00:05:08.540Worked on mainly by Witten Fassett and her team in our operations group.
00:05:16.000they look awesome get them sooner rather than later because supplies are limited
00:05:24.920uh with that we'll go ahead and get into the oralinda book before uh i give chris to go
00:05:37.640ahead and kind of talk about the history of it and all that i want to start by saying i know
00:05:43.820that a lot of people are invested in the oral in the book especially in our sphere i guess um
00:05:50.800because there is a lot of like any good work of fiction there's a lot of uh truth a lot of truth
00:05:59.380in it that's not to say that the whole thing is real spoiler alert it is not uh i don't say that
00:06:06.960to be flippant i don't want to do this in a way where you know it's me and chris pointing and
00:06:12.580laughing at people for believing in something that was presented to them as real um our people
00:06:19.020specifically have this tendency and it usually contributes to the greater good rather than
00:06:24.800otherwise but we have this tendency to always want to find the hidden knowledge in something
00:06:31.240always want to dig down to the bottom of whatever is happening it and that trait of ours has given
00:06:40.880us so many things including this screen i'm talking into and you guys get to hear it tens
00:06:48.100or hundreds or thousands of miles away you know um it's a wonderful trait to have and i don't
00:06:55.680ever want to admonish anybody for using that and stumbling upon the oral in the book and believing
00:07:02.760it because it is fantastical and because it has again some truth in it any good or even decent
00:07:09.380propaganda is going to have some pretty decent amount of truth sprinkled in there to kind of
00:07:14.620lure you in uh is there going to be a william or lucy sighting tonight william is asleep and i would
00:07:24.420bet uh lucy is as well lucy is heading off to bed yeah you'll see her don't don't worry ron don't
00:07:33.860Don't worry. Yeah, yeah. We'll see you in a couple weeks, actually.
00:07:37.060Yeah, ideally, William will stay asleep. He had a little nightmare or something a minute ago right before he went live. Thankfully, he's out.
00:07:47.440Anyway, Chris, will you walk us through the kind of history, origins, background, whatever of the Oralinda book?
00:07:57.240sure so the oerolinda book is a text that posits itself as being the true history of europe and
00:08:11.360its descendants from the matriarchal monotheistic ancient dutchman who descended from atlantis
00:08:18.6604 000 years ago um that's a bit of a mouthful we're going to unpack it in in detail um
00:08:28.180so to start with let's kind of rather than just trashing on this book i want to start by saying
00:08:38.260what i think it is if you look at it honestly in light of all of the just facts about it it is a
00:08:46.580work of what we would today refer to as theory fiction which um complex allegory that is trying
00:08:55.300to convey a philosophy theology or ideology through fiction um plato does this a lot with
00:09:04.660like the ring of gyges or guges um with atlantis crafting these elaborate stories to convey a point
00:09:14.180that aren't necessarily completely this is fake i'm making this up right but are also
00:09:24.020not necessarily supposed to be real um in the aware linda books case that that couldn't have
00:09:32.780been uh we'll get into the story of the actual textual history of the book and why the authors
00:09:39.500plural ultimately couldn't come clean about all of it so as i said this text purports to be the
00:09:47.160true history of europe and its descendants or and its descent from the matriarchal monotheistic
00:09:52.220golden age caused by the ancient dutchmen descending from atlantis 4 000 years ago
00:09:56.640The book, Oera Linda, is an attempt at archaicizing Old Dutch to, so the book was produced to the public by, I am not a frisophobe, I have no rancor against the Dutch people, but I'm not going to pronounce any of these names or words correctly.
00:10:22.340Please forgive me in advance, but it's Dutch.
00:10:26.640So in the 1850s, Cornelis Overdelinda, that's his surname, Overdelinda, produces this book that he claims was given to him by his aunt, who was giving it to him on behalf of his grandfather as part of his inheritance.
00:10:44.560This book had been passed down through the Overdelinda family for dozens of generations, with them being the last keepers of this ancient knowledge.
00:10:57.220over de linda's family as the oer linda over de linda or linda right um lineage show up prominently
00:11:08.460in the text as keepers of lore that go on to become you know cornellis over de linda revealing
00:11:16.240this book to the public for the first time right um so cornellis then brings it to
00:11:26.800a man by the name of Ilko Verwis, who is a provincial archivist in the province that he
00:11:34.160lived in. So this is kind of like the Register of Deeds meets a college. We don't really have a
00:11:42.180core equivalent to this at the time, but it's basically a government office for recording
00:11:46.920things and bringing things to the attention of scholars so ilko initially rejects it but he
00:11:57.860ends up passing it on to a scholar by the name of johan winkler winkler gives a copy to jan
00:12:29.600um so yan atma is the um ideological founder of the authenticist position atma is the one that
00:12:44.480begins the idea that this is a real true story that has been hidden from the world by dark
00:12:54.400shadowy forces and it coming back to public understanding is a a crucial salvo by the
00:13:03.120forces of good so um the the principal text on this book is um the diga massacre to god
00:13:18.880by uh goff jensma um who is a dutch academic part of the problem with this text is that this
00:13:27.920part of the problem with the study of the oerlinde book is that this academic work has not been
00:13:35.520translated to english formally it is in dutch the pdf i have of it is 467 pages entirely in dutch
00:13:43.600so this is an esoteric and arcane text that is not really accessible to english academia
00:13:52.920because it's literally in not in english right i had to use uh uh internet translation to even
00:14:01.960access a lot of this material because a lot of the information about this text is not in english
00:14:08.380there are english translations of the oralinda book but like talking about the language there's
00:14:16.380nothing on this on the language of the book in english um gov jensma is not a believer in the
00:14:24.140authenticity of the book spoiler warning um the book the the article here the digemasker to god
00:14:33.440might as well be a book unto itself given how big it is but um this this the massacre to god
00:14:39.040article book is absolutely not in favor of the authenticity of this text um so let's just back
00:14:49.040up and talk about the book a little bit like the physical artifact so it's 1 508 uh sorry 158
00:15:00.520thousand characters uh 38 000 words 6 000 ish lines it's about 190 pages on folded sheets
00:15:09.480in nine choirs um that's basically a choir is if you take a bunch of paper fold it in half
00:15:17.400right and you have several of those in a line and they get glued to the spine of a book um
00:15:25.160so due to how the formatting is set up because this this book was made by hand
00:15:29.400if it was made today it would be about 110 pages um the make and style of the book are consistent
00:15:38.760with bookmaking in the 1800s um the physical copy of the book the original artifact which
00:15:48.120is accessible by scholars it's like in a museum is it claims to be from uh 1256 a.d
00:15:55.640but it is on machine made paper from the 1850s machine not like laser jet or something but you
00:16:03.120know it was made in a paper factory in friesland the jensma even like tracked down the literal
00:16:10.660building it the paper came from um it's consistent with samples from that factory from that time
00:16:17.340the writing is with modern for the 1800s ink using a steel pen or quill
00:16:25.000pencil was used for sketching and arranging um i should have done this before can you get a
00:16:32.880picture of the uh aware linda book runes and throw it up there nick i can keep talking while
00:16:37.760you do um it was never bound properly but it was made to look as if it was as if as if it had been
00:16:47.020like taken out of its original binding and then put back into it so the margins are measured with
00:16:54.760a compass and mark um the justification is that right margin via tildes but it's done poorly with
00:17:01.540odd word breaks the text has non-disruptive gaps in the narrative to create an illusion of age
00:17:07.660so it's like you're reading genesis and then all of a sudden like the the part where it talks about
00:17:14.540um jacob stealing esau's birthright or whatever is just like missing and then it just keeps going
00:17:21.280right um so the book itself is written in the frisian runes which are a novel writing system
00:17:34.140based off of medieval majuscule they have nothing to do with the futhark and they match the writing
00:17:39.360system of then modern 1850s dutch so like um there's like a form so one of the letters in
00:17:48.960that form of dutch is um an a with a diacritic here we go they're based on this idea that you
00:17:56.000there's like a thing at the bottom right that little circle kind of thing is the the all of
00:18:04.080the letters are contained within that right and you can make all of the letters off of this thing
00:18:09.680the circle is a big is an important symbol it's called the yole the yole the circle is an important
00:18:17.040symbol for the society described in the book so if you look at those top left three letters those
00:18:24.720are all a but with diacritics right you can go look at the futhark and ancient greek writing
00:18:34.960to see how ancient peoples treated vowels diacritics are something that the french invented
00:18:40.320in the 1600s well okay the french didn't actually invent them but the way they show up
00:18:46.160in this what this text is doing comes from french invention right so
00:18:51.840So what's important is that these start out very angular and very rigid, but they round
00:18:58.440over time, which is not consistent with someone who knows how to write in a hand consistently.
00:19:05.000Like, yes, if you write an entire book by hand, every single R that shows up is not
00:19:10.980going to be the same, but they're all going to look vaguely similar.
00:19:14.100The drift indicates that the writer of the book, writers, there's multiple, were slowly
00:19:21.760learning how to make these literally there they were muscle memory and how to make these characters
00:19:28.020over time there's a lot of smudges attempts at correcting attempts at scratching out sometimes
00:19:34.680literally like removing paper like a layer of paper to remove an error because the scribes
00:19:43.640were not used to writing in this script but it doesn't show the extreme attention to detail and
00:19:53.880precision that someone who is attempting to copy a text that they don't know how to interpret
00:19:59.400shows this shows up very often in medieval texts where you often hear christians talk about like
00:20:05.440monks preserving knowledge that was usually done by people who were illiterate because scriptoria
00:20:11.380had to be reinvented as europe entered the dark ages and they would basically go to peasants and
00:20:17.280say you see all these sheets with the little scribbles make an exact copy and so there's an
00:20:24.120entire science to what do letters look like if they're made by someone who is illiterate and is
00:20:28.640just copying from memory jews do this with the torah where it has to look extremely specific
00:20:36.380or the entire a single character can make an entire Torah scroll have to be just tossed away
00:20:42.080because it has to be specifically right and the drift in this does not line up with the story that
00:20:50.580uh our Linda gave about this being basically his family's religion passed down for literally like
00:20:58.1804,000 years and defending and saving and copying and preserving this knowledge was supposed to be
00:21:04.700this great family endeavor, which doesn't really seem to bear out. So as I said, the claim is that
00:21:12.880the book itself comes from 1256, but the paper is obviously from 1850. Part of that obvious is that
00:21:20.580it has been artificially aged through chemical means. If you take the paper and like snip it,
00:21:26.020it's white in the center it's even been like burnt a few times um so also if you look in these
00:21:35.580i don't blame you for not being able to see it and i don't know where i'm pointing in the image
00:21:39.720on the screen it has um ligatures th ng these are things that came about due to how latin handles
00:21:48.760these letters the futhark has a character i believe it's the ingwas one that makes the sound
00:21:55.380mmm it makes a distinction between mmm and mmm so like finger was initially
00:22:03.700pronounced fin ger finger is a regular phonological process blah blah blah the
00:22:10.240fact that it doesn't make this distinction is a demonstration that
00:22:13.900there is a drawing from the Latin script right because mmm is a distinct
00:22:18.660phoneme from hmm um there's a this key is from the 46th page but the book says that the writing
00:22:27.120is supposed to be secret and not shown to outsiders um the letter of the letter order
00:22:34.040reflects 19th century academic theories it's not based on the uh alpha beta alpha beta dicarium
00:22:42.900or the futhark um the order the letters are in matters and actually demonstrates the origin of
00:22:50.260a script um so at first the only punctuation is a dot and it's not a period it's like a dot
00:23:00.900if you've seen really old greek you'll recognize what i'm talking about but eventually commas start
00:23:06.100leaking in and spoiler cornellis or dolinda had extremely odd views on how to use a comma
00:23:13.940that show up in this book now granted perhaps he got them from the book
00:23:18.240but they start showing up in the book they aren't a consistent feature so
00:23:24.120again i don't want to be mean and just poo-poo on this book but it's really hard to when you
00:23:32.360are a language nerd and look at this thing. So the language of the Oralinda book is
00:23:40.140archaicized modern Dutch. The best example I could, I could think of is when people try to
00:23:49.060do ye olde Englisheth, and they talk like this, and they put a random eeths and eths at the end
00:23:56.940of every word the reason they're doing that is because they don't understand how for one
00:24:02.900middle english was pronounced but also because verbs you can take the the picture down nick
00:24:09.320they also don't understand how verbs conjugated in middle english so like in middle english you
00:24:16.360would say, I think, I think, you thinkest, he, she, it, thinketh. Thinks comes from a southern
00:24:27.140dialectical variation on th. Shakespeare actually uses both when doing accents, so characters from
00:24:34.640the south of England will say thinkest, and characters from the north of England will say
00:24:39.620thinketh ye older the ye in ye is actually supposed to be a thorn or an eith but
00:24:49.720the printing presses with the printing press was made in germany which didn't use the thorn
00:24:57.160or the eith for that matter and so when when printing presses were imported to england they
00:25:05.580were imported from germany and what scribes had started to do is they had started to uh modify
00:25:12.780the thorn to look like a y spoiler warning you see what's not on this page a thorn you see what
00:25:22.160is on this page raito or a capital r you know what greek does not have raito or capital r
00:25:29.980that shape whatever you know you can see the r on there that comes from a modification of a west
00:25:39.360greek alphabet because row made a w sound in west greek there are multiple greek alphabets
00:25:48.020classicists normalize them to attic to make reading greek easier so you don't have to figure
00:25:54.060out which script are we reading this in so that's a telltale sign that this comes out of western
00:26:01.420europe granted the book claims that europeans come out of the netherlands so okay but um
00:26:12.620as i was saying the in ye older is supposed to be the older the e is a nominative suffix
00:26:20.780Anyways, the fact that most people don't know what I just said is why it's glaringly obvious that the text is not ancient because it's being written in what people in the 1850s in the Netherlands thought was old.
00:26:38.580It's not being written in an archaic language.
00:26:42.980compare modern english and ye old english according to how modern english speakers
00:26:51.580think it was a said back then to old english where there are not just different words
00:26:59.240like the modern english word like shri like shri the instead of move because move comes
00:27:08.120from latin there's not just different words and vocabulary but there's different syntax
00:27:12.200and grammar the oera linda book does not it doesn't have nouns that inflect for case
00:27:18.160right like the oera linda book does not have a dual number the oera linda book has grammar that
00:27:25.860looks like modern dutch and syntax that looks like modern dutch but it sorry it does have
00:27:34.520occasional archaisms thrown on the thrown in on the grammar akin to um trent thou thou speak
00:27:42.180right we don't we don't inflect verbs for the second person singular anymore
00:27:47.120because blah blah blah blah um so the language is entirely modern Dutch with
00:27:54.400archaisms meant to mimic middle Dutch that is in modern Dutch syntax as an
00:28:02.400example in Spanish if you want to say it is it was utilized you would say say
00:28:10.560which is not a construction we use in English we don't use the
00:28:18.780reflexive pronoun to do mediopassive voice there's no kind of syntactic
00:28:25.180differences in Iwera Linda book that you wouldn't see if you just knew Dutch you
00:28:31.760know what old English has pretty grievous syntactic differences from English from
00:28:37.320modern english so the book is also as i said full of errors there's also typos like of the fake
00:28:47.300words like it misspells words that it makes up right now granted people make people make typos
00:28:56.180but you know um there is an editor who went through apparently in like a batch that tried
00:29:08.080to correct a lot of this stuff which again could have been done in 1256 the problem um some of the
00:29:15.340typos are also ones that would never be made by a native native like it makes it it makes typos
00:29:20.620like between n and m like spelling mom n-o-n that that wouldn't that wouldn't happen right
00:29:29.400um these accelerate in the second half the book has a bipartite structure where the first half
00:29:37.540is this fantastical tale with all sorts of really interesting stuff going on and then the second
00:29:44.740half is this slog um kind of like like imagine if the catalog of ships in homer just kept going
00:29:54.360for the rest of the book right but it's not just and then glaucocles his ship was the piercer and
00:30:03.620on it he brought agath machman and you know it's like an actual story that keeps going in a different
00:30:09.440diction right um so the writers lost steam and lost time and had to wind down the narrative
00:30:23.280as it enters into um early antiquity 590 bc and um herb later antiquity 313 bc so
00:30:34.420So, let's talk about the world and society that this book purports, unless you have anything you want to say, sir?
00:30:50.040Yeah, real quick, just before I forget.
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00:31:22.060As far as the Oralinda book history thing, one thing I want to throw in here, and it may be on your notes and I may be jumping the gun,
00:31:27.820But it's what I found particularly interesting, and it'll sort of flesh out kind of some of the background once we get to the theological stuff.
00:31:37.8001850s or 60s, whenever it was in the Netherlands when this was coming around, those of you who are extreme continental Europe history buffs will kind of recognize this as a time when Catholicism and Protestantism, sort of high church versus low church, were really clashing.
00:31:56.320especially in this region. Catholicism was
00:32:00.140sort of making a comeback and the Protestants were really
00:32:03.960unhappy about it because Catholicism is mean and not
00:40:08.820So, this is a totally literate society.
00:40:14.920everyone can read and thus they can read the text they can read the text because if they're also
00:40:21.640also there's the text which is given to them by fria but they're also allowed to make their own
00:40:26.920laws which is interesting because muslim muslims don't believe you can make a law like orthodox
00:40:32.520fundamental muslims and there's a lot of orthodox jews who would agree like yeah you can't make a
00:40:37.020law laws are made by yahweh right if a law is in play for like a hundred years they add it they
00:40:46.100like literally carve it on their their citadel walls right um they are guided by uh ewa an
00:40:55.860inner religious law derived from the monistic and monotheistic deity where alda is in everything
00:41:03.760but also above everything it's not pan it's in it's not panentheism it's not pantheism but it
00:41:13.040is monism because we're all that is in everyone and everything um friday is a holy day which is
00:41:21.620another tell the seven day week comes from the planetary hours which is in ancient babylon if
00:41:30.460you looked up they didn't have they didn't invent light pollution and microplastics yet so you could
00:41:34.960look up in the sky and see the stars and they would move in this big like disc that turns throughout
00:41:42.020the year but then in the disc there's these wandering little dots that move differently
00:41:47.280from the turning of the disc and the greeks the greeks knew that the the dots that move in the
00:41:53.420disk are the asterai, the stars. What do you call a wandering star? Planetos asterai,
00:42:02.780wandering star, planet. So the Babylonians recognized this and they saw that there were
00:42:11.340seven of them, the seven classical planets. So each hour of the day, because the day is 24,
00:42:18.560because you know what you have? Two hands. You can count to 20, or sorry, you can count to 10
00:42:23.120on your fingers right you can count to 12 on one hand if you count the digits 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
00:42:32.30010 11 12 so 24 24 hours in a day each is guided by a planet right so like 3 p.m today is the hour
00:42:44.360of jupiter then 4 p.m is the next in the series going from closest to farthest but wait a minute
00:42:52.640wait a minute seven times three is 21 there's three days left so each day starts there's three
00:43:01.940hours left so each day starts four planets ahead huh well that planet is the planet of the day
00:43:11.620you know what that day is the day of the planet so friday is their holy day named after their
00:43:19.760they're named after fria this mother prophetess figure friday comes from friggs day freeze day
00:43:30.320that itself is an early it comes about in like the 1500 like 150 80. the anglo-saxons decide
00:43:38.880to adopt this system from the romans this happens really early you can tell because of how the words
00:43:45.680are. So Frigg's day comes from the Diez Veneres, the day of Venus. Diez Veneres comes from the
00:43:56.900Hemera Aprodites, the day of Aphrodite. This comes from the planetary hours, because Aphrodite is
00:44:04.320Venus, the planet Venus in this scheme. It's her palace or her chariot. Ancient astronomers
00:44:11.200weren't certain whether the stars were the gods their their houses or their vehicles but they
00:44:18.380doesn't really matter the star the planet venus is aphrodite right right so this is this actually
00:44:26.960does line up theoretically it could have come from the frisians and go to the babylonians but
00:44:33.500It's like there's no there's no reason to attach Freya to Friday, independent of Friday being Frig's Day.
00:44:43.680Right. The social setup is a lot like biblical Israel in that there's a theoretical like master plan, like a tree where things flow out.
00:44:54.200There's the Levites, like a priest cast of these women who who perform these rites that normies don't do.
00:45:02.120they interpret the text they have judicial authority that's another thing uh defolks
00:45:07.620matters have judicial authority they are rabbis in the sense of they are judges judatrixes juda
00:45:14.680judacies whatever top-down organization of localities by a central judicial model
00:45:20.380and this is another thing in the bible there's a lot of consternation amongst the jews about like
00:45:26.920cities as like a discrete unit which is found in these like communistic uh citadel fortresses as
00:45:33.720like a discrete unit um they are however despite having a unelected priestly judiciary democratic
00:45:44.600constitutional city-states as i said with elections and citizenship and universal legal equality
00:45:51.560and prohibitions on inheritance and banditry and firearms ownership um there's stuff about
00:46:00.280i won't get into the lung disease i'll get to that later um they have vast and complex
00:46:05.680irrigation and drainage engineering 4 000 years before the dutch invented that
00:46:11.060because their country is mostly underwater so as i said um the religion is remarkably
00:46:21.460modernist capital m modernist there's a denial of miracles nature and history are riddles that
00:46:29.480god wants us to solve monism diversity belies unity in god and with god struggle and inquiry
00:46:38.440are tools to find the truth there's gender egalitarianism it's literally a matriarchy
00:46:43.040right um so just spoiler warning where do gods come from where does odin fit into this
00:46:53.480the gods of europe are you humorized uh frisians so like athens is founded by minerva who is a
00:47:02.960human woman uh woden is a german chieftain who rejects the texts and all that it it also goes
00:47:12.920on with stuff like jesus and buddha like all modern religions descend from ancient frisian wisdom
00:47:19.320jesus was just repeating the ancient teachings of the frisians and if you look hard enough you can
00:47:23.720find the truth it treats polytheistic deities and i mean to a to like a degree like axial age
00:47:31.080prophets like jokes buddha he didn't have any original ideas it's all phrygia that's a joke
00:47:37.560but it treats were alda with dead theological seriousness and academic rigor were alda is god
00:47:46.500like in the way in 1850s academic protestant would go into a college and talk to theology
00:47:55.800students about god right um this is a bit more about the theology in society my notes are really
00:48:04.700scattered on this i apologize so there's descent from three mothers whites yellows blacks um
00:48:10.300there's a 3 000 year freedom and slavery cycle right there's a contradiction between man's desire
00:48:20.740for man's nature as free and man's desire for tyranny which we'll get into god is above and in
00:48:27.080the world science reads god's thoughts reason and morality are innate and from god and every time i
00:48:33.400say God here just insert we're all because it's just control F replace
00:48:37.300they but it's that's just what it is sorry so there's three stages of
00:48:46.000progress that we see in this text there's a state of nature a legal state
00:48:50.800and then inner moral freedom and conscience keep that word in your mind
00:48:54.700conscience that's important so where where does it all go wrong because when
00:49:02.320we see Frisia show up in the historical record it is no offense Dutchman I don't mean to be rude
00:49:11.600but a relatively minor uh lowland coastal province that is harassed by its neighbors
00:49:19.420so where does it all go wrong the answer is in the great enemy the magi the
00:49:29.420i won't use the p word here the magi the magi are this secret like priestly conspiracy and
00:49:40.800they take over the magyars and enslave the fins and the fins are the super weapon used against
00:49:48.440the Frisians. So there's a great concern with tyranny that runs through this text and man's
00:50:00.600inner freedom, freedom as a defining characteristic of man. So I don't, all right, now we're going to
00:50:09.700get into being a little more little c critical here. So where do I have it in here? Magi is a
00:50:15.700play on words. Magi, Magyaren, Magyars, but also Magi, Magi, which both means, which means magic,
00:50:26.260right? Um, where's the word that the, where's the Finn word in here? Um, it's, it's got a J where
00:50:35.240there shouldn't be a J. So, um, despite talking about the Fins, it describes the, uh, oh, here we
00:50:42.640go. The Frisians fight the Finns, right? Fin, Finan, is a slur for orthodox pro-supernatural
00:50:52.680Protestants. This text is, remember I said it's theory fiction? It's a bunch of allegories.
00:50:59.980It's not quite a Romain à clef, which is a funny French word meaning novel with a key.
00:51:08.580um uh where is it in my notes uh yeah so a uh roman a clay is a literary genre of where
00:51:20.560not based on a real story any comparison to real life is pure coincidence it's a work of fiction
00:51:28.140by the way the author wrote a key and if you get your hands on it you can see who all these people
00:51:33.360are supposed to be. Modern examples are The Devil Wears Prada and House of Cards. Every character in
00:51:39.320there is a real-life person and commentary on them by the author, and if you have the key, you can
00:51:44.500find the real story. Like this was a literary genre. People would make these novels, and then
00:51:50.300like the author would release the key after a few years of people playing with it. A question people
00:51:57.060have with this book is okay it's a hoax it's a forgery it's a fake whatever it's 190 pages
00:52:05.340in a fake alphabet why did they do that people didn't have video games in 1850
00:52:11.100there are a lot of books in europe starting in like the 1500s onwards that exist as a game it's
00:52:20.480a puzzle you're supposed to have fun with it you're supposed to toy with it you're supposed
00:52:23.220take it apart and then talk about it with your buddies there are a lot of these little art
00:52:28.180project game puzzle books that come about um so in light of that it's not necessarily odd that
00:52:35.460this thing exists because things like this exist they existed in europe um
00:52:42.900Um, this book is a big allegory for the, I'm going to butcher this word, um, Richtengestried, which is a complex conflict between the Orthodox and Modernist Protestants and the looming distant tyrannical figure of the Pope.
00:53:09.680the pope pope dig on fish hat so why do we think it's a real why does anyone say oh this is a real
00:53:20.360thing because of that ought my guy so now we're going to get into a little bit of uh unveiling
00:53:27.460sir do you want me to do the word nerdery or do you want me to get into like the
00:53:32.140the actual kind of story first because i got i got a bunch of stuff on the word nerdery that i
00:53:36.080could go off on uh if you want to do questions from the audience we can uh let me throw some
00:53:43.960stuff in there real quick and uh yeah then we'll i think the story will be good to go over first
00:53:49.540though because the story is interesting like just to be clear if this book were like published and
00:53:56.960the guy was like this is fiction but it's almost historical kinda and it's a novel but it's
00:54:02.020openly fiction and it was fun to write it would make a great book or like revealed to me in a
00:54:09.060dream sure like yeah it'd be a great uh for you younger guys out there it'd be a great video game
00:54:16.820frankly i'd i would uh i would love to watch the sinking of atland and you know on a ps5 or
00:54:23.940whatever um but yeah uh stuff i was gonna get into so ralda their creator god uh there's kennings
00:54:33.960used for him in there one of them is all father which anyone watching this is likely familiar with
00:54:40.160right um and hence the connection to uh freya or frig which is interesting because the one
00:54:47.800monotheistic creator god is like a male i mean like why would you call a mother goddess all
00:54:52.680father, but it's a matriarchy. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to relate to the vestal
00:55:01.620virgins of Rome is my understanding. And I mean, you know, we had Githyr and our folk have always
00:55:08.640had priestesses, not just priests. So whatever, I guess. Nothing against women or saying women
00:55:16.940couldn't do what these uh burg maidens did in the orlinda book but it doesn't make it any less fake
00:55:25.260uh so with ralda his name means world and so that kind of ties him to frayer as well because one of
00:55:35.660frayer's kennings my favorite of his is uh varalda good uh god of the world and that may or may not
00:55:43.580be where they got the inspiration for the name ralda they may have just gotten it because it
00:55:47.500means world and there's this uh the idea that chris explained about ralda created everything
00:55:54.460and is everything uh there's also this bit in there i i'm sure it's near the beginning i can't
00:56:02.620remember exactly where but it kind of says all good things come from ralda if it comes from ralda
00:56:07.900it is not good it comes from mankind ralda can do no wrong etc stuff you'd hear from christians right
00:56:23.260well i forgot the other thing i was going to say you can go oh yeah so some of the
00:56:30.620some of the names they use for countries or places are like just a little off like folk
00:56:35.820etymology level off from what they're actually called and it's pretty fascinating to be fair
00:56:42.380uh the atland one is interesting because it's they mean atlantis but it's also there's some
00:56:50.860old record where like a greek explorer maybe uh referred to scandinavia or sweden as atland
00:56:58.540and i'd have to do some more searching on that and pull it up uh but yeah so it could refer to
00:57:05.740atlantis or sweden or whatever um but sweden didn't sink so it's they mean atlantis but it's
00:57:12.620fascinating because the germanic people did come from sweden so and just regarding atlantis real
00:57:18.700quick plato says it was beyond the pillars of hercules so people typically posit today the the
00:57:25.420usual positing of where it was supposed to be in Plato's imagination was in the middle of the
00:57:31.160Atlantic Ocean um but the where the the pillars of Hercules um today refers to the area where
00:57:41.660Spain and Algeria kind of kind of touch each other um uh Algeria America whatever where Spain touches
00:57:49.460africa but it's um also theorized the pillars of hercules also refers to a place farther in the
00:57:56.180mediterranean on like the libyan coast so it's more likely that plato thought this but the other
00:58:03.840problem is that like atlantis is supposed to be huge plato gives like a size estimate and it's
00:58:08.360like a big this is like europe sized it's like australia you know um so the north north europe
00:58:16.840the north atlantic thesis where they're because they have to come it has to be like in the north
00:58:22.040sea between britain and scandinavia for them to make landfall on in frisia you know like they're
00:58:30.060not going to sail from like antarctica to frisia like um so where is atlantis supposed to be
00:58:39.240is an open question which is kind of how this can be said like now plato isn't super clear
00:58:45.980where Atlantis was right um so as I said the basic story of this is that Cornelis over to Linda
00:58:54.620gets the book gets the book from his aunt um his aunt then gives it to Ilko Virwis who then gives
00:59:05.340it to um to uh Johan Winkler Winkler was for a brief period of time like oh boy this is such a
00:59:15.260cool thing i can't wait to tell my bosses and then he spends like a year reading it and comes
00:59:19.540to the conclusion that it's a crock of you know he he gives it to his buddy uh jan gerhardus
00:59:27.360atma who three days later jan runs up to to johan in a manic fury after johan is getting out of
00:59:37.820church and he says johan this is genius we have to tell the world and johan says my god man you
00:59:44.860read that in three days because like it took him a year to read this thing and like pick through it
00:59:49.820and come to the conclusion that it's book right atma was obsessed with this book so
00:59:56.700um the creation theory before we get into the publication of this book so johan winkler spent
01:00:07.420a lot of time looking into who the heck made this this is um what i'm going to relay here is uh
01:00:18.800um goff yensma relaying the the the genealogy of this is what i would call i want to call the
01:00:27.800expanded winkler theory but i think there's enough evidence that you can just say this is just the
01:00:32.020truth right so the aware linda book is the product of two people and one man by proxy maybe with a
01:00:42.900fourth guy involved but he wasn't really involved in writing in much of the content directly so
01:00:48.240there's two main players here cornellis over to linden who is the uh the guy whose family owned
01:00:56.500the book. He's the owner. He was a man who dreamed of a great Frisian past. He had a lot of ideas.
01:01:04.640He wrote essays about them. Those essays show up in the Oralinda book. They show up in a very
01:01:10.520polished form in the Oralinda book. And there's bits of deuterocanonical lore in his essays. So
01:01:17.580like there's this name um abele like the name abele referring to woden is in um uh over to
01:01:26.000linda's drafts um king frank king of the franks that's in delinda's drafts or over to linda's
01:01:35.240drafts um athens degenerating after minerva leaves in the drafts um the the assumption
01:01:44.060that winkler made that gens that jensma then backs up is that um over to linda had a prior
01:01:53.020text given to him by someone over to lend over to linda then took this text and rewrote rewrote it
01:02:00.180on the in the runes on the faked old paper um partially that's backed up by the fact that in
01:02:09.620over to linda's house after he died people found more of this paper more of this like blank
01:02:16.600faked old paper with the margins and where the the page numbers were supposed to go and all that
01:02:24.920so it's like he made too much paper and he just never got rid of it to be fair i don't think he
01:02:30.960expect to be fair as we will see in the story he clearly didn't expect people to be digging
01:02:35.500through his house to find out the truth about this after he died right so over to linda was
01:02:41.920a dreamer he loved frisia he dreamed of a glorious frisian past he was also a theological modernist
01:02:48.480um to use it in to use uh modern parlance theological modernism is the proper term
01:02:58.300for being a cocky pseudo-atheist if you're a protestant um he wasn't a good writer he was
01:03:06.520not a very strong writer there's no shame in that it's a weakness that afflicts some people
01:03:10.560but um he wasn't a strong writer and the orlinda book isn't bad writing we'll see about who is a
01:03:19.680strong writer later one thing i said is he had this bizarre punctuation habit he'd put commas
01:03:26.760and periods at the start of the next line right so it wouldn't be like sentence sentence sentence
01:03:33.400sentence comma next line it'd be sentence sentence sentence sentence sentence next line or sentence
01:03:39.400sentence sentence like line break comma next line and you do that with periods and he does this
01:03:48.880happens in both the oyer linda book and in his normal writing this bizarre and to be fair maybe
01:03:57.240he got it from the oyer linda book maybe maybe um the oyer linda book has a lot of odd hyphenations
01:04:07.780like in the middle of words as if it's trying to do some kind of fanciful noun compounding
01:04:15.640but sometimes it's just like of a regular word like putting a hyphen in the middle of the word
01:04:23.420dictionary between the i and the o like that's not that that what cornellis over to linda did
01:04:32.700that in his normal writing he bungled um the cht cluster in his normal writing coincidentally
01:04:41.820that shows up in the Oralinda book. Worst of all, his grandson's niche. His grandson said,
01:04:49.360yeah, my grandpa made this up because it made our family famous. And yeah. So
01:04:56.220there's another character we have to talk about, however. That man is Francois Haverschmidt,
01:05:04.480aka um perhaps better known by his um his pen name pete paulians so francois hober schmidt
01:05:13.980was a vicar and poet a vicar means like intermediary of the pope is the vicar of god
01:05:21.140he's the the intermediary of god's will on earth but in protestantism it just means like pastor
01:05:27.680minister priest the guy who handles a parish is the vicar right so haver schmidt was a modernist
01:05:36.480um big on science big on rationality reason not big on doctrinaire not big on dogma priests
01:05:45.420tyranny centralization not a big fan of any of that he was also deeply into frisian nationalism
01:05:53.080and Frisian prehistory um Frisian history like starts relatively late because not many people
01:06:01.520were writing about the Netherlands circa like 980 it's just a fact um you'll notice I said he
01:06:10.680had a pen name more like an alter ego Haverschmidt wrote a lot of satires and whimsical allegorical
01:06:20.120fancy is under the pen name Pete Paltjens. Pete Paltjens made multiple mytho-historical tales to
01:06:32.260convey theology. He had a bifurcated theology, Haberschmidt did. On the one hand, he was very
01:06:39.920focused on rationalism. Science is the tool by which we understand the will of God. He was also
01:06:47.060big on this idea of inner conscience conscience is really big amongst protestants in the germanic
01:06:53.140world because simply put conscience is what you call it when you think the pope is completely
01:06:59.380wrong and a dummy but the pope he's the pope the the heir of saint peter he has the key which at
01:07:08.380one time meant like a literal physical key that the pope would theoretically use to open a gate
01:07:12.360to let your soul into heaven you have to do what the pope says he has the key i cannot my conscience
01:07:19.260right you see a lot about conscience in uh 20th 19th century germanic texts because it's a
01:07:29.340protestant affectively how do you disagree how do you justify disagreeing with the pope
01:07:34.120mankind have men have souls my soul is telling me i have to disagree with the pope right
01:07:41.420so francois haverschmidt was a a student of i want to get this guy's full name um
01:07:50.080uh where is it uh jan hendrik schulten and later of a man by the name of huikas i couldn't find
01:07:57.860huikas's first name it doesn't really matter schulten is where the rationalism comes from
01:08:02.680huikas is where the inner conscience comes from schulten almost drove francois haverschmidt to
01:08:10.260atheism, like real atheism. Hoikas kept him in religion by, through the monism, God is in
01:08:18.420everyone. God is where you get your soul from. God is where you get your conscience from.
01:08:24.420Haberschmidt was a modernist, a liberal, a progressive. He did a wedding ceremony where
01:08:28.600God has fatherly and motherly characteristics. That is absolutely verboten in the orthodox,
01:08:36.080supernatural believing in protestant church of his day yes supernatural believing in
01:08:43.120francois haverschmidt denied the existence of miracles in the supernatural so
01:08:48.580the winkler theory aka the truth is that francois haverschmidt wrote the initial
01:08:59.780Oerolinda book, the Ur Oerolinda book, or rather the first half. Then Cornelis Oerolinda took that
01:09:09.760Ur manuscript and rewrote it in the Oerolinda book script, and that would explain why there's
01:09:19.560so many errors in this, why it seems like he's haphazardly, he doesn't put F on every third
01:09:28.420person indicative present now right no speaker of the language he is purporting would do that
01:09:36.500no speaker of modern english would drop these on a third person present singular indicative now
01:09:43.460they just wouldn't do it right hoverschmidt's theology um and through him schultans is
01:09:52.420is omnipresent throughout the text once you start looking for it so um in a lot of ways the
01:09:59.580or linda books cosmology is a one-to-one of um like the theological cosmology is a one-to-one
01:10:06.140of schulton and haverschmidt's the monotheistic creator god the hyper emphasis on rationalism
01:10:12.500the extreme focus on freedom inner conscience the commune ism the ancient the ancient frisian past
01:10:19.400Right. Including and this is an interesting tell the 3000 year freedom slavery cycles.
01:10:25.520The world goes through this cycle cycle of like every 3000 years we start at like the golden age of freedom and then we fall into slavery and tyranny and then we rise up and back to freedom.
01:10:38.340and i'm not doing a circle but you get the idea the contradiction of man's desire for tyranny
01:10:46.100and the nature of freedom is something that shows up shows up in schulton um the story of
01:10:54.500there's this maiden named troost who builds a shelter step by step and it's a big allegory um
01:11:01.060it's a big allegory for what do i have it as an allegory for i gotta get to it here we go
01:11:04.820building the shelter step by step is an allegory for man growing divine potential by creating
01:11:11.280element by by the shelter is freedom the more freedom you have from tyranny the closer you are
01:11:17.780to god get it she's sheltered from the elements she's sheltered from tyranny freedom right um
01:11:27.360haverschmidt made the initial ur or linda then and cornellis over to linden then translated it
01:11:38.220into he antiquified it so he takes this text to ilko virwis who is this bookish uh bit of a spurg
01:11:48.860kind of a character who is on the one hand humoring over to linden about getting this sent to the
01:11:56.380archives which is a government office keep that in mind um he wasn't super he wasn't as critical
01:12:05.740of the text as he should have been he kind of played a middleman he probably would have gotten
01:12:09.900a bit of a financial compensation had this turned out to have been real and gotten absorbed by the
01:12:15.180public just saying um he doesn't appear to have been crazy or like malicious but he did not do
01:12:22.860his due diligence as a scholar, particularly one who is supposed to do preliminary research on the
01:12:29.400authenticity of certain documents and include that in his reports. He didn't vouch for the
01:12:36.160authenticity of the book, but he didn't deny it when he saw problems. That's an important point.
01:12:43.140So Ruiz sends it to Winkler. Winkler sends it to Otma. Otma is why Haverschmidt
01:12:54.260and doesn't admit the ruse. So Jan Gerhardus Otma becomes a believer in 1870.
01:13:02.040Jensma calls him a convert because this becomes his religion.
01:13:09.780so uh when otma comes out he he completely tarnishes his reputation he was very important
01:13:21.280scholar of his day trashes his reputation some people thought this is he is such a dumb
01:13:28.700words i'm not going to say and offend the southerners that are listening such a moron for
01:13:34.480this how could he do this they thought he had to be in on it they thought he had to be trying to do
01:13:38.620this as like a scam to get money because it's just how can he how can he believe this but he
01:13:44.500believed it he was a religious believer in how did you pronounce the name sir were all the bralda
01:13:50.560uh yeah i just i've heard it pronounced ralda so i say ralda yeah he is a true believer in ralda
01:13:57.980um a few other even i'm not going to be mean to the person i want to the person i want to
01:14:06.420compare him to is not listening to this program, but I'm not going to be mean and say it, but
01:14:10.080a few other evangelical weak-willed conservatives followed suit. Ralda served as a way for them to
01:14:18.660have an out. They were too chicken to oppose modernism, but they didn't want to throw away
01:14:26.180religion. They didn't want to be atheists, but they also didn't want to say like, no really guys,
01:14:31.340yahweh will smite you if you disagree and so bralda served as an out um
01:14:37.580atma was a true believer he edited classical texts like herodotus to bring them in line with
01:14:45.800the truth like he got a copy of herodotus and went through with a pen and corrected it
01:14:50.860because the oerolinda book does not lie this book for him was religious revelation it was his bible
01:14:59.440um he had he he's the one that coined the term the o'erra lindebook we call it that because of him
01:15:07.040right um the o'erra lindebook back um he produced a bad translation of the book to modern dutch
01:15:18.460translating it from the archaic antiquified pseudo old dutch it was very bad he smoothed
01:15:26.180over a lot of the puns and jokes that are in the book that you can see if you read it in like the
01:15:33.340original um because he's doing an extremely literalist bordering on reinterpretation he had
01:15:41.840an odd non-analytical historiography he treated the past as fact and not fiction history is a
01:15:49.660series of stories we tell based on evidence but for atma history was like you can just go to
01:15:58.500germany you can just walk there and see the the lederhosen and the debatwurst and die frauen
01:16:05.540right as if like this because remember like let's let's just take off our skeptic hats for a minute
01:16:13.920here this is a text claiming to be like ancestral wisdom passed down through the generations
01:16:18.860it has gaps in it right like like the book on its own terms has to be accepted as an incomplete
01:16:24.820story because it's there's gaps in the narrative right like the gap happens and then 10 years later
01:16:31.580100 years later right so atma's public binary reframed the debate away from this is a joke
01:16:40.320this is a hoax this is some kind of something with this it's not to this is a fortune this is
01:16:47.580a hoax to this is a matter of this is a lie right the middle position of it's it's like a puzzle
01:16:56.840you're supposed to solve the puzzle and see that the the thing inside was just completely smoothed
01:17:02.220over because it was either truth or lies as a scholarly matter not a matter of literary
01:17:09.220interpretation and again he was a man of status and position in dutch academic society so he
01:17:17.900quadrupled down when people were like bro what are you doing um wan pier that's where the word
01:17:25.220vampire comes from the arabic arabic calligraphy remnants of frisian script prehistoric telegraphs
01:17:35.100The ancient Dutchman had prehistoric telegraphs and, like, apparently prehistoric firearms, given that they had laws prohibiting their usage, right?
01:17:45.020He would sign letters in the dating system based on, like, years since the fall of Atlan.
01:17:50.780He had a copy of the book that he had on his nightstand that he would sleep next to.
01:17:59.040He twice recopied the book in the script, one page per day, as, like, a religious meditative act.
01:18:04.760which i'm not making fun of him for doing that like as a thing like that's a super based idea
01:18:11.200i've thought about doing that with like the hop them all but like with the book like you know he
01:18:15.580converted to this as his religion he tried to make a dictionary of the fake language and grammar
01:18:20.600um he also created uh i think the proper term is like pf fraud like pious frauds like he made
01:18:30.740fake older versions of things to defend the book um and he also circulated false accusations like
01:18:37.800there was a i didn't write down the guy's name because it doesn't it's a who cares thing but
01:18:41.220a famous classicist died right and then he circulated false accusations
01:18:46.600from like anonymous skeptics that that was the guy who wrote it
01:18:51.280because look look at how dumb the opposition is they think this nonsense you can clearly see this
01:18:57.140guy didn't write it because he wasn't in the country at the time you know like that kind of
01:19:01.440a thing like making up nonsense to smear the opposition he quintupled down on the authenticity
01:19:08.580of this so why didn't haverschmidt come out haverschmidt was um a number of things the victim
01:19:18.280of a catastrophic pr failure on this part this book was now when atma got involved this book
01:19:25.060became an international and national controversy this was a big deal in in the Netherlands it was
01:19:31.200the subject of academic debate it was the subject of a religious scandal like the Protestants are
01:19:38.680arguing about whether or not God zaps people with lightning and all of a sudden there's like
01:19:42.660matriarchal communistic neo-pagans as like that's like something they have to think about now like
01:19:47.960this was like a big deal um it was also a nationalist thing i don't mean to be mean to
01:19:55.580the dutch but why isn't the netherlands part of germany like no really like if you look at dutch
01:20:03.820it's about as far from hockdeutsch as bavarian is give or take i'm not a you know what i mean here
01:20:09.320it's like all of the little dialects of german dutch could be one of them in another timeline
01:20:14.900why isn't it the dutch identity as a distinct ethno-nationalist phenomena is relatively young
01:20:21.120and the dutch were very defensive of their sovereignty from you know papal rule from
01:20:27.500from germany from england from spain from the pope and so this like guys everyone descends from
01:20:37.000the dutch was a big deal for an ethnos that was still relatively young and still undecided in a
01:20:44.940lot of of what what does it mean to be dutch does it mean being a matriarchal communist
01:20:50.580it could be you know the the question wasn't resolved um and of course the government was
01:21:00.520involved. Remember how I said archivist? Remember how I compared it to the Register of Deeds? You
01:21:06.920know what it is if you go to the Register of Deeds and you make a deed that someone didn't sign?
01:21:12.260It's fraud. That's a crime. You get in a lot of trouble. But we're Americans, so we only care
01:21:18.840about money. In the Netherlands, you know what it is if you bring a faked ancient document at the
01:21:24.080time? I don't know if they still do this, but you know what it is if you bring a faked ancient
01:21:27.900document to the the local archivist it's fraud you get in trouble you go to whatever their
01:21:35.180equivalent of prison is at this time it's probably like a workhouse where you like have to turn a
01:21:40.140crank to work a pump that like keeps the levy from flooding or something right you have a minimum
01:21:46.540you have to pay a lot of money and you're never allowed near a college again or to church because
01:21:52.300remember francois hoverschmidt yeah he's a liberal yeah he's a cock on the issue of miracles
01:21:59.160he's a priest that is his job he went to seminary he makes a living because every day little dutch
01:22:08.020grannies put their their uh netherland marks their their whatever the money is called over
01:22:15.040there in the till right if this guy gets caught writing matriarchal neo-pagan communist fan fiction
01:22:24.900or worse actual pagan theology he not only loses his job he gets labeled a heretic
01:22:33.220the netherlands was only a short period away from that resulting in him dying like getting thrown
01:22:41.840in a metal cage and burnt to death for like no one wants this to happen like the oyer linden book
01:22:50.180no one in the netherlands wanted this so when it happens it's a big deal unfortunately
01:22:57.160atma quadruples down and over to linden also does too because now he's a celebrity because now he's
01:23:06.500the scion of this ancient lineage kings he was kings they was kings literally over to linden's
01:23:13.680bloodline is like cornell's over to linden this book claims is descended from an ancient lineage
01:23:19.860of like scribal priest kings keeping secret knowledge given to man by god like he's basically
01:23:26.820a minor prophet if not a major prophet go on sir how dare you call over to linden's ancestors
01:23:34.860priests all right that's like a big insult yeah it's this odd anti well not odd for the time i
01:23:43.240guess but the issue with priests i think like it might be the opening line of the orlinda book is
01:23:49.340like aki my son never let the eyes of a priest or a monk go over these writings or some such
01:23:56.300yeah and there's this anti-catholic thing in there because catholicism is uh what's called
01:24:03.760high church um a great example our listeners will be familiar with the afa is high church we have
01:24:10.560an ulterior go through we have the witten the gothar we have folk builders we have a structured
01:24:15.200hierarchy we have centralization um an autocracy etc uh that's what the catholic church was
01:24:24.000i guess it still is kind of um i think it still is the touchstone in christianity there's no
01:24:29.120no one hired church these days yeah well so that's that's kind of what they're what they're
01:24:40.640going for with the whole the freeans or fryans frisians however you want to pronounce it um
01:24:46.100sort of rebelling and stepping away from the uh what the priests the magi magiars whatever they
01:24:58.420call them in the oral in the book so real quick here just to kind of go back i sort of touched
01:25:03.400on this and now we can now we can actually say the bit so the magi maggie is magic in dutch
01:25:13.340so miracles the supernatural it's magic right these are the magicians they literally like
01:25:21.260trick people with magic um the frisians the freeans the free folk they use weapons of iron
01:25:28.100but the devilish magian people those asiatics the yellow ones they use weapons of gold they're weak
01:25:35.640but deceptively pretty magic right um so the frisians fight the finns aka the the phenin
01:25:44.980that's a slur that the more uh uh secular protestants would use for the pro-supernatural
01:25:53.480orthodox protestants so you can kind of think like like like silicon valley very liberal jews
01:26:01.740looking at like hasids you know like in new york right like there is a split here and it's not
01:26:10.200like they dressed differently right this is a cultural religious separation that's going on
01:26:16.320and it is kind of like a fight for like what does the dutch ethnos look like
01:26:20.660if you were an alien and you came down and you looked at mark zuckerberg and like
01:26:25.300you know the heavy like the you know moses in in new york you would not be
01:26:32.800it wouldn't be a wrong idea to think that these are two ethnic two different ethnic groups because
01:26:37.340they kind of are right so the the magi have like um the fins as their minions well they first what
01:26:45.920they do is they first they conquer the Hungarians, the Magyars, and then they
01:26:52.340conquer the the Finns. So the Pope conquers the Asiatic hordes and uses
01:27:03.160them to enlist the minionship of the Orthodox Protestants against the free
01:27:09.220thinking liberal protestants right the free people against the magic believers and the
01:27:19.380the superstitious bumpkins but you see what i mean like like this is a pun right atma's
01:27:28.660literalist translation however like if you translate the the free people to the frisians
01:27:36.100um academics think that like frisians actually comes from like the frizzy ones because they'd
01:27:43.500like spike their hair up in a celtic fashion um i don't i don't know well it's it's more sensible
01:27:49.800than the free folk if you look at other tribal names of germanic peoples like like the sword
01:27:54.860people the spear people the one the ones who pour out you know the strong guys right like
01:28:00.160that's not right that's something that gets on my nerves but the orlinda book too is it uses a lot
01:28:06.520of folk etymology and people back then did do that but that doesn't make folk etymology correct
01:28:13.280right um another comparison to plato plato does a lot of like ah yes tartarus it sounds like
01:28:19.560like tartarus which is a word for for misty it's the misty place which is forgivable if you like
01:28:26.680live in ancient greece and going to the next city-state over is hard but you know you know
01:28:34.520like we'll get into the words in a minute we'll get into the words um but like just so just to
01:28:39.500go back to what i was saying real quick the free people they're fighting the magic users and the
01:28:46.800tyrannical priesthood who enlists the help of the superstitious ones that is completely glossed
01:28:55.100over if you just say the frisians fight the finns and the magyars who are working for i mean when i
01:29:02.140hear magi i think of like persian priests like zoroastrian clergymen because i'm a bit of a nerd
01:29:07.380but like if you bring up the magi to the average american they'll think like oh yeah those three
01:29:11.620dudes that brought jesus a bunch of smelly stuff and gold which they're zoroastrian priests like
01:29:18.160they're not wrong for thinking that they just don't get the full picture of it um
01:29:22.400so over to linda takes this and and just runs with it and he's he is writing with atma and
01:29:35.080enhancing the story and and making the situation worse um i don't mean
01:29:45.380so let's talk about francois haverschmidt's inner life he was a man who suffered from depression his
01:29:51.780entire life he was always moody he was always emotionally unstable he was prone to incredible
01:29:56.780self-doubt he always felt socially inadequate he was very prone to guilt he killed himself in 1894
01:30:02.600i don't know if it was because of this but i imagine he felt he's a man who feels guilty
01:30:09.200easily he perpetrated a hoax put two and two together i'm not saying he killed himself because
01:30:14.080of the oi relinda book but you know this could not have helped his mental state he's already
01:30:19.600squeaking by a very dubious and dangerous religious and ethnic conflict and then oh
01:30:26.920by the way the neo-pagan fanfic you wrote yeah it's in the news right and probably he came out
01:30:35.080if he came out and admitted it when atma went public and became like a convert and over to
01:30:39.880linden was quadrupling down he would go to jail he would suffer legal consequences for having
01:30:45.300written the er draft that over to linden then antiquified um do you want to talk about something
01:30:53.940sir while i go on go through my notes here to see if there's anything more i should say before we get
01:30:58.040into the uh like the words just kind of like yeah sure uh so i'm just gonna rip the band-aid
01:31:08.760off uh the old seragothi always says on here truth is one of our virtues uh there is some
01:31:14.940anti-catholic stuff in here and there's some anti-jewish stuff in here and you know fair enough
01:31:22.060uh but it's i gotta think about how it words it in the book it's something about like there were
01:31:31.440um frisians that sailed east or some such and their language changed and they became
01:31:40.860broad-skinned and curly-haired and enjoyed putting rings of gold in their ears and then they
01:31:48.480they came back and started uh spreading spreading their false faith among our folk which is
01:31:55.980like four layers of irony a little bit if you think about it because christianity is
01:32:00.680exactly what they just described um also there's parts where they refer to fenda's folk which
01:32:11.260as we mentioned is asians i think it also when they're talking about jews they
01:32:16.580they mean they say fenda's folk i could be wrong on that though so let's real quick run down the
01:32:23.500i don't mean to be mean to the dutch i feel bad saying that for like the fifth time but
01:32:29.300they'll be all right why isn't the netherlands the capital of the world
01:32:33.680right so here's a freedom of freedom so why does this utopian society fail
01:32:43.140magi and magi and magian corruption causes cracks and fissures to form and the rise of tyranny and
01:32:51.260patriarchy so patriarchy inheritance the men start getting uppity and hysterical and
01:32:58.920local rulers import foreign customs to centralized power they disobey the texts
01:33:04.560they disobey um free as values so the the there is actually an over male figure it is um friso
01:33:13.020who is the uh you know how the prisons from india you know how um is it is it abraham
01:33:23.020gets renamed to yisrael when he makes the covenant with yahweh so like the whole all of his
01:33:30.260descendants are yisrael because they are the descendants of the guy named yisrael the house
01:33:35.720of yisrael right so the frisians are like that with friso who is whereas fria is the feminine
01:33:43.320prophetess saint of this society friso is the male counterpart in as much as he's like
01:33:51.600you the reader are supposed to look at friso and be like ah value virtue freedom right he's the guy
01:34:01.480you're supposed to emulate because you can't you can't emulate fria um they disobey the text and
01:34:08.380they disobey friso's values right this is a parable about christianity because you were saying sir
01:34:16.240Like, Christians went to Africa and, like, bullied and harassed Africans into taking up Christianity.
01:34:23.700It's not like the Dutch weren't aware of that.
01:34:26.900The Netherlands had a colonial empire.
01:34:29.260There were people who were critical of this.
01:34:31.360And, I mean, it's hard to talk about, like, my inner conscience.
01:34:35.740I must disobey the pope and then turn around and be like, oh, hey, but you guys over there, you got to obey me.
01:34:43.480I don't have to obey the pope, but you got to obey me.
01:34:46.240There were Dutchmen who were opposed to the colonial imposition of Christianity upon African colonial and imperial subjects.
01:34:56.120And this is really critical of the imposition of Christianity upon people.
01:35:04.720It's a Christian priest saying that Christianity spread through subversion, the importation of foreign customs, and helping people centralize power when they shouldn't have.
01:35:14.840And is that a criticism of African colonialism, or is it a criticism of Constantine, Clovis, and Trigvison? I mean, yes. Like, I don't know what to tell you.
01:35:29.780um so should we do some questions or do you want me to go on to the word nerding because
01:35:41.780after the word nerding i want to go into where does this go after opma yeah let's do let's do
01:35:48.480some questions uh real quick folk builder ron boardman uh bought us five coffees 25 i don't
01:35:57.460know why they can't just call it that but that's all right uh those are that's some awesome clip
01:36:06.240art um i think it's my finest work it's my finest work uh austin asks a little bit after the loyal
01:36:20.700saxons episode but why do you think the anglo-saxons were so vulnerable during the viking age
01:36:26.440why were the danes able to be so successful so uh being 90 something percent english that's a fun
01:36:33.920subject for me uh the anglo-saxons were so vulnerable during the viking age because
01:36:38.820like our modern anglo-saxon leadership here in america or in britain or anywhere in the anglosphere
01:36:45.400uh there was kind of a certain amount of like stratification might be the right word between
01:36:55.520the nobility and royalty of the saxons and the peasantry and well there's two issues there's that
01:37:06.760and where the leaders have become so kind of detached from the idea of actually caring for
01:37:15.500their people um so being a leader is supposed to be an oath right you your people let you lead
01:37:27.440and you protect them essentially and the anglo-saxons knew this well at first anyway
01:37:33.180the also true ones did the first couple generations of the christian ones did
01:37:36.900but by the time of the viking age that had kind of changed and we start seeing something more
01:37:43.100similar to high medieval ages kingship um in that it leaders just weren't looking out for their
01:37:53.980people essentially in most cases and so if the vikings were able to take over a few villages
01:38:00.980and raid a few different places before the uh local elderman or thane or whatever started to
01:38:06.280care well then the vikings had already made that much progress the other issue is just kind of
01:38:12.320logistics one um england had you know not unified of course uh they had just gotten to the point
01:38:23.360where they were all agreeing that they were english essentially but they still weren't one
01:38:27.700kingdom of england you know they had at this point it was essentially northumbria mercia
01:38:33.520wessex east anglia and so the very very first attack by viking raiders is not at linda's farm
01:38:45.680like many people claim but it was in portland in i think mercia anyway um so the anglo-saxons had
01:38:55.620traded with danes before they were cousin people they knew the danes they could speak to the danes
01:38:59.840language was mutually intelligible it's kind of like meeting someone from your side of the united
01:39:04.400states right and so a danish ship comes by real quick just to say um jackson crawford and simon
01:39:12.480roper i believe that's his name um jackson crawford is an academic who studies the old
01:39:18.400norse language um medieval technically he's a scholar of medieval scandinavian literature
01:39:24.000um simon roper is i don't believe he's a doctor but i'm pretty certain he's some kind of academic
01:39:29.120he studies old english and both of them are able to communicate in these languages i mean roughly
01:39:34.960you know but they can speak them off they can speak them from their head and they did a thing
01:39:39.760where they would actually they met i don't know if they met up or if they did it digitally but
01:39:43.680they had a conversation in their languages and once they got once they got the point of like you know
01:39:51.520put the greg's pasty in the boot so we can take the lift mate meant then it was like oh yeah
01:39:57.280they're speaking this language with an accent right they literally thought of themselves as
01:40:03.680one ethnos until like relatively recently when the vikings show up and start viking yeah and even then
01:40:12.000the big difference wasn't like ah these are crazy random foreigners it was oh hey these are our
01:40:17.920pagan cousins from the homeland i thought they would have converted by now they didn't ah um
01:40:23.920Um, but yeah, so the first Vikings, I guess, to arrive in England, they show up in Portland
01:40:30.180and the Mercians, I'm pretty sure it was Mercians.
01:40:33.840They think it's just another merchant ship of Danes, which is a very, very common sight
01:57:38.240I've always been on goody two-shoes, kind of a nerd.
01:57:41.700You know, I didn't really – yeah, I don't have a story about, like, oh, I hit rock bottom, but then Alcatruz saved me.
01:57:47.280Alcatruz definitely made me better, and it's definitely the right thing to be doing, you know, obviously.
01:57:52.400But I can think of – let me kind of look at the question, make sure I answer it correctly again.
01:58:00.640yeah so do i find it inspires me to do things that i wouldn't otherwise do yeah kind of um
01:58:11.060when i was a christian and when i was an atheist there's sort of this idea in christianity and
01:58:18.060you've all heard it if you're listening to this the kind of thing that jesus says he'll turn
01:58:22.340brother against brother father against son whatever um and so there's kind of this mindset
01:58:29.260and it's not too prevalent here in the south because we're so family oriented or at least
01:58:36.440we used to be but uh you know this idea of like well i have god and if my family doesn't accept
01:58:43.120me or god then they're no family of mine right and uh as an atheist too you have like that
01:58:49.800kind of cringe libtard whatever mindset of like cutting out toxic people or some such you know
01:58:58.700like leftists are always willing to just like completely disown somebody because they they uh
01:59:06.060called them their birth name instead of their new made up tumblr name or whatever
01:59:10.220um not that i was ever that kind of atheist but you get the idea and so now for example uh
01:59:19.100Uh, so, okay. As an example, I always try to, so I'm the oldest of my siblings. And so if there's
01:59:32.580ever conflict with my siblings or their spouses or whatever, and there's not usually thankfully,
01:59:37.360but sometimes it happens. And, uh, I always have to be the one to fix it. And I take a certain
01:59:44.740pride in that and i can't find a way to directly relate it to alsatru but it's like
01:59:50.980if i know i'm gonna have to like confront my sister and my brother because they're arguing
01:59:55.400about something stupid and i have to fix i'm i you know in my head i go this is the noble thing
02:00:00.640to do this is the arian thing to do this is the alsatru thing to do and i'm gonna do it because
02:00:04.600i'm alsatru so i don't have a cool answer uh for it but yeah there's that as far as religion
02:00:13.180sometimes people say like you know this is kind of a ramble but i promise it's related to this
02:00:21.640this question here sometimes people like critique us or just anyone in general about like
02:00:28.540oh well your religion your ideology is illegitimate because it just involves doing
02:00:35.260things you want to do it doesn't involve doing things that are hard and i think something
02:00:42.940that we have to do for religion that is hard is try to stick by and guide and maintain family
02:00:51.260when it might honestly just be easier to cut out a toxic person i'm not a go these so i don't get to
02:00:58.440like opine on this officially but i mean i think we i think even within awesome true there's a
02:01:04.540limit where it's like yeah no you are too toxic you you know i'm not i'm not trying to save this
02:01:09.720part of the family but like our limit for too toxic is a little farther out than perhaps some
02:01:17.020other people's might and you know you got to put on the hazmat suit and go fix the problem
02:01:24.100that can be hard when you don't want to do it um because everyone talks about family as it's this
02:01:31.860thing that matters but then like we have to do it it's the thing we have to do even if it isn't fun
02:01:41.620you know um i'm done yeah that's definitely i would
02:01:49.420i don't we don't have like some official position on that in the trula mile or anything but like
02:01:56.520yeah that's correct we we should be uh it's this interesting balance of we have to
02:02:04.040yeah be willing to give our folks some grace for lack of a less christian sounding word
02:02:10.220but also there are times when you have to kind of prioritize people and and say no you're not
02:02:19.800going to do this in front of my kid or whatever you know what i mean uh i thankfully don't have
02:02:26.520any transvestite relatives but if one wanted to come meet my son i'm going to go tell him to pound
02:02:33.200sand and i'm gonna call him by his birth name when i do so just for a little added punch because
02:02:40.360i'm a jerk for example uh i want to try and answer this question better than i have let me
02:02:48.900look at it again um the only other way i could think out of also true impacting my role in my
02:02:59.940family is like i guess in regards to how i have planned for my son's life so far so before he
02:03:10.360was born i think it was like at the baby shower i kind of told everybody like hey no gender
02:03:17.800liberal whatever ideology anything around my son ever i mean it no christianity anything around my
02:03:26.980son ever i mean it he lives in the south he's gonna hear it the furthest out of this part of
02:03:33.120the south we ever plan on living is sigraham which is in tennessee this guy he'll get plenty
02:03:39.560of christianity don't add on to it it's not happening i mean it you know try me right um
02:03:46.060Other than that, maybe I've just been Alistair now long enough where I don't remember how I can't, like, theorize on how I would have acted without it.
02:03:59.440So, sorry for the kind of lame answer.
02:04:01.800um so i saw in the chat go the rob stam i assume that's go the rob stam and not another rob stam
02:04:12.640but moving on pointing out that this or or linda book stuff disagrees with a general
02:04:20.980westward movement of the proto-indo-european peoples um for a brief recap brief actually
02:04:31.620normal person brief not me brief um white people come from three populations um nearly the
02:04:40.340country gatherers who come up from uh africa the anatolian farmers who come up from anatolia
02:04:48.940which today is which today is turkey and then the proto-indo-europeans aka the step herders
02:04:55.100who i mean they experience their ethnogenesis in the ukraine so technically they start in europe
02:05:01.500but there's been enough work done to trace their movement from further east westward right there's
02:05:07.940this movement into europe from outside of it that's how white people come about we see an
02:05:14.900archaeological in addition to genetic flow westward with the exception of the anatolian
02:05:21.900branch of the indo-european family and uh the tokarians and the the anatolian tokarian and
02:05:28.520indo-iranic branches move out of europe eastward southward but everyone else moves west there's a
02:05:38.040westward movement into europe which is exactly the opposite of what the o'era linda book is
02:05:45.960positing which is an eastward movement out of frisia and ironically the patriarchal inheritance
02:05:52.900having priest having out of asia guys are the bad guys so i'm a word nerd my instinct when i hear
02:06:04.040about this text is what do the words say so how does the language like the content of the language
02:06:11.220of the oyer linda book look because if this is a genuinely old text we should see some pretty
02:06:18.920interesting things. For example, the word, the singular of Æsir, Æsir, Æs, sorry, the vowel's
02:06:28.840got to be long, is cognate with the Old English Æs and the Gothic Ænts. And in Old English and
02:06:39.600Old Norse, this word means got, just means the Æsir, the tribe of the deities. But in Gothic,
02:06:46.680we're told that it refers to ancestors now this term is cognate with the sanskrit asura which
02:06:53.520at the latest date refers to the i'm just gonna say gods of chaos because it's easy and we don't
02:07:00.060need to talk about hinduism too much but before that it refers also to the devas the the gods of
02:07:05.940order and before that it just means lords in general means lords in general in the earliest
02:07:11.640strata avestin the uh the old language of iran and then in a later strata of avestin it refers
02:07:18.280to the deities of uh zoroastrian like ahura mazda it means lord wise ahura mazda means lord
02:07:26.760literally means lord wise the wise lord um interestingly this term is also cognate with the
02:07:37.080hittite is what everyone calls them but they're different than the people who are called the
02:07:41.000the hittites in the bible they should be called the neshins because that's what they called
02:07:44.340themselves whatever the hittite emperor was the hashu and his wife was the hashuana this word is
02:07:50.840cognate with isir and it just refers to the emperor he's obviously not a deity right so we should
02:07:57.560expect to see some pretty interesting stuff in this book right we do so the the aware linda book
02:08:05.240uses the word it's pronounced i'm just going to wing it merkt yet means market comes from the
02:08:12.240latin word meaning comes from the latin market which comes from an etruscan word which is
02:08:19.340something like merks etruscan is not an indo-european language why is there but more
02:08:28.420importantly, why is there an Etruscan word in an ancient Frisian text handed down by detailed
02:08:37.700copyist devotees and preserving this directly and correctly is like the point of this family
02:08:44.580is religion, right? Now, scholars at the time didn't know crap about Etruscan. We still know
02:08:53.860relatively little about it because we don't have a Rosetta Stone. We can pronounce, we have a lot
02:08:59.560of Etruscan, relatively, we have a good amount of Etruscan texts. We know these words, we don't know
02:09:05.200what they mean because they're never defined in a language that we know. For comparison, the
02:09:10.640Rosetta Stone is this big block that has a text in Greek, Latin, and Egyptian on it. Up until that
02:09:21.540point egyptian was completely unknown to the western world because we just didn't know what
02:09:28.460the hieroglyphics meant um so etruscan wasn't actually really understood by westerners until
02:09:35.440after world war one world war two really like hitler is dead for like a decade before anyone
02:09:45.040is like confident in what things in Etruscan mean this is a very young science right so the creator
02:09:54.340of the O.I. Rolinda book would be completely unaware of the fact that market is not a Latin
02:10:00.740word let alone maybe even a Germanic one honestly um at one point the Frisians send out people to
02:10:09.540the himalayas the himalayas as they call it in that one ramayana anime my wife and i watched
02:10:16.860actually pretty fun little movie what i digress himalayas comes from sanskrit and it very clearly
02:10:24.140comes from sanskrit you know what the modern english equivalent of himalayas would be i want
02:10:30.420to make sure the modern english equivalent of himalaya in uh english would be rhyme slime
02:10:36.780if you look at the cognates of what it means because it means like the deposited house or
02:10:43.200something like that right um himalayas is only possible if it's a loan word from scant from
02:10:50.380sanskrit this word could not come from frisian right uh another example is chronic uh chronic
02:10:59.300scriver which clearly means chronicle scribe in addition to chronicle coming from latin and i'm
02:11:07.660pretty sure that comes from greek i didn't actually look that one up um dutch shriever
02:11:13.320is from the latin scribare it it it's a latin word chronic scriver this is like a profession
02:11:22.500in ancient frisian society right then there's modern terms there's modern term modern is 1850s
02:11:30.440in the netherlands right there's modern terms what do the folks matters retire to when they
02:11:35.320are sleepy a bedroom like um the phrase the beginning of the end shows up that's actually
02:11:46.520something that talirand coined so this text cannot predate the the uh the napoleonic period because
02:11:55.760no one said that before that as like a set phrase um it talks about lung disease in cattle using a
02:12:03.000number of stock phrases that come from a uh an outbreak of cow lung disease in the netherlands
02:12:10.880right like stock phrases that were in newspapers and the like um there's a lot of consternation
02:12:18.780about lake dwellings in switzerland these are uh stilt houses um what's the crannog is the the
02:12:27.040term for these it's basically a house on stilts sitting over a lake um those show up in switzerland
02:12:34.400because that was in the newspapers at the time, right?
02:12:39.900There's a word here, motherlich, motherly, motherlike.
02:12:45.260It literally means motherlike, but it means motherly.
02:12:48.360The attributes of what it means to be motherly are specific to the 1800s.
02:12:54.940Gensmann doesn't really elaborate on what that means too much,
02:12:59.520but the depictions of what mothers are supposed to be are oddly modern.
02:13:04.400right? I already talked about the Finns. Fien means pure, the pure ones, right? That is also a modern term.
02:13:16.900Magi equals magi equals magic. I already talked about that. Magic is a fun one. Magic comes to
02:13:24.040English through French, but from, like, Greek, referring to the magi, the Zoroastrian priests.
02:13:31.400it actually means it's cognate with um magos uh i'm sorry magos comes from a vestin it's
02:13:39.640cognate with greek mega with um latin uh magnus magn with english mighty right they're the mighty
02:13:49.300ones because they had knowledge and wisdom and stuff right and the greeks had a very low opinion
02:13:54.700of the Zoroastrian priesthood because go watch 300 Zoroastrian imperialism tried to conquer
02:14:02.360Greece I mean yeah and so they looked very poorly on Zoroastrian intellectualism
02:14:09.960Zoroastrian religion and so that term like the teachings of the magi came to be known as on the
02:14:18.860one hand is like foreign intellectualism but also like basically heresy like there's attestations
02:14:26.360of both Greeks and Scythians of like a politician in these places getting a little too Zoroastrian
02:14:34.120for his constituents tastes so they murder him they just kill him and it's like well bro he was
02:14:39.660a Zoroastrian and then everyone's like oh well if that's the case oh you were justified so magic is
02:14:46.920specific term that actually derives from a very specific location that doesn't
02:14:53.340really make sense in this this cosmology to show up it does make sense if it's
02:14:58.320this pun however what else there's dimet as used for the people dimet demos from
02:15:11.460the Greek word for people um there's a lot of Protestant terms regarding
02:15:16.080morality and decency that show up and the sheer number of them is more interesting than any
02:15:23.960specific one because like every society has morality and decency right but very protestant
02:15:32.020concerns very protestant vocabulary for a text about an ancient society this ancient society
02:15:38.980seems to agree a whole lot with these dutch liberal protestant views um there's a lot of 19th century
02:15:47.780term dutch terms for government municipal stuff economics the government of the ancient frisian
02:15:55.940state is very very similar to what a dutch citizen in the 19th century would expect from his state
02:16:06.980and how it's structured, despite ostensibly being this top-down, given-to-them-by-God kind of state.
02:16:15.180So as an example, there's a term that shows up, stand-rect.
02:26:30.780odd currents that you see near the vulkish movement right matriarchy monism lost civilizations
02:26:42.280atlantis this anxiety that the north of europe had over simply put not being as cool as southern
02:26:52.160europe and the greeks the romans they had this long glorious past you know ancient greece
02:26:59.980western literature starts what starts with the iliad which takes place like just roughly and
02:27:05.200this isn't important around 1000 AD it was composed like 700 1000 BC was composed like 700 BC
02:27:12.180ish good enough Frasier shows up for the first time like 50 AD as like not a glorious society
02:27:23.700with a literary tradition right there was a lot of anxiety by in you can even see this into
02:27:32.280really relatively early in the modern period like starting in the 1300s even
02:27:36.780in Scandinavia this anxiety over like oh crap
02:27:39.820Greece and Italy are cool we actually are barbarians
02:27:43.780and trying to come to terms with that trying to understand the past because
02:27:49.920it's really important to understand here
02:27:51.540northern Europe did not have a good handle on what northern Europe was
02:27:56.980you if nick wants he can show up he can put up the picture of uh the holy roman empire
02:28:04.760germany as a construction was like really new you know there's the like the meme quote about
02:28:14.880uh was it bismarck who was like i must unite the germanic peoples under one flag
02:28:19.300because that was new when he was doing that like after the united states federal government had
02:28:28.660been created because the idea of a singular united german nation german people like when certain uh
02:28:39.040social they're like this is not this is not this is better than you can find on some maps
02:28:44.380thank you nick um why aren't bavarians and thuringians separate ethnosis well it's because
02:28:53.020there was a movement to make them one thing it's not a wrong thing to make them one thing by any
02:29:00.160means but you know the same why aren't why are bavarians germans but the dutch aren't
02:29:05.320There's historical reasons for that. And certain socialists who had nationalist political ambitions, if you will, in the early 1900s, looked at this book very interestingly.
02:29:22.620So there was this guy by the name of Hermann Wirth. He was into German ethnocentrism and matriarchy.
02:29:33.280There was a lot of these guys kind of bumping around in Germany in the early 1900s who were really big on like Prussian militancy.
02:29:42.200They really liked war and armies. And we'll get this. What if the government was an army?
02:29:47.880right like what if the government existed for the army imagine how many frenchmen they could
02:29:54.720kill if they did that just imagine it it'd be amazing right and they didn't really know how to
02:30:01.660i'm kind of paraphrasing because this is only sort of it's where the oyer linda book goes
02:30:08.260but a lot of these people like herman worth were a bit uh what we would call spergy today and they
02:30:13.500didn't know how to uh sell their ideology to women so a lot of this like matriarchy stuff
02:30:22.280was very appealing to them because it allowed for them to slide women into their government ideas
02:30:30.620right like there's like a parent like there's two governments like there's the guy government
02:30:34.500and the girl government right um herman worth is one of these guys herman worth is part of this
02:30:42.960discussion within de Vulkish movement between uh what I'm just going to call racist matriarchy
02:30:49.440and neo-medievalism these kind of communal socialist ideas as opposed to like the rights
02:30:58.520of the father the the strengthening of the family as a corporate body like does the government
02:31:05.700create families and afterwards do families continue to exist because of the government
02:31:11.200or do our family is just like a provisional structure for the purposes of raising children
02:31:16.840that the government like lets you have right you feel me here this is an important question at this
02:31:22.860time and worth was on uh team matriarchy and he was also big on original aryan monotheism
02:31:32.120there's a lot of people at that time who didn't like a lot of the things in christianity but they
02:31:38.320also wanted to keep a lot of these basic trappings monotheism is one of them um
02:31:45.680these people tended to be big into primitivism not everyone in the volkish movement i'm talking
02:31:49.920about a specific current matriarchy original monotheism primitivism right um in uh through
02:32:01.4401933 to 1935, there is this, uh, uh, conflict within the Volkish movement that I'm just going
02:32:11.420to call Bavarian Jesus versus Arian monotheism. And, uh, scholars at this time aren't having fun
02:32:21.420with a lot of this because it's all kind of silly, but Herman Wirth found out about the
02:32:28.860Oerolinde book, and he was really into it. And scholars in Germany saw all the stuff that the
02:32:36.380Dutch had said about it and weren't very big fans of it, but someone heard about Wirth's
02:32:45.260interest, and that was Himmler, Heinrich Himmler. Himmler actually founded the Anunerbe in part to
02:32:54.840defend certain claims in the O.R. Linda book because Himmler was just in love with this whole
02:32:59.420thing. Himmler was really big into witches. He loved the idea of like national socialist witches
02:33:06.340which is an interesting kind of it's not what you think of when you hear this you don't think of
02:33:11.580that as a combination um but within the national socialist hierarchy uh Amt Rosenberg the the
02:33:19.760office around uh rosenberg who was like the reich's minister for culture or something like that
02:33:25.840they really didn't like new era linda book because they didn't like the matriarchy stuff
02:33:29.920they didn't like the pacifism and so there was this growing um feud within the two camps
02:33:39.440about like is this subversive or not right and part of this is that like nutters like
02:33:48.400carmelia villegut got drawn into the debate like villegut was like actually insane like he got
02:33:55.360he got thrown in an asylum for being criminally insane against his will because he was like
02:34:02.800a delusional schizophrenic and violent to his wife and so when he he got let out um i'm kind
02:34:09.120of digressing because this is just a fun story because villegut uh villegut is the guy who got
02:34:13.920von list blacklisted in germany right um he gets thrown in asylum because he's insane
02:34:21.840and then the weimar government lets him out because they run out of money because of the
02:34:26.720whole like economic collapse so they just like let the crazy people out of asylums so he goes
02:34:32.560around germany as karl weistor and eventually gets into himmler's circle and i don't think he
02:34:39.840was a super big fan of the or linda book but he is the guy that blacklists von list right there's
02:34:44.720a question of why don't more people listen to von list it's because of villegut saying no von list
02:34:51.440i don't like him i disagree with him he gets the chopping block um so in 1934 the critiques of the
02:35:00.320aware linda book start increasing and mounting particularly as german scholarship stops looking
02:35:06.880at this as a this is a hoax this dutch guy wrote this portion this dutch guy wrote that portion
02:35:12.540the paper is doctored kind of a thing and starts looking at this more ideologically as a
02:35:18.960this book is purporting the original dutch monotheism and it doesn't have a good opinion
02:35:27.240of germans it has a pretty low opinion of germans and scandinavians and an extremely high opinion
02:35:34.340of the dutch which the national socialist government didn't really like um again woden
02:35:42.900in this book is a human chieftain who is like seduced by oriental papal magic it doesn't have
02:35:52.020a high opinion of germans right and so it actually gets put on the forbidden books list in 1937
02:35:59.140himmler got overruled and the reasonings for this being this book promotes frisian supremacy
02:36:04.680which is kind of an odd thing to be concerned about just saying that out loud it's like the
02:36:09.020dangers of frisian supremacy but it's extremely anti-german it's trying to emphasize a separation
02:36:16.360of the dutch from the germans um i don't mean to be mean but i'm just going to repeat the claim
02:36:23.200it accuses the germans of being slavic half-breeds that wasn't something that people in the national
02:36:30.100socialist government liked hearing um it promotes a pacifistic communist matriarchy also the worth
02:36:38.760was just publicly defeated by real scholars herman birth this guy who is friends with him
02:36:43.260was publicly defeated by real scholars and this humiliated a lot of the national socialist
02:36:48.760leadership because it's like oh crap we look like morons because one of our own is promoting this
02:36:53.980goofy nonsense the the line that gensma gives about this is that it was this is a quote in
02:37:01.820english but falsified in the wrong direction was the general idea amongst the national socialist
02:37:07.740leadership and so it got put on the forbidden book lists or forbidden books list pardon my french
02:37:14.540uh after the war what happens to this herman worth guy he actually rebrands as like a primitivist
02:37:22.180anti-fascist and he became he ended up becoming big in hippie and greenie circles the people who
02:37:29.120today you would think would hear like oh my goodness pacifistic communist matriarchy that's
02:37:33.480amazing right and then it's like oh this guy was a nazi what um and through worth's rebranding the
02:37:43.560book kind of becomes part of the new age uh worth got put in he got captured by the the allies in
02:37:50.6801945 and kept in prison and then they realized oh he's one of the harmless kind of kooks and so they
02:37:56.340just let him out and the book actually got taken up there was a lot of interest in it by uh native
02:38:02.300americans by like amerindian tribes in the 1970s because of like the whole you know back to the
02:38:08.560nature kind of aspect of it um it's it's an interesting thing because if you hear
02:38:16.800like communist matriarchy original monotheism you don't think of european governments you
02:38:25.760typically think of the new age where it's not like this is a core plank of new age or anything
02:38:31.980but it does seem more at home in that in that fundamentally it is positing again going back
02:38:38.200this is a work of theory fiction because there's two kind of strains through this discourse of
02:38:42.580this book is a fabrication of an ancient text and i i skipped over this in my ramble i'm sorry
02:38:50.820part of the story of how uh cornellis over to linden actually got this book to the attention
02:38:58.040of the archivists was because he made a fake ancient translation of uh work van thorb's the
02:39:06.720chronicles of friesland which is like a 16th century uh text right and he refused to give
02:39:13.060it to the archivists unless they also took a look at the oar linda book and this is where uh
02:39:18.780verwees's um failings as a scholar come in because he was like oh wow we just have to go along with
02:39:25.180this we can't simply simply can't be too critical of this thing you know um but this this book is
02:39:33.840positing so there's the this is a fake ancient text like let's train but there's also like the
02:39:41.660literary theory of like what is this book actually saying it's talking about an alternative origin
02:39:48.100for the white race and an original frisian monotheism that derives from a monotheistic
02:39:56.240matriarchal communistic society that does not have inheritance it does not have strong
02:40:04.340privileging of the father's role not like not as opposed to privileging the mother's role but like
02:40:09.500a focus on the father as a defining characteristic of the family it's very utopian in its outlook
02:40:15.820right by comparison father mother sister daughter like these words in indo-european languages are
02:40:27.040all very closely related because they are derived from an indo-european conception of the family as
02:40:33.400being like the small state of the father like a woman linguistically in the words we use
02:40:42.560a woman leaves her father's household and journeys to her husband's household and becomes part of
02:40:49.000his family right this is a radically different idea of religion and society than what we really
02:40:58.840see in if this is true then we modern europeans are heretics in a certain sense not just because
02:41:08.240of like the whole poke dig on fish hat thing but also like our so even with christianity our
02:41:14.300society is pretty patriarchal our society values inheritance and our society values family and the
02:41:20.860aware linda book views like people getting their own houses as a a decline into wickedness you
02:41:32.120know i i'm not the gozy on the witten on this program but i mean you would you agree sir that
02:41:39.560this text is effectively something like heresy in a certain sense i mean yeah for sure that's part of
02:41:46.100the i think that was part of the allure for it kind of like i mentioned at the top of the show
02:41:50.700So our folk have this need to find the truth, no matter how hidden it is, and sometimes will happen across something that's so kind of ridiculous on the face of it, like the Orlinda book and the ideals in there that, you know, because it's such the opposite of what we have been told to be true.
02:42:18.960what we know to be true that we think okay well that's just how hidden this was you know it was
02:42:24.000the exact opposite of everything we thought no i mean western society arian society white people
02:42:31.600society whatever you want to call it is patriarchal um not that we like that women are beneath us as
02:42:40.480men or whatever you know that didn't start until uh until christianity came in actually but yeah
02:42:48.480you know the man protects and provides and fights the woman creates the home and nurtures etc etc
02:42:57.800etc and even even that idea of like the home as like the savage home is distinct from the east
02:43:06.600home like that is something the aware of linda book doesn't really like like the the ideal
02:43:12.400society according to this is people living in like a communal everyone shares things fortress
02:43:20.400you know when they mention uh the corruption of the bronze skinned curly haired gold earring
02:43:28.320people coming in it was like part of the like ooh bad times are coming is like people got their own
02:43:34.080houses like their own yards like the orland like getting a front yard is a sign of decadence in
02:43:43.060this society which is actually an interesting thing regarding like land usage that kind of
02:43:47.720dates this like uh if you look at some parts of america you get this odd like like a long road
02:43:55.520and a bunch of very thin lots going down the road with long backyards and the houses are all up front
02:44:01.120it's referred to as like a French allotments or something in some parts of
02:44:05.440the world that that is literally a European thing.
02:44:08.640It came about because you want the house close to the road or the river so you
02:44:14.420can move stuff in your stores into the wagon that goes on the road.
02:44:18.780The lots are very thin because all of the peasants come out and they go lot by
02:44:23.960lot doing like moving down the lot in a kind of assembly line fashion.
02:44:28.060they're very thin to make it easier to move across the lots they're very deep to maximize
02:44:33.480area for agriculture so like that concern about like front yards backyards reflects an extremely
02:44:42.260modern because like you go back to the bronze age it's like you tell like
02:44:46.940his front yard and he's like what do you mean my front yard there's woodland around my house where
02:44:54.100it's not a farm yeah there's no yard like yard i don't have a lot my land ends where
02:45:01.000while his cattle live you know right even in um task this is uh germania one of the things he
02:45:08.440noted about our ancestors uh the germans big germanic peoples um which includes the frisians
02:45:17.760or frizzy eyes he called them by the way uh is that yeah we had yards that houses were not next
02:45:24.900to each other we liked our uh a little bit of privacy but i guess you know if you're a believer
02:45:31.400of the orlinda book you could just frame that as aha well that's after the frizzians were defeated
02:45:37.060and corrupted and split and some of them joined the the sax men as uh the book calls them so
02:45:45.440this book doesn't really have much currency today um if you go looking you can find pictures of some
02:45:52.720women in like leather skirts with odd ponytails doing rituals around fire but it's always the
02:45:59.360same pictures from the same crop so i think that might have been more of like a stunt or something
02:46:05.080as far as what i could tell very minor neo-pagan influence outside of rather extreme dutch
02:46:14.920conspiracy theory stuff but even then like this text is so kind of radical in its conception of
02:46:21.680the world and what it wants out of the world that it's very much like this they're hiding our
02:46:27.680history they don't want us to know but but we have the truth we have to expose them well who's
02:46:35.540them yeah you know like the magian conspiracy like the magian conspiracy trying to hide the
02:46:44.120truth of matriarchy like it's it's a it's a kind of silly premise on its face if you if you start
02:46:51.720with it you know yeah it you know it's it's all a mess um one interesting thing i was kind of
02:47:04.780verifying on my phone here on the side with the history of how the story part of the orlinda book
02:47:11.700ends if i'm not mistaken is kind of like the the jewish people basically they they corrupt the
02:47:18.320area and they make everybody evil for wanting houses and uh material things and women buy
02:47:24.840jewelry and their kids go hungry or whatever it says and um it mentions how the uh essentially
02:47:34.800the land uh earth up that that was the other thing i meant to cover theologically earth was
02:47:40.580almost seen as a goddess in a way not explicitly but they called it eartha which is you know a
02:47:48.660germanic word where we get earth from uh and it would the nerfess essentially or yorth and so uh
02:47:59.700i brought that up because of a different point but anyway something else to keep in mind uh
02:48:05.860the earth or the earth the land itself of friesland frisia uh like starts falling apart
02:48:13.660as the people become corrupt the land beneath them which they are tied to but also not tied to
02:48:18.620because that's bad or whatever the land starts falling apart and that's i don't know that it
02:48:25.600says it outright but it's really really hinted that that's kind of what caused the uh the climate
02:48:31.420issue uh that made the frizzy eye leave and then the frizzy ends which are related come back
02:48:38.700i think that's what it's talking about where it says uh my mother and i joined the the sax men
02:48:46.700etc is the frizzy eye uh left and just joined surrounding germanic tribes which were the same
02:48:53.720people anyway angles and saxons etc and then they just re rehabited the area later once the flooding
02:49:02.460had gone down and it kind of became somewhat habitable again so that's they take some little
02:49:08.440nuggets of truth and real actual history like the emphasis on all white people are related well
02:49:15.220that's true but as mentioned as chris pointed out not in the way they're saying yeah it's also
02:49:23.020interesting that like kind of fisher king aspect of it because like in the the torah like why does
02:49:30.060israel suffer when the jews stray well it's because yahweh is punishing them like yahweh is tightening
02:49:35.780the screws pardon the pardon the joke tightening the screws on the jews when they stray from his
02:49:42.780will he is inflicting the punishment but in like more european fisher king ideas it's like no
02:49:49.720there's like a a bonding between the king and the land like the king marries the land goddess
02:49:56.280and they're like intertwined so if you cut the king's legs off like trees don't grow as tall
02:50:01.860right lacking either of those it's kind of like well why does the land suffer when they stray from
02:50:09.580weralda you know like maybe maybe there's something deeper in there that i'm just
02:50:14.140missing but it's kind of like but what ties them to the land you know if it was afflicting them
02:50:21.620as people it would make sense but they've got the the the i think gensma compares it to like
02:50:28.320the reflection of the divine in them because of the monism so how can the land fall apart
02:50:33.240if if the people are straying wouldn't the innate goodness of raalda keep the land together
02:50:39.320you know what yeah kind of there's um and a story within the story it tells of um
02:50:48.760a good frisian woman named adela and her children or some children or whatever are
02:50:56.760in some predicament where there's like a fire and they're caught in a high place and so they're
02:51:06.860like ah either fall or you know get burned by the fire and adela tells the mother of these kids
02:51:17.660if you believe in ralda enough you will be able to make it through the the fire your faith in him
02:51:22.460will give you strength and you'll be unharmed by the fire and be able to rescue your children
02:51:25.700something along those lines and i guess it's like because they were corrupted and they became
02:51:31.160Alcestru basically uh in this story um they lost faith in Ralda and so Ralda no longer protected
02:51:40.280them and it kind of goes back to that concept of all good things come from Ralda the only
02:51:44.680bad and stupid and evil things come from our own foolishness yeah I don't you're the gozi here
02:51:53.460sir so you can give a more official position but I don't really see that kind of attitude in
02:51:57.700indo-european religions like yes the gods give good things but like not literally all good things
02:52:04.420ever at every level you know yeah i mean the world is beautiful and all because it's beautiful and
02:52:14.500you could say well yeah you know the all father and his brothers made it beautiful and sure
02:52:18.560but yeah i don't know also atheists are able to have good lives all the time you know uh jackson
02:52:27.680crawford specifically like thinks anybody who practices al-satru is a fool he probably makes
02:52:33.120enough money to live a decent life and the gods themselves are not going to come down from on high
02:52:37.940and like take all his nice things from him for being a dork uh that said if they did that'd be
02:52:44.560funny and i would applaud them for that but it's probably not gonna happen um yeah it's not like
02:52:50.680thor is turning like the good things crank and it's like oh i'm i'm gonna start turning it the
02:52:56.300other way if you stray bro you know right it's not like that like it is in this kind of monistic
02:53:03.020cosmology from what from what i see yeah no it's it's not no no mention of that and the album all
02:53:10.340or the eddas um but at some point we you don't have to spend 25 years to build one church or
02:53:16.500one hoth yeah right let's see uh we got two more questions from homoese uh first one
02:53:25.440speaking of magi i remember reading from something that the muslims called the norsemen
02:53:29.940that invaded muslim spain majus or magi in arabic why do you think that is um yeah so
02:53:38.780there's a number of terms that refer to uh pagans in um the the islamic world the the most
02:53:49.320the original one is kafir which uh it's often translated as unbeliever but it means something
02:53:57.500more like um like rejecter disbeliever because islam means submission but the the conception
02:54:08.160of it intellectually is that it more so means the message the testament right um so like
02:54:14.840what do you call people who reject the testament their projectors you know um that's the the kind
02:54:23.360of word for non-muslims in islamic usage but when islam comes to blows with persia and defeats it
02:54:33.640pretty shocking effectively um my juice my juicy becomes a slur used to refer to Zoroastrians in
02:54:45.300general like you can kind of see that Zoroastrians the people who do what the Magi say Magi-ians
02:54:53.060right like we call Jews like rabbi-ians you can occasionally see this actually done with Hinduism
02:54:58.500where they'll call them like Brahmanists or Brahmanites or whatever like the people who
02:55:02.980follow the Brahmins right this term my juicy ends up getting applied to a lot
02:55:10.260of groups like it just means pagan it doesn't necessarily link because it's it
02:55:20.220means like pagans in general right I would imagine there might be some kind
02:55:27.080of nuance there that I might not be picking up from what little I know about
02:55:31.260how how it works but um yeah so uh the second question is kind of an extension of the first
02:55:42.880one i didn't realize that till now uh he says it could have been because fire was a central element
02:55:48.360and also true shrines or maybe because the magi of persia were a high caste and thus resembled
02:55:54.340the norse physically it's hard to tell what they mean um that could have played into it i think
02:56:00.220but it's it's probably mostly just what chris said uh i i did google this real quick and i do
02:56:08.700find some speculation that uh some practices such as cremation could be misinterpreted as fire
02:56:15.220worship which is important because like zoroastrians do literally worship fire in as much
02:56:21.340as they believe that fire is like a god entering our one of their gods entering our dimension
02:56:28.380and when the fire goes out the god like goes back to the fire dimension this is also how hindus
02:56:34.160conceptualize fire traditionally this is involved in buddhism too because it's like there's a
02:56:39.340parable about how nirvana works it's like no no like they do not understand fire like we do right
02:56:44.860but anyways um so like zoroastrians are really big on fire they don't they their priests wear
02:56:51.340like a mask over their face so that way they can't spit in it by accident or breathe into it
02:56:56.980because they do not want to impurify the fire.