00:03:18.220So, uh, I talked to you last week about the amazing, amazing first event that we had at
00:03:27.300Sigurheim. But at the time it was just, you know, it was just me and Nathan has not yet been there.
00:03:33.200But one of the people who joined me on that adventure was Witten Svahn, who is with us
00:03:38.640tonight. So that's exciting. And before we get started in full, I'd kind of like to get his
00:03:45.660take on that and have him tell about his experience. But before that, I want to get
00:03:52.800is some top of the top of the show business um if you guys would like especially the stuff with
00:03:59.280spawn we always get questions backed up if you want yours at the front of the line uh super chat
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00:04:14.080about donations i worked it out and folks seem to like when i digest or when i break uh afa
00:04:21.760finances and stuff down into digestible bits so looking at it going through where we are at the
00:04:27.600top of the year i know a lot of people are very excited about getting phrase hoff i am extremely
00:04:33.520excited about that myself we're getting really close to hitting a couple of the markers we need
00:04:38.960to get there but the first thing that needs to happen is we need to pay off the hoff that we
00:04:43.280just got in july and that's new york's off so looking at that if every member of the astro
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00:05:00.080get started on a war chest and figuring out phrase hoff so just putting that out there
00:05:04.400if nick will throw that number or that uh link up uh you guys that's the perfect spot to donate
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00:05:26.240um yeah thinking about other stuff it's very quick it's coming up next weekend not this weekend mind
00:05:38.320you but that that first weekend there in february we're having charming of the plow at new york's
00:05:43.280off this is the first national event that york's off is hosting and this is going to become their
00:05:48.640their yearly showcase event so if you can make it to that we would love to show off our amazing
00:05:56.700Hoff to you guys if you're interested please talk to your if you're a member hey either way if
00:06:04.260you're interested if you're interested at all incoming please talk to your local folk builder
00:06:07.780and they can get you set up if you're a member they can get you all all squared away and if you
00:06:12.380want to be a guest they can have that discussion and see about getting you vouched for so you can
00:06:16.520show up either way we'd love to have you come out and i'd love to see everybody there like i said
00:06:21.800coming up just under two weeks from today i also uh think our guest witness fawn might be joining
00:06:28.920us for that it's fun are you going to join us for that yes absolutely excellent there you have it so
00:06:35.080you get to uh talk to spawn in live and in person as well as me if you would like to um
00:06:41.480um something else i guess to know and and we'll talk about this far out spawn might have those
00:06:48.980dates and nick will probably definitely have those dates but in march which is coming up
00:06:54.980surprisingly fast in march is ostara at thorshoff in linden north carolina so if that's something
00:07:02.860you're interested in attending reach out to your local folk builder we would love to have you there
00:07:07.380Like I said, same applies from your top. If you're a member, they can get you squared away.
00:07:12.420If you're not a member, they can see about getting you vouched for if you want to come check them out.
00:07:17.480I guess with that, Svon, could you tell the audience a little bit about, I guess, your perspective on how things went and what you think of the property for Sigerheim?
00:07:30.780um i i love the structure of it the the openness of the of the beginning area um there's a huge
00:07:41.340open space that we can you know build our foundations on um and then there's also an
00:07:48.860escalating um kind of uh you know roadway that goes up high into the the the hillside or i mean
00:07:59.120And it's far more than a hill, I would say, because it definitely – the pathway kind of switchbacks twice to get there.
00:08:10.060And as it moves around, it encapsulates on the backside of this open space the perfect spot, I think, for where Tirsoff will be, overlooking the folk from on top high.
00:08:26.400I think that would be an amazing thing.
00:08:29.120course structure and things like that you know we have i think we have hopes but we gotta look at
00:08:35.440you know sound decisions to make you know the pathway up there traversable uh by maybe vehicle
00:08:43.440or shuttle or who knows um and uh other things but i mean there's so much potential there
00:08:51.680um as far as spiritually coming there um seeing the land uh the the quietness the stillness of
00:09:00.800the place um you know the the the boundaries were clear clean and so i felt very very comfortable
00:09:11.840in the spot that we were in we i didn't see any ill omen i saw only good things i saw
00:09:20.800When we were holding the bloat, there was lots of portents and signs.
00:09:25.120I felt like that moment was highly faded.
00:09:28.400But on the way up there, I mean, again, we saw just natural landscape, things of that nature.
00:09:35.580We did see some of the remnants of the property from before as far as there was some natural loss of life from, I think, a couple of the animals there.
00:14:34.040to the middle world, especially in regards to faith, knowledge, the essence of devotion and piety,
00:14:43.840the orthopraxy in which these things are kind of mitigated, are witnessed first by Heimdall,
00:14:50.140heard first by Heimdall, and ultimately originate from him in his interactions with the folk
00:14:58.740in earlier early on in our in our growth so that link is can't be can't be um you know understated
00:15:10.980that that's how important there's a lot of mythological uh power in him as far as the
00:15:18.540culmination of water and of fire, of light, and also, too, being the bridge, quite literally,
00:15:32.200between the heavenly realm and the middle realm, but also, too, the bridge between the elevated
00:15:39.220plane in which the gods reside upon in heaven and how it connects them to the heavenly plane
00:15:45.600in and of itself, and that he is the threshold in which truly the most exalted mortals ever
00:15:56.500to get into heaven will pass through. And also, too, he's the fairway in which the gods descend
00:16:08.220from either of all to the well at the base of the tree in heaven to conduct their uh their judgment
00:16:16.640on and their witnessing on mankind so he is always there he's watching even while the others are
00:16:24.380mitigating um he is ever present but what uh sorry what is what does that mean though is i just it's
00:16:34.740just hitting me like swan if you're talking to somebody who might be coming into this what does
00:16:38.080that mean uh is he the god of something i don't think that we should look at our gods as like um
00:16:44.480like some sort of game in which like he's the god of candles and you know denim jackets it's a it
00:16:52.560doesn't work that way it's it instead it's understanding the the power structures of the
00:16:58.440cosmos how they work together and why they are oriented the way they are and understanding that
00:17:04.080he is a threshold to heaven and a connection point to the middle world through the the soul
00:17:10.820and the mind um is first and foremost i think the most important thing that anybody coming in
00:17:16.920to ausatru should know and that our devotion and our acts of devotion are witnessed first by him
00:17:24.840because he is the one that initiated the growth and is seeing it quite as it plays out.
00:17:36.560All right. Got a couple of questions in here lined up. Bodhi asks,
00:17:44.200Witten Svahn, can you give us an etymology of Gjallarhorn? Also, why is Heimdallr the one to alert the gods of the beginning of Ragnarok?
00:17:56.120Uh, well, first off, gyala, gyal, uh, means to scream, to roar. It's a, it's a, there's many poetic words for screaming and roaring. Um, just like we use those two words just now.
00:18:13.340screaming, roaring, bellowing, echoing, but Gela means to resound and to
00:18:21.980make a great cacophonous noise, and obviously the horn part, again, alludes to the blowing horn.
00:18:30.780The blowing horn is a definitive symbol to Heimdall. It is, as Mjolnir is to Thor,
00:18:41.660the yellow horn is to heimdall and uh throw up the uh graphic of heimdall and his jaller horn
00:18:51.140go ahead it's fun yeah so i i i the the pure and most simple is the roaring or resounding uh the
00:19:01.760the the cacophonous um horn that is um to resound from heaven and to answer the second part of that
00:19:12.640question is is the resounding um part of heaven um the tone in which that is that that that horn
00:19:22.580will be sounded is all in lieu of the coming of Ragnarok, the time in which the chaotic forces
00:19:33.320of consumption and destruction and proto-matter, or the primordial, come to rise up and try to
00:19:45.080tear down um the upper world and to uh to tear down the tree to tear down the walls uh of either
00:19:55.560vault where the gods uh upon high beyond the heavenly mountains or the heavenly mountain
00:20:01.720where heimdall resides he will sound that horn and um that will hearken the gods to awaken to
00:20:10.840release the blessed souls, the soul might of humanity, of the humans that have ascended will
00:20:18.120be brought forth with the gods to meet those forces in the great battle.
00:20:32.900Uncle Krampus asks, Witten's Fawn, Heimdallar has been attested to as the
00:20:40.460whitest God. What do you perceive this description to reference?
00:20:47.440Well, yeah, they call it the white house, the white God. A couple of things. I think first
00:20:58.120and foremost, understanding white had many different meanings, especially in the Nordic
00:21:04.160period. Obviously, it meant unblemished. It meant pure or to be unsullied. So I think in reference
00:21:16.940to that, it is first and foremost to be aware that that's most likely the meaning is that
00:21:23.200he is unsullied, pure and divine in intention, a paragon, if you will, of the gods,
00:21:33.440Especially of the union between the gods.
00:21:38.940But there are other things as well, I think, that should be noted.
00:21:42.580Now, I don't think, like, for instance, they used in reference to the whiteness of, like, white Christ during the conversion times and red Thor.
00:21:54.260And I think that in that reference would be very similar to the way that we use the word like lily, like lily livered or, you know, like a lily handed man, a man that, you know, doesn't have calluses on his hands.
00:22:07.960I don't think that reference was implied at all. And foremost, I think when we speak of the gods in the stories, I'm of the belief that the gods predicated the stories. They started them. We know that they change or kind of translate over time.
00:22:30.440There's nothing stating that the gods, you know, that the Adas are the pure word and singular truth of the gods.
00:22:36.500No, I think that they entirely understood that the stories were going to change as they were told or as meter was constructed.
00:22:45.300But I think they also, as being gods, foresaw many applicable meanings in things that may not have even applied to our ancestors,
00:22:56.840that they may have actually evolved in an understanding of our time.
00:23:01.400And so, again, that leaves a lot to question.
00:23:06.000It's like, what exactly does it mean in our time?
00:23:08.580But we have a story directly connecting Time Doll to the folk and their evolution.
00:23:21.820um and to say otherwise would imply a universal sense that um perhaps um and i've seen this
00:23:30.740played out where where they try to say no this is a story that that states the classes of nordic
00:23:38.380society and in some of those names yes that would be something that they understood but also you can
00:23:45.200see that it has far deeper meaning when you look at who exactly he is interacting with. When we
00:23:53.800talk about great-grandmother and great-grandfather and grandfather and grandmother and father and
00:24:00.040mother, we see this as a time. And I hope to go into that a little bit more about how Heimdall
00:24:05.920is connected to time um so yes well we we see it as the the idea that if we are as folk he is the
00:24:21.180god of the folk he is the white house could we apply that in modern context absolutely i don't
00:24:26.460see why we couldn't i don't see why we have to be only forced to look at the gods in the stories of
00:24:33.120the Adas and have those meanings. But I think first and foremost, it represents his purity and
00:24:40.780his strength in his being, his connection point. He is the white threshold. He is the clear,0.98
00:24:51.100the bright, the golden light of the threshold between the middle world of the material and
00:24:58.860Yeah, I think that's, you know, colors in terms of symbolic language is a deep study
00:25:12.240within itself, but white is very, very often, at least in a northern context, associated
00:25:19.380with purity, with nobility, with, like, something is white if it is unblemished, if it's pure,
00:25:27.220it's unsullied it's white and i think that's one of the one of the things when they talk about
00:25:34.180particularly high caste individuals or folks that are you know of royalty or or are visually
00:25:42.020superior they they talk about like the white limbs they talk about them being very white and
00:25:48.740radiant in appearance and i think that's something i think there's also something to be said about
00:25:54.740you know the the light that people see when they're having a near-death experience that
00:25:59.620white overwhelming light that they go towards um i think that speaks a little bit about the
00:26:04.900threshold nature of heimdall can you speak on heimdall the gatekeeper versus loki the exiled
00:26:14.020at ragnarok swan you got something to say about that yeah actually i could have i kind of forgot
00:26:21.460a little bit as I was going, but yes, that, that is again, the language of our stories that, uh,
00:26:29.120and you, and you nailed it right there, Ali, is that, um, the, the, the threshold, the divine
00:26:35.580point of connection between the material and heaven, uh, is, um, he, he never fails in his
00:26:45.380duty, he goes and stops the threat before it can lay itself upon the fields of work where the
00:26:53.400shining plain where the gods reside. They ride forward and he stops the imminent threat, the
00:27:01.020point, the absolute focal poisonous point, which is Loki, which is the kinslayer, the slayer of
00:27:10.800his of his blood brother's son that you know the um the detriment to the gods the one that's that
00:27:16.580was kind of folded in um unwittingly so and and uh so to what loki represents in all things
00:27:27.340heimdall is the opposite and uh this doesn't mean and i think a lot of people uh well well
00:27:36.360you guys are just turning loki into a devil and well it's that's not entirely true in the sense
00:27:45.360that we don't took take heimdall into one singular god of goodness and loki into one singular element
00:27:52.080of evil there's lots of um you know components to both sides because nature doesn't work in
00:28:00.940singularity but what loki is is the the center point of that or at least the the dynamic point
00:28:09.040that travels from the world underneath to the middle and then to the upper it shows it in the
00:28:16.540language that he is that driving force and so what what stops the driving force is the immovable
00:28:24.080object, if you will. All right. Our next question is, would you say that Heimdall's creation of the
00:28:38.280caste system was the caste system described in ancient India? I think this is a fascinating
00:28:45.260topic that a lot of people have had a lot of thoughts for years on. What do you think, Svon?
00:28:50.640Yeah, I think that the application of the caste system in the time that we were in the Nordic period when it was being told, that caste system applied in relation to a couple of things.
00:29:09.400One, it was easily digestible by the people hearing the stories.
00:29:13.000However, when we go back and we see maybe like multiple caste systems, we see that there's the presence of the three again, which is deeply connected to our lore.
00:29:29.540So there's three cycles that go through. And again, I'm alluding to the story itself when you speak about great-grandmother, great-grandfather, so on and so forth, going back, we see a point of evolution in the groups as they go forward.
00:29:54.120So I think that it was applied to the caste system of the time, but there was clearly more than three levels at the time in Nordic culture, and you see that three is still being maintained because that's the mythic language from the oldest, from the gods, and it has a deeper meaning than simply just the caste system of the time.
00:30:21.600I mean, when we're talking about the Thralls and the Carls and the Jarls.
00:30:26.020And you could take that into a lot of different ways, too.0.54
00:30:28.840But I'm of the belief that even back then, our ancestors understood the three castes in that sense.
00:30:37.260But there were more, you know, when we speak of like the spots between a free man and a Jarl, like being a Thane or, you know, a bonded man.
00:30:53.160um there's lots of different other classes but they the three was specific and i think that's
00:30:58.840connected to the um the the true deeper meaning of the stories is that uh
00:31:07.640as far as the caste systems go in india i mean again our ancestors understood
00:31:14.760hierarchy and that was digestible but i think it has a deeper meaning
00:31:23.800sorry guys i had to step away during spawn's dissertation on the cast system
00:31:31.020heard my daughter screaming horribly like something was terribly wrong
00:31:35.760it wasn't she was just misbehaving in his two but i still had to go check it out
00:31:40.320um uh next i've always read into heimdall and loki's turbulent relationship as a sort of
00:31:49.640dichotomy between cosmos and chaos have i been reading into that correctly if so could you
00:31:56.400expand on that i know you've already touched on this briefly spawn but uh yeah could you
00:32:01.880expand on that that's getting to the point where i don't know this is great i don't even need to
00:32:06.800be here. They're, they're, they're, they're pinging off on things. You guys are getting
00:32:11.740it for real. You're, you're getting it. Um, yeah. Cosmos, uh, cosmic order or, well, remember
00:32:18.160too, Thor is the, the, the, the catalystic moving point of cosmic order and, and, uh,
00:32:28.680natural law. Heimdall is the stasis point, the pinnacle point, the point that, that doesn't
00:32:36.240move he's kind of like i would say like the equivalency of maybe like the north star of heaven
00:32:41.040as opposed to the the north star of the middle worlds um he but it's it's more about a spiritual
00:32:49.060guidance or uh a beacon back to the the the place where the gods reside and in that he he's
00:32:57.540assemblance of uh everything that gods represent uh against or or standing up unmoving against
00:33:07.060that which is or ultimately becomes the malignant opposite of the gods so yeah i mean you're you're
00:33:15.120right on it as far as yeah i don't know if you have anything more on that one else here um i mean
00:33:22.720no it kind of is what it is and i think everybody gets it you've been over it a few times what i do
00:33:30.480think and um i'd like you to touch on a little bit more with folks is
00:33:36.320is heimdall's vigilance in guarding that entry point into the heavenly realm
00:33:46.480Um, one of the things that that's fascinating is his ability to his sharp hearing and his keen eyesight. He is, he is a God custom built for for vigilant century duty for being always on guard the all father, in order to see things and know what goes on, he sends his ravens out.
00:34:10.480heimdall just has to you know use his his vision and his senses because he's so very attuned to
00:34:17.040those things um do you have any thoughts on that or the significance of that's fun yes i well i
00:34:24.320think that first and and foremost it is to be understood that heimdall is born of the world
00:34:30.640or born of the middle so i don't necessarily uh i mean i do mean the earth but i also mean
00:34:37.760the middle, the material, the physical and metaphysical that resides in the middle.
00:34:46.280He is of it, and so therefore he can never really release himself of it. I think that there are many
00:34:52.360gods that are of this, and I don't think that the intention is to be released, but in essence
00:34:57.060that they are brought up and placed. Heimdall is placed as a figurehead on the edge of heaven
00:35:03.080because of that connection that deep connection um from the primordial which is i would say the
00:35:11.260ocean or the water um that primordial connection that he has is the perfect reason why he is the
00:35:18.280figurehead between the heavenly realm and the middle realm because what it when when he sees
00:35:24.380um and it you know he says here he um he hears the grass growing on the earth and he can hear
00:35:30.300the wool growing on sheep. What we're talking about too is like an elapsment of time. I've
00:35:36.460always taken it to mean that that connection is that he is separate from, but can always
00:35:44.000equally and instantly see the machinations of time in the middle world. Unlike, I think,
00:35:52.280that the gods see the middle world through the well. And of course, I think there's a
00:36:00.100counts of them coming through and doing things. And I'm not going to say how that works because
00:36:04.980I wouldn't be a fool to say as much. But what I think is being alluded to in the stories is that
00:36:10.600Heimdall has an instant ability. There's no disconnect between the two. And in so doing,
00:36:19.680he is always kind of, again, like a one side of him is always connected to that,
00:36:27.300to the passing of time the rotation of thing and and of things and I don't mean just like time as
00:36:32.820in time and a clock but how all things are moving and all things create these these senses of time
00:36:37.960and um he has that connection um which keeps him in correlation I think it's it's uh why
00:36:48.020when we give uh when we give bloat there's always reference to Heimdall as to um you know uh even
00:36:56.980if it's just in the first gift of smoke it's given to the land spirits but it's also given
00:37:01.060to heimdall because it's more or less not it's a witnessing moment that we know that above all it
00:37:07.460is being witnessed by him um so yes i think his his constant connection to um the middle world
00:37:21.460Now, some people have speculated that the birth of his birth, of his nine mothers, the nine maidens, the nine waves, some people have related that to perhaps maybe epochs of time or waves of like some sort of manifestation of the creation of the universe or quite literally water.
00:37:44.660Um, and I think an interesting point that we have to understand is there's nothing wrong with saying yes. Like, uh, is, is he born of the water? Yes. Is he born of cosmic waves of epochs and time? Yes.
00:37:58.800Because I think that the gods understood that as we were at this moment beginning to turn towards them again, we were going to have ideas and, you know, predications towards them that we would want to further investigate.
00:38:20.400i think they saw that coming and they knew that was was on its way and so that that applies a lot
00:38:26.960when when i'm dealing with the with the stories i i'm sure we're actually gonna i'm seeing some
00:38:32.800of the questions over here and i think we're gonna i'm gonna beat on that drum again so i won't beat
00:38:37.680on it now well i think that's that's really important for everybody to make note of are
00:38:45.200the mythic language especially when it comes to descriptions
00:38:53.920it's it's deep with layers it's multi-layered just because one thing is true doesn't mean a
00:39:01.440there's not a higher truth and even a higher truth beyond that to the symbols the symbols
00:39:06.480are multi-layered and i think that's one of the beautiful things about our myths are
00:39:14.400they're written in a way that they paint a really cool picture to explain something to very new
00:39:22.480people or to children but as you grow in your faith that picture you see the depth you get to
00:39:29.600see the illusions that the picture makes to bigger truths to other truths that affect life
00:39:36.320and as you grow and you come back to our myths at different times and different seasons of your life
00:39:42.800you will realize different truths that our myths convey from your vantage point at the
00:39:49.600different stages in your life and so i think that's absolutely important that we know
00:39:57.360those layers of understanding are built upon that mythic language but also one of the things
00:40:02.720that i just think is interesting i don't really have a i don't know a point with this other than
00:40:08.160it's fascinating to me is to see how our gods get wisdom and get knowledge of things um you know
00:40:16.880some gods get wisdom and knowledge of things by drinking from a well by consuming something
00:40:22.480by seeing into a different source by sending out ravens and having them come back and report
00:40:28.400by having prophetic visions of things by by knowing what's to come and not speaking
00:40:33.520by learning, say their magic, to conjure the dead to speak to them and tell them mysteries.
00:40:41.880And it's interesting that Heimdall's approach is a very physical and organic way of gaining
00:40:47.820knowledge. He literally sees it with his keen eyes and hears it with his ears. He perceives
00:40:53.180it in a different way. And I think that way of gathering knowledge, because our gods,
00:41:00.540to us certainly are all knowing universally in the in the cosmos are not all knowing
00:41:07.620they're wise beyond our our wildest conception of wisdom yet they still have to to attain to go out
00:41:15.500to win wisdom to win knowledge to win these things so i think that that's just fascinating i don't
00:41:22.380you know necessarily think there's a point to it other than it's just something really interesting
00:41:25.900to think on that uh the description of heimdall kind of inspires me to think on well uh one one
00:41:32.300other thing too the the figurehead point and something you had just said kind of um hit me
00:41:37.500is again the the figureheading point of where heimdall sits on heaven i i i think that when
00:41:44.700we were discussing earlier and we were talking about bragi as in the sense of sound and eve
00:41:50.940iduna as the sense of light the the prismatic nexus point of sound and light both with his
00:41:59.500gyalar horn and with his eye and the very rainbow bridge the bivros bridge the glimmering path
00:42:06.780there's a lot to be said as our understanding of these things become he is the prismatic
00:42:12.700center point in which all of those cosmic forces descend down into the middle world
00:42:21.360and so if you could see all of that funneling and all that power of the gods it comes through him
00:42:29.640at that moment and then like what you had said he then stepped forward and walked
00:42:36.240you know walked into the world very few gods uh do this in a in a sense i think that's why a lot
00:42:45.340of times there is um some wonderings or i think a lot of uh leveling of ideas that that perhaps
00:42:51.800heimdall and and uh odin are are one in the same and i i don't believe this but um but i could see
00:42:59.320because again it's such a rare and interesting point especially when uh going from a stasis
00:43:05.960throne to a dynamic throne so quickly and and and even more so rarely for heimdall that it would
00:43:13.640it would be highly suspicious but again seeing um that and what i mean by a prismatic point
00:43:22.920and this is something i just wanted to to get at is perhaps our ancestors did not see heimdall as
00:43:27.720a prismatic point. But we know now about light and its differentiational space and how it works.
00:43:35.240And suddenly Heimdall becomes not less, but more. And I think that our stories do that quite often.
00:43:43.280When we talk about the rotation of the earth with day and night, and there are two horses,
00:43:49.520Auwarker and Alsvid, for the sun, but there is only one for the moon. And I think people could
00:43:54.600say, oh, well, that's speculating about the time in which the moon is moving across. But yet out
00:44:01.780of all those three bodies, two of them rotate upon their axis and one doesn't. That has a
00:44:08.580high significance of symbolic language that I don't know if our ancestors truly understood,
00:44:15.380but that the gods knew we would look and see deeper into those things.
00:44:20.460um just want to take a second to acknowledge i see jackie over in the chat room it's great to
00:44:27.780have you here jackie is our dutch member joining us so that's uh it's great to see you on here and
00:44:34.480i hope you enjoy the program sam asks how do you feel about his depiction in popular media
00:44:41.040as a black god what are your thoughts on that swan well i mean first and foremost it's it's
00:44:49.140euhemoric right out the gate all of it is so like to make the gods mortal this is just
00:44:55.620modern man's euhemoric symbolizing of making the gods into mortal men it's it's
00:45:03.140saxo grammaticus of hollywood you know um they they still carry some of the symbology
00:45:11.300uh in their perhaps um if they're speaking about like uh marvels thor's you know um purity uh but
00:45:22.000it's all it's it's just a it's it's you hemorrhock knee-jerk lowbrow entertainment and it's i think
00:45:31.560it's okay that we just admit that right out the gate all around um and and some people can argue
00:45:37.420that it has use in the sense that it keeps the the names of the gods around but that wasn't
00:45:46.560needed by hollywood and and they're still here i mean they've they've survived conversion times
00:45:51.040they have survived much because they can't be separated from us so what you end up having is
00:45:56.760these this just kind of troglodyte kind of interpretations of the gods and when we talk
00:46:04.140about the black heimdall um i remember when this was really being discussed it's it's a hot hot
00:46:13.900hot topic but the question is is did they do it deliberately um and that is left you know
00:46:21.660i think many of us would say yes they did it deliberately they made the white house black
00:46:26.540black because they just thought that would be funny to do who are they hmm there's a lot of a
00:46:32.380lot of uh you know scratching on that one but uh at the same time you know again it the all along0.90
00:46:43.840the way the the story whether it's you know um you know i i'm still upset that they made odin
00:46:51.680uh you know they let a welshman play odin no no i'm only kidding no what i'm saying is is that
00:46:59.680it's kind of a moot point uh at from the gate it's you know they're all they're the story of
00:47:07.780you know Thor and Loki being brothers all of it is just a big trough of garbage so
00:47:15.840it's just one more thing on top of another thing it's a a friend of mine you know said it best is
00:47:23.980They're trying really hard because, you know, when you see something that is in place that's not supposed to be there, it surprises you.
00:47:33.660If it's a bad thing and it's in the place it's supposed to be, nobody's going to notice.
00:47:37.520So they got to, you know, they got to really, you know, try to shake things up and create that stuff.
00:47:44.760And I really don't give much credence in giving it value.
00:47:49.500Do I agree with – or I know that's not in the question.
00:47:52.840but i mean yeah it's travesty but the whole thing is a travesty i i it's it's one of the things i
00:48:00.040think i think people get very bit out of shape about it certainly the choice of casting in the0.94
00:48:05.400movie i have no doubt oh this god is known as the whitest let's get a a negro gentleman to play this
00:48:12.040guy um i think that obviously is what occurred but people get if they're not familiar with the source0.84
00:48:21.480material people act like this is just some intentional slap at the adas or something
00:48:27.560it's not uh this is based on a comic book that's been around since the 1960s
00:48:33.400early on you know thor's as guardian companions have always included a chinaman um it's just a
00:48:41.240a thing of of that now initially when uh i forgot about the on there you go so
00:48:47.960So initially when this came about, it wasn't an intentional disrespect to people practicing
00:48:57.020Ausatru, because I don't think that the creator, you know, I don't think that Stan Lee thought
00:49:04.040I think this is a way that Marvel Comics has always done with religions other than Abrahamic
00:49:12.600faiths in depicting their gods in, you know, as almost in a sci-fi-like fantasy way. And that's
00:49:21.840what it is. And it's kind of silly. I mean, the comic book movies don't really affect me in a0.97
00:49:27.020faith-based way, other than it's obviously insulting when they intentionally misrepresent
00:49:32.260something like that. Because of the time the movies were made, I certainly think that's,
00:49:38.480you know a fun little woke slap in the face thing but at the end of the day i don't i don't think
00:49:44.800serious people take that as a representation of our myth structure in any kind of a serious way
00:49:51.760um i don't really have strong feelings one way or another about that i've never found that to
00:49:56.720be some powerful gateway to get people involved in also true nor does it really i don't know
00:50:03.760caused me to gnash my teeth over much um shay asks in what ways might we gift to heimdallar
00:50:11.440with what names might we call him uh what are your thoughts on that's fun um
00:50:18.800gifting to heimdall again i i um i always prefer to gift in smoke and in the gift of um a burning
00:50:33.120like, uh, like an incense or, or, or something of a, of a burning and smoking nature, whether
00:50:38.840it's like, I know some people, I don't know if you would consider bay leaves to be, um,
00:50:43.800incense, but I, or guess, I guess any item that is like that, but, um, I prefer oftentimes I
00:50:50.740embark on bloat with the first initial, uh, lighting of the, the, the resills or the, the
00:50:57.980censor, uh, with smoke as the first gift. And it's a point of witnessing is, is the ideas that
00:51:04.860the, the light and the fire, um, that is laid out for the, the function of giving, um, sacrifice
00:51:16.380always to Heimdall is the, you know, the first of the smoke. Um, but I mean, as far as, you know,
00:51:24.640need uh and and um anything you put time into because remember sacrifice is about
00:51:32.440about the the time that you take to to make it the time that you take to procure it again just
00:51:38.500like as i was talking about going forth and gaining that there there is that's about creating
00:51:45.540both weird and sacrifice that there is uh movement towards it um that there's something given to
00:51:53.760attain and then then to to simply gift it up um specifically um i mean you could say it's like
00:52:05.140i i we were talking about this once before is like uh the the highest gifts to heimdall would
00:52:11.200be uh you know a ram or a seal but we're you know in in relation to his references in the stories
00:52:18.960No, I think first and foremost is actually correct timing is probably one of the best gifts.
00:52:28.520So we have our gift cycle built around our wheel of the year, and what that is is not – I mean, it is a reason to get together.
00:52:39.260But it is also an alignment where we're weirding ourselves in the alignment of the gods at designated points throughout the year to maintain that alignment.
00:52:49.660And I think that so basing your devotional or devotional faith to Heimdall, giving it in proper timeliness or maintaining timeliness all around to all of the gods is in an essence an act and devotion to him.
00:53:10.840I often talk about at the end of Yule, after the twelfth night, the morning after is like a silent prayer to Heimdall that all in alignment has been made, that all things have been kept and all promises made, and that we continue on in this new year with determination.
00:53:30.680It's, again, devotion through witness and devotion through action.
00:53:35.460Um, as far as, uh, names, some of the things that I mean, if you're talking about old Norse, there are, you know, obviously, uh, um, you know, like his referencing to his golden teeth, if you will.
00:53:54.280And I think there's actually a mythological language to that as well.
00:53:59.440But, you know, we have, you know, Gulintani.
00:54:05.460Halinskivi is one that I don't, I can't find any attestment to.
00:54:10.720But, you know, the one who bears the horn, the one who affixes his eyes, the one who stands upon heaven's mountain, the one who burns the brightest from the waves, the flame upon the waves.
00:54:25.260There's many names that I oftentimes call him the singer of the runes, the teacher, the teacher of the folk, the lord of the folk, the white house.
00:54:35.640There's a lot of names that can be leveled upon Heimdall, and Heimdall, the name itself has a lot of meaning as well.
00:54:47.700But I would say saying it out physically, that's important.
00:54:53.880You know, I'm going to go give it a different way.
00:54:57.380In what ways might we gift to Heimdall?
00:55:14.780the gods don't need our stuff so a lot more goes into it than the value or the substance being
00:55:28.360offered offering to a god is very much a symbolic gesture and by saying it's symbolic doesn't make
00:55:35.800it any less important but it shifts the emphasis from the the substance of the item to the thought
00:55:42.600behind the item um so if you want to give heimdall something that is connected to one of his
00:55:53.160myths or connected to an ancient time or an ancient place that you think is significant
00:56:00.040your act of doing that is what makes that that offering special so if that's what you want to
00:56:06.440do i think that's wonderful if you don't have that context if you don't know what to get him
00:56:12.520because you're not you know a lore scholar and you don't have some unique point of history that you
00:56:18.120think would would honor him then the default is do something that you think would be a respectful
00:56:25.320thing to offer him um you know a child may think something very different than a grown man a person
00:56:31.640who you know is a is a soldier might think of a much different offering than a teacher might think
00:56:38.440of um any of those things are fine the point is that you're making an offering out of devotion
00:56:45.320and piety and that it's done with reverence. I don't think that, you know, Heimdall is limited
00:56:52.920to, you know, a small list of items that the Lord tells us he was associated with in some way,
00:56:59.700nor do I think that about any of our gods. But I think the key is that you're offering something up
00:57:04.860out of respect and out of sharing and out of, you know, piety, kindness, and love out of your heart.
00:57:15.320and as to what to call him spawns right you can you can find in our edic lore you know fitting
00:57:26.160kennings that ancient scholars used to use and that's great um you could get clever and come up
00:57:34.120with some kennings of your own that are that you think are are clever and that you think honor
00:57:38.880heimdall but you don't have to call them something special and you don't have to
00:57:43.560have your naming of him be some source of you know creative poetry if you do that's great but if you
00:57:52.780don't it's not as though the gods need that what i think is important again is that in his naming
00:58:01.720you speak it with reverence you know i like to to oftentimes put a qualifier in front of that
00:58:10.680dignifies a deity like lord heimdall or you know some kind of a title that reflects their
00:58:18.920their magnificence or their their uh their greatness in comparison to us in like in a
00:58:25.480way to elevate them but i don't think that you're there's not a i know i'm kind of
00:58:31.960to stumble it over this here because it's a big concept to try to convey it in words, but
00:58:36.300religion is about relationships and it's not a math project or like a math problem.
00:58:49.600It's not like there's a secret formula that if you get it correct, it works,
00:58:53.240but if you're off here or there, then it fails. Like, you know, you do an equation and it's either
00:58:59.700100 right or it's 100 wrong when you're dealing with matters of faith and religion you're in
00:59:08.180you're literally sharing gifts with our gods you're giving a gift to someone
00:59:13.460in any experience you have in your life i don't think you can think of one where you need to have
00:59:19.540a certain magical uh formula to how you name the person you give a gift to or you know a select
00:59:27.620list of you know three items you can use to give a gift and anything outside of that they'll feel
00:59:33.460insulted by um and so i think that that's a really good default position from us to go on
00:59:40.500now our relationship with our buddy or even our relationship with our our grandparents
00:59:46.340isn't the same as our relationship with a god but it's perhaps the closest we can come to
00:59:52.740understanding that or you know a gift to a to a king or to a sovereign you know figuring out
01:00:00.340a human relationship and then moving from there i think is a good way to
01:00:04.820mentally approach the act of making an offering to a god
01:00:10.660um next up question what do you think about any connection between
01:00:16.660uh algies elhaz and heimdall heimdall could be seen as a protector of the vey yes i've read
01:00:29.000algies is connected to worship but the other word uh means wound what wound whose wound
01:00:36.360what do you make of that spawn um going back to the first part about uh he said algies and
01:00:46.280was there yeah algies and and l has the yeah okay sorry just clarifying well and i mean the
01:00:54.500protector of the vey too there's there's references clearly denoting uh both um thor and and
01:01:02.260tier as connected to the, uh, temples, to the strength of the temples, the protecting of the
01:01:09.040Vae. Um, but if we're talking about the, the Vae stead of the gods, yes, then yes, absolutely he is.
01:01:17.620Um, well, the oldest, the oldest meaning that we have of Algees is from the Anglo-Saxon rune poems,
01:01:29.020which were written down in the 10th century and it speaks of something that scholars to this day
01:01:34.380still don't um entirely agree on the the elk sedge uh and the um what exactly does that mean is it a
01:01:44.780is it a particular type of uh you know marsh wart or herb or bush or shrubbery that protects the
01:01:52.700water. There's been a lot of speculation on that. And, you know, of course, it's not present in the
01:02:00.640younger. But of modern times, and I think insights based on people that have studied the runes,
01:02:13.480they correlate it deeply with the connection between the divine and mortals, or I would say
01:02:21.220more importantly the connection that mortals are attempting to attain with the divine hence the
01:02:27.540upper portioning the upper reasoning and again this this applies to uh what i was saying about
01:02:34.100the devotional uh reciprocity the the faith-based um connection point and i bring that to the again
01:02:43.700point i made earlier about alignment about proper alignment with the the the gods of the folk the
01:02:50.180folk soul and the correlations of of all that that rotates and moves um a direct correlation between
01:03:00.180no but if you feel that heimdall's representation as the the focal point of heaven the prismatic
01:03:09.620threshold the the part where that all descends down um i think that algies kind of does represent
01:03:18.500the reconnection back up and the benefit of that alignment what do the gods give us in that
01:03:26.080alignment whether it's a higher understanding a sense more of place and confidence in our
01:03:33.700our fate and the way that we are our people are hope uh as well i mean there's many things that
01:03:41.160are are are reciprocated in that um reaching up there is a an equal um
01:03:48.900i guess attainment that comes from that um but yes i do agree he is the protector of the vey
01:03:56.620he is that threshold but i think it's also a representative of us attempting to attain
01:04:03.400that which is above us higher than us and that that that comes in uh devotion piety and then
01:04:12.580in that that devotion and piety turns into higher thinking higher acting uh and that starts the
01:04:19.940process that i think that gods ultimately want us as a people to undertake uh yeah i'm not sure
01:04:29.500the rune um wound um correlation or where you're where you're finding that the word somehow means
01:04:40.140uh means a wound so you know maybe if we find out some more information on that that's something we
01:04:46.380could speak to a little bit better i absolutely think esoterically as far as runes of protection
01:04:54.100algees is always always big on that list um i think that's great to use that as a symbol
01:05:04.220of heimdallar or as a you know a talisman of protection or as an idea of protection of the
01:05:09.900sacred protection of the bay um i think one of our biggest correlations with understanding algees as
01:05:17.220position of worship uh is the algae's stance or the stance of of man standing up with his arms
01:05:26.340outstretched towards the heavens and i think that's a uh a fundamental visual of that
01:05:34.900but if you see that in different uh futharks beyond protection it you know the the upward
01:05:41.380returned algaes is the life rune, whereas the opposite, and I don't know if maybe this is where
01:05:47.780some of the conjecture about wounding comes in, when you see an opposite of that, the year rune,
01:05:53.220or in other systems, the death rune is an algaes upside down. And we'll use this, we'll use this
01:06:00.220today at our interment sites of AFA members at the three people whose remains are interred
01:06:11.600at our Hoff sites, their tombstones, I'll read, starts with that life rune, then the
01:06:19.340time they were born, and the date of their death book ended with that death rune. So
01:06:25.880I don't know if that's part of what some of that confusion might be or not.
01:06:28.900Yeah, the severely wounding is, again, I may talk about how the rune poem speaks of, like, a protective sense, and it's, you know, it states in their sedge or sic,
01:06:43.080uh haveth off this on fen uh wexit on the water uh wound thought grim like it wounds greatly or
01:06:53.860grimmed and uh blood brenneth biorna a blood is born but it's it's speaking of the the the
01:07:02.320grievously wounded and um you know it lives on the fen waters uh it wounds severely and stains
01:07:10.100with blood any man who grabs it so it wounds greatly and i think that's uh again it's making
01:07:16.740reference to uh the edge of something the protection aspect of and i think that's very much
01:07:23.300what the obvious symbolism of that rune being elk the obvious symbol of that being the antlers of
01:07:29.220the elk um yeah they'll gore you and that will mess you up pretty bad if you know if you get in
01:07:36.020in a brawl with an elk, and an elk's protecting something. And as mundane as that may be, again,
01:07:42.740like I said, there's layers to these things. The iconography of that, the imagery of that,
01:07:48.660teaches you a bigger truth about the mystery of algis. So, you know, it's that fierce protection,
01:07:56.980much like the elk is protected by its magnificent antlers.
01:08:01.460um sam asks uh in beginning a relationship with heim dollar how can i build the connection with
01:08:11.900him specifically um i'm going to go ahead and take first stab at this and i'll hand it over
01:08:18.720to see if spawn has ideas on it but i want to follow up with what i just said about
01:08:23.280about overthinking if it's cool to look okay for example um
01:08:30.480when i was brand new and i didn't know anything else and i was you know i don't know at the time
01:08:38.580i was like 20 i drank a shot to freya i shared a shot i poured out a shot and i drank a shot
01:08:46.020goldschlager because freya likes gold and i um i got some cat food and i opened up some fancy feasts
01:08:57.140the kind with the little shrimps in it before because freya has two cats that pull her chariot
01:09:02.980and as simple as that is it was me using a little bit of lore that i knew at that time
01:09:09.300to try to make a gesture there's any level you can take that on it can be simple
01:09:14.740you can do something you know elaborate because you have a deep understanding of man in this
01:09:19.860region of sweden heimdall was particularly worshipped therefore you know this is a local
01:09:25.780incense they have there or a local liquor they brew there or something you can do all of those
01:09:31.300things and the thought you put in is beautiful i don't mean to minimize those kind of offerings
01:09:36.740but when you're just starting starting out the important thing is that you're doing it and the
01:09:42.340important thing on top of that is you're doing it with respect and reverence you ask how to offer
01:09:47.460to heimdall um specifically as opposed to one of the other gods and i would say reflect that in
01:09:55.860you know in your speech that you do during it respect that in the verbiage that you use
01:10:02.020in your prayer when you make an offering speak to the god um and it's not so much about getting
01:10:10.020something back i think very much we also have this you know this is one of the sacred cows
01:10:15.140in also true that that i try to like butcher because i don't think it's
01:10:20.580i think it's very misleading this whole gift demands a gift thing um if you keep score on
01:10:28.180all your gifts it's very much not in the spirit of nobility that's in the spirit of uh a different
01:10:33.860group of people and the way that they approach a lot of things um we're not keeping meticulous
01:10:40.260score on gifts that we give to friends of ours there does become an obligation to give back
01:10:45.300but it's much more about building relationship our gods have blessed us with so many things
01:10:51.940heimdall specifically has blessed mankind with so many things we could offer him gifts for the
01:10:59.300the rest of our life and not make up for the great things that he's already gifted us and paid
01:11:04.100forward. So when you do it, I would do it with an attitude of here's my offering. I'm here. I would
01:11:11.540like to be closer to you. I would like to know you better, Lord Heimdall. I'm here and I'm listening.
01:11:19.020You know, I'm one of yours and I want to build that relationship. Here is my offering and just
01:11:27.800what happens i think i would highly recommend that and it's literally some of the first steps
01:11:32.280that i did in house true and i felt very benefited by that what are your thoughts fun yeah i i mean
01:11:39.720i think you hit hit it sincerity is i think the key to making connection with the gods uh there's
01:11:48.520a lot of nuanced things that we could talk about when we talk about culture our culture uh uh giving
01:11:57.480bloat at the Hoffs, giving bloat with certain kindreds. They have certain ways of doing things.
01:12:03.040These are cultural building blocks to perhaps logistically organize 50 to 300 people,
01:12:13.260you know, giving thanks to the gods. You know, being at a bloat with, you know, well over 150
01:12:19.680people, there's actually a logistical purpose to the reason why we do some of the things we do.
01:12:25.580but the sincerity is the same whether we're doing it by ourselves or with 150 people
01:12:32.540the sincerity is what makes that connection i think that's why one of like your bloats
01:12:38.160and and some of the physical things we have seen captured on on uh pictures shows that the the
01:12:46.680results of sincerity um and i think that's what makes the biggest connection um so if you find
01:12:55.560whatever if you're doing it by yourself and you find yourself needing or desiring let's say
01:13:01.660desiring not even needing you desire to paint a picture with words you want to eloquate some
01:13:07.280maybe perhaps even show some of your knowledge because he is a god of knowledge and you want to
01:13:15.740um paint that by all means but if you don't if you can't that's okay that that doesn't stop it
01:13:22.540um you don't need to be at a harrow with with a bowl and and and a bell and a horn or you don't
01:13:31.460need to be outside at like stacked stones like they say in the adas with with uh some sort of
01:13:37.400skull on top or perhaps a grid or a circle that's drawn um these things are cultural and and i'm not
01:13:47.020knocking them by any means what i mean is the context in which they're being used is because
01:13:52.260of the culture that's built around it and uh that that has significance but it first comes with
01:13:57.780sincerity and why you're you're wanting to to have heighty for heimdall um or or names titles um
01:14:07.380like again as he was talking about simply saying lord heimdall again shows reverence and and a
01:14:15.300sense of understanding in the hierarchy of the world. But, you know, or connecting things to
01:14:22.960story-wise, I have a horn that is at Thorshof that has two seals fighting each other on the
01:14:29.900side of the horn, and it is a blowing horn to announce certain things during ceremony.
01:14:35.420That was a reverent gesture on my part. So, you know, knowing more lore and understanding those
01:14:44.500things is I think again an act of devotion but it's not like the I've done this so I get this
01:14:54.660it's it again it you could be someone who knows very little but you come at it sincerely
01:15:01.540you will gain from that interaction with the gods or you could know a ton of lore
01:15:07.160but not quite you're just kind of going through it you're you're not going to garner that
01:15:15.280connection yeah is you know is is the fbi your friend because i guarantee you they know a lot
01:15:22.940more details about you than your best friend just because they snoop and store information
01:15:29.660doesn't equal having a relationship and i saw over there in the chat uh cliff making a note about
01:15:36.840Goldschlager and Fancy Feast. I don't do the Fancy Feast anymore, but I'll tell you,
01:15:41.640I think Goldschlager is a solid beverage of choice to bloat, to give offering to Freya with.
01:15:47.260I stand by it. Not only that, but it's delicious. I would imagine that Lady Freya would enjoy it.0.54
01:15:54.260I hope that she does, but I think that's a fine beverage choice for that. It's strange.
01:15:58.840there's there's certain gods that you know we've come to uh you know we've come to an understanding
01:16:07.240or an or an assumption that they like certain things and you know even because it's not found
01:16:13.320in the eddas doesn't mean it's not legitimate we've written 54 years of modern house to true
01:16:18.680lore with the relationships that we've built um you know thor prefers dark beer is one of
01:16:26.600those things that people kind of have see have felt to be the case or sometimes tear likes uh
01:16:33.960likes a deep red wine or a merlot is what i've heard again i don't know it sounds kind of silly
01:16:40.040and i don't mean it's silly but it's it's just kind of a modern thing that we've come up with
01:16:45.720that we feel are offerings that have been received well or that uh you know things work well with
01:16:51.960and i think that's really important if you look at it's so much more important to looking at this
01:16:59.800in terms of a gifting cycle than it is in terms of a formula and there are people out there that have
01:17:06.040and so as much as i downplay really elaborate played out ceremony when doing these things
01:17:15.640i don't mean that towards anybody who does that through authenticity i mean that because
01:17:22.520that's so different than how i approach things it's not how i express myself
01:17:28.680in the most heartfelt way to some people whose brain works like that that is how they put the
01:17:34.840most of themselves into it is by coming up with elaborate lore-based you know things and then
01:17:42.200putting that love into their offering that's beautiful i don't take anything away from that
01:17:47.000just know that everybody does things different the same is true with a gift that that you would give
01:17:51.880to a person that you care about really good friend of mine gave me a gift um not too long ago and
01:18:00.200not you know defaulting to what was in his wheelhouse to what he had to what he put his
01:18:07.880soul into his gift was to was to sing me a song that was was a cover of of a band that we both
01:18:14.680like and it was a really apropos song but it was really heartfelt and that made it really touching
01:18:21.000i think that the heartfelt part is what is essential in any kind of offering
01:18:26.680and it's especially essential in that first introductory like hey i'm just coming into this
01:18:33.720i don't know you well i want to introduce myself and i want to start a relationship
01:18:40.760i think that you know first it's really cool that you want to do that and secondly
01:18:46.200don't let any hesitation about doing it perfect i'll hold you back there's
01:18:54.440it would be wrong to say that there's no right and no wrong way to do it there certainly is
01:18:59.160but the things that make something one of the many right ways to do it is piety. The thing
01:19:06.400that makes it one of the infinite wrong ways to do it is irreverence. So as long as you use those
01:19:13.060as guideposts, I think you're in a good spot. Our next question, am I correct to assume that
01:19:22.240the gods time that to the gods time is irrelevant there is no past present or future it's a state
01:19:30.680we as mortals can't put into words so no you're not entirely correct on that but you are correct
01:19:43.800in the last statement that it's a state that mortals can't put into words because i don't
01:19:49.140think that either Svan or myself could give you the exact understanding that a god would have
01:19:54.760of human time. In the AFA, we believe very much in something that we call mythic time
01:20:01.600and mythic space. And in that context, our conception of time runs simultaneous to where
01:20:12.740the past, the present, and the future, all are going to happen, all are happening, and all have
01:20:21.140happened simultaneous. In the realm of the gods, how exactly they perceive time could be very,
01:20:27.380very different. To explain to our ancestors, certainly we see our myth cycle laid out with
01:20:34.960a chronology in a lot of ways, with a foreboding about Ragnarok or a pre-understanding about
01:20:41.180something that's to happen in the future or a maturation process of things. So I think that
01:20:48.400there's certainly some component of time to our gods, but for us to say exactly what that looks
01:20:53.960like from their perspective, I think is an impossibility. But yeah, the most true thing
01:21:00.020that you said is it's a state that we as mortals can't truly put into words. So do you have any
01:21:05.200thoughts on that, Svon? Yeah, I just, when I think when the gods, or when we speak about the gods
01:21:13.160in relation to time, we are talking about movement. Things move from many different levels.
01:21:21.500Understanding of our concepts of time can change based off of gravity and mass, and we can go into
01:21:28.340all kinds of things like that but all of it is about movement and the gods seeing and understanding
01:21:36.500the movement of the universe themselves within it themselves also kind of outside of the material
01:21:43.380movement um and and correlating or or being uh intimately connected to it but somewhat outside
01:21:50.980of it it's it's an acknowledgement of movement because i think that the the goals that the gods
01:21:56.340have spoken of in the stories about the attainment of understanding the past to seeing into the well
01:22:03.380these are great symbolic points of understanding levels of movement and that i think is what
01:22:12.020is the true correlation of time i think that's why we um are our priestly symbol
01:22:18.900of the Raido rune. The Raido rune is, again, yes, it is about understanding movement. And that
01:22:30.380movement, being aligned with it, is again a correlation of understanding of time. Time as
01:22:38.860we see it, and not understanding or proclaiming that we understand the way the gods see time or
01:22:46.060movement, but that they do see movement. They see movement beyond even what we can see. Ours is very
01:22:54.620limited. Collectively, it's better that we see it as we move together, but still, again, hard to
01:23:04.140encapsulate in words all the movement of the universe and the heavenly realm as well. And even
01:23:13.420the the realm that doesn't move the the unmoving the the the the lower realm the place that is
01:23:20.940separated from time so i see nate from colorado over in the chat room it has been far too long
01:23:30.220since i've seen you and spoken to you nate i hope you're doing well um antonio's got a question and
01:23:36.060i think this brings up something that spawn and i and our gothar spoke about a few weeks back
01:23:41.740and i think we can elaborate on a little bit more because i saw some questions about it when this
01:23:46.220came up in the chat room um antonio asks for february since we're close to it what gods or
01:23:53.900goddesses is the best to celebrate valentines oh the volley the volley so yeah so this is what i
01:24:03.420saw in the in the chat room. First, somebody made the point that, you know, our major celebration
01:24:11.740in February is Charming of the Plow. And that's true. But it doesn't mean that we can't celebrate0.81
01:24:16.940Valentine's Day. But there's not, Valentine's Day is not an evolution of a of an Ausitru holiday.
01:24:27.660and somebody mentioned that the afa celebrates uh valentine's day to to valley and i don't
01:24:37.820though that's cringy it is based on something that's something that the old afa certainly
01:24:44.460did because it was you know one of those kind of
01:24:50.300one of those kind of cringy initial steps in figuring things out and i think that they
01:24:56.940imagined an association there linguistically that that's not the case. But yes, it is a fact that
01:25:04.300in modern Alstatut, there was a time to where people did celebrate to Vali on Valentine's Day.
01:25:12.560Now, there's never a wrong time to honor one of our gods. If that's what you want to do,
01:25:18.700it's not hurting anybody. And I'm sure Vali appreciates the honor and the celebration that
01:25:25.780gets but just know there is no there is no connection other than they both start with a v
01:25:33.460and a um and there's no connection there go ahead and the bow well and the and the bow
01:25:43.140but if anything i think the bow makes it worse because it makes a
01:25:50.340and this may seem like a strange concept too but i was talking about that this with our gothar
01:25:58.260i don't want to be irreverent to gods generally i certainly don't want to call
01:26:06.740in cause any irreverence by insulting greek and or roman demigods
01:26:17.060by talking about the association with with cupid or anything else that has to do with an air with
01:26:23.460with a valentine's day archer so i i would like to not even confuse that worse and that is one
01:26:30.340of the things that does make it a bit more confusing um but yeah so svan if if you could
01:26:37.620advise you know aside from the fact that we should also celebrate charming the plow in february
01:26:43.780if there were a particular god or goddess that you think would be the best to celebrate
01:26:50.340uh on valentine's day syalvin syalvin right away um that it's like i want to get it out as soon as
01:27:00.260as soon as you started angling in that direction it's like seven uh the holy lady syalvin for us
01:27:07.540is the maiden of Fensaler, the mistress that covers all matters of love. I think like what
01:27:18.860you had said, it doesn't mean that we can't celebrate St. Valentine or whatever. I guess
01:27:23.620I don't know how that's, you know, that doesn't really have a place except in name now. It's
01:27:29.860culturally a day of love. I think there's a lot of holidays that we have culturally
01:27:35.500here in the United States that maybe some of our members elsewhere might not, you know,
01:27:40.700understand or culturally connect to. And I think culturally their holidays that they may have
01:27:48.940are also important because we don't want to be alien from the culture, our countries, our nations.
01:30:34.300we are never going to have things perfect in the way things perfectly should be done
01:30:45.200ideally we're going to get ever closer to that level of perfection but there's never going to
01:30:50.620be a point that we can't refine something or do it better or add something more or do something
01:30:58.080to improve. And that doesn't cheapen or invalidate all the things that came before.
01:31:05.440In the process of the development of Alcitru, there have been countless, you know, missteps,
01:31:12.160most of them minor, but there have been a lot of missteps here and there.
01:31:15.840There will continue to be missteps. But this is one of, you know, to carry on a theme tonight.
01:31:22.320If the intention is piety, then perfection is what you shoot towards, but the effort in and of itself is worthwhile, and it's not wrong.
01:31:41.780No, there's no association between Valley and Valentine's Day.
01:31:45.540But if that's what you do, and I'll tell you this, if you happen to be one of the rare people who's, you know, second generation Alcitru and your family has done that for the past 30 years, that's fantastic and awesome.
01:31:59.620And I wouldn't want you to change that for anything in the world.
01:32:01.860So I, you know, don't have Valley wearing a diaper and like cherubic because that's silly.
01:32:09.780But if you're doing it out of genuinely, that's when your family honors Valley, then absolutely keep doing that.
01:32:16.200Go for it. Just, you know, just know why you're doing it.
01:32:21.440But it's like I said, it's very easy to sit here and be like, oh, that's a cringy thing they did in the 80s.
01:32:26.800and i guarantee you you know 30 years from now 40 years from now people like this cringy thing matt
01:32:32.400did back in you know 2023 i'm sure that's going to happen more than once so um we just need to
01:32:39.920be respectful of our roots and where we came from and hope that our descendants will show us the
01:32:45.120same grace um next question uh what do you think about the misconception of odin being the one
01:32:56.080who gave the runes to humanity when it was actually rigor heimdallr so i think there's a case
01:33:04.720i think that puts it a little bit too black and white and too stark uh swan what are your what
01:33:10.320are your thoughts on that break that down for folks that may not be familiar with those myths
01:33:15.840well and and we're specifically talking about uh rigstula uh the story of in which heimdall comes
01:33:24.480down in three times and in the evolution of the castes or the evolutions of the folk.
01:33:32.480By the last, he teaches Koenig or King how to recite poetry, how to fight from horseback,
01:33:41.220how to play in games of strategy, and how to read the runes.
01:33:46.040And this is always kind of interpreted or seen as that this is a giving of the knowledge of runes to the folk.
01:33:59.660And of course, there's confusion because it's Odin who gives the knowledge of the runes to the gods.
01:34:07.740But again, when we're talking about the runes, that placing himself upon the nexus center point of Evan and seeing the constructive sounds and movement that create all and then bringing that knowledge forth and being seen as the rune father.
01:34:31.320He is rightfully so. Um, if we are to take it in a sense of, uh, again, in the, in the Nordic period, um, you know, if they, what were they with, were they talking about the younger Futhark? Were they talking about writing or conveying message, um, through writing?
01:34:50.740Um, I think that it's, it's important to remember that in the story, it is conveyed that Grigg teaches Koenig the, the map, the, the power of the runes.
01:35:06.080It's not quite known whether or not the runes were perhaps known amongst men and that he teaches him correctly.
01:35:12.420um but again if we're talking about symbolic language again konig is of course the most
01:35:18.800noble of mindset or the most noble of spiritual soul set and the runic power is understood to him
01:35:26.020taught to him by heimdall um this again could mean an attainment of or going through the process of
01:35:33.740evolving to understand them in the the purest form um again knowledge and all knowledge that
01:35:40.720comes from the gods passes through that prismatic threshold that is Heimdall. So that would fit
01:35:48.780very well. But I do often like to point that out to people as well, that when they say,
01:35:57.240Odin gave the runes to mankind, it's Heimdall. But there's a reason I think that threshold is
01:36:07.640important, but I don't think it's meant to be taken, uh, absolute in, in literation of,
01:36:13.740of the story. I think that there could be a lot of deeper meaning and understanding and,
01:36:18.820and what that might, you know, pertain to as far as understanding them correctly
01:36:26.280and things of that nature. Um, again, though, it's, it's, I, I think too,
01:36:33.300there's a lot of Hellenicism in the Adas that this kind of does make Heimdall very connected
01:36:39.560to humanity. And so a lot of people that I have talked to have often, you know, immediately kind
01:36:45.160of associated an essence of Promethean knowledge given to humanity. And the folk are called
01:36:54.420Heimdall's children or, you know, the people of Heimdall. And so I do consider Heimdall to be
01:37:02.740the lord of the folk, the lord of our people, and I think in his name alone it does kind of allude
01:37:10.780to the centering or the sourcing of us as a people, and in so I think there is transference
01:37:17.960of knowledge from that time that Heimdall did pass on. In a way I kind of believe that's where
01:37:26.060the stories originated from as well, is that these stories that have evolved with us over time
01:37:32.020came from the gods to man, and man has taken it and have, you know, broken it down into meter,
01:37:40.880have brought it into song, and have conveyed it into stories to children.
01:37:45.640So there's a lot of knowledge there that was, I think, passed down.
01:37:48.700And again, he is a threshold as much to heaven as he is to earth
01:37:53.800in regards to much of the great wisdom and divinity of the gods.
01:38:02.020Yeah, I think that's true. I think that's one of those lore fine points that, you know, folks who think that Odin gifted mankind with the runes, they're not wrong.
01:38:19.740Odin discovered the runes, learned the runes, took runic knowledge, and then applied it in ways for men to use.
01:38:29.960He won for conscious creation, the runes.
01:38:35.420And yes, the lore says the Heimdall instructed King on how to use them.
01:38:43.320but um i just i i just think that it's it's not entirely correct to cut odin out of that
01:38:50.040that runic equation um because i think that's a big part of how our people got the runes was odin's
01:38:57.800learning them and getting them from from the gap getting them from the void collecting them
01:39:03.240when he hung on the tree and bringing that knowledge to conscious creation um
01:39:12.600Does the AFA celebrate Yule during the full moon of Rukmanudr after the winter solstice as it is traditional from the old days?
01:39:25.740No, not at all. The AFA celebrates Yule from the night of the 20th through to New Year's Eve.
01:39:34.220um that's when it's yule time that's when colloquially our people have celebrated
01:39:42.820the midwinter end of winter holiday celebration since you know long remembering and that's when
01:39:53.700it makes sense to do that we celebrate yule certainly the the solstice occurs during yule
01:40:00.380but no, we don't try to do, you know, moon calculations and celebrate it, you know,
01:40:07.240into January or whatnot. It's a very convenient and useful time for us to celebrate 12 days of
01:40:13.440celebration to start, you know, to start the night before the solstice and take it all the way to
01:40:18.800culminate at Mother's Night or at 12th night on New Year's Eve. And I think that there's some
01:40:27.260people that have been mentioning that like i i got into not not a a debate or anything it was just a
01:40:32.780commenting about that um most of those people that are speaking of that time i i if you're following
01:40:39.280the anglo-saxon timekeeping uh yes you're uh yolmanov and uh these things were extended and
01:40:49.980don't align up with the gregorian calendar i a lot of people know that i'm a i'm a big calendar
01:40:55.260fan about timekeeping just in general um but that's again the anglo-saxons used that that's
01:41:04.760not saying that the germans used that and we we know this by the different namings of the months
01:41:10.580uh or the nords and how they kept time and so you know again i always say well that depends
01:41:18.780really on what calendar you're using and uh you know for us uh yule and starting around the knowing
01:41:27.180about the winter solstice is important i mean our ancestors saw the new year as in winter nights
01:41:33.340they saw that but that's because they also considered the new day to start at sunset
01:41:39.020but now we know by you know greater knowledge our understanding of when the day starts we have now
01:41:46.300aligned the day to start at midnight in the middle of the night because we calculate time
01:41:50.940differently. And so, you know, in much the same way, our changing of understanding about the year
01:41:57.740has changed. So instead of seeing the new year necessarily at winter nights, like our ancestors
01:42:02.680did, we see it, you know, at the midwinter as, as a, uh, the darkest point. And then the unfolding
01:42:09.400of the new, the new time coming out with the sun that has a lot of power in and of itself
01:42:15.180culturally for us now. So I think that sometimes people will say, oh, well, you're not doing it
01:42:21.280right because, you know, it was three days on the Yule moon, the full moon around this time.
01:42:27.540And you notice with like the Anglo-Saxon calendar, it does drift a great amount. And then it has to
01:42:33.020be realigned with an intercalendary month. But again, that's not everybody using the Anglo-Saxon
01:42:41.080timekeeping. You know, and this goes back to the, it's about relationships and it's not a math
01:42:47.160formula. Let's say, I don't know, let's say Alzheimer's Goethe number three decides we're
01:42:58.580going to celebrate the entire month of December as Yule. We're going to have 31 days of Yule
01:43:03.140because that's what we're doing. Doesn't make it wrong. It makes it a lot. It might make it
01:43:08.440excessive but it doesn't make it wrong i think it's very easy to you know push up your glasses
01:43:15.880and say well actually when it misses the point there's no there's no pretense the afa makes no
01:43:22.760claims that are that ancient vikings used to celebrate yule for 12 days starting at the 20th
01:43:28.360my claim is is that the austral folk assembly since 1995 has done that and so that's what we
01:43:33.800continue to do because that's our tradition we've developed and it's worked really well
01:43:38.760for us in the cultural context that we're in um go ahead another part another part to that question
01:43:46.520um uh do you do you consider sacrificial blood as the coin of the gods all right i thought that was
01:43:52.600a completely separate question but i was about to read that so go ahead and give us your thoughts
01:43:56.920on that's fun yeah does the afa celebrate your uh during the full moon of fruit manada after
01:44:03.960the winter solstice as it is traditionally from the olden days do you consider the sacrificial
01:44:08.200blood as the coin of the gods um i think it's worth noting what that coinage represents to
01:44:15.800our ancestors i mean uh you know like if we're talking about like gorman other and the the month
01:44:23.160of of culling the herds and giving thanks um by gifting with exchange of the bounty uh and the
01:44:32.760loss of that gift um that that is to be shared with the gods is also again creating a a deficit
01:44:42.040for the folk but in order to ensure that the cycle is continued and that to give reverence to the
01:44:48.040bounty but that can apply to many things and we see that with our ancestors a lot whether it's with
01:44:54.920um you know uh again we talk about um bog sacrifices as far as like weaponry and uh perhaps
01:45:04.400even the you know um the war prisoners of the migration or early germanic periods and things
01:45:12.500like that again it is about the context of the gift and it's uh it's purposing i think that the
01:45:21.860again the intent and the um sincerity of that intent and also to the the the loss and what
01:45:31.600that represents in that gift um the the price it takes to i often talk to people at the hoff when
01:45:38.680many of them come from for hours and hours away. And I tell them, you know, you have started your
01:45:48.480gift giving the moment you left your home. You have traveled miles and miles and miles and placed
01:45:56.160much time to come out and stand with your folk before the gods. Your gifting has started the
01:46:02.740moment you stepped out that door, um, and taken the adventure and the deed to come and, and give
01:46:11.840faith to the gods. And I don't think that blood or the blow, the blothing, uh, is somehow more0.57
01:46:19.860paramount. Like, ah, you know, these people are giving mead and I'm giving, you know, blood. So
01:46:25.860well, my gifts are better. Again, it comes to about sincerity and the nature in which you are
01:46:32.660giving and what you are giving and why you are giving. And I think that's one of those evolutionary
01:46:37.520steps that has happened in Ausatru simply because of the nature of our society. Very few of us are
01:46:45.520strictly agrarian anymore. I have met some Ausatru who have homesteads and they do give
01:51:49.720that's the highest one because if I meet folks who are interested in also true,
01:51:55.100if i and i don't proselytize i just simply speak of like what i'm doing and then that that goes
01:52:02.080into well what is you what is this so you believe in many gods and then it's oftentimes it's just
01:52:08.160the easiest way for me to lay that out and say here read this and it gives you a very basic
01:52:14.600understanding of where i'm coming from spiritually and that usually starts um
01:52:21.860a uh you know a a conversation that that i think has highest value is in because i've
01:52:30.340i've used it so often to start a relationship with someone to help them build a relationship
01:52:37.300towards the gods and to better understand why i am doing what i am doing and why i have
01:52:45.060um a desire to bring myself into alignment with the gods and i think there's a lot of philosophical
01:52:51.060points in that book that help really diffuse a lot of the the clinging tissue of Abrahamic faith
01:53:02.220without it being necessarily um it's not about destroying another faith or saying
01:53:10.880you know I I hate this faith so I'm gonna do this instead it's like no there are people that
01:53:18.720have great value in this ideology, but I find more value in this ideology, and this ideology
01:53:24.680is more important to me, that being of good deed, a being of clean word, not abiding by
01:53:31.340things, being loyal, building relationships with the gods, building relationships with
01:53:37.660the community, all of these things are continuously laid out in that book.
01:53:43.000So I would say it's my favorite because I've utilized it as a threshold so many times.
01:53:51.420i think my favorite and this is this is an obvious one is uh astro native european spirituality by
01:54:02.300steve and that's for a couple of reasons um i got to i got to proofread that before it was published
01:54:12.540which always makes it kind of cool and special to me that i was one of the the early people that got
01:54:17.260to see it um i also just think that a lot goes into making a book that sometimes people don't
01:54:24.620realize and in the era where a lot of things are self-published it's very easy just to roll stuff
01:54:32.460out that's not as refined as it should be or as it could be i know that steve took a lot of time
01:54:40.300writing that book and polishing it up and making it um making it look the way that it does
01:54:48.620and a lot of effort went into it and in sharing it and it's become a really important book to uh
01:54:58.300to introduce new people to alsatru and give them kind of an idea of
01:55:02.860what the afa came is and where we came from and i think that's a that's a really useful
01:55:09.100and interesting book and like i said i have kind of a personal connection to how the book
01:55:12.860came about so that's probably my favorite um cascadia patriot come on now what song and what
01:55:19.500band uh the song your friend sang to you um wishing well by black sabbath but the important
01:55:25.900part is written by ronnie james deo who me and my friend both really admire and thinks an amazing
01:55:31.740songwriter um sarah asks should we and how can we take back the rainbow what are your thoughts
01:55:45.900on this one again another one that i was kind of like uh i was i was waiting for you know in a way
01:55:54.620um we have it already it's our birthright but we don't have to um take anything back
01:56:04.760it is it uh when something is made in in mockery of or in an attempt to uh facilitate the same
01:56:13.940beauty um i mean there there there's imitation of it or there's an attempt uh crude hands to sculpt
01:56:22.760uh you know divine light in other ways and with other purposes and i i i just think that
01:56:32.340in reality we we have it already um you know when we talk about bivrost bivrost is the glimmering
01:56:40.580path um and there is some etymology etymological connections to the possibility of heimdall
01:56:47.520um uh a dollar like as a bow or an arc and heimer being the world so he he being the the world bow
01:56:58.720that that is um you know the the reclamation of of anything in that regards is is is starting off
01:57:10.480with that it was lost to begin with the to reclaim something that was lost it's never been lost
01:57:15.800We have every right to it. It is ours. And so other people will use that symbology for other means and other reasons. But for us, that is the connection, the divine connection.
01:57:31.380And it is shown in its spectrum to have, you know, that meaning, that bright fire.
01:57:39.180But it is, in a way, we are, you know, I guess, reconstructing the meaning to make people aware that we still attain it.
01:57:53.300And I think that's what you're talking about is how can we build the awareness that we attain it.
01:57:58.820And I think that is in, again, the construction of our Hoffs, in the devotion of our faith and in our piety to the gods and our deeds in which we honor them.
01:58:12.260And, of course, you know, Heimdall, we are of Heimdall and Heimdall is of us.
01:58:18.800So we don't have to reclaim something that is already ours, holy.
01:58:31.060swan says that the rainbow's still ours but i if it wouldn't come back on the integrity of the
01:58:41.180afa i would challenge swan to go around wearing rainbow clothes
01:58:44.320very quickly see why that's a poor idea and i think that that illustrates the conundrum that
01:58:51.480we're in. A couple of thoughts on that, and I don't, they're tangentially connected. First,
01:59:02.240symbolism is about communication. Right now, if I had a rainbow flag and started wearing rainbow
01:59:12.680stuff, I would be communicating to people that I'm a homosexual, and that's not something that
01:59:19.240is the case nor that i would want to communicate to anyone so how we incorporate the rainbow and
01:59:25.080things that we do has become important and we notice this um my wife and i now that we have
01:59:30.760have aubrey is you know just her clothes as a little girl do we get her rainbow stuff because
01:59:36.840little girls wear rainbow stuff or do we worry that if she does that then people will assume
01:59:42.920we're virtue signaling through her about you know some degeneracy agenda um and unfortunately
01:59:50.920that's kind of where some of that's at one of the reasons and this is a very conscious effort on my
01:59:56.680part with our hoffs is to really embrace and celebrate bright colors um for far too long
02:00:06.920I think that people involved in Asatru, people involved in other movements that we might be involved in, people who are share space with us ideologically have embraced this like dark, you know, shoulder pelts and everything's got to be black.
02:00:32.020And I wanted to move away from that. Our ancestors always celebrated bright colors and things that were shining and bright. It wasn't about trying to be dark and spooky all the time.0.92
02:00:45.920So, though I think there's a time and a place and, you know, black is a cool color for certain things, it was really important to me that with our Hoffs, especially with these first 12, that we utilize bright colors.
02:01:02.740and in that way literally and I've always seen this as a literal way of working out the myth
02:01:09.760structure that we're literally rebuilding a rainbow bridge connecting us to our gods through
02:01:15.960our very brightly colored um hoffs through the reestablishment of these temples is is reconnecting
02:01:23.480or certainly strengthening a uh a very worn connection between ourselves and our gods through
02:01:30.860these Hoffs. So in that way has been kind of a thing that I've tried to do. And also, I think
02:01:36.760that factors in with why I'm wearing a ridiculously bright red shirt today and why I try to be a
02:01:42.000little bit colorful in some of the clothes I wear for bloat things because I want to celebrate and
02:01:47.140I want to embrace, you know, those kind of bright colors and that attitude of celebration and not
02:01:53.080just, you know, being grim all the time. I don't think it's quite as full-throated of a take back
02:02:00.040the rainbow initiative is as perhaps the question was implying one might be but it's a subtle way
02:02:06.360that i've wanted us to reclaim the rainbow in an important way culturally and between us and our
02:02:13.080gods um sarah also asks and i'll let you like do the do the biology and science on this spawn
02:02:22.200mechanically how is one born of nine mothers
02:02:25.960well again um when we see in the stories um the the the the creation the connection and the
02:02:39.580culmination of the gods um they are often and always in a deeply uh meta-narrative sense where
02:02:49.240there's kind of a story going on that means and alludes to many great things one of the things
02:02:55.720that I've often thought about is the name Heimdall.
02:03:09.420There's a lot in the etymology of the name Heimdall.
02:03:13.320I had mentioned earlier about Heimer, the world,
02:03:17.080and Dallur perhaps having relation to the bow.
02:03:20.300There is another heavenly god that we also honor, Dallinger, and that means, of course, to light, and the doll or doller at the end of Heimdall could allude to a shining light, so it would be the light of the world or the world light.
02:03:37.600um and also uh heimer or heima uh to be the home the home and dollar possibly meaning the dale
02:03:48.320and so if if i was to say like the name there could allude to the possibility of an origin point
02:03:58.700a home dale, one of the thoughts that I had was, what if there was a way or a secret entwining
02:04:10.860in the poems and in the stories about a place, a home dale, an origin point, a point in which we
02:04:19.140did have connection to Heimdall, and that place was a coalescence of rivers. I thought about it
02:04:27.060in a very physical sense. And there has some names like in Iarnsaxa, which again has placement
02:04:39.960with Thor, is mentioned to be one of the mothers of Heimdall. And the connection to that possibly
02:04:46.980being the name of a river is one thing. But again, when we talk about time and mythic time
02:04:55.800and how things are layered on top of each other.
02:05:23.300there is produced this being of the middle that is Heimdall. There's a lot, and I think that
02:05:33.640there's a, theosophically, it's really interesting to wonder about, but again, the fragmentation of
02:05:42.020the stories is scant. And so we look at the nine mothers, again, the nine sources, the nine
02:05:53.360waves. I know that some people, we see that a lot in the Nordic stories. There's even the nine
02:06:00.880waves of Eir, the primordial etin or jotin of the ocean, the most primordial state of this
02:06:10.100physical world um is being the ocean and so some people have tried to connect that heimdall is born
02:06:15.320of those same i i think that uh it would lend to better understanding that there is a nine
02:06:22.700substantive waves that create the the divine being and that has a much deeper meaning than
02:06:32.960direct physical waves or direct physical rivers i mean i think that perhaps again it could be
02:06:39.840secretive and and alluding towards things but the gods are not uh you know it's it's not about how
02:06:47.160much um you know mass gainer uh thor has to drink in order to you know lift mjolnir uh and i and i
02:06:56.140wish that was a joke but some people have actually like talked about that on the internet like tried
02:07:01.940to conceptualize it i know that you also really was have been witness to some of that kind of talk
02:07:08.020And I think that understanding the possibility that the gods are born of multiple layerings of cosmic forces or primordial forces or forces connected.
02:07:22.680Again, I believe that Heimdall comes from the middle and is ascendant up and placed as a threshold to heaven.
02:07:29.640And he's always connected to the source in which he was made here.
02:07:32.460And anybody that knows about the Wainic gods or the Vanic gods would understand what I'm talking about. That being born as a bright flame from the waves of water has a deep, significant meaning amongst our people, but I'm still speculating on exactly the mythic meaning behind that.
02:08:02.460That's something that Svonne and I have talked about a little bit, and we're still very much discussing and thinking on, but the relation between the nine waves and myths involving Poseidon, and perhaps a connection between Njordr and Heimdall in a way on those waves.
02:08:25.520And I think that's an interesting thing. But mechanically, certainly Heimdall did not occupy nine different wombs in a biological sense. That doesn't make sense.
02:08:39.340But when you talk of something being being born of something, you know, linguistically, it's completely appropriate to talk about the circumstances causing something for them to be born of it.
02:08:52.380If you have a, you know, a hatred of someone born of jealousy, it's a turn of the phrase that that means that brought it into being.
02:09:01.240And certainly these nine waves of things brought Heimdall into being or created Heimdall in
02:09:09.020the way that we've come to know him and shaped him.
02:09:12.420Exactly the deeper points of those things, again, it's something we're kind of discussing
02:09:17.680and hopefully we come to a better understanding of the more we worship him.
02:09:21.560Hopefully when we get a hoff to him, the way things are going relatively soon, we can
02:09:29.660develop that relationship deeper and come to a better understanding of that in the meantime
02:09:35.420lawrence forbes our uh loyal canadian to the show gave us 10 and said a great stream y'all
02:09:46.780well i we appreciate that lawrence and as always we appreciate you
02:09:50.940tuning into the show and being part of things we're all southerners to the canadians there you go
02:09:56.380i don't know you're an icelander i think that's further north
02:10:05.820so obsidian skull asks from the perspective of aussitore do you think that uh manichaeism
02:10:16.860is not a natural position within heathenry and do you think it could be a position inserted by
02:10:23.980upbringing residues of a Christian society. What are your thoughts on that Svan?
02:10:35.340Manichaeism, I'm actually a little lost on that.
02:10:43.580So I can't claim that I'm an expert on it. But my understanding is it has a relation to
02:10:51.420zoroastrianism in it's a it's an extreme philosophical duality between light and dark
02:11:00.460and good and evil um and if it does in fact have the relationship to zoroastrianism it would be
02:11:08.220also a duality between truth and and the lie uh i think that is a natural position first i i reject
02:11:16.300the term heathenry um we practice also true and in also true i do think it's a natural position i
02:11:22.780think that the difference is um excuse the excuse the pun or the yeah pun intended i guess um it's
02:11:34.060not quite that black and white um the duality is certainly there and our duality is between order
02:11:40.780in chaos. But I don't think it's quite as crystallized as it is in that other point of
02:11:48.220philosophy. And also, Manichaeism does not seem to me to be a particularly theological
02:11:59.680faith. I know it's described as a religion, but it seems to me much more like a philosophy or
02:12:05.480a worldview as opposed to, you know, a religion with, with worship and with deities. But I do
02:12:13.040think that, you know, if it is in fact based on a Zoroastrian route, that is ultimately based
02:12:23.000in, in Aryan religiosity in the same way that Ausatru is, is a descendant Aryan faith.
02:12:30.340And I think the point of light versus dark, good versus evil, order versus chaos, movement versus stagnation, all of those things, there's absolutely duality.
02:12:45.440Within Ausitru, I think the misunderstanding is there's more than just simple duality.
02:12:50.780There's duality, but the play of our polytheistic metaphysics is much broader than just a simple, you know,
02:13:04.360a Hura Mazda, Ahriman, one good, one bad thing.
02:13:09.940I think ours speaks much more to the human condition to where there is good and there is bad.
02:13:14.320And then there is all kinds of shades in between and circumstance that that's played out on.
02:13:23.920I think that it's, again, when we're, you know, when we're talking about it, I immediately went into like a manic.
02:13:31.720I saw manic and was like, when we talk about, I think, the polarity of good and evil, order and chaos, up and below.
02:13:42.380So one thing that I think stands out for us is about central to outer or inner to outer.
02:13:49.360I think that has a huge cultural significance with us.
02:13:54.140But as far as perhaps damnation and salvation, it does not have the same value.
02:14:04.920And I think Western society has become heavily built on it and influenced by it.
02:14:12.380And socially, we reflect a lot of that through our Westernism of the idea of what is, you know, good and what is bad or what is damning and what is salvageable of the soul through deeds and things of that nature.
02:14:29.120So I think that that does have a off effect, perhaps maybe in a Western sense.
02:14:35.840But religiously, I see it more as the inner outer is the strongest, I guess, representation of it.
02:14:52.440So some common deities to worship at Charming of the Plow are Frey and Gephyun.
02:14:59.120But are there other gods or goddesses that could be could also be appropriate and why I want to start out with the first caveat being, yes, it's always good to worship our gods and goddesses.
02:15:14.020I don't think you're going to do it wrong if you pick one of our gods and goddesses and you choose to give them worship at any particular time that you would like at any day of the year.
02:15:23.940That said, specific appropriateness, I have always been about honoring Freya charming of the plow. I understand the Geffian reference, and I don't think that's incorrect or bad.
02:15:41.880and it certainly involves a plowing but i think that the connotations of the plow are much much
02:15:51.480more phallic i think it is quite literally charming the male instrument of literal penetration
02:16:01.320to implant seeds in the womb of the earth to break through you know ground that is unyielding
02:16:09.160and to work our will and to plant things that will come to fruition or come to birth into the future
02:16:17.000so i think it is so much about the penetrating aspect of phallic forces that i think fray is
02:16:26.840is the appropriate deity to worship a charming of the plow what are your thoughts swan well
02:16:32.840So, again, yeah, when we talk about the placing of the seed and the idea of like its correlation to ingwaz or, you know, the ingrune and the preparation of that, we also see, again, the alignment of preparation for spring.
02:16:50.040uh that's why charming of the plow is being done and it comes from the akrabot the um the
02:16:57.360referencing to the english preparing of the acreage for uh plowing once the you know the
02:17:04.960time is right and there's no longer a threat of frost so you can now place the seeds and begin
02:17:11.200the process of bringing forth the fruits of the earth. And so, Frey, clear in reference to that
02:17:23.000preparation. Gevion, I think, has been, that's been laid upon. I've always taken Gevion in
02:17:33.480reference to how western culture especially the nordic and germanic folk have oftentimes placed
02:17:42.520nationhood in the form of the feminine and i think that's gevion manifesting when we say uh when you
02:17:49.720see the old you know uh poster saying are you willing to defend her and it's a it's perhaps
02:17:56.200like a symbol of like columbina or columbia and um you know it it gavion is the the nationhood or
02:18:06.440the the bordering and that which of the land of your nation that gives the fruits to you um so i
02:18:14.520think there is relation there but you know in acker bought they specifically mentioned ersa
02:18:21.720Ersa, of course, is that time in the English language referencing to Ertha or to the earth.
02:18:29.740And so, Jorv in the Nordic, or Nertha, Nerthus in the Germanic, the earth, the giving earth, whether it's specifically seen in the matril sense of the goddess of the earth, or even, you know, again, this is playing out in the story between Frey and Gerv.
02:18:57.740Gaird, and we see that again. So Gaird, Gavion, I could see. Frey, absolutely. But again, it's what you're doing. Some could even argue maybe even Sif. Sif is in connection to, you know, a lot of people have made connections to her as the wheat field, but she's also oftentimes referred to as the goddess of the Sib family.
02:19:25.720and the lot, the land in which the family owns.
02:19:31.000And so there could be placement in there about property,
02:19:36.040about ownership and taking of the land and stewardship of the land.
02:19:42.320I mean, it's certainly an earth-based understanding of the giving of the earth,
02:19:48.980but it is also, again, indicative of the action of charming that plow,
02:19:54.360honing its blade and preparing it to make way for the seed. And that, you know, that
02:20:03.280chemistry between those two items has clear messaging. So, you know, Thor, Sif, I've oftentimes
02:20:12.740made, you know, prayer to them as well as Gevion, to Frey, to Gerd, and all of that. And of course,
02:20:21.880nervous and the giving earth all right um next we have uh hi matt would you be interested in
02:20:31.320having a discussion slash debate with the christian identity movement i am i'm always
02:20:40.200interested in having a discussion with anybody who you know wants to have a respectful discussion
02:20:46.200with me i'm assuming it'd be about house to true and i'm happy to discuss that with any well-meaning
02:20:51.320person i don't have any desire to have a debate with them um i don't think that uh the rightness
02:20:59.960or wrongness of my faith or their faith is based upon the winning of a intellectual argument or
02:21:07.480not i think something's you know it's either true or it's not and no matter what's said and done in
02:21:14.120a debate between me and a ci guy it's not going to make our faith any less true or their faith
02:21:23.960any more true um but i'd be happy to have a discussion with any of those folks that would
02:21:29.160like to have a you know that would like to have a discussion with me um absolutely i'm always open
02:21:35.160that's the thing i'm always open to have a discussion and i'm always open to ask
02:21:38.840to answer questions as long as somebody is approaching that respectfully that's always
02:21:43.560been my policy, and I think that's a good place to be. Another question regarding Ehwa's horse,
02:21:53.080could this rune mean the Heros Gemos of Tiwaz, the deity from the heavens, and Bricano, the tree
02:22:04.040birch goddess who gave birth to Manas, aka the first generation of the folk?
02:22:10.680what are your thoughts on that okay so yeah and and i was wondering too that um the reference to
02:22:20.120manas and uh some people have made connection between heimdall and manas uh him being the lord
02:22:27.600of the folk and it being mentioned as the the being descendant of manas that tacitus speaks of
02:22:36.680Um, as far as the correlations between the two, I mean, when we look at where those deeper references most likely come from is the guttens. And they're, again, this is coming from Uphalos and his, you know, understanding of these letters being brought in to be utilized to write the book of Matthew.
02:23:03.620um in uh you know in gothic or in guttanish um so again the direct and absolute correspondent
02:23:16.500uh connection between those is i mean to my knowledge i i have not seen anything to where
02:23:23.620there's a an absolute and tangible connection between them now when we talk about arian myth
02:23:28.900And overall, I mean, yes, the connection of the horse is clearly, you know, it's highly stated, especially from the heavenly aspect, the idea of the horse being the vehicle of the sky, being the vehicle of movement between all things heavenly.
02:23:48.000So, yes, but again, the oldest connection we have to that is the Anglo-Saxons, and we know the Anglo-Saxons' connection with that rune and the horse and their pride and deep connection to the teamwork between the rider and the horse itself as a steed.
02:24:10.040I mean, the production of, I guess, evidence between those two directly, we are, again, surmising, we're thinking about it, we're trying to shape it in our heads, those connections.
02:24:33.500um but again like the birch goddess when we talk when you when you bring up the uh of the birch
02:24:41.660goddess we have references of course to to the birch goddess in variant forms and later dates
02:24:47.020and even in medieval europe but direct connection of it being written down somewhere as there is
02:24:53.740a singular birch goddess connected directly to the birch tree
02:24:59.320you know that are we are we talking about again like allusions towards um i mean i've even heard
02:25:07.780people saying like the birth of fly a garrick and it coming from the birch tree having connections
02:25:14.140to our understanding of the gods and you know the birth of us as a people but these are i mean
02:25:22.300things to think about but direct and tangible correlation i don't know i i would i would like
02:25:31.260to look into that more before saying yes yes absolutely those two correlate so you know i
02:25:38.820want to i want to throw this out there as a as a point of context rune means mystery
02:25:46.440and their runes are indeed mysterious and i think that pondering over them we certainly come to
02:25:55.280truths but i think we could and many have spent entire lifetimes trying to thresh out
02:26:01.940the ultimate all of the truth of the runes and all of the ways that they're relevant and you
02:26:08.460know i don't think any human has fully grasped all of the runes though many have gotten much
02:26:14.560closer than myself. I have to assume by the way the question is presented that you're one of the
02:26:26.580folks that believes in the correlation between the runes being close to one another as if they're
02:26:33.760sequential to tell a story. And I have never spent much time considering them in that context.
02:26:47.520We see them in different orders at different times in some ways,
02:26:53.560especially with the beginning and ending runes.
02:26:58.700I've always evaluated the runes individually
02:27:01.500instead of their correlation to the rune next to them.
02:27:05.180And that doesn't mean that doing it differently is wrong.
02:27:08.120But in that context, I don't see the need to explain the horse rune in context of a god and a goddess and then possibly mankind, possibly an allusion to another god.
02:27:30.660I don't see the need to find that horse to symbolize something else, especially because the horse was always such an essential thing to our people.
02:27:45.240Um, our, our people were the ones to domesticate the horse and, you know, the ancient Arians, that was one of our big, uh, our big achievements was that utilization of the horse for, for riding and for, you know, mounting warriors atop and for traveling.
02:28:02.740um horse and horsemanship has been one of the most enduring forces in uh i don't know in aryan
02:28:15.620culture since the beginning as as far as as i can see the evolution to knighthood being a man upon a
02:28:23.700horse the warrior nobility mounted upon a steed that image it still resonates with in the deepest
02:28:30.420parts of our folk soul um evolving into into you know cavalry and just the the elegant writing of
02:28:43.220noble people and cultured people being able to ride a horse and of uh man such a force of
02:28:51.460consciousness writing a beast that is this machine this intuitive machine of flesh and sinew that
02:29:02.340that pairing is epic that pairing is in and of itself one of the great mysteries of our folk
02:29:09.540and our full consciousness um i think and the other thing is we each find different meanings
02:29:19.860in the runes that are relevant to us and to our circumstance they don't always have to
02:29:26.660contradict one another even if different people interpret them slightly differently
02:29:39.780yeah i think i think that's the the best i got on it most often when i'm contemplating the runes
02:29:46.180i'm not contemplating them connecting one to another i'm contemplating them in a
02:29:54.180more randomized order when i utilize runes if i'm writing something that it's dictated by
02:30:01.700the words that i'm using if i'm using runes for divinatory purposes i'm using them on
02:30:08.900random draws or random placements so i'm not focused too much on like i said the order of
02:30:16.660how the one that pre that proceeds and one that follows relate and i think there may be something
02:30:23.700really amazing to that i think that's cool i just that's not how my experience has been with them
02:30:29.300at this point i know that's not really an excellent answer but it's just kind of the
02:30:33.940closest that I can get from where I'm sitting. All right. I've seen a lot of freak out the
02:30:54.520buttoned up Christians sort of stuff in the folk lately. Will you two please speak on piety and0.68
02:31:01.440devotion as opposed to claiming Ausatru to be un-Christian. So if I'm understanding your
02:31:13.660question correctly, I hope that I am. I think that's really important. And it's amazing because
02:31:25.400depending on where you're at in your faith, where you're at in who you talk to and who you're
02:31:30.260involved with, you can pick up on these different currents. Allie, who asked the question, is one of
02:31:36.880our new apprentice folk builders. And it's interesting what she sees in the groups that
02:31:45.220she runs in and at her level of interaction that maybe I don't notice in my position as
02:31:52.380ulterior gothy. I'm having to rely more and more on my folk builders to give me, you know,0.97
02:31:57.460word on the street. So that's really interesting. Because I noticed that a lot when I first got
02:32:03.940involved in Alistair True, and it was a big thing in the 80s and the 90s. It was certainly a thing
02:32:08.360in the early 2000s. I think we've moved to a very, we've had a lot of maturation on it. But
02:32:14.220the idea of Alistair True being the unchristian, like what would define Alistair True is how not
02:32:22.900christian we are and if the christians do one thing then we need to do the opposite thing to be
02:32:30.340as not christian as possible and it's easy to look at that now and think how silly and it is
02:32:40.980but i do also see there was a necessary time when we're as a people emerging from christianity to
02:32:49.220make a to make a very severe separation between the two to you know to make a a uh i think violent
02:32:59.780states it in a different way but to make a you know extreme break like we're gonna break part
02:33:06.020ways with all this christian stuff and do our not christian stuff over here and that is a natural
02:33:11.940process. And I get that. I'm really proud of us as people that we've moved beyond that for the
02:33:20.180most part. But we can't forget that there's always going to. So I have the the honor and
02:33:29.160the blessing of being also true now for 22 years. There's a lot of people that have been
02:33:38.480Ausitru for 22 minutes. And I don't fault those people for having a less mature attitude towards
02:33:48.160Ausitru than I've been able to develop over two decades. It's really easy to look back at people
02:33:54.780who are just starting out and not recall that you were once in that spot or that, you know,
02:34:01.240you had to feel things out for yourself too. And I feel that what I'm really proud of about
02:34:08.440also true, especially also true of the last decade or more. We very clearly define ourselves by who
02:34:17.660we are and not by who we aren't. Also true. Isn't about not being Christian. Also true is about0.98
02:34:25.260being Ousitre. It's about us celebrating our faith to our gods without comparison
02:34:33.820to other people's faiths. Now, I realize that in reality, we're going to make comparisons.
02:34:42.820That's one of the biggest things the human brain does.
02:34:47.660But when we come back to center and we focus on who we are and what we do,0.60
02:34:52.080the measure of something's rightness or wrongness needs to be the Aesir, their will,0.89
02:35:00.020our culture, and being the most Aesir we can be, the best loyal to the Aesir that we can be,
02:35:08.900which is what Aesir means. The uncomfortable for a lot of people, especially people who've
02:35:15.860had a bad experience with Christianity truth is that the Christianity that Western people
02:35:21.180have come to know and embrace over the course of time is very, very largely influenced
02:35:26.840by our folk soul and by the experience of white men and women from Europe and how they
02:35:34.160practice religiosity. It is much less a stark separation from original Ausitru than it is
02:35:44.480a uh a mixing and a mingling of also true principles with with hebrew ideologies and
02:35:54.360stories and there's very much a war there between cultures the the medieval european christianity
02:36:01.660is very very different than coptic christianity in egypt or some other middle eastern forms of
02:36:07.960Christianity. And those differences really highlight where our folks hole shines through.
02:36:14.620But we do our gods a disservice and we do our faith a disservice when we0.96
02:36:20.780try to show off how not Christian we are by counterpunching everything that Christians do.0.99
02:36:32.080And we make the mistake of, you know, some of that we get right because some of their ideas0.99
02:36:36.800ideas are terrible. Some of it we get wrong when Christians happen to do good things that normal,0.82
02:36:42.180good, noble people do. Man, Christians take a shower. Well, I'm not taking a shower.1.00
02:36:47.100Well, Christians, you know, are nice to their grandparents. That's it. I'm going to kick
02:36:51.080grandma in the head. It sounds silly, but that's because it is. But that is a mindset that1.00
02:36:58.980affected Alistair True much more in years past and that still affects people today. And I think
02:37:04.920it's really important that we uh we have the discernment to separate baby from bath water
02:37:11.680uh what are your thoughts swan well i've i've been um blessed with witnessing moments in which uh
02:37:20.320i've seen it either written or levied in in speech where they refer to the austro folk assembly as
02:37:28.320like some sort of Christianity in a Viking religion or a Christian Viking or a Mormonism
02:37:36.660and, or Mormonism also true. I've seen some of these things. I find, I find it really laughable
02:37:41.180because again, we're, you know, emphasizing the modern and the, the, the Western, uh, cultures
02:37:49.280of, of who we are. Um, and I think that that's a good thing. Um, and I think Christians do that
02:37:55.740too, especially in relation to them being from the West, in a lot of their ways.0.99
02:38:04.460To say I have a love for Christianity, I would be lying if I said I did. I do argue a lot,1.00
02:38:11.040I think, more about the honesty in which I think Europeans who embrace Christianity,0.99
02:38:17.440they denounce our faith a lot. And so I try to reveal some honesty in the nature of their0.99
02:38:24.620religion and um perhaps some of the things that are are are based around it that they may not even
02:38:31.280really be aware of um uh but as far as you know when i when i see someone level that you know oh
02:38:40.320you guys are just like the christian house of true or something like that that that to me just
02:38:45.540screams that edginess that that rebellion um you know uh i'm not gonna you know wear no tie i'm
02:38:53.680not going to kneel or, or do any of these, this knee jerk reaction is, it's kind of like, yeah,
02:39:00.980training, training, uh, an animal based on negative space. Um, and they just desperately
02:39:07.980are going to try to fill that negative space and then thus become negative. And that's not something
02:39:12.820we need to do. I don't think any outsider really needs to do that. I think some people have, um,
02:39:18.060When they get, like you said, bad experiences with Christianity, they do get pulled down.
02:39:22.580And when they feel a sense of relief and release when they come back to the gods and have a different understanding, that does sometimes whip back.
02:39:32.960uh and sometimes with good um merit i guess emotionally uh you know feeling um you know
02:39:42.340tricked or deceived into you know believing this faith from another people that has some of that
02:39:48.960emotional stuff but if that doesn't equalize out and that's all you are then you got a problem you
02:39:55.160now you're not it's not about the devotion to the gods it's not about the um the truth of that
02:40:01.140release it's it's again it's just edginess it's counter signaling for the sake of counter signaling
02:40:06.420and that's not something you build true general faith i want to speak on another phenomenon that
02:40:11.820i think this is born out of that i don't think most of the people who are caught up in it
02:40:18.280conceptualize it this way or probably even agree with what i'm saying but i very much feel this
02:40:25.580way. First, I think that, you know, teenage rebellion wears very poorly on someone in their
02:40:33.28050s. We have a couple of generations now of our folk that have built their life around the image
02:40:49.800of the noble loser um and we saw a lot of that shift into to Alcetru and sometimes they found
02:41:02.800Alcetru and fixed their life and became amazing other times they were Alcetru and chose that to
02:41:10.120be a part of their uh their syndrome on this but oh I don't fit in I'm not successful that's because
02:41:18.880I'm so pagan. No, that's because you're a loser. My family doesn't like me because they're a bunch1.00
02:41:24.500of Christians and I do my own thing because I'm a rebel. I'm a Viking. No, you're just socially
02:41:31.200dysfunctional and can't maintain good relationships. You know, this happens sometimes because people
02:41:37.840just suck. Sometimes it happens because people feel left behind and instead of doing things that0.98
02:41:47.940uncomfortable with them to catch up with their peers they'd rather embrace a lack of success
02:41:53.940and mask it in some kind of noble pretensions sometimes it's a result of trauma sometimes
02:41:59.780people have been hurt and they're scared to get hurt again so they justify and they overlay their
02:42:04.900fear with the veneer of what a badass viking warrior or shield maiden they are
02:42:11.860but it's really important to me it's essential to me it's why this broadcast is named victory
02:42:16.500never sleeps it's important to me for us to always try to win and to keep winning and to never rest
02:42:24.820on what we have but always try to do more and be better we can win we have so many things that we
02:42:33.140can win at in this life it's not about seeing how spectacularly we can lose and if you set yourself
02:42:42.100up for failure with a bunch of face tattoos that are scary and t-shirts that say obscene phrases
02:42:48.260and you build this wall of either anger or scary or just gross around yourself then you have a
02:43:02.420ready-made excuse when you're not accepted when you don't get a job it's not because you gave a
02:43:08.120crappy interview or you don't have the skills or because you do a bad job. No, you're fired
02:43:13.600because you're such a pagan because they just don't like your swastika you have on your face.0.95
02:43:20.340No, maybe it's because you're not a good worker. Maybe it's because you don't interact with your0.80
02:43:27.280fellow employees well. Maybe it's because you're a jerk to people. But rather than think about1.00
02:43:32.820those, you have a ready excuse. You know, oh, people don't like me because they're busy dressing
02:43:37.180up in their suits and ties and i want to wear a t-shirt with holes in it maybe it's not just
02:43:42.860about the t-shirt maybe it's about your overall attitude but that's uncomfortable now i've seen
02:43:49.820this with a lot of different people and i yes i'm being humorous with me making the funny voice but
02:43:58.220i really mean this and i've seen this with people that i love and that i care about a lot of times
02:44:03.980it comes from trauma or it comes from guys that may have done some time and they've been locked
02:44:09.420up and especially if guys did time in prison a lot of years and a lot of years as young men when
02:44:15.340they're formulating stuff it's very hard to catch up when you missed out on fundamental parts of
02:44:22.380life that the rest of us had to figure stuff out and to grow up in and if you didn't get that
02:44:28.620opportunity in the environment you were in it's really daunting to try to catch up it's easier
02:44:36.620just to wear it literally on your face and act like you've constantly got a chip on your shoulder
02:44:44.220and it's cool you'll get chicks with daddy issues will be all about you and dudes will be scared of
02:44:50.700you and whatever but it really stops you from being successful in a lot of your life you're
02:44:57.660drawing a line saying this is as successful as i'm ever going to be and i'm not going to try
02:45:01.740for something better and that's that's tragic to me christianity has been very successful
02:45:13.900people who practice it and who dress nicely and who are economically successful
02:45:19.740are winning stuff i want us to win stuff too the bible doesn't say you need to wear a tie
02:45:24.700our lore absolutely says you need to show up to the thing wearing your best
02:45:30.360our history absolutely says that you need to show up looking your best and that you need to win and
02:45:36.540be successful so much so that that i feel virtue is our 10th our 10 or victory is our 10th noble
02:45:43.200virtue um what we're seeing in the christianity that these people are uncomfortable with
02:45:51.620is success and affluence and winning and an envy that they're not winning and a reaction to it
02:46:04.600that they're too good to be winning. They're too good to play by those rules.
02:46:09.420So we're going to drop out. And you saw this, you know, with beatniks and with hippies
02:46:16.980and with, you know, emo goth people and with a lot of folks that are contrarian to whatever
02:46:25.360culture is going on. It's easier to celebrate your failure rather than to go back to the drawing
02:46:33.780board and forge success for yourself. That's a hard thing to do. It's a hard thing for any of us
02:46:39.020to do. I would like to see our people get beyond that need to embrace the aesthetic of the loser
02:46:48.020and to instead put on the mantle of the winner.
02:46:57.640Was not aiming that at anybody. I hope nobody is irritated about that.
02:47:02.200uh what do you think and this is the last question we have in the queue there may be
02:47:11.800um maybe some other questions if you guys have more questions please go ahead and ask them if
02:47:18.580not this might be our last question uh what do you think about the movie the north man
02:47:24.220and what do you think about the gods fighting each other uh ideas like is shown in the movie
02:47:30.920of odin versus frayer uh svan have you watched that movie and if so what are your thoughts no
02:47:39.240i haven't seen the viking show i i saw i think the three quarters of the first episode um i
02:47:49.000have not watched the northman i think the last movie that i ever saw in relation to the gods
02:47:57.320was Eric the Viking from like back in the, you know, and again, because again, I'm not a big fan
02:48:10.760of pop culture. I'm not a big fan of a lot of the movies just in general. I don't see movies
02:48:17.540often and things like that. But we do see some interesting points when we talk about the gods,
02:48:23.140the the diet or the the um i guess the the chemistry or the the um the interplay between
02:48:31.860like ullr and odin or the again uh uh skirnismal when when uh again fray steps into the throne
02:48:43.920domain of Odin and sits upon Hilskjalf. Again, these are forces interplaying. I think that
02:48:53.860there is a sense of dominion and then there's transference or stepping in and stepping out
02:49:00.060in order to attain or move. Again, we were talking earlier about the gods moving to make
02:49:06.660attainments, whether it's hanging from the tree or stepping down from a heavenly mountain.
02:49:13.920And so we do see a lot of that interplay in the stories.
02:49:16.880And I think that what that really is, is these forces that are functioning within a domain or a purpose.
02:49:30.440They have purpose, but then they shift that purpose.
02:49:32.920And anytime any great powers move and shift to fill a purpose based on a need, there's always a flux.
02:49:41.120There's always a kind of a ripple or a sense of things being uneasy or different.
02:49:47.860And this happens a lot in nature, both physically and metaphysically.
02:49:51.800And I think that that's what those interplays are being are referring to as far as like the gods openly aggressing towards each other.
02:50:02.500And again, I haven't seen the movie, so I can't reference if, you know, they had some knock down, drag out fight.
02:50:10.040Or if they were taking the form of human form and, and like conspiring against each other or something of that nature. Again, we see in the stories, you know, Freyja and Odin, Odin and Ullr or Baldr and, and Haud, depending like if we're talking about Saxo Grammaticus and all that.
02:50:29.820um we see these these fluxes as things as these cosmic beings interact and oftentimes switch take
02:50:38.220places create vacuum and then fill there's a lot of movement going on there but to take them
02:50:45.180literally as fighting it um i don't know i don't want to step into that if i if i haven't seen the
02:50:52.780movie and and then say they don't you know have pencil fights or what so we've got one more
02:50:59.020question i think is a really good one um obsidian i promise i'll answer the ones fawn just answered
02:51:04.780but monk brought up a really good thing in the chat that that i want to speak on too
02:51:10.620yes it's funny to matt make funny voices about look at me i'm a loser i'm so edgy
02:51:17.020but realistically i i do want to reiterate this that i
02:51:22.460I feel bad for those people who are stuck in that because it really is a psychological problem.
02:51:29.920If you're doing that and you're 20, it's funny. And, you know, I will affirm my funny voice
02:51:35.740making fun of you. If you're doing it 40 or 50 or even 60, no, I'm really sad that you're in that
02:51:43.940place mentally and you haven't figured out how to break out of that pattern. And Monk mentioned
02:51:49.640another circumstance of people that fit into that so earlier i was talking about you know punks or
02:51:55.400you know people that way that have chosen
02:51:59.560you know to take on the edgy persona and i've also talked about people who were locked up and missed
02:52:06.200formative times in their life and are playing catch up and it's very hard to do one of the
02:52:11.160other groups of people that uh go through something similar to that monk mentioned are
02:52:15.800our soldiers and marines and guys that uh that served and we're all you know very often we don't
02:52:25.400you know it's hard to say in my generation we started seeing a lot of people who are now my
02:52:31.160age that that did serve in when they were very young um other generations didn't necessarily
02:52:36.840see that or don't get it in the same way but we have a whole lot of the people who
02:52:41.880saw combat or were deployed it were very very young and in their early stages of their life
02:52:51.500trying to figure out how life works and how adulthood works they were thrown into a very
02:52:56.980very specific and sometimes very tragic context and you know monk mentions that you know you get
02:53:04.920trained up to be a soldier or marine but all too often when the guys come back they don't get
02:53:10.960trained into how to fit back into society right in in where they should be or you know comparing
02:53:19.280the situations that they face in quote unquote normal society with those that they faced
02:53:25.440in um in their career and in their combat experience and it is very similar in a lot
02:53:33.060of ways because depending on how long somebody has that experience and what trauma they may
02:53:39.820have gone through, when they come back, there's a gap, there's a separation between, you know,
02:53:47.600quote unquote, normal folks that are out there being successful in their relationships,
02:53:52.160in their careers, in their families, in life, and guys that just can't seem to get that figured out
02:53:58.400because either because they've been broken or because they have trauma that other folks don't
02:54:05.460understand that they can't process right, or any of those things. And I want to encourage
02:54:17.120everybody who feels like they're not winning, instead of embracing being a loser and being
02:54:23.160antisocial or being a hermit or keeping to yourself, fix what you can fix and try to win
02:54:33.200where you can win because there's so many opportunities for all of us to win and be
02:54:38.740successful. And it's tragic when people waste their life not doing that. But yeah, Matt makes
02:54:50.300some funny voices and some of it is laughable, but a lot of it is also very serious and something
02:54:56.680that I just want better for our people. Back to your question about the Northmen. I did finally
02:55:02.120see that i know you guys asked on here a lot and you guys finally got frustrated at me and stopped
02:55:06.360asking because i hadn't seen the movie but i have seen it now i didn't think it was terrible um
02:55:12.600it was you know it wasn't on an epic scale it was on a much more you know common man kind of scale
02:55:18.920than i thought it was going to be um i didn't realize that it was a take on you know the
02:55:25.320original version of hamlet which is interesting um yeah i don't hate it i uh it was dirty and
02:55:37.240gritty more than it probably needed to be um which i think is all too often a fault of
02:55:44.680things about that period but yeah i didn't think it was terrible movie um when it comes
02:55:52.040excuse me when it comes to talking about the gods uh battling amongst each other i think that that is
02:56:00.680you know like swan said i well i don't
02:56:07.240to over speculate on that too much i feel is impious to a degree i think that when we see
02:56:14.600the conflict amongst the gods, it means so much more than, you know, just the interpersonal
02:56:25.160conflict between two people. It involves so many bigger and cosmic forces, and it tells
02:56:33.280of a much bigger struggle and a much bigger truth than simply two personalities clashing.
02:56:41.200But I think when you see that it's, it's very informative for us to learn from.
02:56:47.260But I don't ever think we should take those.
02:56:51.920I don't know, in the same way that we would take to two people fighting over over something
02:56:57.260small and petty, the gods aren't petty.
02:57:00.280And they fight over, you know, they interact with one another over grand scale, deep things.
02:57:08.660think that it's always something something deep to focus on um and i know that's not a tremendous
02:57:14.740answer to the question but you know northman was a movie and it could have been set in any other
02:57:19.380time and i don't really think it's specific to our faith in that way but here is the question
02:57:24.580i do think is is intriguing and i know people want to know an answer to so i'm putting out there
02:57:28.900will you slash are you taking steps to ensure that Sigurheim doesn't turn into a Waco 2.0
02:57:39.220I would love to join and move out there I'm just concerned about getting the alphabet boys1.00
02:57:44.620coming in and causing harm so a couple of things on that first yes that is absolutely on my radar0.99
02:57:53.640has been on my radar, not just since day one, but all the days leading up to day one.
02:58:03.620First, as we've seen with Ruby Ridge and with Waco and other incidents in our time,
02:58:15.260sometimes the alphabet agencies just do bad and shady things they absolutely do
02:58:29.880um there's a lot of times that they do good things too but there are some times to where
02:58:36.920they do some terrible things i've got you know i've got some thoughts on the best way to avoid
02:58:42.620those things one of the things though and this goes into my discussion about winning and losing
02:58:50.220if we're constantly scared of doing the right things or doing good things
02:58:56.860doing legal things because we're afraid that some boogeyman in the federal government
02:59:05.420may come out for us and do something bad to us we're never going to leave our house and we're
02:59:10.380never going to do anything um we've also seen that the government sometimes disregards laws
02:59:20.860and just does whatever it wants even if it's illegal and there's no perfect answer that any
02:59:28.460of us can have that will 1000 mean that that's not ever a possibility so i want to stipulate that
02:59:36.620there's no 100 guarantee and there can't be our constitution unfortunately isn't 100 guarantee
02:59:42.860that the government will treat us appropriately but that said there's some things we can do and
02:59:50.380things that i intend to do first we are going to be wide open and transparent we always have been
02:59:59.020as the afa and we're going to continue to do that we do that at all of our hofs if people want to
03:00:05.660check it out and see what we're up to and say hi we're going to be neighborly and friendly and let
03:00:10.220people come say hi if people drive up and like hey what are you guys doing hey this is exactly what
03:00:16.140we're doing come take a look because we're proud of what we're doing that's going to be our default
03:00:20.940policy um being open to the community the other thing is being involved in the community it's been
03:00:28.620very important to me um at all of our hofs that we're involved in community activity as much as
03:00:33.740possible, that we try to get involved in charitable things with the community, that we interact with
03:00:38.680them in a positive way, and that we make ourselves not just not a nuisance and not a problem, but that
03:00:45.720we make ourselves an active force of being good neighbors to the people that we're around. We're
03:00:51.660going to be good neighbors at Sigurheim. We're going to be good neighbors. We're going to interact
03:00:57.060as best as we can with the people in the community. We're not going to put up walls. We're not going
03:01:03.340you know have armed guards at fences we're not going to do that we're going to be open we're
03:01:09.180going to live there we're going to be proud and happy celebrating what we do and when people ask
03:01:13.340us questions we're going to show them and we're going to answer our questions in a prideful and
03:01:18.220happy way as opposed to none of your business i don't have to tell you because what happens very
03:01:25.020often when you're secretive first in this day and age if your concern is the alphabet boys well they
03:01:34.220have access to tons of stuff you don't even know about i think keeping secrets is you know impossible
03:01:40.940in this day and age or as close to impossible as there is but one of the best things we're
03:01:46.060not doing anything wrong if we were doing something shady my advice might be really
03:01:51.500different, but the benefit we have is we're not. I am proud and open about everything we are doing
03:01:57.900in the AFA, about everything we are doing at Sigerheim. And if anybody, government or not
03:02:05.880government, is curious or wants to see or wants to know, you can't shut me up about it. I love
03:02:12.700talking about what we're doing. I would love to show everybody around. I'm going to show everybody
03:02:16.940as much pictures as i can on social media man i was back in town an hour before i started creating
03:02:24.700the little slideshow with all of the pictures we took while we were there because i'm happy to show
03:02:28.620it off so i think having a policy of just transparency and openness and being straightforward
03:02:36.220is going to be our best bet i think that paired with community with regular and frequent community
03:02:42.780interaction is also going to help that. But yeah, that's absolutely something that's been
03:02:50.120thought about, been discussed, and that we're always aware of. I can't, nothing in this life
03:02:56.020is 100% guarantee, but there's nothing saying things can't happen to you in your house right
03:03:00.960now if somebody wants to do something nefarious. You can only do the best you can do, and we're
03:03:05.740going to be completely legal, completely appropriate, great neighbors and good citizens
03:03:11.780at Sigurheim, just like we are now. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart. And the truth
03:03:19.240of that really is a safeguard in a lot of ways of what we're doing. Again, it's not ironclad,
03:03:26.320But I think it's the best we can get. And we're committed to that.
03:03:33.920So Cascadia Patriot says over in the thing. So basically, you're going to continue doing what you've been doing.
03:03:40.220And that's the best thing you can do. Absolutely. Exactly. And succinctly.
03:03:45.880And that is what has protected us thus far. We've never had a problem with the government.
03:03:51.660and the reason we've never had a problem with the government, we're not breaking any laws and we're
03:03:55.580not doing anything wrong. Despite what our detractors say, any of our interactions with
03:04:01.440the government have been very positive because, you know, they watch us. They're aware of what
03:04:09.220we're doing. They watch us all the time. Of course they do. But they've even told us in the context
03:04:15.120that they've dealt with us before that they've, you know, they've kept an eye on us. They've seen
03:04:20.520what we do and that we are much more likely, in their opinion, to be the victims of a hate
03:04:25.580crime than the perpetrators. And that's because we're nice folks doing perfectly legal and
03:04:31.300good things. So yeah, there's that. Okay, got another question. I've got another couple
03:04:47.880of questions. Myth, dirty word or appropriate to use in reference to our lore? Svan, what are your
03:04:58.700thoughts? I've never saw it as a dirty word. I know that the usage of the word metanarrative
03:05:06.780has come about as a popular use as well. I believe, I'm not saying that he's the first
03:05:15.060has ever used it in relation to anything, but I know in relation to Ausatru, I remember that was
03:05:22.840kind of thrown around by Edward Thorson as the usage of a word is meaning greater narrative of
03:05:32.420an understanding. But I also, I mean, myth has power. Myth has a joyousness to it. Myth has a
03:05:41.720mystery and a happiness to it that I think has been drawn down because of, again, the greatest
03:05:52.740way to convince people that your propaganda is correct is to tell everyone or to tell them that
03:05:59.140everyone else is propaganda and what you're telling them isn't. I think that a lot of
03:06:04.460people that push that kind of ideology, they're the ones really dragging the magicalness of myth
03:06:15.080down. I've never seen it as a dirty word. Stories are such a keystone to the structure of the
03:06:26.820passing of the knowledge of our gods. But that's just my personal opinion on it.
03:06:32.620Yeah, myth isn't a bad word. I think that sometimes, depending on who you're talking to, there could be a misunderstanding. You've got to read the room. If people are inherently thinking that myth equals not true, then I think that you need to alter what you say.
03:06:48.220Sometimes if you sound more wordy and you say mythos, it makes it seem scholarly and not like other people think that a myth might mean, but it's just semantics. Read the room. I don't think myth is bad and I use it often.
03:07:02.620So here's a question. And first, I want to salute the person for having the courage to ask the question.
03:07:09.340When I started these, not just Victory Never Sleeps, when I started doing my monthly live things where I was taking questions,
03:07:17.700a lot of it was to squash or a lot of the hope of it was to squash unfounded rumors or backroom gossip that people have.
03:07:30.180people are going to do that and it's fine, but I'd like them to do it on real information and
03:07:35.620be able to ask questions rather than to just assume negative things. So the following question
03:07:41.540from Patrick is, so forcing out members of the AFA who are either interested in Noriana's
03:07:48.680publishing or are also Noriana members isn't sketchy or wrong? Curious. No, it's not sketchy
03:07:57.640wrong uh first we're not forcing out afa members who are interested in noriana's publishing that's
03:08:05.400not true that hasn't happened that's not a thing um but yeah we're part in ways with members that
03:08:13.000want to be members of the noriana society absolutely that's not sketchy it there's
03:08:19.080nothing sketchy about it i'm wide open about it it's not not hidden it's not um
03:08:27.640clandestine. It's not anything untoward. And is it wrong? Well, no, it's not. As a church,
03:08:36.060we have an obligation to have a degree of orthodoxy on what we believe and what we don't
03:08:42.800believe. If you believe what we believe, you cannot also believe what the Noriana Society
03:08:50.760increasingly believes. They are mutually exclusive. You know, you can't be a Catholic
03:08:58.540and a Baptist. You can't, it doesn't work that way. You can't be, practice also true in the AFA1.00
03:09:08.260and also agree with the ideas that, quite frankly, many of which are heretical in the Noriana
03:09:18.140a society. Reasons for, at first, as a statement, it is neither sketchy nor wrong. It is completely
03:09:27.360an appropriate thing for us to do. But that aside, there's reasons for it. And some of
03:09:32.400the reasons are, well, there are many. And I talked to Mark Puryear yesterday for about
03:09:44.680an hour. And as I always say, and I'm going to continue to say, I like Mark a lot. I think Mark
03:09:51.320is a great guy. I consider Mark a friend of mine. I hope he considers me the same. I would invite
03:09:58.620him to any one of our events. I would give him a hug. I think he's a great guy. I also think that
03:10:04.360the Noriana Society, due to its democratic nature, isn't synonymous with Mark Puryear. I think that
03:10:11.200noreana society is a very toxic group of people that come at our faith in a very inappropriate0.99
03:10:21.280way i don't think the piety is there that i mentioned is so essential earlier i don't think
03:10:28.400our gods are treated as real living beings i think that it is treated as a
03:10:35.440object to put in a petri dish and study in a perverse scientific way to where more weight
03:10:45.240is placed on an obscure partial passage in an obscure tome rather than the living faith that
03:10:53.700has been devoted to serving our Isir for the last 50 years. There's a number of things that
03:10:59.880that we and that I disagree with within our society. But also one of the biggest things
03:11:06.360is the backward contrarian nature of them as a group and the folks that are associated with them.0.93
03:11:15.780It has for many years now been very heavily weighted by people who have left the AFA or have
03:11:24.340been removed for the afa or have parted ways with the afa and are openly hostile to us
03:11:30.580they have very often populated those circles and it's not so much that they're
03:11:38.500pro-practicing also true the noriana way it's that they are anti-practicing also true the afa way
03:11:45.300and yeah we think it's a it's a toxic uh toxic group of people and we no longer want to have0.74
03:11:51.380those people involved with us in in our inner guard do you have anything to say on that's fine
03:11:59.700oh no like i said my my uh interactions with some of the members um you know uh
03:12:08.180i think debate wise there's i think it's great to have these uh moments of talks and debates about
03:12:16.180the lore about the gods uh in in relation to the lore or things like that um but outside of that i
03:12:24.020mean if those interactions again some of those members that i'm speaking of um uh or in the
03:12:30.660past in particular and my dealings with them have been they did deform into a level of uh you know
03:12:39.460you're not doing this right or you're doing this wrong and it needs to be done this way
03:12:44.020And then they broke off or broke away.
03:12:46.520So, I mean, pushing people out versus what I've seen more of is like people kind of peeling off or leaving or fracturing off because of desire to go elsewhere, do things differently was what I caught most of, you know, in those relationships.
03:13:05.960Or the opportunity was laid out to come and be at events and do things that were really close and really near to them.
03:13:14.020and they didn't show up, and I don't know if they, I mean, again,
03:13:18.740I don't think they would have been met hostily, especially at that time.
03:13:23.800Nobody was, I don't think that there was any sort of, like, backhandedness.
03:13:28.700Again, other than that, just having conversations and things based on the lore
03:13:35.200and, you know, kind of across the table, going back and forth about ideas and things.
03:13:40.200that's well so i'm curious i don't see that as nefarious i want to treat it i want to treat
03:13:47.320people who ask questions on here with respect and i want to ask them what i think is really
03:13:52.120important that we should do in general is when people ask us stuff we should
03:13:58.680keep our eyes open and don't be fooled but i think we should treat things with the benefit of the
03:14:03.960doubt and assume people are asking in the nicest possible way because we're speaking to an audience
03:14:09.560and not just the one person asking the question uh patrick goes on to say in that in the chat room
03:14:15.400we're parting ways but not forcing them out legit doublespeak no it's very clear people who
03:14:22.200are interested in norina materials and purchase norina books we are not kicking out if you are
03:14:29.800in the noriana society we are asking you to either be in the noriana society or in the afa
03:14:35.960and to choose one if you choose the noriana society then yes i suppose we're kicking you out
03:14:42.280no part of anything i'm saying is trying to do double speak or or be you know be unclear i want
03:14:49.320to be crystal clear he says the noriana society isn't mutually exclusive with your ideas but
03:14:54.920thanks for making this all crystal clear i do my best then he uh cliff asks and we'll get to this
03:15:03.240in a second he wants to know if we can expound on some of the difference of belief between the
03:15:08.200noriana society and the austral folk assembly we'd be happy to do that patrick says clifford
03:15:13.320he can't because noriana society is an academic group and this dude matt wears christian garb for
03:15:19.240his sermons um i don't i've explained that i think you're probably talking about the stoles
03:15:27.880and that has an ancient pagan root and isn't an exclusively Christian garb. The folks at
03:15:34.520graduation are not wearing it in a Christian context. It was certainly established from
03:15:39.480ancient Roman pagans from an educational perspective, and it originally had nothing
03:15:46.400to do with Christianity. I'm not sure which sermons, but yeah, I do wear my stole when I0.86
03:15:51.840practice the rights of our faith and we'll continue to do so and then he says there's no
03:15:58.420also true the afa way bro listen to yourself bro not sure what this this is what i'm saying
03:16:07.420the norena society and the people it attracts are very negative and toxic people the afa doesn't go
03:16:14.640on any norena podcasts and try to insult them or get in the middle of the business quite frankly
03:16:21.140we have better things to do. And if that's something that you want to do is be involved
03:16:24.740with them, go ahead and do that by all means. In the meantime, Sfond, can we expand on some
03:16:32.220of the points that we differ with the Noriana guys on? Because I don't think that some folks
03:16:37.340are very clear on exactly what that looks like. Well, mainly that I think there are interpretations
03:16:47.500of the, again, like you said, pieces of lore that are, we disagree upon, I think, predominantly
03:16:59.220like in cosmological structures. I think that the stating of the way cosmology interacts
03:17:09.940with each other is important for us in the Ossetra Folk Assembly, and the way that we
03:17:14.900interact with the gods the way that they're placed but then there are some things that i have read
03:17:20.740and seen that place those um effects very differently so if we're talking about um you
03:17:29.300know kind of re reconstructing things there's a lot of reconstructing of placement of uh the gods
03:17:37.700the the wells the the tree there there's this kind of restructuring that's kind of going on
03:17:44.500and it's it's based on um interpretations of these translations but um they go very far off from what
03:17:54.180our faith has clearly established our belief system in the cosmological view um i remember
03:18:02.260having some debates uh with some uh i i didn't i don't know if they're members actually to be
03:18:07.300honest with you to be completely clear i don't know if it's just somebody who was asking a
03:18:12.180question or if they were like a devout follower of some of this society um i don't know but you
03:18:19.840know we're discussing about the nature of the gods in their in their movements through the
03:18:26.660cosmological like worldview and universe and um i found it like it was being radically placed in
03:18:34.520a different context and i could understand perhaps the necessity for it but to go against
03:18:40.340other ideas, it seemed like they were against it because, oh, things were wrong. Snorri was a
03:18:47.940Christian, so he was placing the world tree on its side in order to show that the life of the gods0.84
03:18:55.520was dead and that the Axis Mundi, there's like deep, like crazy roundabout semantics to things
03:19:03.720that was like, I don't know, it just seemed kind of twisted to create a different reconstructing
03:19:11.560of things. And again, you know, if you interpret something in the Adas in a way, and you practice
03:19:19.920House of Truth that way, I don't think that absolutely negates things. But to say that other
03:19:27.740people are wrong about the way that they're doing this, or that the whole of our spiritual
03:19:32.540organization is seeing you know the heavenly concepts the middling concepts the underworld
03:19:37.900concepts uh the you know the bridging between those the structuring of what heimdall might mean
03:19:44.280as a threshold uh you know prism of that which is brought from above and down below uh a lot of that
03:19:52.240that uh concepting of the gods in a in a sense of a functioning living religion are kind of tossed
03:19:59.200out like the baby with the bathwater because it doesn't apply in the Adas because of this
03:20:05.180translation. I felt there was a lot of that placed. So that was a huge amount of it. I think
03:20:12.300the other thing is ritual and ceremonial orthopraxy. There was a lot of critiques thrown at,
03:20:22.140i guess i would say it was me at the time about orthopraxy and how um there is you know these
03:20:30.120things like uh you know the harrow and uh the accoutrements of like a stole uh even in and of
03:20:38.000itself um these things were kind of levied as i think materialistic arguments um but you know
03:20:44.680stating simply as it is that this is the way we have we are doing things we have been doing things
03:20:50.340our society recognizes these things if i show up to do a funerary rite at a hospital and i'm wearing
03:20:56.900a stole yes it has the runes on it but our society even though they're not out of truth they totally
03:21:03.220get it and it's not entirely in a christian context it's just that some people think it is so uh but
03:21:11.380that doesn't mean the entirety of it i don't know there's a lot of stuff like that that i remember
03:21:15.860uh kind of being tossed around so the fundamentals and there's a lot of there's a lot of points
03:21:22.980in their research that we don't agree on and some of those are really important and some
03:21:28.020of them are relatively minor um what i think that the biggest um i guess theme is is that
03:21:40.100folks in the noriana society um and mark purtier to what i you know according to the conversation
03:21:47.060i had with them and you know the things that i've read and the things that i hear
03:21:55.300and i've mentioned this throughout this broadcast and i think it's kind of
03:21:58.500fitting that this book ends the conversation a little bit
03:22:02.980to them it very much is an equation and a research and a math project
03:22:09.140um the right way to practice also true to them is only determined by studying ancient sources
03:22:20.420and figuring out how ancient people practiced also true because apparently there's been no
03:22:28.100it's not a living faith it's a dead faith that we're studying about that used to exist
03:22:34.400and with those folks it's as though we haven't been practicing alsa true for the last 50 years
03:22:42.800and that's unfortunate the entirety of
03:22:47.880and i i don't speak icelandic so i don't know what the alsa knowledge would be but also true
03:22:56.720is loyalty to the isere and it's based on relationships alsa true is based on a gifting
03:23:03.020cycle and our relationship with our gods. We have people who are the founders of the
03:23:10.920Asatru Folk Assembly and the people who are still with us that have been practicing Asatru
03:23:18.000for 54 years, that have built solid, decades-long interaction with our gods through being part0.97
03:23:26.240the gifting cycle through pious worship and practice to disregard that is a travesty to to
03:23:39.840history is disrespectful to us and to the iser and it limits our people and it puts these concrete
03:23:50.160shoes on us that we can never be more or do more because apparently also true died thousands of0.97
03:23:57.440years ago and and that's that's that we can never advance we can never move forward we can't build0.92
03:24:04.720relationships with our gods because the only way to do it right is to ape what ancient people did
03:24:11.280but without their social context, and by using very obscure passages as if the exception made
03:24:21.000the rule and not the other way around. And that's absolutely fundamentally opposed to the way the
03:24:27.460Austro Folk Assembly practices. We believe that our gods deal with us as people, and that we deal
03:24:35.500with them as individuals, and that we exchange gifts and energy with them through relationships
03:24:41.420over our time as Asatruar, that we tie into the relationships of our fellows, of those who've
03:24:47.880come before us, of our Gothar, and ultimately of Steve McNallan to have a series of relationships
03:24:56.760and alliances and bonds that we've built over a very long time. We practice Asatruar today.
03:25:04.740We practiced it yesterday. We practiced it, you know, as the Astro True Folk Assembly in our
03:25:10.620current form for 28 years now. We'll be practicing it for another 28 and then 28 after that.
03:25:18.040But we're moving forward with a living relationship with the divine. And it's very unfortunate
03:25:24.900that these folks aren't doing that. But what I've seen largely with the people in the Narayana
03:25:31.700society is a professional society of critics complaining about how those who do, do things
03:25:41.060as if they know better. But their knowledge is based on other people's knowledge that they wrote
03:25:47.140down, as opposed to experience and doing as a true for themselves. That being the case, that's
03:25:55.140why it's so fundamentally different. And if a group of people are constantly complaining and
03:26:01.300constantly telling folks that the way we are doing something is wrong and spreading dissension,
03:26:08.260then we're better off not having that group of people involved in our membership.
03:26:14.100At the end of the day the New Oriental Society is made up of about 20 people
03:26:18.260and of that I'm only aware of I think one that's currently a member of the Ask True Folk Assembly.
03:26:23.860So that's where that is and that's our big fundamental differences and I'm not sure if that
03:27:30.340that's and I mean that that's neat but it's really different than recognizable the houses
03:27:38.840of worship like the AFA has and I think there's a difference there I'm not saying maybe these
03:27:43.280people have you know amazing huge spectacular Hoffs I haven't seen them so I'm unaware of that
03:27:49.360um but I you know it was brought up in the fact that I one of our supporters on the side
03:27:59.180mentioned that we're winning and the other guys need to get over it. And there's a practical
03:28:04.620thing there to be said. We are winning. The gods have blessed us tremendously with victories and
03:28:11.620with successes. And I hope that they continue to do so. And I'm going to do everything in my power
03:28:16.980to try to receive those blessings and have those blessings for our folk and to honor our gods in
03:28:25.380such a way that they will bless us. One of the responsibilities that comes with that,
03:28:31.680that comes with being the big dog, as it were, on the block, is that it's our responsibility
03:28:38.240to protect the integrity of our faith and what it means to be ostrich. And when we, you know,
03:28:46.080do anything to support contradictory ideas of what ostrich is or should be,
03:28:54.000when we do anything that takes away from what we seriously believe is the will of the isir
03:29:00.000then we're we're not living up to our responsibility and i'm not living up to my responsibility0.57
03:29:06.000and i don't want to do that and sometimes when you've got to you know draw a line in the sand
03:29:10.800and say this is good this is not it makes people upset and i know that's a thing and i'm it's
03:29:16.960unfortunate that that's a thing but that's a responsibility that comes with being the
03:29:22.000the Asheria Gothi of the Church of the Issyria Midgard. And it's what I will do and continue
03:29:29.520to do the best of my ability. I'm trying to see if there's any other stuff over in the
03:29:43.320side or any more questions before we call it a night um again i you know it seems like the theme
03:30:07.160is on the side that, you know, our Hoffs aren't an indication of success, that success isn't an
03:30:13.480indication of winning or success. And also that success isn't an indication of, of right nor
03:30:19.880wrong. And I think that's not true. I think any of the pagan Aryan cultures of the past thought
03:30:27.180that winning was absolutely a sign of the God's favor. And that success was a sign of our God's
03:30:33.120favoring them. That's academically pretty solid. It's very convenient for me right now to say that
03:30:44.840because we are doing so well. But it doesn't remove the fact that we are experiencing a lot
03:30:52.220of success. And I think that that goes along with the trust and the responsibility that I just
03:30:58.940mentioned. I think, were we to not take a hard line on things that are fundamentally wrong in
03:31:06.580the approach to dealing with the gods, I think we may start to see some of that success diminish
03:31:11.340for a variety of reasons, but one of which I think it might be displeasing to our gods,
03:31:16.500and I wouldn't want to do that in any way. But I really did mean it when I said it earlier,
03:31:22.520thank you for straight up asking the question. I know a lot of people don't.
03:31:26.780um so i do i know nothing backhanded i think that some of the comments have been kind of rude and
03:31:34.040rubbed me the wrong way or whatever i'm sure some of the things i've said might have rubbed you the
03:31:38.120wrong way but i do appreciate you coming on and asking i respect that um i um go ahead i i kind
03:31:46.420of lost uh that you know in the movement because it's happened a couple times where the chat kind
03:31:51.400of stopped moving for me. And I did see one last thing before I was kind of like put at a standstill
03:31:58.240in the, in the comments, um, about, uh, something about the AFA way sounding very cultish, but I
03:32:03.900think it's intellectually dishonest to say that any group, uh, doesn't have their way or their
03:32:10.460tribe doesn't have their way. Um, you know, I, I know that cause I, I, I have some of the books
03:32:18.300from from uh the norena society in which they distinctly define a way their way uh the afa has
03:32:26.540a way it is not i think it's kind of backhanded to say that sounds cultish but it's kind of like um
03:32:34.940you know again we we don't our our way is not false but everyone else's way is like no at least
03:32:45.580you know if you can turn around and say no this is our way this is the way we do it this is the
03:32:49.180way we've you know predicated it and been very open and honest about that that doesn't sound
03:32:54.540cultish at all it sounds honest it's it's it's very easy to do that with linguistics and you know
03:33:02.620a a government that you like is an administration a government that you don't like is a regime
03:33:08.220mean the same thing but have different implications for folks a religious organization that you that
03:33:14.060you like is a is a church is a religion is legitimate one that you don't like it's a cult
03:33:20.540well technically if you go back to the etymologies i suppose the words kind of mean the same thing
03:33:25.340but the implications are certainly different we did have a last question coming in uh how do you
03:33:30.380teach men their feminine right brain hemisphere healthy function i'm not i'm trying to put that
03:33:40.460together and see exactly what you're asking there because i want to ask i want to answer the the
03:33:44.380question you mean to ask it's fine do you have any thoughts on that uh i remember where there
03:33:50.060was a conversation about the left brain right brain in a a couple podcasts back and uh again
03:33:58.380i don't know if there's a lot of gravity placed on that uh where you know that we're starting to
03:34:05.100find out that different parts of the brains aren't but if you're talking about like a duality of
03:34:10.460um, I guess like thought, masculine and feminine thought. Um, I think it in, I was recently
03:34:22.220discussing this with someone a couple of days ago. I think that one of the biggest points of,
03:34:27.480um, the masculine cultivation or the ideal of masculinity, uh, first and foremost bases itself
03:34:36.320around, you know, the idea, it's the masculine sense of not caring about what others think
03:34:48.920is, I think, a huge masculine aspect that starts to formulate action.
03:34:54.820It starts to formulate the idea of winning, the idea of achieving, the idea of building,
03:35:00.720The idea of structuring these things are built around first not caring what other people think, but focusing on what you can do and what you need to do and what you want to do and what you want to build and formulate and not necessarily really caring about what others think or to move that, you know, move those obstacles out of the way if they're impending or whatever they might be.
03:35:29.140and gravitate out of that and, you know, attain victory on what you want to do. I think that's
03:35:36.600a masculine ideal that is, if you think about it at first, it sounds kind of not an in-depth
03:35:46.980response, but if you really think about it, like, do I care about what these people think?
03:35:54.740no i want to attain what i want to attain so i move forward and that will predicate a lot of
03:36:01.900the masculine thought and deed that you need in order to cultivate that i think on the other side
03:36:10.540when we're talking about the feminine um i think and again speaking just from my observations is
03:36:17.680is, uh, about understanding the, uh, power of worth or personal worth. Um, I think that
03:36:26.960in the feminine sense, if women, um, base themselves off of cultivating the confidence
03:36:33.240of their personal worth, they then can move forward in the world with a great amount of
03:36:39.300power and grace and in, uh, the poise in the way that they deal with people. Um, if they see
03:36:46.540themselves not as, you know, uh, like women who oftentimes objectify themselves because they're
03:36:52.720seeking, um, affirmations from others. They are oftentimes the ones that are often most offended
03:36:58.880when people, you know, show them, uh, attention. It's just a matter of whether it's wanted or
03:37:05.860unwanted. And I think that's because they have a shaky sense of their self-worth. So, uh,
03:37:11.700The masculine side is projected forward by removing obstacles and manifesting deed.
03:37:19.020And I think the feminine is about reflection inward and reclaiming and hardening the resolve of their self-worth and what they deserve and what they believe to see themselves as.
03:37:38.380And to that, those two interplaying together becomes very, very interesting.
03:37:43.760And we see this again a lot in the stories of our folk.
03:37:48.600You know, when we see it in the gods, we see the worth of something being handed to the will of the other.
03:37:58.240the asenya or the etan bride or the maid is holding the knowledge, sees the worth of it,
03:38:08.040and it must be attained and then utilized by the masculine. We see this being interplayed over and
03:38:15.000over again. Again, to the earlier question about charming of the plow is, again, the earth has its
03:38:21.520worth already there. It understands its worth. It is the plow that must move things aside to
03:38:29.340manifest what it needs to create and not consider, you know, or hold itself up in wondering what's
03:38:39.460going to happen. Or sometimes it is simply about, no, I don't care. I'm going to move forward and
03:38:45.180I'm going to grasp and attain and create and willfully manifest. And so I think that if you
03:38:52.740take those two concepts and hold them in, whichever one you're trying to cultivate, whether it's,
03:38:58.460you know, a more assuredness in the feminine or a more assuredness in the masculine,
03:39:03.320those two points, if you ask yourself, am I caring too much about what other people think?
03:39:08.720that you know that's that's again reaffirming that masculine or do i understand the true nature
03:39:16.100of my self-worth that's again cultivating the feminine and from those two simple questions
03:39:21.440you can truly and organically begin to train and cultivate those aspects
03:39:30.340to the folks over in the chat room uh back when i was younger we would drink the purplesaurus rex
03:39:37.980So that is my Kool-Aid of choice. If I'm going to be serving you up, Kool-Aid. To the question, and I'm thinking about it, and I hope that I'm getting the question right that you're asking.
03:39:51.240if you're asking how we teach men to connect with their feminine side or to incorporate that into
03:39:58.040their life what i think is um important to that in the way that we practice also true is is a couple
03:40:07.480fold um often in our lore when people talk about their their philgia we see it from a
03:40:16.840male perspective and it's personified as a female um we don't see a lot in the inverse but i think
03:40:24.120there's some assumption that for for women that feel good spirit is personified by a male
03:40:31.960the idea that we connect with that as men
03:40:38.440helps balance those things one of the other things that's really important and connected i feel
03:40:44.440is the interaction that we seek with our desir the female spirits of our ancestors that watch
03:40:53.100over us as a man i can't like access my inner womanhood i don't think that's a thing but i can
03:41:05.280reach out to those women of my line that interact with me and ask for their guidance
03:41:10.300for their support for their love and for their wisdom and i think that does help add that feminine
03:41:17.960into into my life and into my thought process also connecting with our goddesses
03:41:24.860i think is a good way to come back to center at the end of the day or beginning of day or whenever
03:41:32.100you do it and reconnect with something that that is feminine and and interact in that way and i think
03:41:43.220that does a great deal to balance to balance that masculinity in a in a holistic in a right way
03:41:51.300and i think that women can can do something very similar when they they look to their fathers and
03:41:56.340their ancestors their male ancestors or when they interact with with the gods i think it
03:42:02.180connects us in in really a special way that way and i found that to be very helpful um
03:42:12.180get to arguing with the dude now we have some more questions popping up that's good i hope
03:42:16.980i hope that was worthwhile i i run into this so the next question's on this too
03:42:20.660um patrick as he was signing off expressed how unfortunate it was that we can't just get along
03:42:31.420with the doran society and they can't just get along with us and uh we look like the bad guys0.88
03:42:37.500because we're the ones finally saying all right this far and no more we're done with it it's
03:42:43.220a lot of people want us to appear like the bigger person and to get along with folks
03:42:50.860and to not punch right, not all those things. And in broad strokes, I absolutely agree with that.
03:42:57.060I don't ever want to come over on here and start bashing people or speaking negatively of people
03:43:02.440without context. But it's a balance that I'm trying to do. And I hope folks appreciate it,
03:43:10.020even if they don't agree with it. I don't want to be that guy that punches right or that
03:43:16.120criticizes other people that are generally in similar areas as us. I don't want to criticize
03:43:21.840people in general. But I do think it's very important that I ask that I answer questions
03:43:27.320honestly, because people are looking to me to provide them an answer, either, you know,
03:43:33.720as advice or as direction or just as clarification. And I think that I have a
03:43:39.460responsibility and it's very important to me to answer those questions honestly and sometimes
03:43:45.040unfortunately it does mean that the answer is is negative towards a person or a group of people
03:43:51.560and it's not I don't like to take swings at people that's not what I'm trying to do but I am trying
03:43:58.100to answer your questions on this so the next question is what do you think about the wolves
03:44:01.940of Vinland. They made something similar to Sigurheim with their Ulfheim. So a number of thoughts.
03:44:14.980Again, this is eerily similar to something I said a minute ago. I really like Paul Wagner.
03:44:21.120I like him as a man. I have a lot of respect for him in his interactions he's had with me.
03:44:26.060um i'll tell you this when i first became also your guilty there was a number of of controversies
03:44:33.620and you know people coming after us and complaining about us and us getting dropped from a platform or
03:44:39.740whatever and whenever any controversy arose um paul would send me a private message you know not
03:44:45.700for for anybody else just to say hey you know respect what you guys are doing stay strong if
03:44:51.620need to help us out and let me know and that meant a lot and he did that on i think two different
03:44:56.100occasions i really appreciate that um also i'll say this i think paul is um the most potent left
03:45:04.260hand magician that i've ever seen a lot of folks in those groups talk about various chaos magic and
03:45:11.780left hand things but i don't see their results in real life if you're this grand left hand magus
03:45:19.380you'd think you'd have your wizard castle and you'd do your stuff.
03:45:22.640And I don't see that most of the time with Paul.
03:45:26.120And I haven't caught up with him and I don't know what he's up to lately.
03:45:30.180So I don't know if this is still the case, but he was able to establish
03:45:34.680the things he wanted with his life to establish a lifestyle
03:45:37.880where he could afford to do the things that he dreamed of and live the life
03:45:41.380he wanted to live on his terms with devoted people around him
03:45:46.540and his getting their their land in I think it's in Lynchburg that's great I don't know what all
03:45:55.080they've done on their land I know that they built a hall there that they built themselves
03:46:01.980and I think that's awesome it sounds like what they did there was really good and when they had
03:46:11.400some attention to go back to an earlier question. I was told that there was some FBI guys there that
03:46:17.480were, you know, curious as to what was going on. One thing Paul did that I found really inspiring
03:46:22.340and has helped me in my thought process on it was, you know, he went up to their car and he said,
03:46:27.240hey guys, if you're here because of us and you're curious, why don't you come on up to
03:46:31.160Ulfheim and you can have dinner with us tonight? And they got to kind of see what was going on
03:46:35.700there. And, um, I think that was a real smart, a real smart move. Um, as far as the wolves
03:46:43.180themselves, I don't, I haven't heard about them in operation for a long time. So I don't know
03:46:49.780what they're doing currently. The big deal in what we were doing versus what they're doing is
03:46:54.120we're embracing, uh, order and the gods of order and what they're doing is embracing chaos. And
03:47:01.840we can't stand with that, obviously. I don't know how seriously they take some of that. They were
03:47:11.100very invested in, you know, cultivating a dark, spooky image that way. And a lot of their logoing
03:47:18.540involved, you know, Jormungand and Fenrir. And again, we can't be loyal to the gods of order
03:47:25.940and supporting the forces of chaos, so we have a similar situation with the Wolves, I guess,
03:47:32.240in the sense that we can't occupy the same space that way, but I do have a lot of respect for Paul,
03:47:37.880and that's all I know about him lately. I haven't heard a lot of news on them lately. What are your
03:47:41.920thoughts, Swan? Yeah, I, again, bringing back to that last thing that I saw, I mean, they have their
03:47:49.140way, we have our way. And those ways are often very different. But I recently had, so he's not,
03:47:58.840he's not a member of the Astro Folk Assembly, but he had the pleasure of attending a bloat
03:48:04.940that was held, I believe it's Matthias. And he spoke of it being very powerful, very moving.
03:48:15.300uh it was unique in their way there was elements there uh it was held at night and it was held with
03:48:22.420the the torches and there was drumming and and some uh you know things of that nature i don't
03:48:27.820think that there was like a it was like not a family uh element there but it was moving and and
03:48:34.900and powerful and i think uh what is it cathartic in the sense that it was definitely it punctured
03:48:43.540um something that he needed in his life which was he felt um you know just in a malaise so
03:48:51.560it was interesting to hear about that and their um the way that they do things that he he just
03:48:58.640kind of described it a little bit and i and i was and he didn't know a lot like he uh about
03:49:03.700i was a true just in general so he he was describing to me about how the horn was passed
03:49:08.520And I was like, yeah, I'm very familiar with all of that. And, um, so it was, it was, uh, it was truly an interesting thing. Um, as far as that goes, I mean, I feel like they are extremely, you know, tribal and they, they have a deep and tight knit inner guard. So that leads to a lot of, I think people wondering what they do and why they do.
03:49:30.580And I've never had any, like, brooches of conversation or any theosophical, you know, like, debates or questions or whatever.
03:49:44.820I don't think that they really tally themselves in that field.
03:49:49.860But, you know, beyond that, I mean, I've heard more misconceptions about them than anything else.
03:49:57.640So and I don't really try to entertain those too much.
03:50:01.760You know, I'll say this, and this is kind of an interesting anecdote, I guess, that that speaks well of them.
03:50:09.320A lot of their foundation is in that tri-state eastern Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey area, or at least it was for a time.
03:50:20.300and uh way back when and this is i mean this is probably seven or eight years eight nine years
03:50:27.540ago now maybe but they had uh patricia hall um a tremendous a woman that i respect tremendously
03:50:35.080spiritually um they had her there and they had her there as a woman you know in her i think at
03:50:40.580the time in her late 60s in this you know very male dominated masculine manner boomed setting
03:50:47.940they had pat come in and perform a ritual there one time and they were very very respectful of
03:50:54.640her and treated her very well and she thought what they were doing was really powerful so um
03:50:59.200there's that i think that's kind of interesting and it's always made me you know have a little
03:51:04.240bit of respect for the way they handle themselves on that um i think that's the last question it's
03:51:11.560last question in the, in the lineup is, I think it's the last question there is. Thank you guys.
03:51:23.120I know we got derailed a little bit there on, on stuff for a bit with answering guys' questions.
03:51:28.800I hope it was, hope it was useful. Appreciate you guys participating. As always, appreciate
03:51:36.160you guys listening and asking questions and makes for some of our very best shows having uh our
03:51:42.880special guest witness faun harrell here to educate us on the lore and break stuff down and share his
03:51:51.520uh his wisdom and his experience with us thank you so much for being here it's fun thank you very
03:51:55.840much all right well uh until next week uh it's been great talking to you guys um hail the gods
03:52:04.880Hail the folk. Hail the AFA. Remember, victory never sleeps.