the i forget what it's called there's
01:34:39.020like the transmutation where it's like jesus is talking to dead prophets or whatever in that one
01:34:48.060passage other than that the idea of the overlay of like life after death isn't really a biblical
01:35:01.820thing it's after the resurrection then the resurrected people at that point get to exist
01:35:12.620but there's like this stasis and any kind of interaction with ancestors and any ancestral cult
01:35:20.860is super forbidden um and i think that's a common thing amongst any kind of
01:35:30.940indigenous religion is that unbroken celebration and interaction and worship of ancestors and heroes
01:35:39.180and that's part of the revolutionary aspect of um abrahamic religion is the the cutting off
01:35:49.320and the separation of that again in europe we've overlaid pagan aussitrew concepts over it so you
01:35:58.900have this like the good dead people are in heaven and you can interact with them the bad ones are
01:36:04.840hell and you can't or whatever but that's not it's not how it's laid out in the bible
01:36:14.680uh what was the term that you said there was something about buying a sword and everybody
01:36:20.200thinks it's such a based quote but it's talking about what you're talking about the um
01:36:25.560um like go not and buy a sword and then it but then it speaks about severing your ties with
01:36:35.880your father and your mother and your brothers I didn't you know what's it uh it said to bring
01:36:45.000peace but I say no I came not to bring peace but a sword to separate and then a various like
01:36:55.560familiar different family relations i'm here to never bring that part up
01:37:00.760um and i think that's part of it it's like you don't draw strength from the dead
01:37:07.080you don't draw strength from it's just you slog through you give everything that you have
01:37:14.680completely prostrate to jehovah and then by that devotion he'll like grant you cool stuff
01:37:27.120in the afterlife but even that the cool stuff's pretty lame in revelation the cool stuff is
01:37:33.200you get the amazing afterlife of you get a crown but then you're supposed to immediately give the
01:37:40.140crown back and put it at the feet of god and i think you have a never-ending concert of singing
01:37:48.760about like you sing like christian rock around the throne of jehovah for eternity and you're just
01:37:56.980like jamming out with like david koresh and whoever else you guys are just like rocking out there
01:39:54.020the weeping thou shalt sooth with benefits
01:39:58.940That is salutary to the soul. So a couple of things with that one is perhaps the word desir is being implanted in.
01:40:12.440As Asiragothi said, there was a transference. The angels of Christianity really come from Greece, Rome, and Etruscan in their religious concepts of the prayers.
01:40:32.820prayers taking form and going to the gods as winged um beings is consistent throughout all
01:40:43.900three of those and so that became the very same thing in the mindset after christianity instead
01:40:53.300of um i heard you you mentioned the monster manual and the beholders um which was that's awesome um
01:41:04.240uh of these kind of ancient abrahamic um angels and their and their their hierarchy is insane um
01:41:17.060they uh perhaps are again linking the idea of these angels being more feminine i think
01:41:26.400it's interesting because now i think a lot of christians are making them a draw androgynous
01:41:32.320but it was clearly feminine especially when you look at the artwork of um early christianity
01:41:41.200The angels had a tendency to be women, except for key angels like Mikael or I believe it's Azazel or Ariel.
02:10:36.520Would Odin be within his right to step in?
02:10:39.940I may be thinking too literal about it,
02:10:42.320but just a general thought on the jurisdiction of the gods and goddesses if you could thanks
02:10:49.360swan what are your thoughts so one thing um i'm glad that you acknowledge that like perhaps
02:10:56.880you're thinking too literally about this um because it shows a sense of reflection um again
02:11:05.440me and i was here ago they have heard people uh postulate very strange questions but then
02:11:12.880the worst part is is that they admit that they actually like fully believe it um the protein
02:11:19.200intake of of lord thor or what have you and it's um it's it's wild but what you're ultimately
02:11:26.800talking about is the regency of the iser and the gods and i think it's always worth noting that
02:11:38.560from lore and it's worth remembering that the gods are gods and they can do godly things and i do not
02:11:47.920know the entirety and the scope of what those godly things are but if we if we look at the lore
02:11:55.120and we look at kind of what the stories that have been passed down to us by our ancestors says
02:12:01.800there is one thing that's worth noting is when the gods gather to meet meet out or to measure
02:12:11.140out the doom or the judgment of men they gather in heaven at the third root of Yggdrasil and there
02:12:20.240is a there is a well there and the nornir are there so time the source of all time is flowing out
02:12:29.200um from there and they are in essence enacting their will into the very fabric of existence
02:12:39.120and i think that in essence they're all there um combined with this so an understanding of
02:12:51.160what's happening is an understanding across the board uh if lord othen wanted to step in for any
02:12:57.780reason i'm you know we've seen even bits of lore where that is spoken um but the view that i take
02:13:08.200personally of the gods is that through that well this symbolic language of mythos is that
02:13:14.960they gather there to witness us as we live and to meet out judgments in certain ways i do not
02:13:22.980think that they're directly responsible for uh perhaps you know like just death in general
02:13:30.040um because all things must die so it's it's coming eventually um but their interaction is
02:13:39.900kind of like them pressing their finger on the the skein of the well i mean that's why our
02:13:47.760pouring mead into the bowl is so important it or speaking over the horn and into the mead is that
02:13:58.060that top surface of the liquid is this kind of transitional point and by them making these ripples
02:14:07.180they're in essence inserting their will upon um the manifestation of of time and fate and um
02:14:18.220they would see that um and interact with that um
02:14:23.340Um, outside of them, I don't know, with Ayr. Ayr is, of course, the Jotun of the primordial sea, and the gods go and connect with Ayr, in essence, placing their regency and dominion upon the most primordial thing that is on Ymir's body, which is the ocean.
02:14:51.340Uh, I think the animals reflect that with, um, the animals that are even older than some trees, um, on the surface. So they consistently go there and, um, work that, but Ayur was not prayed to for benefit. He was prayed to for appeasement.
02:15:13.160And so I wonder, I mean, if that is to happen, perhaps they already see the outcome or the folding layers of all threads meet.
02:15:26.820Um, but I don't think that it is a matter of, um, kind of a popularity or, um, a voting. It's this, again, this culmination of action that the gods are involved in, um, to where as this giant rope of all things interacting is being wound, um, there are effects and, and what have you.
02:15:54.920And, you know, the gods, I think, see the whole of that rope, whereas we are only thinking of these tiny, minute sections.
02:16:05.840And I think in that we get lost and think that the, you know, the gods are going to just step in in a regular sense.
02:17:44.700I mean, we see our gods taking sides in battles between mortals on really rare occasions, specifically in the Norse material.
02:18:01.820I think we see, you know, Odin and Frigg doing that about the Langevardi, but that's not a common motif and a common thing, the idea that they are unified.
02:18:17.500And then also the idea that the other gods treat the All-Father with deference lends me to think that the Isir specifically wouldn't, you know, try to battle him on the fate of a mortal about whatever.
02:18:36.360But I don't think that's typically how things work.
02:18:39.400And I say that, I mean, we ask the protection of our gods when we go on journeys. We ask that we do a wayfarer's bloat at events to ask that people return safe. We ask our gods for help in everyday life stuff a lot.
02:18:58.040But how much a role that plays is up to them, certainly.
02:19:10.200I try to, you know, praise it as just a personal little ritual thing I do when planes taken off on a trip.
02:19:22.100i hail each of the gods um i hope that they see me through safe to my destination but less than
02:19:35.740that i want you know if something were not to go right i'd like for within the last you know
02:19:42.980within the last period of my life for those to be some of the last things that i said and made
02:19:49.240point of doing was honoring them you know as i'm about to go on a journey so you know in a similar
02:19:56.840way that i'm going on a trip i make sure to tell my wife and my and my daughter that i love them
02:20:01.800and stuff because you never know what happens um i think the gods certainly favor people with
02:20:11.400blessings that they want to achieve things or that it's beneficial to put some luck behind
02:20:20.120but i don't think it's you know i don't think they sit up there and and just
02:20:26.280send out hits on certain people that get greenlit because they dumped toxic waste in the
02:20:35.000in the ocean but i i get it we all have those thoughts and we all think those things so i'm not
02:20:40.440trivializing the question i think we've all thought those things but i don't think it's quite that i
02:20:46.920don't think it works quite that way and i think one of the things about order versus chaos is i
02:20:52.600don't think that the icr get in petty squabbles amongst one another in that way i think that
02:21:02.120when you're dealing with icr as opposed to jotnar or something else then there's more at play there
02:21:09.240But a lot of that is impossible for us to meaningfully parse what's here or there on.
02:21:21.860But, yeah, I know that's kind of a non-answer, but it's, I think, honestly, probably the best that we have.
02:21:33.060I was just going to say, just to reemphasize again, that it is said in Grimnismal and in the Volospow and in the Gilfogining that the gods gather to counsel, to meet in tribunal.
02:21:54.260they meet forth to give judgment to men in heaven. And it's very important because we don't believe
02:22:03.420that everything we're going to do is going to meet in a trial in the afterlife. And the gods
02:22:12.260are going to measure our heart with a feather and our philchia is like a lawyer who's trying to run
02:22:19.000defense no the gods are witnessing us now because the gods are involved in many things of the mortal
02:22:27.160and middle worlds whether it's uh the natural forces cosmic forces um they're at play with the
02:22:37.000entirety of all the movement including you know again we asked for them to witness our lives and
02:22:45.240when the gods do gather together every day as the lore states around the well of urd in heaven
02:22:53.400they leave ausgarth the the the enclosed capsulated castles of heaven or and they come down
02:23:04.360to where ignorance still stands in the center of heaven and underneath it is a is a well and
02:23:12.680And they sit in their chairs and they meet out to the doom.
02:23:17.320What does that translate to is, to me is, again, they move to the circulatory center of all things.
02:23:25.580And from here, they can adjudicate into the world below through the well.
02:23:33.400And as they touch that skein of water, the ripples are made and the effects are held.
02:23:41.140And then we, in turn, are gifting to them so they can see us, witness us, and bear those deeds.
02:23:49.640We don't see them as being these afterlife adjudicators.
02:23:54.520They don't go down into the underworld where it's really hard to go, according to the lore.
02:24:01.300um because you know and balder is there and lord odin sneaks past into these
02:24:08.340kind of places far away from order and um you know to have it stated that you know they just
02:24:17.080go down there and then they'll you know and and and that would foster a reality amongst the
02:24:23.360Ausatruhr, that you must build your case for the afterlife. Every deed you do good and every deed
02:24:32.080you do bad has to be measured up in that final case with your Filchia, you know, that's got the0.86
02:24:40.380cigarette and the loose tie and is trying to make it all work out and figure out how it's gonna,0.97
02:24:45.020you know, I got a tough defense here. No, we don't, I don't think that that's
02:24:51.560the way, the way is that the gods are witnessing us now. And when we do fall, then our, um,
02:25:00.060our soul, you know, goes to pieces and, uh, the correct pieces fall into each other and move on
02:25:09.000to the next, uh, really the, the true, uh, admittance into and over the bridge into the
02:25:16.280safe place that is on that other side that safe haven where the souls reside is the ancestors
02:25:24.600themselves because it's not specifically stated that hell has that admittance but that mavguv
02:25:32.440is standing there making sure you're either allowed to go to your ancestors
02:25:37.560or you must take the road that takes you to gyo and sleeve um i think it's also worth noting in
02:25:44.200ale saga when he says that he has been uh you know uh doomed or that it was it was uh broken of him
02:25:53.400the troth with lord othen i think that this is a warrior's lament see and i think it goes that he
02:26:01.960is a warrior he has been in every battle and never shied away from it and he is not taken in battle
02:26:09.800so that he can grow older have a wife have children and feel this great sorrow of losing
02:26:22.280his son so the warrior lament of not being chosen in battle is one of the big points of um
02:26:31.400al saga and i really identify with this i went into war when i was in the marine corps with the
02:26:39.780express purpose of making myself available to be chosen that was my that was the entire mental
02:26:52.400uh weight of my time in iraq was i never shied away from combat always moved forward
02:27:00.860And if I was to be chosen by Lord Odin, I would be chosen. And then on your way back, you're like, why wasn't I chosen? And again, the machinations of Lord Odin are bigger than perhaps the simple heavy metal wants and desires of young men.
02:27:20.800Um, and I think that this is kind of lending to that, that the true point of it is, is that he was not chosen and that he lived and that he was feeling a sorrow that he would be never having to experience if he was simply chosen in battle.
02:27:38.540I think that's one of the big things about that, um, stanza that really sticks out to me.
02:28:01.440Late I came, though called betimes, to the supreme judge's door.
02:28:08.420Thither word I yearn, for it was promised me, he who craves it shall of the feast partake.
02:28:18.680Again, this is pretty straightforward.
02:28:20.120Christian rhetoric that I have come to want Jehovah or Yahweh's heavenly abode. And if I yearn for it, I was promised that I could partake in that feast. But again, the language is very interesting.
02:28:39.900They're clearly holding, um, Nordic and Germanic concepts of hospitality and entering at the door and partaking in the feast. Um, there is no Saint, uh, Simon, or as most people know him as Peter, um, waiting at pearly gates, et cetera.
02:29:00.360So it adapts in order to soak up the cultures it's in.
02:29:08.64030. Sins are the cause that sorrowing we depart from this world.
02:34:12.080so the it almost feels like there was a uh poet who converted or perhaps the child of a convert
02:34:25.520who was keeping the poetic style alive and had learned the measure but was creating
02:34:32.520kind of a shaky have a molly uh attempt and it turned into this it was just not very well
02:34:46.380ordered um very very splotchy now this could also be on the people recording it saimander
02:34:54.540um and the sources that he was getting could have been very choppy as well but it's just one of
02:35:02.020those poems and again a lot of people might be thinking like what does the suns it's the soul
02:35:08.660uh solio what does it have to do it's actually mentioned later on but briefly and um
02:35:15.760yeah it's it's just awkward but it's also kind of like again you're seeing these comparisons
02:35:23.980between the old uh belief and this new foreign belief you're seeing direct interpolations from
02:35:32.860the halvamal and um ultimately at the end though it kind of falls short of you know i guess what
02:35:41.020it's attempting to do or perhaps this was like a kind of a practice poem um for a uh post conversion
02:35:50.700um scald um 33 and then it shifts to it's chapter 3 33 of that i will speak now happy i was in the
02:36:06.460world and secondly how the sons of men reluctantly become corpses
02:36:11.700now i think this is the death cult stuff shining through here
02:36:16.70034. Pleasure and pride deceive the sons of men who after money crave. Shining riches at last become a sorrow. Many have riches driven to madness.
02:36:33.86035. Steeped in joys I seemed to men, for little did I see before me, our worldly sojourn has the Lord created in delights abounding.
02:36:46.700so you know crave not money crave not riches the good lord has created a world of abundance
02:36:58.540beyond money um i think too this might be also speaking to the time
02:37:06.540um the minting of money in the mainland of europe drew a lot of attention from from the nords
02:37:14.700to come down and make you know money and build power where they were at and i think that's you
02:37:25.780know a common thing for everyone all over um and i think that again the the nordic people knew that
02:37:33.180the world was full of bounty outside of gold um to coax it out of the land and out of the world
02:37:43.080um in the north was not always an easy task um and that's not mentioned um unless i guess you
02:37:51.040moved to the holy land but even then you know you got your problems there um i think that our
02:37:57.900ancestors understood that it's just again there's a call to dropping your money letting go of your
02:38:05.360wealth and um you know learning of the bounty of the world and the best way to do that is to
02:38:13.840give your entirety over to jehovah i think that's a common theme that we see even to today
02:38:21.760um 36 bowed down i sat long i tottered of life was most desirous but he prevailed
02:38:36.500who was all powerful onward are the ways of the doomed
02:38:41.400so again doom in that sense is judgment
02:38:51.700um it's oftentimes used in the same way that the word like evil and ill is used and it may have
02:38:59.660different contexts in our language now but um yeah so ever onward are those to be judged
02:39:07.560and it is better you know to prostrate yourself to bow down and give unto yourself in worship to0.66
02:39:15.480to yahweh um because you will not escape the inevitable of death
02:39:22.480um 37 the cords of hell were tightly bound round my sides i would rend them but they were strong0.82
02:39:32.860tis easy free to go i alone knew how on all sides my pains increased the maids of hell
02:39:41.740each eve with horror bade me to their home. The sun I saw, true star of day, sink in its roaring
02:39:53.960home, but hell's grated doors on the other side I heard heavily creaking. The sun I saw with blood
02:40:04.680red beans beset fast was i then from this world declining mightier she appeared in many ways
02:40:14.520than she was before so in these last four it's it's very interesting but also worth noting
02:40:21.400the usage of the word hell and the concepts of the way our ancestors saw things i've spoken about how
02:40:29.880our ancestors saw the gods as being atop and surrounded by clouds and light they they see
02:40:39.640the gods as as not necessarily just simply floating above but are kind of in this higher place
02:40:47.640um of mountains and that um they were in the center of the world um but were above and that
02:40:56.520again lends to um you know the the the true thinking of where our ancestors were is that
02:41:04.920the gods are in the center and above um how they conceptualize that again with the mountains and
02:41:10.840what have you other people think of mount olympus or or what have you um but in this case hell is
02:41:18.280always associated with death and the processes of death so the binding of the ropes and cords
02:41:26.680of fate around the body pulling one towards death and that is you know very
02:41:36.440ausa through in the sense of um the the the poetics of uh of it in in relation to other
02:41:44.520references is that yes death is that that last and calling process that is you know brought about by
02:41:55.160her hell and it's spelled this way with hell or hell um so that means the you know the actual
02:42:05.960being hell um the maidens of hell was an interesting um point there but i don't think
02:42:14.680there's much um brought about that that i mean that i can think of outside of here but again
02:42:23.080her you know her grated door is heavily creaking it's opening up and hell is is um
02:42:31.240calling so i wonder too if this christian was um at a time where christianity did not have the
02:42:40.200the fire and brimstone afterlife because they've changed their afterlife so many times um and so
02:42:48.840in this case it's very much like if the romans who were becoming christians would simply associate
02:42:56.920hades with that place and that always happens because the initial view was how close you were
02:43:08.200to yahweh the farther away you were bad closer to good and i mean it even got to the point where the
02:43:16.760jews had different last names and that meant like your it was like the equivalency of your rose
02:43:23.000preceding to yahweh like the the levites were the closest and then the cohen's were second0.81
02:43:29.400and so on and so forth um and that just transferred over when the jews that were
02:43:37.000of the early christian church started converting um greeks and romans they would do the same thing
02:43:44.040but now it was god is not in hades but hades is still kind of the same as the way they were taught
02:43:54.120and so i think this is kind of very much the same case um the uh the fire and brimstone stuff
02:44:02.040really did come a lot later and the argument of whether or not hell was a different place
02:44:08.360and um which satan was the satan like there was a lot of different hasatons um i think it was
02:44:18.600mentioned in the chat chat that like cleared it up for me that um asrael was the the angel of death
02:44:25.400but azazel was a fallen moloch um and uh you know there's cases of them praying to both actually i
02:44:36.280I know that there was a tradition in which they would place their sins into a goat and place the goat out into the desert.0.91
02:44:43.800And that the claiming of Azazel would absolve them of their sins that way.
02:44:56.460So you can kind of see this part here.
02:44:59.620He's speaking much about the judgment of God.
02:45:05.640and you notice there's not a lot of jesus talk it's a lot of um the judgment of god but then
02:45:13.160when revert to hell in the end like the dark and and the underneath and the opposite it immediately
02:45:21.000reverts back to what he would culturally know um that predated the insert of question um
02:45:36.600Yeah, even referring to the sun as she, mightier she appeared.
02:45:44.58041. The sun I saw and it seemed to me as if I saw a glorious God.
02:45:50.860I bowed before her for the last time in the world of men.
02:45:57.06042. The sun I saw, she beamed forth so that I seemed nothing to know.
02:46:03.520but gyo's streams roared from the other side mingled much with blood so i've spoken about it
02:46:13.140that when you know when we die the access to our ancestors comes first and foremost with the guardian
02:46:19.960of the bridge who is movguth and if we are denied access then we must take the trail that leads us
02:46:27.600to gyo first because there are two rivers that we cross over and gyo means it survives in our
02:46:35.600language with the word yelp um it means to cry out so he's referencing lore um of his cultural
02:46:47.120and familial and people's religion while also speaking of this new religion
02:46:55.360that's coming in and this is very specific um but gill streams roared from the other side
02:47:04.360mingled much with blood 43 i the sun i saw with quivering eyes appalled and shrieking from my
02:47:12.680heart in great measure was dissolved in languor 44 the sun i saw seldom sadder i had then almost
02:47:24.120from the world declined my tongue was as would become and all was cold within me so now we start
02:47:31.400to shift towards an ausatruer concept of death in the in the difference is it's not about
02:47:42.280prostrating here for a better afterlife but in this i mean and again it's very very clear where
02:47:51.000he's getting all of this is that life is good. The sun upon your skin, the wind, the ocean,
02:47:59.160the touch of a loved one, all of these things are great and powerful. And that death is about
02:48:08.820separating from a lot of the great gifts that we have here, that we enter into the realm beyond
02:48:16.860the veil and there are i believe great pleasures there and i and i mean that in not in any sort of
02:48:24.140degenerate sense but like that there is that interconnectivity to be able to you know speak
02:48:30.780and interconnect with the you know our ancestors and to learn their side of things with with no um
02:48:38.860barriers between us like in life and and so on and so forth and experience those great
02:48:44.540great understanding and connected this to them and to again place our part of the story in it
02:48:52.520um and to be considered one of them to not get you know uh barred um and to speak on behalf of
02:49:02.900the living to speak about and and hold counsel to and say and speak of um who we uh were with
02:49:12.680and uh where we went and what we experienced and to tell the ancestors and to kind of um
02:49:22.360stand as representatives from the from the middle world is really important so we see this happening
02:49:30.120um here um and again the difference between now you'll hear christians speak of like hellfire
02:49:38.040and brimstone and heat in this underworld sense but he's talking about the stiffness of his tongue
02:49:45.240and the coldness which is always why um helgard and niflheim and death itself is observed as the
02:49:56.360stiffening the cold and the bleakness of separation from the joys and the treasure of living that life
02:50:05.400is good and um that separating from it is is sad um it should not be um
02:50:16.600i i don't think it should be feared but i think it's it's something that is worth missing um
02:50:23.000otherwise it wouldn't be precious so that that emphasis of of life i think is shining through
02:50:30.680the sun i saw never after since that gloomy day for the mountain waters closed over me
02:50:38.600and i went called from torments so the light and the living and the joys of life are swallowing him
02:50:51.020up in death he becomes stiff he becomes cold and he traverses the long road and he sees the river
02:50:58.380gyol um with with much blood and again the we've spoken about rivers and how they are the liminal
02:51:07.420spaces between the realms um and they they border realms they flow from realms we have the you know
02:51:17.100the 11 rivers that flow from heaven and border that land and then there are the rivers here
02:51:23.420and there are the rivers um in the underworld um that again kind of create borders through these
02:51:31.180spaces so once he passes through he's saying you know the joys of life are gone for me and um i'm
02:51:39.340you know inexorably crossing over um you know i i no mention of garn which i you know interesting
02:51:50.940No mention of Nipah's cave or the cave dwelling, the hole in which, you know, is mentioned in the Volospow and in the Gilbeginning as the place in which the dead must traverse.
02:52:03.920But all of that really is mythical or mythos language, symbolic of the arduous journey of death and the wake of which death leaves in the middle world.
02:52:21.060um but to attain your ancestors at the end to cross that bridge and to go beyond the veil and
02:52:31.740go beyond the hall of the calamity of man the very thing that breaks everything down and there
02:52:38.860to be in the halls where is bedecked you know with gold and that is where lord baldur is and
02:52:47.520nana and um hodur and all of the ancestors and all of the barriers that kept us from understanding
02:52:57.520or you know the things that we experience um dissolve away and we become kind of you know
02:53:05.500connected um in a way to better understand the life that we just lived um i think it's quite
02:53:14.340Beautiful and poetic, but to get there, naturally, seen as what it is.
02:53:56.200the creator god can it estimate and know he who made heaven and earth how forsaken many go hence
02:54:06.980although from kindred aparted so now this is kind of like i'm laying in my bed and i
02:54:17.960have this epiphany and the epiphany says that this god is speaking the truth that man and earth are
02:54:29.140the same and that many are forsaken in sin and that each person is responsible for their own soul
02:54:38.600um despite you know the words and the deeds of their kinsmen etc um
02:54:46.540of his works each day has the reward happy is he who does good of my wealth bereft to me was
02:54:56.980destined a bed strewn with sand again another another mark of don't build wealth because you
02:55:05.740can't take it with you there's this kind of attack on that never mind like passing it down to your
02:55:11.220kinfolk and your children and etc but you know as i'm reading this the comment that you said
02:55:17.220elsewhere that it is kind of like this you know communistic way of thinking is kind of
02:55:22.980really hitting home right now because they keep banging that drum um
02:55:30.100um 50 bodily desires men oftentimes seduce of them has many a one too much
02:55:41.440water of baths was of all things to me most loathsome
02:55:47.800um that's interesting that shift between the desires of men
02:55:58.000um oftentimes seduce um i don't know if this is like an allegoric to
02:56:06.560um perhaps sharing the love of someone else who's been of the love of a lot of other people or
02:56:18.680um you know again or something is shared um so he's comparing the seductions
02:56:28.400or the things that seduce men is like a bath that has been uh used by many people
02:56:38.200um so now we shift again and here we see another gleaning sense of ausa through where he says 51
02:56:52.440in the norns seat nine days i sat thence i was mounted on a horse there the giantess's sun
02:57:02.560shown grimly through the dripping clouds of heaven so the norn seat or stool uh nornastoli um
02:57:13.600again you know uh i don't think this is literal but perhaps seeing from fate or speaking of the
02:57:25.200the stoli that the gods sit upon to mete out judgment um that i mean i don't know i don't know
02:57:35.500where he is going with this but it does again meet reference to and another understanding of
02:57:44.140our cosmos is our ancestors did see the gods in that upper place in the mountains and that the
02:57:50.880sun that went up and over uh was shared by the vanir was shared by the icier was shared by the
02:57:59.440by uh the jotens and that's why they have different names for for the sun um is again
02:58:07.840lending to that um so they did not see us as like being kind of this marshmallow in the middle of a
02:58:15.840tree um and that the gods are in the top of the tree and all of the wells are in the bottom of
02:58:22.160the tree uh that doesn't really track a lot um so in 52 without and within i seemed to traverse
02:58:34.240all the seven nether worlds up and down i sought an easier way where i might have the readiest paths
02:58:45.840now i think at this point too what most likely is being spoken of
02:58:53.920is the worlds in and of themselves as we talk about the nine worlds um but this would then
02:59:01.200include specifically the heavenly realm it would exclude leo's alfheim and it would exclude um
02:59:09.200heaven via ausgarther so but the rest of the worlds he's traversing them um
02:59:19.840you know unless there's i mean because there really isn't a mention of the realms below
02:59:26.240specifically in the number seven i mean there's clearly neither of the smart alvar and there's
02:59:33.920niflheim and there's hell guard but these are hell guard is an encapsulated place within niflheim
02:59:41.360just as ausgarther is an encapsulated place within heaven um so again
02:59:51.600um 53 of that is to be told which i first saw when i too to the worlds of torment came
03:00:00.480Scorched birds, which were souls, flew numerous as flies.
03:00:08.020From the west I saw Vaughn's dragon fly, and Gleival's paths obscure.
03:00:16.860Their wings they shook, wide around me seemed the earth and the heaven to burst.
03:00:22.380now that is interesting because the translation here to
03:00:29.420uh vaunar v-a-n-a-r vaunar instead of von von's dragons
03:00:37.700i yeah it's like i'm not i can't recall anything like connecting to this um
03:00:49.060And then here, the son's heart, H-A-R-T, the deer, the son's heart I saw from the south coming.
03:01:03.060He was by two together led. His feet stood on the earth, but his horns reached up to heaven.
03:01:10.660Now, fair to say, I mean, there is mention clearly of the four hearts that remain in heaven and are, you know, standing on the boughs of Yggdrasil, so perhaps he's pulling poetic sense from there, or perhaps this is of another source, maybe a Christian source.
03:01:33.380I know of the heart with the cross that leads, I believe, a German saint.
03:01:42.640The emblem in the Jägermeister bottle has the deer head with the cross.
03:01:49.180Perhaps pulling from that, I don't know.
03:01:54.260And this poem is producing a lot more questions than I realized it was going to do, for myself anyways.
03:02:03.380um from the north i saw the sons of needy
03:02:12.260they were seven in all from full horns the pure mead they drank from the heavens god's well
03:02:23.220um and they use the the title baureans um the dwelling ruler from his well they drink the
03:02:38.660purest mead and and needy or nevia is how it's it's said um you know i wonder if this is again
03:02:48.660referencing to the dwarves and he's kind of saying that underneath as he saw these the dark
03:02:58.020or the uh the smart elves um you know drinking mead directly from god's well um
03:03:09.780um because it it points into like yeah burning birds and then drinking mead um shift is very
03:03:20.340very swift um the wind was silent the water stopped their course and then i heard a doleful
03:03:27.460sound for their husbands false faced women ground earth for food so he's saying and lending to the
03:03:38.580I think the mark of, you know, breaking oaths or what have you that these women are grinding dirt like they would seed or wheat to eat.
03:03:53.720and that again clearly pulls from uh nordic sources skirner's mall talks about how skirner
03:04:02.520says together that she will um gain no sustenance from food and everything she drinks will will be
03:04:10.440of like of foul things and of urine and what have you um gory stones those dark women turned0.51
03:04:20.760sorrowfully bleeding hearts hung out of their breasts faint with much affliction
03:04:28.840many a man i saw wounded go on these bleed strewed paths their faces seemed to me all reddened with
03:04:38.680reeking blood many a men i saw to earth gone down who holy service might not have
03:04:48.440heathen stars stood above their heads painted with deadly character
03:04:56.600so very very interesting in just the the um context in which this is being laid out
03:05:08.040these men are somehow marked by stars for their even worship um and again i think this is kind
03:05:16.040of a rudimentary poetic style that would be spoken in a hall and its intention is to
03:05:25.080stir up and uh pass the faith but again it's very disjointed and that could be on the recording of it
03:05:36.520um i saw those men who much envy harbor at another's fortune bloody runes
03:05:43.240were on their breasts, graved painfully. I there saw men, many, not joyful. They were all wandering
03:05:53.720wild. This he earns, who by this world's vices is infatuated. So I think also too, it's worth
03:06:02.600noting, just like Dante's Inferno, some of the punishments and the concepts in which are being
03:06:09.140discussed are unique to the time of the writing. And so it would be understood what the runes are,
03:06:18.820but the fact that they are written on the chest. So the influence of Christianity is
03:06:23.900really prevalent in this poem, but they're sprinkling in these other elements that the
03:06:34.160the audience would know i saw those men who had in various ways acquired
03:06:41.520others property in the shoals they went to castle covetous feyarn feyarns borger
03:06:54.240is what the the um translation or what the old north says and and burthens bore of lead
03:07:01.520i saw those men who had who many had of life and property bereft through the breast of those men
03:07:11.000passed strong venomous serpents i saw those men who the holy days would not observe
03:07:17.900their hands were on hot stones firmly nailed
03:07:22.180so again and i think there's the emphasis too on the difference of life of going out and
03:07:33.640going a viking and then post christianity no don't do that you can't you know fight
03:07:42.360kill and take um other people's things but again that didn't necessarily even stop after
03:07:51.540christianity um i you know especially in perhaps the names and purposes of what they were doing
03:08:00.260it especially in the north um took many many almost a century before that was kind of
03:08:07.140um weeded down and then it was more organized at least and sanctioned by the crown or the church um
03:08:15.300um so and oh wait a minute let's see one thing he said here um
03:08:22.260uh i need to go back i wanted to see one thing though um
03:08:29.820yeah helga daga holy days halda helga daga um i just wanted to see which reference of holy they
03:08:42.220used um in 66 i saw those men who from pride valued themselves too highly their garments
03:08:52.300ludicrously were in fire enveloped since our ancestors held great pride in their
03:09:02.060um vestments they wanted to look you know in their best clothing in their brightest colors
03:09:09.180i think ultimately all of this is lending to the stuff that our ancestors speaking about the poet
03:09:16.700held in high regard their pridefulness their wanting of of money and their willingness to fight
03:09:25.020um needs to all be let go and you know people who liked it this is what happened to them people who
03:09:32.300did it this is now they're you know enveloped in fire um people who are greedy have their hands
03:09:39.420nailed to stones um and again it just kind of lends to a theory of mine as well that uh
03:09:45.980the sadisticness of you know death worshipers have in which they gleefully speak about
03:09:54.540all of these terrible things um in you know just gruesome detail with with you know a gleam in
03:10:03.700their eyes but not for them because they followed the plan and they know the rules and they're
03:10:12.660going to get past it but they just kind of joyously talk about what everyone else is going to get um
03:10:20.64067 i saw those men who had many false words of others uttered hell's ravens from their heads
03:10:32.000their eyes were miserably tore all the horrors that will get to know which hell's inmates suffer
03:10:41.320pleasant sins end in painful penalties pains ever follow pleasure i think that's pretty
03:10:50.380self-evident of a very abrahamic concept of uh you know denying yourself riches denying yourself
03:10:59.700pride denying yourself pleasures that all of these things um follow in numerous tortures
03:11:07.880and again this is the only time where hell and hell guard are seen in a more of a christian
03:11:18.020context i i i know that a lot of people try to uh afford that to snorty but this is clearly
03:12:53.820I think that's an interesting one there, too, because Yule was a time of feasting.
03:12:59.020And during that time, a lot of the Christians, which I actually don't believe they were celebrating the rabbi's birthday at that time, but that were instead fasting.0.53
03:13:12.780But the adoption of feasting became a thing because they were losing so many people in conversion.
03:13:19.360But they constantly reemphasize the idea of fasting. And I don't think fasting is bad, nor do I think it's something that our ancestors pre-Christianity were unknown to.
03:13:36.180But the overemphasis of it with the intent of being awarded or being anointed in some way by denying yourself is, again, kind of like a combination of, I would say, like Zoroastrian magical practices that kind of inversed into Christianity
03:14:04.560all the way to kind of the aesthetics of like the combination of Christianity and Mithra and the
03:14:12.680overall like kind of rejection of societies they were in. Feasting was such a big part in Greece.
03:14:22.060Feasting was such a big part in Rome and everywhere they went. Feasting was such a big
03:14:28.100thing and so one of the stark convincing factors that they had to press was no no no fist feasting
03:14:36.460is is bad and uh if you if you actually fast um you will be anointed um
03:14:44.140so while everyone else is having fun don't eat and see that anger against your your your fellow
03:14:55.020kinsmen um but especially once you get into out out of the mediterranean why would you fast if
03:15:03.100you're hungry three-fourths of the time anyway it doesn't work already looking for food most of the
03:15:09.660time yeah and and feasting in the north was often um at the at the giving of a lord or someone of
03:15:20.540of high renown. You might be a fisherman and eat fish all year round, but then suddenly
03:15:25.840the great landowner, you know, like a half day's ride away is going to hold a bloat and
03:15:32.240have a feast. And this is the only time you might get a chance to get beef or cow and
03:15:38.760lamb. So, you know, you show up and bloat is there and everyone's eating and having a
03:15:46.880good time. It might be the only time you get a chance to sip mead for the year. Um, yeah, a lot
03:15:52.960of feasts, especially in the North were actually predicated at the giving nature of someone or a
03:16:03.280group of someone's. Um, so, uh, it gets again, this back and forth and this painting of, of
03:16:13.400christianity kind of layered in um i saw those men who had put food into their mother's mouth
03:16:21.780their couches were on the rays of heaven pleasantly placed so those who fed their mothers
03:16:30.180were given exaltation again this is one of those that and we've seen this before earlier in the
03:16:36.620poem i don't think there were like it was it was heathen custom to let your mother starve
03:16:43.820no not at all i think um this is one of those clearly jointed points but he's just trying to
03:16:49.900emphasize um like returning love to the one who brought you into the world but then it goes to
03:16:56.480holy virgins there we go holy virgins had cleanly washed the souls from sin of
03:17:04.940oh this is an interesting it's i think it's a misspelling
03:17:09.480i think it's the the word is supposed to be tribesmen
03:17:13.800because it's t-f-i-b-s-e uh i think they mixed it up but yeah it's the holy virgins had cleaned
03:17:25.120and washed the souls from sin of tribesmen who for a long time had themselves tormented
03:17:32.700So those who have been tormented, those who have been tortured or perhaps imprisoned, their souls are set free. Again, kind of appealing to the slave class.0.94
03:18:15.920driver saw him in him carts or like i would have to look that up um because the obviously the
03:18:28.240the word car cars is not the usage um but here they're saying too like oh so now you're getting
03:18:39.240on the bus and you're going up to god and the guys that lead you there are guys that were killed
03:18:45.040but never did anything wrong um almighty father greatest son holy spirit of heaven
03:18:56.480thee i pray who has all us uh has us all created free us from our miseries
03:19:05.120um and switches to um chapter um four um
03:19:19.760and list for sit at her there's door on resounding seat iron gore falls from their
03:19:28.360nostrils which kindles hate among amongst men
03:19:37.320odin's wife rose in earth's ship eager after the pleasures her sails are reefed late which
03:19:47.320on the ropes of desire are hung so now we kind of see some kind of you know blaspheming um
03:19:58.360And again, I'm trying to read into what the earth's ship might mean, other than, again, that she has dominion over the mundane or dominion over the earthly pleasures.
03:20:12.54078, Son, I, thy father, and Solkatla's son, have alone obtained for thee that horn of the heart, which from the grave mound bore wise vidvalen.
03:20:32.540Here are runes which have engraven Mjörðr's daughters, nine, Rarvar, the eldest, and the youngest, Krepvor, and their seven sisters.
03:20:48.700Now, I just want to take a slight moment to point out that I made mention a while back about the nine daughters of Mjörðr versus the nine daughters of Ayr, and how the nine daughter proponent in relation to the lords of waters, whether it's the ocean or the rivers, and this is another mention of it.
03:21:14.320so just wanted to to point that out but this is the first time ever
03:21:18.720i i've ever read this poem and the um the names just of of um um
03:21:32.160like okay for instance the translation is baldvay not not radvor
03:21:41.200and so both way i i think means like the lust of bidding which again if it's a waterway the idea
03:21:54.400of like a a flowing river that pulls you in a direction would be a bidding a lustful bidding
03:22:02.640um i would have to look up more on on uh but i just think it's really interesting that
03:22:09.200the translation became radvor which is super odd um and you got to be careful with these
03:22:18.200translations sometimes like that um 80. how much violence have they perpetrated svalf and
03:22:26.740and svalfloey bloodshed they have excited and wounds have they sucked after an evil custom0.95
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