Asatru Folk Assembly - 10⧸15⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 171 - Happy Birthday, Mr. McNallen

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00:03:00.000 Hello, and welcome to this week's exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:10.660 Tonight, we have a very special episode for you. Today is the 77th birthday of our founder.

00:03:20.520 He joins us this evening, taking precious time out of his birthday extravaganza to be here

00:03:28.260 to uh share an evening with us so uh steve welcome and happy birthday why thank you and welcome call

00:03:40.340 a couple of business things before we get into it um

00:03:46.100 since i last spoke to you we had a spectacular uh veterinarian in uh

00:03:53.780 new hampshire at othala acres that's our folk builder ron boardman's farm

00:04:01.460 it's it's awesome it's an amazing place his home on that farm is older than our country

00:04:10.900 it is from the eight uh the 1760s a lot of the a lot of the work on it is from close to the

00:04:17.140 mid-1800s but it's still pretty old but um parts of it are predate the founding of the united states

00:04:24.420 so it's a really cool building it's really cool place and i got to enjoy time with a lot of

00:04:31.380 amazing people this weekend got some new members out of it and uh yeah it was fantastic so thank

00:04:38.420 you to the boardmans for their amazing hospitality and thank you for uh witten cliff erickson and his

00:04:44.900 his lovely wife Katie, Githya Katie Erickson, for putting the event together, and I think

00:04:52.200 it was spectacular this year, and as a special treat to arrange for the best flights, I flew

00:05:01.620 into Manchester and got a ride with Ron, but I flew out of Cleveland, and I drove back

00:05:07.380 with the Ericsson's so I could get an on-the-ground look at Frazehoff. It is fantastic. I'm sure many

00:05:17.320 of you by now have seen the pictures, but it is even better in person. What an amazing, amazing

00:05:24.460 property and an amazing building, and I'm very, very excited about our future there. It's really

00:05:32.500 quite spectacular in person tonight like any other show we are glad to take any and all of your

00:05:41.120 questions that you might have so if you have questions please send those in no matter what

00:05:46.060 platform you are watching this on and at any time you can send questions in to vns at runestone.org

00:05:56.020 and we'd be happy to answer them on our next show um so steve how is how is life treating you if you

00:06:06.260 want to update anybody on how you've been and what you're up to these days well i haven't been bored

00:06:12.420 that's for sure uh i think of all you guys often and i try to you know keep track of how things

00:06:17.860 are going with with afa i feel that we are two two musical tones that support each other basically

00:06:27.700 and i of course i'm always um to death and beyond you know be loyal to and a part of the afa i feel

00:06:38.340 that's that's something that time does not matter ages does not matter mortality does not matter

00:06:44.660 um but i've got my little thing going on here you know wotan network which uh yeah it's getting

00:06:51.680 some traction in the right places i'm doing some writing uh you know and uh and i just

00:06:58.540 enjoying life and trying to be better at everything that i do than i am currently

00:07:04.800 and i think that's that's one one way to spend your time i don't think you're gonna find me

00:07:11.400 in the the boredom line of the old people's uh office or whatever you know life is to be lived

00:07:20.420 full that is something that i and i'm sure many of us have always really admired about you is

00:07:30.520 the constant um the never slacking of your will and of your drive and you know in large part

00:07:39.060 that's what brought us here and that's why so many of us are tuning in tonight um our first

00:07:46.660 question of the night comes from uh monk wants to know steve how did you come to be such a great man

00:07:56.100 well i had a great mother and father and hung out with great people

00:08:00.180 Thank you for the little comment there. I appreciate it. I do my best. I do my best every day. I don't want to slack ever. I keep my eyes on my goals.

00:08:14.340 At the same time, I try to be flexible enough to adjust and make a run around if whatever the first idea was that work or whatever. But mostly, I was born to do this. I was born to fight this battle. I mean, I'll win it. I'll pass it on to other people. But I was born to do this.

00:08:35.020 This doesn't say I'm so hot shot or anything like that.

00:08:38.320 It's just this is just the ticket I got.

00:08:40.660 You know, there's no there's no golden prize on it or anything, but this is what I want to do.

00:08:46.520 I love my people. I will not tolerate their extinction or their degradation.

00:08:53.740 And I want us all of us to be representative of that, to be the highest and the noblest that we can be.

00:09:00.740 And do I fall down sometimes? Hell, yeah, we all do.

00:09:05.020 wouldn't be human otherwise but it's the the turmoil the the turnover the the passion of life

00:09:13.820 life lived to its fullest uh and take a risk do things drive on you know that's that's it for me

00:09:23.660 well so i have kind of a related

00:09:28.940 observation and question um

00:09:31.100 i think that there are a great number of people that feel the way that you do that you know this

00:09:41.420 is super important and they have an idea and they know that stuff needs to happen and they've got

00:09:48.460 big dreams and big ideas but the difference is the vast majority of people with big dreams big ideas

00:09:58.300 you know, actually manifest those in the real world. One of the things that's fascinating to

00:10:06.920 me and a lot of our audiences, before you did it, other people weren't doing it. And you had to

00:10:15.620 figure out how to craft something from nothing and take those first steps. And I think that's

00:10:24.400 really hard for a lot of people. There are tons of people out there that will say, oh, we support

00:10:28.740 you 100%. Cool. How? Well, we're not members, but we support you. Okay. Well, we don't donate,

00:10:34.780 but we support you. But I won't tell people in public that I know you, but we support you.

00:10:42.160 So I guess the question is, what made the difference between you having a lot of really

00:10:47.080 nice really good really positive thoughts and good vibes and turning that into founding

00:10:55.000 or i guess refounding the religion of our folk

00:11:00.040 i think that the way that was happening and continues to happen is that we just get off

00:11:08.360 our butts and do it uh we're not play acting uh we we do the best to you know if you if it's just

00:11:15.000 one person if you can bring one person in and show them by the way you live that this is something

00:11:23.000 of power something of worth something that is important not just to us as individuals not just

00:11:29.160 to us as families not just to us as a you know the corner clan you know who does x and y and z

00:11:35.480 no this is important to the future of our race and ultimately the human race which benefits by our

00:11:43.800 successes kind of getting on on a tree stump aren't i no that's fine you got to get on the

00:11:51.160 tree stumps too i left that out well um also related so we have a i don't know we have two

00:12:04.120 fields on the afa application you know why are you joining and how did you find out and

00:12:10.920 up to and including this month we get people who either are joining the afa or just found out about

00:12:21.400 the afa and led them to join from your book um we have people in the chat room tonight talking about

00:12:28.120 how they read your book and they want to know how long it took you to create that book

00:12:34.840 I don't remember in terms of the calendar, how many days it took or how long it took.

00:12:44.760 Can I specify your first book?

00:12:46.680 Okay. Roger that. How long? I don't know. Three, four, five months, I'm guessing.

00:13:01.080 oh no no sheila's shaking her head at me and telling me i'm a dumb butt 0.98

00:13:05.400 okay say say that again three four or five years oh three or four or five years well yeah yeah but 0.95

00:13:11.880 i mean for you i was talking i guess more you know but we're talking about the oscar yeah yeah that's

00:13:18.280 what we're talking about yeah yeah okay she she corrects me uh her memory is probably better than

00:13:25.320 mine uh yeah she measures it in years and yeah in retrospect i i get that because you know it goes

00:13:35.000 stutters a little bit here and a little bit there and then you go back to something and then you get

00:13:39.080 you go and you proof it over you think no this isn't any good and then you get do some more

00:13:43.880 stuff and then you run into people that know more than you do and you're able to take some of the

00:13:47.560 information from them with their kudos and and yeah it's it's it takes a lot of

00:13:54.700 patience it takes a lot of effort you're gonna screw up plenty of times but don't

00:14:01.900 let that stop you pick up your rucksack and drive on and I had to do that I'm

00:14:08.740 just a human you know just this the thing is insistence insistence of a cause

00:14:15.840 that you love in uh the cause that you love something you believe more in than you do in

00:14:21.360 anything else and focus on that everybody out there who's listening to this could could write

00:14:27.920 a book and i don't understand the reasons in your life if you want you probably you know you got

00:14:32.640 kids and you got this and that and the other but don't forget there are contributions that you can

00:14:38.640 make every day, partly for your own personal development and evolution, but for the larger

00:14:51.140 population as well. Take your part. Make your name. You can do this. Win great fame, or

00:15:01.420 least a better fan than we've got now. There you go. Well, I suppose similar, and I got a

00:15:11.100 reminder from Nick, wherever you are watching this, now or later, wherever you're hearing this,

00:15:18.460 like, share, subscribe, do all those little things that bump the algorithm up and get

00:15:23.580 get this in front of more eyes and more ears exactly undoubted and that's literally the

00:15:31.280 easiest thing you can do so if you're you know if you're enjoying this if you are learning from it

00:15:38.440 better yet if you are spiritually benefited by it please share that around there's other people out

00:15:44.460 there that would at bare minimum be interested and enjoy the conversation and a lot of people

00:15:50.740 might get something really valuable from it, hopefully. But yeah, if you know somebody that

00:15:57.700 might like this program, invite them to listen, to watch, however you consume it. And we're on a lot

00:16:03.620 of different platforms out there. This is our largest audience of outreach. So yeah, help us

00:16:15.060 spread the word if you enjoy what we're doing. And a step further, if you're listening to this

00:16:20.620 you're watching this and you are a heterosexual white person wanting to connect with your gods

00:16:29.740 i hope you're a member if you're not a member why not if you're waiting for the perfect time

00:16:35.900 to join you're in luck that perfect time is right now um there is a mythical perfect time i think

00:16:43.020 we all have somewhere in the future and the trouble with that is it always stays just over

00:16:47.340 that next horizon so you know best time to join is 30 years ago second best time is right now

00:16:56.540 um so i would encourage everybody if if you feel so inclined to get your application in

00:17:01.100 to become a member uh also while i'm while i'm on it i might should give you an update on the

00:17:10.220 In the Fraze Hoff fundraising, as I tend to do, we've already raised $20,760 for the

00:17:21.780 Hoff, which is fantastic.

00:17:23.460 That is 16.6% of the brand new Hoff that is not even dedicated yet, so that's amazing

00:17:30.980 progress.

00:17:31.920 Also, to keep in mind, total on that is $125,000.

00:17:38.360 dollars so we got that remaining that a remaining total is wrong i forgot to change that

00:17:45.760 uh it's not that wrong though so yeah that said um we got a little ways to go but uh we have made

00:17:55.500 tremendous progress in just a few months we've been working on it so thank you guys for your

00:17:59.460 generosity um we appreciate it your guys generosity is how we're able to get stuff like that

00:18:05.940 accomplished. So thank you guys very, very much. Our next question is

00:18:16.260 All right, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the chat room trying to get it organized in my head.

00:18:27.380 So from Lauren, founder MacDowell, could you please speak of the gifts and blessings you

00:18:33.440 have received from Lord Odin. What are you most grateful for in your life? Hail Victory.

00:18:40.900 Wow, that'd be quite a list. I'm going to start pretty high up on that list and turn around and

00:18:46.820 look at my wife over there doing her work. I've done that marriage thing and she made it worthwhile 1.00

00:18:56.940 not to you know insult anybody anywhere but but she keeps me together uh she pushes me on when i

00:19:03.740 need to be pushed on and i i like that incentive i like being pushed on not in a pushy way but

00:19:10.380 you know come on we got to do this we got to do this we can make a difference etc etc etc

00:19:15.740 um i like to think that i've had some contributions to make to the to the larger picture

00:19:21.180 um could you could you give me a little more of the phrasing on that please yeah um

00:19:28.140 specifically gifts and blessings that you've received from odin

00:19:31.740 and uh then generally just things you're grateful for in your life yeah

00:19:40.620 sitting under the uh the moonlight in the sahara

00:19:44.460 finding brave people that are trying to do good things for their their themselves and against

00:19:55.260 tyranny and some of the world's crappiest places riding in the back of a pickup of people that

00:20:05.100 don't speak your language but you manage to communicate anyway and you know obviously my

00:20:13.940 first my first priority is our fault but i have met good people in the back of those pickup trucks

00:20:22.420 that were of all of all colors not trying to be mr liberal here but you know you've got to face

00:20:28.740 the fact that humans are still humans mostly sometimes they act like it as we know um i've

00:20:36.340 had a great life i don't want to die now i mean you know i've got more stuff to do still the moon

00:20:41.620 in mars but i feel that i've been able to cooperate with other peoples to in some way

00:20:52.180 represent our people in a way that is good uh i have think that i think that i have reached the

00:20:59.460 hearts and the souls of a significant number of people anything any way that i can motivate our

00:21:09.140 people give them the idea that hey maybe you just ought to get out there a little bit on the edge

00:21:14.660 you know why why are you leading such a such a calm safe safe life i'm not saying that you

00:21:19.700 should you know be rowdy you know not rowdy but you know endangered and certainly not you know

00:21:26.100 people with kids and so forth but you know if if you need if you need to to make a statement

00:21:31.700 make a statement don't don't take it back influence people that you can influence

00:21:38.020 uh take it from there and and live live your life fully you'd only get one time around and

00:21:45.460 you know reincarnation not not the question there but um but live live live live uh live largely

00:21:55.620 but make it useful you know don't throw yourself away behind some cause that is irrelevant work

00:22:03.300 for your folk you are a part of your folk you are organically connected to that essence enjoy that

00:22:16.660 delight in that uh think of your own ancestors what they did and what what you can do what can

00:22:23.300 you do how are you going to make that one contribution how are you going to be the one

00:22:28.100 person who pushes things in a good way just a little bit farther we live this is the best time

00:22:36.260 no to heck with the vikings this is the best time to be alive you are in the fight this is not a

00:22:44.740 fight for a battle this is not a fight over a treasure chest this is a fight for the future of

00:22:51.220 our people that is existential it is dominant always yes live large the way i was talking

00:23:02.180 about a while ago but live live for purpose live for purpose take up the challenges of our day

00:23:10.020 you think oh i just can't do anything you know i just i'm just not a great person

00:23:13.300 hell we're all just ordinary persons let's go go pick up your rucksack dude we got stuff to do

00:23:19.860 too. That should be your attitude. I've been a lot of places, done a lot of things. I wouldn't

00:23:29.420 have traded it for anything in the world. I would rather have gone to places that won't

00:23:38.860 be named in Southeast Asia. That's great. Live big. Live big. But always, always, always

00:23:49.660 focus what serves your fault serves your your your growth your abilities your capabilities your

00:24:01.580 your wondrous ability to take in the world around you and just just go with that go with that um i

00:24:10.460 was i was i was with the current national liberation army for a while just as a observer

00:24:17.580 uh and uh i can obviously i wrote stuff on it because i was riding for sof mag um and as it

00:24:26.880 was here i was i was in the headquarters of the karen national liberation army the monsoon was

00:24:32.460 in full swing i was soaked everybody was soaked but there was there was no no activity no operations

00:24:40.160 under underway so uh you know i i sort of went over and i i sat in the uh the headquarters which

00:24:47.680 of which of course was a tent uh a porous tent that was in fact pouring and you know i'm sitting

00:24:55.360 there people are out everybody is pretty much hunkered down i'm in the middle of burma slag

00:25:03.360 myanmar i'm probably the only white man within 500 miles until one stumbles in i'm sitting there

00:25:13.920 in the semi semi damp and more than semi damp just soaked this guy comes in he's the only white guy

00:25:21.760 i've seen in days and days and days and days and he has this rifle around his his shoulders uh and

00:25:29.920 uh he kind of stumbles in and uh pretty pretty high-tech looking piece too it turns out he's

00:25:37.040 he's pretty good at those things but uh and he was lost and yet it's it's it's a german guy

00:25:47.120 from germany who takes his holidays and goes off to help the karen people

00:25:54.320 you know obviously my first choice is always always my people but i will do the right thing

00:26:06.320 to help others to win it when it's that time and plus i i i needed i needed the uh the journalism

00:26:14.800 money uh which was not much i don't even remember now but it wasn't about the real money that wasn't

00:26:20.480 the point so i get up to talking with him his english is excellent so we're sitting there we

00:26:25.360 talk about you know oh yeah this is this is situation here and this about about such and

00:26:31.360 such a rifle and and and but he then he looks over at me and he he says what's what's that

00:26:38.560 what's that in your shirt because my hammer had slipped in between two buttons and was laying

00:26:44.480 there dampened uh and you know for all to see not that there was anybody else to see it it was just

00:26:51.120 me as this german guy and i said well this is a thor's hammer blah blah blah blah blah

00:26:58.880 he reached inside his shirt and pulled out his hammer the only two white people for hundreds 0.55

00:27:08.400 and hundreds of miles hell yeah it was a mock on awesome moment uh they build things into your life 0.78

00:27:19.120 that feed your soul like that you you're you're you're may vary but the point is when you get put

00:27:28.480 on the fire or whatever you know take with you take with you the memories of life take with you

00:27:35.520 the fact that you lived big take with you the fact that you made the place better that you made

00:27:43.440 the future of our people better and that you had a good time doing it life is precious it is so

00:27:52.240 precious but there are things larger than keeping it going there i'm kind of going on sorry you can

00:28:02.320 You can go, it's your birthday.

00:28:03.660 You can go on as much as you want.

00:28:07.520 So our next question, and you can go ahead and take the first stab at it.

00:28:17.260 Edred Thorson calls Odin the Lord of Light and the Dryden of Darkness.

00:28:21.440 Can you explain what that means?

00:28:24.400 Well, for one thing, it sounds really cool.

00:28:26.480 And I'm not knocking it on him.

00:28:28.000 I mean, he is, yeah, he's a very much valid scholar and all of that, but, you know, I'm, you know, I mean, I've got my particular attitude.

00:28:39.220 He's got his.

00:28:40.760 I like to look at that as the idea that Odin can operate in two modes.

00:28:48.920 He can inspire people who need inspiration.

00:28:54.540 He can show us new ways of doing things. He can turn on our mental lights. He can help us

00:29:01.900 to understand the universe around us, the multiverse around us better. But don't mess

00:29:10.000 with him because when it comes down to means, he will do whatever it takes. And I think that's

00:29:19.220 just realistic i mean you know again there i go with the military situation again but yeah

00:29:25.100 there there are certain things that have to be done and the long run in it uh is is is

00:29:33.980 favorable at least to somebody and that's usually us and i'm good with that uh i'm kind of going on

00:29:40.600 about this but you know the he's the personality has got both sides to that and they're going to

00:29:47.520 be times that you can be the scholar there's going to be times that you can

00:29:51.660 be the ice cream salesman down at the corner but if somebody comes up and puts

00:29:58.200 a knife under your wife's face you know what to do no regrets that that's just

00:30:09.400 sort of my thing on it be flexible I guess be all-encompassing be broad

00:30:15.240 It's hard enough to understand both ends of it, but to find that often that twilight spot in the middle, but at one time or another, you will have to find those extremes.

00:30:26.240 absolutely um i think one of those big uh well i think you're uniquely qualified to answer the

00:30:38.460 question because you have a very special relationship with the all-father and you also

00:30:42.880 know um dr flowers very well uh you know i think it's worth noting you know among odin's

00:30:53.720 by names uh you know grim near and and a lot having to do with him being terrifying and

00:31:04.700 you know and grim and dark and all of those things and i think we emphasize that heavily

00:31:12.100 in imagery and stuff but it's also important to note that is you know his home is in gladsheim

00:31:19.380 the home of gladness um he's able to be different things to different people at different times

00:31:28.540 that's one of the really standout characteristics is just how many different names he was known by

00:31:35.820 because in different circumstances to different people at different times he was able to show

00:31:41.000 different facets of himself. And I think that flexibility, that ability to shape himself for

00:31:53.620 the circumstance and for, you know, what's needed at the time is a very important characteristic

00:31:59.300 and understanding and learning from his wisdom. The next question is, how do you both, Matt and

00:32:10.360 steve use the runes which futhark do you use and what are your thoughts on the futhark

00:32:16.520 and northumbrian winds steve what say you i do almost all my work with the uh with the 24

00:32:27.480 elders uh yeah and uh just just habit i think they're in a way i i just feel that they are more

00:32:36.200 quote complete but i know that's not entirely accurate but it's it's it meets my way and it

00:32:43.800 works right for me um yeah let's see what i'm sorry and and after that um oh oh ah

00:32:55.640 Yeah. This is a fairly new thing. And it's, I think, related to what you were talking

00:33:13.860 about a moment ago. It just came to me, oh, my gosh, oh, my gosh, I've got to pass this

00:33:17.860 on. So forgive me if I've kind of barged in. We can always, I mean, it's relevant, but

00:33:22.600 In regards to communication with the gods, the goddesses,

00:33:32.260 we have of course, you know, the casting of runes

00:33:35.880 and so forth and so forth and so forth.

00:33:39.300 And then I got to thinking about Carl Jung

00:33:42.180 and his notion of the gods as archetypes.

00:33:47.180 archetypes. And then I started thinking, well, then, so how, how does one communicate with

00:33:55.800 those archetypes? And of course, Jung was the big guy for, of the, of, of, you know,

00:34:02.800 the, the, I'll start, I'll turn it on, I'll take my time, you know, the, how coincidences,

00:34:12.600 meaningful coincidences are, in a way,

00:34:18.040 exactly equivalent in that respect

00:34:21.360 in terms of communication to the runes or for whatever.

00:34:28.300 And so I thought, well, I'm gonna pay attention

00:34:30.640 to that kind of synchronicity and it dialed in.

00:34:35.640 And it dialed in, I took the Elder Huthar, and I thought, I'm going to cast these runes to see if I should go and try to go into Africa and do X and Y and Z.

00:34:57.700 and I don't have the figures in front of me but the way it worked out if I

00:35:06.280 thought I'd have it in front of me and if anybody wants to know I'll pass them

00:35:09.440 on to you as to the actual numbers that it came out 24 rooms in the food

00:35:18.040 heart pull it out got a rune okay well all right put it back in reshuffled

00:35:32.360 reached in and this is this is with it with no no tactile and certainly no

00:35:40.060 visual uh factors whatsoever pulled it out again another one the same one in 24.

00:35:49.260 put it back in carefully randomized i mean i'm taking this really seriously

00:35:54.540 reached in pulled it out same one 24. and i pumped the odds on that and it came down to

00:36:05.340 to one million, however many,

00:36:10.340 but well more than one in a million

00:36:12.720 to get that particular draw.

00:36:14.780 And I took it that that was my meaning,

00:36:17.960 meaning to me saying that, yes, I needed to go.

00:36:21.660 And so I did, and I didn't regret it.

00:36:25.520 Yeah, could it be a quote accident?

00:36:27.960 Sure, but how would you like to live on those kind of odds?

00:36:31.540 I mean, I think the gods can speak to us

00:36:34.740 through Jungian symbolism and for the odds drawn

00:36:41.720 or something like that.

00:36:45.200 It's amazing, really amazing.

00:36:47.240 I invite folks to give that a try

00:36:48.880 and see how that works in their lives.

00:36:53.600 Do you have any thoughts on the Futhork

00:36:56.160 or the Northumbrian runes?

00:36:59.320 I don't know enough about them

00:37:01.500 to really make much of a statement on that.

00:37:04.740 I think that, you know, all the different styles work and maybe that it interacts with one's own personality and what they want to get out of it.

00:37:16.200 Not what they want to get in terms of an answer, but in terms of the style or perhaps their ancestral relations and so forth.

00:37:26.560 So that's, I think, by all means, they're all worth examining.

00:37:30.340 But, yeah, I've stuck pretty much with our 20-4s.

00:37:40.700 So I'm trying to think of where to start on it.

00:37:50.740 I get the question.

00:37:52.660 You know, I think a lot of people, oh, runes, that's cool.

00:37:56.080 These are awesome.

00:37:57.120 What do we do with them?

00:37:59.600 And I think there's a lot of different things and a lot of different ways you can incorporate them.

00:38:07.880 What I think.

00:38:10.300 Now, every now and again, I would use them in a divinatory way.

00:38:18.740 But most often I do that to bestow gifts on babies at baby namings. 0.69

00:38:25.400 um in that i ask the the nornir to give the child runic blessings and i draw runes

00:38:37.160 according to each nornir and i i uh interpret those um but most often i like to

00:38:49.160 trying to think of it again words escape me on the best way to to encapsulate it but

00:39:01.440 i enjoy

00:39:04.240 invoking rooms for purpose through galder but i also really enjoy runes as

00:39:16.280 a lens to

00:39:20.040 see the world around me. I think that when you are focused on the runes, you notice a lot of

00:39:30.360 the synchronicities that occur, kind of like you were talking about, but in less of a draw way and

00:39:35.800 more of a just things in your life. If you're focused on the runes, you will start seeing

00:39:43.240 runic correlations in your day in the world around you and you know likely do that in an auspicious

00:39:53.560 way certainly do that in a mindful and a aware way and i think that's really important and i think

00:40:00.540 it's really helpful i think they shape your perception of the world i think they shape

00:40:05.780 your perception of earth and it's unfolding around you um so i think that's really important

00:40:14.980 i almost always if not always use the elder futhark i think the elder futhark is inherently

00:40:27.660 inherently magical it's got the spiritual meanings that you want laid out in a way that

00:40:35.840 makes sense and is accessible i think the other developments

00:40:41.880 you know with a couple of different things having asterisks by them but i think the other

00:40:48.120 developments are largely linguistic and for using runes in writing which is fine um i think that

00:40:56.700 the futhorc is the best to try to write english words in because it's built to make anglo-saxon

00:41:07.020 noises um so i mean i think linguistically that makes the most sense to write in english with

00:41:15.180 what i find extremely fascinating about the the northumbrian runes though are the are the um

00:41:22.380 um the last for the quote unquote uh grail runes and they think that is really intriguing and a

00:41:32.440 really meaningful link between germanic concepts celtic concepts and the ur version of you know

00:41:50.620 the arthurian cycle i think it's really you know i forget the order calc stan gar and quorth i think

00:42:04.380 but i find those really interesting and i've tried i've spent a lot of time trying to look

00:42:08.220 into those and and delve for deeper meanings in those and something that i think is really useful

00:42:15.740 when contemplating those runes in specific

00:42:19.740 and their relation to, I don't know,

00:42:23.820 the greater Arian

00:42:26.480 primordial myth of the

00:42:31.860 Holy Grail before it became a Christian interpretation.

00:42:36.800 Mysteries of the Grail, or Mystery of the Grail

00:42:39.660 by Julius Evela, I think is really interesting.

00:42:42.300 I don't know that it's the best book by Evola, but it's the one that captured my imagination the most when I read it.

00:42:51.300 All right, the next one is how does the AFA view the National Alliance?

00:43:00.300 It has similar ideology and Rune logo and has property in Tennessee.

00:43:07.100 steve did you ever have any interaction with dr pierce or any overlap between

00:43:11.900 national alliance members and afa members i knew a couple of members back back in the years

00:43:18.620 uh never met uh the guy running it or anybody who was particularly uh you know high up in it

00:43:26.940 and i haven't seen any of their material in years and years i wasn't even sure if they were still

00:43:32.460 functioning well yeah i think that you know different organizations want to do things to be

00:43:39.820 reach or be helpful and but it's very easy to do things that become very unhelpful all the way

00:43:46.380 yeah so these are interesting times these are interesting times um

00:43:52.940 Um, yeah, I don't, there is not an official AFA, you know, embracing or condemnation of

00:44:04.640 the National Alliance.

00:44:06.100 I, I'd have to say, I mean, obviously there's, there's overlap in, you know, some political

00:44:13.780 interests, certainly overlap in wanting the best for our race.

00:44:19.160 yeah they use they use a rune as a logo um

00:44:26.260 and i i you know i i respect dr pierce uh my

00:44:31.300 i can't claim to be an expert on all of their activities and stuff they do

00:44:38.940 i'm under the impression that they are effectively defunct although i know that there are people

00:44:45.080 that claim to be, you know, some kind of, you know, I guess, descendant of that organization,

00:44:53.740 but I don't think it's the same thing that it was, to my understanding, but correct me if I'm wrong.

00:44:59.840 But the cosmotheism bit seems like atheism with frosting on it.

00:45:09.220 It seems like let's make cool-flavored atheism.

00:45:15.460 I don't think it's a sincere faith.

00:45:17.500 I don't think it is taken sincerely or means sincere things.

00:45:22.500 I think it falls into a category that traditional people know that religion is important and necessary. 0.68

00:45:30.860 They also reject Christianity because of its inherent alienness to our folk.

00:45:39.780 but they aren't quite there they don't 0.98

00:45:44.500 know how to or haven't yet built that relationship with the isir and so they're left to well if we

00:45:53.700 need religion and we should have religion what should we have and if you have a quote-unquote

00:46:00.100 religion that's decoupled from actual belief in divinity then it can take some you know

00:46:09.220 You can kind of do whatever you want with it and make up whatever justifications because it's not built on divine truth.

00:46:16.440 It's built on you wanting to have something that you know you need, but you don't really believe in, but it needs to meet your purposes.

00:46:26.100 And I think that's, I think it's unfortunate because I've met some people that view that as a, I don't know, I think that gives a morale boost to white power flavored atheism.

00:46:45.260 And I don't think that's beneficial for our people, Steve, as you've always said, you know, ours is a is a spiritual struggle.

00:46:52.620 And I think that politics is downstream of religion.

00:46:57.300 And if you're backed by sincere faith in real gods of your folk and a real relationship with those gods, I think you are optimally poised to meet the challenges of your life, be they political, be they personal, be they professional or anything else.

00:47:13.520 And I think that as long as you're as long as you're glorifying something that's not really a sincere faith, it takes energy and momentum away from from doing this, which I think, you know, our shared folks should be doing.

00:47:35.020 going back a little bit we okay steve do you plan on writing more books

00:47:45.640 whereas the last book you published going to be the last

00:47:48.760 yeah there probably will be another i'm not quite sure where i want to put the emphasis on it

00:47:57.100 um yeah my other two of course are very different in so many ways

00:48:02.880 but i think i think they can work together quite well um and i i'm not sure what i will write next

00:48:12.100 i probably will because you know this is what i do but i don't really have it honed down as to

00:48:19.260 as to the question or whatever oops hang on i have one minute you have your cauldron's book

00:48:27.640 ah that's I got reminded I got reminded by my wife but actually I am working on

00:48:37.020 another book yeah we have base yeah and it will focus on the methodology that I

00:48:46.700 put together I think by some considerable inspiration the cauldrons

00:48:54.860 the cauldrons being comparable to uh three main chakras and yeah don't don't get to thinking this

00:49:04.300 is you know some you know meditating on your navel uh and chant in a sanskrit or something

00:49:11.580 uh quite the opposite it's it's it's got considerable i think uh background that could

00:49:19.020 be justified in a scholarly manner um and uh a little lot to to expand on right now maybe another

00:49:29.340 time but uh the idea is uh you know the three three centers are cauldrons one down in the belly

00:49:42.140 another one in the heart and the other one uh up here uh colors black on the bottom

00:49:49.900 red in the middle obviously and then uh change the the the might uh here

00:49:59.180 which sounds simplistic not just simple but simplistic but when you look at it with some

00:50:05.420 depth i find it's quite the other way uh and i'm i'm having fun doing it it's

00:50:12.380 i've got i've got most of it put together i've got some things i want to switch around with and

00:50:18.540 maybe put more meat in it so to speak but uh it's become my personal practice in many ways

00:50:26.140 you know not not that i disregard other other things you know loads and offerings to gods and

00:50:32.220 so forth but uh it works okay for me i don't know when it's going to be finished

00:50:42.140 If I could buckle down to it, which I keep telling myself literally day after day for the past week, Steve, you could knock this baby out in 24 hours.

00:50:56.560 And I think I probably could.

00:50:58.540 You know, something else always comes up.

00:51:00.120 The car needs this or the X needs that or the Y is discombobulated or, you know, or whatever.

00:51:08.360 But I think you can hear some more coming from it pretty soon.

00:51:18.420 Carl wants to know, founder, I need your opinion.

00:51:21.480 If you had to choose one, what would be your favorite symbol of the gods?

00:51:29.680 Wow.

00:51:30.080 Wow.

00:51:30.180 Um, I haven't actually thought of that. Um, I, I feel like about a week ago, I was inching

00:51:50.600 close to, to something like that that works. And, and in fact, it's still back in there

00:51:56.100 somewhere um now i'll probably go to bed and time i book it uh but yeah i i think that there there

00:52:05.780 can be a an overarching symbol that that ties it all together but you know i don't know catch

00:52:13.220 me in a couple of weeks maybe i'll have it seriously uh so fair enough um

00:52:26.100 Mr. McNallan, are you trying to make the journey east this December for Frazehoff dedication?

00:52:34.940 Before you answer that, this is a good time to remind everybody.

00:52:39.500 Austintown, Ohio, December the 6th, we are dedicating Frazehoff.

00:52:45.200 Let's say once in a forever event, so you should be there if you can.

00:52:51.480 I would invite any of you guys to make the trip and be there.

00:52:55.120 Please talk to one of your folk builders if you want more information.

00:52:59.140 And Steve, are you planning to attend?

00:53:02.500 Yes, we are.

00:53:05.620 Excellent.

00:53:08.680 Well, that will be a boon for everyone there is to get to see you

00:53:15.080 and have you present as we do that dedication.

00:53:18.320 And that's exciting.

00:53:21.320 I know I talked to people a little bit about that this last weekend.

00:53:25.120 at Veteraniter and they're very excited.

00:53:29.400 They're very excited that you and Sheila are gonna come out.

00:53:32.980 I didn't tell them a hundred percent.

00:53:34.220 I said, we check and make sure, but I was pretty sure.

00:53:36.060 So, that's gonna be fantastic.

00:53:41.140 You know, I'm half Irish, so I'll love to talk

00:53:44.680 and be glad to have some good conversations with people.

00:53:50.180 Well, I know people would be happy to have, you know,

00:53:53.300 think they'll be overjoyed to have conversations with you so that's awesome actually i was i was

00:53:58.580 having some serious thoughts about the old irish situation uh over the over the past weeks and it's

00:54:08.020 it looks sort of like a a diagram you know where you know there's all this hassle that's building

00:54:15.540 up and building up and it hasn't hit the other side yet you know and as it turns out i think it

00:54:21.060 is interesting uh that the irish people and the english people are facing the same problems in

00:54:30.740 terms of immigration and the sovereignty of their own countries and so forth and so forth and wouldn't 0.97

00:54:38.260 it be nice if for once the celts and the germans could get together and turn away people who are 0.96

00:54:46.980 radically different from us and who want to absorb us. We could use a lot fewer casualties on both 1.00

00:54:54.100 sides of the Irish and the English. It's too close to brother wars. We need to not do that stuff.

00:55:05.380 No more brother wars. We have enough foes, real foes, to get too wild out about it. That's what

00:55:16.260 i think all right so here's an interesting interesting question uh

00:55:28.500 what do either of you think of crawford's theory that all father is a mistranslation

00:55:35.780 and it should instead be all shaper or all orderer steve do you have any thoughts on that

00:55:41.940 to be honest i don't uh i don't i you know might have run across that at some point but it didn't

00:55:51.780 stick with me um i don't know i said that's an interesting thought it's always good to check out

00:55:59.300 you know possibilities whether it will bear fruit you know i had no idea

00:56:05.060 so i don't want to come out too hard on it not hearing dr crawford present

00:56:17.780 what his point is what his theory is

00:56:22.820 but no it's not a mistranslation at all um the original text is really really clear

00:56:32.580 at least in the gilfaginning.

00:56:43.440 It's really obvious that the word father is used there twice.

00:56:48.860 Translates in English as Odin is called Allfather

00:56:52.960 because he's the father of all the gods.

00:56:57.660 That's not a translation error.

00:56:59.420 That's exactly what the text says.

00:57:02.580 And now if his fault is with Snorri and he thinks that Snorri got the message wrong or something, that'd be a different argument.

00:57:15.520 But it's certainly not a mistranslation of the Old Norse, which, I mean, he is an Old Norse expert.

00:57:22.940 So that's why I said, like, I'm not going at him.

00:57:25.680 I'm going at the thing that was just presented to me.

00:57:27.940 I think that, you know, he knows Old Norse better than I do and he can read as well as I can.

00:57:32.200 So he knows what I just said. But yeah, I mean, certainly shaping and ordering is, I wouldn't, I don't think it would be incorrect for Dr. Crawford to start fresh naming him the all order or all shaper.

00:57:57.420 i don't think that's incorrect uh he and his brothers shaped our existence out of the the 0.71

00:58:05.420 body of emir they shaped our soul as arian men and women um yeah i don't find that to be

00:58:14.940 wrong but it's just not a mistranslation of the you know literal all father that's

00:58:20.460 That's very plain, plainly presented in the Guilf beginning.

00:58:29.520 Last question is from Matt.

00:58:31.220 How do you choose new locations to open a new Hoth?

00:58:34.960 Is it just small towns that happen to be majority demographically white? 0.92

00:58:39.500 Suggestions. 0.99

00:58:40.220 Many folks in Idaho need one there. 1.00

00:58:44.800 Every place there are white people, we need Hoths to our gods. 1.00

00:58:49.020 Absolutely, that is true. 1.00

00:58:50.460 um so it is a complex matrix of things

00:58:57.860 uh i don't think that the demographics have to be majority white at all matter of fact i think we

00:59:09.240 get a

00:59:11.200 think in our head that's like the most favorable place to put one but realistically i think

00:59:19.120 in places with a drastic minority whites is probably where one is needed the most. 0.58

00:59:26.100 I think those people are uniquely aware of their need to celebrate themselves, their heritage,

00:59:32.420 and their gods. But I think that all comes into play in a little bit different ways. So,

00:59:38.680 So, you know, we need. All right. When the process starts, I start looking around for churches for sale in wherever the places that I start searching are places that we have.

00:59:58.660 a good number of AFA members within a three-hour radius.

01:00:08.940 I think three hours is about the

01:00:12.380 max distance for monthly attendance to a HALF.

01:00:19.780 I mean, we have some superstars that go above and beyond that,

01:00:23.220 and that's awesome,

01:00:24.200 but I think that's kind of the target is a three-hour radius.

01:00:28.660 more than just that so we need a stable community of people to take care of off when we get a hof

01:00:35.860 and we dedicate that to one of our gods we make a commitment to maintain that hof in perpetuity

01:00:45.380 that's all part of that gift that we're giving to the gods

01:00:48.580 and it would be a great shame to us if we were not able to live up to that so

01:00:53.620 So when we get a Hoff, it needs to be somewhere we can count on having the infrastructure to take care of it and to attend it regularly.

01:01:03.860 So we don't just need members there.

01:01:06.280 We need leaders.

01:01:07.000 We need people who have stepped up to volunteer, certainly to be folk builders. 0.75

01:01:12.380 But beyond that, if we're going to have a Hoff, we need Gothar to man the Hoff and to lead and to provide Blotar to the Aesir. 0.85

01:01:25.020 And so we need Gothar there. 0.94

01:01:28.340 I would love to see a Hoff in Idaho. 0.95

01:01:32.960 Absolutely.

01:01:33.940 I'd love to see a Hoff everywhere.

01:01:35.220 it. If you are in Idaho and you want a Hoff near you, and this is the rub, and I hope that as we 0.69

01:01:47.000 continue to get more Hoffs, this will be an easier thing to conceptualize. The fastest way for you to 0.97

01:01:54.940 get a Hoff near you is for you to help us pay off the Hoff we have in Austintown, Ohio. 0.96

01:02:00.380 because as soon as we're done with that we'll move to tiershoff and we will continue as long

01:02:08.420 as we have the infrastructure to support the hoffs um i mean i said this when we paid off

01:02:14.260 odenshoff and it you know some people you know cocked an eyebrow at me but it's what got us one

01:02:22.340 in North Carolina, in Minnesota, in Florida, and now in Ohio. It's a method that works.

01:02:31.520 Beyond that, if you're in Idaho and you want Hoff in Idaho, volunteer to folk build in Idaho,

01:02:41.780 excel at folk building in Idaho, and then pursue being ordained as a go-fi in Idaho. And that would

01:02:48.500 significantly accelerate idaho being on the map of somewhere we need to get off

01:02:54.940 um other thing is we look for as i said we go looking for churches for sale now we would

01:03:03.680 consider other charitably zoned buildings uh churches uniquely fit the things we need

01:03:12.360 They often have kitchen facilities, multi-purpose room facilities, worship space facilities, and they're built for white people getting together to worship. 0.66

01:03:24.680 That's how those buildings came about, and it makes them very well suited.

01:03:29.620 And they also come with a zoning that's appropriate for what we're doing, which is also very important.

01:03:34.120 And on top of that, finding something that has the right, has a good enough building, but also has good enough land and is in at a price point that we can afford.

01:03:54.080 And all of those things going together can make it a little bit of a challenge depending on where we look.

01:04:01.340 But we start looking pretty far out to try to get get the best things figured and to to make good choices on it.

01:04:11.820 But also and most importantly, during the entire process.

01:04:21.880 I'm sure others do this as well, but I spend a lot of time in prayer.

01:04:27.200 asking whoever the god is of the Hoff that we're going to dedicate

01:04:35.020 to help guide us towards something that they would approve of

01:04:41.340 and that they would find beneficial and worthy of them

01:04:44.840 and helping them guide our efforts.

01:04:48.080 I believe very much that the ISEER guide our efforts

01:04:54.040 in getting these Hoffs with the caveat that we've got to be putting in the work. You know,

01:05:00.000 I don't ever want to miss out on a Hoff for one of our gods because I was slacking, because I

01:05:06.640 wasn't looking hard enough, because I wasn't out there, you know, trying to find every way to make

01:05:12.140 the fundraising work or whatever other elements. I want myself and the rest of AFA leadership to

01:05:21.200 be giving it our all. And if it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, then it wasn't meant to

01:05:26.540 be. But the important part is we got to be doing our part. If we're all out there looking, thinking,

01:05:34.200 examining, trying to make the best decision we can, and asking for the blessings of the gods,

01:05:40.940 then, you know, I trust that they'll guide us in the right direction. And so far, they absolutely

01:05:46.300 we have um so austin says happy birthday founder mcnalen which edit poem is your favorite

01:06:00.860 well thanks for the uh thanks for the birthday uh celebration um i think that the the half

01:06:11.100 them all really kind of says it to me uh the whole idea of of you know the creation of a cosmos

01:06:20.300 and it's it's changes and so forth it always appeals to me uh it's very visual uh there's a

01:06:28.860 part of me that was scientist uh and i'm not saying that we should submit the edit poems to

01:06:34.940 scientific examination at all but nonetheless you know it's the formation of the cosmos of its

01:06:42.700 its manifestation uh but there there's priceless little pieces uh run run throughout uh the others

01:06:51.900 that can appeal especially to to the individual you know and you you if you're lucky you can find

01:06:59.020 just the right uh just the right stanzas that you know make your day a lot of people make almost a

01:07:06.620 a divination thing as to open open up uh you know some of the poems and see see if it turns out that

01:07:14.940 it can give you an idea of what your day is going to be like uh incredible things that have worked

01:07:24.700 out through that that sort of divination uh things happen that where the chances are maybe one in a

01:07:34.460 few hundred that it would have come out the way it did and i find that that works so pretty well

01:07:39.900 with divination in general but the etic material is is is multi-purpose and i find that you know

01:07:47.900 you you can you can just like the rhythm of it and the and the and the the articulation of it

01:07:55.100 or you can be enthused about you know the story in it and it's it's a wealth it's a wealth you

01:08:02.060 know so it's hard for me to say that there's any one uh but yeah the material in the half

01:08:11.180 model appeals to me greatly. All right. How much and how long will Tiers Hoff take to

01:08:27.140 build. So, it's a fine question. Anybody who doesn't know, Tiers Hoff is going to be our

01:08:41.380 first purpose-built Hoff. It's going to be built on our property in Jackson County, Tennessee.

01:08:53.020 it's going to be built in the north field of that property and

01:08:59.820 so the answer is i don't know but i'm trying to give you the details that i do know to add

01:09:08.360 some value to your question we are currently trying to work out the particulars on that

01:09:17.160 I would like to, and I'm in the process of creating plans that, all right, it would be the more labor we can get from AFA members, the better.

01:09:34.980 However, I think, yes, there is a significant cost saving involved, but I think there's also a spiritual value of our people being able to put in the labor to build that.

01:09:50.980 So I'd like to see as much of that as we can.

01:09:53.400 But I'm also realistic, and I know that sometimes having the right people in the right place at the right time doesn't always, those things don't always match up the way that we would like.

01:10:04.260 So I also want the plans to be actionable to take to a contractor and say, hey, build this.

01:10:14.200 Perhaps, and it's my hope that through the AFA, we can get AFA contractors and AFA professionals along with AFA volunteers to make the process happen.

01:10:27.140 As far as how long, it all depends on what we do.

01:10:30.320 And this is what the how much to what I would like to see happen if we can is to split the project up into phases to where we can fundraise for a phase, get our people involved in that, make that first step and then fundraise and build the second step and third and so on and so forth until it's done.

01:10:52.060 we have had a really big expansion in our hoffs over the last 10 years we have gone over the last

01:11:03.960 exactly 10 years we have gone from zero hoffs to five hoffs that's awesome and we needed a lot of

01:11:11.300 catching up to do on that we're currently not in a place with the numbers we have right now

01:11:17.460 to go beyond tiershoff so while we wait for our member number and our income to increase we want

01:11:27.140 to spend time doing tiershoff right focusing on that and putting our attention there and hopefully

01:11:37.300 as we do this those other numbers will come up but it also gives us a little bit of time to work

01:11:44.420 that out and to do that process it being something completely new to us it could go up super quick

01:11:51.460 and be amazing or we could run into you know some unexpected things and it could be a little bit

01:11:56.260 longer process so time will tell on that we are currently like i was talking today with god it's

01:12:03.060 helping me we are working on narrowing down the dimensions and the plan that we want for tears

01:12:11.060 off so we've got that ready to we're going to certainly have something to show you and some

01:12:17.620 cost ideas at least for portions of it so we can be ready to go as soon as phrasehoff is paid off

01:12:25.220 if every single afa member wanted to pay 140 towards uh paying off phrase off right now

01:12:37.300 then you guys have forced my hand and I would have to get by dedication a plan for you guys on

01:12:43.740 Tearshoff. I'm going to try to do that anyway or get as close as I can to have something to show

01:12:48.040 to show you and go for it. But as soon as we get Frazehoff paid off, we're going to be working on

01:12:53.980 Tearshoff for certain. But yeah, to get, and I know that doesn't answer your question. The trouble

01:12:59.040 is I truly don't know how much money it'll take and how long it'll take. Like I said, labor is

01:13:04.740 usually about 50% of the cost, and if we have AFA folks that can put in labor, that's whatever

01:13:09.740 number I give you in half, but we're currently trying to work that out, and as I said, we

01:13:15.740 should know a little bit more as we get closer.

01:13:27.880 Do both of y'all know of or who Penty Lincola is?

01:13:35.500 I think you could tell with how I pronounce that that I do not, and I have no idea.

01:13:40.440 Steve, do you know?

01:13:41.820 I've heard the name Lincola, but I don't remember the context.

01:13:46.420 Sounds Finnish to me, but that's about all I know.

01:13:50.680 You are absolutely right, sir.

01:13:52.320 It is Finnish.

01:13:53.440 I don't know who he is, but he is an environmentalist, an ornithologist, a naturalist, a writer,

01:14:03.200 and there's a YouTube video called Pinti Lincola, environmental extremist or prophet of doom.

01:14:08.740 I don't know.

01:14:11.500 Okay.

01:14:13.820 There you have it.

01:14:15.000 Also, is your property going to be striving to both influence the surrounding areas but also become self-sufficient in about everything you can?

01:14:28.540 No, we're not striving for self-sufficiency.

01:14:32.960 It's just not that kind of property.

01:14:34.720 That's not really our mission there.

01:14:38.620 Influence our surroundings?

01:14:40.300 Absolutely.

01:14:40.960 We want to do that any place we go.

01:14:45.000 we would love to have the best relations we can with the communities that we find ourselves in.

01:14:55.060 We want to be good neighbors. That's, you know, an important value to us.

01:15:01.080 And Jackson County, Tennessee is a very nice place that I think we have a lot of opportunity to

01:15:07.320 to be, you know, an important part of that community and to really build a solid foundation

01:15:17.000 there. And that's what we're looking forward to doing. Steve, what do you hope for the AFA in the

01:15:25.680 next 30 years? Thank you for everything you've done and happy birthday from the Sutherlands.

01:15:31.880 Oh, thank you, Sutherlands. Always, always good to hear from you guys. Hope you're

01:15:37.160 all doing well uh what i hope for for the afa in the next 30 years um world domination and

01:15:48.040 galactic colonization okay maybe not not this time but uh i think i think

01:16:00.280 i think that matt will probably will guide it in wise ways uh i think that what

01:16:06.280 most of us would like to see is is a growth which takes into into into consideration that the

01:16:17.080 environment that we'll be working in uh the social environment could get all weird in the future and

01:16:22.040 i think we have to at least be be aware of that and uh yeah prepared to take care of each other

01:16:28.600 um i don't know a lot about mormons but just just from you know from my third cousin whatever is

01:16:37.960 uh they're good at organizing that stuff i think matt's good at organizing stuff

01:16:42.720 and there will be different challenges um it's a little hard to be optimistic about the future

01:16:51.740 the situations that we face will be substantial i'm sure and that's why we need to consider all

01:17:01.920 the all the reasonable options uh you know make a list and i'm sure that's that's ultimately

01:17:09.080 something like that will happen um we need to keep keep the message going we need to not relent

01:17:16.740 We need to get a supportive culture that will side with us and realize why we're doing whatever it is that we're doing at that particular time.

01:17:28.960 And that takes a certain grace.

01:17:31.660 It takes a certain knowledge.

01:17:33.680 But I'm absolutely convinced that we can do that.

01:17:38.240 I don't know how much of that I'll be around to see.

01:17:40.900 But, you know, I'll be sitting there looking on.

01:17:46.740 So I think just make good choices, emphasize professionalism, hit just the right pitch on certain issues.

01:18:00.600 You know, we must always care about and have as number one, you know, our fault, working with it and making us holier, making us more connected to the gods, making us more connected to each other, making us more connected to ideas.

01:18:24.300 and actually we've got a lot of good ideas but you know we must we must not be afraid to implement

01:18:30.220 that and to to carry on as so that a hundred years from now two three hundred years from now

01:18:38.540 there are affairs throughout the solar system if that's if that's what we decide to do

01:18:45.260 actually earth is pretty cool too and i'm gonna hang around here for a while

01:18:49.580 That's pretty much the way I see it. There will be trials. There will be lots of difficulties. There are plenty of people that would like to annihilate us.

01:19:04.120 We must be the kind of people who can keep our guts together, keep our guts, our hearts, and our mind all functioning in liaison.

01:19:19.580 so that we can bring in the kind of people we want and do our mission.

01:19:27.220 Our mission is a holy one.

01:19:29.020 It will always be a holy one.

01:19:31.400 And I'll be looking on, so don't think you're going to get by on anything.

01:19:38.420 All right.

01:19:39.180 So just I'm not sure if you've got the chat pulled up on yours

01:19:43.220 or you're looking at it, but just so you know,

01:19:45.240 we have dozens and dozens of happy birthdays and folks singing your praises as well they should

01:19:54.840 i got a question that came in on the email i see claims that people are returning to christianity

01:20:04.520 in droves because of charlie kirk there are a lot of claims that he was killed for being christian

01:20:10.280 do you think these two things are true?" Steve, do you have thoughts on that?

01:20:15.000 I have thoughts on that, but it's mostly curiosity. I'm kind of aware of this backing

01:20:22.040 and forthing and various forces influencing one side and something else happening somewhere else.

01:20:30.280 It's difficult. He seems to have been a good man, and it's too bad that what happened happened.

01:20:40.280 Who is behind it? Well, they're just all interesting people behind all sorts of things these days, it seems. I'm not in any position to, you know, I don't have any more knowledge than anybody else does, really. But these are tumultuous times. There are forces working behind everything we do. Some of them are good. Some of them are about as bad as they get.

01:21:03.960 and we need to be able to cultivate the good, find the people that are on our side, find the

01:21:11.520 people that are sincerely on our side and who will put effort into it. I think we're going to

01:21:19.700 see some, quote, interesting times, unquote, in the next few years. I don't know how that will

01:21:25.480 manifest, which is why we all have to stick together. We've got to get each other's backs.

01:21:30.940 we've got to have ways of protecting ourselves from you know economic crisis and all this stuff

01:21:38.840 i i i i'm i'm no scholar uh but i think that there's there's going to be a lot of issues to

01:21:45.700 deal with and we need to work together in a way that we can ride out the storm and uh watch the

01:21:52.860 rainbow in the end yeah um to the two questions the two questions

01:21:59.600 yes lots of people are returning to christianity because of the charlie kirk assassination

01:22:07.640 um is that going to be a lasting trend i don't know i think that that that assassination rocked

01:22:17.420 a lot of people and myself and my family included.

01:22:25.500 I mean, it's when someone is killed in a spectacular way where it draws the attention of

01:22:35.880 the world and the nation, I think that it's really easy to retcon your feelings about that

01:22:42.120 person. I was never a Charlie Kirk fan in his life. I think the differences that I had here

01:22:51.520 are largely because of our very different faiths. And I think the weakness that his faith

01:22:58.860 imbues in its followers. I think that's the, that's the crux of it. But I will say this,

01:23:07.860 wasn't a big charlie kirk fan i have a lot of respect for charlie kirk that was something

01:23:14.500 who sincerely believed and he had the courage to stand by the things that he believed

01:23:21.220 to put himself i mean obvious hindsight's 2020 but even at the time to put himself in himself

01:23:31.000 in dangerous situations or in uncertain situations

01:23:34.360 to be an advocate for the things he believed in.

01:23:40.340 And he had the courage to discuss his beliefs

01:23:44.840 and his ideas openly.

01:23:46.380 I think that in a lot of the common sense things

01:23:51.220 that he talked about, certainly we agree

01:23:53.320 because we're not insane.

01:23:55.180 And the left has gone so far into complete demonic chaos

01:24:01.000 whatever that means to whoever's listening a lot of people with in normal times a pretty

01:24:09.320 big divergence find ourselves side by side against the tide of just complete degeneracy

01:24:16.480 destruction and chaos um but yes certainly lots and lots of people going back to church because

01:24:24.460 of it from a lot of different places what i will say i am saddened and greatly offended by but also

01:24:35.260 thankful for for the cause of alsatru at his funeral his widow went up there

01:24:43.020 and made a big point of forgiving the people who assassinated him

01:24:46.780 And that's probably what he would have wanted, but it paints in very stark contrast Christianity and our faith and Alistair and, you know, things that are right and wrong.

01:25:05.560 it is wrong to give blanket forgiveness to people that brutally murder the people that you love

01:25:18.220 that's bad and i think every fiber of our being knows that that's bad

01:25:24.400 and that i think is something that pumped the brakes on a number of people in that you know

01:25:33.120 that run back to church that a lot of people were doing.

01:25:35.960 I think a lot of people are like, eh, maybe not.

01:25:41.780 Did he die for his Christianity?

01:25:50.060 I think in a way, yes.

01:25:52.740 I don't think it was just that.

01:25:54.860 And I think, you know, as there are a lot of theories, I think that his Christianity was such an integral part of everything that he did, that just like he lived for his Christianity, he certainly did die for it in that sense.

01:26:15.800 But I don't know if the specific cause of his death was, you know, directed at Christianity as much as it was directed at traditional worldview, at awareness of disproportionate Israeli influence on things or any number of things in between.

01:26:39.360 um but i certainly think that his core belief system was a very was the key of why he was

01:26:47.400 assassinated and he would say that that was that was christ so and like i said i have

01:26:53.640 tremendous respect and his assassination moved me my family to our core

01:27:00.920 I'm not going to go worship, worship Jesus, but I do respect, I respect Charlie Kirk a lot.

01:27:17.360 Does the AFA handout pamphlets go door to door or how does it recruit?

01:27:22.460 so we go we are trying to get some pamphlets figured out for to be at the ready when people

01:27:36.100 are interested no we don't go door to door how do we recruit poorly so i wish that we

01:27:46.440 recruited better, and that's always been a hard nut for us to crack. I don't think anything would

01:27:54.180 be fundamentally wrong if we did go to door-to-door or if we did, you know, stand on the street corner

01:27:59.420 with pamphlets. Trouble is, we don't have a lot of people willing to do that. A lot of our people

01:28:06.480 are not willing to go stand somewhere and hand out pamphlets, and they're certainly not willing

01:28:11.600 to go door to door to annoy people um what and i say that going door to door is obnoxious and so

01:28:23.860 i'm probably not pro that especially coming from a jehovah's witness background i'm aware that it's

01:28:30.680 obnoxious um i think this but i think that the pamphlet thing is a cool idea if people actually

01:28:36.200 want to do it trouble is we just don't have people that are willing to do that um

01:28:40.960 So getting some pamphlets for people to hand out to folks that want to, though, I think is a really good idea. As far as how do we recruit, so much of it's word of mouth. We recruit through existing in the real world doing stuff, which our Hoffs are a huge step forward in doing that in a real world organic way.

01:29:04.300 we recruit

01:29:06.120 we get a lot

01:29:08.540 we generate a lot of interest

01:29:10.260 through this show

01:29:11.980 that's why I do the cheesy

01:29:14.280 like share and subscribe

01:29:15.820 I do that so this gets in front of

01:29:18.740 more eyes because it's a big

01:29:20.360 factor in bringing our folk home

01:29:22.780 Twitter or

01:29:28.100 X is

01:29:29.540 I'd say our next biggest

01:29:32.060 way of getting the word out

01:29:34.220 We get a lot of people that join because they found out about us there.

01:29:39.420 So those are, I mean, that's the reality of how we end up recruiting.

01:29:44.740 We also, as we, as our members and specifically our folk builders get bolstered in their courage,

01:29:55.300 we also recruit by conversation, by word of mouth with people we know,

01:29:59.500 by putting the word out there and having conversations with people when stuff comes up.

01:30:05.260 We got to look for those openings. That brings a lot of people to us. So that's what we've got

01:30:11.380 right now. And, you know, saying that out loud, obviously, we need to figure out

01:30:15.880 better recruitment strategy. But that's so far what we do.

01:30:21.420 hmm steve happy birthday again what made you choose northern california as the location

01:30:32.340 for the very first half was it just beautiful surroundings or did the gods call you there

01:30:38.100 probably more the latter but circumstantially you know friends and relatives in the area

01:30:48.380 Let's see, I'm trying to, wow, was that after I got out of the Army?

01:30:54.400 Yes, you came to California after the Army.

01:30:56.880 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:58.160 But we got the Hoth because it was near where we lived from the beginning.

01:31:02.340 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:04.060 Yeah, it was a post-military situation kind of, you know, new people in the area.

01:31:11.580 It was all good.

01:31:14.200 That said, I will always be a Texan.

01:31:19.180 period uh uh but uh but that's i can tolerate california and yeah maybe make the place a

01:31:29.820 little better i don't know you know um but it's it's not bad uh we can we can do good stuff out

01:31:37.100 here um what was what was the the other part of that uh just what made you what made you go there

01:31:45.900 what uh what made that be the center from which the rest of this was built around

01:31:52.460 yeah well i think i pretty much covered it uh it's there's a lot of people here there's a

01:31:58.700 surprisingly a number of people who share a certain amount of our of our ethos um so so here i was

01:32:10.780 what made you move out there originally

01:32:12.380 I had married a girl from Turlock years ago, and so that's kind of what I knew about California

01:32:35.180 and its good points and its bad points. So yeah, I had those kinds of roots for, you

01:32:42.380 a while okay steve would story time be possible a seasonal reading of october women perhaps

01:32:53.500 I don't see why not. I was tempted to suggest something. My mouth is too dry. I have to

01:33:16.340 I'll put some liquid on it here in a minute.

01:33:18.920 Oh, is that mine? 1.00

01:33:29.520 Sheila's doing something with October women over there now. 0.99

01:33:35.100 Yeah, I'd love it. 0.92

01:33:35.940 I think it's a nice piece.

01:33:39.640 Yeah, I was honored to see it used recently.

01:33:46.340 Good deal. Well, while you get to that, I see some talk over in the chat room about the door-to-door ministry that isn't.

01:33:57.460 So I have had really good interactions lately with two Mormon elders that are in their early 20s at the park that I take my daughter to.

01:34:14.080 they tend to go through there on their bicycles when I'm there often and I've spent hours and

01:34:21.460 hours talking to these guys and I am genuinely like when I say curious like I'm not interested

01:34:29.560 in converting but I'm very curious how their theology and their church operates I've got a

01:34:35.860 lot of questions about Mormonism, but I make sure that they know that it's like a, like an equal

01:34:44.700 exchange of things. So they're trying to convert me, but I'm also trying to convert them. So they

01:34:49.680 ask me a bunch of questions about Ausatru because they're genuinely interested in it. Like they're

01:34:55.020 at least, you know, interested in learning about it. And so we've had these really good back and

01:35:00.620 forth. I mean, we talk for hours and hours about different stuff. I'm sitting there anyway, so it's

01:35:07.120 a fun thing to do. It's interesting conversation, but yeah, it's instructive in, I don't know,

01:35:15.100 learning how to answer some of those questions to different people who are out proselytizing,

01:35:20.860 how to have kind of that conversation with them and talking to them a little bit about their

01:35:25.960 experience with doing it so that's been that's been fascinating it's really been uh been

01:35:33.000 interesting talking to those to those kids about about religion in general and uh come to find out

01:35:41.160 because they get their uh phones issued by the mormon church they are not runestone.org is

01:35:47.480 blocked they cannot go to our website and find out about us lest they abandon abandon jesus

01:35:55.160 and embrace their true gods okay sheila just brought me a copy of october women

01:36:17.720 whenever you would like it is yours

01:36:19.720 sorry say again whenever you would like uh floor is yours okay all right

01:36:29.560 i don't have my glasses but i think it's it's in large enough print that i can do it

01:36:37.560 oh yeah yeah yeah wait wait you do this is this you don't have my good ones on do you

01:36:41.800 we have we have assorted pairs of glasses around here uh yeah none of them seen at any recent time

01:36:51.160 by an ophthalmologist uh but as my eyes get worse yeah it helps so here it is here's steve the nerd

01:37:00.360 this was inspired by uh by uh uh a poem a longer piece really about about about october and the

01:37:16.760 the transition in terms of spirit and in terms of just the way we feel the world around us you know

01:37:24.600 as as as autumn comes on and i i liked it and so i i used it for a for another piece october women

01:37:35.880 can you hear her can you hear them shut your eyes and listen through the dark

01:37:44.280 rustle crackle crunch on the leaves once green now brown like freya's cloak

01:37:50.040 Green cloaks are for growing things and for tossing on the grass for a love bed.

01:37:57.240 Brown cloaks, like fallen leaves and bare earth, are for covering and concealing for October.

01:38:06.800 Ray Bradbury knows about October, but he doesn't know about her.

01:38:13.300 Or it wouldn't be his thumbs that prickle when frost circles the moon like her necklace

01:38:18.000 and is too cold to make love on the stark ground.

01:38:22.340 Maybe he hears the ones behind her

01:38:24.780 and fears the desear. 1.00

01:38:28.300 Creaking bones, dried up skin bags,

01:38:32.720 wrinkles like old apples in the straw.

01:38:36.220 But Bradbury's got October right,

01:38:38.720 at least as far as he goes.

01:38:40.620 Summer's end, no more long days to run in the sun

01:38:44.160 and play in fields like children.

01:38:45.860 it's adult time now indoors school books open turn pages turn inward and keep the fire lit

01:38:57.020 all night falling leaves turn to falling snow but the ancient ladies ignore the chill

01:39:03.880 out in the paddock stands the burial mounds stones all icy but the desir don't care

01:39:10.360 They cackle and call as though the air was warm and flowers bedecked the barrow in the sun.

01:39:17.120 You can hear them better this time of year without the humming of the insects

01:39:21.980 or the sighs of lovers moving over the grass. 0.93

01:39:26.000 The desir, those ancient women, call to you.

01:39:32.980 Mothers, grandmothers, cousins and kin of old, 1.00

01:39:36.840 they hail and halloo as though they never left the far side. Remember to feed the animals,

01:39:43.320 the desir say, and brew the fine beer that will keep you cheery. It's not too cold to take off

01:39:49.200 your clothes under the cover, especially if you've someone to snuggle with. Keep a log on the family's

01:39:56.440 honor and know that summer lies beyond the snow creaking bones and leathery skin

01:40:05.480 wrinkles cracked voices aged dulled eyes mr bradbury should know freya better than that

01:40:15.400 october is now but springtime is forever and the desir call us from verdant vistas

01:40:23.960 their eyes shine brightly and their supple bodies twist and weave as they dance in the sun

01:40:32.200 you can make it they say and as usual they're right there's it there it is

01:40:42.280 thank you for that i said well thank you for that you're welcome yeah yeah i i well

01:40:53.560 hell i'm an october guy so yeah i'll take off my glasses so i can see

01:41:04.360 so is there you have a favorite time of year and if so what is it

01:41:14.680 i think it probably is october i guess i'm just prejudiced but uh there's that it's always you

01:41:21.800 know it's uh it's

01:41:26.200 high school football games uh it's it's the changing of the leaves

01:41:32.520 it's that nip to the air it's the wondering oh no maybe i should wear the coat out tonight uh

01:41:40.680 it's i don't know i just i don't i don't think i like it because you know i was born then

01:41:47.240 particularly but but it's just got an appeal for me uh yeah give me a sweater i'm good to go man

01:42:01.720 What is something about Steve that other folks probably don't know that you'd like to share with people?

01:42:09.840 Ooh.

01:42:14.360 What would that be?

01:42:19.360 Got a good idea, Sheila, because you know me pretty well.

01:42:23.100 I do.

01:42:23.600 What is something that you know about me?

01:42:26.440 I'm getting into dangerous waters here.

01:42:31.720 Well, most people might not know that, hang on, I was thinking of one a little bit earlier today.

01:42:42.220 uh when i was when i was in high school i was perhaps slightly to the right

01:42:54.540 uh and in high school i was active with uh our in touch with uh the cuban exile movement in florida

01:43:06.780 and I had connections with Commandos L and Alpha CCT6 and other organizations of that sort.

01:43:19.180 I don't think that I was breaking the law by doing this, but my freshman year in high school,

01:43:28.100 correction college yeah bad enough I was I was in ROTC and yeah I I was walking

01:43:40.500 through through the ROTC building one day and I look in the office and there's

01:43:46.040 this this huge trash can full of field manuals and I say top what's what's what's

01:43:53.060 what's with the full can here and says ah they're but they're bunches of uh old field manuals you

01:43:58.420 know they're outdated they're still usable but you know they you know they we we can't keep them on

01:44:04.580 the shelf so we just tossed them in the trash so they're years i said oh really and within

01:44:11.220 a matter of days uh those particular manuals were in miami florida so you know i've always been

01:44:18.260 active on on the anti-communist end of things um and support uh anti-communist causes just about

01:44:26.900 anywhere that was especially the the the emphasis you know like a few decades ago but you know

01:44:34.420 now we've got our our market marxists you know running up through things and one thing or another

01:44:43.940 but that was that was pretty much that was steve and and and it is his teens his lower teens uh

01:44:52.580 higher higher teens one thing or another uh so about how about this story going to film wood

01:44:59.380 that's a good one with the time of your business when you went to the debates

01:45:05.220 you know i i know i've actually i've got another one that that i think might might

01:45:08.820 be a little more interesting this will require us just a quick

01:45:13.940 damn uh hell i had a good idea this morning and now i don't know what it was let me glass

01:45:23.300 this piece of paper here i i did in fact do a few notes let's see uh oh yeah africa africa 0.98

01:45:35.620 i had uh i had gotten out of the army while i was still stationed in germany

01:45:40.100 call it a european out and within days i had packed up my rucksack and and headed for uh

01:45:49.860 well i crossed i crossed over closer to the meridian to the mediterranean uh right along

01:45:55.460 the coast there but uh when it went as far over as algeria hung a right and hitchhiked and or walked

01:46:03.300 through the sahara i was a weird guy even then um usually i i got a ride uh and i met interesting

01:46:13.660 people and so forth and so forth but you know as i'm getting down there i'm getting pretty far to

01:46:18.960 to the the southern part of the sahara i think hey you know i think it was it agades there was

01:46:26.320 there was one city down there that i could get a little hop in the in a in a in an aircraft and i

01:46:33.820 thought hell's bells you know why don't i just try that you know i see the scenery for the plane and

01:46:38.720 all that kind of good stuff and so i take what's left of my meager uh uh stuff and you know pack up

01:46:46.880 my my tent and all of that good crap and uh you know this plane we're taking off and i'm sitting

01:46:52.600 there and I kind of enjoying it, looking down and looking down, you know, and it's all cool and

01:46:58.840 it beats the hell out of riding in a Jeep through the Sahara. And then it dawns on me,

01:47:07.480 I don't have a paperwork for the country I was going to be landing in.

01:47:14.440 I didn't have a visa. And I thought, they're going to shake me down. And they're going to find all sorts of other incriminating things. I think, oh, maybe this wasn't such a good idea. And so the plane is getting closer and closer to somewhere in Cotonou, I think. It's been a long time, decades, guys. And I'm thinking, what can I do? What can I do?

01:47:42.380 you know i'll just uh i'll just pretend to be crazy uh i'll uh i'll just be i'll just be a 0.90

01:47:48.940 total idiot you know i can't communicate i don't know you know uh and i know if they search me 0.94

01:47:56.620 they will find the south african visa that i have carefully concealed on me and this was a 0.99

01:48:04.380 particularly bad few years to be a white man from south africa in some of the more militant areas of 0.97

01:48:13.980 africa so i thought well i i just know i'll just pretend to be an idiot that's all i can do 0.93

01:48:19.820 this on the plane lands and i'm get we're getting off the plane nice nice straight file and up there

01:48:27.500 ways yeah there's there's a couple of guys AK over his shoulder looking at

01:48:34.260 everybody's paperwork next one and then I recall that actually a young English

01:48:45.540 guy had been pulled off an airplane and shot on the runway not too too long 0.94

01:48:51.140 before that and i'm thinking well here it is dirty doo-doo man uh the voodoo doo-doo and uh 0.87

01:49:00.740 the line's getting shorter he's meticulous he looks at everybody's freaking paper he couldn't 0.95

01:49:06.740 just be african african and you know forget about it oh yeah he was he was straight out of a movie

01:49:16.100 he was and he had his shades on and you know he was mr mr important guy and he's the lines get

01:49:22.740 shorter and shorter and shorter this is broad daylight he's this far literally less than

01:49:36.980 the length of the arm from me he looked through me he looked through me and took the papers from

01:49:49.060 the guy behind me he's not done that anywhere else and i figured i'm a you know i'm going to

01:49:58.820 get through this this kind of luck i'm going to get through this and i did he he didn't uh

01:50:05.300 he didn't question me he didn't see me he didn't make eye contact he didn't reach for me

01:50:09.940 nothing nothing it's just like i literally i wasn't there i wasn't there and with it luckily

01:50:17.620 it was just a few minutes over to the other uh to the other border and uh yeah here and i've got

01:50:24.900 you know my my u.s passport that that was particularly useful and uh i handed that to the

01:50:34.580 to the the obviously much more savvy guy and he's he's wearing his shades and he's wearing his

01:50:42.740 little put on hat and his his grin is just exactly like you might think and uh and i hand him my my

01:50:54.100 papers my and he said he gives me this grin like this big he says you do not have a visa for our

01:51:03.860 country and i just uh-huh i don't know what you're talking about yeah and he smiled and handed it

01:51:13.940 back to me and sent me over to the portal to go out he didn't even try to bribe me and in africa

01:51:24.500 that's outstanding but if he had wanted to i could have got shot on the spot i'm absolutely certain

01:51:32.180 i did not correct uh his image on my on my paperwork and i beat feet out of there as quick

01:51:38.340 as i could it was an interesting time but i love it yeah africa was still in many ways awesome

01:51:46.580 but i mean i rode i rode for to get up to certain other areas uh i yeah i rode right in the back of

01:51:53.700 a pickup with you know four other people and they're all and and actually you know the the

01:51:59.380 the average person was fine.

01:52:02.200 You know, they were curious, curious as hell.

01:52:05.060 You know, white man, what are you doing here, you know?

01:52:09.640 And I never felt threatened in the bush,

01:52:13.780 but the city's completely the opposite.

01:52:17.340 Anyway, I'm going on, but there, that's my thoughts.

01:52:22.480 Steve, you can go on as long as you want.

01:52:27.480 I we enjoy hearing your stories and yeah it's not just about getting to the meat of a question you

01:52:35.160 can share anything you'd like to I love that story I remember the first time I heard it I

01:52:41.280 think it's a popular one for me it should be it's a miracle that facilitated the foundation of the

01:52:51.600 past True Folk Assembly.

01:52:55.500 I was a powerful story.

01:52:58.020 I was on my way up to the Caprivi Strip area.

01:53:06.580 I had intentions, and the purpose of my trip

01:53:11.080 was to cross over into Angola,

01:53:15.360 I believe right around in there,

01:53:18.000 because there was Jonas Savimbi, rebel,

01:53:21.680 was fighting against the communists,

01:53:25.240 the Cuban troops there.

01:53:27.700 And I had arranged through SOF mag

01:53:30.580 to meet a particular guy in the post office

01:53:36.380 of Catima Mililo or something, some impredential place.

01:53:41.540 And I went to there, when I was,

01:53:44.160 You know, on the time I was expected, and the guy did not show, and there was no indication that he was, as I recall, the man's presence had been noticed, but he just booked back over the border.

01:54:07.780 so that's that's all i knew but in you know it was it was it was not dull it was not dull

01:54:14.440 and uh i don't know i think i wrote that piece up for sof mag i don't recall now it's been too

01:54:22.320 damn long you know if i if i died tomorrow i still would have packed it i'm pretty full

01:54:29.600 and i i have no regrets never well not that kind of regrets you know i didn't always make the right 0.97

01:54:36.280 but I'm glad I tried.

01:54:41.720 A lot of people find themselves your age

01:54:44.220 and never stop being an adorner of couches.

01:54:48.920 So, no, that's

01:54:52.020 awesome that you've got those stories to tell, especially the Africa ones.

01:54:57.440 It's always fascinating. That's Harry.

01:54:59.640 can just one more comment on africa i had been over in an adjacent

01:55:14.360 place i don't even know which which which little little country it was

01:55:19.640 uh but oh wait yeah no i was just in the extreme part of south africa up up kind of close and to

01:55:26.520 the west and there was a big shopping area and I had gone over to that area, not that I had any 1.00

01:55:42.040 money anyway, but now I was going to take what they call rudely a kaffir taxi to go from there 1.00

01:55:50.520 down to johannesburg uh and imagine this large a cross between a a i don't know just sort of 1.00

01:56:02.120 a large car or a small truck with packed full with africans going to johannesburg 1.00

01:56:12.680 now i get that far and you might think oh man it must have been horrible 1.00

01:56:16.360 but you know i found that they just the average person on the street was curious they want to

01:56:23.000 know what the hell is this white guy doing here and they were all in their their the women were

01:56:28.040 all in their best dresses and you know flouncy and and you know you know just like flowers you know 0.98

01:56:36.840 and everybody was absolutely clean absolutely squared away nobody did you know mean mugged me

01:56:46.200 in fact they were curious what what the hell are you doing here you know and i gotta say that was

01:56:51.640 one of the better better trips you know several several hours over to johannesburg so uh you know

01:56:59.160 just a good thing to keep in mind yeah

01:57:05.000 i mean i am mr white man all the way but you know i i gotta be i gotta see other people the way they

01:57:12.120 really are so and there are good people of all races man so there you go you heard it here folks

01:57:18.440 yeah let's have some people if you ruined my rep dude

01:57:25.720 people always expect you to do a racism so

01:57:31.080 i kind of a a joking couple of questions but they spark interesting ones

01:57:39.240 steve can you lift more than me and can you drink more than me well oh you you want an answer on that

01:57:51.720 it just because of science i don't expect an answer

01:57:57.720 i don't expect a 44 to 77 comparison that's not fair but more you you're welcome to answer if

01:58:07.640 you're going to claim that you can possibly i'll i'll fight you on the first but

01:58:17.400 either way i'd like to hear your theories on it and it sparks a couple of other questions

01:58:22.840 so answer but also what what would you say was your favorite lift or exercise or i guess not

01:58:29.880 favorite but the one you excelled at most in your life well you know uh uh i've never tried for a

01:58:36.760 maximum lift i i get just sort of a i try to hit the gym three times a week uh a couple of hours

01:58:45.000 per uh i got you know i i i'm i'm not getting i'm not really trying to get necessarily a large

01:58:52.280 amount of bulk what i do is i go through i go through you know full body workout and then for

01:58:59.480 For my personal finale,

01:59:03.740 I go over to one of the unoccupied benches,

01:59:09.200 prop up my feet and do max pushups.

01:59:14.840 And I'm running at about 40 some pushups doing that,

01:59:20.820 which I think is not bad for 77.

01:59:23.200 But you know, I'll never have been

01:59:26.280 and never will be big like you.

01:59:29.480 right yeah so it was like one of the best compliments i forget what it was i did a

01:59:36.360 bloat a couple of months ago that you were so fired up by that you decided to drop down and

01:59:41.800 do some incline pushing yeah i don't i don't i don't remember why i did that exactly it must

01:59:47.960 have been something you had said it's something physical or i don't remember exactly but it was

01:59:54.920 amazing but yeah no it was it was it was it was an outstanding bloat uh i would say yeah well done

02:00:04.920 and it was it was it was outstanding all right so when it comes to the drink you're an irishman

02:00:14.280 and stereotypes exist for a reason what is what is currently or has been consistently

02:00:22.280 your favorite

02:00:23.800 spirit

02:00:25.320 would you say

02:00:32.220 Jameson

02:00:33.180 Jameson is excellent

02:00:35.220 Jim Beam's good

02:00:36.380 yeah I don't know

02:00:41.620 just good bourbon in particular

02:00:43.900 never had a strong

02:00:46.080 liking to

02:00:48.380 other liquors particularly

02:00:50.440 but

02:00:51.620 uh yeah and i i don't i don't just chuggle it down uh i've you know i'm a long ways from my

02:00:58.420 my teen days or even right when when you were going hard would you say you had a high tolerance

02:01:06.580 or were you cheap date

02:01:13.460 i nipani i don't know what you said oh i said did you have a high alcohol tolerance did it take a

02:01:20.660 oh oh oh oh um when i was back doing that stuff yeah i i would not get back and

02:01:31.700 tolerance wise i would say average to learn how much food i had in my stomach you know 0.93

02:01:38.660 my wife and i are polar opposites she she got she got more her eyes were bigger than her 0.99

02:01:48.900 i guess blood volume when we're out to a uh anniversary dinner a few years ago and she 1.00

02:01:56.340 made the mistake of having two cocktails i had to literally carry her to the parking lot

02:02:04.820 my problem was always the other end it takes me a long time to get there

02:02:10.100 but alcohol takes a certain amount of time to get in your system so i would try to go so hard to

02:02:17.140 keep up with where everybody else was at because they're you know getting a lot of effect from a

02:02:21.620 little that by the time i was getting to where everybody else was i still had quite a bit of

02:02:28.900 alcohol that was left to catch up to to my bloodstream so i would overshoot quite a bit in my

02:02:36.420 younger days or it so so you weren't going for speed you were going for volume well i was trying

02:02:45.860 to keep up with everybody else i remember i was working when i was working a bar in florida

02:02:50.660 we had a hurricane party so as long as we batten down the hatches at the bar because

02:02:55.460 it was going to be this huge flood water that was going to close it down we could take home

02:02:59.940 some alcohol and have a party at somebody's house so we hunkered down for this hurricane coming

02:03:04.340 through yeah but they got they got fireball for them and diesel for me and i think it's regional

02:03:13.940 but diesel's equivalent to like bacardi 151 or everclear it's one of the like 151 proof grain

02:03:22.100 liquor things and they're drinking this you know they're they're drinking this college girl cinnamon

02:03:31.540 whiskey that's delicious i'm not faulting it but we're going shot for shot and i'm pretty sure

02:03:38.900 Mine's like four times as high octane as theirs.

02:03:43.220 So they got what they paid for.

02:03:48.500 So, yeah, I'd overshoot a little bit.

02:03:53.260 They got mad at me, but I promise it was in support.

02:03:57.700 So there was this Cuban bartender there.

02:04:02.120 And there was this lake out in back of the dude's house during this hurricane.

02:04:06.320 Now, there's gators in this lake.

02:04:08.740 But a white guy and this Cuban guy were swimming.

02:04:13.760 The challenge was them swim across. 0.88

02:04:16.460 When I say lake, I mean like big pond, I guess.

02:04:20.920 They're swimming across it to the far end and then seeing who could get back first.

02:04:26.440 And I was exuberant about rooting for the home team and not for the Cubano.

02:04:34.260 and but then i was very excited when he won and congratulatory and i mentioned that he

02:04:40.980 probably had practice yeah i'm sure he would uh yeah yeah and uh i was told to keep it down

02:04:48.180 because the dude had neighbors and uh yeah so that's that that's my thing um

02:04:56.500 can i uh yeah you can and then we've got a couple of a couple of other questions

02:05:00.580 of the stack that what you got okay i'll keep this short but it's it's your birthday

02:05:08.100 oh well nah but i'll try to be considerate we were talking earlier about the cuban situation

02:05:13.940 um and uh when i was stationed in germany uh it was a huge support place and so you had a

02:05:21.540 huge officers club and you know a lot of people a lot of i mean a lot of ease and a

02:05:29.220 A couple of friends and I were sitting over there one night, and we were having a drink or two, and because there was a huge support facility on the base, they had things like the Red Cross flew in and out of there and so forth.

02:05:49.900 So we were sitting over in the old club and we, yeah, we weren't drunk, but in walks this guy, a civilian, one of the, as it turns out, he was one of the pilots flying for the Red Cross.

02:06:04.980 Tall, skinny guy and one of my buddies punches me in the ribs and says, you know about that guy?

02:06:12.740 I said, no, tell me what about him.

02:06:14.460 Well, he said, at the Bay of Pigs, he flew a B-26, and it was looking back, and the background 0.95

02:06:29.780 on that is that when the anti-communist forces were getting their asses kicked at the Playa 0.66

02:06:35.160 hit on in playa larga uh the uh the the cia people who were training them of which this guy was one 0.71

02:06:47.000 said here we got it and those men got into b-26s to go in and strafe the communists

02:06:55.320 uh just on their own just on their own they flew those planes in they were not in fact they were

02:06:59.880 ordered not to but they said nah well we we got guys on the ground that are getting pounded we're

02:07:05.400 not going to trust them to go for that and i i gotta say if if somebody wanted me to name 0.96

02:07:15.400 a person who that made such a impact on me in in moments yeah guys with uh yeah cojones cojones

02:07:29.880 um and i i never talked to the guy about it but i thought man he risked his life 0.69

02:07:36.360 to try and save the the guys that he had trained and and worked with so here's to the guys who got

02:07:45.400 it anyway that was just a little that was a little memory that just popped out and i thought that

02:07:54.440 it kind of tied in a little bit with some of the things no well thank you thank you for it

02:07:58.600 um question about food and culinary imperialism steve sir do you have a favorite dish from your

02:08:08.680 travels abroad i guess sea rats don't count or mres as they are now you like jager schnitzel

02:08:27.400 So, yeah, it's one of my favorite imbribables.

02:08:33.060 Yeah, it looks good.

02:08:37.080 All right.

02:08:39.860 That's for the next question.

02:08:41.520 Now we want the spicy stuff.

02:08:46.500 Jäger schnitzel is a foreign dish.

02:08:49.240 But it's still a folk dish.

02:08:51.560 I was made in the stuff. 1.00

02:08:53.640 make from your travels with the uh gentlemen who are darker of you 0.96

02:08:59.960 the stuff with the funny sauces and this funny pepper

02:09:03.960 he wants to know if you ate any indigenous african cuisine

02:09:09.080 what did you eat you ate oh in spain you ate all the stuff

02:09:13.000 talk about what you ate in spain remind me you ate fish didn't you eat fish and cheap wine or

02:09:19.320 something probably but but yeah i don't know yeah let me think let me think about the african situation

02:09:27.560 um yeah i ate i ate i ate i don't remember very much of what it was it wasn't

02:09:37.320 it wasn't spectacular but you know i i ate tribal stuff for a time or two have you ever eaten

02:09:43.320 ethiopian food don't think so never got there so i i've never been there either but i was in

02:09:52.520 california me and mandy like to try different food so we went to an ethiopian restaurant

02:10:00.440 i'm glad that i tried it but i would not recommend yeah ethiopian people if you're watching victory

02:10:07.960 never sleeps i i appreciate your what your uh viewership uh i would be surprised if we had an

02:10:15.640 ethiopian audience either in ethiopia or ethiopian dysphoria um how come you guys don't know how to

02:10:24.280 make a decent pancake every culture around the world has got some kind of flat bread thing and

02:10:32.440 so much of your ethiopian cuisine is to be eaten by the i don't know whatever the big

02:10:37.960 pancake thing is that is served with it because you guys don't use silverware 0.91

02:10:44.440 non is delicious crepes are delicious pancakes are delicious i don't know hoe cakes like there's

02:10:52.840 any number of flat simple breads but your guys bread that's such a huge part of your dish is not 0.88

02:10:59.880 good and that made me sad yeah the the gravy and the like whatever random

02:11:09.880 stuff you put on it was all right but the bread was was really not good and i was very disappointed 0.95

02:11:15.320 so uh shame on you Ethiopia yeah i've got another question coming through less culinary in nature

02:11:24.200 my wife is of celtic origin i myself am mostly germanic slash anglo anglo-saxon

02:11:31.900 but also have strong celtic ancestry i have interest in the afa and discovering more about

02:11:38.360 my ancestors but i wonder what your opinion your opinions are of honoring the celtic pantheon

02:11:45.880 alongside the isere steve do you have thoughts on that in specific well it's funny you should

02:11:53.000 mention that i've been thinking about it you know a number of days ago uh and uh when all of the the

02:12:00.280 news is really heavy with uh you know the the the irish getting pissed off at the way they're being

02:12:05.960 treated by the africans and the people of various uh various type who have are overrunning the 0.98

02:12:14.600 country uh and so forth so i was following that really closely and i'm quite proud of proud of my 0.93

02:12:21.400 irish heritage uh um we make we do a pretty good fight um and i'm sorry put me back on track what

02:12:31.560 was the rest of it so what are your thoughts about worshiping oh the worshiping pantheon

02:12:37.640 alongside the ice here i i can't talk about being in ireland that's when you did it just to say

02:12:48.760 when you were in ireland that's when you honor the irish the kelts but not here yeah yeah okay

02:12:56.760 yeah uh sheila reminds me that i yeah i don't honor the irish deities here in the u.s but

02:13:07.080 in in ireland you know i did i'd pour glasses to the irish deities that's my mother's side of the

02:13:14.520 family there um i i i think you have to go one way or the other and except for special circumstances

02:13:27.480 but on the other hand i and i've been thinking about this a lot for the past week or so

02:13:33.240 um there's still you know arian yeah we you know we are germanic arian they are

02:13:41.080 or Kelto, whatever, whatever.

02:13:43.840 And so I respect that.

02:13:47.100 I respect that very strong.

02:13:49.340 I like, and for example, New Grange,

02:13:53.560 which people might, if you recall this,

02:13:56.940 it's that huge burial arrangement in Ireland

02:14:03.540 where once a year for 20 minutes,

02:14:09.540 That's a solstice. 0.99

02:14:12.260 A light shines down, this tiny ass 0.99

02:14:18.940 chamber, into a chamber. 0.99

02:14:23.440 I'm quite impressed by that.

02:14:25.300 And I see that as a womb.

02:14:28.180 You know, it is a womb.

02:14:30.220 There's even a sort of a hymen,

02:14:31.720 if you want to consider the stone

02:14:35.860 that sits in front of the entrance there. 0.93

02:14:38.540 and it's it's hard for me as as a white man generically to say damn that's that's that's

02:14:47.100 important and that's good and yeah it's it's it hits so many things in me so i'm very sympathetic

02:14:54.780 to to to the celtic religion and their their deities who are quite like us in many ways

02:15:02.940 i consider them as brother arians but my religious choices is with the the ice here

02:15:11.260 does that make any sense yes no it it it certainly does um

02:15:20.300 so i i've got something to respond on that too i just we've had a little bit of technical

02:15:25.900 difficulties on the back end and i'm trying to track something and i'm waiting until something

02:15:32.460 loads. So yeah, I'll answer the question first.

02:15:39.780 So I realize that the

02:15:42.500 answer is more complicated than this, but I do think this gets to

02:15:46.520 the meat of it. They're the same deities

02:15:50.300 with different names. I understand that it doesn't

02:15:54.200 translate perfectly, but trace it back with me

02:15:58.580 logically our gods have existed since the dawn of our faith

02:16:08.580 and i i guess since the dawn of our people

02:16:13.940 we know that the same group of people as arian people

02:16:21.940 moved from wherever our origin point might be but we found which you know

02:16:28.500 I like to think is Hyperborea, but we found ourselves in the Caucasus at one point.

02:16:35.060 We branched out and we found ourselves in different valleys and our language developed and our culture developed similarly, but differently in different places over different times.

02:16:48.560 our gods exist and were with us when we were born as a race they have been with us ever since

02:17:01.620 we don't just get new gods when we occupy a new vow a new valley or a new you know plane

02:17:12.940 and we decide to found a new city or deviate our language or drop a diphthong or whatever else.

02:17:23.980 These are our gods.

02:17:26.400 They're the gods of the Aryan people since the beginning.

02:17:30.440 Yes, we choose to worship them under the Norse nomenclature

02:17:35.240 because that's the best source that's come to us

02:17:38.360 and because those are the terms that the All-Father gave the man I am speaking to on this program tonight

02:17:45.140 when he founded our faith in modern times.

02:17:49.280 But fundamentally, all of the names of the gods of the Arian people

02:17:54.920 are describing the same entities under different understandings,

02:18:00.360 with a slightly different relationship, with different stories that are relevant to different people.

02:18:05.500 But these are the gods of our folks since the birth of our people.

02:18:09.380 So I don't think there's a conflict.

02:18:11.440 I think it's much more about a cultural lens that you are choosing to worship the gods through.

02:18:18.140 So, no, it's not the end of the world if you want to, you know, double up on how you do it by a couple of different pantheons.

02:18:26.680 I don't think that hurts anyone.

02:18:28.780 but i do think we are most unified when we worship the gods as the iser in the

02:18:35.420 norse nomenclature together as a faith community but i think if you're in a particular place

02:18:42.780 and you want to use the the relevant you know expression of those deities for that

02:18:50.540 place in that culture i don't find that inappropriate so i don't think there's a

02:18:55.980 conflict there i think it's funny people perceive that a lot but

02:19:02.540 yeah i i don't have a problem it's not the mckinnellans of county tyrone

02:19:10.700 yeah and a lot of bad boys it's not it's not a it's not a norwegian name it's not an icelandic

02:19:17.260 name it's an irish name so it's it's worth realizing that a lot of people have hang-ups

02:19:25.180 but i don't i think they're creating a mental unease or a an ennui that's not really there

02:19:34.540 it's not really relevant when you get down to the brass tacks of it and i don't need that to

02:19:41.020 diminish it i know that it's relevant to people who ask the question i'm just saying when you

02:19:44.860 find yourself on the other side of the question i think you might see that there was no conflict

02:19:50.700 at all even when you perceived there was yeah that's why brother wars are so horrible certainly

02:19:58.540 in the context of the world we live in today we've got much bigger much bigger things yeah i mean i

02:20:05.420 had uh i i had i don't know at least one uh by name a relative who was killed killed in action

02:20:16.940 and as a member of the ira and the whole family is is ira and and i i i respect their bravery and 0.95

02:20:26.860 their love for their country but it is horrible but we have to shoot fellow white men to get 0.60

02:20:36.060 to get some sort of a resolution about anything there needs to be a better way you know it's 0.99

02:20:41.660 It's no more brother wars.

02:20:47.760 Matt and Steve, two questions.

02:20:51.440 When it comes to opposing religions,

02:20:53.640 which religion has shown the most aggression towards the AFA?

02:20:59.060 Steve, what would you say?

02:21:01.980 What do you think, Sheila?

02:21:05.720 What is Antifa?

02:21:06.900 What is Antifa?

02:21:08.440 answer i was going to say wokeism yeah yeah they are by far the worst yeah so they are and we all

02:21:19.120 agree on that and they treat it well they are more zealous about that than any other zealot

02:21:24.780 of any other faith but as far as like a theistic faith what would you say steve

02:21:31.140 yeah i don't know i don't know i they can all

02:21:42.740 they all of them can be pretty damn harsh on it

02:21:47.400 um i mean i don't know i don't know them well enough to to to say

02:21:55.820 all right so

02:21:59.020 i am deeply ashamed to say this

02:22:06.020 one of our core values is truth so i am obliged to say this 1.00

02:22:13.360 the religion that has shown the most aggression towards the afa 0.98

02:22:19.800 is also true slash heathenry slash odinism that's true our own people who choose not to stand with 0.98

02:22:34.760 us are the most vile and hate-filled in their attacks towards us

02:22:41.480 this is why we can't have nice things or i'd say this is why we can't have more nice things

02:22:48.940 Our people are afflicted with the curse of being so fractious and so small-minded in the need to have constant and vehement infighting.

02:23:05.500 We would rather fight about the 3% of things we disagree on than the 97% of things that we have in common.

02:23:18.940 And it's a big thing that holds our folk back, but it's, I mean,

02:23:25.200 there's an optimism in realizing that, that we,

02:23:27.780 if we would just get out of our own way,

02:23:30.840 it would remove almost all of the blocks that hold us back.

02:23:36.040 But that's, I am ashamed to say it, but that is the honest answer.

02:23:48.940 secondly steve what's the best birthday gift you've ever gotten

02:23:55.120 oh my god uh well it's hard to say which one for all sorts of reasons um but what i remember

02:24:09.080 most when i think of birthday uh when i was when i was oh god

02:24:14.800 four five six i you know way young i was way hooked on chivalry on on on knighthood

02:24:27.280 uh knights that was it i i coerced my mother i think it was my mother rather than my sister

02:24:33.700 to take me to see prince valiant at the at the at the theater and that would have been way

02:24:39.100 the way back there in 50s 1950s early 50s uh um yeah and and you know nice and shiny armor

02:24:50.220 and all that kind of stuff uh so so i remember getting to go to movies like that and i coerced

02:25:01.180 my mother into making my my cake in the form of a castle with a little little caramels you know

02:25:09.980 the cubes uh for for for the for the battlements and such and you know towers and all that kind of

02:25:18.860 stuff and probably graham crackers for drawbridge i don't know but that's what i think she would

02:25:24.540 i've done uh my mother was my mother was awesome that's really cool

02:25:40.620 and oh well but i don't i don't connect that with a birthday as much no no no no i'm talking

02:25:47.340 the general topics oh just things you've done general topics yes yes the whole kennewick man

02:25:54.460 thing that was a lot of people don't know that yeah yeah that was that was a major thing

02:26:06.780 all right so what is the afa's position on soft versus hard polytheism

02:26:15.580 i lean more on the union archetype interpretation but i'm very new to this whole thing

02:26:22.220 and call and the call of the gods feels real to me

02:26:29.100 what of that would you like to address steve well it's it's interesting because i was i was kind of

02:26:36.460 running stuff like that through my head just a few days ago um and i i described earlier

02:26:44.620 how i made my decision to go to africa to do whatever the hell it was and uh

02:26:51.500 and it dawns on me that what if i mean what if in the older days the gods related to us

02:27:02.460 and almost almost our entire actually physical form but i wonder what if maybe in our age

02:27:09.780 What if they manifest as Jungian archetypes?

02:27:14.520 I do believe, absolutely, I believe that they are conscious beings.

02:27:19.960 This, because it works with me so long and has worked as a truth to me for a long, long time.

02:27:27.920 But I got to thinking about that incredibly.

02:27:30.100 It was one in 1,300,000-something that I would get that two times in a row to, yes, go to Africa.

02:27:45.440 And I have to think that there's consciousness behind that.

02:27:50.160 I could be wrong.

02:27:53.160 I mean, this is just my question.

02:27:54.440 You know, is the universe work mechanistically that produces that?

02:28:00.100 Well, I don't know, but it just seems more likely to me that there is consciousness behind that.

02:28:06.560 And I think that maybe this is just pulling this out of my head.

02:28:13.720 Maybe this is the way the Holy Power is manifest to us today as with Jungian emphasis.

02:28:24.400 Maybe that's their mask for this part of our journey.

02:28:28.680 I don't know. I don't know any of that for sure. But I was thinking about that. But I do believe the gods are real. Even putting huge statistics aside, I believe they've pulled my butt out of some real fires.

02:28:49.160 i think matt ran off so you got you got the floor sir keep going

02:28:59.400 oh yes brothers and sisters okay yeah um

02:29:04.420 what's what's what's a good anecdote

02:29:17.780 episode. What have I forgotten this evening? There I was, as all good stories start.

02:29:29.780 Do you want to talk about the difference between it was like when we went out to Wisconsin

02:29:37.780 with the old thing compared to the way we do things now? You know, also true in the

02:29:44.500 so brothers and all that we absolutely do exactly what steal what sheila is suggesting

02:29:51.300 and thank you for covering for a second i had to tuck my daughter in um what i wanted to say

02:29:58.420 to the archetype thing and i listened to um a lot of what you said on it to the personal answers

02:30:06.420 is the silver cell you said um our gods are real our gods are real and they don't require

02:30:21.680 the mental gymnastics they're real as gods but if your start if the way that you can

02:30:30.940 transition from having no faith is in i don't know first exploring them as archetypes i think that

02:30:42.860 moves you closer to where you need to be and i think you know you mentioned in your question

02:30:50.860 that when you call to the gods or that the call of the gods feels real to you

02:30:55.660 Follow that. Don't burden that with expectation or with trying to force them into whatever preconceived slots you may have for them.

02:31:14.080 I would encourage you very strongly to open your heart and open your mind and follow that call of the gods.

02:31:25.660 And let that develop how it develops.

02:31:31.260 We hinder ourselves a lot when you have huge expectations or you try to compartmentalize the gods.

02:31:43.920 The gods are too vast and too powerful to fit any compartment you make for them.

02:31:51.640 So I would very much encourage you to allow that to develop naturally and open your heart and open your mind and see what happens.

02:32:01.560 I think you will find they are much more than archetypes.

02:32:05.480 I think that the directionality of the archetype model is the problem.

02:32:13.280 Um, yes, these God forms are a big part of our, you know, racial subconscious, but that's because they are the gods of our folk, not the other way around.

02:32:30.000 yeah um but yeah let just be open and let that develop and i'm glad that you've heard their call

02:32:37.940 and don't burden yourself with preconception just let that happen let that take shape

02:32:45.380 and see where it takes you well it's taken me places and uh uh the word i get and

02:32:53.100 And it is that when Carl Jung went down to visit the...

02:32:59.100 Serrano?

02:33:00.100 Say again?

02:33:01.100 Serrano?

02:33:02.100 Serrano.

02:33:03.100 Miguel Serrano.

02:33:07.100 Serrano says that Carl Jung had decided that they were actual.

02:33:16.100 They were actual beings, not just archetypes in the collective unconscious.

02:33:22.100 So I think he came around to it.

02:33:29.040 His progression certainly went from academic and scientific

02:33:35.680 to much more mystical as he allowed that to take shape

02:33:42.380 and as he took heed of what.

02:33:45.180 That's the thing.

02:33:45.860 I think he was honest to the things that he noticed.

02:33:49.460 and there's a pretty significant academic bias towards religiosity so I think that was a big

02:33:57.680 leap but you can track the development of that in his works I don't claim to be an expert his

02:34:02.840 he is a he is a tough man to read his works they are voluminous and very very difficult

02:34:09.700 I've read stuff but reading the collected works of of Carl Jung is still a little bit beyond my

02:34:19.040 grasp it would have been a kick to have met him can you imagine wow you know who i would have loved

02:34:25.120 to meet serrano i believe there's something there the stuff seems absolutely bonkers 0.85

02:34:38.000 but okay so if you read his stuff he sounds like he is absolutely insane

02:34:43.680 but he's writing these things as he's a high functioning diplomat an aristocrat and a like

02:34:52.880 very high functioning person so i've got to think that it's not him it's me and i just don't get

02:34:59.360 some of it but i think that meeting miguel serrano would have been an amazing

02:35:05.360 shoot having having having a meal with both of those men that would have been amazing i would

02:35:12.640 have loved to do that um yeah so steve wherever sheila was trying to take you before i rudely

02:35:19.280 interrupted i was talking about how's it true in the 1990s the dress up the tunics the spears the

02:35:28.640 shields right right but we went out to wisconsin and everything was so inviting you know and it

02:35:35.280 stayed that way yeah yeah well i i think i probably you heard at least a portion of that

02:35:42.400 uh it was it was the dress up thing uh and uh we we'd gone out to uh an event in wisconsin that was

02:35:51.440 very heavily uh basically where most of us were 20 some years ago or whatever and i i think 30 30

02:36:00.240 she corrects me we're that old oh hell uh i i think that it's a it's a phase that that is

02:36:10.800 is really kind of natural you know it's um people are going with the emotions uh they they need the

02:36:17.600 the the concept the the background of the culture and and uh getting a hint on the values i think

02:36:25.280 that it's probably pretty natural to for the person who doesn't run into say something like

02:36:31.680 the afa um they're gonna they're gonna run into that quite likely and so it all comes

02:36:38.960 out to the same place if they people in question have the right attitude the right interests the

02:36:45.120 the right uh values and so forth uh eventually you can go from shields and spears to you know

02:36:54.100 automobiles and planes and spaceships or whatever

02:36:57.820 excellent so i was the thing i was hemming and hawing about um we did get a couple of donations

02:37:09.140 earlier we just weren't able to track it because our store interface was being a little bit tricky

02:37:14.620 G.W. Farnsworth always is there with his generosity, and we appreciate you so much,

02:37:22.380 donating $25 to Victory Never Sleeps and $50 to our current Folk Services effort to help a family

02:37:31.900 keep their custody and keep their family together.

02:37:36.720 Also, Gilbert donated $150 towards the Thorshof Beautification Fund.

02:37:43.720 uh thank you gentlemen we appreciate you very much and i'm sorry it took us so long to acknowledge

02:37:48.200 you tonight technical difficulties uh got in the way just a bit next one does steve enjoy eating

02:37:56.120 asian food you know i if it's served to me i'll eat it but i don't consider myself a fan of asian

02:38:06.040 food particularly well you can't eat it now because it's so salty oh yeah sheila corrects me

02:38:12.280 well she has to correct me she just points out that that i'm now on a low diet of low so low salt

02:38:19.800 diet oh this old man is not your friend right now for sure all right um next up would steve agree

02:38:35.680 So, all right.

02:38:39.420 And I'm going to ask, because we ask questions that are in here, do with this question what you will, Steve.

02:38:46.600 Would Steve agree that the U.S. military is anti-white, considering it forced racial integration by gun to white children and sent whites to die in useless wars, etc., and are soldiers of the Jewish government?

02:39:04.840 Do what you want with that question, Steve.

02:39:09.520 There are forces affecting the armed forces that have political orientation or political causes, obviously.

02:39:25.940 uh it's probably you wouldn't find the average soldier

02:39:32.660 i would certainly not enlisted rank probably not most of your officers what would see through

02:39:40.900 the the of just doing doing something to be political i don't think it improves the the forces

02:39:48.500 I mean, it depends on how you do all that good stuff. But I think that at some levels,

02:40:04.420 lead leadership, they just crater over probably for their years to come,

02:40:15.220 you know brawler the rest of their pitch their careers um

02:40:25.140 i don't yeah there's there's that there's that force there but there are there are other ways

02:40:31.300 as well you know there's other other other ways of looking at it but it's it's it's there

02:40:38.660 yeah all the equal opportunity stuff and so forth yeah i don't know it's a lot a lot a lot of us

02:40:47.140 just ignored it i mean if you really you know if you had a black guy in your outfit and he was a

02:40:53.300 he was it turned out he was a good guy then you know you knew better uh but it's i don't know it

02:40:59.700 was just it's complex i didn't do a very good job of that you're fine that's all you that's

02:41:05.060 It's your birthday.

02:41:06.100 You do what you want.

02:41:08.240 Olivia wants to know, Matt and Steve, what has been your favorite birthday cake ever, and who made it?

02:41:14.480 You answered earlier, so you can either double down or you can choose an additional one.

02:41:19.280 What do you want, Steve?

02:41:20.140 You can do whatever you want.

02:41:23.020 Well, the one that stood out, I couldn't tell you about any of my other ones,

02:41:31.100 with the exception of the castle and the knights and stuff.

02:41:37.140 But that said, I don't think I've ever come across a cake of any kind that I didn't like.

02:41:47.560 That's fair.

02:41:49.160 Yeah, I'm not particular.

02:41:51.480 As long as it doesn't taste like MREs.

02:41:53.580 All right.

02:41:54.560 So two things.

02:41:58.160 i really like a mint chocolate chip ice cream cake

02:42:03.440 it's been a while since i had one because i'm grown and i can just go to the store and

02:42:12.160 get a half gallon of mint chocolate chip ice cream and knock it out um but i would say that's

02:42:18.080 made by the good people at baskin robbins when i had one last when i was when i was younger

02:42:23.000 um other one was i had a leonardo ninja turtle

02:42:31.780 cookie cake it was a giant cookie but decorated with frosting like a cake and that was really

02:42:42.420 cool and that was you know that was back in the height of the ninja turtle era it was in like the

02:42:48.500 I believe in the late 80s at some point.

02:42:51.320 It was delicious.

02:42:53.420 I enjoyed it.

02:42:55.260 Saw a picture a while back of it.

02:42:57.980 Anyways, that was made by the good folks at Cars Quality Centers,

02:43:03.260 which was a local grocery chain that made such things.

02:43:08.380 It was a really cool cake.

02:43:09.820 It was like a big chocolate chip cookie.

02:43:12.500 And the Ninja Turtles were pretty awesome at the time.

02:43:18.500 So next up, Steve and Matt, what are you a dog person or a cat person?

02:43:27.100 Steve.

02:43:28.900 Well, I thought I was just a dog person for a number of years.

02:43:34.680 And I still like dogs.

02:43:37.300 But right now I am occupied, I mean, as in possessed by cats.

02:43:48.500 And we moved into this house, and there was two cats living just wildly in between this house and the house up the hill, 100 yards or so.

02:44:04.120 And I've known some cats that were just totally awesome.

02:44:10.600 So I go either way, I guess.

02:44:14.560 I like dogs.

02:44:16.440 I like dogs, but cats don't, so you know that's pretty much the way we stock the place I guess.

02:44:34.440 But I've had some wonderful cats.

02:44:40.440 It makes me really hope that animals have souls.

02:44:46.920 Yeah, I love animals.

02:44:49.420 I mean, if I've got to go dog person or cat person, dog person.

02:44:54.560 But I appreciate any animal that, you know, comes up and wants my attention.

02:45:02.020 I really like animals.

02:45:05.240 We recently got a dog.

02:45:07.720 He has made his debut on this program a few months ago.

02:45:13.480 I don't know where he is right now.

02:45:14.740 I'm kind of surprised he hasn't been up here.

02:45:18.500 But see, I like cats, but cats don't necessarily like me.

02:45:25.800 Dogs like me a lot.

02:45:27.860 It's nice to have an animal that genuinely appreciates my existence.

02:45:32.660 they're much more enthusiastic about their appreciation of my existence

02:45:38.380 and i uh i'll i'll say that i'm a dog person but i i like animals i do i like cats anything

02:45:47.480 that's going to come up and and snuggle me i tend to i tend to be be a fan of

02:45:53.100 yeah

02:45:56.380 yeah i i don't know it's you know i i like them all what i hate is animal cruelty

02:46:06.860 bad things need to happen to people that's one of the things i can't deal with if i if somebody's

02:46:15.260 posting videos of animal cruelty and usually they're posting them to raise awareness or

02:46:20.960 whatever but and i get that but that kind of stuff will haunt me for forever i can't i can't tolerate

02:46:29.840 that at all um yeah i don't mean nothing yeah i don't i don't at all i don't get that um

02:46:40.960 um and I think that speaks a lot I think how people treat animals says a lot about them

02:46:54.700 um I will say that I sometimes to my detriment am excited about fuzzy animals that will come

02:47:03.100 and try to give me a snuggle I one time in at a midsummer in Alta California

02:47:10.960 these two these bear cubs came up to me and this bear cub came up to my hand and like

02:47:23.680 put its bear nose against my hand oh and i was just in trance because there's this

02:47:31.900 that's crazy okay cool this bear cub that's awesome and it starts climbing this tree next

02:47:37.900 to me and it took me way too long for the thought to occur to me like oh wow where's mom and so

02:47:46.780 I was very cautious to retrace my steps out of where I was and I never saw mom but I think I was

02:47:55.500 pretty close to having a really really bad day um but it was really cool and I'm I'm glad it happened

02:48:03.020 A random thing, just because I don't know if I told you when I was up at the Hoff last time.

02:48:07.840 Aubrey and I drove up there, and we saw the biggest black bear crossing the road.

02:48:15.080 And in that stretch on 20 through the woods where all the people are mountain biking and stuff,

02:48:26.280 this giant, like a big black bear, and just what you wanted, not like the off-color ones,

02:48:32.260 like your stereotypical outside of black bear diner looking black bear across

02:48:37.260 the road, but he stopped in the middle of the road to look at traffic.

02:48:41.480 So we had to slow way down and we got a really good look at him and he walked

02:48:46.520 off in the woods and look back at us. So it was, it was cool.

02:48:49.620 I don't usually get to see them. So.

02:48:52.220 So he went home and said, I saw the humans today.

02:48:57.560 Possibly. Possibly.

02:48:59.040 okay um next all right since we don't find very much philosophy in the Norse tradition

02:49:12.000 what is your opinion on Greek philosophy and is it compatible with Alcetru and do you think

02:49:18.960 there is value in looking into Western philosophy Western philosophy rather than

02:49:24.240 philosophy to fulfill a philosophical need Steve what say you well I feel I do

02:49:35.040 not need to refer generally speaking to to the Orient I'm not saying that

02:49:42.120 they're don't don't get some things right yeah I don't hear quotes here and

02:49:46.740 there that yeah okay I get all of that and I don't know the Greek material too

02:49:52.980 well. But I think that it is closer to us, for example, than the oriental material.

02:50:03.700 Of course, ideally for me is the Germanic, Nordic way of looking at things.

02:50:13.300 Everybody gets something right. You know, just about any culture and they're going to get some

02:50:19.940 some of the items right but what i'm looking for is that thing that is mine it's mine and it's what

02:50:31.220 my people decided the way that my people saw the universe and and relations with with with other

02:50:38.260 humans um i i think i i'm no philosopher but it seems to me that generally speaking the european

02:50:46.340 peoples have stuff at least where they can communicate back and forth in regards to their

02:50:51.460 mores and their their values and so forth some people i'm sure in borneo or wherever else not

02:51:00.900 trying to pick on whoever lives in borneo a lot of their things would be horrible horrible to us

02:51:09.540 uh so i i think for me at least philosophy starts starts at home and works its way out

02:51:18.020 in concentric circles i've never actually thought of that until now so thanks for thanks for the

02:51:25.060 nudge

02:51:29.380 so

02:51:29.620 So I, words matter.

02:51:47.120 There is a lot of philosophy in the Norse material.

02:51:59.620 It depends on what you mean by philosophy.

02:52:03.540 The very specialized school of what most people would think are philosophers and philosophy.

02:52:18.520 I don't see a philosophical need. 0.97

02:52:22.500 I think that some other people might, but it seems very masturbatory to me.

02:52:29.620 and not that i don't appreciate some works of some philosophers but i appreciate it a lot more

02:52:41.060 in practice than in theory and i think that it very often over complicates and confuses very

02:52:50.980 simple things so i'm not the greatest fan of that i think the philosopher the greek philosophers

02:53:01.760 tended to take a step away from religion and when they mentioned the gods they debased them

02:53:10.660 and kind of made them silly or de-godified them in their philosophy and they think that's

02:53:20.300 unfortunate. I don't, again, I know a lot of our people really enjoy reading philosophers and I

02:53:30.160 don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it, but I think that often the important

02:53:37.920 things in our interaction with each other, with statecraft, with the gods, with our interactions

02:53:46.780 with you know friend or foe alike i think philosophy very often is i don't know like i

02:53:58.560 said i think it's meandering and it's the best philosophers in my experience are people who are

02:54:04.000 men of action and doing and can express some maxims involved in doing that as opposed to

02:54:11.860 just contemplative philosophy that I, like I said, I don't place a great deal of value in.

02:54:18.260 But I understand some people do, and I can't paint with that broad of a brush, but it's never

02:54:23.780 something that I find to be particularly useful. I say that. Everyone who, every person whose

02:54:32.280 opinion matters to me, or who I read their writings and get a lot from, they're all philosophers in

02:54:39.920 their own right in some way but the formalized school of philosophy and the you know philosophy

02:54:46.400 with a capital p i guess is what i'm referring to and last question we have queued up for tonight

02:54:57.680 how do you prove the gods to be real when challenged steve how do you prove the gods

02:55:05.840 are real when you are challenged i'm not sure i can prove

02:55:13.120 but to go back to you know quite early on this evening when we were talking about uh

02:55:19.680 about statistics and just possibilities and probabilities uh and how

02:55:25.040 how it seemed to be that the the gods actually function as as real beings uh when you get uh

02:55:37.760 get what seemed to be interactions with the gods or the or the the uh the chances of a particular

02:55:44.640 answer is like i said uh uh one in one million and some of uh hundred thousand um i to me that

02:55:56.960 indicates a supernatural force now uh is odin woden wotan uh i literally an old guy with a

02:56:06.480 spear sitting on a chair he can do anything he damn well wants but but i i don't think that's

02:56:13.600 just what he does i mean he's he's got some strings to pull things to do and so forth and so

02:56:19.520 forth uh so so i'm i'm convinced uh but uh you gotta look at the the way the odds work out

02:56:30.720 there's more going on there than just you know casually rolling the dice

02:56:35.040 so i think this kind of goes to a little bit to my previous condemnation of philosophy um

02:56:45.360 i don't need to prove the gods are real

02:56:51.680 the gods are real my ability to prove it or disprove it don't affect the reality of the gods

02:57:01.940 a similar school of thought with you know endless quoting philosophers leads itself to

02:57:12.960 the thought that debate is what counts truth is what counts and if debating something helps

02:57:22.680 bring out the truth of it or lead you to the truth of it then great but my ability to argue

02:57:31.420 with someone and convince them of the reality of our gods doesn't make the gods any more or less

02:57:39.580 real i feel it's my job to invite people to come home to their gods i think it's my job to

02:57:50.060 proclaim the reality of our gods and to stand for that reality and for their will

02:57:56.540 but i don't think that it's a winning strategy to try to convince people who don't want to

02:58:09.100 be convinced of the reality of our of our gods um i don't really think it works that

02:58:18.180 way a whole lot and i'd say you know as a point of reference in this shows um or i

02:58:25.040 guess in this YouTube channel's library I did a did a show with an atheist that wanted to like

02:58:31.600 have me prove to him that the gods exist and I'm like no that's not what I signed up for I signed

02:58:37.260 up to tell you why I think they exist and I think that the conversation is very revealing

02:58:44.120 it's not about competing theories no our gods exist i know a thousand percent they exist

02:58:55.680 i try to communicate that to the best of my ability with other people who want to listen but

02:59:01.760 they exist whether you know my my debating about them or not to score points doesn't affect their

02:59:08.660 existence and i think it's the directionality of that that's very fundamental to faith in general

02:59:16.900 we often get caught up in

02:59:21.620 thinking that what we do

02:59:25.220 you know affects whether the gods exist or not you know like the schrodinger's gods or something

02:59:32.980 And it doesn't work that way. The gods exist and are real. Everything flows from that. When we focus everything on us and try to project our feeble understandings as if that determines the reality of our gods, that misses the point and is a kind of trivial, unintentional atheism.

03:00:01.980 atheism that I think we should avoid. So, you know, I can present the reality of our gods.

03:00:09.440 I can speak to the way that they've affected my life and the life of those around me.

03:00:14.740 I can speak to moments that I feel are transcendent that represent the reality of our

03:00:21.900 gods in my life and in the life of others. But I can't have like a wizard battle with somebody

03:00:29.400 like from sword in the stone in the disney movie and we transform into different stuff

03:00:34.740 and do you know that's that's not how it works um and i think people get again they get lost in

03:00:43.140 their own head thinking that's how it is i don't think it is gods are real and my life is better

03:00:48.520 for it my life is a testament to the reality of the gods um hopefully it's convincing whether

03:00:55.860 it's convincing or not it's absolutely true and i'm very very grateful for it so steve is there

03:01:02.920 anything else you'd like to share with us or talk to us about this evening

03:01:09.460 i don't have any topics to to to have to hand but uh it's been awesome this is

03:01:26.640 really the you know my chance to experience this and it's there's the material here is endless

03:01:36.160 you know good conversations we've talked philosophy and religion and just about

03:01:43.520 everything else and uh very seldom one gets a chance to do that usually it's just nothing

03:01:53.040 nothing of particular worth but this has been of worth and the great worth uh and uh

03:02:00.080 i have a question for you where can people meet you where where do you hang out where do i hang

03:02:06.400 out of course i hang out at odin's hof yeah just invite them out too yeah y'all come on by

03:02:16.960 so you heard it here folks odenshoff this weekend veterniter or winter nights at odenshoff

03:02:28.560 i'll be there steve will be there the voice from beyond the screen his lovely wife sheila will be

03:02:35.220 there you should be there too if we can get you there that'd be fantastic we would love to see

03:02:41.540 you there reach out to your local folk builder they can get you all set up if you'd like to be

03:02:46.080 there. Also, if you are in the eastern part of this country, and you would like to be there for

03:02:52.800 the dedication of Frazehoff, we'll also feature our founder, Steve McNallan. You can meet him,

03:02:59.840 shake his hand, he might even speak to you. So I'm Irish, I have to talk. There you go.

03:03:08.800 So he's compelled by his Irish blood to speak to you. But yeah, that's December the 6th.

03:03:16.080 i joke but seriously anybody who can get there uh steve sheila myself will all be in attendance

03:03:22.640 with other afa luminaries um but most importantly it's an opportunity to celebrate the dedication

03:03:30.560 of the first half to lord frayer in i that we know of so it's the place to be we'd love to see

03:03:40.080 you there before you wrap we got a bunch of questions now like well you said one question

03:03:45.680 and now they've got like five well that's that's just disrespectful um i only see one in my queue

03:03:56.160 all right steve some overtime all right i did working man did you ever think that what people

03:04:04.800 think is the gods is there in their life is actually the people in their life there are

03:04:14.080 no gods intervening for people who have no people ie family or family friends i don't know if i

03:04:23.280 think that i get some of that question i don't know if i fully understand it steve what do you

03:04:28.480 say to that question well i i'm i'm i don't either um um i i if if if i'm hearing right

03:04:40.320 um one would say oh well my my my father is you know father figure is is is a god and my

03:04:49.840 mother is the goddess sir now if i'm getting it right uh but i i think that that's almost

03:04:57.600 freudian approach is just that it doesn't it doesn't meet doesn't meet what happens uh you

03:05:04.080 know we've many of us have experienced situations that blows the hell out of just accident i i do

03:05:16.800 believe that i've been guided by the gods i believe that in a couple of cases uh they kept

03:05:24.160 me alive uh several actually that kept me alive crossing crossing uh borders where i had no right

03:05:32.480 to cross and so forth and so forth and and i know you can you can always say well that's just that's

03:05:38.480 just that's just luck but there comes a point where the the the statistical odds of that are

03:05:47.520 just one in me as well yeah as i was saying earlier in in the evening um but that's that's

03:05:56.240 that's what i would say so

03:06:03.520 i reject your premise when you say there are no gods intervening for people who have no people

03:06:10.240 i.e family or family for family friends i don't think that's the case

03:06:14.720 i know a lot of people who came to the gods when they were quite literally alone they were at rock

03:06:25.960 bottom they had no family and no friends and all they had was the gods and their faith in the gods

03:06:34.820 and their gods interaction with them is what brought them back to a place in the world where

03:06:40.820 they develop family and friends. So I think oftentimes people find the gods when they are

03:06:50.560 quite alone. I do think that the gods can work through people to place people in your life at

03:07:03.500 the right time, at the right circumstance, to arrange synchronicity to where the right person

03:07:09.860 interacts with you in a way that's meaningful when you need them.

03:07:15.300 Ideally, Steve and myself and his wife, Sheila,

03:07:18.780 all as priests of the Iseer,

03:07:21.560 hopefully our gods make use of us in that way

03:07:24.800 and facilitate our being in people's lives

03:07:28.060 when they need us or when it's most advantageous

03:07:31.800 to the will of our gods.

03:07:35.300 But I don't think that.

03:07:36.680 I think that we do wrong when we try to, I don't know, force, I don't know, when we try to take away from the gods in order to force rationalism on something that's unnecessary.

03:07:57.320 And I think if we didn't feel the need to do that, we would very naturally embrace the gods.

03:08:04.100 But we have something built into us since the quote-unquote Enlightenment where it's like we have a natural disposition of trying to disprove divinity.

03:08:17.760 And I think we do that to our detriment.

03:08:21.500 So, no, I don't think that's the case.

03:08:27.960 matt and steve do you do in your free time what are both of your hobbies

03:08:37.400 steve what do you do you know what do you do in your free time and what is your what are your

03:08:43.240 hobbies wow what i do i i i don't have much free time i'm

03:08:55.080 I'm almost always busy doing things to further the cause of our fault.

03:09:04.760 I write for this and that and the other.

03:09:07.880 I've got multiple outlets that ideally I would like to post on three times a week,

03:09:16.960 which often doesn't happen.

03:09:18.500 That's things like me, we, and this and the other and so forth and so forth.

03:09:23.800 know just media trying to get get my messages out as i see them um i i am i was born to fight this

03:09:34.360 fight not necessarily to win i don't know that i don't give a damn that's that's not the point

03:09:41.400 the point is i was born to fight this fight i believe that absolutely positively i may make a

03:09:50.040 mess of it i may not but i was born to fight this fight for the existence of our people

03:09:59.400 the welfare of our people for the glory of the gods that that are our our greater fathers and

03:10:06.680 mothers and that i'm you can see if my wife will tell you yeah i mean she has to pull me away to

03:10:15.080 you know to get me to go to a movie or something you know i don't know but uh it's that's it and

03:10:20.600 you know i love it i love it this this is my fight hell yeah bring it on and i do have some

03:10:27.560 things to say though that you really love the idea of consciousness futurism and all that stuff and

03:10:34.120 you basically study it you are you are interested into all the theories about where we're heading

03:10:41.080 with ai and all those oh yeah you spend a lot of your time that's what well well i do it's like a

03:10:46.120 hobby well in a way i don't know if you can hear that very well but uh she's she's basically saying

03:10:52.200 that you know i i i stay up on like all the current technology ai won't survive her own survivor

03:10:59.800 um and uh yeah i did because that's weaponry that's an slash threat you know and i am a human

03:11:10.040 homo sapiens sapiens ariansis and this is my battle and to fight that battle i mean i i've

03:11:21.160 never been just the little the little guy who has no interest i as i wanted to be a physicist

03:11:32.520 i was reading uh books on relativity at like 12 years old and like that you know

03:11:39.560 i'm not saying that that makes me particularly bright but it does mean that at least i was

03:11:44.520 interested in all sorts of stuff so i'm i'm not that little closed off guy who's you know

03:11:50.200 wants to i don't know what's the hell but all that i have and all that i am

03:11:59.320 regardless of ai or whatever focuses on our people our souls however you want to think of those

03:12:08.520 and the things that we should accomplish and must accomplish

03:12:14.220 if we are to be remembered by our generations a thousand years from now.

03:12:22.780 Yeah, I don't mean to give bland answers because I don't think it's the case,

03:12:30.800 but i have really worked hard in my life to build synchronicity to where the pieces match

03:12:40.640 so i don't have a lot of like not a lot of the things i do as hobbies correlate or interface

03:12:50.560 with this in some way like i'm trying to learn icelandic right now and i'm um you know i read

03:12:59.200 but I read a lot about history and I read a lot about various themes that interface in the stuff

03:13:08.300 that we do. I'm reading The Forgotten Soldier right now. Um, and I got, as soon as we're done

03:13:15.680 with that, a new book on Otto Ron that I want to read. Um, I, uh, you know, work out, I go to the

03:13:26.860 gym that, I guess, is a hobby that I do that's not this. I go and do Danzenro Jiu-Jitsu.

03:13:43.280 Started, I listen to various podcasts and things throughout the day. Started listening more to

03:13:49.940 Alex Jones. I hadn't done that

03:13:53.060 in a number of years, but

03:13:54.780 he's

03:13:57.080 on to a lot of things and he's right a lot

03:13:58.960 of the time, but he also

03:14:00.000 gets really fired up and his 0.95

03:14:02.840 presentation is kind of ridiculous. 0.92

03:14:05.100 That's part of the fun of it. 0.95

03:14:08.940 So, I don't know. I mean, I listen

03:14:11.120 to podcasts. I read.

03:14:13.720 I

03:14:13.920 go to the gym. I go to the park

03:14:16.940 with my daughter.

03:14:19.940 watch as, as a palate cleanser, 1.00

03:14:24.360 I'll watch professional wrestling with my wife. 1.00

03:14:27.660 We'll watch that kind of as a, because again, it's,

03:14:30.600 it's silly and it's nostalgic to our childhood or whatever.

03:14:34.020 And it's a fun something to do that kind of, you know, like I said, 0.76

03:14:39.500 it's a palate cleanser. It gets your mind off of, of other stuff.

03:14:42.680 So you can come back at it fresh. So we'll do that every now and again.

03:14:46.620 um out so this is strange but I watch stuff and try to I enjoy watching and or listening to things

03:15:00.460 about UFOs and cryptids and stuff I don't say that I believe in all of those things but I do

03:15:10.500 find it really fascinating there is a phenomenon that goes on and I don't know there's probably

03:15:16.380 a better word for this when people are telling me things and they're not lying but i also don't

03:15:26.380 believe that what they're telling to me is true there's a gap there that is fascinating to me

03:15:36.300 and the ufos and the cryptids and i'm not like all in crazy town on it but

03:15:42.620 but only one of them has to be right for it to be a thing.

03:15:47.540 Like 99% of them can be completely full of it,

03:15:52.560 but it only takes one of them to be accurate for there to be something that's

03:15:56.980 worth paying attention to. So I suppose, but again,

03:16:00.600 that's a heavy part entertainment,

03:16:03.720 but it also would be fun if that stuff was a thing.

03:16:08.120 I don't know that it is or it isn't,

03:16:10.040 but it entertains me and fascinates me um yeah i think that's what i got

03:16:17.720 wow also steve any fun or funny army stories

03:16:25.400 oh god

03:16:34.040 i'm sure there were a thousand things but but they they've never they never

03:16:40.040 yeah they haven't congealed to a point where i just can just reach reach in and pick one up um

03:16:49.000 it was yeah the the army was it was quite was i had a love-hate relationship

03:16:55.560 basically with it you know uh you know parts of it sucked so bad and parts of it were just

03:17:02.120 great and it's sometimes it's kind of hard to sort them out I always liked

03:17:11.500 working with the troops we had some crazy guys I'll never forget them but I

03:17:21.580 I just I can't think of it that comes right off my lips if we if we had the

03:17:28.940 conversation slightly differently i probably could have entertained you 0.85

03:17:33.100 but uh yeah there was great times but damn yeah sometimes it wasn't 0.84

03:17:42.060 oh oh my wife's about to inform 0.94

03:17:48.220 oh national garden during the rodney king riots oh hell yeah

03:17:52.460 yeah yeah we we had an interesting time uh it was crazy it was crazy but uh yeah yeah

03:18:05.140 nothing nothing worth to nothing that would be funny in the context so all right

03:18:10.400 so do you describe miracles as evidence

03:18:15.700 i'm assuming that comes from the earlier question about proving our gods

03:18:22.720 steve would you describe miracles as evidence

03:18:26.320 if there is such a thing as

03:18:34.460 my belief in the gods and my shall we say intuition if we to use a word if that somehow

03:18:54.820 is quote evidence you know there's no way i can really transmit that to anybody else

03:19:02.600 I have to try to let them know, gee, here's what I felt or here's what I saw.

03:19:08.600 And this worked out this way.

03:19:11.500 Is that evidence?

03:19:12.720 It's not evidence you can take to court or anything like that.

03:19:17.500 It's something that I know happened.

03:19:22.660 But it's very subjective in that way.

03:19:25.760 It doesn't mean that gods can't do things

03:19:29.160 And do things with other people

03:19:31.980 Or to other people

03:19:33.020 But

03:19:34.260 What impacts me

03:19:37.380 Is obviously

03:19:39.380 My experience of it

03:19:41.180 I never was a philosopher

03:19:43.380 So

03:19:45.860 What Steve said

03:19:49.840 Realistically

03:19:51.540 Yes

03:19:55.540 as evidence to me, absolutely.

03:19:59.820 The trouble is when you get in those kind of conversations,

03:20:04.520 especially in this day and age,

03:20:07.960 it doesn't really work like that.

03:20:15.320 So whatever, you know, Steve talked about a miracle earlier,

03:20:20.480 but

03:20:23.100 we treat

03:20:25.340 I think that there are

03:20:29.600 the agnostic

03:20:35.720 crowd is very quiet 1.00

03:20:37.540 the atheist crowd is very loud 1.00

03:20:41.940 the atheist doesn't 1.00

03:20:45.920 really want to hear anything 0.94

03:20:47.660 they just want to shout it down

03:20:49.480 so no the guy was just distracted he didn't look through you he just didn't care about you

03:20:58.360 something stood out about the guy behind you or he had some kind of a he was thinking about

03:21:04.420 I don't know he's thinking about fried chicken or something and he didn't pay attention that day

03:21:09.500 I don't know they would come up with some rationalization to delegitimize

03:21:14.740 your experience and make it not real you couldn't convert convince that guy because he doesn't want

03:21:20.600 to be convinced miraculous things that happen in in our lives were very powerful evidence to us

03:21:30.380 or to other religious people with some buy-in but they're not powerful to try to convince

03:21:40.320 atheists that don't want to be convinced oh you're lying oh it was just this

03:21:46.820 they'll they will go out of their way to discount or go through the mental gymnastics to

03:21:54.160 come up with a alternative possibility so again it's not there's not a point trying to hard

03:22:03.960 to argue it other than to stand by truth

03:22:07.740 and present it honestly.

03:22:12.220 And I think to fair-minded people, honestly

03:22:15.560 presented truth

03:22:17.100 shows, you know, it has an effect and especially

03:22:23.720 has a cumulative effect over time. But it's

03:22:27.800 hard to use that as some kind of a gotcha evidence and

03:22:31.680 debate it doesn't really work that way

03:22:33.600 so I mean I'm and I don't hate debate

03:22:37.700 like I did debate in high school I went

03:22:39.700 to nationals with

03:22:41.380 Lincoln Douglas debate in high school

03:22:43.800 I like debating stuff

03:22:45.260 but it's

03:22:47.740 fun when there's no consequence

03:22:49.380 to it it's different

03:22:51.500 when it's

03:22:53.640 trivializing things

03:22:55.780 that are fundamentally

03:22:57.500 important to my existence

03:22:59.700 the next question can people just come to the Hoffs uninvited yes absolutely so we prefer if

03:23:13.640 you plan to come to the Hoff for you to let somebody know and we can arrange somebody to

03:23:19.320 be there for you and we can you know we do like to like to see who's going to show up

03:23:26.940 and make sure they're not, you know, dangerous or sketchy.

03:23:30.700 But our Hoffs are places that exist in the real world.

03:23:33.860 You can, all of them are on Google Maps

03:23:36.440 and you can find exactly where they are.

03:23:38.960 They're there and you know when we're going to be there.

03:23:41.820 You know, our friends and our neighbors

03:23:43.680 are welcome to stop by.

03:23:46.580 So yeah, don't feel like that's something you can't do.

03:23:50.180 You can find them.

03:23:53.380 They're there.

03:23:54.400 They exist.

03:23:55.080 it's it may seem like a small thing but it's a really special thing for me to be able to

03:24:02.260 you look it up on google maps and it takes you you know right to it that's kind of a

03:24:07.400 mark of it being official in today's world um

03:24:13.420 steve can you talk about how you met ron mcvan and do you have any stories about him

03:24:20.980 Wow thank God I don't even remember how I met Ron Ron McFann he was staying with

03:24:45.180 a with a guy up up in the northwest that uh i was invited to an event of some sort up there

03:24:54.860 by i guess probably reinhold yeah a guy who

03:25:03.340 well actually i like ron a lot more than i thought of than what i thought of the other guy

03:25:10.460 uh i think ron came across it as honest in some ways even naive uh absolutely well meant uh

03:25:21.020 with with a sense of honor i always liked ron still do although i haven't seen him in years

03:25:26.540 and years and years i don't know what he's up to but ron ron was a good guy and and i met him at

03:25:34.060 this this event up uh from the like say in the northwest that another guy was putting on uh

03:25:41.100 but ron ron ron's there's something about ron that is so sincere so straightforward and

03:25:49.740 very little self-attachment as i remember him um yeah i don't know that i would agree with him

03:25:57.500 about everything he believes or has got but i i if he got in a fight i'd be sitting in there with him

03:26:04.620 yeah one of those kind of guys i don't know if that's the answer or the question exactly but

03:26:10.700 that's that's just one it's fantastic um good deal all right well

03:26:21.260 So on behalf of everybody that calls themselves Ausit True,

03:26:31.360 happy birthday, Steve.

03:26:33.740 Thank you very much for being on the show tonight.

03:26:37.180 Thank you very much for the heroic life that you continue to lead

03:26:43.920 that has brought us here.

03:26:47.540 It's been great to talk to you this evening.

03:26:50.060 i appreciate you carving out time out of your birthday for us um no problem no problem it's

03:26:57.020 always always an honorable honor to be here uh always good to talk with you always interesting

03:27:03.260 to talk to the people that hang out and come through here so it was a wonderful thing

03:27:11.260 i will see you guys at the hof this weekend yeah um you know i here's to many many birthdays

03:27:19.980 to come and uh we are honored so honored to have you on the show tonight till next time guys hail

03:27:28.700 the icer hail the folk hail the afa and remember victory never sleeps great great great hanging out

03:27:40.220 out with you guys.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - October 16, 2025

10⧸15⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 171 - Happy Birthday, Mr. McNallen

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