Asatru Folk Assembly - 1⧸3⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 78 - Völuspá, Part 1

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00:03:30.000 Hello, everyone.

00:03:59.740 And welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:04:05.660 This is our first Victory Never Sleeps of 2024.

00:04:10.720 Excited to hit the ground running.

00:04:13.700 And one of the things we wanted to start with was something kind of by request

00:04:18.320 and following up the tremendous success we had with going through Beowulf with Brandy.

00:04:26.700 I wanted to have Svahn on to go through piece by piece the text of the etic poem, The Velozbal.

00:04:41.100 It is, I think it is probably one of, if not the most, I guess, widely known, most popular maybe, stories in the Etta.

00:04:54.240 I think it fills in a lot of foundational material for our faith that's really important.

00:05:02.020 And it's something that we could have no better person on than Svon to help shine a light on and talk to about with you guys.

00:05:14.420 Before we dive right into it, we've decided to cover it in three parts.

00:05:21.580 so no rush we don't need to get it all done uh this evening we do we're going to have two more

00:05:28.060 episodes and swan's agreed to join us you know straight through for those episodes so

00:05:33.120 that's a special treat for us um we'll go through the text we'll

00:05:39.180 see how we want to do on questions that are directly pertaining to the text and then we'll

00:05:47.700 go ahead. And as always, we will answer all your questions to best of our ability. But during the

00:05:54.280 text part itself, I think we're going to try to keep the questions we answered there to that

00:06:02.100 portion of the text, but we'll see how it best works out. Also, we will interrupt and answer

00:06:07.840 questions if you guys want to attach those questions to some donations, because we always

00:06:12.660 appreciate that so top of the show stuff we are live on entropy youtube twitch odyssey rumble

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00:06:50.740 and uh the more more eyes and ears get get our content um

00:06:56.420 oh because i do this and i think it's it's worth doing some kind of top of the year

00:07:10.740 shop talk state of things check in just because it's good thing to do um

00:07:17.940 nick i don't know if you have it handy but if and when you do if you could put up the adjusted

00:07:23.940 the thermometer for the payoff of New York's off. I'm going to talk to you guys for a second about

00:07:31.120 that. So I did the math and I think we're something like 17 months in to owning New York's

00:07:43.200 off. You can see the amount we've already paid off is in the green. That's a lot. I think it

00:07:48.820 came out to somewhere over 59% of the way paid off.

00:07:54.200 But just to check in with everybody and let everybody know.

00:07:57.140 So New York's Hoff was our fourth Hoff.

00:08:04.480 We dedicated that back in August of 2022.

00:08:12.620 It was our most expensive Hoff to date.

00:08:17.620 it's in florida uh freedom is also in florida and that's one of the reasons that property

00:08:25.540 there is a little bit more than it might be other places but we got an amazing building

00:08:31.460 uh amazing spot it's fortuitous in a lot of ways it is in town of white springs where

00:08:39.060 my wife incidentally went to her very first uh house and true gathering

00:08:47.620 have to math or get her on it but uh in the way back so just so happened that that's the little

00:08:54.420 town that it's in i see that this disregard uh the erroneous numbers we owe um as it looks and

00:09:17.300 again the way i'm looking at it on my screen is in this tiny little window so i gotta like

00:09:21.700 do some old man stuff looks like 99 345 um hard to tell from here but anyways

00:09:31.780 it's under that hundred thousand number we've been doing really well on it we've made amazing

00:09:35.700 progress in a short amount of time um trying to push really hard this year to see what we can

00:09:41.540 accomplish. Everyone is very excited about Frey's Hoff. That's going to be our fifth Hoff. It's the

00:09:49.060 next Hoff we're getting. We're all very excited, trust and believe, but there's some steps we got

00:09:54.700 to do in order to get there. And the first one of those is to go ahead and take care of the debt

00:09:59.060 that we already have incurred for New York's Hoff. So as you can see, we're well on the way.

00:10:04.800 As the year progresses, we appreciate all of your help going through it. We put out a call on some

00:10:10.140 our social media yesterday for help on that and you know in a very short amount of time we've

00:10:17.500 already moved the needle so anything you guys want to do to help we appreciate if anybody is

00:10:23.260 interested in donating nick if you could throw up that donate link also as far as donating on

00:10:28.860 the program the various ways you can do that are in the program description um

00:10:40.140 There you go.

00:10:40.980 And as always, we really appreciate any help

00:10:43.700 you guys can give on that.

00:10:47.000 And we got one more thing

00:10:48.580 and then we can move into the meat and taters

00:10:51.140 of what we're here to talk about this evening.

00:10:54.100 Nick, if you could throw up the thermometer

00:10:57.420 for Sigerheim as well.

00:10:59.040 so the other afa project that we're working hard on is paying off siggerheim now so everybody

00:11:15.280 knows siggerheim and uh the hofs are getting funded kind of com on completely separate tracks

00:11:22.160 so you know we'll continue figuring out siggerheim as time goes but it's not holding back

00:11:28.400 the process of getting phrase off um so completely non uh dependent upon the other hoffs

00:11:36.960 is our sigerheim funding as it is now i can't possibly read those tiny little numbers

00:11:42.480 so hopefully nick or somebody else will tell me what they are but we have um

00:11:50.480 yeah no dice but

00:11:51.920 all right so we were already making good progress on that and keep in mind that's

00:12:08.240 simultaneous to the other projects so we're doing really well and we appreciate you guys donations

00:12:13.120 um just wanted to put that forward so you guys see where we're at what we're doing how we're going

00:12:17.040 um and with that a couple of things tonight we will be

00:12:22.800 for the velospa we'll be doing bellows translation so if you guys are trying to

00:12:30.860 follow on the side or or read along and look at the same

00:12:36.000 things that svan and i are looking at that's the

00:12:39.780 translation translation um we're doing i'm gonna see really

00:12:45.400 quick if i can send nick a link here so that we're all on the same page and anybody who wants to

00:12:57.000 look online if that's easier this will this will get you there

00:13:03.080 and i'll send that over to nick and i'm sure nick will have that up for us

00:13:06.200 while folks are getting that checked out and getting on the page swan can you give people

00:13:18.380 some background on like the historical text that is the vlas bow where we find it any of the

00:13:28.600 history on it um any notes on the original language or just kind of anything folks that

00:13:34.820 may be completely unfamiliar might need to know before we go into the actual text.

00:13:41.080 Yeah. One thing to consider is, let's just start with the name, Valu. Valu is connected. It's the

00:13:51.900 grammar derivative connecting it to speech or to the truth of speech. And so the proper name for

00:14:03.100 a prophetess is actually a valla and that's how she's referred to uh as a valla but the name the

00:14:10.620 title volo volus spow uh is uh the grammatical change of valla is to valu and spow means speech

00:14:21.420 or truth or prophecy is kind of what it's translated to but uh it's yeah it's the uh it's very similar

00:14:30.140 to um in english when we talk about sooth saying and the the meaning of of anglo-saxon the word

00:14:41.300 sooth and its relation to actually telling the truth even though now we we kind of correlate it

00:14:47.220 to um to like uh con artistry that's not where it comes from and so this is the vala's prophecy

00:14:58.400 is one of the best ways to kind of look at this and to understand it. And what's going on is

00:15:04.740 the way it's written, it's first worth noting that, and there isn't much of a

00:15:13.840 kind of contexting. It's more or less that the starting of the poem is about the Thuler

00:15:22.240 who's sitting down who is uh speaking to the folks gathered in the hall and then it shifts

00:15:30.000 over and the context then becomes a raising of the valla from the underworld so lord odin goes

00:15:41.460 into the place farthest away from time and pulls out this being which is not quite a human uh

00:15:50.580 oftentimes she's referred to as a witch or a human. Um, but there's some hints in there that

00:15:56.180 she might not actually be. She may be of some sort of elder blood or Yotnar blood. Um, because

00:16:03.580 she does make mention of that, but she is, she is being risen with a purpose. And that purpose

00:16:10.640 is to figure out hell guard is being bedecked, um, with gold. And there is a feast being

00:16:20.340 prepared so odin is ultimately trying to figure out who is this being prepared for and the

00:16:31.060 the valla she is establishing herself initially by stating that she knows

00:16:39.220 many things great things ancient things and then she switches over to explaining why the uh

00:16:50.340 halls are being bedecked, and ultimately what is to come for the gods in the writ of her doom.

00:16:58.980 It's never really stated how she comes to know this, but that she is somehow a part of that

00:17:07.220 understanding. It's interesting because the context of it is, I think, most important to

00:17:14.700 understand, this conversation is between Lord Odin and the Valla, and it's for a present moment,

00:17:23.360 but she then presents the poem in a past, present, and what will come for the gods, ultimately.

00:17:31.680 There is some other interesting things, and one of the things that you got to bear in mind

00:17:36.320 is that um there is a litany of dwarves and uh the dvergar and that is kind of a

00:17:45.680 a niche part uh oftentimes it's removed from translations and um or it's glossed over or

00:17:54.800 it's simply stated in parentheses this is where the litany of the dwarves comes from

00:17:58.540 there's some interesting things that are said but after that um there's no real information

00:18:06.300 per se. Interesting in some of the name meanings, but I think that the ultimate purpose of the

00:18:15.300 Dwarven litany perhaps is linking to stories that we might have lost, in particular the

00:18:22.340 four hearts that are in heaven that are nibbling from the tree. There's connections to the

00:18:32.140 dwarves there, but we don't have any stories of how those connections are made. But I think

00:18:38.480 it's more important that it was a practice ability for the poet to build his alliteration

00:18:46.340 rhyming. So that's something worth noting. I mean, we're going to look into it a little bit,

00:18:53.300 but not a ton unless people want to. But I wanted to let people know that there might be

00:19:01.840 a large chunk of this that we might

00:19:03.620 kind of hurdle over

00:19:05.380 at least in this first episode

00:19:08.140 so

00:19:09.800 yes

00:19:11.360 Lord Odin is calling forth

00:19:13.960 the Vala and trying to

00:19:15.940 figure out what is going to happen

00:19:17.780 now that

00:19:19.120 Baldr the bold one

00:19:21.180 the greatest of the gods

00:19:23.800 has been slain by his brother

00:19:26.120 ultimately by the hand

00:19:28.140 of his blood brother

00:19:29.440 which makes of course

00:19:31.080 Loki a kinslayer and now he has come down and he's raising her up to figure out what's going on

00:19:41.760 and she's establishing her prowess with history right out the gate all right to get us started on

00:19:52.160 a auspicious note Brandy just donated $20 hail the AFA hail victory I thank you Brandy we

00:20:00.160 appreciate it um any donations we get here tonight are going to go to a good cause and get those

00:20:08.320 things that we talked about earlier furthered so much appreciation for it and spawn with that

00:20:15.760 let's start with uh the first stanza and uh

00:20:21.440 tonight the plan is to go to which stanza 25. all right so for those of you following along

00:20:34.240 go ahead and get yourself ready and we will start with stanza one

00:20:41.840 yeah so this part is

00:20:44.160 is more importantly to be seen as an intro by the poet, by the scold, by the speaker

00:20:53.500 in the hall. And right away, it's kind of a calming of the hall to let everyone know.

00:21:00.760 But there's some interesting things in here. So in the hearing, I ask comes from the pause

00:21:10.220 or to take note, silence is some more of the proper translation.

00:21:18.120 It's, you know, I bid ye silence all these holy beings.

00:21:26.060 Now, in Bellow's translation, he uniquely says from the holy races.

00:21:33.240 And again, that just brings up interesting questions.

00:21:36.220 And a lot of that about translations is where we get, um, some interesting points. Um, and I wanted to kind of, um, play that off of, um, and no reason for people to like scramble for this or, or what have you.

00:21:52.440 but Hollander, the Hollander translations of 1928 are very interesting too, but it's just,

00:22:02.180 I wanted to make note of how translations can change things. Some of them can be extremely

00:22:08.300 far off, and then sometimes they can hit the mark just right. So in Hollander's translations,

00:22:15.120 and it's it's hear me all ye hallowed beings um whereas in uh bellows it's it's silence i ask

00:22:24.640 all from the from the holy races um so i thought that was really interesting uh the use of of the

00:22:30.880 word kinder for races um kinder literally is kind of like a it's not like or it's kindier

00:22:42.160 it's not kinder like in german it means beings or people of the hall so silence i bid all the uh

00:22:49.600 holy beings and the sun the sons of heimdall and um i think this is really worth noting

00:22:57.760 that the the creation of the of the proto um i guess what would be like the breath of

00:23:07.040 Odin in the proto-Aryan, or what would be the proto-folk. But it ultimately comes down to

00:23:16.580 the most recent, in the sense that in Rigstulla, Heimdall comes down by generations or epochs,

00:23:27.780 and those generations breed forth what they often refer to as the slave or slave structure.

00:23:35.580 I've seen a bunch of very strange things. The economic status of Viking Age. But it's worth noting that the people that he visits are clearly associated with time.

00:23:51.400 So this generational sense is important, but in this case, it may be seen as the strata of the jarls to the thralls is kind of how this is being used.

00:24:08.360 From Heimdall's children, both high and low, thou will, Father, that I will relate.

00:24:17.820 So by your grace or by your power, I will relate these old tales of men long ago.

00:24:25.080 And that first stanza is the announcement of the speaker and doesn't necessarily denote

00:24:36.640 the shift. Now, some people have argued that this, you know, the scald continues on or that

00:24:46.060 this is the Valla, but it seems far more flat than everything else that comes to follow.

00:24:56.800 So I've always taken this to be the introduction from the Skald telling everyone. So, you know,

00:25:04.220 silence and I bid, hearing I ask from the holy races, from Heimdall's sons, both high and low,

00:25:10.880 thou wilt thou father that i relate the old tales i remember of men long ago

00:25:16.940 i remember yet the giants of yore this is a stanza two who gave me bread in the days gone by

00:25:27.300 nine worlds i knew the nine in the tree with mighty roots beneath the mold

00:25:35.120 so um mold is an interesting word because again mold is ground or soil um and i would you know

00:25:43.720 the references of using it in relation to soil um but this is where it gets kind of interesting

00:25:52.280 so most people are speculating on the idea that this is now the valla speaking some people say

00:25:58.420 it is not, or that the Vala was always speaking. Um, but the nine worlds, the nine

00:26:06.660 places, domains, um, the homes of things are kind of what's really being, um, portrayed here. And

00:26:18.500 that, that's, you know, uh, I think very important when we talk about cosmology and we talk about

00:26:24.460 the way that Ausatru formulates the worlds as like a circulatory system with the roots being

00:26:32.220 the, uh, the, the, the drawback and, and all of time disseminating from heaven and kind of flowing

00:26:39.160 from the top down. Um, this, uh, this is already kind of being used. So the concept of the nine

00:26:48.380 worlds is not something of like new alice true or perhaps people trying to organize things no this

00:26:55.660 is kind of known already um and that the tree the tree being uh rooted beneath the the ground

00:27:04.780 but it's it's interesting they don't quite state but as we go you'll see um the way that clearly

00:27:12.140 our ancestors saw the tree and where the tree is in relation to things and i think nowadays

00:27:18.540 some people are kind of twisting those around um a note before we continue um mike donated

00:27:28.300 25 we appreciate that mike thank you um yeah one of the one of the cool things about this

00:27:37.900 this poem that's very special is it's really a go-to in a lot of ways for

00:27:46.140 the

00:27:50.860 it's the quickest go-to for the the laying out of our cosmology of

00:27:55.580 getting you very quickly into the mythic realm of understanding those cosmological components

00:28:08.320 that make up Ausitru and that give context to everything else. So I think this one has

00:28:13.760 gone back to very often because it's very important that way. It paints this picture

00:28:21.220 in a way that was very easily accessible to our ancestors, and I think is, of what we

00:28:28.320 have, the most, the easiest for us to access and conceptualize.

00:28:37.700 And it's great because the tangible works of the origination of Ausatru kind of was

00:28:48.520 presented in organizing things kind of in a strata of the worlds. And sometimes I'm sure a lot of

00:28:56.380 people that have been asked for a long time are familiar with the idea of cosmology being kind of

00:29:02.680 placed in a set kind of way. And these are really brought about from the poems, the stories,

00:29:12.120 the placement of things and the words in which things are said are important because they also

00:29:19.320 denote ancient concepts that are present in all Aryan faiths. The upper world, that middle world,

00:29:26.500 the lower world, some of the worlds are kind of intermediary. And then we have like the world of

00:29:33.180 the West and the world of the East. And we're going to get into here just some of the ideas of

00:29:38.840 like how directions are correlated with understanding

00:29:45.160 or meaning, especially in relation to the audience.

00:29:49.600 And it goes, for many of us, it goes without saying,

00:29:54.780 but I think it's important just as we're starting out

00:29:58.900 for everyone to understand the language of poetry

00:30:03.900 The language of poetry and the language of myth is to liken things to things that we're already familiar with and to express things in a way that we can visualize truth, but not intended in a literal way.

00:30:24.780 in the same sense that you know you can't go to the edge of each of these nine worlds and grab

00:30:30.880 the bark of a tree that you somehow you know what kind of tree is it can you take a sapling from it 0.78

00:30:37.540 and as silly as as silly as that sounds up front I have met people who one of 0.82

00:30:45.020 specifically Mandy and I had dinner with a person one time his 0.90

00:30:49.820 his like re-understanding of things is you know he found some really ancient

00:30:59.240 mesas in the desert that kind of look like the trunk of a tree but like super duper giant size

00:31:07.020 i think some of us have seen those things like ah maybe that's the you know maybe something like

00:31:14.740 that is what the you know what yggdrasil was they're looking and it's easy to see that level

00:31:24.500 of literalism as being really silly from a distance and in a way it is but if your context

00:31:32.580 is the abrahamic faiths that are built upon literal translation of of their sacred texts

00:31:41.600 if that's the demand then out of piety to our gods you you flail in your scramble to try to

00:31:50.780 make impossible things possible so the lore can literally be accurate and i appreciate the effort

00:31:59.080 put in on that but that's it's unnecessary and it was never the intention and that's a

00:32:04.280 The need for it to be an exact literal truth from the lips of Odin that this is how things are, that's a foreign concept, and that's not how our lore is.

00:32:17.920 and honestly i think that's a beautiful element of our work because it expresses things in a

00:32:25.840 fundamentally relevant way that is geared intrinsically and genetically to our people

00:32:35.200 and how our people see and understand the world around them with their points of you know their

00:32:42.240 touchstones of commonality and things that make sense to them and of how they conceive things and

00:32:48.400 how they shape things and it paints cosmic and mythic truths in a in a style familiar to to us

00:32:58.000 and to our soul that speaks you know beyond just mental you know analytical comprehension but it

00:33:06.320 speaks on an artistic level that appeals to you know to our folk soul

00:33:15.200 yeah i think um i've seen one other thing that was kind of caught my eye was um and this of

00:33:22.480 course is on uh twitter or x but there was some some guys uh kind of going for the uh not that

00:33:29.200 myths are literal but that lit that the that there is literalism of the myths and so what

00:33:39.700 they ended up saying was like that our disconnection to mythos comes from our inability to conceptualize

00:33:48.740 um i guess the the magical sight of things and and i kind of see where they're going with this

00:33:57.160 but they were like, no, the tree is there. And it's, it, it, it loses a lot of the point. I think

00:34:05.240 like a lot of things that we, when we dissect Aryan faith from all different branches are

00:34:12.680 lost. Like perfect example is, um, the, the, the point and placement of Mount Olympus in the 0.88

00:34:19.800 Hellenics and, and how the mountain itself is utilized as kind of a, an axis mundi. Whereas

00:34:28.780 for the Germanic and the Norse, uh, or let's just say Germanic may have been the erminsul as a kind

00:34:36.160 of posting or central point of the council of the gods around the pole, um, or the central axis of

00:34:43.800 the world uh perhaps even holding up the gods or the heavenly realms and then of course the nordic

00:34:49.900 was the tree so there's a lot of shifting around and people if they take things literally lose a

00:34:57.240 lot of insight towards what it means to even have an axis movie what does it mean that arian faiths

00:35:05.100 have a central point and the interesting thing again is is it in the middle world is it in the

00:35:12.220 upper world it's certainly not in the lower world that's that's pretty clear all across the board

00:35:17.900 um but it's just it makes an interesting point and you lose that if you just simply say

00:35:24.620 uh you know the the myths are uh not literal but that they are that we are literally to believe

00:35:34.820 them to be literal it was kind of an interesting thing it was it was kind of like no this is there

00:35:40.040 are no allegoric meanings the myths are true but beyond the confines of material thought

00:35:51.560 so reading the chat wolf throne no worries we are only on stanza two so we have just finished

00:35:57.720 stanza two you don't have a lot to catch up on a lot of it was just me doing some shop talk about

00:36:04.040 fundraisers and stuff at the top of the year so no worries um oh also i just want to acknowledge

00:36:11.240 a 21 donation from charlie thank you charlie we appreciate you guys i appreciate everybody

00:36:17.560 tonight and everybody who wants to to chip in and help out you guys are great it's y'all's

00:36:22.760 generosity that allows these things to get done um something i think and we'll kind of stop and

00:36:31.480 interject and we'll find our flow as as this goes on and we continue but something else that i think

00:36:38.200 is important to i don't know inject early on when we're talking about

00:36:46.120 the need or lack thereof to force literality or to force um

00:36:55.480 yet to force

00:36:56.440 things that aren't intended because of someone else's model one of the things that many of us

00:37:05.220 learn and that's most appealing to us about also true is it's not you don't have to do the mental

00:37:12.020 gymnastics you're not trying to force a square peg into a round hole

00:37:19.460 also true is literally you sliding a square peg nicely into the square hole that it is built for

00:37:30.860 it fits and it all works and you don't have to twist your head in some there is a fundamental

00:37:39.560 struggle that I think is responsible for a lot of the angst, a lot of the ennui, perhaps,

00:37:50.360 of our folk when we try out of piety, out of wanting to do the right thing to force

00:38:02.720 our folk soul to conform to a foreign model. And it's led to all kinds of metastasism 0.91

00:38:14.860 in behavior, in our souls, in really strange and often very ugly ways, but out of really noble

00:38:26.940 intent of trying to do the right thing. One of the most freeing and most liberating things about

00:38:33.700 Ausatru is you don't have to do that. You're coming home to your gods. You're coming home

00:38:39.720 to something that fits. It's not that hard. And you will find that people try to overcomplicate

00:38:48.700 it and make it hard. Something that is fundamentally true about our mythos, our gods, and our faith

00:38:55.200 it is very very easy to comprehend for our folk but it's layered there's countless layers of

00:39:06.300 depth behind it to where you can delve deeper and evolve and expand spiritually but the fundamental

00:39:13.500 most basic understanding of it is clear as day and it's clear to people that you know don't have

00:39:19.800 be well educated don't have to be well advanced in years just have to be open-hearted open-minded

00:39:29.000 and have a sincere desire to come home to our faith and uh it lays it out it it lays

00:39:36.360 itself before you in a very accessible way but also very beautiful way

00:39:41.080 yeah i wanted to comment on um one of the things is that the these these poems are constructed

00:39:55.160 by icelandic poets who were attempting to make sure that the poetry structure was not going to

00:40:04.440 die as there was more influx of foreign ideals foreign um uh motivations in iceland and i think

00:40:14.760 at the same time it was also a great leaning towards the desire to show the intricacies of

00:40:21.320 poetry and how they compared to other europe european branches um but also they were formulating

00:40:29.800 them in poetic style so these are stories first that become poems and the poems make them

00:40:39.880 cryptic one of the things that's you know the stories and how they formulated uh i imagine too

00:40:48.600 is before they were strictly poetic is that at some point the poetic formulation started to come

00:40:55.560 about long before writing and um they were memorized in this way through a literative sense

00:41:02.200 but they were still uh adaptable and i think that after this this was an attempt to make things

00:41:09.640 solid and um but there was other reasons so this isn't a bible this isn't a like you said

00:41:17.800 there lord othen coming down and and transcribing or speaking the word uh um this singular truth

00:41:24.600 it's not that way these are kind of known as when when i'm reading this it's it's that this is a

00:41:32.280 kind of a culmination of many many years of poetry and before that many many years of

00:41:38.680 storytelling and that makes it so following over in the chat on the side again i know we're

00:41:44.920 spending a long time on the first two here but we're laying some really important foundations

00:41:49.240 I think. Rome age 14 makes the point that the myths are symbolism, but the gods are real.

00:41:56.760 Those two concepts aren't some kind of juxtaposition. They're not in opposition.

00:42:03.560 And we are, again, through foreign influence and through overemphasis on scholasticism, I think that

00:42:13.320 we we have turned the word myth into almost meaning untruth like something oh that's just

00:42:25.320 a myth as in it's not true that's not the case at all i think the myths in a lot of ways are more

00:42:31.560 true than facts because scientific facts change over time and like truth doesn't but scientific

00:42:42.680 facts are one way of expressing truth. And the depth and breadth of those facts do change and

00:42:48.880 evolve over time as our understanding increases. Mythic truth, the myths are true. They were true

00:42:56.560 when they were first realized by our ancestors through inspiration from our gods. They were

00:43:04.720 realized when they were first put into primal utterance, when they were first put to paper.

00:43:10.060 They're equally true today. They will be equally true when we can transmit them telepathically to

00:43:17.640 one another. The myths themselves are true, and this is a beautiful way of painting those myths

00:43:25.020 for our folk. But there's not a contradiction between the word myth and truth. Myths are

00:43:31.320 the greatest truth. The gods are absolutely real. Don't get anything I'm saying wrong. Just because

00:43:36.620 I said you couldn't go out and physically touch the bark of the world tree. No, Yggdrasil absolutely

00:43:46.160 exists. It's just not like a birch tree out in your front yard. That is a way of helping you

00:43:52.800 understand the truth of Yggdrasil. The nine worlds exist. The way they are drawn in the poetry is a

00:44:00.020 way to help you conceptualize what their existence looks like, how to conceive that.

00:44:07.980 But no, everything in our myths is absolutely true. The picture that is drawn to explain the truth

00:44:16.680 is not a literal representation of the reality. It is a tool to help you conceive of the deeper

00:44:23.300 truths that our myths are. And if that sounds odd, just please bear with us. It will make more

00:44:29.660 sense as we go on, hopefully. So we, and I want to go more into that, but I'll go more into it

00:44:41.660 later, maybe in a couple of stanzas, but there was something you said in there too, that's,

00:44:45.660 I think is really interesting, but we can bring that up in just a second.

00:44:51.360 So while we got it, Chris Lucat, $10. Thank you so much, Chris. We appreciate you.

00:44:57.140 Swan, without further ado, can you read stanza three for us?

00:45:03.160 Yeah, of the old age when Ymir lived, sea nor cool waves nor sand there were, earth had not been nor heaven above, but a yawning gap and grass nowhere.

00:45:21.180 yeah this is um this is the starting of an understanding we know that uh in order for a 0.97

00:45:34.040 gap to be there has to be two sides so the idea is that most most belheim and nivelheim

00:45:43.040 are those two edging gaps between but are there the two sides the gap in between is the nothingness

00:45:50.480 the expanding expanse. And in this case, what is most referenced to is how things are coming to

00:46:00.740 being and or spreading apart. And it's really just emphasizing again, in the ages old, where

00:46:09.280 where emir dwelled in the gap um there was nothing there was just the the proto it was emir

00:46:20.960 it was yggdrasil so oftentimes in the stories when i when i tell my stories i talk about

00:46:29.240 yggdrasil and emir in the mist of the middle or the gap of the middle as the the mists from

00:46:38.520 Nivelheim or the water and the torrents of ice and primordial is heated by the heat of cosmic

00:46:47.900 creation or radiation, if we want to go in that interesting perspective, is that that's what

00:46:56.620 creates the matter in the middle. And that matter in the middle formulates into Ymir and Yggdrasil

00:47:06.900 And ultimately, Adumla, and there we have our first tripartite, which is something that I continually bang on there.

00:47:16.520 But yeah, so of the old age, when Imr lived, sea nor cool waves, nor sand there was, earth had not been, nor heaven above, but a yawning gap, and grass nowhere.

00:47:27.700 and then the vala kind of cuts immediately to um the raising of the land the the lifting of the 0.85

00:47:40.460 of the um of the soil of the earth or the the flesh of emir she doesn't go into uh the slaying

00:47:50.020 or of, of, um, the specifics. She just kind of sets it immediately. Bors, or Burr's sons. Um,

00:47:59.940 then Burr's sons lifted, um, the level land in Midgard, the, the mighty, uh, they, there they

00:48:08.740 made the sun from the south. It warmed the stones of the earth. Green was the ground with growing

00:48:14.220 leaks. And this, again, is establishment of all of the slaying of Ymir and all of that which comes 0.93

00:48:28.000 to be, the torrents of the blood, the formulating the stones from teeth. These are covered like in

00:48:35.940 gilfaginning but in this poem it's already known that the the audience would be familiar with these

00:48:45.060 with these concepts so it's being quite matter-of-factly placed out there um and

00:48:56.580 i wanted to say a word on uh ganuga gab for a second

00:48:59.940 there's some uh i don't know scholarly debate on a little bit of the etymology

00:49:08.580 but the prefix of of gin in ginunga gap is often used as a prefix that relates things to the gods

00:49:23.780 or holiness or magical might.

00:49:28.720 And so, yes, it's a yawning void,

00:49:32.140 but it has the implication that it's containing magical essence,

00:49:38.760 containing the magical potentiality for things.

00:49:47.320 And this concept we'll harken back to at different times,

00:49:50.280 But the idea of the primal wellspring of existence and of creation being a source of creative magic, a source of creative holiness that goes into the animation of our universe with might, with magic, and with holiness.

00:50:16.640 uh it's also worth noting just going back to that part um the the yawning or the the great

00:50:26.240 potential of it is separated in the translation the gap that is of like of a yawning potential or

00:50:34.700 or a a sense of something to come or or that which is moving apart and that things are welling up

00:50:43.180 within it um but there's also another part too that and this was from a conversation a long time

00:50:48.120 ago uh the in that nor in heaven above the word heaven most people might think the translation

00:50:55.320 shows um some sense that heaven is like a christian word it is not the nordic word is

00:51:03.620 him or him in me, but in old or in old English, it's, it's he oven. And so they have the same

00:51:13.380 root. The word heaven is a Germanic word, just like the word God, just like the word hell,

00:51:19.140 all of these things. So I remember someone saying, you know, I kind of bristle every time you say

00:51:23.820 heaven, why are you saying heaven? And I was like, because it's, it's our word. I'm, uh, you know,

00:51:28.820 i'm not trying to say like oh we're taking it back it's just that like so many other things uh when

00:51:34.700 we get into the fact that the bible is you know was written and utilized with middle english and

00:51:41.080 and at that time we still have to understand that the poems as they're being translated

00:51:47.640 are they you they're using older english words sometimes they're doing that uh other times

00:51:55.720 they're not but uh you know they're utilizing that in relation so you find the commonality in there

00:52:02.060 um just considering about when those times were how they were speaking or what they were attempting

00:52:07.840 to translate to because there's ideals these uh stories and translations are coming around

00:52:13.340 the late 1800s early 1900s being formulized into English and into German and again Middle English

00:52:20.860 is already an older form and but you can find better translations with certain things like

00:52:27.640 thou and and and thus even though they're not in common usage anymore so i just wanted to bring

00:52:33.260 that up him and him and yeah heaven the upward heaven and again very important in understanding

00:52:39.700 the the ground in which we stand upon and the heaven above us and why this it's so important

00:52:47.380 that these directions are correlated in our stories and in the way in the relation between

00:52:53.640 the way our ancestors saw the gods in relation to themselves and how we see the gods even in this

00:52:59.920 modern day is seeing when we look up when we see the gods we we call to them and ask them to bear

00:53:06.900 witness to our deeds as they gather to counsel in the above so and that that's subtle

00:53:16.020 but I think the orientation inspires us in a lot of ways.

00:53:23.120 There's little subtle things that are themes throughout,

00:53:28.020 but the idea of us looking upwards,

00:53:30.720 gazing up at the heavens towards our gods,

00:53:33.500 towards our future, towards our destiny.

00:53:36.780 Up has a deeply seated understanding in our soul.

00:53:43.640 good things like you level up when you when you get something better you don't level down

00:53:52.340 the idea of upwardness being associated with betterment with good with potential with becoming

00:54:03.880 more that orientation is really important and it was a source of inspiration to our ancestors

00:54:11.300 to our folk in general looking up at at what's good and what's what's best and the you know the

00:54:19.000 understanding of like south and north and what those correlate to our ancestors were seeing

00:54:26.640 things in a plainer sense of where they were standing and what the north represented and

00:54:32.660 the south represented what the east and the west represented to them religiously symbolically

00:54:40.280 mythically or meta-narratively whatever we you know we want to say but we you know the idea was

00:54:46.020 that from where they were standing there was a central point and that central point there was

00:54:52.040 the gods and the gods were upon either uh you know mountainous peaks or a place up above or a place

00:54:59.960 slightly above the clouds because you know when we talk about the the skeins of light of leo self

00:55:06.100 time uh you know they're kind of referenced as being the um the the the plane in between the

00:55:13.620 upper end and where we are and but the the gods are often referred to as being in this mountainous

00:55:20.880 place and it's referred to like numerous times in the idea that it's not just ausgard it's not

00:55:29.020 just like a castle in the sky there is a land around it a place these mountains where heimdall

00:55:35.580 resides where the tree is where the well is where loki you know uh pulls the um uh stallion

00:55:45.100 off distracting when he's when he's making the walls of ausgard you know there's a place outside

00:55:52.520 so the heavenly world was seen as kind of like a an upper world perhaps on a mountainous sense

00:55:58.500 that was surrounded by the tops of the mountains that in the center there was this great land or

00:56:05.180 this great valleys or numerous valleys. And in the center of that was the tree. And the tree's

00:56:12.720 roots go down into that land of heavenly being. And then those roots go to where no one knows,

00:56:20.700 you know, it's not quite known by everyone where those roots go. And that's because they descend

00:56:26.860 down into the realms unseen. And to note, they're not in the earth. They're not in the yard. They're

00:56:35.740 not in Midgarth, but they are in the middle realm. They're just in Jotunheim, in the place

00:56:42.320 of the primordial and where things are kind of being pulled from. So I think that it's worth

00:56:49.900 noting that like our ancestors saw that as like when they thought about the gods, they thought

00:56:54.160 about the gods in this upper place this perhaps on the peaks of mountains what mountains it's not

00:57:00.040 really specified it's not like mount olympus or or something like that it's it it's more or less

00:57:06.540 seen as an undisclosed place in which the you know again the rainbow bridge which is um a shimmering

00:57:14.900 path is not seen as every rainbow but that the shimmering path is likened to a rainbow that

00:57:21.860 extends up into that upper world. And now we see that as these points are, again, symbolic or

00:57:30.060 allegoric to understanding we've always seen the gods as in the place above. Yggdrasil is in the

00:57:37.580 place above. The Norns are in the place above witnessing through the well. So that's something

00:57:45.500 we're going to be seeing and reemphasizing over and over and over again.

00:57:51.860 Or I will at least.

00:57:55.080 Also, I suppose before we hit the stanza five here,

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00:58:41.060 it's equal if you know he mentioned that's the point of faith who is is circulating that wealth

00:58:47.540 and when you do that within your faith community it'd be i've talked about this before i'll talk

00:58:53.860 about it again we talk about cycles but even though things move cyclically things spiral

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01:00:04.820 absolutely or the 10 percent well something else to mention here um on stanza four as i'm looking

01:00:11.700 at it and what we are doing is focusing on points that's fun and i want to jump on that we think

01:00:19.540 are particularly meaningful at the time if you guys have things to add that you have questions

01:00:26.420 about over in the side please ask questions if you'd like um

01:00:30.100 um and then I wanted to uh just kind of mention so that is to say this as I mentioned there's

01:00:40.660 layers we could go over this forever and there would still probably be little pieces here and

01:00:45.460 there and points of connectivity to point out one thing that just kind of stands out before we hit

01:00:49.720 number five though is the point about and green was the ground with growing leaks the idea of

01:00:59.560 leek. Herbally to our ancestors, the leek was a special plant. There was a lot to it. It was

01:01:11.240 associated with healing. It was an auspicious plant, not to mention delicious, and did things

01:01:23.800 that way. But it was associated a lot with healing. And I think Svahn may have a little

01:01:28.380 bit more to add about herb lore when it comes to our ancestors and leak well and and yeah the goths

01:01:36.660 um they called healing arts or medicine as we would use today or medicinal or medical uh was

01:01:44.280 leaks craft and it's it's kind of argued as to whether or not they're referring to leeches but

01:01:50.740 A lot of people speculate that the leeks part is not about the transference of blood or fluids, but medicinal sense.

01:02:02.180 And that in correlation to healing salves, balms, and soups, the leek is the cornerstone of most of the medicinal practices of the Germanic people.

01:02:15.140 But it's also worth noting, too, that the leek is a broad term for, like, garlic was oftentimes just referred to as the spear leek, which is why gar, which means spear, and lick is a leek.

01:02:33.820 It's the spear leek.

01:02:35.240 So just the sense of leeks in and of themselves, the sprouting green vitality.

01:02:41.440 A lot of people think, too, that Lagu is the rune. The symbol of it is a leek rising up and kind of wilting at the end as it sprouts from the ground. And there's heavy connections towards healing in relation to that rune.

01:03:00.980 So, yeah, one of the holy rivers in heaven is called the Leek River or the Sprouting River.

01:03:09.560 Some people translate it as to the Spear River, but it's more likely in reference to garlic or to the sacred plants of medicinal healing.

01:03:19.780 And I think that goes in concert.

01:03:23.920 It's not necessarily specifically garlic, as the word leek has a lot of tendencies towards health, healing, and vitality.

01:03:32.580 So it was natural that they would, you know, choose that as a reference.

01:03:42.160 So next we move into another interesting point that I wanted to bring out,

01:03:47.440 is that I think if you read Alvismal and if you read Volospow and the references that they're

01:03:56.480 talking about in relation to the sun and the moon, if you understand the way our ancestors saw things,

01:04:02.640 these things are slightly less confusing. One of the things that's worth noting is, again,

01:04:08.000 from where we stand, there's this central place where the mountains rise up or, excuse me, above

01:04:14.580 the clouds and there is this land where the gods live in all of their realms and there is the tree

01:04:23.080 and there is the place where they counsel and the sun and the moon correlate to the upper place just

01:04:30.520 as much as the middle and you'll see that a lot more in Alvismal but the idea of what the gods

01:04:37.780 called the sun and the moon and what the, uh, the, the Dvergar or the, the Svartalfar

01:04:46.040 call the sun and the moon. And I think it's worth noting that they saw this as like the

01:04:51.340 upper world, that the sun and the moon was shared just as much as the lower world with

01:04:56.360 all the cycles of things. Um, and so it, it makes a lot more sense if you look at it that

01:05:03.240 way than going like what is there a separate sun and a separate moon or is it are they are they on

01:05:08.720 the planet if you try to like hard line it it's it gets a little confusing but that's because the

01:05:15.680 way our ancestors saw it was this and it's worth noting i i find it really interesting the usage

01:05:21.880 of the word about placing the sun in the right hand casting over heaven's rim this is specifically

01:05:28.340 correlated to northern climates um but so yeah stanza number five the sun the sister of the moon

01:05:35.540 from the south her right hand casts over heaven's rim no knowledge she had where her home should be

01:05:43.100 the moon knew not the might was his the stars knew not where their stations were

01:05:50.380 so one of the interesting things that you know when we talk about sun wise movement

01:05:57.640 um the reference of moving around the earth sun-wise or that the sun is moving around the

01:06:05.440 earth sun-wise on the rim of heaven is something that if you've lived up in the high high north

01:06:10.380 you can absolutely correlate it and and to be honest if you lived in the far far south in new

01:06:16.520 zealand or in um you know south africa or perhaps the outer tips of um you know south america the

01:06:23.860 again the the movement is still the same but from the correlation at the time they were talking

01:06:29.300 about the idea that the the sun's rimming edge especially during mid-summer when the sun never

01:06:37.780 sets just rotates around i think that's a really hard concept for people who've never been up there

01:06:45.460 to get that there's a time in the year in which the sun never sets and and we are always kind of

01:06:54.500 in a ring of that light going around as we you know as the earth rotates and so for our ancestors

01:07:03.540 the seeing of the sun is as being allocated to to holding the edge or the rim of heaven

01:07:10.180 is about that transference around the horizon and what this stanza really is talking about is that

01:07:19.400 again kind of glancing over some of the details but the idea that the gods set into motion

01:07:27.320 all of the the things which translates really to correlating

01:07:34.000 emir correlating the the the body the um the middle guard is being correlated to all other

01:07:42.880 things uh but again they saw saw it as the things were being correlated um perhaps even separately

01:07:50.780 the stars did not know and then they were to know their their stead the moon did not know

01:07:57.180 his stead. And so then he was given that knowledge. It glances over some things,

01:08:04.020 the origins of, of Suna and Maoni as in relation to metanarrative, you know, there's two kind of

01:08:13.320 placements. One is that they are godly. And that I think is the way in which we take them. But

01:08:23.940 there are references to them being mortal or at least understanding that the sun and the moon are

01:08:30.100 much like the earth a thing that is inhabited by dominion or power so suna is not the sun the sun

01:08:42.180 is often referred to as a spark of muspelheim but that she is given dominion of its station

01:08:50.240 or its movements or its functions and that gets really interesting and this is kind of what i was

01:08:55.380 going to hit on earlier is that the stories the truths of the stories are truly beautiful when

01:09:01.640 you look at certain things that perhaps even our ancestors didn't know but we know now and that's

01:09:06.980 what makes me believe that the gods had a intent with uh the keeping of these stories and the

01:09:17.240 knowledge knowing that they were going to be kept in the state that they're going that they've been

01:09:21.720 preserved and uh that kind of correlating with the knowledge that we gain from other sources

01:09:28.260 um you know it's when we look at the the mentioning of sunas having two horses and

01:09:34.740 mani only having one and the reference not only just to traversing across the sky but when you

01:09:42.460 realize that Midgard has two horses as well, day and night, who are not mentioned in the poem,

01:09:48.440 we have this sense of rotation. There are two on the earth, there are two on the sun, but one

01:09:55.340 on the moon. And out of those three things, only one of them doesn't rotate on its own axis.

01:10:01.820 I thought that was, you know, just truly interesting in the idea that what if a lot

01:10:08.000 of these truths are woven in with our understanding coming to them, even in different ways. And I

01:10:17.340 think that makes me wonder, even in the far, far off future, like you had said, when we're

01:10:22.320 telepathically or across space and time, what truths or understandings can apply then as well?

01:10:31.600 And that's what metanarratives, myths, their truths are perennial and they are framed in usage of elder times, but also of today in a lot of ways.

01:10:48.740 As long as we just kind of understand our framework and understand a little bit about why they might be saying things a certain way.

01:10:57.280 And of course, you know, Sunna is referred to in the Old Norse as Sol. Sol is the, just simply mentioned here as the sister of Mauni, or Mauna, which again is grammatical, but some people have thrown that into when we talk about gendering the heavenly bodies.

01:11:25.500 That's an interesting subject, but I think more along the lines, what's more interesting about this stanza is that the sun, the moon, and the stars find their station, find their might or their place within all things.

01:11:44.060 And it's not stated outright, but it's, again, the machinations of the gods creating all things in their cyclical form, and that's always kind of correlated as a round, arcing movement, the raido, if you will, the movement of everything kind of correlating correctly and in its proper positions.

01:12:14.060 i don't know if you have any uh no i'm just looking at it now we're in we are five stanzas

01:12:29.080 in that's okay these are this is really important and i'm glad we're doing that and well you know

01:12:35.400 we came up with three parts today we can call it and do it in as many parts as we need to it's not

01:12:41.200 we're not bound by time on it. I'd rather do it right than do it quickly.

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01:13:06.040 tonight we appreciate it um i was just checking to see if we have any um any questions so far

01:13:12.840 about the text we don't we do have good questions that we are going to get to

01:13:16.520 after we're done with the text though so please stay tuned or if you're if you are going to check

01:13:22.440 back in uh if you can't make the entire broadcast but no i'm okay i yeah i'm okay with continuing on

01:13:29.800 to stanza six okay so well and it's also worth noting that there is a part up here which i kind of

01:13:39.160 banked on or not necessarily banked on but understood that there's a huge section of this

01:13:43.800 first half of the first 25 of the dvergar or the the svartalfar and their their names so it's that's

01:13:52.520 gonna be one of those kind of leaps um no we're gonna listen to you

01:14:01.000 and you've got to do it in reamer

01:14:06.200 just start singing it you think i'm joking when they list those names you are to do it in

01:14:12.680 in reamer why are you making me do this you're a son of iceland

01:14:17.000 uh no reamer is optional if you wanted to do that we would all have a good time but um honestly

01:14:26.060 you just going through with your pronunciations i think it'd be really

01:14:29.560 nice for folks to hear that aren't familiar with it well um

01:14:35.080 yeah i think we've already and you know studying with certain things like for instance emir

01:14:41.900 instead of, sometimes I've heard Yimer, I've heard Wymere, or Wymire, or Aimeyer.

01:14:52.900 So getting a lot of that and correlating it down.

01:14:56.040 Some people just don't know.

01:14:58.540 So I think honestly, hearing you say it authentically will get people closer than they would be otherwise.

01:15:07.960 And honestly, the more you know, the more you realize how people sound goofy and it's easy to poke fun.

01:15:16.440 But I guarantee you, I butcher things all the time that are not, you know, rich.

01:15:22.120 Yeah. And that's something I like when I've met people who say like a sat true or why mirror or I'm here.

01:15:33.060 i'm not actually really poking fun at them i just there there isn't there isn't a

01:15:39.540 foundational english uh that's like agreed upon and so a lot of uh the sounds that we have based

01:15:47.300 off the letters that are used creates a lot of that and i and it's it sounds funny at times and

01:15:54.500 it is funny at times but the the real sad part is that it was just there we're we're english

01:16:00.260 translating old norse uh based off of letters that we have now that and some of them we used to have

01:16:07.940 but don't anymore and so yeah i'm not particularly poking fun i really um you know i i if people were

01:16:16.820 if to say like hey the y in the beginning of emir is always like a double e sound

01:16:22.980 um then people would kind of be understood and there's like a there's a range of getting it

01:16:28.660 kind of wrong but american and then just getting it yokel hillbilly like silly wrong and i think

01:16:37.540 we've we've all heard that and i think different versions great on different people but i know our

01:16:42.180 audience likes to hear you say icelandic stuff they poke you with a stick and say do an icelandic

01:16:48.420 and uh and so we all have have fun with that and i do think it's educating but well and it's also

01:16:56.580 worth noting too icelandic has a lot some changes versus old norse a lot of the the the p sound in

01:17:03.300 the f um and uh you know a certain um like the lateral lisp of icelandic wasn't really present

01:17:12.100 in old norse when when we talk about like heim dollar uh but now in modern icelandic it's heim

01:17:18.340 dotler it's a like a a tick on the side of the the teeth dotler and so i i've watched some videos

01:17:28.340 there was like an icelandic woman and it's like she's talking about how it's set in modern icelandic

01:17:33.280 and it's like yeah but old norse was probably a little bit different probably wasn't as finite or

01:17:38.260 or filled with as many like percussive senses that that they do now so so that said uh six

01:17:47.880 through nine are some of my very favorite stanzas. So let's

01:17:51.880 proceed to stanza six. Yes, absolutely.

01:17:56.500 So then sought the gods

01:17:59.620 their assembly seats in heaven

01:18:02.620 the holy ones and council held

01:18:07.780 names then gave they to noon

01:18:11.780 and to twilight. Morning they named and the

01:18:15.700 waning moon, night and evening, the years to number. This is a really favorite one of mine

01:18:23.620 as well because we're talking about timekeeping and we're talking about allocating linguistics

01:18:30.120 towards times of the day. Again, you know, I've mentioned it numerous times, our ancestors

01:18:37.700 counted and marked the day at sunset because of its functionality. And currently, you know,

01:18:43.880 in our, and I would say even in a better sense, we see it as midnight now because we have the

01:18:49.460 ability to count hourage, um, to precise increments. And, um, and again, the, the sun

01:18:56.420 rising and the sun setting are, are, are, um, so important to our ancestors in the way they marked

01:19:02.900 days. Um, but the idea of all that, that is, um, you know, in all languages, all Germanic

01:19:13.880 languages, the usage of the word morning, the usage of the word, um, midday or noon or, um,

01:19:22.640 evening, uh, afternoon, um, all of these titles and words are again, um, change colloquially as

01:19:33.200 we go. But what this is really talking about is the, the establishment of the gods and their might

01:19:39.500 over time and that's why i often talk about the upper world is where time descends and it's not

01:19:46.800 necessarily like a a pouring i'm saying that from the pin from the pinnacle or the zenith or the top

01:19:53.740 of uh the ordering of time and structure along with weird which is in essence inseparable um

01:20:02.000 descend and begin

01:20:04.520 here with

01:20:06.520 the gods and the way that they order

01:20:08.480 these things from their

01:20:10.440 council seat.

01:20:12.840 And, you know, again,

01:20:14.600 we view the gods as

01:20:16.160 the twelve, and then

01:20:18.260 the multitude of goddesses,

01:20:20.220 of course, with Freya

01:20:21.400 and Frigga as

01:20:24.240 being of the heights

01:20:25.480 there. But this council...

01:20:30.260 I wanted to point out

01:20:31.600 in stanza six

01:20:33.480 one of the really, really important

01:20:39.620 themes

01:20:40.280 Oh, wait, I might have to step away

01:20:43.880 I have an animal that is

01:20:45.440 in the house that's trapped in a room

01:20:47.740 I'm sorry

01:20:48.960 Is it supposed to be in the house?

01:20:51.280 Yes, it is one of our

01:20:52.940 but it's going to make a terrible noise

01:20:55.120 it's been kind of doing it

01:20:56.100 Alright, fair enough

01:20:58.020 Swan goes

01:21:01.460 and tins his beast um it's a dragon i hate you do you i don't know the rules in the the old dominion

01:21:11.700 on uh keeping dragons that said um stanza six is really meaningful to me in the fact that 0.51

01:21:23.540 for a long time there and i've spoken on this many times people embraced also true as

01:21:40.180 the anti-christianity or the anti-organized religion we don't like organized religion we

01:21:47.340 like mud hut chaos animism stuff and one of the things that they rejected was this idea of good

01:21:57.260 and evil and tried to contextualize everything but duality is important and it always has been to our

01:22:03.260 ancestors it may not always get phrased as good and evil per se but what it does get very often

01:22:14.540 illustrated as is order versus chaos um what we are watching our gods do in this part of the

01:22:28.380 veluspa is literally ordering things setting the order of our existence setting order to time

01:22:39.980 their first thing they did was find their seats sit down and start structuring order and hierarchy

01:22:51.020 and in structure our gods are the gods of order our people our race has existed on finding chaotic

01:23:02.940 primalness and structuring it and putting order to it instilling our order onto the world around us

01:23:13.740 and that's exactly in in grand scale what our gods are doing at this point

01:23:19.780 in the in the story that i think is extremely meaningful

01:23:23.520 i um i just noticed the uh for people who are might be listening and not seeing there's

01:23:33.140 apparently a disney version of me out there now on the on the uh step away screen i just now saw

01:23:41.100 that i think it's the same one from uh last week the uh the as somebody said pixar pixar

01:23:52.260 swan i was thinking like from frozen or disney yes yes it is i believe that's where it comes from

01:24:01.860 is the that's funny that's the frozen version well and i think it's also worth something that

01:24:08.260 to note that you just said to in the in the placement of time the general belief of snorri

01:24:15.380 stutlason or or at least say the poets that started to com compile the the poems um and the

01:24:23.300 usage of the of the number 12 uh the 12 gods and a lot of people automatically correlate that to

01:24:30.500 in the story the the referencing to the uh the the kind of the lords of of troy uh that whole

01:24:40.900 euhemeristic kind of paraphrasing that Snorty puts on the gods. But it is worth noting that,

01:24:49.320 again, the gods in their assembly seat, the 12 gods gather together and set forth time.

01:24:55.500 And so I think the number 12 has a great significance within our faith, just as much

01:25:01.460 as three, six, and nine does as a dynamic number. And even the number four has placement as well

01:25:07.680 with stability, but 12 is, is a unique number that I think is secretly woven in, um, or, or just very

01:25:17.080 mildly woven into the understanding of the way our, perhaps our understanding of time would

01:25:23.920 progress into an understanding of the 12 hour, the 12 month, um, even the, you know, the, the

01:25:30.900 moon cycles, um, if you correlate with some of the runic calendars, the runic calendars are,

01:25:37.380 uh on a 19 year cycle but they correlate with the days and the moons and it's generally 12 moon

01:25:45.700 cycles a year with perhaps one or two that overlap into a 13 and then readjust back to 12.

01:25:53.540 so even you know i know a lot of people might say oh like oh they you know in what what's that movie

01:25:59.860 um the one with the 13th warrior yes they need a warrior for every one of their months and it's

01:26:06.980 13, you know, that was kind of

01:26:08.820 something that I think Michael Crichton put

01:26:11.000 in with his book, Eaters of the Dead,

01:26:12.740 but it's worth noting, 12 is far more

01:26:15.040 of a significant number than I think a lot of people

01:26:16.980 realize.

01:26:20.040 So,

01:26:21.160 time.

01:26:28.420 Stanza 7.

01:26:32.200 At

01:26:32.680 Etheval met the mighty gods.

01:26:36.980 shrines and temples they timbered high forges they set and they smithied or

01:26:43.780 tongs they rot and tools they fashioned um when we talk first out the gate either

01:26:51.940 or either valley either valley either means work it means toil it means really in essence a a valley

01:27:03.060 of potential it is a valley of a place in which things are to be built and the progress of order

01:27:12.580 is being set i think this manifests of course in in language that about um forges and you know

01:27:22.180 tools and tongs and things of high capacity especially of that time the idea that you know

01:27:28.500 You know, if you were a place that couldn't forge a nail, you know, or, you know, have these things, then you were no place at all.

01:27:36.420 And this is kind of showing that the gods are formulating and formulizing things.

01:27:44.580 They're creating and moving in this plane of potential.

01:27:50.040 And it's never really specified, but it's kind of seen as Ithavol is in heaven, but is later on sectioned out into realms.

01:27:58.500 um and i i don't try to hold on to that too hard in the ideas like well what what realm

01:28:07.160 where are the property lines or what have you um but it's understood that either is that heavenly

01:28:14.600 place in which they now start to build the halls of the gods and if we look in grimness mall you

01:28:22.820 You know, even though in the poem Lord Odin kind of mashes all of the rivers together, you know, there's other poems that we can look at.

01:28:32.340 There are clearly unique rivers mentioned in heaven, you know, Kort and Ormt and Thrund, and all of these rivers are mentioned as kind of being in the valley where the gods build Ausgard, the actual enclosure of the gods.

01:28:52.820 But that's kind of seen as a symbolic sense of the enclosure in which the gods reside and that they leave that place to go to the base of the tree and sit to counsel repeatedly over and over and over again in relation to how they play out their dominion in the world.

01:29:12.800 So when I speak about like how the gods hold their dominion over the world, these are the verses that are kind of explaining that or where my intention or idea of the interplay between the gods and everything in correlation to the base of the tree and where they assemble at that well, at earth's well, where all things are kind of originate from.

01:29:39.100 Um, something else that I've always found inspirational and the more that I've, you know,

01:29:54.320 thought on it over the years has been, uh, the meaning's been enhanced, but so

01:30:01.820 So after they set the initial order and structure of things, of time and such, so they set these kind of abstract framework things, and then they met on the plane of action where things occur.

01:30:27.480 And what they did there first was set up shrines and temples, and they timbered them high.

01:30:37.300 They set up forges, they smithed ore, they made tools.

01:30:44.620 First, just this idea of what do you do when you come to power?

01:30:53.940 You build things.

01:30:57.480 You build special things for holy purposes, but you build stuff.

01:31:08.600 The impetus to build instead of to tear down or to, you know, mete out punishment or destruction on something.

01:31:19.320 And when the gods come to power, the first thing they do in their new realm that they've created is to build beautiful things.

01:31:28.720 And I've always been inspired by that just in ways I would like to see Alcetru do things as we come into our own in the modern world.

01:31:43.960 What do we do?

01:31:45.080 we should build temples and set up beautiful things and build these things to our gods and

01:31:51.500 i think that's a a special thing one of the things that has inspired me a lot but also what i think

01:31:58.540 is important there is this trope with the shoulder pelts and ash on the face and whatever the dangly

01:32:08.260 things in front of the high lung chicks eyes are and the antlers and the nonsense 0.55

01:32:13.080 of this reverence for ooga-booga primitive stuff. 0.96

01:32:21.340 We don't see that here.

01:32:24.040 The first thing they did, they built shrines and temples.

01:32:29.260 They didn't, as some people like to contend,

01:32:33.700 no, our ancestors only worshipped at rocks and in groves and in the woods.

01:32:38.920 no the first thing our gods did was build high timbered shrines and temples

01:32:46.320 this is at a much earlier stage certainly than present of our ancestors how they conceptualized

01:32:55.880 their gods and what they did everything we've seen in this poem thus far is the gods taking

01:33:03.960 primitive and raw nature and breaking it down and shaping it to their will with technology,

01:33:13.020 with stuff. They made tools. They didn't just levitate it with their head.

01:33:18.660 The conception of our ancestors, very close to that arc, Alcetru period,

01:33:25.220 know that God's built stuff. They made buildings. They made structures. They took ore and from

01:33:33.760 it. They fashioned tools. They fashioned gold and ornamentation. They made high timbered temples

01:33:40.560 and shrines. We look back in history and a lot of people will take a reflection of the very

01:33:50.560 end of the Ausatru era of the Germanic tribes in a very primitive state and comment as if our

01:34:01.440 ancestors didn't build holy buildings because what the germanic tribesmen had in comparison

01:34:09.820 with you know the via sacra in rome was obviously of a very different magnitude and a very different

01:34:18.840 quality of architecture but here you see that it was always the understanding of our ancestors

01:34:25.800 No, our gods, you know, temples and shrines were stuff that you built.

01:34:31.340 Didn't say they frolicked in the woods or they gathered around a pretty rock.

01:34:36.880 Said, no, they made timbered temples.

01:34:40.620 That's a really special thing.

01:34:42.240 And I think it's meaningful.

01:34:43.320 And it doesn't mean nature is beautiful.

01:34:45.260 We all get that.

01:34:46.840 Being out in the woods and finding something that's really special or a special part in nature.

01:34:53.200 That's great.

01:34:54.040 And there's nothing wrong with that.

01:34:56.960 But in Ausatru, we absolutely had temples.

01:35:01.380 And we have temples again.

01:35:09.900 It's something that is going over here in the chat with Viral Mage.

01:35:16.300 Who did the gods worship in their haves?

01:35:18.740 Or is it talking about our earliest ancestors?

01:35:21.080 Well, I think that one of the things worth noting is, and I've said this often, is that what happens in the halls of the gods happens to in the hearts of men.

01:35:31.540 And this applies to a lot of things, including the binding of Fenris and so on and so forth.

01:35:37.080 I think that it's worth noting that it's a correlation by the poets to correlate the gods towards achievements in mankind show their advancement, especially when these things were not easily attainable.

01:35:53.380 So the idea of the gods building shrines and temples, building tools and making ore are specific towards the idea that they're correlating the gods to those who are listening to the poem and knowing ore is hard to get.

01:36:12.900 These are advancements. These are things going on. The gods are advanced. The gods are doing things and they're doing things before everyone else.

01:36:21.300 So I think that the point of it is correlation, not necessarily to say, oh, the gods are worshiping something in the shrines.

01:36:29.080 The gods are worshiping something in the temples.

01:36:31.040 No, in essence, the gods are acting like advanced humans or that the audience is picking up that the gods are advanced like they see advancement on a scale.

01:36:44.320 And that scale is, again, if you have temples, if you have shrines, if you have the ability to make tongs from oared iron and things of that nature are continuously emphasized in order to kind of lay out to the audience that the gods are hyper, you know, up to date or even, you know, they're civilized.

01:37:09.680 they're organized even to our ancestors these ideas were things that i think a lot of them

01:37:15.520 wanted needed and desired and seeing that the gods had the the acumen in order to simply

01:37:23.400 bring these forward is is a is a flex statement if you will the gods are mighty the gods are

01:37:29.560 powerful um but how do you state that without kind of again correlation to the time and i think

01:37:36.320 And also, we're in the section where the whole point is the establishment of order and how things ought to be.

01:37:47.280 So we go very quickly from hierarchy of celestial bodies and time to, and then what do the gods do?

01:37:59.600 They set up beautiful buildings and structure.

01:38:02.500 And those buildings aren't just, you know, a bingo hall.

01:38:05.840 their temples and shrines there's a place for the sacred when you look at and you know it wasn't

01:38:14.460 talked about in uh in this poem but but it will be in more detail later odinville and vey

01:38:22.360 one third of that triad of creation was sacrality that's what what vey's name means

01:38:35.240 You know, our reality was shaped out of will, out of inspiration, and out of sacredness in a very literal way.

01:38:49.160 And when the gods rightly order how the world ought to be, that space for temples and shrines is the first thing that they build.

01:38:59.420 And I think that's meaningful.

01:39:05.240 I noticed here in the script to, let's see, Uncle Krampus, migrating people tend not to build structures of permanence.

01:39:15.640 And I think that that's interesting because one of the reasons why we know about some of the early Aryan migrations, or not earliest, but, you know, Iron Age, cusp of bronze and iron moving in is because of the Kurgan, the Kurgan burial mound.

01:39:32.380 And so I think that it's kind of a broad stroke brush if you say they're not building for permanence. I think sometimes it's worth noting that for occasions of death and occasions of honoring the gods, they built structures.

01:39:48.380 structures. It's also worth noting that they oftentimes reutilized megalith, you know, areas,

01:39:55.180 but were often had those places seen as perhaps elder places or places that, you know, they would

01:40:04.220 build their own. And again, there's other things that we might not even know. They may have built

01:40:12.060 shrines and temples out of things that, you know, just don't stand the test of time. 0.62

01:40:16.940 kurgan stand the test of time and of course the megalith circles and stones stand the test of

01:40:23.020 time but maybe they were you know doing things based off of what was available to them you know

01:40:27.100 icelanders ended up building a lot out of stone simply because there wasn't a lot of wood one of

01:40:32.300 the and a couple other things to consider on that the germanic tribesmen that the romans encountered

01:40:39.740 first at that period and in that place were wandering nomadic they'd been pushed and by

01:40:48.620 the environment by neighboring tribes they weren't settled it wasn't the height of some great aryan

01:40:54.220 kingdom that was the ideal no it was wandering refugee tribesmen that were fighting amongst 0.69

01:41:00.380 themselves in a you know non-ideal state but just because that's the stage they found them doesn't

01:41:09.340 mean that was the folk ideal they remembered and talked about those kind of things those structures

01:41:18.700 palaces great things and when you look back in the history of of aryan peoples they have those

01:41:24.460 at different times when you see even at that time when you see the culture clash between rome

01:41:30.380 and the germanics they're both branches of aryan people that harken back to these most primal truths

01:41:36.300 of creation clearly other branches of our folk were prolific in building magnificent structures

01:41:45.660 but they did it in a way that did uh stay over time one of the things that

01:41:51.100 we very often see is the wood used in germany and in scandinavia to construct structures would rot

01:41:59.340 over time it's one of the advancements when you look into the building of the stave kirka

01:42:06.540 the staves originally were embedded into the ground and that worked really good for a while

01:42:12.780 but eventually it rotted the wood one of the you know later innovations pretty close to or

01:42:18.940 right at the christianizing period in the north was to start putting those buildings on stone

01:42:25.420 foundation so that the rotting didn't happen but it's one of the ways that they identify

01:42:31.420 hoffs and temple structures archaeologically is finding post holes and the remnants of where

01:42:40.380 posts would go but wood doesn't stand the test of time the same way that marble does

01:42:46.380 well and i yeah he's talking about in reference to tacitus or tacitus um you know and yeah i think

01:42:58.380 it's worth noting that the migrational period causes adaptation and i mean we we kind of see

01:43:05.200 two ends of it when we talk about tacitus's um observations of the germanic people uh you know

01:43:12.660 and he talks about how they don't put their gods into human form

01:43:17.960 versus Snorty and his euhemorizing of the gods as kings of Norway or kings of Sweden.

01:43:25.980 We see this kind of two sides of the table.

01:43:31.060 I think it is also worth noting too that Tacitus was probably taking a jab

01:43:34.980 at um the romans themselves uh because the the faith of rome and of greece and just of the

01:43:46.200 hellenics was changing in and of itself there was a lot more of a artistic representation of the

01:43:51.960 gods and not everyone was keen on that and and ultimately what it led to was the gods by the

01:43:59.660 philosophes kind of turning into soap operas and dramas and plays and things. And so he's kind of

01:44:05.660 at the front end of the slippery slope argument. And that's an interesting thing too, just in

01:44:11.880 Germanic studies in general. That's the purpose of a lot of Tacitus' writing. And admittedly so,

01:44:20.400 and well known at the time and since, what he did, not that it was dishonest, but he wanted

01:44:29.340 to point out, I guess, what would become the ideal of the noble savage. He wanted to point

01:44:35.900 out the decadence and decay that Rome had become by his time with an earlier stage of

01:44:47.200 our folk where they were more in touch with the more primal element of our faith. And

01:44:55.000 He was pointing out primal virtues

01:44:57.900 of a more virtuous stage in the development,

01:45:02.820 hearkening back to Rome's own earlier period

01:45:07.260 when those virtues were more valuable.

01:45:09.500 And as they got more rooted, more civilized,

01:45:11.600 and more decadent, those disappeared,

01:45:13.900 even makes those comments in annals quite often

01:45:18.600 about how far Rome had come from its glory days

01:45:22.940 of when the virtues were celebrated higher than they were,

01:45:30.740 certainly, I just been writing at the end of,

01:45:37.820 a lot of his critique he was writing

01:45:39.440 was about Nero's administration.

01:45:41.240 So at a point during the Bad Emperors

01:45:44.540 where things had gone astray,

01:45:50.740 a lot of his writing was commentary

01:45:52.900 that way and so i think he chose to emphasize a lot of you know noble savage kind of virtues

01:46:00.020 well yeah the degeneracy that rome had become uncle kram is like it's hitting it on the head

01:46:06.260 there i think two things that a lot of people don't think about that really really stick out

01:46:11.620 to me is he talks about how the germanics need of only having one wife and that's a that's an

01:46:17.460 odd way of stating that they're monogamous is because he's kind of referencing to he's leaving

01:46:22.740 what's unsaid is that it's you know being read by romans who are like you know he's saying they

01:46:27.900 only need to be loyal to one woman and they are together and you know rome was slipping into

01:46:33.440 different direction um and the other the uh what was the other thing that really kind of like left 0.98

01:46:39.260 unsaid because normally we go straight towards like cowards and homosexuals were bogged and that 0.98

01:46:45.900 is pretty clear cut and forward. But like, I really thought the, oh, it was the weapons amongst 1.00

01:46:52.880 leadership. These were two kind of like that were unsung. One was the need for only one wife. And

01:46:58.840 the other was that free men could bear arms in front of their kings because their system was

01:47:05.320 built on honor, was built on being able to express your ideals, but still having loyalty and honor to

01:47:12.980 your king or to your lord or to your thing and that it was seen as like you know even in the

01:47:18.180 civilized world you you can't have weapons in front of people because it they tend to get a

01:47:23.680 little stabby all right and before we continue um cole van gilder five dollars thank you so much

01:47:33.460 We appreciate that.

01:47:37.660 And on to stanza eight.

01:47:41.180 Yeah.

01:47:41.600 So in their dwellings at peace, they played at the tables of gold.

01:47:50.420 There was no lack.

01:47:51.240 Did the gods then know, till thither came up giant maidens three, huge of might, out of Jotunheim?

01:48:07.140 And the word used here, too, when we talk about giant maidens is thersa,

01:48:12.360 Which is an interesting usage because thirsts are generally correlated with perhaps like a more primitive sense.

01:48:22.800 Oftentimes people, I think, ultimately correlate thirst to troll in an etymological way.

01:48:32.620 And I don't necessarily think that's the case.

01:48:34.800 I think thirst means again ancient and mighty um of of of great power and that power can manifest

01:48:45.180 very primally but it was seen as um perhaps not multifaceted but purposeful uh in almost

01:48:56.060 like a singular way um but it's it's ear and you know they they say they uh in their dwellings at

01:49:02.700 piece they played at the tables that part there is reference to the boards uh tables and boards

01:49:09.480 um chess pieces um in uh i know i'm sure most people are familiar with like the popular game

01:49:20.120 right now that has definitely was um kind of honed in the nordic lands though it's present in

01:49:26.980 wales uh oftentimes a much bigger board and really showed up more in a revival in the

01:49:32.340 medieval periods is uh not not but tuffle um which is the challenge uh not but is uh

01:49:43.220 combat and topple is table so the combat table or the the chess board is like as we know it with the

01:49:50.980 you know, the king and his loyal fanes in the center being onslaughted from four directions.

01:49:58.680 Very, very cool game. But the idea of being able to play games and being able to do things

01:50:05.060 is about peace. It's about prosperity. It's the ultimate desire to create a place where art and

01:50:15.580 where um uh what's the word um entertainment can be attained uh so that people can take a relaxing

01:50:28.220 break from toil and and uh the mundane and i think that that is in juxtaposition to the earlier

01:50:36.960 stanza where they're talking about the gods working they're also now talking about them at

01:50:41.580 peace and playing games. So the correlation there is, is that building societies allow you to have,

01:50:49.800 um, you know, breaks, have desirable things, and that you should try to, you know, attain those.

01:50:57.600 Obviously we could talk about, you know, too good a times create bad things, but,

01:51:02.600 you know, I think in this context, um, the gods are enjoying the fruits of their labor. And then

01:51:09.840 from Jotunheim come these thirst maidens. Now, I think it's worth noting that obviously these 0.95

01:51:22.700 are the witches. Nornir translates to witch, but they don't specifically say the Nornir in this

01:51:30.860 stanza. When Midgard is formulated, there are two, again, kind of polaric sides, much like

01:51:41.820 Muspelheim and Niflheim. There is also Vanaheim and Jotunheim. And Jotunheim is kind of referred

01:51:48.960 to as the place of ancient things it's kind of the where the um the essence of emir's primordialness

01:52:01.920 goes and they reference this as kind of like the east in in ref like the mountains to the east

01:52:08.960 if you're in norway uh if you're in sweden or if you're in europe the the idea is that beyond the

01:52:14.720 mountains to the east is where the primordial is um where the unknown is or the the garth

01:52:22.320 at the edge of things is and they come from there because those things are they are ancient and they

01:52:30.080 are in essence born of the slaying of emir and that i think is really important to to key in on

01:52:39.600 Because ultimately, the Nornir show up because of the slaying of Emir.

01:52:46.500 This is the time in which the deeds of the gods start into motion all things, including, ultimately, Ragnarok. 0.99

01:52:58.300 The idea is that all things have a cycle, all things have a completion, or a return, and then an ascension again. 0.99

01:53:06.160 And that is where the Nornir come from. And all of the Jotnar in the stories, especially the Jotnar in relation to Emir, are consistently viewed as coming from the east as in some sort of remembrance of the slaying of Emir and the willful changing.

01:53:29.160 changing so when people try to organize things and create things there's kind of this um i don't know

01:53:35.400 this memory or perhaps this is like just covetous desire to kind of change or dissipate and that is

01:53:42.680 really exemplified in coming from the east coming from jotunheim those two are kind of interchangeable

01:53:52.280 i think as things develop this becomes a little bit

01:54:02.040 more often used but the

01:54:08.360 the differences between types of giants is a lot and it can be very confusing

01:54:19.160 because there's overlap in names and things.

01:54:22.960 There are seemingly unconscious forces of primal existence that are there

01:54:33.920 that are a form of Yot-Nar.

01:54:37.540 There are malevolent trolls and things that are malicious against order,

01:54:47.040 against mankind against the gods that are yotnar there are amazing and wise like wizard giants 0.92

01:54:57.360 that are yotnar and then there are also progenitors of the gods um sometimes spouses of the gods

01:55:09.240 forces from an ancient and a primal time that have an ancient an ancient wisdom or uh you know

01:55:16.320 a primal from the roots of creation wisdom to impart at later stages and so i think that

01:55:23.200 that becomes confusing because some are very hostile and malevolent others are

01:55:28.880 existing on their own without particular allegiance and others you know are helpful

01:55:36.220 at times so i think it it all depends on context it's not one size fits all when we talk about

01:55:42.960 giants. Well, and this event creates a situation in which the gods have to gather. And it says

01:55:58.300 that then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones, and council held.

01:56:07.180 So this is, I think, there's, in reference to the Nornir coming from the east,

01:56:16.200 but also I think this might lend itself towards some stories that we don't have

01:56:22.420 that might not have survived, but translation-wise that it gets confusing

01:56:27.100 and it doesn't get any easier um but it's just i think the first two lines of stanza

01:56:32.520 nine are in direct reference to the fact that the nornir have arrived and they have to um

01:56:40.220 you know correlate with their arrival and this brings on the next step which i think is the

01:56:51.460 reason why the stories might not exist is i i think this is referencing to the story of how

01:56:58.020 the gods and the the dverga or dvergar or uh and it's said if you're reading this in old norse

01:57:06.420 um the the dvergar are the dwarves or the the svart alvar or like the the again the spirits

01:57:14.720 of material um they they seek to gather and do they seek to gather in order to find specific

01:57:24.000 dwarves it's never quite mentioned but we do know that the four hearts that are in heaven described

01:57:31.120 in um uh the skull the skulls uh reference or in the guild beginning um they have dwarven names

01:57:39.440 but alas there's a huge gap there um but it says you know then sought the gods their assembly

01:57:47.720 seats the place in which they they their dominion the regan over and um they you know they're they're

01:57:58.040 the great holy ones the the gin hilo gold they're the great holy ones gather and and counsel to find 0.84

01:58:07.240 who should raise the race of dwarves out of Brimir's blood and the legs of, well, it says

01:58:16.480 in English Blaine, but it's interesting. So like, if we go over to the Nordic side, it's worth 0.99

01:58:22.000 noting there's a dash above the A, which means that the name is Blauen, not Blaine. It's pronounced

01:58:29.320 Blauen. And Blauen means blue, the blue one, or the one of blue. And every reference that we can

01:58:36.760 think of in relation to blueness is about death or at least being of the under so that's an

01:58:43.680 interesting thing a lot of people take this as out of brimmer's blood which i think is correct

01:58:48.720 is that this is a another word or another title for emir and there are multiple titles used

01:58:54.820 is often used um and this one brimmer is kind of seen as um the brining

01:59:01.480 rime ice but in reference to here it may be again uh blood brimmer's blood is this kind of like

01:59:10.180 froth and and gore of emir's um movings and then the legs of blauen to my knowledge there's no

01:59:20.340 reference of emir ever being referred to as blauen and we do know that both of these names are used

01:59:26.060 for dvergar's names and so i'm wondering if there is perhaps a progenitor of the dvergar

01:59:33.900 uh but most people take this as that from the blood and from his legs of emir is generally

01:59:41.660 how it's translated um but again that's not a hundred percent agreed upon uh brimir makes

01:59:48.940 more sense but blauen doesn't because out of the blood and the legs that and is kind of

01:59:57.980 i don't know if it's connective or if there's a story that we're missing

02:00:03.260 but from this um some people have surmised and i i think it has merit is that um after the flood

02:00:11.820 After the flood of Ymir, it's said that the Yotnar are reduced to only two.

02:00:21.100 And again, this is about, you know, generationally, like Ask and Emla are not physically a one-and-one, but the proto-generation of things. 0.55

02:00:31.260 So the proto-generation of the gods is in Ber-Yelmer and his unnamed wife.

02:00:37.280 And they flow to the east, where it would become Jotunheim. 0.70

02:00:44.180 But it's out of Brimmer's blood and the legs of Blaine.

02:00:48.060 Some people talk about the lower half of Ymir being mentioned as the legs. 1.00

02:00:54.040 And I think that that has merit in relation to where the Dvergar live. 0.99

02:00:58.200 The Dvergar live in Nidavellur, which is the valley that's beneath, or the dark valley, the place in the shadow. It's not Nidavellheim or Nidavellhel, it's Nidavellur is like the land underneath the land.

02:01:17.240 And it's there, I think, that the reference to legs means, again, the underneath, the lower half.

02:01:25.340 And there is where the spirits of the land, the spirits of the material, come and formulate.

02:01:33.500 And, you know, now we're about to move into the litany of the dwarves.

02:01:37.940 So keep in mind with that, and Svon's reference to the legs, the lower, and the underneath, 0.98

02:01:48.380 when we talk about, as we talked earlier, about the gods being in heaven,

02:01:52.880 about the idea of upward ascension being a progression towards the ideal.

02:02:01.920 um and it's fun name us name us some dwarves well okay so first um if you if you're looking at the

02:02:14.580 the nordic to um english translations some of you might have them side by side i'm not

02:02:20.920 100 sure where everyone's at but um in the english version it says there was moat saugnir

02:02:28.940 and that doesn't fit because the it should actually be a th but the uh the nordic is

02:02:40.180 mode mode soul near the soul the g is kind of rounded and what mode means if anybody's

02:02:49.920 obviously with like, uh, with, uh, Magni and Modi or with, um, Modh Guth, uh, as she resides on the

02:03:00.120 bridge between the living and the dead. Modh means might. Modh means strength. And Sognir is,

02:03:06.440 is referencing to drinking or, uh, the drink, like might drinker, but it might have an interesting

02:03:16.800 context in the idea of like gravity and the correlation of the mass of earth and the idea

02:03:25.380 that the drinking or drawing in of might um i'm not saying that that's what this is alluding to

02:03:32.160 but it makes for an interesting point when you think of of might drinker and the idea of the

02:03:38.680 pulling in power. Um, and that I think is, you know, really interesting. The, but it says there

02:03:46.920 was Motsognir, uh, Modsognir, the mightiest maid of all the dwarves and Durin next many a likeness

02:03:57.120 of men. They made the dwarves in the earth as Durin said, um, that again, I think is the reason

02:04:07.020 why it makes an uh a reference to perhaps another story that's why i specifically as durin said

02:04:17.440 um is sounding of the idea that it's linking to another poem that might have been lost

02:04:24.000 but the litany of the dwarves comes in there and i think that it's you know it's worth noting that

02:04:30.880 the the dvergar are deeply connected to the material both in energy and in physicality

02:04:37.760 the idea of the earth um the pulling of the earth the the the interplay of elements and chemicals

02:04:47.480 i think is really denoted towards the dvergar and i think that that's worth noting because it

02:04:55.040 It always mentions it with like in relation to fashioning weapons and things of that is that this is the highest quality or the highest power of all things that can be kind of interplayed through fire and rock creating this or and all of the knowledge that they have given to a Smith means that this is going to be, you know, an exceptionally strong metal or or object.

02:05:25.040 Um, let me see here. So, uh, we, I'm still trying to make sure I'm following correctly. Yeah. All right. So, um, you know, now we have, uh, knee, knee, knee, no three.

02:05:55.040 and Sudri, Ostri, and Vestri. Now, for anybody that needs to know that, again,

02:06:00.980 the Dvergar are specifically kind of correlated to land and the land underneath the feet of our

02:06:07.040 ancestors, and Nordri, of course, is north. Sudri is south, Ostri, and Vestri, so north,

02:06:14.880 south, east, and west are really, really, again, important.

02:06:24.160 You have

02:06:25.320 That's kind of an interesting name too, right there.

02:06:55.320 Myov being mead, and vignir is a poetic name for a wolf. So mead wolf is kind of an interesting

02:07:05.600 name, getting kind of an idea of like the dripping. Bomber means the loud or the cacophonous.

02:07:15.120 And I think that these names are, again, for the poet to practice their alliterative rhyming,

02:07:21.580 but also correlations to kind of functions and things of the earth,

02:07:28.520 the knocking, the cracking, the rolling, the earth moving, if you will.

02:07:36.440 Again, my own vitniere has always been one that I've kind of wondered about.

02:07:43.340 But there is vekkur og gandalver.

02:07:48.480 so um they translate it to to vig and gandalf but uh gandalf of course is wand elf and wind

02:07:58.680 spirit of the wind or or um elf of the wind and remember alf is always correlated it's much like

02:08:06.460 the word vetter or white or kinder it means like a being of but alvar always have a tendency to be

02:08:14.860 more of a spiritual nature than say a kinder which is like a a people um thorn

02:08:38.620 yeah so that actually that's quite interesting um

02:08:41.500 Um, nir og nirraudr, the rider, raudr, or no, could be council as well.

02:08:48.940 So again, uh, some of the names of like Thor are ein raudr, the lone rider, whereas nirraudr, raudr most likely is, uh, or it could be auðr.

02:09:04.980 So, like, sometimes they're compound words, and so when you're looking things up, it might be worth looking at the idea that there is, like, even though there's near, near may be by itself, but the next one, near rather, might emphasize n-y, rather.

02:09:25.500 And so you might want to section things apart to look them up sometimes.

02:09:30.220 I'm actually kind of interested on that one because of the stasis of it.

02:09:34.580 And you see this like in the rivers in heaven, outside of Edeval, over the mountains of heaven, there are two rivers, corped and orped.

02:09:44.640 And their names are the are the cooling one and the twisting one, even though they sound only one difference based off of a letter.

02:09:54.560 The idea is that there is one that twists like a serpent and the other one is cool.

02:09:58.760 And a lot of this usage of words that are so close together are, again, a way for the poet to kind of differentiate and create a tempo.

02:10:14.440 So there's kind of like this tempo that's really established at this point in the poem.

02:10:39.640 Speaking of tempo, now would be a good time for Reamer.

02:10:44.440 Well, I can't sing, but that was about as close as I could get.

02:10:51.040 I know, you were a virgin on it.

02:10:52.680 You were on the cusp.

02:10:53.980 I was on the cusp.

02:10:54.860 If anybody, nobody might know this, but like Riemöre is a singing style of poetic telling.

02:11:02.380 Most people think that it's really old and it's been around for a long time.

02:11:06.520 Some people think that it may have come after the poems were written down and that another way to kind of tell the poems was to sing it.

02:11:13.860 But Sven Bjorn Bjartensson has recordings of Riemel on YouTube.

02:11:20.500 Yes, I was just going to say, and if we can get any of our people to link those up over in the side chat or even in the description of the video or something.

02:11:31.260 First, Sven Bjorn is one of our heroes and we want to celebrate him.

02:11:35.080 And it's special to be able to, you know, hear his voice echoing through time.

02:11:41.720 it's also just kind of a neat thing to listen to him do some of some scaldic verse in uh in

02:11:50.380 reamer it's really kind of cool and it's partially because it's not our native tongue it becomes

02:12:01.020 meditative with its with its pacing and if any of you guys haven't checked that out

02:12:06.660 you absolutely should listen to all of it if you want at least listen to a taste of it

02:12:12.440 um so you know but it you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you don't just check that out if

02:12:18.520 not just just to get a taste side note i don't understand why the frozen version of me looks

02:12:30.540 villainous, but I'll take it.

02:12:32.460 I enjoy it.

02:12:38.620 Yeah, so near.

02:12:40.680 Near is new.

02:12:45.520 Newness.

02:12:46.660 To be a new again.

02:12:49.300 So there is new.

02:12:51.120 Near.

02:12:54.360 So new council.

02:12:56.520 Nearada.

02:12:57.160 Or knee.

02:13:00.540 Ni, again, is newness. Ni and nir are both referencing to new. So new and new council. It's very interesting. And this whole part is really one of those like Wikipedia dives or one of those Metapedia dives or an etymological, you can go to Old Norse dictionaries and kind of, you know, really delve deep into the names of the dwarves.

02:13:30.280 But I think this is a purposeful section that was either, it might have possibly been added in again to, you know, get the poet to practice.

02:13:46.040 There's a lot of confusion that this causes.

02:13:48.940 Like, for instance, in stanza 12, there is nir, nirauð, and nu hevi ek dverkar.

02:13:59.080 Now I tell you of the dwarves, reijen og raudzvider, which is swift council.

02:14:05.280 But reijen is interesting, because somebody mentioned, I saw it in the side chat,

02:14:08.460 about when I was like, oh, I got a dragon, and his name is Fafnir.

02:14:11.960 If anybody's familiar, of course, with that, then, you know, the idea is that,

02:14:15.800 is this the same Regen of that story? Are they correlating the two? It's not entirely known.

02:14:30.540 And then again, these names seem to be repeating even items or even the elder gods. Like there is

02:14:41.940 builder, or, you know,

02:14:44.840 piltr og børi.

02:14:47.120 Again, børi is mentioned,

02:14:48.920 but børi is, of course,

02:14:50.940 something that comes out of the ground

02:14:52.640 or something that is out of the

02:14:54.000 substrate. And then,

02:14:56.140 you know, here

02:14:58.520 in stanza 15,

02:15:00.620 daur var dråpnir,

02:15:03.000 the dripping one. And if

02:15:04.540 anybody's familiar, of course, with the lore of

02:15:06.660 Lord Odin, dråpnir

02:15:08.660 is the golden ring around his

02:15:10.540 arm that drips nine but this could be referencing to the dripping of caves there's a lot of theories

02:15:16.800 on this section and i i'm not particularly trying to point in any way uh but i really feel that this

02:15:24.920 was a part that was added in with the intention of kind of showing what the poet can do by just

02:15:32.640 memorizing and being able to kind of lay out the litany um very very quickly so you know again a

02:15:41.960 lot of the the uh the big thing i would say is understanding like dashes above a's me meaning

02:15:49.640 an owl sound a dash above a y is like a double e sound uh if it's in the middle of a word um

02:15:58.400 understanding what an ev is which looks like a d with a line through it's like a t and a

02:16:03.520 lowercase d that's actually the th sound um so if you see that like they they translate it to

02:16:11.280 frar f-r-a-r but it's if you look at the nordic one there's an a dash above it so it's fraur

02:16:20.880 and uh the r at the end is its own syllable so it's it is most likely fraur

02:16:26.320 because ours are uh often added as their own so to add something to uh just the side chat the wolf

02:16:34.140 throne is you know if you guys actually go through every stanza and every poem in the poetic edit

02:16:39.780 that would be so cool it will be so cool because we are absolutely going to do that we're going to

02:16:45.700 riddle them off one at a time um and we'll see what kind of pacing and what we're going to do

02:16:51.540 on that because you know i don't know how many wednesdays in a row we we can have spawn on here

02:16:57.740 per se but we're going to get that figured out and do that and uh you said one episode for each poem

02:17:03.680 that's a cool idea but they're very meaty and uh i think that's a biting off a little bit more than

02:17:09.260 we can choose so we're probably going to break several of them up into uh multiple episodes like

02:17:14.460 we're doing tonight. But that is absolutely the plan. So stick with us and we will make that

02:17:21.400 happen for you. Let's see now. I'm trying to think of, there is an interesting note here about

02:17:40.100 dvalin being the kind of originator of the the dwarves and that somehow he is the link between

02:17:47.880 how the dvergar attain runes um and they're not necessarily mentioned as perhaps different runes

02:17:55.760 but are the runes that odin attains and that somehow he attains them which is another reason

02:18:04.020 why i i wonder if there are stories again that are lost especially in referencing to the dvergar

02:18:14.260 because if you were to give whole stanzas i think that their empowerment in uh stories uh has been

02:18:22.180 lost just because of the evidence it seems so um you know indicative of a lot of of the poetics

02:18:32.380 And of course, we don't really see any of that until, you know, Tolkien and his usage of the dwarves' names. And that most likely I think just really comes from his love of etymology and the idea that, you know, of Bomber being the kind of the boisterous one.

02:18:50.920 And I know some people kind of turn their nose towards Peter Jackson's versions,

02:18:58.820 but I will note like Bomber had a drum and I thought that was really cool.

02:19:02.760 Like they did a little bit of a nod towards the etymology of the name being like a resounding sound.

02:19:09.740 So I think that was really cool because I don't remember him having a drum in the books.

02:19:17.180 so

02:19:18.580 but uh so we're so after the litany of the dvergar we we move our ourselves into

02:19:28.300 the next stage of the the ordering and the actions of what is being committed

02:19:37.200 are starting to formulate things the slaying of emir and the the the coming of the dwarves

02:19:43.620 the coming of the nornir and the coming of the dwarves but now there's also another thing that

02:19:48.320 comes into being is the west now starts to bring itself into the realm of of um understanding and

02:19:57.040 it correlates again i've mentioned a thousand times natural law and the and and the the cycle

02:20:03.620 of life and death and all things is now coming into the dominion under cosmic order but it will

02:20:10.980 not come peacefully there has to be a kind of uh again a great battle and a a sense to overcome

02:20:20.980 so i i you know we're correct on stanza 21 right we

02:20:28.020 are we're still doing we're we're still on the the throng of the dwarfs but um if we move to after

02:20:36.500 is it 17 let me see here just making sure we're all on the same page

02:20:48.220 oh yes sorry i skipped ahead um so after the litany of the of the dwarves and the list

02:21:03.060 you know the list of all the forbearers of lovar then it switches then from the throng

02:21:11.300 did three come forth from the home of the gods the mighty and gracious

02:21:18.780 two without fate on land they found ask an embla empty of might so they're speaking about

02:21:29.680 the tripartite of Lord Odin. And at this point, it's worth noting then from the throng, then from

02:21:38.640 the great group of the gods, three of them came. So in the stories, I kind of talk about the gods

02:21:45.920 as being young at this moment, because I'm making reference to the time, but that I also, you know,

02:21:53.160 conceptualizing lord odin in different times um but it's worth noting it out of the group of them

02:22:00.600 come three from the home of the gods from heaven the mighty and gracious they find on the land

02:22:10.560 two that are unfaded there's no might with no destiny ask and embla empty of orlog

02:22:21.180 that's an interesting point that in in the translation is empty of might but ask or

02:22:28.740 emble or log lausa without lost of orlog they don't have it they're not fated some other

02:22:37.600 translations say you know unfated yet and i think that's truly an interesting point is that

02:22:43.460 The idea of Orlog being passed down to us from birth, in an essence, it kind of starts with the formulation of the proto-folk, the Asken Umbla.

02:23:02.000 And so that breath and all of that starts the Orlog cycle.

02:23:06.240 and the naming which is synonymous taking and this is is fundamental and we see it in our

02:23:18.160 our naming right that we do to children um but you can do this with an item i did this with

02:23:25.280 relentless the afa sword at uh siger bloat

02:23:29.840 So, affixing a name to something imbues it with an orlog, with a hymena, with luck, with a sense of it being a separate being.

02:23:45.120 It not being a thing, but a named quantity.

02:23:54.100 Instead of a thing, a someone.

02:23:56.120 and when you deal with objects obviously they're not people nobody thinks that it's exactly the

02:24:02.700 same it's not but the idea of affixing a name to it makes it a separated thing from the world

02:24:12.060 it's not a sword it's not this sword it's not that sword this is relentless like these are not

02:24:20.460 just logs that came up on the seashore they're this they're that the other okay from this point

02:24:27.320 on this is ask this is embla and these are the gifts that we've given them at the time of their

02:24:34.540 naming and they bestowed gifts upon them at the point of their name and that's something that we

02:24:41.020 try to do in a way as well in our in our baby naming ritual

02:24:52.460 and i think it's um just noting on pronunciation anytime you see the o with two dots that's

02:24:59.660 starting to get replaced by an o with a small tail in a lot of the um translations but the

02:25:08.060 best way to think of it is when you see that o it's kind of an it's like sought it's an a u or an

02:25:15.420 o u sound so or and then when we talk about log we say like or log but or law because the g is

02:25:26.380 probably very very soft and throated so it again kind of correlates to er primordial law but

02:25:38.060 know our law lawsa um again they may have throated the g a little bit more old norse than they do in

02:25:49.180 modern icelandic but it means primordial law or fate as it's often translated

02:25:57.020 and in uh from 17 to 18 there's again a great amount in in talking about what makes

02:26:07.900 Asken Ambla and the proto-folk different is that they're given gifts that

02:26:14.520 inexorably connect them to the gods 0.95

02:26:19.320 and in a way this is the dynamicism of Lord Odin

02:26:25.040 the tripartite unto himself the dynamic creator comes down able to move between heaven and earth

02:26:35.720 in you know and manifest that kind of uh threshold and in doing so then taking um

02:26:45.160 uh shape of and giving fate to that which is unshaped and unfaded um and i i also joke

02:26:55.380 not joke per se but in my stories i talk about how the vana gods here in the middle realize

02:27:02.100 that someone of great power has been in the middle when they see this change because it's

02:27:09.600 often referred to that the Vanir are the older gods or old gods. And then in essence, denoting

02:27:17.100 that the folk, when they are created by the Aesir, given that fate, they leave, they go back 0.94

02:27:25.580 to the gods. And so they're left in the middle to achieve, to, you know, make greatness. And

02:27:33.820 Perhaps the first mighty powers that they interact with is the Vanir.

02:27:39.980 And it is then later that the Aesir become known and prevalent, the idea, the expanding, that which is above.

02:27:47.960 So the first thing we learn is the powers of natural law, the things that are inescapable, life, love, procreation, death, and legacy of the cycles of life.

02:28:02.580 hunting eating so on and so forth it is then when the the esir come in after that alignment

02:28:10.220 that we begin to see greater understandings of things civilization law um you know things that

02:28:18.480 we we attempt to create out of or possibly that are intangible but yet you know we desire to make

02:28:26.260 eternal. So, um, they had not, or soul they had not, um, since they had not. And again, soul is

02:28:40.340 interesting in the, in the, in the usage because it's, it's not, it's breath, the divine breath or

02:28:45.920 the inspiration of breath. Uh, obviously if they direct translation, they would have used the word

02:28:50.500 sour but here they say owned they did not have or uh bearing um they didn't have our heat nor motion

02:29:04.420 nor goodly hue so they're again lao lao ne leti ne leto goda so the they they are given

02:29:17.940 the the kind of correlation between will and physical movement are are seen in this

02:29:26.600 is that they have the ability to um move in accordance to their will and i think that's

02:29:33.960 one key part that I've always focused on is one of the things that truly makes us part of the gods

02:29:39.820 is our ability to transcribe, describe, or just even see ourselves in a place or future outside

02:29:49.400 of our fate that we can conceptualize. Because for most of the part, our understanding of animals is

02:29:57.660 that they, in essence, are built off of the reactions of other things. They learn from

02:30:04.180 their past and that they don't conceptualize themselves. Obviously, communication is a factor

02:30:09.760 there. But the idea is that most animals in studying learn from mistakes. And that's an

02:30:18.860 evolutionary thing in which it's like, oh, I went down here and I got attacked. I made it. So now

02:30:23.760 every time I go down here, I'm going to be very, very cautious. Whereas for us, we can actually

02:30:29.540 conceptualize ourselves with thought. And so that's why in the Germanic language, you have

02:30:36.260 the past ran, you have the present run, and then you have the future will run. And it's such a

02:30:44.340 uniquely Germanic concept. The idea is that I will, I'm conceptualizing my will into an unknown

02:30:53.740 fate. And I think that's where things get really spicy. And it's on purpose that the gods are

02:31:01.780 talking about fate, but that humans are unique in their ability to kind of become nexuses of

02:31:09.640 fate turning, or perhaps vessels of dominion of the gods, and that the gods can enact certain

02:31:19.100 things through our being and and so i think that plays out with asking the gods to witness us

02:31:26.540 to guide us to give us wisdom and all of these things as opposed to animals which kind of again

02:31:33.180 learn from the past and go forth in the present moment and that's a very kind of interesting part

02:31:39.740 of that um uh stanza 18. and um they so they say heat

02:31:55.180 and i think that's interesting so um in the they talk about breath on the god

02:32:03.420 odin so breath gives odin of god um

02:32:13.100 od is like inspiration fury and uh the the the build-up of things and lao is like

02:32:25.260 light or color as oftentimes it's referred to as the coloring the lightness of um

02:32:31.900 The eyes or the body or just the color and the shape is another way you can, you know, look at that in relation to, but I just found it interesting that Bellows used the word heat.

02:32:49.040 um and i think that has more along the lines of blood blood and color um the willful manifestation

02:33:00.120 loather gave now uh i know right now some people are going to start to ask okay well we have odin

02:33:09.460 but what's up with uh hyoner and loather and the truth of this is is i i think that the audiences

02:33:17.420 of the our ancestors knew hyonur and lodur as derivatives of villi and vey but that they

02:33:27.260 might have poetic meanings in correlation to what they're doing right now because remember

02:33:34.300 we would talk about sense hyonur is again the idea of um the formulation of sense

02:33:41.340 Lodr has to do with, again, heat or formulation of shaping. And so I think that these are just

02:33:50.060 derivatives or perhaps names that correlate specifically to that. And that's why I oftentimes

02:34:01.060 refer to Lord Odin as the tripartite of he is one, but when he manifests his will to an end,

02:34:09.540 he is three again that dynamic number um and so he is the three but the three are him

02:34:18.320 and they're enacting themselves on different levels whether and it's like the upper middle

02:34:24.520 and kind of lower level it's the it's the um the cosmic breath of life it is the shaping or

02:34:32.520 formulation. And then it too is like the color and the material, the substance of. And so

02:34:39.180 it creates this strata once again, which is hugely important, especially to most, you know, Aryan

02:34:46.100 stories. And we have a little bit of talk about that in the chat room while we're on the side.

02:34:57.600 Vroomage says, goodly hue, question mark, or divine color, litugotha, is more our ethnic

02:35:08.800 appearance, I'd say, lao heat, or blue veins like a blue stream, lao like laogues, fate

02:35:19.600 effectors color that makes sense still ethnic related blood blue-blooded arians i don't see

02:35:27.520 the connection with blue so much i do see the connections with life and at this point i don't

02:35:40.240 first i don't just get agree disagree i'm certainly as as racially aware as as everybody

02:35:46.240 in the chat. I get it. But that wasn't a necessary distinction to make when this was being written

02:35:53.600 down. There wasn't a lot of other groups of people to juxtapose ourselves to. One of the things that

02:36:02.060 you see with all of these things is the difference between the living and the dead. Mankind is

02:36:07.820 different from dead things because, and you're right, it does absolutely relate to the blood.

02:36:16.240 but to the blood in the sense that it adds color one of the things and swan touched on this with

02:36:21.520 uh blauen earlier when talking about the dwarves blue was always associated with death um

02:36:30.480 death blau uh the the blue of of the corpse the difference is when a corpse has when a body has

02:36:40.640 color that's one of the ways that you know that it's living that's one of the things that you can

02:36:45.280 kind of see most you know most markedly in us and the paler our complexion is you see the difference

02:36:56.240 between you know blood in the cheeks and in the body or they've gone you know they've gone white

02:37:04.240 when the blood runs out or when the blood's drained so the idea of the life blood in it

02:37:10.480 making it vigorous making it life but also the will

02:37:16.480 and i mean animals have primitive will in a you know mate eat

02:37:26.880 you know friend or foe kind of thing but then the real thing

02:37:32.800 um that breath of life the divine spark that odin gives is that which elevates us you know

02:37:43.900 beyond the dead things beyond the levels of living creatures into something that is more

02:37:51.560 than the rest of what occupies earth but less than what the gods are but of something similar

02:37:58.140 It's the warmth and the blood that fills the cheeks.

02:38:06.660 And yeah, I see the comment there,

02:38:08.360 ready cheeks and the warmth associated then.

02:38:10.980 That's what Lao represents.

02:38:12.920 I think so.

02:38:13.700 I think that goes along with the idea of heat.

02:38:16.940 It's like when you're checking somebody to see if they are dead,

02:38:19.960 these are the things you're checking for.

02:38:22.040 In the color, Svan mentions, you know, the light in your eyes.

02:38:25.120 There's a spark in the eyes of something living.

02:38:27.560 it's not present something's dead one of the things that's kind of colloquially colloquially remarked

02:38:36.120 when you look at a corpse

02:38:41.800 the the spark of life and the that the um twinkle in the eye isn't there when you look at

02:38:50.600 a living person there's something in the eye that we pick up on in a very primal way

02:38:55.560 and and i think this is again really beautiful imagery that this puts out on what animating

02:39:03.000 these you know ask and embla these these driftwood pieces

02:39:10.680 the trance the transforming them from dead to living to

02:39:15.000 being full of life and divine spark i think is a really special thing

02:39:18.840 well we find two there's a mention in stanza eight about the the um from far away the giant

02:39:34.340 maidens three huge of might out of jotunheim come and then there's kind of a switch and there may

02:39:39.000 have been an interpolation there but there's a clear and like a return to that or perhaps

02:39:45.880 you know, it was an understood kind of thing, you know, of what was mentioned before.

02:39:56.000 Let me see here, the double checking something.

02:40:03.820 Yeah, that, you know, it's coming again, a mentioning of the name, but let's first go into

02:40:13.080 an ash I know. So again, the

02:40:18.300 Asc and Umbla are given 0.76

02:40:22.900 life and kind of set out. 0.94

02:40:27.320 And then it immediately cuts into an ash I know.

02:40:33.020 Yggdrasil, its name, with water

02:40:36.280 white. Is the great tree wet?

02:40:39.760 thence come the dews that fall in the dales green by earth's well does it ever grow

02:40:49.980 so um a couple of things on this one immediately the ash the utilization of the ash

02:40:58.580 many of us could pick apart when we talk about the concepts of the axis mundi whether the axis

02:41:06.980 mundi is like visualized in the center visualized in the upper and again never really visualized in

02:41:14.180 the lower at all because again the farther and lower things go the dominion of cosmic order

02:41:21.700 starts to dissipate and so what we find is the ash tree i think is very significant to the norse

02:41:30.740 the idea that the possible we talked about this with um with iwaz the rune of the yew tree and

02:41:37.700 the idea that the yew tree had great significance but i think that the ash is specifically chosen

02:41:43.820 because of the root system and the idea of how far spreading the root system is

02:41:49.700 um because that comes into such a great importance as we go but uh an ash i know

02:41:57.600 with water white. This is the sprinkling of the water in relation to when the Norns are spoken

02:42:08.300 of wetting the roots of the tree while in heaven they keep it afresh and anew and dew springs from

02:42:19.040 its leaves. And we talk about this and I kind of correlate that when we talk about ascension

02:42:25.360 and the soul returning that root in the lower world uh in in very elmer that drawing up from

02:42:35.220 the the realm of where the the folk soul is is that the yggdrasil is kind of like an ordering

02:42:41.480 system a a way of um stratifying life and dominion in the realm of the gods and they too can control

02:42:51.020 that happening. The Nornir control it, the gods control it. They oftentimes employ that moment of 0.97

02:42:58.640 when the dew falls from the tree, as I talk of, in relation to the idea of the returning

02:43:06.880 of that soul might from ascension. And so, you know, then comes the dews that fall in the dales.

02:43:17.540 And this is also referring to just the moisture of actual dew.

02:43:24.960 And it's mentioned that it's the spittle of Nani's horse, who is unnamed.

02:43:35.500 A lot of people get it confused with Rimfaxi, which is poetically connected to Not, the heavenly warden of night.

02:43:47.540 Um, but she, uh, so in this part, you know, they're, they're kind of, again, making reference to the, the moisture and the life and the, the things that grow and the things that manifest without being seen.

02:44:01.780 It's, it's very kind of akin to the power of things being unseen and then becoming tangible.

02:44:07.340 and there it is kept evergreen at others brunny erds well and it's mentioned again in the gil

02:44:20.700 forgetting is where that is is in heaven so thus the base of the tree in the center

02:44:28.140 is it's the center of the center it's the middle of heaven and that is entirely

02:44:36.240 connected to everything that goes around it including the middle and the lower and this

02:44:41.800 is where we get into having to extend things too far at some point it because it is not a literal

02:44:49.280 tree at some point you can freak out about literalities of things because it does serve

02:45:02.560 as a connection between all the different worlds but the idea that it's tended it's watered and it's

02:45:08.000 rooted in the divine is very important that it's rooted in the upper and that that goes to these

02:45:15.840 other worlds is is meaningful in and of itself but the more you try to force it into being a literal

02:45:24.560 tree and you start wondering why some pieces are in different places

02:45:31.440 i think you end up doing a disservice if you're not

02:45:35.920 the things that they specifically mention their locations they're specifically making that point

02:45:42.720 for a reason. And that's the things to focus on, I believe. And yeah, that divineness of being the

02:45:52.120 upper and the things that disseminate to the middle and to the lower for reasons and the

02:45:57.740 movements. And we see that a lot in other Aryan stories and mythoses. Again, the striker in

02:46:06.380 manifestation never steps into the underworld unless, you know, it's bad or the end of things.

02:46:12.720 but is fighting things coming out of the earth, the chthonic serpent, if you will. So I think a lot of the desperation towards, you know, making the roots in the lower, all of the roots in the lower loses the entire point of understanding that Yggdrasil is in the upper and manifests much of its power in the whole dynamic of the Nornir and the gods and the counseling seats and the, you know, the watering of the roots is that all of that

02:46:42.720 descends down from the upper world and i think that that is you know very uh arian if we're

02:46:51.200 talking about uh the gods of olympus or or you know high upon the crags and their fate is kind

02:46:58.880 of you know disseminated out or that they gather to witness these things and i think you could make

02:47:04.560 an argument that perhaps snorty is pulling from hellenistic ideas i mean he clearly does numerous

02:47:10.560 times throughout most of the poems um but it's not super clear and yet at the same time because

02:47:18.000 they are branched um families uh of of the europeans you know there's clear parallelisms

02:47:27.520 that are throughout because of the way things are structured so you can't really you know i think

02:47:34.720 split hairs but i think it's again more important to understand where things are and why things are

02:47:39.920 there as opposed to trying to conceptualize that it's standing on four pillars or there's a table

02:47:47.280 or well something else that i think is important and meaningful is you can't

02:47:57.120 a lot of people will approach our lore and our band also true generally

02:48:10.960 as some kind of a literary extrapolation so they're

02:48:17.520 they're treating these things as elements in a story as opposed to an expression of divine truth

02:48:33.840 and the difference may not seem

02:48:41.600 may not seem as obvious but going from

02:48:47.520 All right. Going from the mundane and the debased and trying to build our gods from it is very

02:49:09.280 different and leads to very different conclusions than taking actual gods that exist in the higher

02:49:20.500 in the the astral and trying to understand them so trying to project our stuff onto the gods

02:49:33.880 may in a lot of ways look similar, but the details are really different. When we're trying to go from

02:49:42.300 human baseness and project the gods out from that, it's very different than taking the gods

02:49:50.660 for who the gods are and trying to understand them as best we can, trying to reach up towards

02:49:56.500 them as opposed to trying to bring them down to our level. And that's a really fundamental

02:50:01.740 If you approach our lore as if it's, you know, comic book characters written by, you know, ancient proto Stan Lee, it's a very different thing than trying to realize that our ancestors were trying to express higher truths of the gods in a way that would make sense to Vulcan with images.

02:50:31.740 imagery that people would understand. And just thinking about that as a touchstone every

02:50:38.660 time something doesn't make sense or every time you want to make a leap, err on the side

02:50:45.580 of trying to understand the gods as opposed to trying to project a story. And I think

02:50:51.280 it would, it would help a lot. Well, and to go into the etymology a little bit, I saw on the,

02:51:05.120 on the side here, Yggdrasil, the horse of Odin. Again, the Yggdrasil is Yggdrasil is one of the

02:51:18.480 haiti of lord odin and it means the terrible or the awesome the kind of fear or emotional 0.94

02:51:29.200 responding sense of like that you're you're dealing with something of great power and uh

02:51:35.840 drassil is kind of a combination of thrumming or repetition or uh hoof beats if you will and

02:51:46.880 and the idea that Yggdrasil is being referred to as Odin's horse.

02:51:53.200 And that is clearly in correlation to Odin upon Yggdrasil in heaven attaining the runes

02:52:04.200 and traveling beyond the reaches of even the gods

02:52:08.960 and finding out things of great importance beyond even some of their capabilities.

02:52:15.440 And so it's like his riding of the horse. I think that's really important as to another reason why Yggdrasil is this place, this center point of heaven becomes a focal point for the gods to commit their acts of regency over things in the middle, but also what they're doing in the upper.

02:52:40.700 Some of the stuff that they're doing there involves, again, learning and growing and encapsulating ideas.

02:52:50.400 Yeah.

02:52:52.040 But they brought up a point.

02:52:53.780 Is Yggdrasil the folk or the soul of the folk?

02:52:59.820 I think that, I mean, we can start to look at the analogous of is Baldur the folk soul?

02:53:05.220 Is Yggdrasil the folk soul?

02:53:06.660 I think one of the key things about Yggdrasil is that it's deeply rooted in the primordial and the unknown, even to the point where the death of a Asa on the tree allows him to infuse his soul into the reaches of where it goes, is kind of what is being played out there.

02:53:28.740 is the idea that Odin and Yggdrasil become one

02:53:32.720 and the roots so deep and the roots so far

02:53:35.860 and the mysteries of it so unknown

02:53:38.320 that he sees the orchestrated beginning

02:53:43.180 of all elements coming together.

02:53:45.840 Well, I'd like to just kind of touch on something

02:53:48.740 on the side too that I think is really relevant.

02:53:51.260 And we're laying down a lot of foundational things

02:53:53.880 in this episode and I think that's appropriate.

02:53:56.720 I know it's taken us a while to get through

02:53:59.340 a relatively small amount of text but it's not text it's text explaining you know the

02:54:06.540 fundamentals of existence so i think it's really important um real mage is over in the chat

02:54:17.340 taking some

02:54:18.140 far extrapolations and i want to comment on that because i don't

02:54:28.700 i think we just need to be clear in our heads um

02:54:39.260 recognizing commonality in things that you've experienced in things in your life

02:54:46.140 in things in history with pieces of our lord is completely and totally legitimate

02:54:53.420 appropriate and we all should do that there is a difference between that and

02:55:01.580 supposing that that was the intent of the writer of the poetry if that makes sense

02:55:09.820 So, for example, Vroomage made a point about, shoot, now it's lost back in the thing, I've got to scroll back, but basically about Yggdrasil and how that's an ash and ask also means ash.

02:55:30.800 So maybe Yggdrasil is asked from the earlier stanza, as in the folk soul of our people, that Odin can work through and do stuff.

02:55:42.940 That doesn't have to have been the intent of the poet to be a meaningful revelation.

02:55:51.440 that certainly it's referred to that Odin rides through the souls of men.

02:55:59.160 He rides through our souls, through our dreams.

02:56:01.120 He animates our souls.

02:56:02.880 We see that reinforced in our lore time and time again.

02:56:06.540 And if that's a poetic way that's meaningful to you to illustrate that

02:56:11.540 or personify that, that's completely appropriate.

02:56:14.560 I don't think we see that as a textural thing there,

02:56:17.920 but we certainly see that when we talk about Odin literally breathing inspiration

02:56:22.280 and the breath of life into our ancestor.

02:56:26.620 What kind of tree people are made out of versus the same kind of tree as Yggdrasil

02:56:33.200 becomes a redundancy at that point.

02:56:37.000 So any of these things, if they're inspiring meaningful thoughts to you, cool.

02:56:42.460 just like the thing i said about the blueness of you know arian nobility having blue blood and this

02:56:48.780 and that no i don't think that's what the text was saying because there was no context for it

02:56:53.820 there is context for it now and there is context for it in your life certainly the whole point is

02:57:00.540 the creation of us and because we're a folk faith not the creation of other groups of people other

02:57:07.980 races of people but ours so if you associate distinctively you know arian qualities to that

02:57:17.420 after the fact that's also completely legitimate and i'm i don't mean to take away from that at

02:57:23.660 all so please don't get that from anything that that i'm saying in response to your questions

02:57:30.220 and that that kind of brings back to what you were saying about the perennial truth

02:57:34.940 and kind of also what i was saying is that the intention of the audience at the time and the

02:57:40.300 speaker of the time also has layers that are relevant to even us today in relation to the

02:57:48.300 way that we perceive them again the ash of ask and embla and then the ash of yggdrasil and then

02:57:55.900 to oh then being the bear the giver of the soul and also bearing upon it older or inspiration

02:58:03.100 that has a lot of power it's legitimate connecting again and i think that's some of the stuff that

02:58:10.700 is really good about our lore is that our lore isn't in like completely it's everyone's arguing

02:58:18.860 over the translations in christianity because it's supposed to be infallible and uh beyond

02:58:25.820 uh reproach but yet you have all of these kind of uh you know translations whereas ours comes

02:58:33.020 off as it is a perennial truth story uh that has its merit in many different ways for many

02:58:42.200 different reasons and that's i think an honest approach to metanarratives that some other

02:58:47.900 religions don't uh take on so there's one more question that's relating to this stanza so i want

02:58:56.120 hit that before we move on um also from vril mage uh horse and drums question mark germanic

02:59:04.520 shamanism question mark what our word was for that whatever our word was for that

02:59:13.640 do you have anything to add on that i really from where i'm sitting don't other than i know

02:59:20.760 that the horse is a common drum motif that i've seen and i don't know how modern or ancient that

02:59:27.800 is well and that's kind of i'm kind of doing something in relation to that i i'm i'm uh

02:59:36.280 i'm looking i'm looking at i'm looking it up because i was i was thinking like man we

02:59:43.320 of course we compound words i talked about compounding words and splitting things up so

02:59:48.040 So, you know, looking up Drazil by itself is an interesting point to kind of see if there's anything in relation.

02:59:59.180 It's not always the case, but I was looking for it, and, you know, I'm in Draumer.

03:00:07.400 I'm in the dreams right now.

03:00:11.540 I just want to say that's the point of connectivity.

03:00:13.780 um again i don't think that's what's put forward by the by the poem but i do think okay so

03:00:23.100 i'm gonna go on i'm gonna go on a tangent here and uh as a as a favor to swan while he does his

03:00:31.540 research but not really i think i want to wax poetic on this and um for cayman jacks in so

03:00:42.500 one of the things to think about is how divine truth was given to our ancestors

03:00:51.160 it's a process and we don't have the story in our lore or do nor do we claim to

03:01:00.120 that, you know, Odin visited Olaf in a cave

03:01:08.300 and magically inspired him to write down something.

03:01:14.660 You know, Sven didn't go up on a mountain somewhere

03:01:19.180 and Odin, like, write stuff himself on some tablets and give it to him.

03:01:25.940 we don't have that moment in our lore and i don't it's because that's not how it's worked for our

03:01:34.860 folk realistically when and and that's the thing is tracing it back in your head when did that

03:01:41.620 happen where did this originally come from very likely these stories evolved over time

03:01:51.180 as truths were unveiled to ancient Gothar over periods of time,

03:02:00.100 through inspiration, through dreams, through visions,

03:02:06.420 through moments of divine clarity.

03:02:11.280 Because it's not...

03:02:15.180 There's probably some really fancy seminary terms for this

03:02:20.860 that i don't have there's a difference between something that a god wrote versus something that

03:02:28.380 a god dictated exactly versus something that was inspired from the gods our lore is certainly

03:02:36.460 inspired from the gods but as has always been the case and as is the case this evening gothar of our

03:02:45.340 folk guided by their experience by their interactions with the gods by piety have

03:02:56.860 compiled things and built upon things to illustrate truths that have proven themselves

03:03:05.180 self-evident in the souls of our leaders since the dawn of time and i think that

03:03:10.540 that that's true and it's perennial to us in the sense that it recurs we see these things happening

03:03:18.920 a lot of times when you see coincidence and synchronicities happening they're not just

03:03:26.200 random they're reflections of inherent truths that maybe get discovered in different ways or

03:03:33.800 at different times but finding these points of connectivities and i think the idea of horses on

03:03:43.960 on drums when you're doing a shamanic as it's called sometimes faring forth experience to

03:03:51.320 travel to the worlds i think that harkens back to that fundamental truth in a different way

03:03:59.080 but I don't think it was the intention per se of the poet who compiled this but

03:04:07.600 these things come up again and again because the truth speaks in our folk

03:04:11.920 soul and our gods speak to us some of us can hear them clearer than others

03:04:17.620 sometimes they speak to certain people louder than they speak to others but

03:04:22.540 it's a living relationship yeah i'm still uh i went through the uh

03:04:39.820 old norse dictionary and i went through some other another old book that i have here on

03:04:44.700 old icelandic and um i'm not finding it so that's interesting i really want to see that

03:04:50.460 that etymology and make sure because you know in reference to the horse when you go online but

03:04:56.780 sometimes looking in and double checking multiple sources could be again uh analogous of something

03:05:05.100 else um you know uh it's interesting when you look up like the yew tree versus uh the terrible

03:05:16.540 one versus things that are folded all of them have very similar uh linguistic structures so it's

03:05:24.060 like i'm always like kind of double checking triple checking to make sure and i haven't quite

03:05:29.900 gotten it so i'm gonna have to look up that more as we go especially just about the etymology but

03:05:37.660 but I couldn't find anything simply as Drassil.

03:05:41.420 So, but let's see.

03:05:44.560 We are on stanza 20.

03:05:50.640 Three mighty maidens, or three maidens. 0.90

03:05:53.860 Thence comes the maidens, mighty in wisdom. 0.87

03:05:58.320 Three from the dwelling down underneath the tree.

03:06:04.100 Earth is one named.

03:06:05.600 and oh well i'll say the whole stanza and then i'll get to that earth is one named verdandi the

03:06:11.680 next on the wood they scored and scald the third laws they made there and life allotted

03:06:21.520 to the sons of men and set their fates so one of the things that i think is really important to

03:06:30.080 understand in those first two lines is the dwelling beneath the tree i believe is when the

03:06:36.320 nornir set themselves up in heaven when they set themselves at the base of the tree there it's kind

03:06:43.760 of hinting towards the idea that they they live underneath it like under perhaps like in a a cave

03:06:52.640 or a housing structure of sorts underneath the splitting roots they have set themselves up there

03:07:00.560 because they're already mentioned before in verse 8 but now we're starting to see that they have

03:07:06.080 established themselves there um and who exactly they are is what we're going into now so you know

03:07:14.880 uh earth named is one so earth is of course it's the the primordial start the old of things and i

03:07:31.040 think that really correlates again to fate and time and how weird orlog and the marking of time

03:07:39.040 The marking of time is really just chronologically measuring fate or destiny or that which is coming into being.

03:07:55.140 Time, in a way, is very much the verdhandi of all that has happened in the past.

03:08:00.280 And those two create the debt.

03:08:05.300 Skold is debt.

03:08:09.040 a price to be paid in essence that our deeds create a result and those results

03:08:17.680 correlate to other things. And eventually, you know, it's, it's kind of, again, a building of

03:08:23.180 it. I think that I can't remember who stated it, but they were, they were talking about weird as

03:08:29.380 like if you, if you ride a horse, then you're more likely to fall than someone who never rides a

03:08:36.020 horse. And so the understanding of it is, is the deeds you commit, the life you live, the people

03:08:43.720 you surround yourself with allocate you towards destinies and what that can bear forth. So if

03:08:50.300 you surround yourself with, you know, failure or misery or depression or what have you, then the

03:08:58.460 outcomes of that fate and that destiny is often what, you know, that's what kind of fruits will

03:09:05.040 that bear. And so, um, this is, uh, I, the, how I take this kind of, this stanzas about the setting

03:09:15.420 the fates of men. Um, some people, this is the one that really gets people into the argument of

03:09:21.740 free will versus destiny or fatalism. And, um, uh, I think some fatalists believe that will is

03:09:31.180 again in essence just a smaller part of the overall measurement of everything um the inevitable as it

03:09:40.020 is to come um but it is worth noting that by name alone earth is the old other verdandi is that which

03:09:49.420 is coming into being right now so kind of like a it's not present it's seen as coming out of

03:09:58.980 everything that has happened before it and then scold is not the future it's the debt of your

03:10:05.760 deeds so she is you know mother scold is as the the the um the plots on the unknown that you end

03:10:17.720 up weaving towards and i think that's really their true power um and the the laws uh again

03:10:25.680 And there they laid the laws.

03:10:33.900 And again, I think this is a point of cosmic order.

03:10:39.100 I know we're using Romanish words or Latinish words, but I think that that's where we're talking about the laws of everything descending from the upper realm.

03:10:48.240 So naturally, everything's going to gravitate towards either being in alignment or opposed to the central axis of the gods.

03:10:55.820 so one of the other things that i think is fundamental

03:11:00.700 the concept of a debt created by action certainly and also just

03:11:09.100 the name should you know not what's going to happen but what is projected

03:11:16.380 by the first two of the Nornir.

03:11:26.300 What came before what is currently happening as a result

03:11:31.320 and where that's headed.

03:11:34.820 And I think that there is profound currents

03:11:38.640 set into play by actions that lead towards

03:11:42.040 a certain fate or a certain destiny,

03:11:46.140 but again if we and this goes back to a similar thing and i'm not expressing it as cleanly as i'd

03:11:55.820 like oh fate well what that means is i don't have free will and you don't have choice and everything's

03:12:03.580 just predestined therefore our ancestors must have believed that doesn't make any sense but they must 0.81

03:12:10.300 to because that's what the word means therefore that's how these silly ancient people did religion 0.58

03:12:18.860 instead if we understand that our ancestors are real people practicing an actual faith

03:12:27.340 that exists that makes sense human beings know that doesn't make sense

03:12:35.340 they realize that free will has to have an interplay it's preposterous to think otherwise

03:12:43.520 no one has ever thought otherwise different groups of i say that some some christian groups

03:12:53.660 have thought otherwise because they've had to do the mental gymnastics i talked to i talked about

03:12:59.580 the beginning of the show but we all know that free will plays a role like you can do any

03:13:08.700 experiment on your own right now just to like you know quick scratch your ear ah did the norms decree

03:13:15.100 that and it becomes silly very quickly but it doesn't when you look at the idea of

03:13:23.020 the directionality of what has happened leading to what is currently being experienced

03:13:29.580 And by those two combined, a projection towards a likely outcome if you stay that course.

03:13:39.880 Without free will, there's no real context to existence.

03:13:45.120 And there's certainly no such thing as heroism or cowardice if there's no free will.

03:13:49.680 And we know that both of those things were extremely important to our ancestors.

03:13:59.580 that i the the subject of of this of destiny and free will is an interesting one and i i really

03:14:12.140 love i also i yeah completely slipping my you know mind was yeah the the the should

03:14:21.500 scald that which is that that correlation between it's it's um verdandi is that the choke point

03:14:30.320 between all of the deeds that you're heading towards and all of the deeds that have passed

03:14:35.980 you and again that i think the component of that singular threshold that everything's passing

03:14:44.020 through is your your will which was given to us by the gods so well and one of the things that's

03:14:53.380 worth considering and i've talked about this a lot before when we've talked about um

03:15:01.380 weird and orlog as concepts

03:15:05.780 there are people who are dealt a really crappy hand

03:15:09.140 their ancestors have laid down terrible things in the well various other things have happened to

03:15:18.400 where they you know are crippled either in mind or in body or born into a terrible family or an

03:15:25.940 impoverished horrible situation they are directed towards failure and inglorious nothingness and

03:15:35.420 worthlessness if they are able to overcome that current through heroic action and through will

03:15:44.620 to power to make themselves something better that is heroic and worthy of saga and that leaves a

03:15:51.180 better orlog for their descendants that presents itself due to that situation we typically think

03:15:59.180 of destiny as something great that you're destined towards and i i wish that for all of our folk

03:16:04.860 but often that's not the case there's some and we've seen this this is one of the biggest things

03:16:11.260 that rankles me um one

03:16:20.380 one gift that's sometimes a curse i suppose

03:16:26.780 that i have in some ways been blessed with in my experiences i'll say

03:16:30.700 Terry Gophie is, I can see potential in people, and I can see where they might lead, or what,

03:16:46.560 sometimes I have a glimpse of a certain amount of greatness in certain people and to see people

03:16:57.520 not embrace their destiny when I know the potential is there is tragic. To see people

03:17:06.280 that aren't necessarily destined for greatness overcome and make themselves amazing is really

03:17:14.320 awesome to see it's very difficult to watch people that you see a tremendous potential in

03:17:24.400 and then watch them squander it for a variety of reasons but i think we all see that sometimes to

03:17:33.120 one degree or another we see somebody that has that are on a trajectory towards greatness

03:17:39.760 that have are just brimming forth with a quality that you know is capable of such amazing things

03:17:48.640 but especially in the world we live in in the wolf age we see people get off track on that

03:17:56.260 quite a bit and not get to achieve their destiny so again there's a projected path and I've talked

03:18:05.000 about this as a fundamental to magic practice for a long time to attract synchronicities to you

03:18:14.980 through consistent right action aligns you with weird and aligns you with opportunities towards

03:18:22.800 destiny and if your destiny's crap then you want to look for opportunities to nudge that the right

03:18:31.660 direction and nudge that to something better if your destiny is amazing then you want to see when 0.56

03:18:38.220 those opportunities present themselves and capitalize with and that that site the ability

03:18:45.340 to see those moments and to seize them is a fundamental in somebody's um magical efficacy of

03:18:54.780 their might. So this is something we are, so now we're at, we're on verse 20 and we've got the last

03:19:16.100 five as we're going to 25. So really starting to dial in. This is again,

03:19:22.820 of the um the alignment between uh cosmic order and natural law and uh the great um

03:19:35.860 uh interplay between i think chthonic forces of natural

03:19:41.300 instinct versus loftier, more pronounced ideas above, you know, the needs and desires of just

03:19:53.920 the individual or the heart or the emotional self. In stanza 21,

03:20:01.600 uh the the war i remember the first in the world when the gods with spears had smitten gold they 0.99

03:20:15.800 gold lust or gold thurster and in the hall of whore had burned her whore of course being a 0.72

03:20:25.820 or Haur, is how it's, it says H-O-R, but it's not, it's Haur in the Old Norse, H-A with a dash over 0.96

03:20:35.000 it, R-S, Haur, the high one, Odin's Hall, three times burned, three times born, often again, 0.56

03:20:46.680 yet ever she lives. So this is where we start to, again, in the Gilfaginning, 0.64

03:20:53.740 There's more of elaboration on this, but this is the point in which Golvay comes from the middle world up into the heavens.

03:21:07.240 and here she brings with her i i think the intent is absolutely to see if how the might of the gods

03:21:16.700 is and to not face the might of the gods in in uh war or in testament of strength she's bringing

03:21:26.960 something else there's a cunning sense and again i think that interplays with an idea of chthonic

03:21:32.600 powers is that they have a tendency to work subtly and they don't work with will and they

03:21:38.260 don't work with might and they don't work. They work more through, again, a passiveness. And this

03:21:45.620 can apply in a lot of things. This could be the interplay between masculine manifestation and

03:21:51.180 feminine, I guess, manifestation, but through perhaps passive means. But there's also an

03:22:00.180 interplay between natural law and cosmic order. Natural law is cyclical. It's a wave. It's an up

03:22:06.580 and a down. There's cycles and circles. Cosmic order I always kind of associated with either

03:22:12.400 being more like a pillar or like an arch. And the idea of the eternal either holding its position

03:22:18.820 or arcing over the waves of time. And so that's really what is kind of coming into the interplay

03:22:27.180 here. And of course, they're making clear, you know, points of interest, especially with the

03:22:34.540 being thrice born of the fire, burned, pierced by the spears, because if anyone's familiar with

03:22:41.560 the story, and that's another thing worth noting, is the Volospow is referencing other poems

03:22:48.540 constantly. I don't know. I mean, obviously, we've said this a couple times, but I guess it's to make

03:22:53.600 it clear. And so it is a condensed version with leanings towards and was referred to often in

03:23:01.720 like the Guildfaginning where they would say a stanza from another poem. And this really did

03:23:09.420 create an interplay or a network of poetry that allowed poets to kind of pull from other things

03:23:18.320 or in essence kind of forced them to learn more than just the one one thing because they were all

03:23:24.960 kind of intertwined and and could didn't really stand on their own um but uh here we have um

03:23:35.920 as she you know she comes into the halls of the god she comes into the hall of

03:23:39.680 of uh howard the high one um you know she's branded on spears she's she's uh

03:23:50.960 thrown into the fire and she's born anew she becomes she goes through this process

03:23:57.280 and then she is known by her her heighty then is is uh he the the shining one um

03:24:04.240 And here's it's truly interesting. I love this. This verse is heath. They named her who sought their home, the wide seeing which in magic wise minds she bewitched that were moved by her magic to evil women, a joy she was.

03:24:27.920 so one of the things that's really interesting is they call her heave and um again the process

03:24:37.560 of the of the burning but it's worth knowing too that like um the uh the volu or the she's a volva

03:24:47.920 is well, she is well-versed and wide-seeing of many things. She's wise, or vithihon ganda,

03:24:59.100 ganda is magic. It's like, it's, it's, yeah, that understanding. She is

03:25:07.020 a friend of those who are of the mind of like ill or towards what i think is really being

03:25:19.060 portrayed here is the difference between creating willful manifestation and deed to people who seek

03:25:25.780 to kind of hedge things in their favor and that is um again i think uh very very allegoric to

03:25:33.880 Golvey and process of greed, the idea of the, the bending and shaping towards your fortune or

03:25:41.380 your favor in your way. And I think again, to, to contextualize, um, uh, like her two evil women,

03:25:57.780 um it's mentioned in the in the old norse uh translation as and so it's again that's not

03:26:12.860 the uh because hon is is is women but uh like she bewitches or turns people's minds towards things 0.57

03:26:24.260 they they seek to gain and again through perhaps deception or turning fate to hedge fortune towards

03:26:32.920 you without manifesting i think is um what is ultimately being said but it's going through the

03:26:39.960 mode of witchcraft and and women doing things in this kind of more mystical or what we often

03:26:47.280 joke around and say is like the the uh you know the the hoodoo or the women the women's

03:26:53.700 Spooky girl magic. 1.00

03:26:56.000 Spooky girl magic.

03:26:57.280 That's it.

03:26:58.340 Spooky girl magic.

03:27:01.440 Is I think the direct reference that they're pulling towards.

03:27:04.220 But I really find a lot of connection between Golvey in the lusting for gold or the thirsting for gold.

03:27:13.100 And that this is kind of referencing towards the usage of spinning fate to turn towards benefit without manifesting by will.

03:27:25.340 And that's what seems to be kind of laid out in these stanzas as they juxtapose each other.

03:27:32.260 There are people that mark the fates.

03:27:34.660 The fates of man are marked by their deeds.

03:27:37.520 But Golvey is often sought for those who do not wish to manifest their deeds. 0.96

03:27:42.440 They attempt to twist things in their favor.

03:27:52.800 Yeah, and then so this next part is interesting

03:27:56.420 because we speak of in verse 23,

03:28:00.080 on the host his spear did Othin hurl.

03:28:06.980 So I think this one is really interesting.

03:28:12.440 in that he as the lord odin throwing his spear over the army they're referencing now the battle

03:28:23.600 that becomes of this in other in the other um stories and in the guild forgetting we understand

03:28:28.980 that with gulve being slain three times and then she flees the hall um it's then that the the gods

03:28:41.020 of above realize that this act is not going to be met kindly by the Vanir. And this I think 0.91

03:28:50.380 really does start to show some of the kind of political machinations that our ancestors at the

03:28:57.560 time would really understand is, you know, this, this person comes in, they cause a lot of trouble

03:29:03.020 and you deal with that person. And then you have to deal with the repercussions again,

03:29:08.380 because they don't know uh the reasons why you did it or perhaps they they do know you you at

03:29:17.460 this point it's like well we've committed to this now is the time for war and i think this is

03:29:22.380 ultimately um that alignment of cosmic uh order and and natural law is inevitable actions that

03:29:32.380 bear forth what is to come. So, you know, over the host, Odin throws his spear. And I think

03:29:43.220 this is again to a reference to the idea of throwing a spear at your enemies and saying

03:29:49.000 that, you know, the victory, the gods of victory, the god of victory, and your souls are, you know,

03:29:55.380 they're owned um by him and i think that was a practice that was probably known well especially

03:30:04.340 by the upper crust of society who fought the wars the uh the nobility were expected to you know

03:30:11.540 show up on the battlefields and i think that in a lot of ways these poems are directed greatly

03:30:16.100 towards them and this was clearly a sign that a war was about to begin and um uh so odin hurls his

03:30:26.820 his spear over the the vanir as they come and uh the wall that is you know girdles the god's home

03:30:36.400 is broken so you know then in the world did the first war come the wall that girdled the gods was

03:30:42.980 broken and the field by the warlike wanes was trodden now it's worth noting to the um the

03:30:49.140 vanir the wanes they use the word wane which is really really cool it's an old english word and

03:30:54.640 it means again denoting towards natural law cycles the rise and ultimately the fall this cyclical

03:31:02.680 nature of growing big and receding or going forward and falling back or going up and going

03:31:08.980 down. The Vanir, the name of the Vanir is the waning ones or the ones that wane. They go up,

03:31:16.100 they come down, they go out, they come in. Everything is cyclical in their relation.

03:31:21.860 And so the idea is outside of Ausgard, in the fields, in the world outside, there is a great

03:31:29.720 war outside of that place. Again, kind of noting to the idea that heaven is more than just Ausgard

03:31:36.980 and that the gods battle with them and the walls of the heavenly abode of the gods is broken.

03:31:48.120 And, of course, this, again, leads towards another story of the rebuilding of the walls.

03:31:57.760 But it's interesting.

03:31:59.420 So in verse 24, then sought the gods their assembly seats.

03:32:05.220 The holy ones

03:32:07.740 And counsel held

03:32:09.240 Whether the gods should tribute give

03:32:12.040 Or to all alike

03:32:13.920 Should worship belong

03:32:15.360 That I think

03:32:17.300 Is really interesting

03:32:19.220 Because this again starts the spread

03:32:21.940 Of

03:32:22.560 The unification 1.00

03:32:25.440 Of the Vanir and the 1.00

03:32:27.300 And the Aesir 1.00

03:32:28.420 Become

03:32:30.680 Known as a singular

03:32:33.460 Entity at this point

03:32:35.140 the of course we know the stories of the tribute and of mimir and his head being uh lost and placed

03:32:42.440 in the or you know being severed and placed in the well and all of that but this the one i think

03:32:47.880 too contextualizes it really well the gods gathered a council and i think this is more

03:32:53.540 also to referring to the vanir and the and the esir coming to a peace council realizing that

03:32:59.620 either side needs to be aligned, not oversought to each other. And when they do so,

03:33:06.840 they create the whole of the gods that we as folk honor. And it's clearly seen from there on out.

03:33:14.880 It's mentioned numerous times in which, you know, Freya is referred to as a Vanadis,

03:33:20.880 but then Freya is also referred to as the brightest or most beloved of the Aos.

03:33:25.580 so that the word and usage of of um gods or god is given to both but i think it's worth noting

03:33:37.120 that if you think of the vanir as the waning ones it shows which correlation where they come from

03:33:45.340 do they come from natural law or do they come from cosmic order and i think that's a better way

03:33:52.660 of looking at them and how they come into alignment together.

03:34:01.520 That's something that's confusing to a lot of people.

03:34:04.500 I had a guy I was speaking to just the other day ask me about that.

03:34:12.740 People think that there is a distinction between Isir and Vanir and...

03:34:22.820 there's no real evidence that that was ever the case in the historical period pretty much

03:34:28.900 as soon as they are mentioned they talk about this war it is resolved and from that point on

03:34:36.660 they're they're icier um that

03:34:42.500 but it's enough to cause confusion because again again i think people

03:34:49.540 are reading it as a

03:34:55.300 work of fiction i think cheapens it but they're exploring it as a literary

03:35:04.240 pursuit and not a religious pursuit and i think those are two really different ways to try to

03:35:10.780 make sense of the story the truth here isn't about you know

03:35:17.840 woodsy old wise gods fighting shiny new you know

03:35:27.620 Aryan horse lords and like how that works out no the truth is about as Swan has mentioned many

03:35:38.220 times tonight about the reconciling between cosmic order and natural law and how they fit 0.97

03:35:46.680 and merged with one another to form an ordered existence.

03:35:59.400 Now, there is something that we see again

03:36:02.840 that happens a lot in the Volespao

03:36:04.400 is that the beginning verses of sections of the poem

03:36:14.120 begin to repeat.

03:36:15.140 And again, that was part of the tempo, if you will, the music of the poem.

03:36:25.380 And so a lot of times you will see, like, then the gods sought their assembly seats, then sought the gods their assembly seats, or, you know, at Nipah's cave, Garmer sits at Nipah's cave.

03:36:39.560 There's this repetitive sense. And again, I think that it's worth for the readers to know that it's greatly about setting a tone.

03:36:51.400 It doesn't always translate out in the Old Norse, but the idea of it repeating itself in order to gain that semblance of tempo is important.

03:37:02.080 And, you know, it says, you know, then sought the gods, their assembly seats, the holy ones and council held to find who with venom the air had filled or or had given Freya to the giants.

03:37:18.800 And so there is a lot of arguments around the idea that there may have been something lost or there might have been a line that didn't quite translate here very well in relation to a story of Freyja being taken by the Jotnar as opposed to being threatened to be taken.

03:37:46.480 and that there might be, I'm not saying a mistranslation,

03:37:54.220 but a contexting that's kind of wrong or out of place here.

03:37:58.720 Either there's a story that perhaps did exist in which Freyja was taken by Jotnar,

03:38:06.000 but we do have, of course, the story of Idun or Iduna being taken.

03:38:11.700 But in this case, Oath's bride is very specific towards the relation of Freyja.

03:38:17.540 And we know in the Gilfaginning that one of the key components of the unification of the gods is that Njordr and his children, the lord and the lady, come with him to the gods. 0.95

03:38:33.580 And there comes in the peril of the Yotnar trying to, again, remove the linchpin of natural law in order to disrupt and change things. 0.88

03:38:45.480 And this one, as far as context, is always – I'm still chewing this one up, if you will, in relation to perhaps they're referring to, again, the wall. 0.95

03:39:04.140 And one of the prices that the Jotunar, who is not known as a Jotun yet, is he asks for the spark or the sun and the spark of Muspelheim and the moon and Freyja.

03:39:25.180 And so, you know, this part here is to find with, I guess, I don't know, it's intent or malice, if you will, I guess would be another good version of this, to find with malice the one that stole Freya.

03:39:52.360 But to what story that might be alluding to is still kind of up to debate.

03:40:01.300 And I hate to end it on that one being, you know, again, but stanza 26, which we'll go into next time, is making, again, reference to the rebuilding of heaven,

03:40:18.400 rebuilding the walls, rebuilding the heavenly might after the war and this peace that is made.

03:40:26.980 But it doesn't go into great detail because clearly she's, the Vola is stating her knowledge,

03:40:35.260 letting Lord Odin know that she has seen all things or has seen how things have come to pass.

03:40:42.820 So she's still in the state of establishing her power and lore.

03:40:47.540 And ultimately, what this is, is allowing the poet to go through and quickly kind of reference other parts of the stories as they go.

03:40:59.940 All right. Well, that is what it is.

03:41:08.060 And I think that, you know, being honest is better than not being.

03:41:12.480 um it's odd and it's mentioned as being odd in most you know even early notes on the text

03:41:21.540 and some things doesn't don't get to us in you know it's amazing that we have what we have from

03:41:31.380 900 years ago so the fact that some of it comes down in in a less than perfect form i don't think

03:41:40.820 should be should be shocking in any way um but with that we're going to be excited to get back

03:41:47.700 to that next week and until we do we have a couple of uh a couple of questions that we didn't hit

03:41:54.420 tonight we tried to hit the ones that were directly related to the text as they came up

03:41:59.460 a couple of them came in a little bit after we'd moved on um like this one this was a question

03:42:05.380 very early on from Romage. Leeks represent something important. Fertility. Yes. Are you

03:42:14.080 aware of a correlation between leeks and fertility? We talked a little bit about their healing

03:42:19.640 connotations. Yes, the sprouting of the leek. The breaking forth, the shoots coming out of the

03:42:29.600 ground absolutely have kind of a correlation to vitality and strength. And just, again,

03:42:39.160 you can find clear connotations to the idea of that which is, you know, sprouting up and sprouting

03:42:45.220 to life green and, you know, viciously seeking life and vitality.

03:42:51.720 um the next one uh which was also very early on i'm trying to see if i see him in the chat i don't

03:43:02.520 right now i'm not sure if the wolf throne is still with us tonight but he asked uh matins

03:43:07.560 fawn was hoping you could clear something up for me uh i keep seeing these proto-indo-european

03:43:15.560 historians claim that the word Aryan refers to Indo-Iranians and not white people. Tom

03:43:23.080 Roussel specifically says the only evidence for white people who actually referred to

03:43:29.200 themselves as Aryans is the steppe people who invaded India. My knowledge of this is

03:43:35.580 small, and I wanted to know if there is any more historical evidence of white people referring

03:43:41.540 to themselves as Aryans in ancient times, whether that evidence is archaeological, linguistic,

03:43:47.620 et cetera. Thanks. So I'm kind of surprised that Roussel would say that because it's

03:44:00.420 it's one of those things it's very hard to do research on topics that have been canceled

03:44:14.820 and it's one of the this may seem like an odd aside but it's relevant to this

03:44:22.900 my wife and i were looking into childhood vaccinations um when we had aubrey a few years

03:44:28.740 ago and i'd never really noticed just how bad that google

03:44:39.140 like sensors information until then we didn't really have a dog in the fight we were genuinely

03:44:46.420 new parents who were very concerned and curious and didn't know what to do

03:44:50.500 and we're looking into it try googling any kind of anti-vax information

03:44:59.460 because we found it was absolutely impossible um every time you tried to look at the other

03:45:05.700 side of the story you were immediately redirected to how vaccination's awesome you need max

03:45:11.860 vaccination here's the cdc's website it was impossible to even see the argument of the

03:45:20.020 other team because it was something so incongruent with the powers that be wanted us to find out

03:45:30.740 and that's a similar thing to this if you google and try to find stuff about the word arian

03:45:39.300 you immediately get all these disclaimers that it's a disproven absurd

03:45:45.300 racist theory from earlier times has been completely debunked. No, it hasn't. Not at all.

03:45:55.600 Up until it became politically incorrect to think so, one of the ancient uses of

03:46:02.380 white people referring to themselves as Aryan is Ireland.

03:46:07.620 And you can kind of Google that to backtrace it on like what the root of

03:46:13.740 ire is in irish and you can find that it etymologically goes back to erios and goes

03:46:25.360 back to pair erios or whatever in proto-indo-european you can backtrace that and try to extrapolate

03:46:33.820 but that was an interesting point um in earlier text because it illustrated at in ancient times

03:46:42.820 the furthest expanses of uh aryan peoples and it was interesting it was under a

03:46:54.180 it's a book i i think the first time i came in contact with the idea was a book i read called

03:46:58.980 deep ancestors and it talked about something called the zealotry of the fringe and how when

03:47:04.900 people migrate traditionally the people at the farthest ends of the migration

03:47:09.380 hold on the most tightly to the ancient traditions because they're removed from their ancestral lands

03:47:16.780 so that's what they have to take with them and it was a really interesting linguistic point that

03:47:22.360 iran and ireland both in the language of those countries means land of the arians now

03:47:32.640 if you try to look that up straight out it will tell you something completely different

03:47:38.560 or it will tell you that this is a debunked theory that people had back when everybody was

03:47:42.560 racist before they were woke but if you but if you look and you look at the at the roots of it

03:47:49.360 you see that a lot you see arian at the root of the word aristocracy an aristocrat and that was

03:47:56.800 a word that you know greeks would certainly self-identify with quite often um

03:48:03.600 yes you see that it refers to indo-iranian people because if you trace that back yes it refers to

03:48:15.040 the white people that conquered india and iran in very ancient times and were still represented

03:48:23.120 and are to some degree in to this day and age in their in their highest classes or their noble

03:48:28.640 classes because it's a it's a reflection of that ancient migratory conquerors that dominated that

03:48:35.440 part of asia and that's just that's just true and there's no there's nothing to make it untrue

03:48:45.840 except for it became unpopular because

03:48:49.040 it was a terminology very popular in germany during the third reich and before

03:48:59.240 it was also the word that was used in the entire western and most of the eastern world world to

03:49:08.040 understand the ancient origins of our people and it just was was commonly understood it's a word

03:49:14.320 that um if you watch i think it was yogananda um but he talks a lot about eastern and western

03:49:27.200 arians harkening back to that root population but he uses the term as well now he's a few shades

03:49:35.440 darker than most people here would apply that term to but it was a vedic practicing indian man

03:49:43.280 that still harkens back to that common point of ancestry um so you see that in the rest of the

03:49:51.040 world that's not woke it's still a commonly understood thing and we've tried to find different

03:49:59.680 funny ways to say it uh indo-european indo-iranian um we've come up with different names but any

03:50:13.280 i guess there's two arguments and if you look on the internet they talk about how

03:50:17.280 like it wasn't a race of people it's just a linguistic thing

03:50:23.120 i don't know of any other circumstance where linguistics didn't start by a genetically

03:50:29.120 similar population that shared ethnicity and it branched out to those people's descendants that's

03:50:35.440 how language and culture works so to suggest that no that wasn't a race of people it was just

03:50:44.960 people who were all related to each other and looked the same and had the same basic

03:50:49.600 culture and religion that's kind of what the word means um so yeah that's a

03:50:57.760 very modern and woke understanding of things but what's unfortunate is when you try to google and

03:51:07.280 do research to get back to that most of what you're able to actually find is passages of

03:51:16.000 text from very old books that it's worth getting those books and reading but it's it's very hard

03:51:22.960 to back trace um it's fun do you have any examples linguistically of that or you know

03:51:30.880 well one of the the one of the key points that i like to bring up is the value of the word

03:51:37.920 the value of the word has value that spans all the way across from india all the way to the west and

03:51:45.120 its usages were very different very similar to the word father i mean father is completely different

03:51:51.120 than the Hellenic use of Pater and of, you know, Petra, when we go eastward, but that word has

03:52:00.020 value, even though it's changed slightly throughout all of those cultures. And so we know that

03:52:07.980 the Araya and their invasion into India, and I know that there's like Indian on the Indians on 0.87

03:52:15.920 the internet that say, oh, no, there are the Aryans. And then like, no, the Iranians are the 0.63

03:52:19.520 Arians. Now the value of that word, but where the word comes from, especially for the Iranians,

03:52:24.680 comes from the Greek words, arianus, which is like the noble born, the high born. And then

03:52:32.380 Araya has value again as the high born or noble born that come into that land. So

03:52:39.200 some people have tried to say that it was Iranians that invaded India, but we see from the spread of

03:52:48.340 the language and the ethno culture, again, ethnic and culture, including language and that which

03:52:55.280 they make, that that spread did not come down into Iran and then eastward into India, but that

03:53:05.440 it spread from a more central point. And it descended eastward into India, southwestward

03:53:11.300 into Iran, and then westward into Europe, where the name still had its value, but was not placed

03:53:17.520 over more um the uh the the word of the ariana or aria in relation to how the greeks referred to

03:53:28.060 the land of the aria and that was persia and that that name had its value as noble born um whereas

03:53:38.520 amongst the the uh in india the aria were the people that came in so this had value in its

03:53:45.420 meanings. And then linguistically, we see it because the Greeks named that place the land of

03:53:52.000 the Aria, and the Aria, or the Aria, or the Aria, the Arian, all of these things have

03:54:03.000 value and meaning, even down to like, again, we talk about like, not to be confused with

03:54:08.540 arian christians but arius the name of the person who started arian christianity that that was in

03:54:17.980 egypt um his name has that same value it means high born noble born and so in an essence it's

03:54:25.980 just that the value or the the usage of the word in classification was not necessarily seen so much

03:54:33.260 in the west but the word itself still had value in the language it meant honorable or it meant

03:54:39.580 noble or it meant highborn or it meant kind of classified by a sense of station or understanding

03:54:46.460 it's where kind of denotes into the word aristocracy and things like that and it all the

03:54:53.420 way down uh this happens numerous times just like the word father you know even in in irish

03:54:59.980 the you know the word father is other and you know the the the dropping of the f the gaining

03:55:06.140 or the the dropping of the p the gaining of the f the dropping of the f these words do change as

03:55:12.300 they move but their values only slightly change and we can see that connectivity but what happens

03:55:19.740 basically a lot somebody mentioned in the chat when the question first came up is the germanic

03:55:24.940 chieftain of the Suebi, Ariovistus, comes from the exact same root.

03:55:32.080 His daddy named him, self-identified him with the term Aryan. 0.98

03:55:38.100 Right. It's the desperation to remove the value that it had in Western European language.

03:55:44.780 And obviously that's politically motivated. But it's worth noting that Germans didn't start that.

03:55:50.720 it was a Frenchman who started it. And he kind of classified it as, again, an ethno-culture that

03:55:57.900 carried linguistic value in words, and it seemed to span all of those different branches. And so

03:56:07.740 I would argue that just as much as the dropping of the word Aryan for the Aryan peoples and

03:56:19.700 and calling them proto-indo-european and somehow separating them from the iranians

03:56:24.260 and separating them from the araya that went into um india is doing just that separating and i don't

03:56:31.780 think that's just course because we clearly see so many other words that have value and

03:56:38.180 interconnection that's how most of the etymology that we have how we can even conceptualize the

03:56:44.180 idea of the word herios with an h as being the proto-aryan word and that it may have evolved

03:56:52.580 from that into the different branches um picking up an e or pick you know uh dropping the h and

03:56:59.680 having an a or and in different ways that it's spelled it separates it from the uh

03:57:06.800 clear unification and i think that that that becomes in its own way a kind of politicized

03:57:13.580 rebuking because of world war two um you know to say proto-indo-european or to say

03:57:19.660 you know that they were saying kurgans and they were saying yamnaya um because of you know the

03:57:25.260 origins in yamnaya the uh russia and such it's i think it causes a lot more confusion with the

03:57:32.180 intent of kind of separating there are clear things that do separate these branches hence

03:57:36.200 the reason why they're branches but we're talking about a word that has value that goes across

03:57:41.180 all of those and has meaning. It's just not a, like Europe isn't called, you know, the land of

03:57:50.940 the Aryans. It, it, that was Iran. I mean, Europe in and of itself is actually a, um, uh, a Semitic 0.87

03:57:57.760 word. Um, it comes, um, from the Canaanites. Uh, uh, there was a, um, a bride of one of the,

03:58:08.580 the he went she went to the minoans i believe an island in the mediterranean her name was europa

03:58:15.360 um but the the land that our people called it before it was called europe had it had value it

03:58:25.580 had it had a point whether they used the word failed for nation or people um and so on and so

03:58:32.680 forth there was always kind of still a connection towards okay yeah we're so webby but either you

03:58:38.840 know ari or era or aristos these are the people of the highborn bloodlines um even separating

03:58:46.760 themselves from you know in the in the structure of the very culture that the word is being used in

03:58:52.120 i think that you see

03:58:53.400 i think that you see um emphasis put on distinction when you have um

03:59:09.480 when you have diversity present if you're in europe amongst all the other white people

03:59:15.960 you don't need a name for your race of people because your people are just people because

03:59:20.200 that's people and the people are everywhere if you have invaded a territory to where your people

03:59:26.440 are clearly different than the inhabitants of the area that you are in then you need to be able to

03:59:32.360 say us and them um you know it's like the greeks were able to say you know greek and barbarian

03:59:39.320 because they picked a point of distinction racial stock when they went into asia and discovered

03:59:45.160 dravidian people who were very different than them we're this people these are those people

03:59:51.960 and the reason of using that term arian is is a self-identifier of we are the noble people

03:59:59.720 and that's why it's important and i continue to use it it's just like the term also true

04:00:06.840 our people never called themselves also true in the most ancient time because of course they

04:00:11.640 They called themselves whatever group of people they were, and the religion was inherent to our folk.

04:00:17.920 You didn't have to make the distinction. 0.54

04:00:20.340 The distinction comes when other people that look like you have some kind of different religion, so we need to call it something different.

04:00:29.680 and at that point there's the choice of what other people called us pagan or heathen and what we call

04:00:39.420 ourselves also true loyal to the iser well there's those people you know what do they call us what

04:00:47.020 we're going to call ourselves arian we are the noble people and that there wasn't the need for

04:00:54.920 that in most of europe when there there was no there was no diversity to compare it to

04:01:05.720 so the names became you know smaller nation groups which are understood to be divisions of that bigger

04:01:12.840 racial classification there and that was just understood it wasn't insulting or racist or

04:01:18.440 offensive or anything else until that became a political necessity in the 1940s um but that you

04:01:26.920 know science doesn't change from 1937 to 1945 but words that are okay to use certainly do um

04:01:38.040 yeah i think that when people talk about how it was linked to it it was suddenly linked to the

04:01:50.260 word era by the germans for honor no it wasn't suddenly linked it was just that the the etymology

04:01:58.280 of those words can be seen it's just their usages were different and like what you said

04:02:02.800 the the uh area of ancient persia in relation to the people that they lived near and the araya

04:02:11.120 in relation to the people that they lived near made heavier weight distinctions than in europe

04:02:18.000 where it was more or less a kind of layering of this westward expansion and and these people were

04:02:25.920 kind of the same and you see that politically playing out even now they they try to paint the

04:02:30.400 the Yamnaya or the Kurgans as these evil, patriarchal, you know, wagon-driving evil

04:02:38.680 people that just dominated and genocided these, like, I don't know, peace-loving Stone Age, 0.99

04:02:45.840 Bronze Age, macrame, kumbaya, patriarchal group. And that's not true at all. And we're starting

04:02:51.440 to find that out, especially with genetics, that there was a lot of integration, that there was

04:02:56.440 kind of like one culture kind of superseding the other but not in some sort of uh violent way but

04:03:03.800 more in an integrational way in which clearly the uh the more um advanced and warlike or

04:03:10.620 technologically advanced brought in and utilized but didn't need the necessity of making a huge

04:03:18.100 distinction of ethnic usage but more of class usage and thus aristocracy you know became that

04:03:27.300 that usage or uh honorable in relation to those who commit themselves to fight and battle and

04:03:35.060 those were the the upper born that were supposed to you know they themselves or their children

04:03:41.300 were given over to in defense of the territory um so bernicus uh asked what's up with the drama

04:03:49.780 around stephen mcnally i saw a video talking about how he was pro-raceman and anti-fold

04:03:57.620 um the notation i think from nick is that this is in reference to some vard video um

04:04:04.740 um so a couple of a couple of things varg 0.98

04:04:19.860 yeah truth is one of our core values varg is a lunatic and he's got a lot of really dumb ideas 0.94

04:04:25.540 and he's got he's made an identity out of like extreme spurging on stuff 0.73

04:04:34.740 I don't find a lot of credence in much of anything that I've read or heard from Varg,

04:04:41.180 and he certainly has no real point of overlapping or understanding Steve McNallan.

04:04:50.700 Yeah, Steve is a personal friend of mine, and I'm not going to lie to you guys.

04:04:56.340 Maybe if this was truth or something, maybe it's just the time to shut up and move to a different question, 0.96

04:05:01.600 But because I know for a fact the answer, like, no, Steve's absolutely opposed to race mixing, and he's super pro-folk. 0.87

04:05:11.880 Steve, being pro-folk is why we are all here having this conversation tonight for the last, you know, what, four hours now. 0.92

04:05:22.280 The idea that he's not is just really, really silly. 0.96

04:05:25.740 um like i want to say it's offensive but it's just it's just dumb and it doesn't make any sense 0.89

04:05:33.620 steve has been the force in folkish ausitru since the dawn of modern ausitru since he

04:05:43.980 um had his awakening to the all-father in 1968 since his founding of the viking brotherhood in

04:05:52.320 1972, up to including, you know, a couple weeks ago when I saw, shoot, when I talked

04:05:59.820 to him on the phone a week ago, no, he's always been extremely pro-folk, and he doesn't

04:06:07.160 support race mixing as supposedly Varg thinks.

04:06:15.280 But Bart thinks a lot of things. And most of them, I think most of them are stuff he just comes up with in his own head or his wife tells him about placentas and such.

04:06:28.980 well and i i think one of the key points too when i when i talked to founder mcnalen was

04:06:35.740 his uh great opposition for the dissipate dissipation of any ethnos the idea that um

04:06:43.920 in when we have like ethnicity the dissipation of ethnicity has a an effect on the soul he's

04:06:53.160 talked about that not just in relation to the folk which he clearly has staunchly stood towards but

04:07:00.920 he's he's mentioned it towards other people as well as the dissipation of ethnicity also dissipates

04:07:07.080 their connection to the divine as a people and that that has merit and value and that a lot of

04:07:13.760 people who kind of see things as universal or just simply individualistic are completely that's

04:07:20.100 completely lost yeah and i think i'm really curious of what the context is or what you know

04:07:27.200 partial statement it's like built around or what like that's just that's just wrong and there's so

04:07:40.320 much nonsense but one thing that's a very toxic trait of our people in this day and age and people

04:07:48.740 that share a lot of commonality with us is this obsession with trying to root out

04:07:55.340 some nugget of something that we can have schism over or that we can denounce anybody who's done

04:08:04.260 anything good about it's like there's a race to tear down anybody who has and i think this is

04:08:11.400 a part of the the crab in the bucket syndrome that we all know about every time somebody

04:08:19.680 steps in front of the pack and does something or reaches out for something great

04:08:25.040 there is a race to see who can try to defame them or tear them down or uncover some secret

04:08:33.280 thing that delegitimizes them so we can all sink back into shared miserable mediocrity

04:08:41.400 And that is an inherent part of the virus that I think we're all infected with in this day and age.

04:08:53.120 And infected with by the same people that have tried to pretend that Aryan isn't a word for our people.

04:09:00.920 That tendency is something that I think we need to consciously try to veer away from.

04:09:07.980 not just try to make sure we're not doing it but like are we doing that here okay let's go the

04:09:16.180 other way anytime it's close because there's this this desire to tear each other down and

04:09:22.780 it's more destructive than any other group of people that don't look like us it's certainly

04:09:29.660 seen that and do more damage to us than any of the people we may like to talk about or or

04:09:35.920 place is the root of some of our problems vargs varg silly and i don't think vargs in touch with

04:10:00.700 reality very well um yeah yeah i i think founder um now one's interesting introspection clearly he

04:10:13.660 had uh his own stance and then to hear um other voices from other peoples saying very much the

04:10:22.460 same thing when he spoke about his travels in africa when he spoke about um uh i forgot the

04:10:27.920 native um gentleman who wrote uh god is red and he talked about the dissipation of ethno faith

04:10:35.900 amongst the natives by universalism and christianity there that was like finding

04:10:40.900 commonality that there was other people in other ethno groups talking about the same thing uh and

04:10:47.500 that you know ours is our unique story but they also have their unique desire to not dissipate

04:10:53.080 their ethno-religious culture. And I think that was really important to hear. It inspired me to

04:10:59.780 kind of go and look down those routes of commonality. And that's where we get into like,

04:11:05.260 are you guys pro this and anti that? And then when you talk about universalism versus

04:11:11.980 folkishness as a broad term, say in every ethnicity, the difference between universalist

04:11:20.220 thought and ethno thought and how that's that has merit and value not just an obviously it's

04:11:28.200 important to us in our branch and in our lane but also in other lanes it's become a situation

04:11:35.760 um I don't know I don't know anything about the VARG video with him saying or stating

04:11:41.360 and it's not wrong I appreciate people coming on here asking us about various other people's

04:11:47.600 channels, I really just got to say, I don't, I don't listen to other people in this sphere's

04:11:55.560 YouTube channels. Um, it's just not, not something I do with, with the time that I have,

04:12:02.940 it's doing other things. And I don't necessarily think that Varg's somebody that I would listen to

04:12:10.100 otherwise um i appreciate the questions i feel bad that we don't have more to offer on them

04:12:18.180 because they do come up quite often and i know some folks that listen to this do listen to

04:12:22.940 to varg stuff or uh survive the jive stuff or various other peoples um the next question what

04:12:31.120 do you think of the myths around dragons um you know i talked a little bit about dragon stuff when

04:12:37.440 we were going through Beowulfs. Fawn, what are your thoughts about the myths surrounding dragons?

04:12:43.900 Well, I know that we talk about perhaps, like, again, when people bring up the subject of

04:12:52.960 dragons, the universal part of it is that every culture has, you know, this connection to perhaps

04:13:00.020 a a serpent um a winged serpent a non-winged serpent a completely legless serpent but the

04:13:07.380 idea of the of the serpent uh perhaps even the fire breathing or or consumptive with teeth in

04:13:14.340 a large mall and so i don't really take too much stock in the universe universal aspect not because

04:13:22.500 of like the subject we're just like i'm against it's just because the word universal is that when

04:13:27.300 you look at some of the very distinct differences and again i think people are focusing on the

04:13:33.460 commonalities and not the differences you begin to see not only is there a difference in the way

04:13:38.980 that they're structured but also the way that they present themselves in stories and the way

04:13:44.020 that they are utilized as um you know cruxes and we see that with lots of um you know i guess mythic

04:13:53.060 beings and animals or what have you um i don't want to say animals but mythic uh beasts or

04:14:00.780 chthonic powers some people view them as lucky some people view them as um you know avatars of

04:14:07.240 their gods others view them as hoarders of knowledge and keepers of treasures and and um 0.98

04:14:12.620 are clearly hurdles to be just like destroyed like breaking out of the chthonic and the greed

04:14:19.300 or the desperation or all the things that a dragon might represent

04:14:23.860 in like Aryan culture versus, say, Asiatic culture

04:14:29.180 or Native American and Mesoamerica in specifics that I'm talking about

04:14:35.900 is they all have very distinct differences about the way they view the dragon

04:14:41.020 and what that exactly even means.

04:14:43.420 um the commonality of it though is interesting and intriguing but then there's so many differences

04:14:51.100 that I I wonder if it's it's the same as um a bird the understanding of of a winged bird and

04:14:58.540 its value uh the value of birds in European culture versus the value of birds in Mesoamerica

04:15:05.140 versus the value of birds in um Asian or Eastern Asian cultures also have distinct differences

04:15:12.880 um even though they all have wings they all have feathers they all have talons or or beaks um so

04:15:19.860 that's kind of one thing that keeps me grounded in the idea that uh the distinctions are far more

04:15:26.240 weighted than the commonalities you know i and i've talked about this before i'm not going to

04:15:31.920 talk too much on it tonight um because i'm hungry and sleepy but i'm going to put this out there uh

04:15:40.700 I do think that spawns on to something. I think that there is something inherent in folks on earth that the dragon is a thing in lots of different cultures.

04:15:55.440 But just like anything that has become symbolic, it has a different meaning due to different racial and cultural lenses.

04:16:03.040 I will say this, dragons in our faith, in our ancestry, are almost always forces of constriction, of greed, and of holding things back, of keeping treasure and not spending any and hoarding it up, and are something to be overcome.

04:16:27.360 there's something that perhaps someone metastasizes into through becoming obsessed

04:16:34.540 and becoming greedy and becoming a monstrous version of themselves and it's something monstrous

04:16:41.680 that needs to be very often overcome I think that when you get into Celtic tradition it becomes a

04:16:49.940 little bit different when you see dragons in England and in Wales. I think there's

04:16:55.760 a little bit different relation to dragons there. But generally, they're forces of greed

04:17:05.300 that need to be overcome, and the constriction needs to be broken so that good things can

04:17:14.560 be released from it. Next question. Midgard itself was built from Ymir. I've heard that

04:17:23.840 Ymir means yell or scream. Could this be a reference to reshaping sounds into matter?

04:17:30.780 Just curious. Svan, do you have thoughts on that? Yeah, I talked about that a bit in other VNSs,

04:17:40.280 And I know there's a lot and there's hours of stuff, but yeah, Ymir, the roarer, again, the point of sound, even down to what I would say each of the tripartite in creation in the gap are all in kind of correlation to sound.

04:18:03.520 And Adumla and the Proto-Ur and the Yggdrasil, the stasis of sound or stratification of sound.

04:18:14.300 And a lot of people might be like, well, how does Yggdrasil even correlate to sound?

04:18:17.780 I'll get to that in one second.

04:18:18.840 But Adumla is, you know, again, the dynamicism of sound, the creation.

04:18:26.500 Ymir is the catalystic form of sound, the breaking, the severing and reshaping. 0.59

04:18:36.540 And I think that Yggdrasil is the stasis. 0.99

04:18:38.780 And that really comes into when Odin hangs from Yggdrasil, he goes in a part of it all.

04:18:47.000 And what he sees is the foundational structure of everything, which is, again, sound.

04:18:53.780 And I think that sound really came about when all things were aligned, when all that was left was Yggdrasil, Ymir was changed, Abumla was changed, and what's left is the runes, if you will, the proto-sounds, or the sounds of creation, or the sounds of all things made.

04:19:14.320 so even Yggdrasil is in correlation to sound through the runes and Odin's travel and I think

04:19:23.540 that that needed to be prevalent after the destruction of Ymir and the shaping of sound

04:19:30.460 his part in catalysm Adumla in dynamicism and Yggdrasil in stasis and I bring that up a lot

04:19:38.620 about how the triplicate or tripartite

04:19:41.800 has always kind of functioned in those three ways.

04:19:46.520 And so, yeah, I do agree.

04:19:48.680 I think it is about that,

04:19:51.620 but it had to happen in certain order,

04:19:53.680 in order for the ultimate sound

04:19:56.020 and stratification of the universe to be laid out

04:19:59.280 and not necessarily seen.

04:20:00.820 And that's how Odin attains that knowledge.

04:20:03.260 It's becoming one with the final piece,

04:20:05.860 which is Yggdrasil.

04:20:08.620 um there was another question up here that i really i was really interested in chris chris

04:20:13.420 lucat um asked you know could you say that the linking of the yamnaya and other arian peoples

04:20:20.940 could be all related to many of the vanir or i guess perhaps the premise of the vanir joining

04:20:27.820 with the esir i think that's one of the beautiful powers of our mythos and of our meta narratives

04:20:34.060 is the application to the consistent truths and and what i mean by that is just as much

04:20:40.940 as you can apply the story of the binding of fenris by the gods the binding of a chaos consumer

04:20:49.740 that the the the greatest threat of the of that tripartite again another tripartite

04:20:55.260 we have fenris we have jormungandr and we have hell and the further away is the least dangerous

04:21:01.740 and the one that is in the gates of heaven is the most dangerous again we have dynamic fenris we

04:21:08.780 have stasis uh or i mean a catalystic with jormungandr and then stasis with hell again this

04:21:15.740 tripartite and these words that i'm using in relation to like perhaps their functions um is

04:21:24.540 important but it could also i've seen people correlate the binding of fenris with like the

04:21:30.620 the binding of rome and so is that what the story means i don't think it exactly means that but the

04:21:40.380 truth of it applies because it is truth so the nature of the gods and cosmic order coming

04:21:50.380 into balance with natural law can be applied in micro uh observations and that's what makes

04:21:59.740 our truths so powerful painting um a a story or a picture with words our our mythos take very

04:22:11.020 powerful points of truth and energy and things that happen in the world the the overtaking of

04:22:17.320 things cosmic order taking in natural law can apply to a lot of things if we look at it in

04:22:23.580 relation to say the Yamnaya iron age coming into bronze age, or perhaps it was even played out

04:22:30.240 with bronze age taking over stone age. Um, and again, it could be applied in, I don't know what

04:22:36.960 other ways, maybe, you know, um, space age versus, you know, industrialization or, or the, the truths

04:22:44.600 are, are, are applicable and appliable because they are truthful is the best way I can, I can

04:22:51.200 say that so when uh somebody asked me like is the binding of fenris an allegory for for appeasing rome

04:22:59.120 it's like uh yes i could see that easily but it's a matter of i guess like truth cannot be

04:23:08.560 chronologically placed somewhere but chronic uh chronological events can be placed towards truth

04:23:15.840 Well, and here's the thing.

04:23:17.580 There's principles that are true and there's like divine understanding of our gods.

04:23:27.460 The existence of our gods, both Iser and Vanir and their interaction with one another clearly predates Rome or predates right now.

04:23:43.840 if you want to talk about, you know, if there's some space galactic empire that tries to encircle

04:23:50.240 us that gets stopped, but finding those truths, seeing points of commonality and rallying behind

04:24:00.800 it is a worthwhile thing to do. Being aware not to project your modern stuff onto our ancestors

04:24:09.700 is also very important getting back to the fundamental truths is is essential i appreciate

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04:24:47.920 Wise Words. History Rhymes.

04:24:50.800 Wise Words.

04:24:52.620 Yes.

04:24:53.780 Yes, it does.

04:24:57.760 Okay, so back, and I didn't mention this,

04:25:00.040 I don't...

04:25:06.040 Ymir, relating to the idea of sound reshaping matter, as far as a science or a construction technique or something that way, don't have strong opinions on.

04:25:25.620 But the idea of sound bringing into existence and having magical efficacy, absolutely.

04:25:37.500 We've talked about it on here endless amounts of time.

04:25:42.500 The idea of galder, of incantation, of chanting things into existence is a very real thing.

04:25:51.960 When you connect it specifically with matter, I think that's questionable, but vibration certainly affects matter in some way.

04:26:02.540 We've seen that. That's demonstrable.

04:26:05.800 But certainly speaking and sound take something from non-existence and moves it into existence.

04:26:14.260 And that's, you know, the importance of that can't be overstated.

04:26:21.960 Next up, question about, is the spread of the Aryans why the swastika was so popular in ancient times in different cultures?

04:26:36.100 Yes and no.

04:26:38.520 Certainly, that was a powerful symbol of our folk that was around at the time of the Aryan migrations, and that explains why it's in a lot of places.

04:26:50.340 it's also in a bunch of other places that those migrations didn't come anywhere near or touch

04:26:57.480 it's fun to speculate about that commonality spreading out and you're at an earlier point in

04:27:08.400 prehistoric times I think that's fascinating like you see it come up in the Americas you

04:27:16.700 see it in japan you see it in lots of different places in different different versions it also is

04:27:25.580 worth considering that it's a pretty simple connection of lines that i think a lot of people

04:27:33.260 would come to um so we can't discount that it it just works well geometrically and i think that

04:27:41.340 people would stumble upon that often but yeah i think that it's fascinating and when you get back

04:27:50.500 in the mists of pre prehistory and pre-written history and pre-ice age history you start

04:27:57.620 running into all kind of really fascinating things and seeing that same holy symbol pop up

04:28:04.320 in similar context or in similar usage is really, really enticing. Svan, what do you have to say on

04:28:14.520 that? Yeah, I was going to say it's kind of like the dragon, the idea of the lines and the drawings

04:28:23.200 are very similar, but some of them have great distinctions, great differences, but it's utilized

04:28:29.340 in lots of different ways with different meanings. Sometimes it means good luck and other times it

04:28:34.140 means power, or sometimes it means, you know, again, centralizing all forces into a calming

04:28:41.980 sense, depending on where you're, you know, coming from with a lot of this. It's just, yeah,

04:28:48.500 it's interesting, but I think the distinctions do outweigh a lot more of the commonalities.

04:28:55.360 And when you have, you know, geometric shapes, you find a lot of the geometric shapes do have

04:29:02.520 overlap as far as coming to the conclusion of these images uh just as simple as the circle

04:29:08.840 and the triangle um or overlapping uh certain images together you know i think it's it is

04:29:17.160 within us to happen upon imagery in separate lanes if you will with distinct meanings but

04:29:26.200 but they look the same. Um, and so I don't know. I mean, as far as perhaps in the area sphere,

04:29:33.940 uh, certainly that spreading of the symbol, um, and it's, again, it's value and it's meaning,

04:29:39.740 just like the language has its, its point, but it's not the only geometric symbol that

04:29:46.040 you can kind of see throughout. And then, um, I was really kind of alluded to the really

04:29:52.900 interesting idea of perhaps pre-ice age or even pre-historical understandings of

04:30:00.340 humans and and their uh movings about and symbology that's that's an interesting thing

04:30:06.660 but again prehistory means there's not a lot to go on for us to evaluate so this one's enticing

04:30:15.620 from super honky just jumping in i saw some videos the other day on the internet about exorcism

04:30:25.060 was wondering what's the thought on that and also true are demons real also how do i donate

04:30:33.140 i'll send a few bucks well first thank you for that um if you want to send a few bucks

04:30:39.300 uh nick can throw up the link if you're listening to this later or however you're listening to it

04:30:46.900 uh at runestone.org if you click the donate link it'll give you a lot of options on how

04:30:52.660 to send in donations and we do really appreciate that um i'll let's fawn take a swing at this first

04:31:02.020 but i i have thoughts on this and i think it's interesting it's fun uh how does what are

04:31:07.780 Are the thoughts on exorcism as relates to Ausatru, and are demons real?

04:31:16.160 Okay, one of the things I would like to key in on is the functioning aspect of the entity demon versus the word demon.

04:31:28.100 The word demon is a Greek word, and it means less than a divine being, less than a god.

04:31:36.340 And in application before Christianity, demon was applied to anything that was semi-divine.

04:31:43.520 Even Hercules was referred to as a daemon.

04:31:47.080 But the usage and the technicality of the beings is really that this is a Greek word applied to a Semitic word, a shadim.

04:31:58.800 And Shadim share a lot of functionality with an Arab word, which is like the word Dijin. 0.86

04:32:07.900 So Shadim and Dijin are kind of these evil malevolent spirits that live in the land or in accursed places. 0.99

04:32:15.600 They're always associated with desolate places and places away from either the divine or civilization or sometimes both. 0.99

04:32:23.620 and I think that the correlation for us linguistically would be troll or uh again I

04:32:32.360 mentioned thirst a lot of times thirst is correlated to a primal entity outside of civilization

04:32:39.520 but troll has a tendency to to fit very well but now you know of course in the west troll is like

04:32:46.380 oh you mean like the little fuzzy thing with the belly button rhinestone or something it's it's

04:32:52.340 lost a lot of its weight and value in our language um but when we're talking about functionality

04:32:57.780 again entities that live in with malevolence in the desire to dissipate humans their civilization

04:33:08.900 or uh you know an affront to the divine creation of uh people giving been given gifts by the gods

04:33:19.300 um that functionality then has an app you know it applies across the board in relation to trolls

04:33:27.620 uh i think though it's worth noting that um amongst semitic cultures the shadim

04:33:32.500 the djinn they can not only possess people they can possess objects and um again the idea of of

04:33:41.540 malicious spirits being connected to items and things, which has weight and value in our own

04:33:49.380 culture. The words for it are a little bit more at a loss for me than that. But as far as

04:33:56.880 the idea of possession, that's really interesting because the caveat of

04:34:05.300 um many middle eastern religions about um maintaining like this kind of purity before

04:34:14.820 you die or attaining this purity before you die and everything's kind of built towards

04:34:19.540 the death and then having some entity be able to jump in and kind of somehow make you worse or

04:34:26.400 you know you're already kind of painted with sin and that's but then it's like you know

04:34:30.940 to even more so emphasize that, um, is a heavy component in their religion,

04:34:38.080 just like, uh, a Messiah or a Malak, which is a messenger of Yahweh. Uh, you know, and then of

04:34:45.700 course they took Angelos from the Greeks as well. Um, the one thing I would say is worth noting 0.92

04:34:51.940 is that when we talk about spirits and things like, actually, vargs, the first thing that I

04:35:01.160 think of when we think of a malicious spirit that's out on the edges of society, you think 0.99

04:35:05.840 of a varg, a varger. And a varger could be applied to a physical outlaw, or it could be applied to 0.99

04:35:12.140 a spirit or a thing that is out there that's consumptive. I think the Anglo-Saxon word

04:35:18.560 warg might also fit very well for what would constitute the effectiveness or the dynamic of

04:35:26.540 a demon or a Shadim or the djinn. So do they kind of exist in our sphere? Yes, I think they do.

04:35:35.880 But as far as possession and things like that go, it's such a huge caveat in the religious

04:35:41.840 component of Middle Eastern or Judaic or Semitic religions, that demons oftentimes

04:35:50.060 are introduced into the narrative in order to reemphasize, again, that caveat of your soul.

04:35:59.640 And that has a lot more of a pronounced weight in Semitic religions than I think it does in any

04:36:05.260 other religion you you um your your soul is at risk of being you know snatched up and poisoned 0.61

04:36:14.700 even further and and all all of these things and we in our history have talked about like

04:36:20.860 again souls of people kind of being consumed by hunger and malice and a rejection to civilization

04:36:29.740 a rejection to order, a rejection to law. And we would see that as just as detrimental as perhaps

04:36:35.980 say, you know, the value and purity of your individual soul for the afterlife. So you can

04:36:43.220 see how their functions are a little different. But I mean, we have, you know, whether it's spirits

04:36:49.560 or vector or ghosts or things that, you know, inhabit places that need to be taken out of.

04:36:57.900 I know, for instance, the word warlocker is where we get the word warlock from, has connotations to being able to bind ill spirits with spells or gulder and words of power.

04:37:13.720 So we definitely have a lot more in relation to places being inhabited by ill spirits, but not necessarily individual souls.

04:37:22.100 So I don't know if it would have much merit in the specifically in the realm of possession of people.

04:37:27.900 So, again, it's important to take a step back.

04:37:37.160 And, cool, if we were to make up a religion, would we make up that we have demons in our religion?

04:37:44.000 That's not what we're doing.

04:37:46.720 Things are true or they're not.

04:37:48.260 One thing that is true, there's malevolent forces that exist that do bad things to people.

04:37:59.740 There are forces of chaos that exist on the fringes of sanity, on the fringes of society, on the fringes of well-adjusted, good health outside of healthy environments that are malicious.

04:38:18.260 we experience those in different ways.

04:38:24.680 I don't think that we conceive of those negative spirits

04:38:29.780 trying to constantly find a way to break in and mess with our soul

04:38:34.960 because a lot of that's interpretation and overlay.

04:38:40.700 We don't see it as a battle for that in that sense.

04:38:48.260 Because the piece of your soul that is you isn't what they occupy.

04:38:53.000 They would occupy your lick during time, your lick while you're, I guess, around.

04:39:01.120 But they wouldn't occupy the other pieces of your soul component that kind of identify you.

04:39:06.660 And we believe our gods and ancestors can sort those things out a little bit.

04:39:10.580 There are certainly malevolent witches or troll wives or trolls or forces out there wanting to do bad things to you, perhaps the spirit of dead people that are crappy but powerful that want to do bad things to you.

04:39:32.520 There's that sort of thing. We don't see it in a possession sense to the same degree.

04:39:41.300 but yeah we see bad stuff and whereas i don't know of any gothar who have been called upon to 0.97

04:39:49.780 perform an exorcism there are plenty who have been called upon to sanctify a location or to

04:39:58.820 cast out bad things from a location from an object from a place against fawn talked about

04:40:06.260 place being significant what i would say is as a general truth of existence

04:40:15.940 when you open yourself up and look into the abyss stuff looks back that's a thing

04:40:24.020 if you go delving in areas you shouldn't and you open yourself up to a mediumistic practice

04:40:30.420 I think there's the ability for things on the other side of the veil to utilize that conduit

04:40:40.300 that you've provided them. I think that if you are good at what you do and you are the kind of

04:40:47.380 person that has any business doing that, then you are channeling, you know, in a big sense,

04:40:57.200 that's what the vulva would do that we talk about tonight or the the spalcona or the the safe kona

04:41:04.960 which is in our tradition would do practices to where entities would speak through them i think

04:41:12.720 that mediumistic things to where perhaps departed ancestors could speak through a medium in some way

04:41:23.760 um i think when you open that up if you don't have any business doing it you don't know what

04:41:30.000 you're doing you're dabbling unsafely in places then negative things could also

04:41:39.120 take root in a mediumistic way but i think that's super rare and i don't think we have the

04:41:45.280 The whole battle for souls to where we don't have all the stuff that you have in the very expanded Christian conception of demonology to the degree that they have.

04:42:02.300 but yeah there's bad hoodoo out there and there's bad forces that want to do bad stuff

04:42:07.420 to good people and you see that just as there's people that would like to take advantage of you

04:42:14.300 and do bad things to you and the world around you there's also forces beyond the veil that

04:42:19.340 would like to do bad things too are we don't conceive of ourself in the same victim at the whim

04:42:29.500 of the supernatural

04:42:33.120 in the same way

04:42:34.180 that I think Christianity does.

04:42:37.020 And I think to a degree

04:42:38.700 that shapes our conception

04:42:40.080 of how we relate to those things.

04:42:43.160 Those things are very often

04:42:44.240 when we venture outside of our world

04:42:46.900 and into another world,

04:42:48.600 we face evil spirit things.

04:42:52.320 But we have a certain ability

04:42:54.120 to protect ourselves,

04:42:55.800 to protect our soul,

04:42:57.020 to be whole and healthy.

04:43:00.220 that i don't think is there in the in the mentality of of the abrahamic faiths i think

04:43:07.500 that something that is built into that faith system is that you yourself are powerless the

04:43:13.820 only thing that has power to do anything is external forces to you i think perhaps medical

04:43:21.580 metaphysically that opens them up to bad things happening i think certainly psychologically it

04:43:27.420 opens them up to bad things happening and i think that to be quite honest most demon possession

04:43:34.140 and i'm doing the air quotes is crazy people i think that's probably most of it on everybody's

04:43:41.420 side but for it to be a real thing everybody who claims it doesn't need to be legit just one does

04:43:50.380 so i think it's probably the exception and not the rule but yeah there's bad stuff out there

04:43:55.340 and a follow-up question on the side that's related to it was the idea that you know do

04:44:02.620 you think that varg chose his name because of that yeah absolutely um i think that was part

04:44:09.820 of him just being a spooky satanist troublemaker at the time he was making his black metal stuff

04:44:16.860 and that just became dude's nickname i think that's completely consistent with 0.98

04:44:21.820 his silly showboating nonsense. Do you have more follow-up on that, Swan?

04:44:32.380 Yeah, I was going to say you brought up a great point, and I wanted people to understand your

04:44:36.560 context when you said about the troll, which is the wolf-riding troll, which is a consistent

04:44:43.540 painting of these kind of ill spirits in Old Norse literature and European, Germanic

04:44:51.720 literature is the idea of like the hag wolf riding troll woman um that's consistently and

04:45:00.340 culturally thrown around that might not have as much weight now in understanding and i wanted

04:45:05.700 people to understand that why you said that specifically because you're referring to that

04:45:10.140 and just to make sure that they know i mean again it's mentioned in the how of them all and you know

04:45:15.380 seeing a witch in the in the rafters is not like a witch in the sense of like um you know like a

04:45:21.700 uh a woman more like a spirit um the the other thing is like the hagazisa or the knocked mara

04:45:30.640 uh the nightmare and and all of that stuff um has correlation to those spirits and it's also

04:45:38.080 worth noting that the abrahamic faiths had a tendency to i guess the correct word would be

04:45:45.760 like should dim their, their opponents, um, or what we would eventually call demonize. 0.91

04:45:52.360 You know, they, they would take the, the gods of their opponents and turn them into

04:45:56.640 Yeah, they would. Yeah, they would. Yes, they would. I mean, and we see it consistently

04:46:07.380 and that act actually continues on all the way through us. And in Christianity has carried

04:46:11.940 that with it. The fact that the goat and the goat imagery is connected to the Hasatan or 0.97

04:46:22.600 Hasatans or whatever, that again is an application of demonizing faiths of old. But they did it all 1.00

04:46:33.600 the way back into ancient Palestine and ancient Hebrew lands in the Levant. They would do that. 0.89

04:46:41.140 if the Canaanites, you know, were worshiping Baal, then, you know, eventually Baal became a 0.77

04:46:48.140 demon. And again, Moloch, a demon, and everything was a demon outside of Yahweh, to some extent, 0.70

04:46:55.120 they had ways of doing that. And I'm not really pointing a finger, because people all over the

04:47:01.020 world have kind of done that. It's our gods versus your gods kind of thing. And so I'm not really

04:47:06.380 poo-pooing at it but it does kind of apply a mode that even existed after um christianity

04:47:13.380 uh it's definitely one of those judeo aspects that carried into european christianity for you

04:47:19.960 know and even kept a lot of it alive medieval demon demonology is is a smattering of hermetic

04:47:26.940 magic and ancient uh semitic you know religious cults and and a lot of stuff thrown in that was

04:47:34.300 really probably would have fell to the wayside over time, but was kept alive because of the idea

04:47:41.100 of, of having these, the bad guys against us or the utilization of what a demon in relation to

04:47:48.740 Christianity is used for is again, oftentimes a tool in order to keep people, you know, in that

04:47:56.280 dichotomy. Um, and you know, that's why I think, um, Catholics, uh, especially I forgot the, the,

04:48:03.200 the couple, um, that they were linked to, um, what is it? The doll, the Warrens, the Warrens.

04:48:11.400 Yes. I've read a couple of their books when I was a kid. Um, and one of them that really stuck out

04:48:16.480 to me was there was a one about a demonic possession of a British man who, um, some like

04:48:23.100 believed he suffered from lycanthropy and the way they presented it was absolutely that it was a

04:48:28.040 demonic possession. And that the only way that it could be removed is through Roman Catholic

04:48:32.780 ritual of removing the demon. And again, I can see the format of, of this repeated in their books

04:48:40.200 with intent and with function. Um, the other thing that is worth noting is Vargar, the word,

04:48:48.060 uh, cause I saw every on the side here, like wargs in Lord of the Rings. Yes. Tolkien used

04:48:53.900 that word um in relation to like the beasts uh that they rode upon but a varg i even use it for

04:49:01.900 um people who pass the river gyor in when we talked about the soul being rejected by the

04:49:07.820 ancestors you become this outcasted thing and you have to cross the river gyor and the river slither

04:49:14.700 and what comes out on the other side is something that's rejected from the whole and unto itself is 1.00

04:49:19.900 kind of a thing of dissipation a thing of malevolence because that's all that it has left

04:49:27.340 and so that can apply again to people or it can apply to spirits of things that are outside or

04:49:34.060 outcasted from the the center of of order and um a lot of ways i i refer to the souls that pass

04:49:43.580 as turning into consumptive wargs. I think in the death song, I wrote that, you know, for a

04:49:53.040 needling, to nastron their night is set in needful is the mouths of wargs. And that's in reference 0.57

04:50:00.600 to that is like, again, an entity that seeks dissipation and hatred of order, hatred of law.

04:50:08.320 all right so it's fun um how is this question phrased exactly uh thoughts on the moon landing

04:50:19.000 uh was it fake conspiracy theory what are your thoughts on the moon landing

04:50:25.540 um i i believe that it happened um i know that there's a lot of people that have a lot of

04:50:32.280 evidence in one way or the other. But I'm a believer that with the comparison of advancements

04:50:40.620 between the cosmonauts and the astronauts and what we were doing at the time, I believe it

04:50:49.220 happened. I don't know. I think that a lot of the theories about, what's his name, Kubrick being

04:50:55.900 involved in filming and all that stuff. I don't know. I feel like it kind of falls into a realm

04:51:04.100 of conspiracy that I'm not fully open to some of those ideas. Dishonesty breeds distrust.

04:51:12.920 And that's one of the things that we find a lot. When you discover that

04:51:19.000 the government or the media or some entity lies about something

04:51:27.980 then it's very easy to immediately flee the other way and reject everything out of hand

04:51:36.960 and if they're dishonest then everything they've ever said must be a lie and i think that's

04:51:44.880 like i get the tendency to do that but i don't think that's healthy and i don't think that's

04:51:52.560 the best way to get to truth i will say this some things are really suspicious magically they've

04:51:59.920 lost all of you know magically is not the right word um

04:52:03.200 i guess uh somehow in some mysterious way all of the original data disappeared and they couldn't

04:52:15.440 like figure it back out for a long time on how to get back to the moon that's odd and unsettling

04:52:24.560 some of the pictures that they use have come out to actually have been fakes that were staged

04:52:29.840 because they looked better and they worked better for publicity purposes well that's

04:52:36.320 messed up now it makes you question all of the pictures that stuff happens but no i absolutely

04:52:43.280 believe that we've gone to the moon and landed people and stuff on it i believe that we sent

04:52:49.440 the rover to mars and that's thing and it's really cool i think space exploration is fascinating and

04:52:56.160 really interesting um i completely reject the flatter nonsense thing and it's kind of

04:53:07.680 always very concerning to me when people jump on that because just because one thing is

04:53:16.560 just because one group of people lies to you doesn't mean you reject everything from western

04:53:21.520 civilization and start fresh and i think that's i think that's silly and i wish that people who had

04:53:31.840 really out there conspiracy theories would contextualize them and be judicious about

04:53:37.760 what they accept or what they don't because the least convincing people on any conspiracy

04:53:42.880 things are the guy like yeah i saw bigfoot one time yeah and then a couple years later

04:53:49.920 like i seen a ufo and then a couple years later i the same people that have one experience tend to

04:53:57.440 have all the experiences or the guy that believes one conspiracy just believes all conspiracies

04:54:03.280 because they're conspiracies and it really erodes um the ability for other people to take them

04:54:08.480 seriously so be judicious i have unfortunately at this stage in my life learned that there's

04:54:14.880 a lot of conspiracies that have stuff to them that the media lies to us almost almost all the time

04:54:22.480 now that our government and this probably stands with even any of the people in an international

04:54:29.600 audience that listen to us lies to us frequently um it's really really hard to know what to trust

04:54:38.080 as i've told you earlier when we talked about the word arian google lies or certainly filters

04:54:45.600 the truth and doesn't allow large parts of the truth to be known that's unfortunate but i think

04:54:53.200 we do ourselves a disservice when we scrap legitimate accomplishments of our ancestors

04:54:59.360 that are amazing and noteworthy because we want to distrust everything so um

04:55:13.040 i don't know what all is going on but i absolutely do believe that that we landed on moon i think

04:55:19.120 there's also silly shenanigans that make that look more silly than it needs to be because

04:55:24.960 government doesn't know how to be honest i think every time they release a report

04:55:28.320 on something that we know is not true it leads everyone to speculate about what exactly is true

04:55:36.080 and that's unfortunate i think sometimes it's not nearly as big a deal as we create in our heads

04:55:41.840 but nature abhors a vacuum and if the only thing you get from official sources is not true then it

04:55:50.800 leads to some really unhealthy ideas about what might be true and i can hardly fault people

04:55:58.080 for figuring out their own truth

04:56:01.340 when the people responsible for providing it

04:56:04.400 tell them things that aren't true.

04:56:06.420 So that's the last we've got for tonight.

04:56:09.700 I'm looking forward to talking to you guys again next week

04:56:13.880 and getting into the second part of our Velospouse series.

04:56:19.900 I hope this is good.

04:56:20.920 I hope you guys are getting a lot out of this

04:56:22.660 and enjoying it.

04:56:23.500 I think it's really important

04:56:24.680 and i'm pretty committed to going through uh both edda's certainly this way and uh seeing where we

04:56:33.960 go from there but uh thank you so much swan for coming on and enlightening us and sharing

04:56:41.020 your deep wisdom on this it's extremely valuable and uh we all appreciate it and i appreciate it

04:56:48.320 thanks for having me thanks for being on thanks for having me this is great all right guys y'all

04:56:54.080 have a good night. Hail the gods.

04:56:56.240 Hail the folk. Hail the AFA.

04:56:58.860 And remember that victory never

04:57:00.160 sleeps.

04:57:24.080 We'll be right back.

04:57:54.080 Thank you.

04:58:24.080 Thank you.

04:58:54.080 Thank you.

04:59:24.080 We'll be right back.

04:59:54.080 We'll be right back.

Asatru Folk Assembly - January 04, 2024

1⧸3⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 78 - Völuspá, Part 1

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