In this episode of the show, we will be going through a short poem from our lore, "Baldurs Drummer's Drum" by the ancient Swedish poet Thorald Halldorsson. It's a pretty simple poem, and we hope you enjoy it!
00:03:04.480hello welcome once again to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps
00:03:14.620it's the top of the hour as uh spawn's clock is letting us know
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00:03:37.820um it's great to talk to you guys we have witness fawn on tonight we will be going through uh
00:03:45.980balder's drummer relatively short but a really cool uh poem from our lore i just want to give
00:03:53.180everybody max time to look that up and nick can throw that up as always we're using the bellows
00:03:58.300translation tonight um feel free to use whichever one you prefer if you've got got one you like if
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00:08:40.760we're ready to get into some stuff so spawn is there any background that folks need to be familiar
00:08:47.800with uh before we start our reading this evening um yeah structurally this is a very small poem
00:08:59.880um and it is most likely composed by either the scalds that if there was maybe a small
00:09:10.760group of them, or specifically one that did Thrymskvida and the Volospow. So the theory is that these are either the same poets or at least one.
00:09:29.440And it's really, really straightforward. I believe one verse actually mimics another verse from Thrymskvida almost to the letter. So that's why a lot of the leaning towards that.
00:09:45.300It is written in the Fornideslag style. And Fornideslag style is an interesting style. I think it's my most preferred. It's also one of those that if anybody's interested in perhaps doing a kind of a paralleling of poetics in prayer or in song,
00:10:10.600um for any this log and the way that it's written is easy to do um now it doesn't translate very well
00:10:19.940in uh from like say old norse to english but you can kind of get it um you know if you if you follow
00:10:31.220along um the way that it the rhyming that was done back then was done through alliterative
00:10:38.580writing or uh rhyming so um generally there was two sounds in the first part of the sentence
00:10:48.460and the second half of the sentence sentence had to start with that sound um so imagine if
00:10:55.860you know we're saying a sentence with a comma in the middle and the sound is going to be the t sound
00:11:02.820So there's going to be a T in the front of that comma and a T in that latter half of the comma.
00:11:09.540And then the second sentence that's spoken will also have a T.
00:11:15.180And this created a kind of rhythmic alliterative rhyming sound that was common and also most likely lent to the idea that the poems could be sung.
00:11:31.520as well. Um, so, uh, like perfect example, um, if we were to say, and this is from a song or
00:11:40.520the death song, um, hard. So the, the sound is H hard is the road comma to Hela's home.
00:11:52.220And then that would be one sentence. The second sentence would then start with an H, uh, Heimdall's
00:12:00.300children they do go and that's just referencing the pathways that all of us must take to death
00:12:08.860um so that's kind of a a cool thing that i was looking at earlier today that i wanted to make
00:12:15.740note of to let people you know if you're writing prayers or writing things um in dedication
00:12:23.340um for neither slog style is a really easy and fun way to become conscious of your speech
00:12:33.100which is ultimately i think the spiritual power of poetry um and so once you become that that
00:12:40.860consciousness of your speech you're able to kind of formulate um speech that is directive
00:12:48.620and purposeful in relation to the gods the ancestors or the land whites um outside of that
00:12:57.900most people i think know this more from the guild beginning and also from the volus bow
00:13:07.100um this is referencing the volus bow almost in parallel but it focuses particularly around lord
00:13:16.060odin coming down into the realm of the dead which again the gods do not go there very often um and
00:13:26.220it is uh seen as a as an arduous journey and he raises the vulva and there was some people you
00:13:36.220know arguing whether this was the same vulva but again she's referenced in the volus vow
00:13:43.980and in the gil beginning the likelihood that this is some other uh you know
00:13:51.180witch or cirrus is pretty unlikely um and she you know she is asked by lord othen why is
00:14:02.220hellas hall being bedecked with gold and things of that nature so a kind of a foreshadowing of
00:14:12.460Of the moment that two of the gods turn in on themselves, i.e. Hodor and Balder, and that the soul or the spirit of a god is about to descend into the realm farthest away from heaven.
00:14:30.420And so this is just a tragic story, but it's really kind of a bridge between, you know, two stories, the predominance of the Volusbau and the death of Baldr.
00:14:52.260And that's why the title. So a lot of times you'll see the title written as, um, as Veytemsquider. And, uh, that confuses a lot of people. Veytemsquider is, it means the wanderer's utterances.
00:15:13.320uh vey remember the g is usually kind of a soft g y sound uh vetam is of course lord odin as the
00:15:23.820wanderer and uh kvidas is his um utterings and so his speech that is held at that time
00:15:32.560um and you know balder's drama in and of itself most people actually think of that more as the
00:15:41.840actual slaying of balder because he has a dream before he um is slain and that's when uh the story
00:15:53.200in which um the holy frega tries to um oath all things to not harm balder um so that that it does
00:16:03.760cause some confusion in there um outside of that not much again it's a really short um concise poem
00:16:15.200all right well without further ado will you take folks through it and uh read this
00:16:25.680short but dramatic piece of our lore okay yeah um
00:16:53.980And there is some good lore drops during this poem, but an interesting structuring, actually
00:17:00.060that you and i were just talking about before the show um with producer nick about uh the
00:17:08.060gendering of groups it's like right out in the first stanza and i didn't realize it until just
00:17:14.220now um it's so funny um i've noticed this and i never so the challenge tonight this is a 15 stanza
00:17:23.420poem so spawn and i are gonna wax poetic on a bunch of different little things here
00:17:27.900because again the poem's pretty small but um there's a lot of little extra topics that come
00:17:34.460up and i think those rabbit trails are one of the things i enjoy about this i hope you guys
00:17:39.420sometimes enjoy listening to even if they're not all your cup of tea
00:17:43.500one of the things that i think is really special about doing this and i think all too often is not
00:17:52.140appreciated enough by those of us in the moment um so
00:18:03.100we talk a lot about the flow of earth and doing right things in the right order at the right time
00:18:14.140in the right seasons and the more you live nobly and adjust yourself in your life
00:18:24.540to be in alignment with that the more things start to you start to notice synchronicities
00:18:31.900you start to notice pieces fitting together and threads weaving together one thing that
00:18:40.140is very striking to me doing this program the longer that i do is the connectivity within the
00:18:49.020same conversation of the same day or the same thing that goes on the points that
00:18:55.100touch back on something we earlier spoke about in the same show or in the same show prep
00:19:00.540all of the pieces that start fitting together and connecting to one another and i think
00:19:07.020think that's important I think it's because we are training ourselves both us presenting
00:19:14.100the program but also you in the audience to see and think through
00:19:22.140through an also true lens through a uh the appropriate lens of Earth but I think that
00:19:30.480also stuff starts fitting together because we're we're getting better at this collectively
00:19:36.960As we grow and as we do things that are pleasing to the gods and that are, you know, in the right flow of things, stuff starts working and building upon each other.
00:19:50.180And I think that that's evidenced in that in a way.
00:19:54.760And I think it's neat every time I notice it, and I hope you guys notice it too, but I find it kind of meaningful.
00:20:44.760And or because it's used in the in the in the overall sense.
00:20:48.780And so the feminine often got a kind of a special nomenclature that that was not lumped in to the to the group.
00:20:59.400I'm sure somebody will try to say that it's like exclusivory or what have you.
00:21:03.600but that's just the way that that the language formulated and we see it here um because the
00:21:09.600usage of the word in the first line sen vauru aesir aller ao thinki um yeah i see are the
00:21:19.680the plurality of the gods the the totality of them but then in the next line they speak
00:21:26.140specifically about the kind of getting together as only the goddesses.
00:21:34.840So in stanza one, once were the gods together met and the goddesses came
00:21:43.400and councils held, and the far famed ones, again, those who have risen after
00:21:56.140death, ascendant ones, the truth would find why baleful dreams to Balder had come.
00:22:06.400So now, all of the gods, all of the goddesses, or all of the Aus, and all of the Asenior,
00:22:16.420and all of the Ascendant Ones who, because of their far fame, has brought them up into the
00:22:27.960heavenly realm. They would find out why a dream had befallen to Baldr. And so this kind of runs
00:22:38.000parallel to that story so right now as balder has the dream and the gods come together it is lord
00:22:47.760odin who immediately takes to his horse and goes the the long and treacherous road to the place
00:22:56.400that is that is farthest away from the heavenly realm and uh he's doing this specifically um to
00:23:04.560gain insight but um in stanza two then uh olden rose the enchanter old um and you can see it in
00:23:18.480stanza too if you're if you're following along you know rise olden all the gouter gouter is where we
00:23:26.320get the word god from um uh most people don't realize that god is not a uh a semitic word it's
00:23:34.320not um even a greek word um and it is uniquely germanic so the aldegotter the um the god of of
00:23:45.360ancient ways uh spells um and the saddle he laid on slight nears back
00:23:55.600slight near of course is or slave near excuse me i'm doing the the german ei um
00:24:03.840whose name means the slipping one or the one that can slip between realms um
00:24:12.400uh thence rode he down to niff hell deep
00:24:17.120and the hound he met that came from hell so important to remember uh a lot of folks out
00:24:30.080there i wouldn't say a lot of folks because there isn't many of them but a lot of the um
00:24:34.000the the ones that follow away from the correct path um they view ausgarther and heaven as
00:24:42.240synonymous and there is a paralleling in the worlds between ausgarther and helgarth because
00:24:51.280helgarth resides in nivhel and so it is a place within a place ausgarther as well is a place
00:25:01.840within heaven or hymen or uh hymenya um and so they kind of again uh parallel and what you know
00:25:13.360there is a holy god that stands on the edge of ausgarther in heaven um and he is heimdall and
00:25:22.560then in juxtaposition there is the hound and this hound is garm um and so when he rides down there
00:25:32.560is just a brief mentioning of the the the threshold guardian of um nivel hell or the hell hound
00:25:43.520Um, and that's most likely where the hell hound, um, you know, mythos comes from. It's a, you know, linking memory back to, um, the old religion before Christianity.
00:25:58.740um so he rode nifhell deep and the hound he met that came from hell three he says bloody was he
00:26:10.060was on his breast before at the father of magic he howled from afar forward rode odin the earth
00:26:20.100resounded till the house so high of hell he reached so he is blaring through the realms
00:26:29.860on the slipping horse um as it transfers through and he he comes upon garm whose chest is uh
00:26:41.060drenched with blood and that blood is from the dead who walk beneath him he is quite literally
00:26:47.620the the gate at nipa's cave um and that's the the assurance that certain spirits once they pass him
00:26:56.740they don't return and nothing gets in of course you are riding slipner um so i want to pause for
00:27:09.060a sec because i want to acknowledge a couple of things before you get forward this is a really
00:27:13.140say it's really short but if you notice the point of it isn't just narrative
00:27:21.620it's to be a pleasing you know cool piece of poetry and it is the imagery is really striking
00:27:28.260it's very powerful um and i wanted to point out a little bit about etymology because stuff that
00:27:35.940that we talk about and i think this is an interesting point the word god
00:27:43.540it's kind of germanic but it's also kind of greek it's kind of indo-european and it goes back to the
00:27:48.420very earliest days of our connectivity it's it's zero parts semitic but it's it goes back to um
00:27:57.940and again when they go in the proto-indo-european there's a lot of funny notations over letters and
00:28:05.860stuff that i'm not going to pretend i get right the well actually is on this please let me know
00:28:10.020because i you know more about it than i do as far as the pronunciation but uh from
00:28:17.940goo which goes to gutos but you is the act of to pour or to to libate to offer a liquid offering
00:28:29.620with mead or wine or beer or whatever that might be so i know that there is a lot of emphasis on
00:28:39.220animal sacrifice and things in the elder period even human sacrifice but it's interesting to see
00:28:45.700that the oldest form of worshiping and the more that some of you may be aware of this
00:28:52.260swan and myself and the astro folk assembly in general certainly the gothar are on a journey to
00:28:59.140educate ourselves on old norse it is a challenge we are working through it nowhere near close to
00:29:06.980getting it perfect but we're making progress and when it feels like man never gonna get this is
00:29:14.180too hard it's crazy i'm not getting it at all i'm surprised at how much stuff does sink in
00:29:19.700so it's really interesting on this looking at the word bloat and its etymology always thought
00:29:25.380it meant blood it doesn't it's actually from a different root and the oldest um records of this
00:29:33.620the more we learn is like i mentioned that idea of pouring and libating and the idea of pouring
00:29:38.660out an offering to a deity goes back to the proto-indo-european like original arian times
00:29:47.380before we've separated out before the people that you think of as germanic or greek or latin or
00:29:54.100celtic or slavic back when we were all together that was our how we offered and there may well
00:30:01.620have been animal sacrifices and other sacrifices as well i'm not diminishing those in any way
00:30:06.740but one thing that early practitioners of also true uh of modern house true would lament was
00:30:13.940like they would try to justify their use of meat offerings is like well not really offering you
00:30:19.940know animals or you know cat war captives it's the best we got we'll pretend it's good enough
00:30:27.380and try to make a way to justify it or make it good enough but the more we learn and they didn't
00:30:34.020have access to the information we have access to now the offering of a libation is the oldest
00:30:42.100and the root word of what a god is to our people since the very dawn of of linguistics so i think
00:30:51.140that's really informative and useful also um a heathen man over on the side
00:30:59.140conversation may have progressed since the last thing i saw i don't know anyways
00:31:02.900he mentioned that he was wearing his hammer at work the other day and somebody else was as well
00:31:08.020and they came at him and they were super excited about talking about the norena society and this
00:31:11.940and that and he knows you know how we feel on them and that's true we come by all of those things
00:31:18.340honestly but i don't think that all of those people are bad actors or terrible humans i think
00:31:24.980some of them don't get it i think mark perrier is a great human he's a really you know nice guy he's
00:31:32.100always been very friendly i think he's fantastic as a person and uh yeah so that doesn't need to be
00:31:40.980if we give the feeling that there's undue animosity there i don't mean it that way if
00:31:46.580that's how i'm coming off i am passionate about it because i don't think they approach
00:31:53.460aussitrue correctly but i think that they're closer to people that have no interest in
00:31:58.980aussitrue whatsoever and i think that their interest in it might well lead them to us
00:32:07.140which i think is the correct way to do aussitrue or or you know the most correct way we have
00:32:13.140and it has in the past led a lot of people here so i think that's great that you ran into somebody who
00:32:19.540is about this and i don't know if they are wearing the hammer because they are interested
00:32:24.500in an oriental society or if they're actively you know worshiping our ancestral gods that's
00:32:30.660fantastic if they are and uh yeah that's that's really cool um yeah if he's again i'm not following
00:32:42.020all the conversations so i could be missing something over in the chat uh but yeah if yeah
00:32:47.700if if it's interesting to him you know it'd be awesome if he was encouraged to listen to the
00:32:52.740program either way that's fantastic and those kind of things happen more and more often when you wear
00:32:58.500your uh when you wear your hammer out and openly um at the places where you find yourself at your
00:33:06.020job if that's cool where you work if religious expression of all people is first if you if you
00:33:13.620don't because of whatever reason you have that's your life to figure out if you live in a place
00:33:19.300uh of work where nobody expresses their religion because that's not appropriate there
00:33:24.660you know that's fine but there's a lot of people see opportunities where they can't wear it or
00:33:29.540shouldn't wear it instead of all the opportunities where they should wear it to the gym wear it to
00:33:34.500the store wear it to you know your kids baseball game wear it to whatever you go and you do
00:33:42.180and these situations occur often and that's kind of neat i've been uh with our founder
00:33:49.140steve mcnall in times that we've traveled together or shared flights or or whatever
00:33:54.100i'm always surprised when he and i are out anywhere um he is much better at this than i am
00:34:01.780he is a much more outgoing just naturally effervescent person when you meet somebody
00:34:07.780so he is very approachable and he has a lot of really good conversations when people notice his
00:34:12.500hammer i have some but i kind of i think look grumpy a lot of the times and sometimes folks
00:34:21.060don't necessarily approach me with that but i find that a lot of people do at like checkout lines
00:34:27.300or you know counters where i'm paying with something it kind of forces a one-on-one and
00:34:31.380they notice and that's a really neat thing and it's something that happens a lot now that didn't
00:34:36.260didn't used to happen but yeah i diverged no i wanted to say a little bit too uh i think that
00:34:46.340um a lot of the folks at the norena society are good folk and i i do believe that the the you
00:34:53.460know they're honoring the gods but our biggest issue is like ecclesiastical um misinterpretation
00:35:03.860on their part and some of the changing of the lore is what we really focus on um and that could
00:35:10.660be an interesting topic for you guys to discuss um there you know the the books that they have
00:35:17.940kind of pumped out in a way um are you know impressive in the sense that they are pumped out
00:35:26.180but again there are some issues that we personally have with the way that they're structuring things
00:35:33.220and changing things and their interpretations of things um and you know i even in the beginning of
00:35:40.020one of uh his books um purrier even says you know it is up to us to to go forward and um set
00:35:49.780the the formulation instead of having outsiders do it and um you know we have been doing that um
00:35:58.740it just became kind of like a secondary and then you know when you start to look at it it's like
00:36:04.980there's things you know uh problematic when that you know they're switching all of the
00:36:10.180the wells to hell guard and that the gods go into the underworld uh like in a jaunt um all based off
00:36:18.100of i think a a mr misinterpreted all right so put a pin on that well i i suppose that's wrong let's
00:36:25.300pause for a second on that because that is a point that does come right back to the story
00:36:30.580in i believe if i understand correctly in their conception of things the gods are like daily
00:36:41.680traveling to hellheim to have their councils and to meet out the doom of men and
00:36:49.080one reason that we don't agree there's a variety of reasons but one reason
00:36:55.600is as you can see in the lore or specifically in this poem it's kind of a big deal like the gods
00:37:03.680have met they meet in ausgard to take counsel and to talk and to do things they meet in either
00:37:11.000of old um there's places that they meet in the heavenly realm frequently to discuss stuff when
00:37:19.080this topic comes up and action needs to happen odin gets on his horse and has to go on this
00:37:27.480arduous journey and pass through obstacles and like deal with garm and getting around him and
00:37:37.160and you know this bloody breasted guardian of hell that doesn't let you in um
00:37:43.160um we also have the other hell ride where you know you have to jump over the massive wall it's
00:37:51.080like it's fortified and it's not a easily permeable membrane if as it were you can't just
00:37:58.580go hang out in hell today it's a it's a much more challenging thing and that's part of why we think
00:38:04.700that but the other thing that I want to say just kind of I don't want this to devolve into a0.52
00:38:09.080complaint about the norena society because i think that's more negative than we mean it to
00:38:14.680be when i think that a lot of people are perhaps well say perhaps i think a bunch of people find
00:38:19.800themselves they're very well intentioned i think there's some people that have stayed there for a
00:38:23.640long time that were not necessarily well intentioned and i think they have a way of
00:38:29.640casting a bad shadow on some of the others mark in specific i think he's a really you know good
00:38:34.280guy that means really well um and i have always and still do invite mark purrier to join the house
00:38:43.480true folk assembly we would love to have you be part of what we're doing we would love to do this
00:38:48.360together um we can't in the current setup but if you ever decide that you want to mark purrier
00:38:56.840you're welcome to join us um and i also want to say this that one of the big things if you're
00:39:02.040talking to your friend and it comes up besides all of the specifics and whatever else
00:39:06.600i think if i could narrow it down to the biggest issue is
00:39:14.920an approach based on understanding our gods or our religion through
00:39:22.520scholastic anthropology and like literary anthropology if that's even a word if it's
00:39:33.320not i'm sure there may be a better a better word than that um whereas our approach is one of
00:39:43.880building a relationship with our gods and trying to understand the lore through a lens of
00:39:49.800of sincere devotional belief in our gods.
00:39:54.700And I think that the directionality of those two things
00:39:58.320lead to very different results sometimes.
00:49:27.140um i believe that the tear rune is the rune that corresponds to that in his rune songs
00:49:38.500that he knows one that a hangman will come down from the noose down from the gallows and be able
00:49:43.060to speak and he can ask him things so being able to consult with the dead by you know means of
00:49:50.100compelling them to do so is one of odin's uh one of odin's abilities that he has
00:49:57.780yeah the uh the essence of what it would have an effect on the audience too is something that i
00:50:04.900think that when we're reading stories we should consider that why is is the necromancy or the um
00:50:13.300you know the the death speech um and how it would it would impact the audience this is
00:50:21.860deep mysterious things that um lord odin is so intimately connected with
00:50:30.740that um it's just a spooky i also think that svan needs to do funny voices
00:50:36.740whenever he's reading anybody's character like quotations that needs to be a thing from here on
00:50:43.300Well, and sometimes when I read, so I don't read Baldur's drama, this is kind of paralleling the story of the death of Baldur, and it sometimes is added in whenever I, you know, I'll read a story about it.
00:51:02.500Um, and yeah, I always have to voice the, uh, the Lord Othen and this kind of decrepit being, um, who has been around and has seen nine trees before Yggdrasil, which is a very interesting point.
00:51:20.420That's not mentioned in this poem, but that she has, she goes so far back and he is able to willfully pull her out of the seams of creation.
00:51:33.460So, no, one thing I just wanted to mention, especially tonight, we got a short poem.
00:51:41.500Um, so those of you who have been listening to our entire series on, um, the Eddas so far
00:51:54.640may obviously pick up on this. Um, poetry and storytelling are such an essential element
00:52:04.960of our ancestors also true practice. And I think they're practice of a lot of things.
00:52:12.220and it's something that has largely gone by the wayside today we're used to reading for utility
00:52:19.100or speed reading we don't have a lot of
00:52:24.460poetic expression that's not explicitly musical i think we still have that in society and song
00:52:31.500um and we have that in in religious song just not necessarily also true related but
00:52:39.980the idea of poetry and dramatic storytelling is i mean for thousands of years was fundamental to
00:52:52.540our ancestors and would be i don't know would be cool to start seeing some of that re-emerge
00:53:05.100within our culture and it's one of those things that i would love to see some of that but i can't
00:53:09.740just will that to happen um that's not my particular skill set but it's neat if some
00:53:16.540of that were to develop what it is kind of interesting on and i'd encourage everybody
00:53:21.340to listen if you have a chance uh swain bjorn vientensen uh the the founder of the
00:53:27.500Austertrur Felgeg in Iceland. I hope I got the, I hope I pronounced that correctly.
00:53:35.740He was very into that. That was a big part of his participation and approach to Austertrur
00:53:42.940was through dramatic storytelling, classical Icelandic poetry, and Reamer, which I joked
00:53:49.260with Svan about earlier. There are recordings of his doing different pieces, different pieces of
00:53:55.580our lore in uh reamer and i would encourage all you guys out there to give that a listen
00:54:02.620it's really cool if you can follow along with the actual bits of the etta that he's doing which you
00:54:08.700can on this website that we're currently looking on if you go to the right poetry on it i think
00:54:13.980that's really informative but just having it on and listening to the sound of the words and the
00:54:18.460cadence and hearing the voice of one of our exalted holy heroes i think is beneficial too
00:54:28.380so i would encourage folks to consume that if you can and uh nick might be so kind as to put up a
00:54:36.620couple of links at some point but yeah i just figured i'd interject that because it's such an
00:54:42.540important part of what we're going over yeah i think a lot of people don't realize that we do
00:54:49.100honor uh swain bjorn um some folks might not know that uh but yeah because of his um
00:55:00.460you know his connection and movements towards um uh re-emerging the gods to the folk
00:55:09.420unfortunately i think it kind of slipped out of his hands but we're doing research right now where
00:55:14.540apparently um there were two folks one that i met personally uh yorman grinky he took um
00:55:23.660the also through failure in a different direction i think more uh in the sense of like globalist
00:55:29.660politics or perhaps of that sense. But there was another who both of them looked towards for
00:55:40.540counseling, and he created his own folkish group in Iceland. And we're just currently delving.
00:55:50.380He was one of the founding fathers of the Astur-Feleget with Sveinbjorn. But we honor
00:55:59.020sveinbjorn on uh july the fourth is his day of remembrance and uh yeah pious man a well well
00:56:07.740intentioned uh devoted son of the isir and as i mentioned politics politics are
00:56:21.100circumstantial they address the needs of a place of a time of a situation
00:56:27.980um piety religion values don't those things can be applied in different ways to different
00:56:37.420circumstances but with a with a common common direction a common orientation and it's one of
00:56:46.540those things i think that uh it's easy certainly the ice uh the austrofelligeth in iceland now is
00:56:57.100um and I I would say this again I don't address this I made the distinction between religion
00:57:05.560and politics they have made their religion very overtly political in a very leftist way and they've
00:57:13.120made it very non-religious um at present their current leadership is atheist does not genuinely
00:57:22.000believe in in the isir not as gods maybe as concepts or as whatever they conceive them as
00:57:28.960um i don't know how much that speaks for their uh their members it's hard to tell
00:57:36.000um but they've become very left-wing activists the original founding generation of that was
00:57:43.900was very folkish in a traditional way uh but i think it's really easy to judge maybe some
00:57:52.140statements and some views expressed in iceland when they are completely homogeneous society
00:58:00.300for almost all of their existence including you know very much so today when we're looking at it
00:58:09.100from a modern american point of view where it's you know a very multicultural society that's very
00:58:16.300much a melting pot of lots of different groups of people so i think that the perspective and
00:58:23.340the emphasis on certain things expresses itself really differently sometimes things are an
00:58:29.020activist issue that needs dealing with whereas other times things are just the assumed norm and
00:58:34.780don't even need to be spoken on so it's just something to think about and to try to judge
00:58:40.940people in a different place at a different time by their standards and not just knee-jerk reacting
00:58:49.100to them by the standards we deal with or the situation we find ourselves in
00:58:55.180the um the other thing that's worth just about the poem itself too that i was just thinking about
00:59:07.180was uh the titling of of vay tam versus olden olden is a title as well the the arian gods
01:22:09.860it's a similar phenomenon but a on a smaller scale but betraying you know betraying members of your
01:22:16.420family is horrendous and it you know the ultimate expression of that obviously is kinslaying but um
01:22:28.100sexual abuse within a family um those kind of things things that are permanently damaging
01:22:36.660are on that same scale but you know not exactly slaying but that was one of the things and it's
01:22:46.260one of the things that was interesting to me that was pointed out in culture of the teutons that i
01:22:49.780found kind of profound when an outsider wrongs you you can rebalance the scale by taking from their
01:22:58.660team by you know them compensating from their pile of resources to your pile of resources
01:23:08.820but when you're in a family you share resources so if your brother takes something from you
01:23:16.260and you know destroys that you extracting that from your brother makes like it may shift things
01:23:26.720but it's in in a in a truly ausitru sense it's taking resources from your left pocket and putting
01:23:34.360it in your right pocket the smallest unit in ausitru isn't the individual it's the family
01:23:41.060And that's why it's such a vile and difficult circumstance, because strife amongst families has been common since the dawn of time.
01:23:56.140Understanding the damage that causes generationally, I think, is reflected in the severity of the things we're talking about.
01:24:03.020Another thing, too, as he is the instrument of vengeance or revenge for wrongdoing, and the Austvenir, Rindr, or Rind, as it is written, anglicized,
01:24:21.780Um, she is, uh, like many of the Austvenir, beloved of the gods, she joins the gods, but is, um, of, of Jotun blood and comes from, um, the center world, uh, and is kind of elevated up.
01:24:39.920and um she is the ausfineer or of of of ice and of the cold and of the uh you know the the
01:24:51.660blasting wind and the crystallization um of the land and so you know uh it always made me think
01:24:59.780of like i don't know where it came from or when it when it hit me but i was like yes it's kind of
01:34:08.700I think that that has great possibility there as well.
01:34:12.340And I need to, it's immediately making me want to go and look at where she speaks about how she was living in a cave and watch the nine trees before this tree referencing Yggdrasil.
01:34:29.820so that's an interesting um you know the the the mother of all um foul uh you know hexa or you know
01:34:43.100um sorceresses if you will um but she tells him go ride home and and uh until loki wanders loose
01:34:53.420from his bonds that's the big one um and to the last strife the destroyers come and um
01:35:05.180that ends the poem um again really powerful even too when you consider the fact that a lot of it
01:35:12.780is repetitive intro outros um it still packs a punch it's it's concentrated um
01:35:21.900um and i you know just i i was reading it earlier um and i was like oh yeah this is
01:35:29.980this i were jogging my memory again and it was just like oh this is so good
01:35:34.140um but yes and it's also it's worth noting too that i mean another thing that we do that i don't
01:35:44.400think a lot of folks in maybe older Ausatru or what have you is the piety and devotion towards
01:35:56.700Lord Balder. You don't generally find a lot of people who claim to be devoted to the gods giving
01:36:07.240devotion to lord balder and if you go to balder soft um there is a uh the mural there and um
01:36:16.840there is a key conduit between the the devotion the piety the strength that we give is is in
01:36:24.600essence filling the horn that balder drinks from so that when he returns he is filled with that
01:36:32.440So that was done on purpose, on the horn, is piety and strength and devotion, again, for the essence of the return.
02:00:31.440jesus is coming back this you know new year's day it's gonna we're gonna celebrate new years
02:00:36.740in heaven that's what's going down and every time it didn't happen and then they projected
02:00:42.780okay certainly year 1000 this is the apocalypse we got to get ready let's make it happen um that
02:00:51.620was very evident in rome and the papal states in italy and it was really important with the
02:00:59.800carolingian dynasty and with charlemagne at the time he thought for sure you know this was going
02:01:05.080to be a thing they were setting up to the the this was going to happen at the turn of the 2000s
02:01:11.480we're going to get prepped and ready for this it's coming and it didn't and so you see this
02:01:18.120in modern there's so much in times prophecy stuff by um by protestant christianity that's a really
02:01:26.680popular theme because every new thing is like nope the signs are all here and i don't say that to be
02:01:35.000to be rude i think in all of our lives when we experience the worst thing we've ever experienced
02:01:42.360okay can't get worse than this this is going to be the end because we go by our level of experience
02:01:48.920you know if you were in rome and the eternal empire has crumbled and the the goths the visigoths are
02:01:56.360coming over the walls and like vandals are coming in aleric's coming it's done cool surely this is
02:02:04.920a wrap this is end times and every time you see a new thing you know there's a world war there's a
02:02:12.600second world war oh wow there's nuclear bombs now every new thing is a new opportunity
02:02:21.400to cast that in a different light or on a bigger or more epic scale i think we all see those things
02:02:29.220and it's easier it's easy to recognize patterns and it's like a lot of nostradamus's quatrains
02:02:37.240you can play a game with those and i don't mean again to be disrespectful but you can play a game
02:02:44.560with those and put that in any time in any circumstance and challenge somebody to make
02:02:49.420the pieces fit you can make the pieces fit for anything you want ah the king in the north does
02:02:55.460this thing to the nation in the south and then the bear from the east devours the king and
02:03:01.020with those kind of things you can apply that to the further we go in the progression of the
02:03:09.220information that we have access to a number of people you can find that wherever you look if
02:03:15.540You look hard enough and you're into doing that enough.
02:03:18.960As kind of a side note, as Jehovah's Witness briefly in 99-2000, 98-99-2000, it was the new system was going to happen any day now.
02:03:39.840And they were so into it. They had all these really in-depth prophecies from the book of Daniel, and they'd done all these calculations. And end times was going to, the generation at the start of the tribulation was going to be there to see the second coming of Jesus.
02:03:58.540So they had it figured. The people who were alive during the First World War, because the First World War was when Satan was cast out of heaven, and that's going to be the start date. And then times, time, and half a time or whatever I think it said in Daniel.
02:04:15.140there was there's this big prophecy built around that generation of people will still be alive
02:04:21.140but then in the 90s you started to see like wow these people are even people who were just born
02:04:27.680at the outbreak of the first world war these people are they're getting up there in the
02:04:33.120their 80s or in the 90s or over 100 nope all of those people are dead and it still hasn't happened
02:04:39.460so they got to recalculate and with them i think that's like the fourth or fifth recalculation
02:04:45.060they've done that's not what we do that's not relevant to ausitru um the cycles of
02:04:58.980birth becoming death rebirth and all of those things we see them as one of the ways that we
02:05:04.580relate to existence but our gods are eternal in our at least as much as we can understand eternity
02:05:14.900they're the gods of our folk and of our race and cycles happen and continue to happen the cycles
02:05:20.820help us to understand them but to try to link that story with some kind of um
02:05:30.900millennial end times prophecy isn't, I think that's misguided.
02:05:48.300Sorry, I was going to say, I've seen, I'm seeing some chatter over on the side,
02:05:55.100And I wanted to bring up a couple of points. One of the big gripes that's going on is about not spiraling out into a doomsday kind of thing that that Christianity and Judaism and so on is kind of carry.
02:06:10.220um but there's some interesting points to note um aryan religions always have a war in the beginning
02:06:20.240a war at the end uh and and that existence in between but the difference lies in the fact of
02:06:27.580whether the religion is warrior of a warrior spirit or of say like a death cult or a lamentation
02:06:36.520spirit i think that's very very different uh we know that you know we live in a in the the wolf
02:06:43.000age will come but we just said i mean that application of those titles are perennial
02:06:49.880so the idea is that the struggle exists in which way you take it if you lament if you if you think
02:06:57.000that oh you know the end times are coming and um will finally be saved from the terribleness of
02:07:04.200living um versus the warrior mythos is the the end times are inevitable and we must you know
02:07:12.120keep building keep going stronger and better and harder at things um there's there's a vast
02:07:20.200difference between the two that should be noted a lot of people will immediately default to the
02:07:25.880idea that snorty influenced um much of his christian views and into uh the adas and there
02:07:34.600is some truth to that but it is worth noting that like pre um hellenic influence of of judaism and
02:07:43.720and christianity didn't have a lot of this most of their stuff comes from mortal things like
02:07:49.720the uh the siege of gidon is what eventually leads to the concept of armageddon or armageddon0.96
02:07:58.440um but it wasn't until they reached the hellenicized um or became the hellenicized jews0.63
02:08:06.680in turkey and in uh lebanon and stuff like that that they started really absorbing arian concepts0.59
02:08:14.520The Trinity is one, the idea of the great battle at the end, and a lot of that.
02:08:20.800There's a reason why Revelations is written in Greek and not Aramaic.
02:08:25.440It's because that influence is super pronounced.
02:08:29.780So I don't think that doomsday is strictly Christian.
02:08:35.860It's just that the concept of the people who observe it, that doom is different.0.51
02:08:42.100um you know there's a all aryan faiths have a tripartite all aryan faiths have an upper upper
02:08:48.800middle and lower world and remember christianity did not have an upper middle or lower world
02:08:53.900until way later um a lot of people don't realize that but uh you know it was it was uh the many
02:09:02.080satans in judaism there was multiples um living on earth with humans on on this existence um
02:09:11.560it wasn't till later when they were kind of encapsulated in an underworld um the uh there
02:09:19.200was no final fight at the end there was a fight in the beginning or at least a casting out which
02:09:27.060isn't really even a fight but um the the idea of the big battle at the end is definitely i think
02:09:36.380another aryan influence so it is really about the way that you as a people perceive um the doom um
02:09:48.700and again these this is simple nature this is um the eternal becoming dawned out of you know
02:09:59.100chaos and then being formulated and then eventually it it has to or it doesn't have
02:10:06.140to be but it is torn down in the great struggle that uh the thing that makes something eternal
02:10:12.220is the threat of it not existing again um so super important i just mentioning that with
02:10:19.100some of the the chatter on the side that's worth noting is and i i don't think that we as
02:10:24.620ausitur should be like you know oh don't you know uh don't look at get spiraled into these doomsday
02:10:33.020death cult kind of mindsets it's worth noting where it is uh viable in our in our theology
02:10:41.740but where it is also where we are different and where we view things differently so i want to
02:10:47.180to address something to um armenius return in the chat room he's been real active over there he's
02:10:56.500got some another question coming up in the queue i appreciate you being here i appreciate you being
02:11:02.320active and you know expressing you know your thoughts and being part of the conversation
02:11:08.720over on the side what i would invite you to do as a
02:11:17.840i don't know as a different perspective or a different way of thinking
02:11:22.240because the stuff that you're saying isn't um and the way that you're saying it isn't uncommon it's
02:11:28.400not something that a lot of people you know haven't done or haven't thought and i get that
02:11:33.840but there's a a tone in there and i'm not trying to project it on you i don't presume to know
02:11:39.520exactly where you're coming from on it but the tone of our gods being somehow personification
02:11:49.840of natural phenomenon and like a poetic way of describing the natural world is
02:12:03.840I think when people say that sometimes they mean something deeper on the surface of it, it appears to a lot of us that practice our religion in a very devotional way, like a form of atheism, like it's a suggestion that gods are not real.
02:12:20.140they're just a poetic way of describing natural natural circumstance and that's the way that um
02:12:27.660scholars have traditionally related to non-abrahamic faiths is by suggesting that our
02:12:35.500ancestors these you know primitives that grunt and beat on sticks and make up you know magic
02:12:43.500spirits to explain things they don't understand yet the the jews and the and the arabs and the0.72
02:12:50.620and the christians are able to magically you know their their god's the real one but everybody else0.80
02:12:56.860is just a confused savage and that's that's not the case our ancestors were incredibly smart people
02:13:06.460they had the same brain capacity that we do as modern humans
02:13:10.140they don't need to make offerings and devote worship and temples and hoffs to
02:13:24.120pretty ways of describing natural things so i would challenge you to what would it look like
02:13:31.800if our gods are real entities that have been part of the gift cycle with our folk since the dawn of
02:13:40.040time and if we our ancestors grew to understand them by relating them to natural circumstances
02:13:52.760that highlight their power or highlight their glory in a certain way
02:14:00.040the directionality of that's really important um if you if your starting point is that the icr must
02:14:08.040and do exist therefore let's understand how our ancestors related to them certainly we see like
02:14:16.280your point about balder we understand the similarity between balder's return and this
02:14:22.760and the sun as being a beautiful expression of that and so we celebrate balder at midsummer
02:14:30.360but it's not because balder is the sun it's because we see that natural thing as a beautiful
02:14:40.280reminder or symbol of balder is not a symbol of the sun the sun is a symbol of balder
02:14:47.480and the directionality of that matters tremendously
02:14:50.520thor isn't an explanation for thunder thunder helps us understand the majesty and the might
02:14:58.540of us and thor and those are the i i would like you to if you would i invite you to think on the
02:15:06.300directionality of those things maybe it would inform what you do or how you think but i hope
02:15:13.920it would inform the way that you perceive how we think in relation to you know the direction
02:15:22.220we're coming from and so i say that not just you but everybody else who's listening because
02:15:27.420it is a very common um place to start from and so i think that's worth mentioning
02:15:33.840ah so one of your questions uh armenius return question could the stories of the gods be astral
02:15:44.780theology i'm not sure what you mean by that term svan do you are you picking up what he is laying
02:15:53.000down in that question yeah um yes yes i am and uh so astro theology is again kind of what you
02:16:02.660you were just talking about um instead of say natural forces within the biomes of of the earth
02:16:10.260now we're talking about celestial forms and those movements um taking place and you see that a lot
02:16:16.900when we talk about like and the idea of like the great void in the center being perhaps space um
02:16:25.140But it is important to consider the directionality, as I was heard ago, they said, is that, for instance, when the story of Thor drinking from the horn drops the level of the sea.
02:16:41.720um it is the god's actions the god's interface with the the middle with uh the middle world
02:16:52.760um that which is material that which is physical that which has causality um it is their interaction
02:17:00.180that creates those differences so could there be a cosmological effect of the the machinations of
02:17:09.580the gods and of the forces that are, are, um, I do believe so, but I don't think it's the other
02:17:17.640way around. I don't think that, um, astral or cosmo cosmological effects, um, are simply the
02:17:26.520gods in maybe scientific titling or, or what have you. And I don't think that's what you're saying,
02:17:32.720But I mean, just from my very, very minute understanding of astrotheology, so I can't speak heavily, but it just seems like that those correlations kind of become the merging point between natural phenomena and divine phenomena.
02:17:53.280and um you know we in the astrophobic assembly definitely look at the willful manifestation of
02:18:02.100action that the gods and other forces partake have effect in the middle realm all that flows
02:18:09.280in from the east and from the west and from above and from below have an effect in the material um
02:18:17.220how far that goes out is something that I've pondered often. Um, you know, there is clearly
02:18:24.040life here, but beyond here, um, is one that I, I, I ponder about it, but I don't know. Um,
02:18:35.860can the gods do things in the astral and the cosmic? I believe so. And I think that our lore,
02:18:43.440Or really to our gods are not strictly confined to the earthly state that they can very well.
02:18:55.260If we take to the stars and start pressing our expansion into the heavens, we will take our gods and bear that piety to them with us.
02:19:13.440um no matter how far we kind of go um you know because again at what point is
02:19:22.240is is emir the earth yes is emir the cosmos yes it's it's again it's that hard to to wrap around
02:19:31.520the the application of of the the perennial truth of mythos is that it it it grows bigger
02:19:39.120and it can shrink smaller and all apply at the same time but yes
02:28:54.380if i'm following him in the chat and my understanding of egregore is it's
02:29:02.780a thought form that gains a life of its own or an existence based on the
02:29:14.360collective will or pool of mental energy of the people who are
02:29:22.940giving rise to it for lack of a better term and the closest analogy within ausitru that i'm aware
02:29:35.240of to that concept is the idea of like a personified hymenia and i think i think there's
02:29:44.940something to that though i don't think it is an entity i think there is a collective well of
02:29:52.360luck formed by groups of people due to their association and ritual acts within that
02:29:58.760association but it's not the same as a thought form come to life but i am i'm loosely familiar
02:30:07.800with the concept the times that i have encountered it have seemed to be like a
02:30:21.400I don't, I promise I don't mean any disrespect when I say that. I don't know a better way to put it across. It seems like a fancy atheism, like adding cool imagery to not really believing in the sentient external existence of a God or a, you know, being that you were in communion with.
02:30:46.620um and again different people may mean something different when they when they say it it's hard
02:30:54.520when it's hard when there are things that when you talk about uh spiritual things or metaphysical
02:31:02.780things vocabulary tends to fail to convey exact meaning or precise things it's one of the
02:31:11.100I think it's very important to approach
02:31:19.880Alistair true or I think any religion with from a very simple but very genuine place
02:31:30.620and to build on that simplicity. I think we don't allow ourselves mentally or emotionally
02:31:41.200often enough to drop our preconceptions, let our guards down and be open to spiritual experience.
02:31:50.620So I think a lot of people have to go through a process where they intellectualize and rationalize
02:31:58.180and come up with really complex thoughts and theories to try to, I don't know, facilitate
02:32:08.180that process or merge their worldview with the practice of a particular religion.
02:32:20.140I think sometimes it's a starting point.
02:32:22.620A lot of the time it's an ending point or it's a static point of where people are.
02:32:28.180And I don't, I don't fault those deeper thoughts. Once you establish relationship on a simple, but genuine, just heartfelt way, I think you can build on that.
02:32:48.020And I think you can probably build on that infinitely with more specialized way of expressing it,
02:32:56.480a very complex philosophical or theological lexicon to make it interface with other faith
02:33:15.780It's about building a relationship between the folk and the gods, between yourself, your family, and our gods, and maintaining that through consistent sharing in that gift cycle.
02:33:38.080most of us and certainly starting from you know the earliest childhood we don't form relationships
02:33:46.420based on philosophical constructs or esoteric theories or any of those things we form relationships
02:33:58.500by empathy and projecting that empathy onto beings that share our experience in some way.
02:34:11.020And we build relationships through genuine expression of emotion. We build enmity if we
02:34:20.740have expressions of hate or rage or anger at something or hostility, we build a relationship
02:34:26.840that way or with you know love and warmth and a familial feeling with things that we
02:34:34.460that we care about that we cherish that we build a loving relationship with
02:34:39.360those things aren't stuff we think out or we analyze they're things that you do
02:34:47.360and I think that I think that our folk are best served starting there and building from it
02:34:57.640as opposed to trying to start out by some very complex intellectualization of it
02:35:07.280because I think when you do that you miss some of the beauty of a very simple relationship
02:35:12.940And I think at whatever point you get to, our gods are gods, and whatever the highest evolution of our mortal ability to analyze and dissect philosophy and esoterics and theology, as great as our greatest genius is of that, they are far below the wisdom and understanding of our gods.
02:35:41.480I don't think we impress them with how extremely hyperanalyzed our situation is.
02:35:52.340I think it's far more meaningful to have genuine devotional worship of our gods and build a relationship that way.
02:36:04.520I can't pretend that I know what that's like or I understand existence.
02:36:08.100All I can do is project my experience and hope that it relates in some way to theirs, or more likely, know that they understand where I'm coming from in my experience, and that the genuineness of a simple relationship impresses upon them.
02:36:33.600at least they you know makes them feel good you know it's like if you think about a child that
02:36:40.800does some a kindness towards you not one of your own children but any child it's nice and it makes
02:36:47.280you feel warm and good inside when a little kid comes up and gives you something or gives you a
02:36:51.920hug or says something nice to you not because of a depth of philosophizing about it but they see you
02:37:01.200they think you're cool and they want to come up and say something nice and give you something
02:37:06.580that they made and tell you it's a giraffe even though they true you know three legs and some kind
02:37:12.700of you know globule on it the simple expression of hey i was thinking about you i did something
02:37:20.700nice because i really think you're cool or look up to you or or feel nice towards you
02:37:27.240that's the most meaningful thing to me and it's far more meaningful than somebody who relates to
02:37:33.700me in a contractual way in a business way in an analytical way somebody who just comes up even if0.82
02:37:42.440they're mute and can't express it if they're you know retarded if they're whatever it is and they0.80
02:37:48.320come up and give you a hug because they just want to be nice and they feel so happy about you0.84
02:37:54.060That's awesome. I'll take that any day. And it's meaningful and it transcends language. It transcends analytics and thought process. It's just a warm relationship between sentient entities that exist. And I think we can extend that far further than we do. I think that's a really good place to build from.
02:38:16.900And I know that was a really, really long bunch of me saying stuff.
02:38:21.900So I hope that it tracked and made some sense.
02:38:24.840I wanted to speak on something as well.
02:38:27.740There was something that Arminius Return said, you know, that the divine exists.
02:38:35.320But you relate to them until you create something that you can relate to and give life to it by reverence.
02:38:45.640And I think that we've covered that quite often. The only thing is, is when we talk about, and I'm going to butcher how it's pronounced because I've seen it in Latin, era Gregoris, the idea that the divine is created by consciousness of man, I don't agree with.
02:39:05.280But the middle ground that he just mentioned, I do agree with. The reason why we've talked about Pan-Aryanism and why, say, Tyrannus with the wagon wheel and the club, Perun with the bow or the hammer, and Lord Thor with the hammer and the chariot,0.79
02:39:29.200All of these middle grounds are cultural, unique ways that even within the macro group of Aryans, there are micro relations to the gods.0.60
02:39:43.360But I definitely believe that one of the key factors that we look at in the Austro-Folk Assembly is the gods are the gods and that we, in turn, are sprung from them and gain from them, not vice versa.
02:40:01.040So I don't know, like, I, again, I don't agree with the whole, um, the gods themselves, but perhaps the relatableness of the gods. Yes, absolutely. With that uniqueness. But we see it with, um, Lord Ovin and Vidli and Vey in the creation of consciousness to the folk.
02:40:21.380And then we see it again with Heimdall as he comes to great grandmother and great grandfather, and then he comes to grandfather and grandmother, and then he comes to father and mother. And the acceptance of that knowledge and that being, the direction of that is, as we use it, above to down to us. And I think that's really, really important.
02:40:44.640but if you're talking about a middle ground where our consciousness and the consciousness of the
02:40:49.440gods can meet in relation um yeah i i think we do that a lot we see that within our stories we see
02:40:57.520that within the the down to the colors of well you know indra being red skinned thor being you know
02:41:04.800red bearded um there are these little nuanced things that allow us to connect to the gods
02:41:12.880um but i don't believe that the gods would cease to exist if we no longer thought of them if you
02:41:21.120will you know and i again and i think so armenius i want you to understand this
02:41:29.360because i'm reading you over on the side chat no one's trying to project or svan and i are not
02:41:36.720trying to project on you anything but we are responding to you as if you represent
02:41:45.840a bunch of listeners that aren't you but that have expressed similar things
02:41:53.280that may get from what we're saying so please don't take any of the stuff we're saying personally
02:41:58.320because again you and i we haven't had a personal conversation we're going through this and i think
02:42:02.960it's really informative and i appreciate your participation over on the side i'm not
02:42:08.400no one is fawn and i are not coming at you um but trying to explain where we come from in our
02:42:19.280practice of our faith and yeah the gods are much bigger and beyond and different than we can
02:42:28.480possibly comprehend the pictures in the stories the imagery
02:42:37.120helps us to better comprehend them and shape them in a way that makes sense to our brains
02:42:43.120that we can process and i think we all agree on that point and i think that's really important
02:42:51.040and we go from there and what the end result of that actually looks like how that actually
02:42:56.800quantifies and and whatever i don't think any of us can accurately speak to that
02:43:03.280but we get closer i believe the longer we're in a a gift cycle with the gods
02:43:09.520um you mentioned that you're you know i don't know who you're speaking to when you say that
02:43:13.600you're older than them if it's me it's fine i mean seemed a little bit salty when it says you
02:43:20.960feel as though you're talking to children but shoot if you're 70 80 90 i have no idea how old
02:43:29.520you are we may very well be literally the age of your children and that's that is what it is
02:43:39.840but i think approaching the gods starting out in a childlike way is a nice way to start
02:43:48.000it's the way we all started life and i think it leads us to a different
02:43:54.320a different type of maturity than if we approach religion as if we are too mature for it
02:44:02.560and try to intellectualize it over much um
02:44:09.760but i mean i think everybody in the conversation is is well-meaning and i appreciate that i've
02:44:14.240always wanted this to be a place where there's well-meaning questions and well-meaning conversation
02:44:18.960i think it's very important and uh yeah it's hard because we're you know swan and i are here
02:44:26.640in the flesh you know as it were with our voices and our in our video and little snippets of our
02:44:32.960life involved but the people we're talking to aren't and we don't um always know that so keep
02:44:39.040in mind sometimes when we're addressing one of your questions we're speaking to everyone who's
02:44:45.440going to watch this show or listen to it that might have similar thoughts and not just to you who's
02:44:51.520asking um so next in the queue is where does the word arian come from i always hear people claim
02:45:06.320it comes from india and indians are the real arians or at least some people in india are the
02:45:12.880real arians and stuff like that swan do you have anything to offer on where that word comes from
02:45:20.960um yeah so the origination place of our people the home dale the the the place in which we
02:45:32.240come from one of the first expansions out was eastward into india and it was written that
02:45:39.040they called themselves araya um so since this is one of the first expansion points
02:45:49.280the totality of referring to the people uh as araya has has value has um um
02:45:57.360you know, a place. And these people come in to India, they're not Indians. They're, you know,0.88
02:46:05.860they're clearly the Araya and they're coming in to take over the Dravidian people. And we see this1.00
02:46:14.860again when the central, another group kind of goes central and south, and eventually they become known
02:46:23.940this Aryans or Iranians. Um, and so I've also heard people say, no, the Iranians are the true0.98
02:46:31.040Aryans. And again, it it's, it's ethnic, linguistic, cultural, and racial and the language,
02:46:43.320whether it was a title or not, these two groups kind of held it as a title or, uh, chose it as
02:46:49.120a title and the other groups that expanded westward that moved in with uh you know and
02:46:55.340merged with the corded where people who were very genetically similar um did not label themselves
02:47:02.080as a raya because i don't think that they were as focused um the himalayan mountains really focused
02:47:09.000the uh aryans moving into india and the mountains i forgot the name of the mountain range forgive me
02:47:17.620that's north of iran um really focused the way that they title themselves but i do not think
02:47:25.620that was the same case for those moving westward it was a it was a much broader um expanse and
02:47:32.420there was a lot of um even cross fighting as you know the westward expansion was going and so
02:47:38.980what you ended up seeing is the arians that moved westward um saw the value of that word
02:47:47.620in titles say like aristocrat as a noble um but not necessarily as the name of of their people as
02:47:56.860a whole again because they weren't concentrated uh into a funnel and uh whereas the other two
02:48:03.480groups were so you find the value of the length of the word and that's really what connects us all
02:48:11.280If you're talking about Arianus or Arias amongst the Greco-Romans, if you're talking about the Aire amongst the Gauls, if you're talking about the Ara or the Era amongst the Germanic folk, this word has value.
02:48:30.720And, you know, whether they used it as a nomenclature to title themselves, I think that's the biggest difference.0.66
02:48:38.400obviously world war ii people don't want us to use that you know they want kurgan was the the big one
02:48:44.720and then now yamnaya and then indo-european and proto-indo-european and it's kind of like just
02:48:50.240kind of dodging playing the game so that you know people won't take us seriously if we um
02:48:56.480use the word that they really don't want us to use um and we we say no no this this word does
02:49:02.560have value um our people um you know very much could be um given that title as we name ourselves
02:49:13.360uh very much like uh sub-saharan africans generally i would say would be worth um
02:49:19.760oh thank you bucket bucket clinger the czar czar gross mountains yeah our mountain uh region um
02:49:29.600Um, but yeah, the, um, the idea that, you know, uh, well in the West, they didn't use
02:49:37.400it at a, as a name, but everywhere in the language, it holds true.
02:49:41.580And everyone can agree that those languages come from a mother source, but because of
02:49:46.460world war II, we're not allowed to use that nomenclature.
02:49:49.120And I was saying like, you know, we have all these different groups, like in the sub
02:49:52.600Saharan Africans, like the, the, the common usage of the title bond to has started to
02:49:58.440gain popularity amongst those people as a self-name. So I think, you know, people just
02:50:06.180get confused. They'll say, no, it was the Iranians. No, it was the Indians. And I think that
02:50:12.560all of those relate to where our folk were coming from.
03:00:25.600vana true is a thing that i've encountered only a few times and i've only heard of it
03:00:32.880really once in the real world conceptually online a lot of people just want to be different
03:00:41.760and that's an attempt at being different sometimes a friend of mine went to sweden
03:00:49.520and he met with some people that claimed to be vana true and it was just like a wife swap orgy thing0.91
03:01:02.400to where like dudes were trying to offer him like to have sex with their wives and stuff0.92
03:01:08.000and that a lot of the time that's what I think a lot of stuff
03:01:20.360a couple of different currents I think lead to Vanitru for all the reasons it's
03:01:25.520Fawn stated I don't think it's theologically sound the Vanir existing separate from the
03:01:33.020isir exists in the most primordial pre-historical period of time that exists back in the beginning
03:01:44.780very quickly in our lore they were incorporated the two melded together and are collectively
03:01:53.900known as the icier if you are particularly devoted to myrther or frayer or freya then
03:02:04.220also true is your religion and that's what you need to be part of when i have seen online issues
03:02:12.220about of you know vanatru it's i don't know and i'm sure there's a word for this
03:02:23.900Our people, part of our soul sickness, is this hyper-individuality on everything.
03:02:32.360Something that has plagued modern house of truth for its entirety, and still to this day, and we fight through it, and we succeed regardless, and make the best of what we have, and we try to heal it the best we have.
03:02:47.940And I think it's probably healthier now than it's ever been.
03:02:50.260everyone wants to wipe the board clean and start fresh but with them running things
03:02:59.080everybody thinks okay but you guys are all doing it wrong we need to do it my way
03:03:05.060and then every single year needs to be year one
03:03:08.860I'm proud that in the house true folk assembly we are in year 30 that may not seem enormous
03:03:19.660but in the realm of modern house it's true it's huge every new person that comes along knows how
03:03:26.560to do it better or those guys aren't the boss of me i'm going to do it my way and i'm going to name
03:03:31.960it whatever in this case i'm going to name it vanatru and me and my you know whatever folks
03:03:40.540are with me are going to do it this way and everyone wants to be different and i've encountered
03:03:45.740this with a lot of different people i've seen it with people on the far left that are super woke
03:03:51.660they just want to have fatty orgies and want to call it that i've seen it with people on the far
03:03:59.660right that want to be you know super that way but everybody wants to be the king of their own little
03:04:08.060backyard kingdom and it's really hurt us due to lack of cohesion over a long period of time and
03:04:15.420lack of a clear definition of who we are and what we do and vanitru is an example of that i've never
03:04:24.460seen that as being a legitimate expression of worshiping the vanier i've seen that as an excuse
03:04:31.580for people do the exact same thing but only different with them being the boss or the exact
03:04:36.700same thing so they're the king of the backyard you know camp chair big piece of chicken battle or0.97
03:04:46.620yeah we're vana true so we're all about lust and sexuality so let's have an orgy i've seen those0.84
03:04:54.220things literally as a result of that but none of those things move us forward i think it's like a
03:05:00.700lot of the people that want to claim to be roca true or whatever there's just people that go out
03:05:07.580of their way to we really like viking stuff in norse mythology but you guys are doing church stuff
03:05:14.780and we want to do shoulder pelts and face paint and wife swapping stuff and i think that's really
03:05:26.540where that lies. Now, here's the thing. A lot of different people have used the term Vanatru as like
03:05:31.000an alternative position. It linguistically lends itself to that. So, Monk, whoever you're asking
03:05:38.180about, they may be a completely different scenario that don't have anything in common with people
03:05:43.280that I'm addressing. I don't know. I'm just addressing the issues, the people that I know
03:05:48.000who have claimed to be Vanatru in the past. And again, it's not really something I've ever seen