00:03:45.200And we'd like to have lively interaction
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00:03:56.540can send in questions whenever you like at bns at runestone.org or if you're watching this live
00:04:04.860go ahead and ask them and we'll get to those as well top of the show things it is november now
00:04:15.580and we are gearing up to celebrate ein heriabloat
00:04:19.180come one come all we want to see you at Sigurheim for I'm here you were it's going to be November
00:04:28.080the 13th through the 15th looking forward to that we're doing a different um trying something new
00:04:39.660and having that be the the showcase event at Sigurheim this year should be very nice it's
00:04:45.080beautiful around here um it'd be nice weather for those who wish to camp for those who wish to you
00:04:51.720know just enjoy this beautiful part of the state of tennessee without the summer heat that has been
00:05:00.280an issue in the past so we're trying it in november this year to see how that is for folks
00:05:06.600very excited to have you guys uh out here um nick and i will continue preparing for it i know that
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00:05:27.780So come on out. We'd love to see you. We'd love to show off the beautiful property that one day will be the home of Tiershoff and the AFA Capitol.
00:06:42.500That's true. It is the easiest possible math. I will accept being shamed by our producer on that.
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00:08:24.040That is top of the show stuff. So you can follow along when we get to the reading portions. We will be at velospow.org. That's where we're reading from tonight. And we are reading from the poem, Scald Scappermell.
00:08:42.580That is going to be, I think we're going to start with Chapter 34, Solar Ekinnings or the Sun.
00:08:53.320That said, I have a couple of questions tonight.
00:09:00.500So first one's from Tyler. It was emailed to vns at roomstone.org.
00:09:06.660Hey there, question for the show tonight.
00:09:08.580One of the most common ideas people have, often from TV shows, is that our ancestors believed that in order to go to Valhalla, you had to die with a weapon in your hand, and otherwise you would be doomed to an unpleasant afterlife in hell.
00:09:23.420I gather this is not a good synopsis of the beliefs of the AFA, but is there any kernel of truth to this idea?
00:09:30.980If not, do you have any ideas where this idea comes from?
00:09:34.140Are there any particular ways to guarantee a more favorable afterlife for yourself? Thanks. It's fun. I'm going to take first crack at that. You are muted.
00:09:46.140good gracious all right there we go um yeah i'm gonna tackle the last part first where did it
00:09:57.000come from um a lot of these misconceptions can ultimately i know we want to blame modern tv
00:10:04.120shows but a lot of these misconceptions actually come from the romantic period in which there is
00:10:10.600a revival of heroicism focused on the Germanic or the Nordic. And in that, they make the
00:10:21.600conclusion that our ancestors looked at the world that if you died in any other way other than
00:10:30.520battle you were doomed to a life of drudgery dreariness in the afterlife um or what have you
00:10:41.240and i think that that had its purpose in trying to invigorate people to look at their ancestors
00:10:50.360and say to themselves well you know if they were so clear cut about achieving the heroic
00:10:57.080We should be too. And that is where a lot of those misconceptions come from.
00:11:02.900The other is the writers of the Ada and the Gestodonorum and other effects of, say, afterlife burials and other things.
00:11:20.620they may have been looking at them specifically from an angle that was framed by some of their
00:11:32.180worldview at the time. However, if you look into each of them, you begin to see a pattern that's
00:11:41.320laying behind perhaps their own issued um opinions and what we end up finding is is that um the soul
00:11:53.880moves on through into other realms based on not just the form of death but also too
00:12:06.360in the way in which you lived your life that you were uh it wasn't like you were going to
00:12:13.880have to stand before the gods and have your heart weighed against a horn of meat or something like
00:12:19.640that um instead as you lived your life you were observed you were watched you were you were
00:12:27.880judged from the judgment seats the doom seats of the gods they uh look upon the allotted
00:12:35.400life that you were given by the nornir and that there are many things that can affect your life
00:12:41.720um in the guild beginning it's mentioned as evil nornir um and again that term meaning fate spinner
00:12:50.420a witch or one powerful enough to change one's fate implies that you know the the the nornir
00:12:58.980the three allot your life and then other fate spinners other people who or beings that have the
00:13:06.900ability to shift your fate can turn your life and you too can also turn your life based on your
00:13:15.380actions um but you are being watched you are being taken note of and then if you rise up
00:13:25.940to i'm sorry if i'm getting any background noise i got jets uh flying overhead um if you are um
00:13:35.940deemed uh honorable you are noted in that sense and that you could be chosen and so this is where
00:13:47.140i really really kind of i don't know why people don't ever emphasize the word val v-a-l doesn't
00:13:55.460mean slain only slain is the translation that everyone falls to but it also means
00:14:03.620to be chosen so or to be selected or to be uh kind of framed out of the rest of the group
00:14:14.980and that's where slain comes in in relation to battles but it does apply elsewhere so the val
00:14:22.820father is the choosing father val hall is not the hall of the slain it's the hall of the chosen
00:14:30.900and he is the one doing that choosing and it goes even further because the valkyrie is the carrier
00:14:38.420of the chosen one and so if you're standing in a uh we use this analogy a lot if you're standing in
00:14:45.860a foxhole and you're cowering and and clearly scared but you get killed in battle this does not
00:14:55.940immediately embark your soul it is the one who is that moves forward who stands beyond their
00:15:03.140own mortal coil and shows bravery and victory and places others and the victory of the battle over
00:15:11.380so i think that hyper extends your ability to be noticed and thus be chosen but when you go into
00:15:22.260other realms where it's dying at sea or dying of old age or sickness um we naturally paint hell as
00:15:35.460a place associated with death and then that also gets compounded with negativity because
00:15:42.980christianity stole the word and apply it to their afterlife which is gehenna
00:15:53.220but if you wash and push a lot of that away what you end up finding is is that all of the
00:15:59.220associations of death work in what mythos does in stories her hell is given charge over a domicile
00:16:11.220that protects the souls of of those who carry on the divine breath and ultimately
00:16:19.780the gods themselves as if this is uh you know understood uh when lord odin um wants to determine
00:16:29.860whether or not his son is passing he goes directly to one place as if to say i know that if
00:16:38.260If the God's doom is death, they will come here to this encapsulated place.
00:16:47.660So, the imagery of mythos works in that way.
00:16:53.840Cold, as in when people die, their bodies get cold.
00:16:59.520Dark, the ground or the body itself coagulating blood on the back.
00:17:07.140There is many things that are written. Her knife is famine and her fork is hunger. These are calamities that befall the folk outside of battle. And it is very spooky. It is very dark.
00:17:24.980And so people have been taught to yearn for this afterlife of the clouds and the gates and sitting at the feet of this bright, androgynous, throne-sitting God, faceless, amorphous, both the Messiah and the God itself.
00:17:53.660there's a lot of confusion on that side that has actually filtered over into the way people
00:17:57.880perceive things now so if you go there and the ancestors go there there is a place lower or
00:18:09.000worse in the sense as death is of course seen as well a general negative because holiness
00:18:16.840is synonymous with being whole, and death is the breakdown of the whole. But the ancestors
00:18:25.680coalesce there. And then beneath that, separate from that, is a place called Naustrand. So if
00:18:34.280Helgard is bad, why have a more bad place, if you catch what I'm saying? The idea is that I,
00:18:42.100You know, our ancestors most likely did not look at Helgaard as a bad place.
00:18:48.260Naustrand was the place you didn't want to end up.
00:18:51.600And that is where you really get separated with your own ego, with your own identity, with that which makes you an ancestor.
00:18:58.360But when you cross over into the realm of the ancestors, you still have abilities.
00:19:04.580it's written in numerous stories about this conceptualization that the ancestors affect
00:19:12.740our daily lives just as the gods do perhaps in a slower sense and i have a theory of that but
00:19:22.660they still affect our homina they affect our um our general prosperity and they are also
00:19:33.380watching us determining whether or not we can rejoin them and become part of the ancestors again
00:19:41.780um in uh the guest of the norm even that even though i you know you would think
00:19:48.820that uh saxo grammaticus would make a very very negative view he doesn't completely um
00:19:57.540And we see other accounts where the mound or the hill, the mountain, perhaps there's a mountain. The mountain is particularly important to this family.
00:20:13.700And when someone dies in another country, they see the mountain open up and inside the mountain, the dead are celebrating the return of one of their kinsmen.
00:20:26.720The kinsmen coming in is being lauded for their deeds.
00:20:32.220And this is not that our ancestors believed, oh, all the dead will go into this mountain.
00:20:37.300No, the mountain and the Barrow Mound are synonymous with the gate or the underworld.
00:22:17.040The gods or the souls that go up to the gods have power.
00:22:20.540The souls that are chosen to be Desir and Alvar have power
00:22:25.100And really the only ones you don't want to be are the ones separated and have to cross the River of Mournful Cries, which is Gjöl, and the cruel river Slidh, which tears away and leaves you kind of at the mercy of the primordial elements, if you will.
00:22:44.600so the unpleasant nature of Helgard is a distracting kind of conception that we should
00:22:58.480be teaching our folk is you know it comes from a spot of misunderstanding and we are going to
00:23:05.560redirect and show this is where you know there were celebrations joining your ancestors is real
00:23:11.980praying to your ancestors is worth it and that the ancestors have the ability through the well
00:23:17.660mimir which floats into the lower world that through memory and through actions that are
00:23:25.140committed they are able to look upon their living descendants and make decisions about
00:27:00.400It's describing a celebratory place close and in the hospitality of our gods in an elevated position to where we are closer to them in understanding and in proximity.
00:27:15.300We also have the concept of Gimli and of, you know, glorious places for righteous dead because our lives are eternal, barring, intentional destruction.
00:27:40.420so the worst of the worst if you are deemed by the gods and the ancestors to be so worthless
00:27:47.420that your existence is detrimental to the existence of society like if you are so bad
00:27:56.920that we are better off without you again because energy doesn't disappear you get dissolved and
00:28:05.980broken into component parts and recycled for better purpose but beyond that
00:28:16.620the idea of things to do to earn a better place in the afterlife is make your ancestors
00:28:23.020proud of you be such a person that they look forward to welcoming you among them when you
00:28:29.180make it to the other side and that they're eager to be in your presence that you being amongst
00:28:34.140among them you know elevate like raise the standard rather than lowers the standard for
00:28:39.900your family beyond the veil also do what you can to earn the attention of the gods and to earn their
00:28:49.100favor live your life in a way to make the gods proud of you but in a more mundane way make the
00:28:59.100people who know you proudly swan talked about posthumous ascension um your position fame is
00:29:11.500everything to our folk fame you can think of it as fame you can think of it as reputation
00:29:19.900but your honor your reputation that you earn in your life that
00:29:29.100that goes ahead of you announcing your presence that gives people an
00:29:34.440expectation of you and that elevates you in the company of those who know
00:29:40.440gods know they know they look on and they see
00:29:44.200um the reputation of heroes is one of the things that saga
00:29:50.780speaks to the all-father about when they drink
00:29:53.880um the deeds of heroes and there's you know super duper heroes worthy of saga and song
00:30:04.460there's also people who have moments of heroism who in a moment become more than they would be
00:30:12.360find transcendence through acts of courage there's also people who live stalwartly loyal
00:30:20.240to the gods throughout their lives who are loyal to those who are stand up members of their family
00:30:26.800members of their community they are recognized and the more your ancestors or your descendants
00:30:33.740rather celebrate you and stumble and raise horns to you and speak your name and celebrate your
00:30:39.480deeds the better your fame grows in the afterlife so i think that we're we're foolish if we get too
00:30:48.620definitive on where we think our place is in the afterlife, but these things put you in the best
00:30:55.460position to have a favorable position. Our gods aren't sadistic, and I think we're in a place
00:31:02.560in time where the desert gods might be. There's a lot of attention paid in those traditions on
00:31:11.440punishment and on you know dealing out torture that's not really what our gods do the focus is
00:31:20.320on celebrating heroes and you know on glorious things not on you know eternal flame of flesh and
00:31:30.720you know terrible things so yeah it's not something to be feared outside of the normal
00:31:37.600feel it fear that we all have death but work in life to build a reputation that precedes you
00:31:44.800that speaks well of you in all the realms to where your ancestors are on the other side of
00:31:50.320the veil singing your praises it's one of the interesting things um that occurred to me when
00:31:57.120my friend uh goethe thorburn odin passed away a few years ago we now have two gothar of the afa
00:32:06.640who precede us beyond the veil and who can speak to the ancestors and speak to those on the other
00:32:13.840side in a very less encumbered way than we can about who we are about our deeds about
00:32:22.480about what the AFA is, what we've built that can celebrate us and represent us to the ancestors.
00:35:08.040Why does he want the gods not to be real?
00:35:10.640I don't want the gods not to be real. Okay, cool. Well, if they are real, how about you try to make
00:35:17.980an offering and be open and see for yourself? How about you treat them? One of the, and so it
00:35:26.580depends. There are atheists that are committed to proving to you how silly you are and the gods1.00
00:35:33.240aren't real. That's one version that's very difficult, and I don't think you can do that.0.99
00:35:38.780they have to be in a place where they are willing to be open but if you have an atheist who is
00:35:46.460intellectually curious and wants to have thought experiments and wants to play the game and wants
00:35:53.020to engage in a discussion about it whether they genuinely seek truth or not if they're
00:35:57.500just curious-minded people that are fair challenge them to give it a shot
00:36:02.860out. Act as though the gods are real and see what happens. Treat the gods as if they were real
00:36:12.700and see what happens. Approach the gods honestly and conduct yourself in a way that you think that
00:36:22.760they are real or you're pretending they're real or however you want to phrase it
00:36:26.100and see what happens in your life. I think one of the things is if you go through the motions
00:36:32.760and you're genuinely trying and you're genuinely open to them being real you end up finding out
00:36:40.680that they are in fact real and that there is in fact a positive change in your life and you feel
00:36:45.880a presence and you feel a connection to the gods that you may not have thought was possible i think
00:36:52.360that's a very real thing if you want more on just that idea um i was invited to do an interview
00:36:59.960on an atheist show a number of years ago named tom jump it's in our archives on this channel
00:37:07.000uh maybe even nick can find a link to it i don't know but it it is this it is this
00:37:13.160question writ large it is me talking with an atheist and sharing with him why i believe that
00:37:20.280our gods are real i guess why i know that our gods are real and seeing how that goes i don't
00:37:26.840think i convinced him but he did reach out that his girlfriend was very curious and wanted to know
00:37:33.040more many people in his audience were curious you're going to get people that want to treat
00:37:40.960life as something you know ironic and something to not be treated seriously but you're also going
00:37:47.940to find genuine people that haven't ever had religion in their life and don't know what
00:37:53.960they're missing and it's a really good opportunity. I'm glad that you want to have that conversation
00:37:57.900with your friend and I encourage you to do so. Svon, do you have any suggestions on that?
00:38:09.380Excuse me, did it again. I think first off, one of the things that you have to do is
00:38:15.100frame your mind into understanding where they are at um as al-ziragothi said it could be
00:38:24.180that they're atheistic because they grew up in a household that didn't
00:38:29.980uh see anything really beyond the material um and they're interested there could
00:38:38.540More than likely, I see, however, there is that there are people defected from monotheism, and specifically because we live in the West, it would be Christianity.
00:38:52.760And that they have become disposed, they have become critical because of the nature of monotheism and Christianity itself.
00:39:05.600And it's hard for them to conceptualize our faith and the way that it's framed and how it's different. And so they immediately come in with a kind of critical mind and they relegate things down.
00:39:22.880So it's like a double barrel between their modernism and the way that Christianity has, you know, demonized other religions.
00:39:33.580And in so doing, they have also created a hostile environment for Western folk who are not of that faith in reality.
00:39:45.320They're not, it doesn't always, they have to shave the corners to make it fit or really jump through the mental gymnastics.
00:39:56.320So if you know where they're coming from, that is where I say you would start to look at things in various ways.
00:40:04.160As I was here ago, they said, by the living example is probably the easiest because it can apply to all.
00:40:11.500but you know the fact that there are people out there who think oh you know i've read the
00:40:20.540the adas and they're you know fighting and doing these things and that things
00:40:26.240they're looking at it very much like the bible which is a semi-historical it is that
00:40:33.240directionality where man is making and making himself divine whereas on the other side
00:40:42.600our faith is the newest applicant claims that he has a weapons charge
00:48:50.980um yeah i would say really social grouping is the first and main point of that family
00:49:02.760and friends um getting your family to come out and share with you in your faith is a huge thing
00:49:12.380and again if you're fighting monotheistic trepidations it could be something as simple as
00:49:19.100come and see what I do so that you're no longer X, Y, or Z. Um, and as long as they're, you know,
00:49:29.040uh, not hostile, you know, that bringing them to events or bringing them to moots or
00:49:35.760bringing them to your own personal, uh, bloat, I think is, is a great way to start for them to see
00:49:44.160Every time I have ever had people who are not in our faith come to a wedding, come to a name fastening, the sprinkling of water on the child, or a funeral, there's always this conversation afterwards where they say, that just felt so natural.
00:50:08.800that felt like i understood exactly why and what was going on i have never felt this way or um
00:50:18.880at a wedding i i recently performed um early in the in the summer um there was there was this um
00:50:29.840sense that when when nature when the forces of nature the will of the gods apple implementing
00:50:37.040it's uh the mesh in our material world really actually manifested in front of people
00:50:45.680that really threw a lot of people off they couldn't some of them were dizzy from it um
00:50:53.840and again it's about relationship it's it's not uh you know anyone like not one person in particular
00:51:02.320doing things. No, it's this incredible relationship that we can have with the gods
00:51:07.440that is there and they just happen to witness it. So there are opportunities in these moments
00:51:16.800of bloat and of sumble and of holy tides and coming to temples, coming to the hoth,
00:51:24.580coming to national events that can allow for people who don't believe. And it just requires
00:51:32.300you inviting them so the social circle it's easy to start out with friends and family perhaps it's
00:51:41.180a social club or network of people that you like or some specific people in there that
00:51:49.020are more open to it and then lastly there is outside of your social circle and in that one
00:51:57.820that one gets a little harder uh you know outside of say co-workers and things like that
00:52:05.420but be open to chance because the gods are guiding people back to the faith and you may be
00:52:15.180the harbor so if you meet someone and they see your thor's hammer don't be afraid to say oh yeah
00:52:23.340i'm i'm with the asitra folk assembly i'm also true i've been also true for this long and uh you
00:52:31.180should come out i'm gonna do a bloat at my house on thursday and then in two weeks we'd have an
00:52:37.420event at the huff and i'm going down there you should come with me there's nothing wrong with
00:52:42.140doing that and again it's not placed on a caveat uh just as people get all twisted up about us
00:52:51.660we kneel on our knee to show respect to the gods not supplication but respect because of their power
00:53:01.660and piety because of their power but we also invite people not because i'm trying to save
00:53:07.500your soul that lord othen wants you to come down to the hof or he's gonna uh
00:53:13.660throw you in a river of knives no so there's less pressure there
00:53:21.660You're not concealing some alternative motive. Instead, it should be liberating and you should
00:53:28.480be able to say, hey, if you want to come down, you can come down and see this and see how it's
00:53:33.640helped me and my life has grown from this. And I've come home. I feel more comfortable now in
00:53:39.380understanding the divine. And there's the community that I have and we are helping people with food
00:53:46.500and we are coming together and doing things and maybe you'd like to do that too you don't have an
00:53:52.660alternative motive so you shouldn't feel as much trepidation um i think that is a huge point that
00:54:00.340a lot of people forget because they immediately associate trying to network people and be that
00:54:06.980harbor for people to come home be that light for them is somehow like you're trying to sell
00:54:14.420the gods or you're trying to trick people or uh save their souls as i have often heard
00:54:20.500from monotheists so if you don't have that that opens up a lot so everybody's circumstance is
00:54:27.620different um be identifiably also true i mean assume assuming that you're up to good things
00:54:41.860be identifiably also true don't don't wear your hammer to the strip club
00:54:48.580but like if you're doing good things and you're known for who you are you are a living
00:54:58.580living billboard for our faith if you want to be wear your hammer wear it proudly and
00:55:05.860and take opportunities to speak openly about our faith.
00:55:13.260I know that we all, or I'm sure a great many of us,
00:55:18.260have a discomfort talking about Ausatru publicly in mixed company
00:55:24.200because any of the normal fears you might expect,
00:55:28.560but quite honestly, just because it's different requires explanations
00:55:32.540and people may look at you funny or whatever that is.
00:55:35.860we all have kind of a innate fear of being looked at funny get over that to the best of our ability
00:55:44.840and talk about ausitry um you know when you're out at a restaurant bless your meal don't like
00:55:55.600secretly bless your meal but bless your meal with your family and if people ask about it great if
00:56:31.400we all have people in our lives all over the place that don't know about house of truth
00:56:40.680that we interact with don't be obnoxious don't uh be somebody that you know tries to
00:56:49.640annoy people with something that they clearly don't want but bring it up talk about it people
00:56:55.320are talking about their church talk about yours people are talking about their faith
00:57:00.440talk about yours we all have friends that you play video games with or that you train at your
00:57:07.320dojo or train at your gym or you know are part of a club that you're part of or you know
00:57:16.280whatever your situation might be whatever your hobbies are whatever you do
00:57:21.400talk to them that it's as simple as that but it's the combination of the two things
00:57:26.840them knowing you them knowing you're not crazy and you have a good life you have a good family
00:57:34.380you're not a bad person huh this house of truth thing must be something serious because you're
00:57:40.060a serious person you wouldn't tell me that if it wasn't serious huh let me look into that
00:57:44.980it all starts there word of mouth is very powerful but extend that we all have different groups that
00:57:52.780interact with online um we all have social media we all have stuff share the afa's posts share links
00:58:00.860to this program tell people about it be proactive share this on your social media share it in you
00:58:09.340know whatever group that you're part of you can share links and those help and it can and you can
00:58:15.660share links with a certain amount of social buffer if you're uncomfortable otherwise those are all
00:58:21.820things that i would suggest um i got a follow-up question for you guys in relation to your question
00:58:32.060how do you react when marvel fans think it's your religion example uh hamdala is the whitest god
00:58:40.460but marvel thinks otherwise it's fun have you ever run into that in real life0.78
00:58:45.340um other than the flippant oh you mean like the marvel
00:58:54.620thor or that that kind of is mentioned the only time i really hear it is when it's weaponized by
00:59:01.260monotheistic white european christians who just they hate um pre like uh pre-christian europe
00:59:13.180and so that i mean the irony of that is you know being pro-european but hating pre-christian europe
00:59:19.840and so they're like oh your gods are in marvel or you know they try to weaponize it as an insult
00:59:24.500but actual marvel fans or people of pop culture i never have however i have seen people
00:59:33.400come into the faith heavily influenced by media and the the biggest problem with that is there's
00:59:45.200an upside downside to media being the way in which people become interested is that the the
00:59:51.560upside is is that they hear the names and they are encouraged in their heart to pursue but yet
00:59:57.940they bring what they know with them so that they don't feel like an absolute newborn it gives them0.95
01:00:04.780a sense of kind of stability and what they end up looking like is kind of foolish because0.93
01:00:09.220they're really just deifying pop culture and or or attempting to to not look foolish so oh yeah i0.76
01:00:19.660got my thor's hammer and it's the marvel thor's hammer or something like that and then they start
01:00:25.860reading the books and they're like, wait a minute, Loki's not Thor's brother. And then they get
01:00:31.060confused. But usually I've seen people like kind of, oh, I'm completely wrong, but no one's going
01:00:37.940to lambast me for not knowing. So I'm just going to lay all this pop culture down and actually
01:00:44.360start genuinely studying. And that's generally what I've seen. So those upside downsides kind
01:00:53.260of play out in the after effects of where people go with it but pop culture in and of itself can
01:00:59.180affect in other ways i've seen people come into house of truth through music and some of those
01:01:03.700music like in the 80s and 90s uh there's a band called manowar and very very um i don't think
01:01:13.800they were doing it just for laughs there was a sincerity in their music
01:01:18.120so man award notes um first the vocals are awesome that's kind of just got light because
01:01:29.160the vocals are really clear and powerful and awesome um but secondly one of their albums
01:01:37.240all of the like album notes all of the like liner notes and stuff were in rooms and
01:01:44.040and guy i worked with showed it to me and was super impressed because i start reading i started
01:01:51.800reading him the notes and he was like you know really interested in that it was when i was
01:01:57.400bouncing and the guy that was like my bouncing guru um great guy named barry eagles passed away
01:02:03.480years ago um he was i think norwegian by you know heritage i
01:02:16.280so i've told this story on here might as well i the way that job worked when they're hiring
01:02:21.400you for a bouncer there would have you come in early sunday morning and the guys had been
01:02:27.400fighting and bouncing and dealing with stuff all weekend so they had to get up early and they were
01:02:31.480grumpy and then i'll gather around in a circle and like rapid fire question you and like
01:02:36.840interrogate you on the interview and i guess i don't know i guess i was standoffish to this
01:02:45.560or something they were not going to hire me because they thought i was trying to flex on them
01:02:49.880i think i just had good posture and was like i don't know it was how i responded to them kind
01:02:54.520of coming at me with stuff but this guy barry he was the boss's brother he noticed my hammer
01:03:02.920and came over he asked me about it he told him i was that was true and i explained it
01:03:06.760and he pulled his hammer out and started talking to me and i think he was just wearing his for
01:03:11.800for cultural reasons you know he liked the idea of it but i don't know that he was sold on the gods
01:03:18.760but he knew that i was and so he you know he was trying to one night it was a slow night and he had
01:03:24.360his man of war cd out he was you know trying to get me to listen man award he's like and check
01:03:28.440this out these are in rooms whatever and i started reading them and he was really impressed it's not
01:03:33.400necessarily relevant but it came to mind when you brought it up well yeah i i i mean i think
01:03:45.720there are certain people that get uh attracted to come home through many different mediums
01:03:53.080and some are i think more pleasant than others is kind of what we're really talking about if you
01:03:58.920have this person who comes home because they were inspired by uh this music that you know they
01:04:06.280understand concepts of like heroism and they're attracted to those concepts and want to attain
01:04:14.760those things but then you have people who are on top culture and perhaps it's kind of the same
01:04:19.320thing heroism but it's deeply uh entwined with modernism and modern concepts and and all of
01:04:29.260those things and um again it's ultimately the directionality is is it's mortals becoming gods
01:04:38.040kind of idea very abrahamic very middle eastern versus the the indescribable
01:04:47.660cosmic forces becoming describable and then being relatable through things that we experience
01:04:56.940in our lives. That directionality to us versus us being the gods of the world or being gods of
01:05:04.660the material. So you end up... No, I was just going to say, I thought you were finished. I was going
01:05:11.500say I've never I have never encountered a serious confusion about Marvel characters I have encountered
01:05:19.280snarky people trying to be rude right but I've never encountered like somebody oh I thought that
01:05:25.880was just comic book characters I've never met a real person say that I've had rude Christians0.85
01:05:32.260online say that I've never I don't know that that exists in the wild but I know that that's something
01:05:38.720that people on twitter or whatever like to say snarky thing about which is silly on facebook
01:05:49.280um this next question is interesting i'm gonna throw it to you first spawn
01:05:55.760what are your thoughts on englism and the slavic arian betas
01:06:01.760um i've heard about englism as like an offshoot of the the uh rod novary branch um i don't know
01:06:17.360if it would be considered again an offshoot or an organization that is technically rod novary but
01:06:25.840they they have perhaps a focus and an idea of where they're trying to go and what they're trying
01:06:31.740to do um i've heard scant about them or i'm i'm i'm not hugely familiar with them um
01:06:41.680now i've also heard about the slavic edas and that they they're there is a claim or
01:06:50.100at least a proposition that it was written or edict out by Perun, who is the striker god of
01:07:02.460the Slavic faith and would be an absolute comparison of the two. If we're looking at
01:07:10.420two separate Aryan branches, our branch is Thor in the Slavic branches. Perun and that, you know,0.82
01:07:18.460many many are like 3 000 years um before the common era that this was written or this was
01:07:29.900attested to i don't know about that i'm i'm speculative of it and um i didn't hear that
01:07:37.420proclamation till just tonight i i was looking up because i was like yeah i've heard of this
01:07:42.620and i'm looking at and i was like whoa that's kind of a strange proclamation so i am very
01:07:48.220skeptical of that i think um that is a huge need that a lot of people have to oh our religion was
01:08:00.060written by a god that sounds very abrahamic again the directionality thing i keep pointing out
01:08:06.300um also a deep connection or desire by other aryan branches to want to attach their faith
01:08:14.140directly to the Araya of India is another one that I find it's tempting for the other Aryan
01:08:27.200branches to do. They don't understand why, okay, why did the Araya write things down1.00
01:08:33.160so soon, and yet these other branches didn't. And of course, this is in relation to the importance
01:08:41.040of oral history and poetry kind of what we're even very much talking about in the lore that
01:08:47.200we are talking about tonight to even the material that it to create these things were not
01:08:56.800emphasized because of other things so the writing down of those traditions makes them older and
01:09:04.080somehow uh people in their minds say okay well if this is a written down older therefore it is
01:09:11.440somehow more authentic it's this kind of litmus that they have written down in their minds and so
01:09:18.880in in that a lot of other groups branches of aryan uh religions or religiosity of the gods
01:09:28.800are like oh no no we're we're like them we did it like them and and here it is and i would be very
01:09:35.520very speculative of it um a lot of kind of aftermath of um the bolshevik revolution
01:09:46.080throughout russia and the slavic countries has created some very interesting waves in its wake
01:09:53.920and in doing so there's been a kind of like imagine starving a people of their spiritual
01:10:00.400countenance and they become ultra you know greek orthodox or they become ultra uh rodnavary and
01:10:10.000they want to go big and and they present a lot of things and so i'd be speculative of that
01:10:17.840However, if they're a group that's organizing and doing things, you know, that's within their complete power to do so. I think linguistics is the big thing.
01:10:30.100It's much easier for groups in Slavic countries to utilize ideas within a Slavic context.
01:10:39.300And it's much harder for Slavic people to see the success we're having here and adopt it because perhaps things are lost in translation.
01:10:49.440And that's something that I think we're we are working towards in reigniting the gods back into the whole of European people's souls.
01:11:03.740And so when you have that problem, there are going to be people that are going to immediately cordon off and try to just hold into one entire section.
01:11:13.920and they don't want to relinquish oh yeah you know we're Slavic so we're going to do it the
01:11:19.780Slavic way instead of seeing that the gods as Aryan gods have been in all of these branches
01:11:29.760the relationships are different with the different people but out of all of those people
01:11:33.680they remain here now in the angelo or germanic uh branch but this branch is the most open to
01:11:45.860um the acceptance and understanding that we were all once a unified people and it's not simply
01:11:51.860just being an anglo-germanic anymore it's it's beyond that now so we um we i think we find that
01:11:59.360a lot. As long, I haven't looked into what they have produced or what their deeds are, so I can't0.99
01:12:06.900give a full-on opinion, but that's just kind of what I'm thinking on the onset. All right, so I
01:12:16.080would really like to pretend that I know about this stuff. I really don't. When I read the question
01:12:21.360in the queue that is the first time i had ever heard of that movement or those texts uh i do
01:12:29.040have wikipedia pulled up on them on the side and it sounds fascinating and i'm really curious about
01:12:34.240it i you know share a lot of initial skepticism but it sounds very interesting and i definitely
01:12:42.160would like to read more yeah i one of the things that caught my attention about them was the usage
01:12:48.240of the in in relation to of course our lord in fray and um perhaps the russian swede connection
01:12:57.360there but uh couldn't find an immediate thing on it so i i don't know so you will definitely be
01:13:04.480reading more about that matt how devastating are the election results going to be for our people
01:13:11.920in the future who's to say um no i i am an american uh
01:13:24.800my state didn't get hit particularly bad by it but
01:13:32.560i get the concern can't say i'm not you know deflated a bit about how some things went
01:13:39.680But we don't gain a lot from that. I think it's impossible to say what kind of negative effects, but we've had overwhelmingly chaotic, non-traditional, progressive, in quotation mark,
01:14:03.940surges of political things in our country before
01:24:44.940fear is the reason they are afraid uh implemented at you know young ages through generations
01:24:55.080fear is the thing and you have to understand that too when uh for people who become
01:25:02.900ausitru they they return and they live their life and over um time they see more people coming in
01:25:11.040and as they do they have to negotiate one aspect which is to understand that this person might be
01:25:17.720full of doubt and trepidation because of fear that was implanted in them and because they don't know
01:25:26.960that hell isn't hell it's Gehenna and that you know Jesus isn't Jesus it's Yeshua and he's not
01:25:35.380christos the anointed by fat in greek no he is the mashiach of the judeans and from you know the the
01:25:45.860the king not the king of the world no the king of the holy land which is not europe and not where
01:25:52.740our folk are from the middle east it takes layers after layer of peeling away all of all of this
01:26:01.860fear through facts and showing them no look this is why it is the way this is this is the why it
01:26:08.420is the way it this is and their relationship with the divine has been entirely built on this fear
01:26:15.380and that fear has been sold to them under a blanket of shiny lie which is that it is
01:26:22.500unconditional love um i was even talking to one of my clients today he cannot separate his
01:26:30.260conceptualization that despite all of the lies that have been told and all the fear that has
01:26:37.260been washed over him it still comes from a place of love and despite the jealous god or the
01:26:47.440punishment for sins of the ancestors of other people it doesn't matter it you know it it's
01:26:57.340all about true love but i don't want to turn away because i'm gonna get punished and so they
01:27:04.940immediately make everything that is outside of that um evil and they use the the greek word
01:27:14.440demonic um which is you know really incorrect but now that we know uh about with through archaeology
01:27:24.520All monotheism comes from polytheism, all of it. None of it just popped up organically. It was always, in the case of Yahweh, a minor god separating into a cult and that cult becoming its own faith, and then that faith expounding on the idea that their god is the only god.
01:27:46.740The same with Islam, the head god of the Islamic pagan pantheon becomes the central cult. It happened in Egypt numerous times. Thankfully, they wrote about it. So we can see this rise and fall of monotheism in a society that we know about.0.85
01:28:06.360um this kind of offshoot and offspring of or condensing down breaking away from nature
01:28:13.820and only concerning ourselves with the divine and man um not having any conceptualization
01:28:22.840of other things is a side effect and with that you are affronted by realities and so you must
01:28:30.620make those reality realities evil um i was just listening to the song um what is it the uh the
01:28:39.340sinking of the edmund fitzgerald and there is a line in there it says where is god's love when
01:28:46.860the waves would not stop crashing and it hit me that um you know these uh these men these god
01:28:55.820fearing men are getting pummeled by the water and their doom is imminent and they just have to
01:29:04.600you know take it and trust in the great plan or or what have you but if is all love then why
01:29:14.080this trepidation and doom of being battered and crushed by the world around them um and
01:29:22.020they find different reasons uh you know god has a plan and and that's usually like a benign and
01:29:31.260kind of not willful thing so it becomes neutral or it's evil the reason why anything they're
01:29:40.060experiencing is because they're evil the and it started even with the the judeans why are the
01:29:46.260romans in the holy land why isn't the messiah showing up and blasting the romans out of our
01:29:53.900place with i-beams and um you know i don't know uh menorah missiles or whatever it's it's0.90
01:30:02.260the ridiculousness of it is is that it builds a concept that there is punishment that is
01:30:09.800brought upon because they have filed down divinity into one singular aspect and anything
01:30:18.980outside of that then must become the reflective opposite they can't see the evolution of the cult
01:30:27.300of yahweh separating from the canaanites and they can't see that the judeans being enslaved by the
01:30:36.320babylonians is you know the the flood myth synthesized into that culture and they completely
01:30:43.100adopted that story from the people that had enslaved them they cannot see it and it gets
01:30:50.980even worse when it's europeans defending it at just white frothy of the mouth defense and that
01:31:01.900all boils down to one thing is fear they are afraid
01:31:06.020for misdeeds and it is all throughout so despite the conditional love there's lots of conditions
01:31:15.220and that condition is fear and fear is one of the hardest things to break psychologically from
01:31:21.400people so that they can then be free it is the cave um but the cave is the maw of
01:31:30.420this being that they say is it's unconditional one nope everything was set up because if you
01:31:39.240go against me um you know you shall you shall suffer um eternally and that is kind of a hard
01:31:48.580oh but we have free will it's like this setup is so foreign to the soul of the folk and the
01:31:58.780sensibility of honor and the way that the cosmos and nature works that it always reaches this
01:32:05.580breaking point and i think the only thing that keeps them on the other side of it is fear so
01:32:15.020sure i think fear is part of it but i also think comfort is a bigger part of it i don't think it's
01:32:19.180fear of damnation i think it is fear of social acceptance the lack thereof it is easy to be a
01:32:28.060christian it is easy to be christian and have your peers not look at you funny have your family
01:32:37.260celebrate your choice not feel like you're strange or different or other and there's a comfort factor
01:32:45.820to it it's something that our you know many of our parents or our grandparents our great-grandparents
01:32:53.180and a long line of our people we're familiar with and you don't have to deal with the same
01:33:01.820difference that those of us who are also true have to deal with
01:33:07.020and they lack the courage to stand on things that they know to be true so the more and more
01:33:12.300they wake up to truth the more they have to do radical mental gymnastics you know like0.92
01:33:21.260like black Hebrew Israelites or like the British Israelists
01:33:28.240or Christian identity, you know, we was Jews
01:33:33.860because you have to do this painful mental gymnastics
01:33:39.740And it's funny and it's silly from the outside
01:33:42.960and from the inside, there is a big hurdle
01:33:47.080to break free of that and to embrace something that's different, something that isn't mainstream
01:33:55.180yet, something that is not familiar to your coworkers or to your family or to your friends
01:34:02.920that you have to explain, and you have to have the ability to stand tall and be looked
01:34:14.880at funny none of us we we are all social creatures and as much as many of us may
01:34:20.960pound our chest and pretend that we're above it we all have a reluctance to be looked at as strange
01:34:27.600or different or odd or other we all want to fit in and rejecting christianity and turning to
01:34:36.000also true is a degree of that depending on your family depending on your peer group
01:34:41.520um so you have to face truth on its own terms instead of on the terms that are comfortable
01:34:48.400to you and i think people shy away from that discomfort i think that's the biggest thing
01:34:53.100what do you think of doing that say there it's fine let's say oh wow that was it uh
01:35:02.020uh so i think in as of late some people have tried to turn
01:35:07.420Seder into this kind of evil form of magic. They tried to create a dichotomy in order to
01:35:15.900best establish their position in one camp or the other. But what we see from historical counts is
01:35:24.140that it was blended in our ancient ancestor societies and that it was a conceptualization
01:35:32.620that had directionality i've spoken about religious directionality so now magic directionality
01:35:39.220and say there is inward versus outward and that makes it inherently feminine it makes it inherently
01:35:49.080uh of the earth and of the water because the water and the earth receive um and uh in juxtaposition
01:35:59.600to say any other magical type but obviously we're going to pull into say like gold or rune where it's
01:36:05.360this manifestation of trying to implement one's will forward into the or law of the world and so
01:36:12.560therefore that's projected inherently masculine and um that that attempt to polarize it is really
01:36:21.760I think a whiplash of modernism, modern feminine or modern ideals about the feminine are shaping
01:36:31.960that. And that's what they're truly following. And I would caution us against that. We are0.59
01:36:37.320two halves that bring something to the table and are better for by understanding. So I don't have
01:36:46.220the stigma of of um understanding say that and and considering the possibilities of the exploration
01:36:54.640of it in particular amongst our our women folk i think it's because um it is uh inherently feminine
01:37:03.300that the feminine powers uh do it better um and that is an allocation of the power of that
01:37:11.700femininity but the reaction of oh no say there's bad and galder is good that's i think a product of
01:37:17.660modern political kind of notions affecting something in our faith that i that's that's
01:37:26.760why i take an objection to that they should stop doing that and realize no there is a unit
01:37:32.520unification between the two that have functionality within each other and so therefore
01:37:37.380We should have our lady folks exploring this lost tradition and reconnecting with their ancestors and attempting to learn. And that even men who are reading it, trying to understand it, maybe perhaps even too.
01:37:54.560My biggest interest was its connectivity to pre-Bronze Age magic systems and its connectivity to spirit travel or the understanding of the spiritual world.
01:38:12.540Those things, I find that very fascinating, and I don't think we should discount them.
01:38:16.520i think we should encourage that it is again two sides are coming together on the table and we are
01:38:21.960better to have them both rather than to ostracize one and glorify the other just because of some like
01:38:29.320you know anti or knee-jerk reaction um andrew tate ism uh itch of the of of uh
01:38:38.520philosophy that now takes a huge part of our past and makes it bad
01:38:47.400yeah say it was awesome now i say that it all depends on who's trying to do it and who you're
01:38:54.200talking to um it's not it's gay for men to do um it's a great thing for women who are gifted in it
01:40:42.080a projective inflicting your will upon the world kind of magical practice that is inherently
01:40:52.560masculine, whereas Sather is inherently receptive, is perhaps mediumistic, and is
01:41:04.120receiving you give yourself over to being overtaken or spoken through or possessed by
01:41:13.040or those kind of concepts and that's inherently a feminine thing
01:41:19.520and when someone starts acting spooky and then claims that they're really the god so and so
01:41:31.780saying something it's hard to know when to take that seriously does that ever happen yes do most
01:41:42.220people who claim that happening are they full of are they full of it is that not true yes most of
01:41:49.120the time and that's why it's very difficult a lot of people have given it a bad name and it's very
01:41:54.820hard to determine what is authentic and what is not and there's not a perfect answer to that
01:42:01.780We don't, we have yet, we've yet to develop a class of women that we can, you know, place confidence in and say, oh, these people are, you know, certified, legit, trust their, you know, safe speakings.
01:42:22.800I think it will be wonderful when that occurs, but I don't think that we're there yet.
01:42:27.900Other random side note, and this is not a jab at any of our folk that have second sight
01:42:38.300or that have magical aptitude or any of our ladies that practice a form of Seder.
01:42:47.960one of the things that is difficult is i think similar mental functionality occurs between
01:42:59.340schizophrenia other forms of insanity and legitimate communion with the divine in a
01:43:08.340magical way i think similar neural pathways exist similar brain chemistry exists and i
01:43:16.140that there are overlaps to where the same phenomenon exists in the same person to where
01:43:22.700sometimes people are crazy and touched by the gods that happens that historically has happened
01:43:30.860and it makes it all the more difficult to know what to trust and what not to trust i have not
01:43:39.180i don't know that i've experienced anyone who's practiced like oracular safe
01:43:51.500in real life like i've read of occurrences but i've never witnessed that in a way that i could
01:43:58.940certify i have interacted with people who
01:44:03.500who see things and who perceive things
01:44:08.180in a different way than us who can see.
01:44:14.260It's hard to even find the right word0.92
01:44:20.260that I think are absolutely 100% legitimate.
01:44:24.200So there's things, there's an opening for it
01:44:27.460and I would love to see it expanded upon,
01:44:29.500but it's something that has quite a significant headwind
01:44:33.320uh skepticism that it has to overcome um there was a question that came in i was wondering if um
01:44:43.560we could kind of address it it's in relation to this question no about lord odin learning say
01:44:52.120that from please go for it yeah uh so we see this a lot we also um
01:45:02.360And, you know, speaking of directionality, but more so, people often forget that Thor and Lord Odin and Lord Thor have an exchange in which the accusation of Seder is thrown at Harbarðr, who is Lord Odin.
01:45:26.560And Lord Odin also accuses Loki of practicing Seder. And what we kind of end up finding is, much like the term Alvar, the title itself does not always denote the intent or the level as to which it becomes negative or positive.
01:45:50.540And, you know, I've tried to look in and see where that exactly is, you know, in Iceland, when they decided, OK, we're going to honor the gods as normal, but we will go to this Christ God on Sundays.
01:46:06.300He went under the cloak. Would that be considered much like Seder, this kind of council beyond the veil or within the world?
01:46:18.040um and you know it didn't deem him to be particularly uh negative so i think that
01:46:28.240there's varying levels and that it's not so cleanly stated sometimes it's used as an insult
01:46:34.720in the lore other times it's used as i think another point of showing that lord odin is the
01:46:42.600dynamic lord and that he will go to any length to gain wisdom in order to save the gods and the folk
01:46:51.880he will place his eye in the well he will synthesize himself to the circulatory system
01:46:58.280of the universe he will go to any length and it's not just knowledge for knowledge sake no it's to
01:47:06.920gain a better understanding to stave off Ragnarok and that is really really I think a point that's
01:47:17.080lost that's in that sense too it could be stating he's willing to do anything other times oh you0.81
01:47:25.200practice this and that's kind of gay you know or and it's kind of an insult so you've got to be
01:47:31.360careful, especially because titles in Old Norse can have variable degrees in usage, depending
01:47:37.740on context that we might not fully understand. I say that with like Alvar, or it's very similar
01:47:46.880to the usage of our word monster. We could say this man was a monster and did terrible things,
01:47:52.720or we can say there's an entity that is monstrous that lives in this place. Two different things
01:47:59.080applying to one that is physical and one that is a non-biological being it's the same word so
01:48:08.680we have to understand that and the usage of the word in the poem what was being done uh perhaps
01:48:16.920it's not so gravenly looked at that you're learning magic from freya but it is a graven
01:48:22.680sense that you dressed up like a woman and learned it from troll witches on an island
01:48:29.640that is the variant difference and so one becomes kind of a statement of
01:48:36.680the desire to learn and the other is an insult the other thing and again you get
01:48:44.920It, the woke crowd tries to invade all of the things and has some wild ideas.
01:48:56.240It's important to note, just as now, gay is always a good insult for any men talking about other guys.0.98
01:49:12.320Like, on a schoolyard level, it's a thing, because it is an instinctive go-to masculine insult to accuse other men of doing something that's effeminate.0.99
01:49:29.160It has always been repulsive to men of honor and good standing, and it continues to be so.
01:49:41.080No, I may be wrong. We don't have AFA in my country. Your worship brings you luck. If you appreciate AFA for facilitating that, why not pay them back with some luck, too?
01:49:54.020so i saw this question when it came up in the chat and people were like well not exactly
01:50:07.720but sort of i've been searching for the right term for this too and i know there is one but
01:50:14.280from your like accumulated magical might
01:50:16.940which luck is a reflection of, luck has a bearing on.
01:50:23.120When you talk about luck, yes, sort of.
01:50:28.460We all have a, within us, a quantity of,0.99
01:50:39.980so this is gay, but I'm going to say this anyway.0.95
01:50:42.200we all got a certain we've all got like a mana meter of like our our magical points or whatever0.76
01:50:48.960as you level up you get a bigger little meter that holds more mana and when you do bloat and
01:50:59.560do this with one another you get mana potions that you refill your mana reservoir
01:51:07.500are it's silly but in a way spiritual efficacy in a way it is apropos you have a certain bank
01:51:15.500of spiritual efficacy that you develop through consistent right action you come into the world
01:51:21.260with a certain amount of it with um the hymenia that's bequeathed to you from your ancestors
01:51:29.900with your your law um and you accelerate your accumulation of it when you do
01:51:40.860right action in a group in a ritual context
01:51:45.100as you develop that and it displays as luck it displays as reputation and it displays as your
01:51:53.900for what this is worth and i don't know a better way to say this
01:52:01.180luck and first you are not wrong luck is a right word for it um but it's it's hard because
01:52:09.580we have an english conception of what luck means um when i say your spiritual efficacy
01:52:17.980you develop a reputation and a power and a might about yourself that displays in one way
01:52:30.400amongst mortals and it displays in a different way beyond the veil
01:52:36.000you shine with a certain brightness to the gods and to other beings when you are spiritually potent
01:52:44.320your light is dim if you are just starting out or if you're you know developing that from a
01:52:51.820from a low level and as you gain in spiritual might you become a beacon for those things
01:52:57.780you draw the attention of the gods to you as well as other you know benevolent and malevolent
01:53:04.420spiritual forces you have a reputation and a might about you that you can tell when somebody
01:53:12.360enters a room if that guy's you know powerful if that guy's got something about him that that
01:53:18.840guy's somebody if that guy's got aura as the kids say um you have that on the other side of the veil
01:53:27.960as well so when you are doing a land taking or when you are um doing a blessing when you are
01:53:38.680calling attention to spirits beyond the veil they recognize and see that and recognize your power
01:53:48.840or your lack thereof and respond accordingly yes you spend that and you circulate that through
01:53:56.520ritual and through sharing luck with people in the afa we try to adjust our speech to where we
01:54:02.680don't wish someone good luck unless we genuinely wish to share some of our luck or extend some of
01:54:10.440our luck to them so you know the casual like all right good luck with that no our ancestors when
01:54:16.760they said good luck they it was a i bestow some of my luck upon you in this endeavor it's like
01:54:24.920you're placing a bet um so yeah i don't think that your verbiage was wrong it just it doesn't
01:54:34.520hit the english year precisely is what we're trying to say but i don't have a singular word
01:54:39.240that's better other than making lame video game rpg references so there you have it spawn what are
01:54:46.520your thoughts i don't think that's where you went with that i know you're and again i think it's
01:54:52.920funny because i think you're also playing on the usage of the word uh how like saying the word gay
01:54:59.800and and how uh the usage of it is different in different things is like this it's silly but i
01:55:05.240think we all get it i think most people in our age group or lower get what that is even if it's
01:55:11.800silly i think it draws a picture that people can relate to and and you know uh people in like
01:55:18.360especially guys in in uh certain social groups like the military and stuff like that there's all0.79
01:55:24.360these kind of joking levels but yeah you you you painted in a in a point and we could paint it up
01:55:31.680with words of spiritual efficacy and sharing that out and doling that out and the only problem is
01:55:38.040is that people might not get that but then when we explain it in another way they'll totally get it
01:55:42.260but then it somehow diminishes the gravitas of it.
01:55:45.960But yeah, it is part of that, I think,
01:55:49.520is that when you align yourself with the power of the gods,
02:00:58.900But in order to determine that, you need to make the effort and present yourself to them
02:01:06.260and do what you can starting today to make yourself acceptable to them.
02:01:14.520You can't go back in time and fix things or, I guess, undo things that have already been done.
02:01:21.980The best you can do is start today attempting to repair the damage that you've caused, to what degree it's repairable, to take responsibility for wrong that you've done, and to build from here forward solidly a new foundation and to build your luck from where you are.
02:02:19.500unpleasant something no one wants to find themselves in but it does offer you a unique
02:02:27.520opportunity to impress the gods and your ancestors by overcoming your disadvantage
02:02:35.600You've realized that you have now created a debt for yourself to live in such a way that you can overcome the debt that you've created and still come out worthy and still come out somebody to be celebrated.
02:02:58.280That is a terrific undertaking and it's something to be respected if you can accomplish it.
02:03:05.600um you are able to recognize where you're at which is a big first step is to recognize that
02:03:17.980you're not where you want to be it's a difficult thing to recognize that you
02:03:23.760live in a state of fear and that you have um hypochondria
02:03:29.060your struggle is going to be to overcome that fear to the best that you're able
02:03:35.940much like the alcoholism you will not be able to
02:03:42.100rid yourself of it but you can keep it at bay and you can overcome it through your will
02:03:52.220and through your dedication and through consistent effort and perseverance
02:03:55.940those are valuable and worthwhile and celebratory things if you can do them
02:04:03.540um you know you've done terrible things and you've lied many times0.99
02:04:12.300stop doing terrible things and stop lying that's i'm not making fun that sounds simple and stupid0.99
02:04:20.160but so many people don't know how to stop digging once they find themselves in a hole.0.98
02:14:44.260i did not see this one coming at all um dang
02:14:50.500connor are you still in the chat if you are does this include vocalists or do they have to play an
02:15:00.620instrument we'll see go ahead and answer is however you see fit um
02:15:09.560uh i don't know the only i guess dang it i can't really like think of anyone off the top of my head
02:15:18.940uh not because i don't or i i don't know it's just it's just not something i
02:15:27.400well give us give us some of your favorite colored artists
02:15:30.740um the only thing and it's so strange that this is coming up but i think it's because of the
02:15:39.920product of my age and the time that i came in to the united states which was in the 80s
02:15:46.080uh the only thing i can think of right now is the jazz musician or she's kind of a jazz
02:15:56.500singer lounge is uh shade um okay i remember smooth operator when i was a kid coming in
02:16:07.300to the united states and uh i mean i'm not a big proponent of jazz so i can't say
02:16:13.140that that still stands but that's the first person that pops up in my mind when i think of
02:16:20.500that definitively they are not folk and i have sang along or i kind of enjoyed it
02:16:27.940it helped me learn english i don't know somewhere in there uh i think she has a very pretty voice
02:16:33.700but yeah i don't really like it's i'm not a huge fan or anything now but i guess that's
02:16:40.820the only thing i can think of that's fair that's that's legitimate um
02:16:49.700It's hard to tell the name of a bunch, but when anybody asks what is your favorite, I do a bunch of critical thinking of trying to weigh and measure, yeah, they're good, but are they my favorite?
02:17:08.240Now I've got to think what go-to things are as opposed to just kind of one-off stuff.
02:17:15.560off i enjoyed motown i enjoy like temptations um enjoy gladys knight um
02:17:28.760i enjoy sam cook first i think he's really like i enjoy his vote his voice but also
02:17:46.420mandy and i have kind of a you know in group chuckle that we get we always say remember that0.63
02:17:53.500time because he ended up a hooker stole his pants and he was running around pantless raving about
02:18:01.560the hooker who stole his pants and the uh proprietor of the hotel he stayed at shot him
02:18:06.560to death and it is a scandalous incident that we kind of remember that time every time he comes on
02:18:13.060and we we also do that whenever uh nxs comes on due to his um undignified passing so but i think
02:18:22.120was full unfortunately i don't want to claim it um so yeah i think those well nick's nickel note
02:18:29.560hootie and the who like the who is in the mongolians
02:18:37.000oh the hhu the who uh they became popular with their throat singing metal did they get sued
02:18:43.560i i don't think i think that's actually like they're probably bigger now than the who was
02:18:54.120do they cover the real who do they do any covers no no they're mongolian i want to hear a throat
02:19:00.160singing version of pinball wizard pinball with teenage wasteland i think it's also sacred cow
02:19:08.500no one's gonna sue them simply because they're like you know a tribal ethnic that's only that's
02:19:15.300racism in practice oh and that one that one hit wonder dude the really really fat hawaiian guy
02:19:20.660who plays the ukulele and sings that one song is israel is yes i know that because i lived in
02:19:29.860hawaii make a bunch of vowel noises for whatever his last name is
02:19:36.420um yes that is is a soulful tune all right um
02:19:46.900how do you deal with people who say oh well if jesus was so weak then how did he beat odin and
02:19:52.900zeus and paganism basically died swan what do you say to that he didn't and paganism isn't dead
02:20:00.100we're obviously here um that's that that that kind of conceptualization really uh speckinger east
02:20:08.580brought up a great point or just said a quip that was super great where he said oh you know your
02:20:13.860ancestors converted so jesus won um and you know uh it's like that's like saying for every church
02:20:20.500that's ever been burned down you know that means that your god is has lost or what have you that
02:20:28.580conceptualization is always one way in their minds um it never applies to them but always applies to
02:20:36.980their opponent um there's no like kind of self uh reflection but no um again it's directionality
02:20:46.660the trying to they have to make lord ovin a mortal in order for that to even be a conceptualization
02:20:55.740whether it's a painting or a really nifty internet animation which i've seen um where lord ovin is
02:21:03.500uh looking up at the rabbi and his his eye is you know burning and he he's just trembling and all
02:21:10.040and it's like no um the mortality of the gods is the key point and uh you um the gods are not
02:21:22.920mortal in any biological sense and that's ridiculous no in reality i believe that the
02:21:31.720God's understood all things beyond even our scope of understanding and that the evolution,
02:21:40.440the spiritual evolution of their children, the children of them, the folk, the Aryan soul
02:21:48.620has gone through many stages with intentionality and understanding of what that would produce
02:21:57.300in the future and what it has led to is us and we are not dead and we are not conquered
02:22:03.960um it is just unfortunate that we are at the or fortunate depending on the way you look at it
02:22:09.300that we are at the time where we have to try to beckon our people home i wish it was a great
02:22:18.060awakening um that would happen across but that is not the case so the battle is ours
02:22:23.840but i think it's a silly way to look at it um like they didn't get inside of a steel cage
02:22:33.420and have some kind of triple threat that's not how that went and i say that but that's how silly
02:22:39.580the question is and i don't blame the questioner that's the kind of thing that people say0.88
02:22:43.420didn't work like that white people betrayed other white people and forced them to accept
02:22:52.500jewish fairy tales and that's not fair partially jewish fairy tales and also partially
02:23:02.400legitimate ethnic desert god of some ethnically desert people and he tried you know various white
02:23:11.860people inflicted that on their brothers and sisters and soul sickness took place it wasn't
02:23:18.020like Jesus doing battle with Odin. That's not really how that worked. It was
02:23:23.940brothers of our folk betraying their brothers and a cycle of betrayal that brought us to where we
02:23:32.860are, unfortunately. The next question, what is the difference between a schizophrenic episode
02:23:53.600the divine experience in my experience
02:24:01.280is that it is not so egregiously jarring.
02:24:10.020I think that the gods work in multiple layers
02:24:13.160to affirm relation. So one of the big things that I think schizophrenia and schizophrenics have
02:24:22.980is the jarring nature of what they see and what they experience. And also many of them have
02:24:31.760spoken of the things that they see are direct reflections of their mental state or their mental
02:24:39.500perceptions and the gods end up interplaying in our lives a lot of times through synchronicity
02:24:52.540through um multiple layers it's not just i see something no it's it's uh the timing of something
02:25:02.060the emotional resonance that's happening between all of us at this moment. And then I look up and
02:25:11.080I see this very normal animal flying in front of the moon. And I'm actually speaking from an
02:25:21.440experience that I had at Odinshof. And all of these things could be interpreted benignly,
02:25:30.240But yet the totality of them happening all at the same time and in a very organic, natural and subtle way of the way that divinity is kind of in the fabric of things is different than the schizophrenic idea in which the brain and the mental projection of things is so jarring.
02:25:58.080It is clearly something in the mind, like a nervous breakdown, is not the norm, it's not the wholeness, it's a creation of the sharding of wholeness.
02:26:13.940the breakage of wholeness then creates this moment and that the entirety of the being is
02:26:22.860I must return to wholeness, return to being together because this is clearly a product of
02:26:32.980my breaking apart. But divine experiences are the other direction. Wow, I'm doing directionalities
02:26:39.440again um i don't know why this is a theme but again when everything is culminated with the
02:26:49.640wholeness of the self you're in a moment where the tangibility of the divine is so palpable
02:26:56.200that you feel at peace and at oneness with it that you are in inclined like a it's like diving
02:27:06.880into a pool of water it's all around you and it's not something that it feels like the that that
02:27:15.120product of jilted um mentality and oftentimes again fear is a strange thing so um i'm not
02:27:25.520saying that it's impossible to not be afraid or have fear in the presence of the gods
02:27:30.400but most divine moments that i have ever felt in tuned to are built around i am feeling whole
02:27:40.880and the world and i are in one with this moment with the divine um i have been scared by the
02:27:50.840divine but still felt whole and felt like it was a moment that i had to step up and not relent i
02:27:59.060no i must move forward but i think that sometimes in the opposite direction when people have like
02:28:06.320say schizophrenia and schizophrenic episodes it is a very much unknown that this is a fracturing
02:28:15.180reflection as opposed to a wholeness and um i mean i hope that answers it's kind of
02:28:23.560again i'm not a i'm not a doctor i'm not a a i can't so i think that this question is
02:28:34.520has plagued mankind forever and and i really mean that with no stink on it um
02:28:44.840it's an art not a science i don't think that there's anyone
02:28:48.200qualified to answer that question in a in a blanket statement um i think forever miracles
02:28:59.160have been described by the scientific community or the psychological community as a schizophrenic
02:29:08.280episode. I think many crazy homeless people who claim miraculous occurrence are experiencing
02:29:18.600schizophrenia and not divine blessings. And both of those things are true. And I think0.68
02:29:25.400there's probably an uncomfortable overlap. I think this is one of those questions that's
02:29:37.020is so very hard to answer without the specifics it's like how do you know if a dream is meaningful
02:35:19.020towards the direction needed is kind of an art form but it requires open communication
02:35:26.620and it requires no prejudice in the in the uh analysis like if you were if you talk to a
02:35:35.740psychologist they it there's no you're not going to talk to the psychologist and be like no this
02:35:41.820is odin talking to you that's not something they're going to do so they already discount
02:35:48.460that possibility the only road open to them is how mentally ill are you and is this something
02:35:56.300to be concerned about or not that's not doing a fair job because what if it's more than that
02:36:05.020so it's a really hard thing or when you get with very gullible people that want it to be more
02:36:11.020oh no this is clearly the god's talking now maybe there's an untreated mental illness that
02:36:15.900really needs to be dealt with here so that is a very intricate thing and i don't know if anybody
02:36:27.500ever knows a hundred percent if they get it right or wrong i think it's more you go for averages and
02:36:33.980you hope you get it more right than you get it wrong but i think that's a very intriguing and
02:36:39.740fascinating question that people of all faiths have struggled with for you know
02:36:47.020before they had words for schizophrenia certainly
02:36:51.980um question i've heard the afa now claims mcnalen received priesthood from odin himself
02:37:01.820and now only he can transmit authentic lineage despite mcnalen's continued writings for decades
02:37:07.340decades, not saying or teaching such. Isn't this basically a platonic noble lie fabricated
02:37:14.180for legitimacy? A claim of exclusivity? Why was it concocted recently when McNallan has
02:37:21.780for decades of material that can prove that it was never the idea that he had? It hurts
02:37:27.520the AFA's credibility, especially in the face of all the good work you're undertaking. Honest
02:37:33.080needs to be honest needs to be the foundation you're asking questions but
02:37:39.200then you're making a judgment before you've heard the answer to the question
02:37:42.860and I think that's a little bit unfair hear the answer before you decide on it
02:37:48.800if you would so I'm trying to think of where to go on it I'm aware that that is
02:37:58.940a position that some people have taken on it so
02:38:11.340the afa has not claimed that the only authentic um transmission of lineage
02:38:17.580comes from steven now that's just not true we have claimed that that is the authentic lineage
02:38:25.580that we have currently that's not ever to preclude that our gods can initiate other people or that
02:38:33.980that has happened that has certainly happened in the past it has certainly happened with
02:38:39.340contemporaries so to speak it certainly happened with um in modern times at the very least
02:38:47.980with uh i'll say your gothe spain bantanson um with i don't know in the same way with the
02:38:56.220folk mother elsie christensen but certainly a degree of that with alexander rudd mills with
02:39:03.500school with stubba um yes absolutely uh
02:39:11.180Matter of fact, I mentioned earlier our Gothi Thorgrunn-Oden, a friend of mine who passed recently.
02:39:22.540He was ordained at a time that the AFA was not ordaining Gothar, and he was ordained by, at the time,
02:39:30.400Osheragothi Jorminder Inge Hansen, and Jorminder got his ordination through Spanbjorn, that
02:39:40.880was absolutely legitimate, so I think that's overstated, but we do mention that the priesthood
02:39:50.880that was established between the all-father and steve in 1968 is the authentic lineage
02:40:00.640that brings us to where we are it is what we are very serious about protecting and
02:40:09.600upholding the legitimacy of because that legitimacy really matters when every person can
02:40:17.600claim that they're a gothi because they said so in their backyard it devalues the office of gothi
02:40:25.440and many many of those people are not serious many of those people are not qualified to do that
02:40:33.840we believe very much in the afa that this is the path that's blessed by the all father this is his
02:40:42.160will that the afa establish and maintain the institution of aussitrew in midgard
02:40:50.000sincerely believing that we have a responsibility and i personally have a responsibility
02:40:56.160in trying to maintain the integrity of what the office and go through means
02:41:01.920i can't go out and force people not to call themselves that that's not within my power to do
02:41:09.520but i do have the power to choose who the afa recognizes as legitimately ordained gothar or not
02:41:16.960not only do i have the power to do that i have a duty and a responsibility to the gods and to
02:41:22.080the alpha and i take that very seriously it's not about trying to flex on people
02:41:27.920it's about trying to maintain the integrity of something that i've devoted my life to
02:41:31.920and that generations have built that i don't i can't allow to
02:41:40.400lose credibility and to be treated really the idea about steve not claiming that
02:41:52.240and i get what you're saying and i'm aware of of things but it's a development and i think
02:42:02.360that that's one of the things to think about as well steve so his initiation by the all-father
02:42:11.480in 1968 that would have meant steve was 20 years old steve is now 78 years old
02:42:20.720he has surely advanced in his understanding of things between when he was 20 and when he was
02:42:30.060seven many of his writings that are more you know libertarian everybody do their own thing
02:42:37.420occurred you know in his relative youth in his 20s and his 30s
02:42:45.100his understanding and his development has grown over time
02:42:49.960I try to make the point of this, but at that time in the 60s and the 70s, the other lines of initiation, as I mentioned at the time through Elsie, through Sveinbjorn, through Haskell and Stubba were all very active in legitimate other options that people were doing.
02:43:13.560He was still during that time of testing and that kind of contest to see what version of Alcetru would stand the test of time, what version of Alcetru would be successful, who could make the most of this and make this work.
02:43:28.520That was still an open question at that time.
02:43:31.760So, you know, certainly he didn't make that claim in his 20s or his 30s.
02:43:39.440One of the things that was realized when Steve dissolved the Alistair Free Assembly in 1987 was that this everybody do their own thing thing didn't work, didn't work for our folk, doesn't work for our folk now, dilutes the mission of what we're trying to accomplish and is not what the Allfather intended.
02:44:05.060So Steve took time away from Alistair True, traveling the world and learning and listening to the All-Father.
02:44:15.740When he came back and founded the Alistair True Folk Assembly, it was with a very different understanding of how this needed to work and what should be different than what was original.
02:44:29.000Steve has always been somebody who has struggled with greatness.
02:44:32.760he never wanted to be the center of attention he never wanted to be the guy with the big hat
02:44:38.940but the all-father chose him to be that guy and to do this great endeavor that he did
02:44:45.960so yeah he has always downplayed his significance because he's at heart a very humble man
02:44:53.720and there's certainly a lot to respect in that but that doesn't change the fact that we
02:45:00.940fundamentally believe his is the ordination that has been favored with victory by the father of
02:45:08.700victory by the all-father and by the other iser we believe that is approved of and enshrined by them
02:45:16.460and that we are tasked with maintaining that and maintaining the integrity of that
02:45:22.300that's fundamental to the foundations of our church we take this very seriously
02:45:26.460I understand if you don't agree with that or if other people might not agree with that, but we do.
02:45:33.740And to not acknowledge that and to not accept the duty that we've been tasked with is not acceptable and not something we can do.
02:45:42.240It's not a marketing campaign. It's not to try to look good for the masses.
02:45:48.440It's to try to execute the mission that we believe, that I believe I've been tasked with by the gods.
02:45:54.740that's exactly what it is and that's that's all that it is
02:45:59.940it's it's also interesting the people making that claim talk about steve's writings over the course
02:46:08.160of time i know the man i've he's a friend of mine i've known him for
02:46:17.580when i met him in 2010 i've known him for you know
02:46:23.980what 16 years there's been many conversations and coming to an understanding um with steve
02:46:33.860on the nature of a lot of things so to claim that you know you somebody read articles that
02:46:41.700he wrote in a publication in the 70s and act as though you know who i think i am to contradict
02:46:48.840an article from the room stone in 1985 is odd because in june we sat together at sumble
02:46:58.460in celebration of what the afa is doing and how how things are
02:47:03.540it's it's just an interesting thing because it's not he's not some dead you know long dead author
02:47:12.440that we debate over his you know points that he wrote about wondering what if he's a living person
02:47:17.760that exists and is very happy with the things the afa has accomplished um since his passing the torch
02:47:25.360um but yeah i'm happy to answer any more questions about that but that's kind of
02:47:31.280fundamentally where i'm coming from may i of course so i just want we've you've already
02:47:40.720established too that we speak about the divine initiation of our holy or heroes and uh they are
02:47:48.500represented in our artwork with the red sun and rod this initiation of um both stepping up and
02:47:57.860being integrated in um with the divine through these initiations oftentimes standing up against
02:48:05.720death and insurmountable odds or facing massive pressures of time and of society, all of these
02:48:17.100things. So we've already established that we acknowledge these people to be divinely initiated
02:48:24.080into their stations in the process of the divine. So that automatically shows that we're not
02:48:32.860creating or fabricating some propaganda campaign that uh founder mcnaland is exclusively and only
02:48:40.300the only one of the truth that brings and bears um the light but from him and from the position
02:48:50.140even in particularly stories that he has said to me i have listened to him and
02:48:58.860And there comes this point in the question that this is where it becomes venomous, or at least to me, is the concoction part, is that if Founder MacNallan tells us a story about a very powerful moment that is,
02:49:18.860And even though he does not wish to be or to label himself to others as being of this great significance, you hear this moment and you realize there was a huge significance of it that is divine and you interpret it this way.
02:49:41.760that's not a concoction it is looking and again he's not dead he's a living person so as you're
02:49:49.680hearing this and you go this is divine don't don't you see it and he may say well you know i i've
02:49:57.280tried to logically look at it this way or i can't quite explain it that doesn't mean that we have
02:50:03.840somehow taken these divine experiences that he has physically told us and concocted a lie and
02:50:14.800that idea of the republic you know creating these noble lies whether it's to kind of push back
02:50:22.640against the sophists who were trying to destroy the priesthoods of greece or whether plato was
02:50:27.040kind of playing along with them either way is totally under false pretenses the moment you
02:50:32.320said concoction it wasn't concocted it's the interpretation of events told to us by someone who
02:50:43.680isn't claiming and and so there we agree it's not his intention to say i am the truth and
02:50:51.760the light of aussitrew no he's saying that these events happened and then we hear them and
02:50:58.160And that's beyond like the material there, there is things going on here.
02:51:06.180And then all of the events that subsequently happened thereafter lead to a chain of events.
02:51:11.140So this is the only thing I would leave and I'll be done with it is if we believe this,
02:51:17.900which we do, and we are lying or deceiving or creating some sort of malice or
02:51:27.620if it's just the noble lie but still i don't think you really believe that to be noble
02:51:32.640because of the word concoction if we continue on and we make hofs and we grow and we build and we
02:51:44.340bring glory of the gods to midgard and we are not um somehow punished in the in the way of our life
02:51:54.220this is built on fallacy and we continue on will you consider that to be the truth
02:52:02.700i don't think you will but i often think that people set things up so that
02:52:09.820if they disagree with something and and their their opponent or person that they're targeting
02:52:16.380or trying to weaponize their words at somehow falters they will use it to weaponize it but
02:52:21.660if they don't falter and they do succeed and they do continue on very rarely will they say
02:52:28.380i was wrong it's not built on fallacy i am now a believer as they are so i don't think this is an
02:52:35.740even exchange so well i know where it comes from um the norena society put out a piece on it a while
02:52:43.900ago and i believe that's exactly where the question comes from um but what i find with
02:52:52.300other would-be also true leaders is a lack of belief in divinity and a lack of understanding
02:53:01.260or embracing that this is a field and living faith that it's not a recreation of what our
02:53:09.740ancestors did it is an authentic doing of this faith today
02:53:20.540we really believe that odin spoke to steve mcnallon and tasked him with this mission of
02:53:27.740building house true we really believe that odin and the and the isere approve of the
02:53:34.780the house of true focus in. I really believe with all of my heart that the Aesir have blessed me
02:53:42.720being in the position that I am in and have tasked me with the duty of building and maintaining this
02:53:54.540to the very best of my ability and have given the authority to do so. I understand it's a bold claim,
02:54:01.460But if you're a religious leader and you don't believe that your gods approve of you and your position, then what are you doing?
02:54:37.040And I know that our gods have blessed the Ossetree Folk Assembly.
02:54:40.900I know that they have set Steve McNallan on his course.
02:54:44.180and i know that they have tasked me with the duty of upholding building and maintaining this
02:54:50.680in accordance with their will to the very best of my understanding and that's exactly what we're
02:54:56.020doing if there's any concoction of it it's the very best of my understanding of the will of my seer
02:55:04.340um but it's authentic and it comes from a very authentic place and it absolutely reflects the
02:55:13.860reality as I know it and as I have learned from my, you know, years of friendship and
02:55:23.140personal interaction with Steve McAllen. One of the things as a note on, you know, Steve
02:55:30.200isn't just some guy who really is interacted with by Oden comes, uh, comes from his detractors.
02:55:37.300It was really poignant to me that even the people that hate Steve, the universalists,
02:55:42.560um from years ago that have kind of gone into irrelevancy they would scoff that like well i
02:55:50.140guess odin just works with whoever he needs to to get his you know get his mission accomplished
02:55:54.500and they say it off the cuff but they don't realize the profound importance of that
02:56:00.040even though you hate steve you are acknowledging that the all-father has chosen to work in
02:56:09.600cooperation with a mortal to accomplish aussitrew and that mortal is speaking now that is very
02:56:19.520significant it's meaningful um in the peace by norena society they don't talk about the will
02:56:25.440of the gods they don't talk about their deeply held beliefs about the gods and their will
02:56:33.200it's a book report about runestone articles that steve's written
02:56:39.60010, 15, 20, 30, 40 years ago, and not a real thing about discussions that they've had with the real people who are making these decisions and who've lived the things that they're, you know, reading writings about as if it's some sterile, ancient subject matter.
02:57:00.460I don't think that's very authentic, but I'm happy to talk to anybody about it that has questions or that wants to talk to me about it.
02:57:11.020Vril, how about in Volsung's saga, Odin put a sword in a tree, which was in the family's
02:57:27.340hall? The tree is the family line. What's the sword? Spahn, you were talking about this. Do
02:57:35.360you want to share your thoughts on that? Yeah, no, I just made mention of the word
02:57:40.060vril and virilis and um how it it kind of came about encouraging people to look up the etymology
02:57:46.220of it and how it does go back to a proto-indo-european or ancient arian word for pursuing
02:57:53.180like as in hunting or the i guess the virility of of the masculine in the tribe um and i find
02:57:59.660that very very interesting because my the point i was making was the pursuant um the might to pursue
02:58:09.580and that I feel that the gods in looking in history, again, if I perceive things and believe
02:58:17.880things, apparently it might be a concocted lie. We can't perceive and interpret and believe things
02:58:26.140anymore because it could be concocted. I'm sorry, that was just dubious about the idea of that not
02:58:33.320being honest so as i look at history and i see things and then i interpret and believe the way
02:58:42.360i uh that the gods are working in the world i have seen this in many levels in which there is
02:58:51.740a purposely uh divisive moment a threshold a call to pursuant when lord odin comes into the hall and
02:59:02.620he places the sword into the tree that is not just a tuesday that is a call and they immediately
02:59:11.440stand up and all are trying to pull it out that is a call of spiritual might but it's not the try
02:59:20.200as you might kind of thing it is the totality of knowing where it's going to go so the one who is
02:59:27.260going to pull out the the sword it is already known in in in the the uh great knowledge of
02:59:37.760lord ovin i commend all of those who immediately jumped the tables to to rush across the the dirt
02:59:45.360floor jumping over the fire pit to get to that sword to be the one to pull it out i commend them
02:59:50.620because that is true thrill but it was determined beyond that this is bigger and it is again
02:59:58.180often the way the gods work i think that even for the european folk as we were talking earlier
03:00:06.440about christianity and uh the turning the the folk that had turned against their gods and
03:00:13.820against their fellow kinsmen um you know that these these things are built in order to build
03:00:22.600a threshold that must be returned to that must be uh distilled down into so all of these things
03:00:31.260are the machinations of the gods and i think is really cool that you were you drew the idea of
03:00:38.140The family tree and the sword and this kind of implementation of destiny and this call to heroism and also a double edged sense of both gaining fame and notoriety, but on the other edges, what will be lost?
03:00:58.860so there is much to that in all of that of the mythos that can be interpreted truthfully as how
03:01:07.600the gods do interact in our world and um i think that's i just i think it's really cool that you
03:01:15.240went there with the family line and yes we can look at it in that direction but i think it also
03:01:20.360speaks more to about the way that gods do intercede and give blessing. They are real,
03:01:27.880they are willful, and they do enact. And we must heed those calls when the sword is placed.
03:01:37.300I think that's huge. So from your question specifically, though, the family tree and
03:01:49.180the calling of the Volsungas. I don't know if this would be, the sword would be a moment of
03:01:56.060declaring this kind of ascension to fame, the attainment of the kingdom, but the fame with
03:02:06.320price of loss. It could all, I think it could all be kind of viewed as that, but still the divine
03:02:13.440enactment of placing that blade is very analogous to the way i think the gods work uh both you know
03:02:22.640you could say of the european people in their hall lord othen has placed a sword in the tree
03:02:29.680who shall rise to that call and things like that so you can apply that in many different ways
03:02:35.120you mentioned sung galder in one of your recent streams what are some examples of that i want to
03:02:45.280prostrate myself before the gods this is important so
03:11:49.700that you wanted to say on this so go for it you are muted
03:11:58.900i wonder where this comes from sometimes there is this kind of modern uh take i think it's
03:12:04.740all it's it borders on like defaming the gods but uh it's interesting i think from
03:12:14.260our ancestors perspective there is the duality of this situation for instance the i believe
03:12:24.820there's three oaths that most people focus in on with lord odin and there's another one
03:12:29.940uh a surprise uh proclamation of oath breaking that i'll bring up to kind of send it home but
03:12:37.220the three that they're that they're mainly uh referring to is the oath towards the building of
03:12:43.220the walls uh or the builder and um then there is the oath to uh gunloaf and then there is the oath
03:12:52.020to fenrir so the the first one is under false pretenses in the beginning the oath is made to
03:13:01.620the builder but the builder is already lying to the gods i think that's kind of the point of
03:13:08.820the oath-breaking or well again is it oath-breaking and the the questionability of it is what makes it
03:13:16.260entertaining to our ancestors at the same time if you have the wisdom to see then it becomes clear
03:13:25.460and that is he comes from jotunheim through midgarth up him and bjerker up the heavenly
03:13:32.820mountains into the land of the gods and he says i can build your wall and he is clearly not who he
03:13:41.380presents himself to be so the oath going in on false pretenses gets twisted on him and in essence
03:13:50.500his trickery gets he gets tricked back and that's the point of that balance um
03:13:56.660um the uh of gunlov so the sequence of it ultimately is about the attainment of that
03:14:07.600which came from lord odin and the rest of the gods to begin with which was the blood of kvasir
03:14:17.360Kvasir is the creation of the gods. He is then murdered, transmuted, and then hidden away, and the gods owned Kvasir as their creation.
03:14:32.260So Lord Odin, being the furious one, did everything he needed to do to attain that which was rightfully his to begin with.
03:14:42.280But people don't always see this because there's so many degrees of separation.
03:14:47.360And that, they will point out Gunloth, but kind of not look at the death of the harvesters of wheat in the story as well.
03:15:02.040And that is, again, layering this conceptualization that the wisdom and the storyteller of the gods, the one who has brought the stories of the gods to the folk, he is then taken by earthly powers, the Svartalf, and then removed and taken into Jotunheim.
03:15:22.220And Lordo then stops at nothing to get him and bring him back.
03:15:27.960So there is that kind of notion of, is there an oath being broken when you are attaining that which was already three degrees stolen from you?
03:15:39.300You know, like, do you have to honor the oath of the third thief because the first thief is already dead?
03:15:45.020Like, but they still, they stole it from you.
03:15:48.440And they all throughout the story know that the gods would be upset because this is theirs.
03:15:53.960He is the symbol and the emblem of the peace between the gods of the earth and the gods of the sky.
03:16:02.960Klaasir is that gifting, so they knew that's why they hid it.
03:16:09.840Then lastly, as Alciar Gothi pointed out, the pledging.
03:16:14.060The ultimate sacrifice of the god Lord Tyr to give up his sword hand, and I would argue his sword that is in the mouth of Fenris, which a lot of people do forget about, but Snorty doesn't name it as Tyr's sword, and he doesn't name the sword, but it is just mentioned that the sword is placed in his mouth, and the Lord Tyr feeds him one last time with his hand.
03:16:41.620This is the ultimate form of actually fulfilling the obligation of an oath or a wereguild despite the outcome.
03:16:56.600And I would also argue that it was noted that Fenrir was already in motion of wanting to consume those who had taken him in when he was a pup.
03:17:11.620So he was growing and metastasized beyond the point of being fed by these.
03:17:18.220And so the idea of eating the hand that feeds him has a deeper resonant meaning that would cast, I think, shadow on Fenris as well.
03:17:30.980The last one is some people will say that Thor broke his oath to Alvis.
03:17:35.420that's the that's kind of where i i'm going with the idea that they're it's disparaging the gods
03:17:43.280in this story he says you can marry my daughter if you answer these questions
03:17:49.340he doesn't answer these questions because he gets turned to stone by the sun but not because
03:17:55.940lord thor is evil or mean it's because he knew of alvis's hubris alvis means all wives he knew that
03:18:04.940one people think that lord thor is dumb and he is not he is the deep-minded one he knew that alvis0.51
03:18:11.200would think he's dumb and then he used his hubris against him but yet still people consider that to0.58
03:18:18.100be an oath being broken so when you hear that claim i would implore to well one you ask which
03:18:26.600is great ask around ask for other people's interpretations of these situations because
03:18:31.780if we just simply believe you know somebody wrote an article about oh when you know this god lied
03:18:37.400three times and and so on and so forth but also too these mythical stories show great semblance
03:18:46.100of balance and again if we are talking about contextualizing cosmic forces that gets even
03:18:52.900bigger but here in the material between men and men like physical blooded men and men uh
03:18:58.980society and folk no othing is bad but it also warns you don't go into an oath with false
03:19:06.460pretenses don't go into an oath with the stack already in your favor and then be mad when they
03:19:16.400switch it to make it in their favor you came into the oath stacking it and then get mad when they
03:19:24.960figure out a way to stack it back and you're doing the same that's the message of the othing in those
03:19:32.120stories so for matt how did your years of bouncing prepare you for your current role so
03:19:43.660bouncing is awesome because I can talk about cool stories of battling Samoans and getting in fights
03:19:56.320and whooping up on people and whatever else. But all of that is, I don't know, all that's fun and1.00
03:20:03.940whatever, but the real things about it that prepared me a lot. I went from somebody who was
03:20:12.800lame and who I didn't participate in life. And I resolved that I was going to, I was going to
03:20:22.500quickly level up my ability to participate in life. And I started going to the gym and I started
03:20:32.020training and i was going to bounce i had an illness i had some stuff go on and i couldn't
03:20:37.380do that for a few years and as soon as i got back on my feet i'm like you know what i'm gonna do
03:20:41.140this i'm gonna find the roughest club in town i'm gonna bounce there and school of hard knocks i'm
03:20:47.860gonna get it figured out i've never been in a fight when i was a loser you know high school
03:20:52.500or whatever else didn't have a lot of friends i didn't participate in stuff i was an observer of
03:20:57.220life rather than a participant and i was going to fix that so you know any of those awesome fights
03:21:06.580and cool things it's because i had a team of 13 men around me that were able to help me show me
03:21:15.380the ropes i was able to learn things very quickly with those guys helping me out and
03:21:23.620And it wasn't about, you know, fights.
03:21:27.580It was about I was able to develop self-confidence and develop the ability to deal with all kind of different people going through all kinds of different things.
03:21:38.180Some of the most meaningful bouncing experiences I ever had were helping people who were scared or distressed or having a rough time to have a better night, to avoid a bad situation, to get out of a dangerous situation, to avoid having to go to jail or to avoid having to get in trouble by being able to talk them through things.
03:22:04.520I was able to deal with all kind of different people.
03:22:08.560The place I bounced at, world-famous Chilkoot Charlie's in Anchorage, Alaska had allegedly 10 bars in it.
03:22:18.720They had a lot of little stations that were very rarely open.
03:22:21.960They'd count those, but it had several different bars inside.
03:22:27.580And because Anchorage is kind of a crossroads to anything in Asia or the Pacific, but it also is adjacent to Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, it had Blacks, it had what few Hispanics in Anchorage we had.
03:22:47.560It had Koreans. It had, you know, Hawaiians and Samoans and Tongans. It had, you know, Alaska Natives. It had, you know, of course, it had white people. It had military folks. It had people from a lot of different walks of life.
03:23:07.560I was able to learn how to interact with people with radically different life experiences
03:23:14.660in stressful and chaotic circumstances. I was able to be comfortable in chaos as best I could.
03:23:24.520It exposed me to a lot of things to where I was able to just advance maturity in dealing with
03:23:33.240people i was able to deal with people who were very mentally ill there were a lot of homeless
03:23:39.000that we would end up dealing with there there were people who had various mental illness
03:23:44.200there were certainly people on all manner of drugs and people who were very drunk and people
03:23:50.200who were angry people who were going through a rough time in their life and people who were in
03:23:55.480gangs and people who were in biker gangs and people who were veterans dealing with things
03:24:03.840and college kids and everything in between and i was able to help people i was in a spot that i was
03:24:12.900able to make sure that vulnerable women or people in who were scared or in a bad spot got in a cab
03:24:20.180got a safe ride home i was able to uh protect people when other people got violent i was able to
03:24:29.700talk down people who were going through a mental health crisis and i was able to do all that with
03:24:36.020a team of other men that were relying on me and that i was relying on and i learned a lot
03:24:42.980the biggest thing that i think helped me in dealing with the afa is i got to deal with
03:24:48.740people who were in crisis and i got to find comfort and learn how to talk to people when
03:24:55.700they were going through something that was scary or out of my comfort zone or something that i've
03:25:02.500never experienced i was able to learn how to be calm when talking to them and make them feel like
03:25:11.140their life was better by talking to me when they were going through a crisis rather than worse
03:25:16.260You know, I could help smooth it over and make sure they had a good night as opposed to letting bad things happen to them or, you know, whatever else.
03:25:28.360And it helped me a lot with counseling when I'm dealing with people that have different life experience or maybe, you know, again, whatever that might look like, be it veterans, be it people with an alcohol problem, be it with people going through a psychotic episode.
03:25:43.420I've encountered all of those things being a go-through and I'm able to
03:25:48.940help them work through different things because of my bouncing experience and because of
03:25:56.280the lessons that I learned there. I'm so grateful I had that opportunity. It's
03:26:00.480a really special thing and I'm very fortunate that I had that in my life, but
03:26:05.500I think those are the ways that it helped. Could I speak on one thing about all of that too?
03:26:11.940because i i think it's pertinent to of course you can well you know uh what you're speaking of
03:26:20.340is a transformation and a threshold in which you have experienced in your life that has importance
03:26:28.340um mine was the military and for everyone everywhere every man goes through this
03:26:35.620transformative stage where he has to encounter uh situations where he ends up finding his true
03:26:42.660self and what he can become and um i was watching some he's a content creator i think his name is
03:26:51.300the great dane he was talking about a store shop owner standing in front of his shop and there's
03:26:59.140this uh picture of a dragon ball z character and he says you know despite everybody kind of laughing
03:27:05.860and joking this guy stood up at the one moment where he kind of embodies a hero and becomes
03:27:13.140who he knows he can become in the moment when he's got foreigners tearing and and invaders
03:27:19.220ripping down his shop and he stands and says no i'm not gonna run i'm not gonna hide i'm gonna be
03:27:24.260there and so your those transformations that you felt are that but also molded over again being in
03:27:33.140long periods of time instead of even just one incremental moment and you'll find people will
03:27:40.100try to classify these transformations as being legitimate or not i guess like kind of like that
03:27:47.140previous question is that you know it's it's not legitimate but it no it's the it has no relevance
03:27:54.660on the the person who's living in the basement saying it's illegitimate or not it is 100
03:28:01.780legitimate through every moment that shaped you to be who you are
03:28:06.900and it happens for all of us in very different ways whether it's again uh like you said working
03:28:16.020in a in a being a bouncer or uh being a fireman or um uh caretaking for so you know you end up
03:28:25.620finding yourself in these moments of passing through that threshold and becoming a person
03:28:31.460you weren't when you entered and that formulates you and makes you who you are and that is i think
03:28:39.220truly truly important and anybody that says that somehow that's illegitimate is
03:28:48.900deeply flawed in their own uh nature but yeah all right so i'm white and 26. i have a dream
03:29:00.020of moving to maine or new hampshire i'd like to build a strong house out of high quality materials
03:29:07.220so it lasts hundreds of years, find a wife, have kids, and pass on the house and the land to my
03:29:14.040kids. I've also always been a decent artist, so I think I'd like to carve slash sculpt a statue
03:29:22.460for one of the gods, and also have that last for hundreds of years, and complete offerings.
03:29:30.400Do you think that would be honorable or cringe, or is it just a pipe dream? And I believe this is
03:29:36.040the one who asked us about um you know being worthy to the gods um whether cringe or not
03:29:44.680depends on your artistic ability um honestly on uh on the statue but no those are beautiful
03:29:51.640dreams i think that's awesome we'd love to see you achieve that um i mean statues of the gods
03:30:00.760are really powerful and really cool things we'd love to have some large size statues of the gods
03:30:06.600existing um but even smaller ones uh for altars uh one of our members made a beautiful statue
03:30:14.200of lord frere for phrasehoff um you know about
03:30:20.760i don't know what two and a half three foot high something like that and it's excellent
03:30:26.680so i think that's a great thing for you to want to do um we have a thriving community right now
03:30:35.320in new hampshire if that's something you want to do get to new hampshire um folk builder ron
03:30:41.560bordman is there building amazing things he's a fantastic guy um and yeah get up to new hampshire
03:30:51.240do that i think that would be a great thing and i would really encourage you in that swan what
03:30:56.360what say you i think that's awesome the epicness of it the hundred years stating that and i think
03:31:03.160that uh to lend to some of the wisdom you've spoken about before is that that epicness is
03:31:09.960awesome and so you should be concerned with the way people perceive you but don't worry about
03:31:16.920if they think it's cringe or not instead worry about completing it making it happen doing it
03:31:24.440and then it doesn't the people that think it's cringe they don't matter you did it uh and and
03:31:32.040that's the key so that epic nature and that desire of heroism that desire to be seen as an accomplisher
03:31:41.560of an epic uh desire and proclamation in the horizon is huge and i think all of that involves
03:31:50.760you again going joining the the there's a community in new hampshire there are people there
03:31:57.480and you can do all of these things i believe that you can do it and that would be if a hundred years
03:32:04.280from now somebody can snippet that question and be like see this statue this was talked about
03:32:12.600and you know what that would put you in the highest leagues that's the kind of heroism i
03:32:20.120think that god's noticed that's the kind of things we need in people but the biggest point is to if
03:32:27.160you set your mind to it don't worry about the cringe but do it join the community join the afa
03:32:33.880go out there and i believe that the gods once you declutter that um any interference between
03:32:40.520you and the gods the wake that they carry you in will lead you down the path and who knows
03:32:45.400that might be a family a home but it all starts with you just kind of setting your eyes to the
03:32:52.680horizon and it sounds really cool sounds like you've done it or you're there to do big things
03:32:57.720I mean, more people willing to try big things.
03:33:01.720No, but absolutely, you should go for it.
03:33:04.720And now, three and a half hours in, I will read for you,
03:33:10.720Solar Kinninger, Kinning's for the sun.
03:35:20.140To the blind man I proffer this blessing,
03:35:24.460Winsfowler's son, thus sang Ausgriner,
03:35:30.060the warlike spoil bestower, lavish of wealth,
03:35:34.960that winter snakes woe in Thrawnheim's tarry the folk knew thy true action
03:35:46.320summer summer kenning good kennings for summer how should one paraphrase summer thus call it
03:35:54.480Son of Svausul, and comfort of serpents, and growth of men, even as Aeol Scalagramson sang.
03:36:05.180We shall wave our swords, or dire, of wolf's teeth, and make them glitter.0.68
03:36:11.480A deed we have for wrecking in the comfort of dale serpents.
03:36:24.480all right then we're going to finish out this page
03:36:35.300man kenninger och kwen kenninger kennings for man and for woman
03:36:45.900how should man be paraphrased by his works by that which he gives or receives or does
03:36:53.720He may also be paraphrased in terms of his property, those things which he possesses, and if he be liberal of his liberality, likewise in terms of the families from which he descended, as well as those of which have sprung from him.
03:37:13.480How is one to paraphrase him in terms of these things? Thus, by calling him accomplisher or performer of his goings and his conduct, of his battles, or sea voyages, or huntings, or weapons, or ships.
03:37:29.800And because he is a tester of weapons and a winner of battles, the words for winner and would being the same, as are also those for tester and rowing.
03:37:42.740Therefore, these phrases skulls have called men, or man, ash, or maple, grove, or other
03:37:51.240masculine tree names, and have paraphrased him in such expressions in terms of battles