Asatru Folk Assembly - October 22, 2026


10⧸21⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 224 - Prose Edda: Skáldskaparmál, Part 7

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.
00:03:11.660 I'm joined by my erudite colleague, Speckinger Spahn-Harrell, here to share his lore knowledge
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00:03:22.880 We are continuing our study through Scalds-Gappermau.
00:03:28.180 Well, it's part seven, so we're taking our time going through it, if that's okay, because
00:03:34.640 it is, it's an overarching theme, but the meat and potatoes of this program is responding
00:03:40.860 to your questions and interacting with the audience, one of the reasons that we do it
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00:03:51.020 If you have questions at any time during the show or any time the questions might come
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00:04:05.080 We'd be happy to answer those at our next available opportunity.
00:04:11.200 I'd like to start the show by giving a thanks to the good folk at Frasehof.
00:04:20.480 This last weekend was their Veteraniter event.
00:04:26.380 it was amazing my family and i went to that i just did a number of people that's kind of their
00:04:32.220 showcase event of the year or at least it was this year and uh it's really kind of a tentpole event
00:04:40.040 that spread the afa in a real participatory way to the east coast back in 2012 i believe so um 0.97
00:04:53.800 yeah it was a great thing to be able to finally celebrate that in a hof out there with those
00:05:01.320 folks and some people worked hard to make that happen um and that's at our hof in austin town
00:05:08.500 ohio so that was wonderful had a great weekend uh really amazing people amazing rituals um
00:05:16.760 and just a great time worshiping our gods and fellowshipping with our folks so
00:05:22.080 thank you to everybody who made that happen. It was awesome. I'm glad I got to meet
00:05:26.280 some of you there. And yeah, make sure to make it out to your local
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00:05:37.980 I highly encourage everybody to be maximally involved.
00:05:42.720 A couple of things. First up, Stephen in Japan donated $10 towards paying off
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00:06:02.920 Quentin in Arizona donated $10 each towards the pavilion at Sigurheim and towards paying
00:06:10.900 off phrase hop thank you quentin appreciate you gilbert page uh donated 150 dollars towards uh
00:06:20.500 the new york's hop restoration thank you so much gilbert you are always very appreciated
00:06:27.700 and isaac in missouri donated a thousand dollars towards uh restoring balder's steeple at balder's
00:06:37.140 talk. Thank you. That is amazing. Thank you so much for that. So yeah, we appreciate everybody's
00:06:42.760 generosity. An update on a couple of those things that we just talked about, the pavilion at
00:06:49.400 Sigurheim. Working on that now in complete, you know, full disclosure here, we had hoped to make
00:06:55.440 more progress than we have in order to be ready for next month's Einheriabloat. We got hit with
00:07:04.620 payment processor deal and that kind of changed up some stuff so still working on it still very
00:07:11.020 much looking forward to having that out there and making it happen we have a section of ground
00:07:16.460 cleared for where it is going to be and the earth leveled out in the area and we are going to be
00:07:22.140 putting in work on that hopefully this next month but uh yeah thank you for everybody who's been
00:07:27.660 generous to that still have about or we've paid 32.8 towards our goal so appreciate you guys
00:07:36.140 generosity um paying off at phrase off and again keep in mind we have had phrase off uh worked
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00:07:53.020 we are now 50.5 percent to the way of paying it off so thank you so much you guys have been
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00:08:18.440 mouths all right so spawn and i will be reading tonight from again i mentioned the scald scaper
00:08:28.200 mouth but that is a prosetta on the list bow dot um feel free to read whatever translation you may
00:08:39.160 have handy or you may like but that's where spawn and i will be reading from directly
00:08:43.640 and tonight we'll be starting with chapter 31 so you know make sure to find the place and get there
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00:09:41.460 of it and word of mouth is really important so if you know somebody else that might enjoy it
00:09:46.500 please spread the word that said got a couple of questions that have been emailed into us
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00:09:56.680 from jm many religious traditions practice some form of receptive meditation or silent prayer
00:10:07.720 is there a form of this that is appropriate for us it's fine what say you this is a interesting
00:10:17.960 We just had a conversation on prayer and how there is prayer that is outward prayer that could be done through song and all other manners of things.
00:10:33.280 I think that we've also covered it on VNS where vocalized prayer in our religion, culturally and across the board, there are things that happen in our religion that you can kind of observe and it's not necessarily written out.
00:10:54.480 And one of them is the vocalization of prayer, the emphasis that speaking out loud has significance.
00:11:04.720 However, that doesn't mean that contemplative prayer has no place.
00:11:14.900 But I would certainly say it's a lesser station.
00:11:21.280 I think that there comes a time where, and it's certainly from the divine standpoint, it doesn't necessarily even matter.
00:11:32.460 It's just that there is a moment in which things transmit between thought into action.
00:11:40.120 And that is a very important thing for our faith.
00:11:43.500 But we see it with many traditions, especially kind of focusing around perhaps esoteric things within Ausatru, sitting out and going under the cloak.
00:12:01.960 There are these isolating ceremonies and rituals that have been reported that involve looking inward, going inward.
00:12:13.840 But I think that meditative concentration and silent prayer are the formulations.
00:12:24.420 We always encourage folks that once you kind of set your mind to something, you should then do it.
00:12:34.140 And I think that that applies to prayer as well.
00:12:37.740 But prayer isn't always, I think people have a misconception that prayer is just as in that sense, a kind of internal dialogue only, and perhaps outward expression is painted with a different name, praise or penance or what have you.
00:13:03.680 But they all are prayer. I just think that there is a certain point where there is a value that's clearly emphasized in our religious culture and theology that's more important than the other.
00:13:18.540 And I would encourage people to look inward, meditate, and have prayer and look at it as kind of a primitive or proto-sense of your feelings, thoughts, and emotions with the gods that formulate into an action.
00:13:43.640 So I think the question in itself is really important.
00:13:52.880 And you talked about receptive meditation or silent prayer.
00:14:04.040 So I want to address the silent prayer part first.
00:14:07.760 And I suppose prayer means different things to different people.
00:14:11.800 but I think to most people, when they think of prayer,
00:14:17.020 they think of sending a message between themselves and the gods or the ancestors.
00:14:28.720 I talked about this the other day with Speckinger Erickson,
00:14:33.440 Um, and I don't, I know that the gods hear our prayers when we speak them.
00:14:46.260 I don't know that they saying the word here in this context doesn't make sense.
00:14:56.500 I don't know that they receive our prayers when those prayers are not spoken, but I don't
00:15:03.320 know that that's i don't know that they don't what i do know is there's a couple steps in making
00:15:11.600 something real thinking something makes it realer than not thinking it but speaking something into
00:15:22.580 existence takes it from an internal and puts it into the world so i think there's tremendous value
00:15:30.260 and i would encourage you to speak your prayers even even if just a whisper even low um but the
00:15:39.140 act of actually speaking the words makes them real in a way that thinking them does not
00:15:47.540 but from that i'd like to say receptive meditation a million percent uh someone in the chat uh
00:15:54.740 i believe isaac mentioned uh or out sitting our ancestors you know and there's lots of ways to do
00:16:05.380 this but the traditional out sitting idea is sitting on the mound of one of your the burial
00:16:13.300 mound of one of your ancestors and receiving ancestral you know wisdom that way uh that's
00:16:21.540 certainly something to do and i think that many people have experienced that in a less
00:16:28.020 overt religious context taking quiet moments in a graveyard and just reflecting and being
00:16:36.500 reverential that's powerful in and of itself i think even more so if you're actively engaged
00:16:43.620 in venerating the ancestors and then seeking their wisdom so i think that's absolutely a thing
00:16:51.220 but it doesn't have to be in a in a graveyard or a mound setting
00:16:57.700 a great many of us part of our
00:17:03.540 practice involves
00:17:09.220 involves being receptive and that is inherently meditative something that
00:17:16.980 I've described a few times on the program, one of the most basic and fundamental things that I did to begin actively worshiping our gods was to make an offering when I first came home to Ausitru and to let them know that I'm here, that I'm listening, that I want to build a relationship with them.
00:17:41.920 And then just sitting and listening and meditating and listening and being in that space and being receptive to their energy, to their inspiration, to their wisdom, to whatever they might want to send my way.
00:18:02.980 And I think that's at the core of what a great many of us do.
00:18:08.160 And I would highly encourage that.
00:18:10.080 So receptive meditation, absolutely.
00:18:13.640 Prayer.
00:18:15.900 Say something out loud, even if it's in a whisper.
00:18:18.720 I think there's a tremendous value in that.
00:18:22.580 Not saying the gods can't hear you or can't receive the message if it's another way.
00:18:29.200 But I do know they can receive the message if it's that way.
00:18:32.980 um up next laura all the way from sweden why of all the gods is ullr is is it ullr who takes up
00:18:45.420 odin's throne during the wild hunt does he have the all-fathers blessing to do so
00:18:51.020 svan what say you uh well i definitely think if it is being done then the blessing is
00:18:58.680 um i i really believe that much of this that is be being spoken of if you look back into the um
00:19:08.300 heimskringla and the yingetal when when they talk about the gods uh for instance they say oh lord
00:19:15.520 is the king of the swedes and when he dies he wants to be stabbed so that he can go to his god
00:19:22.860 and then Nyorth takes over. I do not believe that these are the gods, nor do I believe actually 0.99
00:19:31.080 that they're even euhammerizing the gods, but instead they are talking about the cults of
00:19:37.920 worship, that the return of many migration era warriors from Central Europe as they moved in,
00:19:47.680 they brought with them the emphasis of the cult of odin and that it they came in waves and that
00:19:59.120 if the uh cult of north went down or and then the cult of frey came up these were kind of more
00:20:08.000 royal houses and the emphasis of uh religions at the time and the only reason why i truly believe
00:20:15.760 this is because there is a great migration back to the north after Theodoric the Great takes over
00:20:24.400 Italy. And with that, there's new steel, new weapons, new tactics brought in that brings
00:20:35.140 a rejuvenation. So to my knowledge, I'm the only person that's ever proposed this idea that these
00:20:43.780 are cults of worship but um with that like they the idea that uh
00:20:57.140 these representations might also extend to other things for instance the worship of ular
00:21:06.020 as in the winter time for hunting now the tradition of also true that and i hate to say
00:21:12.260 this because but it is the truth i come from a tradition previous to me being in the church
00:21:20.020 and i say i hate to say that because the church is my house through it is also true but a lot of
00:21:27.300 us did come from scattered places and we picked up traditions from before and one of them was the
00:21:37.060 absolute uh kind of transition between the winter and that lord odin began the wild hunt and in his
00:21:45.460 stead the winter god ullur was given uh not rain or total rain but uh administrative uh focus and
00:21:58.260 i think that's really what this is it's an emphasis in showing the winter god is in power why
00:22:08.180 well i mean a lot of speculation as to the power of ulur in the scandinavian countries
00:22:15.140 of old and i think it was very very great um so with the processes of okay lord odin is going on
00:22:25.140 the wild hunt um we will pray to ulur and we pray to ulur at this time for very specific reasons
00:22:33.460 hunting and uh safe travel self-defense etc there's all of these things going on
00:22:40.580 and so it translates into he takes over and that is not necessarily wrong
00:22:50.660 If it was wrong, I don't think the gods would particularly condone or allow these things to kind of just continue to spread.
00:23:00.120 But the understanding of it is more nuanced, is that the folk are reaching out to Ullr during this time, as the folks should reach out to many of the gods throughout their life and throughout the cycle of the year.
00:23:14.960 I do not believe that Lord Odin wants to be the only one worshipped.
00:23:19.640 I don't think that Lord Odin sees strength, you know, the idea that, you know, the forest is what makes the power.
00:23:30.260 It's not just the singular tree.
00:23:32.280 You're not going to burn down the forest for the sake of one tree.
00:23:36.760 And that just like nature follows the divine, the multiplicity is very, very important.
00:23:44.080 and so this transactional uh moment kind of fits in the story now i will say the the what you are
00:23:55.620 quoting is from saxo grammaticus he was known to he turned his back on the gods he accepted the
00:24:03.600 religion from jerusalem he accepted the middle eastern semitic religion and he definitely you
00:24:10.380 hemorrhized the gods. But what I think he is also doing is writing out a hemorrhized version
00:24:19.940 of cultural functionality at the time. That the people are looking to Ullur and this is kind of
00:24:31.740 written out as a literal, he is taking over heaven. And the tradition that I come from is that Lord
00:24:39.900 Odin begins his wild hunt during Haustabloat, or Winter Finding, which was dedicated to Ullr
00:24:50.760 predominantly, and that Ullr would become a heavy focus while Lord Odin was out entering into a
00:25:00.720 function that is not very prayer answering uh the wild hunt definitely having some very fearful and
00:25:12.320 scary elements so the idea of praying to the gods praying to ulur for the hunt and i think
00:25:19.360 this may have changed over time as hunting has not uh has kind of decreased in our uh culture
00:25:28.320 But that's kind of where it comes from, that a lot of the writings that are going on here, they may seem like simple euhemorizations, but they are actually cults of worship and that the gods are the people.
00:25:43.860 And we know that. We talk about the gods being in our blood and being of the folk and being of the people.
00:25:49.500 And that's just what is being done. It's just being story told with the significance of what is happening.
00:25:58.320 of the time um we see this with uh adam of bremen and um his traveling to upsala and the the uh
00:26:08.560 tripartite at the time thor is lord thor is in the center and then he says the furious one and
00:26:15.840 the fruitful one are at his sides and we begin to see that the triplication is very important but
00:26:25.200 But those gods who fill the thrones that the folk are reaching out to, that changes.
00:26:35.800 So it's very fluid and that's perfectly fine.
00:26:41.440 The gods are not so jealous that they cannot allow the other divine beings in heaven have dominion over things.
00:26:55.200 yeah it
00:27:03.880 saxo
00:27:06.720 trying to think of how to describe
00:27:12.220 guest at the norm
00:27:14.480 yeah
00:27:15.540 it is apocryphal
00:27:19.500 I don't know it's
00:27:21.560 we so
00:27:22.980 of these sources of lore
00:27:27.120 we do not put a lot of trust and faith in the guest of the norm it is fun it is interesting and
00:27:36.080 i do think it adds elements and it adds things i think there's legitimate lore contained within it
00:27:42.640 but there's also a lot that is not there are a great many things that are fanciful that are in
00:27:51.080 effort to uh humorize the gods there are wild diversions that are very strange so i don't
00:28:01.800 subscribe to the like hostile takeover of the throne of asgard and the things that way
00:28:12.840 but i do think that there is truth about during the winter we were having special authority and
00:28:18.360 a special prominence in that season and i think that's absolutely the case nor do i think that
00:28:24.520 any of the gods of asgard can like usurp the throne against the will of odin or whatever and
00:28:32.440 that's kind of laid out clearly in the lore that the end of uh edit lore that they serve odin as
00:28:41.400 children to a father and that that's really not you know so i don't believe that there is this
00:28:48.920 animosity that reference is found to my knowledge only one place and in the guest of the norm which
00:28:55.000 is a i don't know a a source that i am highly skeptical of because uh much of it is not found
00:29:04.840 or confirmed in any way other places but what you do have is them having a dramatic
00:29:12.680 different take on poems in vieta's different times you can see points of connectivity but
00:29:21.560 you also see a really really different uh story laid out by saxo what i do like about uler lore
00:29:30.440 from saxo i think that's the only place they talk about his magical bone he's got a magical bone
00:29:37.400 that he like goes across the sea on and it's always just fascinated me because it sounds so
00:29:42.140 strange and so random um but yeah so go ahead uh the turning um i think that's part of the
00:29:52.960 um turning the uh gods into crafty and cunning wizards that tricked our ancestors i think that
00:30:02.940 was another reiteration of that um just to kind again to emphasize they they do it with lord othen
00:30:10.020 all the time and in fact he's easy to do it but we can see it every now and then and i wonder too
00:30:16.380 you know if there was another place say because scandinavia obviously in the winter time but
00:30:22.620 I'd say another place in which Lord Odin goes on the wild hunt and it is a tradition of the people to lend their worship towards Lord Frere or towards Lord Thor or however it may work out.
00:30:42.240 And then that is written by a person who is no longer of that religion and really no longer of the people.
00:30:50.800 And he writes it that, oh, it seems that the dominion of heaven is taken over by Lord Thor in the wintertime because of Lord Odin.
00:31:01.660 And I don't necessarily think that Lord Odin would look at that afoul, and I'm not speaking for Lord Odin, but it's, again, the wild hunt and this time frame is clearly an established point of our cosmological movement that for that to happen would be, yes, the wild hunt is going.
00:31:29.700 why wouldn't people reach out uh at this time but it it's more organic obviously with lord uller
00:31:37.980 and the fact that it's scandinavia and so yeah so we have a follow-up from laura also about um
00:31:47.360 wild hunt i read in a children's book uh uh vison's uh spirits and monsters of scandinavian
00:31:58.360 folklore by Johan Egerkranz that the wild hunt is hunting the Skogra, Skogra, I don't
00:32:13.180 know how you pronounce the A with the O with the little dot over top of it. Anyways, but
00:32:20.520 The Skoggra, Skoggra, wood nymph.
00:32:26.400 So do you know of any source which confirms this
00:32:29.660 or references what the wild hunt is hunting?
00:32:34.240 Is it significant to know what the wild hunt's prey is?
00:32:38.500 Any thoughts on that, Swan?
00:32:40.240 Couple of things.
00:32:41.080 One, the Skogsgra or Skogsgra,
00:32:44.620 again, I'm used to the dash above the A.
00:32:46.840 I know is the empty backed timber Lanveteer, the kind of the warning. And I feel like the
00:32:57.100 Christianization of our folk did bring in a lot of stuff. And this is another great example.
00:33:03.440 So instead of, they always seem to focus on and dominionizing the past traditions by
00:33:16.080 kind of enacting that the wild hunt is going after a wood nymph and uh in the celto germanic
00:33:26.600 areas it still remains too that the wild hunt is going after a um a land spirit if you will but
00:33:35.380 um if you look up who is the wild hunt actually hunting um from my traditions that i i've grown
00:33:48.360 up with since the early early 90s um the wild hunt is a psychopomp functionality if i was to
00:34:00.460 look at it uh from as an observer uh i was always of the of the teachings that lord odin is uh at
00:34:13.460 the end of the year when the veil is the thinnest he rides out and he doesn't ride out with the
00:34:20.560 he is riding out with the multitudes of the of kind of the hounds or maybe even the hounds of
00:34:29.680 and that he is ferrying over lost souls or souls that were from outlaws, crossroads, confused soldiers, etc.
00:34:46.500 And that the wild hunt at the closing of Haustblot, Lord Odin rides out to gather these souls, to return them to the mound, the underworld, to Helgarth, to Hel or Helheim or whatever title we, you know, there's so many titles for it, but to return beyond the veil.
00:35:13.600 so the thinning of the veil kind of coalesces with this and so the gathering of the lost souls
00:35:22.720 and the psychopomp function is in this wild hunt the the searching every corner kind of uh again
00:35:33.360 just the hunting um motif of it and that every soul gathered is is the another soul in the wild
00:35:43.600 hunt until he can bring them down and it it's it's also met with that that fear don't get you
00:35:51.040 know lost on the road don't be confused for a lost soul in the frenzy of the wild hunt
00:35:57.920 don't be out late at night on the cold wintry nights and that you know a foul northern wind
00:36:05.280 could come and and ride down over the trees upon you and you know take you up because they confused
00:36:12.880 you for a lost soul and so that was always the predominant function of the wild hunt was that
00:36:22.560 it was ultimately to bring souls to the underworld to bring them to rest during a time of the thinning
00:36:31.040 of the uh veil because there is a the possibility that they uh are disconnected in some way from
00:36:43.280 um the their ancestors or that the death process was in some way so jarring that it it interrupted
00:36:52.360 the processes if you will they couldn't find the road they didn't have the ability to walk
00:36:58.180 with uh good shoes if we're talking specifically norse um uh so that kind of function um
00:37:10.360 is really really important um i think that it's also important because it crosses over between
00:37:18.400 um the celto-germanic line the there is gaulish traditions and there is uh
00:37:27.040 germanic traditions and that's one of the most unique points of this tradition
00:37:33.160 yeah what spawn said i think that the tradition of the wild hunt has evolved over time
00:37:43.880 um a heads up to producer nick we gotta fix spawns away avatar um
00:37:54.100 yeah i think there's a
00:37:58.800 i was fond and i don't know that this is the conclusive be all end all answer but i do think
00:38:07.640 that during the time where the veil is thin
00:38:12.480 odin and restless spirits it's a time to kind of scoop up wayward souls and
00:38:23.600 bring them beyond the veil usher them where they need to be and
00:38:30.480 scoop up any living along the way that might run afoul of the huntsman or run afoul of the hunt
00:38:40.020 and find themselves you know wayward and outlawed and in a odd spot in the in the woods at night
00:38:50.460 So I do think there's a ghastly, you know, harvesting of wayward souls that need passage on to whatever's next in their case.
00:39:06.560 So we have had donations from Angela in Maine.
00:39:12.600 She donated 50 towards the Njortzhof restoration.
00:39:16.840 Thank you so much for that.
00:39:18.140 and uh Leroy in Michigan donated $25 to the pavilion $25 towards the New York's off restoration
00:39:27.820 and $20 towards paying off race hall so we thank you guys for your generosity that's very much
00:39:35.060 appreciated oh my apologies um I was kind of flagging at the end there because I had a child
00:39:42.800 messing with something off to the side,
00:39:47.020 so I had to step away to kind of deal with that.
00:39:51.720 You're fine.
00:39:52.600 Nick's got to set you up with the little away avatar thing he made
00:39:57.920 because it entertains me.
00:40:03.340 Random, go.
00:40:05.160 Oh, I was going to say, just speaking of that,
00:40:09.660 the 12 day traditions, the, uh, the night of Lord Odin happens right before the night of Ullr
00:40:18.660 for Yule. And that was always the return that Lord Odin, we, uh, I would place out, actually
00:40:25.740 we, there was quite a few of us, um, that would place out, um, rumple mints. I don't know why
00:40:33.400 the rumplements became uh kind of that little tiny cultural tradition in our little corner
00:40:41.000 um and apples for slepnir and for lord ovin and that was his return from the wild hunt that he
00:40:50.040 had ran the the souls back and had you know now returned to heaven and it was a great
00:40:56.680 arduous journey and this coincided with the end of yule or near the end of yule
00:41:04.280 yeah i've uh something in recent years i haven't done as much and i need to
00:41:11.000 need to reinstate i used to always leave uh
00:41:16.200 sometimes we leave a shot or something certainly always you know an apple out for uh for slepner
00:41:25.080 we usually do that what kind of sources i i think it's just uh answering the not only who
00:41:33.240 who or what is being hunted but also to like kind of when does it end and for me it has always been
00:41:40.680 uh you know what would be the 28th of december the uh odin's night of yule
00:41:50.920 so uh random funny guy if ethnicity determines what religion you should be
00:41:58.120 doesn't this make truth
00:42:00.540 relative? Do
00:42:02.260 conflicting folk religions mean that
00:42:04.520 one is wrong if their myths
00:42:06.260 conflict? This appears
00:42:08.380 especially prominent in
00:42:10.340 creation myths. Doesn't
00:42:12.520 one have to be correct?
00:42:15.000 Or doesn't one have to be right?
00:42:17.600 Svon, what are your
00:42:18.500 thoughts towards that?
00:42:21.840 I've
00:42:22.560 kind of tackled this question
00:42:24.640 quite often, not on
00:42:26.600 VNS, but
00:42:28.120 um especially you get this from monotheistic or perhaps even die-hard neoplatonists um
00:42:36.760 the the biggest point is if the religion desperately says they are the only way the
00:42:44.280 only truth even if there's evidence that's set before it um they they expunge it if if the story
00:42:53.160 of the floods of the sumerians and the babylonians um precede the flood of the judeans uh by thousands
00:43:02.920 of years doesn't matter there's still one truth and it's that truth specifically so i always find
00:43:08.760 this kind of funny but no the truth is not relative um if the sources are different the
00:43:19.560 source of a people is the truth um and a whole other people can take on the truth of another
00:43:29.560 people we see this with christianity um and it morphs you know the the the trinity is added in
00:43:38.640 um instead of passover it's the last supper instead of a rabbi or a messiah or a messiah
00:43:46.360 it's a christos yeah this happens uh and then you see like even in india um where the araya
00:43:56.120 come in and then the gods of the araya have now morphed um so they're influenced but i think at
00:44:06.160 the end of the day european most european christians uh still kind of reduce themselves
00:44:15.160 down to sun light and sky worship but it gets all very tricky once they open up the torah and start
00:44:26.520 reading sections of the torah and then and following those things um so despite people
00:44:36.120 intermixing we see this synthesization this this molding but you never see the faith of a
00:44:44.840 people completely override another people the the the truth for those people take that outside and
00:44:55.240 bend it to them so the truth is in in the blood and the soul of the people and the fact that there
00:45:04.120 are multiple people in the world doesn't make the truth relative it just makes the that the truth
00:45:11.560 is for us a singular truth of our sourcing um it would be like attempting to say that all living
00:45:22.600 organisms um you know boil down into one thing now i know that's kind of a popular
00:45:31.240 note that scientists try to do they try to put one place on the map where we're
00:45:37.160 from or one sort of being that we all source from and then time and time again we find science is
00:45:46.680 dashed against the rocks when they find out no there's multiple sources because
00:45:54.760 nature which works in the wake of the divine is always in multiplicity never in singularity
00:46:02.840 and it can't be things don't grow in singularity stagnancy is the great singularity and that's not
00:46:14.720 the truth so what comes out of that is the truth in multiplicity the truth for others or really
00:46:24.940 i'm not concerned of whether or not it is true for them or not i'm sure that it will affect their
00:46:31.640 actions if they believe it to be true it will affect their actions i am only concerned with
00:46:37.320 what is true for my people because it is sorry no this is
00:46:52.360 so it's a very good question and i think that it's something that if we're honest
00:46:59.880 Yes, everybody wonders.
00:47:02.640 And there's a couple of things here.
00:47:09.360 We have some people that are deeply spiritual that search for things that are true and meaningful.
00:47:19.260 We have other people, and increasingly we have people who come from atheism.
00:47:24.660 And I don't think that they are being insincere, but they have an inherent cynicism about religion.
00:47:38.660 They are traditionally minded and they long for tradition, which has been lost.
00:47:44.420 And so they know religion is a thing and should be a thing.
00:47:50.780 And so they presuppose, they presuppose certain things.
00:47:59.920 So it is very important to me and to the rest of my colleagues in the AFA that we present
00:48:08.980 truth the best that we understand it and that we're honest on things that we don't know
00:48:15.480 and that we're honest on things that might not be knowable.
00:48:20.780 Some people wouldn't articulate it this way, but because they come from a place of atheism, they're like, man, if you're just going to make up some religion, why don't you have some better answers to these questions?
00:48:35.680 And yes, if I was making up a religion out of whole cloth, I would have very satisfying answers to all the questions, I promise you.
00:48:45.020 But I'm not. I'm practicing a religion that is very real and true and fundamental to our race.
00:48:54.700 And Svon and I are expressing those truths the best that we know them.
00:49:00.440 And we are seeking to understand them the best that we are able to comprehend them.
00:49:04.900 So I say that to say this.
00:49:06.600 something that is true no matter what if you are a scientist if you are a person of faith
00:49:14.260 if you are a person of faith who is a christian or you're a jew or a hindu or a native american
00:49:22.800 you know or if you're absolutely true you will always have the yeah but what came before that
00:49:32.720 The way that our human brain is designed, we can't comprehend a point where you wouldn't have a, well, what came before that?
00:49:44.600 Cool, the Big Bang.
00:49:46.140 Okay, but what was there before the Big Bang?
00:49:48.280 Where did that come from?
00:49:50.360 Okay, well, what was there before that?
00:49:53.320 Well, then what was before that?
00:49:54.820 There's no way for science to answer that.
00:49:56.820 if you're a christian you know in the beginning the spirit of god hovered over the surface of
00:50:05.300 the deep okay cool but what came before where did he come from what came before that
00:50:10.240 whatever answer you give well what before that and the same is true with anyone's faith because
00:50:18.120 just the nature of reality there's always a yeah but what was before that so i think that is a truth
00:50:25.880 One thing I think that's very important about our lore, and as I understand it, most indigenous lore, it's not about science.
00:50:37.960 It's about explaining to a people where they came from.
00:50:44.800 And so the big cosmic pieces are about us.
00:50:53.720 Where did we come from?
00:50:55.140 how did we come about how is our world our soul shape so yes every different group of people is
00:51:05.860 going to have a different expression of the shaping of the universe or the shaping of earth
00:51:13.220 or some of these distant things that occur well before the existence of the people that they are
00:51:19.780 talking to but the point of the lore is never to make that make sense or be scientifically accurate
00:51:29.700 that's not the purpose the purpose is to describe the shaping of the world that these folk have
00:51:36.820 found themselves in and the relationship between their gods and their folk much the same with ours
00:51:44.500 it's not to say that there are not scientific truths present in it but when we deal in a time
00:51:52.800 that pre-exists humanity the point is to explain to us how our folk and our worldview and our
00:52:03.280 understanding and orientation in existence came about talks about our gods and how they
00:52:15.060 shape things and the things that they ordered and their primal elements that compose who they are
00:52:22.200 and it talks about how they found what was before us and made us into who we are and shaped the
00:52:32.280 souls of Aryan man and woman. Yes, each indigenous faith has a different story about how
00:52:41.140 those folks came about and about their gods. It's not my place to say whether those faiths
00:52:57.040 are legitimate for those people or not it's not my yeah it's not my place to condemn them and
00:53:03.200 say that they're not relevant their relevancy is between those gods and those folk and
00:53:13.040 they have an inherent right to figure that out and to express that so long as it doesn't um
00:53:21.920 conflict or you know negatively butt up against what we're doing that's kind of their business to
00:53:29.040 handle i know it's not a complete answer to the question but fundamentally
00:53:35.840 no it is legitimate there is absolute truth i think that honestly nobody has the ultimate claim
00:53:46.160 to all of the absolute truth because again what truth but what about before that but what about
00:53:52.320 before that there's always a layer of truth that's going to exceed our grasp at least in this realm
00:54:05.360 so where i think the truth becomes different is when a different religion
00:54:16.160 wants to express our existence in their religious context.
00:54:23.180 So when, you know, Christianity, for example,
00:54:27.780 medieval Christianity were to decide that our gods are demons
00:54:32.160 and that there is some relationship that, of course, 0.99
00:54:37.640 they express in a favorable way towards them
00:54:39.820 and a negative way towards us between our gods and their god,
00:54:44.120 that's presumptuous and i don't and that yes there has to be some truth to whether that
00:54:51.740 exists or it doesn't and i would say that it doesn't so it's a long-winded answer to your
00:54:58.920 question but no i don't think there is a
00:55:02.240 there is not an inherent conflict because the point of the myth isn't to express the scientific
00:55:11.500 formation of things it's to express from the point of view of our ancient ancestors relationship
00:55:20.400 with their gods how they came to be and how the world around them relates to them in their
00:55:27.840 existence i think that's true and i think that's likely true for other groups of people in their
00:55:34.400 over in their pursuit of divinity.
00:55:40.740 Austin asks,
00:55:42.440 Greetings, Allsherry, Goofy, Matt, Speckner, Spawn,
00:55:46.200 and Fort Willard, Nick.
00:55:48.540 I hope you all are doing well this evening.
00:55:51.020 It was nice to see you again, Matt,
00:55:52.900 at Freyshof Vettelniger.
00:55:55.500 Maybe a dumb question, but it's been on my mind. 1.00
00:55:58.840 I have mixed feelings on non-whites 0.99
00:56:01.020 giving gifts to our gods. 1.00
00:56:03.380 On one hand, it's ridiculous.
00:56:05.920 But on the other hand, I don't think that gods should be limited in any way
00:56:09.800 and are allowed to receive gifts from any source given in good faith.
00:56:14.000 Do the gods ignore the gifts of other races?
00:56:17.620 Anyways, thanks for what you do.
00:56:20.500 You're welcome, Austin.
00:56:22.460 Svon, what are your thoughts on that?
00:56:24.500 And for the record, it's not a dumb question.
00:56:27.960 Svon, what are your thoughts on that question?
00:56:29.960 No, this is a really great question.
00:56:32.300 And I would first lead off by saying, I don't know if the gods refuse or accept,
00:56:39.920 and I am in no position to speak on the gods' behalf as to who they do or do not.
00:56:49.720 That is entirely within their dominion.
00:56:54.040 But I can look across time and see different kind of overlays, if you will, and we find, as we just spoke about, the morphing of religions that kind of always end up morphing to the blood because the moment they leave the people of their origin, 0.86
00:57:19.240 They they turn into something that is uniquely of those people's blood. 0.72
00:57:27.720 And then you have these people gifting to a God that is not of their ethnicity.
00:57:35.820 Christianity and Hinduism are the first two big ones that I think of.
00:57:42.340 And, you know, the changing of the vocabulary.
00:57:45.840 Al-Shergoli was talking about them demonizing our gods, but the word demon is Greek and has a totally different meaning than the word Shedim, which is what they spoke in the Middle East at the time.
00:58:02.420 And so that word has become negative simply because of the functionality that was needed.
00:58:13.420 So the gods, they are their own and willful and beyond our selves, our biology and our material world.
00:58:30.020 um but from a personal standpoint i think there's nothing wrong with saying these are my gods these
00:58:38.020 are the gods of my people and um you should be honoring the gods of your people and and that's
00:58:47.860 really the one of the nicest ways of saying you know stop but not necessarily in a sense where
00:58:56.740 You have to you have to act. And we see this over and over and over again.
00:59:04.940 The Judeans were very upset when Saul of Tarsus decided he was going to convert the goyim or the Latin word Gentile.
00:59:17.520 He was going to convert them to their religion in a kind of, not only like pseudo, but also for the Judeans, it was heretical.
00:59:28.720 So they were very upset about that.
00:59:31.300 And they did try to physically stop it quite often.
00:59:34.900 They did it with the Hellenics too. 0.65
00:59:37.320 If you ever look up the history of Hanukkah, there are many Judeans that are converting to the Hellenic paganism.
00:59:46.420 and they are very mad and they kill a lot of them um no i think from our position is is that we are
00:59:55.780 able to because we have built a strong house so in the house our folk and our gods are one um if
01:00:05.060 there are folk outside of the house that give to the gods of our folk that's between the gods and
01:00:13.060 and them or i would just say that that's between them and if the gods receiver don't
01:00:20.500 that's not my concern um but it doesn't it doesn't involve any sense or warrant of degree
01:00:30.420 of concern what should be concerned is are are our people giving to the gods of their blood of to of
01:00:41.300 their origin and if they are not then they should be shown to come home come home come back to the
01:00:52.580 origin all of the problems that you're having these these kind of missing teeth in the sprockets
01:00:58.100 the the reason why it doesn't always quite fit the reason why it's always like an itch you cannot
01:01:04.580 scratch uh is because it's not in you it's not for you and it's not of you so you should come home
01:01:16.340 but outsiders doing it and even outsiders doing things like semi-honorific um where they create
01:01:26.180 stories or uh again comic books are a perfect example the gods are spoken about and the value
01:01:34.020 of that is is that our folk may see those things and that might be the little tinge of inspiration
01:01:39.940 the ember that's needed to light them to pursue the truth um and that was entirely started by
01:01:47.460 people who are not folk so um i don't think there's anything that runs afoul to it it's just
01:01:54.660 perspective um but ultimately the gods do their own that i will say either way yeah it's a
01:02:05.620 i appreciate the tone of the question as well so
01:02:15.300 it is right and appropriate that our folk give gifts to our gods and that our gods bless our
01:02:24.180 folk that is how it's supposed to work that is how it does work that is the right way to do things
01:02:34.100 that said our gods have consciousness and agency they also have authority to do as they will
01:02:44.020 it is my job as the all's here to go feed to
01:02:46.900 impart the truth of the Iser to our folk to the best of my understanding, the best of my ability,
01:02:54.760 and to instruct the folk on the proper worship of the Iser. It is not my job to instruct the 0.89
01:03:04.700 Iser on who they can and can't accept gifts from. That is entirely up to them. I don't have any 1.00
01:03:12.220 reason to believe that the physics involved make it not possible. I don't know whether they're
01:03:18.940 inclined to or disinclined to accept gifts from other earth fauna in whatever form that takes,
01:03:29.140 but that is certainly a decision for them to make. What I do know is that we are obliged to
01:03:37.840 give gifts to our gods, and that they smile upon us and give us their blessings when they
01:03:44.800 find us worthy. I know that does happen, and that is the right way to do Alcindra.
01:03:52.840 Another question, new here, what are the AFA's views about abortion and drug use?
01:03:57.720 Robert, welcome. I'm glad you're listening to the show tonight. So those things are a little bit
01:04:04.460 nuanced um abortion is bad killing babies is bad unequivocally it is bad now are there occasions
01:04:19.820 to where it might be warranted or it might be the better of many bad options certainly
01:04:29.840 and we try to you know leave the particulars of that to the people making those decisions but
01:04:40.820 killing babies is bad that is always a bad thing and when i say exceptions and stuff there are
01:04:49.440 situations where there is um expectancy of pain and suffering to where there's a medical concern
01:04:59.160 with the mother's life or various things that way there's a lot of different details 0.97
01:05:06.600 but as a principle yes killing killing babies is bad killing 0.98
01:05:13.480 aryan babies that would grow to be part of of our folk and to participate with us and be part of our 0.98
01:05:20.040 shield wall that is always a sad and lamentable thing and never something to celebrate or to be 0.82
01:05:27.240 cavalier about thinking that that's okay it's not um drugs are different and i know that we have a
01:05:38.760 lot of people that are very straight edge and i respect that but at the position of the austral
01:05:44.040 folk assembly intoxicants aren't bad because they intoxicate they're bad because people
01:05:53.480 some of them are and again they're not all the same thing some of them are very very dangerous
01:06:01.480 many of them are illegal some of them are not so when we talk about drugs
01:06:09.160 for it to be a principle of the afa there needs to be a principle at play of what we consider
01:06:15.800 drugs and what we consider medicine and i'm not playing a game of semantics because it does change
01:06:21.400 especially we see that with medical marijuana versus recreational marijuana there's plenty of
01:06:29.000 medical uses for drugs that we embrace that are fine we tend to take a very negative use or a
01:06:36.680 negative look at drug use when it becomes illegal some of that is very arbitrary depending upon the
01:06:42.600 regulating what decisions to make principle is don't do things that are unhealthy for you and
01:06:51.480 your family don't succumb to addiction there are some and this extends to other things like i'm
01:07:01.320 sitting here drinking meat right now it's an intoxicant i don't have a problem with alcoholism
01:07:07.400 i don't have an addiction so i don't find that there's anything wrong with it a different
01:07:13.720 person in a different circumstance where they do have those problems it might be completely
01:07:18.840 inappropriate for them so we one of the things that we embrace and also true is responsibility
01:07:28.280 as aryan men and women certainly as adults to make decisions about their life and to choose
01:07:35.480 how they want to live and how they're able to live based on their ability based on knowing
01:07:39.960 themselves and taking responsibility for their actions i will say in our ancestors day there's
01:07:47.560 reason to believe that hallucinogenics had a ritual use there's absolute proof that alcohol
01:07:56.920 had a ritual and social use those things weren't frowned upon but we have many admonitions in the
01:08:05.240 have a mouth about you know don't meet means not as good for the sons of men as as they think that
01:08:12.440 it is and to you know be very cautious about drunkenness and things so the answer is very
01:08:20.680 nuanced i know it's cooler have like thou shalt and thou shalt not answers on it but
01:08:27.560 there is more nuance in this case than i think some some might like but responsibility is the key
01:08:35.160 taking ownership of the choices that you make and not being controlled by addiction are i think key
01:08:41.640 principles that the australian holds that relate to drug use and also we would never want to
01:08:48.280 encourage people to do things that are illegal in the jurisdiction that they live in swan
01:08:54.840 do you have anything to add on either of those two uh pieces yeah there is um always kind of this uh
01:09:07.880 i i don't know perhaps it's it's an attempt to weaponize things and i try not to look at it
01:09:14.920 too often this way but it does happen and someone will say oh but in the lore long ago
01:09:23.720 uh they left babies out uh in the cold and um so what what does that mean if if that if that
01:09:36.040 happened and yet in the same story it speaks about how there were the the folk themselves around
01:09:45.560 these people did not look at it as either you can interpret it as well in the sense
01:09:50.920 that it's it's a tragedy or that it is wrong but those folks are never considered often
01:10:01.080 and they should be is that culturally there were people against it based on the context
01:10:09.240 based on the responsibility it would be like saying that all ukrainians um are cannibalistic
01:10:19.720 because the bolsheviks forced them into a situation where there may have been some things
01:10:28.600 that you know uh like being so starving that they have to to go into these ultra survival modes
01:10:37.800 that kind of conceptualization is really only laid out to weaponize and that when people are
01:10:47.000 unable to look at a situation they negatively want to attack something so then they will paint
01:10:55.840 that so i have seen that before in relation to both um sacrifice and uh children and things of
01:11:07.000 of the past especially without considering any of the other uh points of context and then the other
01:11:14.520 is um as you had said as a year ago the the the usage of herbal and psychoactive um
01:11:29.400 natural elements of the earth around us is across the board for all different peoples and um some
01:11:39.320 may be coded and some is out in the open and and it's very scant in our lore um especially the
01:11:47.000 details but it is about that responsibility and the essence of using things to open barriers
01:11:59.720 thresholds in our minds under religious versus recreational i think that's a new element i don't
01:12:07.880 think that it was often um ever really an issue in the recreational field um because it was hard
01:12:16.840 to attain or hard to to uh do or dangerous even for novices or people who didn't have any knowledge
01:12:24.840 to do things um so it was always very much in the realm of the esoteric and initiated but
01:12:31.960 But the living folk, our living religion now brings it into context. 0.63
01:12:43.000 And we always, I think, lead at, it is not good to kill your children.
01:12:52.060 So it's worth putting out here. 0.98
01:12:56.080 This sounds like an absurd thing to say.
01:12:59.120 but we live in very strange time and there is truly evil chaotic forces out in this world
01:13:09.020 to where people celebrate infanticide and celebrate um numbers of abortions
01:13:17.500 this is on one level very evil it's on another level a
01:13:25.200 shocking neon sign of tremendous mental illness and unwellness
01:13:33.780 and we live in a day and age where unfortunately it doesn't go without saying so 0.97
01:13:40.540 So, unequivocally, killing babies is bad.
01:13:45.040 I wish I didn't have to say that, but this is the world that we are currently in.
01:13:49.980 I hope by the time that our children are here having, you know, V&S episode 3000, that wouldn't need to be made so clear.
01:14:00.860 um being asked question what's the best spiritual morning routine
01:14:08.860 upon waking up to make the most of your day it's fine do you have thoughts on that
01:14:13.860 uh i mean to be honest i don't really do a like routine um i have i did when i was younger i also
01:14:28.180 did while i was in the military um so i think to we find ourselves doing these things not so much
01:14:37.300 as a cross cultural point but at significant times in our lives um i know that for me it it was
01:14:48.420 to gain control of chaotic environs um but as life and you know comfort or i guess stability um
01:15:03.060 becomes at that point you know it kind of stops becoming a practice or it starts becoming a
01:15:10.820 practice when the chaos kind of enters in so i think if we are the adults in the room saying
01:15:18.900 hey it is good to do this or it's certainly good to start your day with a specific routine i think
01:15:27.220 it's also good to understand that sometimes it is not the entirety of your life it is um
01:15:33.300 um it is done more in in the pitch of what is happening in your life or if you feel particularly
01:15:44.580 drawn away um from the divine or if you're battling with these moments and in a way it's
01:15:54.140 another form of prayer uh it's it's not the internal and it's not the verbal it's kind of
01:16:00.700 the external in a way. However, I think one of the best ways to do this and is so moving
01:16:13.840 and getting your lymphatic system to move in the form of runic movement. And I don't want to say
01:16:23.760 runic stances because that implies static um and i again speaking of the tradition i i come from as
01:16:32.980 we are um we are a united rope and we can still trace ourselves back to when we were simple strings
01:16:41.000 my usage of utilizing breath work and runic esoteric kind of practices but the point of
01:16:57.220 them were was to move the body in such a way that I was compressing and circulating the lymphatic
01:17:06.160 system and stretching. And I think that that is the best way to start waking up.
01:17:14.780 You know, running immediately, which I did a lot of in the Marine Corps, I don't recommend
01:17:20.880 right away. But no, getting your body to move, getting the secondary circulatory system that
01:17:29.760 doesn't have a heart to function and move and remove the toxins and do those things and it just
01:17:38.100 happened to be in the tradition i was in that uh we would do the the runic etter or eiter um
01:17:47.980 and each of course having spiritual significance and then we would incorporate breathing
01:17:53.300 and Galdr. And this became a whole practice. But if I was to boil it down, it was lymphatic
01:18:03.240 stimulation and stretching. And I think that's the best way to go. And structuring your own,
01:18:11.740 if you were to do lymphatic stretches that you found online, and then in between, say,
01:18:20.260 Every three exercises, you take a moment to say a prayer or go out and you're doing this to the sun or however you might want to do it.
01:18:34.860 You can formulate it that way, but I definitely think these are one of the best ways to get your body going because we often don't consider the elasticity of our muscles and we don't consider the toxins built up in our lymph nodes.
01:18:49.620 So how you do it, I think, is more up to you and what's available to you.
01:18:58.220 Yeah, so like Svon, I really don't have a morning practice that I do.
01:19:07.500 It's interesting.
01:19:08.980 Some people are wired really different.
01:19:10.700 Some people are morning people.
01:19:11.960 Some people are night owls.
01:19:13.960 Some people, you know, maybe a mixture somewhere in between.
01:19:17.540 I'm not sure.
01:19:18.960 I like to do more of my spiritual prayer and meditation and any of those things.
01:19:27.820 I like to do those in the evening.
01:19:28.860 I like to do those in the evening and kind of let that lead into hopefully meaningful dreams
01:19:37.740 and meaningful absorbing those things in my subconscious during the night.
01:19:43.100 but i will say um i've known a number of people that like to do their meditation work
01:19:52.360 in the morning like to do the receptive kind of meditation that we spoke about earlier on
01:19:57.280 to open the program um i also know that people will including our founder steve mcgillen and
01:20:07.280 They like to do the Sigriffimau prayer before going out with their day.
01:20:13.720 They like to go, you know, take a step outside and face the sunrise and recite the Sigriffimau prayer.
01:20:27.040 I have known other people that have kind of a, you know, a small ritual.
01:20:31.280 they'll say uh you know they make an affirmation or say a small prayer before they put on their
01:20:36.400 hammer to go about the day and leave the house i know that uh sometimes that's something that
01:20:43.760 i'll do or something that my daughter and i'll do if we're going to leave the house to go about our
01:20:47.600 day is to you know kind of make a prayer and make a little you know burn some incense light a candle
01:20:54.960 and make kind of prayer and affirmation and some thanksgiving and before we went out to our day
01:21:01.280 So I think those are some ideas of stuff to do.
01:21:05.740 Realize we have not touched the Scouts Gap them all, but that's fine because questions are really important, and I think they add a lot.
01:21:12.840 And I want to make sure one of the things I always worry on here is when people front load a bunch of questions,
01:21:17.580 and then we take an hour to get to them because we're immersed in lore that maybe the person we asked them isn't around to hear the answer.
01:21:25.320 And I don't want that to be the case, so I don't know.
01:21:27.600 We're kind of mixing it up a little bit.
01:21:31.280 so we don't have a bunch more we got two more and then we're going to go into uh the text
01:21:44.220 first uh stars i read the plow was known as odin's wagon and the plowman
01:21:54.440 uh was thought to be prayer i personally thought orion was on the wild hunt does the afa care for
01:22:04.680 stars hi from the uk well i appreciate having an audience from from your country and my ancestral
01:22:13.160 homeland way back when um the afa is anti-star um we do not care no that said um all that's
01:22:27.500 really interesting i think spawn may know more than i do about the astrology of it i will say
01:22:34.180 there are people within the afa that are very interested in the stars and in astrology and
01:22:41.720 and those kind of things i don't know that you know i wouldn't go so far as to say the afa is
01:22:47.560 as a whole um you know i don't think the afa has any real codified views about the stars per se
01:22:59.480 the most consistent star more than the afa that's talked about is lord tears association
01:23:06.920 with uh the north star with polaris outside of that a lot of people have their own you know
01:23:14.220 their own kind of thoughts and personal things they do that way it's fine do you have any any
01:23:19.300 thoughts on his question or on about stars in general as it relates to australia afa i think
01:23:27.860 a fascinating book for folks to look at is nigel pennix um runic i believe it's called runic
01:23:35.800 astrology um and and that's very interesting i've also heard uh the reference of um ursa major being
01:23:46.680 uh odin's uh plow or odin's wagon um and again i think that this would also be very important to
01:23:54.840 consider what time frame that titling is if if it's done say in the fort 14th century um long
01:24:05.800 after the people had turned their backs to the native you know gods of their people um but was
01:24:13.880 later noted down in the 18th 19th century uh that would still be kind of ancient or uh elder
01:24:23.800 knowledge even though it's you know may or may not be correct we have speculated a lot um we do know
01:24:32.840 that uh there are connections with whether it's a randall's toe or with fiazi's eyes and there is
01:24:43.800 a lot of speculation that those stars may be specific stars like the sirius or castor and
01:24:50.440 pollux um but that is one of those things that was deeply lost or that was not overly emphasized
01:25:01.880 in the poetic that it would be almost understood that fiazi's eyes is this star in the sky
01:25:13.300 and everyone in this that's listening to the story just simply knows that there's no explanation
01:25:21.140 um but nigel pennock also kind of speculates the division of the uh futhark and in the elder
01:25:34.360 futhark specifically into 24 or 2 12s opens up a lot of possibilities of that interconnection um
01:25:46.760 but it may have also been very regional that each group of folk may have interpreted the stars and
01:25:56.680 and their connections to the gods very individually unfortunately it's just one of those things that
01:26:03.400 was severed and and lost and now we generally you know look at the sky wondering was that fiazi's
01:26:15.000 uh or eyes that they were talking about was that arendelle's toe um and all of these elements
01:26:24.680 being astrological but i will say one other thing is that the mentioning of the stars being
01:26:31.000 sparks of muspelheim and that they were cast into the great gap um is very fitting um the the land
01:26:44.040 of fire the the realm of fire um or you know if we were to call it cosmic radiation or what have
01:26:51.880 you this great scattering of the of the fire in the gap um but the concerns about their revolution
01:27:01.000 always kind of tended back towards the north star towards polaris and polaris being this kind of
01:27:08.320 central axis this strut between the middle world and the heavenly world and i think that that is
01:27:18.000 deeply uh exemplified in the symbology of the ermine soul and where the uh if yggdrasil
01:27:28.840 is the central line or the circulation the ermine soul amongst the germanic folks
01:27:36.000 in this in central europe saw that as the strut of heaven um and that the polaric star was at the
01:27:45.460 top of it and that all things moved around it and so that's really the only star that we find
01:27:56.120 great adherence to its naming and to its functionality.
01:28:04.860 All right.
01:28:07.780 What is your, yeah, that's the next one.
01:28:12.040 Okay.
01:28:12.360 What is your opinion on white identitarians that are atheist, secular, and Christian?
01:28:21.180 Swan, let's say you.
01:28:22.440 i'm going to say uh uh separate those two real quick um if they are secular um i i think
01:28:33.500 they're that's having a sense of racial identity there is nothing wrong with that i think that
01:28:42.600 the media has tried to make identitarian spooky it's not it is that all people deserve to have
01:28:50.160 an identity. All people will do it anyways. And for some reason you slap white on it and now it's
01:28:57.500 bad. So that's a good start. But when you really continue deeper down without any spiritual
01:29:08.660 connection to that identity, you end up losing, I think, something very, very valuable.
01:29:19.300 Now, when it comes to atheistic sense, then I find that they are generally just biologically minded. And again, they lose something that I think is inherent in any successful identitarian movement is that there is more than just the material.
01:29:42.980 There's more than just what we produce and there is more than what we just sell.
01:29:47.840 And we can see it by the very nature of the things that our identity as a people produces.
01:29:57.460 And so there's something that transcends just the material.
01:30:02.780 So I find that if they don't have anything, perhaps because they're questioning, then I encourage.
01:30:11.040 If they reject spirituality, I feel like they are handicapping themselves to seeing the world in very much the same tones as the capitalist, communist kind of polarics.
01:30:30.060 Now, Christianity is a very interesting one because we spoke earlier about how the people have taken Christianity and changed it. And that's why you have European Christianity versus, say, Korean Christianity or Nigerian Christianity or West African or East Asian, to be better analogous to each other.
01:30:56.940 These are very different forms of Christianity to each other. And that is because of the people. And you dig deep enough, you have to contend with some truths.
01:31:08.680 And I have seen people create massive mental hoops to jump through in order to distance themselves away from the origin of or the definition of the origin of the people that this religion comes from, which is the Judahites or the Judahites, the Judeans.
01:31:33.480 And then it always kind of boils down to, well, no, we are the new Judeans, or we are the new Udahites, or we are the new chosen ones.
01:31:44.960 We was Jews.
01:31:45.900 Right. And it happens amongst folk. It happens amongst non-folk. It happens...
01:31:52.900 Black Hebrew Israelites. 1.00
01:31:54.200 Right. Or the Christian identity folks who are the lost tribe of Israel. It all boils down and they cannot at all. And I guess it's just because they are so afraid of Yahweh's afterlife and the edicts thereof that they cannot conceptualize anything outside of that. 0.99
01:32:23.040 But then they run into the fact that they are reading the Torah and that Aramaic and Hebrew are parallel to each other.
01:32:35.240 There is probably a pre-Aramaic Hebrew and then there is a post-Aramaic Hebrew.
01:32:42.360 But no, Hebrew is an invented language, etc.
01:32:47.200 They, you know, the usage of the word rabbi means, you know, nothing. It just means teacher. And it's just like biting their own next in an attempt to separate and then allocate themselves as the chosen people.
01:33:05.700 And that is because it is very gratifying to certain people to be, oh, no, we're the chosen one. And then that allots so much that can be done. And in order to do that, they have to be able to separate themselves from other people.
01:33:24.400 And so they will go to great lengths saying that every other person involved in this situation is a fake or, I guess, you know, like the Edomites or what have you.
01:33:36.960 And it just gets very, very exhausting. 0.93
01:33:40.440 But at the end of the day, I do see that European Christians are still European. 0.96
01:33:46.860 I see that the things that they create are a product, I believe, of their European nature. 0.92
01:33:54.400 not of the christian nature and they contend with that a lot but still they the arts produced the
01:34:03.520 buildings created um and it's not simply just out of some love for the religion there was
01:34:10.960 absolutely political factors and lots of things that brought them into this honed scope of
01:34:21.600 expressing european religiosity in that way and again if they have malice towards the the native
01:34:32.240 religions of europe which they often do and they often have a deep malice for true like the roots
01:34:39.760 of european nature um they they pick and choose uh you know oh the these guys were savages but 0.90
01:34:48.240 knights are great even though knights come from oath bound warriors of the pagan times um
01:34:56.080 it causes a lot of that and i i've seen uh the rise and fall of that and i think that's the
01:35:01.840 journey that they must go on that's the path that they must travel in order to learn and sometimes i
01:35:08.400 don't think they they just kind of settle on what is best for them but it is
01:35:17.360 the nature of the divine to be multiplicity and when it is worked down into singularity
01:35:24.160 and then that singularity is postulated as there must be only one truth and all others are not
01:35:31.280 truth and then that cannot be decided upon unless you jump through the mental hoops then a lot of
01:35:39.840 folks lead to just non or agnostic or atheistic ideologies and it becomes this kind of boiling
01:35:50.640 down of the complexities of the divine and that's because i think it it is more man-made as it goes
01:36:01.360 as the stories that speak about the great cosmological movements of the gods becomes
01:36:07.600 historical referencing and then the historical referencing kind of brittly falls away when
01:36:15.680 there are new things added on and then people are like you know what i just i don't even know what
01:36:22.520 to do with this i'm just going to focus on what i am and what i can see in the mirror and they end
01:36:30.440 up bringing to this journey of their discovery of themselves only three quarter or one excuse me two
01:36:41.240 thirds of the entirety because there is the the spirit that needs to be there it's not just the
01:36:48.440 mind and the body and or or the the folk and the culture that they produce there there is a spirit
01:36:57.000 there and in their lies uh even jung saw it they're in lies the gods they are there i think
01:37:07.240 it scared him deeply and of course that time frame he had to be very careful how he contextualized
01:37:14.520 the the idea of divinity being within a people um but he knew it was there and if you openly deny it
01:37:26.520 or switch it with another people's you end up uh handicapping yourself greatly and
01:37:36.360 that's why we're here to try to tell people to come home
01:37:42.440 yeah
01:37:42.760 Yeah. The question is written in kind of an interesting way. It could imply all three of the, you know, atheist, secular and Christian simultaneously or each of them individually on really and truly.
01:38:05.800 i don't know the difference between atheism that are being atheist and secular um
01:38:12.840 so breaking it up into at first what do you think of white identitarians
01:38:21.320 bravo i think that our people identifying as a folk realizing that we are a race and being proud
01:38:30.200 and identifying with that i wish that for all of our folk i wish that for anyone
01:38:36.840 to recognize who they are who their people are and to take pride and strengthen that
01:38:44.040 that's the birthright of anyone and that is laudable um
01:38:55.640 atheists 1.00
01:38:56.200 come home figure it out
01:39:00.920 religion is inherent to the human condition
01:39:08.240 it is the it is a part of existence we all know this we know it internally and when we don't have
01:39:20.900 it we recognize the lack of it come home to your native faith come home to house and truth come
01:39:28.440 to your gods we would love to have you join us uh if you are heterosexual and white come home
01:39:35.900 to the house true folk assembly let's make it happen got a join link at runestone.org 0.58
01:39:40.800 to do it today now's the time also christians that are white identitarians
01:39:48.280 take courage to break free
01:39:53.000 from that alien yoke 1.00
01:39:54.440 come home to your gods 1.00
01:39:57.280 join the Ask True Folk Assembly 0.56
01:39:58.800 runestone.org
01:40:00.160 join Link Bear now
01:40:01.280 realistically this is a thing
01:40:05.440 it is hard to break from
01:40:07.340 if you are culturally tied into
01:40:09.300 your Christianity
01:40:10.080 it is something that perhaps your family
01:40:13.080 has been involved in for a very long time
01:40:15.340 something that is culturally
01:40:16.840 woven into modern america at least conceptually and it's you know cultural touchstones
01:40:25.400 i get it but that's why it is so destructive is how pervasive it has become amongst our fold 0.85
01:40:34.120 you cannot properly be a white identitarian and worship a hebrew and worship an ethnic god 0.61
01:40:45.720 of the Jews, those two things aren't compatible. I know many, many people have tried to
01:40:54.580 beat the square peg into the round hole for their whole lives, but you're missing out on
01:41:02.760 fulfillment and on doing something that is authentic. There's always a part of you that's
01:41:07.820 not whole because it's not right and it's not in alignment with who you are and where you come from.
01:41:13.700 it takes courage and it is hard to do and generations of our folk were not able to
01:41:21.020 be the first in your line to break free from alien slavery to come home to your gods
01:41:30.020 they're waiting for you your ancestors are waiting for you on the other side
01:41:34.840 and we are waiting for you here right now we'd love to have you with us
01:41:38.880 i'm getting uh from the same uh questioner uh brad smith i'm getting into paganism but i wish
01:41:51.760 we had pagan apologetics like the christians and muslims do to explain things in our holy
01:41:57.840 texts that appear weird or evil for example i heard odin raped a girl but i also heard that
01:42:05.640 was written by a christian and not written by pagans so i'm not sure how authentic it is so
01:42:14.280 i mean i think at a bare minimum read the thing that people are saying to you so you can kind of
01:42:20.360 know the context for yourself
01:42:25.640 i think we extend terms in the modern day to
01:42:31.240 extreme levels and we have these built-in very extreme social reactions i think that the story
01:42:39.620 that you mentioned though is they talked about in the uh in the chat is probably um gunnels need
01:42:47.480 is that i think it's in reference to uh saxo grammaticus is um speaking about render and the
01:42:59.440 birth of
01:43:00.680 Vaoli. 0.95
01:43:02.480 If it's Saxo,
01:43:04.920 if it's Gunlov,
01:43:08.700 yes, 0.98
01:43:09.240 the god of Aryan 0.80
01:43:11.020 consciousness 1.00
01:43:11.780 seduced
01:43:15.600 a giantess,
01:43:18.400 the primal forces
01:43:20.540 of ancient wisdom
01:43:22.240 and
01:43:23.220 the storehouse of ancient
01:43:26.240 magical power and might
01:43:28.680 and seduced away from them the meat of inspiration.
01:43:35.200 It's not described in a violent or gratuitous way,
01:43:41.380 and that's an authentic part of our lore.
01:43:44.540 The other piece, as we talked about earlier in the show,
01:43:48.440 Saxo, you humorizes the gods in an absurd way.
01:43:52.940 So all of our lore, in truth, comes to us and is at least compiled by, when I say all of our lore, all of our ancient lore comes to us at least compiled by Christian sources.
01:44:07.220 Those were the ones who were doing the writing at the time.
01:44:10.960 But there were some that were very authentic scholars.
01:44:14.200 There were others that were cultural fans of our history and the history of our faith, even if they were not practicing elsewhere.
01:44:22.940 but Saxo's a different scenario
01:44:26.100 he's actively hostile
01:44:27.860 to Alcatru and to our faith
01:44:30.200 and his writing
01:44:32.180 about the gods are very
01:44:33.840 inauthentic and we don't
01:44:35.740 accept that as
01:44:36.980 on the whole
01:44:41.500 we don't accept that as legitimate
01:44:43.440 you know stories of our gods
01:44:45.640 we do look at
01:44:47.740 the references to see if we can discern
01:44:49.840 some truth from it or get some
01:44:51.740 value from it
01:44:52.940 But we don't base our faith and our understanding of the gods on the works of Saxo Grammaticus.
01:44:59.520 That's a very strange text that doesn't portray the gods authentically.
01:45:08.140 So if that's the case, then sure, I disavow Saxo.
01:45:13.060 If you were talking about Gumbel, it's a very different kind of situation that I don't think that's a fair description of.
01:45:21.820 But also, fundamentally, the gods aren't big Vikings having meaty copulation that's not, and I don't mean to be vulgar or impious in it, but we extend the imagery too far when we try to overlay overmuch human interaction.
01:45:49.040 Fundamentally, this is divine forces of consciousness interacting with primal keepers of ancient magic and mystery, elemental forces of creation in the earth and the God's charming power and magical might from them in a particular way.
01:46:15.120 it's not again the more we try to
01:46:21.000 take the myths overly literally in like a physical flesh sense we can overextend it
01:46:33.420 to a point that we miss the bigger truth that it's portraying our myths are absolutely true 0.99
01:46:39.660 Again, I don't count Saxo amongst our myths. 0.89
01:46:42.700 Our lore is absolutely true, however,
01:46:45.060 but it is teaching us truths.
01:46:48.740 It's not meant to be a literal step-by-step
01:46:54.080 of how things are done.
01:46:55.940 It is truth told in a story form for our ancestors
01:46:59.260 to relate to, to understand, and to grasp.
01:47:04.420 In order to do that in an artful way,
01:47:06.980 i think this is the case in um all folk religions the myths are told with the imagery that makes
01:47:18.340 sense to that folk at the time that the myths are put down they are portrayed in a context of things
01:47:26.580 familiar to those people in a way for people to wrap their heads around the truth of divinity
01:47:32.100 that is truly beyond our full comprehension and i think that's at play here but as fun what would
01:47:38.980 you like to add on that uh directionality before i do for one second i share one day
01:47:48.660 we will have reams of also true apologetics i understand that it is
01:47:55.460 it's important to remember that there was a time when christianity had no apologetics
01:48:05.780 they had 12 jews in somebody's apartment writing stuff down there was a time you know you mentioned
01:48:17.460 that islam has apologetics there's an age before apologetics what it was you know ahmed and his
01:48:24.020 like child brides and a couple of his buddies.
01:48:29.160 We are at a stage early in the resurgence of Ausatru
01:48:33.240 where we now have the access to writing and communication
01:48:36.860 where centuries from now we will have more apologetics,
01:48:42.340 you know, in-depth theological treatises on these points
01:48:46.640 than, you know, than anyone could read.
01:48:50.140 But it takes time to get there.
01:48:51.780 But the thing is, in order to get there, everyone has to start with day one or year one.
01:49:00.160 In the Astro Focus Assembly, we're in our 32nd year as we speak right now.
01:49:06.240 We are getting closer to having all of the nice things that you would want from a very ancient religion.
01:49:15.380 We build those each and every day, and every day we get closer to them.
01:49:19.020 And unfortunately, I think we all wish we had, you know, we had a thousand years of development behind us right now.
01:49:26.960 And we're putting in the work to get there.
01:49:32.320 So it will come in time.
01:49:34.440 Svon, what do you have to say?
01:49:36.760 I was going to say directionality between Ausatru and Christianity is so important to look at.
01:49:45.920 many people who are coming from Christianity and looking at Ausatru look at it from the
01:49:54.960 directionality that has already been established in Christianity of mortals with the proclamation
01:50:00.820 of divinity. That a man cured or did this or did that or these miracles happened and that is what
01:50:10.340 constitutes their being divine so they we have this uh direction of mortal upward whereas in
01:50:22.120 it is cosmological and then it is being brought into the mortal as harry ago they said they don't
01:50:31.200 physically have these relationships.
01:50:35.900 So when you see Lord Odin wooing Gunlov,
01:50:40.780 he is the Lord of Arian consciousness. 0.79
01:50:43.880 Her name means battle song 0.79
01:50:45.980 or the song of strife and creation.
01:50:49.660 And he goes into the mountain and he woos her.
01:50:53.300 He gains the mead of poetry and then he flies out.
01:50:57.740 These are all cosmological being brought into the context of mortal, not the other way around.
01:51:04.660 And so when I hear folks say, well, why did he rape this person?
01:51:11.280 They are working from there is a mortal person, Moses or Rabbi Yeshua, and that they have to constitute the divinity by saying there were witnesses that saw him heal the blind.
01:51:26.960 or or what have you the directionality is completely different so um you go with that
01:51:35.840 first off then you look at saxo grammaticus and you look at not was it he's maliciously turning
01:51:46.100 things and he re-emphasizes i've spoken before tries to turn the gods into ancient crafty folk
01:51:54.420 wizards who tricked the bumpkins before they were enlightened by the modern uh
01:52:02.740 intelligence of rome and the uh processes that it did to come out of the middle east
01:52:09.860 uh the religion itself so he goes in and says but there are details that were not mentioned
01:52:17.940 if uh with render and the mentioning that she may be the queen of the uh ruthians or rugians
01:52:27.460 and that is in reference to the modern day ukrainians so there's a geological spot and
01:52:34.900 then it paints lord odin and all of this is done with a simple attempt to de
01:52:41.300 construct and to dominionize the divinity of the gods and turn them into these mortal beings
01:52:53.420 and strangely enough the the irony that i find in it is that they have to make these people more
01:53:02.000 biblical and the but yet hold the bible in its highest standards and that's the part that they're
01:53:11.120 missing when Lord Odin seduces Gunnloth. And of course, too, in the divine story by Snorri Stulloson,
01:53:22.320 there is no rape on Rindur. There is the coupling that produces Vauli. What do these points represent?
01:53:32.580 How does Lord Odin in producing each offspring that fits the very perfect cosmological point that is happening, but we are going to make it contexted in a tribal dispute, a wedding, a marriage, and what have you.
01:53:52.600 And I think our ancestors understood that completely. That's what was being done. The great and the big were brought down into context.
01:54:01.480 it wasn't trying to demand everyone around that these mortal people are gods instead later on
01:54:12.840 there are people that said no these aren't gods these are mortal men and he was just a wizard
01:54:19.400 he did these things and so on and so forth so that directionality is really really important
01:54:26.200 And I think if you are raised as a Christian and you're reading the Bible, then you would look at mythos and not get the idea that these are not mortals.
01:54:40.940 And you only see it a couple times in the Bible, Yahweh speaking into existence, or the conflict between Yahweh and his, what's it, Molochs.
01:54:55.400 You call them angels. Angelos is a Greek word, means messengers, long in use before Christianity came to Europe.
01:55:05.520 but the molochs so yahweh has a dispute with the molochs um in his creation over adam
01:55:13.040 or adam and uh that's kind of that's the mythological that's the mythos that's the
01:55:20.320 cosmic is there are things going on outside of our realm that are happening and then you know 0.84
01:55:27.840 there's the hasatan that formulates himself against uh yahweh because of the other malaks 0.55
01:55:37.600 and it just goes on and on and on that is mythos but then you look at uh the rabbi yeshua he healed 0.93
01:55:46.800 the blind and he did these miracles and that's a testament of trying to make mortals into gods and
01:55:56.160 And you cannot have that directionality when you look at our stories. 0.75
01:56:03.000 And it gets even worse when it's malicious like Saxo was doing.
01:56:09.460 All right.
01:56:10.660 So the Have-Em-All warns us better not to bloat than to offer too much.
01:56:17.880 Why is there a warning and what constitutes too much?
01:56:22.260 It's fun.
01:56:22.600 I wanted to jump on this one because there's two things in here.
01:56:27.540 Chomping at the bit.
01:56:29.320 So there was a question earlier about Judah, the point in which Yahweh was with Judah, but he could not expel the people of the field because of their iron chariots.
01:56:45.660 Now, granted, this could be Yahweh or Judah or that they are both so interconnected yet still could not is one of the points I was making.
01:56:55.960 But our point in the Halvamal saying do not over give is, in essence, a divine warning against the fallacy of Judah and that whole situation. 0.56
01:57:13.340 Because if you look at why Judah could not expel the people of the field, it always falls back to Yahweh was upset at them. 0.82
01:57:23.520 Yahweh, they did not have enough faith. 0.76
01:57:26.860 He didn't kill, maybe he missed a child or an animal that he was supposed to kill, and he left one sheep or one bird or one baby alive.
01:57:36.780 which again you know the killing of the babies interesting points there that considering the
01:57:44.420 other questions so for some reason yahweh was upset and that's why he was unable to expel
01:57:52.720 the iron-wielded uh phoenicians canaanites or or what have you um and in the howl mullet says
01:58:02.960 do not give over much and what that's really saying is do not try to create a false relationship
01:58:12.480 that will cover the things that you must do for yourself you must act for yourself as well
01:58:19.880 and if you over give if you slide into the concept that you're just going to be really
01:58:27.360 really good at giving over to bloat that every uh problem you have is because the gods hate you
01:58:35.360 and every blessing you have is because the gods love you no you need to attain those things on
01:58:43.840 your own and the relationship must be reciprocal and it must be wise it's it's not wise to over
01:58:55.600 bloat and then find yourself in an easier position to be able to blame the gods or blame the lack of
01:59:04.860 your sacrificing or whatever you and you see it throughout history all the time oh i didn't
01:59:12.020 sacrifice enough and that's why i didn't get the thing i wanted no you didn't get the thing you
01:59:17.720 wanted because you didn't try hard enough and the gods want you to try the gods want you to do that
01:59:23.400 and then in celebration you share gifts you share gifts with the gods you share gifts with your
01:59:30.900 ancestors and you share gifts with your folk i think that those two are correlative and we see
01:59:36.620 them in many semitic religions where why are the romans here why are they in the holy land
01:59:44.320 it's because god hates us and this point of not over bloating too much not over sacrificing too
01:59:53.540 much is basically the warning that you should not get into a comfortable position where all things
02:00:02.300 are based on simply your relationship with the divine and that excuses your inability to
02:00:08.820 go and act and let the gods see you act upon the world and they will have consequences good and bad
02:00:17.020 so yeah i think it is an admonition against trying to leverage a transactional relationship
02:00:28.240 with the gods like buying your way to blessings but i bloated a thousand oxen and i you know
02:00:38.780 So, there is a tendency, and people used to be very, all right, start fresh, I'm not explaining very clearly here.
02:00:52.560 So, there is a point of our work that talks about how a gift looks for a gift.
02:01:03.020 Some translations render that as a gift demands a gift.
02:01:09.500 and early in the resurgence of modern house and true there was a
02:01:17.900 i don't think a well thought out or anything spirited you know off like gift demands a gift
02:01:24.300 so i'm gonna give bloat and then gods have to give me blessings that's the wrong attitude
02:01:30.940 to engage in devotional religion yes there is an obligation placed upon the receiver of gifts
02:01:38.780 to reciprocate and to have a reciprocal gift-giving relationship.
02:01:45.300 But it is wrong-headed and bad for you to try to force the gods to bless you
02:01:56.620 because you gave them a bunch of mead instead of just a little bit of mead.
02:02:02.660 It's also silly on the face of it, as if whatever you can bloat to the gods is somehow worthy of divinity reaching out and fixing all of your problems for you.
02:02:17.720 That's not how it works.
02:02:20.100 But when people become deluded, they try to make that how it works.
02:02:26.360 And it builds resentment.
02:02:27.620 And so this is true above as well as below.
02:02:32.660 If you try to force your friends or your family to do things for you or to repay you by front-loading with a dishonest generosity because you're trying to leverage it so they help you out with something they don't want to do over here,
02:02:55.420 say give you that's wrong and it's the wrong way to go about it and if that's in your heart
02:03:03.020 you're trying to do then you might as well keep it it's not worth it it's it does you no good
02:03:08.780 um i think it's worth stating on that as well there's no shortage of meat and asgard there's
02:03:15.740 no shortage of you know incense there's no shortage of whatever you're blowing to the gods
02:03:23.740 the point is the intention and if your intention is foul because you're trying to
02:03:31.420 buy them off with meat and incense
02:03:36.060 that's foolish and it's unwanted and unwelcome that's what i take i think it's really important 0.64
02:03:44.220 the nature of our faith is that one of our gods is saying that versus you know worship 0.94
02:03:52.700 me i am a jealous or whatever the the fact that is if you're trying to leverage things
02:04:00.780 through gift and through prayer and you gave 30 oxen while your neighbor gave two
02:04:06.940 keep it i really think that that encapsulates a great amount of the nature of our faith
02:04:14.700 um next question so is the prosetta not authentic since it was written by a christian
02:04:20.060 no it's not and that is far too simplistic of an answer so the fact that some stuff was written by
02:04:28.020 a christian doesn't negate it out of hand it is less desirable than if it was written by ancient
02:04:38.400 gothar but if it was written by ancient gothar would we have it today or would it have been
02:04:44.180 destroyed i don't know um we could you know speculate or wonder about that writing came
02:04:52.280 late to our people certainly writing on a parchment
02:04:55.480 it is what we have and i believe it is you know divinely preserved truth um but you take cues so
02:05:11.000 have to look at is this a trustworthy source or not so snorri wrote you know wrote the prosetta
02:05:19.320 and saxo wrote guested the norm saxo spends the entirety of the story and of his writing
02:05:28.840 treating our gods as bad as evil as mischievous and as human kings and warlords and wizards that
02:05:38.520 that are up to human bad things.
02:05:42.360 In a prelude to talk about the early kings of Venlo.
02:05:48.760 There is a certain amount of,
02:05:51.460 well, I guess these are memories of ancient humans
02:05:54.140 that goes on in any Christian writing
02:05:56.140 because that's the church's edict of the time
02:05:58.700 to contextualize our gods.
02:06:01.380 But the tone of Saxo is these gods are bad.
02:06:04.960 They are the bad guys.
02:06:06.560 They are the villains.
02:06:08.520 That's not the case in the Edda. In the Edda, it's okay. Well, whatever. We know this is, you know, these old tales of these humans or whatever. But anyways, let me tell you about the gods. And then they talk about the glory of our gods.
02:06:24.060 They talk about the authentic nature of Auschwitz, and some of it comes in the intention of Snorri when he wrote.
02:06:31.340 The intention of Saxo was to glorify the kings, the current ruling kings of Denmark,
02:06:39.000 who had been Christian for the longest time period out of any of the Scandinavian nations,
02:06:44.760 and to glorify them in how Christian they were and how great they were at later times.
02:06:51.580 the point of Snorri was to celebrate the history and tradition of his people
02:06:57.980 in a remote island that was preserving that kind of heritage.
02:07:03.960 It was written in a proud celebratory way of the stories, tales, and scaldic arts of his ancestors.
02:07:12.940 And you can tell by the tone quite a bit.
02:07:15.220 But as I mentioned earlier in the show, Ausitru is about taking agency to make decisions and to take responsibility for your decisions.
02:07:23.980 One of the things in examining our lore is to use discernment to figure out where things are trustworthy and where they're not.
02:07:32.300 Where things match up with other bits of lore that we know.
02:07:36.240 Where they match up with the history that we're aware of.
02:07:40.300 Where they match up with archaeological find and things.
02:07:44.640 there's a lot of things that you can do to kind of find touchstones to see if this is authentic
02:07:50.880 or if this is, you know, a unique kind of strange case,
02:07:54.300 or if the person writing it has good intentions or bad intentions as relates to our gods.
02:07:59.820 And I think that's at play very much in this particular discussion.
02:08:04.880 um how should a heathen process events like grief loss etc
02:08:14.560 when do you often see heathens step away from their faith after difficulties in life
02:08:22.400 do they often come back um and then there'll be a follow-up let's just
02:08:30.320 let's just talk about that it's fun what what do you have to offer on that piece
02:08:37.060 uh i don't think that uh you should step away from me i apologize i should have read the
02:08:43.540 secondary question first it adds to this it's not its own question it's just context
02:08:48.100 i see that christians have a great emphasis on processing their suffering and imbuing it with
02:08:53.880 meaning sometimes i feel like heathenry is hollow there but it is possible i don't know enough about
02:08:59.660 it. And that is why it seems hollow. Please continue. So I'm sorry for interrupting.
02:09:05.320 No, I, um, I don't think, first off, I don't think you should ever fall away from your faith,
02:09:13.260 but you must remember, Ausatru is built, we're not heathens, we're not pagans. Those are
02:09:20.160 outsider words for things. I'm going to say Ausatru because that's what we are.
02:09:24.540 And Ausatru is a socio-cultural, or I guess that's the same, it is an intertwined religion that applies itself to our physicality, to our interactions with each other, and the divine.
02:09:44.580 So to sever yourself from the divine during grief is detrimental.
02:09:57.000 And you really can't.
02:09:58.560 You're just basically refusing to interact.
02:10:03.620 However, we see there is the nature of heroism in the European folk soul that is often looked at very superficially when it comes to grief.
02:10:23.020 um oftentimes the focus is not so much on grief or that certainly it's not that grief doesn't
02:10:31.120 exist it's that heroes rise above heroes proceed on and that tragedies happen all over you must
02:10:39.240 continue to attain and and slay the dragon or gain the horizon that's that heroicism
02:10:46.400 There has been a deep saddening of heroicism into this martyrdom state, into the state of the philosophes who kind of helped Greek Jews become more angled to convert Gentiles.
02:11:09.760 And so they focused greatly on these non-heroic traits. 0.59
02:11:17.960 Now, I'm not saying that grief and suffering are non-heroic.
02:11:21.440 And actually, the contrary, we can see a lot of the great warriors of old tackling grief, tackling loss, and working their way through it.
02:11:37.140 A perfect example would be Eil Skalagrim's son saga, in which he loses his son. And because he's a poet, he speaks at length about it.
02:11:50.740 And I think that that's very important to look at because he is Ausatru in his time and that which is chronologically written down of him is what was said that he did.
02:12:08.440 So his reactions, his sorrow, his recitation of poetry, but again, we cannot disconnect. We know that the sadness that we feel, the anguish that we feel is part of, and often a painful part, a part not to be celebrated, but we will to all be ancestors one day.
02:12:36.440 So our joining with those who have gone on is inevitable. And so there is a kind of comfort in the reality of it.
02:12:49.480 I think that modern Christianity and ancient Christianity are very different when it comes to like grieving and death, especially since, say, like Saul of Tarsus spoke about the souls of Christians and Jews going into the earth and waiting for judgment.
02:13:08.920 And then over time, because it was morphed by European ideals, it became a triplicate world and there's a movement upwards and a gate and there's this place and there's the lake of fire off in the closet over there.
02:13:25.540 that and and so there there becomes this mythos built in the in the faith and that is again trying
02:13:35.880 to make a square peg hit fit a round hole but grief from the heroic versus the martyr or the um
02:13:48.980 the the supplicants the whatever you might want to call it it's it is is unique and it i think takes
02:14:00.040 effort on the practitioner's part the the person who is also through um to look or if they're not
02:14:10.140 even out of truth they're outside of our faith and they look at the age of heroicism and they're
02:14:14.800 like where's you know there's nothing here for grief there is I think it takes work to see it
02:14:22.300 to know um and we see it in archaeology we see it in rune stones um erected to um ancestors or or to
02:14:34.300 fathers or to sons who are lost in battle or or to disease or what have you there is so much that
02:14:44.460 is uniquely and i can't speak for non-folk people in the middle east or further out but for the folk
02:14:52.860 you can see it hasn't changed that much the only difference is is that there is no closing off
02:15:00.540 away from your community there is no ability to cut off communication with your ancestors
02:15:05.580 or the gods in actuality you should dive yourself wholeheartedly into your community
02:15:11.500 as a support network and that comes from that ancient time when the the famine the winter
02:15:20.460 you're on the threat of dying you fell into your community hospitality rules are another great
02:15:27.500 sign of that so the age of heroism breeds that grief is built on interconnection with the
02:15:37.660 community and knowing that you will be an ancestor one day and you will join your folk
02:15:45.020 they will not be you know uh judged based on how much you know they did or did not follow these
02:15:55.420 rules or wore clothing of a different thing um or they you know you will the inevitability of
02:16:05.820 of you being with them is there so then you must rise up you must activate you must grow
02:16:12.780 and you must make these um interconnections and i actually i just had a thought i was wondering
02:16:19.340 the Marseillanites. I wonder if the Marseillanites did not consider the Old Testament authentic
02:16:26.540 because it was written by Jews. I don't know, just the authenticity question was like
02:16:32.500 rolling around in my head there. But no, I think that grief is absolutely expressed.
02:16:42.080 it is just often we are so far removed from heroicism that we assume that they don't feel
02:16:49.440 any sense of grief that they don't feel any sense of loss um and i think that that's a mistake and
02:16:57.680 we can see that in ailskala grimson saga that it is very much real and he does the mistake he does
02:17:07.460 the warning the warning is don't close yourself off and that's what he does and then when he comes
02:17:12.940 back that's when he's able to heal himself so there's so much wrapped into this question
02:17:21.300 all of the things that spawn said i think he talked about a lot of the things that are really
02:17:26.940 important on it um part of the okay so just kind of going through the question how should a heathen
02:17:36.020 process events like grief and loss etc you are comparing this with how christians process it
02:17:46.580 and their conception of themselves in a large way is that they are bystanders watching
02:17:57.860 the great events of life and things and that their god controls all the good things and all
02:18:02.740 the bad things so you know why does god you know let bad things happen why doesn't he reward the
02:18:09.380 good things why doesn't this why doesn't that some of those questions aren't the same you know so true
02:18:17.460 because we don't believe that our gods are the one all-powerful god of the universe and that
02:18:23.060 We're idle spectators.
02:18:24.860 We're active players.
02:18:27.400 We are expected to be the heroes in our own life.
02:18:32.000 And our gods are a great source of comfort and of inspiration.
02:18:38.280 But we don't blame them or think it is their fault when bad things happen.
02:18:43.880 Bad things happen because it's the state of nature.
02:18:46.800 It's the state of existence.
02:18:48.160 our gods are a force of good in that state of existence
02:18:53.140 and we're called upon to be that as well
02:18:56.180 the answer is not to sit and just pray really hard
02:19:04.940 if you want good things to happen
02:19:06.480 and also true
02:19:07.340 the answer is to go out there and win victories
02:19:10.640 and make things happen
02:19:12.240 and yes hopefully with prayer and offerings to the gods
02:19:16.420 they will help you
02:19:17.900 and they will inspire you and they will support you.
02:19:22.000 But ultimately, we want to live a heroic existence
02:19:25.760 overcoming the challenges of life.
02:19:29.660 And when I say that, please don't get me wrong,
02:19:32.960 grief and suffering are real things to the human condition. 0.99
02:19:36.900 I think that Al-Satruar feel grief and suffering and loss 0.83
02:19:41.200 just as hard as Christians, just as hard as anyone else.
02:19:47.900 But our comfort comes from the continuity of our folk, knowing that our ancestors look on and love us from the other side of the veil.
02:19:57.680 We don't just kind of nod ahead to that.
02:20:02.080 We actively embrace that.
02:20:03.700 Part of the holiday, we just celebrated this last weekend at Veteraniter, is desabloat.
02:20:09.900 And that's abloat to the desear. 0.60
02:20:11.940 Those are our female ancestors that care for our family from beyond the veil and have gone after us.
02:20:20.300 We don't feel the same disconnection that we're waiting for a resurrection at some future date.
02:20:28.860 We don't feel that.
02:20:31.000 We believe very much that our ancestors hear us.
02:20:33.760 We make them offerings.
02:20:34.960 We speak to them.
02:20:36.540 We continue that connection throughout our lives.
02:20:39.920 we know that they love us and that they await us on the other side of the veil we are empowered to
02:20:46.880 win reputation for ourselves by accomplishing things and by celebrating um heroic things we know that
02:20:59.040 we also believe the idea of posthumous ascension and that we can better affect our ancestors
02:21:06.240 position in the afterlife, by celebrating them, by singing songs of their deeds, by
02:21:12.960 raising horns in their honor, by building their fame.
02:21:16.900 So we process grief in a lot of ways, but we don't feel the same finality and disconnection
02:21:23.740 in the same way.
02:21:25.700 And we also, I kind of written into the story of that.
02:21:32.560 Our founder, Steve McAllen, talked about how Alistair is a life-embracing religion instead of a life-denying religion.
02:21:42.720 We're trying to escape this life.
02:21:45.320 We don't acknowledge that this life is suffering and all bad, and if we work really hard, we can escape it.
02:21:51.680 Or if we work really hard, we can store up treasures in heaven.
02:21:55.840 No, we celebrate and we build treasures here in this world.
02:21:59.960 Now, hopefully our deeds and the things that we do in the lives that we've lived build a reputation that precedes us in the next world.
02:22:09.860 We hope that we live worthy so that our gods are proud of us, so that our ancestors are proud of us.
02:22:18.620 But setbacks and grief and loss in this were opportunities to rise above.
02:22:25.140 There are opportunities to succeed in spite of, and in doing so, to live heroically and to accomplish great things.
02:22:35.380 Sometimes it is a greater testament to heroism if you are able to overcome adversity than if you've had everything handed to you and you don't have that adversity.
02:22:46.960 So there's opportunity that comes with it to succeed in spite of setbacks.
02:22:52.260 but I'd say that
02:22:54.560 but some more to the question was
02:22:56.460 when do you often see
02:23:00.760 heathens step away from their faith
02:23:02.460 after difficulties in life
02:23:03.880 and I won't be completely honest on this
02:23:08.920 I don't
02:23:12.960 doing this for as long as I've had
02:23:16.520 I've seen a lot of people
02:23:17.800 step back from their faith for a lot of different reasons
02:23:20.700 most common I would say is social embarrassment or hurt feelings because of interactions with
02:23:34.880 someone that they love a friend of theirs um maybe they have a breakup and their spouse is
02:23:41.940 also true so they quit because they don't want to be reminded of that hurt and be in the same place
02:23:47.200 someone to where they're reminded of that
02:23:50.380 maybe their friends had a bad experience
02:23:53.320 and broke away
02:23:54.200 and they don't want to feel shunned
02:23:57.700 or at odds with their friends
02:23:59.560 so they leave in solidarity with their friends
02:24:01.860 or maybe they make a mistake
02:24:04.260 that they're embarrassed about
02:24:07.860 and rather than face their peers
02:24:10.000 and kind of work through the embarrassment
02:24:13.020 it's easier to disappear
02:24:15.860 and cut ties and start fresh doing something different I think those are
02:24:20.780 the most common things that I think have caused people to step away from their
02:24:24.080 faith in my experience but you asked do they often come back they do not as
02:24:32.420 often as I'd like I'd love if they all came home but I have been around long
02:24:38.300 enough to see a great many people who've left for the reasons I mentioned above
02:24:42.200 of come back to AUSA True,
02:24:45.400 come back home to the AUSA True Focus Center.
02:24:48.260 And we always love seeing that
02:24:51.420 and we want to see that to those people
02:24:53.380 who've severed ties with us along the way
02:24:56.480 for whatever reason that might be.
02:24:58.900 You know, there's a very small handful of people
02:25:00.980 that we wouldn't accept back with open arms.
02:25:03.360 So I would say that.
02:25:07.260 We have the next question up.
02:25:12.200 from micah hi i have a question about the prayer to ancestors i want to pray to my ancestors but
02:25:19.720 i don't know any besides my past away grandmothers i also feel bad because i wasn't very connected
02:25:27.400 to them while they were alive so how would you recommend i pray to them it's fine you have
02:25:33.480 thoughts on that? Yes, I think, you know, starting organically first, as you interact, as you come
02:25:43.580 to Hoffs, as you, as you go to events, and you meet other Ausitruer, and you learn things, as you go,
02:25:51.900 things may change, and that's okay, you're growing, but start with what you can do, and what you know,
02:25:59.300 If you have pictures of the ancestors you do know, and then perhaps you have some other symbol that could represent the ancestors you don't.
02:26:12.780 Taking a physical icon and placing it out there and then speaking aloud your thoughts, your prayers becoming verbal, and then the gift.
02:26:29.440 They don't physically drink mead.
02:26:32.340 They don't physically drink coffee or, you know, some people give over items and things to their ancestors.
02:26:40.300 that's not what this is about this is that um the the nature of what you are giving the fact
02:26:50.700 that you are giving it uh the sincerity in which you're giving it the context so if you
02:26:58.940 write something down um and you say aloud to your ancestors you have a picture you have an icon or
02:27:06.940 a symbol of your ancestors you don't know and you sincerely start from the point of
02:27:15.420 i am starting this relationship i want to know you more i'm opening myself up to any wisdoms
02:27:22.780 or guidance or things that you may um be able to bestow or i'm thankful for that which you
02:27:30.220 have bestowed upon me through my bloodline and through my the memory of my folk and
02:27:37.740 then you take that piece of paper and you light it on fire you you bury it in the ground you
02:27:43.900 separate it from yourself and you leave it be and you hand it over that's the basics of starting 0.58
02:27:53.660 the relationship that is uniquely Aryan in the way that we transfer much of our might
02:28:05.540 to the divine is through this process. It has been in our culture and our tradition
02:28:14.680 since before history and we carry it on it is innate in us we see it even when people
02:28:24.400 try to proclaim that they are not um us or of our faith or of our understanding
02:28:31.140 but yet still do the very things that are innate in their blood so start there start simple don't
02:28:38.760 make it so complicated that you analyze yourself into paralysis. Start small, start simple, and
02:28:46.640 don't think that what you're doing is so wrong that you're messing it up. It's that step between
02:28:54.720 zero to one. That's the biggest gap. And once you do that, you can begin to refine. And I would say
02:29:02.420 do it often. Don't just say to yourself, I'm going to do this once. No, I'm going to do this every
02:29:08.400 month i'm going to give a gift over or my thoughts or my time to my ancestors and i'm going to do it
02:29:17.200 you pick a date and then you do that for a series of dates and you will begin to see this inner this
02:29:26.380 interaction um as you start to understand that the world of the divine and the world of the material
02:29:33.400 are far closer than uh we may normally perceive but start small start simple and start with
02:29:43.440 dedication all right so i want to say there you are so i should have answered that one first
02:29:49.300 because i would probably say almost exactly what spawn said
02:29:54.160 yeah uh the things that i would add um also brandy mentioned a beautiful thing she does 1.00
02:30:02.200 realized that you did that with having the like um ancestor dinner once a month to facilitate
02:30:10.920 you know family meal and telling stories uh around a plate for the ancestors i think that's
02:30:17.000 a really beautiful thing um how how would you recommend i pray to them um immediately and often
02:30:27.320 so don't wait don't wait for perfect don't wait for when you have something thought out
02:30:35.040 don't wait for just go out and do it that first initial step you know i've always said the
02:30:42.520 distance from the couch to the door is the the furthest distance on anything you want to do
02:30:47.700 make the point to do it and do it and the other element i've had and again everything's sponsored
02:30:54.500 it. Do it from the heart. Don't, you don't have to, you know, your ancestors know whether you
02:31:02.540 knew them, whether you didn't and how close you are or you aren't. So you guys both know the
02:31:08.960 situation. You opening the door and saying, Hey, here I am. I care. I want a relationship
02:31:18.320 with you. I'm here. I'm listening. I love you. Here's an offering. Accounts. Accounts and it's
02:31:28.720 a place to start. The other thing that I would say though, in preparation, and I don't know where
02:31:34.960 you're at in your faith, but in preparation, be open. If you go into it with the attitude like,
02:31:44.120 oh, this is silly, but I guess I'll do it if I have to, or whatever, you will get a less good
02:31:50.340 experience than if you went into it genuinely trying to be open to the experience. I don't
02:31:59.260 mean anything inauthentic, but saying, hey, you know, I don't know whether you believe or how
02:32:04.880 much you believe or whatever the case is, but hey, this is strange. This is different for me.
02:32:10.280 haven't done this before but i'm really hopeful that we can build a relationship and here is an
02:32:17.400 offering and i'm here and i want a relationship and open yourself to you and really good things
02:32:26.760 can happen from doing that and you know a small offering as a gesture is a very nice thing to do
02:32:36.760 and i think brandy in the chat said that yet it's cup of coffee in a conversational way
02:32:43.640 but the have them all talks about you know with a half a loaf and a half a cup you know maybe many
02:32:50.260 a friend something simple doesn't have to be the most elaborate offering at the most pristine altar
02:32:59.100 with pictures and relics and wonderful if you got those cool um that's fantastic
02:33:07.020 but it can also be very simple and from the heart so that's what i would suggest on that
02:33:14.640 on at long last two hours and 32 minutes into the program great i never get to so right into
02:33:23.040 the lord like this is the questions one is great and i hope i thank you everybody in the audience
02:33:29.800 for bearing with me if you were here for the lord we will read a little bit of it now
02:33:33.280 um but again we have people all the time asking questions and when we have enthusiastic questions 0.99
02:33:40.280 in the chat it's very important that those people get answers the scald scaper mile has been around
02:33:47.180 since the 1200s this question was asked 15 minutes ago or you know whatever the case might be so i
02:33:54.540 want to make sure we get to those and the lord will wait it's there for us we'll go over all of
02:34:00.140 it so we're we're patient with that it's fun if you would take people in to spell scaper mile 31
02:34:07.740 uh absolutely him and skinning governor yes himing skinninger uh the
02:34:16.140 the like poetic sayings of what the heavens could be.
02:34:23.380 And this might, again, be interesting
02:34:26.040 because we had the question about the stars.
02:34:29.860 So these are, for those who might be just joining us,
02:34:33.880 these are poetic, this is a poetic guidebook
02:34:36.700 for poets to use titlings in their poetry
02:34:42.100 because they had to follow set um alliterations and so giving them multiple or a palette of
02:34:49.780 things to choose made those alliterations easier and in those alliterations we find great nuggets
02:34:58.740 of lore um about our faith and how our ancestors viewed cosmology and the gods and and so on
02:35:08.120 Kennings for heaven.
02:35:10.760 How should the heaven be paraphrased?
02:35:14.040 Thus, it is the skull of Ymir, and hence called the giant's skull, or the Jotun's skull, task or burden of the dwarves,
02:35:29.100 or the helm of Vestri, Ostri, Sudri, and Nodri.
02:35:42.260 There was a short going around that said,
02:35:46.000 oh, did you know that the Vikings believed that the sky was held up by maggots?
02:35:50.840 And completely jumping over points,
02:35:55.460 But that the directions connected to the land, that they came out of the land, that there is a deep connection between the land and directionality and energy of that, perhaps if you would consider like magnetic and rotational.
02:36:16.080 And so the sky is the helm is the is that which they hold up. It's that which they brace up or brace out. So Vestry, Ostry, Sudry and Nordry, West, East, South and North. It is the land of the sun and the moon. It is the stars of the heaven of the wains and the winds.
02:36:42.300 Now, I like that one, too. The wanes, of course, could have many meanings. The rise and fall, it could mean the chariots, chariots of the gods. It's the cyclical rise and fall. And of the winds, it's the helm or the house of the air and the earth and the sun.
02:37:07.420 So it's the helm of the material world, the helm of the world, the helm of Midgard.
02:37:13.820 So sang, our nor eroskald, so large of gifts never mounted, young lord of shields on the ship deck, beneath the ancient skull of Ymir, splendid, this prince's largest.
02:37:32.280 And this, of course, is an excerpt from the poem, and he's focusing on the fact that it was spoken as the skull of Ymir, but he is speaking to a young prince on the ship, and he's referring to the sky.
02:37:48.620 And as he sang again, bright grows the sun at dusking, the earth sinks into the darkness of the sea, the toil of Austria bursteth, all the ocean on the fells breaks.
02:38:06.640 So the sun coming from the east, that the toil of the east holding the sky gives burst to the light, the day, and the sun.
02:38:23.500 Thus sang Bodvar the Halt
02:38:27.620 For never neath the sun's plain
02:38:31.160 Shall come a nobler land ward
02:38:33.620 Keener in battle on set
02:38:36.320 Nor a brother of Ingi better
02:38:39.100 So the sun's plain
02:38:43.540 Is the focus of why this is being mentioned
02:38:47.080 And of course the context of the poem
02:38:49.880 is most likely speaking to a warrior about his renown.
02:38:58.580 And as Theodulfur of Finn sang,
02:39:04.540 Jord's son drove to the steel play.
02:39:09.380 So that is Thor.
02:39:10.620 And he drove to battle.
02:39:12.020 He rode to battle.
02:39:13.280 High swelled the godlike anger
02:39:16.760 in the mind of Miley's brother.
02:39:19.880 Thor. And the moonway neath him quivered. That's the excerpt that is being focused on. The moonway.
02:39:28.180 So we have the sunway or the sun's plane. And now we have the moonway. And it shook. It quivered
02:39:35.980 underneath him because he is the Lord of heaven and earth. And his might and his anger is so
02:39:45.440 great that it shook the sky um then ormir baris scald uh he sang lady of drop near's gore streak
02:40:02.240 however great i know him the wielder by right he ruleth of the wane's road sees him gladly
02:40:12.700 Now, the Wayne's Road is the reference to the sky, and why we utilize the Raido rune as the rune of the priesthood is because of the allotment by the gods to set the heavenly wardens and all things into motion, that everything is on its track and everything is part of its construction of continuance.
02:40:40.660 And the wanes road is just speaking of the rise and the fall and the turning of the earth and the turning of the sun and the semi-turning of the moon.
02:40:52.760 But all of these motions are the wanes, the traveling and the cyclic nature.
02:40:58.080 even as the scald bragi sang he who threw the dead eyes of thiazi skadi's father
02:41:09.120 into the wind wide basin over the abodes of men folk many and that's that reference to
02:41:17.280 what i believe is castor and pollux amongst the mediterraneans that thiazi's eyes are the stars
02:41:26.600 of that same nomenclature but the wind wide basin is the poetic reference
02:41:35.000 and marcus and as marcus sang tis long since the dear loved water of sea men was born of the waves
02:41:47.460 girt earth bottom of the storm container that's the reference to the skies each man praises the
02:41:56.140 sublime age of the ring dispenser the ring dispenser is the kings that the age of the king
02:42:04.620 and um the seamen are the the sailors the viking the the skip alvar the men of the ships um and
02:42:16.500 they you know give praise um to the water to lord thor to keep foul weather away and
02:42:26.020 the storm container is uh the reference to the sky then stein uh heard this song saying
02:42:37.140 I sing the holy ruler of the high world tent, rather than men, for very precious is he, his praises tell I.
02:42:51.220 So now there is the holy ruler of the high world tent.
02:42:56.740 Now, this could have two things, and we have to look at it honestly.
02:43:01.960 by his name or by his usage I mean
02:43:06.560 he could be talking about Lord Odin
02:43:10.740 or it could have been slightly after conversion
02:43:14.540 but again they still postulated the God of the Jews
02:43:19.020 Yahweh into very Germanic forms 1.00
02:43:22.680 and so that's why I think it's very important that we still look at them 0.99
02:43:26.720 and consider all of them even though all of those titlings are
02:43:30.700 clearly not um the the same as the semitic people um here we see and as our nor earl scar
02:43:42.140 or earl's skull that sang help dear king of heaven the day's plane help my hermonder
02:43:51.260 So that's a bidding, a prayer, if you will, to speak, to look over Hermander.
02:44:05.080 And as Arnor sang further, soothfast king.
02:44:11.880 And bear in mind, sooth does not mean to lie.
02:44:14.440 It means to tell the truth.
02:44:16.680 Soothsaying means truthsaying.
02:44:18.760 So, a soothfast king is a king whose word is always holding true.
02:44:27.560 Soothfast king of the sun tents.
02:44:31.120 There's the sky.
02:44:32.560 Help stout-hearted rockenvolter.
02:44:37.760 And then it stops there.
02:44:39.820 So, it's, again, this prayer out.
02:44:42.940 And this is evidence of prayer.
02:44:44.780 This is evidence of stating.
02:44:48.760 Desire and pleading to the gods under this, you know, under this great sky tent, please watch over Hermann or Hermann, as it would be in modern.
02:45:04.840 And as Arnor sang further, oh, excuse me, as Halvarður sang, Knutr wards the land, King Knut wards the land as the ruler of all wards in the radiant fell hall.
02:45:25.280 And that's the heavens.
02:45:26.180 um arnor said arnor sang again michael wise of understanding ways what seems done ill and good
02:45:38.900 things then the monarch of the sun's helm the sky being the the helm and the sun being the kind of
02:45:48.580 crest of the helmet at the doom seat parts all mortals so they're at judgment and and this again
02:46:00.340 could be right around at the time of christianization but the doom seats are spoken of
02:46:06.020 heavily with the icier and that the doom is synonymous with judgment so at the doom seat
02:46:13.860 parts all mortals um and with that i would say it might be leaning a little bit more into the uh
02:46:20.900 post christianization um but then we shift to 32. uh do you want me to continue sir
02:46:31.700 eventually we have a couple questions shannon in georgia donated ten dollars
02:46:38.180 towards the pavilion thank you shannon we appreciate it very much
02:46:41.300 um so from nrc01238 are we tracking growth and attendance at the individual hops for each event
02:46:55.700 compared to previous years as well as overall member growth i'm curious on our growth rate
02:47:01.460 this year seems great growth so our um our overall growth has kind of stayed or our overall member
02:47:13.460 numbers kind of stayed the same this year mostly we're a little bit higher but with our payment
02:47:18.660 processing things some of the expirations anyways long way of saying we've been about the same
02:47:24.180 but what is an interesting phenomenon in afa and this is always getting better
02:47:29.060 so initially we were members that were scattered throughout the world and we had local
02:47:41.320 you know local notes places and we had every once in a great while we have like a big event
02:47:50.660 we have a national event here a national event there and so we could track attendance at those
02:47:55.320 events and see how that was going every year but almost everybody had never met another afa member
02:48:04.920 as the years have gone on that's gotten better and better our membership is filled up to where
02:48:09.160 the spaces between members is much better and it is tremendously sped up since we have hoffs
02:48:19.800 now we have people who come out to our hoffs at these events but it's hard to track year by year
02:48:26.280 because we have can we have got more hoffs so we spread out the people who show up so
02:48:34.440 it's hard to get a consistent thing on tracking that um we we do somewhat there's some some
02:48:41.560 metrics we track on it but the thing that's interesting is we still have a divide amongst
02:48:49.480 our members of folks that show up and actively participate in aussitrew and folks that um
02:48:59.720 have yet to fully engage in that way sometimes that's proximity they just live so far away that
02:49:06.040 it's not very easy for them to get to other members
02:49:10.680 others it's hesitancy others it's whatever the reason might be
02:49:17.160 though our member number hasn't increased drastically over the last year
02:49:22.280 the mem the percentage of our membership that actively participates regularly going to the
02:49:29.800 hoffs or going to their local moats or just being part of in real life events for the afa
02:49:39.080 that percentage has significantly significantly and continues to increase
02:49:45.240 so that's getting better all of the time tracking it per event like i say at the hoffs is kind of
02:49:52.680 hard to do um just because we continue to get new hoffs and shuffle around when our um
02:50:03.400 regional events for our like signature event for the hoff is that's changed around a little
02:50:08.200 bit in this last year for example we still do midsummer at odenshoff always midsummer
02:50:13.800 at odin's off that's hasn't changed um but uh balder soft for instance up until this year
02:50:24.280 their main event has been uh fray faxie but this year their big event is yule so
02:50:33.240 the people who are making it to you know they're only maybe able to make it to one event at that
02:50:36.840 hoff per year are choosing a different one to go to this year perhaps um phrasehoff has been around
02:50:44.280 this year so all those people have an option to go there their attendance has been great
02:50:49.800 um but yeah it kind of opens stuff up there a little bit so there's a couple of variances but
02:50:56.360 yeah we have more people a much greater percentage of our membership are actively participating now
02:51:01.960 which is really cool to see what book would you recommend for a for as a first for learning slash
02:51:12.120 studying the rooms so i'm going to give my answer that i always give one here it depends what you
02:51:19.960 were started with the runes workbook by leon d wild is a very good little resource for somebody who
02:51:33.160 is completely unfamiliar with the runes at all unfamiliar with magic just unfamiliar with stuff
02:51:41.000 and it's maybe their very first encounter with it it's good for i would say it's good for for
02:51:47.160 older children young adults um or people that may be you know not super well versed in things
02:51:55.160 if you are you know if you're looking to start seriously looking at the runes but you're
02:52:02.420 basically familiar another way to start is i always suggest futhark by edrid thorson
02:52:10.760 i know some people and i think even edrid prefers runelower um futhark is just
02:52:18.760 was the first one so it's got a special place in my heart on that
02:52:22.920 the information is largely repeated in one moment but either of those two books by edrid
02:52:29.060 dorson is really good first step for intermediate folks uh svaan what would you suggest
02:52:36.940 uh nick's got me pegged i would suggest the complete illustrated guide of the runes
02:52:46.460 by nigel pennick um predominantly this is a very little information uh that if you have very
02:52:56.360 scant information you're really trying to get a broad aspect i really like the fact that it is
02:53:01.920 uh very neutral because it does talk about the revival of runic usage in medieval germany
02:53:09.520 and in germany during world war ii and at in the back it's actually a bit of a workbook it shows
02:53:17.600 you um how you know the that the runes the way that they would be used and so on and so forth
02:53:25.120 i think the pictures and stuff are i i don't necessarily like them they're a little too
02:53:31.440 i would say fluffy bunny uh they're very very sanitized um but it is a great book to get
02:53:39.680 started and then move into the workbook that you suggested so i'm saying like level zero
02:53:45.840 entry the workbook that uh you're you know it's like that you're talking about is so good for
02:53:55.900 actually putting rubber on the road mine is more of a okay this is a big subject and i want to know
02:54:03.520 kind of a little bit about every aspect of it and that's where i would definitely guide people
02:54:08.880 um i recently heard that uh or someone said that edward thorson didn't like
02:54:15.720 futhark or he was upset with the way it came out um but yeah it kind of holds the the orange
02:54:24.580 the kind of off orange tobacco colored book has always held a special place in my heart
02:54:31.940 it was his first endeavor and i think we all look back at our very critical of ourselves when we see
02:54:40.680 ourselves an earlier man if i had it all do over again i would have done this i would have done
02:54:45.420 this other thing i think that's kind of where he's at i really like food targets it i think
02:54:50.900 was my first interaction with the rooms i just think it hits pretty academically as far as like
02:54:56.920 like a professor speaking and it throws the audience off like whoa what is what it what
02:55:03.720 what did i get into um and so runelore would probably be better to go first and then read the
02:55:11.020 the previous so we have a couple of more questions from brad smith uh first one i'm a white
02:55:18.800 identitarian just curious would you work with white identitarians that are atheists or christians
02:55:25.360 to advance our interests as a people and other pagans like greeks
02:55:33.280 i mean the details always matter it really depends yes where there's common ground on
02:55:40.640 you know things that benefit white people and our collective good then sure absolutely
02:55:49.360 But again, the details really do make a difference and it would depend on what those situations were.
02:55:55.860 But absolutely. Yeah, the answer, the answer is yes, unless there is a compelling reason otherwise.
02:56:06.580 And so that might depend on specifics, the specific groups, the disposition towards the other, towards the Christians.
02:56:16.880 like there's a lot of details there but yes in theory we would absolutely be willing to work with
02:56:24.080 you know whites of different faiths or of no faiths 0.99
02:56:28.560 for the advancement and betterment of our folk i think that's a noble thing to do
02:56:36.320 does the afa have a forum to talk and ask questions
02:56:39.840 a forum in the sense of like old message boards no but a lot of places that one can so for in
02:56:53.880 group chat if you were to become an afa member our members talk in various groups on um
02:57:01.680 me we unfortunately facebook purged a number of us years ago so me we is our best option that way
02:57:12.400 if you have questions that you want answers to uh and i think this is mentioned in the chat but
02:57:19.380 gothar at runestone.org any of our gothar would be really happy to answer any of your questions
02:57:26.840 or to talk to you about it they'd also be happy to give you a call if it's something that
02:57:30.600 you know maybe works better um in a phone call uh so yeah reach out to them or you know buck stops
02:57:38.900 here matt flavel at runestone.org i'd be happy to address any questions you might have um yeah
02:57:47.620 we're really open to all kinds of discussion that way but most of it's kind of in group
02:57:52.120 if you're if you're a member so if you're not then emailing that way be the best way or feel
02:57:59.560 free to always ask them here we're happy to answer your questions here and they are able to help out
02:58:04.200 other people that might be wondering similar similar things oh i was going to say also too
02:58:11.120 um social media presence wise i know uh twitter is the our account is run on twitter and i would
02:58:19.100 share it with your friends and uh come down there and discuss i think all of us need to be noble and
02:58:27.320 act i think sometimes twitter can get crazy or x or or what have you um but yeah to come down and
02:58:35.020 ask questions and have discussions there would be a good place too and tell your friends to
02:58:44.060 check it out support us and um have conversations and ask questions there as well you know in
02:58:51.220 respectable conversations, you'll get a lot of interaction.
02:58:59.820 Sure. And then last question of the night, would a non-Ossaturar ever be considered for 0.95
02:59:07.360 a day of remembrance, specifically Snorri for preserving our lore? No, not as such.
02:59:16.500 because they're very specific.
02:59:21.640 It's not just that they're heroes
02:59:23.500 or they're people that are worth remembering.
02:59:26.500 They're very specifically holy men.
02:59:29.720 They're people that we recognize a holiness
02:59:33.260 and a connectedness to divinity
02:59:42.880 um through their devotion through the things they do in their life them connecting to the gods and
02:59:50.440 them being poised for and achieving ascension beyond the veil to something better so they are
02:59:59.060 recognized specifically as religious heroes and holy men so it there's there's
03:00:09.300 they can't have that
03:00:11.860 without a connection to the gods
03:00:13.620 now
03:00:14.580 you know
03:00:16.040 again that
03:00:18.900 because I'm trying to think of nuance
03:00:21.300 I don't want to say never in a
03:00:23.560 strange circumstance but
03:00:25.300 no if they are not in some way devoted
03:00:27.740 to our gods then
03:00:29.200 that wouldn't be an appropriate way to
03:00:31.780 honor them
03:00:32.340 yeah
03:00:37.080 i just wanted to say um as the addition of eric um in becoming one of our new helia the the hero
03:00:47.960 the the holy hero um in that image too you'll notice the uh there is the golden sun wheel
03:00:55.960 around the head of the gods and the red one around him and i was thinking about this and i was talking
03:01:02.040 to um some of our folk at thorsoff you know that it isn't that they die or um suffer for the gods
03:01:13.400 because this question of suffering that came in earlier to is you know kind of re-emphasize some
03:01:18.920 of that subject it's that they lived for the gods and they adhered by word and by deed to the gods
03:01:28.280 and they put their blood on the line so that red sun and rod around our heroes is that emphasis
03:01:35.960 it's not about them suffering or lamenting that oh you uh you know why aren't you why aren't you
03:01:44.280 why are you guys killing me for being house no it's that they put everything on the line
03:01:49.400 in its physical form and the red symbolizes the life and the blood um and the fight that
03:01:57.080 they did oftentimes um so i just wanted to kind of i think some folks might be out there looking at
03:02:05.080 our heroes and thinking oh they're kind of like saints that suffered and died um no they were uh
03:02:15.400 the adherers to the gods and all of the gifts passed down when at a time when everyone else
03:02:26.040 was pressured and changing their minds based on politics and usury and monarchies and everyone
03:02:34.440 was twisting and turning these holy people held true despite all of that because they knew the truth
03:02:47.960 yeah absolutely it is very particular to their devotion to the gods
03:02:53.480 it's i and and i'm all for honoring people that contributed uh to what we have for showing
03:03:00.520 appreciation i certainly have a great deal of appreciation towards snorri but honoring him
03:03:07.480 in our faith as a holy um as a holy hero as a holy person as a uh
03:03:16.280 I don't think
03:03:20.680 that would not be appropriate.
03:03:23.760 So
03:03:24.000 that wraps it up for this evening.
03:03:27.340 Like I said, we got one
03:03:28.960 section done this
03:03:31.280 evening. It's not in abundance,
03:03:33.240 but again, we got all the time in the world. It is really
03:03:35.240 important, and the bread and butter of
03:03:37.380 this program is
03:03:38.880 answering questions.
03:03:41.680 And you guys brought some really
03:03:43.080 good ones tonight. We had a lot of great things
03:03:45.020 to talk about um i look forward to talking to you guys again next week like i said keep bringing
03:03:55.160 your questions uh tell your friends we want all of our folk to come home so i will see you next
03:04:03.840 week we have yeah next week we are going to have another episode of adulting with alan so our
03:04:10.120 Law Speaker Alan Turner to be on the program to talk to you about some things.
03:04:14.720 Until then, hail the ISEER, hail the FOLK, hail the AFA, and remember, victory never sleeps.
03:04:40.120 We'll be right back.
03:05:10.120 We'll be right back.
03:05:40.120 We'll be right back.
03:06:10.120 Thank you.
03:06:40.120 Thank you.
03:07:10.120 Thank you.