00:06:23.840Stephen in Japan thank you very much for your donation of $10 towards paying off
00:06:31.720Frazehoff and $5 towards paying off the Sigurhan property itself much
00:06:38.060appreciated and Gilbert frequent a consistent donor on here a fantastic
00:06:44.980gentleman has donated $150 towards the Yorkshoff restoration that is much
00:06:53.000appreciated and the continued generosity is really an example to everyone so thank you both you
00:06:58.280gentlemen for your consistent giving on the program we really appreciate it that said i think that's
00:07:06.120what i've got for top of the program news and notes um
00:07:12.920yeah law speaker take us into tonight's topic if you will okay and i appreciate you having me on
00:07:25.000as usual it's an honor and a privilege to address our folk and um try to um elucidate what
00:07:35.880a little bit of illumination remains in this uh scruffy old noggin um
00:07:42.920Brief review. I want to go over a couple of things that we've talked about.
00:07:48.700I think it's important for those who may be just tuning in for the first time that, you know, that we've covered several adult type topics.
00:07:58.400The one nearest and near to my heart being debt.
00:08:04.460I do not go into debt. Don't borrow money for anything except for house.
00:08:12.920If you can at all avoid it, maintenance is cheaper than payments on a car.
00:08:19.060Live below your means and you will have a cushion and it will help you sleep better at night because you don't have to worry about making your last $14 scratch over the last six days of the month.
00:17:14.320I don't know how much in relation to, like, what they dose it with to help control your mind.
00:17:19.640But just like, you know, spinach has calcium in it, broccoli has selenium, the tea plant, which is, I almost had the name of it, but, you know, the tea plant takes up fluoride from the soil.
00:17:39.320And so there is a little trace of fluoride in the tea leaves so that tea that you're not drinking anymore for lunch.
00:17:47.560I used to be like five glasses a day at lunch, but now I had to cut out the black tea.
00:17:53.780So and even green tea has a little less, but regular tea has fluoride in it.
00:18:01.340At some point, you got to, you know, you got to pick your poison, so to speak.
00:18:09.320Now, entrepreneurship, a lot of the goal of, first, let me trace my path back, right?
00:18:21.580So in the mid-90s, I was working for an attorney as an associate, senior associate at a bankruptcy law firm and went in at some point and told him I thought I was ready for a partnership.
00:18:42.060um law firms are kind of their own thing maybe medical practices are close in the way that they
00:18:50.520structure partnerships but the but the partnership structure varies firm by firm um and so
00:18:57.820no no two law law firm structures are alike but what he told me was that even though there are
00:19:05.600other named individuals on the letterhead. He was
00:19:09.560the only true partner. So it was his firm
00:19:17.200Some of them glorified associates, but
00:19:20.000everybody else was an associate. So by the time that conversation
00:19:25.760was over, I had quit in my head. I am not going to work the rest of my
00:19:29.820life so that I can push money up the hill
00:19:33.280into his coffers because he had plenty. So I decided to move after an investigation,
00:19:46.620move to Tallahassee. And it's been good. I've liked it here. And I have, you know,
00:19:53.480and I set up my own firm and it was risky. You know, I didn't know anybody in Tallahassee.
00:19:58.860None of the attorneys in town knew who I was, but, you know, I just hung out my shingle, put an ad in the phone book, and hoped the phone started ringing, and it did, and I did okay for myself and raised the family and so forth and et cetera.
00:20:15.560But what that does is, so then that wealth, that equity in that firm and, and so forth belongs to me that, you know, that I built all of that. So like with my effort and striving and dedication, I made something out of, you know, out of basically my skills, you know.
00:20:41.060So, then, writ large, I think that would work well for anyone who has a skill or should develop a skill because then the work that you do builds wealth for you.
00:21:06.060Um, it's, you know, instead of, you know, I mean, it's the difference between managing a franchise restaurant and opening your own restaurant.
00:21:16.620I'm not suggesting you get into the restaurant business.
00:21:18.900That's a tricky thing at best of times.
00:21:22.480Um, but, you know, think about like Ray Kroc, right?
00:21:27.200He started flipping burgers when he was 35 or whatever and built McDonald's out of that stuff.
00:21:34.560So, you know, he built a giant conglomerate.
00:23:14.820I mean, it's a spot that most people find themselves in.
00:23:20.620I mean, if you got kids that you're raising,
00:23:24.220um you certainly have to you you it's really difficult risky um to uh you know to strike out
00:23:35.100on your own um but it's but it's also very rewarding when you succeed even at a modest level
00:23:44.540um you could certainly start with a you know by doing it as like a side project
00:23:51.500um you know it amazes me like somebody with gilbert's talent if he wanted to he could
00:24:01.500certainly earn a decent living and you know selling his wares on etsy um if you're a programmer
00:24:10.560um like uh brian and those guys have trained you how to how to program stuff through the stem
00:24:18.320program you can take that and sell that on a piece you know on a piece rate basis there are
00:24:25.680lots and lots of opportunities in small and mid-sized businesses who don't have enough
00:24:36.400technological needs to have a full-time tech person but there are certainly
00:24:41.440lots of uh there's lots of trade out there for guys although my computer's been running
00:24:50.240pretty well for the last couple three years but there's you know but there's lots of uh
00:24:54.480opportunity out there in that arena um so the the other thing that is sort of the up and coming
00:25:05.440when i was looking at you know what are the opportunities that are available
00:25:08.880and that is like the portable trade um you know the portable profession um and i know that like
00:25:20.800veterinary school is a big commitment well worthwhile um but like the veterinarian that
00:25:27.680we use now is a portable veterinarian he they um they come out to the house um and treat the dogs
00:25:37.440Now, if you're not a veterinarian, you can still outfit a truck with dog washing stuff.
00:25:49.800I mean, there are two dog grooming services in Tallahassee that come to your house, and we can't get them to come out here because they're so busy.
00:25:57.580So those are the kinds of things that that, you know, delivery services, of course, that's kind of a crowded market now with with all the food delivery and and the Amazon trucks and all that that are on the roads all over the place now.
00:26:15.360But certainly yard services, car detailing is another good idea that, you know, because people, it's not just me, but people in general are just lazy.
00:26:28.980And, you know, if the stuff can come to them, then they would rather just not have to leave the house.
00:26:35.280You know, if you can drive your, if you can leave your car in the driveway and somebody will come and detail it, that works.
00:26:42.860And that is a pretty low dollar investment compared to, you know, a big brick and mortar store that, you know, that takes a giant pile of cash or a bunch of debt to set up, you know, to have a place to do stuff.
00:27:03.520And you don't need a place for some for a lot of these opportunities.
00:27:06.960um the other thing and the really sort of the thing i wanted to talk about
00:27:12.180more as much as the and i'm certainly glad to bounce ideas around
00:27:17.720i have one i'm not going to talk about for me um but the um and it's not only fans so um so the
00:27:29.060although I've been solicited, the form of business that you use.
00:27:37.880Here's the other thing, and why I think entrepreneurship is a good topic,
00:27:42.800is a good adult thing for we, Ossetruer, to do.
00:27:52.440First of all, it makes you your own boss.
00:27:55.820the downside is that you know i mean you can take a day off but there's no there's no such thing as
00:28:03.100a paid day off i mean you're always working so you've got to set your price structure ahead of
00:28:08.140time with that in mind because you don't want to have to work all the time but the but the bigger
00:28:14.060thing is the structure of the business. The two big forms of business that are most used are
00:28:27.240the corporation and the LLC. LLC stands for limited liability company. And so anytime that
00:28:35.380you're setting up a business like that, one of the first things that you want to do is set up
00:28:42.420an LLC or corporation. Now, which works best for you depends to some extent on what business you're
00:28:49.800in, but also what state you're in. Because different states have slightly different
00:28:55.460interpretations about what you're allowed to do with those sorts of things. It's certainly worth
00:28:59.300a few hundred dollars to talk to an attorney or even an accountant to tell them, I am thinking
00:29:08.540about opening up a you know a portable barber shop and so before i um hook up my tailgate as
00:29:17.660a barber chair i want to you know talk to you about what structure to use two reasons for that
00:29:24.780at least two one is the tax advantage because the when you when you have a an llc or corporation
00:29:33.660the money comes into the company first so it doesn't go straight into your um general checking
00:29:39.660account it goes into the business account which is another important thing to bear in mind when
00:29:44.700you're setting these things up you want to make sure that you have an insulation an insulation
00:29:51.580between the company and you otherwise because that ties into the idea that that one of the
00:30:00.460the biggest advantages of having a company uh is that the um
00:30:08.860the when when people are dealing with the business they are dealing with the company they are not
00:30:13.660dealing with you personally so that gives you liability insulation so that when uh when there's
00:30:21.580a like for example if you're you know if you're driving your dog groomer truck around and you
00:30:30.460run over somebody's sprinkler system, you are not personally liable for that.
00:30:37.000The company is liable for that, and they can't reach your personal assets
00:30:41.700because the theory in the law is that a company is a separate person.
00:30:49.880So just like Matt's not liable for Mandy's stuff,
00:30:59.460and I'm not liable for my kids, you know, you, you personally are not liable for mistakes that
00:31:06.920the company makes. And that's a critical, critical part of having a company set up. Yes, it's a pain
00:31:13.760in the neck. You got to do an extra tax return every year, at least one. Um, and you have to,
00:31:20.140um, keep up with all of that stuff. You know, you, uh, it, and I'm happy to help. I mean,
00:31:27.560I've done this, you know, with a couple of things. I've helped other clients and other folk
00:31:33.420get these things started. It is relatively simple. And it can, you know, it can be done.
00:31:41.620And if you, the other thing, there are, you know, there are tax advantages of having the business
00:31:46.580of your, you know, for yourself. Again, like if you're a carpenter and you have a truck,
00:31:53.840Your truck expenses are tax deductible. Most of them, not the personal stuff, but, you know, so a lot of those, you got to be careful because you don't want to run afoul of the big hammer that Uncle Sam carries.
00:32:10.360But there are lots of tax advantages that you can use for a business that are just not available to an individual.
00:32:21.260You know, you take your buddy to lunch. You mention, hey, you know, do you need your haircut? And whether he agrees or not, well, lunch is now tax deductible because you brought up your business.
00:32:35.160So those are the kinds of things that can help you a lot.
00:32:42.280Trim around the edges with, you know, and save some of your income from the reach of the tax man.
00:32:54.480And hopefully, you know, you'll work up into a big enough tax bracket where that does make a lot of difference.
00:33:00.120There's also that feeling of independence.
00:33:02.800And I mean, that's the kind of thing that when you get into the intangible things like this, that's, you know, you can you can look and think, you know, I built this as your garage begins to fill with lawn equipment or, you know, you hire another couple of trucks or whatever.
00:33:25.560Or when the, you know, as those things grow and build through your careful stewardship of your money and time, you know, you can look with satisfaction on the empire.
00:34:44.720um but yeah anybody didn't hear turnage t-u-r-n-a-g-e at r-u-n-e-s-t-o-n-e dot o-r-g
00:34:58.680and uh he is a real deal past the bar practicing attorney he can help you in these kind of things
00:35:09.080and share his expertise on your particulars uh also while i've got the floor for a sec
00:35:15.800ron bordman donated twenty dollars to phrase off as a twig is bent so the branch grows raise your
00:35:23.960children true and at the very least they will be excellent white adults when they grow up
00:35:31.240sound advice and we appreciate your donation thank you very much nice is that did he send
00:35:37.080that with his donation he did he says when you send when you donate you can add little
00:35:43.480message that you would like me to read on the on the air and assuming it is
00:35:48.760what's i like that grossly offensive i am happy to do so
00:35:56.200um so yeah well so while you were um doing that one thing that i wanted to point out
00:36:07.080would like to mention how this relates specifically to ostrich and i don't think we have to have like
00:36:13.640ah and the etta says link so much this is about living right but in particular you know
00:36:24.520industriousness is one of our virtues um
00:36:28.200self-reliance is one of our virtues we are called upon by our faith to be the main character in our
00:36:41.300lives to take the initiative to be the heroes of our own story and to take positive action
00:36:53.340to realize our dreams this is a very obvious expression of that and one thing
00:37:04.560it opens up that is really important and we've seen this over I don't know the
00:37:10.860past ten years of nonsense and cancel culture and whatever else it is a boon
00:37:18.660to our folk if we have entrepreneurs amongst us who can hire folk that need
00:37:25.800employment if you have such a business that you are able to hire within the
00:37:30.720folk and hire within our faith community that is a very positive and a very
00:37:35.760needed thing and it's a beautiful thing that opens up you take the step of
00:37:40.600becoming an entrepreneur potentially um so that's something i would like everybody to keep in mind
00:37:50.040because we got a lot of people that are looking for work and we've got a lot of us who would
00:37:58.440prefer to hire within our church as opposed to having to go outside of it to get these things
00:38:05.800done it is a tremendous opportunity for networking for you know the benefit of the entrepreneur but
00:38:13.880also for the benefit of us needing services and people needing jobs so it's one of those things
00:38:20.520that helps spiral us all into a better situation
00:38:25.000do you have more points to make about entrepreneurship at this juncture or would
00:38:36.380you like to go into a couple of questions um that that covers my introductory stuff i'd be glad to
00:38:43.160talk about um if people have specific questions about specific stuff but you know it's like
00:38:49.680Starting a business is as varied as businesses are, so you can do any of that stuff.
00:38:57.840Like if you wanted to start a farm and grow grapes and start fermenting it into grape juice, you could do that, which has its own risks and rewards.
00:39:15.240um random question from me where is the where are some good options for states to
00:39:30.120start your business in are there particular states that are favorable for that are there
00:39:37.000particular states that are not favorable for starting your own business delaware well so a
00:39:44.900couple things. One, generally people incorporate the business where they live so that, you know,
00:39:58.020like for example, my law firm is, it's required in law firms and I think medical practices that
00:40:05.920you be a corporation of the state that you, uh, in which you practice. Um, but for example,
00:40:13.380the Austrian folks assembly, which is a corporation, um, you, when you cross state
00:40:22.220lines and start to do business in a different state, you have, you have to, you're called a
00:40:27.900foreign corporation. That doesn't mean you're from out of the United States. You mean you're
00:40:31.180from a different state. So like when we bought Jorbitzhoff, I had to incorporate a Florida
00:40:39.780corporation, which is a subsidiary of the master corporation, the Austrian Folk Assembly,
00:40:50.200which is a California corporation. So you can do business in the state that you're in
00:40:59.160using a foreign corporation. Delaware, for example, is famous for its easy incorporation
00:41:10.820capabilities. And the other advantage that I haven't looked at, Delaware is one of the three
00:41:19.740or five states that allows you to, it's a, I forget what they call it, but like if you're
00:41:27.660incorporated in Delaware, they can't get through to find who you are. Like if you have a Delaware
00:41:36.080corporation, Delaware is one of the states, I'm pretty sure, that like if you, so when you come
00:41:44.020out of Delaware and go somewhere else, and like if you were, if you were incorporated in Delaware
00:41:49.900and you wanted to do business in Tennessee, then the only thing, then if, then when they look at
00:41:55.560the Tennessee records. The only thing they see is the Delaware Corporation. So it gives you
00:42:00.580anonymity in addition to all the other advantages that I've talked about. Now, where the best places
00:42:08.940to do business, it depends on the business. Like if you wanted to start a dairy, you'd want to be
00:42:22.320somewhere where there's lots of grass and lots of cows. If you wanted to, um, start a fishing
00:42:30.000guiding business, I mean, you want to be near a lake or, uh, you know, like there are lots of guys
00:42:36.620out around here, Florida that, uh, that do that sort of thing as a side gig, you know, they have
00:42:44.080a, and again, see, that's a, that's an opportunity. You can buy a boat and it's attached right off
00:42:49.020i'm doing i'm doing guided fishings not me but like the other guys who do that um you know
00:42:56.060they go out and show you how to fish and so that's an excuse to have a boot
00:43:00.620um so okay so it depends on i'm sorry what you want to do sorry go ahead oh no i was just going
00:43:05.900to work through uh i was going to play out a scenario uh and it's kind of a running joke on
00:43:12.940here in my attempts to twist Fawn's arm to get him out here sooner we joke about him running a mobile
00:43:22.780barber shop out of an ice cream truck and having a like barber pole on the side of the truck it can
00:43:30.220still play the ice cream music I think you should keep the ice cream thing and maybe have a cooler
00:43:34.220full of like ice cream bars in there for the for the folks but if he were to do such a business
00:43:41.980what would that look like if somebody you know kind of run folks through a fictitious
00:43:48.380man that'd be cool i should do that what does that look like if he were in the state of
00:43:53.500tennessee and wanted to do that well first of all um you have to barbering is one of those things
00:44:02.380i assume in tennessee like in florida you have to have a professional license i mean
00:44:06.460barbering is not just something that you can do you have to have a school and an education so
00:44:11.660the first thing whatever you want to do you have to have the proper proper licensure for your
00:44:17.340business um then you would go out and find an ice cream truck i mean the i think that's a really
00:44:24.780clever idea but because you can also sell ice cream i mean you wouldn't want to get the hair
00:44:32.140and the ice cream side's mixed up but you could you know but you could certainly um do both um
00:44:38.540and you know while you're looking for your ice cream truck you sign up uh for you go to
00:44:47.580and it's the secretary of state that's the um the state licensing place that issues you your
00:44:55.500corporate name and again it's it's reasonably um it's set up to be pretty self-evident you know
00:45:06.540it's a fillable form that you that you fill out from the secretary of state's website um
00:45:13.420i'm happy to guide anybody through it but the but um you know so you pick out the name for
00:45:21.340your company the ice cream barber corporation and you sign that up with the secretary of state's
00:45:27.580website um you go buy a truck and again got to be in the right order you buy you got to get the
00:45:36.300corporation set up then you start buying your equipment you get the you get the truck because
00:45:40.860again then that money that you're spending on the truck is tax deductible it's you know it's a
00:45:47.500long-term capital investment so it can be written off you know off of your from your rental empire
00:45:53.100which is funding your barbering habit you can use that money to um you know as a as a tax write-off
00:45:59.820till you start making money doing the barbering and then you um you know then you are the owner
00:46:07.740of that corporation um and you know and you have to display your license in the in the in or on
00:46:17.980the truck in the exact same way that you'd have to do it uh in or on your uh the wall at the
00:46:24.060uh where you're barbering but then you know then you just go out and number three or wherever we
00:46:32.140are, um, open a separate bank account. You need a bank account, um, in the name of the business.
00:46:40.580And that way, when the guy pays you 200 bucks to, um, you know, to get your haircut that goes into
00:46:47.400the corporation and there's a nice big wall between the corporation's money and your money.
00:46:53.000And of course you pay yourself a salary or a draw. Um, and, but you have to insulate yourself
00:47:00.980Because if you're just taking the money into your own personal account, then you can, then like if you nick somebody's ear while you're cutting their hair, then you're liable for that personally instead of it just being a corporation.
00:47:13.200So, you know, I mean, that's kind of the, and then you're off and running.
00:47:20.540The money that comes in goes to the corporation.
00:47:23.440You can either pay yourself a salary or you can just treat it as a sub-tapped arrest corporation where, you know, like you pay all the corporate expenses and then you kind of get whatever's left over.
00:47:37.440Remember, though, that unlike wage withholding, you're not, you know, there's no Social Security money being taken out.
00:47:46.280There's no income tax money being taken out, Medicare.
00:47:48.560So you have to sort of be, it's called self-employment tax.
00:47:53.300And yes, we get taxed at a slight, a very slightly lower rate overall, but you have
00:48:04.600Like you can't live all the way out of all of the money from the corporation.
00:48:09.720And then at the end of the year, you have a big tax liability that you have to pay.
00:48:14.220so how is there kind of a standard rule of thumb for how much to keep aside for taxes like what
00:48:21.340percentage there's not really a rule of thumb and that's the um you know you got to talk to your
00:48:31.500uh accountant about that but really what it what it amounts to is about 20 percent of your net
00:48:40.540income you know adjusted gross income so like let's say that again harper is just you know
00:48:49.260it's an easy thing so let's say that in a given month you uh you know that you that the truck
00:48:55.660earns five thousand dollars okay and then but you spent two thousand dollars on um
00:49:03.100you know, shears and gas and corporate expenses. So you made $3,000. Okay. That's your gross
00:49:15.280income from that. So you need to set aside about 20%. That's like, that's a good point. You know,
00:49:24.000That's about the rule of thumb because Social Security is 15% of the money that comes to you, not the money that comes to a corporation, but the money that comes to you, you owe 15% of it so that I can retire eventually.
00:49:41.460So a point in the chat room, and because we're kind of playing out this scenario, he ended with the LOL, but I think it's worth noting.
00:49:48.100uh leroy says i would advise against hair and ice cream too many fda violations for food grade and
00:49:56.180cleanliness so that's what i was i was thinking about that i was thinking he has a cooler with
00:50:01.620pre-packaged ice cream like drumsticks and dove bars and stuff and i think that avoids the food
00:50:09.220service aspect of it. At least that's my theory. Well, but he makes a good point,
00:50:19.460you know, but, you know, and I'm just trying to think, you know, I probably would have thought
00:50:24.420the same thing given a little more time for circumspection. And, you know, you might even,
00:50:30.180and see, again, like the thing I thought of said, if ice cream, do you have a beer cooler?
00:50:33.700right and then you need a liquor license
00:50:38.020well a beer license is pretty easy to get but the portability
00:50:44.020raises questions um you know so maybe you just have a soda machine
00:50:49.120in there and you know you you know you sell
00:50:52.360you know you sell the guys although soda is poison
00:50:55.780um the uh but you know uh for a lot of people we don't care the um you know but you sell them a
00:51:05.780soda for a buck or black or bottled water and a lot of times that's provided just as a convenience
00:51:11.180for your customer anyway but those sorts of things that you can combine um those opportunities
00:51:18.960Good point, though, about you don't want your ice cream scoop covered with beard fuzz.
00:51:37.440in the engva's english asks um would you guys need some kind of public liability insurance
00:51:46.400or general insurance or in case the truck hits somebody definitely um you definitely need
00:51:55.600insurance or in case you cut someone's ear yeah um yes you definitely need insurance just like if
00:52:06.960you're going to drive a car you have to have the car insured for uh you know for liability purposes
00:52:13.440that's the minimum um you also want to injure yourself and i assume that barbers have some sort
00:52:22.480of you know blanket liability policy like um like other entities do for example i have what's called
00:52:31.760eno insurance errors and omissions insurance um that uh you know so in in case i miss something
00:52:41.280then you know i have insurance that will that will uh make the client whole for whatever you
00:52:47.840You know, from if I make a mistake. Yes, that's that's another good point.
00:52:55.580You know, you got to have you got to have insurance, got to have general life.
00:52:58.520And, you know, there are companies, many, many, many companies that sell, you know, general business liability company, general liability insurance.
00:53:07.980And, you know, and and then once you've invested, that's another thing about it.
00:53:13.280But that's the but that's something else you have to build into your pricing structure.
00:53:17.840You know, whatever the insurance is going to cost you every month, you got to, you know, you got to make the client pay that.
00:53:24.180So, so wait, if you tax businesses, it doesn't go just to the business. It trickles down to the consumer.
00:53:36.560That's exactly right. It's almost like we're paying for all of it.
00:53:41.900So, for example, for example, I can't remember the exact number, but years ago, I watched a piece on 60 Minutes where they were talking about ladders, okay?0.99
00:53:58.100And something like 60 or 70 percent of the cost of a ladder is the cost of the insurance that the ladder company manufacturer has to buy because people are idiots, including jurors who award huge liability awards against ladder companies because some guy propped his ladder against the electric line or whatever stupidity.0.94
00:54:27.600people managed to come up with and then jurors I think there's a very specific reason that I'm0.98
00:54:34.800going to skip for now but the jurors then award big sacks of money to people because they're0.98
00:54:43.520because of their own stupidity um and an actual award for example that these guys cited um was0.99
00:54:52.000that this guy had set up his ladder1.00
01:03:56.120And it is a complex system of divination, which not so, again, not unlike the runic system.
01:04:04.520Um, uh, like the way that you cast the I Ching, um, is not very much on, I mean, is somewhat similar to the way that you cast runes.
01:04:27.260I mean, if you're, if you, if you really wanted to do the I Ching, again, I mean, I'm reaching back into the dustbin of the 1990s here, but in my system, you know, when I was going through this stuff.
01:04:46.680But like one thing, there are two ways to do the I Ching.0.97
01:05:04.080And so that's where you do it with coins.
01:05:07.820And it seemed to me like when I was reading about it, that the yarrow stick method was preferable because that was the original way of doing it.
01:05:16.000it yields slightly different results um but like inside the eaching system yes it is very much
01:05:24.880you know the the 64e uh trigrams of the eaching are very much um a divinatory system um which the
01:05:38.320chinese have traditionally used for um picking on auspicious days for example like you know
01:05:44.960know, you know, when should I form my corporation? Should it, you know, and you fool around with1.00
01:05:50.620that stuff and like a proper, um, teaching analysis takes a good long time, 15, 20 minutes
01:05:57.400as I understand it. Um, but you know, again, that's, you know, I think a lot of that
01:06:05.760take the bigger to remove that one step like the
01:06:11.360it has validity the runes do as well of course but it's really about like putting your mind in
01:06:21.880there that's why i think like the longer term like doing it longer um you know as opposed to
01:06:29.700you know taking 20 seconds and you know just plucking a ruin out of your bag
01:06:34.760um which i don't entirely discount but like you want to you know but it's better to to do it over
01:06:44.160a long period of time so that because again what you're trying to manifest is you're you're trying
01:06:50.360to direct your will into this divinatory system so and those sorts of things transmuting subtle
01:06:59.020energy into the physical world and back
01:19:52.660so a uh this came in right after that question related issue question
01:19:58.660an economy grows from outside investment so whilst employing the people who you want to
01:20:03.940put food on their table is a no-brainer how choosy are you with clients if you're growing
01:20:11.300it's almost like your internal ethics need to be left at the door uh alan how choosy are you
01:20:19.300with clients up um well lawyers or are notorious for taking money from anybody who will give them
01:20:28.500some and i have to admit that now with a couple of infamous you mean yes infamous um notorious
01:20:40.980is it that's um but with a couple of exceptions i have filed bankruptcies for people um
01:20:54.580that i and i've represented people that um you know that i wouldn't have dinner with
01:21:02.900I mean, if that's the question, like, you know, so that being said, you know, I think there is a certain distance that you have to put your professional life from your personal life.
01:21:16.780I don't think there's anything untoward about that at all, you know, in much the same way that, you know, that like if I was a realtor, I would sell a person a house that I wouldn't want living next door to me.
01:21:35.200But there's a, you know, so, and yes, there are some fine lines in there. And again, you know, I've, I have turned people down from pretty rare, but, you know, people who just seem like they are trying to game the system or if they're, you know, there is some ethical line that I certainly won't cross.
01:22:30.500I don't see anything wrong in this sense.
01:22:37.280One of the things that I do believe, like, in my own internal ethical system,
01:22:42.480and I did look, and we actually did a show about, I think, you know,
01:22:48.160about what the, you know, the Buddhist system, you know,
01:22:54.860the Eightfold Noble Path, to which I would add one, and it would be the Ninefold Noble Path.
01:23:05.940One of those things of the Eightfold Noble Path is right living. I'm sorry, and what they mean
01:23:12.680by that is like the right way of earning the living. So, like, you don't, it would be ethically
01:23:21.840indefensible to be a drug dealer, like a meth dealer or whatever, even though you can make a
01:23:30.360lot of money at it, or fentanyl or any of those sorts of things, you know, selling poison to the
01:23:36.800folk would be an indefensible way of living, right? But at the same time, I don't see the
01:23:50.620same thing. Like if what you are doing is a right way of making a living, you know, like I'm a
01:23:56.280carpenter and I will build a house for, um, somebody that I might think is, um, you know,
01:24:04.480didn't earn his money in the right way. I mean, so, um, with a little more concrete example,
01:24:12.700I might tell you yes or no, but I do really believe that if what you are doing, if your way of living, if the profession that you are engaged in is correct, I don't think that you need to, you know, like if you're running your barber truck up and down the street,
01:24:39.480you don't have to fill it have every client fill out an ethics questionnaire before you
01:24:44.520cut their hair um but there are some lines that i won't cross and that is absolutely a part of
01:24:51.480the integrity that you can manifest as a you know as an entrepreneur like if you have a guy
01:24:59.720that you think you know i mean if he's you know if you're like for example if you have a pool
01:25:08.360company and this pornographer wants to put in a big pool so that they can film porn out there and
01:25:16.680you don't want to do it i you know i think that is the exact right way to approach that you know
01:25:23.480and and it's something that you can do um by when you when you run your own show like i don't i'm
01:25:30.680I'm not going to do your lighting so you can have your – sell your poison to my kids, you know.
01:25:43.240So are you open to lawyer questions that are not financial?
01:27:05.280are criminal defense attorneys obliged to take guilty persons if you have knowledge of their
01:27:13.520criminality or of certain stuff like how how does how does that work in a couple of iterations like
01:27:23.840for their crime that they're trying to seek a defense for but if they're just career if you're
01:27:30.000on retainer to like a mafioso that that's just what they do is organized crime all the time
01:27:36.960what is your legal obligation when it comes to continuing to be their
01:27:43.520mob lawyer to where you are not an accomplice to their criminality but you are doing your
01:27:50.320legal function in the ethics demanded by the bar
01:27:57.120okay that's a big question the um but i think a lot of people are curious about it though
01:28:02.400the right and so the as i understand it
01:28:09.520the way that you have to slice that pair is like you can always give a client advice on how
01:28:19.360to not get on stuff that they've already done right you know so like but you can't give them
01:28:30.480advice on dispose like disposing of evidence or how to commit future crimes like okay when you
01:28:37.120sell this kilo of fentanyl you need to take the money and put it into your bahamas corporate i
01:28:44.640I mean, that's where the ethical line is.
01:28:50.120Although I think if you're doing that full time, you're probably way over the line all the time.
01:28:56.260But when I was practicing criminal law, and I did do some criminal defense work as well, some prosecution work.
01:29:02.320But when I was doing representing criminals, like the, you know, the line is always about you can never tell them how to get away with stuff that they are planning in the future.
01:29:18.880So you can't give them advice on how to do stuff that to minimize their chances of getting caught.
01:29:26.040Well, the other thing that I think, and certainly was my experience as a criminal attorney, is, first of all, by and large, they are all guilty.
01:29:42.700So, but at the same time, the question often comes down to, what are they guilty of?
01:29:50.920You know, I can remember a couple of criminal trials that I did where like the you know, the police always overcharge because that's their way of trying to talk, get people to plead down to a, you know, to a to a crime that really even then is over overstates what they actually did.
01:30:11.280But, you know, the criminal attorney's defense job is to say, well, you know, this wasn't murder.
01:30:29.780You know, those are the, you know, those are the kinds of things.
01:30:32.780So there's definitely an ethical place for ethical criminal practice.
01:30:39.300And the other thing is, like you said, and the idea of, you know, of everybody being entitled to a fair trial is that it protects the system.
01:30:52.920You know, that's the thing that keeps us from living in the, you know, the communist checkup where the cops can just come in and start rooting around in your stuff.0.66
01:31:09.540because if they can't convict you if they find stuff and the search is not valid0.57
01:31:17.140then you know then it keeps up the wall between the integrity of the individual and the
01:31:23.860interests of the state sorry so and i realize it's kind of fanciful but i think it's the stuff
01:31:31.300people kind of wonder about at least i do and i'm kind of taking host advantage um
01:31:36.420um so i wrote down a note because i knew i'd forget it and i'm glad i did because i completely
01:31:44.980forgot it okay i have a question but i'll i'll take the uh the listener's question first um
01:31:54.660and this is i think this is related to this i think that's the crux of my question exclusivity
01:32:00.980within a crime or a client bank if word of mouth is the method of referral what do you do if someone
01:32:08.660who you don't want to work with requests your service as in a gentle no or that isn't going to
01:32:17.060what do you do that's not going to damage your reputation with other people within that client
01:32:25.620subgroup that uh you know if you don't want to take one mob guy's stuff all the five families
01:32:34.580and i mean you could but you could extend that to literally anything if they have friends and
01:32:38.660so much is word of mouth what is your preferred method of telling them to kick rocks that doesn't
01:32:44.740damage your reputation on the street so i'll tell you this short story and it's sort of related
01:32:54.820Maybe I can pick it up into the bigger picture.1.00
01:32:57.960But I had this lady come in who was obviously mentally unstable.1.00
01:33:04.660I'll tell you that my office is like eight or ten blocks from the crazy house.
01:33:11.380So she might have gotten released from her temporary stay at the asylum bedlam down there and walked over to my office and said, you know, Discover Card is suing me.0.95
01:33:51.800And so, like, instead of saying, no, you don't, like, that's such an obvious, like, I just said, well, you know, if you file bankruptcies, then they're going to sell your interest in the Jacksonville Jaguars to pay this debt.
01:34:15.280So I just sort of, in that instance, I was able to sort of judo her out the door by letting her know that, by just accepting her premise and letting her know that because of her ownership interest in these sports ball teams, you know, that she was not a good candidate for bankruptcy.
01:34:35.760Now, it's also true that there are clients that I have ended up with personality clashes, mainly because like I talk and they don't listen.
01:34:53.640So it was the thing of, you know, I've told you the same thing 17 times and you refuse to listen.
01:35:02.020So I am going to fire you as a client.
01:35:04.340There's an orderly process from doing that in bankruptcy. Now, at the same time, you know, did that person go and bad mouth me to her friends? Probably, you know, but first of all, you got to counter that by being like the person of infinite patience with all the other clients that, you know, that mouth off to you because they do.
01:35:34.340And whoever, and I am relatively certain, like, everybody that she tried to badmouth me to goes, well, you know, really, I can see his point.
01:35:47.780Because, like, when I talk, you don't listen to me either.
01:35:51.480So, you know, it's going to be that thing of, yeah, it's, you, but you can't, you can't please everybody.
01:36:01.700And sometimes it's a fine line that you have to walk.
01:36:06.560I think I'm much more patient with my clients than they, often than they deserve.0.99
01:36:12.120How many opportunities do you think you've missed from the ebbing-hued gentleman on the Magic and the Jaguars?
01:36:22.840I doubt any, but I can tell you this.0.98
01:36:26.920You don't have any, so you don't know.
01:36:30.340You don't, it's like, you know, I guess I didn't get any of the referrals from her that I might have otherwise gotten.
01:36:40.760Okay, so conversely, have you gotten any referrals from the indigent and mentally ill community of the area?
01:36:50.260No, but I've gotten lots of referrals from the church communities with which I have built good structures, both by doing a really good job, decent job for, you know, for a decent price for these people.
01:37:10.520And also, like a couple of times, they have reached out to me for special projects that their church was doing, and I give them some money, you know, because, first of all, you know, I think the black church is a strong center of social cohesion.
01:37:31.480And I think it and I am happy to support the work that they do for their, you know, for their people.
01:37:39.080And, you know, so when they ask, I give.
01:37:45.140And I think that's, you know, I think that's absolutely right.
01:37:47.620I don't believe in their God, but, you know, but I do believe that because they believe it, it helps them be better people.
01:37:56.340And so I'm willing to help them do that.
01:37:59.400i this is a fun topic this evening that we've gotten into and i'm glad people are participating
01:38:06.040um so again another follow-up on this thing okay first a side note uh jokingly they asked
01:38:15.880if the mafioso that i mentioned was full interesting it's come to my knowledge that
01:38:21.560originally the answer would have to be yes you well it depends on your views of the make the
01:38:27.720ethnic makeup of sicily originally i guess you had to be sicilian on both sides then you had
01:38:33.720to be italian on both sides and my current understanding is that you need to be italian
01:38:40.840on your father's side so that does open up the floor to them perhaps not being full
01:38:47.320um let's keep keep my ear to the streets um but the follow-up from our listeners
01:38:54.840Yeah, but say your client, who is your type of person, is your biggest client.
01:39:02.840Say multi-millionaire, and he refers his cousin, who is a real wrong-in.
01:39:13.840You like one client and value their business, but they sent you a bad referral.
01:39:19.840And they'll take offense if you think it is a bad referral.
01:39:23.840I appreciate we are playing out this scenario to the hilt, so.
01:39:32.340Well, like for me, like one of the things in my practice is I have a broad client base.
01:39:39.240I don't, you know, so in my personal practice, you know, it's lots of little cases as opposed to a few big cases.
01:39:47.620that being said like if i depends on how wrong the guy is you know like
01:39:57.300you know and i know there are some types of people out there who are like you're going to
01:40:05.860defend my cousin you know i don't care if he did chop that girl up you know he's a good boy and you
01:40:14.700You know, I would start by trying to tell my big client, I'd try to tell the guy, you know, look, I can't represent this guy because of, I would try, you know, again, I'd try to find a way to judo him out the door, right?
01:40:36.780You know, he told me that he did it. So now I can't put him on the stand and have him deny it because now I know he, you know, I know he's guilty. I will find him and I will find another attorney when you need to go talk to this other attorney that, you know, he specializes in this little niche area that your cousin needs where I don't really know exactly what the, you know, I'm not as versed in that.
01:41:03.280And he would be better represented by, you know, a different attorney who knows more about that area of the law.
01:41:09.620So there's a way to do it to begin with.
01:41:13.440There's a way to do it that is tactful and judicious.
01:41:25.240At the same time, like if the guy insists, you just at some point you got to say no.
01:41:31.260But like, for example, OK, here's what here's one. Here's an example from my own practice.
01:41:38.260I had some people. That. I filed a chapter seven bankruptcy for them.
01:41:48.440And. It's kind of an interesting history, like the procedural parts sort of interesting, but like the day before a deposition in their case,
01:41:59.760They came to me and said, there's something we didn't tell you.
01:42:10.000So the guy, like at some point in the distant past, he had made a big lot of money, bought a condominium in Costa Rica that at that point was like worth $700,000 to $800,000.
01:42:23.600dollars. I said, we own this condo down there and we didn't disclose it.
01:42:33.360So I said, well, that means that we do one of two things either now that you've told me,
01:42:39.080you know, I either withdraw from the case or we amend your schedules because, you know,
01:42:46.180bankruptcy has a list of all your property that you're supposed to disclose and you have to
01:42:50.080disclose everything so you so like we either disclose this condominium or i withdraw from the
01:42:55.920case and they told me to would you know they told me to disclose it because of course if i had
01:43:02.700withdrawn from the case the attorneys on the other side would have a really good idea why
01:43:08.020so uh and and of course those people lost their discharge and it's you know they would have lost
01:43:15.180the condo if they had disclosed it on the front end. But now instead of just losing the $600,000
01:43:23.620condo, you know, they got stuck with that. I think it was like a million and a half was their
01:43:28.680total debt. So, you know, they took a gamble and lost, but I could not represent them unless they
01:43:36.900were going to disclose it. And that's one of the things about bankruptcy as opposed to many other
01:43:43.400areas of the law like one of the one of the things in bankruptcy is that is that you have to disclose
01:43:49.560everything like part of part of the game in many other types of litigation is you know it's hiding
01:43:57.000the ball like you you know i have this document over here but you have but i don't have to show
01:44:02.760it to you unless you ask me for it in exactly the right way um which one reason i like bankruptcy
01:44:08.920instead of this other stuff, because there's less, there's a lot less of that
01:44:11.860lawyering that for which lawyers are held in ill repute, you know, the, and I think rightly so,
01:44:26.640you know, that that's why so many lawyers are looked down on, you know, if I, because, you
01:44:34.760know, they do try to hide the ball. And of course it's in, it's often in their client's best interest,
01:44:38.720but it's not in society's best interest to have these things go on.
01:44:43.920That's mostly subterfuge and misdirection.
01:44:48.320So presented with that, like at the end of the day, like if,
01:44:55.000if that like, then when it comes to finally get around the answer to the question,
01:45:59.620and one of my classmates had developed a,
01:46:03.740so he started off doing criminal law and got to be pretty good at it so he developed a
01:46:11.460subspecialty of representing pedophiles and yes and so apparently the pedophiles all sort of know
01:46:23.800each other in the biblical sense and so the um so like once he got this really good result for this
01:46:33.460for one of them then they all started calling him right so he was representing all these pedophiles
01:46:39.620which they're willing to pay a lot of money to keep from going to jail but man he had changed
01:46:49.560so much like you know he had aged 25 years in that 10 years and he was just you could just tell
01:46:56.280like he he was not he was not in a good place mentally so uh you know i really should look
01:47:05.720now want to try to look him up and see if he got out of that because you know again
01:47:11.400like he's making lots of money he's doing a good job for his client but yuck
01:47:16.840yuck indeed so i appreciate you opening the floor to just discussing the the uh career of lawyering
01:47:30.200because it is fascinating um and it's generating a lot of interest it's a really good show tonight
01:47:36.680i'm very happy with that i gotta i got a question that came up
01:47:41.800and i don't know how this is true but i don't know how true it is exactly but there's some
01:47:50.760kind of an adage that the average person commits three felonies a day because of the way the laws
01:47:56.440are set up to where people who want to jam you up have infinite ability to because
01:48:04.040there are so many laws and they are so byzantine in their
01:48:08.280construction that it's very difficult to know that being the case what is a person's best bet to avoid
01:48:23.000getting caught in those things unnecessarily or you know knowing that the average person in their
01:48:28.760normal day-to-day and you may disagree with premise but assuming that you agree with the premise
01:48:33.400In the course of your day-to-day, knowing that unknowingly the average person is going to commit these many felonies a day because of how things are structured, what advice would you give to avoid that?
01:48:49.260Especially if you're a person who feels like they may be of interest for somebody to jail.
01:48:58.880I would say, I think I've sort of heard something like that, too.
01:49:03.240I would say you're more likely to commit three or four misdemeanors a day,
01:49:08.300especially if we're talking about traffic laws.
01:49:11.200But generally, so this has been my experience.
01:49:20.700Like generally, the cops are pretty understanding.
01:49:26.460I know people may disagree with that premise, but cops, like, and you just go,
01:50:35.840speakeasies, right? You could sneak in the back door if you knew the code
01:50:40.020and they'd sell you a six-pack of beer for twice the retail price or whatever.
01:50:44.260Those are the kinds of things that at some
01:50:48.360level, though, when you're getting involved with that, I mean,
01:50:52.100You know the things that are wrong, and for the most part, there are things that if you don't know it, and you do it, and it's not obvious that it should have been wrong, then again, if the cops overcharge you, there are layers of insulation, right?
01:51:18.180like the if you get charged with that then uh you talk to the district attorney and typically they
01:51:25.540will walk the charge back or you know dismiss it um you get with an attorney who can you know act
01:51:35.460as the mouthpiece and explain to the district attorney why you didn't know what was going on
01:51:39.460was wrong um now to back that up a step though and how do you keep from how do you avoid doing
01:51:48.100getting involved in any of that sort of stuff if it feels wrong then it probably is like if you
01:56:42.500beginning of it and so and you know as far as
01:56:46.720Incantations, I know, so like I'm, we do a lot of what we call galder, which is the ritual incantation of runes.
01:57:03.500I'm resisting looking up exactly what the word incantation means, but, you know, we do rune chanting that would, you know, that is, you know, that again, it harmonizes the mental elevation of all the people who are there.
01:57:33.500It harmonizes us into the space and into the multiverse and allows us to more freely commune with our gods.
01:57:56.740We have, you know, I wonder when I read the question, yes, we pray.
01:58:01.660yes we chant which is my understanding of you know incantation is like a spoken spell or a
01:58:11.980chanted spell certainly have those talks about um in the habamal talks about odrun songs there's
01:58:21.960very often a vocal component in much of our magical working usually it's referred to as
01:58:29.940galder but it is you know there's different cadences alan likes a happy cadence i like a more
01:58:39.780a dirge dirge full and i don't think that's a we counterpoint on it but i don't think any of
01:58:46.100them's wrong it depends on what you're trying to do what i really like with rune galder is the
01:58:51.940The long intonation of the vowel sound, because I really like the harmony and I like what
01:59:02.140it does when I do it long enough over time.
01:59:05.580That elongated vowel sound tends to, I don't know how to describe that, it gets my body
01:59:14.280to make the noise and ride the rhythm of making the noise without me consciously having to
01:59:20.260initiate it um i if that doesn't make sense i apologize if it does then cool um
01:59:29.540as far as but when i read the question i thought you were asking more about like
01:59:35.540do we have institutionalized prayers like um like the our fathers or the hail mary's
01:59:42.660or the you know the lord's prayer or things that other religions might have that or the
01:59:47.700guy tree mantra like specific different religions have very specific prayer sequences
01:59:53.860the closest thing i think we have to that is the sigrifimo uh or the greeting to the day
02:00:01.700prayer um that's our most common one that folks do and um you know i different people have a
02:00:12.500a different translation or whatever basically hail day hail the sons of day hail the night and
02:00:18.340her daughters look on us now with loving eyes awaiting we find victory hail you gods you
02:00:26.420goddesses hail hail the earth all giving grant us wisdom goodly speech and healing hands throughout
02:00:34.740our lives um and yeah there's nick's one is a little bit different than one again
02:00:43.940this is english of the old norse one and i could try to do it in the old norse but i would kind of
02:00:49.060embarrass myself so i will refrain i perhaps offend the law speaker so i will i'll refrain
02:00:55.380I like my rhyming diction that I did, but I, and as you know, I think we should be developing those sorts of things.
02:01:06.520Because, you know, the secret driven mall is just the one that has come down to us through, you know, through the Lord.
02:01:18.900But I truly believe that we would be well served because so many of our folk, and especially the folk who are like also too curious and like they, you know, but they're not sure.
02:01:34.960I get lots of questions like, is it okay to pray this way?
02:08:52.800In sorting that out, we did look into and explore some other banking options.
02:08:57.780One of them that looked very good, that seems to be their business model, is specifically
02:09:03.680for conservatives who have trouble getting banking or have been debanked, is Old Glory
02:09:09.380bank and to my understanding they have a built-in i don't know about their crypto wallet situation
02:09:20.260but i think they have a built-in crypto offering but check me on that to make sure i do believe
02:09:26.340they are built to work well with crypto transactions and they are specifically with
02:09:33.220the business business model to deal with folks who have been debanked or are having trouble
02:09:38.420banking due to their deeply held religious beliefs due to their political affiliation
02:09:44.500or due to being canceled for wrong think so check that out and they are fdic insured which is a
02:09:53.140um you know which is another critical element of those sorts of things
02:09:58.340indeed uh is it true that you cannot claim bankruptcy if you start losing a civil lawsuit
02:10:07.380because you are guilty of fraud. For example, forged signatures that lead to heavy plaintiff damages.
02:10:18.820Yes, that is correct. You cannot discharge debts that are based on fraud or
02:10:24.900or malicious injury, specifically to include damages caused from a DUI.
02:10:36.900They also can't discharge child support or student loan debts, of course.
02:10:43.900But then, you know, then I represent people who were accused of having accrued debt by fraud.
02:10:53.900And some of them, it turned out, had committed fraud, but some of them had not. And just because, you know, person A thinks that your client committed fraud, it doesn't mean that they did. It just means that you get to have a trial and let the judge decide.
02:11:15.480all right so isaac asks i was listening to the andy frisella podcast earlier today
02:11:27.960they mentioned that roughly 10 of federal judges were taken on a trip to israel
02:11:33.960what's a way for common folk to fight subversion what would you say to that alan
02:11:39.720If the judges are kissing the wall, what is the average folk to do when dealing with that situation?
02:11:58.720You know, so here's the background to my answer to the next question, Ryan.
02:18:39.320And the voice is an interaction point between your will and the manifesting.
02:18:51.880And so on a – everyone to reach into the tangential space.
02:19:00.240So I've been looking at this thing, this science called cymetics, right?
02:19:05.380And that's the thing, if you've ever seen, like they take these metal plates and they put them over a speaker and they pour sand on the plate, you know, and they do a tone on the speaker and it makes a pattern in the sand.
02:21:26.420Yes. Does that even answer the question? I forgot what the question was sometimes, like I often do. I started talking to myself, and I forgot what the question was.
02:21:41.000All right, next question. I'm just joining in, probably has been asked, tell us your thoughts about, or tell us about ghosts. Are they real? What are they? What are your experiences with them?
02:23:10.360So ghosts and other spiritual energies are a very real part of the multiverse.
02:23:28.860Do you have any ghost stories to relate?
02:23:36.580Not that I'm willing to share in this format.
02:23:40.360Fair enough. Um, yeah, I think some of the, there's detail work on like what that means when you say it. I think there's a way to, I think there's a way to describe it that's scary and there's a way to describe it that's not.
02:24:08.620Now, typically when people are scared, okay, I'll try to answer the question in the way that it was answered, because there were a couple of things.
02:24:17.780So, are they real? Yeah, ghosts are absolutely real.
02:30:14.040i don't know if rich with is the right word there are many instances in the lore
02:30:18.200and in our ancestral writings about how men should be masculine and women should be feminine and for
02:30:29.400a man to be effeminate in a sexual way was a term called ergi which was very much unacceptable to
02:30:41.240our ancestors because it was an aberration to the correct way of things it was an aberration to
02:30:50.200rhido and right action and how men are supposed to behave it was thought so you know gross to0.88
02:31:00.520our ancestors in the germanic tribal area era that homosexuals would be pressed into bogs0.94
02:31:11.240the along with cowards who ran in the face of battle because criminality would be punished0.70
02:31:18.440publicly so everyone could see the wrongdoing and as an example learn not to do it but criminals0.97
02:31:25.640execute or people executed for battlefield cowardice and homosexuality were so
02:31:33.080and i'm trying to think of the way it was translated but basically the reminder of their0.51
02:31:41.000aberrant behavior was so offensive that it was best to be kept out of sight and you know sunk
02:31:48.440into the bog so it was out of public view and out of the the site of the tribe so very much the0.54
02:31:56.600spiritual thing that specifically male homosexuality was so unacceptable that that was to be you know0.65
02:32:06.840which try to make that as non-existent as possible because it's such an affront to the core values of0.95
02:32:13.240masculinity and manhood and i think that we understand that certainly as men to be true
02:32:19.240in the case male homosexuality um but also organizationally and spiritually and i don't
02:32:27.000think that there is a separation we're a church so any any value that we have organizationally0.77
02:32:33.400has spiritual components to it homosexuality especially male homosexuality is homosexuality0.99
02:32:45.560generally is a very concerning mental illness male homosexuality is particularly concerned0.98
02:32:56.360and people may disagree with me on the particular science or whatever else
02:33:03.320but it is strongly held to understanding that
02:33:09.560it's one of those things that seems to be spread by
02:33:15.560There's probably a better term by vampirism.1.00
02:33:18.520The way it spreads is gay men molest young boys.1.00
02:33:25.900Those young boys who experience molestation, a portion of them, one of the unfortunate aspects of that is they tend to then inflict that upon other boys when they become adults.0.99
02:33:42.240and that is a overwhelmingly common and tragic situation and it's very unhealthy for our folk
02:33:50.880and we can't let that danger in to our inning guard so that's why we don't allow that in the0.96
02:33:58.400australian folk assembly that's one of the reasons we don't allow that in the australian folks
02:34:04.720alan do you have anything to add on that i think you summed it up neatly
02:34:08.960all right so all right do sovereign citizens ever win in court no
02:34:18.920so yeah give me more around that because this again so first of all like again you know i came
02:34:35.820to rock traditionalism by through the libertarian pipeline so i have some sympathy for the idea that
02:34:44.620sovereign citizens are trying to promote um however come having come to a deeper understanding
02:34:52.620of what it that the the sovereign unit is not the individual the sovereign unit is the tribe or
02:35:05.820In the modern iteration, you know, the sovereign unit is the nation state. So I think sovereign citizens are an outgrowth of the radical individualism, which is just a wrongheaded interpretation of
02:35:35.820uh, what it means to be a person. Like you were like,
02:35:42.360I can't remember what writer said, you know, no man is an island. And that's,
02:35:47.720and that's absolutely true. Um, I think anarchists, I mean, I've, back in the day,
02:35:54.620I read Lysander Spooner, you know, the, you know, and while I didn't sign the social contract,
02:36:02.660I am a member of the social compact by implication.
02:36:07.780We all have a duty to each other to support and uphold the rights of all.
02:36:16.660And again, you know, I've done some reading on the income tax thing and have a lot of sympathy and understanding for what they're trying to do.
02:36:29.360And I think they're right on the law on a lot of it.
02:36:31.720I don't think the, what was it, the 16th Amendment?
02:36:36.340I don't think it was ever, or was it the 18th, 16th?
02:36:39.760I don't think the income tax amendment was properly added to the Constitution,
02:36:42.860but it's there, and you're going to go to jail if you don't pay your taxes.
02:36:47.020So, and I mean, and again, I get the sovereign citizen thing.
02:36:50.820You know, I know what they're trying to get to.
02:36:57.660I just think they're wrongheaded about it.
02:36:59.820you know you know to me it's a lot like i i think that i think rights come with duties
02:37:10.300right and that was the um the that and that's the failing of the republic is that right now
02:37:17.980it's all right and no obligation and that's why this country's falling apart like it is is that um
02:37:25.980Um, people, you know, want free stuff, but they won't put their shopping cart up when
02:37:52.060Is there any theory to that or how they skate, how any of them skate by?
02:37:57.460Well, so, I mean, it's, I guess there's some analogy to, and I hate to use it because it's so overdone as a trope, but like to the flat earth people, right?
02:38:13.640Like if you hold your head just right and squint and, you know, pick, you know, then this way through here is a proper understanding of what they think of as the principles that underlie the Declaration of Independence, for example.
02:38:39.160You know, but again, you know, like the, one of the things that I don't know a lot about the sovereign citizen movement, I mean, not a lot of particulars, but I know one of the things is they think you can't be, that you don't need a license to drive a car.
02:38:56.720So you shouldn't, like you should be able to drive your car and not require a license plate.
02:39:04.180Okay. And I know that's frequently how these guys get stopped and end up interacting with police because they have a, you know, they get a magic marker and write sovereign citizen and put that on the back of their car.
02:39:18.560bad idea so um you know but again what they want is they want their right to travel
02:39:28.740unharried by the police but they forget the police
02:39:33.380and the law more generally is all of us like i want the right to be able to go where i want to
02:39:45.600also but the only way you get there is through the road and the road has to be policed in the
02:39:51.520in the small like it has to be maintained and there has to be a mechanism for
02:40:02.800getting bad people off the road um and you know we've been way too tolerant of crime in general
02:40:09.840And, you know, and again, sure, you can travel wherever you want to, but if you're going to use the road that is paid for with tax dollars, then you've got to comply with the, you know, if you're going to drive the king's road, you've got to pay the king's toll.
02:40:26.340um so i think anarchism is misplaced libertarianism too in its own way i mean
02:40:36.220i it still informs a lot of the way that i understand governance and political theory but
02:41:47.140of his own sovereign citizen country or whatever and so he created a diplomatic driver's license
02:41:56.160with whatever spiel that sovereign citizens want you to say on your driver's license
02:42:02.720and he's made it work and what he's made it work as is it's like not worth the time for the
02:42:11.500rookie traffic cop to deal with because it's confusing and whatever so he's pulled the jedi
02:42:20.140mind trick with it where he's like no this is my thing i'm a sovereign citizen see i represent the
02:42:27.020bushido khan nation and i'm an ambassador and i have diplomatic immunity and i'm
02:42:34.460and the guys at some point the guys sir just just slow down okay just slow down drive safe okay
02:42:41.500all right cool like there's been situations where i think they get away with it sometimes
02:42:47.500because if it's something small it's not worth the hassle through the process
02:42:52.460but but at the same time like so let's say
02:42:58.900like all right he's a sovereign citizen which means that he is
02:43:04.240untied from the rights and obligations of the country of the united states right so let's say
02:43:14.160that i set up an adjoining country right next to him and i came in with a bigger force you know and
02:43:20.600where he's uh you know where he is a believes in hand-to-hand combat maybe i have a cavalry
02:43:27.160So I take, so I overwhelm him with my pikemen come in and take him and his stuff and, you know, but he's a sovereign citizen. So, I mean, that means that the United States has no, or the state of Nevada, has no obligation to defend him.
02:43:49.440I mean, is he willing to take that as the as the because that is the that is the necessary corollary of him saying, you know, I have no duty to comply with the laws of this country because I am outside this country.
02:44:07.640OK, fine. I'll come in and take your stuff.
02:44:14.600I mean. I wouldn't, but I know people would.
02:44:19.440yeah it's yeah i mean but you see what i'm getting at right i mean that no absolutely i
02:44:25.520they don't in my experience well and some of them do i guess but in my experience there's often not
02:44:31.900an understanding that they are forfeiting rights in their theory it's more like they're forfeiting
02:44:37.180accountability but they're still trying to maintain rights right um all rights no responsibility
02:44:43.300and i don't think that you know in fairness i don't think a sovereign citizen would express
02:44:51.060it that way also they get real mad if you call them sovereign citizen that's not the en vogue
02:44:57.620thing to call them now they've got different little stuff that they want to refer to themselves
02:45:02.020as they don't identify as that anymore so if you keep up with that sort of thing
02:45:07.780so i gotta i got a question we do have some more a little bit more questions here but not a ton
02:45:13.300there is a big thing and you see this in videos with lawyers and stuff about how you should never
02:45:23.700talk to the police if you get pulled over or if they approach you about anything or if they you
02:45:29.740know ask you stuff you should never let them into your house you should never let them in that have
02:45:34.780access to anything that you do and you should never talk to them and basically you know I'll0.66
02:45:42.820talk when my lawyer's present uh otherwise i have nothing to say or whatever the script that they
02:45:48.680have that's become a really popular meme like you when they pull you over for a traffic thing like
02:45:55.220putting up a little placard in your window with your registration and your stuff saying i don't
02:46:00.840have to talk to you what do you say to that whole meme and then what how would you advise people
02:46:10.560engage with law enforcement if they are stopped or asked questions or if one wants to you know
02:46:18.780sit down and have a conversation with you assuming that you're not guilty of crimes
02:46:24.840of which rhymes you know if uh sure it's you know so like initially
02:46:35.640I guess I can also disclose that I have had more than a couple of interactions with the
02:46:44.040um you know with law enforcement over my driving habits um I was shocked not gotten nearly as many
02:46:54.920tickets as I deserved but I'm always friendly and interactive with them you know and it's
02:47:01.700And it's gotten me out of lots of tickets.
02:47:04.680On the traffic thing, I don't think you have as much leeway when you're driving in your car.
02:47:19.700Now, you can absolutely deny them the right to search your vehicle unless you give them probable cause.
02:47:31.760And, of course, this is the way that a lot of the system ends up working, right?
02:47:37.200The more belligerent you are toward the police when they stop you for a traffic infraction, the more they have a tendency to be able to be justified in getting, you know, a right to search.
02:47:53.320So, you know, there's a there's a really fine line in there.
02:47:56.900At the same time, most of the time, in my experience, like if you're ready with the license, hands on the wheel, here's my license and insurance, I'm sorry I was driving fast, I don't have an excuse, you either get a ticket or you don't, you're on your way pretty quickly.0.99
02:48:17.000But if you start showing your ass, you can go to jail.0.94
02:48:23.200I mean, you can turn traffic stop into a felony.1.00
02:48:26.900wrongheaded belligerents. At the same time, if they start asking you about a search,
02:48:36.440no, I don't consent to a search. Do you have anything in here we need to be concerned about?
02:48:41.040I don't consent. You just don't answer the question like that. You don't say,
02:48:46.660I don't have anything in here. I don't consent to a search. I'm obviously in a hurry. I'd like
02:48:54.260be on my way so you can you can do that part of it right that is the that is the right way to
02:49:03.540negotiate that part of the transaction at home very different when you are
02:49:11.060the the the police cannot enter past your front stoop they are um uh
02:49:19.060I forget. They're not trespassers, but they're not invitees. They have the right to walk up to
02:49:30.420your door and knock on the door and say, can I come in and look around? And you have the right
02:49:37.220to say, no, you cannot. You cannot come in here and look around. In fact, what I've seen that
02:49:41.780does actually work is you come outside, close the door and sit out and have a nice chat with them
02:49:47.660outside. No, you can't come in. I'm not answering any questions. I'll call my lawyer if you need
02:49:54.140to have an interview out here, and he'll come down here and we'll talk. And with that, and
02:50:01.580not with that, any more than that, the cops don't have the right to do anything else. They have to
02:50:05.700Right now, if they have reasonable suspicion, like if you come out and you got a big crust of some kind of powdery substance all over your nose, then, you know, they, that may give them probable cause to come in there and search the house.
02:50:29.220I mean, you know, but again, there's a gray line in between and they're on the road.
02:50:36.040You don't have as many rights as you do at home.
02:50:39.800But at the same time, like if you're like most, cops are people too.
02:50:47.680And if you act, if you act to them like you would act to any other people, most of the time they end up being pretty copacetic.
02:50:59.220I'll tell you this, because it's past and beyond statute of limitations, right?
02:51:05.140I've been stopped plenty of times with illegal substances in the car.
02:51:11.660And I go, sorry, you got anything in the car?