00:12:00.140So some people have taken this to mean that the sons of Mim
00:12:04.580might have been in relation to the idea of the jotuns.
00:12:08.100Um, I don't have a huge take on this. Um, I think that, and I don't say this very often.
00:12:20.800um occasionally the the writing of the adas and the poems there's a couple of
00:12:29.680like logistical errors in which things aren't quite expounded on because there's not enough
00:12:38.540space or time um sometimes i look at it as does the context of the audience does the audience
00:12:44.500understand it and maybe we don't um that could be the case with this line but it could also be a
00:12:52.660misnomer of placement we we you know we don't know if our if snotty or even our ancestors really
00:13:04.260understood or placed a heavy emphasis on mimir and say the concepts of time as more or less a
00:13:11.860a, you know, a part of the whole kind of painting the story with words.
00:13:19.380So, I mean, I would say most likely they're referring to the Jotunar because of everything that's happening in the poem.
00:13:29.460And, you know, we talk now about the Jotuns.0.76
00:13:32.900We talk now about the accursed dead and the sons of Muspel.1.00
00:13:38.300Well, and so all of the chaotic forces are now in motion.0.84
00:13:42.140And because of that motion, he who can see at great distance, he pulls his horn, holds it aloft, and sounds it.
00:13:58.340And these next two parts, obviously he sounds it.
00:14:02.460But that last line, in fear quake all who on hell's roads are. So that's an interesting one. Because in the Old Norse, it says,
00:14:17.560So the mention of Hell's Roads is actually kind of a, I think, a part on Bellows, you know, issue is that he kind of added in there the idea of the dead looking up and kind of seeing and hearing the sound of the resounding of heaven.
00:14:47.560You know, but in there, you know, he, he holds up or he gives out the call of his horn aloft.
00:14:56.180And I really, um, let me see, cause I've always, you know, when we talk about, uh, um, Mims Hallwood and Hallwood in, in relation to, um, I'm going to look into that just as we're going.
00:15:17.560but um this 46 this stanza in particular is truly an interesting one and i think that a lot of
00:15:26.780translators have issues with it and they try to understand um or make you know use of it that all
00:15:34.560the stuff about heimdall is very clear and understood but the sons of of uh mimir or mim
00:15:41.220And also the Old Norse version of the stanza doesn't equate those on Hell's Road being, you know, called forth or hearing the sound.
00:15:59.900I'm really like, it's throwing me off and I'm like, I want to look up something.
00:16:03.980So I want to see because of one thing in particular.
00:16:05.960But what we're getting right now is, again, the story is starting to take its zenith point.
00:16:18.400The zenith point is really, I think, all the movement.
00:16:22.240And the Valla is talking about the unknown at this point.
00:16:27.860She's speaking to Lord Odin in a projected sense of what will come.
00:16:33.380Now, it's worth noting that I think our ancestors and by design, the gods, you know, project an idea of hope.
00:16:46.820There's a sliver of hope in this, is that for us, the future is not projected, but is a cumulative events of will.
00:16:57.520and so that which is not is basically a projection like someone pulling back an arrow or pulling back
00:17:08.120a bowstring with an arrow in it you can project the idea of where it will fly based on when it
00:17:16.000is loose but it's not fully there yet and there's a lot of things that can happen along the way
00:17:22.260And I think that's the key point as to why Lord Odin is doing what he's doing. And I mean that in a very real sense. I'm not, I'm not speaking about that in a hypothetical is I think that a lot of people have a tendency to forget that Lord Odin isn't just the Faustian caveat.
00:17:38.360He isn't just the archetypal mindset that a lot of people have, is that Odin is actively doing things in order to, again, change the direction of, or at least prolong the projection of the Vala's prophecy.
00:17:56.360and this is where we start to move into that this is the arrow in flight if you will
00:18:04.620but possibly changed by the wind you know there's a lot going on here
00:18:47.220the the giant as in like humanity the usage of that word it's i don't think it's specifically
00:18:56.760talking about a giant unless there's something lost in there and maybe later on in other uh
00:19:04.380in um other contexts perhaps it is talking about loki himself or soot sooter but it doesn't quite
00:19:16.780you know, uh, focus on that. And I've always taken that to mean more of like the,
00:19:24.840the Jotun losnar. Uh, the Jotun are, the giant is loose is kind of an overall statement of1.00
00:19:33.940the forces of chaos have now come unbound. So, um, here we have, you know, Yggdrasil shakes1.00
00:19:43.720and shivers on high the ancient limbs and the giant is loose to the head of meme
00:19:51.320does odin give heed so here is a point that i think really emphasizes um the dynamicism of
00:20:01.180lord odin is that he immediately transfers through realms and enters the realm of chaos
00:20:07.740as it is now starting to boil, uh, and bubble, he goes into the depths and the secret places
00:20:15.620within the realm of chaos. Um, and then it says here, you know, but, but the kids, the kinsmen
00:20:25.640of cert shall slay him soon. And again, most people would, you know, um, begin to wonder,
00:20:34.600Well, okay, how is the kinsman of Surt? If Fenris is the slayer of Odin, how is Fenris a kinsman of Surt?
00:20:47.740And that makes a very interesting point.
00:20:53.620Again, I think there is a huge amount of clerical errors in relation to connecting the dots, especially in this part.
00:21:04.100And it kind of paints the entirety of everything happening with a sense of uncertainty, even though I think it wasn't done on purpose. I think it was done accidentally.
00:21:16.220Uh, that, again, this brings up a lot of the, I've heard a lot of discussions about how Lord Odin is perhaps slain by an unprojected, and I mean this in the sense that people haven't quite found a solid answer, but have thought of, or perhaps levied an idea that, um, Lord Odin is slain by
00:21:46.220a jotun or a kinsman of cert whereas perhaps fenris is more a meeting of which uh lord tier
00:21:56.700has to finish his cycle because again a lot of people have keyed in on the idea that it's it's
00:22:02.540odd that lord tier faces off with garn and lord odin faces off with fenris and here they're
00:22:09.180mentioning the you know the kinsmen of cert and um you know either this was just seen as
00:22:16.220uh, another agent of the Yotnar or of the entirety of the chaos. And that, that's what binds them
00:22:26.140is that now they're, you know, enemies of the gods. And so any enemy of the gods is a kinsman
00:22:31.480to each other. I mean, we could read it into that and I don't exactly know how far we could stretch
00:22:38.060it um but there's i think a clear sense of uh there's framing and leaning here in order to
00:22:49.500create i think connective points while also maintaining poetic correction or correct like
00:22:57.720meter and correct you know uh linguistic holdings and so these these uh these two uh stanzas are
00:23:06.360extremely interesting when we look at them. And there's a lot to pick apart.
00:23:17.160I, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm especially like, I'm looking here and I want to see, but as we're
00:23:23.560going to continue on, because I just wanted to bring up points. The other thing is, is I,
00:23:29.240it's not necessarily to explain all things within the poem as it is to entice everyone listening.
00:23:36.360to look at the, at the poems, look at some of the translations, look how the translators
00:23:41.580may have turned things or, or shifted things in order to create their interpretations
00:23:48.620in a, in a, in a better light. Um, you know, as, as we, you know, go through, I'm in, I'm
00:23:58.060beckoning people to look at these stanzas and try to figure them out and try to, uh, you know,
00:24:05.300take in their own conceptualizations. I'm trying to state general arguments throughout
00:24:13.220that have been made, some that I've heard, some that I've read about, some that have been discussed
00:24:19.540throughout either the lore within the Gothar or the lore within just peer studies in relation to
00:24:33.520this. And again, you know, there's the, you know, connection between these two. The last line in
00:24:42.980Fearquake All, who on hell's roads are, whereas the last, you know, line in Old Norse is
00:24:51.180and that is not the you know the direct correlation so these two are
00:25:03.440truly interesting uh but we see now that lord odin moves his way towards the well
00:25:14.700of me the well of memory of all actions that have come and all things and now is in essence
00:25:23.140seeing the motion of which things are going and the valla asks in 48 how fair the gods
00:25:31.780How fares the gods, how fares the elves
00:31:02.920From the east comes Hrim, with shield hell high.
00:31:08.060Now it's worth noting that the word Hrim means cracked with age,
00:31:14.260or to become decrepit, or to become aged.
00:31:19.120And again, you see repeatedly Jotunheim is often kind of seen as a place where time ends or time breaks apart. It's that threshold between the world of man and the underworld, and that is kind of where time dissipates.
00:31:37.380That's why Mimir's well is there. And again, I think it applies here with Primr and his agedness, the agedness of his cracking and coming to an older state.0.71
00:31:51.040Again, the Jotunar are always seen as elder beings or beings that have been around like the mountains, and that's kind of how the jump came into them being giants.
00:32:04.700But the elderness of them is oftentimes, I think, lost, and his name really holds true to it.
00:32:14.820And he comes from the east with his shield held high.
00:32:18.060this of course means ready to battle he's he's uh generally seen as you know the strength of the
00:32:23.120gods is um rallying behind i mean the strengths of the giants is rallying behind him so his shield
00:32:31.020is held high and he's he is ready um and you know in in the strength of the gods does the serpent
00:32:40.160writhe in the giant wrath uh the the word yatun modhi is the word that is used and that
00:32:47.200would, again, correlate to the ancient strength of the Jotunar, their being. And in that strength
00:32:57.880soon comes about the twisting or the writhing or the curdling edges of the serpent writhe.
00:33:08.540And again, this is, you know, speaking of Jormann Gandur, and it's not mentioned in the English translation, but it is in the Old Norse.
00:33:23.480So, you know, from the east comes Hrim with shield held high.
00:33:29.960And here we have Hrimmer Ecker Austen, Hevisk Lind Firir.
00:33:38.540And then, snisk Jörmungandr i Jotunmodi.0.92
00:33:44.520So, the writhing Jörmungandr is of great Jotun strength, or is of Jotun strength.
00:33:52.780So, it's really interesting when we see these translations, because it doesn't make a lot of sense in English, the way that it's directly written.
00:34:00.280And it has to be kind of contextualized.
00:34:03.720And then again, what does it exactly mean in Jotun strength?
00:34:09.740So, you know, again, ancient and great strength.
00:39:12.780above the mountain tops that hold the gods aloft,
00:39:17.780gods aloft are never fully contextualized as being a specific mountain range or anything of that
00:39:23.940nature as more or less just that that center place and here you'd have to think of it as again if0.98
00:39:31.700we're looking at the the world in a flat sense under your feet the yotan are coming from the east0.52
00:39:40.420and with it they're stirring up the wind so you have cream and all the yotan that are you know
00:39:46.980know have been itching to get to the center and get to the over the midgarve and up into the0.98
00:39:53.860heavenly realm they're crossing through into our world and bringing with them chaos and destruction
00:40:00.700and so the the eagle is flying over them and it's stirring up the wind of great storms1.00
00:40:07.320Jormungandr is writhing in the water and the the Jotunar are themselves coming and from the north
00:40:14.220there is a cave and out of the cave is spilling forth the you know the the accursed dead the ones0.88
00:40:20.060that are you know that have were rejected by their ancestors and their their varger and they're you
00:40:28.700know just you know riding in and up on this ship so in a way the the poetics i think are kind of
00:40:37.340keeping to a rule but when you talk about it from a storytelling standpoint it is very much an epic
00:40:43.980kind of enclosing of the middle which everything is kind of writhing and rolling and wind is
00:40:51.020blowing and churning there the the words here are kind of lost with the imagery that are placed
00:40:58.780inside the context um so you know i like to bring that into point um when we talk about it in a
00:41:07.980story form is like imagine our ancestors you know hearing this and seeing things in a uh
00:41:14.540dimensional sense that is based around under their feet you know we know for a fact and a lot of
00:41:20.540people have asked you know does also true uh believe the world is flat does um you know the
00:41:27.820conceptualization of that and i don't think that's the case i think that just as much as say
00:41:33.500christianity was looking at the world in a solar centric i mean uh earth centric view as opposed
00:41:40.220to a solar one our ancestors were looking at from the individual uh from the from the the folk as
00:41:49.340they stood and so in that sense all of the paradigms are mythically laid out but they're
00:41:56.140They're also spiritually correct. The idea of, of the, you know, the upper world is where the gods reside in the east where the chaos comes. That's where the, that's where the, the Yotnar come from the west.
00:42:10.600You know, that's where the life and the growing and the cycles of all things.0.99
00:42:17.040And beneath us is where the Dvergar are.
00:42:19.920And beneath that is where, you know, the souls return to Vergelmer and the roiling and rolling well.
00:42:30.040So it's, I think it is super important to look at cosmology in two ways.
00:42:35.400One is as it is written, but also, two, as it was conceptualized from ourselves and from our feet and from where we sit and from where we stand and from where our house is, as opposed to, you know, seeing, you know, it's like if I drive to the east, I'm not going to hit Yotunhan.
00:42:57.220Or if I, you know, go eastward from my position directly, you know, off the planet and into, you know, the cosmos, it's, again, it's about planar thresholds and what these planar thresholds mean and what the powers and the dominions that derive from there.
00:43:20.480The gods are above, and they derive their power and dominion down into the middle world. The Yotnar are in the east, and they derive their power into us in a westward motion. The Vanir are in the west, and they derive their power easterly into creation.0.96
00:43:38.780And so all of these things are, I think, really important and get lost when people try to diagram or perhaps overanalyze the just strictly the poems.
00:43:52.780so all right guys we're at a um convenient stopping point here uh as you guys can notice
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00:45:59.840I'm trying to figure out folks on the back end so we can make sure that doesn't ever happen again.
00:46:08.080Svon, so a lot of these things that we're going over in specifically these last five stanzas aren't really that separate.
00:46:21.780They're all imagery that explains to us that chaos has broken down the structure that orders our cosmos and our existence.
00:46:36.260And you see that, as Svon said, in different contexts, in different parts of the alignment of the worlds.
00:46:47.460You see all of these things colliding because the elements in our cosmology that cause separation, that cause order, that cause structure, are broken down.
00:47:02.680And things from one begin flowing into the other in chaotic, violent ways.
00:47:12.460The order of the cosmos is broken and shaken up.
00:47:17.460and that's the the most grand scale that they can portray ragnarok on is chaos breaking down
00:47:27.620that structure and encroaching upon the very essence of order which is our gods
00:47:35.620and that's that's where we're at starting this next uh
00:47:40.420next section what's that starting about 51 i believe so
00:47:47.240it's funny yeah oh oh so i've i think we had a couple of things we do have some questions
00:47:56.580everybody who asked questions on the other side um we have those written down and we'll we'll
00:48:04.580definitely get to those. Folks that ask questions that aren't related to the text, we'll get to
00:48:11.200those when we're all done with the text. So we do remember it's, they're there and we will get to
00:48:16.620them. One that does have something to do with the text though, the Wolf Throne asks is Mimir the
00:48:24.080godhead and i think i think that's an interesting question and i think the concept of a godhead
00:48:35.280in general is confusing especially depending upon which religious tradition is using the term
00:48:43.280In one sense, Mimir literally is memory and is the contemplative nature of that memory.
00:49:00.660in a very real way mimir embodies the the folk memory it embodies the something that comes from
00:49:12.020that ancient time before the current order is established it's a his mimir's head is a font of
00:49:20.880ancient memory it's a font of orlog and the idea that it springs forth it's
00:49:28.900an embodiment or a access point to that which springs from the most ancient and from the
00:49:38.100beginning there are elements that do coincide with an impersonal godhead element but our
00:49:47.060myth isn't broken down in that kind of verbiage and kind of function so I don't think there's a
00:49:54.260clean yes or no answer and the fact that it's a font of of Orlog if you will
00:50:00.500one of the other elements just kind of in the poeticness of the the sons of Mimir in a way
00:50:09.920that speaks a lot to the progression, because it talks about that in relation to fate.
00:50:22.520And, you know, the sons of memory chronologically take us into a present, and they mention fate
00:50:31.700as into a, you know, likely future outcome.
00:50:36.660So it gets those three separate ideas of time
00:50:40.220in that one passage in a very poetic way.
00:50:44.620And that's the thing, Chris, reading your comment over on the side,
00:50:59.400than it does in Jewish religious studies.
00:51:01.700All of those things have a different degree on how much Godhead equals a personal totality of their supreme God, or how much it is the concept of Godness itself, or various things along that structure, the truth that underlies God in some of those conceptions.
00:51:29.480So, again, it's not exactly clean the more you read it.
00:51:36.940But, no, Mimir does not equal prime mover, impersonal, supreme God.
00:51:45.580But certainly is a font towards accessing that most ancient memory of our folk soul, absolutely.
00:51:55.640um i think that it's worth you know noting that um i and i've mentioned this before i think that
00:52:04.560when you know uh christians talk about oh it's all part of god's plan or you know it's kind of
00:52:09.200this broad head of movement or this sourcing of things um it i i think that if we're talking
00:52:18.300about godhead in the way that you just contextualized it i would say that yggdrasil is
00:52:25.260perhaps the font the unmoving source of you know of all things the the the first of the tripartite
00:52:33.820in the middle in the cosmos in the chaos in the in the great gap and emir is transformed and
00:52:42.380avhumla is transformed but yggdrasil remains but it is worth noting where is mimir placed he is
00:52:50.220placed along upon the route at one of the the sources but i you know again then as the name
00:52:57.180implies mimir's memory so i i think it's worth looking at instead of perhaps the spring in which
00:53:05.740all things are flowing is more or less the value is where all things are flowing into
00:53:11.180is the memory well and that is what truly makes him powerful so if if earth and earth earth's0.64
00:53:21.340brunner earth's well in heaven is the faunting of yggdrasil's power into the middle world0.93
00:53:28.540everything's kind of descending through that wellspring or threshold of liquid into the0.82
00:53:33.500middle world everything that interplays all the weaving of of orlong all the weaving of weird
00:53:39.820all the deeds that are done and the fates that are that are made all plays out in the middle and then
00:53:45.900flows into memory and then there's a root there a corresponding root that up so this that that is
00:53:56.540i think deeply important but ultimately that the idea that the wellspring above drips into the the
00:54:02.620middle the wellspring in the middle drips to the low and the wellspring in the low drips into the
00:54:07.980proto but each time there's a drawing up of the roots super important there but if we're talking
00:54:15.100about uh like the godhead or the single god um yeah i i agree with you i don't think it i don't
00:54:22.140think he correlates exactly as kind of this overarching uh source i know like in like with
00:54:30.220Plato's referencing of things, you know, the kind of the divine source, I would say Yggdrasil fits
00:54:38.640that far better than Mimir, but Mimir is a part of the functioning of Yggdrasil, part of that
00:54:48.980circulatory system of the worlds, of the upper, middle, and lower, and why it is so important to
00:54:55.680understand why there are roots and why there are wells and why each of them are placed within each
00:55:01.360level um i think that's a huge part of our aryan cosmology so chris um as a follow-up chris for
00:55:12.000those following along asks so mimir could as carl jung called it or could be as carl young called
00:55:19.120it our collective unconscious that is yes sort of it's not so much that Mimir himself is the
00:55:31.080collective unconscious as he is a door to the collective unconscious he is an access his head
00:55:39.880is an access point to consult with the collective unconscious unconscious in its most primal state
00:55:48.360um the collective unconscious the closest thing that that i think we could call that is our folk
00:55:56.600soul and that incorporates past present and future to agree that to a degree that's really
00:56:12.760hard to express but mimir is a door to that collected folk memory um or his head rather
00:56:25.560is a door to that collected folk memory that that the all-father can consult
00:56:32.920um and with that uh swan if you would like to carry on with our next stanza please yeah and i
00:56:42.200I'm working currently, while we're actually going forward, I'm still looking back on stanza 46, so I might be interjecting a little bit, because again, the translation, in fear quake, all who on hell's roads are, really bothers me, because that's not what is said.
00:57:02.140You know, what is said is that Odin measures what is happening, and Mimir shakes.
00:57:11.280So, and another thing, too, is he says, you know, fast-moving, or fast-move the sons of Mim, but it's more or less contextualized that the sons of Mim are playing, or as perhaps, like, again,
00:57:27.320the uh the the inevitable is coming true the song of the inevitable the doom that is coming
00:57:36.680is playing out and so i i just that that's really um vexing me in a way um and i'm so i'm i'm can
00:57:47.240i'm still poking at some of these things and it's worth noting like for me a lot of my translational
00:57:54.220stuff comes um you know it's it's like i don't i haven't memorized the adas and or or even the
00:58:03.220like just i haven't memorized it in old norse so a lot of it is about kind of picking it apart
00:58:08.660looking at it looking at different meanings and perhaps what they could mean whether it's modern
00:58:14.440icelandic whether it's old icelandic or whether it's old norse so a lot of that is kind of that
00:58:19.400that picking apart. I don't like to say certain things are what they mean, unless I can kind of
00:58:26.700also get the grip of their context. Cause again, sometimes, you know,
00:58:33.440a simple name could have different context in relation to the stanza. So, you know, I, I'm
00:58:43.100still picking it apart and i'm you know trying again to give the best form of um
00:58:54.540i guess laying it out for people like a buffet for people to read into to study to go back and
00:59:00.620look and say okay well i can kind of see it like this or perhaps bellows translation is slightly
00:59:05.500different uh in this way than obviously like hollander's you know and so on and so forth
00:59:12.300because that's really what i think our place uh as gothar and as the afa have always done is
00:59:19.500we have looked at all of the translations laid them out and pondered them instead of simply saying
00:59:27.260this is the translation of this and this is the translation of that because when you do that you
00:59:34.540end up not fully contextualizing things or you know in reality i see a lot of people just make
00:59:40.940things up or leave things gray on purpose without any uh you know idea of it um again a perfect
00:59:49.100example of that is people that translate um uh the people of the wolf as to being heimdall
00:59:58.860that was a big one for me where that that translation was so glaringly kind of like
01:00:03.900a stubbed toe that i i was like oh and people don't they'll take that for the value that it is
01:00:13.180they'll see it it's written down oh that makes or that makes sense to them because they don't
01:00:17.340have anything to contextualize it with it's not laid out before them and they accept it
01:00:21.420they eat it down and it's probably very wrong so that's why if anybody's wondering why we're
01:00:29.020i'm laying these out in kind of multiple angles is because that's what i want people to understand
01:00:33.660is that we see our gods as the gods living and working and moving as they do,
01:00:38.880and that our stories are kind of, again, seen from the angles of many different translations
01:00:44.880and our understanding of Old Norse in and of itself, which can be shaky at times.
01:02:11.080We just happen to have a really convenient website
01:02:13.600with the exact screen that Svon and I are looking on.
01:02:26.400So, um, yeah, it's, it's, uh, over the sea from the east, there sails a ship and the ship is, is, is just a ship. It's not a specific ship. It is, you know, a kjol is a ship.
01:02:46.500So a ship fares from the east and comes the sons of Muspel.
01:02:53.440Now, this is, again, another interesting thing, because I wonder in relation to we know that Snorri talks about the south and the coming of the sons of Muspel, and they're coming from Muspelheim.
01:03:05.800But again, they're referencing to the Jotuns as also being the sons of Muspel or that in relation, which is why a lot of people don't know what Muspel means, but correlate it to destruction or perhaps fiery destruction or what have you.
01:03:27.920And if this is the word muspels, then, you know, this could be seen as like from the east the ship flows and there comes, you know, the sons of destruction.
01:03:38.320But it is worth noting that in all of these cases, we see the moving through Midgar is in the form of a ship.
01:03:47.440so again rivers and we talked about this before is that rivers are always kind of
01:03:54.860liminal space between planar um thresholds and so every river that's mentioned in the stories
01:04:04.240is kind of seen as a as a either a threshold within the world of or the plane or between
01:04:11.700the planes we see that with gil in between the the land of the living in the land of the dead
01:04:17.380We see that again with, oh crap, the name of the river alludes me, but in HarbarĂ°r's tale, the river that he's crossing between Jotunheim and heaven.
01:04:33.740But then there is clearly like the river Thund in heaven is a threshold between Valhall and the other realms of Ausgard.
01:04:43.580it or our start so rivers always represent that liminal force space and from the east a boat comes
01:04:52.220and from the from the underneath a boat comes the must spell uh are faring you know through vessels
01:05:00.020transferring between hard realms through a liquid um and i think that that's another reason why you
01:05:10.040know, when we talk about like holy spaces where people walk over bridges is a, is a, a kind
01:05:16.940of reemphasizing of this. So, um, a ship from the East sails, um, you know, with, with
01:05:26.020the sons, with the, uh, of, of Muspel at the helm stands Loki. After the wolf do wild
01:05:37.000men follow. And with them, the brother of Belist goes. So, or Belist. So there's a couple things0.98
01:05:48.880there. I think ultimately, perhaps the angling of it, of the Sons of Muspel and the Jotuns of
01:05:57.380the East, and all of this is kind of being laid before as, again, coalescing towards the center.
01:06:05.360But I really do like the after, you know, after the wolf, all of all of his of the powers with him go.
01:06:18.920And I think that's, again, referencing to the the Varker of the underworld, of the chaotic elements of the of the East or of Jotunheim or the place of dissipation.
01:06:30.900Everything is following in after these great kind of focused points.0.97
01:06:36.760And another thing about this is Belist Brother.
01:06:40.540Belist is, again, an unknown factor in relation to Loki.
01:06:50.640And I think a lot of people that are familiar with the lore will say, oh, yeah, you know, there's Loki's father is Faurbauti, the Farbiter.
01:06:59.560or one that might again like in reference to an arrow sailing over and kind of hitting something
01:07:05.000um i've heard people speculate too that that uh you know uh that faur bauti could be in reference
01:07:13.260to like a comet or something of that nature but there's no like specifics that could be laid down
01:07:19.820or pointed at um and then of course laufi the the uh island the leafy or or the place that is leafy
01:07:31.580but then there's mention of two brothers that loki has but there's never any real
01:07:36.300letting into it and again these fragments part of the the corralling of the poems leaves us with
01:07:44.300with many unanswered questions in relation to perhaps other stories.
01:07:49.560Belyst and Helblinde are two beings mentioned as being connected to
01:10:53.980the crags are sundered, the giant women sink.
01:11:00.740the the uh the dead throng hell way and heaven is cloven and i really love that line um
01:11:14.700it's it's such a powerful line in the idea of what we're talking about
01:11:21.380is that the the mountains of heaven are shaken that the the nornir in essence
01:11:30.580are drawing in the road to hell is is breached and so the below and the above are both kind of
01:11:40.940in a way met and um the the clovenness of heaven is such a powerful thing and in in the in the uh
01:11:53.640translation in 52, it says in him in Klovenar. And so again, I want to reemphasize to a lot of
01:12:00.720the folks that might not realize that heaven is a Germanic word. It is a German word. It is not
01:12:06.300in Aramaic. It is not in Hebrew. It is, it is our word, if you will. And so a lot of people,
01:12:15.600you know, definitely get caught up on that. Like they do the word church. And, you know,
01:12:21.540even though we could clearly talk about the circle or, or the Greek, you know, usage of the
01:12:26.020word heaven is ours and it is quite clear. So, um, uh, you know, as below is above, everything is
01:12:35.280cloven open. And so, okay, this is an interesting one here. Uh, anybody that is familiar with the
01:12:44.360our senior at length of all the goddesses and um we we clearly have a reference to clean uh
01:12:55.880and it says now comes to lean yet another hurt and a lot of people have always correlated
01:13:02.760uh clean directly to frig and that's where a lot of the hypostasis idea comes from this perhaps
01:13:10.120Perhaps Frigg is Hlyn and Frigg is Saga and Frigg is so on and so forth, but I would say it's worth noting that what Hlyn is, is an ausenior directly in correlation to the protection of those that Frigg is beloved.
01:13:34.400She loves and cares for, and Hlyn then is the arbiter of that protection. And so the sorrow of Hlyn would be that one of the beloved of her lady, Frigg, is doomed now.
01:13:54.200And so I think it would be worth stating that it could simply be just as it is, and that there's no reason to try to correlate these two and get confused. It's just understanding the Alseñor.
01:14:05.340I think that the Alseñor, when we talk about the goddesses and we talk about the two major goddesses, absolutely and clearly, unshakably, are Freyga and Freyja.
01:14:17.620And when we talk about the Ausenir in relation to, like, say, Sauga and Sjolven and Ljolven and Var and Vor, these Ausenir are kind of, again, correlated in as a, seen as kind of a court or seen as kind of as a, perhaps, spokes in a wheel.
01:14:44.460where, you know, Frigga is kind of at center
01:14:50.600because a lot of the motion that Frigga has in the world,
01:15:12.040This, of course, is referencing to Lord Frey, as he has been referred to as the Slayer of Beli, seeks out Surt.
01:15:24.240And so these two are kind of, again, correlating the end dooming and connection points.
01:15:32.420And so Odin fares forth to fight the wolf, and Frey fares forth to fight Surt.
01:15:39.760And if you take things quite literally, you would be like, well, why are those two mentioned as being the hurt of Hlynne? And I think it's just simply noting that the protection and the charge of the beloved of Frigg is about to meet the doom. And that is yet another hurt.
01:15:57.380and i think that when we're talking about yet another we're talking about balder balder is
01:16:04.020of course clean is you know in charge of in the protection of of him as beloved of frigga and now
01:16:11.140to another hurt is to come and then you know again the the addition of lord fray
01:16:18.420fighting cert is again doesn't quite correlate but uh there must fall the joy of frigg which is
01:16:26.020of course, Lord Odin is the joy of Frigg. So, uh, 53 is, I think a lot of people read into it too
01:16:34.700much, but it's an understanding of poetics and the addition of, and Bedley's fair slayer
01:16:40.880seeks out Cirque is, is again, an addition that throws a lot of people off. If you look at line
01:16:47.880one, line two, and line four in, in stanza 53, they're all in correlation to Odin. And I've
01:16:55.060often wondered was this an interjection was this something that during the compiling of the poem
01:17:02.380it was added in order to create the correct you know like meter um because it just kind of sticks
01:17:10.220out um but you know that's again perhaps that was just something that at the time and understanding
01:17:20.460with Snorri's translations and with the compiling of, of all of the adas at that time, you know,
01:17:27.220we're talking, um, about 150 years after Iceland is converted. So there is a lot that can happen
01:17:37.380in those translations and it's, you know, just worth considering. Um, so in stanza 54, then
01:17:45.380comes Sigfather's mighty son, Vidar, to fight the foaming wolf. In the giant sun does he thrust his
01:17:57.040sword, full to the heart his father avenged. So the usage of the sword, the usage of, you know,
01:18:13.860again, the avengement of, and in the giant sun, the understanding of who that exactly is,
01:18:26.500is the Jotunar, or the Jotunborn Loki, who is the son of his father, Faurbaut. So this is Fenris,
01:18:35.140Um, or this is the, the, the chaos wolf that is being avenged by Vidar, who has come to finally commit to his correct action and bringing that. So, you know, we talk about these, the, the meetings of, of these, uh, one for ones in, in the Volospao.
01:18:57.580And there are, of course, gleanings in other poetics, but here it's pretty much just, you know, straightforward
01:19:03.660In 55, the translation here is truly, again, kind of, you know, interesting
01:26:19.520Those words kind of all have those things. And you see it in a more positive way on the term elf or alf. It can mean a variety of different types of beings that are in an elevated state closer to our gods.
01:26:38.220some of which are male ancestors, some of which occupy the natural world and are land spirits.
01:26:46.900Some of them, you know, are conceived of as like the Yule Elf that delivers presents and stuff.
01:26:58.920A lot of those good, beneficial spirits are Alvar, just like any of the bad enemies of order, enemies of the gods, forces of chaos get the term Jotunar applied to them in a way.
01:27:17.920And it's just something to kind of track in your head as we go through the information.
01:27:21.340Yeah, and it's, you know, if you're able to read along on this, the 54 and 55, especially in relation to like Hauksbach and how the standing, you know, evidence of the verses are kind of in bad shape.
01:27:38.400But there's, you know, it's also, you know, worth noting that Bellows kind of shifts things around because in 55, you know, he says, then comes in great strength, sick father.
01:27:48.160And I got that mixed up. You know, he, the old Norse, he has, you know, it's 55, but he says it in 54. Then comes Sigfather's mighty son. And I, you know, realizing that Bellows' translations kind of, again, chop things up and then rearrange them on his end kind of throws me off as I'm reading the old Norse side.
01:28:11.920and it's like oh you know some are correct in their placement and other times he he shifts
01:28:18.260things over in the english version keep keep in mind here you're trying to get
01:28:23.920the bigger points that are laid out and you're trying to get an understanding of
01:28:30.580a better way of relating to our gods through our lore the lore as it's come to us is not perfect
01:28:39.540You can see in the text that we have where Bellows makes a mistake in translation from the original source material, which is, again, many generations after the first telling of this in that language,
01:29:00.940which in and of itself is eons after the origin of these events as our you know the spark occurs
01:29:11.420divinely in our folk to manifest into our lore and our edict stories so the exact specifics of
01:29:20.560all these things are fun exercises to try to hunt down and as you can tell by swan's enthusiasm on
01:29:26.640these things. It's cool and it's fun and it's worthwhile to do. And you learn a lot through
01:29:31.540the etymology. But the point of all of this is to better understand and build relationship with our
01:29:38.220gods and to align ourselves with them. And I suppose that's another thing that's worth mentioning
01:29:44.160going forward. And again, we're going to do this from time to time is take little detours off the
01:29:51.000lore to talk about some of these points as they're relevant relevant to usager so
01:32:59.080A similar thing is in Christianity, for example,
01:33:07.080You have Christians that define themselves by their loyalty to Christ, and you have Satanists that most of them don't even really believe or really worship the Christian devil as much as they stand in opposition to Christian normalcy.
01:33:32.480But the point of commonality is they all accept the Judeo-Christian mythos as their canvas that their life is painted upon.
01:33:45.020They accept that as the reality they're within.
01:33:47.400For a time, that was the only commonality in modern Alcitru was this idea of loosely believing that this myth cycle is our myth cycle.
01:34:02.480and you had you know misguided people trying to be roca true or vana true or all these
01:34:11.440different little things to make themselves a special snowflake
01:34:18.400no we first accept this is our reality and then from that place of understanding we choose to
01:34:26.400stand loyally with the iser and that's that is a fundamental to our practice
01:34:39.920you mentioning that and just um again i you know the rampantness versus the tangibility
01:34:46.800of ideals the rampantness of people to like edge lord the edge lording of edge lords like
01:34:53.280Like they were seeking these kind of like finite and brittle crusts in order to establish themselves as being some pioneers of ideals.
01:35:05.740And I really think that that was ultimately, you could see, especially when in relation to people claiming that they were loyal to the Jotun or the Jotnar or Rakatru or whatever the hell they want to call themselves,
01:35:22.300is that in reality, they're applying this concept that I started to see in the early 2000s, 2006, 2007,
01:35:34.620is the idea of the Germanic ideals of heroism, the Aryan ideals of divine heroism and nobility were being rejected.
01:35:44.400And that it was the Jotunar who were actually kind of misunderstood.0.96
01:35:48.400And that the gods were just Chad jerks, like, you know, bullying or being or what have you.0.97
01:35:58.600That was something that absolutely, even though it wasn't said outright, was clearly being leveled.
01:36:05.900These people are basically saying that their worldview is that the gods of order,
01:36:11.780which they don't really truly see them as or believe in them are you know the bullies of the
01:36:18.500of the thing and the misunderstood and so you clearly see they're really just painting
01:36:22.740a kind of world view or a philosophy that they have upon the gods and that is
01:36:29.860you know in pious and it's it's highest form of just i can't even like conceptualize around it
01:36:38.580again i have seen worse in illustration but that's pretty bad just in i guess living your your your
01:36:46.900convictions out loud these people are basically stating that um and what hubris to to be able to
01:36:56.340to live in a world where um you know that if this if the sky was to quake above them it would
01:37:02.420clearly shake them to their core but when they're at home and they're at in their armchairs they can
01:37:07.860you know state like oh well the gods are really like the bullies of the whole thing and0.97
01:37:12.180the yotnar are misunderstood and you know it's like that it's kind of the the obliviousness of
01:37:17.860being so disconnected from natural law and cosmic order at at the height and i think that the i think0.97
01:37:27.460that the yotnar revel in that ignorance they revel in that um their inability to kind of ground0.58
01:37:35.860themselves in the divine measurement in which the gods have stated and placed before us and uh you0.87
01:37:43.400know again if you that you are a supporter of that disillusion if you're a supporter of that
01:37:48.300cosmic um kind of chaos you are not ausitru and you are in essence kind of feeding into the overall
01:37:57.100um and i think that also came about with a lot of the the blanket caveat was that according to the
01:38:04.260lore uh snorty was just christianizing things and again i spoke about that in the last um
01:38:11.240episode is that that is not i think a correct path for any of us to follow
01:38:16.200is understanding that our our ancestors did see you know a darkness and a light there was a
01:38:22.960gold and an and an uh evil there was good and evil there was you know him and yeah and hell
01:38:29.480And it was just that, yes, perhaps there is Christianization in context, but it's not being made up as in like there's an absence of it. It's just that he's changing the context. We still have those, those points and references.
01:38:47.360they so these people were just basically creating you know caveat arguments in order to get out and
01:38:54.820do what they wanted to do i'm sorry i'm reading some of the comments corroborated by tumblr
01:39:04.280what a terrible place yes uh that that was what i was speaking of in relation to the blasphemy of
01:44:55.800So now we're talking about the might of Thor against Jormungandr.
01:45:03.500And in this, I like to conceptualize some of the things as we're talking about perhaps greater cosmic ideals instead of just nitpicking on poetics is that I kind of feel when we're talking about the sun of the earth and of the sky,
01:45:19.600If we're talking about Lord Thor as his point between natural law and cosmic order, between the sky and the earth, between all of these things, I find it oftentimes worth considering the might of his being in relation to the earth as like the magnetic.
01:45:42.420um sometimes you know and as we know in this understanding and i've spoken about that before
01:45:47.200as our understanding of science kind of also helps perhaps look at myth or mythos in an interesting
01:45:54.160way uh is is this this moment of understanding of like perhaps the magnetic pull or the currents of
01:46:04.520the of the waters in relation to each other and how these kind of come about and with our
01:46:09.800understanding of perhaps the flows underneath the earth and the flows above the earth. We're
01:46:17.140starting to see that, again, the great shifting. And I've often wondered about the nine paces.
01:46:23.960There's a lot of theories on it, or conceptualizations, I should say, not theories,
01:46:30.180conceptualizations to the nine paces. The nine paces could be simply a poetic
01:46:34.760reestablishing of the holy number nine. It could again also be seen as perhaps phases in which
01:46:42.400the turning of the earth and the currents are composed of as they move and change as this
01:46:51.000fight between Lord Thor and Jormungandr commit. Oh, I also wanted to mention that Jormungandr
01:47:00.880means the gigantic wand uh again and this is a poetic reference to a snake not having legs
01:47:08.220um a snake not having legs in an essence is a gondar but it's a turning uh coiling gigantic
01:47:17.880wand is a poetic usage of of the name of the great serpent so if we were to say the world serpent
01:47:24.620or the, you know, the mighty serpent that looses its tail, you know, it's an equivalency with
01:47:32.740English that we could say that without, you know, saying the direct translation or because that
01:47:38.540would lose its poetic meaning. But Jormungandr is oftentimes just viewed as, oh, it's, you know,
01:47:45.480I've heard people say like Jormungandr or Jormungandr as just a name without, you know,
01:47:50.740contextualizing its poetic meaning but um you know i wonder often if the skulls that speak of the
01:48:01.160stories of the gods if the name of like to conceptualize the idea that what if iormangander
01:48:07.640is a name that is is utilized for poetic meaning in the old norse but was not spoken of in direct
01:48:17.060like referencing before the understanding of the serpent is as old as
01:48:22.900um our people and the idea of then this coalescence of the warrior fighting the serpent
01:48:29.280the striker fighting the great worm it's all there but it's you know i i think it's important
01:48:37.800for us to understand that iormangandr is the old norse referencing to this force this this being
01:48:47.880this serpent the the the that are no undoubtedly our ancestors knew of spoke of and we can clearly
01:48:56.040see it through all arian mythos um as not being called iormangandr is that it's like the the force
01:49:05.000is older than the name but the name is also important because it's one of the last and most
01:49:09.800beautifully poetically you know uh levied names towards this this creature so when people you
01:49:18.260know speak i think like in when they're coming into aussitur and they're speaking about the
01:49:22.580stories and they they oh that that's the serpent is jormungandr and jormungandr is the you know
01:49:29.060fights with thor and instead they should also kind of open up to understanding that
01:49:34.800Thor, Thunor, Thonoraz, Donor, he has many names or variants of names in our languages,
01:49:45.620but he is that mighty god who is fighting against that mighty force. And it goes past the Viking
01:49:54.600age. And I say that with air quotes. And it's worth noting that. And again, it places itself0.57
01:50:04.620when people try to overly translate and stick strictly to Old Norse without conceptualizing
01:50:11.480origin of story and where stories come from and why they were spoken. They were not spoken always
01:50:19.800in poetics. They were spoken as tales. And then those tales, you know, can be formulized into
01:50:27.520And it's beautiful, and even to the point where, again, it's almost semi-scripturesque in the idea of how beautiful it sounded, but I don't think we should overly focus to the point where we lose origin and core and understanding.
01:50:46.820Again, that applies here with the son of Fjörgen.
01:50:53.120So Fjörgen is like the word yarth.0.65
01:50:57.080It is in relation to, and Snorri calls her a jotin.
01:51:01.700We know that the goddess of the earth, as according to Tacitus spoke of, he calls her nerthus.
01:51:08.220um and so a lot of times this correlation um is you know seen as more of a linguistic and not a
01:51:18.580hypostasis thing is that the old norse simply just called nerthus yarth because it means the
01:51:23.780same thing it's the earth it's where we get the word earth from it's where we get the word hearth
01:51:28.040And in the same sense, when we talk about Frigga being born of the earth, so Fjorkiner can represent, and it throws people off because it's mentioned clearly as Fjorkin as she is the goddess of the earth or the dominion of the earth, and she bears forth Frigga.
01:51:53.180And a lot of people try to, again, hypostasis her and Frigga as being simply the same, or they need to make, again, Odin is singular sky daddy and Frigga now is singular earth mommy.
01:52:07.220And all of those iterations and the plurality of polytheism kind of starts to get washed away, even by people who claim that they're polytheists.
01:52:15.780um the uh the the idea of the usage of the word fjörkiner clearly states that he is the son of
01:52:24.060the earth and that the earth is again yarth or the the the birthing of of the solid to the sky
01:52:35.160the the above and in that case you know Odin is the sky father that's what he is the father and
01:52:42.040he is of the sky and he comes and he, you know, melds with Fjörgen or with the earth in the
01:52:53.480beginning when the battle is ensuing. So, you know, a lot of people try to conceptualize,
01:53:01.100well, no, he couldn't be with Yarth. He would have to be with Frigga, but they're trying to
01:53:07.520create marriage lines or uh you know different things and they lose context of what's going on
01:53:15.080here uh as lord odin is dynamic and he is threefold one of his folds comes down and
01:53:22.920impregnates the earth and the earth then gives forth the the great being of fury that is
01:53:29.740lord thor so um i just uh you know wanted to contextualize that they're they're talking about
01:53:37.200him as the son of the earth but that kind of levies itself to be again the son of yard the son
01:53:44.060of the earth as a goddess or and as a being that is a domin the dominion of the body of emir um
01:53:55.740and that puts a lot of uh people in a tizzy um i don't know why but it's like again i think that
01:54:02.440When it comes to tangible bodies, whether we're talking about the earth or the moon or the sun, it's very clear for us to say, or even just let's just say people that we know, like, oh, that's Mother Nature.
01:54:14.860Don't mess with Mother Nature. But the manifestation of the elements or the earth, our ancestors saw as much like an inhabited thing, like a house or the dominion of the earth is being formulated by Yarth.
01:54:34.680And so therefore he is of the earth through her and of the ground itself, kind of both the spiritual and the tangible, if you will.
01:54:46.420Um, so in, in, uh, stanza, uh, 57, uh, the sun turns black, the earth sinks in the sea,
01:55:05.280the hot stars down from heaven, our world fierce grows the steam and the life feeding flame.
01:55:16.420till fire leaps high about heaven itself even the sky is on fire
01:55:23.280the um the one thing here i wanted to see is in relation to a specific word but we're talking
01:55:35.880about now that the the heavens are engulfed in flames as well in lieu of the earth because
01:55:42.280remember when we're talking about the heavenly world the center and the above and so if the earth
01:55:49.360and the world is on fire the the now the flames are reaching the place of the aloftness uh even
01:55:57.700the tree is being singed by the flames now and that's a you know that's a huge you know huge
01:56:05.000point as we're seeing movement again in reference to flames. Let me see here.
01:56:17.000I was wondering too, if you wanted to take a couple of questions.
01:56:21.880ah yes um the turning turning black so instead um yeah the the kind of dimming
01:56:33.200to turn into darkness the sun turns into the darkness um
01:56:38.480and the you know the the great power of the earth uh sinks into the waves
01:56:58.740and old flames are you know lick the edges of heaven as it is it is uh uh set ablaze
01:57:08.560um 58 then does commit and he adds this he correlates it even though he didn't before
01:57:16.080uh uh garm cries out again from from nipahel um the fetters will burst the wolf will run free
01:57:28.920much do i know and more i can see of the fate of the gods and the mighty in fight
01:57:33.540So this, again, is one of those repetition lines that re-emphasizes and re-contextualizes who's speaking.
01:57:41.040The Vala is speaking. A lot is going on here.
01:57:44.500So there's so much being kind of projected forth that the poet utilizes this as like an anchor point.
01:57:52.100So as the poet could read through the stanzas from memory in his head, he would then come back to this point.
01:58:00.140and then like okay after this verse there is this stuff that i need to finish on and perhaps this
01:58:07.820verse is kind of like a hearkening of the finish it is the final gate in which we move through
01:58:14.100in order to kind of close out the poem um and this is again it becomes uh very very quick
01:58:26.180now i do see the earth a new rise all green from the waves again uh he writes the cataracts fall
01:58:34.940and the and the eagle flies i think this is uh again the overhead all that which is blocking
01:58:43.820light and blocking the wind is kind of falls and he uses the the cataracts which i thought was
01:58:50.340truly interesting um and and fish he catches between or beneath the cliffs
01:58:59.000the eagle catches the fish so everything comes back into order the natural kind of inclination
01:59:15.200So she really jumps into kind of the destruction of all things to the immediacy of it being kind of reordered again and that things are kind of brought.
01:59:27.340I've always kind of taken this as perhaps after the great turning of this sundering, this breaking apart, that the order of the eagle catching the fish is, again, the telling of a great amount of time in which things have to work themselves back to the semblance of what we could understand as being normal.
01:59:51.700um the the gods in in uh and in um either valley in eitherville the gods and either of all meet
02:00:04.100together again either of all is the plane of work it's the uh place in which ausgard is built
02:00:10.120either of all is seen as kind of like the great spance it's a valley if you will um and so again
02:00:17.680referencing to the gods being in a valley in heaven either of all is that place of potential
02:00:23.040where ausgard was built i love you and uh they meet together and they speak of the of the uh
02:00:37.360the holder of the soil the holder of the earth or mold is is dirt soil um
02:00:45.120earth or ground. And so here they speak again of Jormungandr and the age before when things
02:00:58.980were settled and the mighty past they call to mind and the ancient runes of the ruler
02:01:08.640of the gods. Of course, this Fimbletir, they're referring to Lord Odin and his attainment of the
02:01:15.400runes. So in stanza 60, the gods in Ithaval meet back together. And again, it's not referencing
02:01:23.060to the sons of the gods, but I think it's understood that there are some who survive and
02:01:28.680those who do not, and that they are anew in a different way. And now the new hierarchy
02:01:35.700he is is attained the you know generally we speak of the rise of balder unified again whole um with
02:01:45.880nana and that or that if you will it's like a balder and hob become one as the true form of
02:01:53.100balder and um you know he takes his stead along with all of the other gods again multiplicity
02:02:02.900And they speak of Lord Odin and his, the one who knew the way of the runes, who attained them through sacrifice.
02:03:18.440And now things are turning and that new dawn is to arise again.
02:03:23.640In wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden table stand mid the grass, which the gods had owned in days of old.
02:03:31.200So the remnants of the heavenly order, the remnants of all that which they built, the organization of the world, lays in ruin and they are being picked up by the new descendants of the gods.
02:03:45.580then fields unsewed bear ripened fruit all ills grow better and balder return the balder comes
02:03:54.940back there balder and hoth dwell in hrupt's battle hall in their father's hall they stand
02:04:04.200and the mighty gods all of them would you yet would you know more you know would you uh would
02:04:13.260you know yet more um here is an interesting part too i think that um one of the the points that i
02:04:24.780bring up about uh lord odin as being the the three if you will the three is one and the one is three
02:04:32.860is in here in reference to honor um and his taking of the of the prophetic wand um is the idea that
02:04:41.820Lord Odin is three, but one. And if one is, one is taken down, he is not let go. He is not
02:04:54.580destroyed in whole. Um, and so again, or, uh, uh, Vili, if you will, takes up the prophetic
02:05:05.480like wands, the understanding of the runes, if you will, the tines.
02:05:16.620And the sons of the brothers of Tveki abide in Vindheim now.
02:05:28.040So this is truly, I believe, like this is a really, really interesting translation.
02:05:40.300When we talk about Twiggy, I think they're referencing to Odin, and I've brought this up numerous times about him being the trifold.
02:05:49.500But if he is slain in Ragnarok as one, there are two that still remain in the idea.
02:05:57.660but it's not two separate. It is still Odin. Odin still remains, but now is two. So he's the twined
02:06:06.360one, the twisting one, the one that is, you know, bound together in twos. So I've always kind of
02:06:13.140taken these translations as why I, at Odin's Hoff, when I spoke, I said Odin is three but one and one
02:06:21.300but three, is again kind of in correlation to these stanzas and the idea that the dynamicism
02:06:27.440of lord odin is that he is a tripartite and that tripartite is stilled after ragnarok because one
02:06:36.080of the three is kind of destroyed but he is still here he is still uh you know takes place within
02:06:44.720Vili, and as Vey, or in this, you know, Tveki, the twice-bound now instead of the tri-bound.
02:07:01.760Then, more fair than the sun, a hall I see roost in gold, it is Gimli. And a lot of people have
02:07:09.080always i i don't know where this came about the idea of gimli it stands there shall the righteous
02:07:15.240rulers dwell and happiness ever there shall they have and um somewhere along the way someone was
02:07:21.080trying to say like gimli is the heaven of the gods if they were it's like the place above
02:07:26.920oscar or they try to create like another level i don't think that's the case i think this is
02:07:31.560They're speaking of now the golden hall, the joyous hall of Gimli is the the new hall in which the gods commit their their enacting of order again.
02:07:49.340And there comes up my all power to hold a mighty lord and all lands he rules.
02:07:58.080And so this is an interesting one too, because this might very well be, again, perhaps an interpolation, but it says, you know,
02:08:14.820thou kemer in riki that then comes in the kingdom at uh reyendomi the regent domini or the you know
02:08:25.360again it's it's uh these words exist in united through arian languages is that this is the you
02:08:31.900know in the kingdom um this this mighty uh world leader is to rule over and you can take this in a
02:08:42.240lot of different ways. Some people have said, you know, this is the Christianization part.
02:08:45.520It's not what he's talking about, you know, Jesus. And he has mentioned in other poetic
02:08:52.780forms, a kind of correlation that may, I mean, that were far more clear, but he might not.
02:09:02.180He could also be speaking of perhaps a worldly leader or an avatar of the gods that takes over
02:09:08.860the dominion of the earth or takes a dominion of the folk or takes a dominion of of the the lands
02:09:15.700um this could also have a historical reference and the idea that perhaps it was placed out that
02:09:21.780like the king of norway or uh it was harold the fair hair kind of took over the dominion of norway
02:09:28.080and so the idea of this trope of a of a of a uniting king is still there even outside of a
02:09:35.760christian context so it doesn't always have to be that he's just throwing in this uh he's referring
02:09:42.040to jesus he's he's christianizing it because again i think that facilitates that excuse elsewhere i
02:09:47.740think what it's more important to say is that the the idea of a unifying leader comes forth and this
02:09:55.540could be the leader of the gods or it could be the leader of the folk it's kind of left you know open
02:10:01.640um and it says uh from below the dragon dark comes forth nithog still exists nithog the soul
02:10:13.720of emir still rides because again he is he is not mentioned as being slain in all of ragnarok
02:10:22.680um and from below you know he he comes forth flying from neither field from from the under
02:10:30.840world or from from the land and the the shadow beneath uh the the bodies of men upon his or the
02:10:39.060corpses he he bears upon his wings the serpent bright uh bright but now must sink so again i
02:10:45.880think this is a another iteration and another reason why I often refer to Nidhogg as the soul
02:10:53.820of Ymir is that he rises in the in the as his soul was released in the beginning then too he
02:11:03.420rises up during the upsurgence and must sink down again as he is part of that gravitas the the soul
02:11:10.260of Ymir and Nidhogg is as corresponded in polarity to the brightness and the soul power of Yggdrasil
02:11:17.900and of Bor and Besla and their creation of heaven. These polarics have to exist. It's continuously
02:11:29.660in our mythos cycle. And so they have to state it in a way to kind of, again, bring it. And I think
02:12:19.540I think it's far too easy for us to take anything that's confusing in the lore
02:12:27.340and immediately, oh, well, Snorri's trying to Christianize it.
02:12:31.560I think that's an easy answer for anything that we don't understand, and I think that's intellectually lazy, and I don't think it's doing our job to try to understand our lore, understand our faith, and build a better understanding of our God for us and the wisdom of our ancestors.
02:12:58.460um there's nothing in there it talks about jesus um i and as fawn said i don't think we have
02:13:09.280perfect clues on exactly what that reference at the very end is um
02:13:15.820but the idea of unifying are just constantly bickering people that have such hard times
02:13:26.320get along with each other unifying them under a mighty lord that controls things and that's in
02:13:34.620charge of stuff is a really nice idea it can mean a lot of different things and to struggle to
02:13:41.620come to a more perfect understanding of what that might be i think is interesting and inspirational
02:13:48.640and shouldn't just be a, oh, that's just Jesus stuff.
02:13:53.920Like a quick go-to, and I think that's lazy and unfair.
02:14:02.240I think one of the things that I'm very,
02:14:11.600is some of this imagery in the Veloce Vau,
02:14:15.220How the cycle of our divinity starts and ends in this tale with the bookends of structuring order and restructuring order.
02:14:43.500The bookends of, you know, in wondrous beauty, once again, shall the golden table stand with the grass, which the gods had owned in the days of old.
02:14:54.600This reestablishment of the natural order of our gods and divinity within the cosmos after that wolf age and that time of destruction.
02:21:08.760I've been a big proponent at the Hoff and in certain times when, you know, just to kind
02:21:18.800of emphasize, you know, a reminder ourselves a lot with new people coming into the faith,
02:21:27.900we'll have a bloat to Lord Frey and they will still hail Odin because of a couple of reasons.
02:21:35.060One, they might be nervous to step outside of their comfort zone. The other is, is that
02:21:40.420they're still kind of coming from a singular, non-polytheistic view. Perhaps it's a safety
02:21:48.000net. There's a lot of that, but you'll hear a lot where it's like, we're, we're honoring,
02:21:51.680you know, uh, Lord Ullr and, and Sif during the turning of the year and the time of winter
02:21:57.900finding and the broaching of the wild hunt and all of this stuff is going on. And there's
02:22:02.300one person who says like, and I don't think that's wrong at all, but it's like, I, it makes
02:22:09.340me want to again get out more about the gods as being multiplicity and i think that i so when
02:22:19.760you're talking to me about personal stuff i i can speak pretty freely because i try to keep it open
02:22:26.080and broad when we talk about the application of uh theological points towards our folk as a church
02:22:33.260but when we're talking about personal stuff absolutely i have a strict hierarchy of the gods
02:22:38.500I believe in the tripartite. I have the remaining gods underneath to equate to the 12. I have a lady, you know, Frigga and Freya and then the Ausenior and the Ausvenior and the heavenly wardens all within their structuring for me.
02:22:58.220and um you know i find that when we talk about the austin and we are let's back it up so first
02:23:07.440you were speaking of like ulur and for seti i do believe that they have absolute prominence and
02:23:13.300worth to give honor and praise just as much as thor and uh odin it's just that a lot of times
02:23:22.340we see the way they apply their dominion differently. The dominions of the, of the
02:23:27.900tripart, the tripartite is much bigger, or at least more broad sweeping, whereas perhaps the
02:23:34.000dominion of Forseti is very focused. Um, and so I find myself kind of like, as I move through my
02:23:41.740life, I see the gods and their dominion enacting in the world. And that's what, uh, propagates my,
02:23:51.360my prayer to them or my thanks to them i don't you know i i will speak to the gods as a broad
02:23:57.480uh quite often but when it comes to like really the my the minute individual gods it's kind of
02:24:05.820as i see them if i if a friend of mine is is um committing himself to a a time in which he has to
02:24:14.380face perhaps litigation you know i i think i pray i praise for seti because suddenly that part of my
02:24:23.180life is like shined on um uh if it comes about storytelling a little while back i did a couple
02:24:31.980of stories at sigerheim and later on i gave thanks and praise to lord bragi because i feel that
02:24:38.780storytelling and music and things in the arts of passing those on is his dominion, his power.
02:24:46.760And so a lot of that, the way that I personally interact with the guys is about the way I
02:24:52.040encounter their dominion. And I'm trying to be aware of their dominion in my life. And so I would
02:24:58.680beckon anyone to do that as well. And it's easy to see how the tripartite's powers are kind of
02:25:06.460always in our lives um but when we talk about the house in your two i view the way again this is my
02:25:13.580personal uh structuring of the hierarchy of the of of seeing frigga and freya and then when i pray
02:25:19.580to say air or to var or i i just recently um presided over a wedding and i i clearly um invoked
02:25:30.260the power of Vaur as the emissary of the ladies or the maidens, the goddesses of Fensaler.
02:25:38.360And so what I kind of do is when it comes to the goddesses, I view Frigga and Freyja as high
02:25:44.260kind of concentrated points of worship with almost like a, I don't want to say like saintly
02:25:54.200worship of the other Asinyur, but I see their dominion as being very, I can individually pull0.90
02:26:00.820it out or I can see it as the kind of the woven things of society, of our folk nation and of our1.00
02:26:08.560interactions together. You know, everything from Lady Snotra and her, what I call her governance
02:26:19.540over mores our cultural um interactions with each other and the way that we should act correctly
02:26:27.060nobly if you will and um but it's what that what makes us you know noble or um i light a candle to
02:26:34.700to the asana scene at the hof we light a candle at the threshold so there's little things and
02:26:41.380they're always there but the idea is um it's harder for people to wrap their heads around
02:27:17.640So, yeah, I definitely am a big believer in it. I speak of it often amongst the Gothars, like I view in my hierarchy that we have 42 gods and I am clear and concise about where they are.
02:27:33.820And then outside of that is what I would call perhaps the elevated, like Weyland or Volander or Skirner in relation to Lord Frey.
02:27:48.560But I see that hierarchy and it's very important for me.
02:27:52.880I don't think it's so much a necessity for others as it is to understand the multiplicity of the gods and their powers and dominions are working together.
02:28:03.160And so like giving praise unto a kingdom, you don't have to honor each individual thread or piece.
02:28:12.280You can give honor to the kingdom and hold true to the rulers of the kingdom.
02:28:16.320But I like to do that because I try to structure those things clearly.
02:28:23.500I've done that my whole life, but it really came into focus once I joined the AFA.
02:28:30.440And I understood the words of hierarchy and of order and of that understanding.
02:28:38.380And immediately my mind started to kind of place things.
02:28:41.540So like I even have, you know, drawn diagramic sense, not like a lot of times you see diagrams of the gods as like son of and in relation to.
02:28:51.760No, the hierarchies of heaven, as I call it, with the tripartite at the top and the Aesir gods, all to make 12, and then the Aosinir, and then the Aosinir, who are also there.
02:29:06.680I think, more or less, I don't honor the Aosinir very often.0.96
02:29:13.300That would be an honest statement.0.76
02:29:15.280Like when I honor Lord Frey, I do hail GerĂ°r, but I don't pray to her often.
02:31:38.140there's there's been a certain fetishism not just in house of true but in
02:31:45.580spiritual circles for a very long time to waller in
02:31:57.900waller in ignorance and claim a false piety because you know so little like oh well all i
02:32:06.780know is that i don't know enough huh and you know this perpetual searching and never finding
02:32:14.700thing has become very popular it's a popular refrain in the kind of pop spirituality to
02:32:22.700not have any answers to questions just to have limitless questions and
02:32:30.060i think that's showing off from your for your friends i think it's lazy and in a way i think
02:32:35.900it's masturbatory um one of the key components of our faith is will and determination and
02:32:49.020you know well who's to decide well in so in many ways each of us is to decide0.93
02:32:56.460because we have a certain amount of sovereignty over our own souls and what we're going to do
02:33:02.620in a larger sense well who's to say well for one we have an established uh priest class of gothar
02:33:12.940who have devoted their lives to this and studied it so who's to say dare to say um ultimately
02:33:21.980when i became also here you go through the astro folk assembly well you know i don't know who's to
02:33:27.340say, I guess we'll never know. No, I owe you better than that. I owe our gods better than that.
02:33:34.420Who's to say? In the AFA, I'm to say. And that's a really important responsibility. It's not
02:33:43.860because any of the people that I've mentioned are perfect or infallible on it.
02:33:48.840but myself and the gothar have spent our life devoted to this and devoted to our gods in a
02:33:57.540perpetual quest to be our best selves and to draw closer and closer to a perfect understanding of
02:34:03.660them and to share that that we learn with our folk and with our church so that we can all
02:34:14.060benefit from the lessons that are learned by our gothar by our ancestors by those who've come
02:34:22.540before us and laid the foundations for us to true and what we practice so that's a long way to say
02:34:28.560this well which god should we worship there's you know and you can make extensive lists and we could0.91
02:34:34.840all come up with different ones so boom we decided all right the gilfagening list them it lists them
02:34:43.180in a way that they're specifically referred to as which gods are, you know, good for men to worship,0.96
02:34:50.280these ones are, go. And that's what we decided is our point of starting.
02:34:55.940Are there more that you can also include in your practice? Certainly.
02:35:02.700It's very clear on the gods that are mentioned in that list. In that list, there's numerated at 12.
02:35:13.180And there's a following list about the Alcenior that is, I believe it's 14 strong in that following list. Now, 12 of those are what we would call, are commonly called, you know, Frigg's handmaidens.
02:35:31.840um there are hierarchy amongst people i believe there's a hierarchy amongst the gods too
02:35:38.560and i certainly don't want to get that wrong and i apologize if i
02:35:42.280diminish the respect that any of our goddesses are deserving but the way it's laid out appears
02:35:50.720very much that many of those that you mentioned are um are loyal uh servants of frig and messengers
02:36:06.880of her um goddesses perhaps demi goddesses if you will that she can send out as her
02:36:16.640representative in different ways that have um authority over a variety of things now to the
02:36:25.120original question certainly you can you can try to build a relationship with any of those
02:36:31.120with any of the al-senior with any of the icer and we're actively so many of us already do that
02:36:38.320in our own personal lives in many different ways i've seen things on the side growing up in alaska
02:36:43.120we would always honor uler during hunting season we carry over that practice in the afa by honoring
02:36:49.200him at winter finding um we seek to do that i know a lot of people especially ladies have
02:37:00.240different relationships they build with the different um handmaidens of of lady frig for
02:37:08.240a variety of reasons there's a lot of worship that goes on around air because she is known as
02:37:15.120the greatest of healers and we have a lot of people that go through illness either themselves
02:37:19.840or in their family that have devoted a lot to worshiping her and to interacting and building
02:37:26.240a relationship and getting building goodwill with her one of the big steps that we seek to do about
02:37:33.360this is with our hafs specifically with the isir all 12 of those gods listed will have their own
02:37:44.480off and we're committed to making that happen as we build a temple for each of these gods
02:37:51.840we very much look forward to building a closer and better relationship with them
02:37:57.600and winning good favor from them and learning more about them so that by our children's time
02:38:06.400and our grandchildren's time they will have a much better relationship and better knowledge
02:38:12.480of these gods of our folk and i think it's a big it's a grand gesture that approaches you know
02:38:22.160worthy gift to these gods to establish a temple for them perhaps the first temple they've had ever
02:38:29.360certainly the first temple to many of them that we've ever known of i you know specifically look
02:38:35.120forward to a valley's hof and a vidar's hof to celebrate these mighty gods that have a very brief
02:38:46.400remembrance in our lore but a very important one so we look forward to doing that and as you
02:38:54.700mentioned earlier you know there's already quite a bit of a cult for bragi um for for seti for ular
02:39:02.840for a number of our gods that again aren't the the big super well-known ones so we're working on
02:39:13.000we're working on that but yes to answer your question we absolutely do our priests do our
02:39:20.040afa family does and has been for quite a while we seek to do that better in the future
02:39:33.560is a question from nick and it looks like it's directed at you swan i've always known nerfus
02:39:46.680as yord as you said swan but ancient teutonic priesthood seems to be relating nerfus that
02:39:53.480nerfus is uh nyorder and he quotes again the cult has features in common with that of nerfus
02:40:01.480attributed by tacitus in germania 40 to certain tribes of the southwest shore of the baltic the
02:40:09.320word nerthus is identical with uh nyorder the name of fro's father while
02:40:16.920while FRL itself seems to be an abbreviation for Ying V. Freyer or Ingunar Freyer from
02:40:29.960page 297. So this has come up a lot, the linguistic confusion due to the similarities
02:40:39.740of of nerthus and your there's name what do you have to add on that swan um one there's the
02:40:48.940linguistic separation and understanding that if those are nervous and they they talk about perhaps
02:40:55.500a uh conceptualize of a gender switch but that that nerf is somehow gender switched to nyorder
02:41:05.260and i think that they're correlating language to divinity and i don't think that that's
02:41:11.180necessarily correct because what we see on the other end of that is that it's you know it's
02:41:16.220stated that lord lord is um you know has a a bride and it is mentioned again as being like
02:41:25.900his sister bride and this again i think correlates to the vanic concept of divine twins and
02:41:35.260not necessarily being literal in in like a sense of um that though it is kind of poised against
02:41:41.180them in locust sana but that's i think that's an interesting poet and poem in and of itself
02:41:47.180or the story that that spurned that poem but um to speak of that we know that you know he
02:41:55.100it's mentioned that her name is naren um in the old norse that the and that's the only time it's
02:42:04.380ever mentioned that that his his bride and so what we don't have on the front end of that is
02:42:11.580tacitus talking about perhaps a male um like uh you know conjugate to it the kind of correlative
02:42:21.560parallel we he does talk about nervous but that's missing if there is a male kind of counterplay
02:42:28.300but we do see it on the other end in relation to the old norse and their version is that
02:42:33.820There is Njörðr, but the name is lost on his sharing of the other side, whether it's Njörðr, which, again, I don't know if that was placed in because of linguistics and the ability to kind of make the tempo and meter work.
02:42:51.320uh was it a another name but when we talk about the linguistics of nirthus to nyorder they both
02:42:59.600have the same correlations about being that that which is underneath and that doesn't necessarily
02:43:05.680dictate at point a to point b nirthus becomes nyorder and i think that's what the mistake is
02:43:12.460is he's correlating um the linguistics to mimic the divine and i think that when we look at other
02:43:22.320things we see there's clearly a twin culture of the vanic practices the idea of a masculine
02:43:29.260and feminine feminine part that were that were one and then then divided or separated
02:43:35.400or work in congruence with each other, and this seems to, you know, I think it's within fair
02:43:42.800faith to apply that in relation to Njörð and Nyrthus. The linguistic connections of their names
02:43:52.320are quite, you know, poignant, and we don't cram, and I certainly don't believe in the whole gender
02:43:58.160swapping thing i think that might be an attempt again to play a narrative um i find it really
02:44:06.160interesting because one thing that might a lot of people don't consider when they talk about danube
02:44:10.720and danu they often talk about the river being feminine but they don't have to talk about like
02:44:15.520the gothic people having their don wass or don vos is the masculine side so what if it's it was
02:44:25.680an understanding that perhaps we don't see very much of is that there was a corresponding masculine
02:44:31.360to the feminine that danu and don vas or don wass were seen as those correlative and that nerthus
02:44:40.640had a correlative of the linguistic of the time but was never mentioned and then by the time of
02:44:46.320the old norse norther is focused on but they're the the naming or at least the placement of
02:44:53.040Nerthus is lost because of norun as its usage in the poem and yorth, the earth. Again, that
02:45:02.480linguistic of nyorthur and yorthur, that which is beneath the earth and that which is the earth.
02:45:09.040So those correlations of language, at a certain point, you can either say, I don't know,
02:45:16.240or i i see this as the clearest path and that choice you have to make and again we've we've
02:45:22.560emphasized it enough too is like we're not going to honor and you're there and say oh that was
02:45:29.200nervous in the past because you know uh linguistics or or however it might be stated instead we will
02:45:35.920honor neither and we will honor nervous but the question is is nervous linguistically connected
02:45:43.680to Yarth, the earth. I believe so. So we're not hypostasing Yarth to Nerthus. Tacitus clearly
02:45:53.180mentions that Nerthus is goddess of the earth. And Yarth in relation to Snorty, Snorty calls Yarth
02:46:03.060a Jotun. I think that's the biggest point of perhaps debate is how Snorty kind of organized
02:46:10.960things or or really didn't organize he just kind of he set some of the the the things hard which
02:46:19.780we utilize very much so but when it comes to like jotuns or uh people that align like or not people
02:46:26.780in the stories the beings that align themselves with the gods um as we've mentioned those several
02:46:34.200times. There's the dual, there's the confusion between types of Yotnar. In the Eddas, there's,
02:46:47.360you know, ancient beings of primal wisdom that go back into the mists of pre-creation
02:46:58.840history and then you have the forces that stand in opposition to the gods and folk and so there
02:47:11.320there is some of this this overlap and some of these you know benevolent forces that start
02:47:20.040outside the realm or outside the identification with the isir that come under that through marriage
02:47:32.600um and so so we do see that interweaving of primordial power with cosmic order and we see
02:47:43.000it a lot very specifically in the in the relationship between
02:47:58.120Nerfus's children or between um Yord's son you see the earth and sky meeting to create Thor
02:48:13.000um so very much and i mean it's it's always been poignant imagery to me that
02:48:23.240lightning is literally that it's the connection of energy from the sky and the earth and the
02:48:30.920point where they meet is the clap of thunder and and the bolt of light um
02:48:37.000Um, so when going through one of the other problems is that, um, Tacitus was a pagan.
02:49:01.700he was a polytheist in an Aryan tradition but at the time the two groups of people seemed
02:49:11.540worlds apart and he didn't a lot of what he wrote on was very cursory understanding of what these
02:49:22.780strange tribesmen north of his frontiers of the strange faith they practiced in the dark
02:49:31.540forests outside of stuff he knew about but chadwick in 1900 writing the ancient teutonic
02:49:38.340priesthood he wasn't writing as a man trying to re-establish the ancient teutonic priesthood
02:49:47.620or as in alsatruar he was writing as a scholar about what these ancient barbarians used to do
02:49:55.540So his stuff is all about linguistics and, you know, matching points of archaeology as opposed to trying to apply divine wisdom to two things and trying to understand the relationship of a people with their gods.
02:50:16.220It's a very different kind of study. And again, as I mentioned before, it comes at religion from two very different angles.
02:50:25.540And the linguistic arguments are really interesting. And again, it's one of the reasons I have Sfano here as often as I do. One of his big things that he focuses on is etymology and linguistics and words and what they add to things.
02:50:41.240because they do, but it's what they add to the faith
02:50:44.820and what they add to the understanding.
02:52:55.420on the current understanding is based on previous understandings all the way back to the beginning
02:53:01.660of our folk because again our gods are real and our gods are eternal um
02:53:09.900so a fair moving of that and again if we are going to celebrate linguistics so much
02:53:16.460much, it stands to reason very much that Yordh and Nerthus are one and the same. That fits the
02:53:28.020stories and lore and the understanding of our folk. And it's also something that over time
02:53:33.260through building relationships with our gods, that we have come to have certainty in and to
02:53:40.160feel very certain about, just like we've come to have a very clear certainty that there's a
02:53:46.840distinction between Nerthus and Yordher, and that one is very clearly a masculine deity and one is
02:53:54.560very clearly a feminine power. All of those things we can rest very solid in the knowledge of
02:54:03.840because the last 30 years of practice have shown those things to be true.
02:54:16.080And it's hard to express that in a way that makes the clearest sense to people
02:54:20.580that may be casually tuning into the broadcast.
02:54:23.540But we have had people making offerings and engaging in the gift cycle
02:54:31.460with Nerthus since the dawn of modern Ausatru or very close thereabout we've had folks making
02:54:41.040offerings and engaging in the gift cycle with Lord Nyorthar since the very dawn of modern Ausatru
02:54:46.880as well those relationships have proven beneficial and well received and those who've engaged in them
02:54:55.040have been blessed by that relationship over this time and that's given us the the understanding
02:55:01.760of where we're at chadwick didn't seek to have relationships with our gods or to engage in the
02:55:09.680gift cycle to further his understanding his whole argument is pinned solely upon
02:55:15.200the word choices of a very admittedly imperfectly understood linguistic pattern
02:55:26.560of one ancient germanic people as is translated into latin
02:55:30.680so i think that i don't think that's a lot to go on even in the in the text he didn't put a lot of
02:55:41.400like insistence upon it it was just a scholastic theory of the year 1900 removed from an active
02:55:50.840worship of our gods and our different take on that comes from decades of engaging in worship
02:56:01.320of these gods so like it adds a really important credence to that um and that's
02:56:08.840That's another point I wanted to make on some things that I've noticed is a common misunderstanding amongst the outside world when they look in at the Aus-True Folk Assembly.
02:56:26.500Um, one thing that we've been accused of by the naysayers for forever is that the AFA is not a, not a real religion. It's not a real church. We're just, you know, insert whatever negative word you want to use about white people who happen to be proud of themselves.
02:56:48.900We're just a, you know, a white nationalist organization that hides behind, you know, a religious designation or whatever.
02:56:57.040And most of these people say that without actually knowing anything about us or interacting with us.
02:57:02.020But one of the things is when the enemy repeats a falsehood enough times with enough consistency, it weasels and worms its way into people's heads.
02:57:15.420it's worth always restating especially for people who are not currently members of the afa
02:57:22.820that's not what it's about that is a point of commonality amongst our membership
02:57:30.420being white is certainly a prerequisite to participating in our ethnic faith which
02:57:39.040is but no we're a church about the iser and about a real relationship with real gods that we believe0.93
02:57:49.280wholeheartedly in and define ourselves by our loyalty too from there we build a pro-white
02:57:59.360pro-traditional community based on those values but our community and what we're building and
02:58:05.120doing is based on our faith and our ethnic relationship with our gods that is the core
02:58:13.200that we're built around and we very much are a practicing faith in a practicing church and it
02:58:18.480defines all we do it's very different than the assumption that our foe makes that well
02:58:26.980we need a religion so let's make one up that sounds coolest that matches our whatever political
02:58:33.880ideology. No, that's not what we're doing. Political ideology ought to flow from your
02:58:41.900core values that flow from your relationship with your gods and your intrinsic understanding
02:58:47.600of right and wrong given to you by our gods. And it's really important to reinforce that
02:58:54.580and go back to that many times. I've seen those conversations on Twitter. I'll do a
02:58:58.800search where uh you just search for you know also true folk assembly and see what comes up and a lot
02:59:04.280of the chatter by people who aren't members of the afa is this common
02:59:11.140like wish list of them creating a religion like it was some kind of video game and they're picking
02:59:18.780and choosing things that they want to add to their made-up religion thing
02:59:23.000and i think that's because we come from a generation where atheism is so very prominent
02:59:30.860and to where the generation is defined by a sarcasm and a cynicism
02:59:39.840that needs to be left at the door when you're trying to understand the absolute folk assembly
03:00:51.100yes uh in a in a way this is from um when i i was even mentioning that during the last gothar call
03:01:01.180um with about nahelania as well um i did a a class a couple of um or back at uh winter nights when we
03:01:12.460were uh at ohio i did a dsr class and i brought uh her up uh along with nihilania and of course
03:01:22.140dsr worship or the matrone worship um and she seems to be there's two theories is that one she
03:01:31.580is a localized goddess of um you know a central europe uh that she is somehow connected to the
03:01:40.060matrone cult or like nehelenia or sorry like nehelenia she's seen as a like a local goddess
03:01:47.260someone also tried to correlate her to um there is a greek equivalent by name and that they they
03:01:57.660they were trying to say that uh alvany is a germano-celtic uh variant of the uh i think she's
03:02:07.660a muse i'm not 100 sure on that one in the greek uh i think her name is uh it's either veronius or
03:02:17.580or uranus uh and kind of like like in um reference to um uranus and and uh but as in a feminine form
03:02:27.740and i'm not super familiar with with her on that um but that they were saying that linguistically
03:02:33.260that might be, and that she somehow may have influenced Germano-Celtic people through the
03:02:40.640Matrone worship. And I brought that up. I think, I'm not 100% sure if she is, again, a localized
03:02:49.200goddess. I think her veneration is widespread enough that she could be very easily considered
03:02:56.120that, like Nahelania. And we see the motif of the Matrone of the three and the Deesir. And we know
03:03:02.960that the Matroni worship is very kind of similar to the Germanic Edith's worship. So is she
03:03:11.760an Edith's? Is she a goddess? That would be the best question to ask. And my answer to that would
03:03:19.540be, I don't know. I would consider it to be, she would be an elevated goddess, especially of a
03:03:25.680local power. Um, and that, and then that to me would be in my hierarchy, um, outside of the
03:03:33.960Oustvenir, but elevated much like again, Volander or Weyland, Skirner, Hermod. Um, I believe Hermod
03:03:43.860of course is, um, an elevated, uh, descendant of Lord Odin that is now living amongst the gods.
03:03:52.900And that's how I kind of view that. That hierarchy is what we see from the front end as we observe, not on the back end, like through etymology saying like North is nervous.
03:04:05.540this, or I look at it as like, if we talk about the, the gods, we, you know, we see, I see the
03:04:14.360tripartite and the other nine gods, I see, uh, Frigga and Freya, and I see then the other, um,
03:04:23.280uh 11 and then i see the 10 um aust veneer again with and and snorty doesn't always give us clean
03:04:36.580explanation where is the origin of of lady even where is the origin of lady sif but we do have
03:04:44.880the origin of of skadi and we know that again the ideas that i call them the beloved ones
03:04:50.900because of their alignment to the gods.
03:04:53.440A lot of people don't even recognize or remember
03:04:56.860or think about the violent and kind of, you know,
03:05:03.780correlation between the motherhood of, say, like, Rinder
03:05:12.260I would consider them to be Austveneer.
03:05:15.720And so in the correlation of them, the 10 Austveneer,
03:05:18.800I also include Yarth, as she is not quite stated in the Gilfaginning, and she's actually referred to as a Jotun, but is clearly the mother of Thor, so therefore she aligns herself with the gods and with the side of order, so I consider her a beloved one.
03:05:38.960But again, that's just me classifying in hierarchy a clean way of understanding the gods and their relations with each other.
03:05:48.800All right. And as has become kind of a frequently occurring lately question, we have one about a phrase here.
03:06:10.860Before it's time to go, what is our vision of an exorcism? I only know how it's done in Christianity.
03:06:18.800We talked about this, I don't know if it was last week or the week before, but there's not a clear-cut example of that in our faith.
03:06:32.840Now, one of the things that I was talking to, I was actually talking to one of our Gotar about the other day, was this sort of a concept.
03:06:45.680There are malevolent entities in the world that exist.
03:06:48.800those aren't just conf there are certain things in this world that we all interact with as shared
03:06:57.680humanity as shared earth fauna like there may be a spiritual significance to a certain range of
03:07:05.400mountains that might be relevant to each kind of people on each different side of the mountain that
03:07:11.320could be completely separate and have their own gods and their own cultures but the mountains still
03:07:16.280exist um there's certain things that just are that we come in contact with we have a different
03:07:22.840frame of reference depending on our faith but there's malevolent entities in the world
03:07:31.720that seek to perpetuate chaos and thrive on negativity on fear and on bad things
03:07:41.000they are conceived of in a very specific way in christianity where they're you know forces of the
03:07:50.620devil trying to pull a soul from their god and there's this tug of war going on with them that
03:07:56.340they're part of and there's this whole narrative that they fit into we don't have that so much we
03:08:03.580encounter negative spirits i think some of this is the heroic nature of our faith we are not pawns
03:08:10.860in some kind of game between the the gods and cert and loki or something
03:08:19.740we individually have hymenia and magical might within ourselves and we are allied with
03:08:28.380and on the team of the icer but i don't think that we're waiting vessels in the same way that
03:08:36.620other faiths conceive of their practitioners as um so we we will we encounter
03:08:47.100those kind of malevolent things at a distance and not so much internally as if they take possession
03:08:52.940of us but some of the things that are more similar to a state of possession are things
03:09:01.260like nightmares or things like literal night hags and witches at night that you know oppress
03:09:08.460and control a person for a time in that liminal space between wake and sleep we have times where
03:09:17.340you know we just read um you know the the prophecy of the the seeress if you are there's very few
03:09:26.940people but if you are trying to practice a an oracular form of divination where you are
03:09:34.700opening yourself and serving as a uh as a conduit or as a medium for spiritual forces to work
03:09:44.240through then you also provide a medium that negative forces could work through as well
03:09:50.320And so I think that some things open the door to that. I think that leaving your body vacant in the act of projecting yourself in a meditative state or other things perhaps puts you in that kind of a position as well to a degree.
03:10:10.160But these are really specialized things that come into play with people who are dabbling in a high level of magical practice.
03:10:23.760For the average person, I don't think that occurs in our faith.
03:20:16.360Zamo, you have a question over on the side kind of about, is this something that you
03:20:22.520can do on your own? Do you need somebody with greater spiritual authority to do these things?
03:20:29.220If you on the side will reach out to Nick or myself or Svaan, we'd be happy to get you in
03:20:37.640touch with a go-fi that's maybe close to you that could help you with this. I don't think it's a
03:20:43.340prerequisite. I think you could do a lot of it yourself, and I encourage you to try that.
03:20:48.220But if that isn't working for you and you'd like the help of a Gauthier or a Githio, we'd like to help you get in touch with one that can maybe help you in your particular circumstance.
03:21:03.260I just wanted to make sure I put that out there beforehand.0.95
03:21:06.600Yeah, everything you're really leaning in on is so important because it is the difference between our faith and their faith.
03:21:15.620the ground in which you make fertile versus the attainment of your fortress as your body as a whole
03:21:25.780cannot be just kind of usurped upon. And that is huge because you're clearly showing the shining
03:21:34.200examples of the differences between. I didn't also mention that I think on the Catholic side
03:21:40.540of that whole story is that it's very much a tool in order to propagate the power of their church
03:21:47.020again um i talked about the warrens and their usage of demonology um or i guess shodim ism
03:21:55.800um in order to kind of propagate the church and their priesthood um it would be very akin to us
03:22:03.880like saying um you know we're going to tell you this scary story about one of our members of our
03:22:10.080of our church in Ausatru having, uh, an, an act with a, with an, a knocked Mara. And then one
03:22:16.140of the Gothar came in and like took care of it. And we're like highly publicizing that it starts
03:22:23.420to create, um, uh, yeah, it creates that paradigm. It creates that usage. Uh, I would say too,
03:22:31.600that um i saw zemo you're uh you're um said about the shadow uh the word shadow is an anglo-saxon
03:22:40.320word um so there is no like linguistic connection between uh shad shadva or shadve or shadway
03:22:50.560and anglo-saxon to shadim it's just that that those words didn't translate well so that when
03:22:56.000when the Israelites or the Jews that were coming over into Greece had
03:23:00.740problems like correlating certain things, like for instance,
03:23:05.300they, they use the word Christos instead of Messiah, they used, you know,
03:23:10.480Angelos instead of Malak, they use Shedim instead of,
03:23:14.860or they used a demon instead of Shedim and so on and so forth.
03:23:20.280But just wanted to, to, to bring that up.
03:23:23.800And I see Virilmrage answered my question.
03:23:26.000Yeah, the old Dybbuk boxes that were going around on YouTube as these, you know, interesting little bits of like Judaic, like mythos going out on YouTube.
03:23:38.840And of course, they bring a rabbi in and he explains everything.