Asatru Folk Assembly - 10⧸30⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 121 - Hyndluljóð

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00:03:00.000 hello everyone and welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps

00:03:13.980 it's good to be with you guys this evening i apologize last week i had a family appointment

00:03:23.940 i had to be at and luckily we had whit and daniel young to host that episode got really good

00:03:30.500 feedback and uh i'm glad that went well it's good to be back here talking with spawn and

00:03:38.900 so everybody can get prepped so everybody can get prepped and ready um

00:03:46.500 Um, tonight we will be going over the Henlo-yo.

00:03:57.400 Doesn't quite roll off my tongue at this point, but I'm working on it.

00:04:01.520 Um, Nick put the link up.

00:04:03.820 As always, we're going to go through the Bellows translation.

00:04:07.780 Feel free to use whichever translation you like and follow along with us.

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00:05:54.100 as we always do ones that are relevant to the topic at hand we may thread in during the uh

00:06:04.500 during the reading but we'll save the ones that are you know seemingly unrelated until the end of

00:06:10.260 the until we're done reading the the source material swan what do folks need to know going

00:06:17.940 into tonight's poem um this poem is actually not from the adas um it's from another collection

00:06:32.340 of poems and on top of that it was cloven and had another poem inserted in it and so

00:06:41.620 So it causes a lot of confusion.

00:06:44.080 And in actuality, the tiny poem that's placed in the middle of this poem is the next poem

00:06:53.020 that we're going to be covering, oftentimes called The Little Velocity.

00:06:58.700 And it doesn't fit well within it.

00:07:03.240 So there's a lot of questions as to exactly how and why this situation happened.

00:07:09.320 It was pretty late on when it was recorded, but yet the poems, both poems, hold names and places that would most likely be linking all the way back to continental migration period Europe, including the Germans and the Goths, etc.

00:07:29.900 So it is a very old poem, or at least the poet that constructed it may have had either verses or an extensive knowledge passed down to him about the origins or place names of many of the folk that are mentioned.

00:07:52.300 But again, by this time, if the audience doesn't know who's being spoken of, sometimes it can kind of stop the poem's usage.

00:08:03.680 And it becomes more about something that poets remember in order to learn verse.

00:08:10.620 And I think that's the case with this one.

00:08:13.500 This is a very interesting poem because it's focusing around the Holy Freya. 0.53

00:08:18.880 um and it involves her and a troll witch um and the the dichotomy of this is interesting on top

00:08:30.200 of the reasonings why the holy freya is interacting with her and some of the things she says um

00:08:38.860 Because, and it's not really stated until later on in the poem, that the boar that she is riding is not Hildesfien, it is a mortal or an arisen mortal, perhaps even an elevated mortal, that is a devout follower of the holy Freya.

00:09:05.920 So she is attempting to interconnect him to the lines of his ancestors so that he may gain great power.

00:09:16.520 And the entirety of this poem doesn't necessarily state that, you know, if he is mortal or if he is a risen.

00:09:24.780 And it also brings the question with some other names dropped.

00:09:29.560 But yeah, the poem is relatively short.

00:09:35.920 and drop some interesting things there's also again names that may they could allude to other

00:09:42.460 poems perhaps poems of kings of old from Denmark from Sweden from um continental Germany but they

00:09:51.980 don't really go any further and that's why I was I was stating too that this might have been a poem

00:09:57.700 that by the 14th or say 13th to 14th century, a lot of the meaning behind it was, was lost.

00:10:05.680 Uh, another thing too, is some of the Kings that are mentioned are generally seen as legendary

00:10:12.020 or mythical Kings that we don't know any origin of, or that they may have been spoken about

00:10:19.900 in circles of of poets by the uh nordic period of our um the history of our religion so

00:10:30.780 but that's about the thing that makes it interesting i i also wanted to bring up some

00:10:35.580 topics that we can cover during the poem about um the nature of femininity the nature of um

00:10:44.540 witchcraft and its its conceptualization so i thought it was kind of fitting that we're hitting

00:10:49.580 this right near the secular holiday of of halloween um where uh we can kind of discuss

00:10:57.500 some of these things that have been laid out and and my thoughts on um where our ancestors

00:11:05.980 uh truly looked at a lot of these uh elements in in our um mythos and in our our uh kind of

00:11:15.660 of ecology of, of spiritual beings, if you will.

00:11:24.900 All right. Well, if we are all set and all ready, um, actually, before we get into it,

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00:12:50.000 everybody who contributes so thank you for that and that said we can uh start whenever you are

00:12:57.920 ready smart all right um so again i i gave a preface that uh this poem was fragmented and so

00:13:10.640 it it's generally separated from the second poem and you'll you know as we go into and i think we

00:13:17.600 covered this um with the halvamal that the the concept of poems kind of being played in or

00:13:26.560 written on top of each other is a is a common issue uh that's presented and um

00:13:36.400 in this case you know they they the including bellows and most everyone

00:13:41.600 removes it in order to just speak the poem in its entirety and um the holy freya is now

00:13:52.000 in essence riding up to this this cave not in heaven so most likely it would be indicated as

00:14:02.020 being in Jotunheim and she is beckoning the troll witch Hindla of course who the

00:14:12.100 poem's name is um uh mentioned and she is attempting to gain her uh wisdom and in doing so

00:14:23.580 there becomes an exchange very very similar to say how lord odin and um threem or uh you know

00:14:33.560 any, like, him and

00:14:36.900 as soon as I'm thinking it, it just, like, pops right out of my

00:14:41.260 head. When he

00:14:45.480 goes and he exchanges it, but it's not done under the

00:14:48.600 like, the predicate that they're doing some sort of battle. This is much

00:14:53.380 more a, an attempt at

00:14:57.360 guile, and then the guile turns into this kind of

00:15:01.420 revelation, if you will. So, we can start out on stanza one.

00:15:10.940 Before we do, I want to make a little note just real quick. And I go over this often.

00:15:19.320 We're starting to get into some of the more obscure bits of lore. And we get

00:15:25.900 we get bits and pieces sometimes of things that are less less perfect than we like that are uh

00:15:35.580 more fragmentary or you know with a lot of alterations and things what i

00:15:43.100 this this may be i don't know a counterintuitive or a mutation of the you know saying to not miss

00:15:57.140 the forest for the trees we're not always looking at the complete forest that's being given to us

00:16:05.000 here yeah that's cool but the value of a lot of these pieces of lore aren't as religious instruction

00:16:13.480 as much as they are familiarizing you with principles cosmology and mythic truths that

00:16:23.080 the audience was well aware of that they're making reference to so a lot of the time when these are

00:16:29.560 just and i say just and i don't mean it like that but some of this poetry is very much meant

00:16:36.040 to preserve lore some of it's meant to entertain um there's different meanings behind each of

00:16:43.560 these poems and that's worth consideration when we gauge them as morality plays or not

00:16:53.480 But what I think is always present is the constant references and callbacks to things that our people knew as religious truths about their world, about their cosmos, about their gods.

00:17:11.540 and that's very valuable so there's all these little bits and pieces so I guess in this yeah

00:17:17.520 keep be mindful of the forest but also appreciate each of the trees because it's made up of these

00:17:24.280 individual little pieces that are all valuable as

00:17:31.300 like encapsulated little treasures of our mythos and our people's connection to their

00:17:41.380 gods at the time all these little callbacks and references are things the audience would

00:17:46.900 be familiar with and certainly the learned amongst the audience would be familiar with

00:17:52.600 and and take note of and by immersing ourselves in our lore we immerse ourselves in our ancestors

00:18:03.880 connection to their gods and i think that helps deepen our own connection

00:18:10.920 i just want to put that out there please proceed yeah and to kind of piggyback a little bit too

00:18:17.800 i think it's worth noting that by this time the editing of the poems the construction of the

00:18:26.600 poems outside of the adas starts to get hit or miss as far as the exuberance is how it how it is

00:18:36.520 it is um you know told or explained and the other thing too is i i think that there is an effect

00:18:45.000 that takes place that's far more present you know when when people say oh you know snorty

00:18:50.120 was a christian and he christianized i think one of the bigger things that goes on during this

00:18:57.400 you know these poems is that um the the faith um is starting to turn and lose its power in the

00:19:07.960 courts of the jarls um the money to be gained the power to be gained the wives to be gained from

00:19:18.120 converting to christianity was really a top-down um sense of you know there was bribery there was

00:19:26.120 um trickery there was you know money and power being thrown around um and when it hit the top

00:19:33.480 and started to flow down into the the courts themselves i think that the the poets also

00:19:40.520 started to show a sense of like a lackluster in speaking about the gods and um perhaps the

00:19:52.360 one of the only reasons why it really stuck around is because they got to speak about warriors of old

00:19:57.720 And so much like with the philosophes in Greece that make the dramas about the Greco-Roman gods more, you know, dramas about, you know, sexual exploits, etc.

00:20:17.980 um that whole thing ends up kind of taking precedent more and more and more and soon

00:20:25.240 the religiosity of the stories gives way to perhaps you know what the audiences are

00:20:33.400 wanting or how at least it's perceived in the time they start to kind of drift away and emphasize

00:20:40.720 different things so that's why you really need to pay attention to these those individual trees

00:20:46.640 because these are the last vestiges

00:20:48.720 of them showing up.

00:20:51.300 Yeah, that's the real meat and taters

00:20:52.880 of especially these

00:20:54.640 later poems.

00:20:56.220 Aren't the whole story themselves,

00:20:58.200 but it's those individual elements

00:21:00.320 and callbacks that are references

00:21:02.320 to our lore from

00:21:04.440 a much more reverent time period.

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00:21:51.920 So in this part here, the Holy Freya is riding out into the dredges, the darkness, the craggy

00:22:06.880 of Jotunheim, and she rides upon a boar, a large boar, who is by her magic a man or an elevated soul

00:22:20.200 who is taken to the shape of a boar. And the ultimate point of this is to attempt to find

00:22:29.660 out his genealogy. And it is known by secret that the Holy Freya knows of this witch and knows of 0.63

00:22:40.100 her because it's lent to it in a certain sense here. And this is where we're going to really

00:22:44.880 crack open some of the more darker sides of the goddess of beauty, the goddess of possession.

00:22:54.260 so she knows where to go and she she rides there and um she dismounts from the boar

00:23:04.240 and makes her way to the the maw of this cave and she speaks out she says maiden awake wake thee my

00:23:15.800 friend my sister hindla in thou hollow cave already comes darkness and ride we must to valhall

00:23:25.240 to seek the sacred hall so right out the gate there's some very interesting things there

00:23:31.160 she calls her a friend and a sister and these are written at as is in the uh old norse translations

00:23:41.760 So this could mean a couple of things, but the mystery of the Holy Freya versus, say, the Queen Frigg is that I think that there was not a besmirchment of her character by Christians, which I think is something that people immediately go to.

00:24:09.700 I think it was placed out there by by unsavory, you know, or just people that have an agenda and they're, you know, oh, the reason why anything that's, you know, particularly wrong or dark or, you know, misaligned towards the Holy Freya is because Christians, you know, they hated women and they wanted to get rid of of her.

00:24:35.460 I'm not saying that that's not true. But what I am saying is, is that there was probably fertile ground to do so in the essence that the Holy Freya is much like with Lord Odin amongst the Anglo-Saxons. 0.67

00:24:54.560 it was very easy to to make lord odin scary and connected to the devil and you know uh not to be

00:25:04.100 trifled with not to make you know to to have these like issues where you would talk or interact

00:25:10.640 because he was instantly seen as just a very scary divine and i think that that's the case

00:25:18.620 that happens with the holy freya in scandinavia and um she she is seen as a friend to witches

00:25:30.220 um that she knows of this and these that ultimately is one of the reasons why i constantly

00:25:37.660 state that i do believe that the holy freya is if we were to talk about the domains or the

00:25:44.060 the thrones of power and dominion in which the gods have one of the ones that the holy freya has

00:25:51.380 is beauty but also possession or really what possession's true root is is is desire and greed

00:26:01.100 the the the darker half of um what people will do in order to attain things and as and i think

00:26:11.840 most people know this, there's that

00:26:13.680 paralleling to Lord

00:26:15.760 Odin because of this

00:26:16.880 nature. And I

00:26:19.820 think it also shows

00:26:21.240 up and has been laid

00:26:23.700 out by

00:26:25.540 the lore towards

00:26:27.640 the Holy Freya. So I think

00:26:29.860 a kind of an important note there that I want

00:26:31.780 to just add.

00:26:36.100 There is a

00:26:37.380 Leos and Merk side

00:26:39.640 to

00:26:40.000 frenzy um offensively one can use

00:26:50.240 um it's so funny because when we talk about magical things getting the precise language can

00:27:02.460 be tricky. You can be overcome by greed and by murderous, metastasized, uncontrolled

00:27:22.280 anger. And you can be completely consumed and possessed and then used for ill. You can

00:27:32.220 also be overcome with inspiration you can be completely overcome with battle frenzy like the

00:27:42.300 berserker um and there's a lot of different applications to that um being overcome by

00:27:53.500 Even finding the right word is hard to come by.

00:28:03.500 So with a lot of polarity amongst our gods, we tend to see a going up and a going down the tree.

00:28:13.720 And we see things that are more primal, more chthonic, more base instinct.

00:28:19.840 And then we have other things that are of the higher self, of the noble mind, of directed will.

00:28:28.200 Those aren't good and bad.

00:28:31.000 There's a balance to where the astral must master the chthonic.

00:28:37.200 But there's value from digging deep into those things that are primal.

00:28:41.580 Just because something is primal and comes from lust or comes from instinct or rage or frenzy isn't bad, but it's in the directedness of that.

00:28:59.920 And you see that throughout and it develops in different ways throughout medieval magical practice.

00:29:07.700 You see it in hermeticism.

00:29:09.280 You see it in a lot of different things.

00:29:11.000 The idea of, you know, the masculine force subsuming the feminine force and directing it in mastery.

00:29:19.940 You see it a lot in the, I think it's one of the mysteries behind the Ekhwa's rune with the rider and the horse.

00:29:38.440 There's a rider and then there's a steed that it rides.

00:29:42.460 the combination of the two makes an unstoppable machine of will and destruction and overcoming

00:29:50.620 but it's because the balance and the direction um so just because something is using

00:30:01.340 the primal primal forces in a sense of overcoming doesn't necessarily put it in a state of

00:30:10.300 of of evil or bad but it's really interesting how these things are used and when we

00:30:18.140 hear elsewhere in the lore of the kind of magical exchange between lady freya and lord odin

00:30:28.220 the exchanging of understanding these magical things the very nature of seether is

00:30:34.700 being being oracular being a vessel for possession and you really see that a lot of these

00:30:48.620 subtle elements here and i think it's kind of laid out in here i just wanted to i don't know

00:30:53.220 if any of that made sense i hope it did and uh if it did i may harken back to it at something

00:30:58.720 but there you go well i wanted to definitely jump on because it does make sense that what you said

00:31:05.860 there is an attempt i think now by certain folks to clean up um what they believe

00:31:15.060 the holy freya should be so again that we've talked about jamming um the gods into frameworks

00:31:22.320 and there's this attempt to, holy moly, see, sorry, I just, the mug, I wasn't trying, but

00:31:32.360 I was definitely outdone. You got the eagle and on the owl. I wasn't even trying, but

00:31:38.920 this has become a thing now. You started it. I wasn't on purpose, but that's good. You cover

00:31:48.160 the sun and i i shall cover the night um um they yeah so there's an image that they're attempting 0.96

00:31:57.000 to kind of place the holy freya in and remove her away from um the the powers of possession and the

00:32:07.380 powers of desire and move her into more of a box of perhaps a vest a vestal um not vestal virgin 0.83

00:32:16.600 but a Vestal maiden. And when there's clear connections that Seder is uniformly tied and

00:32:28.580 intricately woven into her being and what she brings to the gods. So you find these people

00:32:38.260 trying to distance her from Seder, and then they're trying to take Seder and turn it into

00:32:44.480 kind of like the devil's work versus, um, the God's work via Heimdallr and saying, you know,

00:32:52.920 the Heimdallr brings, you know, runes and goodness and Seder was brought by, you know,

00:32:58.440 witches and evil. And, uh, they're trying to, to polarize things, um, and paint things with

00:33:04.700 broad strokes when that's clearly not the case. And we should be very skeptical of this,

00:33:11.760 this ideological thought because i think even though our ancestors definitely had a concept of

00:33:18.640 the evil feminine uh just as much as they did the evil masculine that doesn't as you said doesn't

00:33:25.520 predicate that certain things based off of emotion are are immediately evil and so people that try to

00:33:32.960 jam the the the holy gods into these boxes are doing so under a a desire to create or to agenda

00:33:42.000 agenda size um i don't even know if that's a word to to to formulate agenda um to to whatever ends

00:33:50.080 they're trying to make and so i think that's um egregious and uh and and and wrong thinking

00:33:59.520 when it comes to the way that uh the divine and and observing the divine should be placed the i

00:34:06.320 think the also true focal assembly and you especially have consistently railed the framework

00:34:13.280 of the way that we look at the divine is very important because it it predicates how we are

00:34:21.200 going to move forward and when you start getting that where there's the jamming in the boxes there's

00:34:28.160 um there's not a lot of uh you know self-reflection but giant proclamations uh right out of the gate

00:34:34.400 from books that are written down and and and just that's you know once you write it down that's what

00:34:39.760 you get and these people are i think uh even though they're not being scrutinized for it they

00:34:47.120 should be and perhaps the way that we are speaking about the divine should be looked at maybe people

00:34:51.920 should consider more how the astrotrual folk assembly looks at our gods and our religion before

00:34:57.600 we speak in these grand proclamations um and i i you know there is a deep connection between

00:35:06.080 the the holy freya and witchery or um nor a nornier you know the spinning of of fate and um

00:35:16.560 Important linguistic note, you said Nornir. What does Norn mean in East Linsku and Old Norse?

00:35:29.260 Yeah, it means which. It is parallel to the same significance of meaning. It's not linguistically connected, but it has the same premise of the twining or the rolling of thread. And of course, the thread indicating fate.

00:35:49.860 and this applies on multiple levels. The Nornir, the three that we know of, the origin of time

00:35:57.920 at the well in heaven, they are the twisters of fate for all, but we know of the Deesir. 0.94

00:36:08.320 We know that the Holy Freya is, she is called the Vanadis. The title itself could be utilized

00:36:16.340 for anyone who has the ability to turn and twist fate around themselves or for their people or for

00:36:24.900 those like of their bloodline, like an ancestral desir. It indicates a power that shows

00:36:36.120 that they have an ability to do these things. Whether or not it's willful or whether or not

00:36:43.140 it's based off of um actions well again if we have the will to do something and then we commit a deed

00:36:49.700 and that deed then creates other effects and those effects now have to be twined together

00:36:56.080 that would be what some people would call for the nornir a reactive sense and then other people

00:37:03.000 might say that if you could bid the nornir or your dc or any any of the the fates that that move

00:37:12.380 things that if you could bid them to do things, then they have a willful place. And so I would

00:37:20.560 say that's, that's an interesting topic to consider whether or not when it comes to the

00:37:27.000 process, whether it's, it's willful or whether it's more reactive to, to action, but yeah,

00:37:35.800 And a Nornir, so like, for instance, for Hexenacht that we normally title our holy tide that's

00:37:45.000 really dedicated to the Holy Freya, it would be completely within the confines of logic

00:37:53.220 to also call it like Nornirnacht, and that would be the same thing, Witches' Night.

00:38:00.540 Hexenacht, of course, is the German version, and, you know, it can...

00:38:05.800 you know i i think that we are we could use you know like even uh which are not or uh knocked i

00:38:12.200 can't quite remember how it is in anglo-saxon but um and it would have the same leveled sense

00:38:18.920 so something that at the risk of belaboring this over much that's what i mean this some of the

00:38:26.920 value of some of this lore is it brings up it brings up these subjects and especially some

00:38:33.720 of the value of going over it together um one of the keys to

00:38:44.520 female efficacy in the mundane and in the magical is the idea of leaving things

00:38:54.280 we talk about women within the afa ideally in the best of circumstances being frith weavers 1.00

00:38:59.800 because they're able to weave those bonds between men, between families.

00:39:07.060 The idea of weaving fate, weaving magical will into the weft of the tapestry of our existence

00:39:20.360 is a fundamental theme that we see time and again.

00:39:24.040 And we even see Frigg with the weaving element, with the distaff and the idea of weaving.

00:39:34.240 So this is a very, very important concept to female interaction on the subtle and on the more physical plane.

00:39:48.160 I don't want to beliger it more, but you keep opening up more ideas and thoughts every time you say something, because it does make me think.

00:39:57.820 The other part is the thrones of the tripartite do not confine simply, well, the gods aren't confined to anything, but the tripartite is kind of, again, how we organize it.

00:40:09.760 But this applies to not just the tripartite.

00:40:12.840 Here we see the holy Freya moving between realms.

00:40:17.560 She is out of heaven. She has gone to the middle world, or at least it is presumed, and she is going into the east. So she takes on a dynamic role. And what we find is any of the holy gods that we predominantly see as being in stasis form have very little that besmirches their character as far as in the stories go.

00:40:44.580 if you think about Lord Heimdall and how he comes down and he elevates or rig, you know, he lifts up

00:40:52.680 the folk. He does this, but predominantly he's in stasis. Same with Lord Tyr. There's very little,

00:41:03.020 and it seems to be that with movement, movement creates weird or creates, or law creates deed.

00:41:10.500 And with that comes, you know, again, this kind of overall sense, Lord Odin, the Holy Freyja, and even Lord Thor, as he moves in.

00:41:21.980 And everyone knows he's the, you know, benefit or I guess, excuse me, the benevolence of Thor, but also the scary possibility.

00:41:36.980 Oh, we're talking about Holy Freya and then the cats appear.

00:41:43.440 Yeah, we got a new kitten earlier this afternoon.

00:41:49.600 What's her name?

00:41:50.600 Don't misgender my cat. 0.91

00:41:53.560 I always default to the feminine immediately.

00:41:57.420 His name is Rolo. 0.93

00:41:58.420 There have to be boy cats, boy and girl cats, so there cannot be little baby cats.

00:42:04.980 um so like you had said i i think that it's really important

00:42:17.780 when folk are reading the stories about the holy gods the more they move between realms and uh

00:42:27.540 you know again i the only one that i could say in our lore that moves from stasis to dynamic

00:42:33.540 and catalytic um in repeated sense is is uh lord heimdallin but outside of that the general sense

00:42:44.660 or mode that the the holy gods present themselves in the stories the more they move the more they

00:42:50.980 have a tendency to have um kind of a duality of character um and a kind of murk and lios

00:42:59.540 version of each other. So that's something to consider. And here we clearly see in the story,

00:43:05.300 the Holy Freyja is in a dynamic position. She is moving and creating,

00:43:13.900 seeking knowledge, if you will. So let me see, I moved a little bit here. So she says

00:43:26.680 that she wants to gain the favor of lord odin and this includes bringing hintla so um

00:43:42.280 in stanza two

00:43:46.200 the favor of the hair your father seek we to find

00:43:50.600 To his followers, gold he gladly gives. To Hermoth gave he the helm and mail coat. And to Sigmund, he gave a sword as a gift.

00:44:03.020 So just a little note on that. Sometimes people will see Hermoth, who is clearly in Baldurström, about going down into, or excuse me, after the burial, he goes down into the underworld.

00:44:23.680 the general sense is he's often listed as a son of odin and all of these names mentioned are again

00:44:34.280 the the kingly connections to lord odin um save perhaps one that's mentioned um which would be

00:44:45.260 towards um the holy fray but that doesn't exclude them to be the sons of lord odin and that's that's

00:44:56.220 clearly that that's what's being stated but are they seen as as gods in the sense of the same

00:45:04.060 ilk or are they elevated souls um returning to the upper realm and i think that's more of the

00:45:11.340 of the, um, the case. We see this also too with Meili. Meili is mentioned as being the son of Lord

00:45:18.320 Odin, um, and more, more than likely he is an elevated soul that is, was once treading in Midgard

00:45:27.440 in physical form and was then elevated thereafter and brought up and anointed by the holy gods to,

00:45:34.880 to preside there. Um, and we, we do this through comparison. Clearly she mentions Hermodi and she

00:45:44.680 mentions Sigmundi. And, um, you know, we know of Sigmund from Sig, uh, Sigurd, the, the, uh,

00:45:53.120 the dragon slayer. His father was gifted the sword that eventually led him to victory and that, or

00:46:00.020 led him to meet Lord Odin in death and his son to victory.

00:46:04.160 Excuse me.

00:46:05.300 So in three, and that's another thing I wanted to bring up.

00:46:12.080 You'll notice there is mentioning of the divine giving gifts to their followers,

00:46:20.400 to the ones devoted to them.

00:46:23.560 In this case, Hermoth, Sigmund.

00:46:26.480 They are deemed worthy by the gods and are given great gifts.

00:46:33.200 And that's really what's going on right now with the Holy Freya. 0.86

00:46:37.580 She is going, she's putting her neck out on the line in order to gain information for one of her followers. 0.51

00:46:45.820 So in three, he gives triumph.

00:46:50.680 That's what, it doesn't say that, but that's what she's implying.

00:46:53.140 He gives triumph to some and treasure to others.

00:46:56.480 to many wisdom and skill in words, fair winds to the sailor, to the singer his art,

00:47:04.200 and a manly heart to many a hero. So one might notice fair winds to the sailor.

00:47:12.620 You know, isn't that, you know, the propensity of Lord Nyordur? Why is she saying that Lord

00:47:20.440 And that's because the gods can pick up the elements of Midgard, of all of the nine worlds. They interact with the primordial elements of the worlds that doesn't make them strictly, you know, lord of plants or lord of, I don't know, rocks.

00:47:48.120 or however people kind of have that primitive sense of looking at the gods because, well, in reality, we've kind of been, you know, conditioned to think of the gods that way.

00:48:01.120 But instead, you know, it is extremely powerful beings that are able to shift the oar log in Earth's well.

00:48:12.040 They're able to make the ripples in the water and those ripples have effects.

00:48:16.600 and that's how they manifest their will into Midgard unless they physically come here which

00:48:22.560 they can um but you you kind of see that the all of the gods have the ability to move the

00:48:29.180 the primordial stuffs of the universe um based on uh as like an artist would move paint or a

00:48:39.920 sculptor would would shape stone um and here you know it is saying that you can you know pray to

00:48:47.600 lord odin for good winds fair winds um and we see that a lot in his in his height these as well so

00:48:54.580 um so she says you know triumph to some and treasures to others to many wisdom and skill

00:49:03.960 and words fair winds to the sailor to the singer his art and a manly heart to many a hero

00:49:09.260 So, Thor shall I honor, and this shall I ask.

00:49:14.140 Actually, that's interesting.

00:49:15.080 I wonder if in three she's referencing to Lord Thor as a buildup to his name.

00:49:26.420 I never thought about that until just now.

00:49:31.520 Interesting.

00:49:32.240 um so thor shall i honor and this shall i ask that his favor true mayest thou ever find then

00:49:42.340 there is a line that is is uh illegible and it goes though little the brides of giants he loves

00:49:49.440 so more than likely i'm not saying this is the case but there may be some referencing to

00:49:55.740 the origin of Hindla and what she is. And to think that the gods do not allow

00:50:04.760 troll witches or these chaotic elements into heaven, obviously it happens during Baldur's 1.00

00:50:13.280 funeral with Hyrokin. She rides a wolf and she has snakes as a bridle. And because Lord Thor 0.99

00:50:23.460 is so bereft with grief he can't push the um the boat into the water so um there these elements of

00:50:31.620 chaos again are brought around and al-sir-go they said to the folks listening here that is an element

00:50:38.420 about order kind of controlling confining or channeling the chaotic forces in the universe

00:50:47.780 These are, this is a consistent thing. It doesn't necessarily always mean the eradication of, um, and that we see these forces are brought to, to heal under the dominion of the holy gods in their state of order.

00:51:05.640 um so she says from the stall now one of thy wolves lead forth and along with my boar shall

00:51:20.540 thou let him run for slow my boar goes on the road of the gods and i would not weary my worthy

00:51:28.600 steed. So this is, again, kind of lending to the fact that Otar is the boar right now. And

00:51:38.560 I mean, outside of that, my guesses are that, you know, it's kind of seen that he is not of

00:51:47.120 the realms of heaven. He's not of the realm of the divine, but of the middle world. And that's

00:51:53.180 what kind of binds him or makes him less than what may normally be. But I think it more or less is

00:52:01.360 just a poetic nod to the fact that the boar is not what it seems. And again, her riding a wolf,

00:52:13.500 you know, ride a wolf out. And this is a common trope of the troll witch or the Jotun witch,

00:52:22.680 or the thirst maiden, especially in dealings with magic.

00:52:32.340 So, let's see.

00:52:37.440 Now, at this point, Hindla speaks out from the cave.

00:52:45.300 And she states right out the gate that the Holy Freya is lying. 0.67

00:52:52.680 In 6, falsely thou asketh me, Freyja, to go, for so in the glance of thine eyes I see, on the way of the slain thy lover goes with thee, Ohtar the young, son of Einstein.

00:53:08.760 So here is a calling out 0.84

00:53:16.740 And perhaps the Holy Freyja is attempting to draw Hindla in 0.55

00:53:23.320 And gain conversation on the road 0.95

00:53:25.680 And then have her slain in heaven

00:53:28.800 This again is a consistent point in which

00:53:32.020 The heavenly powers draw up chaotic elements

00:53:35.180 And have them snubbed in the heavenly realm

00:53:38.000 Kind of, again, pulling up a thread from the cosmos

00:53:42.320 And having it, you know, cut and cauterized in heaven

00:53:46.580 And she mentions, too, that he is the son of Instain

00:53:57.140 There's not much to be said about that

00:54:02.860 other than you know is he it's it's it's his father um

00:54:11.660 you know it's it's uh they don't really elaborate and they won't really elaborate on many of the

00:54:16.860 names to come um so you know uh let's see here on on number seven with freya freya speaks wild

00:54:28.460 dreams me thinks are thine when thou sayest my lover is with me on the way of the slain

00:54:35.660 there shrines the boar with bristles of gold hildesmini he who was made by dayen and napi

00:54:44.220 the cunning dwarves so again this is a reference to the other story the creation

00:54:49.340 of Hildeswini, the opposition of Gulenbarsti, or Yulenbarsti, the golden-bristled one that was

00:54:59.660 given to her brother by the dwarves. Now let us down from our saddle's leap and talk of the race 0.79

00:55:10.020 of the heroes twain the men who were born of the gods above so at this point taking the road of the

00:55:21.140 slain bivrost's bridge is kind of abandoned and instead okay let's well let's talk amongst each

00:55:30.100 other and this is an interesting part is again of the men who are born from the gods above

00:55:36.660 those who have the on who have the breath who have the shape from heim dollar's hands um

00:55:44.420 so there's a clear nod here um if anyone is ever looking for any anyone who's ever been asked like

00:55:52.420 why do you think that the gods you know um shaped the folk or why do you think that we are connected

00:55:59.380 to the gods by by blood or by breath or or what have you this is a perfect example here it's

00:56:05.780 it's mentioned we are you know born of the gods of above um in nine there's a a mentioning here

00:56:18.260 it says uh a wager have made in the foreign metal otar the young and angantir we must guard for the

00:56:28.100 hero young to have his father's wealth and the fruits of his race or the really the fruits of

00:56:34.740 his of his people um it's just an interesting side note the word for foreign uh metal is is um

00:56:45.060 uh velja um and it it are uh which in old norse uh is kind of like a conjugate to

00:57:01.140 like welsh it means like an outsider if you will now in modern um icelandic means falcon so perhaps

00:57:09.620 you know it could lend to the idea of one that has traveled far or traveled wide but um it's

00:57:16.260 just an interesting note i think that's something that my poet placed in um that you know i would

00:57:23.460 wager in minted coin and that's that's an interesting point because most of the wealth

00:57:29.860 that was carried by our ancestors at the time was often carried on them via rings via uh you know

00:57:36.420 bracelet arm uh you know necklace and so so forth it was easier to kind of chip out and weigh gold

00:57:47.060 on scales rather than by minting um and minting had you know obviously its own problems with

00:57:55.940 you know people shaving you know pieces off or um mixing it with other metals

00:58:02.660 and it was also very hard to defend um if it was you know coined and held by other people

00:58:10.900 so it was very easy to defend if you were wearing it on your body so that's kind of the reference

00:58:15.940 there um in 10 this is uh the holy freya speaking and again it is very interesting because it's one

00:58:31.300 of the times where a um a hark is mentioned um it says here for me a shrine of stones he made

00:58:43.460 and now to glass the rock has grown oft with the blood of beasts was it read in the goddess

00:58:52.260 ever did otar trust so this is the point in which she states that there is so much uh

00:59:05.940 bloat being conducted on the hark that the blood has glistened the stone um

00:59:12.900 Um, and that this is just more of a testament to his faith in her, his, his, uh, continuance

00:59:21.820 of piety and, and of giving, um, it could also denote perhaps maybe fire, but I think

00:59:30.260 the blood as a, as a reference to glass may be a better analogous, but they, they don't

00:59:37.420 quite specify but again he's just heaping devotion upon the holy freya and now she is turning in kind

00:59:48.300 um and again this also does show that it is you know understood by the people hearing this poem

00:59:55.980 that men could hold troth with the ausinger so

01:00:07.420 um so we move to um 11. and freya speaks

01:00:19.580 uh tell me that tell me now the ancient names and the races of all

01:00:26.140 that were born of old so we see here in the old norse the word actor is brought up again the

01:00:33.580 the family but again it's translated as races the the lineage the line of his people um all the way

01:00:44.100 back um who are of the skildungs who of the skill wings who of the oldlings who of the

01:00:59.600 ill things and ill thing oftentimes is translated to engling or english which is the line of um

01:01:08.880 the swedes who are the freeborn who are the highborn the noblest of men that in midgarth dwell

01:01:18.720 so this part here is mentioning to be honest i think they may have more historical accuracy

01:01:26.800 than translators give them. The only problem is, is I don't exactly know who, and I've, I've been

01:01:32.100 looking to see if there's any connections, but, uh, as of right now, you know, they're these,

01:01:38.040 these names, um, have more localized meaning just like in Beowulf when, um, you know, the, the,

01:01:46.840 the Danes come into their peninsula and they, you know, they fight against the wolflings of that

01:01:54.900 place more likely than not that is the name that the danes gave them perhaps because they

01:02:02.980 um had wolfish sense to them or uh you know perhaps their kid was a was a wolf or their

01:02:10.740 symbology um but that most likely was not their name at all um and it most likely was um you know

01:02:19.780 one of the local tribes there could be even you know um but we don't know um

01:02:29.860 so hint love without much uh turning of the thumbscrews if you will decides to lay that

01:02:38.260 out and this is because this is the nature of the poem and what the poet is attempting to

01:02:42.980 to do is to list these names um in in poetic form so she says thou art otar the son of instinct

01:02:57.060 and instain the son of alf the old alf of ulf ulf of sci-fi and sci-fi's father was swan the red so

01:03:10.180 we see here she mentions that um uh the that uh otar's grandfather is alf the old

01:03:24.420 and he is born of ulf um but there is no real like last name given to him other than he is of

01:03:32.740 saifari and saifari means seafaring so saifari's you know father so this this would be great great

01:03:41.140 grandfather is svan in roda svan the red um so we clearly see the naming system um kind of goes from

01:03:53.300 Son of. So like Otur would be Instinson. And then it shifts into the older naming system where there's title names. And in 13, she says, Thy mother? Bright. With bracelets fair.

01:04:14.800 Again, the Dies moniker shows a connection to great things, but it could also be simply that she was just named this.

01:04:29.020 But she is a Givya, and it's specifically mentioned that she is a Givya.

01:04:36.660 Froði, her father, and Friund, even though it says Friat in the translation, Friund, her mother, her race of the mightiest men must see.

01:04:50.920 So it's just interesting if Froði, from her line, there is mention that the king Froði is descendant of or is the physical manifestation of the holy frayed.

01:05:15.140 but more than likely too

01:05:18.100 this is just a lending to the fact that he

01:05:19.960 comes from the or his mother comes

01:05:22.080 from the line of Swedes

01:05:23.520 and so

01:05:26.120 it seems when she's

01:05:27.280 mentioning

01:05:28.360 his patriarchal side

01:05:31.820 that she's mentioning

01:05:33.580 the Danes and it seems

01:05:36.020 that she was a bride

01:05:37.660 his mother was a bride from Sweden

01:05:40.080 of old 1.00

01:05:44.040 the noblest of all was Ali. Before him, Halfdan, foremost of the Skoldungs. So Halfdan, of course, 1.00

01:05:56.060 I think most people are probably familiar with him. Famed were the battles the hero fought.

01:06:01.940 To the corners of heaven, his deeds were carried. And again, here's another mention of heaven.

01:06:07.980 You know, with no Christian context, and I think our verbiage, as folk need to embrace that, I speak about that often, that the gods are of heaven, because it is a word or vernacular.

01:06:26.940 And in 15, he is strengthened by Aemond, the strongest of men.

01:06:36.660 Sigtrig, he slew with the ice-cold sword.

01:06:42.360 His bride was Almve, the best of women.

01:06:47.300 And 18 boys did Almve bear him.

01:06:52.140 so that's you know again truly interesting if you read down in the bottom in the stanzas here

01:07:00.340 there is a lending to um some of the the the lineage of halfdan the old in the mythical

01:07:07.500 kings of denmark um that you know no doubt the icelanders would have um understood um

01:07:14.580 there is also the strengthened by amund there's reference here in the bottom that king amund of

01:07:20.380 Holmgarh was a Rusyan.

01:07:25.120 So a Russian.

01:07:28.580 Very, very interesting stuff down here

01:07:30.400 in the notes. But again, go over

01:07:32.300 and break them all down.

01:07:34.760 Add tedium.

01:07:36.360 We already speak enough.

01:07:40.940 So then

01:07:41.820 Hindla speaks again. 1.00

01:07:44.440 Hence from the Skoldons, 0.99

01:07:46.220 hence from the Skilvings, 1.00

01:07:48.200 hence the Oathlings,

01:07:49.560 hence the englings and that's why again there's that there's englings and evelings those two um

01:07:57.080 are different in this translation generally they're turned towards engling hence come the

01:08:03.920 freeborn hence come the highborn the noblest of men that in midgarth dwell and all are thy kinsmen

01:08:10.900 And then she begins to continue on.

01:08:19.560 She says, 1.00

01:08:19.920 And all are thy kinsmen, Otar thou fool. 0.98

01:08:38.800 it is much to know. Wilt thou hear yet more? Now, if anybody hears or suddenly kind of pricks up at 0.99

01:08:47.080 that line is, you know, wilt thou know more, is again, the reason why I think that the smaller

01:08:55.420 Volospa was placed within this poem was there was some, again, some sort of connection. And I think

01:09:02.940 that it was a commonality for poets to use this line in relation to the, the, the Volva or the,

01:09:11.480 the, the Cirrus. And so it could be said that this kind of lends to the identity of, um, the Volva

01:09:21.620 in, um, the Volaspau, where Lord Odin goes. But it could also be that they are one and the same,

01:09:30.300 that Hindla is the vulva that Lord Odin is speaking to, but it is not referenced. It is

01:09:36.000 not mentioned that they are not in Jotunheim, but perhaps in Nivelheim, in the outskirts beyond

01:09:43.640 Helheim. And, you know, I find that very, very interesting. It could be just a commonality of

01:09:52.580 poetics that they attach to the to the seeresses or they could be one in the same um

01:09:59.860 in 18 she says the mate of day was a mother of heroes thora who bore him the bravest of fighters

01:10:13.240 Fradmar

01:10:16.660 And Gríðir

01:10:18.680 And Frekis Twain

01:10:21.660 And Jóf

01:10:25.420 Jóf

01:10:26.100 Excuse me

01:10:27.400 Jófförmar

01:10:29.140 Is how they

01:10:30.080 It's different how they translate it from Old Norse

01:10:33.820 Because it's Jóförmar

01:10:35.320 In Old Norse

01:10:37.040 And it's Jóförmar

01:10:40.820 In the English translation

01:10:42.520 Alf the old

01:10:44.600 It is much to know

01:10:46.440 Wilt thou hear yet more

01:10:48.080 Her husband was Ketel

01:10:51.360 The heir of Klip 0.76

01:10:53.820 He was thy mother 0.95

01:10:55.740 He was of thy mother 0.87

01:10:57.760 The mother's father 0.95

01:10:59.220 Before the days of Kari

01:11:01.780 And was Froði

01:11:03.820 And the horn of Hild

01:11:06.560 And of Hjolf then

01:11:08.380 So see now it starts to

01:11:10.100 Wind down into

01:11:11.760 the the lineage um of these ancient kings going even further back and there may be again these

01:11:21.120 um messagings of um uh that they carry similar names to again throw the as mentioned and and

01:11:31.580 next you'll see the name nana but um uh nana is is actually debated because it might be spelled

01:11:39.420 mana with an m it's just that the um the writing of the of the poem is not very good so uh they

01:11:48.440 end up kind of going for an immediate feminized name versus um mana because mana is seen as

01:11:56.700 masculine so um they don't quite know but in 20 they say next was nana daughter of nokvi

01:12:03.500 thy father's kinsman her son became old is the line and longer still and all are thy kinsmen 0.99

01:12:11.680 otar the fool so here we we see again the begrudgingness of her by calling him a fool 0.98

01:12:22.360 um but she is still relenting the information and why is she doing that why is this important 0.99

01:12:29.920 um generally you'll hear people say um you know that it was super important for any hero or any

01:12:37.960 person of great um renown to to know their their line and the farther back they knew the more the

01:12:44.740 more might they would have i'm not saying that isn't true uh but i am saying that there's very

01:12:50.740 little outside of it that states um or anywhere else that this is like an absolute demand um

01:12:58.500 More likely, this is the poem's way of establishing, you know, descendancy, excuse me, through historical figures, to speak their names, to hold them through to Otar, who is clearly a semi-divine now, but perhaps was mortal.

01:13:25.740 um you know but i think that somewhere along the way uh in also true in the in the early 80s and

01:13:32.880 90s it was said you know hey if you know your ancestral lines if you know their names you'll

01:13:39.560 you'll gain much power and that's the way our ancestors viewed it again i don't for a sec so

01:13:45.680 i want to just make this note because i think it's really important

01:13:49.760 knowing your ancestors first knowing them in a bigger sense is extremely important

01:14:02.900 if you are able or to what degree you're able knowing their names is important too

01:14:10.280 more so than just knowing it something svan and i have talked about this but speaking something

01:14:18.920 is a magical act it takes it from an intention or a plan or a passing thought and it manifests it

01:14:29.160 in reality in the you know most entry-level mail room sense is you are putting it out there

01:14:40.120 so at some hold or in a formal way at some when you hail one of your ancestors

01:14:46.520 say their name say it out loud i remember i remember a winter nights a number of years

01:14:53.160 ago and they run together now but one of the first ones that i celebrated was spawn

01:14:59.320 he mentioned one of his grandparents and the ones that eat the rotten shark

01:15:06.040 and so uh the the name was difficult to get and he said it quickly and in passing and people kind

01:15:11.960 of mumbled i'm like whoa pause flag on the play right say it slowly because i want to repeat it

01:15:18.360 out loud to honor them and i think it's really important we make a uh a point of doing that

01:15:25.880 do that formally ensemble but just in your life in your house and your family when you're telling

01:15:32.760 stories to your friends and people you care about speak the names of your ancestors don't just say

01:15:37.880 my mom or my dad say their name out loud there's a something special to that so do that

01:15:47.080 and while have your attention rage of red we appreciate you having you i know we got a lot

01:15:53.000 of people in the audience sometimes just kind of sit and listen and absorb and don't necessarily

01:15:57.080 speak up but they're there and they're listening and we really appreciate you guys that adds a lot

01:16:01.480 to the program thank you so much for being here

01:16:03.400 yeah I just now saw the um so word of the wise kittens have very sharp little kitten claws

01:16:16.580 very sharp little kitten teeth and they don't really know what they're doing with them so

01:16:21.940 that's the thing I I think it's uh kind of worth noting too for people that might be

01:16:32.680 maybe this is their first time I saw

01:16:37.300 I don't know if that wise of the

01:16:41.080 and Rage of Red but yeah we do answer

01:16:45.080 questions towards the lore first and then we catch

01:16:49.260 all the other questions that might be related just to religion

01:16:53.200 in general after so yeah something just comes

01:16:57.260 up and sometimes if we know it's time sensitive we'll insert it

01:17:00.640 as you've probably already seen sometimes swan and i can take liberties on going off on rabbit trails

01:17:08.740 so we try to try to get back to the story in the text but i've found especially doing this

01:17:18.780 with swan has been so beneficial to me personally and i appreciate if it's beneficial to you guys

01:17:24.960 as well but to take us down different trails of thought and you know one thing leads to another

01:17:32.400 and we you know we kind of flesh out some concepts that are really important a lot of people come to

01:17:38.400 house are true and you know they want they're very used to the gospels or like a specific sermon or

01:17:50.160 a tome on a particular thing in a very linear literary context and ethnic religion

01:17:59.760 traditionally is not like that that's kind of a rarity amongst religion is to have it presented

01:18:06.000 that way it's word of mouth and it's listening to elders and it's absorbing things culturally

01:18:11.840 and in a more holistic way so when people come in they want to know you know all of this religious

01:18:19.600 instruction one of the best ways to do it that we've been able to access is to organically

01:18:27.280 go through these things and hopefully that's useful to everybody and it's why sometimes we

01:18:32.400 go off on rabbit trails but i i think they're very beneficial and certainly

01:18:37.920 the more you do this and longer you are involved the you know you when you first come home to

01:18:45.040 to Alistair, it seems like there is a mountain of lore to work your way through. And that's

01:18:50.660 wonderful. And it's awesome. Decades in, every now and again, we'll discover something that we

01:18:57.400 hadn't been aware of before some fragment. But a lot of this is stuff that you've been over maybe,

01:19:03.540 maybe several times in your own mind or to yourself privately, going through it with

01:19:09.900 different people at different seasons of your life it you see it from different angles and

01:19:17.980 through different lenses and it really adds a dimensionality to our faith that you've kind of

01:19:24.540 got to be in for a while to fully fully appreciate and uh yeah so it's special to go over it again

01:19:33.340 with spawn and with you guys and uh to do this together so i'm glad we get this opportunity

01:19:39.900 and with that let's get back to it yeah i was gonna say too over here in the comment section

01:19:45.260 i'm noticing that people are talking about freya's cats and i would love to talk about that

01:19:50.140 after the poem because they may not have been cats they may have been wolverines

01:19:56.620 just throwing that out there is like a wait what kind of thing but um there's stuff with a lot of

01:20:01.660 these animals when you trace it back i've often thought about you know what kind of goats were

01:20:09.020 thor's goats you know in the in the imagery or in the mind's eye of our ancestors well and i um i

01:20:17.900 i do believe that they're referring to cats um but there is a possibility looking into it based

01:20:24.780 on the heighty that they use or the or the canning that they use um but yeah even with uh um lady

01:20:31.260 scabby and uh when in the mural that i painted i painted her with ibixes instead generally or

01:20:37.580 people were like why didn't you paint wolves and i i thought of um wolves as being um very you know

01:20:44.700 connected to the source of where they live versus a perhaps a peaceful animal that helps one travel

01:20:51.500 um to a foreign place or a place far away so that's why i ended up doing it but um yeah animal

01:20:57.900 the animal imagery um is very very interesting and i would love to touch on that a little bit

01:21:03.340 after the poem but see it's easy once you do that to start going down these rabbit holes yeah

01:21:09.180 are they links were they bobcats were they saber-toothed tigers it depends how far you

01:21:14.300 want to take it back in the folk memory i've often thought you know of course goats it's cool to

01:21:19.900 imagine them as um as like mountain goats coming from alaska mountain goats are super cool looking

01:21:28.860 and awesome but then the more i looked into it genetically they're very dissimilar they're

01:21:34.460 slightly dissimilar to modern goats but you know what is very similar to modern goats in a lot of

01:21:40.940 ways is muskox so then i had the odd thought of thor's chariot being pulled by musk oxen

01:21:49.980 they're from the goat family surprisingly you shave all that hair off they're just big goats 0.92

01:21:54.860 i kind of want to i'm like i'm gonna there's rabbit holes kind of fascinating and another

01:22:02.900 point of that too is the you know if people wonder like how could a wolverine be possible

01:22:08.960 of the heighty towards the cat that that's mentioned for um the holy freya is the same

01:22:15.540 reason why uh you know the the old name for skunks a pole cat um cat was kind of just

01:22:22.540 tagged on to any creature that was of that similar ilk, whether they were a mustelid or,

01:22:29.720 you know, or a feline didn't quite, you know, matter. It was labeled on. So that throws in

01:22:36.400 a whole nother element. Anybody out there listening, don't get me confused. I don't

01:22:40.180 really think that, you know, our Viking age ancestors conceptualized

01:22:45.040 um Thor's goats as musk oxen it's just funny in my head to try to trace back you know wow what did

01:22:55.700 they look like because it's and I promise after this we'll get back to the text but

01:23:00.860 when you look at accompanying illustrations in the Icelandic um manuscripts of this you see our

01:23:12.700 gods displayed in a renaissance they have like foul shones and like you know puffy plumed like

01:23:20.980 pants in the flat like because that's a later stage that they were written down in and they

01:23:27.500 were codified in we have a tendency to idealize them in the terms in which we're familiar with

01:23:33.560 so you know when this lore comes to us it's with a very viking coat of paint because that's where

01:23:40.400 this material comes from but the stories are as old as our race and so it makes me wonder like

01:23:46.660 ah but what did they look like in the you know if they were drawn out in the migration period

01:23:51.080 or if they were drawn out in like you know the early Aryan migrations or post ice age

01:24:00.140 development of our folk at that most early stage so it's always kind of funny to imagine the

01:24:05.580 neolithic version of our lore if you had to reimagine it that way it's just a middle exercise

01:24:11.100 that i find entertaining so don't take any more than it than that it's just kind of fun to think

01:24:16.820 about for the folks at home al saragotty has mentioned this numerous times the vehicles of

01:24:22.680 the gods being animals and the purpose of that in the idea that the mastery over wilds or um you

01:24:31.440 just uh powerful forces so you know we're not we're not saying that if we walked up the rainbow

01:24:38.960 and entered into osgar there it's not like we're gonna come up upon some actual goats and feed them

01:24:45.840 some you know hay and you know pet the little goat antlers or the goat horns it's not but it draws a

01:24:54.080 picture for us that's fascinating and thinking about how our ancestors conceived these pictures

01:25:01.380 that in a want to say in a literal way but not quite but in a very tangible way fleshed out

01:25:12.760 the gods to them into something graspable and again not literally but it brought it a step

01:25:20.280 closer to being able to conceptualize and this goes into a question that we had in chat we'll

01:25:26.920 talk about later but the idea of taking something intangible and artistically displaying what

01:25:39.640 the magnificence of a god is in a form in a shape and a picture that speaks to the folk

01:25:48.600 It helps them better understand that God is a, it's a powerful act and it's a powerful part of worship in and of itself.

01:25:58.160 And I think we're kind of at a renaissance in that with this gentleman right here who does our murals with projecting into the world his conception of these gods, how they appear,

01:26:23.180 how they

01:26:24.080 capturing their

01:26:27.000 divinity within a two dimensional

01:26:29.320 space for us to

01:26:31.280 grasp is a real big challenge

01:26:32.940 so it's neat to be part of that and to see that

01:26:35.360 but

01:26:37.580 I think Svon's gotten aside from his wife

01:26:43.460 hi Catherine

01:26:44.420 he's giving me

01:26:47.380 some instructions real quick

01:26:48.660 let me see

01:26:50.860 yes so as we go here i think the biggest thing to look over is just uh the the the essence of the

01:27:02.540 names there are some names that are mentioned that are also mentioned uh laterally in saxo

01:27:07.740 grammaticus's um telling of the danes and so the big focus here is that these are the lineages of

01:27:14.700 otar from um the kings of the danes and the and and the line or the the the matriarchal side is

01:27:23.420 from from the swedes and um but it just it's chock full of very interesting um historical

01:27:31.500 and semi-mythical you know senses but there's also some things in here that will let us know

01:27:37.340 about the overall and why the the ausentia folk assembly sees post uh post-mortem ascendancy

01:27:45.180 as a a purposeful and um tenant of our faith that perhaps was overlooked by

01:27:52.460 um you know the founders of our faith but or maybe not emphasized at least but have grown

01:27:58.060 as we've studied and as our gothar have kind of deliberated over things these points get brought up 0.96

01:28:04.220 So of Isulf and Osulf, the sons of Olmoth, whose wife is Skörhilt, the daughter of Skekil, count them among the heroes mighty, all of thy kinsmen, Ohtar the fool, thou fool, excuse me. 0.80

01:28:29.000 22 Gunnar the bulwark, or bulwark, excuse me. It is not bulwark because bulwark is another meaning. Balkar is what it's referred to there, but the wall or the stopping wall, Gunnar the stopping wall, and Grim the hardy, Thorir the iron shield, and Ulf the gaper.

01:28:51.700 um broad and horvir both did i know in the household they were of hrolf the old

01:29:01.380 hair barth your barth rani angantir buoy and brahmi bari and ravenir tint and tierfing again

01:29:16.620 that that's a name that might be uh pinging off for some people tierving um tierving sword

01:29:22.800 um the hatings twain and all are thy kinsmen otar the fool eastward in balm were born of old the

01:29:32.760 songs of arngrim i love arngrim that's such a cool name it means the grim eagle um and a fira

01:29:42.500 with berserk tumult and baleful deed like fire over the land and sea they fared and all thy

01:29:50.620 kinsmen otar thou fool i love that with berserker tomat with uh being the short version of like 0.94

01:29:57.160 tumultuous just creating havoc uh over the land and the sea um the sons of jorman wreck now this 0.93

01:30:09.140 that's interesting there is because jorman wreck is a nordic version of the gothic king athanaric

01:30:16.660 so now we know this is going all the way back into the migration periods around um

01:30:25.460 uh you know the the late roman empire um

01:30:31.780 and this is an interesting part here to the gods in death were as offerings given

01:30:36.340 so they were were chosen of of the they were chosen of the gods after their death or they

01:30:46.780 were chosen of the gods in their death that they were elevated he he was the kinsman of sigarth

01:30:52.840 hear well what i say the foe of hosts and fafnir slayer so you are she's saying you are related

01:31:00.760 to the great kings of the goths and he was related to sigurd the the dragon slayer

01:31:09.680 and son of sigmund so i mean it gets it gets pretty epic um and in referencing you know even

01:31:20.060 to the volsung saga um oh yeah and here in 26 from the volsungs so from the volsung seed was

01:31:29.140 hero sprung and so many i think poets and kings not only did they need to to have connection

01:31:35.700 back to lord odin by by uh legacy but also to the volsungs or or to the um to the heroes uh sigmund

01:31:47.300 or sigurd um so from this the volsung seed was the hero sprung and hjordis was born and hrothung's 0.93

01:31:58.500 race and alemi from the all things came and all are thy kinsmen otar the fool

01:32:06.580 gungnir and holnir the heirs of gyuki and gudrun as well who who their sister was but gothorn

01:32:16.420 was not of gyuki's race although the brother of both he was and all are thy kinsmen otar the

01:32:23.860 full so now you start to see here um the referencing again back to the volsunga sagas but that

01:32:30.900 there is um adoption or fostering that connects certain folks but they are all still the kinsmen

01:32:39.300 of otar um of vedna's son was hawkey the best and jordavar the father of uh vedna

01:32:51.060 and then the line is um you know not uh legible um so they kind of punctuate with with periods

01:33:01.560 there and then it moves to stanza 29 herald battletooth of out was born crook the ring

01:33:10.960 giver her husband was out the deep-minded oh sorry crook the ring giver her husband was

01:33:18.280 so she's continually just kind of connecting all of these families from all over and it really

01:33:34.180 again emphasizes the pan-germanicism or the the pan-arianism of the germanic or teutonic lines

01:33:40.480 and how they were all kind of seen as a networking branch of each other and how they were you know

01:33:46.020 all the way back from the guttons to to the angles and the saxons all the way north to

01:33:51.620 norway and the in the norse um to the germans in the center the the connectivity there was not

01:33:59.920 something um that was seen as uh you know they worship different gods and i've seen that where

01:34:06.980 people propose that the anglo-saxons worship different gods from from the norse or the norse

01:34:12.000 from the goths no 100 percent they are far more interconnected than than people care to you know

01:34:19.040 give inkling to um so here's an interesting part as well so freya speaks to my board now bring the

01:34:27.600 memory beer so that all thy words that well thou has spoken the third mourn hence he may hold in

01:34:35.440 his mind when their race when their races otar and angatyr tell so the idea of bringing forth

01:34:47.360 the feminine is bringing forth a horn now hindla is not seen so much like gunloth

01:34:54.720 uh the battle song in the mountain of sotun lord odin drinks um from that horn and takes up um

01:35:04.800 kvasir's blood in the in the three cauldrons but again this referencing to gaining hidden knowledge

01:35:12.240 and having a need bearer give it give to the hero so that the knowledge attained can be um infused

01:35:23.360 into his being is is clearly here um so that she can so that he can give that uh

01:35:34.160 um, he can give this line of, of understanding, uh, without any pause or without any doubt,

01:35:41.120 um, that, you know, and it's, it's just, I find this very interesting, especially considering

01:35:47.300 that Hindla is definitely seen as more of an antagonistic character, but again, the,

01:35:54.380 the bringing forth of a horn, um, in order to infuse that which is, is taking place, which is

01:36:01.420 why we um at our um hoffs and uh at our national events you will clearly see a givia or a horn

01:36:10.940 bearer being present during our sambals or or during our uh our bloats um because of this uh

01:36:18.980 infusement of the of the feminine of the horn um being given over willfully to the to the masculine

01:36:26.240 in order to be infused, to be blessed and bestowed with that power.

01:36:35.380 So we shift to 31, and Hindla speaks.

01:36:42.200 Hence shalt thou fare, for fain would I sleep.

01:36:46.400 From here thou gettest few favors good, my noble one, out in the night thou leapest,

01:36:52.240 as he the run goes the goats among so this one is interesting she's saying go leave um from here

01:37:07.160 but in essence she's she's saying that there's going to be a great um reward nonetheless for

01:37:15.760 knowing this because she mentions hithron hithron is the goat that is mentioned in valhall that um

01:37:24.880 from its teats come the the the mead that feeds the einherjar so in essence your your fate is to

01:37:35.840 sit amongst the chosen ones um and again a lot of people might well you know isn't the holy freya

01:37:43.920 uh somehow you know she she has folk long why would she not take otter to folk long if this

01:37:49.440 is uh mentioned that um you know his his uh final you know resting place or is going to be in the

01:37:57.200 anger and i i think that there's a lack of understanding that these um these heavenly

01:38:03.680 abodes are are shared uh you know uh thor is mentioned as as traversing into into valhall

01:38:12.320 um as any of the gods would or it would be seen as such the other thing is and i brought that up

01:38:19.280 during um the story is that she was placing a bet to lord odin that she felt he would not take

01:38:26.800 and he took it anyways which again shows the caveat in the poem of desperation to cause war

01:38:35.040 so it and it also kind of lends itself that she may do it at any time she may step in

01:38:41.600 and she thinks that lord other would never give that to her and he does it doesn't always mean

01:38:48.000 simply that um you know she she pulls the first pick uh of the of the crop of the slain simply

01:38:55.760 because that's what she does now it's it's when she desires to um so hindla uh says um

01:39:05.840 to oath didst thou run who loved thee ever and many under thy thy apron have crawled

01:39:15.860 my noble one out in the night thou leapest as he the rune goes the goats among

01:39:21.800 so now she throws an insult to the holy freight freya she says um you know many a hero have

01:39:33.280 written under your apron and this of course is referencing to um her modesty um

01:39:42.240 and that you know uh into the night you know you have you have gone and and and kind of

01:39:47.760 traipsed amongst the einherjar as well um and so this is clearly you know an insult with um

01:39:55.360 um that turns the the conversation sour uh um and it also references to the fact i know that a lot

01:40:04.240 of people uh like to make the connection that older is um lord odin but more than likely

01:40:14.080 oath is very much like otter i know that some people even try to attempt that other is otter

01:40:20.720 But the ascendancy of heroes, the ascendancy of mortal men who their souls have been refined into such a pure form that they are brought up amongst the gods and are no longer just men, it is entirely likely that Odr is of the same ilk, but then left.

01:40:50.720 so freya speaks um around the giantess flame shall i shall i raise so that forth unburned

01:41:01.120 thou mates thou mayest not fair hindla speaks back flames i see burning the earth is on fire

01:41:09.360 and each for his life the price must lose bring then to otar the draught of beer of venom full

01:41:17.040 for an evil fate so she says to hindla i will surround you with these flames and then she

01:41:28.320 speaks in return i see flames but they are upon earth and amongst the men and the the price and 0.94

01:41:36.560 the cost of these deeds will bear forth fruit either way so i'll i'll bring him this draught

01:41:44.560 of beer but it is it is venom full of evil fate it is going to draw an end to lines it's going to

01:41:53.520 create havoc it's going to create war giving him this knowledge is not going to make things better

01:41:59.600 it's going to make things you know worse um and then freya speaks thine evil words shall work no

01:42:08.640 ill thou giant is bitter thy baleful threats a drinkful fair shall otter find if if of all the

01:42:16.320 gods the favor i get so this is kind of where hexanoct this dichotomy is where hexanoct truly

01:42:26.960 or or nor near not the the holy tide takes place the the the witch of of the folk the one who

01:42:35.920 uses magic uses power to to protect the men to protect the flock of of the people versus the

01:42:44.560 chaotic being the feminine um kind of uh abomination the the kind of uh more or less like

01:42:53.520 a false feminine or a feminine abomination one that attempts to make the feminine misaligned or 0.79

01:43:01.120 you know twisting against what is the good feminine um is taking place here so in hexanact 0.85

01:43:08.240 you'll see that there will be uh women burning bundles of herbs in the fire and that they will 0.99

01:43:15.280 blow that smoke over the folk as they walk through it and that's to protect them from the the the 0.65

01:43:22.480 chaotic forces of the the thirst maidens if you will the wolf riders um the the nightmares

01:43:31.120 and things of that nature so this is kind of where that holy tide gets this you can see the

01:43:38.080 dichotomy why it's kind of presented that way and um you know again the the flames are burning if

01:43:45.220 you will but one is for protection and the other it you know is she's just banking on the 0.79

01:43:51.280 inevitability that this is going to bring so much turmoil that that otar is cursed despite

01:43:57.220 um and then it ends and it ends rather abruptly um it does say here um that the manuscript

01:44:05.320 repeats once again lines three and four from um from the stanza as the two lines uh but it seems

01:44:13.080 that the two lines have been to the effect that Freya will burn the giant is alive and it says

01:44:18.520 if swiftly thou does not seek and hither bring the memory beer she will burn the witch um

01:44:24.700 And so just to kind of leave off on, let me see, on that, it is really worth remembering that the feminine as a dangerous force was not something that the Christians introduced to our ancestors, but that the masculine had a kind of evil sense, and so did the feminine.

01:44:51.040 And I think in a lot of ways, it was seen as not just only a warning to the living, but an understanding that in all things, our ancestors saw gender in the divine gender in the forces of nature, and that evil too was gendered.

01:45:10.200 And even more, the abstract, the idea that if it could move between, it was even further than the evil of the feminine and the masculine.

01:45:19.320 It was more an aberration, which, again, lends towards the Kinslayer, Laufey's son.

01:45:28.700 But in this case, you know, the idea of the feminine, the troll witch, the night hag, the, you know, sometimes people call them the sleep paralysis demon.

01:45:43.140 um the the very awareness of this long before christianity um was that you know this mockery

01:45:53.460 of femininity the the anti-mother um which survives in so many of our our fairy tales

01:46:01.060 and so many of the of the tales of folklore of the witch that's trying to in essence corrupt

01:46:07.220 the innocence and the femininity of women or attacking and trying to drain the vitality of

01:46:15.500 men. This was a common thing. It was not something that was just kind of introduced by the Middle 0.71

01:46:21.320 Eastern religion. I think that they used that to compound and drive it home. But it was clearly 1.00

01:46:31.540 there already that there is the feminine that nurtures nurtures very rarely were women of the

01:46:37.540 sagas you know spoken of illy or being ugly or or um being you know anything um less than mothers

01:46:46.840 when they were elderly um they were seen as wise or you know they they knew they knew much and

01:46:52.960 remembered much of children, or they were, you know, mothers of great folk, there was very rarely 0.52

01:47:01.980 the essence of like a hag, but the hag itself was seen as kind of a perversion of the true feminine

01:47:09.640 form, and was always, you know, harrying against Lord Thor, and that he was fighting these

01:47:20.020 these feminine chaotic forces, or that Lord Odin had, you know, hidden himself and walked amongst 0.91

01:47:27.520 them to learn their magics in order to understand how they cause so much havoc and destruction. 0.83

01:47:33.560 And this is, again, polarized here. And so ultimately, at the end of the poem,

01:47:40.760 it's an understanding that the Holy Freya understands and knows of these. She was most

01:47:46.400 likely calling Hindla her sister and her friend under false pretenses, not that she is connected,

01:47:54.840 but that she does know and is connected to the overall sense of this, you know, dynamic feminism 0.97

01:48:02.060 moving in and out, um, ebbing and flowing positive and negative, et cetera. Um, but it's, it's, I think 0.97

01:48:11.300 it's a big topic that people don't really realize how deep it goes until they start looking at

01:48:16.660 things like like grilla amongst the icelanders or um you you see it uh with uh like local

01:48:25.080 legends of of the feminine or in the grimm's fairy tales with these kind of um you know yes

01:48:32.720 they could be linked to being like spinsters and what have you but no they're clearly um the

01:48:38.720 anti-mother they they they give the sweets um to draw in the children and and and you know but

01:48:45.680 they would never have children of their own or what have you and this of course morphed over time 1.00

01:48:50.880 and then with christianity it came into you know these women were you know stealing babies but that

01:48:56.320 wasn't something that christianity introduced i think it just exacerbated the the concept of it

01:49:01.680 and used it to its own advantage

01:49:04.820 and made it more not so much about

01:49:07.100 forces of

01:49:08.940 the universe

01:49:10.400 but literal people

01:49:12.060 but yeah

01:49:14.720 that's a topic

01:49:15.440 of another time

01:49:18.240 starting to soapbox

01:49:23.160 alright

01:49:28.880 well

01:49:30.960 excellent that was the Hindlil Yodh appreciate that appreciate the reading of that swan and all

01:49:42.720 the extra detail I think that helps a lot of our people draw into it a little bit better

01:49:51.300 going back to our questions from earlier this evening the wolf throne has a couple of them

01:50:00.960 Considering Ausatru's lore is somewhat fragmented, what are some ways we can, quote, fill in the gaps without making stuff up when something in our lore is unclear?

01:50:15.580 And then, so I think it's paired with the second part of the question.

01:50:21.060 Can we write new lore if new truths are revealed to a qualified Goethe?

01:50:30.960 Swan, do you have thoughts?

01:50:35.880 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:50:37.060 I didn't know if you were going to take that one or me.

01:50:42.380 I think it's worth noting that these truths that come about to us are generally an entwined

01:50:51.520 progress.

01:50:54.640 Get the little cat.

01:50:55.540 But I mean, a perfect example of this, and I guess the short answer is, no, I don't think that it's a problem for us to observe and to press forward in perhaps a greater understanding of things, even though it's not listed in the lore.

01:51:13.680 A perfect example of this is my emphasis on the fact that when we see in the lore that the great spirits of the divine powers do not die, but morph during death.

01:51:29.800 And I often speak of the wind-blown eagle and the hawk upon its beak as being the ascendant souls of Bor and Bestla, or that Nid-Ogur is the soul of Ymir that flows down into the lower realm and is attempting to rip the root out.

01:51:53.400 Is it stated in lore? No. But we can see again that the understanding of movements and observing the stories, and there comes this inclination of, you know, is this where the powers that are so great move?

01:52:17.980 is the heart of Ad Umla Ratatosk, and now we have this tripartite anew that maintains the vertical,

01:52:27.680 the axis mundi of the universe, if you will. I mean, sure, somebody could say that's not in the

01:52:33.900 lore, but the consideration, I think, is worth looking into, and as we progress, we as our folk

01:52:43.620 should be able to define that our motion forward is within our own hands, but it's with great care

01:52:52.420 that we do this, that with great piety, we do this with great sense of, we're not just

01:52:59.360 making proclamations. We're not attempting to fit the gods into boxes. We're not attempting

01:53:06.180 to override things. We're coming at this. And I think it's very important, the difference

01:53:11.920 between scholarly attempts where certain scholars will say, oh, well, you know, I, you know, it's

01:53:17.980 suggested by scholars such and such that perhaps this God is actually this God. That is dangerous.

01:53:26.360 Instead, what it is, is that we look at comparison and we attempt to link things, but we never quite,

01:53:36.460 um you know simply like make these proclamations willy-nilly if you will um so i do think it has

01:53:44.640 a place where we can we can um bring this about and i think gothar are the ones to do it gothar

01:53:52.020 are the ones that have these relationships and i think that the folk and especially those who

01:53:56.520 have promised to become gothar are fully capable of bringing in this greater understanding um but

01:54:04.520 it's it's what the gothar are is that they're a condensed and formulated um minds and souls

01:54:12.700 working together and i think that the al-sir-gothi is led um to them for certain reasons um and so in

01:54:21.140 doing so we're kind of it's it's like a a rippling effect um and certainly you know if somebody has

01:54:28.600 a revelation i think it's and they bring it up or they speak about it i know during winter nights

01:54:33.160 A couple of folks were talking to me about some of the revelations that they've had with the gods.

01:54:38.980 And, you know, it's not like thrown down or cast aside.

01:54:44.020 It's, you know, it is greatly considered.

01:54:46.440 It's, you know, there's room for organic growth, I think is what I'm attempting to say.

01:54:54.520 And I think that most everybody here knows that that's how the Auschwitz Folk Assembly does work in that organic growth matter.

01:55:00.500 But we don't attempt to do it out of convenience. 0.95

01:55:05.660 I think that's the one thing that we try to avoid.

01:55:11.080 Yeah, so I think it's a really important question.

01:55:15.040 And I think it's always a very uncomfortable question.

01:55:21.740 So anybody who's a longtime listener on here sees Fawn kind of tentatively approach some things.

01:55:30.300 and like well you know some people think and i've always kind of thought and i frequently

01:55:35.660 i'm like hey now stop no this is the thing this is what you know speak with authority spawn you

01:55:42.780 can say that but i think we all look for permission to because and i think that's an important

01:55:51.820 we deal with a strange x factor when things are lost to the sands of time

01:56:02.920 we oo and aah over them and we don't really ponder how they work we just

01:56:11.380 waller in their antiquity so if lore comes to us and it's really old

01:56:19.480 it becomes automatically authentic to us and we don't spend a lot of time critically thinking of

01:56:31.780 how it developed or who you know where did it come from how did it transmit from the divine

01:56:39.440 realm to the mortal realm and I don't say this to cheapen any of the lore that's come to us

01:56:46.720 but i say that to grant us a little bit of grace in the present

01:56:52.980 in our mind the old days were this glorious golden age where everyone spoke eloquently

01:57:04.860 and was you know having daily meetings with the icier and you know had wings on their helmets

01:57:11.920 and glittering golden armor and we have this idealized view of the past and perhaps someday

01:57:21.080 folks will look at this time and you know imagine us all in a more perfect and more

01:57:28.580 you know fantastical sense and that'd be cool but i don't think that the truth or the

01:57:37.580 humanity of it ought be lost our ancestors were men and women like ourselves

01:57:48.100 that had had problems that had weaknesses in their lives that had deficiencies that had

01:57:57.700 struggles that had things and they worked through them and they overcame they weren't inborn with

01:58:03.720 this perfect pipeline to divinity no they they toiled to understand the world around them to

01:58:10.200 understand their gods and to build relationships through through bloat and through ritual through

01:58:17.080 through study and through worship over the period of their lives and what we have is what has come

01:58:23.720 down to us of their collective knowledge and we have that sometimes expressed in you know

01:58:30.280 obscure poetry we have pieces of that expressed by ancient historians or

01:58:38.840 you know ancient uh poets writing his you know heroic lays

01:58:46.040 for us to attempt to ape that by creating viking age

01:58:53.800 thematic poetry

01:58:58.880 is LARP in the most 0.97

01:59:03.540 silly sense of it. 0.86

01:59:06.320 But for

01:59:07.440 for our

01:59:11.300 Gothar, and it's important that you mention

01:59:13.440 Gothar, this isn't

01:59:15.400 something for scholars, this is something

01:59:17.400 for priests.

01:59:20.060 And if that

01:59:21.320 sounds arrogant, fine, I'll own

01:59:23.300 that.

01:59:23.800 But that's due to years of devoting our lives to trying our very best to get this right.

01:59:36.980 And it doesn't mean perfect.

01:59:39.920 But it means sincerely devoted to the pursuit of perfection in it, at least when we speak for the gods.

01:59:48.900 and so you can tell um and that's why i have to kind of bolster swan's ability to do so because

02:00:01.020 he doesn't want to overspeak he would never want to misrepresent our gods to the folk

02:00:05.940 to do so

02:00:12.600 honestly, I'm not even really sure which is worse to do so maliciously or to do so

02:00:19.680 haphazardly because you just don't care and it's convenient.

02:00:24.420 I don't know which is worse. If you are venturing into

02:00:28.660 expressing a new truth or a connection of truths,

02:00:39.740 to not do that with humility and the utmost piety and respect is

02:00:47.840 anathema to everything that we're about and i think you can tell when people are talking

02:00:54.920 um it's always hard because somebody comes and tell you like hey guess what the gods told me this

02:01:03.620 what's the ask yourself this is something the answer is probably different all of us

02:01:12.640 what would make you believe someone if they told you they had a divine revelation

02:01:22.640 um and i think that's often a challenge when people claim to have that

02:01:27.000 Now, of course, sitting where I sit, I would tell you that the Astru Folk Assembly has cultivated the ability to perceive that and to judge that to the best of our ability through decades of the gift cycle with our gods.

02:01:48.140 decades of sincere study meditation prayer and building relationships with the gods

02:01:57.940 um but just on a on a real level man to man i always have a hard time you know i wasn't

02:02:09.280 i wasn't born as the ulcerative i was born as a guy who found this at like 20 years old

02:02:15.840 and you know was looking for who to believe and who to trust and what things to put stock in and

02:02:22.340 what things not to and when people express things super casually and treat their encounters or their

02:02:33.000 alleged encounters with the divine flippantly and

02:02:39.680 i've literally heard people say like that they're working with the gods while they're like playing

02:02:49.280 video games and eating cheese puffs and whatever like my big homie thor while it helps me play 0.93

02:02:56.900 call of duty and it's just silly and more than silly when you really digest it it's just blasphemous

02:03:06.160 you can tell in people's tone and figuring out who to take seriously and who not to 0.99

02:03:16.800 is an art and I think it's a duty of Aryan men and women to make the decision of

02:03:29.800 who to trust with that and who not to and over time the learned opinions and expressions of 0.87

02:03:39.240 gothar ring true or don't and if they ring true enough for long enough they become elements of

02:03:48.960 And I think that 54, almost 55 years into the modern expression of our faith, it's hard to count that as lore.

02:04:05.360 And I don't think in our ancestors' time, within somebody's lifetime, stuff became lore.

02:04:11.720 But I think as generations go by, things become more and become accepted into the corpus of what we know as religious truth moving forward.

02:04:24.320 So, I mean, Svon and I have a lot of ideas, but when we tell you something's true, we genuinely mean to the best of our understanding, we believe with our whole heart that it is true.

02:04:38.340 and we hope that we get it right.

02:04:43.780 If we ever have an inkling that we get it wrong,

02:04:46.480 we would say so.

02:04:50.460 And yeah, I mean, that's kind of the challenge

02:04:52.840 going forward that we're doing together.

02:04:54.820 And something else to consider on that,

02:04:58.200 there's broad truths that become perfected over time.

02:05:03.220 There's, hey, we think this general area of thing is true.

02:05:06.900 and over time we come to a more and more refined understanding of that truth

02:05:12.240 and I think that's an important process as well and I know some of this isn't

02:05:18.280 yeah me and Odin met in the cave and he you know possessed my hand and had me write these things

02:05:26.100 and that would be much more convenient but it wouldn't be honest and I think that's really

02:05:32.980 important so it's a much slower process than all that but i think it always has been and i think

02:05:41.620 that there are bursts of inspiration i think when folks get those we try to um

02:05:50.420 express those to the best of our ability and i think that we are in the process of

02:05:55.540 of crafting some of that now but it's not something you craft because you decide you

02:06:00.740 want to hey swan let's get together and make some lore it doesn't work that way every once in a

02:06:07.540 great while hey i just had this new you know epiphany i i was in prayer i was in meditation i

02:06:15.620 had this this new understanding and you talk about it you analyze it and it's it's a process

02:06:22.660 and it's not as pretty or as cinematic as maybe one would imagine, but I do think it's more obvious.

02:06:37.640 Goethe Daniel Young says, good evening, gentlemen.

02:06:41.400 Witten Herald, can you update the folk on the current repair slash construction happening at Thorshoth?

02:06:48.340 you're muted swan

02:06:53.360 sorry i was i was uh we harvested some persimmons and i was munching on them because i was i hadn't

02:07:03.300 had a chance to really eat any dinner so i was uh trying not to make too much noise

02:07:08.220 um uh yes so for those who don't know there is a pretty large um construction project going

02:07:18.240 on at thor's off um the you know the building is over 100 years old and um we have a bathroom um

02:07:28.400 that's actually in the sub floor of the basement if you will um it's the the the temple is built

02:07:35.120 up on a hill but the building goes down below to the bottom of the hill and um uh there was

02:07:42.240 bathrooms back there but it's it's very old they were very uh they were run down that the uh the

02:07:46.880 roof had collapsed in long before we purchased um the the the hof so uh yeah now we've got

02:07:54.640 a new roof in there and there's framing being done there's floors are being you know the old uh you

02:08:00.480 know moisture moisture drenched floors were ripped up um so now we're working on making sure that

02:08:07.040 there's um bathroom facilities for those folks uh that are in the hof and uh also when we're out in

02:08:16.080 behind the hoff working at the horde or at the fire pit um that there will be some access there

02:08:22.000 so people don't have to kind of run and go to the the other building um yeah so um currently that's

02:08:30.080 happening and we also have some more structural stuff that we're going to be looking at inside

02:08:34.960 the vey of the hoff and for folks that don't know our verbiage um the vey is like the sanctuary

02:08:42.880 and in the sanctuary area we have some ceiling and joist issues um the the wood is so old and

02:08:50.000 the weather in north carolina with with the heat has warped a lot of the wood and so um they're

02:08:57.440 not broken but they're just they're misshapen so they have to be kind of brought back into shape

02:09:03.360 and so we're most likely going to be replacing some things within the ceiling and these are

02:09:08.400 things that are kind of hard to quantify and they're very very expensive to to fix so it's

02:09:14.640 like one of those things where i would really love to show a new roof i would really love to show like

02:09:19.440 a uh perhaps a paved driveway in um because that's so visible but these are internal issues that need

02:09:27.600 to be uh fixed in order to um gird and strength the uh the body of the temple so we're working

02:09:35.920 on that and we're going to move up and into the uh the vey and the reason why a lot of the the

02:09:41.120 some of the paintings that i've been wanting to do and some of the window stuff i've wanted to do

02:09:45.680 i've been sitting on my hands because i i have a feeling that they're going to have to take down

02:09:51.360 parts of the ceiling which you know could make a big mess and i don't want to get things really

02:09:56.000 nice in there and then suddenly they'd be you know covered in construction dust or debris so we're

02:10:02.000 we're waiting and once we get past that we can move on to building more funds for um a roof and

02:10:09.200 um doing the siding um and then i can start really throwing myself into decorating the

02:10:16.000 interior of thorsoff which i think because i i this is my my baby um and i you know and the art

02:10:25.360 uh i guess person of of of the afa i really want to throw artwork i really want pictures and stained

02:10:35.760 glass and um just runic and pictures of lord thor everywhere um yeah um in general like all over the

02:10:50.160 temple so that'll be coming once we can kind of push past these thresholds and i'm i'm thankful

02:10:56.000 for everyone that's um donated and and allowed us to help um to get to this point um and i'll have

02:11:03.040 plenty of pictures showing um all the renovations that are being done once we kind of you know get

02:11:10.240 there right now everything's just kind of in flux they're moving pretty slow but trusting the process

02:11:20.160 Wolf Throne, I read your most recent comment. Thank you. That means the world to me and

02:11:30.060 I promise you I would never, never ever misuse that trust, but I really appreciate that.

02:11:40.380 Does the AFA have plans to open a HOF in Idaho? Depends what you mean by plans. Yes.

02:11:50.120 the AFA will absolutely open a Hoff in Idaho someday. When that day is, I could not tell you.

02:11:58.380 We do not have a direct plan to, at this point, certainly. What we have in stone so far is

02:12:06.560 Fraze Hoff in either eastern Ohio or western Pennsylvania, and we have Tiers Hoff planned

02:12:14.760 for sigerheim after that will come braggie's hof and you know the field is still open to where

02:12:22.040 that'll be if you want a hof in idaho what i need is oh nick put a handy little deal on uh

02:12:35.000 the order of hofs to come um in order to get a hof somewhere we need a stable population

02:12:44.440 of active afa members and volunteers who are going to care for it and be there in perpetuity

02:12:53.560 it's certainly a big investment and a big challenge to get a hof but we know how to 0.89

02:12:58.760 achieve that the bigger thing is to be able to maintain and care for a hof because getting one

02:13:05.320 is a huge commitment so we would need to see a really healthy and thriving 1.00

02:13:11.720 loyal afa community getting built in idaho we have some good people in idaho but we really

02:13:19.040 need to see those numbers come up in the togetherness and the organization of

02:13:23.320 our membership in idaho to really get there in order for that to be a thing now i would love

02:13:29.260 strategically um we really really need a hof in the northwest um and we really need a hof

02:13:38.580 in, say, Texas. Those areas are very, very tempting. We really need one there geographically

02:13:46.200 and strategically. But again, it's got to be the right place. The membership has to be in place.

02:13:53.700 And there's a whole metric that goes in. There's, you know, where we can get the best

02:13:59.380 combination of price, land, structure, and having the right membership in place. And

02:14:09.080 in the whole process, there's a lot of prayer and offerings that go into towards the God of that 0.73

02:14:17.800 Hoff that we get a Hoff in a place they find suitable and that they're proud of and that

02:14:23.620 honors them and so i believe they help you know guide us in that decision as well but those are

02:14:30.820 some things yes we will absolutely have a hoff in idaho sometime when that time is i could not tell

02:14:36.980 you but um we have come a long long way in the past so it's october that means it is

02:14:47.620 nine years since we got odin's off in that time we've been able to get four hoffs

02:14:57.540 and have very solid plans for half five and half six so we've come a really long way very quickly

02:15:05.620 you know relatively speaking so we would absolutely love to have one in idaho

02:15:10.100 we just need to have that infrastructure in place to make that happen

02:15:12.820 um svan matt where in midgard did you get those mugs svan where did you get your owl chalice

02:15:21.840 uh it's just a mug from the thrift store um it's uh it's got chips in it it's really kind of old

02:15:29.960 but um and in actuality my my wife picked it out she liked it she thought i would like it which

02:15:36.820 I do, and it was just the one I grabbed out of the cupboard, and I was drinking Deathwish

02:15:47.340 coffee out of it.

02:15:48.200 That's why I'm kind of ... There's a stein.

02:15:53.600 My stein is pristine.

02:15:56.040 There are no chips in this stein.

02:15:58.180 hey um mine was a gift from

02:16:06.580 a former afa member named marco and i don't know where marco is i hope he is doing well wherever

02:16:14.100 he is um but yeah it was a member in massachusetts that gave this to me it's been a minute now um

02:16:28.180 um winter nights 2017 sounds right winter nights 2017 maybe um but yeah it's a really cool stein

02:16:44.980 it's a really unique stein and uh i don't use it nearly enough but because we were doing a

02:16:51.460 bird mug theme this evening i felt the need to uh have have mandy run grab that for me

02:17:00.340 oh and because it's a later question coming up uh i am drinking a variety of

02:17:08.660 firestone ipas i like to get the variety packs of beers at costco because it entertains me to

02:17:17.300 do so so that's what i end up doing and trying stuff out the different firestone ipas kind of

02:17:26.020 all taste the same but i think they're a solid solid beer and i appreciate them so that's what

02:17:32.500 i got on that one i like i like the dichotomy of of these the symbology of the eagle and the owl

02:17:40.340 i know like nature wise they actually are they're they're aggressive towards each other

02:17:46.580 um owl uh owls will raid eagle nests and eagles will raid owl's nests um but i i think too you

02:17:55.220 know the idea of like lords of the day and lords of the night um i just thought that was really

02:18:02.100 cool that you know it wasn't planned i just grabbed this out of the cupboard but but as

02:18:07.780 kind of a point the eagle will be the kinfilia of uh tiershoff and also i had a really cool almost

02:18:22.980 man the times that i've seen owls in my life have been few and far between but yesterday night

02:18:29.060 on the way home from a some kind of pre-halloween trunk or treat deal with aubrey

02:18:38.040 we were driving home and it was dark and this owl came down right in front of the car we're

02:18:44.420 going to slow through the neighborhood right uh neighborhood i live on is kind of in the

02:18:48.100 outskirts of town and so it's still you know we get coyotes walking up and down the street late

02:18:54.300 at night and some wildness going on and this owl because you can see owls have this

02:19:02.220 I don't know how to describe it if you've seen it you probably know what I'm talking about this

02:19:09.280 strange almost hover when they go to land because their wings billow so much and are able to catch

02:19:15.280 so much air so this flash of feathers and stuff moved and I'm like oh wow and then I looked it's

02:19:22.340 owl and it sat on the side of the road for a second and turned its little owl head and did

02:19:27.220 owl stuff and it it was crazy it was the most you know outside of the zoo it was the most

02:19:35.060 up close and personal interaction with an owl i've ever had in my life and it stayed there for a

02:19:39.700 second and then you know looked back because mandy wanted to see it and she missed it and

02:19:45.540 aubrey was excited wanted to see it and it you know went about its business but yeah i don't

02:19:50.340 did you either here or there but it was really cool did you see what kind of owl it was

02:19:56.340 i don't speak owl um my understanding of the the different races of owl is not where it should be

02:20:09.300 it was not a horned owl if you showed me different

02:20:15.060 breeds of owl i might could pick it out of an owl lineup

02:20:18.740 well uh one other question did it have yellow or black eyes

02:20:24.580 i'm yellow eyes oh okay yeah short-eared owl did you just make that noise to random

02:20:30.660 exclamation or was that an owl interpretation no no i was gonna i was just saying like uh

02:20:38.180 i mean most likely especially in that area it could have also been um uh a hawk owl um

02:20:46.820 if it was near twilight they have no plumage uh horns on their head um uh oh so next next

02:20:53.300 get me the lineup here uh oh here we go i know it's not booba virginianus because you said

02:21:00.900 um no in the bottom to the bottom left left from the furthest one to the bottom what's

02:21:07.060 that a great snowy it wasn't that but it looked kind of similar to that guy um

02:21:16.820 it was obviously we have we have a lineup boobo virginianus or the great horned owl or the flying

02:21:23.780 tiger owl is very common throughout the United States um maybe he could fold his horns back I

02:21:30.980 don't know but he didn't he didn't have any horns um that guy looks like a that's a burrowing owl

02:21:40.760 that looks like a baby version maybe yep that i saw um no mine was a mine was a grown full-size

02:21:49.400 you know swole owl more likely a hawk owl they're very uh they they and they do go out a lot they

02:21:57.880 kind of come out was eating good yeah yeah a rounder a rounder head appearance so this is

02:22:07.720 cool i don't know that that guy sort of looks yeah that guy looks close to it that nick was just

02:22:13.000 hovering over but in all honesty i don't know if our audience really cares for my my journey down

02:22:19.880 what owl did i see next time i get him i will ask him his name and his ancestry um well an

02:22:27.320 interesting thing too i've always kind of associated buzzards with hell and i've always

02:22:32.600 kind of associated owls to the house in your clean uh the she is the goddess of protection

02:22:39.960 and vigilance ever vigilant um i think that uh during the renaissance era people that drew the

02:22:47.720 our senior clean kind of likened her to minerva so maybe that's where i'm kind of getting it but

02:22:53.960 she is the ever vigilant herman lawns uh associated the owl with uh with brig um

02:23:05.000 but yeah it was just a cool cool happening um

02:23:10.680 next one we got i think is really oh i'm sorry i didn't notice this until just now

02:23:16.920 rage of red bought us 10 coffees that's 50 donation thank you so much for that we appreciate

02:23:23.160 it very much um so question from the wolf throne does the afa do something similar to

02:23:33.000 murti worship in vedic religion not necessarily praying but it's an idea of meditating upon

02:23:40.760 sacred images of the gods and goddesses for example meditating upon an image of asa thor

02:23:47.240 as a way to come to know thor more intimately this is something that i personally as i've been

02:23:55.000 i do personally as i've been taking more inspiration from vedic religion in my

02:23:58.440 master practice um so in a general sense yes i want to better understand if murty has to be

02:24:14.560 three-dimensional or can be um two-dimensional because we i mean we absolutely pray in front of

02:24:25.120 our images of the gods and spend time with that as a focal point and meditation

02:24:31.760 um yeah this was not a stage shot but it's one of my favorite afa pictures that nick just put up

02:24:41.980 um i was just taking a moment of prayer to uh also thor in that picture and somebody happened

02:24:49.060 to happen to capture it i think it was after i did a thor bloat in his in his hof

02:24:57.940 but yeah we every time i go to a hof i go in front of um the mural and i you know give my

02:25:09.700 obeisance and you know greetings and i i say a prayer to the god of the hof

02:25:19.060 um i know many people go up to that area right in front of the altar and just

02:25:27.000 you know take some time in prayer and meditation i think that's very common and i think that on

02:25:34.760 our home altars most people have um you know some kind of statuary to the gods

02:25:43.320 um if not they'll have uh pictures and and do that but no i think that's very common i don't

02:25:53.480 my understanding of certain forms honestly my my understanding of hindu murti

02:26:04.440 Murti Puja, Murti worship practices comes from what the Hare Krishnas do with their Murtis.

02:26:14.800 And I mean, we don't have elaborate things where we like dress them up and prepare the meals and do like as intense as that, I would say, 0.81

02:26:29.700 because i don't think it's just not how we've currently developed most often that wouldn't be

02:26:37.140 wrong or bad to do just because most of our imagery is two-dimensional i don't think it

02:26:42.580 lends itself certainly to adorning it with decoration the same way that a three-dimensional

02:26:49.460 representation would um but we often leave you know plates or leave food offerings

02:26:56.980 certainly drink offerings and almost always incense offerings um so yeah i think that's

02:27:05.300 really common in that sense now there may be more to your question and if there is please

02:27:09.620 let us know swan is it something that maybe you're more familiar with or have anything you

02:27:13.940 want to add on it yeah i think that the imagery that i have been blessed to do was with two

02:27:25.780 intentions one to create um physical and symbolic form in order to emphasize spiritual tenants and

02:27:34.980 the other is to combine lore and elements that will help further uh someone's understanding of lore

02:27:44.820 um the down to um lord thor you know in his belt is grithable the the iron rod um inside

02:27:57.080 me and yorth and me and yorth has you know specific runes uh denoting the name me and

02:28:04.080 yorth might of the earth and um uh the the cascading of lightning from the top as opposed

02:28:12.420 to perhaps you know mid-swing or or something of that nature there was there was all in tension

02:28:17.460 with the idea of where these placements are and then there was intention with the boat being you

02:28:24.100 know a a foundation not um anchored not set that this was a this was a time in which even holy

02:28:34.900 Thor himself was, was not able to pull and stabilize his power. Um, and that, um, the

02:28:43.480 positioning of, of the arms, the, the one arm up and the one arm lateral, um, because this is

02:28:50.440 actually just a play on the Thurza's rune. And I know I, I, I never really had a chance to tell

02:28:57.660 people about it, but yeah, the, the, the reason why his arm is one is held high and the other is

02:29:03.280 held straight out is because this is a thirst room um hidden in the imagery um the uh the the color

02:29:13.320 of his tunic being red and black and gold um is uh the gold representing the solar the black

02:29:21.140 representing the night and the red representing kind of the the fire of the sky from the icier

02:29:27.500 But his pants or his breeches are green and blue, representing the earth and the water, because he is the son of Yarth and Lord Odin, the sky and the earth.

02:29:39.580 So there's a lot of stuff in there. And then to kind of fill in the cracks, the mortar between the bricks is the runic.

02:29:46.500 And the runic is just very simple. It's simply stating that Heimir is filled with fear, and Lord Thor is taking this moment to slay the foe of men, Jormungandr.

02:30:03.080 Some people have asked me about the oddity of his positioning, but that's why. It's a Thurizos. 0.89

02:30:09.120 my new cat is trying to chew on my finger i'm trying to dissuade him from doing so

02:30:20.140 i was going to say like each of the uh the fact that uh your uh lord and yonder is giving and

02:30:30.260 it says in the runics that his giving hands no no no bounds or his giving hands no no end

02:30:36.400 the giving god and the fruitfulness and he's passing the the fish to to the seagull um the

02:30:44.760 fact that he's reclining uh was kind of both a you know it was a a thing that was necessary

02:30:51.760 because of the wall space but um it became again a sense of of um enjoying the fruits of your of

02:30:59.760 your work he's done fishing and now he's relaxing in the sun um lord odin you know is sitting in the

02:31:08.340 cusp between a threshold he's literally painted on a stanchion or an ounce the something that

02:31:14.720 holds the building up and uh on one side is darkness and the other is light and it shows his

02:31:23.020 his movement, Sleipnir, the one that allows him to move, is, you know, presented on the light

02:31:30.680 as, you know, seeking knowledge, seeking the secrets that are no longer able to hide in the

02:31:37.400 light. And then on the other side is the darkness, the doom of the gods that was wrought when

02:31:47.180 olden dillion they slayed emir and sealed the fate and that's mentioned in the stone so there's

02:31:53.180 a lot of imagery and and symbology that i took with the intention of hoping that people would

02:31:58.980 develop this meditative look at uh at the gods i think that everything that if we do this at home

02:32:09.260 should be done in that way it should uh i i like statuary and i think some of them are really

02:32:14.580 really cool but there should be an essence of building towards a meditative connection

02:32:20.740 towards the gods um and i have always taken to calling idols godsteads or or pictures of the

02:32:28.180 gods to be called godsteads places that are in your home or in your uh hall or in the hof and

02:32:36.580 they are absolutely open to the holy divine sitting there and looking upon the folk so there

02:32:45.700 is uh you know the sense that these these these powerful uh items kind of are an anchoring point

02:32:55.140 in which uh the gods can kind of uh weave their orlaw into the area

02:33:01.860 i think that as we go forward too we're going to have a commonality of things

02:33:13.140 i know people are starting to see um i mean it's mentioned in the gil beginning it's mentioned in

02:33:18.500 the volus bow it's mentioned in the um the little volus bow if you will that we're going over next

02:33:24.960 time you know the gods are 12 and so you see the son and rod behind the head of the holy ice here

02:33:33.680 um with 12 spokes specifically to represent and they are a goal a golden color to represent that

02:33:41.120 divinity that is not once tread in the mortal blood uh for that you know you'll see it behind

02:33:47.280 someone's head in red these things are kind of things that were never they they were established

02:33:52.720 organically but haven't really been crossed and we we are crossing that imagery and uh i think

02:33:58.560 also here ago they have said like you know generations to come perhaps people will look

02:34:03.760 back and go oh you know this time of artwork these things were being emphasized and and

02:34:10.560 the swan period yeah i mean so when we see modern also true art spawns art is very distinctive

02:34:20.240 um i think also uh ron mcbann's art is very distinctive

02:34:27.440 and a lot of it that you end up seeing is black and white like pen and ink

02:34:33.840 almost geometric almost has like an escher quality to it or whatever it's it's very distinctive and

02:34:41.680 you can pick it out and it's really interesting and i think that that along with his poetry has

02:34:48.800 been very influential to a lot of us um but you can pick ron's stuff out a mile away and it's really

02:34:58.880 it's very distinctive in its purpose and what he does um there's some dragon head like

02:35:10.320 i don't know what you'd call them but altar pieces that we have at odin's off

02:35:14.720 that he did um better in

02:35:21.360 you know colors of the day like 1970s 1980s kind of like uh turquoise

02:35:30.080 and yellow and and red and stuff and honestly in a lot of ways it looks similar to the coloring

02:35:35.280 that i've seen on the kind of reimagined uh recolored recreation of the yelling stone

02:35:41.280 Um, but again, you could see from a long way off, like, ah, I think that's some of Ron's

02:35:47.040 work.

02:35:48.000 Um, and I think we see the same with, with Spahn and the stuff that he does.

02:35:54.080 There is a, our gods, and I've seen this, inhabit and take ownership.

02:36:11.280 of swan's art in a special way there's something that when you're in the presence of that there is

02:36:19.960 another force in the room with you and you can feel that um something specifically with the odin

02:36:29.820 mural at odin's off um odin's eye follows you no matter where you are in the room

02:36:37.800 and you see that

02:36:40.820 and you know that to be true

02:36:41.960 when you walk into

02:36:43.540 Thor's Hoth

02:36:44.920 the mural of Thor is

02:36:48.380 pun intended I guess

02:36:51.100 is striking

02:36:51.940 it literally

02:36:54.820 like you have to take a minute

02:36:57.400 it's very powerful

02:36:59.400 so we're very

02:37:01.420 fortunate to have that

02:37:02.960 so

02:37:06.720 hey hush i don't know my kittens fussing about something anyways he'll figure it out um next

02:37:19.020 question uh matt from wolf throne also matt and spawn would you say the yotnar are the

02:37:29.280 astral equivalent of the Asuras in Vedic religion. From what I understand, Asuras are demonic beings

02:37:39.340 who oppose the gods. Svan, what do you say to that? And are you, how familiar are you with that 0.94

02:37:49.640 concept? I'm fairly familiar, but one thing that I keyed in on that isn't mentioned in the question

02:37:56.420 is there's actually a title for the asuras that become deva and that is a key thing that

02:38:04.740 really led me down uh the creation of the of the titling of aust veneer um you know we spoke of

02:38:14.900 the ice here we speak of the house the the 12 gods we speak of the our senior and then we speak

02:38:22.080 the oust veneer these primordial um beings that are brought into an alignment with the gods and

02:38:30.240 i think that there is um mention of that amongst the asura so to consider them wholly demonic or

02:38:38.880 antithetical to the gods i don't think is the correct path um but i mean i'm from a from an

02:38:45.280 outside perspective immediately like that could be placed with the famorians of the celts or um

02:38:52.160 the uh the titans amongst the uh greco-roman so i i can understand the the immediacy to do that

02:39:00.080 and in a lot of ways it it is that in broad spectrum but the difference between the gods

02:39:06.960 and the otans is like they're not a different race they are kind of entirely built upon the

02:39:14.160 intention of the way that they manipulate uh cosmic matter or cosmic stuff um the gods bring

02:39:23.040 to order the vanir are the embodiment of natural law um and uh the icier are the embodiment of

02:39:31.120 cosmic order and when they align they become one so cosmic order and natural law are

02:39:37.920 uh unbreakable like a ring and then there are primordial beings who come into alignment with

02:39:45.200 the icier and join in that but there is still a large you know corpus of the of the the yotnar

02:39:54.320 who are built on their their titling i always kind of label as resistance so we have natural law

02:40:03.280 we have cosmic order and then in the east that which flows into the middle from yotan

02:40:10.160 is resistance and dissipation and natural law is built on life life is constantly flowing against

02:40:18.640 resistance and that kind of creates the the engine of the middle world um and then you know

02:40:27.280 the ice here on top of that drape on the foundational pillars of time of law of precepts

02:40:35.680 that that are outside of the cyclical time so yotnar in and of themselves generally are resistance 0.84

02:40:43.680 and there are certain things that when the yotnar come into the dominion of the ice here that is a

02:40:49.680 form of resistance that is shifting and relenting into order and coming into a into part this the

02:40:59.360 aust veneer you know it we talk about yard the holy goddess of the earth we talk about grida

02:41:06.640 the the dark side of the earth the sister of her if you will the the um she is the the one you know

02:41:13.520 who creates tension the the tectonic plates the the springs the chasms of the earth and

02:41:20.320 and the geysers and all things violent kind of are attested to her she's the earth that isn't

02:41:25.840 so giving or kind um and has helped thor gives him the uh gives him breathable um we talk about

02:41:34.080 render render is the oust veneer of the ice and of the cold and the and the uh the freezing um

02:41:42.160 um, you know, rind of, of, of the cold. Um, Skavi, again, of the mountains, uh, you know,

02:41:50.840 the scathing one, she cuts into the skin or the flesh of the earth, like a glacier, you know,

02:41:57.320 and, and the, the idea of her being that which is birthed from the mountains, um, and, you know,

02:42:02.840 again, being the, the connection to the Lord of the waters, um, you know, and we talk about the

02:42:10.140 Veneer with all of these kind of understanding that they either produce children or align or

02:42:17.780 sometimes both. Gríðr did both. She helps Thor and then also is the mother of Vidar, the wide

02:42:25.120 ruler. And so we see this alignment and in our stories, marriage and childbirth are kind of

02:42:30.760 the symbol of that alignment, that joining into the tribe. And again, Mimir. Mimir is

02:42:37.980 um uh he is placed at at the receptacle of time time the origination of time flows out of earth's 0.50

02:42:47.700 well or it seeps down into the unknown which eventually falls to the middle world and

02:42:53.860 everything that happens here in the middle world because resistance is flowing in and dissipation

02:42:58.600 is taking it out all time and all of all of that which happens in the middle eventually funnels

02:43:05.300 into Jotunheim, into the east. And there Lord Odin placed Mimir's head in order to connect

02:43:12.940 himself to the receptacle of all deeds. So now he can see the beginning and the end of time and of

02:43:21.020 deed of Orla. That's really, really important to understand that. And I guess the other thing is

02:43:29.420 the further back you go, the closer to Bergelmer. So Ogilmer is Ymir. Ogilmer is just another name

02:43:40.320 for Ymir. Bergelmer is the son of Ymir, and he and his wife in the lore escape the deluge of

02:43:47.660 blood, and they flow into the east. And then they are barred there by the holy gods as they build

02:43:55.320 the the range to keep them out of the material um they are from that kin the closer they are

02:44:06.140 they remember the slaying of emir so they hold an antithetical or or um you know just

02:44:13.520 a resistance against the gods um but as their generations grow uh just like we see the

02:44:22.380 generations of the gods, you know, knowing that Lord Njordr and Lord Odin are older gods. Lord

02:44:30.940 Tyr is an old god. They've been around longer than perhaps, say, like if we were to look at

02:44:36.900 Forseti or Magni and Modi. And I'm not stating that we can kind of like chronologically place

02:44:44.900 them. We just kind of generally visualize them as being older and younger. It's the same way

02:44:51.680 with the Jotnar. There are older that remember and are in the outer guard. They sit out there 0.99

02:44:57.900 and there's no alignment that can be found. But the younger generations begin to see

02:45:06.980 that aligning and maintaining is better than to, you know, the resistance and the dissipation.

02:45:14.140 um but yeah to call them demonic i mean there's elements amongst them we also know of the reeseed

02:45:22.140 we also know of the thirst but uh just like with the hindus the uh asuras can also take the form

02:45:31.060 of like land based or um spirits of destruction like the raksasa or um you know these these

02:45:41.160 beings that live within the darkness of the jungle or live within you know the confines of of the

02:45:47.080 mountains i think that that was understood by our ancestors as well that the jotnar kind of um

02:45:53.880 they're perhaps their descendants these these fragments these kind of bestial um remnants of

02:46:00.640 the jotnar exist in the middle world and kind of bleed over and that's why lord thor is constantly

02:46:06.680 trying to keep them at bay he's they call him i'm riding the one who rides alone and he rides out

02:46:13.080 and he tries to constantly keep this flow of resistance and and venom and dissipation from

02:46:21.040 tearing the fabric of reality and um so i i think there's commonality there when we talk about like

02:46:28.680 if you would the demon opposite like trolls are kind of the same thing i know we kind of think of

02:46:35.340 them christianity has kind of turned them into you know frumpy or big giant kind of oafish things

02:46:40.720 with elemental um dressings but yeah they're you know terrible beings that inhabit places of you

02:46:48.080 know great sorrow or just great desolation and isolation um and you know they hide because if

02:46:55.520 they make themselves known you know uh lord thor will you know seek them out um and another thing

02:47:05.320 worth remembering too is jotun means ancient being or descended of ancient beings a lot of folks

02:47:12.440 forget that the gods are descended from jotuns that are of the eldest plane

02:47:20.360 they're from nevelheim not from midgard they're not from emir they are of the rim thurser of the

02:47:27.240 old just like sutr the rymthurs are from even before emir and before adumla and before

02:47:36.360 yggdrasil so a lot of folks get that confused when they hear yacht and they immediately think emir

02:47:42.520 um and there are far more ancient and a different you know place than um than the descendants of

02:47:51.080 solely emir like uh best law is not derived from emir she is derived from the the proto matter of

02:48:03.160 the universe um nibelheim all righty um yeah i thoughts on i don't know i don't think it goes

02:48:18.280 over completely perfect that way it's interesting to me that indra is considered a asura um i don't

02:48:32.120 know exactly how that breakdown works we always see that dichotomy between these previous generations

02:48:41.400 of powerful um metaphysical i guess beings um divinity or proto-divinity

02:48:56.760 we see the yotnar we see the titans um

02:49:04.200 we see that a lot and i think that when we look for exact cognates on it we

02:49:09.720 sometimes that's tricky but i think that is a concept there's

02:49:17.720 there's something there but i wouldn't buy into it too heavy because i think it evolves

02:49:22.440 really really differently i think that there is

02:49:33.720 okay so this is a controversial statement but i think that there's truth in it

02:49:37.960 But when you look at what the closest, I don't know, modern or semi-modern equivalent is to the development of Alcetru, I think a lot of people go with Hinduism.

02:49:54.880 And I think in a lot of ways, medieval Catholicism is a lot more similar because it draws on European traditions and overlays it with Jesus.

02:50:08.220 Whereas Hinduism keeps ancestral conception of divinity, but then infuses all the admixture of Dravidian things to it over time.

02:50:26.600 And it becomes very, very different because the folk don't practice that faith. 0.78

02:50:33.120 Other people's folk practice that faith.

02:50:35.860 and so I think it's really interesting

02:50:38.900 and I think there's lessons to be learned

02:50:40.920 from both

02:50:41.780 but I don't really think that

02:50:46.800 Hinduism is a

02:50:47.800 it's tailored towards a very different

02:50:51.020 folk but

02:50:52.620 using

02:50:53.300 very ancient conceptions

02:50:56.760 of our divinity

02:50:57.800 and you see that in very

02:51:00.460 strange

02:51:01.460 evolutions of their concepts

02:51:04.460 You don't see the same heroism, the same embracing of life.

02:51:13.280 You see a very, very different life-negating battle towards nothingness.

02:51:21.740 You see a lot of stuff that's really, really different.

02:51:25.420 Because, again, it's evolved to fit a different branch of humanity, a different folk and a different people.

02:51:35.340 so i think that's a i think that sometimes we try over hard to force that um

02:51:47.260 is there a date when you intend on having frayers hoff built so i think and i just

02:51:54.460 want to be super clear i'm not um playing on words but i built no it's going to end up being a uh

02:52:04.460 current structure that already exists that'll be um repurposed as Freyrshoff we are looking

02:52:15.320 to build tiershoff from the ground up but uh Freyrshoff will be an existing structure and

02:52:22.460 when we will purchase that and dedicate that hoff depends on whose estimate so the first

02:52:31.040 that we have to do before we can do that and this is how this process has worked successfully for

02:52:36.960 us the first step to getting phrase off is paying off words off and we currently if nick's got the

02:52:46.560 visual aids for us we currently owe about there we go seventy seven thousand eight hundred and

02:52:53.600 85.80 cents on yours off only when that is paid off can we move on to to phrase off now if you

02:53:03.440 look that's a that's a lot of money and there's no universe that i'm gonna pretend it's not

02:53:08.720 certainly it is but if you look at the chart we've paid quite a bit just having it for two years this

02:53:14.160 is you know the previous half's not fair because we got to steal the deal on bulberson

02:53:22.400 but um this is by far the most expensive hoff that we've ever had was nords off because florida real

02:53:31.040 estate is very expensive comparatively to some of the other things we've been able to do and in the

02:53:37.200 past two years we've paid off you know 68 what is that 68.3 68.3 percent of of that which is

02:53:48.360 tremendous so i would say

02:53:53.800 we can be very seriously in the planning phases for phrasehoff within two years

02:53:59.720 if everyone were to jump in and donate if every member of the afa were to donate 102 today

02:54:07.400 mjordshoff would be paid off and we would immediately move into coming with our planning

02:54:12.920 for phraseoff but um that said we need to generate that and go ahead and pay off new york off we also

02:54:21.400 need to raise our um current income level by our monthly income needs to go up by 9.6

02:54:36.440 percent before we're in a spot to main not to get phrase hoff but to maintain phrase hoff

02:54:44.520 so we have a couple of things that we want to do to be responsible to make that happen i think we

02:54:48.920 can be in the chase for phrase hoff within two years i'd love to see it sooner if you guys want

02:54:54.840 to you know if you guys are able to i i would love to do it i mean i'd love to be doing that

02:55:02.760 top of next year but i think that that's going to take a very very generous amount of donation

02:55:10.920 but yeah as soon as we can go ahead and pay off your top we'll get started on phrase

02:55:14.680 hoff i would love to see that within the next two years

02:55:26.120 yeah go ahead so um i noticed and i just want to clarify it because

02:55:31.560 um you know it's verbiage that we are um teaching and going through i noticed that wolf throne said

02:55:38.760 you know he said the house vanir um in relation to the the beloved ones the word is actually

02:55:45.640 oust a s t v i n i r and oust means love so if you were to say like the goddess of love in old

02:55:55.320 norse it would be aust and that would be the goddess of love or um you could say like

02:56:01.560 aust work which would mean like um charity uh as an example so aust veneer means beloved ones

02:56:11.400 um it uh a lot of folks uh in other like groups of try to say like troll wives or

02:56:18.600 jot and brides or other things and i felt that that was too divisive in the titling so looking

02:56:26.920 at things um and trying to kind of title uh find a better title that i think was more pious

02:56:34.200 so austvenir is uh one word but it's a s t v i n r and it means the beloved ones the ones who are

02:56:43.160 brought into the fold of the gods and the fact that it has the oust beginning is

02:56:49.720 definitely lent the reasoning for that translation um

02:56:55.800 yeah and it's it's it's spelled it's spelled like this um you know i i know this is terrible

02:57:02.200 just scribbling it out but yeah it's one word austvinia yeah and it means the beloved ones

02:57:09.480 the ones who are brought into the fold or have born um icier children yeah and so i think it has

02:57:19.000 a lot of of a more pious um view of of these elemental beings coming into yeah there's not

02:57:28.200 i just saw it and i was like oh man we got to clear this up just to make sure because i don't

02:57:31.800 want people to think like oh you know they don't they're making some wild claims love friends

02:57:39.480 yeah uh the yes the beloved one the loving the the love friends right yeah and i mean but

02:57:51.000 i mean we talk about boyfriend and girlfriend it doesn't

02:57:55.160 there are different types of friendship love friends i think that's a fine translation of it

02:58:00.600 i was just as some of you may know i'm swan and i both and a number of us are really working on

02:58:07.320 our understanding of the old norse and so it's kind of an ongoing process and we kind of nerd

02:58:13.480 out on some linguistics on here full time to time it's so a note on that it's funny and some of it's

02:58:22.760 kind of a nerd eccentric eccentricity but i think that also what i've noticed as i've started to go

02:58:31.320 down that more and more and try to understand the language more and more it adds dimensionality and

02:58:37.640 it helps really form it a deeper understanding of lore i've noticed it a lot when i try to trace

02:58:48.760 back names when i try to conceptualize the runes so the rune name comes to come to us in uh like

02:58:59.880 proto-germanic when you try to follow that linearly into you know what would the old

02:59:08.440 norse name for our runes be you come into some very interesting crossroads where you can see

02:59:15.480 why some of the rune poems don't make a lot of sense because there's times when you could go

02:59:20.920 left or you could go right and one makes all the sense in the world and carries on the continuity

02:59:25.960 and one goes a really different direction so it's really informative the more that

02:59:30.760 you're able to do it and that's something we're working hard um i i did see nick also brought up

02:59:38.680 a point the usage of the number four there is the aus the aus senior the aus venir and the hymen

02:59:47.720 the uh four is a symbol of stability so it kind of uh shows in essence the kind of four

02:59:55.320 nomenclatured spaces in which we identify the gods there are the 12 hours there are the 14

03:00:01.960 hours in your that are mentioned in the guild beginning there are 10 hours and there are six

03:00:08.520 heavenly wardens now is this in concrete no because they're we still discuss like um you know

03:00:14.840 the regional uh the germanic goddess hola her place or just we're not stating these are the

03:00:22.520 only gods what we are stating is that this is a the best way for someone coming into ausitru and

03:00:29.480 the afa is saying like look this is a great way for you to learn all of the divine beings that um

03:00:36.200 through the lore um basis point this is a really important thing that i want folks to internalize to

03:00:44.360 you. Fundamentally, and I'm sure there's more eloquent ways to put this,

03:00:55.180 Ausatru is much more of a thou shalt religion than a thou shalt not religion. There's plenty

03:01:02.460 of things that are bad that you shouldn't do. Let's not pretend that's not the case,

03:01:07.400 but that's not how we express our approach to life we talk about what we love who we are

03:01:17.280 what we celebrate who we worship we don't start with all the things we don't like all the things

03:01:28.420 we don't worship all the things we can't stand all the things we hate that's not

03:01:34.400 those things exist and it would be dishonest to imply that doesn't exist but that's not how we

03:01:44.720 express ourselves it's one of the reasons that we call ourselves ousatru as opposed to something

03:01:51.480 else we're not how other people define us as the other we are us everybody else is other

03:01:58.020 and they're free to define themselves by their own terms that's fine and i respect that

03:02:03.760 But that's why we choose to define who we are, not as a reaction to something different, but as a positive expression of our folk soul, of our gods, of our ancestors, and of our will to power as people, as a being, as a folk.

03:02:23.920 um and it may i don't know it may seem like a word game but it's not it really affects

03:02:33.200 how you think how you conceptualize the world so in the afa we

03:02:41.120 we're able to codify some very distinct things that you don't do but more importantly what

03:02:49.440 we're focusing on is a growing list of things that you ought to do so our list of gods and

03:02:57.380 goddesses at this point in time is not complete or comprehensive or the only but it's the you

03:03:04.580 should do this well but what about that we didn't say that we said you should do this are you doing

03:03:11.800 this okay once you are then we can talk about maybe what else you should do but you should do

03:03:20.280 this you know nine noble virtues but what about this is a virtue too nobody said it wasn't but

03:03:27.480 we said these are good do you dispute that okay cool let's do these um a lot of people

03:03:36.840 project that in the world we live in today people are very sensitive and they're very trigger happy

03:03:44.440 unless you endorse their little thing you must be adamantly opposed to it and that's not the case

03:03:54.040 there's it's funny i try to teach my four-year-old this all the time you know she asks

03:04:01.000 I need to have one color that I like. I can't like multiple colors. I've got to have like

03:04:09.260 one color. Like, is this your favorite color? You love red? You don't like? No, I can like a lot of

03:04:15.180 different colors. There's a lot of things that, you know, I can enjoy a lot of different kinds

03:04:18.780 of candy, a lot of different things. I'm sorry. Those ones have come up near Halloween when

03:04:23.860 dealing with my daughter. I don't just love chocolate. I like sour candy too. I can get

03:04:30.480 down a lot of different kinds of candy let me tell you um no but realistically

03:04:40.080 you it would be wrong-headed and it would be exhausting to rather than define the things you

03:04:49.520 like define all the things you don't like and that's not that's not a religion that's an

03:04:59.440 absence of the religion that's like your religion is the negative space of all of the positive

03:05:05.920 things that you've cut out and whatever's left over is what you believe in and that's

03:05:10.800 that's not our approach that's not also true we carve out for ourselves the things that we do

03:05:16.640 celebrate and that we do engage in and then we take the rest as it comes to us on whether it's

03:05:24.320 beneficial or not um nick bell music wants to know a question for spawn what do you think about the

03:05:35.760 trinity of evolution of consciousness of simple uh simple consciousness self-consciousness and

03:05:43.360 cosmic consciousness uh i i see that within the tripartite that is lord odin um

03:05:52.720 um so i 100 believe it and short answer you can kind of see it there is the uh the simple

03:06:00.960 knowledge or the knowledge that is the will so that's that is um of lord odin that is villi

03:06:07.840 the uh so you said simple knowledge what was the other knowledge and then cosmic there was simple

03:06:15.360 self um but either way you can see this in the names of the tripartite that is lord odin there

03:06:27.720 is uh villi the will i think this is the simplest form of consciousness in the sense that it

03:06:35.020 implements action then there is vey vey is the um the will of the self and the soul and then there

03:06:43.780 is the cosmic uh the the uh yeah so simple consciousness implements physicality self

03:06:50.900 consciousness exemplifies the internal the soul and then cosmic is the woad or the other which is

03:06:59.140 um lord odin so the the trinity within the the tripartite lord odin himself in his facets

03:07:09.060 shows those three things so yes i 100 believe that that is a thing i also believe that this

03:07:15.940 is represented through the valknot the vote not represents the three who is one interlinked the

03:07:22.580 attainment of knowledge the process of knowledge the releasing of knowledge the implementation of

03:07:27.700 will the introspection and building of the soul and then the unifying knowledge towards that which

03:07:35.140 is greater, the woad self. So Lord Ovin, Lord Vili, Lord Ve, all three represent those distinct

03:07:44.420 consciousnesses that you just mentioned. After the first 14, will we move on to the

03:07:55.700 als veneer such as sky these hoff so i don't know i think that's the honest answer i think you want

03:08:09.860 like a really cool answer and i would love to give you one um but truth is one of our values

03:08:16.580 when kind of a um a history or a ipa fueled aside if you will um

03:08:33.620 from the throat of the eagle so realistically um when we got odin's off

03:08:40.900 and that was um before i say before my time not really but before my house harrier gathord uh

03:08:51.580 started it was under the administration steve mcdallan he got that half and it was like one

03:08:57.460 and done like hey we've got one finally because until then the idea of having a half was elusive

03:09:05.820 for shoot since the 70s i mean i read things in like 1972 about how hoff is imminent and one did

03:09:18.900 not happen until until 2015 um so that was like v hoff and i remember it was a really big thing

03:09:27.380 and originally that hoff was named new grange hall and it was just the afa's hoff

03:09:33.700 um and

03:09:38.620 that was the Hoff like we have a Hoff now the Hoff there is one one and done Hoff boom

03:09:47.440 and very quickly after that that was the fall of 2015 as I mentioned earlier October October of

03:09:55.720 in 2015. um i became all's harrier gothi in

03:10:02.360 started in motion in um around ostara of 2016 and became official at midsummer 2016. so

03:10:14.280 less than a year in and i can find the date when we officially

03:10:19.240 dedicated the Hoff to Odin. And it was really important for me to do that

03:10:25.480 because there were many more Hoffs to come. It wasn't like just one for the AFA. Our gods

03:10:32.720 deserve their own Hoffs. And that was really important to establish. And something that

03:10:40.480 an order of what Hoffs to do was something that we'd thought about for a long time,

03:10:48.980 at least at least i had and um a go-fi that was a mentor to me a guy brad taylor hicks

03:11:00.820 who's a really good friend of mine um for for a time there for a really important time in my life

03:11:07.060 and a very important mentor of mine and he and i talked about this a lot on you know how do

03:11:14.820 we narrow it down everybody's got all these different ideas about what gods or which and

03:11:19.540 this and that and we really focused in on the gilfaginning as being a comprehensive listing

03:11:25.540 of the gods that our ancestors felt were appropriate for us to give worship to

03:11:30.740 and that gave birth to the order in which we were going to do these hoffs

03:11:36.820 so the listing of the gods as they're laid out in the gilfaginning is the order in which we are

03:11:43.460 committed doing that and it takes a little bit of reading the text and reading into it because it it

03:11:50.980 names a list of of 14 gods but it says 12 are beneficial for mankind to worship two or not

03:12:01.940 and two or not and the two if you read the text and you and you you pay attention to that

03:12:08.820 it becomes clear but it takes a little bit of you know

03:12:14.260 a little bit of study and a little bit of paying attention to the writing

03:12:18.340 but then it lists uh the asenior and whereas the gods there's very obviously like odin is odin is a

03:12:29.140 at a different level than the other um isir people have this multicultural

03:12:41.620 odin's the all-father you know banquisha is a daughter of the alpha no it says in that text

03:12:49.860 he's called the all-father because he's the father of all of the isir all of the isir serve him as

03:12:55.700 children to a father so he is he is the king he is in a paternal role over the icer um

03:13:06.420 so there's clearly both in in in a primacy with the other icer you know serving him and then

03:13:15.380 Then, when it talks of the al-senior, it's very clear that Mother Frigg and Lady Freya are in an elevated position in relation to the other al-senior that they mention.

03:13:33.840 so it was very important that we have the 12 isere that men ought to worship and then we have

03:13:41.440 the two very prominent al senior and from there we'll make decisions as to where we want to go

03:13:47.340 at that point but this first if y'all rush me and the donations come in and this is a decision i

03:13:58.740 have to make here quickly. That is an amazing problem to have. I would love nothing more in

03:14:05.620 this world to have that problem to figure out. Realistically, four Hoffs in nine years. 0.68

03:14:23.400 we have 10 more hoffs on that list so

03:14:29.920 i would like to be able to tell you something sooner

03:14:36.280 hit me back in 30 years and we will be ready to uh to address that in a more definitive fashion

03:14:46.040 but i would love if you guys force my hand on that um but yeah we have a little bit of time

03:14:52.060 We're going to accelerate. I want to get there way quicker than that.

03:14:55.860 But realistically, we are a long ways out from that specifically.

03:14:59.940 And all of this isn't so Matt can be intellectually lazy.

03:15:03.820 It gives us time to trust in the gods to inspire us and to lead us in a direction.

03:15:11.260 And it is something that I've come to the gods with before asking for guidance on.

03:15:17.060 um so by the time that becomes closer to being what we need to consider i hope and i literally

03:15:26.400 pray that i will have some insight on exactly where we want to go from there but i think we

03:15:31.200 have a lot of learning to do between now and then if if um if ever i win the lottery that gas pedal

03:15:38.320 is going to be pushed let's do it i wanted to say something because i noticed something in the side

03:15:43.580 here with Han Movies saying, you know, I'm loving the word house a true. And I do come off as kind

03:15:50.860 of a nice guy, but I'm also quite a sneaky person. And I've got some eyes in some groups

03:15:59.880 that are not with us. And I remember distinctly a conversation that was just happening on Facebook

03:16:06.600 book that i was just of course snooping in on certain people um that are not us you know they're

03:16:13.620 going back and forth about the usage of of um norse pagan and heathen and odinist and they're

03:16:20.980 you know they're going back and forth and they're at each other's throats and um you know they're

03:16:25.480 saying they don't want to use the word ausitru because one it's too uh liberal or it's it's

03:16:32.140 utilized by universalists or they outright said it was utilized by us, which I found humorous.

03:16:39.100 And I'm not going to say anything because I don't want to, I figure we're late enough into the

03:16:42.440 stream right now that anybody that might catch wind of this isn't going to stick around this

03:16:48.580 long. So I'm revealing the cards, if you will. I'm in a lot of these chat groups just kind of

03:16:54.520 lurking and just keeping an eye on the little things that people talk about. And I distinctly

03:17:00.980 remember, I believe, Stefan Thorsman stating, you know, oh, you know, we haven't, this is the

03:17:07.900 reason why Ausatru, which is funny that he used that word, instead of heathenry or Norse paganism

03:17:14.480 or whatever, he said Ausatru has not moved forward at all because we're constantly bickering and

03:17:19.940 fighting considering his past. I thought that was kind of ironic that he would say that, but

03:17:25.060 um uh i i i it one it kills me that they they don't wish to acknowledge the fact that

03:17:35.700 we have four hoffs to our holy gods and we've got two in the in the queue waiting and uh we're

03:17:44.380 building forward they're just so busy at each other's throats going over um again the negative

03:17:50.260 like also he said they're building on the negative they're constantly going and and the also true

03:17:56.580 focus on the also true real also true is saying this is what we have this is what we're building

03:18:02.100 this is what we're going forth on and so just watching these guys kind of just rip at each

03:18:07.540 other for the the tiniest and most ridiculous of things was disheartening to see but at the

03:18:14.260 same time like it just re-influenced that you know what we are doing is right what we're doing is the

03:18:21.060 positive we're building we you know also true to them has gone nowhere also true to them is biting

03:18:28.580 at each other's throats like like like dogs in the bushes um but also true for us is we have hoss

03:18:36.660 and we are building more and you know who knows when we'll where we'll stop at um

03:18:41.860 Um, I, I just, I think it's truly beautiful.

03:18:45.620 And I just noticed it when you had said, you know, like the preference of Ausatru versus

03:18:49.720 heathen, the idea of the, of the nomenclature of the gods, um, and giving them positive,

03:18:55.840 giving them the beloved friends or the beloved ones of the gods and the, and the heavenly

03:19:00.680 wardens, these are done out of respect.

03:19:02.840 Cause I think the AFA ultimately works from the light, from the positive.

03:19:08.300 um and so you know sneaking around for me is just kind of to keep an eye on people and have my

03:19:16.500 little nose and fingers in everyone's pies but the reality is is that they're still

03:19:21.060 in the delusional darkness at each other's throats and and kind of doing these things and

03:19:27.660 it's um telling everyone come home come to the afa join join the winning join the flag bearing

03:19:35.860 the Hoff Building side and leave all that negative. And then ultimately, too, you have an

03:19:42.760 open door to the Alzheimer's, to anyone, to be able to ask questions and talk to people. We're

03:19:48.300 not hiding things. Speaking of the open door, Nicholas, would you post the email address if

03:19:56.220 you have questions you want answered by either Spahn or myself or any of our amazing guests on

03:20:02.140 victory never sleeps. Those of you listening and not consuming this in a visual format,

03:20:09.380 vns at runestone.org. Or you could ask, like, some people could probably ask questions in

03:20:20.840 other places and I might actually see it. If you're not paying attention, I'm lurking.

03:20:32.140 i'll refrain so um

03:20:38.940 yeah just so everybody knows uh morris i see your thing over in the side um

03:20:48.540 i don't know your situation you say you're you know not a particularly religious person but if

03:20:52.940 you had a religious wife and kids you'd want to default afa first thank you for that i appreciate

03:20:59.660 i appreciate that um i don't know if you have a irreligious wife and kids so that's not a thing

03:21:09.900 or if you are perhaps unmarried and that may be in your future if it is i i hope that you do

03:21:14.780 have a religious wife and kids that come to us and you know if you are ever interested i'm

03:21:21.180 really glad you're on the podcast listening if you ever have any questions or you know i think

03:21:27.260 that may mean different things to different people but it's our mission to bring all our

03:21:32.540 folk home and i just want to put the invite out if there's reasons that you don't join the afa

03:21:39.260 but that you wouldn't you know are open to or contemplating it please do reach out i'd love

03:21:45.660 to talk to you about that if not enjoy the program i'm glad that you're here i want everybody to know

03:21:50.620 that too um so we try i've tried to get better at working the algorithms on stuff our twitter

03:22:01.340 reach has gotten bigger than it was which is cool we've got a good following on here

03:22:08.060 if everyone who followed us on twitter it's at like 5 500 right now that's amazing if all

03:22:13.980 those people would join the afa we would be so much stronger and so much closer to what

03:22:18.380 we want to achieve but hopefully they will over time but i want everybody to know

03:22:26.060 have friends family anybody who's interested come on here you don't have to be also true

03:22:31.020 to be in the audience of the program or to ask questions um in life we send out ripples

03:22:39.020 with our co-workers with our family with our friends um there may be a lot of people that

03:22:46.140 don't want to join or whatever that may have friends that do or may have uh people who their

03:22:53.020 life touches that should be here so absolutely anybody that wants to be on here and ask questions

03:23:01.180 or just you know participate in what we're doing please feel really free to and uh share this and

03:23:10.140 And, you know, sometimes we get people on here who are members of the AFA that are really defensive of me and of us, and I love them and I appreciate that so much.

03:23:22.560 But so you know where I'm coming from, even if you are adamantly opposed to stuff or you don't like things or you're, you know, the enemy in some way.

03:23:35.420 If you're on here and you ask a question and it's respectful and honest, I'm happy to answer your question.

03:23:42.500 Truth is really important.

03:23:44.900 Being transparent and having an open conversation about this stuff is very important.

03:23:50.600 And, yeah, we're happy to do that.

03:23:52.720 As long as everybody's being respectful, people are welcome to consume this and kind of do what they like with it.

03:24:00.340 So do keep that in mind.

03:24:04.840 Sorry. So this is any of you who are super duper long time listeners to this that were listening when I was doing a live thing once a month.

03:24:18.220 Used to be before I had producer Nick and before I had a fancy set up with all this and it was just me trying to figure it out.

03:24:24.800 There was all this dead air while I'm sitting there trying to read the side comments.

03:24:28.940 I say that to say, forgive me if every now and again there's a little bit, because I do try to catch up over on the side and see where we're at.

03:24:36.440 But if you ever wonder why there's awkward pauses, that's why.

03:24:41.640 Does the AFA have a policy concerning cannabis use?

03:24:45.340 I've tried edibles, and that was a mistake.

03:24:49.820 No, the AFA has a policy of, the AFA advocates that you keep it legal.

03:24:55.760 whatever you're doing if it's legal where you're doing it and so i'm not excusing

03:25:02.240 other behavior i'm saying as far as recreational consumption of substances

03:25:10.480 we don't our policy with all of the things

03:25:14.000 is to be responsible and be noble in what you do and if your consumption of substances makes you

03:25:19.840 a burden upon your family your friends your community or lead you to destructive lifestyle

03:25:32.260 then don't do that if you can master the load and you use substances that

03:25:39.860 are medicinal to you or help you experience things differently and that it's legal where

03:25:48.480 you're doing it then that's you know betwixt you and your conscience and the gods um but in all

03:25:57.040 things what's really important is your ability to be a master of self there's times where you

03:26:06.320 let go around your friends and people who are close to you and i get that but there's levels

03:26:13.120 to that i think we all know you know some people can handle a variety of things that they do be it

03:26:21.040 alcohol be it marijuana be it you know anything else that are negative and have a negative effect

03:26:30.640 on themselves their family and their standing amongst their peers who judge them be aware of

03:26:36.560 that and act accordingly part of the part of the obligation of being an aryan which means being

03:26:45.680 noble is having the ability to make choices for yourself in your life and and to celebrate the

03:26:54.800 success of those choices or to suffer from the ill effects of those choices and as a man we

03:27:03.520 We have a heightened responsibility of inflicting those choices upon our families.

03:27:10.360 Make sure that the choices that you make are, you know, are a positive and not a negative.

03:27:17.060 And I think that's the most the AFA really advises on that. 0.99

03:27:22.940 Don't be one of those jerks that tries to blow pot smoke in kids' faces or in, like, your dog or your cat's face. 0.99

03:27:29.620 that's nonsense and someone should punch you if you do that um but again if it is if it is 1.00

03:27:39.300 legally inadvisable to punch someone who does that in your in your jurisdiction refrain 0.96

03:27:50.900 that is your your psa to keep it between the lines um

03:27:55.700 um question for spawn apologies if i and we've got a couple of new people or people in here who don't

03:28:03.100 ask questions before that's awesome and we love seeing that uh apologies if i've asked you this

03:28:08.180 before what would your take on the trinity zero equals one equals infinity what does your mind

03:28:17.200 do when you see that equation uh zero equals one equals infinity in relation to the tripartite or

03:28:30.640 the trinity or when you see that equation spawn uh well immediately it to me it speaks of the

03:28:40.800 um the functionality of lord odin um you can see in our lore that the the value of zero is

03:28:48.720 unquantifiable so lord odin is um is a tripartite within himself or a trinity within himself and um

03:28:59.280 that formulation in the individual which is one lord odin um gives him access to the dynamic to

03:29:07.760 to the infinity to the kind of like

03:29:12.660 makes barriers limitless,

03:29:14.700 but the value of zero is unquantifiable.

03:29:17.520 So it's almost like the condensing of infinity

03:29:21.640 into infinity through singularity.

03:29:27.560 I thought about this a lot in the idea,

03:29:30.740 that's the only thing I'm thinking about with the equation.

03:29:33.580 I'm not really good at math.

03:29:35.180 if you're looking for a mathematical answer.

03:29:38.900 But to me, zero represents

03:29:44.880 undefined but limitless value, potential value.

03:29:50.340 And one, of course, just is the formulation of.

03:29:56.720 And so having potential or unlimited potential in form

03:30:01.720 in form being condensed into singularity gives the ability for the dynamic lord othen to move

03:30:09.480 through uh thresholds to gain um value of answer

03:30:19.320 uh wherever he goes that's kind of like what makes him dynamic versus a catalystic form with

03:30:25.880 the striker reverse the stasis form of lord tier um it's that zero the and uh

03:30:35.160 i i think that the singularity of one is formed when lord othen hung himself on yggdrasil

03:30:42.600 so there's like a convergence point between that which flows into the one and that which

03:30:47.880 becomes infinite once he placed himself on yggdrasil he um began to equate

03:30:55.880 to all possibilities.

03:31:00.080 One is the loneliest number.

03:31:03.600 I hope that answers the question

03:31:06.280 because that's tough.

03:31:07.220 I don't know if there's supposed to be

03:31:08.960 a mathematical answer to that.

03:31:10.780 But two could be as bad as one.

03:31:13.800 So the song says.

03:31:17.780 I'm glad that question was directed to you, Svon,

03:31:20.540 and not to me.

03:31:21.900 Yeah, I'm really wondering

03:31:23.560 if I hit the mark or not.

03:31:25.880 It's you.

03:31:27.260 He pulled out the razzle-dazzle, and we appreciate that.

03:31:31.860 So I want to – there's stuff happening in the chat room, which is cool.

03:31:38.100 I want to mention two people first.

03:31:44.480 So I threw out casually.

03:31:47.060 Man, if every member of the AFA were to donate $102 right now, we'd have the hall.

03:31:51.760 We'd have New York's hall done and be moving on to Freyshaw.

03:31:55.120 which is true in response um bill sap donated 105 in york's off fund as did our very own producer

03:32:05.840 nick rice who we love and appreciate so much so thank you gentlemen very much both of you thank

03:32:11.360 you guys much much appreciated i can't be all done i gotta do this i just i need to stay

03:32:20.160 ain't nobody gonna stop you i mean katherine might stop i'm not gonna stop you uh maybe other people

03:32:26.720 in your house hey it's late there they may be in bed you can do what you want well and i donate

03:32:32.240 plasma so like getting that money and accruing it to just give it over i think would be an easy way

03:32:37.600 to kind of like now i can count myself on the other side of the line something to know

03:32:42.640 donating plasma is lucrative but it's tricky if you are not um hydrated i was doing i went

03:32:53.200 through quite a bit of plasma donation to get the initial money set up to get the down payment on

03:33:00.480 york's off and one of the cool things about that is he was known as the blood priest in the uh

03:33:07.600 guest of Denorum, I think. But so I thought that was a cool thing when we were making the drive

03:33:15.140 to initially get the down payment for Neurotopf. But I kept coming in and I wasn't like meeting

03:33:21.280 their metric for hydration. So that's tricky, but donating plasma can, there's money in that.

03:33:28.480 Anyways, I see over on the side and I get to this before a couple of questions. We do have

03:33:32.920 questions here um which hoff region would be representing the area of southern ontario that

03:33:40.440 would be thorshoff and it will be eventually in what will become phrasehoff but right now that

03:33:48.520 is in the thorshoff what internally we would consider the thorshoff north district

03:33:57.560 and nick answered that on the side but anybody else who was curious that's where

03:34:01.400 a big population center is for our Canadian brothers and sisters, so I figured we wouldn't

03:34:07.780 mention that. From Morris Taylor again, I appreciate your questions tonight. Is there

03:34:19.360 an advantage to moving to Europe? It seems the only quote-unquote realistic embodiment

03:34:25.220 of Alcetru is right here in the USA with the AFA. Yes. Yes to the second part. No, there's not an

03:34:36.880 advantage to going to Europe. Svan may have something different, but I'm going to throw this

03:34:40.740 out here. It all depends on what you're talking about. As far as your ability to participate

03:34:52.660 in active and thriving Alcetru?

03:34:56.860 No, there's not an advantage in going to Europe.

03:35:01.380 We're the ones doing it.

03:35:03.480 Our European brothers and sisters are not,

03:35:05.700 or they're doing it at a very, very slow glacial progression.

03:35:14.500 But we have members in Europe.

03:35:16.640 We've got members in 14 countries, last I checked.

03:35:22.660 um we got members in the united kingdom we have members in italy

03:35:28.900 we have members in russia we have members in denmark norway sweden

03:35:37.780 i'm floating around here all silly when i have a map that tells me we've got a member in

03:35:45.380 We have a member in Germany as well, and we have a member in Finland, and we have a member in Ukraine.

03:35:56.300 Counts as Italy, but we have a Maltese member as well.

03:36:00.640 So do what you need to do.

03:36:08.620 There's a lot of cool things about moving to Europe, depending on what that means.

03:36:12.320 Europe's a big place.

03:36:13.440 there's a lot of

03:36:16.040 okay compared to the united states it's not a big place but it's a very

03:36:23.240 a lot of different things going on there i think there's a lot of opportunity in southern europe

03:36:29.180 and in eastern europe for a lot of things i think we see a lot of negative things in western europe

03:36:37.260 lately, but there's amazing history throughout Europe that's fantastic. And if you're dedicated

03:36:45.860 to the gods and you want to go to Europe, go there and go hard. Bring this there. Go over there and

03:36:53.140 folk build for us and let's make something happen. We've got a folk builder in northern Sweden right

03:36:59.880 now an amazing gentleman um eric lugnett and he wants to do good things over there we've got some 0.61

03:37:07.880 great members in europe it's a harder row to hoe over there if that's what you want to do but if

03:37:16.280 you want to go over there and build what we're doing we would love to you know work with you 0.80

03:37:20.600 and make them making that happen if your goal is you're sitting somewhere in the united states you

03:37:25.480 want to make house true happen got a lot of good options for you not united states is a place

03:37:31.560 happening we have seen really beautiful things in the modern reforging of alsatru most of that

03:37:42.120 that's taken hold and been successful has been in the united states um but there's been you know

03:37:49.320 early on tremendous efforts made in england in iceland in australia

03:38:00.280 we've got good people in denmark and sweden like i said there's options but if you're looking where

03:38:07.000 the most and best also true opportunity is right now it's in brownsville california it's in linden

03:38:14.600 north carolina it's in murdoch minnesota it's in white springs florida it's in whitleyville

03:38:21.240 tennessee that's where else true is happening the most vibrant right now but uh yeah there's that

03:38:30.840 swan as as one born in europa what what say you um yeah the advantage is historical um you know if

03:38:43.240 you're if you can manage to get like just a couple of folks together to hold stuff in in iceland

03:38:51.320 at your you know back door is runic museums you can go to gulafoss you can you know go to helen

03:39:00.600 gefell and to the where they all think uh was held uh in sweden you know you can go to bronze

03:39:07.240 age you can go to iron age and and the norse the later viking age um sites i mean you have

03:39:14.280 all of these places you can go um but the big thing is is that you don't really have to just

03:39:20.600 focus on that they're in your backyard and i think it would be great for members in europe

03:39:25.800 to get together and share that and bring it over because i think there is a great adoration that

03:39:33.080 uh the anglo sphere canada and the u.s have towards that that history that they don't have

03:39:39.720 in their backyard but at the same time with that that lack of you know history in the soil around

03:39:47.640 us we have compensated with vigor and um with gumption here in on the other side of the water

03:39:56.040 and so you know it's something as simple as two to three people getting together and and holding a

03:40:00.920 bloat uh or meeting and doing like a you know a hike moot there's just so much more going on over

03:40:08.200 here and i think that the biggest problem in europe is either there's two things it's governmental

03:40:14.680 um i just saw hama hama always talk about how um certain symbols are are um outlawed in in germany

03:40:24.520 or like the you know the backlash of things that came from england when like four guys were trying

03:40:30.200 hold a moot um so the big thing is is to not try to focus so much on on on that it's to start small

03:40:40.440 but start with gusto find three or four like-minded folks friends go to places

03:40:48.120 hold the bloat take pictures send it over we will place it everywhere because again we have that love

03:40:54.760 for the history in your backyard um that you you have in europe that's that advantage and then you

03:41:00.600 know you start bringing that gumption like we do over here um yeah you're instantly i think it does

03:41:07.480 it will have a sweeter tinge um and and um you know i think in europe a lot of folks over there

03:41:15.320 that try to think that we're somehow cosplaying their unique norwegian or swedish or um they're

03:41:23.320 you know those guys aren't vikings they they totally fall flat and understanding the pan

03:41:29.400 european the pan germanic um of our of our religion um but yeah if you're over there and

03:41:36.680 you can incorporate history while also just getting out and doing stuff you are going to

03:41:41.240 become a hit amongst the afa we're going to uh very much um support you and get you to try to do

03:41:49.560 more um it is about lighting those fires and getting your people home um it is about getting 0.97

03:41:56.360 together and honoring the gods and you know maybe too if you're if you're bringing too much of the

03:42:01.480 political into it maybe you need to leave that and and really focus on the spiritual essence of what

03:42:06.760 we're doing the point of this is to bring our people's souls home and just celebrate the history

03:42:13.000 that you have in your backyard if you're living in europe um you know i i think that people

03:42:20.520 feel that we're doing something nefarious you're not doing anything nefarious

03:42:24.120 you're expressing the true soul of your people you're allowed to do that you're not you know

03:42:29.880 focus on the positive like we've said before on what you can build on how you can build those

03:42:35.240 relationships and how you can incorporate a lot of that stuff in your own backyard

03:42:39.960 to show and to encourage people to do it as well um and i think that would make yeah it would it

03:42:46.520 would i think it would that's the advantage it would skyrocket you uh over here in the in the

03:42:51.960 states i think we would very much like to uh we just feel that kind of joy when our our fellow

03:42:58.760 folks over in in europe um start getting stuff done yeah there's any place you find yourself

03:43:09.240 is a good place to be also true there's a lot of opportunity in front of you it's much easier

03:43:14.520 row to hoe and a lot more going on currently here in the united states but you can be that change

03:43:21.400 and make it happen wherever you find yourself we have a gentleman over in the chat room joining us

03:43:27.400 from norway welcome appreciate you glad that you're here um okay got another question just popped up

03:43:38.840 i was going to wrap up but no we've got one more force fun third and final question about trinities

03:43:46.840 haha we have another one coming too what is your take on the trinity creation

03:43:56.520 sustentation destruction thank you

03:44:02.600 okay i love it i love talking about the tripartite yes you do

03:44:06.360 quite often so whoever is uh nice bell thank you so much for your people drinking right now yeah

03:44:16.360 this is um so the biggest thing is is the difference between the trinity i would say

03:44:24.200 the trinity is or i often say the tripartite within the tripartite when we talk about

03:44:29.960 consciousness um and the lord of consciousness who is lord othen but when you talk about something

03:44:34.840 like this where we talk about creation and sustaining and destruction now we move into

03:44:40.520 the greater tripartite and we would be uh speaking really of dynamicism catalyst and and uh or sorry

03:44:51.480 correction in the order that you put it dynamicism uh stasis and catalyst so uh when we speak of

03:45:02.120 creation we talk about dynamicism the ability for he who is of infinite possibilities lord ovin

03:45:09.000 who brings together by by pulling from all realms and all things in order to to create um when we

03:45:17.560 talk about sustaining though we talk about stasis and again these are thrones the gods can move in

03:45:23.960 and out of these thrones lord ovin can be a sustainer just as much as he can be a catalyst

03:45:29.240 just as much as he is the lord of dynamicism it just kind of reflects more in our culture

03:45:34.840 as to which one might be more important um you see within amongst the slavs that sustaining

03:45:41.800 is more important so therefore svaurag is kind of in the top of their tripartite

03:45:47.720 um and it might be different amongst the celts or the gauls with with tyrannis and teratatus and

03:45:53.880 esus so these these thrones uh where our holy gods take place um can change but it's it you can see

03:46:02.120 them in the pan arian and the pan germanic they're always there so lord ovin the creator um and i

03:46:09.720 would say you know the sustainer the one who keeps the axis the the lord that is the north star uh

03:46:16.120 that maintains his the focal point that keeps the the centering of um the gods and earth from being

03:46:23.480 ripped asunder by chaos is lord tier um and then the the catalyst the one who destroys barriers

03:46:30.680 um is lord thor or thunor and we see this in the in the weeks with uh tuesday wednesday thursday

03:46:39.160 we see this in upsala when they say you know with the furious one and with the thunder and with um

03:46:46.440 the fruitful one the tripartite is like their thrones that our holy gods kind of

03:46:51.480 we we see them flowing on our cultural needs so i do believe that all three of those things are

03:47:00.980 always present in every area in religion and um our holy gods um fulfill those positions and i

03:47:08.500 think specifically in the germanic that um the sustaining is is the vigilance of of lord tier

03:47:16.180 the catalysmic or striking or breaking of barriers the destruction is um lord thor and the creation

03:47:23.620 is uh lord odin but that's just my take on it and again i i um i think that it's fluid and i don't

03:47:32.120 think that the gods are bound by these they're just we we see them this way in many cases um and

03:47:38.760 perhaps they can they can move or we call upon them in different ways i hope that helps or answers

03:47:45.980 the question all right final question of the night is it possible that another difficulty of growing

03:47:53.180 in europe is that americans are a blend of many european uh nations but they are still separate

03:48:00.940 across the pond no not really icelanders are norwegians they will pretend that the biggest

03:48:13.660 problem and i really mean this problem is europeans the problem is the people that we run into from

03:48:21.500 europe are super arrogant about their birthright to stuff because they've got old stones in their

03:48:30.460 backyard how come those stones haven't been tended to in a thousand years yeah they may

03:48:40.860 have stuff and they have a lot of really amazing historical things but they often take those things

03:48:48.940 for granted and don't build upon them and do things um in europe and we've got this isn't a

03:48:57.340 blanket statement about everyone in europe but it's something that's this common thing

03:49:02.460 in modern australia when it comes to europeans is this arrogance that because they exist where

03:49:10.860 Ancestors once practiced our faith that they somehow have a entitlement to it that they don't need to continuously work for.

03:49:22.160 And they have a, ah, well, we'll wait and things will come in their time and we'll just sit and wait until things happen.

03:49:30.640 No, we're out here making things happen.

03:49:33.420 We would love our European brothers and sisters to help us make things happen. 0.97

03:49:37.320 But they move at a glacial pace based on an arrogance of them happening to reside over the top of the ruins of ancient Housatru. 0.96

03:49:51.640 And that's been something that's held us back.

03:49:58.820 Anyone who's honest knows that the worship of our gods goes back to the commonality of our race.

03:50:05.800 you can trace the migration of our people you can trace where we were where we came to spawn mentioned

03:50:13.000 you know icelanders aren't didn't spring forth from the volcanoes of iceland they're norwegians

03:50:21.000 or maybe some irish slaves or uh or monks that that in you know some celtic slaves that that

03:50:29.880 wound up in iceland um but you know norwegians and swedes and danes are germans that migrated

03:50:40.440 from the steppe into germany and then up into into scandinavia you know englishmen are a mix of of

03:50:47.480 celts and of of anglo-saxons that moved from the continent to britain um we we know the migration

03:50:55.080 of our people and that we come back to a similar route and i understand it taking different form

03:51:00.120 and different shape where you have a predominant culture somewhere else um i know the biggest thing 0.98

03:51:06.840 that has held us back in europe is european people being very slow to action and very

03:51:16.840 appalled that americans would tell them how to do something that's you know their ancestral birth

03:51:23.000 right we are exactly as many generations removed from the active practice of alsatru as our european

03:51:32.840 brothers are we can go back exactly the same number of years since our ancestors are the same

03:51:43.240 who practiced alsatru and by that same token our ancestors are the same who forsook our gods

03:51:51.480 and who abandoned their trove of the ic we are exactly as far removed generationally

03:51:59.000 the fact that our ancestors went forth and conquered and explored and settled different lands

03:52:05.560 and theirs stayed in that area

03:52:12.360 i don't think is a great consequence in the scheme of things and it shouldn't be a barrier to the

03:52:19.080 growth of our faith in those places now some places in europe the um progressive agenda that

03:52:27.400 has removed or in some cases criminalized traditional values is problematic and that's real

03:52:37.000 but there's other portions of europe where that doesn't hold a great effect that we have tremendous

03:52:42.680 potentially. Just take somebody with courage to go out and do, and that's hard to find wherever

03:52:51.580 you are. But we would love to see more of that with our European brothers and sisters. As I said,

03:52:57.520 we have some great ones over there doing the best they can where they're at. They need company.

03:53:03.220 If you are in Europe, you should join. We would love to have you. We would love to help you be

03:53:08.260 successful and grow in your area. But that's what we have this evening. Thank you so much for joining

03:53:15.240 us, for your amazing questions, for your enthusiastic participation, for even just sitting

03:53:20.760 there and listening to us talk all night. We appreciate you guys. I look forward to this every

03:53:25.720 week. Yeah, it's a pleasure to get to speak with you guys and to speak with one of my very best

03:53:33.680 friends, Witt and Svahn.

03:53:35.840 And Nick, even though he's silent,

03:53:37.660 he's listening to all the stuff, and we

03:53:39.500 appreciate the work that he puts in.

03:53:41.600 It is true.

03:53:43.320 He's always there. He's always listening.

03:53:47.180 Yeah,

03:53:47.760 thank you, guys. Look forward

03:53:49.600 to talking to you guys next week,

03:53:51.540 and Svahn and I will be back

03:53:53.380 the following week.

03:53:57.080 I didn't look ahead, so

03:53:59.220 I'm thinking it's the Veloospa

03:54:01.360 The little Voluspa.

03:54:05.920 The wee Voluspa. 0.55

03:54:07.200 Yeah, Voluspa Skama.

03:54:09.640 Voluspa and Skama.

03:54:11.160 The one that was in the middle of this poem when it was written down.

03:54:15.900 So we will be back with that in two weeks.

03:54:20.120 I will see you guys next week.

03:54:22.400 Hopefully, I will see you guys also at the end of next week at Feast of the Iron Her Yard in South Dakota.

03:54:29.680 If you can make it, we would love to see you there.

03:54:31.360 But until next week when I see you guys

03:54:34.880 Hail the Iseer

03:54:37.060 Hail the folk

03:54:38.320 Hail the AFA

03:54:39.720 Remember, victory never sleeps

03:54:42.900 Bless

03:54:45.960 See you next time.

03:55:15.960 We'll be right back.

03:55:45.960 We'll be right back.

03:56:15.960 We'll be right back.

03:56:45.960 We'll be right back.

03:57:15.960 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - October 31, 2024

10⧸30⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 121 - Hyndluljóð

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