Asatru Folk Assembly - 12⧸28⧸22 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 25 - Týr

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00:03:00.000 hello once again and welcome to victory never sleeps tonight we have witness

00:03:21.760 Fawn Harrell returning to discuss here with us. I'm excited for this episode.

00:03:32.760 Just in my camera a little bit here. Trying to think if they've got anything on the

00:03:39.400 off the top to make sure we cover before we get into it. And I suppose I, you know,

00:03:46.600 want to wish you guys all i hope you guys all are having an awesome yule with your family i know a

00:03:54.200 lot of folks are catching the the crud that's been going around but i hope you guys are doing great

00:03:59.800 i know i've had a great uh great yule so far with with my family and uh pretty excited about

00:04:08.440 about that and i'm also excited about uh just what a great year i know we're gonna have

00:04:14.360 in 2023 we got plans we got stuff we're working on coming into it with amazing momentum uh 2022

00:04:22.760 has been a spectacular year for the astro folk assembly um in 2022 we've

00:04:33.640 uh cliff may have a good way to check this out in our database but we have gained well over

00:04:40.040 well over 100 members in the last year. So we're up much more than 10% in the last 12 months. And

00:04:50.660 that's huge for us. That's a lot of growth. We've got Njordshoff back in July. And now we finished

00:05:03.900 off the year buying the property for Sigerheim. So we've done amazing this last year and we've

00:05:09.440 got great things ahead in 2023. I also want to point out for those of you that may not know,

00:05:15.460 the Astru Folk Assembly was established at the turning of the year between 94 and 95.

00:05:21.620 So we, as of here in a couple of days, we got 28 years in the books and we're starting year 29.

00:05:29.140 So happy birthday to the Astru Folk Assembly.

00:05:33.440 and i think that's all i got off the top um except for okay a couple of things one thing i

00:05:42.320 want to mention next month on the weekend of the 14th of next month we're having our first event

00:05:49.280 at sigerheim now it's a little bit humble right now because it's just a uh just a vacant lot but

00:05:56.880 it is it's literally what dreams are made of and we're very excited to go check it out

00:06:04.320 explore the property a little bit kind of get a real firm sense on our our property line there

00:06:10.640 do do a ritual spend some time on it and then enjoy each other's company in tennessee so if

00:06:17.120 you can make that if you're an afa member and you want to be part of that please let your local folk

00:06:21.680 builder know and uh we'd love to have folks out there for that but i'm very excited this will be

00:06:27.040 the first time i actually get to step foot on the property so i'm pretty stoked about it

00:06:34.080 all right i think that does cover it so from here it's fun what do you think folks need to know

00:06:40.400 about tier to start this off both the uh folks that have been around in house true for a while

00:06:46.640 but also any anybody that may not be familiar that's tuning into the broadcast.

00:06:53.200 Oh, I think it's first and foremost, I think it's an important

00:06:59.760 point to get across that tier is a very poignant and

00:07:09.120 I guess would gravitas within the the overall cultural understanding of the way that we

00:07:16.640 approach the gods and that our people and i would say even to the people of other uh

00:07:23.280 aryan branches of religion um have uh intertwined themselves with uh tier um

00:07:33.680 very very i guess strongly however he's an enigmatic god in and of himself because of um

00:07:44.480 i would say the symbolism of the name um the placement of him by the late nordic period as

00:07:55.920 let's say conversed with maybe the germanic period or the teutonic period of of uh you

00:08:01.920 know the late roman empire i think that's a good place to start so before we go further

00:08:07.040 on it in case people aren't familiar can you break down tier's name for us yes so tier in uh in old

00:08:16.080 north tier um it's a nordic uh version or or an evolution of what would seem and most likely be

00:08:28.240 Tiw or Tiwa. Again, the W sound oftentimes was like an E-U sound, very similar to the

00:08:39.880 word in a U tree. So Tiw or Tiwa is oftentimes thrown around. I think Tiw is more linguistically

00:08:50.840 correct but uh tiw or um teu or tiu um oftentimes the way that spelling is done because uh the roman

00:09:03.560 alphabet was being adopted at various stages so the spelling kind of comes out strangely um

00:09:09.720 ultimately though it has its origins all the way back linguistically um to mean that of the shining

00:09:19.800 one um it could be especially by the late nordic period it was predominantly just correlated to the

00:09:27.480 word god or a god it was um like a secondary word the nordic word for god ouse and then the

00:09:37.400 secondary word would would often be tier um the prevalence of that is important though because it

00:09:45.240 the correspondence between the two um the fact that just the name of a heavenly being could

00:09:51.720 also be called a tear but when we look at like say slavic uh or latvian or um even all the way

00:09:59.960 to the vedic when we see deos or dios um and you know the d and the t uh changing in germanic just

00:10:09.720 like the f and the p in like father and potter switched um the t became prevalent but uh you

00:10:17.880 know the the meaning of the name being a divine being a powerful being uh or generally in

00:10:23.880 correlations to um shiningness or the light uh but again enigmatic because there's a there's a

00:10:34.920 correlation where you will find people generally saying that tier is um especially from the edus

00:10:43.480 his origins are bifurcated there's two origins from the same author in an essence or the same

00:10:52.360 collective author snorri stutlason in which he says you know by the late nordic period he refers

00:10:57.960 to tears being the son of a jotin or the son of odin and so there's some you know uh that that's

00:11:04.680 caused a lot of uh issues and i think that some people just correlate immediately oh no he's the

00:11:10.440 son of odin because this would fall into the pattern that was established in the late nordic

00:11:15.240 period or at least i would even say post nordic period because snorty was writing these down in

00:11:20.360 the 12th century but there's a couple of things that we can look at comparatively to understand

00:11:27.560 and i think if we look at an overall patterning of aryan religion we begin to see that uh no matter

00:11:36.520 where um tier is culturally within the different subgroups um we find that there is a power

00:11:46.280 um and a majesty connected to him whether it's in the form of the adjudication of victory of the

00:11:53.720 overall army or um even in the correlation to uh adjudicating who wins in um i would say like

00:12:04.760 law disputes and that comes later in the late nordic period um but yeah so his name is means

00:12:13.800 a god and they uh to regulate him as just that's just a god or it just means a god it could be any

00:12:22.120 god i think is folly considering that the word itself has much more power in other um lateral

00:12:30.580 groups when we see the word deus or deus but the issue comes in with and this has been something

00:12:39.460 that's been argued and and debated about is this the the placement was um to you originally the

00:12:48.740 sky father and then you know odin took over or is odin the sky father and this is this has brought

00:12:55.440 about a huge um debate and just conversations going on back and forth about this and um

00:13:05.700 i think that my interpretations of it may be a little different than what i've been seeing in

00:13:13.060 the landscape. And that's where I come in about the tripartite and the establishment of what

00:13:22.420 seems to be the tripartite in all Aryan faiths. And that if we look at the gods kind of separating

00:13:29.700 ourselves from certain cultural aspects, we can see that the gods have this stabilizing power

00:13:36.560 that's that's uh generally formulated into three positions and uh tier certainly fits in those

00:13:43.840 positions in certain cultures and in others he does not at all um so i and i think that that

00:13:51.440 causes a lot of confusion because people are desperately trying to find correlative um pull

00:13:57.920 and plug they can pull one god from one pantheon and plug them into another and that makes perfect

00:14:04.000 sense and it should across the board and i i think that they've been missing a a pattern

00:14:10.880 that uh would be more of a organic explanation but let's just to talk about the gravity of the

00:14:18.960 late nordic period the one and huge story correlated to us about here is the binding of

00:14:25.280 fenris and whether fenris is a late nordic period when we talk about like say for instance with loki

00:14:33.360 or with one let's pause for just a sec because we're covering a lot of topics

00:14:38.140 I want to I want to interject a little bit about the name because you mentioned

00:14:43.420 you mentioned that there's some almost diminishing of value by critics or by

00:14:53.620 you know the well actually is because his name just means God but I don't think

00:15:02.440 to my mind, that's an exaltation as opposed to a diminishment. When you look at Caesar,

00:15:09.580 for example, that word became emperor, that became the definition of emperor,

00:15:18.220 even though Julius Caesar wasn't an emperor in his lifetime. It became the very definition

00:15:24.560 culturally until now, until literally last century, the czars were using their linguistic

00:15:31.620 variant of that man's name to define a supreme emperor. And now when we want to, you know,

00:15:39.400 when Obama was making people in charge of stuff in his administration, you'd be the health care

00:15:43.680 czar. It's a common vernacular as the word for emperor. That doesn't diminish Julius Caesar.

00:15:52.880 It exalts him as being the penultimate example of imperial majesty. And I think

00:15:59.560 the fact that Tyr's name is synonymous with deity is a testament to how important that he was to

00:16:07.480 our early ancestors and how significant his cult was at that time. And I think that's a point

00:16:13.800 that's lost on some folks. Well, and I also think that they feel it's an attack on the majesty and

00:16:21.340 the dominion of Voden or Odin. And I think that's wrong to assume that in order for one to have

00:16:30.780 majesty and dominion, the others cannot. I think culturally it's, or I would even say spiritually,

00:16:38.520 the hierarchy of our faith clearly denotes that Voden is the head. And he is the head of time.

00:16:46.920 He is the head of the Aesir, and with good reason, considering the portents of doom.

00:16:56.320 And there's other aspects about Tyr that make his dominion more into what I would call the Stasis Throne.

00:17:05.520 And that was the idea of the thrones.

00:17:07.920 I didn't want to jump in and start running like a rabbit down on it.

00:17:12.200 but um but yes i i think you're correct is that uh it doesn't and it shouldn't diminish but i also

00:17:19.560 should say that it doesn't diminish uh the surrounding but like there was this has been

00:17:26.120 going on for a very long time um dumazil uh he his kind of explanation for this was to bifurcate

00:17:36.280 or as i said that again to to split and divide or to create a duality of sovereignty and so

00:17:43.080 dumazil's structural uh concept of aryan um religion was that there was a sovereign point

00:17:50.360 there was a martial point and then there was an agricultural and craftsman section of society

00:17:57.160 and each of these sections had deep value to the gods so he was trying to create

00:18:06.280 this, uh, the idea of the sovereign and the, um, like the light side sovereign and the dark side

00:18:13.260 sovereign. And I don't know if he was correct in that assertion either, but that was his attempt

00:18:19.380 at trying to figure out how these things may have, may have evolved when we're, you know,

00:18:25.640 when we look at the Germanics compared to, to the, um, Nords, that's when we, we get a lot of this

00:18:32.660 kind of confusion and then it gets even crazier when we start looking at the hellenics and the

00:18:36.760 slobs and and um you know the gauls and things like that so a lot of people have been grasping

00:18:42.700 at these straws and i think that that's because they're coming at it from a a point of study

00:18:48.960 and a point of trying to comparatively you know go go through notes and and and things like that

00:18:56.040 They're not coming at it from a divine standpoint and or a point of piety.

00:19:02.440 No. And I think that's fallacious. I think a lot of people and I understand it's a natural tendency, but I think it's impious to try to force.

00:19:13.140 To try to force fit the gods into the the holes that we've you know, that we culturally feel they should go in rather than accepting them as they are and as they come to us.

00:19:26.040 And, you know, when you talk about the difference when you go regionally on their conception of Tyr, it's even more challenging because he's a very, very ancient, his worship is very ancient.

00:19:40.820 So when trying to compare the worship of Tyr in, you know, the year 100 with the worship of Odin in the year 700 is a lot of time and a lot of development culturally that goes on in between there that isn't something you can just easily account for.

00:20:03.480 Yeah, and I think that's why the movement of the thrones, as I call them, or the source of dominion, and the idea that when we look at the Aryan branches in various forms, we begin to see.

00:20:17.100 And so all it needs to know is perhaps that it has changed throughout. Let's just speak of the Teutonic people, that that source may have changed through time, where it was when our Nordic ancestors were the last bastion of our faith in Europe.

00:20:35.960 And where are we today is kind of like a great place to put ourselves in aligning ourselves as we move forward.

00:20:47.460 Something I also think is interesting, and neither here nor there, is that at different times and in different localities, the primacy of certain gods changes around.

00:21:05.080 uh when we look at you know kind of the the golden age

00:21:11.000 biggest flourishing or the period that we certainly know the most about and we hear about the

00:21:17.080 the great hof at upsala um thor was in the center and and odin and frey were off to the side

00:21:25.720 uh and i think that's a that's an interesting point in and of itself i think we are very linear

00:21:33.560 when we look at hierarchies in a human sense and i think that human hierarchy definitely lends

00:21:38.520 itself towards that but at some point it's important to consider that our gods are our gods

00:21:46.360 and not just big people and to accept them on their terms and not try to force them into our terms

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00:22:41.080 your donation we appreciate that says hail tear uh what do you think of the question of tear being

00:22:48.280 a god of justice it's true he is a god of sacrifice but i see justice in his actions as well

00:22:56.440 So, Svahn, what is your take on Tyr being a god of justice?

00:23:02.100 Well, one thing I would definitely say is looking at the Germanic, Germania, and Tacitus' Germania,

00:23:11.100 and the placement of Tyr, or as he called him, Mars, when we see justice as a force,

00:23:22.660 a cumulative force of the nation. What this ends up doing is later on, we see the late Nordic

00:23:31.920 period placing the thing in which there's trials that are being held and justice is being meted

00:23:40.760 out. And we see also Forseti taking place as the god of law and the god of constitution or the god

00:23:52.340 of of i would say tenant or or um application and setting of of law um so when you look at

00:24:02.180 tier and i'm gonna speak from like where we are now when we talk about for set the entire

00:24:07.380 uh you know i've heard a lot of people asking like well who do i like if i'm seeking justice in a uh

00:24:13.620 say in a sense of equilibrium uh you know is tier or is for seti um you know where are we correlated

00:24:24.660 in that and i have always been of the mind that tier is about external justice the idea that our

00:24:34.100 nation and our our people our folk our um whatever our boundaries are the application of um

00:24:47.220 justice the application of just action the application of correct action the application of

00:24:56.020 of creation of sovereignty, whether it's gaining new lands or absorbing or attaining things,

00:25:08.500 the justification of action must be meted out properly. So I would say that Tir is a god of

00:25:17.260 external justice whereas for seti is internal justice uh the way that we uh mitigate ourselves

00:25:29.100 and so there was there would be more of a a law that we we place forward into the world

00:25:36.380 and a law that we utilize within and that's how i would correlate those two um

00:25:43.340 Um, if we're talking about justice and I think that there's a, um, a sense of placing

00:25:54.400 like almost like when we're talking about justice, like as being in scales,

00:25:59.900 um, I think this is misplaced. And I think that when we talk about tier in the form of justice,

00:26:08.560 we should see it more as um an activation of our uh

00:26:21.360 i guess our our righteousness to move forward our righteousness to press on our righteousness to to

00:26:28.080 exemplify our will within the world as a collective group and when we look at

00:26:34.320 say in Tacitus Germania, we see that Mars in correlation would be collectively placed upon

00:26:44.960 that as he is in correlation. Perhaps maybe more focused on the law of the folk and the people as

00:26:53.920 they interact and move around. I think especially the inter-tribalness of the Teutons at the time.

00:26:59.680 time, we're seeing Tyr as the decider of who wins and who loses, whereas perhaps Wodhan

00:27:10.180 or Wodhan was seen more as directly correlated to the individual warrior and his soul, and

00:27:19.680 where his soul would end up if he died or was interplaced in.

00:27:27.080 Now, it is clearly stated by Tacitus that the stately sacrifices that were placed were placed to Mars and to Hercules or to the striker, whereas there was an over-exuberant amount of dedication to Mercury, or most everyone agrees that he's referring to Wolven.

00:27:53.580 And so I would definitely say even amongst the Teutons, the tripartite is extreme, where, you know, Wodhanaz is heavily, heavily focused on.

00:28:10.960 But justice, again, I mean, when we talk about justice as a form of manifesting our will forward as a people, as a collective, and having the decision of whether or not we are divinely sanctioned to press forward is, I think, the overall justice that we're referring to.

00:28:36.260 is like the the justice of existence the justice of expansion and the justice of main maintenance

00:28:42.420 of the order that we we carry with us is the justice that tier represents

00:28:51.700 so hey i appreciate uh svan carrying that there for the last few minutes

00:28:56.420 having some inner so uh you guys may or may not know i live in reno and in

00:29:02.020 this part of the world we got storms coming in over the sierras and my internet is a little

00:29:09.780 bit spotty so i'm doing my best tonight but i appreciate spawn covering for any gaps that we

00:29:15.460 may experience caught the end of it but spawn and i have talked about this so um not sure how much

00:29:22.100 he covered but as far as tear being a a justice god um i think spawn already hit on the

00:29:32.020 differences in what type of justice tier presides over as opposed to Forseti

00:29:41.780 but tier is much more about cosmic

00:29:51.460 existential justice than he is about you know lawsuits and disagreements amongst people

00:29:59.300 it's much more the fate of nations the fate of races the literally the separation between heaven

00:30:09.780 and earth um those kind of things i think are are the the the bigger the greater justice that tier

00:30:21.540 tier is responsible for associated with and i hope i again i'm not sure what all spawn got to

00:30:27.940 are not on that but i think we're probably within similar lines on it um so that goes in swan did

00:30:37.460 you talk about the uh the story of fenrir yet no no we haven't gone into that so i cut you off on

00:30:44.420 that go ahead and get back on that because i know you were trying to tell folks about it earlier

00:30:49.380 until i interjected no i was and when we were talking about like when you said the outside of

00:30:56.420 name when we talk about i i would say the story that all uh whether you're new or whether you've

00:31:03.220 been in for a very long time it's always about the correlation of the story of the binding of

00:31:10.340 fenris the binding of the of the wolf the the of chaos and of the element and um and we see

00:31:19.220 uh that this story does have perennial uh truths placed in it some people have speculated that this

00:31:25.940 meaning could have been um allegoric to the idea of the binding of the wolf being as like possibly

00:31:32.660 rome during the germanic periods when uh our folk were um dealing with rome and rome of course

00:31:39.700 being you know as uh with romulus and remus being the twin story of them being founded or

00:31:46.740 fed by a wolf um these are speculations and i i would say it's definitely worth like ruminating on

00:31:54.260 but um ultimately what what i think we're really seeing is uh the divine uh axis mundi the divine

00:32:05.540 ordered center um binding placing hedging off chaos but still again in in nordic fashion it's

00:32:17.780 always the ever presence and i think that that's not just nordic too i think that's also

00:32:24.260 very very airy and i think that's also well placed but you know when we see it a little bit more

00:32:29.060 clearly when we see the striker versus the serpent we can see that correlatively across the board and

00:32:35.700 it speaks and resonates with us um the survival of the idea of the binding of chaos or the binding

00:32:42.420 of a beast um that's not serpentine and involving not the striker um you know is a question of

00:32:50.580 of whether or not we see a shifting of dominion uh from perhaps a catalystic throne to a stasis

00:32:58.380 throne or something of this this nature i think that that's something that we could speculate as

00:33:03.200 well that culturally we're we're seeing a shift in the divinity uh domain and how we interact with

00:33:09.040 the gods um and this uh definitely plays out a lot with like the story of king nuata the silver hand

00:33:16.960 or the silver arm is more often, I think, spoken of, but where he loses his hand, where he loses

00:33:24.240 his arm, and he's no longer fit to be king until it's reforged later in the story. And by that

00:33:32.320 story, they're painted as mortals and chieftains of Ireland. But we see, again, this kind of

00:33:40.980 comparative sense of the twinning of these Aryan groups in which we see a dynamic or a

00:33:49.040 catalystic throne suddenly shifting to a stasis throne. And I think that when we talk about that

00:33:56.960 in the Teutonic sense, we can see the stasis throne as being that axis mundi, that being that

00:34:04.060 that pillar or perhaps the support beam that keeps heaven and earth um you know in alignment

00:34:11.880 and it together but separate there's a the the conduit between the two and in doing so once you

00:34:20.960 create that space between the two there needs to be a a vacuumist pullback of primordial life and

00:34:29.240 of primordial chaos so we see that in the nordic sense with with vanaheim being you know kind of

00:34:36.760 taken aback from from uh presence as heaven becomes far more established and then of course

00:34:44.600 we see jotunheim also kind of being taken aback and uh slowly filtering in its primordial building

00:34:51.960 blocks but it's kept away so i i i see the uh the story the binding of fenris is a as a another one

00:34:59.880 of those reiterated cycles in which we can see the importance of binding chaos uh and the sacrifice

00:35:07.800 or the the price that it takes um in order to ensure the safety of the hole all right so

00:35:18.200 got another question here uh i guess question comment from tony the king of bumbles

00:35:28.600 swan matt good to see you both how are we doing tonight and matt what do you think of my name

00:35:35.080 it's seasonal it's fun how you doing i'm doing well uh i'm i'm getting over the crud if you will

00:35:43.560 It was not going to slow me down this Yule. I've been very active. I'm still active in celebrating my 12 nights and doing bloat and all that stuff. But the beginning was very rough and I had to actually cancel. I had a small Mother's Night gathering here and I had to cancel because I didn't want to spread the plague that I was carrying.

00:36:11.000 so that was kind of a little bit of a damper but got right back into it and fought our way out of

00:36:15.880 it and things are cranking now so good deal yeah uh tony i'm broken record on it but i'm always

00:36:25.080 doing good uh having a great yule watching uh watch my daughter learn seems like she learns

00:36:34.600 new words about every day now and today we're we're transitioning her out of uh out of a crib

00:36:41.320 and into a big girl bed so we're excited about that she's doing awesome afa is doing amazing

00:36:48.120 uh life is good on my end and yes your name is festive um abominable snowmen are cool and uh

00:36:58.040 there's a huge inflatable uh bumble from that claymation across the street in my neighbor's

00:37:04.920 yard my daughter is fascinated about that every time we're out there in the evening

00:37:08.600 they uh they do it big across the road with the uh with the holiday inflatables

00:37:15.080 um josh asks and you will i will have you know josh that swan uh

00:37:21.640 foresaw this question would come up right before the broadcast. And sure enough, here it is.

00:37:28.400 I hope you are having a wonderful evening. Gentlemen, could you tell us about what you

00:37:33.880 may know of Ziza? So Svan, tell us about Ziza. Well, so one of the things that kind of I think

00:37:46.300 through there there is a mention in the adas of Tyr having a wife but is not mentioned um and this

00:37:58.720 happens not just only to him but to to others uh other uh gods in the stories and um so I think

00:38:06.580 that left an open-ended question as to whether or not there was a counterpart um into what

00:38:12.820 correlation that Tyr may have with a feminine divine being. And, uh, the answer of that kind

00:38:19.700 of came out, or I wouldn't even say the answer, the, the speculation of came out from Jacob Grimm's,

00:38:27.620 um, uh, marking of the, the, the matron saint or the, the, the, I guess it would be the patron

00:38:34.180 saint of, but, uh, uh, Sisa, the feast of Sisa in, um, I'm going to say this wrong. So I'm going

00:38:43.320 to look at it. Uh, is it hours hours Berg? Um, this is going to bother me. So I think it's,

00:38:54.620 it's hours Berg, um, the, where he, he mentions this and he correlates it because of the day

00:39:03.700 and placement that it has in correlation to tuesday and to to mars and so there was speculation that

00:39:12.180 she was a consort and that she had placement and this comes about i mean really when we look at

00:39:20.420 some of the fringe off testaments of of things and fragments that we're pulling from

00:39:26.580 when we hear about like the goddess nahelania in her relation to the gauls or perhaps to the

00:39:32.020 tootons of the area this is another one that's even again extremely far-reaching and i would say

00:39:39.380 honestly we're not at a point of understanding that correlation yet and i i would say it's it

00:39:47.380 would be um incorrect for someone to step in on that uh we generally have i think a a a mode of

00:39:59.860 going towards piety towards all the divine and not uh seeking to you know cram into hypostasis

00:40:07.140 or anything like that and i'm i'm not stating that we are but there's also just before that

00:40:11.460 a moment of trying to make sure that we correlate correct information and i i don't think that um

00:40:19.220 There's enough present right now to definitively say. I mean, I can't. I'm not a studier of Aarsberg and the correlative history.

00:40:35.400 So in that regards, I, you know, linguistically, when they're referring to Zisa and Ziu as the possibility of Tiu and Tisa, linguistically, I don't know how that would exactly pan out because there isn't actually a Tisa ever mentioned anywhere.

00:40:57.700 um this is i would say from our religious standpoint as the church goes i mean we haven't

00:41:06.260 fully stepped forward into that yet i think we're still probing and figuring that out

00:41:14.400 the placement of all of this i mean that's that's about the only honest answer i can give

00:41:20.480 so you know it's never uncomfortable or it's never comfortable to just be like I don't know

00:41:29.540 but I think that's kind of where we're at on it um the there's just not information on it

00:41:37.980 there's not archaeology on it there's not history on it there's not stories and legends on it but

00:41:45.620 But what I think is an important truth of this is, you know, for a relatively short

00:41:53.420 amount of time, historically speaking, we are reforging that bridge between us and the

00:41:59.500 gods.

00:42:01.180 We're doing that in a very specific way with our Hoffs that we're establishing and with

00:42:06.400 practicing the worship of these gods in a very overt way that I don't think's been done

00:42:15.220 large in large measure before one of the things that i'd like to uh i don't know throw out there

00:42:22.820 tonight for food for thought for people is that tear is the god we're going to be honoring with

00:42:29.780 a hof at siggerheim and so in the coming years and generations as we worship tear in a grand

00:42:40.580 and structured way, hopefully some of these things will be revealed to us. Hopefully this

00:42:47.800 kind of knowledge will coalesce into an understanding of it one way or another.

00:42:54.800 We very much believe that these gods are real and living entities that interact with us and

00:43:02.660 engage in the gift cycle. We reach out and we pray and ask for understanding of them and to

00:43:09.580 know them better and to know more of them. So in that process, perhaps we'll come to a better

00:43:16.100 understanding of some of these details as time moves forward. It's precarious when we're moving

00:43:25.840 forward and we're blazing new territory, but our ancestors all did that at some point. We're at a

00:43:31.640 point where we're blazing new territory in the worship of our gods, and we can't always fall

00:43:37.560 back on an ancient linguistic source or an ancient bit of archaeology some of this will develop new

00:43:45.080 for us as uh as the divine reveal themselves to us so perhaps at some point in uh in our future

00:43:55.000 maybe even in our near future we'll have a better a better answer to that but honestly right now

00:43:59.480 where we're at the best we've got is we really don't have enough to go on to speculate on it

00:44:05.320 uh two things on that too one i would i would say for people to understand is that uh right now

00:44:11.640 religiously when we look at wolden we look at the dynamicism of odin as odin moves through the world

00:44:19.560 and ignites the fervor within the folk we see a the the power and the majesty of dynamicism

00:44:27.160 And it does not mean that that's diminished by the uplifting or the understanding of the idea of stasis. And I think that Sigurheim in correlation to Tiershoff would be about establishing stasis, about establishing foundation, and then again, making that stabilization between the worlds.

00:44:53.600 And so that is very fitting in the sense of testament to placement, as opposed to the dynamicism and movement and the inspiration and the ecstaticism and all of the correlative power that moves through the folk through Vovin is always seen as movement, whether it's the wild hunt or whether it's, again, through the taking

00:45:23.580 up in the spilling of the mead from the beak as he's flying there's up and down and there's through

00:45:29.580 the into the chthonic realms of the underworld and uh into the middle worlds and into the into

00:45:35.260 the east and into jotunheim and and and throughout heaven there's tons of movement and so if people

00:45:42.620 get their mind out of it saying well by um you know establishing a a center around tiershoff

00:45:50.620 uh that somehow diminishes that that's that's ridiculous the idea is that that's two functions

00:45:57.740 of power you have you have the uh the sail and you have the stern you know it's it's these two

00:46:04.060 things need to have there's multiple parts that make the ship move and so one doesn't you know uh

00:46:12.860 diminish the other and i i think that when we look at the tripartites and when we look at

00:46:18.220 just the correlation between the gods in all arian people we see that there are componented parts

00:46:24.620 um that help create the hierarchy help create them the motion there is the the the heading

00:46:33.820 the piece the the form that moves us forward but there's other elements that help stabilize that

00:46:39.100 help create space help create um our ability to to have structure and i think that's just as

00:46:47.100 important, and we shouldn't see them as being antithesis to each other.

00:46:55.180 You mentioned earlier about bifurcation, and one of the things that

00:47:02.500 is, I think, very interesting about our faith and our mythos

00:47:09.860 is the balancing of different elements the sacred center doesn't take away from the importance

00:47:20.180 of the traveler or the explorer or the the hero or the god that goes out into the chaos to bring

00:47:31.900 things back for the folk or to go and explore new lands the two are are both not only important but

00:47:40.140 essential um sacred sacred stillness the idea of a sacred center and its relationship to the things

00:47:47.740 that revolve around it are very important to aryan mythos and i think it's a good times fun if you

00:47:54.300 talk to folks a little bit about the associations between tear the ermine soul and the north star

00:48:01.900 That was exactly what I was starting to move towards. You know, when we, we, the remembering of, I remember looking at something, someone was discussing it about the aspect of that there was no sky aspect directly connected to tear.

00:48:24.540 and i would say yeah absolutely in a nordic sense but in an anglo-saxon sense i would say no i would

00:48:29.420 say yes there is a a clear heavenly aspect and that that correlation is 100 laid upon the north

00:48:36.140 star um now it's worth noting in the runic poems that the movement of water in the mouth of the

00:48:43.820 river is clearly associated with odin and the idea of the estuary and the place in which things are

00:48:48.940 coming and going and there's there's there's uh again i hate to beat the drum but dynamic movement

00:48:56.700 and then there's a correlation to tiwas or tiwu as being the north star the the the one that guides

00:49:04.460 the or the one that maintains position in order for other moving parts to guide themselves or to

00:49:10.380 to anchor themselves and so the um correlation to the north star is definitely i would say

00:49:18.940 we're using mythological language to understand a point of stasis.

00:49:24.320 And the point of stasis is, I think, important.

00:49:27.600 It's a throne in which we do, wherever we go, wherever we move,

00:49:32.460 we always have a heading towards.

00:49:38.560 And so in that sense, when we see Tiir losing his hand,

00:49:44.280 And we see the dynamic or the catalystic power being diminished, and what's left is the upright holding of position.

00:49:56.200 Again, kind of reiterating this Aryan myth cycle of the king that cannot move or the king that cannot rule through action or through movement, but yet remains in placement as a moorhead or as a banner or a symbol.

00:50:15.200 And you can see that the stasis throne does share, I would say, like if we were to look at the stasis throne in relation to other gods, we could definitely see it with, say, like Heimdall.

00:50:27.520 I mean, the story of Heimdall moving to the Middle Earth is definitely a catalystic throne.

00:50:33.120 But when we also think of Heimdall, we see on Himenbjörg, high on the mountain, holding position, a moorhead that's watching and that we can see, and that occasionally there's a glimpse to him.

00:50:47.800 um so this again shows that these thrones can be shared these thrones can be um moved into so

00:50:57.960 seeing the ermine soul especially in its particular shape of the i the idea of the

00:51:04.420 spreading of the of the bows at the top with the strong foundation at the bottom the correlation

00:51:10.040 of the pole star and the pillar or axis mundi that keeps the earthly realm and the heavenly

00:51:17.380 realm in alignment i think is poignant towards understanding how tier is that um axio power

00:51:31.780 between the two worlds um and his stillness is what creates stability and whereas you know

00:51:41.380 especially by the late nordic period when we talked about olden being movement being uh

00:51:49.060 the lord of heaven and especially the lord of gladsheim and and of of the brightness of the

00:51:55.940 soul and of fame and of glory but he was also spoken of as being you know not not the best to

00:52:04.420 place your faith upon because of you might not understand the machinations that he's working in

00:52:11.220 and you could become you know a part of that and so it was uh understood even amongst the

00:52:17.300 anglo-saxons that the old father the old father and all father is he's doing things he's moving

00:52:23.860 about and that causes a an air of doubt or or a caution i would say whereas when we see with

00:52:34.340 tier we don't see that we see strict steady placement um and reliance even in the storm

00:52:42.820 even in the mist you can look and see the star holding its place within uh between heaven and

00:52:51.040 earth i was trying to um i had the uh on my side notes here i've got all these things like moving

00:53:01.580 around. So I'm trying to desperately move through them. And I was trying to find the rune poem,

00:53:07.860 the Anglo-Saxon rune poem that I had out. And it's terrible because I, uh, it's like, I'm,

00:53:15.220 I'm searching to find it. Um, and again, it's because the, uh, when we talk about the

00:53:23.760 interpretation, whether we're speaking in Anglo-Saxon or not, um, yeah, Tiu is the

00:53:30.540 guiding star well does it does it that's another point again by this time even though the rune

00:53:38.020 poems of the anglo-saxons are actually older than the viking or nordic period uh younger

00:53:44.600 futhark poems it a lot of people don't realize that the anglo-saxon poems were probably written

00:53:49.760 around in the 10th century so they're actually the older of the whole series um by that time

00:53:55.660 the Saxons were thoroughly converted. So they were speaking in the runic poems as kind of making

00:54:02.560 the gods more forces of nature and inanimate. And they do briefly mention, of course, God as in a

00:54:12.160 Christian sense in some of the runic poems. So just laying that out there, that those elements

00:54:17.480 are there but um you know does it keep faith with the princes um or the thanes i would say um and it

00:54:26.040 is ever on the course over the mists of night and it never fails and so i think that that again is

00:54:33.800 establishing stasis throne um and i think that's important that as we're talking about faith uh as

00:54:42.680 our as a people towards tier we can see that there is a stability there um a uh an ever

00:54:52.200 embarking presence that you can look to but is also then looking back and again that's where

00:54:58.680 it comes into the idea of uh adjudicating justice or witnessing deed um in order to determine whether

00:55:06.360 or not you get rightful uh reward or a rightful i guess turnabout based upon acting nobly um and

00:55:17.560 i think that's one you know deep correlative sense to tear as a divine being in relation

00:55:24.520 to us and the way i think that we should approach um worship to him you know while we're on it i

00:55:32.440 think it's worthwhile to talk about the concept of the unmoved mover and things rotationally

00:55:44.120 around a central axis in any kind of arian myth system the axis mundi is a key principle the idea

00:55:55.160 of there being a central pole the ermensel yggdrasil whatever the case may be that the

00:56:04.280 cosmos and things revolve around and i you know the the idea of the unmoved movers talked about

00:56:12.520 a lot by julius evelyn i know a lot of our audience and i'm a big fan of reading evo's work

00:56:19.480 But that's one of the big functions of rulership in in Aryan cultures is the idea of a sacred center that things revolve around the idea of a point of stability, a point that people can put trust, put faith in and build and rally around.

00:56:42.480 around. And I think Tyr exemplifies that. The idea of the

00:56:48.200 ermensel solidifies that the idea of the North Star, literally

00:56:52.500 all the cosmos from our perspective revolve around it.

00:56:57.840 And I think that says a lot. And if you look at, you know, any

00:57:00.900 of our say any, the vast majority of our sacred symbols, and

00:57:06.160 the symbols that are common amongst all Aryan pantheons, are

00:57:11.300 symbols of rotation around a central axis and without a central axis things don't

00:57:19.300 it doesn't work like that things don't rotate

00:57:23.860 it's very important it's one of the reasons that

00:57:28.500 now is the right time and we've decided to and now is not even really but

00:57:32.660 But two Hoffs from now, we will establish Tiers Hoff.

00:57:38.460 And the fact that we're establishing that Hoff at Sigurheim is significant because Sigurheim is that sacred center and is that home base that things emanate out from and that people can come back to that becomes a repository for all of that energy of our folk.

00:57:59.680 It's a place of refuge. It's a place of of of coming home to.

00:58:05.320 But it's also the source where we disseminate these things from the AFA to the world, to the cosmos and where we receive those things back in.

00:58:15.620 And the sacred center is essential in establishing, conceptualizing the idea of tear sitting on that throne and receiving and sending out those things and things revolving around him and around the stability he provides.

00:58:34.480 i think is a fundamental thought process to conceptualize

00:58:40.760 how we do the things that we do and just how we relate as the house of true folk assembly

00:58:50.400 to each other and to the gods in that way and i may sound like a lot of gobbledygook i'm not sure

00:58:59.020 it makes sense to everyone but it's it's a very important concept of having that sacred center

00:59:05.740 and and we see this in a lot of of arian myth cycles and sometimes people don't um necessarily

00:59:12.460 think of this as part of that myth cycle but i very much do if you look at arthurian legend

00:59:19.580 though it has very heavy christian overtones it was always denounced by the church and it is

00:59:28.140 deeply pagan in its symbolism and its meanings but it in perhaps a way that that other things

00:59:35.660 don't capture talks about that idea of the sacred center where things are run from and you know

00:59:42.140 arthur as well as the knights travel out from the sacred center and accomplish things but they have

00:59:47.980 that point of coming back home and of gathering and we see that in in our mythos as well in terms

00:59:55.340 of asgard and god's going out doing their things and returning to that place of judgment in that

01:00:00.540 place of administration and in that way i think it's that is very central to my conceptualization

01:00:09.820 of tear if that makes sense to folks yeah and i i would i would like to like piggyback on that

01:00:16.860 in the sense that when we look at say like yggdrasil in the root system the central point

01:00:22.220 of heaven with yggdrasil in the center of heaven there is a root system that moves throughout all

01:00:27.260 the worlds and all those worlds have an emanation point the wellspring and an an influx point which

01:00:34.300 is the root because the that's what roots do is they pull up so the idea is that there's an

01:00:39.180 emanation point and a pulling up point and we clearly see olvin is associated with understanding

01:00:45.980 the correlative center of heaven and i think that's also played about in the rune poem where

01:00:51.340 it speaks of odin being the the prince of heaven the prince of ausgard the prince of the of the

01:00:57.340 upper world but we also see uh tier as a central point um like an again the axis mundi centering

01:01:07.500 but that that is a correlative space between the material and the heavenly so almost as if like

01:01:15.260 there was a central access point in heaven and a central access point of the material to the

01:01:25.820 the heavenly is that we see that organization in tier and so i would i i would say because

01:01:32.300 most people think of like oh well um the axis mundi whether it's a mountain or a pillar or a

01:01:38.220 tree are always correlatively the same i would say that where they're placed and how they're viewed

01:01:44.460 also has deep uh understanding of their their uh purpose whether we see the axis mundi as the

01:01:52.540 foundational connection to the material to heaven and then we see yggdrasil as the correlative

01:01:58.220 center of heaven that spreads or circulates around through all the worlds and how those gods are

01:02:03.420 correlated to them when we see tio or tear in correlation to the pillar but we see oven in

01:02:10.460 correlation to the tree and to the um the root structure and the wellspring structure we begin

01:02:16.460 to see again stasis and foundation and strength and in immovability or we see dynamic movement

01:02:24.780 and the idea of the wellspring spreading out and the and the pulling up of power and energy from

01:02:29.340 all three worlds and the the relationships to that i think are reflective so i think that's

01:02:35.820 also important that we see we have been talking now for an hour and we have answered one audience

01:02:42.540 question and the reason we answered it because it was monetized so guys this kind of illustrates

01:02:48.540 why it is you know maybe worth it to you to dump a couple of bucks because you know we get me and

01:02:53.740 spawn talking about this stuff we can go on for a long time but i do want to get some of your

01:02:58.140 questions here real quick and i appreciate you guys being patient on those um i think it is

01:03:03.980 it is always a treat to uh to listen to witness fawn um break some of these down for us he's got

01:03:11.020 such a depth of knowledge on it and such a brilliant mind when it comes to this

01:03:16.140 uh sarah asks reading stories to the children such as the binding of finrar or even about uh

01:03:23.340 jormungand or slepner uh raise questions for the children and i'm interested in hearing how

01:03:30.060 you each would explain to curious children who ask how people the gods can give birth to children

01:03:38.940 to uh animals spawn what would say you on this um well i mean one of one of the beauties of

01:03:47.980 metanarrative is is that there are not rules that would follow uh logic um and i think children do

01:03:58.620 accept uh these things a little bit easier than i would say even adults do um when we talk about uh

01:04:12.060 elevating the gods in your child's mind um from people to uh more than people they're they're

01:04:21.180 the epitomes of of their of their dominion of of what they are and that might be overshooting

01:04:26.940 it for them but to say that they're not humans is i think the first step on that one is to say that

01:04:33.740 the gods are are more than that they're they're deeply magical and they have the ability to do

01:04:39.980 these things and it perhaps when they're older or like as my son is starting to uh head towards his

01:04:45.340 man making where we're tackling the concepts that the the gods are uh powers that are represented

01:04:54.220 represented in the stories by symbolism and by uh you know um

01:05:02.220 deep correlating factors in the story so i mean any person any adult that you go to and say you

01:05:08.700 know is jormungandr or or the serpent that the striker fights what is jormungandr and uh i think

01:05:17.020 any adult would immediately go towards um you know the the placement in in the middle in the

01:05:23.580 middle world in the material they would see things possibly tidal movements or or correlated to

01:05:28.940 gravitational pulls around the earth and so suddenly logically the adults are are placing

01:05:37.500 anchors and more heads on the power of jormungandr and perhaps try to you know wrapping

01:05:45.420 their brain around it um but with children they immediately go towards a serpent a snake a big

01:05:53.980 uh dragon or a big worm or um again worm throws the children off too because they think of just

01:06:00.300 worm worms um but we have to uh when we uh oftentimes i think during storytelling

01:06:11.020 when i speak of the gods and they they you know gave birth to a to a serpent how and it's like

01:06:18.940 that's that's the gods they're not human they're they're more than that there's so as a point as a

01:06:25.820 point of order the gods are not giving birth to animals loki is giving birth to animals

01:06:33.340 and loki is not one of our gods true and that yeah that's another correlative sense as well

01:06:40.960 is that when we see loki is always held with a sense of not rightness that i think even our

01:06:48.220 ancestors definitely held uh you know in in in it uh his mouth was bound which means again his uh

01:06:58.180 His active will in the in heaven and in the earth is seen as being staunched every time there is a production of an entity of force and of power.

01:07:09.660 It's in the form of an animalistic sense, and that I think our ancestors saw as being not in the Christian sense of like animalism being, I don't know what the correct words would be, but perhaps the idea is that it's not right.

01:07:31.140 It's not correct. It's off alignment that the gods produce better and more refined, whereas he produces or is the source of that which is, you know, misaligned.

01:07:47.060 And I think that that's important to paint in correlation to Loki and the production with the bearer of malice and Greboda and how our ancestors would have seen that as when it was being spoken of, just the kind of ugh about it that's carried with it of an understanding that these forces are chaotic, they're misaligned, they're primordial, so therefore they do take shape of animalism.

01:08:16.220 And I think animalism was seen as primordial. And primordialness isn't always better. I would say, especially to our ancestors, it was less forgiving. It was what you were striving against. You were trying to create space. You were trying to create your inner guard. You were trying to create your pillars in your house to uphold the roof.

01:08:38.920 You were trying to create food and create order. And the more that we went into the primordial,

01:08:46.960 there was always that reigning sense of danger that you could fall and not substantiate. And

01:08:54.820 that price is dissipation. That price is lawlessness and death and not good things,

01:09:04.760 the opposite of wholeness. So, you know, that's one important point, definitely, is pointing out

01:09:11.140 the misalignment of that, the creation of those primordial. And when we, you know, I guess it

01:09:21.360 could be open to debate when we talk about Fenris, when we talk about the wolf, when we talk about,

01:09:27.440 let's say, for instance, Hel or Hela, and linguistically, you know, there's been

01:09:32.060 um preposition or proposals that hella is you know by linguistics perhaps even older and when

01:09:38.720 we look at some of the uh death goddesses of other aryan branches we see some some similarities there

01:09:44.560 um but as we go from the teutonic and the last bastion of our of our uh folk we see those stories

01:09:52.840 clearly and so i would say coming from that point when we speak to the children one we have to tell

01:09:59.340 that the gods are the gods and the gods are way more and that loki and his relationship to the

01:10:07.340 gods produces things that are outside of logic and the and the children really seem to get that

01:10:14.780 and understand that a lot better um than even adults and um you know i think uh placing that

01:10:25.660 idea i know a serpent you know it produced a serpent that's that's terrible and i can tell

01:10:33.580 you it was up to no good and that clearly foreshadows again the great battle that's

01:10:39.500 going to be placed between the son of heaven and earth thor and jormungandr so foreshadowing that

01:10:47.420 is because not not because it needs to be is that our ancestors understood that as well

01:10:52.540 Well, that was foreshadowing a bad thing, a force that was not good.

01:11:01.380 You know, talking to kids, I would, I think it's important to make the point that our gods are, you know, in the realm of the gods, they have powers beyond our comprehension.

01:11:19.280 And they've got great magic and do these amazing, magical things.

01:11:25.520 Because I think that keeping the concept of us and our gods being related and of the same substance.

01:11:39.480 but as as steve mcnalen's kind of pointed out where our gods are a raging waterfall and we're

01:11:47.020 a trickle from a faucet our nature is connected because there are you know they are connected to

01:11:54.380 us by our very blood and our ancestry but there's so much more and keeping them really big and not

01:12:01.500 treating them as just people in the clouds is important um but one of the things i talk about

01:12:09.180 because again the the gods don't do that who does that is loki and loki uh i would describe to

01:12:17.100 children loki is an evil wizard and he's from he's from outside and he's an evil wizard that

01:12:25.340 does all kind of unnatural and diabolical things and that's how these these unnatural beings come

01:12:32.540 about um whereas when our gods are are inappropriate relationships with other gods they

01:12:39.740 produce you know they produce the next generation of gods so i think pointing out how other and you

01:12:47.740 know magical deviant wizardry that that loki possesses is uh is cool to that but the fact

01:12:55.820 that the kids are asking you know the fact that they're asking questions is awesome the fact that

01:13:01.740 they want to know more that they want to understand more about the story is really beautiful and

01:13:09.660 that's great that they're doing that um i'm really really glad to hear that that's that's fantastic

01:13:17.420 um good to see over on the side bode uh bode's breaking down some points about linguistics

01:13:22.860 on anger boda and i think that's a that's good to good to see um

01:13:32.460 our next question is from antonio good to see you again antonio uh for the vis visigoths in spain

01:13:43.500 what name was tier to them i am not even going to pretend that i'm super familiar with iberian

01:13:51.260 mythology um spawn what do you have any insight on what the the ancient uh visigoths in iberia would

01:14:03.980 would have known tier as well by the time the visigoths like had expanded westward into the

01:14:11.660 iberian peninsula uh there isn't much a testament i would say of their roots to um

01:14:21.340 you know to to uh say like a wodenaz or or godan amongst the lombards or or you know where we do

01:14:28.140 have like in the langobardic uh sense we understand that they called uh odin godan and um there

01:14:35.660 doesn't seem to be uh many attestments to that not i'm i actually was looking uh to try and

01:14:42.380 kind of hitting some sources where i wanted to see we do know that the visigoths moved uh from

01:14:48.300 the eastern side of italy so view italy as a as an up and down point they eventually moved over and

01:14:55.580 through the uh alps and and uh southern germany and into uh frankland or it was i guess i'm not

01:15:06.140 even 100 sure is this exactly frankland was even established at that point still might have been

01:15:11.180 very migratory but they eventually moved to the west the only accounts that i can say is that if

01:15:18.220 And if we look at the Goths or the Gutens, as they were called, the only last testament that I can find is when we look at the alphabet that Uphilas, the Aryan Christian, he clearly states the T letter as T was at that point and stage.

01:15:40.360 But that would place the Goths not separated, so there would not be the, you know, the Ostrogoths and Visigoths, and there would still be the, not the Theravingians, but I forgot, when they were still a correlative nation, that would be my only time.

01:16:03.060 But again, remember, we have an armoring from that same time in which it states that Jupiter is the god of the Goths. It's written in runic on there. So we already see that there was some synthesizing between the Germanic religion and the Hellenic Roman as they were dealing with each other quite extensively during that migration time.

01:16:28.540 So the only thing I could say is right now is Tiwaz. But when we talk about linguistics into that land and then you throw on Latin on top of it coming in later and again after the rise of the Holy Roman Empire, I would suspect that we'd have to look through, possibly try to find place names and see if there's anything that has survived in that area.

01:16:54.660 But again, the shifting from the T to the D, so a dios or deos or something of that, but that again gets lost in the shuffle when we realize that that word was applied to the Christian Yahweh God by the Latins.

01:17:13.860 So at that point, dios is kind of also, again, lost in the shuffle.

01:17:19.720 I don't know if you have any insight on that, but that's the only thing I can think of.

01:17:23.340 Well, I was initially taking the question to mean, you know, what point of Iberian European syncretism there might be.

01:17:31.840 But from a historical context, I think you're right.

01:17:36.580 The Visigoths certainly have a history of understanding and worshipping Tiwaz in a very ancient form going across.

01:17:50.120 When, I mean, predated to this, the Romans had always and steadily identified Tyr with Mars.

01:18:01.580 And, you know, I would assume that Visigoths in Spain during the late Roman period would have either known him as Tyr or as Mars Thingus.

01:18:13.700 um but that's the best i could come up with and that's if they were keeping to roman tradition

01:18:21.240 or to native germanic tradition it doesn't really speak of what they may have developed

01:18:27.200 in linguistically on their own as they separated from uh their brothers the ostrogoths and

01:18:34.320 and or any syncretism they found with the indigenous paganism in iberia that also

01:18:42.500 you know is of an aryan root so that's a very interesting question because that's where great

01:18:48.740 many cultures variants of arianism collided so i think that's i'm really curious and and if you

01:18:56.980 find the answer to that question i'd love to hear it yeah and i i was uh pointing out too that you

01:19:02.500 know the the foderati the um the germanic elements of the roman army uh constituted much of the

01:19:10.260 guttanish nation whether it was the ostrogoths visigoths um you know the heralds the rugis the

01:19:14.980 skiri um a lot of these groups had uh already kind of inundated themselves with what would be i guess

01:19:21.940 classified as arian christianism so not arian arian from the teacher arias in egypt uh the

01:19:28.580 gnostic school of christianity so it was deeply inundated by then especially by the time they

01:19:33.780 had moved over into the iberian peninsula they also had mixture with again roman uh polytheism

01:19:40.580 polytheism admixtured with germanic polytheism um arian christianity and i would say i guess

01:19:47.300 at the time would be like nicaic christianity because it wasn't fully formulated into the

01:19:52.580 catholic path but um pretty close and so that that that admixture along with their movement westward

01:20:02.100 causes a lot of confusion you know that's important it's one of the reasons that we um celebrate uh

01:20:12.580 the hero ethaneric and that that ethaneric is such an important figure

01:20:18.420 because he was kind of that last gasp amongst the goths of sticking to their our gods instead

01:20:28.580 of converting to that christianity that was being practiced in the roman empire of the time

01:20:33.860 so and that was before they they bifurcated and really established themselves in uh in spain so

01:20:43.060 a lot of them at least nominally or the ruling class spawns correct would have been uh would

01:20:48.900 have been uh arian christians at that time so it's such a that's i don't know if it was meant that

01:20:56.500 way but the question is absolutely fascinating so i'm curious about that and i'd love to

01:21:01.060 you know that makes me think and i'd love to know a little bit more about that

01:21:05.540 pam asks matt what is in your nords hoff colored can i did not realize it was nords hoff colored

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01:21:28.420 like that um i got it at uh costco and i already had the two that i prefer which one is a citrus

01:21:38.580 wheat and the other one was um uh i think it was described as slightly sour but i like sours and

01:21:46.020 that was really good anyways hazel little fangs all right i'm not a huge ipa guy

01:21:50.980 but uh i appreciate you know good eye on noticing your hof colors on my can

01:21:57.060 uh shay asks um

01:22:04.740 hymir's victa is such a great story and one that tear plays plays a part what can we learn from the

01:22:13.060 relationship between tear and heimer uh tear and his mother thank you hail victory swan what are

01:22:22.580 your thoughts again this is this this is another enigma that we're running into when we talk about

01:22:30.740 uh himersk vida and in relation to say like the scout scoper small or uh i'm probably saying that

01:22:38.180 that wrong now correct myself but just for right now shooting from the hip um the uh the difference

01:22:44.880 between the two is that it's clearly mentioned in in one huge and encompassing story that thor's

01:22:50.800 fishing trip as uh himerski that's often just referred to and it's easier that way um is uh

01:22:58.320 the the the fact that thor goes to get the cauldron um in order to place it within the

01:23:06.440 the middle world, the primordial ocean, they have to go to Hamer's domain, or his domicile in the

01:23:17.580 land of the Jotuns. And it's mentioned there that Tyr is the son of Hamer. And this, again,

01:23:26.460 is when you place it with the fact that later on it's stated that he's the son of Odin, that

01:23:32.760 generally people have to, they feel, I think if they're taking the Aedas to be almost,

01:23:39.140 um, uh, wouldn't say biblical, but definitive in that sense, then this causes a huge amount

01:23:47.880 of conflict. And I have generally placed it to the idea that perhaps Nori and a lot of

01:23:58.660 late poets of the time in iceland maybe they just didn't know exactly and so there is some stories

01:24:06.100 in correlation to that or a story correlating to that and then a story correlating to him being

01:24:11.380 the son of odin um however what we do see is the the majority of the interaction in that story is

01:24:19.460 between thor hemer and jormungandr and then eventually hemer again in inevitably his doom

01:24:26.980 and thor is the reason why they're why they're going into the primordial to gain this cauldron

01:24:34.900 and bring it back into the center world in into the middle earth um because he's the only one

01:24:40.980 big enough and strong enough to carry it and um i think that what we're we're seeing is again a

01:24:48.260 a connection point where we have the catalystic throne the striker god the one who walks amongst

01:24:54.260 the earth and amongst heaven um carrying a receptacle that is the i guess source of regenerative

01:25:03.740 life um but that that regenerative life is not uh contained it's it is it's again chaotic so the

01:25:13.780 cauldron representing again this central axis point within the primordial water uh is where

01:25:20.140 we're seeing the gods establishing order again in the center of something and when we talk about

01:25:28.620 Tyr in this sense I think people are grasping at certain things like they're saying oh well

01:25:33.920 uh Tyr isn't actually Tyr he's um he's another god and Tyr is the son of Odin and the Tyr that's

01:25:41.680 mentioned quite thoroughly in in uh himersqueda is not tear and i think that's um i think that the

01:25:51.840 the the lineage is more or less flawed not the story itself but that there was lineage

01:26:00.240 placed about for plot i think there is lineage placed about for understanding and again snorty

01:26:06.080 had a tendency that if there was something older than his ancestral period of like 900 to 1200

01:26:15.680 it was seen as elder it was seen as jotanish uh and we see that again with when we talk about

01:26:23.440 the jotain brides or the etan brides we clearly see the germanics worshiping nerthus but then

01:26:29.480 later on yarth is classified as a joten so there's i think some problems there in which

01:26:37.480 he's his titling is is confused based on the fact that he's so far after the fact but what instead

01:26:45.640 i would say we see a companion moving with the catalyst and we see um a connection again to

01:26:54.920 the elder the things before uh and i think even before the understanding of our poetics in the

01:27:01.960 late nordic period um and so we see uh thor and tear companioning together into the primordial

01:27:11.400 to attain the cauldron and i would bring to question is perhaps there might be some

01:27:18.280 confusion on the either the composers of the poems or even Snorty himself in in the relationship

01:27:28.020 between Tyr and that primordial place and so we see that a lot when we see there's kind of like a

01:27:36.300 a need or a necessity to create parentage and linkage and clan and oh we see this again with

01:27:43.440 with scabby and with uh you know and and three and the correlation to her father um there's the

01:27:52.400 necessity of parentage and lineage to create a a forward movement in the poem and um i would

01:28:02.960 i have always taken that to that is that there is the elderness of tier that snorri understood and

01:28:08.640 And that he correlated it to Jotun's because he correlated most everything that was elder to his time as being Jotun.

01:28:18.420 And Jotun was by that time seen more as an elder or as a thing that is long coming or long being.

01:28:26.580 and that it had moved away from the idea of the consumptive Jotun,

01:28:32.500 the Jotun that consumes, which is where I think ultimately the language it sourced from.

01:28:39.120 It went from something that consumes from the center,

01:28:42.340 trying to pull the center away to the old and everlasting thing

01:28:48.680 that the gods are also made of and related to.

01:28:52.380 Like as, you know, when we see the differentiation between Jotun's and the Aesir at that time, you know, did our ancestors see them as distinct and definitive different races?

01:29:08.420 i don't think they saw that i think they saw them as great forces but that had in intense or

01:29:18.100 movement in the grand scheme of all things uh they had a difference and that difference

01:29:25.780 one is good and one is bad and that there were there was a shifting sometimes where

01:29:30.820 you would see this um gravitation of the primordial forces understanding that

01:29:36.100 order was good and so you know that's where you see these etin wives if you will um and even having

01:29:44.100 being the mothers of the isir whether it's vali or whether it's uh vidar or you know um

01:29:52.100 you know it's uh or magna movie we see these these the etin bride powers so

01:30:00.980 to state

01:30:01.940 uh i i try to look at what him and uh he represents and especially in containment

01:30:11.880 to the cauldron the fact that he's uh by the sea and the sea is again he's in the primordial side

01:30:19.760 of of of things he's not in the middle he's in jotunheim and jotunheim is where things are not

01:30:26.020 material they're they're powerful and uh cosmic and huge and they're taking this cauldron from

01:30:35.140 that seaside state that water state land state they're moving it into the material world and

01:30:39.940 they're plunging it into the the one of the great sources of primordial power in the middle world

01:30:45.780 is the ocean it's the blood of emir it's the the the thing that has been here since the

01:30:50.740 be why when we see um you know there are there are things that are are longer lived than you know

01:30:59.780 they were around before the the dinosaurs or if you will and uh and have have remained even into

01:31:08.580 our state of things that the ocean is the one of the i i would say gateway points uh into the powers

01:31:18.020 of jotunheim and what those powers represent to the material and so they're bringing this

01:31:22.820 cauldron into the center plunging it and making a a anchor point in which the divine will then

01:31:30.580 come down and uh interact with maintaining that order through uh as it's described in

01:31:38.660 the story as as as feasting in ayers hall so that that when we hear the feasting in iris hall what

01:31:44.980 i think we should be like rolling around in our heads is where the gods show up they maintain

01:31:52.020 a consistent order um especially in in revolve or involving the material so

01:32:02.020 i i really think that hymir's true point in that story is more reflective towards an

01:32:09.380 antagonist towards Thor and a relinquishing of that primordial sea power from Jotunheim into

01:32:17.460 the material world and uh I think that Himera kind of represents that as well that he's the

01:32:25.940 the threshold that literally has to be destroyed in order for it to to be moved

01:32:31.380 and that's why i chose the story for the mural well you know of course um it's such a

01:32:41.040 prevalent story towards thor and his uh relationship with the balance of the middle

01:32:46.940 world the the the serpent being the thing that can kind of it stretches through and around

01:32:52.380 all manners it binds the you know vanaheim and uh niederweller and jotunheim and all of these

01:33:01.020 things are kind of together held by the gravitational pull of jormungandr and so that

01:33:08.540 being shifted and broken at that point and then heimer being slain and the cauldron being moved

01:33:14.420 from one realm to another and plunged into the center of the ocean i think there's a lot to be

01:33:19.980 said there it's just understanding that there's also story elements that our ancestors were

01:33:25.720 placing in there to create congruency and to smooth things out and that causes a lot of confusion

01:33:36.200 well i i appreciate that your knowledge of our lore is voluminous because i cut out there for

01:33:41.880 a good little for a good little while um battling the storm out here trying to get it figured

01:33:48.760 but yeah my thought on that flows right along with spawns um i think that the overarching

01:33:57.160 theme of importance to that speaks to the antiquity of tier and his lineage

01:34:07.800 as far as the generations of our gods go i think it reiterates the fundamental even though we see

01:34:15.320 tier very underrepresented in the norse sources it is acknowledged that he is ancient and that um

01:34:26.600 his uh lineage goes back to not just the jotuns but like the really freaky nine headed 900 headed

01:34:35.560 like abomination jotuns of of the previous age that are that are completely monstrous so

01:34:45.320 And that great venerable age of tear, I think, is expressed in that poem in a way that it's not in other sources.

01:34:56.880 yeah yeah if we look at the gods is like the uh fenris and and jormungandr and him here and all

01:35:04.320 of these things the gods inner inner acting with them and the power within the story is clear

01:35:12.000 it's just understanding that that story shifts through ages and those and those stories need

01:35:17.440 to be placed within a context and framework that works well for that age because it's the storyteller

01:35:24.080 and then the storyteller eventually becomes the skull or the in the poetic verse uh that's that's

01:35:29.840 formulated um is important so understanding that they we're not saying that these these things

01:35:37.760 didn't happen what we're saying is is that the context in which we're understanding them come

01:35:42.320 from a defined place and that i i think yeah it's important that we acknowledge that absorb it and

01:35:53.520 really really look into it but also understand it on it outside of those that slice

01:36:02.800 um all right our next question comes from buck is there a grand moral to tears tail with fenrir

01:36:12.320 how and what would be best put to pass to pass this on to the children uh i can see how we should

01:36:21.280 strive but i got confused at his failure to contain um to contain the wolf

01:36:33.520 so i think the fact that fenrir doesn't stay bound for all eternity is

01:36:41.840 you know what he what he's grappling with there swan what what thoughts do you have on the question

01:36:46.880 well one thing that we could say is why why don't the gods just slay fenris or why don't the gods

01:36:52.240 do this why don't the gods do that is because these powers represent other things outside of

01:36:57.680 that slice but for the story understanding what happens and i always bring up is that what happens

01:37:05.840 in a what happens in the out happens within and that the perennial truths of our stories

01:37:12.400 can apply in multiple levels multiple time frames and understanding that things are more spiraled

01:37:17.360 and compressed together as opposed to just a linear so when fear brings this form of chaos

01:37:24.720 into heaven it's much akin i think to uh what could happen within again reiterating what could

01:37:31.680 happen within a people or what could happen within an individual's soul or an individual's mind uh

01:37:37.680 these these applications are applicable like layers that you could look at and so when

01:37:45.200 tear brings this chaos into heaven there is a sense of its being benign and that it can be

01:37:51.440 controlled and then clearly it can't be and soon it becomes we have we have now a placement of

01:37:59.040 chaos has entered into the three levels we have hella in the in nivelheim and in hellguard and

01:38:06.560 in the lower world and it's very uh more a benign chaos it's it's outside of time then we see a very

01:38:13.600 controlled form of chaos in the middle world with jormungandr and now we have this injection of chaos

01:38:20.960 in heaven and what happens in heaven is just like with loki even though he's a foreigner he is now

01:38:26.400 in heaven the expounding power that comes from the heavenly state the upper world applies to

01:38:34.240 the gods but can also then apply to the nefarious forces that inject themselves there and we see

01:38:41.040 the growth of fenris becoming mighty and powerful in its in his station in the upper world and that

01:38:48.960 suddenly is no we cannot do that we cannot um allow him to exist so they have to bind him and

01:38:55.280 they specifically bind him in the middle realm in the black lake in the island in the east where

01:39:01.440 you know he he's in jotenheim he's he's taken out of the heavenly realm and placed into the

01:39:06.640 primordial um starting or churning place so that's kind of important to see those movements going on

01:39:15.040 he's brought up into the heavenly realm and he expounds because that's the power of the

01:39:19.680 gods expounds in heaven and that's where they become mighty and that's why they become mighty

01:39:24.640 is what they chose that place is because it cultivates their power and it is from them it is

01:39:30.400 them um and so when he goes in there he he sullies the benches and and it's said that he will sully

01:39:38.800 the benches again in Ragnarok with the blood on his chest and and so there's there's a lot of this

01:39:44.060 talk about the chaos being kind of injected we we see lower middle and upper and then it gets

01:39:49.300 drugged down back into it and rained and of course the story is is really uh dynamic with the the

01:39:56.560 the breaking of the chains the the three times again coming about and then the third time the

01:40:02.160 ribbon and the ribbon is being of course made by svartalfheim and the the uh the uh elemental

01:40:09.120 powers of the middle world they're not quite chaotic they're not quite primordial they're

01:40:13.680 actually more formalized and they create the binding agent that drags fenris back to the

01:40:19.680 middle and so i think it's important morally to state that there's two things one when you invite

01:40:28.080 chaos in it can expound itself especially when you see it as a benign element that you should

01:40:33.280 always be mindful of things that you bring in because the sanctity of an area can be greatly

01:40:38.240 affected by just the trite idea of having something you know else to accompany in the moment and then

01:40:44.960 it ends up creating problems and sometimes that means the overall moral is that when you do

01:40:54.400 something like that you have to own up to it and owning up to it could cause a severe

01:41:00.960 uh dilapidating effect upon where you were going uh that it creates you from being movement to

01:41:08.240 stasis it from from being high to being locked into place and and that sacrifice that you make

01:41:16.720 should be done immediately and without any air of doubt because you have in essence initiated it

01:41:25.680 you must then place yourself upon it to end it so i think that's the moral point is the the

01:41:31.440 The bringing about or being an entry point for cathartic and chaotic force and consumptive force, in order for you to lock that down and drag it back and out, it requires a great sacrifice.

01:41:49.020 It requires much of you, and in order for you to rectify it, you have to place that price, oftentimes the ultimate of prices.

01:41:58.080 So I think that's the moral that I get from it. And then I try to explain to my children is that to rectify a wrong, sometimes it requires a huge sacrifice on the self. So we should be mindful before that becomes a point that is necessary.

01:42:19.080 necessary yeah i think um i think there's you know a number of morals to take from the story

01:42:30.760 um i think one certainly is vigilant is vigilance and staying on your guard

01:42:40.040 and being aware that just because something is

01:42:42.520 just because something is seemingly finished you always need to stay on your guard and stay

01:42:50.040 vigilant because permanence isn't really a thing so always staying on your toes

01:42:57.160 always keeping watch is really important i think another thing that's important is

01:43:06.760 the cost of

01:43:08.600 making oaths and holding holding to an agreement even when it's unpleasant

01:43:18.120 and i think this really needs to be internalized amongst our children

01:43:22.600 because this uh you know first first and second generation of also true have a hard time getting

01:43:28.680 it in their head it's very very easy to be brave or to make big grandiose oaths

01:43:35.560 when there's no consequence to it. But there's something different for you to be willing to

01:43:43.680 literally put your flesh in the balance of, you know, this needs to happen for the good of the

01:43:52.440 gods and for the good of existence. So I'll sacrifice my hand. I think the idea of permanent

01:44:02.540 consequence to choices that we make is particularly important to children for them to understand.

01:44:12.260 And I think it preps them for a lot of the sacrifices that adults make to stand up for

01:44:19.880 things they believe or to make the world a better place. Very often that comes at great consequence,

01:44:26.760 sometimes, you know, horrible disabilities, sometimes paying with their life for them

01:44:33.940 to go out and stand up for something that they believe in or to protect

01:44:38.680 things and people that they hold dear to them. I think this can help prep them or understand

01:44:48.360 when we have guys that come back from deployment that maybe don't have arms or legs or are really

01:44:55.500 badly damaged some of the lessons of this tear story i think speak to that and help that be

01:45:05.820 relatable to uh to children if they're prepared for that in a way i didn't mean to make it super

01:45:11.580 grim but i do think that's a that's a lesson from it that is valuable and will help kids to

01:45:18.620 to understand things that they see you're seeing things that they experience um

01:45:25.500 A question from Vlad. Approximately, how old are these gods? How do you answer that, Svon?

01:45:34.880 uh i i pondered that question actually uh and and i think it's very convenient that we could say

01:45:46.440 well you know time to the gods is different than time to humans um perhaps we could look at anchor

01:45:53.520 points in our in our history i remember seeing this uh this thing about uh you know like the

01:46:00.820 climate of the earth and the ice ages and and the floods and and these things and correlating the

01:46:06.600 stories to these moments in history the the idea of the primordial ages of the earth and the the

01:46:13.300 destruction of the earth or i would say the destruction of the earth as we as it was and

01:46:19.280 then the remaking of the earth into a new um and the the the dawning of a new life on earth and

01:46:29.080 these these things um i would say are again representative of the material when we talk

01:46:36.760 about the middle world we talk about the middle world as people think of it as positioning but

01:46:41.720 we also think of it as perhaps um the application of time is is prevalent within the middle that uh

01:46:50.520 time and gravity and uh cosmic machinations the the rotations of all things everything has its

01:46:57.080 place within the middle and the further we get away from that middle the concepts of what is

01:47:03.400 old or ancient or timeliness ceases to be an understood thing and i think that that's just

01:47:12.920 something that we have to correlate with is that we can't place an age and especially with myth

01:47:22.920 myth doesn't work that way it's not like a a historical written um uh book or or a tablet

01:47:33.160 or something of that nature instead it's timeless and it evolves as it goes through time and uh it

01:47:41.160 it harkens back to a uh an age of or an idea of understanding about concepts that we can can't

01:47:48.280 really wrap our heads around with the processes of what we understand in the middle we understand

01:47:55.720 day we understand night we understand the rise and the fall of the waters and the mountains and

01:48:01.400 these things that we see uh but do the gods necessarily measure themselves in that regards

01:48:09.560 um i would i'm not going to speak for the gods but i would i would assume that they don't

01:48:19.000 correlate uh their environment the same way we do and um that's part of their

01:48:29.240 of their placement so to say how old the gods are this is to say exactly how uh

01:48:37.400 what is time and how old is time and what constitutes time we know now even as humans

01:48:44.440 the further we get away from the planet time becomes um not a definable thing uh there's been

01:48:53.600 you know movies and books and things you know tackling that subject i think that's all very

01:49:01.160 interesting stuff and i think that the gods don't exactly uh abide by that but yet understand it

01:49:07.260 because their intimate connection to the middle um i can't give an answer to that i i wouldn't want to

01:49:20.060 my daughter sleeping in her big girl bed like a boss

01:49:23.900 um proud of her she's making advancements today ah that did oh there you go maybe you

01:49:30.300 can see it on it i snatched it away quick you get the idea anyways um

01:49:37.260 And it's, yes, Fawn talked about a lot of elements that go into this.

01:49:42.720 What I think subjectively, it depends on what certain people mean when they ask the question.

01:49:51.300 From the question of the faithful, we're treating this with piety.

01:49:56.420 And our question is, how long have these gods existed?

01:50:00.960 When some people, and I've been asked this by other parties, so this isn't necessarily a reflection on the person who asked the question, but some people ask the question in the sense of like linguistically or how long historically have these gods been attested to?

01:50:19.320 And I think they're two very different questions. So the truth of the matter, these gods have existed at the very minimum, as long as we have existed as a people, as a race, as a species.

01:50:35.240 um how long before that i don't think that we know and i don't think that the answer is knowable

01:50:44.660 um there's a lot of chicken and the egg things that come with that the deeper you ponder the

01:50:49.900 mysteries of the vastness of the universe you know how old is is the universe what came before

01:50:57.740 the universe what was before that what was you could ask certain questions ad infinitum

01:51:03.660 And you don't get a true answer to them. But the fundamental relationship between us and our gods existed since the very spark of divine consciousness awoke in our soul.

01:51:18.680 And that is far beyond the ice ages and in the very deep recesses of time and, I don't know, geological time at that point.

01:51:35.320 um linguistically uh our gods are attested in some identity well i say linguistically that's

01:51:45.280 not fair archaeologically our gods are attested in

01:51:48.760 neolithic the neolithic period i mean pretty much as far back as we have

01:51:58.120 of human representational art. I mean, we don't see as much in, you know, the hunter-gatherer

01:52:07.960 period where most of the art is depicting animals, but pretty much as soon as figure

01:52:15.420 was depicted, there's figures that are very closely associated with our understanding

01:52:22.400 of the gods um one thing that's kind of interesting and uh i'm sure there's some really specific word

01:52:32.480 for these but we've all kind of seen these so okay the time i've been to uh scandinavia twice

01:52:39.680 both with the afa one time i was in denmark and the other time i landed in norway was there for a

01:52:45.040 very small amount of time and then spent the bulk of my trip in sweden um in each case

01:52:52.400 the vast majority of the things that we saw and and looked at there weren't things from the viking

01:53:00.800 age at all many of the things we saw were from you know what's known as the celtic period but

01:53:08.320 much more so things we saw were from the neolithic period were literally stone age things and

01:53:15.520 carvings a lot of the rock drawings in uh in sweden that we looked at and you guys may recognize

01:53:23.600 them they're always these you know bright red carving drawings in in the rock face and you know

01:53:31.360 that red's not original it's not a thing it was put in there in later times so you'd be able to

01:53:36.480 clearly see these very very eroded very ancient drawings but even within that in a very very

01:53:44.160 ancient period you see depictions that are identifiable with our faith and our divinities

01:53:55.360 and so it's really fascinating in that sense so you know yes these gods are ancient and they

01:54:01.280 predate or at least go to the dawn of our existence but they're they're attested to

01:54:08.720 religiously an art to pretty much the dawn of figure of human figurative art uh

01:54:18.560 yeah that's the best answer i have to to either way you want to want to go with that question i

01:54:23.920 hope it addresses what you were trying to get out of it um gothi trent east asks which of the

01:54:31.280 ten noble virtues does tier most embody hope you gentlemen are doing well i'm doing fantastic

01:54:38.320 swan which of our our 10 virtues do you think that tier most embodies

01:54:45.680 honor uh whether we can use the word honor we could also use the word ara in or era

01:54:54.240 um and the idea of nobleness and uh corrective action and the attainment of deeds and this kind

01:55:05.920 of goes along actually with the previous question because i was thinking about some things um when

01:55:12.000 we talk about the idea of age if uh if we have two people who are of the same age and somebody comes

01:55:17.920 up and asks how old they are we are correlating to two things one perhaps the idea of how long

01:55:24.800 they might live and also when they were born but what ultimately we understand is that time

01:55:30.960 doesn't necessarily there's chronological time and there's biological time again time is now

01:55:35.920 even in in the material world starting to bend and that's based upon a lot of the way our deeds are

01:55:42.960 done if you have somebody who's you know i you know i'm in my mid-40s so if somebody's the same

01:55:48.320 age as me and they have lived uh a reckless life or perhaps they have done deeds or found themselves

01:55:56.080 in places and exposed to things or done things whether good or bad sacrifice or uh avarice

01:56:03.520 on themselves it can reflect on them biologically uh and and it could even usurp their chronological

01:56:11.500 age to where they look older um so i was thinking about that how time and that question about the

01:56:17.420 gods and their their uh correlation to cosmic deed and cosmic interaction and what makes them

01:56:25.120 perhaps maybe more youthful than the jotuns but um this also applies to what go the east is saying

01:56:31.800 is that in essence, I think it's deed that correlates the effect of the world around us

01:56:40.940 and how we project ourselves forward into the world. Our decisions lead to that. And when we

01:56:46.820 make deed, we then accumulate a reputation and that reputation takes the form of honor and that

01:56:55.220 honor has to beget itself and it can be lost it can be sacrificed it can be maintained

01:57:04.420 but whichever way or any way that that goes it goes through deed and so i think that the honor

01:57:11.540 maintenance and the sacrifice of and the redemption of honor all take place within

01:57:18.180 tear especially with again talking about the moral of that story the binding of the wolf to me the

01:57:24.260 The virtue would definitely be honor through deeds, sacrifice, maintenance, and redemption of, or loss of.

01:57:40.500 It's tricky because so many of our virtues are embodied in that.

01:57:52.000 i think honor absolutely i think courage the willingness to put your sword arm in the jaws of

01:58:00.320 the wolf and to go through with that it's really easy to say you're going to do something but to

01:58:05.680 remain still and hold it there and let that actually be the case that follow through is uh

01:58:15.120 says a lot but i think spawn's right that honor is the the ultimate one i think truth

01:58:20.320 also speaks to it um but yeah i think i think honor and honor in in both senses of the word

01:58:32.480 in the dignity of following through with commitments and handling things nobly

01:58:42.960 but also in the sense of being of immense worth to your community and to your folk

01:58:51.740 the rest of the gods didn't have the courage to do that the rest of the gods who are

01:58:59.840 literally gods that embody these virtues he was the one that stepped forward to to make

01:59:07.600 that sacrifice and to pay the bill that, you know, to pay the cost for what the rest of the gods

01:59:14.560 decided upon. He, he paid that. And so I do think that honor is probably the virtue he speaks to

01:59:21.300 the most um next question uh is it jormungandr connected to the kundalini energy wells cauldrons

01:59:37.620 and drawing up uh power to power as you more or less say sorry i read that horribly uh is it

01:59:46.100 connected to the kundalini energy wells cauldrons and drawing up power as you more or less say

01:59:55.780 is that related to yormungand

02:00:01.380 it's fine do you have thoughts on that i i actually i mean yes i kind of referred to it

02:00:08.420 before as the the boundary the the gravitational pull of all things connected the the the east

02:00:15.220 and the west and the the the south and low i'm talking about like svarthalfheim and the in the

02:00:22.080 material or the the um whether it's are in the lofty heights of leosafheim these things are all

02:00:27.960 bound and so again yes uh the the brimming edge the the containment um and and the rest the

02:00:35.920 receptacle in which things are are built up within um yes i think jormungandr does definitely

02:00:41.920 represent that uh that power um and again what that means when it when the edge when the rim

02:00:48.880 when the cauldron or when the goblet is broken when the chalice is cracked there's a lot there

02:00:55.500 uh and there's also the the idea of when those that force of power and that collective space

02:01:01.360 is uh building might as a and releasing and what it takes to reconnect it again in order to build

02:01:11.320 and rebuild that that power yes i i would agree um yeah in a way that's i would see it as a again

02:01:19.400 boundary of of placement and containment see i i look at it from a little bit different angle um

02:01:27.640 I don't think it is an exact correlation. I think the idea of the serpent

02:01:40.360 in its most basic sense certainly does have a relation to it, but

02:01:51.780 the kundalini in my understanding is mastering the serpent and i think that any of the serpents

02:02:03.140 in our lore could be interpreted as that you see um nidhogger is at the base at the roots

02:02:11.180 of the world tree so summoning the serpent from the base of your internal world tree as it were

02:02:20.340 from the base of your spine summoning that up bringing the serpent of chaos under the mastery

02:02:31.620 of will and consciousness and riding the dragon as it were i think is more of an idea about the

02:02:43.140 kundalini i think that in our myths you see battle between forces of consciousness

02:02:51.380 and and that chaos that's often exemplified as a serpent

02:02:59.140 but you see a transition where there's there's something more there's something over top the

02:03:03.860 serpent there's something directing the chaos and i think that summoning that that energy

02:03:11.620 and then forging that by will is seen throughout our mythos and so i don't think jormungand in its

02:03:20.900 encircling constricting chaos devouring state is is relevant to it what i think the relevance

02:03:31.540 in the kundalini is summoning that chaotic force and putting it to the will of order

02:03:39.060 and it's a it's a really subtle thing but there's plenty of references to it in hermeticism

02:03:45.640 and in a lot of our western tradition is the idea of bringing the chaotic

02:03:50.540 under control of the will under control of the astral and i think that's a large part of

02:03:57.660 that whole practice um

02:04:03.740 if that makes sense and i know this is kind of out there for some folks that may not be

02:04:08.380 be versed in it or be familiar with some of the concepts but but i think that is

02:04:13.300 it's not the serpent energy it's the serpent energy under the direction of will that equals

02:04:23.740 that kundalini magic and i think that so much this doesn't relate to the serpent at all in a

02:04:31.180 literal sense in our lore, but I think so much of that concept is displayed by Odin with the

02:04:38.920 destruction and reshaping of the world from the chaos giant Ymir, or the very idea of the chaos

02:04:47.940 that's contained within Ganunga Gap being extracted and then put to order to make our

02:04:58.160 existence so that mastery over chaos i think speaks to it a little bit more directly

02:05:06.800 something that you did say too about when we talk about the lower roots and we talk about nido good

02:05:11.360 and the the eating of the root at the base we have the wellspring which is let's say in the

02:05:18.240 internal sense the wellspring of the lower the bottom is the wellspring out is is uh the natural

02:05:25.280 law of of uh the creation of the rivers the creation of of the primordial sense the that be

02:05:32.560 that would that which is tied and we see that the in that need hogar is gnawing at the root

02:05:37.680 the benefit of that to come up is being not about so i've always taken that too to mean uh that that

02:05:44.240 gnawing is a loosening or an untethering and a total and loss of control of the wellspring of

02:05:52.480 of the lower half of the body of the lower base and so losing yourself to base elements whether

02:05:58.540 it's um you know the uh the i guess the primordial senses of um degenerative desire that can lead

02:06:09.120 people astray it's because that root has been severed and i've always taken jorman gander to

02:06:15.300 mean of the of the center of the constriction and the tidal pressment of the breathing and then

02:06:20.620 seeing Odin as a serpent going into Suttung's mountain

02:06:24.980 and the correlated sense of the breath

02:06:29.000 and the speech and the thought of the three

02:06:32.960 cauldrons coming out of the top of the mountain, thus

02:06:36.460 bringing enlightenment through ascendancy as when he comes out

02:06:40.980 of the top of the mountain. We're talking about symbolically within the body

02:06:44.000 those kind of forces. When you brought that up, I was like, oh,

02:06:48.600 totally took me off into a different thought pattern so well absolutely but i think it's

02:06:56.600 worth noting that the serpent transforms into a more noble animal once it's under mastery

02:07:04.280 right once it ascends to the top of the mountain then it flies away as an eagle

02:07:09.320 odin takes eagle form flying back taking that uh that sacred um that sacred mead back to

02:07:17.160 back to asgard so it's that transfiguration of it that that i think is an extra layer that

02:07:24.200 that goes beyond just the serpent imagery um antonio says another question is during the

02:07:32.760 viking age berserkers slash of head nars were animalistic people do they use finris to be

02:07:40.200 connected what are your thoughts spawn on any any connection there uh i mean we don't have any

02:07:50.920 particular uh connection like when we talk about the berserker and the idea that they may have

02:07:57.080 meant that they wear no shirt that they're bare or that their connection to a physical like a

02:08:03.080 bear and i think that comes from uh uh hurlf krakis saga about battle bjarki and his is uh

02:08:10.760 the the the bear shape that he uh spiritually takes in the battle um and and then of course

02:08:19.560 um yeah we do see this base animalisticness but there's no like one for one in correlation to

02:08:26.840 Fenris. I would say, if there is, it's still a testament to warning, because every mention of

02:08:36.280 the Berserks or every mention of the Ulf Hithnar, including in Hrolf Krakis and with Battlebyarkis,

02:08:43.240 this recklessness, this over mint fervor to a statusism that leads them often to ruin. And

02:08:50.200 And I would say that it has more correlation to, say, perhaps a – I don't know if you can still hear me.

02:08:59.720 My side's dropping out now.

02:09:02.680 I don't – that it's correlating to an animalistic nature about consciousness.

02:09:10.660 And that, I think, has, again, more merit towards Odin.

02:09:15.740 but when we talk about Fenris and what Fenris is, after he is bound and placed within the middle

02:09:21.420 world, the sword that's placed in his mouth, again, correlating to the hand of Tyr, the hand

02:09:27.420 of Tyr is in his mouth, the sword is in his mouth, but the slavering poison of his mouth

02:09:31.980 is infecting the world, is infecting through the rivers that boil and venomize into the middle

02:09:38.380 world. So I would say, if anything, it could be a testament to warning that going down that path

02:09:43.980 too far can lead to you losing the order of yourself and that would be seen as not good

02:09:51.500 and again when we we talk about the the wolf demons that prowl upon neither uh nastron and

02:09:59.420 these these consumptive uh creatures that that eat those that cannot pass through into the realm

02:10:07.740 through pass through the realm of death and into the the veil of the ancestors they get consumed

02:10:12.860 and then in essence turn into that themselves and become mindless and lost and they are the ones

02:10:19.580 that will you know arrive uh from naustrand up into ragnarok so again a warning whether

02:10:28.620 i would say in correlation to to fenris and i mean it's even a warning through odin when we talk

02:10:34.220 about gary and freki and the idea of consumptive gluttony and consumptive just desire these are

02:10:41.420 again always held with the caveat of a deep warning that you let these things go you may end

02:10:47.340 up down a road where you become the thing that needs to be bound and there's going to be men

02:10:53.420 noble men that are going to have to stop you that's always kind of been in the air of those

02:10:58.940 stories. So I think that we need to be careful of when we try to think of how to how to make this

02:11:15.560 makes sense. Every wolf isn't Fenrir. Every snake isn't Jormungand. The reason that those beasts are

02:11:31.820 in the shape that they are is because of the nature of what those beasts are and how our

02:11:38.740 folk understood them more than it is the other way around um Fenrir is depicted as you know if

02:11:49.780 if we travel far enough you know if we go over the the rainbow bridge we're not going to find

02:11:55.780 a jumbo wolf tied up and I think that we take it too literally when we get to that point the idea

02:12:03.940 of the wolf was that ravenous devouring nature um as spawn mentioned odin has two wolves of his own

02:12:13.380 that you know are are passive and and docile under his direction the primal is under the supreme

02:12:21.700 direction of odin's will the master of ecstasy is able to keep these beasts at bay and and utilize

02:12:29.860 and master them and we see odin's relation to ecstasy in the the berserker and the old hednar

02:12:38.100 in in that very way they are overcome with ecstasy on the mission that they're doing they're kind of

02:12:46.820 inverse of odin and that he's the master of ecstasy they are mastered by ecstasy when they're in their

02:12:53.060 their animal form and their animal guys but those cults were always associated with the all father

02:12:59.220 And it would be strange for them to have some kind of relation to Fenrir, which is, you know, the, the, the, the nemesis of the Allfather. So I think that would be a little bit misleading.

02:13:12.940 You know, when we think about snakes and their venomous nature, we don't know that snakes are venomous from the tale of Jormungand. We know the nature of Jormungand because we understand snakes.

02:13:27.240 And I think that that's an important way to understand these things, because our myths, and I've said this time and again, are not literal in the sense of Fenrir being, you know, literally lupine or Jormungan being some actual breed of snake.

02:13:48.520 These represent vast spiritual forces that don't have the shape of mundane animals on the earth.

02:13:57.240 um just a thought on that uh josh says gothi thank you for answering my previous question

02:14:05.220 wonderfully can i ask do we know about the origin of tear thing and does tear have a role

02:14:14.800 with Odin and the Einherjar?

02:14:18.460 Spot, you got thoughts?

02:14:20.580 Ooh.

02:14:25.660 Could you take that one first?

02:14:27.420 Because I need to look at one thing.

02:14:30.180 Oh, you got me, Josh.

02:14:34.480 So, wait.

02:14:35.900 Go ahead.

02:14:36.240 Going back to the latter part of that question,

02:14:39.360 um in really it could uh the latter part of the question with Odin and the Einherjar

02:14:48.840 uh I don't it's how can you read that question again is that possible to be sure gothi or okay

02:14:56.100 anyways can I ask do we know about the origin of Tyrfing and does Tyr have a role with Odin and

02:15:03.780 here you are okay so that latter part of the question in relation to and i kind of hinted

02:15:10.020 towards it before uh when we look at and this is where i when we talk about like mercury or uh

02:15:19.700 mercurius and and the psychopomp and we talk about the connection perhaps that tacitus was seeing in

02:15:25.620 relation to Odin or to Odin or to Wotan. We see the correlation between the death of the warrior

02:15:33.860 as an individual, the soul and the being chosen by the choosers of the slain, the manifestations

02:15:41.880 of his will. And so I think that there is actually a distinct difference in that. And I don't think

02:15:50.120 that there's a correlation between Tyr and the Einherjar. I think that the Einherjar are

02:15:56.300 deeply connected to Odin and his placement. I think that Valhalla, or the Hall of the Chosen

02:16:08.840 Slain, are in essence being placed within Odin. Odin's Hall is within himself, that they are

02:16:18.700 in essence being joined with the might of him with the correlation that he's he has chosen them to

02:16:24.280 ascend um at whatever time he chooses to ascend them um but tear correlates more towards um i

02:16:35.260 would say again deed and the outcome of victory and what that pertains to in the physical realm

02:16:43.600 what that pertains to the spirit of a nation or the order and the way in which it will

02:16:50.040 applicate itself in the future. And loss and victory doesn't always necessarily correlate

02:16:57.520 to an immediate end stop. That it's more of an evolution of understanding that perhaps the loss

02:17:05.320 is attained in order to gain the victory later in understanding a key element that needed to

02:17:10.760 be shedded off. That would be the realm of Tyr. And I think that applies not so much to the

02:17:16.220 individual as it applies to the grand collective whole of the nation or of the tribe or of the

02:17:22.820 people or of the army that's on the battlefield, if you will, if you want to take it to just

02:17:28.580 in that moment. We see him and his correlation more connected to, I would say, the heavenly

02:17:36.480 power of battle and war and the outcomes of those decisions and deeds and victories and losses

02:17:42.320 and then we see the individual soul and the ultimate collection of that pertaining to the

02:17:48.560 further and greater battle that heaven must have and take place um you know through the evolution

02:17:56.500 of of of the world of of our worlds and so um i definitely see a separation between the two

02:18:04.820 when it comes in correlation to the Ein Haryar.

02:18:08.480 I've always been pretty clear on that

02:18:12.800 in the sense that I definitely think

02:18:14.460 that if we try to move Tyr

02:18:18.300 and his placement of battle

02:18:19.920 outside of the collective,

02:18:21.860 we start to, again,

02:18:23.460 infringe on the dynamicism of the soul

02:18:25.480 that the individual has in place

02:18:29.040 with the All-Father, with Odin,

02:18:31.100 who is the source of the breath.

02:18:32.700 And so we start to see the difference between stasis and dynamicism on a battlefield at that moment. You can see the two functioning together. But yes, that was my correlation for the last part. I wanted to slightly wing around on something.

02:18:58.980 so the sword tear thing um the origin do we know anything about the origin of tear thing

02:19:12.060 do you mean the name or the sword sword is made by dwarves and cursed

02:19:17.880 um so the origin of tear thing is dwarfs making stuff out of metal but as far as etymologically

02:19:26.940 means tears finger um and that in my understanding could be literally

02:19:38.200 our god tears finger or the finger of the gods if tear is used in that sense

02:19:45.240 um and i suppose in a way and this is something i wanted to get spawn to talk on a little bit here

02:19:56.100 is in Tyr's correlation to Mars,

02:20:03.380 it's tempting to tie that

02:20:05.520 into the concept of the sort of Mars

02:20:08.720 that I believe Attila wielded

02:20:12.020 that he found in a mystic way.

02:20:17.240 Svahn, what,

02:20:19.200 because we don't see a lot of it

02:20:22.200 in our own primary source lore,

02:20:24.780 What are your thoughts on Tyr as the war god and his relations to Mars in the Roman pantheon?

02:20:33.700 Well, and I just wanted to, the reason why I wanted to loop back real quick,

02:20:38.620 remember the question about what Tyr's name would be in the Iberian Peninsula with the Visigoths?

02:20:44.700 Well, one of the groups of the Visigoths was the Tarvingi.

02:20:49.340 I was thinking, I even said like the Merovingian or the Carolingian.

02:20:54.780 i was i was pulling up the wrong um place name there there and so when when this question came

02:21:01.980 up i was like oh light went off um the uh the uh the two houses of the visigoth um body when they

02:21:12.940 moved westward they created books of law and one of them was the the um the uh i'm gonna say it

02:21:20.940 wrong so i'm looking for it now again the um the the the tervingi the tervingi is uh there there's

02:21:35.180 two houses that the visigoths split into uh when they finally moved westward and by this time they

02:21:42.860 were correlated with arian christianity and were settling in the iberian peninsula but the tervingi

02:21:48.860 were a a split in within the visigoths and so when you were talking about tyrfing i was like

02:21:55.980 oh wait there's a correlation there um and so one i think to answer a question possibly even further

02:22:03.660 back is that uh ter t-e-r may be a place name that you might want to look for involving with

02:22:11.100 the books of law in the visigoths with the the tervingi split and their codex of law that came

02:22:19.020 about and then was eventually usurped by the carolingian or carol carolingians oh um they're

02:22:28.540 the rise of the of the the merovingians carolingians and the the groups of those dynasties

02:22:37.580 in the west iberian peninsula in southern france and all the way west sorry that's what when that

02:22:43.420 question came up suddenly it hit and i was absolutely excited that we could kind of like

02:22:48.220 perhaps looking for ter in relation may have correlation to tier in the iberian peninsula

02:22:56.940 going back to

02:23:00.380 well i was going to say so to finish the answer on any relation to odin and the einherjar

02:23:07.580 it's in the classic sense no in the modern sense yes so in the modern sense we have developed this

02:23:22.700 concept of the iron er that goes much beyond the scope of odin's chosen champions around his table

02:23:31.340 We celebrate the Feast of the Einherjar on Veterans Day. And we don't just, we don't celebrate it on Memorial Day, mind you. We celebrate it on Veterans Day. And that's very intentional. And it was a decision made by, you know, folks early in our movement in the 70s or 80s.

02:23:57.280 Now I need to go find exactly when that became a common practice.

02:24:02.320 But in our common practice, we celebrate our veterans on that day and not just the champions that sit at Odin's Hall, although that is certainly the imagery and what the Einherjahr are.

02:24:16.420 We try to celebrate the veterans generally. And in that sense, Tyr as war god, I think is certainly appropriate to honor during Feast of the Einherjar as we practice it in the modern day.

02:24:35.380 and i think it's very relevant to celebrate the soldier and the warrior in relation to tear

02:24:45.140 but as the literal line here you are there's there's not a connection there

02:24:49.860 right the placement of the soldier within the grand scope of everything that's going on

02:24:54.820 uh and his core that that's absolutely you know has tear in it i think uh the ultimate

02:25:03.060 placement of courage the placement of deed the placement of honor and also his his grand part

02:25:08.540 his camaraderie between his brothers and the living accomplishment of mission is tier uh so

02:25:15.940 yes i don't think we should dissect him from that at all um so the next question is uh from

02:25:24.800 Vril Vanir, is there any parallels or other subtle similarities between Odin sacrificing an eye for

02:25:33.080 wisdom and Tyr sacrificing a hand for the sake of the entire world? Svan, I know this has come up

02:25:41.140 before. Is this something you have thoughts on? Yes, I think that, again, it's the idea of external

02:25:48.660 internal we have the uh sacrifice for the internal the sacrifice to see backwards to see the source

02:25:55.780 of all things that sacrifice is placed through the eye into the well that sees memory sees the

02:26:02.540 the the descent of time and of place and of deed and of weird so we have this internal sacrifice

02:26:08.460 and then we have an external sacrifice and that external sacrifice is immediate and it is uh it's

02:26:15.880 again uh placed within the confines of an external element that has the power to be external the

02:26:25.440 difference between the wolf and the well the the wolf being an external and activated force as as

02:26:31.640 opposed to the well being a receptacle or a or a a holding of water and um the wellspring um where

02:26:40.440 you know it's being placed within and seeing as it's kind of yes it is an emanation in the middle

02:26:44.780 world but it ultimately trickles down uh to the lower so you see an internal external uh sorry i

02:26:53.020 also wanted to bring up a point i think there is a connection between tierfing and the tervingi

02:26:57.420 goths so this is very weird that this is going on and i mean that in the proper sense towards uh

02:27:06.540 one of our witten um i think this is a a proper point to to bring out i think that tierfing is

02:27:13.340 referencing to the because the the uh tervingi were in the east um during the uh attack of the

02:27:22.620 huns and we see that again in the volsunga saga when atli and sigurd are in the same place we see

02:27:29.820 again the correlative heroic myth and tierfing is a part of that heroic myth um of of uh story that

02:27:38.940 spans that time especially in eastern europe during the migration periods so there was that

02:27:44.540 but yes um external to internal sacrifice that's how i've always taken those two in correlation

02:27:54.220 and the receptacle in which the sacrifice is then placed

02:27:56.860 um all right so from nick footsteps of a cat a woman's beard the root of a mountain the sinews

02:28:11.500 of a bear the breath of a fish and bird spittle these are components of glipnir obviously due to

02:28:23.420 their use in the chain they can no longer exist anything more ex or esoteric here a chain made

02:28:30.700 for a chain made from things that don't exist or don't exist any longer a ribbon made do you have

02:28:39.660 thoughts on uh on the the esoterics of the chain and its its exotic elements i i've thought about

02:28:49.580 that a lot and i really wonder if it is story elemental because it's it fits so conveniently

02:28:56.140 at the end to kind of like give the the last bravado of the storyteller kind of it is the

02:29:03.100 it's the flip of the hat it's the coup de gras at the end where it's the it's the the rise before

02:29:09.020 the bow um where it just it esoterically it if we're talking about the roots of the mountain

02:29:18.140 perhaps but then when we talk about you know uh the beard of a woman and the spittle of a bird

02:29:25.620 or you know if you own i own chickens and that you know and birds and things they don't have

02:29:29.880 you know spittle these are things that are are not uh so it's like i i would say esoterically

02:29:36.640 it's it's to be bound of things that are boundless that they don't necessarily have

02:29:44.820 is this creating a boundary out of that which is boundless

02:29:49.320 is the only esoteric part to that.

02:29:52.580 Outside of that, I kind of always take it as a flourish,

02:30:00.160 a Nordic flourish.

02:30:02.420 And I think that Nordic storytellers did this very well with their kennings

02:30:08.940 and they did this very well with some of that placement.

02:30:11.380 So that's, that is my take on that as far as it's esotericism or esotericism of that.

02:30:21.320 I mean, I think that we can draw esoteric truths from any of our mythic sources.

02:30:30.820 But I think poetically, this is more of a poetic invention than a deep esoterics.

02:30:37.260 I think the idea is the extreme rarity of all of these things, like what's the most impossible things you can come by.

02:30:48.780 That's what it takes to weave together something strong enough to hold this wolf at bay.

02:30:56.060 And again, that speaks to the epic nature of how big of a force of destruction this is.

02:31:05.380 You need to harness the most rare possible or impossible, rather, things to find in order to accomplish this task.

02:31:15.020 And it elevates and makes the task bigger and more impossible to complete to get there.

02:31:23.760 And I think that's the truth that it tries to portray.

02:31:28.220 And I think, you know, one of the esoteric truths to it is just how powerful ravening chaos is and how difficult it is to truly bind and truly keep at bay.

02:31:48.880 to keep all chaos at bay is a seemingly impossible task and uh and i think that's

02:31:57.120 one of the truths that's expressed in that i've got a question what do you think about

02:32:04.240 the idea that the templars took the spiritual software of tier and applied it in a christian

02:32:11.200 context to the middle east what are your thoughts swan well that is a cool question um did not see

02:32:20.400 that i i might have predicted the season question but i did not see that coming um i mean when you

02:32:27.120 look at the spectrum of warriors during the crusades when we're talking about the teutonic

02:32:31.600 knights the templar knights the hospitalers um you know and the list goes on and on whether

02:32:36.720 uh where they were coming from and things like that um i again the tragedy of the collectiveness

02:32:46.240 of victory and defeat during those times i think had huge implications for europe uh again i'm

02:32:54.880 talking about the templars when they're returning back and their their correlation with the king

02:32:58.800 of france and with the pope and and all of this tumultuousness that's happening uh upon their

02:33:05.360 return and how they they um they kind of did come in collectively but when they returned there was

02:33:13.120 like an internal knowledge that seemed to be more prevalent in their order and in the way that they

02:33:19.200 may have been um interacting with like the saracens and and some of that stuff when they you know

02:33:24.880 boots on the ground in the place that they were going to their their tone shifted um and so i

02:33:32.400 think that is kind of uh i guess looking at it in a legend sense seeing as the collective going

02:33:39.280 forward but then the the internal learning that comes back and i think that all soldiers and all

02:33:46.000 all war fighters and things like that do have that kind of repetitive sense of going in together and

02:33:52.080 coming out and having to uh interact and do things from the individual level but as far as direct

02:33:58.880 correlation to tier i i don't know i i couldn't i can't right now off the top of my head just

02:34:05.200 put those two together um because those two just seem so far apart in in uh in

02:34:14.720 the i guess the the core of their beings

02:34:19.840 so

02:34:20.080 in and people like to do this with the templars a lot

02:34:27.520 because there's a mystery there people like to put all these very intentional overt

02:34:34.800 channels of uh of thought or philosophy or belief into them as as using the templars as

02:34:46.820 something to guard sacred knowledge and transmit it um no at the time of the templar's creation

02:34:55.020 i don't think that in any conscious way people were even aware of the existence of tear in that

02:35:02.000 sense um but that said i think that the folk memory of tear may have manifested in that sense

02:35:14.140 the idea of putting aside the pettier squabbles of white Christian Europe to fight against

02:35:24.460 Muslim hordes of other different kinds of people to preserve land that they felt was holy and to

02:35:34.540 preserve a sacred center certainly that there's tear could have spoken through the folk soul

02:35:41.400 in that way or manifested through the folk soul in a subtle way that way of course but i don't

02:35:47.880 think the templars were aware of that at all i think that would be anathema to their to their

02:35:52.540 very christian leanings um the original templar are almost all from france and france had been

02:36:01.920 converted to christianity in 500 so they've been they've been christians for you know almost 600

02:36:10.460 years that I think the Templars were, you know, founded in the very early 1100s from First Crusade

02:36:18.280 vets. So, you know, they'd been Christian in France and in the area where all these Templars

02:36:23.980 came from for over 500 years. So I don't think there was an intentional, hey guys, let's take

02:36:31.140 the lessons of Tyr and apply them in the Holy Land. But I do think that that element of the

02:36:38.340 folk soul speaking through is an absolute thing so yes and no is my answer to that question

02:36:45.620 and i'll say i think we we've had discussions about this and this this could be a great way

02:36:50.740 to that discussion that we've had before is is there or could there be or is there a manifestation

02:36:57.060 or a place to manifest the ideals of a chivalric knighthood or a conceptualization of an aussitrue

02:37:04.980 uh concept of that would be an equivalency to like we've talked about like the yom vikings

02:37:11.340 the yom viking good being like a holy order of of warriors or a or a order of warriors

02:37:17.380 dedicated through like a divine uh polar movement and could that be placed today

02:37:23.660 could that have like does the the tenets of of knighthood even during the christian times

02:37:28.980 I think, like what you had just said, the influence of the manifestation of tear within them comes from the blood, no matter how much they gloss or veneer that, but also, too, that evolution could evolve into a present state of an understanding that there is value in the chivalric code.

02:37:50.280 I remember us having these conversations about that value.

02:37:55.060 Well, absolutely. So removing it from just the order of poor knights of the Temple of Solomon, knighthood in general is absolutely built out of residual pagan values of mounted war chiefs and the champion warriors that form the aristocracy in the pagan values.

02:38:25.060 period. That's undoubtedly and, you know, it's undisputedly true. It has, in its very formations

02:38:35.300 and its very earliest conceptualizations, it has zero to do with Christianity. It is

02:38:41.460 an amalgamation of the mounted warriors, the Equitas of Rome and the warlords of Northern

02:38:51.760 europe forming a mounted aristocracy and of elite warriors and that's absolutely pagan and in the

02:39:03.520 roots of our folk soul and i think that taking the pretend veneer of of christian ethos out of it and

02:39:12.800 replacing it with an authentic pagan spirituality is absolutely relevant and completely a legitimate

02:39:20.080 thing and you've even mentioned to it that's why this spiked interest to me is because you

02:39:25.520 your your uh drive in that conversation towards and how it has manifested even

02:39:30.880 repeatedly after knights of say the middle ages in which we've seen through uh the colonial times

02:39:37.120 with uh the knights and the and the dragoons and then during the napoleonic wars and we see the

02:39:42.320 knighthoods again and then even up until the american civil war you had brought up the the

02:39:47.440 concept of the chivalric knight and the idea of the bastions of european pagan uh knighthoodness

02:39:55.520 still manifesting in cyclical rates throughout our our uh concepts you know intertwined with

02:40:01.120 the acts of war um so i just thought that was like that was a parallel and a great avenue to bring up

02:40:09.120 in i believe very strongly in that and i think that you know certainly elements of this carry

02:40:16.320 over, but the last element on this continent that we've seen of the traditional knighthood

02:40:25.160 would be the Confederate States of America's cavalry units. You'd have guys, you'd have

02:40:36.660 generals leading cavalry charges with saber in hand, steeped in a gentlemanness and a chivalric

02:40:45.400 um code that is a direct descendant of that ancient warrior aristocracy it's one of the

02:40:53.240 interesting things the little uh the little sequence of the very beginning of gone with the

02:40:59.180 wind talks about that feudal culture in the south at the time and that the vestiges of that chivalry

02:41:06.740 and i think that that you absolutely saw that in uh you know i'm not precluding that there's

02:41:12.720 any currents of that that have come down in a more modern sense but you know that's the most i

02:41:19.200 the last iconic noble gentleman on horse with sword in hand going into battle that we've that

02:41:28.960 we've seen and then that last little vestige in europe with world war one and the pilots

02:41:34.880 that the biplanes where they still had that good call absolutely but you said on this continent

02:41:41.200 you're talking about america i understand but i was like and there was just that last little

02:41:45.360 glimmer that happened at world war one two over on the other in the other in the fatherland that

02:41:50.720 that's where that happened absolutely the the and if anything that was a very interesting knighthood

02:42:02.320 uh the the fighter races of the second world war um was the last time you really saw it but there

02:42:09.920 there was an ugliness that came in by that time when you see the fighter aces of the first world

02:42:15.360 war no matter what country they were from it's like they had this international brotherhood of

02:42:22.320 understanding that their nobility and and that you know noble sees noble and they would treat them

02:42:29.920 um almost exclusively and you know the german side even in the second world war would do this

02:42:36.000 for a time but they would treat the the enemy pilots that were shot down they would they would

02:42:40.880 entertain them lavishly because it was like you know like a knight you captured on the battlefield

02:42:46.240 you didn't lock that guy in chains you you feasted him and and you know this was one of your brother

02:42:51.840 knights that was was in your uh was under your control during that time so yes absolutely we

02:42:58.880 see that i'm glad you brought that up because that had slipped my mind but it is a really

02:43:02.960 very relevant example of this we're talking about um so nick asked this question he warns us it

02:43:10.160 might be spicy uh humans and slash or arians where do we come from geographically did the gods drop

02:43:21.280 ask and embla off in the caucasian steppes out of africa mesopotamia or did they get dropped

02:43:30.880 somewhere else and their descendants just settle in the steps to start the arian folk

02:43:36.480 uh evolution creation monkeys talk about it

02:43:42.000 so break us off some some spawn wisdom because i have some i have some thoughts on this yeah i i

02:43:47.680 would say i have always been of of the belief that our people in correlation to understanding

02:43:54.800 the story of Rigsstula, Heimdall has two meanings correlated together that both extend like two

02:44:05.680 edges of the same road, or they're just the edges of the road. Heimdall is the bright light of the

02:44:15.520 home, the origination point in which we expand from after correlation to bringing in the Asas,

02:44:24.400 bringing in their uh their divinity within us and that correlation is that is the light that is the

02:44:32.640 fire that comes from the home and i also believe that there is a secondary meaning to that is that

02:44:39.040 the home dale the valley or the the origin basin uh to which we um originate from and i would say

02:44:47.120 i mean the location and specifics i cannot say obviously a direct like i would say a region

02:44:55.840 but uh in my geography of of understanding and there have been people that have moved in and

02:45:00.640 out of that area since that time but what i would like to say is my personal belief is yes we do

02:45:05.920 originate from that home basin that home dale that home valley where that correlative flame

02:45:15.760 of divinity from the gods evolved us into uh better forms as we see in the story of rigs

02:45:24.480 thula so that is i i believe so i guess that would be an out of the

02:45:29.360 out of the caucus or out of the steps or out of the center uh um

02:45:37.600 i guess bid not not an out of africa theory but an out of that our people i believe originated

02:45:45.040 from that central spot and that heimdall is deeply connected to that moment and to or to that

02:45:52.640 correlative triplication of moments that would eventually lead us to uh uh taking the wheel

02:46:00.960 and taking the iron or taking the bronze and iron and and manifesting our our the horizons around us

02:46:15.680 so it's a really really interesting question and nick kind of opened up a can with this

02:46:21.680 out of africa absolutely not out of mesopotamia absolutely not um

02:46:31.200 some some folks come from there but our fault don't um

02:46:36.400 um the question that I think is most relevant is are our folk from the pole or our folk from the

02:46:50.140 caucuses um the ice age messes a lot of stuff up and I don't know you know there's a variety

02:47:02.740 different opinions and evolving scholastic discussion about the ice age and its effect on things

02:47:15.540 the traditionally understood the reason that we're called caucasians is because of the the

02:47:23.060 linguistic tracing and archaeological tracing to the aryan culture back to the the caucuses

02:47:30.260 and steps there um and that's you know that's a legitimate thing and being that none of us

02:47:37.140 are time travelers to know for sure that's an okay answer um what i find very compelling

02:47:46.420 is the idea that our folk pre-exist that and have a a more polar origin

02:47:57.540 um one thing that's interesting that we acknowledge about europeans about old europeans and

02:48:08.020 the arian uh the arian expansion the arian migration is that they're the they're related

02:48:14.980 peoples so the arian invasion into europe and meeting with old europe we don't see that as

02:48:22.740 some kind of race mixing we see that as one wave of white people mating and colonizing with another

02:48:33.460 group of our folk that pre-existed there and i think that that is more easily explained

02:48:41.220 by a polar origin and kind of a spreading out as the ice age progressed and and occurred

02:48:49.540 what's really interesting talking about the ancient uh Aryans and even you know even if

02:48:58.000 it comes from a a brown dude this guy Tillak wrote in India about um the arctic homeland

02:49:06.340 in the Vedas and the Vedic texts are uh are Aryan and they they pre-exist the the cultural

02:49:16.420 racial mixing between Aryan and Dravidian that occurred in India. And the Vedas talk a lot about

02:49:23.600 things that imply a polar or at least an Arctic origin. And so much of our understanding of things

02:49:34.800 relates to that northern climate. There's a lot to break down, and I'd suggest if you guys haven't

02:49:43.300 to check out that book. It gets very repetitive. It probably didn't need to be quite as long as it

02:49:49.380 is, but the points that it makes really interesting. So I tend to think that our people

02:49:55.080 have a more polar origin and that when things happened during the ice age, that culture was

02:50:02.260 diffused and you know a cultural high point or golden age of the time was in the caucuses and

02:50:13.860 then spread out from there but uh you know all of that is is very speculative but it is something

02:50:21.300 that i think there's merit to um there was a there's just a little quick question that was

02:50:31.780 shot out here and i wanted to bring it up buck uh if that you know as you said uh is there a closer

02:50:38.580 name in uh relation to an authentic european buck is very uh germanic it comes of course the male

02:50:46.900 deer eventually even correlating to the bakken or the the books and uh meaning and it says you know

02:50:54.020 it's old old high german bach and old norse uh bacher uh so yes it correlates all the way back

02:51:02.740 um so yes very germanic name

02:51:06.820 sorry just wanted i saw that and i was like wait a minute

02:51:11.700 no i'm looking at some stuff over on the side too um

02:51:15.220 um so anyways um next thing uh interesting questions in the comments well yeah well

02:51:38.740 I'm trying to I'm trying to read this question because I don't think it it reads as well as

02:51:43.300 intended and i don't want to just butcher it for those listening um

02:51:51.620 so anyways uh once oh and so our people are different what's our beliefs on where the

02:52:00.100 other races came from are their gods real and created them sorry about not having a concise

02:52:06.980 question but it's a multi-layered thing i'm trying to ponder on absolutely and i think it's you know

02:52:13.300 So it's a very worthy question, and it's obviously a question that would come about by, you know, by our standing and where we come from.

02:52:25.880 And I really, you know, usually I throw these out to Svan first, but I want to speak on this up front because I think it's it's really important to do so.

02:52:35.560 yeah other people come from different places and have different gods that created them

02:52:45.960 maintain them have a spiritual relationship with them beyond that i think it's inappropriate for me

02:52:53.320 to put definitions on what those things are but one of the things that is

02:53:02.280 perhaps most offensive about the abrahamic faiths are their insistence that their

02:53:13.540 their understanding of things and their divinity is the only real divinity

02:53:18.400 and everybody else's gods either don't exist or are demons or a trick of the devil

02:53:26.000 and their way is the you know the one right way for all of humanity towards salvation that's very

02:53:33.280 much at its heart universalism it's not the astro folk assembly's position in any way shape or form

02:53:41.960 that our gods are the only gods that our gods are the gods for all of the different peoples of the

02:53:48.560 earth that my religion is good and you know a native american's religion is bad or an african's

02:53:57.280 religion is bad or as long as it stays in its lane a jewish man's religion is bad but it's just

02:54:06.400 not ours so yes we believe in the diversity of of races in the earth and also the diversity of

02:54:13.760 divinity is associated with those races of people but we are connected with ours through our blood

02:54:20.800 and through our our inviolable connection to them as we think other people are to theirs

02:54:28.640 uh and i think that's a fundamental principle of the astro folk assembly that

02:54:32.480 it's really important is understood uh you have anything to add on that's fun could you uh yeah

02:54:39.760 i was looking for the question and it didn't come up here so i could you uh for for the

02:54:46.560 sake of answering correctly uh peoples are different what's our belief on where other

02:54:55.760 races came from are their gods real and created them sorry about having not having a concise

02:55:03.280 question but it's multi-layered uh that he's pondering on and i i 100 i believe you've already

02:55:12.480 hit it i i would just say that i've always kind of taken the idea of whether it was in

02:55:18.400 landish or outlandish i've always kind of viewed that in a in a way if it's outlandish as we say

02:55:27.680 you know in english now it has different meanings but it it does mean like the

02:55:32.960 preposterousness of something outside of your inner guard and so i i i don't mean it isn't

02:55:39.360 being negative or being crazy or something of that nature i think some things that we do encounter

02:55:43.760 and i just saw somebody uh talking about my um my privacy to argue with people on twitter um

02:55:51.200 as as tackling outlandish ideas sometimes i think it is important that we uh can can

02:55:58.400 have those feelings of yes this is not what we agree with this is not what was right you know

02:56:03.680 i don't think it's good that you you know want to cut pieces off of babies or something like that

02:56:08.720 you know we have the right to say that but at the same time it's not a necessarily a manner of of uh

02:56:15.360 uh, you know, are, you know, are they bad or are they some sort of, uh, like as, as the, um,

02:56:25.160 the Hebrews did with the Canaanites or that they did with the Philistines or even the Babylonians

02:56:30.320 where they kind of, um, shedimmed the gods of their enemies. And then eventually we, you know,

02:56:37.660 we use the Greek word demon. They demonized the, um, the, uh, gods of their enemies. I don't think

02:56:44.740 that we that necessarily correlates it's like the gods are within our inner land and everything

02:56:52.340 outside of that is is is it's kind of hard to to explain that the idea of where everything outside

02:57:01.220 of that boundary begins to negate and whether it's it's uh parallel or whether it's intrusive

02:57:07.220 is what really becomes the question if it's intrusive or it's damaging then i don't think

02:57:12.200 we should support it and if it's parallel to ours then i think we can respect it whether it's a

02:57:17.080 a japanese uh practitioner of shinto whether it's um you know the the correlative even if it's a

02:57:26.840 like a buddhist uh whether it's thravadavi or mahayana or any of that nature is understanding

02:57:32.200 those parallels of faith and devotion and piety we can we can meet on that because i i don't find

02:57:38.200 a lot of intrusion or i don't find a lot of that aggressiveness towards the inner land of mine

02:57:45.560 that i feel like i should reciprocate some sort of defense against but um at the same time i don't

02:57:51.240 think it's it's uh necessary to to demonize or should demise the the uh the the others um they

02:58:00.120 are simply themselves and they have every right to be themselves and we have every right to be

02:58:05.000 ourselves it's just whether or not it's intrusive or antagonistic that's when it becomes a problem

02:58:11.880 so we act in accordance to the nature of the deeds of others

02:58:21.560 um next question how's harry gofi do you like rap snacks and why

02:58:27.080 so i'm not proud of i'm not proud of it um not proud of it uh i i am a fan of the wrap snacks

02:58:39.640 and the reason why is that they're very delicious and seemingly better than chips that white people

02:58:46.520 can make um i stumbled upon this out of humor and irony i uh down the road from thorshof and

02:58:58.040 and over here in the west and we have them here now but at the time we didn't have such things

02:59:03.160 at our convenience stores and uh down the road from thorshof there's a little gas station we

02:59:08.200 stopped in there we needed some snacks and we stumbled upon wrap snacks and there's there's

02:59:15.160 various uh there's some names i'm familiar with many names i've never heard of and sound a little

02:59:21.800 bit ridiculous uh of of folks on these uh these bags of chips and so i went up to the counter and

02:59:28.520 i thought it was hilarious and i got some wrap snacks and it was all it was all in jest until

02:59:34.920 it was time to ingest and you can ask the people so you can ask the people who were with me at

02:59:44.440 thorshoff that day i was angry these chips were so good because i got them to be silly and ridiculous

02:59:53.560 and these chips are the best chips that i ever had

02:59:57.640 i'm just picturing the headline like there's that i'll put it out there if folks want to

03:00:03.080 unsubscribe to our channel and or need to ask to folk assembly i understand

03:00:06.840 there's no hard feelings i hope it all doesn't come crashing down around me because i admit this

03:00:15.460 but they really are delicious i don't want them to be what they are well and i think that that

03:00:21.360 plays into a misconception that a lot of people have about us that we can't laugh and joke about

03:00:26.660 ourselves and things i mean it's just people think that we're some sort of i don't know

03:00:32.500 i wanted to laugh and joke but the deliciousness of no laughing matter

03:00:38.100 just seeing you kind of like damn it

03:00:41.460 i was so frustrated and defeated by those chips it's real

03:00:47.600 it's just funny

03:00:52.180 i appreciate monk knows it the the truth truth is one of our virtues so i got it out there um

03:01:08.740 greetings gentlemen great stream thank you uh the moon knew not what might was his or the moon

03:01:16.900 does not yet know what power it possesses from velocity uh what power does the moon actually

03:01:25.860 possess in your opinion thank you uh spawn have you have you pondered that verse and what what

03:01:33.860 power do you think the moon possesses in that in that stanza i i think that there's two things one

03:01:44.180 that the the knowing knot of power is the correlative power between um i guess gravitational

03:01:53.380 pull um i feel that our ancestors when we talk about the assignments of heaven or the the

03:02:00.420 establishing of uh raido or rahido the the the uh correlation of the of the rune itself and

03:02:08.580 and the placement of things in proper timing

03:02:11.340 and in proper rotation.

03:02:14.820 We talk about the,

03:02:17.600 when we see the two horses as vehicles,

03:02:20.900 we see Suna or we see the sun or soul

03:02:24.400 as having the two horses.

03:02:26.160 And again, this is an Aryan correlation

03:02:28.900 of the idea of two horses.

03:02:30.440 Sometimes they're even mentioned as two white horses

03:02:33.380 in correlation to the solar power.

03:02:36.180 And then we also note immediately that there is two horses in distinct separation, but are in unique unification to the earth.

03:02:45.140 And we talk about this as the horses of day and the horses of night.

03:02:48.980 And again, our ancestors, the Aryan ancestors, were utilizing the vehicle terminology of the horse as dynamic power.

03:02:56.500 So we see two horses in the solar. We see two horses in the earthly.

03:03:00.120 we only see one horse in correlation to the lunar or to the moon or and so suddenly you know when

03:03:09.420 you look at this story I find this as a deep hidden secret of truth about the idea of rotational

03:03:18.200 access because only one of those does not hold that rotational access and that's the single horse

03:03:26.940 So there's that.

03:03:28.420 And I think that, of course, it's correlation in placement to the earth and the essence of the tides.

03:03:34.700 And we talked a lot about that over Yule, about some of the concepts of the integration of both push and pull and the gravity, quite literally the gravity.

03:03:49.440 But I'm speaking symbolically, the gravity between forces and how our ancestors saw deeply that there had to be intrinsically balanced forces, one of pushing and one of pulling, one of receiving and one of manifesting.

03:04:02.960 And I think, you know, that is the unspoken power. And I think perhaps there's even another unspoken power. And this is just something that, again, as we go into the fringes of this explanation, this is something I don't, I can't speak in any sense where it's like an absolute.

03:04:23.960 But there's just an interesting thing is that the moon is moving, that we know the moon is moving. We can see it in our studying of the heavens and with the technology that we have now, knowing that the moon is moving directionally and within a time frame.

03:04:42.000 And many have speculated to what that might correlate to, that there's going to be this apex moment where the moon, as a visible and physical thing, will be in perfect alignment with the sun through these years as it goes.

03:05:02.100 And what could that mean in the possible alignments of the solaric and of the idea of the sun and the dark sun and the convergence of the eclipse of those two powers coming together?

03:05:18.800 um i don't know if that's also perhaps the hinting towards the unseen but uh that's just

03:05:27.500 something i've i've wondered about speculated about and kind of looked at other uh groups of

03:05:33.260 folk and what they might think of that but that's what i got on that one yeah i

03:05:41.320 i wish i had some great secrets about lunar power that that i don't possess honestly the thing that

03:05:50.840 has come to mind that i assume is a reference to that gravitational power as far as the um the tides

03:06:02.840 and the moon's control over that i know that the moon also has

03:06:07.240 as relation to the uh the situation with women and their uh their moods and their things

03:06:19.720 um as well as the tides and i think that that is interesting to make note of that's the moon

03:06:28.740 powers that are most evident to us or to me. I can't tell you that that's the truth of that

03:06:39.640 stanza, but that's what I would add on it. I'm just looking at the side chat. No, I was trying

03:06:53.380 keep it clean folks um i'm trying not to look over at certain points now because some of

03:07:00.660 these questions are just making me laugh and i can't have to maintain no so i i would assume

03:07:08.100 there's that um there's a different i'd say there's a different energy with the moon's light

03:07:19.620 not to sound too hippy dippy but the sun reflecting off the moon and the light it projects

03:07:25.540 is uh is different and it's it's kind of special um i know our founder steve mcnallen has a ritual

03:07:34.980 that he does that involves i don't know harnessing that that moon energy um

03:07:42.500 not related but i'm throw it out there anyway because it's moon relevant one of the most

03:07:52.540 beautiful things that i've ever seen um growing up in alaska i grew up in anchorage and you know

03:08:00.520 i was a city boy but i got to spend time up in fairbanks that was fairbanks has grown huge over

03:08:06.720 the past few years but when i was a kid in the in the 80s and early 90s and i think this was

03:08:12.420 probably i don't know maybe 2000 even 2001 um i was out fox hunting like just right in town or not

03:08:22.100 far outside of town or whatever it was walking distance from my cousin's house and the full moon

03:08:28.020 was out in fairbanks the ice crystals it because it's so dry the ice is all crystallized and you'd

03:08:35.060 look across a flat field and the moon was so bright that it reflected off of these crystals

03:08:42.180 and you could because you couldn't hunt with artificial light but i could literally with you

03:08:46.980 know iron sights hunt go fox hunting in this full moon because it was that bright and everything was

03:08:54.580 so illuminated and just looking out at the you know the frozen landscape with the moon reflecting

03:09:01.220 off it it's one of the most beautiful things ever seen it was really really cool it's neither here

03:09:06.340 or there it's not related to your question but i figured i'd put it out there regardless um

03:09:13.780 next question i'm currently working in utah but probably moving back to vegas

03:09:18.580 is there any meetups for new guys who are interested

03:09:23.940 no not currently but we do have a couple of members in las vegas

03:09:28.420 if you reach out to one of your folk builders we can try to get you set up

03:09:34.340 if you could throw up sierra's contact i think that would be the best one to do right now and

03:09:38.500 i can talk to her on it nick um yeah if you're interested and you want to you want to join up

03:09:45.060 or get involved or or whatever and meet with some folks there uh please reach out and sierra or

03:09:51.620 sierra and myself can can help you help you meet those folks if that's something you're interested

03:09:57.220 in but i do personally know a couple of folks down in in vegas so that's a thing

03:10:05.700 um monk evil uh made a comment in there and i wanted to say yeah there's a book called who

03:10:11.540 built the moon that has uh goes extensively into some of those theories about the seismic activity

03:10:18.100 of the of the moon landings uh or the moon landing and um uh just an interesting book i'm not

03:10:24.260 endorsing it or anything i i have read it i thought it was extremely interesting one thing

03:10:28.180 that i did pull from that that i thought might in correlation to us what you and what you had

03:10:33.060 said about the megalith builders is that they found out that the elevation of uh stonehenge

03:10:38.580 and salisbury um is also i it's been a long time since i read the book but i believe it's a place

03:10:48.100 in egypt that may be at the same elevation in regards to that and it has some sort of correlation

03:10:54.500 to tracking the moon um i just interesting book and i saw monk evil had uh posted a a little thing

03:11:02.260 about that so if anybody's interested in some weird ah you got me strange concepts of the uh

03:11:12.580 of the moon that's an interesting book and bubbles also brought up a great point about

03:11:17.300 the guardianship of the moon deflecting uh uh astroidal debris so that's interesting too

03:11:26.740 um all right next question any plans on publishing edda's slash lore compilation afa edition but

03:11:35.780 without obvious judeo propaganda by snorri and maybe with some comments by founder mcnalen slash

03:11:43.140 also your gofiflavelle um plans no discussion about possibly doing that with maybe some uh

03:11:53.780 like you mentioned some commentary or some footnotes or some side notes or whatever

03:11:58.180 i think it'd be great um you may have noticed a lack of publication by the astro folk assembly

03:12:05.140 uh it's one of those things we're working on a little bit but folks that we have myself included

03:12:13.460 are not are not great writers or don't have the time management of sitting and writing and

03:12:19.860 composing books and things it is something that i'd like to work on we just need to have some of

03:12:25.300 the right staff in place to help us organize and make some of those projects happen but i think

03:12:31.620 that'd be a really good idea and it is something we've talked about in the past honestly there's

03:12:36.180 not plans right now but it is something that's come up again and again is something we would

03:12:40.420 like to do so hopefully we can do that when we have the right people in place uh next question is

03:12:52.660 genuine book sources for greek roman and slavic lore mythology you can recommend please

03:12:59.860 uh ps witness fons tweeter is pretty righteous slash based hail hail it's fine you got any good

03:13:12.340 source material for greek roman and slavic lore no uh i that that would be really hard to to place

03:13:21.620 out i will say one thing though if there's somebody um if you're on twitter there is a

03:13:28.980 latvian baltic um unfortunately they they do post a lot in their native language but occasionally

03:13:37.380 they don't and if you can i've reached out and even dm'd with them a little bit about

03:13:43.060 uh their faith it's a great source of just showing snippets of digestible information

03:13:48.660 so there are some um in relation to this the slavic uh uh faith but as far as like uh

03:13:59.460 hellenic and rodinov uh is it rodinovi the uh their their correlation towards faith

03:14:08.500 as far as books go i i don't have any off the top of my head i would have to like post in the comments

03:14:14.420 after. All right. So Nick's got a tricky one. And I think this is something a lot of us thought

03:14:27.440 about. Circling back to my question on the gods of other peoples, I get your point on not wanting

03:14:34.440 to deny a diversity of gods and peoples, but how to wrap my head around our gods are real and

03:14:43.500 literal and not metaphorical and i understand there is myth and some literary aspects to what

03:14:52.380 what we have and what we can understand but if our god shaped and molded the universe

03:14:57.340 and our people and yggdrasil holds midgard and the giants uh

03:15:06.140 parts form the lands and the sky and the clouds

03:15:10.060 how to balance that with saying other people have real gods sorry it's a thousand questions

03:15:19.580 and and no question at once but trying to wrap my head my mind around odin being real and anasazi and

03:15:30.060 i can't pronounce a strange aztec god too uh so that's the question it's a long question

03:15:41.500 it's paragraph of questions but the meat and taters is how to if our gods created and shaped

03:15:50.940 midgard and asgard and the universe and the shaping between heaven and earth

03:15:55.500 and built the trees and the mountains and the clouds out of giant parts

03:16:02.060 how does that coexist with various other people's gods doing those similar things for their people

03:16:11.440 i know that you've thought about it i know that i have thought about it um what are your thoughts

03:16:17.880 Swan. Sorry, one of my hounds over here is making a lot of noise, so I was muting.

03:16:35.820 One of the correlations towards, I guess, how a people interact with the spiritual and the physical is important and intrinsic to them.

03:16:50.460 Um, the idea, I think when we tackle the, the reality of our eyes upon things versus, uh, others and their eyes upon things, um, is a question of whether or not we, we can't denounce that, or first off, we can't say that we have the same eyes.

03:17:17.380 We don't. We know this that we don't. And it's very similar with, you know, within people. We as individuals do not have the same eyes, but we as a people may drift in that understanding together.

03:17:33.720 And so our eyes are very similar and connected. But then when we go outside of ourselves, you know, other people have different ways of seeing things.

03:17:42.620 um the i guess the idea of whether or not it's a matter of their their way of correlating with

03:17:55.420 things if it matters to you what matters to you is to see the divinity in the way of both your

03:18:05.260 ancestors and our culture and ourselves and ultimately the individual being a part of that

03:18:11.980 and seeing the world in its manifest um is important and i think it we are entitled by

03:18:19.760 birthright to attain that and to see it and so therefore we can only pronounce that

03:18:26.880 level to others outside of ourselves but again to simply say outside of ourselves means we do not

03:18:36.020 see things in the same way. And again, it can become that they see this spectrum, this ecosystem

03:18:45.000 of belief can be antagonistic and against us. And so therefore, again, our way of seeing things

03:18:52.420 then becomes something that we have the right to substantiate. And we know that they will,

03:18:58.540 of course, think the same way as far as their right to substantiate. And so it becomes, again,

03:19:07.300 a question of once it's outside of ourselves, does it necessarily matter? And I think that's

03:19:14.760 more of a, I'm talking about a philosophical question about the idea of faith within a people

03:19:21.560 and how we correlate to the divine.

03:19:24.820 Outside of ourselves, it could be irrelevant.

03:19:28.800 It could be placed to the idea of simply just giving respect

03:19:32.280 that I would want in return, but beyond that,

03:19:36.480 I don't expect them to understand, I don't expect them to accept,

03:19:40.140 and I certainly don't expect them to adopt my people's way of seeing things.

03:19:46.600 um and so that places us on this uh table if you will or this this uh field of uh a kind of a

03:19:57.700 unilateral acceptance of that over there this over here and i'm concerned with this over here

03:20:06.140 so when i see these things and i believe in the gods and the way that i see the world

03:20:10.580 um i don't particularly seek the correlation of asking the gods well what's up with those guys

03:20:18.440 over there like why you know or whatever it's uh however or why do they do that or it it doesn't

03:20:24.500 matter it's outside of that so i i have a inner guard outer guard philosophy of that and outside

03:20:32.060 of the outer guard or in the outer guard it the relevance of it is uh ethereal to me wondering

03:20:39.940 what the tides are like in Chile right now. They just don't, you know, the conceptualization of

03:20:51.440 that seems fruitless and to use a wise man's words, much like Nabal gave it. So, you know,

03:21:00.000 it is a question that I'm sure has occurred to great many of us. It's also a question that

03:21:08.060 i'm the least you know comfortable answering because it it delves into a bunch of unknowns

03:21:15.800 and nobody wants to hear religious authorities say i don't know because it's just it's not it's

03:21:23.600 not good and it's not what you want but as i said earlier in the program there are some things that

03:21:30.180 go back that become unknown unknowable well cool where our gods come from well the gap cool well

03:21:38.820 then where'd the gap come from what was who made who made the gap well okay who made that guy that

03:21:44.580 made gananga gap well cool what was you can go back forever and not get to that final answer

03:21:53.380 point that you want but at some point it becomes increasingly irrelevant and i think and i don't

03:22:00.820 mean that as a cop-out answer and i don't feel that spawn's answer is either

03:22:10.260 so i don't mean this to be blasphemous but the clouds are not literally giant brains

03:22:17.940 like we can't go get some of the clouds and like genetic test it and like aha

03:22:25.220 this is from ymir it is a symbolic expression of something we understand some of but we don't

03:22:34.040 understand all of um yes if our gods shaped the entirety of earth out of ymir's pieces

03:22:43.920 then how did these other gods create their version of earth and whatever else and i don't

03:22:50.700 think it's about that i think it's about our gods formed our context for existing you mentioned

03:22:57.860 yigra zil but there's obviously not a tree that separates all the different worlds that's

03:23:04.760 obviously not a literal truth but it is a figurative truth and i think that the more

03:23:11.540 you go back into the times of creation and those myths the more those things where our gods shaped

03:23:18.100 our consciousness and they shaped the context that we developed into if you read our stories

03:23:28.880 it doesn't talk a lot about our gods creating mankind but what it does talk about is our gods

03:23:37.660 finding stuff that exists again I don't think they found two actual logs and did magic over

03:23:45.760 actual logs they found something that was here and infused that something with that godly spark with

03:23:55.480 the breath of life with goodly hue with the aspects that made those two somethings into

03:24:01.960 Aryan man and woman. And they provided the context through our creation story that we

03:24:10.500 understand the world around them and the lens through which we view our reality. So when

03:24:15.620 I talk about Odin, very often I refer to Odin as the god of Aryan consciousness, not because

03:24:20.800 that's found in the lore, but because I think that's the fundamental to the creation myth

03:24:25.780 as he created our consciousness and who we are and who we are is how we see our initial environment.

03:24:36.420 I don't think that the Eddas are meant to be a treatise on, you know, astrophysics of the

03:24:46.260 initial formation of, of the earth in a scientific way. I think they're it literally that process of

03:24:54.580 shaping from the gap to the world that our people found themselves in is creating a context by which

03:25:05.620 we see the world by which we see ourselves in relation to the nature around us by what we see

03:25:13.300 ourselves in relation to our gods by how we see ourselves in relation to the celestial that we

03:25:20.420 see around us and ourselves in relation to how we see each other but i think that story is much

03:25:25.940 more about context than it is about the literal shaping of planetoids um if that makes sense

03:25:36.900 and again i preface this but i don't have the ultimate answers on all of those things

03:25:43.460 but what i've said is true there may be other truth beyond that that i don't know

03:25:49.540 but what i did just relate to you is in fact true there may be bigger or more truth and

03:25:56.020 you know hopefully we all learn more as we go but that truth is true if that makes sense

03:26:04.100 and i hope it does and i hope it it goes towards your question you know any of these things we're

03:26:10.580 not always going to have the the perfect answer but we don't ever want you to think that any of

03:26:15.060 the answers are dodges because they're not we'll be hell i'll be honest about liking wrap snacks

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03:26:31.940 think that i appeal to their core audience um so i don't really think that that a sponsorship from

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03:26:53.540 yeah if i may if i may i wanted to say something too just in relation to the last not that not

03:26:59.540 that question the one before that about the idea of universal uh concepts i think that universalism

03:27:05.700 is a religion or as a religious uh drive i think broad strokes some of the things like

03:27:10.660 Like you might find a universalist religion that correlates itself based around the idea of death that we all share in an end.

03:27:19.300 And sometimes there's a caveat to that, whether it's fear.

03:27:22.680 There's a fear of death or a fear of a reprisal after death.

03:27:28.240 Some philosophies that are universal might build themselves upon supplication to fate or supplication to power beyond themselves.

03:27:37.720 So that is just total supplication to that. And that's a universal tenant or the universal tenant of the idea that we all suffer. And so in order to alleviate suffering, we must try to attain a state of being.

03:27:51.620 And that's something that is the question again is, is that a universal state that can be attained by all peoples? That's an interesting question in and of itself.

03:28:01.820 But coming at that question from understanding there is a folk worldview versus a universal worldview, and universal worldviews have a tendency to be very broad stroked and usually are built around something that is uniquely individual or oftentimes very uniquely to the culture, you know, but not necessarily.

03:28:31.820 like say if it was death as the uh like a cult built around death and um it would have still

03:28:39.340 always carry its kind of home culture with it uh and and spread that out whether it was its form

03:28:45.900 of writing or its form of speaking or its form of acting so there's always kind of a a semi-folk

03:28:52.940 element even to the universal concepts of these religions but those religions still

03:28:59.020 gear themselves towards spreading and that spreading always comes from well you're gonna die

03:29:05.260 right well this is what we think about death so you should think about this way about death too

03:29:11.980 and that is a fundamental difference between a folk religion and a universal concept religion

03:29:18.700 is that we don't have that caveat we don't have that universe universality of idea yes uh perhaps

03:29:27.260 there is uh yes we are all going to die but in what way and how will we live and so and what do

03:29:35.020 we think is important do they think that the things that we think are important are important

03:29:40.060 it doesn't matter unless there's some sort of maybe a connectivity yes they they think of a

03:29:45.580 concept but do they think of all concepts the same no and that would be foolish to believe so so i

03:29:51.340 think that that's why when i am referring to it as like outside of us is not relevant is because i

03:29:59.260 think it's also kind of fruitless to do broad strokes and build our religion is based upon

03:30:07.340 the um the cultivating of the insular guard the the the the wall around the garden and we're

03:30:14.700 focusing on building that within that the the forces without become you know a mitigating factor

03:30:22.060 along just as whether or not it's going to be in the way or or not involved and um religiously

03:30:30.060 you know we see the world in that way so it's it's just there's no point to say oh yeah what

03:30:35.420 those people believe are is stupid and they're wrong i mean you can say that sure but is there

03:30:43.020 there any point to it if you're throwing this investment towards something outside of your wall

03:30:48.420 and you're looking at these broad stroke unifying factors it just becomes spinning wheels and folk

03:30:55.280 religions don't work that way they work about building within concept inside and seeing like

03:31:02.200 what else here ago they said this the the allegoric metaphor meta uh metaphoric and um the correlation

03:31:10.840 to wrapping our mind around divine things and only concerning it within ourselves and who we are.

03:31:16.580 We don't try to coach or guide. And I think that's a big thing because when most people

03:31:24.340 think of Christianity, especially Western Christianity and its cultivation of universal

03:31:28.840 ideals with empire building, colonialism, and all of those things, they try to correlate those two

03:31:35.900 things together. And it's hard for people to see the face of a white man saying, you can believe

03:31:43.240 what you want to believe in. You're not even on my radar. It's very hard, I think, for a lot of

03:31:50.660 people to digest. And that comes from understanding universal versus folk religion

03:31:56.620 uh concepts and ideology absolutely so we got uh two more questions tonight

03:32:04.800 um one is is it true that the blonde blue-eyed people in some of the stan countries are not

03:32:13.220 genetically related to white europeans do you do you have any special knowledge on this spawn

03:32:20.440 uh i mean so a big thing genetics have become a huge part uh there was a the theory about

03:32:27.560 you know the indian invasion theory and you meet especially perusing around on the internet you'll

03:32:33.080 meet any uh number of um indian folks especially they got a big nationalist movement in india

03:32:40.360 and you you even suggest that there was an invasion of uh of um you know lighter skinned white

03:32:47.960 or aryan peoples coming into india uh it causes a huge firestorm and um you know when you look at

03:32:55.240 a lot of the uh structurings of like india their their sculptures and a lot of their buildings

03:33:00.200 and some amazing stuff there i've been studying that for the last like year and a half just about

03:33:05.960 the architecture of some ancient uh indian stuff but um genetics has become a prevalent cornerstone

03:33:14.280 and really laying down that currently what we know right now is, yes, there seems to be this,

03:33:20.840 not just a linguistic connection, not just an archaeological connection, but also a genetic

03:33:26.060 connection between all of these people. And like what Al-Sahir Gaudi was saying, it seems to be a

03:33:31.480 bowing that spreads from a polaric center, Asiatic, or, you know, and then again, we go into all kinds

03:33:40.520 theories about that but it seems to be this spreading bow that goes from europe all the

03:33:47.400 way across and into india that genetically is starting to show there are correlative connections

03:33:53.320 so are there folk in those stan countries i i believe so and i think genetics is starting to

03:34:01.160 show it um but again some of those people in those countries are not folk and they still

03:34:08.040 share the same language with those people um but not this not necessarily the same genetics and

03:34:14.520 it's hard for us to to get that but you know the whole valleys whole nations built around

03:34:18.840 uh being inside these places where they're kind of insular from each other can create these uh

03:34:25.320 kind of genetic time capsules people moved in there at some point then they just remain there

03:34:30.360 and the nation shifts around them and so the overall population might not be folk but there

03:34:35.560 are folk pockets that still remain and genetics has been showing that

03:34:43.240 yeah um i think that those people with those traits are absolutely genetically related

03:34:50.680 in my understanding to to white europeans there is a big like swan said this it's become a big

03:34:58.040 political issue to where they try to suggest that's not the case now i'm not just saying

03:35:05.240 that because they have some of these characteristics they're the same many of them

03:35:09.960 are the result of millennia of admixture but there are as fawn said there are there are pockets

03:35:18.760 and absolutely the migration you see that you see strange anomalous things like the guy that

03:35:25.000 that taught about zen buddhism was a guy comes out of the north the blue hide barbarian with like

03:35:33.480 you know basically described as a bearded white guy you know you see all these strange anomalies

03:35:40.200 there's even legends about genghis khan having like red hair and some caucasian features you

03:35:46.840 find mummies you find a lot of things first of all from original prehistoric migration of people but

03:35:53.880 you also find a lot especially through those stand countries of silk road transit of people that have

03:36:02.520 left genetic markers in those places and especially when you deal with higher caste people in those

03:36:09.160 places and people in the upper echelons of society they often carry over traits from you know many

03:36:16.360 generations of uh different aryan peoples you see that you can see that from the different uh folks

03:36:25.320 that that alexander put in charge of those countries during alexander the great's conquest

03:36:31.560 you also see that with various persians the higher the cast of persians and the more ancient the

03:36:37.800 persians um you know they they prided themselves and described themselves as aryan people that's

03:36:45.240 why iran is named iran the land of the arians so in ancient times certainly there is there is a ton

03:36:54.440 of that there that does genetically absolutely relate to our folk now over time that has

03:36:59.800 diminished greatly but in in in pockets and especially places you mentioned stand countries

03:37:05.400 where they're isolated in in mountain valleys and they don't get out much you you do keep some of

03:37:11.320 those i guess heritage breed folks there um but yeah that's my thoughts on that and the last uh

03:37:21.720 last question of the night is from monk is tear a god of war or a god of justice or both ah

03:37:33.400 nick snuck in more questions on me that's fine we'll answer the other questions too

03:37:38.280 yes uh spawn and i talked about this a little bit earlier as far as justice goes um a god of justice

03:37:45.480 on the uh the cosmic order and on the macro scale but i think that that flows very well

03:37:54.680 into being a god of war um to our ancestors war was

03:38:00.600 putting putting those things to the test war was the ultimate arbitrator of justice for your folk

03:38:11.520 or not your victory in battle wasn't just seen as you know a combination of logistics and tactics

03:38:21.780 it was seen as divine favor or not so those struggles were very much a testing of your

03:38:29.780 hymenia and your spiritual might versus that of your opponent. And in that sense, absolutely,

03:38:37.880 you see the carryover between God of justice and God of war at the same time.

03:38:44.840 But yes, Tyr is absolutely a God of war. He's absolutely a God of justice simultaneous.

03:38:50.580 And in this, the attainment of what is just, the upholding of what is just,

03:38:55.120 and the conformity to truth, fact, and reason, the idea of total law. So the idea would be to see

03:39:02.560 that that which is against the natural law of things is not just. And so justice, I think,

03:39:10.100 holds a lot of meaning now that's different than what I think the intention of true justice is

03:39:16.140 about, which is the maintenance of law, that which is correctly in order, and that which is against

03:39:23.600 is war in ancient times was very often over issues like that like certainly it had to do with

03:39:29.680 economics and expansion and other things but conceptually it had very much to do with the

03:39:36.560 right ordering of society with the natural law of things war was fought very often in an aryan

03:39:42.960 context over over the concept dharma whether that's expressed in india or in iran or whether

03:39:52.160 it was expressed in europe depending on the various area and branches of people the idea

03:39:56.480 of how the world is supposed to be structured and those things were put to the test on the

03:40:02.720 battlefield that was very much a belief of our ancestors then and it's a belief to many now

03:40:09.520 um looks like we've got two more questions unless nick surprises me again uh any plans on building

03:40:19.280 afa physical library not digital with all useful books to preserve and pass the knowledge to future

03:40:26.320 generations every hof should have books for sure um sort of uh there's been talk of that honestly

03:40:40.960 saving up a physical library just in case is a smart thing to do and i don't fault that i don't

03:40:47.680 think that every hof necessarily needs to do that i think that's a a massive investment books are

03:40:53.840 expensive and i think that if any of us look at our own personal libraries be shocking how much

03:40:58.960 money went into those books um we have talked a lot about having a physical library at sigerheim

03:41:05.520 for some of that purpose uh honestly libraries at the hof we've tried that we've had a number of

03:41:12.160 people donate we still you know are doing that effort that's great to have but that hasn't really

03:41:18.480 worked out in anybody you know really using those libraries and i think you know we have books at

03:41:24.480 most of our hofs now and it just it's not something that ends up getting a whole lot of use i think

03:41:30.240 that digital libraries are a much more accessible practical thing for our folk to use but having

03:41:37.760 stuff just in case i think is absolutely smart especially books and sources that uh you feel

03:41:44.400 are likely to be be suppressed or uh or canceled as it were so we would like to have something

03:41:51.760 like that at sigerheim certainly and all right last one what do you think of leftist pagans

03:42:02.480 i see them all over youtube when researching all right so i i've got thoughts but i want spondy

03:42:11.760 i want fun to get it and there's a last little question but i think it'll be an easy one go

03:42:15.280 ahead spawn what are your thoughts on on leftist pagans well i i it's ah okay despicable uh actions

03:42:25.440 in certain context i've seen leftist pagans the one thing that it really strikes me is their usage

03:42:30.880 of the gods in a most unpious manner the one and two ways that i've seen it done that just

03:42:37.800 absolutely like summed up the total uh wrongness of them um was i believe there was like a calendar

03:42:47.480 or something in which they were drawing the gods in like sexually suggestive ways

03:42:51.800 and in uh clearly an abstract out of the norm uh parameters of the way that the gods were

03:43:00.860 portrayed in the story so they're not even considering the gods as divine beings or big

03:43:05.440 uh you know cosmic powers they're seeing these kind of correlative figures in the stories and

03:43:12.820 then they debase them even more uh that saying tear because he has one hand is is uh you know

03:43:19.060 he's um pro uh what do they call it when they're like body positive towards people who have like

03:43:28.600 disabilities or something like that yeah it's it and then they they made a reference to uh sif

03:43:34.460 when she had her hair cut by loki and in their version she's wearing a hijab to cover her bald

03:43:41.640 head and i they are just out there utilizing the gods to really press forward their social agendas

03:43:49.720 they don't have any piety they don't have any devotion to the gods um and those that do have

03:43:56.840 a small inkling it's more of a time they have it for a time and and then it goes away because it

03:44:03.480 dissolves in their logic that can no longer formulate a folkish view a tribal view an

03:44:10.200 ethnic view a view that comes from folkish they're ultimately universalist in their ideals

03:44:16.280 they see that our religion as a universal tenant but then they don't quite know exactly what to

03:44:21.400 build that around what that universal tenant is viking larp uh a cool show on the history channel

03:44:29.480 um a movie they don't know what that universal guiding factor is and that universal guiding

03:44:35.400 factor is language ethnicity uh you know spiritual symbolism and that which we produce together

03:44:43.480 these things make race and uh society you know conjoined together and they cannot accept that

03:44:50.280 they cannot bring that about so then now they're you know slapping rainbows on viking shields and

03:44:57.720 uh you know wearing blackface and coming out to our temples and blowing um yak farting horns

03:45:05.960 on our security cameras and saying that they sticking it to the man and so it just it's it's

03:45:13.640 been comical and sad and unfortunate um that these people uh exist in any capacity towards

03:45:24.600 the devotion towards the gods but at the same time again is it antagonistic they're certainly

03:45:30.140 outlandish they're out in in a good in both senses um they're outlandish but are they

03:45:35.520 antagonistic if they are then i you know we i think that we should see them as something that

03:45:40.600 we should stand up against they certainly see us as some sort of antagonism towards them except

03:45:46.100 the difference is that we don't go to their non-existent temples and try to stop them from

03:45:54.040 you know doing whatever they're doing you're sacrificing twinkies and and internet bloats

03:46:02.260 to the gods um during covid you know with everyone wearing masks and um it's just it's

03:46:09.740 it's absolutely kind of sad clown laughable but also kind of detestable when you really start to

03:46:18.260 ruminate on how deep this kind of narcissistic view that they have of the gods and themselves

03:46:24.100 and their relationship to it and the only thing that they really can build on is i guess the

03:46:28.260 universe the universal factor that they have is hating somebody else and that is the biggest

03:46:36.980 uh self-own is that they're building their entire faith around hating something else or

03:46:44.660 yeah it's ridiculous and we don't do that that's i think one of the most marked differences we we

03:46:50.740 have a love for ourselves and then we share our nobility with others and they don't have that

03:46:55.780 ability to even say that's my take on that so there are there are two types of leftist pagans

03:47:02.820 um there are people that are severely mentally ill and those so

03:47:14.580 there are delusional and mentally ill leftist pagans that mistake insanity for piety

03:47:27.060 And I think those people I feel bad for. And then there is the vast majority of leftist pagans that have no piety or pretense to it that use paganism as a as a political tool to espouse deviant ideas.

03:47:50.540 uh and this typically and and i'll say this there's a lot of um hobbyists that are

03:48:00.300 misguided millennials or you know a lot of young girls that just don't know enough about things

03:48:09.500 yet to to find where they really be where they really belong and hopefully those people will

03:48:14.780 evolve and figure it out. But the vast majority of adult leftist pagans are just contrarian, grumpy,

03:48:24.020 mentally and physically ill people that want to be something other. They flee more traditional,

03:48:35.400 and I say traditional, but more socially accepted and common spiritualities because they don't want

03:48:42.420 conform and they're under the misunderstanding that in all forms of paganism there's just there's

03:48:48.100 no rules there's no structure they immediately go to the most bacchic excess it all becomes

03:48:57.620 uh an escapism from both reality and from any kind of rules of acceptable behavior

03:49:05.300 and they very quickly become militant there's no thought to the divinity of the gods there's

03:49:10.020 no thought to pleasing or displeasing the gods the gods are at you know tools for them to

03:49:19.940 i don't know be abusive with their extreme lefty views but one of the things that is is

03:49:28.100 shockingly common is just how

03:49:36.340 horribly

03:49:40.020 gross isn't the kind word but i don't know what else to say like

03:49:46.980 for example we had somebody you know comically

03:49:52.380 listen in on a virtual troth move that they were doing and then they posted some pictures to show

03:50:03.000 us this menagerie of creatures. The poor mental health was written all over their face. They

03:50:16.200 looked beyond your worst caricature of what you would laughingly draw those people as. And I'm

03:50:24.880 not saying this to be mean. I promise this is 100% honest. They were all of them morbidly obese,

03:50:33.000 crazy eyed very ugly

03:50:38.980 gender uncomfortable like in like as ambiguous gender as they could be with their little

03:50:48.480 pronouns and their stuff the mental illness is extreme there and and i think there's a reason

03:50:56.840 that that all coalesces into the same you know drain catch it gets these people that are are

03:51:04.520 very very disturbed and uh yeah leftist leftist pagans are you know we have much more in common

03:51:15.080 with conservative christians than we do with leftist pagans leftist pagans are a

03:51:26.840 I'm going to just go out and say, I think that they're very dangerous. And I think that they're

03:51:32.360 extremely dangerous to children. Their mental illness is very concerning. It's one of the

03:51:39.780 things that we've had people join the AFA, even leaders or former leaders in leftist pagan

03:51:45.500 organizations. And these are, you know, liberal millennial women often. But once they have a

03:51:52.260 a child or they have families all the crazy lefty ideas conflict with every force of nature that as

03:52:00.500 a parent tells them you know get my kids away from this freak show um it's one of the things

03:52:06.980 i'm very proud about the astro folk assembly is people feel safe having their children around us

03:52:12.820 you know even very far politically left people find that they don't feel safe at all having

03:52:18.660 their kids around these people that are that drastically mentally ill and i think there's

03:52:24.820 a reason for that it's cool we can all sit on here and have a great time laughing and making

03:52:29.140 fun of these people and certainly they are worthy of a lot of scorn and ridicule but at the end of

03:52:33.940 the day it is a epidemic level of mental illness that is a danger to themselves to their families

03:52:42.340 and it's something that i couldn't imagine being far enough away from

03:52:50.100 and there's one thing i would say too uh if you read and believe and have faith in the gods and

03:52:56.260 you see the gods as an exemplary um facet to incorporate into your life the way you can tell

03:53:02.740 whether you're on the sides of the gods or on the sides of the chaotic forces is if you see those

03:53:08.900 stories and you exemplify them to create your own ausgar to create your own ethival the plane of

03:53:14.860 work that you cultivate and build upon and you have no i mean we don't really think about them

03:53:21.040 outside of our we're always doing our own thing if you are building and growing and creating your

03:53:27.380 own heaven uh where things are good you're on the side of the gods if you're down in the eastern

03:53:33.900 shaded areas looking up at the vaulted heaven, gnashing at your teeth, just hating everything

03:53:40.140 about that's going on up there, guess what side you're on? You're not on the side of the gods.

03:53:45.760 Indeed. So real deal, last question of the night. This is a pretty simple one. Quickly from

03:53:53.060 Ali. Witten Svan, is it okay to use the Folk Futhark for divination or should that be reserved

03:53:59.260 for writing uh yeah this is a i think this is an easy question yes you can it's built for writing

03:54:07.940 but if you look at if you read any runic book you'll see like sometimes like uh you'll see the

03:54:12.820 kind of agreed upon or the most commonly used and then you might see some variations that were found

03:54:18.800 on stone carvings or things like that the symbols uh you know that that you might have preference

03:54:23.420 or you might have preference of the anglo-phrygian you might have preference of the elder you might

03:54:27.160 of preference of the Younger or the Armanin, by all means, nobody would ever say, hey, don't use

03:54:32.500 the Armanin. That's ridiculous. I mean, maybe that's an opinion, but I would say overall,

03:54:37.540 nobody's going to sit there and say, don't use it. And the Folk Futhark is a combination of all

03:54:43.040 of those. But remember, it is technically, it's the Elder Futhark with the correlation of other

03:54:50.140 Futharks in symbolic usage. So, I mean, if you're using the Elder Futhark and you feel a connectivity

03:54:56.880 to it i would say sure why not but at the same time too it's it's it's not as a place of authority

03:55:04.140 in this yes you should use it but you do want to know it if you want to read some of the stuff

03:55:09.100 that's on that's being written yes but that's up to you and i really think that's a super easy

03:55:16.140 question it is we're keeping it to the elder futhark but with different pictures it's one of

03:55:22.420 things i think it's important for everybody to step back and realize the rune is the mystery

03:55:28.260 that's depicted by the picture the staves or the the little straight lines that make the little

03:55:33.700 rune pictures that's not the point the point is the principle that those staves represent

03:55:42.900 you could make them look like whatever you want it's their correlation to the mystery and to that

03:55:49.780 value that matters the rest is just uh you know sigil legitimately is sigil magic right

03:55:58.740 and how correlated to how you interact with it so if you feel a connection yeah if you don't

03:56:06.260 absolutely all right well thank you guys so much for being with us tonight and for all your great

03:56:12.100 questions uh thank you so much as always it's fun you blow everybody away with your with your wisdom

03:56:18.820 on this stuff um people look forward to your episodes we appreciate having you on

03:56:26.180 thanks for having me it's always a ball especially tonight this is a good one it's been a fun night

03:56:33.300 yeah lots of great questions the remaining remaining few days of yule i hope you guys

03:56:38.980 have a great celebration with your kindred your families uh your friends

03:56:43.780 keep the gods in mind and in your heart as you as you finish out this yule season

03:56:52.380 and you know i hope you all hit the uh the next year 2023 running at full steam

03:56:58.340 uh hail the gods hail the folk hail the afa and remember victory never sleeps good night guys

03:57:13.780 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - December 29, 2022

12⧸28⧸22 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 25 - Týr

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