Asatru Folk Assembly - 10⧸4⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 65 - ᛋᛏᛒ

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00:03:30.000 Good evening, everyone. Welcome to another Victory Never Sleeps. We are trying some

00:03:37.960 new stuff here tonight, so it's going to be a little wild. I'm trying to figure things

00:03:41.880 out. We are set tonight to go over three runes, but normally I, you know, stand to the side

00:03:54.600 while Acero Gote gives the good and well-founded introductions.

00:04:02.760 So we are going to try to see if we can't get that brought back up.

00:04:07.480 So that way we can, you know, work some things out.

00:04:13.640 You'll have to stand by with us for a minute.

00:04:15.660 as uh many of you know we're we are covering so willow tiwaz and uh burkano the um

00:04:33.420 the first two runes of the third et and the final rune of the second et or etter and we

00:04:40.140 We will finally leave the second eth, but this is a really interesting time because I'm going to try to reemphasize a little bit on some of the concepts that we were covering earlier in the series about motion, about the divine connections of epochs, whether it's mythical time and mythical story,

00:05:06.080 or if it's, well, speculation is the idea is that it might be actual epochs of time.

00:05:12.320 And I'll go into a little bit of that with my former runemaster that taught me

00:05:18.160 about his beliefs about where we were in the epochs of time.

00:05:24.960 And try to cover a little bit more about history, especially the origin of the rune.

00:05:29.580 He was asking about the runic origins and things like that.

00:05:34.400 So I should be covering that fair enough or soon enough.

00:05:41.660 All right, guys, I'm sorry about that.

00:05:43.580 I got a brand new camera as of as of yesterday that we got set up here and it does cool stuff like follow me over here or follow me over here.

00:05:59.140 But one thing that I also know is when I close certain programs, it shuts down my camera.

00:06:04.400 unbeknownst to me. So that's fine. We've got to work out some kinks. I appreciate you covering

00:06:09.220 there for a few minutes, Swan. We'll get back into this. Oh, also, I should note that our

00:06:15.700 wardrobe was not coordinated. It was a weird synchronicity that bodes well for this evening's

00:06:21.560 broadcast. That said, this is the first time I'm getting to talk to you guys like this in the

00:06:28.860 month of October, and I figured I'd give you all some updates. Appreciate you guys' generosity.

00:06:35.580 You guys are pretty spectacular. I want to go over a couple of things just so folks know where

00:06:43.840 we are at, and I'm going to hope things are all working to get some graphics up here. I was going

00:06:51.760 to tell you a little bit about New York's Hoff and how our payoff of that is going, which as you

00:06:57.240 guys may or may not know is our first step towards getting Frayshoff. So we are looking at

00:07:11.420 $103,790.86 still owed on Yortoff. It's a lot of money, but it's way less money than we started

00:07:28.320 out. And that's a real significant accomplishment. We got in Yortoff in August of last year,

00:07:39.240 And we started out owing $245,000.

00:07:43.360 That's the most expensive off that we've acquired so far.

00:07:48.560 And here a year and two months later, we're already, you know, I could run the math.

00:07:53.320 But if you look at the thing, we're already, you know, well over, well in the 60s, 60 some percent paid off.

00:08:01.420 I appreciate you guys.

00:08:02.740 This is, you know, I think close to $3,000 better than it was this time last month.

00:08:09.520 So we are making progress and we couldn't do it without you guys' help.

00:08:12.760 Other thing I'd like to touch on is Sigurheim.

00:08:17.240 Also a big chunk, but a really important project that has been generations in the making.

00:08:25.780 Again, you guys have been super helpful.

00:08:27.580 we owe quite a bit, but we owe I think a couple of thousand less than we owed this time

00:08:34.040 last month. So we still owe $210,316.94 on Cigarhunt. That's a big chunk, but not when

00:08:47.500 you consider that we've got two of these that we're trying to accomplish. So you guys have

00:08:52.300 amazing thank you so much that's where we stand on that now coming up next at the end of this month

00:09:03.020 the very last weekend of this month we're going to have winter nights at siggerheim as of this

00:09:09.420 moment we've got every member of the afa witten planning on attending that event it's going to

00:09:14.220 be really special you can see what all the fuss is about about siggerheim it is a amazing place

00:09:21.100 and i want so badly to show it all off to you guys and to share it with you guys so if you

00:09:27.020 can make it that's in jackson county tennessee we would love to see you guys there please reach out

00:09:33.020 to your local folk builder if that's something that you are interested in um winter nights at

00:09:39.980 siggerheim and coming up next month in november we have feast of the einherjar in south dakota

00:09:49.020 Again, another amazing event. It's an event I'm going to be at. I believe Steve and Sheila

00:09:56.680 McNallan are going to be at that as well. And we would love to see you guys there. If you're

00:10:02.180 interested and able to do it, please reach out to your folk builder and they can get you all set up.

00:10:10.120 Next thing I think I probably should say is all the different

00:10:14.240 little bells and whistles we've got going on this week.

00:10:20.640 Some of our amazing tech people have watched Victory Never Sleeps and wanted to help out and

00:10:27.040 get this the best it can possibly be in an effort to do so. They've got some fun little ways to

00:10:32.780 donate that are different and on some different platforms that work better. Don't know exactly

00:10:39.540 what the kids are calling them these days but the links to them are in the description of this video

00:10:45.300 and it's got some fun little i don't know little interaction on the screen that goes along with that

00:10:51.860 so that's excited i encourage you guys to participate that in that if you'd like to

00:10:56.820 um but all of the other options are still available uh over on entropy over on rumble if

00:11:05.060 that's something that you'd like to do or if you just want to throw questions in over on youtube

00:11:08.980 that's fine as well um but yeah we're excited want some feedback on how you guys think this

00:11:14.580 is going what you like what what maybe you wish were different and we can try to adjust accordingly

00:11:20.580 but i'm pretty excited it's a fun little thing for us to do on this um so svaan you were getting us

00:11:28.500 started on our room discussion this week you want to go ahead and pick up where you left off and

00:11:35.300 And then tell the folks about the victory rune of Sawilo.

00:11:41.460 Absolutely.

00:11:42.820 Yeah, we were kind of covering, you know, the idea that first there was the origin of the runes.

00:11:51.900 And the reason why I'm bringing this back up is because the significance of, I would say, the ancientness of this rune is what really kind of inspired me to make sure that we, you know, reemphasize again the origins of the runes.

00:12:08.740 The origins of the runes are not known.

00:12:13.020 they're not it's there's a lot of speculation and you might find some people um maybe outside

00:12:18.860 of our faith that you know clearly will say oh no these are just lone you know lone images and icons

00:12:26.300 from um from the etruscans from the romans or or perhaps even the greeks um however i mean we do

00:12:35.180 you know we the significance of understanding that these symbols go back even just all the

00:12:41.900 way back into the bronze age that we have found stone cards we have found um evidence of these

00:12:48.060 markings but not necessarily in a specific order but we the biggest one that we find repeatedly

00:12:55.580 is of course this rune so willow so willow is the sun rune and it is found all the way back to the

00:13:03.980 bronze age in various forms whether and uh whether we're talking about um like much like the the sun

00:13:11.020 and rod behind my head the uh the the sun wheel um form or sometimes it's broken apart and it's

00:13:18.140 in singular form sometimes it has uh maybe one bend or two bends or three bends even and um so

00:13:26.780 i really wanted to kind of bring that up is that it's worth knowing we talked a lot about tacitus

00:13:34.140 and we talked about his or tacitus and his um his uh accounts of the divination um ceremonies the

00:13:40.780 german the germanic tribes um but it's it's also worth noting like further back herodotus even

00:13:49.500 made mention of the scythians uh casting lots of stabs or tines now he doesn't specifically mention

00:13:58.300 um symbols or sigils or what have you but i mean the the the clear comparison between the two and

00:14:05.180 and a vast amounts of time between them um it's worth noting that the the practice of runic

00:14:11.340 divination um is not a new phenomenon it's not something new age uh there are people that can

00:14:19.420 argue it they could argue that the stabs and the symbols themselves were not on those uh tines

00:14:26.940 because it doesn't specifically say that they were but you know if you if you're following the

00:14:33.020 linkage that the tissue between them i don't think is non-existent it's just there are you know uh

00:14:40.460 very very thin gaps um between them and it really is evident with this room so this is this is the

00:14:48.940 the reconstructed name of this room is soul wheelo and it will have you know soul and saul

00:14:57.580 or sigil um are the older names and from those names plus with the goth gothic or

00:15:05.180 gutenish uh reconstructions we get so willow i have seen some people mention it with a v sound

00:15:11.580 solvilo um and i don't know if that has a lot of validity because of the w and v sound

00:15:19.660 the v sound didn't really show up in w's in germanic language till later so it was most

00:15:25.180 likely a w sound um and we'll you know we covered that with with wunyo the the rune is a is a w

00:15:33.660 sound first and a secondary sound v because of that adaptation but so willow is the sun rune and

00:15:40.220 This rune is, as much as Hagalaz is seen as a rune of perhaps obstacle or difficultness,

00:15:57.060 this rune is quite the opposite. There's an overwhelming sense of recovery, victory, joy.

00:16:07.080 there's a lot of different emotions uh tied in with soul willow uh soul willow is a harbinger

00:16:15.560 of truth it's a it's a shining of the light on on the uh the shadows of things the melter of ice

00:16:21.900 and um the bane against that which is hidden so so willow uh when we're talking about

00:16:28.900 divin divinatorily it's it's seen at or i guess in in divination perhaps that's not the right word

00:16:36.040 But in divination, it's often seen as the end result of cumulative deeds and actions coming to absolute fruition. It's the best possible outcome. It is clearly a positive.

00:16:53.200 But in a, if we were talking in a, in more a projected sense, so willow is definitely the rune of victory.

00:17:01.860 This is kind of brought about simply because of the word sigur.

00:17:06.460 Sigur is victory in Old Norse, and it still transfers over even into the Anglo-Frygian.

00:17:14.140 And that, that clearly has one meaning, victory.

00:17:19.100 um in battle uh over obstacles uh even even conquering nature is about a victory it's it's

00:17:29.560 the idea of being able to not be at a detriment in any way shape or form um but this this combines

00:17:38.060 or it's like is linked with the concepts of truth exposing truth it's the rune of nobility it's a

00:17:46.940 it's a, um, it's truly a, a, a bright room. Um, the symbology of the, of the stab itself

00:17:55.980 confuses a lot of people because culturally now we associate that, that symbology with lightning.

00:18:04.040 Um, and, and perhaps this is a holdover with the idea of, uh, culturally we, we saw this

00:18:11.120 shape in relation to a flash of light or a glean of light. And so people who have never

00:18:21.820 messed around with the runes or just reading books, they were like, oh, the lightning rune.

00:18:26.980 I've heard that quite a lot. Even my children say that now and then. And it's kind of true,

00:18:31.520 but the emphasis of the symbology is that it's culturally connected to the flash or the glint

00:18:38.340 of light and this is all throughout our lore whether we're talking about like balder's home

00:18:44.440 uh you know it's the it's the bright but shining flash um or you know if we're talking about lord

00:18:52.900 frere and uh his his um uh shield man or his thane uh skirner skirner means like a flash of light or

00:19:02.680 glint of light, um, or a ray. And, um, so this rune has a lot of connotations simply to

00:19:09.800 the element of light. And when we talk about cosmology, cosmology is so important in our faith

00:19:17.440 that we, you know, we realize that our ancestors saw the gods in the upper world. And we saw us

00:19:24.540 in the middle world and saw things that fell away from time as not being dead or decomposed or gone

00:19:30.860 completely, but in a state of slow transition or a receptacle of knowledge. So when we think about

00:19:41.080 light, we think about the divine light, we think about the heavenly and upper world. You know,

00:19:46.220 when Christians utilize a lot of these symbolic meanings, a lot of these do come from European

00:19:54.100 concepts of heavenly light and, and things of this nature, because there's even mentioned in

00:20:01.400 the Bible where, um, you know, that, that Yahweh is seen as kind of a middle earth or middling God.

00:20:07.400 Um, you know, as far as, um, even when like the plagues of Egypt, um, you know, says he raises

00:20:14.280 his hand and blots out the sun and that's showing like, again, this kind of sense of

00:20:19.140 being of the, of the middle. Um, and it's, so it's super important for us to reclaim that

00:20:24.980 understanding, to understand that the, the word heaven is not a, a Christian word. It's an Anglo

00:20:31.820 Saxon Germanic word. And from heaven comes that light. The, the, just below heaven is the Leo

00:20:38.980 Salvar, the, the, the scanning light between heaven and earth is dominated by these, these

00:20:45.100 beings that adjudicate warmth, light, growth, and victory and happiness. So this rune really

00:20:55.200 reemphasizes that. And you can see that a lot in Bronze Age art from the Germanic folk or just even

00:21:01.480 in broad, the Aryan people that had moved into Europe, whether it's the solar disc on a chariot

00:21:09.620 or whether it's the solar disk inside a boat.

00:21:13.920 And you can kind of see these things.

00:21:15.960 The chariot has a lot more significance, I think, to land-bound ancestors.

00:21:20.060 And the boat became more prominent because of traveling through the Baltic Sea

00:21:24.740 and over the Aegean and in the Black Sea,

00:21:27.600 even long farther back than people even realize,

00:21:32.140 way further than the Viking Age.

00:21:35.140 So this rune is one of the archaic runes that really holds, um, ancient and primordial connection. When, when people see this rune there, it's, it's magnetizing. It's, it's, um, it's very, very, um, dynamic. And, uh, so that's why we utilize it.

00:21:56.220 It's been utilized, you know, sometimes in a circle, obviously with four arms, sometimes with, you know, as many as eight or 12.

00:22:04.760 And these are not like new inventions.

00:22:06.800 A lot of people try to say that this is, again, just totally hearkening that this is some sort of 1930s national socialist thing.

00:22:15.780 No, they were using stuff from the medieval times.

00:22:18.440 And the medieval times were used, you know, like medieval ages, herald marks and things of Germany.

00:22:23.060 they were using this stuff from even further back. And so, you know, there's tons of rune

00:22:29.660 stones in England and Denmark and farther north. You know, it's to my knowledge, like right now,

00:22:38.260 I can't even think of if there was any stones that were found in Germany. But I do know that

00:22:47.120 a lot of the medieval resurrection of the runes did come about in heraldric marks and in church

00:22:52.980 marks they were uh utilized in in a lot of in structures and this rune in particular so willow

00:23:00.580 but you'll you'll find this rune in the kelver stone which we talked about at length um two

00:23:07.540 weeks ago it has two bends in it uh sometimes people will say it looks more like a lightning

00:23:13.300 bolt it's got um you know uh i guess it would look almost like a very widened zigzag um whereas

00:23:24.760 over time it started to manifest into different forms the all of the forms have been seen since

00:23:31.840 the bronze age it's just that the the practice of carving it and using it has been different

00:23:38.020 Sometimes it's been made more vertical, and that's because using track lines to keep organization during rune carvings on stone.

00:23:48.120 Sometimes it's a little bit more angular.

00:23:50.720 And, you know, again, this is one of those runes that almost anybody who has a slight interest in the runes immediately sees it.

00:23:58.760 A rune of enlightenment and the crown of light, the light from heaven, the light from the gods.

00:24:05.160 Some have even associated with the prismatic light that, you know, passes from Balder in Bivrost, the rainbow bridge or the fiery bridge.

00:24:17.200 But, yeah, there's nothing negative that can be said about this room.

00:24:21.420 So that's just my broad overview on it.

00:24:24.700 Well, so there's some more to say.

00:24:27.040 before I say my piece on it, I want to acknowledge some folks that have used some of our new little

00:24:33.380 fun donate bells and whistles and a guy that didn't, but that's super consistent every single

00:24:39.460 week donating. Ronald, thank you very much for your donation towards South Africa. We appreciate

00:24:46.420 it. I should have mentioned at the beginning of the broadcast, I did just do our quarterly payout

00:24:51.260 to the South African Family Relief Project.

00:24:56.520 So they're doing really good things,

00:24:58.540 and they're certainly very appreciative of the food and groceries

00:25:01.840 that we're able to help them get a hold of.

00:25:05.640 So that's much appreciated.

00:25:07.640 Also, Go-Fee Bodie Mayo bought us a coffee.

00:25:11.080 I appreciate that.

00:25:13.100 I don't know where to go to get my coffee,

00:25:15.160 but we'll figure that out on the back end.

00:25:18.440 Zach Phelps decided to donate $1 to us.

00:25:21.160 that says, hail the AFA. Actually, Bodie wanted to say all praise to Njortzhoff. And those folks

00:25:27.840 at Njortzhoff are doing an awesome job. They got a lot of cool things going on there. That's down

00:25:32.440 in White Springs, Florida. If you guys are close or want to go check it out, you should absolutely

00:25:37.120 do that. And then we got the victory horn got blown by Bjorn the blacksmith. Appreciate that.

00:25:45.760 um so wheelo is a one of my go-to runes when i've got a galder one so if you've never been

00:25:56.820 to one of my floats i like to start out rituals with galder if it's especially if it's a group

00:26:04.400 ritual because galdering the rune um figuratively harmonizes us metaphysically harmonizes us but

00:26:13.920 literally it harmonizes us us trying to go for the same intonement of the runic galler

00:26:19.920 calibrates us and harmonizes us in a really cool way so one of my big go-tos is um so we low uh

00:26:29.900 you guys may have picked up on victory being kind of a theme of mine that i like to push really hard

00:26:35.620 that's why the show's called victory never sleeps that's why it's called sigurheim and this rune is

00:26:41.420 It's by far one of my favorites and one of the ones I think was the most powerful to our ancestors.

00:26:47.320 Or it's one that we certainly see used in holy arts in a lot of ways.

00:26:53.780 I've seen that over in the chat, talked about that in the Philphote.

00:26:57.020 In any of the Sonnenrad imagery, this is kind of the conception of what solar light, rays of solar light are in this jagged Suilo formation.

00:27:11.420 But I want to correct something a little bit. So Swan says we don't know the origins of the runes. It's not true. Origins of the rune, they come from when the Allfather picked them up by hanging himself on a winds of the web tree for nine nights.

00:27:27.360 We know the origins of the runes. When scholars want to debate the origin of the stick figures that we use to depict the runes, that's a bit murkier.

00:27:42.040 But the Allfather giving man the runes isn't just something he decided to do in Viking times with chain mail and a nasal helm and a longship.

00:27:54.600 And you can see that he shared rune acknowledged with our folk very early and that this displayed. And I think you'll find most all of those instances of quote unquote letters that the runes are copied off of are from Aryan peoples that are as entitled to the gifts from the All-Fathers as anyone else.

00:28:16.300 So I think it's a little bit of a misnomer in that sense.

00:28:20.660 Well, you're busting my chops on that one.

00:28:24.600 no i'm trying to bust the well actually's chops well and it's it's worth i mean i was trying to

00:28:30.560 bring it up from i guess an outsider or scholastic perspective of how they they kind of relegate

00:28:36.360 where the where the the runes come from and i mean we have evidence clearly with heimdall

00:28:41.660 being mentioned as you know giving the runes to the to king um but also you know again with with

00:28:49.380 Odin uh being seen or passing through or traveling through the middle world at at in numerous stories

00:28:58.500 I think that a lot of people get caught up on the idea that um you know Heimdall or Odin and it can't

00:29:06.980 be Heimdall because Odin has to do everything but I I think that they both did it I think that they

00:29:12.760 had the I think it's been done numerous times in order to enliven because you can almost see kind

00:29:18.260 of like gaps, and then all of a sudden a reemergence again. And I think that shows that

00:29:23.840 the gods are intentionally rewatering the roots of the folk. And so, you know, it's mentioned,

00:29:30.920 of course, in Rigsthulab, but it's, you know, again, with Odin being amongst and teaching,

00:29:36.860 you know, the young, you know, children that he's kind of backed, or a child that he's backed,

00:29:45.920 you know, teaching secrets of these runes and things. And obviously, you know, there's nothing

00:29:50.440 in the Aedah's mentioning about Odin being connected to the kings of England's royalty,

00:29:55.580 but yet they clearly have that. It's showing that Odin, and I would say many of the gods have come

00:30:02.880 down and possibly, you know, reinvigorated that knowledge. That's the difference between the gods

00:30:09.080 being real and the gods being literary or mythic devices by primitive people to explain stuff if

00:30:17.800 that's the case then you got to pick one and you've got to have this real dumbed down narrative

00:30:24.520 that you have to force the gods into no we know our gods are real um just as odin and heimdall

00:30:32.760 taught our ancestors a different point knowledge of the runes it's fine you're not odin i'm not

00:30:39.240 odin but here we are teaching people about the runes tonight if two if two gothar can do that

00:30:48.280 why on earth wouldn't two gods of the icr be able to do that as well that's silly it doesn't pass

00:30:55.240 common sense logic that's i think that's one of the beauties of of your uh the the way that you

00:31:03.880 have kind of laid things out i think a lot of people get bent out of shape or mentally it

00:31:09.720 breaks barriers um you know in one proclamation they'll say you know oh everything's too regimented

00:31:15.960 uh or or what have you but really we are more of the mindset of common sense i mean it's like

00:31:23.480 Like if you can't conceptualize the idea – or I'm not saying you, but anybody can't conceptualize the idea that Thor could come down and teach someone the runes because for some reason by some imaginary framework, Thor doesn't know the runes.

00:31:40.420 it's people plug the gods into literary uh cookie cutters without conceptualizing any of the gods

00:31:50.740 could come down at any at any time with their interaction with the middle world and they have

00:31:55.800 the runic knowledge it was it was attained by odin and given to them why couldn't they

00:32:01.840 The very least proficient runic god is exponentially wiser on the runes than both Bond and myself combined.

00:32:15.520 Right.

00:32:17.200 Surely if we can teach people runes, then they can as well.

00:32:24.080 Yes.

00:32:24.980 So on that, and this is, you know, we've mentioned it's a solar rune and it's that rune of victory.

00:32:29.680 um let's go over the uh rune poems

00:32:34.360 nick if you were able to get graphics for that for us this week if you can pop them up

00:32:41.180 if not we could probably do without them there we go ah they're so tiny on my little screen that

00:32:50.400 i'm looking at all right so it's one of the things i'm adjusting to is the the back end studio aspect

00:32:55.680 of this a little bit different than what we're used to this is the icelandic one

00:33:01.360 so let me

00:33:04.880 no there's really no way so hopefully my translation that i got in front of me is

00:33:08.480 the same one that we're using on the screen uh if not i apologize sun is the shield of the clouds

00:33:15.120 and shining ray and destroyer of ice

00:33:18.080 So, yeah, the idea of shining forth through obstacles of breaking barriers, of being unstoppable, being inconquerable.

00:33:36.300 that concept of soul invictus or the you know the unconquerable sun

00:33:44.020 is one that we see appear over and over again in arian in different arian myth cycles for that

00:33:53.620 reason um you can put the next one up for us nick

00:33:58.140 Again, I appreciate you, Svon.

00:34:15.000 Sun is the light of the world.

00:34:17.160 I bow to the divine decree.

00:34:21.760 There's a lot of, I mean, that is just a literal truth.

00:34:28.140 truth, but also the idea that the sun, the order, so we talk a lot about in Ausitru,

00:34:41.280 order as opposed to chaos. I like to think that in this stanza, the defined decree represents

00:34:52.040 that a little bit the sun isn't marred by chaos no matter what comes through the sun

00:34:59.480 you know talks about how the sun burns off the fog it melts and breaks through the ice as we

00:35:05.480 read through in that poem that sun we can trust it's coming back each day we can have that hope

00:35:10.680 for the ordered working of our cosmos and i think that that the the renewal of the sun

00:35:19.720 is a daily reminder of that um there's a so i like that go ahead there is an interesting part

00:35:30.200 in there that i wanted to bring up too is um in relation to our uh iconography and the way that

00:35:36.160 we do things when that second line first off he says i bow that's an interesting one because that

00:35:41.840 seems to catch a lot of people with uh kneeling and prostration like christianity or so and so

00:35:47.880 much and so forth but um um i bow before no man i'm a viking yeah i i i i really do think that a

00:35:57.500 lot of people have this misconception and so it's worth noting right there is you know i bow i i

00:36:02.160 lower my head or i i show great reverence to the decree of the heavenly light and it's worth noting

00:36:09.560 like when we talk like that people are like you sound like a christian and we don't do that we're

00:36:14.420 vikings and shoulder pelts and so whenever you hear you sound like a christian do they mean you

00:36:21.220 sound like a pious white person because that's probably the only pious white people that they've

00:36:27.360 known or seen examples of in that way are people practicing christianity piety in a european

00:36:36.440 context shares a lot of similarities no matter where it's directed to because it shares that

00:36:43.380 room. Yeah, I think it's that, that understanding that, I mean, they're very clear to say, you know,

00:36:52.600 they can see the expressions of piety within Christianity differ, you know, like the piety

00:36:59.080 of a Korean, like, you know, of the Mooney, you know, Korean Baptists have a different sense of

00:37:08.500 piety than a catholic or a russian orthodox um and so kind of lumping in this idea that we can't

00:37:17.520 or that our ancestors were never uh pious that never observed or uh held you know um the same

00:37:26.180 level of dedication but i mean it's worth noting i mean people traveled over distance in harsh

00:37:32.940 climates to gather together uh to celebrate the gods and even to the point where they were willing

00:37:39.740 to die when some other of the of the folk were taking on this foreign religion they were willing

00:37:46.700 to die for it and they they cannot wrap their heads around the possibility that our ancestors

00:37:52.300 were quite pious and they saw that they saw the upper world they saw the heavenly world they saw

00:37:58.300 the gods as being a shining down an originator of time or weird and events that that descend down

00:38:07.180 into the middle world from the upper world and have those decrees and that was the last part

00:38:11.740 i wanted to bring up was you know it's in in uh the nordic lore it talks about the gods

00:38:17.100 the gods come out of either and out of ausgard and they travel down into where the the greatest

00:38:24.940 tree the center of heaven if you will is really what it is is is still and there's the the um

00:38:33.980 the well of erd and it's the wellspring it's it can be seen kind of like as a lake it's even

00:38:38.620 mentioned as having two swans um swimming in it and there the gods gather to counsel and they

00:38:45.980 they decree the the the bane and and the boon of of men so they're they're watching through the

00:38:55.260 well they see into that middle world and so our iconography of utilizing the sun and rod around

00:39:03.020 the the gods specifically the gold that's a a big one um and people might see a red one and that

00:39:10.700 shows mortality but uh around the the the out the house and the our senior will be a a yellow or

00:39:18.620 gold um sun wheel with multiple 12 in specific uh representing again the the total number of

00:39:26.620 of the gods and of the goddesses and um the uh the usage of of this iconography is to show

00:39:34.700 that they are the ones who give decree and so again it ties in with this room very well and

00:39:42.380 so i think a lot of people don't understand how uh we as aussitur can very

00:39:50.220 quickly say i i'm i am i i'm a i'm a man of reservation to give lord and and things like

00:39:58.140 that with wisdom as we've been warned by by the gods to to be wise but when it comes to the gods

00:40:04.540 i have no reservations i know exactly and i think this this throws people off they and they and it's

00:40:09.740 in even in the runic poems it's clearly there so it's you know these people are kind of i think

00:40:18.060 this is a modern uh conjuration of uh i don't know atheism with horned helmets or i i just i think

00:40:25.900 it's a misleading and it leads our folk down a pathway that they can't it's a reaction it's

00:40:32.140 reactionariness it is being damaged by christianity and then defining ourself by our reaction to it

00:40:42.940 instead of setting it aside and independently embracing ausser true on its own terms

00:40:49.740 that's unfortunate but it is understandable um but yeah so uh i want to go on we have

00:40:57.660 another room poem but i'd like to first say barry wants to throw us a shout out

00:41:02.140 and a donation. I appreciate that. Hey, just wanted to say my first moot went great. It was

00:41:07.660 well worth my long journey, and it was great to meet Witten Erickson and everyone else.

00:41:13.060 I'm glad you had that experience. Glad everything went good, and Cliff is one of my best friends.

00:41:18.700 Getting to meet him, spend time with him is always well worth it. I also have a shout out

00:41:24.440 from Charles Emmerich. Appreciate you, Charles. Thank you. Cole Van Gilder just bought me a coffee.

00:41:31.600 thank you for that cole hello all just wanted to say how happy i was to find my way home thank you

00:41:37.760 all i can't wait to meet you all at sigerheim fantastic i'm glad you're going to be there

00:41:43.040 it's going to be an amazing amazing time and it's going to be cool to share it with you

00:41:50.560 so with that we have another thing coming up but i think nick's gonna post that for

00:41:57.040 me in a second that's fine if we could put the rune poem back up i will read it this time

00:42:06.240 i say that there's only one left so i guess i don't really need spawn

00:42:09.440 it's telling me where it's from the sun is ever a joy in the hopes of seafarers

00:42:16.640 when they journey away from the fish's bath until the courser of the deep bears them to land

00:42:24.000 and i mean i think i think that's obvious but i think it also speaks to divine order the fact

00:42:30.760 that you can tell east from west north from south by that movement of the sun if you can just see

00:42:36.980 that through the clouds and you know where it's at then you have your bearings you can take your

00:42:40.960 bearings from things that are eternal and i think that's kind of a special thing um the next thing

00:42:49.760 that I would like to do is mention the Arminen conception of this rune, because I think it's

00:43:00.800 important, and I think, you know, linguistically, this is the,

00:43:07.340 whereas the rest talks specifically about the sun, this speaks a bit more towards victory.

00:43:13.300 There's the Sieg rune there.

00:43:18.300 On 11th I know, need I to lead lifelong friends to a fight.

00:43:25.300 Meath shield I sing, and safe they go.

00:43:29.300 Fair to the fight, fair from the fight, fair safe on every side.

00:43:34.300 And it makes me wonder if intonation and galder of this rune

00:43:40.300 this rune might be related to to the baritas that they talk about of our our ancestral tribesmen

00:43:47.980 chanting beneath their shields to the terror a number of questions stacked up and i can go and

00:43:54.860 get to them here i'm having to so while we're sorting this out i'm having to uh look down at

00:44:01.340 my phone to get some of this information so if i'm looking down i promise i am not

00:44:05.340 playing Candy Crush or something. Oh, also Barry, Barry just gave another $5 shout out. Thank you,

00:44:16.620 Barry. I also want to give Wynton Erickson a shout out for verifying my first personal bloat. Thanks

00:44:23.460 to folk builder John Rock for helping me get home. John's awesome too. You got to meet some great

00:44:29.180 people on your, on your first, your first foray. So that's, that's great. And I'm glad that worked

00:44:34.060 out wealth for you. And one of the best things to publicly praise someone that is for their

00:44:42.060 deeds. That is huge to, to, you know, present the great deeds of people around you and the

00:44:50.260 appreciation of it. That's huge in our culture. Absolutely. It is. All right. So

00:45:00.620 So, our first question is, I believe I've seen Sowelo on some Bronze Age Swedish petroglyphs.

00:45:12.600 Can someone remind me which ones? It has slipped my mind. Svon, are you aware what he's talking about?

00:45:18.860 So let me see, looking at some of my notes here, the Bronze Age, 1300 BC, is where they're, some of their, as far back as they go, I'm looking for specific.

00:45:48.860 and where the origin he said was in denmark right

00:45:56.380 uh he said sweden oh sweden because i know i think the oldest inscription is actually a danish

00:46:05.600 rune stone um but there are absolutely um i mean you've been to sweden so and you've seen the bronze

00:46:14.820 age uh you know grounds and so i have but i don't recall so the sun absolutely that's one of the

00:46:26.080 places that you see the very um the four four segmented um those i recall but i figured i'd

00:46:35.320 check with you um we can we can get back to digging on that though if we don't have anything

00:46:40.280 off the top of our head because i've got i've got the uh the jarl bank bridge causeway um

00:46:48.680 of course but yelling is in denmark um you know i'm looking through a list of these and i'm i'm

00:46:56.120 trying to find which ones might be of the oldest in bronze age and that's one of the things i i

00:47:02.280 wasn't prepared for um so it's come to my attention that my uh my new fancy camera whenever i i take

00:47:11.080 a drink of my delicious hazy sour ale it does a little swirly thing and it's like it follows my

00:47:17.800 hand and doesn't know what to do so uh not sure what to do on that maybe i'll have a better

00:47:23.160 solution for us next time if not bear with me i appreciate it i appreciate it it's like my matrix

00:47:27.800 wave um i found it um i believe oh wait a minute that's it doesn't specify bronze age but uh it

00:47:41.480 does say that it was originally in denmark and then now because of uh uh changes geographically

00:47:47.960 it's now technically in sweden uh it's the uh surviving uh runic in uh inscriptional stones

00:47:56.280 that we have um but i mean they you know going back to the bronze age there are you'll see them

00:48:02.840 in like pictographs where there will be a you know a man and a woman and perhaps during the a solar

00:48:08.840 time so we low and uh oftentimes willow or or um was often associated also with the dynamic

00:48:15.560 light and power of thor and his his lightning or his hammer um it's some people have speculated that

00:48:22.280 the the tracing of the hammer over the horns uh may have been a fiefot or a swastika um but again

00:48:32.120 denoting to the idea of of the the shining light of of lightning's age one okay well in the meantime

00:48:42.280 barry asks and we mentioned this a second ago but it's worth re-emphasizing um he says i've heard

00:48:47.800 it called a seagrune is that wrong no it's not wrong that's just germany um it's the german

00:48:55.780 conceptualization and it's also very specifically the the armin in name of of this particular room

00:49:02.260 yeah and that's why i mentioned the the usage of lightning and solar are continuous and so

00:49:10.380 the this embodies both um though i i will say that you know it's speculation about the hammer

00:49:17.280 of Thor being two

00:49:19.520 sowillo runes intersected over

00:49:21.660 each other. But again, yeah, it's always

00:49:23.840 I was going to say it embodies both

00:49:27.540 the lightning and the sun.

00:49:29.660 Yes. And so

00:49:30.600 this rune in particular

00:49:33.500 has, I mean, again, the

00:49:35.000 Anglo-Saxon

00:49:36.160 the name of it in the

00:49:39.300 Anglo-Saxon rune poem is

00:49:41.500 I believe Siegel

00:49:43.580 Siegel

00:49:44.560 but I'm not 100% sure on that because

00:49:47.040 that specific book and those notes are over there so all right so our next question is

00:49:53.960 our standard one but it's most appreciated good evening how are the host evenings going

00:49:59.780 uh mine is going fantastic um i'm excited about all these new things uh this may be a little bit

00:50:08.780 sloppy as we figure out some of them but they're fun i appreciate our volunteers uh folk builder

00:50:15.220 lydia phelps did a huge amount on making this possible and i appreciate her um it's fun we

00:50:22.260 got to figure out a lot of new stuff but this is exciting as always i love getting on here and

00:50:26.900 talking to you guys and spending time with swan and talking about something that i dearly love

00:50:34.180 and is endlessly fast work and um my my wife's work and so there's a lot of moving parts going

00:50:40.340 on right now and there's even you know some family things where i'm worried and so we're looking at

00:50:46.180 at uh you know redesigning and reforming things so things have been extremely hectic and so what

00:50:51.700 has kind of become we're trying to make the show and get in from work was always kind of like i was

00:50:59.300 just is the indiana jones underneath the the the slowly dropping gate now i've managed to

00:51:07.700 work it out where this becomes a respite the ability to to sit down and talk with you and

00:51:12.740 again it's getting a chance to talk and having us interact uh because if a lot of people think that

00:51:20.260 we're doing this behind the scenes and like prepping for it we don't this is almost like

00:51:25.220 just my respite this is um i'm i'm in the good place right now

00:51:30.180 all right so guys i'm i'm picking up a little bit of what's going down with some of the uh

00:51:37.060 bandwidth issues because it keeps fluctuating from having a low bit rate to excellent connection to

00:51:43.780 it's all over the map so we are working on it it'll be tightened up a little bit more than it

00:51:48.340 is right now uh by the next time this is the the maiden voyage of this so bear with us and i

00:51:54.020 appreciate it and it's still fun so we're going to find ways of making the uh little bells and

00:51:59.540 whistles not derail us. Next question, and this is following up on, I believe, the first question.

00:52:16.020 Also, does it have any links to the swastika or did they independently develop? And I think

00:52:22.500 Fawn's touched on this quite a bit, so I don't think there's a lot more to say

00:52:28.260 on it other than yes they're both very ancient symbols they're both solar symbols absolutely

00:52:36.420 they are connected um it's absolutely a thing and you see that on some of the very old stones

00:52:43.140 as a matter of fact the snotlev stone that the afa trihorns are modeled for um has three solar

00:52:51.300 symbols on it it's got the trihorns which is the most recent symbol before that it has uh the

00:52:59.060 swastika on it and before that it has a much bigger and lighter defined and older um solar

00:53:08.980 cross that's just that four uh segmented solar disk yeah i for what i can the sun and rod

00:53:17.780 i wouldn't say pre-date but seems to be in higher usage and then it was it was perhaps kind of

00:53:25.300 segmented later to where it was just a singular piece um but yes they're yeah absolutely connected

00:53:32.580 and again solar and lightning both in connection with uh this rune and its usage because again

00:53:39.620 flashing light dynamic power um casting light upon shadow is connected with this

00:53:52.020 all right so um also and again this is from early in the broadcast and we went over it but

00:53:57.060 it's worth mentioning it's used as the 12 spokes on the sonnenrad uh right yes absolutely and we

00:54:04.660 touched on that earlier that's all part of the same phenomenon we've been speaking on it is

00:54:08.740 both the lightning and the sun um our next question thoughts on the recent banning of

00:54:16.100 the artsgemeinschaft in germany do you think this ruling could affect the afa in germany

00:54:24.820 sorry to say there's not a lot of afa in germany unfortunately and i would like for there to be

00:54:30.020 but germany specifically with their laws is very very difficult for us to attract membership in

00:54:38.820 and for focus house of true to exist in and that's very unfortunate um i don't know all

00:54:49.140 of the details internally on claims that are being made or like justifications and honestly

00:54:56.740 i think that their justifications are probably what we all think they are it's unfortunate um

00:55:04.500 i hope those folks find some place to be and another and fallbacks to continue to practice

00:55:11.540 their faith um i today messaged back and forth with uh a gentleman i met when i and i met some

00:55:21.860 artgemeinschaft people in uh sweden when i was over there for our afa move we did up there in

00:55:28.580 a couple years back much more than a couple now so i don't know 2018 or so anyways it was really

00:55:37.300 nice i reached out to him i guess he had left the organization last year but he's still very

00:55:44.420 connected he said that they are trying to fight that through the german courts and see what they

00:55:48.980 can do so that's hopeful um no it's unfortunate and it's because

00:55:58.180 it's because germany uh post-war germany is unfortunately insta tastes and our people can

00:56:07.540 practice their faith openly and with pride in our homelands um but yeah next question

00:56:18.980 is it okay to pray to God's ancestors and heroes with just one altar if you don't have the space

00:56:28.540 for multiple altars, like if you live in a small apartment? Absolutely. That's what I do. That's

00:56:40.220 absolutely a good thing to do. I'm not opposed to a different configuration, but having a small

00:56:47.880 child, I've had to, you know, kind of downsize and move my altar to spots where Aubrey's not

00:56:55.580 going to play with stuff on it or break stuff or whatever. It's a little bit different now that

00:56:59.620 she's three and a half, but in doing so, kind of downsized. I know that some people have specific

00:57:06.400 altars for ancestors, specific ones for gods, specific ones for heroes, maybe even a specific

00:57:12.240 one for house spirits. I don't think there's a wrong answer to that, as long as you're practicing

00:57:18.500 whatever you're doing there with piety and with the right intention. I don't think that's wrong

00:57:23.040 at all. Spond, do you have thoughts on that? Yeah, I saw this as a topic that's been coming up a lot.

00:57:30.940 Thomas Rousell even asked me on Twitter or X about the AFA's stance on an official, like,

00:57:38.840 the reality of practicing our faith uh in in in the multiple levels of our lives is uh one where

00:57:48.940 there isn't always a kind of a one piece fits all um you know and i i brought up the fact that even

00:57:56.400 our temples have different uh sacred spaces most people call them altars um a lot of folks in us

00:58:02.640 call them harrows uh it is a place in which you call out from it is also a place in which you

00:58:07.920 kind of break through the mundane, kind of superseding the veil or superseding the

00:58:16.380 barriers of the middle world. And the harrow is what cuts through that. It's the place in which

00:58:23.060 we call out. And you can have one in your house. The only thing we really differentiate the idea,

00:58:31.700 I guess, is a harrow is indoors and a horg is outdoors. And unless you have a vey, like if you

00:58:39.760 have a vey space, a holy space that has been hallowed, then, you know, you should probably

00:58:46.360 hallow it with smoke, with fire, with prayer. But if you have a vey space and it's been hallowed,

00:58:54.960 it should, you know, be fine and remain so. But a lot of people have been asking for particularities

00:59:00.680 and I was perplexed by it because I have seen harrows that are on the wall in like a cabinet

00:59:07.200 with doors. I've seen ones on obviously on tables. I've seen ones on mantles. Mine is

00:59:14.300 actually a mantle. It spans the entire wall above my fireplace. And so you find the construction

00:59:22.880 of a harrow or the need for this to be organized is kind of lost in the gray because we consider

00:59:33.140 more the components of a harrow to be more important. And really what that is, is the

00:59:39.360 libational container. And we don't even specify that it needs to be a horn. It could be a stein,

00:59:47.140 it could be a cup it could be a bowl um but generally you need two containers uh one in which

00:59:54.180 to place the gift in and one to transfer the gift into the sacred bowl that you've dedicated

01:00:00.340 to gifting to the gods there needs to be that transference but outside of that everything

01:00:05.860 becomes uh you know dictated by environment um you know do i need to have candles yes

01:00:13.460 absolutely but i can't have an open flame in my apartment i guess i can't pray to the gods it's

01:00:18.980 like we don't nitpick to that level you might have an issue where you can't have open flames

01:00:25.220 or you might have an issue where you can't make a lot of noise so we can't stand by and say you

01:00:29.700 need bells or you need a horn a blowing horn to to sound out to the gods even though all of these are

01:00:36.500 used in in different ways the the biggest thing i would say is you need a spot a bowl that

01:00:45.940 is dedicated to the gods and a container which you will pour your libational gift

01:00:52.580 to the gods and that's it outside of that you need to bring yourself you need to bring

01:00:57.060 your words you need to bring your heart you need to bring your mind into it um and beyond that you

01:01:02.100 know these this this space can vary greatly you can incense and you might people meet people that

01:01:08.180 say oh no we can't use incense from uh like india because we're also true and or we can't use bells

01:01:15.620 because the bells were seen as bad in epsilon you'll you'll never please anybody fully but i i

01:01:23.060 think the best thing to do is to do just like uh with the the um young or the young man that was

01:01:29.300 speaking out about his first bloat come out to bloats meet other aussitur see how

01:01:36.820 they conduct things whether it's outside whether it's inside whether it's at a kindred home or

01:01:42.980 a kindred gathering place or especially at the hoffs because the hoffs um every hoff is different

01:01:49.300 um mainly because of the the layout of of the vase space and sometimes um you know a wintertime

01:01:56.580 wintertime ceremony in, in Minnesota is going to be drastically different than a wintertime

01:02:02.580 ceremony in Florida. So you may have processional stuff, um, in Florida and you may not in Minnesota

01:02:11.020 because of the weather. It's, there's so much of a, of a variation. And I think the best thing to

01:02:17.980 do is to seek guidance from your go-thar, uh, or, you know, even your fellow, I was a truer in the

01:02:23.600 FA, reach out to them and say, Hey, what do you guys have on your heroes? Um, what do you have

01:02:28.600 on your orgs outside? Um, but if you're talking about one individual hero in relation to multiple

01:02:37.080 things, there is one concept. Um, of course the Latin ish word is I, um, I call them, uh, go go

01:02:45.440 steads or God steads as I see them as, as places in which, uh, the gods or the ancestors, because

01:02:51.580 if they're pictures of our ancestors, these are physical objects in which I openly plea with the

01:03:02.060 gods, plea with the ancestors that they may take that spot within my home, that they may view upon

01:03:08.320 me while I'm interchanging or exchanging this gift cycle. So a godstead is, I think, the root

01:03:16.560 of your question the idea is that if you had a god state to say like or a multiple say like if

01:03:22.140 you had a tripartite of uh and uh and thor and tear but um you know with with a sacred sense

01:03:31.080 you could you could place your ancestors pictures there um or you know some people might have a

01:03:37.940 special place where they like i i have a spot where i wrap my godsteads in cloth and place

01:03:43.360 them in a cabinet and then I can pull them out because I enjoy the realness of placing the

01:03:50.460 godsteads. It's almost like assembling something with a direct purpose and then asking the gods to

01:03:57.280 come and sit and bear witness or that they're always welcome in my home to sit and bear witness

01:04:04.520 to my duty. And so I would say that constructing godsteads, whether they're pictures to your

01:04:13.340 ancestors or to the land spirits or um actual statuary different things like that um you could

01:04:20.700 absolutely change out and that would be your directional shift towards who you're you're

01:04:27.260 giving honor to because some people just don't have the space they don't have outdoor spots um

01:04:33.580 things like that i would say that horgs are outdoor heroes and um they could be used for utility in

01:04:41.020 the sense that you could perform ceremony there but a lot of people that i know perform mostly

01:04:46.860 inside and they they have the land spirits are often honored but that's not entirely the case

01:04:55.100 anywhere and so different everywhere that i think it's it would be kind of foolish for us to

01:05:00.380 okay you need to place two candles and you need to have a red candle and a black candle and then

01:05:06.220 you need to have a knife and a bowl and you know these kind of specific things i think these are

01:05:12.300 kind of more or less leftovers from uh kind of like the new age movement where we see it as it's

01:05:20.060 it's more important to bring yourself and then and then to have a symbolic differentiation between

01:05:26.060 yourself and the gods and then when you're done with that gift goal to a sacred place outside

01:05:33.020 You know, you don't just chuck it somewhere. And, you know, we say a small prayer, we, you know, from the earth to our hands, to the gods, to the gods, to our hands, to the earth. And then we give that gift and we solemnly earn. Outside of that, it's very, very distinct on the person.

01:05:52.500 So I've got, first, trigger warning.

01:05:58.900 We don't have a cool graphic for that because I'm saying that ironically.

01:06:02.440 We don't really need to do that.

01:06:06.480 If you guys, this is one of the coolest things about going to Asian restaurants.

01:06:13.840 Depending upon how pious your Asians are.

01:06:18.520 So like this Thai place.

01:06:20.000 We've got this really good Thai place right up the road from our house.

01:06:23.180 Let's go in there.

01:06:24.060 I can see people going, you ate for a Thai place?

01:06:26.920 For his ancestors.

01:06:28.960 He's got a Buddhist altar set up.

01:06:31.780 And he has an altar for the king of Thailand.

01:06:34.680 And he has these all set up on, like, shelves at his place of business because it's important to him that that's honored in his place where he makes his living and where he's doing his business.

01:06:50.000 Yes, we're a folkish, we're not trying to copy Asian practices, but the point isn't that, the point is when you take this seriously, and you are a non-Abrahamic faith, those are the kind of things you do, and that's the point.

01:07:08.440 I've said this many times on here, and I'll continue to do so, don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

01:07:14.400 worshiping the gods is the important part refining how cool your altar setup is

01:07:21.180 is that's great and i encourage you to do so but you know do that

01:07:28.240 while you're currently in the process of continuing to have the gift cycle with our gods

01:07:35.060 um for example and this is suboptimal but it's what it is i was asked to come and help some guys

01:07:45.280 at high desert prison and on monday i drove up there and performed bloat ensemble with a group

01:07:56.180 of 27 incarcerated men. They didn't have stuff. I used a, like an end table thing that they had

01:08:09.140 there. It may have even been like a high piano bench kind of thing. Tried to set it up as best

01:08:19.860 I could. We had some styrofoam cups. We had a plastic jug of some kind of crystal light

01:08:26.600 that we could use. And when it came time to have to do the offering, because there's not a spot

01:08:34.780 that I can take anything to there or that the incarcerated gentleman could take anything to

01:08:42.380 there, I went into the bathroom and I said something with respect, apologizing for the

01:08:49.100 circumstance. And I, as ceremoniously as you can, poured it down the sink. You do the best with

01:08:57.300 what you have. My options were the sink or the toilet. The sink is more respectful.

01:09:03.920 And I don't say that with any disrespect. The point is that you're doing the best you can.

01:09:09.700 The gods aren't literally going to drink my crystal light or your mead. It's the thought,

01:09:15.060 it's the intention. It's the piety that you put into the action. And so that's what we did.

01:09:21.040 It's what we're able to do. Hopefully it gets better, but doing that is so much better than

01:09:28.300 sitting here and going, man, next week when I set up an altar, then, then I'm going to do house of

01:09:33.160 truth. And then very often doesn't happen because there's always another step that you could do to

01:09:40.280 perfected even more. And if you let that hold you back, eventually you find large portions of your

01:09:45.720 life and pass you by. So we're a little bit over when I wanted to jump into doing this, but Svon,

01:09:59.120 we've got more questions. We'll answer those after you tell these folks about the rune Tiwaz.

01:10:05.560 all right um so the the rune tivas uh this is where we start to transition into the third

01:10:17.500 etter etter is a is a nordic word it's it's an old norse word or an icelandic word meaning

01:10:23.040 like a family group and so the way that the elder futhark and it's worth noting that um

01:10:31.600 you know, the, the, um, the idea of the etter concept amongst the younger Futhark might not

01:10:36.600 have even had been, um, conceptualized because there's not as a clean three set group. Um,

01:10:45.360 but the elder Futhark is, you know, it's three sets of eight. And we transition from the second

01:10:53.600 etter into the third. And this is where it becomes quite interesting with a, a couple of

01:10:58.640 variable things. And again, I also wanted to bring up the epochs of time, if you will,

01:11:05.980 the mythos of time, the idea of the reemergence, the solar time. My rune teacher, my rune master,

01:11:14.580 he spoke of that we were in the time of the sun, a reemergence or a returning of the light,

01:11:20.700 an idea that of us uh reawakening and i think this could be kind of seen and that led me naturally

01:11:28.140 to say well then is the next epoch tiwaz and he said yes and i said when and he said i can't answer

01:11:34.860 that so he's he was super honest in that in that uh point but i wanted to bring it up because we're

01:11:41.900 kind of in that discussion spot but he did say you know you'll know when it happens and he has

01:11:47.180 since passed away and um just very interesting with with uh tears off on the horizon um so i i

01:11:57.340 you know it's the the

01:12:01.500 t was is uh i guess it's a controversial rune now and i mean that in a very light sense not probably

01:12:10.140 not as much as so willow especially if you put two of them across from each other or over over

01:12:14.780 each other um then you know you can get all kinds of problems or whatever um tiwaz has become a

01:12:23.580 controversial rune in relation to the the the name tiwaz or the name tir uh and what relations that

01:12:34.380 there there may be in pertaining to to the gods and uh i guess we could discuss that in a little

01:12:39.820 bit but it's worth noting that you know tir is in all of the futharks the the youngers and in the

01:12:49.180 anglos anglo-phrygian um it's clearly nodding again towards and and first and foremost will

01:12:59.820 always kind of be nodded towards tier tier specifically the ouse the god um but it is

01:13:07.900 also worth noting that just like ouse is associated often uh with the gods so is the word tear and um

01:13:19.340 the i think a lot of people are trying to mash those two together kind of bring everything into

01:13:26.220 one god try to bring everything into odin but it's worth noting that the difference between

01:13:32.380 aus or ansu's rune the ansu's rune is the the clear kind of overarching of the gods versus

01:13:39.900 the specificity of of tier it's just a matter of whether or not you want to debate oh well you know

01:13:46.060 this was just a name that they used um and again they did that with aus as well and so it's kind

01:13:52.540 of interesting but this rune i think and i correlate it to lord tier um in in especially

01:14:00.860 when you look at the epochs of the idea of like the coming home and then the establishment and the

01:14:06.700 the uh centering this rune is a oftentimes confused it looks like a an arrow pointing up

01:14:14.940 and oh yes that's on the screen and um it has you know connections to being an axis

01:14:22.300 a rune of the centering a rune of the the return of the gods the re-establishment of the heavenly

01:14:29.500 realm um and and the the order beneath it the the and so we find tirun is a rune of of courage a rune

01:14:41.340 of uh organ or organization of of balance i think a lot of people kind of get caught up on the idea

01:14:49.020 of balance being uh justice and this looks like scales and that i don't think that's the correct

01:14:54.380 way of looking at i think it's it's balance of the upper worlds to that which is below the what

01:15:02.380 is below is singular it is one it is in the center it's it's the hub of all and so i think that the

01:15:10.140 balance really is about um that when the when the gods are returned and they have come back to the

01:15:19.180 and the folk have come back to us and that kind of align between us then we become centered but

01:15:24.860 the rune is often associated with courageousness with justice or sometimes even legality which i

01:15:30.940 think is again a little misnomer um this this rune if we're talking specifically about lord

01:15:39.180 tier lord tier is a his most notable point is his sacrifice in order to bind chaos and that is

01:15:51.020 absolute there's no question about this tears interactions and other stories might be

01:15:57.740 questionable in one story he's the son of a yacht and in another he's the son of olden

01:16:02.220 and most people i think anybody in our faith uh sees him as a son of olden or or i've also

01:16:09.740 some people say of the original that there were more gods than just olden villian vey that that

01:16:16.460 were produced from boar and best love but there's no mention of siblinghood um he's is a mystery

01:16:22.060 and i think snorri didn't know how to contend with that mystery but we do know the worship of

01:16:30.060 is often associated with him through comparative. Tacitus most likely was speaking about him

01:16:38.480 in relation to Mars amongst the Romans when they did a correlation. They said that the Germanic

01:16:44.940 people honored Mars and they honored Hercules, but were most favorable or most fervent with

01:16:53.800 um with mercury which of course we're kind of associating with with odin he does not speak

01:17:00.380 about familial ties he doesn't say that and again you can kind of see that with the idea of of um

01:17:07.700 mars and mercury and the usage and hercules that that it shows more about their way of looking at

01:17:15.080 the divine in rome and he doesn't necessarily state that oh the germanic people believe that

01:17:21.340 um, you know, Mars and Hercules are the, are the son of, uh, Mercury. Um, they don't ever

01:17:30.420 really kind of connect those familial ties. Um, but this rune, I think ultimately when you're

01:17:38.900 looking at divinatory practice is a rune of both victory, but victory at a cost of victory at a

01:17:49.480 recalibration. Because we say cost, but sometimes recalibrating what you value and what you will

01:17:56.960 lose. Sometimes I think we as just humans, we hold on to things, we get patterns, we find stability

01:18:05.600 in things. And then when those things kind of get kicked over, we see it as an immediate loss.

01:18:11.900 But that's because we're thinking from ourself. We're not thinking about the entirety of our folk.

01:18:18.720 So this rune, I think, ultimately has a caveat on the end. It is victory. It is courage. It is attainment. It is balance. And the caveat at the end is of the whole over the self is something I think that everyone should look at when they see this rune.

01:18:42.640 And if they put that caveat on there, this rune will guide you through the millstrom of life.

01:18:48.820 I'm not saying that wanting is suffering like some sort of Buddhist concept.

01:18:52.940 No, I'm saying that oftentimes in this day and age, we don't see ourselves as a whole.

01:19:00.520 We see ourselves just as singular beings.

01:19:04.200 And this room really does encompass the idea of what do I give up? What duties do I, you know, foist upon myself to make my family better, to make my kindred better, my folk, my church? What do I do in order to focus the efforts forward to attain victory?

01:19:24.420 And that involves courageousness, balance, trying to balance your life, making sure that you're caretaking for your kids, watering the tree of your marriage, but at the same time also to dedicating your life to the gods and traveling or to your craft, dedicating to your craft.

01:19:44.520 this rune really does encapsulate that. And I think it's less about, um, perhaps like a lot

01:19:50.780 of people think in relation to, uh, trials and whether they're going to win or there's some sort

01:19:57.500 of, uh, I'll carve tear for winning in, in, in, uh, a legal battle. No, the only time that we,

01:20:05.700 I can definitely say this rune is specifically mentioned is it has nothing to do with winning

01:20:11.100 a legal battle. It has everything to do with a literal battle. And that's when Brenhilde

01:20:16.700 tells Sigurd that you should carve two tear runes at the base of your blade to give it

01:20:25.120 might. And that's one of the times

01:20:27.000 it's specifically mentioned.

01:20:37.200 So

01:20:37.920 there's a lot of

01:20:40.880 it's not really possible to talk

01:20:47.220 about this rune

01:20:48.540 effectively without talking about

01:20:50.940 the god Mortir.

01:20:55.120 because this is his rune, and so much symbolizes that.

01:21:08.020 It's a really important rune.

01:21:10.540 It is a victory rune.

01:21:11.740 I think that it's fortuitous, and the act of weird that it is placed directly

01:21:24.720 next to Osweilo. And I don't, take a second because it's hard to put words to. People

01:21:39.220 assume that Tear is a god of justice. And when they hear that, they start thinking about Judge

01:21:45.880 Judy. Like they start thinking about really mundane legal matters that isn't really the point.

01:21:54.720 So justice on a big scale, laws on a cosmic scale, laws like the destiny of our race, laws like the perseverance of our people, big picture things.

01:22:13.100 in that sense he is also the god of war because war is a way of recalibrating war is a way of

01:22:21.020 reshuffling the deck and we aligning ourselves with an appropriate order

01:22:26.760 or to defend against something else trying to realign us towards chaos or something that is

01:22:35.420 not the appropriate order of things um i think it absolutely has to do with sacrificing for

01:22:42.380 that maintainment of order or for the bigger picture, for our folk as a whole, for our church

01:22:49.140 as a whole, for the gods. But also, I think it has everything to do with duty. If you were going

01:23:00.360 to whittle it down to the most mundane, there's stuff in law called mala in se and mala prohibita,

01:23:09.660 Stuff that's bad because it is bad. It goes against dharma. It goes against the sartus. It's a wrong thing to do. It's offensive to the order of things. And then there's laws that are bad because somebody passed a law that said that they're bad.

01:23:28.720 those are very different schools of legal things if you're going to break down the great cosmic

01:23:38.660 order and justice of tear into smaller digestible daily things then i think that duty is a very big

01:23:48.300 part of that doing the right thing because it is in keeping with orlog and the law of the universe

01:23:56.760 to do. Going through and doing the gift cycles with the gods because it is right to do, whether

01:24:04.040 you have 10,000 strong at your back or whether you're by yourself, whether you're in a gilded

01:24:10.960 hof with spires ascending to heaven or whether you are in a prison library. I think that

01:24:20.940 those things are relevant to this rune that's standing upward always treading the upward path

01:24:27.020 always focusing upward symbolized by the arrow that is this rune i think is important as well

01:24:34.060 iconologically if that's a word um but yeah this is a it's a very important rune and tears

01:24:45.180 a very important god yeah i would go ahead i'd like to kind of piggyback on what you were saying

01:24:51.660 there i think um one of the most disturbing things that i've seen as of late is um people attempting

01:24:57.900 to to almost disregard the tear um you know when you when you look at the germanic accounts with

01:25:06.140 with uh tacitus um and then you know from the norse perspective they just kind of try to

01:25:11.180 shuffle tir into obscurity or say that it's it was uh you know it was loki or it was just any god or

01:25:18.620 um and i i find that a grievous thing and i think a lot of people that that do that are terrible one

01:25:24.860 of the things um is uh there's been this ongoing and again this is the controversy of it is is um

01:25:30.460 a lot of these uh new newer or maybe universal groups or whatever have proclamated the idea that

01:25:37.740 tear uh was a was the head of the gods and that oh then usurped him or oh then uh somehow

01:25:46.860 i don't know i don't know how they would conceive it like uh you know did the old switcheroo and i

01:25:53.260 think a lot of people in alsatra are trying to react to that with very unpious ways and that

01:26:01.180 is where it's like whoa wait a minute you don't uh pour gasoline to put out the fire um this

01:26:09.420 one i've heard is that uh that the immediacy is that tear is not a a celestial god

01:26:16.700 tear is not a a god of of any sort of sky sense and um that would be completely wrong because

01:26:25.420 they're the first thing that i thought of immediately was the anglo-saxon rune poem

01:26:29.980 in relation to the north star and i've often uh saw tier as um whereas odin is is working out

01:26:41.980 the problems of the gods with his you know massive power and what he's doing is is trying to stave

01:26:49.740 off ragnarok whereas tier is rightly so a an adjudicator of nations an adjudicator of war

01:26:58.300 and i think our ancestors saw him that way and he was more of of one connected to uh the war

01:27:05.340 overall not the war band not the individual soul like like uh lord wolden is where he's

01:27:11.820 you know having the valkyrie you know bring up the chosen ones that he has decided to

01:27:16.860 to exalt uh whereas tia is more focused on the entirety of the victory or defeat

01:27:24.140 and um some people just can't have that they just everything has to be heimdall can't teach the

01:27:28.860 runes uh tear can't have any sort of uh place within you know it's got to be odin and i i see

01:27:36.380 that it's it reminds me a lot of like it's everything is shiva amongst kind of some newer

01:27:43.420 hindu concepts and this is i warn people to not look at it this way because it gets very very

01:27:52.060 dangerous. And it's impious. It's just impious in general. So I wanted to piggyback on a lot of

01:27:59.680 that is that, yes, we could argue what type of tripartite positioning tier might have within

01:28:08.320 the tripartite, whether we're talking, and I've mentioned this numerous times. So if you're

01:28:11.780 just now catching this episode, I have to go back and get what I'm saying about this,

01:28:15.780 but the thrones, you know, there's the dynamic throne and the catalystic throne and the stasis

01:28:19.840 throne and all of the gods can fill those thrones in certain aspects of our lives because those

01:28:27.040 thrones are kind of cultural reflections of how we often interact with the gods um but to discredit

01:28:37.600 a divine being simply out of a reaction perhaps um oh these people over here these these universalists

01:28:45.040 or these hippies or whatever they are they're you're saying tear is is the bee's knees and and

01:28:50.800 now we've got to like blaspheme against the gods or that specific god in order to re-establish the

01:28:58.480 the the uh obvious leadership of woven amongst the gods you get into that kind of stuff and

01:29:06.400 and i wonder if people are really you know it's like if you're proclaiming this do you really

01:29:10.800 believe in the gods because that's a dangerous thing to do but instead you know spoiler alert

01:29:17.280 no they don't but the biggest thing is observation to understand that observation um

01:29:25.680 and to see how the gods you know work and so like i have i have in my own personal belief

01:29:33.680 brought in the idea of um the with the north star and the material axis mundi kind of seen in the

01:29:42.080 symbology of the ermine sill and uh and it's and yggdrasil in the heavenly center in relation to

01:29:50.080 odin and in the middle in relation to tier with just the concept of the way we uh can look at

01:29:57.600 at our ancestors' interactions with Mars and Mercury and Hercules. Again, you see this very

01:30:07.800 differently amongst the Slavs with Svarog and Veles and Perun and their tripartite being very

01:30:15.620 interestingly different. But it's by no means degrading. If you honor all the gods with piety,

01:30:25.320 then you do not pull from any one of them. And I think that's a dangerous thing that a lot of

01:30:31.300 people are doing. And I think they're doing it as a reaction. I think they're doing it because

01:30:35.240 they think somebody stated somewhere that, you know, tir, you know, is the original deus pater

01:30:44.380 or the teus. But it's worth noting that other Aryan groups use the word devas or, you know,

01:30:53.260 devos in relation to multiple gods. And that survived in our language with the, again, the

01:30:59.220 word aus being connotated like wodhanas, thoneras, ingwas, which is another rune we'll be going over

01:31:11.060 with that. A-Z-A-S ending is denoting divinity. And that comes from the usage of the word as

01:31:19.800 for the gods and other branches have done it too. And I, I, I think that, um, you know,

01:31:25.740 when we talk about namings of the gods, you know, when we talk about Lord Freyr and Freyja

01:31:31.040 as being the Lord and the lady as just a title, um, the idea of, of, um, uh,

01:31:40.040 Tyr having just the title of God is viable in that, in those respects. And then understanding

01:31:47.080 that the interactions that odin has especially with his ability his dynamicism you know he is

01:31:53.800 three he is everywhere he's he's interacting he's he's in our breath he's in our minds is

01:31:59.720 that makes him have all those haiti because we that that interaction is so dynamic it could be

01:32:05.320 good it could be bad um so with tir i often associate more of a stasis throne the idea of

01:32:12.520 of um the loss of the hand and the maintenance of the northern star um as a symbol of that

01:32:20.120 countenance towards order and the countenance towards the center um there's the arian

01:32:25.400 connections between tier and say like uh amongst the irish with uh and and the the is king like

01:32:32.280 king nuara and the the loss of his arm and he no longer can lead the people because he's no longer

01:32:39.480 her hole, but then he gets his arm back. The, the idea of the, the loss of a limb, not voluntarily,

01:32:46.140 which again, I think is another reason why people place the Faustian title upon, uh, upon Lord Woden

01:32:52.980 is because he voluntarily gave, whereas this one is, is taken, uh, his hand is taken by, by Fenrir,

01:33:00.600 the, the dweller in the Fens. He's the dweller in the outer edges and the dark places. And, um,

01:33:08.380 you know, he, he places his hand in his mouth and that is what is taken in order to bind him.

01:33:15.160 And, um, I think that it's, it's foolish for us to, to say, oh, well, you know,

01:33:19.700 Snorri was really talking about woe then, or he was just talking about any God. It could be any

01:33:24.660 God. It could be, uh, what have you. And I think that's a very dangerous path to go down.

01:33:29.400 and it's impious and it goes back to

01:33:36.120 i notice on this show that i'm a broken record about certain things and i don't really apologize

01:33:46.520 for that because they're core concepts that i think need to be restated as many times as possible

01:33:53.080 for the listener also for any of us speaking it's something that should be at the forefront

01:33:59.160 of our minds our goal is to give worship and honor to our gods how do we do that best

01:34:08.440 if we don't know something for sure we err on the side of being more pious than not

01:34:16.920 maximum piety is making sure that you don't do anything to disrespect one of our gods for you

01:34:24.840 You'd have an academic theory that, well, maybe this is just a word usage, and these are really both the same God.

01:34:31.280 You lose nothing by worshiping them as two gods.

01:34:36.860 You 100% neglect and offend one of them if you assume they're the same and you're wrong.

01:34:48.320 So that's, it bears repeating as many times as it can be repeated.

01:34:54.840 But in the meantime, and we're going to get to these rune poems here in just a second.

01:34:59.800 But there was some controversy.

01:35:01.560 Some people in the chat think that the horn sound is cringe.

01:35:04.660 We may can tweak it, but for a $20 donation, we will listen to a cringy horn, and we will be happy that we did.

01:35:12.200 I would love to listen to more $20 cringy horns if you guys would like to blow them.

01:35:18.340 I don't hear it on my end.

01:35:20.680 No, it's hard for us to hear in the way that we're viewing it.

01:35:23.260 they hear it on their end and that's what counts uh how's the stream looking guys smooth sailing

01:35:29.580 here on out awesome it's looking great uh from where we're sitting in the control room um yeah

01:35:37.180 there's none of the i don't see the background stuff but they are too handsome faces or anyway

01:35:43.260 i wouldn't see much background anyway so also we have a uh coffee was bought to us a coffee's

01:35:51.820 a five dollar donation for anybody that doesn't speak what these kids these days are speaking

01:35:56.460 um and i appreciate it puns are life oh and hail the afa hey thank you for that hail the afa

01:36:05.420 absolutely um i love coffee it's good yeah coffee's amazing and then a five dollar donations

01:36:12.380 are also amazing and over in the side on the nature of puns because you you felt the need

01:36:19.420 to bring them up. Somebody said, why have one God when you can have them all?

01:36:29.100 That's literally a knee slapper. That's good.

01:36:34.380 So that being said, Nick, can you throw up our first rune poem for Tiwaz?

01:36:49.420 so we have a five second lag in our studios that's why it takes me a second sometimes

01:36:59.420 um this one which one is this it's too small this is the icelandic one cool um

01:37:06.380 tear is god with one hand and the leavings of the wolf and prince of temples

01:37:13.940 other than the obvious associating him with his most you know his one story that's come down to

01:37:28.140 us for preserving that order through sacrificing his hand um what do you make of him being the

01:37:35.660 prince of temples swan well this is uh this is one of the reasons why in in my personal belief

01:37:44.380 of the tripartite i believe that he is a part of the tripartite and that is of course the

01:37:52.620 lord olden the old father and then thor and tier um is because we see all three of of them being

01:38:03.260 associated by our ancestors clearly with divine spaces and that includes tier again the the

01:38:10.220 unpiousness of saying tier is just a some god or not a god or it's just loki or he's just a

01:38:16.380 plot convenience but yet is also the prince of temples um the idea i think too is that there's

01:38:24.140 a deep connection between the establishment of nation and faith and the idea that there is a

01:38:30.460 a completion, just as, just as, you know, there is to the spine, to the flesh and to the skin,

01:38:38.360 there is from the border to the center, there is this, the need of an understanding through

01:38:45.460 sacrifice, through honor, through obligation, through duty, that the heart of the nation is

01:38:52.940 the temple. And so the equilibrium or the Lord that brings that kind of power of stability

01:38:59.820 and stasis, is Lord Tyr. We see here too the usage of the word prince, but it's also used

01:39:10.440 in relation with Woden, so I think this causes a lot of confusion because the translation of that

01:39:19.040 is not prince, but like lord of. So for me to say Lord Odin and Lord Tyr doesn't take away from

01:39:27.920 Odin. It's a, it's a station title, but he is the Lord of temples. And again, Thor is also

01:39:34.380 associated with the hallowing and the, and the sacredness of temples. And so we, and we see that

01:39:41.060 again with Odin as well in his height, these are his names. The, the, the concept, especially with

01:39:49.800 this rune poem being of the late Nordic period, we're looking at about 11th, 12th century.

01:39:58.400 you know this is not lost and it wasn't lost on the icelanders even though there's not there

01:40:02.400 doesn't seem to be a huge amount of um practice towards tier as an individual

01:40:09.680 house as their say was with thor or with uh lord fray or with with uh lord odin so i i one thing

01:40:18.720 that i noticed chronologically with this i i didn't mean to cut you off there's fun um

01:40:25.360 Um, it's not surprising to me in a way, and this may be a reach.

01:40:30.480 This is just an idea.

01:40:31.680 I don't claim this is take from it what you will at the age of decline.

01:40:39.860 When our faith was in a twilight period where it had degraded and was far from its golden age,

01:40:49.280 you see less emphasis on this god of order and the prince of temples i think that when we oh well

01:40:59.660 tear was originally a much more prominent god and then faded into obscurity i think as tear goes

01:41:06.180 so perhaps our faith went and it illustrates the god of order of cosmic order and functioning

01:41:14.360 is the Prince of Temples, because our temples, which are the houses for our gift cycle,

01:41:20.600 our communion with our gods, are the foundation stone for society, for family, for nation,

01:41:29.640 for race, for people. And when that is maintained, that is that ermine soul that holds

01:41:36.420 everything up. And I think that's an important part of his being Prince of Temples.

01:41:42.640 And the idea of assigning a, you know, title of nobility is just that.

01:41:50.120 It is the recognition of, you know, Sir times, it's saying Sir times 10.

01:41:58.600 It's, you know, it's like when the Hindus, because some questions are coming up with that, when they say, you know, Sri, whatever.

01:42:07.420 it's assigning a like worshipful or you know exalted tear um when we say lord tear and so we

01:42:16.380 apply that to a lot of our gods i think swan's point that he was that he was making when you

01:42:21.320 know well tear just means god so it's not an actual god's name it's just a title nobody does

01:42:26.700 that with freya and freya which are equally just that they don't do that because it doesn't occur

01:42:37.080 to them it's only when you know one of the new well actually crowd decides to come up with a

01:42:42.680 theory that we try okay and so this is something with that it is the firm conviction of the

01:42:53.000 also true folk assembly that when trying to connect with our gods we reach up and try to

01:43:02.680 draw ourselves towards them by being the best we can be because we are reaching towards exalted

01:43:10.600 divinity we don't try to drag them down to be more like us because we are degenerate and so

01:43:19.160 we try to take their glory from them when the woefully mentally ill crowd on some other teams

01:43:28.280 suffer from mental illnesses that we see prevalent in our society today

01:43:32.920 they try to project those upon our gods yes and it's disgusting and it is

01:43:42.920 i don't know a word strong enough to explain how disgusting it is and how wrong it is um

01:43:50.680 Um, I have many failings.

01:43:54.540 I would never want to project any of them on our gods.

01:44:00.000 It is a thought at the front of my mind every day.

01:44:05.940 And before I open my mouth, is this going to bring honor to our gods or do I risk offending them in some way?

01:44:14.300 Because I believe in our gods.

01:44:15.960 And I think that a lot of people out there, the mentally ill crowd, that's obvious to I think everybody listening to this stream, but the other crowd that approaches this atheistically and academically sometimes don't stop to give that thought.

01:44:40.360 And I think it's important to think on and to realize that that's where our priesthood, our Gothar are coming from and how we do the things we do and why we do the things we do.

01:44:50.980 can i make mention just to orientate for people that might not know when you're talking about

01:44:57.580 the mentally ill crowd i'm sure some of our folk or you know people that are listening may have

01:45:02.040 seen uh um you know if you're looking up i i iconography of the gods uh artistry um of the

01:45:10.520 gods um which i have another story about that this is this is a good one but um you know when

01:45:16.260 you look around and you see i i've seen it numerous times there's a a calendar uh apparently

01:45:23.000 in which the gods are kind of contorted into pinup but they're they're masculine but they're

01:45:30.520 posing as pinup girls in in positioning and uh it gets pretty uh like what are you what are you

01:45:39.580 what are you doing here at this point i think they're just insulting people who believe in the

01:45:43.240 gods um but they swear up and down that they're this is just part of their religious expression

01:45:48.840 and then i've also seen ones where of course uh lord tier is because of his sacrifice of his hand

01:45:56.520 he is somehow a representative of um what disabled people because of his amputation he is um

01:46:05.560 you know, against ableism. And then they have, you know, Lady Sif, one of the,

01:46:13.280 one of the Austvenir of Thor. She's a clearly dark and skinned, like a Middle Eastern woman,

01:46:22.820 and she's wearing a hijab because of her hair being removed in the story in which Loki, 0.87

01:46:29.800 removes her hair and

01:46:32.760 is replaced with gold

01:46:34.220 and the treasures of the gods are kind of

01:46:36.640 won from that entire debacle.

01:46:39.240 But somehow they've associated this

01:46:40.760 with

01:46:41.580 hijabs?

01:46:44.240 I was like

01:46:46.120 mentally ill is the word

01:46:48.540 that you are using and it

01:46:50.580 fits wonderfully.

01:46:53.080 I just wanted people to realize

01:46:54.320 why we're saying that.

01:46:57.420 Yeah.

01:46:59.800 And just the thought that you would be crippled in some way, so you would try to limit others so they could share in your misfortune is extremely wrongheaded and selfish. And I don't understand why a person would do that unless they suffer from extreme mental illness.

01:47:18.400 completely dismissing the divine point of it to substantiate your political sociological

01:47:26.680 you know an ideological idea ridiculous you know i think that some of those people are in such

01:47:35.020 all right so this is a note on mental illness and society sometimes when

01:47:43.980 When something is broken internally and you are unwell and you don't want to fix the unwellness, but instead you seek to have something external help you pretend that that sickness doesn't exist, it's self-defeating.

01:48:07.780 Because even if you trick yourself into not thinking about it for a second, when you're alone in the quiet of your own personal space, what was broken is still broken.

01:48:20.080 Even if you get a bunch of people to tell the emperor that he's got beautiful new clothes, he's still naked.

01:48:28.020 And reality has a way of setting in.

01:48:30.660 So I think those people flail around to get to force as many people to accept their mental illness as possible, including trying to justify it by dismantling or degrading our gods, bringing them to their level.

01:48:47.020 And that's. That's extremely offensive.

01:48:54.380 Nick, can you throw up the next next rune poem for us?

01:49:00.660 all right it's fine help me with my old man eyes what are we looking at here this is the uh

01:49:16.400 i believe it's the old norse actually i've lost my screen right now for um but if it's two lines

01:49:23.260 and that's one way that anybody that's reading the rune poems can remember uh in the audience

01:49:28.160 you see it where it's written in two lines that's the norwegian one so i'm gonna roll the dice i

01:49:33.040 think this is that tear is one-handed god often has the smith to blow yes so this is the norwegian

01:49:42.640 one i don't get any great meaning out of this one um do you have any thoughts on the the part about

01:49:51.840 the smith swan yes i think well it's in relation to keeping the light keeping the heat of the forge

01:49:59.520 takes vigilance so there's clearly a connection between lord tier as the sacrifice that he made

01:50:07.600 is the one of the waves in which the gods have made uh towards the vigilance of keeping chaos

01:50:14.160 at bay for as long as they possibly can i think that that's what that's poetically is saying is

01:50:20.880 that the smithy has to blow on the fire to keep that lit and it's it's a it's an arduous duty

01:50:28.320 but is necessary in order to to achieve the victory and the outcome so it's it's one of

01:50:33.680 those things in which like where uh so willow is a rune of victory kind of after you cross the line

01:50:41.760 uh i would say like tiwaz in relation to victory is about all the training and all of the sacrifice

01:50:48.880 that is is made in order to get across that line so one thing i think it also speaks to

01:50:54.480 is that that entropy you have to blow on the coals to keep them hot

01:51:00.880 um if you just let it sit it doesn't just go forever you have to keep injecting

01:51:10.400 through right action through the gift cycle through things or else things wither over time

01:51:17.520 there's always this tendency towards entropy it's one of the biggest things in our faith

01:51:22.320 is the idea of continuing in perpetual motion to stay one step ahead of the wolf one step ahead of

01:51:28.240 that entropy that drags us down vigilance is essential it's also part of why this stream is

01:51:34.560 named victory never sleeps just because you win something you you know you find yourself on top

01:51:39.440 doesn't mean you just sit there you have to keep feeding that fire you have to keep sustaining and

01:51:46.080 and being vigilant and you have to tend the flame.

01:51:55.380 Nick, do you have the other one for us?

01:52:11.860 All right, Tyr is a guiding star.

01:52:16.080 well does it keep faith with princes it is ever on its course over the mists of night and never fails

01:52:28.720 this association spawn touched on it earlier being celestial being associated with the pole

01:52:36.640 star that's a constant that's the one thing that stays constant to navigate by that's how we

01:52:44.240 We know our directionality.

01:52:47.380 That's how mariners know instinctively how to navigate their ships based on that fixed north point that certainly symbolically never changes.

01:53:03.960 That symbolism we see and we make use of a lot and will be made use of at Lord Tears Hoff when we establish that.

01:53:12.940 um and i think it i think it speaks speaks to the cosmic order and through the idea of revolving

01:53:21.980 around a central axis in a very special way do you have thoughts on that yeah then i mean you

01:53:30.500 hit it right on the head and there is again a worth noting an extra point is um that we see

01:53:38.220 that uh if we if we look at comparative groups like say the the uh the hindus in which their

01:53:46.400 relation to deus pater and then from deus pater and um there's there's this assigning of the

01:53:56.340 tripartite uh and then kind of a falling away of of the deus pater um uh figure we see this

01:54:05.780 I think surviving in our faith through, of course, there is Buri who is firstly shaped, but is still within the primordial realms, but it is Bor, the one who lifts up, and the one who presents, and then there is Besla, the one who sets things down, besetting the table.

01:54:23.700 from these two, we find the gods proceed out. And the trifurcation of the sky is an interesting

01:54:32.760 thing that seems to happen continuously. And so I think a lot of people are desperately trying to

01:54:38.320 place, you know, singularity on just like one sky aspect, you know, one sky father, that's it.

01:54:47.900 But understanding that the dominion of the leadership of the gods, it's wise to delegate out this, again, the responsibility and becoming a kind of a force that is multifaceted is deeply important.

01:55:07.460 And I think that this poem relates to one of those kind of facetings, the idea of what the North Star is, is more important than perhaps the literalness of the North Star, but that Tir is that axis mundi, he's the stabilization, he is, you know, the one that kind of, again, bridges or supports between the middle world and the upper heavens.

01:55:32.620 Um, and by no means in any way, does that take away from any of the other gods or, or especially

01:55:39.060 Lord Odin. Um, but you know, it's, again, it clearly states a point in which there is,

01:55:45.980 and there is enough evidence. I mean, obviously we have, uh, you know, Tuesday and then Woven's

01:55:53.620 day or Wednesday and Thursday, we see again that tripartite. And we noticed that, uh, like amongst

01:55:59.700 the Swedes in Uppsala, they actually had Lord Frey in their tripartite and did not have Lord

01:56:10.800 Tyr. And that may have been just the timing of the year. It could be harvest. We don't know.

01:56:17.400 The idea of structuring the tripartite, I think, is more important than the specific gods that

01:56:25.620 take those thrones um and we see that differently in different uh it's like mirroring aryan cultures

01:56:32.900 whether it's the the tribe you know the trimurti or the tridevi and sometimes you know it extends

01:56:38.020 even to the goddesses uh in those cultures um but we again we see it and people immediately think

01:56:46.340 um you know if tuesday's before wednesday then tear is more important than woe then

01:56:51.780 That's not, you know, the middle seating of the tripartite in Uppsala had Thor in the middle, and he was flanked by Odin and Frey.

01:57:02.080 There seems to be a sense of the middle, and we know that with the Germans wanting to change it to Mitvalk, I think that Odin has a great significance within the entirety.

01:57:13.260 I mean, by that logic, that would mean the sun and the moon are more important than the gods themselves.

01:57:18.480 And they don't really kind of fully cross that argumentative bridge.

01:57:22.580 But it's worth noting that Tyr is significant amongst our ancestors.

01:57:28.240 And to, again, kind of just relegate him.

01:57:31.100 Oh, he's the son of Odin, and he's a war god.

01:57:35.840 And moving on, you know, it's like, what? Stop doing this.

01:57:41.760 But, um, the, uh, yes, I think that that's, is, is extremely important. Even amongst the

01:57:48.660 Anglo-Saxons, this rune is called Tiw, or, or, or Tiw, depending on, I don't know. I've heard

01:57:54.980 people argue about the W, T-I-W, um, is how they spell Tiw, uh, or Tiw, and, um, or sometimes

01:58:05.560 people say um the uh the significance of tuesday wednesday thursday i think is important and it's

01:58:13.640 still important to us culturally so that's why i associate this tripartite but i it's worth noting

01:58:20.440 that again the nords in in sweden who had deep connections to lord frey um and and to the to the

01:58:28.920 more natural law gods of cycles um placed him within the tripartite

01:58:37.640 for their structuring and i think that that's again people might get confused well like what

01:58:42.920 you guys are saying we shouldn't put the gods in these certain places i think it's worth remembering

01:58:47.080 that these the the thrones are um more or less cultural connections and the gods fulfill the

01:58:56.040 interaction based on the desire of the folk, that any of the gods could move into those thrones

01:59:02.100 as Odin could be just as much a god of death as he can be a wish giver and a giver of prosperity.

01:59:07.980 Those thrones that we place out, just like the gods deads on our altars, the divine powers

01:59:13.340 kind of fill those thrones and those thrones are more our cultural expressions, what we might

01:59:19.980 associate with, uh, fertility and harvest. I mean, obviously Thor has lots of connections

01:59:26.840 to fertility just as much as Lord Frey. So, you know, it's, it's, it's not a, it's not a one for

01:59:34.260 one. I think people are desperately trying to, uh, you know, Teratatis equals Zeus equals Thor

01:59:41.540 or Odin equals Zeus equals, um, uh, Shiva, but, or, or Ag, you know, Agni is, is Zeus is Thor.

01:59:52.700 I've seen people trying to really do that. And they're, they're, they're basically taking the

01:59:58.220 furniture, the thrones of our different cultures and stating that the gods, uh, that have fulfilled

02:00:05.900 those thrones um are unilaterally equally connected with that and but yet will it readily

02:00:13.740 admit our languages have changed our desires our warfare has changed you know all of these things

02:00:18.960 change and so those thrones are divine uh precipices that we we we uh place upon the

02:00:26.320 gods and we we see this still surviving with of course like cleat scalp um for for um lord

02:00:33.600 and his relation to you know uh witnessing battles and things of that nature so we yeah i think it's

02:00:42.300 i just i digress i think that there's a lot more of an emphasis that we should uh place with respect

02:00:47.460 to lord tier and that no way seems to take away from any of the other gods and we have plenty of

02:00:52.900 observational proof showing that our ancestors did this without the concept of well if you honor

02:01:00.040 you know uh thor i i saw somebody even mention that um one of the haiti of of uh

02:01:07.820 odin is thunderer so thor is really odin and i was like now we're getting into this kind of like

02:01:15.900 again encapsulation of the gods into just kind of an archetypal ring of a one lord and a one lady

02:01:23.060 and it just gets really dangerous and i don't think that's the one that's not the fate that

02:01:27.660 our ancestors passed down to us. And even though it is fragmented, we still should lead with

02:01:34.020 the observable concepts of common sense. Well, so I'm going to keep expanding. So

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02:02:47.140 that the AFA does with the best intention

02:02:50.240 of building Alcetru and honoring our gods.

02:02:54.860 So that said,

02:02:58.720 one of the logical things that confuses me,

02:03:04.480 so the well actually is,

02:03:08.040 everything revolves around the, you know,

02:03:13.780 few utterings of ancient Viking people.

02:03:17.140 but they conceive of our gods in this ridiculously book nerd scholarly way.

02:03:29.640 I wonder in their mind if they conceptualize, you know,

02:03:34.480 the supposed be-all-end-all-avows-the-true ancient Vikings sitting around

02:03:39.820 and talking about how all the gods are really just one god

02:03:44.560 because you see that there's a sky father and that's the only one they're gonna do they really

02:03:49.360 picture ancient vikings having that conversation or do they think that our ancestors addressed our

02:03:55.520 gods as gods and worshiped them because i think even the most rudimentary understanding of of

02:04:04.720 anthropology says that no people in gave heavily of themselves when they could not and were in need

02:04:12.240 to honor gods that they believed existed and heard them.

02:04:19.280 It's just a thought.

02:04:20.580 It's really hard to be the atheist academic approach to our faith,

02:04:29.060 but at the same time revere ancient sources like they're the most important

02:04:35.080 because the most ancient sources were,

02:04:37.260 the gods were perhaps the most real to the most ancient of sources.

02:04:42.240 Yeah, so one more thing on this. I'd like to go to the Arminen Association of Tyr. The

02:04:53.920 Tyr rune goes with the 12th of Odin's rune songs. A 12th I know, if a tree should hold

02:05:04.340 a man in a halter hanged i can cut and color the runes that the man will walk with me the man will

02:05:13.940 talk with me so this is kind of a cool one and it's a spooky spell of of necromancy in a way

02:05:23.060 of reanimating a hanged man and having that person speak with you and interact with you

02:05:30.260 from beyond the veil or bodily re-animate beyond the veil and do these things um and i think it's

02:05:41.380 really interesting and i'm curious spawn's thoughts on this okay so the number of the of the uh the

02:05:50.020 rune's song um is you said was it uh 16 12. 12 okay i'm sorry i didn't hear that too there was

02:06:01.140 some movement in the background so if we're you know we're looking here one two three four five

02:06:06.420 six seven eight eleven twelve yeah so here we're looking at i think with in relation to

02:06:14.260 tir or just the tir rune, I, you know, I'm wondering if there's more along the understanding

02:06:24.240 of the hanged man, perhaps as his reasonings for being hung. And I think that there might be an

02:06:31.020 emphasis more on that in the idea of the punishment, if you will, or the culmination

02:06:37.760 of deed and perhaps that deed leading to being um hung is a a kind of correlative sense between the

02:06:47.280 idea of like the accumulation of deeds leading here this this root releases knowledge the

02:06:54.640 understanding of all the things that led this person into into that state because i i i obviously

02:07:02.320 do not really associate tier rune with like you know necromancy if you will but more or less about

02:07:10.320 a culmination of dharmic actions being expressed or or at least in in a kind of a cathartic sense

02:07:18.080 it's being sliced open to be reviewed so i i see this rune in especially in relation to this poem

02:07:24.720 as that the rune itself is kind of like a key that unlocks the cumulative action of this

02:07:33.780 hanged man. And that I think the hanged man has emphasis on cumulative action. How did, you know,

02:07:41.840 people don't usually end up on the ends of ropes accidentally. So I think that this is kind of

02:07:49.220 more or less pertaining to a kind of a finality of all the deeds leading. Perhaps this rune is

02:07:56.020 utilized to kind of, again, place it upon someone or something and see the entirety of its

02:08:03.140 formulation to its end. And even after it has been laid or inert, it can then be re-evaluated

02:08:12.860 or re-seen, and that takes place in this rune poem as, you know, again, speaking to the dead

02:08:20.560 man after the hanging. And that's how I've taken that rune poem.

02:08:31.280 That's really interesting because my mind goes to

02:08:35.000 the necromancy concept much more than through the criminality of the dude got hung

02:08:43.240 um i can't say that i've got the most definitive answer on this but it is one that i've i've often

02:08:53.940 pondered and found very interesting especially when i was first learning the armin and runes

02:09:01.380 as related to Odin's rune poems, or rune songs.

02:09:10.080 Whether this is the point or not,

02:09:12.200 I think there is a truth in this

02:09:16.440 that the Axis Mundi, the Ermensoul,

02:09:21.440 Mundi, the ermine soul, that pole that connects from the heavens to the earth to the underworld

02:09:36.440 is what connects us with our gods in the same way it connects us with the dead. It connects

02:09:43.040 us through the planes of existence and in that sense understanding that and ordering things in

02:09:51.840 alignment with that is a path towards bringing you wisdom from the dead and i think that that's

02:10:01.200 true whether or not that's the intention of the poem or not um but yeah i found that one really

02:10:06.960 interesting and i figured that uh we would speak on that and i did want to bring up something you

02:10:14.240 said about um about the ermine soul and the axis mundi and a lot of things um in relation to when

02:10:21.760 we're looking at comparative when we talk about divinity and we're trying to pattern an understanding

02:10:28.400 of the gods amongst the multiple branches the ermine soul the the mountain the mount olympus or

02:10:34.960 the kind of the central accesses is you know sometimes seen as a tree we talked about this

02:10:40.480 with uh iwa's rune about the the nordic usage of the ash tree as to the possibility that there may

02:10:46.640 have been an older association with that axis mundi to the to the yew tree and how that doesn't

02:10:54.240 uh cause necessarily contradiction but shows um more cultural uh emphasis in relation to

02:11:01.440 to the axis mundi itself, being the central force or power, but can be manifested in an ash tree,

02:11:10.740 or a pillar, or a mountain, or what have you, amongst different branches. And I think that's

02:11:20.200 really important. The reason why I brought up the tripartite thing is because we can observe that

02:11:27.240 cleanly amongst all those branches when we see, uh, amongst the, uh, original Araya kind of coming

02:11:33.140 into India, uh, the, um, uh, of Agni and of, or excuse me, of, of, um, Indra and Agni and Vishnu.

02:11:42.840 And then, you know, we kind of see with like, uh, with, uh, Deus or Deus and, uh, you know,

02:11:52.420 posadan um and or or or neptune um we see these tripartites being kind of culturally related

02:12:00.660 and i think sometimes stories don't always line up with like snapshots of the of the cultural thrones

02:12:06.820 or you know with the um with the etruscans and they they ended up having in their tripartite

02:12:12.420 of significance they they they really placed on their central uh lord but with two wives

02:12:19.380 the the birthing mother wife and the earth mother and they were seen as separate much like i again

02:12:26.340 we spoke about that where people are trying to kind of condense uh the the the all mother that

02:12:32.180 freka into uh yours or nerthis and not seeing them as is is uh individuals um it's it's you know

02:12:41.780 it's worth noting that these these structures i think have always been based around and this is

02:12:48.020 is just my conception based on Dumazelle's tripartite or triparate structuring that I

02:12:57.280 think it applies to a lot of things. And I think that that dynamicism and stasis and

02:13:02.380 catalysem is really important. And we can see it play out, even though I think the gods

02:13:09.700 who are real oftentimes fit those thrones differently in different branches of the Aryan

02:13:15.900 faith. And when we see these things, you know, we see like Jupiter or Zeus with the lightning

02:13:25.780 bolt, but we look at the Etruscans who are also Indo-Europeans and all of the gods can throw

02:13:31.080 lightning amongst them. They kind of allocate it as a divine sword or divine power. So it's just,

02:13:38.180 it's interesting for us to observe. I do not think that we should delineate away from our

02:13:42.580 our people our germanic view and framework of this um it's just worth noting because now we know

02:13:51.020 we have the ability with the internet to to kind of see all of these interconnections and we see

02:13:56.200 how hinduism has changed where the the trimurti goes from you know agni and indra agni and vishnu

02:14:02.400 to you know to brahma and to uh shiva and to vishnu and it kind of starts to change and then

02:14:08.600 brahma recedes and and there's there's um the gods don't cease to exist when the people stop

02:14:16.360 interacting but the thrones do change we see that through all the branches often and i i think that

02:14:23.560 the the gods don't take offense to this it's very much like uh if your your society is like a house

02:14:31.320 or your nation is like a house and you invite specific gods in for specific you know uh wisdom

02:14:39.320 and guidance and certain things that you need because every house has different issues then

02:14:44.440 you're going to invite the gods and have them sit at your table and ask for their advice based on

02:14:53.240 uh kind of your needs if you will so that's one thing i wanted to bring up you you mentioned the

02:14:58.760 ermensel and i was like well the ermensel or the their sill or or or the mountain these these images

02:15:05.000 are all uh very very different but yet still we know it's such a core truth of our people since

02:15:12.040 the very beginning right um so john for one dollar says glad you got the stream kinks ironed out

02:15:19.400 returning viewer love the new look well i appreciate that i'm glad you guys like it

02:15:23.640 we're going to continue to refine it thank you john and then beyond the blacksmith with a

02:15:28.200 interesting question he blew the victory horn for thirty dollars i appreciate that

02:15:33.800 can one give steroids as a libation especially to thor or should we only give mead what would

02:15:41.400 be wrong to give so questions that seem odd i'm always going to treat as if they are

02:15:50.760 intended in a literal way unless i know otherwise just because i think it's useful um the answer

02:15:59.640 that i come up with i think is useful and maybe useful to other people listen um

02:16:08.520 so thor's not gonna inject the steroids that you give him he's also not gonna drink the

02:16:16.840 mead that you offer the point is the piety with which you give the offering and the thought and

02:16:26.200 essence that you put into it in that sense i suppose a syringe of steroids is a fluid that

02:16:36.920 could transmit that but it's certainly a very irregular thing to do um if it's medication that

02:16:44.360 you need i don't think that thor wants you to sacrifice your health in order to give him an

02:16:53.000 offering of a medication that you need if it is not medicinal and it is you know you are in a

02:17:00.840 nation where it's not a legally approved thing the astral folk assembly does not encourage you to

02:17:06.680 engage in any illegality uh no matter what that is um but realistically it's just real strange

02:17:13.800 that's a very atypical uh thing to thing to suggest um when you but further to your

02:17:21.800 question and i think the more important thing is what would be wrong to offer

02:17:30.920 i go back to the same thing it's the intention of the offering if you're being silly with your

02:17:38.520 friends, and you are treating it as something silly that you are doing, then any offering you

02:17:46.080 make is a disrespect and shouldn't be done. If it's some kind of party game with you and your

02:17:52.840 buddies, or if you and your edgy movement friends want to do something cool and edgy, but it's not

02:18:00.620 done as an actual offering to gods that you at least give good faith to the fact that you

02:18:06.360 want to believe they exist, then no, it shouldn't be done because it's disrespectful. It's not

02:18:12.200 given in a sincere way. I think if you're giving in a sincere way, offerings might look very

02:18:18.360 different depending on who the person is. Again, if I went and in crayon drew some stick figures

02:18:26.160 and gave it to Mandy as a gift, she'd probably wad it up and throw it at me and wonder what I was

02:18:33.840 thinking if aubrey did it she'd probably think it was the most beautiful amazing thing in the world

02:18:40.480 one thing coming from a child is very different coming from an adult man

02:18:45.600 um a gift coming from a king looks very different than a gift coming from a farmer

02:18:54.640 so the gift can take many many different forms what i do so this is this is something that i do

02:19:02.400 think i don't think water is appropriate i mean maybe in some really particular sense that it's

02:19:12.080 water that you got from a sacred river or some sacred spring or something perhaps but the it

02:19:21.680 needs to be something special it's just like the idea of you know if you're going to host a banquet

02:19:29.840 or you know or a wedding dinner you're not going to serve your guests water they can have water

02:19:34.400 if they want but that's not going to be the beverage that's on the menu you want to do

02:19:39.360 something special and putting your best foot forward perhaps making an offering of water if

02:19:45.760 you are in a desert in the middle of a drought maybe that means something different again

02:19:53.280 context is everything. But that's what I would say to that. Svon, do you have any thoughts of

02:20:00.720 offering gear or juice to the gods? Well, I mean, I think first off, it's understandable for us to

02:20:10.480 say, wow, that's a very odd or strange question. And we can certainly contextualize it in an

02:20:19.280 overall thing when we talk about um you know gifting of mead that we brewed or we bought

02:20:26.320 uh this this is a um uh you know a sacrifice it is a gift uh you know sometimes the the mead that

02:20:32.880 is bought is not even drunk it may be sipped once but entirely given over to the gods um as

02:20:38.240 a kind of a sharing uh and this can apply to again when we talk about our our ancestors giving uh

02:20:44.720 weapons if you will like breaking weapons and gifting them kind of killing the weapon in order

02:20:50.960 to give over its significance its meaning it's and its power um as opposed to just thinking that

02:20:57.760 the gods are like oh thanks for this uh sweet you know folding knife um it's it's when you

02:21:06.080 carry on down that i think the way you contextualize it is that there has to be thought

02:21:11.120 into the gifting of it if it's medication of course uh well i have a great need for this

02:21:17.760 medication swan so giving a piece of it up is like giving you know a very uh

02:21:26.720 significant thing um or like giving meat or milk during you know times of famine or times of great

02:21:35.120 bounty um the these are all those two is as examples as gifts given um i i you know personally

02:21:44.480 would say that i think that's one of the better parts of the reason why we sort of correlate

02:21:49.760 towards mead perhaps food items but we we seem to really focus in around uh the the libational

02:21:57.840 fluid whether it's it's it's an alcoholic drink like mead or perhaps even an unalcoholic

02:22:03.600 drink like cider that we make or cider that we buy but uh for reasons you know and that doesn't

02:22:09.920 mean that the cider is less than the mead but those are i think more um catch all it covers more

02:22:20.480 of the central point than anything else though you know um situation dictates in a kind of sense

02:22:29.600 i would say again i i think that alzheimer's speaks with great wisdom when you talk about a

02:22:34.080 medicinal thing if you're if you're you know and that's an interesting topic in and of itself is

02:22:38.800 is a uh testosterone in the modern age and and all of that stuff um but you know giving that i think

02:22:47.040 is perhaps unnecessary because one of the reasons that i thought of immediately is

02:22:53.360 I remember discussing about physicality, like going to the gym and doing that as a part

02:23:00.440 of your giving, because giving of your time and your effort in order to make yourself

02:23:06.920 better and to bring glory to the gods is in essence, the entirety of the process in a

02:23:15.520 way.

02:23:16.320 And so I think that if you're doing this for your mental health or your emotional health

02:23:23.240 or, or your physical health. If we're talking about like the juice, if you will, um, the ultimate

02:23:29.640 point of that, I think is that you're, you're, you're supplementing yourself to make yourself

02:23:35.400 better or stronger. And there are, of course, lots of health issues that we could bring up and all of

02:23:40.900 that stuff. And even modern day societal views of testosterone and, and, and steroidal, uh,

02:23:47.640 supplementations and all of that. And we're not even getting into that. It's just the ideas that

02:23:51.620 But I think it would be better served that instead of giving coal from the furnace to the gods, in essence, that's kind of what you're doing, is to utilize the coal, to build the heat, to take the time to forge out the gift, whatever that might be.

02:24:15.400 and so i i would view this more as a component towards a goal and i think that's where that

02:24:22.780 should be is that again on spawn's forge analogy i want to interject because i've got a couple of

02:24:30.840 thoughts lined up and i'm gonna lose them if i don't put them out there i don't intend to be

02:24:34.360 rude, I apologize. We have to take this first, we need to recognize the etymology of the

02:24:49.800 word sacrifice. Sacrifice today on the street means to give something up for something else.

02:25:00.380 But that's not what the word means

02:25:04.460 The word means to make something holy

02:25:08.420 When you take something from the world of the mundane

02:25:11.860 And you ritually offer it to the gods

02:25:17.820 It transitions from the mundane to the sacred

02:25:21.420 That act of sacrifice

02:25:25.300 Now yes, we all have used it

02:25:27.580 The word has evolved

02:25:29.340 it comes from a good place and it's not incorrect to talk about people who

02:25:36.220 you know give up a lot or you know at great cost to themselves do something for a cause

02:25:43.420 they believe in that's fine but i think we've got to go back to the fundamentals of gift giving

02:25:51.100 if mandy were to give me some and and okay maybe it's different because we share

02:25:56.620 household expenses if swan were to give me something very expensive

02:26:05.260 cool i would be impressed by that and appreciative of it

02:26:09.500 but if i knew it put him at a hardship or his family at a hardship i wouldn't

02:26:14.460 because swan's my friend and i want his family to succeed i'm not benefited by an act of damage to

02:26:22.460 him and his family it doesn't help me perhaps if a bus was coming you know if somebody was charging

02:26:29.660 at me and swan threw himself in the way and sacrificed himself for me that's a different

02:26:34.940 story because there's a dire need for something but the gods don't want you to hurt yourself

02:26:41.660 you know if swan dug deep and gave me something expensive i would appreciate that if swan you know

02:26:48.860 cut off his arm and gave it to me i would be very very concerned and that wouldn't make me happy at

02:26:56.700 all um so that said i'm in and i say that not to be silly i kind of exaggerate it but there are

02:27:05.340 people that feel for different things i i don't know any people certainly not in the afa but there

02:27:12.620 There are people in other religious circles that think there's some benefit to damaging themselves as a way of honoring the gods, to mutilating themselves or hurting themselves in some way.

02:27:25.420 And I don't think our gift cycle is a, at best, a loving relationship between us and our gods, at least a respectful relationship of Lord and retainer or, you know, God and their folk.

02:27:45.200 They don't desire you to suffer to make a point to them about something.

02:27:51.860 and and I think that's really important to conceptualize on it the other thing in terms of

02:27:59.200 gift giving Svan could give me something that's just a big dollar value that I don't particularly

02:28:06.880 care about but it's very expensive in one way that's flashy and impressive but I would much

02:28:12.800 more appreciate something that meant something to me or that meant something to Svan that was

02:28:19.920 special for him to give to me as opposed to just like hey matt i looked on the thing for the most

02:28:25.840 expensive thing i could find here you go bling bling that's not nearly as meaningful as hey

02:28:33.280 this was handed down through my family this is very important when i think of this i thought of

02:28:38.080 you because of this here you go that's very special the same's true of our gods you know or

02:28:46.480 hey, we're doing a sacrifice. We don't really have anything. Cool. Let's just use water. It

02:28:50.280 doesn't matter. We're pouring it out anyway. That attitude's terrible. And that gift is literally

02:28:56.460 worthless. So that's very different to, hey, we literally have nothing. We're homeless and I'm in

02:29:04.840 the desert and we have some water. Let's pour some out as an offering. That becomes very meaningful.

02:29:12.220 So context is the key to all of those things.

02:29:18.220 I'd like to move on to some of our questions because we're getting pretty backed up tonight.

02:29:22.780 Also a reminder, if you want to blow that horn and ask a question, I will jump right in as quick as I can without derailing the conversation too bad.

02:29:30.400 But the next question from 630, where does the Black Sun come from?

02:29:41.220 I'm having trouble finding examples predating the one from Babelsberg that looked the same.

02:29:47.520 I've seen some that have five to six arms, but not so much that have 12.

02:29:57.880 That's because you're not going to find the one that is perfectly identical to Babelsberg.

02:30:04.380 um just like honestly people who have tried to copy that copy it wrong and make a different

02:30:14.140 one that is slightly different than the black sun at labelsburg um designs evolve but the concept

02:30:22.760 is very clearly seen in germanic european archaeology we've seen that um

02:30:30.400 um the uh alamani had these solar discs and brooches that were very much in a clearly

02:30:42.160 identifiable pattern that's very simple or very that's obviously the same with different number

02:30:50.080 of spokes the 12 comes around when we start focusing on solar things 12 is a very solar

02:30:57.380 number. It's the number of months that we have. We see that imagery used much more as our people,

02:31:04.440 specifically the Germanic people, have that firm grasp of the seasons and start seeing things in

02:31:11.360 terms of 12 months. And I think you see that very well in the version that we do see in the

02:31:19.540 Babelsberg Castle. But you see the same symbol in its developmental stages in very ancient

02:31:28.140 archaeology. And it wouldn't surprise me if, you know, perhaps we will find one that has 12 spokes

02:31:33.360 at some point when we have a more complete view of the past. Who's to say? But the concept is

02:31:40.200 clearly there. Do you have anything to add on those or on that spot? Yeah, I would even go so

02:31:47.980 for us to remind people too, that the, the, the word is a, is a later addition. I think it came

02:31:56.020 out, you know, long after World War II in its referencing as, as being, you know, the, the black

02:32:06.760 sun. And again, these, these, the symbology, I think a lot of people nowadays have a conception

02:32:16.220 of a symbol and they hold on to that conception and apply it to everything and you know we see

02:32:21.740 again the the four arms the eight arms the the 12 arms and it it could mean a lot of different

02:32:30.220 things to a lot of different people in relation to that um obviously the spicy one is the 12 or the

02:32:36.140 four but we have seen you know even the goths having um in their metallurgic uh you know things

02:32:44.380 there they have um you know uh six eight uh possibly for different reasons and reasons that

02:32:51.900 we don't quite know um but in relation to i think our usage and especially i i prefer to call it this

02:32:59.900 the son and rod the you know the just the the sun wheel um in and of itself is because again

02:33:07.660 conceptualizing the 12 if you split the futhark the elder futhark in half there's 12 and 12.

02:33:14.380 Um, if anybody like, and we had mentioned about runic cosmology and the idea of Nigel Pennock's books in relation to why the Elder Futhark is the one that he preferred to use is because of his correlation of the understanding of the 12 hours or the 12, uh, you know, the 12 and 12 hours of, um, the splitting the day, uh, and the night in half.

02:33:37.560 um this again comes from an evolution of understanding not to say that it was carried

02:33:45.080 by all in that understanding but is he utilizing it for an understanding for himself and possibly

02:33:51.480 for everyone reading his his works in order to conceptualize yes absolutely you know we we pull

02:33:59.160 our the the list of our house from the guild beginning and in there there is the mention of

02:34:05.500 the 12 gods. And that correlates with us as the 12 holidays. And then we also see it with the

02:34:12.620 attainment of the 12 Hoffs. We're moving to that and building a significance with that.

02:34:23.400 I think that that's the only thing. Everything you said was dead on. I just wanted to bring

02:34:29.020 that up that even, even the name itself is, is a, an addition of conceptualization, um, from

02:34:36.280 different people far after, you know, the 1930s or 1940s, uh, in relation to different ideas and

02:34:43.500 things that they're thinking about in certain esoteric circle have taken it in a different

02:34:47.460 meaning. Um, and I, I, I think it has a meaning with our, within our culture in significance to

02:34:54.080 the gods and in significance to the heroes and those who have been divinely touched or have

02:35:01.440 worked in the mass of nations towards furthering the knowledge of the gods. You know, we see that

02:35:09.000 again, again, in our, in our, the symbology of our flags and, and the way that it can be utilized

02:35:15.940 again, as radiance, as light, as a cultural significance of light. And that might be a kind

02:35:23.760 of a contradiction to some esoteric concepts of the black sun, um, or that it is, you know,

02:35:30.340 the, the, the sun behind the sun or, or something of that nature. Um, so I, I, I would say that

02:35:38.300 there's no way that we could place the origin because it has been with us since the runes

02:35:45.860 have been given to us. And as we expounded in the bronze age and talked about that earlier,

02:35:51.680 You know, these symbols have long been with us, whether it's the equal armed cross in the circle or the crookst ray 4, 6, 8, 12.

02:36:04.420 um yeah to to name an exact origin point is nigh impossible but to explain

02:36:12.500 the iterations and their meanings within the context of a time is easier to do um especially

02:36:19.680 in lieu of like writing and things like that we don't know a lot from the uh archaeological finds

02:36:26.580 All right.

02:36:31.560 Our next question from about 645.

02:36:37.740 Would you say Midgard is Earth or is Midgard the entire observable universe?

02:36:44.320 Did our ancestors think of Midgard as Earth or the universe at large?

02:36:48.700 The second half is much easier

02:36:58.240 No, I don't think our ancestors conceived of the universe at large

02:37:02.180 In that way as far as planetary surfaces

02:37:04.760 In other places, obviously they could see stars

02:37:08.620 And nebula and planets on a perfect day

02:37:13.460 And the sun and the moon

02:37:15.280 I don't think, you know

02:37:18.700 it's it's easy to speculate on what our ancestors thought those were but i think

02:37:26.540 i think we missed the point when we try to make our myth an expression of

02:37:34.460 the current scientific understanding of 2023 they weren't meant as a textbook on physics they were

02:37:44.300 meant as a descriptive way of illustrating the truths of our existence to our ancestors

02:37:53.940 and passing those truths down through society in ways that we can understand.

02:38:03.420 Now, what the gods conceive of as Midgard or not, that's a bigger question.

02:38:08.520 And I think that it's interesting to ponder, but I don't think it becomes relevant until we're on the surface of other planets.

02:38:18.200 I think maybe, you know, Neil Armstrong on the moon had a reasonable idea to ponder, you know, hey, am I still on Midgard?

02:38:26.720 but i think that for the rest of us certainly for our ancient ancestors that are so far

02:38:35.520 away from the space age i don't think it was really a relevant thing that they gave much

02:38:40.740 thought to it was the world has encompassed their existence and you know there was their

02:38:49.120 there was several different ideas of their inner yard there was like the world that they had

02:38:55.040 explored and then there's all those scary things out there that they had not explored

02:38:59.440 and i think that you can extend that into space and off into eternity there was this is stuff we

02:39:07.540 know the rest is the other and in that sense you know the other maybe maybe outer space is

02:39:16.060 jotunheim until we conquer planets and bring that into our inner yard um i don't know i think it's

02:39:23.940 interesting to ponder and i don't mean to belittle the question at all i just think that it's a

02:39:31.220 you know it's like trying to

02:39:40.580 it's it's a historical it's taking our modern understanding of things that was

02:39:45.220 beyond the beyond the understanding of our ancestors and assuming that they would ponder

02:39:52.260 things in those terms that i don't think they would like what did the answer what would the

02:39:56.900 ancestors think about our broadcast tonight i really don't know it'd probably blow their minds

02:40:03.540 if i went back in time and showed this to me when i was 10 it would blow my mind um so it's really

02:40:10.580 it's really hard to say it's fine what do you think along those lines well cosmology is really

02:40:16.500 important and i i've thought long and hard about a lot of this and i'll answer kind of just the

02:40:22.580 same way you did like the second half to the to the former or yeah to the former ladder to the

02:40:27.620 former um one thing it's worth conceptualizing is in the in the names in the poems of of our

02:40:34.980 ancestors when they talk about like him in bjork or they they talk about the heavenly mountains

02:40:40.660 I think that our ancestors saw the observable worlds as where they were as Midgarth.

02:40:48.140 When we talk about Dellingers Hall and the opening of the gates, what they're talking about is when what they might not have, say, understood scientifically, but we're clearly, you know, or they've been taught this in relation to the way that they observe things.

02:41:07.720 is, you know, the axis, like Dellinger's Hall is closing now in the Northern Hemisphere,

02:41:12.960 but is opening in the Southern Hemisphere. For those who were watching the last

02:41:16.560 episode of the, where we were talking about celebrating in accordance to being in the

02:41:23.080 Southern Hemisphere, like in Australia versus being in Germany. So I think our ancestors

02:41:29.880 saw the gods and Yggdrasil and the upper powers, the cosmic order, as being in that upper realm,

02:41:40.620 perhaps separated by a land of light. And this is, again, with Leo Salfheim, or perhaps a place

02:41:48.640 in which within the cloudy realm of light and etherealness, there's this separation between

02:41:56.340 the middle world where they're standing on this flat plane and the upper world where the gods

02:42:01.380 have set either in within either wall they build ausgarth and they build the walls and then those

02:42:07.480 walls are broken and uh they have to you know there's movement outside of ausgarth but still

02:42:13.560 within the upper realm and clearly there's mention of yggdrasil being in its own place

02:42:19.100 not necessarily like in the center of ausgarth but they travel to in that upper realm and so

02:42:28.360 i think our ancestors saw the the north when they to the north is the the edges of nevelheim

02:42:35.820 that misty place that that place that is cold and dark and it descends down um to the places below

02:42:43.560 And then beneath their feet, they saw Nidavellur in the land of Svartalfheim.

02:42:48.240 So again, this separation between the upper realm and the lower realm is always placed through a barrier realm.

02:42:57.380 And then they saw, you know, to the east, that was the realm of the primordial resistance, the primordial dissipative forces, Jotunheim.

02:43:07.340 And so the literalness of the east and the north or Muspelheim to the south clearly begins to lose its like sense when we know now about geography and things of that nature.

02:43:23.160 But yet the meaning of the realms does not change.

02:43:26.180 It's just that those directions are correlated with an understanding of our ancestry, seeing it as the observable point around them.

02:43:33.640 You know, to the north is Nivelheim. To the south is Muspelheim. To the west is Vanaheim and the land of life. And life is flowing into the middle world. And Jotunheim's, you know, kind of dissipated powers, whether it's the saliva of Fenris, you know, dripping in or just the Jotuns trying to intercede. And Lord Thor is there to kind of keep that balance.

02:43:59.880 if you think about our ancestors and seeing that and understanding it now we see the world in a

02:44:06.920 very different way but yet the realms can still remain because we you know the north is the

02:44:12.620 the direction that we have allocated to the primordial frozen the the proto matter of of

02:44:19.780 all creation and muspelheim is that cosmic you know radiation or the the the incendiary and

02:44:27.660 also igniting power of of creation and when those two forces come together everything in the middle

02:44:33.100 is is made and we see the gods living in a place above time and that time descends from them or

02:44:40.460 gravity or even the laws that are um cosmic and that's why we say you know in the heavenly realms

02:44:48.780 are above but descend down the cosmic order and that the natural law that we are intrinsically

02:44:55.500 tied to are involved within Midgarth and the encapsulating worlds that, that, um, surround

02:45:02.140 it, which is again, Nevelheim, Muspelheim, um, uh, Vanaheim and Jotunheim. And then the place

02:45:08.940 that's farthest away from the gods is a place away from time when things slow down, when things cease

02:45:15.500 to kind of work again within that order. And yet there are roots in every single level that draw

02:45:21.980 back up and i think that's really important i remember somebody i was uh talking with someone

02:45:27.500 and um they were proposing the idea that snorri stutluson and and um and uh simon that were

02:45:34.780 talking that they were trying to make yggdrasil fall on its side and that's why there's a root in

02:45:40.780 each of the levels um and they were they were really just sticking it to their ancestors

02:45:45.900 saying oh no the tree is dead and it's down on the ground and i thought that was like a crazy

02:45:50.780 conceptualization and a really kind of a reach. What I think really is, is that the understanding

02:45:57.840 of the source of the center of heavenly, that we, you know, where Him and Bjorg resides,

02:46:04.480 where Ausgard resides, where Ithavol resides, there is that center. And that center is,

02:46:09.580 is in our symbolic language is the tree, that tree with the roots that descend into

02:46:16.460 the unknown from the heavenly realm and then pop up in the other realms um is you know it's very

02:46:23.780 important that we we maintain that because again the placement of understanding when we talk about

02:46:30.300 like in the tripartite the catalystic god or like even with like hercules hercules traveled

02:46:36.240 laterally through the world you know with great deeds but the moment he stepped into the underworld

02:46:42.140 It was the devastating effect, the catalyst.

02:46:46.220 God does not step into the lower realms.

02:46:49.200 The same with the Slavs, with Perun.

02:46:52.440 Perun can go up and he can go out, but he should never step down.

02:46:57.060 And that's why Veles and the death kind of rising up against Perun.

02:47:03.300 We see that again over and over.

02:47:06.740 So cosmology is important.

02:47:09.040 And I think our ancestors saw that from the observable point of themselves outward and seeing things above them and seeing things below them or the things that were unseen.

02:47:21.460 But now what I have a tendency to see is that it's more based around the cosmic order that is descended from the gods.

02:47:30.580 whether that is, you could call it gravitation, you could call it radiation, and the interactions

02:47:37.800 of energies and matter seem to portend to the middle world. And we see that again with life

02:47:44.780 from Vanaheim and the dissipative resistance from Jotunheim. And those two factors flowing into

02:47:52.620 the material universe partake in specific actions. So I would argue too that perhaps the

02:48:02.540 Midgard is where life and resistance meet and where the cosmic order and the

02:48:11.180 kind of descendant aware dissipation from cosmic order define us as being encapsulated in the

02:48:17.980 garther in the middle and that's why midgard is encapsulated whereas ausgarth is in either water

02:48:25.180 and it is encapsulated by its wall or the divine encapsulation of the gods working from there um

02:48:33.340 is worth noting it's like the garther of of the heavenly abodes within either of all and within

02:48:41.340 the entirety of like the known cosmic laws that we have to abide by and so i have kind of perceived

02:48:51.180 that wherever the laws descend from in those realms from the gods and play out in the center

02:48:57.740 that is where you know niflheim muspelheim vanaheim and jotunheim all correlate in this

02:49:06.380 material existence, if you will. And I've mentioned that numerous times about time and the place of

02:49:12.200 time and why Mimerswell is in that space. It's in the primordial, and it's the accumulation of all

02:49:19.380 of those laws playing out and funneling into and going down into the lower realm. And eventually,

02:49:27.680 again, Virgelmer and the root and why Nidhogger is trying to destroy that root. It's very,

02:49:33.460 very important. But people just can't, it's got to be the central axis. The roots are down below

02:49:41.420 and it gets a little convoluted, I think. And I think they're, again, they're framing things for

02:49:45.260 a reason with their own kind of cultural intent. And I think that's straying away from

02:49:53.560 trying to create the red herring that it was a felled tree or something like that,

02:49:59.320 that, as opposed to, again, listening to the stories and hearing what is stated,

02:50:06.280 you know, Yggdrasil is in heaven, and that first root, it descends into the earth's well

02:50:11.520 in heaven, and so I think that people don't want to conceptualize the gods as being in a heavenly

02:50:17.580 abode, but what is the upper world to the middle, if there is no middle, if there is no upper,

02:50:23.620 and what significance does the lower have if, you know, all the gods can descend there and

02:50:30.200 travel there, then why was it such a great testament to Lord Odin being able to dynamically

02:50:37.100 interact with all three levels and having the slipper, Slepnir, the one who can move between

02:50:44.760 all realms, and what significance is it with Hermoth and Balder descending there? And so

02:50:50.620 once we start kind of changing that, it gets a little dangerous. But I am a big proponent that

02:50:56.640 I think our ancestors saw it from a flat plane, because they even mentioned this with the sun and

02:51:03.740 the moon, and what do the gods call the sun, and what do the gods call the moon? What do the elves

02:51:08.720 call the sun? What do the elves call the moon? And the classification in Alvis's poem is an

02:51:17.320 interesting way of i think they're seeing things from a planar level but that has changed again we

02:51:25.320 we know that things have changed in our understanding of things is uh you know if whether

02:51:29.320 we're talking about the day and the night horse of of skin faxy and hymn faxy we know now the earth

02:51:36.520 rotates and then we think of the two horses of the sun all all svid and our walker and then

02:51:44.040 we think of the one horse of the moon and that's the only one that doesn't rotate

02:51:49.080 so now it's starting to visualize it in an what if the in the stories there are greater truths

02:51:55.640 that the gods have been waiting for us to catch up to if you will

02:52:05.720 all right next question would you consider doing vns episodes about loki

02:52:13.000 Circa, Fenrir, and the other forces of chaos. Obviously not in a dedicational sense,

02:52:19.880 but just in an educational sense. We could. I don't think that would be out of bounds of

02:52:34.840 things that we cover. Doing an episode on each, I think maybe is kind of an over

02:52:43.000 Overdrawing that out, doing episodes on, you know, the force, you know, the forces of chaos, I think.

02:52:54.380 again it's not something that i that we won't do it's interesting because it's a break

02:53:04.840 from our typical orientation which isn't necessarily wrong from time to time but it's

02:53:11.140 just outside of how we typically think on things like we wouldn't want to spend a whole episode

02:53:16.740 talking about things not to do or things to avoid or things that are bad we want to talk about

02:53:24.840 things and i know that we end up delving into that i think that's the nature of us all is to

02:53:32.280 delve into the negative but what we try to do at least topically and thematically is focus on

02:53:39.600 an upward orientation towards the things that we like the things that we support the things

02:53:46.160 that we're about, the things that we want to achieve. And then in response to those or in

02:53:51.820 relation to those, we speak towards the things we don't like or whatever. We usually don't start

02:53:57.640 from the point of, all right, today we're going to talk about all the things that suck. That's

02:54:03.040 just not typically what we do, but I don't think that's a terrible suggestion. It's just outside

02:54:07.460 of our normal orientation. But I asked Nick last week and hopefully he is keeping a list of some

02:54:15.320 these ideas for topics because i think that's valuable and i appreciate the suggestion on that

02:54:22.200 um also congratulations uh in the chat room to gentlemen that had the twins that's awesome

02:54:35.000 yeah i think expanding on some of that stuff the the slobber of of fenris in the black lake

02:54:41.320 And how the movement from the upper realm to the middle realm would be a good, you know, I don't think it would be in a whole episode thing.

02:54:51.360 but you know and understanding loki's place as a catalystic and dynamic and then eventually a stasis

02:55:00.320 uh set into himself or or why that the greatest threat ended up in heaven and the neutral threat

02:55:06.400 ended up or not neutral but containment stasis uh and the the uh placement of hell in in the lower

02:55:16.560 those would be very interesting things but yeah i i don't i think it would be better in like

02:55:21.840 correlation to uh good concepts as well

02:55:31.120 all right so we're going to answer one more question here before we move on

02:55:35.360 to burcano we will get to all of your questions that's uh

02:55:39.840 for our wheel or for our woe, Svon and I have committed to doing that. So we will definitely

02:55:47.380 do it. If you want yours up first, use some of our cool little doodads that the kids use these

02:55:56.240 days and throw some money our way. We will get yours up there first. But either way, we're happy

02:56:02.740 to answer all of your questions joking aside but this question was asked um about seven o'clock

02:56:09.760 just about two hours ago i wonder how the victory associated with uh two oz and the victory of

02:56:18.000 suelo differ and i think that's an interesting one swan what are your what are your thoughts

02:56:24.760 on that one and so i i briefly uh touched on that i think that um the difference is is between i i

02:56:35.320 would say the pro the projection of what is noble and morally correct is coming from the source of

02:56:45.640 ourselves in an understanding of that we have to understand what is moral we have to understand

02:56:50.200 what is noble we have to strive to shine light out in order to attain victory to see all things

02:56:59.160 to deal with the shadows with the snakes with the ice as it's mentioned in the rune poem um that

02:57:05.320 that is an emanation before physical completion before you walk forward and then start to

02:57:14.120 physically interact, to give the price of that nobility, the price of that aristocracy, the price

02:57:22.100 of that wisdom, that plays out, I think, in the Tirun after more of the projection. So it's kind

02:57:33.000 of an understanding of understanding how to act and why to act, and then the victory of correct

02:57:42.980 action. And those, those two, so victory by changing the inner and changing the sight and

02:57:49.980 the way that you view things and the way that you become more divinely connected. And then when you

02:57:56.160 enact on that knowledge, the, the actions of victory, the attainment of victory, sometimes

02:58:01.700 the duty, the sacrifice, the honor plays out. And I think that's how those two victories are

02:58:08.320 different yeah i think it's you know

02:58:28.640 i think it's the difference between dynamic and static

02:58:33.520 and i don't think you know i i think that certainly you could use either of them for

02:58:41.600 very similar purposes and there's not like a wrong answer on that but i think that

02:58:47.440 to differentiate between the two is

02:58:52.560 one is a an active charging forward victory where one is much more of a standing your ground

02:58:59.920 um maintaining duty kind of victory um but yeah i i think that you know we could we could go further

02:59:10.840 trying to split hairs but i don't think it would you know really make that much of a difference i

02:59:15.700 think they're both certainly victory rooms and i don't think you're in you're wrong in using them

02:59:21.260 that way um uh bring up one thing too is that there are some schools of of runic thought when

02:59:33.020 they talk about runic interplay certain runes that interplay with other runes if anybody's read

02:59:38.940 uh you know uh futhark or runelore or um i personally know some folks who correlate the

02:59:47.680 runes via a diagram of eight spokes. They, they draw a wheel of eight spokes and then they place

02:59:53.980 a rune at the top and the side, and they go all the way around with the first et and the second

02:59:59.000 et and the third et, and they correlate those positionings as a form of whether they are seen

03:00:06.600 as light staff or merc staff. And it's worth noting any two runes right next to each other

03:00:11.960 are seen as light they correlate together very well because they flow not against each other

03:00:20.120 and so some uh some people have said you know this is single magic or what have you but um

03:00:26.040 there is enough i've met where they don't see the runes as face up face down or upside down or

03:00:33.400 right side up but instead relegate themselves to this chart and look at okay well this rune

03:00:40.440 and this route are on what spokes are they directly juxtaposed to each other are they

03:00:46.040 directly across from each other or are they flowing in a more congruent way um and i would

03:00:53.960 just point out that uh you know tiwas and solo are in congruence with each other so i i would say

03:01:02.120 absolutely a a phenomenal pair to use in relation to projecting victory and attaining it and then

03:01:10.360 and also the physicality of putting in the effort

03:01:15.600 and the correct action in physical manifestation.

03:01:26.160 All right.

03:01:29.380 So I think with that,

03:01:30.920 we're gonna move on to our final rune of the evening.

03:01:35.480 We still got lots of questions to answer,

03:01:38.460 But Svahn, could you enlighten folks

03:01:42.960 about the mystery of Burkhano?

03:01:46.300 Okay, now Burkhano is another tree rune,

03:01:50.680 and I'm making that in reference to Iwaz.

03:01:54.280 Burkhano is clearly associated with youthfulness,

03:01:58.740 clearly associated with immortality.

03:02:03.840 I'm not saying I would argue it,

03:02:05.460 I'm just saying that like the yew tree in relation to the ash tree, I often wonder about the birch tree in relation to the apple tree and those cultural significances of those two trees.

03:02:18.780 Obviously, the connections of apples in relation to right before the darkening of the year, the fruit is bared forth to to gain life.

03:02:28.500 um you know it was noted by our ancestors that the birch tree has the ability to even though it

03:02:35.220 bears no fruit it continues to uh grow and continues to offshoot and to expand and so out

03:02:44.460 of out of the darkness of the earth these new sprouts of life are consistently remarked about

03:02:50.040 the birch tree the birch tree has a ton of lore so sorry to bring it back the rune is the

03:02:57.820 translation of the modern usage is birkano. Bjorkan, the idea of the birch tree. And that birch tree

03:03:07.440 does have even more cultural significance, even though perhaps maybe the idea of immortality may

03:03:15.060 have gone away. There's clear connections to fertility and birth magic. There is also medicinal

03:03:21.920 properties in relation to birch trees. There's also a sacredness of, a lot of people I'm sure

03:03:27.300 are familiar with the the fruits of the birch tree uh being a um a the uh fly agaric mushroom

03:03:36.100 um those are and i'm not saying that that's in the lore what i'm saying is that there's clear

03:03:40.340 cultural associations with that from the uh the the the folks up in the high high north all the

03:03:48.740 way you know even to our iconic lore when we're you know you see it in paintings the birch tree

03:03:54.100 and the fruit of the birch tree, if you will. So the birch rune at its core is a rune seen as

03:04:04.860 protection and fertility and birth. And you see that with our cultural connections to

03:04:12.420 the goddesses associated with birth and with the birch tree. We see it again in the shape of the

03:04:19.760 rune as being the like the upper part being the iconographically the breast and then the belly

03:04:25.480 so again immediately has deep feminine like tones towards the the understanding of it also being an

03:04:33.760 encapsulation within the earth because again the birch tree sprouts from the roots up and out and

03:04:39.740 through and so there's like this the conceptualization of the protecting of the future

03:04:45.080 underneath the roots of this tree. It's not an evergreen, so it does lose its leaves and then

03:04:53.400 regrow again. But again, despite the darkness, it reiterates itself out. And so there's lots of

03:05:02.240 things to kind of go with here. You could talk about the connection of perched, one of the names

03:05:08.300 the germanic goddess um connected to the word birch or birch tree um there's correlation there

03:05:16.620 and there's the linguistic correlations are are scant but they are seeming to lead towards

03:05:23.340 not being complete rubbish um there is of course again the slavs have great connections to the to

03:05:30.300 the birch tree as well and the gauls had the birch tree as one of their sigils in their um

03:05:36.220 um, Ogham writing, or I'm probably saying that absolutely wrong, because Dalish is, is an

03:05:42.880 interesting language. Um, but for us, and in relation to the runes, this rune becomes, again,

03:05:51.380 the, the rune of encapsulation. And in this, in this, the epoch stories, so Willow is about the

03:05:59.380 rise of the return of the right way of thinking and acting and the return towards the need for

03:06:05.900 the nobility, Tiwaz becomes the stabilization of foundation and balance and the central point and

03:06:16.080 the idea of our religiousness, our religious nation formulating itself. And what immediately

03:06:24.580 follows after formulation is growth because that's the whole point of establishing. We establish

03:06:31.680 you know uh tribe and we gather together to protect and as soon as we can start to create

03:06:37.600 that equilibrium we we learn we act and then reproduction the new life and we pass that

03:06:45.920 knowledge down to the next generation is all encapsulated in these three rooms um you can

03:06:52.800 kind of see it as they flow through these these epochs um so you have this growth this um

03:07:03.360 fertility that's being kind of bore out or bore up once we've uh re-emerged from the darkness

03:07:12.320 like the sun coming over the horizon it's re-emergence of light it's the solar it's the sun

03:07:18.320 then we foundationally create the center and we formulate and then once we do that we have a safe

03:07:24.880 place to start propagation and passing down that knowledge so that all of our efforts are not lost

03:07:32.000 and and i think this applied to our ancestors it's it's a continual point it's a it's a natural law

03:07:39.200 phenomena of the ideas why families get together and why um you know man and woman and uh tribe

03:07:47.520 and nation are all part of the, this process. And I think it really encapsulates in these three

03:07:55.300 runes, but it, as, as it can be finite to the individual, can also be macro to, uh, the folk

03:08:04.380 or, and again, even to the gods, um, in our, you know, a better understanding of that. But birch,

03:08:11.120 uh the birch tree um utilized oftentimes so let's say like in runic magic um i have i've never

03:08:20.100 and i have done this once but i have known about this from others in the utilizing of birch

03:08:26.320 uh and runes of the of fertility include in particular the birch rune on birch being present

03:08:34.380 during birth um whether it's uh placed upon the curved um uh bark and that bark is uh supported

03:08:45.420 and then a pillow is placed over it and the woman is then you know laying with it across her back

03:08:51.660 um and that could be again folklore of the idea of the alleviation of pain and um and and the the

03:08:59.180 the prosperity of, of making sure that the birthing process goes well. Um, and in div divination

03:09:06.460 sense, when it's brought up, it's oftentimes seen as a time to protect a time to turn inward,

03:09:14.400 to create boundaries so that you can cultivate growth, but in a cyclical sense that it will

03:09:21.100 burst forth and then you have to do it again and burst forth and do it again. And so that

03:09:27.200 time of encapsulation is the process. It's not necessarily just a single state of being.

03:09:36.120 It's that encapsulation to birth out again. And so this rune is always associated with protection

03:09:42.400 and turning inward. Oftentimes it's even mentioned as being utilized as a protective

03:09:50.300 rune for children um if i a maiden or a child when it comes into say readings if you will uh

03:09:59.500 i hate to say the word readings or castings or or what have you but um this this this rune um

03:10:08.780 exemplifies all of that and i think it in different ways we can take angles with it

03:10:20.300 so

03:10:23.180 this rune

03:10:27.180 the number of these there's kind of a theme that you can go a couple of different ways on

03:10:41.300 um the way that i go with burcano is with

03:10:54.500 if you look at it iconographically

03:11:03.760 a lot of people see the correlation to the pregnant woman with the swollen breasts and

03:11:11.580 swollen belly. The idea of Burkano as a birth rune or a pregnancy rune has always

03:11:23.200 has been of the greatest importance to me.

03:11:29.680 The idea of its being the child or the seed in utero germinating before it breaks forth

03:11:43.720 into the world.

03:11:45.300 idea of ideas of concepts of things in that hidden in that hidden realm before they pour

03:11:55.780 forth into into the world into manifestation into existence um one of the most kind of most profound

03:12:06.740 I don't know, interactions of Bracano in a way that I was aware of was when the McNallens and

03:12:16.960 I were in Denmark. And I probably talked about this on here before, but it was really, it was

03:12:27.260 really cool. We had such a, such a special trip to Denmark. It was an AFA trip to meet some of

03:12:32.840 danish members at the time and we uh man there is this woman um ustina that she

03:12:49.240 and she was the perfect person to do this she was a lot but we had to pack a lot into a short

03:12:55.560 amount of time and she you know she was one of those folks that she knew all i say all of she

03:13:04.120 knew a lot of different sacred places that were off the beaten path that weren't what um you know

03:13:10.920 your average tourist would go to and so scattered across the countryside are these dolmens or you

03:13:18.600 know quote unquote burial mounds but they don't find bodies in them so it's kind of a strange

03:13:29.560 thing that we taught we actually talked about over there you know people talk about them being

03:13:33.640 burial mounds but they don't contain bodies or urns so it was kind of strange anyways um

03:13:41.960 she would go to these places and go you know sit out on them she would go to stone circles off you

03:13:49.640 know in the middle of nowhere in the middle of woods that are overgrown and she would go and

03:13:53.400 sleep in the stone circles um which she she was you know this very magical woman and i'm really

03:14:01.400 glad that we got to spend some time with her but one of the cool things she she had this she had 0.88

03:14:08.120 this militant like ordered we're gonna be here for 10 minutes and then we're gonna go here it's 0.55

03:14:14.600 gonna take approximately seven minutes to get here when we are there we're gonna disembark from

03:14:18.440 the vehicle we're gonna spend exactly 15.5 minutes then quickly we will take the extra

03:14:25.240 0.5 minutes to get into the car it like and if you deviated by a small amount you would hear

03:14:32.840 about it um especially on the driving so i i was driving our rental vehicle and she was

03:14:39.400 you know she was driving from the passenger seat and man if you were off by like a kilometer per 1.00

03:14:46.920 hour realistically about three kilometers per hour she would she would get right in the middle

03:14:52.680 of you but i if i will forever be thankful to her for the things that she showed us anyways

03:15:00.680 we uh we didn't really have any uh prep on what we were doing or where we were going it's just

03:15:11.720 like hey we're along for the ride where they're going to show us cool stuff okay great and they

03:15:17.000 did so we found ourselves on this you know driving out into somebody's field on like a

03:15:25.640 you know clearly a path to drive on but it was like some guy's farm like it was the middle of

03:15:31.980 nowhere it was you know i wasn't sure where we were going and you don't think anything about

03:15:37.800 dolmens over there or these you know you look in the distance and there's these mounds everywhere

03:15:45.160 but they're literally scattered all over the countryside so you don't really make a special

03:15:49.700 note of them per se and we pull up and the our caravan of like you know i don't know four or

03:15:55.700 five cars stops and so all right you know i don't know what we're doing but okay and

03:16:06.900 you know they they ask if we want to go see these dolmens like okay cool um and then they say okay

03:16:13.780 well do you want to go inside like huh you know we were we're baffled we didn't know that was an

03:16:20.020 option so we said yeah of course we would like to go inside so they disappeared off in the distance

03:16:26.980 over towards this dolman and then they came back and had us you know try to come inside apparently

03:16:37.540 you know i don't think you're supposed to intentionally disturb these things but you know

03:16:44.820 years ago with some farm equipment they you know broken off the the capstone or the entrance stone

03:16:51.300 or whatever so it was it was open and we

03:16:57.860 and in my memory i don't know how this works because both versions are true

03:17:10.180 but considering ustina was kind of magical maybe her magic came into play on this and

03:17:17.860 explains why this doesn't really make sense so we

03:17:23.620 we went up to it and uh githya sheila mcnallan was not a githya at the time um but sheila mcnallan

03:17:34.140 was there with uh with with us and she was the first one to enter this this chamber and

03:17:43.660 And she, you know, she hunkered down and there was this, I don't know, probably 10 foot long

03:17:53.900 like tunnel to get into the, into the Dolman.

03:18:04.700 And so to get into the chamber.

03:18:07.360 So, and it was probably, I don't know, three foot high by, it was like, you know, three foot square.

03:18:19.420 So she hunkered down and she's moving these cobwebs out of the way.

03:18:28.240 So she's moving these cobwebs aside to get in. 0.70

03:18:32.080 and these black moths came flying out of of this place

03:18:37.880 and i thought that was really significant and i'll talk more about that later but um these black

03:18:45.520 moths came out and you know she kind of batted them away or whatever and then went into this um

03:18:53.000 Thank you.

03:19:23.480 oh i i lost you on the the uh stream screen but i i still have you here on my uh yes

03:19:41.320 i still don't see you back on the uh on the main

03:19:53.000 Thank you.

03:20:23.000 And we got in there, and the Danes had gone in before us.

03:20:45.540 And this is what I mean.

03:20:46.880 They'd somehow gone in before us, yet we still had to clear cobwebs to get in.

03:20:51.780 so i don't know how that works um but they'd gone in before us and they'd set up tea lights

03:20:59.700 in this main chamber on these um flat stones so this artificial chamber was built out of these

03:21:10.500 flat layers of stones so there's kind of you know little little shelves occurring in the flat stones

03:21:17.060 that they'd made it was probably 10 or 15 foot long by i don't know probably 10 foot long by

03:21:28.260 four foot wide and maybe three and a half feet tall or something um maybe four foot tall i don't know

03:21:39.780 but we were in there and they'd set up these tea lights and it was a really

03:21:43.300 it was a really

03:21:46.260 it was a really cool thing

03:21:50.320 again I don't know quite how to

03:21:56.200 quite how to make that

03:22:00.300 make sense but it was

03:22:02.000 it was really nice in there

03:22:04.060 and we sat

03:22:06.420 in there

03:22:06.960 the dance that we were with weren't

03:22:10.020 used to

03:22:10.960 weren't used to Galdor

03:22:12.880 So what we wanted to do, and I asked a gentleman, Brad Taylor Hicks, who was with us, if he would Gaulder, because he had a really good Gaulder voice.

03:22:26.760 I mean, I assume he still does, to lead us in Gauldering-Burcano.

03:22:33.880 Bircano. And so he did. And we sat there in silence, galdering Bircano. And we were in a cave, you know, we're in this burial chamber situation, and there wasn't any wind going through, but tea lights began falling off the ledges.

03:23:03.880 inexplicably, or I guess, explicably, but not by normal means. So

03:23:11.820 we continue this Galder and this, you know, very peaceful time there. And then,

03:23:22.500 and we're in such a special and sacred place mentally.

03:23:28.540 then when it was time to go we crawl out of the shaft shaft was the word i was looking for i

03:23:35.600 couldn't find earlier so we crawl out of the shaft and it's a process like we have to hands

03:23:42.820 and knees to get out of there and as we do we're going from this the womb of the earth if you will

03:23:51.700 we're going from this place of concealment of germination this this tomb the tomb and the womb

03:24:00.240 are very similar in a lot of ways that way and we go through this shaft to emerge back out into

03:24:07.560 mundane life and it was a really interesting transition because you look out through this

03:24:14.080 you know ancient neolithic burial shaft thing and you see through you know the overgrowth or

03:24:23.740 whatever you see in the distance and your eyes kind of adjust because you've been in a dark place

03:24:28.060 you know because i mentioned the lights kind of went out um and you see rolling hills and fields

03:24:37.560 come into come into sight and then you see you know kind of a farmhouse and then you see some

03:24:45.080 power lines out in the distance and slowly you transition from this very ancient place into the

03:24:52.280 back into the modern world as you emerge from the shaft and it was profoundly transformative

03:25:01.160 and i think the other people involved in the experience felt that way as well

03:25:05.000 um but i can't really speak for them on it for me i emerged

03:25:15.800 very much enhanced or uh

03:25:20.520 improved spiritually when i came from the womb of the earth back out into

03:25:30.120 modernity back out into into my existence

03:25:35.000 something fundamentally happened when you went in you did this you changed

03:25:38.440 and you emerged as something more um and it was really profound to me and that kind of

03:25:47.480 yeah it was one of the most special experiences i've ever had in my life but that was

03:25:52.120 that's where my mind automatically goes when trying to talk about bricano

03:25:58.760 um i came back out in the world and one of the things as we talked about

03:26:05.000 you know what are these places if they're supposedly burial chambers but nobody's buried in

03:26:09.960 them what's the deal and the theory amongst the danes was that perhaps they took the dead in there

03:26:20.840 left them there for a period of time and then took them out to go bury or to burn or whatever

03:26:27.480 they were going to do with them but it was like a process of putting them in there while their souls

03:26:33.240 transition from this world to the next world, and then took the bodies out.

03:26:41.580 But there's no way to tell that story and really do it justice. But that's where I go with it. And

03:26:48.440 I know that's kind of a departure from some of our runic discussion, but I needed to share that

03:26:56.420 because it was really a really special experience to me.

03:27:03.340 Nick, could you feed us our first room, please?

03:27:26.420 All right, so I believe this is the old Icelandic.

03:27:47.900 Birch is a leafy twig and little tree and fresh young shrub.

03:27:53.540 swan can you translate the wisdom therein for us please

03:28:01.360 yeah i think it's worth noting too uh the the birch trees in iceland are shrubs in a way i

03:28:13.160 think uh there's a there's an old joke um i remember my my mother saying it was if you ever

03:28:19.200 get lost in an Icelandic forest stand up because, uh, the wind in Iceland is, is just devastatingly

03:28:27.960 strong. And so the, the plant life there does grow in a kind of shrub form. Um, so I think that

03:28:33.860 might be worth noting, but it's also, you know, the, all, all Icelanders came from, you know,

03:28:39.780 Norway, they're, they're, you know, migration westward. So they, you know, and even traveling

03:28:46.900 back there after settling. But the birch tree isn't lost in its meaning, even from living in

03:28:55.820 the island. The idea that the tree could produce or grow and manifest in directions outside of

03:29:06.020 itself without necessarily bearing fruit was not lost on anyone. It was seen as a kind of a

03:29:14.460 rejuvenation a almost like a a a rune of the cyclical sense of uh life death and rebirth if

03:29:25.020 you will um whether it's generationally or spiritually or or a lot of the different meanings

03:29:31.180 there but it's clearly held a lot of its significance even in iceland um obviously i you

03:29:38.460 know i have an aunt her name is vala bjork and that means the chosen birch tree and um i'm sure

03:29:44.860 some people are familiar with the musician bjork and her name means birch and um so the significance

03:29:52.380 of it is is really culturally built around youthfulness life and um regenerative power

03:30:02.140 um i don't think that it was particularly utilized um as a as a functioning tree uh in

03:30:10.540 iceland unless it was already felled and brought in um a lot of the transitioning away from wood

03:30:16.660 to stone in iceland happened a lot um because of the the need of of the trees but um yeah i think

03:30:25.120 this is what we're, we're, we're again, seeing life and the sprouting of life from supple and

03:30:32.320 not, you know, a strong Oak. It's, it's this rejuvenation of life from the kind of a

03:30:43.200 cyclical feminine nature. There's a, as much as the impressiveness of the masculinity,

03:30:50.460 There is also an impressive sense in the femininity and the cycles of things.

03:30:56.800 And so this rune, I think, encapsulates a lot of that power.

03:31:01.840 It's seen as a rune of regeneration.

03:31:04.640 And whether it's mental or physical or spiritual is, I guess, in context.

03:31:11.140 But this poem emphasizes its ability to grow without dropping fruit or seed.

03:31:18.040 And I think it's worth noting that a lot of times the usage of the word seed, fruit, and corn all had the same connotations towards germination through a seed, if you will.

03:31:38.240 All right.

03:31:39.160 Nick, can you put up the next poem for us, please?

03:31:49.160 All right.

03:32:05.160 all right birch has the greenest leaves of any shrub loki was fortunate in his deceit

03:32:17.880 swan what do you make of this one

03:32:21.240 so this actually came about for me in our discussions about the punishment of loki

03:32:29.560 that we were talking about a long time ago and i think that when we were talking about the

03:32:36.280 equivalency of corrective dharma when we were talking about the equivalency of of uh when

03:32:43.220 uh vowly comes forth to slay hod because that makes equilibrium but loki's relationship to his

03:32:55.260 son and the slaying of his son much like because he's in kind of a correlation with his um

03:33:04.540 uh like blood brotherhood or unification with with odin so odin loses a son he loses a son

03:33:10.700 and i think that what they're speaking of is the fortunateness of that situation is that um

03:33:17.580 in order for the cycle to continue his being cut off completely was not part i think of

03:33:24.220 of the overall cosmic meaning of that story because a lot of people have asked why didn't

03:33:29.000 the gods just kill loki it's like obviously you know he ran off and and but that's not what's

03:33:33.900 going on here is that this cycle uh is being continued on and in that they're they're talking

03:33:39.920 about his fortunateness of being encapsulated again as opposed to being you know cut off and

03:33:48.980 And then the equilibrium of that whole scenario was built around the slaying of the son, or slaying of the child.

03:33:57.540 So Vali then slays Loki's son, and they bind him.

03:34:06.340 So he loses directly in correlation with the gods, but is still kept in a stasis for the cycle, the overall of the doom,

03:34:17.360 the the overall um point of all of the forces and powers interacting with each other he still has to

03:34:24.160 continue on with his part that'll eventually that what what spurns us on to defeat chaos

03:34:31.200 is that it's not just completely dissipated in an essence it can't be completely dissipated i think

03:34:36.480 is the ultimate wisdom of that and i think that's what they're referring to in the fortunateness

03:34:41.200 of his position um kind of a more of a poetic way of leveling that

03:34:51.520 all right and nick could you put the the final room poem up please

03:35:11.200 the poplar bears no fruit yet without seed it brings forth suckers for it is generated from

03:35:24.360 its leaves splendid are its branches and gloriously adorned its lofty crown which

03:35:31.220 reaches to the skies so you can tell this was not written by the icelanders right

03:35:37.400 and again poplar the the icelandic birch does not reach uh to the skies with nor has a lofty crown

03:35:51.640 um man it sure did in alaska though i remember uh so much of the trees around anchorage where

03:35:59.960 i was born with birch and uh they're paper birch and they were you know again they were very tall

03:36:10.360 they're beautiful they're birch forests are really cool and i haven't experienced a lot of that since

03:36:16.360 i left alaska it's one of the neat things when i went to sweden because it's on a similar latitude

03:36:25.160 it also had birch forests and that was kind of the first time i've been to birch forest in a while

03:36:29.800 and that was really pretty and nice swan what do you make from uh from this poem and you know i

03:36:39.480 always always like the anglo-saxon one the best what do you what do you get from this well i mean

03:36:45.560 again it's always seen the the similarity of growth without seed the growth comes from the

03:36:51.640 leaf as they as they refer or the suckers the the um the extensions of the tree and the roots

03:36:57.720 ultimately as the roots move the the new uh uh stems become you know small saplings and then

03:37:06.440 saplings become trunks and and the birch then spreads so again coming out of darkness coming

03:37:13.080 out of the earth but you you made it and that's i think the shrub thing the reason why i wanted to

03:37:18.120 cover that was because contextualize why the icelandic room poem would say shrub um and it's

03:37:24.920 not necessarily again it's the translation but versus the the uh anglo-saxon clearly stating

03:37:31.640 it's you know it's tall poplar and has a lofty crown is again that's that's um about that

03:37:38.440 traversing of that tree to the island nation of iceland versus uh already being well established

03:37:45.960 um in in the on the isles you know um so i i just i think it's this is one of those ones where the

03:37:54.920 the um the rune poems are pretty consistent and hold true despite the geographical differences

03:38:02.940 i think the loki comment kind of throws people off a lot but it's it is talking about how you

03:38:10.180 know being contained and brought into the darkness and brought into the ground um and having the

03:38:16.440 ability to shoot forth again even though this one's kind of seen in the negative sense it is

03:38:21.300 again the reasoning for the cycles of things so i mean that's i i it continually emphasizes the

03:38:30.980 idea of the spreading of the tree um and how our ancestors saw the mystery in it not being brought

03:38:37.460 about from berry or from fruit or from a hard seed but but spreading and i mean uh you know when we

03:38:45.060 talk about even like the aspens in um in colorado and they're now finding out that they have huge

03:38:50.900 root structures that uh communicate with each other and um are kind of one large organism of

03:38:59.380 plant life um it brings a lot of interesting thought to the uh the way that the birch

03:39:05.700 tree you know spreads itself and it absolutely a sacred tree to us and seen in the feminine sense

03:39:12.580 so uh birth rejuvenation well and uh an interesting point was raised in the chat that uh

03:39:25.860 they say if they remember right that birch was one of the first trees to emerge when the ice age

03:39:30.500 was receding birch is one of the resilient trees that comes back first after fires after calamity

03:39:37.540 it's one of the things i have to assume this is why

03:39:42.500 it appears to be sprouts of birch that you put on the balder mural

03:39:50.420 um yes after the waters recede they're the first thing to to repopulate and reforest uh midgard

03:40:00.500 yeah that was one of the one of the easter eggs uh if you will i guess for

03:40:06.660 terminology, but yes, Baldershof, the mural, he's encapsulated and surrounded by birch

03:40:14.140 significantly so, and also because Baldershof is so far in the north. There are birch trees

03:40:23.400 here in the south. We call them river birch, and they're kind of like a variation of the paper

03:40:28.480 birch um uh but up there the quintessential white and black slashed birch uh was very very fitting

03:40:37.980 i thought it was uh it was worth uh putting into in in there so amongst many little easter eggs

03:40:46.280 that's one of them and i'm glad you um you know caught on to that as far as or at least revealed

03:40:52.880 it to because i think we might have talked about it but um i don't think we did um i mean we talked

03:40:58.960 about what we were trying to symbolize by it but i don't think we talked specifically about the

03:41:03.120 birch in it yeah i think um one of those that that was one of the things i wanted to talk about

03:41:09.840 earlier i'd made mention of was um i had uh i had a very very blunt insult thrown at me about

03:41:17.360 about um my murals uh not a fan apparently um made mention that you know the five-year-old

03:41:26.000 could sum it up something better and i'm like well i am that five-year-old no um the uh

03:41:32.640 i thought it was quite funny but the point of it being too other than just simply at that point

03:41:38.620 if somebody's not very pious towards our things that i find no reason to it's it's like it's like

03:41:45.460 hating someone who's taken too many head injuries i mean maybe they're not all fully there or what

03:41:50.900 have you provide links to his awesome murals uh that was the point uh kind of a point i made and

03:41:57.620 and some of the examples that were given were like a a very um you know shirtless horn bear horn

03:42:05.220 helmet um cod piece kind of uh and and marvel-esque same with the actual the next example he gave was

03:42:15.220 was very marvelous the third one was actually really good and was part of what i was originally

03:42:20.500 thinking um for the mural but i think that it's lost to on him that you know this artwork is

03:42:28.660 coming from a believer i'm not claiming to be an exemplary artist in the sense that um

03:42:36.900 obviously there are many people out there that could draw and and produce murals in whatever

03:42:42.100 fashion but this was a religious endeavor and um the symbology in all of the all the pictures is

03:42:49.220 is more than just what does that face value and i think it's also worth noting too is like um

03:42:55.700 based on my ability to travel to the hoffs um is also on a on a basis of me eventually being

03:43:02.500 able to kind of tweak things because a lot of times you know traveling distances and and trying

03:43:07.940 to fit in the birch trees before i left because i only had a little limited amount of time before

03:43:13.460 i had to leave and so it was one of the fastest ways i could put a symbolic reference in there

03:43:20.660 but my intentions of adding and playing a little bit more into that um one one thing i wanted to

03:43:28.100 do was possibly put mistletoe in the birch trees but i couldn't find any confirmation that mistletoe

03:43:36.340 and birch were capable i know mistletoe can grow in lots of different trees other than just oak

03:43:42.900 it's actually so one growing in an oak is kind of uh powerful because of its rarity but i didn't

03:43:51.220 i couldn't find anything in relation to mistletoe in relation to birch so i just left the birch as

03:43:56.020 they were and placed the mistletoe elsewhere uh in the in the drawings but you can't please them

03:44:02.100 all. And at the same time, I don't think that was the intention. I wasn't trying to please

03:44:06.540 anyone outside in the middle world. I was devotionally pushing forth to hope to please

03:44:16.920 the gods. So, but yeah, that was the story I wanted to mention earlier. I thought that was

03:44:22.520 kind of a funny thing. And he doesn't seem to be particularly against anything that we're

03:44:30.520 doing I think he was like honestly like I think it'd be a lot cooler if we had like a heavy metal

03:44:37.180 poster Thor and it was kind of like is he being serious is he trolling me right now I you know

03:44:43.980 what I'm not even gonna like get upset at this it's I don't know people have commented on it

03:44:51.240 before I've seen people not clearly against um our purpose and and what we're doing and

03:44:58.960 I pay them no heat either

03:45:01.060 so

03:45:01.380 but again you just keep moving

03:45:05.180 forward with the new every

03:45:07.000 iteration every time I

03:45:08.680 I've gone to a Hoff to give dedication

03:45:11.400 and to do a mural

03:45:12.960 I've learned something from the previous

03:45:15.180 one so the new shoot that

03:45:17.060 comes up bears forth the

03:45:18.420 greener leaves and then the next one and the next one

03:45:21.120 and

03:45:21.280 it's been an interesting

03:45:24.940 process of those cycles

03:45:26.160 your murals are amazing

03:45:28.460 and it again first i think that they're done really well um artistically or you know skill

03:45:38.520 wise but that aside the devotion poured into them they're worth more than the sum of their parts

03:45:46.380 and it takes someone who's got a level of piety to really internalize some of that but

03:45:54.240 No, your murals are quite literally magical, and the effect they have on a Hoff is tremendous for folks that maybe haven't been there.

03:46:05.700 So, before we continue with this discussion, Daniel threw in a $10 super chat.

03:46:13.060 And it's good that you did, because we're a couple of hours behind on questions.

03:46:18.180 What are the most significant trees named in our lore, and what is their significance?

03:46:24.240 i would say oak ash elm and birch spawn tell us about their significance

03:46:33.800 yeah i i would agree uh oak maybe you uh you uh you tree elm i would also say hazel

03:46:46.840 hazel is a one that's kind of uh forgotten about but is is uh in relation to boundaries um but yeah

03:46:55.040 oak oak clearly associated with uh thor uh the the idea of the strength of the oak the the build

03:47:05.380 the building material of the oak beings you know to make the pillars strong it's sacred it it

03:47:11.820 destroys everything underneath it so that nothing can can leech off of it it stands alone and then

03:47:19.020 it grows its its descendancy in through the acorns and it then it creates the the sacred

03:47:26.860 forest and grove and it it doesn't tolerate um you know things trying to kind of bite off of it

03:47:34.540 even mistletoe is very rare and if it does manage to except spanish moth our spanish moths down

03:47:41.500 south is in the the lab oaks a lot yeah and i i think spanish moss um doesn't actually

03:47:52.460 like it doesn't parasite the tree or doesn't like sustain life from the tree i think it it can drape

03:48:01.180 on most anything really it's a interesting um vegetation and it certainly has a lot of mystery

03:48:08.860 in the south as well just in relation to um the graveyards and with ancient you know out in the

03:48:16.380 in the country seeing the spanish moss um has a lot of that deep southern gothic uh spirit to it

03:48:24.300 um you know when people think of those those kind of places um where the land and the and

03:48:32.060 history are kind of re-emerging back together again there's always a picture of the spanish moss but

03:48:37.420 but hazel is one that I really like to bring out.

03:48:41.520 And when we're talking about the runes, wood is a significant point.

03:48:45.600 I think that the metal and stone and bone and things as a medium for the runes came later,

03:48:54.820 especially with the technology, with the ability to carve into stone.

03:49:00.380 But what was certainly established long before,

03:49:03.240 Whether it's Herodotus and his mention of the Scythians or Tacitus and his mention of the Germans is the carving on wood and particularly a fruit bearing tree, which, again, is not detailed because, again, the usage of the word fruit in relation to the fruit of the oak being an acorn and the fruit of an apple tree, of course, being an apple.

03:49:29.480 Um, but Hazel is an interesting one too. It was utilized to peg down the, the leather tarping of

03:49:39.480 a dueling pit, um, or a dueling stage, uh, in the, one of the examples of Holmgang, the, uh,

03:49:48.960 where two people would step into a ring to, uh, you know, challenge each other and fight,

03:49:54.540 It was, you know, leather or sail was laid down and hazel rods were specifically mentioned as making that place inside sacred and protecting to the outside.

03:50:08.280 So I think hazel is one that's kind of glossed over. Holly, of course, in relation to yuletide and the fact that it is such a vigorous and living tree, and it's a tree of defense.

03:50:24.440 the holly um leaves were clearly placed the wreath upon the door and that was a protective

03:50:30.940 element um so an oak again nobility um longevity the cosmic order if you will

03:50:40.600 uh yew tree of course we talked about that with iwaz um

03:50:45.140 i'm trying to think of elm in relation to lore i know that ash was used a lot for weapons like

03:50:54.220 spear shafts and a lot for the ships. When it came, there was suppleness that was needed in

03:51:01.440 certain spots and then really stern parts where they were holding the mass to the deck. They

03:51:06.620 would use ash because it was a very strong wood, but could take a lot of damage. And of course,

03:51:17.240 birch um those are the ones that come to mind right out the gate um

03:51:25.800 all right well go ahead i was gonna say when they talk about apples pears fruit bearing trees they

03:51:32.440 don't really talk so much about the wood as they do the the fruit itself but i mean the usage of

03:51:39.160 the wood was clearly done. You know, there was lots of usages of those trees. They don't seem to

03:51:48.840 place a ton of the emphasis on the wood in relation to the fruit.

03:51:54.920 All right, so Hoff and Nan blew the victory horn for a $20 donation. Thank you, Hoff and Nan,

03:52:00.760 we appreciate you. Swan, your murals are great. Good thing you use paint,

03:52:05.880 considering your appetite for crayons seriously though you are appreciated

03:52:13.880 yes i uh no i drew everything out in crayon before i painted and then sat back

03:52:22.200 and ate the delectable fruit of the marine corps that was a marine joke he's for people who don't

03:52:29.480 get it with the crayons that's a that that was actually a little bit after my time the

03:52:34.680 the crayon joke came out i think uh from the uh there was a website on or a page on facebook called

03:52:43.560 uh jay tots or just the tip of the spear and they made this joke and it kind of blew up from there

03:52:51.320 um we didn't really have that as a joke when i was in the early 2000s um but nonetheless it is

03:52:57.960 funny as hell and um i take you know no no offense to me got thick skin and i think if we can't laugh

03:53:06.360 at ourselves every now and then it's you know it's what's the point so but thank you thank you for the

03:53:12.680 the compliment so i did not serve i also was you know and above and obviously with that i was not

03:53:18.920 in the marine corps but a very specific remembrance i have from first grade i used to love me some

03:53:26.920 crayons but i wouldn't eat my crayons i would borrow crayons and then eat those crayons

03:53:36.520 that makes another place in the tourist class in scenic park elementary in anchorage alaska i can

03:53:43.480 remember like i was sitting right by the coat closet i can like it's a crystal clear memory of

03:53:49.880 first grade they used to joke about the marines um you know that we would take anything that

03:53:56.200 wasn't nailed down um and you know gear adrift is a gear amiss or there's never a thief in the marine

03:54:02.040 corps there's just somebody lost their stuff and everyone else is transferring it around um so

03:54:08.280 that's very fitting too because the most savory of crayons is the stolen crayon

03:54:15.160 the the the conquested one you know there's there's something to that

03:54:19.800 all right now i gotta find where we are in the line of questions here because it's been a minute

03:54:34.600 okay cool all right i've got it um and this one was from 7-eleven i is from almost three hours ago

03:54:44.520 but no we've got people who are using the super chat and they are helping us

03:54:48.280 out they are donating to a great cause and we are trying to bump them up to the front of line

03:54:52.360 i don't ever want to like kill something that's going somewhere good or disrupt uh train of thought

03:54:58.840 any more than i need to but i do try to put it put those in there as quick as i can um

03:55:05.160 are either of you good sirs familiar with the room guild and have you tried their curriculum

03:55:10.520 the nine doors of midgard um yes uh yes to both i'm familiar with the rune guild or at least i'm

03:55:21.240 familiar with i don't know the rune guild of 10 years ago or more um

03:55:34.280 their current goings-on i don't have a lot

03:55:41.480 yes i'm familiar with the rune guild um

03:55:46.040 they i believe there are two

03:55:52.440 strata of people in the rune guild i think that there are a select few very good scholars and very

03:56:03.720 intellectually high functioning people i think there's another group of

03:56:10.520 basement wizards that are not particularly adept at basement wizardry um and i don't think there's

03:56:19.360 a lot of people in in between there and i think that the basement wizards probably outnumber the

03:56:25.340 intellectual elite um that said members of the rune guild have put out a lot of um really cool

03:56:33.700 things i believe that the gentleman leon wild who wrote uh the runes workbook that i always

03:56:40.140 recommend is as like the best begin like either you know older child young adult first entry into

03:56:48.820 the first like introduction into the runes is fantastic um it's always my go-to recommendation

03:56:55.960 and i think that's really well done i believe he was a rune guild member um the uh you know

03:57:03.420 Edred Thorson, certainly, I mean, the person who is the most significant in the runic revival in my, certainly in my understanding of the runes and my learning the runes.

03:57:16.880 The Ehrmendriton of the Rune Guild.

03:57:22.040 So some really good people there.

03:57:23.680 It was also told to me that, you know, someone high in the organization when talking about the young men gathered there say, you know, there's a rune full of runemaguses and not one of them could conjure themselves up a girlfriend.

03:57:36.660 So I think that's probably a thing.

03:57:39.020 I will say this.

03:57:41.360 Nine doors of Midgard is fantastic.

03:57:46.320 You don't have to join the Rune Guild to go through that curriculum.

03:57:53.680 it is it takes a very long time to do it as suggested

03:58:02.500 i would recommend do not rush it the point is spending that time it's not reaching a destination

03:58:10.320 the point is that journey um i think it's fantastic i have gone through doing that

03:58:19.240 over the years with a little bit of stopping and starting um but no i i highly recommend the nine

03:58:26.340 doors midgard if you are at a place in your life where you have enough context and you can slow

03:58:34.760 yourself down to do it at the right pace and to really go through all the steps and all through

03:58:40.220 the motions um what what's the use fun yeah i i currently don't know a lot of stuff of what is

03:58:50.800 going on uh the wood harrow institute or the rune guild um i am familiar with uh the nine doors of

03:58:59.640 midgard uh when i was uh when i started started studying the runes about in the in the mid 90s 95

03:59:08.660 of 96, I had the fortunate experience of meeting a teacher of the runes who was part of a group

03:59:19.840 called the Nemeton in the 70s. They're no longer around. I've looked for them. I can't seem to find

03:59:26.000 them. They perhaps kind of faded out in the 80s, but he was one of the founding members and was

03:59:34.000 really, really kind of in there, in that, that sphere of, uh, you know, runology that was kind

03:59:43.300 of coming about in the seventies and eighties. And, um, so I ended up learning from him as a kind

03:59:50.020 of, uh, he wasn't teaching anyone. And I, I, I bugged him to, to teach me. I said, I had this

03:59:57.480 interest. And, um, finally he relented and, and I got a chance to learn for about three years.

04:00:04.140 And then from there, I just kind of studied on my own and brought in a lot of those, those books

04:00:11.040 and, and kind of formulated them with, with my, um, with my own knowledge, uh, from him. And,

04:00:20.400 um, so I never really pursued it. Um, I think that it would, you know, it would be amazing too,

04:00:27.060 But, you know, as life went on, joining the Marine Corps and and all of these things just kind of take I think it takes a lot of dedication in moving towards that direction.

04:00:36.460 And unfortunately, that wasn't a lot that I could do to give that that dedication.

04:00:41.980 And I had already had a kind of a personal foundation built up with a person of, you know, clout, especially in my mind.

04:00:53.220 And, you know, in correlation with speaking about other runologists or runemasters or rune thinkers, Nigel Pennick and Edric Thorson, even down into Freya Oswin and some of her kind of wild stuff there.

04:01:14.060 Um, and I never just never pursued it. I'm just kind of always seen it in the, in the peripheral.

04:01:22.060 Um, and perhaps I thought, you know, maybe if I was older and had was a little bit more settled

04:01:28.420 down without the chaos of family life to try to pursue something, but outside of that, no.

04:01:37.540 Got a $1 donation, uh, the conquested crayons. Great story.

04:01:44.060 Yes. Sorry. They fill them with an extra flavor if you take it from someone else.

04:01:53.880 You know, anything consumable is better if it started out as someone else's. I think

04:02:00.820 that's just a solid truth that we can internalize.

04:02:06.380 Riding in our chariots, taking other people's crayons.

04:02:09.700 that's that's how we do that's that's a foundation that's the foundation myth of our civilization

04:02:17.420 um do you think we should treat all gods as separate from each other even if there is some

04:02:26.900 overlap between them or perceived equivalence also when trying to reconcile the existence of

04:02:33.940 multiple Sky Fathers, Earth Mothers, and Storm Gods.

04:02:37.820 There was a comment in the chat that said,

04:02:40.680 same essence, different persons,

04:02:43.040 which opened my mind to a new perspective.

04:02:46.660 Would you agree or disagree with that comment?

04:02:51.040 So I will address all of those things piece by piece,

04:02:59.240 but first I want to challenge the premise.

04:03:13.720 People, again, it's got to be obnoxious to people listening to this

04:03:21.680 because I have these strange pauses where I do these little stop starts.

04:03:26.760 And the reason is because some of these, it's hard to take metaphysical concepts and put them into words.

04:03:34.760 We treat Sky Father, Striker, Earth Mother as these monolithic terms that are inherent to civilization.

04:03:59.140 and the rest of gods and men alike are beholden to them.

04:04:06.980 And that's not how that worked.

04:04:09.160 Before anyone ever said, sky father, earth mother, striker,

04:04:14.800 the gods existed.

04:04:17.640 They existed as they are.

04:04:19.940 They existed in totality of their existence, their personality.

04:04:24.560 they existed and predate the term sky father before the term sky father existed

04:04:36.840 there were our gods and there were our most ancient ancestors

04:04:42.320 now linguistically sky father is a very old term dogmatically it is a relatively recent term

04:04:56.120 these aren't boxes that exist objectively a scholar of archaeology and sociology and perhaps

04:05:08.120 theology decided to create a word or a label that expressed a concept or an idea these words

04:05:19.940 were meant to help us understand religion

04:05:25.040 these words don't dictate to divinity how divinity is allowed to be divine

04:05:33.520 and so i don't we look at things kind of a historically where we take assumptions such

04:05:41.820 as sky father earth mother striker that must exist and then we try to violently hammer

04:05:49.940 all of the gods of any people in existence into those categories

04:05:55.280 subtlety and truth be damned we're going to force them into our theory of things because

04:06:05.980 that's how the world works sky father earth mother striker that's what is doesn't work that way it

04:06:12.620 doesn't work that clean and it never has we recognize those elements in many if not all

04:06:21.200 divinities. And it helps us to understand perhaps their functionality, perhaps themes within their

04:06:31.440 worship or the understanding of them. But the term is a weak tool that humans have created to help

04:06:39.260 us and our understanding the gods are not beholden to anthropologists theories of things

04:06:49.900 and it's it's a very important difference um so to the questions specifics

04:07:00.540 should we treat all gods as separate from each other

04:07:04.380 even if there is some overlap between them or perceived equivalents

04:07:09.260 It depends. These things are gray areas. When in doubt, yes. When in doubt, we should absolutely treat them as different.

04:07:18.960 There are some that are beyond a doubt. And if we are completely confident and completely secure, knowing that the wrathful eye of the gods is upon us, if we err, then sure.

04:07:33.760 However, obviously, when you look at Germanic deities, like when you look at continental German deities and Scandinavian deities, it's very clear that they're different names for the same people.

04:07:47.300 okay well when you extend that further and in different directions there are some that are

04:07:55.520 very clear and there are some that are much a much more tenuous connection that have a lot

04:08:03.820 of overlap between perhaps multiple of of those gods um so with most things there's no 100 answer

04:08:16.340 But, yes, when in any kind of doubt at all, you should treat them as separate.

04:08:23.160 If it's obviously and you know them to be the exact same one, then, okay, take it upon yourself to do that and accept the risk of doing that.

04:08:40.800 When trying to reconcile, and so here's the thing.

04:08:46.340 And I don't know with the question of whether you're speaking of this globally or within Aryan pantheons, because the nature of folk religions, different races of people will have different, quote, unquote, sky fathers, earth mothers, and storm gods.

04:09:13.200 within within that race perhaps there are not different but there are different

04:09:23.240 understandings of that position

04:09:25.920 um your point that they're the same essence but different persons

04:09:32.940 i don't agree on but i think it approaches some truth that's important

04:09:42.220 so at no point in our understanding or do we have stories of or do we have any kind of

04:10:00.820 conception of that odin wrote up on slepner to a viking guy and said hi my name's odin

04:10:11.200 Our people, our ancestors

04:10:17.220 Developed their relationship with the Allfather over millennia

04:10:23.080 And grew to know him by that name

04:10:26.920 And apply that name to him

04:10:29.360 And a set of characteristics that they grew to know

04:10:33.580 Based on their special and unique relationship to him

04:10:39.240 different groups of our ancestors as they migrated and separated from different from each other in

04:10:46.880 different climates developed a different understanding of the same force of divinity

04:10:53.380 applied different characteristics that they knew and how they knew the knew the all-father

04:11:00.500 and different nomenclature sometimes sometimes not or sometimes the same root but in their own

04:11:10.520 dialect but the names stories and characteristics of our gods in each of the Arian pantheons comes

04:11:21.380 from a very specific, often many thousands of years relationship with these divinities.

04:11:30.760 And you get to know them in very different ways.

04:11:36.160 And I know this, maybe I'm not expressing it well.

04:11:40.860 Maybe it's certainly probably hard to wrap our head around.

04:11:47.160 but i believe that's very much the case and i think that the only thing we can you know perhaps

04:11:54.760 liken it to each of your relationships with different people in your life

04:12:02.840 is very different and they may know you in really different ways

04:12:07.560 um if you met a friend of mine from high school and ask them about me the me they would describe

04:12:16.440 would probably be in a lot of ways very different than me that is talking to you now

04:12:23.160 um you know what 25 years of of growth tends to do that if you asked my mom about me

04:12:35.880 when she was still alive she would describe me in very different ways than you would

04:12:43.400 because she knows me as her son, as the little baby that she, you know, breastfed and took care

04:12:51.180 of and changed my diapers and all. I mean, I would be a completely different set of descriptors

04:12:57.240 to describe the same person. You know, when I was bouncing, people that I tossed out on their head

04:13:05.860 would probably describe me real different than people in this chat room because their interactions

04:13:12.300 with me, we're in a very, very different context. None of that has anything to do with disingenuousness

04:13:19.380 or all of that is completely and totally legitimate, but all of it is very different.

04:13:26.380 And if that's the case in one person's lifetime, all within, you know, a relatively connected

04:13:35.180 culture, and this isn't an exact analogy, this is just a starting point to express the thought

04:13:42.900 that I'm having. I feel like over millennia in thousands of miles of different, completely

04:13:51.180 language different, climate different, culturally different contexts, our people grew to develop

04:13:59.200 relationships with our gods in very different ways that shared a lot of points of commonality

04:14:05.440 but also shared a lot of points of difference based on their relationships

04:14:11.200 and i think that's the closest i come to answer being able to answer your question in a satisfactory

04:14:16.880 way swan what are your thoughts that that was a very good way of of laying that down on the table

04:14:26.480 I think that it's worth noting that a lot of people don't – they see the gods and their ability and influx into the material and into the center and into the place of the middle.

04:14:50.420 um they see this interaction within this place is their willful manifestation of how

04:14:57.020 uh the balancing of these forces play out around us uh whether it's you know the equilibrium of

04:15:03.760 weather and light and tide and all of these things um they'll have a tendency to allocate um

04:15:10.520 oh well nor is the is the god of the seas except ayer is the yotin of the seas and then

04:15:20.200 And Odin is the Skyfather, but he's also the, you know, the chooser of the slain and the magic user of the gods or the giver of the runes.

04:15:32.100 And Thor is the striker and Heimdall is probably just Odin in another form.

04:15:37.700 You start to go, they start to kind of pick and choose and mosaic a lot of things together.

04:15:44.920 I think that one of the things that helped me understand, too, was that the stratification of the gods, the multiplicity, the stratification is based off of kind of the influence in a lot of ways.

04:15:57.320 When we see the wind and the storm and the stars and the sun and the moon and the stratification of the heavens and understanding the gods and how they implement those powers into the middle as individual pieces all working together.

04:16:14.920 it's the same with also the jotens and their kind of interplay into the middle um it's

04:16:22.580 these primordial pieces these currents or forces or powers are orchestrated and that that's what

04:16:33.140 we mean that's what i mean by dominion the dominion of them interacting uh and placing

04:16:39.300 themselves or influencing things they're not the literal of they are the adjudicator of they are

04:16:47.780 the implementer of they are symbiotic powerfully with these elements that they fulfill in the whole

04:16:56.020 entire um orchestra that's playing out is the best way i could i could i could say and we're

04:17:04.260 we too are in that. And just like individuals versus the whole, we can see the gods as a whole,

04:17:11.040 but we must know too that they are of the individuals. People might see a group of people

04:17:17.280 as, oh, those are Americans or those people are Virginians or whatever you have. But those

04:17:23.680 individuals and that stratification, if you will, is necessary for the whole. It's the way that

04:17:34.060 everything in the universe works there's never a condensement down to singularity except in

04:17:42.220 uh the desire to create a singularity whether it's the pursuit of truth or the oneness or the one

04:17:49.420 um nothing ever seems to go in that direction and and it's constantly hinted on that there are three

04:17:57.580 whether it's adumla and yggdrasil and emir in our lore there's always this kind of um you know the

04:18:04.860 or it's muspelheim niflheim in the gap and so there's always this kind of idea of the dynamic

04:18:10.380 movement and there has to be multiple forces forces moving against each other moving within

04:18:17.260 each other and interacting with each other in order for all of this to continue and i think

04:18:23.660 that's a key imperative point of most all arian religions whether the stories over time morphed

04:18:30.860 have been lost to time the gaulish stories some of the the irish and the scottish have you hammerized

04:18:36.700 the gods into chieftains and clan leaders the gauls in france their religion is almost completely

04:18:43.500 archaeological based there's not a lot of like any written lore as they got completely washed

04:18:49.100 over by the Romans. Um, but the Germanic people have, have a distinct, um, trait in the sense that

04:18:58.000 a lot of that, that, uh, variations kind of happened more internally than externally. It

04:19:04.500 didn't really take the true external hit until very later on in the Viking age. Um, but you know,

04:19:13.660 there the it leaves you at a conundrum if you believe in yours and uh in the stories yours

04:19:21.180 gives birth to frigga if you believe in uh perhaps like grither and um as being kind of

04:19:28.380 like the detrimental she's pulling and pushing her dominion of detrimental earth whereas your

04:19:35.820 this scene is the giving earth um are these the same gods are they all just boiled down into one

04:19:42.540 or are these individual willful spiritual beings that have the ability to move primordial forces

04:19:52.540 to orchestrate much like an individual playing an instrument um that everyone's creating sound

04:19:59.820 everyone's creating vibration but each instrument is uniquely different and each instrument is being

04:20:05.260 played and oftentimes you've got violinists and you've got cellists and you have percussionists

04:20:12.540 and they could be seen as a group but the individuals are doing things even despite

04:20:19.340 their similarity in instrument and i think that's the way i have always viewed the gods as the

04:20:24.700 multiplicity of these primordial forces being willfully utilized moved interacted with sometimes

04:20:34.940 clashing and always it's it's you can look at them in their similarities but you also have to see them

04:20:41.760 in their in their uh individualness so the stratification of the heavens stratification of

04:20:48.580 the earth is natural and i think that's our ancestors as they began to know the gods saw that

04:20:55.820 they learned that they were they interacted with the gods and they did that for a reason it wasn't

04:21:00.700 like there was just a sky daddy and an earth mommy and then somewhere along the way someone

04:21:05.620 hit their head and decided to make up all these other gods that somehow are just really facets

04:21:13.880 or aspects of sky daddy earth mommy um i think i've always viewed the the idea of an orchestra

04:21:23.360 as the best way to look at it is is that these individual groups have individual members and

04:21:30.520 they're they're playing instruments and everything is coalescing together in those powers and and we

04:21:38.400 are kind of in the middle of it in a way too we are also playing our part but yes i would see them

04:21:44.440 as individuals and now if you're talking about globally i don't really concern myself with

04:21:48.940 anything outside of my folk it's just not on my horizon i don't you know capitulate or theorize

04:21:57.660 or what have you. It's kind of irrelevant to me. And I think that's one thing that a lot of

04:22:02.700 people don't get about folkish spirituality is that I have connection and then I don't have

04:22:13.400 connection. Everyone kind of tries to relent that there is, oh, well, we're connected through death

04:22:18.920 or we're connected through oxygen. We all have oxygen. We all have this. We all have that.

04:22:23.380 I'm not concerned with that. I'm concerned with, you know, our, our people outside of that,

04:22:29.320 they can do what they want. But, um, I feel that our people's way of interacting with the divine

04:22:35.800 is the truthful way. It's the truthful way to me, it's the truthful way to our people.

04:22:41.820 So it is the truth. And so after a certain point logically going on, you can again, get into

04:22:51.860 obscura eventually um to the point where it becomes irrelevant and i think that's what

04:22:57.620 happened with like monotheism once monotheism became universalist and then universalism led to

04:23:04.020 a kind of foreignality between the the interactions of the people's souls with the divine

04:23:08.820 the divine just became an obscure thing it was very defined if you read this book this is what

04:23:14.660 he does you know locusts and um sky rabbi and all that stuff and then you shift over to uh you know

04:23:22.900 like uh heidegger and um hegelian concepts of am i god am i within god and is god external

04:23:33.140 and it just becomes so relative that you you lose all of your cultural foundation of

04:23:40.340 having that intimacy with the gods

04:23:44.660 So something else that I think is worth mentioning too, I think a lot of people are like, well, yeah, but if that's true, I mean, there are folk, why don't we just do Greek stuff or Roman stuff?

04:24:04.100 Or why don't we do Celtic stuff?

04:24:07.460 And I counter that if they are different reflections of the same divinity.

04:24:17.120 We could become exponentially irrelevant by focusing on the possibility of doing things differently and reinventing the wheel every single time.

04:24:34.680 But the truth is, Odin reached out and awoke the souls of our folk.

04:24:47.120 You see that in an early Germanic revival that's more widespread than any other revival of that type.

04:24:59.860 You see that in the simultaneous workings of Elsie Christensen, Steve McNallan, and Sven Bjorn with no connection to one another.

04:25:14.600 you see that with the development of thriving and real Aryan pagan practice

04:25:23.380 through the way that we were doing it there's no instance of Jupiter reaching out to Chef Boyardee

04:25:32.960 and making something happen that didn't work that way what did work that way is Odin reached out

04:25:39.760 to Steve McNeill. In whatever way you want to take that, this is the form that the gods took

04:25:47.420 when reawakening the soul of our people to do this that we're doing. And that's why it's very

04:25:56.360 important that this is what we focus on instead of getting mired in minutia of what could have,

04:26:04.820 woulda shoulda this is what is and we invite all of our folk to be part of what is and what's

04:26:11.060 happening and what we're doing because something truly amazing and revolutionary in the history of

04:26:17.840 our race is occurring and we want all of our brothers and sisters to be a part of that

04:26:23.120 So I got lost in answering questions, and I forgot to do the 13th rune song associated with the bar rune, which is Bircano.

04:26:40.220 A thirteenth I know, if I take up water, and on a young fane throw it, he will not fall to the foes in strife, nor sink beneath the sword.

04:26:56.880 What do you make of this, Svahn?

04:27:01.780 Can you repeat that again? I'm sorry.

04:27:04.440 I can.

04:27:05.080 The clock end with my dog being crazy right now.

04:27:10.220 It's okay. A thirteenth I know. If I take up water and on a young thane throw it, he will not fall to foes in strife, not sink beneath the sword.

04:27:23.880 this this is absolutely that correlation again to protectiveness this is a reason why um

04:27:32.280 even in in i would say like collaborative and uh the coalition of when you when you read a

04:27:41.060 modern rune book or or something of that nature or even something a little older like

04:27:46.820 futhark and things like that there's clear connotations to rejuvenation and protection

04:27:51.520 in relation to this room and it comes i think the protection part specifically comes from

04:27:58.480 this rune poem um and i think that it it has a correlation when they talk about the sprinkling

04:28:06.560 of the water the hallowing i've often wondered if the if the birch tyne utilized to hallow uh may

04:28:15.600 have been seen uh culturally as a protective time uh an anointment through the birch sprig

04:28:27.680 is specifically built for protection but the the uh the rune itself in relation to all of this i

04:28:36.160 think again is about protecting that which is um the future whether it's a child whether it's as

04:28:44.000 it's mentioned here a young fame or a um a young prince or a young warrior um the idea of that

04:28:52.160 the need for protection why you're trying to protect that which is young youthful and so full

04:28:58.000 of promise for a future involves kind of encapsulating and allowing the growth of that

04:29:07.200 um that future possibility instead of uh you know bearing it out into the wind or testing it

04:29:14.000 It is about kind of anointing and covering over so that things can be learned and tested a little bit over time and allowed for that rejuvenation to occur.

04:29:28.620 I absolutely see it as

04:29:39.220 that feminine force 0.99

04:29:47.440 the mothers 0.98

04:29:50.860 the desear

04:29:52.260 the idea of

04:29:54.200 anointing

04:29:57.040 a young man before he goes into battle with things to protect him as is a tradition in our people in

04:30:04.460 a lot of ways the idea of the mother putting something on their son or giving them something

04:30:12.980 for luck and for protection is really fundamental and it's something that we see in modern

04:30:19.540 us true practice when we have various anointing of things we we see that in our baby naming rituals

04:30:28.420 we see that oftentimes when someone um oftentimes a githya will will draw a rune on someone or um

04:30:37.540 in some other way sprinkle them for protection and i think that that's

04:30:43.380 a key towards some of the essence of that room

04:30:46.420 um so next up

04:30:57.220 i'm going to set up my altar but i'm still confused about the part of gifting to the gods

04:31:05.860 could i have some explaining on that so um

04:31:11.380 The fundamental of our worship of our gods and our interaction with the divine is what we call the gift cycle.

04:31:22.880 The gift cycle is the process of giving and receiving between gods and folk.

04:31:41.380 So much of our lore is cyclical in its nature.

04:31:46.960 That's a very important theme in the practice of Al-Satru.

04:31:51.160 Our interaction with our gods is done in the context of a relationship.

04:32:01.220 And a relationship is give and take.

04:32:03.440 It's sharing.

04:32:04.780 So we are in the most ancient times when our ancestors would most often give bloat to the gods as a sacrificed animal.

04:32:15.220 Unlike other different groups of people, we didn't just burn a whole animal to the gods.

04:32:22.920 That wasn't the point.

04:32:26.020 We gave a certain portion to the gods.

04:32:31.800 We asperged with the blood to share the sacrality around the participants.

04:32:37.780 And then we all shared a feast to where symbolically the God was eating part of it.

04:32:44.520 And the whole community was sharing a meal with our gods.

04:32:49.920 That sharing with them is part of that process.

04:32:54.900 Very often, if you make an offering to the gods, say, at your altar and it's, you know, some kind of a libation, some kind of a, you know, you're pouring a shot.

04:33:08.640 It's very customary to take a shot for yourself as well, to drink with the gods as part of that sharing process.

04:33:16.500 um in bloat when we and again your altar is a a microcosm of that macrocosm but in bloat

04:33:29.380 we'll stay in the circle and there's there's two rounds there's a giving round and a receiving

04:33:35.700 round in the first round we all pour our energy into the offering usually it's into a horn that's

04:33:45.560 filled with mead or something, some other alcoholic beverage.

04:33:50.520 And after we fill that with our worship and our love and our energy,

04:33:54.900 we offer that to the gods.

04:33:58.420 Then we raise the horn up high, refilled with mead,

04:34:02.240 and we ask the gods to put their blessings into the horn for us,

04:34:07.020 and we pass it around and we share it.

04:34:09.780 When you make an offering at your altar, that's the idea,

04:34:13.980 is sharing something with the gods,

04:34:17.240 putting your energy into something

04:34:19.460 that you are then sending out or leaving out

04:34:23.660 for the gods to partake of

04:34:25.660 in the hopes that they will in turn

04:34:28.780 bestow as a gift to you their blessings.

04:34:33.860 And by continuously doing that,

04:34:35.920 you become, you grow closer together.

04:34:40.020 It's the same idea of, you know,

04:34:42.080 if you're building a friendship,

04:34:43.320 you're sharing, you're giving them gifts, them giving you gifts in return builds a relationship

04:34:50.820 over time. You're inviting them to your house and them returning the favor and inviting you

04:34:56.880 to their house builds a relationship in a very similar way, obviously on a much more unequal

04:35:04.260 scale. But in essence, it's the same principle when you're gifting to our gods and you're

04:35:12.100 participating in gift cycle in that way. But as we said earlier, the important thing is to just do

04:35:18.360 it and make the effort. Doing it and making the effort, you learn as you go. But if your heart's

04:35:24.220 in the right place and you're giving an offering that is sincere and well-meant and done in the

04:35:32.280 right spirit, we have to assume that our gods will understand that and accept it in that spirit and

04:35:40.580 hopefully return blessings to you. Question for us both. But I thought I would ask Svon first.

04:35:47.640 So you're up first on this one, Svon. As a gothi at Thorshof, do you have any insight into what

04:35:54.680 the relationship with Sif would look like for the AFA in general and Alcetruar individually?

04:36:02.080 Yes, absolutely. So in relation linguistically, especially in Old Norse, the connotation is

04:36:16.420 more about family or the encapsulation of the family in relation to the land.

04:36:24.220 So the idea of that which is produced from the land that feeds the family. There is an intrinsic line between that which is grown, that which is produced from the soil, that which is taken and cultivated, that which is then preserved and or consumed, and the strength of the family.

04:36:45.760 That, you know, it's the absolute truth of the idea that the strength of the family comes from that which they can provide for themselves.

04:36:58.060 And in that, I think that correlation of the fruit of the earth is the true dominion power in which Sif and Thor correlate with us in between all of that.

04:37:17.520 If we were to talk about that as a kind of an interaction is when we see Thor and the blessing rain and the storm and the waters that help the earth grow, that intercorrelation, Sif is in essence that life force and power, but more so not just goddess of grain or goddess of corn or goddess of said this.

04:37:46.620 It is not that. It's the power, the intimate relationship between the earth and the sky that produces that much needed strength that will be cultivated and then given out to the family and given out to the children and ensuring the health of the man and the woman and the ability to produce and grow.

04:38:10.080 So I feel I've always seen the relationship of Sif as the might, if there is might of the sky and might of strength and bravery, there is might of the earth and might of the strength and the fuel.

04:38:37.440 the structure of what we eat, consume, and grow stronger. And so I have always held Sif in

04:38:48.840 connection to groves and to places of cultivation, the toil of the work, the furrowing,

04:38:59.140 the, uh, the overseeing of taking the seed, placing it within the earth and cultivating it

04:39:07.780 out. I do correlate a lot of the fruitfulness of animals and things to Lord Frey or just

04:39:15.780 fruitfulness in general. But I think it's the intimate point of cultivating food

04:39:21.860 to the water of the sky is is what i'm ultimately getting at um i think that it speaks

04:39:31.820 of the feminine might that grows within the clan or the family just as we view thor not just simply

04:39:39.320 as storm father or you know uh jotun striker there is also a sense that he is the god of

04:39:47.260 warriors and he is a warrior and he is strong. And so we wish to kind of emulate and bring and

04:39:55.660 be booned with that strength. It is just the same from her, except through our works and through

04:40:01.980 our ability to convert that work into plausible strength that allows us to live, that allows us

04:40:10.740 to be strong. Um, so I have, um, I, I talked to, uh, I can't remember his name. Uh, he was

04:40:22.800 referring to, I know like in the Greek correspondence or, or Romanesque, there was

04:40:29.180 these kind of moments where we were doing correlations kind of like in the, in the game

04:40:34.320 of Tacitus. And one of the closest correlations I could find is if you were to think of like

04:40:42.700 Cirrus, it's a C-E-R-E-S. It's where we get the word cereal from. Again, you know, you're looking

04:40:52.240 at the Greco-Roman, you know, Persephone and, but you have Cirrus as well as goddess of the grain

04:41:00.420 and the strength of the land that is being cultivated by the family.

04:41:09.080 But I don't think it's just that simple.

04:41:13.520 I view the gods as being vertical and I view the asinir or goddesses as being horizontal

04:41:20.480 in the sense that they intertwine a lot of overarching powers.

04:41:27.860 So if we talk about might and we talk about protection, then we would talk about, I guess, internalized might and internalized virility and strength coming through work and pre-planning and things of that nature.

04:41:45.540 So at Thorshoff, we have fields across the street that are being constantly worked and things like that of that nature.

04:41:54.680 And, you know, conceptualizing again, a lot of people say, oh, you know, it's it's she's not related to wheat or what have you.

04:42:05.000 I think that the story of the felling of wheat and the regrowing, there's symbolic connection there that I find in my interactions with her a kind of good thing.

04:42:20.860 It is good to be able to toil the earth and gain that from the earth and bring strength to the family.

04:42:29.100 I don't see that there's a deviation from it.

04:42:31.340 some people don't know how to connect those two. And I would say ultimately right now, shrines and

04:42:40.260 or also stained glass that are going to be placed over the windows at Thorshof, one of them in

04:42:48.660 particular is going to be focused around Thor and Sif and Magni and Modi and Thrudr, all in the

04:42:58.620 encompassing sense of the strength and the might and the toil of the earth and the, and

04:43:05.160 the family growing stronger from it. I often also, just to expound on this a little bit further,

04:43:12.320 I have always associated through the, with brewing and the strength of brew. And in essence,

04:43:20.420 kind of like the child of the field is the brew or the, or the, the beer. I've often,

04:43:27.280 when i was brewing um at length i used a long time ago um i would place offerings to through

04:43:34.840 there for good brew uh that it wouldn't become bitter or contaminated or had to be thrown out

04:43:41.180 so a lot of times during thor's night during yule i would pitch yeast and drop yeast for

04:43:48.980 brews and i would give uh thanks and honor through there as she is the child of the of the field if

04:43:56.260 you will. So there's that correlative sense, I guess, would be the best way to look at it. But

04:44:04.560 I also consider Sif to be an Austvenir. She is not mentioned in the Gilfaginning, in the litany

04:44:13.840 of the goddesses, but she is clearly a goddess. But the titling of Austvenir, the beloved ones,

04:44:21.460 I think correlates to the goddesses that are intimately connected with their counterparts.

04:44:34.020 They're almost inseparable as they are kind of a unification of a complete cycle.

04:44:40.640 I don't have much more to add

04:44:47.740 than what Swan just did on that

04:44:50.000 other than

04:44:50.840 I think of

04:44:56.260 Seif

04:44:57.340 a bit

04:44:58.660 less the struggle

04:45:03.280 and the might of the earth

04:45:06.140 as much as the

04:45:07.420 I don't know the

04:45:11.160 the shining ornamentation of that

04:45:17.080 the treasure that comes from the earth

04:45:19.460 the bounty of the earth

04:45:20.940 the beauty that comes from an abundant harvest

04:45:27.460 not so much in a

04:45:29.600 mighty aspect

04:45:34.260 as much as in a

04:45:36.340 radiant and beautiful and glorious aspect of you know the field well taken care of

04:45:46.540 and well nurtured produces this beautiful amazing bounty that is such a treasure

04:45:52.320 to all who all who possess it to all who were able to have that i picture her in that way

04:46:01.160 but I think it

04:46:03.600 goes back to the same thing

04:46:05.800 it's just a little bit different

04:46:07.240 reflection of her

04:46:09.840 that I think

04:46:10.540 I focus on more

04:46:13.280 her next question is interesting

04:46:17.500 I remember I saw this hours ago

04:46:19.360 and it's funny to me that it comes up

04:46:21.840 this far from when it was

04:46:23.980 asked

04:46:24.420 it was asked at 7.18

04:46:26.680 it's now 10.47

04:46:28.420 Have you heard of the YouTube channel Dharma Nation and their Vedic guru, Sri Dharmapravartaka

04:46:40.740 Acharya? He is a white man of European descent, Spanish and Italian, if I recall. Also, do

04:46:46.900 you think it is okay for white people to practice Hinduism slash Eastern Aryan religion? He

04:46:52.400 says also true and hinduism are sister religions and he seems to understand the deeper indo-european

04:46:59.280 connection here he even did a hindu style prayer slash mantra to thor in one of his videos

04:47:08.160 so yeah first yes um i mean i haven't i wasn't necessarily aware of the youtube presence but um

04:47:16.080 We've been aware of Acharya G for a long time, and his white people name is Frank Morales, and yeah, he's a Spaniard.

04:47:31.160 Perhaps he does have some Italian ancestry.

04:47:35.980 I've had like a message once or twice back and forth with him.

04:47:41.040 Our law speaker has talked to him quite a bit more and actually has visited with him one time.

04:47:50.440 He's been very complimentary of Steve McAllen in at least one of his books.

04:47:55.940 He's, yeah, I have a pretty high opinion of him as far as that goes.

04:48:01.820 i think he's from what i know of him in my relatively limited interaction i think he's

04:48:10.220 a good guy i think he's a very well-meaning guy very smart guy and i'm i appreciate that

04:48:16.860 he did you know i'm curious if this was a new or a different mantra he actually

04:48:23.100 speaking to us kind of gave us some mantras that i don't think a lot of people used or whatever but

04:48:34.320 that were four mantras one was and that was super short but the other one was

04:48:46.260 and i'm not sure i probably if anyone on here speaks sanskrit you're welcome to slap me next

04:49:10.740 time you see me because I guarantee you I butchered all of those Sanskrit words that I don't know the

04:49:17.420 exact translation of nor pronunciation of but basically Thor the you know Odin's son the

04:49:24.220 wielder of the of the Vajra um but yeah and that was

04:49:30.340 i don't know in like 2012 or so that was quite a while ago um so i don't know if

04:49:41.060 he's developed new ones that he does or whatever but he's had really good interaction i think that

04:49:46.260 sure on sister religions i think the degree of separation is probably a bit bigger

04:49:58.700 I am not as opposed to that as

04:50:07.440 You know, shoot, I'm not as opposed to that

04:50:09.900 As I am to Christianity

04:50:11.820 Or white people converting to Judaism

04:50:14.720 Or white people practicing Shinto

04:50:17.980 Because at least there is a root connection

04:50:21.280 To original Aryan divinity in a way

04:50:24.220 Um, but I think that if you are an Arian person and you want to pursue the authentic worship of

04:50:35.280 our gods, I would, if you're that far, if you're that far on that path, I would much rather you

04:50:41.720 come over here and do this with us. And I, yes, that's self-serving. Obviously, I'm sure he would

04:50:48.620 say he wants us all to go over and be part of his organization. I get that. But in a very authentic

04:50:54.100 way, I think this and our development of it is much closer to the mark than theirs.

04:51:04.340 I will say this, and I don't claim to have as in-depth understanding of his personal theology

04:51:12.080 as some people might, so I don't want to get too in the weeds with it.

04:51:17.420 But I think that, so he mentioned how Hinduism is a sister religion,

04:51:29.580 and if that's a direct quote, then I certainly don't contradict that.

04:51:34.100 You heard that, but he's usually fairly nuanced in talking about

04:51:42.080 dharma or vedic religion instead of using the term hindu because he sees the deviation

04:51:51.380 from the original aryan root faith in modern hinduism so he likes to refer to

04:52:01.060 what he does as vedic or as as dharma and the vedic practice of dharma so he he gets that

04:52:11.080 modern Hinduism has traveled fairly far away from the mark of the original root faith.

04:52:19.400 And he tries to correct that. He also sees that indigenous people of an area worshiping their

04:52:28.000 gods and the gods of their race and their people is Dharma. That is the appropriate right action

04:52:35.500 in the right time of the universe he believes that and he you know speaks um approvingly of

04:52:43.900 ousatru and i really appreciate that so you know don't go join dharma nation you should all join

04:52:50.540 the afa instead but that being said i really do have a lot of respect for acharya g frank morales

04:52:58.940 and uh you know i wish he'd come over on over here also i think he's probably unlikely to do that but

04:53:06.460 he's certainly welcome uh svan do you have any any knowledge or any relationship to share about

04:53:16.540 uh char eg or frank morales i am limited very very limited i remember us even discussing uh

04:53:26.700 some of his works and things back when in the um as i think it's pre 2019 2000 yeah 2019 um

04:53:39.100 as far as uh that i mean nothing that i've ever read and again expounding on the idea of

04:53:45.500 of uh i think it was those discussions about correct law or corrective action or law or you

04:53:53.660 know versus dharmic concepts um or not versus but like parallel um spurned a huge amount of growth

04:54:02.060 because i think that was right around the same time that we were talking about if there are

04:54:06.460 missing pieces to our structure can we take the blueprints of other um structures and hold it

04:54:13.660 over ours and see where things might connect overlap and and rebuild or issues that we need

04:54:19.660 to discuss and conceptualize and or see if in the lore there is a substantiation there that we're

04:54:26.220 just missing and so that was all i think really too kind of spurned on by a lot of his um discussions

04:54:33.740 but outside of that i don't claim to uh sir i i certainly don't know him um that's certainly not

04:54:40.380 as well as you elsewhere but um uh all truly interesting topics but i'm a believer that

04:54:46.620 But especially within the branches, there's wisdom and the value of understanding.

04:54:53.300 I take people that practice a kind of hybrid of Ausatru with Hinduism.

04:55:01.260 I see them as they're on a personal path, which is different, I think, for me as I see, I feel that I'm on a collective path with others.

04:55:13.540 Um, and the reason why I say that is because even as you had said, I was here ago, these

04:55:18.420 that he mentions about how the deviation of the religion had, had veered into its direction.

04:55:24.660 So I find a lot of those, those, um, those folks kind of, uh, are recalibrating it, but

04:55:34.020 they're kind of doing it on their own.

04:55:36.280 And that's just an observation of, of, of, of a truth that I see is like, they're kind

04:55:40.760 of, you know, they have their very deeply introspective views of the way that they would

04:55:46.300 formulate mantras and then incorporate and perhaps, you know, pull away from things that

04:55:51.940 they see as not being correct. And, you know, their knowledge of ancient texts from that,

04:56:00.160 you know, from the Bhagavad Gita and all of that stuff is way beyond mine, because I have

04:56:05.080 an extremely insular uh looking at all of the spirituality and all of the the tenets of divinity

04:56:15.000 and understanding from within my group like within my people so i can find similarities and i i love

04:56:23.340 listening and looking for those similarities for connective tissues or just again being able to

04:56:29.740 overlay ideas onto, it's almost like taking the blueprints back home and going, ah, you know,

04:56:36.340 I see now, maybe there's that. And then respectively returning it. I'm not trying to

04:56:42.440 overly pull. So I don't really, you know, or perhaps it's just in the details. What is a

04:56:50.540 mantra to one person might be, you know, galled or to another or meditation to out sitting,

04:56:56.940 um so on and so forth but i try to function pretty much within my circle as far as people

04:57:04.620 celebrating that like i said it's a lot of seems to be on individual reasonings

04:57:10.160 and again i think a lot of it is because they're not i had an interaction with the with a young

04:57:16.100 man that was very much uh he had i guess he he went through um even he was doing a lot of

04:57:24.740 hinduism or vedic hinduism and he was even kind of coming from a place where um he was

04:57:32.900 at one time i think a hari krishna um and i i don't know if that's like i can't be like that's

04:57:39.940 good or bad or whatever that is but when i spoke of to him about lord fray when i spoke to him

04:57:47.380 about him being the laughing prince that rides upon the bloody hoofed horse with a sword that

04:57:52.900 strikes down his enemies by a wave of his hand he said i was describing it almost like a

04:58:00.340 some sort of a vedic story and um i was just kind of seeing the story of numerous pieces and i think

04:58:10.740 the fragmentation of our lore doesn't allow people to soak up and really breathe in the story

04:58:19.220 because we're seeing it so two-dimensionally flat written out and not seeing it as a story

04:58:25.460 as as the stories from the gods passed down to us and the greatness of that that kind of meta

04:58:32.020 spirit of what a story is and the ability to place it into that so i think a lot of folks

04:58:39.140 that don't find that they they see it in like the vedic paths and that attracts them and then they

04:58:47.300 they incorporate um i don't really do that but i don't have a problem with folks who are doing that

04:58:55.300 i would of course like to see us all join and unify and be under one banner but uh you know

04:59:01.940 i i have met members of the afa who do still do that they just know that we're not incorporating

04:59:09.140 We are our Germanic expression at Hoffs, at bloat, or, you know, at national events and things like that.

04:59:18.020 And they're fine with that.

04:59:18.760 They go home, they incorporate as they see fit.

04:59:21.400 They know exactly where they are when it comes to the whole of the people.

04:59:25.700 So that's, I mean, I don't have much more on that.

04:59:31.100 All right.

04:59:31.440 let's let me find the next one here i gotta scroll back one thing too i i saw it so um in the

04:59:44.260 comments uh eager kun uh kuningas the terrible or awesome king uh commented rowan i wanted to i saw

04:59:56.460 that in the comments and i was like oh so good on you eager um the uh the rowan tree in its

05:00:06.300 specifically in its correlation to thor and sif because we brought that up as well and uh the

05:00:15.180 the sammyer laplanders when they have their um when they speak of of their striker thor uh they

05:00:23.260 call rowan the wife of um and of course this is correlating into the story in which thor reaches

05:00:31.420 up and grabs a rowan tree to pull himself out of the river after slaying the uh jotness and um

05:00:37.980 i've often taken that to mean there were influences coming into the late nordic period from

05:00:46.220 the northern like almost uh north north norwegian swede finland just as much as there was slavic

05:00:54.300 influences coming up because as they traveled um i think the story of how barth and the

05:01:01.660 altercation between lord odin and thor plays out uniquely as it does because of its influences from

05:01:08.540 the Slavic Veles Perun dichotomy, but I just wanted to bring it up. Rowan, you are correct.

05:01:17.580 Good call on that. My mistake. All right. So the next question is,

05:01:25.820 in the membership application, there's a question about belonging to a kindred.

05:01:29.740 Does this mean only an AFA kindred or any non-associated kindred?

05:01:34.220 didn't think you cared about a backyard a backyard buddy's kindred but thought i'd ask

05:01:41.020 you know what i think that's kind of a grandfather and in question on a very old application it may

05:01:47.580 even predate when we officially recognized afa kindreds in the modern era

05:01:55.020 so don't overthink it if you're part of a kindred put down your kindred if you're part of an afa

05:02:00.460 okay no so here all right i logicked this one out and this may be retcon but

05:02:08.620 because i'm the sovereign of the astro folk assembly i can i can make these decisions on

05:02:13.020 the fly if need be it's official now yes there you go so it's if you're in a non-afa kindred

05:02:19.020 and i think it's a holdover that's in there but i say that because you're not allowed to

05:02:24.940 be in an afa kindred if you are not an afa member so if you're filling out an application

05:02:29.420 it's either internally so we can mark you as a member of a kindred or if you're filling it out

05:02:35.320 for the first time as an application you couldn't possibly be a member of an afa kindred so it has

05:02:42.200 to be something else but that's a so sometimes that's a subtle misnomer and there'll be people

05:02:49.260 who've been hanging around an afa kindred assume they're a member of it and we'll put that on their

05:02:54.420 application. When you're not initiated and have been around a long time, that may seem like a

05:03:01.960 subtle, you know, difference. We're not getting hung up on that. But yeah, if you are part of

05:03:08.700 a kindred, whatever that case might be, go ahead and put it on there. But it's not a, it's not a

05:03:17.640 super super critical point um i doubt we would recognize the name of most backyard buddies as

05:03:25.400 you described the kindreds um there may be a few kindreds that you know do have a reputation that

05:03:31.160 we might you know ask about and see see what's up with that but i wouldn't put a lot of stress

05:03:38.120 in it just you know answer it as best you can um next up when was yggdrasil created

05:03:50.680 does it predate the slaying of ymir son what are your thoughts about the timeline of those events

05:03:57.880 yes i i i consistently bring up the um the three primordial dawning um

05:04:11.560 entity powers within um the gap if you will um as these powers have changed since then yggdrasil

05:04:22.200 remains uh the great the great tree um in between that gap of the north and the gap of the south

05:04:29.800 the fire the fire of the south and ice of the north and in that great gap there is the the tree

05:04:36.440 that that buds the emir and ad umla and so there's no real specific timeline as as to its um

05:04:51.640 all of its placement but i i clearly see that there's like this moment where the gods um

05:04:59.800 are not. As Ad Umla is that life force that produces, there is, again,

05:05:10.320 catalystic, static, and dynamic that plays out. And that is my studying and coming to

05:05:23.300 the theosophical patterning of things, trying to understand the patterns,

05:05:28.560 seeing that, seeing the stasis of Yggdrasil and the dynamicism of Adumla and the catalystic nature

05:05:40.560 of Ymir all playing out. And again, this pattern continuously happens throughout our lore in

05:05:48.480 micro and or i'm in macro as in micro um there there's of course there's no it gets very

05:05:57.680 uh dicey i guess would be the best word it's the only word that comes to my mind right now

05:06:03.180 but you know when when we speak of the of of birdie rising out and in the stories that i like to

05:06:10.020 to tell especially the kids you know when birdie rises out and climbs the cliff and goes into the

05:06:16.440 primordial cold. He lives there, and not much is known of him, and he begets a son. That son

05:06:25.080 returns to the edge, knowing he is not of the Hrimthursar or the Hrimyot, and he sees out into

05:06:31.980 the gap. He sees the budding tree, and he says, there is where we will create our home with his

05:06:40.680 um pregnant wife bestla and they travel into the mists of of the of the gap and find the tree but

05:06:49.640 at that tree there is a threat and i think that's what this is all about is this again the catalyst

05:06:54.840 isn't is an imminent uh changing force it might be dormant but at at any moment can spill over and

05:07:04.360 And Adumla is, of course, dynamic in the sense that she has bridged through places, pieces of her, her creation, her intent, her will have moved through and moved around.

05:07:17.720 Whereas Yggdrasil remains the center, the part of which all of the beginnings and the buddings of life are waiting.

05:07:28.520 And when the gods return there from Nifl and from Niflheim, they initiate the growth and thus slaying of Ymir and the gods and their placement in the upper world.

05:07:44.580 And the tree is bore up and the middle world is created.

05:07:49.160 And then, of course, the lower world is part of that ancient primordial that was from the beginning.

05:07:55.080 So I do believe that they all three were placed with it or manifested in the gap.

05:08:07.240 Yes, I agree.

05:08:14.540 Yeah, that's one of those fundamentals to the existence of things.

05:08:19.760 it's kind of a framework that the you know that our existence is built upon so i do think it was

05:08:26.880 at that very early stage um

05:08:34.880 matt and svan thoughts on animism and people who claim also true and all religion is rooted in

05:08:42.880 animism. We call those people atheists, people that contemplate that, ah, I speculate that

05:08:55.880 all religion is primitives, personifying rocks and trees as being spirits. It's arrogant

05:09:04.720 And it's insulting.

05:09:05.580 And I think that one of the big downfalls of it is because academics make that claim, people seeking to authentically go back to their pagan roots, take that on as if that's a truth and then try to reintegrate that.

05:09:33.620 And I don't think that's a successful thing to do.

05:09:38.400 There's a difference between the rock being a spirit and the rock being a focal point of spirits that are not the rock.

05:09:53.720 And that may be a subtle distinction, but it makes all the difference in the world.

05:09:58.340 thor's oak was sacred because it is a symbol and a worship spot and a sacred site

05:10:10.940 to interact with thor not because the oak is thor those two things are very different

05:10:19.940 um and i think it's it's really important our

05:10:25.300 For us to accept the labeling of academics and of Christians, that because our ancestors weren't Christian, they were, you know, Ooga Boogas isn't the point.

05:10:45.040 We have this veneration of Ooga Booga-ism that is a disrespect to our ancestors.

05:10:52.560 It's the same thing that makes everybody have to have ash on their face and, you know, raccoon eye makeup and shoulder pelts and, you know, look like you rolled out of bed.

05:11:05.700 That's not our ancestors.

05:11:07.040 You look at the Viking Age and previous, there's intricate attention given to grooming, wearing bright, colorful clothing and things.

05:11:20.720 Dyes were really important.

05:11:25.060 Appearance was important.

05:11:27.060 Sophistication was important.

05:11:28.740 Our ancestors were so very sophisticated to revert that to some ooga-booga animism stuff is insulting.

05:11:43.900 And I think you see that.

05:11:47.260 Certainly our own Germanic ancestors that way, obviously, or maybe less obviously,

05:11:54.900 But a very bright example of that is Rome and Greece.

05:12:01.460 They have developed society, developed religion.

05:12:05.780 They are indisputably hyper-advanced for that time in history.

05:12:13.180 Without Christianity, and they weren't busy doing ooga-booga stuff,

05:12:17.580 They had a sophisticated religion based on upward, celestial, above it, higher divinity, not rooting around in the dirt and worshiping a worm that they saw and that tree that they bumped into.

05:12:38.400 And I think that path is very insulting, and I think it takes you far away from the essence of our faith.

05:12:45.880 What are your thoughts, Juan?

05:12:47.580 I think this is a subject that you and I have talked about at great length. I give my answer in a two-path system. One, I think currently animism in modern day now is, again, part of a reaction.

05:13:08.600 I think there's a rightful critique of modern modernity in general. And so a lot of people have a tendency to react against modernity by attaining a primal and or pretending to attain a primal or whatever scale it might be placed at.

05:13:29.580 um that there is this desire to emulate prime primal intentions as a kind of antithesis against

05:13:40.500 modernity and i understand that completely um what i do think though and again playing on

05:13:47.900 the orchestra analogy that i was running earlier i think animism is to our faith as wood is to the

05:13:55.080 violin. In, in an essence, there are clear connotations when we speak of, of, of, of,

05:14:05.220 of, uh, Gary and Frecky and, uh, or, or, uh, human and immune in an animalistic sense.

05:14:12.680 But what ultimately is becoming is that this primordial, this primal is shaped, is, is dominated

05:14:18.660 by the, the player, the, the one playing the music. So the, the, the gods and their willful

05:14:26.040 transmuting of primordial forces into, uh, an, a part of their, uh, playing, but you can't play

05:14:36.960 the tree. The tree is shaped, but the, but it does come from the tree. It's just that it's not

05:14:43.360 Clearly, it's not a birch tree with strings on it or what have you.

05:14:47.420 It's been shaped.

05:14:48.820 So I often see a lot of these as a complete part of the overall transference of willful divine power over primordial or the utilization of the primordial.

05:15:02.020 Sometimes it does bridge close, like when we talk about Thor in relation to the Jotunot or fighting fire with fire or, you know, primordial strength versus primordial strength.

05:15:16.040 But at the same time, I don't think it's entirely one way.

05:15:20.860 I think that we often see it as like animalistic nature being utilized for its animalistic nature.

05:15:29.460 Instead, what we're seeing is a mastery of it and a focusing of it. And there's clearly, when we talk about the, you know, the, what is it, the wild dog, wolf, clans, tribes, the Kairos of the Odinic cults of the ancient days, that assumption of the animal in order to, again, transform or become more,

05:15:59.460 to be honed or to, again, utilize those things that we see in nature to make us better,

05:16:06.320 make us stronger, to over overcome these things. But staying in the animal does not

05:16:13.040 make us stronger. Some people get caught in it. And I think that the gods do warn us about this

05:16:20.460 quite often is that that animism is primordial. And for us to completely encapsulate ourselves in

05:16:28.920 doesn't allow us to control it, to hone it, and to move forward in understanding that the tree does

05:16:36.720 become the instrument. It is shaped and it is built and it is forged or it is composed. And

05:16:44.480 what that can do, you know, we see it a lot with the talk of the Berserker or the Ulf Hidnar

05:16:52.240 and a lot of that. And I think there's a lot in there, especially in relation to the way

05:16:59.500 Christians kind of viewed their ancestors by the 12th century in relation to a lot of those things.

05:17:05.700 But, you know, like in the story, Rolf Krakis saga with Bjarki, his spirit and the bear is not,

05:17:17.840 the bear is not bjarke it is a component of and he has mastered it completely and so that is i think

05:17:27.560 a part that a lot of people are lost on is that that that sense of of the components of the

05:17:34.380 animalistic nature that's being utilized is being utilized it's being controlled it's being uh let

05:17:42.120 forth. And it was always, you know, kind of warned against that if you let it consume you, it would

05:17:49.400 bring you away from your society, from your, you would slowly drift into the Utgard outside of the

05:17:57.620 Innengard. You know, again, Eil's father, Skalagrim, and his father, you know, Kveldolf,

05:18:06.780 And it continually through their line is often referred to about their, their close, uh, interplay with like primal existence and how it's a dangerous line to stand on.

05:18:22.200 So I think it's the best way I can interplay that is that animism is a concept that we utilize oftentimes in rejection to modernity, but that there are primordial animalistic and primal incentives that we must learn to control and hone and shape and not in fully encapsulate.

05:18:49.100 because it, again, will pull us, I think, in the wrong direction.

05:18:54.300 Okay.

05:18:55.440 What occupational skills does the AFA need most?

05:19:00.220 IT, construction, et cetera. 0.95

05:19:03.380 I imagine it's harder to use a BA in gender studies to further the goal of the AFA 0.92

05:19:08.600 than an electrician's license.

05:19:11.840 So all of that has to do with proximity.

05:19:16.520 if you live near or want to relocate near one of our Hoffs then certainly we need guys in the

05:19:27.120 trades that can help us doing building repairing maintenance development of of sites that's a

05:19:35.260 relatively new thing we always need IT stuff um we need advertising acumen um I'd say we need

05:19:45.680 lawyers um that's always good to have for a variety of reasons as we move forward

05:19:54.240 having having lawyers would be tremendously important as a skill set um

05:20:04.480 yeah and

05:20:07.440 of what i can think of right now those things are tremendously important i would say if i had to

05:20:14.400 pick one um lawyers with different specialties um and and it's kind of that's kind of an abstract

05:20:25.120 answer it's not like we have any great legal battle to fight right now or whatever but

05:20:29.920 it goes with various forms of you know for lack of a better term adulting that's something we

05:20:37.040 lean on alan on a lot of hey alan how do we do this how do we sign up for that how do we incorporate

05:20:43.360 this how do we you know file this kind of tax thing how do we do interacting with um

05:20:52.640 systems like that are things that a lot of us aren't very exposed to or very familiar with

05:20:59.200 having people who are in those systems uh very much so i would say you know if we had people who

05:21:06.160 who are involved in, one of the other things is sometimes when we don't have those people,

05:21:16.020 we don't speak the right terms. Not banking so much, but guys that are involved in securing

05:21:23.180 and getting loans for folks. That's a skill set that we need a lot. Honestly, that's one of the

05:21:31.780 things with the Hofftoller that I want to mention, and we don't talk about it a lot. So the AFA

05:21:36.700 has started heavily encouraging folks, you know, a number of years ago to start getting on the

05:21:44.720 Hofftoller. That's a percentage-based giving to the AFA of a minimum of 1% of a member's income.

05:21:56.880 that scales up and down with that person's success and failures in life so we bear the

05:22:05.560 failures together or we celebrate the success together and it's a very fair and very um

05:22:13.940 it accounts for circumstance so it's really good that way and it's helped us tremendously

05:22:20.280 in our effectiveness. That being said, I mean, investors, day traders, people that can figure

05:22:30.280 out how to make large sums of money, those donations spend across fields and across

05:22:37.960 areas of expertise. So having somebody that knows how to invest well, a stockbroker,

05:22:47.960 a investment or retirement specialist, those kind of things we need a lot. And they would help our

05:22:53.900 members plan for their retirement significantly. That would be a huge help, especially as our people

05:23:00.440 age. So I think those are the kind of skill sets that are probably most important. But here's the

05:23:10.040 thing. We are a holistic faith, and the AFA is building a society of our faith. We're getting

05:23:21.300 people to move to Sigurheim and to the surrounding area there. We always need anything that that

05:23:29.560 entails. Literally, every specialization in a skill set is valuable to us at some point,

05:23:39.240 But what I think is most valuable to us currently, unless you find yourself near a Hoth, is those things you can do from distance, advising on things, investing in things, navigating technology.

05:23:59.240 technology so the afa like that was a huge thing about this stream is getting um lydia to help us

05:24:05.340 because she interacts with technology in a way that uh people like swan and i in our 40s may

05:24:12.420 not have any clue about what's cool with the kids now on streams and other stuff so having that and

05:24:19.700 having that kind of front-end marketing assistance is huge not to mention the tech assistance

05:24:26.280 So that's what I'd say are skill sets that are in the most need.

05:24:36.320 Not trying to bust him out, but I think that our producer might have fallen asleep.

05:24:42.200 So I'm not really sure what to do when we get to the end of our questions.

05:24:47.420 Fortunately for us, we still have quite a bit to go.

05:24:57.160 right now i gotta sort back to where we were all right

05:25:01.400 okay thoughts on venerating gray area gods like scabby or hella for example

05:25:16.920 so i think that by the fact that you acknowledge in the question that they're gray area gods

05:25:24.440 i would say the best option for that is to do that in your private practice at home

05:25:35.320 by yourself or with your family or whatever that case might be perhaps even your kindred

05:25:41.480 um until such time as they may or may not be as they may when they when they stop being gray area

05:25:51.160 then I think that's much more appropriate to approach their veneration in a public sense,

05:25:57.700 you know, at an AFA event, for instance. I know a lot of people are uncomfortable. And the one

05:26:03.740 that comes to mind the most, I don't think anybody is uncomfortable with Skavi, but

05:26:07.540 people are uncomfortable with Hela. I've mentioned this on, I believe, last week's show.

05:26:16.140 i'm really not and i'm not rushing out there to make you know to initiate a cult of hella per se

05:26:26.620 but i don't feel that she is on the side of chaos i don't see any necessary i mean

05:26:37.540 death is a part of an ordered existence

05:26:41.180 her conduct as the mistress of the dead

05:26:51.660 is not spoken of in a malevolent or chaotic or bad way in our lore

05:27:03.300 the time that balder spends in her realm he is treated well and respectfully

05:27:10.800 so i don't have a hard line against making offerings or being making respectful offerings

05:27:21.960 to hella but knowing that other people are not comfortable with that and her not being

05:27:30.360 amongst the icer makes it not really my responsibility to or like an obligation that i

05:27:39.260 must. So, it is very much a gray area, and those are my thoughts on it. I wish I could be more

05:27:50.060 specific on it, but you mentioned two instances, and those are my thoughts on those two.

05:27:57.420 So, and I see in the thing, veneration of Loki and his children brings nothing but bad luck.

05:28:02.780 okay as far as loki goes absolutely as far as fenrir and jormungand go absolutely but we celebrate

05:28:11.580 uh slepner and slept there's clearly not on the bad list so it's one of those things that does

05:28:20.220 make it kind of a gray area but as far as venerating loki and fenrir and jormungandra absolutely we

05:28:29.340 don't want anything to do with that at all in any way so swan what are your thoughts um

05:28:38.380 i have i have a distinct hierarchy of understanding of the of the the gods in relation to the way that

05:28:47.340 i work with them or see them or interact i i see this hierarchy um and

05:28:55.420 And let's, I mean, I guess first would be the overarching idea

05:29:01.080 that there is the AUS, the 12 AUS.

05:29:05.360 There are the 14 AUSsinyr that we utilize the Guilfaginning

05:29:13.140 as a format for.

05:29:14.740 And then outside of that, there is what I would call the AUSsvenir,

05:29:20.000 The ones unified with order, but were not always, or perhaps were cultivated within the order structure.

05:29:34.000 Sif would be a perfect example of the cultivation within, whereas Skadi would be the one that was not, but aligned with.

05:29:42.060 And I think that manifests itself in either the placement of duty through marriage or through childbirth or both.

05:29:56.480 And I think that's how it manifests in the stories.

05:29:58.600 So looking at those relationships and what they mean within the gods, what is the unification of marriage in a divine sense of powers unifying with them is a sense of alignment, a coming into.

05:30:14.580 I don't see, I think it's a universal concept to see the Jotun's as a completely different race, per se, as we, you know, we have often talked about that.

05:30:25.600 Um, uh, so when we talk about the Oostvenir, they're the ones clearly now in alignment with,

05:30:33.780 and I often use, um, I think that Snorri used the word Jotun liberally a lot with, um, especially

05:30:43.960 with elder, elder forces and, uh, was kind of, again, when he was tackling the divine forces and

05:30:50.860 trying to encapsulate a more uh greco-roman-esque classical sense in the stories anything that fell

05:31:01.540 outside of those parameters was kind of labeled a joten um and then clearly sometimes those

05:31:08.220 normal cultures are very very concise um but i i have always hierarchied the the the gods as

05:31:18.020 The Aus, the Ausinir, the Ausstvinir, and then the heavenly wardens that are involved with Dellinger's Hall and the dawning of the light, Ostura, Nott, and Dei, and their functions within all of the rotational powers.

05:31:36.900 um but when it comes to like hella and specifics there's one thing that in in that

05:31:45.060 i like to bring up sometimes is we see in the place away from time hella is given a stasis

05:31:52.980 throne there outside of time she is uh kind of a dominion over those that inevitably fall

05:32:03.300 to that transformational place and then can thus return from but you look at jormungandr

05:32:12.740 jormungandr is a is catalystic he's he is wide and on the edges he's a barrier a barrier to be

05:32:20.180 broken so again catalyst versus catalyst thor versus jormungandr and then you see the dynamic

05:32:27.140 threat, the most viable and virulent threat, enters into the higher abode. So you have almost

05:32:37.000 a classification of immediacy of threat. And as Al-Syri Gaudi brought up about Slepnir and things

05:32:46.940 of that nature, you can see these placements being had. The alignment between the gods and

05:32:51.640 jotens and the the point of the primordial ocean the depths of the very uh

05:33:02.680 creation before the gods equalized everything and brought things to order is a connection to that

05:33:10.520 the cauldron the the primordial again it kind of plays out in the idea that um even in the ocean

05:33:16.280 And there are life forms that are older and have not moved from those primordial states.

05:33:24.480 So I see that this alignment to Ayur and Iran, even though very touchy, is a connecting point to the ancient primordial source of much within the middle world, specifically with Earth.

05:33:40.440 the connection to the blood of Ymir for the purpose with intention of creating

05:33:50.340 an anchor point in the material through that stage, if you will.

05:33:59.080 When we talk about Skadi, I've always associated Skadi with the mountains and the glaciers.

05:34:06.260 I believe very much so that the story of Njordr and Skadi is a time in our observing of the ordering of the world, that the cutting of the river by the glacier to the ocean has significance there.

05:34:28.140 much like how a lot of people associate the felling of wheat or the burning of the orchard

05:34:35.740 or the grain or what have you in relation to kind of the story of Thora and Sif and the losing of

05:34:41.440 her hair. I think that there are deep cultural and intrinsic meanings to a lot of that.

05:34:48.360 So in that sense, like, I don't think that the Ausfnir are always desiring of being honored

05:34:56.000 by the folk but perhaps are more intrinsically built into helping the gods maintain order

05:35:03.840 and that honoring them can be again like i was here ago they said a personal choice of these

05:35:09.360 things but honor like again with the australian they're they're they're doing their job they're

05:35:15.520 doing their orchestrated part their willful dominion without really an interaction with

05:35:23.360 the folk uh especially like in relation to um death um but death clearly serves that function

05:35:31.760 um the the encapsulation of the soul might of the folk soul the encapsulation of balder and nana

05:35:40.400 and they're you know a place away from time a place away from cataclysm and dynamicism that

05:35:47.760 stasis place um honoring them is again a personal flavor and i i go the east said it best you know

05:35:59.760 we don't invite death into the hall it's not that we uh it's taboo in in to honor or understand or

05:36:10.000 respect the nature of that cycle within natural law which is death uh but that it has no place

05:36:16.800 in the festivity or in in the inner guard it is just the job that is being done despite whether

05:36:24.240 we honor it or not and the the divine the power behind that is well and will continue to do those

05:36:33.600 things as they were instructed to do by the gods by odin and all of the gods in creating the order

05:36:41.680 have set these things up with very little consideration as to exactly our interplay

05:36:48.480 with them. So it's up to the individual in a lot of ways. I don't think that you'll find a ton of

05:36:55.680 open cult practice. As Al-Shergoli said, that's a great term for it. But there is mention or

05:37:03.420 understanding and connectivity and kind of an acknowledgement of these forces

05:37:09.660 doing their dominion in the whole scheme, because that's how the gods set it up. So

05:37:16.860 acknowledging that you're acknowledging the order that has been set up by the gods.

05:37:23.020 And so to add on to that, because I know this causes some consternation of folks,

05:37:28.500 I'm not necessarily saying like, that should be your patroness. But the times that I've heard

05:37:36.980 people outside of people who are struggling with okay i don't mean to be insulting who

05:37:44.980 are struggling with mental illness same people that i've heard of have had near-death experiences

05:37:53.780 and wanted to make an offering of appreciation um or people who've had loved ones that have passed

05:38:03.700 you know and like a hey take care of so-and-so and make an offering and i think that's a nice

05:38:09.860 gesture just like interacting with anything else i what i think people need to keep in mind is

05:38:18.180 intention and how important that is we have a lot of people in western magical tradition

05:38:26.260 and wicca and other things that have this huge fear of spiritual entities

05:38:37.380 and i again i try to approach bad things in a similar starting point as i try to approach good

05:38:45.460 things in my current existence if i want to treat some person respectfully what would i do well

05:38:55.300 Well, that's the base of how I learn to approach my gods.

05:38:59.760 Well, if there's someone who is, you know, my enemy or on the other team or whatever,

05:39:06.180 or might be, might mean me harm, how do I approach them?

05:39:11.560 I don't run and hide from them.

05:39:14.000 I'm not scared of them.

05:39:16.640 I can hold my own.

05:39:18.020 I also don't egg them on and look for a problem.

05:39:20.800 I don't invite things callously and I don't step into things without thinking about.

05:39:27.540 But I'm also not constantly scared that if I don't throw salt over my shoulder, evil spirits are going to come after me.

05:39:35.820 At some point, that's not how you would behave in your mundane existence.

05:39:44.080 You should apply.

05:39:46.060 And it's not the same.

05:39:47.460 when you there's different rules interacting with entities on different levels but you've

05:39:54.020 got to at least start from that point if you ideologically find it inappropriate to make an

05:40:01.060 offering to hella then that's fine but you shouldn't just out of fear you should do

05:40:07.060 whatever you're doing out of a clear intention of what the purpose is and make that known

05:40:12.660 um and so that's that's a little bit more context on that i'm gonna i apologize to people with

05:40:22.380 questions in line i'm gonna let people skip the line just because like i said i believe that nick

05:40:27.380 i hope that nick has fallen asleep um that's that's that's the scenario that i think happened

05:40:35.760 so we may just have a rough like boom matt hits the power button and closes the stream

05:40:41.500 tonight. Hopefully that doesn't mess anything up when that's game time.

05:40:46.760 That said, I'm going to ask, I'm going to, when I see a question in the chat,

05:40:50.520 I'm just going to go hit it because if not,

05:40:52.080 I'll forget the question and we don't have our system down because,

05:40:55.700 because he's not able to monitor it right now. So the question is a question.

05:41:00.600 Is it possible that Fenris was originally an Ulf Hednar warrior,

05:41:04.560 The symbol of youth who was supposed to learn how to restrain his battle rage.

05:41:12.760 He's got similarities with Coquellan, a hero.

05:41:18.520 Fenris might have been demonized when the sovereign powers, symbolized by Tyr, outlawed the wolf cult warriors when Christianity came in.

05:41:29.880 No.

05:41:33.800 No, I appreciate, I get if you're trying hard to find connectivity, you can find those things, but no, I don't think it's about that at all, and I think that's, I think that's way overreach.

05:41:52.140 And I think that's treating our gods as symbols and not as gods.

05:42:01.200 And that's not something we're interested in doing.

05:42:07.980 Our next question in the list, let me go back and find that.

05:42:14.340 I've heard of that connection

05:42:22.240 To Kukulain

05:42:23.340 And the wolf

05:42:25.620 But there's

05:42:27.100 And this is the thing

05:42:28.900 When we simplify it

05:42:32.640 And wolf equals bad

05:42:35.320 That way oversimplifies stuff

05:42:39.320 Odin has two wolves

05:42:41.480 Those wolves are just fine

05:42:42.820 But Fenrir, particularly, is the personification of ravenous destruction, of chaos-devouring order.

05:42:58.360 Every iteration of a wolf in our lore isn't bad.

05:43:02.440 In our ancestors' time, there's animals that surround them all the time.

05:43:06.060 because there's, you know, again, I think that's trying to put things in a box as if we are

05:43:14.580 studying the history of folklore. No, we're practicing religion. And it's very different

05:43:21.580 when you approach it from that angle. And it's no disrespect to the person asking the question

05:43:27.740 at all. Please don't take it that way. But everything is not a symbol. Some things are

05:43:33.320 entities that exist and that's the place we should start from some things are symbols don't get me

05:43:40.540 wrong um wolf throne suggests that nick died i hope he did not i hope he did not i hope that's

05:43:52.260 well no i can't okay so this thought has occurred to me and i'm a little bit concerned i hope he's

05:43:59.420 all right but i think he probably just fell asleep because it's late he's tired he's been

05:44:03.540 he's been literally working on the back end of making sure this stream works good

05:44:08.820 for like 24 hours he he and lydia both have really really done triple overtime on this

05:44:18.900 run themselves ragged trying to help with stuff on on moving over to a different stream setup

05:44:25.860 and so they're probably both very exhausted okay so after giving offering on your home altar how

05:44:38.700 long should you wait before pouring slash throwing it out and what is the most respectful way of

05:44:44.580 disposing of it context is everything depends what it is what environment you live in

05:44:55.000 If you got dogs and cats and other animals, you know, where you have it versus where they are.

05:45:06.160 If you don't have, I think it's kind of a nice rule of thumb.

05:45:12.920 If you don't have children, they're going to wander up and, you know, eat it or animals like dogs and cats that are going to mess with it.

05:45:24.000 I'd say overnight.

05:45:28.640 What I think is always kind of a good option and a best option if you have the availability is, you know, when you're done, take it outside to a special tree or if you have a horg set up and leave it out there.

05:45:46.280 and nature takes care of that, I think, in a spiritual way, because we're not animus,

05:45:54.260 but our gods work through natural forces often. You know, the various scavengers that come and

05:46:01.940 take it, that's part of giving it to the gods, is that process occurring and it disappearing

05:46:09.540 through that process that's my thoughts but you know any situation like I said I felt I felt bad

05:46:16.680 I didn't want to at the the prison um situation I was out on Monday I didn't want to pour it down

05:46:22.880 the sink but the options available were in the trash can in the sink in the toilet the sink was

05:46:31.100 my best option you do what you can do if you have a place like again for a home ritual I think the

05:46:39.040 best thing is to find a tree in your yard that's special, that's sacred. You know, it's kind of

05:46:43.940 like your ornament tree or your special tree and give your offerings that way. I think that's what

05:46:49.840 most people probably do. Some people may have a special horg or a special place just built for

05:46:58.040 that. And that's also, you know, a really good option. But whatever you do, the intention is

05:47:05.460 the biggest thing swan do you have kind of a rule of thumb you go by on that yeah i i do it

05:47:11.200 immediately but i i have a friend who he he does like he will he only works predominantly with

05:47:18.980 libational fluids so it's not a lot with like food or fruit or uh things like that so generally

05:47:25.960 he will leave it overnight and he also has a wall mounted harrow so it's not on uh accessible from

05:47:32.280 you know little children though he doesn't have kids anymore he's all grown um but it became part

05:47:40.760 of his practice he would leave it overnight so he would bloat at night and then lay to rest in the

05:47:48.540 morning and it was kind of like a thing in his mind about the idea of internal view and interacting

05:47:56.060 with the with the barrier of himself being broken in the in the dark and then coming back to

05:48:03.420 and manifesting into reality in the light with new spiritual growth and then just laying it down

05:48:11.240 i usually do it right away mainly because i don't want um anything to you know be attracted by it

05:48:20.440 whether, especially with like mead, you could have like ants and things like that. So, but it's,

05:48:27.000 it does bring up a great point. I saw some of, when we were talking about those altar talks and

05:48:31.880 kind of stuff floating around, people talking about certain things. One, it was made, oh,

05:48:38.200 if you, if you honor the gods of cosmic order, you should then place your offering on top of a hill

05:48:44.160 or in a fire and if you honor the gods of uh natural law and the chthonic and the or of the

05:48:52.260 earth and the water then you should bury a hole and place it in there and then and then cover it

05:48:57.840 and i thought man that's that's great if you have that capability but not everybody does and so

05:49:05.840 again considering what you give in relation to where you live and what is available for you to do

05:49:12.820 is a huge part of that. We have members who live, they're homesteaders, and they live out

05:49:18.280 on huge tracts of land of their own, and they have animals and things like that. There's a lot

05:49:24.540 of stuff going on there. Other people are living in an apartment or they're in the military.

05:49:29.540 That was me for many, many years. And you have to make do with what you have. But again,

05:49:34.640 I'm not going to not give gift. So I would say take all those into consideration.

05:49:42.820 I think it's culturally poignant to give by fire

05:49:47.060 or give by earth in certain cases.

05:49:50.240 And I think that adds a whole component to the entirety

05:49:54.060 of bringing to an end the entirety of the gift cycle,

05:49:58.160 which has beauty and poeticism to it.

05:50:02.200 But sometimes you can't do that.

05:50:03.800 And so one thing I would say is again,

05:50:06.720 no matter what, you're not just chucking,

05:50:09.300 the end of the cycle is just as important as the beginning.

05:50:12.500 So one thing that I have always kind of taught as a basic to give people who are new to this and might not know what to do, take your gift, go to a special place outside, a tree, a stone, whatever it may be.

05:50:30.080 And once this cycle is completed, a simple prayer of from the earth to our hands, to the gods, from the gods, or you could say ancestors, from the gods to our hands, to the earth.

05:50:45.440 And what this does is this is an implication of the three levels.

05:50:48.860 The idea of the upper is what we strive for.

05:50:53.180 It's the divine.

05:50:54.020 It's the opening.

05:50:55.200 even if you're talking to your ancestors, the idea is like, again, you're elevating through

05:50:59.720 the gift cycle, a process outside of yourself. So it is above you and it is an attempt to move

05:51:05.740 forward and upward, but ultimately it must come back down and be placed back into the whole cycle

05:51:12.080 of it all. So I found that that's one of the easiest ways. If you're looking for some like

05:51:16.200 basic points, bullet points, I would say that's one of the best things to do.

05:51:22.180 So one of those key things of having on your altar is what we would call a hlautbole or a hlautbole.

05:51:28.860 It is the might.

05:51:30.600 It's the gifting bowl.

05:51:32.580 And transferring your gift into that bowl and then taking that bowl somewhere to reverently place it out.

05:51:40.960 And then, you know, clean your bowl out and put everything away and douse your fire so there's no fire hazards overnight.

05:51:47.760 You know, because you have to consider these things.

05:51:50.260 and making sure that everything's clean and tidy

05:51:53.300 and that your hands, you know,

05:51:54.880 you wash yourself before you start

05:51:56.760 and afterwards, you know, you wash your hands,

05:51:59.860 wash the area and go reverently into your life again.

05:52:09.140 All right.

05:52:12.400 Have either of you heard of the band Falkenbach?

05:52:16.280 A bit old and obscure, I think,

05:52:18.320 but the lead singer lived in iceland i believe i have never heard of that band what about you swan

05:52:24.800 yes i have um i think there's still some stuff floating around on youtube with them um

05:52:36.000 yeah i can't i mean i i have vague memories of some of their songs but i have heard of them um

05:52:42.960 but i can't like rattle off the title of a song um but i also uh get them confused sometimes i'll

05:52:51.920 or i'll find them when i'm looking for another musician who's i i don't know where he is gone

05:52:59.680 um uh he's saying a song called hammer of bronze and his last name was um i think it's falconstein

05:53:07.280 or that's what he went on youtube was uh i think it was like bob falconstein or falcon stars

05:53:14.080 that's why it sounded so familiar to me yeah i get them confused sometimes i don't know

05:53:19.440 i've met that guy and he gave me one of his albums that guy was pretty cool i only met him one time

05:53:24.480 but i'm unaware of the the german band yeah the uh the um his song hammer of bronze and um

05:53:33.120 uh my ancestors are in these hills uh talking about their blood and their soil and then

05:53:40.160 beautiful music really really interesting stuff don't know what happened to him um

05:53:49.120 but i sometimes will find one when i'm looking for the other and that's kind of how i know

05:53:54.160 about them i think he did a song uh about utasita yeah utasita hammer of bronze and my ancestor or

05:54:03.440 my and my kin are in the hills or my ancestors are in the hills um i don't even know if those are

05:54:09.920 still on so not at all what the what the questioner asked but that's where we went because that's the

05:54:16.160 only point of connection we've got there so yeah because they're so similar and i would write in

05:54:21.600 his name or and then i'd find their songs and listen to that so no absolutely and shoot when

05:54:27.200 i met him was probably i 13 years uh 10 years 11 or 12 years ago um

05:54:45.120 the next question thoughts on jason cone his books and his youtube channel no white guilt

05:54:51.600 I have never met

05:54:57.240 or interacted with

05:54:59.060 him personally outside of

05:55:01.100 I did one episode of his show

05:55:03.200 one time and he treated me

05:55:05.060 very well on that episode

05:55:06.360 we had a misunderstanding

05:55:09.100 over his

05:55:11.000 characterization of Alistair true one time

05:55:13.140 and there was a little bit of grumpiness

05:55:14.620 but we got on the other side of

05:55:17.100 that and he

05:55:19.020 he was the guy that when we were looking for a

05:55:26.280 someone to

05:55:29.460 someone to loan us money from York's off he was the one that was able to produce the

05:55:38.480 connection of the guy that ended up loaning us the majority of that money actually so his help

05:55:45.360 on that was very very helpful and much appreciated and it's one of the reasons we were able to uh

05:55:52.000 follow through making your soft happen so that was really cool um

05:55:58.800 some of his ideas really good i think that the basic concept of being cautious with our words

05:56:06.560 and not falling into

05:56:09.040 ideologically accepting certain premises by the choice of words that we use is probably very smart

05:56:20.320 by being selective in our word choice kind of rearranging the battlefield of thoughts

05:56:27.680 on ideas i think is is a smart thing to do i think you know many of his very devoted

05:56:36.640 very devoted followers take that to an obnoxious extreme that's very off-putting but i don't think

05:56:45.980 that's on him i think that tends to happen a lot with people's um you know very passionate fan

05:56:55.720 groups so i think that's part of that that's probably most i got to add on that it's fun

05:57:01.400 Do you have any thoughts on Jason Cohn or No White Guilt?

05:57:07.460 Again, I lurk a lot, and I like to see what people are saying

05:57:12.400 and kind of listen in, and I don't really comment all the time,

05:57:16.840 but I do – I'm aware, and I follow his posts on social media.

05:57:22.740 I think positivity is a phenomenal perspective to really rally around as the idea is not falling into negative thought patterns, not falling into negative tropes that people want us to be into, which I think is brilliant.

05:57:45.160 uh yeah outside of that as far as um perhaps membership or specific uh people i don't really

05:57:53.060 have a i know that there are some folks who talk about some of the ideas and we've even talked

05:57:58.220 about them a little bit at thorshoff um but again at what point i think it fills a strange gap

05:58:05.940 between religious and spiritual community and politics because i he references a lot about how

05:58:13.360 politics is like a you know they those tropes that they try to put us into are like politically

05:58:19.420 driven and I think that's wise um but you know specifically to say I I'm interacting with him

05:58:28.900 at all I that's not true and um with any of of of the people but I will certainly sit and listen

05:58:38.260 and kind of contemplate and think about it.

05:58:40.880 But again, if it's the gray zone

05:58:43.180 between like political wellness,

05:58:46.300 there's like personal and societal wellness

05:58:49.020 and then there's spiritual wellness,

05:58:50.460 I'm clearly in the spiritual wellness camp.

05:58:53.040 And I find that my necessity to reach outside of that,

05:58:57.920 again, compartmentalizing, very, very strict.

05:59:02.240 I have lots of very, very strict borderings on things.

05:59:06.740 I like to own the box I'm in, if you will. I, you know, I don't see anything wrong with what

05:59:16.320 he says, unless he's said something that I haven't seen or noticed. So I'm not saying

05:59:23.880 everything he says I 100% agree with. But a lot of the concepts that I have heard are very

05:59:29.540 interesting, very intelligent, and worth noting, I think, for anybody really, to get your

05:59:36.180 your head out of um i think a lot of people have victim complex i think a lot of people have

05:59:41.340 adversarial complex and reactionary complexes and a lot of what he talks about is is a reclamation

05:59:49.380 towards again kind of what founder mcnellen says is we have a right to exist we have a right

05:59:56.000 our our existence is non-negotiable and so once you state that what do you do

06:00:02.260 and the the answer to that question is i believe is to get right spiritually and to you know teach

06:00:09.500 your children and interact with your people and even if you do interact with people outside of

06:00:15.000 your people your interactions should be based off of a call to logic a call to reason a call to

06:00:22.440 um you know an understanding that there is a unilateral uh desire any person any people would

06:00:31.000 want their the welfare of their people to be a priority um and that having you know there's

06:00:36.760 people out there that don't want white people to be you know racially conscious in any way shape or

06:00:41.240 form but absolutely okay with it with everyone else um and you know being able to engage in

06:00:47.320 those conversations from a point of positivity is i think uh very valuable so guys i got great news

06:00:56.520 nick is alive i was gonna say alive and well i don't know about the well part but he lives he

06:01:02.440 did in fact fall asleep but he is he has risen um we had a way back before nick uh took a siesta

06:01:11.160 there we had somebody with uh with a monetized thing and i saw the little sword clang but i

06:01:16.280 could never get an answer on what the what the the back end on that was nick posted it up was for one

06:01:21.960 dollar from anon anon i don't know if you're still here or not i hope that you are if not

06:01:27.240 apologize um he says you have four beautiful hoffs now dedicated to different gods but do

06:01:33.240 you have any hoffs planned dedicated to goddesses freya's hoff friggs hoff um yes that is hoff 14

06:01:42.200 and 13 respectively yes we absolutely do have planned that and who's who's to say after that

06:01:49.720 we've got them planned out to hoff number 14 so there you have that sorry i'm communicating

06:02:09.240 with nick on on some stuff um cool so i'm glad i thought i was gonna have to just like

06:02:16.760 press stop and have a hard end on this instead of our outro music and everything so that's cool um

06:02:25.160 what do you think of youtuber norse magic and beliefs i have absolutely zero familiarity with

06:02:31.880 that i can't say i've ever heard of it before swan do you have thoughts uh i might know him by sight

06:02:40.520 but i don't recall my name um there's quite a few people that i i also

06:02:46.920 kind of peek in on on youtube to to look around um and watch their videos um

06:02:55.640 i is is that my question would be i think is this a is he nordic you see from scandinavia um

06:03:04.920 Um, because I, I have a vague correlation to the name, to a, uh, a guy that's living,

06:03:13.040 I think he's kind of living out in the country and doing his own thing.

06:03:16.360 And he has obviously, I think some, some globalist sensibilities, uh, but that might

06:03:23.380 not be the same guy that I'm, I'm thinking of.

06:03:25.280 So I don't want to say that that's the same guy and be completely.

06:03:28.880 Yeah.

06:03:29.120 Chat says dude's Norwegian.

06:03:31.640 Ah, yeah.

06:03:32.760 so there's like two scandinavian guys that i've i've looked into one of them is um he was he's

06:03:39.240 very active on x and he's uh uh his name is bjorn i don't know the rest there's some more to it uh

06:03:47.020 he seems pretty he's always usually near a fire and he's uh seems to be very kind of aligned with

06:03:53.880 the idea of tribalist folkish ideas and he's not kind of a no-nonsense guy and then there's another

06:04:00.680 guy who's usually indoors when he's talking and i think he does have some kind of uh nordic

06:04:08.600 global uh sometimes i think that scandinavians especially in relation to politics they get a

06:04:15.000 little uh hoity-toity and uh they're kind of um like these bubble globalists where you know uh

06:04:23.720 they just kind of like oh it's you know if you think a certain way you're you you know you're

06:04:29.080 usurping our our faith and you know nothing about it and you are just the silly person who doesn't

06:04:34.600 know what he's talking about and and the truth is is that everyone can do this and you know they

06:04:40.120 just kind of go on these tirades and i'm like oh it's so tiresome but every once in a while they

06:04:45.000 do they do knock in some good stuff it's funny you talk like that all the time

06:04:50.600 terrible swedish uh lil if you yeah i'm not good at it no stop seriously from now on i only want

06:05:04.840 you to talk in that you want me to talk like varg vakurnis every single time yes

06:05:13.960 how are the vonir truly part of the uterus okay so if you guys put together a collection right

06:05:20.440 now if you pay off in your top in one lump sum we will require spawn to speak in that

06:05:27.560 in that accent on every episode of vns he is ever on

06:05:35.240 just put it out there um

06:05:39.320 svan have you heard of elf dalian a northern germanic language dialect spoken in sweden

06:05:47.480 it supposedly was quite isolated and so stayed closer to Old Norse than other languages.

06:05:56.460 No, I'm not familiar with it. No, not at all. And I'm kind of a, I like languages. I love

06:06:06.840 looking into them. It doesn't ring a bell at all. I mean, it kind of reminds me of the same

06:06:14.440 idea about Stavr and the, I forgot the one particular guy that was from Norway saying

06:06:20.780 that his family practiced this martial arts of runic ways and that it was, that was kind

06:06:29.620 of his plea to authenticity in ancient sense. But I am not, I'm not heard of it. I would

06:06:36.120 look it up right now, but I'm dependent right now because of our setup, my phone and the

06:06:42.320 ability to see, um, the chat and things like that is entirely dependent on the phone being

06:06:49.160 locked. So no, I'm not familiar. Actually, I'm going to, can you say that again?

06:06:59.240 All right. So I can butch it. Yes. So yes. So sorry, my thing's glitching up a little bit.

06:07:08.300 All right. Elf, D-A-L-I-A-N. All one word.

06:07:18.680 And it's E-L or A-L?

06:07:22.580 A-L. I mean, E-L, okay. E-L-F, Elf. D-A-L-I-A-N.

06:07:32.880 Elf Dalian.

06:07:33.920 no i'm not familiar with that at all i'm i'm i remember i you know learning about pockets like

06:07:42.140 there were places in the crimea where people were still speaking like a proto form of of uh

06:07:48.140 guttanish or gothic uh up until like the 17th century um for further context the uh one who

06:07:56.260 asked a question. Folking Shieldwall says it's only spoken by like 3,000 people in a remote area

06:08:05.400 in Sweden. So there you have it. Rabbit hole. You can go down this rabbit hole too. And I'm

06:08:15.320 curious if you've heard of these guys. Next question. Question. Have either of you heard

06:08:20.680 of the denali institute and their nine-year program thoughts um yes but i have not heard

06:08:28.920 about it in a long time and i forget there was like one person i talked to really early on

06:08:36.520 that was aware of it and if i remember right

06:08:43.080 yeah if i remember right it's run yeah it's run out of

06:08:52.500 yeah okay so i'm looking at the website right now just to make sure and i remember this guy

06:08:59.640 i've never met him or interacted with him in any way i think i once met a guy that said he had gone

06:09:07.240 through the guys one of his programs but if i'm right he was teaching out of like eagle river

06:09:18.260 alaska it could have been palmer wasilla but somewhere in that area and you know i i had run

06:09:24.960 into it online when i lived up there and it was a just kind of an interesting thing um

06:09:31.560 question on the side, Denali's in Alaska, right? Yes, it is. It's the Alaska native

06:09:39.920 word for Mount McKinley. But yeah, it was, it was up there and it was kind of,

06:09:49.760 you know, this reclusive institute and he had these courses, but I'd never heard of anybody

06:09:54.640 who'd actually taken it except for i think this one uh one gentleman that lived down in kenai

06:10:01.760 soldatna area but i can't be positive svan have you ever heard of this guy's uh denali institute

06:10:09.840 no no i have not um i find it interesting but at the same time kind of uh i don't know the

06:10:18.640 the remoteness of it the you know like for 75 become a a vitki or oh yeah did you look it up

06:10:26.560 then i'm looking on his website and his website's recent it's you know copyright denali denali

06:10:32.640 institute and northern traditions 2023 so it's still uh something that's in operation um

06:10:41.200 yeah other than i have known that that existed for a really long time since i was kind of first

06:10:45.920 getting involved in things but i don't know anything more than kind of what i just said

06:10:53.440 yeah i i see that there are these courses are uh not quick they're not fast by any means and

06:11:00.320 these packages that he's speaking of i just i don't i don't know i the uh i guess the commercial

06:11:08.960 sense of it. But again, being in Alaska, kind of super separated from things. And

06:11:14.080 to be honest, I don't know anything about it. I haven't looked it up the first time I looked into

06:11:21.560 it. Most of these things are probably some kook that doesn't know anything and it's ridiculous,

06:11:27.160 but you always hope that there's some reclusive mystic that lives in a cave that's got this,

06:11:34.120 you know super special wisdom that the rest of us and it i say that i hope that too that would

06:11:40.640 be awesome um i think i always hold out hope for those kind of things so i really don't know

06:11:46.020 anything about it and i certainly can't talk poorly about it so i i've got nothing i think

06:11:52.680 it's impressive that these are like long and in-depth courses that's kind of cool

06:11:57.060 but yeah if you guys know more about it please tell us what you know in the chat because i really

06:12:04.440 am kind of fascinated about it i haven't thought about that in a very very long time yeah bjorn

06:12:11.100 the bull or bull hansen that's that's the guy i was talking about that's by the fire

06:12:15.440 it's kind of a survivalist naturist but also very very uh you know aware i think of global issues

06:12:24.200 that are causing issues in places that are not global all right um if tear is the center star

06:12:37.240 the sky revolves around and the great bear is part of that could tear be connected to the swastika

06:12:45.960 um so the north star isn't it technically part of ursa minor or am i am i wrong yeah

06:12:57.000 yes it is a part of ursa minor um okay and ursa major

06:13:02.680 you can correlate it but not in the ursa major sense yeah you follow it off of off of the tail

06:13:09.320 right and it points the the front of the the the front of the spoon if you will front edge

06:13:14.920 yeah you follow that place your thumb upon it it'll point you right at it there you go so

06:13:23.400 is that being said do you find because we've all seen that graphic of the swastika of like

06:13:29.720 the swastika that's made from the big dipper or from the little different rather

06:13:33.960 at the four different seasons um do you think that's just cool or do you think there's something

06:13:43.240 to that uh well i i would i mean ursa ursa major uh all constellational stuff uh it seems to be

06:13:54.200 that our ancestors had a kind of a different format of constellations but they seem to exist

06:13:59.960 I mean, we have, you know, Thiazzi's eyes, Arendelle's toe, Frigga's distaff.

06:14:08.160 There's lots of mentions of constellational things, but they didn't survive.

06:14:13.400 And so I don't know about any, like, say, correlation between, say, Ursa Major or the bear, or even if our ancestors, you know, viewed that as the bear.

06:14:23.860 um uh i i do have a kind of i don't know i think that pattern and seeing that pattern

06:14:33.860 could be established very easily especially from people who are so closely related to sea travel

06:14:39.700 and i'm talking even migration period europeans traveling through the black sea through the

06:14:44.400 aegean sea through the mediterranean around england and up through into the nordic lands

06:14:48.560 had to have seen that kind of sense um however connection wise to

06:14:56.420 the i i don't know i the son and rod or the i mean the only thing i i know based on lore is that

06:15:06.300 the son and rod was oftentimes referred to as the hammer of thor um so that's one like linguistic

06:15:14.220 and lore-based uh connection that i have i've never really seen however me personally i've

06:15:21.480 always placed the son and rod again in correlation to the divine and their dominion as a symbol of

06:15:28.980 their dominion over all of the primordial um elements and and pieces that are utilized and

06:15:37.200 manifest um i i take that that symbol to be a divine symbol of of willful dominion in the

06:15:47.220 material um but as in correlation directly to to tear i've never seen it um some people have

06:15:54.880 you know there's scants when it comes to um the ermine soul and the north star because the

06:16:00.820 Ermensal has also been, you know, kind of leveled towards Saxonaut amongst the Saxons or Ermensal, of course, immediately it's Odin.

06:16:12.020 It's like right into there. And I'm not saying that it isn't because we don't know.

06:16:16.520 but uh at the same time i have kind of always seen its shape as being the the the pillar that

06:16:24.600 holds up the sky being the the separator between the material and the upper realm um and i've

06:16:32.680 always found that that to be more of a materialistic and formulative thing as opposed to

06:16:39.080 in the heavenly realm um but no i don't not to my knowledge that they're that correlation i hadn't

06:16:46.200 really seen that diagram until i guess within the last like eight years and uh i think it's really

06:16:52.600 cool and i'm almost positive there's just no way that our ancestors could not have seen that

06:16:58.280 because they were so correlated to the stars but it wasn't written down i'm not saying that it doesn't

06:17:04.840 have potency now it's hard to say and it's one of the things and i mentioned this when we first

06:17:11.400 started our deal on the runes one of the important things about the runes is it shapes the lens

06:17:17.720 in which you view things from and you your mind makes runic connections when they're not necessarily

06:17:24.440 intended by things but because you are now seeing the world through the lens of the runes and i

06:17:30.280 think that we've internalized some of these sigils and so we see them when they pop up

06:17:36.920 and we apply meaning to them that our ancestors didn't that's not invalid or bad it just

06:17:47.160 isn't necessarily our ancestors experience it doesn't make anything wrong with it

06:17:51.400 by by all means i think it's really cool and very very interesting um

06:17:58.600 the next question is or the next and final question is

06:18:02.680 you mentioned gods could share the thunder weapon so it's possible yeah it's fun do you recall when

06:18:12.900 you might have mentioned that and what your where you were going with that that was at 10 30 my time

06:18:19.420 yeah when i was talking about the tripartites amongst the aryan branches um one of the things

06:18:25.520 i had found during a lot of that study was that the etruscans called the the the whole of their

06:18:33.440 gods the they called them the esir e-s-i-r is i think what it was uh translated into modern english

06:18:42.240 and um but they i think they believed in a in a total of nine and they all could throw lightning

06:18:51.280 lightning for them was seen as an

06:18:54.920 implemental tool of all the divine

06:18:57.040 and that uh the the way that they

06:19:01.260 viewed us interacting with divinity is

06:19:03.520 that that um lightning was not seen as

06:19:07.580 a protective force it was seen as an

06:19:11.140 implemental force and it could be good

06:19:13.020 or bad it could you know you did

06:19:15.800 something wrong you get struck by

06:19:17.220 lightning it's terrible you die and and

06:19:19.420 that was one of the gods of their I you know essence is uh striking you down um the uh the

06:19:29.200 usage of lightning that was one the reason why I was looking into that was because the Etruscans

06:19:33.220 and their usage of lightning in relation to the Greeks um and the difference between the scepter

06:19:40.100 of Zeus and the lightning bolt of Zeus and whether or not the lightning bolt was an a drift over from

06:19:46.920 the Phoenicians and their god Baal had a lightning bolt. And so the idea of the scepter versus the

06:19:54.740 lightning bolt, and in essence, I couldn't find any real differentiation other than people had

06:20:00.180 speculated. But again, the tripartite of the Greeks and the Etruscans and looking at the

06:20:10.060 the singular bolt versus the, the Biden of Hades and the helmet that obscures his eyes.

06:20:17.220 And, uh, of course the trident of, uh, Poseidon and how they kind of numbered their tripartite

06:20:24.240 thrones, um, being Greek and in all that math. No, um, I would have done crayons. No, um, they,

06:20:32.980 they uh kind of did a different mode from the etruscans and whether or not the etruscans were

06:20:42.420 uh proto-indo-europeans that whole thing that was a big uh look into that because we don't

06:20:48.340 have a ton of information but we have more on them than we do about the gauls um they're still

06:20:54.440 kind of piecing together uh teratatus and tyrannis and essus and uh the dynamic

06:21:02.480 catalystic and stasis of the of that tripartite not having much on it so um they're the only

06:21:10.660 branch i have ever seen speak of lightning as being an implement of the gods

06:21:17.260 in in total that it wasn't just relegated specifically to a

06:21:25.100 striker if you will for lack of or for just ease of the conversation

06:21:32.380 okay so one more question popped up and

06:21:36.340 all right question is thoughts on donald trump it's outside the scope of what we usually talk

06:21:44.800 about and it's whatever i to answer that question we could spend another two hours and i'm tired

06:21:52.080 i don't want to go to sleep so i'm not going to do that um real quickly things that i think are good

06:21:59.240 um first politician on a national stage like that that i thought was

06:22:06.120 telling me honest things and not telling me pre-scripted you know from the the the overlords

06:22:15.280 of the politicians what you have to say that's really encouraging the straightforwardness uh

06:22:21.700 I always really liked my favorite president my lifetime certainly um obviously he's been

06:22:30.540 extremely unfairly treated by lots of people whether you're a fan or you're not the standard

06:22:35.260 What has been shown very, very clearly is that the standard he is being treated by is radically different than anyone on the left and how they've been treated in anything approaching a closely similar scenario.

06:22:54.840 So the political vindictiveness up to and including the current situation he finds himself in should be obvious for the world to see.

06:23:07.720 And it's unfortunate it's not how unfairly biased that's being handled compared to other things.

06:23:16.080 And this isn't meant as a rousing like pro-Trump thing.

06:23:22.900 It's just saying it's very obvious that he is being treated drastically differently than people of the other party that do other things that are just completely forgotten about or chose not to be acted on.

06:23:38.340 The other thing is election integrity. We heard for four solid years, everything questioning his election and how there was Russian conclusion and how this and that and the other. Yet in the election, and this is important, a lot of us, including myself, feel like that election was stolen.

06:24:06.000 and then when we went to the powers that be that have been talking about how important election

06:24:10.560 integrity is to look into it no one would even pretend to try to look into it and i think that

06:24:18.960 was one of the most disappointing indictments of that whole scenario but i mean if we're

06:24:26.960 going to talk about one of the most polarizing political figures in recent times we could spend

06:24:31.760 another five hours, six hours doing that. Sivan, do you have any quick thoughts on

06:24:39.140 President Trump? Yeah, I think you hit some positive notes, especially about the,

06:24:45.360 well, ultimately, he's the canary in the coal mine of the detrimental state in which we're stuck

06:24:54.240 inside a cage playing tag with people that have box cutters. These people are just seeing some

06:25:00.280 of the nefarious levels of political, I want to say a bad word, but I'm not going to say it. So

06:25:08.760 just political shenanigans that they're playing should be eye-opening to anyone. I think it has

06:25:16.460 been. I think it's brought a lot of people to an awareness about how a lot of those policies of

06:25:21.800 those box-cutting, wielding psychos destroy cities and whole states are evacuating and

06:25:28.080 moving to other states so that they could spread their terrible ideology again um even though it's

06:25:33.820 muted for a little bit but outside of that i mean i'm still kind of i i like the fact that when he

06:25:41.640 said the n-word he said nationalist and the media and everyone flipped their lids i thought that was

06:25:48.500 kind of fun i i was i thought that was kind of a funny thing i i don't consider him particularly

06:25:54.520 a nationalist as I do, maybe a patriotic fellow, but just watching the media absolutely lose their

06:26:03.460 minds because they are global communalist thinking people. I still think that he failed

06:26:12.060 on the wall process. I know a lot of people blame the Democrats, but following after his

06:26:19.380 uh you know his presidency we've had the worst border crisis um and it's been downplayed by the

06:26:26.740 media and and all that stuff and i really wish that there was more moving forward there um working

06:26:33.380 with states and getting that done because i think that's a huge problem that we have in our country

06:26:39.140 and um and then like over emphasizing ridiculous things that are not important like where you're

06:26:46.660 going to move in israel or um the unemployment rate of certain demographic we don't care like

06:26:53.780 that's if ever like if you just fix things things will start to get better stop hyper focusing and

06:27:00.180 kowtowing to the i'm not a racist i'm i'm i'm helping people do this and do that that was just

06:27:06.820 so tiresome to watch them do um but again you're right like you said they just hit them with such

06:27:14.820 conniving things about the way everything he's talked about and people are so brainwashed i mean

06:27:19.380 it was like it was like coveted politics everyone was just like gotta wear the mask orange man bad

06:27:28.500 so this is the point i really want to emphasize here um especially in relation to you know we're

06:27:37.060 political advocacy for candidates or positions isn't something that we're trying to do here with

06:27:49.720 this but the example of when there is someone that goes outside of the very tightly controlled

06:27:57.960 politically correct narrative and the way they are shut down and treated with just shocking

06:28:07.520 venality and the media letting it pass is what i think is really important um

06:28:14.220 watching and through this other groups of people are picking up on this as well and the trust in

06:28:23.880 media is at an all-time low as it shouldn't that is that is hopeful um you know i was at a okay so

06:28:31.720 i will end on this i was at a um balder's off or something and i was staying in a in a motel

06:28:41.800 over in in wilmer a town close by and i got up one morning to eat my my dixie cup waffle breakfast

06:28:50.200 because that's the best thing ever when you get the little cup of the squirt the waffle batter in

06:28:55.140 it. You can, you get the little flip waffle. I love that when I stay at a hotel, it makes me

06:28:59.200 happy, but I digress. So I was eating my waffle with the peanut butter, the little peanut butter

06:29:04.340 packets that you can get with it. That's awesome. So I was doing that. And, uh, these two, um,

06:29:12.360 African-American gentlemen that, uh, did not seem like they would strike you as politically

06:29:19.760 astute, were watching the news. And, you know, they were remarking on how poorly they were

06:29:30.640 suffering under the Biden administration and how, like, you know, these people's lying under Trump.

06:29:38.480 These gas was cheap. Like they had something, you know, they were regular people that weren't,

06:29:46.200 that aren't on our team that are pro a party we're saying hey no what they're saying on the tv

06:29:52.440 is just not true things are not better than they were previously we know better than that

06:30:01.080 and i've watched a lot of different groups of people take note that the media is feeding them

06:30:07.960 something that just isn't true we've seen it more in the past few years than ever before

06:30:11.960 hopefully more people wake up to things and look into some things for themselves and make

06:30:19.080 educated decisions and not decisions based on being spoon-fed by the media because

06:30:26.400 unfortunately media is really failing us lately. That said, we appreciate you guys so much for

06:30:33.080 sticking with us and all of your, you know, dealing with our tech stuff and participating

06:30:39.580 in our fun new little donate features and everything else.

06:30:43.820 We appreciate that.

06:30:48.480 Yeah, thanks, guys.

06:30:49.800 You guys make this show work.

06:30:51.180 It's run off y'all's questions.

06:30:52.680 We've had a really good chat room tonight over on the side.

06:30:55.740 Svon, thank you, as always, for being here

06:30:58.640 and sharing your wisdom with all of us.

06:31:00.380 We appreciate it.

06:31:02.120 And huge, huge thanks this week go to Nick and to Lydia.

06:31:07.340 for all of the work they've put in on the new formatting on things.

06:31:13.100 They're going to continue to tighten it up for next time.

06:31:15.800 And they have put in a ridiculous number of hours

06:31:21.700 over the past three or four days on this.

06:31:23.560 So thank you guys so much.

06:31:26.440 Good night.

06:31:28.760 Until next time, hail the gods, hail the folk, hail the AFA.

06:31:33.240 And remember, victory never sleeps.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - October 05, 2023

10⧸4⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 65 - ᛋᛏᛒ

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