00:17:32.580it's a recurring theme because i think it's a it's a truth that our people have known since
00:17:37.380since old times um nick could you go ahead and throw up that room tone for us
00:17:54.260i forget that the screen that i'm looking on is real tiny so uh let me
00:17:59.700cool the horse is a joy to princes in the presence of warriors a steed
00:18:07.100in the pride is the pride of okay i'm sorry i'm gonna have to look at this on a different
00:18:13.620screen screen because i am unable to see it um actually swan could go ahead and read it for us
00:18:22.100Yeah, absolutely. So, let's see. The horse is a joy to princes in the presence of warriors, a steed in the pride of its hooves. When rich men on horseback bandy words about, and it is ever a source of comfort to the restless.
00:18:45.320Sorry, I didn't move my camera a little bit there.
00:18:47.720No, that's good. I appreciate you for the assist there.
00:18:52.100Um, I think that's pretty straightforward. I think that it, uh, you know, it encapsulates
00:18:59.040a lot of what Svahn said and he, you know, in his, in his rundown of it, even, even mentioned
00:19:03.720that this gives the meaning of it, you know, in a pretty straightforward way. One of the
00:19:10.000things that I think is, I don't know, just for, to further illustrate the point is how
00:19:21.540special that is that a horse a fine speed is two princes among warriors because it elevates a
00:19:34.440warrior to be a whole class better or different it literally elevates them but it makes them
00:19:41.840a powerful force of of that combination of things and people have recognized that since
00:19:50.400since forever. I think that Svan's talk about this rune being one of enhancing other runes
00:20:00.760or carrying them forward or empowering them, I think is very spot on. And I think it speaks
00:20:08.440a lot to that idea of partnership, of an ordered partnership. And that's what I've got on this
00:20:21.680one. We've got a few questions lining up. And I do have a couple things. Please. One is,
00:20:31.940we were talking about the epochs of time and i had made reference to the idea of the um
00:20:39.860epoch of the sun or or so willow and and um transitioning into the epoch of tiwaz um
00:20:50.100there is i and i can't speak for it because again now we're getting into the idea of like
00:20:55.940prophetics but there was a kind of a message that i think my rune master taught me was
00:21:03.780the hearkening of twins and again when i was told this i didn't know what to make of it whether
00:21:13.460we're talking about mythic language whether we're talking about literalism but at the same time
00:21:17.540again we're kind of shifting into a time where there's going to be a temple to tear
00:21:21.380erected. And the significance of this temple is, I would say more than just a temple itself,
00:21:28.800but there's also a lot more added to it. So about 10 to eight years ago, I would think of a lot of
00:21:36.720conjecture, but now I'm starting to feel a certain way about the overarching ideas of this. And I'm
00:21:44.720not stating that as some sort of like Nostradamus kind of thing. I would just, I wanted to bring
00:21:50.340that up because i understand now to what one of the things my my rune teacher was telling me was
00:21:55.980about the connection that this rune has to the sacred twinship whether we're talking about the
00:22:01.880lord and the lady or whether we're talking about the sacred twins um like uh the algis if you will
00:22:08.600i know algis as a rune itself has its connections to the sacred twinship but this rune as well in
00:22:14.720relation to say like Hengist and Horsa or to Romulus and Remus. There is the overarching
00:22:22.360Aryan premonition of the sacred twins. And so whether that is, it just seems all very,
00:22:34.240very fascinating to me is what I'm getting at on that one. I think I find it
00:22:39.860um now in as opposed to in retrospect now there's a lot that seems to be on that but
00:22:47.820there's also some other points I wanted to make is that um in relation to uh works of fury and
00:22:56.220mental ecstaticism uh this rune in particular is a powerful rune um I was always taught about
00:23:06.280bind runes over the amount of three um as that is the dynamic number and this um rune in relation to
00:23:17.240wunyo and to uh therzaz makes an interesting point when uh some people are referring to like
00:23:25.880the rune magic that maybe will increase your fervor increase your statusism increase your
00:23:32.280trance-like state of both mental and physical pitch, if you will. Take that for whatever the
00:23:41.320people that are, whoever's listening tonight, take that for what you will and how it may be
00:23:45.820something worth pondering about. But this rune kind of also encapsulates the idea of the philkia,
00:23:53.600the follower, the part of the soul, as Al-Sharir Goli said, the chthonic part of the soul,
00:24:00.340the primitive part of the soul that represents um your base nature and your mastery over it
00:24:07.560so i i find that and that's i think would be falling somewhere in between and we're obviously
00:24:15.180not talking about runic divination but more about maybe internalized rune work as opposed to
00:24:20.700tying magic and carving runes and trying to manifest your will or um again reading runes
00:24:28.800this is somewhere kind of more of an internal thing.
00:24:31.180And I think this room has a lot of value in that.
00:28:45.360kinda or it can but there's better options for that um
00:28:50.240I mean, we mentioned its meanings towards partnership. And I think in that sense, it does.
00:29:01.200I think that, you know, you could extend it to that. But
00:29:06.060Gabo is certainly a more, I don't know, is a better choice.
00:29:14.160and is a choice that is more certainly more commonly used for that purpose one that's much
00:29:21.880more um on the face of it applicable to that situation um but but i see elements in it was that
00:29:33.500that correlate to that depending on how you want to look at it and as i mentioned early on in this
00:29:40.960series. The runes are lenses to see and understand the world through, and there's many truths to each
00:29:52.240of the runes, and context provides everything. I don't think this is an illegitimate lens
00:29:59.340to view a marriage relationship in, especially if it was put towards, you know, direct purpose.
00:30:09.660if there was like, cool, we're going to engage in this project together as husband and wife.
00:30:21.320So yeah, there's not, I mean, there are obviously wrong answers, but there's a lot of gray area,
00:30:26.640yes, it could be used that way answers, where there are some that are very obviously intended
00:30:33.540for a purpose. You can extend a lot of these for other scenarios and situations,
00:30:37.720and they do provide a valuable, I don't know, perspective from looking at them through that
00:30:43.820lens. Svon, do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I 100% agree with your
00:30:50.680premising of it in a very, it's not quite the same. I would say, yeah,
00:30:59.780Gabo and Manaz have far more of a linked meaning. You know, in my school of
00:31:06.680um work uh gabo and manas are congruent together so they're seen as leo stover their their light
00:31:17.480stabs uh whereas um gabo and ewaz are kind of um in opposition to each other or murk and so
00:31:27.240So this rune, I think, has a lot more to do with perhaps leadership and following the idea of, again, even they talk about in the Marine Corps, you know, knowing when to lead and knowing when to follow.
00:31:42.800And I think it has more of a poignant set of work ethic or goal achievement that isn't necessarily based on a partnership because I think partnership has a lot more of a bigger context than simply attaining a singular goal.
00:32:03.280There's multiple goals going on at the same time, and it oftentimes involves a lot of give and take.
00:32:08.220this is more about i think a sense of vision from the rider and accomplishment from the horse or
00:32:15.580or the uh the team or the the foundry of um work going forth so i i i absolutely agree i don't know
00:32:25.340if this is and this is i think where that confusion comes and i spoke of because of how closely they
00:32:30.700are there is that confusion but manas i think better encapsulates the marriage unification
00:32:39.260as one of the important things that holds the community together and we'll get into that
00:32:44.380next room but yeah this is a little bit more focused and more of a top to bottom uh kind of
00:32:52.780leadership to uh driving force productive force that's that's being led
00:33:00.700all right oh i saw my spaced when i was going through my rundown at the beginning of the show
00:33:13.360also do remember that these come out every friday as podcasts on spotify so please you know if you
00:33:24.540are listening to this then we appreciate you being part of our audience if you have questions that
00:33:29.440you want us to answer and you're listening to these through you know some other way than than
00:33:35.280live you can always email questions to nrice at runestone.org and nick can get those set up
00:33:48.580Robert E. Boily is, he got me into the soy jack lore. This is good.
00:33:58.840I'm looking at the chats. I'm a little bit behind. Sorry, guys.
00:34:05.740No, no worries. So I think that that is all of our questions that, oh no, we've got one more.
00:34:14.060The next question is thoughts on Julius Evola?
00:34:18.580Um, that is a, that is a big question. There are many thoughts. I don't know if there's a specific
00:34:27.900idea of his you want us to discuss or just in general as a general thing. I,
00:34:39.140I enjoy him quite a bit. I enjoy his works. I have read everything that I can get my hands on
00:34:49.760that's been translated into English by Julius Evola. I find tremendous value in lots of it.
00:35:01.000But I don't, you know, 100% agree with all of it, and certainly with some of the, I don't know, I think extremes that some things are taken to.
00:35:15.400But I like it in general, and I would say that as far as people who would fancy themselves philosophers, he's probably my favorite and one I've enjoyed reading the most.
00:35:31.000Mystery of the Grail is my favorite book by Evola.
00:35:36.660I like Revolt Against the Modern World,
00:35:39.260which I think most people, it's probably the most common one.
00:35:45.100But I think it's one of his best works
00:35:49.660and the best one-shot look at his philosophy and his worldview.
00:35:56.280you. But one book that gets kind of maligned that I think is very good by him is The Yoga of Power.
00:36:06.920I just think it's unfortunately named because I think people go into it with an expectation of
00:36:11.680a different book than they get. I think one of the things about Evola that sometimes can do him a
00:36:18.380disservice is the translation process. Or at least that's what I like to think. If something sounds
00:36:24.160odd or a little bit off. I like to pretend that it is the translation situation. I know some of
00:36:30.280his works went through a number of things. Some of them were Italian translated into French and
00:36:38.800then translated into English. So I think there's some of that to be accounted for. One thing I will
00:36:45.580say, I, and I forget where it came from, but going around a number of years back, there was a
00:36:54.460really useful chart of the order in which one should read Evola's books to really get into it
00:37:05.780and build the foundation and find it accessible. That helped me a lot. I made a mistake early on
00:37:15.540And I tried to dive right into the deep end and it was over my head. I lacked context and, you know, as Evelyn would say, I lacked a positive reference point to understand how he was presenting things.
00:37:36.580So I didn't get a lot out of it. The first one I tried to read was Ride the Tiger. And it, again, I just jumped in way too deep to start with. And I couldn't get anything out of it. It was dull and I put it down. And then years later, when I read it again, when I had those, when I had those points of reference, it was, it was amazing. So there's, there's a smart way to do it. And yeah, I'm a big fan.
00:38:06.580So Svahn, what are your thoughts on the Baron?
00:38:10.980Absolutely. My favorite is Metaphysics of War. I've always kind of been fascinated
00:38:18.160with the concepts of a forced military conscription versus a voluntary, and then to take it one
00:38:29.380step further to the idea of the holy warrior or the the uh divine inclined as as perhaps you know
00:38:38.340to to be given a mission to mission however you you either way wish to see that um has always
00:38:46.900truly fascinating i guess the layers in which the commitment to um to achievement of victory
00:38:53.780is uh is truly fascinating to me um i kind of been in it and i was you know obviously part of
00:39:01.260the voluntary sense was definitely not of the um early on in my war fighting career i wouldn't say
00:39:11.560career because it wasn't entirely my life but or my my my time um it it really intrigued me to
00:39:21.480look into those things and understanding what battle and war is what the purpose behind it
00:39:29.160when you don't have a good purpose or if you if you have a misaligned purpose it it gnaws at you
00:39:35.940and so um i wanted to find the source of that kind of gnawing at me uh the questions of why
00:39:44.380and where i was and what i was doing and in that pursuit i found the answers in the the correctness
00:39:53.020of action that a warrior should take um whether it's you know the the holy or divine war or whether
00:39:59.360it's the holy and divine mantle of the warrior and his willingness to fight um all of that i found
00:40:07.020deeply moving. And it really kind of emphasized, I think, that the knighthood of Europe is not
00:40:16.720something that I think is intrinsic to Christendom. I don't think that the knightliness of
00:40:25.980Christian crusaders or something was like some sort of culmination of Christianity,
00:40:31.700It was merely just a kind of a blip in the arc of the overall sense of the aristocratic warrior knight.
00:40:40.980And I think that there's evidence of that amongst the early Britannians and amongst the Norse, you know, whether we're talking about the Jomsvikkingor or perhaps maybe early Varangian guard and things like that.
00:40:59.740There's a lot of that showing before the Crusades and Christendom itself.
00:41:05.580So I've always wanted to elevate a certain sense of the warrior ethos within Ausatru to a level of knightliness or aristocraticism.
00:41:21.560And the idea of the, I would suppose, the responsibilities that are laid upon your shoulders and clarifying that.
00:41:31.400So that's why that book really sticks out to me a lot.
00:41:36.120So I want to reemphasize that for you guys.
00:41:38.140If you've never read Evela and you want to know what it's all about and you're looking for an accessible entry point that are pretty straightforward and that are really good books,
00:41:56.920Metaphysics of War and the Mystery of the Grail are very easy to digest, but I think really good and really important.
00:42:06.360And I think that's a really good starting place.
00:42:09.860So I think those two are both would serve you guys well as a place to start if you haven't dove in yet.
00:42:19.040Or if in your diving into Ebola, you happen to miss those two.
00:42:23.460I think they're less known than certainly Revolt Against the Modern World or Ride the Tiger or Men Amongst the Ruins.
00:42:34.640I think those are probably his big three. So these ones may have slipped your view at first, and I think they're very good ones, both of them.
00:42:47.560Yeah, I learned a lot of cool little tidbits in Metaphysics of War that I hadn't heard of before or hadn't made note of before.
00:43:47.900It is, all of our ancestors understood that in the fall of the year, we are in a special time where the veil between the worlds is very, very thin.
00:44:01.920And our opportunity to meaningfully interact with our deceased ancestors is special at that time.
00:44:13.880And there is an ease of passing messages between the two worlds in a special way in that time of year.
00:44:24.400And I think it carries on throughout the winter in a way.
00:44:27.440But this is a special time to reach out to our dead ancestors.
00:44:33.020I've seen over in the chat folks talking about alpha bloat and desa bloat.
00:44:37.520Those are our bloats respectively to our male ancestors and our female ancestors.
00:44:43.880um there's a point about feasts of the iron her yard i think that again that's capitalizing on
00:44:51.080the fall of the year to send energy send messages um interact with fallen warriors
00:45:00.920um a feast the iron here you are is a is a modern celebration that's built around veterans day
00:45:07.880um but it's something very special and i'm excited to celebrate that and again it's
00:45:14.840taking this time of the year to do that um so it's fortuitous that it that it lands on the 11th of
00:45:22.280november um but yeah the end at the end of this month is a special time you are better able to
00:45:29.400interact with your ancestors if you can make it to any of the afa's many winter night celebrations
00:45:35.240that are going on around the country and around the world please do you absolutely should it's a
00:45:40.840great time to reach out to your uh your family's past um but even if you can't spend that time
00:45:51.320at your altar at home spend that time if you've got nothing else with a with a picture of your
00:45:56.600ancestor and a candle and uh just reaching out this is a special time it's a really good time
00:46:03.320to remember them and to send your love their way and uh don't just go through the motions when you
00:46:11.720do it reach out with an open heart and be be ready and i think some really special things can happen
00:46:18.840because i think that you know our ancestors don't just forget about us when when they pass
00:46:26.840all of the collected knowledge of our folk tell us that's not the case
00:46:33.320And just as you care about them, they care about you, and this is a time to interact.
00:46:42.120And in the way that we perceive the world, it is most effective, in my experience, if you're the one initiating that reaching out.
00:46:53.320It's much more easy, and it puts you in a better place to receive if they want to reach out to you as well.
00:47:00.600you have something to add on that's fun yeah absolutely uh i think that uh i've heard
00:47:08.340some some people inquisitively poking around some people actually doing the whole like well
00:47:14.140actually thing it's kind of been in between all of that but i think it's worth noting and i would
00:47:18.660love to do uh you know a podcast just on all of our 12 sacred holy tides um i think for the most
00:47:26.200part there's a lot of confusion because winter nights is kind of a window and we have uh you
00:47:33.400know sources of deser bloat being practiced around this time and alfar bloat was practiced
00:47:40.240in iceland around what would be like february january time frame and what we have kind of done
00:47:48.160is is incorporated the dsir and and the alvar uh together in this time because of the sacredness
00:47:57.200of our ancestors and i think that you know being coupled right next to feast of the aynhyar which
00:48:03.680is absolutely a modern uh you know uh take of the time frame around veterans day it's worth noting
00:48:11.120that you know these our holidays have evolved and to incorporate them both and build them up
00:48:17.360Especially when, you know, people will think perhaps maybe in February, you know, Alvar is dedicated to the Alvar, but there are various Alvar, including our, you know, dead mortal ancestors that have been ascended and allowed to, you know, broach over either the bloodline or the land.
00:48:37.100um and then the well actually crowd i remember this was a conversation too that i thought was
00:48:42.640very kind of funny and it made me think of something there's a lot of people that uh you
00:48:46.800know winter nights uh or you know i've i've even heard some people say sowain or samhain uh is how
00:48:54.700it's um generally kind of spoken of i always kind of that's gaulish in its origin but uh i've heard
00:49:04.000people say well you know remember winter nights is the old new year of our ancestors and absolutely
00:49:10.320correct because our ancestors you know denoted time based on this was the sunset of the year
00:49:17.680the new day started at sunset because everybody was awake everybody was you know able to witness
00:49:23.280it happen so it would only make sense that culturally the new year would begin at the same
00:49:28.640time but what i think a lot of people fail to realize now is our knowledge of understanding
00:49:36.080of time and and has has advanced and now we you know we think of midnight as the turning of the
00:49:41.600tide and in a way yule has kind of also shifted with that and yule has become the new uh marking
00:49:50.480of of the year as it as a turnover so you might get people that are like oh well you know yule
00:49:55.440isn't really actually the new year and and yule is is not the right time to do it and that it's
00:50:01.440based on the full moon of the anglo-saxon calendar that's going to be in january and
00:50:06.640there's just a lot of rigmarole that i think a lot of people pull out uh i guess trying to one
00:50:12.400up or or create some sort of um established authority when it's worth noting that as long
00:50:19.040as you understand yes our ancestors definitely had that as the new year but they also saw the
00:50:24.000new day at sunset and now things have kind of changed culturally and they do and if we
00:50:30.720fail to admit that our traditions change morph and also kind of fit uh you know early
00:50:39.120also true back in the 90s when i when i was just uh coming into the faith there was really only
00:50:45.360eight holidays now there are 12. there were no temples then either so and now there are
00:50:51.840so a lot of things are moving forward and they're starting to fill out and form out i did want to
00:50:57.680bring that up is that um the significance of the holiday is very important but there might be some
00:51:04.080people out there stating these things for whatever the reasons are and i think it's just it's good
00:51:10.320to know this is a great time for us to honor our our loved ones the roots of our being um whether
00:51:17.360it's the the men folk that protect the land or the the women folk who are elevated to protect
00:51:22.400the bloodlines or even the land spirits too let's not let's not dismiss that as well
00:51:29.600so uh in the meantime balbo biggins donated ten dollars says p50 thumb here's a tenor
00:51:38.640what kind of note can you hit it's an interesting question i'm assuming you want me to make some
00:51:45.840kind of a musical utterance um i don't know do you want me to try to go high or try to go low
00:51:52.640not sure where you're trying to get me to head with it give me a little bit more detail and i
00:51:56.640can i can perhaps embarrass myself and make that happen um also for another ten dollar matching
00:52:03.840from zach phelps zach we appreciate you shout out to balbo biggins here's your match how's the
00:52:10.560weather in the shire hey guys they're fun but we really do appreciate the donations um thank you
00:52:19.120interesting call on the fifa phone from the uh possible connection of galder to um that story
00:52:29.040that's what i mean about a lens there's not a direct thing there but once you start thinking
00:52:33.520in terms of the runes, you find correlations that happen. And yeah, absolutely making the
00:52:41.540fee-fi-fo-foam sounds is very similar to the work that Edred has you do in the Nine Doors.
00:52:50.520Where are we on the next one here? Okay. I think we got time for one more question here before
00:52:56.740we're going to hit our next rune. As always, we will definitely hit all of your questions.
00:53:01.620I'm trying to do you know like a room per hour and then we'll go as much as we need to to ask
00:53:08.420to answer your questions so the next question would you support having mandatory military
00:53:13.620service or a draft in case there is a war do you think men and now people are arguing women too
00:53:20.500have a duty to serve um swan being a veteran uh how about you hit this first I am not a fan of
00:53:31.360mandatory draft. I think that there's lessons to be learned from that. I think that the
00:53:38.900volunteerism is kind of coalescing with national pride. And, you know, you have elements,
00:53:49.700I think, within our nation that are deteriorating that at a rapid rate. And they're starting to
00:53:54.240realize that all they got is basically carrots to dangle in front of people. So we're kind of
00:54:00.980caught in that. It's the monetary carrot versus the draft. And there's no in-between for us. And
00:54:10.180I think that's kind of a product of their own making in a lot of ways. And so I'm not a big
00:54:15.500fan of mandatory military service unless the nation itself was more cohesive and was more built
00:54:23.620towards the um tenants of protecting the nation and um you know of course uh elevating their
00:54:31.580their um you know the the children that are coming in and i would say children because you know we
00:54:38.700were young um you know these 18 year old 17 year old 18 year old kids with the with the idea of
00:54:45.920of training them up giving them discipline giving them skills or or um inherently improving these
00:54:53.140uh, you know, mandatory, um, um, members that I think would have some value, but we don't live
00:55:02.800in that. That's, that's like holding water in a colander kind of thing. I want the bowl,
00:55:07.420but we got the colander. So I'm, I'm, I'm not for, um, mandatory stuff.
00:55:13.040so uh balbo biggins threw us a uh uh an additional donation of twenty dollars it's going well chappy
00:55:24.140brisk and cool and maddie it was a tenor so show some tenor chops i figured that's where you wanted
00:55:31.600me to go but i didn't want to uh assume i had to look it up because i don't really speak uh i don't
00:55:38.300really speak choir, so I had to check it out. It says it's trying to go as high as the male voice
00:55:44.660can go. I thought that was falsetto, but I don't, again, not an expert, so we'll see what I can,
00:55:51.440we'll see what I can do. I think that's about the best I got for you, but I appreciate your 20.
00:56:01.900it'll go to a good cause. That said, as a little palate cleanser, context is everything
00:56:17.280with so many things. And I'm really torn on that question. I also don't want to come out
00:56:27.960overly hawkish on it as someone who hasn't served um you know i could have joined the
00:56:34.520military and i and i chose not to and didn't um so i think it would be you know a little bit
00:56:42.840hypocritical and preachy for me to talk about the virtues of you know why that may should be a
00:56:50.200mandatory case and i think some of that has to do with
00:56:59.640country of residence versus nation and i everybody's got a lot of really strong feelings
00:57:07.160on this and i don't mean to offend anyone or hurt anybody's feelings i appreciate every
00:57:17.400i appreciate every man who has stepped up to serve the country that they're in and
00:57:22.760who has put their life in the balance um the root of nation is the same as as as natal as as
00:57:39.240as birth and your people and your folk.
00:57:47.160And I think when the nation is a clear representation
01:11:39.300The joyous man is dear to his kinsmen, yet every man is doomed to fail his fellow, since the Lord by his decree will commit the vile carrion to the earth.
01:11:49.820um one of the things in all three that well okay i guess one of the things in the icelandic and
01:12:01.320anglo-saxon speaks about joy um one of the biggest standouts to me about this room is that man is
01:12:13.360the joy of man. I've mentioned before one of the big, you know, one of the things that I most
01:12:22.620use the runes for is Galdor. And I always like to Galdor runes before ritual, because it
01:12:30.600figuratively and literally harmonizes us. Despite my tenor display a few minutes ago,
01:12:37.240it's cool when you harmonize. Something really special happens. And I think it aligns us in a
01:12:44.500really special way. But this is one of those runes that I like to use. There is something
01:12:57.000celebration with someone else and that's with another person not um not just two dudes um
01:13:10.820everything is enhanced when in the context of community especially community of the folk
01:13:22.860It's one of the things you can, you can practice Ausatru as a solitary practitioner, but you miss so much of the meat of it, doing that outside of a community.
01:13:35.600like so much of our our ritual there's a synergy when multiple people are standing together
01:13:45.140before the gods united in purpose united in in faith united by by blood united by things
01:13:54.260you become worth more than the sum of your parts
01:13:58.300and you take joy and strength from one another
01:14:02.800people are social creatures we are not meant to be solitary matter of fact outlawry or breaking
01:14:14.820you off from community and dooming you to be by yourself was one of the worst things imaginable
01:14:22.880to our ancestors, because your entire context for existence is your relationship with other
01:14:33.320people, specifically with your people.
01:14:37.160And separating you and alienating you from that was the worst punishment that they could
01:14:48.020It was to be cut off from, it was to live being cut off from your folk.
01:14:58.020Focusing on that joy is a fundamental in the AFA when we are together as well.
01:15:05.720Well, the idea that when we come together, we can transcend the frustrations of life and of, you know, all of the stuff going on in the world we may not like, because for a moment, we are with our folk, we're with our people, and we can take joy from one another.
01:15:26.640It's been pointed out several times over in the chat, I believe, that, you know, ideographically, this is two Wunyo runes facing each other.
01:15:47.200I've noticed people keying in on those, the two Wunyo runes, or the Lagaz rune and Issa rune.
01:15:54.720now they're starting to see some combinations in there so that um
01:16:05.040that joy that celebration that strength to carry on
01:16:11.600when two people come together is extremely extremely important um
01:16:18.320and i i don't think that can be overstated and i think
01:16:24.720Yeah, I don't think it has to be any more complex than that, but it is profound in and of itself.
01:16:36.060And the idea of our human connection bringing both people involved joy and then spreading that out to our family, our tribe, our clan, our nation, our folk.
01:16:54.720And so as a side note to that, one of, I would say the biggest thing that we engage in as GOFAR is counseling.
01:17:08.800Biggest, by biggest, I think I mean probably most frequent thing we engage in is counseling.
01:17:15.440One of the, and we, people have toxic tendencies often.
01:17:24.020one of the biggest ones that we have is a tendency to isolate when going through hard times.
01:17:32.020When someone is suffering or they go through a hardship in their life, they have a tendency to
01:17:40.580hole up in their house and lock the world out, lock other people out, and wallow in their sorrow.
01:17:47.300and you know there's plenty of occasions where stepping back and centering yourself
01:17:54.320is a reasonable thing to do but man when you're having a hard time when anyone is going through
01:18:01.060a hard time the worst thing they can do is try to sit by themselves and be haunted by their demons
01:18:07.660haunted by their regrets and wallow in their misery the best advice that i always give every
01:18:16.800single person, myself included, when you are feeling low for whatever reason, go do stuff
01:18:27.340with other people, even if it's just being around them and hanging out. But come together
01:18:34.140with other people is such a source of strength and joy that I think we lose sight of in the
01:18:46.000modern world that we have around us because with so much electronic things we can simulate that
01:18:51.040we can have noise we can hear other voices you know have the tv on in the background it's not
01:18:56.260you don't feel as alone as if it's all quiet but the real interaction with another human being
01:19:04.280makes all of the difference and i i just don't think that can be said enough
01:19:09.820Um, a very wise member of, of our community, um, suffered a great loss and I was absolutely
01:19:21.680moved by his need and his desire and his wisdom of coming to Thorshav for an event. Um, and he
01:19:32.860spoke of this loss. And I had never prayed so hard during a bloat to give him strength, to give him
01:19:42.840light, to give him a focus towards the dawn and a focus towards overcoming that adversity of loss.
01:19:54.220And it floored me that he did the opposite that I think we often always encounter with people kind
01:20:00.900of closing up and I, and I understand why some people do it, but he did the opposite.
01:20:08.400And that, that absolutely struck me to the core of the importance of what community is
01:20:16.720of what our folk are, what our church is.
01:20:19.580And it inspired me to really kind of follow that, follow suit in that, that bravery.
01:20:30.900um we got a uh two cups of coffee um from cole van gilder i have never felt such love and support
01:20:43.380as i have when i came to the afa i'm only sorry i can't afford more thank you githya callahan
01:20:50.980and gothe stam for taking time and helping me through such difficult time in my life
01:20:57.300uh i am really really glad that you reached out and that they were able to uh to help you um
01:21:08.060that's absolutely what our gothar are here for every single one of us and i'm very happy that
01:21:16.940when you were struggling with something you were able to reach out and uh that our gothar
01:21:21.260we're able to be there for you. So we have got some few questions lined up here where we left
01:21:37.140off from Barry. As I miss the Ohio winter nights and can't make it to Sigerheim, is there a certain
01:21:44.660way I should celebrate it at home with family beyond just a personal bloat with my VCR?
01:21:51.260Svon, how would you advise Barry and his family celebrate winter nights if they're just having to, if they're just able to do it as a family this year?
01:22:02.300yeah i think right out of the gate setting your harrow up and and placing out your ancestral
01:22:14.260steads um not not so much the gods steads or or statues or or uh symbols of the gods that you
01:22:23.960invite the gods to be in your home and uh invite them to uh sit and and bear witness
01:22:31.440uh in this case you know pulling out your if you have pictures um in my family in in particular we
01:22:39.120use wedding photos because it has again that that polarity of the masculine feminine as they're
01:22:46.380joined together um so our our photos generally are from weddings um throughout the ages some of
01:22:54.240them are very old photos um sometimes singular photos things of that nature bringing down
01:22:59.600photographs of strong uh patriarchal and matriarchal members of your family
01:23:06.720and giving them homage and space on the harrow at this time i think is the first move um towards
01:23:15.140that and you know cleaning your harrow and setting it up in relation to that and then when you are
01:23:22.240ready i would say combine it with a meal so holding bloat uh and giving gift in a bowl to your to
01:23:30.960your ancestors to to the dc and to the alvar uh the protectors of of your home and your land
01:23:37.600the protectors of your bloodline and the end of the of your children and your future and
01:23:44.320um you know giving bloat to them and then holding a meal saying a prayer over the food in thanks to
01:23:51.200them and all the sacrifices that they made in order for you to sit with your family and eat
01:23:56.720and enjoy this time um perhaps you know telling stories of them if you know uh stories from your
01:24:03.120your your past your ancestors and i would also say too it'd be a great time to perhaps
01:24:09.840prepare your outdoor harrow or a horg uh the stones or the altar outside as well and leaving
01:24:17.920gifts to the land spirits as well. I think that those three, um, points of concentration towards
01:24:25.880your devotion are at the height of this moment in this holiday. And, um, that may play out
01:24:31.560different for everyone. You may have a strong patriarchal, um, figure in your family that you
01:24:37.780have a lot of stories about or, or, or a matriarch that you do, and you could focus on that, but also
01:24:43.600just as the D-Seer and the Alvar at large, the Dark Alvar are the mortals that have been elevated
01:24:53.320and ascended to a position to protect the lines. And, you know, giving thanks to them in those
01:25:03.140respects. However you do it, there are little local things that people do. So if you have
01:25:09.500just your family i mean i would say at the bare minimum just do that there are some people that
01:25:13.960kind of combine that with perhaps um folk rituals that they may do with uh close kinsmen um uh but
01:25:23.320you know that's hard to tell and that's more nuanced for every person um in their local area
01:25:29.300but you know holding bloat and having your harrow near and in the same place or processing to
01:25:35.840the table after bloke with your family and then holding another remembrance over the meal and
01:25:43.780giving thanks, I think is a really good start to practicing this holy tide if you're unable to make
01:25:53.340it out to your kinfolk. Absolutely. I don't have a whole lot to add.
01:26:02.260um talk about your ancestors tell your kids about your ancestors tell stories if you have
01:26:13.860artifacts i say artifacts if you have stuff that used to be your grandparents and they're not with
01:26:20.780us anymore you know if you have those things there's something that your kids can reach out
01:26:56.660about six generations or so ago they couldn't do that so that's a really special thing that
01:27:03.540we have access to today um yeah speak their names tell their stories it doesn't have to be
01:27:12.980some overly elaborate sing-songy prose viking ballad to them you can just talk about grandma
01:27:25.280You know, but talking about your family, talking about your ancestors, sharing those with younger members of your family that didn't meet those people or haven't heard those stories.
01:27:37.780That's a really special thing. And that's it's special, but it's pretty easy to access.
01:27:44.180And it's it's really important. And I think so many of us don't do that.
01:27:50.260Another thing, and I think this is a reminder, and I'm talking to myself as much as anybody else here.
01:27:58.680One thing that is shameful that we all do, myself included, if you are not, we have family that over time, perhaps we are not close to, for whatever reason.
01:28:13.860Um, but it's really unfortunate, but very common amongst our folk to completely ignore, uh, grandparents that we have no relation to or no, or we have no relationship that we've built with them in life.
01:28:36.040yet once they pass we'll go worship our ancestors and honor them at an altar and do all this and
01:28:43.680that but while they're here with you in this day and age do you reach out and give them a call
01:28:50.040do you call and say hi and check in and ask how they're doing
01:28:54.020it's awkward if you're not close or it can be or if you have some other family issues i don't know
01:29:00.020about. But it's lame and you're not living up to your responsibilities if you don't show love and
01:29:10.040interaction with those people in life, but then get all, you know, all righteous and excited about
01:29:19.080it after death. You have that opportunity now to interact with those people. You know, we talk
01:29:24.980about how at winter nights, it's so much easier to interact with our ancestors. You know what?
01:29:30.020Our ancestors that are still with us, it's real easy right now to pick up your phone and give them a call.
01:29:39.100And I think that is equally, if not more important to stress to everybody.
01:29:47.240You know, I say that like, you know, my grandmother, I am fortunate enough to have a grandmother that is still with us.
01:30:00.020But we've never been super close. We didn't spend a lot of time together when I was growing up. I have a lot of cousins that she has spent more time with and for whatever reason was a little bit closer to and it just wasn't a thing.
01:30:17.220um but i really should do a better job of reaching out and talking to her and it was
01:30:24.520really special uh earlier this year when she came down with my father to visit uh me and my family
01:30:30.740and it was it was neat to have four generations there you know at one time my grandmother my
01:30:36.040father myself and my daughter so do that that's important too i'm sorry i kind of went on a ramp
01:30:45.680there um no no what yeah call your grandparents yeah call your parents these are important things
01:30:58.640i saw over in the chat uh there was a question about what what should i give some things to
01:31:03.440think about again this is different for everyone um you know it sometimes it do you know certain
01:31:09.760things whether um you know i know for instance that my grandparents um were very fond of they
01:31:17.440they smoked and they were you know that the product of their generation and they enjoyed coffee
01:31:24.240and um so giving a gift of coffee i think also it's worth noting culturally the the the usage
01:31:31.440of the of the color red in semblance to mortality um and you know it's up to you whether you can
01:31:38.880do things oftentimes i think i find people when they give gifts to the ancestors they often
01:31:43.760place them within a hole or in the ground after a certain period of time during the bloat they may
01:31:51.280take a you know a sacred like mead or uh any of the gifts and you know place them in a hole pour
01:31:59.520them out uh place sacred gifts and then cover them with soil you can also burn them as well if you
01:32:06.960you have the ability to whether it's uh through a fireplace or a place outside that is kind of
01:32:11.760a sacred place not some uh place where you just like burn mundane things or mundane refuse if
01:32:19.440you're doing like a leaf pile or or what have you but the way in which you give generally can reflect
01:32:24.820in relation to the the middle world with the earth or the ascendancy of the gods through fire
01:32:33.440or upon high. And some, some people I hadn't, you know, spoken to talk about how they believe
01:32:40.600that the Alfar and the Deeser are elevated or ascendant souls of their family line. So again,
01:32:47.980fire could be applicable there. But yes, giving those gifts oftentimes, you know, wrapped in red
01:32:55.300and placed within the earth, I think is a, is a decent way to start. If you're talking about
01:33:00.000components of ceremony if you're talking about components of the bloat uh you know you're giving
01:33:05.600libation there at your harrow then you eat a meal um some people even place a plate and cups and
01:33:13.600things in a spot at the table in remembrance for those who could not sit there and dine and then
01:33:20.880they place certain items or gifts or things letters and they place them within a um a sacred
01:33:28.160spot and they bury them in the ground and perhaps use that spot annually. But that's just some ideas
01:33:36.400in gift giving there. Yeah. Again, context is everything.
01:33:45.260and I've used this line of thinking when talking about gifting to gods often
01:33:57.180it should be much more accessible to wrap our heads around though when we talk about gifting
01:34:03.920to our ancestors. Now, most of us, or I don't know in today's world, a great many of us
01:34:16.100knew our grandparents. What would they like? Don't ask me in spawn. I don't know your grandpa,
01:34:24.420but you do, or your mom does, or your dad does. What would they have liked?
01:34:31.380that's what matters um i don't you know swan and i as gothar
01:34:38.520can help facilitate the bridge between the gods and the folk
01:34:48.360asking us what the gods might like because of our professional status with this and our long time
01:34:57.280doing it I think we can shed some light perhaps on what our gods would like most but your ancestors
01:35:04.420that's one of the most special things about this they're your ancestors you are connected to them
01:35:10.200directly through blood through you know one or two generations your family knows these people
01:35:18.380to the best of their ability what would they like and you know that answer more than we could ever
01:35:24.920hope to know. And if you don't, because there wasn't that closeness there, perhaps you were
01:35:29.360adopted, any number of things, then some suggestions, I saw this in the chat, what do you
01:35:35.840think they might have liked? You know, what do you like that you wish you could share with them?
01:35:42.220These are all ideas, especially, you know, especially kids. And I say that, honestly,
01:35:48.800just thinking in my head, if I wanted to make an offering to my grandfather, what I might do.
01:42:58.500I think it's better served that our people are carrying the northern spirit with them wherever they go is a better way to look at it, perhaps.
01:45:25.000And as a point, in case anybody didn't know, we have facility to accept the interred ashes of our folk in regular grave plots at Odenshof, at Thorshof, at Njordshof, and at Sickerheim.
01:45:48.640And we have set up and have the plans as soon as we have someone's ashes to honor to set up a columbarium, again, where we are facing to the west at Baldershof when that time comes.
01:53:57.820So, I mean, I feel that within one generation.
01:54:02.200But, yeah, our people have always overcome those challenges.
01:54:05.740And we'll overcome the new challenges in the future.
01:54:09.060We have one more question I think we're going to hit before we get to our last room tonight.
01:54:13.060And this is actually a throwback to our first rune of the night.
01:54:21.220I'm late for the Ehwas section, but what is your idea about that rune and its relationship with death?
01:54:31.840And I saw this over in the chat and I thought this is fascinating because people in the chat, you know, mentioned that it is that the horse in a mythological sense can take people or can take people or gods or heroes between the worlds.
01:54:54.680can take them to the land of the dead can take them to all nine of the worlds if you're talking
01:55:00.300about um slepner with his his eight legs um there is absolutely something to that and i'm
01:55:10.260really really glad somebody brought that up um the horse as a method of transcendence or a method of
01:55:20.260um traveling between the worlds i think that's extremely relevant and i think
01:55:31.080yeah it's i mean thank you for bringing it up because it's not an aspect of this room that
01:55:39.500i'd ever thought of before not in that way i mean i thought of it in other circumstances
01:55:44.640but not as relates to this rune and i think that's really really interesting and i think it's
01:55:52.060perhaps a rune that um is very useful in in sending things beyond um our world to the
01:56:05.600different worlds to the different forms of existence and beyond the veil but i think
01:56:09.640that's fascinating and I'm really, really glad it was brought up. Svan, what are your thoughts on
01:56:14.880that? Yeah, I was kind of hinting towards that when I was mentioning the usage of that rune
01:56:20.860in relation to Wunyo and to Thurzaz and ecstaticism and the ability for the consciousness
01:56:28.260to be transferred or moved through barriers, through thresholds and into higher attainment.
01:56:35.800That really is what I was kind of alluding to is the rune as a vehicle of non-corporeal movement, the ability to attain that understanding.
01:56:50.800And that, I think, does clearly play out in our mythic language when we were talking about the horse of the sun and the horse of day and horse of night and horse of the moon.
01:57:05.800And, but also speaking of, you know, of Slepner, the slip, the slipping one, the one that slips between all and the dynamicism there.
01:57:14.140And even, you know, with the, the recent kind of initiation towards understanding about like Brod and Hovi of Freyr and of Lord Frey and, or the, the, the passage of the horse into the underworld.
01:57:32.980um it does have a lot of uh points but i would say yeah this rune in relation to transferring
01:57:40.360the non-corporeal consciousness or soul or the mind or which is all in one really uh
01:57:48.480yes absolutely can be used in that in that way
01:58:50.740and a grass of, of, um, uh, life and, uh, especially life, even though, you know, you cut
01:58:58.500it down, it comes right back out and it's close association with water. But the first, um, and
01:59:05.400primary I would say is that this rune associates with water. It could be a body of water, the lake,
01:59:13.800if you will, Laguz and the lake, or it could be, um, some people do account it to the motion of
01:59:19.860water, whether it's the currents or the rivers or even the ocean in a sense. But it has a deep
01:59:28.620connection to fluidity. And in that, there's a connection between the mental state of dreams and
01:59:39.640of consciousness, the ability for our consciousness to become still and to look deep words and inwards,
01:59:47.240perhaps even below the water surface, or that our consciousness can flow into the world and
01:59:54.440break through cracks, break through barriers. But it's a slow and more organic flowing of our
02:00:00.700intent and our will. Obviously, there's clear connotations to water in relation to the wells,
02:00:07.340being that there is a wellspring in heaven, there is a wellspring in the middle,
02:00:11.680and there is a wellspring in the lower, and how all of those are interconnected through the roots.
02:00:17.240And so this, again, speaks of cycles and the idea of that which goes ultimately below being drawn up and descended again down from Yggdrasil and into Earth's well and then down into the middle and through Mimir and back down again.
02:00:35.680there's this constant state of flowing of the sacred rivers in all of the the levels uh the
02:00:42.720level above time the level within time and the level below or away from time so this this rune
02:00:49.760has it's again like its name is um you know kind of associated with it's hard to pin it down uh
02:00:59.360with good reason i think is that this rune is deeply associated with uh fluid concepts
02:01:07.440some people associate it to dreams uh to emotional well-being others to health um leaks craft the
02:01:16.400the leech craft healing um oftentimes i've i've talked to people about how they associate this
02:01:22.880rune with the art of healing in specifics to the to the ausenior air and her healing abilities
02:01:31.040through um tonic or through um uh uh soup or or a potion if you will the idea of the of the garlic
02:01:42.880and the leak in relation to healing goes all the way back even the uh the goths are are mentioned
02:01:50.960of it in a lot of their usage of words, even when they rewrote the book of Matthew, there
02:01:57.080was references to health and medicine in relation to the usage of water, broth, herbs, and
02:02:07.420of the sacred way of infusing those healthy components through the medium of water. And
02:02:14.600can see that again uh the sacredness of boiling um meat from bloat uh the perhaps the uh animal
02:02:22.840that was uh uh given up sacral butchering whether it was a horse or a bull um oftentimes was was
02:02:31.560boiled in a cauldron so this rune has deep uh kind of anchoring in those uh concepts but when we
02:02:41.800talk about it in say divination this rune often symbolizes um perhaps secrets or um
02:02:53.480uh levels of understanding that are not quite fully understood yet and are coming into being
02:02:59.800that there is a a level of the water coming out of the ground and bubbling up like a well spring
02:03:06.360or the the sprig of the of the leak you know breaking out of the ground and spearing up into
02:03:13.000the sky with virility and life um you know there's uh kind of transit translational debates about one
02:03:20.520of the sacred rivers in ausgarth or in in heaven um you know in relation to whether it's the it is
02:03:27.720the spear river or it's the leak river the garlic river in the sense of of all those connotations
02:03:34.040to healing and health and virility in life so this rune is is hard for a lot of people
02:03:41.240to just say it you know it means community it means man it means the folk it means this this
02:03:49.040rune has a lot more to do with the title rise and fall of consciousness emotion and spiritual levels
02:03:56.780within the individual or within the folk or all around the way that we kind of heal ourselves spiritually.
02:04:11.800So again, I got stuff I'd like to add, but let's go through the rune poems first.
02:04:19.820Nick, if you could put those up, starting, I guess, starting with the Icelandic, please.
02:04:26.780water is eddying strain and broad geyser and land of the fish
02:24:04.260Yeah, it's very nuanced. And I see the logic in a lot of these things. And if there's a significantly high chance that your offspring will suffer greatly because of the situation, then maybe you don't.
02:24:22.380there is a overriding impulse from your ancestors and from all of biology for you to procreate if
02:24:33.140you can and to transfer your genes to the next generation that's that's fundamental and as i
02:24:42.840said in mammalian existence that's just how we do um but we do have will and we have the ability to
02:24:49.620to cut that link from going forward if it is so awful or so debilitating that that's something
02:24:59.840that you want to do. But I don't think there's a one-size-fits-all answer. And there's so much
02:25:04.660gray area. There's very small things on how you process certain vitamins being a deficiency to
02:25:12.020major deformities or or crippling mental illness and you know the devil's in the details there's
02:25:22.960so much in between there that makes all the difference it's fine do you have any thoughts
02:25:27.560on this yeah i think you hit it really well i mean biologically we always seek to i mean nature
02:25:35.300works in its way of filtration, the primogen of the body that is a higher functioning mind
02:25:45.180and a higher functioning body and seeking a good partner, whether a husband or a wife,
02:25:54.160you want these features to be well and good in order for the benefits of achieving
02:26:05.260nature's drive, our drive to continue that natural law. But it is nuanced. I mean,
02:26:14.860there are things that we, you know, whether we know ahead of time and science is allowing us
02:26:20.020to see certain things and head certain things off, but we're also becoming aware of problems
02:26:24.700and are currently fixing them. I immediately come to mind the genetic disease of cystic fibrosis,
02:26:33.520in which two perfectly healthy, normal people could get together. And for some reason,
02:26:41.400the way it works out is that their child has a high likelihood of having debilitating
02:26:48.540lung disease that could very well cut their life extremely short. But with also that being
02:26:56.580understood and becoming something that, that people, um, have, have to, have to encounter
02:27:02.600and work towards, um, there are advancements in, in, in the, um, care of those things.
02:27:08.640And so like, again, bringing up health and, um, the need for medicine, you know, there's,
02:27:15.060there is, uh, I think an over romanticized view of, of the idea that our ancestors perhaps,
02:27:21.360You know, if it wasn't of the paragon of time, they were simply cut away or discarded. And I'm certainly, there are times of that. I mean, Procopius even spoke of during the migration periods that some Germanic tribes committed senocide because they had to cut loose some of the older folks that could no longer care for themselves or move with the group.
02:27:46.220And, you know, those things are, again, they're environmentally dictating, they're genetically dictating. And I think that our advancement towards medicine and understanding should work towards healing people that can be healed.
02:28:03.120um but again it is it is very nuanced and again the function of people within that society if
02:28:11.760they're so dilapidated either mentally or physically oftentimes they will not be able to
02:28:17.700find a mate and and uh you know procreate and have children um simply because it doesn't
02:28:25.500facilitate with the conditions that they're in so sometimes nature does just work within that realm
02:28:31.840of of ruling but we do know that you know our ancestors did see use in in people within our
02:28:39.040society uh you know deaf blind uh mute or or um you know injured uh in some way that they're not
02:28:48.960their body was not whole anymore um they still had use they still had an ability to give so i think
02:28:56.080And I think that is often a thing that's either overlooked sometimes internally by people who have this kind of very black and white view of it. And then there's also people outside of our folk who think that, you know, that perhaps, you know, the Vikings of yesteryear would dash a child against the rocks if he had a birthmark or something.
02:29:20.280And I think that's a little, you know, overly dramatized barbarianism kind of thoughts or what have you, these kind of ideas that they come up with.
02:29:29.680So, yeah, it is extremely nuanced and we have to take into consideration what is capable of happening, what we can stop by having knowledge, whether it's genetic or medicinal knowledge, and what we can heal and help and allow our folks to grow and attain.
02:29:50.360again the overarching paragon of our people is to have healthy whole children who can grow up and
02:29:58.040meet other healthy whole children and have more so i think ultimately
02:30:02.200it equalizes itself out whether we intend to plan it or not in the long run
02:30:08.200so i was waiting on side resources to covertly feed me the have them all versus spawn do you
02:30:24.440know where those are off the top of your head uh you're useful here yes i no i i do not have them
02:30:33.000i i know i was making uh mention of them but the exact number off the top of my head right now
02:30:38.200no i do not but yeah a deaf man can be a great warrior and um the vault can ride a horse right
02:30:49.160some kind of cripple can tend to fire yes there's anyways point being the have them all makes
02:30:56.040mention of many different disabilities those people could still do stuff and it's juxtaposed
02:31:02.200to but you know who can't do anything is somebody who's dead so the idea that
02:31:11.960there is still worth in people who don't necessarily have the best of abilities
02:31:19.320but you you'll sacrifice all of that if you know you end that life like you know is mentioned so
02:31:27.480again there's a balance there and there's never i think early 20th century eugenics movements are
02:31:39.960much more related to this than any kind of viking age practice of of discarding children that were
02:31:48.200too much of a burden i think that became an issue of starvation and a lot of other circumstances
02:31:54.360so yeah there's no per as with so many of these questions and any of our listeners that are new
02:32:01.320to the program one of the challenges about aussitrew is you have to face willful decision
02:32:10.920making so few of these answers are you know clear-cut black and white on all of them
02:32:20.680so many things and there's there are absolutely black and whites in this world
02:32:26.680there's good there is evil but there's a whole lot in between that depends upon the circumstance
02:32:36.200um no eric you didn't ruin the vibe at all i think it's completely valid question
02:32:42.600you know honestly and truth is one of the you know our core values
02:32:47.080it's something that you know a lot of parents have to decide especially when we have screening
02:32:54.600procedures now that can forecast some of these things in utero it makes some really really
02:33:02.200tough choices for parents and i think it's a it's a perfectly valid question for you to ask
02:33:08.360yeah i think it even relates runically and overall with the the holy tide we talk about
02:33:13.880our ancestors and the caring for the bloodlines or projecting into the future and even with
02:33:19.320lagus and leechcraft and uh the tides of the body is the blood you know so there it does pertain i
02:33:28.040think it was i didn't see it as being abnormal or obtrusive to the flow of what we were actually
02:33:34.840talking about it kind of synced in there in a way uh-huh all right next question
02:33:42.600is, and you did touch on this already, but maybe you could go a little bit more into the etymology
02:33:49.140and linguistics of it. So this goes, takes us all the way back to Ehwas. Ali says, Ali Claussen says,
02:33:59.460it might have been mentioned. I'm coming in late. Can you talk about the etymological link
02:34:05.420between the name Eguaz and Equus. I assume it's proto-Aryan, but I'd like to know what you have
02:34:15.380to say. Swan, what do you have to say on that subject? Yeah, I kind of hinted towards that
02:34:21.840absolutely earlier on. It is an interesting jump and it shows our connectivity and language,
02:34:29.560but it's worth noting that the reconstructed names of the runes are kind of pulled like a table
02:34:38.200mainly from four legs that are germanic entirely whether it's gothic old english uh germanic
02:34:47.000and and nordic so there are uh you know connections first and foremost through there
02:34:55.800And the big one, I would say, is Iwas amongst the Goths, I think, is the first one that really holds true to that.
02:35:03.300And that word being connected to the stallion.
02:35:07.360But when we talk about just like our languages, whether it's from India to the Mediterranean to the Gauls and the Germanic people,
02:35:19.320you know father and mother and those interconnections um and the words like fire and so
02:35:25.120much so forth this one has it as well and that is again in relation to the word equos in relation
02:35:32.600to horses um and through movement again too transparent because i think that's another
02:35:39.640great point to bring up is is those correlations between the equine or the uh equestrian and like
02:35:46.960the equinox or the idea of the transference of movement through passage from starting point to
02:35:54.340ending point, a phase, if you will. Those all have those kind of proto-Indo-European, which I know is
02:36:03.060one of those classifications we didn't really talk about. I think in the sanitized history world,
02:36:10.400Um, we can say that those connections, uh, but yes, horse, um, because when we think of like
02:36:17.600in old Norse Hester or, um, you know, in, in Anglo-Saxon with the horse or Higgins or Higgins
02:36:26.160I always get that one wrong. Um, the, the, of the stallion, these, these don't immediately equate,
02:36:32.560um to that there was also the possibility that this rune had an h but the h was dropped
02:36:41.300because the h has a tendency to drop in our language or throughout aryan languages as they
02:36:48.840have evolved they've come back in and they they were they uh stay for a while and they drop off
02:36:54.180again but like algae's the focus of the sound of this rune is the z and algae's of course it's at
02:37:02.740the end and that has uh prominence in proto-germanic quite a lot all the the endings of
02:37:10.360words ending in a s or a z um it would then be worth mentioning that this of course is focusing
02:37:17.280on the eh sound and i would also like to you know to point out that it's in the elder futhark there
02:37:24.560are in essence three e sounds there's a short e or a short i there is a long e and then this is like
02:37:32.220the the diphthong e the the eh it's a kind of an in-between uh sound and you know they all reside
02:37:40.260um throughout the futhark and i think it's one of the things that a lot of people don't really
02:37:46.900encounter on is that out of the vowel scale there is a lot of emphasis on that the usage of that
02:37:53.820sound uh you know i think that's why our language has like double e's and ea or um the ai outside
02:38:02.300of german you know especially with gothic and things of older languages is a double e sound
02:38:07.960um so i just thought linguistically it was kind of interesting how the the the futhark in essence
02:38:14.540has three different E sounds, if you will,
02:38:19.800much like how the modern Icelandic has, you know,
02:38:23.880two or three different O sounds, if you will.
02:38:31.660Yeah, I was looking into it on the side a little bit about the etymology.
02:38:35.220And what I think is interesting is a descendant of it is also the Sanskrit akva.
02:38:42.540I may be butchering that to any of our viewers in India, but there are examples of this descending
02:38:52.660into Sanskrit, Avestan in Iran, and then the obvious European ones that we've explored.
02:39:45.360And again, I think our intermittance with the during the with the Gauls and the Germanics.
02:39:51.200But it is worth noting that also with the the Dnepr or the Dnepr River and also the
02:39:59.400gothic name for the lord of rivers uh also is uh don don was uh and is it is mentioned when the
02:40:10.840uh i forgot the gothic king's name right off the top of my head right now but he seeks to create a
02:40:18.680uh peace with the another germanic tribe and what he does is he he uh decides that he will
02:40:26.920the the lord of peace the the god of the rivers danwas is going to preside over the oath and so
02:40:35.960they meet on a boat in the center of the what is theorized the danube river um so the the the that
02:40:48.520uh gendering of the river amongst the celts and i would argue like certainly amongst the goths
02:40:55.960danwas was seen as masculine he was the lord of the rivers he was uh the lord of peace he was the
02:41:02.600lord of of riches and um you know it was believed that his daughters were the the udinus uh the the
02:41:09.720water spirits and that there may be correlations to the um daughters of uh nyorder as well as
02:41:18.280like again another reference of nine waves with iron and ron uh around um but that you know
02:41:27.800bringing back to the understanding of the of the the lord of rivers that neither seeing him as
02:41:35.080also a lord of not just estuaries and lagoons and the and the shore but also of the rivers themselves
02:41:42.120as our ancestors that was their their first real um introduction with traveling or passage through
02:41:49.960water was through sacred rivers or through great rivers that's why uh the the 14 rivers that are in
02:41:55.480the middle world are mentioned in the grimness mall are all correlated to netting and fishing
02:42:01.800and traversing and battle and and uh of of the of nations of people you utilizing them um
02:42:09.240So I don't know. I would suggest, too, that if you have any true interest in that, look up Donwas. I believe it's D-O-N-W-S or W-A-S in relation to the Gutens or the Goths and the god of the river.
02:42:27.340and I did a pretty extensive study on that before going down to Njordeshof and the reason why we
02:42:35.040incorporated the Bronze Age trident in the mural at Njordeshof I know a lot of people were like
02:42:43.860wait a minute that's Roman or that's Greek but the actual trident that I pulled a picture from
02:42:51.360was a Bronze Age trident from the Black Sea north and westward near what is now Ukraine.
02:42:59.200So there is a, I think, a lot lost in between the migration periods and the finalizing times of the Northmen,
02:43:12.220And I would, I can't speak too much about Danu as from a Gaulish standpoint, but I can speak in relation to Njordr, Lord of Waters.
02:43:25.240And I do see that there is a connection there in particular with health and vitality, but this rune also has a lot of connections to the wellsprings and to the cauldrons and to the horns and to liquid as a transference of speech.
02:43:45.980When we speak over the horn to the gods or to our ancestors and then give that horn over, pouring it into the lout bowl, that I think this rune has a great connection to, as well as the sprinkling of the aspergement of sacred fluid.
02:44:05.320so it's all in there and it's it's very very broad because again this is one of those runes
02:44:10.820that doesn't have finite meaning and it is like trying to nail down a puddle um in a kind of
02:44:19.440tongue-in-cheek way of looking at it but it is true it's the it's the rune of water and it's
02:44:22.700hard to define um but yes there are many sacred rivers and i would say this rune is about water
02:44:31.380rivers vitality and uh both travel and what you can gain how much how important the rivers were
02:44:40.120to our people absolutely and um yeah i think it's perfectly a perfectly valid association with uh
02:44:53.200with loggers. Oh, I also wanted to bring up the association. Some people have theorized that
02:45:10.240Donbass and Danu might have been Central European or Eastern European names for Njorth and Nerthus
02:45:18.360before, like, say, Tacitus was in his remarks in Germania,
02:45:23.580that perhaps they were the names of the twinning of the kind of water
02:45:30.100and land by the water associations with these divine beings.
02:45:43.640And I'm going to spend a lot of time on this question because this is something that I think much to our detriment, a lot of our people spend a lot of time purity spiraling.
02:45:56.100So the question, what are some ways to tell if someone is Semitic?
02:46:00.220It's still very hard for me to tell sometimes.
02:46:02.620I recently found out some actors I grew up watching, like Jonah Hill, is Jewish, but he looks white.
02:46:08.940Is it possible the Semites have some European DNA mixed with the Middle Eastern DNA that could explain why they look like us?
02:47:43.740and become first-generation Jews for that matter.
02:47:48.480So there's a lot of reasons for that and reasons to consider.
02:47:53.520I don't think you should spend a lot of your time trying to, you know, bust out skull calipers and determine who you think might or might not have some degree of Jewishness.
02:48:06.660One of the things is I think that you very commonly are able to recognize your own, at least to a very significant degree.
02:48:14.400I think you drive yourself crazy trying to thresh out very small nuances that don't necessarily have a great deal of relevance.
02:48:23.520Again, there's a lot of people probably listening to this program that have very, very strong views on percentages and a lot of things.
02:48:33.660There's a whole lot of cultural baggage there that different people deal with to different degrees of the other or have strong opinions on.
02:48:45.100um and that that's whatever but that's one of the reasons that you don't see a difference with some
02:48:53.480people that um are jewish their ancestry is not readily apparent to them because
02:49:00.260that population of jewish people was likely intermixed in europe for a very very long time
02:49:07.380um and i like i said i really don't want us to spend a lot of time on that because that's
02:49:14.220something that our people spend a whole lot of time spiraling about that's very seldom
02:49:18.860productive. But I do want to treat all these questions as being good intended and I want
02:49:26.280to answer them. But it's not something I want to obsess over. That's another question. I don't
02:49:33.760know, we're going to take this as, I'm just going to take it as it is. Svahn, we have
02:49:43.820a question from Bob Johnson. Who is Odin? If you had to, you know, without the, you
02:49:51.020know, we could do, we could do and have done an entire episode on this, but in the most
02:49:58.860accessible way that you could, if you had to tell somebody who had no familiarity with our faith
02:50:04.600or with anything about our lore or whatever, if you were to tell a Martian who is Odin,
02:50:14.380what would you say? Oh, wow. That's good. I like that one. I would say that,
02:50:25.500um again the benefit of speaking to a martian versus say perhaps a christian is because of the
02:50:31.520complete different outlook of divinity so we don't have to i don't have to premise first of all we
02:50:38.540look at the divine and multiplicity as opposed to seeing i can forego all that and say simply thus
02:50:44.220we believe that the divine powers of the gods uh exist in a place above and descending into the
02:50:54.080material and of them the highest and the leading power is a god named that we call odin uh he has
02:51:04.780known by many names whether it is wotan or votan or or um votanaz or votanaz uh the linguistics of
02:51:13.620his name uh has been carried with our people for a very long time um and he has even more title names
02:51:21.180or haiti um that we uh speak often of in relation to components within his dynamicism he is a lord
02:51:33.340of dynamic movement and consciousness throughout all of the worlds he is um and has the ability
02:51:42.860to interact without boundary um by almost seemingly uh riding the currents or laws
02:51:53.980and structures of divine cosmos he has the ability to interact with all forces that moves
02:52:00.860in and out but with intended purpose of maintaining order inside dissipative chaos
02:52:10.380so he is the lord of consciousness and mysteries and is a dynamic um
02:52:20.380emblem of i would say three moving parts of what we would call a tripartite he is a tripartite
02:52:28.300within himself as this again lends in symbolic language of our faith and in our in our stories
02:52:35.740his ability to move within and throughout and interacting both with humanity and with the
02:52:45.700spirits of other again multiple sources whether it's the Jotun or the Vanir or even those that
02:52:53.320are lost beyond time in and beyond the veil in what we would say like in the dead land or in
02:52:59.500in the land lower the shrouded land of hell guard he is the chooser of the souls of might that are
02:53:12.220to be brought into the heavenly abode in order to help the gods of order fight against the forces
02:53:20.300of dissipation and chaos. And he's the holder of mysteries, the inner workings and the knowledge
02:53:30.160of those forces that he is able to ride or able to flow with, whether it be like on a boat or on
02:53:40.680a horse uh taking those pathways he has that ability and so he is a very important um god
02:53:49.360and uh he is so uh pivotal in the movement forward of our spiritual growth as a people
02:53:59.580that he is and has been initiating us into a greater consciousness that is drawing us back
02:54:07.320together reuniting our people uh as we have been separated over time um and now we are like
02:54:14.520cordage making a rope again through his his divine will and manifestation
02:54:25.640i that's that's a tough one i could go on and on and on and on and on but no we could we could
02:54:30.200talk for for literally we couldn't have talked for hours about who odin is uh odin is the chief
02:54:38.120god of our pantheon he is the father of the gods he is a god of magic of kings of warriors
02:54:47.480he travels between the worlds and his name means the the master of ecstatic frenzy the master of
02:55:00.920inspiration he is the god that inspires and empowers and he is the god that spoke to our
02:55:07.400founder Stephen McNall and way back in 1968 and has seen us through with his
02:55:17.720blessings up to and including today so that is who the All-Father Odin is to
02:55:26.540us in the most short possible way our next question is there something akin
02:55:35.720to karma that's a question we got from odyssey thank you to everyone who's listening to us live
02:55:43.020on odyssey we appreciate you guys and it's good to have a question um swan what what would you say
02:55:50.320is is our closest you know cognate to uh karma well and i think we covered that in a victory
02:56:00.140never sleeps before in relation to the uh explaining of what weird w y r d weird and or law
02:56:10.860and the idea of the layers of deeds that are committed versus the uh perhaps the repercussions
02:56:19.500of action or the interaction of all actions if you will if everyone is committed to movement
02:56:25.740and acting, then these actions will eventually intertwine or collide or coalesce or even
02:56:33.100juxtapose to each other and create movement and conflict. And from those ripples and from those
02:56:40.280effects, there is a kind of a set vibrational movement through that could be interpreted as
02:56:50.100fate or as perhaps destiny or maybe the willful manifestation of karma as it slowly
02:57:00.800comes about. And we talk a lot about action in relation to our weird and our orlogs. So
02:57:10.660that would be in essence kind of our equivalency of dharma, whether we're talking about from an
02:57:16.880individual standpoint, or from even the actions of the gods in
02:57:20.760relation to the effects of all of those actions coming and
02:57:25.880bearing fruit through that resonance, in essence, movement
02:57:29.660and our deeds create more of those actions and deeds. It's I
02:57:37.520think one of the interesting ways that somebody talked about it
02:57:40.560was, if you find yourself on a horse, you may injure yourself
02:57:44.720by falling off. Or if you find yourself on a
02:57:46.880boat most often you might find yourself wet the idea is that uh you know we we build our life
02:57:54.880towards living and doing certain things and in essence we then um find ourselves inundated by
02:58:02.720others and their actions and that leads us into uh pathways that reflect our our choices our deeds
02:58:10.480and our and our movements we do believe that you can change through drastic action through um
02:58:19.680great deed heroicism that you can move yourself uh through i guess correct or righteous action
02:58:29.840and pull yourself in another direction so i i wouldn't necessarily say that it's entirely uh
02:58:36.240uh seen as you are you are doomed and so therefore you shouldn't try i don't think that that that has
02:58:43.080a place but that if you continue down a path you will then find yourself surrounded by the
02:58:50.700the path itself eventually so um you know it's it's it is greatly placed upon the deeds you
02:58:58.460commit now and where you will find yourself and how you will find yourself surrounded by others
02:59:02.580in that direction so if you commit to noble action and find yourself around noble people
02:59:09.320and you elevate yourself and others they will elevate you and you will move forward
02:59:13.560if you enter a life of degeneracy and destitution you will end up finding yourself in those places
02:59:19.560and it takes a greater amount of effort to pull yourself away from that pathway if you will and
02:59:27.100you're talking about say karma in the sense of reincarnation um our our understanding of death
02:59:35.740is that it's not a one for one you don't pass away and simply come back out uh in in as someone
02:59:42.540else or something else but that there is connectivity in your bloodline to your ancestors
02:59:47.900and to your descendants and that you have the ability to aid them from beyond the veil or that
02:59:54.540you can be elevated as uh guardianship over those uh those folk who may even extend beyond just your
03:00:03.100immediate family but to your uh your great grand siblings of your grandparents and their descendants
03:00:12.540and how they have you know spread from there so that's an interesting segue into the possibilities
03:00:19.980of karma in an afterlife or reincarnation i think that's another thing that we've kind of touched on
03:00:24.940in another vns but if we're talking about life now here it is about your layered deeds and where you
03:00:34.060might end up so you know i would i would condense a lot of that into just saying um in your current
03:00:46.300life karmic things would relate best and also true to the idea of the tapestry of weird that
03:00:56.380is woven um by the norns and by your actions and your actions so often dictate the eventualities
03:01:08.220and the things that happen through their implications there's a lot of cause and effect
03:01:16.620that is there that have a that tend to have a karmic effect even if it if it seems like just
03:01:29.020a common sense you know cause and effect relationship it exists on a metaphysical
03:01:35.420plane in the web of weird as far as your actions affecting a future generation that's orlog and
03:01:41.980that's kind of the hand that you're dealt at birth and that's something that affects um your children
03:01:49.260or your grandchildren they carry a certain amount of
03:01:54.140their delta hand based on the line of people they come from and that's their starting point they can
03:02:01.260start, you know, very blessed and squander it all. They can start very impoverished by that sort of
03:02:07.140an Orlog debt and make themselves into a hero and a sin. But it is a starting point and a starting
03:02:16.020hand. And I think that's the closest, the closest relationship in exactly what you're talking about.
03:02:25.000Do either of you have any favorite comedians? And do you like dark comedy?
03:02:31.260I don't, I don't like comedy. I say that when comedy sneaks up on me, I can absolutely find
03:02:39.800it hilarious, but I would never seek out a comedy. When I look at, you know, on Amazon Prime or
03:02:46.100whatever else, when I'm going through, I immediately delete all of the comedies off of my
03:02:51.000movies i might like i would never choose to watch comedy um i am anti comedies in concept
03:03:01.800but again when i find myself exposed to one uh through circumstance they can often be hilarious
03:03:08.680but i would certainly never seek one out um nor do i have any particular favorite comedians
03:03:15.240Svahn, do you have a favorite comedian and do you like dark comedies?
03:03:21.520Yes. I think during the 90s, I remember having a tape cassette. I'm dating myself really bad
03:03:35.820here i had a tape cassette i think it was three tapes of dennis leary um and in that time frame
03:03:44.940he was a much more brash i think age and and general kind of he's grown soft over the years
03:03:52.460and in a lot of ways uh he was much more uh harsh and dark back then um and i remember listening to
03:04:00.380that when i was in my teenage years and um i i could pretty much memorize that entire uh
03:04:09.180show that he did that uh you know uh made him famous about like nyquil and all the
03:04:14.940for people who know if i'm mentioning nyquil or um uh jim henson and elvis um you'll get what
03:04:23.580i'm talking about for those who don't know it's worth giving a listen to he was in his prime back
03:04:28.140then um but over time i i i haven't uh really paid attention to a lot of comics um occasionally i see
03:04:38.460uh you know a glimmer from uh whether it's like bill burr or dave chapelle but then it kind of
03:04:46.380turns back towards kind of placating the mob in a lot of ways um especially like i i remember
03:04:52.860dave chapelle kind of really hitting some hard things because he was getting mobbed by um the uh
03:05:00.300the transvestite community uh um for some of his jokes and i don't know the whole details of it but
03:05:06.620i was really um surprised at the level of which he was um you know hitting some of these jokes
03:05:12.780on the ultra sensitive um crowd but uh outside of that i mean dark comedies um
03:05:21.340yeah i i i've taken some enjoyment in uh watching movies that have a dark comedic humor to them
03:05:29.980um i think the latest one that i watched was um the wolf of snow hollow and it it's kind of an
03:05:37.980odd i don't i wouldn't even say it's super comedic but it is kind of filled with a certain sense of
03:05:43.340dark humor um but i really haven't especially having kids it's hard to um allocate that time
03:05:52.540to to to watch movies that have more of a adult uh themes to them when you have you know a a
03:06:00.380three-year-old four-year-old um so you end up you know every only occasionally they're like islands
03:06:07.500in long spans of uh baby shark and uh and all you know whatever manner of entertainment that the
03:06:17.420kids are into time that you've heard you know a billion times um so i end up you know spending
03:06:25.500a lot more time focusing on perhaps uh you know reading or um trying to do projects or or or
03:06:32.540working and fixing up the house and things like that but i did when i was you know in my 20s and
03:06:38.22030s and in teenage years i i had i find comedy funny i like spontaneous comedy i'm not anti-humor
03:06:56.060it just when i go into the whole like they plan this like all right take one nope not funny enough
03:07:01.500say it with a funny accent this time take two okay let's really go plan the planned element
03:07:09.340and the staged element of it take away a lot of the humor to me and that's not really what i watch
03:07:17.980movies for i can't immerse myself in it i guess is what i would say if again the comedies that i
03:07:26.300find funny are when i just happen to stumble into them and funny things assail me like i will laugh
03:07:35.820when they're funny but i wouldn't seek them out because the idea of like the scripted comedy is
03:07:41.820is absurd to me um it's like i worked at you know i worked in the bar industry for a time
03:07:47.660and you have these comics and when i first time i'd hear their set it was hilarious
03:07:51.820but then when they were playing for multiple nights i'm like i've heard this joke your comp
03:07:59.440your audience interaction is all planned and staged it became much much less funny to me
03:08:06.260um we have some people doing the little trihorn spinny thing uh i'm not sure exactly what that
03:08:14.060means nick's feeding them to me i think that's a one dollar donation uh the dollar train choo-choo
03:08:20.660all aboard and uh then from balbo biggins with another one dollar where's this ride going um
03:08:29.380so it's a wild ride this ride kind of goes wherever this crazy audience takes us
03:08:34.640uh and uh this is where it is taking us next i would i would like to say one sketch comedy
03:08:42.240group that i really do enjoy is yk uk the whitest kids you know um unfortunately they're
03:08:49.900the head of the the sketch comedy group had recently passed away um i believe last year
03:08:55.780but that comedy uh sketch group and i find sketch comedy to be again kind of improvised as they're
03:09:02.380going along i know they can edit it and do all that kind of things but they do seem to
03:09:06.640take it in one take and that uh that sketch comedy group was definitely known for not caring about
03:09:14.020perhaps people's feelings or whatever would be correct by the political party, if you will.
03:09:21.440And they really just rode some of the more taboo topics in a way, in a very funny way.