00:03:17.060So, I'm waiting a little bit for my co-host for the evening to get situated and get on the call.
00:03:23.800But in the meantime, I can kind of run down the top of the show news and things.
00:03:29.540So, as I am reminded by the chat, if you are seeing this, like, share, subscribe, tell your friends, tell your family, tell anybody who might need to or want to hear this or participate.
00:14:29.580And that's why we celebrate, you know, and we see that with our heroes very specifically, our Anglo-Saxon kings that we celebrate, because they're some of the few exceptions that went back and reestablished that trough after, you know, it had been broken by their immediate predecessors.
00:14:53.380And that's a very rare and unique thing.
00:14:57.300And it's one of the reasons that they stand out as heroes.
00:14:59.400So before we get going into the meat and taters, we've got a couple of questions that I think are just worth getting away up front.
00:15:06.060And the first is by a five-year-old from Sweden.
00:15:14.160and she wants to know um ida carolina wants to know uh what is the significance of the mushrooms
00:15:28.900in the phrase hoff mural and you happen to have the man who painted that mural right here with
00:15:34.660you today so it's fine explain ida uh it's really nice for you to ask the question and i'm going to
00:15:42.200be really honest with you. When I painted the picture in the bottom, there wasn't anything
00:15:49.780going on. It was just, I had three days and I was trying to focus on the corpus of Holy
00:15:58.860Frey and for the body. And so at the end, the giver of the Hoth said, the bottom looks
00:16:09.600terrible put something down there and so I like to draw like the the flowers the mushrooms all of
00:16:19.240those things I had the scabbard down there empty and it it is a very stark color there but there
00:16:25.640was nothing else there and I didn't know what to do so I made what was kind of a gardenia bush
00:16:31.240and I she said I want to put I want you to put mushrooms in there she didn't specify which ones
00:16:38.720So I, of course, put fly agaric or aminata muscara, which was used all throughout Europe to get rid of bugs and also for medicinal purposes and spiritual purposes.
00:16:53.940But the major reason is, is to put a splash of color down there to make it look cool.
00:17:01.040so though we recognize um though we we recognize legal prohibitions against use of fungus for
00:17:11.200spiritual purposes and we would not encourage anybody to violate the laws of the nation or
00:17:16.800municipality that they live in a little bit more to it because i i'm a follow-up with a question
00:17:23.040how come the same mushroom is pictured in the odin mural and also balder's mural
00:17:31.040You need to fill some space at the bottom.
00:17:37.040Now you're making some connective. For anybody who doesn't know, I am extremely fascinated
00:17:46.040with the usage of herbs. The herb charm of Norninot that we use is my herb charm. I'm
00:17:57.040i'm fascinated with the usage of low land warm warm climate psilocybin mushrooms and uh the mountainous
00:18:07.200um uh animata mascara um and i was a i actually went to school for horticulture during my
00:18:15.600landscaping stint in my life and uh was extremely fascinated with ethnobotany so it's just me
00:18:23.920putting in splashes of color, but I think so uniquely the Aminata muskara mushroom is deeply
00:18:31.500tied to specifically the Slavic, Gallic, and Germanic Aryans. I do not believe Soma is Aminata
00:18:43.100muskara. I actually believe it's a plant, but that's a whole other subject. But yes, it's because
00:18:50.880it just immediately brings magic whenever anyone sees the mushroom there is an immediate
00:18:59.440transference into the world of mythos there is the unknowing the mystery the bright color
00:19:06.640the vitality it it's whimsical but serious at the same time it's just something that's the real
00:19:14.720reason why i did it i didn't do it honestly honestly the bright red with the uh you know
00:19:22.480the dotted with the white on it really pops it makes it a really dramatic element to have
00:19:28.720in uh compositions like it really pops um we got a couple of other questions and i think
00:19:36.320that because while we're on a roll we'll get those we're going to read the material unlike
00:19:39.680the past couple of weeks or a couple of spawn episodes we only have one piece that we're
00:19:45.360covering tonight it's a little bit longer but not oppressively so um so we do have we can answer
00:19:51.360some of these up front while the people who asked them are still here and engaged uh the next two
00:19:56.480are kind of the same so red shirts and black ties looks great conspired and what's with the red so
00:20:06.320first caveat this is green but it's super dark and it's like it's darker than it was when i
00:20:15.440thought when i ordered it but it is it is green and uh i'm wearing red and green because it's
00:20:21.120almost yule time and i've got one episode with you during yule this year because brandy's doing the
00:20:26.800one on 12th night so the next episode i do i will as custom determines i will wear my
00:20:34.880my like swole santa uh sweater yeah so i figured this is my closest one to people celebrating yule
00:20:42.400this weekend and i'll wear some festive red and green uh there was no there was no conspiracy
00:20:47.840involved yes fun is there a reason that you chose to wear red this evening this is what i wore to
00:20:52.400work today when i get on the podcast i am wearing what i wear to work um i am a barber i'm my own
00:21:01.280boss so nobody tells me to dress this way just wanted to and it happened to be that the red shirt
00:21:07.120was closest you can hear it in my voice i've been ill for the last week
00:21:10.800so um i've been kind of throwing my trying to catch up at work and get my clients ready for
00:21:16.560the yuletide holidays and it was completely not planned that's i didn't even until i saw the the
00:21:24.320question i i it didn't quite hit because on my screen your shirt is very bright red
00:21:31.520it is very bright red in in my house as well um yeah it is that's like fire engine red um
00:21:44.240our next okay so the follow-up so spawn being a a son of iceland wanted to cut some slack to uh
00:21:54.320to some some cowardly uh cowardly representatives at the 1000 all thing and i wanted to condemn said
00:22:02.500cowardice and it uh brought some question up uh so question goes like this some surely publicly
00:22:11.160renounce the gods to stay alive while maintaining their worship of them and passing it down to the
00:22:16.580next generation. Any leeway for them, you think? So I've got much to say, but Swan, go ahead and
00:22:26.600take the first swing at that. Yeah, I'm in agreeance. I believe that, and I've always kind
00:22:34.220of made points that Christianity did not spread by the grace of their rabbi or the church or just
00:22:41.520because everyone thought it was the bees knees no it was ursory it was manipulation it was political
00:22:49.200uh backlogging it was if you want to make allegiances with my kingdom you're going to marry
00:22:53.360my daughter but you have to become a christian you have to get baptized and again our ancestors
00:22:59.120had a very loose base of what troth to the gods meant i think that they had a very unsemitic view
00:23:37.400So I think that Christianity spreading was very political and we see the shining exemptions of folk that were like, no, no, no, this isn't just some sort of political affiliation with with the divine.
00:23:54.620these are the gods of my people and i think that that was very much a reaction to how christianity
00:24:01.620which had been doing that all the way back since it injected itself into crete and into greece
00:24:07.500and um all the way back to justinian the apostate he actually reconverted back to hellenistic
00:24:14.560paganism julian uh julian excuse me um uh you know he was known for uh larping and i say this
00:24:23.760in a good way though he he he was very very high esteemed at looking at the philosophers of greece
00:24:31.520so he had an unkempt beard he wore um simple togas and things to kind in like reference to them um0.55
00:24:38.320But the Christians were just being particularly, well, at the time, and they were trying to defund all the other religions and wanted Constantinople to only be paying them, etc.
00:24:55.080And it's pretty much had been that way ever since.0.94
00:24:58.540They're just very, very aggressive.1.00
00:25:05.400That it's like hypersensitive Zoroastrian dualism that they were, they just took it to another level and they were very, very good at it through the Roman ages.0.97
00:25:16.940Just like warfare for the Norsemen coming up through the migration period, they learned so many tactics from the Romans that the Norsemen had good hit and run tactics, good weapons, good steel as people were re-migrating back into the north.0.98
00:25:32.280it was christianity was forged in a crucible of politics and uh they were really really good at
00:25:39.720it and the common folk i think were so distant from the cities they were so distant from the
00:25:46.020influence especially in norway and in sweden that they were just like oh okay that's like something
00:25:51.560the king is doing and they were able to for some generations avoid it but somewhere along the way
00:25:59.700Like Leif Erikson with Eric the Red. Leif Erikson is that generation. You can point it out. You can see him. He converted his mother, which pissed off Eric the Red to no end because they were having a frosty marriage as it was.
00:26:14.500and uh but he loved his wife and she had wanted him to build a little uh chapel and so he threw0.89
00:26:20.880his axe over the berm um and he said where that axe lands I'll put that little uh house to your
00:26:28.400god and uh he was just notoriously like not happy and he moved to Greenland eventually so
00:26:35.460um yeah i just don't think it's a clean cut i think okay so here's
00:26:42.780i realize that it is much well okay two things first because i want to just put a cap on the
00:26:57.360Iceland thing. They weren't under any pressure of anything. There was no, you know, inquisitors
00:27:04.420or crusader army at the door, or they had no pressure. Well, okay. They had no threat of
00:27:12.520violence. They had no direct threat of boycott. They had no actual pressure. It was becoming
00:27:20.660not cool in the community of european nations for you to not be christian and so they voted
00:27:29.540with democracy which kills a lot of really good things to officially sever their ties as a nation
00:27:38.680with our gods there was nobody with sword in hand there was nobody threatening them
00:27:44.060they are cowards that chose something that was politically expedient and probably economically0.73
00:27:51.120advantageous no slack for that man i'm just i'm getting attacked well you build that time machine0.97
00:28:01.680go talk some sense into great great great grandpappy on that um the mushroom ring and i can
00:28:08.160go through and tell you there you go but here's but here's the thing with other people
00:28:16.320i understand that saying i'll be loyal unto death to the gods is a very very easy thing to say
00:28:26.800is a much much harder thing to live um and i think that it's
00:28:34.640It's aspirational, and I think we all should be so resolved and make such a declaration,
00:28:43.340but I think we know that there's a certain degree of folly to that until that's been put to the test.
00:28:51.500Those of our heroes that we know their names who were put to that test and who stayed loyal to the
00:28:58.080seer we remember eternally and we celebrate them yearly with days of remembrance because we
00:29:04.340appreciate their loyalty and courage and conviction to stand by that so you know if1.00
00:29:15.120you have some crusader army gonna kill your children or rape your wife or kill you unless0.99
00:29:23.080you say you convert i get that i get doing that as a temporary measure and then you know trying1.00
00:29:31.880to escape the oppression and then go back to your faith but once we start admitting that that's okay
00:29:40.440then everything else becomes okay and every time it's inconvenient you just disavow and you can
00:29:45.720pick it up again later and and i've watched that i've watched i watch that in modern times a lot
00:29:52.440There's people that will step away from their faith because they're scared of their family reacting.
00:30:01.560They're scared of work reacting in a way, or they're worried about losing a career.
00:30:06.380Maybe they're worried about somebody calling them a name, or they're worried about their parents looking at them funny,
00:30:12.080or they're worried about their wife getting mad at them, or they're worried about any number of things.
00:30:19.680Once we say it's okay, you know, it's okay under the most extreme circumstances to disavow the gods, then you watch that bar slip steadily until it just doesn't matter and it's not a thing anymore and I'm not willing to do that.
00:30:34.860um so i don't cut that leeway but i can't tell you you know our gods are much better than me
00:30:44.000and there may be circumstances and it matters how you end the race a lot more than stuff that goes
00:30:51.600on in between so you know if you've got this super secret 4d chest plan that our ancestor had
00:30:58.620i'll disavow but then i'll go over here and i'll raise an army to reconquer and then we'll
00:31:04.180okay but we don't see that a lot what we see a lot is people that straight up go conform do what's
00:31:13.800popular get the reward and sell out the gods that's what we saw a lot now in different places
00:31:20.860the threat was a lot more visceral and a lot more real other places it was just avarice it was
00:31:26.700people wanting to make money and wanting to have political alliance with you know the big boys and
00:31:34.160the Carolingian Europe or in the Mediterranean or whoever. But the other thing is you have this
00:31:41.380theory that you kind of posit that they're secretly passing it down. And that's this legend that
00:31:47.320everybody's got this secret hidden paganism they're passing down. I think that there were
00:31:52.980probably, and I would love to find out, there were probably absolutely some instances where there was
00:31:58.860an actual plan to go underground and maintain some kind of underground link to the old religion
00:32:08.360i don't know for sure of any of that but i hope that some of that happened and i always look for
00:32:16.480that and i want to find that and i think that there's little hints of that in stories or in
00:32:26.840you know in some stuff and i was actually talking to uh folk builder chris savage earlier today
00:32:32.840about you know some of two of our heroes who were practicing alsatru in in the 1400s
00:32:40.360so something made it down to them for them to have some
00:32:43.560ability to connect with our gods in some some special way um
00:32:48.520But yeah, I think that happens less often than we'd think.
00:32:55.060And Svahn made a good point about a lot of our ancestors at this time's level of commitment to the gods.
00:33:10.860A side note, and this isn't to denigrate everyone who lived in the Viking Age.
00:33:16.140it happens to be at the point at which our people had literacy and wrote down the tales of their
00:33:22.820gods but it's not the golden age of the practice of ausitry the practice of our faith goes back
00:33:29.520as long as our people have existed and i have every hope and reason to think that it was much
00:33:36.760more evolved and in a much higher state of cohesion at earlier times and under different
00:33:45.680economic and climate circumstances than the viking age found a lot of our ancestors
00:33:51.740the trouble is where we see the material culture of the very tail end the dying gasps of that
00:34:01.140original practice of ausitru a lot of the people are just carrying on a cultural tradition and
00:34:07.440they're not devout ausitru are some are but it's like in this day and age every gangster rapper's
00:34:14.360got a, you know, a bedazzled Jesus piece and a big old crucifix and whatever. And they may even
00:34:20.820quote a scripture in their, you know, gangster rap album. It doesn't make them, you know,
00:34:28.680definitive examples of faithful Christians, but it does echo older traditions. And I think
00:34:35.940sometimes with some of the more politically advantageous people at this time, you have that,
00:34:40.960You have people that are culturally also true, but are not people of deep faith or deep commitment.
00:34:46.740And I think you see that a lot of different times.
00:34:49.480But so that's a kind of kind of case in point.
00:52:52.220I mean, I'm not going to get mad at you.
00:52:57.740Okay, so this is a – I don't know why we are injecting this at this stage in our reading,
00:53:05.420but that's how we do here on Victor Never Sleeps.
00:53:10.720So I was talking, and this also spawned from a conversation at the dedication.
00:53:18.480there are a lot of there are a lot of right ways to do things the wrong way to do things0.99
00:53:27.140is either intentionally doing something bad or it's just being willfully stupid0.80
00:53:34.520intention is so critical to everything we do and i would extend that to all aspects of life0.99
00:53:41.320i mean obviously there's time where you're just screwing around or you know something completely
00:53:46.940simple. But when we do something, especially in terms of our faith, intention means everything.
00:53:55.700Now people can express the same intention in a variety of ways. The thing is, when asked,
00:54:04.740hey, you're doing this different, why are you doing that? You should have an answer.
00:54:10.900And you might go about something really different. And that's, that's kind of a
00:54:14.880thing that we see on on Victory Never Sleeps. Svan and I will come at a question or at a passage
00:54:22.320or at something sometimes from very different angles. But we usually wind up either in the
00:54:29.560same place or in a very complimentary place. Room work or anything else. Sometimes if you know
00:54:40.680If Svon and I were to both do a rune poll about a specific subject, we may pull different runes, but our efficacy is on how close our independent answers would come to matching in a correct way.
00:54:59.940and you can get there from a lot of different avenues when you're doing something ritually
00:55:05.080there's a lot of right ways to do it outside of just obviously not trying the wrong way to do
00:55:11.960something is just because just because why not you should have a reason why you're doing it
00:55:19.360you should have a reason why you're saying the things you're saying i like to say lord fray
00:55:24.240because i put lord as an honorific title in front of our deities as a way of showing respect i
00:55:31.760realize that like if somebody asks hey you know what pray means well yes i do because i'm not
00:55:41.360dumb and i think about the things so thinking about stuff matters as long as you're doing it
00:55:46.160on purpose that's one thing but don't accidentally do it and it merges into a0.97
00:55:52.000Matt bouncing anecdote, told the guys that I would bounce with. I don't mind if you get us
00:56:02.920into a fight. I do mind if you accidentally stumble into a fight that I have to pull you out
00:56:09.240of. If you want to go pick a fight, cool. I got your back. I'm game. Let's go. But don't stumble
00:56:16.360into one you don't see coming because you're not aware of your surroundings or the effects of what
00:56:21.360you do if you're doing it on purpose okay then i i get it but don't don't make it something on
00:56:28.880accident so there you go back to the story
00:56:40.720okay so um she attends to the needs of all the guests
00:56:49.140Then Hogmi they asked, if more eager he were.
00:56:52.800Full clear was the guile, if on guard they had been.
00:56:57.820Then Gunnar made promise, if Hogmi would go, and Hogmi made answer, as the other counseled.
00:57:06.020Then the famed ones brought mead, and fair was the feast.
00:57:11.340Full many were their horns, till the men had drunk deep.
00:57:15.840then the mates were made ready and their beds for resting so everyone feasts and then the bed
00:57:25.700chambers which were generally long closeted sliding door separation or partitions
01:15:02.020But they may have crossed occasionally via the ice.
01:15:06.060But here he says it, the dream of a white bear,
01:15:10.740even though the translation is ice bear um means a gale or a storm from the east
01:15:19.060and um it could very well likely just be the the fact that with where the greenlanders settled
01:15:25.700which was on the southern tip and southwest of greenland or the southwestern side of greenland
01:15:31.540uh the capital nook is in the southwest um that uh with eastern winds coming off the mountains
01:15:39.780the snow and probably the low visibility is something that the predatory polar bears utilize
01:15:47.060to their advantage so when it came off the mountain you had to be extra well frosty
01:15:53.900so that you didn't get got by a big giant white bear that's just while you were doing it i was
01:16:00.500looking up you know it's if you have polar bear in norway it's at island chains that are technically
01:16:11.060owned by norway but that are significantly off the coast i mean our people could have
01:16:17.940in far northern portions of russia you know there's there's spots but they are you know
01:16:26.180there's healthy population in and around greenland and that's an interesting
01:16:30.660their familiarity with the polar bear is going to be much much more
01:16:37.300um if they hadn't seen them i can only imagine folks that hadn't encountered that encountering
01:16:43.940that in greenland it's terrifying spectacle to behold yeah and you know you you think about um
01:16:51.220um Bjarki and during um uh Hrolf Kraki's saga and the mention of him in his Filchia is a bear
01:17:02.280it's a brown bear most likely um and uh then you have maybe some people in the great great north
01:17:10.860and in Finland assuredly there's bear they still eat bear there on my trip over to Japan we stopped
01:17:18.080off in finland and there was a whole thing about them being bear eaters um but a lot of the folks
01:17:26.560that moved to iceland were from southern norway and southern sweden and uh the islands in between
01:17:34.560so probably and not a lot going on there so you have these generations settling in iceland
01:17:41.840and then a two or three later they go to greenland and it's like wow there's nothing
01:17:47.520here and of course leave erickson who i'm not a fan of said you know he's gonna lie and say it's
01:17:52.960beautiful and green and try to convince people to come over there and uh i can just imagine them
01:17:57.680running into polar bears but you know with i think with spears and um their their the steel
01:18:06.640with with iron and weapons they um probably faced off with these behemoths
01:18:12.640but yeah still unbelievable couldn't imagine it you go from like a black bear brown bear to
01:18:20.980the polar bear well and the behavior is so different so again silly segue or whatever
01:18:27.760but growing up in alaska it was something i was aware of and again i was in southern alaska they
01:18:31.720weren't like polar bears where i was at a lot i did go up to uh to gnome and i was north of the
01:18:37.820arctic circle a couple of times but they're they're predatory you don't stumble on one you
01:18:45.940don't hunt one you don't accidentally encounter one and then you guys kind of figure it out
01:18:52.400they're hunting you they're actively hunting you and they get I get like 10 feet tall they just
01:18:59.760get massive and huge and they're intent on just eating any meat they find including and especially
01:19:10.660people i remember i remember the gym one time this guy was trying to recruit me to go up to
01:19:16.680north slope and be a polar bear sniper like that's a job they have at the oil fields up there
01:19:23.080is for guys to post up and like telescope watch to see if there's polar bear approaching where
01:19:30.900guys are working up there because they will predate on that's a that's a good source of of meat
01:19:36.460thank you um my wife has prepared for me some deviled eggs and i'm excited uh but yeah so
01:19:49.820So back to our story, and it's a good and interesting time that we segwayed into, you know, as our folk go to different places, you encounter, you know what, I'm going to harp on that a little bit more too, because I think it's important.
01:20:07.620There is an important connection, and we hear this, we hear about the connection between blood and soil a lot.
01:20:17.320I think specifically a hyper emphasis on that comes in the early 20th century nationalism, but the idea of being connected to the land and the spirits of the land has always been with our folk.
01:20:37.240But I think what's important to remember is it is simultaneously stagnant and dynamic.
01:20:45.500Yes, it remains in a place and the people that hunker down and spend the rest of their existence in a particular valley or in a particular area can nurture that in that place in a really special way.
01:20:59.100But it's something that our folk have always been very adept at adapting and building anew when they find themselves in new and distant lands.
01:21:13.040Most of the area that we think of as sacred land of our folk is not indigenous to our folk.
01:21:22.060It was a place that our folk migrated to and settled and spent, you know, sometimes they settled there for thousands of years, sometimes for hundreds of years, sometimes for decades, sometimes less.
01:21:35.020Every sacred site you find that is sacred through venerable centuries of worship there, every one of those had a year one where this is brand new and they're just setting it up.
01:21:52.060So there's absolutely a connection between blood and soil that way.
01:21:56.580But you can build and foster that wherever our people find ourselves.
01:22:01.840Our people, we are, it is very easy to see things in a binary that there's this or there's that.
01:22:11.180Our people are very good at both on a lot of things.
01:22:14.380we're good at hunkering down and building centuries of
01:22:20.620establishment in one area but we are markedly good at conquering new lands at exploring
01:22:30.660new frontiers and new boundaries and building sacred space and you know that blood soil
01:22:38.320connection in different places and in different lands and i think that's one of the things we run
01:22:44.240into the beauty of both of those things when we talk to europeans i know we have some swedes
01:22:51.040listening tonight and that's kind of an interesting contrast between americans who've
01:22:59.040you know our people have been here and it all depends on the american but some of us have had
01:23:05.600people here founding stock of the united states myself but there's other people whose families
01:23:10.640haven't been here that long but to have the you know the folks that have explored or conquered and
01:23:15.440gone out to different parts of the world then interacting with those whose ancestors you know
01:23:20.720stayed and fortified and built the things there in that location it's it's an interesting thing
01:23:25.920and i think it affects you know our outlooks on stuff a little bit it's important to not to
01:25:24.300or perhaps his intention and there may be this may show some variation we know that filgia is
01:25:30.100feminine and hamlet is a masculine word and so that perhaps this is again a symbolic representation
01:25:36.800of his mass and nations not necessarily his spirit and that his spirit may be the bear or
01:25:44.400that they both represent his conspiratorial ambushing but um it's just interesting to
01:25:52.680think about and look at. But it is clearly a literary or poetic plot device to say that when
01:26:00.140you have a dream and you see an animal and there's, you know, some gnarly stuff happening, this may
01:26:05.740very well be the spirit or the shape of the soul of someone. And they are sprinkled with blood
01:26:13.660from the flying of the eagle into the house. Hogni speaks.
01:26:22.680They will slaughter soon, and so blood do we see. Often oxen it means, when the eagles one dreams. True is Atli's heart, whatever thou dreamest. Then silent they were, and not further they said.
01:26:40.160so they don't really come to any uh conclusion i think this last part uh is really referencing
01:26:47.660to hogney saying no he's he's banking on at least good intentions uh that there's there
01:26:54.540really is no reason to further on this feud and uh they are thoroughly under his banner
01:27:00.500um but we obviously know different especially with all the other stories already that we have
01:27:08.920covered, but I digress. So, and there are, I'm now, I'm now noticing for a lot of folks who
01:27:18.020don't know this, uh, there's not a huge amount of prep work that we do. We, we, we roll into this
01:27:23.000just as much with everyone else. And, um, there is a lot missing from this poem. So the,
01:27:29.240there's gaps there's no uh there's gaps literally in in the the works as far as
01:27:37.800concept and meaning but not physically in the poems themselves it was almost as if the person
01:27:45.020writing the poem either didn't know or it was tangibly a mistake and i think that happened
01:27:53.640quite often through some of our um uh the adas uh and that there were some mix-ups sometimes
01:28:00.840so gotta be kind of you know mindful of that
01:28:05.260then the highborn ones wakened and like speech they had then did glaumvor tell how in terror
01:28:16.520she dreamed so now glaumvor is having terrible dreams um and then there's a break and a mention
01:28:26.200of gunner and two roads they should go now that's really choppy but in essence i i i'm surmising
01:28:33.720just by the observation is that the the dream is interpreted that they they have a fork in the road
01:28:40.040in which they either go forth or they do not.
01:28:43.420And if they go forth, doom is to meet them.
01:28:47.940Then she says, a gallows saw I made ready.
01:30:55.180A sword drawn bloody from thy garments I saw.
01:30:59.580such a dream is hard to a husband to tell a spear stood me thought through thy body thrust
01:31:07.500and at the head and feet the wolves were howling so again the symbology of the wolf the bearer of
01:31:17.500death uh of hunger of the the machinations and of of intrigue and ultimately um conspiracy
01:31:27.420uh baying at his death waiting for the flesh as he is impaled with a spear
01:31:34.320um and then gunner speaks the hounds are running loud their barking is heard
01:31:41.380often hounds clamor follows the flying of spears so
01:31:48.720he's chalking this up to the inevitability it doesn't matter what my fate is you're having
01:31:57.400a dream the dream is scary but at the end of the day i'm not going to avert my way from what i
01:32:04.920intend to do um i do find it very very uh cool that the you know he says the hound's clamor
01:32:13.160follows the flying of spears and my you know immediate thought is wow you know we never think
01:32:19.960about that what if there was the usage of war dogs in combat or at least by that time it was an
01:32:26.460understood concept and you know both sides having dogs you know after throwing spears at the
01:32:34.660opposing side letting uh dogs go in to just kind of break the line um i find that very interesting
01:32:43.500if that's the case a lot of people will say i see them on tiktok and i see them on instagram and
01:32:50.460they'll say oh you know the vikings didn't do this or the vikings didn't do that and they're
01:32:55.900going off of the absence of mention, but again, we see poetics are so tightly
01:33:02.860choreoed into a very, very tight space. It's a choke point of you're only getting
01:33:13.740the very visceral things of poetry. Again, people would think that our ancestors wouldn't know what
01:33:21.280an owl was, it's only mentioned once in all of the corpus of our poems. And it's not even mentioned
01:33:28.100as an animal. It's the beak of the animal that's mentioned. So it's really hard, I think, for
01:33:35.080people to create these arguments where they say, you know, oh, well, that's kind of ridiculous
01:33:42.680because, you know, it wasn't written down, so our ancestors didn't do it. And that's kind of wild
01:33:47.840to me um i saw this with uh the the vikings didn't have tattoos because the only person who wrote
01:33:54.800about it was ibn fadlan and he was talking about one group of people and even though it could have
01:34:00.420been paint or it could have been tattoos we don't know so therefore probably wasn't a thing and that
01:34:08.600that that that's a big assumption to say and i think that's just some genuine so um we we i we
01:34:17.200see these little nuggets and i think that's why this this poem is important it gives us an idea
01:34:23.240about dream interpretation about the usage and mechanics of words especially about components
01:34:29.020of the spirit talks about symbology the bear the eagle the wolf um and and just the the the body
01:34:39.720being impaled on a spear and in the darkness of the dream that the the wolves are howling
01:34:45.360very very cool stuff um so blumvar then speaks back because he said you know oftentimes
01:34:55.200there are dogs that follow the the volley of spears
01:34:59.760as she says in 26 a river the length of the hall saw i run full swiftly it roared over the benches
01:35:10.200it swept over the feet did it break of ye brothers twain so she sees a river torrent come into the
01:35:17.480hall and it flows over and separates the brothers that of of gunner and hoggy who both die at hatley
01:35:26.680atley's hall um again very very cool imagery the liminal space the transition the river
01:35:36.680is a place between two foundational places and she's speaking between life and death
01:35:45.640um gunner then speaks and this is lost uh it says here down at the bottom this interpretation or
01:35:52.600verse is missing and most of the editor editors either assume a gap or construct two
01:36:00.120malhotter lines out of the volsunga saga poem they bring it over here to keep its continuation
01:36:07.720going but in this case bellow said no this is just the the nature of the poem that survived
01:36:13.720so he moves forward so good news uh we lose that verse glauvor then speaks i dreamed that by night
01:36:23.880came dead women hither sad were their garments so they wore garments of mourning and thee were there
01:36:34.040were uh were they seeking they bade thee come swiftly forth to their benches and nothing
01:36:40.040methinks could the norns avail thee so now i think we were directly referencing dc this is also in
01:36:48.280yal saga where there are women clad in white and women clad in black again these colorations as
01:36:56.280symbols of good and evil were not often used um pre-christian so we're starting to see some of
01:37:01.800these influences um but they are the de-seer of his line and not even the norns the big norns the
01:37:14.200The ones at the tree in heaven that are where all of fate and all of time and all of reality is flowing from in the first well, the highest well.
01:37:30.680And then Gunnar speaks, too late is thy speaking, for so it is settled.
01:37:36.680From the faring I turn not, and going is fixed, though likely it is that our lives shall be short.
01:37:44.200I think that ultimately this is determinational philosophy that was popularized amongst the warrior ethos and is another reason why I talk about how knighthood is a Germanic component brought to Christianity.
01:38:03.800It did not exist in the Bible. There was components of suffering or enduring things, but the union of warriors that were transfixed into destiny, moving forward, facing and not veering away from the grand design of the world and of their fate, that is very dramatic.
01:38:30.240and here's a perfect example of it where he just says it doesn't matter the dream it doesn't matter
01:38:36.080if we are going to die i will not avert from what must be done also bear in mind this poem is
01:38:44.560clearly has the benefit of being latter composed in relation to all the other stories
01:38:51.760that tell the fate as it is so this is more a demonstration of poetics
01:38:56.640um so he says then bright shown or sorry that not hey he doesn't say this he says
01:39:11.320though i will go even though our lives may be cut short then bright shown the morning the men
01:39:17.440all were ready they said and yet each would the other hold back five were the warriors and their
01:39:24.320followers all but twice as many their minds knew not wisdom sniper and solar uh solar solar and uh
01:39:35.440they they were the sons of hogney cogniz two sons uh orkning was he called who came with the others
01:39:43.360blithe was the shield tree the brother of costa better um
01:39:49.360um that's uh the shield tree the skelder uh because it doesn't say tree here it says the
01:39:59.860shield bearer blithe was was the shield tree i i think in essence the bellows is using a kenning
01:40:11.740a shield tree is a warrior so blithe was the warrior the brother of costa bearer that was
01:40:17.400going as well. Um, so, uh, the fair decked ones, the ones, the warriors bright, followed till the
01:40:31.400fjord divided them. Full hard did they plead, but the others would not hear it. Then did Glaumvor
01:40:37.980speak forth, the wife of Gunr, to Vingy, she said, the messenger from Attlee. That which wise to her
01:40:45.620seemed i know not if well thou requited our welcome full ill was thy coming if ever shall
01:40:53.360follow then did vingy swear and full glib was his speech then that line is gone
01:41:00.420the built up and the loss um but he says at the end there's two lines he says uh may giants
02:01:05.060accounts of Attila, even in the historical sense, only Jordanes has a secondary account.
02:01:12.480And scholars, of course, immediately, oh, he's a Turk. Oh, he's Asiatic. And then others are
02:01:18.180like, well, he could be Scythian. So, but yeah, it's even the historical is sparse.
02:01:27.500um uh so again he's speaking even if we were to take this completely out of historical context
02:01:37.220which i think we should in general sense is that he's speaking of the loss of his brothers
02:01:42.580um and and this is again why is it being said it's to show the overwhelming devastation and loss
02:01:50.860and kind of the presence that gunner and hogni have the end of their life which they don't
02:01:57.460really get a lot of that um except you know when it's giant bombastic armies going at each other
02:02:05.020but um i just find it interesting um hogney then speaks after at least speaks he says a great
02:02:12.720kinship had i the truth may i hide not from a wife bringing slaughter small joy could i win
02:02:20.500We lay seldom together since to me thou wast given. Now my kin are all gone. Of my gold am I robbed. Nay, and worse, thou didst send my sister to hell.
02:02:33.040um and this is interesting uh the idea that this uh the manuscript marks this line is beginning in
02:02:43.500a new stanza uh it is impossible um because perhaps more of it was lost the meaning of
02:02:51.100this is half line is somewhat doubtful uh but apparently atlee refers to sigurd's treasure
02:13:56.060So this symbology of, and I wonder too if it accounts for both sides of the shield, but in essence, she shows friendship, but she's feigning it deeply.
02:14:11.000She holds resentment. Red is the color of that resentment, whereas white is the color of peace.
02:14:17.260the beer then she sought for her brother's death feast and at at and a feast otley made for his
02:14:25.640followers dead so he mourns his followers but there is also the feast of her brothers
02:14:31.780uh no more did they speak the mead was made ready soon the men were gathered with mighty uproar0.90
02:14:39.780Thus bitterly planned she, and Boothley's race she threatened.0.86
02:14:45.740So the Huns, she conspires their destruction.0.88
02:14:49.220The terrible vengeance on her husband would she take.
02:14:53.500The little ones, she called, on a block she laid them.
02:14:58.080Afraid were the proud ones, but the tears did not fall,
02:15:02.040for their mother's arms went they, asked what she would.0.99
02:15:05.880Nay, ask me no more, you both shall I murder.0.99
02:15:09.780For long have I wished your lives to steal from you.1.00
02:15:13.180And the boys spoke, slay thy boys as thou wilt, for no one may bar it.0.78
02:15:20.640Short the angry ones peace, if all that shall do.
02:15:25.040So, again, there's this kind of reemphasizing of the affirmament of fate.
02:23:16.940Grim wast thou, Gudrun, in so grievous a deed, my draught with the blood of thy boys to mingle, thou hast slain thine own kin, because these are her children as well, and she doesn't consider them that, because, again, she's betrothed under Atli by conquest of war.
02:23:38.320Most ill it seemed thee, and little for me, twixt my sorrows thou leavest.
02:23:47.820Gudrun speaks, still more would I seek to slay thee myself.
02:23:52.700Enough ill comes seldom to such as thou art.
02:23:57.980Thou didst folly of old such that no one shall find
02:24:01.600in the whole world of men a match for such madness.
02:24:06.240Now this that of late we learn hast thou added,
02:24:10.740great evil hast grasped, and thine own death feast made.0.95
02:24:14.760I think that the visceral anger that Gudrun is speaking towards Atli is an echoing of the historical Attila and the tribal Germanic's hatred for him and the woe that he brought through Europe, especially amongst the Gutens.0.92
02:24:38.120So I think that that's some of this. I think Gudrun kind of represents that in a way.0.92
02:24:44.760Atli speaks, with fire shall they burn thee, and first shall they stone thee. So then hast thou earned what thou ever hast sought for.
02:30:46.700There's no surprise that this was coming.
02:30:51.700Full cruel was thou, ye brothers fought young.
02:30:55.240Quarrels brought you to battle, and half went to hell of the sons of thy house.
02:31:00.240And all was destroyed that should ever had done good.
02:31:04.000my two brothers and i were bold in our thoughts from the land we went for with sigurd we fare
02:31:12.320full swiftly we sail each one steering his ship for our fate stopped wherever till we came to the0.99
02:31:21.080east so you are the dastardly one and the nibelones rode alongside the great sigurd and we1.00
02:31:28.840were you know everything was a-okay which of course we know is not true so this is kind of
02:31:34.080just a back and forth of uh of poetics and by this time especially in greenland i wonder if
02:31:41.800the entirety of the story would be known by the audience so they might not know that this was all
02:31:48.120kind of not quite true um she said but you know we found doom in the east when we came here
02:31:57.880First the king did we slay, then the land we seized. The princes did us service, for such was their fear. From the forest we called them, we fain would have guiltless, and rich made we many, who of all were bereft.
02:32:12.780slain was the hun king soon happiness vanished in her grief the wind the widow so young
02:32:22.460sat weeping yet worse seemed the sorrow to seek at least house a hero was my husband and hard
02:35:20.520that ultimately the original poems are lost in their meanings and that the overarching meaning
02:35:27.840is connection to clan, connection to siblings, and just the devotion to revenge. And we know
02:35:37.200well into the Christian overtake of the Norse, blood feuds were still very much a thing. So
02:35:45.980So I think this is just kind of the signs of the times that which was lauded was that if people wronged your kin, you went to the ends of the earth to get them back.
02:35:58.500Well, and the other that is very important in this is the constant super tragedy fear of our ancestors
02:39:52.180So I think that a general gift to the Astru Folk Assembly
02:39:56.720in the name of one of the gods, you know,1.00
02:39:59.340as an offering to them is absolutely appropriate.
02:40:03.640And I also think that you have, with the various things that we are raising money for and the various Hoffs and the various, you know, projects, a way to specifically put it towards, you know, something you feel particularly drawn to in a way of honoring one of our gods.
02:40:25.440So absolutely. And I don't just think it's, you know, kind of an OK option. I think it's a very good option because I think that the intention in an offering to the in a donation to the AFA is the same as the intention you would put in a beer or an apple, as you said.
02:40:47.820But in a very tangible way that can be put to use to further the mission of the Aesir to bring our folk back into trough with them and, you know, can provide things to elevate them, such as Hoffs and stuff that way.
02:41:06.600So I think it's a really, really good option and something I would encourage everybody to do.
02:41:11.820our other question that we've got here tonight is good evening i'll hear you go with you matt
02:41:20.940witness fawn folk builder nick we often hear a criticism from christians to people like us
02:41:27.600that christianity is essentially is essential to the building of european civilization
02:41:33.440and returning back to our foundational religion
02:42:03.440spod do you want to take the first swing at that sure um i would say that it's it's again a broad
02:42:10.480stroke and ridiculous notion to think that christianity somehow made europeans european
02:42:18.240and i think that would denote deeply the undercurrents of a lot of european christians0.93
02:42:23.360who are actually anti-european anti uh when you look at the details when they flip through the
02:42:29.520pages and they see the things that they don't like and that are staunchly European, they hate
02:42:34.960them because they are so adherent to a lot of these kind of Semitic ideas. I will say this0.82
02:42:43.680much though. Christianity was the encapsulation or the banner, the shell that allowed Europe to0.99
02:42:52.740organized to beat off to a great success the ottomans or the east um but it was not the
02:43:03.480entirety of that which kept the easterners out of europe um there was a lot of political
02:43:10.460sense there was geographical reasons um obviously didn't work in spain but for so long um it's again
02:43:20.660it's a broad stroke sense, like after the fact, it was like, oh, the reason why the Ottomans were
02:43:24.260kept out was because of Sky Rabbi. That's basically what they're saying. There was a
02:43:30.720great need for unification. And perhaps that unification did come from the very act of
02:43:36.500like the Crusades. But the Crusades themselves were not built on Christian principles. They
02:43:43.100were built on Germanic and European warrior ethic. I think that it's also foolhardy for them0.99
02:43:53.640to say that with how much they're unwilling to admit, like how Greek philosophers influenced
02:44:00.880early Christianity or how very dastardly they were in their techniques and in becoming a state
02:44:09.380recognized religion um where they could finally rub elbows with the with the big boys at the big0.85
02:44:16.580boy table of the of the um eastern empire the pagans were getting money from the uh the rule
02:44:23.240the ruling class and and the emperor um and they wanted it too and they were willing to do anything
02:44:28.040to do it and this even uh went all across the empire from alexandria to constantinople and
02:44:36.520eventually to Rome. Um, perhaps there, there was a much more subtle positivity point because I don't
02:44:47.080want to be, um, so negative. One of the things that Christianity did was emphasize the unification
02:44:54.080through writing. Writing is something that I think our ancestors should have picked up sooner,
02:45:03.360But they were, again, the warrior culture built on oracular speech is so tied and tight and is very Aryan in its genesis that if they had, I think if they had picked that up sooner.
02:45:26.380But, again, you have these scholars, these people who are lamenting about the things that happened in the Middle East, and they want power in the present-day empire.
02:47:23.420I will always be grateful to the Jehovah's Witnesses because their approach to Christianity is to make it the church that Jesus taught and not all of the things that in the West had a cross on it.0.83
02:47:53.420And that's a really big difference.0.95
02:47:59.900Medieval Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus.0.85
02:48:06.380And it has nothing to do with peaceful desert Jews that renounce the world.0.98
02:48:18.000One of the things that's interesting, so for an example, and Jehovah's Witnesses aren't perfect,0.93
02:48:22.720but their attempt to clean slate let's go back to the scriptures and try to do christianity
02:48:31.040in the most authentic way that is the teachings of jesus i think you see that with the jehovah's
02:48:37.280witnesses i think you see that with like the amish i think you see that with some of these people
02:48:43.760that are directly not what would have made europe awesome and that are lame0.73
02:48:52.720Jesus was about renouncing the world, being no part of it, being no part of its governance.
02:48:58.960The whole world is in the power of the wicked one.
02:49:06.880And that's why Satan could offer Jesus when he tempted him in the desert, could offer him, you know, all of the kingdoms of the earth.
02:49:14.280that's a big christian tenet of the early church was like no we don't want to be part of governance
02:49:20.180or the military or any of the things that shape the world we're aloof from the world we live in
02:49:28.540the world but we're no part of it you know well what about my taxes should i give my taxes well
02:49:33.540whose face is on your coin you know rendering to caesar what's caesar's it was a removal from
02:49:40.680worldly affairs um yes the roman catholic church was a big benefit to europe in the sense that it
02:49:51.740unified all of the disparate tribes of europe into one faith and that unity made europe stronger and
02:50:02.700able to do things. That has nothing to do with Christianity. It
02:50:09.160has everything to do with, you know, Roman imperial efficiency
02:50:15.260and the militant folk soul of the Germanic people. It has
02:50:21.960everything to do with that. It has nothing to do with a rabbi
02:50:26.100in Judea. And that's a really important difference.
02:50:32.700yes with a cross stamped on it european culture did a lot of great things
02:50:39.980you could have stamped a lot of different things on that that were much more authentic
02:50:45.420and the same impulses would have happened those impulses were from the european
02:50:49.980aryan folk soul and not from the semitic religiosity of judea um
02:50:58.060but there's lessons to be learned yes a strong unified religious body for a religion is very
02:51:08.300important to exist in in the world that we live in and to have influence to unite people under
02:51:16.000faith and spirituality is very important i think that we would have avoided a lot of the pitfalls
02:51:24.000with a much more honest version of that which would be ausitru or something very very close
02:51:30.000to our understanding of ausitru in a modern sense unifying with one church and that's why we talk
02:51:38.320about the afa being the church of the isir unifying with one body with one voice towards a goal
02:51:46.160that was very important that did all of those things uh sky rabbi didn't defeat the ottomans
02:51:54.960winged hussars and um unified response from warrior nobility from europe did that
02:52:05.480all of those people were very much in contrast to the peaceful world rejecting religion that
02:52:13.580jesus taught but we're absolutely in the greatest traditions of warrior kings of the house of true
02:52:19.220um medieval and renaissance flourishing in europe is
02:52:25.540very uniquely non-christian even though it was done with a heavy power structure of
02:52:35.000roman catholicism but all of that has this ingrained
02:52:40.520war with itself because it's not being authentically christian and as soon as
02:52:48.040people became aware aware of that you have all of the disintegration of europe that occurred
02:52:52.840with the reformation and people after that um i don't think that the teachings of the christianity
02:53:02.680that these people want to talk about flourishing western civilization that's inauthentic and kind
02:53:09.720of a slap in the face to their desert god all of those things would have and should have occurred
02:53:17.320in pursuit of troth to the icier with different pictures on the stained glass and you know hammers
02:53:25.400on the banners of crusaders and warriors of europe doing things and you know instead of focusing on
02:53:34.280the levant focusing on europe and stopping muslim invasions and all of the other things that
02:53:41.320were done in medieval europe but without the rot and the uh internal
02:53:49.080dialogue of knowing that what was being done was in conflict with the Christianity. There was a
02:53:58.380guilt that came with the Christian overlay of European warrior tradition. I think our people
02:54:07.020would have and would still be flourishing in a much greater way if that built-in guilt and built-in
02:54:15.860Well, if war with ourself wasn't there, I think we would have gotten an even more robust flourishing of European civilization that would still be in effect today and not be in retreat.0.91
02:54:31.160And you see the forces, you see all of the seeds of Western civilization's current regression within that Christian construct of a destruction of familial bonds.0.95
02:54:45.160A rejection of racial difference, a rejection of manly virtue, a rejection of loyalty to kin, the rejection of pride and of dignity.0.97
02:54:59.600Most of the virtues you see in medieval Christianity are things that are rejected explicitly by Jesus in his Sermon on the Mount, but things that were fundamental.
02:55:12.200and i know for sake of argument we weren't supposed to reference greece and rome but
02:55:16.840we're fundamental to like roman imperial virtues and we're fundamental to the understanding of
02:55:24.040medieval european warrior aristocracy but all of those things are antithetical to you know0.93
02:55:32.520the rabbi that preached blessed are the meek uh you know the meek shall inherit the earth0.66
02:55:38.920uh the the least will become greatest the the proto-communism of0.96
02:55:48.040first century christianity has nothing in common with the flourishing of
02:55:52.840medieval and renaissance europe and it's it's hard i get that people that don't
02:55:57.560have the context and don't look into it far enough there is a cross stamped on everything
02:56:04.840in that time and so oh that must be very christian but it's a very very thin
02:56:11.960coat of paint over a very very different um soul
02:56:20.440you're muted uh may i also say too christianity created an avenue for which it could readily pull
02:56:30.120from the virtuous pagan the actual concept of the virtuous pagan is mentioned in the bible
02:56:37.640by in romans by saul tarsus and he says um you know as many have sinned without law shall also
02:56:46.040perish without law and as many have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law of course the law
02:56:51.080is the rabbinical law or the covenant with yahweh by via the israelites or the jews uh for not the0.60
02:56:57.480The hearers of the law are just before God.0.85
02:57:01.040So those who don't know it, the pagans, will go before him.
02:57:05.900That's a very interesting point I want to bring up.0.98
02:57:08.540For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by thy nature the things contained in the law,1.00
02:57:15.660these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves.0.97
02:57:19.600So he gives credence that in order for us to pull from these greats that have influenced us so much without it being seen as hypocritical is because they're acting in accordance with rabbinical law, even though they don't know the law.
02:57:37.480And this, you know, includes Homer. It includes Hector. Another great, you know, pre-Christian. And I think this was Saul kind of recognizing the room. He was reading the room.
02:57:56.520But more importantly, this also shows something that we see in Judaism now is the judgment day at the end in which all the bodies of those who have passed will rise up to be judged.0.60
02:58:14.540So kind of like waiting in the ground.0.76
02:58:17.720And Saul, who everyone calls Paul, is a Jew.
02:58:21.340He's saying that even though the pagans don't know the law, the rabbinical law of the Jews,0.55
02:58:28.720there will come a time when their God, Yahweh, stands to judge everyone.
02:58:33.340And they will rise from the grave and at the court with Yahweh and Jesus, they will be allowed in.
02:58:43.920Because he said, which true their work and law was written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness and their thoughts and meaning while accused are else excusing one another in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus, according to my gospel.
02:58:59.740So he is saying that the early conceptualization of judgment is, again, very much like the Judaic concept of this kind of, again, the waiting of the soul and then the judgment shall be had and everyone will be put into their proper place.
02:59:22.520And even some pagans will be allowed to sit at the foot of Yahweh.
02:59:29.740very very interesting i never knew about this so recently so that's that's what they do though
02:59:39.080um that's an that's a thing um saul of tarsus was a real interesting you know marketer and he's
02:59:49.000you know the the apostle to the gentiles they like to say he got that you had to open it up
02:59:56.360and make all these concessions and try to market it to europe who wasn't gonna weren't going to0.93
03:00:05.780accept the jewry of early christianity you had to make it something completely different and i think
03:00:14.840the inauthenticity of that gets expounded upon a lot in the middle in the middle ages and popes
03:00:22.220right explicitly especially in the the uh christianization of england like don't change
03:00:28.360the stuff alter it as little as possible carry on all their pagan customs just slap a cross and
03:00:35.160put jesus on it and it's all good and i think we see a lot of that so yeah the the thing that people
03:00:43.920think is christianity if they read their bibles and actually were fair about evaluating it is
03:00:51.300not Christian at all. It's like when you realize all of the things about Christmas that are awesome
03:00:57.120are Yule traditions. You're left with a very much less fun holiday. Most of us are warm and
03:01:08.540amazing, you know, imagery and thoughts about Christmas that are cool have very little to do
03:01:15.200with, you know, a, a manger scene. And so, yeah, that's, that's that. We have one more
03:01:23.320question tonight. Thoughts on Alex Jones. Do you have thoughts about Alex Jones?
03:01:30.820Um, that's a good question. Um, I mean, I certainly have listened. I think the attraction
03:19:46.580It's terrible to them, whoever them might be, but it is a constant act of humiliating yourself before your foes.
03:20:02.780And we see that with the Pope, you know, washing everybody's feet all the time and stuff.
03:20:09.880There are these rituals where you are celebrating people that are not worthy of celebration.
03:20:18.000And I think that, and specifically when you pair it with the Sermon on the Mount, it's not about empathy.
03:20:26.800It's a deliberate assault on the heroic in order to level the playing field.
03:20:34.300You know, it is anti-success and pro-losers so that we are all unified in worthlessness before their God.
03:20:47.720And that is antithetical to everything I believe.
03:20:52.160And one of the reasons that I'm here and not there, probably the biggest reason I'm here and not there, is the realization of, whoa, this is wrong.
03:21:02.020I don't know what's right yet but this is wrong and if this is all there is I want to be on the
03:21:08.000other side and that opened my that freed me to come back home to Ausitru and back home to what's
03:21:15.420natural and makes sense you know we naturally empathy is wonderful empathy being able to feel
03:21:23.040what someone else is feeling and approach other beings from a point of understanding that way is
03:21:30.320beautiful. Humiliating yourself in front of your foes is a
03:21:36.140very different thing. You know, I can empathize with a lot of
03:21:41.800people who are on the other team, it doesn't mean I'm giving
03:21:44.120them my stuff. It means like, hey, I get you, I see where
03:21:46.900you're coming from. But you stay over there on that side of that
03:21:50.060line, and we're gonna have problems. Like that's
03:21:52.980empathetic. But that's not what's being taught. That's not
03:21:56.520what um that religion is taught and then sure enough we did uh i i specifically flapped my
03:22:04.920gums a lot on that so we got the next question uh if you still have time and i'm joking about all
03:22:12.520that i've got all night we got as much time to answer any questions you guys have we love doing
03:22:16.440this this is i look forward to this all week um if you still have time thank you for sharing uh
03:22:22.840those were great thoughts to hear another thought that is on my mind a lot is that christianity has
03:22:28.600been the spiritual path of my ancestors for the last 800 to 900 years and the end result is that
03:22:34.840we are dying as a people do you have any thoughts on that we have infinite thoughts on that well and
03:22:43.080you kind of where would you like to start with some of your thoughts on that you were kind of
03:22:47.640heading in a direction when we talked about becoming free, coming home. I think that is
03:22:53.840the end result. Just as we had talked in the culmination of all the things that we talked
03:22:57.540about, perhaps the political unification of the church allowed Europe to better defend
03:23:05.820itself against the incursion of an external threat, an alien threat, even though that
03:23:13.980which they used to unify themselves was alien as well um we are coming to the point now where our
03:23:20.760people must survive and what that really comes down to is they must come home and those two are
03:23:29.340parallel they're analogous to each other so it is important that everyone here say i know that a lot
03:23:36.640of folks don't want to say we don't proselytize we don't do this we don't do that no um it is about
03:23:43.220telling people, look at the folly of this. Look at the fallacy of this. Look at what it's doing
03:23:50.920wrong. And look at the people who have to drastically change what is clearly written in the
03:23:55.660book in order to substantiate correct thought. A lot of these Christ bros, these Christian0.92
03:24:03.200nationalists, these semi or fully religious fascistic folks, they are clearly going against
03:24:13.460what is written. And the cognitive dissonance is so loud in the room that I think it's imperative
03:24:24.240that we just simply speak the truth. You don't need this book. You don't need this text. You
03:24:30.580don't need this rabbinical law you don't need this covenant what you need to do is come home
03:24:34.840and you need to live a religion in the now instead of constantly slipping and sliding
03:24:42.060on your belly in preparation for the punishment of a foreign god upon your soul um
03:24:50.420so i i yeah i just i think that unification coming home and blatantly showing people with
03:25:00.000honest and sincerity this does not say what it truly takes this does not have the spirit
03:25:06.960of what people need in order to thrive anymore
03:29:23.660We need to reintegrate that with the spirituality that was left off way back when and nurture our soul to keep up with our technological progress and meet us where we are and lead us into the future.
03:29:42.300and we need to learn the lessons of the past that allowed us to be brought under the yoke of
03:29:51.800christianity and be resolved not to repeat those to fix the things that were broken we talked about
03:29:57.740earlier in this in this broadcast we should have been unified under house to true and we weren't
03:31:00.980Okay. I have actually recently been talking to my son. He's passed his man-making, and he is tackling the spiritual for young men. I think that's something, the world is bigger than them, but they are so dependent kind of on the material and the physicality of the world that it's kind of hard to broach.
03:31:26.240I said, if you get a bowl and you get a cup, if you fill the cup up and you drink from it, that cup becomes you.
03:31:35.740And if you pour that into the bowl, that bowl being the gods, there is a deed of transference of physical substance between you to the deed and the divine around you.
03:31:51.640So if you take that cup and you gift over to the gods through the bowl, you are physically making this transfer.
03:32:00.140And then I suggested to him that he come with three things after he sips and pours, that he comes with a statement, with a question, and with an observation.
03:32:15.660and so uh not necessarily in this order but the idea of the statement being simple as i give this
03:32:24.480to you to better understand or to to take away my ignorance of the of everything around me
03:32:32.640um and then to ask what when i go forth from here what must i do to be better in your eyes
03:32:42.780and third and and and lastly is an observation is is more or less i will continue to do this
03:32:50.360or i intend to do this or i am doing this to return home it's it's it's a blanket statement
03:32:57.680that that tells yourself why you're there and then at the same time the other two are
03:33:04.100pointed towards the external or that which is outside of you which is the divine the divine
03:33:10.540reflection in that which is the physical world um that might be overly complicated but you could
03:33:17.560take something from that i think ultimately though once per week taking something physical
03:33:25.460and transferring it to a bowl and having a sincere moment with the divine or with your ancestry
03:33:33.400in that act of transference that that nexus point of the gifting where something comes from you and
03:33:42.560is no longer a part of you but given unto them is a repeated act that i think leads us
03:33:51.100sets up the guideposts so that when we go from that place and we live our lives we gain great
03:33:57.480wisdom from it. And it's kind of constantly regrounding yourself. It's the watering of your
03:34:04.240roots. It's the continual action of gifting. It doesn't have to be perfect. Don't get into
03:34:11.960analysis paralysis. It can be water. It can be milk. It can be wine. It could be dependent
03:34:18.020greatly upon how you feel. And in your mind, you should understand that it could change in the
03:34:22.320future. As you grow more accustomed to being culturally inundated in Ausitru, your expressions
03:34:28.560may change. Right now, the very basic, at the very beginning, is about doing a deed of transference
03:34:36.160and gifting with your sincere intention placed upon the table outside of yourself. I think a lot
03:34:44.000of people either don't do that, or they are so inundated by Christian thought that they
03:34:52.380internalize prayer, they speak about perhaps themselves, or the only third position that
03:35:00.200they attack or talk about is via a book. No, but what I'm ultimately getting at is these questions,
03:35:08.380these statements and these observations help move your soul and your mind away from yourself
03:35:15.340and towards the deed of making connection and relationship with the gods they may show up in
03:35:24.540your life in ways that are more intimate to you i'm very weary when i meet people that are like
03:35:29.900i had a dream about the gods and you know he had a big giant helmet and um you know he had like
03:35:34.460wolf underwear and a big double-headed axe it was awesome um because i feel like they're kind of
03:35:41.500padding perhaps some fake framework but when they sincerely reach out and they know that someone in
03:35:51.420the room in a dream who's telling them something of great importance is not them is not their
03:35:58.380ancestors it is the divine reaching out to them and telling them a path to take that is the start
03:36:05.900of kind of really beginning to understand this is a living religion it's not about placating
03:36:12.140a divine form to get out of trouble at the end of school no it's about physically giving up
03:36:20.380self stepping outside of yourself to have a relationship with the gods that can show you
03:36:30.380ways in the world towards better things towards a better self there's a better
03:36:35.580community all of that but it all starts with again that gifting cycle
03:37:33.440So the gods, and I believe this fully, whatever you do in your worship should be from the heart in the best way that you know how to express that.
03:37:54.060And when I say this, some people that like to script their bloats or like to compose a poem or plan what they're going to say.
03:38:06.220If that is authentic to them and that's the way that they are able to best present themselves authentically to the gods, I don't fault that.
03:38:14.980I am much more comfortable just speaking from the heart because I get lost in trying to memorize something or trying to do a complex sequence of things.
03:38:30.260But the gods see through all of our pretension or all of our nonsense.
03:38:37.560You cannot fool the gods with whatever way you want to present yourself.
03:38:44.980the gods know who you are at least as much as they care to
03:38:53.300you so any any pretense before them is just insulting maybe at best it's comical and they
03:39:02.580chuckle um but you're not fooling anybody so rather than say things you don't mean
03:39:12.180or being grandiose i think you're much better served to start out simply
03:39:19.620um and i look at it this way and it sounds cheesy and i don't mean it that way
03:39:27.940but it's like when a child says something nice to you or gives you some stick figure drawing that
03:39:35.300they drew you don't need stick figure drawings that look terrible but it's the effort that
03:39:43.380they thought you would like this thing and that they gave it to you and that's beautiful and
03:39:48.660touching the gods don't need anything from you the effort and the thought of you giving them something
03:39:59.460means something to them and is meaningful.
03:40:04.100So I would keep it simple, and I would be very honest.
03:40:09.320Don't claim that you have some devotion you don't have.
03:40:13.280Don't claim that you're anything more or anything less than you are.
03:43:52.740And I feel like that doing that, not just to her, but to many of our gods at that time, really opened all of this and opened my heart up to letting the Aesir in.
03:44:09.880And that brought me to where I am today.
03:44:12.960And I don't remember all of the gods that I made offerings to or just how that all worked in order.
03:44:18.960I made it to many, but I don't want to misspeak.
03:44:22.320But I know that specifically I did this with Thor and with Odin and with Freya, with Bragi.
03:44:31.860And I believe that I did it with many others, but that's the ones that I remember.