00:11:53.740So, Fawn, what do people, so we did a whole show a little while, not too long ago, about the authors slash compilers of our lore, specifically the Eddas.
00:12:39.920um the scope of understanding like kind of what you just started uh laying out those foundations
00:12:46.440are also it's a mysterious book in the sense that even after its compilation it wasn't fully
00:12:56.920uh brought about or discovered until a few hundred years after snorri so it it started to
00:13:05.560catch up popularity and um caught people's attention far later just again the the fact
00:13:15.400that it kind of mysteriously showed up and began um catching attention i think is interesting that
00:13:24.520a lot of people don't think about um but we got to look at the times upon which it was transcribed
00:13:32.520and it's also worth remembering that simon did he translated it from story uh to latin and then
00:13:44.440they're there because they were still trying to decide uh exactly how the old norse language in
00:13:51.320with latin letters was going to be utilized and so he takes it in to latin and that version is lost
00:14:02.520And then it is compiled into Old Norse using Latin letters.
00:14:07.320And then it's almost not seen by anyone till much, much later it shows up and starts kind of creating a historical and cultural tug of war between Norway and Iceland.
00:14:25.700So there's a lot of that that I think a lot of people don't talk about or understand.
00:14:31.740But at the time that it was compiled through those various times led by one school teacher or headmaster, and he's got people in the school working at it in different groups or different stations trying to get things together.
00:14:53.460There is a need at that time to euhemorize the gods, and euhemorization comes from a Greek philosopher who spoke that the gods were actually mortals that tricked people, that they convinced people that they were divine.
00:15:19.460divine and that explains why uh they're you know seen as gods but they're not it's basically
00:15:28.340delegitimization so in this intro the euhemorization of the gods is brought down to
00:15:37.460one that i think causes a lot of um confusion in folks or people people are very interested in it
00:15:44.580is that he connects the gods to troy and why he does that first off the the the trojan war
00:15:55.300is highly contestable that or not the trojan war but troy itself but the trojan war again this is
00:16:03.540it's so mythological in its origins, it's not historical. And so he leans into that and starts
00:16:19.520the theory that the gods are actually mortals from Troy who come up to the Northlands after
00:16:25.960troy falls and they trick um the norse into believing that they are gods even though none of
00:16:34.660the there are some loose connections he tries to make linguistically um to some of the gods and
00:16:41.720of the trojans but most of them are not there and don't exist um so it's very very spotty but what
00:16:49.480he's doing is he knows a volume of stories from pre-Christian times would cause a lot
00:17:00.700of, uh, ruckus amongst the church. So the best way to, uh, ensure that that's, uh, safe
00:17:11.280that you won't get burned or, you know, you won't lose money or, or whatever it might
00:17:16.800be um funding from the church or funding from the government was to immediately roll out with hey
00:17:25.600uh you know we're going to tell all these stories about the gods but
00:17:30.000you know we all know they're just they're really escaped kings from troy
00:17:38.640while we have a sec um something that i think is really important0.99
00:17:46.800We have a tendency when dealing with any kind of history to assume that people that lived before us are idiots somehow.0.99
00:19:33.580icelandic norse art and story and skaldsmanship and it's something that is flows deeply in the
00:19:47.240veins of those people we see it to this day preserved in iceland they are very very interested
00:19:55.100in trying to preserve their history their art their storytelling their poetic meter those things
00:20:04.540are extremely important they have very rigorous rules on naming laws to keep those things intact
00:20:10.920and to preserve those things so it's important to note yeah his intro is for like modern people
00:20:17.960reading this book here's how you know our ancestors were confused because of course we know the truth
00:20:24.280of christ but here is what they believed because preserving the accurately as he knew them the
00:20:32.760tradition of the ancestors was important to him as a scholar to try to make that make it up to
00:20:40.040be something silly or whatever that wasn't the purpose of the story he's writing to teach what
00:20:47.320the ancestors thought his introduction is why they were confused but the body of work that he's
00:20:54.680presenting is an accurate this is what our confused ancestors believed was true just like a scholar
00:21:01.240today, you know, a Christian scholar wouldn't go try to rewrite Egyptian lore to trick you into
00:21:12.520something or to try to convert you. No, he'd be like, ah, this is what the silly Egyptians1.00
00:21:17.580used to think. The point is to record the history and the tradition accurately in the1.00
00:21:24.680guilt beginning. That's kind of the entire purpose. And it's mentioned in subtext and
00:21:29.480things throughout um the quote that i have i want to pull up here because i do think it's important
00:21:39.160as far as his advice to um because a lot of this is to teach and to inform
00:21:49.800the youth and the upcoming scalds on how to do things so he wrote he wrote this as far as advice
00:21:55.720to um skulls that would come after him dealing with this material he said do not lose sight of
00:22:00.280these splendid tales of the fathers but remember always that these old legends are to be used to
00:22:06.440point are are to be used to point to a moral or adorn a tale and not to be believed or to be
00:22:14.680altered without the authority of the ancient skulls who knew them belief is sin tampering
00:22:21.080with tradition is a crime against scholarship he was you know he was many things but he is
00:22:28.200noteworthy in the fact that he is the pioneer in the scholarship of this particular field
00:22:34.600that is the belief of his ancestors and you know we have it
00:22:41.880occam's razor is take it for what he says it is and if he says he's trying to preserve it
00:22:48.280accurately assume that he's trying to preserve it accurately sure any number of conspiracies
00:22:54.200could happen of course he could try to twist a point here or twist a point there or maybe aliens
00:23:00.600beamed it down and gave him a script or any you can come up with any number of random things
00:23:06.040but barring a reason to believe that and if anything i think that the incongruence between
00:23:11.880the prologue and the guilt beginning illustrates the point the one he is writing to the reader
00:23:18.360the other he is writing as a strict um this is what our ancestors believed this is what the old
00:23:26.000religion looked like and i think that's really really important to to factor in going forward
00:23:33.100because it's something that you know many of you will hear or come you know come in contact with
00:23:37.360If we were to discount everything that was written down by people who were Christians, we wouldn't have a lot of written material up until, you know, midway through the 20th century, at least not material from the West.
00:23:53.120Also, while I have the floor, Gilbert, you were awesome.
00:23:56.280Thank you so much for your donation, donating $150 to Thorshoff.
00:24:31.340and then caleb donated 25 to help with heat of thor's hop appreciate you guys very much thank you
00:24:38.300svan what else do we need to know before we get into the prologue yes uh you're zealous is a good
00:24:46.460word he was very driven to the national identity of icelanders built around not writing uh again
00:24:56.460paper and ink and all of those advancements that were being utilized in mainland and
00:25:05.580I would say post polytheistic Europe was an assistant tool to the extremely complex
00:25:16.700memorization of poems. I think that he had two motivations. One was knowing that scalds
00:25:24.540were about to become more of an important fixture in uh norwegian danish and swedish royal courts
00:25:32.700so he wanted to really get them honed and locked into a a state of knowing what they were talking
00:25:41.180about so he had a high motivation of keeping the integrity of the stories but i think too there was
00:25:48.780a sense where he needed to make them congruent and so there were there was influencing and i
00:25:55.020would argue it's actually not in the bodies of things but in the in-betweens almost like
00:26:01.820the corpus of lore of oral traditions is like a brick and you can kind of see where snorty makes
00:26:08.940connective joints in order to keep congruence because the stories were kind of written down
00:26:17.100from multiple sources that were that had memorized it and they were writing these
00:26:23.180things down and didn't organize it till much later well so another point i think is valuable too
00:26:35.020modern critics who just like to be critical it's very tempting to well actually and they found
00:26:43.900some other piece of lore or something that um might conflict with snorri's presentation but
00:26:51.020something that we noticed throughout i believe there are three or more tales that snorri mentions
00:26:59.580that are now lost to us so in the you know march of time and through the work of scholars you know
00:27:07.900over the last 800 years we have access to some things that snorri didn't have access to but it's
00:27:13.420also worth remembering Snorri had access to material that we don't have access to and we
00:27:20.000see that a couple of different times in the presentation so you know I think that's worth
00:27:26.160worth mentioning and I do all this preamble on this more so than on other pieces of lore because
00:27:31.220this is one that people like to take shots at and I think that's a testimony to it being
00:27:39.180very good and very important. Oftentimes the things that people most like to get critical of
00:27:44.980is precisely because they're important. We have a
00:27:50.460amongst our folk in, I think in general, and amongst the era that we live in,
00:28:01.960we have a cynicism amongst our people and a deep distrust for structure for order for things
00:28:13.700a lot of people become involved with quote unquote paganism as a revolt against structure
00:28:21.860as a revolt against rules and as a flex so you don't tell me what to do
00:28:26.700So the more our lore presents itself in a this is this and that is that fashion, and the less it's free form and you can kind of overlay whatever you want on it, the more uncomfortable that makes people who are conditioned to want to be rebellious.
00:28:48.540I don't say that to be triggering or offensive or whatever.
00:28:52.760I think that there are certain phases individuals have to go through and there's phases that people have to go through.0.97
00:29:00.740And when you're deeply immersed in a foreign religion like Christianity, there is a need to break free and go through a stage of rebellion to break that hold.0.98
00:29:14.840but there's also a time to mature in your own faith and to let go of the knee-jerk reaction to0.99
00:29:22.960that and to embrace structure one of the really important themes of all of our lore and arian
00:29:30.400lore in general is order versus chaos the desire for an ordered existence the recognizing of an
00:29:37.980ordered universe and an ordered way things work in life, this side of the veil and beyond
00:29:46.060is fundamental to who we are. And it's fundamental to reclaiming our birthright as people
00:29:53.260and to healing our very broken folk soul. I think that the Gilford getting is a very
00:30:00.800important step towards that and it presents a lot of very meaningful structure. So do we have
00:30:12.660additional things we need to know or can we just dive into the prologue? I would just say just
00:30:18.740remembering during the reading of this there will be referencing to the poetic Ada, the poetic Ada
00:30:27.380and the prose ada the one way to think of it is the prose ada is uh snorty talking about
00:30:35.540uh poetics and so there will be interjected it's written more in story form with um poetic pieces
00:30:44.580from other poems um from the poetic aidas so that might throw people off but he is
00:30:51.140is side grabbing and saying this is um you know as it is said by this poet boom so there is a
00:31:02.820direct referencing between the two corpuses i think that throws people off sometimes so i
00:31:08.820wanted to cover that last thing before we dive in important to make note of leroy thank you for your
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00:31:19.860leroy and thank you to all you guys who've been yep you guys continue to astound you're generous
00:31:26.740you're generous week in and week out we thank you guys um hail the givers hail
00:31:34.500and it's fun whenever you're ready take us into the prologue all right
00:31:54.600In the beginning, God created heaven and earth and all those things which are in them.
00:32:00.740And last of all, to humankind, Adam and Eve, from whom the races are descended
00:32:07.420and their offspring multiplied among themselves and were scattered throughout the earth.
00:32:11.920But as time passed, the races of men became unlike in nature.
00:32:17.240Some were good and believed on the right, but many more turned after the lusts of the world and slighted from God's commands.
00:32:27.760Wherefore, God drowned the world in a swelling of the sea, and all the living things, save them alone, that were in the ark with Noah.
00:32:38.020After Noah's flood, eight of mankind remained alive, who peopled the earth and the races descended from them, and it was even as before when the earth was full of folk and inhabited of many.
00:32:52.760Then all the multitude of mankind began to love, greed, wealth, worldly honor, but neglected to worship of God.
00:33:02.680now accordingly it came to so evil a pass that they would not name God and who then could tell
00:33:11.720their sons of God's mighty wonders. Thus it happened that they lost the name of God and
00:33:17.380throughout the wideness of the world that man was not found who could distinguish in ought
00:33:25.060the trace of his creator, but not less did God bestow upon them the gifts of the earth,
00:33:31.600wealth and happiness and for their enjoyment of the world. He increased also their wisdom
00:33:36.480so that they knew all the earthly matters and every phase of whatsoever
00:33:41.180that might see in the air and on the earth. And I think this is basically loading a point.
00:33:51.480many Christians, especially of his time looking back at pagan philosophers and deeply being
00:34:02.960influenced by them, not understanding or giving rationale as to why they wouldn't be of the
00:34:12.120judaic you know belief in in the god yahweh um they were so smart so well so uh they had other
00:34:21.880things they weren't um destroyed or plagues and so on and so forth so this is kind of what he's
00:34:28.360loading is that after the flood they go out everything kind of returns and they still have
00:34:35.240good wisdom and many things they just are kind of in ignorance now um one thing that they wondered
00:34:46.200and pondered over what it might mean that the earth and the beasts and the birds had one nature
00:34:51.800in some way and yet were unlike in manner of life in this was there was their nature one
00:34:59.560that the earth was cleft into a loft lofty mountain peaks wherein water spurted up and it
00:35:07.260was needful to dig no longer for water and there then in the deep valleys so it was also that the
00:35:14.160beasts and the birds it is equally far to the blood in the head and the feet another quality
00:35:21.400of the earth is that in each year grass and flowers grow upon the earth and in the same year
00:35:27.540all that growth falls away and withers. It is even so with beasts and birds, hair and feathers
00:35:35.100grow and fall away each year. This is the third nature of the earth, that when it is open and dug
00:35:43.520up, the grass grows straight away on the soil, which is uppermost of the earth. Boulders and
00:35:50.340stones, they likened to the teeth and the bones of living things. Thus, they were recognized that
00:35:56.600the earth was quick and had life with some manner of nature of it, of its own. And they understood
00:36:04.160that she was wondrous old in years and mighty in kind. She nourished all that lived and she took
00:36:10.860to herself all that died. Therefore, they gave her a name and traced the number of their generations
00:36:17.560from her. The same thing, moreover, they learned from their aged kinsmen that many hundreds of
00:36:23.940years have been numbered since the same earth yet was and the same sun and the stars of the heavens
00:36:30.680but the course of these were unequal some having a longer course and some shorter so i think this
00:36:38.460is important because he begins to shift he is referencing old belief in his time he speaks
00:36:46.740about the earth as a female. He also speaks about the mountains. And I think that's going
00:36:56.920to be very, very important later. And he talks about the springing of water from the earth.
00:37:02.760These two elements specifically are deeply connected to our faith and our ancestors'
00:37:10.600understanding of the cosmology um and i think that's what he's doing in this section is he's
00:37:17.980he's laying reference to they don't believe in what we believe today but instead saw this and
00:37:23.920and that's what leads them to believe and i think he's specifically choosing the mountains the
00:37:32.200well springs the um the uh the boulder the animals why they're not all the same and and
00:37:40.240why the sun and the stars he's he is uh loading up the story and i think it's very interesting
00:37:47.380because all of these are kind of addressed um so uh he says from things like these the thought
00:37:55.840stirred within them and there might be some governor of the stars of the heavens one who
00:38:01.340might order the costas after his will and that he must be very strong and full of might this also
00:38:08.000they held to be true, that if he swayed the chief things of creation, he must have been before the
00:38:15.240stars of heaven. And they saw that if he ruled the courses of the heavenly bodies, he must also
00:38:21.100govern the shining of the sun and the dews of the air and the fruits of the earth, whatsoever grows
00:38:26.920upon it. And in like that manner, the winds of air and the storms of the sea, they knew not yet
00:38:32.720where his kingdom was, but this they believed, that he ruled all things on the earth and in the
00:38:39.380sky, the great stars also of heaven and the winds and the sea. Wherefore, not only to tell of this
00:38:48.000fittingly, but also that they might fasten it to their memory. They gave names out of their own
00:38:54.560minds to all things. This belief of theirs has changed in many ways, according as people drifted
00:39:01.980asunder and their tongues became severed one from the other but all things they discerned with the
00:39:08.300wisdom of the earth for the understanding of the spirit was not given to them this they perceived
00:39:14.220that all things were fashioned of some essence so he is absolutely anointing his ancestors
00:39:26.620with an understanding of divinity and faith but he gives that a kind of a caveat is that um they came
00:39:37.580they they spoke a bit of their own minds and their own tongues because they knew not of uh yahweh or
00:39:45.980the uh the splitting of uh at the tower of babel and so on and so forth um but he's doing this kind
00:39:54.140of double-handedly um he and i think he is paving and and setting um a sense that there is a great
00:40:05.500uh sense in what is about to be said it's just that again they were you know misguided
00:40:15.180and um then we kind of shift into the euhemerism and uh oh sorry the last section i would like to
00:40:21.660say you can really see the um philosophes of greece that affected both paganism and christianity at
00:40:30.940its time um bringing forth the concepts of divinity not being simply of this or connected to this earth
00:40:41.420but being beyond um that was i think a concept that they brought in
00:40:48.620And in essence, it could be argued that they severed the connection between man and the divine, as in that man deeply believed that the gods were right here with us, able to watch, able to, there was a place that held up their home.
00:41:08.700There was a strut. There was an axis windy. There was a mountaintop or mountains or a pole.
00:41:15.660But they were here. And the philosophes were bringing in the idea that perhaps there is more spheres beyond our understanding.
00:41:26.080And you kind of see that laid in that section. So now he switches to you hemorrhizing.
00:41:31.180so pausing for a sec one thing that i'd like to kind of keep in mind again about um
00:41:38.140just motivation and doing stuff sometimes on here i'll use the term mental gymnastics
00:41:44.780um someone in the chat had mentioned that
00:41:50.700just something something negative about the the need to link everything to um to troy and then
00:41:57.180he said that people you know eventually ended up doing that with israel and i think that that's
00:42:05.420that's spot on in a way i mean i think we already see that in this poem when it talks about you know
00:42:11.260the patriarchs it talks about noah and the flood and adam and eve and stuff but one of the things
00:42:19.100when you are when you have to entertain multiple things and somehow make them both be true when
00:42:29.860they're contradictory we have a tendency to try to put these pieces together so i and i don't
00:42:37.860negate influence of the philosophes or influence of of classical authors i think that's part of it
00:42:44.260And I think that Snorri being someone who has a advanced education and is familiar with the Latin works that medieval scholars are familiar with at this time, or the Greek that's taken into the Latin, he would have access to some of that.
00:43:04.100But I don't know that this is an attempt by him to lessen the gods.
00:43:13.780I think that in a lot of ways, it's an attempt to make sense, which our folk, our people in general, are very good at doing, to make sense of things that are incongruent.
00:43:28.180so he knows that the christian god has to be true because that's you you don't question that that's
00:43:36.900the thing that's the only thing like that has to be true but he knows his ancestors were wise and
00:43:44.140they weren't silly and so he's creating this like okay well christian god made all this stuff but
00:43:50.660then everybody got amnesia and everybody forgot everything but so this is how they then went about
00:43:58.840rebuilding uh understanding of the world that made sense um and i think it speaks to the integrity
00:44:06.960that he thought our ancestors had he gave them a plausible out like okay well i guess everybody0.88
00:44:11.980else in the world except for this tribe of jews forgot everything so here's what they you know0.85
00:44:18.080here's how they made sense here's how we make sense of bridging the gap between those things0.97
00:44:23.760because he knew his ancestors were smart and he knew that the gods had power
00:44:30.480but if they can't be really be gods then maybe they're like wizards but like he was
00:44:41.920our best intentions when we know that certain things are have to be true but we have to make0.80
00:44:46.800sense of it you come up with very interesting mental gymnastics and they look silly from a
00:44:51.600modern perspective perhaps they were silly then but i think that they're understandable when we
00:44:57.360see people doing it today and i think that the uh the point made is often kind of brought up about
00:45:02.320the you know british israelites or the you know what is the other the modern version of we was
00:45:13.680jews um whatever that is christian identity guys yeah so yeah again you have to pretend things
00:45:22.400you know you believe really strongly in your race and you want a an ethnically structured faith
00:45:30.240but you're stuck knowing that you know your grandpa and your great grandpa and your great
00:45:34.240great grandpa and all of that worship jesus so jesus has to be like a lone white guy
00:45:41.440hanging out with the jews or something or like you have to come up with very strange
00:45:48.800you have to add material to make the pieces fit to where this right king of the jews of the house of
00:45:55.280david tracing his lineage back amongst you know the jewiest of the jews that's how you justify
00:46:02.720your kingship of that people somehow that's a white guy and like you have to do really strange
00:46:11.840mental gymnastics and i think that we see that at different times in different places i think0.54
00:46:16.000ironically the exact same thing you see by the black hebrew israelites right um which is funny
00:46:24.560that ah somebody somebody beat me to it in the comments section so yeah it's the same thing yeah
00:46:31.680you have to ignore these references of of him being called a jew and and he's accepting it
00:46:37.280and then you're like no the jews of the bible are different than the jews of today and it's like so0.90
00:46:41.200the ones that crucified him are the good ones like it's well again and and a lot of the time
00:46:49.200i think these are well-meaning people that struggle sometimes with very real consequence
00:46:56.560other times with very deep-seated mental trauma to break free from stuff. And I don't think it is
00:47:03.360dissimilar to Stockholm syndrome or to people that are raised by abusive parents or that come out of
00:47:11.740abusive, horrible situations where you have to rationalize that somehow these people love you,
00:47:20.560but these people also horribly mistreat you, but whatever, your brain forces you to try to make
00:47:27.380sense of those things because the realization that that's not true is too traumatic. And sometimes
00:47:33.760that's emotionally traumatic. Sometimes it is socially traumatic. Sometimes it is physically
00:47:39.400like life or death traumatic. And I think some of that is at play. So I don't think it's
00:47:44.320always a concocted thing now the other rival theory and both of these things can be true
00:47:51.240is that it adds legitimacy to um the northmen to connect them to the noble houses of italy and like
00:48:02.080to aeneas and to you know the founders of rome to those things there's a case to be made that
00:48:09.480there's part of that too but i think both things can be at work and i think there's you know it's
00:48:16.460easy to immediately see bad intention where sometimes people are desperately flailing to
00:48:22.260make sense of things they know are true they know their ancestors were good people they know
00:48:26.980the gods were very real and very important to their ancestors so they have to make that make
00:48:33.060sense with the new doctrine that is being forced upon them with a lot of very strong
00:48:40.860social means. So it's just something to keep in mind as we go through this. And I'm kind
00:48:45.420of over, over beating up the point. So we can, we can go back to the, to the text.
00:48:53.840Well, the, the, yeah, this, you, you hemorrhization begins at length and it, it does get very
00:49:00.280interesting and there are some linguistic comparisons that don't i mean i think they're
00:49:06.840more based on they sound close um together but um in section three of the men of troy
00:49:16.520near the earth earth's center was made the goodliest of homes and the haunts that have ever
00:49:24.440been which is called troy even that which we call turkland so on the center of the earth as that
00:49:33.240reference is is that the known world at the time was again northern africa and europe and asia to
00:49:43.160the east with the mediterranean being the center it was the center not only of uh the world for
00:49:50.040many europeans it was the center of philosophy and uh writing and all these things so you can kind of
00:49:56.840see what what he means of this but troy is there and in the land they call turklund this abode
00:50:05.640was much more gloriously made than others and fashioned with more skill of craftsmanship
00:50:12.200in manifold wise both in luxury and in wealth which was there in abundance there were 12
00:50:19.640kingdoms, and one high king, and many sovereignties belonged to each kingdom. In the stronghold
00:50:27.260were twelve chieftains. These chieftains were in every manly part greatly above other men
00:50:34.580that have ever been in the world. One king among them was called Meunon, or Menon, and he had
00:50:45.460wedded to the daughter the high king priam her who was called trojan or excuse me troon
00:50:55.700they had a child named thror whom we call thor he was fostered in thrace which is north of greece
00:51:06.580and i think he's making that connection because the thracians were
00:51:09.300very much i think more uh indo-european culturally than the greeks were and they were generally seen
00:51:19.660as uh wild in a lot of ways um he was fostered in thrace by a certain war duke named lauricus
00:51:28.500who when he was 10 winters old he took unto him the weapons of his father he was as goodly to
00:51:36.080look upon when he came among other men, as the ivory that is inlaid in oak. His hair was fairer
00:51:42.960than gold, and when he was twelve winters old, he had his full measure of strength. He lifted clear
00:51:49.960of the earth ten bearskins, all at one time, and then he slew Duke Lauricus, his foster father,0.94
00:51:57.820and with him his wife Laura, or Glora, and took into his own hands the realms of Thrace,
00:52:05.340which we call Thrudheim. Then he went forth and far and wide over the lands and sought out every
00:52:13.120quarter of the earth, overcoming alone all berserks and giants and one dragon, greatest of all dragons
00:52:20.280and many beasts. And in the northern half of his kingdom, he found the prophetess Sybil, whom we
00:52:27.780call Sif and wedded her. The lineage of Sif, I cannot tell. She was fairest of all women and
00:52:36.460her hair was like gold. Their son, Loredi, which is Haiti of Thor, was assembled, who
00:52:44.700resembled his father. His son was Einredi, another Haiti of Thor, the Lone Rider. And
00:52:52.740his son Vingthor, his son Vingenir, his son Moda, his son Magi, his son Seskef, his son Bedvig,
00:53:06.220his son Athra, whom we call Aunar, his son Iterman, his son Hermoth, who is also a human king of the Nordic period and also attested to be the son of Lord Odin.
00:53:44.820That's an interesting one, too, because we know that Finn comes from the Irish language in Old Norse.
00:53:51.660His son, Frielauf, whom we call Fredliver. His son was also named Voldin, whom we call Odin. He was a man far famed for wisdom and every accomplishment. And his wife was Frigida, whom we call Frigg.
00:54:12.440So very interesting in this sense is that this piece proclaims that Thor is the conqueror that goes to Thrace and then starts to conquer the world and has many children.
00:54:35.760And one of his children is Vodin, whom we call Odin.
00:54:44.720And again, the way that this is kind of placed together, especially the one that really is clear is like Sybil and Seif.
00:54:53.460These connections are almost grasping.
00:54:58.920And they're also, again, very reminiscent of biblical and Mediterranean poems where there's the father begetting the son and this son and this son and this son and this son and so on and so forth.
00:55:13.980Um, but you, we also see this in Ingetal where, um, that Lord Odin asks Njordh to stab him so he can go and see his god.
00:55:29.020And then, uh, Njordh follows his kingdom, um, which I think is very interesting.
00:55:35.220I, I, you know, theories that that's actually cults of worship, not actual euhemorized gods.
00:55:41.520But so for Odin's journey to the north of the world, Odin had second sight and his wife also.
00:55:52.440And from their foreknowledge, he found that his name should be exalted in the northern part of the world and glorified above the fame of all other kings.
00:56:01.300Therefore, he made ready to journey out of Turkland and was accompanied by a great multitude of people, young folk and old men and women.
00:56:10.800And they had with them much good and great price. And wherever they went over the lands of the earth, many glorious things were spoken of them so that they were held more like gods than men.
00:56:21.680They made no end to their journeying until they came to the north into the land that is now called Soxland.
00:56:31.440And that's very interesting considering where Saxony and or the old Saxony is in Germany.
00:56:43.220There, Odin tarried for a long space and took the land into his own hand far and wide.
00:56:50.600in that land set up three of his sons for land wardens one's name was veg deg he was a mighty
00:57:00.200king and ruled over eastern saxland his son was vit gills his sons were vita hangister
00:57:09.400or hangister's father cigar father of sveb deg whom we call sweep dog so he's a testing
00:57:19.400historical people to um the stories and kind of again making this lattice work of i think ultimately
00:57:31.640making allowances for this uh for the poems to be told the second son uh of odin was beldeg
00:57:39.880whom we call balder he had the land which is now called westphalia his son was brander
00:57:48.600his son fro uh frodigr whom we call frodi his son fray oven his son uvig his son gavis whom we call
00:57:59.080gave odin's third son's name was sigi and his son rarir these are the forefathers who ruled over
00:58:07.320what is now frankaland and and thence is descended the house of the volsungs so there he he is
00:58:15.960Because we just covered all of the Volsunga sagas, he's placing in these connective tissues between historical and semi-historical kings and their descendancy from Lord Odin.
00:58:33.100And I think that there is validity in that these kings did claim descendancy from Lord Odin, but he's rationalizing it in a kind of step-by-step way.
00:58:50.620and from them sprung many great houses then odin began his way northward and came into the land
00:59:01.140which is called a ride gottland or a ride gothland and in that land he took possession of all that
00:59:08.960pleased him he said over the land that his son skjolder whom whose son was fred lever and then
00:59:17.820descends the house of the skildings and these are the kings of the danes and what was then called
00:59:25.500raid godland is now called jutland or denmark so again all of these the the the royal houses
00:59:37.900uh and the descendancy from lord odin is an interesting subject in relation to this that i
00:59:44.060think that the kings of these lands did you know they were of or connected to or claimed legitimacy
00:59:53.260from lord odin but they didn't have it in a connective sense that he was joy they believed
00:59:59.980lord odin as the god lord odin but snorty is saying no this is uh you know the passage of a
01:00:07.420of a trojan uh king after the fall so i want to address something going on in the chat room
01:00:15.640just to add some clarity you guys are fine everybody's having a fine discussion in there
01:00:21.280let's get a little bit spirited about uh the norena society and their situation with the
01:00:28.040afa and this and that and the other a couple of points after seeing stuff um
01:00:33.920yes we should all it in a perfect world that's all working together would be the best thing to do
01:00:42.880and i say this completely honestly that means the norana society should join the astro folk assembly
01:00:48.500as long as they're not they are a distraction that pulls people away from joining together
01:00:57.160and moving stuff forward and that's the sincere position of the astro folk assembly i understand
01:01:03.060that the Norana Society guys would probably say the same thing,
01:01:08.780but we also in AusTrue don't believe in equality.
01:01:15.380Last I was told from Mark Puryear, and it's been a couple of years,
01:01:18.400there was 20 members of the Norana Society
01:01:20.280with well over 700 members of the AusTrue Folk Assembly.
01:01:28.240It doesn't make sense for us to treat as equals.
01:01:31.640it does make sense for them to join the team. And I wish that they would all do that. That said,
01:01:37.160you mentioned something about intention and intention matters tons, but numbers and doing
01:01:42.740this as a community matters a lot as well. So I don't care. And I don't think the gods care.
01:01:53.240Well, and here's the thing, I don't, I don't want to overspeak. But I would think on the level of
01:02:00.260caring, whether we stand in a circle or whether we stand in a, I don't know what they call the
01:02:07.100tic-tac-toe formation. But if we stand in a grid, here's the thing. If we're all standing in a grid
01:02:17.860and worshiping the gods, I think that is good and benefits the gods and brings them glory and makes
01:02:26.320them happy. If we all stand in a circle and worship our gods sincerely, I think that makes
01:02:32.820them happy and is something pleasing to them. I'm very curious if you can find the specifics
01:02:39.860of where he gets that the Gothar used to wear red or the participants used to wear red and the
01:02:47.700Gothar used to wear white. I'd be really interested in seeing that material. That's fascinating and
01:02:53.740really cool. If you find it, I also, you know, think it would be odd because red is so hard
01:02:58.420to come by for, you know, an average participant in that during our ancestors day, but that would
01:03:03.560be really interesting. Um, I think as long as you are dressed respectfully, that's really
01:03:11.820important. Um, if the re the way that you dress respective respectfully is with special red
01:03:18.840garments that you wear for bloat, awesome. By all means, do that. If you dress respectfully by
01:03:25.440wearing a shirt and a tie or a dress, if you're a lady or, you know, a suit, as long as you're
01:03:31.060dressed with piety and reverence in what you're doing, I think that also pleases the gods.
01:03:38.280The only time we've ever asked people to, certainly the only time I've ever been involved
01:03:43.660been asking anyone to change or wear something different at an AFA event as if it has, you know,
01:03:49.420profanity all over it or, you know, vulgar naked ladies on it, you know, straddling motorcycles
01:03:55.760or something crass. Because again, because that's overtly impious. So I think that's really1.00
01:04:03.780important. I also think that doing things together as a group is very important. If you are a
01:04:10.320solitary practitioner, it is much better than not being a practitioner at all. Absolutely, hands
01:04:16.120down. Sometimes you find yourself in a spot where you don't have people around, and that's
01:04:21.180unfortunate. One of the big missions of the Austro Folk Assembly is what our founder described as an
01:04:26.880ingathering of the folk, is bringing our folk home and doing this as a community. Because I do think
01:04:33.020certainly intent matters, but your intent is magnified when you're doing this with a community
01:04:39.200and with a group when you do that it's worth more than the sum of its parts
01:04:45.280the community was essential to our ancestors and is essential to us today so yeah worshiping with
01:04:50.480a community is much better than worshiping by yourself but worshiping the gods is infinitely
01:04:58.800better than not worshiping them at all so i think that's really important to point out too
01:05:03.120um any picking up on tensions between the afa and the narana society they're long-standing
01:05:12.000and they're developed over a long period of time and i understand there's somebody brand new to
01:05:16.480this you know finds that distasteful and i don't want to spend a lot of time trashing them i think
01:05:22.300that there is a lot of good scholarship that's been put in by the narana society i also take issue
01:05:30.080with the directionality of a lot of their scholarship um mark purrier himself i think is
01:05:38.520a very well-intentioned person um i don't think i think there are areas to where i think they're
01:05:46.020very incorrect and yeah as i've said before i think the gods are best served if we all get on
01:05:54.200the same team and i believe the afa is the team that ought to be under i think that ought to be
01:05:59.560under the trihorns. And I stand on that, I believe, you know, a million percent. And I think
01:06:05.580that, you know, reality bears that out. But I just wanted to put that out there because I know
01:06:11.380there's some, you know, some back and forth and I don't want it to be nasty because I don't think
01:06:16.180that it, you know, don't think that it needs to be. And I don't think that's where people were
01:06:20.980trying with it. Keep in mind, sometimes people have strong opinions about it. It's because
01:06:25.120they've been dealing with this particular rift oh for the better part of 10 years now at least
01:06:34.320and some of their people have been particularly nasty in the past and i think that's where some
01:06:40.960stuff comes from so that just is what it is uh that said we've got what i believe the last
01:06:49.440piece of the prologue yes and uh so go ahead and take that to the folk if you will
01:06:57.760all right so uh the fields and the choice of lands in that place seemed fair to odin
01:07:04.240so he chose for himself a site of a city which is now called sigton victory town um
01:07:12.480Well, Tuna's, yeah, not exactly directly to town, but there he established chieftains in the fashion which had prevailed in Troy.
01:07:31.000He set up also 12 headmen to be doomsmen over the people.
01:07:36.920Bear in mind the word doom doesn't mean what it means in our modern language.
01:07:40.560It means to ordain or adjudicate the fate of the people in the land.
01:07:49.020It's much more neutral in its meaning.
01:07:52.040To be doomsmen over the people and to judge the laws of the land.
01:07:56.360And he ordained also all laws as there had been before in Troy and according to the customs of the Turks.
01:08:04.960After that, he went into the north until he had stopped by the sea,
01:08:09.100which men thought lay around all the lands of the earth.
01:08:12.380And there he set his son over his kingdom, which is now called Norway.
01:08:49.960The Isir took wives of the land for themselves and some also for their sons, and these kindreds became many in number.0.85
01:08:58.640So throughout Saxlund and thence all over the region in the north, they spread out until their tongue and even the speech of the men of Asia was the native tongue over all the lands.0.95
01:09:11.920That's the key factor of understanding this attempt.
01:09:17.900It kind of shoots the hole in the boat.
01:09:20.240um uh therefore men think that they can proceed from their forefathers names which are written
01:09:27.760down that those names belonged to this tongue and that the icier brought the tongue hither into the
01:09:34.240northern regions into norway and into sweden and into denmark and into saxland but in england
01:09:41.280there are ancient lists of land names and place names which may show that these names came from
01:09:47.200another tongue than this and i think of course that's referencing to the britannic language um
01:09:54.080along with the anglo-saxon but um the you know according to his understanding is that
01:10:01.360the language of the north comes from asiatic uh and turkman or not even turkman but of troy um
01:10:14.240but he kind of starts to bridge those very close together even though we know that's not the case
01:10:19.600too so do we though we know that it doesn't come from turks right but in the flow of aryan migration
01:10:29.600the language does come to norway by way of the caucuses by way of asia into europe and up
01:10:39.680right no and i what i mean by this is the connection between troy and the north
01:10:44.640oh i know i'm saying one of the things that i think it's funny because a lot of the time
01:10:51.040ancient scholars again they're not foolish but they don't have access to the same information
01:10:55.280that we do but it's interesting when they notice similarities and i think noticing that greek
01:11:04.240and old norse share any commonality at all is kind of fascinating at that time and that i
01:11:14.800mean that would substantiate trojans aren't speaking you know turkish or aramaic they're
01:11:20.320speaking greek right well it's it's interesting asia minor was not a turkish place at this time
01:11:28.000it was a greek place well certainly at the time of any of the information written down that he's
01:11:33.360dealing with which is kind of interesting i think that it's funny because even despite
01:11:39.280the obvious stuff some truths do seep through that are interesting right yeah the the source
01:11:46.720of the language is both arian uh greek or mediterranean and arian norse all of that
01:11:54.000comes you know from the migration of the arians out of the out of the steppes of asia0.93
01:12:03.360so uh Caucasians yeah right it's like right but wrong but still right0.97
01:12:10.760um oh so a thing just while we're on it and I figure it is good to throw in here um0.98
01:13:39.480but I would posit that there is a divine hand at play in some of these things.
01:13:46.680It's amazing that our material has made it to us from a state of being oral tradition for so long
01:13:53.560into a place where it was codified, it was preserved, it was maintained. And as somebody
01:14:00.520said in the chat very early on tonight, these manuscripts just weren't hanging around. The fact
01:14:08.080that we're able to find them a new number of places in the way that we were preserved as well
01:14:12.500as they were it's funny because we're so entitled all of us we you know gnash our teeth when we read
01:14:20.720stuff in in poetica and there's like little like a line here or a line they're missing and we're
01:14:26.600like ah if only we had the thing not not stopping to be appreciative of all of the lines that we do
01:14:35.100have that is truly miraculous and a tremendous gift that's been handed down to us so it's really
01:14:42.520cool that we have what we have and i don't think that's by random happenstance i think that's the
01:14:48.100will of of the isere and i think that's part of the plan of lord odin um you know somebody was
01:14:56.100asking oh yeah it's it's or you know in that same comment like it's amazing that you know
01:15:00.400people know about odin but you know not a lot of people worship jupiter and i think that
01:15:04.780And that's because this is what the king of the Aryan gods wanted to utilize to awaken his folk and to bring them home to their faith and to rebuild a thriving, structured religion between our folk and our gods.
01:15:26.780this is what worked this is what inspired the people that were able to be successful
01:15:31.740this is the terms and the names and the conception that the all father used to
01:15:40.020awaken our folk soul and invigorate our people to come home and that's one of the reasons it's
01:15:45.780very very special and one of the reasons i think it's appropriate for all aryan peoples to return0.99
01:15:51.560to alsatru because that is the that is the the terms that the all-father made that step to
01:16:02.100re-establish that link and i think that's a very special thing that shouldn't go without notice
01:16:06.900the fact that this was able to be preserved as well as it was the fact that little you know even
01:16:13.420when it's it was right but then it's kind of wrong but even then it's kind of right
01:16:16.740I think that's part of that very special divine hand at play in these things.
01:16:24.580The machinations of Lord Odin and of Bragi and of that element in the soul of our people to preserve this.
01:16:35.740well we set ourselves into uh now that the structure and the framework and everything
01:16:48.060is kind of placed in and then there is also the connection of lord odin and uh the kings
01:16:55.640um and their descendancy uh kind of being linked to him uh traveling up and through which also i
01:17:03.280think um has political and religious motivations um all of the kings of the nordic lands knowing
01:17:14.200that they're descended in by they're being taught by their fathers and their father's
01:17:19.920fathers and we're descended from lord othen then the religion shifts and uh this kind of excuses
01:17:29.040the uh the reasoning uh that you know again lord oden was a uh a trojan moving up and that's why
01:17:40.560that descendancy is there um and so it kind of keeps it which is again another preserving thing
01:17:47.960but also kind of excuses it. So we move to the intro of the, I would say the corpus of
01:17:59.800the story with the poetic injections that we will see throughout where there is explanation
01:18:09.680and then there's substantiation by poems. But we begin with number one of King Galfi and Gavion.
01:18:17.960king uh gelvi ruled the land that men now call sweden it is told of him that he gave a wandering
01:18:27.560woman in return for her merrymaking a plow of land in his realm as much as four oxen might turn up
01:18:36.140in a day and a night but this woman was one of the kin of the icier she was named gevion the giver0.83
01:18:44.540She took from the north, out of Jotunheim, four oxen, which were the sons of a certain giant and her, and set them before the plow.
01:18:58.220And the plow cut so wide and so deep that it loosened up the land, and the oxen drew the land out into the sea and to the westward and stopped in a certain sound.
01:19:10.360There, Gevion set the land and gave it a name, calling it Seilund, or Zeeland.
01:19:19.400And from that time on, that spot whence the land had been torn up is water.
01:19:25.740It is now called Luger in Sweden, and bays lie in that lake, even as the headlands in Seeland.
01:19:35.740Thus says Bragi, the ancient scald, and this is where he quotes. So he'll often load a quote with a mention of the poet.
01:19:47.300um gavion drew drew from gilvy gladly the wave troves freehold till from the running beasts
01:19:59.000sweat reeked to denmark's increase so away from sweden closer to denmark so these are of course
01:20:07.260the islands in between denmark and sweden the oxen bore more over i ate eyes gleaming brow lights
01:20:15.320over the field's wide booty and four heads in their plowing.
01:20:22.020I think it's just interesting to note that this translation deviates from the Old Norse where
01:20:29.220the eight eyes leveled is clearly speaking about the oxen, but that the plow digs a grievous wound
01:20:38.760into the land, pulling the land apart. So this point, I think, is worth mentioning, too, is
01:20:50.420Gavion, she goes eastward, she goes to Jotunheim, she goes to the land as if, you know, it is
01:21:00.760connected all she um it's not kind of a a portal or a plane or something no she goes there and she
01:21:09.880comes back and the four oxen are shaped or uh in in the shape of oxen from her connection with a
01:21:22.280and the land is moved one of the things i think about in mythos is the allegory of
01:21:32.840the goddesses especially many of the goddesses in our faith are deeply connected to the earth
01:21:40.680just as many of the gods are deeply connected to the sky and we see this moving of the islands
01:21:47.320between Sweden and Denmark, and they're stating that these pairings or pullings apart were done
01:21:58.040in this case, though we don't have any evidence of King Galfi mentioned as being a king outside
01:22:06.360of here. There are many other mentions of Gevion, but this is where we get the plow connection with
01:22:14.600gevion there's also a mention that the four oxen are just jotens and not her children um so you do
01:22:21.640see some conflict of mentioning um in there but in this account they are her children and she pulls
01:22:30.280this and that is um her land which would also uh you know lead some people and you know we don't
01:22:40.280know, but that like, for instance, with Forseti and the Netherlands being, especially an island
01:22:47.440off the coast of the Netherlands, being sacred to the holy god Forseti, that this island,
01:22:54.180Zeeland, is holy to Gavion. Again, it also demonstrates power. The idea that you can get
01:23:04.160As much land as you can plow in a day, that's your land.1.00
01:23:08.180And then she takes and makes an island.0.99
01:25:20.240um as kind of a divine meta-narrative of how these things happen but i think ultimately this
01:25:29.520is to instigate king galfi to go finding the icier and talking to them because how could this
01:25:37.240be done you know this is so fantastically magical um that he has to go and find out
01:25:43.380and and that's really the reason why it's it's written it's written in the beginning
01:25:49.700and it instigates the entirety of the story um but i think you know in some of the stories when
01:25:57.920we see uh lord ovin and njord and their actual kings of sweden um that these are probably
01:26:05.780cults of worship the the the focus of the divine of the royal houses was towards ovin
01:26:12.280And then it shifted over to Njordh or back to Njordh or to Freyr.
01:26:20.020And that's kind of an explanation, but the story just plays it out as they're actually people.
01:26:27.640And we see a lot of this in these stories.
01:26:31.680Ultimately, you know, I'm of the belief that our poems and our stories are not just from this telling of King Galfi,
01:26:41.380But, of course, of the first who walked amongst the folk, Kvasir, after the war between the gods of the earth and the water and of the sky and the fire, they unify with Kvasir and he goes amongst the folk and speaks to them and tells them things.
01:27:00.700And I think that these stories come from that, from him, and have traveled with our understanding as our people have gone.
01:27:11.380But this is, again, another telling, a kind of instigation story where Snorty places King Galfi as getting a huge chunk of his land taken, and now he has to go and find out who these people are.
01:27:31.920And it also says because he is also a man of trickery and magic, so that's another reason why he has to go.
01:27:41.380Um, there's not so much a sense of, of, um, Gavion saying, you know, I'll entertain you, but, you know, my price is that I want this and I want that.
01:32:58.440And again, I think this is purposeful.
01:33:00.940It's building theatrical storytelling and poetics.
01:33:07.620So the door closes on his heels on its own.
01:33:10.340And there he saw a great room, and there were much people, some with games, some with drinking,
01:33:16.400some had weapons and were fighting then he looked about him and thought unbelievable many things he
01:33:22.720saw and he said this all the gateways air one goes out should one scan for it's certain where sit
01:33:31.160the unfriendly on the bench before thee he quotes the halvamal in essence it's a um this translated
01:33:40.700version is different, but it is again, be weary of walking through the door. You don't know where
01:33:46.880your enemies are. And so he's saying this one as the storytellers reemphasizing it to the audience,
01:33:53.380but also that he is of wisdom and he is weary much of what he's seeing despite all the grandness of
01:34:01.500it so he walks into the throne room and there he sees three high seats each above the other now
01:34:11.400I know that some folks might think this means like they're stacked on top of each other but
01:34:18.660a high seat um is again a station seat built on the height of it the back of it so high seats
01:34:30.280had pillars that usually held the backing of it so it would be i think more historically accurate
01:34:38.200to say that uh there were three seats and the backs of them each got higher um
01:34:47.480than thinking that there are three on a scaffolding if you will um so he saw the high seats
01:34:55.400high renown seats and each above the other the three men sat there on each and he asked what
01:35:01.880might be the name of those lords he who had conducted him uh in the answer that one who was
01:35:09.720sat on the northmost high seat was a king and his name was howr the high one but next to him was
01:35:19.480was Yavanhar, even high, or even as in of the same level. So just as high. And he who is in the third
01:35:30.720uppermost is called Thridi, the third. And of course, this is a huge part of the tripartite.
01:35:39.780We see the triplication. We see it in the temple of Uppsala where Thor is in the center and Adam of Bremen says that the furious one and the fruitful one are beside him.
01:35:54.060So, you know, the theory that I have been placing forth through our clergy and understanding is that the tripartite is such an intricate part of Arian faith, that it's in every Arian branch, and that it's so influential that even Christianity picked it up after it was inundated in Europe.
01:36:18.060so there's no difference here that the tripartite is presented um and he who's uh sorry then uh
01:36:28.220howard asked the newcomer whether his errand were more than for the meat and drink which were always
01:36:34.820at his command so are you here for refuge and are you here for a meal or is there something more
01:36:40.840that you are here for. He answered that he first desired to learn whether there were any wise men
01:36:50.080there within. And Hauer said that he should not escape whole from thence unless he were wiser.
01:36:57.680So he will certainly know the answer to his question, whether he likes it or not,
01:37:05.900and whether or not he's wise enough to understand it and stand thou forth who sparest who answers
01:37:14.940he shall sit so they ask him to take a seat and ask away all right so we're an hour and a half in
01:37:25.900um i talked to svan earlier and i don't
01:37:29.340this one is particularly important so i don't want to rush it i we're not done for tonight i just
01:37:37.020throwing that out there we are finally into the meat of the poem everything to this point has been
01:37:43.180to set up the characters and the situation to break down the truth to the folks and um
01:37:53.420yeah that's really important to the poetic setup to where this is we have written a
01:38:04.860a story to explain where we are what we're doing how we get here and now through um
01:38:13.660through guilty we're getting what the story is like what is the what are the mysteries of the
01:38:24.800universe and this is getting you know the most faithful and best preserved version of what
01:38:31.860exactly our ancestors believed so one thing and one of the reasons this is so very appealing
01:39:08.960And it's presented here the most complete in a guy who comes in and doesn't know anything about the Aesir and says, hey, what is this house of truth thing?
01:39:27.660And he goes through a question and answer thing to where in this exchange, it's laid out to the reader, through the court of Europe, to whoever is approaching this material that doesn't have this information.
01:39:54.000all right here it is laid out in the most clear way that we have from our ancestors day
01:40:01.840and i think that's very very important and looking at it in that light i think
01:40:07.860we often have people who don't have a point of reference you know that are like hey what
01:40:15.800what is this what do you guys do what do you guys believe
01:40:19.000I have tried the best that I can in the true log model to do my version of this, but not nearly as poetically and not, you know, I'm not comparing it to the masterwork of Snorri Sturluson.
01:40:36.220Um, but it is the attempt to answer these kinds of questions for folks that are curious,
01:40:42.320just like you have people now that have never heard of the Aesir that have never heard of
01:40:47.540Alcetru that may be familiar with Odin and Thor in the most loose possible way.
01:40:55.580This, this is that, and it's questions that we run into all the time.
01:41:00.300Um, I regularly have interactions that are kind of cool with my local Mormon elders.
01:41:10.640So the park that I take Aubrey to here often is directly in the route of where these guys
01:49:18.800And yet the only thing that kind of repeatedly proves that that's probably not true is the evidence like, you know, again, Otzi man or Otzi, the preserved body in the Swiss Alps.
01:49:35.500having interesting tattoos that may have been part of medicinal uses we don't know is it just
01:49:41.740theorizing um but they're hardly almost scythian look to them yes yeah and that well there's
01:49:50.300another part is the the scythians um and and the referencing to them uh with having pictures we
01:49:58.140We also have the Siberian or just the shamanist with the beautiful stag tattoo.
01:50:23.760So they're, you know, and this, of course, I'm using that word specifically.
01:50:27.440Because of the usage of the word picked and when the in Latin and this kind of there's theories that there's mistranslations on the blue or whether they were wearing red, which would be really crazy considering load and the blue dye.
01:50:45.320But the idea of the word probably, you know, being pictures or etchings or drawings probably were applied to tattoos as well.
01:50:59.280So we have evidence that they were there, but there are people that desperately try to say, no, there's no native word for it, so it didn't happen.
01:51:07.540And I think that's folly. I think that's something that scholars and kind of, again, they're trying to look through or understand a culture like reading through the receipts in the trash.
01:51:23.680They're trying to understand the dinner at the table by going through the receipts that they bought the food with.
01:51:31.800They're not looking at the entirety of the picture.
01:51:36.980They're not looking at the general view of it.
01:51:40.940So, European anti-tattoo mindset really comes from Judaic, biblical, and Christian, which is just a subsect of Judaism, brought by Saul into Europe.
01:52:01.860And they carried that, the scarification of the skin as a taboo.
01:52:08.100Though some would argue, again, I have heard Christians argue that there are mentions of it. But of course, all of that is in Europe. Is there a huge tattooing culture? I don't think so, actually.0.91
01:52:22.020I think that there may have been, just like with writing, a heavy magical and medicinal view of the usage of it.
01:52:34.420So that it was very specialized and I think more niche.
01:52:45.220We don't know if there was painting on the skin.
01:52:48.020I mean, we know that they used dye in their hair.0.91
01:52:50.480We know that they did paint their skin for a war. Tacitus' Germania talks about the red hair dye, talks about how they slathered their skin in dark soot in order to camouflage them during night raids.0.71
01:53:04.940And I don't know the source, but in Julius Caesar's Gaul, in the Gaulish Wars, he mentions that they have a multitude of tattoos and pictures on the body.
01:53:22.660But again, we don't know if they're temporary or permanent, and we don't understand the context and their usage.
01:53:30.660but i do believe that it was done and it was done probably at different levels for different groups
01:53:38.060in uh europe in the you know whether it's the gauls or or the germanics and to what levels
01:53:45.540that they were done at or perhaps what associations they had um i don't think that they were not done
01:53:52.760like at all and that's what blew my mind is when people saying like there's no word so therefore
01:53:59.240it didn't happen um but as far as modern house of true goes i think that uh there's not necessarily
01:54:09.640so much a taboo against it but i think usage and consideration is important and i think that's
01:54:17.000across the board um you know you shouldn't uh just do something like that frivolously um
01:54:24.600And you do find people who in different stages of their life have done that, but it's not necessarily so much something that's forbidden.0.95
01:54:37.340And I think our culture, modern Ausatruz culture parallels to modern American culture, but with more of a sense of, you know, don't do things that are stupid.0.99
01:54:51.020Don't get things that are stupid. Don't get things that you'll regret and so on and so forth.0.98
01:54:54.820Like kind of a commonality of understanding about tattoos rather than say that there is some absolute no or absolute yes, you should get tattoos.
01:55:06.960I don't think that that kind of falls. And we see that a lot with many other things that were mentioned. Piercings and the the evidence of piercings versus the descriptors.
01:55:20.380The descriptors are very low. There are possible piercings. And then, of course, like jewelry and adornment. Julius Caesar did say that the Gauls, bear in mind, he didn't quite know the difference between Germanics and Gauls.
01:55:37.200they were kind of all the same. Wearing gold as adornments, wearing rings, wearing necklaces or
01:55:44.800neck torques, you know, that all of these adornments were very popular. So we have like
01:55:52.620ideas of how, or mustaches and beards. Sometimes they wore mustaches, sometimes they cut their
01:56:00.940beards off and just wore mustaches, or sometimes they had beards. I think that a lot of this is
01:56:05.900just like it is today. These trends kind of go up and go down and they're localized or what have
01:56:12.280you. You know, it's much more, I think, an issue of the world of men than it is perhaps say from
01:56:19.220the gods. But the anti-tattooing comes from early Christianity and Judaism. And then it has also
01:56:28.840morphed based on people's perceptions of the way things have been said um throughout but
01:56:36.920i don't know that's like all i can really yeah so i mean archaeologically if our ancestors did or
01:56:44.840didn't you know who's to say uh in modern house true is there a you know position on tattoos
01:56:53.560no except don't get ugly ones um and i say that i you know i obviously say that to be glib for a
01:57:00.920second but beauty is important to our full beauty looks different to different people in different
01:57:09.480ways but some things are just kind of ugly so i think that as a general rule think about what
01:57:19.640you're doing if you're putting in any words make sure they're spelled correctly
01:57:28.760but yeah don't get stuff you're gonna regret because it sticks with you but i would say that
01:57:35.640more also true are than not have tattoos i'd say it is i don't have any tattoos and that is
01:57:45.160is you know i am the minority in that sense um there's nothing against it i think that
01:57:54.440you know in your issue of whether it's masculine or feminine
01:57:59.720we have a lot of people and again this goes with trends
01:58:06.840we had a large period of excess in the west that has disgusted many of us and we are trying to
01:58:15.160regain a level of nobility that our parents' generation and, you know, our generation has
01:58:23.440forsaken. And part of that is a revolt against degeneracy that tends to lend towards
01:58:33.820over prudishness. That's not necessary. If you want to
01:58:42.300dress and look in a style that you feel harkens back to a period of our ancestors that you think
01:58:52.720was more wholesome, so you want to have a very, I don't know, 1930s and 40s haircut,
01:59:03.820and not have tattoos because that's part of your aesthetic i think that's cool that's awesome
01:59:11.420um i don't fault that or think that's wrong i do think it's wrong if we are overly1.00
01:59:17.340oh that girl has tattoos she's clearly you know trash i think that's going several steps too far1.00
01:59:25.260uh i have seen beautiful tattooing on women seen hideous tattooing on women i've seen really cool0.99
01:59:31.420tattoos on guys and i've seen really dumb and ill thought out tattoos on folks i think that
01:59:37.420kind of goes a number of places what i will say is we exist in a social matrix and
01:59:49.900as much as we might not like some things in the world that we live in reality is reality if you
01:59:55.340get a bunch of face tattoos people are going to look at you a certain way and they're going to
01:59:58.940lessen your the perception that most people have of you and i'm not saying that's fair
02:00:09.260or good it's not an also true principle but it is you know it affects how people look
02:00:18.020at you reputation matters so having tattoos that you know fit in with acceptable social
02:00:26.620beauty standards make sense having tattoos that you know radically deviate from those
02:00:33.180have social consequences and that's worth considering before you do stuff but as a matter of
02:00:38.300of doctrine um no there's no prohibition of tattoos there's a lot of very cool um
02:00:47.900house true related tattoos i've seen some amazing work people have had done so
02:00:51.660So yeah, I will and I would further say that in modern house to true. The majority of folks
02:00:58.520have some to have at least one tattoo. In my experience.
02:01:03.420What else we got? I have a few questions. After Speckinger Svon's Lanveteer lesson. One,
02:01:19.960mentioned silver being an expeller. Do you think this is
02:01:24.280where the theme in stories and games of certain monsters only
02:01:27.480being able to be harmed by silver comes from? What's that
02:01:31.560useful? Yes, there there is connections between metals and
02:01:37.800different metals having special effects. And I believe the
02:01:44.520connection is the metal is from the land, but it is formulated
02:01:48.400by by menfolk and then it thus has special properties i think that that's kind of actually
02:01:55.120applied to many sacred things like beer and mead uh it is harvested it is brought together it's
02:02:04.400formulated it's brewed and then it's given over to the gods because it's something that was kind
02:02:10.960of made it so it has this property of sacredness the same as with metallurgy the um the idea of
02:02:19.680this i think really kind of comes from gold and silver then bronze and then from the bronze age
02:02:28.160to the iron age and that's why we also see iron having deep connections to um kind of expelling
02:02:35.680foul spirits is is i think ultimately what this all boils down to is the process of making it
02:02:44.080is what makes it sacred it's uniquely human because it's purified it's
02:02:50.160are you know it's smelted and purified and brought together and formulated into um
02:02:57.680a pure form that that humans have and then then it is attributed to defending against
02:03:05.200certain things uh in the mediterranean silver was also used to expel many things ghosts and so on
02:03:13.600um etchings on silver um and you know that would explain it in a sense because bronze was a
02:03:21.760wonderful um mixed metal that they used for everything but silver was unique and so we
02:03:29.280find that also with gold and then from the bronze age to the iron age as iron becomes this
02:03:34.880first it's this unique metal it also is smelted and brought forth and attributed to being able to
02:03:43.760fend off you know terrible things and that's why like for our land whites prayer you know as we're
02:03:50.400ringing the bells the bells that we use are um brass bells not iron bells um but that also to
02:03:58.240iron in association with lord thor and the expelling of malicious spirits is that their
02:04:05.360obvious connection there so um you know yes that's i mean i think that's ultimately the reason
02:04:12.720is those creations of those metals having specific points in the culture
02:04:18.960of expelling against things that are terrible
02:04:21.040if you had to get a new mjolnir and the price wasn't a factor what metal would you choose
02:04:37.360for its properties gold silver iron etc
02:04:41.760is that there you you got that one um it's directed at you but i would get gold i think
02:04:53.040a gold mjolnir would be awesome just be very expensive uh one of these days let's say you
02:05:00.560yeah i i mean i would say gold because of its cultural significance to us today though i do
02:05:07.120like iron obviously mine is iron and for the you know the expulsion of of ill spirits bronze of
02:05:17.040course would also be fitting um considering the bronze axes and the bronze hammer axes
02:05:24.000um but again we see this um the metal being significant and mentioned as being significant
02:05:32.640but i think we should look deeper and understand what it is is that this smelting of the metal
02:05:38.880and this creation by our hands with its intent is the true point of its being sacred
02:05:51.680plus i like gold in the sense that it just doesn't lose its luster you don't don't have to um uh
02:05:59.440shine it the patina of it is it's not theirs and it's fancy um gold gold is very expensive and
02:06:08.960it's getting harder and harder excuse me it's getting harder and harder to come by
02:06:14.480um for the for normal people it is to where it is very difficult now for someone to get
02:06:20.640you know gold wedding bands uh in a way that it wasn't for our uh our parents generation or their
02:06:28.560parents generation so gold gold's hard to come by yeah but then you got those of us who are lesser
02:06:36.240beings and can't wear gold because they're allergic i didn't i wasn't aware that it was
02:06:43.440an allergen it's not the gold but the stuff when you when you're wearing a ring it's not 24 karat
02:06:48.960there's nothing mixed in i'm allergic to the stuff they mix into it oh to hold it and keep it
02:06:54.560together i don't know that's some some goblin or some draugr stuff i don't know about no um well
02:07:03.680i guess i could just walk around with a rash all the time i don't know that way i could be cool
02:07:07.280with my gold that's also gross i think these are all gross options well and we have a member at
02:07:12.320thorshof who made uh mjolnir's out of the red oak that was uh you know is is at the temple so you
02:07:19.760know i think everything's kind of on the the table it's just the significance of how it comes about
02:07:26.400you know i i would be very concerned like if you're going on to a website or something like
02:07:31.520that you know just where it's made yeah you know i wouldn't i think it would be better to get it
02:07:37.040from say someplace in europe um as opposed to you know i don't know some factory somewhere else but
02:07:45.520But, like, the Ukrainians make great jewelry.
02:07:48.380There's also some Swedes that make great jewelry.
02:08:42.820We were talking about some of this stuff.
02:08:45.520The usage of the word land, like a white deer or an Alvar or that broad title, because it's always is about what the Alvar is synthesized with.
02:08:58.600Are they synthesized with the light? Are they synthesized with the material? Then it's Svartalvar and so on and so forth.
02:09:07.060So the big thing is that if you have a spirit that is moving the material, I am of the belief that you have a Svartalf, a Dvergar, a malicious spirit of the earth because their ability to move things.0.89
02:09:28.440And the fear and the ability to get a rise out of the emotions connected is an interesting energy, I think, that they enjoy.1.00
02:09:43.760But, again, this is all in the, you know, you could take this as like, what?
02:17:52.300You know, we wouldn't think twice of, you know, seeing something or feeling the embrace of an ancestor and remarking that, you know, that was grandpa or that was, we wouldn't think twice about that.
02:18:04.380That would be beautiful and that is beautiful when it happens.
02:18:08.520The same is true of people we don't like or of people who have a spiritual potency, but a lacking morality.
02:18:19.120You know, sometimes the haint is a, I realize how this sounds, but keep it a buck, as the kids say, like a dead wizard or some such.
02:24:14.340I think that there is a certain amount of wisdom to that.
02:24:17.880It's not my way and it's not in my character.
02:24:22.480But I do think that there's something to it because I do think there are risks in acknowledging spiritual forces that are not there when you ignore them.
02:24:38.060I think there is a safe path of trying to ignore them and pretend they're not there and don't feed them.
02:27:49.200um also hanging an iron nail from the end of the bed for any uh foul troll witches that are uh1.00
02:27:57.760when it refers to sleep sounds like a good way to rip your clothes and your sheets0.99
02:28:02.640oh no hanging from a string okay on the end of the bed post um hang an iron nail from a
02:28:09.440string these things are funny and they sound funny there's absolutely something to them um
02:28:16.800a friend of mine and this is a this is something to note
02:28:20.640hospitals are particularly hate-ridden
02:28:26.220um a friend of mine his uh his wife was terminally ill in the hospital and
02:28:35.120there were things messing with her and he did some um runic sigils
02:28:42.040and placed around her bed that seemed to quiet that
02:28:45.620um in order to protect my mom when she had a stroke and she was in the hospital for a time
02:28:53.400I brought in pictures of my grandfather and my grandmother and you know asked the ancestors to
02:29:02.380watch over her and and keep vigil when I could and I tried to be there as much as I could
02:29:06.820um I think that was helpful um so there's a lot of different ways to do it
02:29:14.700And again, kind of with an earlier conversation, I think that intent and being able to powerfully channel your spiritual might into something that you're doing.
02:29:26.640And that's a, I mean, that's a muscle that you've got to train and you've got to, you've got to build an ability to make that connection.
02:29:34.980A lot of these things are tools to help you make that connection.
02:29:40.620So that's something to think about too.
02:29:42.520um spawn completely different topic that's what i like about these questions is they go kind of
02:29:49.360around them and they're neat and they provide interesting segues um what does the purple rope
02:29:55.380around frayers waste in the mural symbolize wow yeah i uh you're not the only person that has kind
02:30:03.620of uh ask this um so i what i'm about to say please just take it as i i can't explain it
02:30:15.460i don't know why it is but it simply is when uh the murals are being painted there are times where
02:30:23.380there's this kind of sense that i'm not i'm just kind of a uh an application tool if you will
02:30:33.060um and there's things that happen where i want to specifically put something in
02:30:38.340and then there's other times where something just shows up and i can't explain why um
02:30:46.500the the uh the rope is a gift from his step mother it's from scotty
02:30:56.100and i don't know why that is a thing but it is a thing it's just as much as when um
02:31:05.340i was doing the artwork for arminius on the back of his shield i knew instantly that there was a
02:31:13.280small lock of hair and a coin hanging on the back of the shield i don't know why it maybe it's just
02:31:20.820more subconscious art things coming out but um as i was doing it i
02:31:30.040i was asking myself even why why was it there it is a gift from
02:31:36.600scotty to give to him um kind of as a a joke if you can understand where like a throng of cord
02:31:49.700and scotty work together you can put it all together and it's kind of a a joke about uh
02:31:57.060the things that you gain and the things that you give up for love
02:32:03.220yeah there you have it that's i can't explain no that's that's awesome anybody who hasn't seen it
02:32:12.500yet uh get in your car now go to well i say that you have to have somebody come by and let you in
02:32:20.020don't break into our hoffs but you should go to austintown uh ohio um spawn outdid himself with
02:32:32.420a phrase mural there it is it is breathtaking um
02:32:38.900um many of us when we first saw it were just brought to tears it is
02:32:43.700well done thank you i yeah i just did there's things in there that are not from me i don't know
02:32:55.700the the cordage of scotty given to her stepson as a kind of a benevolence of acceptance and the joke
02:33:06.780behind it especially when you consider cordage and scotty i'll leave that as it is all right
02:33:17.420next question on the mountain behind lord frayer the pathway leads where oh
02:33:25.980all right yeah no i can't believe uh people noticed that but i mean again
02:33:30.540so that's actually a mistake um i was going to do well first off it's not a mistake the murals are
02:33:39.260works in progress at all times i will go to all of them again and work on them in in various ways
02:33:47.580but the time crunch was three days i had only three days to do everything i was running into
02:33:53.980issues um and uh driving 10 hours and my car had popped a flat it was it was um there was a lot of
02:34:01.820stuff going on and so my original intention was to place skeet blavnir the ship uh which means
02:34:10.620like slice blade which is an awesome name for a ship um skeet blavnir also being one of the
02:34:19.100treasures along with uh gulan bursty but uh skidh blavnir can fly across the sky like it can um uh
02:34:32.620upon the water so i was originally going to put skidh blavnir up there with a retinue of
02:34:38.700leos alvar like in a procession coming down from the ship but time constraints and and again it
02:34:50.700wasn't it was about uh holy fray and his visage and getting ready for for uh everything to be
02:34:58.940done and yeah i was doing i think nick or nick tight i was working on it up until the day of
02:35:05.340dedication and i will definitely go back and and do more but it's i'm super excited that people are
02:35:13.340catching some of this stuff uh yeah so some of it has deep meaning and others of it is my failings
02:35:28.380not failing just meaning yet to be uncovered yes yes
02:35:35.340we've already got people digging on the hank blue origins so you know get to the bottom of it
02:35:45.660so somewhat jumping around a bit but what do you think of brian wilton's idea that saga could be
02:35:54.600the daughter of odin and frig it would seem appropriate the god of wisdom and the goddess
02:36:00.640who knows the fates would conceive a daughter of history. So I'm going to let you play with
02:36:06.980this for a sec, but I want to throw this out here up front. Her name's not Saga. Her name is0.90
02:36:12.740Sauga. And the apostrophe over the A is meaningful. So whereas Saga is a story or a historical0.99
02:36:22.060recounting um the etymology of sauga's name is is thought to be from xiao which means to see
02:36:33.640so the idea of her as a seeress is very important i know a lot of people in modern times have placed
02:36:41.180a lot of emphasis on her um you know in reference to recording history and things and i don't want
02:36:49.880mess with that because i don't think that's wrong or bad but i do think that the etymology of of her
02:36:56.760name makes a big difference i also fundamentally i i've never heard of brian's theory on this
02:37:06.040i don't think that's a bad theory um with frigga's ability as a seeress and knowing the fates
02:37:14.360but not speaking on it i see validity there but i don't know if i see enough to proclaim that it's
02:37:22.920true or not but i wanted to make that point up front because i do think it's meaningful it's fun
02:37:29.480well you know i think that as we discover our relationships with the gods like uh this reminds
02:37:37.160be very similar of the word dotler in heimdall time dotler uh whether it means the dale or the
02:37:44.360valley or whether it means a flame or a light and i am of the belief that there's no reason
02:37:51.400to believe that it can't be both vowel for a vowel hall valkyrie slain but also chosen
02:38:00.440specifically those two have those meanings um and again sauga sauga is a seer what is a seer
02:38:10.200a seer is an observer both of that which is happening and that what flows into the past
02:38:17.660and that which is of the future so um i'm always whenever i um talk about the maiden offense
02:38:27.300solar holy sauga is that she is watching the gods at their at the dune seats she is there
02:38:35.860at the wellspring of urd and she is witnessing the dooms of men that which they are marking
02:38:43.140for glory or for for unseemliness or for their deeds in in the world and as we cry to the gods
02:38:51.620saying, you know, notice me, witness what I'm doing, my deeds, bear witness to my deeds. I'm
02:38:57.480doing this, you know, as we're making our proclamations to the divine, the gods are
02:39:01.780measuring out the dooms of men, as we'll be, we'll talk about in the guild beginning, from heaven
02:39:07.560at the tree, Yggdrasil, at the third root, at the wellspring. And she is seeing that.
02:39:21.620And then after all of this is comprised, Lord Odin goes to her and recalls that which she sees
02:39:31.360and that which she will see. So I, you know, I think the very word Cirrus applies a forward,
02:39:41.680backward, and neutral sense of observing. It is observation of what will come, what is,
02:39:49.880and what has been. As far as the connection, I am one of those folks who are very open
02:39:58.020to those connectivities between the gods. I am not one of those people that the Lord
02:40:03.100doesn't state it, so therefore it cannot be. I think that that's a very narrow view. I think
02:40:10.600our church, and when I talk to the Gothar, I implement this thought that, hey, the gods are
02:40:18.780alive the gods are now but it goes even further into an understanding of relationships that there
02:40:24.720are things that are not written in the lore that don't mean that it's not there i talk about the
02:40:31.520soul of bor and best love being the wind torn eagle and the hawk on top of uh the tree in heaven
02:51:51.660i don't know the person who asked the question and i don't want to presume i think that it would
02:52:00.140require really specific definition of terms if we were talking to a biologist selective mating
02:52:17.660and producing change over time through selective breeding is a thing and i think that we can all
02:52:26.220you know attest to that i think that's why african americans are such strong athletes
02:52:36.700um i think that we've seen this over time that you can do that within a number of generations
02:52:44.700to select for certain things so like that exists now whether that takes you know a rat to a monkey
02:52:53.580to us. I'm not saying that the AFA believes that. What I am saying is that when we became
02:53:04.740us, we were originally something else. Then the gods blessed us with our us-ness of becoming
02:53:16.580Aryan man, and we see through the aforementioned Riggs Thula, thank you, Nick,0.95
02:53:27.860a evolving of us from a more primitive state to a better state and to a even better still state.0.96
02:53:39.400So we see the progress of evolution in that way.
02:53:42.240Are we descended from the gods, I think, is a really interesting thing.
02:53:47.920And I think it goes into some of the previous questions about the gods being fathers and mothers of different gods and how that works.
02:53:56.880The gods making children isn't meant as a biological reference to fleshy copulation.
02:54:10.620and i don't and i don't want to be vulgar i'm specifically saying that it's not vulgar in that
02:54:18.840way but i'm also saying it's not mammalian in that way gods are gods and the coupling of two
02:54:26.760divine spiritual forces is far beyond our comprehension but to think that it's you know
02:54:35.480the sexual union that we we see amongst mammals is probably not how that works
02:54:43.040their parentage involves their creation of new life through their interaction
02:54:51.200um just like that is the way that we are able to create parentage is we have a biological
02:54:57.880mechanism to do that. So no, I don't think that two gods biologically had physical copulation
02:55:17.460to birth from a womb the first people. I don't think that's what's intended. The gods created
02:55:25.060us. Absolutely. The gods are our divine parents. Absolutely. They created our biology. So I
02:55:36.440suppose they are our parents in a biological sense. But I don't think that we're descended
02:55:43.980from them in a mammalian sexual coupling over time. And I don't think that's what's told by
02:55:52.640our lore and if that is what happened then then fine i don't preclude that i just don't have
02:56:00.020reason to believe that's the case um they made us us as i mentioned earlier when it mentions
02:56:08.900the gods finding the two pieces of driftwood
02:56:11.940they transmuted that that existed before that was lacking in divinity lacking in0.97
02:56:22.100the animating force of sentient life and they made those things Aryan man and Aryan woman1.00
02:56:30.400that is a hundred percent true I don't think like that has to be true but it0.89
02:56:40.220the flow of evolution doesn't suggest that the gods make something much much much less
02:56:49.300And then we perfect that over time. If anything, we would see it go the other way if that were the case. So I think they took something that was much less developed and matured as we are today and helped set us on the way to becoming who we've become within the historical period of our time.
02:57:12.120And I understand that sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook evading the question. It's not meant to, but it does acknowledge the things that we don't know in a clear way.
02:57:22.320It would be clean to take a very, very specific position on exactly how that works. That's the biological truth. And if you say otherwise, you're burning in hell.
02:57:33.320It's not the right thing to do because it doesn't value our virtue of truth.
02:57:42.120so we know things but we also need to acknowledge the limits to the things that we know for
02:57:48.760certainty and be honest in how we present that to folks because it truth matters so that's the best
02:57:55.160i got swan do you have anything to add to that yeah i think that uh with the truth of our lore
02:58:03.000and our stories comes the greater hurdle of understanding and i think that everything that is
02:58:09.800um the divine hand of the gods instigating the return to their people um has very important
02:58:18.920things in there that uh the understanding is is kind of i think clearer now than perhaps
02:58:25.080in the past um one of the big things that i talk about is uh the fact that jotenheim
02:58:32.360and Muspelheim are on the same plane, or Niflheim and Muspelheim and Jotunheim and Vanaheim.
02:58:42.340The realm of the gods of water and earth, I refer to them often as the gods of natural law
02:58:50.800and how they go to the Isir gods in the stories. They send an emissary. There is this division of
02:59:00.820The gods of the middle, they are of water and of earth and of life and of prosperity and gold and many other things.
02:59:20.620So what you end up having is the gods of the middle are in the west while the Jotun is in the east.
02:59:29.260And I don't think that these are just happenstance because it sounds cool.
02:59:36.860The Vanir I often talk about is natural law, cyclic nature, the spirit of life, the life when we want a good hunt, if we want a good herd, if we want fruitful fields, oftentimes we pray to the Vanir gods.
02:59:57.420And I think that's another reason why the Vanir gods are called the older gods to the Aesir, is because of our relationship to them, being that they are more interconnected to us in this middle world.
03:04:42.220let's see i'm not sure how much further tonight we want to go i think we do
03:04:46.940want to get back into it just a little bit um so let's let's see about that let's go ahead and read
03:04:55.620um uh stanza three or not stanza i guess section three all right section three concerning the
03:05:06.960all father and the foremost of the gods or the foremost of the gods gang leary began his
03:05:15.260questioning thus, who is the foremost or the oldest of all the gods? It was Haur that answered,
03:05:23.280and he called, he is called in our speech, the All-Father. But in the elder Ausgard, he had 12
03:05:31.640names. One is All-Father. The second is Lord. The other is Lord of hosts. And of course, a host is
03:05:42.180an army the third is nikar or spear lord the fourth is nikar or striker the fifth is the
03:05:54.080knower of many things the sixth the fulfiller of wishes the seventh the far speaking one
03:06:02.560the eight the shaker and this is again referring to the shape shaking of a spear
03:06:08.480Or he who putteth the armies to flight, the fear of or sending them away.
03:06:20.920Lastly, the burner, or excuse me, not lastly, but the ninth, the burner, the tenth, the destroyer, and the eleventh, the protector, and the twelfth, the gelding.
03:06:31.580then asked gang lady where is this god or what power hath he or what hath he wrought that is
03:06:44.840of a glorious deed how it made answer he lives throughout all the ages and governs all his realm
03:06:53.120and directs all things great and small then said uh he fashioned heaven and earth and air and all
03:07:03.840the things that are within the greatest of all is this that he made man and gave him the spirit
03:07:10.560which shall live and never perish though the flesh frame rot to mold or burn to ashes and all men
03:07:18.800shall live, such as are just in action, and he himself in the place of Gimli.
03:07:27.780But evil men go to hell, and thence down to the misty hell, and that is down in the ninth world.
03:07:37.040Then, said Gangleri, what did he do before heaven and earth was made?0.86
03:07:42.720And Haur answered, he was then with the rhyme giants.
03:07:48.800Now, this one's chock full of a lot of good stuff to talk about.
03:10:37.780So I think that's very important that we cover those things.
03:10:41.320The other is the usage of the word rymthurser.
03:10:44.720Primthurser is kind of like Jotun, in that it is placed on the Jotuns of Niflheim in the beginning, before Ymir, and it is also placed on the Jotuns after Ymir is slain, but the differentiation is oftentimes not addressed.
03:11:04.880So it gets people confused. A lot of understanding about the Jotuns that the Aesir are from, are from Niflheim.
03:11:17.740um they are from the origination point of of that proto matter of that high cold place some people
03:11:27.600have even said that this is some sort of analogous towards hyperborea in the ancient like uh northern
03:11:34.680lands that our ancestors equated the gods and the divine to the place of the north of of the cold0.99
03:11:43.260and and of the uh kind of misty past but um they are separate from emir emirs jotin breed that are
03:11:55.500uh killed in the deluge um are produced in a you know uh generations later but they are oftentimes
03:12:03.580referred to as hrim thurser or rhyme giants as well so there's some things i find you know is
03:12:10.300again just very interesting also the usage of the word gimley gimley uh in here is kind of being
03:12:19.100analogous with gladsheim because gimley is referred to um in volusbau as being the
03:12:29.820like the place that survives ragnarok or is above where uh above ausgard it's kind of
03:12:38.460of very odd how it's it's worded but we see it used here kind of synonymous with glad time
03:12:46.460and i think that that is because it is one in the same that gimli the the shining hall is
03:12:54.220either valhall in another name or glad time itself just like their names for igdrasil i think we get
03:13:03.260get lost it lost in the details sometimes. There are a couple of things that I think
03:13:10.820are very, very important when especially in this talk of the afterlife. He mentions that
03:13:20.020Alcetruar believe that the soul is indestructible or is inherently indestructible. That its natural
03:13:31.240state is not something that comes about and then that dies. And then he talks about the
03:13:38.340afterlife. And he also talks about burial practice. So there are a number of different
03:13:43.480faiths at different times that believe strongly that, you know, if you're the only way to get
03:13:52.140to the other world is cremation, or if you don't have your physical body as intact as
03:13:58.280possible then you don't have a good afterlife and you're crippled and you're messed up in the
03:14:03.480afterlife or it doesn't work out you see the very elaborate uh mummification practices in egypt
03:14:10.760with those kind of ideas and you know the christian church for a time you know no you
03:14:17.080you're getting a bodily resurrection so you need to maintain the physical body in the tomb as best
03:14:22.520you can it is meaningful here that at this you know very early time in the 1200s when this is
03:14:29.560being written he acknowledges like no his ancestors believe that the human spirit that is given by the
03:14:38.360Allfather is not, is not, is inherently immortal. And that if it is good and noble, it gets
03:14:52.360elevation after death. And if it is evil and bad, it goes to Helheim and then down into
03:15:01.760nightfall hell it goes down into a lower destructive realm where we have nidhogger
03:15:09.100and uh naustron and we have the dissolution of worthless souls and so it's i think that
03:15:20.240even in just a few lines there is very important to our what our ancestors believed in our
03:15:27.320ancestors understanding of afterlife i think you know the idea of gimli of a you know heavenly
03:15:38.840beautiful elevated existence for the the good people and the people who have earned a spot
03:15:46.920of something nice is absolutely in keeping with all of arian lore and understanding and is a
03:15:55.800i don't know a beautiful note at this point to the sophistication of our ancestors you'll notice
03:16:04.880that they go there by their deeds being righteous by their deeds being good it doesn't mention that
03:16:14.160those that have faith in odin get saved that's not that's not the point the point is they're
03:16:21.600you know the good people good and honorable people getting justly rewarded for their virtue
03:16:29.760not for their subservience and i think that's an important note because
03:16:37.680again like i say people point out ah this seems too christian why because it's what white people
03:16:46.480believe about religion or because it actually has something to do with the bible those distinctions
03:16:53.520become really really important when we examine it very often times when people see christianity
03:16:59.680what they mean is oh you mean wholesome white people religion right and the two are really
03:17:06.160different things when you start bearing into the you know the jewish texts of christianity versus
03:17:11.520the noble heroic spirit of Aryan religion.
03:17:20.220You and I were talking about the last title there, Yalkir Gelding, I believe.
03:33:34.780it'd be cool to say you know every thunder occurrence is an intentional willful act of thor
03:33:42.140it'd be cool to say every single raven does exactly what odin says all the time and they're
03:33:48.340all like his you know messengers it doesn't work that way and i think we're smart enough
03:33:57.060intelligent enough to know that it doesn't but to also know that sometimes it does
03:34:03.580There is natural phenomenon that exist because they exist, but our gods have a particular way of expressing their will through natural phenomenon at times.
03:34:33.580and again they're gods they can do a wide array of things and they have power over stuff
03:34:43.900can thor tell ravens to do stuff sure but i don't think that's the natural
03:34:53.560sequence of how that works can you know heimdallar uh
03:35:02.920speak through the thunderstorm sure but that's not typically what he does
03:35:10.040our relationship and our ancestors developed relationship with the gods
03:35:15.960were that certain gods interacted with them through certain mediums of occurrence.
03:35:25.620Those things spoke to the nature of that God.
03:40:28.200But the drizzling rain that rose from the venom congealed to rime, and rime increased, frost over frost, each over each other, even into the great gap Ganungagap, and the yawning void.
03:40:43.400And then Evenhauer said, Ganungagap, which faced towards the northern quarter, so Ganungagap was closer to Niflheim, became filled with a heaviness and the masses of ice and rime, and from within, drizzling rain gusts.
03:41:03.660But the southern part of the yawning void was still lighted by those sparks and glowing masses, which flew out of Muspelheim.
03:41:13.400And then the third said, just as cold arose out of Niflheim and all terrible things, so also all that looked toward Muspelheim became hot and glowing.
03:41:25.500But Ganungagap was mild, with windless air, and when the breath of heat met the rhyme, so that it melted and dripped to life.
03:41:35.880Life was quickened from the yeast drops
03:41:39.260By the power of that which sent the heat
03:49:22.640but at some point it just bounces around in your head and it's masturbatory at some point if you
03:49:29.800don't act on it and you don't speak it into existence and speak your mind the thought the
03:49:36.520inspiration metastasizes so the the primal roaring bringing forth existence setting the world in
03:49:46.840motion is a a valuable theme and we see it repeated throughout our lore but this is the
03:49:53.880this is the birth of sound um i think it's also worth noting that the name our yellow
03:50:04.120any any time anyone ever sees or reads the word gelmer they should think roarer or echoing sound
03:50:13.640he our means shape shape like through clay he shaped yes he's the shaping yell he he is the uh0.80
03:50:23.080and our order specifically connected to like clay and mud and rock so he is the earth screamer he is
03:50:32.280the uh earth shaping roar and just like you said you know you hit it right on the head is that
03:50:40.120primordial sound that is exactly the same thing that lord othen found when he went to the bottom
03:50:45.160of the roots and in the darkness found the sounds um but it also is like in the well
03:50:53.240there means to like stir or um like a whirlpool so it's like the the whirling yeller uh wellspring
03:51:04.360um and we see it again you know with many names of of them but there's some other things
03:51:09.960i wanted to say the translations are interesting it says um you know all the witches spring from
03:51:19.720uh wit off but in the old norse it's uh era all the frau or video so uh i think it's a haiti but
03:51:32.360it's clearly saying like all of the the vulva all the witches or all the um yes like witches come from
03:51:42.520wood wolf and i think that wood wolf is a haiti you know and i think it has context pro you know
03:51:49.800is it anger boda you know i we don't know and then when it goes to warlocks they don't say
03:51:57.720we know another word most everybody that practices house of true knows another word
03:52:03.080it's vitki or vitkar but they chose to use the word warlock vitkar allah frau uh
03:52:13.000again the the willful tree is the translation like the you know i don't know if that's even
03:52:22.920like a haiti for lord odin and then lastly it says spell singers say the plural meaning uh
03:52:36.680like sorcerers but this one specifically is masculine which makes it interesting
03:52:44.200is it the the wording of it is used in a masculine sense so are they talking about
03:52:50.680sorcerers instead of sorceresses or is it just simply you know a word not often used so that's
03:52:56.760what it's agreed upon um and then of course the word ogre the word is so the i found that
03:53:05.960very interesting when we read it in translation if we take those translations as gospel you're
03:53:13.240going to fall into trouble and we encourage everyone to always look up the etymology of
03:53:19.480nordic words and norse words and follow them and learn them from and in all the different
03:53:24.680translations because it just makes you learn a lot more when they say vitki and someone
03:53:31.240translates that to warlock that's an interesting thing um it adds it adds depth and it's not
03:53:39.000necessarily depth that i would have appreciated or realized when i started you know my journey
03:53:48.200but i think that now a slight difference here and there can really make a big difference
03:53:56.120in how we internalize something so yeah absolutely we encourage that i think that's our last chunk
03:54:02.120for tonight but i have a another question that came through is the afa the largest neo-pagan
03:54:10.360organization in america i don't know what that means because again it's um
03:54:24.680it is interesting to figure what counts and what an accurate number is we think about that
03:54:34.280internally with the afa often so when we talk about numbers of afa members we talk about adult
03:54:46.680men and women who independently our pay dues or pay their hof toller so that's members that are
03:54:57.480actively financially contributing to the afa that said
03:55:05.800people who are actively participating in the afa that includes a number of spouses that aren't
03:55:13.000independently members on their own it includes all of the children who are under 18 that are
03:55:19.880involved and it includes a number of people that don't realize they haven't made their their
03:55:26.040contributions or whatever so our number is much more of an administrative number we have you know
03:55:32.200i've seen in the past there was um what was it i'm trying to think of what it was even called
03:55:40.920i think the austria community claimed this but also um there's another group it's really there's
03:55:49.320some people that tried to claim their membership as people that click like on their facebook page
03:55:54.520oh uh so odin's children and tack yeah in the austria community so i what does that mean
03:56:03.000everybody that clicks like on your thing that's a real different number um
03:56:11.960from what i have seen as far as people that actually show up and attend ritual participation
03:56:19.720Yes, I think the AUSA True Folk Assembly is the largest, certainly it's the largest, AUSA True, anything in the broad scope of AUSA True organization in the United States, absolutely.
03:56:36.580But again, it all depends on what we think that number means and how we track it.
03:56:42.240But if you take it from, you know, pictures of people doing stuff regularly, I certainly think the AFA is that.
03:56:49.720okay our next question is what actions behaviors ways of living etc most pleases the gods it's fun
03:57:39.880And then we know that the dead, the ancestral is leaving a good name behind. But we've talked about this dualism in religions kind of have a tendency to work from evil to good in their spectrum. And ours is from law to chaos.
03:58:00.860So the better understanding is that which substantiates for the good of the folk, for the gods, for your people is order bound, whereas that which detracts, that which dissolves unity, that dissolves things, that is chaotic and that is unseemly.
03:58:25.800It's and if the Germanic word for these, these instead of like honor and dishonor would be seemly and unseemly deeds.
03:58:34.840So, you know, if you have someone who's just as a person doing these things and you could look at them in different ways, you could say, oh, well, I think an evil person would kind of be have more proclivity towards chaos and a good person towards law.
03:58:52.220I think there's some merit to that, but I think that those two spectrums of chaos and law have a greater sense because when we look at, say, that which we build, if we're an ancient tribe and we have built something together and I slay one of the people in my enclosure, in my tribe, I am detracting.
03:59:17.560I am tearing away. That's terrible. But if we're standing together and outsiders attack us and I
03:59:24.940slay them, that is not evil. That is good. That is maintaining order from the outside chaos coming in.0.55
03:59:35.060So when we talk about ethics and we talk about morality, I believe that on an individual level,
03:59:43.480What truly makes the gods pleased or look upon us is, again, great renown towards them. I think it's also in the way that things of great renown happen in the age.
03:59:58.140um for instance now is not so much the age of say migration period tribal war but is most certainly
04:00:07.180the age of leading our our folk back to the gods so those who do great deeds to do that i think
04:00:16.440are of notice of worth that the gods are noticing them and blessing them whereas you know during the
04:00:24.960age of migrational tribal warfare. It was the person who stood up and fought against the outside
04:00:32.420chaos to protect his people. That was notice. So it is about you as a person doing great deeds,
04:00:43.780really, I would say beyond yourself for the greater good and to maintain or build a cohesive
04:00:52.800sense of order in all of the chaos. That is one of the hardest and most beautiful things that a
04:01:01.680human soul can do. And that is emulating the gods. And that is, I think, worth of, you know,
04:01:09.320of notice. Do the gods notice? I'm not speaking for the gods, but what I'm saying is, is all you
04:01:15.020can do is emulate them by attempting to do that and pray to them, build relationship to them and
04:01:21.740Ask them to bear witness to your deeds of doing that.
04:01:29.760So there's a lot of different ways to go on this.