Asatru Folk Assembly - 10⧸1⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 169 - Sigurðarkviða hin skamma

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:12.780 Well done, Nick, on the new intro. That's awesome. In case you guys missed it, last week,

00:03:21.500 we announced that we officially have Frazehoff now.

00:03:26.220 So we have Frazehoff in lovely Austintown, Ohio.

00:03:32.800 It is amazing.

00:03:34.620 As you guys can see, if you're looking at the building,

00:03:37.440 it looks spectacular.

00:03:39.380 Also looks awesome from the inside.

00:03:42.600 It is on a good little,

00:03:46.120 I have to go check so I don't misspeak on the acreage,

00:03:49.140 but a good little couple of acres there of decently wooded property that's nice.

00:03:54.980 It's really so much that we dreamed about and wanted, and we have been greatly blessed with it.

00:04:03.940 So we are very excited about that. Erickson's have been out there now for a few weeks.

00:04:11.060 Putting in work, it's basically turnkey in a lot of ways,

00:04:15.320 but we need to get my co-host tonight out there to do his magic and paint his mural in there.

00:04:24.360 We need to get some other stuff done. There's always little stuff to be done,

00:04:27.900 but it's a very nice building, very good condition, and pretty excited about all of it.

00:04:32.880 So I wanted to start the show talking about how spectacular that is,

00:04:38.160 and I'm able to do it because you guys are generous. We appreciate y'all's generosity.

00:04:42.580 So as of now, we have $20,030 towards the overall goal.

00:04:52.820 We're trying to get to $125,000.

00:04:56.500 So I think it came out to $169 per member would pay that half off today.

00:05:05.580 Yes, that is ambitious.

00:05:06.980 But if you guys want to do it, let's go for it.

00:05:09.200 um but yeah that's where we're at we're already 16 of the way paid off and uh yeah we're we're

00:05:19.420 pretty excited about that um and you know what i absolutely did my math wrong so the figure that i

00:05:26.960 just quoted is wrong when spawn is talking i will recalculate and give you guys a better number

00:05:31.620 because now it's it's playing with mutism so there you have it on that note coming up

00:05:43.620 so sneaks up on me these events come up fast the older i get winter nights in new hampshire is

00:05:52.180 i will be leaving a week from today and it's going to be you know a week and two days from now

00:06:00.100 um it's going to be great it's at uh our folk builder ron's property there

00:06:06.980 and we did it there last year it's a beautiful property he's got you know he's got space there

00:06:12.820 that they've been actively practicing out true and worshiping the gods there for decades it's

00:06:21.460 a really nice location it's going to be a really nice event it's going to be absolutely beautiful

00:06:25.940 uh i'm probably ready but even more so here in about a week and a half um

00:06:33.140 yeah it's going to be amazing we've got some fantastic people in the northeast showing up

00:06:39.140 there i look forward to seeing everybody if you can make it make the time we would love to see

00:06:44.660 you there contact your local folk builder and they get you all set up if you are not a member

00:06:50.900 you should come on out and check it out again talk to that local folk builder or any of our

00:06:55.140 folk builders for that matter if you are a member it's a great time to get involved and come out and

00:07:01.860 be part of something if you do all the time then i'm excited to see you once again and if this is

00:07:07.620 your first time you know there is no better time than to jump right in so this is really good

00:07:12.580 opportunity and i'm looking forward to it and that's coming up october 10th through the 12th

00:07:18.260 so hopefully i see you guys there also to start off the show as is his custom and is

00:07:26.020 greatly appreciated gw farnsworth donating 25 to this program and 50 towards uh paying off

00:07:35.060 phrasehoff so uh we're two uh twenty thousand eighty dollars so far towards that goal um

00:07:49.380 yeah we had good we got good things happening it is a great time to be

00:07:52.820 involved in the house true folk assembly suppose this is as good a time as any to say if you are

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00:10:02.340 tonight we're going to read uh sigurd gavida hen skama and swan's going to take us through the

00:10:08.900 material as always we are well i say as always as with both pose and pro prose and poetic eddas

00:10:16.900 we'll be using voluspow.org it's very convenient it's got a lot of stuff there it's where you can

00:10:24.900 read along if you'd like or feel free to read any translation that you've got um but yeah do

00:10:34.100 is there anything these folks need to know Svon before we get into the material?

00:10:40.420 Um yeah so we have been through all manner of angles as these poems follow in the Codex Regius.

00:10:55.060 They they are some of them are fragmented some of them are full well this one is one of the full

00:11:01.140 ones. It is completely contained and it has some interesting things in it. There is even a rumor

00:11:14.660 that it might have been composed in Greenland, but I am not a believer in that because of usage

00:11:21.740 of wording uh however all of these that follow the volsung saga clearly have poetic uses and it's

00:11:33.820 always of course tied to the fact that uh the saga the volsung's sigur the dragon slayer all of them

00:11:41.820 that ultimately comes from continental europe and so this is a product of nordic poetry

00:11:50.300 formulating what was most likely a very common story to tell. And so it codifies it. And in a

00:12:00.940 lot of those attempts, there was a desire for the poets to create language that could be memorized

00:12:09.980 and utilized and have its own signature style. So this one is very, very wrought with just dynamic

00:12:19.280 wording. And it kind of goes over a part that we've already covered. This kind of takes place

00:12:31.920 where Sigurd is going. He has left the mountain where Brynhild is. And

00:12:44.420 He runs into Gunnur, Gyuki's children, the two brothers, Gunnur and Hogni, and he also meets Gudrun, and that's where he is tricked into falling for Gudrun by their mother with witchery.

00:13:12.520 So it kind of goes from him leaving Brynhild and all of that, which kind of transpired, and then it immediately jumps back to now he's jumping the fire for Gunnur.

00:13:30.440 One of the big cruxes of the whole situation that a lot of people might not know or understand is just that Sigurd proclaiming his love and jumping over the fire to Brynhild and then leaving and then coming or leaving and falling in love, even though he proclaimed his love to her.

00:13:54.400 um and then brinhild not knowing that gunner tricked sigurd again into jumping the fire for him

00:14:05.060 and so she had made the oath that she would fall in love with the you know the one who jumped the

00:14:12.500 fire and since the first one he's nowhere to be found she goes with the second one even though

00:14:19.000 was the same person both times but she thinks it's gunner so when she finally gets into this court 0.57

00:14:25.800 she realizes gunner tricked sigurd and uh she just becomes very very wrathful is to say the least

00:14:39.320 and uh all of these these oaths and oath breaking and all of the things that she's involved with

00:14:47.160 end up kind of burning the kingdom down from the inside out um so we're getting a kind of a

00:14:56.120 look at that moment sigurd is now is is alive uh bernhild is at the mountain and gudrun and sigurd

00:15:04.680 are newly uh in love at the sorcery of gudrun's mother so that's kind of it's it's we're jumping

00:15:13.880 back a little bit but um again when we get a full poem with lots of dynamic writing that's when we

00:15:24.780 get the best stuff about the way our ancestors viewed faith the gods and social and cultural

00:15:34.240 edicts which i think is ultimately the reason why we're doing all of this is to kind of share that

00:15:39.980 So if there's anybody wondering, um, why, you know, why are they going over kind of all of these? Well, one, it's because a lot of people don't ever go over these on their own. And two, there's always little nuggets of wisdom that we viciously expound on during these. So that's always fun.

00:16:03.920 um but yeah that's a i mean that's about it this is one of the subsequent poems that follows the

00:16:12.180 volsunga saga and uh was composed and was utilized and focused on key moments during

00:16:23.280 the uh the story and it's also really important i think for people to realize that most of these

00:16:29.200 were stories before they were poems.

00:16:33.180 The stories of the gods

00:16:36.400 and all of that are codified in a poetic tradition.

00:16:40.760 But before that, there was probably

00:16:44.780 uncodified versions of poetic traditions.

00:16:50.500 And also, there were probably just simple retellings

00:16:55.200 of the stories.

00:16:57.920 So these poetics represent a kind of, imagine like a refined martial art, where just the simple retellings of the stories is combat.

00:17:14.800 The poetics is a martial art.

00:17:17.420 It's constructed, it's looked at, it has different angles and different purposes as to why they're being produced.

00:17:27.260 normally for us on this other side of history is these are just composed and we don't necessarily

00:17:34.540 understand that these poems had a lot of different meanings and had a lot of different purposes and

00:17:41.060 for us it's just they they survived but for them it was to maintain certain types of

00:17:48.740 meter and styles and things of that nature so

00:17:55.700 um i didn't know if you wanted to just hop right in or answer any questions before

00:18:07.620 no i mean i think the questions we've got we can get after it um we can also by all means

00:18:15.460 keep in mind guys we can thread in questions if they're relating to the text whenever you guys

00:18:22.340 might like to um but no i'm good with us jumping right in whenever you are ready

00:18:28.980 okay so i apologize as a number i quoted earlier was wrong uh 142 per member would

00:18:38.660 get the half paid off immediately okay

00:18:42.180 Oh, there was one other thing. Let me just see something really quickly. There was

00:18:57.060 a thing that I found, which I thought was very interesting. So generally, for those that might

00:19:06.340 need to know uh the idea of continental europe in relation to the volsunga saga

00:19:14.900 and the uh the nibelungs the the mist walkers as they that translates um is most likely

00:19:24.660 incorporating the lands north of italy and that would be from northeastern france

00:19:34.260 to all the way east in um what is now romania and ukraine so the this is where this story

00:19:46.740 really formulates itself and you'll you'll see it in the poems mentioned that sigurd is from the

00:19:54.100 south lands and the reasoning behind this is because from the baltic sea

00:20:01.220 I always forget what Germany is called in Icelandic, the land of the people, and Frankaland,

00:20:21.600 all of those places are south.

00:20:23.640 So, but I was, I found some interesting stuff looking at kind of maps of, as names are mentioned, this area is covering all the way from the Gutanish people in the east or the Goths, all the way to the Franks.

00:20:40.640 And there is some historical referencing that members of Frankish royalty, long before converting to Catholicism, of course, may have been huge contributors to the characters that by the time it reached the Norse, they had been fleshed out more

00:21:08.420 because of actual historical people in France at the time.

00:21:15.540 So I'm going to actually look at that a little.

00:21:21.160 I'm going to try to find it, but I'll do it as we're going

00:21:24.240 because it's not that important, but it's kind of just interesting to note.

00:21:30.300 So I love the beginning.

00:21:32.740 our var years of old of old did sigurd gyuki seek so bellows translation of old he's meaning

00:21:44.460 of of times of old in the times of old the first part our means year and and var of course is is

00:21:54.200 of long standing. So, of years of long standing. In the days of old Sigur Gyuki, did Sigur Gyuki

00:22:07.060 seek? So, Sigur is told by the brothers, Hogni and Gunnar, to go and talk to their father, Gyuki.

00:22:16.600 they're like you're amazing you're awesome we heard about the dragon slaying um our sister's

00:22:24.780 really smitten with you she's beautiful and now you're smitten with her uh and you know you're

00:22:31.900 to be wed and you should go and talk to our father in his kingdom so Sigur goes to Gyuki 0.59

00:22:40.360 and he is of course a volsung so the volsung young in battle victor well he trusted the

00:22:49.540 brothers twain with mighty oaths among them sworn so they had time in the mead hall and they were

00:22:57.380 united and uh this of course sets the tone this is when he when sigurd is young and is fresh

00:23:06.940 from slaying Fafmir.

00:23:11.620 The maiden they gave him

00:23:13.800 and Jules many, Gudrun the young,

00:23:16.920 the daughter of Gyuki,

00:23:18.720 they drank and spake full many a day,

00:23:23.160 Sigurd the young and Gyuki's sons. 0.75

00:23:27.020 Thereafter went they, Brynhild to Wu, 0.84

00:23:31.180 and so with them did Sigurd ride.

00:23:33.880 so it's a it's a brief like it's a uh condensement of the whole that whole situation where now

00:23:43.000 things have turned around and they go into great much more greater detail in the Volsota saga

00:23:48.900 it's because this is hen's gamma yes the the kind of

00:23:53.400 shorter or and it's kind of funny just because of how long the poem is but um

00:24:01.520 this is the it it glosses much and i think again the purpose of this poem was to

00:24:13.280 teach poets not necessarily to be to speak about a subject that most of the audience

00:24:22.160 was very well familiar with already but as a supplemental or um addition so again if you're

00:24:34.400 just tuning in and haven't been following us with the sigurd or the dragon slayer cycle um

00:24:42.160 the sigurd is again connected now to gudru he forgets about his love brinhild on the mountain

00:24:52.160 but in turning he says to to the brothers that there is the fire upon the mountain a great

00:24:59.520 maiden there um and so they decide to go there and try to jump the fire to woo her and uh

00:25:12.480 they are unaware that sigurd has already done so

00:25:16.320 so this is where all of the layers of calamity start to kind of tie themselves into a knot

00:25:25.520 before everything eventually gets undone

00:25:29.180 thereafter went they Brynhild to Wu and so with them did Sigurd Thryde the Volsung young in battle

00:25:41.340 valiant himself would have had her if all had seen if all he had seen the southern hero there's the

00:25:51.380 southern part that i was uh talking about the southern hero his naked sword fair flashing let

00:25:59.120 between them lie nor would he come to the maid to kiss the hunnish king in his arms never held

00:26:08.420 the maiden he gave to Gyuki's son. So just in that, again, very, very broad flashing words, 0.54

00:26:20.700 strong and stark, really showing off poetic inflections, but very swiftly going over things

00:26:33.380 in the stories um and the uh the daughter of the hunnish folk is brinhild um but when he goes there

00:26:47.240 and gunner cannot jump the fire they use sorcery and cover sigur and he jumps the fire a second

00:26:57.860 time because he's pure of heart or pure of pure bravery and he knows though that he is doing it

00:27:07.120 for his friend Gunnar so he puts his sword in between himself and Brynhild and Brynhild is

00:27:16.280 confused because this isn't Sigurd. Sigurd jumped it and then left and has not returned and now

00:27:24.680 another person has jumped it and she's already made her oaths but the overarching oath of going

00:27:31.960 with the person who jumps and remains leaves her to go with gunner who she doesn't know is actually

00:27:41.560 sigurd again um so he gives the maid the maiden he gave to gyuki's son 0.51

00:27:55.560 Ill she had known not in all her life. 0.56

00:27:59.380 This is speaking about Brynhild.

00:28:02.520 And not of the sorrows of men she knew.

00:28:06.100 Blame she had not, nor dreamed she should bear it.

00:28:09.960 But cruel the fates that among them came.

00:28:14.940 And so this is kind of an interesting point because it doesn't necessarily bring up the fact that the reason why Brynhild,

00:28:23.840 or battle armor is her name is on the mountain for directly disobeying lord ovin so it kind of

00:28:34.580 glosses over that i think that ultimately the purpose is again wordage and um i think it also

00:28:44.880 lends to an interesting concept that this was all kind of foreseen and that they were unable to see

00:28:52.500 the outcome of everything that was to come and also that the ring inside the horde

00:28:59.620 of the dragon is ultimately cursed perhaps it's shrouding everything from everyone so that it can

00:29:07.520 just wreak havoc if you will um by herself at the end of the day she sat and in open words her heart

00:29:20.180 she uttered i shall sigurd have the young hero even though within my arms he dies

00:29:30.660 the word i have spoken soon shall i rue it his wife is gudrun and gunner am i

00:29:37.860 or gunners am i ill norns set for me long desire so she's lamenting the fact that

00:29:46.740 she loves sigurd and as she has found out throughout the story that sigurd is with gudrun

00:29:56.740 and she now with gunner um her heart is is broken and ill are the you know the the nornir

00:30:06.980 the the spinners of fate and they have set her in tragedy because her heart is filled with long desire

00:30:16.740 um so in eight so before we can continue for a sec

00:30:28.140 um i would like to just take a moment to notice uh michael in alabama who donated

00:30:37.220 40 to general fund thank you michael we appreciate it uh adrian in minnesota donated

00:30:45.180 $115 towards getting Baldur's steeple replaced. Thank you for that. We appreciate it very much.

00:30:53.440 And Gilbert donated $150 to beautify Thorshof. If this gets on VNS, can y'all mention the Thorshof

00:31:04.780 beautification project? So there is a project to beautify. No, so details on what exactly that's

00:31:14.360 running. Thorshof is amazing. And it's the oldest, the building itself is the oldest

00:31:23.960 Hof we have. I believe the building as it is now dates back in the actual Bay area dates

00:31:33.680 It's back to the 1870s.

00:31:41.020 Looks like the paint job is the original paint job, so it needs some touch-up work, and gentlemen

00:31:49.880 are gonna be working on that here in the coming months, and we appreciate your donation, Gilbert,

00:31:56.340 to help make that as spectacular for the Thunderer as possible.

00:32:02.480 is much appreciated, I'm sure. Carry on. Yeah, they're coming down and spending time out there, 0.51

00:32:13.980 making sure, you know, and redoing the outside. And that's going to take commitment to being

00:32:23.340 there on site. It's not something that can be done just in a day. So there's a lot of that as well.

00:32:32.480 So, in eight, oft did she go with the grieving heart on the glacier's ice at eventide.

00:32:47.860 Again, this is an interesting point in why people think that it might have been composed in Greenland.

00:32:54.600 Or, I don't think that it does because there are glaciers in Iceland.

00:33:00.600 There are glaciers in Norway, but most importantly is understanding that this is centered in continental Europe.

00:33:12.600 And to be honest, I mean, you know, there are glacial shifts in the Alps as well.

00:33:20.100 So I don't even think that it necessarily just harkens to the fact that this is somehow uniquely Icelandic in its understanding.

00:33:30.980 I think glaciers were understood throughout for all of our people, especially coming out of the time of migration.

00:33:38.600 But people have come up with this in their head.

00:33:43.120 But I think it's worth noting that this is interesting because then it moves into the next stanza.

00:33:48.880 And the next stanza is actually an interpolation that was not in the original manuscript. So it's kind of an addition. And then the 10th brings us right back into the actual.

00:34:01.060 And so the interpolation was introduced by a historian and scholar who, you know, where he, the reasonings why he put that in and where he got that, you know, I don't know, honestly.

00:34:22.060 So, she was of a grieving heart, and she found herself standing on the glacier ice in the evening, lamenting, when Gudrun then to her bed was gone, and the bedclothes Sigurd about her laid, and the Hunnish king with his wife is happy.

00:34:46.660 this is the intercalation now gyuki's child to her lover goes

00:34:52.780 joyless am i am and mateless ever till cries from my heavy heart burst forth

00:34:59.760 so in essence she's lamenting that gudrun goes to her love and she must go to gunner who was

00:35:11.840 not brave enough to jump the fire and uh sigurd tricked her as she perceives it so now she's just

00:35:23.520 um completely forlorn and has to go to or is wed to the person she doesn't love um

00:35:34.000 in her wrath to battle she roused herself gunner now thou needs must lose lands of mine and me

00:35:45.380 myself no joy shall i have with the hero ever so at this point this is where she realizes i can

00:35:54.520 never have sigurd so what i'm going to do is i'm going to make gunner an agent in my destruction

00:36:02.580 of both Sigurd and himself and everything around.

00:36:12.000 11, back shall I fare

00:36:14.140 where first I dwelt among the kin that come of my race 1.00

00:36:18.740 to wait there sleeping my life away

00:36:22.740 if Sigurd's death thou shalt not dare

00:36:26.180 and best of heroes thou shalt not be.

00:36:29.780 So she's going to leave and reside amongst the Huns and fall into despair if he doesn't bring about vengeance against Sigurd.

00:36:45.960 The sun shall fare with his father hence and let not long the wolf cub live.

00:36:53.340 Lighter to pay is the vengeance price after the deed if the son is dead.

00:36:59.780 So, the son is the three-year-old son of Sigurd and Gudrun.

00:37:07.420 His name is Sigmund. 0.95

00:37:10.320 And again, Renhild wants him dead as well, 0.98

00:37:13.000 because he is a physical representation of her, 0.95

00:37:19.060 or as she perceives Gudrun's trickery.

00:37:24.220 um and of course gunner is the uncle of that child so and he's in a bad way because ultimately

00:37:35.660 he started all of this by asking sigurd to jump the fire so in 13 sad was good gunner and bowed

00:37:46.280 with grief deep in thought the whole day through yet from his heart it was ever hid what deed most

00:37:53.280 fitting he should find or what thing best for him should be or if he should seek the volsung to slay

00:38:01.680 for with mighty longing sigur he loved so

00:38:09.920 deep in his heart they had made oaths and were friends and now brenhild wants him to slay him

00:38:18.960 slay the son of his sister um and so he's deeply conflicted and again this is all very very

00:38:30.960 flashpoint swift and the purpose of it is again expressing giving poetic just power chops in every

00:38:43.360 verse um uh let me see so 14 much he pondered for many an hour never before was the wonder known

00:38:58.000 that a queen should thus her kingdom leave in council then did hogni call for him in truest

00:39:06.080 trust he held so never before had a queen threatened to leave and go back to her people

00:39:12.960 after marriage he didn't know what to do he's toiling with this so his brother hogney uh he

00:39:20.640 calls they they come to together in council and he trusts him um utmost and of course since we've

00:39:28.080 covered this already it is in other versions it is their third brother their youngest brother

00:39:35.600 that is ultimately brought to do the deed and and kill sigurd and in one version he's ambushed

00:39:43.920 while sleeping and the other is that he is met in battle but the youngest brother is so incensed

00:39:50.960 with might and uh magic that he is able to kill sigurd um but i you know we'll find out if this

00:40:00.320 even mentions that um so they go together in council um 15 more than all to me is brinhild

00:40:14.960 boothly's child the best of women my very life would i sooner lose than yield the love of yonder

00:40:23.040 made so now gunner is kind of written as a just deeply he does not want to lose her

00:40:30.960 he is in love with her um even though he was not brave to jump the fire um

00:40:38.720 and this again sets the precedent of why he will do almost anything that he is the perfect uh tool

00:40:48.880 tool for Brynhild's Revenge. So I am going to digress for a second because we've got some

00:40:54.800 ongoing themes in the chat room. And I don't know if I'm pounding them because it's taking me half

00:41:02.840 an hour to drink one, but I am absolutely drinking some beers tonight. Tonight I'm drinking Sierra

00:41:08.400 Nevada IPA selection. I get the variety pack at Costco because it entertains me. And this one is

00:41:16.880 a atomic torpedo coming in at 9.2%. So there you go. Other thing, the big kind of topic in there

00:41:28.120 that I figure we quick address is thoughts on Pete Hegseth's declaring no more Nordic pagan

00:41:37.200 beardos. Beards not being professional will be required. There'll be required shaving. So 0.95

00:41:46.180 i don't know that this one ever goes away but this has been something that non-members but

00:41:57.940 various outs of true are who are misguided reach out to the afa as recently as last week

00:42:08.640 to try to get us to write them some kind of religious exemption so that they can have

00:42:14.280 beards in the military there is absolutely no religious requirement that you must have

00:42:23.000 a beard to practice house a troop um that's

00:42:32.760 i think i know where that kind of started though yeah

00:42:35.640 it's a modern thing people like to

00:42:46.200 so i want to be fair though and yes i find it ridiculous but i think that

00:42:55.000 when somebody newly comes to alsatrew they come up with in their head what they think

00:43:01.560 it's supposed to be oftentimes that is informed by strange pop culture nuggets and not by deep

00:43:12.440 wisdom or you know a deep relationship with the icer and you know for what it's worth we shouldn't

00:43:20.360 expect that they're coming from nothing to their first forays into aussitru often everybody starts

00:43:26.760 somewhere um if you started by watching vikings or whatever on the tv then your

00:43:36.280 your presets are going to be real different than

00:43:40.760 the reality of of our faith and how it's practiced so i think you know some of it's not poorly

00:43:46.440 intention but we tend to use snowflake as a pejorative to young lefties and all their absurd

00:43:59.880 nonsense but i think we need to be aware of when people on our team do that stuff too everybody

00:44:05.880 wants different little special rules for very little reason there's no requirement to do that

00:44:13.880 that's not a thing our ancestors at various times had beards had no beards had no beards and just

00:44:20.520 mustaches had no mustaches and just beards had shaved sides of their head went bald went growing

00:44:28.200 their hair super long grooming styles and hair and facial hair fashion has changed throughout the

00:44:36.840 entire course of our folk um the one thing that has stayed constant is people are excited about

00:44:45.160 making sure they've got a good looking haircut and a good looking beard it's one of the things that

00:44:49.800 even the people that you know claim about biking barbarism with their beards and whatever

00:44:55.400 know they took immaculate care of washing them and combing them and trimming them and the

00:45:02.840 that's one of if not and correct me if I'm wrong but I think that is the most common artifact they

00:45:10.340 find is things related to grooming be it a comb be it a earwax scoop be it a little scissors kind

00:45:20.700 of clipper thingy to clip hairs those things have always been really important to our ancestors

00:45:28.700 because looking sharp is important.

00:45:35.060 Looking sloppy is not.

00:45:37.380 Wanting an excuse to be a different snowflake,

00:45:40.920 that's not what the military is geared towards.

00:45:43.700 And I don't want to overstep,

00:45:44.820 but I think that Svaun, being a veteran,

00:45:47.280 can speak to that a little bit more.

00:45:50.280 There's a time and a place,

00:45:51.720 and conformity and uniformity of grooming standards

00:45:55.600 and appearance is really important in you know our proud very much our western military tradition

00:46:03.440 and we don't something else that i i want to address is the people that reach out saying

00:46:12.960 afa please write me a religious exemption the most recent guy who did said i know it's not required

00:46:20.080 to have a beard to do house to true but please write me a religious exemption

00:46:27.760 some people don't understand that we take this very very seriously

00:46:34.480 for us to put the moral weight of the house true folk assembly behind a position we can't

00:46:42.240 do that for a purpose that we do not believe is religiously valid we're not going to tell the

00:46:49.440 government that the gods require you to have a beard unless we believe that the gods require

00:46:55.040 you to have a beard and they simply don't i noticed some people talking um in the chat about

00:47:02.960 examples and yeah there have been examples in the past of tribal traditions of you know not being

00:47:10.160 able to have a beard until you accomplish something on the battlefield or not being

00:47:14.320 able to shave until you have something accomplished somebody points out uh harold harfager um his hair

00:47:22.320 thing yeah until he accomplished the deed he was letting his hair grow and get matted and looking

00:47:28.240 gross and looking homeless until he could because that was a mark of shame because the longer it

00:47:32.960 took for him to accomplish his task that was the motivation to fix it so that he could show up 0.74

00:47:38.640 shaved. There's a lot of different ways you can do that. And I'm sure there are ways that you can

00:47:44.520 make a personal oath that is expressed through your grooming habits. But if you sign up to meet

00:47:51.720 a certain standard of how you're going to look and how you're going to behave, you need to get in

00:47:54.820 line and do that. That's important. But yeah, I'm glad that he said that I am embarrassed that he

00:48:00.860 had to. I think that when our folks spend that very, very precious capital of being taken seriously

00:48:09.260 on wanting my Viking beard, I think that takes away from when you have a legitimate use for that

00:48:18.140 or you want to actually stand on principle about something that matters. You've already used up a

00:48:23.740 lot of that credibility by requesting things that are silly and eccentric without validity.

00:48:30.860 So that's my thoughts on it.

00:48:32.580 It's fine.

00:48:32.840 Do you have anything to add on that being a veteran?

00:48:35.360 Well, and also being a barber.

00:48:37.340 Like that's.

00:48:37.880 Yeah, there you go.

00:48:38.500 You got multiple angles.

00:48:40.540 Right.

00:48:40.860 Double, double barrel on that one.

00:48:43.960 No, I think from the historical and barber perspective, if there was any case to be made, it would be a cultural one.

00:48:57.100 I know that during, uh, in Germany, that the mustache is the symbol, um, all the way back

00:49:06.100 to the Roman age when, when there was a, uh, a Germanic leader who coins or minted any

00:49:12.040 coins in Rome, it was known that he was Germanic on the coin because his little effigy had

00:49:19.060 a mustache that was like, oh, that's, that's definitely a Germanic or a northerner.

00:49:25.120 um and it was so important that during one of the i believe it was the second reich they had

00:49:33.560 um there were members of their the military that were in marching groups and if they could not

00:49:41.920 grow a mustache they painted one on them and then inversely the uh amish are so in dedication to 0.82

00:49:52.580 pacifism from their from the the torah or the bible uh that they shave their mustaches off 0.92

00:50:02.340 as an exempt or standing against the germanic culture of mustaches and war or warriors but 0.85

00:50:10.100 this goes across all uh like aryan branches um the slobs with the the kosakis and their 0.97

00:50:18.660 giant mustaches and uh mohawks with their sides of their heads shaved um you know all the way to 0.99

00:50:27.300 uh the even the galls verton getterix is mentioned as having a giant mustache um when he's brought in

00:50:37.540 before caesar um so a beard is absolutely optional and um and i again i don't think

00:50:49.220 it necessarily has a case that you would say that somehow the the gods have decreed

00:50:55.220 that we need mustaches but it's certainly cultural and the military does allow for mustaches

00:51:02.180 um actually they're quite popular in certain circles depending on who you're connected to

00:51:08.380 whether you're in you know special operations or marine corps raiders or uh like sometimes even

00:51:16.640 just whole like it'll be popular on the east coast with some of the navy while the west coast it

00:51:22.980 might not be so popular so there's nothing saying that you can't have a mustache um

00:51:29.840 so that kind of immediately knocks that out the bronze age and the usage of razors was such a big

00:51:38.420 flex back in the day um that it was oftentimes a sign of royalty and that's happened there's

00:51:46.820 been these kind of waves of shaving no shaving shaving and no shaving uh we see that like with

00:51:54.500 the Civil War by World War II, the big giant mustaches are gone. You need a small mustache

00:52:01.740 for your gas mask. And it just goes back and forth. And you can, throughout our folk,

00:52:08.940 you just see this, but there's nothing stating religiously that you must have a beard to be

00:52:17.860 ousted through. I'll go further. There's nothing stating that it's preferential or that you should

00:52:23.160 have a beard to be also true right i mean there there are some foreign militaries that have beards

00:52:30.280 the norwegian the british and it would be cool if the military sometimes people can't grow a beard

00:52:39.160 and try to and it looks terrible sometimes people have amazing beards right it's not an anti-beard

00:52:45.000 uh polemic but that's not a fundamental tenet of also true is one must have a beard um other thing

00:52:52.760 i want to say but just because it's going on in the chat room and we'll get back into the text

00:52:57.160 um tyler you should join

00:53:01.320 you take your time do what you need to do and if you decide to join down the road that's

00:53:05.880 fantastic but i'd encourage you to join now um you mentioned you're in the bible belt that is

00:53:12.920 our strongest area of membership i would say um you can be as open about your membership in the

00:53:20.520 afa as you want to be i would encourage you to be very open about your religious practice but you

00:53:27.080 sure don't have to be that's up to you we don't share you know our member roles with people

00:53:33.560 that's entirely up to you how much you want to make that known to your employers or your

00:53:39.880 co-workers or anybody else but um it's the right thing to do and uh

00:53:46.760 And we'll be happy to have you join whenever you're ready, but I would highly encourage

00:53:53.380 you to be ready right now.

00:53:55.660 Anyways, that's my plug they're going to put out there.

00:53:59.560 It's no time like the present.

00:54:01.200 And I know a lot of people that have put off a lot of things in the future that they don't

00:54:06.260 get around to doing and they miss out on a lot in the meantime.

00:54:09.220 And I think the other thing is kind of a side note.

00:54:11.980 I'm not saying you have to do this at all.

00:54:13.740 there's this big fear thing once you are open and honest about who you are and what you believe

00:54:20.880 and folks know that going in then you don't have to cross that bridge at a different time

00:54:25.600 it's out there it is and you cannot worry about that and I think it works better than people

00:54:32.440 think people don't get fired for being AFA members they don't get fired for being house

00:54:37.460 true i know of that happening one time in the united states that person's doing really well

00:54:47.620 now because of that so that's not a big thing um tons of people are very open about who they are

00:54:59.460 i think that's much more of a you know doing edgy political activism is a much bigger

00:55:06.100 concern in your church affiliation but i will say this you fare far better with your employer when

00:55:14.100 you are open and proud and happy about your religious practice than if it's some big secret

00:55:22.100 that gets exposed and then you're on your heels acting guilty most of everyone i know who's been

00:55:29.940 up front about you know just not hiding it and just being happy about who they are it's never

00:55:36.580 been a problem the people that it's been problematic for have been people who it was

00:55:41.620 like some secret and then they acted very defensive when it was brought to their attention

00:55:45.940 just putting it out there uh come around whenever you want to come around but i would encourage that

00:55:52.020 to be today anyways it's fine if you would take us back into the text at your leisure all right

00:56:00.180 oh i was also going to say primal mike kindred said he's not in the afa but you should consider

00:56:04.660 joining but he said that he already i already told him that this morning i i stand by that

00:56:09.940 he absolutely should um but i appreciate you wanting to donate and i pretty

00:56:15.460 I'm the

00:56:18.380 of the Astro Folk Assembly

00:56:20.340 yes I'm going to tell you every single day

00:56:22.460 that you should join us and you should be here

00:56:24.140 because you should

00:56:24.900 I firmly believe that I wouldn't be sitting where I'm sitting

00:56:27.960 but that said

00:56:29.220 I really appreciate all you guys joining us

00:56:31.620 being in the audience you guys are welcome

00:56:33.340 I'm not going to be overly pushy

00:56:35.620 but I got to push a little because it's like literally my job

00:56:38.440 so as we go into

00:56:43.280 verse 16

00:56:45.220 uh and we're we're at the point where gunner is telling his brother i will not do anything to lose

00:56:56.600 um her love i i will do anything so he he's in this point of conflict he says uh wilt thou the

00:57:08.120 hero for wealth betray.

00:57:11.020 Twere good to have

00:57:12.020 the gold of the Rhine and all 1.00

00:57:14.040 the horde in peace to hold

00:57:15.840 and waiting fortune thus

00:57:18.020 to win.

00:57:20.420 Few the words of

00:57:21.740 Hogni were his brother.

00:57:25.480 Us

00:57:26.080 it beseems not so

00:57:28.060 to do, to cleave

00:57:30.020 with swords the oaths

00:57:31.740 we swore, the oaths

00:57:34.240 we swore and all our

00:57:35.960 vows.

00:57:38.120 We know no mightier men on earth, while we four over the folk hold sway.

00:57:46.240 And while the hunnish hero lives, nor higher kinship the world doth hold.

00:57:52.960 If sons, we five, shall soon beget, great methinks our race shall grow.

00:57:58.940 So this is, I love this verse.

00:58:02.340 um or the the actually 17 and 18 because hogney is saying things but generally he's kind of given

00:58:11.300 a very minuscule place in the other stories but here he's saying of all the tribes and of all the

00:58:19.200 people we are the greatest the highest and if we have children our our greatness will pass on and

00:58:28.940 grow and we will have so much interconnected all the way to the far, far east in Romania and in

00:58:37.020 the lands where the Huns are pushing in, all the way to the, you know, the western coast of France.

00:58:43.880 Our folk are finally kind of united in this tribal alliance under the great

00:58:51.540 uh just might of all of these king warriors and so i really love how um it's kind of portrayed

00:59:02.740 there and he says it i mean all the poetics in this poem are amazing um but again he's saying

00:59:09.780 i don't think you should go and attack sigurd i don't think that this this we are tearing

00:59:15.560 ourselves down at a time of our greatest height and he warns about that and he tells his brother

00:59:26.420 so and all too again for to to what to satiate Grinhild's hate um in hopes that if you slay him

00:59:37.800 somehow she will love you more um so very very just tragic and and beautiful stuff um

00:59:48.760 he continues to say just at the very end he says if sons we five shall soon beget great

00:59:54.920 me thinks our our race shall grow well i see whence lead the ways to bitter far is brynhild's

01:00:02.280 fate hate excuse me so he says her hatred is going to lead us into ruin then gunner speaks in return

01:00:12.760 got arms got orm to wrath we we needs must rouse our younger brother so he doesn't even listen to

01:00:22.280 his brother and the wise counsel he's like no we're gonna get our little brother to do it

01:00:28.880 So he is so wrapped up in trying to make Brynhild love him

01:00:34.240 that he just right around it.

01:00:37.200 No, no, no, no.

01:00:38.660 Gautorm, we're going to get him to get wrathful.

01:00:41.880 We're going to rouse his anger.

01:00:43.740 Our younger brother and his rashness, he's blind.

01:00:47.460 He didn't enter the oaths that we swore with Sigurd

01:00:50.600 after he came down from the mountain.

01:00:52.960 So he's not bound to those.

01:00:55.560 Now, remember, these are Oath brothers, Oathmen, and that is still not good that they're, you know, trying to find these ways to get around all of this.

01:01:08.380 And I think Hogni stays with his brother throughout all of this because he is his brother, but not because he believes he's correct.

01:01:19.820 Another tragic character that's not often talked about.

01:01:22.480 So in 20, he says, yeah, Gawthorn to wrath. We needs must rouse. Our younger brother in rashness, blind, he entered not in the oaths we swore. The oaths we swore and all of our vows. He's not a part of it.

01:01:38.840 in 21 uh it was easy to rouse the reckless one the sword in the heart of sigurd stood

01:01:51.240 so first off if you're reading in the uh website volospad.org there's a um

01:01:58.600 there is no gap indicated in the manuscript but there's clearly a gap because there's not

01:02:03.720 four or more lines so uh the the multi dot is showing that there seems to be either a mistake

01:02:12.200 in um that there is something missing or it was unknown to the person writing this

01:02:18.680 the poem down there's just no understanding as to where those two lines went but it very quickly

01:02:25.800 goes to the inevitable is yes their little brother gets roused into anger and in one

01:02:33.240 version he's drinking wolf's blood and he just goes crazy and he breaks in and while his sister

01:02:44.680 is his older sister is sleeping next to her husband sigurd he slays him by stabbing the sword

01:02:52.200 into Sigurd. And that's, of course, one of the versions, but, you know, there seemed to be going

01:03:03.560 specifically with that one. And I think that's probably logical, considering that this poem

01:03:09.720 was constructed in the later Nordic period. And so clearly the Volsunga saga had been

01:03:17.220 well-known and was kind of more or less seen as okay this is the the one we are predominantly

01:03:24.640 sticking with um in vengeance the hero rose in the hall and hurled his sword at the slayer bolt

01:03:34.900 uh so if you don't remember in in the Volsaga saga where he pulls the sword out of himself

01:03:43.540 and throws it at uh at uh guttorm cleaves him in twain cuts him i mean because sigurd is the

01:03:53.540 dragon slayer there's no and and to be honest uh even hogney saying you know with the dragon slayer

01:04:02.420 but also us we're just the best of the best in reality i mean sigurd's just really kind of the

01:04:07.860 best of the best and they're in his orbit and so yes he he in vengeance the hero rose in the hall

01:04:15.860 and hurled the searl sword at the slayer bold at gorthram flew a glittering steel of gram full hard

01:04:24.020 from the hand of the king again this poem is very very good um really omen cleft asunder fell

01:04:36.740 forward hands and head did sink and legs and feet did backwards fall so double verification this

01:04:45.860 isn't just one guy getting crazy this is what happened right well it's it's so good though i

01:04:51.300 mean they literally describing the body falling forward while the legs or the the lower half

01:04:56.820 falling back in the poem. That's amazing. 24, Gudrun soft in her bed had slept safe from care

01:05:13.820 at Sigurd's side. She woke to find her joy had fled in the blood of the friend of Freyr she lay.

01:05:21.340 Now, this is an interesting part. This friend of Freire. I looked at a lot of different angles of this, and I think, too, this is clearly a denoting of kingship.

01:05:39.640 um but i also wonder if sigurd being of or in the land of the franks but not from the frankaland

01:05:51.820 people um like gudrun is and and uh gunner i'm wondering you know again if he was from

01:06:01.920 slightly more north like in the danish or the the the the lands in which the like of the angles and

01:06:10.200 the saxons and and and of their connection to uh lord fray there i know we normally think of the

01:06:17.000 the cult of our holy lord as being like really uh foundational in in amongst the swedes but that

01:06:26.160 that wasn't uh the only place um so i wonder too if there's there's just kind of this brief hinting

01:06:34.700 to him being of northern stock um of course in the story lord ovin is present in the volsunga saga

01:06:45.220 repeatedly through. And we can kind of go into theories about during the migration period as

01:06:55.760 the roving tribes started to settle down at the end, clearly bringing the cult of Lord Odin with

01:07:04.800 them into lands that perhaps the cult of Odin was not so strong, but instead the cult of Freyr,

01:07:12.760 The cult of Njord

01:07:14.220 We see this in the Ingetal 0.99

01:07:16.380 Where Snorri

01:07:18.400 Euhemorizes the gods

01:07:20.020 And he says that

01:07:21.600 After Lord Odin

01:07:24.180 As a king

01:07:25.360 Dies

01:07:27.440 The

01:07:29.940 Cult of Njord

01:07:32.060 Resumes or comes

01:07:33.980 Back

01:07:35.200 So very very interesting

01:07:37.960 To think of

01:07:40.480 These stories as

01:07:41.440 you hemorrhaged versions showing the cult of practice being coming into play um but i think

01:07:48.440 that ultimately this might lead to the idea that that sigurd is originally of uh

01:07:56.800 northern german or yeah northern german lowland german or of like a utlandish kind of uh stock

01:08:07.900 so i want to throw in just before we keep going um and no i'm not insane my daughter was trying

01:08:14.780 to take a whole bunch of pictures of me so i was making faces for them um a couple couple few things

01:08:23.100 primal mike kindred thank you you made good on your on your your uh your claim that you were

01:08:30.620 going to donate and you donated quick 150 towards phrase hop we appreciate it very much thank you

01:08:37.420 Man of his word.

01:08:42.860 So, Tyler.

01:08:47.040 Tyler remarks, Matt put me on the $3 Walmart wine.

01:08:51.760 It's not bad at all.

01:08:53.460 Tonight may be the night.

01:08:54.840 That's what I'm saying.

01:08:55.740 When you listen to me, good things happen.

01:08:58.960 Trust and believe.

01:09:00.360 Join up.

01:09:02.420 And just as a plug, it's not bad at all.

01:09:05.920 $3, best of the way to go.

01:09:07.420 i was gonna say too there's something i wanted to bring up is that by you um and a lot of people

01:09:19.860 that might be new to al-satru and new to our culture what uh al-satru goli did when he said

01:09:26.440 you stood true to your word um praise in our culture is often done in a third party sense

01:09:36.100 Like when you hear the idea of, you know, they praised the gods or they praised their one of the biggest forms of praise is when someone of high significance says that you said you were going to do something and you did it and they say it to a large group of people.

01:09:56.920 That's why Sumble is so important sometimes.

01:10:00.000 So that's a huge thing.

01:10:04.160 Just throwing that out there.

01:10:12.560 Rando user, I would not go that far.

01:10:15.660 And I don't want to go down that rabbit hole or I will derail us.

01:10:20.060 The in fact official drink in the AFA, but I do approve, but it is,

01:10:24.680 it is AFA approved.

01:10:26.920 I have to go back to the chat in order to see what's going on.

01:10:31.280 So no worries.

01:10:32.660 I feel bad because I think sometimes I do that.

01:10:34.920 And a lot of people may listen to this on Spotify or the other places you find this fine broadcast in an audio format.

01:10:43.040 It might be confused as to what I'm talking about.

01:10:46.680 But that said, this this poem is awesome.

01:10:52.060 Silliness aside, this poem is awesome.

01:10:54.500 It is really, it's really well written.

01:10:59.160 And another thing that I did want to say too, those of you that may know, I am trying.

01:11:06.680 I am trying to learn my Old Norse via picking up bits of Old Norse vocabulary and learning Icelandic.

01:11:16.660 it is very difficult and does not come naturally to the way my brain works

01:11:24.860 or the way my mouth works for that matter but i'm working on it but what's really cool and

01:11:30.760 one of the reasons i really like these um i'm getting some kind of strange flash on my screen

01:11:37.540 anyways one of the things i really like about the uh melispow.org is it's got the dual uh

01:11:44.000 dual translation there with the original text on one side and the translation on the other so

01:11:50.300 whenever a turn of phrase is interesting to me or they reference something that I'm curious about

01:11:55.780 and I read this is where it comes in handy I start trying to learn Icelandic and other stuff

01:12:02.200 and I feel just so overwhelmed and like I'm not making progress but there'll be bits where I'll

01:12:11.580 hear it, and I'll understand what people are saying, and I'll look over to the side, and I'll

01:12:16.000 read stuff that struck me as odd, and I'll pick things up. I'll be able to like, I'm not saying

01:12:21.740 that I can read it in the original Old Norse and get all of the stuff, but I am saying I can like

01:12:27.760 fact check, you know, you referred to him as Freire's friend. Is that really what it said? And

01:12:33.380 I can look over and it says Vener, Freire's Vener, and okay, I know what that means. Yes, that's

01:12:39.960 literally what it translates at because sometimes they translate funny so it's slowly but surely

01:12:46.460 it's getting there and I say that not to toot my own horn because I'm terrible at it I say it to

01:12:52.320 if I can get it then you certainly can people who are better equipped at language learning you guys

01:12:58.840 can certainly pick it up and it's it may seem eccentric or odd but the little differences make

01:13:07.060 a big difference. And I've found that through the process, I am learning a lot and adding a lot of

01:13:14.160 like dimensionality to the lore as we go back through it. I'm getting a lot of little things

01:13:21.260 out of it. So yeah, for what it's worth, give it a try. It'll sneak up on you what you learn

01:13:28.780 and you'll be impressed with yourself when you do. Well, and also, you know, the

01:13:34.340 the most beloved the uh the word meaning could be lover or friend uh kind of it's like a broad term

01:13:46.900 that was the reason why that nomenclature was one that i had really kind of came across but

01:13:54.020 it's also used later on in relation to lover um so you know it's i think it's worth noting that

01:14:01.940 people need to understand like its context friend lover um beloved and the choices of

01:14:11.220 words that people use when they translate so like when you're looking back at the old norse you get

01:14:17.060 to see how it is delivered whereas with bellows this is just his way of kind of piecing it together

01:14:25.380 and it can be totally different than someone else's so that's another interesting part about

01:14:30.100 knowing old like old norse and learning it is that you get to see wait a minute why did he

01:14:36.980 want to translate it that way you know last thing and i'll let you get back into it

01:14:43.220 i'm just watching primal mike kindred over on the side talking about you know feeling that it's

01:14:50.660 particularly auspicious our announcement about phrasehoff um i don't know what you're up to

01:14:56.900 December the 6th, but that's going to be the dedication of Fraze Hoff. You should come down

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01:15:15.620 Assuming you are a heterosexual white man who is not in an interracial relationship, 0.59

01:15:21.540 we have to say things like that in this day and age, but if that is the case, 1.00

01:15:26.900 You should definitely come down for it because it's going to be awesome.

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01:15:41.300 So kind of jumps back.

01:15:46.160 Her brother comes in, slays Sigurd with the sword, but he gets up, pulls the sword out.

01:15:52.420 But then it jumps back and it says, you know, Gudrun soft in her bed had slept safe from care at Sigurd's side. She woke to find her joy had fled in the blood of the friend of Freyr she lay.

01:16:08.580 so hard she smote her hands together that the hero rose up iron-hearted

01:16:15.700 weep not gudrun grievous tears bride so young for thy brothers live

01:16:25.380 too young methinks is my son as yet he cannot flee from the home of his foes

01:16:31.700 fearful and deadly the plan they found the council knew that now they had heeded they have heeded

01:16:41.700 no sun will ride those seven thou hast to the thing as the as the uh as the son of their sister

01:16:51.380 rides well i see who the ill has worked on brunhilde alone lies the blame for all so in

01:17:01.380 essence he's speaking again about his son sigmund named after his father and he says that that you

01:17:09.940 know he must be protected that they you know he he's too young to flee from this place um

01:17:19.460 and that your brothers are not in essence it's kind of saying like your brothers are not fully

01:17:25.940 to blame, but that they have been bewitched by the blackened heart of Brimhild.

01:17:36.520 And then he continues to speak. He says, above all men, the maiden loved me. Yet false to Gunnur,

01:17:44.240 I never was found. I kept the oaths and the kinship I swore. Of his queen, the lover,

01:17:51.120 none may call me. That's again, he placed the sword between him and Brynhild. He was already

01:17:58.140 married to Gudrun by then. He was helping Gunnar and he still at this point doesn't see kind of

01:18:06.820 the weakness in Gunnar asking him to jump the fire to begin with. And if he had not have done that,

01:18:15.080 If he had not succumbed to the weakness of his old brother, none of this would be happy.

01:18:22.460 It's really, really sad.

01:18:26.640 And in swoon, she sank when Sigurd died.

01:18:32.280 So hard, she smote her hands together that all the cups in the cupboard rang and loud in the courtyard cried the geese.

01:18:41.780 So a couple of things.

01:18:43.520 If we go and look back and I believe it was verse 24, the smoting of her hands together.

01:18:52.200 Some people believe that might be an addition and that 29 is the original verse, but was somehow moved out of memory to after the fact.

01:19:04.360 and that instead it should have been that when she woke up her husband,

01:19:08.140 she smote her hands, that the cups in the cupboard rang

01:19:12.420 and the geese outside reacted.

01:19:14.640 And that's what kind of helped him wake up.

01:19:16.520 So those two are just interesting and how poems are memorized

01:19:22.360 but then can have mix-ups like that.

01:19:26.080 But it's not for sure.

01:19:29.160 So he passes and she swoons in his death.

01:19:34.360 Then Brynhild, daughter of Boothly, laughed only once and with all her heart, when as she lay full loud, she heard the grievous wail of Gyuki's daughter. 0.62

01:19:50.000 So she gives out a torrential and evil laugh as Gudrun cries out at the death of Sigurd. 0.56

01:20:04.360 Then Gunnar, monarch of men, spake forth, Thou dost laugh, thou lover of hate, in gladness there or for aught of good, why has thy face so white a hue, mother of ill, foredoomed thou art?

01:20:24.560 so he he says to her i i see you laughing but deep down inside i know you know

01:20:32.160 that one all of this that you have wrought is bad and you have

01:20:37.800 just brought so much doom upon everyone as it is um

01:20:45.600 in 32 a worthier woman wouldst thou have been if before thine eyes we had atli slain

01:20:54.480 If thy brother's bleeding body had seen and the bloody wounds that thou should and should end.

01:21:04.820 And bearing in mind, too, she is of Atlee's people, of the Huns.

01:21:13.440 So he's saying it would have been better to see you break as we slayed the king of the Huns.

01:21:20.620 um brunhild speaks none mock thee gunner thou hast mightily fought but thy hatred little

01:21:31.000 doth atly heed longer than thou me think shall he live and greater in might shall he ever remain 0.59

01:21:38.200 so he's he he doesn't even think about you as much as you think about him

01:21:46.380 is kind of what she's saying and he will survive long after all of their doom is wrought

01:21:51.980 to thee i say and to thyself thou knowest that all these ills thou didst early shape

01:22:02.080 no bonds i knew nor sorrow bore and wealth i had in my brother's home never a husband 0.77

01:22:10.140 sought I to have before the gyukums fared into our land. Three were the kings on steeds they 1.00

01:22:18.420 came. Need of their journey never there was. So just savagery. She said, I was never looking

01:22:28.780 for a husband. And you three, the brothers of King Gyuking rode into our lands on a journey 0.59

01:22:36.440 that was never needed by me at all this is just so well i know presented it's it's really cool and

01:22:47.000 i'm glad we're glad we're going through this this again um you know i don't think when people start

01:22:55.480 out and they read the eddas you're looking for the big mythology tales you're looking for the

01:23:04.520 bliss bow or you know the have them all or things that are

01:23:12.360 high mythology or very popular i think that we gloss over a lot of these poems

01:23:18.520 and it's only after you've been around a little bit and are more familiar with

01:23:24.200 you know the milieu all this is in that you really appreciate these these nuggets and i'm

01:23:32.120 glad we're going over them yeah this is really well translated and really well written in old

01:23:38.120 norse like it's kind of a culmination of it gets all the bits and jagged pieces out and it's just

01:23:47.800 delivered very smoothly aaron morris i do not know why this is in your youtube recommends but i'm

01:23:54.120 glad that it is but i just stopped over hope you like what you see um yeah we're doing uh

01:24:02.120 We're talking about Ausatru and we're talking specifically

01:24:05.340 about a piece of Edic lore from early medieval Iceland.

01:24:12.020 So, hope you enjoy it.

01:24:15.600 And I'm glad that your recommendations brought you here.

01:24:21.540 Oh, and I made a mistake too on the three kings

01:24:27.680 that came to her land that she said didn't,

01:24:30.840 their their need to journey there was not sought by her she's actually sorry she's speaking of

01:24:37.640 sigurd gunner and hogni the the two older brothers and sigurd um not the magi no

01:24:49.480 no but not gutorm the young one while he was probably too young to travel

01:24:54.360 so uh but just for her to say like i i wasn't looking for anyone and your journey into my

01:25:01.480 lands was not wanted by me but she then kind of doubles round and then reveals something about

01:25:08.280 her love for sigurd the dragon slayer she says um in 36 to the hero great my trough i gave trough

01:25:18.440 uh um loyalty and and uh honoring of of commitment uh we of course say that in wedding vows today

01:25:28.120 with betrothed or what have you but um she says who gold decked sat upon grani's back remember

01:25:37.080 granny of course is sigurd's horse not like to thine was the light of his eyes nor like in form

01:25:45.640 and face are ye 0.96

01:25:47.060 though kingly both ye seemed

01:25:49.700 to be 0.77

01:25:50.320 so now she's

01:25:52.200 not only did I not want you

01:25:55.020 but I gave my love

01:25:57.360 to the one you just 0.64

01:25:59.460 plotted to slay

01:26:00.780 and he was

01:26:02.900 bedecked in gold

01:26:04.520 he had the eyes of a king

01:26:06.580 he had the body of a king

01:26:08.400 and you have just the title

01:26:10.980 is kind of what she's

01:26:13.300 saying to him

01:26:14.220 oh just savage anyways uh 37 and so to me did at least say that share in our wealth i should not

01:26:23.580 have of gold or lands if my hand i gave not more evil yet the wealth i should yield the gold that

01:26:32.300 he in my childhood gave me the wealth from him in my youth i had so if she did not get married 0.89

01:26:40.780 she would not gain the the the gold and titles and and land and things that atli her father uh

01:26:52.620 would or i'm i'm still not if her father is underneath atli but either way she's um

01:27:02.860 um not given them and then she takes a hand in in uh in wed to gunner and doesn't get them either

01:27:13.240 and is basically shuffled off into their kingdom um in 38 oft in my mind i pondered much if still

01:27:23.680 i should fight and warriors fell brave in my bernie in her chainmail armor my brother defying

01:27:34.000 that would wide in the world be known and sorrow for many a man would make but the bond at last

01:27:42.080 i let be made for more the horde i longed to have uh the reference to the gold that sigurd

01:27:51.680 gained from the dragon. She wanted to be with Sigurd in love and have the power of the money

01:28:03.980 that he got from slaying the dragon that would compensate for her loss in wealth by being denied

01:28:14.020 by atli um for more the horde i longed to have the rings that the son of sigmund one

01:28:24.900 no other treasures ever i sought one alone of all i loved nor changing heart i ever had

01:28:34.580 all in the end shall atli know when he hears i've gone on the death road hence

01:28:41.060 of course the death road is hell road and uh interestingly enough the next poem

01:28:50.260 is uh about her trip on hell's road to the afterlife so this is a bit of a foreshadowing

01:29:00.580 for another episode that's coming up a shorter poem but uh interesting nonetheless

01:29:07.380 because it takes place after her death um so she says uh

01:29:15.860 um that she never changed her heart for loving sigurd and in the end the only person that will

01:29:23.140 be able to truly see beyond all the muck of everything going on is atli um or attila um

01:29:37.380 Never a wife of fickle will yet to another man should yield.

01:29:43.080 So vengeance for all in my ills shall come.

01:29:47.300 So she's just burning everything down.

01:29:51.700 Up rose Gunnur, the people's ruler, and flung his arms round her neck so fair.

01:29:58.780 And all who came of every kind sought to hold her with all their hearts.

01:30:04.460 But back she cast all those who came

01:30:08.060 Nor from the long road let them hold her

01:30:11.400 In counsel then did Hogni call

01:30:14.760 Of wisdom now full great is our need

01:30:18.460 Let the warriors here in the hall come forth

01:30:21.760 Thine and mine

01:30:23.040 For the need is mighty

01:30:24.880 If happily the queen from death they may hold

01:30:28.600 Till her fearful thoughts with time shall fade

01:30:33.300 so hog me then calls or uh excuse me gunner tries to embrace uh brenhild and she says no she flings

01:30:44.640 him away as she has um done in her emotional distance ever since she figured out gunner was

01:30:52.760 not the one that jumped the fire so then hog me the brother of gunner says no let's come together

01:30:59.040 now uh sigurd is dead there are going to be many people wondering why our brother killed him

01:31:08.880 and we should have our guards here uh in essence to um kind of hold down the the hall and keep

01:31:19.120 brinhild from it's kind of a double it's to protect their interests from the the wrath and

01:31:26.800 the confusion of the people but also to keep brunhild from telling or doing more and that

01:31:33.840 eventually all of her dread will fade in time it's fine we got breaking news yep our man tyler

01:31:43.200 decided to get off the fence and get on the team well done tyler i salute you that's a good choice

01:31:51.840 that's cool seriously

01:31:56.800 And I mean, I hope we get a chance to meet. That'd be great.

01:32:04.260 Yeah. When we get off here and we find out where he lives, you will.

01:32:09.720 Okay. Awesome. Excellent.

01:32:15.440 So he says, let's get our men, all of our guards and all of our army, our strongest folk.

01:32:22.700 we're going to bring them here to the hold and um they will keep order in lieu of sigurd's death but

01:32:31.340 they will also keep brennhild from working any more of her her evil until her uh fearful thoughts

01:32:41.660 with time shall fade few words of hogni were from the long road now shall ye hold her not

01:32:51.020 that born again she may never be foul she came from her mother forth and born she was

01:32:58.540 for wicked deeds sorrow to many a man to bring he's of course speaking about uh brinhild

01:33:08.780 oh just that is i mean the way that's written is just brutal

01:33:14.220 foul she came from her mother forth and born she was for wicked deeds

01:33:20.460 um from the from the speaker gloomily gunner turned so away from hogni the one who is

01:33:32.900 saying these things gunner turns um and is just derided with the fact that he loves

01:33:42.260 Brunhild and can never have her

01:33:46.260 and she is the cause of all 0.99

01:33:48.520 of the woe. Kind of

01:33:50.420 also alleviating himself of the fact that

01:33:52.480 he tricked her to begin with.

01:33:55.740 From the

01:33:56.600 speaker gloomily

01:33:58.060 Gunner turned for the 0.66

01:34:00.380 jewel bearer her gems

01:34:02.680 was

01:34:04.160 dividing. On all

01:34:06.540 her wealth her eyes were gazing 0.99

01:34:08.360 on the bond woman slain

01:34:10.720 and the slaughtered slaves her birney of gold she dawned and grim was her heart air the point

01:34:19.520 of her sword had pierced it on the pillow at last she laid and wound her plan she pondered over

01:34:28.800 and wounded her plan she pondered over so here is where it's in essence speaking of

01:34:37.520 brynhild commits suicide she uh slakes her own life um in an essence perhaps the the overall plan was

01:34:51.760 to alleviate sigurd from marriage through death and then she would in turn take her

01:34:57.440 own life and then they would be together in the afterlife and that's like 0.94

01:35:04.640 a whole nother level of the fury that this this woman is um

01:35:16.000 the uh the idea too is of the of the serfs and the slaves that were killed this of course is

01:35:24.320 alluding to the funeral pyre that is erected to um her as royalty and of course these practices

01:35:33.280 of the seamless view that life and the afterlife were in congruence with each other in such a

01:35:48.320 palpable way this is of course very much a tradition in all lands amongst all peoples

01:35:58.400 um but it also really does denote the how in in the time and in the place our ancestors

01:36:10.880 experienced things and i think it was because life is brutal war was brutal life was short and um

01:36:20.560 sickness was more common than anything so there is very much whenever we read about our ancestors

01:36:28.480 in the way that they dealt with the concepts of life and the in the afterlife it was that there

01:36:35.520 was no separation between the two but that they were so immediate and visible um but that's

01:36:42.880 mentioned in um the other following or poems that we've already covered i

01:36:52.480 eludes me as to which one i but that's what that that mentions

01:36:58.240 and it also kind of gives a glimpse that the poem

01:37:01.200 and the poet here had absolute access to those poems

01:37:06.400 and is referencing them so in 40 uh 48 was her heart air the point of her sword had pierced it

01:37:16.720 on the pillow at last her head she laid and wounded her plan she pondered over hither i will 0.70

01:37:23.360 that my women come who gold are fame from me to get necklaces fashioned fair to each shall i give 0.68

01:37:32.400 and clothing and garments bright silent were all as she as so she spake and all together

01:37:40.800 answer made slain are enough we seek to live not thus thy women shall honor win

01:37:52.400 so enough of the death um and there is no honor in in these these treacheries uh

01:38:01.760 Now, it says here, too, in the notes, I thought was very interesting, Brenhild means in stanzas 50 to 52, that those of her women who wish to win rewards must be ready to follow her in death.

01:38:16.100 um and again this does really denote more of a continental pre-migration germanic

01:38:26.660 uh practices um more so than uh the late north nordic period except maybe in rare and smaller

01:38:39.600 cases um but uh in 51 she says long the woman linen decked pondered young she was and weighed

01:38:54.900 her words for my sake now shall none unwilling or loathe to die her life lay down but little

01:39:03.660 of gems to gleam on your limbs ye then shall find when forth ye fare to follow me or of menya's wealth

01:39:17.180 and menya's wealth is a a kenning for for gold um

01:39:24.140 Um, the giant or the Jotanus Menya, uh, ground gold down into dust for King Frothi.

01:39:34.320 So it's just a kenning for gold.

01:39:36.260 Um, sit now, Gunnur, for I shall speak of thy bride so fair and so fain to die.

01:39:45.700 Thy ship in harbor home thou hast not, although my life I now have lost.

01:39:54.140 Thou shall Gudrun requite, more quick than thou thinkest.

01:39:59.220 Though sadly mourns the maiden wise, who dwells with the king over her husband dead,

01:40:07.400 a maid shall then the mother bear, brighter far than the fairest day.

01:40:13.660 Svanhild shall be, or the beams of the sun. 0.52

01:40:18.680 So she says to her brother, bear this in mind.

01:40:22.920 your sister is 0.98

01:40:25.080 pregnant

01:40:26.040 they have a son but soon they will

01:40:29.300 have a daughter and her name

01:40:31.380 shall be the 0.64

01:40:33.220 swan of battle and she will 0.98

01:40:35.260 be fairer of skin 0.92

01:40:36.840 than the beams of the sun 0.99

01:40:39.180 she will be of 0.89

01:40:40.880 light countenance and brighter 0.97

01:40:43.400 still so she's

01:40:45.380 kind of

01:40:47.460 prophesizing this

01:40:49.160 Gudrun 0.98

01:40:52.860 a noble husband thou givest yet to many a warrior woe will she bring not happily wedded

01:41:02.100 she holds herself hers shall atley hither seek bothly son and brother of mine

01:41:08.680 so bothly is atley and grenhild's father that clarifies some things for me um uh

01:41:19.920 in essence when she was speaking about atli taking all of the wealth and lands

01:41:26.020 uh and wetting her off that was part of his plan was to wed her off so that he could take her

01:41:32.420 inheritance um and now gudrun will be sought after by her brother so again still prophesying

01:41:41.420 the future that she will not see because she has a sword in her heart uh well i remember how me

01:41:49.020 How me ye treated

01:41:51.240 When ye betrayed me with treacherous wiles

01:41:55.180 Lost was my joy as long as I lived

01:41:58.240 Audrun as wife thou fain wouldst win

01:42:03.880 But atly this from thee withholds

01:42:06.580 Yet in secret tryst ye twain shall love

01:42:10.820 She shall hold thee dear as I had done

01:42:15.940 If kindly fate to us had fallen

01:42:18.520 So she, she says that he married, Attlee married me off to get my inheritance, but in secret, it is Aldrin who truly had an eye for him long ago.

01:42:35.320 and that she will seek to be his

01:42:40.760 after Brynhild dies

01:42:42.600 and she will look more kindly upon him

01:42:47.000 as she would have done

01:42:48.640 if there wasn't all this treachery. 0.88

01:42:53.480 But ill to thee shall Atli bring

01:42:57.540 when he cast thee down in a den of snakes.

01:43:02.440 But soon thereafter Atli to his life

01:43:05.060 me thinks as thou shall lose his fortune lose and the lives of his sons him shall good room

01:43:13.460 grim of heart with a biting blade in his bed destroy so she says that her brother will be

01:43:22.740 uh will even though uh all the room and and um

01:43:28.260 Gunnar will be together after she dies. Atli will not have it and will smite him by throwing 1.00

01:43:38.080 him into a den of snakes, most likely to get his lands and his treasures. But it is after

01:43:44.500 that that her brother, Gudrun, who's currently mourning for the death of Sigurd, will stab

01:43:52.320 atly in his heart uh in revenge so this kind of all supersedes that she's dying from from her

01:44:03.600 self-inflicted wound she gives lay of the rest of the story in a very swift but super beautifully 0.96

01:44:13.340 written and concise uh prose it would be it would better be seen thy sister fair to follow her 0.88

01:44:22.560 husband first in death if counsel good to her were given or a heart akin to mine she had

01:44:29.460 so it would be better she thinks that Gudrun actually die after Sigurd if she was given good

01:44:41.640 council or if she had the same fervor as me but she knows that's not the case that her her fate

01:44:51.160 to slay atli is yet undone slowly i speak for my sake her life methinks she shall not lose she

01:45:02.760 She shall wander over the tossing waves, To where Jonak rules his father's realm.

01:45:11.000 Sons to him she shall bear, Heirs therewith of Jonak's wealth.

01:45:17.000 But Svanhild far away is sent, The child she bore to Sigurd brave. 0.64

01:45:24.680 Biki's word her death shall be, For dreadful the wrath of Jormundrek. 0.79

01:45:31.840 So slain is all of Sigurd's race, and great the woe of Gudrun grows." 0.98

01:45:39.400 So she will send the daughter that's in her belly away, and eventually she will be married 0.94

01:45:47.500 to the Visigoth Ermoneric. 0.75

01:45:51.980 And she is later in that story accused of unfaithfulness and is trampled under horses. And that is the last of Sigurd's race.

01:46:08.040 and gudrun um will be across the waves so i'm assuming perhaps the baltic um but it says here

01:46:19.400 in the notes nonic this king is only known through the contest mall and the stories which

01:46:27.560 like this one are based there on uh is another purely northern addition to the story the name is

01:46:37.560 apparently of slavic origin he appears solely as kudrun's third husband

01:46:45.480 so not much given on that perhaps over the waves too could mean the black sea um but she goes there

01:46:55.480 uh to live with jonak and finds out that her daughter who marries

01:47:02.920 She's the Gothic king is slain and she's alive to hear it.

01:47:11.200 So again, more bold comes to her heart.

01:47:15.200 In 65, yet one boon, I beg of thee, the last of boons in my life it is.

01:47:24.760 Let the pyre be built so broad in the field that room for us all will ample be.

01:47:30.860 for us who slain with Sigurd are.

01:47:35.940 So she says, I ask you one thing.

01:47:40.040 Place the pyre of Sigurd abreast and connected so broad and wide

01:47:46.760 that my pyre and the pyre of my servants who come with me connects to Sigurd.

01:47:53.960 with shields and carpets cover the pyre shrouds full fair and the fallen slaves and beside the

01:48:06.040 hunnish hero burn me beside the hunnish hero there slave shall burn fully bravely decked

01:48:13.400 two at his head two at his feet a brace of hounds and a pair of hawks for so shall all be 0.90

01:48:21.140 seemly done. Let between us lie once more the steel so keen as so it lay when both within one

01:48:30.560 bed we once were, and wedded mates by men were called. The door of the hall shall strike not

01:48:39.340 the heel of the hero fair with flashing rings. If hence my following goes with him, not mean

01:48:46.620 are faring forth shall be bond women five shall follow him and eight of my walls well born are

01:48:53.500 they children with me and mine they they were as gifts that loosely his daughter gave much have i

01:49:01.980 told thee and more would i say if fate more space for speech i had been given my voice grows weak

01:49:10.540 and my wounds are swelling truth i have said and so i die

01:49:20.380 ah that's so good i'm sorry if i'm my interjection i'm trying to

01:49:27.420 step in between the verses to explain to people kind of the gist of things but when i just just

01:49:35.660 get a chance to roll with it it is this is such a good poem this one is extremely well written

01:49:44.060 and very well translated it it's awesome

01:49:50.860 it's awesome oh this is so good i i just would recommend anybody who's listening if they're

01:49:58.300 listening via audio or whatever please at some point get to the lust bulb.org and definitely

01:50:03.660 just get a chance to kind of read through it it's just so good it really really is

01:50:11.180 and that's it that's the that's the entirety of the poem um i really do i think during at

01:50:19.260 the end of the volsunga saga i really kind of wish this was the next one read kind of another

01:50:26.540 broaching point but it also kind of brought us back to all the tragedy of the whole thing

01:50:34.860 after fafnir's maul the dragon the the smith who smith sigurd sword we learn all of that stuff and

01:50:42.220 then we all get to come back to this beauty of why all the just terrible stuff was happening

01:50:50.060 very very tragic story

01:50:52.780 it is this one is just yes it is short but the way it's written is so impactful

01:51:02.000 it's it's just it's it's visceral and it's it's just really well done I'm I'm pretty excited about

01:51:11.880 it yeah i kind of want to um you know like utilize this more and and see if i can't uh mimic its

01:51:20.680 style for um uh bloat in in deference to the gods like i i don't know i something about it just

01:51:32.600 really really good no it's this one is there's some that have like a really cool turn of phrase

01:51:43.560 here or there this one is real just really really solid the entire way through

01:51:49.400 and i'm really excited we got to read it together tonight um

01:51:56.280 so a couple of questions not a ton tonight but we do have a couple of questions to get to

01:52:05.000 why did the gods think or what i'm sorry what did the gods think of vikings going on raids

01:52:14.960 and killing their own people what changed that this is no longer acceptable in modern

01:52:21.100 house of truth. Svan, what are your thoughts? Well, we kind of had a conversation about that

01:52:26.640 a little while ago. I know that there's a kind of common phrase of no more brother wars, but

01:52:34.460 it's worth noting that when our folk were in different tribes and different groups,

01:52:39.380 we fought each other and we praised the gods for victory um so

01:52:48.900 this this uh crucible time in our history made us greatly who we are so much so it actually even

01:52:56.740 defined christianity in a great sense because um it wasn't until the warrior spirit of europe

01:53:05.060 was uh in essence kind of harnessed or or um you know led about to different means by

01:53:15.620 this foreign religion um but that you can wholly see it is not a part of the church before it's

01:53:25.860 when it gets into the heart of germanic europe that the knight the the warrior uh that all shows

01:53:35.140 up again but this time is that's a another step in i think the evolution of our folk we were in a

01:53:42.460 crucible time of fighting each other and that was normal and natural every one all over does that

01:53:49.060 But then as time grew on and the land and the horizons got broader, the reasonings for that became to question.

01:54:03.800 And I think that now a lot of people will try to use a singular time, Iron Age, late Nordic period, or the Viking Age, and say, you know, oh, well, they enslaved, you know, other white people or other European people or what have you.

01:54:25.640 Not a great look for somebody who is so concerned about the ethnicity or what have you.

01:54:31.800 and uh that's not as big of an own as i think they think it is um but the reality is is that

01:54:39.720 our ancestors adapted to their times as they did there was huge advancements in war there were

01:54:47.780 huge advancements in travel but there was not a lot of land there were population booms etc

01:54:55.560 there's lots of different conditions that we can look at that brought us to fighting each other

01:55:01.280 And, you know, the Norse did not fight the Anglo-Saxons because they were Christian. They fought the Anglo-Saxons because they wanted their land on the eastern side of the island.

01:55:13.400 But as we go, the idea of homogeneity amongst our culture, amongst our religion, amongst our folk has become an issue because we are faced with certain things that our ancestors were clearly not faced with.

01:55:31.280 When it comes to politics, you know, it's like it's kind of like saying if you don't believe in monarchies, are you really also true?

01:55:41.800 Because all our ancestors believed in kings.

01:55:45.100 But again, these kings are clearly different than the Christendom kings, but the Christendom king isn't separate from the Jarl kings or the kings of the of the of the Viking age.

01:55:57.900 No, there are like a hyper focusing of it. This is just all part of the evolution of things. And the gods have always been concerned with us governing ourselves. It's not about whether we are kings or tribal or, you know, what have you. The gods just want us. I mean, Lord Forseti guides us in governing ourselves, but to which way I think is a matter of dispute.

01:56:26.880 And so sometimes that means we fight about it.

01:56:31.240 And the gods have seen us do this forever since they breathed on into us.

01:56:40.260 So I don't think that it's forbidden now, nor is it something that we necessarily have to link ourselves to because of the past.

01:56:51.020 They were of the time and we are of our time.

01:56:54.500 And so the gods, I think, wish to see us return to them and live in accordance with what is best for us in this day and age, just as they did then.

01:57:10.800 Yeah, absolutely.

01:57:11.680 We have to break this fascination that Ausatru equals Vikings.

01:57:16.740 It doesn't. 0.98

01:57:17.820 And that is an honest association.

01:57:21.480 the lore that we read comes to us from the viking age

01:57:26.620 the picture painted of our gods is painted with a viking coat of paint i get that

01:57:33.540 but our gods are real living existent gods that have been with us it's just as appropriate to

01:57:44.400 have neolithic depiction of our gods or the furthest you know spacefaring depiction of our

01:57:54.740 gods our gods are our gods and we put those in the lens that we can rationalize and helps us to

01:58:03.500 relate to them and for a particularly beautiful golden age of of literacy amongst our folk it was

01:58:13.280 put down in a early medieval understanding of the viking age i get that but every war

01:58:24.880 that our ancestors were in

01:58:29.760 until the 1700s barring the crusades were brother wars um in the the broadest extension of that

01:58:40.080 So I think there's big macro geopolitical concerns that are relevant to our faith that weren't relevant at the time that our lore was written down.

01:58:53.160 What do the gods think of all of these things? I think it would be impious to say with certainty exactly what they think, because that's not to know.

01:59:04.740 But what they did think that I do stand on, they admired courage.

01:59:10.380 They admired will to power.

01:59:12.600 They admired nobility in action.

01:59:17.700 And they admired the hero and they backed the hero quite often.

01:59:22.720 um most of the heroes that are celebrated in our saga and in story are you know made their bones

01:59:33.180 as it were in brother wars that's what folks did you have a group of concentric circles that go

01:59:41.140 out from you and your family and your your broader family and your your ethnos your ethnos

01:59:48.280 and your race and there's these broader circles and we live in a really different time where

01:59:54.140 things look very differently yes when we're surrounded by people that are completely

01:59:59.860 dissimilar forms of life than us then yes we bond over a very broad race of Aryan peoples 0.81

02:00:08.560 when our world is much smaller and it's competing groups of people that all have a similar race

02:00:15.360 then we we bond over issues or over regionality or over uh over certain things i think our gods

02:00:26.540 have always supported and had a special place for the warriors and the the heroes and those who

02:00:36.580 stepped up to be powerful forces within the world in which they lived and i think that looks

02:00:44.360 different at different times um it would be preposterous for us to try to pretend we are 0.96

02:00:53.160 vikings and behave as vikings we live in a very different world than vikings lived in

02:00:59.080 i think in a lot of ways the vikings would have gladly traded that in to have the convenience 1.00

02:01:07.160 and modern things that we have in our world today around us and they wouldn't have had a need to 1.00

02:01:14.200 travel to foreign lands to or even close by lands to raid and to pillage and to plunder

02:01:22.120 um i think our ancestors we look at the viking age as if it was all scandinavian people were

02:01:30.840 engaged in raiding and pillaging no there was depending on where you're at there a lot of

02:01:35.480 people engaged in trade and in you know fishing and in if they had land that they could could

02:01:45.320 work in crops and in herds just depend on where you found themselves but coastal norwegian vikings

02:01:54.040 that didn't have land that was very fruitful to uh put crops in had to take care of their family

02:02:01.640 the way they knew how and there was a geopolitical incursion of christian nations at the time there's

02:02:11.000 a lot of things that went into the geopolitics of the viking age but again the the

02:02:22.600 the what's and the hows are very um determined by circumstance

02:02:31.640 the whys are very different the whys speak to the soul of our folk and they speak to

02:02:39.080 also true and i think the whys remain the same in a lot of ways but we're all going to apply our

02:02:50.360 our life our efforts and our resources in different ways depending on the hand we're

02:02:54.840 dealt and what we're dealing with and the world we live in today is very different than

02:02:58.920 And, you know, 750 in, I don't know, in Oslo Fjord.

02:03:07.500 So it looks really different.

02:03:09.340 But, no, I don't think the celebration of the death of Aryan peoples is good.

02:03:17.660 I don't think that that's an objective on the table good. 0.75

02:03:23.000 But I do think that the rise of heroes and the success of the bold in bold endeavors has always been celebrated by our gods and remains so to this day.

02:03:38.240 But that's the best of my understanding of it.

02:03:40.500 Like I said, I don't think there's a perfect answer.

02:03:42.260 You'd have to say, what do they think of this particular Viking in this particular raid?

02:03:46.860 And I might have more to contribute on it.

02:03:52.200 But, yeah, I think we need to disabuse ourselves of Alistair True equals Viking, because it's much more than that.

02:04:02.300 And that's one of the things I'm very proud of about the AFA and how we practice our faith is we're modern people unabashedly living in the modern world.

02:04:12.980 And I think anything less would be silly and inappropriate to the legacy that our ancestors gave us.

02:04:22.920 um next question which is an interesting one good evening i'll tell you go through matt

02:04:27.800 whitten's fawn and folk builder nick i have a question about the proper usage of the word for

02:04:33.400 our gods and goddesses i know that the uh are strictly female but that the ic are strictly

02:04:42.680 male but are the ic are strictly male if i wanted to include both male and female do i use

02:04:49.320 ousa is ousa plural can it be used singularly i see that there are the main 12 ice here

02:05:00.120 but are there any minor icier for example is holder an icier uh same question for the

02:05:08.360 our senior are there any minor house in your are there the maidens of finseller our senior

02:05:14.920 uh what about the wives of the icer like sif and nana thanks for all that you do it's fun go ahead

02:05:23.780 and take a swing of this one okay so one of the big things that was has been kind of um prevalent

02:05:32.700 in anybody who is taking a swing at um trying to i guess define hierarchy

02:05:43.860 um but they they come at it from a different angle one uh they'll generally speak of the gods

02:05:53.660 as the total with both the house and our senior as the icier the gods um but they have a tendency

02:06:03.160 to get a little shaky when it comes to explaining outside of the gilva giving uh where to go from

02:06:11.720 there. And you'll see books where there are titles like the Jotunbrides or the Troll Wives

02:06:18.600 or what have you when they're speaking outside of the core list. But for the Asitra Folk Assembly,

02:06:26.120 the idea was to be reverent and observational on the hierarchy that comes to us and has

02:06:36.580 survive. So the first and foremost is the gil beginning as a setting of standard in relation 0.71

02:06:45.600 to the list. King Galfi comes before three gods. I can speak at length about the tripartite, but

02:06:55.320 in short, he comes before the tripartite and he asks the tripartite about whom the gods

02:07:03.200 that men should pray to.

02:07:05.520 That is a very key wording that we focused in on.

02:07:11.900 In the list of the ouse or gods,

02:07:16.060 the masculine divine beings,

02:07:19.660 he lists technically 14,

02:07:24.040 but that two are not worshipped amongst men.

02:07:28.860 So there are 12.

02:07:29.820 and then when he speaks of the uh our senior there are 14 so 14 and 14 but two are marked off

02:07:41.820 that's just something that i think a lot of people don't ever really think about um

02:07:46.940 of course the two that are marked off is of course uh the kinslayer laufi's son

02:07:55.980 Loki, and then also to his blind tool, his blind hand, that which is, of course, Hader.

02:08:07.420 Hader is specifically mentioned as he is not celebrated or prayed to by those who are true

02:08:17.700 to the gods.

02:08:18.980 That doesn't necessarily mean that he's hated.

02:08:21.160 I mean, clearly Loki is the deserver of that onus, but the act itself is still laid upon the hand that did the deed.

02:08:32.760 But that's why when we look at the Gilbaganning, there are 12 and 14 goddesses.

02:08:42.540 Now, the 14 goddesses, a lot of people would read the list and go, well, wait a minute.

02:08:48.020 What about Sif? Sif is clearly mentioned. What about Idun? And so when we were kind of coming up with an understanding for hierarchy, the idea was, okay, we clearly know that Sif is of the gods.

02:09:06.860 She is the wife of Thor. The interrelationship of her placement and the stratification of the earth is very, very prominent when it comes to all of the, especially the oust veneer.

02:09:23.120 Well, or again, we didn't have that word. What we had was just like the others that weren't mentioned in the list.

02:09:30.640 And I looked at a bunch of other different books and I looked at a bunch of different writers and the way that they were kind of saying troll lives that seemed troll has definitely a negative connotation in our ancestors lore so I thought that was very inappropriate.

02:09:46.820 And then Jotunbrides, I think that one was chosen because those people were trying to desperately make a claim that the gods were mixing with another people in a way.

02:10:00.640 And they try to paint the Jotuns as the others. And again, this doesn't necessarily work out in its entirety, because once you know how the Jotuns and the Aesir are of the same origin, but are unique on their own, the Aesir split off, you begin to look at it more like, yes, okay, it's the purpose and the

02:10:30.640 culture and the the focus of the divine so we generally always shape this into chaos and order

02:10:39.760 and that the ice here are of order natural order not not a fake order but a natural order and

02:10:48.240 cosmic order something eternal and it's not long before the gods of natural law the vanir are

02:10:56.480 brought under their dominion through war, but they come to an agreement together. And then

02:11:03.060 on top of this, there are Jotuns who are in the chaos who decide not to and join the gods, 0.60

02:11:13.000 whether in marriage, whether in birth of a new divine being through their coupling together 0.98

02:11:20.340 or through simple act at first.

02:11:25.380 So with all of that being said, the marriage, the coupling, the aid,

02:11:31.720 those leaving the realm of chaos join the gods. 0.86

02:11:37.820 Now, Snorri would list them as, he would say, they're Jotuns. 0.55

02:11:41.780 And in actuality, I think if he didn't fully understand

02:11:48.300 where his ancestors might have listed the divine,

02:11:52.000 he had a tendency to put Jotun as the title.

02:11:55.100 I used to joke and say it was kind of like the slap on tape.

02:12:01.700 You know, don't know what it is? Jotun.

02:12:04.520 But we clearly know that Jörð amongst the Norse

02:12:09.480 and Nerðis amongst the Germanics, and she was worshipped,

02:12:13.840 there was a clear understanding that there was a slight gap

02:12:17.500 because of his uh of the separation from the religion via christianity so the the the term

02:12:28.040 was was brought into uh being through really it was me and aus here ago that you like going over

02:12:38.840 uh um words nordic words and just learning nordic words and looking for nordic words for

02:12:46.300 certain things so i went off and started to look and i found oust veneer and it means like most

02:12:52.700 beloved friend or lover it can it's it fits the entirety so i found that to be it was almost

02:13:03.820 prophetic in the way that it came because i was looking for something and then what caught my eye

02:13:09.500 was the ouse beginning and i was like wait a minute these are the the the most beloved of the

02:13:18.540 gods and they are of the gods so with that being said you have that icier are the gods in total

02:13:27.100 the ouse are the 12 um masculine divine set in the guild beginning by the tripartite to king

02:13:35.740 and they are again regents of their own uh in an in an essence though you can kind of see this

02:13:46.860 they're uh the way they're portrayed in the nordic sense is that there is uh holy frig

02:13:53.980 and holy freya and that the maidens of fensal are kind of orbiting holy frig and then uh holy

02:14:02.460 freya is kind of a a power unto her own um and if if that's you know we see now like in modern

02:14:12.460 house true uh the maidens of fence all are often called upon win or with holy frig but sometimes

02:14:19.660 on their own and so where that goes i think that's more of a cultural thing um as we go forward but

02:14:27.020 it seems to be at that time that's how um they were presented so the aust veneer became the word

02:14:34.940 that i found in relation to the beloved ones that are not specifically listed in the guild beginning

02:14:42.540 and its title is honorific instead of kind of you know all the other uh words that i've seen in

02:14:50.140 these books giving giving these uh great and powerful beings that decide to join on the side

02:14:57.820 of order so lastly there is the hymn the heavenly wardens and this was in essence an observation of

02:15:07.980 the hierarchy of the gods and heavens in a again observing sense with piety and

02:15:17.820 And so I would say that all of the Aesir are all four of these groups connected together.

02:15:28.420 Now, it gets even a little bit more convoluted, but it's worth noting that Austvinir can also extend to folks who perhaps have honorific beliefs in gods that are not listed in the Nordic.

02:15:47.820 remnants that we have um and it's generally seen as you know that the whether they you know there

02:15:57.860 could be a possibility that they're on a honor or deified mortals we don't know we will never know

02:16:03.800 so it is best to be polite and call them of the divine so like i speak like of saxonaut we know

02:16:12.340 that Saxon was honored by the Saxons. And they held Saxon as a god. And instead of us

02:16:20.480 having the humorous to say, oh, Saxon's actually tear. Saxon's actually fray. That is the biggest

02:16:30.600 hip shot, most egotistical garbage that a person of true faith would never do. 0.99

02:16:42.340 So, the Austvenir that are of, like, say for instance, Saxnot. I do not honor Saxnot in any of my day-to-days, but if I meet a folk member who does, he is honoring an Austvenir, one of the gods brought in. 0.99

02:17:05.900 And simply the fact that we are crossing this giant chasm of having our religion gored completely out by the usury and the politics and the wars of a foreign organized, quite criminalistically organized church.

02:17:25.540 We are doing what we think is best, and that is to be humble and honorific to divine and to understand that the gods are and can be more.

02:17:38.760 They unify and create more.

02:17:43.560 But this also brings me to one last thing.

02:17:47.320 Not only do we have that, there are those mentioned in the lore.

02:17:54.040 that most people don't consider Austvenir, and I would encourage people to. For instance, again,

02:18:01.240 I said marriage, birth, and ideologically joining the gods of order. And we see it in the stories,

02:18:10.640 it's just not spoken of openly. But a perfect example of this would be that of Gríder. Gríder

02:18:21.880 is, I write about her in the runes on the mural at Thorshof. And if anybody who's been to Thorshof

02:18:29.560 has seen that he carries an iron rod in his belt. Now, in the stories, it's generally translated

02:18:36.680 to be like a staff, like an iron, maybe quarterstaff or something. But I have always

02:18:43.720 seen it as the the the substitute of Mjolnir at a at a time when he had no he did not have Mjolnir

02:18:54.300 and Gríðir gives him the iron rod so I just kind of kept it within the same

02:19:03.980 size and shape just out of I guess parallelism um but she gives him this rod to fight the 0.58

02:19:13.280 the Jotnar that are after him and then she is of course the mother of Vidar the wide ruler

02:19:21.800 so not only does she help Thor she gives birth to one of our holy gods and she is a part of the

02:19:32.660 earth. So I would say, you know, again, the chaos of the earth being subdued is a continuous point

02:19:41.060 about the gods and the earth, that the cosmic order of the sky brings into balance the chaos

02:19:48.920 of the earth. If we look at the seismographic and climate data, you can see this kind of moment

02:19:59.020 where everything gets brought into a far less unstable situation

02:20:04.940 than it has ever been before.

02:20:08.280 And so Gríðr joins, I think, and I consider her amongst the Æsir.

02:20:16.080 And I know this is going to be controversial as well,

02:20:19.080 and I do not speak of her lightly because I do not wish to invite her

02:20:22.280 in the sense that I just don't wish to invite.

02:20:27.640 But even she who is the shroud of death, the daughter of the betrayer, who shepherds the souls of men, is given her dominion by Lord Odin, and I would include her in that list as an Ostvenir.

02:20:47.040 Now, that could come with some debate, and that's perfectly fine. But the biggest point of this is that our people didn't ever have really a clear and correspondent way to make sense of everything.

02:21:01.000 And we at the Astro Focus Assembly took that leap into the correct way, looking at everyone else and seeing some of these kind of misguided attempts and different reasons.

02:21:16.780 And we said, no, this is as we observe it, this is solid.

02:21:23.720 And again, there is significance in the number four being solid against the reason why the Fifat or the Svastika has four arms.

02:21:33.120 It is solid but moving. It is stable but powerful.

02:21:38.020 And so that was kind of the overarching reason. 1.00

02:21:41.140 So the Isir are these four kind of categories.

02:21:46.020 and it is adaptable 1.00

02:21:48.340 and by no means

02:21:49.460 set except for that which was

02:21:52.040 spoken in the Guild of Guinea. 0.98

02:21:55.620 Just so I make sure it's

02:21:57.400 clear, 0.99

02:22:00.120 so the Isier masculine, 1.00

02:22:02.820 the Asin, the other effeminate, 1.00

02:22:04.540 but if you've got a mixed group, 1.00

02:22:06.160 it's Isier too.

02:22:08.400 Yes, it's like Mankind.

02:22:10.300 Yes, Mankind.

02:22:12.420 Perfect example of that. 1.00

02:22:13.560 And then the Asvinir are those that are 0.97

02:22:15.620 beloved and have joined. They are of the gods. Um, but they are not explicitly spoken of in the

02:22:23.720 Gil beginning, but they are there. We know Sif is of the gods. She is a beloved one. Um, and whether

02:22:32.980 or not we know origin, you know, um, the, the general thought is that Sif and Ulur are of the

02:22:41.440 Vanir and that somehow that was lost but even it's people have speculated oh she's a Leo Salvar or

02:22:49.180 what we don't know because by the time our lore was written down it was written down in poetics

02:22:54.280 and if it didn't fit with poetics it wasn't brought up um so we could that's the thing

02:23:04.740 We could endlessly go over the possibilities of small, little-known deities that are localized or that have small Celts here and there and these other places.

02:23:17.000 It was and is necessary for us to select, boom, this is what we do.

02:23:22.700 This is why we do it.

02:23:24.940 That's a beginning.

02:23:26.220 It's not an end.

02:23:27.540 And I think that's an important way to look at it.

02:23:30.440 And I think that as we erect Hoffs, as we acquire Hoffs, as we continue the gift cycle with the Isir, we will have insights that we do not have currently to help us understand and direct our worship and build relationships with the gods in the best ways, in increasingly better ways.

02:23:57.700 um but yeah what what spawn said i think he covered it pretty comprehensively i'm going to

02:24:03.920 skip the line here we've got another couple of questions but this one just kind of came out

02:24:07.980 the white hebrew israelite asks are you guys pro world war ii german so i just want to say this

02:24:17.780 that question seems kind of glowy i think that the kids would say or whatever but no i'm just

02:24:26.360 put it out there i i am absolutely in awe of and have tremendous respect for all of the brave men

02:24:39.880 of our folk who fought in that conflict um i don't think it's beneficial to try to adjudicate

02:24:48.040 the geopolitics of you know 1938 or 1941 but yes i absolutely honor all of the men of our folk who

02:24:59.320 fought bravely and that includes the the brave men of the waffen ss the wehrmacht

02:25:05.720 the creeks marine and the luftwaffen and unabashedly show so um

02:25:11.480 um yeah world war ii cost us as a people tremendously a lot of lives were lost and

02:25:28.220 it was also a time of heroes and a time of amazing and

02:25:36.800 men of tremendous character and i think you found those in uh the armed forces of all the

02:25:47.720 all the different nations involved in that and uh yeah you found those in large measure

02:25:53.140 in the german armed forces then i'm not gonna pretend otherwise well and there's a clear

02:25:58.460 demonization of of one singular uh facet of that uh conflict and you know that's a better question

02:26:08.620 is is why um one group is honored or or or uh even just left alone despite all of its

02:26:19.100 similar if not worse issues and one is is demonized but i was um just talking about

02:26:26.220 this today you know at the fall of the monarchies um there were the merchants the soldiers and the

02:26:34.460 serfs all fighting for the destiny and the futures of their nations and you know the the uh the

02:26:40.940 communists are of course the proletariat the serfs um and we know what happens when they uh

02:26:48.700 get into power uh the merchants of course the west uh the anglo sphere in particular and all the

02:26:55.500 remnants of the the colonies under the crown um and then you have the soldierly um kind of central

02:27:02.940 europeans and uh and northern europeans because a lot of people forget about the nationalist

02:27:08.300 movements in france and spain and and and belgium and denmark and sweden and norway and and so on

02:27:14.940 and so forth but every nation was at an instantaneous like knives out between the

02:27:23.420 merchants the serfs and the soldiers and the soldiers have just come out of fighting a war

02:27:29.580 that they didn't necessarily believe in in relation to world war one and it had changed things for

02:27:36.140 forever and they were very upset when the communists started burning things down like

02:27:41.740 when they burned down berlin in 1931 and they created the um uh three corps these veterans

02:27:51.820 going through and just fighting these communists who are burning down the capital city that they

02:27:58.140 fought so hard to defend and we we see this kind of happening all over at that time um you know we

02:28:08.380 we kind of more or less gloss over the evils of communism but yet are very very quick to praise

02:28:15.580 the fins for making sure you know that they don't come in i think we get that there's a lot of a lot

02:28:23.980 of things in play there um but now i'm going to celebrate the heroes of our folk and it doesn't

02:28:30.140 matter who they are and i'm going to appreciate that bravery and uh yeah i'm not going to be put

02:28:37.820 in a box to to not do that um so are neanderthals white and ought we uh can we hail our neanderthal

02:28:51.420 ancestors is a question that comes up we're getting weekly art is this whatever white

02:29:02.220 from a similar audience and i'm keep them coming i'm like i'm not i'm not uh

02:29:10.540 i'm not opposed to that it's just fun to to get that question every week uh are neanderthals

02:29:18.140 whites fawn well okay so uh yeah come on to say it's so funny you can hear it and i'm like oh 0.81

02:29:26.940 it shocks me um so you know when we talk about parallel um you know hominid homo uh um

02:29:42.460 branches whether it's homo habilis or the neanderthalus and and what have you um we

02:29:48.940 clearly see that there's these integrations genetically between different groups that every

02:29:54.540 peoples that are alive today are carrying around the genes of a parallel group that they either

02:30:04.060 kind of sprung from or were living next to and so on and so forth um and i think it's a it's

02:30:11.180 a false narrative for everyone to think that uh you know we uh come from um one group of humans

02:30:21.660 and they are the original people or or what have you um obviously spiritually too i believe that

02:30:29.180 that there is a multi um design intelligent and multi multiplied but when it comes to

02:30:40.540 the fact that if we just look at scientifically um our ancestors in europe did mix with

02:30:51.020 neanderthals and neanderthal genetics um i would and again i'm not like a uh you know a

02:31:02.540 studier of this level of biology to a point where i'm anywhere near an expert but one of the things

02:31:07.660 that's worth noting is is that people of that clime our very adaptation to being able to take

02:31:19.980 the sun's rays and turn it immediately into the life-giving things that we need

02:31:25.660 we are not resistant to the light we are hypersensitive to it um i would say it would

02:31:33.260 probably be in good mind to consider that the neanderthal too were as well having this adaptation

02:31:41.100 of being um able to convert sunlight immediately into the wealth and the nourishment that our

02:31:48.940 bodies need um and that is probably coupling with that uh adaptation that was already there with our

02:32:01.420 homo sapiens that lived in parallel with the neanderthals i think that that adaptation adaptation

02:32:07.340 is being nibbled at in order to oh you you know they they kind of depict homo sapiens going into

02:32:14.540 europe as being uh darker like they just kind of just all of a sudden came over but we have

02:32:25.260 looking at the parallels of the europeans looking at the fact that there are also the westward

02:32:31.100 expansion of the central caucuses and the the araya people as they move in different directions

02:32:38.380 and how they kind of come over in waves throughout the stone age and then bronze age and then lastly

02:32:43.820 the iron age that that adaptation that adaptation was already fully set in so um i would say it

02:32:53.100 wouldn't be uh too far off the mark but again i'm not uh an expert in those things neanderthals are

02:33:04.940 proto-white i think they are unique in their interactions with our folk versus

02:33:14.300 different groups of people and i think you see that borne out um if you knew the name of one of

02:33:21.260 your neanderthal ancestors then i think raising a horn to him probably be okay i highly doubt that

02:33:28.460 you do so i think that's kind of speculative but it is interesting yes i think that they are unique to

02:33:39.660 the biological formulation of our race in particular and so in that way i don't think it

02:33:47.580 fits it's hard to go to a different species of proto-human and then try to put them in a you know

02:34:03.820 mongoloid caucasoid negroid matrix of of race i don't think it quite works that way but i would 0.70

02:34:10.220 say if i had to relate them to that i would say they are proto white for whatever that's worth 0.99

02:34:15.980 um we're getting more more glowiness in here but i i open the door so here's the thing i don't want

02:34:27.200 to not be honest on stuff we all know the world that we live in and what's where we're at what i

02:34:32.240 also don't want to do is bog the afa down in things that there's no context for and that people just

02:34:40.000 want to use as clubs to beat you with because there's no sense in it it's just not useful

02:34:44.840 um uh so next question what are some things you wish you would have done differently or would

02:34:57.440 have done sooner in your house of truth journey it's fun what are some things in your pursuit

02:35:04.880 of also true you would have you wish you did different or you wish you did sooner oh I mean

02:35:11.240 this is super easy for me um and i i you are you are not burdened i do not believe by this folly but

02:35:19.320 um yeah i really wish that i understood the significance of ethnos in relation to religion

02:35:28.680 um i came about to my faith because of coming from iceland and so it intrinsically tied me

02:35:39.480 to this divine and expression of religion that was dastardly tried to be subverted and wasn't

02:35:52.220 super successful until far, far later than we are told. But finding that out immediately connected

02:35:59.240 me. And then once I realized that it wasn't just a Norse thing, it wasn't just an Icelandic thing,

02:36:06.380 That it went farther and that the days of the weeks, the names of the days of the week in Anglo-Saxon and even in the Central are named after our gods.

02:36:18.020 And that it goes all the way back to really when there was, in essence, kind of four core religions.

02:36:25.600 And then finding out later that these four core religions are, in essence, cultural expressions of the same divine beings, it just blew my mind.

02:36:41.280 And I took way too long to get there.

02:36:44.480 I really, I have seen people utilize our faith and our divine gods for political motivations or to scare people that they have absolutely no connection to.

02:37:00.660 And then on top of that, I didn't realize like how lackadaisical I looked at other people's religions and how much I should have given reverence to their ethnos.

02:37:12.200 um when i was in high school i actually followed around a dance troupe of native americans both

02:37:20.380 of the five stockings fawn what's that that's called stocking

02:37:25.840 just behind the tree like you know you guys got some feathers there no um

02:37:32.540 sorry so no i i went out and i i was particularly attracted to this the five nation and the seneca

02:37:43.780 tribes uh they did not focus so much on dancing as they did like a dancing and storytelling

02:37:50.100 and i of course have always been into storytelling so i gravitated there but i also met some of the

02:37:57.700 um more uh western style natives um Lakota and Blackfoot and so on um and just did a huge piece

02:38:10.020 on them and uh even learned a horse stealing song uh when when they stole a horse from a rival tribe

02:38:19.300 they would come back and sing a song in celebration and I know that song I like

02:38:25.640 completely uh memorized it um i will not sing it now though but um anyways they uh this time

02:38:38.400 i was just interested in learning i wasn't attempting to be i think a lot of folk people

02:38:46.440 who are at loss with the true important ethnic connection that they have because christianity

02:38:53.160 is just a subsect of judaism it has european veins kind of ingrained in it but the those are

02:39:01.160 you dig deep enough and you realize it's it's not us anymore um and we you know you hear christians

02:39:07.960 really jumping through hoops to try to make it uh their own and again christian identity guys

02:39:16.280 you know we was the lost tribe of israel um yes uh anyways and i'm not trying to get into

02:39:25.240 like a flame war with somebody on on the chat or anything but um just in case

02:39:31.800 we was not yeah he was not the lost tribe of jesus we was not jews um but i uh i suddenly

02:39:41.720 and later on so the one thing that i wish i had done is understand that importance because i

02:39:47.160 think i would have really began to understand the stories of the of the the seneca storyteller

02:39:56.120 and the way that he described things and how intrinsically important it is that we connect

02:40:04.600 i mean christianity says it's universal but again you got korean jesus you got black jesus you got 0.83

02:40:13.080 japanese jesus is the most swole though yes and he is he's a he's a beast but good on the korean 0.94

02:40:22.360 um but even arabic and the and islam yeah sure you can you can take islam and be from malaysia 1.00

02:40:29.720 but you're gonna learn arabic and you're gonna learn cultural norms so the the globalist sense

02:40:37.560 it ultimately boils down to kind of hearkening back to a a culture and christianity has a great

02:40:44.840 amount of european culture in it but alas after saul and simon coming into greece before that

02:40:55.640 moment it's not european and there's no way of getting around that um so i think one of the

02:41:04.200 things is that just learning how important ethnos is into divinity and expression of divinity and

02:41:11.400 faith and religion it completed the final rift for me it put everything into perspective not

02:41:18.920 just for myself but the way that i saw everyone else and it made me respect faiths a lot more

02:41:27.400 when i was in the marine corps i was um i had the joy of having a fairly good friend who was a

02:41:34.840 ghanan african like folkish practitioner uh who was seeking to return back to his

02:41:42.920 ancestral uh honorings um and we were we were on a common ground but even then i didn't fully

02:41:51.640 understand it until later um and i think that was more out of a negative sense i i met someone who i

02:41:59.160 eventually i felt like what they were doing was utilizing the faith of my people in order to

02:42:06.760 kind of be edgy or scary and that's when suddenly i realized um it's so important

02:42:14.680 because this this should not be done um and that was my biggest mistake is just kind of

02:42:22.600 finally solidifying that so far late in my faith but

02:42:27.880 yes i am half i swan being an icelander he was not enriched in his earliest days

02:42:51.080 is I I suffered I suffered a lot of enrichment growing up a lot of people wouldn't know that

02:43:00.200 about Alaska the enrichment there little known fact no Anchorage is at one time it was the most

02:43:07.580 diverse city in America because of the number of different so it was it was a melting pot of

02:43:17.480 things we had um our proximity to Asia we had always had a substantial Asian population decent

02:43:27.200 like Korean population Japanese population but also um we imported a number of Hmong folks

02:43:36.080 after the Vietnam War so we had a lot of like Laotian folks as well there there were

02:43:43.580 Um, Inuit and Athabascan peoples, um, Anchorage is next to joint base Elmendorf-Richardson,

02:43:54.340 which was Elmendorf Air Force Base in Fort Richardson when I grew up.

02:43:59.380 Again, you get a decent number of blacks that come through there.

02:44:02.520 you had a big Polynesian population that I heard came there from one Samoan 1.00

02:44:10.520 crip back in the 70s selling coke up there during the pipeline days but he brought all of his like

02:44:19.920 Polynesian family up there with him progressively over the years and so we had a very big Polynesian 0.89

02:44:26.120 population it was there was a lot of enrichment growing up certainly not as bad as some places

02:44:32.200 but yeah we're as we're very early in my life i learned the difference between there's us and

02:44:39.880 there's them and there's there's there's things that would be concerned about so i was i was

02:44:47.480 very aware of that early on and uh and still am um on my end um stuff i wish

02:45:02.120 it would have done sooner seems very obvious in hindsight um i wish i would have immediately joined

02:45:11.800 the astro folk assembly in 2001 as it is i waited until 2009 to join i was one of those like

02:45:18.920 pretended i was a member of the afa like i'm in the afa orbit but i didn't really contribute and

02:45:25.960 be part of the team for like eight years there and that was eight years that i could have been

02:45:33.960 actually part of the team and i wish it was um

02:45:42.840 i wish when i first got started that i had a greater degree of respect for my elders

02:45:51.320 and it makes me

02:45:54.320 take a moment and extend a little bit of grace to some of our newer people

02:46:00.720 when I was in my 20s I immediately I knew exactly how this should be

02:46:06.920 why isn't everybody else doing this the way that in my head I

02:46:10.680 imagined with very little information that this ought to be done

02:46:16.100 And, you know, I came full of enthusiasm and just knowing the right way to do everything, because you know everything.

02:46:29.000 When you're a 20-something male and you've got testosterone flowing through you and you've got the will to power, you know all the right ways to do everything.

02:46:39.660 And I think everybody feels that way.

02:46:43.180 and uh i spoiler alert i did not know everything um there were lots of things looking back i'm 0.89

02:46:54.060 like man that's embarrassing and stupid um but i don't know how i would have told my younger self

02:47:03.300 that and i say that it wasn't a big crisis or controversy but i wish i would have listened 0.98

02:47:11.420 more and been a bit more respectful to my elders when I first started out certainly wish I would

02:47:17.760 have gotten involved in the AFA earlier it's hard because you don't want to replay the hand if

02:47:24.700 you're happy with where you're at because any number of things would have gone differently

02:47:28.700 but yeah I think those are some of the things I had this big tent let's all get along

02:47:40.420 attitude when i started i know i've learned that everybody needs to be under one banner

02:47:47.860 with you know one leader running things you need to be on the team this let's all work together

02:47:56.940 thing doesn't make a lot of progress it sounds good in in theory but the way forward really is

02:48:03.560 for everybody to absolutely come together but you come together under one one team one banner

02:48:09.600 and uh under under a leader and you move forward that way and i figured that out but i wish i

02:48:16.720 would have figured it out you know seven or eight years before i i really did or i really

02:48:22.200 internalized it there's any number of members and people that i've because there are a lot

02:48:31.200 of marginal people that have found their way into our circles over the years. I mean, I can look

02:48:39.840 back on anybody who proved not to be worth the trust or the love I put in them. And I would have

02:48:47.340 done that different. But I think any of us that make it to our mid 40s have a list of people that

02:48:54.640 we would have not trusted or not extended love or friendship or or brotherhood to if we'd have

02:49:03.320 known then what we know now and i think that's just life i think we we don't make it through

02:49:07.920 that unscathed so we probably all have a list of that um but you know mainly mainly those things

02:49:16.760 i wish i would have stuck with trying to learn icelandic slash old norse earlier on because

02:49:22.540 as i've said before this is like my fifth serious attempt at it and the other ones failed so i

02:49:27.980 probably would have i'd be much further ahead if i would have done that earlier um

02:49:37.900 yeah i mean again it's it's hard because if we're honest there's a bunch of things

02:49:43.100 that would have recast or done differently but i'm happy with where they eventually led

02:49:52.540 there's a couple key people that I wish I would have known what they were struggling with

02:50:03.520 at the time and I could have proactively counseled them in a different way and maybe

02:50:10.320 help them to a different outcome in their life

02:50:13.660 I would certainly try to do those things differently certainly as a go-thee there's

02:50:20.840 people that if i knew what i know now of things they were dealing with i would have

02:50:28.680 been able to help them better than i've been able to help them i think that's that's real

02:50:36.200 but i think you know i i think that hindsight's always 20 and there's 2020 and there's always

02:50:42.680 we're not being honest if we wouldn't diagnose a number of things that we would have done

02:50:46.840 differently or i wish we would have known so i think there's that i i don't think i had a whole

02:50:53.080 lot of huge missteps i just wish i would have found the you know the things that are are the

02:50:59.400 most perfect out you know obviously i wish i would have found them sooner um but no i've been very

02:51:06.920 blessed in where my you know quote unquote also true journey has taken me thus far um i'm very

02:51:15.320 very fortunate with that next question um this is from tyler spawn since i'm in your district now

02:51:25.400 that i've joined the afa where do i go from here recommended next steps so what do you say to our

02:51:31.800 newest members fawn well i would definitely say reach out to your uh closest folk builder just as

02:51:41.880 a connection hub or the other point is is that you could reach out to gothar which would include me

02:51:52.760 and or uh witten young or give you young um i think that would eventually it would be good but

02:52:04.440 we would try to get you to work with the closest people and then try to get you to find ways to

02:52:15.480 meet up with folks and ultimately to to see what your the logistics would be like for you to get

02:52:22.600 to a hof or you know kindred members of uh and kindreds nearby or just groups of folks that are

02:52:31.960 honoring the gods um not only um on the holy tides at the hof but in your local area and if there

02:52:40.280 isn't you know what distance to drive that is you know compatible for people to meet with you

02:52:47.240 and do things with you and guide you on these things and then ultimately to encourage you to

02:52:52.120 start formulating things in your area on your own as well because that's how we that's how we get

02:52:58.040 bigger is where every person joining you light the torch um and sometimes you you'll uh kind of

02:53:05.560 be off in a back water area and it's like oh it takes me a couple hours to get to the hof

02:53:10.120 that's okay takes me a couple of hours to get to the hof but um and we and we do it but

02:53:17.880 you start talking about it and getting and looking around you and all of a sudden there's people

02:53:23.800 showing up that was kind of the way it started here um and in throughout the state of virginia

02:53:29.720 was just looking and organizing and sure enough before we knew it we had three distinct groups

02:53:36.920 all interacting with each other as kind of one big kindred um but with the onset of the hoffs i

02:53:45.080 think kindreds are kind of taking a secondary position as more of like localized um

02:53:54.520 connectivity but that the major connectivity where you get to meet other people and other

02:54:00.200 kindreds and so on and so forth that these big hubs is the hoffs and that's where i think our

02:54:05.800 future lies is is going forward with um this because you'll find two people locally can be very

02:54:14.680 in and out flaky um some people start things because they've got a power trip in their head

02:54:21.000 or something um so if you want to not be uh succumb to any of that remember the church at large and

02:54:28.600 the hoffs are the mainstay and anyone you or anything you organize with other people and what

02:54:35.800 have you those are for again local needs but by no means are they the entirety of the faith of

02:54:43.480 house a true um the the the afa the church the the community the the hofs the the national gatherings

02:54:53.080 that is where it's at so kind of gear yourself in your mind for that

02:54:58.760 and we'll work all the little details between you and that together

02:55:13.480 doing a thing hold on one second so i imagine we'll be talking to each other soon

02:55:19.320 this is what i'm getting into yeah you should be um you certainly should be so

02:55:31.080 a couple few things and i i mean i think that we can get into hype i just did some looking i think

02:55:37.480 we can get into hyper specifics for you individually if you want privately but um

02:55:45.880 your local folk builder should be reaching out to you very soon um

02:55:52.600 you should absolutely look for things close to you and i would say this also

02:55:59.240 states are funny shapes so don't just look for your state any adjacent state you may be close

02:56:05.400 to a bordering area that has other stuff you are close coming up in three weeks it's like 30 minutes

02:56:12.600 away so there are a lot of options near you and in your part of the world you should definitely

02:56:20.280 make the effort to go to those um as soon as i can get where i'm trying to go

02:56:29.800 I will probably be relatively close to you you have a lot of activity near you you should get

02:56:39.800 involved best you can and I know it's a little bit out of your way but you should get to Thorshof

02:56:45.460 when you can and I think it'll be really special for you when you do and it's not super far I think

02:56:53.080 you also should make the effort if you can and we've got people you can carpool with there's a

02:56:59.020 of stuff um to get up to a phrasehoff dedication if you can i think all those things are good

02:57:06.380 things i would advise certainly make build a relationship with your local folk builder and

02:57:14.300 that will help you um reach out to the gothar if you have questions or concerns or if you need

02:57:22.460 anything any of us would love to help you um very seriously reach out to me if you need anything

02:57:29.500 matt flavel at runestone.org goes to anybody listening to this but you in specific tyler

02:57:36.300 i'm impressed that you stepped up and you joined today you trusted me on the on the walmart wine

02:57:42.060 you trusted me on joining afa if you need anything seriously let me know i can get you connected

02:57:48.620 with people or i could help um make some stuff happen for you but you do live in a good area

02:57:53.900 with a lot of stuff, nothing on top of you, but a lot of stuff relatively close to you if you're

02:58:00.060 willing to drive for a few hours here or there. You've got a lot of good options. So that's what

02:58:06.080 I would suggest that you do. Our last question of the night, and again, we told you we're going to

02:58:15.580 take all your questions. You can tell when I'm being delicate on a subject, and I think everybody

02:58:21.600 knows why, and that is

02:58:23.640 what it is.

02:58:25.440 What are your thoughts

02:58:27.720 on Europa, The Last Battle,

02:58:29.700 and similar films that tell the story

02:58:31.760 of World War II from the politically

02:58:33.400 incorrect perspective?

02:58:41.580 Svon, do you have anything that you would like

02:58:43.700 to add to this question?

02:58:45.380 Because I kind of want to hit it with

02:58:47.460 what I've got, and then...

02:58:49.320 I think I'll be supplemental.

02:58:51.600 You'll be the main focus of this answer. I'm just saying that I think that a lot of these

02:59:00.260 medias that are being introduced, I think, are necessary. I think that we're at a stage right now

02:59:08.560 where people think that Schindler's List is not a work of fiction, but in the book,

02:59:15.400 clearly in the leaves of the book, it says that it is a work of fiction.

02:59:19.940 there's a lot of stuff going on out there um where i think again there's misinformation there's

02:59:31.080 so on and so forth uh things that weren't or aren't being told and um if there are people

02:59:39.000 out there who are willing to look through um and dig in and again what you know like uh

02:59:48.700 what's what's the author's name uh i was hearing ervin group is it steve it's not steven irving

02:59:58.240 um david erving you know and he was doing some interesting stuff and he got demonized for it

03:00:06.700 um i think at this point it is kind of again it's a measure of of the freedom of speech to be able

03:00:13.320 to lay out things and speak about them whether they're true or not clearly we have you know

03:00:20.520 fictitious writings being kind of lauded as truth um and you know a lot of people

03:00:28.040 nowadays would absolutely think that's truthful and um that you know i think that has the right

03:00:36.200 to be made but we need to be able to have all perspectives on things so yeah i i kind of want

03:00:46.280 to echo a lot of that what i want to say is first i have not watched your open the last battle uh we

03:00:52.200 get people in here that like plug that a lot i've watched greatest story never told um

03:00:57.880 which i assume is in a similar vein uh i think it's really important especially in the world

03:01:09.400 we live in today don't just accept what you're fed as truth look into it look into things

03:01:19.640 and i think solid advice that has always been true

03:01:27.880 But it is conspicuous that there's certain facts you're not allowed to question.

03:01:34.460 I think those facts are the ones that probably require the most scrutiny and looking at.

03:01:40.360 I think there's very few things in history you're not allowed to have an opposing view on or look into nuanced information on.

03:01:51.540 And when you come up against something like that, there's probably reasons why that is.

03:01:57.880 So freedom of thought, freedom of looking into facts for yourself and verifying assertions and seeing whether they're true or not and seeing whether there's counterpoints that are also true or not is a really important thing to do.

03:02:15.520 I think we're at a time where that's probably more important than anything else.

03:02:20.420 We see all around us that we are not getting told the truth by a lot of people we trusted to tell us the truth.

03:02:32.340 It's been a rough thing for me in my mid-40s to realize that a lot of the things that I, in good faith, got firmly behind earlier on in my life, I was lied to about.

03:02:45.520 by people I trusted, by sources that I trusted. And I think that's something that we face in a

03:02:52.840 lot of things comprehensively across our lives. I don't think that the fix is re-litigating the

03:03:00.780 Second World War all the time. I do think for those that are curious and interested and want

03:03:07.420 to look at the details of that it's a fascinating thing to look into but I don't think that that's

03:03:17.120 the common ground where you're going to get other people to get on your team or not

03:03:22.320 so I don't think that needs to be your identity but yeah I think it's I think it is always in

03:03:32.840 very best traditions of our folk to take a critical look at things to reevaluate often what you take

03:03:41.880 as being true and confirm is this true because here's the thing everybody gets scared of it

03:03:48.760 no if you're right relook at it all the time and it strengthens your faith and the thing you're

03:03:53.800 righteous on but if not you catch yourself when you're not correct on something and you can change

03:04:01.560 course and you can adjust. And I think that one of the burdens of Aryan mankind is that 0.99

03:04:09.900 it's incumbent upon us to inform ourselves so that we can make good decisions and so that we 1.00

03:04:19.240 can be responsible to make those decisions. It's much easier to be an NPC, as the kids would say,

03:04:25.960 about life and just kind of float along than to choose to learn, choose to know things,

03:04:33.680 and then choose to act upon the knowledge that you learn. So, yeah, gain wisdom, learn,

03:04:43.900 look into things, and make decisions based on things that you believe to be factual and you

03:04:50.660 believe to be true, and look at those things and examine them. Always hold those things up to

03:04:54.780 scrutiny. I believe that firmly, and I think that's a solid thing to stand on.

03:05:02.520 That's what we've got for this week. Thank you guys so much for your questions,

03:05:06.160 for joining us as we went through this really powerful piece, kind of a jewel that I think

03:05:13.260 often gets overlooked in our lore. Thank you all for everything. Thank you for those who donated

03:05:20.580 and who are generous uh i hope everybody who can joins me at winter nights in new hampshire here in

03:05:28.180 week and a half look forward to seeing you guys there and uh yeah we're doing great things i

03:05:33.940 appreciate people who stepped up tonight um as always i enjoy spending when wednesday night

03:05:41.620 with one of my best friends talking about something i really love so i thank you for

03:05:46.260 joining us witness fawn oh always a pleasure thank you for i will oh so i should say this i

03:05:52.580 will not see you guys next week i will be on the road traveling to new hampshire i say on the road

03:05:58.500 i'll probably likely be in the air um but i will be traveling to new hampshire so i will not be here

03:06:05.380 witten brandy's going to host a special seasonally themed uh spooky episode so we're already getting

03:06:14.180 cool, interesting happenstances and such to discuss on that. I think it'll be a really cool

03:06:20.020 show. I'm a little bit envious that I will not be here for it. So you guys are in for a treat next

03:06:24.680 week. But I will see you in a couple of weeks. Until then, hail the Aesir, hail the folk,

03:06:33.480 hail the AFA. Remember, victory never sleeps.

03:06:44.180 We'll be right back.

03:07:14.180 Thank you.

03:07:44.180 Thank you.

03:08:14.180 Thank you.

03:08:44.180 We'll be right back.

03:09:14.180 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - October 02, 2025

10⧸1⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 169 - Sigurðarkviða hin skamma

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