Asatru Folk Assembly - October 08, 2026


10⧸7⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 222 - Prose Edda: Skáldskaparmál, Part 6

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's edition of If You Never Sleeps.
00:03:10.360 I hope everybody out there is doing well.
00:03:17.480 Tonight, Slon and I continue with our discussion on Sky with Scott for Mama.
00:03:23.540 top of the show and I guess top of the month things this is our first show of October it's
00:03:36.100 kind of surprising that October is here already but so it is so on got a couple of things we've
00:03:46.360 We're working on fundraising for and seeing what we're all,
00:03:50.080 we're trying to get a pavilion built out at Cigarhane.
00:03:56.800 Working on that, we got land cleared and leveled
00:04:01.480 and have a plan in place.
00:04:03.800 We're still trying to raise money for that.
00:04:05.560 Appreciate y'all's generosity.
00:04:07.600 That's 32.7% paid off, which is doing great.
00:04:12.600 Great. And then we are also in the midst of paying off. Oh, and everybody ooh and ah over Nick went through and revitalized our graphics for all of our stuff on the store, all of our fundraisers and things, and they look snazzy. Good job on that, Nick.
00:04:33.960 and if we could take a look at the progress we are making on paying off phrase off we are now
00:04:41.520 over 50 percent of the way paid off which is spectacular considering that we just dedicated
00:04:48.660 it uh this last december so we're already 50.4 paid off thank you everyone who has made that possible
00:04:59.500 um if every member of the afa were to donate 81 today this would be paid off instantly just as
00:05:11.860 kind of a marker on how far away we are so we're doing great at that thank you everybody anybody
00:05:18.260 who would like to contribute please visit uh runestone.org slash donate and we appreciate
00:05:28.160 all of your
00:05:29.180 efforts, all of your contributions
00:05:32.400 and all of your generosity. Thank you guys.
00:05:35.380 On the theme of
00:05:36.400 generosity, to start out, we have
00:05:38.800 Stephen
00:05:40.400 in Japan who donated
00:05:41.820 $10 towards Frazehoff
00:05:44.300 and $5
00:05:45.540 towards paying off
00:05:47.720 or I'm sorry, $10 towards paying off
00:05:50.120 Frazehoff and $5 towards
00:05:52.460 the Nureshoff
00:05:53.880 restoration effort.
00:05:55.840 appreciate that. Thank you so much. Stephen also made a recent generous donation of a TV for
00:06:06.620 Thorshoff, so thank you for that. We appreciate you very much. Jeffrey in Texas donated $20
00:06:15.140 towards the Njordshoff restoration. Thank you for that. We appreciate you. And Gilbert,
00:06:21.400 all of these are regular donors to the program. Gilbert is as well and we appreciate your
00:06:29.460 generosity as always. $150 towards restoring New York South. Recently the electricity there went
00:06:36.380 out. We're in an ongoing discussion to get compensated for some of the damage that occurred
00:06:43.960 but we have some you know some cleaning and restoration work been underway and we appreciate
00:06:48.340 that quite a bit. Oh, also, Angela donated $50 towards Frazehoff and towards the Nordshoff
00:06:57.480 Restoration, and an additional $50 towards the Nordshoff Restoration. Thank you, Angela. We
00:07:03.140 appreciate you so much, and we appreciate all you guys. Your generosity over this last,
00:07:10.280 in general, has been fantastic, and everyone's generosity recently has really been,
00:07:16.940 really been something to behold so thank you guys so much for all of the generosity and the help
00:07:25.780 um yeah it's very much appreciated so um things to know to get started we are
00:07:35.440 let's see where we're sitting we are sitting at section 27 kennings for free and we're in
00:07:46.680 If you are looking for where we are at we are the version that's the translations Fawn and I are going through is at thelosfau.org.
00:07:57.680 But feel free as always to use whatever translation you have.
00:08:03.680 Yes, that's what we'll be discussing.
00:08:08.680 Also, a couple of notes up front.
00:08:17.160 we are taking our time to work through the lore uh because it's a weekly show we got as long as
00:08:23.320 we need and we're working our way through but it's also primarily a question and answer driven
00:08:28.360 program that can be about the bit of lore that we're discussing but it also can be about whatever
00:08:33.800 comes to mind whatever you'd like to discuss and we really rely on that so anybody who has questions
00:08:40.840 you can submit those wherever you're watching this assuming you're watching it live or at any
00:08:46.440 time to vns at runestone.org and uh we would be excited and happy to get your questions and we
00:08:59.120 will answer those as soon as we've got a break we would also um yeah whenever you send them in
00:09:08.100 even if it's not live we'll get to them at the next available opportunity and if you're sending
00:09:12.600 things in live if it's a priority or if it's uh relevant to the piece of lore we're discussing
00:09:20.280 we'll go ahead and shuffle it in if not we get questions between the uh
00:09:27.240 section breaks um other other things up top if you can make it we are celebrating a better
00:09:38.040 Niter Winter Nights at Frazehoff. That is October the 16th through the 18th, and Frazehoff is in
00:09:46.840 Austintown, Ohio. It's going to be beautiful. It's going to be the first
00:09:52.520 Vetter Niter celebrated at Frazehoff. That's always been kind of the foundational AFA East Coast
00:10:01.080 event, so I'm really looking forward to it. This will be the first time having it hosted
00:10:06.040 at Bray's Hoff that is making good on a commitment to the area that is long-standing,
00:10:14.900 so it will be really, really nice to be part of that.
00:10:17.980 A lot of great people are going to be there.
00:10:20.000 I would love to see you all there if you can make it.
00:10:23.500 If you cannot celebrate the better night or wherever you find yourself,
00:10:29.880 go to your closest Hoff.
00:10:31.160 i've mentioned it before in past weeks but it's worth noting we've recently kind of shuffled
00:10:41.700 around our districting a little bit to more accurately reflect geography and drive times
00:10:47.940 so nick put that up for our united states members if you are in montana wyoming or colorado
00:10:59.340 you are no longer in Odenshoff District, you are now in Baldershoff District.
00:11:03.740 Again, it doesn't really change anything. Those things were all kind of far flung,
00:11:07.420 but chances are if you were in one of those states, it is now closer and more convenient for
00:11:13.660 you to get to, well, it has always been more convenient and closer for you to get to Baldershoff,
00:11:19.980 and now our district reflects that more accurately. But yeah, wherever you find yourself,
00:11:26.220 If you can make it to a hawk, put the map back up if you would.
00:11:30.840 Our hawks are located, Odenshoff in Brownsville, California.
00:11:38.060 Thorshoff in Linden, North Carolina.
00:11:41.940 Baldershoff in Murdoch, Minnesota.
00:11:44.440 Yordshoff in White Springs, Florida.
00:11:46.840 And now Thrashoff in Austintown, Ohio.
00:11:51.860 So if you can do it, we'd love to see you at any of those events.
00:11:55.360 I would personally love to see you up at Frazehoff.
00:11:59.360 Oh, since I've been flapping my gums, Leroy has donated $10 each towards the Yorchhoff
00:12:10.340 Restoration, towards paying off Frazehoff, and towards a pavilion at Cigarhain.
00:12:16.040 Thank you, Leroy.
00:12:17.120 We appreciate you very much, and thank you to everybody who's been generous.
00:12:21.140 With that, Svon, would you like to take folks into the text so we can learn about Kennings
00:12:28.260 for, oh, I should say this, I'm sorry, some, okay, so doing this weekly, I think we get
00:12:37.240 kind of in a, in a zone where we all know what's going on, we'll forget that some of
00:12:41.940 the listeners and people who are watching this may not be, this may be y'all's first
00:12:45.800 time. So, um, of note, the Skald Skapramau is very specifically a poem to instruct, uh,
00:13:00.360 skulls or bards in the poetic tradition of Norse, of Old Norse, specifically taking place
00:13:16.260 in Iceland, and it is something really special continues to happen in Iceland as being kind
00:13:28.340 a far-flung reach of Nordic culture, there was a special emphasis placed on retaining stories
00:13:40.580 and songs and poetry and the linguistic tradition of their ancestors, and it has preserved Old Norse
00:13:50.180 to where modern icelandic is intelligible to old norse and vice versa
00:13:58.020 it's you know it is identical in many cases it is
00:14:05.780 astronomically separate than others uh and along with that recording very ancient styles of poetry
00:14:13.700 of poetry of recitation meter and of those traditions and of naming they've held on to
00:14:21.220 those things for the longest and a big part of setting that off was way back when when
00:14:27.300 snorri sterleson put this down to help instruct those who came after him
00:14:32.500 up to and including today to understand that very specific style of poetry but a big boon for us
00:14:40.180 who are also true is this was there was a very deliberate attempt to accurately preserve the
00:14:48.980 stories of our faith as part of that that tradition that they wanted to maintain and
00:14:55.540 hold on to even post conversion so this is special and it gives us really good opportunity
00:15:02.180 And yeah, this bit is a part of that discussion on how to poetically refer to our gods, our goddesses, and mythic events.
00:15:15.640 And often it has examples of famous scholars of the time and ways that they have chosen to use the kennings or these poetic references in their works.
00:15:32.180 so it's fine if you would take oh again while i was talking roland donated 50 oh i'm sorry ronald
00:15:40.020 i do that i don't know why that's my fault i apologize ronald donated 50 towards paying off
00:15:45.220 fray's off uh he says for the glory of frayer by way of paying off phrase off with much love
00:15:53.300 from the boardman family um yeah ron bordman is one of our outstanding folk builders uh
00:16:03.540 2025 folk builder of the year as a matter of fact in new hampshire and he is doing amazing things
00:16:11.140 up there so if you guys are in that part of the country make sure you check in with him and get
00:16:16.580 involved that said spawn would you like to take them into the text and uh the stanza that we last
00:16:24.180 left on um did you say 20 or uh excuse me uh 37 no i said we are starting at 27. 27 okay
00:16:40.900 i was uh panicking a little bit there i was like wait a minute um
00:16:46.580 So, another thing to consider is that a lot of these from the Scald Scalper's mouth is the Scaldic handbook of quick guide reference in relation to creating your own poetry or reciting and understanding old poetry.
00:17:14.400 I think that there was this sense that there would be the possibility for poetry to grow from this point.
00:17:26.040 But he wanted to know or wanted the young poets to know where everything comes from or multiple angles.
00:17:37.300 And so that's why it's written in these slices.
00:17:40.460 um and so we hear you know the kennings of the kennings of this the kennings of that
00:17:47.700 and basically it's so that the poet can go and read this section and go okay i have multiple
00:17:55.860 different ways that i can speak about a subject in the lore and the reasoning for that is is
00:18:03.200 Because with alliterative poetry, they wanted to make sure that there were multiple sounds starting at the beginning of words so that they could alliterate them and not get overused.
00:18:20.760 So not only does it promote memorizing great amounts of lore, but also forces the poet to not overrun.
00:18:34.640 That's kind of why you see these repeating verses in, say, like the Volaspau or in Grimnismal.
00:18:44.500 And these were markers that were utilized, but the better the poet, the less there was this need for these repetitions.
00:18:56.740 So 37, we have the Kennings of winter.
00:19:08.160 How should winter be paraphrased?
00:19:11.260 thus call it the son of wind svaler so the the the where we're talking about um here the biggest
00:19:26.440 important thing is lore little bits of lore vince wallet is the the yacht nar that is of
00:19:34.420 uh the the cold the forces of nature that are um brimming right on the edge of orla with the gods
00:19:47.740 and sometimes flow in accordance but other times overflow and so you'll you'll see the powers
00:19:57.980 there kind of referencing especially when it comes to fire and when it comes to winter um
00:20:04.700 and things like that there are primordial forces that have been taken by um the yacht
00:20:12.860 and apply themselves into the middle world um it is the destruction of serpents and the tempest
00:20:22.380 season thus sang the poet ormir steinthorson to the blind man i prefer this blessing
00:20:35.420 windswaller sun thus saying ausgrimmer the warlike spoil bestower lavish of wealth
00:20:45.740 that winter snakes woe in thraundheim tarried the folk knew thy true actions
00:20:56.140 so the referencing again is pretty clear when it comes to the snake um woe uh the cold um when we
00:21:07.020 We speak of the actions here, though, that's kind of another problem.
00:21:14.440 This poem is isolated, so kind of going deeper into it in relation.
00:21:20.260 But again, it's only about referencing how winter was used as far as descriptions.
00:21:31.240 So, again, the Jotnar and their placement in the middle world is an interesting point.
00:21:39.220 I think I saw a question in the queue that might open this up a little bit more.
00:21:46.000 But the point of it is, tell the poet all the different ways and origin of winter so that when they use it in poetry, they can embellish on it.
00:22:00.380 Kennings for the summer. Now, there's another great point. Most people are of the Roman or
00:22:13.600 Hellenic or Gregorian concept of the four seasons. Our ancestors had two seasons. There's the summer
00:22:23.500 and the winter and fall and spring are just the entry into those seasons uh kind of like the
00:22:31.820 the foyer of a house um but not separate from the totality of the house so that's why these two
00:22:40.940 seasons are the only one mentioned because again uh in the four season uh summer starts at the
00:22:50.060 solstice and winter technically starts at uh the solstice in december but for our ancestors that
00:22:58.860 was midwinter so the arch was fully um brought to its zenith at that point so the kennings of summer
00:23:09.180 How should one paraphrase summer? Thus, call it the sun of Svausudur, or the beautiful south, and comfort of serpents, and the growth of men, even as Eil Skalagrimsun sang.
00:23:31.760 we shall wave our sword
00:23:35.380 why are we
00:23:37.820 on 38
00:23:39.960 because I thought you said 37
00:23:44.720 no I said 27
00:23:46.440 oh my goodness I'm sorry
00:23:48.660 it's okay
00:23:49.840 let me see here
00:24:01.760 Okay. Ah, yes. The, the, um, Thor's, um, adventure and that's where we last left off. And there was a huge poem that we went through. It's been, um, it's been a bit since our last, um, VNS with, with us two.
00:24:23.620 so i kind of was jumping ahead way ahead okay so the last uh at 27 still talking about the gods
00:24:35.860 in particular the our senior we have 27 what are the kennings for freak how should one paraphrase
00:24:45.700 Frigg. Call her the daughter of Fjarkin, wife of Odin, mother of Baldr, co-wife of Yorth,
00:24:59.060 and Rindr, and Gunloth, and Gríðr, mother-in-law of Nanna, lady of the Æsir and the Æsinyr,
00:25:11.380 mistress of fulla and of the hawk plumage and of fen solid now a couple things about that
00:25:19.980 co-wife and mistress um the meanings of words have changed so what it would be is like the
00:25:31.220 the mother of children beset from lord odin that there's she is uh one of the mothers who has
00:25:44.120 produced offspring from lord odin so co-wife is i don't you know it's the the translation there
00:25:52.760 being not like everyone sharing at once but that there is a lineage that's clearly connected
00:25:59.920 as well as mistress, meaning like they are cohorts, sisters who work together and they are mentioned quite often together.
00:26:14.700 So Fula is her handmaiden, the number one of the handmaidens.
00:26:22.920 maidens um so of all of the children born of lord odin she is one of the mothers along with yard
00:26:33.240 the earth render the the icy cold uh gun love now that's an interesting one um because
00:26:44.360 there is not an explicit point of Gunloth being the mother of Bragi. It's not fully said,
00:26:55.400 but this is the verse that has inclined folks to believe this as so. Her name means
00:27:04.760 battle song and she is in sutung's mountain and they uh they spend three nights together and
00:27:15.080 it's referenced here that she is a mother but then it doesn't expand on this anywhere else
00:27:21.000 unfortunately in the lore so there are um some folks who believe that bragi is a product of
00:27:29.080 that coupling um and greeter um again this is in relation to the house and this is
00:27:38.680 vali and vidar um and their connections to lord odin um the mother-in-law of nana
00:27:48.120 is very interesting as well obviously through balder um but it talks about her being brought
00:27:54.760 into the icier and the sharer of the hawk plumage um throughout the stories you will hear that the
00:28:05.560 cape of hawk plumage that um frig has whereas frey freya is often spoken of as a falcon plumage
00:28:16.440 and um i know that a lot of people associate the heron with frig but also to the hawk is
00:28:25.560 for obvious reasons um but it goes through as we are going through some of the our senior and the
00:28:33.560 aus vineyard and again it is brief particularly because um the lore is
00:28:44.440 it's scant uh there's so much lore on lord thor that following him makes everything look even
00:28:53.080 28. Kennings for Freyja. How should one paraphrase Freyja? Thus, by calling her the daughter of Njörðr,
00:29:08.580 sister of Freyr, wife of Odr, mother of Nos, 0.96
00:29:16.600 possessor of the slain, of Sesramnir, of the Gibcats, 0.97
00:29:23.880 and of the Brzingamen, goddess of the Vanir,
00:29:29.440 lady of the Vanir, goddess beautiful in tears,
00:29:34.360 goddess of love all the goddesses may be paraphrased as thus by calling them
00:29:41.200 by the name of another and naming them in terms of their possessions or their works or their
00:29:48.840 kindred again the instruction manual for the poet but it can also be the instruction manual
00:29:55.780 of a pious ausitruer attempting to construct their own personal prayers, which is a common
00:30:06.080 practice at home is to list and place names, kind of flexing your knowledge in an act of giving,
00:30:19.480 an act of piety to the gods. 29. The Kennings of Sif. How should Sif be paraphrased? By calling her
00:30:33.340 the wife of Thor, mother of Ullr, fair-haired goddess, co-wife,
00:30:41.420 the, you know, again, sharing of, of motherhood with Thor's offsprings, uh, co-wife of Ijarnsaxa,
00:30:52.040 mother of Thrudr. Um, and I know a lot of people say Jarnsaxa, Ijarnsaxa, iron knife, um,
00:31:03.940 is a, uh, a Jotun, um, and again, she, there, you know, debate on, on, um, if she is an
00:31:16.920 Austvinir, uh, there's, there's an interesting kind of, uh, gray zone there, if you will.
00:31:24.420 Um, Kennings for Idun. How should Idun be paraphrased?
00:31:31.340 thus by calling her the wife.
00:31:35.160 Let's pause for a second.
00:31:36.280 Yep.
00:31:36.980 That one's a long one,
00:31:38.160 and I figured we could hit the questions
00:31:40.200 that we have before we kind of,
00:31:42.380 the rest of them are just like very short paragraphs.
00:31:45.140 Hers is a little bit more in the depth.
00:31:48.440 So we've got a couple of things.
00:31:53.560 Again, I want to reiterate if anybody has questions,
00:31:56.580 please send it.
00:31:57.460 Well, you can ask them right now,
00:31:59.440 but if you're listening to this at a later time,
00:32:01.060 and you have questions. Or if you just wake up
00:32:03.300 in the middle of the night and you've got a crazy question,
00:32:05.540 vns at
00:32:06.720 remandstone.org.
00:32:11.060 Send them in on the little Zeppelin
00:32:13.220 that the 1.00
00:32:15.060 Midgetime Daniel
00:32:17.280 graphic is pointing to.
00:32:21.040 First question up,
00:32:23.920 if our gods
00:32:25.340 can intervene in the physical world
00:32:27.300 for things like fertility, healing,
00:32:29.300 and protection, why don't they communicate with us more openly and directly, which theoretically
00:32:38.500 would be easier than those things? Relatedly, how did the lore come about originally? Presumably
00:32:45.740 the gods revealed this information to our folk in some way, audibly, in dreams, visions,
00:32:51.900 putting thoughts in their head, etc. Svan, what are your thoughts on that?
00:32:59.300 okay uh i um i have some pretty strong thoughts on this one um when we read the lore
00:33:06.520 the lore um showcases things that i don't think
00:33:12.480 So, Svon mentioned earlier in the green room that his internet service has been kind of
00:33:32.280 spotty all day, so we may have some of this this evening.
00:33:36.600 He was in the midst of making a profound point, no doubt, but we will have to hear that when
00:33:43.920 he comes back in.
00:33:49.160 And we will.
00:33:51.200 In the meantime, though, I'll mention some of my thoughts on that.
00:33:59.220 I guess I'll start with the last first a little bit.
00:34:06.600 So, I think it's a really good thing to ponder, you know, how did the war originally come about?
00:34:21.100 Ours is a little bit different story.
00:34:23.680 I think that we are used to, we're used to religions with named prophets or with stories of, you know, revealed tablets or things like that.
00:34:40.700 And that's not really the case in our law.
00:34:42.940 And I don't think that's the case in most indigenous, like, ethnic faiths.
00:34:50.800 i think with the uh the big abrahamic faiths are special in that regard uh our lore again developed
00:35:03.600 over a broad and long stretch of eons stretch of relationship and time and
00:35:12.880 getting to know each other process so the story of our folk and something that uh folk builder
00:35:25.160 chris savage and i have been really working to convey over our history episodes the story of
00:35:33.020 Asatru is the story of the relationship between the Isir and the Aryan people since the start
00:35:42.900 of our very existence.
00:35:44.620 It is a process of relationship, of gift giving, of our gift cycle, starting with when Othin,
00:35:56.680 Billy and Vae gave
00:35:59.940 divine spark and goodly hue and breath
00:36:04.900 and made us
00:36:08.600 us with Asker and Ingle.
00:36:12.740 And that process has
00:36:16.800 been a getting to know one another
00:36:20.840 process. It has been
00:36:23.200 done over eons and generations of our folk being in a devotional relationship with the
00:36:32.420 and coming ever closer to better closer and more more accurate understanding and
00:36:42.920 getting building a more perfect relationship with gods and that's a process that's taken
00:36:50.240 situation um it's taken longer than that in truth so those lore those bits of lore that we have
00:36:59.920 i think they came through all of the things that you mentioned i think that we have had um
00:37:07.040 gothar and heroes of the folk that the gods have chosen to reveal truth to and reveal stories to
00:37:15.840 and reveal bits of themselves to in more profound ways i think special things happen when it happens
00:37:25.680 to a number of people at once when they get together and like hey i had this dream they're
00:37:31.280 like hey me too i was this is what i think they were trying to tell me oh wow that's exactly what
00:37:40.720 but they tried to tell them, okay.
00:37:43.160 And if you get enough of those things together,
00:37:45.260 they start taking form, taking shape, solidifying.
00:37:51.260 And over time, a certain amount of providence ensures
00:37:56.000 that the right things take momentum
00:38:00.680 and that maybe errant things don't take root.
00:38:05.760 We do have a certain trust and faith
00:38:08.760 that the gods are looking out for us.
00:38:11.340 And as parents teach children over time,
00:38:16.740 they try to make sure and correct us
00:38:19.000 and lead us in the right directions.
00:38:23.400 But yeah, I think things you mentioned,
00:38:26.080 in dreams, in visions, in flashes of inspiration.
00:38:33.440 You mentioned audibly, I think that some people
00:38:36.780 absolutely are have manifested vision like visitations from the gods in the course of our
00:38:45.180 the long history of our race i think other people hear literal voices from the ic are telling them
00:38:52.860 things and more commonly they have those dreams they have a special dream why does this dream
00:39:00.300 is so clear days later,
00:39:03.260 whereas the other dreams evaporate into the mist.
00:39:06.400 Why does this stick out in my head so profoundly?
00:39:11.040 And I think the collective volume of those things
00:39:15.060 over the eons of our existence
00:39:18.860 have crystallized these stories for us
00:39:21.740 and these understandings of the Aesir
00:39:24.200 in really beautiful ways,
00:39:26.460 in poetic ways and in ways that speak to our soul that speak to who we are and that are
00:39:33.100 understandable by us in a way that's unique to us and so i think it is that long process your first
00:39:40.940 question i think that everyone on this planet wonders those things i think that if we are honest
00:39:52.540 man if the gods hear us and they want us to do something why don't they just show up and tell
00:39:58.380 us exactly what to do and you know why don't they step in and run things and wipe away all of our
00:40:05.980 problems and make things go the way they want and why do they allow you know why do they allow
00:40:13.180 anything contrary to their will to happen why don't they do all of these things i believe that
00:40:20.460 everyone wonders that or wishes that or struggles with understanding that and i think that we
00:40:29.260 you know one of our um one of our virtues is truth and i think we'd be dishonest if we didn't
00:40:34.540 admit that we all think that we all have those thoughts that occur to us to all of us that's not
00:40:41.660 a betrayal of our faith it's just being honest and i think fundamentally
00:40:47.340 we could come up with some grand philosophy on it
00:40:51.940 to make it sound good
00:40:53.240 but the simple truth is
00:40:56.260 because that's not how it works
00:40:58.020 I don't presume to tell you
00:41:03.620 exactly what is involved
00:41:07.120 in a God interacting with a mortal
00:41:11.440 and how that all works
00:41:13.200 but
00:41:15.380 existence has told us
00:41:17.820 two things
00:41:19.720 that are simultaneously true
00:41:21.460 the gods exist
00:41:25.060 and we know this
00:41:26.980 and when I say that I want to step outside
00:41:29.620 of Ausatru for a moment
00:41:30.940 just
00:41:32.400 humanity knows that
00:41:35.400 a world of powers
00:41:37.500 beyond our
00:41:38.700 five senses
00:41:40.820 exists
00:41:42.580 that is a hallmark of all branches of sentient earth fauna since forever and it's fundamental to
00:41:53.060 that sentience but also
00:41:56.900 that's not how it works the gods don't just appear and do all the stuff and fix all the things and
00:42:06.240 run everything for us and it would be so much more convenient if they did it would be awesome
00:42:12.760 i think all of us long for that day that odin appears to us and tells us what he wants and what
00:42:21.380 his will is and that would be wonderful and to some select few for a brief moment in time
00:42:29.520 that has happened. For those of us who are exceptionally blessed, you get that spark of
00:42:37.760 knowing. Whatever form that comes or however you would describe it, you get that affirmation
00:42:47.100 or that message that's unmistakable from the Aesir. A lot of people experience
00:42:54.860 that in a variety of different ways.
00:43:00.040 And it becomes awkward because I don't know that our language
00:43:03.840 allows for the perfect way to communicate that.
00:43:09.440 So we all struggle to describe it as best we can.
00:43:14.260 Some wax grandiose and describe it in ways that are so flowery
00:43:21.440 that they may seem silly to some.
00:43:24.860 um others describe it far too dry and too clinically in a way that almost robs it of its
00:43:36.700 profundity and then there's everyone in between struggling the best they know how to express
00:43:45.580 how the divine inspires them or does things i'll share something one of the ways that um
00:43:52.620 i see her communicate to me uh with that inspiration and it relates to the rune uh kenaz
00:44:04.060 i have long i don't know fought for understanding of that room um when i first got involved in in
00:44:15.260 Alcetru. What is Kenaz? Kenaz means torch. It means torch. It always means torch. It should
00:44:26.480 mean torch. Torch all day long. But there's this obscure, yeah, but it also kind of means
00:44:32.840 like festering sore. That's gross. Torch is cooler. Let's go with torch. And I think that's
00:44:39.960 a lot of people were linguistically there's very very very little that equates it to the torch
00:44:48.200 there is very much that equates it to um a festering a burning ulcer uh an ulcerated sore
00:44:59.240 but that just sounds gross and it also isn't what you want to hear necessarily and
00:45:10.100 but especially when I started really thinking on the ulcer
00:45:16.120 it absolutely and it has always meant inspiration the idea of a torch leading you forward for
00:45:25.860 inspiration makes a lot of sense and is a beautiful picture but i think on a very visceral level
00:45:34.580 the literal fire in the belly an internal burning that if not treated burns a hole in your gut
00:45:45.220 I think that encapsulates the way that I experience divine inspiration
00:45:55.920 in a very visceral and spot-on way. There are some times that I get overwhelmed with a
00:46:08.120 burning need to do something, to express something, to make something happen.
00:46:18.340 For the Isir, for the folk, for the AFA, I will get something that sticks with me and 1.00
00:46:25.080 is relentless and will not let me sleep and will not let me have peace and burns and eats 0.97
00:46:31.280 at me until I put something into motion to move closer towards it or to move us closer
00:46:37.620 towards it i believe with all my soul that that is the icer giving me a directive and it's taught
00:46:48.100 me a very i don't know very important lesson on kenaz that i've has really shaped my understanding
00:46:56.580 of that mystery um but yeah why don't gods just show up and do the things and tell us what they
00:47:04.100 want i wish they did it doesn't work that way i think it is probably a very difficult and big deal
00:47:13.540 to alter the norms of reality in such a way for that to happen that it's very special when it does
00:47:22.180 happen to whatever whatever breaks through to communicate that is very special we need to
00:47:31.540 treasure those things. And I think it is absolutely possible for the gods to appear before you and
00:47:38.520 tell you a thing. But I think that is exceedingly in the course of our history. I think if you
00:47:47.520 listen, though, all of us can receive understanding from the gods. And I think it comes to us in all
00:47:56.660 the ways you mentioned and probably many ways that we may not be fully aware of or may not be
00:48:02.220 looking out for. Svon, you were about to tell us something deep and weighty and your internet
00:48:09.680 service conspired against you. So floor is yours. Yeah, it has been very spotty all day, actually
00:48:17.420 for the week, because I think my proximity to a military base is making things that they're doing
00:48:25.120 things around the base so whenever that happens my connections get all kinds of crazy um
00:48:33.600 so everything that i was here just said is the most viable and on the razor edge of our faith
00:48:45.520 uh people don't think of it this way but yet they do well or and will say our faith is a living
00:48:53.440 faith that's where the living happens is in these points of inspiration and movement and then there
00:49:00.080 is the relationship that has been established in the in the lineage and the sacred initiation that
00:49:07.440 comes from being the else here go the and then from founder mcnalen as it that those all have factors
00:49:16.560 I think what I was going to be leaning towards was one more consideration I think that a lot of people are looking for, and that's because they're coming from Christianity.
00:49:29.020 And so I was going, I point to the paper, to the book, but remember what I'm stating is I think far more open to interpretation than the living.
00:49:43.320 And that is a hard thing for people to try to wrap their heads around. They immediately want to go to the verse, to the poem, to the stanza, to the scripture. And that is a conditioning of a man-made religion, which is built around scribes in the Middle East writing things down.
00:50:02.000 so one of the things is that mythos speaks in symbolic language it's the painting
00:50:11.120 of a picture through words and one of the things that i think brings this up is when
00:50:19.580 there is the question of uh omnipotence omnipotence then beckons the question of
00:50:28.700 Well, if this God is omnipotent, why are these things happening? Why is the communication not there? But I think if we stop and think about it, we come from the point that the gods and the divine are not this catch all.
00:50:49.960 oh there's just one person in the back um who created everything and let's not discuss about
00:50:57.800 good and evil and whether he created it or hangs out with it or whatever book of joe um however it
00:51:04.360 might be so our faith and theological point from the lore already states up front that our gods
00:51:14.600 gods are part of this universe, this grand ecosystem, and that they are committed to
00:51:24.720 certain rules, if you will. Now, a lot of people will say, well, gods aren't, you shouldn't have
00:51:31.240 rules. And it's like, again, if you're coming from the Christian perspective, and this is late
00:51:36.480 Christianity, early Christianity didn't have these and Judaism, there were places where Yahweh could
00:51:43.960 not traverse uh the the people of the iron wheel and going up north he had no power there um so
00:51:52.360 that's a interesting discussion to get into about um uh omnipotence and omnipresence but our gods
00:51:59.560 have stated up front that everything that they are doing the cultivation of the pure souls the the
00:52:06.120 attainment into heaven not being fully accessed by everyone is because this bolstering helps them
00:52:12.840 stand against the forces of chaos at the end and if the prophecy is correct there will be this
00:52:19.960 falling of both sides so the gods will fall did i lose you
00:52:35.480 it's fine you're cutting out pretty good you have to go back about 30 seconds okay um
00:52:44.620 so if you have this concept of omnipotence and omnipresence from christianity it will be very
00:52:53.000 hard for you to uh lay that down and understand that the divine does have if it is to have
00:53:02.940 influence has rules. Now, the rules are unknown to us, and we are always on the side of we cannot
00:53:11.820 presume that the gods can't do anything. Ashergothi has told me hundreds of times, and
00:53:19.580 it's bright wisdom is at least the gods can do what we do. And that beckons us to look upwards
00:53:29.260 and be more noble and more divine.
00:53:32.380 But it also states the understanding
00:53:34.680 that the gods are connected to us
00:53:36.380 and that they can do much more
00:53:39.200 and we shouldn't confine them.
00:53:41.440 But the lore speaks of the fact
00:53:47.160 that Lord Odin going into the underworld
00:53:50.040 is a great feat.
00:53:53.300 It's a feat that makes him powerful.
00:53:56.480 Lord Odin synthesizing with Yggdras
00:53:59.180 and traveling its roots is a big deal so with that there is rules but again uh omnipotence
00:54:10.720 destroys all rationale and understanding of things it's just completely irrational to the
00:54:17.580 point where it's like you kind of have to throw up your hands the gods have rules they don't go
00:54:25.360 down uh into the underworlds lord odin goes there and that's a great feat they don't go down there
00:54:32.180 to judge the souls and weigh it against a feather or have a philkia lawyer or whatever it might be
00:54:38.840 there's these measurements lord thor is connected to the middle world the material so there is great
00:54:47.340 power and that is why he is the friend of the folk he's he's the god he's the god of men um
00:54:53.980 but the the gods moving in between the world through the lore is generally seen as there's
00:55:03.200 this again great um cost perhaps i don't know if the gods are moving into our world
00:55:11.640 there may be a cost that we don't know or an effort that we don't understand but either way
00:55:17.680 the interactions seem to be that the predominance is over the wellspring in heaven which is why
00:55:27.080 it's very important because I have heard other groups in particularly the Norena society trying 0.95
00:55:34.400 to move the wellsprings into the underworld and this abolishes much of the Aryan mythos established
00:55:41.280 and established by other Aryan groups. 0.80
00:55:46.620 With the well in heaven, the gods gather to counsel around the wellspring.
00:55:53.840 And from that place is the Nornir. 0.97
00:55:57.900 The Nornir are placing out the fates of men, and their judgment is there. 0.86
00:56:03.800 Now, we could argue back and forth, but the very living religion, 0.89
00:56:08.240 And we speak about our folks saying that the gods want to, we want the gods to witness us here, now, witness my deeds, we are our deeds, and so on and so forth.
00:56:20.960 So our belief stems that the gods are able to see us now.
00:56:27.340 It's not omnipresence, it's beyond presence.
00:56:36.240 It's not singular presence, but multiple avenues to see into a place or a, a, uh, the area that we exist, the material world, um, through the wellspring, through or law and the ripples there that are made at the judgment seats.
00:56:58.040 is one of the primary points that I always point to for the lore for folk who are asking questions
00:57:06.160 about the gods and their interactions. Not all of the gods gather at the wellspring, and that's why
00:57:14.880 we lean into the gill beginning as it is very clear as to where the wellspring is and who gathers
00:57:22.000 there and why those gods are good for the folk to pray to because of this intimate relationship
00:57:30.520 of all of these elements that's not just openly spoken of. So when you look at these relationships
00:57:38.500 in the Lord, you know, the building of that theological framework comes from looking at
00:57:44.720 all of those in relation to each other. So we have the gods interacting with Midgard through
00:57:52.880 Orla, through the well of earth, through the fates of men that are determined by the Nornir. 0.96
00:58:00.080 And these judgment seats are set in relation to their own fate and the fate of all the cosmos. 0.94
00:58:08.500 um so when the gods do inspire and ignite because of these relationships i often feel that it's
00:58:20.500 moving through orlaw or through weird through the giant or higher excuse me giant's not a good word
00:58:27.300 the the higher perspective the grand perspective that the gods have and that's what makes them
00:58:35.360 gods um on the the other part of this is in the lore there is referencing specifically to the
00:58:44.480 origin of the lore and it's again not explicitly said but after the war there is a being who is
00:58:54.720 created by the gods and his name is kvasir and it explicitly says he walks amongst the folk
00:59:03.040 settles their disagreements and teaches them knowledge so i have always taken that as the first
00:59:11.680 time that all of the lore all of the secrets that are in the lore are from kvasir from this moment
00:59:22.160 and that he is the one who ignites the mythos in the people and then as it lives it grows
00:59:31.600 and it's all understood that that growth by the gods will happen it's it's not that they're again
00:59:38.320 if they don't it seems especially in just the short window that i have seen there are things
00:59:44.960 that come up and then fall and those are not blessed by the gods so there's this free will
00:59:52.560 and inclination and there is their influence into earth and it falls away and then there is
01:00:02.560 the the destiny of which is compiled of all of that will being brought in um
01:00:10.400 so classier is what i would point to in the lore and uh especially because he's the first storyteller
01:00:19.280 in my uh interpretations um i've always spoken of him as being the first storyteller uh that
01:00:28.240 his wisdom settled grievances between the folk and that if we are to read the lore and look at
01:00:36.880 say the horses of the sun and of uh the earth and of the moon and that patterning and read into it
01:00:46.560 and suddenly realized this greatly reflects scientific understanding in the modern age
01:00:54.180 it's because that was intended that the gods knew where we would go and that they had layered the
01:01:02.380 truth the perennial truth of mythos in the stories that came from cluster's mouth since he was made
01:01:09.680 up of the gods after their union so that would be me pointing again at the lore but that doesn't
01:01:16.480 take away from the living religion the organic growth and relationship that the outsider go the
01:01:24.640 each of our uh members and their total relationship together interacting and creating this um
01:01:32.880 movement forward. It's like being on a boat. The wave may have come from long before and will flow
01:01:43.120 past, but the directionality and even the individual experience of everyone on the boat
01:01:49.140 might be slightly different, but yet still there is one who's holding the rudder and steering and
01:01:56.380 making sure in the so it's like a kind of perspectives on top of perspectives um i mean
01:02:03.980 it's a great question i think that um it's just very hard to quantify all at once and again
01:02:14.700 i'm i'm bringing up the point of the lore because i'm not trying to say in some grand and eloquent
01:02:20.380 way of and speaking falsehoods what i am saying is the lore says this we very rarely ever look at it
01:02:28.860 this way and um i think that the the the mapping of the mythos is there um and we um we have it
01:02:45.260 It's just that we're not looking at it in that correct perspective, perhaps because of older things like Christianity and concepts of omnipotence, omnipresence, etc.
01:02:56.080 Um, when we, when we go from, uh, taking that down and looking at the polytheistic worldview, that's when we begin to understand there are multiple ways in which the gods interact with us.
01:03:17.860 and if we ask ourselves well why did they allow this to happen the truest answer i can give you
01:03:25.300 is the perspective is different we oftentimes don't understand why the gods are doing what
01:03:34.080 they're doing because we don't
01:03:36.260 all right looks like spawn froze up there for a second but i think this is a good time to go into
01:03:49.620 our next question here um next question is can you talk about the south african family relief
01:03:58.640 project from their recent posts it sounds like they are struggling a lot lately because of fuel
01:04:05.280 and food costs off the grid farm. In parentheses there. So a little bit, and I don't claim
01:04:16.120 to be an expert on it. I've certainly interacted with them. We've donated funds in the past
01:04:22.320 and we may donate funds again in the future. Lady who runs that is a sweet gal. It seems 1.00
01:04:34.720 like it is a very small in scope operation with very big um very big goals i don't know how broad
01:04:48.800 their funding base is but yes their biggest um struggle that i end up hearing about is
01:04:59.280 is food costs as you mentioned to best of my understanding they are a
01:05:06.400 off the grid if government's not going to help we're going to have a colony of people that we're
01:05:12.640 going to try to get self-sufficient and that is a bigger hurdle than it may seem like um
01:05:22.400 Um, the number of families that they deal with again is relatively small, but, uh, food
01:05:31.400 expensive.
01:05:32.400 And I think that's only increased in recent years with different struggles going on.
01:05:37.400 And the very nature of it is, I'm choosing words carefully here because I think it's
01:05:51.400 um I don't think it is exaggerated but the tone is always going to be desperate because
01:06:00.440 I mean some of it goes in the wording they help people in need they're not helping people in want
01:06:07.300 they're helping people in need um and they're helping people that very very basic things like
01:06:15.080 getting enough to eat is really important so i'll say this the first
01:06:21.800 they were the first south african charity that um the austral folk assembly donated to to help
01:06:29.960 way back when we started doing this and the initial thing that we did they were having a
01:06:36.600 a really hard time getting baby formula and so the first thing we donated because at different
01:06:45.720 times in different ways that they fundraise sometimes you can you know just like we're
01:06:50.280 asking for fundraising on the pavilion or paying off new words off or you know any number of four
01:06:56.520 five six other things on the website theirs was similar so our contributions went straight to the
01:07:02.440 baby formula fund that they had at the time so they are always struggling with groceries um
01:07:13.080 i don't know that that's more now than it was previously but yeah they're you know they're
01:07:21.960 always very much in need um lady runs it seems like a very sweet lady uh i think they're probably
01:07:28.360 very nice people i don't have boots on the ground in south africa to really offer much more than that
01:07:39.320 um but speaking of people offering stuff nick in ohio donated twenty dollars to
01:07:47.640 uh the new york's off restoration so thank you nick we appreciate you um with that
01:07:55.320 At Svan, would you tell the folks about Kennings for Edun?
01:08:05.980 He may or may not.
01:08:07.920 So this is a cool one.
01:08:09.320 They've got a cool still frame of you looking up, pondering destiny or something.
01:08:14.240 It's a good picture, though.
01:08:15.440 That's a good freeze frame.
01:08:20.520 All right.
01:08:21.200 Well, I will go into the text then while we wait for Spahn to return.
01:08:27.840 How should Idun be paraphrased?
01:08:31.240 Thus, by calling her wife of Bragi and keeper of the apples.
01:08:38.380 And the apples should be called age elixir of the Aesir.
01:08:43.760 Idun is also called spoil of the giant theoski.
01:08:48.160 according to the tale
01:08:50.920 that has been told before
01:08:52.340 how he took her away from the Aesir 1.00
01:08:54.900 Theodolfer of 1.00
01:08:58.600 Kvin 0.76
01:08:59.520 composed verses after
01:09:02.540 that tale in
01:09:04.580 the Haustlong
01:09:05.780 How shall I make
01:09:08.280 voice payment
01:09:09.240 meetly for the shield bridge
01:09:12.860 of the war wall
01:09:15.940 Thordelither gave me.
01:09:19.340 I surveyed the 0.60
01:09:21.220 truiceless bearing
01:09:22.800 of the three gods
01:09:25.120 strife foremost
01:09:26.700 and Yahtzee
01:09:28.960 on the shining
01:09:30.620 cheek of the shield of battle.
01:09:33.760 The spoiler of the lady
01:09:35.180 swiftly flew with tumult
01:09:37.500 to meet the
01:09:39.240 high god rulers.
01:09:41.220 Long hints in eagle plumage
01:09:43.400 The errand in old days lighted 0.99
01:09:47.820 Where the Aesir meat were barren 1.00
01:09:51.520 To the fire pit the giant 0.99
01:09:53.900 Of the rocks was called no faint heart
01:09:57.420 The skillful god deceiver to the gods
01:10:01.340 Proved a stern shearer of bones
01:10:04.460 The high instructor of Aesir helmet hooded
01:10:08.240 Saw some power check the seething
01:10:12.820 The sea-mew, very crafty, spake from the ancient tree trunk.
01:10:20.680 Loki was ill-willed towards him.
01:10:23.720 The wolfish monster ordered Maile's sire to deal him food from the holy trencher.
01:10:32.980 The friend of him of ravens to blow the fire was chosen.
01:10:38.160 The giant king, flesh-greedy, sank down where the guileless, craft-sparing gods were gathered. 0.63
01:10:47.380 The comely lord of all things commanded Lothi swiftly to part the bull's meat slaughtered by Scali's ringing bowstring.
01:10:58.140 Among the folk, but straight away, the cunning food defiler of the Isear filched the quarters, all four from the broad table.
01:11:10.580 And the hungry sire of giants savagely ate the yoke beast from the oak trees sheltering branches that was in ancient ages.
01:11:22.580 Ere the wise-minded Loki, warder of war spoils, smoked him, boldest of foes of earth folk, with a pole betwixt the shoulders.
01:11:33.580 the shoulders. The arm burden then of Sigyn, whom all the gods in bonds are, firmly forthwith was
01:11:44.540 fastened to the fosterer of Skadi. To Jotunhang's strong dweller, the pole stuck, and the fingers 0.97
01:11:54.940 of loki two companion of honer clung to the pole's end the bird of blood flew upward 0.91
01:12:03.980 the lightsome in his quarry a long way off with loki
01:12:10.540 the leather god that almost wolves sire was went asunder thor's friend must sue for mercy
01:12:19.980 such piece as he might purchase. To pray, nigh slain, was flocked there. 0.50
01:12:26.620 Then Jaimyr's kinsmen ordered, the crafty god pain-mattened, to wile to him the maiden, 0.90
01:12:35.740 who warded the Isir's age-cure. Ere long the necklace-robber, Brisinga's thief, 0.98
01:12:44.860 lured Slyle, the dame of Brunachers, Brooklyn, into the base one's dwelling. 0.79
01:12:55.100 At that the steep slope-dwellers, no sorrow felt, then Aydoun, was from the south by giants, 0.89
01:13:04.620 new stolen come among them. All Yngwie Freyr's high kindred, hoary and old to counsel. 1.00
01:13:12.220 a hasted 0.97
01:13:15.560 gruesome 0.79
01:13:18.080 fashion and ugly 0.93
01:13:20.120 all the gods were
01:13:22.040 this hurt I
01:13:24.380 that the staunch friend
01:13:25.700 of Hohner off thereafter
01:13:28.460 with wiles he tricked the 0.79
01:13:30.160 Isean flew in
01:13:32.180 hawk wings hidden and the
01:13:34.140 vile sire of giants
01:13:35.600 vigorous wing plume wielder
01:13:38.180 hurtled on
01:13:40.260 eagle pennant
01:13:42.220 After the hawk-shaped Loki, swiftly the gods have kindled a fire, and the sovereign rulers sustained the flame with shakens. Scorched was the flaming giant. He plunged down and made soaring.
01:13:57.080 "'Tis pictured on the giant's soul-bridge, the shield which, painted with stories, Thorliefer gave me."
01:14:07.960 This is the correct manner of paraphrasing the eister, to call each of them by the name of another and to designate him in terms of his works or his possessions or his kindred.
01:14:20.920 sorry i gotta switch back and forth spawn has returned to us
01:14:30.000 um we appreciate him for the time that we have him
01:14:35.700 do we have any questions since then we do not spawn would you like to teach them
01:14:42.680 of kennings for the heavens
01:14:45.200 reading at this i'll tell you this so my reading is choppy i apologize
01:14:54.560 the way it's translated it's like i'm trying it feels like each line is supposed to be read
01:15:03.580 as if it were its own thing but then there's punctuation mid-line and so i'm breaking it
01:15:12.400 funny times i apologize it's hard to follow trust me it's hard for me to say so we're both struggling
01:15:19.600 but uh spawn if you would resume your duties and uh give my mouth and brain a break
01:15:30.720 or is frozen again
01:15:32.080 it's like right when we eat them every time every time all right fine then see how it is
01:15:43.540 oh uh for a second uh my friend bill gifted me this delicious mead it is
01:16:02.080 Golden Butter Bee, and it's delicious, so thank you, Bill.
01:16:13.500 My wife tried to correct me, but despite my previous rendition of the last stanza, I can't
01:16:20.000 in fact read.
01:16:21.600 It says Butter Bee, and I think that's a play on the fact that it's me.
01:16:25.000 Anyways, let me get to the Kinnings for the Heavens.
01:16:32.080 How should the heavens be paraphrased?
01:16:38.960 Thus call it Skull of Ymir, and hence Giant's Skull,
01:16:44.320 Task or Burden of the Dwarves, or Helm of Vestry and Austri, 0.58
01:16:49.440 Sudri or Nordri, Land of the Sun, of the Moon,
01:16:54.660 and of the Stars of Heaven, of the Wains and the Winds,
01:16:58.600 helm or house of the air and the earth and the sun so sang arnor earl's skull so large of gifts
01:17:10.460 ne'er mounted uh ne'er mounted okay young lord of shields on ship deck neath the ancient skull
01:17:20.080 of emir splendid is prince's largesse and as he sang again bright grows the
01:17:27.960 sun at dusking the earth sinks the dark sea the toil of Austria bursteth all the
01:17:36.660 ocean on the fells breaks thus saying budvar the halt for never neath the
01:17:48.080 son's plain shall come a nobler landlord, keener in battle on set, nor a brother of Ingi Shetter.
01:17:59.920 And as Thodolpher of Kfinns said,
01:18:05.600 said, your son drove to the steel play. High swelled the godlike anger in the mind of Miley's
01:18:20.840 brother, and the moonway neath him quivered, even as sang Ormer Beriskal, Lady of Draupnir's
01:18:34.560 gore streak, however great I know him, the wielder, by right he ruleth, of the wane's
01:18:42.540 road sees me gladly. Even as the scalded Brighi sang, he who threw the dead eyes to Yazzie, 1.00
01:18:52.600 Scaldi's father, into the wind's wide basin, bore the abodes of menfolk many. And as Marcus
01:19:02.540 sang tis long since the dear love were of seamen was born on the wave girt earth bottom of the
01:19:12.420 storm container each man praises praises the sublime age of the ring dispenser even as stain
01:19:23.780 And as Arnor sang further,
01:19:53.780 Soothfast king of the sun tents, helped stout-hearted Roggenvalder, and as Hallvarther sang.
01:20:05.440 Knutters wards the land, and as ruler of all, wards the radiant Felhall, as Arnor sang.
01:20:16.060 Michael, wise of understanding
01:20:19.040 Weighs what seems done ill
01:20:22.020 And good things
01:20:23.700 Then the monarch of the sun's helm
01:20:26.280 At the doom seat parts on works
01:20:29.240 Svon's eyes are moving
01:20:36.580 Yeah, I'm back
01:20:39.160 It's frustrating
01:20:41.120 Yes
01:20:42.420 Okay, Svon has returned, okay, there's a, going back to the back and forth, we got a question,
01:21:02.940 going back to the back and forth about co-wife.
01:21:07.260 um question is is co-wife like stepmother he's asking about parts okay yeah we we remember the
01:21:15.300 part that he's asking when uh frig is listed as co-wife of yord and uh render and and the others
01:21:24.660 in that passage um i looked at the etymology and i have to go back and play with it but basically
01:21:31.700 means like rival wife so uh odin begat children from a variety of different um
01:21:43.060 giantesses and uh the goddess frig and she's always celebrated as the queen of asgard and as
01:21:52.900 his you know wife proper but these other um other spiritual and primal forces that he begat um
01:22:04.420 offspring through are poetically referred to in those things as like rival life or a um
01:22:12.580 you know contender for his affections um
01:22:16.740 I mean, it depends on how much we want to, like, overextend the metaphor as far as stepmother
01:22:27.760 goes. That implies a relation. So what's important is the term was, okay, the poetics there were
01:22:41.060 comparing these different women to odin it would be a different thing comparing their relationship
01:22:50.580 to the other women's children and so that's not brought up there as a kenning and i don't know
01:22:59.700 if any of that relationship was and i mentioned that because in one case in our lore it is
01:23:07.940 mentioned that way um that ruler is the stepson of folk that's the only time i can think of like a
01:23:16.020 a certain reference made of defining a god or goddess as a step parent
01:23:24.020 like explicitly and so i think the fact that it is mentioned explicitly in that case
01:23:31.860 if that were the point of the kenning i think it would have been mentioned explicitly here
01:23:35.860 and it's not. As a matter of fact, while Svon is reading, I may go and see in that instance the
01:23:42.340 word choice that they use in the Old Norse. Okay, he blinked. Haha, Svon, you're in.
01:23:50.980 Yeah, I'm here. I'm listening. I don't want it to come on or drop off and I'm, I don't know.
01:23:57.780 If it does, if it does, I'll pick it up because of these
01:24:01.380 archaic turns of phrase which i love by the way but when i'm trying to read it on the spot
01:24:08.340 it is i am embarrassingly choppy at it but i'm doing the best so uh did he really just freeze
01:24:15.940 again i shouldn't be frozen oh i just froze again it seems intentional at this point am i oh i'm back
01:24:31.380 All right, Spahn, before we tempt it any further, if you'd like to start on section 32.
01:24:39.060 Oh, this is frustrating.
01:24:43.700 Okay, one moment.
01:24:47.180 All right, 32. 0.98
01:24:50.500 The Kennings for the earth.
01:24:52.700 So there was a lot of lore spoken of the heavens, especially the kennings like the moon way and the way of the sun and the moon.
01:25:03.280 So a lot of these will give, and I'll try to go into them as swiftly as possible just because how inconsistent my internet's being right now.
01:25:12.500 How should we paraphrase the earth? Thus by calling her the flesh of Ymir and the mother of Thor.
01:25:22.700 Daughter of Onar, Odin's bride, co-wife of Frigg and Rindr and Gunlov, mother-in-law of Sif.
01:25:37.980 floor and bottom of the storm hall which is uh the middle world and technically the the sky
01:25:50.340 it is the floor and bottom of the storm hall so they gave you another um kenning of of the heavens
01:25:57.400 there the sea of beasts daughter of not uh night sister of other and of day even as ivan did scald
01:26:11.640 despoiler sang so destroyer of of other poets um ivan did now the beaming gold is hidden
01:26:21.320 in the body of the mother of the giant's foe the councils of a kindred strong and mighty
01:26:29.000 the the uh origins of lord thor from the earth lineage uh as saying half raider troubles
01:26:40.100 troublous scald in council it was determined that the king's friend wise in council should
01:26:49.280 wed the land sole daughter of onir greenly wooded now there is a direct reference to the king and
01:26:57.360 the land being one that in that poem it's it's not referring uh to the goddess specifically it is
01:27:07.200 stating that the king and the land are one um and he said further the ravens abode brave
01:27:18.880 ruler, got the broad-faced bride of Odin, the land, with kingly counsels of weapons lured unto
01:27:28.960 him. This is a point in which I bring up about Lord Thor being a product of the peace between
01:27:38.840 the cosmic gods and the gods of natural law in specifics this um stanza because his by his
01:27:50.180 joining with the earth the war is brought to an end as kinship is now made between them
01:27:59.260 and this is the the the councils of war if you will the strategy of ending the war and thus
01:28:06.740 creating the perfect union between the Vanir and the Aesir, and that being Lord Thor.
01:28:15.540 Even as Theodorfer sang, the ruler, glad and warriors, in the road hall doth fasten the ships
01:28:29.180 of men to stand to strands and at the head of the sea keels ridden so there the the strands end is
01:28:41.100 the beach end uh the place where the water is take or is taken over by the land is kind of how that's
01:28:48.140 ruffles so uh the sea kill star the strands end is the earth as half rather sang full loathe to
01:28:59.740 let the land slip i hold the lordly spear prince author sister is subjected to the splendid
01:29:08.060 treasure spender this is another reference directly saying the treasure spender is the king
01:29:14.460 and that the dispenser of treasure and that the land is subjected to his rule is what that's being
01:29:22.900 said in that um verse thus sang theodolfer far off the dark slow sluggard stood when the sword
01:29:35.040 inciter in ancient days took to him the unripe co-wife of rinder
01:29:43.600 directly referencing to the earth the austrian yard the mother of thor
01:29:51.760 uh the the reference to the slow dark slowed sluggard stood though i i believe that is a
01:29:57.920 another human in the poem that is being berated um yes so like a foul king took the land
01:30:10.400 um do you want me to press on it's like it's like a poetry reading roulette i do while we have you
01:30:17.840 but not really because we have a question okay um so not a monogamous all-father are we to take
01:30:25.360 anything from the relationships between the gods does this impact and also true stance on monogamy
01:30:32.160 um so yeah i want to say a couple of things on that
01:30:44.080 the lord teaches us by things we're familiar with and it paints pictures using similes
01:30:54.560 to our mortal understanding of how the world works
01:31:01.280 these are all divine truths don't get me wrong but it's taught to us in
01:31:08.960 um poetic language so that we understand it and i think that first should it affect the
01:31:16.800 our true stance on monogamy no not at all um i don't think that that's never presented
01:31:25.760 monogamy was a noted hallmark of our folk in tacitus time in a variety of different periods
01:31:34.960 of our history monogamy is typically the rule very rarely it is mentioned that
01:31:44.320 you know kings or great chieftains will have um multiple wives or a wife and like multiple consorts
01:31:57.200 usually to secure political alliances which makes a lot of sense and kind of makes sense
01:32:04.000 in this context as well if we want to extend the metaphor that far so people get really caught up
01:32:11.600 they think that the eddas are meant as like morality plays to get us to emulate the gods
01:32:20.640 not that there's not elements of that you can take in certain situations you can but it's not about
01:32:26.720 instructing us on what to emulate it's about instructing us on who the gods are and how they
01:32:34.640 interface with the bigger realities that we are faced with and how they interface with us so we
01:32:42.640 can understand them better um these different primal forces that odin is consuming children with
01:32:53.920 there's a lot more there than him oh this giantess looks pretty and then some kind of carnal um
01:33:03.680 flesh-on-flesh 1.00
01:33:07.260 sexual 0.98
01:33:10.020 copulance.
01:33:11.800 It's much more than that.
01:33:13.860 It's the pairing of
01:33:15.040 the god of
01:33:17.920 consciousness and
01:33:19.840 magic with
01:33:22.180 the
01:33:24.360 giants
01:33:26.200 of the earth
01:33:27.880 to create
01:33:29.060 you know, to create
01:33:31.440 of Thor or
01:33:32.820 of his relationship to
01:33:35.440 Linder. Again,
01:33:37.600 some of these giantesses that are forces 1.00
01:33:39.460 of primal 0.99
01:33:40.960 energies and primal
01:33:43.760 elements to
01:33:45.440 craft
01:33:47.480 divine beings
01:33:49.300 out of that substance.
01:33:51.300 How does a god make another
01:33:53.400 god? It's not through
01:33:55.420 it's not
01:33:59.480 through
01:34:00.160 fleshy organs interacting with one another in fluid exchange that's not how that works
01:34:10.560 it's divine forces combining to create divinity beyond our comprehension and i think that extends
01:34:19.880 the metaphor too hard so no i don't think it affects our stance on monogamy at all
01:34:25.600 I would say this, you know, there's a variety of things throughout time, and I don't want to become overly prudish on these things, but that was never the way that was common or natural to our folk.
01:34:43.320 that wasn't the understanding of union between men and women and whatever the variety of circumstance
01:34:52.120 of sexual liaisons or whatever the sanctity of having a wife and having a marriage relationship
01:35:02.280 was always very important and notably so certainly in antiquity tacitus was very impressed by that
01:35:10.680 as were other writers as they interacted with with our folk doing this in a germanic lens
01:35:19.000 so no i don't think that really alters things but i do think
01:35:24.360 i know that some people get in their mind that it is instructive we're supposed to emulate the gods
01:35:30.920 that's the case we're supposed to learn from the gods we're supposed to learn lessons that they
01:35:35.800 impart to us but we're not gods we're not shaping divinity from primal forces and primal
01:35:49.400 no we're people and we have relationships with other people here in the world around us and
01:35:55.880 conforming and not being odious to the society that we live in and i think that's very important
01:36:01.960 to uh be aware of and keep in mind um respond you have any more to add on that particular thing
01:36:09.320 yeah i think it's directionality uh abrahamic faiths uh make a great attempt at both uh
01:36:17.320 humanizing the god of the judeans and making mankind godly um
01:36:24.600 or at least for one. And then the understanding that all, pretty much every Aryan polytheistic 0.85
01:36:35.020 branch is that the gods, the directionality is that they are the gods of the cosmos and we
01:36:42.360 make them and frame them in ways like us to understand them. Or better yet, when the stories
01:36:50.740 were given to us they were framed in a way that we could understand but that directionality is
01:36:58.740 really important if we wanted to look at it at face value we could say okay he's not monogamous
01:37:06.580 but he's also not a singular male being making things making creation all by himself which we know
01:37:14.500 doesn't work but what does it represent is that I think our ancestors knew that when Lord Odin
01:37:24.460 copulated with the earth it wasn't a woman and it wasn't in a physical fashion this is
01:37:30.040 the god of the sky copulating with the earth to end the great war between them that isn't
01:37:40.000 actually a war with bows and arrows or clubs and spears or even uh howitzers and tanks now um
01:37:49.760 our ancestors understood that this was grander but it was placed in that context to speak and to cut
01:37:58.560 through a lot of the din of the hyper theoretical theological so i think that's one of the most
01:38:09.200 important things is that lord odin is unionizing with other great dominioned forces of non-biological
01:38:19.280 willful being beings and it gets very mouthy if we have to constantly uh kind of frame all of that
01:38:26.720 that produces forward more elements in the universe instead of just simply uh he uh willed it
01:38:37.760 um don't get me wrong here uh odin is a god of passion and emotions and ecstasy and i don't
01:38:47.620 i don't want to overly sanitize it as if there weren't a sexual component to it
01:38:53.900 but i think that's understood very different in terms of a king's
01:39:01.920 court and that kind of a political alliance marriage situation than it is viking dude down
01:39:11.220 the road that's got like three wives that's just not how that worked that wasn't a social norm
01:39:17.040 in that day and age you know depending upon where and again we talked earlier in the show about the
01:39:25.360 long stretch of time these uh stories were made over that would be very uncommon in a um northern
01:39:34.000 european uh early medieval court but in a migration age court like you know attila the hun had
01:39:42.160 some huge number of wives because he would take a wife from every tribe that he would conquer as a
01:39:47.600 political alliance to secure their fidelity so it's it's real different in that sense and again
01:39:54.240 this isn't you know some kind of advice and have them all like you should go out and get a bunch of
01:40:00.560 women it's not that this is clearly written for you to understand
01:40:09.680 um alliances doesn't quite say it the uh the melding of primal forces to produce
01:40:17.440 new gods. And that's kind of something amazing to wonder at, just in general, is the idea of
01:40:27.760 primal gods and elemental giants combining to create new gods. It in and of itself is
01:40:38.900 mind-blowing to us. Something else to kind of just think about as we
01:40:43.900 as we contemplate some of these things these are true they are divinely true they tell us
01:40:53.400 truths they all convey truth but they paint it with a viking coat of paint
01:40:59.280 because they were conceived of or standardized in the viking age
01:41:05.320 thousand years earlier they would have been in a um more migration period coat of paint
01:41:14.780 before that in a more step warrior coated understanding of what's what and how things
01:41:24.160 work the reality of it these aren't big vikings in wooden halls you know eating the flesh of of pigs
01:41:39.600 but this gives us an understanding of the feel or the the vibe as the kids would say
01:41:46.320 um so we do a disservice when we try to
01:41:55.120 overly become myopic on the imagery instead of the bigger meaning it's easy to get distracted
01:42:02.160 that way when we're in a society that like no these are the words of allah or you get
01:42:08.720 no these are the exact words of your way or else we'll burn you at the stake that's what
01:42:16.160 our society has been marinating in for a very long time so we all have to you know challenge
01:42:26.240 ourselves to go beyond that to look for the the deeper things this teaches us about the gods
01:42:33.280 but that said spawn while we while we have you uh if you would go into number 33
01:42:42.560 kennings for the sea all right kennings for the sea how should one paraphrase the sea
01:42:53.000 thus by calling it emir's blood visitor of the gods and and i looked at this this is um
01:43:02.400 the visitation of the gods the gods go to the ocean um so i think that's an interesting
01:43:09.820 kind of misnomer the way they translated that husband of raun father of ayer's daughters
01:43:18.780 so we are speaking directly of ayer and it blows a lot of people away because again they're coming
01:43:25.980 from abrahamic faith where um the gods are humanized and they're literal um and the titles
01:43:34.380 don't mean anything and then they'll oh who is the god of this who is the god of that who is
01:43:39.260 the god of this oh i thought nyorder was the god of the ocean it's like the primordial forces that
01:43:48.300 the gods have dominion over it is the direct link between the folk and the water and the
01:43:57.740 i'd like to point out a distinction too that i had apologize i interrupted you there i didn't need to
01:44:02.780 One of the things that is, there is very often a God with dominion over controlled, beneficial elements of nature and a Jotun in charge of or with dominion over the wild and dangerous type of nature.
01:44:32.780 like there's the woods in the sense of your hunting preserve or your sacred grove and
01:44:41.980 there's the scary deep dark woods where trolls and wolves and bears and you know go back far
01:44:52.860 enough cave bears and crazy stuff lives that's dangerous to you there's the rolling hillside
01:45:00.620 and then there's the cold uh treacherous mountains there's pleasant winds and then there's the storm
01:45:11.180 um there's you know the pleasant coastal waters and rivers and good fishing grounds that are well
01:45:19.260 known to you and then there's the deep terrifying ocean where monsters and death lives
01:45:25.900 yeah if i uh you know i was explaining this um at thorshoff just recently where uh lord north
01:45:37.740 is and has always been a god of prosperity and the river is a prime uh threshold of that
01:45:48.540 prosperity same with the estuaries same with the beaches same with all of that that represents but
01:45:54.380 But yet also his son is the proliferator of the herd of the wild and of all things that any culture that's built around animal husbandry, that is a huge form of prosperity.
01:46:11.800 And then his daughter is that of beauty and is often associated with the gold, with gems, and with all things that are constructed or made with that inspiration and that divine connectivity.
01:46:28.800 And it brings in a prosperity, oftentimes hard to quantify, but that art, that beauty, that possession emulates from her.
01:46:38.800 So there's this kind of even more condensing of prosperity as things go.
01:46:46.000 But when you go out into the middle where there is no prosperity, where there is a variable food desert in the ocean and if the whims are there, the gods are not intimately connected to it because the folk are not in that sphere as well.
01:47:06.920 And the gods then have a whole story about them bringing a kettle to contain that primordial place and bring it under their dominion in the story of the cauldron that they bring to Eir, and then they go to his hall.
01:47:24.180 Um, so that, that symbolic, uh, stories, the stories and the titlings are all so very, very important to seeing how the gods are, um, exuding their dominion in areas, uh, particularly with the intention of helping the folk.
01:47:44.180 And then where the folk are not, there is this Jotun who is brought under dominion and brought into oath with the gods, not as out of fun or loyalty, but out of a kind of obligational relationship.
01:48:04.260 And then the gods go there. And that is their dominion coming into the primordial blood of Ymir and making sure that they have their presence there. And again, it's not a literal feast and it's not a literal diving bell or something of that nature. 0.82
01:48:22.300 it is clearly that all of these motions in the stories have a great point when you kind of look
01:48:29.940 at their interconnectivity. The blood is Ymir's blood. And we see it in the physical world.
01:48:35.400 There are things in the ocean that are of times long before the gods shaped the world. And you
01:48:43.640 can see that. And so their dominion there is about more or less keeping that in check, not
01:48:51.940 replacing it, if you will, again. And I think that's deeply connected because the gods do have
01:48:58.880 a vested interest in our soul, in our being, in that which we create. So it goes into some very
01:49:10.040 interesting things and i just wanted to preface it before i went into it is is um the uh the usage
01:49:17.800 of the nine three six and nine in all aryan branches in relation to the daughters of water
01:49:25.960 there's a mention of neither having nine daughters or the nine udines of the rhine and then there are
01:49:32.680 the nine daughters of the deep waters that are going to be mentioned um really cool stuff but
01:49:39.240 again it's it's the nine waves and that water having nine is very very significant but does
01:49:49.240 not mean that the nine daughters of my order and the nine daughters of ayer and the nine mothers
01:49:55.080 of heim dollar are all the same it is the number nine or the nine waves is what significant is
01:50:03.160 significant of their presence as being spirits of water whether they are the primordial from
01:50:12.440 emir or whether they are connected to the dominion of the gods is more important
01:50:17.800 especially in our relationship to them so uh he is the husband of raun the father of
01:50:27.240 ayer's daughters of them who are called hymning leather duva blow the haada uh hevring a blood in
01:50:38.280 the blood in the hair hevring either not the same but of the nornir but again i believe this is
01:50:48.360 poetically referencing to the ancientness of the ocean from emir's blood is kind of that origin
01:50:56.280 point of the the material world chron uh bilja bauda um again that one's significant to me um
01:51:09.400 family member named that and it means the crashing loud waves um it is the land of round
01:51:18.120 and of ayers daughters of ships and of ships names of the of the keel of the beaks of the
01:51:25.800 planks of the seams so this part here is simply stating land of the keel land of the the beaks
01:51:34.760 is the prow of the ship land of the planks so stating over and over and over again that the
01:51:41.960 the poet can say the warriors took
01:51:55.800 Testing, testing, Smaon!
01:52:05.440 Well, that's frustrating.
01:52:16.500 He was in the midst of something, so I'm trying to give him a second to get back in action.
01:52:25.800 It's a good thing reading out loud in front of people
01:52:28.140 is your favorite thing to do.
01:52:30.140 It is not my favorite thing to do at all.
01:52:34.400 Yeah, I often get the feeling you're that kid in school
01:52:37.540 that you didn't like it when the teacher called on you
01:52:40.220 for a reading class.
01:52:42.220 I don't.
01:52:43.420 I was doing okay when we were doing
01:52:45.680 Baguio's Saga.
01:52:51.300 Last year or the year before, I was doing good on that.
01:52:55.800 This is a little bit more tricky to read out loud.
01:53:00.800 I'm quite a fan of Bellows, so I enjoy it.
01:53:04.060 Where did Svon leave us off at?
01:53:07.340 You've got to ask somebody else.
01:53:10.440 The Warriors did something.
01:53:13.100 Yeah, he was going on a thing there.
01:53:15.560 sorry y'all we're just enjoying
01:53:24.440 the ambiance
01:53:26.540 of him reading same as y'all
01:53:28.100 we're not following along either
01:53:29.800 no I either but I was more
01:53:32.180 following along his
01:53:33.760 you know dissertation about
01:53:35.840 Ayur and
01:53:36.920 and where exactly
01:53:41.980 it cut off
01:53:43.680 what's danger was he on he's in the kennings for the sea i'm just trying to figure out where in it
01:53:54.000 He stopped.
01:54:10.400 All right, so there is, all right, so he is not present,
01:54:19.240 so I will get back to it.
01:54:21.420 I'm just going to start fresh.
01:54:24.000 How should one paraphrase the sea?
01:54:31.380 Thus, by calling it Ymir's blood, visitor of the gods, husband of Raun, father of Ayadr's daughters, of them who are called Heminglaiva, Dufa, Bludagara.
01:54:54.000 Heffering, Utter, Hron, Biljah, Baurah, Kolga, land of Raun and of Ayur's daughters, of ships and of ships' names, of keel, of beaks, of planks and stems, of fishes, of ice, way and road of sea kings.
01:55:24.000 likewise in circular of islands house of sands and of kelp and of roofs land of fishing gear
01:55:33.760 of sea fowls and of fair wind even as ormer bodies scald and sang on the gravely beach
01:55:45.040 oh sorry my little scrolling wheel locked up
01:55:49.040 On gravelly beach of good ships grates the blood of Ymir, as Reffer sang, the mild deer of the masthead beareth, or the murky water from the westward, her wave-pressed boughs, the land I look for before the beak, the whale home swallows,
01:56:17.260 even as Stannis sang.
01:56:20.800 When the fallow fell walls whirlwinds,
01:56:26.680 wove o'er the waves full fiercely, 1.00
01:56:30.280 and Iger's storm-glad daughters tore
01:56:33.700 of grim frost begotten.
01:56:37.180 And Raffer sang, 0.91
01:56:40.220 Gimir's wet-cold spy wife 0.88
01:56:44.880 whiles the bear of twisted cables off into Igetar's wide box, where the angry billow breaketh. 0.65
01:56:55.980 It is said here that Eyiv and Yimear are both the same, and he sang further.
01:57:04.020 And the sea peaks slick near slitheth, the stormy breast rain driven, the wave with red stain running out of white brown's mouth.
01:57:20.100 As Einar Skullison sang, the stern snow wind had thrust out with strength the ship from landward.
01:57:34.020 The swan's land's steed sees Iceland into the surf receding.
01:57:41.020 And as he sang further,
01:57:43.320 Many a stiff rowlock straineth, and the noisy strand of fishgear,
01:57:48.640 The sea, the land, o'ercometh.
01:57:52.540 Men's hands oft span the stays.
01:57:56.660 And he sang it further,
01:57:58.760 The grey isle fetter urges, 0.99
01:58:01.860 Haiti's raven ship 0.59
01:58:04.680 honor
01:58:05.140 gold beaks the fleet
01:58:08.540 ships carry
01:58:09.420 rich that faring to 0.80
01:58:12.220 the cheap thing
01:58:13.140 and he sang again
01:58:15.200 the Iorim autumn
01:58:18.100 chilly impels the
01:58:20.200 dock's cold snowshoe
01:58:22.080 and thus
01:58:24.140 also the cool
01:58:25.980 lands surging girl
01:58:27.680 before the beaks 0.75
01:58:30.040 springs asunder. And Snybjorn sang. They say nine brides of scaries swiftly move the sea churn
01:58:42.040 of Groti's island flower bin beyond the earth's last outskirt. They who long the corn ale ground 0.91
01:58:52.040 ground of Amlothi, the giver of rings now cuts with ship's beak the abiding places of boatsides.
01:59:04.840 Here the sea is called Amlothi's churn, as Einar Skullason sang.
01:59:11.640 The sturdy drive-nails weaken in the swift swirl, where paleth Rakhne's heaving pain, wind puffs the reefs against the stakes.
01:59:31.640 Svan, have you returned to us?
01:59:33.640 his picture is up
01:59:37.280 his picture is up
01:59:42.020 yet low he is not with us
01:59:43.780 it was funny because I heard him typing
01:59:45.640 and then you asked for him
01:59:46.960 yes
01:59:48.680 it's comical
01:59:52.080 this evening but that's okay
01:59:53.260 we'll keep going with it
02:00:03.640 All right.
02:00:06.760 Solarkinninger, kinnings for the sun.
02:00:11.720 How should one paraphrase the sun?
02:00:14.860 By calling her daughter of Mundelfari, sister of the moon, wife of Glendr, fire of heaven and of the air.
02:00:28.580 Even as Skulli Thorstainson sang,
02:00:36.880 Glynnar's battle-life bedmate wadeth into the goddess's mansion.
02:00:45.000 With rays, then the good light cometh of grey-sarked mani downward.
02:00:54.380 Thus sang Einar Skullison,
02:00:58.580 Whereso the lofty flickering flame of the world's hall swimmeth,
02:01:04.380 or our loved friend who hath and lavisheth the sea gold.
02:01:19.280 I'll keep checking back in in case we miss questions.
02:01:23.600 Don't think it's a big question night.
02:01:26.180 Vince
02:01:34.140 Kennings
02:01:34.860 for the wind
02:01:37.140 how should the wind be paraphrased
02:01:40.020 thus
02:01:41.860 call it
02:01:43.720 son of Fornjöper 0.93
02:01:45.760 brother of the sea
02:01:48.100 and of fire
02:01:49.120 scathe or ruin or hound
02:01:52.260 or wolf of the wood
02:01:53.900 or of the sail
02:01:55.200 or of the rigging.
02:01:57.500 Thus spake
02:01:58.180 Svein
02:01:59.900 in the
02:02:01.260 Norther
02:02:04.000 Setu Draupa.
02:02:07.680 First begin to fly
02:02:09.300 Fornjothr's
02:02:11.200 suns ill-shapen.
02:02:17.200 Svein is trying to return
02:02:18.860 and doing strange camera things.
02:02:21.500 I had to switch over to my phone.
02:02:24.820 Maybe this will help us.
02:02:28.960 Oh, we have a question.
02:02:30.440 A question has emerged.
02:02:32.340 Just in time for Spawn to not have to read.
02:02:34.860 See how it is.
02:02:37.860 And on the one episode,
02:02:39.660 will I bring out like a ton of it
02:02:41.520 to answer that question with?
02:02:44.060 No, it's all good.
02:02:46.860 I was wanting to ask,
02:02:49.200 what do we as folk view AI?
02:02:53.900 So, I don't think it's one thing, I think, I think it is a avenue of technology and I
02:03:23.600 I don't, so it's hard to say, right?
02:03:31.820 And I want to be very careful because like any other technological tool,
02:03:38.920 there are advantages and there are disadvantages, but one thing is true
02:03:45.800 in the course of history and you know, our people have always been
02:03:53.340 at the forefront of technology very nature of our folk as the creative folk we are the the
02:04:02.540 the folk on this this earth who innovate who create and who seek new horizons who
02:04:11.340 dream new things and implement new tools to achieve those things um
02:04:16.860 We could debate whether it's a good idea or not a good idea, but if it exists, it's here, it is moving, and once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put it back in.
02:04:33.860 there will be A.I.
02:04:39.260 Other 0.99
02:04:39.900 inhabitants of the
02:04:43.780 earth will have A.I.
02:04:46.060 Whether we do or whether we don't, whether we use it or whether we
02:04:49.760 don't, it exists, it's out there, and it does things.
02:04:54.800 I think it has always been the position of our people
02:04:57.580 to make
02:04:58.180 fruitful and
02:05:03.240 noble use of the technology that is available to us to achieve glorious things for our folk,
02:05:13.300 for our gods, and for our future. And I think there are a lot of advantages that AI offers
02:05:20.360 to accomplish those things. I think that we all know there's lots of concerns and fears
02:05:29.800 that AI opens up to, and I don't want to diminish that at all.
02:05:33.720 This isn't a pro-AI or a con on AI.
02:05:38.060 AI exists, and I think we would be silly not to make use of it.
02:05:46.320 And so I think that the position is to absolutely make good
02:05:52.260 and responsible use of it.
02:05:53.940 but I think within that there is a vast spectrum of how much you would like to use it and how much
02:06:02.900 you wouldn't. It helps lots of things. At the basic level, it is the much better version of
02:06:11.020 Google. It gives you much better and more intuitive answers to questions. It makes pretty
02:06:16.820 graphics on stuff and that's cool it's able to ascertain you know a couple of so some good things
02:06:26.000 it helps a lot with translating stuff it is really helping me trying to
02:06:31.500 improve and learn old norse things and do translation things because it's able to access
02:06:39.800 that really quick and really good in a lot of neat ways. It's able to put together information
02:06:46.860 to give advice on ways to do stuff and ways, suggestions on things that I wouldn't have
02:06:53.960 suggestions on otherwise, which is cool. It's certainly up to us to have the agency to
02:07:02.700 not just implement what it tells us, but to think and examine the advice it gives us or the
02:07:08.920 suggestions it gives us, but there's a lot of cool things to be done with it, and I think
02:07:13.240 that will continue as it develops. I mean, again, along with all of the scary things,
02:07:21.380 there's a lot of very beneficial things with it as well that it's already yielding,
02:07:26.020 which I think is useful. And another note I'll make on it before I hand over the spawn,
02:07:30.360 um one thing that has been ever present in modern house of truth certainly was a big
02:07:41.340 um interest of our founder steve mcnalen and something that uh a lot of people may not know
02:07:48.960 this original house true free assembly all things and gatherings were often ceremonially started by
02:07:57.180 a rocket launch they'd get one of those little chemical rockets that would go up i don't know
02:08:02.360 if it had a little parachute guy in it or not but they would get the little you know the amateur
02:08:07.180 rocketry and launch up rockets and things the idea of space exploration is the next you know
02:08:15.080 the next distant horizon for our folk to explore has always been aspirational and i think ai is
02:08:24.920 very important to space endeavors if not essential to interstellar endeavors and it's something to
02:08:35.940 just kind of think on it we have these two currents within australia that are often at odds between
02:08:42.280 you know people wanting to have a more anachronistic lifestyle but also wanting to
02:08:48.260 accomplish cool technological
02:08:51.220 things and you can't travel to
02:08:53.160 Alpha Centauri on a steampunk
02:08:55.200 spaceship, it doesn't
02:08:56.420 that's not really a thing
02:08:58.900 but
02:09:00.940 yeah, it does, it can do a lot of cool things
02:09:07.320 and open a lot of doors, but I would say
02:09:08.920 because a little follow-up thing
02:09:10.640 is, okay, I've not thought about
02:09:14.960 using it to learn about the lore
02:09:16.900 and stuff i've just heard a lot of norse pagan music made from ai and that's why i was asking
02:09:23.700 there are people that really like that and it serves as an outlet for people
02:09:27.620 who don't have access to a band or instruments or things to express themselves creatively
02:09:35.140 i don't like ai music myself i don't like
02:09:44.200 when i say this this is very nuanced and this isn't a slap at anybody
02:09:50.540 i don't mind ai fun i don't mind ai graphics but i don't like ai art and that may just be
02:10:03.840 strange nuance thing if you are a graphic designer you may be personally affronted by what i just
02:10:09.520 said i don't mean it that way there is art that is a beautiful expression of the soul
02:10:16.000 and of higher truths and of like deep meaning and stuff i don't like that being ai driven
02:10:27.520 and maybe that's just me being stuck in modes of the past i don't know
02:10:30.880 whereas I think it's entirely different if it's like a flyer for something or a fun jingle for
02:10:38.520 something or like hey let's come up with some video game music or something I think that's fine
02:10:44.560 if it were a devotional hymn or some of those things I think need to come very
02:10:52.080 deeply from human experience and from human inspiration
02:10:56.680 and i know that sometimes people use ai as a tool to hone that it's just not something that
02:11:03.920 i'm particularly comfortable with when ai is doing the creativity on something that's meant
02:11:11.780 as an expression of the soul but that may be that may be some of my own preference and not
02:11:18.960 necessarily AFA, you know, writ.
02:11:22.860 Svahn, what are your thoughts on that?
02:11:28.820 Yeah, this is an interesting question because it's going into territory
02:11:33.920 that's not so cleanly written out, but I've had some musings and thoughts on this.
02:11:41.920 One is, I think the reason why AI is scary to people
02:11:49.200 is because it sits in two camps at the same time what i mean by this is this is very similar to 0.72
02:11:58.080 when flight was made possible uh when the wright brothers figured out the way to make flight
02:12:07.040 accessible but it wasn't accessible to everyone the sky wasn't immediately filled with their
02:12:11.760 airplanes uh the production there was uh cordoned by people who could produce it and then if you
02:12:19.280 look at air flight whether you're the negative being war or um the ability to you know distance
02:12:27.920 oneself from war while in war or uh traveling the positive side being traveling and interconnectivity
02:12:36.000 allowing people to move about um in such a rapid pace that no one ever thought of
02:12:43.440 so there's good and bad that produces from all of these plastics is another one plastics changed
02:12:50.800 everything on the bad the pollution on the good medicine and the ability to heal people
02:12:58.160 um specifically connected to plastics has um been so significant that you you know to deny the
02:13:08.460 positives is just a uh an eschewed view ai fits in this same point but the access to it by
02:13:20.200 anyone is I think one of the scarier points of it and yet it is not accessible to everyone when
02:13:29.540 it comes to creating the engine and so that too is also scary so I think a lot of the trepidation
02:13:36.660 that comes around this tool is that in one hand it's available to anyone for their whims and
02:13:44.040 desires to create, to kind of bulldoze over people who are creating with music and art and things
02:13:51.520 like, and now anyone can do it. And then on the other hand, you have these tech giants that are
02:13:56.400 able to create because they have all of this money. Google was able to create the search engine
02:14:01.420 because it's Google and the billion dollar corporation or what have you. And so when
02:14:08.720 people look at these too they see very negative points on both sides of it and there's no
02:14:16.320 temperance like with the airplane and with plastic um however we should look at some of the positives
02:14:25.360 because it is very easy for us in this day and age to look at the negatives information
02:14:31.760 the ability to access it as you had mentioned i was here go with the languages and translational
02:14:37.280 languages. So now communication is opening up to where you can see something and immediately
02:14:42.980 translate it or have it translated, I mean, for you. And I think that has a huge benefit.
02:14:49.480 The other thing is, I think that there's an unseen benefit, much like how
02:14:54.360 when you think of markets and money, money sometimes when it becomes
02:15:02.720 relative, subjective, some would argue worthless in relation that it can be printed on demand
02:15:10.060 and so on and so forth. There is an appreciation, I think, achieved in trading and creating things
02:15:19.120 and then moving them about. I think like this, there is going to be a heavy emphasis on,
02:15:28.000 Oh, no, this was made by people. And that might actually make its value more intrinsic. And I think because so many people can create whatever they wish, as it goes, the stuff that is actually created by people is going to be held in higher value.
02:15:47.640 and that's just me being positive i could say oh no it's just gonna overwash everyone and we won't
02:15:55.540 even be able to tell but we adapt and i think you know talking to my kids and oh no that's ai this
02:16:03.600 is ai they know when it is and when it isn't far better than even me and that's me kind of like
02:16:09.440 slipping on the am i am i the boomer now um but we adapt and i think that there is positive and
02:16:19.440 negatives with everything trying to find those silver linings i remember during covet and we
02:16:24.800 were talking about the lockdowns and everything so on and so forth but yet it was the first time
02:16:29.040 i'd ever been to a park and i saw whole families together um spending time together and seeing that
02:16:36.560 knowing yes there is the negative but there are positives that could be had and where is
02:16:41.520 the dividing line i think it is in the pursuance of being noble which is our faith our faith is
02:16:51.760 to pursue nobility and as we move forward with this new tool we should consistently ask ourselves
02:17:00.560 is this noble and i think that's why your nuanced difference between say art and stock image for
02:17:09.920 things to utilize it doesn't uh take away from the art it makes it i think more important but
02:17:21.120 we have to consistently water those roots and ensure that we are attempting to move forward
02:17:28.000 with nobility now when we talk about the the third or say the elephant in the room because i
02:17:33.200 was talking about one way or the other um is that what if ai and sentience and um the threat of ai
02:17:40.960 and you've got all of these people in technology saying oh you know i quit and um it's a it's a
02:17:47.520 countdown and all of these things uh this i think is the relationship between humanity
02:17:56.080 and that which we have created and we oftentimes like many people just automatically hate the
02:18:02.960 country they're in because they've been propagandized to believe that i think very much
02:18:08.480 so the negative side is we automatically think that humanity is going to lose and that humanity
02:18:14.960 is not good and will be um hurt or usurped or what whatever that might be because we are so
02:18:24.720 oftentimes beaten down by all of the propaganda that we forget that the the capabilities of what
02:18:31.440 humanity can do and i choose to believe that in this interaction in this relationship um
02:18:41.200 humanity is capable of dealing with uh any of those kind of very horizontal dangers um
02:18:52.800 simply as i because we have proven it time and time again of our capability to do so and again
02:19:00.240 one of the i think the most noble things is to never let the light dim out so i refuse to believe
02:19:06.000 that humanity is just completely lost completely dead and that ai is is going to get over one on us
02:19:16.000 no despite any sense of doom the gods know there is the glimmer of there is the hope there is the
02:19:25.040 skein of light and i feel that that should be applied to most everything including this situation
02:19:32.640 but it is uh an interesting thing i think that everyone should ruminate on it but i encourage
02:19:37.920 everyone to always look at the negative the positive and then always strive forward upward
02:19:43.600 and build towards the noble usage of whatever tools are in our hands
02:19:56.960 all right um a couple of questions
02:20:02.000 swan what's your favorite australia holiday
02:20:08.320 that is a tough one um
02:20:13.600 i'm gonna go with yule yule is my favorite midwinter apex of the winter the turning of the
02:20:22.640 year um the 12 nights all of it and it's also special because it's one of those holy tides
02:20:31.840 where i can be completely ausitru but yet my fellow folk around me who are not ausitru
02:20:41.280 um can be somewhat included and they get to experience it and it they understand it
02:20:49.920 every every family member that i've ever had that experienced it with me suddenly understood
02:20:57.920 why uh i am house a true and that there is a beauty in that that even though i love say
02:21:05.280 house bloat where we get to fight and wear the masks and it's all fun and uh or uh ostra when
02:21:13.680 you know she opens the gates and we celebrate with the children and we think about their futures
02:21:20.800 um those are all very either isolated in the in the community or conceptual of the future but
02:21:29.680 yule is so uniquely all of that uh that it's my favorite holy time
02:21:37.440 all right what also true spiritual or religious practice do you find most meaningful
02:21:43.520 oh i mean the bloat uh the uh right out right out of the gate the bloat is our relationship to think
02:21:56.360 when we are doing bloat and we are enacting the traditions of our ancestors and the relationship
02:22:04.020 that they have had with the gods who are the dominion over so much of our world and have
02:22:12.320 shaped our world with us in mind and our relationship all of that is so
02:22:19.920 extremely powerful bloat is uniquely the one tradition of our faith that supersedes whether
02:22:30.240 it's nordic or uh migration era or bronze era it's been ever present all the way through and
02:22:38.560 And it's what defines our expression of faith.
02:22:42.420 And I mean that as the folk, the Aryan folk,
02:22:47.540 is that it is that exchange, that relationship, that sharing.
02:22:52.020 Other peoples all over the world have had different forms
02:22:55.340 and you can tell the difference,
02:22:58.060 whether it's like the total consumption
02:22:59.840 and they're just burning things off
02:23:02.480 or giving total supplication.
02:23:05.640 Whereas we have this unified relationship
02:23:09.400 where we expose our true selves to the gods
02:23:13.380 and we ask the gods to bear witness to us
02:23:16.160 and that we ask them to grow stronger with us.
02:23:19.180 And even when our communion together is not,
02:23:23.820 say, new folk coming into it,
02:23:26.700 there is something so ingrained in us,
02:23:31.700 Ingrained in us so much so that I believe Christianity that, you know, fomented itself in Europe picked up a lot of these things, made the last supper, which was Passover. 0.75
02:23:44.840 That's what the rabbi Yeshua was celebrating. They turned it into the bloat. They turned it into the communion because it was so deeply ingrained in the European soul as building relationship that that's why they focused in on Passover, made it the Last Supper, made it about the Eucharist, 0.96
02:24:10.760 made it about blood and and bread and or the flesh and and and the wine um and what have you
02:24:17.060 that exchange is so innately deep in our folk that when they come to Ausatru and we do it and
02:24:25.300 they might not know all the minutia of a bloat they might not fully understand all the things
02:24:29.940 even being said by the Gothar they do know that once they sup from the mead that is given to them
02:24:37.600 by the gods it is a gift it is an exchange it is um they have given up and then they uh receive
02:24:46.800 and then the hopes that they're worthy of it and and when they are uh besprinkled by the mead or
02:24:53.840 they're anointed by the mead and then they go forth from there carrying that with them it refocuses
02:25:00.320 them it re-hones them so coming out of that exchange is this developmental state of mind
02:25:08.400 and that all doesn't just come about from smoke and mirrors and and uh you know all these different
02:25:16.240 kind of moving parts and flash and and what have you no that's that is primal in our blood as to
02:25:24.080 why we feel it is a true exchange between the divine and the mortal and why it's important so bloat
02:25:36.240 all right swan how has learning germanic languages deepened your religious faith
02:25:44.880 oh um so i think it would start out with the fact that english was not my first language
02:25:52.320 and i began to study english and i i loved it i loved its creation and and then of course its
02:26:00.640 history it was actually the anglo-saxon uh futhor used by jrl tolkien when i was very young kind of
02:26:11.520 sneaking into my dad's uh well he didn't have a library but he had shelves um and i would sneak
02:26:19.200 his books and and read them and see the pictures and see the runes and they they drew me in um and
02:26:27.600 then it it really made me understand the interconnectivity and i was aghast when uh there
02:26:35.360 were um scholars saying oh you know uh woden of the anglo-saxons is different than oh then those
02:26:42.320 are two separate gods and i it was like getting smacked in the face the the ludicrous nature of
02:26:48.800 it because the language is so intertwined i was watching one of the shorts um from
02:26:55.840 uh our church on youtube and we were talking uh you were talking about the scandinavians and how
02:27:02.320 they kind of view outside through a strictly scandinavian thing and um somebody commented
02:27:09.120 um tuesday wednesday thursday and i was like yes that's so true is is tuesday wednesday thursday
02:27:17.360 is that interconnectedness that right out the gate shows it's not strictly scandinavian
02:27:24.000 that our languages are so deeply intertwined our genetics are so deeply intertwined um you had said
02:27:30.880 in that video that we are distant from our ancestors as much as they are through the
02:27:37.360 generations that there's not like they're closer somehow genetically than us is is that these
02:27:44.960 generations being born and we are so interconnected but language is the tangible point and um
02:27:54.720 our ancestors holding an oral tradition built many positive things with the oral tradition
02:28:02.240 but the negative i think is that um we were far too late to place things down
02:28:09.280 the lack of paper uh the lack of the technology at the time but we eventually excelled in that
02:28:17.500 but by that time you know we're printing uh the books of another people from the middle east at
02:28:25.920 that time and uh we were far too late but we can't lie to people and say oh you know christianity is
02:28:33.680 so bad. It is because of Christianity that we have the Gothic language. Uphilas having it written
02:28:41.460 down, the book of Matthew, is the reason why we know what Gothic looks like. Our ancestors,
02:28:52.720 if I was to, and I would say this reverently, but I believe it was a mistake. And I would think
02:28:58.800 that our ancestors would probably agree but we should have grasped the written language
02:29:06.800 but again our ancestors in the placement of action and of breath of speaking was so important
02:29:15.540 that i you know i i don't necessarily fault them i understand it um but language is what
02:29:23.460 shows our interconnection our interconnection of ideas our interconnection and allows us
02:29:28.480 to speculate even beyond um you know could uh indra of the vedic people be thor um and so on
02:29:40.480 and so forth we we can speculate that through language and the ability to read these stories
02:29:46.240 all right so my favorite house true holiday
02:29:55.920 is you i'd have to it just is it's that time of year i think we all feel that it's all of
02:30:07.280 It's all of the things that so many of us love about Christmas without the manger and the wise men.
02:30:22.240 Yeah, the Zoroastrian priests. 0.62
02:30:25.440 Yeah, the magi. 0.97
02:30:27.180 I mean, that's Aryan pagan magic, I guess, in a distant form.
02:30:37.280 no realistically though most of the and it's an important connectivity i think a lot of people
02:30:45.100 define paganism as some kind of other and it's not that it's the heart of how we do a lot of
02:30:55.500 things that kind of shape our soul and who we are when you stop and this was an important point to
02:31:03.040 me when I came home to Ausatru. The cool things about Christmas that are cultural touchstones,
02:31:15.120 the tree and the evergreen decorations and the wreaths and the reindeer and the gift
02:31:23.480 giving amongst family and all of those things. And I'll say this because of this. I, before
02:31:31.280 Before I came home to Alcitru, for a few years, I was Jehovah's Witness.
02:31:36.520 And they did something awful, but very helpful. 1.00
02:31:45.280 They tried to de-paganize Christianity, and so they don't celebrate holidays because that's 0.95
02:31:53.040 idolatry.
02:31:54.040 They don't do any of those things. 0.81
02:31:57.320 They take all of the paganism out of their Christianity and you see the very stark contrast 0.69
02:32:04.320 on what things are actually biblical and what things are pagan elements of our folk soul. 0.67
02:32:11.220 What elements of what most people take for Christian observance is actually Alcitrant.
02:32:17.440 things that we all love around you know Yule time are Aryan things and not not Jewish things and I
02:32:31.300 mean you you may come from a very very Christian background where there was a lot of midnight mass
02:32:37.000 and a lot of major and baby Jesus but for a great number of us that was always kind of an afterthought
02:32:46.660 and that's not something that was celebrated so all those little touchstones you can still
02:32:52.060 appreciate in a yule context but with all of the richness of bringing in the gods and celebrating
02:33:00.120 the ancestors unabashedly and proudly and not worrying about idolatry you know those kind of
02:33:09.540 things you're able to fully immerse yourself in that time of year it's beautiful um as far as
02:33:17.940 what religious practice i find most meaningful if it's in a really broad sense i'm sure bloat but um
02:33:26.180 very specifically and coming up this month is a decent boat the de-sear bloat at better niter
02:33:35.620 is where i've had some of my most profound and soul-touching uh experiences and i've related
02:33:46.280 those on this broadcast a number of times but those have been so visceral and so real and so
02:33:56.680 powerful times to reconnect um with my mother my grandmother um
02:34:05.320 yeah the decent look is probably the most meaningful practice that i've been part of
02:34:14.040 um and how does learning languages uh germanic languages deep in my religious faith i tons but
02:34:22.600 it's really hard to solidify. There's something just special to be able to, and big asterisk
02:34:36.840 here, I am not able to read Old Norse intelligibly, but I can read Old Norse things and probably
02:34:48.860 get 65 or better percent of the mouth noises right I won't you know it's not like I can read a block
02:35:04.660 of text and know everything but I can pick out words I can pick out a phrase here and there I
02:35:10.040 can pick out things to where there's aha moments like I know what they're talking about okay
02:35:16.540 and those are really cool um spawn and i going through you know this bunch of lore that we've
02:35:24.860 gone through uh on the website that we use and i would encourage everyone who reads the lore to try
02:35:30.460 and get dual facing um additions so you can look at the old norse and the modern translation me and
02:35:37.740 spawn have found numerous times where bellows was just wrong like you know he
02:35:47.500 miss translated frig for freya or vice versa one time in a very just on the face of it wrong way
02:35:54.860 but you're able to look at like okay this sounds off what were the actual words this is where ai
02:36:00.700 comes in handy hey ai what's the etymology of this thing it'll give you a breakdown
02:36:05.820 the etymology of words where they come from you can piece together and you get a different layer
02:36:12.780 of meaning than you would otherwise and this is something that you know spawn and i have been
02:36:19.100 trying to educate ourselves on for decades but with trying to learn the old norse
02:36:27.100 it's highlighted things and it's deepened my understanding of a number of things in really
02:36:32.780 important ways it's helped me um go through and try to understand the rune poems
02:36:43.740 there's these series of room poems there's like a norwegian icelandic and an old english rune poem
02:36:50.540 and a lot of the time stuff doesn't make sense and i wonder why when i started backtracing words
02:36:57.100 stuff ended up making a lot of sense
02:37:00.180 and a lot of things clipped
02:37:01.440 and they wouldn't have if I didn't understand
02:37:03.560 the original
02:37:05.980 word and the etymology
02:37:07.360 so hunting down
02:37:08.500 the words, the names
02:37:11.780 and the etymology of those words
02:37:13.840 and names
02:37:14.540 taught me a lot
02:37:16.720 taught me a lot about the idea of bloat
02:37:19.100 and how it's not the same
02:37:21.420 as sacrificial blood
02:37:22.800 it goes back to an idea of pouring out
02:37:25.280 an offering of pouring out a liquid offering so like a pouring out of mead which we do now
02:37:32.560 is more akin to that original meaning than the blood of sacrifice not that that's wrong or not
02:37:40.240 part of it but chasing down the etymology of bloat really taught me a lot that way i think there's
02:37:46.640 again there's no one big example but there's hundreds of little tiny examples but it's added
02:37:55.120 up to making a big difference for me um may i add one thing uh kind of to an extension of what
02:38:05.120 you're saying you may in relation to scholarly work one of the notable differences language is
02:38:14.080 appreciated by our church in order to better understand the lore but it is not indicative
02:38:20.560 of our relationship to the gods our relationship to the gods is our relationship so um i remember
02:38:27.680 you kind of saying in the past like we're not going through the trash looking at the receipts
02:38:33.280 of the gods and and trying to figure out a that's not a relationship and so
02:38:41.520 the usage of the language and the usage of the knowledge of language i think is different from
02:38:48.000 our church versus others if you read some books that have come out and they will have a translation
02:38:54.320 and that translation is somehow definitive about a word or it's passed over oh that's just a sacred
02:39:02.000 lake or uh this is a god even though the word has it's it's more connected to a group of people
02:39:11.840 or something like that um that that definitive nature of the scholarly saying oh this means this
02:39:20.720 and and that's the translation whereas we're saying no the relationship with the gods is
02:39:26.720 a relationship our community is a collective relationship led and we have one banner and we
02:39:34.480 are moving in one direction so therefore we are able to make advancements and we encourage you
02:39:42.320 to learn about language and to read all of the translations and bring forth uh a lot of that
02:39:50.880 understanding i think when people do that especially if you are new to ausitru or a lay
02:39:56.240 member um and then you hear a govi or give you a say that oh the the icier gods are the gods of
02:40:05.920 cosmic order and natural law instead of it being like what what is that there's nowhere in the
02:40:11.440 lore that states that no understanding the language has you know allowed you to see there's the
02:40:19.040 always just the referencing of law and of of dominion of of the heavens and there is the
02:40:25.200 cyclical nature of well nature and water and the earth and so that's what they're talking about
02:40:33.840 and you know that because of your understanding of language i think it's that that usage that
02:40:39.920 makes us so uniquely different from other groups that are more scholarly or scholastic
02:40:46.720 we are encouraging everyone to learn in a broad spectrum to improve the relationship
02:40:55.200 spawn what are some good old or some good norse pagan bands that would not be ai based
02:41:05.400 it's so strange that this is brought up because i had no idea until i had a client of mine come in
02:41:14.440 and asked me have you ever heard of this there's like a female-led band and then i saw that it's
02:41:21.320 like the same woman on it but in different bands and i was like that's not a woman that's ai that's
02:41:28.940 gotta be ai it's too perfect and it's all over the place um yeah i um i would have to say
02:41:37.500 because this was they were so ahead of their time one of my favorite uh bands is valraven
02:41:47.080 um they are technically from denmark but the lead singer she um and they're no longer together this
02:41:55.200 is early 2000s um the lead singer was from the faroese islands and uh she sang icelandic
02:42:03.940 traditional songs faroese and um old norse and danish songs but they made them modern and so they
02:42:13.040 added um some electronica mixed with traditional instruments it was this hybrid of i think where
02:42:22.720 our folk should be it's not this kind of uh fantasizing of the past to such a degree
02:42:31.760 that you know it's like oh they got microphones on the stage vikings didn't have microphones
02:42:35.920 you know uh that kind of mindset um it it wasn't that you had to suspend belief it no they were
02:42:44.960 uniting where we stood today with where our ancestors were in the past and all of the songs
02:42:53.200 were um traditional folk songs brought into a modern context i don't know why the band broke
02:42:59.680 up i looked into it couldn't find why um but most of their songs were written by our ancestors and
02:43:07.600 they made it modern and for that they only made i think two albums valraven is like kind of a
02:43:14.240 really good one that i i like to to go with when i'm not working out working out probably
02:43:23.200 Amon Amareth or Teeth, but they're kind of hit or miss.
02:43:40.080 It's hard.
02:43:41.080 I don't have great suggestions for you.
02:43:44.600 There has been a there are a lot of metal options with like Cookie Monster vocals that
02:43:52.240 really don't like there are a bunch of folk ones out there that i wish i was more um well versed in
02:44:04.000 but then there are the big like ooga booga ones
02:44:13.520 it's cringy to me they're ooga booganess and i don't like that and they tend to be
02:44:19.680 lefties. I think most musicians tend to be or whatever. But I can't say that I don't
02:44:28.360 enjoy the feel and the sound and some of the primalness of the stuff. But there's the Ooga
02:44:36.980 Booga, like Wardruna and Heilung and Aiwar. The Aiwar ones, like this chick dances around 1.00
02:44:47.520 with like a wolf skull and furs and stuff and the aesthetic is kind of absurd and i don't like that
02:44:56.560 but i can't deny that there's something very compelling about how primal it is
02:45:01.920 um but yeah i wish i had some great uh recommendations on that i do not at present
02:45:06.880 all right so hello chat how firm is the afa on using the term area i thought that its proper
02:45:22.060 use was still debated among scholars and depending on who you ask it can be applied to new people
02:45:27.200 present the afa is extremely solid on using the term arian i say it all the time those debates
02:45:35.720 are disingenuous Arian was perfectly fine was the scholarly term was understood was
02:45:45.440 embraced until the Second World War and because National Socialist Germany used 0.92
02:45:52.940 the term all of a sudden the rest of the world had to pretend that there's
02:45:57.980 something wrong with it and come up with you know political nonsense the same
02:46:04.760 people who would argue that it's wrong would also argue that race is a social construct and they 0.55
02:46:10.040 would argue a lot of other things that just simply are not true it's like homosexuality 0.71
02:46:17.560 it was in the codex as a mental illness until it became politically correct to placate the sodomites
02:46:25.240 and call it something else it's still a mental illness it doesn't become not a mental illness
02:46:31.240 because it's not nice to say that. 0.96
02:46:34.200 Aryan is a thing.
02:46:35.380 It means something. 0.94
02:46:36.220 It's largely academically been replaced by Indo-European
02:46:40.100 because Nazis didn't say Indo-European,
02:46:44.160 so we can call it that.
02:46:46.720 But again, that's not truth.
02:46:49.000 That's a cucking that we refuse to do.
02:46:55.720 But it's not really debated.
02:46:58.020 The debate is by people who claim that race isn't real.
02:47:02.040 the linguistic connections having the same root and coming from a root population that
02:47:10.600 brought their language and culture places that's really not honestly in dispute people try to come
02:47:18.520 up with popular theories to make that not the case but i don't find that to be honest scholarship
02:47:26.520 we do see the term Aryan permeate all of the different societies that are Aryan in a variety of different ways.
02:47:37.900 It's a term that our ancestors gave ourselves to uplift our people, to inspire them to be their best,
02:47:47.880 and to identify them as being shining with nobility.
02:47:52.180 um it stayed with our people as they moved from place to place it's the root of aristocracy
02:48:02.380 and you know all of those titles of the idea of being noble and being like the best of all the
02:48:10.760 things and it survived you know ireland being the land of the arians and iran being the land
02:48:18.640 the area and speak kind of the distance that that wave of migration brought our folk way back when
02:48:28.720 it's it's absolutely a legitimate and a beautiful word and it's the ground that we're not willing to
02:48:37.760 see for political correctness um spawn you have more to add yeah that last part there is i think
02:48:45.520 the cultivation of the ignorance and separation value is why it's such a travesty um the ignorance
02:48:55.200 is that they're going to ignore the fact that everywhere uh the people have traveled um have
02:49:04.960 carried that word with significance in their language whether it's honor nobility and we can
02:49:13.440 track it we can see it with ara in anglo-saxon and ar in um old norse we can see it with air
02:49:22.160 in the uh irish you know um and the the celt celtic or or gallic uh transference we could see it in
02:49:31.920 the hellenics with with arias and uh or aristos and we can track all of that the iranians with
02:49:41.920 iran and their the the nobility or the araya of the vedic people but no we're just going to ignore
02:49:49.600 that connectivity because of reasons political reasons so that ignorance then breaks down and
02:50:00.800 creates a separation of identity and then within where you know you'll hear so many people arguing
02:50:07.360 back and forth who is who isn't and what have you and i'm not saying languages entirely like okay
02:50:14.960 your language has it so you're gonna go no obviously it's the road upon which we can see
02:50:21.920 where our ancestors traveled and on that road some of them intermixed with other peoples um and there
02:50:28.960 are vestiges here and there in those areas but one of the unique things about europe which makes europe
02:50:37.360 so special, or the Folklund, is that we have the Gauls, we have the Hellenics, and we have
02:50:49.200 the Germanics there. And as they move in, they are uniquely preserved. They're not
02:50:58.420 running into and intermixing with long-standing civilizations, but are really encountering
02:51:08.320 predecessors of their own selves that migrated from the edges of their growing in the central
02:51:17.120 lands. So I like to use it. I think that whenever anybody hems and haws and rubs their hands about 0.92
02:51:27.280 it um it's it's just weakness i have an encyclopedia one day i will bring it on here and
02:51:35.900 it has the nomenclature of the caucasian as being defined culturally as the aryan um and that that
02:51:48.000 is beyond like modern nations it was a viable nomenclature before world war ii and now just
02:51:57.200 to ignore all of that i think culminates to the separation it doesn't have to mean that there is
02:52:04.960 some anger or hatred towards others it is that they have the right to name themselves and so do
02:52:13.040 we we choose to use a word that was perfectly viable that is a fundamental human right and it's
02:52:19.760 not one that i'm willing to give up um there was a book there is a book that i really like
02:52:27.920 and it's it's really cool um called deep ancestors
02:52:36.880 but it's silly with this i the author is
02:52:43.120 politically correct so you have to read in like the introduction this silly preamble it's like 0.94
02:52:48.480 listen up racist you know if you think there's such thing as an aryan race of people let me tell 0.90
02:52:55.600 you you're wrong and you're bad but then the very next page or two pages later whenever they start 0.73
02:53:04.400 chapter one originally there was a group of people that were all related to one another
02:53:12.400 that all spoke a certain language and had a certain culture and those people
02:53:19.600 broadened out and expanded as a group of people and carried with them this language and culture
02:53:31.280 i don't know how that's not a race of people but it's not because race is it because i was told
02:53:38.880 that race is a social construct
02:53:40.720 unless you're a proud 0.98
02:53:42.900 black man then we all 1.00
02:53:44.840 need to 0.97
02:53:45.460 own Gow 0.97
02:53:47.380 or Wakanda 0.99
02:53:50.500 if everybody's
02:53:52.660 again
02:53:55.740 that is something that's been weaponized against us 0.96
02:53:58.960 it is a beautiful word
02:54:00.420 it's our word, it means us
02:54:02.680 and it has
02:54:04.560 for thousands of years
02:54:06.520 and
02:54:08.100 you know
02:54:10.420 1940s
02:54:12.540 world politics
02:54:14.400 shouldn't change
02:54:16.600 thousands of years of what
02:54:18.420 identified our race of people
02:54:20.640 that's absurd
02:54:21.700 but you're right
02:54:24.340 scholastically you will run into problems
02:54:26.300 so to decode it
02:54:27.720 Indo-European is
02:54:29.560 what they want you to
02:54:32.560 say to sanitize it
02:54:33.840 um
02:54:35.880 Okay, I want to go to the next question, but this is kind of a follow-up on this.
02:54:43.960 Good discussion on the term.
02:54:45.100 How closely tied do you see people of Arian heritage in Europe to people of Arian heritage in India?
02:54:51.100 So that's the thing.
02:54:52.640 It's fine to mention this, too.
02:54:54.720 Just because you have language doesn't make you the thing, but it does trace a map of how it got you.
02:55:01.500 Like, Guatemalans speak an Aryan language, they're not Aryan people, but the people
02:55:11.180 who ruled over them were. 0.86
02:55:16.340 Dravidian Indians are not Aryan people, but they speak an Aryan language because Aryan
02:55:23.160 conquerors ruled over them and ruled over the Indus Valley and that happened.
02:55:30.740 question on how closely tied is that heritage thousands of years ago very closely i mean
02:55:40.180 many thousands of years ago very closely tied recently much less tied but you do see it as
02:55:48.820 and this really is an issue of like how white or indian people are not well they're not look at
02:55:54.100 them but the high caste ones are much more so than the low caste ones for that exact reason
02:56:05.540 there was a time
02:56:09.220 you know in the past thousands of years to where the high caste ones were very closely
02:56:16.180 genetically similar to our people that has long since not been the case
02:56:26.260 but you'll still find the higher cast that they are the closer that they are
02:56:32.500 now europeans amongst europeans again that's obvious but again with the migrant crisis the 0.56
02:56:40.180 people rioting in France right now and burning everything down, they may speak an Aryan language,
02:56:46.740 they're clearly not Frenchmen. So I mean, that kind of sense extrapolates. So no modern
02:56:56.340 Dravidian brown Indians are not Aryans, but they do speak an Aryan language and they hold on to 1.00
02:57:04.820 a very diluted and very distant link to aryan culture and aryan spirituality that's why there 0.94
02:57:14.600 is overlap in their conception of divinity but that overlap is very very distant and very very
02:57:21.980 um deep into the ancient past swan what would you say uh yeah i everything you're saying is
02:57:31.920 I mean, that's the flat point of it. I think all I can do is introduce perhaps another perspective to gain understanding is look at the Chinese in Eastern Asia, look at the Japanese and you look at the surrounding areas, the Koreans and their influence from China, their influence from Japan.
02:57:51.980 Or even a strange occurrence, too, is that the Japanese people that came to the island and they got influenced by the Ainu people.
02:58:04.700 um and so there's a strange moment of where you have kind of the overarching group coming in and
02:58:12.420 not influencing um the present group that they conquer but instead pull up beliefs from them
02:58:21.280 which i think speaks to the japanese is like the japanese uh concepts of adaptability they
02:58:28.480 they're more literally receptive to ideas um but our folk came in and influenced
02:58:38.080 others and we see that everywhere when we run into each other uh that's when we we get mainly
02:58:47.360 it's geographical and political uh the reason why the the word arian kind of falls out of usage as
02:58:54.160 an identity marker is because we were not trying to identify ourselves amongst ourselves it was
02:59:01.760 very strong in the middle east hence iranian the the persians if you will um because they were right
02:59:10.960 in there next to the semitic people whereas you see the hittites and the louians they
02:59:17.760 inter they intermixed they absorbed much of what they encountered um the same with the the uh vedic
02:59:26.400 people and eventually they did absorb but when they set things up they set it up very very
02:59:33.120 strongly and then eventually over time there were concepts but they were changed and and um
02:59:39.920 you know they're the the uh divinities that are now are entirely uh products of those people
02:59:50.240 um but they're you know they have structure from the aryan religion but in europe they didn't need
02:59:56.800 that they didn't need there was they were all of various perhaps migrational stages um but
03:00:04.560 genetically you know again the proto-indo-european people and the bell beaker and who wiped out one
03:00:13.840 or the uh it's like you can't tell because genetically they're they're very close so
03:00:20.640 you know there was a lot of theories around that and that was because of their connectivity and so
03:00:26.480 that they did they identified along religious things by the time there was
03:00:37.200 non-whites making incursions into europe it was christian versus more
03:00:45.680 and it was obvious if you're brown you're moorish if you're not you're christian because that was 0.69
03:00:51.360 the psychic play in southern europe and eastern europe at the time so but yeah that's a very
03:00:59.600 really important point you raise the meaning of needing to define it's just like there was no
03:01:05.920 term for ausentia back in in our ancestors time it was unnecessary who are you oh i'm you know
03:01:15.520 from whatever kingdom okay you're obviously ausentia we know what that means because you
03:01:20.800 are the religion of your people we understand that that was just the default setting right
03:01:26.320 it's only when there was an encroachment of other religions to where you had to specify
03:01:31.760 oh i'm this and not that and so that was um part of the idea of zealotry of the fringe which was
03:01:41.200 a concept i learned from that book was that when you're distant from the homeland and you're
03:01:49.040 surrounded by others you need to hang on to your identity all that much more tightly
03:01:55.680 and that's one of the reasons that that became the place name like if you're czechoslovakia and
03:02:02.400 you name your country the land of the arians it doesn't make sense because you're bordered by
03:02:06.880 arians on every border like what what are you talking about as opposed to what but no we're
03:02:13.120 on the frontier through the arians as opposed to all of the knot that are surrounding us that's
03:02:20.080 our defining factor um yeah i the another unique thing is what you said it was understood that
03:02:30.080 you believed in the gods of your people if you were a lombard or a gepid and you ran into an
03:02:37.120 alemani and oh yeah my people call him godan and oh my people call him botan but it still understood 0.83
03:02:45.280 the same one of the unique things or that is unique in and of itself when you look at other
03:02:51.520 groups like you i mean you can argue the origin of yahweh in the judaic sense is that he was once
03:03:00.000 part of the greater pantheon of the Levantine people that, um, produced purple. And that could
03:03:08.620 be, we could call them the Phoenicians. We could call them the Canaanites, depending on which angle 0.82
03:03:13.140 you're looking at, but they deeply divided. And so you have one group, um, you know, the Edomites
03:03:20.780 are over here and they're worshiping, you know, bullhead baby eater. And then, uh, ours is, you 0.79
03:03:27.740 know um burning bush uh you know wizard uh guidance god and over there they have the fish god
03:03:37.720 because they live next to the water and so they were deeply divided they even have their own
03:03:42.520 city-states built entirely around the worship of singular gods and you don't see that amongst us
03:03:50.860 so i think it's a unique marker of the middle eastern um what would eventually be known as
03:03:57.260 the shemetic or semitic people is these kind of divisionable lines that i would argue that they
03:04:02.940 were barreling towards monotheism in their mindset part of the the fruit of their race
03:04:09.820 is this deep need to hold on to just a singularity but our folk didn't do that our folk might have
03:04:18.780 had different names and certainly the gods were watching when we fought each other but they were
03:04:24.780 not different gods and um perhaps there are you know fringe influences um but each of the branches
03:04:36.060 produced stories and this kind of ties back to what you had said about how each um cultural
03:04:43.020 representation of of the gods in marriage uh siblings and uh steps stepchildren and wedding
03:04:52.220 and so on and so forth each aryan culture has a very unique blueprint of the gods in relation to
03:05:01.340 each other there are elements that are always there there is always the tripartite and i know
03:05:06.780 i i bring it up all the time but it is that element in all yes please
03:05:12.220 sup to the tripartite but we know that it is there even though perhaps it may be different
03:05:18.060 amongst the slavs different amongst the gulls different amongst uh the the britannians it's
03:05:23.500 always there and the germanics and the nords and their variations um there are these kind of
03:05:31.420 commonality things that are the fruit of our religious culture that is why it is it it is
03:05:37.740 better to give them the nomenclature of being arian because they supersede all of the linguistic
03:05:45.900 and nationalistic divisions that we have when we do talk about the tripartite and uh we do talk
03:05:53.180 about mythos or arian mythos or arian cyclical nature very very important that we use that word
03:06:01.340 because it supersedes a lot of the divisional lines that we have today that we know about i'm
03:06:06.940 not trying to deny them but they exist there so the last question by um
03:06:18.460 the 45 caliber medic number three is that's a cool name
03:06:25.980 uh how does the afa relate to the pre and we have another question lined up too i didn't
03:06:31.820 can get about it but this is continuing on the topic um how does the afa relate to the pre-indo
03:06:37.900 european or pre-aryan migrations heritage of europe it seems like the arians arose from europe's
03:06:45.340 stock but is there a larger group that arians ultimately belong to something that we might
03:06:51.900 not have an ancient word for so
03:06:55.900 So as Nick pointed out in the chat, but anybody listening to this at a later time, folk builder
03:07:04.800 Chris Savage and I have been working on a history series every second Wednesday of the
03:07:10.380 month.
03:07:12.380 Nick may have the episode number that we started it on, but while he digs that up and we find
03:07:22.440 it, we've talked about kind of this very thing.
03:07:25.160 One of the things that Chris and I tried to do was plot a from the Ice Age through the Viking Age connectivity, pointing out that our people and our gods have been connected from that point onward, the same people and the same gods,
03:07:50.000 and how those changed and evolved and became seemingly different in ways over that time.
03:08:00.820 But no, our gods are that old, our people are that old.
03:08:04.800 The gods and the people don't change every time language does
03:08:08.420 or every time they move into a new valley or a new nation.
03:08:12.720 They don't become different things.
03:08:16.160 So to kind of help us remember where we came from, where we all came from,
03:08:20.000 Your question, there are us, there are, sure, Aryans are a culture that is Caucasoid, and eventually all Caucasians became Aryans because of the conquest pattern.
03:08:47.800 So, it's like as our gods in the very earliest primordial time before the time of man, there
03:08:58.540 were Aesir and Vanir, when the Aesir conquered the Vanir, they all became Aesir. 0.79
03:09:05.540 There was old Europeans that are little pockets of populations that were isolated from the
03:09:12.000 same rootstock, but they were isolated during the Ice Age.
03:09:17.800 pockets of people are the same people as the bigger pocket of people that became the arians
03:09:25.400 for the folks on the caucasian step um caspian step there so those are the same people the
03:09:36.200 biggest chunk of them are what we would traditionally know as arians and as they
03:09:42.360 moved in and met their isolated kinsmen they absorbed them and you know their their their
03:09:51.800 numbers increased as that happened but yes that's the population i think that you're referring to
03:09:57.240 in that and that's our relationship to them as they were isolated you know distant they were
03:10:03.080 cousins that were isolated through the ice age and that our people reconnected with and reabsorbed
03:10:09.160 um swan say you hyperborean thulian glacier nights no um
03:10:17.160 well yeah that that does bring in a point about we know the word uh ariya uh arian irani or iranin
03:10:30.660 um we know that that is spoken anything before that is speculative the language and i'm not
03:10:39.160 even actually shooting that down the idea that an h was before it so it might have been uh
03:10:45.240 herios or herion um because we see the h and the and the e and the a being even in my you know my
03:10:53.320 last name jarl earl harold eriloy amongst the greeks it's there's some crazy stuff and that
03:11:00.120 was all relatively in the same time frame so now you add thousands of years and you see these um
03:11:06.120 inflections come in and drop out and so on and so forth but we could say oh it it's it was probably
03:11:12.600 hedios so we could say we are the hedios um but that's not we don't know that that was spoken but
03:11:19.880 we do know what was spoken and then when we talk about the hyperboreans or the thule you know as
03:11:27.240 as a, as a concept, let's say we came from them, uh, that is still these names from,
03:11:36.020 from the Latin and, um, or Latinum and, and Greco concepts. Um, that's not us naming. That's,
03:11:44.980 uh, that's, well, I mean, it's like us naming ourselves long after the fact in retrospect.
03:11:52.080 So I don't know. Whatever that is, the idea of us coming from a source and then our being not fully identifiable simply because of our fragmentation to eventually the culmination of what we know as the spoken word of the noble ones or the honorable ones is, again, left to speculation.
03:12:22.080 But the fact, I do believe it is there. I just don't know if it's, again, we, Hyperborean, living on glacier palaces and the pre-societal thing, like, you know, there's Goblet Tepe of Turkey.
03:12:43.340 yeah gobekli tepi in turkey and you know this time frame that was these people and our people
03:12:51.740 were doing the same thing you know surfing the glaciers up in the and and ascending into the
03:12:57.580 northern lights um and then you know something happened and we moved down into the central and
03:13:03.440 then spread out from there um i'm not even even though i'm joking about it in a tongue-in-cheek
03:13:09.380 way i'm not shooting down those ideas that we have an origination the problem is we don't it's
03:13:18.020 so speculative as once you cross that nexus point into the past we a million percent have an origin
03:13:26.740 but the origin point
03:13:28.900 predates
03:13:32.020 any conception of prehistory
03:13:36.340 that we have
03:13:37.320 so our closest thing
03:13:40.120 and that's why Chris and I picked the Ice Age
03:13:42.620 I believe very much
03:13:44.740 that our people existed
03:13:46.120 before and during
03:13:48.700 the Ice Age
03:13:49.520 but if you get before
03:13:52.700 the Ice Age it starts being where you can't
03:13:54.840 really make heads from your
03:13:56.700 tails of a lot of things
03:13:58.060 so the other thing is
03:14:00.300 it's important to note
03:14:01.440 you are using Aryan 0.55
03:14:04.280 very scholastically in the sense 1.00
03:14:06.300 of like when
03:14:08.280 scholars date the start
03:14:10.340 of the Arya
03:14:11.420 we're not using it as
03:14:16.300 a classification
03:14:17.600 of
03:14:18.920 well it's like you know the Yamnaya
03:14:22.480 people or whatever else they pick
03:14:24.280 a spot where they develop the thing
03:14:26.080 and that's their arbitrary date
03:14:27.740 there was one day
03:14:30.300 that somebody's like, aha
03:14:31.960 let's call ourselves the Aryans
03:14:34.700 cool, let's go with it
03:14:36.640 it's not
03:14:38.640 as if they weren't the same people
03:14:40.780 the day before that
03:14:42.520 they didn't have a name
03:14:44.760 for that, so I'm saying our people
03:14:46.840 post
03:14:48.240 I'm post-dating it to where our people
03:14:50.840 have always been the Aryan people 1.00
03:14:52.380 because that's the word
03:14:54.820 for our race, but it's not a word our race
03:14:56.800 had
03:14:57.300 until a certain linguistic level. 0.54
03:15:01.020 So what I'm saying is there's white people
03:15:02.820 that existed before that term,
03:15:05.980 that existed in and pre the Ice Age,
03:15:09.920 and mapping those is very speculative at best.
03:15:16.880 On to the next piece.
03:15:22.380 I'm wanting to give the gods a gift of food,
03:15:25.500 But I don't know what to say for the bloat or if I'm able to even do a bloat myself. 0.92
03:15:32.680 So as a heterosexual Aryan man, you are absolutely able to do an offering between you and your gods. 0.97
03:15:45.400 Absolutely. 0.91
03:15:46.040 Absolutely.
03:15:46.140 So I wanted to say
03:15:55.340 a couple of things.
03:16:02.920 As an example,
03:16:03.980 I was trying to think of the order to do these two things.
03:16:08.660 Bear with me.
03:16:12.140 I think
03:16:13.140 that the best thing to do
03:16:16.140 not just starting out, but up to
03:16:19.760 and including 10 years in as the
03:16:23.380 All's Harrier Goathe. I don't have a planned
03:16:27.800 out scripted thing. I don't like that. When I speak
03:16:31.840 to the gods, I want to speak from the heart.
03:16:35.860 There are some formulas or some things I repeat or some
03:16:39.680 things that I think are meaningful that maybe I say, but
03:16:43.440 i want to genuinely express from from my soul from my heart my feelings my intentions to the
03:16:55.920 gods and i don't want that um diluted by a script
03:17:01.200 so i think that your guidance should be honesty and piety
03:17:13.440 And I think whatever you do, as long as you are doing it seriously and with good intentions and with respect, and you honestly represent yourself, I think that's the way to go.
03:17:27.560 I think when you have a bunch of bloat elements, that's much more for when you have a group of people.
03:17:36.100 like i don't do a bloat if i am leaving bloat for assembled afa members
03:17:44.760 it is a very different thing than if i'm standing before my altar and i'm just making a simple
03:17:51.240 offering to the gods so that's what it sounds like you are suggesting you would like to do
03:17:58.200 what i'd suggest i know that that is meaningful to me because i'm very from the heart kind of person
03:18:06.840 and speak off the cuff kind of person i also know that everybody's not wild that way i know that
03:18:13.400 some people take a lot of comfort in having an idea of what they're going to say or having a
03:18:18.600 formula or having something you're going to do so i would offer this i think that you need to
03:18:25.560 find a special spot to do it. That can be your home altar, it can be a special place
03:18:36.700 outside that is pretty, or that's powerful, or that's special to you. It can be a cool
03:18:44.100 tree, it can be a cool rock, it can be a spot that's a clearing in the woods, or a place
03:18:49.280 down by the river or you know just a spot that's special to you um i would start by
03:19:05.520 inviting the god or gods that you want to be present to hear you and to be there
03:19:11.280 express that you want to give them a gift of you mentioned you would like to give them
03:19:19.800 a gift of food so you know for example Lord Odin I've come here to this place to reach
03:19:31.320 out to you today. I would like to offer you this food that I've prepared. I hope that
03:19:41.140 you will accept it in the spirit that I offer it. And then I would say a message that is
03:19:49.380 from the heart of what your intention is. Why are you offering it? Is it in thanks for
03:19:54.800 something is it in order to show appreciation is it and express that hey i was thinking of you and
03:20:03.760 i want to build a greater connection i give you this offering uh from me to you i hope i make you
03:20:10.240 proud hail owen and then close out and it can be that simple but speak your heart you can say more
03:20:19.600 but that in a very basic sense is what i would do um spawn what would you add to that or what
03:20:29.420 would you do differently um your faith is a sword is a spear is an axe it's the action of your hands
03:20:39.160 but there are two things that one below and one above that the heart and the mind your heart your
03:20:46.700 inclination your inspiration that which moves you to be genuine in your faith is i wish to give a
03:20:54.620 gift and uh this gift is what you wish it to be um that is that uh from the heart and then
03:21:05.500 when you do things you don't want to do them with blindly so the mind hones the heart and as
03:21:14.940 as Al-Syaragothi said, it's intention. What does this gift represent to me? The sustenance
03:21:22.540 of food, and I wish to share that sustenance that has been bestowed upon me as a blessing
03:21:31.340 in giving thanks, and that kind of conceptualization. So you have the conscious
03:21:38.040 mind and the intuitive heart uh formalizing together with the action in in your hands
03:21:46.280 and that's really all you need when you come to a hof when you come to a national event
03:21:53.560 and you see all of these multiple layers these are communal relationship traditions that have been
03:22:01.400 placed in and it so it should be enjoyed for that the communication between the group and the gods
03:22:09.720 is built on years and years of doing this together and that has its own beauty but when you're at
03:22:17.880 home it can be simple and it can be from the heart if you have something from the heart but you don't
03:22:26.840 feel like like you're almost like you're hopping on one leg you need the other legs so you need
03:22:32.040 this the the the intellectual part you want to write something down that's great too that builds
03:22:39.800 um your knowledge and lore together so when you do these things i would always encourage to speak
03:22:48.040 from the heart if you can't write it down try your best but really give do the action
03:22:57.080 your ignition of inspiration from your heart and your desire to understand why you're you
03:23:03.560 are feeling this way is what makes it a noble pursuit and the action itself i think will will
03:23:10.600 garner a fruit of a relationship with the gods because that's genuine you're genuine i want to
03:23:18.680 expand on this for a minute because something i've been thinking about lately because of another
03:23:22.840 conversation i was having um one day i will have a really cool name for this principle and we can
03:23:30.840 like hashtag it it'll be a thing but i don't right now um
03:23:40.600 A lot of people make this harder than it should be.
03:23:47.600 A lot of people, because they're not used to speaking to the gods,
03:23:55.320 and because the gods are so vast and so overwhelming in scope,
03:24:02.520 and out of an abundance of piety, they want to treat them a certain way.
03:24:10.600 And I think that this happens in life in a lot of ways.
03:24:15.580 Like, if you want to interact with King Charles,
03:24:20.280 there's a whole bunch of protocol and things and special dance moves and stuff you have to do
03:24:26.860 because they've created this great distance.
03:24:31.080 But fundamentally, though he is a king, he's also a man.
03:24:37.760 and he understands people.
03:24:42.200 The gods are gods,
03:24:44.780 but they gave us our consciousness.
03:24:48.700 They gave us our spark of divinity that's within us.
03:24:53.720 They shaped us.
03:24:56.200 We didn't design the gods in our image.
03:24:59.380 The gods imbued us with a bit of their image.
03:25:03.060 they're vastly beyond us in every conceivable way but no matter how far you go in life and how
03:25:12.800 much you advance and what an expert and a you know ubermensch you become
03:25:18.880 you have the knowledge of all those things you had when you were you were a baby you were a
03:25:25.800 toddler you were just starting out our gods are so much more than we will ever be
03:25:31.760 but they also understand us
03:25:34.820 at our most simple
03:25:36.080 we try to start
03:25:39.020 from our mundane
03:25:41.080 where we are
03:25:42.100 and approach 0.98
03:25:43.700 the great gods of Aryan 0.77
03:25:46.640 consciousness 0.99
03:25:47.360 at their maximum
03:25:50.680 that we can comprehend
03:25:52.260 and make it
03:25:54.880 very very tricky
03:25:56.060 and daunting
03:25:58.100 when it doesn't need to be
03:25:59.700 we understand how to build relationship with other sentient things even other you know
03:26:08.840 less than a sentient thing from the moment we're born we know how to pet the dog we know how to
03:26:20.280 hug mom or hug dad. We know how to do these things. Relationships become more complicated
03:26:30.360 as we grow and as we learn and as we do things, but they can always be reduced to that most basic
03:26:40.000 hey i love you here's a hug that always is meaningful yeah you can add more
03:26:48.480 but that always is something that we understand
03:26:51.960 you as an adult if a small child
03:26:57.360 breaks off and gives you half of their candy bar or gives you you know one of their
03:27:05.920 Cheerios
03:27:08.700 you know what that means
03:27:12.600 that child
03:27:14.640 doesn't need to speak
03:27:16.140 if a three 0.84
03:27:18.680 year old waddles up to you
03:27:20.420 and hugs your leg
03:27:21.840 cool you get that
03:27:24.620 they don't need to give you
03:27:26.020 eloquent prose
03:27:27.820 they don't need a special type
03:27:30.480 of mead from a gilded
03:27:32.560 horn
03:27:33.100 you know what that means it is a beautiful expression of love and you get it as
03:27:42.020 their children in a very distant you know way they get it reach out with right intention
03:27:54.760 and express something from the heart that transcends language,
03:28:00.300 that transcends what you're doing.
03:28:04.300 The gods don't have a shortage of meat or a shortage of food in Asgard,
03:28:09.200 that they need that.
03:28:10.680 What they need is the intention behind which you're sharing it.
03:28:15.800 You know, if a three-year-old hands me a Cheerio,
03:28:19.900 it's probably gross, and I'm probably not even really going to eat it
03:28:23.780 because it's probably nasty,
03:28:25.740 but I really appreciate the point
03:28:28.480 they're trying to share the Cheerios with me.
03:28:31.200 And I'm not being silly, I promise to you.
03:28:34.260 I'm being as genuine as I can be.
03:28:37.600 Don't overcomplicate it.
03:28:41.040 You are not going to impress the gods
03:28:43.300 with your great oratory.
03:28:46.300 I mean, shoot, maybe you are.
03:28:47.880 If you devote your whole life to being a musician,
03:28:50.160 Maybe you're going to compose the most epic song that they're going to stop and take notice to.
03:28:55.780 I don't want to kill your dreams. Do that.
03:28:59.580 But in the meantime, you are reaching out to gods that shaped you and that care about us.
03:29:09.500 And you are expressing devotion to them.
03:29:12.340 And it can be that simple. It doesn't have to be hard.
03:29:15.880 It is literally the most natural thing that there is.
03:29:20.880 do that and if you're doing it with a pure heart you don't need to worry about it sure refine it
03:29:27.760 add to it do all the extra with it you want over the years as you grow in your faith
03:29:35.360 but right now today if you feel moved to make an offering to one of the gods
03:29:42.560 go do that and worry about how to make it better tomorrow
03:29:47.200 I'm waiting to learn the lore
03:29:54.980 I'm sorry
03:29:57.180 I'm wanting to learn the lore
03:29:58.840 but what should I read after 0.99
03:30:01.200 the Habermal and the Eddas
03:30:03.120 Svahn
03:30:05.540 let's say you
03:30:06.100 I mean
03:30:10.820 I wonder
03:30:11.960 obviously you said the Eddas
03:30:14.580 the Habermal is in the Eddas
03:30:16.440 i think the reason why you're separating the hava mall is because of its application
03:30:21.800 it's very very applicable to the world um around you um i mean obviously i think as you build your
03:30:31.720 relationship with the church uh you should read the true log mal because it uh begins to set up
03:30:40.360 something that you don't find in the lore and you find attempts at it in other um
03:30:48.520 through books or is that there is the observable hierarchy and what we begin to see is how
03:30:57.720 relationships work within um the observable lore and how that becomes pertinent um i also think that
03:31:10.360 again going into perhaps the uh peripheral whether it's study of like germanic mythology
03:31:21.080 uh from from the brothers grim um or if it's um the uh history of the teutons and other forms um
03:31:35.400 myths and symbols of pagan europe by davidson there's a lot of peripheral things that you can
03:31:44.380 start to step into and what that will really allow you to do is just look at the evidence of what we
03:31:50.560 have as we are really whenever we do that we're spanning the gap that was created by our ancestors
03:31:58.580 who dropped the faith um and that's another subject but we are covering that gap but that
03:32:08.200 doesn't stop you from having a relationship now you have your relationship now and then you look
03:32:13.920 at the lore and you look at things um to look at that evidence to see how our ancestors did things
03:32:21.340 and then understand that those things are different than today um and they will i believe
03:32:29.320 help you garner a better relationship but don't forget your your relationship is now
03:32:35.400 what you're reading in the lore is crossing that chasm of time and piecing things together
03:32:44.580 for a better understanding of what was important to our ancestors. And there are things that our
03:32:51.700 ancestors considered important we do today. There are things that aren't anymore. And having that
03:32:57.680 kind of ability to be the adult in the room and say, okay, I understand now why our relationship
03:33:03.600 with the gods is this way. But I also understand why our relationship with the gods that our
03:33:08.660 ancestors had was that way. Um, that's where you kind of build that connectivity. And I think
03:33:15.160 that's where the gods in their relationship with you become, um, uh, more than just two-dimensional.
03:33:26.760 Um, if you do the lore only, they become very two-dimensional. So keep that relationship now
03:33:33.140 and then expand out from there um any anything built around archaeology and then again you have
03:33:39.800 to consider that the authors have their own biases um but whether you're talking about um
03:33:47.560 the the formulation of of the teutons uh ibn fadlan and his interaction with the rus you have
03:33:56.160 to consider translations and bias of authors but still it's that journey the journey uh uh the
03:34:05.460 odinic journey if you will of going and finding that knowledge consuming it and then being able
03:34:12.120 to allocate it while maintaining a relationship in the modern day with the gods and then anything
03:34:18.380 that you gain from them those inspirations those signs and inclinations that's your relationship
03:34:27.020 now and um eventually the two will merge um and i think that's where you get truly powerful
03:34:35.500 uh religious nature but it's that that's the journey until you get there
03:34:42.460 so detour for a second because i'm looking at the chat
03:34:48.380 excuse me 45 caliber medic yes come to phrase off for a better nighter i would love to meet you
03:34:58.420 there um it is fantastic i understand it's a little bit of a drive for you you mentioned
03:35:03.960 you're in eastern pennsylvania um i am in central tennessee and we are driving up it's well worth
03:35:11.940 it i look forward to seeing you there also you will meet there uh jill gaffney who is our folk
03:35:19.220 builder um for eastern pennsylvania she lives out in your neck of the woods and um is very
03:35:29.140 active she's a lovely woman and one of our one of the best folk builders coming up she is uh it
03:35:35.860 would be great for you to make her acquaintance and uh she's the one to talk to if you want to
03:35:41.300 get together with folks in your area uh but yeah come on out to the hawk we would love to see you
03:35:46.820 there it's a really really good opportunity um they're so active out there that jill's holding
03:35:53.220 a moot right now there you go um wow this is late what are they doing at 10 30 on a on a wednesday
03:36:02.180 night anyways well i don't know how late it is it was uh dinner and bluegrass okay well they're
03:36:08.260 probably listen this is like their third bluegrass move in the last yeah she's in pennsylvania and
03:36:14.900 i'm not here in tennessee and i'm i'm envious of her getting listening bluegrass something
03:36:19.220 something's not right with that um but to the question at hand um the eddas is a really big
03:36:29.700 jump and there's lots of stuff in there that's very difficult to understand without context i
03:36:36.740 I actually wouldn't recommend you just dive into all of the Eddas.
03:36:41.220 Certainly, they're yours, they're ours, knock yourself out.
03:36:45.700 But you mentioned the Havamal.
03:36:47.320 I think that's a really good choice.
03:36:48.880 It wouldn't be my first choice.
03:36:51.700 I think I would recommend the first thing you read to be The Guilt Forgetting.
03:36:59.780 I think that's the, that's the best, what do I want to say, okay, in the Eddas, I think
03:37:16.760 that is the most straightforward presentation that's in the, in the prose Edda.
03:37:25.480 um it is a very clear and very straightforward presentation of our lore it is what the AFA
03:37:36.460 draws on very heavily for our structure and how we do things so I would recommend you read the
03:37:43.660 guilt beginning I would recommend that you also read the true load model which
03:37:49.840 is something that we put together as the AFA about the very core beliefs of the House True Folk
03:38:01.200 Assembly. It's drawn heavily from the guilt beginning, and it's something that I think is
03:38:07.720 really important for you to read. After that, I would, I agree that the Havamal is a really good
03:38:16.340 thing to read in there
03:38:18.440 and if I could suggest
03:38:20.560 two other etic poems for you
03:38:22.700 to read
03:38:23.140 the Velospow and
03:38:26.420 the Rigstula
03:38:27.940 I think those
03:38:29.780 are
03:38:32.120 the ones that I would
03:38:34.560 recommend that you read
03:38:36.480 first. Absolutely, help
03:38:38.460 yourself to all of the lore, I certainly don't want to
03:38:40.500 gatekeep on that, but those are what I recommend
03:38:42.420 you read first
03:38:43.300 beyond that and intermixed i think reading the bulunga saga and reading beowulf are really good
03:38:56.240 kind of bits of lore for you to read before you go in you know just early on but then there's a
03:39:04.520 lot of other things to read depending on what you want or where you want your studies to go
03:39:10.160 so if you do that
03:39:13.680 and you want to narrow down on some of those
03:39:16.620 I'd be really happy to give you some guidance
03:39:20.020 once you get there
03:39:20.880 but those are things that I would read first
03:39:23.180 That is the last question we have in line tonight
03:39:30.480 Swan, I appreciate you being here
03:39:32.940 despite your technical difficulties 1.00
03:39:35.760 and you using those to sandbag me
03:39:39.120 on reading the most difficult
03:39:41.160 stuff we've got to read.
03:39:42.820 I see how you are, but that's okay.
03:39:46.460 We got past it
03:39:47.260 though. It's just unfortunate with the phone.
03:39:50.380 This week
03:39:51.160 got past it. I don't know what you
03:39:53.140 got during it.
03:39:58.220 So
03:39:58.740 Spawn will be joining me
03:40:01.200 again in two weeks
03:40:03.120 to continue this,
03:40:05.200 hopefully with a little bit better connectivity.
03:40:07.980 Next week
03:40:09.120 I will be talking to you with folk builder Chris Savage
03:40:14.560 as we continue our history series
03:40:17.320 and we talk about Vikings to the East.
03:40:23.260 So we're doing that.
03:40:25.980 Got kind of an important fun announcement
03:40:29.240 in the midst when we do that.
03:40:30.880 So I'm looking forward to talking to you
03:40:32.080 about that next week.
03:40:33.740 that will be
03:40:37.160 like
03:40:38.480 I'll be going to bed after that show
03:40:41.300 and then getting on the road to go up
03:40:43.380 for Better Nighter at
03:40:45.280 Frase Hall
03:40:46.000 hope y'all are making plans
03:40:49.300 to do the same because I'd love to see you guys
03:40:51.240 there
03:40:51.540 but yeah I appreciate you guys being here
03:40:55.120 tonight very good show
03:40:56.900 real good
03:40:59.120 questions and yeah
03:41:01.040 I've enjoyed it we'll see you
03:41:03.180 guys a week from today if I don't talk to any of you sooner. Until then, he'll be Aysir,
03:41:09.160 he'll be Polk, he'll be AFA, and remember, victory never sleeps.
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