Asatru Folk Assembly - 11⧸19⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 176 - Oera Linda Book ？

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00:03:00.000 all right everybody welcome to episode 176 of victory never sleeps uh or a linda book

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00:05:24.920 uh with that we'll go ahead and get into the oralinda book before uh i give chris to go

00:05:37.640 ahead and kind of talk about the history of it and all that i want to start by saying i know

00:05:43.820 that a lot of people are invested in the oral in the book especially in our sphere i guess um

00:05:50.800 because there is a lot of like any good work of fiction there's a lot of uh truth a lot of truth

00:05:59.380 in it that's not to say that the whole thing is real spoiler alert it is not uh i don't say that

00:06:06.960 to be flippant i don't want to do this in a way where you know it's me and chris pointing and

00:06:12.580 laughing at people for believing in something that was presented to them as real um our people

00:06:19.020 specifically have this tendency and it usually contributes to the greater good rather than

00:06:24.800 otherwise but we have this tendency to always want to find the hidden knowledge in something

00:06:31.240 always want to dig down to the bottom of whatever is happening it and that trait of ours has given

00:06:40.880 us so many things including this screen i'm talking into and you guys get to hear it tens

00:06:48.100 or hundreds or thousands of miles away you know um it's a wonderful trait to have and i don't

00:06:55.680 ever want to admonish anybody for using that and stumbling upon the oral in the book and believing

00:07:02.760 it because it is fantastical and because it has again some truth in it any good or even decent

00:07:09.380 propaganda is going to have some pretty decent amount of truth sprinkled in there to kind of

00:07:14.620 lure you in uh is there going to be a william or lucy sighting tonight william is asleep and i would

00:07:24.420 bet uh lucy is as well lucy is heading off to bed yeah you'll see her don't don't worry ron don't

00:07:33.860 Don't worry. Yeah, yeah. We'll see you in a couple weeks, actually.

00:07:37.060 Yeah, ideally, William will stay asleep. He had a little nightmare or something a minute ago right before he went live. Thankfully, he's out.

00:07:47.440 Anyway, Chris, will you walk us through the kind of history, origins, background, whatever of the Oralinda book?

00:07:57.240 sure so the oerolinda book is a text that posits itself as being the true history of europe and

00:08:11.360 its descendants from the matriarchal monotheistic ancient dutchman who descended from atlantis

00:08:18.660 4 000 years ago um that's a bit of a mouthful we're going to unpack it in in detail um

00:08:28.180 so to start with let's kind of rather than just trashing on this book i want to start by saying

00:08:38.260 what i think it is if you look at it honestly in light of all of the just facts about it it is a

00:08:46.580 work of what we would today refer to as theory fiction which um complex allegory that is trying

00:08:55.300 to convey a philosophy theology or ideology through fiction um plato does this a lot with

00:09:04.660 like the ring of gyges or guges um with atlantis crafting these elaborate stories to convey a point

00:09:14.180 that aren't necessarily completely this is fake i'm making this up right but are also

00:09:24.020 not necessarily supposed to be real um in the aware linda books case that that couldn't have

00:09:32.780 been uh we'll get into the story of the actual textual history of the book and why the authors

00:09:39.500 plural ultimately couldn't come clean about all of it so as i said this text purports to be the

00:09:47.160 true history of europe and its descendants or and its descent from the matriarchal monotheistic

00:09:52.220 golden age caused by the ancient dutchmen descending from atlantis 4 000 years ago

00:09:56.640 The book, Oera Linda, is an attempt at archaicizing Old Dutch to, so the book was produced to the public by, I am not a frisophobe, I have no rancor against the Dutch people, but I'm not going to pronounce any of these names or words correctly.

00:10:22.340 Please forgive me in advance, but it's Dutch.

00:10:26.640 So in the 1850s, Cornelis Overdelinda, that's his surname, Overdelinda, produces this book that he claims was given to him by his aunt, who was giving it to him on behalf of his grandfather as part of his inheritance.

00:10:44.560 This book had been passed down through the Overdelinda family for dozens of generations, with them being the last keepers of this ancient knowledge.

00:10:57.220 over de linda's family as the oer linda over de linda or linda right um lineage show up prominently

00:11:08.460 in the text as keepers of lore that go on to become you know cornellis over de linda revealing

00:11:16.240 this book to the public for the first time right um so cornellis then brings it to

00:11:26.800 a man by the name of Ilko Verwis, who is a provincial archivist in the province that he

00:11:34.160 lived in. So this is kind of like the Register of Deeds meets a college. We don't really have a

00:11:42.180 core equivalent to this at the time, but it's basically a government office for recording

00:11:46.920 things and bringing things to the attention of scholars so ilko initially rejects it but he

00:11:57.860 ends up passing it on to a scholar by the name of johan winkler winkler gives a copy to jan

00:12:06.600 Jan Gerhardus Otema.

00:12:09.920 Otema.

00:12:11.780 What's your answer?

00:12:14.220 Jan Atma.

00:12:15.920 Okay, is that how that's pronounced?

00:12:17.300 That one was particularly egregious.

00:12:19.460 I'm sorry.

00:12:20.360 I'm not trying to make fun of the Dutch here, I promise.

00:12:24.020 I just, I don't know anything about this language.

00:12:26.900 I'm sorry, guys.

00:12:27.720 No, that's the way they understand.

00:12:29.600 um so yan atma is the um ideological founder of the authenticist position atma is the one that

00:12:44.480 begins the idea that this is a real true story that has been hidden from the world by dark

00:12:54.400 shadowy forces and it coming back to public understanding is a a crucial salvo by the

00:13:03.120 forces of good so um the the principal text on this book is um the diga massacre to god

00:13:18.880 by uh goff jensma um who is a dutch academic part of the problem with this text is that this

00:13:27.920 part of the problem with the study of the oerlinde book is that this academic work has not been

00:13:35.520 translated to english formally it is in dutch the pdf i have of it is 467 pages entirely in dutch

00:13:43.600 so this is an esoteric and arcane text that is not really accessible to english academia

00:13:52.920 because it's literally in not in english right i had to use uh uh internet translation to even

00:14:01.960 access a lot of this material because a lot of the information about this text is not in english

00:14:08.380 there are english translations of the oralinda book but like talking about the language there's

00:14:16.380 nothing on this on the language of the book in english um gov jensma is not a believer in the

00:14:24.140 authenticity of the book spoiler warning um the book the the article here the digemasker to god

00:14:33.440 might as well be a book unto itself given how big it is but um this this the massacre to god

00:14:39.040 article book is absolutely not in favor of the authenticity of this text um so let's just back

00:14:49.040 up and talk about the book a little bit like the physical artifact so it's 1 508 uh sorry 158

00:15:00.520 thousand characters uh 38 000 words 6 000 ish lines it's about 190 pages on folded sheets

00:15:09.480 in nine choirs um that's basically a choir is if you take a bunch of paper fold it in half

00:15:17.400 right and you have several of those in a line and they get glued to the spine of a book um

00:15:25.160 so due to how the formatting is set up because this this book was made by hand

00:15:29.400 if it was made today it would be about 110 pages um the make and style of the book are consistent

00:15:38.760 with bookmaking in the 1800s um the physical copy of the book the original artifact which

00:15:48.120 is accessible by scholars it's like in a museum is it claims to be from uh 1256 a.d

00:15:55.640 but it is on machine made paper from the 1850s machine not like laser jet or something but you

00:16:03.120 know it was made in a paper factory in friesland the jensma even like tracked down the literal

00:16:10.660 building it the paper came from um it's consistent with samples from that factory from that time

00:16:17.340 the writing is with modern for the 1800s ink using a steel pen or quill

00:16:25.000 pencil was used for sketching and arranging um i should have done this before can you get a

00:16:32.880 picture of the uh aware linda book runes and throw it up there nick i can keep talking while

00:16:37.760 you do um it was never bound properly but it was made to look as if it was as if as if it had been

00:16:47.020 like taken out of its original binding and then put back into it so the margins are measured with

00:16:54.760 a compass and mark um the justification is that right margin via tildes but it's done poorly with

00:17:01.540 odd word breaks the text has non-disruptive gaps in the narrative to create an illusion of age

00:17:07.660 so it's like you're reading genesis and then all of a sudden like the the part where it talks about

00:17:14.540 um jacob stealing esau's birthright or whatever is just like missing and then it just keeps going

00:17:21.280 right um so the book itself is written in the frisian runes which are a novel writing system

00:17:34.140 based off of medieval majuscule they have nothing to do with the futhark and they match the writing

00:17:39.360 system of then modern 1850s dutch so like um there's like a form so one of the letters in

00:17:48.960 that form of dutch is um an a with a diacritic here we go they're based on this idea that you

00:17:56.000 there's like a thing at the bottom right that little circle kind of thing is the the all of

00:18:04.080 the letters are contained within that right and you can make all of the letters off of this thing

00:18:09.680 the circle is a big is an important symbol it's called the yole the yole the circle is an important

00:18:17.040 symbol for the society described in the book so if you look at those top left three letters those

00:18:24.720 are all a but with diacritics right you can go look at the futhark and ancient greek writing

00:18:34.960 to see how ancient peoples treated vowels diacritics are something that the french invented

00:18:40.320 in the 1600s well okay the french didn't actually invent them but the way they show up

00:18:46.160 in this what this text is doing comes from french invention right so

00:18:51.840 So what's important is that these start out very angular and very rigid, but they round

00:18:58.440 over time, which is not consistent with someone who knows how to write in a hand consistently.

00:19:05.000 Like, yes, if you write an entire book by hand, every single R that shows up is not

00:19:10.980 going to be the same, but they're all going to look vaguely similar.

00:19:14.100 The drift indicates that the writer of the book, writers, there's multiple, were slowly

00:19:21.760 learning how to make these literally there they were muscle memory and how to make these characters

00:19:28.020 over time there's a lot of smudges attempts at correcting attempts at scratching out sometimes

00:19:34.680 literally like removing paper like a layer of paper to remove an error because the scribes

00:19:43.640 were not used to writing in this script but it doesn't show the extreme attention to detail and

00:19:53.880 precision that someone who is attempting to copy a text that they don't know how to interpret

00:19:59.400 shows this shows up very often in medieval texts where you often hear christians talk about like

00:20:05.440 monks preserving knowledge that was usually done by people who were illiterate because scriptoria

00:20:11.380 had to be reinvented as europe entered the dark ages and they would basically go to peasants and

00:20:17.280 say you see all these sheets with the little scribbles make an exact copy and so there's an 0.79

00:20:24.120 entire science to what do letters look like if they're made by someone who is illiterate and is 0.69

00:20:28.640 just copying from memory jews do this with the torah where it has to look extremely specific 0.96

00:20:36.380 or the entire a single character can make an entire Torah scroll have to be just tossed away

00:20:42.080 because it has to be specifically right and the drift in this does not line up with the story that

00:20:50.580 uh our Linda gave about this being basically his family's religion passed down for literally like

00:20:58.180 4,000 years and defending and saving and copying and preserving this knowledge was supposed to be

00:21:04.700 this great family endeavor, which doesn't really seem to bear out. So as I said, the claim is that

00:21:12.880 the book itself comes from 1256, but the paper is obviously from 1850. Part of that obvious is that

00:21:20.580 it has been artificially aged through chemical means. If you take the paper and like snip it,

00:21:26.020 it's white in the center it's even been like burnt a few times um so also if you look in these

00:21:35.580 i don't blame you for not being able to see it and i don't know where i'm pointing in the image

00:21:39.720 on the screen it has um ligatures th ng these are things that came about due to how latin handles

00:21:48.760 these letters the futhark has a character i believe it's the ingwas one that makes the sound

00:21:55.380 mmm it makes a distinction between mmm and mmm so like finger was initially

00:22:03.700 pronounced fin ger finger is a regular phonological process blah blah blah the

00:22:10.240 fact that it doesn't make this distinction is a demonstration that

00:22:13.900 there is a drawing from the Latin script right because mmm is a distinct

00:22:18.660 phoneme from hmm um there's a this key is from the 46th page but the book says that the writing

00:22:27.120 is supposed to be secret and not shown to outsiders um the letter of the letter order

00:22:34.040 reflects 19th century academic theories it's not based on the uh alpha beta alpha beta dicarium

00:22:42.900 or the futhark um the order the letters are in matters and actually demonstrates the origin of

00:22:50.260 a script um so at first the only punctuation is a dot and it's not a period it's like a dot

00:23:00.900 if you've seen really old greek you'll recognize what i'm talking about but eventually commas start

00:23:06.100 leaking in and spoiler cornellis or dolinda had extremely odd views on how to use a comma

00:23:13.940 that show up in this book now granted perhaps he got them from the book

00:23:18.240 but they start showing up in the book they aren't a consistent feature so

00:23:24.120 again i don't want to be mean and just poo-poo on this book but it's really hard to when you

00:23:32.360 are a language nerd and look at this thing. So the language of the Oralinda book is

00:23:40.140 archaicized modern Dutch. The best example I could, I could think of is when people try to

00:23:49.060 do ye olde Englisheth, and they talk like this, and they put a random eeths and eths at the end

00:23:56.940 of every word the reason they're doing that is because they don't understand how for one

00:24:02.900 middle english was pronounced but also because verbs you can take the the picture down nick

00:24:09.320 they also don't understand how verbs conjugated in middle english so like in middle english you

00:24:16.360 would say, I think, I think, you thinkest, he, she, it, thinketh. Thinks comes from a southern

00:24:27.140 dialectical variation on th. Shakespeare actually uses both when doing accents, so characters from

00:24:34.640 the south of England will say thinkest, and characters from the north of England will say

00:24:39.620 thinketh ye older the ye in ye is actually supposed to be a thorn or an eith but

00:24:49.720 the printing presses with the printing press was made in germany which didn't use the thorn

00:24:57.160 or the eith for that matter and so when when printing presses were imported to england they

00:25:05.580 were imported from germany and what scribes had started to do is they had started to uh modify

00:25:12.780 the thorn to look like a y spoiler warning you see what's not on this page a thorn you see what

00:25:22.160 is on this page raito or a capital r you know what greek does not have raito or capital r

00:25:29.980 that shape whatever you know you can see the r on there that comes from a modification of a west

00:25:39.360 greek alphabet because row made a w sound in west greek there are multiple greek alphabets

00:25:48.020 classicists normalize them to attic to make reading greek easier so you don't have to figure

00:25:54.060 out which script are we reading this in so that's a telltale sign that this comes out of western

00:26:01.420 europe granted the book claims that europeans come out of the netherlands so okay but um

00:26:12.620 as i was saying the in ye older is supposed to be the older the e is a nominative suffix

00:26:20.780 Anyways, the fact that most people don't know what I just said is why it's glaringly obvious that the text is not ancient because it's being written in what people in the 1850s in the Netherlands thought was old.

00:26:38.580 It's not being written in an archaic language.

00:26:42.980 compare modern english and ye old english according to how modern english speakers

00:26:51.580 think it was a said back then to old english where there are not just different words

00:26:59.240 like the modern english word like shri like shri the instead of move because move comes

00:27:08.120 from latin there's not just different words and vocabulary but there's different syntax

00:27:12.200 and grammar the oera linda book does not it doesn't have nouns that inflect for case

00:27:18.160 right like the oera linda book does not have a dual number the oera linda book has grammar that

00:27:25.860 looks like modern dutch and syntax that looks like modern dutch but it sorry it does have

00:27:34.520 occasional archaisms thrown on the thrown in on the grammar akin to um trent thou thou speak

00:27:42.180 right we don't we don't inflect verbs for the second person singular anymore

00:27:47.120 because blah blah blah blah um so the language is entirely modern Dutch with

00:27:54.400 archaisms meant to mimic middle Dutch that is in modern Dutch syntax as an

00:28:02.400 example in Spanish if you want to say it is it was utilized you would say say

00:28:10.560 which is not a construction we use in English we don't use the

00:28:18.780 reflexive pronoun to do mediopassive voice there's no kind of syntactic

00:28:25.180 differences in Iwera Linda book that you wouldn't see if you just knew Dutch you

00:28:31.760 know what old English has pretty grievous syntactic differences from English from

00:28:37.320 modern english so the book is also as i said full of errors there's also typos like of the fake

00:28:47.300 words like it misspells words that it makes up right now granted people make people make typos

00:28:56.180 but you know um there is an editor who went through apparently in like a batch that tried

00:29:08.080 to correct a lot of this stuff which again could have been done in 1256 the problem um some of the

00:29:15.340 typos are also ones that would never be made by a native native like it makes it it makes typos

00:29:20.620 like between n and m like spelling mom n-o-n that that wouldn't that wouldn't happen right

00:29:29.400 um these accelerate in the second half the book has a bipartite structure where the first half

00:29:37.540 is this fantastical tale with all sorts of really interesting stuff going on and then the second

00:29:44.740 half is this slog um kind of like like imagine if the catalog of ships in homer just kept going

00:29:54.360 for the rest of the book right but it's not just and then glaucocles his ship was the piercer and

00:30:03.620 on it he brought agath machman and you know it's like an actual story that keeps going in a different

00:30:09.440 diction right um so the writers lost steam and lost time and had to wind down the narrative

00:30:23.280 as it enters into um early antiquity 590 bc and um herb later antiquity 313 bc so

00:30:34.420 So, let's talk about the world and society that this book purports, unless you have anything you want to say, sir?

00:30:47.240 Will I drink tea?

00:30:50.040 Yeah, real quick, just before I forget.

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00:31:22.060 As far as the Oralinda book history thing, one thing I want to throw in here, and it may be on your notes and I may be jumping the gun,

00:31:27.820 But it's what I found particularly interesting, and it'll sort of flesh out kind of some of the background once we get to the theological stuff.

00:31:37.800 1850s or 60s, whenever it was in the Netherlands when this was coming around, those of you who are extreme continental Europe history buffs will kind of recognize this as a time when Catholicism and Protestantism, sort of high church versus low church, were really clashing.

00:31:56.320 especially in this region. Catholicism was

00:32:00.140 sort of making a comeback and the Protestants were really 0.99

00:32:03.960 unhappy about it because Catholicism is mean and not 0.97

00:32:08.040 Jewish enough or some such. 0.93

00:32:12.540 If I explain it any further it'll just give away the plot

00:32:16.240 to the oral in the book essentially. But yeah, something to keep in mind

00:32:19.800 that sort of the setting that this was written in or

00:32:23.260 uh discovered yeah and to to whet the audience's beaks not only is there catholicism v protestantism

00:32:30.600 but there's protestantism v protestantism and that that also matters here so the world that

00:32:36.820 this story purports um as i said um the the land of atlantis sorry at a land or occasionally at

00:32:48.520 land sinks and then the frisians make landfall in frisia first first like that's where white

00:32:57.720 people start in the netherlands and then they spread outwards into germany and scandinavia

00:33:04.060 i think scandinavia is like scuttenland or something um but so the the world proposes

00:33:12.420 that there is that the story proposes that there is one god um worlda which apparently if you're

00:33:22.520 dutch that obviously means like one over or like one overall or something it's god monotheistic

00:33:29.680 god there's one deity there's no trinity however it's there's just one god um this one god makes

00:33:37.140 the three mothers i'm trying to find where in my notes i put their names um uh so yeah i want to

00:33:46.800 jump in for this part because i've listened to so many videos on this particular thing the asha

00:33:53.180 logos videos were interesting in particular so yeah they're supposed to be three matrons i guess

00:34:01.400 of the three broad the races of humanity there is uh everybody pronounces it fria but i would

00:34:08.920 argue it's pronounced freya because that's what the dutch would have called frig and it's spelled

00:34:13.480 that way and it makes sense with notice free uh then you had free uh yeah um but yeah so the matron

00:34:24.920 of white people was frig or freya as the saxons and frisians and other west dramatic peoples would

00:34:32.680 have uh called her but freya um of the african people like just black people the matron was lita

00:34:42.440 lighta something like that um and then the asian and semitic i think the semitic peoples as well

00:34:51.640 their matron was uh fenda uh i will we can go over here but if just in case we don't i would

00:34:59.400 encourage all of you to go read the descriptions of those three matrons and how they are like

00:35:04.460 representatives of each of those people groups it's sad but also funny and

00:35:10.380 more honest than a modern audience would be comfortable with but i think

00:35:15.160 you guys might enjoy it and there's like a three uh three bears with the beds in the porridge like

00:35:21.460 yeah like Lita's children are just too hot-blooded and unintellectual but Finda's

00:35:28.120 children they're really smart and cunning but they just have this thing with tyranny

00:35:34.080 but but Fria's children were just right right and you'll notice here an interesting little thing 0.98

00:35:42.300 this is made by a Dutchman I as an American when I think of like crude color descriptions of races

00:35:48.600 it's white black yellow red yeah notice there's no red men here which is i presume given how broad

00:35:56.820 asia is in this tale that they would just lump under find his children in this cosmology but

00:36:04.160 it is an interesting little quirk dating that i picked up on as an american

00:36:10.560 um so as we said there's these three races of people white people yellow just going to call

00:36:19.900 them yellow people and black people and white people's society is um a matriarchal democratic

00:36:30.740 constitutionalist communism communism not in the sense of marxism or like marxist leninism or

00:36:39.140 but in the sense of like they live on communes they they live in like a kind of they like they

00:36:45.540 sleep in a shared barracks specifically they they don't live in villages at first they live in like

00:36:50.900 fortress citadels and then they're given plots of land by the government to go out and farm

00:36:59.540 but these aren't inherited um it's only later that the the frisians start developing like

00:37:05.460 like private property the comparison to plato's republic is kind of apt here in that it's like an

00:37:12.580 entire society of the the guardians where they like live in barracks they have like a box that

00:37:20.020 they get to keep possessions in but it's not lockable like you know what i mean like it's very

00:37:25.600 commune everyone everyone owns everything and no one owns nothing kind of a thing right

00:37:32.180 you kind of get into it reading it and you're like really feeling how like dutch this really

00:37:42.860 this writing is after a while um so as i said it's a matriarchy there's one god we're all the

00:37:51.300 who is called like some something it's all father it's like alvader but like mangled it's just all

00:38:00.860 father. So I presume War Alda is supposed to be male, but it's a matriarchal society. Women are 0.99

00:38:08.240 favored over men. Men are supposed to keep their hot-blooded, tyrannical ways under check. Women 1.00

00:38:13.880 are supposed to just, like, let go and be free. There's no inheritance, as I said, which is also 1.00

00:38:21.980 an interesting thing that we'll come back to. People don't own property in this early utopian

00:38:27.340 society that is formed after the fall of Ataland. And I'm just going to presume this is how they

00:38:33.100 lived on Ataland as well, just for ease. It's focused on clarity, freedom, resistance to

00:38:40.640 priestly tyranny. That's an important point that we'll come back to later. But so they do have

00:38:47.040 folks motors, folks modders, who are their priestesses. They're kind of like a mixture

00:38:54.560 of vestal virgins and rabbis they are vestal their founder was a woman named festa she taught 0.67

00:39:02.660 them to remain chaste wear white robes and tend sacred fires and that is like the sum total of

00:39:11.840 their official state religiosity therefore their religion is very tolkien afterwards like if you

00:39:18.480 read Tolkien no one ever prays no one makes sacrifices no one does like communion there's

00:39:24.880 just these kind of like heartfelt affirmations of value and loyalty and singing but no one like

00:39:30.980 gets down on their knee and hails the day or like declares their loyalty to the creator or anything

00:39:37.860 like that so it's actually a remarkably atheistic society or secular society in a certain sense 0.99

00:39:46.500 other than this heavy focus on these fire-tending Rabanesses. 1.00

00:39:52.480 I say Rabanesses because they are given a law. 0.99

00:39:56.700 Where is it in my notes? 0.85

00:39:57.840 The text.

00:39:59.280 The text.

00:40:01.320 The written text.

00:40:03.880 Get it?

00:40:04.840 Text.

00:40:06.140 Where do I have it in here?

00:40:08.820 So, this is a totally literate society.

00:40:14.920 everyone can read and thus they can read the text they can read the text because if they're also

00:40:21.640 also there's the text which is given to them by fria but they're also allowed to make their own 0.98

00:40:26.920 laws which is interesting because muslim muslims don't believe you can make a law like orthodox

00:40:32.520 fundamental muslims and there's a lot of orthodox jews who would agree like yeah you can't make a

00:40:37.020 law laws are made by yahweh right if a law is in play for like a hundred years they add it they

00:40:46.100 like literally carve it on their their citadel walls right um they are guided by uh ewa an

00:40:55.860 inner religious law derived from the monistic and monotheistic deity where alda is in everything

00:41:03.760 but also above everything it's not pan it's in it's not panentheism it's not pantheism but it

00:41:13.040 is monism because we're all that is in everyone and everything um friday is a holy day which is

00:41:21.620 another tell the seven day week comes from the planetary hours which is in ancient babylon if

00:41:30.460 you looked up they didn't have they didn't invent light pollution and microplastics yet so you could

00:41:34.960 look up in the sky and see the stars and they would move in this big like disc that turns throughout

00:41:42.020 the year but then in the disc there's these wandering little dots that move differently

00:41:47.280 from the turning of the disc and the greeks the greeks knew that the the dots that move in the

00:41:53.420 disk are the asterai, the stars. What do you call a wandering star? Planetos asterai,

00:42:02.780 wandering star, planet. So the Babylonians recognized this and they saw that there were

00:42:11.340 seven of them, the seven classical planets. So each hour of the day, because the day is 24,

00:42:18.560 because you know what you have? Two hands. You can count to 20, or sorry, you can count to 10

00:42:23.120 on your fingers right you can count to 12 on one hand if you count the digits 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

00:42:32.300 10 11 12 so 24 24 hours in a day each is guided by a planet right so like 3 p.m today is the hour

00:42:44.360 of jupiter then 4 p.m is the next in the series going from closest to farthest but wait a minute

00:42:52.640 wait a minute seven times three is 21 there's three days left so each day starts there's three

00:43:01.940 hours left so each day starts four planets ahead huh well that planet is the planet of the day

00:43:11.620 you know what that day is the day of the planet so friday is their holy day named after their

00:43:19.760 they're named after fria this mother prophetess figure friday comes from friggs day freeze day

00:43:30.320 that itself is an early it comes about in like the 1500 like 150 80. the anglo-saxons decide

00:43:38.880 to adopt this system from the romans this happens really early you can tell because of how the words

00:43:45.680 are. So Frigg's day comes from the Diez Veneres, the day of Venus. Diez Veneres comes from the

00:43:56.900 Hemera Aprodites, the day of Aphrodite. This comes from the planetary hours, because Aphrodite is

00:44:04.320 Venus, the planet Venus in this scheme. It's her palace or her chariot. Ancient astronomers

00:44:11.200 weren't certain whether the stars were the gods their their houses or their vehicles but they

00:44:18.380 doesn't really matter the star the planet venus is aphrodite right right so this is this actually

00:44:26.960 does line up theoretically it could have come from the frisians and go to the babylonians but

00:44:33.500 It's like there's no there's no reason to attach Freya to Friday, independent of Friday being Frig's Day.

00:44:43.680 Right. The social setup is a lot like biblical Israel in that there's a theoretical like master plan, like a tree where things flow out.

00:44:54.200 There's the Levites, like a priest cast of these women who who perform these rites that normies don't do.

00:45:02.120 they interpret the text they have judicial authority that's another thing uh defolks

00:45:07.620 matters have judicial authority they are rabbis in the sense of they are judges judatrixes juda

00:45:14.680 judacies whatever top-down organization of localities by a central judicial model 0.65

00:45:20.380 and this is another thing in the bible there's a lot of consternation amongst the jews about like

00:45:26.920 cities as like a discrete unit which is found in these like communistic uh citadel fortresses as

00:45:33.720 like a discrete unit um they are however despite having a unelected priestly judiciary democratic

00:45:44.600 constitutional city-states as i said with elections and citizenship and universal legal equality

00:45:51.560 and prohibitions on inheritance and banditry and firearms ownership um there's stuff about

00:46:00.280 i won't get into the lung disease i'll get to that later um they have vast and complex

00:46:05.680 irrigation and drainage engineering 4 000 years before the dutch invented that

00:46:11.060 because their country is mostly underwater so as i said um the religion is remarkably

00:46:21.460 modernist capital m modernist there's a denial of miracles nature and history are riddles that

00:46:29.480 god wants us to solve monism diversity belies unity in god and with god struggle and inquiry

00:46:38.440 are tools to find the truth there's gender egalitarianism it's literally a matriarchy

00:46:43.040 right um so just spoiler warning where do gods come from where does odin fit into this 0.99

00:46:53.480 the gods of europe are you humorized uh frisians so like athens is founded by minerva who is a

00:47:02.960 human woman uh woden is a german chieftain who rejects the texts and all that it it also goes

00:47:12.920 on with stuff like jesus and buddha like all modern religions descend from ancient frisian wisdom

00:47:19.320 jesus was just repeating the ancient teachings of the frisians and if you look hard enough you can

00:47:23.720 find the truth it treats polytheistic deities and i mean to a to like a degree like axial age

00:47:31.080 prophets like jokes buddha he didn't have any original ideas it's all phrygia that's a joke

00:47:37.560 but it treats were alda with dead theological seriousness and academic rigor were alda is god

00:47:46.500 like in the way in 1850s academic protestant would go into a college and talk to theology

00:47:55.800 students about god right um this is a bit more about the theology in society my notes are really

00:48:04.700 scattered on this i apologize so there's descent from three mothers whites yellows blacks um

00:48:10.300 there's a 3 000 year freedom and slavery cycle right there's a contradiction between man's desire

00:48:20.740 for man's nature as free and man's desire for tyranny which we'll get into god is above and in

00:48:27.080 the world science reads god's thoughts reason and morality are innate and from god and every time i

00:48:33.400 say God here just insert we're all because it's just control F replace

00:48:37.300 they but it's that's just what it is sorry so there's three stages of

00:48:46.000 progress that we see in this text there's a state of nature a legal state

00:48:50.800 and then inner moral freedom and conscience keep that word in your mind

00:48:54.700 conscience that's important so where where does it all go wrong because when

00:49:02.320 we see Frisia show up in the historical record it is no offense Dutchman I don't mean to be rude

00:49:11.600 but a relatively minor uh lowland coastal province that is harassed by its neighbors 0.97

00:49:19.420 so where does it all go wrong the answer is in the great enemy the magi the

00:49:29.420 i won't use the p word here the magi the magi are this secret like priestly conspiracy and

00:49:40.800 they take over the magyars and enslave the fins and the fins are the super weapon used against

00:49:48.440 the Frisians. So there's a great concern with tyranny that runs through this text and man's

00:50:00.600 inner freedom, freedom as a defining characteristic of man. So I don't, all right, now we're going to

00:50:09.700 get into being a little more little c critical here. So where do I have it in here? Magi is a

00:50:15.700 play on words. Magi, Magyaren, Magyars, but also Magi, Magi, which both means, which means magic,

00:50:26.260 right? Um, where's the word that the, where's the Finn word in here? Um, it's, it's got a J where

00:50:35.240 there shouldn't be a J. So, um, despite talking about the Fins, it describes the, uh, oh, here we 0.99

00:50:42.640 go. The Frisians fight the Finns, right? Fin, Finan, is a slur for orthodox pro-supernatural

00:50:52.680 Protestants. This text is, remember I said it's theory fiction? It's a bunch of allegories.

00:50:59.980 It's not quite a Romain à clef, which is a funny French word meaning novel with a key.

00:51:08.580 um uh where is it in my notes uh yeah so a uh roman a clay is a literary genre of where

00:51:20.560 not based on a real story any comparison to real life is pure coincidence it's a work of fiction

00:51:28.140 by the way the author wrote a key and if you get your hands on it you can see who all these people

00:51:33.360 are supposed to be. Modern examples are The Devil Wears Prada and House of Cards. Every character in

00:51:39.320 there is a real-life person and commentary on them by the author, and if you have the key, you can

00:51:44.500 find the real story. Like this was a literary genre. People would make these novels, and then

00:51:50.300 like the author would release the key after a few years of people playing with it. A question people

00:51:57.060 have with this book is okay it's a hoax it's a forgery it's a fake whatever it's 190 pages

00:52:05.340 in a fake alphabet why did they do that people didn't have video games in 1850

00:52:11.100 there are a lot of books in europe starting in like the 1500s onwards that exist as a game it's

00:52:20.480 a puzzle you're supposed to have fun with it you're supposed to toy with it you're supposed

00:52:23.220 take it apart and then talk about it with your buddies there are a lot of these little art

00:52:28.180 project game puzzle books that come about um so in light of that it's not necessarily odd that

00:52:35.460 this thing exists because things like this exist they existed in europe um

00:52:42.900 Um, this book is a big allegory for the, I'm going to butcher this word, um, Richtengestried, which is a complex conflict between the Orthodox and Modernist Protestants and the looming distant tyrannical figure of the Pope.

00:53:09.680 the pope pope dig on fish hat so why do we think it's a real why does anyone say oh this is a real

00:53:20.360 thing because of that ought my guy so now we're going to get into a little bit of uh unveiling

00:53:27.460 sir do you want me to do the word nerdery or do you want me to get into like the

00:53:32.140 the actual kind of story first because i got i got a bunch of stuff on the word nerdery that i

00:53:36.080 could go off on uh if you want to do questions from the audience we can uh let me throw some

00:53:43.960 stuff in there real quick and uh yeah then we'll i think the story will be good to go over first

00:53:49.540 though because the story is interesting like just to be clear if this book were like published and

00:53:56.960 the guy was like this is fiction but it's almost historical kinda and it's a novel but it's

00:54:02.020 openly fiction and it was fun to write it would make a great book or like revealed to me in a

00:54:09.060 dream sure like yeah it'd be a great uh for you younger guys out there it'd be a great video game

00:54:16.820 frankly i'd i would uh i would love to watch the sinking of atland and you know on a ps5 or

00:54:23.940 whatever um but yeah uh stuff i was gonna get into so ralda their creator god uh there's kennings

00:54:33.960 used for him in there one of them is all father which anyone watching this is likely familiar with

00:54:40.160 right um and hence the connection to uh freya or frig which is interesting because the one

00:54:47.800 monotheistic creator god is like a male i mean like why would you call a mother goddess all 0.99

00:54:52.680 father, but it's a matriarchy. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to relate to the vestal 1.00

00:55:01.620 virgins of Rome is my understanding. And I mean, you know, we had Githyr and our folk have always

00:55:08.640 had priestesses, not just priests. So whatever, I guess. Nothing against women or saying women

00:55:16.940 couldn't do what these uh burg maidens did in the orlinda book but it doesn't make it any less fake

00:55:25.260 uh so with ralda his name means world and so that kind of ties him to frayer as well because one of

00:55:35.660 frayer's kennings my favorite of his is uh varalda good uh god of the world and that may or may not

00:55:43.580 be where they got the inspiration for the name ralda they may have just gotten it because it

00:55:47.500 means world and there's this uh the idea that chris explained about ralda created everything

00:55:54.460 and is everything uh there's also this bit in there i i'm sure it's near the beginning i can't

00:56:02.620 remember exactly where but it kind of says all good things come from ralda if it comes from ralda

00:56:07.900 it is not good it comes from mankind ralda can do no wrong etc stuff you'd hear from christians right

00:56:16.700 um what was the other thing

00:56:23.260 well i forgot the other thing i was going to say you can go oh yeah so some of the

00:56:30.620 some of the names they use for countries or places are like just a little off like folk

00:56:35.820 etymology level off from what they're actually called and it's pretty fascinating to be fair

00:56:42.380 uh the atland one is interesting because it's they mean atlantis but it's also there's some

00:56:50.860 old record where like a greek explorer maybe uh referred to scandinavia or sweden as atland

00:56:58.540 and i'd have to do some more searching on that and pull it up uh but yeah so it could refer to

00:57:05.740 atlantis or sweden or whatever um but sweden didn't sink so it's they mean atlantis but it's

00:57:12.620 fascinating because the germanic people did come from sweden so and just regarding atlantis real

00:57:18.700 quick plato says it was beyond the pillars of hercules so people typically posit today the the

00:57:25.420 usual positing of where it was supposed to be in Plato's imagination was in the middle of the

00:57:31.160 Atlantic Ocean um but the where the the pillars of Hercules um today refers to the area where

00:57:41.660 Spain and Algeria kind of kind of touch each other um uh Algeria America whatever where Spain touches

00:57:49.460 africa but it's um also theorized the pillars of hercules also refers to a place farther in the

00:57:56.180 mediterranean on like the libyan coast so it's more likely that plato thought this but the other

00:58:03.840 problem is that like atlantis is supposed to be huge plato gives like a size estimate and it's

00:58:08.360 like a big this is like europe sized it's like australia you know um so the north north europe

00:58:16.840 the north atlantic thesis where they're because they have to come it has to be like in the north

00:58:22.040 sea between britain and scandinavia for them to make landfall on in frisia you know like they're

00:58:30.060 not going to sail from like antarctica to frisia like um so where is atlantis supposed to be

00:58:39.240 is an open question which is kind of how this can be said like now plato isn't super clear

00:58:45.980 where Atlantis was right um so as I said the basic story of this is that Cornelis over to Linda

00:58:54.620 gets the book gets the book from his aunt um his aunt then gives it to Ilko Virwis who then gives

00:59:05.340 it to um to uh Johan Winkler Winkler was for a brief period of time like oh boy this is such a

00:59:15.260 cool thing i can't wait to tell my bosses and then he spends like a year reading it and comes

00:59:19.540 to the conclusion that it's a crock of you know he he gives it to his buddy uh jan gerhardus

00:59:27.360 atma who three days later jan runs up to to johan in a manic fury after johan is getting out of

00:59:37.820 church and he says johan this is genius we have to tell the world and johan says my god man you

00:59:44.860 read that in three days because like it took him a year to read this thing and like pick through it

00:59:49.820 and come to the conclusion that it's book right atma was obsessed with this book so

00:59:56.700 um the creation theory before we get into the publication of this book so johan winkler spent

01:00:07.420 a lot of time looking into who the heck made this this is um what i'm going to relay here is uh

01:00:18.800 um goff yensma relaying the the the genealogy of this is what i would call i want to call the

01:00:27.800 expanded winkler theory but i think there's enough evidence that you can just say this is just the

01:00:32.020 truth right so the aware linda book is the product of two people and one man by proxy maybe with a

01:00:42.900 fourth guy involved but he wasn't really involved in writing in much of the content directly so

01:00:48.240 there's two main players here cornellis over to linden who is the uh the guy whose family owned

01:00:56.500 the book. He's the owner. He was a man who dreamed of a great Frisian past. He had a lot of ideas.

01:01:04.640 He wrote essays about them. Those essays show up in the Oralinda book. They show up in a very

01:01:10.520 polished form in the Oralinda book. And there's bits of deuterocanonical lore in his essays. So

01:01:17.580 like there's this name um abele like the name abele referring to woden is in um uh over to

01:01:26.000 linda's drafts um king frank king of the franks that's in delinda's drafts or over to linda's

01:01:35.240 drafts um athens degenerating after minerva leaves in the drafts um the the assumption

01:01:44.060 that winkler made that gens that jensma then backs up is that um over to linda had a prior

01:01:53.020 text given to him by someone over to lend over to linda then took this text and rewrote rewrote it

01:02:00.180 on the in the runes on the faked old paper um partially that's backed up by the fact that in

01:02:09.620 over to linda's house after he died people found more of this paper more of this like blank

01:02:16.600 faked old paper with the margins and where the the page numbers were supposed to go and all that

01:02:24.920 so it's like he made too much paper and he just never got rid of it to be fair i don't think he

01:02:30.960 expect to be fair as we will see in the story he clearly didn't expect people to be digging

01:02:35.500 through his house to find out the truth about this after he died right so over to linda was

01:02:41.920 a dreamer he loved frisia he dreamed of a glorious frisian past he was also a theological modernist

01:02:48.480 um to use it in to use uh modern parlance theological modernism is the proper term

01:02:58.300 for being a cocky pseudo-atheist if you're a protestant um he wasn't a good writer he was

01:03:06.520 not a very strong writer there's no shame in that it's a weakness that afflicts some people

01:03:10.560 but um he wasn't a strong writer and the orlinda book isn't bad writing we'll see about who is a

01:03:19.680 strong writer later one thing i said is he had this bizarre punctuation habit he'd put commas

01:03:26.760 and periods at the start of the next line right so it wouldn't be like sentence sentence sentence

01:03:33.400 sentence comma next line it'd be sentence sentence sentence sentence sentence next line or sentence

01:03:39.400 sentence sentence like line break comma next line and you do that with periods and he does this

01:03:48.880 happens in both the oyer linda book and in his normal writing this bizarre and to be fair maybe

01:03:57.240 he got it from the oyer linda book maybe maybe um the oyer linda book has a lot of odd hyphenations

01:04:07.780 like in the middle of words as if it's trying to do some kind of fanciful noun compounding

01:04:15.640 but sometimes it's just like of a regular word like putting a hyphen in the middle of the word

01:04:23.420 dictionary between the i and the o like that's not that that what cornellis over to linda did

01:04:32.700 that in his normal writing he bungled um the cht cluster in his normal writing coincidentally

01:04:41.820 that shows up in the Oralinda book. Worst of all, his grandson's niche. His grandson said,

01:04:49.360 yeah, my grandpa made this up because it made our family famous. And yeah. So

01:04:56.220 there's another character we have to talk about, however. That man is Francois Haverschmidt,

01:05:04.480 aka um perhaps better known by his um his pen name pete paulians so francois hober schmidt

01:05:13.980 was a vicar and poet a vicar means like intermediary of the pope is the vicar of god

01:05:21.140 he's the the intermediary of god's will on earth but in protestantism it just means like pastor

01:05:27.680 minister priest the guy who handles a parish is the vicar right so haver schmidt was a modernist

01:05:36.480 um big on science big on rationality reason not big on doctrinaire not big on dogma priests

01:05:45.420 tyranny centralization not a big fan of any of that he was also deeply into frisian nationalism

01:05:53.080 and Frisian prehistory um Frisian history like starts relatively late because not many people

01:06:01.520 were writing about the Netherlands circa like 980 it's just a fact um you'll notice I said he

01:06:10.680 had a pen name more like an alter ego Haverschmidt wrote a lot of satires and whimsical allegorical

01:06:20.120 fancy is under the pen name Pete Paltjens. Pete Paltjens made multiple mytho-historical tales to

01:06:32.260 convey theology. He had a bifurcated theology, Haberschmidt did. On the one hand, he was very

01:06:39.920 focused on rationalism. Science is the tool by which we understand the will of God. He was also

01:06:47.060 big on this idea of inner conscience conscience is really big amongst protestants in the germanic

01:06:53.140 world because simply put conscience is what you call it when you think the pope is completely

01:06:59.380 wrong and a dummy but the pope he's the pope the the heir of saint peter he has the key which at

01:07:08.380 one time meant like a literal physical key that the pope would theoretically use to open a gate

01:07:12.360 to let your soul into heaven you have to do what the pope says he has the key i cannot my conscience

01:07:19.260 right you see a lot about conscience in uh 20th 19th century germanic texts because it's a

01:07:29.340 protestant affectively how do you disagree how do you justify disagreeing with the pope

01:07:34.120 mankind have men have souls my soul is telling me i have to disagree with the pope right

01:07:41.420 so francois haverschmidt was a a student of i want to get this guy's full name um

01:07:50.080 uh where is it uh jan hendrik schulten and later of a man by the name of huikas i couldn't find

01:07:57.860 huikas's first name it doesn't really matter schulten is where the rationalism comes from

01:08:02.680 huikas is where the inner conscience comes from schulten almost drove francois haverschmidt to

01:08:10.260 atheism, like real atheism. Hoikas kept him in religion by, through the monism, God is in

01:08:18.420 everyone. God is where you get your soul from. God is where you get your conscience from. 0.98

01:08:24.420 Haberschmidt was a modernist, a liberal, a progressive. He did a wedding ceremony where

01:08:28.600 God has fatherly and motherly characteristics. That is absolutely verboten in the orthodox,

01:08:36.080 supernatural believing in protestant church of his day yes supernatural believing in

01:08:43.120 francois haverschmidt denied the existence of miracles in the supernatural so

01:08:48.580 the winkler theory aka the truth is that francois haverschmidt wrote the initial

01:08:59.780 Oerolinda book, the Ur Oerolinda book, or rather the first half. Then Cornelis Oerolinda took that

01:09:09.760 Ur manuscript and rewrote it in the Oerolinda book script, and that would explain why there's

01:09:19.560 so many errors in this, why it seems like he's haphazardly, he doesn't put F on every third

01:09:28.420 person indicative present now right no speaker of the language he is purporting would do that

01:09:36.500 no speaker of modern english would drop these on a third person present singular indicative now

01:09:43.460 they just wouldn't do it right hoverschmidt's theology um and through him schultans is

01:09:52.420 is omnipresent throughout the text once you start looking for it so um in a lot of ways the

01:09:59.580 or linda books cosmology is a one-to-one of um like the theological cosmology is a one-to-one

01:10:06.140 of schulton and haverschmidt's the monotheistic creator god the hyper emphasis on rationalism

01:10:12.500 the extreme focus on freedom inner conscience the commune ism the ancient the ancient frisian past

01:10:19.400 Right. Including and this is an interesting tell the 3000 year freedom slavery cycles.

01:10:25.520 The world goes through this cycle cycle of like every 3000 years we start at like the golden age of freedom and then we fall into slavery and tyranny and then we rise up and back to freedom.

01:10:38.340 and i'm not doing a circle but you get the idea the contradiction of man's desire for tyranny

01:10:46.100 and the nature of freedom is something that shows up shows up in schulton um the story of

01:10:54.500 there's this maiden named troost who builds a shelter step by step and it's a big allegory um

01:11:01.060 it's a big allegory for what do i have it as an allegory for i gotta get to it here we go

01:11:04.820 building the shelter step by step is an allegory for man growing divine potential by creating

01:11:11.280 element by by the shelter is freedom the more freedom you have from tyranny the closer you are

01:11:17.780 to god get it she's sheltered from the elements she's sheltered from tyranny freedom right um

01:11:27.360 haverschmidt made the initial ur or linda then and cornellis over to linden then translated it

01:11:38.220 into he antiquified it so he takes this text to ilko virwis who is this bookish uh bit of a spurg

01:11:48.860 kind of a character who is on the one hand humoring over to linden about getting this sent to the

01:11:56.380 archives which is a government office keep that in mind um he wasn't super he wasn't as critical

01:12:05.740 of the text as he should have been he kind of played a middleman he probably would have gotten

01:12:09.900 a bit of a financial compensation had this turned out to have been real and gotten absorbed by the

01:12:15.180 public just saying um he doesn't appear to have been crazy or like malicious but he did not do

01:12:22.860 his due diligence as a scholar, particularly one who is supposed to do preliminary research on the

01:12:29.400 authenticity of certain documents and include that in his reports. He didn't vouch for the

01:12:36.160 authenticity of the book, but he didn't deny it when he saw problems. That's an important point.

01:12:43.140 So Ruiz sends it to Winkler. Winkler sends it to Otma. Otma is why Haverschmidt

01:12:54.260 and doesn't admit the ruse. So Jan Gerhardus Otma becomes a believer in 1870.

01:13:02.040 Jensma calls him a convert because this becomes his religion.

01:13:09.780 so uh when otma comes out he he completely tarnishes his reputation he was very important 0.98

01:13:21.280 scholar of his day trashes his reputation some people thought this is he is such a dumb 0.99

01:13:28.700 words i'm not going to say and offend the southerners that are listening such a moron for 1.00

01:13:34.480 this how could he do this they thought he had to be in on it they thought he had to be trying to do 1.00

01:13:38.620 this as like a scam to get money because it's just how can he how can he believe this but he

01:13:44.500 believed it he was a religious believer in how did you pronounce the name sir were all the bralda

01:13:50.560 uh yeah i just i've heard it pronounced ralda so i say ralda yeah he is a true believer in ralda

01:13:57.980 um a few other even i'm not going to be mean to the person i want to the person i want to

01:14:06.420 compare him to is not listening to this program, but I'm not going to be mean and say it, but

01:14:10.080 a few other evangelical weak-willed conservatives followed suit. Ralda served as a way for them to

01:14:18.660 have an out. They were too chicken to oppose modernism, but they didn't want to throw away

01:14:26.180 religion. They didn't want to be atheists, but they also didn't want to say like, no really guys,

01:14:31.340 yahweh will smite you if you disagree and so bralda served as an out um

01:14:37.580 atma was a true believer he edited classical texts like herodotus to bring them in line with

01:14:45.800 the truth like he got a copy of herodotus and went through with a pen and corrected it

01:14:50.860 because the oerolinda book does not lie this book for him was religious revelation it was his bible

01:14:59.440 um he had he he's the one that coined the term the o'erra lindebook we call it that because of him

01:15:07.040 right um the o'erra lindebook back um he produced a bad translation of the book to modern dutch

01:15:18.460 translating it from the archaic antiquified pseudo old dutch it was very bad he smoothed

01:15:26.180 over a lot of the puns and jokes that are in the book that you can see if you read it in like the

01:15:33.340 original um because he's doing an extremely literalist bordering on reinterpretation he had

01:15:41.840 an odd non-analytical historiography he treated the past as fact and not fiction history is a

01:15:49.660 series of stories we tell based on evidence but for atma history was like you can just go to

01:15:58.500 germany you can just walk there and see the the lederhosen and the debatwurst and die frauen

01:16:05.540 right as if like this because remember like let's let's just take off our skeptic hats for a minute

01:16:13.920 here this is a text claiming to be like ancestral wisdom passed down through the generations

01:16:18.860 it has gaps in it right like like the book on its own terms has to be accepted as an incomplete

01:16:24.820 story because it's there's gaps in the narrative right like the gap happens and then 10 years later

01:16:31.580 100 years later right so atma's public binary reframed the debate away from this is a joke

01:16:40.320 this is a hoax this is some kind of something with this it's not to this is a fortune this is

01:16:47.580 a hoax to this is a matter of this is a lie right the middle position of it's it's like a puzzle

01:16:56.840 you're supposed to solve the puzzle and see that the the thing inside was just completely smoothed

01:17:02.220 over because it was either truth or lies as a scholarly matter not a matter of literary

01:17:09.220 interpretation and again he was a man of status and position in dutch academic society so he

01:17:17.900 quadrupled down when people were like bro what are you doing um wan pier that's where the word

01:17:25.220 vampire comes from the arabic arabic calligraphy remnants of frisian script prehistoric telegraphs

01:17:35.100 The ancient Dutchman had prehistoric telegraphs and, like, apparently prehistoric firearms, given that they had laws prohibiting their usage, right?

01:17:45.020 He would sign letters in the dating system based on, like, years since the fall of Atlan.

01:17:50.780 He had a copy of the book that he had on his nightstand that he would sleep next to.

01:17:55.420 This was, like, a religious act.

01:17:56.940 He would sleep next to the book.

01:17:59.040 He twice recopied the book in the script, one page per day, as, like, a religious meditative act.

01:18:04.760 which i'm not making fun of him for doing that like as a thing like that's a super based idea

01:18:11.200 i've thought about doing that with like the hop them all but like with the book like you know he

01:18:15.580 converted to this as his religion he tried to make a dictionary of the fake language and grammar

01:18:20.600 um he also created uh i think the proper term is like pf fraud like pious frauds like he made

01:18:30.740 fake older versions of things to defend the book um and he also circulated false accusations like

01:18:37.800 there was a i didn't write down the guy's name because it doesn't it's a who cares thing but

01:18:41.220 a famous classicist died right and then he circulated false accusations

01:18:46.600 from like anonymous skeptics that that was the guy who wrote it 0.98

01:18:51.280 because look look at how dumb the opposition is they think this nonsense you can clearly see this

01:18:57.140 guy didn't write it because he wasn't in the country at the time you know like that kind of 0.98

01:19:01.440 a thing like making up nonsense to smear the opposition he quintupled down on the authenticity

01:19:08.580 of this so why didn't haverschmidt come out haverschmidt was um a number of things the victim

01:19:18.280 of a catastrophic pr failure on this part this book was now when atma got involved this book

01:19:25.060 became an international and national controversy this was a big deal in in the Netherlands it was 0.82

01:19:31.200 the subject of academic debate it was the subject of a religious scandal like the Protestants are

01:19:38.680 arguing about whether or not God zaps people with lightning and all of a sudden there's like

01:19:42.660 matriarchal communistic neo-pagans as like that's like something they have to think about now like

01:19:47.960 this was like a big deal um it was also a nationalist thing i don't mean to be mean to

01:19:55.580 the dutch but why isn't the netherlands part of germany like no really like if you look at dutch

01:20:03.820 it's about as far from hockdeutsch as bavarian is give or take i'm not a you know what i mean here

01:20:09.320 it's like all of the little dialects of german dutch could be one of them in another timeline

01:20:14.900 why isn't it the dutch identity as a distinct ethno-nationalist phenomena is relatively young

01:20:21.120 and the dutch were very defensive of their sovereignty from you know papal rule from

01:20:27.500 from germany from england from spain from the pope and so this like guys everyone descends from

01:20:37.000 the dutch was a big deal for an ethnos that was still relatively young and still undecided in a

01:20:44.940 lot of of what what does it mean to be dutch does it mean being a matriarchal communist

01:20:50.580 it could be you know the the question wasn't resolved um and of course the government was 0.80

01:21:00.520 involved. Remember how I said archivist? Remember how I compared it to the Register of Deeds? You

01:21:06.920 know what it is if you go to the Register of Deeds and you make a deed that someone didn't sign?

01:21:12.260 It's fraud. That's a crime. You get in a lot of trouble. But we're Americans, so we only care

01:21:18.840 about money. In the Netherlands, you know what it is if you bring a faked ancient document at the

01:21:24.080 time? I don't know if they still do this, but you know what it is if you bring a faked ancient

01:21:27.900 document to the the local archivist it's fraud you get in trouble you go to whatever their

01:21:35.180 equivalent of prison is at this time it's probably like a workhouse where you like have to turn a

01:21:40.140 crank to work a pump that like keeps the levy from flooding or something right you have a minimum

01:21:46.540 you have to pay a lot of money and you're never allowed near a college again or to church because

01:21:52.300 remember francois hoverschmidt yeah he's a liberal yeah he's a cock on the issue of miracles

01:21:59.160 he's a priest that is his job he went to seminary he makes a living because every day little dutch 0.93

01:22:08.020 grannies put their their uh netherland marks their their whatever the money is called over 0.85

01:22:15.040 there in the till right if this guy gets caught writing matriarchal neo-pagan communist fan fiction

01:22:24.900 or worse actual pagan theology he not only loses his job he gets labeled a heretic

01:22:33.220 the netherlands was only a short period away from that resulting in him dying like getting thrown

01:22:41.840 in a metal cage and burnt to death for like no one wants this to happen like the oyer linden book

01:22:50.180 no one in the netherlands wanted this so when it happens it's a big deal unfortunately

01:22:57.160 atma quadruples down and over to linden also does too because now he's a celebrity because now he's

01:23:06.500 the scion of this ancient lineage kings he was kings they was kings literally over to linden's

01:23:13.680 bloodline is like cornell's over to linden this book claims is descended from an ancient lineage

01:23:19.860 of like scribal priest kings keeping secret knowledge given to man by god like he's basically

01:23:26.820 a minor prophet if not a major prophet go on sir how dare you call over to linden's ancestors

01:23:34.860 priests all right that's like a big insult yeah it's this odd anti well not odd for the time i

01:23:43.240 guess but the issue with priests i think like it might be the opening line of the orlinda book is

01:23:49.340 like aki my son never let the eyes of a priest or a monk go over these writings or some such

01:23:56.300 yeah and there's this anti-catholic thing in there because catholicism is uh what's called

01:24:03.760 high church um a great example our listeners will be familiar with the afa is high church we have

01:24:10.560 an ulterior go through we have the witten the gothar we have folk builders we have a structured

01:24:15.200 hierarchy we have centralization um an autocracy etc uh that's what the catholic church was

01:24:24.000 i guess it still is kind of um i think it still is the touchstone in christianity there's no

01:24:29.120 no one hired church these days yeah well so that's that's kind of what they're what they're

01:24:40.640 going for with the whole the freeans or fryans frisians however you want to pronounce it um

01:24:46.100 sort of rebelling and stepping away from the uh what the priests the magi magiars whatever they

01:24:58.420 call them in the oral in the book so real quick here just to kind of go back i sort of touched

01:25:03.400 on this and now we can now we can actually say the bit so the magi maggie is magic in dutch

01:25:13.340 so miracles the supernatural it's magic right these are the magicians they literally like

01:25:21.260 trick people with magic um the frisians the freeans the free folk they use weapons of iron 0.84

01:25:28.100 but the devilish magian people those asiatics the yellow ones they use weapons of gold they're weak 0.75

01:25:35.640 but deceptively pretty magic right um so the frisians fight the finns aka the the phenin

01:25:44.980 that's a slur that the more uh uh secular protestants would use for the pro-supernatural

01:25:53.480 orthodox protestants so you can kind of think like like like silicon valley very liberal jews

01:26:01.740 looking at like hasids you know like in new york right like there is a split here and it's not

01:26:10.200 like they dressed differently right this is a cultural religious separation that's going on

01:26:16.320 and it is kind of like a fight for like what does the dutch ethnos look like

01:26:20.660 if you were an alien and you came down and you looked at mark zuckerberg and like 0.63

01:26:25.300 you know the heavy like the you know moses in in new york you would not be 0.96

01:26:32.800 it wouldn't be a wrong idea to think that these are two ethnic two different ethnic groups because 0.99

01:26:37.340 they kind of are right so the the magi have like um the fins as their minions well they first what 1.00

01:26:45.920 they do is they first they conquer the Hungarians, the Magyars, and then they

01:26:52.340 conquer the the Finns. So the Pope conquers the Asiatic hordes and uses 0.64

01:27:03.160 them to enlist the minionship of the Orthodox Protestants against the free 1.00

01:27:09.220 thinking liberal protestants right the free people against the magic believers and the

01:27:19.380 the superstitious bumpkins but you see what i mean like like this is a pun right atma's

01:27:28.660 literalist translation however like if you translate the the free people to the frisians

01:27:36.100 um academics think that like frisians actually comes from like the frizzy ones because they'd

01:27:43.500 like spike their hair up in a celtic fashion um i don't i don't know well it's it's more sensible

01:27:49.800 than the free folk if you look at other tribal names of germanic peoples like like the sword

01:27:54.860 people the spear people the one the ones who pour out you know the strong guys right like

01:28:00.160 that's not right that's something that gets on my nerves but the orlinda book too is it uses a lot

01:28:06.520 of folk etymology and people back then did do that but that doesn't make folk etymology correct

01:28:13.280 right um another comparison to plato plato does a lot of like ah yes tartarus it sounds like

01:28:19.560 like tartarus which is a word for for misty it's the misty place which is forgivable if you like 0.97

01:28:26.680 live in ancient greece and going to the next city-state over is hard but you know you know

01:28:34.520 like we'll get into the words in a minute we'll get into the words um but like just so just to

01:28:39.500 go back to what i was saying real quick the free people they're fighting the magic users and the

01:28:46.800 tyrannical priesthood who enlists the help of the superstitious ones that is completely glossed

01:28:55.100 over if you just say the frisians fight the finns and the magyars who are working for i mean when i

01:29:02.140 hear magi i think of like persian priests like zoroastrian clergymen because i'm a bit of a nerd

01:29:07.380 but like if you bring up the magi to the average american they'll think like oh yeah those three 0.98

01:29:11.620 dudes that brought jesus a bunch of smelly stuff and gold which they're zoroastrian priests like

01:29:18.160 they're not wrong for thinking that they just don't get the full picture of it um

01:29:22.400 so over to linda takes this and and just runs with it and he's he is writing with atma and

01:29:35.080 enhancing the story and and making the situation worse um i don't mean

01:29:45.380 so let's talk about francois haverschmidt's inner life he was a man who suffered from depression his

01:29:51.780 entire life he was always moody he was always emotionally unstable he was prone to incredible

01:29:56.780 self-doubt he always felt socially inadequate he was very prone to guilt he killed himself in 1894

01:30:02.600 i don't know if it was because of this but i imagine he felt he's a man who feels guilty

01:30:09.200 easily he perpetrated a hoax put two and two together i'm not saying he killed himself because

01:30:14.080 of the oi relinda book but you know this could not have helped his mental state he's already

01:30:19.600 squeaking by a very dubious and dangerous religious and ethnic conflict and then oh

01:30:26.920 by the way the neo-pagan fanfic you wrote yeah it's in the news right and probably he came out

01:30:35.080 if he came out and admitted it when atma went public and became like a convert and over to

01:30:39.880 linden was quadrupling down he would go to jail he would suffer legal consequences for having

01:30:45.300 written the er draft that over to linden then antiquified um do you want to talk about something

01:30:53.940 sir while i go on go through my notes here to see if there's anything more i should say before we get

01:30:58.040 into the uh like the words just kind of like yeah sure uh so i'm just gonna rip the band-aid

01:31:08.760 off uh the old seragothi always says on here truth is one of our virtues uh there is some

01:31:14.940 anti-catholic stuff in here and there's some anti-jewish stuff in here and you know fair enough

01:31:22.060 uh but it's i gotta think about how it words it in the book it's something about like there were

01:31:31.440 um frisians that sailed east or some such and their language changed and they became

01:31:40.860 broad-skinned and curly-haired and enjoyed putting rings of gold in their ears and then they

01:31:48.480 they came back and started uh spreading spreading their false faith among our folk which is

01:31:55.980 like four layers of irony a little bit if you think about it because christianity is

01:32:00.680 exactly what they just described um also there's parts where they refer to fenda's folk which

01:32:11.260 as we mentioned is asians i think it also when they're talking about jews they

01:32:16.580 they mean they say fenda's folk i could be wrong on that though so let's real quick run down the

01:32:23.500 i don't mean to be mean to the dutch i feel bad saying that for like the fifth time but

01:32:29.300 they'll be all right why isn't the netherlands the capital of the world

01:32:33.680 right so here's a freedom of freedom so why does this utopian society fail

01:32:43.140 magi and magi and magian corruption causes cracks and fissures to form and the rise of tyranny and

01:32:51.260 patriarchy so patriarchy inheritance the men start getting uppity and hysterical and

01:32:58.920 local rulers import foreign customs to centralized power they disobey the texts

01:33:04.560 they disobey um free as values so the the there is actually an over male figure it is um friso

01:33:13.020 who is the uh you know how the prisons from india you know how um is it is it abraham

01:33:23.020 gets renamed to yisrael when he makes the covenant with yahweh so like the whole all of his

01:33:30.260 descendants are yisrael because they are the descendants of the guy named yisrael the house

01:33:35.720 of yisrael right so the frisians are like that with friso who is whereas fria is the feminine

01:33:43.320 prophetess saint of this society friso is the male counterpart in as much as he's like

01:33:51.600 you the reader are supposed to look at friso and be like ah value virtue freedom right he's the guy

01:34:01.480 you're supposed to emulate because you can't you can't emulate fria um they disobey the text and

01:34:08.380 they disobey friso's values right this is a parable about christianity because you were saying sir 0.96

01:34:16.240 Like, Christians went to Africa and, like, bullied and harassed Africans into taking up Christianity. 0.82

01:34:23.700 It's not like the Dutch weren't aware of that. 0.87

01:34:26.900 The Netherlands had a colonial empire.

01:34:29.260 There were people who were critical of this.

01:34:31.360 And, I mean, it's hard to talk about, like, my inner conscience.

01:34:35.740 I must disobey the pope and then turn around and be like, oh, hey, but you guys over there, you got to obey me.

01:34:43.480 I don't have to obey the pope, but you got to obey me.

01:34:46.240 There were Dutchmen who were opposed to the colonial imposition of Christianity upon African colonial and imperial subjects.

01:34:56.120 And this is really critical of the imposition of Christianity upon people.

01:35:04.720 It's a Christian priest saying that Christianity spread through subversion, the importation of foreign customs, and helping people centralize power when they shouldn't have.

01:35:14.840 And is that a criticism of African colonialism, or is it a criticism of Constantine, Clovis, and Trigvison? I mean, yes. Like, I don't know what to tell you.

01:35:29.780 um so should we do some questions or do you want me to go on to the word nerding because

01:35:41.780 after the word nerding i want to go into where does this go after opma yeah let's do let's do

01:35:48.480 some questions uh real quick folk builder ron boardman uh bought us five coffees 25 i don't

01:35:57.460 know why they can't just call it that but that's all right uh those are that's some awesome clip

01:36:06.240 art um i think it's my finest work it's my finest work uh austin asks a little bit after the loyal

01:36:20.700 saxons episode but why do you think the anglo-saxons were so vulnerable during the viking age

01:36:26.440 why were the danes able to be so successful so uh being 90 something percent english that's a fun

01:36:33.920 subject for me uh the anglo-saxons were so vulnerable during the viking age because

01:36:38.820 like our modern anglo-saxon leadership here in america or in britain or anywhere in the anglosphere

01:36:45.400 uh there was kind of a certain amount of like stratification might be the right word between

01:36:55.520 the nobility and royalty of the saxons and the peasantry and well there's two issues there's that

01:37:06.760 and where the leaders have become so kind of detached from the idea of actually caring for

01:37:15.500 their people um so being a leader is supposed to be an oath right you your people let you lead

01:37:27.440 and you protect them essentially and the anglo-saxons knew this well at first anyway

01:37:33.180 the also true ones did the first couple generations of the christian ones did

01:37:36.900 but by the time of the viking age that had kind of changed and we start seeing something more

01:37:43.100 similar to high medieval ages kingship um in that it leaders just weren't looking out for their

01:37:53.980 people essentially in most cases and so if the vikings were able to take over a few villages

01:38:00.980 and raid a few different places before the uh local elderman or thane or whatever started to

01:38:06.280 care well then the vikings had already made that much progress the other issue is just kind of

01:38:12.320 logistics one um england had you know not unified of course uh they had just gotten to the point

01:38:23.360 where they were all agreeing that they were english essentially but they still weren't one

01:38:27.700 kingdom of england you know they had at this point it was essentially northumbria mercia

01:38:33.520 wessex east anglia and so the very very first attack by viking raiders is not at linda's farm

01:38:45.680 like many people claim but it was in portland in i think mercia anyway um so the anglo-saxons had

01:38:55.620 traded with danes before they were cousin people they knew the danes they could speak to the danes

01:38:59.840 language was mutually intelligible it's kind of like meeting someone from your side of the united

01:39:04.400 states right and so a danish ship comes by real quick just to say um jackson crawford and simon

01:39:12.480 roper i believe that's his name um jackson crawford is an academic who studies the old

01:39:18.400 norse language um medieval technically he's a scholar of medieval scandinavian literature

01:39:24.000 um simon roper is i don't believe he's a doctor but i'm pretty certain he's some kind of academic

01:39:29.120 he studies old english and both of them are able to communicate in these languages i mean roughly

01:39:34.960 you know but they can speak them off they can speak them from their head and they did a thing

01:39:39.760 where they would actually they met i don't know if they met up or if they did it digitally but

01:39:43.680 they had a conversation in their languages and once they got once they got the point of like you know

01:39:51.520 put the greg's pasty in the boot so we can take the lift mate meant then it was like oh yeah

01:39:57.280 they're speaking this language with an accent right they literally thought of themselves as 0.80

01:40:03.680 one ethnos until like relatively recently when the vikings show up and start viking yeah and even then

01:40:12.000 the big difference wasn't like ah these are crazy random foreigners it was oh hey these are our

01:40:17.920 pagan cousins from the homeland i thought they would have converted by now they didn't ah um

01:40:23.920 Um, but yeah, so the first Vikings, I guess, to arrive in England, they show up in Portland 0.61

01:40:30.180 and the Mercians, I'm pretty sure it was Mercians.

01:40:33.840 They think it's just another merchant ship of Danes, which is a very, very common sight

01:40:38.440 of them.

01:40:38.780 Just sail across the North Sea real quick, swap goods, whatever.

01:40:42.940 And instead, you know, the Viking stabs the dude, the Mercian guy, come and check them

01:40:49.260 out and they kind of raid and they leave.

01:40:50.640 and then it's fine for a few years but that is kind of what causes that avalanche essentially

01:40:56.180 there wasn't the militaristic like infrastructure or um standard operating procedures in place for

01:41:05.100 how to deal with these things um a lot of that didn't really come together until alfred the

01:41:10.880 great's time establishing uh burrs which is one of the things they talk about in orlando book

01:41:16.820 but it's a fortress where the modern german word berg is you know fortress so um yeah it was a

01:41:25.700 logistics thing and it was just uh the leaders were too worried about like hunting foxes or

01:41:33.180 whatever in the great forest uh rather than worrying about their their peasantry as long

01:41:38.820 as their uh taxes were collected on time and such so relatable another thing um like if you look up

01:41:47.320 so uh in 865 uh you know a group of vikings under you know halfdan ragnarsson ivar the boneless

01:41:56.340 guthrum the old a few others set sail for england and then they arrive in what is referred to as

01:42:03.760 a great heathen army great means big like a big a big army of pagans comes in from scandinavia

01:42:11.680 they they are romping around england from 865 to 878 that's like 13 years that they're in england

01:42:23.960 not like repeated harrying of the coast like no they like land march into england and just

01:42:30.960 keep marching around for 13 years right the the structure of feudalism the way it had happened

01:42:39.520 in part due to the centralization of power ironically and ironic enough for the topic

01:42:45.820 but the tyranny that the church had helped impose was that you know how anglo like feudalism is a

01:42:53.000 the king has the dukes the duke have the dukes have their counts the counts have their barons

01:42:59.040 the barons have the peasants right and each one says all right i need a guy i need a guy from your

01:43:04.180 household right that takes a really long time to assemble so when the great heathen army shows up

01:43:09.620 they're just a micro state in a state of total war from the moment they land their boats and

01:43:16.720 decide to start stabbing people every man in the great heathen army is committed to the cause 0.68

01:43:22.420 because the alternative is dying you know they don't really have a home to go back to as long 0.79

01:43:27.620 as they're in england they have to get back in a boat and sail back to denmark or norway

01:43:32.000 they don't have to be like oh i wonder how the crops are doing or oh well i want to go fight

01:43:37.580 but you know my lord he's just uh i'm not a fan of him i hope someone stabs him they can't do that

01:43:44.080 because they are in england right um the the vikings were able to levy political speed a lot 0.72

01:43:56.380 better than the anglo-saxons were um there's also stuff about like the boats they could like strike

01:44:02.540 from rivers more easily like in the time it takes to assemble a cavalry army a bunch of scandies

01:44:08.600 could raid a monastery throw the treasure on the boat and be like out of the area you can't put the

01:44:15.680 horses on a boat i mean you can but not not like that efficiently right um i don't i don't really

01:44:22.740 know enough to say about this like conclusively but i have seen academics talk about the settlement

01:44:29.260 changes that start happening when christianity comes in like why are there monasteries so close

01:44:35.880 to the shore if you know that vikings are going to come and steal all your precious stuff 0.91

01:44:39.580 right like medieval scandinavians tended not to put important things next to the water 1.00

01:44:46.920 they would have like a little dock town and then they'd have a kind of centralized walkway going

01:44:52.500 up to the actual agricultural village this is generalizations right and i've seen academics

01:44:58.040 positing that the lack that the change away from that we don't want to be too close to the water

01:45:04.940 mindset starts to go away i wouldn't necessarily blame it on christianity as like a religion like

01:45:12.020 jesus makes you live near rivers or something but it as the feudal structure as peasants become

01:45:18.540 tools to extract wealth from the land for the lords becomes the idea rather than like free men

01:45:25.780 on the land cooperating to survive as that mindset shifts mindset shifts then it becomes easier for

01:45:34.960 these wild men to prey upon them like why did you make us why did you make it you know from like the

01:45:41.920 viking perspective it's like why did you make it so easy for us to steal all your gold crosses if

01:45:46.200 they mattered so much where are the guards and to be fair to the christians maybe not everyone

01:45:54.760 wants to live in a society where pirates could come around and just steal your fancy gold things

01:45:59.560 because we're told that um anglo-saxon scandinavian germanic holy sites had guards

01:46:05.520 like um what i would compare it to today is a tyler in freemasonry like a guy who is

01:46:11.740 tasked with protecting the entrance to keep outsiders from coming in but also like what we

01:46:18.320 would now call like a hop steward someone whose job it is is to keep the holy site maintained but

01:46:23.000 also like beat up people who want to show up and steal the shiny things right so like the transition

01:46:30.400 towards like a different model of what law and order means the clash there does not favor the

01:46:39.660 people who don't have armed guards outside of their holy sites you feel me which again i mean

01:46:46.460 i don't i don't want us to have armed guards at our holy sites or else don't get me wrong i'm not

01:46:51.040 i'm not saying the monks were totally wrong here in that regard but

01:46:54.500 it is a a difference in mindset that might that might not be immediately apparent

01:47:00.800 one other thing just kind of tangentially related but it's a cool story um and it's

01:47:09.620 this kind of, uh, moral of the story is part of what got my wife into Alcestru a little bit

01:47:17.160 is, um, so the part, why were the Danes able to be so successful? All the things we said,

01:47:23.620 and then again, kind of tangentially, I guess. So after Alfred the Great's army defeated

01:47:33.740 guthrum um i want to say it was the battle of eddington and then the treaty of wedmore i think

01:47:42.200 that's it uh was established and the uh guthrum's army his leaders had to swear on christian holy

01:47:51.000 relics that they would not attack again but how them all says give your enemies no peace you know

01:47:58.140 you don't have to honor oaths with enemies right and so guthrum whoever it was i'm pretty sure it 0.85

01:48:05.960 was good though he was like oh yeah sure dude i'll swear on this gold stick with a dead jewish 0.65

01:48:12.500 guy on it for sure man uh definitely i will not come attack you again and then afterwards you

01:48:20.000 know alfred and the saxons leave and he's like all right we'll start planning the next attack

01:48:24.020 because they're enemies why would they honor oath an oath with their enemies so yeah i always thought

01:48:30.740 that was a cool story and it kind of relates back to teachings from the hobble mall um when the when

01:48:36.100 the great heathen army makes landfall the king in whose territory they land goes to them and says

01:48:42.820 i'll give you a bunch of horses if you leave and so they take the horses and go to the next kingdom

01:48:50.260 over like and and they eventually come back and kill him because he's you know so um just to say

01:49:00.020 real quickly here um i looked at the comments and i just want to say this isn't quite a question but

01:49:04.260 i want to address it uh langolier early in osatruz reforging i don't know if the odinic right did this

01:49:10.740 or the uh australians but there was the runic year which is just ad plus 250. um we don't need

01:49:17.940 we don't need to get too deep into era years for ositru that's something i can spurg out on for

01:49:24.020 for too long and we already have to talk about a bunch of words in this book so let's go to the

01:49:28.480 next question yeah it's probably for the best we will have an era year later sir don't worry yeah

01:49:35.220 um let's see so this question is labeled as austin but it was comes from caleb uh it's

01:49:44.480 kind of multiple questions but it can be answered in the one long form answer i suppose are there

01:49:49.580 any tips or information or resources for people trying to make the trip to phrase off how many

01:49:54.680 people are currently signed up to come to the dedication will there be another event like the

01:49:58.380 phrase off dedication when was the last time there was a dedicated temple to prayer i'm gonna kind of

01:50:03.080 work backwards when was the last time there was a dedicated temple to prayer at least a thousand

01:50:09.220 years ago uh will there be another event like the phrase hoff dedication yes every time we

01:50:16.260 dedicate a hoff um they'll all be like a little different so uh inside baseball kind of i guess

01:50:24.260 um witten erickson as he'll be the hoff go with you for phrase hoff he's gotten to

01:50:29.060 decide on a lot of the little details i suppose so it's not going to be

01:50:34.720 you know like a shot for shot redo of what the njordshoff dedication was like which was not a

01:50:41.520 shot for shot redo what the thorshoff dedication was like etc but yeah it's yeah we're gonna have

01:50:47.040 more dedications um how many people are currently signed up to come to the dedication let's see

01:50:53.860 nick's been keeping a counter for us here let me scroll down 106 so far which is incredible that's

01:51:01.300 I think almost twice as many people came to Neuernhof's Charming the Plow this year.

01:51:07.380 So that's awesome.

01:51:10.000 It's going to be really crowded, but really fun.

01:51:14.920 The building will fit them.

01:51:16.620 The building will fit them.

01:51:18.120 All right.

01:51:18.660 Sure it will.

01:51:20.560 We'll see.

01:51:21.360 Are there any tips or information and resources for people trying to make the trip to Frazehoff?

01:51:25.660 I will let our Frazehoff fault builder here answer that.

01:51:29.080 um so if you go on to google maps and put in phrase hoff it will show you exactly where

01:51:39.100 phrase hoff fifth half of the austral folk assembly is it's a a lovely little i don't

01:51:46.140 know if you guys if where you're at sir um you have a better term for this i've always wanted

01:51:52.000 to call it like sub-rural it's like a suburb but in the country kind of um it is nearby two

01:52:02.080 uh two freeway exits like 10 minutes from 10 15 minutes from hotels either direction

01:52:10.420 uh get a hotel west of the hoff they're just better quality um but you would ideally you

01:52:23.540 would drive or carpool to um youngstown or austintown and it's going to be on a 12-6 that's

01:52:33.460 a that's a saturday right it's going to be on a saturday um but if you get there on friday you

01:52:39.520 know people are going to be in the hotels friday i don't want to say anything but you know people

01:52:44.160 will be there right um you would arrive saturday i'm certain there will be people who would

01:52:50.820 volunteer to ferry people around get in contact with your folk builder or any folk builder um

01:52:57.040 email me at c savage at runestone.org and i can try to you know accommodate somehow if you need

01:53:04.460 some like any member anyone in leadership will pass you along right i don't know if we've talked

01:53:11.540 about like carpooling yet but like it's a 15 minute drive on the freeway at most yeah it's

01:53:17.420 on the back roads it's one of those things we're not gonna like sit down and plan it out but like

01:53:22.020 at the last minute if you're like hey so and so can i get to ride to the hoff if they have room

01:53:27.540 in their vehicle it's a pretty much 100 chance they're gonna say yes you know the the missus

01:53:33.640 and i are going to cart lucy in her her baby car seat but we will have two seats in our car if you

01:53:39.640 don't mind being in the car with this squealer so um i also know once you rsvp witten erickson

01:53:46.840 sends out an email with like hotel addresses and all the tips and tricks and such too

01:53:55.480 yeah the big thing is if you're going rsvp we'll get you yes rsvp sooner rather than later the

01:54:02.680 date is approaching and if you need accommodation i don't mean that pejoratively but like if you're

01:54:06.920 going to need accommodation let us know in advance um i want to just say about when was the last time

01:54:14.600 there was a dedicated temple to frayer i don't know if it counts as dedicated but there was

01:54:19.560 there's a there was supposed to be a statue of him in the temple at upsala in sweden um king

01:54:24.760 bloatswain was murdered in 1087 and the temple was burnt destroyed burnt down shortly thereafter

01:54:34.840 so probably 1100 ish i want to say that's a that's under a thousand years technically but

01:54:42.280 like it's so close it's like oh wow you know well a thousand years sounds way cooler than 900 and

01:54:47.960 seven yeah yeah i know i'm sorry don't don't kill the cool factor um let's see uh tyler says hey

01:54:57.980 there question for the show tonight how has being also true impacted your role in your families be

01:55:03.020 they as sons parents husbands siblings etc do you find that being also true inspires you to do

01:55:08.880 things in your familial relationships that you may not otherwise do thanks uh you can start that

01:55:14.940 Chris um yes and no I think um I think in it gives my familial life and relationships structure

01:55:30.580 what does it mean to be a father what does it from my perspective like what does it mean for

01:55:36.800 my wife to be a mother how am how are we supposed to interact with our children with extended family

01:55:43.720 members um in a certain sense what do we owe them what do we owe the ancestors what do we owe our

01:55:49.640 descendants um i i saw in asatru a lot of what i in my soul wanted but couldn't necessarily put

01:56:03.240 into words or formal structure when when i started looking into this it was it it was coming home

01:56:12.360 and finding words to describe what i knew was home so i i don't think i would be a radically

01:56:20.920 different father if i wasn't asitru um i think being asitru has definitely made me more concerned

01:56:30.440 with living virtuously not like i was a person i don't think i was a particularly viceful man

01:56:36.920 before i would officially declare myself asitru i worship thor and odin and freya you know

01:56:41.560 but focused on the formal and orderly and open practice of the nine noble virtues of being a

01:56:53.240 just man I think it definitely inspires me too not like I would not be just to my children but

01:57:01.120 it makes me more aware of it and of like what I need to do you know I have to be all of these

01:57:08.740 nine virtues to my family particularly to my nuclear family particularly to my

01:57:14.380 extended family so on and so forth um I feel kind of bad because I don't have a 0.91

01:57:22.060 fun like Christian style like I was a sinner before I came home kind of a

01:57:26.560 story but right I think the conscious ordering is important you know yeah I'm

01:57:36.700 I'm kind of the same way.

01:57:38.240 I've always been on goody two-shoes, kind of a nerd.

01:57:41.700 You know, I didn't really – yeah, I don't have a story about, like, oh, I hit rock bottom, but then Alcatruz saved me.

01:57:47.280 Alcatruz definitely made me better, and it's definitely the right thing to be doing, you know, obviously.

01:57:52.400 But I can think of – let me kind of look at the question, make sure I answer it correctly again.

01:58:00.640 yeah so do i find it inspires me to do things that i wouldn't otherwise do yeah kind of um

01:58:11.060 when i was a christian and when i was an atheist there's sort of this idea in christianity and

01:58:18.060 you've all heard it if you're listening to this the kind of thing that jesus says he'll turn

01:58:22.340 brother against brother father against son whatever um and so there's kind of this mindset

01:58:29.260 and it's not too prevalent here in the south because we're so family oriented or at least

01:58:36.440 we used to be but uh you know this idea of like well i have god and if my family doesn't accept

01:58:43.120 me or god then they're no family of mine right and uh as an atheist too you have like that 0.59

01:58:49.800 kind of cringe libtard whatever mindset of like cutting out toxic people or some such you know 0.89

01:58:58.700 like leftists are always willing to just like completely disown somebody because they they uh 0.87

01:59:06.060 called them their birth name instead of their new made up tumblr name or whatever

01:59:10.220 um not that i was ever that kind of atheist but you get the idea and so now for example uh

01:59:19.100 Uh, so, okay. As an example, I always try to, so I'm the oldest of my siblings. And so if there's

01:59:32.580 ever conflict with my siblings or their spouses or whatever, and there's not usually thankfully,

01:59:37.360 but sometimes it happens. And, uh, I always have to be the one to fix it. And I take a certain

01:59:44.740 pride in that and i can't find a way to directly relate it to alsatru but it's like

01:59:50.980 if i know i'm gonna have to like confront my sister and my brother because they're arguing

01:59:55.400 about something stupid and i have to fix i'm i you know in my head i go this is the noble thing

02:00:00.640 to do this is the arian thing to do this is the alsatru thing to do and i'm gonna do it because 0.94

02:00:04.600 i'm alsatru so i don't have a cool answer uh for it but yeah there's that as far as religion

02:00:13.180 sometimes people say like you know this is kind of a ramble but i promise it's related to this

02:00:21.640 this question here sometimes people like critique us or just anyone in general about like

02:00:28.540 oh well your religion your ideology is illegitimate because it just involves doing

02:00:35.260 things you want to do it doesn't involve doing things that are hard and i think something

02:00:42.940 that we have to do for religion that is hard is try to stick by and guide and maintain family

02:00:51.260 when it might honestly just be easier to cut out a toxic person i'm not a go these so i don't get to

02:00:58.440 like opine on this officially but i mean i think we i think even within awesome true there's a

02:01:04.540 limit where it's like yeah no you are too toxic you you know i'm not i'm not trying to save this

02:01:09.720 part of the family but like our limit for too toxic is a little farther out than perhaps some

02:01:17.020 other people's might and you know you got to put on the hazmat suit and go fix the problem

02:01:24.100 that can be hard when you don't want to do it um because everyone talks about family as it's this

02:01:31.860 thing that matters but then like we have to do it it's the thing we have to do even if it isn't fun

02:01:41.620 you know um i'm done yeah that's definitely i would

02:01:49.420 i don't we don't have like some official position on that in the trula mile or anything but like

02:01:56.520 yeah that's correct we we should be uh it's this interesting balance of we have to

02:02:04.040 yeah be willing to give our folks some grace for lack of a less christian sounding word

02:02:10.220 but also there are times when you have to kind of prioritize people and and say no you're not

02:02:19.800 going to do this in front of my kid or whatever you know what i mean uh i thankfully don't have 0.92

02:02:26.520 any transvestite relatives but if one wanted to come meet my son i'm going to go tell him to pound 0.91

02:02:33.200 sand and i'm gonna call him by his birth name when i do so just for a little added punch because 0.99

02:02:40.360 i'm a jerk for example uh i want to try and answer this question better than i have let me 0.53

02:02:48.900 look at it again um the only other way i could think out of also true impacting my role in my 0.96

02:02:59.940 family is like i guess in regards to how i have planned for my son's life so far so before he

02:03:10.360 was born i think it was like at the baby shower i kind of told everybody like hey no gender

02:03:17.800 liberal whatever ideology anything around my son ever i mean it no christianity anything around my

02:03:26.980 son ever i mean it he lives in the south he's gonna hear it the furthest out of this part of

02:03:33.120 the south we ever plan on living is sigraham which is in tennessee this guy he'll get plenty

02:03:39.560 of christianity don't add on to it it's not happening i mean it you know try me right um

02:03:46.060 Other than that, maybe I've just been Alistair now long enough where I don't remember how I can't, like, theorize on how I would have acted without it.

02:03:59.440 So, sorry for the kind of lame answer.

02:04:01.800 um so i saw in the chat go the rob stam i assume that's go the rob stam and not another rob stam

02:04:12.640 but moving on pointing out that this or or linda book stuff disagrees with a general

02:04:20.980 westward movement of the proto-indo-european peoples um for a brief recap brief actually

02:04:31.620 normal person brief not me brief um white people come from three populations um nearly the

02:04:40.340 country gatherers who come up from uh africa the anatolian farmers who come up from anatolia

02:04:48.940 which today is which today is turkey and then the proto-indo-europeans aka the step herders

02:04:55.100 who i mean they experience their ethnogenesis in the ukraine so technically they start in europe

02:05:01.500 but there's been enough work done to trace their movement from further east westward right there's

02:05:07.940 this movement into europe from outside of it that's how white people come about we see an

02:05:14.900 archaeological in addition to genetic flow westward with the exception of the anatolian

02:05:21.900 branch of the indo-european family and uh the tokarians and the the anatolian tokarian and

02:05:28.520 indo-iranic branches move out of europe eastward southward but everyone else moves west there's a

02:05:38.040 westward movement into europe which is exactly the opposite of what the o'era linda book is

02:05:45.960 positing which is an eastward movement out of frisia and ironically the patriarchal inheritance

02:05:52.900 having priest having out of asia guys are the bad guys so i'm a word nerd my instinct when i hear

02:06:04.040 about this text is what do the words say so how does the language like the content of the language

02:06:11.220 of the oyer linda book look because if this is a genuinely old text we should see some pretty

02:06:18.920 interesting things. For example, the word, the singular of Æsir, Æsir, Æs, sorry, the vowel's

02:06:28.840 got to be long, is cognate with the Old English Æs and the Gothic Ænts. And in Old English and

02:06:39.600 Old Norse, this word means got, just means the Æsir, the tribe of the deities. But in Gothic,

02:06:46.680 we're told that it refers to ancestors now this term is cognate with the sanskrit asura which

02:06:53.520 at the latest date refers to the i'm just gonna say gods of chaos because it's easy and we don't

02:07:00.060 need to talk about hinduism too much but before that it refers also to the devas the the gods of

02:07:05.940 order and before that it just means lords in general means lords in general in the earliest

02:07:11.640 strata avestin the uh the old language of iran and then in a later strata of avestin it refers

02:07:18.280 to the deities of uh zoroastrian like ahura mazda it means lord wise ahura mazda means lord

02:07:26.760 literally means lord wise the wise lord um interestingly this term is also cognate with the

02:07:37.080 hittite is what everyone calls them but they're different than the people who are called the

02:07:41.000 the hittites in the bible they should be called the neshins because that's what they called 0.84

02:07:44.340 themselves whatever the hittite emperor was the hashu and his wife was the hashuana this word is 0.98

02:07:50.840 cognate with isir and it just refers to the emperor he's obviously not a deity right so we should

02:07:57.560 expect to see some pretty interesting stuff in this book right we do so the the aware linda book

02:08:05.240 uses the word it's pronounced i'm just going to wing it merkt yet means market comes from the

02:08:12.240 latin word meaning comes from the latin market which comes from an etruscan word which is

02:08:19.340 something like merks etruscan is not an indo-european language why is there but more

02:08:28.420 importantly, why is there an Etruscan word in an ancient Frisian text handed down by detailed

02:08:37.700 copyist devotees and preserving this directly and correctly is like the point of this family

02:08:44.580 is religion, right? Now, scholars at the time didn't know crap about Etruscan. We still know 0.77

02:08:53.860 relatively little about it because we don't have a Rosetta Stone. We can pronounce, we have a lot

02:08:59.560 of Etruscan, relatively, we have a good amount of Etruscan texts. We know these words, we don't know

02:09:05.200 what they mean because they're never defined in a language that we know. For comparison, the

02:09:10.640 Rosetta Stone is this big block that has a text in Greek, Latin, and Egyptian on it. Up until that

02:09:21.540 point egyptian was completely unknown to the western world because we just didn't know what

02:09:28.460 the hieroglyphics meant um so etruscan wasn't actually really understood by westerners until

02:09:35.440 after world war one world war two really like hitler is dead for like a decade before anyone

02:09:45.040 is like confident in what things in Etruscan mean this is a very young science right so the creator

02:09:54.340 of the O.I. Rolinda book would be completely unaware of the fact that market is not a Latin

02:10:00.740 word let alone maybe even a Germanic one honestly um at one point the Frisians send out people to

02:10:09.540 the himalayas the himalayas as they call it in that one ramayana anime my wife and i watched

02:10:16.860 actually pretty fun little movie what i digress himalayas comes from sanskrit and it very clearly

02:10:24.140 comes from sanskrit you know what the modern english equivalent of himalayas would be i want

02:10:30.420 to make sure the modern english equivalent of himalaya in uh english would be rhyme slime

02:10:36.780 if you look at the cognates of what it means because it means like the deposited house or

02:10:43.200 something like that right um himalayas is only possible if it's a loan word from scant from

02:10:50.380 sanskrit this word could not come from frisian right uh another example is chronic uh chronic

02:10:59.300 scriver which clearly means chronicle scribe in addition to chronicle coming from latin and i'm

02:11:07.660 pretty sure that comes from greek i didn't actually look that one up um dutch shriever

02:11:13.320 is from the latin scribare it it it's a latin word chronic scriver this is like a profession

02:11:22.500 in ancient frisian society right then there's modern terms there's modern term modern is 1850s

02:11:30.440 in the netherlands right there's modern terms what do the folks matters retire to when they

02:11:35.320 are sleepy a bedroom like um the phrase the beginning of the end shows up that's actually

02:11:46.520 something that talirand coined so this text cannot predate the the uh the napoleonic period because

02:11:55.760 no one said that before that as like a set phrase um it talks about lung disease in cattle using a

02:12:03.000 number of stock phrases that come from a uh an outbreak of cow lung disease in the netherlands

02:12:10.880 right like stock phrases that were in newspapers and the like um there's a lot of consternation

02:12:18.780 about lake dwellings in switzerland these are uh stilt houses um what's the crannog is the the

02:12:27.040 term for these it's basically a house on stilts sitting over a lake um those show up in switzerland

02:12:34.400 because that was in the newspapers at the time, right?

02:12:39.900 There's a word here, motherlich, motherly, motherlike.

02:12:45.260 It literally means motherlike, but it means motherly.

02:12:48.360 The attributes of what it means to be motherly are specific to the 1800s.

02:12:54.940 Gensmann doesn't really elaborate on what that means too much,

02:12:59.520 but the depictions of what mothers are supposed to be are oddly modern.

02:13:04.400 right? I already talked about the Finns. Fien means pure, the pure ones, right? That is also a modern term.

02:13:16.900 Magi equals magi equals magic. I already talked about that. Magic is a fun one. Magic comes to

02:13:24.040 English through French, but from, like, Greek, referring to the magi, the Zoroastrian priests.

02:13:31.400 it actually means it's cognate with um magos uh i'm sorry magos comes from a vestin it's

02:13:39.640 cognate with greek mega with um latin uh magnus magn with english mighty right they're the mighty

02:13:49.300 ones because they had knowledge and wisdom and stuff right and the greeks had a very low opinion

02:13:54.700 of the Zoroastrian priesthood because go watch 300 Zoroastrian imperialism tried to conquer

02:14:02.360 Greece I mean yeah and so they looked very poorly on Zoroastrian intellectualism

02:14:09.960 Zoroastrian religion and so that term like the teachings of the magi came to be known as on the

02:14:18.860 one hand is like foreign intellectualism but also like basically heresy like there's attestations

02:14:26.360 of both Greeks and Scythians of like a politician in these places getting a little too Zoroastrian

02:14:34.120 for his constituents tastes so they murder him they just kill him and it's like well bro he was 0.89

02:14:39.660 a Zoroastrian and then everyone's like oh well if that's the case oh you were justified so magic is

02:14:46.920 specific term that actually derives from a very specific location that doesn't

02:14:53.340 really make sense in this this cosmology to show up it does make sense if it's

02:14:58.320 this pun however what else there's dimet as used for the people dimet demos from

02:15:11.460 the Greek word for people um there's a lot of Protestant terms regarding

02:15:16.080 morality and decency that show up and the sheer number of them is more interesting than any

02:15:23.960 specific one because like every society has morality and decency right but very protestant

02:15:32.020 concerns very protestant vocabulary for a text about an ancient society this ancient society

02:15:38.980 seems to agree a whole lot with these dutch liberal protestant views um there's a lot of 19th century

02:15:47.780 term dutch terms for government municipal stuff economics the government of the ancient frisian

02:15:55.940 state is very very similar to what a dutch citizen in the 19th century would expect from his state

02:16:06.980 and how it's structured, despite ostensibly being this top-down, given-to-them-by-God kind of state.

02:16:15.180 So as an example, there's a term that shows up, stand-rect.

02:16:20.800 Wretched? Stand-rect.

02:16:23.140 This means to stand before the law.

02:16:25.100 This is actually a medieval concept by which a man would go to court and would stand in front of the king and say,

02:16:32.280 my lord my neighbor he doth have stealeth from me a cow and the he would have to like plead his

02:16:39.700 case for the king to get involved to stand before the court to stand before the king that's not how

02:16:45.920 this stuff worked in like the bronze age which to be fair the oyer or linda book is positing a

02:16:51.640 society that exists before the bronze age but it's odd that there's a lot of these terms that

02:16:57.540 are reliant upon medieval jurisprudence and concepts that were invented in medieval jurisprudence

02:17:03.640 to show up in it so like in the bronze age you didn't stand before a king in a court and plead

02:17:09.020 your case to ask for redress right you did in the medieval period so stand rect belies a like you

02:17:17.500 know bronze age iron age medieval kind of transition of how jurisprudence is viewed

02:17:23.120 hang on sorry i get stuff the nose i already talked about how the term chronic comes from

02:17:30.920 latin um another is kammer which is kammer means like room this is actually from latin kameda

02:17:38.140 which is from greek kamada another one um i don't know if this is pronounced trun or troon

02:17:46.180 either way it means throne which comes from latin tronos tronos sorry which comes from greek

02:17:52.680 tronos right so they have a latin via greek word for chair in a book written in like latin with

02:18:04.160 their proto-italic wasn't even a language in 2000 bc right another interesting one here's a fun one

02:18:11.120 is harney which is actually it means harbor it's actually from um the dutch city of harlingen

02:18:20.420 slash hearts so like like the big apple right it's referring to a specific city in the name

02:18:28.280 this can't really refer to an ancient place now one aspect i haven't touched about um

02:18:34.720 yet is that to be fair the oerlindic book is extremely concerned with places that haverschmidt

02:18:40.920 lived and knew about including uh i think it's frudome which was the city in which he was a vicar

02:18:46.740 it's pretty coincidental that the uh i i will talk about that in a minute it's pretty coincidental

02:18:54.880 that he the this ancient book is so concerned with this city this village this town that uh

02:19:03.380 that haverschmidt happened to be a priest in there's a lot of references to local places like

02:19:09.340 a kind of allegorical reference to like the literal urban plan of freedom of fruit of this

02:19:17.160 town that Haberschmidt lived in as if the author had walked around the 1850s town of freedom right

02:19:26.040 um this is a big one because I am reading a massive uh paper on it's like a 400 page

02:19:34.500 on old english religious terms and um the like the words used to refer to

02:19:43.820 asitur versus christian worship and um like worship worth ship becomes increasingly used

02:19:51.780 when christianity takes over because a big part of christianity is like talking about how cool

02:19:56.960 yahweh is that is literally what christians are doing where they're like praise them praise the

02:20:02.460 right like they are saying good they are talking about how cool yahweh is that is a religious act

02:20:08.880 in christianity right but that doesn't really show up in asatru like yeah there's praise poet

02:20:15.600 asatru into european religion in general yeah there's praise poetry but like

02:20:19.260 you don't go to a hof to talk about how cool thor is as like the central religious act of your

02:20:26.580 practice one word that does show up with a lot of

02:20:30.340 ossature usage is bid which we still use in english i mean to

02:20:35.220 bid at an auction means to ask but the more archaic

02:20:39.460 usage of like i bid thee well fair knight

02:20:41.940 prithee i bid that thou wouldst you know means ask

02:20:45.780 you you in in the havamal um there's like an eight line verse where odin

02:20:51.780 is saying the first four lines are about uh

02:20:54.980 rune stuff like divination and then he says you know you know how to offer you know how to bloat

02:21:00.320 right you know how to offer right and how to kill an animal right you know how to send the carcass

02:21:04.940 right he he asks you know it's like vase to something bida right bid this word that word

02:21:13.300 bid shows up in the oara linda book it means to ask for like means to ask for something so when

02:21:20.240 we do bloat we do the two round structure right in the the second round when the receiving round

02:21:25.680 right when pardon my french we are we have given the gods the gift we are asking for something i'm

02:21:33.020 being a little simplistic about how we view it today but that's the simple form of it right

02:21:36.100 we are bidding for things we are bidding they we're asking them to give us something or do

02:21:42.780 something for us or so on and so forth that's why this word bid is used in germanic religious

02:21:50.080 terminology because it is the asking that accompanies sacrifice right so why is it used

02:21:57.160 by the oerolindians by the the rawlian faith by the free of faith where they don't actually ask 0.93

02:22:06.100 the divine for things where they don't perform sacrifice why are they treating ass why are they

02:22:12.980 using ask as a word for prayer which is an ossified term that you know continental germanic 0.54

02:22:20.000 peoples just they just kept using this term meaning to communicate with the divine when they

02:22:24.800 just mean just like affirming loyalty to umbralda or whatever rather than asking the gods for

02:22:33.780 something right i've already talked about how the writing style and the the syntax match modern dutch

02:22:40.820 they also match uh hoverschmidt very very cleanly they match over to linda too over to linda the

02:22:49.320 winkler um jensma theory is that over to linda sketched out a lot of ideas and then hoverschmidt

02:22:54.860 filled in a lot of them hoverschmidt was a good writer right um uh what else is here so

02:23:03.260 just as a comparison for language stuff this text is taking place roughly 2200 BC to 50 BC

02:23:15.260 right so for comparison pi is spoken 4500 BC to 2500 BC and then there's this murky period of

02:23:29.600 what I'm just going to call West Pi is West Proto-Indo-European is spoken from 2500 BC to

02:23:36.640 500 BC, and languages are splitting off of this. And around 500 BC, West Pi becomes Proto-Germanic.

02:23:44.920 So there's a linguistic timeline here. And granted, we're talking in the terms of centuries,

02:23:52.320 right? There's a lot of wiggle room, but it doesn't line up with the genetic flows that we

02:23:58.640 see with the archaeological flows that we see with the linguistic flows that we

02:24:03.080 see why are these terms showing up in this text like Latin is just splitting

02:24:13.280 off from Celtic and proto Italo Celtic is just splitting off from what becomes

02:24:20.960 Germanic when this stuff is taking place why are there words like um text the

02:24:26.780 text that x that the x in text is a pretty key like very easily identifiable um latin specifically

02:24:37.660 the latin not like just oscan or umbrian but latin phonological process if you look at cognate words

02:24:44.140 in greek in sanskrit in germanic they tended to either do or right they don't have this kind of

02:24:54.540 sound right the fact that there is an s at the end of the word is a demonstration that texts

02:24:59.100 now granted it could just be a made-up nonsense word but like

02:25:02.540 if it's not it's coming from latin right um and this just doesn't line up with a lot of stuff

02:25:12.460 that we see at this time like the thing about friday right like you you would be forgiven for

02:25:19.580 assuming it's like Freya's day, right? Freya and Freya sound a lot alike, but it's, it's,

02:25:27.880 the reason it's Frey day is because it's Frey's day. Frey in Old Norse means the free one.

02:25:37.240 Freya in Old Norse means the lady, right? So it's, Frey day is the free one's day, right?

02:25:43.900 um i want to talk about the ideology that goes forward from this because there's this

02:25:51.220 huge kerfuffle and it kind of simmers down right there never is like a church of ralda that

02:26:00.100 develops it it kind of just because academics were convinced it was a hoax and that's just

02:26:06.600 kind of what the history books said i mean i i think my position and whitney's position on this

02:26:13.400 is pretty clear by now but like you know academics say it's a hoax that's what normies say okay good

02:26:19.920 enough and just kind of goes away it becomes this sort of artifact of frisian nationalism

02:26:25.560 and it belies a lot of these

02:26:30.780 odd currents that you see near the vulkish movement right matriarchy monism lost civilizations

02:26:42.280 atlantis this anxiety that the north of europe had over simply put not being as cool as southern

02:26:52.160 europe and the greeks the romans they had this long glorious past you know ancient greece

02:26:59.980 western literature starts what starts with the iliad which takes place like just roughly and

02:27:05.200 this isn't important around 1000 AD it was composed like 700 1000 BC was composed like 700 BC

02:27:12.180 ish good enough Frasier shows up for the first time like 50 AD as like not a glorious society

02:27:23.700 with a literary tradition right there was a lot of anxiety by in you can even see this into

02:27:32.280 really relatively early in the modern period like starting in the 1300s even 0.92

02:27:36.780 in Scandinavia this anxiety over like oh crap

02:27:39.820 Greece and Italy are cool we actually are barbarians

02:27:43.780 and trying to come to terms with that trying to understand the past because

02:27:49.920 it's really important to understand here

02:27:51.540 northern Europe did not have a good handle on what northern Europe was

02:27:56.980 you if nick wants he can show up he can put up the picture of uh the holy roman empire

02:28:04.760 germany as a construction was like really new you know there's the like the meme quote about

02:28:14.880 uh was it bismarck who was like i must unite the germanic peoples under one flag

02:28:19.300 because that was new when he was doing that like after the united states federal government had

02:28:28.660 been created because the idea of a singular united german nation german people like when certain uh

02:28:39.040 social they're like this is not this is not this is better than you can find on some maps

02:28:44.380 thank you nick um why aren't bavarians and thuringians separate ethnosis well it's because

02:28:53.020 there was a movement to make them one thing it's not a wrong thing to make them one thing by any

02:29:00.160 means but you know the same why aren't why are bavarians germans but the dutch aren't

02:29:05.320 There's historical reasons for that. And certain socialists who had nationalist political ambitions, if you will, in the early 1900s, looked at this book very interestingly.

02:29:22.620 So there was this guy by the name of Hermann Wirth. He was into German ethnocentrism and matriarchy.

02:29:33.280 There was a lot of these guys kind of bumping around in Germany in the early 1900s who were really big on like Prussian militancy.

02:29:42.200 They really liked war and armies. And we'll get this. What if the government was an army?

02:29:47.880 right like what if the government existed for the army imagine how many frenchmen they could 0.86

02:29:54.720 kill if they did that just imagine it it'd be amazing right and they didn't really know how to

02:30:01.660 i'm kind of paraphrasing because this is only sort of it's where the oyer linda book goes

02:30:08.260 but a lot of these people like herman worth were a bit uh what we would call spergy today and they 0.88

02:30:13.500 didn't know how to uh sell their ideology to women so a lot of this like matriarchy stuff 1.00

02:30:22.280 was very appealing to them because it allowed for them to slide women into their government ideas 1.00

02:30:30.620 right like there's like a parent like there's two governments like there's the guy government

02:30:34.500 and the girl government right um herman worth is one of these guys herman worth is part of this 0.99

02:30:42.960 discussion within de Vulkish movement between uh what I'm just going to call racist matriarchy

02:30:49.440 and neo-medievalism these kind of communal socialist ideas as opposed to like the rights

02:30:58.520 of the father the the strengthening of the family as a corporate body like does the government

02:31:05.700 create families and afterwards do families continue to exist because of the government

02:31:11.200 or do our family is just like a provisional structure for the purposes of raising children

02:31:16.840 that the government like lets you have right you feel me here this is an important question at this

02:31:22.860 time and worth was on uh team matriarchy and he was also big on original aryan monotheism

02:31:32.120 there's a lot of people at that time who didn't like a lot of the things in christianity but they

02:31:38.320 also wanted to keep a lot of these basic trappings monotheism is one of them um

02:31:45.680 these people tended to be big into primitivism not everyone in the volkish movement i'm talking

02:31:49.920 about a specific current matriarchy original monotheism primitivism right um in uh through

02:32:01.440 1933 to 1935, there is this, uh, uh, conflict within the Volkish movement that I'm just going

02:32:11.420 to call Bavarian Jesus versus Arian monotheism. And, uh, scholars at this time aren't having fun

02:32:21.420 with a lot of this because it's all kind of silly, but Herman Wirth found out about the

02:32:28.860 Oerolinde book, and he was really into it. And scholars in Germany saw all the stuff that the

02:32:36.380 Dutch had said about it and weren't very big fans of it, but someone heard about Wirth's

02:32:45.260 interest, and that was Himmler, Heinrich Himmler. Himmler actually founded the Anunerbe in part to

02:32:54.840 defend certain claims in the O.R. Linda book because Himmler was just in love with this whole

02:32:59.420 thing. Himmler was really big into witches. He loved the idea of like national socialist witches

02:33:06.340 which is an interesting kind of it's not what you think of when you hear this you don't think of

02:33:11.580 that as a combination um but within the national socialist hierarchy uh Amt Rosenberg the the

02:33:19.760 office around uh rosenberg who was like the reich's minister for culture or something like that 1.00

02:33:25.840 they really didn't like new era linda book because they didn't like the matriarchy stuff

02:33:29.920 they didn't like the pacifism and so there was this growing um feud within the two camps

02:33:39.440 about like is this subversive or not right and part of this is that like nutters like

02:33:48.400 carmelia villegut got drawn into the debate like villegut was like actually insane like he got

02:33:55.360 he got thrown in an asylum for being criminally insane against his will because he was like

02:34:02.800 a delusional schizophrenic and violent to his wife and so when he he got let out um i'm kind

02:34:09.120 of digressing because this is just a fun story because villegut uh villegut is the guy who got

02:34:13.920 von list blacklisted in germany right um he gets thrown in asylum because he's insane

02:34:21.840 and then the weimar government lets him out because they run out of money because of the

02:34:26.720 whole like economic collapse so they just like let the crazy people out of asylums so he goes

02:34:32.560 around germany as karl weistor and eventually gets into himmler's circle and i don't think he

02:34:39.840 was a super big fan of the or linda book but he is the guy that blacklists von list right there's

02:34:44.720 a question of why don't more people listen to von list it's because of villegut saying no von list

02:34:51.440 i don't like him i disagree with him he gets the chopping block um so in 1934 the critiques of the

02:35:00.320 aware linda book start increasing and mounting particularly as german scholarship stops looking

02:35:06.880 at this as a this is a hoax this dutch guy wrote this portion this dutch guy wrote that portion

02:35:12.540 the paper is doctored kind of a thing and starts looking at this more ideologically as a

02:35:18.960 this book is purporting the original dutch monotheism and it doesn't have a good opinion

02:35:27.240 of germans it has a pretty low opinion of germans and scandinavians and an extremely high opinion

02:35:34.340 of the dutch which the national socialist government didn't really like um again woden

02:35:42.900 in this book is a human chieftain who is like seduced by oriental papal magic it doesn't have

02:35:52.020 a high opinion of germans right and so it actually gets put on the forbidden books list in 1937

02:35:59.140 himmler got overruled and the reasonings for this being this book promotes frisian supremacy

02:36:04.680 which is kind of an odd thing to be concerned about just saying that out loud it's like the

02:36:09.020 dangers of frisian supremacy but it's extremely anti-german it's trying to emphasize a separation

02:36:16.360 of the dutch from the germans um i don't mean to be mean but i'm just going to repeat the claim

02:36:23.200 it accuses the germans of being slavic half-breeds that wasn't something that people in the national

02:36:30.100 socialist government liked hearing um it promotes a pacifistic communist matriarchy also the worth

02:36:38.760 was just publicly defeated by real scholars herman birth this guy who is friends with him

02:36:43.260 was publicly defeated by real scholars and this humiliated a lot of the national socialist 0.99

02:36:48.760 leadership because it's like oh crap we look like morons because one of our own is promoting this 0.96

02:36:53.980 goofy nonsense the the line that gensma gives about this is that it was this is a quote in 0.98

02:37:01.820 english but falsified in the wrong direction was the general idea amongst the national socialist

02:37:07.740 leadership and so it got put on the forbidden book lists or forbidden books list pardon my french

02:37:14.540 uh after the war what happens to this herman worth guy he actually rebrands as like a primitivist

02:37:22.180 anti-fascist and he became he ended up becoming big in hippie and greenie circles the people who

02:37:29.120 today you would think would hear like oh my goodness pacifistic communist matriarchy that's

02:37:33.480 amazing right and then it's like oh this guy was a nazi what um and through worth's rebranding the

02:37:43.560 book kind of becomes part of the new age uh worth got put in he got captured by the the allies in

02:37:50.680 1945 and kept in prison and then they realized oh he's one of the harmless kind of kooks and so they

02:37:56.340 just let him out and the book actually got taken up there was a lot of interest in it by uh native

02:38:02.300 americans by like amerindian tribes in the 1970s because of like the whole you know back to the

02:38:08.560 nature kind of aspect of it um it's it's an interesting thing because if you hear

02:38:16.800 like communist matriarchy original monotheism you don't think of european governments you

02:38:25.760 typically think of the new age where it's not like this is a core plank of new age or anything

02:38:31.980 but it does seem more at home in that in that fundamentally it is positing again going back

02:38:38.200 this is a work of theory fiction because there's two kind of strains through this discourse of

02:38:42.580 this book is a fabrication of an ancient text and i i skipped over this in my ramble i'm sorry

02:38:50.820 part of the story of how uh cornellis over to linden actually got this book to the attention

02:38:58.040 of the archivists was because he made a fake ancient translation of uh work van thorb's the

02:39:06.720 chronicles of friesland which is like a 16th century uh text right and he refused to give

02:39:13.060 it to the archivists unless they also took a look at the oar linda book and this is where uh

02:39:18.780 verwees's um failings as a scholar come in because he was like oh wow we just have to go along with

02:39:25.180 this we can't simply simply can't be too critical of this thing you know um but this this book is

02:39:33.840 positing so there's the this is a fake ancient text like let's train but there's also like the

02:39:41.660 literary theory of like what is this book actually saying it's talking about an alternative origin

02:39:48.100 for the white race and an original frisian monotheism that derives from a monotheistic

02:39:56.240 matriarchal communistic society that does not have inheritance it does not have strong

02:40:04.340 privileging of the father's role not like not as opposed to privileging the mother's role but like

02:40:09.500 a focus on the father as a defining characteristic of the family it's very utopian in its outlook

02:40:15.820 right by comparison father mother sister daughter like these words in indo-european languages are

02:40:27.040 all very closely related because they are derived from an indo-european conception of the family as

02:40:33.400 being like the small state of the father like a woman linguistically in the words we use

02:40:42.560 a woman leaves her father's household and journeys to her husband's household and becomes part of

02:40:49.000 his family right this is a radically different idea of religion and society than what we really

02:40:58.840 see in if this is true then we modern europeans are heretics in a certain sense not just because

02:41:08.240 of like the whole poke dig on fish hat thing but also like our so even with christianity our

02:41:14.300 society is pretty patriarchal our society values inheritance and our society values family and the

02:41:20.860 aware linda book views like people getting their own houses as a a decline into wickedness you

02:41:32.120 know i i'm not the gozy on the witten on this program but i mean you would you agree sir that

02:41:39.560 this text is effectively something like heresy in a certain sense i mean yeah for sure that's part of

02:41:46.100 the i think that was part of the allure for it kind of like i mentioned at the top of the show

02:41:50.700 So our folk have this need to find the truth, no matter how hidden it is, and sometimes will happen across something that's so kind of ridiculous on the face of it, like the Orlinda book and the ideals in there that, you know, because it's such the opposite of what we have been told to be true.

02:42:18.960 what we know to be true that we think okay well that's just how hidden this was you know it was

02:42:24.000 the exact opposite of everything we thought no i mean western society arian society white people

02:42:31.600 society whatever you want to call it is patriarchal um not that we like that women are beneath us as

02:42:40.480 men or whatever you know that didn't start until uh until christianity came in actually but yeah

02:42:48.480 you know the man protects and provides and fights the woman creates the home and nurtures etc etc 0.53

02:42:57.800 etc and even even that idea of like the home as like the savage home is distinct from the east

02:43:06.600 home like that is something the aware of linda book doesn't really like like the the ideal

02:43:12.400 society according to this is people living in like a communal everyone shares things fortress

02:43:20.400 you know when they mention uh the corruption of the bronze skinned curly haired gold earring

02:43:28.320 people coming in it was like part of the like ooh bad times are coming is like people got their own

02:43:34.080 houses like their own yards like the orland like getting a front yard is a sign of decadence in

02:43:43.060 this society which is actually an interesting thing regarding like land usage that kind of

02:43:47.720 dates this like uh if you look at some parts of america you get this odd like like a long road

02:43:55.520 and a bunch of very thin lots going down the road with long backyards and the houses are all up front

02:44:01.120 it's referred to as like a French allotments or something in some parts of

02:44:05.440 the world that that is literally a European thing.

02:44:08.640 It came about because you want the house close to the road or the river so you

02:44:14.420 can move stuff in your stores into the wagon that goes on the road.

02:44:18.780 The lots are very thin because all of the peasants come out and they go lot by

02:44:23.960 lot doing like moving down the lot in a kind of assembly line fashion.

02:44:28.060 they're very thin to make it easier to move across the lots they're very deep to maximize

02:44:33.480 area for agriculture so like that concern about like front yards backyards reflects an extremely

02:44:42.260 modern because like you go back to the bronze age it's like you tell like

02:44:46.940 his front yard and he's like what do you mean my front yard there's woodland around my house where

02:44:54.100 it's not a farm yeah there's no yard like yard i don't have a lot my land ends where

02:45:01.000 while his cattle live you know right even in um task this is uh germania one of the things he

02:45:08.440 noted about our ancestors uh the germans big germanic peoples um which includes the frisians

02:45:17.760 or frizzy eyes he called them by the way uh is that yeah we had yards that houses were not next

02:45:24.900 to each other we liked our uh a little bit of privacy but i guess you know if you're a believer

02:45:31.400 of the orlinda book you could just frame that as aha well that's after the frizzians were defeated

02:45:37.060 and corrupted and split and some of them joined the the sax men as uh the book calls them so

02:45:45.440 this book doesn't really have much currency today um if you go looking you can find pictures of some

02:45:52.720 women in like leather skirts with odd ponytails doing rituals around fire but it's always the

02:45:59.360 same pictures from the same crop so i think that might have been more of like a stunt or something

02:46:05.080 as far as what i could tell very minor neo-pagan influence outside of rather extreme dutch

02:46:14.920 conspiracy theory stuff but even then like this text is so kind of radical in its conception of

02:46:21.680 the world and what it wants out of the world that it's very much like this they're hiding our

02:46:27.680 history they don't want us to know but but we have the truth we have to expose them well who's

02:46:35.540 them yeah you know like the magian conspiracy like the magian conspiracy trying to hide the

02:46:44.120 truth of matriarchy like it's it's a it's a kind of silly premise on its face if you if you start

02:46:51.720 with it you know yeah it you know it's it's all a mess um one interesting thing i was kind of

02:47:04.780 verifying on my phone here on the side with the history of how the story part of the orlinda book 0.95

02:47:11.700 ends if i'm not mistaken is kind of like the the jewish people basically they they corrupt the 0.99

02:47:18.320 area and they make everybody evil for wanting houses and uh material things and women buy 0.95

02:47:24.840 jewelry and their kids go hungry or whatever it says and um it mentions how the uh essentially

02:47:34.800 the land uh earth up that that was the other thing i meant to cover theologically earth was

02:47:40.580 almost seen as a goddess in a way not explicitly but they called it eartha which is you know a

02:47:48.660 germanic word where we get earth from uh and it would the nerfess essentially or yorth and so uh

02:47:59.700 i brought that up because of a different point but anyway something else to keep in mind uh

02:48:05.860 the earth or the earth the land itself of friesland frisia uh like starts falling apart

02:48:13.660 as the people become corrupt the land beneath them which they are tied to but also not tied to

02:48:18.620 because that's bad or whatever the land starts falling apart and that's i don't know that it

02:48:25.600 says it outright but it's really really hinted that that's kind of what caused the uh the climate

02:48:31.420 issue uh that made the frizzy eye leave and then the frizzy ends which are related come back

02:48:38.700 i think that's what it's talking about where it says uh my mother and i joined the the sax men

02:48:46.700 etc is the frizzy eye uh left and just joined surrounding germanic tribes which were the same

02:48:53.720 people anyway angles and saxons etc and then they just re rehabited the area later once the flooding

02:49:02.460 had gone down and it kind of became somewhat habitable again so that's they take some little

02:49:08.440 nuggets of truth and real actual history like the emphasis on all white people are related well

02:49:15.220 that's true but as mentioned as chris pointed out not in the way they're saying yeah it's also

02:49:23.020 interesting that like kind of fisher king aspect of it because like in the the torah like why does

02:49:30.060 israel suffer when the jews stray well it's because yahweh is punishing them like yahweh is tightening

02:49:35.780 the screws pardon the pardon the joke tightening the screws on the jews when they stray from his 0.86

02:49:42.780 will he is inflicting the punishment but in like more european fisher king ideas it's like no 0.96

02:49:49.720 there's like a a bonding between the king and the land like the king marries the land goddess

02:49:56.280 and they're like intertwined so if you cut the king's legs off like trees don't grow as tall

02:50:01.860 right lacking either of those it's kind of like well why does the land suffer when they stray from

02:50:09.580 weralda you know like maybe maybe there's something deeper in there that i'm just

02:50:14.140 missing but it's kind of like but what ties them to the land you know if it was afflicting them

02:50:21.620 as people it would make sense but they've got the the the i think gensma compares it to like

02:50:28.320 the reflection of the divine in them because of the monism so how can the land fall apart

02:50:33.240 if if the people are straying wouldn't the innate goodness of raalda keep the land together

02:50:39.320 you know what yeah kind of there's um and a story within the story it tells of um

02:50:48.760 a good frisian woman named adela and her children or some children or whatever are

02:50:56.760 in some predicament where there's like a fire and they're caught in a high place and so they're

02:51:06.860 like ah either fall or you know get burned by the fire and adela tells the mother of these kids

02:51:17.660 if you believe in ralda enough you will be able to make it through the the fire your faith in him

02:51:22.460 will give you strength and you'll be unharmed by the fire and be able to rescue your children

02:51:25.700 something along those lines and i guess it's like because they were corrupted and they became

02:51:31.160 Alcestru basically uh in this story um they lost faith in Ralda and so Ralda no longer protected

02:51:40.280 them and it kind of goes back to that concept of all good things come from Ralda the only 1.00

02:51:44.680 bad and stupid and evil things come from our own foolishness yeah I don't you're the gozi here 0.71

02:51:53.460 sir so you can give a more official position but I don't really see that kind of attitude in 0.99

02:51:57.700 indo-european religions like yes the gods give good things but like not literally all good things

02:52:04.420 ever at every level you know yeah i mean the world is beautiful and all because it's beautiful and

02:52:14.500 you could say well yeah you know the all father and his brothers made it beautiful and sure

02:52:18.560 but yeah i don't know also atheists are able to have good lives all the time you know uh jackson 0.98

02:52:27.680 crawford specifically like thinks anybody who practices al-satru is a fool he probably makes

02:52:33.120 enough money to live a decent life and the gods themselves are not going to come down from on high 0.98

02:52:37.940 and like take all his nice things from him for being a dork uh that said if they did that'd be

02:52:44.560 funny and i would applaud them for that but it's probably not gonna happen um yeah it's not like

02:52:50.680 thor is turning like the good things crank and it's like oh i'm i'm gonna start turning it the

02:52:56.300 other way if you stray bro you know right it's not like that like it is in this kind of monistic

02:53:03.020 cosmology from what from what i see yeah no it's it's not no no mention of that and the album all

02:53:10.340 or the eddas um but at some point we you don't have to spend 25 years to build one church or 0.83

02:53:16.500 one hoth yeah right let's see uh we got two more questions from homoese uh first one

02:53:25.440 speaking of magi i remember reading from something that the muslims called the norsemen

02:53:29.940 that invaded muslim spain majus or magi in arabic why do you think that is um yeah so

02:53:38.780 there's a number of terms that refer to uh pagans in um the the islamic world the the most

02:53:49.320 the original one is kafir which uh it's often translated as unbeliever but it means something

02:53:57.500 more like um like rejecter disbeliever because islam means submission but the the conception

02:54:08.160 of it intellectually is that it more so means the message the testament right um so like

02:54:14.840 what do you call people who reject the testament their projectors you know um that's the the kind

02:54:23.360 of word for non-muslims in islamic usage but when islam comes to blows with persia and defeats it

02:54:33.640 pretty shocking effectively um my juice my juicy becomes a slur used to refer to Zoroastrians in

02:54:45.300 general like you can kind of see that Zoroastrians the people who do what the Magi say Magi-ians

02:54:53.060 right like we call Jews like rabbi-ians you can occasionally see this actually done with Hinduism 0.67

02:54:58.500 where they'll call them like Brahmanists or Brahmanites or whatever like the people who

02:55:02.980 follow the Brahmins right this term my juicy ends up getting applied to a lot

02:55:10.260 of groups like it just means pagan it doesn't necessarily link because it's it

02:55:20.220 means like pagans in general right I would imagine there might be some kind

02:55:27.080 of nuance there that I might not be picking up from what little I know about

02:55:31.260 how how it works but um yeah so uh the second question is kind of an extension of the first

02:55:42.880 one i didn't realize that till now uh he says it could have been because fire was a central element

02:55:48.360 and also true shrines or maybe because the magi of persia were a high caste and thus resembled

02:55:54.340 the norse physically it's hard to tell what they mean um that could have played into it i think

02:56:00.220 but it's it's probably mostly just what chris said uh i i did google this real quick and i do

02:56:08.700 find some speculation that uh some practices such as cremation could be misinterpreted as fire

02:56:15.220 worship which is important because like zoroastrians do literally worship fire in as much

02:56:21.340 as they believe that fire is like a god entering our one of their gods entering our dimension 0.89

02:56:28.380 and when the fire goes out the god like goes back to the fire dimension this is also how hindus

02:56:34.160 conceptualize fire traditionally this is involved in buddhism too because it's like there's a

02:56:39.340 parable about how nirvana works it's like no no like they do not understand fire like we do right

02:56:44.860 but anyways um so like zoroastrians are really big on fire they don't they their priests wear 0.96

02:56:51.340 like a mask over their face so that way they can't spit in it by accident or breathe into it

02:56:56.980 because they do not want to impurify the fire. 0.91

02:56:59.900 So Zoroastrians don't do cremation. 0.90

02:57:02.600 They also don't like impurifying the earth with drudge, 0.64

02:57:07.240 with ritual impurity caused by rot.

02:57:09.540 So what they'll do is they'll,

02:57:10.920 they do the sky burials where they leave the body to be picked apart by birds.

02:57:16.700 Which is pretty grisly.

02:57:19.600 I'd imagine that generates more ritual impurity than a burial does,

02:57:23.460 but whatever. 1.00

02:57:24.100 um but in islam fire worship is something that muslims are primed to recognize like

02:57:34.900 in christianity there's like the thing from judaism about like gentiles are just innately

02:57:40.300 drawn to worshiping rocks and trees and statues we just can't help ourselves it's just a facet

02:57:45.880 of gentile existence right um and in islam they have a similar kind of it's not a pejorative i

02:57:53.920 don't know what to call it like a pejorative mindset that like ah yes fire worship that's

02:57:58.400 what non-muslim non-abrahamic non-muslims do so i guess it could have something like maybe that's

02:58:05.680 why the term like because it's not like christians and jews do much with fire but like a lot of other

02:58:14.180 religions not just ossaroo but you know a lot of other religions do stuff with fire so i could see

02:58:18.860 maybe majusi has some kind of favoring towards like non-abrahamic non-muslims whereas kafir

02:58:27.040 is more all-inclusive more technical they like they are rejecting the like rejecting islam as

02:58:35.140 opposed to uh i don't know like just generic they do something different you know

02:58:42.740 well i guess that is it for questions do we have any

02:58:53.780 uh really like final thoughts on the oral in the book

02:58:59.240 um

02:59:01.820 i would say if you

02:59:08.060 i wouldn't discourage anyone from reading it i wouldn't discourage anyone from reading anything

02:59:14.160 typically uh any adult maybe i wouldn't i wouldn't discourage any adult from reading

02:59:20.780 things they want to read uh including the orlinda book it is fascinating and like

02:59:25.420 yeah the guy's kind of a goopy writer and he made so many mistakes

02:59:29.600 uh in trying to make it look ancient that it is easy to clown on him uh but like if you just look

02:59:36.960 it the poeticism if that's a word poetry of the of the language uh that he uses when he's kind of

02:59:45.660 crafting this stuff it's neat it uh someone in the live chat i think it was our cult builder

02:59:51.740 aid in indiana he said that uh it kind of resembles silmarillion a bit um and yeah i

02:59:59.260 could see that and and it's kind of neat i guess like i said to make a great fantasy novel or a

03:00:04.640 a video game or um like a a dnd shoot off or something you know a movie

03:00:13.080 a movie would actually be pretty interesting like it's an interesting idea to humor and

03:00:20.320 think about like what would this society look like what would it be like to live in it what

03:00:24.740 kind of drama would there be right like it's not like it's wrong to humor these ideas you know like

03:00:32.960 i mean this is what plato was doing with the republic like we're gonna make a fictional

03:00:37.400 society so i can make a point you know like that's there's nothing immoral about that i think

03:00:43.840 the problem is that this is easy fodder for people to get bogged down in like you know exposing the 0.97

03:00:52.520 truth the elites don't want us to know you know like matriarchy is free i have five matriarchs 1.00

03:00:59.020 in my house you know like right it becomes like conspiracy fuel as opposed to something that like

03:01:08.240 yeah they they this is an interesting way to think about religion and philosophy myself and

03:01:16.320 whitney's happened to disagree with the conclusions of that religion and philosophy but like there's

03:01:20.380 nothing wrong with humoring the idea and thinking about it um as this nick's question that the why

03:01:26.900 Was that you, sir, Nick?

03:01:28.700 Yeah, it would be.

03:01:32.980 No, it's the other person that types in the chat.

03:01:36.040 I don't.

03:01:38.180 Okay.

03:01:41.380 Why is this a thing?

03:01:42.640 Why are we talking about it?

03:01:44.080 Where's the bit that people are hanging on to that makes a thing to merit asking us about all the time?

03:01:50.900 It's a thing.

03:01:51.860 We'll come back to your thing, Aiden.

03:01:53.240 Sorry.

03:01:53.800 Go on, sir.

03:01:54.520 Sorry to say it.

03:01:55.040 Do not forget it.

03:01:55.620 oh yeah um it's a thing because chris explained it pretty well so in the volkish movement

03:02:05.560 of the late mid to late 19th century and then the 20th century there were kind of two camps

03:02:14.940 there was kind of and both of them had their flaws don't get me wrong but one of them was a

03:02:20.160 lot more correct on uh arian or germanic history and prehistory than the other one and again so

03:02:27.440 maester guido von west he's one of our uh our hailing men one of our heroes he is the hero

03:02:33.280 who has his own shrine at odin's hof and he very much deserves that even he who was on the more

03:02:40.300 correct side of the two sides about our history was largely not largely but pretty wrong about

03:02:48.220 some of the battles between the romans and the germans um anyway all that i digress so

03:02:55.720 the other side of that was kind of the orlinda book side of like whoa what if our ancestors were

03:03:02.080 matriarchal people who didn't who got really mad if you uh if you had a backyard or whatever

03:03:09.960 it why we are talking about is because of that thing i mentioned at the beginning of

03:03:18.080 the show where our people want to find the truth no matter what and it's for lack of a better word

03:03:26.840 it's almost a naivete I guess kind of of like well this is so far from what I've been taught

03:03:32.260 and the Orland is so hidden and it's so fanatically debunked or decried I guess by its detractors

03:03:40.340 that it must be true and i i get that i get thinking that and there are cases where something

03:03:48.220 if it's being if academics are yelling at you about how wrong it is it very well might be

03:03:53.580 because it's true for example the current academic stance is that anglo-saxons weren't real i'm

03:03:59.360 sitting here talking to you i'm right here like the the sopranos thing where the romans went 0.98

03:04:04.520 you're looking at an asshole excuse my language um you know so academics do say silly things and 0.97

03:04:11.480 they're often ridiculous people but with the oral end of book unfortunately it's one of those things 0.99

03:04:17.000 where the academics are right and uh i would never tell any individual academic directly 0.82

03:04:23.380 that they're correct because i'd never hear the end of it but they're right on this uh

03:04:27.980 what makes it a thing to mirror asking us about all the time is yeah okay i kind of answered that

03:04:35.400 already it's just part of it was part of this early volkish movement and it's been hidden

03:04:39.400 because it's fake it's wrong and that makes it interesting go ahead i think there's another

03:04:48.140 why to ask about that this and that is why make this which i've kind of touched on a few things

03:04:54.900 here so gensma gensma lays out and again a lot of the again the the uh golf gensma the golf gensma

03:05:05.500 golf gensma it's dutch i'm sorry a lot of the research and study on this text is reliant upon

03:05:15.680 his book unto itself tracing the history of literally the history of the physical book at

03:05:21.840 times right um like here's something i haven't mentioned yet i told you how it was like there's

03:05:30.140 like a first half and a second half and the second half is kind of sucky in terms of just writing

03:05:34.360 style and the like that's because remember how i said that uh over to linden wouldn't send that

03:05:40.660 copy of the fate the other fake book to the archivist unless the order linda book would

03:05:45.300 along with it it's because he hadn't finished trans like translating transcribed whatever you

03:05:50.140 want to call it antiquifying the second half yet because Haverschmidt hadn't written it so they had

03:05:57.080 to speed run making the second half of this text which is why it blows right and Gensma had to go

03:06:05.680 through a lot of of work to uh Gensma I keep saying Gensma it's Gensma sorry Gensma whatever

03:06:13.200 Gensma had to go through a lot of work to figure out the history of this text in its history

03:06:19.460 and it is a pretty big thing so he doesn't have to answer like okay you pointed out all the flaws

03:06:26.760 in it but why does it exist there is a book that you can go to a museum and leaf through and cut

03:06:32.380 the paper in half to look at what's inside why does it exist and this is his this is his ultimate

03:06:39.040 summation fun the first one is that it's fun this is a this is a gag game thing that people in europe

03:06:46.840 did at the time these were very common fake histories fanciful histories were very very

03:06:54.040 common um the guy the the pro-catholic guy that henry the eighth had executed he wrote um more

03:07:03.460 thomas more was it i think it was he wrote a utopian like a utopian novel about this basically

03:07:10.980 doing what i've been suggesting here he writes a fictional account of this fanciful land as if it

03:07:16.560 was real in order to prove a philosophical point and that was a thing and it got taken

03:07:25.020 way out of control by people who wanted this to be something and there is a critique of christianity

03:07:33.000 that this book makes that amounts to if you can decipher the aware linda book

03:07:39.300 and see all of the horse hockey you can do that with the bible right like i mean why does jesus

03:07:48.240 ride two donkeys into jerusalem it's because someone didn't know what the specific wording

03:07:54.180 of a jewish messianic prophecy meant right like you think a cleric wouldn't notice this stuff he

03:08:01.240 spends all day studying the bible right like he would have been whether his criticisms and ideas

03:08:08.720 are legitimate or not it doesn't really matter right he would have been in the ideal position

03:08:12.620 to see the flaws in the bible as a text and he literally cannot say them that had to weigh on

03:08:19.620 his conscience in the case of over in the case of over to linden cornellis it's just a matter of

03:08:24.820 fame this made him famous he has a book named after granted it's a bizarre fake neo-pagan hoax

03:08:31.320 kind of thing but like he goes down in history like every time someone hears about phrysian

03:08:37.060 nationalism from now on this has to be attached to it because well what about this i think um

03:08:44.820 aiden uh apprentice book builder aiden mcmillan brought up a good point uh regarding the book

03:08:50.720 which is a relatively similar uh slavic kind of ancient chronicle passed down by a family

03:09:00.540 that has the truth right um i think texts like this give easy answers they give something that

03:09:11.880 you can easily map things onto without having to do any of the hard work and we in the the

03:09:19.440 reforging of ossature have had to do a lot of hard work in simply put making this religion something

03:09:27.740 that is real and that people do and like theology is about truth but like religion is structures

03:09:35.500 to do things if the gods want us to do x these structures that make x maximized are the structures

03:09:43.560 we do right like we have spent a lot of time and effort in i say we you know we as a collective

03:09:52.500 i've spent a lot of time and effort making this real and that's really daunting when you think

03:09:59.500 about how much work we still have to do we always can use more folk builders um and

03:10:06.620 it's very tempting to take everything you know and just tweak it a little bit like oh

03:10:14.640 the bible but pagan oh the the israelites but european oh the monotheistic creator deity

03:10:23.440 but europe oh society but matriarchy oh religion but atheism right it's very tempting to do these

03:10:33.340 very easy little tweaks on something that you already know that doesn't require you to like

03:10:39.680 what does religion look like if you have multiple deities like that's a

03:10:43.300 hard question imagine being founder mcdallan and having to like all right what does religion look

03:10:48.220 like if there's multiple deities you know like that's hard to enact in reality and things like

03:10:54.740 the or the orlinda book and the book of veles make these easy i think in western society the

03:11:01.940 the supremacy of the bible like bible literally comes from greek biblos it is the book like in

03:11:09.540 spanish it's like la santa biblia the holy book no like the book that is holy right i think the

03:11:18.900 supremacy of the bible makes it very tempting for people to have a central authoritative text that

03:11:24.120 you can just do endless interpretation of but it also has like literal rules like the text tells

03:11:29.960 people how to live their lives in a lot more of a thou shalt not way than like abamal does

03:11:36.980 or homer does and i think it's very tempting for some people to if they can't find that in the

03:11:45.880 ancient world they need to make it and not not like you know there are things that we don't have

03:11:51.620 yet that should be made but it's a difference between like coming up with a universal book

03:11:57.280 of prayers or something as opposed to like making up a fictional lineage of how steven mcdallin

03:12:03.320 descends from like this ancient viking priest king or something you know what i mean like but

03:12:07.260 that would make things easier and part of truth is doing things when they're hard because they're

03:12:14.460 true rather than the easy lie it sounds like you want to say something so go on uh that last point

03:12:19.840 you made actually is exactly what i was going to say the easy path and the correct path are seldom

03:12:25.180 the same one it'd be great if they were the same one they're usually not unless it's like 0.99

03:12:29.720 something, some stupid, easy moral decision. You know what I mean? Like, but yeah, I guess the, 0.99

03:12:39.580 kind of the closing message I want to, the bow I want to put on this episode is that

03:12:45.740 while the Oralinda book was not written with good intentions per se,

03:12:53.340 any of you here that are upset that we did this or listening to this because you were interested

03:13:00.840 in the orlinda book you're not necessarily upset i believe that you are here for the right reasons

03:13:07.220 because you believe the orlinda book to be something about your people and something

03:13:11.760 genuine and real and it's not but that desire to want to do something for your people and to do

03:13:22.400 something genuine and to escape from the Abrahamic hive mind faiths, being here is

03:13:32.080 the correct step in that direction. If you're listening to this and you're not an AFA member 1.00

03:13:39.560 yet, you should be. If you're a heterosexual white person who has not committed super egregious

03:13:50.560 crimes and whatnot um runestone.org join if you have any questions about membership or membership

03:13:57.720 requirements or disqualifying things you can reach out to any of our leadership or you can

03:14:04.820 email gothar runestone.org etc um yeah or linda book's not real it

03:14:14.140 yeah orlinda books not real um also true is what's real we can verify that through texts

03:14:26.620 that are yeah that's something we didn't touch on i guess is even our our lore that was written down

03:14:34.480 by a catholic politician and whatever is was written down 700 800 years before the orlinda

03:14:43.960 book was and was passed down orally way before that uh what were you gonna say chris oh i just

03:14:52.080 uh one thing i mean it's gonna bug me if i don't say this i want to just make a point that jensma

03:14:57.340 makes here about if we look at our lore it is a hodgepodge a bricklage a mixture of all sorts

03:15:06.160 of things like there's the ha the hava mall possibly is several several texts stitched

03:15:13.840 together in a sense you know um the poetic edda is literally a poetry collection i would i think

03:15:21.680 that if you look at it there's enough of these listing out kennings listing out names that

03:15:26.940 there probably is an order to the madness but it's clearly a lot of different things by a lot

03:15:34.060 different people if you look at the bible it's clearly a lot of different things by a lot of

03:15:38.140 different people even the old testament which is trying to tell the story of israel has pretty

03:15:42.740 radical tone shifts in what what israel looked like and what the concerns of the author are

03:15:50.400 right the o'era linda book has a pretty consistent single-mindedness to it because it's made by one

03:16:00.820 authors or vision of the world right i think it's telling in regards to the like what does

03:16:09.140 authenticity look like authentically what does it look like when you authentically pull a lot of

03:16:15.560 poems out of an oral tradition it's pretty messy and it takes a lot of figuring things out

03:16:21.320 and these people do not think like we do you know and we have to we have to spend a lot of time and

03:16:28.740 effort going back and figuring out how they thought and looking at what they were doing

03:16:33.600 to make sense of the eternal principles that they are passing down through their own way right and

03:16:42.580 i guess this is kind of repeating the the truth is hard lies are easy thing but i think it's also

03:16:49.320 a matter of like there is something to be said about the singularity of a monotheistic text as

03:16:57.320 opposed to the kind of plurality of a polytheistic text there's a lot to say about the world you know

03:17:04.140 and if you if you're going to say things about the world it's probably not going to be just a singular

03:17:10.640 concern you know there's going to be a lot of periods where it's like all right it's now time

03:17:16.940 for something different you know yeah so to quote the opening words the orlinda book aki my son

03:17:30.920 never let a priest go over these words well uh priests did go over these words the other guest

03:17:38.240 i was going to have on here um if why i actually asked gothi stan before i asked chris because i

03:17:44.920 know he was raring to you know take a few hits the orlando book as well so it was i hope i did you

03:17:54.180 good really stam oh yeah he was singing your praises earlier in the chat with the linguistic

03:18:00.320 stuff especially um i had to get really educated on this book really fast yeah i learned uh more

03:18:08.220 like before this i learned more about it than i will ever need to know about anything and then

03:18:14.560 you've like doubled that.

03:18:16.220 Yeah.

03:18:16.580 Maybe feel a little bad for you for asking you to be on here having to cram all

03:18:21.320 that at the last minute,

03:18:22.300 but it's,

03:18:23.580 it's fine.

03:18:24.120 It's,

03:18:24.360 it's good content.

03:18:26.040 Yeah.

03:18:26.540 Yeah.

03:18:27.120 It lasted a few hours.

03:18:32.240 Yeah.

03:18:33.140 I like it.

03:18:34.200 Thank you,

03:18:34.560 sir.

03:18:35.060 Thank you,

03:18:35.480 sir.

03:18:36.540 That's high praise from,

03:18:38.520 from,

03:18:39.300 from Rob.

03:18:41.300 But yeah.

03:18:43.440 All right.

03:18:43.820 we are gonna call it a night we have no more questions and i'm sick of talking about this book

03:18:51.760 oh yeah that's the kind of that's the kind of sucky thing it's like man we spent three hours

03:18:57.860 on this but we shouldn't have to yeah hopefully we've swayed some people at the very least we've

03:19:06.160 made them very angry and we'll get some kind of response soon but i think mostly it we we did good

03:19:12.580 we we set a precedent yeah um we set a precedent for the ifa

03:19:17.960 yeah uh when i when i went to the ulcer ago and the rest of the witten with this idea i was like

03:19:25.840 yeah let's debunk the orlinda book they're all like is this necessary yeah no but it's fine

03:19:31.160 uh but all right guys uh i hope to see as many of you as possible at the dedication which we

03:19:42.060 have 106 people RSVP'd, so I'm going to see a lot of people with dedication. I'm one of them.

03:19:47.180 All right. I'll be there. Sounds good. Y'all there. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. All right.

03:19:56.060 So, yep. December 6th is that dedication. As soon as that's over, I will start plugging the

03:20:05.200 premiere event for my Hoff, a decent thing in February. Ah, there we go. Look at that cool

03:20:11.420 flyer my wife made. Neat colors. Okay. So, uh, yep. All right. Uh,

03:20:20.300 hail the Iseer, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and never forget,

03:20:25.600 victory never sleeps. Night, everybody. Night.

03:20:35.200 We'll be right back.

03:21:05.200 Thank you.

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03:22:05.200 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - November 20, 2025

11⧸19⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 176 - Oera Linda Book ？

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