Asatru Folk Assembly - 10⧸2⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 117 - Baldrs draumar

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00:03:04.480 hello welcome once again to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:03:14.620 it's the top of the hour as uh spawn's clock is letting us know

00:03:20.300 it is good to be back with a decent camera again producer nick walked me through some

00:03:28.780 troubleshooting so we're we're back to not looking so blurry and slightly less handsome than normal

00:03:37.820 um it's great to talk to you guys we have witness fawn on tonight we will be going through uh

00:03:45.980 balder's drummer relatively short but a really cool uh poem from our lore i just want to give

00:03:53.180 everybody max time to look that up and nick can throw that up as always we're using the bellows

00:03:58.300 translation tonight um feel free to use whichever one you prefer if you've got got one you like if

00:04:06.940 not this link is pretty handy and it kind of gives you the order and the stuff that we're going

00:04:12.700 through because this is our plan on how we're we're tackling the eddies as far as part of our

00:04:18.780 it is already october so uh welcome to october um

00:04:29.460 top of the show updates if you can make it and time is getting very close

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00:04:49.320 it is going to be absolutely beautiful um it's been my first time in that part of the country

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00:08:40.760 we're ready to get into some stuff so spawn is there any background that folks need to be familiar

00:08:47.800 with uh before we start our reading this evening um yeah structurally this is a very small poem

00:08:59.880 um and it is most likely composed by either the scalds that if there was maybe a small

00:09:10.760 group of them, or specifically one that did Thrymskvida and the Volospow. So the theory is that these are either the same poets or at least one.

00:09:29.440 And it's really, really straightforward. I believe one verse actually mimics another verse from Thrymskvida almost to the letter. So that's why a lot of the leaning towards that.

00:09:45.300 It is written in the Fornideslag style. And Fornideslag style is an interesting style. I think it's my most preferred. It's also one of those that if anybody's interested in perhaps doing a kind of a paralleling of poetics in prayer or in song,

00:10:10.600 um for any this log and the way that it's written is easy to do um now it doesn't translate very well

00:10:19.940 in uh from like say old norse to english but you can kind of get it um you know if you if you follow

00:10:31.220 along um the way that it the rhyming that was done back then was done through alliterative

00:10:38.580 writing or uh rhyming so um generally there was two sounds in the first part of the sentence

00:10:48.460 and the second half of the sentence sentence had to start with that sound um so imagine if

00:10:55.860 you know we're saying a sentence with a comma in the middle and the sound is going to be the t sound

00:11:02.820 So there's going to be a T in the front of that comma and a T in that latter half of the comma.

00:11:09.540 And then the second sentence that's spoken will also have a T.

00:11:15.180 And this created a kind of rhythmic alliterative rhyming sound that was common and also most likely lent to the idea that the poems could be sung.

00:11:31.520 as well. Um, so, uh, like perfect example, um, if we were to say, and this is from a song or

00:11:40.520 the death song, um, hard. So the, the sound is H hard is the road comma to Hela's home.

00:11:52.220 And then that would be one sentence. The second sentence would then start with an H, uh, Heimdall's

00:12:00.300 children they do go and that's just referencing the pathways that all of us must take to death

00:12:08.860 um so that's kind of a a cool thing that i was looking at earlier today that i wanted to make

00:12:15.740 note of to let people you know if you're writing prayers or writing things um in dedication

00:12:23.340 um for neither slog style is a really easy and fun way to become conscious of your speech

00:12:33.100 which is ultimately i think the spiritual power of poetry um and so once you become that that

00:12:40.860 consciousness of your speech you're able to kind of formulate um speech that is directive

00:12:48.620 and purposeful in relation to the gods the ancestors or the land whites um outside of that

00:12:57.900 most people i think know this more from the guild beginning and also from the volus bow

00:13:07.100 um this is referencing the volus bow almost in parallel but it focuses particularly around lord

00:13:16.060 odin coming down into the realm of the dead which again the gods do not go there very often um and

00:13:26.220 it is uh seen as a as an arduous journey and he raises the vulva and there was some people you

00:13:36.220 know arguing whether this was the same vulva but again she's referenced in the volus vow

00:13:43.980 and in the gil beginning the likelihood that this is some other uh you know

00:13:51.180 witch or cirrus is pretty unlikely um and she you know she is asked by lord othen why is

00:14:02.220 hellas hall being bedecked with gold and things of that nature so a kind of a foreshadowing of

00:14:12.460 Of the moment that two of the gods turn in on themselves, i.e. Hodor and Balder, and that the soul or the spirit of a god is about to descend into the realm farthest away from heaven.

00:14:30.420 And so this is just a tragic story, but it's really kind of a bridge between, you know, two stories, the predominance of the Volusbau and the death of Baldr.

00:14:52.260 And that's why the title. So a lot of times you'll see the title written as, um, as Veytemsquider. And, uh, that confuses a lot of people. Veytemsquider is, it means the wanderer's utterances.

00:15:13.320 uh vey remember the g is usually kind of a soft g y sound uh vetam is of course lord odin as the

00:15:23.820 wanderer and uh kvidas is his um utterings and so his speech that is held at that time

00:15:32.560 um and you know balder's drama in and of itself most people actually think of that more as the

00:15:41.840 actual slaying of balder because he has a dream before he um is slain and that's when uh the story

00:15:53.200 in which um the holy frega tries to um oath all things to not harm balder um so that that it does

00:16:03.760 cause some confusion in there um outside of that not much again it's a really short um concise poem

00:16:15.200 all right well without further ado will you take folks through it and uh read this

00:16:25.680 short but dramatic piece of our lore okay yeah um

00:16:31.200 No, I can't do that.

00:16:39.040 Not yet. 1.00

00:16:40.040 Weak Icelandic.

00:16:45.040 No. 0.99

00:16:46.040 Okay.

00:16:47.040 So starting out in stanza one and there's no real introduction lines, it just goes straight

00:16:52.480 into it.

00:16:53.980 And there is some good lore drops during this poem, but an interesting structuring, actually

00:17:00.060 that you and i were just talking about before the show um with producer nick about uh the

00:17:08.060 gendering of groups it's like right out in the first stanza and i didn't realize it until just

00:17:14.220 now um it's so funny um i've noticed this and i never so the challenge tonight this is a 15 stanza

00:17:23.420 poem so spawn and i are gonna wax poetic on a bunch of different little things here

00:17:27.900 because again the poem's pretty small but um there's a lot of little extra topics that come

00:17:34.460 up and i think those rabbit trails are one of the things i enjoy about this i hope you guys

00:17:39.420 sometimes enjoy listening to even if they're not all your cup of tea

00:17:43.500 one of the things that i think is really special about doing this and i think all too often is not

00:17:52.140 appreciated enough by those of us in the moment um so

00:18:03.100 we talk a lot about the flow of earth and doing right things in the right order at the right time

00:18:14.140 in the right seasons and the more you live nobly and adjust yourself in your life

00:18:24.540 to be in alignment with that the more things start to you start to notice synchronicities

00:18:31.900 you start to notice pieces fitting together and threads weaving together one thing that

00:18:40.140 is very striking to me doing this program the longer that i do is the connectivity within the

00:18:49.020 same conversation of the same day or the same thing that goes on the points that

00:18:55.100 touch back on something we earlier spoke about in the same show or in the same show prep

00:19:00.540 all of the pieces that start fitting together and connecting to one another and i think

00:19:07.020 think that's important I think it's because we are training ourselves both us presenting

00:19:14.100 the program but also you in the audience to see and think through

00:19:22.140 through an also true lens through a uh the appropriate lens of Earth but I think that

00:19:30.480 also stuff starts fitting together because we're we're getting better at this collectively

00:19:36.960 As we grow and as we do things that are pleasing to the gods and that are, you know, in the right flow of things, stuff starts working and building upon each other.

00:19:50.180 And I think that that's evidenced in that in a way.

00:19:54.760 And I think it's neat every time I notice it, and I hope you guys notice it too, but I find it kind of meaningful.

00:20:03.600 But yeah, you can go ahead.

00:20:05.600 yeah we were talking about just to let everyone know like what we were talking about how

00:20:12.320 the germanic language has like a a group titling and that group titling is often mirroring with

00:20:20.040 the masculine titling and then the feminine titling of the word is usually separate and

00:20:25.960 unique so like if you have like man that meant people but it also meant male people and then

00:20:33.900 And separated from that, there is Wiefman, which would be, you know, wife, person.

00:20:41.660 Wife, man. Hey, now.

00:20:44.760 And or because it's used in the in the in the overall sense.

00:20:48.780 And so the feminine often got a kind of a special nomenclature that that was not lumped in to the to the group.

00:20:59.400 I'm sure somebody will try to say that it's like exclusivory or what have you.

00:21:03.600 but that's just the way that that the language formulated and we see it here um because the

00:21:09.600 usage of the word in the first line sen vauru aesir aller ao thinki um yeah i see are the

00:21:19.680 the plurality of the gods the the totality of them but then in the next line they speak

00:21:26.140 specifically about the kind of getting together as only the goddesses.

00:21:34.840 So in stanza one, once were the gods together met and the goddesses came

00:21:43.400 and councils held, and the far famed ones, again, those who have risen after

00:21:56.140 death, ascendant ones, the truth would find why baleful dreams to Balder had come.

00:22:06.400 So now, all of the gods, all of the goddesses, or all of the Aus, and all of the Asenior,

00:22:16.420 and all of the Ascendant Ones who, because of their far fame, has brought them up into the

00:22:27.960 heavenly realm. They would find out why a dream had befallen to Baldr. And so this kind of runs

00:22:38.000 parallel to that story so right now as balder has the dream and the gods come together it is lord

00:22:47.760 odin who immediately takes to his horse and goes the the long and treacherous road to the place

00:22:56.400 that is that is farthest away from the heavenly realm and uh he's doing this specifically um to

00:23:04.560 gain insight but um in stanza two then uh olden rose the enchanter old um and you can see it in

00:23:18.480 stanza too if you're if you're following along you know rise olden all the gouter gouter is where we

00:23:26.320 get the word god from um uh most people don't realize that god is not a uh a semitic word it's

00:23:34.320 not um even a greek word um and it is uniquely germanic so the aldegotter the um the god of of

00:23:45.360 ancient ways uh spells um and the saddle he laid on slight nears back

00:23:55.600 slight near of course is or slave near excuse me i'm doing the the german ei um

00:24:03.840 whose name means the slipping one or the one that can slip between realms um

00:24:12.400 uh thence rode he down to niff hell deep

00:24:17.120 and the hound he met that came from hell so important to remember uh a lot of folks out

00:24:30.080 there i wouldn't say a lot of folks because there isn't many of them but a lot of the um

00:24:34.000 the the ones that follow away from the correct path um they view ausgarther and heaven as

00:24:42.240 synonymous and there is a paralleling in the worlds between ausgarther and helgarth because

00:24:51.280 helgarth resides in nivhel and so it is a place within a place ausgarther as well is a place

00:25:01.840 within heaven or hymen or uh hymenya um and so they kind of again uh parallel and what you know

00:25:13.360 there is a holy god that stands on the edge of ausgarther in heaven um and he is heimdall and

00:25:22.560 then in juxtaposition there is the hound and this hound is garm um and so when he rides down there

00:25:32.560 is just a brief mentioning of the the the threshold guardian of um nivel hell or the hell hound

00:25:43.520 Um, and that's most likely where the hell hound, um, you know, mythos comes from. It's a, you know, linking memory back to, um, the old religion before Christianity.

00:25:58.740 um so he rode nifhell deep and the hound he met that came from hell three he says bloody was he

00:26:10.060 was on his breast before at the father of magic he howled from afar forward rode odin the earth

00:26:20.100 resounded till the house so high of hell he reached so he is blaring through the realms

00:26:29.860 on the slipping horse um as it transfers through and he he comes upon garm whose chest is uh

00:26:41.060 drenched with blood and that blood is from the dead who walk beneath him he is quite literally

00:26:47.620 the the gate at nipa's cave um and that's the the assurance that certain spirits once they pass him

00:26:56.740 they don't return and nothing gets in of course you are riding slipner um so i want to pause for

00:27:09.060 a sec because i want to acknowledge a couple of things before you get forward this is a really

00:27:13.140 say it's really short but if you notice the point of it isn't just narrative

00:27:21.620 it's to be a pleasing you know cool piece of poetry and it is the imagery is really striking

00:27:28.260 it's very powerful um and i wanted to point out a little bit about etymology because stuff that

00:27:35.940 that we talk about and i think this is an interesting point the word god

00:27:43.540 it's kind of germanic but it's also kind of greek it's kind of indo-european and it goes back to the

00:27:48.420 very earliest days of our connectivity it's it's zero parts semitic but it's it goes back to um

00:27:57.940 and again when they go in the proto-indo-european there's a lot of funny notations over letters and

00:28:05.860 stuff that i'm not going to pretend i get right the well actually is on this please let me know

00:28:10.020 because i you know more about it than i do as far as the pronunciation but uh from

00:28:17.940 goo which goes to gutos but you is the act of to pour or to to libate to offer a liquid offering

00:28:29.620 with mead or wine or beer or whatever that might be so i know that there is a lot of emphasis on

00:28:39.220 animal sacrifice and things in the elder period even human sacrifice but it's interesting to see

00:28:45.700 that the oldest form of worshiping and the more that some of you may be aware of this

00:28:52.260 swan and myself and the astro folk assembly in general certainly the gothar are on a journey to

00:28:59.140 educate ourselves on old norse it is a challenge we are working through it nowhere near close to

00:29:06.980 getting it perfect but we're making progress and when it feels like man never gonna get this is

00:29:14.180 too hard it's crazy i'm not getting it at all i'm surprised at how much stuff does sink in

00:29:19.700 so it's really interesting on this looking at the word bloat and its etymology always thought

00:29:25.380 it meant blood it doesn't it's actually from a different root and the oldest um records of this

00:29:33.620 the more we learn is like i mentioned that idea of pouring and libating and the idea of pouring

00:29:38.660 out an offering to a deity goes back to the proto-indo-european like original arian times

00:29:47.380 before we've separated out before the people that you think of as germanic or greek or latin or

00:29:54.100 celtic or slavic back when we were all together that was our how we offered and there may well

00:30:01.620 have been animal sacrifices and other sacrifices as well i'm not diminishing those in any way

00:30:06.740 but one thing that early practitioners of also true uh of modern house true would lament was

00:30:13.940 like they would try to justify their use of meat offerings is like well not really offering you

00:30:19.940 know animals or you know cat war captives it's the best we got we'll pretend it's good enough

00:30:27.380 and try to make a way to justify it or make it good enough but the more we learn and they didn't

00:30:34.020 have access to the information we have access to now the offering of a libation is the oldest

00:30:42.100 and the root word of what a god is to our people since the very dawn of of linguistics so i think

00:30:51.140 that's really informative and useful also um a heathen man over on the side

00:30:59.140 conversation may have progressed since the last thing i saw i don't know anyways

00:31:02.900 he mentioned that he was wearing his hammer at work the other day and somebody else was as well

00:31:08.020 and they came at him and they were super excited about talking about the norena society and this

00:31:11.940 and that and he knows you know how we feel on them and that's true we come by all of those things

00:31:18.340 honestly but i don't think that all of those people are bad actors or terrible humans i think

00:31:24.980 some of them don't get it i think mark perrier is a great human he's a really you know nice guy he's

00:31:32.100 always been very friendly i think he's fantastic as a person and uh yeah so that doesn't need to be

00:31:40.980 if we give the feeling that there's undue animosity there i don't mean it that way if

00:31:46.580 that's how i'm coming off i am passionate about it because i don't think they approach

00:31:53.460 aussitrue correctly but i think that they're closer to people that have no interest in

00:31:58.980 aussitrue whatsoever and i think that their interest in it might well lead them to us

00:32:07.140 which i think is the correct way to do aussitrue or or you know the most correct way we have

00:32:13.140 and it has in the past led a lot of people here so i think that's great that you ran into somebody who

00:32:19.540 is about this and i don't know if they are wearing the hammer because they are interested

00:32:24.500 in an oriental society or if they're actively you know worshiping our ancestral gods that's

00:32:30.660 fantastic if they are and uh yeah that's that's really cool um yeah if he's again i'm not following

00:32:42.020 all the conversations so i could be missing something over in the chat uh but yeah if yeah

00:32:47.700 if if it's interesting to him you know it'd be awesome if he was encouraged to listen to the

00:32:52.740 program either way that's fantastic and those kind of things happen more and more often when you wear

00:32:58.500 your uh when you wear your hammer out and openly um at the places where you find yourself at your

00:33:06.020 job if that's cool where you work if religious expression of all people is first if you if you

00:33:13.620 don't because of whatever reason you have that's your life to figure out if you live in a place

00:33:19.300 uh of work where nobody expresses their religion because that's not appropriate there

00:33:24.660 you know that's fine but there's a lot of people see opportunities where they can't wear it or

00:33:29.540 shouldn't wear it instead of all the opportunities where they should wear it to the gym wear it to

00:33:34.500 the store wear it to you know your kids baseball game wear it to whatever you go and you do

00:33:42.180 and these situations occur often and that's kind of neat i've been uh with our founder

00:33:49.140 steve mcnall in times that we've traveled together or shared flights or or whatever

00:33:54.100 i'm always surprised when he and i are out anywhere um he is much better at this than i am

00:34:01.780 he is a much more outgoing just naturally effervescent person when you meet somebody

00:34:07.780 so he is very approachable and he has a lot of really good conversations when people notice his

00:34:12.500 hammer i have some but i kind of i think look grumpy a lot of the times and sometimes folks

00:34:21.060 don't necessarily approach me with that but i find that a lot of people do at like checkout lines

00:34:27.300 or you know counters where i'm paying with something it kind of forces a one-on-one and

00:34:31.380 they notice and that's a really neat thing and it's something that happens a lot now that didn't

00:34:36.260 didn't used to happen but yeah i diverged no i wanted to say a little bit too uh i think that

00:34:46.340 um a lot of the folks at the norena society are good folk and i i do believe that the the you

00:34:53.460 know they're honoring the gods but our biggest issue is like ecclesiastical um misinterpretation

00:35:03.860 on their part and some of the changing of the lore is what we really focus on um and that could

00:35:10.660 be an interesting topic for you guys to discuss um there you know the the books that they have

00:35:17.940 kind of pumped out in a way um are you know impressive in the sense that they are pumped out

00:35:26.180 but again there are some issues that we personally have with the way that they're structuring things

00:35:33.220 and changing things and their interpretations of things um and you know i even in the beginning of

00:35:40.020 one of uh his books um purrier even says you know it is up to us to to go forward and um set

00:35:49.780 the the formulation instead of having outsiders do it and um you know we have been doing that um

00:35:58.740 it just became kind of like a secondary and then you know when you start to look at it it's like

00:36:04.980 there's things you know uh problematic when that you know they're switching all of the

00:36:10.180 the wells to hell guard and that the gods go into the underworld uh like in a jaunt um all based off

00:36:18.100 of i think a a mr misinterpreted all right so put a pin on that well i i suppose that's wrong let's

00:36:25.300 pause for a second on that because that is a point that does come right back to the story

00:36:30.580 in i believe if i understand correctly in their conception of things the gods are like daily

00:36:41.680 traveling to hellheim to have their councils and to meet out the doom of men and

00:36:49.080 one reason that we don't agree there's a variety of reasons but one reason

00:36:55.600 is as you can see in the lore or specifically in this poem it's kind of a big deal like the gods

00:37:03.680 have met they meet in ausgard to take counsel and to talk and to do things they meet in either

00:37:11.000 of old um there's places that they meet in the heavenly realm frequently to discuss stuff when

00:37:19.080 this topic comes up and action needs to happen odin gets on his horse and has to go on this

00:37:27.480 arduous journey and pass through obstacles and like deal with garm and getting around him and

00:37:37.160 and you know this bloody breasted guardian of hell that doesn't let you in um

00:37:43.160 um we also have the other hell ride where you know you have to jump over the massive wall it's

00:37:51.080 like it's fortified and it's not a easily permeable membrane if as it were you can't just

00:37:58.580 go hang out in hell today it's a it's a much more challenging thing and that's part of why we think

00:38:04.700 that but the other thing that I want to say just kind of I don't want this to devolve into a 0.52

00:38:09.080 complaint about the norena society because i think that's more negative than we mean it to

00:38:14.680 be when i think that a lot of people are perhaps well say perhaps i think a bunch of people find

00:38:19.800 themselves they're very well intentioned i think there's some people that have stayed there for a

00:38:23.640 long time that were not necessarily well intentioned and i think they have a way of

00:38:29.640 casting a bad shadow on some of the others mark in specific i think he's a really you know good

00:38:34.280 guy that means really well um and i have always and still do invite mark purrier to join the house

00:38:43.480 true folk assembly we would love to have you be part of what we're doing we would love to do this

00:38:48.360 together um we can't in the current setup but if you ever decide that you want to mark purrier

00:38:56.840 you're welcome to join us um and i also want to say this that one of the big things if you're

00:39:02.040 talking to your friend and it comes up besides all of the specifics and whatever else

00:39:06.600 i think if i could narrow it down to the biggest issue is

00:39:14.920 an approach based on understanding our gods or our religion through

00:39:22.520 scholastic anthropology and like literary anthropology if that's even a word if it's

00:39:33.320 not i'm sure there may be a better a better word than that um whereas our approach is one of

00:39:43.880 building a relationship with our gods and trying to understand the lore through a lens of

00:39:49.800 of sincere devotional belief in our gods.

00:39:54.700 And I think that the directionality of those two things

00:39:58.320 lead to very different results sometimes.

00:40:00.820 I think that's where that is.

00:40:03.980 But Svahn, if you would like to take us back in

00:40:06.780 and maybe we'll pause when we turn the page,

00:40:08.640 let's pause after a stanza five.

00:40:12.920 In retrospect, I should have waited

00:40:14.620 until at the end of stanza five.

00:40:16.880 Well, so here, Lord Odin, you know, he, I love the forward road, Odin, the earth resounded

00:40:25.640 till the house so high of hell he reached. So he finally, he goes and descends into one

00:40:33.880 of the, there are two primordial realms before the tripartite that fills up Ganungagap. And

00:40:42.720 And that is Muspelheim and Nivelheim.

00:40:46.580 So he goes to Nivelheim and in Nivelheim, he finds the great, you know, high castle

00:40:56.700 of, um, of hell, the, um, the, the one he placed as the arbiter or adjudicator, excuse

00:41:07.820 me, of the ancestral lines and where they will go.

00:41:11.960 their, um, access to, uh, Vergelmer, the, the, the well. Um, so then rode Odin, this is stanza four,

00:41:24.640 then rode, then Odin rode to the Eastern door. There he knew well was the wise woman's grave.

00:41:34.640 magic he spoke and mighty charms till spellbound she rose in death she spoke

00:41:43.540 so here now you know lord olden is is really reaching into his uh the mythos of of his

00:41:54.460 power and he wrenches this spirit out and they don't really go into is this spirit

00:42:03.600 from uh say a human though there's more of a lending to believe that she is an elder being

00:42:10.700 like a jotun of some sort um and not a human and that's based off of some other things she

00:42:18.640 has said like in the volaspau um but she's also not within the confines in essence she's

00:42:30.100 outside the eastern gate um and i don't know perhaps if the east part has a kind of more

00:42:37.940 of a referencing to her being a jordan since the that direction was uh kind of associated with them

00:42:45.780 um but he speaks and brings her out and she rises um in this semi-state between um

00:42:59.460 existence and and non-existence um and again this is part of the poetics of the situation is

00:43:08.820 there it's not going to be just a kind of one for one there there is going to be a chance

00:43:14.180 or a point in which she doesn't know who this is that's doing these great uh amounts of magic and

00:43:24.420 And that's, again, to build up the suspense and eventually, at the end, the great reveal.

00:43:31.540 And this is a common system that is done with Lord Odin because he is, again, the lord of ecstatic consciousness.

00:43:42.540 And you don't gain that by just being able to, you know, trounce right in.

00:43:47.400 and so she says what is the man to me unknown that has made me travel the troublesome road

00:43:58.440 i was snowed on with snow and smitten with rain and drenched with dew long was i dead

00:44:06.760 so she says that she's endured the weather in her resting place and now she's been wrenched from it

00:44:12.840 and again that's just such a awesome kind of telling the way that it's written um very very

00:44:24.380 powerful and uh i we're turning over on that number five i don't know if you wanted to break from

00:44:34.300 Yeah, I think that's really cool imagery. Also, GW Farnsworth donating all the time. We appreciate

00:44:46.700 you. Five coffees is $25. Thank you very much for that. And Jake from Fresno bought us three

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00:45:30.440 yeah i think that's that's what i have is acknowledging those other than the poem is

00:45:37.640 really cool the imagery is cool it continues to be that way throughout the rest of the poem and i

00:45:45.080 think that we see elements of this poem in you know a number of other places in uh

00:45:54.760 in our lore and that's good i think the more times we go over different things in different

00:46:01.400 ways or from different angles more it internalizes it but this is some of the most um poignant

00:46:09.120 imagery and i really like that a lot that's how i got on it from right now yeah uh well

00:46:16.820 and it kind of segues in this spot because the the question um and the answer uh and

00:46:26.900 the poem says oden kvav oden oden speaks um in six he says vay tam my name i am volt tom's son

00:46:40.020 speak thou of hell for of heaven i know for whom are the benches bright with rings and the platforms

00:46:52.000 gay bedecked with gold so he states himself as the wanderer they temp and it's odd that he goes 0.78

00:47:01.480 even further to say that he is the son of the warrior or the fighter um perhaps again to drive 0.92

00:47:08.880 home credential legitimacy. Um, or again, this could be a gleaning sense of, um, really the,

00:47:21.580 the understanding of bore the first house that, you know, raises up the heavenly realm,

00:47:30.880 his name being the bearer um but he simply asks there's a celebration going on and uh you know

00:47:42.380 there's a raucous uh sound coming from uh within the gates of hell uh what are they what are they

00:47:51.260 preparing to celebrate and the wise woman speaks here for balder the mead is brewed

00:48:00.440 So she says that the brewing that is taking place for the feast is being held in a brewer's vat,

00:48:22.120 and it has a shield over top of it, because it's in that state of being prepared,

00:48:28.440 and uh that there is a great loss from the gods and then she says i'm unwilling to speak anymore

00:48:36.520 and i would like or i will lay now and you'll see these two parts the speaking of i i'm not

00:48:47.780 wanting to speak and then the forcing by lord othen which again is showing a presence of will

00:48:57.140 versus perhaps a fate itself.

00:49:01.200 And so there's this fate versus will dichotomy

00:49:04.960 that's going on in the story.

00:49:06.680 And it happens quite often.

00:49:09.220 One of the things that's a odinic, 0.88

00:49:13.300 hate to put it this way, that's an odinic power. 0.98

00:49:17.420 One of the magics that the Allfather is adept in 1.00

00:49:21.280 is necromancy in the sense of being able 0.68

00:49:24.860 to compel the dead to speak.

00:49:27.140 um i believe that the tear rune is the rune that corresponds to that in his rune songs

00:49:38.500 that he knows one that a hangman will come down from the noose down from the gallows and be able

00:49:43.060 to speak and he can ask him things so being able to consult with the dead by you know means of

00:49:50.100 compelling them to do so is one of odin's uh one of odin's abilities that he has

00:49:57.780 yeah the uh the essence of what it would have an effect on the audience too is something that i

00:50:04.900 think that when we're reading stories we should consider that why is is the necromancy or the um

00:50:13.300 you know the the death speech um and how it would it would impact the audience this is

00:50:21.860 deep mysterious things that um lord odin is so intimately connected with

00:50:30.740 that um it's just a spooky i also think that svan needs to do funny voices

00:50:36.740 whenever he's reading anybody's character like quotations that needs to be a thing from here on

00:50:43.300 Well, and sometimes when I read, so I don't read Baldur's drama, this is kind of paralleling the story of the death of Baldur, and it sometimes is added in whenever I, you know, I'll read a story about it.

00:51:02.500 Um, and yeah, I always have to voice the, uh, the Lord Othen and this kind of decrepit being, um, who has been around and has seen nine trees before Yggdrasil, which is a very interesting point.

00:51:20.420 That's not mentioned in this poem, but that she has, she goes so far back and he is able to willfully pull her out of the seams of creation.

00:51:33.460 So, no, one thing I just wanted to mention, especially tonight, we got a short poem.

00:51:41.500 Um, so those of you who have been listening to our entire series on, um, the Eddas so far

00:51:54.640 may obviously pick up on this. Um, poetry and storytelling are such an essential element

00:52:04.960 of our ancestors also true practice. And I think they're practice of a lot of things.

00:52:12.220 and it's something that has largely gone by the wayside today we're used to reading for utility

00:52:19.100 or speed reading we don't have a lot of

00:52:24.460 poetic expression that's not explicitly musical i think we still have that in society and song

00:52:31.500 um and we have that in in religious song just not necessarily also true related but

00:52:39.980 the idea of poetry and dramatic storytelling is i mean for thousands of years was fundamental to

00:52:52.540 our ancestors and would be i don't know would be cool to start seeing some of that re-emerge

00:53:05.100 within our culture and it's one of those things that i would love to see some of that but i can't

00:53:09.740 just will that to happen um that's not my particular skill set but it's neat if some

00:53:16.540 of that were to develop what it is kind of interesting on and i'd encourage everybody

00:53:21.340 to listen if you have a chance uh swain bjorn vientensen uh the the founder of the

00:53:27.500 Austertrur Felgeg in Iceland. I hope I got the, I hope I pronounced that correctly.

00:53:35.740 He was very into that. That was a big part of his participation and approach to Austertrur

00:53:42.940 was through dramatic storytelling, classical Icelandic poetry, and Reamer, which I joked

00:53:49.260 with Svan about earlier. There are recordings of his doing different pieces, different pieces of

00:53:55.580 our lore in uh reamer and i would encourage all you guys out there to give that a listen

00:54:02.620 it's really cool if you can follow along with the actual bits of the etta that he's doing which you

00:54:08.700 can on this website that we're currently looking on if you go to the right poetry on it i think

00:54:13.980 that's really informative but just having it on and listening to the sound of the words and the

00:54:18.460 cadence and hearing the voice of one of our exalted holy heroes i think is beneficial too

00:54:28.380 so i would encourage folks to consume that if you can and uh nick might be so kind as to put up a

00:54:36.620 couple of links at some point but yeah i just figured i'd interject that because it's such an

00:54:42.540 important part of what we're going over yeah i think a lot of people don't realize that we do

00:54:49.100 honor uh swain bjorn um some folks might not know that uh but yeah because of his um

00:55:00.460 you know his connection and movements towards um uh re-emerging the gods to the folk

00:55:09.420 unfortunately i think it kind of slipped out of his hands but we're doing research right now where

00:55:14.540 apparently um there were two folks one that i met personally uh yorman grinky he took um

00:55:23.660 the also through failure in a different direction i think more uh in the sense of like globalist

00:55:29.660 politics or perhaps of that sense. But there was another who both of them looked towards for

00:55:40.540 counseling, and he created his own folkish group in Iceland. And we're just currently delving.

00:55:50.380 He was one of the founding fathers of the Astur-Feleget with Sveinbjorn. But we honor

00:55:59.020 sveinbjorn on uh july the fourth is his day of remembrance and uh yeah pious man a well well

00:56:07.740 intentioned uh devoted son of the isir and as i mentioned politics politics are

00:56:21.100 circumstantial they address the needs of a place of a time of a situation

00:56:27.980 um piety religion values don't those things can be applied in different ways to different

00:56:37.420 circumstances but with a with a common common direction a common orientation and it's one of

00:56:46.540 those things i think that uh it's easy certainly the ice uh the austrofelligeth in iceland now is

00:56:57.100 um and I I would say this again I don't address this I made the distinction between religion

00:57:05.560 and politics they have made their religion very overtly political in a very leftist way and they've

00:57:13.120 made it very non-religious um at present their current leadership is atheist does not genuinely

00:57:22.000 believe in in the isir not as gods maybe as concepts or as whatever they conceive them as

00:57:28.960 um i don't know how much that speaks for their uh their members it's hard to tell

00:57:36.000 um but they've become very left-wing activists the original founding generation of that was

00:57:43.900 was very folkish in a traditional way uh but i think it's really easy to judge maybe some

00:57:52.140 statements and some views expressed in iceland when they are completely homogeneous society

00:58:00.300 for almost all of their existence including you know very much so today when we're looking at it

00:58:09.100 from a modern american point of view where it's you know a very multicultural society that's very

00:58:16.300 much a melting pot of lots of different groups of people so i think that the perspective and

00:58:23.340 the emphasis on certain things expresses itself really differently sometimes things are an

00:58:29.020 activist issue that needs dealing with whereas other times things are just the assumed norm and

00:58:34.780 don't even need to be spoken on so it's just something to think about and to try to judge

00:58:40.940 people in a different place at a different time by their standards and not just knee-jerk reacting

00:58:49.100 to them by the standards we deal with or the situation we find ourselves in

00:58:55.180 the um the other thing that's worth just about the poem itself too that i was just thinking about

00:59:07.180 was uh the titling of of vay tam versus olden olden is a title as well the the arian gods

00:59:17.900 are gods and

00:59:19.940 we title them

00:59:21.840 in ways that we can better

00:59:23.820 understand their mysteries

00:59:25.220 Ovin, again 0.99

00:59:27.500 is the

00:59:28.900 wielder or the master

00:59:31.780 of

00:59:33.140 ecstatic frenzy and

00:59:35.740 inspiration

00:59:36.540 and I think that all too

00:59:39.940 often, you know, it's not

00:59:41.120 seen as much

00:59:44.160 with the

00:59:46.080 gods that are very

00:59:47.680 you know uh popular or um you know leaned upon at a great amount but you know when we look at like

00:59:56.260 for seti and the setting forth the law um it becomes pretty you know self-evident um and of

01:00:05.440 course too you know uh balder the bold one so understanding these titles uh by the time that

01:00:14.880 they were being spoken in Old Norse, these were the commonality titles that had become

01:00:21.540 synonymous with the power of a name, but they are still titles.

01:00:27.900 And all names originate in that way. That's the thing. Babies don't come into the world with a

01:00:35.820 name tag. Their parents decide upon something to call them for a variety of reasons. When you

01:00:43.920 encounter something or someone new that doesn't communicate to you verbally in that way

01:00:50.680 you put you place a title on it based upon your relationship with it how you know it

01:01:00.720 what it does you do that with the names of people of races of people you encounter it's interesting

01:01:06.200 the naming of different cultures by, you know, an outside group looking out, you know, we would

01:01:14.960 name the different people we interacted with different things, just as they would name us

01:01:19.980 different things based on how they saw us. It's one of the reasons, I told you we were going to

01:01:25.560 do this tonight, that we're going to break this up with these little rabbit trails, but I think

01:01:28.560 they're important. It's one reason that I think it's really important that we define ourselves

01:01:35.920 as Aryan because that was what our people called ourselves to celebrate who we are in our identity.

01:01:45.360 I think it's important that we call what we do Ausitru because that's what our people decided

01:01:51.560 to call our relationship with our gods. We're very used to encountering that from other cultures and

01:01:59.520 how they see us and they apply different names like pagan or heathen or those things that is

01:02:08.880 a different group of people or a different faith describing us from the outside looking in whereas

01:02:17.160 we are identifying and describing ourselves as also true and I think that those things are very

01:02:22.720 important but it's one of the reasons that in a in a pan-arian view our gods are known by different

01:02:32.480 names different stories different relationships in different places because their relationship

01:02:38.000 with people is developed differently over time in different locations um if you live in an entirely

01:02:45.040 landlocked area a god's focus on on coastal waters isn't has no meaning to you so that god's value

01:02:57.280 and meaning and expression is very different if you live in a place that's very cold or a place

01:03:02.320 that's very warm a place that's forested or a place that's you know rolling steps all of these things

01:03:08.720 mean that over time your relationships with the gods take you know slightly different forms and

01:03:14.080 And I think that's, we see that linguistically expressed.

01:03:19.580 Other thing I wanted to point out, Jormundur Inge,

01:03:24.100 all of the Auschru Folk Assembly's Gothar for forever,

01:03:30.020 all come from the Gothic lineage

01:03:33.260 of our founder, Steven Mnallin,

01:03:35.600 except Thorgren who passed away recently.

01:03:38.920 As an interesting side note,

01:03:41.760 thorgren gained his ordination and became a gothi before the austro folk assembly

01:03:48.240 was ordaining gothar there was a window in the austro free assembly back in the 1980s

01:03:54.320 late 70s and 1980s where they were ordaining gothar and our founder stephen mcnowlin ordained some

01:04:01.120 people um in since 1995 when the house true folk assembly was founded there was a period there that

01:04:14.560 it took you know kind of building developing figuring out what was what and where we were

01:04:19.280 going to where there wasn't the ordination of new gothar for a time but uh like i said

01:04:27.360 go to uh thorgan odin who just passed away recently

01:04:36.720 sorry i gotta sort my spreadsheet different here

01:04:40.400 I apologize, guys.

01:04:53.360 No, this is an interesting factoid, and I'm going to get at it here.

01:04:56.540 I'm a little bit clunky with my playing with technology here.

01:05:03.160 Yeah, back in 1996, so that would be in June of 96,

01:05:09.120 about a year and a half into the fledgling house to folk assembly before we had started

01:05:15.360 um ordaining gothar at an event called the gathering of the gothar in arizona

01:05:22.080 yorminder ingi was there and he is the one who ordained uh gothi thorburn so

01:05:28.860 there you go uh carry on

01:05:34.560 um so she says um you know i don't wish to speak i want to lay and then he says no you need to tell

01:05:48.480 me and in in uh stanza eight he says wise woman cease not i seek from thee all to know that i

01:05:58.080 fane would ask. So all of the, all of the, the, the arduous travel, the feigning is, is not for

01:06:11.020 naught. He's not just doing it simply for himself, but for others. Who shall the bane of Balder

01:06:21.860 become, and steal the life of Othyn's son. The wise woman replies, Hoth thither bears 0.95

01:06:34.900 the far-famed branch, the mistletoe. He shall the bane of Balder become, and steal the life 0.98

01:06:43.840 from odin's son unwilling i spake and now would be still so she names 0.87

01:06:55.120 the the majority of the of the of the compromising of the of the life of balder so

01:07:04.200 he she's stating that it it is a this would be almost kind of like a if nobody had ever heard

01:07:13.440 this to our ancestors, but knew the dichotomy of these, of Baldr and Hothr, or as it's written

01:07:23.220 here as Hoth, is that they are brothers. So that would have been kind of a, ooh, moment

01:07:30.660 to be spoken of. And that's kind of the mic drop, kind of, or I don't know, the scratching

01:07:38.200 of the record um in the poem where it's not mentioned about exactly yet how how loki plays

01:07:47.080 into all of this but no a brother shall slay another brother um and the far-famed branch um

01:07:57.160 again the the usage of mistletoe particularly in aussitrew and coming up soon in yule um

01:08:04.360 mistletoe, you know, being seen as a sacred plant that we show no hostility before it

01:08:14.680 in remembrance to the fact that it was innocent in the machinations of the entire thing.

01:08:24.240 So it's generally seen as a plant of goodwill.

01:08:28.220 um and odin speaks because she says i want to i want to lay down i'm i'm i'm unwilling and he

01:08:36.520 says no in 10 wise woman cease not i seek from thee all to know that i fain would ask 0.60

01:08:44.100 who shall vengeance win for the evil work or bring to the flames the slayer of balder

01:08:52.240 and that's now we're getting into some um interesting points here a lot of folks might

01:09:02.040 not know it the astro uh folk assembly has um definitely covered some of this um a lot of

01:09:09.740 folks might not realize who were what is about to be mentioned is one of the aust veneer the

01:09:16.620 mother of one of the gods, and is aligned with the gods. The wise woman speaks in 11,

01:09:24.060 Rind bears Vali in Vestsalir, and one night old fights Odin's son, his hands he shall wash not,

01:09:35.840 his hair he shall comb not, till the slayer of Balder he brings to the flames,

01:09:41.620 unwilling I spake and now would be still. So in this essence, we have kin slaying being brought 0.99

01:09:53.460 to rest by kin. And this is an interesting thing. In essence, kin slaying is bad. But when

01:10:05.700 the slayer is brought to to rest it doesn't have to be from someone outside of the family

01:10:14.120 and that is what happens here so the ausvenir is rinder and she is you know lives amongst the gods

01:10:23.580 she is of um the uh the holy beloved ones the ausvenir and she is the mother of vali through

01:10:33.920 lord odin as he is the he is the uh progenitor and he is the lord of vengeance and in particular

01:10:42.460 he is the one who keeps balance in immediacy so the fact that he's you know he washes his hair

01:10:50.460 and his his hair he shall not comb uh he's only one night old and he enacts this vengeance um

01:10:59.400 the idea of this really is emphasis on swiftness not necessarily on the idea of like a baby you

01:11:07.880 know flipping out um so a baby did not draw these pictures some ancient icelander thought this was

01:11:17.200 good artwork in this manuscript and it's not a lot of these pictures are comically not great um

01:11:26.480 this imagery i think i have always thought is very very powerful we have very little

01:11:37.040 source material for the holy god value the what we have his glory is

01:11:49.220 encapsulated in a very few lines and in imagery and concept that's what we have to build from

01:12:01.460 the image of him one day old still

01:12:08.560 like

01:12:10.920 dripping with

01:12:13.620 gore of birth

01:12:15.340 not

01:12:16.940 washing himself or cleaning

01:12:19.620 the afterbirth off

01:12:21.660 of himself until he

01:12:23.380 accomplishes the vengeance that he sought

01:12:25.720 to

01:12:26.000 that he's purposed to do

01:12:29.080 has always been such

01:12:31.680 a visceral image

01:12:33.740 for me

01:12:34.900 um and in a strange way like even more so after um after the birth of my daughter um

01:12:45.100 she was born by c-section and

01:12:49.240 I tease her and I tease Mandy about talking when she was you know

01:12:55.900 dripping with gore ripped from her mother's viscera

01:13:01.120 uh just to get the imagery there but I still have these pictures in my phone of of that

01:13:08.800 of her first coming into the world and you know those of us who are parents who've been there for

01:13:13.000 the birth of our children they're

01:13:19.540 there there is a goriness to their appearance at the time and you wash that off and you clean

01:13:26.980 up and you bring them you welcome them into the world of humanity into the world of you know

01:13:31.300 clean yourself off be one of the people be part of things he forgoes that until he's accomplished

01:13:38.260 his mission he's like absolutely nothing else this comes first this gets done then we can

01:13:44.660 worry about everything else but the immediacy of that image being born while still covered in in

01:13:58.180 that initial state going out and and slaying who he needs to to get vengeance and then being able

01:14:09.220 to clean up and go about his business the purposefulness of that the uh just the

01:14:17.220 immediate duty response to that is really informative and i harp on it a lot because

01:14:24.820 like i said it's one of the only things we have to understand and to build our relationship with

01:14:31.460 lord valley from i think it can't be overstated and it's very very powerful in that way

01:14:39.220 And I think that when he has his off, his mural might be off-putting. We'll see.

01:14:49.220 Well, and I mean, it gets even more so. I really do believe that Vaoli is one of the

01:14:58.220 of the most terrifying um outs that um resides in the heavenly realm it's it's scary to think

01:15:10.460 about because again and some people who are uh of lore might uh this might tinge something real

01:15:19.340 quick but it's he later becomes a wolf and slays loki's son and i know that there's a lot of

01:15:26.140 confusion but another interesting lore tidbit uh for the for the outsider folk assembly is that um

01:15:35.500 there a lot of um misinterpretations in there about loki having two sons and one is turned to

01:15:43.020 do a wolf to kill the other but that that interpretation lends more to the possibility

01:15:51.660 that it was vowly himself who shape changes into a wolf and kills loki's only son and so that that's

01:16:00.620 a um an interesting you know rabbit hole to go and look into but it is loki's son uh

01:16:10.780 Uh, yeah, I mean, or I mean of, of Sigyn and of the, of the heavenly nature, Sigyn also being an

01:16:22.120 as opposed to, you know, Jotun horse. Um, but the, um, the idea that the, once the kinslaying was

01:16:35.720 done and it was just you're not supposed to do it and then after which kind of it's on the on the

01:16:45.340 table and the vengeance lord comes immediately after you and then you know turns into a a wolf

01:16:54.480 and if we're like how many days after his birth did this happen i mean we're not this is mythos

01:17:01.520 not logos it's uh it's about the fact that even being so young he turns into a wolf

01:17:09.720 shape changes to to uh enact vengeance on loki it's literally and mythically he hits the ground

01:17:16.820 running right there's not a there's not a stop there's not a cool like there's different kinds

01:17:24.080 of vengeance there's count of monte cristo like long game vengeance and then there's immediate

01:17:32.640 like this has got to get fixed now and those are two really interesting and different expressions

01:17:40.660 of writing um writing wrongs and i think conceptually we've with the foreign creed

01:17:50.500 christianity we've really given vengeance a bad rap it's a you know a trope in movies or whatever

01:17:58.820 like no it's not about vengeance about justice those things meant the same thing to our ancestors

01:18:06.660 that was how justice that was how the scales were balanced was by fixing the

01:18:14.500 disruption caused by wrongdoing um

01:18:20.740 something worth you know contemplating here too is

01:18:28.500 our people have a tendency to be

01:18:35.460 obsessively rigid with a word or a phrase and not with the rightness of a concept

01:18:43.220 yes kinslaying is bad it's not that you can never ever slay a family member

01:18:51.380 it's that doing that in and of itself is extremely damaging and is a horrible thing

01:19:00.740 what's interesting here is yeah but they kept the vengeance of it within the family um

01:19:09.460 of policing their own and that's preferable to having an outsider come in and have to police

01:19:17.460 your own family's you know metastasization into something vile um there are times where there is

01:19:28.400 conflict that other things you know it's the best of a lot of really bad options but it's the source

01:19:37.640 of a lot of drama in our lore because it is such a a negative circumstance very often in life we're

01:19:45.800 presented with multiple bad options and choosing the best from them. But this is an instance where

01:19:55.500 these things are put into context. Yes, slaying of kin is bad. But if one of your kinsmen slayed

01:20:02.580 another one of your, like, there's an impossible set of options. And sometimes you're left with

01:20:10.220 picking the best of bad circumstances. So I think it's important that we pay attention

01:20:15.880 to principle and to reason when we're applying some stuff. And I think it's worth mentioning

01:20:23.340 this. We have a question. We have a number of questions that we'll get to when we're done

01:20:26.760 with the story. And we're almost there. But Sarah asks, is there a modern day equivalent

01:20:32.900 of kin slaying and i feel the need to state the obvious but yes kin slaying like they're

01:20:42.260 and and i say that it's funny because of how the question is phrased but that exists

01:20:50.020 and the principle of kin slaying can be brought back to much smaller stakes no you don't act

01:20:58.820 against your kin and when there's a strife in a family over whatever it might be that is

01:21:08.260 kin slang writ small that's not the slaying of a kin but it's the violating of the

01:21:14.660 intimate frith of that a family shares and broken families due to that is a terrible curse that

01:21:24.100 again there's no you know there's no great answer you know we hear horrible stories in the news from

01:21:31.780 time to time about a son that has to kill his father because his father is horribly abusing

01:21:38.420 his mother or whatever there's no good answer in that circumstance there's just the best of

01:21:46.900 the options available and i think that's similar to some elements of this story in comparison

01:21:56.900 but when we have families that break the frith with one another in irreparable ways

01:22:07.140 it's

01:22:09.860 it's a similar phenomenon but a on a smaller scale but betraying you know betraying members of your

01:22:16.420 family is horrendous and it you know the ultimate expression of that obviously is kinslaying but um

01:22:28.100 sexual abuse within a family um those kind of things things that are permanently damaging

01:22:36.660 are on that same scale but you know not exactly slaying but that was one of the things and it's

01:22:46.260 one of the things that was interesting to me that was pointed out in culture of the teutons that i

01:22:49.780 found kind of profound when an outsider wrongs you you can rebalance the scale by taking from their

01:22:58.660 team by you know them compensating from their pile of resources to your pile of resources

01:23:08.820 but when you're in a family you share resources so if your brother takes something from you

01:23:16.260 and you know destroys that you extracting that from your brother makes like it may shift things

01:23:26.720 but it's in in a in a truly ausitru sense it's taking resources from your left pocket and putting

01:23:34.360 it in your right pocket the smallest unit in ausitru isn't the individual it's the family

01:23:41.060 And that's why it's such a vile and difficult circumstance, because strife amongst families has been common since the dawn of time.

01:23:56.140 Understanding the damage that causes generationally, I think, is reflected in the severity of the things we're talking about.

01:24:03.020 Another thing, too, as he is the instrument of vengeance or revenge for wrongdoing, and the Austvenir, Rindr, or Rind, as it is written, anglicized,

01:24:21.780 Um, she is, uh, like many of the Austvenir, beloved of the gods, she joins the gods, but is, um, of, of Jotun blood and comes from, um, the center world, uh, and is kind of elevated up.

01:24:39.920 and um she is the ausfineer or of of of ice and of the cold and of the uh you know the the

01:24:51.660 blasting wind and the crystallization um of the land and so you know uh it always made me think

01:24:59.780 of like i don't know where it came from or when it when it hit me but i was like yes it's kind of

01:25:05.480 of like, revenge is served cold.

01:25:09.920 Shakespeare.

01:25:11.340 Ah, thank you.

01:25:12.880 Yeah, and I, you know, and I was-

01:25:14.360 It's served cold.

01:25:16.040 Yeah.

01:25:18.660 But yeah, it just made me think of that immediately.

01:25:22.560 And Rinder is one of the, you know, very,

01:25:27.060 just really not well-known Austvenier

01:25:29.660 and the understanding of the Austvenier

01:25:34.660 near versus the our senior is um something that i think one day we you know we should definitely

01:25:39.940 talk about but um so uh the the slayer or she says you know that uh till the slayer of balder

01:25:54.100 he brings to the flames unwilling i spake and now would be still so this is that poetic repeat

01:26:01.300 and then it gives the first two lines for uh stanza 12 and Odin says wise woman cease not

01:26:09.100 I seek from thee all to know that I fain would ask

01:26:15.060 what maidens are they who then shall weep and toss to the sky the yards of the sail

01:26:25.300 um in here this is just kind of an open-ended question because it immediately shifts and this

01:26:36.120 is talking to or talking about the death ship of uh balder and the the the the sails the creation

01:26:48.540 of the sails um and you know who are they that um are going to uh weep now there's not a lot um

01:27:01.660 known on this there this is not known if they're if this is referring to another

01:27:07.020 part of the story because we do have the story of balder's funeral and um some people have

01:27:12.780 have suggested that it's, it's, um, Ayer's daughters, though I would lend to believe that

01:27:19.260 it's actually connected more to Mjörðr's daughters, which again, very obscure and not

01:27:24.760 very well known about, um, but is only briefly mentioned here and there, um, when they, you

01:27:33.280 know, uh, weep as they, as they form the sails of the ship. Um, but it's this question

01:27:42.320 that suddenly because he for people that might not understand this the reason why it suddenly

01:27:50.480 shifts here is because lord odin has revealed that he has foresight because he knows that there

01:27:58.720 will be maidens that will weep while they stitch the uh sail of balder's ship and that's where he

01:28:09.380 in essence, the, the, the, the ruse slips. And that's when she, she immediately turns in 13 and

01:28:18.420 says, Vagtam thou art not, as erstwhile I thought, Othyn thou art the enchanter of old.

01:28:29.680 And then Othyn speaks, no wise woman art thou, nor wisdom hast of giants three, the mother art thou.

01:28:39.380 the wise woman speaks home ride oh then be ever proud for no one of men shall seek me more till

01:28:48.500 loki wanders loose from his bonds and to the last strife the destroyers come and that's

01:28:56.580 an interesting part there too because if we're looking at the stories in in series it is not

01:29:03.860 known that uh so lord othen comes down to speak to the vulva to find out if there's any way or to

01:29:14.340 what degree baldur is is going to die baldur is not dead yet but now lord othen has revealed that

01:29:21.700 he knows that there will be maidens that we that create his sails and then she in turn says that

01:29:28.980 he will be, uh, Loki will be loosened from his bonds. These are two events that have not taken

01:29:34.740 place yet. So this is like high, uh, forethought or, you know, uh, might in, in, in the, uh,

01:29:46.180 in their beings going against each other. Uh, it is referenced to that. Perhaps she is counsel.

01:29:52.820 she counsels Loki, but from, from the, uh, the verse itself, I mean, it could add to the fact

01:30:00.940 that, you know, she is against the gods and she is angry at Lord Odin for, you know, willfully

01:30:07.580 removing her, but it doesn't outright say that Loki is free from his bonds. And then he comes to,

01:30:15.520 um hellguard to gather those decrepit souls that had to to cross gill the river gill and the in

01:30:23.760 the river sleeve you know he gathers up those uh lost and broken souls that were never allowed to

01:30:30.800 um join with their ancestors and then he takes the ship and he sails up um you know it never says

01:30:39.040 anywhere that he seeks her counsel or that she is with him but um it's you know people have thought

01:30:45.040 about it but i i really don't think just based on lore it doesn't um stand but based on how

01:30:52.560 angry she is towards lord odin i can i i don't i'm gonna cut it just because it's relevant

01:30:59.440 it does say of giants three the mother art thou and then he and then she brings up loki

01:31:04.880 and he uh she only answers the questions really that loki could have told her i think it's under

01:31:12.240 boulder she's hanging out in hell or in nifl hell with with her daughter hell and she's the mother 0.97

01:31:21.280 i know technically urban genders hell and um finner are not giants but she's a giant so they're half 1.00

01:31:29.600 giant so i it could be anger boulder and i would explain why you know she doesn't like olden and

01:31:36.960 you know she's gonna root for loki well yeah uh the interesting thing is is giant is not the word

01:31:44.240 that's really used it's the word the word is thursa thursa um and a thursa is is of jotun

01:31:53.920 in descendancy but is de-evolved into a thing of of uh malice or of ill intent um

01:32:06.960 and, uh, I, I do think that's interesting. Um, the only thing is, is like, again, where is

01:32:14.060 Angra Boda, um, or, you know, in the sense she is slain, um, or if there's every, any references

01:32:24.040 to that, that's where I would, I would wonder on that one as well. She's hanging out in her

01:32:28.180 daughter's house and she just decides to trick Olden into thinking she's a wise woman.

01:32:32.600 right well she's risen from the from the ground you know he he speaks her out of the ground um

01:32:40.340 it's a long game she's just playing a plot i don't know well no and i i'm not saying that

01:32:47.060 there's no right answer there's no no and i'm not saying that that's that's not i'm not saying

01:32:53.220 that's not correct at all because again this would lend to anger both uh for those who don't

01:32:59.600 know and who are listening, this is the mother of Fenris Wolf, of Jormungandr, the world serpent,

01:33:08.480 and of course Hel. And those placements in the story have a significant effect. Hel, the least

01:33:18.360 threatening, is placed in dominion over death and the processes of the souls going through and

01:33:28.300 joining with the ancestors. But she is death itself, the terribleness of decay and illness

01:33:38.400 and all that that is. Jormungandr is in the middle, and he is threatening, but it's more

01:33:47.640 of a neutrality. So we have the least in the lowest place, the neutral kind of in the middle,

01:33:52.820 And then the absolute most dangerous walks right into heaven.

01:33:59.120 And there's a lot of analogous wisdom in that.

01:34:02.900 The idea of it is just inviting the dangers of that.

01:34:07.700 So I'm not saying that.

01:34:08.700 I think that that has great possibility there as well.

01:34:12.340 And I need to, it's immediately making me want to go and look at where she speaks about how she was living in a cave and watch the nine trees before this tree referencing Yggdrasil.

01:34:29.820 so that's an interesting um you know the the the mother of all um foul uh you know hexa or you know

01:34:43.100 um sorceresses if you will um but she tells him go ride home and and uh until loki wanders loose

01:34:53.420 from his bonds that's the big one um and to the last strife the destroyers come and um

01:35:05.180 that ends the poem um again really powerful even too when you consider the fact that a lot of it

01:35:12.780 is repetitive intro outros um it still packs a punch it's it's concentrated um

01:35:21.900 um and i you know just i i was reading it earlier um and i was like oh yeah this is

01:35:29.980 this i were jogging my memory again and it was just like oh this is so good

01:35:34.140 um but yes and it's also it's worth noting too that i mean another thing that we do that i don't

01:35:44.400 think a lot of folks in maybe older Ausatru or what have you is the piety and devotion towards

01:35:56.700 Lord Balder. You don't generally find a lot of people who claim to be devoted to the gods giving

01:36:07.240 devotion to lord balder and if you go to balder soft um there is a uh the mural there and um

01:36:16.840 there is a key conduit between the the devotion the piety the strength that we give is is in

01:36:24.600 essence filling the horn that balder drinks from so that when he returns he is filled with that

01:36:32.440 So that was done on purpose, on the horn, is piety and strength and devotion, again, for the essence of the return.

01:36:49.500 So the gods don't die.

01:36:53.020 They shift into other levels or with significance.

01:37:00.360 um again lord balder goes into the realm of the dead and he goes in to the place farthest away

01:37:08.360 from the creation of time and farthest away from the gods but this gives him an advantage

01:37:15.800 uh based on you know the ending in ragnarok and allows him to return and many people speculate

01:37:23.960 that perhaps lord odin saw all of that as part of the totality of the nations um i mean i would

01:37:31.880 i would definitely think um you know it's lord odin i'm not saying that you can or can't do

01:37:39.320 anything but i would definitely lean on the can heavier than the can't um so i don't know

01:37:48.040 all right so we've got some stuff first uh chris in ohio donated 30

01:37:55.320 dollars to the bns one thank you very much chris we appreciate it um

01:38:02.520 hmm got a number of questions lining up

01:38:08.280 Where are we at to the start here? Okay. Wolf Throne says, would you say the piety and devotion

01:38:20.280 Hindus have with their gods can serve as a good example for how Ausatruar should be interacting

01:38:26.340 with the Aesir? Svan. Yes, in context. I mean, we know that the faith forms 0.94

01:38:37.860 that developed into Hinduism come from the Arya. And they have the tripartite. Again,

01:38:51.240 another telltale sign that they are Arya or they are Aryan. But these devotions that developed 0.93

01:39:00.400 over time i think are are unique to them but that we can learn from them and and formulate

01:39:08.160 i i think our own verbiage because sometimes um the the prayers that are done um

01:39:16.960 by like in hinduism are um are uh i think a lot of western readers when they read it

01:39:27.840 don't know or understand why the the the level of piety is so intrinsic even to the creation of

01:39:37.520 the self and i cannot see without the without you i cannot hear without you i cannot smell without

01:39:43.520 you um and i i think that this is not a bad thing at all i'm just saying that there needs to be

01:39:51.600 a development of language within our culture in order for us to truly understand or get to that

01:40:01.600 level of meaning that they have from you know their source um but i do think it's worth reading

01:40:12.480 and studying so i

01:40:15.680 I looked at the question a little bit differently and not in the sense of like

01:40:26.720 needing to read or study their stuff or even ape their practice but the depth of their piety

01:40:34.820 that's the thing when you absolutely their their piety is should be extremely informative to us

01:40:45.680 um they are very pious and i say that the examples that i am aware of and the good examples of their

01:40:55.340 piety are extreme piety and i think that different races of people express piety in

01:41:04.720 different ways not only with different language but with different kind of action with different

01:41:12.440 tone with different in a different way but the level of piety absolutely

01:41:19.340 you have such a deep devotion to their gods and

01:41:24.920 modern house are true due to the conditions that we live in and the state of soul sickness amongst

01:41:34.040 our folk the true deep piety has been you know slower than we would have liked to develop it's

01:41:45.480 at a higher and better place now amongst more alsa truer than ever before in the modern period

01:41:54.920 it's a beautiful thing when you see it and it's a sad thing when you notice the lack of it

01:42:00.280 uh we talk a lot about the soul sickness of our folk on here and that's one way that it is really

01:42:08.080 expressed one of most often one of two things um precipitate people to become

01:42:18.820 also true or I guess have over the you know almost 60 years in the modern period of us

01:42:24.640 currently we have a lot of atheists that are not used to the idea of piety itself

01:42:35.040 that embrace house of true and so that's a slow build to develop something that's

01:42:40.080 never been a part of how they define themselves um but we also have a current of you know people

01:42:47.600 that have come here specifically out of damage that they felt being pious in other faiths

01:42:57.920 so there's a tendency to throw the baby out with the bath water and think everything that you know

01:43:03.120 they did when they were a christian they need to abandon and do the opposite of when they become

01:43:08.080 also true and that's been something that we've had to deal with too and these are all responses to

01:43:12.800 trauma and it's part of healing our people to get past that um

01:43:19.520 hindus hindus in india don't have that same history of modern atheism and of

01:43:28.800 the cultural domination of christianity for so long so they come to piety towards their gods in a

01:43:36.480 much more direct way than often uh our folk do but yeah that level of piety and that expression

01:43:45.480 of piety is really it's beautiful to see and it is something that you know the intensity of that

01:43:54.080 should be felt by our folk the way that we demonstrate it might be different it comes to

01:43:58.880 mind um there's a guy i don't want to mention his name but he used to

01:44:03.740 he was a guy that was really prominent in different modern Alcetru and Alcetru related

01:44:11.720 circles and it was very funny that you know he quit the AFA and you know all this different drama

01:44:19.040 that we have within Alcetru circles of people breaking over breaking off over small things

01:44:26.180 and just petty differences and whatever and he lamented I saw on like a social media post

01:44:33.740 um after he had quit some grumpiness about you know some magnificent god to a hindu deity or

01:44:40.860 a statue to a hindu deity and like man why can't i was a true or ever do stuff like this this would

01:44:46.400 be i we should do these things this is awesome well you can't do that if there's no unity

01:44:53.340 you can't do that unless there's a critical mass of people willing to

01:44:57.580 devote themselves and their resources towards making things happen and that's the sad

01:45:03.000 the sad situation we find ourselves in is a lot of our folk want us to have beautiful things want

01:45:10.140 us to have amazing and wonderful things but don't want to be part of making those things happen

01:45:16.000 and that said we could accomplish so much more if all those people were with us

01:45:20.460 but the happy thing is we're able to accomplish so much more now than ever before because so many

01:45:26.900 people have come and have come home to the icr to aussitru to the afa so that's been really beautiful

01:45:34.660 but we need more of that and we'd be way further ahead if more people decide to to be part of what

01:45:41.380 we're doing and to help so hopefully and we've already seen that this show in in particular has

01:45:47.380 brought a lot of people home so the more of our folk we can bring home the uh better we can

01:45:54.580 accomplish the things we set out to uh a question from gothe east i'll tell you gothe and witness

01:46:01.940 fawn what is the afa's official stance on the giantess thok who refuses to weep for baldy

01:46:09.540 is she loki in disguise

01:46:13.620 it's fun what are your thoughts uh uh in the gill beginning i believe it is mentioned

01:46:21.140 straight out that it is it is loki and it's worth noting that again don't follow me mythos is is not

01:46:33.840 meant to be you know entirely logical the idea again is um that uh loki is is ousted out as the

01:46:43.760 perpetrator and is not going to be seen as one that will weep um at all but is left out of the

01:46:50.640 equation but to in that malice he changes himself into the this feminine uh being and then doubles

01:47:00.640 down just to make it not happen um i was uh let me see here i believe it's right here um 0.66

01:47:09.360 Um, in the prosaedas, uh, Thok will weep waterless tears for Baldur's bear,

01:47:19.860 bale fair, living or dead. I loved not the churl's son. So that, that is a huge bite 0.94

01:47:27.980 towards Lord Odin. Um, uh, by this time, Loki has manifested into his true nature. He's,

01:47:37.340 has been malignant and is now just completely uh you know filled with with evil and uh

01:47:49.820 let hell hold what she hath and men deem that she who was there was loki lauferson

01:47:57.180 who hath wrought most ill amongst the gods. So in the Gilfoginning, verse 49, it is stated.

01:48:09.620 I mean, I think that's lending enough, but also on top of this, he's not in the equation and gets

01:48:17.360 to double hook around and still be, uh, part of the, the stopping of Baldur's, you know, return.

01:48:28.220 And it's, when we're talking about the gods, um, in a spiritual sense, outside of saints,

01:48:35.880 a lore context, um, this is just, again, a re-emphasis of that malice and, um,

01:48:43.520 the inevitability of it the idea that uh there was no sense of return till after ragnarok ever

01:48:53.120 but this this plays out um the lines are hardened now there is the the chaos and the evil versus the

01:49:02.280 order and the good um so yes i'm a believer that thok is um loki mainly just because it's stated

01:49:13.680 Side note, her name, his name, its name means thanks in Old Norse and I believe in modern Icelandic.

01:49:28.240 Random factoid. Yeah, and I believe that's kind of a poetic joke,

01:49:33.280 kind of like when if somebody like does something terrible and it's like, you're welcome.

01:49:37.840 them it's like and you know that's kind of how it reads to me too i can't say that with authority

01:49:45.760 but you know these characters in the lore are not named haphazardly um yeah absolutely she is

01:49:54.880 you know loki in disguise if for some reason i am wrong and she is not loki in disguise she's

01:50:01.360 I'm absolutely one of Loki's agents, and the relevance to me is the same.

01:50:10.360 Something important to restate as many times as possible.

01:50:14.360 Ausatru is not about belief in Norse mythological cosmology.

01:50:21.360 Ausatru is about being true or loyal to the Aesir.

01:50:26.360 just about realizing that the world functions or our existence functions in those terms

01:50:32.360 it's about an active loyalty and being on the side of the icr the side of the forces of order

01:50:39.480 against the forces of chaos so she's on the other side of that line regardless but yes she's loki

01:50:47.320 in disguise armenius return matthew how long has it been since you were a christian

01:50:59.320 24 years which had a really good date to win that you know to when i finally broke

01:51:09.320 from christianity um but about 24 years it was sometime in the winter of

01:51:21.720 between 2000 and 2001 i believe um but yeah so this entire this entire century thus far

01:51:34.040 and another thing be ah okay i'll get to that a little bit later then all right that's an

01:51:44.520 interesting question though i just uh you know immediately like to what purpose is that i i just

01:51:53.640 interesting in and of itself i know that most folks that come into aussage room come in through

01:51:58.280 you know i call it the rift very few are raised ausitru and i think our you know your your

01:52:06.980 daughter and my children are lucky in that sense but um most of us do come from somewhere else or

01:52:13.360 some other faith and just kind of a a short question and then dropped off it is it's something

01:52:21.660 think about but you know i've noticed some of that's because we're old a lot of the newer people

01:52:28.860 coming in come from atheism like things that true yeah i i assume to be true and normal are not

01:52:38.700 necessarily the case for a lot of our younger members and i was talking to a guy at frayers

01:52:44.300 harvest feast that expressed this which is a few years younger than us um

01:52:48.620 there was a cultural shift that happened in this country to where

01:52:54.400 it was a fairly religious country to where there was a really strong church tradition

01:52:59.600 for a really long time and over you know year in my lifetime that has dropped off tremendously and

01:53:07.020 atheism has become atheism is more the default than Christianity is at this stage of the game

01:53:13.960 the united states i'd say um and that used to not be the case used to be people weren't necessarily

01:53:19.960 very religious but if they had to say something you know there's some kind of christian i think

01:53:26.200 you know certainly more than i've ever seen there's some kind of atheist instead these days

01:53:32.760 so i don't know if that's you know that's just kind of anecdotal from what i see around me

01:53:37.080 but um but yeah so uh finn wraith wants to know could ragnarok be metaphorical for some real world

01:53:45.240 catastrophe spawn take this please um uh ragnarok again um yes it is it it's applique application

01:54:01.240 is perennial. Mythos, and the power of mythos is that its application can be eternal in its

01:54:11.820 expressions. So if you were to say, hey, is there any war in history that could be

01:54:21.000 aligned with Ragnarok? Or is any war in the future, perhaps one that we're looking at

01:54:27.940 down the barrel of a of right now could this be analogous with ragnarok um in many ways yes

01:54:37.140 but if we're talking about literalism too there are some um and i i have a lending towards this

01:54:44.140 as well is that i i do believe that the some of the um details um outside of it being perennial

01:54:53.940 is what defines ragnarok and of course that is the fimble winter um you know up it uh i and

01:55:02.040 because of what uh also a year ago they just said because we're old i remember when the the climate

01:55:08.460 uh crisis um green is the new red guys back in the uh late 70s and early 80s we're talking about

01:55:17.360 the most likelihood of an ice age being the end that that brings an end to mankind um and then 1.00

01:55:25.460 you know eventually they went into the global warming and into the acid rain and the ozone

01:55:30.340 holes and all of that um and kind of shifted towards warming um you know i it's not

01:55:39.260 unplausible to think of it that way but i do believe that there is um truly truthful um insights

01:55:52.040 within the lore i do not believe the lore is like strictly like a bible but that these stories are

01:55:58.080 passed down and spoken of and then were written down to survive the the drought of christianity

01:56:05.380 In a kind of a seed form

01:56:08.200 And so that would be my biggest thing

01:56:10.600 Is does the

01:56:12.260 Thimble winter proceed

01:56:14.220 But again

01:56:16.260 Your application of

01:56:18.060 Of that destruction

01:56:20.180 Can be applied and it's okay to be

01:56:22.340 Applied in other situations

01:56:24.660 As well

01:56:25.400 So

01:56:26.820 We get this a lot

01:56:31.560 And it's

01:56:35.380 I get that it's hard to wrap your head around.

01:56:41.340 Our myth cycle exists within mythic time.

01:56:46.540 There are constant cycles, and the mythic cycle, the way that it is described, exists within one of those cycles.

01:56:56.780 the events in our mythology have happened are happening and will happen because a lot of

01:57:07.340 cyclical things repeat themselves understanding

01:57:11.140 gods that exist outside of our temporal understanding of how everything works

01:57:20.120 are best displayed in different contexts and different seasons of their existence

01:57:26.140 All of those seasons are relevant and existing.

01:57:34.140 Simultaneously, Balder is the brightest in Ausgard.

01:57:41.140 He is slain and in Helgard and he is returned and triumphant, you know, post Ragnarok.

01:57:50.140 ragnarok all of those things have happened will happen are happening um and it's hard to

01:57:58.940 wrap our head around because it's not really the point there's a lot of

01:58:02.500 certainly you see commonality in small cycles there's cosmic cycles there's galactic cycles

01:58:10.600 there's planetary cycles there's national cycles there's cultural and personal and

01:58:18.460 there's cycles on all these levels that we can see and a lot of that you know sounds like

01:58:24.160 gobbledygook it's neither here nor there other than to say we recognize commonality and something

01:58:29.880 that people have always done when they see mythic expression of cycles is okay well this you know

01:58:40.200 things are really bad this Ragnarok's right around the corner I think that we're specifically primed

01:58:46.700 to that with messianic millennial philosophy with Christianity, that was one of the things

01:58:57.180 in Christianity, the Judaic worldview of a start and a stop time for life on earth and

01:59:10.060 a messianic deliverance into whatever their new heavenly existence is was very much always

01:59:20.620 conceived of in terms of chronological specificity so the generation of like the original

01:59:29.560 um disciples of jesus they thought okay cool like within our lifetime

01:59:36.460 I'm Jesus coming back.

01:59:39.540 We're going to hang out in heaven and tell Yahweh how awesome he is for eternity.

01:59:44.400 It's like, cool, this is happening like next week.

01:59:50.000 And they thought that very sincerely.

01:59:51.760 And then, you know, the next generation, the next generation, like surely any day now, you know, it's been long enough.

01:59:56.720 I see the signs.

01:59:57.700 Uh-oh, barbarians are rising outside the city.

02:00:00.900 Nope, this is what they talked about. 1.00

02:00:02.500 This is the beast and the whore of Babylon 1.00

02:00:06.020 And it's all going to happen 1.00

02:00:07.320 And this is happening tomorrow

02:00:09.120 Uh-oh, it didn't

02:00:10.800 And then they went through a period

02:00:11.900 Where they looked to the future a little bit

02:00:13.980 And every new century that come around

02:00:16.840 Just because we recognize numbers and patterns

02:00:19.400 And, you know, passing a new century

02:00:23.320 Makes you take note of time in 100-year chunks

02:00:28.660 They would expect, like, nope

02:00:31.440 jesus is coming back this you know new year's day it's gonna we're gonna celebrate new years

02:00:36.740 in heaven that's what's going down and every time it didn't happen and then they projected

02:00:42.780 okay certainly year 1000 this is the apocalypse we got to get ready let's make it happen um that

02:00:51.620 was very evident in rome and the papal states in italy and it was really important with the

02:00:59.800 carolingian dynasty and with charlemagne at the time he thought for sure you know this was going

02:01:05.080 to be a thing they were setting up to the the this was going to happen at the turn of the 2000s

02:01:11.480 we're going to get prepped and ready for this it's coming and it didn't and so you see this

02:01:18.120 in modern there's so much in times prophecy stuff by um by protestant christianity that's a really

02:01:26.680 popular theme because every new thing is like nope the signs are all here and i don't say that to be

02:01:35.000 to be rude i think in all of our lives when we experience the worst thing we've ever experienced

02:01:42.360 okay can't get worse than this this is going to be the end because we go by our level of experience

02:01:48.920 you know if you were in rome and the eternal empire has crumbled and the the goths the visigoths are

02:01:56.360 coming over the walls and like vandals are coming in aleric's coming it's done cool surely this is

02:02:04.920 a wrap this is end times and every time you see a new thing you know there's a world war there's a

02:02:12.600 second world war oh wow there's nuclear bombs now every new thing is a new opportunity

02:02:21.400 to cast that in a different light or on a bigger or more epic scale i think we all see those things

02:02:29.220 and it's easier it's easy to recognize patterns and it's like a lot of nostradamus's quatrains

02:02:37.240 you can play a game with those and i don't mean again to be disrespectful but you can play a game

02:02:44.560 with those and put that in any time in any circumstance and challenge somebody to make

02:02:49.420 the pieces fit you can make the pieces fit for anything you want ah the king in the north does

02:02:55.460 this thing to the nation in the south and then the bear from the east devours the king and

02:03:01.020 with those kind of things you can apply that to the further we go in the progression of the

02:03:09.220 information that we have access to a number of people you can find that wherever you look if

02:03:15.540 You look hard enough and you're into doing that enough.

02:03:18.960 As kind of a side note, as Jehovah's Witness briefly in 99-2000, 98-99-2000, it was the new system was going to happen any day now.

02:03:39.840 And they were so into it. They had all these really in-depth prophecies from the book of Daniel, and they'd done all these calculations. And end times was going to, the generation at the start of the tribulation was going to be there to see the second coming of Jesus.

02:03:58.540 So they had it figured. The people who were alive during the First World War, because the First World War was when Satan was cast out of heaven, and that's going to be the start date. And then times, time, and half a time or whatever I think it said in Daniel.

02:04:15.140 there was there's this big prophecy built around that generation of people will still be alive

02:04:21.140 but then in the 90s you started to see like wow these people are even people who were just born

02:04:27.680 at the outbreak of the first world war these people are they're getting up there in the

02:04:33.120 their 80s or in the 90s or over 100 nope all of those people are dead and it still hasn't happened

02:04:39.460 so they got to recalculate and with them i think that's like the fourth or fifth recalculation

02:04:45.060 they've done that's not what we do that's not relevant to ausitru um the cycles of

02:04:58.980 birth becoming death rebirth and all of those things we see them as one of the ways that we

02:05:04.580 relate to existence but our gods are eternal in our at least as much as we can understand eternity

02:05:14.900 they're the gods of our folk and of our race and cycles happen and continue to happen the cycles

02:05:20.820 help us to understand them but to try to link that story with some kind of um

02:05:30.900 millennial end times prophecy isn't, I think that's misguided.

02:05:41.700 Go ahead, Swan. You're muted.

02:05:48.300 Sorry, I was going to say, I've seen, I'm seeing some chatter over on the side,

02:05:55.100 And I wanted to bring up a couple of points. One of the big gripes that's going on is about not spiraling out into a doomsday kind of thing that that Christianity and Judaism and so on is kind of carry.

02:06:10.220 um but there's some interesting points to note um aryan religions always have a war in the beginning

02:06:20.240 a war at the end uh and and that existence in between but the difference lies in the fact of

02:06:27.580 whether the religion is warrior of a warrior spirit or of say like a death cult or a lamentation

02:06:36.520 spirit i think that's very very different uh we know that you know we live in a in the the wolf

02:06:43.000 age will come but we just said i mean that application of those titles are perennial

02:06:49.880 so the idea is that the struggle exists in which way you take it if you lament if you if you think

02:06:57.000 that oh you know the end times are coming and um will finally be saved from the terribleness of

02:07:04.200 living um versus the warrior mythos is the the end times are inevitable and we must you know

02:07:12.120 keep building keep going stronger and better and harder at things um there's there's a vast

02:07:20.200 difference between the two that should be noted a lot of people will immediately default to the

02:07:25.880 idea that snorty influenced um much of his christian views and into uh the adas and there

02:07:34.600 is some truth to that but it is worth noting that like pre um hellenic influence of of judaism and

02:07:43.720 and christianity didn't have a lot of this most of their stuff comes from mortal things like

02:07:49.720 the uh the siege of gidon is what eventually leads to the concept of armageddon or armageddon 0.96

02:07:58.440 um but it wasn't until they reached the hellenicized um or became the hellenicized jews 0.63

02:08:06.680 in turkey and in uh lebanon and stuff like that that they started really absorbing arian concepts 0.59

02:08:14.520 The Trinity is one, the idea of the great battle at the end, and a lot of that.

02:08:20.800 There's a reason why Revelations is written in Greek and not Aramaic.

02:08:25.440 It's because that influence is super pronounced.

02:08:29.780 So I don't think that doomsday is strictly Christian.

02:08:35.860 It's just that the concept of the people who observe it, that doom is different. 0.51

02:08:42.100 um you know there's a all aryan faiths have a tripartite all aryan faiths have an upper upper

02:08:48.800 middle and lower world and remember christianity did not have an upper middle or lower world

02:08:53.900 until way later um a lot of people don't realize that but uh you know it was it was uh the many

02:09:02.080 satans in judaism there was multiples um living on earth with humans on on this existence um

02:09:11.560 it wasn't till later when they were kind of encapsulated in an underworld um the uh there

02:09:19.200 was no final fight at the end there was a fight in the beginning or at least a casting out which

02:09:27.060 isn't really even a fight but um the the idea of the big battle at the end is definitely i think

02:09:36.380 another aryan influence so it is really about the way that you as a people perceive um the doom um

02:09:48.700 and again these this is simple nature this is um the eternal becoming dawned out of you know

02:09:59.100 chaos and then being formulated and then eventually it it has to or it doesn't have

02:10:06.140 to be but it is torn down in the great struggle that uh the thing that makes something eternal

02:10:12.220 is the threat of it not existing again um so super important i just mentioning that with

02:10:19.100 some of the the chatter on the side that's worth noting is and i i don't think that we as

02:10:24.620 ausitur should be like you know oh don't you know uh don't look at get spiraled into these doomsday

02:10:33.020 death cult kind of mindsets it's worth noting where it is uh viable in our in our theology

02:10:41.740 but where it is also where we are different and where we view things differently so i want to

02:10:47.180 to address something to um armenius return in the chat room he's been real active over there he's

02:10:56.500 got some another question coming up in the queue i appreciate you being here i appreciate you being

02:11:02.320 active and you know expressing you know your thoughts and being part of the conversation

02:11:08.720 over on the side what i would invite you to do as a

02:11:17.840 i don't know as a different perspective or a different way of thinking

02:11:22.240 because the stuff that you're saying isn't um and the way that you're saying it isn't uncommon it's

02:11:28.400 not something that a lot of people you know haven't done or haven't thought and i get that

02:11:33.840 but there's a a tone in there and i'm not trying to project it on you i don't presume to know

02:11:39.520 exactly where you're coming from on it but the tone of our gods being somehow personification

02:11:49.840 of natural phenomenon and like a poetic way of describing the natural world is

02:12:03.840 I think when people say that sometimes they mean something deeper on the surface of it, it appears to a lot of us that practice our religion in a very devotional way, like a form of atheism, like it's a suggestion that gods are not real.

02:12:20.140 they're just a poetic way of describing natural natural circumstance and that's the way that um

02:12:27.660 scholars have traditionally related to non-abrahamic faiths is by suggesting that our

02:12:35.500 ancestors these you know primitives that grunt and beat on sticks and make up you know magic

02:12:43.500 spirits to explain things they don't understand yet the the jews and the and the arabs and the 0.72

02:12:50.620 and the christians are able to magically you know their their god's the real one but everybody else 0.80

02:12:56.860 is just a confused savage and that's that's not the case our ancestors were incredibly smart people

02:13:06.460 they had the same brain capacity that we do as modern humans

02:13:10.140 they don't need to make offerings and devote worship and temples and hoffs to

02:13:24.120 pretty ways of describing natural things so i would challenge you to what would it look like

02:13:31.800 if our gods are real entities that have been part of the gift cycle with our folk since the dawn of

02:13:40.040 time and if we our ancestors grew to understand them by relating them to natural circumstances

02:13:52.760 that highlight their power or highlight their glory in a certain way

02:14:00.040 the directionality of that's really important um if you if your starting point is that the icr must

02:14:08.040 and do exist therefore let's understand how our ancestors related to them certainly we see like

02:14:16.280 your point about balder we understand the similarity between balder's return and this

02:14:22.760 and the sun as being a beautiful expression of that and so we celebrate balder at midsummer

02:14:30.360 but it's not because balder is the sun it's because we see that natural thing as a beautiful

02:14:40.280 reminder or symbol of balder is not a symbol of the sun the sun is a symbol of balder

02:14:47.480 and the directionality of that matters tremendously

02:14:50.520 thor isn't an explanation for thunder thunder helps us understand the majesty and the might

02:14:58.540 of us and thor and those are the i i would like you to if you would i invite you to think on the

02:15:06.300 directionality of those things maybe it would inform what you do or how you think but i hope

02:15:13.920 it would inform the way that you perceive how we think in relation to you know the direction

02:15:22.220 we're coming from and so i say that not just you but everybody else who's listening because

02:15:27.420 it is a very common um place to start from and so i think that's worth mentioning

02:15:33.840 ah so one of your questions uh armenius return question could the stories of the gods be astral

02:15:44.780 theology i'm not sure what you mean by that term svan do you are you picking up what he is laying

02:15:53.000 down in that question yeah um yes yes i am and uh so astro theology is again kind of what you

02:16:02.660 you were just talking about um instead of say natural forces within the biomes of of the earth

02:16:10.260 now we're talking about celestial forms and those movements um taking place and you see that a lot

02:16:16.900 when we talk about like and the idea of like the great void in the center being perhaps space um

02:16:25.140 But it is important to consider the directionality, as I was heard ago, they said, is that, for instance, when the story of Thor drinking from the horn drops the level of the sea.

02:16:41.720 um it is the god's actions the god's interface with the the middle with uh the middle world

02:16:52.760 um that which is material that which is physical that which has causality um it is their interaction

02:17:00.180 that creates those differences so could there be a cosmological effect of the the machinations of

02:17:09.580 the gods and of the forces that are, are, um, I do believe so, but I don't think it's the other

02:17:17.640 way around. I don't think that, um, astral or cosmo cosmological effects, um, are simply the

02:17:26.520 gods in maybe scientific titling or, or what have you. And I don't think that's what you're saying,

02:17:32.720 But I mean, just from my very, very minute understanding of astrotheology, so I can't speak heavily, but it just seems like that those correlations kind of become the merging point between natural phenomena and divine phenomena.

02:17:53.280 and um you know we in the astrophobic assembly definitely look at the willful manifestation of

02:18:02.100 action that the gods and other forces partake have effect in the middle realm all that flows

02:18:09.280 in from the east and from the west and from above and from below have an effect in the material um

02:18:17.220 how far that goes out is something that I've pondered often. Um, you know, there is clearly

02:18:24.040 life here, but beyond here, um, is one that I, I, I ponder about it, but I don't know. Um,

02:18:35.860 can the gods do things in the astral and the cosmic? I believe so. And I think that our lore,

02:18:43.440 Or really to our gods are not strictly confined to the earthly state that they can very well.

02:18:55.260 If we take to the stars and start pressing our expansion into the heavens, we will take our gods and bear that piety to them with us.

02:19:13.440 um no matter how far we kind of go um you know because again at what point is

02:19:22.240 is is emir the earth yes is emir the cosmos yes it's it's again it's that hard to to wrap around

02:19:31.520 the the application of of the the perennial truth of mythos is that it it it grows bigger

02:19:39.120 and it can shrink smaller and all apply at the same time but yes

02:19:50.320 all right um

02:19:54.960 switching paces uh for a second finwraith asks what do you think about this stuff between iran

02:20:03.440 and israel happening right now could this turn into some bigger worldwide conflict

02:20:09.120 yes of course it could it's fine take it away from here and i will be right back guys okay

02:20:15.900 well i um remember too folks uh our our church um doesn't you know promote or condemn any you

02:20:25.540 know particular forms of politics and governance but your faith should exude from you to exemplify

02:20:33.980 the way you wish to govern um we have one of our holy lords is the lord of law and and governance

02:20:42.540 um but when we're looking at this and this is just me kind of also speaking from a personal you know

02:20:49.660 we we're in this situation right now um where things can get it's and i you know being in

02:20:56.060 former former military um and seeing and being a part of some pretty big foreign um activities

02:21:04.940 if you will um yeah i mean we're we're sitting at the point right now where we have a president who

02:21:11.820 is completely non-visible but doesn't really even exist we're in the biggest proxy war

02:21:20.300 that we have been with russia since the cold war except i think this feels far more tangible

02:21:27.160 than even back then when i was growing up um so you know we have that we have this um

02:21:35.260 situation that grows too as as uh israel is stepping outside of its borders um you know 0.50

02:21:44.160 no not only is it crunching on people within its borders now it's stepping into their neighbors to

02:21:50.140 get things and uh you're on you know sent these these uh missiles and i've gotten conflicting

02:21:59.360 reports based on what i saw you know the the iron dome isn't working the iron dome is working

02:22:04.760 um so i really feel like we're kind of left in the dark and that doesn't give me a great

02:22:11.140 foothold to make a super educated guess on on how things are going i mean i know that an american

02:22:19.340 strike group was was moved over there about a week ago before all of this um and it's just yeah

02:22:27.020 it's getting very very um tense i think you know between ukraine and the middle east and israel

02:22:34.540 and all ultimately to the the the ever-waiting um snake in the corner uh the china and taiwan

02:22:44.060 um conflict that could brew and a lot of times these things happen in conjunction simply because

02:22:50.780 of opportunity you know so uh we saw it with iraq and and then afghanistan um is that oftentimes

02:22:59.900 conflicts breed more conflicts because it creates an opportunity to spread resources and um so yeah

02:23:08.300 i'm i'm very um concerned i guess would be the the term um in relation to just based off of

02:23:18.940 my knowledge in in the military um where where these things are going when when countries are

02:23:26.620 kind of stepping over borders and and and hitting people um and then there's a retaliation strike

02:23:33.660 but iran had to do that then i think it wasn't just lebanon too of course they did do a strike

02:23:39.740 in their country um uh hitting i believe he was the head of hezbollah um and you know hitting his

02:23:49.100 bunker or safe house or what have you and iran has done this before even when uh trump um killed

02:23:56.860 uh sulaimani he was in iraq and they took that opportunity though and struck him while he was

02:24:04.380 outside of his country and uh they sent missiles to a base that i had visited numerous times

02:24:11.340 um al-assad air base and um you know i think that how much of this is saber rattling who knows but

02:24:19.180 But there's a certain point where if it keeps going, it could get very spicy very quick.

02:24:27.420 yeah um

02:24:31.980 there are

02:24:39.180 there is a misnomer that as a church we all of a sudden can't ever talk about anything that is

02:24:51.140 remotely political that's not true um but it's not a primary focus and those aren't our people

02:25:01.140 so it becomes a little bit of a an extraction at some point put it turn into something absolutely

02:25:09.320 Um, am I concerned about us sending our, you know, our sons over there to

02:25:20.380 be in that conflict and that situation? Yes, I am. I could see that occurring at some point.

02:25:30.000 I hope it doesn't. Um, and I know everybody here, a lot of, a lot of our listeners get really

02:25:38.440 wrapped up in this particularly because it deals with groups of people that a lot of us have

02:25:43.880 entrenched thoughts on what i will say is suffering is bad and suffering of non-combatants is worse

02:25:58.520 we don't want to see suffering in general

02:26:02.120 and we especially do not want to see any suffering of of non-combatants uh that's terrible i think

02:26:10.180 that's always terrible um i think it's just worth you know considering and being aware of

02:26:19.920 we think that across the board with living things and it's part of what defines our people

02:26:30.020 how we deal with other folks how we deal with animals how we deal with the living

02:26:36.140 world around us and with other things that experience pain suffering joy emotion

02:26:47.300 causing pain and suffering is a a bad thing

02:26:50.540 clashing between warriors that are in there and both are actively engaged in that struggle

02:27:01.120 is a little bit different than a lot of the really ugly things that happen in modern warfare

02:27:09.020 and just as a point of you know it's worth being said suffering's bad and the suffering of

02:27:18.700 innocence is especially bad and uh always wish that was not the case

02:27:27.980 um and you know one of the sad things about war in this day and age is there's always some of that

02:27:35.820 you know there's very seldom a situation where there's none of that so collateral damage is

02:27:41.020 really bad and i think with urban situations in urban pop populations of the world

02:27:49.740 that tends to happen much more than i think folks realize um

02:27:59.100 the next question

02:28:03.180 so this is again from armenius return suggesting i believe that they are real talking about our gods

02:28:09.500 that they represent the mindset of the folk.

02:28:14.340 Are you familiar with the idea of Egregore?

02:28:17.800 I am.

02:28:19.700 Svan, are you familiar with that concept?

02:28:25.900 Just off the top of my head,

02:28:28.080 it is the concept that the gods are created

02:28:34.280 from the uh or tailored to a very specific group of people due to their consciousness of them

02:28:43.980 is that correct i think there's a lot of variance on what different people may mean by that term

02:28:52.220 the

02:28:54.380 if i'm following him in the chat and my understanding of egregore is it's

02:29:02.780 a thought form that gains a life of its own or an existence based on the

02:29:14.360 collective will or pool of mental energy of the people who are

02:29:22.940 giving rise to it for lack of a better term and the closest analogy within ausitru that i'm aware

02:29:35.240 of to that concept is the idea of like a personified hymenia and i think i think there's

02:29:44.940 something to that though i don't think it is an entity i think there is a collective well of

02:29:52.360 luck formed by groups of people due to their association and ritual acts within that

02:29:58.760 association but it's not the same as a thought form come to life but i am i'm loosely familiar

02:30:07.800 with the concept the times that i have encountered it have seemed to be like a

02:30:21.400 I don't, I promise I don't mean any disrespect when I say that. I don't know a better way to put it across. It seems like a fancy atheism, like adding cool imagery to not really believing in the sentient external existence of a God or a, you know, being that you were in communion with.

02:30:46.620 um and again different people may mean something different when they when they say it it's hard

02:30:54.520 when it's hard when there are things that when you talk about uh spiritual things or metaphysical

02:31:02.780 things vocabulary tends to fail to convey exact meaning or precise things it's one of the

02:31:11.100 I think it's very important to approach

02:31:19.880 Alistair true or I think any religion with from a very simple but very genuine place

02:31:30.620 and to build on that simplicity. I think we don't allow ourselves mentally or emotionally

02:31:41.200 often enough to drop our preconceptions, let our guards down and be open to spiritual experience.

02:31:50.620 So I think a lot of people have to go through a process where they intellectualize and rationalize

02:31:58.180 and come up with really complex thoughts and theories to try to, I don't know, facilitate

02:32:08.180 that process or merge their worldview with the practice of a particular religion.

02:32:20.140 I think sometimes it's a starting point.

02:32:22.620 A lot of the time it's an ending point or it's a static point of where people are.

02:32:28.180 And I don't, I don't fault those deeper thoughts. Once you establish relationship on a simple, but genuine, just heartfelt way, I think you can build on that.

02:32:48.020 And I think you can probably build on that infinitely with more specialized way of expressing it,

02:32:56.480 a very complex philosophical or theological lexicon to make it interface with other faith

02:33:05.440 systems or other philosophies.

02:33:07.960 There's a lot of stuff you can do, but fundamentally, Ausatru is about relationships.

02:33:14.700 It's about the gift cycle.

02:33:15.780 It's about building a relationship between the folk and the gods, between yourself, your family, and our gods, and maintaining that through consistent sharing in that gift cycle.

02:33:33.600 we don't have

02:33:38.080 most of us and certainly starting from you know the earliest childhood we don't form relationships

02:33:46.420 based on philosophical constructs or esoteric theories or any of those things we form relationships

02:33:58.500 by empathy and projecting that empathy onto beings that share our experience in some way.

02:34:11.020 And we build relationships through genuine expression of emotion. We build enmity if we

02:34:20.740 have expressions of hate or rage or anger at something or hostility, we build a relationship

02:34:26.840 that way or with you know love and warmth and a familial feeling with things that we

02:34:34.460 that we care about that we cherish that we build a loving relationship with

02:34:39.360 those things aren't stuff we think out or we analyze they're things that you do

02:34:47.360 and I think that I think that our folk are best served starting there and building from it

02:34:57.640 as opposed to trying to start out by some very complex intellectualization of it

02:35:07.280 because I think when you do that you miss some of the beauty of a very simple relationship

02:35:12.940 And I think at whatever point you get to, our gods are gods, and whatever the highest evolution of our mortal ability to analyze and dissect philosophy and esoterics and theology, as great as our greatest genius is of that, they are far below the wisdom and understanding of our gods.

02:35:41.480 I don't think we impress them with how extremely hyperanalyzed our situation is.

02:35:52.340 I think it's far more meaningful to have genuine devotional worship of our gods and build a relationship that way.

02:36:02.140 Again, I'm not one of the gods.

02:36:04.520 I can't pretend that I know what that's like or I understand existence.

02:36:08.100 All I can do is project my experience and hope that it relates in some way to theirs, or more likely, know that they understand where I'm coming from in my experience, and that the genuineness of a simple relationship impresses upon them.

02:36:33.600 at least they you know makes them feel good you know it's like if you think about a child that

02:36:40.800 does some a kindness towards you not one of your own children but any child it's nice and it makes

02:36:47.280 you feel warm and good inside when a little kid comes up and gives you something or gives you a

02:36:51.920 hug or says something nice to you not because of a depth of philosophizing about it but they see you

02:37:01.200 they think you're cool and they want to come up and say something nice and give you something

02:37:06.580 that they made and tell you it's a giraffe even though they true you know three legs and some kind

02:37:12.700 of you know globule on it the simple expression of hey i was thinking about you i did something

02:37:20.700 nice because i really think you're cool or look up to you or or feel nice towards you

02:37:27.240 that's the most meaningful thing to me and it's far more meaningful than somebody who relates to

02:37:33.700 me in a contractual way in a business way in an analytical way somebody who just comes up even if 0.82

02:37:42.440 they're mute and can't express it if they're you know retarded if they're whatever it is and they 0.80

02:37:48.320 come up and give you a hug because they just want to be nice and they feel so happy about you 0.84

02:37:54.060 That's awesome. I'll take that any day. And it's meaningful and it transcends language. It transcends analytics and thought process. It's just a warm relationship between sentient entities that exist. And I think we can extend that far further than we do. I think that's a really good place to build from.

02:38:16.900 And I know that was a really, really long bunch of me saying stuff.

02:38:21.900 So I hope that it tracked and made some sense.

02:38:24.840 I wanted to speak on something as well.

02:38:27.740 There was something that Arminius Return said, you know, that the divine exists.

02:38:35.320 But you relate to them until you create something that you can relate to and give life to it by reverence.

02:38:45.640 And I think that we've covered that quite often. The only thing is, is when we talk about, and I'm going to butcher how it's pronounced because I've seen it in Latin, era Gregoris, the idea that the divine is created by consciousness of man, I don't agree with.

02:39:05.280 But the middle ground that he just mentioned, I do agree with. The reason why we've talked about Pan-Aryanism and why, say, Tyrannus with the wagon wheel and the club, Perun with the bow or the hammer, and Lord Thor with the hammer and the chariot, 0.79

02:39:29.200 All of these middle grounds are cultural, unique ways that even within the macro group of Aryans, there are micro relations to the gods. 0.60

02:39:43.360 But I definitely believe that one of the key factors that we look at in the Austro-Folk Assembly is the gods are the gods and that we, in turn, are sprung from them and gain from them, not vice versa.

02:40:01.040 So I don't know, like, I, again, I don't agree with the whole, um, the gods themselves, but perhaps the relatableness of the gods. Yes, absolutely. With that uniqueness. But we see it with, um, Lord Ovin and Vidli and Vey in the creation of consciousness to the folk.

02:40:21.380 And then we see it again with Heimdall as he comes to great grandmother and great grandfather, and then he comes to grandfather and grandmother, and then he comes to father and mother. And the acceptance of that knowledge and that being, the direction of that is, as we use it, above to down to us. And I think that's really, really important.

02:40:44.640 but if you're talking about a middle ground where our consciousness and the consciousness of the

02:40:49.440 gods can meet in relation um yeah i i think we do that a lot we see that within our stories we see

02:40:57.520 that within the the down to the colors of well you know indra being red skinned thor being you know

02:41:04.800 red bearded um there are these little nuanced things that allow us to connect to the gods

02:41:12.880 um but i don't believe that the gods would cease to exist if we no longer thought of them if you

02:41:21.120 will you know and i again and i think so armenius i want you to understand this

02:41:29.360 because i'm reading you over on the side chat no one's trying to project or svan and i are not

02:41:36.720 trying to project on you anything but we are responding to you as if you represent

02:41:45.840 a bunch of listeners that aren't you but that have expressed similar things

02:41:53.280 that may get from what we're saying so please don't take any of the stuff we're saying personally

02:41:58.320 because again you and i we haven't had a personal conversation we're going through this and i think

02:42:02.960 it's really informative and i appreciate your participation over on the side i'm not

02:42:08.400 no one is fawn and i are not coming at you um but trying to explain where we come from in our

02:42:19.280 practice of our faith and yeah the gods are much bigger and beyond and different than we can

02:42:28.480 possibly comprehend the pictures in the stories the imagery

02:42:37.120 helps us to better comprehend them and shape them in a way that makes sense to our brains

02:42:43.120 that we can process and i think we all agree on that point and i think that's really important

02:42:51.040 and we go from there and what the end result of that actually looks like how that actually

02:42:56.800 quantifies and and whatever i don't think any of us can accurately speak to that

02:43:03.280 but we get closer i believe the longer we're in a a gift cycle with the gods

02:43:09.520 um you mentioned that you're you know i don't know who you're speaking to when you say that

02:43:13.600 you're older than them if it's me it's fine i mean seemed a little bit salty when it says you

02:43:20.960 feel as though you're talking to children but shoot if you're 70 80 90 i have no idea how old

02:43:29.520 you are we may very well be literally the age of your children and that's that is what it is

02:43:39.840 but i think approaching the gods starting out in a childlike way is a nice way to start

02:43:48.000 it's the way we all started life and i think it leads us to a different

02:43:54.320 a different type of maturity than if we approach religion as if we are too mature for it

02:44:02.560 and try to intellectualize it over much um

02:44:09.760 but i mean i think everybody in the conversation is is well-meaning and i appreciate that i've

02:44:14.240 always wanted this to be a place where there's well-meaning questions and well-meaning conversation

02:44:18.960 i think it's very important and uh yeah it's hard because we're you know swan and i are here

02:44:26.640 in the flesh you know as it were with our voices and our in our video and little snippets of our

02:44:32.960 life involved but the people we're talking to aren't and we don't um always know that so keep

02:44:39.040 in mind sometimes when we're addressing one of your questions we're speaking to everyone who's

02:44:45.440 going to watch this show or listen to it that might have similar thoughts and not just to you who's

02:44:51.520 asking um so next in the queue is where does the word arian come from i always hear people claim

02:45:06.320 it comes from india and indians are the real arians or at least some people in india are the

02:45:12.880 real arians and stuff like that swan do you have anything to offer on where that word comes from

02:45:20.960 um yeah so the origination place of our people the home dale the the the place in which we

02:45:32.240 come from one of the first expansions out was eastward into india and it was written that

02:45:39.040 they called themselves araya um so since this is one of the first expansion points

02:45:49.280 the totality of referring to the people uh as araya has has value has um um

02:45:57.360 you know, a place. And these people come in to India, they're not Indians. They're, you know, 0.88

02:46:05.860 they're clearly the Araya and they're coming in to take over the Dravidian people. And we see this 1.00

02:46:14.860 again when the central, another group kind of goes central and south, and eventually they become known

02:46:23.940 this Aryans or Iranians. Um, and so I've also heard people say, no, the Iranians are the true 0.98

02:46:31.040 Aryans. And again, it it's, it's ethnic, linguistic, cultural, and racial and the language,

02:46:43.320 whether it was a title or not, these two groups kind of held it as a title or, uh, chose it as

02:46:49.120 a title and the other groups that expanded westward that moved in with uh you know and

02:46:55.340 merged with the corded where people who were very genetically similar um did not label themselves

02:47:02.080 as a raya because i don't think that they were as focused um the himalayan mountains really focused

02:47:09.000 the uh aryans moving into india and the mountains i forgot the name of the mountain range forgive me

02:47:17.620 that's north of iran um really focused the way that they title themselves but i do not think

02:47:25.620 that was the same case for those moving westward it was a it was a much broader um expanse and

02:47:32.420 there was a lot of um even cross fighting as you know the westward expansion was going and so

02:47:38.980 what you ended up seeing is the arians that moved westward um saw the value of that word

02:47:47.620 in titles say like aristocrat as a noble um but not necessarily as the name of of their people as

02:47:56.860 a whole again because they weren't concentrated uh into a funnel and uh whereas the other two

02:48:03.480 groups were so you find the value of the length of the word and that's really what connects us all

02:48:11.280 If you're talking about Arianus or Arias amongst the Greco-Romans, if you're talking about the Aire amongst the Gauls, if you're talking about the Ara or the Era amongst the Germanic folk, this word has value.

02:48:30.720 And, you know, whether they used it as a nomenclature to title themselves, I think that's the biggest difference. 0.66

02:48:38.400 obviously world war ii people don't want us to use that you know they want kurgan was the the big one

02:48:44.720 and then now yamnaya and then indo-european and proto-indo-european and it's kind of like just

02:48:50.240 kind of dodging playing the game so that you know people won't take us seriously if we um

02:48:56.480 use the word that they really don't want us to use um and we we say no no this this word does

02:49:02.560 have value um our people um you know very much could be um given that title as we name ourselves

02:49:13.360 uh very much like uh sub-saharan africans generally i would say would be worth um

02:49:19.760 oh thank you bucket bucket clinger the czar czar gross mountains yeah our mountain uh region um

02:49:29.600 Um, but yeah, the, um, the idea that, you know, uh, well in the West, they didn't use

02:49:37.400 it at a, as a name, but everywhere in the language, it holds true.

02:49:41.580 And everyone can agree that those languages come from a mother source, but because of

02:49:46.460 world war II, we're not allowed to use that nomenclature.

02:49:49.120 And I was saying like, you know, we have all these different groups, like in the sub

02:49:52.600 Saharan Africans, like the, the, the common usage of the title bond to has started to

02:49:58.440 gain popularity amongst those people as a self-name. So I think, you know, people just

02:50:06.180 get confused. They'll say, no, it was the Iranians. No, it was the Indians. And I think that

02:50:12.560 all of those relate to where our folk were coming from.

02:50:18.860 What about the Irish?

02:50:20.420 yeah or yeah saying i the irish or ire ireland or the ire um you know and i i i see this the only

02:50:32.720 one that really throws a wrench in everything is the finno ergic people but and i don't say that

02:50:38.540 with any with any malice at all it's just one of those ones where i'm like man where we we're

02:50:43.780 missing race on the chat on the chat throw shade at the finno urges i'm not throwing shade

02:50:54.100 no it's they're they're definitely an anomaly of the migrations of our folk and i think that 0.85

02:51:01.940 um mainly through linguistics because i mean now we we do see there is um actually a great

02:51:09.540 number actually i think they have the most genetic relation to the young naya people um

02:51:17.860 but linguistics is where it gets kind of fuzzy um and and those that moved westward they mix

02:51:27.460 with the corded where people and that's where you get you know you're kind of western european um

02:51:33.860 Um, but, uh, I don't, I, I think that it's wrong for us to say, we can't say that because

02:51:42.920 someone else doesn't want us to use the word because it will somehow make us lose legitimacy.

02:51:48.560 And I think that that still wins in the ultimate point is to rob you of your ability to claim

02:51:56.880 that title that word has value whether it's noble or honorable or what have you

02:52:04.500 it's you don't relent on that so you know we speak of it as a name that that clearly has value in

02:52:13.360 our language sorry i'm gonna beat a dead horse on that no you're fine it is the name for our

02:52:18.200 folks that we gave ourselves and identified by it remained a marker of nobility it's the root

02:52:26.100 of aristocracy. It's the root of all of those things. It's really important. And it's interesting

02:52:35.200 to note that Ireland and Iran both mean land of the Aryans, because those were the extent

02:52:42.440 of the migrations of our folk until the modern period, until the discovery of the new world.

02:52:48.080 um there's something called the zealotry of the fringe and when you have the outside of an

02:53:00.800 expanse of people they get further and further from their homelands and from the core of their

02:53:07.760 commonality in their practice they start really really cherishing their cultural their racial 0.99

02:53:16.520 identity because it's not the norm as they break into new lands what distinguished the Iranians 0.71

02:53:25.100 when they were when the Persians were making their conquests with it they were the Aryans

02:53:30.440 and these other people that they were interacting were were not they were outside of that and that's

02:53:36.980 it became such an important um identifier back in in you know central europe and northern europe

02:53:46.260 it didn't need to be stressed as much because yeah so are all of the rest of us and it was

02:53:52.540 understood but the distinction between us and not us was very keenly felt on the outer edges

02:53:59.820 of that migration and and you see that there but to answer the question um specifically the term

02:54:06.700 aryan is a sanskrit term it goes back to whatever proto-indo-european which in fact overtook it as

02:54:17.020 the name that we would call it if we were having this conversation in you know 1910

02:54:22.540 aryan comes from the aryan language group of aryan people that's as far back as you would trace it

02:54:29.740 we have to call it something else now because of political correct ideologies unfortunately but

02:54:35.020 linguistically it traces itself back there and it's found in you know one way or another in uh

02:54:41.900 you know all of the root languages that i'm familiar with to one degree or another um but

02:54:49.180 yeah we're you know beating that to death now but it is important and it's it's a term of value of

02:54:56.700 lifting ourselves up and seeing ourselves as something beautiful something noble something

02:55:02.460 special and aspiring to that and we would not deny that to any other race of people

02:55:13.100 it's particularly of interest that it's denied us in some circles and worth pondering on

02:55:24.700 next question from monk and monk yes i getting your messages about the the video you want to

02:55:31.740 check out i will absolutely check it out i just haven't gotten back to you yet i do still remember

02:55:35.820 it and i'm going to look at it when i have some time um but he asks what is our thoughts on

02:55:43.260 vana true swan what are your thoughts on that i can tell where that's heading by your like

02:55:51.420 your eyes on it but uh break us off something there yeah this is a great question though

02:55:57.660 because i think it has validity in our modern age and why ausa true is so important because

02:56:04.840 vana true is again just another attempt to break to dissolve and this is again the work of of of

02:56:14.160 the chaos of of these things when natural law the vanir um collided with cosmic order the icier

02:56:25.960 there was a union made but that union means that both of them are now inseparable they've been

02:56:32.800 welded together in heat and in that great collision of battle so to separate them again

02:56:41.340 i think has more of a political value uh a desire to i don't want to you know i don't want to 0.98

02:56:47.280 associate with those patriarchal genocidal um yamnaya people or arians and i want to go to the 0.88

02:56:55.600 the matriarchal um you know stone age bronze age um you know courted wear people because

02:57:04.200 vibes or whatever it's like i i think that's what the ultimate attempt is but you can't do that

02:57:12.540 because there is so much of that interplay and it creates another sense of the earth there is a

02:57:20.640 connection between the heavens and the earth, not only just through Thor, Thor being the son

02:57:27.440 of heaven and earth, but also through all of the Vanir who become Aesir. And the holy fray is 0.66

02:57:37.400 mentioned as being, you know, one of the most beloved Aesir. So by the time of the Old Norse,

02:57:43.720 you know, period, the difference between Vanir and Aesir were basically about origin, not about

02:57:52.520 intention, not about, like, divinity, whether it was less or more. The gods, I believe that

02:58:02.220 our ancestors did not look at the Vanir as less of or more of than the Aesir, but instead was a

02:58:11.860 preference based off of cultural needs. The reason why the holy fray started to kind of intermix in

02:58:19.120 the tripartite that was generally set, but in, you know, in, but amongst the Swedes, he started to

02:58:26.180 come in and it became, you know, in, in Uppsala, the mentioning of Thor being in the center and

02:58:35.500 the furious one and the fruitful one being to his side one i think that you know they were moving

02:58:42.380 the um the godsteads of the gods that they wanted and needed at the time um and that is

02:58:51.180 something that our ancestors did but you know that steps away from the germanic tripartite

02:58:57.660 or or sorry central european uh tripartite um where it seems to be that there was it was of

02:59:04.360 course, Teu or Tyr, Woden, and then Thor and Woden being in the center. So I think it's ultimately

02:59:16.660 just trying to disillusion things, change things, take them off the track, take them away from the

02:59:23.220 way that we've observed our ancestors and the way that they did things. And you see that a lot now

02:59:30.000 people are trying to uh let's say it's not in bad intentions they're just trying to be different

02:59:36.080 they're trying to do the edge um you know and catch catch the edge um and ultimately i just

02:59:42.880 i think it's ridiculous you cannot separate the two after if they focused on honoring um

02:59:52.960 particular gods who are of the vanir origin um i could understand that but to name a title um

03:00:02.800 that tells me that they're deliberately trying to remove them themselves from the 0.62

03:00:08.800 faith of the totality of the gods and i think that's absolutely ridiculous so

03:00:14.640 i have

03:00:25.600 vana true is a thing that i've encountered only a few times and i've only heard of it

03:00:32.880 really once in the real world conceptually online a lot of people just want to be different

03:00:41.760 and that's an attempt at being different sometimes a friend of mine went to sweden

03:00:49.520 and he met with some people that claimed to be vana true and it was just like a wife swap orgy thing 0.91

03:01:02.400 to where like dudes were trying to offer him like to have sex with their wives and stuff 0.92

03:01:08.000 and that a lot of the time that's what I think a lot of stuff

03:01:20.360 a couple of different currents I think lead to Vanitru for all the reasons it's

03:01:25.520 Fawn stated I don't think it's theologically sound the Vanir existing separate from the

03:01:33.020 isir exists in the most primordial pre-historical period of time that exists back in the beginning

03:01:44.780 very quickly in our lore they were incorporated the two melded together and are collectively

03:01:53.900 known as the icier if you are particularly devoted to myrther or frayer or freya then

03:02:04.220 also true is your religion and that's what you need to be part of when i have seen online issues

03:02:12.220 about of you know vanatru it's i don't know and i'm sure there's a word for this

03:02:23.900 Our people, part of our soul sickness, is this hyper-individuality on everything.

03:02:32.360 Something that has plagued modern house of truth for its entirety, and still to this day, and we fight through it, and we succeed regardless, and make the best of what we have, and we try to heal it the best we have.

03:02:47.940 And I think it's probably healthier now than it's ever been.

03:02:50.260 everyone wants to wipe the board clean and start fresh but with them running things

03:02:59.080 everybody thinks okay but you guys are all doing it wrong we need to do it my way

03:03:05.060 and then every single year needs to be year one

03:03:08.860 I'm proud that in the house true folk assembly we are in year 30 that may not seem enormous

03:03:19.660 but in the realm of modern house it's true it's huge every new person that comes along knows how

03:03:26.560 to do it better or those guys aren't the boss of me i'm going to do it my way and i'm going to name

03:03:31.960 it whatever in this case i'm going to name it vanatru and me and my you know whatever folks

03:03:40.540 are with me are going to do it this way and everyone wants to be different and i've encountered

03:03:45.740 this with a lot of different people i've seen it with people on the far left that are super woke

03:03:51.660 they just want to have fatty orgies and want to call it that i've seen it with people on the far

03:03:59.660 right that want to be you know super that way but everybody wants to be the king of their own little

03:04:08.060 backyard kingdom and it's really hurt us due to lack of cohesion over a long period of time and

03:04:15.420 lack of a clear definition of who we are and what we do and vanitru is an example of that i've never

03:04:24.460 seen that as being a legitimate expression of worshiping the vanier i've seen that as an excuse

03:04:31.580 for people do the exact same thing but only different with them being the boss or the exact

03:04:36.700 same thing so they're the king of the backyard you know camp chair big piece of chicken battle or 0.97

03:04:46.620 yeah we're vana true so we're all about lust and sexuality so let's have an orgy i've seen those 0.84

03:04:54.220 things literally as a result of that but none of those things move us forward i think it's like a

03:05:00.700 lot of the people that want to claim to be roca true or whatever there's just people that go out

03:05:07.580 of their way to we really like viking stuff in norse mythology but you guys are doing church stuff

03:05:14.780 and we want to do shoulder pelts and face paint and wife swapping stuff and i think that's really

03:05:26.540 where that lies. Now, here's the thing. A lot of different people have used the term Vanatru as like

03:05:31.000 an alternative position. It linguistically lends itself to that. So, Monk, whoever you're asking

03:05:38.180 about, they may be a completely different scenario that don't have anything in common with people

03:05:43.280 that I'm addressing. I don't know. I'm just addressing the issues, the people that I know

03:05:48.000 who have claimed to be Vanatru in the past. And again, it's not really something I've ever seen

03:05:53.780 or heard someone who practices that

03:05:57.200 or is that probably for 15 years or more,

03:06:02.320 but that's what I've got to add on the subject

03:06:06.200 for what it's worth.

03:06:07.440 I would say, obviously, there's the, you know,

03:06:11.680 more fluffy, degenerate side of things,

03:06:16.140 but if we were just to take it at a face value,

03:06:18.880 and I don't actually know if I've ever heard anybody

03:06:20.780 who was actually legit, devout, and pious

03:06:25.440 that used the word Vonertru to describe themselves.

03:06:28.420 But if I was to think of one,

03:06:30.180 my brain thinks of Gothi Odin

03:06:33.080 and how he considered himself a Theranos Gothi.

03:06:36.380 If there was a devout and pious side of

03:06:38.840 that could be called that,

03:06:40.260 it would probably be something like that in him.

03:06:43.160 And as a Gothi since 96, 0.76

03:06:46.080 he never once described himself

03:06:47.580 as anything other than Ausatru.

03:06:49.900 Yeah.

03:06:50.100 So, yeah, there you have it.

03:06:52.420 And he was a devoted phrase man all the days of his life, at least from that point forward.

03:06:57.000 I'm not sure where he was at before then, but literally he was a devoted phrase man when I was with him on his deathbed.

03:07:06.440 So, never once did he need to break off and form some kind of Vandertrue alternative.

03:07:18.000 Last question of the night.

03:07:20.100 from ryan orion wilkinson question did matt flavel the else harrier goethe watch my who

03:07:28.560 did the gods call song in the blues style i did i thought it was really entertaining

03:07:36.420 um it's a lot of fun i think ai music is really interesting again it's not perfect but i don't

03:07:47.480 how to make music so cool uh like i said i shared it around to the witten i thought it was fun i

03:07:54.440 enjoyed it there was a uh there's a nubian gentleman in uh at about two minutes and 30

03:08:05.960 something seconds in the video that that slide is probably not the best slide to be in the who

03:08:11.960 did the gods call video but other than that i thought it was really cool um again it's first

03:08:18.520 time i have heard something similar to that i slow to get on the ai train and really

03:08:29.960 do a lot of that or see a lot of what that is able to accomplish i think that's kind of

03:08:35.160 interesting i think it's interesting that you can do the same song in a bunch of different styles

03:08:40.920 i think it was interesting though because i didn't find it to be particularly bluesy um

03:08:48.840 i wonder on that what they can do to make it more

03:08:55.000 flavorful in whatever genre the attempt is at but yes i did absolutely listen to it

03:09:01.960 and i shared it with folks that i thought might be entertained by it so

03:09:06.040 uh oh oh we got another question and it came under the wire all right are there any afa members in

03:09:17.720 the netherlands i'm asking because i might spend some months there as a star at the start of the

03:09:23.160 new year when i'm done with military service uh no there are not but there will be when you spend a

03:09:31.000 few months there at the end of your military service and we would love to have more members

03:09:35.560 in the netherlands try to start something there just not sparta pete not

03:09:44.600 um i would say i would encourage him to you know find other also through or who are just disorganized

03:09:53.400 or or not you know together and try to you know plant that i think the outsider folk assembly

03:10:00.760 one of our biggest uh strengths is is that the warrior ethos and the pioneering ethos the idea

03:10:07.480 that you go and you plant a flag and you try to bring people together even if it's just four

03:10:12.520 people five people try to get in there look around see if you can find someone and and say hey you

03:10:19.480 know we're we're we're honoring the gods of our people and you know again you're going into the

03:10:26.680 land of forseti i would definitely make a pilgrimage to the island of forseti as well

03:10:33.320 so if you can and if you do that please take some pictures and share your trip and your

03:10:39.560 experience with us my experience in the netherlands was i had a layover in amsterdam when i flew to

03:10:49.320 copenhagen in and out of copenhagen one time on the way back we had a layover in amsterdam

03:10:55.720 the airport was the biggest most expansive airport i have ever been in

03:11:01.640 it was like its own city it was crazy um but yeah that's the only experience i have there i think

03:11:08.680 that's that's really neat i think what swan said is absolutely if you can find other outs of true

03:11:14.680 are there to talk to and get together with and see what they do and uh you know if you're so

03:11:21.240 inclined tell them about our house true folk assembly we would love to have members there

03:11:26.040 but either way i hope that you're able to find some folks there that worship the gods and i hope

03:11:31.960 that if you do you can come back and share that experience with us and we can you know learn a

03:11:37.560 little bit about it and enjoy it vicariously but it sounds like a lot of fun and a neat experience

03:11:44.600 um all right guys well thank you so much for joining us i'm gonna figure out what we're doing

03:11:52.460 next week i will be in transit to winter nights in new hampshire so unless something happens or

03:11:59.860 a changeover with the flight happens i will not be leading that broadcast but we will get something

03:12:05.920 planned that will be awesome i am hoping we can get uh whit and brandy on here it's been a little

03:12:10.940 while since she has talked to you guys and she is always you know somebody that you guys enjoy

03:12:16.540 listening to so that would be great um make it out to winter nights if you can i would love to

03:12:23.540 see you there new hampshire it's going to be cool literally figuratively it's also going to be

03:12:29.100 beautiful with the change of the leaves so uh hope to see you guys there and i will talk to you in

03:12:35.040 this format again in uh two weeks from now when i think we're going over the layer rig

03:12:44.400 is that what's next on our agenda oh uh i don't actually i'm because of the let me see yes

03:12:57.280 all right i'm glad i got that one right on the ordering cool so that's what we'll talk to you

03:13:03.360 guys about that'll be a really fun one i think it's really important one it's one that you

03:13:08.160 if you've read the australia it is a fundamental element of that so i'm looking forward to that

03:13:15.840 conversation with you guys until then hail the gods help folk of the afa remember victory never sleeps

03:13:33.360 We'll be right back.

03:14:03.360 We'll be right back.

03:14:33.360 Thank you.

03:15:03.360 Thank you.

03:15:33.360 We'll be right back.

03:16:03.360 Thank you.

Asatru Folk Assembly - October 03, 2024

10⧸2⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 117 - Baldrs draumar

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