00:20:44.160is more importantly to be seen as an intro by the poet, by the scold, by the speaker
00:20:53.500in the hall. And right away, it's kind of a calming of the hall to let everyone know.
00:21:00.760But there's some interesting things in here. So in the hearing, I ask comes from the pause
00:21:10.220or to take note, silence is some more of the proper translation.
00:21:18.120It's, you know, I bid ye silence all these holy beings.
00:21:26.060Now, in Bellow's translation, he uniquely says from the holy races.
00:21:33.240And again, that just brings up interesting questions.
00:21:36.220And a lot of that about translations is where we get, um, some interesting points. Um, and I wanted to kind of, um, play that off of, um, and no reason for people to like scramble for this or, or what have you.
00:21:52.440but Hollander, the Hollander translations of 1928 are very interesting too, but it's just,
00:22:02.180I wanted to make note of how translations can change things. Some of them can be extremely
00:22:08.300far off, and then sometimes they can hit the mark just right. So in Hollander's translations,
00:22:15.120and it's it's hear me all ye hallowed beings um whereas in uh bellows it's it's silence i ask
00:22:24.640all from the from the holy races um so i thought that was really interesting uh the use of of the
00:22:30.880word kinder for races um kinder literally is kind of like a it's not like or it's kindier
00:22:42.160it's not kinder like in german it means beings or people of the hall so silence i bid all the uh
00:22:49.600holy beings and the sun the sons of heimdall and um i think this is really worth noting
00:22:57.760that the the creation of the of the proto um i guess what would be like the breath of
00:23:07.040Odin in the proto-Aryan, or what would be the proto-folk. But it ultimately comes down to
00:23:16.580the most recent, in the sense that in Rigstulla, Heimdall comes down by generations or epochs,
00:23:27.780and those generations breed forth what they often refer to as the slave or slave structure.
00:23:35.580I've seen a bunch of very strange things. The economic status of Viking Age. But it's worth noting that the people that he visits are clearly associated with time.
00:23:51.400So this generational sense is important, but in this case, it may be seen as the strata of the jarls to the thralls is kind of how this is being used.
00:24:08.360From Heimdall's children, both high and low, thou will, Father, that I will relate.
00:24:17.820So by your grace or by your power, I will relate these old tales of men long ago.
00:24:25.080And that first stanza is the announcement of the speaker and doesn't necessarily denote
00:24:36.640the shift. Now, some people have argued that this, you know, the scald continues on or that
00:24:46.060this is the Valla, but it seems far more flat than everything else that comes to follow.
00:24:56.800So I've always taken this to be the introduction from the Skald telling everyone. So, you know,
00:25:04.220silence and I bid, hearing I ask from the holy races, from Heimdall's sons, both high and low,
00:25:10.880thou wilt thou father that i relate the old tales i remember of men long ago
00:25:16.940i remember yet the giants of yore this is a stanza two who gave me bread in the days gone by
00:25:27.300nine worlds i knew the nine in the tree with mighty roots beneath the mold
00:25:35.120so um mold is an interesting word because again mold is ground or soil um and i would you know
00:25:43.720the references of using it in relation to soil um but this is where it gets kind of interesting
00:25:52.280so most people are speculating on the idea that this is now the valla speaking some people say
00:25:58.420it is not, or that the Vala was always speaking. Um, but the nine worlds, the nine
00:26:06.660places, domains, um, the homes of things are kind of what's really being, um, portrayed here. And
00:26:18.500that, that's, you know, uh, I think very important when we talk about cosmology and we talk about
00:26:24.460the way that Ausatru formulates the worlds as like a circulatory system with the roots being
00:26:32.220the, uh, the, the, the drawback and, and all of time disseminating from heaven and kind of flowing
00:26:39.160from the top down. Um, this, uh, this is already kind of being used. So the concept of the nine
00:26:48.380worlds is not something of like new alice true or perhaps people trying to organize things no this
00:26:55.660is kind of known already um and that the tree the tree being uh rooted beneath the the ground
00:27:04.780but it's it's interesting they don't quite state but as we go you'll see um the way that clearly
00:27:12.140our ancestors saw the tree and where the tree is in relation to things and i think nowadays
00:27:18.540some people are kind of twisting those around um a note before we continue um mike donated
00:27:28.30025 we appreciate that mike thank you um yeah one of the one of the cool things about this
00:27:37.900this poem that's very special is it's really a go-to in a lot of ways for
00:27:50.860it's the quickest go-to for the the laying out of our cosmology of
00:27:55.580getting you very quickly into the mythic realm of understanding those cosmological components
00:28:08.320that make up Ausitru and that give context to everything else. So I think this one has
00:28:13.760gone back to very often because it's very important that way. It paints this picture
00:28:21.220in a way that was very easily accessible to our ancestors, and I think is, of what we
00:28:28.320have, the most, the easiest for us to access and conceptualize.
00:28:37.700And it's great because the tangible works of the origination of Ausatru kind of was
00:28:48.520presented in organizing things kind of in a strata of the worlds. And sometimes I'm sure a lot of
00:28:56.380people that have been asked for a long time are familiar with the idea of cosmology being kind of
00:29:02.680placed in a set kind of way. And these are really brought about from the poems, the stories,
00:29:12.120the placement of things and the words in which things are said are important because they also
00:29:19.320denote ancient concepts that are present in all Aryan faiths. The upper world, that middle world,
00:29:26.500the lower world, some of the worlds are kind of intermediary. And then we have like the world of
00:29:33.180the West and the world of the East. And we're going to get into here just some of the ideas of
00:29:38.840like how directions are correlated with understanding
00:29:45.160or meaning, especially in relation to the audience.
00:29:49.600And it goes, for many of us, it goes without saying,
00:29:54.780but I think it's important just as we're starting out
00:29:58.900for everyone to understand the language of poetry
00:30:03.900The language of poetry and the language of myth is to liken things to things that we're already familiar with and to express things in a way that we can visualize truth, but not intended in a literal way.
00:30:24.780in the same sense that you know you can't go to the edge of each of these nine worlds and grab
00:30:30.880the bark of a tree that you somehow you know what kind of tree is it can you take a sapling from it
00:30:37.540and as silly as as silly as that sounds up front I have met people who one of
00:30:45.020specifically Mandy and I had dinner with a person one time his
00:30:49.820his like re-understanding of things is you know he found some really ancient
00:30:59.240mesas in the desert that kind of look like the trunk of a tree but like super duper giant size
00:31:07.020i think some of us have seen those things like ah maybe that's the you know maybe something like
00:31:14.740that is what the you know what yggdrasil was they're looking and it's easy to see that level
00:31:24.500of literalism as being really silly from a distance and in a way it is but if your context
00:31:32.580is the abrahamic faiths that are built upon literal translation of of their sacred texts
00:31:41.600if that's the demand then out of piety to our gods you you flail in your scramble to try to
00:31:50.780make impossible things possible so the lore can literally be accurate and i appreciate the effort
00:31:59.080put in on that but that's it's unnecessary and it was never the intention and that's a
00:32:04.280The need for it to be an exact literal truth from the lips of Odin that this is how things are, that's a foreign concept, and that's not how our lore is.
00:32:17.920and honestly i think that's a beautiful element of our work because it expresses things in a
00:32:25.840fundamentally relevant way that is geared intrinsically and genetically to our people
00:32:35.200and how our people see and understand the world around them with their points of you know their
00:32:42.240touchstones of commonality and things that make sense to them and of how they conceive things and
00:32:48.400how they shape things and it paints cosmic and mythic truths in a in a style familiar to to us
00:32:58.000and to our soul that speaks you know beyond just mental you know analytical comprehension but it
00:33:06.320speaks on an artistic level that appeals to you know to our folk soul
00:33:15.200yeah i think um i've seen one other thing that was kind of caught my eye was um and this of
00:33:22.480course is on uh twitter or x but there was some some guys uh kind of going for the uh not that
00:33:29.200myths are literal but that lit that the that there is literalism of the myths and so what
00:33:39.700they ended up saying was like that our disconnection to mythos comes from our inability to conceptualize
00:33:48.740um i guess the the magical sight of things and and i kind of see where they're going with this
00:33:57.160but they were like, no, the tree is there. And it's, it, it, it loses a lot of the point. I think
00:34:05.240like a lot of things that we, when we dissect Aryan faith from all different branches are
00:34:12.680lost. Like perfect example is, um, the, the, the point and placement of Mount Olympus in the0.88
00:34:19.800Hellenics and, and how the mountain itself is utilized as kind of a, an axis mundi. Whereas
00:34:28.780for the Germanic and the Norse, uh, or let's just say Germanic may have been the erminsul as a kind
00:34:36.160of posting or central point of the council of the gods around the pole, um, or the central axis of
00:34:43.800the world uh perhaps even holding up the gods or the heavenly realms and then of course the nordic
00:34:49.900was the tree so there's a lot of shifting around and people if they take things literally lose a
00:34:57.240lot of insight towards what it means to even have an axis movie what does it mean that arian faiths
00:35:05.100have a central point and the interesting thing again is is it in the middle world is it in the
00:35:12.220upper world it's certainly not in the lower world that's that's pretty clear all across the board
00:35:17.900um but it's just it makes an interesting point and you lose that if you just simply say
00:35:24.620uh you know the the myths are uh not literal but that they are that we are literally to believe
00:35:34.820them to be literal it was kind of an interesting thing it was it was kind of like no this is there
00:35:40.040are no allegoric meanings the myths are true but beyond the confines of material thought
00:35:51.560so reading the chat wolf throne no worries we are only on stanza two so we have just finished
00:35:57.720stanza two you don't have a lot to catch up on a lot of it was just me doing some shop talk about
00:36:04.040fundraisers and stuff at the top of the year so no worries um oh also i just want to acknowledge
00:36:11.240a 21 donation from charlie thank you charlie we appreciate you guys i appreciate everybody
00:36:17.560tonight and everybody who wants to to chip in and help out you guys are great it's y'all's
00:36:22.760generosity that allows these things to get done um something i think and we'll kind of stop and
00:36:31.480interject and we'll find our flow as as this goes on and we continue but something else that i think
00:36:38.200is important to i don't know inject early on when we're talking about
00:36:46.120the need or lack thereof to force literality or to force um
00:36:56.440things that aren't intended because of someone else's model one of the things that many of us
00:37:05.220learn and that's most appealing to us about also true is it's not you don't have to do the mental
00:37:12.020gymnastics you're not trying to force a square peg into a round hole
00:37:19.460also true is literally you sliding a square peg nicely into the square hole that it is built for
00:37:30.860it fits and it all works and you don't have to twist your head in some there is a fundamental
00:37:39.560struggle that I think is responsible for a lot of the angst, a lot of the ennui, perhaps,
00:37:50.360of our folk when we try out of piety, out of wanting to do the right thing to force
00:38:02.720our folk soul to conform to a foreign model. And it's led to all kinds of metastasism0.91
00:38:14.860in behavior, in our souls, in really strange and often very ugly ways, but out of really noble
00:38:26.940intent of trying to do the right thing. One of the most freeing and most liberating things about
00:38:33.700Ausatru is you don't have to do that. You're coming home to your gods. You're coming home
00:38:39.720to something that fits. It's not that hard. And you will find that people try to overcomplicate
00:38:48.700it and make it hard. Something that is fundamentally true about our mythos, our gods, and our faith
00:38:55.200it is very very easy to comprehend for our folk but it's layered there's countless layers of
00:39:06.300depth behind it to where you can delve deeper and evolve and expand spiritually but the fundamental
00:39:13.500most basic understanding of it is clear as day and it's clear to people that you know don't have
00:39:19.800be well educated don't have to be well advanced in years just have to be open-hearted open-minded
00:39:29.000and have a sincere desire to come home to our faith and uh it lays it out it it lays
00:39:36.360itself before you in a very accessible way but also very beautiful way
00:39:41.080yeah i wanted to comment on um one of the things is that the these these poems are constructed
00:39:55.160by icelandic poets who were attempting to make sure that the poetry structure was not going to
00:40:04.440die as there was more influx of foreign ideals foreign um uh motivations in iceland and i think
00:40:14.760at the same time it was also a great leaning towards the desire to show the intricacies of
00:40:21.320poetry and how they compared to other europe european branches um but also they were formulating
00:40:29.800them in poetic style so these are stories first that become poems and the poems make them
00:40:39.880cryptic one of the things that's you know the stories and how they formulated uh i imagine too
00:40:48.600is before they were strictly poetic is that at some point the poetic formulation started to come
00:40:55.560about long before writing and um they were memorized in this way through a literative sense
00:41:02.200but they were still uh adaptable and i think that after this this was an attempt to make things
00:41:09.640solid and um but there was other reasons so this isn't a bible this isn't a like you said
00:41:17.800there lord othen coming down and and transcribing or speaking the word uh um this singular truth
00:41:24.600it's not that way these are kind of known as when when i'm reading this it's it's that this is a
00:41:32.280kind of a culmination of many many years of poetry and before that many many years of
00:41:38.680storytelling and that makes it so following over in the chat on the side again i know we're
00:41:44.920spending a long time on the first two here but we're laying some really important foundations
00:41:49.240I think. Rome age 14 makes the point that the myths are symbolism, but the gods are real.
00:41:56.760Those two concepts aren't some kind of juxtaposition. They're not in opposition.
00:42:03.560And we are, again, through foreign influence and through overemphasis on scholasticism, I think that
00:42:13.320we we have turned the word myth into almost meaning untruth like something oh that's just
00:42:25.320a myth as in it's not true that's not the case at all i think the myths in a lot of ways are more
00:42:31.560true than facts because scientific facts change over time and like truth doesn't but scientific
00:42:42.680facts are one way of expressing truth. And the depth and breadth of those facts do change and
00:42:48.880evolve over time as our understanding increases. Mythic truth, the myths are true. They were true
00:42:56.560when they were first realized by our ancestors through inspiration from our gods. They were
00:43:04.720realized when they were first put into primal utterance, when they were first put to paper.
00:43:10.060They're equally true today. They will be equally true when we can transmit them telepathically to
00:43:17.640one another. The myths themselves are true, and this is a beautiful way of painting those myths
00:43:25.020for our folk. But there's not a contradiction between the word myth and truth. Myths are
00:43:31.320the greatest truth. The gods are absolutely real. Don't get anything I'm saying wrong. Just because
00:43:36.620I said you couldn't go out and physically touch the bark of the world tree. No, Yggdrasil absolutely
00:43:46.160exists. It's just not like a birch tree out in your front yard. That is a way of helping you
00:43:52.800understand the truth of Yggdrasil. The nine worlds exist. The way they are drawn in the poetry is a
00:44:00.020way to help you conceptualize what their existence looks like, how to conceive that.
00:44:07.980But no, everything in our myths is absolutely true. The picture that is drawn to explain the truth
00:44:16.680is not a literal representation of the reality. It is a tool to help you conceive of the deeper
00:44:23.300truths that our myths are. And if that sounds odd, just please bear with us. It will make more
00:44:29.660sense as we go on, hopefully. So we, and I want to go more into that, but I'll go more into it
00:44:41.660later, maybe in a couple of stanzas, but there was something you said in there too, that's,
00:44:45.660I think is really interesting, but we can bring that up in just a second.
00:44:51.360So while we got it, Chris Lucat, $10. Thank you so much, Chris. We appreciate you.
00:44:57.140Swan, without further ado, can you read stanza three for us?
00:45:03.160Yeah, of the old age when Ymir lived, sea nor cool waves nor sand there were, earth had not been nor heaven above, but a yawning gap and grass nowhere.
00:45:21.180yeah this is um this is the starting of an understanding we know that uh in order for a0.97
00:45:34.040gap to be there has to be two sides so the idea is that most most belheim and nivelheim
00:45:43.040are those two edging gaps between but are there the two sides the gap in between is the nothingness
00:45:50.480the expanding expanse. And in this case, what is most referenced to is how things are coming to
00:46:00.740being and or spreading apart. And it's really just emphasizing again, in the ages old, where
00:46:09.280where emir dwelled in the gap um there was nothing there was just the the proto it was emir
00:46:20.960it was yggdrasil so oftentimes in the stories when i when i tell my stories i talk about
00:46:29.240yggdrasil and emir in the mist of the middle or the gap of the middle as the the mists from
00:46:38.520Nivelheim or the water and the torrents of ice and primordial is heated by the heat of cosmic
00:46:47.900creation or radiation, if we want to go in that interesting perspective, is that that's what
00:46:56.620creates the matter in the middle. And that matter in the middle formulates into Ymir and Yggdrasil
00:47:06.900And ultimately, Adumla, and there we have our first tripartite, which is something that I continually bang on there.
00:47:16.520But yeah, so of the old age, when Imr lived, sea nor cool waves, nor sand there was, earth had not been, nor heaven above, but a yawning gap, and grass nowhere.
00:47:27.700and then the vala kind of cuts immediately to um the raising of the land the the lifting of the0.85
00:47:40.460of the um of the soil of the earth or the the flesh of emir she doesn't go into uh the slaying
00:47:50.020or of, of, um, the specifics. She just kind of sets it immediately. Bors, or Burr's sons. Um,
00:47:59.940then Burr's sons lifted, um, the level land in Midgard, the, the mighty, uh, they, there they
00:48:08.740made the sun from the south. It warmed the stones of the earth. Green was the ground with growing
00:48:14.220leaks. And this, again, is establishment of all of the slaying of Ymir and all of that which comes0.93
00:48:28.000to be, the torrents of the blood, the formulating the stones from teeth. These are covered like in
00:48:35.940gilfaginning but in this poem it's already known that the the audience would be familiar with these
00:48:45.060with these concepts so it's being quite matter-of-factly placed out there um and
00:48:56.580i wanted to say a word on uh ganuga gab for a second
00:48:59.940there's some uh i don't know scholarly debate on a little bit of the etymology
00:49:08.580but the prefix of of gin in ginunga gap is often used as a prefix that relates things to the gods
00:49:32.140but it has the implication that it's containing magical essence,
00:49:38.760containing the magical potentiality for things.
00:49:47.320And this concept we'll harken back to at different times,
00:49:50.280But the idea of the primal wellspring of existence and of creation being a source of creative magic, a source of creative holiness that goes into the animation of our universe with might, with magic, and with holiness.
00:50:16.640uh it's also worth noting just going back to that part um the the yawning or the the great
00:50:26.240potential of it is separated in the translation the gap that is of like of a yawning potential or
00:50:34.700or a a sense of something to come or or that which is moving apart and that things are welling up
00:50:43.180within it um but there's also another part too that and this was from a conversation a long time
00:50:48.120ago uh the in that nor in heaven above the word heaven most people might think the translation
00:50:55.320shows um some sense that heaven is like a christian word it is not the nordic word is
00:51:03.620him or him in me, but in old or in old English, it's, it's he oven. And so they have the same
00:51:13.380root. The word heaven is a Germanic word, just like the word God, just like the word hell,
00:51:19.140all of these things. So I remember someone saying, you know, I kind of bristle every time you say
00:51:23.820heaven, why are you saying heaven? And I was like, because it's, it's our word. I'm, uh, you know,
00:51:28.820i'm not trying to say like oh we're taking it back it's just that like so many other things uh when
00:51:34.700we get into the fact that the bible is you know was written and utilized with middle english and
00:51:41.080and at that time we still have to understand that the poems as they're being translated
00:51:47.640are they you they're using older english words sometimes they're doing that uh other times
00:51:55.720they're not but uh you know they're utilizing that in relation so you find the commonality in there
00:52:02.060um just considering about when those times were how they were speaking or what they were attempting
00:52:07.840to translate to because there's ideals these uh stories and translations are coming around
00:52:13.340the late 1800s early 1900s being formulized into English and into German and again Middle English
00:52:20.860is already an older form and but you can find better translations with certain things like
00:52:27.640thou and and and thus even though they're not in common usage anymore so i just wanted to bring
00:52:33.260that up him and him and yeah heaven the upward heaven and again very important in understanding
00:52:39.700the the ground in which we stand upon and the heaven above us and why this it's so important
00:52:47.380that these directions are correlated in our stories and in the way in the relation between
00:52:53.640the way our ancestors saw the gods in relation to themselves and how we see the gods even in this
00:52:59.920modern day is seeing when we look up when we see the gods we we call to them and ask them to bear
00:53:06.900witness to our deeds as they gather to counsel in the above so and that that's subtle
00:53:16.020but I think the orientation inspires us in a lot of ways.
00:53:23.120There's little subtle things that are themes throughout,
00:58:19.900Thank you very much for your donation.
00:58:21.860also while i was reading that nick sent me that uh alcy miller donated fifteen dollars thank you
00:58:28.980for that you guys are being extremely generous tonight thank you so much we really appreciate it
00:58:34.980yeah remember too the bounty of the bounty you receive and the bounty you give like that's
00:58:41.060it's equal if you know he mentioned that's the point of faith who is is circulating that wealth
00:58:47.540and when you do that within your faith community it'd be i've talked about this before i'll talk
00:58:53.860about it again we talk about cycles but even though things move cyclically things spiral
00:59:01.300upwards when you do right action at the right time so being generous sharing with your folk
00:59:06.980contributing to stuff like this it spirals and that money the value becomes worth more than
00:59:14.340then the sum of the dollar bills on it and we've seen that it sounds fanciful but we've
00:59:19.380we've seen that time and time again well and it's you know like hoff toller is a percentage so if
00:59:30.740you're falling on hard times hey then you might not be able to give that much in relation to
00:59:38.740how much you're dealing with hardships but when you do gain then it's equal with your gaining
00:59:46.100and your your loss a lot of people think i think that the the donation idea is that
00:59:51.620when you're falling on hard times you got to give a lot no it's the one per a one percent of
01:00:01.460everybody's focused on that one there's people that do more and we appreciate oh yes
01:00:04.820absolutely or the 10 percent well something else to mention here um on stanza four as i'm looking
01:00:11.700at it and what we are doing is focusing on points that's fun and i want to jump on that we think
01:00:19.540are particularly meaningful at the time if you guys have things to add that you have questions
01:00:26.420about over in the side please ask questions if you'd like um
01:00:30.100um and then I wanted to uh just kind of mention so that is to say this as I mentioned there's
01:00:40.660layers we could go over this forever and there would still probably be little pieces here and
01:00:45.460there and points of connectivity to point out one thing that just kind of stands out before we hit
01:00:49.720number five though is the point about and green was the ground with growing leaks the idea of
01:00:59.560leek. Herbally to our ancestors, the leek was a special plant. There was a lot to it. It was
01:01:11.240associated with healing. It was an auspicious plant, not to mention delicious, and did things
01:01:23.800that way. But it was associated a lot with healing. And I think Svahn may have a little
01:01:28.380bit more to add about herb lore when it comes to our ancestors and leak well and and yeah the goths
01:01:36.660um they called healing arts or medicine as we would use today or medicinal or medical uh was
01:01:44.280leaks craft and it's it's kind of argued as to whether or not they're referring to leeches but
01:01:50.740A lot of people speculate that the leeks part is not about the transference of blood or fluids, but medicinal sense.
01:02:02.180And that in correlation to healing salves, balms, and soups, the leek is the cornerstone of most of the medicinal practices of the Germanic people.
01:02:15.140But it's also worth noting, too, that the leek is a broad term for, like, garlic was oftentimes just referred to as the spear leek, which is why gar, which means spear, and lick is a leek.
01:02:35.240So just the sense of leeks in and of themselves, the sprouting green vitality.
01:02:41.440A lot of people think, too, that Lagu is the rune. The symbol of it is a leek rising up and kind of wilting at the end as it sprouts from the ground. And there's heavy connections towards healing in relation to that rune.
01:03:00.980So, yeah, one of the holy rivers in heaven is called the Leek River or the Sprouting River.
01:03:09.560Some people translate it as to the Spear River, but it's more likely in reference to garlic or to the sacred plants of medicinal healing.
01:03:23.920It's not necessarily specifically garlic, as the word leek has a lot of tendencies towards health, healing, and vitality.
01:03:32.580So it was natural that they would, you know, choose that as a reference.
01:03:42.160So next we move into another interesting point that I wanted to bring out,
01:03:47.440is that I think if you read Alvismal and if you read Volospow and the references that they're
01:03:56.480talking about in relation to the sun and the moon, if you understand the way our ancestors saw things,
01:04:02.640these things are slightly less confusing. One of the things that's worth noting is, again,
01:04:08.000from where we stand, there's this central place where the mountains rise up or, excuse me, above
01:04:14.580the clouds and there is this land where the gods live in all of their realms and there is the tree
01:04:23.080and there is the place where they counsel and the sun and the moon correlate to the upper place just
01:04:30.520as much as the middle and you'll see that a lot more in Alvismal but the idea of what the gods
01:04:37.780called the sun and the moon and what the, uh, the, the Dvergar or the, the Svartalfar
01:04:46.040call the sun and the moon. And I think it's worth noting that they saw this as like the
01:04:51.340upper world, that the sun and the moon was shared just as much as the lower world with
01:04:56.360all the cycles of things. Um, and so it, it makes a lot more sense if you look at it that
01:05:03.240way than going like what is there a separate sun and a separate moon or is it are they are they on
01:05:08.720the planet if you try to like hard line it it's it gets a little confusing but that's because the
01:05:15.680way our ancestors saw it was this and it's worth noting i i find it really interesting the usage
01:05:21.880of the word about placing the sun in the right hand casting over heaven's rim this is specifically
01:05:28.340correlated to northern climates um but so yeah stanza number five the sun the sister of the moon
01:05:35.540from the south her right hand casts over heaven's rim no knowledge she had where her home should be
01:05:43.100the moon knew not the might was his the stars knew not where their stations were
01:05:50.380so one of the interesting things that you know when we talk about sun wise movement
01:05:57.640um the reference of moving around the earth sun-wise or that the sun is moving around the
01:06:05.440earth sun-wise on the rim of heaven is something that if you've lived up in the high high north
01:06:10.380you can absolutely correlate it and and to be honest if you lived in the far far south in new
01:06:16.520zealand or in um you know south africa or perhaps the outer tips of um you know south america the
01:06:23.860again the the movement is still the same but from the correlation at the time they were talking
01:06:29.300about the idea that the the sun's rimming edge especially during mid-summer when the sun never
01:06:37.780sets just rotates around i think that's a really hard concept for people who've never been up there
01:06:45.460to get that there's a time in the year in which the sun never sets and and we are always kind of
01:06:54.500in a ring of that light going around as we you know as the earth rotates and so for our ancestors
01:07:03.540the seeing of the sun is as being allocated to to holding the edge or the rim of heaven
01:07:10.180is about that transference around the horizon and what this stanza really is talking about is that
01:07:19.400again kind of glancing over some of the details but the idea that the gods set into motion
01:07:27.320all of the the things which translates really to correlating
01:07:34.000emir correlating the the the body the um the middle guard is being correlated to all other
01:07:42.880things uh but again they saw saw it as the things were being correlated um perhaps even separately
01:07:50.780the stars did not know and then they were to know their their stead the moon did not know
01:07:57.180his stead. And so then he was given that knowledge. It glances over some things,
01:08:04.020the origins of, of Suna and Maoni as in relation to metanarrative, you know, there's two kind of
01:08:13.320placements. One is that they are godly. And that I think is the way in which we take them. But
01:08:23.940there are references to them being mortal or at least understanding that the sun and the moon are
01:08:30.100much like the earth a thing that is inhabited by dominion or power so suna is not the sun the sun
01:08:42.180is often referred to as a spark of muspelheim but that she is given dominion of its station
01:08:50.240or its movements or its functions and that gets really interesting and this is kind of what i was
01:08:55.380going to hit on earlier is that the stories the truths of the stories are truly beautiful when
01:09:01.640you look at certain things that perhaps even our ancestors didn't know but we know now and that's
01:09:06.980what makes me believe that the gods had a intent with uh the keeping of these stories and the
01:09:17.240knowledge knowing that they were going to be kept in the state that they're going that they've been
01:09:21.720preserved and uh that kind of correlating with the knowledge that we gain from other sources
01:09:28.260um you know it's when we look at the the mentioning of sunas having two horses and
01:09:34.740mani only having one and the reference not only just to traversing across the sky but when you
01:09:42.460realize that Midgard has two horses as well, day and night, who are not mentioned in the poem,
01:09:48.440we have this sense of rotation. There are two on the earth, there are two on the sun, but one
01:09:55.340on the moon. And out of those three things, only one of them doesn't rotate on its own axis.
01:10:01.820I thought that was, you know, just truly interesting in the idea that what if a lot
01:10:08.000of these truths are woven in with our understanding coming to them, even in different ways. And I
01:10:17.340think that makes me wonder, even in the far, far off future, like you had said, when we're
01:10:22.320telepathically or across space and time, what truths or understandings can apply then as well?
01:10:31.600And that's what metanarratives, myths, their truths are perennial and they are framed in usage of elder times, but also of today in a lot of ways.
01:10:48.740As long as we just kind of understand our framework and understand a little bit about why they might be saying things a certain way.
01:10:57.280And of course, you know, Sunna is referred to in the Old Norse as Sol. Sol is the, just simply mentioned here as the sister of Mauni, or Mauna, which again is grammatical, but some people have thrown that into when we talk about gendering the heavenly bodies.
01:11:25.500That's an interesting subject, but I think more along the lines, what's more interesting about this stanza is that the sun, the moon, and the stars find their station, find their might or their place within all things.
01:11:44.060And it's not stated outright, but it's, again, the machinations of the gods creating all things in their cyclical form, and that's always kind of correlated as a round, arcing movement, the raido, if you will, the movement of everything kind of correlating correctly and in its proper positions.
01:12:14.060i don't know if you have any uh no i'm just looking at it now we're in we are five stanzas
01:12:29.080in that's okay these are this is really important and i'm glad we're doing that and well you know
01:12:35.400we came up with three parts today we can call it and do it in as many parts as we need to it's not
01:12:41.200we're not bound by time on it. I'd rather do it right than do it quickly.
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01:13:06.040tonight we appreciate it um i was just checking to see if we have any um any questions so far
01:13:12.840about the text we don't we do have good questions that we are going to get to
01:13:16.520after we're done with the text though so please stay tuned or if you're if you are going to check
01:13:22.440back in uh if you can't make the entire broadcast but no i'm okay i yeah i'm okay with continuing on
01:13:29.800to stanza six okay so well and it's also worth noting that there is a part up here which i kind of
01:13:39.160banked on or not necessarily banked on but understood that there's a huge section of this
01:13:43.800first half of the first 25 of the dvergar or the the svartalfar and their their names so it's that's
01:13:52.520gonna be one of those kind of leaps um no we're gonna listen to you
01:26:36.980shrines and temples they timbered high forges they set and they smithied or
01:26:43.780tongs they rot and tools they fashioned um when we talk first out the gate either
01:26:51.940or either valley either valley either means work it means toil it means really in essence a a valley
01:27:03.060of potential it is a valley of a place in which things are to be built and the progress of order
01:27:12.580is being set i think this manifests of course in in language that about um forges and you know
01:27:22.180tools and tongs and things of high capacity especially of that time the idea that you know
01:27:28.500You know, if you were a place that couldn't forge a nail, you know, or, you know, have these things, then you were no place at all.
01:27:36.420And this is kind of showing that the gods are formulating and formulizing things.
01:27:44.580They're creating and moving in this plane of potential.
01:27:50.040And it's never really specified, but it's kind of seen as Ithavol is in heaven, but is later on sectioned out into realms.
01:27:58.500um and i i don't try to hold on to that too hard in the ideas like well what what realm
01:28:07.160where are the property lines or what have you um but it's understood that either is that heavenly
01:28:14.600place in which they now start to build the halls of the gods and if we look in grimness mall you
01:28:22.820You know, even though in the poem Lord Odin kind of mashes all of the rivers together, you know, there's other poems that we can look at.
01:28:32.340There are clearly unique rivers mentioned in heaven, you know, Kort and Ormt and Thrund, and all of these rivers are mentioned as kind of being in the valley where the gods build Ausgard, the actual enclosure of the gods.
01:28:52.820But that's kind of seen as a symbolic sense of the enclosure in which the gods reside and that they leave that place to go to the base of the tree and sit to counsel repeatedly over and over and over again in relation to how they play out their dominion in the world.
01:29:12.800So when I speak about like how the gods hold their dominion over the world, these are the verses that are kind of explaining that or where my intention or idea of the interplay between the gods and everything in correlation to the base of the tree and where they assemble at that well, at earth's well, where all things are kind of originate from.
01:29:39.100Um, something else that I've always found inspirational and the more that I've, you know,
01:29:54.320thought on it over the years has been, uh, the meaning's been enhanced, but so
01:30:01.820So after they set the initial order and structure of things, of time and such, so they set these kind of abstract framework things, and then they met on the plane of action where things occur.
01:30:27.480And what they did there first was set up shrines and temples, and they timbered them high.
01:30:37.300They set up forges, they smithed ore, they made tools.
01:30:44.620First, just this idea of what do you do when you come to power?
01:35:09.900It's something that is going over here in the chat with Viral Mage.
01:35:16.300Who did the gods worship in their haves?
01:35:18.740Or is it talking about our earliest ancestors?
01:35:21.080Well, I think that one of the things worth noting is, and I've said this often, is that what happens in the halls of the gods happens to in the hearts of men.
01:35:31.540And this applies to a lot of things, including the binding of Fenris and so on and so forth.
01:35:37.080I think that it's worth noting that it's a correlation by the poets to correlate the gods towards achievements in mankind show their advancement, especially when these things were not easily attainable.
01:35:53.380So the idea of the gods building shrines and temples, building tools and making ore are specific towards the idea that they're correlating the gods to those who are listening to the poem and knowing ore is hard to get.
01:36:12.900These are advancements. These are things going on. The gods are advanced. The gods are doing things and they're doing things before everyone else.
01:36:21.300So I think that the point of it is correlation, not necessarily to say, oh, the gods are worshiping something in the shrines.
01:36:29.080The gods are worshiping something in the temples.
01:36:31.040No, in essence, the gods are acting like advanced humans or that the audience is picking up that the gods are advanced like they see advancement on a scale.
01:36:44.320And that scale is, again, if you have temples, if you have shrines, if you have the ability to make tongs from oared iron and things of that nature are continuously emphasized in order to kind of lay out to the audience that the gods are hyper, you know, up to date or even, you know, they're civilized.
01:37:09.680they're organized even to our ancestors these ideas were things that i think a lot of them
01:37:15.520wanted needed and desired and seeing that the gods had the the acumen in order to simply
01:37:23.400bring these forward is is a is a flex statement if you will the gods are mighty the gods are
01:37:29.560powerful um but how do you state that without kind of again correlation to the time and i think
01:37:36.320And also, we're in the section where the whole point is the establishment of order and how things ought to be.
01:37:47.280So we go very quickly from hierarchy of celestial bodies and time to, and then what do the gods do?
01:37:59.600They set up beautiful buildings and structure.
01:38:02.500And those buildings aren't just, you know, a bingo hall.
01:38:05.840their temples and shrines there's a place for the sacred when you look at and you know it wasn't
01:38:14.460talked about in uh in this poem but but it will be in more detail later odinville and vey
01:38:22.360one third of that triad of creation was sacrality that's what what vey's name means
01:38:35.240You know, our reality was shaped out of will, out of inspiration, and out of sacredness in a very literal way.
01:38:49.160And when the gods rightly order how the world ought to be, that space for temples and shrines is the first thing that they build.
01:39:05.240I noticed here in the script to, let's see, Uncle Krampus, migrating people tend not to build structures of permanence.
01:39:15.640And I think that that's interesting because one of the reasons why we know about some of the early Aryan migrations, or not earliest, but, you know, Iron Age, cusp of bronze and iron moving in is because of the Kurgan, the Kurgan burial mound.
01:39:32.380And so I think that it's kind of a broad stroke brush if you say they're not building for permanence. I think sometimes it's worth noting that for occasions of death and occasions of honoring the gods, they built structures.
01:39:48.380structures. It's also worth noting that they oftentimes reutilized megalith, you know, areas,
01:39:55.180but were often had those places seen as perhaps elder places or places that, you know, they would
01:40:04.220build their own. And again, there's other things that we might not even know. They may have built
01:40:12.060shrines and temples out of things that, you know, just don't stand the test of time.0.62
01:40:16.940kurgan stand the test of time and of course the megalith circles and stones stand the test of
01:40:23.020time but maybe they were you know doing things based off of what was available to them you know
01:40:27.100icelanders ended up building a lot out of stone simply because there wasn't a lot of wood one of
01:40:32.300the and a couple other things to consider on that the germanic tribesmen that the romans encountered
01:40:39.740first at that period and in that place were wandering nomadic they'd been pushed and by
01:40:48.620the environment by neighboring tribes they weren't settled it wasn't the height of some great aryan
01:40:54.220kingdom that was the ideal no it was wandering refugee tribesmen that were fighting amongst0.69
01:41:00.380themselves in a you know non-ideal state but just because that's the stage they found them doesn't
01:41:09.340mean that was the folk ideal they remembered and talked about those kind of things those structures
01:41:18.700palaces great things and when you look back in the history of of aryan peoples they have those
01:41:24.460at different times when you see even at that time when you see the culture clash between rome
01:41:30.380and the germanics they're both branches of aryan people that harken back to these most primal truths
01:41:36.300of creation clearly other branches of our folk were prolific in building magnificent structures
01:41:45.660but they did it in a way that did uh stay over time one of the things that
01:41:51.100we very often see is the wood used in germany and in scandinavia to construct structures would rot
01:41:59.340over time it's one of the advancements when you look into the building of the stave kirka
01:42:06.540the staves originally were embedded into the ground and that worked really good for a while
01:42:12.780but eventually it rotted the wood one of the you know later innovations pretty close to or
01:42:18.940right at the christianizing period in the north was to start putting those buildings on stone
01:42:25.420foundation so that the rotting didn't happen but it's one of the ways that they identify
01:42:31.420hoffs and temple structures archaeologically is finding post holes and the remnants of where
01:42:40.380posts would go but wood doesn't stand the test of time the same way that marble does
01:42:46.380well and i yeah he's talking about in reference to tacitus or tacitus um you know and yeah i think
01:42:58.380it's worth noting that the migrational period causes adaptation and i mean we we kind of see
01:43:05.200two ends of it when we talk about tacitus's um observations of the germanic people uh you know
01:43:12.660and he talks about how they don't put their gods into human form
01:43:17.960versus Snorty and his euhemorizing of the gods as kings of Norway or kings of Sweden.
01:43:25.980We see this kind of two sides of the table.
01:43:31.060I think it is also worth noting too that Tacitus was probably taking a jab
01:43:34.980at um the romans themselves uh because the the faith of rome and of greece and just of the
01:43:46.200hellenics was changing in and of itself there was a lot more of a artistic representation of the
01:43:51.960gods and not everyone was keen on that and and ultimately what it led to was the gods by the
01:43:59.660philosophes kind of turning into soap operas and dramas and plays and things. And so he's kind of
01:44:05.660at the front end of the slippery slope argument. And that's an interesting thing too, just in
01:44:11.880Germanic studies in general. That's the purpose of a lot of Tacitus' writing. And admittedly so,
01:44:20.400and well known at the time and since, what he did, not that it was dishonest, but he wanted
01:44:29.340to point out, I guess, what would become the ideal of the noble savage. He wanted to point
01:44:35.900out the decadence and decay that Rome had become by his time with an earlier stage of
01:44:47.200our folk where they were more in touch with the more primal element of our faith. And
01:47:51.240Did the gods then know, till thither came up giant maidens three, huge of might, out of Jotunheim?
01:48:07.140And the word used here, too, when we talk about giant maidens is thersa,
01:48:12.360Which is an interesting usage because thirsts are generally correlated with perhaps like a more primitive sense.
01:48:22.800Oftentimes people, I think, ultimately correlate thirst to troll in an etymological way.
01:48:32.620And I don't necessarily think that's the case.
01:48:34.800I think thirst means again ancient and mighty um of of of great power and that power can manifest
01:48:45.180very primally but it was seen as um perhaps not multifaceted but purposeful uh in almost
01:48:56.060like a singular way um but it's it's ear and you know they they say they uh in their dwellings at
01:49:02.700piece they played at the tables that part there is reference to the boards uh tables and boards
01:49:09.480um chess pieces um in uh i know i'm sure most people are familiar with like the popular game
01:49:20.120right now that has definitely was um kind of honed in the nordic lands though it's present in
01:49:26.980wales uh oftentimes a much bigger board and really showed up more in a revival in the
01:49:32.340medieval periods is uh not not but tuffle um which is the challenge uh not but is uh
01:49:43.220combat and topple is table so the combat table or the the chess board is like as we know it with the
01:49:50.980you know, the king and his loyal fanes in the center being onslaughted from four directions.
01:49:58.680Very, very cool game. But the idea of being able to play games and being able to do things
01:50:05.060is about peace. It's about prosperity. It's the ultimate desire to create a place where art and
01:50:15.580where um uh what's the word um entertainment can be attained uh so that people can take a relaxing
01:50:28.220break from toil and and uh the mundane and i think that that is in juxtaposition to the earlier
01:50:36.960stanza where they're talking about the gods working they're also now talking about them at
01:50:41.580peace and playing games. So the correlation there is, is that building societies allow you to have,
01:50:49.800um, you know, breaks, have desirable things, and that you should try to, you know, attain those.
01:50:57.600Obviously we could talk about, you know, too good a times create bad things, but,
01:51:02.600you know, I think in this context, um, the gods are enjoying the fruits of their labor. And then
01:51:09.840from Jotunheim come these thirst maidens. Now, I think it's worth noting that obviously these0.87
01:51:22.700are the witches. Nornir translates to witch, but they don't specifically say the Nornir in this
01:51:30.860stanza. When Midgard is formulated, there are two, again, kind of polaric sides, much like
01:51:41.820Muspelheim and Niflheim. There is also Vanaheim and Jotunheim. And Jotunheim is kind of referred
01:51:48.960to as the place of ancient things it's kind of the where the um the essence of emir's primordialness
01:52:01.920goes and they reference this as kind of like the east in in ref like the mountains to the east
01:52:08.960if you're in norway uh if you're in sweden or if you're in europe the the idea is that beyond the
01:52:14.720mountains to the east is where the primordial is um where the unknown is or the the garth
01:52:22.320at the edge of things is and they come from there because those things are they are ancient and they
01:52:30.080are in essence born of the slaying of emir and that i think is really important to to key in on
01:52:39.600Because ultimately, the Nornir show up because of the slaying of Emir.
01:52:46.500This is the time in which the deeds of the gods start into motion all things, including, ultimately, Ragnarok.0.99
01:52:58.300The idea is that all things have a cycle, all things have a completion, or a return, and then an ascension again.0.99
01:53:06.160And that is where the Nornir come from. And all of the Jotnar in the stories, especially the Jotnar in relation to Emir, are consistently viewed as coming from the east as in some sort of remembrance of the slaying of Emir and the willful changing.
01:53:29.160changing so when people try to organize things and create things there's kind of this um i don't know
01:53:35.400this memory or perhaps this is like just covetous desire to kind of change or dissipate and that is
01:53:42.680really exemplified in coming from the east coming from jotunheim those two are kind of interchangeable
01:53:52.280i think as things develop this becomes a little bit
01:54:37.540There are malevolent trolls and things that are malicious against order,
01:54:47.040against mankind against the gods that are yotnar there are amazing and wise like wizard giants0.92
01:54:57.360that are yotnar and then there are also progenitors of the gods um sometimes spouses of the gods
01:55:09.240forces from an ancient and a primal time that have an ancient an ancient wisdom or uh you know
01:55:16.320a primal from the roots of creation wisdom to impart at later stages and so i think that
01:55:23.200that becomes confusing because some are very hostile and malevolent others are
01:55:28.880existing on their own without particular allegiance and others you know are helpful
01:55:36.220at times so i think it it all depends on context it's not one size fits all when we talk about
01:55:42.960giants. Well, and this event creates a situation in which the gods have to gather. And it says
01:55:58.300that then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones, and council held.
01:56:07.180So this is, I think, there's, in reference to the Nornir coming from the east,
01:56:16.200but also I think this might lend itself towards some stories that we don't have
01:56:22.420that might not have survived, but translation-wise that it gets confusing
01:56:27.100and it doesn't get any easier um but it's just i think the first two lines of stanza
01:56:32.520nine are in direct reference to the fact that the nornir have arrived and they have to um
01:56:40.220you know correlate with their arrival and this brings on the next step which i think is the
01:56:51.460reason why the stories might not exist is i i think this is referencing to the story of how
01:56:58.020the gods and the the dverga or dvergar or uh and it's said if you're reading this in old norse
01:57:06.420um the the dvergar are the dwarves or the the svart alvar or like the the again the spirits
01:57:14.720of material um they they seek to gather and do they seek to gather in order to find specific
01:57:24.000dwarves it's never quite mentioned but we do know that the four hearts that are in heaven described
01:57:31.120in um uh the skull the skulls uh reference or in the guild beginning um they have dwarven names
01:57:39.440but alas there's a huge gap there um but it says you know then sought the gods their assembly
01:57:47.720seats the place in which they they their dominion the regan over and um they you know they're they're
01:57:58.040the great holy ones the the gin hilo gold they're the great holy ones gather and and counsel to find0.84
01:58:07.240who should raise the race of dwarves out of Brimir's blood and the legs of, well, it says
01:58:16.480in English Blaine, but it's interesting. So like, if we go over to the Nordic side, it's worth0.99
01:58:22.000noting there's a dash above the A, which means that the name is Blauen, not Blaine. It's pronounced
01:58:29.320Blauen. And Blauen means blue, the blue one, or the one of blue. And every reference that we can
01:58:36.760think of in relation to blueness is about death or at least being of the under so that's an
01:58:43.680interesting thing a lot of people take this as out of brimmer's blood which i think is correct
01:58:48.720is that this is a another word or another title for emir and there are multiple titles used
01:58:54.820is often used um and this one brimmer is kind of seen as um the brining
01:59:01.480rime ice but in reference to here it may be again uh blood brimmer's blood is this kind of like
01:59:10.180froth and and gore of emir's um movings and then the legs of blauen to my knowledge there's no
01:59:20.340reference of emir ever being referred to as blauen and we do know that both of these names are used
01:59:26.060for dvergar's names and so i'm wondering if there is perhaps a progenitor of the dvergar
01:59:33.900uh but most people take this as that from the blood and from his legs of emir is generally
01:59:41.660how it's translated um but again that's not a hundred percent agreed upon uh brimir makes
01:59:48.940more sense but blauen doesn't because out of the blood and the legs that and is kind of
01:59:57.980i don't know if it's connective or if there's a story that we're missing
02:00:03.260but from this um some people have surmised and i i think it has merit is that um after the flood
02:00:11.820After the flood of Ymir, it's said that the Yotnar are reduced to only two.
02:00:21.100And again, this is about, you know, generationally, like Ask and Emla are not physically a one-and-one, but the proto-generation of things.0.55
02:00:31.260So the proto-generation of the gods is in Ber-Yelmer and his unnamed wife.
02:00:37.280And they flow to the east, where it would become Jotunheim.0.70
02:00:44.180But it's out of Brimmer's blood and the legs of Blaine.
02:00:48.060Some people talk about the lower half of Ymir being mentioned as the legs.1.00
02:00:54.040And I think that that has merit in relation to where the Dvergar live.0.99
02:00:58.200The Dvergar live in Nidavellur, which is the valley that's beneath, or the dark valley, the place in the shadow. It's not Nidavellheim or Nidavellhel, it's Nidavellur is like the land underneath the land.
02:01:17.240And it's there, I think, that the reference to legs means, again, the underneath, the lower half.
02:01:25.340And there is where the spirits of the land, the spirits of the material, come and formulate.
02:01:33.500And, you know, now we're about to move into the litany of the dwarves.
02:01:37.940So keep in mind with that, and Svon's reference to the legs, the lower, and the underneath,0.98
02:01:48.380when we talk about, as we talked earlier, about the gods being in heaven,
02:01:52.880about the idea of upward ascension being a progression towards the ideal.
02:02:01.920um and it's fun name us name us some dwarves well okay so first um if you if you're looking at the
02:02:14.580the nordic to um english translations some of you might have them side by side i'm not
02:02:20.920100 sure where everyone's at but um in the english version it says there was moat saugnir
02:02:28.940and that doesn't fit because the it should actually be a th but the uh the nordic is
02:02:40.180mode mode soul near the soul the g is kind of rounded and what mode means if anybody's
02:02:49.920obviously with like, uh, with, uh, Magni and Modi or with, um, Modh Guth, uh, as she resides on the
02:03:00.120bridge between the living and the dead. Modh means might. Modh means strength. And Sognir is,
02:03:06.440is referencing to drinking or, uh, the drink, like might drinker, but it might have an interesting
02:03:16.800context in the idea of like gravity and the correlation of the mass of earth and the idea
02:03:25.380that the drinking or drawing in of might um i'm not saying that that's what this is alluding to
02:03:32.160but it makes for an interesting point when you think of of might drinker and the idea of the
02:03:38.680pulling in power. Um, and that I think is, you know, really interesting. The, but it says there
02:03:46.920was Motsognir, uh, Modsognir, the mightiest maid of all the dwarves and Durin next many a likeness
02:03:57.120of men. They made the dwarves in the earth as Durin said, um, that again, I think is the reason
02:04:07.020why it makes an uh a reference to perhaps another story that's why i specifically as durin said
02:04:17.440um is sounding of the idea that it's linking to another poem that might have been lost
02:04:24.000but the litany of the dwarves comes in there and i think that it's you know it's worth noting that
02:04:30.880the the dvergar are deeply connected to the material both in energy and in physicality
02:04:37.760the idea of the earth um the pulling of the earth the the the interplay of elements and chemicals
02:04:47.480i think is really denoted towards the dvergar and i think that that's worth noting because it
02:04:55.040It always mentions it with like in relation to fashioning weapons and things of that is that this is the highest quality or the highest power of all things that can be kind of interplayed through fire and rock creating this or and all of the knowledge that they have given to a Smith means that this is going to be, you know, an exceptionally strong metal or or object.
02:05:25.040Um, let me see here. So, uh, we, I'm still trying to make sure I'm following correctly. Yeah. All right. So, um, you know, now we have, uh, knee, knee, knee, no three.
02:05:55.040and Sudri, Ostri, and Vestri. Now, for anybody that needs to know that, again,
02:06:00.980the Dvergar are specifically kind of correlated to land and the land underneath the feet of our
02:06:07.040ancestors, and Nordri, of course, is north. Sudri is south, Ostri, and Vestri, so north,
02:06:14.880south, east, and west are really, really, again, important.
02:07:48.480so um they translate it to to vig and gandalf but uh gandalf of course is wand elf and wind
02:07:58.680spirit of the wind or or um elf of the wind and remember alf is always correlated it's much like
02:08:06.460the word vetter or white or kinder it means like a being of but alvar always have a tendency to be
02:08:14.860more of a spiritual nature than say a kinder which is like a a people um thorn
02:08:38.620yeah so that actually that's quite interesting um
02:08:41.500Um, nir og nirraudr, the rider, raudr, or no, could be council as well.
02:08:48.940So again, uh, some of the names of like Thor are ein raudr, the lone rider, whereas nirraudr, raudr most likely is, uh, or it could be auĂ°r.
02:09:04.980So, like, sometimes they're compound words, and so when you're looking things up, it might be worth looking at the idea that there is, like, even though there's near, near may be by itself, but the next one, near rather, might emphasize n-y, rather.
02:09:25.500And so you might want to section things apart to look them up sometimes.
02:09:30.220I'm actually kind of interested on that one because of the stasis of it.
02:09:34.580And you see this like in the rivers in heaven, outside of Edeval, over the mountains of heaven, there are two rivers, corped and orped.
02:09:44.640And their names are the are the cooling one and the twisting one, even though they sound only one difference based off of a letter.
02:09:54.560The idea is that there is one that twists like a serpent and the other one is cool.
02:09:58.760And a lot of this usage of words that are so close together are, again, a way for the poet to kind of differentiate and create a tempo.
02:10:14.440So there's kind of like this tempo that's really established at this point in the poem.
02:10:39.640Speaking of tempo, now would be a good time for Reamer.
02:10:44.440Well, I can't sing, but that was about as close as I could get.
02:10:54.860If anybody, nobody might know this, but like Riemöre is a singing style of poetic telling.
02:11:02.380Most people think that it's really old and it's been around for a long time.
02:11:06.520Some people think that it may have come after the poems were written down and that another way to kind of tell the poems was to sing it.
02:11:13.860But Sven Bjorn Bjartensson has recordings of Riemel on YouTube.
02:11:20.500Yes, I was just going to say, and if we can get any of our people to link those up over in the side chat or even in the description of the video or something.
02:11:31.260First, Sven Bjorn is one of our heroes and we want to celebrate him.
02:11:35.080And it's special to be able to, you know, hear his voice echoing through time.
02:11:41.720it's also just kind of a neat thing to listen to him do some of some scaldic verse in uh in
02:11:50.380reamer it's really kind of cool and it's partially because it's not our native tongue it becomes
02:12:01.020meditative with its with its pacing and if any of you guys haven't checked that out
02:12:06.660you absolutely should listen to all of it if you want at least listen to a taste of it
02:12:12.440um so you know but it you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you don't just check that out if
02:12:18.520not just just to get a taste side note i don't understand why the frozen version of me looks
02:13:00.540Ni, again, is newness. Ni and nir are both referencing to new. So new and new council. It's very interesting. And this whole part is really one of those like Wikipedia dives or one of those Metapedia dives or an etymological, you can go to Old Norse dictionaries and kind of, you know, really delve deep into the names of the dwarves.
02:13:30.280But I think this is a purposeful section that was either, it might have possibly been added in again to, you know, get the poet to practice.
02:13:46.040There's a lot of confusion that this causes.
02:13:48.940Like, for instance, in stanza 12, there is nir, nirauĂ°, and nu hevi ek dverkar.
02:13:59.080Now I tell you of the dwarves, reijen og raudzvider, which is swift council.
02:14:05.280But reijen is interesting, because somebody mentioned, I saw it in the side chat,
02:14:08.460about when I was like, oh, I got a dragon, and his name is Fafnir.
02:14:11.960If anybody's familiar, of course, with that, then, you know, the idea is that,
02:14:15.800is this the same Regen of that story? Are they correlating the two? It's not entirely known.
02:14:30.540And then again, these names seem to be repeating even items or even the elder gods. Like there is
02:15:10.540arm that drips nine but this could be referencing to the dripping of caves there's a lot of theories
02:15:16.800on this section and i i'm not particularly trying to point in any way uh but i really feel that this
02:15:24.920was a part that was added in with the intention of kind of showing what the poet can do by just
02:15:32.640memorizing and being able to kind of lay out the litany um very very quickly so you know again a
02:15:41.960lot of the the uh the big thing i would say is understanding like dashes above a's me meaning
02:15:49.640an owl sound a dash above a y is like a double e sound uh if it's in the middle of a word um
02:15:58.400understanding what an ev is which looks like a d with a line through it's like a t and a
02:16:03.520lowercase d that's actually the th sound um so if you see that like they they translate it to
02:16:11.280frar f-r-a-r but it's if you look at the nordic one there's an a dash above it so it's fraur
02:16:20.880and uh the r at the end is its own syllable so it's it is most likely fraur
02:16:26.320because ours are uh often added as their own so to add something to uh just the side chat the wolf
02:16:34.140throne is you know if you guys actually go through every stanza and every poem in the poetic edit
02:16:39.780that would be so cool it will be so cool because we are absolutely going to do that we're going to
02:16:45.700riddle them off one at a time um and we'll see what kind of pacing and what we're going to do
02:16:51.540on that because you know i don't know how many wednesdays in a row we we can have spawn on here
02:16:57.740per se but we're going to get that figured out and do that and uh you said one episode for each poem
02:17:03.680that's a cool idea but they're very meaty and uh i think that's a biting off a little bit more than
02:17:09.260we can choose so we're probably going to break several of them up into uh multiple episodes like
02:17:14.460we're doing tonight. But that is absolutely the plan. So stick with us and we will make that
02:17:21.400happen for you. Let's see now. I'm trying to think of, there is an interesting note here about
02:17:40.100dvalin being the kind of originator of the the dwarves and that somehow he is the link between
02:17:47.880how the dvergar attain runes um and they're not necessarily mentioned as perhaps different runes
02:17:55.760but are the runes that odin attains and that somehow he attains them which is another reason
02:18:04.020why i i wonder if there are stories again that are lost especially in referencing to the dvergar
02:18:14.260because if you were to give whole stanzas i think that their empowerment in uh stories uh has been
02:18:22.180lost just because of the evidence it seems so um you know indicative of a lot of of the poetics
02:18:32.380And of course, we don't really see any of that until, you know, Tolkien and his usage of the dwarves' names. And that most likely I think just really comes from his love of etymology and the idea that, you know, of Bomber being the kind of the boisterous one.
02:18:50.920And I know some people kind of turn their nose towards Peter Jackson's versions,
02:18:58.820but I will note like Bomber had a drum and I thought that was really cool.
02:19:02.760Like they did a little bit of a nod towards the etymology of the name being like a resounding sound.
02:19:09.740So I think that was really cool because I don't remember him having a drum in the books.
02:19:18.580but uh so we're so after the litany of the dvergar we we move our ourselves into
02:19:28.300the next stage of the the ordering and the actions of what is being committed
02:19:37.200are starting to formulate things the slaying of emir and the the the coming of the dwarves
02:19:43.620the coming of the nornir and the coming of the dwarves but now there's also another thing that
02:19:48.320comes into being is the west now starts to bring itself into the realm of of um understanding and
02:19:57.040it correlates again i've mentioned a thousand times natural law and the and and the the cycle
02:20:03.620of life and death and all things is now coming into the dominion under cosmic order but it will
02:20:10.980not come peacefully there has to be a kind of uh again a great battle and a a sense to overcome
02:20:20.980so i i you know we're correct on stanza 21 right we
02:20:28.020are we're still doing we're we're still on the the throng of the dwarfs but um if we move to after
02:20:36.500is it 17 let me see here just making sure we're all on the same page
02:20:48.220oh yes sorry i skipped ahead um so after the litany of the of the dwarves and the list
02:21:03.060you know the list of all the forbearers of lovar then it switches then from the throng
02:21:11.300did three come forth from the home of the gods the mighty and gracious
02:21:18.780two without fate on land they found ask an embla empty of might so they're speaking about
02:21:29.680the tripartite of Lord Odin. And at this point, it's worth noting then from the throng, then from
02:21:38.640the great group of the gods, three of them came. So in the stories, I kind of talk about the gods
02:21:45.920as being young at this moment, because I'm making reference to the time, but that I also, you know,
02:21:53.160conceptualizing lord odin in different times um but it's worth noting it out of the group of them
02:22:00.600come three from the home of the gods from heaven the mighty and gracious they find on the land
02:22:10.560two that are unfaded there's no might with no destiny ask and embla empty of orlog
02:22:21.180that's an interesting point that in in the translation is empty of might but ask or
02:22:28.740emble or log lausa without lost of orlog they don't have it they're not fated some other
02:22:37.600translations say you know unfated yet and i think that's truly an interesting point is that
02:22:43.460The idea of Orlog being passed down to us from birth, in an essence, it kind of starts with the formulation of the proto-folk, the Asken Umbla.
02:23:02.000And so that breath and all of that starts the Orlog cycle.
02:23:06.240and the naming which is synonymous taking and this is is fundamental and we see it in our
02:23:18.160our naming right that we do to children um but you can do this with an item i did this with
02:23:25.280relentless the afa sword at uh siger bloat
02:23:29.840So, affixing a name to something imbues it with an orlog, with a hymena, with luck, with a sense of it being a separate being.
02:23:45.120It not being a thing, but a named quantity.
02:23:56.120and when you deal with objects obviously they're not people nobody thinks that it's exactly the
02:24:02.700same it's not but the idea of affixing a name to it makes it a separated thing from the world
02:24:12.060it's not a sword it's not this sword it's not that sword this is relentless like these are not
02:24:20.460just logs that came up on the seashore they're this they're that the other okay from this point
02:24:27.320on this is ask this is embla and these are the gifts that we've given them at the time of their
02:24:34.540naming and they bestowed gifts upon them at the point of their name and that's something that we
02:24:41.020try to do in a way as well in our in our baby naming ritual
02:24:52.460and i think it's um just noting on pronunciation anytime you see the o with two dots that's
02:24:59.660starting to get replaced by an o with a small tail in a lot of the um translations but the
02:25:08.060best way to think of it is when you see that o it's kind of an it's like sought it's an a u or an
02:25:15.420o u sound so or and then when we talk about log we say like or log but or law because the g is
02:25:26.380probably very very soft and throated so it again kind of correlates to er primordial law but
02:25:38.060know our law lawsa um again they may have throated the g a little bit more old norse than they do in
02:25:49.180modern icelandic but it means primordial law or fate as it's often translated
02:25:57.020and in uh from 17 to 18 there's again a great amount in in talking about what makes
02:26:07.900Asken Ambla and the proto-folk different is that they're given gifts that
02:26:14.520inexorably connect them to the gods0.95
02:26:19.320and in a way this is the dynamicism of Lord Odin
02:26:25.040the tripartite unto himself the dynamic creator comes down able to move between heaven and earth
02:26:35.720in you know and manifest that kind of uh threshold and in doing so then taking um
02:26:45.160uh shape of and giving fate to that which is unshaped and unfaded um and i i also joke
02:26:55.380not joke per se but in my stories i talk about how the vana gods here in the middle realize
02:27:02.100that someone of great power has been in the middle when they see this change because it's
02:27:09.600often referred to that the Vanir are the older gods or old gods. And then in essence, denoting
02:27:17.100that the folk, when they are created by the Aesir, given that fate, they leave, they go back0.94
02:27:25.580to the gods. And so they're left in the middle to achieve, to, you know, make greatness. And
02:27:33.820Perhaps the first mighty powers that they interact with is the Vanir.
02:27:39.980And it is then later that the Aesir become known and prevalent, the idea, the expanding, that which is above.
02:27:47.960So the first thing we learn is the powers of natural law, the things that are inescapable, life, love, procreation, death, and legacy of the cycles of life.
02:28:02.580hunting eating so on and so forth it is then when the the esir come in after that alignment
02:28:10.220that we begin to see greater understandings of things civilization law um you know things that
02:28:18.480we we attempt to create out of or possibly that are intangible but yet you know we desire to make
02:28:26.260eternal. So, um, they had not, or soul they had not, um, since they had not. And again, soul is
02:28:40.340interesting in the, in the, in the usage because it's, it's not, it's breath, the divine breath or
02:28:45.920the inspiration of breath. Uh, obviously if they direct translation, they would have used the word
02:28:50.500sour but here they say owned they did not have or uh bearing um they didn't have our heat nor motion
02:29:04.420nor goodly hue so they're again lao lao ne leti ne leto goda so the they they are given
02:29:17.940the the kind of correlation between will and physical movement are are seen in this
02:29:26.600is that they have the ability to um move in accordance to their will and i think that's
02:29:33.960one key part that I've always focused on is one of the things that truly makes us part of the gods
02:29:39.820is our ability to transcribe, describe, or just even see ourselves in a place or future outside
02:29:49.400of our fate that we can conceptualize. Because for most of the part, our understanding of animals is
02:29:57.660that they, in essence, are built off of the reactions of other things. They learn from
02:30:04.180their past and that they don't conceptualize themselves. Obviously, communication is a factor
02:30:09.760there. But the idea is that most animals in studying learn from mistakes. And that's an
02:30:18.860evolutionary thing in which it's like, oh, I went down here and I got attacked. I made it. So now
02:30:23.760every time I go down here, I'm going to be very, very cautious. Whereas for us, we can actually
02:30:29.540conceptualize ourselves with thought. And so that's why in the Germanic language, you have
02:30:36.260the past ran, you have the present run, and then you have the future will run. And it's such a
02:30:44.340uniquely Germanic concept. The idea is that I will, I'm conceptualizing my will into an unknown
02:30:53.740fate. And I think that's where things get really spicy. And it's on purpose that the gods are
02:31:01.780talking about fate, but that humans are unique in their ability to kind of become nexuses of
02:31:09.640fate turning, or perhaps vessels of dominion of the gods, and that the gods can enact certain
02:31:19.100things through our being and and so i think that plays out with asking the gods to witness us
02:31:26.540to guide us to give us wisdom and all of these things as opposed to animals which kind of again
02:31:33.180learn from the past and go forth in the present moment and that's a very kind of interesting part
02:31:39.740of that um uh stanza 18. and um they so they say heat
02:31:55.180and i think that's interesting so um in the they talk about breath on the god
02:32:13.100od is like inspiration fury and uh the the the build-up of things and lao is like
02:32:25.260light or color as oftentimes it's referred to as the coloring the lightness of um
02:32:31.900The eyes or the body or just the color and the shape is another way you can, you know, look at that in relation to, but I just found it interesting that Bellows used the word heat.
02:32:49.040um and i think that has more along the lines of blood blood and color um the willful manifestation
02:33:00.120loather gave now uh i know right now some people are going to start to ask okay well we have odin
02:33:09.460but what's up with uh hyoner and loather and the truth of this is is i i think that the audiences
02:33:17.420of the our ancestors knew hyonur and lodur as derivatives of villi and vey but that they
02:33:27.260might have poetic meanings in correlation to what they're doing right now because remember
02:33:34.300we would talk about sense hyonur is again the idea of um the formulation of sense
02:33:41.340Lodr has to do with, again, heat or formulation of shaping. And so I think that these are just
02:33:50.060derivatives or perhaps names that correlate specifically to that. And that's why I oftentimes
02:34:01.060refer to Lord Odin as the tripartite of he is one, but when he manifests his will to an end,
02:34:09.540he is three again that dynamic number um and so he is the three but the three are him
02:34:18.320and they're enacting themselves on different levels whether and it's like the upper middle
02:34:24.520and kind of lower level it's the it's the um the cosmic breath of life it is the shaping or
02:34:32.520formulation. And then it too is like the color and the material, the substance of. And so
02:34:39.180it creates this strata once again, which is hugely important, especially to most, you know, Aryan
02:34:46.100stories. And we have a little bit of talk about that in the chat room while we're on the side.
02:34:57.600Vroomage says, goodly hue, question mark, or divine color, litugotha, is more our ethnic
02:35:08.800appearance, I'd say, lao heat, or blue veins like a blue stream, lao like laogues, fate
02:35:19.600effectors color that makes sense still ethnic related blood blue-blooded arians i don't see
02:35:27.520the connection with blue so much i do see the connections with life and at this point i don't
02:35:40.240first i don't just get agree disagree i'm certainly as as racially aware as as everybody
02:35:46.240in the chat. I get it. But that wasn't a necessary distinction to make when this was being written
02:35:53.600down. There wasn't a lot of other groups of people to juxtapose ourselves to. One of the things that
02:36:02.060you see with all of these things is the difference between the living and the dead. Mankind is
02:36:07.820different from dead things because, and you're right, it does absolutely relate to the blood.
02:36:16.240but to the blood in the sense that it adds color one of the things and swan touched on this with
02:36:21.520uh blauen earlier when talking about the dwarves blue was always associated with death um
02:36:30.480death blau uh the the blue of of the corpse the difference is when a corpse has when a body has
02:36:40.640color that's one of the ways that you know that it's living that's one of the things that you can
02:36:45.280kind of see most you know most markedly in us and the paler our complexion is you see the difference
02:36:56.240between you know blood in the cheeks and in the body or they've gone you know they've gone white
02:37:04.240when the blood runs out or when the blood's drained so the idea of the life blood in it
02:37:10.480making it vigorous making it life but also the will
02:37:16.480and i mean animals have primitive will in a you know mate eat
02:37:26.880you know friend or foe kind of thing but then the real thing
02:37:32.800um that breath of life the divine spark that odin gives is that which elevates us you know
02:37:43.900beyond the dead things beyond the levels of living creatures into something that is more
02:37:51.560than the rest of what occupies earth but less than what the gods are but of something similar
02:37:58.140It's the warmth and the blood that fills the cheeks.
02:40:39.760thence come the dews that fall in the dales green by earth's well does it ever grow
02:40:49.980so um a couple of things on this one immediately the ash the utilization of the ash
02:40:58.580many of us could pick apart when we talk about the concepts of the axis mundi whether the axis
02:41:06.980mundi is like visualized in the center visualized in the upper and again never really visualized in
02:41:14.180the lower at all because again the farther and lower things go the dominion of cosmic order
02:41:21.700starts to dissipate and so what we find is the ash tree i think is very significant to the norse
02:41:30.740the idea that the possible we talked about this with um with iwaz the rune of the yew tree and
02:41:37.700the idea that the yew tree had great significance but i think that the ash is specifically chosen
02:41:43.820because of the root system and the idea of how far spreading the root system is
02:41:49.700um because that comes into such a great importance as we go but uh an ash i know
02:41:57.600with water white. This is the sprinkling of the water in relation to when the Norns are spoken
02:42:08.300of wetting the roots of the tree while in heaven they keep it afresh and anew and dew springs from
02:42:19.040its leaves. And we talk about this and I kind of correlate that when we talk about ascension
02:42:25.360and the soul returning that root in the lower world uh in in very elmer that drawing up from
02:42:35.220the the realm of where the the folk soul is is that the yggdrasil is kind of like an ordering
02:42:41.480system a a way of um stratifying life and dominion in the realm of the gods and they too can control
02:42:51.020that happening. The Nornir control it, the gods control it. They oftentimes employ that moment of0.97
02:42:58.640when the dew falls from the tree, as I talk of, in relation to the idea of the returning
02:43:06.880of that soul might from ascension. And so, you know, then comes the dews that fall in the dales.
02:43:17.540And this is also referring to just the moisture of actual dew.
02:43:24.960And it's mentioned that it's the spittle of Nani's horse, who is unnamed.
02:43:35.500A lot of people get it confused with Rimfaxi, which is poetically connected to Not, the heavenly warden of night.
02:43:47.540Um, but she, uh, so in this part, you know, they're, they're kind of, again, making reference to the, the moisture and the life and the, the things that grow and the things that manifest without being seen.
02:44:01.780It's, it's very kind of akin to the power of things being unseen and then becoming tangible.
02:44:07.340and there it is kept evergreen at others brunny erds well and it's mentioned again in the gil
02:44:20.700forgetting is where that is is in heaven so thus the base of the tree in the center
02:44:28.140is it's the center of the center it's the middle of heaven and that is entirely
02:44:36.240connected to everything that goes around it including the middle and the lower and this
02:44:41.800is where we get into having to extend things too far at some point it because it is not a literal
02:44:49.280tree at some point you can freak out about literalities of things because it does serve
02:45:02.560as a connection between all the different worlds but the idea that it's tended it's watered and it's
02:45:08.000rooted in the divine is very important that it's rooted in the upper and that that goes to these
02:45:15.840other worlds is is meaningful in and of itself but the more you try to force it into being a literal
02:45:24.560tree and you start wondering why some pieces are in different places
02:45:31.440i think you end up doing a disservice if you're not
02:45:35.920the things that they specifically mention their locations they're specifically making that point
02:45:42.720for a reason. And that's the things to focus on, I believe. And yeah, that divineness of being the
02:45:52.120upper and the things that disseminate to the middle and to the lower for reasons and the
02:45:57.740movements. And we see that a lot in other Aryan stories and mythoses. Again, the striker in
02:46:06.380manifestation never steps into the underworld unless, you know, it's bad or the end of things.
02:46:12.720but is fighting things coming out of the earth, the chthonic serpent, if you will. So I think a lot of the desperation towards, you know, making the roots in the lower, all of the roots in the lower loses the entire point of understanding that Yggdrasil is in the upper and manifests much of its power in the whole dynamic of the Nornir and the gods and the counseling seats and the, you know, the watering of the roots is that all of that
02:46:42.720descends down from the upper world and i think that that is you know very uh arian if we're
02:46:51.200talking about uh the gods of olympus or or you know high upon the crags and their fate is kind
02:46:58.880of you know disseminated out or that they gather to witness these things and i think you could make
02:47:04.560an argument that perhaps snorty is pulling from hellenistic ideas i mean he clearly does numerous
02:47:10.560times throughout most of the poems um but it's not super clear and yet at the same time because
02:47:18.000they are branched um families uh of of the europeans you know there's clear parallelisms
02:47:27.520that are throughout because of the way things are structured so you can't really you know i think
02:47:34.720split hairs but i think it's again more important to understand where things are and why things are
02:47:39.920there as opposed to trying to conceptualize that it's standing on four pillars or there's a table
02:47:47.280or well something else that i think is important and meaningful is you can't
02:47:57.120a lot of people will approach our lore and our band also true generally
02:48:10.960as some kind of a literary extrapolation so they're
02:48:17.520they're treating these things as elements in a story as opposed to an expression of divine truth
02:48:41.600may not seem as obvious but going from
02:48:47.520All right. Going from the mundane and the debased and trying to build our gods from it is very
02:49:09.280different and leads to very different conclusions than taking actual gods that exist in the higher
02:49:20.500in the the astral and trying to understand them so trying to project our stuff onto the gods
02:49:33.880may in a lot of ways look similar, but the details are really different. When we're trying to go from
02:49:42.300human baseness and project the gods out from that, it's very different than taking the gods
02:49:50.660for who the gods are and trying to understand them as best we can, trying to reach up towards
02:49:56.500them as opposed to trying to bring them down to our level. And that's a really fundamental
02:50:01.740If you approach our lore as if it's, you know, comic book characters written by, you know, ancient proto Stan Lee, it's a very different thing than trying to realize that our ancestors were trying to express higher truths of the gods in a way that would make sense to Vulcan with images.
02:50:31.740imagery that people would understand. And just thinking about that as a touchstone every
02:50:38.660time something doesn't make sense or every time you want to make a leap, err on the side
02:50:45.580of trying to understand the gods as opposed to trying to project a story. And I think
02:50:51.280it would, it would help a lot. Well, and to go into the etymology a little bit, I saw on the,
02:51:05.120on the side here, Yggdrasil, the horse of Odin. Again, the Yggdrasil is Yggdrasil is one of the
02:51:18.480haiti of lord odin and it means the terrible or the awesome the kind of fear or emotional0.94
02:51:29.200responding sense of like that you're you're dealing with something of great power and uh
02:51:35.840drassil is kind of a combination of thrumming or repetition or uh hoof beats if you will and
02:51:46.880and the idea that Yggdrasil is being referred to as Odin's horse.
02:51:53.200And that is clearly in correlation to Odin upon Yggdrasil in heaven attaining the runes
02:52:04.200and traveling beyond the reaches of even the gods
02:52:08.960and finding out things of great importance beyond even some of their capabilities.
02:52:15.440And so it's like his riding of the horse. I think that's really important as to another reason why Yggdrasil is this place, this center point of heaven becomes a focal point for the gods to commit their acts of regency over things in the middle, but also what they're doing in the upper.
02:52:40.700Some of the stuff that they're doing there involves, again, learning and growing and encapsulating ideas.
02:53:06.660I think one of the key things about Yggdrasil is that it's deeply rooted in the primordial and the unknown, even to the point where the death of a Asa on the tree allows him to infuse his soul into the reaches of where it goes, is kind of what is being played out there.
02:53:28.740is the idea that Odin and Yggdrasil become one
02:53:32.720and the roots so deep and the roots so far
02:54:18.140far extrapolations and i want to comment on that because i don't
02:54:28.700i think we just need to be clear in our heads um
02:54:39.260recognizing commonality in things that you've experienced in things in your life
02:54:46.140in things in history with pieces of our lord is completely and totally legitimate
02:54:53.420appropriate and we all should do that there is a difference between that and
02:55:01.580supposing that that was the intent of the writer of the poetry if that makes sense
02:55:09.820So, for example, Vroomage made a point about, shoot, now it's lost back in the thing, I've got to scroll back, but basically about Yggdrasil and how that's an ash and ask also means ash.
02:55:30.800So maybe Yggdrasil is asked from the earlier stanza, as in the folk soul of our people, that Odin can work through and do stuff.
02:55:42.940That doesn't have to have been the intent of the poet to be a meaningful revelation.
02:55:51.440that certainly it's referred to that Odin rides through the souls of men.
02:55:59.160He rides through our souls, through our dreams.
03:10:33.900And again, I think this is a point of cosmic order.
03:10:39.100I know we're using Romanish words or Latinish words, but I think that that's where we're talking about the laws of everything descending from the upper realm.
03:10:48.240So naturally, everything's going to gravitate towards either being in alignment or opposed to the central axis of the gods.
03:10:55.820so one of the other things that i think is fundamental
03:11:00.700the concept of a debt created by action certainly and also just
03:11:09.100the name should you know not what's going to happen but what is projected
03:16:20.380one gift that's sometimes a curse i suppose
03:16:26.780that i have in some ways been blessed with in my experiences i'll say
03:16:30.700Terry Gophie is, I can see potential in people, and I can see where they might lead, or what,
03:16:46.560sometimes I have a glimpse of a certain amount of greatness in certain people and to see people
03:16:57.520not embrace their destiny when I know the potential is there is tragic. To see people
03:17:06.280that aren't necessarily destined for greatness overcome and make themselves amazing is really
03:17:14.320awesome to see it's very difficult to watch people that you see a tremendous potential in
03:17:24.400and then watch them squander it for a variety of reasons but i think we all see that sometimes to
03:17:33.120one degree or another we see somebody that has that are on a trajectory towards greatness
03:17:39.760that have are just brimming forth with a quality that you know is capable of such amazing things
03:17:48.640but especially in the world we live in in the wolf age we see people get off track on that
03:17:56.260quite a bit and not get to achieve their destiny so again there's a projected path and I've talked
03:18:05.000about this as a fundamental to magic practice for a long time to attract synchronicities to you
03:18:14.980through consistent right action aligns you with weird and aligns you with opportunities towards
03:18:22.800destiny and if your destiny's crap then you want to look for opportunities to nudge that the right
03:18:31.660direction and nudge that to something better if your destiny is amazing then you want to see when
03:18:38.220those opportunities present themselves and capitalize with and that that site the ability
03:18:45.340to see those moments and to seize them is a fundamental in somebody's um magical efficacy of
03:18:54.780their might. So this is something we are, so now we're at, we're on verse 20 and we've got the last
03:19:16.100five as we're going to 25. So really starting to dial in. This is again,
03:19:22.820of the um the alignment between uh cosmic order and natural law and uh the great um
03:19:35.860uh interplay between i think chthonic forces of natural
03:19:41.300instinct versus loftier, more pronounced ideas above, you know, the needs and desires of just
03:19:53.920the individual or the heart or the emotional self. In stanza 21,
03:20:01.600uh the the war i remember the first in the world when the gods with spears had smitten gold they0.96
03:20:15.800gold lust or gold thurster and in the hall of whore had burned her whore of course being a0.72
03:20:25.820or Haur, is how it's, it says H-O-R, but it's not, it's Haur in the Old Norse, H-A with a dash over0.96
03:20:35.000it, R-S, Haur, the high one, Odin's Hall, three times burned, three times born, often again,0.56
03:20:46.680yet ever she lives. So this is where we start to, again, in the Gilfaginning,0.64
03:20:53.740There's more of elaboration on this, but this is the point in which Golvay comes from the middle world up into the heavens.
03:21:07.240and here she brings with her i i think the intent is absolutely to see if how the might of the gods
03:21:16.700is and to not face the might of the gods in in uh war or in testament of strength she's bringing
03:21:26.960something else there's a cunning sense and again i think that interplays with an idea of chthonic
03:21:32.600powers is that they have a tendency to work subtly and they don't work with will and they
03:21:38.260don't work with might and they don't work. They work more through, again, a passiveness. And this
03:21:45.620can apply in a lot of things. This could be the interplay between masculine manifestation and
03:21:51.180feminine, I guess, manifestation, but through perhaps passive means. But there's also an
03:22:00.180interplay between natural law and cosmic order. Natural law is cyclical. It's a wave. It's an up
03:22:06.580and a down. There's cycles and circles. Cosmic order I always kind of associated with either
03:22:12.400being more like a pillar or like an arch. And the idea of the eternal either holding its position
03:22:18.820or arcing over the waves of time. And so that's really what is kind of coming into the interplay
03:22:27.180here. And of course, they're making clear, you know, points of interest, especially with the
03:22:34.540being thrice born of the fire, burned, pierced by the spears, because if anyone's familiar with
03:22:41.560the story, and that's another thing worth noting, is the Volospow is referencing other poems
03:22:48.540constantly. I don't know. I mean, obviously, we've said this a couple times, but I guess it's to make
03:22:53.600it clear. And so it is a condensed version with leanings towards and was referred to often in
03:23:01.720like the Guildfaginning where they would say a stanza from another poem. And this really did
03:23:09.420create an interplay or a network of poetry that allowed poets to kind of pull from other things
03:23:18.320or in essence kind of forced them to learn more than just the one one thing because they were all
03:23:24.960kind of intertwined and and could didn't really stand on their own um but uh here we have um
03:23:35.920as she you know she comes into the halls of the god she comes into the hall of
03:23:39.680of uh howard the high one um you know she's branded on spears she's she's uh
03:23:50.960thrown into the fire and she's born anew she becomes she goes through this process
03:23:57.280and then she is known by her her heighty then is is uh he the the shining one um
03:24:04.240And here's it's truly interesting. I love this. This verse is heath. They named her who sought their home, the wide seeing which in magic wise minds she bewitched that were moved by her magic to evil women, a joy she was.
03:24:27.920so one of the things that's really interesting is they call her heave and um again the process
03:24:37.560of the of the burning but it's worth knowing too that like um the uh the volu or the she's a volva
03:24:47.920is well, she is well-versed and wide-seeing of many things. She's wise, or vithihon ganda,
03:24:59.100ganda is magic. It's like, it's, it's, yeah, that understanding. She is
03:25:07.020a friend of those who are of the mind of like ill or towards what i think is really being
03:25:19.060portrayed here is the difference between creating willful manifestation and deed to people who seek
03:25:25.780to kind of hedge things in their favor and that is um again i think uh very very allegoric to
03:25:33.880Golvey and process of greed, the idea of the, the bending and shaping towards your fortune or
03:25:41.380your favor in your way. And I think again, to, to contextualize, um, uh, like her two evil women,
03:25:57.780um it's mentioned in the in the old norse uh translation as and so it's again that's not
03:26:12.860the uh because hon is is is women but uh like she bewitches or turns people's minds towards things
03:26:24.260they they seek to gain and again through perhaps deception or turning fate to hedge fortune towards
03:26:32.920you without manifesting i think is um what is ultimately being said but it's going through the
03:26:39.960mode of witchcraft and and women doing things in this kind of more mystical or what we often
03:26:47.280joke around and say is like the the uh you know the the hoodoo or the women the women's
03:36:15.140And again, that was part of the tempo, if you will, the music of the poem.
03:36:25.380And so a lot of times you will see, like, then the gods sought their assembly seats, then sought the gods their assembly seats, or, you know, at Nipah's cave, Garmer sits at Nipah's cave.
03:36:39.560There's this repetitive sense. And again, I think that it's worth for the readers to know that it's greatly about setting a tone.
03:36:51.400It doesn't always translate out in the Old Norse, but the idea of it repeating itself in order to gain that semblance of tempo is important.
03:37:02.080And, you know, it says, you know, then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones and council held to find who with venom the air had filled or or had given Freya to the giants.
03:37:18.800And so there is a lot of arguments around the idea that there may have been something lost or there might have been a line that didn't quite translate here very well in relation to a story of Freyja being taken by the Jotnar as opposed to being threatened to be taken.
03:37:46.480and that there might be, I'm not saying a mistranslation,
03:37:54.220but a contexting that's kind of wrong or out of place here.
03:37:58.720Either there's a story that perhaps did exist in which Freyja was taken by Jotnar,
03:38:06.000but we do have, of course, the story of Idun or Iduna being taken.
03:38:11.700But in this case, Oath's bride is very specific towards the relation of Freyja.
03:38:17.540And we know in the Gilfaginning that one of the key components of the unification of the gods is that Njordr and his children, the lord and the lady, come with him to the gods.0.95
03:38:33.580And there comes in the peril of the Yotnar trying to, again, remove the linchpin of natural law in order to disrupt and change things.0.88
03:38:45.480And this one, as far as context, is always – I'm still chewing this one up, if you will, in relation to perhaps they're referring to, again, the wall.0.95
03:39:04.140And one of the prices that the Jotunar, who is not known as a Jotun yet, is he asks for the spark or the sun and the spark of Muspelheim and the moon and Freyja.
03:39:25.180And so, you know, this part here is to find with, I guess, I don't know, it's intent or malice, if you will, I guess would be another good version of this, to find with malice the one that stole Freya.
03:39:52.360But to what story that might be alluding to is still kind of up to debate.
03:40:01.300And I hate to end it on that one being, you know, again, but stanza 26, which we'll go into next time, is making, again, reference to the rebuilding of heaven,
03:40:18.400rebuilding the walls, rebuilding the heavenly might after the war and this peace that is made.
03:40:26.980But it doesn't go into great detail because clearly she's, the Vola is stating her knowledge,
03:40:35.260letting Lord Odin know that she has seen all things or has seen how things have come to pass.
03:40:42.820So she's still in the state of establishing her power and lore.
03:40:47.540And ultimately, what this is, is allowing the poet to go through and quickly kind of reference other parts of the stories as they go.
03:58:53.400i think that you see um emphasis put on distinction when you have um
03:59:09.480when you have diversity present if you're in europe amongst all the other white people
03:59:15.960you don't need a name for your race of people because your people are just people because
03:59:20.200that's people and the people are everywhere if you have invaded a territory to where your people
03:59:26.440are clearly different than the inhabitants of the area that you are in then you need to be able to
03:59:32.360say us and them um you know it's like the greeks were able to say you know greek and barbarian
03:59:39.320because they picked a point of distinction racial stock when they went into asia and discovered
03:59:45.160dravidian people who were very different than them we're this people these are those people
03:59:51.960and the reason of using that term arian is is a self-identifier of we are the noble people
03:59:59.720and that's why it's important and i continue to use it it's just like the term also true
04:00:06.840our people never called themselves also true in the most ancient time because of course they
04:00:11.640They called themselves whatever group of people they were, and the religion was inherent to our folk.
04:00:17.920You didn't have to make the distinction.0.54
04:00:20.340The distinction comes when other people that look like you have some kind of different religion, so we need to call it something different.
04:00:29.680and at that point there's the choice of what other people called us pagan or heathen and what we call
04:00:39.420ourselves also true loyal to the iser well there's those people you know what do they call us what
04:00:47.020we're going to call ourselves arian we are the noble people and that there wasn't the need for
04:00:54.920that in most of europe when there there was no there was no diversity to compare it to
04:01:05.720so the names became you know smaller nation groups which are understood to be divisions of that bigger
04:01:12.840racial classification there and that was just understood it wasn't insulting or racist or
04:01:18.440offensive or anything else until that became a political necessity in the 1940s um but that you
04:01:26.920know science doesn't change from 1937 to 1945 but words that are okay to use certainly do um
04:01:38.040yeah i think that when people talk about how it was linked to it it was suddenly linked to the
04:01:50.260word era by the germans for honor no it wasn't suddenly linked it was just that the the etymology
04:01:58.280of those words can be seen it's just their usages were different and like what you said
04:02:02.800the the uh area of ancient persia in relation to the people that they lived near and the araya
04:02:11.120in relation to the people that they lived near made heavier weight distinctions than in europe
04:02:18.000where it was more or less a kind of layering of this westward expansion and and these people were
04:02:25.920kind of the same and you see that politically playing out even now they they try to paint the
04:02:30.400the Yamnaya or the Kurgans as these evil, patriarchal, you know, wagon-driving evil
04:02:38.680people that just dominated and genocided these, like, I don't know, peace-loving Stone Age,0.99
04:02:45.840Bronze Age, macrame, kumbaya, patriarchal group. And that's not true at all. And we're starting
04:02:51.440to find that out, especially with genetics, that there was a lot of integration, that there was
04:02:56.440kind of like one culture kind of superseding the other but not in some sort of uh violent way but
04:03:03.800more in an integrational way in which clearly the uh the more um advanced and warlike or
04:03:10.620technologically advanced brought in and utilized but didn't need the necessity of making a huge
04:03:18.100distinction of ethnic usage but more of class usage and thus aristocracy you know became that
04:03:27.300that usage or uh honorable in relation to those who commit themselves to fight and battle and
04:03:35.060those were the the upper born that were supposed to you know they themselves or their children
04:03:41.300were given over to in defense of the territory um so bernicus uh asked what's up with the drama
04:03:49.780around stephen mcnally i saw a video talking about how he was pro-raceman and anti-fold
04:03:57.620um the notation i think from nick is that this is in reference to some vard video um
04:04:04.740um so a couple of a couple of things varg
04:04:19.860yeah truth is one of our core values varg is a lunatic and he's got a lot of really dumb ideas
04:04:25.540and he's got he's made an identity out of like extreme spurging on stuff
04:04:34.740I don't find a lot of credence in much of anything that I've read or heard from Varg,
04:04:41.180and he certainly has no real point of overlapping or understanding Steve McNallan.
04:04:50.700Yeah, Steve is a personal friend of mine, and I'm not going to lie to you guys.
04:04:56.340Maybe if this was truth or something, maybe it's just the time to shut up and move to a different question,0.96
04:05:01.600But because I know for a fact the answer, like, no, Steve's absolutely opposed to race mixing, and he's super pro-folk.0.87
04:05:11.880Steve, being pro-folk is why we are all here having this conversation tonight for the last, you know, what, four hours now.0.75
04:05:22.280The idea that he's not is just really, really silly.
04:05:25.740um like i want to say it's offensive but it's just it's just dumb and it doesn't make any sense
04:05:33.620steve has been the force in folkish ausitru since the dawn of modern ausitru since he
04:05:43.980um had his awakening to the all-father in 1968 since his founding of the viking brotherhood in
04:05:52.3201972, up to including, you know, a couple weeks ago when I saw, shoot, when I talked
04:05:59.820to him on the phone a week ago, no, he's always been extremely pro-folk, and he doesn't
04:06:07.160support race mixing as supposedly Varg thinks.
04:06:15.280But Bart thinks a lot of things. And most of them, I think most of them are stuff he just comes up with in his own head or his wife tells him about placentas and such.
04:06:28.980well and i i think one of the key points too when i when i talked to founder mcnalen was
04:06:35.740his uh great opposition for the dissipate dissipation of any ethnos the idea that um
04:06:43.920in when we have like ethnicity the dissipation of ethnicity has a an effect on the soul he's
04:06:53.160talked about that not just in relation to the folk which he clearly has staunchly stood towards but
04:07:00.920he's he's mentioned it towards other people as well as the dissipation of ethnicity also dissipates
04:07:07.080their connection to the divine as a people and that that has merit and value and that a lot of
04:07:13.760people who kind of see things as universal or just simply individualistic are completely that's
04:07:20.100completely lost yeah and i think i'm really curious of what the context is or what you know
04:07:27.200partial statement it's like built around or what like that's just that's just wrong and there's so
04:07:40.320much nonsense but one thing that's a very toxic trait of our people in this day and age and people
04:07:48.740that share a lot of commonality with us is this obsession with trying to root out
04:07:55.340some nugget of something that we can have schism over or that we can denounce anybody who's done
04:08:04.260anything good about it's like there's a race to tear down anybody who has and i think this is
04:08:11.400a part of the the crab in the bucket syndrome that we all know about every time somebody
04:08:19.680steps in front of the pack and does something or reaches out for something great
04:08:25.040there is a race to see who can try to defame them or tear them down or uncover some secret
04:08:33.280thing that delegitimizes them so we can all sink back into shared miserable mediocrity
04:08:41.400And that is an inherent part of the virus that I think we're all infected with in this day and age.
04:08:53.120And infected with by the same people that have tried to pretend that Aryan isn't a word for our people.
04:09:00.920That tendency is something that I think we need to consciously try to veer away from.
04:09:07.980not just try to make sure we're not doing it but like are we doing that here okay let's go the
04:09:16.180other way anytime it's close because there's this this desire to tear each other down and
04:09:22.780it's more destructive than any other group of people that don't look like us it's certainly
04:09:29.660seen that and do more damage to us than any of the people we may like to talk about or or
04:09:35.920place is the root of some of our problems vargs varg silly and i don't think vargs in touch with
04:10:00.700reality very well um yeah yeah i i think founder um now one's interesting introspection clearly he
04:10:13.660had uh his own stance and then to hear um other voices from other peoples saying very much the
04:10:22.460same thing when he spoke about his travels in africa when he spoke about um uh i forgot the
04:10:27.920native um gentleman who wrote uh god is red and he talked about the dissipation of ethno faith
04:10:35.900amongst the natives by universalism and christianity there that was like finding
04:10:40.900commonality that there was other people in other ethno groups talking about the same thing uh and
04:10:47.500that you know ours is our unique story but they also have their unique desire to not dissipate
04:10:53.080their ethno-religious culture. And I think that was really important to hear. It inspired me to
04:10:59.780kind of go and look down those routes of commonality. And that's where we get into like,
04:11:05.260are you guys pro this and anti that? And then when you talk about universalism versus
04:11:11.980folkishness as a broad term, say in every ethnicity, the difference between universalist
04:11:20.220thought and ethno thought and how that's that has merit and value not just an obviously it's
04:11:28.200important to us in our branch and in our lane but also in other lanes it's become a situation
04:11:35.760um I don't know I don't know anything about the VARG video with him saying or stating
04:11:41.360and it's not wrong I appreciate people coming on here asking us about various other people's
04:11:47.600channels, I really just got to say, I don't, I don't listen to other people in this sphere's
04:11:55.560YouTube channels. Um, it's just not, not something I do with, with the time that I have,
04:12:02.940it's doing other things. And I don't necessarily think that Varg's somebody that I would listen to
04:12:10.100otherwise um i appreciate the questions i feel bad that we don't have more to offer on them
04:12:18.180because they do come up quite often and i know some folks that listen to this do listen to
04:12:22.940to varg stuff or uh survive the jive stuff or various other peoples um the next question what
04:12:31.120do you think of the myths around dragons um you know i talked a little bit about dragon stuff when
04:12:37.440we were going through Beowulfs. Fawn, what are your thoughts about the myths surrounding dragons?
04:12:43.900Well, I know that we talk about perhaps, like, again, when people bring up the subject of
04:12:52.960dragons, the universal part of it is that every culture has, you know, this connection to perhaps
04:13:00.020a a serpent um a winged serpent a non-winged serpent a completely legless serpent but the
04:13:07.380idea of the of the serpent uh perhaps even the fire breathing or or consumptive with teeth in
04:13:14.340a large mall and so i don't really take too much stock in the universe universal aspect not because
04:13:22.500of like the subject we're just like i'm against it's just because the word universal is that when
04:13:27.300you look at some of the very distinct differences and again i think people are focusing on the
04:13:33.460commonalities and not the differences you begin to see not only is there a difference in the way
04:13:38.980that they're structured but also the way that they present themselves in stories and the way
04:13:44.020that they are utilized as um you know cruxes and we see that with lots of um you know i guess mythic
04:13:53.060beings and animals or what have you um i don't want to say animals but mythic uh beasts or
04:14:00.780chthonic powers some people view them as lucky some people view them as um you know avatars of
04:14:07.240their gods others view them as hoarders of knowledge and keepers of treasures and and um0.98
04:14:12.620are clearly hurdles to be just like destroyed like breaking out of the chthonic and the greed
04:14:19.300or the desperation or all the things that a dragon might represent
04:14:23.860in like Aryan culture versus, say, Asiatic culture
04:14:29.180or Native American and Mesoamerica in specifics that I'm talking about
04:14:35.900is they all have very distinct differences about the way they view the dragon
04:14:43.420um the commonality of it though is interesting and intriguing but then there's so many differences
04:14:51.100that I I wonder if it's it's the same as um a bird the understanding of of a winged bird and
04:14:58.540its value uh the value of birds in European culture versus the value of birds in Mesoamerica
04:15:05.140versus the value of birds in um Asian or Eastern Asian cultures also have distinct differences
04:15:12.880um even though they all have wings they all have feathers they all have talons or or beaks um so
04:15:19.860that's kind of one thing that keeps me grounded in the idea that uh the distinctions are far more
04:15:26.240weighted than the commonalities you know i and i've talked about this before i'm not going to
04:15:31.920talk too much on it tonight um because i'm hungry and sleepy but i'm going to put this out there uh
04:15:40.700I do think that spawns on to something. I think that there is something inherent in folks on earth that the dragon is a thing in lots of different cultures.
04:15:55.440But just like anything that has become symbolic, it has a different meaning due to different racial and cultural lenses.
04:16:03.040I will say this, dragons in our faith, in our ancestry, are almost always forces of constriction, of greed, and of holding things back, of keeping treasure and not spending any and hoarding it up, and are something to be overcome.
04:16:27.360there's something that perhaps someone metastasizes into through becoming obsessed
04:16:34.540and becoming greedy and becoming a monstrous version of themselves and it's something monstrous
04:16:41.680that needs to be very often overcome I think that when you get into Celtic tradition it becomes a
04:16:49.940little bit different when you see dragons in England and in Wales. I think there's
04:16:55.760a little bit different relation to dragons there. But generally, they're forces of greed
04:17:05.300that need to be overcome, and the constriction needs to be broken so that good things can
04:17:14.560be released from it. Next question. Midgard itself was built from Ymir. I've heard that
04:17:23.840Ymir means yell or scream. Could this be a reference to reshaping sounds into matter?
04:17:30.780Just curious. Svan, do you have thoughts on that? Yeah, I talked about that a bit in other VNSs,
04:17:40.280And I know there's a lot and there's hours of stuff, but yeah, Ymir, the roarer, again, the point of sound, even down to what I would say each of the tripartite in creation in the gap are all in kind of correlation to sound.
04:18:03.520And Adumla and the Proto-Ur and the Yggdrasil, the stasis of sound or stratification of sound.
04:18:14.300And a lot of people might be like, well, how does Yggdrasil even correlate to sound?
04:18:18.840But Adumla is, you know, again, the dynamicism of sound, the creation.
04:18:26.500Ymir is the catalystic form of sound, the breaking, the severing and reshaping.0.59
04:18:36.540And I think that Yggdrasil is the stasis.0.99
04:18:38.780And that really comes into when Odin hangs from Yggdrasil, he goes in a part of it all.
04:18:47.000And what he sees is the foundational structure of everything, which is, again, sound.
04:18:53.780And I think that sound really came about when all things were aligned, when all that was left was Yggdrasil, Ymir was changed, Abumla was changed, and what's left is the runes, if you will, the proto-sounds, or the sounds of creation, or the sounds of all things made.
04:19:14.320so even Yggdrasil is in correlation to sound through the runes and Odin's travel and I think
04:19:23.540that that needed to be prevalent after the destruction of Ymir and the shaping of sound
04:19:30.460his part in catalysm Adumla in dynamicism and Yggdrasil in stasis and I bring that up a lot
04:19:38.620about how the triplicate or tripartite
04:19:41.800has always kind of functioned in those three ways.
04:25:06.040Ymir, relating to the idea of sound reshaping matter, as far as a science or a construction technique or something that way, don't have strong opinions on.
04:25:25.620But the idea of sound bringing into existence and having magical efficacy, absolutely.
04:25:37.500We've talked about it on here endless amounts of time.
04:25:42.500The idea of galder, of incantation, of chanting things into existence is a very real thing.
04:25:51.960When you connect it specifically with matter, I think that's questionable, but vibration certainly affects matter in some way.
04:26:38.520Certainly, that was a powerful symbol of our folk that was around at the time of the Aryan migrations, and that explains why it's in a lot of places.
04:26:50.340it's also in a bunch of other places that those migrations didn't come anywhere near or touch
04:26:57.480it's fun to speculate about that commonality spreading out and you're at an earlier point in
04:27:08.400prehistoric times I think that's fascinating like you see it come up in the Americas you
04:27:16.700see it in japan you see it in lots of different places in different different versions it also is
04:27:25.580worth considering that it's a pretty simple connection of lines that i think a lot of people
04:27:33.260would come to um so we can't discount that it it just works well geometrically and i think that
04:27:41.340people would stumble upon that often but yeah i think that it's fascinating and when you get back
04:27:50.500in the mists of pre prehistory and pre-written history and pre-ice age history you start
04:27:57.620running into all kind of really fascinating things and seeing that same holy symbol pop up
04:28:04.320in similar context or in similar usage is really, really enticing. Svan, what do you have to say on
04:28:14.520that? Yeah, I was going to say it's kind of like the dragon, the idea of the lines and the drawings
04:28:23.200are very similar, but some of them have great distinctions, great differences, but it's utilized
04:28:29.340in lots of different ways with different meanings. Sometimes it means good luck and other times it
04:28:34.140means power, or sometimes it means, you know, again, centralizing all forces into a calming
04:28:41.980sense, depending on where you're, you know, coming from with a lot of this. It's just, yeah,
04:28:48.500it's interesting, but I think the distinctions do outweigh a lot more of the commonalities.
04:28:55.360And when you have, you know, geometric shapes, you find a lot of the geometric shapes do have
04:29:02.520overlap as far as coming to the conclusion of these images uh just as simple as the circle
04:29:08.840and the triangle um or overlapping uh certain images together you know i think it's it is
04:29:17.160within us to happen upon imagery in separate lanes if you will with distinct meanings but
04:29:26.200but they look the same. Um, and so I don't know. I mean, as far as perhaps in the area sphere,
04:29:33.940uh, certainly that spreading of the symbol, um, and it's, again, it's value and it's meaning,
04:29:39.740just like the language has its, its point, but it's not the only geometric symbol that
04:29:46.040you can kind of see throughout. And then, um, I was really kind of alluded to the really
04:29:52.900interesting idea of perhaps pre-ice age or even pre-historical understandings of
04:30:00.340humans and and their uh movings about and symbology that's that's an interesting thing
04:30:06.660but again prehistory means there's not a lot to go on for us to evaluate so this one's enticing
04:30:15.620from super honky just jumping in i saw some videos the other day on the internet about exorcism
04:30:25.060was wondering what's the thought on that and also true are demons real also how do i donate
04:30:33.140i'll send a few bucks well first thank you for that um if you want to send a few bucks
04:30:39.300uh nick can throw up the link if you're listening to this later or however you're listening to it
04:30:46.900uh at runestone.org if you click the donate link it'll give you a lot of options on how
04:30:52.660to send in donations and we do really appreciate that um i'll let's fawn take a swing at this first
04:31:02.020but i i have thoughts on this and i think it's interesting it's fun uh how does what are
04:31:07.780Are the thoughts on exorcism as relates to Ausatru, and are demons real?
04:31:16.160Okay, one of the things I would like to key in on is the functioning aspect of the entity demon versus the word demon.
04:31:28.100The word demon is a Greek word, and it means less than a divine being, less than a god.
04:31:36.340And in application before Christianity, demon was applied to anything that was semi-divine.
04:31:43.520Even Hercules was referred to as a daemon.
04:31:47.080But the usage and the technicality of the beings is really that this is a Greek word applied to a Semitic word, a shadim.
04:31:58.800And Shadim share a lot of functionality with an Arab word, which is like the word Dijin.0.86
04:32:07.900So Shadim and Dijin are kind of these evil malevolent spirits that live in the land or in accursed places.0.99
04:32:15.600They're always associated with desolate places and places away from either the divine or civilization or sometimes both.0.99
04:32:23.620and I think that the correlation for us linguistically would be troll or uh again I
04:32:32.360mentioned thirst a lot of times thirst is correlated to a primal entity outside of civilization
04:32:39.520but troll has a tendency to to fit very well but now you know of course in the west troll is like
04:32:46.380oh you mean like the little fuzzy thing with the belly button rhinestone or something it's it's
04:32:52.340lost a lot of its weight and value in our language um but when we're talking about functionality
04:32:57.780again entities that live in with malevolence in the desire to dissipate humans their civilization
04:33:08.900or uh you know an affront to the divine creation of uh people giving been given gifts by the gods
04:33:19.300um that functionality then has an app you know it applies across the board in relation to trolls
04:33:27.620uh i think though it's worth noting that um amongst semitic cultures the shadim
04:33:32.500the djinn they can not only possess people they can possess objects and um again the idea of of
04:33:41.540malicious spirits being connected to items and things, which has weight and value in our own
04:33:49.380culture. The words for it are a little bit more at a loss for me than that. But as far as
04:33:56.880the idea of possession, that's really interesting because the caveat of
04:34:05.300um many middle eastern religions about um maintaining like this kind of purity before
04:34:14.820you die or attaining this purity before you die and everything's kind of built towards
04:34:19.540the death and then having some entity be able to jump in and kind of somehow make you worse or
04:34:26.400you know you're already kind of painted with sin and that's but then it's like you know
04:34:30.940to even more so emphasize that, um, is a heavy component in their religion,
04:34:38.080just like, uh, a Messiah or a Malak, which is a messenger of Yahweh. Uh, you know, and then of
04:34:45.700course they took Angelos from the Greeks as well. Um, the one thing I would say is worth noting0.92
04:34:51.940is that when we talk about spirits and things like, actually, vargs, the first thing that I
04:35:01.160think of when we think of a malicious spirit that's out on the edges of society, you think0.99
04:35:05.840of a varg, a varger. And a varger could be applied to a physical outlaw, or it could be applied to0.99
04:35:12.140a spirit or a thing that is out there that's consumptive. I think the Anglo-Saxon word
04:35:18.560warg might also fit very well for what would constitute the effectiveness or the dynamic of
04:35:26.540a demon or a Shadim or the djinn. So do they kind of exist in our sphere? Yes, I think they do.
04:35:35.880But as far as possession and things like that go, it's such a huge caveat in the religious
04:35:41.840component of Middle Eastern or Judaic or Semitic religions, that demons oftentimes
04:35:50.060are introduced into the narrative in order to reemphasize, again, that caveat of your soul.
04:35:59.640And that has a lot more of a pronounced weight in Semitic religions than I think it does in any
04:36:05.260other religion you you um your your soul is at risk of being you know snatched up and poisoned0.61
04:36:14.700even further and and all all of these things and we in our history have talked about like
04:36:20.860again souls of people kind of being consumed by hunger and malice and a rejection to civilization
04:36:29.740a rejection to order, a rejection to law. And we would see that as just as detrimental as perhaps
04:36:35.980say, you know, the value and purity of your individual soul for the afterlife. So you can
04:36:43.220see how their functions are a little different. But I mean, we have, you know, whether it's spirits
04:36:49.560or vector or ghosts or things that, you know, inhabit places that need to be taken out of.
04:36:57.900I know, for instance, the word warlocker is where we get the word warlock from, has connotations to being able to bind ill spirits with spells or gulder and words of power.
04:37:13.720So we definitely have a lot more in relation to places being inhabited by ill spirits, but not necessarily individual souls.
04:37:22.100So I don't know if it would have much merit in the specifically in the realm of possession of people.
04:37:27.900So, again, it's important to take a step back.
04:37:37.160And, cool, if we were to make up a religion, would we make up that we have demons in our religion?
04:37:48.260One thing that is true, there's malevolent forces that exist that do bad things to people.
04:37:59.740There are forces of chaos that exist on the fringes of sanity, on the fringes of society, on the fringes of well-adjusted, good health outside of healthy environments that are malicious.
04:38:18.260we experience those in different ways.
04:38:24.680I don't think that we conceive of those negative spirits
04:38:29.780trying to constantly find a way to break in and mess with our soul
04:38:34.960because a lot of that's interpretation and overlay.
04:38:40.700We don't see it as a battle for that in that sense.
04:38:48.260Because the piece of your soul that is you isn't what they occupy.
04:38:53.000They would occupy your lick during time, your lick while you're, I guess, around.
04:39:01.120But they wouldn't occupy the other pieces of your soul component that kind of identify you.
04:39:06.660And we believe our gods and ancestors can sort those things out a little bit.
04:39:10.580There are certainly malevolent witches or troll wives or trolls or forces out there wanting to do bad things to you, perhaps the spirit of dead people that are crappy but powerful that want to do bad things to you.
04:39:32.520There's that sort of thing. We don't see it in a possession sense to the same degree.
04:39:41.300but yeah we see bad stuff and whereas i don't know of any gothar who have been called upon to0.97
04:39:49.780perform an exorcism there are plenty who have been called upon to sanctify a location or to
04:39:58.820cast out bad things from a location from an object from a place against fawn talked about
04:40:06.260place being significant what i would say is as a general truth of existence
04:40:15.940when you open yourself up and look into the abyss stuff looks back that's a thing
04:40:24.020if you go delving in areas you shouldn't and you open yourself up to a mediumistic practice
04:40:30.420I think there's the ability for things on the other side of the veil to utilize that conduit
04:40:40.300that you've provided them. I think that if you are good at what you do and you are the kind of
04:40:47.380person that has any business doing that, then you are channeling, you know, in a big sense,
04:40:57.200that's what the vulva would do that we talk about tonight or the the spalcona or the the safe kona
04:41:04.960which is in our tradition would do practices to where entities would speak through them i think
04:41:12.720that mediumistic things to where perhaps departed ancestors could speak through a medium in some way
04:41:23.760um i think when you open that up if you don't have any business doing it you don't know what
04:41:30.000you're doing you're dabbling unsafely in places then negative things could also
04:41:39.120take root in a mediumistic way but i think that's super rare and i don't think we have the
04:41:45.280The whole battle for souls to where we don't have all the stuff that you have in the very expanded Christian conception of demonology to the degree that they have.
04:42:02.300but yeah there's bad hoodoo out there and there's bad forces that want to do bad stuff
04:42:07.420to good people and you see that just as there's people that would like to take advantage of you
04:42:14.300and do bad things to you and the world around you there's also forces beyond the veil that
04:42:19.340would like to do bad things too are we don't conceive of ourself in the same victim at the whim