Asatru Folk Assembly - 1⧸21⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 185 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 1

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00:03:00.000 hello hello everybody welcome to tonight's edition of victory never sleeps we are excited

00:03:14.960 we are very excited because we have finished the poetic edda and now we move on to the prose

00:03:20.880 this one is particularly important and foundational and digestible

00:03:33.500 a lot of people when they approach Ausatru for the first time they often wonder where to start

00:03:44.320 or what to do. A lot of our lore comes to us in fragmentary pieces where you kind of pick up in

00:03:51.240 the middle and you're expected to have the lay of the land, be familiar with the personages involved

00:04:01.420 and their personalities and a bit of their story. And so it's challenging. One of the coolest things

00:04:07.860 and one of the reasons that I think it's very important to us, the Gilfaginning very intentionally

00:04:13.020 is the best of our lore in terms of now you know this is what also true our belief

00:04:25.940 this is our story of the world and our place in it and our gods and how they relate to to us

00:04:37.820 and to the creation of the world around us.

00:04:41.100 And it's very, very helpful in that

00:04:43.280 and something we're pretty excited about

00:04:44.820 sharing with you and talking with you about.

00:04:47.420 Before we get to that,

00:04:48.580 we'll go through the kind of wacky prologue portion

00:04:54.300 and bring some light to that

00:04:57.100 and talk to you guys a little bit about it.

00:04:59.140 But before we do that,

00:05:01.820 top of the show things,

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00:06:12.380 we would love to have you with us i know there's a lot of people that spend a lot of time thinking

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00:07:18.440 While we're on the topic, a couple of things.

00:07:25.540 Nick, are they both up and ready?

00:07:29.820 just the one all right so okay so now we'll do this anyway a couple of things

00:07:38.140 um we're having some record cold situations in the south and in like the middle eastern

00:07:46.940 seaboard of our country um people are getting chilly and the heating element in the fellowship

00:07:54.460 hall at thorshoff went out on us we are working to get that remedied um we're trying to find

00:08:02.780 you know the most economical and reasonable way to do that but right now uh the option of replacing

00:08:08.300 the part is a little bit pricey we could use help with that if that's something you'd like

00:08:12.540 to contribute to uh any money donated to thorshoff will go towards that um and another thing that we

00:08:19.500 are less urgent but still important so anybody who knows about Sigurheim it is

00:08:30.540 it's a beautiful piece of property that is becoming the capital of the astro folk assembly

00:08:37.660 we will eventually have a great hall there we will have tiershoff there we are

00:08:43.900 we draw up plans and we are looking for architectural engineers to draw

00:08:48.380 proper plans on that as we speak so that's should be making progress relatively soon it is the

00:08:56.140 reason that my family and i are currently packing up our house and moving down to Tennessee in the

00:09:01.900 coming weeks um but yeah it is a big chunk of it is very usable nice field space up front but uh

00:09:12.940 part of part of the the process of owning this place is taking care of it and that means

00:09:19.420 mowing that field keeping it down keeping the bugs and the ticks down and you know civilizing

00:09:24.700 an untamed chunk of land out there in order to do that we need a mower that can make it happen

00:09:31.420 we had one um folks folks stole the mower that we had so now we are getting a um

00:09:42.300 new to us mower and with it a trailer so that it can be moved to a secure location when we're not

00:09:50.220 mowing um again trying to figure out the best precautions to take and and the most

00:09:55.740 i don't know the most responsible use of the uh resources that we have but that's

00:09:59.900 also something we're working on anybody who would like to contribute to that runestone.org

00:10:05.100 um there's a complex link there i think you could probably get to it by the donate link

00:10:11.020 if not we should fix that um just go to the donate and you'll find it you'll find it

00:10:18.860 runeson.org donate we'll get you there and the thing with the mower on it and the trailer

00:10:24.300 that would be awesome and we would you know as always appreciate everybody's generosity

00:10:28.380 so thank you so much uh just because we're on it and somebody said something about it in the chat

00:10:37.580 room can you add a tracking device to the new mower and did you contact local police we absolutely

00:10:43.100 did contact local police as soon as the other one was missing and we have thought about that

00:10:47.740 if you have suggestions or ideas i'm not that guy but i have thought about if there's a way

00:10:52.860 surely if there's something you can have on your phone to track it there's probably also a way to

00:10:56.620 have something on the mower just in case but uh we'll solve a lot of it by it being on the trailer

00:11:03.340 and it being you know at my house or at nick's residence so we should be able to make something

00:11:08.860 work until we have a little bit more infrastructure out there on the land um so i mean we could just

00:11:17.420 put an uh air tag on it if anything i i don't speak that but you kids know what you're doing

00:11:23.740 so I trust that.

00:11:29.500 Yeah, I appreciate that, and I'm glad to take somebody's advice on that

00:11:32.960 and knows a little bit more about it, but that would be a cool thing to do,

00:11:35.580 and Nick will give me the rundown on AirTags.

00:11:41.180 Yeah, those are top of the show stuff to mention.

00:11:45.520 I'm trying to think if there's anything else right now,

00:11:47.360 and I don't think that there is.

00:11:53.740 So, Fawn, what do people, so we did a whole show a little while, not too long ago, about the authors slash compilers of our lore, specifically the Eddas.

00:12:10.100 and we talked about

00:12:12.420 Simonder the Learned

00:12:15.520 and his

00:12:17.180 battle with the seal

00:12:19.180 and we talked about

00:12:21.400 Snorri Sturluson

00:12:23.340 who is the author of

00:12:25.880 Tonight's Edda

00:12:27.500 Any kind of background

00:12:31.640 that folks need to know

00:12:33.360 before we get into the prologue section?

00:12:37.780 Yeah, one thing is

00:12:39.920 um the scope of understanding like kind of what you just started uh laying out those foundations

00:12:46.440 are also it's a mysterious book in the sense that even after its compilation it wasn't fully

00:12:56.920 uh brought about or discovered until a few hundred years after snorri so it it started to

00:13:05.560 catch up popularity and um caught people's attention far later just again the the fact

00:13:15.400 that it kind of mysteriously showed up and began um catching attention i think is interesting that

00:13:24.520 a lot of people don't think about um but we got to look at the times upon which it was transcribed

00:13:32.520 and it's also worth remembering that simon did he translated it from story uh to latin and then

00:13:44.440 they're there because they were still trying to decide uh exactly how the old norse language in

00:13:51.320 with latin letters was going to be utilized and so he takes it in to latin and that version is lost

00:14:02.520 And then it is compiled into Old Norse using Latin letters.

00:14:07.320 And then it's almost not seen by anyone till much, much later it shows up and starts kind of creating a historical and cultural tug of war between Norway and Iceland.

00:14:25.700 So there's a lot of that that I think a lot of people don't talk about or understand.

00:14:31.740 But at the time that it was compiled through those various times led by one school teacher or headmaster, and he's got people in the school working at it in different groups or different stations trying to get things together.

00:14:53.460 There is a need at that time to euhemorize the gods, and euhemorization comes from a Greek philosopher who spoke that the gods were actually mortals that tricked people, that they convinced people that they were divine.

00:15:19.460 divine and that explains why uh they're you know seen as gods but they're not it's basically

00:15:28.340 delegitimization so in this intro the euhemorization of the gods is brought down to

00:15:37.460 one that i think causes a lot of um confusion in folks or people people are very interested in it

00:15:44.580 is that he connects the gods to troy and why he does that first off the the the trojan war

00:15:55.300 is highly contestable that or not the trojan war but troy itself but the trojan war again this is

00:16:03.540 it's so mythological in its origins, it's not historical. And so he leans into that and starts

00:16:19.520 the theory that the gods are actually mortals from Troy who come up to the Northlands after

00:16:25.960 troy falls and they trick um the norse into believing that they are gods even though none of

00:16:34.660 the there are some loose connections he tries to make linguistically um to some of the gods and

00:16:41.720 of the trojans but most of them are not there and don't exist um so it's very very spotty but what

00:16:49.480 he's doing is he knows a volume of stories from pre-Christian times would cause a lot

00:17:00.700 of, uh, ruckus amongst the church. So the best way to, uh, ensure that that's, uh, safe

00:17:11.280 that you won't get burned or, you know, you won't lose money or, or whatever it might

00:17:16.800 be um funding from the church or funding from the government was to immediately roll out with hey

00:17:25.600 uh you know we're going to tell all these stories about the gods but

00:17:30.000 you know we all know they're just they're really escaped kings from troy

00:17:38.640 while we have a sec um something that i think is really important 0.99

00:17:46.800 We have a tendency when dealing with any kind of history to assume that people that lived before us are idiots somehow. 0.99

00:18:00.220 They're not. 0.99

00:18:01.400 It's very easy to paint very two-dimensional cardboard versions of very real people that have just as much brain capacity.

00:18:11.400 and honestly some of these people like simon dur and snorey are brilliant people they are

00:18:17.340 acclaimed scholars and highly functional and you know the people that got a lot going on mentally

00:18:24.180 so it is important to take them seriously and to take them at you know their intention of what

00:18:33.460 they're trying to do. One of the reasons that, so something that is heard frequently in our circles

00:18:43.580 for a long time is, oh, the lore is written down by Christians. Oh, it must be crap. Oh, we can't. 1.00

00:18:51.620 That's silly. And we have to avoid silliness. At the time our lore was written down, 0.92

00:18:58.480 there wasn't not christians to write it down that's not a realistic thing it was written down

00:19:06.560 at a period where all of the people who can read and write in that part of europe are christian

00:19:13.160 and it's written down by the smartest people of the time and it wasn't written down as a propaganda

00:19:19.540 track to convert people people had already been converted that wasn't the point what it was

00:19:25.020 written down by is by a man who was zealously and it's a strange word to use in this context

00:19:31.660 but trying to preserve

00:19:33.580 icelandic norse art and story and skaldsmanship and it's something that is flows deeply in the

00:19:47.240 veins of those people we see it to this day preserved in iceland they are very very interested

00:19:55.100 in trying to preserve their history their art their storytelling their poetic meter those things

00:20:04.540 are extremely important they have very rigorous rules on naming laws to keep those things intact

00:20:10.920 and to preserve those things so it's important to note yeah his intro is for like modern people

00:20:17.960 reading this book here's how you know our ancestors were confused because of course we know the truth

00:20:24.280 of christ but here is what they believed because preserving the accurately as he knew them the

00:20:32.760 tradition of the ancestors was important to him as a scholar to try to make that make it up to

00:20:40.040 be something silly or whatever that wasn't the purpose of the story he's writing to teach what

00:20:47.320 the ancestors thought his introduction is why they were confused but the body of work that he's

00:20:54.680 presenting is an accurate this is what our confused ancestors believed was true just like a scholar

00:21:01.240 today, you know, a Christian scholar wouldn't go try to rewrite Egyptian lore to trick you into

00:21:12.520 something or to try to convert you. No, he'd be like, ah, this is what the silly Egyptians 1.00

00:21:17.580 used to think. The point is to record the history and the tradition accurately in the 1.00

00:21:24.680 guilt beginning. That's kind of the entire purpose. And it's mentioned in subtext and

00:21:29.480 things throughout um the quote that i have i want to pull up here because i do think it's important

00:21:39.160 as far as his advice to um because a lot of this is to teach and to inform

00:21:49.800 the youth and the upcoming scalds on how to do things so he wrote he wrote this as far as advice

00:21:55.720 to um skulls that would come after him dealing with this material he said do not lose sight of

00:22:00.280 these splendid tales of the fathers but remember always that these old legends are to be used to

00:22:06.440 point are are to be used to point to a moral or adorn a tale and not to be believed or to be

00:22:14.680 altered without the authority of the ancient skulls who knew them belief is sin tampering

00:22:21.080 with tradition is a crime against scholarship he was you know he was many things but he is

00:22:28.200 noteworthy in the fact that he is the pioneer in the scholarship of this particular field

00:22:34.600 that is the belief of his ancestors and you know we have it

00:22:41.880 occam's razor is take it for what he says it is and if he says he's trying to preserve it

00:22:48.280 accurately assume that he's trying to preserve it accurately sure any number of conspiracies

00:22:54.200 could happen of course he could try to twist a point here or twist a point there or maybe aliens

00:23:00.600 beamed it down and gave him a script or any you can come up with any number of random things

00:23:06.040 but barring a reason to believe that and if anything i think that the incongruence between

00:23:11.880 the prologue and the guilt beginning illustrates the point the one he is writing to the reader

00:23:18.360 the other he is writing as a strict um this is what our ancestors believed this is what the old

00:23:26.000 religion looked like and i think that's really really important to to factor in going forward

00:23:33.100 because it's something that you know many of you will hear or come you know come in contact with

00:23:37.360 If we were to discount everything that was written down by people who were Christians, we wouldn't have a lot of written material up until, you know, midway through the 20th century, at least not material from the West.

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00:24:38.300 svan what else do we need to know before we get into the prologue yes uh you're zealous is a good

00:24:46.460 word he was very driven to the national identity of icelanders built around not writing uh again

00:24:56.460 paper and ink and all of those advancements that were being utilized in mainland and

00:25:05.580 I would say post polytheistic Europe was an assistant tool to the extremely complex

00:25:16.700 memorization of poems. I think that he had two motivations. One was knowing that scalds

00:25:24.540 were about to become more of an important fixture in uh norwegian danish and swedish royal courts

00:25:32.700 so he wanted to really get them honed and locked into a a state of knowing what they were talking

00:25:41.180 about so he had a high motivation of keeping the integrity of the stories but i think too there was

00:25:48.780 a sense where he needed to make them congruent and so there were there was influencing and i

00:25:55.020 would argue it's actually not in the bodies of things but in the in-betweens almost like

00:26:01.820 the corpus of lore of oral traditions is like a brick and you can kind of see where snorty makes

00:26:08.940 connective joints in order to keep congruence because the stories were kind of written down

00:26:17.100 from multiple sources that were that had memorized it and they were writing these

00:26:23.180 things down and didn't organize it till much later well so another point i think is valuable too

00:26:35.020 modern critics who just like to be critical it's very tempting to well actually and they found

00:26:43.900 some other piece of lore or something that um might conflict with snorri's presentation but

00:26:51.020 something that we noticed throughout i believe there are three or more tales that snorri mentions

00:26:59.580 that are now lost to us so in the you know march of time and through the work of scholars you know

00:27:07.900 over the last 800 years we have access to some things that snorri didn't have access to but it's

00:27:13.420 also worth remembering Snorri had access to material that we don't have access to and we

00:27:20.000 see that a couple of different times in the presentation so you know I think that's worth

00:27:26.160 worth mentioning and I do all this preamble on this more so than on other pieces of lore because

00:27:31.220 this is one that people like to take shots at and I think that's a testimony to it being

00:27:39.180 very good and very important. Oftentimes the things that people most like to get critical of

00:27:44.980 is precisely because they're important. We have a

00:27:50.460 amongst our folk in, I think in general, and amongst the era that we live in,

00:28:01.960 we have a cynicism amongst our people and a deep distrust for structure for order for things

00:28:13.700 a lot of people become involved with quote unquote paganism as a revolt against structure

00:28:21.860 as a revolt against rules and as a flex so you don't tell me what to do

00:28:26.700 So the more our lore presents itself in a this is this and that is that fashion, and the less it's free form and you can kind of overlay whatever you want on it, the more uncomfortable that makes people who are conditioned to want to be rebellious.

00:28:48.540 I don't say that to be triggering or offensive or whatever.

00:28:52.760 I think that there are certain phases individuals have to go through and there's phases that people have to go through. 0.97

00:29:00.740 And when you're deeply immersed in a foreign religion like Christianity, there is a need to break free and go through a stage of rebellion to break that hold. 0.98

00:29:14.840 but there's also a time to mature in your own faith and to let go of the knee-jerk reaction to 0.99

00:29:22.960 that and to embrace structure one of the really important themes of all of our lore and arian

00:29:30.400 lore in general is order versus chaos the desire for an ordered existence the recognizing of an

00:29:37.980 ordered universe and an ordered way things work in life, this side of the veil and beyond

00:29:46.060 is fundamental to who we are. And it's fundamental to reclaiming our birthright as people

00:29:53.260 and to healing our very broken folk soul. I think that the Gilford getting is a very

00:30:00.800 important step towards that and it presents a lot of very meaningful structure. So do we have

00:30:12.660 additional things we need to know or can we just dive into the prologue? I would just say just

00:30:18.740 remembering during the reading of this there will be referencing to the poetic Ada, the poetic Ada

00:30:27.380 and the prose ada the one way to think of it is the prose ada is uh snorty talking about

00:30:35.540 uh poetics and so there will be interjected it's written more in story form with um poetic pieces

00:30:44.580 from other poems um from the poetic aidas so that might throw people off but he is

00:30:51.140 is side grabbing and saying this is um you know as it is said by this poet boom so there is a

00:31:02.820 direct referencing between the two corpuses i think that throws people off sometimes so i

00:31:08.820 wanted to cover that last thing before we dive in important to make note of leroy thank you for your

00:31:14.180 fifty dollar donation to help keep folks thorshoff warm we appreciate that very much thank you

00:31:19.860 leroy and thank you to all you guys who've been yep you guys continue to astound you're generous

00:31:26.740 you're generous week in and week out we thank you guys um hail the givers hail

00:31:34.500 and it's fun whenever you're ready take us into the prologue all right

00:31:43.860 so uh

00:31:44.740 the ideas of the gods.

00:31:54.600 In the beginning, God created heaven and earth and all those things which are in them.

00:32:00.740 And last of all, to humankind, Adam and Eve, from whom the races are descended

00:32:07.420 and their offspring multiplied among themselves and were scattered throughout the earth.

00:32:11.920 But as time passed, the races of men became unlike in nature.

00:32:17.240 Some were good and believed on the right, but many more turned after the lusts of the world and slighted from God's commands.

00:32:27.760 Wherefore, God drowned the world in a swelling of the sea, and all the living things, save them alone, that were in the ark with Noah.

00:32:38.020 After Noah's flood, eight of mankind remained alive, who peopled the earth and the races descended from them, and it was even as before when the earth was full of folk and inhabited of many.

00:32:52.760 Then all the multitude of mankind began to love, greed, wealth, worldly honor, but neglected to worship of God.

00:33:02.680 now accordingly it came to so evil a pass that they would not name God and who then could tell

00:33:11.720 their sons of God's mighty wonders. Thus it happened that they lost the name of God and

00:33:17.380 throughout the wideness of the world that man was not found who could distinguish in ought

00:33:25.060 the trace of his creator, but not less did God bestow upon them the gifts of the earth,

00:33:31.600 wealth and happiness and for their enjoyment of the world. He increased also their wisdom

00:33:36.480 so that they knew all the earthly matters and every phase of whatsoever

00:33:41.180 that might see in the air and on the earth. And I think this is basically loading a point.

00:33:51.480 many Christians, especially of his time looking back at pagan philosophers and deeply being

00:34:02.960 influenced by them, not understanding or giving rationale as to why they wouldn't be of the

00:34:12.120 judaic you know belief in in the god yahweh um they were so smart so well so uh they had other

00:34:21.880 things they weren't um destroyed or plagues and so on and so forth so this is kind of what he's

00:34:28.360 loading is that after the flood they go out everything kind of returns and they still have

00:34:35.240 good wisdom and many things they just are kind of in ignorance now um one thing that they wondered

00:34:46.200 and pondered over what it might mean that the earth and the beasts and the birds had one nature

00:34:51.800 in some way and yet were unlike in manner of life in this was there was their nature one

00:34:59.560 that the earth was cleft into a loft lofty mountain peaks wherein water spurted up and it

00:35:07.260 was needful to dig no longer for water and there then in the deep valleys so it was also that the

00:35:14.160 beasts and the birds it is equally far to the blood in the head and the feet another quality

00:35:21.400 of the earth is that in each year grass and flowers grow upon the earth and in the same year

00:35:27.540 all that growth falls away and withers. It is even so with beasts and birds, hair and feathers

00:35:35.100 grow and fall away each year. This is the third nature of the earth, that when it is open and dug

00:35:43.520 up, the grass grows straight away on the soil, which is uppermost of the earth. Boulders and

00:35:50.340 stones, they likened to the teeth and the bones of living things. Thus, they were recognized that

00:35:56.600 the earth was quick and had life with some manner of nature of it, of its own. And they understood

00:36:04.160 that she was wondrous old in years and mighty in kind. She nourished all that lived and she took

00:36:10.860 to herself all that died. Therefore, they gave her a name and traced the number of their generations

00:36:17.560 from her. The same thing, moreover, they learned from their aged kinsmen that many hundreds of

00:36:23.940 years have been numbered since the same earth yet was and the same sun and the stars of the heavens

00:36:30.680 but the course of these were unequal some having a longer course and some shorter so i think this

00:36:38.460 is important because he begins to shift he is referencing old belief in his time he speaks

00:36:46.740 about the earth as a female. He also speaks about the mountains. And I think that's going

00:36:56.920 to be very, very important later. And he talks about the springing of water from the earth.

00:37:02.760 These two elements specifically are deeply connected to our faith and our ancestors'

00:37:10.600 understanding of the cosmology um and i think that's what he's doing in this section is he's

00:37:17.980 he's laying reference to they don't believe in what we believe today but instead saw this and

00:37:23.920 and that's what leads them to believe and i think he's specifically choosing the mountains the

00:37:32.200 well springs the um the uh the boulder the animals why they're not all the same and and

00:37:40.240 why the sun and the stars he's he is uh loading up the story and i think it's very interesting

00:37:47.380 because all of these are kind of addressed um so uh he says from things like these the thought

00:37:55.840 stirred within them and there might be some governor of the stars of the heavens one who

00:38:01.340 might order the costas after his will and that he must be very strong and full of might this also

00:38:08.000 they held to be true, that if he swayed the chief things of creation, he must have been before the

00:38:15.240 stars of heaven. And they saw that if he ruled the courses of the heavenly bodies, he must also

00:38:21.100 govern the shining of the sun and the dews of the air and the fruits of the earth, whatsoever grows

00:38:26.920 upon it. And in like that manner, the winds of air and the storms of the sea, they knew not yet

00:38:32.720 where his kingdom was, but this they believed, that he ruled all things on the earth and in the

00:38:39.380 sky, the great stars also of heaven and the winds and the sea. Wherefore, not only to tell of this

00:38:48.000 fittingly, but also that they might fasten it to their memory. They gave names out of their own

00:38:54.560 minds to all things. This belief of theirs has changed in many ways, according as people drifted

00:39:01.980 asunder and their tongues became severed one from the other but all things they discerned with the

00:39:08.300 wisdom of the earth for the understanding of the spirit was not given to them this they perceived

00:39:14.220 that all things were fashioned of some essence so he is absolutely anointing his ancestors

00:39:26.620 with an understanding of divinity and faith but he gives that a kind of a caveat is that um they came

00:39:37.580 they they spoke a bit of their own minds and their own tongues because they knew not of uh yahweh or

00:39:45.980 the uh the splitting of uh at the tower of babel and so on and so forth um but he's doing this kind

00:39:54.140 of double-handedly um he and i think he is paving and and setting um a sense that there is a great

00:40:05.500 uh sense in what is about to be said it's just that again they were you know misguided

00:40:15.180 and um then we kind of shift into the euhemerism and uh oh sorry the last section i would like to

00:40:21.660 say you can really see the um philosophes of greece that affected both paganism and christianity at

00:40:30.940 its time um bringing forth the concepts of divinity not being simply of this or connected to this earth

00:40:41.420 but being beyond um that was i think a concept that they brought in

00:40:48.620 And in essence, it could be argued that they severed the connection between man and the divine, as in that man deeply believed that the gods were right here with us, able to watch, able to, there was a place that held up their home.

00:41:08.700 There was a strut. There was an axis windy. There was a mountaintop or mountains or a pole.

00:41:15.660 But they were here. And the philosophes were bringing in the idea that perhaps there is more spheres beyond our understanding.

00:41:26.080 And you kind of see that laid in that section. So now he switches to you hemorrhizing.

00:41:31.180 so pausing for a sec one thing that i'd like to kind of keep in mind again about um

00:41:38.140 just motivation and doing stuff sometimes on here i'll use the term mental gymnastics

00:41:44.780 um someone in the chat had mentioned that

00:41:50.700 just something something negative about the the need to link everything to um to troy and then

00:41:57.180 he said that people you know eventually ended up doing that with israel and i think that that's

00:42:05.420 that's spot on in a way i mean i think we already see that in this poem when it talks about you know

00:42:11.260 the patriarchs it talks about noah and the flood and adam and eve and stuff but one of the things

00:42:19.100 when you are when you have to entertain multiple things and somehow make them both be true when

00:42:29.860 they're contradictory we have a tendency to try to put these pieces together so i and i don't

00:42:37.860 negate influence of the philosophes or influence of of classical authors i think that's part of it

00:42:44.260 And I think that Snorri being someone who has a advanced education and is familiar with the Latin works that medieval scholars are familiar with at this time, or the Greek that's taken into the Latin, he would have access to some of that.

00:43:04.100 But I don't know that this is an attempt by him to lessen the gods.

00:43:13.780 I think that in a lot of ways, it's an attempt to make sense, which our folk, our people in general, are very good at doing, to make sense of things that are incongruent.

00:43:28.180 so he knows that the christian god has to be true because that's you you don't question that that's

00:43:36.900 the thing that's the only thing like that has to be true but he knows his ancestors were wise and

00:43:44.140 they weren't silly and so he's creating this like okay well christian god made all this stuff but

00:43:50.660 then everybody got amnesia and everybody forgot everything but so this is how they then went about

00:43:58.840 rebuilding uh understanding of the world that made sense um and i think it speaks to the integrity

00:44:06.960 that he thought our ancestors had he gave them a plausible out like okay well i guess everybody 0.88

00:44:11.980 else in the world except for this tribe of jews forgot everything so here's what they you know 0.85

00:44:18.080 here's how they made sense here's how we make sense of bridging the gap between those things 0.97

00:44:23.760 because he knew his ancestors were smart and he knew that the gods had power

00:44:30.480 but if they can't be really be gods then maybe they're like wizards but like he was

00:44:41.920 our best intentions when we know that certain things are have to be true but we have to make 0.80

00:44:46.800 sense of it you come up with very interesting mental gymnastics and they look silly from a

00:44:51.600 modern perspective perhaps they were silly then but i think that they're understandable when we

00:44:57.360 see people doing it today and i think that the uh the point made is often kind of brought up about

00:45:02.320 the you know british israelites or the you know what is the other the modern version of we was

00:45:13.680 jews um whatever that is christian identity guys yeah so yeah again you have to pretend things

00:45:22.400 you know you believe really strongly in your race and you want a an ethnically structured faith

00:45:30.240 but you're stuck knowing that you know your grandpa and your great grandpa and your great

00:45:34.240 great grandpa and all of that worship jesus so jesus has to be like a lone white guy

00:45:41.440 hanging out with the jews or something or like you have to come up with very strange

00:45:48.800 you have to add material to make the pieces fit to where this right king of the jews of the house of

00:45:55.280 david tracing his lineage back amongst you know the jewiest of the jews that's how you justify

00:46:02.720 your kingship of that people somehow that's a white guy and like you have to do really strange

00:46:11.840 mental gymnastics and i think that we see that at different times in different places i think 0.54

00:46:16.000 ironically the exact same thing you see by the black hebrew israelites right um which is funny

00:46:24.560 that ah somebody somebody beat me to it in the comments section so yeah it's the same thing yeah

00:46:31.680 you have to ignore these references of of him being called a jew and and he's accepting it

00:46:37.280 and then you're like no the jews of the bible are different than the jews of today and it's like so 0.90

00:46:41.200 the ones that crucified him are the good ones like it's well again and and a lot of the time

00:46:49.200 i think these are well-meaning people that struggle sometimes with very real consequence

00:46:56.560 other times with very deep-seated mental trauma to break free from stuff. And I don't think it is

00:47:03.360 dissimilar to Stockholm syndrome or to people that are raised by abusive parents or that come out of

00:47:11.740 abusive, horrible situations where you have to rationalize that somehow these people love you,

00:47:20.560 but these people also horribly mistreat you, but whatever, your brain forces you to try to make

00:47:27.380 sense of those things because the realization that that's not true is too traumatic. And sometimes

00:47:33.760 that's emotionally traumatic. Sometimes it is socially traumatic. Sometimes it is physically

00:47:39.400 like life or death traumatic. And I think some of that is at play. So I don't think it's

00:47:44.320 always a concocted thing now the other rival theory and both of these things can be true

00:47:51.240 is that it adds legitimacy to um the northmen to connect them to the noble houses of italy and like

00:48:02.080 to aeneas and to you know the founders of rome to those things there's a case to be made that

00:48:09.480 there's part of that too but i think both things can be at work and i think there's you know it's

00:48:16.460 easy to immediately see bad intention where sometimes people are desperately flailing to

00:48:22.260 make sense of things they know are true they know their ancestors were good people they know

00:48:26.980 the gods were very real and very important to their ancestors so they have to make that make

00:48:33.060 sense with the new doctrine that is being forced upon them with a lot of very strong

00:48:40.860 social means. So it's just something to keep in mind as we go through this. And I'm kind

00:48:45.420 of over, over beating up the point. So we can, we can go back to the, to the text.

00:48:53.840 Well, the, the, yeah, this, you, you hemorrhization begins at length and it, it does get very

00:49:00.280 interesting and there are some linguistic comparisons that don't i mean i think they're

00:49:06.840 more based on they sound close um together but um in section three of the men of troy

00:49:16.520 near the earth earth's center was made the goodliest of homes and the haunts that have ever

00:49:24.440 been which is called troy even that which we call turkland so on the center of the earth as that

00:49:33.240 reference is is that the known world at the time was again northern africa and europe and asia to

00:49:43.160 the east with the mediterranean being the center it was the center not only of uh the world for

00:49:50.040 many europeans it was the center of philosophy and uh writing and all these things so you can kind of

00:49:56.840 see what what he means of this but troy is there and in the land they call turklund this abode

00:50:05.640 was much more gloriously made than others and fashioned with more skill of craftsmanship

00:50:12.200 in manifold wise both in luxury and in wealth which was there in abundance there were 12

00:50:19.640 kingdoms, and one high king, and many sovereignties belonged to each kingdom. In the stronghold

00:50:27.260 were twelve chieftains. These chieftains were in every manly part greatly above other men

00:50:34.580 that have ever been in the world. One king among them was called Meunon, or Menon, and he had

00:50:45.460 wedded to the daughter the high king priam her who was called trojan or excuse me troon

00:50:55.700 they had a child named thror whom we call thor he was fostered in thrace which is north of greece

00:51:06.580 and i think he's making that connection because the thracians were

00:51:09.300 very much i think more uh indo-european culturally than the greeks were and they were generally seen

00:51:19.660 as uh wild in a lot of ways um he was fostered in thrace by a certain war duke named lauricus

00:51:28.500 who when he was 10 winters old he took unto him the weapons of his father he was as goodly to

00:51:36.080 look upon when he came among other men, as the ivory that is inlaid in oak. His hair was fairer

00:51:42.960 than gold, and when he was twelve winters old, he had his full measure of strength. He lifted clear

00:51:49.960 of the earth ten bearskins, all at one time, and then he slew Duke Lauricus, his foster father, 0.94

00:51:57.820 and with him his wife Laura, or Glora, and took into his own hands the realms of Thrace,

00:52:05.340 which we call Thrudheim. Then he went forth and far and wide over the lands and sought out every

00:52:13.120 quarter of the earth, overcoming alone all berserks and giants and one dragon, greatest of all dragons

00:52:20.280 and many beasts. And in the northern half of his kingdom, he found the prophetess Sybil, whom we

00:52:27.780 call Sif and wedded her. The lineage of Sif, I cannot tell. She was fairest of all women and

00:52:36.460 her hair was like gold. Their son, Loredi, which is Haiti of Thor, was assembled, who

00:52:44.700 resembled his father. His son was Einredi, another Haiti of Thor, the Lone Rider. And

00:52:52.740 his son Vingthor, his son Vingenir, his son Moda, his son Magi, his son Seskef, his son Bedvig,

00:53:06.220 his son Athra, whom we call Aunar, his son Iterman, his son Hermoth, who is also a human king of the Nordic period and also attested to be the son of Lord Odin.

00:53:26.240 His son Skjaldun, who we call Skjold.

00:53:31.640 His son Bjauf, or who we call Bjaur, or Bjaur.

00:53:37.300 His son Jaut, who we call, or his son Gudolver.

00:53:42.860 His son Finn.

00:53:44.820 That's an interesting one, too, because we know that Finn comes from the Irish language in Old Norse.

00:53:51.660 His son, Frielauf, whom we call Fredliver. His son was also named Voldin, whom we call Odin. He was a man far famed for wisdom and every accomplishment. And his wife was Frigida, whom we call Frigg.

00:54:12.440 So very interesting in this sense is that this piece proclaims that Thor is the conqueror that goes to Thrace and then starts to conquer the world and has many children.

00:54:35.760 And one of his children is Vodin, whom we call Odin.

00:54:44.720 And again, the way that this is kind of placed together, especially the one that really is clear is like Sybil and Seif.

00:54:53.460 These connections are almost grasping.

00:54:58.920 And they're also, again, very reminiscent of biblical and Mediterranean poems where there's the father begetting the son and this son and this son and this son and this son and so on and so forth.

00:55:13.980 Um, but you, we also see this in Ingetal where, um, that Lord Odin asks Njordh to stab him so he can go and see his god.

00:55:29.020 And then, uh, Njordh follows his kingdom, um, which I think is very interesting.

00:55:35.220 I, I, you know, theories that that's actually cults of worship, not actual euhemorized gods.

00:55:41.520 But so for Odin's journey to the north of the world, Odin had second sight and his wife also.

00:55:52.440 And from their foreknowledge, he found that his name should be exalted in the northern part of the world and glorified above the fame of all other kings.

00:56:01.300 Therefore, he made ready to journey out of Turkland and was accompanied by a great multitude of people, young folk and old men and women.

00:56:10.800 And they had with them much good and great price. And wherever they went over the lands of the earth, many glorious things were spoken of them so that they were held more like gods than men.

00:56:21.680 They made no end to their journeying until they came to the north into the land that is now called Soxland.

00:56:31.440 And that's very interesting considering where Saxony and or the old Saxony is in Germany.

00:56:43.220 There, Odin tarried for a long space and took the land into his own hand far and wide.

00:56:50.600 in that land set up three of his sons for land wardens one's name was veg deg he was a mighty

00:57:00.200 king and ruled over eastern saxland his son was vit gills his sons were vita hangister

00:57:09.400 or hangister's father cigar father of sveb deg whom we call sweep dog so he's a testing

00:57:19.400 historical people to um the stories and kind of again making this lattice work of i think ultimately

00:57:31.640 making allowances for this uh for the poems to be told the second son uh of odin was beldeg

00:57:39.880 whom we call balder he had the land which is now called westphalia his son was brander

00:57:48.600 his son fro uh frodigr whom we call frodi his son fray oven his son uvig his son gavis whom we call

00:57:59.080 gave odin's third son's name was sigi and his son rarir these are the forefathers who ruled over

00:58:07.320 what is now frankaland and and thence is descended the house of the volsungs so there he he is

00:58:15.960 Because we just covered all of the Volsunga sagas, he's placing in these connective tissues between historical and semi-historical kings and their descendancy from Lord Odin.

00:58:33.100 And I think that there is validity in that these kings did claim descendancy from Lord Odin, but he's rationalizing it in a kind of step-by-step way.

00:58:50.620 and from them sprung many great houses then odin began his way northward and came into the land

00:59:01.140 which is called a ride gottland or a ride gothland and in that land he took possession of all that

00:59:08.960 pleased him he said over the land that his son skjolder whom whose son was fred lever and then

00:59:17.820 descends the house of the skildings and these are the kings of the danes and what was then called

00:59:25.500 raid godland is now called jutland or denmark so again all of these the the the royal houses

00:59:37.900 uh and the descendancy from lord odin is an interesting subject in relation to this that i

00:59:44.060 think that the kings of these lands did you know they were of or connected to or claimed legitimacy

00:59:53.260 from lord odin but they didn't have it in a connective sense that he was joy they believed

00:59:59.980 lord odin as the god lord odin but snorty is saying no this is uh you know the passage of a

01:00:07.420 of a trojan uh king after the fall so i want to address something going on in the chat room

01:00:15.640 just to add some clarity you guys are fine everybody's having a fine discussion in there

01:00:21.280 let's get a little bit spirited about uh the norena society and their situation with the

01:00:28.040 afa and this and that and the other a couple of points after seeing stuff um

01:00:33.920 yes we should all it in a perfect world that's all working together would be the best thing to do

01:00:42.880 and i say this completely honestly that means the norana society should join the astro folk assembly

01:00:48.500 as long as they're not they are a distraction that pulls people away from joining together

01:00:57.160 and moving stuff forward and that's the sincere position of the astro folk assembly i understand

01:01:03.060 that the Norana Society guys would probably say the same thing,

01:01:08.780 but we also in AusTrue don't believe in equality.

01:01:15.380 Last I was told from Mark Puryear, and it's been a couple of years,

01:01:18.400 there was 20 members of the Norana Society

01:01:20.280 with well over 700 members of the AusTrue Folk Assembly.

01:01:28.240 It doesn't make sense for us to treat as equals.

01:01:31.640 it does make sense for them to join the team. And I wish that they would all do that. That said,

01:01:37.160 you mentioned something about intention and intention matters tons, but numbers and doing

01:01:42.740 this as a community matters a lot as well. So I don't care. And I don't think the gods care.

01:01:53.240 Well, and here's the thing, I don't, I don't want to overspeak. But I would think on the level of

01:02:00.260 caring, whether we stand in a circle or whether we stand in a, I don't know what they call the

01:02:07.100 tic-tac-toe formation. But if we stand in a grid, here's the thing. If we're all standing in a grid

01:02:17.860 and worshiping the gods, I think that is good and benefits the gods and brings them glory and makes

01:02:26.320 them happy. If we all stand in a circle and worship our gods sincerely, I think that makes

01:02:32.820 them happy and is something pleasing to them. I'm very curious if you can find the specifics

01:02:39.860 of where he gets that the Gothar used to wear red or the participants used to wear red and the

01:02:47.700 Gothar used to wear white. I'd be really interested in seeing that material. That's fascinating and

01:02:53.740 really cool. If you find it, I also, you know, think it would be odd because red is so hard

01:02:58.420 to come by for, you know, an average participant in that during our ancestors day, but that would

01:03:03.560 be really interesting. Um, I think as long as you are dressed respectfully, that's really

01:03:11.820 important. Um, if the re the way that you dress respective respectfully is with special red

01:03:18.840 garments that you wear for bloat, awesome. By all means, do that. If you dress respectfully by

01:03:25.440 wearing a shirt and a tie or a dress, if you're a lady or, you know, a suit, as long as you're

01:03:31.060 dressed with piety and reverence in what you're doing, I think that also pleases the gods.

01:03:38.280 The only time we've ever asked people to, certainly the only time I've ever been involved

01:03:43.660 been asking anyone to change or wear something different at an AFA event as if it has, you know,

01:03:49.420 profanity all over it or, you know, vulgar naked ladies on it, you know, straddling motorcycles

01:03:55.760 or something crass. Because again, because that's overtly impious. So I think that's really 1.00

01:04:03.780 important. I also think that doing things together as a group is very important. If you are a

01:04:10.320 solitary practitioner, it is much better than not being a practitioner at all. Absolutely, hands

01:04:16.120 down. Sometimes you find yourself in a spot where you don't have people around, and that's

01:04:21.180 unfortunate. One of the big missions of the Austro Folk Assembly is what our founder described as an

01:04:26.880 ingathering of the folk, is bringing our folk home and doing this as a community. Because I do think

01:04:33.020 certainly intent matters, but your intent is magnified when you're doing this with a community

01:04:39.200 and with a group when you do that it's worth more than the sum of its parts

01:04:45.280 the community was essential to our ancestors and is essential to us today so yeah worshiping with

01:04:50.480 a community is much better than worshiping by yourself but worshiping the gods is infinitely

01:04:58.800 better than not worshiping them at all so i think that's really important to point out too

01:05:03.120 um any picking up on tensions between the afa and the narana society they're long-standing

01:05:12.000 and they're developed over a long period of time and i understand there's somebody brand new to

01:05:16.480 this you know finds that distasteful and i don't want to spend a lot of time trashing them i think

01:05:22.300 that there is a lot of good scholarship that's been put in by the narana society i also take issue

01:05:30.080 with the directionality of a lot of their scholarship um mark purrier himself i think is

01:05:38.520 a very well-intentioned person um i don't think i think there are areas to where i think they're

01:05:46.020 very incorrect and yeah as i've said before i think the gods are best served if we all get on

01:05:54.200 the same team and i believe the afa is the team that ought to be under i think that ought to be

01:05:59.560 under the trihorns. And I stand on that, I believe, you know, a million percent. And I think

01:06:05.580 that, you know, reality bears that out. But I just wanted to put that out there because I know

01:06:11.380 there's some, you know, some back and forth and I don't want it to be nasty because I don't think

01:06:16.180 that it, you know, don't think that it needs to be. And I don't think that's where people were

01:06:20.980 trying with it. Keep in mind, sometimes people have strong opinions about it. It's because

01:06:25.120 they've been dealing with this particular rift oh for the better part of 10 years now at least

01:06:34.320 and some of their people have been particularly nasty in the past and i think that's where some

01:06:40.960 stuff comes from so that just is what it is uh that said we've got what i believe the last

01:06:49.440 piece of the prologue yes and uh so go ahead and take that to the folk if you will

01:06:57.760 all right so uh the fields and the choice of lands in that place seemed fair to odin

01:07:04.240 so he chose for himself a site of a city which is now called sigton victory town um

01:07:12.480 Well, Tuna's, yeah, not exactly directly to town, but there he established chieftains in the fashion which had prevailed in Troy.

01:07:31.000 He set up also 12 headmen to be doomsmen over the people.

01:07:36.920 Bear in mind the word doom doesn't mean what it means in our modern language.

01:07:40.560 It means to ordain or adjudicate the fate of the people in the land.

01:07:49.020 It's much more neutral in its meaning.

01:07:52.040 To be doomsmen over the people and to judge the laws of the land.

01:07:56.360 And he ordained also all laws as there had been before in Troy and according to the customs of the Turks.

01:08:04.960 After that, he went into the north until he had stopped by the sea,

01:08:09.100 which men thought lay around all the lands of the earth.

01:08:12.380 And there he set his son over his kingdom, which is now called Norway.

01:08:18.640 This king is Saimingur.

01:08:21.820 The kings of Norway trace their lineage from him,

01:08:24.960 and so do also the Jarls and other mighty men.

01:08:28.700 As it is said in the Haulejautal,

01:08:34.280 Odin had with him one of his sons called Ingvi, who was the king of Sweden after him, and those houses come from him.

01:08:47.620 They are named Inglings.

01:08:49.960 The Isir took wives of the land for themselves and some also for their sons, and these kindreds became many in number. 0.85

01:08:58.640 So throughout Saxlund and thence all over the region in the north, they spread out until their tongue and even the speech of the men of Asia was the native tongue over all the lands. 0.95

01:09:11.920 That's the key factor of understanding this attempt.

01:09:17.900 It kind of shoots the hole in the boat.

01:09:20.240 um uh therefore men think that they can proceed from their forefathers names which are written

01:09:27.760 down that those names belonged to this tongue and that the icier brought the tongue hither into the

01:09:34.240 northern regions into norway and into sweden and into denmark and into saxland but in england

01:09:41.280 there are ancient lists of land names and place names which may show that these names came from

01:09:47.200 another tongue than this and i think of course that's referencing to the britannic language um

01:09:54.080 along with the anglo-saxon but um the you know according to his understanding is that

01:10:01.360 the language of the north comes from asiatic uh and turkman or not even turkman but of troy um

01:10:14.240 but he kind of starts to bridge those very close together even though we know that's not the case

01:10:19.600 too so do we though we know that it doesn't come from turks right but in the flow of aryan migration

01:10:29.600 the language does come to norway by way of the caucuses by way of asia into europe and up

01:10:39.680 right no and i what i mean by this is the connection between troy and the north

01:10:44.640 oh i know i'm saying one of the things that i think it's funny because a lot of the time

01:10:51.040 ancient scholars again they're not foolish but they don't have access to the same information

01:10:55.280 that we do but it's interesting when they notice similarities and i think noticing that greek

01:11:04.240 and old norse share any commonality at all is kind of fascinating at that time and that i

01:11:14.800 mean that would substantiate trojans aren't speaking you know turkish or aramaic they're

01:11:20.320 speaking greek right well it's it's interesting asia minor was not a turkish place at this time

01:11:28.000 it was a greek place well certainly at the time of any of the information written down that he's

01:11:33.360 dealing with which is kind of interesting i think that it's funny because even despite

01:11:39.280 the obvious stuff some truths do seep through that are interesting right yeah the the source

01:11:46.720 of the language is both arian uh greek or mediterranean and arian norse all of that

01:11:54.000 comes you know from the migration of the arians out of the out of the steppes of asia 0.93

01:12:03.360 so uh Caucasians yeah right it's like right but wrong but still right 0.97

01:12:10.760 um oh so a thing just while we're on it and I figure it is good to throw in here um 0.98

01:12:20.700 so

01:12:30.940 so i should have thought about how i was going to connect the concepts before i open my mouth

01:12:38.400 but i'll roll with it um one of the things that i think is meaningful is

01:12:47.500 just follow me here and excuse me if i'm meandering but

01:12:54.620 there was a comment someone had made on on twitter the other day and it was some like

01:13:03.420 remarking how despite all this information and most people are much more familiar with

01:13:09.980 like the Iliad and the Odyssey

01:13:11.820 than they are the Eddas

01:13:13.380 that in modern

01:13:16.240 times

01:13:17.120 Alcitru has

01:13:19.980 been predominant

01:13:22.180 in the resurgence of

01:13:24.060 ancestral

01:13:24.960 pagan religious practice

01:13:27.960 over Olympian religion

01:13:30.220 and they're like

01:13:32.280 ah funny that just as kind of a

01:13:34.240 random note of

01:13:36.000 that's so strange

01:13:37.480 and it does seem odd

01:13:39.480 but I would posit that there is a divine hand at play in some of these things.

01:13:46.680 It's amazing that our material has made it to us from a state of being oral tradition for so long

01:13:53.560 into a place where it was codified, it was preserved, it was maintained. And as somebody

01:14:00.520 said in the chat very early on tonight, these manuscripts just weren't hanging around. The fact

01:14:08.080 that we're able to find them a new number of places in the way that we were preserved as well

01:14:12.500 as they were it's funny because we're so entitled all of us we you know gnash our teeth when we read

01:14:20.720 stuff in in poetica and there's like little like a line here or a line they're missing and we're

01:14:26.600 like ah if only we had the thing not not stopping to be appreciative of all of the lines that we do

01:14:35.100 have that is truly miraculous and a tremendous gift that's been handed down to us so it's really

01:14:42.520 cool that we have what we have and i don't think that's by random happenstance i think that's the

01:14:48.100 will of of the isere and i think that's part of the plan of lord odin um you know somebody was

01:14:56.100 asking oh yeah it's it's or you know in that same comment like it's amazing that you know

01:15:00.400 people know about odin but you know not a lot of people worship jupiter and i think that

01:15:04.780 And that's because this is what the king of the Aryan gods wanted to utilize to awaken his folk and to bring them home to their faith and to rebuild a thriving, structured religion between our folk and our gods.

01:15:26.780 this is what worked this is what inspired the people that were able to be successful

01:15:31.740 this is the terms and the names and the conception that the all father used to

01:15:40.020 awaken our folk soul and invigorate our people to come home and that's one of the reasons it's

01:15:45.780 very very special and one of the reasons i think it's appropriate for all aryan peoples to return 0.99

01:15:51.560 to alsatru because that is the that is the the terms that the all-father made that step to

01:16:02.100 re-establish that link and i think that's a very special thing that shouldn't go without notice

01:16:06.900 the fact that this was able to be preserved as well as it was the fact that little you know even

01:16:13.420 when it's it was right but then it's kind of wrong but even then it's kind of right

01:16:16.740 I think that's part of that very special divine hand at play in these things.

01:16:24.580 The machinations of Lord Odin and of Bragi and of that element in the soul of our people to preserve this.

01:16:34.420 And we're very thankful for it.

01:16:35.740 well we set ourselves into uh now that the structure and the framework and everything

01:16:48.060 is kind of placed in and then there is also the connection of lord odin and uh the kings

01:16:55.640 um and their descendancy uh kind of being linked to him uh traveling up and through which also i

01:17:03.280 think um has political and religious motivations um all of the kings of the nordic lands knowing

01:17:14.200 that they're descended in by they're being taught by their fathers and their father's

01:17:19.920 fathers and we're descended from lord othen then the religion shifts and uh this kind of excuses

01:17:29.040 the uh the reasoning uh that you know again lord oden was a uh a trojan moving up and that's why

01:17:40.560 that descendancy is there um and so it kind of keeps it which is again another preserving thing

01:17:47.960 but also kind of excuses it. So we move to the intro of the, I would say the corpus of

01:17:59.800 the story with the poetic injections that we will see throughout where there is explanation

01:18:09.680 and then there's substantiation by poems. But we begin with number one of King Galfi and Gavion.

01:18:17.960 king uh gelvi ruled the land that men now call sweden it is told of him that he gave a wandering

01:18:27.560 woman in return for her merrymaking a plow of land in his realm as much as four oxen might turn up

01:18:36.140 in a day and a night but this woman was one of the kin of the icier she was named gevion the giver 0.83

01:18:44.540 She took from the north, out of Jotunheim, four oxen, which were the sons of a certain giant and her, and set them before the plow.

01:18:58.220 And the plow cut so wide and so deep that it loosened up the land, and the oxen drew the land out into the sea and to the westward and stopped in a certain sound.

01:19:10.360 There, Gevion set the land and gave it a name, calling it Seilund, or Zeeland.

01:19:19.400 And from that time on, that spot whence the land had been torn up is water.

01:19:25.740 It is now called Luger in Sweden, and bays lie in that lake, even as the headlands in Seeland.

01:19:35.740 Thus says Bragi, the ancient scald, and this is where he quotes. So he'll often load a quote with a mention of the poet.

01:19:47.300 um gavion drew drew from gilvy gladly the wave troves freehold till from the running beasts

01:19:59.000 sweat reeked to denmark's increase so away from sweden closer to denmark so these are of course

01:20:07.260 the islands in between denmark and sweden the oxen bore more over i ate eyes gleaming brow lights

01:20:15.320 over the field's wide booty and four heads in their plowing.

01:20:22.020 I think it's just interesting to note that this translation deviates from the Old Norse where

01:20:29.220 the eight eyes leveled is clearly speaking about the oxen, but that the plow digs a grievous wound

01:20:38.760 into the land, pulling the land apart. So this point, I think, is worth mentioning, too, is

01:20:50.420 Gavion, she goes eastward, she goes to Jotunheim, she goes to the land as if, you know, it is

01:21:00.760 connected all she um it's not kind of a a portal or a plane or something no she goes there and she

01:21:09.880 comes back and the four oxen are shaped or uh in in the shape of oxen from her connection with a

01:21:22.280 and the land is moved one of the things i think about in mythos is the allegory of

01:21:32.840 the goddesses especially many of the goddesses in our faith are deeply connected to the earth

01:21:40.680 just as many of the gods are deeply connected to the sky and we see this moving of the islands

01:21:47.320 between Sweden and Denmark, and they're stating that these pairings or pullings apart were done

01:21:58.040 in this case, though we don't have any evidence of King Galfi mentioned as being a king outside

01:22:06.360 of here. There are many other mentions of Gevion, but this is where we get the plow connection with

01:22:14.600 gevion there's also a mention that the four oxen are just jotens and not her children um so you do

01:22:21.640 see some conflict of mentioning um in there but in this account they are her children and she pulls

01:22:30.280 this and that is um her land which would also uh you know lead some people and you know we don't

01:22:40.280 know, but that like, for instance, with Forseti and the Netherlands being, especially an island

01:22:47.440 off the coast of the Netherlands, being sacred to the holy god Forseti, that this island,

01:22:54.180 Zeeland, is holy to Gavion. Again, it also demonstrates power. The idea that you can get

01:23:04.160 As much land as you can plow in a day, that's your land. 1.00

01:23:08.180 And then she takes and makes an island. 0.99

01:23:12.340 Well, we got a sec.

01:23:15.140 Shannon bought us three coffees.

01:23:17.540 It's a $15 donation.

01:23:18.860 Thank you, Shannon.

01:23:19.580 We appreciate it greatly.

01:23:24.080 Yeah.

01:23:26.760 As they go from there, this is the introduction now.

01:23:30.080 uh this is what brings uh king galfi's attention real quick i do have a question directly related

01:23:37.900 to this so she kind of i don't know if you want to use the word tricks but she kind of uses her

01:23:46.100 own methods to get the better end of this deal how is this too terribly difficult from

01:23:54.900 the giant building the wall

01:23:57.660 he uses his own methods

01:24:00.940 this

01:24:02.900 what's really going on here though

01:24:05.280 is this merrymaking

01:24:06.440 is an interesting point

01:24:09.380 the merrymaking or

01:24:11.340 entertainment

01:24:14.220 going there and perhaps

01:24:17.180 singing songs, telling poetry

01:24:19.520 so on and so forth

01:24:20.860 out of a kindness

01:24:22.440 he says

01:24:23.740 um you know you can plow as much as much land as you can that will be your land i'm giving you that

01:24:31.340 and then she takes the island and this really is the instigator as to why king galfi goes

01:24:38.240 to the ice here i think that that's its point i also think that this links or hints towards

01:24:46.300 the island being sacred to that goddess and that perhaps this is kind of a connective story

01:24:53.640 that explains that or lays it out into framework.

01:25:00.080 And again, even going further and deeper in,

01:25:04.260 I don't see it to be incorrect

01:25:08.660 when you talk about goddesses

01:25:10.660 who are deeply connected to the earth,

01:25:12.400 as well as the Jotans

01:25:13.780 and this kind of movement of land and mountains

01:25:17.540 and islands and so on and so forth

01:25:20.240 um as kind of a divine meta-narrative of how these things happen but i think ultimately this

01:25:29.520 is to instigate king galfi to go finding the icier and talking to them because how could this

01:25:37.240 be done you know this is so fantastically magical um that he has to go and find out

01:25:43.380 and and that's really the reason why it's it's written it's written in the beginning

01:25:49.700 and it instigates the entirety of the story um but i think you know in some of the stories when

01:25:57.920 we see uh lord ovin and njord and their actual kings of sweden um that these are probably

01:26:05.780 cults of worship the the the focus of the divine of the royal houses was towards ovin

01:26:12.280 And then it shifted over to Njordh or back to Njordh or to Freyr.

01:26:20.020 And that's kind of an explanation, but the story just plays it out as they're actually people.

01:26:27.640 And we see a lot of this in these stories.

01:26:31.680 Ultimately, you know, I'm of the belief that our poems and our stories are not just from this telling of King Galfi,

01:26:41.380 But, of course, of the first who walked amongst the folk, Kvasir, after the war between the gods of the earth and the water and of the sky and the fire, they unify with Kvasir and he goes amongst the folk and speaks to them and tells them things.

01:27:00.700 And I think that these stories come from that, from him, and have traveled with our understanding as our people have gone.

01:27:11.380 But this is, again, another telling, a kind of instigation story where Snorty places King Galfi as getting a huge chunk of his land taken, and now he has to go and find out who these people are.

01:27:31.920 And it also says because he is also a man of trickery and magic, so that's another reason why he has to go.

01:27:41.380 Um, there's not so much a sense of, of, um, Gavion saying, you know, I'll entertain you, but, you know, my price is that I want this and I want that.

01:27:55.360 There's none of that.

01:27:56.460 She, she comes in and entertains the court and as a gift, he gives her this, but she is, of course, the mighty, one of the mighty Aesir.

01:28:07.760 and so this instigates his his uh move so i don't think it has a ton of parallels

01:28:13.760 between that and say like the walls of ausgarver um there was no trickery on her part she didn't

01:28:23.460 um ask for the land she wasn't trying to do any of that um

01:28:29.400 so uh we move into the next section uh in the hall doorway gilvy saw or

01:28:41.400 excuse me wait a minute i skipped a section so uh galvy goes to or came to iosgard in section two

01:28:52.060 king galvy was a wise man skilled in magic just like i had said he was uh much troubled that the

01:28:59.280 Iser people were so cunning that all things went according to their will. He pondered whether this 0.56

01:29:05.000 might proceed from their own nature or whether the divine powers which they worship might ordain

01:29:11.880 such things. So he set out on his way to Ausgard, going secretly and clad himself in the likeness

01:29:19.860 of an old man. And I think this is important to note, our ancestors, you know, for them to say

01:29:27.860 king galfi is going from sweden to ausgarth there is not again a portal or some uh lost

01:29:38.460 sense of things i believe our ancestors felt that the gods were um connected to this plane

01:29:46.480 that they were upwards perhaps in the center of the world but the accessibility of the gods coming

01:29:53.280 down and moving into Jotunheim or into Midgard. And that Midgard is being the middle world,

01:29:59.220 not because of upper, middle, and lower, but because in between Niflheim, Muspelheim,

01:30:06.940 Jotunheim, and Vanaheim makes Midgard the middle place, but is enclosed, hence the word Garther.

01:30:16.260 but um he he goes there he goes to uh ausgard and he goes in uh disguise

01:30:27.380 he sets out his way going secretly and clad himself in the likeness of an old man

01:30:33.600 with which he dissembled but the icer were wiser in their matter having second sight they saw his

01:30:41.480 journeying before he even came there and prepared against him the deceptions of the eye when he came

01:30:48.760 into the town he saw there a hall so high that he could not easily make out the top of it its

01:30:56.240 thatching was laid with golden shields after the fashion of the shingled roof so also says

01:31:03.200 Theold Alfer of Finn that Valhall was thatched with shields. And then the poem. So this, of course,

01:31:13.740 he's going into Valhall. On their backs they let beam, sore battered with stones, Othyn's hall

01:31:21.160 shingles the shrewd seafarers. And this, of course, he's making reference to the shield

01:31:28.480 the soldier or the warrior, the seafarers, the viking. And then it cuts back to the story.

01:31:39.240 In the hall doorway, Gelvi sees a man juggling with hand axes, having seven in the air at one

01:31:48.980 time this man asked of him his name and he called himself gang lady that the the long traveled the

01:31:58.420 weary traveler um and said he had come by the paths of the serpent and prayed for lodging for

01:32:06.900 the night so he had he had traveled um either you know there's paths of the serpent being of of

01:32:17.220 water or of the lower paths, the paths through grottos and some say, you know, tunnels or

01:32:25.660 something of that nature. But he says that, you know, he's traversed treacherous lands and he

01:32:31.620 wants to seek lodging. And he asked, who owns the hall? And the other replied that it was their king.

01:32:40.260 And I will attend thee to see to him. Then shalt thou thyself ask him concerning his name.

01:32:47.220 And the man wheeled about before him into the hall and went after, and straightaway the door was closed, itself on his heels.

01:32:56.180 So it magically closes.

01:32:58.440 And again, I think this is purposeful.

01:33:00.940 It's building theatrical storytelling and poetics.

01:33:07.620 So the door closes on his heels on its own.

01:33:10.340 And there he saw a great room, and there were much people, some with games, some with drinking,

01:33:16.400 some had weapons and were fighting then he looked about him and thought unbelievable many things he

01:33:22.720 saw and he said this all the gateways air one goes out should one scan for it's certain where sit

01:33:31.160 the unfriendly on the bench before thee he quotes the halvamal in essence it's a um this translated

01:33:40.700 version is different, but it is again, be weary of walking through the door. You don't know where

01:33:46.880 your enemies are. And so he's saying this one as the storytellers reemphasizing it to the audience,

01:33:53.380 but also that he is of wisdom and he is weary much of what he's seeing despite all the grandness of

01:34:01.500 it so he walks into the throne room and there he sees three high seats each above the other now

01:34:11.400 I know that some folks might think this means like they're stacked on top of each other but

01:34:18.660 a high seat um is again a station seat built on the height of it the back of it so high seats

01:34:30.280 had pillars that usually held the backing of it so it would be i think more historically accurate

01:34:38.200 to say that uh there were three seats and the backs of them each got higher um

01:34:47.480 than thinking that there are three on a scaffolding if you will um so he saw the high seats

01:34:55.400 high renown seats and each above the other the three men sat there on each and he asked what

01:35:01.880 might be the name of those lords he who had conducted him uh in the answer that one who was

01:35:09.720 sat on the northmost high seat was a king and his name was howr the high one but next to him was

01:35:19.480 was Yavanhar, even high, or even as in of the same level. So just as high. And he who is in the third

01:35:30.720 uppermost is called Thridi, the third. And of course, this is a huge part of the tripartite.

01:35:39.780 We see the triplication. We see it in the temple of Uppsala where Thor is in the center and Adam of Bremen says that the furious one and the fruitful one are beside him.

01:35:54.060 So, you know, the theory that I have been placing forth through our clergy and understanding is that the tripartite is such an intricate part of Arian faith, that it's in every Arian branch, and that it's so influential that even Christianity picked it up after it was inundated in Europe.

01:36:18.060 so there's no difference here that the tripartite is presented um and he who's uh sorry then uh

01:36:28.220 howard asked the newcomer whether his errand were more than for the meat and drink which were always

01:36:34.820 at his command so are you here for refuge and are you here for a meal or is there something more

01:36:40.840 that you are here for. He answered that he first desired to learn whether there were any wise men

01:36:50.080 there within. And Hauer said that he should not escape whole from thence unless he were wiser.

01:36:57.680 So he will certainly know the answer to his question, whether he likes it or not,

01:37:05.900 and whether or not he's wise enough to understand it and stand thou forth who sparest who answers

01:37:14.940 he shall sit so they ask him to take a seat and ask away all right so we're an hour and a half in

01:37:25.900 um i talked to svan earlier and i don't

01:37:29.340 this one is particularly important so i don't want to rush it i we're not done for tonight i just

01:37:37.020 throwing that out there we are finally into the meat of the poem everything to this point has been

01:37:43.180 to set up the characters and the situation to break down the truth to the folks and um

01:37:53.420 yeah that's really important to the poetic setup to where this is we have written a

01:38:04.860 a story to explain where we are what we're doing how we get here and now through um

01:38:13.660 through guilty we're getting what the story is like what is the what are the mysteries of the

01:38:24.800 universe and this is getting you know the most faithful and best preserved version of what

01:38:31.860 exactly our ancestors believed so one thing and one of the reasons this is so very appealing

01:38:40.040 is since the dawn of modern Alcitru,

01:38:46.100 there has been this big nebulous, like,

01:38:49.300 well, what do you guys believe?

01:38:51.480 Well, I don't know.

01:38:52.100 We kind of believe this thing.

01:38:53.900 And then these people kind of believe this other thing.

01:38:56.580 And then maybe this thing.

01:38:59.900 This is literally that question,

01:39:01.980 but with clear answers of this is what we believe.

01:39:06.940 This is what this is.

01:39:08.960 And it's presented here the most complete in a guy who comes in and doesn't know anything about the Aesir and says, hey, what is this house of truth thing?

01:39:25.580 Cool, let's answer your questions.

01:39:27.660 And he goes through a question and answer thing to where in this exchange, it's laid out to the reader, through the court of Europe, to whoever is approaching this material that doesn't have this information.

01:39:49.460 Okay, cool.

01:39:50.440 I have no idea what these Viking guys think.

01:39:52.880 What is this thing?

01:39:54.000 all right here it is laid out in the most clear way that we have from our ancestors day

01:40:01.840 and i think that's very very important and looking at it in that light i think

01:40:07.860 we often have people who don't have a point of reference you know that are like hey what

01:40:15.800 what is this what do you guys do what do you guys believe

01:40:19.000 I have tried the best that I can in the true log model to do my version of this, but not nearly as poetically and not, you know, I'm not comparing it to the masterwork of Snorri Sturluson.

01:40:36.220 Um, but it is the attempt to answer these kinds of questions for folks that are curious,

01:40:42.320 just like you have people now that have never heard of the Aesir that have never heard of

01:40:47.540 Alcetru that may be familiar with Odin and Thor in the most loose possible way.

01:40:55.580 This, this is that, and it's questions that we run into all the time.

01:41:00.300 Um, I regularly have interactions that are kind of cool with my local Mormon elders.

01:41:10.640 So the park that I take Aubrey to here often is directly in the route of where these guys

01:41:16.040 ride their bicycles.

01:41:17.740 And so they come through and I have been really happy now.

01:41:20.500 Now I've cycled through several, several elders now, cause they kind of rotate on their mission.

01:41:24.780 um each of these elders is in their very early 20s if that but they I appreciate they want to

01:41:34.560 talk to me about religion they want to talk to me about theirs I've got tons of questions

01:41:40.400 I'm fascinated and really curious about the intricacies of the latter-day saints how they

01:41:45.960 operate but what I'm really happy with they spend equal amount of time asking me about

01:41:52.280 also true and genuinely like they'll sit there and talk to me for an hour about also true stuff

01:41:58.660 and like what we do and what we believe and um it's really it's nice to have that exchange it's

01:42:08.040 nice to have those conversations what i've experienced with like jehovah's witnesses

01:42:12.460 they don't really want to talk about it they are nice like oh okay okay okay but let me tell you

01:42:18.380 about the new system of Jehovah and whatever, their questions are just a nicety to get to their

01:42:24.720 preaching effort. These guys, it's been cool because every single conversation probably had

01:42:31.100 10, 12 conversations that have been, you know, hour, hour and a half long, just talking about

01:42:37.020 religion and talking about what we do versus what they do. But the reason I bring it up is it comes

01:42:42.640 to this kind of thing oh well what do you believe about this well what was who created the world

01:42:49.160 then well then what was there before that then cool these are your how many of these gods are

01:42:54.120 there well okay well tell me about this one man that sounds cool tell me more very very similar

01:43:01.280 to questions that you will see in this exchange so it's it's very relevant to the world that we

01:43:08.740 live in. And I think that's, that's cool. But yeah, I'm

01:43:13.700 excited in this. This is one of my favorites. So I'm, I'm

01:43:16.540 looking forward to us going through it. We do have

01:43:19.660 questions stacking.

01:43:23.740 Yeah, I was I was wondering if you wanted to do this, like in a

01:43:26.320 two parter.

01:43:28.900 Yeah, so I figured now because we're about to break into the

01:43:32.260 meat of the work, I think it'd be a good time to go through the

01:43:35.260 questions that we have do a little bit more and then see if

01:43:38.560 we have some additional questions. So, all right. What from Austin or from Caleb, what

01:43:54.320 is etir spelled e-i-t-r it's poison and it's poison in a couple of different

01:44:08.800 it is literally poison or some sources say like pus um it's also poetically like

01:44:18.800 strife or evil intention but again all of those things being something today like i

01:44:29.040 got a poison tongue are you putting poison in the horn that kind of an expression of

01:44:35.360 you know some kind of baleful liquid that is poisonous i think it also is a word for

01:44:42.000 venom in that same poison context um and bitter fluid like even vinegar sometimes is referred to

01:44:51.520 like that taste that like somebody putting vinegar in the or like uh what is it you get

01:44:58.000 flies bitter almonds yeah it's just this uh bitterness and resentfulness and poison

01:45:05.760 So next one, in Vafthruthnismal, Odin asks the giant Vafthruthnir about the origin of

01:45:21.040 Ymir. Vafthruthnir answers. All right, I'm doing my best. Question was posed in the Old

01:45:30.640 norse so bear with me or elvigam

01:45:38.480 stuko that's not a question that was me giving you context for it 0.51

01:45:48.480 oh well then they put it in my question queue jerk all right so yeah but you saved me so i'll

01:45:57.600 i'll spare the lash on that one um all right actual question i have a question about the

01:46:05.840 afa homeschool program as a non-member with a young daughter closing in on school age is it

01:46:13.360 possible to get the curriculum in some form i'm aware only members can be enrolled and use the

01:46:19.520 afa support system but as becoming a member isn't an option just curious if i could make use of the

01:46:26.960 curriculum on my own for her i assume not but just throwing it out there um

01:46:36.560 raises a couple of questions but first and foremost to answer the question you asked

01:46:41.120 no and i've asked so

01:46:47.520 i've had a discussion with our law speaker who's a practicing attorney and he says one of the

01:46:54.480 important things about it to keep our ability to have control of the material and to make it

01:47:01.840 as specific to our values and our doctrine as possible we do have to limit it to members of

01:47:08.720 our church um but i'm very sympathetic to you wanting to do that and i if you reach out on

01:47:18.480 the side we do have people that could try to direct you and help you with some homeschooling

01:47:22.640 researching because it's really important and i would love to see the very best outcome for you

01:47:29.040 and your daughter in your homeschooling you know efforts i think it's really important um also

01:47:36.000 uh how come you can't be a member and uh i'm asking it rhetorically i don't necessarily

01:47:41.680 expect you to respond but something to think about if you can become a member if you are

01:47:47.840 heterosexual white and not in an interracial relationship i would strongly urge you to

01:47:54.240 consider becoming a member um if there's questions or concerns that maybe we could work through i

01:48:00.000 think that would be worth doing and i'd love to help out in that any way i can if it's one of

01:48:06.240 those other things and you you actually can't be a member then that's unfortunate and i still really

01:48:12.160 salute your efforts to homeschool your daughter. Svahn, can you talk a little on tattoos in

01:48:21.240 Ausatru? Are they allowed or encouraged? Some claim they are more of a masculine thing.

01:48:27.220 What are your thoughts? Yeah, I think tattooing is a very interesting subject. It would be,

01:48:35.500 And I've spoken about this before in the lore.

01:48:39.420 If we go by the lore, then our Nordic ancestors would not know what an owl is or that an owl didn't exist in their language.

01:48:52.060 And then there's only one reference to an owl mentioned.

01:48:55.320 And it's not even an owl.

01:48:56.440 It's the owl's beak.

01:48:57.700 And that's part of a component list.

01:49:01.720 But we know that our ancestors knew about owls.

01:49:05.500 And so what you end up getting is there's a lot of people online that will tell you, hey, there's not even a native word for tattoo.

01:49:14.920 So it must not have existed.

01:49:18.800 And yet the only thing that kind of repeatedly proves that that's probably not true is the evidence like, you know, again, Otzi man or Otzi, the preserved body in the Swiss Alps.

01:49:35.500 having interesting tattoos that may have been part of medicinal uses we don't know is it just

01:49:41.740 theorizing um but they're hardly almost scythian look to them yes yeah and that well there's

01:49:50.300 another part is the the scythians um and and the referencing to them uh with having pictures we

01:49:58.140 We also have the Siberian or just the shamanist with the beautiful stag tattoo.

01:50:07.380 So I think we have lots of evidence.

01:50:09.280 I just think that the word that was utilized for them probably was not a specific word, but a co-word like pictures.

01:50:20.740 They had pictures on their bodies.

01:50:23.760 So they're, you know, and this, of course, I'm using that word specifically.

01:50:27.440 Because of the usage of the word picked and when the in Latin and this kind of there's theories that there's mistranslations on the blue or whether they were wearing red, which would be really crazy considering load and the blue dye.

01:50:45.320 But the idea of the word probably, you know, being pictures or etchings or drawings probably were applied to tattoos as well.

01:50:59.280 So we have evidence that they were there, but there are people that desperately try to say, no, there's no native word for it, so it didn't happen.

01:51:07.540 And I think that's folly. I think that's something that scholars and kind of, again, they're trying to look through or understand a culture like reading through the receipts in the trash.

01:51:23.680 They're trying to understand the dinner at the table by going through the receipts that they bought the food with.

01:51:31.800 They're not looking at the entirety of the picture.

01:51:34.280 They're not looking at what survives.

01:51:36.980 They're not looking at the general view of it.

01:51:40.940 So, European anti-tattoo mindset really comes from Judaic, biblical, and Christian, which is just a subsect of Judaism, brought by Saul into Europe.

01:52:01.860 And they carried that, the scarification of the skin as a taboo.

01:52:08.100 Though some would argue, again, I have heard Christians argue that there are mentions of it. But of course, all of that is in Europe. Is there a huge tattooing culture? I don't think so, actually. 0.91

01:52:22.020 I think that there may have been, just like with writing, a heavy magical and medicinal view of the usage of it.

01:52:34.420 So that it was very specialized and I think more niche.

01:52:44.040 We don't know.

01:52:45.220 We don't know if there was painting on the skin.

01:52:48.020 I mean, we know that they used dye in their hair. 0.91

01:52:50.480 We know that they did paint their skin for a war. Tacitus' Germania talks about the red hair dye, talks about how they slathered their skin in dark soot in order to camouflage them during night raids. 0.71

01:53:04.940 And I don't know the source, but in Julius Caesar's Gaul, in the Gaulish Wars, he mentions that they have a multitude of tattoos and pictures on the body.

01:53:22.660 But again, we don't know if they're temporary or permanent, and we don't understand the context and their usage.

01:53:30.660 but i do believe that it was done and it was done probably at different levels for different groups

01:53:38.060 in uh europe in the you know whether it's the gauls or or the germanics and to what levels

01:53:45.540 that they were done at or perhaps what associations they had um i don't think that they were not done

01:53:52.760 like at all and that's what blew my mind is when people saying like there's no word so therefore

01:53:59.240 it didn't happen um but as far as modern house of true goes i think that uh there's not necessarily

01:54:09.640 so much a taboo against it but i think usage and consideration is important and i think that's

01:54:17.000 across the board um you know you shouldn't uh just do something like that frivolously um

01:54:24.600 And you do find people who in different stages of their life have done that, but it's not necessarily so much something that's forbidden. 0.95

01:54:37.340 And I think our culture, modern Ausatruz culture parallels to modern American culture, but with more of a sense of, you know, don't do things that are stupid. 0.99

01:54:51.020 Don't get things that are stupid. Don't get things that you'll regret and so on and so forth. 0.98

01:54:54.820 Like kind of a commonality of understanding about tattoos rather than say that there is some absolute no or absolute yes, you should get tattoos.

01:55:06.960 I don't think that that kind of falls. And we see that a lot with many other things that were mentioned. Piercings and the the evidence of piercings versus the descriptors.

01:55:20.380 The descriptors are very low. There are possible piercings. And then, of course, like jewelry and adornment. Julius Caesar did say that the Gauls, bear in mind, he didn't quite know the difference between Germanics and Gauls.

01:55:37.200 they were kind of all the same. Wearing gold as adornments, wearing rings, wearing necklaces or

01:55:44.800 neck torques, you know, that all of these adornments were very popular. So we have like

01:55:52.620 ideas of how, or mustaches and beards. Sometimes they wore mustaches, sometimes they cut their

01:56:00.940 beards off and just wore mustaches, or sometimes they had beards. I think that a lot of this is

01:56:05.900 just like it is today. These trends kind of go up and go down and they're localized or what have

01:56:12.280 you. You know, it's much more, I think, an issue of the world of men than it is perhaps say from

01:56:19.220 the gods. But the anti-tattooing comes from early Christianity and Judaism. And then it has also

01:56:28.840 morphed based on people's perceptions of the way things have been said um throughout but

01:56:36.920 i don't know that's like all i can really yeah so i mean archaeologically if our ancestors did or

01:56:44.840 didn't you know who's to say uh in modern house true is there a you know position on tattoos

01:56:53.560 no except don't get ugly ones um and i say that i you know i obviously say that to be glib for a

01:57:00.920 second but beauty is important to our full beauty looks different to different people in different

01:57:09.480 ways but some things are just kind of ugly so i think that as a general rule think about what

01:57:19.640 you're doing if you're putting in any words make sure they're spelled correctly

01:57:28.760 but yeah don't get stuff you're gonna regret because it sticks with you but i would say that

01:57:35.640 more also true are than not have tattoos i'd say it is i don't have any tattoos and that is

01:57:45.160 is you know i am the minority in that sense um there's nothing against it i think that

01:57:54.440 you know in your issue of whether it's masculine or feminine

01:57:59.720 we have a lot of people and again this goes with trends

01:58:06.840 we had a large period of excess in the west that has disgusted many of us and we are trying to

01:58:15.160 regain a level of nobility that our parents' generation and, you know, our generation has

01:58:23.440 forsaken. And part of that is a revolt against degeneracy that tends to lend towards

01:58:33.820 over prudishness. That's not necessary. If you want to

01:58:42.300 dress and look in a style that you feel harkens back to a period of our ancestors that you think

01:58:52.720 was more wholesome, so you want to have a very, I don't know, 1930s and 40s haircut,

01:59:03.820 and not have tattoos because that's part of your aesthetic i think that's cool that's awesome

01:59:11.420 um i don't fault that or think that's wrong i do think it's wrong if we are overly 1.00

01:59:17.340 oh that girl has tattoos she's clearly you know trash i think that's going several steps too far 1.00

01:59:25.260 uh i have seen beautiful tattooing on women seen hideous tattooing on women i've seen really cool 0.99

01:59:31.420 tattoos on guys and i've seen really dumb and ill thought out tattoos on folks i think that

01:59:37.420 kind of goes a number of places what i will say is we exist in a social matrix and

01:59:49.900 as much as we might not like some things in the world that we live in reality is reality if you

01:59:55.340 get a bunch of face tattoos people are going to look at you a certain way and they're going to

01:59:58.940 lessen your the perception that most people have of you and i'm not saying that's fair

02:00:09.260 or good it's not an also true principle but it is you know it affects how people look

02:00:18.020 at you reputation matters so having tattoos that you know fit in with acceptable social

02:00:26.620 beauty standards make sense having tattoos that you know radically deviate from those

02:00:33.180 have social consequences and that's worth considering before you do stuff but as a matter of

02:00:38.300 of doctrine um no there's no prohibition of tattoos there's a lot of very cool um

02:00:47.900 house true related tattoos i've seen some amazing work people have had done so

02:00:51.660 So yeah, I will and I would further say that in modern house to true. The majority of folks

02:00:58.520 have some to have at least one tattoo. In my experience.

02:01:03.420 What else we got? I have a few questions. After Speckinger Svon's Lanveteer lesson. One,

02:01:19.960 mentioned silver being an expeller. Do you think this is

02:01:24.280 where the theme in stories and games of certain monsters only

02:01:27.480 being able to be harmed by silver comes from? What's that

02:01:31.560 useful? Yes, there there is connections between metals and

02:01:37.800 different metals having special effects. And I believe the

02:01:44.520 connection is the metal is from the land, but it is formulated

02:01:48.400 by by menfolk and then it thus has special properties i think that that's kind of actually

02:01:55.120 applied to many sacred things like beer and mead uh it is harvested it is brought together it's

02:02:04.400 formulated it's brewed and then it's given over to the gods because it's something that was kind

02:02:10.960 of made it so it has this property of sacredness the same as with metallurgy the um the idea of

02:02:19.680 this i think really kind of comes from gold and silver then bronze and then from the bronze age

02:02:28.160 to the iron age and that's why we also see iron having deep connections to um kind of expelling

02:02:35.680 foul spirits is is i think ultimately what this all boils down to is the process of making it

02:02:44.080 is what makes it sacred it's uniquely human because it's purified it's

02:02:50.160 are you know it's smelted and purified and brought together and formulated into um

02:02:57.680 a pure form that that humans have and then then it is attributed to defending against

02:03:05.200 certain things uh in the mediterranean silver was also used to expel many things ghosts and so on

02:03:13.600 um etchings on silver um and you know that would explain it in a sense because bronze was a

02:03:21.760 wonderful um mixed metal that they used for everything but silver was unique and so we

02:03:29.280 find that also with gold and then from the bronze age to the iron age as iron becomes this

02:03:34.880 first it's this unique metal it also is smelted and brought forth and attributed to being able to

02:03:43.760 fend off you know terrible things and that's why like for our land whites prayer you know as we're

02:03:50.400 ringing the bells the bells that we use are um brass bells not iron bells um but that also to

02:03:58.240 iron in association with lord thor and the expelling of malicious spirits is that their

02:04:05.360 obvious connection there so um you know yes that's i mean i think that's ultimately the reason

02:04:12.720 is those creations of those metals having specific points in the culture

02:04:18.960 of expelling against things that are terrible

02:04:21.040 if you had to get a new mjolnir and the price wasn't a factor what metal would you choose

02:04:37.360 for its properties gold silver iron etc

02:04:41.760 is that there you you got that one um it's directed at you but i would get gold i think

02:04:53.040 a gold mjolnir would be awesome just be very expensive uh one of these days let's say you

02:05:00.560 yeah i i mean i would say gold because of its cultural significance to us today though i do

02:05:07.120 like iron obviously mine is iron and for the you know the expulsion of of ill spirits bronze of

02:05:17.040 course would also be fitting um considering the bronze axes and the bronze hammer axes

02:05:24.000 um but again we see this um the metal being significant and mentioned as being significant

02:05:32.640 but i think we should look deeper and understand what it is is that this smelting of the metal

02:05:38.880 and this creation by our hands with its intent is the true point of its being sacred

02:05:51.680 plus i like gold in the sense that it just doesn't lose its luster you don't don't have to um uh

02:05:59.440 shine it the patina of it is it's not theirs and it's fancy um gold gold is very expensive and

02:06:08.960 it's getting harder and harder excuse me it's getting harder and harder to come by

02:06:14.480 um for the for normal people it is to where it is very difficult now for someone to get

02:06:20.640 you know gold wedding bands uh in a way that it wasn't for our uh our parents generation or their

02:06:28.560 parents generation so gold gold's hard to come by yeah but then you got those of us who are lesser

02:06:36.240 beings and can't wear gold because they're allergic i didn't i wasn't aware that it was

02:06:43.440 an allergen it's not the gold but the stuff when you when you're wearing a ring it's not 24 karat

02:06:48.960 there's nothing mixed in i'm allergic to the stuff they mix into it oh to hold it and keep it

02:06:54.560 together i don't know that's some some goblin or some draugr stuff i don't know about no um well

02:07:03.680 i guess i could just walk around with a rash all the time i don't know that way i could be cool

02:07:07.280 with my gold that's also gross i think these are all gross options well and we have a member at

02:07:12.320 thorshof who made uh mjolnir's out of the red oak that was uh you know is is at the temple so you

02:07:19.760 know i think everything's kind of on the the table it's just the significance of how it comes about

02:07:26.400 you know i i would be very concerned like if you're going on to a website or something like

02:07:31.520 that you know just where it's made yeah you know i wouldn't i think it would be better to get it

02:07:37.040 from say someplace in europe um as opposed to you know i don't know some factory somewhere else but

02:07:45.520 But, like, the Ukrainians make great jewelry.

02:07:48.380 There's also some Swedes that make great jewelry.

02:07:51.620 Ukrainians do make good jewelry.

02:07:56.100 They do.

02:07:57.840 And very affordable, but obviously the war and all that.

02:08:03.680 All right.

02:08:04.520 So what kind of spirit causes a haunting?

02:08:09.520 And I'm close at you.

02:08:10.480 A land spirit, an ancestor's spirit, or something else?

02:08:15.520 If it's something else, what kind of spirit causes it and what can get rid of a haunting?

02:08:25.780 It's fine.

02:08:26.340 Hit all of those things or something that ties those together.

02:08:31.080 Yeah, defined land spirit.

02:08:32.620 No, I was when we were talking at Thorsoth, not this last holy time.

02:08:41.460 I think it was during Yule.

02:08:42.820 We were talking about some of this stuff.

02:08:45.520 The usage of the word land, like a white deer or an Alvar or that broad title, because it's always is about what the Alvar is synthesized with.

02:08:58.600 Are they synthesized with the light? Are they synthesized with the material? Then it's Svartalvar and so on and so forth.

02:09:07.060 So the big thing is that if you have a spirit that is moving the material, I am of the belief that you have a Svartalf, a Dvergar, a malicious spirit of the earth because their ability to move things. 0.89

02:09:28.440 And the fear and the ability to get a rise out of the emotions connected is an interesting energy, I think, that they enjoy. 1.00

02:09:43.760 But, again, this is all in the, you know, you could take this as like, what?

02:09:47.960 Like, you actually believe this?

02:09:49.640 but i'm gonna go from let's say we you know as a like if i was a vard locker and i was trying to

02:09:57.240 get rid of a spirit for you i'm going in this with the uh the list and we're gonna we're gonna figure

02:10:03.880 things out um however you know there are things that are beyond simply just land spirits ancestors

02:10:10.880 pause flag on the play so everybody knows and this harkens back to last week i don't know if

02:10:17.100 anybody uh watched it last week last week was interesting because we spent a significant time

02:10:22.480 talking about magic um as gothar both swan and myself have been called upon numerous times

02:10:32.880 to you know banish paints of various description for various reasons and it

02:10:41.920 i get it get how it sounds i get how it sounds when it's coming out of my mouth

02:10:48.080 but we overcome these things because you know fundamentally they exist most of the time when

02:10:55.440 people are talking about them are those people inaccurate or delusional sure but sometimes they

02:11:04.800 well i think that severity of understanding is that we're we're speaking seriously but

02:11:14.160 you know yeah i'd say you hear when you hear people talk about this they're

02:11:18.240 ah i got these hates in my house they're going crazy or what have you um but we we are our faith

02:11:26.740 the gods are non-biological willful beings who can become biological they can do great things

02:11:32.760 beyond our comprehensions. There are other things out there than simply us. However, I think a lot

02:11:39.040 of folks take way too much stock in thinking that these outside forces have as much power as they

02:11:47.420 do, especially if you have troth to the gods. I do believe that's very important, but occasionally

02:11:53.800 you will find things. Ancestral stuff. There are usually three forms of ancestral hauntings or

02:12:02.740 lingerings. And that is an event or something undone or not finished. A sense of wrongdoing

02:12:12.400 and a need to make right or make, you know, an attempt of that. That has, that comes in different

02:12:22.000 ways. And the other is also being lost. I believe that Lord Odin on the wild hunt, that the throng

02:12:30.000 that follows in his wake is his gathering of the lost souls to bring them to Nipah's cave.

02:12:37.040 There is the sense that the host that follows him, the ghastly host. So there are lost souls.

02:12:44.800 There are, of course, those who refuse to pass through the veil and go to the ancestors because

02:12:51.240 something is deeply wrong. There's a very interesting story in West Virginia of a woman

02:12:58.520 having um yes yes exactly the return of the dead ah see uh the drauger the uh the the the revenant

02:13:12.280 if you will all of this stuff is very very much entwined in our uh things and i don't think just

02:13:19.480 because we talk less about it that it's somehow not here i mean again in west virginia there is a

02:13:25.800 noted uh uh solving of a murder by an ancestral ghost who refuses to leave because she knows her

02:13:34.120 daughter was murdered um and i think that that's really cool and very interesting and it was

02:13:40.040 actually written down by the police leading to this of course this was a while back i think

02:13:46.280 the 1800s but um thank you to my friend george who gave me that book at the office last weekend

02:13:53.560 i appreciate that i do not have that book i am no it's really cool i'm not very far into it but um

02:13:59.800 anybody who doesn't know is listening to this i just ood and odd over a book called the return

02:14:06.200 of the dead ghosts ancestors and the transparent veil of the pagan mind by claude uh lecote and i

02:14:17.800 say that oh that brings to mind in our chat room we have a a quebecois listener tonight so

02:14:26.600 i would say some fancy french welcome but i don't know any i'm glad that you joined

02:14:31.000 us this evening and that you're on here listening welcome um there's a lot of stuff and we struggle

02:14:41.320 to find exact words because different times in different places there's kind of colloquial

02:14:45.720 bad spirit stuff the other thing is i

02:14:52.680 this is one of the uncomfortable things there are we like to keep our faith completely separate

02:15:05.940 from other people's but we occupy a world to where other things exist

02:15:11.700 so when it comes to our high mythology absolutely it's ours it doesn't overlap

02:15:17.720 but different people have different words to describe different phenomenon that we all

02:15:24.920 encounter there's bad spirits that do bad things some of those are land veteer or house veteer

02:15:35.920 some of those are you know dark alpha some of those are as far how far some of those are you

02:15:47.280 know in a positive there's all kind of forces that exist beyond our level of perception

02:15:54.800 and what those are it really depends on the circumstance i think in a christian context

02:16:02.720 they talk about ghosts in a operative sense they talk about ghosts in a lingering

02:16:10.880 like echo sense and they talk about demons in a different sense i think that

02:16:20.240 that's a thing i think that we would look at that in a different context

02:16:25.280 but i think yes there are spiritual forces that imprint themselves on a place in time

02:16:32.720 that make that place have a heightened magnitude if it is tragedy and great evil and great trauma

02:16:41.460 that is all poured out at once there is a lingering malignancy in a place

02:16:49.280 same thing and again the same thing in the inverse when we notice so something I was

02:16:57.540 I was remarking at Odin's Hoff this weekend on.

02:17:02.220 We have spent 10 years now worshiping at Odin's Hoff.

02:17:07.180 There is a power to that place because we have imbued it with that power

02:17:12.100 through worship consistently at all the holy tides for 10 long years.

02:17:18.020 So we've built a spiritual might in that place in a positive way.

02:17:22.300 The same is true in a negative way of something horrific in a place like that.

02:17:30.660 There's also ghosts.

02:17:33.620 There are, it would be dishonest of us or naive of us to, we believe the dead interact with us all the time.

02:17:46.040 We pray to our ancestors.

02:17:47.700 We believe our desir watch over us.

02:17:52.300 You know, we wouldn't think twice of, you know, seeing something or feeling the embrace of an ancestor and remarking that, you know, that was grandpa or that was, we wouldn't think twice about that.

02:18:04.380 That would be beautiful and that is beautiful when it happens.

02:18:08.520 The same is true of people we don't like or of people who have a spiritual potency, but a lacking morality.

02:18:19.120 You know, sometimes the haint is a, I realize how this sounds, but keep it a buck, as the kids say, like a dead wizard or some such.

02:18:32.840 That stuff happens too.

02:18:35.760 There are evil forces in this world that wish to do people harm.

02:18:41.180 Now, question then comes into what can you do to get rid of a haunting? And then I would extend

02:18:52.880 that further. What can you do to prevent that situation? And I guess I'll answer the last first.

02:19:00.080 I think that this is true in life. And I think this is true after death.

02:19:04.060 villains and bullies look for easy targets to victimize

02:19:12.880 christians are very easy targets because they are taught from a young age that they are 0.91

02:19:22.100 spiritually worthless and that they are nothing but their god is everything so their only power

02:19:30.780 is you know to call upon in depending on the tradition to perhaps call upon a saint or to call 0.86

02:19:38.060 upon their god they have to fight demons by the power of christ compels you in jesus name they

02:19:45.560 have to invoke something other as step one now i don't think it's improper to try to call upon the

02:19:54.520 assistance of the gods in a bad situation but for that to be your first step is based on

02:20:01.480 literally their their theology is that they are bad inherently and their only goodness comes

02:20:10.880 from their submission to their god so that sets them up to be victimized in a particular way

02:20:16.320 i see this happen less without such or unless without such or who are raised that way or who

02:20:22.840 have been outstrew for a long time because we don't believe that we believe that through our

02:20:28.800 own might and through our own acts of heroism and building our hymenia and building our spiritual

02:20:36.080 might that we have spiritual efficacy on this side of the veil and beyond and if we're living right

02:20:43.600 our community of faithful exists beyond the veil so to call upon them to assist us is a reasonable

02:20:51.900 thing for us to do. To be confident, like, hey, I know you're invisible, but, you know,

02:21:00.220 step back, this is my house, kick rocks. I don't think that's wrong. I don't think that's wrong at

02:21:07.200 all. Most villains like to find the path of least resistance to get what they need, be that fear,

02:21:15.940 be that empowerment by psychic vampirism whatever that mechanism is if you're not a soft mark on

02:21:24.580 that it's easier for them to go to somebody who is and i think that's meaningful i also believe

02:21:34.260 strongly that we have a beachhead beyond the veil with our gothar who have passed i think that our

02:21:41.460 gothar on this side who need to invoke our gothar on that side to help us is a really interesting

02:21:51.380 thing to ponder but i also think a very appropriate thing to ponder i think gothi

02:21:55.780 david james and i think gothi uh thorgan odin would do their best to help us in whatever

02:22:01.300 capacity they can on the other side of things and i think that is a tool that we have not had

02:22:09.540 previous um so i say that um i think that that counts i think that doing various sigil magic

02:22:26.980 to ward an area or to you know claim a spot as a safe place and to cast out these things with

02:22:36.180 with the spiritual might of a sigil that you have empowered I think is a meaningful thing to do

02:22:43.060 I think there's a lot of different folk traditions I think Svon posted a couple little ideas

02:22:49.900 there's things that traditionally work a lot of their efficacy is the amount of spiritual might

02:22:58.080 you put in these things to project your will in a way beyond your musculature and i say that because

02:23:08.400 i think you are projecting it in midgard and on subtle planes beyond but i think it counts

02:23:16.720 regardless and i think you having self-confidence is the key to all of these things if you don't

02:23:24.160 and if you are um you need assistance on that calling in a gothi to help you i think is is

02:23:30.000 worthwhile um i think it's always worthwhile to call upon the icr to help you or call upon your

02:23:38.960 ancestors to help you but i think it is the most important thing you can do is to try to first

02:23:46.080 banish the fear from yourself and face the and this is counterintuitive now i've known people

02:23:52.480 who were spiritually effective people

02:23:59.600 who counsel like you don't acknowledge these forces,

02:24:03.580 you pretend they don't exist,

02:24:05.560 you cold turkey, don't feed them with any of your energy,

02:24:08.540 and you just kind of hold your breath

02:24:10.520 and hope everything works out.

02:24:14.340 I think that there is a certain amount of wisdom to that.

02:24:17.880 It's not my way and it's not in my character.

02:24:22.480 But I do think that there's something to it because I do think there are risks in acknowledging spiritual forces that are not there when you ignore them.

02:24:38.060 I think there is a safe path of trying to ignore them and pretend they're not there and don't feed them.

02:24:44.380 You feed them with aggression.

02:24:46.220 You feed them with fear.

02:24:47.380 You feed them with a lot of things.

02:24:48.880 if you ignore them and you don't feed them i think that oftentimes things will pass

02:24:58.800 just like i think that if a bully bullies you and you ignore them and you you know don't fight back

02:25:05.120 and you don't say anything and you just keep going on sometimes that won't be fun

02:25:10.320 and they'll find somebody else to bully and somebody else to victimize

02:25:13.440 in a similar way that's not in my character and i wouldn't advise others to do that but i do see

02:25:21.120 there's a possible strategy to that i think that if you confront these things face to face

02:25:28.240 and if you banish the fear that you have in yourself very often i think that is the best

02:25:35.100 route and i think that that is your chance for the greatest success it also does open yourself

02:25:41.860 up to failure as well but i think that's what i would advise because i think that's the noble path

02:25:48.500 especially for men um the other thing is a preventative measure from our our chocolatey um

02:26:00.180 neighbors hate blue hate blue is the thing anybody who may not know if you find yourself

02:26:07.140 in Dixie and you see on the the chocolatey side of the tracks you're

02:26:13.460 gonna see a lot of window sills and roofs of like porches and thresholds

02:26:19.960 covered in various shades of blue different states have their own shade of

02:26:24.840 haint blue haint blue is a thing and the chocolatey fauna will tell you that it

02:26:33.840 is proof against hands so there's that

02:26:40.160 yeah i'm of a belief that that comes from the scots and the irish that

02:26:43.840 you know settled that uh a lot of that stuff like two things that hate uh hate blues from

02:26:52.000 scotsman and not from like some geechi i think the origin of the of the uses of the color as a

02:27:00.240 awarding thing is kind of uh probably from them i hope it is chicken if you can find some details

02:27:09.760 on that i would be more apt to employ it in some way yeah i just wrote down uh salt i know that my

02:27:18.640 mother spoke of um for ill spirits uh treading upon salt obviously treading is an interesting

02:27:26.960 term for a spirit but the idea was to place salt around um even in the corners and in the closet

02:27:34.160 and underneath the beds and such was a thing that was usually done right after we vacuumed

02:27:39.840 hates don't like salt hates don't like smoke

02:27:44.800 yeah hates don't like dogs 0.99

02:27:49.200 um also hanging an iron nail from the end of the bed for any uh foul troll witches that are uh 1.00

02:27:57.760 when it refers to sleep sounds like a good way to rip your clothes and your sheets 0.99

02:28:02.640 oh no hanging from a string okay on the end of the bed post um hang an iron nail from a

02:28:09.440 string these things are funny and they sound funny there's absolutely something to them um

02:28:16.800 a friend of mine and this is a this is something to note

02:28:20.640 hospitals are particularly hate-ridden

02:28:26.220 um a friend of mine his uh his wife was terminally ill in the hospital and

02:28:35.120 there were things messing with her and he did some um runic sigils

02:28:42.040 and placed around her bed that seemed to quiet that

02:28:45.620 um in order to protect my mom when she had a stroke and she was in the hospital for a time

02:28:53.400 I brought in pictures of my grandfather and my grandmother and you know asked the ancestors to

02:29:02.380 watch over her and and keep vigil when I could and I tried to be there as much as I could

02:29:06.820 um I think that was helpful um so there's a lot of different ways to do it

02:29:14.700 And again, kind of with an earlier conversation, I think that intent and being able to powerfully channel your spiritual might into something that you're doing.

02:29:26.640 And that's a, I mean, that's a muscle that you've got to train and you've got to, you've got to build an ability to make that connection.

02:29:34.980 A lot of these things are tools to help you make that connection.

02:29:40.620 So that's something to think about too.

02:29:42.520 um spawn completely different topic that's what i like about these questions is they go kind of

02:29:49.360 around them and they're neat and they provide interesting segues um what does the purple rope

02:29:55.380 around frayers waste in the mural symbolize wow yeah i uh you're not the only person that has kind

02:30:03.620 of uh ask this um so i what i'm about to say please just take it as i i can't explain it

02:30:15.460 i don't know why it is but it simply is when uh the murals are being painted there are times where

02:30:23.380 there's this kind of sense that i'm not i'm just kind of a uh an application tool if you will

02:30:33.060 um and there's things that happen where i want to specifically put something in

02:30:38.340 and then there's other times where something just shows up and i can't explain why um

02:30:46.500 the the uh the rope is a gift from his step mother it's from scotty

02:30:56.100 and i don't know why that is a thing but it is a thing it's just as much as when um

02:31:05.340 i was doing the artwork for arminius on the back of his shield i knew instantly that there was a

02:31:13.280 small lock of hair and a coin hanging on the back of the shield i don't know why it maybe it's just

02:31:20.820 more subconscious art things coming out but um as i was doing it i

02:31:30.040 i was asking myself even why why was it there it is a gift from

02:31:36.600 scotty to give to him um kind of as a a joke if you can understand where like a throng of cord

02:31:49.700 and scotty work together you can put it all together and it's kind of a a joke about uh

02:31:57.060 the things that you gain and the things that you give up for love

02:32:03.220 yeah there you have it that's i can't explain no that's that's awesome anybody who hasn't seen it

02:32:12.500 yet uh get in your car now go to well i say that you have to have somebody come by and let you in

02:32:20.020 don't break into our hoffs but you should go to austintown uh ohio um spawn outdid himself with

02:32:32.420 a phrase mural there it is it is breathtaking um

02:32:38.900 um many of us when we first saw it were just brought to tears it is

02:32:43.700 well done thank you i yeah i just did there's things in there that are not from me i don't know

02:32:55.700 the the cordage of scotty given to her stepson as a kind of a benevolence of acceptance and the joke

02:33:06.780 behind it especially when you consider cordage and scotty i'll leave that as it is all right

02:33:17.420 next question on the mountain behind lord frayer the pathway leads where oh

02:33:25.980 all right yeah no i can't believe uh people noticed that but i mean again

02:33:30.540 so that's actually a mistake um i was going to do well first off it's not a mistake the murals are

02:33:39.260 works in progress at all times i will go to all of them again and work on them in in various ways

02:33:47.580 but the time crunch was three days i had only three days to do everything i was running into

02:33:53.980 issues um and uh driving 10 hours and my car had popped a flat it was it was um there was a lot of

02:34:01.820 stuff going on and so my original intention was to place skeet blavnir the ship uh which means

02:34:10.620 like slice blade which is an awesome name for a ship um skeet blavnir also being one of the

02:34:19.100 treasures along with uh gulan bursty but uh skidh blavnir can fly across the sky like it can um uh

02:34:32.620 upon the water so i was originally going to put skidh blavnir up there with a retinue of

02:34:38.700 leos alvar like in a procession coming down from the ship but time constraints and and again it

02:34:50.700 wasn't it was about uh holy fray and his visage and getting ready for for uh everything to be

02:34:58.940 done and yeah i was doing i think nick or nick tight i was working on it up until the day of

02:35:05.340 dedication and i will definitely go back and and do more but it's i'm super excited that people are

02:35:13.340 catching some of this stuff uh yeah so some of it has deep meaning and others of it is my failings

02:35:28.380 not failing just meaning yet to be uncovered yes yes

02:35:35.340 we've already got people digging on the hank blue origins so you know get to the bottom of it

02:35:45.660 so somewhat jumping around a bit but what do you think of brian wilton's idea that saga could be

02:35:54.600 the daughter of odin and frig it would seem appropriate the god of wisdom and the goddess

02:36:00.640 who knows the fates would conceive a daughter of history. So I'm going to let you play with

02:36:06.980 this for a sec, but I want to throw this out here up front. Her name's not Saga. Her name is 0.90

02:36:12.740 Sauga. And the apostrophe over the A is meaningful. So whereas Saga is a story or a historical 0.99

02:36:22.060 recounting um the etymology of sauga's name is is thought to be from xiao which means to see

02:36:33.640 so the idea of her as a seeress is very important i know a lot of people in modern times have placed

02:36:41.180 a lot of emphasis on her um you know in reference to recording history and things and i don't want

02:36:49.880 mess with that because i don't think that's wrong or bad but i do think that the etymology of of her

02:36:56.760 name makes a big difference i also fundamentally i i've never heard of brian's theory on this

02:37:06.040 i don't think that's a bad theory um with frigga's ability as a seeress and knowing the fates

02:37:14.360 but not speaking on it i see validity there but i don't know if i see enough to proclaim that it's

02:37:22.920 true or not but i wanted to make that point up front because i do think it's meaningful it's fun

02:37:29.480 well you know i think that as we discover our relationships with the gods like uh this reminds

02:37:37.160 be very similar of the word dotler in heimdall time dotler uh whether it means the dale or the

02:37:44.360 valley or whether it means a flame or a light and i am of the belief that there's no reason

02:37:51.400 to believe that it can't be both vowel for a vowel hall valkyrie slain but also chosen

02:38:00.440 specifically those two have those meanings um and again sauga sauga is a seer what is a seer

02:38:10.200 a seer is an observer both of that which is happening and that what flows into the past

02:38:17.660 and that which is of the future so um i'm always whenever i um talk about the maiden offense

02:38:27.300 solar holy sauga is that she is watching the gods at their at the dune seats she is there

02:38:35.860 at the wellspring of urd and she is witnessing the dooms of men that which they are marking

02:38:43.140 for glory or for for unseemliness or for their deeds in in the world and as we cry to the gods

02:38:51.620 saying, you know, notice me, witness what I'm doing, my deeds, bear witness to my deeds. I'm

02:38:57.480 doing this, you know, as we're making our proclamations to the divine, the gods are

02:39:01.780 measuring out the dooms of men, as we'll be, we'll talk about in the guild beginning, from heaven

02:39:07.560 at the tree, Yggdrasil, at the third root, at the wellspring. And she is seeing that.

02:39:21.620 And then after all of this is comprised, Lord Odin goes to her and recalls that which she sees

02:39:31.360 and that which she will see. So I, you know, I think the very word Cirrus applies a forward,

02:39:41.680 backward, and neutral sense of observing. It is observation of what will come, what is,

02:39:49.880 and what has been. As far as the connection, I am one of those folks who are very open

02:39:58.020 to those connectivities between the gods. I am not one of those people that the Lord

02:40:03.100 doesn't state it, so therefore it cannot be. I think that that's a very narrow view. I think

02:40:10.600 our church, and when I talk to the Gothar, I implement this thought that, hey, the gods are

02:40:18.780 alive the gods are now but it goes even further into an understanding of relationships that there

02:40:24.720 are things that are not written in the lore that don't mean that it's not there i talk about the

02:40:31.520 soul of bor and best love being the wind torn eagle and the hawk on top of uh the tree in heaven

02:40:41.780 and the soul of Imr being Midogr.

02:40:45.400 There's nothing in the lore that states that.

02:40:48.180 But I do know that things don't die in our faith,

02:40:51.280 in our stories, tell everything about transition.

02:40:55.240 And if you look at other Aryan mythos groups,

02:40:57.700 you see this as well.

02:40:59.080 When this heavenly father and this earthly mother 0.93

02:41:02.120 kind of bypass away and the tripart is created, 0.98

02:41:05.980 we see this over and over and over again.

02:41:08.860 I've seen something very similar with Bragi.

02:41:11.780 Bragi being the son of Lord Odin and Gunlov, thus being the lord of poetry, sound, you know, I would even argue mathematics.

02:41:27.020 But that's, like, how can you say that Bragi is the lord of mathematics? It's not in the lore, Svan.

02:41:32.980 That kind of thinking is dumb. And we should get away from it. 0.98

02:41:37.960 We should stop only being limited in our sense because our gods have a relationship with us now and our understandings of them.

02:41:48.560 The problem is, is that the lore is, is the kind of, it can create its statement based on its time and place in our faith.

02:42:02.080 And other things are, again, theories, as this would be with Brian.

02:42:10.720 pause for a sec

02:42:16.780 Nick be nice in the chat room

02:42:19.280 I'm lovely

02:42:23.120 what are you talking about

02:42:24.300 40 and broke

02:42:27.600 so this is mixed 0.86

02:42:33.560 Brian abandoned his oath 0.64

02:42:37.040 as a go through the Astro Folk Assembly

02:42:38.620 so some of us are rightfully grumpy that's twice hold on settle down 0.97

02:42:46.300 so that is really offensive and rightly so to many of us especially those of us that ordained him um 0.65

02:42:57.260 and for whatever he's claiming he is not ordained by the astro folk assembly currently because he

02:43:02.460 abandoned that oath twice as nick pointed out that said he likes to talk he's good at talking

02:43:11.180 and he does make a lot of interesting points brian um

02:43:16.540 and i'll say this about brian so here's the thing him

02:43:23.420 him not being worth his salt as far as his word on his oaths really bothers me there's

02:43:30.380 things about Brian that I want to condemn and make a big deal. Other thing is on a personal

02:43:36.860 note, I really like Brian. There's been times where we were really good friends in a lot

02:43:42.300 of ways. If I saw him right now I'd give him a hug. And he's, he's a smart guy and some

02:43:51.180 of the ways that he sees stuff he comes at things from different angles than I've ever

02:43:57.820 heard other people consider and sometimes i don't agree with them and sometimes i think they're

02:44:03.100 really they're really profound he's the first person that um mentioned the idea to me of

02:44:13.180 of the, the generations in

02:44:19.180 got the dead air, the pressure's on.

02:44:34.180 the thing with the generations and heimdall um

02:44:46.780 why is the word escaping me it bothers me so bad it's right there for the rigs thula rigs thula there

02:44:55.240 you go i don't know why that was so hard and i was having the brain fart i appreciate you guys

02:45:00.240 stand with me. Anyways. I thought you were talking about like family genera-

02:45:03.620 No, no. No, so it was the first person that I heard articulate that not just being the

02:45:11.480 Dumazillion breakdown of, you know, priest, king, warrior, and serf. He's the first person that

02:45:22.800 pointed out the generational progression of um refining our folk and ennobling our folk

02:45:32.160 he's the first person i ever heard say that and that has profoundly influenced the way that i

02:45:40.320 think about things it is referenced in our true log mall it has become a fundamental

02:45:46.960 principle of our understanding of that poem and he's the you know he is the genesis i apologize

02:45:52.320 genesis is a incongruent term he is the uh below spell of that he is the uh he is but he is the

02:46:00.800 origin of our that understanding so yeah and i'm really grateful that he sent you towards the afa

02:46:09.600 as well um but yeah he's he's got some really good takes on things sometimes and i mean i think the

02:46:17.440 one that you mentioned might be one of those it's not one that i considered and i certainly don't

02:46:21.360 think it's one to throw out without thought it doesn't make sense i remember when i was first

02:46:27.200 coming in i had always looked at the uh coming of heimdall into the symbolic you know uh

02:46:37.520 household of grandmother and grandfather etc um is that you know i going amongst like these kind

02:46:47.120 of left-wing or universalist or just kind of weirdo people they were always kind of snickering 0.93

02:46:53.120 that this was some sort of like polyamorous garbage but the reality is of course is that 0.95

02:46:59.040 great-grandmother great-grandfather and mythos in and of itself is bigger more allegoric the meta 0.93

02:47:06.080 if you will heimdall being invited into the representation of an entire generation is about

02:47:14.080 faith being invited into the folk and i've always thought that because i hated the whole

02:47:22.400 snickering at this idea that uh heimdall is sleeping between a man and a woman and they just

02:47:28.080 kind of always thought it was very very of ill taste and he was the one person who uh when we

02:47:34.000 were talking about that you know we it was like you know it's like it's like an amazing sense of

02:47:41.760 you get it too absolutely and uh another brian wilton thing and i would be remiss if i didn't

02:47:49.520 mention this because it's oh that's very oh so he he cast the gay out of a man so i went

02:48:03.680 and this happened i was there gay exorcism

02:48:08.240 so brian was going to do a uh a book signing at a local pagan bookstore in

02:48:19.200 i believe it was in oklahoma it could have been up in missouri though um so he was going to do

02:48:26.980 that and i went down to try to be supportive of him uh at this at this deal and anyways there was

02:48:32.960 you know lefties threaten the bookstore and they end up doing

02:48:37.220 he told me that was his first miracle says in the chat I it absolutely was I seen it I'll attest to

02:48:45.120 it I will abs I don't stamp his ordination because he abandoned it but I will stamp that miraculous

02:48:50.380 occurrence that happened I was there I seen it we were um anyways we're at this uh event

02:48:57.080 and there's a number of people there and there's a gay dude that had come to this thing and his 0.89

02:49:04.380 whole point was he was gonna he was gonna show up and tell this evil fascist all about himself 0.57

02:49:10.720 and he was gonna you know he had all this stuff he was gonna lay into him with all

02:49:14.980 whatever woke rhetoric he had so he was just there to watch brian fall on his face and he

02:49:22.440 going to confront him and disabuse him of his evil prejudices or what whatever and brian got up there

02:49:30.440 and brian is a powerful speaker he is a powerful order he really really is he knows how to how to

02:49:36.440 move an audience in a very very effective way he gave a really good speech and it was about family 1.00

02:49:41.880 and children and generations and this gay dude just started like shaking and getting all red 0.98

02:49:52.200 and breathing funny and vibrating funny and we're looking at this guy wonder what was 0.95

02:49:59.060 going on and he ended up walking out into the field and just like pacing and mumbling

02:50:05.180 to himself and shaking and weeping and whatever else and uh the lady who was ostensibly hosting

02:50:16.160 this thing the woman who owned the pagan bookstore she knew this this gay dude for some time and

02:50:21.840 And she went out in the field and asked him what was going on or what was wrong,

02:50:26.180 what his problem was.

02:50:27.380 And he was just broke down weeping and quivering and like, I'm sorry. 0.98

02:50:32.840 I don't want to be gay anymore. 1.00

02:50:33.960 I just want a family and I want a future and I'm done, I forsake this gayness. 1.00

02:50:40.400 And I'm gonna get my life right and I'm gonna find a girl and 1.00

02:50:42.720 I'm gonna have a family.

02:50:44.660 And he was just inconsolable and apologetic for his deviancy.

02:50:51.840 And I didn't follow up. I don't know what became of this guy.

02:50:56.480 I hope that he stopped being gay, but he's not welcome to stop being gay here. 1.00

02:51:03.140 But I don't know, but I saw it. It happened. 1.00

02:51:09.120 That is absolutely Brian's first miracle. So that counts.

02:51:13.520 I will testify to it.

02:51:16.720 Oh, what else we got?

02:51:17.980 so i think we got a couple of things and maybe we can hit a few more pieces of the story tonight um

02:51:27.500 does the afa believe in darwinian evolution are we descended from the gods those are

02:51:33.740 two separate questions

02:51:34.940 and i feel like if this were

02:51:51.660 i don't know the person who asked the question and i don't want to presume i think that it would

02:52:00.140 require really specific definition of terms if we were talking to a biologist selective mating

02:52:17.660 and producing change over time through selective breeding is a thing and i think that we can all

02:52:26.220 you know attest to that i think that's why african americans are such strong athletes

02:52:36.700 um i think that we've seen this over time that you can do that within a number of generations

02:52:44.700 to select for certain things so like that exists now whether that takes you know a rat to a monkey

02:52:53.580 to us. I'm not saying that the AFA believes that. What I am saying is that when we became

02:53:04.740 us, we were originally something else. Then the gods blessed us with our us-ness of becoming

02:53:16.580 Aryan man, and we see through the aforementioned Riggs Thula, thank you, Nick, 0.95

02:53:27.860 a evolving of us from a more primitive state to a better state and to a even better still state. 0.96

02:53:39.400 So we see the progress of evolution in that way.

02:53:42.240 Are we descended from the gods, I think, is a really interesting thing.

02:53:47.920 And I think it goes into some of the previous questions about the gods being fathers and mothers of different gods and how that works.

02:53:56.880 The gods making children isn't meant as a biological reference to fleshy copulation.

02:54:10.620 and i don't and i don't want to be vulgar i'm specifically saying that it's not vulgar in that

02:54:18.840 way but i'm also saying it's not mammalian in that way gods are gods and the coupling of two

02:54:26.760 divine spiritual forces is far beyond our comprehension but to think that it's you know

02:54:35.480 the sexual union that we we see amongst mammals is probably not how that works

02:54:43.040 their parentage involves their creation of new life through their interaction

02:54:51.200 um just like that is the way that we are able to create parentage is we have a biological

02:54:57.880 mechanism to do that. So no, I don't think that two gods biologically had physical copulation

02:55:17.460 to birth from a womb the first people. I don't think that's what's intended. The gods created

02:55:25.060 us. Absolutely. The gods are our divine parents. Absolutely. They created our biology. So I

02:55:36.440 suppose they are our parents in a biological sense. But I don't think that we're descended

02:55:43.980 from them in a mammalian sexual coupling over time. And I don't think that's what's told by

02:55:52.640 our lore and if that is what happened then then fine i don't preclude that i just don't have

02:56:00.020 reason to believe that's the case um they made us us as i mentioned earlier when it mentions

02:56:08.900 the gods finding the two pieces of driftwood

02:56:11.940 they transmuted that that existed before that was lacking in divinity lacking in 0.97

02:56:22.100 the animating force of sentient life and they made those things Aryan man and Aryan woman 1.00

02:56:30.400 that is a hundred percent true I don't think like that has to be true but it 0.89

02:56:40.220 the flow of evolution doesn't suggest that the gods make something much much much less

02:56:49.300 And then we perfect that over time. If anything, we would see it go the other way if that were the case. So I think they took something that was much less developed and matured as we are today and helped set us on the way to becoming who we've become within the historical period of our time.

02:57:12.120 And I understand that sounds like a bunch of gobbledygook evading the question. It's not meant to, but it does acknowledge the things that we don't know in a clear way.

02:57:22.320 It would be clean to take a very, very specific position on exactly how that works. That's the biological truth. And if you say otherwise, you're burning in hell.

02:57:33.320 It's not the right thing to do because it doesn't value our virtue of truth.

02:57:42.120 so we know things but we also need to acknowledge the limits to the things that we know for

02:57:48.760 certainty and be honest in how we present that to folks because it truth matters so that's the best

02:57:55.160 i got swan do you have anything to add to that yeah i think that uh with the truth of our lore

02:58:03.000 and our stories comes the greater hurdle of understanding and i think that everything that is

02:58:09.800 um the divine hand of the gods instigating the return to their people um has very important

02:58:18.920 things in there that uh the understanding is is kind of i think clearer now than perhaps

02:58:25.080 in the past um one of the big things that i talk about is uh the fact that jotenheim

02:58:32.360 and Muspelheim are on the same plane, or Niflheim and Muspelheim and Jotunheim and Vanaheim.

02:58:42.340 The realm of the gods of water and earth, I refer to them often as the gods of natural law

02:58:50.800 and how they go to the Isir gods in the stories. They send an emissary. There is this division of

02:59:00.820 The gods of the middle, they are of water and of earth and of life and of prosperity and gold and many other things.

02:59:20.620 So what you end up having is the gods of the middle are in the west while the Jotun is in the east.

02:59:29.260 And I don't think that these are just happenstance because it sounds cool.

02:59:36.860 The Vanir I often talk about is natural law, cyclic nature, the spirit of life, the life when we want a good hunt, if we want a good herd, if we want fruitful fields, oftentimes we pray to the Vanir gods.

02:59:57.420 And I think that's another reason why the Vanir gods are called the older gods to the Aesir, is because of our relationship to them, being that they are more interconnected to us in this middle world.

03:00:09.180 So life flows in from these realms.

03:00:12.880 I think that the nexus of cosmology is important.

03:00:16.060 Life flows forward and death and that which, kind of the ending of things, the growing of things, the ending of things, that cycle.

03:00:25.520 so even to the understanding that it can come down to the tiniest molecule

03:00:32.340 or the tiniest cellular uh excuse me not molecule but tiniest single cell organism

03:00:38.480 that life is making wiggle i believe that is vonaheim that's that power it goes all the way

03:00:45.560 to the the very little bit but there's still somewhat of a strange mystical sense to it

03:00:52.860 How does a caterpillar evolve imagery on its body to mimic a snake, to scare birds away?

03:01:03.260 How does that caterpillar even know what a snake looks like?

03:01:06.820 There is a deeper magic to the evolution of life.

03:01:14.400 And what that's ultimately being juxtaposed with is the other side, which is Jotunheim,

03:01:20.020 which is resistance and absorption of or of dissolvement that Jotunheim's energy into the

03:01:29.820 middle world plays out in resistance against life and the life that lives is that which adapts

03:01:37.080 resistance and life are in constant aggregate or aggression against each other and so we have the

03:01:44.980 vanir and the jotun that have long been and a lot of times people say like oh i can't really tell

03:01:50.780 the difference between them sometimes in the middle world the divine powers that are here

03:01:56.220 have been battling ever since the gods reformed emir and so you have life and death and it's

03:02:06.540 cyclical nature so uh some of the classes we do at thorsoff like i'll draw you know

03:02:12.140 Midgard in the center and there's Vonaheim and there's Jotunheim and we have life and death or

03:02:19.580 cyclic natural law inescapable and we have resistance and absorption of dissolvement

03:02:25.640 and that these things playing out in a grand sense um are that which uh is happening between

03:02:34.220 these realms you know um talking about like storms tornadoes uh i was speaking to a friend of mine

03:02:43.660 about this and you know he was talking about build up of pressure between um cold and hot air

03:02:49.500 and that when these energies are pulled apart it's a it's a sense of resistance and then you know he

03:02:56.940 was of the belief that thor was the element that cut that resistance because if that resistance

03:03:02.540 builds up creates catastrophe and so there's a sudden vacuum between the two which creates

03:03:09.020 this the tornado the sky serpent if you will um and but it is about returning to balance

03:03:16.620 those polarities being pulled apart so that is again jotun power von air power is life

03:03:25.180 and the evolution of life against the resistance of temperature and pressure and

03:03:30.540 everything going on here now how does it relate to us i mean we are of course the product

03:03:37.580 of this middle world but the gods came here and found us root uh rootless and unfaded the

03:03:47.500 the trees in the water are rootless and unfaded it's as as it is written so they connect us

03:03:56.780 and shape us and give us purpose and then of course heimdall comes down and shapes us as the folk so

03:04:05.820 our connectivity and descendancy from them i think comes not so much from the singular idea of

03:04:11.100 biology but of that which is in the genetics the meta genetics the the breath of the on the

03:04:19.260 spiritual power of the gods um that's what makes us descended from them

03:04:29.820 all right most fun um

03:04:37.420 let's

03:04:42.220 let's see i'm not sure how much further tonight we want to go i think we do

03:04:46.940 want to get back into it just a little bit um so let's let's see about that let's go ahead and read

03:04:55.620 um uh stanza three or not stanza i guess section three all right section three concerning the

03:05:06.960 all father and the foremost of the gods or the foremost of the gods gang leary began his

03:05:15.260 questioning thus, who is the foremost or the oldest of all the gods? It was Haur that answered,

03:05:23.280 and he called, he is called in our speech, the All-Father. But in the elder Ausgard, he had 12

03:05:31.640 names. One is All-Father. The second is Lord. The other is Lord of hosts. And of course, a host is

03:05:42.180 an army the third is nikar or spear lord the fourth is nikar or striker the fifth is the

03:05:54.080 knower of many things the sixth the fulfiller of wishes the seventh the far speaking one

03:06:02.560 the eight the shaker and this is again referring to the shape shaking of a spear

03:06:08.480 Or he who putteth the armies to flight, the fear of or sending them away.

03:06:20.920 Lastly, the burner, or excuse me, not lastly, but the ninth, the burner, the tenth, the destroyer, and the eleventh, the protector, and the twelfth, the gelding.

03:06:31.580 then asked gang lady where is this god or what power hath he or what hath he wrought that is

03:06:44.840 of a glorious deed how it made answer he lives throughout all the ages and governs all his realm

03:06:53.120 and directs all things great and small then said uh he fashioned heaven and earth and air and all

03:07:03.840 the things that are within the greatest of all is this that he made man and gave him the spirit

03:07:10.560 which shall live and never perish though the flesh frame rot to mold or burn to ashes and all men

03:07:18.800 shall live, such as are just in action, and he himself in the place of Gimli.

03:07:27.780 But evil men go to hell, and thence down to the misty hell, and that is down in the ninth world.

03:07:37.040 Then, said Gangleri, what did he do before heaven and earth was made? 0.86

03:07:42.720 And Haur answered, he was then with the rhyme giants.

03:07:48.800 Now, this one's chock full of a lot of good stuff to talk about.

03:07:56.000 The haiti of Odin, firstly.

03:07:59.900 The connection between war and battle.

03:08:03.140 The connection between the warring of armies, but also the protector.

03:08:09.620 There is, that was something I actually, you know, wanted to look at.

03:08:17.480 but um there is

03:08:22.680 so many points of his like the attestments of him is as a view of course clearly

03:08:33.880 being in the context of the story as him being this great king and uh he's the the chieftain of

03:08:39.640 the host or the of the army um but we can see all the way back to tacitus the connection between

03:08:48.680 lord odin and the armies we see it in the lombardic story where he wakes up and he

03:08:54.600 declares the victory of one group over the other the connection between battle and the carrying

03:09:02.600 of an individual soul to the place of elevation is very very you know important now there's other

03:09:16.840 things in here that when people read and look into this they might think or begin to question

03:09:22.600 um what what does it mean when uh he says but evil men go to hell

03:09:29.160 and thence down to misty hell now we're looking at translations here so what this is is that evil

03:09:37.980 men go to the land of the dead the place of the ancestors but must go further down into niflheim

03:09:45.960 and what lies there in the edge at niflheim the border between hellguard the enclosed land of the

03:09:55.100 ancestors and the primordial um matter of niflheim is the rivers and there's two rivers in specifics

03:10:04.180 and when those two rivers are crossed there is a beach on the other side called naustrand

03:10:09.500 so without context it would be like oh wow okay so ovin brings up only those good men

03:10:19.320 and everyone else that is evil just simply goes to Helgard.

03:10:25.880 And without understanding the cosmology, the lay of the land,

03:10:30.800 the way that the poems have always laid it out,

03:10:34.740 that it would be lost in there.

03:10:37.780 So I think that's very important that we cover those things.

03:10:41.320 The other is the usage of the word rymthurser.

03:10:44.720 Primthurser is kind of like Jotun, in that it is placed on the Jotuns of Niflheim in the beginning, before Ymir, and it is also placed on the Jotuns after Ymir is slain, but the differentiation is oftentimes not addressed.

03:11:04.880 So it gets people confused. A lot of understanding about the Jotuns that the Aesir are from, are from Niflheim.

03:11:17.740 um they are from the origination point of of that proto matter of that high cold place some people

03:11:27.600 have even said that this is some sort of analogous towards hyperborea in the ancient like uh northern

03:11:34.680 lands that our ancestors equated the gods and the divine to the place of the north of of the cold 0.99

03:11:43.260 and and of the uh kind of misty past but um they are separate from emir emirs jotin breed that are

03:11:55.500 uh killed in the deluge um are produced in a you know uh generations later but they are oftentimes

03:12:03.580 referred to as hrim thurser or rhyme giants as well so there's some things i find you know is

03:12:10.300 again just very interesting also the usage of the word gimley gimley uh in here is kind of being

03:12:19.100 analogous with gladsheim because gimley is referred to um in volusbau as being the

03:12:29.820 like the place that survives ragnarok or is above where uh above ausgard it's kind of

03:12:38.460 of very odd how it's it's worded but we see it used here kind of synonymous with glad time

03:12:46.460 and i think that that is because it is one in the same that gimli the the shining hall is

03:12:54.220 either valhall in another name or glad time itself just like their names for igdrasil i think we get

03:13:03.260 get lost it lost in the details sometimes. There are a couple of things that I think

03:13:10.820 are very, very important when especially in this talk of the afterlife. He mentions that

03:13:20.020 Alcetruar believe that the soul is indestructible or is inherently indestructible. That its natural

03:13:31.240 state is not something that comes about and then that dies. And then he talks about the

03:13:38.340 afterlife. And he also talks about burial practice. So there are a number of different

03:13:43.480 faiths at different times that believe strongly that, you know, if you're the only way to get

03:13:52.140 to the other world is cremation, or if you don't have your physical body as intact as

03:13:58.280 possible then you don't have a good afterlife and you're crippled and you're messed up in the

03:14:03.480 afterlife or it doesn't work out you see the very elaborate uh mummification practices in egypt

03:14:10.760 with those kind of ideas and you know the christian church for a time you know no you

03:14:17.080 you're getting a bodily resurrection so you need to maintain the physical body in the tomb as best

03:14:22.520 you can it is meaningful here that at this you know very early time in the 1200s when this is

03:14:29.560 being written he acknowledges like no his ancestors believe that the human spirit that is given by the

03:14:38.360 Allfather is not, is not, is inherently immortal. And that if it is good and noble, it gets

03:14:52.360 elevation after death. And if it is evil and bad, it goes to Helheim and then down into

03:15:01.760 nightfall hell it goes down into a lower destructive realm where we have nidhogger

03:15:09.100 and uh naustron and we have the dissolution of worthless souls and so it's i think that

03:15:20.240 even in just a few lines there is very important to our what our ancestors believed in our

03:15:27.320 ancestors understanding of afterlife i think you know the idea of gimli of a you know heavenly

03:15:38.840 beautiful elevated existence for the the good people and the people who have earned a spot

03:15:46.920 of something nice is absolutely in keeping with all of arian lore and understanding and is a

03:15:55.800 i don't know a beautiful note at this point to the sophistication of our ancestors you'll notice

03:16:04.880 that they go there by their deeds being righteous by their deeds being good it doesn't mention that

03:16:14.160 those that have faith in odin get saved that's not that's not the point the point is they're

03:16:21.600 you know the good people good and honorable people getting justly rewarded for their virtue

03:16:29.760 not for their subservience and i think that's an important note because

03:16:37.680 again like i say people point out ah this seems too christian why because it's what white people

03:16:46.480 believe about religion or because it actually has something to do with the bible those distinctions

03:16:53.520 become really really important when we examine it very often times when people see christianity

03:16:59.680 what they mean is oh you mean wholesome white people religion right and the two are really

03:17:06.160 different things when you start bearing into the you know the jewish texts of christianity versus

03:17:11.520 the noble heroic spirit of Aryan religion.

03:17:20.220 You and I were talking about the last title there, Yalkir Gelding, I believe.

03:17:29.940 I think I figured it out.

03:17:33.700 So there are two names in here, the sixth name and the twelfth name, which I think may have

03:17:39.680 significance. The sixth name is oski, which means the giver or the grantor of wishes, the giver of

03:17:46.580 things, the kind of the, the plentiful. And then the 12th is jalkr, gelding, but gelding all, you

03:17:53.680 know, means barren, not having or not giving of things. So therefore it's cut off. So it's, I feel

03:18:03.840 like it's kind of a, a giver of things and a taker or a kind of cutting off of, of, um, fate or luck

03:18:12.540 or benefit, um, a kind of determinant of, of falling short or kind of turning off, um, blessing.

03:18:24.740 Cause I, you know, I was wondering about that, but looking back into the etymology of the word,

03:18:28.400 it goes back to the word like to bear to be barren or to not yield up anything

03:18:34.120 so i look into it i just look at the clock and try to think of

03:18:47.680 what we're doing and where we're going because it's interesting to think of where a good place

03:18:52.800 to stop is um i mean i i feel like we've done the great portion of the beginning

03:19:01.440 and got things set up and now we're about to move into um cosmology you know this is the

03:19:09.120 last uh section that speaks about lord odin in relation to the kingdom and everything that's

03:19:16.320 happened yeah no i'm thinking because i know we have a little bit more in the tank right now but

03:19:29.920 i want to find a good convenient stopping point oh there he is i didn't see that i apologize it

03:19:38.640 took me a minute we're i'm an hour overdue gw farnsworth thank you you donated 25 to vns and

03:19:47.040 25 towards helping out thorsoff thank you so much you're awesome you're here uh doing this weekly

03:19:55.280 much appreciated um that said yeah let's go ahead and do the next section here all right

03:20:08.640 Of Niflheim and Muspel.

03:20:12.780 Young Larry said, what was the beginning, or how began it?

03:20:17.660 What was it before it?

03:20:20.920 Howard answered, as is told in the Voluspau,

03:20:27.080 erst was the age when nothing was,

03:20:29.500 nor sand, nor sea, nor chilling stream waves.

03:20:33.280 Earth was not found, nor ether heaven,

03:20:35.720 a yawning gap, but grass was none.

03:20:41.520 Then Evenhaut said,

03:20:44.440 it was many ages before the earth was shaped

03:20:47.020 that the mist world was made.

03:20:50.580 So before the Midgard and before Vanaheim

03:20:54.420 and before Jotunheim, there was the mist world, Niflheim.

03:20:59.940 And mid-most within it lies the wellspring

03:21:03.440 that is called Verjelmer.

03:21:05.720 the torrential one the churning one and from which spring the rivers called swall gunfrau fjorm

03:21:18.520 is hard by hell gates and three are bear in mind i will go over translations of the uh rivers

03:21:41.080 but all of the translations of the river like um fimble full of course being the

03:21:47.240 cacophonous or monstrously loud and uh gunthrow is literally means battle wound um all of the

03:21:57.800 rivers are given deep symbolic names of pain and of uh cruelty and loudness there's the slurper

03:22:12.040 and there's the serpentine one there's gold which survives in our language with the word yelp which

03:22:18.280 means like the the river of mournful cries and that is uh it says hard by hell gates that means

03:22:26.760 that as is being described is that river is the river that the bridge to the uh ancestors to hell

03:22:34.280 garter where they reside the river that cuts that that bridge goes over is the river of mournful

03:22:40.920 cries it's the first river that those who are doomed to nastron must cross all of these rivers

03:22:48.600 though are easily understood because they're mentioned as a total group called the alvegaur

03:22:54.360 the the 11 like waves and they're the 11 rivers that spring from the first well before all things

03:23:04.600 it's also where the tap root the first root of igrasil resides and from there it goes

03:23:13.720 in inward and upwards until the finally it is in its resting place in heaven

03:23:20.840 not in the underworld and um we again it's very important this understanding based on the way

03:23:27.320 that the these rivers these titles these words they're being presented to us in that understanding

03:23:36.200 so long ago before all of the land there was the nifl hell the only place where you could be

03:23:43.640 you couldn't be in muspel because it would burn everything and from there these 11 rivers are 0.98

03:23:51.100 sprung, and their names are all just absolutely wretched because they're primordial. They're from 1.00

03:24:01.260 the venom and the yeast of all of this life kind of being melted and broken out. And even Helgard

03:24:10.300 is surrounded by some of these rivers. And 3D says, yet first was the world in the southern region,

03:24:18.660 which was named Muspel. It is light and hot. That region is glowing and burning. It is

03:24:26.840 impassable to such as are outlanders and have not their holdings there. He who sits there at the 1.00

03:24:34.980 land's end to defend the land of Muspel is called Suttur. He brandishes a flaming sword at the end

03:24:44.080 of the world. He shall go forth and harry and overcome all the gods and burn all the world with 0.94

03:24:51.280 fire. Thus it is said in the Vlasbaw, Suttur fares from the south with a switch-eating flame.

03:25:00.020 On his sword shimmers the sun of the war gods. The rock crags crash and the fiends are reeling.

03:25:07.600 heroes tread hell way heaven is cloven so heroes will tread hell way which is death

03:25:19.080 and heaven is cut a twain by the flame sword born from muspel so we immediately have fire

03:25:28.920 and ice and it gets way more descriptive here than perhaps say like in the volus bow

03:25:33.760 and we see that it is the land of niflheim where life and the starting of all things

03:25:42.340 this frozen land as it's being melted creates all these things but on its own and far away

03:25:48.820 is muspel and the the sons of muspel the the the fire jotens they live there and have been there

03:25:59.640 and will come only at ragnarok nothing else can be there so a lot of times that's why you'll see

03:26:07.640 in cosmological mappings you'll see niflheim and muspelheim farther away from the central

03:26:16.360 um and that is again that distancing comes from muspel um real quick i also neglected to do this

03:26:27.080 hour and a half ago i'm sorry i don't know why i overlooked these things uh jeffrey donated

03:26:32.760 25 towards balder's house steeple thank you so much much appreciated we appreciate you guys and

03:26:39.960 your generosity even when i space mentioned it in a timely manner but thank you very much

03:26:45.720 i think we got we got uh into the questions is what happened yes that's exactly what happened

03:26:58.840 but still appreciate everybody being willing to be generous and i don't want to want to forsake that so

03:27:09.560 um

03:27:09.880 um let's read five and six at least uh yeah no guys I'm just I'm just agonizing over exactly

03:27:31.960 stop i know we have a little bit more in the tank but i also it's convenient to find the the stopping

03:27:40.760 points in this um so we have okay so we have a couple questions or a big four-part question coming

03:27:52.200 through let's try to hit this question do you

03:28:04.040 i'm trying to see if it's broken up into chunks or if it's just one massive question

03:28:09.720 so let me try with what i got do you believe nature is impersonal or do the gods and various

03:28:15.400 nature spirits control nature from behind the scenes we know the gods are not merely

03:28:22.680 personifications of natural forces but perhaps they control those natural forces from their

03:28:29.160 position of agency and will i think if our relationship with nature is just natural stuff

03:28:36.120 that happens randomly it might be too atheistic materialistic of a worldview when i hear thunder

03:28:42.760 i like to think that it is thor striking his hammer i know thor is much more than that but

03:28:48.200 i personally always try to connect nature to the gods and the divine do you have thoughts

03:28:56.040 well all right what what how would you address that sfar um i believe that and we've said this

03:29:04.680 before when we talk about the good weather that holy fray brings and the good weather that lord

03:29:13.160 nior brings to the sailor and the good weather that thor brings what we're really saying too

03:29:20.040 there is clear is the primordial essence of nature is material but that the gods have great divine

03:29:28.120 power to wield it, to wield it with their will and their intention. So is nature indifferent?

03:29:36.680 That would preclude the idea that the gods are unable to touch it. So I would say, no,

03:29:45.340 nature is not indifferent, but that the gods have the ability to affect it, to move it,

03:29:53.660 to integrate it with their will that's what makes them gods do they do it all the time though i do

03:30:00.700 not believe that's necessarily the case but it would be very simple as the analogy of um if al

03:30:06.540 siri or go the picks up a brush and he paints something um let's say he's painting a model

03:30:15.020 and i pick up a brush and i paint a picture that does not mean like that only else here

03:30:22.620 ago that can be the um god of brushes or the god of painting and and i can't be or or what have you

03:30:30.380 is that these all of these primordial things are on the palette of the great and powerful gods

03:30:38.060 if those two things occurred i assure you of the two i would not be the god of painting

03:30:43.260 surface thoughts there but i mean again you know when we talk about soul soul and the sun

03:30:53.600 the first thing that's needs to like some people think oh she's the of the sun no the sun is a

03:31:00.620 spark from bus spell it's very clear it's in here we're going to read it it is a spark and she

03:31:06.620 carries a shield to protect the world from it again that's very interesting that scientists

03:31:11.360 just discovered a helios shield um as they're calling it but i digress um the the elements that

03:31:21.120 are in the world are not the gods the uh it the storm is the the vehicle the placement the

03:31:34.000 manifestation of will by the power that is that god as jotens do the same thing in the middle so

03:31:44.320 a lot of this is that understanding that we must look at um the gods their their ability to

03:31:52.000 interact to go into these bigger levels of things moving around i had mentioned it before with the

03:31:58.080 buildup of pressure between cold and hot air creating these catastrophic storms that then

03:32:03.760 something happens some catalyst this thorn this hammer if you will this axe cuts through that

03:32:11.740 pressure buildup and there's an instant vacuum but it's a huge and quick return back to normalcy

03:32:19.420 back to balance and that in there lies the power of the gods fighting the jotuns or thor fighting

03:32:27.420 the jotens there's there's much more to that and i think that if we think that nature is impersonal

03:32:34.300 in uh or just completely uh devoid of anything then you're right it is an atheistic view but

03:32:45.820 i have seen people try to attempt to say oh well thor is the god of storms north is the god of this

03:32:53.420 and you know this is the god of that and no we i think that it is important that we look at the

03:32:59.580 holy divine gods as having dominions and powers that they can manifest their will in the middle

03:33:08.060 world in some more than others because not all the gods are created equal but that they do manifest

03:33:17.260 in our world in different ways and one of the ways is through nature

03:33:26.540 yes so realistically um

03:33:34.780 it'd be cool to say you know every thunder occurrence is an intentional willful act of thor

03:33:42.140 it'd be cool to say every single raven does exactly what odin says all the time and they're

03:33:48.340 all like his you know messengers it doesn't work that way and i think we're smart enough

03:33:57.060 intelligent enough to know that it doesn't but to also know that sometimes it does

03:34:03.580 There is natural phenomenon that exist because they exist, but our gods have a particular way of expressing their will through natural phenomenon at times.

03:34:33.580 and again they're gods they can do a wide array of things and they have power over stuff

03:34:43.900 can thor tell ravens to do stuff sure but i don't think that's the natural

03:34:53.560 sequence of how that works can you know heimdallar uh

03:35:02.920 speak through the thunderstorm sure but that's not typically what he does

03:35:10.040 our relationship and our ancestors developed relationship with the gods

03:35:15.960 were that certain gods interacted with them through certain mediums of occurrence.

03:35:25.620 Those things spoke to the nature of that God.

03:35:35.740 Sorry about that.

03:35:37.460 They spoke to the nature of that God and a way of understanding that God better.

03:35:42.400 but also they were a medium by which that god

03:35:47.480 interacted with our ancestors so you know there is a science to why thunder happens

03:35:59.680 we can understand that we can understand that you know right now there may be a thunderstorm

03:36:07.820 in Uganda. Is that Thor interacting with, you know, Ugandans? Probably not. He can if he wants

03:36:17.480 to, but I don't know that that's what he's doing. But when Sven Mjörn Vintansson petitions the

03:36:26.660 Icelandic government to recognize our faith, there's no thunder that happens in Iceland,

03:36:32.620 hardly ever and all of a sudden there is such a powerful thunderstorm that power is lost to the

03:36:39.540 whole island or at least to Reykjavik yeah that's Thor um expressing his displeasure at the uh

03:36:48.720 short-sightedness of the the government of Iceland um you know there's ravens that are eating

03:36:56.160 baby diapers out of the mcdonald's dumpster up in acreage right now is that a messenger

03:37:02.460 from the all-father probably not but when we do bloat and haven't seen a raven all day

03:37:11.500 but we do bloat and two of them fly up and rest in the trees above the circle

03:37:15.780 and call when we ask for callbacks

03:37:19.000 is that the all father absolutely um

03:37:25.320 knowing the difference and being able in your mind to know that those two things exist

03:37:32.720 simultaneously is a certain amount of spiritual maturity our answer frustratingly perhaps

03:37:40.520 but really is both a lot of the time.

03:37:50.580 The natural world exists and we occupy a shared existence

03:37:55.920 with other forms of earth fauna.

03:38:02.180 But our gods interact with nature in a very particular way.

03:38:06.680 Their faithful recognize that when it happens.

03:38:10.520 and make note of it.

03:38:13.220 Certain things feel different when it's a Thor thunderstorm

03:38:18.000 and a random meteorological thunderstorm.

03:38:23.140 There's an art to being able to understand that and decipher it

03:38:26.640 when it's meaningful and when it's not.

03:38:29.740 Those exist simultaneously, though.

03:38:32.360 um i don't think anything's wrong with you using all of those things as a touchstone to

03:38:44.680 give thought or praise to our gods every time we hear a crash of thunder right um you know

03:38:54.160 we have you know us and aubrey hail thor

03:38:59.020 is every one of those a particular like hey heads up guys are you guys thinking about me

03:39:05.800 probably not but as every time we bring our attention to thor and we make a point of hailing

03:39:13.160 him because we recognize his might and his magnificence in the thunder does that is that

03:39:19.460 meaningful? Is that useful? Is that good? Does that please him in some way? I believe

03:39:25.340 it does. So, yeah, like Nick said, why can't it be both? And I think that it can. All right,

03:39:36.900 let's go a little bit more all right um section five the origin of emir and the frost giants

03:39:49.980 gung leary then asked how were things wrought ere the races where and the tribes of men increased

03:39:59.160 Then Haur, the high one, said,

03:40:03.900 The streams called the ice waves, the alvegar,

03:40:08.400 those which were so long come from the fountainheads,

03:40:12.840 that the yeasty venom upon them had hardened like slag that runs out of a fire.

03:40:20.500 These then became ice, and when the ice halted and ceased to run,

03:40:25.440 then it froze over above.

03:40:28.200 But the drizzling rain that rose from the venom congealed to rime, and rime increased, frost over frost, each over each other, even into the great gap Ganungagap, and the yawning void.

03:40:43.400 And then Evenhauer said, Ganungagap, which faced towards the northern quarter, so Ganungagap was closer to Niflheim, became filled with a heaviness and the masses of ice and rime, and from within, drizzling rain gusts.

03:41:03.660 But the southern part of the yawning void was still lighted by those sparks and glowing masses, which flew out of Muspelheim.

03:41:13.400 And then the third said, just as cold arose out of Niflheim and all terrible things, so also all that looked toward Muspelheim became hot and glowing.

03:41:25.500 But Ganungagap was mild, with windless air, and when the breath of heat met the rhyme, so that it melted and dripped to life.

03:41:35.880 Life was quickened from the yeast drops

03:41:39.260 By the power of that which sent the heat

03:41:42.140 And it became a man's form

03:41:44.700 And that man's name is Imir

03:41:47.960 But the rhyme giants called him Aur-Yalmer

03:41:52.400 Shaper 0.67

03:41:54.040 And thence are come the races of rhyme giants 0.90

03:41:58.380 As it says in the Volusbau 0.92

03:42:01.120 all the witches spring from vitul all the warlocks are of will harm and the spell singers

03:42:12.540 spring from svar the head and all the ogres of emir come but concerning this says in fat

03:42:22.400 the giant, he says, out of the ice waves issued venom drops, waxing until a giant was.

03:42:31.500 Thence our kindred come all together, so it is, they are savage forever. 0.91

03:42:40.500 Then said Gangliri, how did the race grow thence, or after? 1.00

03:42:46.520 What fashion was it that brought to pass that more men came into being?

03:42:50.280 or do ye hold him God, of whom ye but now speak of? And even Hauer said, by no means do we

03:42:59.600 acknowledge him as a God. He was evil, and all of his kindred, we call them rhyme giants, 0.56

03:43:08.320 rimthurser. Now it is said that when he slept, a sweat came from him, and there grew under his 1.00

03:43:16.100 left hand a man and a woman and one of his feet begat the son of another and thus the races are

03:43:25.140 come from the rhyme giants springing forth from his body the old rhyme giant him we call emir the

03:43:33.860 roarer you want me to go to the next section or there's a lot to talk about in that one too

03:43:46.100 so there is and i think we see the primal act of creation the shaper

03:43:56.180 is known as the roar the bursting forth of sound this is the first magical act of creation

03:44:06.980 this roaring of emir is the first galder it's the first incantation

03:44:17.420 and the the songs of emir's guttural roaring are the primal songs of existence that

03:44:29.340 call forth the manifestation of life

03:44:34.000 and I think that's an important

03:44:38.360 route to magic

03:44:43.140 I think it's an important route to

03:44:46.080 I've said this before

03:44:51.800 and it may wax overly poetic

03:44:55.180 at this point

03:44:56.540 we have

03:45:03.480 bajillions of passing thoughts throughout the day

03:45:10.160 a thought becomes something other than a thought when you speak it into existence

03:45:19.520 when it's in your head you know no one knows it doesn't have intention behind it

03:45:28.060 we have you know tons of things that flash before our our mind's eye throughout the day or whatever

03:45:35.460 but when you say hey i was thinking this thing hey i really want this

03:45:44.140 hey how about we do this or hey this is what's happening when you do that something

03:45:53.840 fundamentally changes from an idea that's within your your most fundamental inner inner yard

03:46:02.560 and you put it out into the world through speaking it into existence

03:46:08.700 that's not the same as doing a thing but it's halfway between thinking a thing and doing a

03:46:17.460 thing. It's expressing an intention. There is a primal spark of ignition to expressing an

03:46:26.920 intention. Because once you do that, there's a consequence. Hey, we should do this thing.

03:46:36.520 Matt, remember when you said that thing we should do? Whatever happened with that?

03:46:40.660 Oh, I don't know. I got lazy. I didn't do that. Whatever. There's a consequence. Or wow,

03:46:47.460 matt you said this thing would happen and lo and behold this thing happened there's a consequence

03:46:54.500 once you say something you submit it to the judgment of others you submit it to the

03:47:02.580 you know consumption of others they hear what you say you can't unhear a thing you know i

03:47:10.820 may seem unrelated um

03:47:12.740 but so when i was working i was bouncing and i had you know a number of guys working for me

03:47:23.780 they'd get real friendly with the police officers that would work with us regularly

03:47:28.500 and i had to remind them cool you think those guys are your friends but they have a job to do

03:47:35.620 sometimes you should just shut up because you put them in a bad spot they can't unhear things

03:47:44.060 so don't over speak because then you put a burden on the listener on how they're going to react

03:47:53.300 because you it's part of the weight and the uh consequence of speech

03:48:01.180 there's sometimes that you say things in anger or you say things in an incautious way

03:48:09.980 and you can't retract those things once they've been said once they're said they're out there

03:48:15.200 and so there's a consequence maybe you hurt somebody's feelings maybe you change the way

03:48:21.720 that somebody looks at you maybe you you know you deeply insult somebody and you lose a friend

03:48:28.360 Maybe you tell somebody that you have a crush on them or you care about them,

03:48:32.520 and all of a sudden they're going to look at you in a real different way.

03:48:35.640 Maybe they think you're disgusting and don't ever talk to you again.

03:48:40.260 Maybe they're smitten, and now you have to deal with the consequence of, 0.73

03:48:45.140 okay, this person likes me.

03:48:47.320 So many times, especially in the modern world that we live in,

03:48:51.340 we have so much that goes unsaid, for good or for ill.

03:48:57.940 but we spend a lot of time I mentioned earlier in the show about joining the

03:49:02.940 AFA. It's very easy for it to have analysis paralysis.

03:49:08.400 When you're stuck in a head in your head,

03:49:10.560 mulling over a thought over and over and over and over and over and over and

03:49:14.140 over certain amount of that's wisdom and planning and being discreet and being

03:49:20.240 being cunning and being wise. 0.98

03:49:22.640 but at some point it just bounces around in your head and it's masturbatory at some point if you

03:49:29.800 don't act on it and you don't speak it into existence and speak your mind the thought the

03:49:36.520 inspiration metastasizes so the the primal roaring bringing forth existence setting the world in

03:49:46.840 motion is a a valuable theme and we see it repeated throughout our lore but this is the

03:49:53.880 this is the birth of sound um i think it's also worth noting that the name our yellow

03:50:04.120 any any time anyone ever sees or reads the word gelmer they should think roarer or echoing sound

03:50:13.640 he our means shape shape like through clay he shaped yes he's the shaping yell he he is the uh 0.80

03:50:23.080 and our order specifically connected to like clay and mud and rock so he is the earth screamer he is

03:50:32.280 the uh earth shaping roar and just like you said you know you hit it right on the head is that

03:50:40.120 primordial sound that is exactly the same thing that lord othen found when he went to the bottom

03:50:45.160 of the roots and in the darkness found the sounds um but it also is like in the well

03:50:53.240 there means to like stir or um like a whirlpool so it's like the the whirling yeller uh wellspring

03:51:04.360 um and we see it again you know with many names of of them but there's some other things

03:51:09.960 i wanted to say the translations are interesting it says um you know all the witches spring from

03:51:19.720 uh wit off but in the old norse it's uh era all the frau or video so uh i think it's a haiti but

03:51:32.360 it's clearly saying like all of the the vulva all the witches or all the um yes like witches come from

03:51:42.520 wood wolf and i think that wood wolf is a haiti you know and i think it has context pro you know

03:51:49.800 is it anger boda you know i we don't know and then when it goes to warlocks they don't say

03:51:57.720 we know another word most everybody that practices house of true knows another word

03:52:03.080 it's vitki or vitkar but they chose to use the word warlock vitkar allah frau uh

03:52:13.000 again the the willful tree is the translation like the you know i don't know if that's even

03:52:22.920 like a haiti for lord odin and then lastly it says spell singers say the plural meaning uh

03:52:36.680 like sorcerers but this one specifically is masculine which makes it interesting

03:52:44.200 is it the the wording of it is used in a masculine sense so are they talking about

03:52:50.680 sorcerers instead of sorceresses or is it just simply you know a word not often used so that's

03:52:56.760 what it's agreed upon um and then of course the word ogre the word is so the i found that

03:53:05.960 very interesting when we read it in translation if we take those translations as gospel you're

03:53:13.240 going to fall into trouble and we encourage everyone to always look up the etymology of

03:53:19.480 nordic words and norse words and follow them and learn them from and in all the different

03:53:24.680 translations because it just makes you learn a lot more when they say vitki and someone

03:53:31.240 translates that to warlock that's an interesting thing um it adds it adds depth and it's not

03:53:39.000 necessarily depth that i would have appreciated or realized when i started you know my journey

03:53:48.200 but i think that now a slight difference here and there can really make a big difference

03:53:56.120 in how we internalize something so yeah absolutely we encourage that i think that's our last chunk

03:54:02.120 for tonight but i have a another question that came through is the afa the largest neo-pagan

03:54:10.360 organization in america i don't know what that means because again it's um

03:54:24.680 it is interesting to figure what counts and what an accurate number is we think about that

03:54:34.280 internally with the afa often so when we talk about numbers of afa members we talk about adult

03:54:46.680 men and women who independently our pay dues or pay their hof toller so that's members that are

03:54:57.480 actively financially contributing to the afa that said

03:55:05.800 people who are actively participating in the afa that includes a number of spouses that aren't

03:55:13.000 independently members on their own it includes all of the children who are under 18 that are

03:55:19.880 involved and it includes a number of people that don't realize they haven't made their their

03:55:26.040 contributions or whatever so our number is much more of an administrative number we have you know

03:55:32.200 i've seen in the past there was um what was it i'm trying to think of what it was even called

03:55:40.920 i think the austria community claimed this but also um there's another group it's really there's

03:55:49.320 some people that tried to claim their membership as people that click like on their facebook page

03:55:54.520 oh uh so odin's children and tack yeah in the austria community so i what does that mean

03:56:03.000 everybody that clicks like on your thing that's a real different number um

03:56:11.960 from what i have seen as far as people that actually show up and attend ritual participation

03:56:19.720 Yes, I think the AUSA True Folk Assembly is the largest, certainly it's the largest, AUSA True, anything in the broad scope of AUSA True organization in the United States, absolutely.

03:56:36.580 But again, it all depends on what we think that number means and how we track it.

03:56:42.240 But if you take it from, you know, pictures of people doing stuff regularly, I certainly think the AFA is that.

03:56:49.720 okay our next question is what actions behaviors ways of living etc most pleases the gods it's fun

03:57:10.000 That is a very broad question

03:57:14.120 I mean, again

03:57:16.100 We know that we want to be witnessed

03:57:19.960 Likewise, we know that we want to leave a good name

03:57:24.200 So we have the gods observing our deeds

03:57:29.360 And blessing us

03:57:30.900 Or deterring from our fates

03:57:35.920 Observing those things

03:57:38.260 Again, the doom seats

03:57:39.880 And then we know that the dead, the ancestral is leaving a good name behind. But we've talked about this dualism in religions kind of have a tendency to work from evil to good in their spectrum. And ours is from law to chaos.

03:58:00.860 So the better understanding is that which substantiates for the good of the folk, for the gods, for your people is order bound, whereas that which detracts, that which dissolves unity, that dissolves things, that is chaotic and that is unseemly.

03:58:25.800 It's and if the Germanic word for these, these instead of like honor and dishonor would be seemly and unseemly deeds.

03:58:34.840 So, you know, if you have someone who's just as a person doing these things and you could look at them in different ways, you could say, oh, well, I think an evil person would kind of be have more proclivity towards chaos and a good person towards law.

03:58:52.220 I think there's some merit to that, but I think that those two spectrums of chaos and law have a greater sense because when we look at, say, that which we build, if we're an ancient tribe and we have built something together and I slay one of the people in my enclosure, in my tribe, I am detracting.

03:59:17.560 I am tearing away. That's terrible. But if we're standing together and outsiders attack us and I

03:59:24.940 slay them, that is not evil. That is good. That is maintaining order from the outside chaos coming in. 0.55

03:59:35.060 So when we talk about ethics and we talk about morality, I believe that on an individual level,

03:59:43.480 What truly makes the gods pleased or look upon us is, again, great renown towards them. I think it's also in the way that things of great renown happen in the age.

03:59:58.140 um for instance now is not so much the age of say migration period tribal war but is most certainly

04:00:07.180 the age of leading our our folk back to the gods so those who do great deeds to do that i think

04:00:16.440 are of notice of worth that the gods are noticing them and blessing them whereas you know during the

04:00:24.960 age of migrational tribal warfare. It was the person who stood up and fought against the outside

04:00:32.420 chaos to protect his people. That was notice. So it is about you as a person doing great deeds,

04:00:43.780 really, I would say beyond yourself for the greater good and to maintain or build a cohesive

04:00:52.800 sense of order in all of the chaos. That is one of the hardest and most beautiful things that a

04:01:01.680 human soul can do. And that is emulating the gods. And that is, I think, worth of, you know,

04:01:09.320 of notice. Do the gods notice? I'm not speaking for the gods, but what I'm saying is, is all you

04:01:15.020 can do is emulate them by attempting to do that and pray to them, build relationship to them and

04:01:21.740 Ask them to bear witness to your deeds of doing that.

04:01:29.760 So there's a lot of different ways to go on this.

04:01:34.280 Yeah.

04:01:35.740 First and foremost, the gods can do what the gods want to do.

04:01:41.200 Nothing that's fun or I say matters to what the gods choose to think well of or not.

04:01:49.200 um but in my understanding

04:01:53.680 i think there's a couple of different pieces i think first our gods are impressed by greatness

04:02:02.820 um i think the hero has always had a special place in the appreciation of gods i think a hero

04:02:13.160 can come in a number of different things, but fame matters and doing big things for the gods

04:02:19.840 matters. We can philosophize over what that means, but I think we all know what that means.

04:02:27.520 Napoleon and Valhall. That's all I got to say. Yeah.

04:02:34.360 There's people that are obviously heroes and there's people that are obviously accomplished

04:02:39.440 overwhelmingly great deeds. On the battlefield, in the struggle for our folk, in the rebuilding of

04:02:49.340 our faith, there are things that obviously matter. I think that the God's attention are drawn towards

04:02:57.640 people that our folk praise and heap laurels upon. If we are constantly mentioning somebody

04:03:06.100 ensemble because they're amazing i think that causes the gods to give a little bit of attention

04:03:11.860 to that and to wow these guys really think something of this guy maybe he's somebody

04:03:18.020 i think that's the thing that's at play

04:03:22.020 i also think that our gods so there is a school of thought and i think this is built out of piety so

04:03:30.500 i don't i don't fault it to like who are we that the gods care about us individually you know maybe

04:03:37.620 a great hero the gods notice but the average man or woman not worth their time that's a decision

04:03:44.340 for them to make not for us to make and i think they have a much greater capacity for attention

04:03:51.140 to those things than we do so certainly i think they make note of great heroes you know we see

04:03:58.740 in the lore they they are make note of kings and of you know big things but i also think that

04:04:06.100 they're capable of making notice of small things and of genuine relationships built with devotion

04:04:14.820 over time i believe that fully i believe that each of us are capable of making meaningful

04:04:20.580 interaction with our gods through our devotional work at our altars or in our worship house absolutely

04:04:27.380 had to um you know i asked my daughter to you know hey we pray to thor to help her with you know bad

04:04:35.380 dreams at night i wouldn't do that just for show i believe that you know thor cares about my

04:04:47.180 daughter's nightmares or not as silly as that might sound i don't hold him to that he certainly

04:04:52.660 didn't have to but the fact that we would reach out to that says that's not beyond the realm of

04:04:59.180 possibility um and i think that's real i also think that if that is the case which i believe it is

04:05:06.920 the gods

04:05:08.280 there are people who have said this better and more articulately at different times but

04:05:19.200 what's better a really bad king or a really good blacksmith

04:05:27.020 you know i think there's something to be said about being excellent at what your job is in life

04:05:35.980 you know there are people who are put in a position of greatness there are generals that

04:05:43.000 are awful. And there are fathers, there are single fathers out there raising families 0.96

04:05:49.560 barely scraping by, but they are carrying a Herculean load, raising children in a good way

04:05:57.740 and taking care of people. God's noticed that. An amazing father is better than a really crappy

04:06:06.920 king that got born into it and is terrible at his job. I think they appreciate scales of quality

04:06:15.080 like that. I always would say, you know, aim for the heroic and build meaningful relationship to

04:06:24.100 the gods in a way that they, you know, you are genuinely displaying your piety. I think those

04:06:30.520 actions and behaviors obviously we harp on nobility i think they recognize a nobility of character

04:06:39.720 and i think a lot of excuse me guys i think a lot of um displays of nobility are

04:06:50.840 acts of overcoming your limitations i think the gods recognize there's something

04:06:56.520 i use the term transcendent and i think it's the appropriate word to use

04:07:04.000 there is something transcendent about moments where a man or a woman becomes more than they

04:07:13.780 were more than their limitations one of the unique things about people and about our folk

04:07:20.420 is our ability to find moments of transcendence and we see this very often in heroics and the

04:07:32.060 most obvious way that we culturally know is like these battlefield heroics that often earn people

04:07:41.100 medals of honor or uh legion of merit or you know the iron cross or whatever the case might be

04:07:50.380 for these moments of transcendence where you become more than mortal man you become something

04:07:57.800 very special for that moment you touch something outside yourself but we also see this where people

04:08:04.760 you know run in burning buildings and save people um we've we've seen it with mothers that can just

04:08:11.180 lift cars off of their children and things that are beyond the understood capabilities

04:08:20.200 of a person there are times where you face fear and you become more than you are and very seldom

04:08:28.700 do people stay in that transcendent state but something happens that's a beacon throughout

04:08:33.580 the world when you achieve a moment of transcendence the spirits take note i think the gods also take

04:08:43.340 note in that so that's something to be said but i i don't think that the steady grind of good men

04:08:54.060 and women who are devoted goes beyond their notice our gods are capable of noticing that

04:09:02.300 but i think acts of heroism and transcendence

04:09:06.220 are the best way. But there's a very long, meandering answer to your question.

04:09:16.080 But those are some thoughts I have on it.

04:09:20.340 So that's what we've got for this evening. I am still trying to decide I really want to be here

04:09:30.320 for this discussion specifically of the Guild for Genning.

04:09:37.160 Hopefully two weeks from now, Svon and I will be here to do this again.

04:09:42.140 If not, it will be because my family and I are on the road to Tennessee.

04:09:47.300 Either leaving that Wednesday or we're going to leave that Thursday.

04:09:51.140 So we're still deciding on exactly what that's going to look like.

04:09:54.720 and we're also deciding on what time vns is going to be once i make the move so stay tuned we're

04:10:04.880 still contemplating that exactly um next week we'll be joined by our law speaker alan turnage

04:10:12.880 for an episode of how do we put it it is a long-winded thing about routine about ritual

04:10:24.720 Ruts and meditation versus mindfulness and some other stuff.

04:10:30.300 It's a bunch of stuff about setting routines so that you're living in a conscious way and not on autopilot.

04:10:38.580 Anyway, it's going to be a good episode.

04:10:40.080 It'll be the first time Law Speaker's been on a little bit.

04:10:42.180 He was absent last month.

04:10:44.020 He had, I think, some holiday traveling he was involved in.

04:10:47.980 So looking forward to that.

04:10:50.040 I am excited that we are finally into the Pros Etta, which is awesome.

04:10:55.680 Gilfaginning, like I said, it's a very meaty text.

04:10:57.880 We're going to kind of spend some time on it, so I'm glad that we're doing that.

04:11:01.880 Swan, thank you for joining us this evening, as always.

04:11:05.020 Thank you.

04:11:06.540 All right.

04:11:07.180 Well, hopefully we'll talk to you before then.

04:11:09.820 But if not, until next week, hail the Aesir, hail the folk, hail the AFA,

04:11:17.300 and remember, victory never sleeps.

04:11:24.720 Thank you.

04:11:54.720 We'll be right back.

04:12:24.720 Thank you.

04:12:54.720 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - January 22, 2026

1⧸21⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 185 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 1

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