Asatru Folk Assembly - 10⧸19⧸22 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 15 - Óðinn

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00:03:00.000 good evening everybody uh thank you for joining us for another exciting edition of

00:03:28.960 Victory Never Sleeps. We started off with a moment of silence for a member of ours who

00:03:35.740 passed recently, Josef Feldkamp. I passed away far too young, and we dedicate this episode

00:03:45.380 to his memory. We have a very special guest tonight. We've got Witten Svahn Harrell,

00:03:52.700 And he is going to, he and I are going to discuss the Allfather Odin.

00:03:59.340 And hopefully you guys will have some questions or things for us to discuss over on the side.

00:04:07.480 That's always appreciated.

00:04:10.280 Special thanks to our Githias that were on last week.

00:04:15.660 I caught some of that, but I was on a plane going to our annual Winter Nights Celebration.

00:04:22.700 But sounds like they did an amazing job. We've got really good feedback on that.

00:04:27.380 And I certainly appreciate Brandy taking the reins while I'm while I'm gone.

00:04:35.300 So I suppose we'll start. Winter Nights was fantastic.

00:04:40.260 It was the first time we had Winter Nights in Ohio.

00:04:43.880 Those of you listening may or may not know, but Ohio has just been on fire with zeal and membership and growth

00:04:51.400 and all good things lately um so it was really nice to do this the 11th national winter nights

00:04:59.640 there just a phenomenal weekend with amazing people and just a whole herd of children the

00:05:08.620 children were amazing i was honored enough to be able to do uh three separate baby namings and it

00:05:16.380 was a fantastic, fantastic weekend. Those of you who I got to meet and see there, I'm overjoyed.

00:05:23.860 And those of you who I didn't, I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in the future and hoping we can

00:05:28.620 get you up there. The next national event you can make it to. If anybody is interested tonight in

00:05:37.060 donations and or participating in Super Chat, Entropy is the place to do it. Nick will throw

00:05:44.900 up that link for you. And as always, those are much appreciated. And without further ado, let's

00:05:55.300 discuss the All Fathers. Svon, where do you think is a good place to start a discussion about Odin?

00:06:05.160 Oh, that's a big, broad chunk of a lot of things. I think first and foremost, we should talk about

00:06:14.240 how the nature of divinity amongst the Assetra Folk Assembly. I think that it's important for

00:06:21.620 us to establish, first and foremost, that when we talk about the gods, we're not talking about

00:06:26.020 the gods as some sort of a profile. We're not digging through bits of lore with the intentions

00:06:34.140 of fitting them into things that we need to fit, that we hold, first and foremost, gift cycle,

00:06:42.700 and that we see the divine as truly living and willful, moving and dynamic, especially the All-Father.

00:06:55.620 So, you know, establishing that and making sure that people understand that when we talk about the lore

00:07:01.900 and we talk about things that we read and when we look at comparative things,

00:07:05.480 whether it's, you know, pan-Germanicism, pan-Aryanism, specifically, or even pan-Nordicism,

00:07:17.200 if we're talking about the differences between, say, like the pro-Zetas and the sagas,

00:07:24.040 or like when we paint pictures of Odin in Grimnismaur versus like the Volsunga sagas

00:07:33.620 And the way that he's perceived, you know, sometimes we have to understand that these stories are meta narratives, but also narratives still and with an intended audience and with an intended purpose to speak the stories and to portray things.

00:07:53.680 So I think that first and foremost, seeing the gods, firstly, with how we have interacted with the gods is most important.

00:08:04.460 And then moving into lore and things like that.

00:08:09.720 And of course, right now, I'm a big believer right now that Odin is on the wild hunt right now.

00:08:16.680 So I'm a big believer on the idea that at the equinox begins the starting of the wild hunt, and it doesn't end until, you know, towards Yule tide.

00:08:26.400 Or I would say if you're Anglo-Saxon or Theode, you know, if you're doing only three days, they might consider it at Yule.

00:08:34.180 But it's generally right around the full moon or in the middle of Yule that I view the wild hunt ends.

00:08:42.600 so you know it's very auspicious i think we had a very auspicious moment that happened

00:08:48.840 at winter nights and so um seeing the gods as living real willful dynamic and all-encompassing

00:09:00.200 their abilities to move in and out and above and through weird itself um is first and foremost

00:09:07.900 And then we move into other things like where does the where does Wodhanaz as a name come from?

00:09:16.640 Where does it come from for our people and what does it establish?

00:09:19.820 And I think that it's pretty much well agreed upon that Wodh or Vodh and most likely it would be Wodh with a W.

00:09:29.120 The V sound seems to be a later addition or a transition in the 10th century to 12th century in Europe, especially in Germany.

00:09:42.840 but woe seems to have a root towards fury and the idea of furious mental state furious uh maybe even

00:09:52.220 a climate state or um even a state of of psychosis within certain situations whether it's in poetic

00:10:01.820 or singing of runic songs or being in battle and experiencing that kind of sense of uh fury and

00:10:09.880 inspiration and or confusion mixed in the two, I think. A kind of a moment of clarity

00:10:16.760 so focused that everything else seems to disappear. So you become, I shouldn't say

00:10:25.080 confusion, but maybe unawareness of the big picture and a hyper focus on the moment or the

00:10:31.900 central focus of time. And it seems to be that from expanding from that, we have the idea of

00:10:38.920 consciousness in humans uh within you know the folk as he is the god of hyper consciousness

00:10:48.520 um so when we when we talk about woe in that hyper conscious state we're referring to that

00:10:56.600 deep focus um yeah so i mean when we're we talk about woldenaz uh there's differences

00:11:07.320 in the possibility at the end there i know that woe obviously seems to be connected to fury and

00:11:12.680 inspiration it survives in uh old norse's older or older and it's it that means furiousness um

00:11:21.560 if uh if you see somebody who's older like in icelandic it's like somebody with a fist and

00:11:27.000 they're hyper ready to go um and you know there's a sense of caution to the word too

00:11:34.440 So, I mean, this could relegate to the idea of both hyper-focus and hyper-consciousness on memorizing poetic singing rune songs or also all the way down and into the, you know, the Berserker or the Ulfhiedner and their preparations for battle or the battle itself.

00:11:56.520 So I think that that part is covered when we think of Wothe, but the Anas part, too, is interesting.

00:12:05.060 There's been some theories as to, like, whether the A-S or A-Z, most likely the farthest that I can go back is the A-S, like, suffix of the Goths, the Gutens.

00:12:19.460 excuse me the guttons were more uh they they um often put an as at the end so um correlating the

00:12:28.840 differences between masculine and feminine seem to be correlated in that uh and also to the idea

00:12:35.640 that um people have proposed that the as or as at the end is kind of where we get the word

00:12:41.840 Aus in the late Nordic period. So, Wolven Aus or Wolve Aus kind of being led to that as the furious

00:12:53.760 divine one. So, I mean, name structure, I think, is important because we understand and begin to

00:13:03.920 relate to him through our language first and foremost.

00:13:08.960 And when we start this, we have our branch, the Germanic branch,

00:13:13.720 and we need to try to understand everything about it in correlation to him through our language.

00:13:21.040 I think that's important. I think that's one of his highest functions.

00:13:24.340 So when we talk about sounds and we talk about runes or the symbols of sounds,

00:13:28.780 language is probably the first place to start with trying to build relationship with

00:13:35.700 him. All right. So let's, let's pause for a second. I think it was

00:13:41.740 a very good idea to start with our understanding of what a God is and what a God isn't.

00:13:51.920 and I think is a really good second step is understanding the name and the implications

00:14:00.360 of the name. But on that first step, I'm trying to think of the best way to start it. With so much

00:14:12.100 of the conversation tonight, it's difficult to know where to start. And I think that's an issue

00:14:18.000 without the truths of faith in general, it's so all-encompassing that it's hard to pick a

00:14:22.500 good starting point and work from it. As far as what the gods are, they are the source of our

00:14:32.080 existence. And in that sense, they are our most ancient of ancestors. But what I think is

00:14:40.680 fundamental to our practice is that the gods are our beings they exist they have personality they

00:14:50.200 have will they have emotion they have the things that make a person have personness

00:14:56.840 and the fundamental on that isn't

00:15:00.760 isn't the silliness of needing sky daddy the fundamental is of that is

00:15:08.000 the participation in a gift cycle and the gift cycle is the the very root of our ritual structure

00:15:16.500 be it within our social group be it involving our ancestors and and ultimately and perhaps

00:15:25.000 most profoundly in our relationship with the gods in order for

00:15:30.040 if the gods were just some kind of psychic function or archetype or

00:15:39.420 something devoid of personality then the gift cycle lacks meaning

00:15:44.980 and at that point it becomes a science project when we're dealing with beings and persons who

00:15:53.740 have personality, then the gift cycle is fundamentalism and is everything. Building

00:15:59.900 bonds through relationship, through devotion, through making offerings and through receiving

00:16:05.860 offerings and blessings is at its very core what Arian faith is and what it's about. And so that

00:16:13.960 the discussion is, we don't have a point to discuss unless we can establish that fundamental

00:16:23.380 that the perspective we are coming from is that our gods are real and exist, and they exist as

00:16:30.560 persons with personality and with will. And I think that's extremely important. And I just

00:16:37.320 wanted to make sure we hammer that home a little bit before we get a little deeper into

00:16:42.600 what Odin's name is and what that means. Svon, in the most simple breakdown,

00:16:51.240 down, what, how would you explain what the name Odin translates to?

00:17:01.140 I would say

00:17:04.160 it translates to fury projected into

00:17:14.260 mankind, his consciousness, his soul, and the willful manifestation of action and fury within

00:17:27.360 the cosmos. Seeing the dynamicism of woe than makes me, leads me to believe that that function,

00:17:35.380 That root word, woe, that is what he greatly represents as he functions through these.

00:17:47.020 Whether we're looking at stories, whether we're looking at personal events, things that people have had happen to them or their workings with certain things, I would say would always kind of denote that there is a sense of fury.

00:18:04.060 But the fury isn't necessarily something I would say it would be akin to the furious motion of falling suddenly, the kind of this quick and absolute rush of power, whether it's internally in the mind or whether it's externally as as he moves and does things.

00:18:25.500 I think it's fundamental when we're talking about this that folks, we run into this a lot, that language, and certainly language as it's come down to us today, lacks some of the depth and breadth required to express metaphysical or deeply spiritual things.

00:18:48.420 In this context, for everybody listening, fury is synonymous with ecstasy, is synonymous with overwhelming inspiration.

00:19:02.320 Everything that Svan said is absolutely correct.

00:19:05.660 um I when when asked myself to translate I take Odin's name to mean the uh the master of inspiration

00:19:18.220 or the master of the fury the master of that ecstasy and I think that that points to the will

00:19:25.720 that Svan talked about the will to fury so when I talk about mastery mastery implies

00:19:31.700 command of or willful execution of. And so I think those are our fundamentals in understanding

00:19:40.200 the All-Father and in starting on the right page of that understanding.

00:19:45.360 And it seems that the ecstasy seems to also correlate to the idea of speed. That may be

00:19:52.500 why it means furious. Furiousness is a suddenness, a great and overwhelming quickness of a sudden

00:20:00.200 inspiration or a sudden realization of action that needs to be done. And that correlates pretty

00:20:07.920 clearly with Odin's aspect as, you know, the chooser of the slain. When we're talking about

00:20:15.500 these moments of battle, that would really, you know, the sudden and quickness of things,

00:20:21.200 how things happen. But it can, it applies, I think, more so to, yes, consciousness and that

00:20:27.900 suddenness and there's a certain notion of speed so i think that's why fury it does get

00:20:33.860 misconstrued but it also fits it's ecstatically fast moment of either a mental or physical

00:20:42.800 initiation or um uh inspiration slash uh willful manifest to do something

00:20:54.280 all coalescing in it in perfect timing i it's kind of hard to explain that but to say like the

00:21:01.580 furious god people could take that in a lot of ways and there are there's a lot of lore that

00:21:07.380 would suggest fury just as in the power and anger uh fury as it denotes in our in our language

00:21:14.740 could apply but it's deeper than that all right well and so i assume that most of our audience

00:21:21.840 has a familiarity with odin already so i don't think that any of these shows that we do on our

00:21:26.480 gods are going to be comprehensive but they're a good starting point to um to see where the

00:21:32.960 audience is going to take us and what questions might come up and for the audience you guys can

00:21:37.040 ask anything you like but in specific we're focusing on uh odin tonight we'll happily answer

00:21:43.440 any other random stuff as well and we'll we'll make our way through it and if any so we're going

00:21:49.680 to kind of stop at the times we want and go back in and take questions that we have if you want to

00:21:55.360 bump those to as soon as we're done with a statement we'll shuffle them right in go ahead

00:22:00.000 and throw us uh throw us a super chat and we'll make sure that gets the front of line and take

00:22:04.320 some precedence um sarah asks odin has many different names can you speak on this and what

00:22:12.800 perhaps the reason is for that. Do you have ideas on that Svon?

00:22:18.080 Oh, absolutely. First and foremost, when we're talking about the late Nordic period,

00:22:24.240 we have to remember that the scalds, the shields of the Anglo-Saxons and the scalds of the late

00:22:33.680 Nordic period, it's worth noting that I think the biggest, most pivotal thing for them was the

00:22:41.360 the understanding of the divine inspiration that was given from Odin through Kvasir's blood or

00:22:48.920 Kvasir's blood. And so when you have that connective point and it is seen culturally

00:22:58.140 that when they're speaking, they're speaking in a divine sense that the higher and the better

00:23:03.280 that they speak, they have this power over the audience. They have this kind of pinnacle sense

00:23:08.900 And they are more than just mere entertainment in the hall.

00:23:14.800 It's pretty well understood that not only are they pulling from lore, but they're also committing to memory, these names.

00:23:26.160 So I'm not saying that the Skalds created the names entirely.

00:23:29.220 Maybe some of them for sure.

00:23:30.300 But they commit them to memory with great reason, because in a lot of ways, their their poetic sense was a devotional act in and of itself.

00:23:41.860 And so having the committed memory of all of the Haiti of Odin is, I think, incentive.

00:23:50.620 They have motive. And in a lot of things, I mean, I've even heard of people committing to like saying all of the haiti as a meditative form of like almost like a mantra in which they recite out the names of and all the names and haiti of Odin.

00:24:07.040 Um, so, and you can see this in, in the, uh, in the Skel-Drapismal, where they talk about the different names of the gods, but, and clearly, and in Grimnismal, where they talk about Odin and specifics having multiple Haitis, the multiple names, um, and all of them diluting to, or not diluting, but alluding to, um, different functions, whether it's oski, which means the wish, or the word wish, or to give of wishes.

00:24:37.040 Or even Yggr, Y-G-G-R, where we get Yggdrasil, you know, it's terrible. 0.92

00:24:46.040 Or Bolvork, you know, bale worker.

00:24:48.820 All of these names seem to have both syncretic function in the story or they're listed and 0.93

00:24:57.100 committed to memory because the Skalds are devoting their mental space to memorizing these

00:25:07.660 Haithi and showing the different aspects and knowing how high he had a place within

00:25:13.100 the poetic circles. It would give reason as to why they were known more than, say,

00:25:18.780 perhaps other haitis so when you look at names like uh odin's high in poetry but not high in

00:25:28.860 names thor is high in names when you see the the folk they name their children thorstein or

00:25:36.220 you know thorpeyarn um or something of that nature there's a lot of usage of thor in children's names

00:25:43.420 But there isn't a lot in Odin's name.

00:25:47.020 And perhaps maybe they make allusions to other heites, but the only one that comes to my mind right off the bat is Odindis, which was a woman's name and saying she's a maiden of Odin.

00:25:58.920 It's not used a lot.

00:25:59.900 So we can look at poetic names, physical names, and place names.

00:26:05.980 And I think that's important.

00:26:06.900 And there's a lot of place names dedicated to Odin that would show application and popularity, perhaps, in the Old Norse.

00:26:15.320 But the reason why it's crystal clear in the poetics is because the Skalds are one of the top-tier devotional folks of Odin, the followers.

00:26:30.860 I think they were the premier cult of Odin at their time.

00:26:34.120 And there may have been other cults of Odin previously. And when we talk about like hound cults or wolf cults and things like that, or battle cults, and we could go into that. But we know at the time, especially with later Nordic periods and the things that Snorty was pulling from, it was the skulls that were probably the last and final true strong cult of any of the gods of the folk.

00:27:04.120 I think that when we deal with the names of our gods, when we deal with the imagery that attends our gods,

00:27:19.220 and when we deal with all of the other names our gods are known by,

00:27:25.240 that's very much a story of the relationship of our folk to our divinity.

00:27:31.940 and what that looks like words are all about communication and what that evokes and over the

00:27:45.780 lifespan of the Aryan race of man our people have encountered Odin in

00:27:55.980 a myriad ways at different points in their life and different circumstances. It's one of the 0.76

00:28:03.560 things when Svan was talking to us a little bit about the name that was implied in it was the

00:28:10.180 dynamicism, was all of the diverse facets that make up this just amazing and mysterious and

00:28:21.760 fascinating God. He is each of those things and he is all of those things. And he shows one face

00:28:30.700 to his friends and one face to his foes. I would further posit that at no point in time did he

00:28:40.160 appear in the flesh before, you know, ancient haplogroup ancestor of ours and say, hi, my name's

00:28:49.180 Ovin. I think that us referring to that God by that name is part of that process of how we know

00:28:57.800 him and what we know of him. And so I think that says a lot about the relationship our ancestors

00:29:04.740 had with him and the role he played in their life and in their and in their cultures.

00:29:13.120 It's kind of random. I don't know if it really relates to the question, but one of the things

00:29:17.460 that I think is a particularly profound aspect of our relationship with Odin is that he is

00:29:27.160 the god of kings. And we have other gods that in different parts of Europe serve a similar

00:29:34.720 function, but I would say more royal houses than any other trace that lineage back to Odin as the

00:29:41.880 the sire of that line, and do so even well, well into Christian times.

00:29:50.020 Very late, the kings of Spain would trace their lineage back to Oven. For all I know,

00:29:59.500 the current House of Spain might as well, I'm not sure, but it's really surprising at the

00:30:05.900 breadth of that and how long that lineage kept on even after our gods, the worship of our gods

00:30:12.960 has fallen out of fashion. So I think that's worth mentioning. Brandy says, the gentlemen

00:30:19.740 look dashing tonight. Thank you for that. Any recommendations on where to shop event clothes

00:30:25.500 for the menfolk? Yes, I do. I asked Nick to be able to throw it up on here, suitsoutlets.com.

00:30:36.700 I like to look good, but I also like to find a deal.

00:30:40.220 Deals are on that site.

00:30:41.580 It's a good place to get a good value.

00:30:43.780 I'll say this, I'm shaped oddly.

00:30:48.760 For different reasons, different people have shapes and sizes

00:30:53.280 that don't necessarily conform to off-the-rack stuff.

00:30:58.120 So what I've found is I can get a very low-priced suit on there.

00:31:02.060 I can take it to my tailor, invest in getting it to where it fits me right. It looks good. I feel

00:31:10.120 good. And all in all, all in, I still come out with a very good price per suit. And I found a

00:31:16.980 lot of luck with that. It's got a lot of different styles, a lot of different stuff. Again, it's got

00:31:21.180 sizes to accommodate, you know, be you muscular, if you are large around the middle, if perhaps

00:31:32.800 you have other freakish proportions, whatever the case may be, you can find something there

00:31:40.120 that's going to fit you. And I recommend it. It's where I get my suits. That is my recommendation.

00:31:45.420 let's say you, Svon. I think there is a cultural forming or formative nature that's coming out,

00:31:56.200 I think, in the AFA. A lot of the men folks seem to really be akin to wearing colored solid shirts.

00:32:03.720 That's just my observation, and I like it. I think it's really great. I've noticed that a lot

00:32:08.740 of folks um within our our folk or within our tribe within our people uh like to wear you know

00:32:16.440 whether it's you know lighter pastels during ostera or heavy reds and and blues and things

00:32:23.120 like that so i found um the van hausen brand seems to have a great myriad of colors and solids and

00:32:30.460 their their shirts are really good and they have a lot of different sizes for different size people

00:32:34.880 um i think you know as far as suits go i've always done it's a kind of a it's a very big

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00:32:56.720 how it's spelled elaine du petit and they sell great great suits um they're cheap in the sense

00:33:04.580 that they're, again, if you're looking to buy something quickly, you know, I would work up

00:33:10.120 towards higher price ones. But if you're looking at something quickly, that's a place to definitely

00:33:15.240 look. They've got double breasted. They got single breasted. You just have to make sure 1.00

00:33:18.940 their size charts, check their size charts. But, you know, I sent the measurements on my tapes

00:33:25.560 and they hit it right off the bat. And I think it's important, like you said, with the tailor,

00:33:30.780 make sure you got a tailor on hand there's no no suit that's really going to ever fit you

00:33:37.700 perfectly until you get it to a tailor there's some that get hit the mark pretty close

00:33:42.600 but having a tailor on hand i'm very lucky i'm i'm in a military town so i have um there's tons

00:33:48.600 of tailors everywhere we can't throw a stick without hitting somebody that's working on

00:33:52.020 uniforms or dress uniforms and things of that nature so anybody that is in the military or

00:33:57.840 near a military town is worth looking to see if there's tailors nearby a couple of other things

00:34:04.300 if you fit more off the rack stuff um i've always been a fan of going to burlington's coat factory

00:34:11.580 and getting those um shirts that'll come with a tie and sometimes matching cuff links they look

00:34:19.200 nice they're sharp they come in a variety of colors um i've always been a big fan of that

00:34:25.400 I've got to where the shirts just don't quite fit me right, or I'd still do that.

00:34:29.620 I've gotten some cool ties that way that just match up and look neat.

00:34:34.260 Thrift stores are always a good choice.

00:34:36.820 Yeah, they've got great stuff.

00:34:38.160 You can get a lot of stuff.

00:34:39.440 You can get really unique stuff, and no telling what you can get.

00:34:43.640 It's kind of a fun adventure, and it's always dirt cheap.

00:34:48.740 By all means, if you want to invest a lot of money in fine clothing, please do.

00:34:53.020 but if you're under the assumption that to look nice and to dress in more formal clothing has to

00:34:59.740 be expensive, I promise you it really doesn't. Your band t-shirt and nice pair of jeans are much

00:35:08.560 more expensive than any of the outfits that I wear. Invest in shirt stays too. That's a Marine

00:35:15.100 Corps thing for me. Get a shirt stay, pulls your shirt down, makes you look like you got your stuff

00:35:22.120 together there you go and if you need headgear boston scally is always done right by me in the

00:35:29.320 afa we we have a lot of the gentlemen enjoy their their hats they're a good looking hat they fit

00:35:35.000 good i'm a fan um king of cheese here's a starting place drink of choice i kid i'm excited for this

00:35:44.600 so drink of choice um he's gonna run with it anyways as a general rule pina colada is the

00:35:51.720 drink of choice and anybody who says the thing different is wrong um although i add a caveat i

00:35:57.880 had a cocktail recently that is called a horchata colada and it's pina colada mixed with horchata

00:36:05.240 that's over the top that's amazing i i don't know if that can be beat but uh as far as standard

00:36:11.320 fair pina colada that's that's that's what i'm gonna go with what do you got svan i uh i don't

00:36:17.000 know a lot of people that are close to me know no i don't i don't drink anymore um so i don't really

00:36:24.440 have a drink of choice except for maybe like death wish coffee um i like them um uh as far as

00:36:31.560 i'm gonna out this um spawn drinks the miami cola flavor of bang and that's a terrible choice

00:36:41.560 but i just thought i put it out there that does happen i've seen it if there's any more proof

00:36:47.000 that I'm willing to go to the depths of any extreme

00:36:52.000 is because I'm dead inside and I drink Miami cola.

00:36:57.080 It just reminds me of a flat RC cola.

00:37:00.780 Yeah, doesn't it?

00:37:01.660 No, I was always a very big, when I was drinking,

00:37:06.860 I was a gin drinker, predominant.

00:37:11.260 And again, many people would say

00:37:13.300 that's because you're dead inside

00:37:14.800 because it's so so wretchedly bitter but um and of course too i used to brew so i used to brew a

00:37:23.900 lot of mead and i'm familiar with all the all of these things um you know making uh homemade

00:37:29.700 stuff the whether it was mead or or ciders hard ciders and things like that so i'm very familiar

00:37:35.420 with all of that but yeah our producer nick is has taken inappropriate liberties with our banner

00:37:43.040 system and stated that miami cola is better than whole lot of chocolata it is not um chocolate

00:37:50.920 flavored bang is it's a bold choice it's an it's it's an odd choice but i was really surprised

00:37:57.520 it's pretty delicious um if you have not tried it you should it's better than miami cola no matter

00:38:03.380 what nick says that being said cory would like to know what is your again with hijacking the banners

00:38:14.500 what is your favorite story of the gods and why uh svan what what's your favorite story of the gods

00:38:21.940 and why uh right out the gate i i really the balust bow is uh is just the it it has everything it is

00:38:37.300 everything as far as the poetics of it the beginning the middle the end

00:38:42.740 it's all there and it's all under the precepts of odin you know

00:38:51.940 raising the vala and and forcing her to speak and that is just such poetically powerful stuff

00:39:02.500 that i would say the velaspa is probably my favorite um i do enjoy um some of the other uh

00:39:11.940 side books where they they you know talk in story format more than poetic format um and so

00:39:20.180 So, you know, I greatly enjoy like Northern Pathways by Douglas Rossman and Northern Mythology by A.N.E. Leary or Cleary.

00:39:30.440 I always forget their names. Two sisters from the early 1900s that wrote in a very beautiful way.

00:39:36.300 They talked about the gods in great majesty. They talked about Frigga living in a crystal salon.

00:39:42.920 They use the word salon. So they use old words that were kind of more readily understood in the early 1900s.

00:39:49.160 And they just paint a majesty of the gods that I think really is wonderful.

00:39:55.900 It's beautiful.

00:39:56.540 And they have a cross between an Arthurian feeling and just grand, high medieval poetics when they talk about the gods and they talk about Balder and the shadow of death upon his heart and all of these things.

00:40:14.960 Just so beautiful.

00:40:17.060 So those two I really like as well.

00:40:19.160 you know i i wish i had an amazing uh amazing answer on this uh i don't it may sound like kind

00:40:36.020 of a cop-out but i like the velust bow as well i like the imagery that it has of the ordering of

00:40:44.140 things um as far as a specifically god story uh but a story that includes our gods that i really

00:40:55.580 like is the new blungan league the new blungan lead i like that much better than i like the

00:41:01.420 volsung saga just stylistically because it's told in this high medieval over the top

00:41:07.820 very grand scale and very grand layout and specifically the beginning of that when they

00:41:16.220 when they talk about the gods I think has done very well and sets up the heroic epic of our folk

00:41:23.860 in a really cool way so I know that's not really the question you asked but I'm gonna put it out

00:41:29.100 there anyway um brandy says have either the else harry gothi or whitten harrell ever had a personal

00:41:42.340 experience with odin in bloat or personal circumstance that they would be willing to share

00:41:48.400 it's fun step up to the plate what do you got for us

00:41:53.380 oh, a personal experience. Um, okay. Uh, this one is kind of hard for me in the sense that I've

00:42:04.980 always brought a sense of trying to logically reckon the situation I'm in. Um, uh, it's a

00:42:15.420 habit. It's sometimes a bad habit, I think, uh, because it doesn't allow me to open up fully.

00:42:19.900 um i've had a couple of experiences uh in runic things um uh receiving um

00:42:29.500 auspices during runes runic things like that um i think also to having a visual i've had

00:42:36.840 one moment of a visual something i was very young and i i was scared half the death of of an

00:42:43.420 of something standing across a lake from me uh that was very tall and and dark shadowed and

00:42:50.360 just clearly made of cloth or something moving across the way but there was nothing over there

00:42:55.280 there would be no reason for anything man-made to be over there and there wasn't there when the

00:42:58.940 light was on like the sunlight and everything was was out uh suddenly there was this um

00:43:06.720 presence, but I can say both, uh, through a dream and also an interesting thing that

00:43:15.240 happened quite recently. Um, uh, firstly through the dream when I was very, I was,

00:43:20.680 I was young as a teenager, mid teens, 16, 17. I had a dream, uh, in which I can remember quite

00:43:27.820 vividly. I was, um, I was, I was little in the dream. I was a young child. And I remember because

00:43:33.500 i looked down upon myself and saw a shirt that i had worn um when i was little and i mean perhaps

00:43:39.980 that's a echo of the time looking down at that shirt when i was a child but in the dream it was

00:43:44.540 pretty clear and that's what indicated to me that i was a child and um i was standing upon a road

00:43:51.820 and the road was enclosed with branches that kind of formed almost like a roof along the road

00:43:57.580 and i couldn't see the end of the road and suddenly as soon as i kind of began to digest

00:44:04.860 that i was a child and that i was standing on this road then i understood that there was a

00:44:09.500 presence next to me um and i saw a hand an older or an elder hand um and i remember it very clear

00:44:17.580 And as I looked up, I couldn't make out a face and just the sense of like an older, wise, very powerful presence.

00:44:32.660 And there was a voice and the voice said, are you ready?

00:44:36.840 And I said, yes.

00:44:38.480 And then I was kind of urged to walk the road.

00:44:42.680 it was kind of like a hand grabbing my hand and just going to to move down the road wasn't walking

00:44:51.120 with me it was just kind of an initiation of it like okay begin and then that was i woke up from

00:44:56.900 that and that was one dream um and then recently i i held uh bloat to odin and this is a more

00:45:05.960 roundabout because there's no direct presence, but I was, I was asking Odin that if, you know,

00:45:13.280 if I, if, if I am to, if I am to go in a direction, if I am on this road or, and I've referenced this

00:45:21.560 dream often when I talk to Odin in prayer, if I'm on the correct path, if I could get some

00:45:29.980 kind of lending of the idea of whether I'm going in a wrong direction or a right direction,

00:45:35.180 confirmation if you will anything uh and i left myself open for it and i wasn't demanding anything

00:45:42.360 and um so i left my my shop and uh in the parking lot in the middle of the summer and the wind is

00:45:49.660 out and all of these things i find three black feathers in the parking lot and um i thought that

00:45:58.220 was pretty interesting and i didn't quite get to the blow on i just oh there's these feathers and

00:46:03.960 I picked them up and they were all from the same bird and I didn't fully know but I have a website

00:46:12.300 that I go to to identify feathers and I looked it up and it seems to the crow American crow

00:46:22.020 corvid and I was I was like wow this is amazing three and they're in the middle of the parking

00:46:27.520 lot they're right next to my car but the the story got even deeper than that I was visited by my wife

00:46:33.160 earlier that day and she had a story of her own when I showed up with these three feathers

00:46:39.040 she was the one that threw those feathers into the parking lot and that's because she was house

00:46:45.760 sitting for a dear friend of hers and she's a naturalist and she has a um an actual crow's nest

00:46:53.740 in her backyard along a waterway um in the Chester Bay and this crow had taken residence

00:47:02.380 there and was known to, you know, groom and sell for herself and drop feathers. And, and when,

00:47:09.360 um, when she was talking on the phone with this woman, she, the woman said, uh, yeah, you know,

00:47:14.500 if you find any feathers, you can give them to Svan and, uh, maybe he'll like them. So she went

00:47:18.920 out there and she picked up three feathers that, that, uh, she never expounded on whether there

00:47:23.400 were any more or if these were just the best looking ones, but she picked up three feathers

00:47:27.060 And and then she left from the house sitting and suddenly there was a series of kind of miss or unfortunate events, not to my wife, but surrounding people that she knew.

00:47:42.860 There was, you know, there was a fatality had happened and there was all of these things kind of hitting her communication wise where she was finding out a series of kind of strange events.

00:47:55.320 and suddenly it kind of hit her by the time she got my shop that maybe i shouldn't give these to

00:48:01.240 smog maybe there's some sort of correlation of like an ill omen and so she had picked up the

00:48:06.440 three feathers and threw them out into the parking lot um aiming for the grass and hoping that the

00:48:12.840 wind would just kind of scatter them and let them go but they didn't they were right next to the

00:48:16.760 driver's head of my car and when she told me this and how they came to be there and how they were

00:48:23.160 absolutely crow feathers and she had come across them i i um and of course the number three being

00:48:29.720 very significant for me in correlation to odin i took this as an auspicious sign um that i i had

00:48:39.080 been in the right direction she i i don't know if the the feathers correlated to the ill omens that

00:48:46.240 she received but the feeling was was there for her and she kind of just let them go but they found me

00:48:51.120 anyways. So yeah, I appreciate you sharing, sharing those with us. It's there's a reluctance

00:49:07.580 oftentimes to share spiritual experiences. And I want folks to understand that if you encounter

00:49:16.200 that in the AFA, it's not due to a lack of experiences or due to, you know, the AFA doesn't

00:49:26.320 do that kind of stuff. It's much more an issue of reverence and a fear of being impious.

00:49:35.480 We don't want to ever be overly casual about those things. And we don't want, we're very

00:49:42.900 careful, or we try to be, not to unjustifiably put words into the mouth of the gods and take

00:49:53.260 liberties in that way. Especially our gothar who have responsibilities in that regard and who are

00:49:59.320 listened to. We don't want to misuse that spot to, I don't know, to try to,

00:50:06.860 i don't know we don't want to ever use the gods as a tool to legitimize things

00:50:15.240 so we want to be very careful with that um i have

00:50:20.840 i have had numerous um pretty powerful experiences i feel in bloat to odin um

00:50:32.660 the subtle there are a lot of subtle things a lot of animal sign um bird sign and whatnot

00:50:45.600 um a lot of things that way um a couple of of recent things and then kind of my

00:50:55.260 my little bit bigger deal one um a number of of bloats i've done at odenshoff

00:51:07.020 uh i believe all to oh then when this has occurred have had

00:51:16.140 a blue energy that's only captured on people's cameras

00:51:21.580 from lots of different cameras at different moments that is

00:51:29.260 around me and amongst me and interacting with me during the bloat.

00:51:37.680 I don't know what that is. I don't know. I don't know any of the number of things that might debunk

00:51:45.820 that but it seems very significant in its timing and in what it's doing during those times and i

00:51:54.220 take that to be really significant um this last charming of the plow in washington um

00:52:05.260 we're doing it at a at a rented camp so it wasn't you know there's no permanent uh worship space

00:52:11.340 there so we had to find a flat spot that was kind of in a you know rough parking lot area and uh

00:52:18.940 it was icy and we go out there and the winds howling and whipping around and stuff's going on

00:52:25.420 and so we proceed to uh to start oven bloat um and right as i start the bloat

00:52:34.380 So, I'm looking around and realizing the need for a tine to asperge with, an evergreen sprig to asperge with.

00:52:49.920 A gust of wind picks up and rips off the perfect size sprig of evergreen that floats down and lands right at my feet at that moment.

00:53:01.080 And it was it felt very significant to me.

00:53:06.840 And I think other people in the circle had a reaction to that as well.

00:53:10.700 And then the most profound experience like that, weird in the in the appropriate use of the term experience like that that I had was at Ostara 2017.

00:53:31.080 I officially became the Ausheri Goethe of the Astro Folk Assembly at mid-summer of 2016, but unofficially my time leading our church started around Ostara of 2016.

00:53:48.500 And a lot of that was behind the scenes things to structure a smooth transition when it was time.

00:53:56.520 But that's when I really took the reins of things and.

00:54:02.260 I was under a lot of pressure at that time, and I don't.

00:54:07.760 I don't say that for pity or for sympathy, you know, that pressure was because I'm literally the most fortunate man in the entire world and the most blessed man in the entire world.

00:54:17.060 So I don't begrudge any of that, but it was still a lot of pressure. It was a lot of responsibility. And I was at a at a moment in time where there was very real fear and concern that with that transition, the AFA might crumble.

00:54:36.840 um that all of this that i think at the at that point 21 years were put into it it could all come

00:54:45.860 crashing down if i didn't do the right things or if i you know made one false move and and the whole

00:54:52.420 the whole thing might might collapse and so i was feeling a lot of that weight and a lot of that

00:54:57.180 responsibility and i was trying i was trying with every ounce of myself to do the right thing

00:55:06.720 to keep this up, to be worthy of the gods, worthy of leading our folk,

00:55:13.460 just not to screw anything up and to do the right things.

00:55:17.500 And so this is marking the kind of complete year cycle of this that I was going through.

00:55:23.020 And, you know, numerous people were there that were very close to me that I felt supported me on this.

00:55:30.820 As a matter of fact, I just got done getting a haircut from Svan here.

00:55:35.860 And I walked out to the circle and people were ready for us to do us to do some.

00:55:44.480 And so I was, you know, collecting myself and getting my thoughts together and I was standing up to bless the horn and.

00:55:53.220 Someone put their hand on my shoulder and, you know, I think we're familiar with that feeling of somebody putting their hand on your shoulder and like just kind of reassuring a little reassuring, squeeze, shake your shoulder.

00:56:03.420 You got this.

00:56:05.860 and it was really well timed and i it meant a lot to me and at the time i assumed it was alan

00:56:12.020 and i turned around and was going to you know give him a nod and thank him for that because it was

00:56:17.940 really really appreciated gesture but there was nobody in arms reaching me there was nobody anywhere

00:56:25.620 close to uh behind me at that moment and to this day it is my sincere belief that that was the hand

00:56:32.580 of the Allfather. I don't mean it was like a hand was on my shoulder, or it felt like a hand was on

00:56:41.680 my shoulder, or I sensed with every fiber of my being, a hand was on my shoulder. I felt every

00:56:51.060 bit of it just like, you know, like I said, I'd assumed it was Alan. But to this day, I believe

00:56:59.540 that was the Allfather, and I feel very, very blessed for that experience.

00:57:08.060 King of Cheese, Matt Svan, I've heard that Odin is the sort of god you don't want the attention of,

00:57:16.020 that having his, him actually focus on you is disastrous. How true do you think that is?

00:57:24.500 What are your thoughts, Svan?

00:57:25.800 well that definitely has merit um if we're talking about the lore if we're talking about

00:57:35.880 the the sagas uh and we're talking about uh our ancestors and the way that they portrayed

00:57:43.560 especially in the late nordic period their relationship with ovin it most certainly held a

00:57:51.560 dangerous element, if you will. I mean, there's plenty of, um, you know, examples of this. Um,

00:57:59.560 and I was looking at the question earlier and I wanted, I was kind of rifling through my notes.

00:58:03.720 Um, there's a lot of examples of this and I think it comes from first and foremost,

00:58:11.340 it is Oven who is the swiftest to claim the price of his blessings. And that's a really important

00:58:19.420 thing to focus on. The blessings are given. The blessings are received. But oftentimes,

00:58:27.660 if there is a reclamation, it is swift. And again, we bring back to fury. We bring back to

00:58:36.300 the suddenness of dynamicism and movement in his name. So it wouldn't be far off to understand that

00:58:43.580 That swiftness could be easily directed at us or of that nature.

00:58:48.500 And so that can be a bit terrifying.

00:58:50.660 And there is a lot of accounts in which that is, you know, said, even in the Havamau. 0.99

00:58:58.280 In the Havamau, in 110, I know that Odin swore a ring oath, but who can trust his troth? 0.99

00:59:08.300 He swindled Suttungur and took Sambalmead from him and left Gunloth to weep. 0.93

00:59:16.180 So there is a sense of the idea that there is a price oftentimes associated.

00:59:25.260 Again, Sigurd's father.

00:59:29.120 And in the time of his reclamation in which he,

00:59:33.520 it's in the story is said that he you know he sees Odin on the battlefield and he attempts to

00:59:40.440 to block him and it shatters his sword um and and then he is taken and he he it takes a while

00:59:47.200 for him to die because he does have a conversation with his wife uh in order to beset the next part

00:59:53.040 the legacy with Sigurd. There's also King Vicar and his mother, Gerhildr, he says to her, you know,

01:00:08.720 that, you know, I want what's in between your bernie, your armor, and your body. And it was

01:00:18.200 kind of alluded to the idea that he wanted her dress, but that was not the case. She was full

01:00:22.720 with child and so he wanted her child and there there's an air of kind of mystery and and a little

01:00:30.180 there's that sense of fear in relation to i think um oh then when we talk about his attentions uh

01:00:39.040 for the longest time i know um people that you know especially in early i was sure the idea was

01:00:44.340 not to place a valve knot on your body um with reckless abandon but that that would in essence

01:00:51.860 bind you or fetter you to the machinations of what Odin had in store for the folk in order to

01:00:59.420 stave off the end the doom of the gods and the doom of the folk so this this put you in a

01:01:05.860 precarious situation and there had to be a precept that you were willing to give yourself up to that

01:01:13.320 and so um you know there's a lot of people that have talked about the not not having the

01:01:19.140 significance that we place upon it, but, you know, the symbols and the significance have

01:01:25.080 absolute validity within the time frame that they're used. And so I take that as a high mark.

01:01:34.700 So, you know, seeing how the Christians dealt with Odin amongst the folk and demonizing him,

01:01:41.280 and even kind of in the transitionary stages between the elder and the foreign faith that 0.80

01:01:49.020 was coming from rome and ultimately beyond that they they they greatly kind of extended

01:01:56.480 the concept that he was a a god of ill omen and um was not to be spoken of i have met many

01:02:05.140 theodish practitioners who don't speak of him um openly uh and again this has connections to the

01:02:14.240 idea of Hammingya and of our connections to luck and to weird. And, and I think to our, ultimately

01:02:20.480 to our fate or our dooms and the judgment of his ability to, you know, call on that price. And so

01:02:28.740 I, that, that era mystery there, I think is important as a, a dynamicism of our relationship

01:02:37.240 with him is that the, the, the reclamation can be swift. And oftentimes when we see his

01:02:42.340 machinations we wonder the goodness in them because we can only see the emotional investment

01:02:48.840 of the moment without seeing the grand picture which is what makes Odin so powerful is that

01:02:54.620 his perspective is from the grand to the micro and we are often of the micro and missing the grand

01:03:01.060 so um as far as uh understanding too that he's not always seen as a boogeyman that uh he's

01:03:10.140 oftentimes seen. And it is worth noting, you know, joyous, the wish giver, and is happy with the

01:03:16.780 folk and the gods when they attain things and speak gloriousness of the gods and of the folk

01:03:22.940 or attain deeds. So not entirely, but it is certainly there in my opinion of it all.

01:03:30.620 So. I think this approach is another fundamental that's really important for us to understand when talking about our gods and our relationship to them.

01:03:47.400 And that's what counts and what doesn't in a authoritative sense.

01:04:00.620 Our. So I said earlier, our our lore is a story of our people's ancient relationship with the gods and how the gods were revealed to them in the collective knowledge of our folk soul as relates to these gods.

01:04:20.620 um it's very important to realize that as a living faith we are still adding to that corpus

01:04:32.680 we are still part of that developing saga of the relationship between us and our gods

01:04:41.320 um there's a tendency to

01:04:47.680 place um disproportionate amounts of stock in ancient lore at the cost of modern lore and

01:05:00.280 modern experience and i don't want to discount ancient lore at all certainly it's it's sacred

01:05:06.580 and it's immensely valuable to us but i just want to say that we have no belief that

01:05:16.440 you know odin rode down on slepner and handed some tablets to some guy in the desert that

01:05:24.500 wrote down his divine commandments that's not our god that's not how that works

01:05:29.040 at some point this lore was codified and put down by the gothar and the elders of our uh

01:05:37.660 our ancient ancestors and they could they use their collective knowledge now some of that could

01:05:46.720 have come from many things I don't discount that some of that could have come from visions or from

01:05:51.060 divine inspiration certainly but the interpretation of that and the codifying of that

01:05:57.320 was done by the the learned men and the priests of the time to to encapsulate these this wisdom

01:06:04.920 in the stories for us and we're still part of that today um if we believe that the gothar of

01:06:15.880 700 had the authority to codify these stories and to

01:06:23.880 um to offer insight into the nature of the gods

01:06:31.160 then certainly our gothar today have a similar authority to to do similar things to add to that

01:06:39.560 continuing story if if our relationship with our gods stopped at some proto-viking period

01:06:47.240 that would be a tragedy for all of us and all of our descendants and i don't believe that so

01:06:52.760 i believe we have a living relationship with our gods it's a long-winded way of saying this

01:07:00.200 No, I don't think we want to avoid Odin's gaze, but what I do think, perhaps more than any of our other gods, you want to be cautious, and Odin is less likely to suffer fools or suffer the arrogant.

01:07:18.560 being a patron god often of kings and of heroes you have this theme and you have this theme

01:07:29.100 throughout much of Arian myth cycle of hubris of people having excessive pride or you know

01:07:38.500 over over extending their authority or over extending their their station and those are

01:07:44.580 moments when very often um something comes back to bite them so i think that any and all of us

01:07:53.540 should be hyper reverent and respectful and cautious when we approach the throne of the

01:07:59.380 all father to speak and to to to ask certainly to ask of him and i think this is the case with

01:08:06.340 with all of our gods i don't think we want to over ask we want to be careful of what we're putting

01:08:11.860 what we're putting out and what we are, what we're asking the gods for. And I know I'm,

01:08:18.460 I'm meandering and I tend to do that when we talk about spiritual things, but

01:08:22.260 I think it's useful when we pray out loud and we hear ourselves. And I think it's a good time

01:08:34.140 to check ourselves and like does the high god of arian consciousness that breathed the breath of 1.00

01:08:43.200 life into our ancestors that dismantled ymir is it really an appropriate thing to ask him to help 0.97

01:08:52.680 you on your math test um there's things that are just beneath the gods for you to bother them with 0.87

01:09:03.940 and again if you're seven and that's what you ask then maybe that's

01:09:11.720 you know i think the gods also have a certain amount of grace when dealing with

01:09:15.820 you know the the mentally impaired or the youthful or or or people in in that kind of a place but

01:09:22.360 in all seriousness what are you asking of the all father and this this goes back to something else

01:09:29.900 i think it is dangerous to over ask from odin but i think it is the height of what one who

01:09:39.100 would be a hero would aspire to do is to get the attention of odin and to be worthy of odin

01:09:48.060 looking at you with a nod of

01:09:51.180 you know approval or hopefully and this is a huge hope but the idea that you would do something that

01:10:04.940 would make the all-father proud of you i can't think of a higher thing to uh to aspire to

01:10:12.300 and so i would never want somebody to hold back from that i think that's fundamental

01:10:18.140 um but i think that's part of the relationship with the all father it's not about asking it

01:10:22.940 needs to be about offering and about displaying before him your merit and your worth not because

01:10:33.100 you are worthy but in the hopes that you might be worthy if you did enough and i think that if you

01:10:39.740 approach with a level of piety i don't think um you want to avoid his gaze i think we again the

01:10:48.780 idea of odin looking at you and with pride is is everything um another thing we think of odin in

01:10:57.900 this very grim aspect and i think that when a lot of our lore was written down in the elder times

01:11:02.860 Sometimes death was close by through starvation, through war, through disease, through many

01:11:10.980 things. And I think that it was a grimmer period of time. But if you recall, Odin, he

01:11:16.620 makes his residence in glad time, in the home of gladness. And I think all too often, we

01:11:23.980 only focus on the spooky and not the joyous and the celebratory. In his hall,

01:11:32.860 there's feasting and merriment and joy um and i think that's that's important to notice there's

01:11:43.620 great dualities with odin i think uh dr stephen flowers uh edrid thorson said um he described

01:11:52.680 odin as the the lord of light and the drayton of darkness and i think that that duality really

01:11:59.400 speaks to to some of the fundamentals about uh victory father um danny asks maybe dumb it's not

01:12:10.440 dumb at all what is the perspective on odin and other gods in terms of omnipresence many monotheist

01:12:19.400 our religions believe that god can commune anywhere with anyone at any time what is the afa's 0.95

01:12:26.200 perspective all right so i want your thoughts on this first spawn because i kind of like to

01:12:38.840 encapsulate and close things up but i go in second i don't mean to put you on the spot but where you

01:12:44.040 at with um i think that uh when we first talk about like the omnipresence of of the fabric of

01:12:54.040 creation and of all things interacting, whether it's the movement of atoms, the movement of cosmic

01:12:59.640 matter itself moving around, all the way down to our intentions and our ability to

01:13:09.640 willfully see ourselves in a different place, to even be able to express that we see our

01:13:16.760 consciousness in a different state uh in an undisclosed future um is a really powerful thing

01:13:24.060 and i think that when we talk about that omnipresence we we talk about uh and especially

01:13:32.860 amongst in the afa is the sacredness of or law or weird um kind of being uh all pervading but

01:13:41.080 But there's some things to consider when we talk about the stories and we see Ovin giving

01:13:51.680 his eye to Mimir and to place his eye in the well.

01:13:58.180 The well of memory or the well of the past or the well of that level of the ever expanding

01:14:06.080 sense of weird, whether it's all of the past or the cosmic sense of all things that had

01:14:13.600 come to pass, was a great need to attain that for purpose.

01:14:20.900 But I think in Ausatru, when we consider the divinities and we consider the gods, because

01:14:31.500 as you did say, and other gods, one of their connections to weird, the fact that they are

01:14:39.740 tied into things. I think all humanity is deeply and intrinsically tied to Odin through breath

01:14:44.240 and through a state of consciousness and the ability to communicate our consciousness.

01:14:53.080 However, it lacks dynamicism if it's all pervading and everywhere. And I think that a lot of

01:15:00.400 monotheists don't understand from the, from our perspective of the idea of there needing to be

01:15:09.820 a movement, there needs to be a tying, there needs to be an outer presence, an inner presence that

01:15:17.740 can transition and move, and that it's not all just a sense of relativism, that there isn't,

01:15:26.880 everything is just either connected or disconnected. This brings about a lot of problems.

01:15:32.760 When people have this concept of relativism, they then see things happening and don't understand

01:15:39.740 why. And if all things are intrinsically tied and omnipresent, then why do these things happen?

01:15:47.540 Again, it could be macro to micro in our perceptions, but we see dynamicism as a form

01:15:55.960 of movement, that there is an ability to move closer in and farther out, and it ties heavily

01:16:03.480 to the gods. We see the gods interacting with the material in ways to maintain order, but we also

01:16:10.620 see them interacting with, you know, humanity and the folk through prayer. We see, you know, we see

01:16:19.620 them uh interacting through signs and other things and sometimes we perceive them as interacting

01:16:28.180 through weird itself um perhaps you know through like uh earthers well and the idea of the ability

01:16:37.960 to interact with the with multiple layers of of time and all of those massive the the movements

01:16:44.760 Um, but to say omnipresence, I would, I would say no, I don't see the gods as having this, um, overpervading omnipresence where the, the, the willful and the conscious directive is so relative that it's in all things with at all times.

01:17:07.580 I think it certainly has the ability to move, the ability to transfer, to go up and down

01:17:17.820 through the veils of separations of reality and plain existence and higher existence,

01:17:26.180 lower existence, primordial existence.

01:17:29.480 Having this ability to move is very, very important in our lore and in our perceptions

01:17:35.180 of the way we give gifts and looking upwards and looking downwards or having directions and things

01:17:43.300 like that, these correlate to the ideas of movement. And I think it's really important for us

01:17:48.180 to have that with our structuring of divinity. We don't see it as just simply being relative or

01:17:57.160 simulatory where you know it's just you're inside some sort of projection uh or or concept or you

01:18:07.560 know these things are i think are detrimental to people uh where you end up getting this kind of

01:18:12.600 sense of solipsism and i think that uh the gods are showing that in their movements that there

01:18:23.460 isn't this sense that the only thing that is real is my consciousness and everything else is

01:18:27.380 kind of relative and everywhere and all things and no instead we are dynamically moving with

01:18:33.300 each other we're interacting with each other we're interacting with the gods we're interacting with

01:18:37.220 our ancestors there's a sense even like now with the veil is thin there's this sense of movement

01:18:43.220 the idea that the veil is thin now then it may be thicker some other time so there's a sense of

01:18:49.300 presence. And that presence is always preluded with movement. And that, I think, shows that

01:18:56.260 omnipresence is a kind of a detrimental mental state when we talk about the relativism of

01:19:08.240 man and the gods and all things that are interacting with each other. And we can see

01:19:14.140 this in nature we can see this in cosmic sense in space and in time um so that's that's my take on

01:19:22.480 that as far as like omnipresence so there's two parts in the way that you asked that question or

01:19:29.380 at least as i understand it there's are the gods present everywhere at every time across existence

01:19:40.500 And I think Svan covered that really well. The idea of movement of travel is time and again spoken about in every single facet of our lore.

01:19:53.300 the gods are traveling to you know to this place or to that place or jotunheim or or whatever

01:20:00.580 they're doing they're going across the rainbow bridge they're coming back they're taking a seat

01:20:05.440 of council they're um doing things and they're moving that sense of moving is fundamental

01:20:12.560 um the rotational sense is seen throughout our symbols it's so no the gods have to move

01:20:21.920 um but the other thing was omnipresent in the sense that they can hear anyone any place at

01:20:31.440 any time and i think you know my latin is not good so i don't know latin for hearing uh omni

01:20:36.960 or i think there's an or root anyway omni hearing perhaps and i think that's uh

01:20:46.020 that comes to a fundamental so some of the things are like are the gods everywhere are

01:20:51.400 they in this place or that place are fascinating and important to talk about, but to a degree

01:20:56.700 aren't relevant to our human existence. What is relevant is, can I interact with the gods

01:21:03.700 everywhere or at any time? And I have to say the answer to that in some way is yes, but

01:21:12.460 with the caveat that there are times where that connection is more powerful. Svan mentioned,

01:21:19.360 as we go into this fall period of the year, it talks about the veil being thin. We often refer

01:21:26.220 to that in a sense of interacting with our ancestors, but it's the veil between worlds

01:21:32.220 generally. So I think in a spiritual sense of interacting with the gods, this time of year is

01:21:37.580 that's easier or better in some way. I think at certain holy tides, the gods take more notice

01:21:50.680 or your spiritual interaction with them is heightened. I think there are places that

01:21:56.140 are charged with energy that draw more notice. I think that your communication is improved

01:22:07.420 with the gods if you're in front of an altar doing your work as opposed to walking along the side of

01:22:15.320 the road. I think that at one of our Hoffs, I think certainly in like a ritual circle, there's

01:22:21.980 power there and that's a more direct conduit to our gods than, you know, at some other random

01:22:28.260 mundane location. Certainly in our Hoffs, that is a much more direct way to interact with the

01:22:39.340 gods. And some of that, and I'll mention that in a second, goes to the idea of that omnipresence.

01:22:44.000 I think that the power of a mighty spiritual force, a mighty hymenia, a mighty magical force in a person who's developed that to a high degree has more ability, communicates clearer, communicates louder, communicates more effectively with our gods

01:23:12.960 than someone who has a less developed spiritual gravitas.

01:23:16.480 And I also think that communicating with the gods in ritual

01:23:23.000 where you have numbers of people enhances, you know,

01:23:28.540 how much focus the gods give that.

01:23:32.760 When hundreds of their followers are in one place

01:23:37.580 simultaneously chanting their name and offering them gifts,

01:23:42.460 then I think that's more impactful than just just a singular person.

01:23:47.440 But on the issue of omnipresence, one thing that.

01:23:52.100 Happens when one does ritual, you invite the gods and if you do it right and it's auspicious and the gods will it to be so.

01:24:03.480 People can notice and feel a presence manifest there.

01:24:08.100 you're calling the gods in you're inviting them and sometimes they take you up on that

01:24:14.720 i think very oftentimes they hear you but sometimes in a very tangible way they show up

01:24:22.280 um and i've i've had that happen several times in in pretty meaningful ways to people who are there

01:24:33.720 of all of a sudden there was a presence in the world.

01:24:38.420 That's also something that's been experienced

01:24:40.780 when Svan paints the murals of our gods in their hoffs.

01:24:49.540 Something happens when that mural is there

01:24:52.780 and when it is completed that that god resides there.

01:24:59.200 There is a presence that exists there. And I don't think that the gods, you know, I don't think Odin hangs out at Odin's off rather than in Asgard. But I and again, we're trying to find human experience words to relate to concepts that are so far beyond our language and our understanding.

01:25:25.840 it doesn't fit perfectly but perhaps that's a window perhaps that's some kind of a conduit of

01:25:32.960 something but odin exists in that mural he also exists other places but he definitely exists there

01:25:43.600 and you feel that when you're in that room um if that if that answers your questions one of the

01:25:50.880 other things we want to refrain from doing is limiting our gods um

01:26:00.480 our gods have the the might and the power they have whether we

01:26:04.320 express it or acknowledge it or not and we never want to

01:26:09.440 project our own limitations upon them and their will and what they want to do our gods are gods

01:26:15.440 of will and they they can do what they want unless opposed by some other spiritual forces

01:26:21.200 certainly greater than us so i think that uh trying to trying to box in limitations of what

01:26:33.260 our gods are is also a dangerous thing that i would resist the urge to do something i wanted

01:26:40.620 to mention and it i guess was more fitting for an earlier question but i didn't get to it

01:26:45.820 something really important about modern lore and about uh about odin um

01:26:54.140 odin was the god of our folk that that stephen mcnallan first connected with in uh in 1968

01:27:03.660 And to this day, he is the God that Steve is is totally devoted to.

01:27:11.020 And that relationship is now 53 years old.

01:27:19.020 And a lot of things have come from that.

01:27:22.300 The relationship that Steve built with Odin is why we're here.

01:27:27.280 It's why we're having this discussion tonight.

01:27:29.800 It's why y'all are listening.

01:27:31.560 It's why this exists.

01:27:33.540 it was forged out of that um one of the things that i think is true about um

01:27:42.980 about steve is that all of modern alsatru is either because of or and it i should use the air

01:27:53.540 quotes all of what is claimed as modern alsatru is either because of steve mcnallen or in reaction

01:28:02.260 against Steve McNallan, but he is that point of definition that it is defined by.

01:28:10.180 And a lot of that, so much of that is revolving around his relationship with Odin.

01:28:20.500 There's, you know, leftists, communists, people on the other team, the forces of chaos,

01:28:28.660 like to speak ill about steve mcdowell and every chance that they get and i listened in one of his

01:28:34.260 most vocal opponents on a uh a lefty podcast about steve through disparaging him and talking about

01:28:43.780 what a terrible guy he is or whatever they scoffed offhand that you know odin will work with anybody

01:28:50.500 if it gets his mission accomplished in just that casual that casual barb

01:29:00.820 this creature admits

01:29:05.940 that the god of arian consciousness that shaped arian man that shaped our existence

01:29:13.940 that is the father of kings the lord of battle the lord of victory

01:29:20.020 has some sort of partnership relationship with steve mcnalen

01:29:26.260 and that he chose to be in that partnership with steve i can't imagine a higher praise than that

01:29:33.860 that odin would find you worthy to in some in some sense team up with to accomplish big goals

01:29:41.140 for his people what high praise from our foes um unknowingly so and i think that that just bears

01:29:51.060 reflecting on um another thing to talk about personal uh relationships and steve our personal

01:29:58.260 experiences with odin and steve has told this story a number of times but i don't think everyone's

01:30:02.420 heard it i don't think it's it's a secret so i'm venturing to uh to tell it but uh this really

01:30:09.620 struck me and it was i think it was the first time i met steve back in 2010 he told a story of how

01:30:16.260 one time odin turned him invisible and it sounds fanciful and it's perhaps a fanciful way of putting

01:30:22.660 it but steve did a lot of traveling in war-torn portions of africa that were going through

01:30:28.020 revolution and i think this happened in the um in congo or central african republic or whatever one

01:30:37.460 of those things that changes names every couple years and especially back then did he was airborne

01:30:42.980 flying into this place when a government change took over and they were looking for and just

01:30:49.620 recently an american had gotten shot because his papers weren't didn't match the papers they were

01:30:55.380 looking for at the time and they pulled him off and blasted him with the ak as was going on in

01:31:00.900 africa at the time um and steve's like oh what am i gonna do my past you know my stamp is for

01:31:07.940 the country you know my authorization or my visa or my papers are for this country that used to

01:31:12.100 exist doesn't exist anymore uh-oh it's about to get real um and he's in this line and soldiers

01:31:20.260 are on the runway lined everybody up went through every single person to a man checking papers

01:31:27.140 and he's like uh oh you know it's it's coming it's coming and they meticulously checked everybody

01:31:33.700 and the way steve describes it they checked the man in front of him and as if they looked

01:31:38.260 straight through him they went immediately to check the guy behind him and here's you know a

01:31:44.820 middle-aged or younger middle-aged white dude sticks out like a sore thumb on a you know a

01:31:50.100 congo tarmac and it's as if they completely looked through him it's not that they looked at him and

01:31:56.020 chose to look away or nodded him through or it's as if for a moment he didn't exist and they went

01:32:02.260 right to the guy behind him and nothing else was said of it and uh that was if i'm to understand

01:32:10.420 the story correctly that was certainly after the uh the free assembly days but that was before the

01:32:15.140 founding of the austro folk assembly if that occurrence had not happened that way and if that

01:32:22.100 miracle had not occurred then the afa wouldn't wouldn't have happened and we may very well not

01:32:30.260 be here doing what we're doing today so i think that's an important footnote about the all father

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01:34:41.040 Now for that, Daniel asks, speaking of etymology, are Odin and Odor related?

01:34:48.720 Yes, Daniel, they absolutely are. But I think Svan's going to have a

01:34:52.240 more comprehensive something to say etymologically on that.

01:34:55.520 well when we we talk about uh odin and uh you see that the terms like odor as inspiration uh you see

01:35:07.760 it in um uh the the the cauldron um and you also see it mentioned by hindla when she speaks to freya

01:35:19.200 about her searching ever long for Odr.

01:35:26.280 When we see this, and there's accusations in the sagas that are levied at Freyja

01:35:34.840 in regards to her linking with Odr or searching for Odr

01:35:42.960 and then linking with other gods.

01:35:44.980 And they're, you know, I guess in respects to the story, they can seem to be, well, they are jibes, they're clearly jibes from an antithesis force.

01:35:58.740 But I think it's important to understand that Odr as an inspiration, Odr as a sense of power in beauty, I would say, in relation to Freyja, the idea of her inspiration,

01:36:23.680 Her, that which drives her forward, that which presents to her, her inspiration, like, much like a poet.

01:36:34.580 The question is whether or not Odr is Odin.

01:36:43.380 There doesn't seem to be a direct correlation.

01:36:47.920 Oh, that is seen as leaving. And then she weeps tears of gold or the gold of the north being amber falling to the earth. And, and, and there's a great lament and a longing.

01:37:01.220 um however most people do see a correlation that uh perhaps there there is a connectivity between

01:37:10.480 them and there is references to them uh being together or intertwining together uh whether we

01:37:19.940 you know we talk about that in like it perhaps in a physical sense in the stories but if we're

01:37:25.040 talking about gods and the encapsulation of their coming together, I would say that there's a high

01:37:35.340 likelihood that Odin is perhaps a movement of Odin into Freyja's domain or dominion. Perhaps

01:37:51.520 there is an interchange there but that that that interchange could not be seen as finite and or

01:37:58.240 forever and so there is a movement in and a movement out and so the lament is that movement

01:38:04.240 out and so there is a regret or a um a longing for it to remain but there is not and so whether

01:38:12.960 that could be in the form of inspiration, whether it could be read as the Asa and the

01:38:23.600 Vanna, when we see cosmic order affecting natural law, there's this interchange between

01:38:29.260 the two, between the Asas and the Vanna, or the Aysir and the Vanir, we see this correlation

01:38:36.020 happen over and over again in which the two sides end up melding through various situations or

01:38:45.620 ideas or cosmic powerful interludes of uh where they come from how they how they affect the

01:38:55.540 universe the known universe so if there is this connection and there is this uh referencing to

01:39:02.580 to the idea that Freyja learns from Odin.

01:39:10.340 And the barbs kind of denote that it's sexual in nature.

01:39:16.660 And I think it's important for us to know

01:39:18.160 that in these stories,

01:39:19.340 especially towards the later periods,

01:39:21.740 much like the philosophes of Greece,

01:39:24.080 they were really talking about the gods in a mundane sense

01:39:29.080 or sometimes even in a, they were, they were, you know, antagonizing, and very, very, I would say, unpious.

01:39:42.260 But I take that moment as, if there was an interconnection between cosmic order and natural law,

01:39:49.580 and that being the Aesir and the Vanir, then there is this moment where there is this overlapping

01:39:54.260 in which basically the wise and the dynamic of the vana are meeting the wise and dynamic of the asa

01:40:04.420 there is this moment of great inspirations moment of deeply powerful uh transitioning between two

01:40:12.580 gods that has a deep powerful thing it's intimate it's extremely wonderful and when it then goes

01:40:21.060 away um there would be a lament so uh but it's worth noting as as far as structure goes

01:40:30.480 odr is mentioned and not odin um and again there's a lot of things that even write down to um

01:40:38.860 the idea that there might be uh like for instance a hero of of uh freya is otter and some people

01:40:48.120 have wondered if there may have been some sort of connection there as well i don't take it as that

01:40:53.960 oh there is a uh physical man or a worshiper freya but that in essence there is this moment

01:41:00.520 of intercharging between two very dynamic gods in polarization between that which is cosmic and that

01:41:10.840 which is more cyclical and there's this transfer of knowledge this this unification um and in that

01:41:18.600 power once it's like a tide once it recedes there's a there's a lament because it may never

01:41:24.840 come back that it it wasn't always to be that way so i take it as that that um yes in reference

01:41:35.480 in short it is odin but also that odin represents inspiration in a new

01:41:44.280 dynasty of of interaction that freya has with the cosmos um and i think it's deeply poetic

01:41:51.640 that they have this interaction and uh i i think it's also possible that the gods do have these

01:41:57.160 interactions with each other um it's just clearly the the masculine feminine and the placement of

01:42:04.360 of the stories, it really does have a wonderful poeticism to it. But you see this kind of

01:42:12.640 dynamicism when the gods interact with the Jotuns, when the gods interact with men, 0.73

01:42:19.440 whether they're heroes or the lineage of them or the kings of nations. There's these

01:42:25.340 interactions that happen. And I think in this case, it's a reference to the longing of a

01:42:31.100 recession of it there's this moment where it's deeply close deeply there uh we see it again too

01:42:36.540 with odin and and sauga um and and their correlation or with the gods in ayer and raun

01:42:43.340 um this movement of them coming to the primordial uh ocean the blood of emir and um and then

01:42:50.620 returning again so these movements some of them are very cyclical and and constant and i don't

01:42:55.740 think this case was the case this case was like a uh one time a moment of interaction that was

01:43:02.540 going to transfer a deep and profound amount of godly knowledge and then it was going to

01:43:09.660 uh re-amplify itself back in its polaric forms so that's my take on that

01:43:16.620 and the etymology odor and oh then both come from that uh that ecstasy of inspiration yeah um how

01:43:29.740 would you respond to a monotheist who sees metagenetics and folk religions as moral relativism

01:43:37.740 um trying to think of the best way to go because uh typically monotheists

01:43:48.620 think that religion equals morality in a sense and i think that's a relatively late

01:44:01.000 Christian thought. I think that more than that, religion is about your relationship to divinity.

01:44:10.160 Yes, morality is heavily implied. Morality is often instructed through religion,

01:44:15.440 but the core of religion is about what your relationship is to your gods.

01:44:23.240 And in that way, you know, I don't know about moral relativism as much as I think about

01:44:29.740 religious relativism and certainly that's the case and i think it's um

01:44:37.900 a little bit preposterous most all monotheisms or all monotheisms unless they're well sometimes

01:44:45.900 you have a syncretic sense with some of the new age systems but in a traditional way all monotheisms

01:44:52.380 are heavily rooted in a particular people and then it presupposes that their gods are the gods of

01:45:01.900 everybody else too and it disregards everyone else's faith that they came into the world with

01:45:08.220 because that one uh monotheism is the only possible thing that exists and you see that

01:45:13.740 evolve over time very seldom i can't think of one example where you see that originate

01:45:18.940 as a as an inherent truth you see that become the truth over years and over time you certainly see

01:45:25.020 that in the semitic regions with with yahweh didn't start out as an all-powerful the only god

01:45:35.420 everything else is evil and the devil it evolved that way over a long period of time so i think

01:45:42.460 religions have always been relative and continue to be relative and

01:45:51.820 i think moral relativism has become one of those words that people just use as a cudgel to beat

01:45:57.180 people they don't like with um most everybody knows that there are shades of gray in the world

01:46:03.900 some people acknowledge that that's true and some people pretend that it's not but i think

01:46:07.980 fundamentally we do all realize that that's some of that's the case um i would say

01:46:15.660 and again not knowing which monotheism you're referring to it's hard to level a specific

01:46:20.940 uh accusation to it but one thing i think is interesting about our faith and our gods

01:46:29.020 is morality exists and it exists outside of the demands of the gods like it exists it's a thing

01:46:40.360 there is an or there's an order there's a dharma to the universe there is right and there is wrong

01:46:46.380 which i would say is is fairly objective in our universe in our worldview now different

01:46:52.640 circumstances require different expression and different weighing of that but there's customs

01:46:57.040 and values that are universal and inherent that aren't bending to the whim of a particular god

01:47:04.460 in uh christian monotheism right and wrong is solely determined by the whims of their god

01:47:12.860 and is as fluid as that god wants to make it whenever he wants to make it so and our gods

01:47:18.480 don't function in that same way so in that way i would say that uh morals and monotheism are more

01:47:25.760 relative than uh the morals within our cosmos what are your thoughts sivan uh i i i have a tendency

01:47:35.360 to believe that universalists and i'll i'll i know we can lay that onus on people in now so true or

01:47:43.600 people that claim to to be true to the gods um despite a lot of their other worshiping tendencies

01:47:50.320 But we can also apply this to Christians and to Muslims. I think that they are universalist. I think that they, in essence, unite under credo, whether it's that credo subservience or that credo is the, I guess, activation of will of what they perceive as the driving goal of their life.

01:48:20.320 their god but i really think the universalists hold the crown of relative uh relativism they are

01:48:28.400 extremely good at broadening their scopes of relativism and you kind of alluded to it you

01:48:35.120 know when you read the scriptures of of the olden times and you see the language transition

01:48:40.560 uh when you bring up some of this stuff and kind of i do it very subtly sometimes when i have

01:48:46.400 theosophical debates with universalists is especially in the in the christians that's because

01:48:52.000 not because i i'm afraid to engage with other universalist faiths it's just that i

01:48:56.960 was once inundated in uh christianity and i think that so it helps me to have that knowledge to to

01:49:05.920 go there um you know you see in the elder or the old testament um you see this kind of um

01:49:13.520 connection. There isn't a lot of relativism. There's actually quite poignant points of

01:49:20.400 interactions between Yahweh and his people and his relationship with other people and their

01:49:27.760 relationship with other people. But at some point, I think when Saul of Tarsus and Shimon or Simon,

01:49:36.080 who later became Peter, when they started moving westward and started interacting with 0.90

01:49:44.000 non-Semitic people, they started enacting their relativism. They started changing names. They 0.81

01:49:52.320 looked for things that had no more context in a cultural sense. You know, the difference between

01:49:59.700 a Malach amongst the Hebrew and an angel amongst the Greeks may have very close and poignant

01:50:08.200 power, but an angel amongst Germanic speaking people, they very rarely ever correlate an

01:50:17.080 understanding of the idea of a messenger or an extension of Yahweh. They just simply take it

01:50:23.200 as face value. And so it becomes quite relative. And you see that in the names of divinity when

01:50:29.520 And we talk about Hebrew and we often refer to Yahweh, but they never refer to Yahweh as Elohim.

01:50:36.280 And then, you know, as they move westward into Europe and they start, you know, they look at Dios pater.

01:50:42.300 They just simply took that and made it poignant for purposes.

01:50:48.580 They made it relative and correlating to them.

01:50:51.500 they uh they moved away from the idea of um you know like uh i'm probably murdering this but like

01:51:01.640 in the afterlife in their language with um i believe it's shalom or no shidim excuse me shidim

01:51:09.300 and the demons and what a demon meant to a greek and what a what a shidim meant to a middle eastern

01:51:15.280 And they change these things. And then these things become, again, almost like free of copyright. They become extremely relative. And I've had Christians tell me, oh, it's not the meaning behind the word. It's the feeling or the intent behind it now.

01:51:32.520 And so relativism, especially amongst universalists, I think pervades far more.

01:51:41.840 And I think I would argue that metagenetics is a reversal of relativism.

01:51:46.760 It's very poignant and finite.

01:51:49.000 It's an idea of an understanding between the outer and the inner, that which was in, that which is out.

01:51:54.140 And you see this in early, you know, biblical stories in which the people of Judea, the Hebrews, and all of these things, they're in juxtaposition to the Sarmatians, they're in juxtaposition to the Philistines, they're in juxtaposition to the Canaanites.

01:52:11.460 There's very much an inner and outer. And then over time, when Saul enacts the idea that, you know, this concept of a Messiah that was solely understood amongst these people can now be transferred to people outside of that, that became a moment of relativism.

01:52:34.160 it's very much similar to the to the ideas like there's finite sense between a natalist or a

01:52:40.720 person who is natal to a land uh they are born there they share the traits they have the the

01:52:47.000 the physical features they have the language they have the production they have context

01:52:52.320 and then you have like a more of a broad uh patronism or a patriotic kind of sense of page

01:53:03.140 a patronism under credo. And so all of a sudden, the finite things start to get washed away

01:53:09.740 and are then led into obscurity, led into relativism. So I would argue metagenetics

01:53:17.240 is the opposite of relativism. And that morals and any person that you engage with that talks

01:53:27.780 about these things, when we talk about what is right and what is wrong amongst different people,

01:53:31.880 it's pretty well known that it's a fool's folly to think that all people have the same sense of

01:53:38.440 moralism. And that becomes relativism, that there is some sort of over-pervading sense

01:53:45.620 that we can just kind of plug and play into every single person. And that's not the case.

01:53:51.360 The case shows that we have moral distinctions, and those distinctions are incumbent upon many

01:53:58.240 different things. Where our people come from in the past, how they interact with each other,

01:54:02.740 how they communicate with each other, how they produce things, how they look,

01:54:08.920 and all of these things. And sure, I think that we could go to other places and understand what

01:54:14.080 is morally good for them, and even enact upon ourselves to be kind in that way. I have been in

01:54:21.440 foreign countries and interacted with many different people and knew that something that

01:54:26.340 may not be any particular slight uh in my land and to my people could be perceived as a great

01:54:33.780 slight amongst other people so out of kindness i just didn't interact in those things but am i

01:54:40.480 following their moralism to a degree i'm using it as a framework in the place that i'm at but do i

01:54:47.720 ultimately believe that that moralism applies when i go home no there there's a there's a difference

01:54:54.500 And so I would say that metagenetics is the opposite of relativism.

01:55:01.680 Christine asks, what ways do you incorporate Odin into your regular spiritual practice?

01:55:09.440 Svon, how do you incorporate the All-Father in your regular spiritual practice?

01:55:14.220 I pray a lot.

01:55:16.480 That is first and foremost, I think, a good way to interact with the gods.

01:55:20.920 And I think prayer can be laying out self-reflection and laying out ideas physically, sometimes in the web or the well or into the interactions of all things in the universe.

01:55:36.160 And so that there is, again, like what you had said elsewhere, an omni-awareness of that once it's placed, once that road is traveled thoroughly between, it's open and then can be observed or judged from their counsel.

01:55:52.460 um and so i i try to do that often but uh in correlation especially when we talk about on

01:56:00.380 we talk about breath and this kind of came about uh in in waves uh it was particularly strong when

01:56:07.240 i was younger and then over time i i you know we go through essences of of intentions and degrees

01:56:14.420 of understanding and awareness but uh recently you know i there was a godi there is a godi in

01:56:20.360 the afa who was speaking about ond and he he greatly inspired me to begin to to understand

01:56:27.960 some of the presence of breath the the presence of of um awareness in the self and in the moment

01:56:36.360 so uh i do occasionally practice a form of like i guess what would be like runic yoga or stavar

01:56:44.680 or stavr. I do it with intention of different purposes. I do movements and breathing, and

01:56:51.960 my ultimate purpose is to understand my awareness of breath and presence. I also do movement in

01:56:58.700 order to, I guess in a medical sense, to move the lymphatic system. So, I mean, it could be as

01:57:07.420 very material as that, um, and in enacting these positions of runic symbolism, um, and while doing

01:57:15.800 that, I breathe. Also, through meditation, um, oftentimes, too, uh, incorporating bits of poetry

01:57:22.920 or writing things down, uh, especially when it comes in relation to, uh, worship to Odin or to

01:57:28.860 I, uh, composing poem, whether it's like in Fornideslag style or just in general, uh, I think

01:57:37.660 it's a great way of devotion. And then oftentimes burning them and just never, never really, uh,

01:57:44.840 maybe they, they bleed over another expressions of, of art, but that, that singular moment is

01:57:50.480 gone. That's a gift completely given in, uh, kind of a, a devotional prayer or written sense,

01:57:57.600 uh, given out. And I just offer that up in hopes that it is taken. I'm not saying that it is,

01:58:04.340 but I hope that it is, or at least that it's again placed out into, uh, the web, uh, or the well.

01:58:11.080 And, um, I think also too, um, in, in reading and in, in the murals, um, I, I, I say a little,

01:58:24.220 uh i guess i guess a prayer and i i mean i'm using this over and over and over again but

01:58:30.540 a kind of restock a re-perception a breathing moment the idea of going forth and then

01:58:36.660 interacting in a space with the intention of not losing focus and with the intention of

01:58:43.080 being connected not losing sight of the grandness of the all-father and um

01:58:49.740 so even in the mundane sometimes it's just a moment a stop a pause kind of okay i have the

01:58:57.860 breath of odin within me um i i do the i do this service in intention as being a like a

01:59:04.680 a willful moment a pressing forward in in in the world in weird at this time at this moment

01:59:17.460 I'm focused on it and this is what it needs to be. And sometimes I have to reiterate that

01:59:22.480 because you get lost in things. You get distracted. There's so many things. So I find

01:59:28.280 honoring Odin as a refocusing moment of severity is a thing I often find myself doing.

01:59:38.460 But yeah. So I don't have a profound answer to that.

01:59:44.700 Um, most of my personal, um, trying to think the best way to say this, um, I suppose a

02:00:03.860 lot of my personal, uh, religious expression is fairly simple.

02:00:07.140 um i so first i am in a very fortunate position to where i get to worship the gods in a big

02:00:21.380 spectacular in the literal sense of the word way because i travel so much to do bloats at our

02:00:28.900 different hofs and i very often have the honor of conducting bloats at whatever hof i'm at

02:00:33.620 So I have a lot of time of interacting with the gods in a big, loud, very public way.

02:00:43.600 When I interact privately with the gods, it's, you know, in front of my altar, I will light some candles, I'll burn some incense.

02:00:52.640 And especially as it relates to Odin, I come to Odin very often in thanksgiving for the blessings in my life and for my position in the AFA and for victories that I've had or that we've had together.

02:01:18.160 Um, I asked for his, uh, for his guidance to help me to make the right decisions on things for our folk that helped me live up to the responsibility of my office.

02:01:36.900 And I reaffirm or I restate in front of him my commitment to do that and my commitment towards our victory and towards our goals and towards glorifying him and the other I see her.

02:01:57.660 But again, I often approach the All-Father in thanksgiving as opposed to asking for a boon.

02:02:02.780 I tend to offer thanks.

02:02:06.900 And it's always done very, very respectfully.

02:02:11.520 And yeah, it's nothing particularly fancy, but that is that's what I do when I interact with with Oden on my own.

02:02:22.660 I also, you know, steal moments by myself in front of the mural in his altar at his

02:02:31.300 Hoff and, I don't know, say words of respect and just kind of stand there in awe, basking

02:02:40.640 in his presence for a time.

02:02:44.220 That's mostly how I incorporate the All-Father into my day-to-day practice.

02:02:52.660 Brandy says, could you speak to us about the gifts given to us at the creation of Ask and Embla?

02:03:00.560 I know that Svan has a lot of thoughts on this. Svan, enlighten us.

02:03:05.860 That's actually a great question, because one of the things that's worth noting is in the Nordic, in the Old Norse,

02:03:12.860 it is said that Ond is given by Odin, and Odr is given by Hjönr.

02:03:19.240 Again, Odr is mentioned as a wit.

02:03:24.380 The triplication of Odin to me is a dynamic part of my theological, I guess, understanding of the dynamicism of Odin. 0.50

02:03:36.480 And I often refer to the 1R3 and the 3R1, a trinity within itself.

02:03:43.780 um and i speak of uh the the three uh with great importance as much as i do to the one 0.99

02:03:53.360 um and i see them as inseparable and i see them as uh that the triplication is a symbol of

02:03:59.800 dynamicism and interaction but it's worth noting i mean on this the spiritual breath it could be

02:04:05.400 The prana, if you're talking about in the Eastern context, there's even kind of a scientific force that was referred to in reference to ONT, talking about the ODIC, O-D-I-C, the ODIC force, and a lot of ways of conceptualizing that this may have connection to electromagnetic presence and maybe auric presence.

02:04:31.560 And I see a connection there, but what we're deeply talking about is the breath, the animation of the transference between the first step and nothing, which is a huge step.

02:04:52.040 And so when we talk about ask and embla, it says they're unrooted and unfated. So that breath is going from not being rooted and not being fated to being rooted and fated into the material.

02:05:10.880 And so I think that that is very important in understanding. I think some people see the shaping of the wood in somewhat of a literal sense.

02:05:24.580 And I think that there's obviously deep poetic allegoric connections between wood and humanity or flesh.

02:05:32.880 And there's lots of kennings in reference to this in which like Odin's oaks are oftentimes referred to or Odin's ashes are speaking of the ash tree or speaking of possibly the spears that the menfolk are holding.

02:05:48.600 But there's a lot of references to the idea of the shaping of wood.

02:05:51.700 And I think especially amongst the Norse, the idea of shaping of wood was highly important, especially in shipbuilding and lots of other things.

02:06:00.020 I mean, even to this day, we look at the Nords, you know, as shapers of wood, especially like in reference to architecture and things.

02:06:08.900 So there was a deep connection there.

02:06:10.740 so once

02:06:12.580 Oden gives on

02:06:14.560 he takes from

02:06:16.980 unfated and unrooted

02:06:18.980 to rooted and

02:06:20.920 faded and they

02:06:22.920 have within them that divine spark

02:06:24.940 that animation of life

02:06:26.920 and that's

02:06:28.700 deeply powerful and what makes

02:06:31.100 dynamicism of a god very powerful

02:06:33.140 is the ability to

02:06:34.920 broach between

02:06:36.400 cosmic and

02:06:38.940 material and you don't see it manifest very often i think that um when we see it in the stories you

02:06:46.760 know if it's thor as the storm father and we see his interaction with as energy uh in in the storm

02:06:53.360 uh this this physical man this this is powerful um but when he gives on he gives breath and he

02:07:03.560 gives animation, and he then proceeds to move them into the fated state. The ability for humans

02:07:11.020 to understand their animation is first and foremost, I think, important. But then,

02:07:18.960 other. Other is kind of translated as wit or an intellect or an awareness. I often like to

02:07:25.860 conceptualize that along with the idea of the rush of consciousness, there is also a sense that

02:07:33.440 makes us different from animals in the sense that we can now mentally project ourselves

02:07:38.780 into a state that we don't exist yet that we don't seem to see that very often amongst um like we

02:07:46.680 can't we it's hard for us to conceptualize that or or scientists are even looking for it in other

02:07:51.980 animals for their ability to project themselves into a place that they've never been or uh that

02:07:59.540 That's the communication that they might be having with, say, an elder animal might be telling them based off of their experience in the past.

02:08:07.980 So now we can project ourselves into a forward movement, into a place that doesn't exist.

02:08:14.140 I can conceptualize myself being somewhere or interacting with something, though I've never been there and I've never interacted with those things.

02:08:24.960 and those things might not even exist when i get there but i can conceptualize that maybe they are

02:08:30.480 um so that's an interesting thing when we talk about the other and the sudden rush of consciousness

02:08:37.280 so i i think that's where that fury of of other and then lastly is lao and uh hyoner gives lao

02:08:46.400 or or or they and when you look at the the two um differences between like say the pros aidas and

02:08:53.440 And the Aedas is that the references to Odin, Vili, and Ve, Odin, of course, fury, or the sudden rush, and Vili being will, the ability to project into, and Ve, holiness, or wholeness, and how those two words deeply correlate with each other.

02:09:16.660 And so holiness and wholeness are one in the form of the body.

02:09:23.940 And I think it's important that when we look at wellness and wholeness, we see when there is dis-ease or when there is something wrong with something, it is not whole.

02:09:34.900 And so we see a paragon of health as being wholeness.

02:09:38.160 so when hyonur gives lao he gives shape color and the wholeness of body the the wellness of of of

02:09:51.020 being and um so or in essence the shape of and so i've always taken that when we look at odin

02:09:59.320 and ve and ve being the holy space or the wholeness of space um it's very very you know

02:10:07.960 poignant that the the as they are given that's the the order that they are given in so we see this

02:10:16.120 kind of grand connection to weird this grand connection to the cosmos the grand connection

02:10:20.840 of fate and to be rooted in things and then we see intellect and body and shape and color added next

02:10:31.800 the the truly powerful dynamic part of odin being able to take a piece of himself and make

02:10:42.360 from that which is not into something that is um taking a kind of piece of himself is

02:10:50.680 deeply important and and that takes in our stories in the form of the breath you cannot see it but it

02:10:58.440 It is clearly something that is within you and then comes from without or comes through your mouth or as in the Anglo-Saxon Rune poems, like the mouth of the river, that which flows from him.

02:11:11.540 And then suddenly the vessel is filled.

02:11:14.400 It is shaped.

02:11:15.740 It is given intellect and it is given color and movement in the entirety of it all.

02:11:21.820 So I think that's my take on the three gifts that are given.

02:11:30.980 There we go.

02:11:32.000 I think that was comprehensively covered.

02:11:35.140 Random side note, Steve Mundy likes my haircut.

02:11:39.280 Svon just gave me a haircut last weekend at Winter Nights.

02:11:46.020 So thank you.

02:11:48.020 A compliment for the both of us.

02:11:49.920 Yes.

02:11:50.720 I'll take it.

02:11:51.820 There you go. No, you guys may not know this. Svahn is a barber and at winter nights is kind of a tradition and some of our other events, but at winter nights for Svahn to sit on the on the deck or in some kind of gathering space of the men. And we can kind of have a little impromptu barbershop experience there for as long as Svahn is willing to cut folks hair. And it's it's kind of a fun thing. I think that we all really enjoy it.

02:12:17.520 gives the men a chance to sit around and talk about stuff and it's i don't know there's something

02:12:22.720 special about it but we appreciate you doing that for us he he spent an awful lot of time doing that

02:12:27.680 on friday so thank you 11 to 9 p.m or something like that is what somebody told me i didn't even

02:12:34.480 yeah it was like a 10 hour day um it's a lot of haircuts it was a lot of haircuts so christine

02:12:43.760 asks um what do you suggest for those seeking the wisdom of odin um i would

02:12:54.800 you know steal an answer from odin uh from the have them all and say that it's

02:13:00.080 it's best for man to be middling wise um it's really easy for

02:13:06.000 or people new to our faith or younger people or whatever to jump right in and say,

02:13:14.540 I want to be wise like Odin.

02:13:18.160 I don't think people calculate the cost before they want to embark on such an endeavor.

02:13:24.120 You see Odin's quest for knowledge and his quest for that are harrowing.

02:13:34.140 they're painful, they're difficult, and they involve great sacrifice. And some of the sacrifices

02:13:44.120 that you can't unknow things, I think that most of us, whether we admit it or not, don't really

02:13:50.000 want to know everything. There's a peace in not looking behind the curtain too much. There's a

02:13:57.880 piece in not gleaming the cube. And I think that most people probably don't really want to

02:14:08.300 have that kind of odinic wisdom. If we're past that point, and we've decided we do want to pay

02:14:17.380 that cost and we do want that burden that comes with great wisdom, then I would suggest

02:14:29.220 it's hard because as a starting point, I don't know. Wanting to know the mysteries of the

02:14:36.680 universe, there's any number of places you can start. But what I would put special attention

02:14:42.020 towards is things outside of your comfort zone, things that are uncomfortable, things that are

02:14:47.680 outside of your area of expertise, things that perhaps you do need to pay a cost in order to

02:14:54.760 learn or to understand. I think learning things in those realms and from those places, learning

02:15:03.380 things in uncomfortable places is probably a sure path to odenic wisdom than just focusing on you

02:15:13.700 know the stuff you're already very comfortable with but those are just some thoughts on it svan

02:15:17.940 what are your thoughts on the subject i i think you're you're hitting a lot of a truth to it

02:15:23.860 first and foremost the middling wise is uh is as a good place sometimes to be um uh because knowing

02:15:32.980 much brings a lot of sorrow or a lot of trouble, a darkness in the mind sometimes, I think.

02:15:42.180 And sometimes it can apply wisdom. And I think the Odinic sense of wisdom, for a long time,

02:15:53.360 people talked about it in a Faustian sense, the idea of sacrificing a piece of one's self

02:16:00.360 and one's intellect in order to gain a higher understanding, but that higher understanding

02:16:06.320 isn't always necessarily, I think, a bigger or broader understanding of things, but perhaps a

02:16:15.380 honing or an application of that which exists, as opposed to going from a puddle to a river.

02:16:24.200 instead maybe looking at it as like uh from a bucket of water to a pressure washer um the uh

02:16:33.120 the water is still the same but the means in which it is being transferred is drastically different

02:16:39.980 so you can find great wisdom in someone who knows perhaps very little about many things

02:16:47.500 But knows a great deal about one thing. And so I think that the interactions that Odin has with others, other forces, he interacts with them understanding this, the application in which they project wisdom, the application in which they apply their wisdom, the presence of where it comes from and what they're intending to do with it.

02:17:14.580 But I had a friend, and I always remember this, you know, like the truth isn't like some eternal flame.

02:17:24.220 It's a pizza is what my friend said.

02:17:27.360 It has to be delivered at the right time.

02:17:30.720 And so the idea is that, like, when people are hungry for things and you give it, it's readily consumed.

02:17:38.220 You place it down at the wrong time, and everybody ignores it.

02:17:42.140 And we can see that sometimes when we see we have this truth or we have some concept or a lesson that we've learned.

02:17:49.980 I've learned many great lessons in my life.

02:17:51.840 And if I meet somebody, the only thing that really initiates me to even speak upon it is perhaps there's some sort of similarity that the person I'm talking to is experiencing something very close to the thing that I experienced. 0.83

02:18:04.620 So the initiation of knowledge and the interaction of knowledge is, I think, also deeply odinic.

02:18:11.300 And so it doesn't necessarily always mean the quantity, as it does mean the delivery, the timing, and the application of that wisdom.

02:18:22.520 You know, if I'm struggling with something on my car and I have a neighbor who's really, really good at being a mechanic, I go to him and I ask him for help.

02:18:33.200 And I learn. I want to learn. I don't just, you know, hand him money and say, here, fix this.

02:18:39.140 That's not the way it works.

02:18:40.460 And so I understand the nature of our interaction.

02:18:42.900 And I understand that once I leave this place, I'll have some more knowledge about something.

02:18:47.180 And I try to pay attention to the way he transfers that knowledge.

02:18:51.500 And some people that you go to meet and want knowledge from, they don't transfer it well.

02:18:56.940 That's not necessarily bad.

02:18:59.520 Some people even covet their knowledge and don't want to spread it out and use it as some sort of an application for their furtherance.

02:19:08.300 in the world. But so understanding what wisdom is, how it is applied, and where it comes from,

02:19:16.860 and having the perception or the ability to observe those things before the onset

02:19:23.000 is deeply odenic too. There's more than just the wisdom itself. So much more about going in and

02:19:30.360 coming out and then again reapplying sometimes it requires you to uh the part of the odinic

02:19:38.760 part of this is the cycles of it to to to apply to go back to refrain to um be sometimes you're

02:19:48.360 you're scarce or they're scarce and then you come back at the right time and all of a sudden you and

02:19:54.680 you're you say the same thing you told them maybe a year ago but now it has a totally different

02:20:00.000 meaning or it has so much more of a prominent meaning it's the same with like books when we

02:20:04.560 read books and we're digesting a book for the first time and there's concepts we get and some

02:20:10.800 that we don't and we gloss over and then we go back and read it a year later and all of a sudden

02:20:14.880 it's just hitting things again and again and again so i would say the cyclical application

02:20:22.400 of understanding wisdom and how it's to be applied is deeply odinic and that's one of the mysteries

02:20:28.720 of approaching wisdom, not as a static thing, but a dynamic thing?

02:20:36.620 Well, before we go much further, we're at just past the top of our second hour.

02:20:45.520 I mean, I guess we're starting out hour three, as it were.

02:20:50.460 Figured I'd mention something.

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02:21:44.020 uh king of cheese says well here's one what is the significance of the number three in aryan

02:21:51.060 cultures and where does it come from why is it considered it's so important i'm glad you asked

02:21:56.820 that tony i think you're some of these questions you guys are hitting right in in swan's wheelhouse

02:22:02.420 on some stuff he's been thinking about a lot lately and i think this is one of them swan what

02:22:06.660 are your thoughts on the sacred number three and why that's a thing in our mythos um i was speaking

02:22:14.260 on this uh pretty recently when i talk about the idea of the tripartite uh and i know if you're

02:22:22.100 if anyone's familiar with like duimazil um and uh the idea of the tripartite when they're talking

02:22:28.100 about that they're talking about social structures and the idea of sovereignty and warriorship and

02:22:32.420 production but uh i think this is applications that we can see elsewhere and other aryan branches

02:22:37.700 And it mainly has to do with, I would say, the structuring of either divinity, could be divinity as an overall, in some ways it could be the structuring of sky function.

02:22:53.820 And the reason why I say sky function is because if we see things as – there's a spark and progenitory force, that which is pulled out of the primordial matter of the cosmos and then is then set forth in physical and masculine and feminine force.

02:23:16.520 We see that after this masculine and feminine force, there seems to be this presentation of a tripartite, but it doesn't always apply to sky functioning, so I wouldn't always call it the architecture of the sky as I would say just more or less the thrones of divinity.

02:23:36.600 And I like to say the thrones of divinity because we see it consistently in every Aryan branch. There isn't one that I can think of that or that I've looked into that it doesn't seem to really dominate in the lore of those people, whether it's the Luwians and the Hittites, whether it's the Aryans in India, whether it's the Gauls and the Hellenics, or the Slavs and the Tutans.

02:24:06.600 uh or you know and of course the latter norse um we see these this architecture of three

02:24:13.700 so much so that when the trinity within christianity didn't exist until it was

02:24:19.100 embedded in europeans for so long that the the trinity became a very important part of their

02:24:27.920 um theology and um i you know i i i see this number three as a as a an idea of dynamicism

02:24:38.960 there is no point i think where we can point to and say okay this is where the triplicate becomes

02:24:45.740 a thing uh we have symbols we have uh the number four in in the in the swastika or the the thunder

02:24:53.080 cross or the sun cross or um you know in the sun and rod but we have also the number three often

02:25:00.360 seen whether it's in uh triplication whether it's in the triskelion um and all these things but

02:25:06.760 there's no real point that we can point to as origin i i think that these things show dynamicism

02:25:15.320 overall and that the divinity are moving the divinity are are uh rolling in in a sense they're

02:25:22.680 not four-cornered so it's at a hard stop it's not planar it's not a vertical hard stop wall

02:25:29.480 it's the three represent kind of a a rotation if you will with specific function um and i i talk

02:25:39.240 about the tripartite in the idea that we see amongst our folk and other folk this tripartite

02:25:47.480 formulating in the thrones of dynamicism stasis and catalytic or catalystic um where we see

02:25:57.640 dynamicism as almost like free movement and the ability to interact in in and out up and down

02:26:03.720 or all the way down uh in the lower realms left and right and in every which way to move stasis is

02:26:11.080 generally either locale in the idea of a central point the axis mundi a mountain the uh high point

02:26:18.120 you can see this like as for instance i would i would denote that the throne of stasis could be

02:26:22.840 taken by heimdall as just as much as odin when on hlidskalf or a fray when he takes that position

02:26:33.720 and so i see the i call them thrones because i see this correlation of movement when we talk about

02:26:40.440 like Svaurag and Perun and Veles amongst the Slavs. And that's just one of the groups of

02:26:47.220 Slavs. There's many, and I'm learning about them more and more. So I don't want to pigeonhole

02:26:52.140 that they have very, very complex and defined in small groups that kind of make a broad sense. But

02:26:59.920 we see it amongst the continental Gauls with Teratatis and Tyrannus and with Asus, which is

02:27:07.840 more or less a theory right now as to where Esus fits into this or we see it with Dagda and Ogman

02:27:15.040 and Lu and um amongst the Atlantic Gauls or the Isle Gauls um or with the Hellenics which I brought

02:27:24.360 up was very interesting I I when I was working on um uh Njörðr at Njörðshof and I saw this

02:27:33.240 that the the three thrones and i thought about the hellenics and their connection to mathematics

02:27:37.980 and they numbered it uh you know when they speak of zeus and you see the the lightning bolt or the

02:27:44.080 scepter a singular point uh and then you see uh neptune or poseidon as a carrying a trident

02:27:51.880 and then suddenly it made sense i was just looking into tridents and looking into like

02:27:56.920 bronze age tridents and different things to make a picture well and all of a sudden i ran

02:28:03.020 into this concept with Hadis or Hades or Plutonus carrying a bident. And suddenly it was like,

02:28:10.800 oh my God, they numbered it. There's one, two, and three. The Hellenics and their dang math.

02:28:19.520 So we see this too with the Trimurti amongst the Hindus or the Tridevi when they talk about 0.95

02:28:26.800 They have a tripartite of a divine feminine. And so I think this application is cultural because you might not see a tridevi amongst, say, like the Nords or the Germanic people.

02:28:39.920 We see a far more bigger stratification of, like, say, the Earth in function, whether it's Jorv or Nertha or Grida and her being the mother of Vidar and helping Thor.

02:28:56.720 We see Gerda and we see Frigga and we see Skadi when we, you know, the connections to the mountains and all of these things.

02:29:07.300 so we see a huge plethora in the feminine amongst our people but perhaps that's not the case

02:29:13.060 amongst another people so i i call these the trifurcation thrones as like kind of an application

02:29:19.220 that may vary and it causes a lot of confusion between people and they try to correlate things

02:29:26.100 um maybe not understanding that like for instance hadis is i i would say in a stasis sense

02:29:32.340 um amongst the hellenics so that throne is a stasis throne and um but i'm not trying to

02:29:41.200 jam the the the gods into any particular format i'm trying to observe and just see in a way to

02:29:48.760 correlate maybe map out some things uh based more on the observation as we go different like a

02:29:56.140 difference between a sailor and a cartographer. A cartographer gets maps from others and interviews

02:30:02.200 bits of lore from sailors that may have seen things and they place them down and they write

02:30:07.480 them out and they take great care in creating these maps. But it's the sailor who observes

02:30:12.440 and sees things and then proposes the idea or at least acknowledges the moment of it in realism,

02:30:19.860 but not in a definitive sense. I'm not saying that this is an absolute, this is more or less

02:30:24.840 a guideline a reading of the currents underneath the ship um so you know the number three i think

02:30:33.560 is a number of dynamicism and when you see the dynamic throne it's oftentimes triplicated amongst

02:30:41.960 itself um and so again showing even more dynamicism and so i think three six and nine are a compounding

02:30:50.600 of that trinity and are very, very powerful. But if we were to break it down into three and see it

02:30:56.920 in separate, we would see catalyst, the idea of being able to move through the edges of things

02:31:03.300 and up and to the material, which we see like in with Thor, the dynamicism with Odin, being able

02:31:11.020 to move in all manners of ways. And then, of course, like in Stasis, whether we see it in

02:31:17.780 in tear or whether by losing his hand uh and losing his ability um to wield the sword or we

02:31:24.580 see it in heimdall when he's upon heaven's mountain or frey when he takes lead scalp and suddenly

02:31:31.140 you know he sees and right afterwards he immediately goes into stasis he uh he closes

02:31:36.660 down in the story he goes into his room he locks the doors he shuts the windows he's in a deep state

02:31:42.740 of of non-dynamic movement so uh that that would be my take on the on the number three i've got a

02:31:50.820 lot of stuff on that but i i could ramble about that for a very long time yeah i think three in

02:32:00.660 the multiples thereof we can find them in so many different circumstances and i think in each

02:32:08.580 circumstance we'd have a little bit different angle to express on this but

02:32:15.940 i think that it is an idea of balance and wholeness an idea that things are multifaceted

02:32:22.020 and coming from different parts in different places um in polytheism life is complex and

02:32:29.460 it's made up made up of so many different factors and angles that really add depth

02:32:36.980 and beauty to life that you don't get in the same way in a monotheistic belief system.

02:32:45.460 Nick had a question. I did want to point out like certain things that we can see

02:32:51.220 triplications in is like with Kvasir. Kvasir is singular or he's a component that's brought

02:32:59.140 together by the gods and the unification of the gods and then he is separated into a triplicate

02:33:04.180 and then taken from that triplicate and moved dynamically throughout creation is i think

02:33:10.420 important or when we see the tricking of king galfi when he goes into the hall of the icier

02:33:15.780 there are three thrones there there is high even high is how it's kind of directly translated but

02:33:21.540 it means just as high and the third so again we see that that triplicate it's everywhere

02:33:27.060 so very very we see with the nor near we see it um and again that balances it creates a spatial

02:33:36.900 aspect to time it creates a past and a in a present in a future tense um that triplicate adds

02:33:45.780 It's dimension and context to map out the space that something occupies in a lot of ways.

02:34:02.340 Nick's question, a question spurred from the conversation in chat, is there a coincidence?

02:34:07.740 Are all things the working of someone, something, or some things just random acts of life that somehow seem linked?

02:34:14.220 I would say that. Sure, some stuff is coincidence, but nothing is random.

02:34:26.440 And when I say that, I'm talking about from the perspective of the individual.

02:34:31.980 Everything that you come encounter towards doesn't necessarily have a syncretic meaning to you or to your life.

02:34:42.960 Sometimes you're an observer in other things outside yourself that don't have a direct relevance to yourself.

02:34:51.900 But I think in a microcosm, all of those things are intentional because they're all the results of all of the things that have come before them that have put them in that place.

02:35:01.700 They take place in that tapestry. Nothing is random.

02:35:05.620 The butterfly effect is real. Something very small may send out ripples that affect something major.

02:35:11.860 And I think what's important to take note of, and so I guess in that sense, there's no such thing as coincidences, but there's some things that are syncretically less relevant and syncretically more relevant.

02:35:29.800 synchronicity that's relevant to will that you've put out into the ether or, you know,

02:35:37.920 will to action, then that starts to become very significant. Or when, quote unquote,

02:35:43.260 coincidences start piling up in a way that's meaningful or outside of what seems to be,

02:35:51.180 you know, the statistically average amount of them to pile up in your life experiences,

02:35:59.060 that's when it's time to perk up and take notice um the art of recognizing synchronicity and being

02:36:06.580 able to differentiate what is meaningful and what's not relevant to uh to a given situation

02:36:15.860 is a challenge you have a lot of people especially new people or people who just take a very deep

02:36:22.740 dive and aren't uh into the the metaphysical and aren't particularly grounded they'll find

02:36:29.460 themselves overwhelmed every you know every noise everything they see every anything is a sign or is

02:36:37.860 you know some momentous occurrence and when everything's at volume 10 you don't know

02:36:45.940 you know you can't put the emphasis on truly important things if everything is amplified that

02:36:51.700 much having the art to know when some things are volume two or volume three that gives you the

02:36:59.060 context to knowing things are very important and meaningful being able to see and hone in on

02:37:04.980 synchronicities that are relevant either to yourself or to a situation that you're contemplating

02:37:12.100 that is very much the root of willful magic and i think that's fundamentally essential to the

02:37:18.340 stuff that we do. What are your thoughts, Swan? I think I agree with what you're saying. I think

02:37:26.260 that it's the perception of things that makes coincidence. We can, you could be sitting on

02:37:35.380 one end of a big great body of water, and you're pouring water into that water, and it creates

02:37:41.700 ripples. And those ripples, the laws of movement and things that are displaced and are going,

02:37:48.340 And I throw a rock on the other end, and that creates ripples.

02:37:51.320 And then somewhere in between, there could be an item like a leaf that gets rocked from both ripples, causes some great movement.

02:38:02.420 Maybe there's a frog on the leaf, and he gets knocked off the leaf.

02:38:06.380 And oh, what a coincidence.

02:38:08.020 But those coincidences are sourced on finite action that may have not understood the gravitas of the entirety of that.

02:38:17.700 So when we perceive that moment as coincidence, but yet all things, like you said, with the butterfly effect, they do source from something.

02:38:26.380 It's just that their outcome and intention may not be fully aware.

02:38:30.380 And depending on how disconnected we are to the moment, we could perceive all of these events as being simply coincidental.

02:38:39.100 But I don't take much stock in that.

02:38:42.040 It's just our lack of awareness, our lack of awareness and our perception in the moment that makes us allude to what we call coincidence.

02:38:57.720 All right.

02:39:01.220 Another question.

02:39:03.020 Do you think it's important to honor the gods in your prayers rather than asking for something every time, a gift for a gift?

02:39:10.780 yes and you hit upon kind of a pet peeve of mine we've got this old saying in aussitru that a gift

02:39:19.980 demands a gift and so we've gotten in this habit of repeating it all the time as if it's some kind

02:39:26.940 of of sacred writ and it's not um yes the the rune gabo implies that gifts are reciprocal

02:39:36.540 and there's an equilibrium in exchange but a gift for gift the gods don't owe me stuff

02:39:45.740 i owe the gods lots of stuff um to go before a deity and demand that they repay you for 0.98

02:39:57.500 a couple teaspoons of mead that you pour out is ridiculous and it's not only is it ridiculous

02:40:05.420 it's offensive um the gods bless us in tremendous ways all of the time and approaching our gods with 0.97

02:40:15.980 an attitude of of thankfulness and of wanting to exalt and honor them is extremely beneficial

02:40:25.640 rather than always coming before them with your handout um and if you look at the

02:40:30.980 the magnitude of the exchange

02:40:35.620 um the gods don't really need the little things that we individually offer them

02:40:43.600 if we offer them in the right uh in the right attitude and in the right way they're appreciated

02:40:49.860 or they can be appreciated but uh the owned odor and law we appreciate every single day

02:40:59.560 through our existence. Us being here and existing and having the vital life breath that we have

02:41:07.340 is worth far more than I burnt 50 cents worth of incense on the altar and gave you a shot of meat.

02:41:16.480 Where's my stuff? And I'm not being silly, but I mean, play that out in your mind. How offensive

02:41:23.840 is that for some random dude in a circle to start yelling about how a gift demands a gift,

02:41:32.120 therefore give me your blessings. You don't tell the gods what to do.

02:41:37.140 How dare you presume to tell a God what you demand of them?

02:41:43.840 And I know that it's become habit in our practice, but it's a habit that we need to break.

02:41:49.540 Yes, exchanging things is important.

02:41:52.420 The gift cycle is the key to our relationship.

02:41:56.120 But do you ever do that to a human?

02:41:59.220 Give them a gift with the demand that they give you one back?

02:42:03.400 No, it's typically nice to reciprocate.

02:42:06.220 But sometimes at somebody's birthday, you just give them a gift.

02:42:09.480 They don't give you a gift on their birthday.

02:42:11.660 Sometimes you just do nice things for people.

02:42:13.620 If you approached your parents with here is a gift. Now I demand something in return, how rude and disrespectful that would be. If you approached a king in this world and gave them something and demanded something for them, how inappropriate would that be? How much more so would that be to a God?

02:42:35.640 um so yeah i think it's extremely important to honor the gods in your prayers rather than

02:42:42.120 always asking for stuff what are your thoughts fun uh yeah um nail on the head there i think

02:42:52.660 the biggest thing too is like um the gods aren't i mean in oust true we believe living is good

02:42:59.940 that life is good and that the gift of life and the gift uh that we are that we are given from our

02:43:06.360 our ancestors that we are given from our parents even if the the conditions of life may be hard or

02:43:13.920 are um are not ideal in comparison to something else that whatever that litmus is um the idea of

02:43:22.600 life itself is good and that there's an opportunity uh that has been given in the premise of life so

02:43:27.800 the interesting thing is the gods don't lord that over our heads they're not demanding a gift

02:43:35.180 like we're not indebted in the sense that there are you're in debt to me you better better you

02:43:42.780 know honor me in every way uh and if you don't you're going to a bad place um it's not like that

02:43:49.460 That premise isn't set. What instead is set is that the long culmination of what we do

02:43:58.640 and how we exist is seen in a sense of gratitude. And in that sense of gratitude,

02:44:03.660 we seek to build better relationships with those who have been gracious with us.

02:44:08.980 They've already been gracious with us. And they want to see us in our existence, how we interact,

02:44:17.320 How do we live? What will we take? Even in the worst of times, how will we act? How will we be?

02:44:25.380 Our gift cycle is a reoccurrence or a reemergence, a reapplication of an original gift cycle that was started by the gods, not by us.

02:44:45.140 to the gods, started by them, and then we reciprocate, and then it creates this cycle

02:44:51.460 of leaving avenues open, making sure that the pathway between the gods and ourselves are open,

02:44:59.580 well-worn, and truly, well, to be honest, worthy of being tread by the gods. You know, we create

02:45:08.360 those, the temples, we create our actions, we create the pathways between us and the gods,

02:45:13.680 And we don't just wear them out. We build on them. We build around them. We make them bridges. We make them roads. We make them tunnels. Whatever way it needs to be done, we do that to make sure that that avenue between us is always open.

02:45:34.200 And that's what I think when we're giving to the gods is we're formulating and making – we're building those roads brick by brick by brick by brick or wall or guardrail or pylon or skyway.

02:45:47.380 Whatever it needs to be, we're building that because the gift they have given us first is good, and so therefore we must keep those pathways open.

02:45:56.640 It's important for us.

02:45:57.520 If we don't, we die like flowers that wilt in the cold.

02:46:04.200 Um, and, and I think they know it.

02:46:07.200 So they do remind us every once in a while.

02:46:08.920 I think they inspire us to, to reclimate these things and to go back and turn our heads and

02:46:14.580 kind of pull our, pull us out of the muck of it all.

02:46:17.760 But, and, and again, that's another gracious gift that they give us.

02:46:20.660 But yeah, the, the, the idea of asking strictly for something in return, I think is, is, is

02:46:28.760 folly.

02:46:30.120 I think that understanding that we do have need sometimes, and if the God's grace us with the wisdom of understanding and how to get past this need, it may not be in the form of like something, but maybe just leading in a direction.

02:46:44.400 And that direction leads us to finding a resolution of that problem that we have, then you're blessed.

02:46:55.100 You're blessed by the gods.

02:46:55.900 But if not, and you find it yourself, then you have proven to the gods there again that you're willing, you're not expecting them to point you in the right direction.

02:47:06.000 And sometimes they don't because they know that your time for yourself is coming for yourself.

02:47:14.040 All of these things are, these coincidences are wrapping around and the waves that are being shot across this well are eventually going to interlap.

02:47:24.660 And it may intersect. So sometimes just knowing that is, I think, enough for the gods to not interact, but necessarily to just wait and you find that blessing and they know it's there.

02:47:41.420 So I don't recommend always coming with the obligation of receiving something.

02:47:48.120 As they say, beware of someone who gives over much. They're trying to put you into debt.

02:47:53.440 The gods did not put us into debt, but we should still be aware of the gift that they've given us.

02:47:58.620 And we should keep the roads between them and those who give good gifts readily open, constantly tended and never overgrown with weeds.

02:48:11.260 What's Odin's purpose in hosting Loki within the halls of Asgard?

02:48:16.460 How would you expound upon the connection between them?

02:48:20.300 If Odin knows the consequences of the relationship, why does he keep the oath?

02:48:26.340 What are your thoughts on this, Svon?

02:48:34.000 From a material standpoint, when we talk about Loki and when we talk about the Continentals or things like that,

02:48:43.280 Like, there's a scance record of Loki as, like, revelation to, or relevation to the people of the continent.

02:48:55.500 It's a stretch in some sense of the word, but clearly it's very, very much there amongst the Nordics.

02:49:01.820 And I would say that Loki is a component, and I would say more so a catalystic component that teaches us many lessons.

02:49:15.420 Myths are perennially truthful.

02:49:25.660 Took me a minute to get that out there.

02:49:27.360 um so that the consistency of truth is always applicable in a cycle of of movement and motion

02:49:36.040 um so when we see and understand the catalystic moment in which uh if we're taking

02:49:45.980 things outside of the circular the balder is dead balder is amongst the gods and balder is

02:49:53.000 returning or has returned. We see things cyclically and compounded, much like a spring.

02:50:00.460 But if we're going to take a section, we're going to pull it out and we're going to look at it to

02:50:03.620 understand the perennial truth of it. See that? It just came out like that. The idea of

02:50:11.580 uh, Loki and Ovin and like say the relation of Balder, uh, knowing

02:50:21.440 the ultimate outcome of this situation, the idea of the seed. We have the Lord of Light,

02:50:31.520 balder being slain by the darker half the the the dark side of it of the of the of the light

02:50:41.340 of the soul and guided by a treacherous and foreign hand now oftentimes we call loki the

02:50:47.940 kinslayer because if the oath is a lot of people think like odin kept an oath with loki well loki

02:50:52.980 kept an oath uh with odin and to kill your own blood brother's son makes you a kinslayer but

02:51:00.340 do you expect anything less from a treacherous one? So again, are we to be surprised? And then 0.98

02:51:08.500 this comes to the idea of whether or not the application of wisdom is that he understood

02:51:13.920 that there needed to be a force of that treachery in order to enact the eternal and perennial truth

02:51:24.240 that the light must be must recede into the darkness before it can be born again

02:51:29.400 before it can rise again is this solar myth yes is this perennial wisdom about consciousness

02:51:38.540 and darkness and uh about the value of uh that of the outer guard coming into the inner guard

02:51:46.460 yes it's all there and how you digest that i think can apply in many different ways

02:51:52.840 um if if balder is encapsulated living and risen then so too is loki enacting bound and released

02:52:05.760 myth works in a very difficult concept outside of logic and i think it's important that we

02:52:15.240 understand those those truths to apply in those various levels if we if we know them the stories

02:52:23.160 if we know that ragnarok is coming does it change our our fate does it change the things that we do

02:52:32.680 or do the things that we do ultimately facilitate the event the inevitable anyways and i think in a

02:52:38.040 lot of ways that's the way that the dynamic of the stories with loki and odin and balder and

02:52:43.320 holder are all played out and so to say that there's some sort of folly in knowing that this

02:52:54.440 is to come uh or or some of the lessons that are learned throughout the entirety of this whole arc

02:53:02.120 um it all has great wisdom and i think it's it's important to understand that

02:53:06.760 that that encompassing knowledge um and that things do happen that

02:53:14.040 predecess good things darkness does come before light uh rises um so you could take this in many

02:53:23.080 many different ways um is it good to honor that which is event we know is inevitably going to be

02:53:31.800 a kinslayer is going to be um malicious and uh degenerative uh you know we see this in the story

02:53:41.160 of the gods and we should learn from these lessons we should see what the gods how they interact with

02:53:46.680 this and knowing like um you know like with scotty looking upon loki and she's an outsider

02:53:55.080 and he's an outsider but she's brought in she's synthesized he's not he's not synthesized he's

02:54:03.960 intertwined but he's not synthesized and he never is and um there's many testaments to

02:54:11.400 there being a link but there's never a full synthesizing of him into the ice here and i

02:54:17.080 think that's because he is a catalyst of dynamic force that's outside of the gods and outside of

02:54:23.160 cosmic order and he initiates a deep reaction that needs to happen and um it's not good

02:54:34.620 shouldn't be seen as good it shouldn't be oh well if you know if odin knew that it was going to

02:54:38.260 happen then you know he's not really that bad no the end result is still the same kinslayer

02:54:44.440 guiding the hand um taking advantage of the situation um these are all you know ill things

02:54:52.460 that are laid out in order for us to take that lesson so so when we get overly literal

02:55:04.640 with the stories of our gods we miss bigger truths because of a hyper focus on on story truths

02:55:16.860 um the narrative in our mythos isn't intended to be literal it's intended to teach us lessons

02:55:27.420 um it's intended to convey bigger truth to us in a way that's digestible um

02:55:36.360 and also it's it's frigga that knows all these things and and keeps silent about them as opposed

02:55:46.200 to odin knowing all things he doesn't know every single thing and the outcome of every single thing

02:55:54.280 or else his uh wisdom quests wouldn't wouldn't be of value sending out hugan and munan wouldn't be

02:56:02.200 necessary um his wisdom of past things from mimir is is immense but even in a story sense that's

02:56:11.880 stretching the things that he knows uh too far um but the the theme of chaos being

02:56:25.880 uncontrollable at some point and poisoning order the theme of people that you let in

02:56:34.200 mistreating your hospitality and betraying you these themes are extremely important for us to

02:56:40.520 understand and are fundamental to our existence and i think some of that is what's played out

02:56:45.480 on a grand scale in the particulars of that story understanding that we talked about

02:56:55.720 some of that is part of odin's knowledge quest we talked about that earlier it's best for man

02:57:00.280 to be middling wise you don't want to know about the betrayal that happens from a friend that you

02:57:06.520 let in um i think that's one of the more tragic things that we realize in our own lives

02:57:12.840 as we grow to maturity is the the full knowledge of betrayal is one of the heaviest burdens to to

02:57:20.440 bear um so i think that the tale about the consuming nature of of loki that chaos and

02:57:28.520 letting that chaos in and the consequences of letting a little bit of chaos in uh teach us

02:57:34.040 very valuable lessons for the future and i think that that's a necessary plot element to tell the

02:57:40.440 stories of our gods in a way for people to wrap their heads around you need villains interacting

02:57:47.640 in order for a story to have an arc that has meaningful meaningful depth and lessons to be

02:57:54.120 drawn from it so this question i knew was coming because i've been watching the chat for a while

02:58:03.320 so there's there's more to it than just the question there was a couple other things but

02:58:07.320 amanda love cats asks does the afa accept jewish members then she went on to say she's not jewish

02:58:14.840 but that she's heard from people that the afa has a lot of jewish members and a lot of jewish

02:58:19.960 members of leadership from who who are these members these jewish members of leadership 0.94

02:58:26.840 that's silly one of the really toxic things about our folk is the insistence on every time we have 1.00

02:58:36.740 a disagreement we've got to chalk it up to some hidden Jewish force um I think that holds us back

02:58:45.260 and I think it holds us back a lot from truth I think the hyper obsession with playing you know 0.75

02:58:50.840 find the Hebrew on everything is, is detrimental and prevents our advancements. One of the things 1.00

02:58:58.720 she's, she also said is, you know, well, Jews look white, so the AFA just lets them in or whatever

02:59:04.500 first. There needs to be a little bit of realness here, a couple of different things.

02:59:11.960 Jewish people is the term she used Jewish members, I think. If you are a practicing Jew,

02:59:17.780 if you practice the religion of judaism and we know this we do not let you in the astro folk 1.00

02:59:23.540 assembly because obviously you're not also true um further if you are ethnically jewish meaning

02:59:30.340 if you are a semitic person with middle eastern semitic uh hebrew that's your heritage that shows

02:59:39.620 those people look middle eastern and we do not let those people in there's certain markers that 0.97

02:59:47.380 clearly are not us and folks that are not us are not allowed to be in the austro folk assembly no 0.83

02:59:53.540 we don't go blood test everyone and take skull measurements and no if you look like us and you

03:00:01.700 are a white person from europe then no we don't root around to try to find ancestors to blame any

03:00:08.420 disagreement that we have with you on that's preposterous uh no we don't knowingly let

03:00:14.500 any jewish people into the as true folk assembly is they have an ethnic faith of their own called

03:00:19.860 judaism that they practice um it's hard to tell sometimes with those questions whether they're 0.83

03:00:26.340 real questions or whether they're set up questions but being honest is is the right answer to them no

03:00:34.260 matter what that's the afa's stance i don't know who's telling you these things but you probably

03:00:42.340 need to find a better and more reliable source for your information but i'll say this assume

03:00:48.180 this is a legitimate question you had the the courage to come on and ask it straight up and

03:00:52.820 i've tried to answer it in as straight up a way as i could um next question oh i actually have

03:01:02.580 and this is from based red pill boycott coat products oh i actually have a question can you 0.60

03:01:09.140 please sue the hell out of marvel for all its petty or pretty boy multiculturalism viking stuff

03:01:16.260 and using the name thor no we can't do that that's not how lawsuits work um i wish that they didn't do 0.83

03:01:23.140 that we do not have a copyright on the name thor we cannot sue them for that marvel has utilized

03:01:31.140 for in a commercial way since the 1960s i believe um

03:01:39.140 that's just not the way lawsuits work and the other thing about lawsuits and this is

03:01:43.300 branching off this is not really about the marvel thing but every time somebody does something

03:01:50.420 first the marvel thing is not actionable but even when people do something that's actionable

03:01:54.980 unfortunately justice is very expensive in the society in which we live to press a lawsuit on

03:02:03.340 something is tens of thousands of dollars with no guarantee of success as i mentioned earlier in the

03:02:11.440 program and as i'm about to mention in the next hour the afa has other stuff that is a much better

03:02:18.280 use of those funds rather than lawsuits over petty things it's not to say we won't engage in

03:02:24.860 them over stuff that has a very significant impact. But, you know, 20 or 30 grand involved

03:02:30.540 in a petty lawsuit could much better be spent towards getting us that next half or towards

03:02:36.400 getting a Sigerheim. It's a good time now to talk about Sigerheim. We're making progress on that.

03:02:44.620 We have a conversation going on with a realtor and we have a plot that we're very, very excited

03:02:52.740 about and we're moving forward with that but we need y'all's help um again your generosity is what

03:02:58.820 makes these dreams happen this will definitely happen but it happened a lot quicker if you guys

03:03:03.460 are generous and help us um our next question to chew on is sorry if a bit off topic since odin

03:03:16.740 is the god of sagas stories does the afa have any thoughts or plans on creating slash promoting

03:03:24.260 slash sharing heathen based fiction modern or otherwise i asked because since the afa

03:03:32.100 is moving to provide educational resources to heathens

03:03:36.660 uh i didn't know if there was an interest in cultural resources as well um

03:03:43.380 No, there's no plans on that. And I think it's because we don't have a lot of people that

03:03:51.560 are creators of works of fiction right now, certainly not that I'm aware of. But it's,

03:04:03.200 I don't know, I think it's good timing that you ask when Svan is here, because what Svan and I

03:04:08.280 been talking about a lot lately is some music and dancing things to enhance culture in the way that

03:04:17.240 you're talking about. We've been working for a while, Svahn and I, with some art endeavors.

03:04:23.160 And one of the things we've been talking about, especially as Sigurheim is coming into fruition,

03:04:28.840 is developing music and cultural dance. And I think I'll let Svahn talk about that a little bit.

03:04:37.000 it spawn tell us about the musical arts in the afa that we were talking about uh well a couple

03:04:44.360 of a couple things too i i think uh just to point out when we talk about fiction and let's say um

03:04:50.920 uh kind of been seeing like um i forgot the name of the book i think it's the

03:04:57.080 uh it's like a young boy and he's interacting with the hellenic kind of pantheon stories um

03:05:03.880 I remember kids reading it for a while there.

03:05:08.540 I think the biggest thing is understanding that some modern art expressions of fiction, if they're unpious and if they're kind of making mundane of the gods, I don't think you're going to see that very much out of us.

03:05:23.940 um however if there was to say be a fictional story uh with a plot and an entirety of itself

03:05:32.660 and one of the maybe the main character is devout to the gods and and there is some

03:05:38.760 showing of his devotion and how he does these things um and that's kind of a side point to

03:05:45.400 the overall arcing story i could see that coming um you know who knows i mean maybe

03:05:51.260 like one day I'll retire and just start sitting around um can folks hear me Svon cut out and I

03:06:16.580 cannot hear Svan or the last part of his answer there. I can't hear myself either. I'm not sure

03:06:26.480 what's happening here. Hold on. Let me manage some technical difficulties. I can't hear myself

03:06:33.540 either. I'm not sure what's happening here. Hold on. Let me manage some technical difficulties.

03:06:38.360 All right, I think I've got something.

03:06:40.300 I can't hear myself.

03:06:41.780 I'm not sure what's happening here.

03:06:43.980 Hold on, let me manage some technical difficulties.

03:06:46.260 All right, I think I've got something.

03:06:48.200 I can't hear myself.

03:06:49.380 I'm not sure what's happening.

03:06:54.540 One second, guys.

03:07:03.780 I'm sorry if you can still hear me.

03:07:05.940 Okay, you guys can hear me.

03:07:07.340 I cannot hear me and I cannot hear Svan. So hopefully Nick on the back end can help me

03:07:14.600 figure out what's going on either way. Josh asks, hello, Gothar. I'd love to ask,

03:07:23.540 have you fellas any thoughts about Galdor practices and frequency,

03:07:28.080 i.e. how they may relate to the idea around healing tones and hurts. So

03:07:37.340 Yes, but I don't know how fleshed out those thoughts are. To me, Galdr is very often about vibration. Vibration is essential to good Galdr, I think, and it definitely affects the world around us.

03:07:58.740 Now, the science of it is something else.

03:08:03.120 It definitely has an effect, and we're speaking those things into existence, and it does have a resonance that can more easily put folks into a meditative state, certainly.

03:08:13.680 I know that we do, not for a specific vibrational frequency thing, not intentionally that way anyway.

03:08:22.860 We do absolutely, Galder, during all of our healing rituals I've ever been a part of.

03:08:28.740 Gawler is a huge part of that, specifically around the Rune Uruz.

03:08:34.440 But I'd like to hear what Svan has to say on that.

03:08:38.280 He has disappeared on my interface because, again, I'm having some technical difficulties.

03:08:43.640 I am not sure if he is up on your end or not.

03:08:48.380 Svan is gone.

03:08:50.020 So, okay, that may be part of what is going on.

03:08:53.860 I'm going to hope that Nick can handle that on the back end and we can get him back.

03:09:01.440 If not, I'll try to continue answering your questions.

03:09:09.460 What or who is the being we call Odin to you?

03:09:18.500 It's a big question, and I'm trying to think of the best way to...

03:09:23.860 The best way to encapsulate that, Odin is one of our most regal gods.

03:09:40.400 He is a god that inspires and has been fundamental to AFA success for ever.

03:09:53.860 He's the God we dedicated our first Hoff to and whose Hoff I very often get to worship at and officiate at.

03:10:02.420 he is a God I look to for approval and for guidance as a as a leader and seek to

03:10:16.200 to understand better or to make sure that the things I'm doing are in line with

03:10:24.160 things he would approve of or things he would be proud of things he would

03:10:27.840 want for his folk and for his AFA.

03:10:37.220 He is one of, I'd say, a driving force in inspiration and in pushing us forward to

03:10:46.720 accomplish and to win and to be victorious.

03:10:49.420 and he is a god that certainly looked over the astrofocus simply since our very beginning

03:11:00.060 and that in no way encapsulates all of who odin is to me but he's also the god that

03:11:06.560 put his hand on my shoulder at ostara of 2017

03:11:13.540 a God that I've engaged in countless ritual to and for and with, and a God that I think that

03:11:26.420 I've been, I feel like I've been successful in connecting our folk with Odin and connecting

03:11:38.780 odin with our folk in ritual um i hope that i have i feel like that's one of the one of the

03:11:48.060 best connections i've been able to make and i'm consistently able to make during ritual again like

03:11:54.060 i say i don't want to i don't want to assume too much but i i feel that that's a real thing

03:11:59.420 It's probably the best I've got on that.

03:12:07.180 How does Odin personally show himself to you in your life?

03:12:14.100 Okay, I suppose it's a little bit of a follow up of the previous question.

03:12:17.320 I answered some of it, but Odin shows himself in my life through blessings that he bestows upon us as the AFA.

03:12:35.640 Sitting at the helm of the AFA, so often people ask, you know, Matt, how are you doing?

03:12:42.920 And the only answer that I know to give is, well, the AFA is doing great.

03:12:46.660 well, the AFA has got this going on. Well, we're doing this in the AFA. The separation between

03:12:52.860 myself personally and the Astru Folk Assembly, those lines are irrevocably blurred to where

03:12:59.840 it's one equation. So I see Odin's interaction with me in the way that he interacts with the

03:13:07.220 Astru Folk Assembly. He interacts with me often because I have the blessing of being able to

03:13:15.440 officiate ritual towards him frequently and presiding over things at his half very often. So

03:13:22.020 in the feelings and the blessing and the inspiration that occurs during those

03:13:28.980 things, he interacts with me in that way. And he serves as a constant reminder of duty and of

03:13:39.180 need to win and need to achieve as I approach him on my altar.

03:13:45.800 So I think that's a way that he reveals himself in my life.

03:13:48.860 the next question i've got uh have you heard about the town in tennessee national vanguard

03:14:09.420 scott they're calling it a town i can't find any photos um no i haven't i'm not sure what

03:14:17.020 the situation is with that i don't know much about that at all it's interesting and i think

03:14:22.780 it's syncretic that so many of us are looking at tennessee as a special place to to establish a

03:14:30.940 future um all right so you've got a question uh jason stewart has a question about pet peeves

03:14:43.260 he's asked one of spawn but spawn is not with us any longer um so

03:14:50.700 what are my pet peeves

03:14:55.980 they are legion there's there's a lot of things that uh i could say there and come into mind right

03:15:04.140 now not a ton because i'm you know i'm in my happy place this is what i love doing and i'm

03:15:10.220 in a very positive place right now as far as pet peeves i don't know i mentioned earlier the you

03:15:16.700 know the old saying about a gift demands a gift that's a pet peeve of mine um within our folk a

03:15:25.100 lack of piety and uh um are people not treating the gods with the reverence that uh our gods are

03:15:34.700 do is certainly a pet peeve of mine um shoot i have a ton of other you know just random nuisance

03:15:45.580 things during the course of a day that are pet peeves but i don't think any that are really

03:15:49.820 worth mentioning right now um and looks like with that we have uh two more questions that i see

03:15:59.900 so if svan gets back we'll continue with him and if not i will answer these last questions

03:16:05.340 and bid you guys good night um question for me what is your stance on fate

03:16:15.980 so that's an interesting one um

03:16:18.220 i think there's a very complex interplay that goes on there i don't believe

03:16:32.540 in locked in stone fate because i think that circumvents all of the the meaning of life

03:16:41.900 We absolutely have free will and you might have a destiny in the sense that you are projected towards something or that you are foreseen as ought to be able to do something.

03:16:54.900 But you can shirk the responsibility of your destiny and fall flat on things you are poised to be great at doing.

03:17:04.900 If everything is completely preordained, then there is no success nor failure.

03:17:13.220 Those things add so much context to life, I think they're essential to any conception of life that's real.

03:17:20.800 That being said, I think that's reflected in the names of our Nornir.

03:17:26.940 um earth translates very well to to past or that from which other things come um for dandy

03:17:37.500 translates very well as as present and in the moment but scold is the same root as should

03:17:44.300 it's not things will happen x way it's things should happen x way and you can judge by past

03:17:53.380 and present what projections you're projected towards in the future and you can work within

03:18:00.340 those currents and within your destiny or you can alter things or uh you know check out and not

03:18:09.060 be part of your destiny you still have options but there's certainly with the weaving of things

03:18:16.340 forces at play to move people and events in certain ways and those are very powerful forces

03:18:23.380 All right, so another question, could I possibly expound a bit on Odin's role in the wild hunt?

03:18:40.620 A little bit. During the spooky part of the year, when the Wild Hunt rages, Odin, in different traditions, they describe it differently, and sometimes they even describe different leaders of the Wild Hunt.

03:19:01.960 But the idea of Odin leading ghostly souls through the the cold and windy winter woods in search of of people who are out when they shouldn't be and hunting and reaping.

03:19:20.960 um some of that i think is a very profound way of expressing that furious energy of of odin that

03:19:34.640 furious raging through the woods and knocking down anything in his way like a powerful wind

03:19:42.860 that idea that we talked about at the top of the show of an overwhelming frenzy or an

03:19:51.880 overwhelming inspiration, an overwhelming ecstatic state. This is a time where Odin

03:19:59.980 rides free through the wilderness and through the woods and through the dark places and through our

03:20:05.580 minds and through our hearts. When Odin is on the ride in his furious glory through the darkness

03:20:13.380 of winter, it is a magical time. But again, as the stories show, it's a time to be very respectful

03:20:21.400 and not nonchalant about going out into the world and letting things happen. It's a time to be very

03:20:30.220 reflective and very careful. But it's also one of the most sacred times of the year. It's when

03:20:35.140 were closest to our ancestors. It's when we have our highest times of celebration. It's literally

03:20:42.300 come down to us as the holiday season. But yeah, there's that other that draws closer out in the

03:20:51.040 world and out in the woods. How can I tell what gods are reaching out to me? That is a very

03:20:58.580 complicated question and it's one that um i think a lot of people have i know that myself i i have

03:21:05.700 that question sometimes um and i don't have any perfect answer for you uh so much of the answer

03:21:13.620 to that question relies on your personal intuition your personal feelings things that only have a

03:21:21.140 context or relevance to you. And I think the more accustomed you become to our faith and the more

03:21:28.820 you build relationship with our gods, the more you'll pick up on what things feel like which of

03:21:37.200 the gods. But there's no such thing as a really good answer on that. Sometimes you'll have a dream

03:21:46.160 or a vision or something will occur to you that's very specific you're very fortunate if you have

03:21:51.280 that more often than not these are feelings that you've got to interpret for yourself the best way

03:21:57.840 that you can uh svan has returned um let's backtrack a little bit because there was a

03:22:07.360 question specifically uh for you hey svan what are your pet peeves

03:22:16.160 it's fine yes i can hear you now excellent uh to worth to be noting too there's uh

03:22:31.520 construction on the road near um my home and then in a military base nearby and they have been

03:22:40.160 tearing down power lines and fiber optic lines and putting them back up at strange times

03:22:46.160 so i think that might be going on

03:22:51.760 spawn what are your pet peeves

03:22:54.880 oh in regards to how it's true or in general that's a good question the uh the listener

03:23:02.560 or i guess watcher just asked what are your pet peeves

03:23:08.400 oh uh i absolutely hate it when someone uh chews with their mouth open

03:23:16.160 it it bothers me to no end there you have it ragefully inducing so all right there you have

03:23:24.960 it um so a question that i got just a second ago that i think you may want to chime in on

03:23:30.320 we don't have very many questions left um how do you know what gods are reaching out to you

03:23:37.680 i think this would be in correlation to

03:23:46.080 multiple things it could be uh you know again i i prayed i asked uh just for something a sign

03:23:57.260 perhaps um if there were if there was to be anything in that and perhaps a series of events

03:24:05.360 and what would be conceived as coincidence or not uh led me to that and i believe that there

03:24:11.200 was a correlation between that that moment with the feathers and with ovin um oftentimes it

03:24:22.880 it can be seen i think more so through uh symbology or the breaking of the mundane

03:24:30.960 the breaking of the mundane is the thing that really really shows uh perhaps if there's a

03:24:38.560 moment in which uh a thunderstorm or uh something of that nature and uh in a lot of ways too like a

03:24:47.960 perfect example um praying to thor for the midwest to get the second half

03:25:00.300 when we were looking for Thor's off it wasn't originally when we weren't looking at the east

03:25:06.900 coast so my prayers to to Thor was there was a thunderstorm outside and I took this opportunity

03:25:15.620 I said I just want if there are folks out in the midwest that are looking for a temple

03:25:21.620 to give you a a godstead you know let them be blessed please let them be blessed if this is

03:25:29.640 to happen and it didn't happen there instead it happened right at my feet i took that as a

03:25:37.220 connection to thor um you know it's i i guess assuredness isn't always the case sometimes it

03:25:47.080 is a matter of whether or not you you have a correlative sense sometimes i think that the

03:25:52.580 ancestors speak to us a lot i think that god they're very busy and sometimes we have a tendency

03:25:59.520 to give that to the gods like oh the gods are talking to me sometimes i think that's it is our

03:26:04.240 ancestors that are um kind of interacting through that well um uh and their and their connection to

03:26:14.520 us so to absolute for absolutions i can't give an answer to that i think it's more or less a

03:26:21.720 something outside of the mundane and again it's all really dependent on your observation skills

03:26:28.160 and your ability to see the application of things around you and again our perceptions of things

03:26:35.200 but to give you an absolute as to which god or or which which house or which house in you

03:26:44.280 that's hard to tell that's why i think it's always best to just give thanks to them all

03:26:48.640 but if you have something that is deeply correlated and really stands out i think that's

03:26:57.200 one of the biggest things that will guide you in a direction to understanding

03:27:04.080 matt flavel do you eat junk food yes i'm disgusting with it so

03:27:11.600 i what i do is the if it fits your macros and that way i calculate all of my carbs all of my

03:27:20.800 fat all of my protein and i keep a running tally so if i go off the reservation on it i got a debt

03:27:28.240 that i've got to make up and it keeps me honest it works really well for me it's been working for me

03:27:35.120 it means that i can eat whatever i want when i when i want to but then i have to pay for it

03:27:42.320 in subsequent days to get back to even out the scales but i absolutely do i've got a ridiculous 0.51

03:27:48.640 sweet tooth and i i eat like a fat dude has been told when uh when i go on these things so so often

03:27:57.040 i eat for maintenance around the house um that i eat very very clean and then when i go on a road

03:28:04.320 trip or when i travel or you know when i'm celebrating i i go hard i go hard on the the gas

03:28:11.360 fast station candy and the Pringles and whatever I can get my hands on. And it's gross and offensive

03:28:20.680 to all starving people around the world, how much junk that I end up eating on those occasions.

03:28:26.820 But with the counting my macros, again, I keep a record of all of it. And I'm able to zero that

03:28:33.640 out and make sure that in the long term, I'm not getting an overabundance of the wrong kind of

03:28:39.220 calories. So that works really well for me. And it has for a long time. And it works really well

03:28:45.000 psychologically, because I don't feel like I'm giving up things that I love, I just have to be

03:28:49.540 moderate about how often that I do that. Jason says last from him. But it's not true,

03:29:00.120 because I see another question right below this from him. Last from me, how do you earn your,

03:29:07.440 how do you earn your stance on alzharagothi

03:29:12.260 i'm not sure i understand i'm not sure that i understand that question jason i'm sorry

03:29:20.260 how do i earn oh how did i earn my position as alzharagothi i'm going to assume that's what

03:29:30.800 you meant and i will answer that and if i don't hit what you meant please throw another question

03:29:34.880 up and i'll make sure that i get to it better um so i've been part of the afa for a long time and i

03:29:45.040 jumped right in when i when i joined the afa i was in alaska and i jumped right in and became

03:29:52.480 a folk builder for alaska um trying to think what year that was but uh i was a folk builder for

03:30:01.520 for Alaska for a good number of years. And I tried to do that. And what I think was really

03:30:06.820 important to my advancement wasn't just that, but getting outside of my box and traveling.

03:30:12.540 So 2010 was the first year that I made it to a midsummer out in California. It was before we

03:30:18.620 had Odin's off. So it was at a camp in Alta, California, but it was the first national event

03:30:24.760 that I'd been to. And I got to meet a lot of the leaders there. And, you know, I was all in. So I

03:30:30.860 tried to be the most active and best volunteer that I could be because I knew this is what I

03:30:36.780 wanted my life to be about. I didn't know at that time it would be in this role, but I knew it would

03:30:41.860 be with this family, with this AFA. And so I threw myself all in and I tried to do the best I can to

03:30:47.320 help out where I could. And I made the right connections with the right people. I eventually

03:30:54.000 became the assistant folk builder coordinator early on and I tried hard to do the best job I

03:30:59.400 could at that and that was recognized and when that guy moved up and got a different position

03:31:07.440 I looks like we lost Fawn again but when that when that guy moved up and the position of folk

03:31:15.440 builder coordinator which is again a position we don't have at this time but we did back then

03:31:19.340 and there was a false start with a guy named Travis that had it for about a week before me

03:31:30.060 But then I was very quickly made the folk builder coordinator.

03:31:33.520 And at this time, I was also ordained as a as a Goathe.

03:31:37.720 And this was like 2012 spawns back.

03:31:42.220 So in about 2012, I was working very hard as a folk builder coordinator at that time.

03:31:49.340 That got me a spot on the board of directors.

03:31:52.680 and i worked with uh the guy who was second in command who was the um chief operating officer

03:32:02.420 or chief of staff uh he had a couple of different titles that he was called this guy named brad he

03:32:07.920 was a very good friend of mine and uh he was the guy who i took over for um in a sense as folk

03:32:14.080 Builder coordinator, he, I'd say he, Steve McNallan, and myself were kind of a, you know,

03:32:24.020 we worked very closely together in a lot of ways. At that time, I think I was officially

03:32:31.160 number three in the church, but there were some people that are kind of existed in a

03:32:37.980 different way. Sheila was certainly very, very important at the time, but in a different

03:32:43.080 way than brad and myself and we had a lot of interaction um and then you know some things

03:32:49.460 happened with with brad and how that turned out to where he parted ways with the house true folk

03:32:54.260 assembly and around the same time uh is when steve mcnallen decided to step back and uh and i was

03:33:04.400 i was the guy at the time that that got this amazing opportunity and was blessed to

03:33:11.340 take the lead at that spot. There was a couple of people at that time who were extremely active

03:33:17.420 in making the AFA work. Certainly Sheila was one of them. Witten Clifford Erickson was also a huge

03:33:23.700 factor at the time making that AFA work so well. So we had a very good understanding of how the

03:33:30.360 machine worked. And we set to work right then on establishing the direction the AFA was going to

03:33:40.640 go for that point forward. At the time, Githya Patricia Hall was a big help to me. And certainly

03:33:49.040 our law speaker, Alan Turnage, was a huge support to me during that time as well. But that's how I

03:33:54.700 got the spot. And then I've tried very hard to work daily at being worthy of that position and

03:34:03.180 trying to do the very most that I can so that I leave it a much stronger and a better position

03:34:09.980 when I pass and when I pass from the world and someone else assumes that that seat and to try

03:34:17.000 to take the AFA and Alistair as far forward as I can with the years that the gods allot me. So

03:34:23.460 that's that's where I'm at. Matt Flavel, can you give a shout out to folk builders Clayton and

03:34:34.240 Josh, thanks. Love you. Love you too, Jason. Clayton Von Kepner in Iowa. Shout out.

03:34:42.080 Josh, Josh Rappin in Wisconsin. I'm shouting out to you. You guys are awesome. You guys are both

03:34:48.460 doing really good things. Clayton, you're the first time we've had something in Iowa in as long

03:34:53.840 as I can remember. And I'm really excited to see that get some traction. And Josh, you've been doing

03:34:58.700 great things in Wisconsin. We've seen it. We've seen the growth. We hear a lot of great feedback

03:35:07.320 about what you're doing up there. So two swell gentlemen. Looks like we've populated a few more

03:35:14.880 questions here. How does the Black Sun play as a role in Ausitru? Svon, how about you go ahead

03:35:21.820 take that one wow well all right um first and foremost i would say the son and rod has a deep

03:35:31.260 connection in our in our faith um but actually the in reference to the black sun or the svart

03:35:39.980 sona um i think there was a later development amongst uh uh correct me if i'm wrong i was

03:35:47.900 year ago it was it was a uh a later adaptation the um the term you was utilized later on in uh

03:35:58.140 esoteric and cultic practices um i think that that wasn't the term really coined heavily

03:36:08.060 in the 70s or 80s as an official name like the schwartz or not i i believe so it's my

03:36:15.900 um i mean the sun and rod itself the sun and rod whether it's the four armed or the the eight armed

03:36:23.340 or the 12 armed um i would say definitely represents uh uh cosmic order the idea of

03:36:32.220 movement around an axis mundi it also has a deep connection to the number 12 when we have it in the

03:36:38.700 12 arms to the 12 gods uh and so it it becomes representative in the afa as a symbol of divine

03:36:48.700 relevance or divine placement um you see it around the heads of divinity in a golden form

03:36:57.900 and that form shows a a connection outside of the material and a deeper connection in

03:37:06.140 the components that create the universe and help the folk uh it takes place behind the heads of

03:37:13.160 heroes in our faith in regards to uh if it's red and it's around a head it means that they were

03:37:22.180 divinely inspired by divinity they were connected to divinity they interacted with divinity and they

03:37:28.600 created some advancements towards the re-emergence of the gods amongst the folk

03:37:34.680 or committed great sacrifice or even lost their life in defense of the gods.

03:37:42.440 So it's seen as a symbol of attainment of divinity

03:37:47.540 or being placed within perfect structure of divinity.

03:37:53.440 All right.

03:37:55.280 And also when we talk about the mortals that have the red version

03:38:00.540 of the symbol around their heads as a halo,

03:38:03.260 that's um our equivalent of sainthood that's acknowledging them as heroes as honored heroes

03:38:11.340 and so we we try to do that with folks that we believe in their ascension and that they are

03:38:15.820 they have achieved heroic ascension um jason asks witness fun can i count on communicating

03:38:21.980 more with you later about anything who said this jason uh jason stewart

03:38:32.700 Yes, depending on your contacts, we have, what, MeWe here?

03:38:43.800 Nick just threw up your email address.

03:38:46.160 Email?

03:38:48.880 Will you respond to this man's emails?

03:38:51.480 Yes, I will.

03:38:52.620 Excellent.

03:38:53.140 There you have it.

03:38:55.060 Jason says that he's donated about $500 to Baldur's Hoff.

03:38:59.060 Is this something I will be recognized by?

03:39:02.700 Um, originally when this question was asked, it was when we were talking about God's taking

03:39:08.620 notice.

03:39:09.420 And I think that contributing to his Hoff is a good way to, uh, to honor Balder.

03:39:15.620 And if you are faithfully honoring Balder, you might very well get his notice.

03:39:19.840 I think that's a really good idea.

03:39:21.440 The other way you could take this and $500 is our threshold of donations to where you

03:39:26.700 get your name on the donor plaque at Balders Hoff.

03:39:29.220 And I'll try to talk to those folks over there to make sure that your name gets up there, because we want to recognize you for that as well.

03:39:40.220 John T. Whitman. Hello, gentlemen. I was curious if the concept of evil exists and also true from your perspective, or are the attributes associated with evil more aligned to chaos?

03:39:54.220 Chaos. Yes. And yes. So. So there's chaos for the sake of chaos and the sake of just poor mental health and tearing stuff down.

03:40:15.040 And there's natural chaos. That's the entropy that just tends to tear things apart unless they're revitalized.

03:40:22.720 those very primal forces of chaos are the counterbalance to order in the same way that in

03:40:31.620 perhaps Zoroastrianism or Christianity good and evil are juxtaposed but

03:40:38.380 because that's our primary axis that we judge these things on doesn't mean that good and evil

03:40:45.340 don't exist. Nobility and right action absolutely do exist. Being noble and honorable and doing the

03:40:56.220 right thing, good certainly exists. And evil, if your motivation is simply malicious to harm for

03:41:04.580 the sake of harming or to be sadistic or whatever that is, there is absolutely a force. And this is

03:41:12.320 again one of those things that goes back to an earlier question it's best for man to be middling

03:41:16.800 wise sometimes in this world when you increase in knowledge and when you know more things i

03:41:22.320 certainly know this is something that we run into as gothar sometimes you can come very close to 0.89

03:41:29.840 you can see true evil in the world and it absolutely exists and it is uh it is it is

03:41:39.040 chilling um so the existence of yes typically if it's good and evil we talk about order and chaos

03:41:49.280 but there's absolutely maniacal sadistic evil in the world and i think that we all know that

03:41:54.960 that's a thing um what are your thoughts on it's fun uh first and foremost evil the word itself is

03:42:02.320 germanic so the concept uh exists amongst the germanic people because that word is a germanic

03:42:08.160 word, evil and good. I think for Ausatru, evil is a child of chaos, is a production that springs 0.95

03:42:19.820 from chaos, that chaos can become malignant or create malignancy. If order breeds nobility,

03:42:30.200 breeds hierarchy and breeds um uh i would say law or uh natural law or divine law um

03:42:43.800 chaos then too can breed breed malignancy evil and detriment and in all of these things

03:42:54.040 oftentimes it takes its form in different ways. Sometimes there's outright evil and that should

03:43:01.300 be met head on. That should be, you know, absolutely contended with. But oftentimes

03:43:09.860 evil is not so forthright. That's part of the nature of its ability is to kind of slowly soak

03:43:18.760 or stain or to convince others that, you know, they're doing good, but they're not. They're

03:43:24.540 doing evil. And this happens all the time. We can see it everywhere. I think that spiritually

03:43:30.180 in our stories, one of the greatest sources of evil would be from the mouth of Fenris

03:43:34.660 or Fenrir, the dweller in the Fens. It's sourced in the story. He is bound and from his mouth

03:43:45.560 slavers venom and that venom um as as things happen in the halls and the heavens of of the

03:43:53.320 gods it does to kind of reflect into the hearts of men i've always been a proponent of that in the

03:43:58.760 idea that one of the perennial truths of myth is that its application to the soul uh and fenris is

03:44:08.920 slobbering mouth, poisoning and turning into a river and seeping in is a point of that.

03:44:21.960 So yes, evil exists. Is it outright? Sometimes yes. Is it built on obfuscation and subterfuge?

03:44:32.760 most oftentimes it is. And again, often dressed in gold or often wrapped with the best of

03:44:43.800 intentions. And so we find ourselves dealing with it in different ways. Is it always permanent?

03:44:53.240 I don't think it's always permanent, but people can go through these times in their lives where

03:44:58.380 you meet them, and they're terrible, and maybe they do seek atonement. Maybe they do seek to

03:45:03.180 rectify things to make things right, and you can make things right if you have done evil acts.

03:45:08.920 However, that doesn't mean that the repercussions of your actions are going to suddenly cease.

03:45:15.020 There's a long and, like, goodness is a river that continuously feeds you. It's the same with

03:45:22.380 evil. If you commit to evil and then suddenly change, it's still going to feed you from the

03:45:27.780 repercussions of your actions. So it takes a long time and it takes a great amount of effort to

03:45:32.320 redirect yourself and vice versa if you're having evil done unto you. Sometimes it takes drastic

03:45:40.940 action to stop it. So that's my take on it with good and evil. All right. Is there a spiritual

03:45:52.060 way one can meet slash connect with their ancestors that they may not know example someone

03:45:59.180 who was adopted and knows their genetic makeup but does not know any of their ancestors

03:46:05.420 Um, yes, with varying degrees of efficacy, um, first it being, being humans, it is much easier

03:46:22.600 for us to connect with something or someone that we have a name and, and something visual

03:46:29.880 in a picture or a story or something to connect them to us and with our ancestors

03:46:39.400 the ones we don't know due to adoption or due to just being lost to the sands of time

03:46:45.800 it's very hard to know that so it makes it that much more challenging i think that through making

03:46:55.320 offerings to your ancestors and ritually opening yourself to hear from them you might be surprised

03:47:03.640 what comes through and i think especially this time of year is a very auspicious time of year to do

03:47:08.360 that um when i say that i don't mean that you know hard to grasp if you go before your altar

03:47:16.200 and you pour out a shot or whatever you're going to do and you light some candles and you call out

03:47:21.800 to your ancestors that you don't know hey you know i'm adopted i don't know where i come from

03:47:26.360 but i know that i come from somewhere and i'm here i'm listening and i'm reaching out to you

03:47:32.200 please reach back do that and go into a meditative place if you can or perhaps at night in your

03:47:41.080 dreams you'll be visited with a message from one of your ancestors i think it becomes very

03:47:46.200 challenging but the more of yourself you put into that quest and you put into making that connection

03:47:53.480 the more synchronicity will occur to lead you towards a better understanding of that knowledge

03:48:01.320 i've had people do this and then there be breakthroughs in finding out about their adoptive

03:48:07.000 parents had several people do that as a matter of fact but even if it's not something quite so

03:48:13.240 literal hopefully your ancestors will reach out in some way perhaps in a feeling perhaps in a bit of

03:48:19.640 inspiration um but i think that's a very real thing and i think that's uh that's a way that

03:48:26.360 you can try to connect to that and make that happen um one of the other things it's not a

03:48:33.640 straight line thing but a father to son thing if you do you mentioned you know your genetics

03:48:38.200 if you know your haplogroup that can at least in a very broad sense draw you a line to

03:48:45.720 where you know where your most ancient fathers come from and i think that might be a useful

03:48:50.920 or inspirational point of departure for you to go on this journey um do you have any thoughts

03:48:57.480 on that's fun uh you you pretty much covered all of it i would say um sometimes i think a

03:49:04.600 a lot of people i've met that have had situations where they see like dreams and they'll see a woman

03:49:09.480 or a man uh but in particular with the situation that i'm talking about it was a woman

03:49:15.160 uh they just referred to her as the gray woman or the gray lady and they got a good feeling from her

03:49:20.940 it wasn't malicious it wasn't terrible it was kind of loving and and motherly and so he really

03:49:27.820 focused on making sure to honor the gray lady. Because it was originally asked, like, do you

03:49:35.580 think this is one of the gods? And I don't know. I don't know exactly in what context this dream

03:49:42.340 came to you. And as it evolved more and more, he came to feel that it was an ancestor who had no

03:49:48.620 name, but had reached out to him and made a connection. And so he kept it at that. He wrote

03:49:56.300 uh things down like poems and prayers he offered flowers he offered a drink and he offered

03:50:04.060 little objects of devotion uh to her and and simply just giving thanks for reaching out to him

03:50:10.060 and it really did help him but um as far as whether or not there was a sudden revelation of

03:50:17.260 connectivity i i don't know over time but i i've you know i'm open and a heavy believer in the

03:50:23.900 idea that that's what it takes to create those revelations. So other than what you had said.

03:50:29.900 Well, a follow up, and I'll let you go and take this one entirely.

03:50:34.460 What is the best way to connect with our ancestors?

03:50:41.900 Well, pictures, I think are some of the best. I think everybody does it a little differently. I

03:50:47.100 I have wedding photos of most of my ancestors.

03:50:50.920 It seems to be a really poignant threshold

03:50:54.760 that gives up precedence to the idea of furthering on.

03:51:01.220 The marriage is hugely important.

03:51:03.180 I think it's exceptionally divine.

03:51:06.360 I think when I look at my ancestors

03:51:08.100 and I see them, the husband and the wife

03:51:10.240 and knowing the children that were springing from them

03:51:13.220 And that brings out the absolute sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman.

03:51:20.240 And I think that it's absolutely important.

03:51:23.880 And so when I see them, that's the way I do it.

03:51:26.620 But some people have pictures of their ancestors from various times in their lives or ways that they found them or it was given to them by other family members.

03:51:35.400 And so, you know, I think pictures are important.

03:51:39.960 I think if you find objects, objects are good, too, because they are considered just like godsteads.

03:51:46.880 They're steads in which your ancestors can kind of move through.

03:51:50.380 Of course, too, there's urns and physical things like that as well.

03:51:55.480 But I would say first and foremost is giving a blooding or a bloat to them, a gifting.

03:52:04.640 and the way i you know i've always told folks if they if they don't understand how that might work

03:52:12.060 or or or don't know fully how to conduct it and say like the way that the church does

03:52:16.360 at the temples um and the and the hoffs is separate yourself from the mundane

03:52:22.200 focus on the moment focus on a picture of the object or whatever you have make sure you have

03:52:28.620 a gift whether it's physical or it could be writing or it could just be the gift of devotion

03:52:32.940 of time start small and work your way up as you see fit but um separate from the mundane

03:52:40.020 deeply and and wholeheartedly focus on the moment relent yourself get out of the i'm talking to a

03:52:49.980 picture don't that stuff needs to leave you are not talking to a picture you're talking to a

03:52:55.840 doorway a window a seat in which you can move through and once you relent that and let it go

03:53:02.200 and just pour out pour it out and whatever happens between you and your ancestors is between you and

03:53:08.020 your ancestors but speak as it must be spoken speak honestly speak truthfully speak meaningfully

03:53:14.180 and then once you're done present the gift let the gift stand and then i usually whenever i do

03:53:25.160 something like this, I let a sunrise happen between the gift and my giving away of the gift.

03:53:33.200 I know at the temples and things like that, when we do anointments and we do the aspergments,

03:53:38.180 oftentimes we give the mead right away. But when I give to my ancestors, I let it sit sometimes.

03:53:44.020 So I will give like, perfect example is I'll give a cup of coffee,

03:53:49.160 some tobacco because I'm speaking of a specific ancestor. I give cigarettes and I give

03:53:58.920 sometimes drawings, little doodles or sketches and things like that. And I fold them up

03:54:05.380 and I leave them there. And then I say thanks and I leave the area or I'll leave and kind of go

03:54:12.040 do other things and bring them with me from that space. And then in the morning or at least one

03:54:18.960 sunrise has passed i take those things and i i usually go out into into my backyard and i

03:54:27.440 have a hole already pre-dug and i'll place them in there and i cover them up with soil

03:54:34.080 i pour the coffee out i place the cigarette into the ground i place the papers into the ground i

03:54:39.440 cover it in in the soil sometimes i burn i'll burn them in a in a fire um but yes i usually

03:54:47.840 after having my my peace of saying what i believe holy and fully and i leave a gift i wait one

03:54:56.000 sunrise and then i reverently put the gift to its death or that it's already its soul has already

03:55:03.120 left and been given so that's one one of the best ways i think to start building an understanding

03:55:10.080 of how our gift cycles work and the symbology of that when something is given it dies and it is no

03:55:17.360 longer yours it is theirs all right uh jason asks can i eventually earn the title of folk builder

03:55:26.640 yes if that's something you're interested in um nick go ahead and put my email up please

03:55:31.760 contact me and we can talk about that more um offline uh jason also asks are donations tax

03:55:40.800 deductible what does that mean yes absolutely they are what that means is that you can

03:55:49.280 deduct them in the appropriate section when you do your taxes now you have to donate a lot for

03:55:54.800 that to be worth it because there's what's called a standard deduction that accounts for a lot of

03:55:59.200 these miscellaneous things but yes we are a 501c3 uh church and any donations made to the afa from

03:56:08.160 any of you guys are in fact tax deductible uh green leader why was tennessee chosen as the

03:56:17.040 location for sigerheim um a number of things um looking behind the scenes at our membership map

03:56:29.760 it's a very central location to a lot of different um hubs of membership the south in general has

03:56:40.640 produced some of our very best uh members some of our most active gothar and is home for a lot of

03:56:49.840 the people that wanted to pioneer the project it's the ancestral home of a lot of people who

03:56:56.240 want to be part of the project there's something very special about that part of the country

03:57:03.120 culturally as far as the interplay of different root populations that settled there that makes

03:57:08.800 it a really special place it's also beautiful the political climate is pretty good there

03:57:15.600 there's no way of forecasting that long into the future but it's pretty good there it puts

03:57:22.000 us in a central location when leadership needs to travel to other hoss and other areas for things

03:57:29.760 it centralizes that really well um

03:57:36.480 there's a lot of you know good and positive american traditions that are associated with

03:57:41.120 that part of the south and the south in general um the land prices are relatively good there the

03:57:49.760 the population density is pretty good there. The income tax situation is nice there. A lot of good

03:57:58.620 things are advantageous about Tennessee. And honestly, when praying and meditating on it,

03:58:03.700 Tennessee stands out as a fine place that we'd like to build our future. So

03:58:08.640 that may not be the best answers, but those are the answers we got.

03:58:13.720 um brendan asks any advice for new believers who are facing discrimination after turning to the old

03:58:21.960 ways and our gods what are your thoughts swan uh yeah if you're talking about i i presume you're

03:58:30.680 talking about family and when we talk a lot because i think a lot of people in house true have

03:58:35.620 crossed that chasm and um they face some things i think one thing that you should really do is

03:58:42.820 make sure you look at yourself first. Make sure you're not doing something that would be perceived

03:58:51.560 as worth criticizing. Because remember, if you do no wrong, you should not fear these opinions. So

03:58:59.500 the first part of that is a reflection upon yourself. Make sure that you're presenting

03:59:03.140 yourself well. Make sure you're presenting yourself with your health improvement, your mental state.

03:59:10.100 Um, seek betterment in yourself. And if you're doing that, you know, there's very little criticism that first can stand in a house well built. So check your house, make sure your body, make sure your mind are right. And that will first give you what you need in order to stand on this.

03:59:33.740 Then understanding wisdom is about understanding the possibilities of the way people

03:59:38.140 applicate things they know and things they don't know.

03:59:42.300 And so meeting out forgiveness.

03:59:44.880 If you've got a 90-year-old grandmother who just doesn't understand what you're doing,

03:59:48.880 I'm not saying you run into a room and yell out Odin and try to kick her or something. 0.99

03:59:55.060 That's ridiculous. 1.00

03:59:57.840 That's ridiculous. 0.99

03:59:58.920 you should just understand that she may not ever be able to 0.91

04:00:03.900 applicate these things.

04:00:05.260 But if you're talking about people who are being malicious towards you,

04:00:08.700 so that's kind of the two betweens is you and making sure you're not,

04:00:12.640 you know, 0.99

04:00:12.940 like painting your face and being ridiculous and running around, 0.99

04:00:16.520 you know, 1.00

04:00:17.160 giving these people ability to criticize you.

04:00:22.940 And you are also accepting of the understanding of certain parameters that

04:00:26.560 people might not fully understand.

04:00:28.200 And somewhere in the middle, you've got the people that are being malicious at you.

04:00:33.160 And I think that it is absolutely noteworthy that you don't allow this.

04:00:38.460 I think that you should try to explain yourself.

04:00:43.780 Once you do explain yourself, the only time you should ever re-explain yourself is if there's a new development in your faith and processes.

04:00:53.260 Other than that, say your word, say your piece and stand on it and have no more of it.

04:00:57.360 And if they continue to press it, this is a sign.

04:00:59.620 This is something that you need to realize that the value of what they place in your life.

04:01:06.680 If they're a family, they will always be your family.

04:01:10.060 But let them know you're driving a wedge that I don't want you to drive, but you're doing it.

04:01:17.540 Be very clear.

04:01:18.760 Be very open.

04:01:19.800 Be very honest.

04:01:21.200 There's no wrong in that.

04:01:23.160 And if they continue to do so, then the fault is on them, not on you.

04:01:29.040 And you should, again, it's the same way.

04:01:31.760 You're keeping yourself open to the gods.

04:01:34.600 You're keeping yourself open to your ancestors.

04:01:36.040 You're keeping yourself open to those around you.

04:01:38.240 So if you're receiving ridicule on it.

04:01:40.240 The other thing is, at a certain point, too, when you're worshiping the gods of Marvel, why let that control you?

04:01:51.580 Why let that, why give that any emotional real estate in yourself?

04:01:57.460 And, and you should be aware of that.

04:01:59.760 And, um, at that point you can simply state, you don't know what you're talking about.

04:02:05.560 I'm done with this and, and leave it at that.

04:02:07.960 Um, it's very hard when you're dealing with family and you're dealing with the love that

04:02:13.620 you have for a person and they're, they're ridiculing you for your beliefs.

04:02:16.440 um i i my mother's icelandic so she kind of understood but my brother

04:02:22.260 uh was a born-again christian was i'll say that much at the time when i

04:02:29.860 took up the faith of the gods and my people um i still remain but he was going through this

04:02:36.680 time and we had a knockdown drag out kind of uh fight that we never actually ever ever mended

04:02:44.160 but i held true and honest to what i was believing i'm still here i'm still doing

04:02:50.440 what i believe in and i i have no reason to expound on it so if there's ever a moment where

04:02:59.200 we could rebridge and rebuild if he apologized i would i would readily accept it and and and

04:03:05.200 love him i still love him actually but um you know i would rekindle that but if that doesn't

04:03:12.820 happen. At least I know throughout the entire thing, I was absolutely honest, absolutely true,

04:03:17.820 and I never ever deflected into any sort of like maliciousness or backwards thinking. And I think I

04:03:25.620 proved myself to my ancestors, or at least if the gods are watching, I proved myself to them

04:03:30.100 in the way that I saw fit for that whole situation. So that's my bit on that.

04:03:37.060 yeah don't don't run in yell odin and kick grandma that's that's sound advice to refrain

04:03:44.280 from doing that um last real question is your position in the afa your full-time job if not

04:03:51.760 are you comfortable sharing what it is uh yes the af my position is also harry gothi is my full-time

04:03:59.720 job um it's literally the first thing i do when i get up and the last thing i do before i go to bed

04:04:06.480 and at all times in between um it's strange when it happens because it doesn't fill 100 percent of

04:04:14.260 my time i'm still doing other things but the times it does it comes in in waves um and it's hard to

04:04:20.940 predict when it will or when it won't but the afa has become too large and too successful not to

04:04:27.680 have at least myself always sitting there at the helm um working for it all day and i'm very blessed

04:04:34.880 to be able to do that. I'm very fortunate in that way. Really my last question. Fourth time

04:04:43.600 I've seen this. Okay. Goethe Svan, explain yourself. Who are you? Wow. Okay. No, I explain

04:05:00.960 myself wow it's a very odd way to put it but uh i think i've i've talked about this before i'm

04:05:07.840 i was born in iceland um i have an american father and i'm an icelandic mother

04:05:13.920 uh my father speaks or did speak he's passed um spoke icelandic and um i moved here when i was

04:05:22.400 very young and i'm the baby of the family so i learned english through the school systems that's

04:05:28.160 that's why I don't have an accent. Um, I became also true at a very young age. Uh, I

04:05:37.640 took my, my professing of faith, uh, from the book of troth by Edward Thorson. Um, very old

04:05:47.820 book. Uh, I think you could, there's a, there's a reprint of it now with a different cover,

04:05:51.340 But it was, you know, I was just starting in my teenage years.

04:06:00.080 I was extremely devout as a religious person before I took my faith and profession.

04:06:06.460 I understood that I had a deep yearning towards the connectivity of the divine.

04:06:11.780 You know, I was constantly going to – I went to Catholic masses.

04:06:15.040 I went to – I was a royal ranger of the Presbyterian church.

04:06:18.400 I was at Southern Baptist churches because I live in Virginia, and I live in the Bible Belt, and I was reading the Bible and trying a lot to understand, but at the time, there was no internet, and so understanding, it came to me through small little things started flowing in,

04:06:41.940 And I suddenly realized that these stories that my mother was telling me about the gods and about my people from Iceland, it was a religion.

04:06:53.100 And it really did start with that book of troth or the book of troth.

04:06:59.580 Sometimes it's referred to as, I guess, the space hammer because Edric Thorson's copy at the time had like a hammer floating above a book.

04:07:09.080 and um in there there's a professing faith um in which you take up the mantle of returning back to

04:07:18.260 the gods of your people and i did that following that book there was no one around there was no

04:07:23.380 internet there was i was solely by myself but i absolutely 100 understood that this was the path

04:07:30.440 i needed to go on because it all of a sudden made sense everything made sense so i at 13 years old

04:07:38.620 in the early early early 90s um held my first bloat by myself and i laid it all out on the line

04:07:48.120 and i just and i haven't turned back since um i was a solitary practitioner of asa true

04:07:53.860 for many years from the early 90s to about 2007 and when i got back i had no idea about um like

04:08:02.620 I guess, the formulation of what would be the polar sense of Ausatru as a folk faith,

04:08:12.600 that it is a folk faith, and that the proponents of some people presenting it in a political sense

04:08:18.640 to help propagate their idea of universalism, that this native religion of Europe was open

04:08:24.620 to everyone. And I didn't really know that at the time, and I was just happy to be with people.

04:08:31.560 And I met a lot of great people, I think, overall and around.

04:08:35.700 But in a short time between 2007 and I would say 2016, there was a great understanding of need and a great awareness of things and a great cleaning of myself and a realignment of myself and understanding where I needed to go and what I needed to do.

04:08:56.660 And so it came, I think 2016, there was I went to a winter nights, I had been to that location numerous times under like unaffiliated events, where nobody was particularly affirmed as the organizer. And so I had been there before. So I wasn't, it was almost like it was, it was a weird that was already woven before I stepped onto that.

04:09:24.240 And I went there and was very quiet, and I tried to sit back and listen, and I was very open about where I had come from and some of the experiences I had in Ausatru, both solitary and beforehand, with everyone.

04:09:39.820 And I heard Ausatru Gauthi speak, and at that moment, it hit me.

04:09:47.380 Like, I was in the exact right place I needed to be.

04:09:49.860 and um i had another overwhelmingly divine experience there and i i rushed back and i told

04:09:58.920 my wife and and she supported me and absolutely now she's you know deeply involved she shows up

04:10:05.800 to events we bring the kids we've you know we've i've raised my children um i believe my son was

04:10:13.040 two when i joined the afa and now he's 10 and that's my eldest and all the other little ones

04:10:18.660 I mean, they, they, they don't know of any life out, they don't know of Ausatru without temples. They don't know what it was like beforehand. And so it's been a beautiful thing. It's been a great process. And, um, I mean, there's a lot more. I, I, I did time in the military. I was in the infantry in the Marine Corps. Um, I was a 3-3 Marine in, uh, Hawaii, but I ended up going all over the world.

04:10:44.600 And I, you know, saw combat in three different theaters, East Timor in the Malaysian island chain.

04:10:56.120 I saw military service and combat in Zamboanga, which is the capital city of the island of Mindanao in southern Philippines.

04:11:07.900 A lot of people don't know that, but there's a lot of stuff that's been going on there since the 1960s.

04:11:11.760 um and i you know saw combat there um there was a huge they attacked the base through the city i

04:11:20.780 mean there was civilians everywhere and they didn't seem to care but never made news everyone

04:11:24.820 was focusing on iraq and when i got back to my main station i got sent to iraq i thought i was

04:11:32.080 i thought i didn't i wasn't gonna see i very much saw and then um i was in um in and around

04:11:40.640 and all throughout during our offensives in Fallujah and Ramadi.

04:11:46.220 So I was in there.

04:11:47.300 Luckily, I was with a unit.

04:11:49.640 I was with an armored vehicle unit.

04:11:52.660 They don't have them in Hawaii where I was stationed.

04:11:56.760 I was actually implanted in with them.

04:12:00.020 So I was very lucky.

04:12:01.240 They were a tough, crazy, Mad Max group of guys driving around, 1.00

04:12:07.680 lots of diesel fuel dust and and being everywhere i've seen syrians and iraqis fighting each other 0.87

04:12:15.280 i've seen some crazy stuff all the while being also true and being in those places i held bloat

04:12:20.400 on the euphrates river by myself very powerful so just some of those little things like that

04:12:26.400 that's that's where i come from all right guys we're gonna wind down with these last questions

04:12:33.120 here um it's getting pretty late especially for our guest i believe it is 110 where swan finds

04:12:40.240 himself um and our uh our producer's probably tired as well uh we have a question i'm curious

04:12:49.840 what criteria we can use to judge whether a spiritual experience is evil or good um

04:12:56.080 I'm sure we can go on a very long answer on that, but I think that the truth of that is your criteria for judging anything is through your personal lens and what makes that lens up.

04:13:14.500 But I think that those are two really opposite polarities and that.

04:13:22.620 Differentiating between the two in general is very easy.

04:13:28.580 There could be something, you know, more sinister or more murky to the experience,

04:13:34.980 but a lot of that is going to come down to your perception

04:13:39.340 and how you feel during that point of revelation.

04:13:43.340 All of the context we could provide for that are based upon your experiences, your touchstones, things that that add your context.

04:13:55.720 Context is key and you own all of the context on that.

04:13:59.940 So it's very hard to. It's very hard to give you a good answer on that.

04:14:06.240 other than you need to trust your intuition you need to take each new experience and

04:14:15.440 compare and contrast it with lessons that you've learned in your past experiences

04:14:20.560 and do your best to forge uh forge your path forward um

04:14:27.120 do you have anything to to add on that's fun yeah i was looking i was looking for that question

04:14:32.960 uh you said it was the perception of of connecting with the divine whether it was good or evil no it

04:14:39.040 was uh i'm curious what criteria can we use to judge whether a spiritual experience is evil or good

04:14:50.080 well i mean i think first and foremost anybody that would negotiate

04:14:55.360 uh the the reception of good and evil um

04:14:59.920 Um, and then, then there's wisdom further in that application.

04:15:05.140 I mean, obviously blatant evil and blatant goodness, um, have that upfront sense about

04:15:12.500 it to be, you know, to be struck in a malicious sense might very well give you all the indicators

04:15:19.400 you need.

04:15:20.240 However, sometimes, you know, people do good things with bad intentions behind them and

04:15:27.820 likely to. Some people give you scathing advice that hurts your feelings at the moment, but

04:15:32.980 they're actually doing good. Outside of face value of good and evil, the idea of where you go with

04:15:45.240 that knowledge and that experience, first and foremost, I think applicates that. I've had an

04:15:55.160 event where I felt like something happened and I read it as being bad, but it ended up later to

04:16:01.240 my full awareness of the situation to be good. That takes a lot of effort, wisdom, and patience.

04:16:11.000 I think the idea of taking things as they come and then having the wisdom and patience to continue

04:16:17.780 to observe them, try to expound your understanding of them. So I would also say like that's the

04:16:24.760 the benefit of taking something that seems good and being just simply thankful but not being overly

04:16:32.500 oh that's so much this is so good this just throwing yourself into it just emotionally

04:16:39.740 diving in thank you and then you wait you see if these gifts are to bribe you into a direction

04:16:48.420 that happened to me as well like someone was being very kind to me their intention was to

04:16:52.900 drive me away from the AFA. That took a little bit of time to see. And when I saw it, the idea

04:17:02.440 was, okay, no more. I respectfully and cleanly cut it off. I said, from here on out, we won't

04:17:10.540 be doing this anymore. I'm going to go. Because what I feel is good for me is not what you're

04:17:15.480 trying to ultimately attain. So that takes that wisdom to realize that. So I would say the best

04:17:22.780 thing is patience. Never overextend yourself in emotions, good or bad. If somebody strikes you,

04:17:29.300 do not rage immediately. I don't think that's wise. Especially anybody, any fighter, any trained

04:17:38.740 fighter will tell you, if they can get you to rage, you're going to mess up. So hold your

04:17:44.400 bearings. That's a really important point. We want to always act and never react. We take in

04:17:55.240 the situation, we take in what we have, we think about it calmly and soberly, and then we initiate

04:18:01.300 an action. I see a little bit more over on the side that your question seems to be more a kind

04:18:10.860 a demonology question of when evil forces try to trick you as presenting themselves as good

04:18:17.100 and i think that patience bears out well uh should that scenario arise

04:18:23.180 to take flattery and things and be appreciative of it but reflect on it um if you have something

04:18:32.460 that you know in your primal brain that tingles with warning signs heed those be aware of those

04:18:40.860 uh seek counsel with people that you trust seek counsel with the gothar seek counsel with the gods

04:18:47.100 and your ancestors and see if those things ring true like svan said don't immediately jump into

04:18:54.940 action based upon one of these experiences give it some time to ruminate and play out so you can

04:19:02.140 you can see the dimension to it um thorbjorn uh hail vedic religion and neoplatonists

04:19:10.380 present an advanced manifestation of indo-european religion that that illuminated the monotheistic

04:19:17.740 nature of the universe in the one will also true follow this path no

04:19:27.420 so uh that's the simple answer the longer answer is

04:19:31.900 no we're polytheists um poly means many many gods polytheism um it's difficult to me that so many

04:19:46.920 people in the circles that you mentioned can't reconcile that or are drawn to a form of monotheism

04:19:58.200 when it's not necessary and it takes it takes away the the beauty and the personality that comes

04:20:07.640 in relationships with many gods when they're all just manifestation of this one like super duper

04:20:14.560 god developing relationships with any of our gods becomes rather pointless um and no we have no

04:20:24.740 desire to do that the benefits of and the just richness of polytheism is uh is beautiful in and

04:20:33.520 of itself and i i see no reason for us to uh to do that and when you do that you become

04:20:40.120 de facto a universalist and our faith is not a universalist one it's a faith for us and for our

04:20:46.940 folk do you have anything to add on that's fun yeah i've seen a lot of this too and i see it

04:20:54.080 kind of happened with like, um, Shaivism and the idea of like a hyper-focus and, uh, all the other,

04:21:00.300 um, multiplicities of the, of powers of, of the gods and of the universe are, uh, just aspects or

04:21:07.120 projections or, um, you know, there's a, like an incarnation after an incarnation after an

04:21:12.880 incarnation, but they're all linked. That is a, I don't, I don't see that as, as our way. I don't

04:21:21.040 see that. I think that when we look at the origins of the gods, we see the one that is, but then

04:21:31.060 becomes two and then becomes three. We see this divergence into multiplicity, which is very

04:21:38.820 important because, um, from single source, all things take to spectrum. So, um, the necessity

04:21:50.360 to see, okay, well, I, I, I'm going to worship the light before it's split by the prism,

04:21:56.240 but it is, it is the prism that shows the multiplicity. And so it allows you to focus

04:22:05.760 on the variant levels there's not just one level of your life there's not just one level of an

04:22:10.420 ecosystem there's not just one power um those powers are separated for us to see but interact

04:22:19.620 the gods are unified in their in their motion but multiplied in their being so we as a nation

04:22:30.940 our many people that's the way you know we are not our nation can be seen as one but it is not

04:22:36.620 the individual um and we can honor perhaps the nation if i was to say one thing that we would

04:22:42.620 honor it would be the totality of of uh weird or orlock the the eternal moving because these

04:22:50.780 things are are even interacted with by by odin odin interacts with this he hangs himself upon

04:22:56.460 the axis mundi he drinks from the well these these over-pervading things are huge and seem like a

04:23:04.300 oneness but i would not say that this oneness is willful uh i think it's it's again it's it's the

04:23:10.060 the pool in which the ripples are moving it um so it's important that we we see the multiplicity of

04:23:16.860 the gods and enjoy the multiplicity of the gods we are polytheists um if you were to refer to the

04:23:24.220 the one is to be weird i wouldn't i wouldn't disagree in that regards but to worship weird

04:23:31.180 uh or i see it as a give worth ship and honor um is i guess thankfulness for the universe itself

04:23:40.460 that's not bad but is it oh the gods are just aspects of the one universe that that's folly i

04:23:49.820 I believe. Yeah. Our faith, and I mentioned this at the top of the show, too, is based around gift

04:23:58.520 cycle and interaction with consciousness. If this one, in the sense a lot of people take it,

04:24:06.120 isn't is a uh an uninterested prime mover that doesn't have will or personality to it then that

04:24:18.920 that's outside of our gift cycle and not something that we aspire to the gods as we know them our

04:24:24.680 personalities and our persons and that personness enables us to exchange gifts with them in a

04:24:30.360 conscious way and uh that's that's a personal and a beautiful thing that uh i think is trivialized

04:24:41.000 by trying to act as though they're all just emanations of of this one overarching uh

04:24:48.840 largely impersonal force i would i would like to add though i do greatly enjoy talking to

04:24:55.640 and learning from the perspective of neoplatonists i i've talked to quite a few of them um i

04:25:04.040 there's nothing stating that in in my my stance of where i'm at that i have to

04:25:11.220 like close off their their way of thinking because again it's it's about learning wisdom

04:25:17.160 and applicating wisdom and there are things i have learned and i'm deeply impressed with some

04:25:21.540 of their approach to the divine with some sense of piety and severity. So yeah, I think there's

04:25:29.560 ways for us to have discourse or a conversation or reach across the table and to take these things

04:25:36.760 and to listen. I don't think it's about just completely shunning them away. But I wanted to

04:25:44.060 state that too. It's very important. I don't think it's something that's so entirely rejectable

04:25:48.620 as it is so much more that I could see if we were both honoring the gods,

04:25:53.920 there would be no true division between us.

04:25:56.020 It may just be more a perspective of and desire of things.

04:26:01.200 So, all right. 1.00

04:26:02.680 Shannon asks, I know our female ancestors are the D.C.

04:26:06.000 But for the life of me, I can't remember the name of our male ancestors.

04:26:09.580 What are male ancestors called again?

04:26:11.300 They're called the Alfar.

04:26:14.020 Yeah.

04:26:14.160 Varieg also true has risen in the military, particularly combat arms. Is the AFA able to reach out to these service members with all the scapegoating it's dealt with?

04:26:28.160 Um, I think the operative word there is reach out. We have military members. We always have. I imagine we will continue to. I have also noticed that there is a an increase in also true amongst the armed forces.

04:26:45.580 um the way things are going uh you know the the worldview of the american armed forces at least

04:26:57.300 is very progressive and very leftist and there's a lot of communist things that have gone on uh

04:27:04.040 lately and uh just degeneracy in in stuff that's been pushed so you know obviously it

04:27:11.880 behooves people in a lot of situations to keep their specific AFA affiliation

04:27:17.980 relatively private in that regard. So I think reaching out as the AFA to the military has

04:27:27.080 become difficult, but certainly military members have reached out to us. Military families have

04:27:35.900 reached out to us. I was very honored. I got to go perform a funeral for a serviceman on a military

04:27:47.440 installation, and that certainly wasn't problematic, and I had to provide credentials to get in, and

04:27:52.500 that wasn't a big deal. I think some of that probably has to do with someone's chain of command

04:27:59.680 on on a little bit of that but as far as also true in general and having um a hammer on tombstones

04:28:07.120 that's been a active thing for a long time having it on dog tags uh the afa in specific as you noted

04:28:15.280 you know that can be problematic depending on who you deal with svan do you have any any perspective

04:28:20.560 to add on that yeah i was uh i was asked true before i went into the military and there was

04:28:25.360 absolutely nothing available to me outside of what I brought in. I think it's, but I brought

04:28:31.760 in everything for myself. And one of the biggest things I would say too, is that the military is

04:28:40.340 continuously trying to substantiate an organization of lawyers who says, oh, we're, you know, some

04:28:49.020 sort of evil hate group. And if you, you know, talk about your faith and your connection to

04:28:55.360 the church, they somehow can utilize this against you. I don't know officially in every capacity,

04:29:03.360 in every command or every branch of service, but the idea there is that there's still this sense

04:29:08.060 that like a group of lawyers has said this, so the government says no, and then you can get in

04:29:14.640 trouble or they can somehow hurt your career or something like that. So, uh, as far as

04:29:21.160 Ausatru concern, I think, um, generally, you know, when you meet other Ausatru in the

04:29:27.840 military, they are folk. Uh, I've never met a non-folk person who was Ausatru in the military,

04:29:35.860 especially. Um, and, uh, you know, so you might not have any issues there as being able to find

04:29:43.040 people to hold bloat with and to hold honor with but you know you you mentioned if you're a member

04:29:49.620 of the astro folk assembly that could cause issues um i would say the best thing to do and what i did

04:29:56.360 is maintained my faith to myself because sometimes when you're in you you must be aware of the doors

04:30:03.860 you walk through you walk through that door and you you find yourself intermingled with friends

04:30:08.920 and enemies, it's best to keep things here until you know. So, you know, that's great wisdom

04:30:19.060 that should be applied. So I don't think it is like something where you are somehow wronging

04:30:24.940 the gods by keeping things close to your chest. If you're surrounded by, you can't differentiate

04:30:29.840 between enemies and friends. Keep to yourself, honor your gods, go to national events when you

04:30:35.640 can. Go to temples when you can. Go to the Hoffs when you can. Meet with other people. Reach out

04:30:42.080 to folk builders, but you don't have to tell everyone because, again, there are enemies out

04:30:48.840 there that will gladly use it against you, all based on some non-profit organization or

04:30:55.520 non-government organization that wants to say what it wants to say, and for some reason they

04:31:00.400 keep meriting it and uh without absolutely knowing anything so you know and then bide your time

04:31:08.240 i was in for you know one term and then i did another term in the reserves

04:31:12.000 um and by that time i think being sound in my faith i had no real inclinations to um you know

04:31:20.000 seek that uh i did everything overseas on my own and whenever anybody asked i just said i was

04:31:25.840 following the it was easy for me to say like i'm from iceland and i'm following the ways of my

04:31:30.800 people and then somehow there's they're in their mind that has more credence um but i think anybody

04:31:37.600 should be able to say you know this is my faith i'm just honoring my faith and then just leave it

04:31:43.440 at that you know so so uh after several last questions jason asks can either of you personally

04:31:53.280 differentiate from pagan heathen and also true uh yeah so we're also true that's what we do

04:32:01.440 that's what we practice it's very important um branding is very important all of those words

04:32:09.840 technically by dictionary definition fit stuff that we do to one degree or another

04:32:16.000 but also true is specifically us it's what we do it's a uh self descriptor it is us acknowledging

04:32:26.120 that we are loyal to the isere not just that we believe in their existence but we stand loyally

04:32:31.980 with them um heathen is a word that other people use to describe those people in the heath that 0.95

04:32:42.820 practice their backwards religion. Pagan is very similar to that in a concept that it's what

04:32:49.620 city dwelling turned into Christianity described those people out in the country,

04:32:57.280 those different common people and what their faith was. Also true is ours. We own it. We 0.63

04:33:03.920 celebrate it. I don't like to use any of those other words because it causes confusion. It makes

04:33:09.020 people ask questions like you're asking right now with that confusion. People who describe

04:33:14.560 themselves as pagan are very often extremely far left degenerates that we don't want any

04:33:21.720 association with. Folks that call themselves heathen, it's much more of a grab bag. That used

04:33:29.120 to be much more of a common thing for people who share our worldview to call themselves that

04:33:36.240 anymore it tends to be folk that don't want to join something organized it's very often folk that

04:33:45.600 you can't count on what that word means to them might mean something very different to you it

04:33:52.720 seems regionally more common in the center of the country um not everyone who refers to themselves

04:34:01.040 as heathen is involved in wife swapping but if you're involved in wife swapping and you're 0.93

04:34:06.000 remotely in our circles, I bet you call yourself heathen because that's what we've seen a lot in

04:34:11.920 my experience. But again, because all of those things have such a nebulous concept to them,

04:34:18.020 that's why we stay with, we strengthen, and we own the term Alcetru. And I've even heard amongst

04:34:26.500 people on the other team that they want to shy away from using the word Alcetru because 1.00

04:34:32.300 the folkish people have taken it over, which is even more of a good reason to continuously 1.00

04:34:39.300 use and occupy that space.

04:34:42.200 Alistair True is who we are.

04:34:43.340 It's what we do.

04:34:44.440 And in the AFA, we don't refer to it in any other way.

04:34:49.580 Varyag, how do we address folk as national heroes who were anti-pagan, but still loved

04:34:55.640 by the people like King Olaf of Norway as an example?

04:34:58.580 I mean, you do you in your personal life. I think outside of the church and outside of

04:35:07.140 religion, there are ways to honor any number of people that you want to celebrate.

04:35:14.120 As the Ausitru Folk Assembly, we certainly don't honor people that were anti-pagan. We don't honor

04:35:19.940 people that persecuted our folk or that broke from our ancestral faith. As the Church of Ausitru

04:35:28.040 it would be inappropriate for us as a church to honor people who were expressly against our church.

04:35:34.720 But yeah, I'm sure there's many national heroes, depending on where you are and who you are,

04:35:39.340 that would be fine to celebrate. Some of them are actively opposed to our faith,

04:35:44.360 and I would not celebrate those. Some of them are completely indifferent to it and are Christians

04:35:49.400 that existed at a time where no one realized that Ossetree was even an option. Those people,

04:35:56.460 you know, we celebrate regularly and privately or in a, you know, in another context.

04:36:04.900 We find many ways to celebrate them. You have any thoughts on this, Spahn?

04:36:10.740 I think the key thing is what you said about the antithesis action. Don't honor those that were

04:36:16.100 against those deeds. And you said King Olaf. I don't know if you're talking about St. Olaf

04:36:22.280 or Olaf Tryggvorsson, I would not honor Olaf Tryggvorsson at all

04:36:29.480 because his deeds were set and he really went against his people.

04:36:37.340 So, yeah, I would say if there is an antithesis of action there

04:36:41.360 and they're loved by the people, I'm not saying that you have to be somebody

04:36:46.560 that's like, well, actually, or you have to be somebody that's like,

04:36:50.880 I guess against the your nation you're not necessarily against your nation you just disagree

04:36:56.660 with um the pathway in which they took that was and and uh an antithesis to it especially in

04:37:04.540 relation to the gods this can apply to politics too you know you see people that are politically

04:37:09.120 smeared in their countries uh Alexander Rudd Mills perfect example in Australia they ran his name

04:37:15.620 through the dirt uh and we honor him and you know maybe they won't ever honor him but that that

04:37:22.620 doesn't matter if he was right he was right especially from where we are he was right so

04:37:28.040 we honor him um politics be damned and uh and you know those things change but the eternal towards

04:37:35.800 the gods doesn't so if they do misdeeds against them now if it's peripheral honoring uh george

04:37:41.640 washington or thomas jefferson or uh as like founding fathers in america or um trying to think

04:37:48.820 like uh you know honoring people that may have had really great wisdom but they were devoutly

04:37:54.520 christian but it wasn't a you're honoring them for other things their bravery in battle

04:38:00.260 their their ability to stand up against the forces that are greater than themselves

04:38:04.500 and you know and to fight against it even though you may have a disagreement that's that's

04:38:09.500 peripheral, honoring them is honoring them, because we

04:38:13.760 believe that when you die, you go back, a huge component of your

04:38:18.860 soul goes back, and perhaps understands the full picture of

04:38:23.360 things, honor them. But if they've done something

04:38:26.140 physically in antithesis, I would say no.

04:38:29.660 Well, and that's the thing. I mentioned, you know, in the

04:38:34.940 previous question, we define ourselves as also true, as true to the Aesir. We can't stand true 0.99

04:38:42.000 to the Aesir and honor people who have actively worked against them and actively taken the 0.94

04:38:48.220 position opposite them. That's not loyalty, and that's not what loyalty is. Now, your example

04:38:54.580 over on the side, you've mentioned people like Stonewall Jackson. Yes, every hero of the Civil

04:39:00.160 war is by default, not Ausatru. But they also weren't defining themselves by oppressing people

04:39:07.680 who were Ausatru or by how they denounced Ausatru and embraced Christianity. They were Christians

04:39:13.680 from a long line of Christians that were in a completely Christian context and had no other

04:39:19.280 point of reference for their spirituality. And, you know, as a matter of fact, many of the great

04:39:24.480 confederate heroes uh tons of our members honor on a personal level and hold in great uh regard

04:39:31.760 myself included um so yeah i i think that that that's the differentiation that that we both

04:39:38.800 talked about if they're actively you know known for their well okay so it's the it's the reason

04:39:45.200 that i don't honor leif erickson he's a first generation reject our gods and embrace christianity 0.86

04:39:52.480 viking i can't support that he's a traitor he's a turncoat on the gods of his folk and i won't honor 0.61

04:39:59.120 that at all um so there uh all right this is the final one because we cut it off but my final

04:40:08.320 really last question is as a true political are modern politics destroying modern america um

04:40:16.240 these are words that largely have no meaning there are political implications to anything

04:40:27.680 and everything um but the the the key is the structuring your politics should be an extension

04:40:37.440 or reflection of your faith and not the other way around there are things that go together but

04:40:44.800 never be deceived that your politics are the important part and your faith is some afterthought

04:40:50.560 irrelevancy it's very much the other way around politics are uh temporary and they're situational

04:40:59.040 your faith is eternal um your politics today are not the politics of 100 years ago and won't

04:41:05.680 be the politics of 100 years from now but also true is eternal um so certainly your

04:41:12.720 also true should affect your politics should affect how you engage in the political world

04:41:18.560 it should inform those decisions and and don't please don't get confused there's many things

04:41:25.680 that are overly political and and many of us have all kind of ideas about whether there's political

04:41:31.600 solutions to certain problems that we face but the fundamental is that uh you know your faith

04:41:38.560 shouldn't perform those decisions just like they did inform the decisions in any other aspect of

04:41:44.560 your life now are politics destroying modern america it's easy to say that they are but the

04:41:54.480 things that i think many of us would rail at as the politics of the left or the politics of the right

04:42:01.520 aren't politics, but cultural values. And I think traditional culture and

04:42:10.440 chaotic, degenerate culture are always going to be opposed in arenas of politics and arenas of

04:42:19.180 faith, in arenas of literally anything that it comes in contact with. I don't think that the

04:42:28.080 problem in America is the politics. I think it is the complete lack of any common ground amongst

04:42:35.980 these two very, very different ideologies. And I think that, you know, we're told that diversity

04:42:45.180 is our strength, but homogeneity and having something that defines us as a common people,

04:42:51.280 that we have some sense of common commonality is uh is essential to the glue to hold stuff together

04:42:59.920 and we've seen that erode now we have very little in common with a lot of our neighbors

04:43:05.760 we find most people in most regions of the country no matter where they are

04:43:10.400 in completely mixed up communities to where there's not a common ethnicity there's not a common

04:43:17.440 faith there's not a common value system or a common cultural understanding and i think that 0.89

04:43:24.240 lack of commonality is more the problem i think that the the distance in the politics is a is a

04:43:31.680 reflection of that what say you swan i think politics destroying modern america um a lot of

04:43:41.360 factors, I think, destroying some of the fabric that holds our nation together.

04:43:50.140 But as far as politics in Auschwitz, yeah, I think people have every right to be political.

04:43:56.660 They have every right to kind of desire a governance in the way that they see things

04:44:00.560 right. But again, it's about where it sources from. If you're religious because of your politics,

04:44:06.620 that's uh that's backwards that's really really backwards your spiritual sense the the wellness

04:44:16.100 and the way that you see the world around you uh your politics will then kind of reflect out

04:44:20.920 from there and and i'm talking about real application some people you'll see them they

04:44:28.220 want to be edgy they want to be different they want to be an outsider or an underdog or so on

04:44:35.900 so forth and that's where they're coming from and that again is again it's not even a there's no

04:44:41.900 religious or political component it's narcissism or some sort of level of like self-gratification

04:44:47.180 or i don't even know what the heck it is that they're coming from but they're not coming from

04:44:51.500 a good spot to begin with so identifying that too is important but if you're real about

04:44:58.780 your moral placement and spiritual placement and devotion and loyalty to the gods and to your

04:45:04.860 people everything begins to flow out from there and to want to have a governance of a certain way

04:45:11.740 for you for the benefit of your people there's nothing wrong with that um you know and and and

04:45:17.500 who you associate with uh right now we live in a place that the the ability to have discourse

04:45:23.180 between ideas is rapidly eroding you can see some people on one side of things who are proponents

04:45:32.060 for that that destruction that rapid destruction and um it's it the the destination that they want

04:45:40.540 to take it to is not going to be good i think for our people so we need to be aware of that and i

04:45:47.100 think there's a lot of other people people that aren't even of our folk who are starting to

04:45:51.740 understand some of that too for their people that the end of the line uh isn't good for them either

04:45:59.160 So, you know, I think it's important to be aware of that.

04:46:03.300 But ultimately, when it comes to certain things, for instance, when we talk at our meetings, we talk in private, friend to friend, fellow to fellow.

04:46:17.200 But I think when we come to honor the gods, we come to honor them in a religious sense.

04:46:22.260 So a lot of times we say, you know, like, this is church time.

04:46:24.980 This is folk time.

04:46:25.940 This is of the gods and us.

04:46:27.920 So be careful of that, too. Don't bring. You know, I'm only here because I believe in this and that you're here for the wrong reasons and you're not going to be. 0.90

04:46:39.040 Well, you're going to be schooled before. Finally, we have to let you go. But, yeah, that's not the reason why you're here.

04:46:46.260 So when we go to the Hoff, you know, politics might get talked about certain things. Crude jokes might be thrown every now and then.

04:46:53.880 But when it's time to do stuff for the gods, our language is watched, our hats are removed, our clothes are clean and good.

04:47:01.700 We lead by example and we go there to honor the gods.

04:47:04.940 Then when we come back out, maybe we'll discuss a little bit about politics.

04:47:08.440 Maybe we'll disagree, but we still honor the gods together.

04:47:15.280 Absolutely.

04:47:16.360 Well, guys, this is a new record for running long.

04:47:19.380 I appreciate all the questions.

04:47:21.180 I certainly appreciate Witten Svahn investing almost five hours of his time with us tonight.

04:47:29.540 Always a great guest.

04:47:32.000 We're going to mix it up with some other things, but here in two weeks, Svahn will join us again as we discuss Thor.

04:47:45.440 We will discuss Thor and bring your Thor questions.

04:47:49.780 I believe

04:47:52.340 folk builder

04:47:54.100 Tim Dumas is on next week

04:47:56.180 so I look forward to talking to Tim

04:47:57.800 until then

04:48:01.400 hail Othin

04:48:02.800 hail the gods, hail the folk

04:48:04.840 hail the AFA and remember

04:48:07.020 victory never sleeps

04:48:09.040 goodnight guys

04:48:19.780 Thank you.

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04:50:19.780 Thank you.

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04:51:19.780 We'll be right back.

Asatru Folk Assembly - October 20, 2022

10⧸19⧸22 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 15 - Óðinn

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