Asatru Folk Assembly - 1⧸17⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 80 - Völuspá, Part 3

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00:03:00.000 Okay. I'm flying blind right now, guys. Sorry, we're dealing with a couple of technical things

00:03:26.180 on our end. Welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps. Tonight, Svan and

00:03:34.680 I are going to conclude our three-part series on the Velospow. I think it's been a really

00:03:45.680 good series. I've enjoyed doing it. I hope you guys have gotten a lot of value out of

00:03:52.200 it as well. I am getting stuff back set up on my end. I'm sorry, I'm a little bit choppy.

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00:06:00.860 uh since last time we talk okay so we've we're finishing up on the veloz bow today

00:06:08.540 next week for the first time on the program good friend of mine gothe bode mayo is going to join me

00:06:15.500 and we'll talk next week in the following week uh spawn and i will begin what i believe we'll

00:06:24.620 do a four-part series on the have them all so that will oh i mean i think it's worth noting too for

00:06:36.620 with uh for people that don't know uh godie mayo it's he's uh lore he's he is very lore heavy

00:06:46.140 so great great time to ask questions and you know he's a storyteller of top notch as well he likes

00:06:53.020 so you know i'm going to be on there definitely i'm going to be trying to plug some questions

00:06:58.460 and see his his takes on things um so i think that we're going to pretend that we are just doing this

00:07:16.220 in a audio format for the time being until we get our graphic situation figured out

00:07:25.420 in the meantime

00:07:30.700 yeah i think that's i think that's all we got sorry i'm a little bit disjointed this week

00:07:34.620 the tech problems always throw me off my game just a bit but uh oh okay another announcement

00:07:42.460 i'd like to do so i i told you guys last week when we had our odenshoff website new improved

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00:08:19.500 our other websites are .org. Somebody out there owns thorshoff.org currently,

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00:08:35.420 and they'll show you that new and amazing site

00:08:40.940 and again while we wait on uh this tech situation we can get right into the meat

00:08:48.780 and taters of stuff so svan are you ready to start part three of the volus bow

00:08:58.700 yes my alzheimer go the i am ready

00:09:02.940 proceed well okay so we're we are moving into the last and final part um let's see we're

00:09:16.860 okay so just to kind of catch up a little bit i believe we're all on stands up 51 correct

00:09:28.700 Um, let me just double check that again. Cause I think we ended on 46. Ah, dang it. I'm all,

00:09:40.880 I'm like five ahead. Um, okay. So now, uh, this, this is truly an interesting, uh,

00:09:55.660 stanza, because of the usage of the words, the plurals of sun, the fast move, the sons of

00:10:04.560 mim and fate is heard in the note of Gjallarhorn. So the second line in that is pretty clear. We

00:10:15.340 know about the referencing of the sounding of Gjallarhorn. Gjallarhorn, again, if people

00:10:23.540 were to wonder, and I've made mention of it before with the river Gjöl. The river Gjöl and the word

00:10:31.660 Gjöl have the same root to mean like to yelp or to cry out. In this case, you know, Gjölr is more

00:10:41.360 of a resounding, the resounding horner or the horn of great calling. And this is clear, but that

00:10:47.960 first line, fast moves the sons of Mim and fate. So there's a lot of debate as to exactly

00:11:01.720 who this is relating to, especially in the fact that Mimir is not mentioned as having

00:11:09.800 children. Some people have thought that this might just simply mean the gods themselves

00:11:17.960 Others have correlated it to be Jotins, that the idea that Mimir is, especially under Snorri, Snorri didn't do a lot to align the gods.

00:11:31.780 He didn't see the gods as tribal alliances or really the way we see them is in correlation to their dominion and the power that they have.

00:11:43.820 and that anybody that aligns themselves with the dominion of the gods

00:11:46.800 is in essence an aus of some way, shape, or form,

00:11:50.660 whether they're a beloved one or they're actually an ausenior or an aus,

00:11:56.020 that's the hierarchy.

00:12:00.140 So some people have taken this to mean that the sons of Mim

00:12:04.580 might have been in relation to the idea of the jotuns.

00:12:08.100 Um, I don't have a huge take on this. Um, I think that, and I don't say this very often.

00:12:20.800 um occasionally the the writing of the adas and the poems there's a couple of

00:12:29.680 like logistical errors in which things aren't quite expounded on because there's not enough

00:12:38.540 space or time um sometimes i look at it as does the context of the audience does the audience

00:12:44.500 understand it and maybe we don't um that could be the case with this line but it could also be a

00:12:52.660 misnomer of placement we we you know we don't know if our if snotty or even our ancestors really

00:13:04.260 understood or placed a heavy emphasis on mimir and say the concepts of time as more or less a

00:13:11.860 a, you know, a part of the whole kind of painting the story with words.

00:13:19.380 So, I mean, I would say most likely they're referring to the Jotunar because of everything that's happening in the poem.

00:13:29.460 And, you know, we talk now about the Jotuns. 0.76

00:13:32.900 We talk now about the accursed dead and the sons of Muspel. 1.00

00:13:38.300 Well, and so all of the chaotic forces are now in motion. 0.84

00:13:42.140 And because of that motion, he who can see at great distance, he pulls his horn, holds it aloft, and sounds it.

00:13:58.340 And these next two parts, obviously he sounds it.

00:14:02.460 But that last line, in fear quake all who on hell's roads are. So that's an interesting one. Because in the Old Norse, it says,

00:14:17.560 So the mention of Hell's Roads is actually kind of a, I think, a part on Bellows, you know, issue is that he kind of added in there the idea of the dead looking up and kind of seeing and hearing the sound of the resounding of heaven.

00:14:47.560 You know, but in there, you know, he, he holds up or he gives out the call of his horn aloft.

00:14:56.180 And I really, um, let me see, cause I've always, you know, when we talk about, uh, um, Mims Hallwood and Hallwood in, in relation to, um, I'm going to look into that just as we're going.

00:15:17.560 but um this 46 this stanza in particular is truly an interesting one and i think that a lot of

00:15:26.780 translators have issues with it and they try to understand um or make you know use of it that all

00:15:34.560 the stuff about heimdall is very clear and understood but the sons of of uh mimir or mim

00:15:41.220 And also the Old Norse version of the stanza doesn't equate those on Hell's Road being, you know, called forth or hearing the sound.

00:15:59.900 I'm really like, it's throwing me off and I'm like, I want to look up something.

00:16:03.980 So I want to see because of one thing in particular.

00:16:05.960 But what we're getting right now is, again, the story is starting to take its zenith point.

00:16:18.400 The zenith point is really, I think, all the movement.

00:16:22.240 And the Valla is talking about the unknown at this point.

00:16:27.860 She's speaking to Lord Odin in a projected sense of what will come.

00:16:33.380 Now, it's worth noting that I think our ancestors and by design, the gods, you know, project an idea of hope.

00:16:46.820 There's a sliver of hope in this, is that for us, the future is not projected, but is a cumulative events of will.

00:16:57.520 and so that which is not is basically a projection like someone pulling back an arrow or pulling back

00:17:08.120 a bowstring with an arrow in it you can project the idea of where it will fly based on when it

00:17:16.000 is loose but it's not fully there yet and there's a lot of things that can happen along the way

00:17:22.260 And I think that's the key point as to why Lord Odin is doing what he's doing. And I mean that in a very real sense. I'm not, I'm not speaking about that in a hypothetical is I think that a lot of people have a tendency to forget that Lord Odin isn't just the Faustian caveat.

00:17:38.360 He isn't just the archetypal mindset that a lot of people have, is that Odin is actively doing things in order to, again, change the direction of, or at least prolong the projection of the Vala's prophecy.

00:17:56.360 and this is where we start to move into that this is the arrow in flight if you will

00:18:04.620 but possibly changed by the wind you know there's a lot going on here

00:18:08.860 um so when we move to 47

00:18:17.760 It says

00:18:20.640 Yggdrasil shakes and shiver on high 1.00

00:18:23.900 The ancient limbs

00:18:26.120 And the giant is loose

00:18:28.840 Now

00:18:30.340 Again, that part there

00:18:35.100 Is interesting because in the Norse

00:18:37.160 It says

00:18:38.060 It is

00:18:47.220 the the giant as in like humanity the usage of that word it's i don't think it's specifically

00:18:56.760 talking about a giant unless there's something lost in there and maybe later on in other uh

00:19:04.380 in um other contexts perhaps it is talking about loki himself or soot sooter but it doesn't quite

00:19:16.780 you know, uh, focus on that. And I've always taken that to mean more of like the,

00:19:24.840 the Jotun losnar. Uh, the Jotun are, the giant is loose is kind of an overall statement of 1.00

00:19:33.940 the forces of chaos have now come unbound. So, um, here we have, you know, Yggdrasil shakes 1.00

00:19:43.720 and shivers on high the ancient limbs and the giant is loose to the head of meme

00:19:51.320 does odin give heed so here is a point that i think really emphasizes um the dynamicism of

00:20:01.180 lord odin is that he immediately transfers through realms and enters the realm of chaos

00:20:07.740 as it is now starting to boil, uh, and bubble, he goes into the depths and the secret places

00:20:15.620 within the realm of chaos. Um, and then it says here, you know, but, but the kids, the kinsmen

00:20:25.640 of cert shall slay him soon. And again, most people would, you know, um, begin to wonder,

00:20:34.600 Well, okay, how is the kinsman of Surt? If Fenris is the slayer of Odin, how is Fenris a kinsman of Surt?

00:20:47.740 And that makes a very interesting point.

00:20:53.620 Again, I think there is a huge amount of clerical errors in relation to connecting the dots, especially in this part.

00:21:04.100 And it kind of paints the entirety of everything happening with a sense of uncertainty, even though I think it wasn't done on purpose. I think it was done accidentally.

00:21:16.220 Uh, that, again, this brings up a lot of the, I've heard a lot of discussions about how Lord Odin is perhaps slain by an unprojected, and I mean this in the sense that people haven't quite found a solid answer, but have thought of, or perhaps levied an idea that, um, Lord Odin is slain by

00:21:46.220 a jotun or a kinsman of cert whereas perhaps fenris is more a meeting of which uh lord tier

00:21:56.700 has to finish his cycle because again a lot of people have keyed in on the idea that it's it's

00:22:02.540 odd that lord tier faces off with garn and lord odin faces off with fenris and here they're

00:22:09.180 mentioning the you know the kinsmen of cert and um you know either this was just seen as

00:22:16.220 uh, another agent of the Yotnar or of the entirety of the chaos. And that, that's what binds them

00:22:26.140 is that now they're, you know, enemies of the gods. And so any enemy of the gods is a kinsman

00:22:31.480 to each other. I mean, we could read it into that and I don't exactly know how far we could stretch

00:22:38.060 it um but there's i think a clear sense of uh there's framing and leaning here in order to

00:22:49.500 create i think connective points while also maintaining poetic correction or correct like

00:22:57.720 meter and correct you know uh linguistic holdings and so these these uh these two uh stanzas are

00:23:06.360 extremely interesting when we look at them. And there's a lot to pick apart.

00:23:17.160 I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm especially like, I'm looking here and I want to see, but as we're

00:23:23.560 going to continue on, because I just wanted to bring up points. The other thing is, is I,

00:23:29.240 it's not necessarily to explain all things within the poem as it is to entice everyone listening.

00:23:36.360 to look at the, at the poems, look at some of the translations, look how the translators

00:23:41.580 may have turned things or, or shifted things in order to create their interpretations

00:23:48.620 in a, in a, in a better light. Um, you know, as, as we, you know, go through, I'm in, I'm

00:23:58.060 beckoning people to look at these stanzas and try to figure them out and try to, uh, you know,

00:24:05.300 take in their own conceptualizations. I'm trying to state general arguments throughout

00:24:13.220 that have been made, some that I've heard, some that I've read about, some that have been discussed

00:24:19.540 throughout either the lore within the Gothar or the lore within just peer studies in relation to

00:24:33.520 this. And again, you know, there's the, you know, connection between these two. The last line in

00:24:42.980 Fearquake All, who on hell's roads are, whereas the last, you know, line in Old Norse is

00:24:51.180 and that is not the you know the direct correlation so these two are

00:25:03.440 truly interesting uh but we see now that lord odin moves his way towards the well

00:25:14.700 of me the well of memory of all actions that have come and all things and now is in essence

00:25:23.140 seeing the motion of which things are going and the valla asks in 48 how fair the gods

00:25:31.780 How fares the gods, how fares the elves

00:25:46.260 All of Jotunheim groans 0.96

00:25:50.080 And the gods are at council

00:25:52.920 They hold althinki

00:25:54.600 They're holding council

00:25:56.320 And trying to again

00:25:57.920 Project 0.95

00:26:00.860 their their next move at the well of earth in heaven loud roars the dwarves

00:26:09.860 by the doors of stone and again uh the gates the gates in which they're talking about is most

00:26:20.440 likely the gates of nidaveller but you know when we talk about the the the dvergar the svartalf

00:26:29.780 we're talking about them beseeching the threshold of the material the masters of the rocks

00:26:40.120 would you would you know yet or more so here now we start we're seeing linguistic and poetic

00:26:48.760 placement of the gods lord othen is moving the gods are gathering to counsel again it's been

00:26:54.580 stated that the gods hold their council at the well of erg in heaven so we know now that if the

00:27:03.460 gods are holding council they're holding council at the well of time and its creation um so all of

00:27:10.820 creation is kind of churning right now the only one i would say that's notably lost in these stanzas

00:27:18.500 is what's happening in vanaheim which is just an interesting point or perhaps the idea is again

00:27:27.540 poetics doesn't allow it i mean they mentioned the elves they mentioned jotunheim and they've

00:27:32.580 mentioned you know uh nivelheim and they mentioned svartalfan but nothing of vanaheim and i i think

00:27:40.660 that the ultimate understanding of that is that vanaheim is much too akin on the middle world as

00:27:48.980 yggdrasil is to is to the whole of creation it is that life spark that place of starting and i don't

00:27:56.980 think that you know that place goes away and i think that it's worth pondering and conceptualizing

00:28:05.940 We talk about Yggdrasil and its shakenness, but it does in its own form and heaven itself survive, even though everything is wiped.

00:28:19.540 And of the middle world, most pointedly is that the Vanaheim survives and that in the lower, Helheim itself survives as well.

00:28:35.240 almost like as an encapsulation point.

00:28:38.440 So each of the three levels in the Aryan mythos have like an encapsulation place,

00:28:44.340 and each one of those things holds its place, its point.

00:28:54.300 So this is – in stanza 49, there is a mentioning that we will see again.

00:29:03.800 This is a repeating in which, you know, out lies, out cries out, Garm, the hound of the dead, the hound of hell.

00:29:20.180 The hell hound is at the gates and it is baying out because things are loosening and the fetters will burst and the wolf will run free.

00:29:30.320 So, you know, this, again, referencing clearly to Fenris, but also to all fetters.

00:29:38.180 And the fetters will burst in the idea that even Garm's place of keeping and containing things is lost.

00:29:46.380 So, Helgard opens up.

00:29:50.780 Jotunheim opens up.

00:29:52.920 And even heaven is opened up.

00:29:55.000 And all the fetters and all the bindings, all the gates, all the thresholds are loosened.

00:30:02.640 The rivers are shaking and the gates are thrown asunder and thrown open.

00:30:11.320 And she says, much do I know and more can I see of the fates of the gods and mighty in fight.

00:30:19.740 And so she speaks here of Rakhna Rakh.

00:30:25.000 and in the um old norse and again that is truly the it's the regency if you will of

00:30:38.120 the powers of mighty powers so it is the inevitable it is the fate of the mighty powers

00:30:43.960 as they are coming to be tied and they're coming to be wound towards their doom

00:30:50.440 Here we have mentioned in stanza 50,

00:30:58.460 Hrim is how it's pronounced, Hrimr.

00:31:02.920 From the east comes Hrim, with shield hell high.

00:31:08.060 Now it's worth noting that the word Hrim means cracked with age,

00:31:14.260 or to become decrepit, or to become aged.

00:31:19.120 And again, you see repeatedly Jotunheim is often kind of seen as a place where time ends or time breaks apart. It's that threshold between the world of man and the underworld, and that is kind of where time dissipates.

00:31:37.380 That's why Mimir's well is there. And again, I think it applies here with Primr and his agedness, the agedness of his cracking and coming to an older state. 0.71

00:31:51.040 Again, the Jotunar are always seen as elder beings or beings that have been around like the mountains, and that's kind of how the jump came into them being giants.

00:32:04.700 But the elderness of them is oftentimes, I think, lost, and his name really holds true to it.

00:32:14.820 And he comes from the east with his shield held high.

00:32:18.060 this of course means ready to battle he's he's uh generally seen as you know the strength of the

00:32:23.120 gods is um rallying behind i mean the strengths of the giants is rallying behind him so his shield

00:32:31.020 is held high and he's he is ready um and you know in in the strength of the gods does the serpent

00:32:40.160 writhe in the giant wrath uh the the word yatun modhi is the word that is used and that

00:32:47.200 would, again, correlate to the ancient strength of the Jotunar, their being. And in that strength

00:32:57.880 soon comes about the twisting or the writhing or the curdling edges of the serpent writhe.

00:33:08.540 And again, this is, you know, speaking of Jormann Gandur, and it's not mentioned in the English translation, but it is in the Old Norse.

00:33:23.480 So, you know, from the east comes Hrim with shield held high.

00:33:29.960 And here we have Hrimmer Ecker Austen, Hevisk Lind Firir.

00:33:38.540 And then, snisk Jörmungandr i Jotunmodi. 0.92

00:33:44.520 So, the writhing Jörmungandr is of great Jotun strength, or is of Jotun strength.

00:33:52.780 So, it's really interesting when we see these translations, because it doesn't make a lot of sense in English, the way that it's directly written.

00:34:00.280 And it has to be kind of contextualized.

00:34:03.720 And then again, what does it exactly mean in Jotun strength?

00:34:09.740 So, you know, again, ancient and great strength.

00:34:16.880 I'm getting a little echo.

00:34:20.180 We're still doing that?

00:34:22.600 Let's see.

00:34:26.880 Okay.

00:34:28.020 And we're still doing audio, correct?

00:34:33.720 Okay, so, all right, you know, here it mentions, in Over the Waves, he twists, and the tawny eagle gnaws corpses screaming.

00:34:59.360 nail fari or uh you know it's it's worth noting that the g is kind of a softer g so instead of

00:35:12.720 nagel far it would be pronounced nail nail like the g is kind of a almost a y sound nail fari

00:35:23.200 uh the the nail farrier um again like a scratching hand uh it is loose

00:35:31.180 um and that would be of course because that right there at the end it's it's uh speaks of it being

00:35:38.940 loosed and it's automatically kind of understood that the audience would know exactly what we're

00:35:43.960 talking about in reference because it's not fully explained explained later but uh you know with

00:35:51.880 Snorri kind of contextualizing it in the Skald Skarpis Maul or in the Guilfagini.

00:36:03.020 But the part here that you might see is the tawny eagle.

00:36:09.260 The word for eagle is Ari.

00:36:12.060 It's very much like Arn in German.

00:36:16.920 Arn, like Arn old means old eagle or a great eagle.

00:36:20.300 And so Ari here, en Ari hlakar.

00:36:27.100 Sliter naoi nidhvoller.

00:36:31.500 Nidhvoller is like the bodies.

00:36:36.200 And what this is most likely referring to, to give context,

00:36:40.420 is the great Jotun known as Hreisvelk.

00:36:46.240 the Jotun of the wind or the Jotun of the stirrer of the wind, or at least the Jotun of wind,

00:36:56.420 perhaps that is a blight wind, a vile wind. Because again, I think it's worth noting that

00:37:05.420 we shouldn't contextualize the gods or the Jotuns and their powers in the middle as being one for

00:37:10.960 one. It's not, you know, Thor, god of storms. It is that their dominion and the place in which

00:37:21.520 they applicate their dominion in the middle world. And so we understand that the Jotunar 0.85

00:37:26.240 have this ability. And so, you know, Hraisfeld could be contextualized as perhaps the creator

00:37:35.720 of a specific type of storm or again, baleful storms, storms that have, you know, uh, kind of

00:37:45.780 a, again, a destructive intent, whether that you can say perhaps, you know, I know a lot of people

00:37:52.180 have theorized the idea that, um, tornadoes could be seen as worms or serpents, um, and, you know,

00:38:00.120 or hurricanes in a, in a sense, these baleful winds are kind of stirred by the, uh, the eagle

00:38:07.580 on the edge. And in, in our, uh, our cosmological drawing, uh, you will see there is an eagle with

00:38:17.380 like wafts of wind off of his wings. And that's who they're met, you know, who we're referencing

00:38:23.160 to um so the you know jotunheim starts to flow towards the middle the under is starting to rise

00:38:32.440 up and they're all their final destination really is about transferring over and towards the land

00:38:40.880 of the gods and it's worth again re-emphasizing our ancestors saw the gods as being above but

00:38:49.840 within the middle of the world.

00:38:53.760 They didn't see the gods as being on top of the tree.

00:38:59.780 They don't really mention that as being the cases.

00:39:02.940 They see the tree as being in the center place of the world.

00:39:06.860 And that place is above the clouds

00:39:09.500 or above the shining place,

00:39:12.780 above the mountain tops that hold the gods aloft,

00:39:17.780 gods aloft are never fully contextualized as being a specific mountain range or anything of that

00:39:23.940 nature as more or less just that that center place and here you'd have to think of it as again if 0.98

00:39:31.700 we're looking at the the world in a flat sense under your feet the yotan are coming from the east 0.52

00:39:40.420 and with it they're stirring up the wind so you have cream and all the yotan that are you know

00:39:46.980 know have been itching to get to the center and get to the over the midgarve and up into the 0.98

00:39:53.860 heavenly realm they're crossing through into our world and bringing with them chaos and destruction

00:40:00.700 and so the the eagle is flying over them and it's stirring up the wind of great storms 1.00

00:40:07.320 Jormungandr is writhing in the water and the the Jotunar are themselves coming and from the north

00:40:14.220 there is a cave and out of the cave is spilling forth the you know the the accursed dead the ones 0.88

00:40:20.060 that are you know that have were rejected by their ancestors and their their varger and they're you

00:40:28.700 know just you know riding in and up on this ship so in a way the the poetics i think are kind of

00:40:37.340 keeping to a rule but when you talk about it from a storytelling standpoint it is very much an epic

00:40:43.980 kind of enclosing of the middle which everything is kind of writhing and rolling and wind is

00:40:51.020 blowing and churning there the the words here are kind of lost with the imagery that are placed

00:40:58.780 inside the context um so you know i like to bring that into point um when we talk about it in a

00:41:07.980 story form is like imagine our ancestors you know hearing this and seeing things in a uh

00:41:14.540 dimensional sense that is based around under their feet you know we know for a fact and a lot of

00:41:20.540 people have asked you know does also true uh believe the world is flat does um you know the

00:41:27.820 conceptualization of that and i don't think that's the case i think that just as much as say

00:41:33.500 christianity was looking at the world in a solar centric i mean uh earth centric view as opposed

00:41:40.220 to a solar one our ancestors were looking at from the individual uh from the from the the folk as

00:41:49.340 they stood and so in that sense all of the paradigms are mythically laid out but they're

00:41:56.140 They're also spiritually correct. The idea of, of the, you know, the upper world is where the gods reside in the east where the chaos comes. That's where the, that's where the, the Yotnar come from the west.

00:42:10.600 You know, that's where the life and the growing and the cycles of all things. 0.99

00:42:17.040 And beneath us is where the Dvergar are.

00:42:19.920 And beneath that is where, you know, the souls return to Vergelmer and the roiling and rolling well.

00:42:30.040 So it's, I think it is super important to look at cosmology in two ways.

00:42:35.400 One is as it is written, but also, two, as it was conceptualized from ourselves and from our feet and from where we sit and from where we stand and from where our house is, as opposed to, you know, seeing, you know, it's like if I drive to the east, I'm not going to hit Yotunhan.

00:42:57.220 Or if I, you know, go eastward from my position directly, you know, off the planet and into, you know, the cosmos, it's, again, it's about planar thresholds and what these planar thresholds mean and what the powers and the dominions that derive from there.

00:43:20.480 The gods are above, and they derive their power and dominion down into the middle world. The Yotnar are in the east, and they derive their power into us in a westward motion. The Vanir are in the west, and they derive their power easterly into creation. 0.96

00:43:38.780 And so all of these things are, I think, really important and get lost when people try to diagram or perhaps overanalyze the just strictly the poems.

00:43:52.780 so all right guys we're at a um convenient stopping point here uh as you guys can notice

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00:45:59.840 I'm trying to figure out folks on the back end so we can make sure that doesn't ever happen again.

00:46:08.080 Svon, so a lot of these things that we're going over in specifically these last five stanzas aren't really that separate.

00:46:21.780 They're all imagery that explains to us that chaos has broken down the structure that orders our cosmos and our existence.

00:46:36.260 And you see that, as Svon said, in different contexts, in different parts of the alignment of the worlds.

00:46:47.460 You see all of these things colliding because the elements in our cosmology that cause separation, that cause order, that cause structure, are broken down.

00:47:02.680 And things from one begin flowing into the other in chaotic, violent ways.

00:47:12.460 The order of the cosmos is broken and shaken up.

00:47:17.460 and that's the the most grand scale that they can portray ragnarok on is chaos breaking down

00:47:27.620 that structure and encroaching upon the very essence of order which is our gods

00:47:35.620 and that's that's where we're at starting this next uh

00:47:40.420 next section what's that starting about 51 i believe so

00:47:47.240 it's funny yeah oh oh so i've i think we had a couple of things we do have some questions

00:47:56.580 everybody who asked questions on the other side um we have those written down and we'll we'll

00:48:04.580 definitely get to those. Folks that ask questions that aren't related to the text, we'll get to

00:48:11.200 those when we're all done with the text. So we do remember it's, they're there and we will get to

00:48:16.620 them. One that does have something to do with the text though, the Wolf Throne asks is Mimir the

00:48:24.080 godhead and i think i think that's an interesting question and i think the concept of a godhead

00:48:35.280 in general is confusing especially depending upon which religious tradition is using the term

00:48:43.280 In one sense, Mimir literally is memory and is the contemplative nature of that memory.

00:49:00.660 in a very real way mimir embodies the the folk memory it embodies the something that comes from

00:49:12.020 that ancient time before the current order is established it's a his mimir's head is a font of

00:49:20.880 ancient memory it's a font of orlog and the idea that it springs forth it's

00:49:28.900 an embodiment or a access point to that which springs from the most ancient and from the

00:49:38.100 beginning there are elements that do coincide with an impersonal godhead element but our

00:49:47.060 myth isn't broken down in that kind of verbiage and kind of function so I don't think there's a

00:49:54.260 clean yes or no answer and the fact that it's a font of of Orlog if you will

00:50:00.500 one of the other elements just kind of in the poeticness of the the sons of Mimir in a way

00:50:09.920 that speaks a lot to the progression, because it talks about that in relation to fate.

00:50:22.520 And, you know, the sons of memory chronologically take us into a present, and they mention fate

00:50:31.700 as into a, you know, likely future outcome.

00:50:36.660 So it gets those three separate ideas of time

00:50:40.220 in that one passage in a very poetic way.

00:50:44.620 And that's the thing, Chris, reading your comment over on the side,

00:50:49.200 depends on what you read.

00:50:50.720 In Christian religious studies,

00:50:55.040 God had been something slightly different

00:50:57.300 than in Hindu religious studies

00:50:59.400 than it does in Jewish religious studies.

00:51:01.700 All of those things have a different degree on how much Godhead equals a personal totality of their supreme God, or how much it is the concept of Godness itself, or various things along that structure, the truth that underlies God in some of those conceptions.

00:51:29.480 So, again, it's not exactly clean the more you read it.

00:51:36.940 But, no, Mimir does not equal prime mover, impersonal, supreme God.

00:51:45.580 But certainly is a font towards accessing that most ancient memory of our folk soul, absolutely.

00:51:54.720 What say you, Swan?

00:51:55.640 um i think that it's worth you know noting that um i and i've mentioned this before i think that

00:52:04.560 when you know uh christians talk about oh it's all part of god's plan or you know it's kind of

00:52:09.200 this broad head of movement or this sourcing of things um it i i think that if we're talking

00:52:18.300 about godhead in the way that you just contextualized it i would say that yggdrasil is

00:52:25.260 perhaps the font the unmoving source of you know of all things the the the first of the tripartite

00:52:33.820 in the middle in the cosmos in the chaos in the in the great gap and emir is transformed and

00:52:42.380 avhumla is transformed but yggdrasil remains but it is worth noting where is mimir placed he is

00:52:50.220 placed along upon the route at one of the the sources but i you know again then as the name

00:52:57.180 implies mimir's memory so i i think it's worth looking at instead of perhaps the spring in which

00:53:05.740 all things are flowing is more or less the value is where all things are flowing into

00:53:11.180 is the memory well and that is what truly makes him powerful so if if earth and earth earth's 0.64

00:53:21.340 brunner earth's well in heaven is the faunting of yggdrasil's power into the middle world 0.93

00:53:28.540 everything's kind of descending through that wellspring or threshold of liquid into the 0.82

00:53:33.500 middle world everything that interplays all the weaving of of orlong all the weaving of weird

00:53:39.820 all the deeds that are done and the fates that are that are made all plays out in the middle and then

00:53:45.900 flows into memory and then there's a root there a corresponding root that up so this that that is

00:53:56.540 i think deeply important but ultimately that the idea that the wellspring above drips into the the

00:54:02.620 middle the wellspring in the middle drips to the low and the wellspring in the low drips into the

00:54:07.980 proto but each time there's a drawing up of the roots super important there but if we're talking

00:54:15.100 about uh like the godhead or the single god um yeah i i agree with you i don't think it i don't

00:54:22.140 think he correlates exactly as kind of this overarching uh source i know like in like with

00:54:30.220 Plato's referencing of things, you know, the kind of the divine source, I would say Yggdrasil fits

00:54:38.640 that far better than Mimir, but Mimir is a part of the functioning of Yggdrasil, part of that

00:54:48.980 circulatory system of the worlds, of the upper, middle, and lower, and why it is so important to

00:54:55.680 understand why there are roots and why there are wells and why each of them are placed within each

00:55:01.360 level um i think that's a huge part of our aryan cosmology so chris um as a follow-up chris for

00:55:12.000 those following along asks so mimir could as carl jung called it or could be as carl young called

00:55:19.120 it our collective unconscious that is yes sort of it's not so much that Mimir himself is the

00:55:31.080 collective unconscious as he is a door to the collective unconscious he is an access his head

00:55:39.880 is an access point to consult with the collective unconscious unconscious in its most primal state

00:55:48.360 um the collective unconscious the closest thing that that i think we could call that is our folk

00:55:56.600 soul and that incorporates past present and future to agree that to a degree that's really

00:56:12.760 hard to express but mimir is a door to that collected folk memory um or his head rather

00:56:25.560 is a door to that collected folk memory that that the all-father can consult

00:56:32.920 um and with that uh swan if you would like to carry on with our next stanza please yeah and i

00:56:42.200 I'm working currently, while we're actually going forward, I'm still looking back on stanza 46, so I might be interjecting a little bit, because again, the translation, in fear quake, all who on hell's roads are, really bothers me, because that's not what is said.

00:57:02.140 You know, what is said is that Odin measures what is happening, and Mimir shakes.

00:57:11.280 So, and another thing, too, is he says, you know, fast-moving, or fast-move the sons of Mim, but it's more or less contextualized that the sons of Mim are playing, or as perhaps, like, again,

00:57:27.320 the uh the the inevitable is coming true the song of the inevitable the doom that is coming

00:57:36.680 is playing out and so i i just that that's really um vexing me in a way um and i'm so i'm i'm can

00:57:47.240 i'm still poking at some of these things and it's worth noting like for me a lot of my translational

00:57:54.220 stuff comes um you know it's it's like i don't i haven't memorized the adas and or or even the

00:58:03.220 like just i haven't memorized it in old norse so a lot of it is about kind of picking it apart

00:58:08.660 looking at it looking at different meanings and perhaps what they could mean whether it's modern

00:58:14.440 icelandic whether it's old icelandic or whether it's old norse so a lot of that is kind of that

00:58:19.400 that picking apart. I don't like to say certain things are what they mean, unless I can kind of

00:58:26.700 also get the grip of their context. Cause again, sometimes, you know,

00:58:33.440 a simple name could have different context in relation to the stanza. So, you know, I, I'm

00:58:43.100 still picking it apart and i'm you know trying again to give the best form of um

00:58:54.540 i guess laying it out for people like a buffet for people to read into to study to go back and

00:59:00.620 look and say okay well i can kind of see it like this or perhaps bellows translation is slightly

00:59:05.500 different uh in this way than obviously like hollander's you know and so on and so forth

00:59:12.300 because that's really what i think our place uh as gothar and as the afa have always done is

00:59:19.500 we have looked at all of the translations laid them out and pondered them instead of simply saying

00:59:27.260 this is the translation of this and this is the translation of that because when you do that you

00:59:34.540 end up not fully contextualizing things or you know in reality i see a lot of people just make

00:59:40.940 things up or leave things gray on purpose without any uh you know idea of it um again a perfect

00:59:49.100 example of that is people that translate um uh the people of the wolf as to being heimdall

00:59:58.860 that was a big one for me where that that translation was so glaringly kind of like

01:00:03.900 a stubbed toe that i i was like oh and people don't they'll take that for the value that it is

01:00:13.180 they'll see it it's written down oh that makes or that makes sense to them because they don't

01:00:17.340 have anything to contextualize it with it's not laid out before them and they accept it

01:00:21.420 they eat it down and it's probably very wrong so that's why if anybody's wondering why we're

01:00:29.020 i'm laying these out in kind of multiple angles is because that's what i want people to understand

01:00:33.660 is that we see our gods as the gods living and working and moving as they do,

01:00:38.880 and that our stories are kind of, again, seen from the angles of many different translations

01:00:44.880 and our understanding of Old Norse in and of itself, which can be shaky at times.

01:00:54.120 So we're in, you know, we're in 51.

01:00:59.540 one um so this is an interesting one too so he says over the sea from the east there sails a ship

01:01:12.500 and i was looking at this translation too the the word cure if anybody's following along or oh i

01:01:19.200 don't i don't think we mentioned that they can't follow along oh we did this episode um yeah we

01:01:26.400 had the visual thing breaking down nick if you could post the uh link to the version that we're

01:01:36.000 we're reading this on so folks can follow along if they'd like yeah that's the reason why we

01:01:44.160 had the ability to do it from the internet if they wanted to or from their you know tablet

01:01:49.120 while they're listening of course people i think that are listening strictly with audio or

01:01:56.400 you know, left at a slight disadvantage.

01:02:02.800 But I was, yeah, I was...

01:02:04.320 So everybody knows we are doing the Bellows translation,

01:02:08.800 and you can find that independently.

01:02:11.080 We just happen to have a really convenient website

01:02:13.600 with the exact screen that Svon and I are looking on.

01:02:26.400 So, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, over the sea from the east, there sails a ship and the ship is, is, is just a ship. It's not a specific ship. It is, you know, a kjol is a ship.

01:02:46.500 So a ship fares from the east and comes the sons of Muspel.

01:02:53.440 Now, this is, again, another interesting thing, because I wonder in relation to we know that Snorri talks about the south and the coming of the sons of Muspel, and they're coming from Muspelheim.

01:03:05.800 But again, they're referencing to the Jotuns as also being the sons of Muspel or that in relation, which is why a lot of people don't know what Muspel means, but correlate it to destruction or perhaps fiery destruction or what have you.

01:03:27.920 And if this is the word muspels, then, you know, this could be seen as like from the east the ship flows and there comes, you know, the sons of destruction.

01:03:38.320 But it is worth noting that in all of these cases, we see the moving through Midgar is in the form of a ship.

01:03:47.440 so again rivers and we talked about this before is that rivers are always kind of

01:03:54.860 liminal space between planar um thresholds and so every river that's mentioned in the stories

01:04:04.240 is kind of seen as a as a either a threshold within the world of or the plane or between

01:04:11.700 the planes we see that with gil in between the the land of the living in the land of the dead

01:04:17.380 We see that again with, oh crap, the name of the river alludes me, but in Harbarðr's tale, the river that he's crossing between Jotunheim and heaven.

01:04:33.740 But then there is clearly like the river Thund in heaven is a threshold between Valhall and the other realms of Ausgard.

01:04:43.580 it or our start so rivers always represent that liminal force space and from the east a boat comes

01:04:52.220 and from the from the underneath a boat comes the must spell uh are faring you know through vessels

01:05:00.020 transferring between hard realms through a liquid um and i think that that's another reason why you

01:05:10.040 know, when we talk about like holy spaces where people walk over bridges is a, is a, a kind

01:05:16.940 of reemphasizing of this. So, um, a ship from the East sails, um, you know, with, with

01:05:26.020 the sons, with the, uh, of, of Muspel at the helm stands Loki. After the wolf do wild

01:05:37.000 men follow. And with them, the brother of Belist goes. So, or Belist. So there's a couple things 0.98

01:05:48.880 there. I think ultimately, perhaps the angling of it, of the Sons of Muspel and the Jotuns of

01:05:57.380 the East, and all of this is kind of being laid before as, again, coalescing towards the center.

01:06:05.360 But I really do like the after, you know, after the wolf, all of all of his of the powers with him go.

01:06:18.920 And I think that's, again, referencing to the the Varker of the underworld, of the chaotic elements of the of the East or of Jotunheim or the place of dissipation.

01:06:30.900 Everything is following in after these great kind of focused points. 0.97

01:06:36.760 And another thing about this is Belist Brother.

01:06:40.540 Belist is, again, an unknown factor in relation to Loki.

01:06:50.640 And I think a lot of people that are familiar with the lore will say, oh, yeah, you know, there's Loki's father is Faurbauti, the Farbiter.

01:06:59.560 or one that might again like in reference to an arrow sailing over and kind of hitting something

01:07:05.000 um i've heard people speculate too that that uh you know uh that faur bauti could be in reference

01:07:13.260 to like a comet or something of that nature but there's no like specifics that could be laid down

01:07:19.820 or pointed at um and then of course laufi the the uh island the leafy or or the place that is leafy

01:07:31.580 but then there's mention of two brothers that loki has but there's never any real

01:07:36.300 letting into it and again these fragments part of the the corralling of the poems leaves us with

01:07:44.300 with many unanswered questions in relation to perhaps other stories.

01:07:49.560 Belyst and Helblinde are two beings mentioned as being connected to

01:07:55.860 or like siblings of Loki.

01:07:59.680 And the only reason why we know this is because the reference to Loki

01:08:04.240 is through this kenning, Belyst's brother.

01:08:08.080 now the possibility of

01:08:11.760 there being perhaps another reference uh that this like because they already mentioned that

01:08:19.600 at the helm there is loki and generally translations people believe that bilis brother

01:08:25.280 is loki but could they be also referring to hell blindi it's again one of those um

01:08:32.840 kind of, you know, roads into the water, um, where we may not ever get the

01:08:40.840 connection point. And I, that's one of the most frustrating, frustrating things about,

01:08:47.260 um, the lore is like, well, who is Billy's brother? Oh, most people equate it to Loki,

01:08:53.740 but they've mentioned Loki as being at the head. So, uh, you know, is, is this a reference

01:09:02.700 elsewhere or perhaps to hellblending we don't know so even though it clearly states from the

01:09:09.980 east you know the comes the sons of muspel cert from the south fares forth um with the scourge

01:09:18.840 of branches and of course this uh this is a kenning for fire and flame 0.97

01:09:25.220 um so we have here uh the son of the battle gods shown from his sword

01:09:40.340 now this is a this is a an interesting thing i think what they're the translation is misplaced

01:09:48.420 in the idea that they're talking about the skeins of light that shine from or the spark of must

01:09:54.720 The flames of Muspel shine forth in skeins of light from his sword or from his weapon.

01:10:05.700 And they liken his sword to like a beam of the sun.

01:10:10.400 And again, I think that parallels to the usage of the idea that the sun is a spark of Muspel

01:10:20.080 And that the dominion over that spark is placed upon a divine power

01:10:25.200 That holds that arcing order in the world

01:10:29.100 But is not the sun itself

01:10:32.600 Just as much as the earth is the body of Ymir 0.76

01:10:37.140 and that the dominion over that is Yarth or Nertha 0.99

01:10:42.680 and, you know, begetting of the Vanir and Fricka.

01:10:50.480 So we see here, he says, 0.99

01:10:53.980 the crags are sundered, the giant women sink.

01:11:00.740 the the uh the dead throng hell way and heaven is cloven and i really love that line um

01:11:14.700 it's it's such a powerful line in the idea of what we're talking about

01:11:21.380 is that the the mountains of heaven are shaken that the the nornir in essence

01:11:30.580 are drawing in the road to hell is is breached and so the below and the above are both kind of

01:11:40.940 in a way met and um the the clovenness of heaven is such a powerful thing and in in the in the uh

01:11:53.640 translation in 52, it says in him in Klovenar. And so again, I want to reemphasize to a lot of

01:12:00.720 the folks that might not realize that heaven is a Germanic word. It is a German word. It is not

01:12:06.300 in Aramaic. It is not in Hebrew. It is, it is our word, if you will. And so a lot of people,

01:12:15.600 you know, definitely get caught up on that. Like they do the word church. And, you know,

01:12:21.540 even though we could clearly talk about the circle or, or the Greek, you know, usage of the

01:12:26.020 word heaven is ours and it is quite clear. So, um, uh, you know, as below is above, everything is

01:12:35.280 cloven open. And so, okay, this is an interesting one here. Uh, anybody that is familiar with the

01:12:44.360 our senior at length of all the goddesses and um we we clearly have a reference to clean uh

01:12:55.880 and it says now comes to lean yet another hurt and a lot of people have always correlated

01:13:02.760 uh clean directly to frig and that's where a lot of the hypostasis idea comes from this perhaps

01:13:10.120 Perhaps Frigg is Hlyn and Frigg is Saga and Frigg is so on and so forth, but I would say it's worth noting that what Hlyn is, is an ausenior directly in correlation to the protection of those that Frigg is beloved.

01:13:34.400 She loves and cares for, and Hlyn then is the arbiter of that protection. And so the sorrow of Hlyn would be that one of the beloved of her lady, Frigg, is doomed now.

01:13:54.200 And so I think it would be worth stating that it could simply be just as it is, and that there's no reason to try to correlate these two and get confused. It's just understanding the Alseñor.

01:14:05.340 I think that the Alseñor, when we talk about the goddesses and we talk about the two major goddesses, absolutely and clearly, unshakably, are Freyga and Freyja.

01:14:17.620 And when we talk about the Ausenir in relation to, like, say, Sauga and Sjolven and Ljolven and Var and Vor, these Ausenir are kind of, again, correlated in as a, seen as kind of a court or seen as kind of as a, perhaps, spokes in a wheel.

01:14:44.460 where, you know, Frigga is kind of at center

01:14:50.600 because a lot of the motion that Frigga has in the world,

01:14:53.840 or she's of stasis,

01:14:55.080 but the motion around her is through the Asenir.

01:14:58.620 And so, again, now comes to Hlyn yet another hurt.

01:15:05.560 When Odin fares to fight with the wolf

01:15:07.800 and Belli's fair slayer,

01:15:12.040 This, of course, is referencing to Lord Frey, as he has been referred to as the Slayer of Beli, seeks out Surt.

01:15:24.240 And so these two are kind of, again, correlating the end dooming and connection points.

01:15:32.420 And so Odin fares forth to fight the wolf, and Frey fares forth to fight Surt.

01:15:39.760 And if you take things quite literally, you would be like, well, why are those two mentioned as being the hurt of Hlynne? And I think it's just simply noting that the protection and the charge of the beloved of Frigg is about to meet the doom. And that is yet another hurt.

01:15:57.380 and i think that when we're talking about yet another we're talking about balder balder is

01:16:04.020 of course clean is you know in charge of in the protection of of him as beloved of frigga and now

01:16:11.140 to another hurt is to come and then you know again the the addition of lord fray

01:16:18.420 fighting cert is again doesn't quite correlate but uh there must fall the joy of frigg which is

01:16:26.020 of course, Lord Odin is the joy of Frigg. So, uh, 53 is, I think a lot of people read into it too

01:16:34.700 much, but it's an understanding of poetics and the addition of, and Bedley's fair slayer

01:16:40.880 seeks out Cirque is, is again, an addition that throws a lot of people off. If you look at line

01:16:47.880 one, line two, and line four in, in stanza 53, they're all in correlation to Odin. And I've

01:16:55.060 often wondered was this an interjection was this something that during the compiling of the poem

01:17:02.380 it was added in order to create the correct you know like meter um because it just kind of sticks

01:17:10.220 out um but you know that's again perhaps that was just something that at the time and understanding

01:17:20.460 with Snorri's translations and with the compiling of, of all of the adas at that time, you know,

01:17:27.220 we're talking, um, about 150 years after Iceland is converted. So there is a lot that can happen

01:17:37.380 in those translations and it's, you know, just worth considering. Um, so in stanza 54, then

01:17:45.380 comes Sigfather's mighty son, Vidar, to fight the foaming wolf. In the giant sun does he thrust his

01:17:57.040 sword, full to the heart his father avenged. So the usage of the sword, the usage of, you know,

01:18:13.860 again, the avengement of, and in the giant sun, the understanding of who that exactly is,

01:18:26.500 is the Jotunar, or the Jotunborn Loki, who is the son of his father, Faurbaut. So this is Fenris,

01:18:35.140 Um, or this is the, the, the chaos wolf that is being avenged by Vidar, who has come to finally commit to his correct action and bringing that. So, you know, we talk about these, the, the meetings of, of these, uh, one for ones in, in the Volospao.

01:18:57.580 And there are, of course, gleanings in other poetics, but here it's pretty much just, you know, straightforward

01:19:03.660 In 55, the translation here is truly, again, kind of, you know, interesting

01:19:14.840 You know, in the Old Norse, this is

01:19:20.120 And, you know, it says

01:19:32.340 Which is an interesting, you know, use of the translation

01:19:39.220 I mean, I don't understand why it simply couldn't be

01:19:42.540 Sig father, victory father

01:19:44.760 um the the bright snake gapes to heaven above um against the serpent goes oh then son

01:19:56.200 and this one is uh is again still draws a great amount of um you know uh question as far as um

01:20:06.120 where we go and a lot of people reference uh the halk book halk's book and which this stanza doesn't

01:20:15.540 even um exist it's not placed within there um clothing of course too is is another uh you know

01:20:26.980 word for um yorth so again i think they're the reference there is is that bellows is trying to

01:20:35.740 say this, this is Thor coming forth, but he doesn't say like the son of the sick father.

01:20:41.740 He says the son of the earth. Um, and again, we, you know, we talk about that quite often with

01:20:50.400 Lord Thor as he is the primogen of, um, natural order and, or I mean, uh, natural law and cosmic

01:21:00.580 order he is the exact um birthing point of those two powers um that makes him different than say

01:21:09.140 perhaps any of the other children beget between from the earth is that he is of the earth in the

01:21:16.420 sky specifically and that's why at the the mural at thorsoff he is wearing uh red and gold in his

01:21:23.700 chest with a with a blue cape uh again fire and um light and the air and then his his leggings

01:21:33.220 and his wraps are brown and green excuse me and blue representing the earth and the water

01:21:42.420 and so he is the coalescence of the two so thor now steps forth

01:21:50.180 to meet his doom

01:21:53.180 against the serpent.

01:22:00.420 And it's also worth noting too

01:22:02.260 in 54

01:22:02.820 that he doesn't

01:22:06.600 talk about the

01:22:08.480 again the referencing

01:22:10.580 of bringing up that

01:22:11.740 Garmur cries out

01:22:14.400 again at Nipah's

01:22:16.600 cave or Nipaheler.

01:22:18.320 Some people say just Nipah's cave

01:22:20.060 or Nipah's chasm or Nipah's gate, but it's the, you know, the underworld.

01:22:27.480 And that one, that part is repeated.

01:22:29.060 So if you're looking at 54 and it says, you know,

01:22:33.100 it's that repeated stanza and he doesn't include it in the English translation,

01:22:44.180 but cries out Garm from Nipah's cave.

01:22:50.060 So I don't know if you want to take questions or can we keep it?

01:23:02.500 So we don't really have any questions that have come about so far from the text.

01:23:06.240 I think that, you know, maybe some of the poetic expressions of these things are unfamiliar

01:23:14.320 or confusing but i think most people understand what's going on here um most people understand

01:23:23.440 and are of our audience are familiar at least in broad terms with the events of ragnarok

01:23:30.400 and i think that's i don't know i think folks are are listening and taking in the the beauty of the

01:23:38.080 poetry and in the different nuances that you're you know linking them into uh one thing i think is

01:23:46.240 worth noting is the

01:23:50.480 interchangeability of um

01:23:58.400 jotnar of the forces from muspel and the forces from jotenheim

01:24:08.080 earlier in this series when we talked about how there is a variety of giants that are

01:24:18.000 talked about in our lore there's also a variety of in our lore there are a lot of terms that get

01:24:27.840 broadly applied based on a thing's allegiances. We see that the Iser originally referred to a

01:24:41.280 tribe of gods, a particular kind of gods, but after the first war of the gods,

01:24:49.920 two groups of gods all come under that heading of Iser from their own out.

01:24:54.960 they're all aligned they're in a place of alignment when the you know there's big grand

01:25:05.280 jotens that are primordial forces of like big cosmic things

01:25:14.080 those often are wise and you know some are even

01:25:19.520 beneficial to the gods to interact with here and there or to to mate with here and there

01:25:28.480 and if and when they do they then go into that icier category as well but the others that

01:25:34.480 don't and the ones with ill intention form this bigger group of yotnar which kind of encompasses

01:25:42.960 all of the bad guys if you will you see at various times

01:25:49.520 Jormungandr

01:25:51.520 or Fenrir

01:25:52.940 referred to as

01:25:55.580 giants or as the can of giants

01:25:57.980 or with this

01:25:59.880 Jotun attachment to them.

01:26:03.060 You see

01:26:03.540 that

01:26:05.500 used a lot. You also see that with the

01:26:07.860 idea of a

01:26:09.720 troll later. A troll can

01:26:11.760 mean lots of different kinds 0.80

01:26:13.900 of bad stuff

01:26:16.060 we don't like that's on the bad

01:26:17.780 guys team.

01:26:19.520 Those words kind of all have those things. And you see it in a more positive way on the term elf or alf. It can mean a variety of different types of beings that are in an elevated state closer to our gods.

01:26:38.220 some of which are male ancestors, some of which occupy the natural world and are land spirits.

01:26:46.900 Some of them, you know, are conceived of as like the Yule Elf that delivers presents and stuff.

01:26:58.920 A lot of those good, beneficial spirits are Alvar, just like any of the bad enemies of order, enemies of the gods, forces of chaos get the term Jotunar applied to them in a way.

01:27:17.920 And it's just something to kind of track in your head as we go through the information.

01:27:21.340 Yeah, and it's, you know, if you're able to read along on this, the 54 and 55, especially in relation to like Hauksbach and how the standing, you know, evidence of the verses are kind of in bad shape.

01:27:38.400 But there's, you know, it's also, you know, worth noting that Bellows kind of shifts things around because in 55, you know, he says, then comes in great strength, sick father.

01:27:48.160 And I got that mixed up. You know, he, the old Norse, he has, you know, it's 55, but he says it in 54. Then comes Sigfather's mighty son. And I, you know, realizing that Bellows' translations kind of, again, chop things up and then rearrange them on his end kind of throws me off as I'm reading the old Norse side.

01:28:11.920 and it's like oh you know some are correct in their placement and other times he he shifts

01:28:18.260 things over in the english version keep keep in mind here you're trying to get

01:28:23.920 the bigger points that are laid out and you're trying to get an understanding of

01:28:30.580 a better way of relating to our gods through our lore the lore as it's come to us is not perfect

01:28:39.540 You can see in the text that we have where Bellows makes a mistake in translation from the original source material, which is, again, many generations after the first telling of this in that language,

01:29:00.940 which in and of itself is eons after the origin of these events as our you know the spark occurs

01:29:11.420 divinely in our folk to manifest into our lore and our edict stories so the exact specifics of

01:29:20.560 all these things are fun exercises to try to hunt down and as you can tell by swan's enthusiasm on

01:29:26.640 these things. It's cool and it's fun and it's worthwhile to do. And you learn a lot through

01:29:31.540 the etymology. But the point of all of this is to better understand and build relationship with our

01:29:38.220 gods and to align ourselves with them. And I suppose that's another thing that's worth mentioning

01:29:44.160 going forward. And again, we're going to do this from time to time is take little detours off the

01:29:51.000 lore to talk about some of these points as they're relevant relevant to usager so

01:30:00.840 just as i rent um

01:30:06.760 beings are known

01:30:10.200 in our lore by their points of allegiance we saw it with brandy when we were talking about

01:30:17.160 different groups of people in beowulf we've seen it throughout throughout this when we talk about

01:30:24.520 the forces aligned with order versus the forces aligned with chaos the defining characteristic

01:30:30.520 of these people is the team that they are loyal to choosing a side matters there's not celebration

01:30:41.960 of any of the figures that sit by and aren't on either team people pick a side

01:30:50.360 people pick a side and put on the jersey and that's really important to define

01:30:56.040 who someone is something essential to an ausitru mind frame is defining you by who your friends are

01:31:06.600 who your family are what team you have aligned yourself with tells us who you are if you don't

01:31:14.600 stand with any team that's terrible that was the worst thing to our ancestors was the concept of

01:31:21.400 being an outsider being a loner you wanted to be part of a community part of a tribe part of a

01:31:28.120 family part of a house and so it's really important in also true that you take those sides the word

01:31:35.320 means loyal to the Aesir. It's not just we believe in the gods or we, you know, ascribe to this

01:31:45.600 generic, we generically associate ourselves with this corpus of lore as the backdrop for our

01:31:53.720 existence. It's much more than that. It's this being our corpus of understanding of

01:31:59.760 our cosmology and then us taking the extra step to be loyal and to affirm our loyalty and our

01:32:09.580 standing with the Isir. And those are two really important, you know, separate things. 0.91

01:32:16.920 There's been a movement, I say movement, there's a current in 1.00

01:32:22.000 heathenry as the you know unaffiliated people would kind of call themselves in modern times to 1.00

01:32:33.660 accept the mythos accept the cosmology but not um 0.86

01:32:42.960 define their stance in it or their loyalties to it.

01:32:49.080 And that's firmly not what we do in the Ausitru Folk Assembly

01:32:55.580 and not what being Ausitru means.

01:32:59.080 A similar thing is in Christianity, for example,

01:33:07.080 You have Christians that define themselves by their loyalty to Christ, and you have Satanists that most of them don't even really believe or really worship the Christian devil as much as they stand in opposition to Christian normalcy.

01:33:32.480 But the point of commonality is they all accept the Judeo-Christian mythos as their canvas that their life is painted upon.

01:33:45.020 They accept that as the reality they're within.

01:33:47.400 For a time, that was the only commonality in modern Alcitru was this idea of loosely believing that this myth cycle is our myth cycle.

01:34:02.480 and you had you know misguided people trying to be roca true or vana true or all these

01:34:11.440 different little things to make themselves a special snowflake

01:34:18.400 no we first accept this is our reality and then from that place of understanding we choose to

01:34:26.400 stand loyally with the iser and that's that is a fundamental to our practice

01:34:39.920 you mentioning that and just um again i you know the rampantness versus the tangibility

01:34:46.800 of ideals the rampantness of people to like edge lord the edge lording of edge lords like

01:34:53.280 Like they were seeking these kind of like finite and brittle crusts in order to establish themselves as being some pioneers of ideals.

01:35:05.740 And I really think that that was ultimately, you could see, especially when in relation to people claiming that they were loyal to the Jotun or the Jotnar or Rakatru or whatever the hell they want to call themselves,

01:35:22.300 is that in reality, they're applying this concept that I started to see in the early 2000s, 2006, 2007,

01:35:34.620 is the idea of the Germanic ideals of heroism, the Aryan ideals of divine heroism and nobility were being rejected.

01:35:44.400 And that it was the Jotunar who were actually kind of misunderstood. 0.96

01:35:48.400 And that the gods were just Chad jerks, like, you know, bullying or being or what have you. 0.97

01:35:56.960 That was a clear thing. 0.97

01:35:58.600 That was something that absolutely, even though it wasn't said outright, was clearly being leveled.

01:36:05.900 These people are basically saying that their worldview is that the gods of order,

01:36:11.780 which they don't really truly see them as or believe in them are you know the bullies of the

01:36:18.500 of the thing and the misunderstood and so you clearly see they're really just painting

01:36:22.740 a kind of world view or a philosophy that they have upon the gods and that is

01:36:29.860 you know in pious and it's it's highest form of just i can't even like conceptualize around it

01:36:38.580 again i have seen worse in illustration but that's pretty bad just in i guess living your your your

01:36:46.900 convictions out loud these people are basically stating that um and what hubris to to be able to

01:36:56.340 to live in a world where um you know that if this if the sky was to quake above them it would

01:37:02.420 clearly shake them to their core but when they're at home and they're at in their armchairs they can

01:37:07.860 you know state like oh well the gods are really like the bullies of the whole thing and 0.97

01:37:12.180 the yotnar are misunderstood and you know it's like that it's kind of the the obliviousness of

01:37:17.860 being so disconnected from natural law and cosmic order at at the height and i think that the i think 0.97

01:37:27.460 that the yotnar revel in that ignorance they revel in that um their inability to kind of ground 0.58

01:37:35.860 themselves in the divine measurement in which the gods have stated and placed before us and uh you 0.87

01:37:43.400 know again if you that you are a supporter of that disillusion if you're a supporter of that

01:37:48.300 cosmic um kind of chaos you are not ausitru and you are in essence kind of feeding into the overall

01:37:57.100 um and i think that also came about with a lot of the the blanket caveat was that according to the

01:38:04.260 lore uh snorty was just christianizing things and again i spoke about that in the last um

01:38:11.240 episode is that that is not i think a correct path for any of us to follow

01:38:16.200 is understanding that our our ancestors did see you know a darkness and a light there was a

01:38:22.960 gold and an and an uh evil there was good and evil there was you know him and yeah and hell

01:38:29.480 And it was just that, yes, perhaps there is Christianization in context, but it's not being made up as in like there's an absence of it. It's just that he's changing the context. We still have those, those points and references.

01:38:47.360 they so these people were just basically creating you know caveat arguments in order to get out and

01:38:54.820 do what they wanted to do i'm sorry i'm reading some of the comments corroborated by tumblr

01:39:04.280 what a terrible place yes uh that that was what i was speaking of in relation to the blasphemy of

01:39:11.600 and I'll use that word 0.85

01:39:13.440 not because it's ours

01:39:15.460 but because it's worth it

01:39:17.320 the

01:39:18.920 terrible pictures

01:39:21.700 of 1.00

01:39:22.380 the Aosa being

01:39:25.680 utilized for political

01:39:27.580 jargons

01:39:29.420 Sif wearing 0.99

01:39:31.700 a hijab was probably 1.00

01:39:33.500 the most 1.00

01:39:34.260 just enraging to see

01:39:39.800 as if that was

01:39:43.180 or in some case

01:39:44.700 because her hair was cut off in the story by Loki

01:39:47.360 that now she's 0.93

01:39:49.020 down for wearing Muslim 0.99

01:39:51.220 garb

01:39:51.840 or

01:39:55.060 that Lord

01:39:57.060 Tyr and the fact that his hand

01:39:59.160 the hand is missing that he's somehow

01:40:00.960 you know

01:40:05.040 what is it

01:40:06.300 or able

01:40:07.740 or i guess pro handicapness or whatever tumblr and and basically impious people

01:40:17.680 they abound and they have a new medium in which they can spread a lot of these ideals

01:40:22.340 and uh yes it's terrible but there's a lot of people that are kind of working against it

01:40:27.900 and i think too another thing that's worth noting is a lot of these people either fall away

01:40:31.680 and don't continue on with their faith towards the gods they're just using the gods as to prop

01:40:37.720 up their political ideology yeah sorry adam yes uh it's wearing a hijab that was uh that was brutal

01:40:47.820 um is uh you know these they're utilizing the gods to kind of push their agendas and that is 0.90

01:40:58.120 the greatest way of understanding that they don't believe in the gods as powers they don't believe

01:41:03.700 that the gods have dominion in their life they don't believe that and that could ultimately

01:41:08.020 extend to the to the yoknar as well this is just a game for them this is just something that they're

01:41:13.280 doing on the weekends this is just a lexicon of words that they utilize to i guess apply their 0.97

01:41:20.500 their shitty ideology. 0.97

01:41:26.620 And it's, 1.00

01:41:27.820 it's,

01:41:28.080 it's infuriating.

01:41:29.400 Absolutely.

01:41:30.740 Handicapable.

01:41:34.080 Terrible.

01:41:38.120 So let's moving on from that.

01:41:41.920 I was here.

01:41:42.900 I'm ranting,

01:41:46.340 if you will.

01:41:47.740 No,

01:41:47.980 no,

01:41:48.180 you're fine.

01:41:48.940 It's,

01:41:49.360 it's absurd and we don't 1.00

01:41:55.760 by rejecting the foreign 0.98

01:42:02.080 faith of Christianity and rejecting

01:42:04.340 its mythos 0.61

01:42:06.200 that's one step

01:42:10.420 but if we're just transferring

01:42:12.440 the same rebellious

01:42:14.600 edgelord stuff 0.99

01:42:16.380 but putting a Norse

01:42:18.340 coat of paint on it, it's not fixing the problem. I think a lot of our people talk about shifting

01:42:29.320 our worldview. And some of that has to do with shifting our points of reference from a Judaic

01:42:38.000 system of points of reference to a Aryan system of points of reference. But it's much more than

01:42:45.780 that that's a step to get us into a different way of seeing the world but what takes you from

01:42:53.780 something else to being also true isn't that it's that and then aligning yourself with the forces of

01:43:01.540 nobility and order without that other step you're just a different flavor of degenerate edgelord

01:43:12.100 with different symbols

01:43:18.580 well um again a lot of the beauty of um the poetics are here in bellow's

01:43:27.140 translations but there's like some key points too that again

01:43:31.060 kind of show up in relation to perhaps the way he

01:43:35.860 translates things um so you know he says in anger smites

01:43:41.380 the water of the earth forth from their homes must all men flee nine paces fares the son of

01:43:52.580 fjorkin we'll get into that and slain by the serpent fearless he sinks so uh you know in 56

01:44:03.060 in the Old Norse,

01:44:04.600 Thaukamerin,

01:44:05.920 Mairi Moir,

01:44:08.000 Hlodh Inar,

01:44:11.500 Inar.

01:44:12.580 He now comes in might, 0.96

01:44:15.640 the son of Hlodh, 0.89

01:44:19.700 the earth.

01:44:20.440 So the earth's son,

01:44:22.960 of the earth and of Odin,

01:44:25.900 he comes forth

01:44:27.020 to meet the mighty Midgard serpent.

01:44:31.240 And in Midgard's, the usage of the word veyur is really one that I like to, you know, key in on there

01:44:42.780 Is the, you know, from the might of Midgard's holiness

01:44:53.440 The veyur, the strength of

01:44:55.800 So now we're talking about the might of Thor against Jormungandr.

01:45:03.500 And in this, I like to conceptualize some of the things as we're talking about perhaps greater cosmic ideals instead of just nitpicking on poetics is that I kind of feel when we're talking about the sun of the earth and of the sky,

01:45:19.600 If we're talking about Lord Thor as his point between natural law and cosmic order, between the sky and the earth, between all of these things, I find it oftentimes worth considering the might of his being in relation to the earth as like the magnetic.

01:45:42.420 um sometimes you know and as we know in this understanding and i've spoken about that before

01:45:47.200 as our understanding of science kind of also helps perhaps look at myth or mythos in an interesting

01:45:54.160 way uh is is this this moment of understanding of like perhaps the magnetic pull or the currents of

01:46:04.520 the of the waters in relation to each other and how these kind of come about and with our

01:46:09.800 understanding of perhaps the flows underneath the earth and the flows above the earth. We're

01:46:17.140 starting to see that, again, the great shifting. And I've often wondered about the nine paces.

01:46:23.960 There's a lot of theories on it, or conceptualizations, I should say, not theories,

01:46:30.180 conceptualizations to the nine paces. The nine paces could be simply a poetic

01:46:34.760 reestablishing of the holy number nine. It could again also be seen as perhaps phases in which

01:46:42.400 the turning of the earth and the currents are composed of as they move and change as this

01:46:51.000 fight between Lord Thor and Jormungandr commit. Oh, I also wanted to mention that Jormungandr

01:47:00.880 means the gigantic wand uh again and this is a poetic reference to a snake not having legs

01:47:08.220 um a snake not having legs in an essence is a gondar but it's a turning uh coiling gigantic

01:47:17.880 wand is a poetic usage of of the name of the great serpent so if we were to say the world serpent

01:47:24.620 or the, you know, the mighty serpent that looses its tail, you know, it's an equivalency with

01:47:32.740 English that we could say that without, you know, saying the direct translation or because that

01:47:38.540 would lose its poetic meaning. But Jormungandr is oftentimes just viewed as, oh, it's, you know,

01:47:45.480 I've heard people say like Jormungandr or Jormungandr as just a name without, you know,

01:47:50.740 contextualizing its poetic meaning but um you know i wonder often if the skulls that speak of the

01:48:01.160 stories of the gods if the name of like to conceptualize the idea that what if iormangander

01:48:07.640 is a name that is is utilized for poetic meaning in the old norse but was not spoken of in direct

01:48:17.060 like referencing before the understanding of the serpent is as old as

01:48:22.900 um our people and the idea of then this coalescence of the warrior fighting the serpent

01:48:29.280 the striker fighting the great worm it's all there but it's you know i i think it's important

01:48:37.800 for us to understand that iormangandr is the old norse referencing to this force this this being

01:48:47.880 this serpent the the the that are no undoubtedly our ancestors knew of spoke of and we can clearly

01:48:56.040 see it through all arian mythos um as not being called iormangandr is that it's like the the force

01:49:05.000 is older than the name but the name is also important because it's one of the last and most

01:49:09.800 beautifully poetically you know uh levied names towards this this creature so when people you

01:49:18.260 know speak i think like in when they're coming into aussitur and they're speaking about the

01:49:22.580 stories and they they oh that that's the serpent is jormungandr and jormungandr is the you know

01:49:29.060 fights with thor and instead they should also kind of open up to understanding that

01:49:34.800 Thor, Thunor, Thonoraz, Donor, he has many names or variants of names in our languages,

01:49:45.620 but he is that mighty god who is fighting against that mighty force. And it goes past the Viking

01:49:54.600 age. And I say that with air quotes. And it's worth noting that. And again, it places itself 0.57

01:50:04.620 when people try to overly translate and stick strictly to Old Norse without conceptualizing

01:50:11.480 origin of story and where stories come from and why they were spoken. They were not spoken always

01:50:19.800 in poetics. They were spoken as tales. And then those tales, you know, can be formulized into

01:50:27.520 And it's beautiful, and even to the point where, again, it's almost semi-scripturesque in the idea of how beautiful it sounded, but I don't think we should overly focus to the point where we lose origin and core and understanding.

01:50:46.820 Again, that applies here with the son of Fjörgen.

01:50:53.120 So Fjörgen is like the word yarth. 0.65

01:50:57.080 It is in relation to, and Snorri calls her a jotin.

01:51:01.700 We know that the goddess of the earth, as according to Tacitus spoke of, he calls her nerthus.

01:51:08.220 um and so a lot of times this correlation um is you know seen as more of a linguistic and not a

01:51:18.580 hypostasis thing is that the old norse simply just called nerthus yarth because it means the

01:51:23.780 same thing it's the earth it's where we get the word earth from it's where we get the word hearth

01:51:28.040 And in the same sense, when we talk about Frigga being born of the earth, so Fjorkiner can represent, and it throws people off because it's mentioned clearly as Fjorkin as she is the goddess of the earth or the dominion of the earth, and she bears forth Frigga.

01:51:53.180 And a lot of people try to, again, hypostasis her and Frigga as being simply the same, or they need to make, again, Odin is singular sky daddy and Frigga now is singular earth mommy.

01:52:07.220 And all of those iterations and the plurality of polytheism kind of starts to get washed away, even by people who claim that they're polytheists.

01:52:15.780 um the uh the the idea of the usage of the word fjörkiner clearly states that he is the son of

01:52:24.060 the earth and that the earth is again yarth or the the the birthing of of the solid to the sky

01:52:35.160 the the above and in that case you know Odin is the sky father that's what he is the father and

01:52:42.040 he is of the sky and he comes and he, you know, melds with Fjörgen or with the earth in the

01:52:53.480 beginning when the battle is ensuing. So, you know, a lot of people try to conceptualize,

01:53:01.100 well, no, he couldn't be with Yarth. He would have to be with Frigga, but they're trying to

01:53:07.520 create marriage lines or uh you know different things and they lose context of what's going on

01:53:15.080 here uh as lord odin is dynamic and he is threefold one of his folds comes down and

01:53:22.920 impregnates the earth and the earth then gives forth the the great being of fury that is

01:53:29.740 lord thor so um i just uh you know wanted to contextualize that they're they're talking about

01:53:37.200 him as the son of the earth but that kind of levies itself to be again the son of yard the son

01:53:44.060 of the earth as a goddess or and as a being that is a domin the dominion of the body of emir um

01:53:55.740 and that puts a lot of uh people in a tizzy um i don't know why but it's like again i think that

01:54:02.440 When it comes to tangible bodies, whether we're talking about the earth or the moon or the sun, it's very clear for us to say, or even just let's just say people that we know, like, oh, that's Mother Nature.

01:54:14.860 Don't mess with Mother Nature. But the manifestation of the elements or the earth, our ancestors saw as much like an inhabited thing, like a house or the dominion of the earth is being formulated by Yarth.

01:54:34.680 And so therefore he is of the earth through her and of the ground itself, kind of both the spiritual and the tangible, if you will.

01:54:46.420 Um, so in, in, uh, stanza, uh, 57, uh, the sun turns black, the earth sinks in the sea,

01:55:05.280 the hot stars down from heaven, our world fierce grows the steam and the life feeding flame.

01:55:16.420 till fire leaps high about heaven itself even the sky is on fire

01:55:23.280 the um the one thing here i wanted to see is in relation to a specific word but we're talking

01:55:35.880 about now that the the heavens are engulfed in flames as well in lieu of the earth because

01:55:42.280 remember when we're talking about the heavenly world the center and the above and so if the earth

01:55:49.360 and the world is on fire the the now the flames are reaching the place of the aloftness uh even

01:55:57.700 the tree is being singed by the flames now and that's a you know that's a huge you know huge

01:56:05.000 point as we're seeing movement again in reference to flames. Let me see here.

01:56:17.000 I was wondering too, if you wanted to take a couple of questions.

01:56:21.880 ah yes um the turning turning black so instead um yeah the the kind of dimming

01:56:33.200 to turn into darkness the sun turns into the darkness um

01:56:38.480 and the you know the the great power of the earth uh sinks into the waves

01:56:45.760 um and and um heaven is stirred

01:56:52.300 uh great torrents flow um

01:56:58.740 and old flames are you know lick the edges of heaven as it is it is uh uh set ablaze

01:57:08.560 um 58 then does commit and he adds this he correlates it even though he didn't before

01:57:16.080 uh uh garm cries out again from from nipahel um the fetters will burst the wolf will run free

01:57:28.920 much do i know and more i can see of the fate of the gods and the mighty in fight

01:57:33.540 So this, again, is one of those repetition lines that re-emphasizes and re-contextualizes who's speaking.

01:57:41.040 The Vala is speaking. A lot is going on here.

01:57:44.500 So there's so much being kind of projected forth that the poet utilizes this as like an anchor point.

01:57:52.100 So as the poet could read through the stanzas from memory in his head, he would then come back to this point.

01:58:00.140 and then like okay after this verse there is this stuff that i need to finish on and perhaps this

01:58:07.820 verse is kind of like a hearkening of the finish it is the final gate in which we move through

01:58:14.100 in order to kind of close out the poem um and this is again it becomes uh very very quick

01:58:26.180 now i do see the earth a new rise all green from the waves again uh he writes the cataracts fall

01:58:34.940 and the and the eagle flies i think this is uh again the overhead all that which is blocking

01:58:43.820 light and blocking the wind is kind of falls and he uses the the cataracts which i thought was

01:58:50.340 truly interesting um and and fish he catches between or beneath the cliffs

01:58:59.000 the eagle catches the fish so everything comes back into order the natural kind of inclination

01:59:15.200 So she really jumps into kind of the destruction of all things to the immediacy of it being kind of reordered again and that things are kind of brought.

01:59:27.340 I've always kind of taken this as perhaps after the great turning of this sundering, this breaking apart, that the order of the eagle catching the fish is, again, the telling of a great amount of time in which things have to work themselves back to the semblance of what we could understand as being normal.

01:59:51.700 um the the gods in in uh and in um either valley in eitherville the gods and either of all meet

02:00:04.100 together again either of all is the plane of work it's the uh place in which ausgard is built

02:00:10.120 either of all is seen as kind of like the great spance it's a valley if you will um and so again

02:00:17.680 referencing to the gods being in a valley in heaven either of all is that place of potential

02:00:23.040 where ausgard was built i love you and uh they meet together and they speak of the of the uh

02:00:37.360 the holder of the soil the holder of the earth or mold is is dirt soil um

02:00:45.120 earth or ground. And so here they speak again of Jormungandr and the age before when things

02:00:58.980 were settled and the mighty past they call to mind and the ancient runes of the ruler

02:01:08.640 of the gods. Of course, this Fimbletir, they're referring to Lord Odin and his attainment of the

02:01:15.400 runes. So in stanza 60, the gods in Ithaval meet back together. And again, it's not referencing

02:01:23.060 to the sons of the gods, but I think it's understood that there are some who survive and

02:01:28.680 those who do not, and that they are anew in a different way. And now the new hierarchy

02:01:35.700 he is is attained the you know generally we speak of the rise of balder unified again whole um with

02:01:45.880 nana and that or that if you will it's like a balder and hob become one as the true form of

02:01:53.100 balder and um you know he takes his stead along with all of the other gods again multiplicity

02:02:02.900 And they speak of Lord Odin and his, the one who knew the way of the runes, who attained them through sacrifice.

02:02:12.840 That part right there

02:02:29.660 About the gathering of the gods

02:02:31.060 In Ithavol

02:02:33.440 And I think it's also worth referencing

02:02:35.500 That perhaps they're calling to mind 0.98

02:02:37.580 Ithavol because it's the place

02:02:39.580 In which Asgard stood

02:02:41.220 and that they're talking about the new potential being built up again.

02:02:53.400 In verse 61, we move into the Vala again describing the return.

02:03:01.820 This is the kind of the new dawn, if you will, of the gods as the cycle realigns itself again.

02:03:10.320 The holy land of the gods has been sundered.

02:03:16.120 Heaven was given asunder.

02:03:18.440 And now things are turning and that new dawn is to arise again.

02:03:23.640 In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden table stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in days of old.

02:03:31.200 So the remnants of the heavenly order, the remnants of all that which they built, the organization of the world, lays in ruin and they are being picked up by the new descendants of the gods.

02:03:45.580 then fields unsewed bear ripened fruit all ills grow better and balder return the balder comes

02:03:54.940 back there balder and hoth dwell in hrupt's battle hall in their father's hall they stand

02:04:04.200 and the mighty gods all of them would you yet would you know more you know would you uh would

02:04:13.260 you know yet more um here is an interesting part too i think that um one of the the points that i

02:04:24.780 bring up about uh lord odin as being the the three if you will the three is one and the one is three

02:04:32.860 is in here in reference to honor um and his taking of the of the prophetic wand um is the idea that

02:04:41.820 Lord Odin is three, but one. And if one is, one is taken down, he is not let go. He is not

02:04:54.580 destroyed in whole. Um, and so again, or, uh, uh, Vili, if you will, takes up the prophetic

02:05:05.480 like wands, the understanding of the runes, if you will, the tines.

02:05:16.620 And the sons of the brothers of Tveki abide in Vindheim now.

02:05:25.220 You know more or how?

02:05:28.040 So this is truly, I believe, like this is a really, really interesting translation.

02:05:40.300 When we talk about Twiggy, I think they're referencing to Odin, and I've brought this up numerous times about him being the trifold.

02:05:49.500 But if he is slain in Ragnarok as one, there are two that still remain in the idea.

02:05:57.660 but it's not two separate. It is still Odin. Odin still remains, but now is two. So he's the twined

02:06:06.360 one, the twisting one, the one that is, you know, bound together in twos. So I've always kind of

02:06:13.140 taken these translations as why I, at Odin's Hoff, when I spoke, I said Odin is three but one and one

02:06:21.300 but three, is again kind of in correlation to these stanzas and the idea that the dynamicism

02:06:27.440 of lord odin is that he is a tripartite and that tripartite is stilled after ragnarok because one

02:06:36.080 of the three is kind of destroyed but he is still here he is still uh you know takes place within

02:06:44.720 Vili, and as Vey, or in this, you know, Tveki, the twice-bound now instead of the tri-bound.

02:07:01.760 Then, more fair than the sun, a hall I see roost in gold, it is Gimli. And a lot of people have

02:07:09.080 always i i don't know where this came about the idea of gimli it stands there shall the righteous

02:07:15.240 rulers dwell and happiness ever there shall they have and um somewhere along the way someone was

02:07:21.080 trying to say like gimli is the heaven of the gods if they were it's like the place above

02:07:26.920 oscar or they try to create like another level i don't think that's the case i think this is

02:07:31.560 They're speaking of now the golden hall, the joyous hall of Gimli is the the new hall in which the gods commit their their enacting of order again.

02:07:49.340 And there comes up my all power to hold a mighty lord and all lands he rules.

02:07:58.080 And so this is an interesting one too, because this might very well be, again, perhaps an interpolation, but it says, you know,

02:08:14.820 thou kemer in riki that then comes in the kingdom at uh reyendomi the regent domini or the you know

02:08:25.360 again it's it's uh these words exist in united through arian languages is that this is the you

02:08:31.900 know in the kingdom um this this mighty uh world leader is to rule over and you can take this in a

02:08:42.240 lot of different ways. Some people have said, you know, this is the Christianization part.

02:08:45.520 It's not what he's talking about, you know, Jesus. And he has mentioned in other poetic

02:08:52.780 forms, a kind of correlation that may, I mean, that were far more clear, but he might not.

02:09:02.180 He could also be speaking of perhaps a worldly leader or an avatar of the gods that takes over

02:09:08.860 the dominion of the earth or takes a dominion of the folk or takes a dominion of of the the lands

02:09:15.700 um this could also have a historical reference and the idea that perhaps it was placed out that

02:09:21.780 like the king of norway or uh it was harold the fair hair kind of took over the dominion of norway

02:09:28.080 and so the idea of this trope of a of a of a uniting king is still there even outside of a

02:09:35.760 christian context so it doesn't always have to be that he's just throwing in this uh he's referring

02:09:42.040 to jesus he's he's christianizing it because again i think that facilitates that excuse elsewhere i

02:09:47.740 think what it's more important to say is that the the idea of a unifying leader comes forth and this

02:09:55.540 could be the leader of the gods or it could be the leader of the folk it's kind of left you know open

02:10:01.640 um and it says uh from below the dragon dark comes forth nithog still exists nithog the soul

02:10:13.720 of emir still rides because again he is he is not mentioned as being slain in all of ragnarok

02:10:22.680 um and from below you know he he comes forth flying from neither field from from the under

02:10:30.840 world or from from the land and the the shadow beneath uh the the bodies of men upon his or the

02:10:39.060 corpses he he bears upon his wings the serpent bright uh bright but now must sink so again i

02:10:45.880 think this is a another iteration and another reason why I often refer to Nidhogg as the soul

02:10:53.820 of Ymir is that he rises in the in the as his soul was released in the beginning then too he

02:11:03.420 rises up during the upsurgence and must sink down again as he is part of that gravitas the the soul

02:11:10.260 of Ymir and Nidhogg is as corresponded in polarity to the brightness and the soul power of Yggdrasil

02:11:17.900 and of Bor and Besla and their creation of heaven. These polarics have to exist. It's continuously

02:11:29.660 in our mythos cycle. And so they have to state it in a way to kind of, again, bring it. And I think

02:11:36.440 that's very Aryan so that's why 1.00

02:11:38.480 the stanza 65 I don't always

02:11:40.580 kind of correlate

02:11:41.940 strictly to snorty trying 0.99

02:11:44.480 to Christianize

02:11:46.500 anything as it is more or less

02:11:48.420 a reaffirming of

02:11:50.420 the unifier leadership

02:11:52.500 the unifier it could mean even

02:11:54.480 just like again

02:11:55.400 the rule of 0.92

02:11:58.460 over the folk 1.00

02:12:00.620 and that the folk now come

02:12:02.560 to

02:12:03.120 understanding the gods and

02:12:06.280 and living their life in unification under the rulership and the regent of faith itself towards the gods

02:12:15.680 and are no longer sundered or broken.

02:12:19.540 I think it's far too easy for us to take anything that's confusing in the lore

02:12:27.340 and immediately, oh, well, Snorri's trying to Christianize it.

02:12:31.560 I think that's an easy answer for anything that we don't understand, and I think that's intellectually lazy, and I don't think it's doing our job to try to understand our lore, understand our faith, and build a better understanding of our God for us and the wisdom of our ancestors.

02:12:58.460 um there's nothing in there it talks about jesus um i and as fawn said i don't think we have

02:13:09.280 perfect clues on exactly what that reference at the very end is um

02:13:15.820 but the idea of unifying are just constantly bickering people that have such hard times

02:13:26.320 get along with each other unifying them under a mighty lord that controls things and that's in

02:13:34.620 charge of stuff is a really nice idea it can mean a lot of different things and to struggle to

02:13:41.620 come to a more perfect understanding of what that might be i think is interesting and inspirational

02:13:48.640 and shouldn't just be a, oh, that's just Jesus stuff.

02:13:53.920 Like a quick go-to, and I think that's lazy and unfair.

02:14:02.240 I think one of the things that I'm very,

02:14:08.760 I've always been very inspired by

02:14:11.600 is some of this imagery in the Veloce Vau,

02:14:15.220 How the cycle of our divinity starts and ends in this tale with the bookends of structuring order and restructuring order.

02:14:43.500 The bookends of, you know, in wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden table stand with the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.

02:14:54.600 This reestablishment of the natural order of our gods and divinity within the cosmos after that wolf age and that time of destruction.

02:15:06.740 it's been very inspirational

02:15:12.080 in the fact that

02:15:15.800 we are

02:15:16.560 reforging the faith

02:15:19.840 of our ancestors

02:15:20.740 that we went through a period

02:15:23.880 of a thousand years

02:15:25.840 or more depending on the place

02:15:27.800 of our gods

02:15:30.060 being submerged

02:15:31.860 in the murk and the deep 1.00

02:15:33.340 of Christianity

02:15:36.160 and our reclaiming the things of our ancestors,

02:15:43.500 resetting things up, rewriting the tables,

02:15:46.480 reoccupying the halls, honoring the gods once again.

02:15:54.520 That imagery is very inspirational to Ausitru

02:15:58.740 as we have it today and the things that we're doing,

02:16:02.260 the things that we're doing together

02:16:03.660 and the goals that we're trying to achieve.

02:16:06.560 I think that that imagery is a powerful thing

02:16:09.540 to guide us through that process.

02:16:19.020 So I hope you guys enjoyed it as much as I did.

02:16:24.580 I've enjoyed having this time

02:16:26.840 to go through the Valespa with you

02:16:28.620 and I've really enjoyed listening to Witten Svahn.

02:16:34.300 share his deep insights on this with us and and go through this with us so thank you very much for

02:16:41.740 that swan oh absolutely oh absolutely this is good and i'm reading these comments i'm reading a lot

02:16:51.180 of these uh great points i think one thing that was brought up is um you know the the ideas uh

02:16:58.460 you'll hear a lot of the word interpolation in relation to the like when they're looking at

02:17:04.060 hauxbock and um the regis the codex regis and uh is there an interpolation or was it dropped out

02:17:11.740 was it forced in there's a lot of that but if if we read the entirety of it as as the stories

02:17:19.820 themselves that i think they're it's clear that they have like a great correlate when people

02:17:24.620 correlate the futhark with the you know the volus bow here's the other thing in relation

02:17:30.380 if this is the only edict poem that you ever read or have ever read then there's all kind

02:17:37.020 of references to things you may not be familiar with there's things that may not make as much sense

02:17:46.220 one of the things with our lord is there's not a clear stopping and starting point

02:17:52.860 because it's gathered from far and wide once you become more familiar with all of the different

02:18:03.660 stories that we have access to each of them shed light on the others and you gain a more complete

02:18:12.460 understanding and a more complete picture of the story as told and it gives insight to these little

02:18:19.260 tidbits that may seem odd or may not be readily accessible to you so that's a really cool thing

02:18:28.860 also i want to thank dale and hope of illinois they donated they made a 20 donation we appreciate

02:18:37.580 that they said we appreciate all you guys do each week and those working behind the scenes

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02:18:48.140 um we do have um a few questions here that have stacked up the first one is from the very

02:18:56.380 beginning of our uh our broadcast this evening

02:19:01.500 um so yeah all right so this one is for robert eboy lee anyways for sfan what is your favorite

02:19:12.860 Sam Hyde bit. Yes, this is relevant because Svon mentioned Sam on the show before.

02:19:22.640 I'll just say that the TED Talk is probably my favorite because of how almost prophetic to a

02:19:30.300 degree that was. So if nobody knows what we're talking about, perhaps this is just between me

02:19:36.900 and E-Boy Lee, but yes, the TED Talk, the Roman armor, and again, he called it, these

02:19:52.340 people, they want you dead, they want your kids brainwashed, and they think it's funny.

02:19:57.060 So, pretty interesting. 0.94

02:19:59.600 all right so um i don't know what's gonna no no you're you're good real quick i want to go to

02:20:12.080 our next question and leave you with that here for just a second um from the wolf throne matt

02:20:19.080 and swan do you try to give worship to some of the lesser the lesser popular icers such as

02:20:26.080 Vowli, Ullr, Bragi, and Forseti.

02:20:29.660 I feel like these gods don't get as much attention,

02:20:32.060 probably because they don't have as much lore

02:20:34.400 as Odin and Thor.

02:20:36.940 Also, I feel like Frigg and Freyja

02:20:39.040 are the only Asenur talked about.

02:20:41.600 Do you ever try to reach out to Saga, Gephjan,

02:20:46.800 Sjofn, Eir, or other Asenur?

02:20:52.040 Even if we know little about them.

02:20:54.600 So answer is yes, spoiler alert, but I think Fawn and I both have kind of different stuff

02:21:01.460 to add on that.

02:21:02.460 So Fawn, if you'd like to go ahead with your part of that.

02:21:06.160 Yeah, 100%.

02:21:08.760 I've been a big proponent at the Hoff and in certain times when, you know, just to kind

02:21:18.800 of emphasize, you know, a reminder ourselves a lot with new people coming into the faith,

02:21:27.900 we'll have a bloat to Lord Frey and they will still hail Odin because of a couple of reasons.

02:21:35.060 One, they might be nervous to step outside of their comfort zone. The other is, is that

02:21:40.420 they're still kind of coming from a singular, non-polytheistic view. Perhaps it's a safety

02:21:48.000 net. There's a lot of that, but you'll hear a lot where it's like, we're, we're honoring,

02:21:51.680 you know, uh, Lord Ullr and, and Sif during the turning of the year and the time of winter

02:21:57.900 finding and the broaching of the wild hunt and all of this stuff is going on. And there's

02:22:02.300 one person who says like, and I don't think that's wrong at all, but it's like, I, it makes

02:22:09.340 me want to again get out more about the gods as being multiplicity and i think that i so when

02:22:19.760 you're talking to me about personal stuff i i can speak pretty freely because i try to keep it open

02:22:26.080 and broad when we talk about the application of uh theological points towards our folk as a church

02:22:33.260 but when we're talking about personal stuff absolutely i have a strict hierarchy of the gods

02:22:38.500 I believe in the tripartite. I have the remaining gods underneath to equate to the 12. I have a lady, you know, Frigga and Freya and then the Ausenior and the Ausvenior and the heavenly wardens all within their structuring for me.

02:22:58.220 and um you know i find that when we talk about the austin and we are let's back it up so first

02:23:07.440 you were speaking of like ulur and for seti i do believe that they have absolute prominence and

02:23:13.300 worth to give honor and praise just as much as thor and uh odin it's just that a lot of times

02:23:22.340 we see the way they apply their dominion differently. The dominions of the, of the

02:23:27.900 tripart, the tripartite is much bigger, or at least more broad sweeping, whereas perhaps the

02:23:34.000 dominion of Forseti is very focused. Um, and so I find myself kind of like, as I move through my

02:23:41.740 life, I see the gods and their dominion enacting in the world. And that's what, uh, propagates my,

02:23:51.360 my prayer to them or my thanks to them i don't you know i i will speak to the gods as a broad

02:23:57.480 uh quite often but when it comes to like really the my the minute individual gods it's kind of

02:24:05.820 as i see them if i if a friend of mine is is um committing himself to a a time in which he has to

02:24:14.380 face perhaps litigation you know i i think i pray i praise for seti because suddenly that part of my

02:24:23.180 life is like shined on um uh if it comes about storytelling a little while back i did a couple

02:24:31.980 of stories at sigerheim and later on i gave thanks and praise to lord bragi because i feel that

02:24:38.780 storytelling and music and things in the arts of passing those on is his dominion, his power.

02:24:46.760 And so a lot of that, the way that I personally interact with the guys is about the way I

02:24:52.040 encounter their dominion. And I'm trying to be aware of their dominion in my life. And so I would

02:24:58.680 beckon anyone to do that as well. And it's easy to see how the tripartite's powers are kind of

02:25:06.460 always in our lives um but when we talk about the house in your two i view the way again this is my

02:25:13.580 personal uh structuring of the hierarchy of the of of seeing frigga and freya and then when i pray

02:25:19.580 to say air or to var or i i just recently um presided over a wedding and i i clearly um invoked

02:25:30.260 the power of Vaur as the emissary of the ladies or the maidens, the goddesses of Fensaler.

02:25:38.360 And so what I kind of do is when it comes to the goddesses, I view Frigga and Freyja as high

02:25:44.260 kind of concentrated points of worship with almost like a, I don't want to say like saintly

02:25:54.200 worship of the other Asinyur, but I see their dominion as being very, I can individually pull 0.90

02:26:00.820 it out or I can see it as the kind of the woven things of society, of our folk nation and of our 1.00

02:26:08.560 interactions together. You know, everything from Lady Snotra and her, what I call her governance

02:26:19.540 over mores our cultural um interactions with each other and the way that we should act correctly

02:26:27.060 nobly if you will and um but it's what that what makes us you know noble or um i light a candle to

02:26:34.700 to the asana scene at the hof we light a candle at the threshold so there's little things and

02:26:41.380 they're always there but the idea is um it's harder for people to wrap their heads around

02:26:47.640 the individual gods

02:26:50.600 or goddesses

02:26:52.920 when really

02:26:53.920 they know

02:26:55.260 Lord Odin, they know Lord Thor,

02:26:59.060 they know Lord Tyr,

02:27:00.520 they know Lord Heimdall.

02:27:03.100 And that's about it.

02:27:04.620 But also too, it's like, again,

02:27:06.140 how much does the dominion of that

02:27:08.460 house preside

02:27:10.620 in your life? The turning of winter,

02:27:12.520 the hunting season, Ullr

02:27:14.380 clearly holds.

02:27:17.640 So, yeah, I definitely am a big believer in it. I speak of it often amongst the Gothars, like I view in my hierarchy that we have 42 gods and I am clear and concise about where they are.

02:27:33.820 And then outside of that is what I would call perhaps the elevated, like Weyland or Volander or Skirner in relation to Lord Frey.

02:27:48.560 But I see that hierarchy and it's very important for me.

02:27:52.880 I don't think it's so much a necessity for others as it is to understand the multiplicity of the gods and their powers and dominions are working together.

02:28:03.160 And so like giving praise unto a kingdom, you don't have to honor each individual thread or piece.

02:28:12.280 You can give honor to the kingdom and hold true to the rulers of the kingdom.

02:28:16.320 But I like to do that because I try to structure those things clearly.

02:28:23.500 I've done that my whole life, but it really came into focus once I joined the AFA.

02:28:30.440 And I understood the words of hierarchy and of order and of that understanding.

02:28:38.380 And immediately my mind started to kind of place things.

02:28:41.540 So like I even have, you know, drawn diagramic sense, not like a lot of times you see diagrams of the gods as like son of and in relation to.

02:28:51.760 No, the hierarchies of heaven, as I call it, with the tripartite at the top and the Aesir gods, all to make 12, and then the Aosinir, and then the Aosinir, who are also there.

02:29:06.680 I think, more or less, I don't honor the Aosinir very often. 0.96

02:29:13.300 That would be an honest statement. 0.76

02:29:15.280 Like when I honor Lord Frey, I do hail Gerðr, but I don't pray to her often.

02:29:24.200 I don't pray to Skadi often.

02:29:26.580 I don't pray, you know, to Sif often or Idun often.

02:29:34.560 And that's just being honest.

02:29:36.180 I kind of group the Austvenir as the beloved ones as a whole.

02:29:41.000 So if anything, I can admit that.

02:29:45.280 Because I see their dominion as being very nuanced, and I kind of praise them in with every god and goddess.

02:29:54.820 So one, a couple of, a couple of things.

02:30:01.480 Um, when approaching our faith with devotion and piety, things become very important and

02:30:21.680 one wants to do things right one of the

02:30:29.280 one of the difficulties is that if our attempt is to honor each and every god and demigod

02:30:42.620 that was revered by our ancestors we are never going to have a completely perfect answer to

02:30:51.420 all of those. So a lot of people languish trying to thresh out minutia to get everything perfect

02:31:04.220 instead of making their best attempt with what they know and altering it down the road when

02:31:12.060 they know more. I've said this a lot on the program and I'll continue to. Don't allow perfect

02:31:18.700 to be the enemy of good if the only time to honor the gods is well once you know all of the gods

02:31:25.820 you're supposed to honor then you can you'll spend a lifetime honoring none of them um

02:31:35.260 so

02:31:38.140 there's there's been a certain fetishism not just in house of true but in

02:31:45.580 spiritual circles for a very long time to waller in

02:31:57.900 waller in ignorance and claim a false piety because you know so little like oh well all i

02:32:06.780 know is that i don't know enough huh and you know this perpetual searching and never finding

02:32:14.700 thing has become very popular it's a popular refrain in the kind of pop spirituality to

02:32:22.700 not have any answers to questions just to have limitless questions and

02:32:30.060 i think that's showing off from your for your friends i think it's lazy and in a way i think

02:32:35.900 it's masturbatory um one of the key components of our faith is will and determination and

02:32:49.020 you know well who's to decide well in so in many ways each of us is to decide 0.93

02:32:56.460 because we have a certain amount of sovereignty over our own souls and what we're going to do

02:33:02.620 in a larger sense well who's to say well for one we have an established uh priest class of gothar

02:33:12.940 who have devoted their lives to this and studied it so who's to say dare to say um ultimately

02:33:21.980 when i became also here you go through the astro folk assembly well you know i don't know who's to

02:33:27.340 say, I guess we'll never know. No, I owe you better than that. I owe our gods better than that.

02:33:34.420 Who's to say? In the AFA, I'm to say. And that's a really important responsibility. It's not

02:33:43.860 because any of the people that I've mentioned are perfect or infallible on it.

02:33:48.840 but myself and the gothar have spent our life devoted to this and devoted to our gods in a

02:33:57.540 perpetual quest to be our best selves and to draw closer and closer to a perfect understanding of

02:34:03.660 them and to share that that we learn with our folk and with our church so that we can all

02:34:14.060 benefit from the lessons that are learned by our gothar by our ancestors by those who've come

02:34:22.540 before us and laid the foundations for us to true and what we practice so that's a long way to say

02:34:28.560 this well which god should we worship there's you know and you can make extensive lists and we could 0.91

02:34:34.840 all come up with different ones so boom we decided all right the gilfagening list them it lists them

02:34:43.180 in a way that they're specifically referred to as which gods are, you know, good for men to worship, 0.96

02:34:50.280 these ones are, go. And that's what we decided is our point of starting.

02:34:55.940 Are there more that you can also include in your practice? Certainly.

02:35:02.700 It's very clear on the gods that are mentioned in that list. In that list, there's numerated at 12.

02:35:13.180 And there's a following list about the Alcenior that is, I believe it's 14 strong in that following list. Now, 12 of those are what we would call, are commonly called, you know, Frigg's handmaidens.

02:35:31.840 um there are hierarchy amongst people i believe there's a hierarchy amongst the gods too

02:35:38.560 and i certainly don't want to get that wrong and i apologize if i

02:35:42.280 diminish the respect that any of our goddesses are deserving but the way it's laid out appears

02:35:50.720 very much that many of those that you mentioned are um are loyal uh servants of frig and messengers

02:36:06.880 of her um goddesses perhaps demi goddesses if you will that she can send out as her

02:36:16.640 representative in different ways that have um authority over a variety of things now to the

02:36:25.120 original question certainly you can you can try to build a relationship with any of those

02:36:31.120 with any of the al-senior with any of the icer and we're actively so many of us already do that

02:36:38.320 in our own personal lives in many different ways i've seen things on the side growing up in alaska

02:36:43.120 we would always honor uler during hunting season we carry over that practice in the afa by honoring

02:36:49.200 him at winter finding um we seek to do that i know a lot of people especially ladies have

02:37:00.240 different relationships they build with the different um handmaidens of of lady frig for

02:37:08.240 a variety of reasons there's a lot of worship that goes on around air because she is known as

02:37:15.120 the greatest of healers and we have a lot of people that go through illness either themselves

02:37:19.840 or in their family that have devoted a lot to worshiping her and to interacting and building

02:37:26.240 a relationship and getting building goodwill with her one of the big steps that we seek to do about

02:37:33.360 this is with our hafs specifically with the isir all 12 of those gods listed will have their own

02:37:44.480 off and we're committed to making that happen as we build a temple for each of these gods

02:37:51.840 we very much look forward to building a closer and better relationship with them

02:37:57.600 and winning good favor from them and learning more about them so that by our children's time

02:38:06.400 and our grandchildren's time they will have a much better relationship and better knowledge

02:38:12.480 of these gods of our folk and i think it's a big it's a grand gesture that approaches you know

02:38:22.160 worthy gift to these gods to establish a temple for them perhaps the first temple they've had ever

02:38:29.360 certainly the first temple to many of them that we've ever known of i you know specifically look

02:38:35.120 forward to a valley's hof and a vidar's hof to celebrate these mighty gods that have a very brief

02:38:46.400 remembrance in our lore but a very important one so we look forward to doing that and as you

02:38:54.700 mentioned earlier you know there's already quite a bit of a cult for bragi um for for seti for ular

02:39:02.840 for a number of our gods that again aren't the the big super well-known ones so we're working on

02:39:13.000 we're working on that but yes to answer your question we absolutely do our priests do our

02:39:20.040 afa family does and has been for quite a while we seek to do that better in the future

02:39:29.560 um next up

02:39:33.560 is a question from nick and it looks like it's directed at you swan i've always known nerfus

02:39:46.680 as yord as you said swan but ancient teutonic priesthood seems to be relating nerfus that

02:39:53.480 nerfus is uh nyorder and he quotes again the cult has features in common with that of nerfus

02:40:01.480 attributed by tacitus in germania 40 to certain tribes of the southwest shore of the baltic the

02:40:09.320 word nerthus is identical with uh nyorder the name of fro's father while

02:40:16.920 while FRL itself seems to be an abbreviation for Ying V. Freyer or Ingunar Freyer from

02:40:29.960 page 297. So this has come up a lot, the linguistic confusion due to the similarities

02:40:39.740 of of nerthus and your there's name what do you have to add on that swan um one there's the

02:40:48.940 linguistic separation and understanding that if those are nervous and they they talk about perhaps

02:40:55.500 a uh conceptualize of a gender switch but that that nerf is somehow gender switched to nyorder

02:41:05.260 and i think that they're correlating language to divinity and i don't think that that's

02:41:11.180 necessarily correct because what we see on the other end of that is that it's you know it's

02:41:16.220 stated that lord lord is um you know has a a bride and it is mentioned again as being like

02:41:25.900 his sister bride and this again i think correlates to the vanic concept of divine twins and

02:41:35.260 not necessarily being literal in in like a sense of um that though it is kind of poised against

02:41:41.180 them in locust sana but that's i think that's an interesting poet and poem in and of itself

02:41:47.180 or the story that that spurned that poem but um to speak of that we know that you know he

02:41:55.100 it's mentioned that her name is naren um in the old norse that the and that's the only time it's

02:42:04.380 ever mentioned that that his his bride and so what we don't have on the front end of that is

02:42:11.580 tacitus talking about perhaps a male um like uh you know conjugate to it the kind of correlative

02:42:21.560 parallel we he does talk about nervous but that's missing if there is a male kind of counterplay

02:42:28.300 but we do see it on the other end in relation to the old norse and their version is that

02:42:33.820 There is Njörðr, but the name is lost on his sharing of the other side, whether it's Njörðr, which, again, I don't know if that was placed in because of linguistics and the ability to kind of make the tempo and meter work.

02:42:51.320 uh was it a another name but when we talk about the linguistics of nirthus to nyorder they both

02:42:59.600 have the same correlations about being that that which is underneath and that doesn't necessarily

02:43:05.680 dictate at point a to point b nirthus becomes nyorder and i think that's what the mistake is

02:43:12.460 is he's correlating um the linguistics to mimic the divine and i think that when we look at other

02:43:22.320 things we see there's clearly a twin culture of the vanic practices the idea of a masculine

02:43:29.260 and feminine feminine part that were that were one and then then divided or separated

02:43:35.400 or work in congruence with each other, and this seems to, you know, I think it's within fair

02:43:42.800 faith to apply that in relation to Njörð and Nyrthus. The linguistic connections of their names

02:43:52.320 are quite, you know, poignant, and we don't cram, and I certainly don't believe in the whole gender

02:43:58.160 swapping thing i think that might be an attempt again to play a narrative um i find it really

02:44:06.160 interesting because one thing that might a lot of people don't consider when they talk about danube

02:44:10.720 and danu they often talk about the river being feminine but they don't have to talk about like

02:44:15.520 the gothic people having their don wass or don vos is the masculine side so what if it's it was

02:44:25.680 an understanding that perhaps we don't see very much of is that there was a corresponding masculine

02:44:31.360 to the feminine that danu and don vas or don wass were seen as those correlative and that nerthus

02:44:40.640 had a correlative of the linguistic of the time but was never mentioned and then by the time of

02:44:46.320 the old norse norther is focused on but they're the the naming or at least the placement of

02:44:53.040 Nerthus is lost because of norun as its usage in the poem and yorth, the earth. Again, that

02:45:02.480 linguistic of nyorthur and yorthur, that which is beneath the earth and that which is the earth.

02:45:09.040 So those correlations of language, at a certain point, you can either say, I don't know,

02:45:16.240 or i i see this as the clearest path and that choice you have to make and again we've we've

02:45:22.560 emphasized it enough too is like we're not going to honor and you're there and say oh that was

02:45:29.200 nervous in the past because you know uh linguistics or or however it might be stated instead we will

02:45:35.920 honor neither and we will honor nervous but the question is is nervous linguistically connected

02:45:43.680 to Yarth, the earth. I believe so. So we're not hypostasing Yarth to Nerthus. Tacitus clearly

02:45:53.180 mentions that Nerthus is goddess of the earth. And Yarth in relation to Snorty, Snorty calls Yarth

02:46:03.060 a Jotun. I think that's the biggest point of perhaps debate is how Snorty kind of organized

02:46:10.960 things or or really didn't organize he just kind of he set some of the the the things hard which

02:46:19.780 we utilize very much so but when it comes to like jotuns or uh people that align like or not people

02:46:26.780 in the stories the beings that align themselves with the gods um as we've mentioned those several

02:46:34.200 times. There's the dual, there's the confusion between types of Yotnar. In the Eddas, there's,

02:46:47.360 you know, ancient beings of primal wisdom that go back into the mists of pre-creation

02:46:58.840 history and then you have the forces that stand in opposition to the gods and folk and so there

02:47:11.320 there is some of this this overlap and some of these you know benevolent forces that start

02:47:20.040 outside the realm or outside the identification with the isir that come under that through marriage

02:47:32.600 um and so so we do see that interweaving of primordial power with cosmic order and we see

02:47:43.000 it a lot very specifically in the in the relationship between

02:47:58.120 Nerfus's children or between um Yord's son you see the earth and sky meeting to create Thor

02:48:13.000 um so very much and i mean it's it's always been poignant imagery to me that

02:48:23.240 lightning is literally that it's the connection of energy from the sky and the earth and the

02:48:30.920 point where they meet is the clap of thunder and and the bolt of light um

02:48:37.000 Um, so when going through one of the other problems is that, um, Tacitus was a pagan.

02:48:57.940 I don't know how pagan he was.

02:49:01.700 he was a polytheist in an Aryan tradition but at the time the two groups of people seemed

02:49:11.540 worlds apart and he didn't a lot of what he wrote on was very cursory understanding of what these

02:49:22.780 strange tribesmen north of his frontiers of the strange faith they practiced in the dark

02:49:31.540 forests outside of stuff he knew about but chadwick in 1900 writing the ancient teutonic

02:49:38.340 priesthood he wasn't writing as a man trying to re-establish the ancient teutonic priesthood

02:49:47.620 or as in alsatruar he was writing as a scholar about what these ancient barbarians used to do

02:49:55.540 So his stuff is all about linguistics and, you know, matching points of archaeology as opposed to trying to apply divine wisdom to two things and trying to understand the relationship of a people with their gods.

02:50:16.220 It's a very different kind of study. And again, as I mentioned before, it comes at religion from two very different angles.

02:50:25.540 And the linguistic arguments are really interesting. And again, it's one of the reasons I have Sfano here as often as I do. One of his big things that he focuses on is etymology and linguistics and words and what they add to things.

02:50:41.240 because they do, but it's what they add to the faith

02:50:44.820 and what they add to the understanding.

02:50:48.080 They're not the source of the faith

02:50:50.060 and the source of the understanding.

02:50:52.160 They're a way to better understand it

02:50:54.220 and better clarify it and create a picture of it to us.

02:51:02.860 It's clearly understood that Njordr has a counterpart.

02:51:07.760 Yes, the connection between fray worship and Nerthus worship are very similar in the sense of wagon processions.

02:51:21.120 There's clear elements there that are carried through.

02:51:25.600 And we know that Nerthus had a partner that he begat these children with.

02:51:33.180 it makes much more sense in the corpus of our lord and in our understanding

02:51:40.720 that this is nerfus when we look at nyorder in a in a later norse context he's very obviously

02:51:52.300 masculine there's not confusion there's not ambiguity he is clearly a he when we look at

02:52:00.040 nerthus there's not ambiguity she is clearly a she because linguistics at that point don't make

02:52:08.920 that distinction clear in the word itself doesn't mean that the story surrounding the word doesn't

02:52:15.980 make it blatantly obvious and our gods don't do this tranny like let's transition thing 0.91

02:52:26.320 these are the same deities

02:52:29.520 under that understanding

02:52:33.120 if you're trying to assume

02:52:35.320 these are two of the exact same deity

02:52:37.140 and one is male and one is female

02:52:38.840 something is very wrong there

02:52:40.820 they're not separated by a long period

02:52:42.980 by a, you know, in an archaeological

02:52:45.020 sense, a very long period

02:52:47.040 of time

02:52:47.560 and

02:52:49.460 because our gods are real

02:52:53.320 they're based

02:52:55.420 on the current understanding is based on previous understandings all the way back to the beginning

02:53:01.660 of our folk because again our gods are real and our gods are eternal um

02:53:09.900 so a fair moving of that and again if we are going to celebrate linguistics so much

02:53:16.460 much, it stands to reason very much that Yordh and Nerthus are one and the same. That fits the

02:53:28.020 stories and lore and the understanding of our folk. And it's also something that over time

02:53:33.260 through building relationships with our gods, that we have come to have certainty in and to

02:53:40.160 feel very certain about, just like we've come to have a very clear certainty that there's a

02:53:46.840 distinction between Nerthus and Yordher, and that one is very clearly a masculine deity and one is

02:53:54.560 very clearly a feminine power. All of those things we can rest very solid in the knowledge of

02:54:03.840 because the last 30 years of practice have shown those things to be true.

02:54:16.080 And it's hard to express that in a way that makes the clearest sense to people

02:54:20.580 that may be casually tuning into the broadcast.

02:54:23.540 But we have had people making offerings and engaging in the gift cycle

02:54:31.460 with Nerthus since the dawn of modern Ausatru or very close thereabout we've had folks making

02:54:41.040 offerings and engaging in the gift cycle with Lord Nyorthar since the very dawn of modern Ausatru

02:54:46.880 as well those relationships have proven beneficial and well received and those who've engaged in them

02:54:55.040 have been blessed by that relationship over this time and that's given us the the understanding

02:55:01.760 of where we're at chadwick didn't seek to have relationships with our gods or to engage in the

02:55:09.680 gift cycle to further his understanding his whole argument is pinned solely upon

02:55:15.200 the word choices of a very admittedly imperfectly understood linguistic pattern

02:55:26.560 of one ancient germanic people as is translated into latin

02:55:30.680 so i think that i don't think that's a lot to go on even in the in the text he didn't put a lot of

02:55:41.400 like insistence upon it it was just a scholastic theory of the year 1900 removed from an active

02:55:50.840 worship of our gods and our different take on that comes from decades of engaging in worship

02:56:01.320 of these gods so like it adds a really important credence to that um and that's

02:56:08.840 That's another point I wanted to make on some things that I've noticed is a common misunderstanding amongst the outside world when they look in at the Aus-True Folk Assembly.

02:56:26.500 Um, one thing that we've been accused of by the naysayers for forever is that the AFA is not a, not a real religion. It's not a real church. We're just, you know, insert whatever negative word you want to use about white people who happen to be proud of themselves.

02:56:48.900 We're just a, you know, a white nationalist organization that hides behind, you know, a religious designation or whatever.

02:56:57.040 And most of these people say that without actually knowing anything about us or interacting with us.

02:57:02.020 But one of the things is when the enemy repeats a falsehood enough times with enough consistency, it weasels and worms its way into people's heads.

02:57:15.420 it's worth always restating especially for people who are not currently members of the afa

02:57:22.820 that's not what it's about that is a point of commonality amongst our membership

02:57:30.420 being white is certainly a prerequisite to participating in our ethnic faith which

02:57:39.040 is but no we're a church about the iser and about a real relationship with real gods that we believe 0.93

02:57:49.280 wholeheartedly in and define ourselves by our loyalty too from there we build a pro-white

02:57:59.360 pro-traditional community based on those values but our community and what we're building and

02:58:05.120 doing is based on our faith and our ethnic relationship with our gods that is the core

02:58:13.200 that we're built around and we very much are a practicing faith in a practicing church and it

02:58:18.480 defines all we do it's very different than the assumption that our foe makes that well

02:58:26.980 we need a religion so let's make one up that sounds coolest that matches our whatever political

02:58:33.880 ideology. No, that's not what we're doing. Political ideology ought to flow from your

02:58:41.900 core values that flow from your relationship with your gods and your intrinsic understanding

02:58:47.600 of right and wrong given to you by our gods. And it's really important to reinforce that

02:58:54.580 and go back to that many times. I've seen those conversations on Twitter. I'll do a

02:58:58.800 search where uh you just search for you know also true folk assembly and see what comes up and a lot

02:59:04.280 of the chatter by people who aren't members of the afa is this common

02:59:11.140 like wish list of them creating a religion like it was some kind of video game and they're picking

02:59:18.780 and choosing things that they want to add to their made-up religion thing

02:59:23.000 and i think that's because we come from a generation where atheism is so very prominent

02:59:30.860 and to where the generation is defined by a sarcasm and a cynicism

02:59:39.840 that needs to be left at the door when you're trying to understand the absolute folk assembly

02:59:46.020 and who we are and what we believe

02:59:47.720 because that whole thing is completely contrary

02:59:51.500 to our core values.

02:59:54.760 We approach it with openness and with genuine piety

02:59:58.600 and we let that guide our understanding

03:00:04.160 of our faith and its structure.

03:00:08.700 And

03:00:09.380 All right. So I appreciate you guys being with us tonight. I appreciate all your questions.

03:00:26.040 We do have another question that's come through. Vrilmage asked, anyone here about Alphany?

03:00:41.680 She was in German, England, and Hungary, very popular, but lost in the sources.

03:00:49.020 No, I'm not familiar. Are you, Swan?

03:00:51.100 yes uh in a in a way this is from um when i i was even mentioning that during the last gothar call

03:01:01.180 um with about nahelania as well um i did a a class a couple of um or back at uh winter nights when we

03:01:12.460 were uh at ohio i did a dsr class and i brought uh her up uh along with nihilania and of course

03:01:22.140 dsr worship or the matrone worship um and she seems to be there's two theories is that one she

03:01:31.580 is a localized goddess of um you know a central europe uh that she is somehow connected to the

03:01:40.060 matrone cult or like nehelenia or sorry like nehelenia she's seen as a like a local goddess

03:01:47.260 someone also tried to correlate her to um there is a greek equivalent by name and that they they

03:01:57.660 they were trying to say that uh alvany is a germano-celtic uh variant of the uh i think she's

03:02:07.660 a muse i'm not 100 sure on that one in the greek uh i think her name is uh it's either veronius or

03:02:17.580 or uranus uh and kind of like like in um reference to um uranus and and uh but as in a feminine form

03:02:27.740 and i'm not super familiar with with her on that um but that they were saying that linguistically

03:02:33.260 that might be, and that she somehow may have influenced Germano-Celtic people through the

03:02:40.640 Matrone worship. And I brought that up. I think, I'm not 100% sure if she is, again, a localized

03:02:49.200 goddess. I think her veneration is widespread enough that she could be very easily considered

03:02:56.120 that, like Nahelania. And we see the motif of the Matrone of the three and the Deesir. And we know

03:03:02.960 that the Matroni worship is very kind of similar to the Germanic Edith's worship. So is she

03:03:11.760 an Edith's? Is she a goddess? That would be the best question to ask. And my answer to that would

03:03:19.540 be, I don't know. I would consider it to be, she would be an elevated goddess, especially of a

03:03:25.680 local power. Um, and that, and then that to me would be in my hierarchy, um, outside of the

03:03:33.960 Oustvenir, but elevated much like again, Volander or Weyland, Skirner, Hermod. Um, I believe Hermod

03:03:43.860 of course is, um, an elevated, uh, descendant of Lord Odin that is now living amongst the gods.

03:03:52.900 And that's how I kind of view that. That hierarchy is what we see from the front end as we observe, not on the back end, like through etymology saying like North is nervous.

03:04:05.540 this, or I look at it as like, if we talk about the, the gods, we, you know, we see, I see the

03:04:14.360 tripartite and the other nine gods, I see, uh, Frigga and Freya, and I see then the other, um,

03:04:23.280 uh 11 and then i see the 10 um aust veneer again with and and snorty doesn't always give us clean

03:04:36.580 explanation where is the origin of of lady even where is the origin of lady sif but we do have

03:04:44.880 the origin of of skadi and we know that again the ideas that i call them the beloved ones

03:04:50.900 because of their alignment to the gods.

03:04:53.440 A lot of people don't even recognize or remember

03:04:56.860 or think about the violent and kind of, you know,

03:05:03.780 correlation between the motherhood of, say, like, Rinder

03:05:07.480 or as the mother of Vaoli.

03:05:12.260 I would consider them to be Austveneer.

03:05:15.720 And so in the correlation of them, the 10 Austveneer,

03:05:18.800 I also include Yarth, as she is not quite stated in the Gilfaginning, and she's actually referred to as a Jotun, but is clearly the mother of Thor, so therefore she aligns herself with the gods and with the side of order, so I consider her a beloved one.

03:05:38.960 But again, that's just me classifying in hierarchy a clean way of understanding the gods and their relations with each other.

03:05:48.800 All right. And as has become kind of a frequently occurring lately question, we have one about a phrase here.

03:06:10.860 Before it's time to go, what is our vision of an exorcism? I only know how it's done in Christianity.

03:06:18.800 We talked about this, I don't know if it was last week or the week before, but there's not a clear-cut example of that in our faith.

03:06:32.840 Now, one of the things that I was talking to, I was actually talking to one of our Gotar about the other day, was this sort of a concept.

03:06:45.680 There are malevolent entities in the world that exist.

03:06:48.800 those aren't just conf there are certain things in this world that we all interact with as shared

03:06:57.680 humanity as shared earth fauna like there may be a spiritual significance to a certain range of

03:07:05.400 mountains that might be relevant to each kind of people on each different side of the mountain that

03:07:11.320 could be completely separate and have their own gods and their own cultures but the mountains still

03:07:16.280 exist um there's certain things that just are that we come in contact with we have a different

03:07:22.840 frame of reference depending on our faith but there's malevolent entities in the world

03:07:31.720 that seek to perpetuate chaos and thrive on negativity on fear and on bad things

03:07:41.000 they are conceived of in a very specific way in christianity where they're you know forces of the

03:07:50.620 devil trying to pull a soul from their god and there's this tug of war going on with them that

03:07:56.340 they're part of and there's this whole narrative that they fit into we don't have that so much we

03:08:03.580 encounter negative spirits i think some of this is the heroic nature of our faith we are not pawns

03:08:10.860 in some kind of game between the the gods and cert and loki or something

03:08:19.740 we individually have hymenia and magical might within ourselves and we are allied with

03:08:28.380 and on the team of the icer but i don't think that we're waiting vessels in the same way that

03:08:36.620 other faiths conceive of their practitioners as um so we we will we encounter

03:08:47.100 those kind of malevolent things at a distance and not so much internally as if they take possession

03:08:52.940 of us but some of the things that are more similar to a state of possession are things

03:09:01.260 like nightmares or things like literal night hags and witches at night that you know oppress

03:09:08.460 and control a person for a time in that liminal space between wake and sleep we have times where

03:09:17.340 you know we just read um you know the the prophecy of the the seeress if you are there's very few

03:09:26.940 people but if you are trying to practice a an oracular form of divination where you are

03:09:34.700 opening yourself and serving as a uh as a conduit or as a medium for spiritual forces to work

03:09:44.240 through then you also provide a medium that negative forces could work through as well

03:09:50.320 And so I think that some things open the door to that. I think that leaving your body vacant in the act of projecting yourself in a meditative state or other things perhaps puts you in that kind of a position as well to a degree.

03:10:10.160 But these are really specialized things that come into play with people who are dabbling in a high level of magical practice.

03:10:23.760 For the average person, I don't think that occurs in our faith.

03:10:27.420 It's just kind of not a thing.

03:10:30.060 um one thing that's a commonality across the board seems to be that negative forces respond

03:10:37.740 to actively resisting them they seem to respond to doing things and ritual intended to cleanse

03:10:48.220 and to make the very conscious willful expulsion of them and they respond to the invocation of

03:10:58.220 deities and things that are more powerful than them on a spiritual plane i think that

03:11:06.860 were there to be something similar and i think we do some of this i'm not aware of anyone who's

03:11:14.620 performed any kind of ousted true exorcism i am aware of people that have been asked to of gothar

03:11:22.140 that have been asked to clear a home or a space of bad spirits and bad energy and i think it's

03:11:31.020 similar in that regard i think a very common thing is invoking lord thor to protect things

03:11:39.260 the gothar have always since ancient times used thor's hammer as a talisman of protection

03:11:45.420 and of hallowing of driving away evil spirits and of welcoming and empowering something with

03:11:54.100 holiness and with you know appropriate divinity i think that's a thing um so depending on the

03:12:02.560 situation there's ways of doing that um but that's the closest thing i can really

03:12:10.020 conceive of in that context? Do you have any wisdom on what an also true exorcism would look

03:12:20.440 like? Yes. And I was looking at that while you were speaking, and I see this is coming from

03:12:26.760 Zamo. And I wanted to bring up one point, and it kind of correlates to the question, but

03:12:32.280 roundabout. First and foremost, I saw the one where you said, your mother always says,

03:12:37.600 i believe in false idols and christian mumbo jumbo it's very frustrating i know that frustration but

03:12:42.860 i i would give you this bit of wisdom you could always simply state that you are not an israelite

03:12:50.840 and you are not adhering to the covenant of the god of the israelites and the first covenant

03:12:58.520 commandment to or first commandment to maintain that covenant is that you put no other gods before

03:13:04.520 the god of the israelites and you could simply state i am putting the gods of my people before

03:13:10.540 the god of the israelites that's a great bit to put that down there is that you're not worshiping

03:13:17.700 false idols it's such a a dump stat thing that they do uh when in reality you can simply bring

03:13:26.460 up the first commandment and say i put the gods of my people before the god of the israelites

03:13:30.140 and that and that and keep it as clear as that um but to go on with that since you know zambo you

03:13:36.640 are the one that brought up the the interesting question about exorcism is again when we talk

03:13:41.120 about christianity one of the big caveats is even though there's a lot of like bridge building they

03:13:47.020 build these bridges halfway it's kind of like in a lot of ways it's like some political groups too

03:13:52.860 they don't think of the full thought arch you know it's like uh nobody should have guns but

03:13:58.120 all police are racist you know it's like and only the police should have guns it's like they they

03:14:02.460 don't think these arches all the way through and one of them is like your your soul is infallible

03:14:07.540 it's eternal it's uh you know given to you by uh yahweh or or however they view it but yet 0.84

03:14:14.040 it can be taken over by a malevolent um shadim is really what it comes to and what this is is

03:14:23.500 reenacting, they're reenacting some key points. And you'll see it a lot amongst Christians 0.99

03:14:28.520 because a lot of these Christians that claim to be able to exercise, especially in the Protestant 0.92

03:14:34.740 field first. In the Protestant field, you'll see these Christians saying, oh, I exercise demons

03:14:42.560 with the power of Christ and the Bible and my faith out of these people. Again, this goes against

03:14:48.580 the idea of the infallibility of the soul. And I think it's a tool utilized by Protestants 1.00

03:14:54.580 in order to kind of puff themselves up in a way. But when you look at it, is the infallible soul

03:15:05.000 able to be taken over by a being? And where do we see this? We see it in the Bible. We see it

03:15:12.120 in when a Sarmatian woman says to the rabbi, Yeshua, that there is a Shadim in my daughter.

03:15:21.980 Can you exercise it out? The word exercise is, of course, Latin, but can you expel this Shadim 0.95

03:15:30.560 from my daughter? And that's because the Sarmatians were also Semites. So the word Shadim 1.00

03:15:36.220 would have made sense just as equally to the rabbi and he says to her no i won't i'm here to

03:15:43.440 concern myself with the children of the of yahweh and the israelites and then she she begs and she

03:15:50.280 pleads and then he says okay well you know masters do throw scraps to dogs so i'll do it and a lot

03:15:57.440 of people don't like to talk about this part of the bible but it's again it's a it's it's a it's

03:16:02.440 a reenactment of that. And that the idea of demonic possession, which again, the word demon

03:16:09.400 comes from Greek. So let's say Shadim or Dajin possession is heavily a Semitic part of their 0.84

03:16:16.240 mythos. The Arabs have it too, in which the Shadim can inhabit a place or inhabit a person 0.74

03:16:22.800 or inhabit an object. I'm sure a lot of people have heard of the cursed Judaic boxes called 1.00

03:16:29.380 uh, um, uh, I'm, I'm at a loss, but it's, it's the, you know, there's a demon inside a box. 1.00

03:16:37.280 Um, they have this deep connection in their mythos to these malevolent Shadim or Dajin 0.87

03:16:45.160 being able to inhabit people, places, and things. Um, we don't necessarily have that. It's not a

03:16:53.920 huge caveat in our, our, uh, thing. We do believe in malevolent spirits. We do believe that malevolent

03:16:59.060 spirits um do attempt to perhaps control you again uh i was here ago they brought up the

03:17:03.860 knocked mara or the the nightmare or the uh the hag or the sleep paralysis demons if you will

03:17:11.540 we believe in these entities but they can't simply just take over the body we don't see them as uh

03:17:18.420 being able to interject themselves as a 10th element of the soul you know there's so this gets

03:17:24.900 into kind of a it's awkward to talk about because i don't think words adequately convey some of the

03:17:36.660 points when we get further afield on some of these things it becomes strange but magical efficacy

03:17:47.060 spiritual might

03:17:51.480 is

03:17:54.420 very much tied with intent and with the ability to focus well

03:18:01.460 the rules that spiritual entities such as this play by are often the rules and the paradigms

03:18:12.520 that we set up if a big part of your faith structure which is your internal soul environment

03:18:21.800 that you have built magically for yourself is built upon a helplessness and a weakness in the

03:18:31.640 face of spiritual beings and a built-in fear of them then they start out with a much greater

03:18:42.200 ability to control you and manipulate you because you've built that very hospitable environment

03:18:50.200 for it if you're looking you know if you are a thief and you are looking to steal stuff

03:18:56.200 your first choice is going to be the people with open doors that are inviting you in to take their

03:19:03.660 stuff you're not going to try to assail the fortress you're going to go to the easy mark

03:19:10.560 to get your stuff if you build for yourself a spiritual fortress with faith in your gods and

03:19:18.420 your ancestors to help you and also with a dignity and a might within yourself to be able to stand

03:19:25.400 proof against bad spirits, there's a much greater challenge for them to overcome, to seek to

03:19:33.720 manipulate you or to do whatever bad stuff they want to do to you. So you're creating the internal

03:19:44.040 environment of the victim is seductive to those forces. You're creating the internal environment

03:19:52.680 of the champion is not something they want to pit their will against yours in.

03:20:00.120 If that makes sense.

03:20:02.180 And I know that's out there for some folks, but I think there's a lot of truth to it.

03:20:08.520 And I think that probably holds true across the board and not just in an house of true

03:20:13.260 context.

03:20:16.360 Zamo, you have a question over on the side kind of about, is this something that you

03:20:22.520 can do on your own? Do you need somebody with greater spiritual authority to do these things?

03:20:29.220 If you on the side will reach out to Nick or myself or Svaan, we'd be happy to get you in

03:20:37.640 touch with a go-fi that's maybe close to you that could help you with this. I don't think it's a

03:20:43.340 prerequisite. I think you could do a lot of it yourself, and I encourage you to try that.

03:20:48.220 But if that isn't working for you and you'd like the help of a Gauthier or a Githio, we'd like to help you get in touch with one that can maybe help you in your particular circumstance.

03:21:01.520 So please do that.

03:21:02.460 And Svanya, you had a thought.

03:21:03.260 I just wanted to make sure I put that out there beforehand. 0.95

03:21:06.600 Yeah, everything you're really leaning in on is so important because it is the difference between our faith and their faith.

03:21:15.620 the ground in which you make fertile versus the attainment of your fortress as your body as a whole

03:21:25.780 cannot be just kind of usurped upon. And that is huge because you're clearly showing the shining

03:21:34.200 examples of the differences between. I didn't also mention that I think on the Catholic side

03:21:40.540 of that whole story is that it's very much a tool in order to propagate the power of their church

03:21:47.020 again um i talked about the warrens and their usage of demonology um or i guess shodim ism

03:21:55.800 um in order to kind of propagate the church and their priesthood um it would be very akin to us

03:22:03.880 like saying um you know we're going to tell you this scary story about one of our members of our

03:22:10.080 of our church in Ausatru having, uh, an, an act with a, with an, a knocked Mara. And then one

03:22:16.140 of the Gothar came in and like took care of it. And we're like highly publicizing that it starts

03:22:23.420 to create, um, uh, yeah, it creates that paradigm. It creates that usage. Uh, I would say too,

03:22:31.600 that um i saw zemo you're uh you're um said about the shadow uh the word shadow is an anglo-saxon

03:22:40.320 word um so there is no like linguistic connection between uh shad shadva or shadve or shadway

03:22:50.560 and anglo-saxon to shadim it's just that that those words didn't translate well so that when

03:22:56.000 when the Israelites or the Jews that were coming over into Greece had

03:23:00.740 problems like correlating certain things, like for instance,

03:23:05.300 they, they use the word Christos instead of Messiah, they used, you know,

03:23:10.480 Angelos instead of Malak, they use Shedim instead of,

03:23:14.860 or they used a demon instead of Shedim and so on and so forth.

03:23:20.280 But just wanted to, to, to bring that up.

03:23:23.800 And I see Virilmrage answered my question.

03:23:26.000 Yeah, the old Dybbuk boxes that were going around on YouTube as these, you know, interesting little bits of like Judaic, like mythos going out on YouTube.

03:23:38.840 And of course, they bring a rabbi in and he explains everything.

03:23:42.940 It's wild.

03:23:45.300 But truly an interesting question, though.

03:23:48.920 That sounds exciting.

03:23:52.660 All right.

03:23:53.500 so again thank you guys all so much thank you for bearing with our technical difficulties we had

03:23:59.700 early on in the show we appreciate our producer nick and all the effort that he puts into making

03:24:06.440 this function um we are very lucky to have them to have nick because all the different back end

03:24:14.220 stuff is not something i can do by myself certainly and uh we appreciate all all the

03:24:21.060 work you're putting in. Sometimes it's thankless. And I want us to take the time to thank you,

03:24:25.480 Nick, for the effort you're putting in. Svan, thank you for coming on, sharing your wisdom

03:24:30.500 with us. And we will see you again two weeks from today as we begin our study of the sayings

03:24:38.680 of the high one. Next week, please join me. We're going to have Gauthier Bodie Mayo on

03:24:46.820 to talk to you and introduce himself and talk about Bodhi stuff.

03:24:51.120 He brings a lot to the table.

03:24:52.340 He's been practicing Ausatru longer than myself,

03:24:57.000 and I think about as long as you, Svon.

03:25:01.460 I'm not sure which you or he who started first,

03:25:04.160 but their Ausatru practice goes well back into the 90s.

03:25:07.800 Yeah.

03:25:08.120 So it'll be exciting to have him on.

03:25:12.980 Here we go.

03:25:13.960 All right.

03:25:14.660 Well, we'll talk to you guys then.

03:25:16.820 Until then, hail the gods, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember that victory never sleeps.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - January 19, 2024

1⧸17⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 80 - Völuspá, Part 3

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