00:03:00.000Hello, and welcome to this week's exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.
00:03:10.660Tonight, we have a very special episode for you. Today is the 77th birthday of our founder.
00:03:20.520He joins us this evening, taking precious time out of his birthday extravaganza to be here
00:03:28.260to uh share an evening with us so uh steve welcome and happy birthday why thank you and welcome call
00:03:40.340a couple of business things before we get into it um
00:03:46.100since i last spoke to you we had a spectacular uh veterinarian in uh
00:03:53.780new hampshire at othala acres that's our folk builder ron boardman's farm
00:04:01.460it's it's awesome it's an amazing place his home on that farm is older than our country
00:04:10.900it is from the eight uh the 1760s a lot of the a lot of the work on it is from close to the
00:04:17.140mid-1800s but it's still pretty old but um parts of it are predate the founding of the united states
00:04:24.420so it's a really cool building it's really cool place and i got to enjoy time with a lot of
00:04:31.380amazing people this weekend got some new members out of it and uh yeah it was fantastic so thank
00:04:38.420you to the boardmans for their amazing hospitality and thank you for uh witten cliff erickson and his
00:04:44.900his lovely wife Katie, Githya Katie Erickson, for putting the event together, and I think
00:04:52.200it was spectacular this year, and as a special treat to arrange for the best flights, I flew
00:05:01.620into Manchester and got a ride with Ron, but I flew out of Cleveland, and I drove back
00:05:07.380with the Ericsson's so I could get an on-the-ground look at Frazehoff. It is fantastic. I'm sure many
00:05:17.320of you by now have seen the pictures, but it is even better in person. What an amazing, amazing
00:05:24.460property and an amazing building, and I'm very, very excited about our future there. It's really
00:05:32.500quite spectacular in person tonight like any other show we are glad to take any and all of your
00:05:41.120questions that you might have so if you have questions please send those in no matter what
00:05:46.060platform you are watching this on and at any time you can send questions in to vns at runestone.org
00:05:56.020and we'd be happy to answer them on our next show um so steve how is how is life treating you if you
00:06:06.260want to update anybody on how you've been and what you're up to these days well i haven't been bored
00:06:12.420that's for sure uh i think of all you guys often and i try to you know keep track of how things
00:06:17.860are going with with afa i feel that we are two two musical tones that support each other basically
00:06:27.700and i of course i'm always um to death and beyond you know be loyal to and a part of the afa i feel
00:06:38.340that's that's something that time does not matter ages does not matter mortality does not matter
00:06:44.660um but i've got my little thing going on here you know wotan network which uh yeah it's getting
00:06:51.680some traction in the right places i'm doing some writing uh you know and uh and i just
00:06:58.540enjoying life and trying to be better at everything that i do than i am currently
00:07:04.800and i think that's that's one one way to spend your time i don't think you're gonna find me
00:07:11.400in the the boredom line of the old people's uh office or whatever you know life is to be lived
00:07:20.420full that is something that i and i'm sure many of us have always really admired about you is
00:07:30.520the constant um the never slacking of your will and of your drive and you know in large part
00:07:39.060that's what brought us here and that's why so many of us are tuning in tonight um our first
00:07:46.660question of the night comes from uh monk wants to know steve how did you come to be such a great man
00:07:56.100well i had a great mother and father and hung out with great people
00:08:00.180Thank you for the little comment there. I appreciate it. I do my best. I do my best every day. I don't want to slack ever. I keep my eyes on my goals.
00:08:14.340At the same time, I try to be flexible enough to adjust and make a run around if whatever the first idea was that work or whatever. But mostly, I was born to do this. I was born to fight this battle. I mean, I'll win it. I'll pass it on to other people. But I was born to do this.
00:08:35.020This doesn't say I'm so hot shot or anything like that.
00:08:38.320It's just this is just the ticket I got.
00:08:40.660You know, there's no there's no golden prize on it or anything, but this is what I want to do.
00:08:46.520I love my people. I will not tolerate their extinction or their degradation.
00:08:53.740And I want us all of us to be representative of that, to be the highest and the noblest that we can be.
00:09:00.740And do I fall down sometimes? Hell, yeah, we all do.
00:09:05.020wouldn't be human otherwise but it's the the turmoil the the turnover the the passion of life
00:09:13.820life lived to its fullest uh and take a risk do things drive on you know that's that's it for me
00:28:28.000I mean, he is, yeah, he's a very much valid scholar and all of that, but, you know, I'm, you know, I mean, I've got my particular attitude.
00:28:40.760I like to look at that as the idea that Odin can operate in two modes.
00:28:48.920He can inspire people who need inspiration.
00:28:54.540He can show us new ways of doing things. He can turn on our mental lights. He can help us
00:29:01.900to understand the universe around us, the multiverse around us better. But don't mess
00:29:10.000with him because when it comes down to means, he will do whatever it takes. And I think that's
00:29:19.220just realistic i mean you know again there i go with the military situation again but yeah
00:29:25.100there there are certain things that have to be done and the long run in it uh is is is
00:29:33.980favorable at least to somebody and that's usually us and i'm good with that uh i'm kind of going on
00:29:40.600about this but you know the he's the personality has got both sides to that and they're going to
00:29:47.520be times that you can be the scholar there's going to be times that you can
00:29:51.660be the ice cream salesman down at the corner but if somebody comes up and puts
00:29:58.200a knife under your wife's face you know what to do no regrets that that's just
00:30:09.400sort of my thing on it be flexible I guess be all-encompassing be broad
00:30:15.240It's hard enough to understand both ends of it, but to find that often that twilight spot in the middle, but at one time or another, you will have to find those extremes.
00:30:26.240absolutely um i think one of those big uh well i think you're uniquely qualified to answer the
00:30:38.460question because you have a very special relationship with the all-father and you also
00:30:42.880know um dr flowers very well uh you know i think it's worth noting you know among odin's
00:30:53.720by names uh you know grim near and and a lot having to do with him being terrifying and
00:31:04.700you know and grim and dark and all of those things and i think we emphasize that heavily
00:31:12.100in imagery and stuff but it's also important to note that is you know his home is in gladsheim
00:31:19.380the home of gladness um he's able to be different things to different people at different times
00:31:28.540that's one of the really standout characteristics is just how many different names he was known by
00:31:35.820because in different circumstances to different people at different times he was able to show
00:31:41.000different facets of himself. And I think that flexibility, that ability to shape himself for
00:31:53.620the circumstance and for, you know, what's needed at the time is a very important characteristic
00:31:59.300and understanding and learning from his wisdom. The next question is, how do you both, Matt and
00:32:10.360steve use the runes which futhark do you use and what are your thoughts on the futhark
00:32:16.520and northumbrian winds steve what say you i do almost all my work with the uh with the 24
00:32:27.480elders uh yeah and uh just just habit i think they're in a way i i just feel that they are more
00:32:36.200quote complete but i know that's not entirely accurate but it's it's it meets my way and it
00:32:43.800works right for me um yeah let's see what i'm sorry and and after that um oh oh ah
00:32:55.640Yeah. This is a fairly new thing. And it's, I think, related to what you were talking
00:33:13.860about a moment ago. It just came to me, oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh, I've got to pass this
00:33:17.860on. So forgive me if I've kind of barged in. We can always, I mean, it's relevant, but
00:33:22.600In regards to communication with the gods, the goddesses,
00:33:32.260we have of course, you know, the casting of runes
00:33:35.880and so forth and so forth and so forth.
00:33:39.300And then I got to thinking about Carl Jung
00:33:42.180and his notion of the gods as archetypes.
00:33:47.180archetypes. And then I started thinking, well, then, so how, how does one communicate with
00:33:55.800those archetypes? And of course, Jung was the big guy for, of the, of, of, you know,
00:34:02.800the, the, I'll start, I'll turn it on, I'll take my time, you know, the, how coincidences,
00:34:12.600meaningful coincidences are, in a way,
00:34:21.360in terms of communication to the runes or for whatever.
00:34:28.300And so I thought, well, I'm gonna pay attention
00:34:30.640to that kind of synchronicity and it dialed in.
00:34:35.640And it dialed in, I took the Elder Huthar, and I thought, I'm going to cast these runes to see if I should go and try to go into Africa and do X and Y and Z.
00:34:57.700and I don't have the figures in front of me but the way it worked out if I
00:35:06.280thought I'd have it in front of me and if anybody wants to know I'll pass them
00:35:09.440on to you as to the actual numbers that it came out 24 rooms in the food
00:35:18.040heart pull it out got a rune okay well all right put it back in reshuffled
00:35:32.360reached in and this is this is with it with no no tactile and certainly no
00:35:40.060visual uh factors whatsoever pulled it out again another one the same one in 24.
00:35:49.260put it back in carefully randomized i mean i'm taking this really seriously
00:35:54.540reached in pulled it out same one 24. and i pumped the odds on that and it came down to
00:37:01.500to really make much of a statement on that.
00:37:04.740I think that, you know, all the different styles work and maybe that it interacts with one's own personality and what they want to get out of it.
00:37:16.200Not what they want to get in terms of an answer, but in terms of the style or perhaps their ancestral relations and so forth.
00:37:26.560So that's, I think, by all means, they're all worth examining.
00:37:30.340But, yeah, I've stuck pretty much with our 20-4s.
00:37:40.700So I'm trying to think of where to start on it.
00:45:17.500I don't think it is taken sincerely or means sincere things.
00:45:22.500I think it falls into a category that traditional people know that religion is important and necessary.0.68
00:45:30.860They also reject Christianity because of its inherent alienness to our folk.
00:45:39.780but they aren't quite there they don't0.98
00:45:44.500know how to or haven't yet built that relationship with the isir and so they're left to well if we
00:45:53.700need religion and we should have religion what should we have and if you have a quote-unquote
00:46:00.100religion that's decoupled from actual belief in divinity then it can take some you know
00:46:09.220You can kind of do whatever you want with it and make up whatever justifications because it's not built on divine truth.
00:46:16.440It's built on you wanting to have something that you know you need, but you don't really believe in, but it needs to meet your purposes.
00:46:26.100And I think that's, I think it's unfortunate because I've met some people that view that as a, I don't know, I think that gives a morale boost to white power flavored atheism.
00:46:45.260And I don't think that's beneficial for our people, Steve, as you've always said, you know, ours is a is a spiritual struggle.
00:46:52.620And I think that politics is downstream of religion.
00:46:57.300And if you're backed by sincere faith in real gods of your folk and a real relationship with those gods, I think you are optimally poised to meet the challenges of your life, be they political, be they personal, be they professional or anything else.
00:47:13.520And I think that as long as you're as long as you're glorifying something that's not really a sincere faith, it takes energy and momentum away from from doing this, which I think, you know, our shared folks should be doing.
00:47:35.020going back a little bit we okay steve do you plan on writing more books
00:47:45.640whereas the last book you published going to be the last
00:47:48.760yeah there probably will be another i'm not quite sure where i want to put the emphasis on it
00:47:57.100um yeah my other two of course are very different in so many ways
00:48:02.880but i think i think they can work together quite well um and i i'm not sure what i will write next
00:48:12.100i probably will because you know this is what i do but i don't really have it honed down as to
00:48:19.260as to the question or whatever oops hang on i have one minute you have your cauldron's book
00:48:27.640ah that's I got reminded I got reminded by my wife but actually I am working on
00:48:37.020another book yeah we have base yeah and it will focus on the methodology that I
00:48:46.700put together I think by some considerable inspiration the cauldrons
00:48:54.860the cauldrons being comparable to uh three main chakras and yeah don't don't get to thinking this
00:49:04.300is you know some you know meditating on your navel uh and chant in a sanskrit or something
00:49:11.580uh quite the opposite it's it's it's got considerable i think uh background that could
00:49:19.020be justified in a scholarly manner um and uh a little lot to to expand on right now maybe another
00:49:29.340time but uh the idea is uh you know the three three centers are cauldrons one down in the belly
00:49:42.140another one in the heart and the other one uh up here uh colors black on the bottom
00:49:49.900red in the middle obviously and then uh change the the the might uh here
00:49:59.180which sounds simplistic not just simple but simplistic but when you look at it with some
00:50:05.420depth i find it's quite the other way uh and i'm i'm having fun doing it it's
00:50:12.380i've got i've got most of it put together i've got some things i want to switch around with and
00:50:18.540maybe put more meat in it so to speak but uh it's become my personal practice in many ways
00:50:26.140you know not not that i disregard other other things you know loads and offerings to gods and
00:50:32.220so forth but uh it works okay for me i don't know when it's going to be finished
00:50:42.140If I could buckle down to it, which I keep telling myself literally day after day for the past week, Steve, you could knock this baby out in 24 hours.
00:57:02.580And now if his fault is with Snorri and he thinks that Snorri got the message wrong or something, that'd be a different argument.
00:57:15.520But it's certainly not a mistranslation of the Old Norse, which, I mean, he is an Old Norse expert.
00:57:22.940So that's why I said, like, I'm not going at him.
00:57:25.680I'm going at the thing that was just presented to me.
00:57:27.940I think that, you know, he knows Old Norse better than I do and he can read as well as I can.
00:57:32.200So he knows what I just said. But yeah, I mean, certainly shaping and ordering is, I wouldn't, I don't think it would be incorrect for Dr. Crawford to start fresh naming him the all order or all shaper.
00:57:57.420i don't think that's incorrect uh he and his brothers shaped our existence out of the the0.71
00:58:05.420body of emir they shaped our soul as arian men and women um yeah i don't find that to be
00:58:14.940wrong but it's just not a mistranslation of the you know literal all father that's
00:58:20.460That's very plain, plainly presented in the Guilf beginning.
00:59:11.200think in our head that's like the most favorable place to put one but realistically i think
00:59:19.120in places with a drastic minority whites is probably where one is needed the most.0.58
00:59:26.100I think those people are uniquely aware of their need to celebrate themselves, their heritage,
00:59:32.420and their gods. But I think that all comes into play in a little bit different ways. So,
00:59:38.680So, you know, we need. All right. When the process starts, I start looking around for churches for sale in wherever the places that I start searching are places that we have.
00:59:58.660a good number of AFA members within a three-hour radius.
01:01:35.220it. If you are in Idaho and you want a Hoff near you, and this is the rub, and I hope that as we0.69
01:01:47.000continue to get more Hoffs, this will be an easier thing to conceptualize. The fastest way for you to0.97
01:01:54.940get a Hoff near you is for you to help us pay off the Hoff we have in Austintown, Ohio.0.96
01:02:00.380because as soon as we're done with that we'll move to tiershoff and we will continue as long
01:02:08.420as we have the infrastructure to support the hoffs um i mean i said this when we paid off
01:02:14.260odenshoff and it you know some people you know cocked an eyebrow at me but it's what got us one
01:02:22.340in North Carolina, in Minnesota, in Florida, and now in Ohio. It's a method that works.
01:02:31.520Beyond that, if you're in Idaho and you want Hoff in Idaho, volunteer to folk build in Idaho,
01:02:41.780excel at folk building in Idaho, and then pursue being ordained as a go-fi in Idaho. And that would
01:02:48.500significantly accelerate idaho being on the map of somewhere we need to get off
01:02:54.940um other thing is we look for as i said we go looking for churches for sale now we would
01:03:03.680consider other charitably zoned buildings uh churches uniquely fit the things we need
01:03:12.360They often have kitchen facilities, multi-purpose room facilities, worship space facilities, and they're built for white people getting together to worship.0.66
01:03:24.680That's how those buildings came about, and it makes them very well suited.
01:03:29.620And they also come with a zoning that's appropriate for what we're doing, which is also very important.
01:03:34.120And on top of that, finding something that has the right, has a good enough building, but also has good enough land and is in at a price point that we can afford.
01:03:54.080And all of those things going together can make it a little bit of a challenge depending on where we look.
01:04:01.340But we start looking pretty far out to try to get get the best things figured and to to make good choices on it.
01:04:11.820But also and most importantly, during the entire process.
01:04:21.880I'm sure others do this as well, but I spend a lot of time in prayer.
01:04:27.200asking whoever the god is of the Hoff that we're going to dedicate
01:04:35.020to help guide us towards something that they would approve of
01:04:41.340and that they would find beneficial and worthy of them
01:04:48.080I believe very much that the ISEER guide our efforts
01:04:54.040in getting these Hoffs with the caveat that we've got to be putting in the work. You know,
01:05:00.000I don't ever want to miss out on a Hoff for one of our gods because I was slacking, because I
01:05:06.640wasn't looking hard enough, because I wasn't out there, you know, trying to find every way to make
01:05:12.140the fundraising work or whatever other elements. I want myself and the rest of AFA leadership to
01:05:21.200be giving it our all. And if it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, then it wasn't meant to
01:05:26.540be. But the important part is we got to be doing our part. If we're all out there looking, thinking,
01:05:34.200examining, trying to make the best decision we can, and asking for the blessings of the gods,
01:05:40.940then, you know, I trust that they'll guide us in the right direction. And so far, they absolutely
01:05:46.300we have um so austin says happy birthday founder mcnalen which edit poem is your favorite
01:06:00.860well thanks for the uh thanks for the birthday uh celebration um i think that the the half
01:06:11.100them all really kind of says it to me uh the whole idea of of you know the creation of a cosmos
01:06:20.300and it's it's changes and so forth it always appeals to me uh it's very visual uh there's a
01:06:28.860part of me that was scientist uh and i'm not saying that we should submit the edit poems to
01:06:34.940scientific examination at all but nonetheless you know it's the formation of the cosmos of its
01:06:42.700its manifestation uh but there there's priceless little pieces uh run run throughout uh the others
01:06:51.900that can appeal especially to to the individual you know and you you if you're lucky you can find
01:06:59.020just the right uh just the right stanzas that you know make your day a lot of people make almost a
01:07:06.620a divination thing as to open open up uh you know some of the poems and see see if it turns out that
01:07:14.940it can give you an idea of what your day is going to be like uh incredible things that have worked
01:07:24.700out through that that sort of divination uh things happen that where the chances are maybe one in a
01:07:34.460few hundred that it would have come out the way it did and i find that that works so pretty well
01:07:39.900with divination in general but the etic material is is is multi-purpose and i find that you know
01:07:47.900you you can you can just like the rhythm of it and the and the and the the articulation of it
01:07:55.100or you can be enthused about you know the story in it and it's it's a wealth it's a wealth you
01:08:02.060know so it's hard for me to say that there's any one uh but yeah the material in the half
01:08:11.180model appeals to me greatly. All right. How much and how long will Tiers Hoff take to
01:08:27.140build. So, it's a fine question. Anybody who doesn't know, Tiers Hoff is going to be our
01:08:41.380first purpose-built Hoff. It's going to be built on our property in Jackson County, Tennessee.
01:08:53.020it's going to be built in the north field of that property and
01:08:59.820so the answer is i don't know but i'm trying to give you the details that i do know to add
01:09:08.360some value to your question we are currently trying to work out the particulars on that
01:09:17.160I would like to, and I'm in the process of creating plans that, all right, it would be the more labor we can get from AFA members, the better.
01:09:34.980However, I think, yes, there is a significant cost saving involved, but I think there's also a spiritual value of our people being able to put in the labor to build that.
01:09:50.980So I'd like to see as much of that as we can.
01:09:53.400But I'm also realistic, and I know that sometimes having the right people in the right place at the right time doesn't always, those things don't always match up the way that we would like.
01:10:04.260So I also want the plans to be actionable to take to a contractor and say, hey, build this.
01:10:14.200Perhaps, and it's my hope that through the AFA, we can get AFA contractors and AFA professionals along with AFA volunteers to make the process happen.
01:10:27.140As far as how long, it all depends on what we do.
01:10:30.320And this is what the how much to what I would like to see happen if we can is to split the project up into phases to where we can fundraise for a phase, get our people involved in that, make that first step and then fundraise and build the second step and third and so on and so forth until it's done.
01:10:52.060we have had a really big expansion in our hoffs over the last 10 years we have gone over the last
01:11:03.960exactly 10 years we have gone from zero hoffs to five hoffs that's awesome and we needed a lot of
01:11:11.300catching up to do on that we're currently not in a place with the numbers we have right now
01:11:17.460to go beyond tiershoff so while we wait for our member number and our income to increase we want
01:11:27.140to spend time doing tiershoff right focusing on that and putting our attention there and hopefully
01:11:37.300as we do this those other numbers will come up but it also gives us a little bit of time to work
01:11:44.420that out and to do that process it being something completely new to us it could go up super quick
01:11:51.460and be amazing or we could run into you know some unexpected things and it could be a little bit
01:11:56.260longer process so time will tell on that we are currently like i was talking today with god it's
01:12:03.060helping me we are working on narrowing down the dimensions and the plan that we want for tears
01:12:11.060off so we've got that ready to we're going to certainly have something to show you and some
01:12:17.620cost ideas at least for portions of it so we can be ready to go as soon as phrasehoff is paid off
01:12:25.220if every single afa member wanted to pay 140 towards uh paying off phrase off right now
01:12:37.300then you guys have forced my hand and I would have to get by dedication a plan for you guys on
01:12:43.740Tearshoff. I'm going to try to do that anyway or get as close as I can to have something to show
01:12:48.040to show you and go for it. But as soon as we get Frazehoff paid off, we're going to be working on
01:12:53.980Tearshoff for certain. But yeah, to get, and I know that doesn't answer your question. The trouble
01:12:59.040is I truly don't know how much money it'll take and how long it'll take. Like I said, labor is
01:13:04.740usually about 50% of the cost, and if we have AFA folks that can put in labor, that's whatever
01:13:09.740number I give you in half, but we're currently trying to work that out, and as I said, we
01:13:15.740should know a little bit more as we get closer.
01:13:27.880Do both of y'all know of or who Penty Lincola is?
01:13:35.500I think you could tell with how I pronounce that that I do not, and I have no idea.
01:14:15.000Also, is your property going to be striving to both influence the surrounding areas but also become self-sufficient in about everything you can?
01:14:28.540No, we're not striving for self-sufficiency.
01:14:45.000we would love to have the best relations we can with the communities that we find ourselves in.
01:14:55.060We want to be good neighbors. That's, you know, an important value to us.
01:15:01.080And Jackson County, Tennessee is a very nice place that I think we have a lot of opportunity to
01:15:07.320to be, you know, an important part of that community and to really build a solid foundation
01:15:17.000there. And that's what we're looking forward to doing. Steve, what do you hope for the AFA in the
01:15:25.680next 30 years? Thank you for everything you've done and happy birthday from the Sutherlands.
01:15:31.880Oh, thank you, Sutherlands. Always, always good to hear from you guys. Hope you're
01:15:37.160all doing well uh what i hope for for the afa in the next 30 years um world domination and
01:15:48.040galactic colonization okay maybe not not this time but uh i think i think
01:16:00.280i think that matt will probably will guide it in wise ways uh i think that what
01:16:06.280most of us would like to see is is a growth which takes into into into consideration that the
01:16:17.080environment that we'll be working in uh the social environment could get all weird in the future and
01:16:22.040i think we have to at least be be aware of that and uh yeah prepared to take care of each other
01:16:28.600um i don't know a lot about mormons but just just from you know from my third cousin whatever is
01:16:37.960uh they're good at organizing that stuff i think matt's good at organizing stuff
01:16:42.720and there will be different challenges um it's a little hard to be optimistic about the future
01:16:51.740the situations that we face will be substantial i'm sure and that's why we need to consider all
01:17:01.920the all the reasonable options uh you know make a list and i'm sure that's that's ultimately
01:17:09.080something like that will happen um we need to keep keep the message going we need to not relent
01:17:16.740We need to get a supportive culture that will side with us and realize why we're doing whatever it is that we're doing at that particular time.
01:17:33.680But I'm absolutely convinced that we can do that.
01:17:38.240I don't know how much of that I'll be around to see.
01:17:40.900But, you know, I'll be sitting there looking on.
01:17:46.740So I think just make good choices, emphasize professionalism, hit just the right pitch on certain issues.
01:18:00.600You know, we must always care about and have as number one, you know, our fault, working with it and making us holier, making us more connected to the gods, making us more connected to each other, making us more connected to ideas.
01:18:24.300and actually we've got a lot of good ideas but you know we must we must not be afraid to implement
01:18:30.220that and to to carry on as so that a hundred years from now two three hundred years from now
01:18:38.540there are affairs throughout the solar system if that's if that's what we decide to do
01:18:45.260actually earth is pretty cool too and i'm gonna hang around here for a while
01:18:49.580That's pretty much the way I see it. There will be trials. There will be lots of difficulties. There are plenty of people that would like to annihilate us.
01:19:04.120We must be the kind of people who can keep our guts together, keep our guts, our hearts, and our mind all functioning in liaison.
01:19:19.580so that we can bring in the kind of people we want and do our mission.
01:19:39.180So just I'm not sure if you've got the chat pulled up on yours
01:19:43.220or you're looking at it, but just so you know,
01:19:45.240we have dozens and dozens of happy birthdays and folks singing your praises as well they should
01:19:54.840i got a question that came in on the email i see claims that people are returning to christianity
01:20:04.520in droves because of charlie kirk there are a lot of claims that he was killed for being christian
01:20:10.280do you think these two things are true?" Steve, do you have thoughts on that?
01:20:15.000I have thoughts on that, but it's mostly curiosity. I'm kind of aware of this backing
01:20:22.040and forthing and various forces influencing one side and something else happening somewhere else.
01:20:30.280It's difficult. He seems to have been a good man, and it's too bad that what happened happened.
01:20:40.280Who is behind it? Well, they're just all interesting people behind all sorts of things these days, it seems. I'm not in any position to, you know, I don't have any more knowledge than anybody else does, really. But these are tumultuous times. There are forces working behind everything we do. Some of them are good. Some of them are about as bad as they get.
01:21:03.960and we need to be able to cultivate the good, find the people that are on our side, find the
01:21:11.520people that are sincerely on our side and who will put effort into it. I think we're going to
01:21:19.700see some, quote, interesting times, unquote, in the next few years. I don't know how that will
01:21:25.480manifest, which is why we all have to stick together. We've got to get each other's backs.
01:21:30.940we've got to have ways of protecting ourselves from you know economic crisis and all this stuff
01:21:38.840i i i i'm i'm no scholar uh but i think that there's there's going to be a lot of issues to
01:21:45.700deal with and we need to work together in a way that we can ride out the storm and uh watch the
01:21:52.860rainbow in the end yeah um to the two questions the two questions
01:21:59.600yes lots of people are returning to christianity because of the charlie kirk assassination
01:22:07.640um is that going to be a lasting trend i don't know i think that that that assassination rocked
01:22:17.420a lot of people and myself and my family included.
01:22:25.500I mean, it's when someone is killed in a spectacular way where it draws the attention of
01:22:35.880the world and the nation, I think that it's really easy to retcon your feelings about that
01:22:42.120person. I was never a Charlie Kirk fan in his life. I think the differences that I had here
01:22:51.520are largely because of our very different faiths. And I think the weakness that his faith
01:22:58.860imbues in its followers. I think that's the, that's the crux of it. But I will say this,
01:23:07.860wasn't a big charlie kirk fan i have a lot of respect for charlie kirk that was something
01:23:14.500who sincerely believed and he had the courage to stand by the things that he believed
01:23:21.220to put himself i mean obvious hindsight's 2020 but even at the time to put himself in himself
01:23:31.000in dangerous situations or in uncertain situations
01:23:34.360to be an advocate for the things he believed in.
01:23:40.340And he had the courage to discuss his beliefs
01:23:55.180And the left has gone so far into complete demonic chaos
01:24:01.000whatever that means to whoever's listening a lot of people with in normal times a pretty
01:24:09.320big divergence find ourselves side by side against the tide of just complete degeneracy
01:24:16.480destruction and chaos um but yes certainly lots and lots of people going back to church because
01:24:24.460of it from a lot of different places what i will say i am saddened and greatly offended by but also
01:24:35.260thankful for for the cause of alsatru at his funeral his widow went up there
01:24:43.020and made a big point of forgiving the people who assassinated him
01:24:46.780And that's probably what he would have wanted, but it paints in very stark contrast Christianity and our faith and Alistair and, you know, things that are right and wrong.
01:25:05.560it is wrong to give blanket forgiveness to people that brutally murder the people that you love
01:25:18.220that's bad and i think every fiber of our being knows that that's bad
01:25:24.400and that i think is something that pumped the brakes on a number of people in that you know
01:25:33.120that run back to church that a lot of people were doing.
01:25:35.960I think a lot of people are like, eh, maybe not.
01:25:54.860And I think, you know, as there are a lot of theories, I think that his Christianity was such an integral part of everything that he did, that just like he lived for his Christianity, he certainly did die for it in that sense.
01:26:15.800But I don't know if the specific cause of his death was, you know, directed at Christianity as much as it was directed at traditional worldview, at awareness of disproportionate Israeli influence on things or any number of things in between.
01:26:39.360um but i certainly think that his core belief system was a very was the key of why he was
01:26:47.400assassinated and he would say that that was that was christ so and like i said i have
01:26:53.640tremendous respect and his assassination moved me my family to our core
01:27:00.920I'm not going to go worship, worship Jesus, but I do respect, I respect Charlie Kirk a lot.
01:27:17.360Does the AFA handout pamphlets go door to door or how does it recruit?
01:27:22.460so we go we are trying to get some pamphlets figured out for to be at the ready when people
01:27:36.100are interested no we don't go door to door how do we recruit poorly so i wish that we
01:27:46.440recruited better, and that's always been a hard nut for us to crack. I don't think anything would
01:27:54.180be fundamentally wrong if we did go to door-to-door or if we did, you know, stand on the street corner
01:27:59.420with pamphlets. Trouble is, we don't have a lot of people willing to do that. A lot of our people
01:28:06.480are not willing to go stand somewhere and hand out pamphlets, and they're certainly not willing
01:28:11.600to go door to door to annoy people um what and i say that going door to door is obnoxious and so
01:28:23.860i'm probably not pro that especially coming from a jehovah's witness background i'm aware that it's
01:28:30.680obnoxious um i think this but i think that the pamphlet thing is a cool idea if people actually
01:28:36.200want to do it trouble is we just don't have people that are willing to do that um
01:28:40.960So getting some pamphlets for people to hand out to folks that want to, though, I think is a really good idea. As far as how do we recruit, so much of it's word of mouth. We recruit through existing in the real world doing stuff, which our Hoffs are a huge step forward in doing that in a real world organic way.
01:42:23.600What is something that you know about me?
01:42:26.440I'm getting into dangerous waters here.
01:42:31.720Well, most people might not know that, hang on, I was thinking of one a little bit earlier today.
01:42:42.220uh when i was when i was in high school i was perhaps slightly to the right
01:42:54.540uh and in high school i was active with uh our in touch with uh the cuban exile movement in florida
01:43:06.780and I had connections with Commandos L and Alpha CCT6 and other organizations of that sort.
01:43:19.180I don't think that I was breaking the law by doing this, but my freshman year in high school,
01:43:28.100correction college yeah bad enough I was I was in ROTC and yeah I I was walking
01:43:40.500through through the ROTC building one day and I look in the office and there's
01:43:46.040this this huge trash can full of field manuals and I say top what's what's what's
01:43:53.060what's with the full can here and says ah they're but they're bunches of uh old field manuals you
01:43:58.420know they're outdated they're still usable but you know they you know they we we can't keep them on
01:44:04.580the shelf so we just tossed them in the trash so they're years i said oh really and within
01:44:11.220a matter of days uh those particular manuals were in miami florida so you know i've always been
01:44:18.260active on on the anti-communist end of things um and support uh anti-communist causes just about
01:44:26.900anywhere that was especially the the the emphasis you know like a few decades ago but you know
01:44:34.420now we've got our our market marxists you know running up through things and one thing or another
01:44:43.940but that was that was pretty much that was steve and and and it is his teens his lower teens uh
01:44:52.580higher higher teens one thing or another uh so about how about this story going to film wood
01:44:59.380that's a good one with the time of your business when you went to the debates
01:45:05.220you know i i know i've actually i've got another one that that i think might might
01:45:08.820be a little more interesting this will require us just a quick
01:45:13.940damn uh hell i had a good idea this morning and now i don't know what it was let me glass
01:45:23.300this piece of paper here i i did in fact do a few notes let's see uh oh yeah africa africa0.98
01:45:35.620i had uh i had gotten out of the army while i was still stationed in germany
01:45:40.100call it a european out and within days i had packed up my rucksack and and headed for uh
01:45:49.860well i crossed i crossed over closer to the meridian to the mediterranean uh right along
01:45:55.460the coast there but uh when it went as far over as algeria hung a right and hitchhiked and or walked
01:46:03.300through the sahara i was a weird guy even then um usually i i got a ride uh and i met interesting
01:46:13.660people and so forth and so forth but you know as i'm getting down there i'm getting pretty far to
01:46:18.960to the the southern part of the sahara i think hey you know i think it was it agades there was
01:46:26.320there was one city down there that i could get a little hop in the in a in a in an aircraft and i
01:46:33.820thought hell's bells you know why don't i just try that you know i see the scenery for the plane and
01:46:38.720all that kind of good stuff and so i take what's left of my meager uh uh stuff and you know pack up
01:46:46.880my my tent and all of that good crap and uh you know this plane we're taking off and i'm sitting
01:46:52.600there and I kind of enjoying it, looking down and looking down, you know, and it's all cool and
01:46:58.840it beats the hell out of riding in a Jeep through the Sahara. And then it dawns on me,
01:47:07.480I don't have a paperwork for the country I was going to be landing in.
01:47:14.440I didn't have a visa. And I thought, they're going to shake me down. And they're going to find all sorts of other incriminating things. I think, oh, maybe this wasn't such a good idea. And so the plane is getting closer and closer to somewhere in Cotonou, I think. It's been a long time, decades, guys. And I'm thinking, what can I do? What can I do?
01:47:42.380you know i'll just uh i'll just pretend to be crazy uh i'll uh i'll just be i'll just be a0.90
01:47:48.940total idiot you know i can't communicate i don't know you know uh and i know if they search me0.94
01:47:56.620they will find the south african visa that i have carefully concealed on me and this was a0.99
01:48:04.380particularly bad few years to be a white man from south africa in some of the more militant areas of0.97
01:48:13.980africa so i thought well i i just know i'll just pretend to be an idiot that's all i can do0.93
01:48:19.820this on the plane lands and i'm get we're getting off the plane nice nice straight file and up there
01:48:27.500ways yeah there's there's a couple of guys AK over his shoulder looking at
01:48:34.260everybody's paperwork next one and then I recall that actually a young English
01:48:45.540guy had been pulled off an airplane and shot on the runway not too too long0.94
01:48:51.140before that and i'm thinking well here it is dirty doo-doo man uh the voodoo doo-doo and uh0.87
01:49:00.740the line's getting shorter he's meticulous he looks at everybody's freaking paper he couldn't0.95
01:49:06.740just be african african and you know forget about it oh yeah he was he was straight out of a movie
01:49:16.100he was and he had his shades on and you know he was mr mr important guy and he's the lines get
01:49:22.740shorter and shorter and shorter this is broad daylight he's this far literally less than
01:49:36.980the length of the arm from me he looked through me he looked through me and took the papers from
01:49:49.060the guy behind me he's not done that anywhere else and i figured i'm a you know i'm going to
01:49:58.820get through this this kind of luck i'm going to get through this and i did he he didn't uh
01:50:05.300he didn't question me he didn't see me he didn't make eye contact he didn't reach for me
01:50:09.940nothing nothing it's just like i literally i wasn't there i wasn't there and with it luckily
01:50:17.620it was just a few minutes over to the other uh to the other border and uh yeah here and i've got
01:50:24.900you know my my u.s passport that that was particularly useful and uh i handed that to the
01:50:34.580to the the obviously much more savvy guy and he's he's wearing his shades and he's wearing his
01:50:42.740little put on hat and his his grin is just exactly like you might think and uh and i hand him my my
01:50:54.100papers my and he said he gives me this grin like this big he says you do not have a visa for our
01:51:03.860country and i just uh-huh i don't know what you're talking about yeah and he smiled and handed it
01:51:13.940back to me and sent me over to the portal to go out he didn't even try to bribe me and in africa
01:51:24.500that's outstanding but if he had wanted to i could have got shot on the spot i'm absolutely certain
01:51:32.180i did not correct uh his image on my on my paperwork and i beat feet out of there as quick
01:51:38.340as i could it was an interesting time but i love it yeah africa was still in many ways awesome
01:51:46.580but i mean i rode i rode for to get up to certain other areas uh i yeah i rode right in the back of
01:51:53.700a pickup with you know four other people and they're all and and actually you know the the
01:53:44.160You know, on the time I was expected, and the guy did not show, and there was no indication that he was, as I recall, the man's presence had been noticed, but he just booked back over the border.
01:54:07.780so that's that's all i knew but in you know it was it was it was not dull it was not dull
01:54:14.440and uh i don't know i think i wrote that piece up for sof mag i don't recall now it's been too
01:54:22.320damn long you know if i if i died tomorrow i still would have packed it i'm pretty full
01:54:29.600and i i have no regrets never well not that kind of regrets you know i didn't always make the right0.97
02:04:08.740But a white guy and this Cuban guy were swimming.
02:04:13.760The challenge was them swim across.0.88
02:04:16.460When I say lake, I mean like big pond, I guess.
02:04:20.920They're swimming across it to the far end and then seeing who could get back first.
02:04:26.440And I was exuberant about rooting for the home team and not for the Cubano.
02:04:34.260and but then i was very excited when he won and congratulatory and i mentioned that he
02:04:40.980probably had practice yeah i'm sure he would uh yeah yeah and uh i was told to keep it down
02:04:48.180because the dude had neighbors and uh yeah so that's that that's my thing um
02:04:56.500can i uh yeah you can and then we've got a couple of a couple of other questions
02:05:00.580of the stack that what you got okay i'll keep this short but it's it's your birthday
02:05:08.100oh well nah but i'll try to be considerate we were talking earlier about the cuban situation
02:05:13.940um and uh when i was stationed in germany uh it was a huge support place and so you had a
02:05:21.540huge officers club and you know a lot of people a lot of i mean a lot of ease and a
02:05:29.220A couple of friends and I were sitting over there one night, and we were having a drink or two, and because there was a huge support facility on the base, they had things like the Red Cross flew in and out of there and so forth.
02:05:49.900So we were sitting over in the old club and we, yeah, we weren't drunk, but in walks this guy, a civilian, one of the, as it turns out, he was one of the pilots flying for the Red Cross.
02:06:04.980Tall, skinny guy and one of my buddies punches me in the ribs and says, you know about that guy?
02:15:42.500answer is more complicated than this, but I do think this gets to
02:15:46.520the meat of it. They're the same deities
02:15:50.300with different names. I understand that it doesn't
02:15:54.200translate perfectly, but trace it back with me
02:15:58.580logically our gods have existed since the dawn of our faith
02:16:08.580and i i guess since the dawn of our people
02:16:13.940we know that the same group of people as arian people
02:16:21.940moved from wherever our origin point might be but we found which you know
02:16:28.500I like to think is Hyperborea, but we found ourselves in the Caucasus at one point.
02:16:35.060We branched out and we found ourselves in different valleys and our language developed and our culture developed similarly, but differently in different places over different times.
02:16:48.560our gods exist and were with us when we were born as a race they have been with us ever since
02:17:01.620we don't just get new gods when we occupy a new vow a new valley or a new you know plane
02:17:12.940and we decide to found a new city or deviate our language or drop a diphthong or whatever else.
02:27:54.440You know, is the universe work mechanistically that produces that?
02:28:00.100Well, I don't know, but it just seems more likely to me that there is consciousness behind that.
02:28:06.560And I think that maybe this is just pulling this out of my head.
02:28:13.720Maybe this is the way the Holy Power is manifest to us today as with Jungian emphasis.
02:28:24.400Maybe that's their mask for this part of our journey.
02:28:28.680I don't know. I don't know any of that for sure. But I was thinking about that. But I do believe the gods are real. Even putting huge statistics aside, I believe they've pulled my butt out of some real fires.
02:28:49.160i think matt ran off so you got you got the floor sir keep going
02:28:59.400oh yes brothers and sisters okay yeah um
02:31:31.260We hinder ourselves a lot when you have huge expectations or you try to compartmentalize the gods.
02:31:43.920The gods are too vast and too powerful to fit any compartment you make for them.
02:31:51.640So I would very much encourage you to allow that to develop naturally and open your heart and open your mind and see what happens.
02:32:01.560I think you will find they are much more than archetypes.
02:32:05.480I think that the directionality of the archetype model is the problem.
02:32:13.280Um, yes, these God forms are a big part of our, you know, racial subconscious, but that's because they are the gods of our folk, not the other way around.
02:32:30.000yeah um but yeah let just be open and let that develop and i'm glad that you've heard their call
02:32:37.940and don't burden yourself with preconception just let that happen let that take shape
02:32:45.380and see where it takes you well it's taken me places and uh uh the word i get and
02:32:53.100And it is that when Carl Jung went down to visit the...
02:38:39.420And I'm going to ask, because we ask questions that are in here, do with this question what you will, Steve.
02:38:46.600Would Steve agree that the U.S. military is anti-white, considering it forced racial integration by gun to white children and sent whites to die in useless wars, etc., and are soldiers of the Jewish government?
02:39:04.840Do what you want with that question, Steve.
02:39:09.520There are forces affecting the armed forces that have political orientation or political causes, obviously.
02:39:25.940uh it's probably you wouldn't find the average soldier
02:39:32.660i would certainly not enlisted rank probably not most of your officers what would see through
02:39:40.900the the of just doing doing something to be political i don't think it improves the the forces
02:39:48.500I mean, it depends on how you do all that good stuff. But I think that at some levels,
02:40:04.420lead leadership, they just crater over probably for their years to come,
02:40:15.220you know brawler the rest of their pitch their careers um
02:40:25.140i don't yeah there's there's that there's that force there but there are there are other ways
02:40:31.300as well you know there's other other other ways of looking at it but it's it's it's there
02:40:38.660yeah all the equal opportunity stuff and so forth yeah i don't know it's a lot a lot a lot of us
02:40:47.140just ignored it i mean if you really you know if you had a black guy in your outfit and he was a
02:40:53.300he was it turned out he was a good guy then you know you knew better uh but it's i don't know it
02:40:59.700was just it's complex i didn't do a very good job of that you're fine that's all you that's
02:59:25.220you know affects whether the gods exist or not you know like the schrodinger's gods or something
02:59:32.980And it doesn't work that way. The gods exist and are real. Everything flows from that. When we focus everything on us and try to project our feeble understandings as if that determines the reality of our gods, that misses the point and is a kind of trivial, unintentional atheism.
03:00:01.980atheism that I think we should avoid. So, you know, I can present the reality of our gods.
03:00:09.440I can speak to the way that they've affected my life and the life of those around me.
03:00:14.740I can speak to moments that I feel are transcendent that represent the reality of our
03:00:21.900gods in my life and in the life of others. But I can't have like a wizard battle with somebody
03:00:29.400like from sword in the stone in the disney movie and we transform into different stuff
03:00:34.740and do you know that's that's not how it works um and i think people get again they get lost in
03:00:43.140their own head thinking that's how it is i don't think it is gods are real and my life is better
03:00:48.520for it my life is a testament to the reality of the gods um hopefully it's convincing whether
03:00:55.860it's convincing or not it's absolutely true and i'm very very grateful for it so steve is there
03:01:02.920anything else you'd like to share with us or talk to us about this evening
03:01:09.460i don't have any topics to to to have to hand but uh it's been awesome this is
03:01:26.640really the you know my chance to experience this and it's there's the material here is endless
03:01:36.160you know good conversations we've talked philosophy and religion and just about
03:01:43.520everything else and uh very seldom one gets a chance to do that usually it's just nothing
03:01:53.040nothing of particular worth but this has been of worth and the great worth uh and uh
03:02:00.080i have a question for you where can people meet you where where do you hang out where do i hang
03:02:06.400out of course i hang out at odin's hof yeah just invite them out too yeah y'all come on by
03:02:16.960so you heard it here folks odenshoff this weekend veterniter or winter nights at odenshoff
03:02:28.560i'll be there steve will be there the voice from beyond the screen his lovely wife sheila will be
03:02:35.220there you should be there too if we can get you there that'd be fantastic we would love to see
03:02:41.540you there reach out to your local folk builder they can get you all set up if you'd like to be
03:02:46.080there. Also, if you are in the eastern part of this country, and you would like to be there for
03:02:52.800the dedication of Frazehoff, we'll also feature our founder, Steve McNallan. You can meet him,
03:02:59.840shake his hand, he might even speak to you. So I'm Irish, I have to talk. There you go.
03:03:08.800So he's compelled by his Irish blood to speak to you. But yeah, that's December the 6th.
03:03:16.080i joke but seriously anybody who can get there uh steve sheila myself will all be in attendance
03:03:22.640with other afa luminaries um but most importantly it's an opportunity to celebrate the dedication
03:03:30.560of the first half to lord frayer in i that we know of so it's the place to be we'd love to see
03:03:40.080you there before you wrap we got a bunch of questions now like well you said one question
03:03:45.680and now they've got like five well that's that's just disrespectful um i only see one in my queue
03:03:56.160all right steve some overtime all right i did working man did you ever think that what people
03:04:04.800think is the gods is there in their life is actually the people in their life there are
03:04:14.080no gods intervening for people who have no people ie family or family friends i don't know if i
03:04:23.280think that i get some of that question i don't know if i fully understand it steve what do you
03:04:28.480say to that question well i i'm i'm i don't either um um i i if if if i'm hearing right
03:04:40.320um one would say oh well my my my father is you know father figure is is is a god and my
03:04:49.840mother is the goddess sir now if i'm getting it right uh but i i think that that's almost
03:04:57.600freudian approach is just that it doesn't it doesn't meet doesn't meet what happens uh you
03:05:04.080know we've many of us have experienced situations that blows the hell out of just accident i i do
03:05:16.800believe that i've been guided by the gods i believe that in a couple of cases uh they kept
03:05:24.160me alive uh several actually that kept me alive crossing crossing uh borders where i had no right
03:05:32.480to cross and so forth and so forth and and i know you can you can always say well that's just that's
03:05:38.480just that's just luck but there comes a point where the the the statistical odds of that are
03:05:47.520just one in me as well yeah as i was saying earlier in in the evening um but that's that's
03:07:36.680I think that we do wrong when we try to, I don't know, force, I don't know, when we try to take away from the gods in order to force rationalism on something that's unnecessary.
03:07:57.320And I think if we didn't feel the need to do that, we would very naturally embrace the gods.
03:08:04.100But we have something built into us since the quote-unquote Enlightenment where it's like we have a natural disposition of trying to disprove divinity.
03:08:17.760And I think we do that to our detriment.
03:08:21.500So, no, I don't think that's the case.
03:08:27.960matt and steve do you do in your free time what are both of your hobbies
03:08:37.400steve what do you do you know what do you do in your free time and what is your what are your
03:08:43.240hobbies wow what i do i i i don't have much free time i'm
03:08:55.080I'm almost always busy doing things to further the cause of our fault.
03:09:04.760I write for this and that and the other.
03:09:07.880I've got multiple outlets that ideally I would like to post on three times a week,