Asatru Folk Assembly - 2⧸22⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 33 - Váli

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00:03:00.000 Hello, and welcome to another exciting episode of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:24.000 um this last week has flown by doesn't seem like it's been a whole week since our last episode

00:03:32.560 uh as always it's great to talk to you guys again tonight um

00:03:42.000 yeah just thinking we've got this broadcast and i try to keep up with the numbers some of our guys

00:03:46.800 helped us on the back end but i appreciate everybody who watches this show and participates

00:03:51.840 live everybody who listens on spotify adding those numbers up and taking a look at it it uh

00:03:58.400 it really does make it far and wide so i'm i'm excited that uh at the reach of this program and

00:04:04.960 and it's an audience driven show so i appreciate you guys with all your great questions every week

00:04:15.200 so nick will post up the dates but we've got ostara in the south coming up

00:04:20.240 osara in the south takes place at thorshoff in linden north carolina we would love to see

00:04:26.560 all of you guys there um you know anybody who's in the area absolutely but even if you live a

00:04:33.520 little bit far off you got a little bit of time to make some arrangements we'd love to see out

00:04:37.200 there it's a beautiful spot it's a place that's near and dear to my heart um yeah if you're not

00:04:44.240 a member and you and you still want to attend or whatever please make sure you reach out to

00:04:47.600 your local folk builder and we can try to get you um get you set up so we can make that happen

00:04:53.760 but yeah i'm looking forward to seeing all my uh afa family and thor's off down there

00:05:01.440 i think that's uh where we're at our last uh episode with with swan on the gods i was not

00:05:07.920 able to be here for we had a stomach bug going through my house so thankfully whit and brandy

00:05:14.000 um stepped in and and did a great job as she always does but it's good to be back on tonight

00:05:21.000 and it's good to be back on with my good friend Svon hey Svon how you doing tonight welcome and

00:05:25.280 thanks for joining us hi how's it going doing doing well rushing in uh swooping in at the

00:05:33.100 last minute from work so counts yep counts we were nervous but it counts I'm terribly sorry

00:05:41.040 to cause the nervousness, but yes. Why? You were on time. Yes, but it's, yeah, I know the nerves

00:05:50.740 on wire sometimes with me and timing, especially just because of work. You make an impact. If

00:05:59.140 everybody's like waiting on you to show up, then it's like a grand entrance. All right. Well, so

00:06:06.840 can you introduce the audience uh again and admittedly so um just like uh vidar last week

00:06:18.760 valley is a less uh less talked about um one of our gods with less material for us to work from

00:06:28.440 and one of our gods that i think a lot of people listening uh may be completely unfamiliar with so

00:06:34.620 Could you kind of give folks what they need to know about Lord Valley?

00:06:41.080 Yes, it's rightfully so that there's a sense of this is one of those moments in which I think the gods really do interact.

00:06:55.500 I think in our sense, we have so little to go on in lore that a lot of the true body of Vaoli comes from devotional act.

00:07:12.240 It's kind of beautiful in that way in the sense that there's a little tiny amount of foundational fragments.

00:07:19.760 uh, you know, he's only mentioned, um, twice or three times, and then also mentioned once by,

00:07:26.760 um, Saxo Grammaticus in his writings. Um, it is also worth noting though, uh, a huge influential

00:07:34.540 part of the, uh, AFA's, um, uh, learning of Vali too, also pulls from Hauxbach, which is an

00:07:45.440 interesting um uh manuscript as well so i think that's worth noting but you know this foundation

00:07:52.680 of lore is very very scant and i think that there's also a purposeful sense that vidar and

00:08:00.720 vali are oftentimes grouped together and that's because of the significance of their placement

00:08:07.400 after, you know, all things come apart and return back together.

00:08:13.260 But Vali really is, in essence, the swift action or the immediacy of karma.

00:08:23.040 And I use, you know, these words because I think people are familiar with them.

00:08:28.500 Or it even would be like the immediate hinging of dharma.

00:08:34.300 like it's uh that um because something is so far out of the rightness of natural law

00:08:43.720 then valley is the corrector of it in almost an immediate sense whereas opposed to uh last time

00:08:52.260 we were talking about vidar and the slow culmination of the build-up of what corrective

00:08:58.240 action must be taken, and that oftentimes he's formulated in a disciplined sense.

00:09:05.580 Vaoli is seen as immediate and not disciplined, but ragefully moving forward and swiftly.

00:09:13.740 So Vaoli is often seen as a furious avenger of immediate correction to dharma, or correction

00:09:23.140 to natural law correct to right action and and cosmic order that's that's kind of a

00:09:31.940 that's a that's a bit of a doozy to start okay for people that are completely unfamiliar with

00:09:38.740 the story can you tell folks you know what karma or what workings of dharma valley is enacting

00:09:50.500 What is he avenging? How does that work? How does he play into that story for folks that are

00:09:56.820 completely unfamiliar? Well, so it is said that after Baldr is slain by the mistletoe that is

00:10:10.420 ultimately thrown by his brother, Hodr. Hodr is left in the sense that he's committed a great

00:10:18.420 travesty of killing his brother but he was also guided by loki and loki is the brother or the

00:10:26.980 mixed of they made blood oath or blood brother to to olin and um so in essence he is a kinslayer as

00:10:35.540 well and this leaves a very uh strange place for things to happen and in a way he he's mentioned

00:10:47.620 that he is born of Rinder and that he is not but one night old when he slays Balder's adversaries,

00:10:57.660 how it's translated. And this is in reference to Hother, who isn't actually his adversary,

00:11:04.640 except if you're looking at like this, the Saxo-Grammaticus version. But again, he doesn't

00:11:12.120 slay balder in saxo's um version but he is one night old and he is not even cleaned nor is his

00:11:22.600 hair cut or combed and he enacts an immediate slaying upon holder to correct the moment

00:11:32.680 loki escapes and then the gods begin to search for loki and after mourning the death of balder

00:11:40.760 and doing the correct funerary rites or the funerary rites that are described in the in the

00:11:46.120 adas uh and i think we're all familiar with that and then then the enactment of judgment upon loki

00:11:53.400 is then focused on so valley has a small mention there and it's worth noting that the little

00:12:02.840 things that are mentioned there are about time i think that when we talk about mythic stories

00:12:10.760 When we think of a God being born, but only one night old, and it's joked about the idea that he's a baby, or in this case, he's a baby, but we're talking about divine beings.

00:12:24.080 It's instantaneous birth. It's instantaneous creation of a being that sole purpose is to immediately rectify that which must be corrected in order to bring balance back, to make right.

00:12:45.280 So he becomes the fulcrum of the scales, if you will.

00:12:54.080 So, you know, he's mentioned there, and then, of course, there is some confusion about later on when dealing with Loki, and I figured we'd cover that a little later.

00:13:01.980 So I've always seen Vowli as more so the god of vengeance in an immediate action, but I think from more a divine sense and less from a personage sense, a sense in which the gods would enact Vowli immediately to correct something that was grievously wrong.

00:13:25.220 well before we move on really quick i see a couple of things in the chat

00:13:34.120 buck i know you're not on for a long time it's good to see i'm glad you stopped in to say hi

00:13:38.760 he also mentioned about making a donation if folks want to donate during the program or

00:13:43.900 participate in super chat that's something you do on entropy and nick can pop up the link

00:13:49.360 And also, looks like Hunter is joining us for his first edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:13:57.900 So, hey, Hunter, we're glad you made it.

00:14:00.380 That said, I think that we don't have a ton of material on Valley.

00:14:07.040 I think that the material that we have is very powerful, perhaps powerful in its brevity.

00:14:14.640 And I also think gross as it may be, I think that the imagery of, you know, him still being covered in the afterbirth, like he doesn't wash, he doesn't do anything.

00:14:28.400 He goes immediately from birth to fulfilling his mission and there'll be time to, you know, shower and comb his hair later.

00:14:37.860 I think that really that really speaks to me, the imagery on that.

00:14:41.920 um yes and it's based you know the presumption again it's not mentioned that he's a baby

00:14:48.160 it's it's mentioned that he is a god born and that not one night old or and and so you know

00:14:55.920 the the the clingings of being created and it's interesting to who vali springs from

00:15:03.900 um he springs from the ausenia render r-i-n-d-r and render is uh sometimes referred to as a joten

00:15:14.400 and in saxo grammaticus of course he you hemorrhizes all of the gods so she's seen as a

00:15:20.880 princess of the ruthians who are um uh in modern day like ukraine poland is where they were around

00:15:30.200 at that time but rinder is one of the many ausenir that have aspects of the earth that

00:15:39.400 that she is her dominion is a threshold of the earth uh our ausitru has many um goddesses who

00:15:47.500 are you know points of focus in which they take that that power that is the earth the primordial

00:15:55.380 power that is the earth um this very same thing that that olden villian ve shaped um there are

00:16:01.540 many goddesses that uh you know represent those that some people have a tendency to kind of cram

00:16:07.460 them all together um and and and kind of make a you know a just a broad sense kind of earth goddess

00:16:16.500 earth mom and i think that's very outside of the norm of of hard polytheism um and rinder

00:16:25.300 is representative of the rind, the crust, and in reference linguistically to ice, the rind of ice

00:16:35.780 or the cold. So she's often seen as the goddess that brings about the encapsulation of the earth,

00:16:43.560 the crystalline snow and ice admixture. It's believed that she may have some correlations

00:16:52.700 to the anglo-saxon goddess hretha uh who is also honored around this time with an actual month

00:16:59.740 um but that's you know up to speculation but the rinder is most likely in reference to not the

00:17:06.460 crust of the earth but like a crust of the ice so from this kind of uh cold stasis this uh protomatter

00:17:14.380 that's still is cracked, severed, and out comes Vaoli in immediacy. So everything about Vaoli is

00:17:23.020 like, it's like a lightning strike or a vengeful arrow from the heavens, if you will.

00:17:37.180 All right, well, we're happy to take any questions you guys may have about Vaoli or about anything

00:17:43.340 else in the meantime um the picture and we're using a picture out of the same manuscript to

00:17:51.020 illustrate um for seti as well picture's kind of an ugly little picture i didn't choose it because

00:17:58.220 of that i did choose it because it was old and it was unique and uh it's fun i don't know if you have

00:18:04.700 any background on uh this particular manuscript but it's from the mid 1600s i believe and it's in

00:18:14.220 somebody's private uh collection and it's got kind of the the people that handed it down i think it's

00:18:20.780 in a swedish collection but i'm not sure so i'm not sure if you're familiar or not i i am a little

00:18:26.620 i'm familiar with it but like i'm not familiar actually with the item the item's been speculated

00:18:31.340 about most people have had have assumed that it's a drinking horn that he's carrying but it just was

00:18:37.100 not drawn with a significant curvature um but again not i mean i don't know it's interesting

00:18:45.660 about the the imagery in that manuscript like uh you you had talked about uh the imagery of odin

00:18:52.140 and that's very interesting with it with what he's carrying but i would also like to make

00:18:56.380 point that the really the interesting thing i found about it was the use of the w the w the v

00:19:02.780 and the dropping of the w um this happened in in our language with the h a lot and with the g um

00:19:11.740 the g becoming more silent but still used h was oftentimes dropped completely excuse me and um

00:19:18.620 So the V and W as a letter were interchangeably used oftentimes with the sound V. So most people are familiar with like Vodanas or Votan or Vodin or Vodin and that's when that shift starts to happen where our language begins to overemphasize the double V as it's called even in Icelandic.

00:19:46.240 the w is is the w and um so in here you see the w is used but uh you know there's no accent over

00:19:56.380 the a so it's it's it's valle is is how that would be read but um a lot of people you know again

00:20:04.540 that's pretty close to the uh americanized english version most people say volley um

00:20:12.240 And in the Old Norse, or even in Icelandic now, the valli is that dash above the a makes an au sound.

00:20:20.600 So, and again, allusions to the name, the vall, vall meaning, again, we see it with the valkyrie or the valkyria.

00:20:32.820 We see it with vallhalla or vallhall.

00:20:35.980 um and so it it it denotes choosing and that's a truly interesting thing when you consider

00:20:44.260 his father volvin or ovin is the chooser he's the chooser of the sling uh the the the valkyries are

00:20:53.580 the ones that physically enact his choosing he's the vowel father he he chooses the father of

00:20:59.840 choosing and uh his hall is val hall so again this immediacy in valley is emphasized in his name

00:21:10.320 that uh again it's specific it's very very focused and again as we read the lore it seems to be

00:21:19.700 clearly in this in the sense of correcting immediacy in balance because uh as it is kind

00:21:29.680 of seen that in holder is needed to be taken down because of the travesty that he committed

00:21:36.520 against his brother but it's not seen as necessarily uh an extreme case of vengeance

00:21:44.660 where the there was a malicious sense of it it needed to be enacted outside of uh you know the

00:21:53.320 the intent being uh criminal it wasn't criminal it was accidental but valley nonetheless had to enact

00:22:01.640 it and this of course has a lot of connections to the idea of the darkness of the soul or the

00:22:06.200 darkness of the folk soul the blindness of the folk soul versus the light and the bravery of the

00:22:11.320 folk soul balder and how those two have to be rejoined in order to create the woe itself as we've

00:22:18.200 um discussed um previously not not in victory never sees but in in uh uh some of the ghosts

00:22:24.840 gothar uh classes on the soul so i think in a way this is very much that that union um but

00:22:33.000 from the gods themselves and their components kind of unifying to create that perfect self

00:22:42.760 that must be contained till it can be released and valley is the trigger one thing i'm excited about

00:22:52.520 i don't know if you guys talked about this um two weeks ago when you guys did vidar but uh

00:23:01.640 are when we're able to establish hofs to these gods that

00:23:07.720 are as obscure in the lore as they've come down to us i think that's a very special opportunity

00:23:17.320 for us to build and develop a relationship with with divine powers that uh our folk have not

00:23:24.700 given due reverence to in a very very long time i think more so than than any of the others on

00:23:31.880 on our list and i think that's kind of a special opportunity so much of this is something that

00:23:37.700 we can be part of that foundational generation of building building those associations with

00:23:46.140 with these gods and building that relationship in a way you know i've always theorized you guys

00:23:53.200 may have heard me say this before but the lore is very very helpful and we're very blessed that we

00:23:59.380 have it but our connections to our gods is in our very our very bones and if we found ourselves

00:24:06.900 you know in a different time in a different place with with no lore we exist our gods exist and

00:24:14.780 we'd still be able to build a relationship with them in some way and I think in a lot of ways

00:24:19.020 we're forging a fresh path with our relationship with Vidar and with Valli

00:24:24.620 and so I'm very excited for that I think that's a really cool opportunity

00:24:28.980 I yeah I think that a lot of folks have often wondered pondered about exactly how

00:24:36.200 uh volley would play a spiritual component or how his dominion would would kind of intermix

00:24:43.760 in in in our lives and i i um i really do find the power of volley is in actions that we cannot

00:24:51.240 pass back through that um oftentimes i've associated him with uh decisions made at moments

00:24:59.120 in which you there are only two choices or maybe there's a multiple of choices but the choice that

00:25:05.260 you make allows for no return an immediacy of action that creates your weird or or it it destines

00:25:16.780 you in a direction that the other ones become unavailable and i've also found him uh in a

00:25:23.480 heavily in a warrior ethos especially when we um i i was a rifleman in the marine corps and um

00:25:31.620 The idea is, you know, once the round goes down range, you can't take it back.

00:25:37.580 And so the heavy cost of negligence before and also to while you're there in the immediate moment,

00:25:48.520 knowing that the moment you take that action, there's nothing else.

00:25:52.500 You could have another action very similar to it, but that action and that action alone is it forever.

00:25:59.120 and i find that power to be something greatly it has a lot of power to meditate on because we don't

00:26:07.720 oftentimes find ourselves we don't as humans we don't like to end up in those moments where we

00:26:11.680 have only one one choice and we like to you know deliberate think uh have multiple options or even

00:26:20.260 people helping us then and valley's true power i think resides in um thresholds of action that

00:26:29.060 cannot go back and i think this this implies also to as well to the universe itself and his

00:26:35.300 interaction within weird uh and oftentimes i would say even as the in the god's discretion

00:26:43.060 He enacts his actions based upon the way that gods have deemed correctiveness that needs to be done as well.

00:26:54.040 Because it is mentioned he is a – the exact word is losing me – not a magnificent marksman.

00:27:09.680 What is the word? Let me look it up here real quick.

00:27:13.060 in uh it's in the gilfaggening he's spoken of as

00:27:24.260 oh let me see here now now of course it's like

00:27:31.700 fortunate most fortunate fortunate that's it that's i knew it was an interesting one because

00:27:40.260 The reason why I wanted to bring that up, the usage of the word fortunate or lucky or filled with, in essence, divine happenstance, which our ancestors did not take to mean just haphazardly scattered, but as in essence a buildup of the tipping point that leads towards good fortune or correct landing of the attainment.

00:28:10.260 of the goal, if you will. So I thought fortunate was an interesting choice of word. Yeah, I think

00:28:17.680 so as well. Something that, I think an important connection. We always talk about how

00:28:25.860 luck and the manifestation of luck increases when you're taking right action at the right time.

00:28:35.220 The more you are in the flow of Dharma, the more you are doing things, the right things in the right season, and the more you create a momentum of right action, the more synchronicity occurs and the more that, the more you get lucky, as it were.

00:28:54.880 And so I think that's interesting here, especially because so much of what we have on Valley is is time sensitive.

00:29:03.880 Like he didn't sit around and wait for the opportunity. He was born. He hit the ground running to to complete his mission.

00:29:11.880 Doing that in a timely way was very important. And I think that, you know, acting in that fashion yields luck.

00:29:21.440 we have some questions stacking up i know a couple of these are things that you've

00:29:26.560 i've seen you answer in different contexts so first one is to witness fun if giants are forces

00:29:33.520 of chaos and are bad how come many of our gods are giants and or buried to them thanks

00:29:42.000 okay so a couple things to remember jotun has two real kind of deep origins one is

00:29:50.880 that it is old, ancient. It comes from a long time. And then the other is consumptiveness.

00:29:59.800 Now, the consumptiveness part is, I think, what we would kind of consider more in the chaos realm.

00:30:06.100 But the idea of a Jotun being old or ancient or timed, unremembered, is important.

00:30:14.640 When we look at the classification of Jotun, I think that Snorri Sturluson had some poetic need to place that title on a lot, especially in consideration of the time and I think also too of his religiosity, which I don't think was highly geared towards rekindling the faith of the gods, but more so keeping in correct, you know, meter of poetry.

00:30:43.200 So you find that mix-up kind of, I think, happening. But a Jotun is not like a separate race or a separate being, as it is more so, again, denoting ancientness.

00:31:00.900 And that the gods are not necessarily new beings either, but that the name Aus means a pillar or a structural connectivity, the vertical in the world or in the worlds or just in essence of power.

00:31:17.200 And that structuring is about support and about creating structure and order.

00:31:21.900 So when we talk about the Jotuns in context to the lore, there is some necessity to piece things together.

00:31:31.540 But it's worth noting, like for instance, most people would say, oh, well, the Jotuns come from Ymir, and after Ymir was flooded, or the deluge of his blood, that Beriyalmer and his wife, unnamed in the poem, descend all of those Jotuns.

00:31:50.420 But it's, again, worth noting that in Muspelheim, the sons of Muspel are also considered Jotuns. So if you take the context of them being elder beings, primordial, timeless, unencapsulated by even what I would call the middle world's time, the material world, where time is something.

00:32:14.740 Um, you know, the, the sons of Muspel and the, uh, the Jotans of Nevelheim exist before the formulation of Ymir.

00:32:27.720 and it is with the the um these two realms when we think of jotens or beings or powers

00:32:34.120 emanating from there we have fire the expansive power energy heat culmination whatever it might

00:32:40.840 be considered uh cosmic radiation uh or or just the the ignition spark and then you have niflheim

00:32:49.480 as the proto matter all of that which is condensed and outside of time and when they come close to

00:32:56.680 together they break apart and create the middle um and they fill the gap and there are it's

00:33:04.760 described that these jotens exist there as well so it's it's it's very hard for a lot of people

00:33:10.520 as they're reading the stories to to consider that as they kind of get lumped all together

00:33:16.500 and it's you know the first house when burry is is it comes about he he goes into niflheim into

00:33:24.300 the creation of the creation and he has a son named bor and and again it doesn't mention

00:33:31.740 how that is done it's presumed obviously and then it does kind of emphasize that presumption

00:33:37.660 with more having his wife best law best law the one who besets or begins things like to beset the

00:33:45.020 table um is the beginning the structural support in which the foundations of the

00:33:50.460 Aesir will come about from these two powers, and she is mentioned as a Jotun,

00:33:58.140 a Nivelheim Jotun, not connection to Ymir. So when we look at Ymir, we see the ancient

00:34:05.580 Jotuns that hold that grudge against the gods, that fate that they have wrought upon themselves.

00:34:14.140 And even then, as we go, it's seen as a generational thing.

00:34:17.620 There are deformities of them, the thirsts that kind of fall from them, and they are foul and not very bright, and they seem to be of ill intent.

00:34:33.260 And then the Risi are oftentimes seen as Jotunar that are kind of in between. Perhaps they're Nivelheim, perhaps they're from Ymir, but they have a sense of intelligence, a sense of movement about them that has an idea outside of vengeance and consumption or destruction.

00:34:54.000 And the Jotuns that take in, they align themselves with the Aesir, become Aesir themselves.

00:35:03.860 It's the same that was done with the Vanir.

00:35:06.720 The Vanir gods, once they bring themselves into alignment, when natural law and cosmic order correctively align themselves, they are often too referred to as Aos.

00:35:17.920 Frey is often referred to as the brightest of the Aos or the most beloved of the Aos.

00:35:22.360 And so I have always taken it that when we talk about divine forces that align themselves with the gods in either betrothal or in aiding them or overtly aiding them, and then also too by bearing children or, in essence, another divine being comes from them co-mixing their energies or their dominions in a new form or way.

00:35:52.360 takes place, you find that that alignment is very important to consider. So again, with Rinder

00:36:00.360 being the mother of Vaoli, in essence, she has aligned herself with the Aesir. And again,

00:36:09.880 I would even argue with Gríðr, who is Vidar's mother. And she is another, again, dominion

00:36:16.040 aspect of the primordial natures of the earth. A lot of the conflict of the earth and the

00:36:22.340 power and the pressure of the earth grither also helps thor uh she gives him a uh an iron rod to

00:36:29.620 protect himself and so again overtly aiding the gods and i think that that was not lost on our on

00:36:37.380 our ancestors when they heard these stories i think there's a a progression and an evolution

00:36:45.540 there that's a thing as well when you deal with the yotnar um

00:36:53.860 as fawn said there's a lot of different varieties but in a fundamental way they very often are

00:37:02.660 very primal forces that aren't governed by consciousness that aren't governed by the

00:37:10.100 higher self they're governed by the lower nature they're very primal they're very ancient always

00:37:15.860 this idea of these old and you know venerably wise um creatures from the from the primal realm

00:37:27.300 and you see that and as time goes on

00:37:32.580 that's where our gods come from and as time goes on there's this progression that happens

00:37:39.220 just as odin and villian vey find you know logs or they find something existing on the beach

00:37:49.540 from that that was they imbue it with these gifts of divinity the the goodly hue and the the the

00:37:56.580 spark of consciousness and the breath of life these things then become arian mankind you have

00:38:05.620 this generations of these primal very powerful very potent primal forces and from them is born

00:38:14.100 these forces of consciousness and you see that when when odin and the isir

00:38:20.820 are separate from from the yotnar they are they're the forces of consciousness they're the astral

00:38:26.500 they're upward facing and forward leaning and evolving into into something more they have this

00:38:33.940 consciousness directing them. And as you see, you know, Yotnar choosing to interact with this

00:38:41.580 consciousness and become more, then they get incorporated, or perhaps they get married to

00:38:46.600 an house, and they become more, and it's a little bit different of a category, but you have these

00:38:52.860 that are stuck in the primal that, you know, are forces of chaos and chaotic destruction and

00:39:00.580 consumption. And also you see their offspring that are outside of that, that astral consciousness

00:39:06.500 become, you know, deformed ogres and, you know, mutants and, and freaks. And I think you really,

00:39:15.700 you really see that process. And then there's something to be said about our gods, these forces

00:39:19.980 of consciousness, going back and seeking, you know, and mating with these very primal elements

00:39:27.220 in order to produce new gods or in order to produce new spiritual life into the world like

00:39:33.140 we see with valley um and i think that's that's potent as well to think on uh you notice this

00:39:40.820 this degradation of things there's a within chaos and within the primal there's this very potent

00:39:47.460 magic you often see the the very old and the more you know lofty yotnar are are great magicians

00:39:56.180 and and have magical power and you see thor put up against this magical power when he travels in

00:40:01.980 the east and he's fighting the otans and i think there's there's something for him for that when

00:40:07.960 the isir have to tap into the primal in order to you know to add that potency in these things so

00:40:16.160 much of what we see in our lore is a duality between um the astral or the consciousness and

00:40:23.120 the primal and that needs to be in the right order if if it's inversed and if the primal is

00:40:28.820 overruling the astral you have chaos and you have you have um you have disorder but when it's

00:40:37.080 inversed and you have the astral that's controlling and directing the primal chaos that's when you see

00:40:42.960 some of the most potent magic in our uh in our lore occur and so the the yotan art is a very

00:40:49.340 complex question because they're not built of different stuff yotans are different than gods

00:40:56.140 are different than mankind but fundamentally we're all pieces of a connected cosmos

00:41:03.420 and each racial group of people has these things but it's not as though the vanier and and the

00:41:09.580 yotnar and the isir are fundamentally different you know races of people it's not it's not so

00:41:16.620 much that. There's states of development of divine energy. Yeah, I joked a little bit over

00:41:24.380 Charming of the Plow, and it was kind of a, there was a joke about the anglo-centrism of this

00:41:31.260 comment, but worth noting just for, to kind of mull it over in your mind, is like the Jotnar,

00:41:39.260 The Vanir and the Aesir are not so singularly different. It would be much akin to, and I'm not trying to humorize the gods, I'm trying to lay out a map in which perhaps can better help you tackle this subject.

00:41:58.680 is like the germans or the alemani and the franx and the anglo-saxons clearly different people even

00:42:08.280 so more so over time and with influences and interactions and with destinies of their own

00:42:15.720 each of these three groups have connections but also their own kind of ideals that make them

00:42:24.440 unique and so to understand that i think that a lot of people desperately try to think of

00:42:29.720 the jotens as some sort of like comic book characters that are uh you know of an entirely

00:42:36.120 different cut but i'll tell you ago they did say it best it is the interaction of divine energies

00:42:41.400 and powers that culminate as these divine beings these willful non-corporal beings and much of

00:42:48.920 them are in various stages from the primordial to that which cyclically happens to that which is

00:42:55.240 eternal and i think something else that i think is worth noting in our lore and this is throughout

00:43:00.840 our lore um in the poetic description noble-mindedness equals beauty noble-mindedness

00:43:14.280 equals you know fair of skin you know clear eyes noble bearing strong proud straight stanced and

00:43:24.840 as you get into people who are forces who are controlled by the uh by the primal or controlled

00:43:32.120 by you know the the base inclinations of man and not by nobility they're depicted very often in

00:43:41.240 a mutated form they're dwarves or they're hunchbacked or they're they're ugly and warty

00:43:46.440 or have multiple heads they're freakish so the noble and those who are um ascending towards

00:43:53.480 the astral those who are forward-facing are poetically described as as beautiful and as

00:44:01.560 as strong and healthy and robust and those that stop moving forward that stop progressing and

00:44:07.880 becoming more that let entropy set in they metastasize you see that at as legends where

00:44:14.680 people you know become dragons over time sitting on their horde being miserly and they they

00:44:21.240 become deformed over time or people who are physically warped by greed or by uh you know

00:44:29.160 by lust or by gluttony they become physically ugly as a manifestation of that and i think

00:44:35.560 that's what you see a lot in the depiction of the yotnar especially the the later generations of

00:44:41.400 them that coexist with mankind and the gods next question is i have read that valley is one to

00:44:51.560 survive ragnarok is there a specific reason or cause for him surviving what do you think swan

00:44:59.000 no again that's uh that's another interesting thing that kind of differentiates um

00:45:03.560 Um, Vali from Vidar. Vidar is intimately connected to Ragnarok. He is this, he is the wolf slayer. He is, you know, Fenris wolf's slayer. He pierces his heart, rips him asunder.

00:45:15.380 um vali is not mentioned um and so he's only mentioned as afterwards in which then he and

00:45:27.420 vidar return back into the into the temples and into the halls of the gods on ethel which is in

00:45:35.000 heaven that they return back to back to those places and find the golden remnants of of the

00:45:42.920 the foundations of the gods their the parentage before and that they then too must carry on

00:45:49.380 that um that goal that mission of of you know cosmic order and so unfortunately there's there's

00:45:57.880 really no mention of it except after the fact he is he strides with vidar back into the halls of

00:46:04.700 the gods or the and then in the plane of the gods though the either of all is the the plane of work

00:46:10.340 or the the toiling plane it's the place within heaven in which they build ausgard um and so

00:46:17.740 that's how we know he survives um but it doesn't state exactly how he's not given um a place in

00:46:26.560 um the the poetics even magni and moldy of thor take up the weapons of their of their father

00:46:38.120 and so it's worth noting that again that's why we really hit on is that it's so scant

00:46:43.400 in as far as the lore goes but yet still he pervades and is is shown to be there

00:46:51.880 so i think there you know there certainly might be more to it than this but one thing i do think is

00:46:59.080 relevant and we see it in in that myth in particular is

00:47:03.560 again with the with the generational progression ragnarok in a cyclical sense is the end of a cycle

00:47:13.560 it's the culmination and fulfillment of of the play or of the story and then things start fresh

00:47:21.480 and we see that in new because the story of of

00:47:26.680 after the waters recede and what they do to re-establish ausgard is

00:47:33.800 very similar to what our gods do in the the original creation it's it's bringing everything

00:47:38.360 full circle now our gods because to help us explore understand them better and because

00:47:49.240 heritage is so very important to our people all of our gods have a lineage that tells us about who

00:47:55.480 they are and most of the gods that that we are that we worship are are described in some way as

00:48:03.240 a son of odin but these gods are different there's certain gods that are always depicted as a son

00:48:18.600 as opposed to in their own right always they are like the next generation of the all-father like

00:48:25.800 magni and modi are you know they exist simultaneous to thor but they are poetically the next

00:48:34.440 generation of four that takes it into the new age and you see that very much in the same way with

00:48:41.000 Vidar and with Valli this idea and with Balder who again all the stories connect Balder back

00:48:48.760 to his relationship to his father and mother he brings that um that birthright that heritage of

00:48:57.080 these gods into the new world and into the new cycle and I think that's a really important poetic

00:49:02.920 meaning of the survivors of Ragnarok are the encapsulations of that old order that are able

00:49:11.540 to survive whole through a cataclysm and make it into the to the beginning of the next cycle

00:49:17.420 and I think a lot of that goes into the uh you know the the secrets that uh that Odin whispers

00:49:24.660 into to Baldur's ear when he's on the pyre um that transfer to the land of the dead back into

00:49:31.680 the land of the living on the other side of ragnarok um next question also for witness fawn

00:49:42.800 please repeat the meal prayer from the law speaker folk were asking about it thanks that's very

00:49:50.240 popular a lot of people want to want to hear that and use that yeah and it's it has been um really

00:49:57.040 powerful in in my family and i think in many of the folks here at thor's hof and um it's it is

00:50:05.280 it's a great way to kind of introduce things uh especially speaking of ancestral and and godly

00:50:13.520 thankfulness piety towards the gods for the sacrifices that our ancestors made and and for

00:50:18.800 the toil of the work towards you know bringing that food on the table um i don't know if uh

00:50:24.560 uh if there's any like if nick's got anything from last well there we go man he is he's quick

00:50:37.200 he's got a lot it's got that that that quick strike that we've been talking about

00:50:42.720 an immediacy there again and and none of this uh all all credit is is upon uh witten turnage um

00:50:54.560 and you know i don't think that uh it should detract us from also saying um meaningful

00:51:02.560 prayers i think you know like when we uh even at thor's off we we do the the food uh prayer

00:51:10.000 together and then uh the presiding uh govi or give you will then say a few personal words that

00:51:18.480 they see fit um to contend with the time but it in a way it's become a way for us to unify together

00:51:25.680 in in harmony or in word in breath together as we stand you know before the meal or or if or

00:51:32.240 we sit before the meal um and take a remembrance of this moment and it it does really help i think

00:51:40.560 with family meals and and things of that that i think modern day has kind of whittled away it

00:51:47.120 brought us back into it i think for sure um and we tend to we we don't usually do it like

00:51:53.760 uh it's not always like uh every time like breakfast sometimes is haphazard with

00:51:58.880 kids doing homeschool and stuff like that but at night for dinner it's done and and then to hear

00:52:04.720 the kids do it on their own giving thanks for meals that they have is magical yeah and i'm

00:52:12.160 going to go ahead and recite it because um some folks are listening to this on spotify and don't

00:52:18.000 have the the visual aids that the rest of us have ah yes we bless this food to might and main our

00:52:25.440 bodies needs to fill to keep us hearty whole and hail so we may work our will ancestors guide us

00:52:34.240 walk beside us help us in our needs keep us on the path that is true because we are our needs

00:52:42.160 And I think it's beautiful and I'm glad that that more people are using it as as part of their traditional blessing of meals.

00:52:52.960 Law speaker comes up with good stuff sometimes.

00:52:56.020 Yes.

00:53:00.980 So the next question. All right. I'll hear your go.

00:53:04.240 Did you look at Ohio chemical disaster closely? Water, soil, air, all poisoned.

00:53:10.660 several chemical incidents uh since east palestine have been there hope a place for a new hof is

00:53:18.180 safe uh yeah actually um over the last week i have looked into that and that's awful um i am

00:53:32.980 trying to think of how to put this um stuff happens that there's very little we can do about

00:53:40.100 and everything's not always either everything is perfect or everything's doomed and we're all

00:53:48.480 going to die. I think it's very easy to take an overly optimistic or an overly pessimistic view

00:53:54.820 of some of these things, and I don't think they fit neatly in there. I think this situation is bad,

00:54:00.840 but I don't think that it's so bad that it's going to significantly alter what most folks

00:54:07.780 end up doing outside of the very very close area there and i certainly hope that it doesn't um

00:54:14.180 perhaps that's wishful thinking i think time will tell but the ohio valley and ohio itself is

00:54:22.900 is old we have a lot of good things there um this may affect where exactly the new hof goes we don't

00:54:31.620 have a site picked out for the for phrase off that'll be in ohio yet so unfortunately for us

00:54:38.660 we do have the luxury of picking and choosing that spot with the information that we know at the time

00:54:46.100 and uh you know now's as good a time as any to kind of update we're doing really well on that um

00:54:53.460 got a whole process on doing these hofs we have a plan for our first 12 and i believe we have

00:54:59.460 planned for our first 14 actually and the initial 12 gods that we have this plan for

00:55:05.940 we have a specific order that we're doing them in that's laid out in the gilfagening

00:55:10.340 and we've stuck to that we've been very successful with that so far and it's it's nice to plot that

00:55:15.700 out um in order to get phrasehoff and make that happen we need to uh first pay off njordshoff

00:55:26.820 and we're making really good progress on that like i said we're almost 42 paid off on that um

00:55:35.780 yeah a week from today i should you know have some different numbers uh adjusted for for what

00:55:41.060 we've been able to accomplish in this last month so once we pay that off uh we're going to

00:55:48.420 got to look at a couple other things to make sure our monthly income overall is a little

00:55:54.340 bit bigger than it is right now um i think that's got to go up i'll tell you here one second that's

00:56:00.740 got to increase by about 10 percent and uh you know i don't foresee that being a problem and then

00:56:07.060 we'll be in a spot to scout out exactly what we want to do now i like to dream on these things

00:56:14.900 and it's silly and counterproductive to my sleep because these are the things that keep me up at

00:56:20.340 night but i've been looking around at you know stuff that's for sale and stuff you know in ohio

00:56:26.260 that we could get a good deal on for you know that has the things that we need and looking at

00:56:30.660 our prospects and i know none of the things i find today are likely to be there when we

00:56:34.980 when we're ready for them but uh i think it's i know it's good for morale and i can't help it i'm

00:56:40.260 passionate about it so it's neat to look at those things but no i don't think that this situation

00:56:45.300 in ohio is going to affect our uh are getting a hof there or not at all at most it might um affect

00:56:51.860 exactly where in the state we get one but we'll see time will tell on that and uh you know i'm

00:56:57.300 very hopeful that lord fray will will help guide us to to the hof that that uh that he's going to

00:57:04.100 find most pleasing to him um next question what do you think of creatures like finrir and jormungandr

00:57:15.300 Are they gods or some other kind of spiritual creature?

00:57:19.200 What's they use, Juan?

00:57:21.620 I would say other kind of spiritual creature.

00:57:24.920 Again, when we talk about alignment to the gods,

00:57:29.600 whether it's even spoken of or alluded to in the stories,

00:57:33.840 I think it's worth noting.

00:57:36.840 And then again, too, when you see antithesis,

00:57:40.860 even mentioned passively or repetitively,

00:57:44.160 There's an antithesis between Thor and Jormungandr, even though Jormungandr is kind of seen as in a stasis form, you know, biting the tail.

00:57:57.280 Again, this repetitive antagonism then starts to build what exactly is for and against the gods.

00:58:07.740 And, you know, as I was a year ago, they said, you know, there's there's a level of transformation that's symbolically placed out in the stories that talks about their sense of primordialness.

00:58:22.660 And when we look at Fenris in context of the age, if we look at Jormungandr, if we look at even hell, and we see there's variant levels of, I think, the way our ancestors would have understood these descriptions, these mythological understanding of the gods and the way they're perceived in order to better identify with them.

00:58:52.380 Because a lot of times nowadays, folks will take divinity at face value. They'll make it almost comic book-y or literary in the sense that it's the wolf and the serpent and the beautiful maiden that's half dead in whichever way you – vertically, horizontally, front to back.

00:59:17.440 there's lots of different interpretations on that but again it's not about what is correct it's not

00:59:22.080 the face value per se as it is about the meaning behind it and and they take these primordial states

00:59:29.280 that are very very different from the shining upright noble speaking uh gods and they do this

00:59:37.360 in that these these signposts are kind of the way our ancestors saw things they whether they were

00:59:44.640 an immediate danger or an overgrowing danger uh fenris is mentioned as a pup and is brought into

00:59:50.400 heaven uh because again so very important to the structure of our cosmology is the upper middle and

00:59:57.920 lower and the reason why yggdrasil's roots go there's one in heaven where yggdrasil is and then

01:00:05.920 there is one in the middle and the one farthest away and you know it goes it goes down deeper in

01:00:11.520 these these points have purpose and it's same thing in this situation you know we we have

01:00:18.000 hella descends hell descends into the place beyond time proto-matter all of the things the spiritual

01:00:24.480 might a place where it can be contained and slowly processed and moved the middle world is deeply

01:00:31.280 connected to time and so we see yorungandr and it's interesting that he's the stasis uh in in

01:00:39.280 that middle part is very very structured and then fenris is brought to heaven he's brought

01:00:46.480 into either ball and into the halls of the gods as a pup and grows and grows and then eventually

01:00:53.040 he's contained and brought back down into the middle world so definitely i would list them as

01:01:00.800 other beings most certainly not the gods i think there has been a great move towards

01:01:08.320 towards people in our modern day to just really fill this kind of trope of the coolness of

01:01:16.560 something, or I don't even know what to describe it, but it's, you know, again, the chaos and

01:01:22.440 consumption and acceleration through idolizing these forces, but I don't think they're coming

01:01:30.920 from a point of reverence and, or certainly not in that case, but also just not even towards what

01:01:37.060 they're actually kind of emulating or trying to, I guess, encapsulate or symbolize in

01:01:42.080 themselves, but they end up kind of taking this, uh, uh, sense of like, that it's cool

01:01:51.100 to kind of be on the bad guy's side.

01:01:53.980 And again, I was here to go, they has said it numerous times tonight.

01:01:57.220 We've talked about it a lot is the gods are shining.

01:01:59.780 The gods are upright.

01:02:00.740 The hints that we get about Loki start early on with his transformations and his abilities to shift back and forth, and it serves clearly as a warning to the audience of the story being told that Loki is going to be a problem.

01:02:19.640 He's not right. He is wrong and only right when he attempts to placate so that he can continue his wrongness.

01:02:31.480 And that is important. And Fenris, again, too, unmitigated chaos that grows and can consume and crush the top to the bottom and everything in between.

01:02:42.260 And the gods suddenly realized this.

01:02:44.520 And I think so it's important that we don't consider them as gods or else.

01:02:52.920 Yeah.

01:02:54.420 Myth like metaphysical beings don't equal gods.

01:03:03.020 And I think that's that's important just in our how we put titles to things.

01:03:12.260 Godhood is a position of. Authority and relationship to us, that's very different, especially the term else, because we are we are I see or we are loyal to the I see or we are also true.

01:03:27.940 We are loyal to the I see or they are a very specific group of people.

01:03:34.080 And as you've seen, that can be fluid.

01:03:35.960 um other spiritual beings can become us can become i seer uh whereas you know and when i mentioned

01:03:47.280 this earlier when you see the icr mate with other icr or mate with giantesses they produce beauty

01:03:55.900 they produce things shaped like men in a form that we find pleasing in a form that we find

01:04:03.380 beautiful and upright when loki mates he makes he makes beasts and he makes freaks and he makes

01:04:11.380 monsters um in the best case scenario when he mothers uh slepner he's still making a beast

01:04:20.820 it's a really good beast but he's he's making it he's making a beast and when you see you know

01:04:27.860 fenrir and jormungandr they're not gods they're very clearly monstrous beasts ravenous forces of

01:04:36.580 of devouring and constriction in the case of of jormungandr um even hella is half of her is

01:04:48.500 beautiful but the other half is is decayed and necrotic and so you see that um

01:04:55.380 you see that malevolence displayed, like I was saying earlier, in the physical look of these

01:05:05.580 people. Our ancestors very much believed, and I think that there is a truth to this,

01:05:12.000 that nobility has a tendency to to begat beauty and begat things that are visually pleasing

01:05:26.420 and things that are of heroic you know look and feel and when you have things that are negative

01:05:32.220 or things that you know literally and we we can still see this linguistically ugly refers to

01:05:37.860 something that that looks hideous but ugly also refers to bad intentions and malevolence um you

01:05:45.620 know somebody's behaving in an ugly way or man that was an ugly thing to say um and you see that

01:05:53.060 these are these are clearly monstrous forces of of freakishness and not forces of beauty and

01:06:01.220 nobility and shining with bright things for us to look up to we have a question coming from our vk

01:06:09.460 audience for those of you that don't know this is being simulcast on vk and i'm really glad those

01:06:14.420 guys are participating is there any prejudice against russians in the afa absolutely not um

01:06:24.580 absolutely not honestly if this was like 1970 and the height of the cold war there might be

01:06:31.220 but at this day and age no i think there's a lot of people that are very envious of a lot of

01:06:39.860 a lot of where the russian people are at this point in in things um

01:06:47.060 no certainly culturally and uh and racially and everything else now i

01:06:51.700 russia is a vast country and there's certainly um orientals that are you know russian citizens

01:06:59.940 but when we talk about ethnic russians absolutely um yes if we really wish that we had uh rush

01:07:05.780 ethnically russian members uh matter of fact i was able to do uh and it hasn't come out yet but

01:07:11.140 i was able to do an interview with a group of russian ousa troop practitioners who were in

01:07:17.060 the moscow area a little while back and it was a really lovely conversation with the two of them i

01:07:21.540 hope we talk to them more but no i've always been since we got uh removed from facebook

01:07:29.940 we've looked for other ways i you know all of the problems and the the marxism on facebook

01:07:37.460 it does happen to be a very wide-reaching platform so we've looked for other places to go and one of

01:07:42.180 those places that we uh really beefed up our presence is on vk and one of our big hopes was

01:07:47.620 that we would get eastern european and russian membership out of it and make connection with

01:07:52.420 those folks because you guys are our brothers and sisters and we'd love to have you as part

01:07:56.500 of the astro folk assembly uh do you have any thoughts on that's fun uh not much i mean outside

01:08:03.540 yeah no and um you know the the uh i think we've had certainly concerns i know that when a lot of

01:08:14.820 people think of um certain things whether it's like uh you know we don't like a lot of the the

01:08:20.900 fighting that takes place between um you know folk but it's worth noting that you know the

01:08:27.940 reason why we pray to our gods is in hopes of success during war and oftentimes with each other

01:08:35.780 you know whether the lombards are fighting the gepids or whether the goths were fighting the

01:08:41.460 suebians or whatever we have you know there is conflict conflict happens i think the god

01:08:47.060 she kept hiding behind my chair so her mom couldn't get her it's her bath time

01:09:03.940 i see that that combat as a metric uh and i think our gods do see and have have seen the conflict

01:09:10.740 and turmoil between folk since we were brought, you know, life was breathed into us.

01:09:19.700 The on was breathed into us.

01:09:21.480 So, you know, the conflict itself can span on a lot of different emotional levels.

01:09:29.540 I know that there are a lot of folks, you know, whether it's the Ukrainians or the Russians,

01:09:36.580 But as far as faith goes and about, you know, the mission of bringing back the glory of the gods to the folk, I don't think.

01:09:45.640 Yeah, there's no there's no real barriers on that front.

01:09:53.000 All right. We just got a we just got a question with a donation from our loyal listener and donator, Lawrence Forbes, up in Canada with 10 Canadian dollars.

01:10:04.740 thank you very much for your donation as usual uh we as we look back hundreds uh thousands of years

01:10:13.700 for our lore i expect our folk hundreds and thousands of years from now will look back to

01:10:20.100 our time to determine lore also should the afa determine what is the official lore of our day

01:10:26.660 or leave it up or leave it up to them uh example will alan turnage's food blessing be considered

01:10:34.340 lore to them then absolutely i am really glad you asked that question and i'm glad of everything

01:10:43.060 that comes from i think this is a i usually let spawn go first but i wanted to jump on this one

01:10:49.940 because i'm passionate about it um i think this is a

01:10:58.660 something that we all fall victim to and i think especially when we're new for a couple of reasons

01:11:06.660 abrahamic faith is faith that's based very literally and very specifically on a set of

01:11:14.180 revealed teachings that in the most fundamentally literally way their god directed a hand to write

01:11:23.140 on a piece of paper these exact words so their bible or their quran in most schools of those

01:11:30.420 faiths is like literal quotation of their god our lore is very different our lore is a cultural

01:11:38.900 understanding that's come to our people through generations of different people at different

01:11:44.020 at times at different places, and it's fragmentary, and it's through experience, and it's through

01:11:50.780 revelation of certain, you know, wise individuals and communities, and it's tested through continual

01:11:58.040 cycle of gift giving in exchange with the gods, and it becomes more true if over time it's true,

01:12:04.480 or more true if it's true in different places, but there's a much bigger process, and it's

01:12:10.660 it's messier in a way but it's also much more beautiful because it's this tapestry of

01:12:16.420 of these different gifts that were given to our gothar over time

01:12:22.020 um we look back on ancient things and venerate them because they're old and i think that's

01:12:29.780 really cool i mean i love history as much as anybody else um i love those things i love

01:12:37.940 archaeology and anthropology and studies of history and i love every bit of that

01:12:46.420 but it's really important to consider how these things came about at no point in time

01:12:53.380 do we believe that you know the gods rode down on their steeds and surrounded you know

01:12:59.380 gothi einar and said yo einar this is exactly what i want you to write down

01:13:05.620 it's not how that worked at those at the time when any of our lore was was written down or

01:13:12.260 was conceived and spoken it was because the gothar of the time

01:13:21.060 who were respected and trusted and who had gravitas wrote these things down or told these

01:13:27.940 stories based on revelations that happened to them in the course of dreams in the course of visions

01:13:34.660 in the course of a life of gift giving between the iser and those gothar to to learn that wisdom and

01:13:42.500 to have that perception of how the divine world functions and this wasn't a one and done thing

01:13:48.500 this was over generations throughout the the span from from iran to to ireland and from

01:13:59.060 the viking age back into the stone age and over all that time we've developed this lord

01:14:05.300 it's evolved and it's taken shape and it's been refined to make sense it's not something that

01:14:12.740 i ever want us to do or to think flippantly of but i don't just think it's you know a privilege i

01:14:19.780 think it's our duty to keep evolving the faith of aussitrew forward i mentioned earlier how the

01:14:26.580 noble forces of the iser they're upward facing or they're forward facing and these forces of chaos

01:14:32.900 these you know the freakish metastasized yodnar are forces of of bringing everything down and

01:14:40.420 stopping prognet progress and stagnancy and when we do that we become ugly and hideous

01:14:48.180 we become beautiful and ennobled by moving forward in a pious and faithful way and we're

01:14:57.260 trying to build those relationships so that the things that we do develop now that our ancestors

01:15:01.420 will look back on and view as part of the overall corpus of our lore are the right things and things

01:15:08.080 that are done and said responsibly and we try very very hard to live up to that we would never

01:15:13.540 want to be disrespectful or blasphemous in any way. But absolutely, I think these things will

01:15:19.480 be discussed and looked back on, you know, if we're doing things right by our descendants

01:15:27.220 as part of our holy lore. And I certainly think Alan's beautiful food blessing will be part of

01:15:33.760 that. Thank you for asking that question. I think it's a very good question. Do you have any thoughts

01:15:38.360 and that's fine. No, I think, I think you covered it. I just, I think that that's one of the things

01:15:44.300 that differentiates us from others is that, like you just said, if we're doing things right,

01:15:50.980 our descendants will know and remember and continue on. I think a lot of people nowadays are

01:15:57.420 accused of being just now hollowed, or their intentions are not so severely sincere and

01:16:07.240 aggressively built towards the actual goal of reuniting the souls of the

01:16:14.380 people to the gods.

01:16:16.820 There are some people that may be just some sort of exercise of

01:16:21.060 entertainment.

01:16:23.060 I don't know, again, what that would be, but we are not that.

01:16:28.720 So that's the only thing I would,

01:16:31.480 I'm just overemphasizing something you just said.

01:16:34.060 No, there's a very big difference in being a reenactment and being a living faith.

01:16:43.540 And especially in Aryan spirituality with our emphasis on movement and on dynamicism.

01:16:54.640 It's very important that we grow and that we become more and that we become better and that we ascend.

01:17:01.300 um other folks that practice things that perhaps they think are similar it's a big difference

01:17:09.220 between larping and not larping if you're reenacting something someone else did or you're

01:17:15.940 pretending and i don't mean that as an as insulting of a way as it sounds but if you're

01:17:21.140 trying to put yourself in a different time or a different place or act as though you were a

01:17:32.040 different person, to me, that's not living up to the piety of a true religion to where you are

01:17:40.820 being you in the place and the time that you are in, practicing our faith in a relevant way that

01:17:48.660 interacts with our gods and our people and our life. That's the difference in this being

01:17:54.040 meaningful to the generations to come and not. If it's just a historical reenactment, that might

01:17:59.920 be fun. But what we've seen so much in the AFA is the more relevant this is to our daily lives,

01:18:06.080 the more we build an authentic relationship with our gods and the more they integrate themselves

01:18:13.560 into the flow of our life because we see them as here and now in our life as opposed to

01:18:20.200 existing in a Viking time capsule. Yeah, that avoidance of escapism that I think a lot of

01:18:27.820 people fall in and we look forward and currently and now and into the future.

01:18:32.480 And it's very easy to do. Like I said, we're all history fans. We all look back at time periods

01:18:39.580 like man i wish i lived back then if i lived back then and we all have a you know a a rose-colored

01:18:47.580 view of what that time would look like you know if we lived in medieval times we'd all be nobility

01:18:52.220 and none of us would be serfs none of us would be you know cold and hungry we'd all be be feasting

01:18:58.220 and jousting so i think that we all fall victim to that i think it's just something we need to

01:19:03.260 be mentally um vigilant against falling into all right next question do you believe that the yotnar

01:19:11.260 slash thurser slash mooseville uh senior are the evil side to be eradicated from norse mythology

01:19:22.060 or do you prefer the idea that chaos is primal and there is no order without chaos what are

01:19:28.380 your thoughts on this one uh eradication uh again the when we're talking about the entire essence

01:19:38.060 and the movement of our stories i i think eradication is um like a title or a concept

01:19:46.860 that's not actually even in in place in the entirety of the stories the the the conflict

01:19:54.380 between order and chaos is set to meet in a head to head and the the immediacy or the i guess the

01:20:04.380 purpose that we could see from from humanity's standpoint is that do you aid the side that

01:20:10.380 brings order or do you aid the side that brings chaos and so you could say maybe the the desire

01:20:18.460 to eradicate comes from maybe uh you know the vigilance and this and the the self-imposing

01:20:25.020 of desire to aid order um and i could see that happening and formulating but as far as specifically

01:20:32.700 if we're talking about the uh you know the the the must the the son the children of muspel the sons

01:20:38.700 of muspel um they uh they were in place before yggdrasil they were in place before the great wood

01:20:48.700 you know structured the worlds um the erratic you see what i mean like that that's we know this we

01:20:55.420 know this they they have been the instigating part of the creation of the cycle and they're

01:21:01.260 the end part until they are slated and then it starts again so would the eradication uh i would

01:21:09.020 i would do one better and say there seems to be a great order in that sense and to eradicate those

01:21:16.620 elements of chaos would then disrupt the cyclic order that is uh already set and been contained

01:21:25.900 and is is is going to happen and move forward and back if we remove remove that piece then

01:21:32.860 it does truly fall into chaos so interesting i i know that's the the debate you know does order

01:21:43.660 come out of chaos is chaos truly guided by its place within a greater order um that's an interesting

01:21:52.700 topic to kind of go back and forth on but i would say that the eradication of those elements of

01:21:57.500 chaos would then destabilize the cyclic order that is established all right so i'm gonna take a

01:22:07.020 little different take on this um i think that your fundamentally your question is good guys and bad

01:22:12.780 guys absolutely i see the good guys of the team is the bad guys i've said this before well we're

01:22:23.900 scared of saying good and evil um because we've intellectualized it to say that rather than good

01:22:30.220 and evil in our cosmology it's order versus chaos and i think that's true but i think it

01:22:36.060 it sugarcoats a point um we're also true also true does not mean as many have mistranslated it

01:22:47.760 belief in the icer doesn't mean belief it means trough to it means loyalty to the icer

01:22:55.740 we stand loyal with the icer which means we are on their side against their enemies

01:23:01.420 The forces of chaos, the Jotunar, Loki, and his spawn outside of Slepner are on the other team.

01:23:12.400 We will seek to eradicate and defeat and destroy and crush the other team as best we possibly can.

01:23:19.420 Now, because of everything Svanse, I don't think the world works like that.

01:23:23.580 The balance of those things in the interplay is what gives everything context, which is the rest of your question.

01:23:30.780 But that's external and beside the point.

01:23:36.020 We fight against things we may never completely win on, but there's value in the struggle and there's ground to be gained in the struggle.

01:23:43.760 Every inch we take from chaos and bring under order is an inch that's better.

01:23:48.680 Yes, if we eliminated all chaos from existence and there was only order, it'd be a very strange situation.

01:23:56.620 I don't know how that would play out, but that's for the gods to figure out.

01:23:59.540 It's my job to be loyal and stand with them and fight on their side.

01:24:02.840 And I'm not going to try to win less in order to preserve some balance.

01:24:08.320 One of the other thing that I think is really important, there is no heroism and no honor

01:24:18.640 and neutrality.

01:24:20.800 Choosing not to take a side is worse than being on the wrong side.

01:24:24.640 there's a lot of people that are misguided that are on the wrong team that I can respect them

01:24:30.100 because they stand for something they have a code it may not be my code but they have a code

01:24:34.640 if you just kind of wait and I'm everybody's friend I like to work with everybody

01:24:40.520 there's no glory in that you avoid some of the big pitfalls but you also avoid all of the honor

01:24:47.820 all of the glory all of the things that make heroes there's heroism and picking a side

01:24:56.060 and being stalwart and loyal and on fire for that side that's where you find heroism that's where

01:25:03.020 you find glory um the point is true that without you know without an antagonist there is no hero

01:25:12.380 that doesn't mean we celebrate the antagonist we make the best of the situation that's presented

01:25:19.180 to us we seek to eliminate all antagonists and uh you know i i don't think that's the way the

01:25:28.740 world works i think there will always be something to to be an antagonist force but you look at every

01:25:34.540 hero they fight against the bad guy it doesn't mean the villain should be celebrated too because

01:25:41.720 he's necessary for the story. That's such a removed and aloof way of looking at life. Life

01:25:49.400 is meant to be lived in the moment in the arena for honor and for glory to ascend and become a

01:25:56.060 hero. You don't do that by, you know, pondering the moral relativism of the need for, well,

01:26:03.480 evil's got to exist. You know, it's those questions, when we ask those questions and

01:26:10.040 shrug our shoulders and throw up our hands, we abdicate that breath of life that the All-Father

01:26:17.240 gave us. We abdicate our birthright as noble people to take a stand and to stand on principle.

01:26:24.560 And that's one of the most, we live in an age where the real heroes are people with disabilities

01:26:31.280 or the real heroes are people who are mentally ill or the real heroes are, you know, victims of

01:26:37.800 things. No, the real heroes are people imbued with the frailty of mankind that still choose to stand

01:26:45.900 up proud and tall for what they believe in. Consequences be damned. And they face those

01:26:52.240 consequences. They either fall gloriously or they transcend and they overcome. But heroism is what

01:26:59.200 we celebrate in Ausitru. We do that by standing with the forces of order, with the Aesir.

01:27:04.620 You know, if if somebody breaks in your house with the intent of murdering your family and you you defend yourself and you slay the intruder, we don't give thanks to the intruder for giving you an opportunity to be a hero.

01:27:18.660 No, we damn the intruder and we celebrate you for your heroism.

01:27:22.700 The fact that the one had to exist for the other to happen is a circumstance of nature, but it's not something to be celebrated.

01:27:29.000 yeah i think when speaking of that

01:27:34.680 circumstance of nature is kind of where i was focusing on the overall but yeah good and evil

01:27:41.760 if we're talking about that what is good good is my family good is my kin good is my people

01:27:48.820 good is my gods anything against that it is incumbent to desire to eradicate to to fight

01:27:58.420 against that which is the antithesis of what is good um but yes i was speaking more of the i think

01:28:05.460 the cyclical parts of the myth mythos the stories so but yes i'm glad you reeled it back in

01:28:16.100 no because there's two questions the the the postulation that you know in a completely

01:28:22.340 objective way you need forces to counterbalance and you need chaos to counterbalance the order

01:28:28.020 and provide the context those things are true they're just not relevant to the struggle

01:28:34.500 in any of the wars of of our present or of our ancestors you need the enemy because if you don't

01:28:40.180 have the enemy how can you you know display your martial prowess you can't but it doesn't mean you

01:28:45.460 celebrate that you know it with without the villain there could be no hero but it doesn't

01:28:50.180 mean the villain gets celebrated far from it um we we climb mountains that we'll never be able to

01:28:58.180 see the top of because to do so is the right thing to do not because we could possibly eradicate

01:29:04.020 what's before us but by standing in opposition to it there's glory in that um king of cheese

01:29:12.500 howdy matt and swan how are we doing tonight i'm doing glorious i'm always doing glorious on these

01:29:17.300 you know this tony i love these i look forward to them every week i've actually had a really good

01:29:21.620 day the afa had a new high number today current member number is sitting at 993 we are really

01:29:27.620 close to that four digit number i'm excited about it we also had a really awesome call

01:29:32.500 um last night planning so okay as an aside to take a break from the deep lore and the good

01:29:38.980 and evil talk for a second um i couldn't figure out what this guy's called and i found this guy

01:29:46.500 and he says that he doesn't know what this guy's called either so when we were first starting the

01:29:51.780 sigerheim project i was trying to find a guy that does um like neighborhood community planning like

01:30:00.260 the layout of where buildings on a certain piece of land would go and how to do flow of traffic and

01:30:06.340 you know roads and spaces that separate and just things that way to lay out like a neighborhood

01:30:11.460 laid out those things and i couldn't find what that guy is but as would happen as uh you know

01:30:20.580 valley the the fortunate marksman i feel us trying to do the sigerheim great endeavor at this time

01:30:27.780 has put us in a spot where good things come to us and we have had a former member who reached

01:30:32.100 back out to us was on fire about the sigerheim idea and he is that guy and does that so we had

01:30:37.540 had a really great talk with him last night laying out where we want to have lots and buildings and

01:30:43.380 roadways and things on Sigurheim. And it was just a really cool conversation, really inspirational

01:30:48.480 and one more step on, you know, making that, making that project succeed. So I'm a happy guy.

01:30:55.380 How's Sivan doing? I'm doing well. Again, pretty excited. I was on that call as well.

01:31:01.760 to see the talents he brings to manifest that.

01:31:07.740 I think it was also something truly important that you did say, too.

01:31:11.700 In the midst of a lot of the excitement, there's still the focus on our goals.

01:31:16.980 There's still the focus on our progressions.

01:31:19.200 There's still, you know, looking towards the Hoffs,

01:31:24.000 looking towards Frazehoff, looking towards Tiershoff and all of that.

01:31:27.820 At the same time, being able to kind of really put some foundational stuff was amazing and to get to talk about because there's a lot of people as this is happening, strangely enough, weirdly enough, there's a lot of people involved that have very distinct talents that all seem to make the rope, the different strands that make the rope big and strong.

01:31:53.960 and i so that was that was very exciting outside of that everything's good uh bounty is good god's

01:32:00.520 blessed me kids are healthy my wife and i are in just we're in such a wonderful state in our life

01:32:09.400 where we're um our children are growing up we're we're looking at the future we're looking about

01:32:14.040 where we can live in the future it's it's it's brought a lot of emotion and hope and again

01:32:19.720 forward thinking and um so it's it's kind of like being on on a wave that you didn't realize you

01:32:25.960 needed to be on because you might be in a rut or or things like that and it kind of today was the

01:32:32.280 day of like wow you know i was upset about some of the details i was trying to work out on things

01:32:38.120 and i was like that's i'm i'm being upset about things but the overall wave that i'm on is is

01:32:47.240 amazing and i was grateful for it so it kind of toned me down on some of the stuff i was stressing

01:32:51.880 about but amazing i also have a question about um loki's kids so would they not be demigods

01:33:02.840 because of the power they wield so and i mentioned this and may and judging by the next question

01:33:13.480 maybe we didn't mention it enough it's not quite that clean and we're dealing here with a um

01:33:21.560 an argument over semantics certainly they are metaphysically immense in power

01:33:34.120 cert one of the you know arch forces of chaos is tremendously powerful and i don't dispute

01:33:43.000 his power but the position of godhood is a is i guess i guess that becomes the misnomer and that's

01:33:54.520 why it's it's a better and cleaner thing for us to refer to isir or you know as fawn says the ouse

01:34:02.120 because the title of ouse implies an alignment that i guess the term god in and of itself

01:34:11.640 doesn't because god is used differently culturally in different spots demigods and you know they are

01:34:18.680 less powerful than the gods certainly they are more powerful than more mortals certainly so i

01:34:26.280 don't think it's linguistically wrong i just think it's not the way we would put it in terms of

01:34:32.520 alignment um you got thoughts fun yeah i uh the usage of the word demigod or uh you know the

01:34:40.600 the ancient greeks used the word daemon um and you know that i think that that word too is kind of

01:34:47.640 funny when you talk to folks they they hear the word like um demon and they wonder where that

01:34:52.520 comes from that's not in the original christianity was taken from the the greeks uh to represent like

01:34:59.320 lesser beings um and the the biggest thing i would say is when we when we look at the stories and we

01:35:08.040 we consider the alignment to the gods we see certain things for instance one point of worth

01:35:12.940 noting is that fenris is a point of power that he wields certainly uh that the gods need to contain

01:35:22.140 immediately and they do but it's an immediacy in heaven stasis and confinement in the middle and

01:35:29.220 then almost uh backwards timed or or non non-functioned in time in the lower so that that

01:35:37.260 kind of understanding of placement and and the idea of time and relevancy and uh essence when we

01:35:44.820 see hell as referred to you know she takes balder out of time she takes him into that

01:35:51.500 stasis point uh but treats him well um the the idea again when you look at like the the differences

01:36:01.780 between Fenris and Hela as far as their placement of immediacy, their essence of alignment.

01:36:08.220 The consumption of Fenris is absolute and immediate. He wants it. He wants to consume it.

01:36:14.040 Whereas Hela then is not. She's a place of containment and holding. Now she is, of course,

01:36:22.620 to the source of the calamity, the end of things. So she's often symbolized as being the source of

01:36:29.080 that which is the end of things poison death illness uh of those things like it's referred

01:36:34.640 to a straw death and and things like that but those are the that that natural cycle that she's

01:36:39.740 connected to um but to call them demigods when we get into i would even wonder about this like

01:36:47.580 with with hellenics and the way the words like are utilized in those those sense um but for us

01:36:55.160 it's about alignment to the gods

01:36:57.740 it's about the way the gods

01:36:59.820 interact with

01:37:00.980 you see this again with Aeir and Raun

01:37:04.140 or

01:37:05.020 it's spelled

01:37:08.040 strangely but it's

01:37:09.920 A-E-G-I-R

01:37:10.980 Aeir and Raun are

01:37:12.880 Jotans of the primordial ocean

01:37:15.600 and they create this alignment with the middle world

01:37:17.940 and I think that's

01:37:19.120 worth noting

01:37:20.200 do we necessarily pray to Aeir and Raun

01:37:23.520 I mean, there's evidence that we have speculated on and things that our ancestors might have done, but there is certainly a sense of unilateral alliance or perhaps a tentative peace between those forces.

01:37:40.380 And so we would not consider them ouse, but are aligned with.

01:37:47.020 But then when we see betrothal, actual unification, that's an oathing or a physical union.

01:37:55.740 That I think is understood by our ancestors that when there was a betrothal in, this was a unification.

01:38:02.500 They were joining in with the alignment of the tribe or the people.

01:38:07.660 And so even though they may have been from another tribe, they aligned with the tribe.

01:38:14.840 And then these things, you know, created forward movement.

01:38:21.060 But to call them demigods.

01:38:26.440 And then again, specifically of the power they wield, the Jotuns wield power.

01:38:31.600 We know this.

01:38:33.440 They have great powers as well.

01:38:36.400 and the gods have great powers

01:38:39.040 and that interplay between them

01:38:41.000 creates things and we side

01:38:43.240 with the Aesir

01:38:45.200 so

01:38:46.060 we can see

01:38:49.440 it's clearly an antithesis there

01:38:51.160 between

01:38:53.220 Fenris and Jormungandr

01:38:54.880 Hel is different

01:38:56.800 in that there is a sense of

01:38:59.120 timelessness, it is mentioned that

01:39:00.980 her realm exists even

01:39:03.120 after Ragnarok and

01:39:05.060 And, you know, there's a, again, it's almost very similar to like Ayur and Rao.

01:39:12.060 So demigods, I think, is not the correct term at all for them.

01:39:18.560 All right.

01:39:19.540 So next question, what do you think about the fact that some giants are mentioned as very beautiful beings?

01:39:27.860 For example, the giantess Mengelot.

01:39:31.120 so this is kind of what i meant earlier about the awkwardness of language we talked earlier about

01:39:39.320 how there's different varieties of giants especially giantesses that end up being

01:39:44.680 giving over their power oftentimes to the forces of order to the forces of the astral

01:39:56.480 and becoming something more. The nobly aligned or the forward-facing Jotnar often become more

01:40:02.440 or engage in relationships with the Aesir that elevate them and move them forward,

01:40:10.000 as opposed to that stagnant, ugly state that I mentioned earlier. But I think Svan might have

01:40:16.160 some more to offer on this one. No, that's exactly the same realm. Again, it's mentioned

01:40:22.660 with with gerd as well shining arms and that she is such a striking beauty that frey is stricken to

01:40:30.340 darkness and to isolation um yeah i don't think that uh the idea of um ugliness and beauty was

01:40:40.500 seen as more of a like an alliance or movement in action if you're moving towards or with or

01:40:47.300 congruence to there is beauty but if you're moving against or away or even kind of like

01:40:55.380 crossing over the flow lines of things you end up becoming twisted or untrusted or shrouded or

01:41:04.660 there's a lot of of those key words so yes it would be best to look at these these nomenclatures

01:41:11.540 of beauty and and other things there is other times too though where it can be kind of seen as a

01:41:18.020 sense of uh a warning of beauty and a warning of the seduction of of something to to see something

01:41:27.060 that's greatly powerful and dangerous but yet still see a beauty in it there is that as well

01:41:32.260 but i think that we're talking about forces and that that language is utilized about movements

01:41:37.780 with and forward and aligned to versus crossing, breaking, and turning away from,

01:41:45.200 or deeply reflecting that within those descriptions?

01:41:50.540 Yeah. All right, this is a question. For someone starting out, if I make an offering inside,

01:41:58.720 should I pour it down the drain? I'm glad that you asked this, because I think that sometimes

01:42:04.740 people don't ask these really practical questions, but that's something I think all of us have

01:42:10.320 stopped and considered when we first started and we did any kind of altar work in our house.

01:42:16.020 You know, it really depends.

01:42:20.340 If I make an offering inside of food, it's a little bit different. If it's a beverage,

01:42:31.900 sometimes i'll let it sit there that said i think i got my cats drunk before doing that unintentionally

01:42:38.940 um so i don't know it depends if you have pets or what's going to happen to it because i think that

01:42:45.900 you know there's not some point where the gods descend and physically consume the food and the

01:42:52.220 drink that's on your altar i think that you know maybe they do for you and in that case you're you're

01:42:56.940 very very special indeed but that hasn't been my experience what i think that i saw over in

01:43:02.940 the side that most of us do when we have an offering inside and then we're looking to get rid

01:43:07.740 of it um many of us have a special place in our yard that we do that very often it's around a

01:43:16.220 special tree um and then you know as nature would have it those things just magically disappear

01:43:23.420 And I'm sure that's because of of predators or birds or scavengers or, you know, local dogs or whatever that way.

01:43:31.820 But the essence of what you're doing, and I've said this a thousand times, the gods don't need, you know, a quarter cup of mead or a chunk of bread or something for dinner.

01:43:42.180 It's the thought and the energy that you're putting into it.

01:43:44.860 and uh i very i very much believe that's received and i don't think you know as long as your

01:43:50.060 attitude's right i don't think pouring it down the drain is a terrible thing i just think it's

01:43:54.300 a little bit more special to uh pour it on something special outside on a tree sometimes

01:44:00.300 people have a hoard or an altar they've made of rock outside that they they put their offerings on

01:44:05.980 so having a special place in your yard or if you live in an apartment i don't know your situation

01:44:12.300 but something you know on the property like i'd say the best option is an ice tree

01:44:16.940 and place it at the base of that that's what most of us end up doing i don't think that's

01:44:21.420 some hard and fast rule i think that's just what most of us have been inclined to do and it's kind

01:44:26.060 of kind of caught on as the culture of what we do uh next question this is a good question i want

01:44:33.420 your take on this fawn why is uh slepner considered different from loki's other children

01:44:41.580 um well um okay i didn't see that it didn't pop up on that one but that's okay um yeah when we see

01:44:51.120 this uh situation first and foremost is kind of the consideration of

01:44:58.140 the players involved if you will you know when we talk about anger boda and you know the the

01:45:07.160 siring of um fenris that assaults the heavens and jormungandr that constrains the middle and

01:45:13.880 hella that resides in the timeless under um we see some some interesting points of the stratification

01:45:23.000 slepner is movement deep quick fast movement this is the symbol the symbology of the legs

01:45:29.240 is movement so what ends up kind of emphasizing in slepner's case is that there's like this

01:45:35.320 is assistance to dynamicism. And it, I think, has more to do with the players involved as far as

01:45:47.160 the Jotun's horse and Loki and the production thereof. And in reality,

01:45:54.420 it's less about even the escalation of dynamicism on Odin's part, but I think it's also more

01:46:01.960 poignant of the beginning signs of what loki is to it's kind of like a a prelude an indication

01:46:11.560 of that which is and it sets a motif throughout the stories some actions and things that are done

01:46:18.760 bring about beneficial things and others bring about non-beneficial things so i i've always taken

01:46:26.920 that the Sleipnir is an addition to the dynamicism of Odin, but more so important, the prelude of

01:46:36.960 what is to come. And I think that as the stories were told, our ancestors would see this as a sign

01:46:44.020 of, oh, something's not right. Because this kind of way that the problem is resolved is done in a

01:46:50.520 very outside of the good way of things being done, but something good comes of it. So let's

01:47:00.140 keep going. And then something bad happens and then something good comes of it. So let's keep

01:47:05.640 going. And I think that overall arching story is the buildup of the warning that's to come.

01:47:14.560 and i think the overall moral if you will so uh as far as slepner being uh you know the the horse

01:47:23.680 the horse is the vehicle of of um movement order symbolically we see that always connected to the

01:47:31.920 sky always connected with with the cosmic again this takes place in heaven this this you know a

01:47:39.920 lot of people think that like ausgard is the entirety of heaven but yet it's referenced clearly

01:47:44.880 that the gods live in either vault and this takes place in heaven in the outer bounds

01:47:49.680 or not outer bounds but the outer bounds of ausgard where the well is where yggdrasil is

01:47:54.400 where that place is outside of ausgard so in heaven the production of that extra dynamicism

01:48:02.320 doesn't strike me as odd that it takes the shape or the symbolism of a horse

01:48:06.880 because it happened in heaven but uh you know when when loki goes down and into the east and

01:48:12.880 into the primordial and into the middle world and there he sires with angra boda that that which is

01:48:19.440 made stratifies through all the all the the worlds and that's interesting i think that's

01:48:24.400 the way we should uh engage the stories is understanding how mythological language works to

01:48:32.240 to paint meanings that are deeper by movement we see a lot of the movement involved there so

01:48:41.200 i would say slepner is a horse because the production and the players involved and the

01:48:46.720 overall motif took place in heaven well i think something else that's very relevant too um it's

01:48:56.000 odin steed odin has the the ability unlike any other of our you know to a degree unlike any of

01:49:08.800 the rest of our gods to master chaos to master those primal forces and transmute them for his

01:49:17.680 will he literally did that with the existence of our folk he dismembered chaos in order to reshape

01:49:26.400 and shape order for him to have the mastery of a steed and certainly the relationship between

01:49:33.680 breaking a horse and riding and being the master of that horse is something that our ancestors

01:49:39.760 would have understood odin also has two pet wolves that's remarkable you don't keep pet wolves wolves

01:49:48.560 are savage and wild and you know freki and gary are like uh devourer and and ravenous and you

01:49:56.800 don't that's not that's not what you keep as pets it's what odin keeps his pets because he can

01:50:04.000 master those savage forces of chaos and bring them under his dominion bring him under bring

01:50:09.280 them under his will and that speaks to the the might of odin's will as much as as much as any

01:50:17.520 other element in that story i think you know you see slepner but he's not made like a horse he's a

01:50:23.840 horse but he's got a freakish number of legs you can use that for benefit certainly that is

01:50:29.120 beneficial and i think there's symbolism in the number of those legs but the idea that that odin

01:50:36.720 is powerful enough of will he is the master of the woad the master of the inspiration that he can

01:50:42.400 take these forces under his power and bring them under his dominion i think that's a big part of

01:50:48.160 that as well um king of cheese speaking of sigurheim how many acres does it contain just about 70 just

01:50:58.800 shy of 70. is it appropriate to compost a food offering using it to nourish the earth and garden

01:51:10.160 seems like it would be appreciated by the gods

01:51:15.600 you could make it appropriate that's one of the things is so much of it's about intention

01:51:20.800 i don't know how your composting works if it's just another garbage can with different garbage

01:51:29.460 stuff in it then probably not i'd still leave that out if you are distributing it into your

01:51:36.200 garden and you want to break up your food offering and distribute it in the garden as well i think

01:51:40.680 that's a reasonable thing to do but if your compost is just a different kind of garbage just

01:51:46.180 like your recycling cans and your garbage than your compost pile, I think that would be, you

01:51:52.320 know, less optimal or something I wouldn't do. But so much of it is with your intention. And I don't

01:51:57.600 think, you know, as long as your heart's right when you're doing it, I don't think that, you know,

01:52:02.200 our gods are grossly offended one way or another, as long as you're not being disrespectful.

01:52:09.180 Transference, too, of the object after death. Something to consider is like you had said you

01:52:15.100 had left liquid out, and then the cat might have gotten into it. But the point is, once the moment

01:52:22.740 of the gifting is given, that item, whether it's a, we see this with blades and stuff from

01:52:30.260 elder times, and then placed in the bogs, and we know there are other things that were placed in

01:52:36.120 bogs as well, and those two, you know, why would you do, why would you put a gift in the same

01:52:40.520 place that you would put a bane or uh something foul uh the idea is that especially like once you

01:52:47.400 um lay the the mead or break the the um blade or if the flowers are given and fruits are given

01:52:56.280 and they are they are gone and begin to kind of sink and die then the gift is given and now it

01:53:03.720 can move to you know a place of just being part of that cycle again so some people do uh view

01:53:11.240 their offerings as given in the moment and taken in the moment and then after that is disposed of

01:53:17.400 in in whatever way they you know they see fit but culturally we you know give with lay those those

01:53:25.160 things to waste in a a sense of reverence most often in every cultural kind of aspect within the

01:53:31.960 the Austro Folk Assembly, you'll see, yeah, the pouring out in a sacred place or the laying of

01:53:37.320 that stuff in a hole or burned or laid to water. But again, it's kind of seen as it's given and

01:53:44.960 taken at that moment. All right. Next question is Skavi is a

01:54:01.320 Jotun, right? Yes. Yes, she is. And we see her her elevation

01:54:09.080 When she comes into contact with the Aesir, when she interacts with them, she interacts with them in a noble way, seeking vengeance, retribution for the death of her father.

01:54:21.920 And she's treated well, and her interaction moves her in that category shift we talked about earlier.

01:54:32.660 What are your thoughts on that, Svan? Can you add something to clarify?

01:54:36.200 yes again the alignment um when uh yes she is a joten joteness or um she is

01:54:49.080 seen as a force that comes out and then within and then later on after her alignment is her

01:54:55.480 realm is even mentioned threemheim as a poignant realm for the gods so again i think that again

01:55:02.840 and hammers that alignment together but the betrothal and that story which may have a lot

01:55:09.060 of different meanings depending on some talk about cycles of water some talk about the creation of

01:55:14.520 rivers by by uh like icebergs or or um excuse me glaciers um and things like that there there are

01:55:22.600 physical things that could be kind of correlated to the story but it is then seen as she's in

01:55:28.640 alignment so the question i think a lot of people are hounding about on these questions is like do

01:55:33.720 we pray to her uh again there's when we talked about like even ayur and raun there was references

01:55:41.060 to um uh sacrifices given to gift towards ayur for safe passage and this was not necessarily

01:55:50.540 done out of devotion and reverence, but almost as if a sense of bargaining. And I think that is

01:55:59.700 another interesting relationship that we have with our gods versus these elements that may be

01:56:06.580 in alignment with the gods, but are not entirely gods themselves. But betrothal or the bearing of

01:56:12.180 children, I think is a good definitive point, a point in which those powers begin to cross.

01:56:17.700 and i don't think snorty really does that because poetically it's it's you know it's it's not

01:56:28.160 pointed to say uh but it is seen in as it's referenced you know again why would they name

01:56:36.360 one of the great realms as thrymheim to be in alignment unless of course she is now aligned

01:56:41.300 with the gods so uh yes but again is is mimira jotun clearly is he the uncle of odin clearly

01:56:54.340 so it's not so clear cut and the idea is again it's about the alignment in which and so i think

01:56:59.860 a lot of referencing that story does to the vanir and to the jotuns is about the sourcing of where

01:57:05.140 they come from but it alludes to the alignment there forth after that meeting after that event

01:57:14.260 or those interactions then they proceed forward all right next one here and i understand uh

01:57:22.500 i'm glad this one was asked so good evening gentlemen i was curious if you could expand upon

01:57:29.300 the warrior principle of our statement of ethics i've had family members have concern for it

01:57:35.700 alluding to nefarious activities so um for those that are unfamiliar the warrior principle is as

01:57:44.820 follows we believe that our members should strive to be ready for the for the challenge to defend

01:57:51.940 our folk gods and goddesses with both cunning and physical skill when needed we should be prepared

01:57:58.260 to stand against those forces which would seek to destroy our gods and folk and it's

01:58:07.380 i've answered this question before um on uh expedition truth with uh reverend jack

01:58:15.620 ashcraft and he's at and somebody asked that question and he it didn't seem odd to him at all

01:58:22.180 because he's he's an older man and a few generations ago this wouldn't have been a

01:58:27.380 strange question at all we live in a in a society to where so much autonomy has been taken out of

01:58:39.380 the hands of the citizen and put in the hands of the state that we become very uncomfortable

01:58:44.820 talking about any matter of self-defense no matter what that be and you know even right

01:58:50.740 now talking about it i'm aware that people who listen to this or or youtube will take some

01:58:55.700 confusion and it's not that at all if you read that talks about with cunning and with strength

01:59:01.140 to stand up for our folk and our gods there's a lot of ways to do that very and and it escalates

01:59:09.060 it says in our strength if necessary um our principles and the principles we have to believe

01:59:16.020 in exist outside of laws and are tempered by laws but in a state of no laws then of course we should

01:59:24.260 be ready to to fight to protect ourselves and our gods we live in a social contract where there are

01:59:30.820 other agencies that do that and where we border on criminality if we were to do that in a certain

01:59:36.100 in a certain way so the afa has always been clear that we obey the laws of of the countries we

01:59:42.900 reside in and that we act appropriately that way but it it takes out the the idea with cunning

01:59:48.180 there defending ourselves with cunning has everything to do with strategy it has everything

01:59:53.460 to do with legalities with um standing up for ourselves in court standing up for ourselves

02:00:02.020 in the media standing up for ourselves in the public square with um standing strong for what

02:00:09.700 we believe in and so often especially white people and especially white males are vilified for

02:00:21.060 standing up for themselves even in the most simple way but this would be you know anathema to our

02:00:27.060 ancestors it's worth putting in that statement of principles that you know stand up and be counted

02:00:34.100 stand up and fight for your rights we talk about people fighting for their rights we're not talking

02:00:38.420 about gun battles first and foremost we're talking about letting your voice be heard secondly we're

02:00:44.820 talking about pursuing the legal rights that you were that the law literally exists to protect for

02:00:50.660 us and there's many ways to do that one of the most fundamental ways is to stand up and be counted

02:00:58.420 instead of being scared to say who you are and to speak truth to power and speak truth to those

02:01:04.180 around you in the media and the public square um our people duck their heads and you know

02:01:11.220 hope not to make a noise be proud stand proud speak about who you are certainly um there's a

02:01:20.100 you know when it comes to physical violence you know many of us are involved in in various degrees

02:01:26.660 of self-defense that are enshrined in our constitution that are a fundamental part of

02:01:31.140 all of our jurisprudence is that a man has a right to defend himself and his family and we

02:01:38.020 have a right to defend our people and um again the politics around stuff change but given you know

02:01:47.700 any number of conflicts the idea to take up arms defending our faith and our gods could very well

02:01:55.540 be completely congruent with the mission of the armed forces of the country that we live

02:02:00.740 in depending upon what that threat is. To stand ready to fight for what we believe in is a

02:02:05.640 noble value, and it used to be something that was embraced by most churches was for you to be

02:02:12.160 proficient in self-defense, proficient in defense of yourself, your country, and things that share

02:02:17.460 common values with you. I think the only reason that this statement sounds quote-unquote nefarious

02:02:23.620 to certain people is that we don't share the same values with the world around us in this

02:02:30.700 day and age. The melting pot is far too diverse at this point for us to consider the idea of

02:02:37.520 standing for our folk to be synonymous with standing in defense of our country or our state.

02:02:46.220 I think at any previous time in our history before the last 50, 60 years, the idea of fighting for your folk very much meant the idea of taking up arms in your country's military against nations such as China or anything else.

02:03:03.100 it sounds odd to us today but I think that if you made that comment to fight for your folk and this

02:03:09.200 was 1930 I don't think any of us you know as Americans would have found that an odd thing to

02:03:15.580 say or an odd thing to think I think the day in age that we live in where we're so scared of

02:03:21.600 conflict becomes the the issue but if you read that statement it talks about being wise it talks

02:03:28.940 about using cunning and if necessary, standing up for yourself physically. There's any number

02:03:34.900 of situations where people wish to do us violence because we believe differently or who we are,

02:03:40.960 who our race is. I think any of us, if we look at our Twitter feeds or anything else,

02:03:46.100 we see horrendous acts of violence that are committed against people that look like us

02:03:51.820 for us being members of the folk. And we have had numerous threats from elements of the left to do

02:03:59.860 physical violence to us because of our faith. Standing ready to protect ourselves in those

02:04:05.820 situations isn't nefarious, nor it's illegal. It's completely legal and appropriate. It's all

02:04:11.460 about context. The AFA and none of our principles advise anyone to do anything illegal. We never

02:04:17.920 have we never will that's not what we're doing we've never had a problem with that we've never

02:04:23.040 had a negative interaction with law enforcement our warrior principle is about vigilance so that

02:04:28.960 we stand ready to protect ourselves if the need arises and that could be in any number of different

02:04:34.080 contexts do you have anything to add on that's fine no i think you systematically you know broke

02:04:41.840 that down you know i think there are a lot of people out here who um i've even seen it when

02:04:48.180 like in relation to people that have taken an oath to defend the constitution uh in this day and age

02:04:53.660 it it that even comes with a sense of like uh but you know 50 years ago not nothing at all

02:05:01.780 that would have been so alien of an idea so outlandish um that uh it just wouldn't be

02:05:10.940 entertained. So again, uh, I oftentimes when I think of people that try to make you question

02:05:17.840 or stuff, uh, if it's family, you know, of course there could be concern or worry or something of

02:05:22.640 that nature, but a lot of people try to attempt to pacify people's, um, intents or make them get

02:05:29.320 caught up in some sort of trap that, uh, that it is nefarious and cunning, but no, a warrior stands

02:05:36.260 and believes and holds true for himself, for his family, for the gods, for his nation,

02:05:44.380 for his people. You hit it all right there. There's nothing I can say.

02:05:51.460 And these are fundamentally American principles. And I don't think there's anything wrong with

02:05:57.440 that. But I would also say, I understand that family are going to have concerns.

02:06:00.700 if they do and you can you can prove this and don't just google search afa because it's not

02:06:08.660 going to show things that necessarily put us in the best light but the austral folk assembly has

02:06:14.640 never ever been implicated in illegality or violence or nefarious doings of any kind in any

02:06:23.180 official legal capacity you have angry people on the left that throw around accusations but none

02:06:29.940 them have ever been true about us if you look at our interact interactions that we actually have

02:06:34.740 with our community we literally feed i think over a thousand families every month if not very close

02:06:44.420 to it with our food distributions we're good neighbors if you ask the people that know us

02:06:50.980 i think that would allay a lot of those fears

02:06:52.980 uh what are the plans for the two hops in addition to the original 12. all right so we're still

02:07:00.240 talking about this is not official this is just just ideas out there you threw it out there i did

02:07:06.640 i did because i know i'm proud of it and and whatever we're just deciding so those 12 are

02:07:10.980 locked in stone is what we're going to do but after that the next two hops that we are considering

02:07:16.720 at this time is a Hoff to Frigg and to Freya. And they certainly deserve Hoffs, and we would

02:07:26.120 love to honor them and worship them with that in that way. And that's the next two after the 12

02:07:32.300 that we're currently thinking about. And again, I've surrounded that in as much waffling as I can,

02:07:39.560 so don't hold me to it if something happens between now and then. We're talking about

02:07:44.240 13 and 14 and we've only really got physically four right now so it's gonna be a few years

02:07:50.560 um but yeah that's that's our current thinking on that um svan any relation between

02:08:01.680 woden and woad the blue paint slash dye used to dye things or to paint the body

02:08:08.160 uh yeah i was okay one of the interesting things linguistically there may be uh because the the

02:08:20.260 word woad or uh the root word or perhaps the root word that exists both in gallic and in

02:08:26.920 teutonish language or germanic language is again associated with fervor uh with ecstatic states and

02:08:35.440 uh the usage of of woad in the gallic sense especially the island galls or the isle

02:08:42.960 galls um the picts and and um and the ire irish um or the references that was brought about with

02:08:51.420 the usage of the blue paint um coming specifically from that herbal um woad uh die and that it

02:08:59.820 having a linkage to ecstatic behavior for battle and ecstatic kind of uh or perhaps even because

02:09:09.260 am i looking into that as far as like chemically and how that if it does have some sort of effect

02:09:15.580 whether perhaps it maybe it was mixed with something else to have a topical effect or if it

02:09:21.980 was ingested uh as well as being topically applied or or something i i haven't hit a lot of official

02:09:29.980 things in that area but i think also too it may have connection to the the i don't want to say

02:09:38.780 the aesthetic of of war between the the the tribe itself having this um connection of brightness

02:09:46.140 But also, too, the fear that it causes and the essence of what it does to the enemy.

02:09:55.480 I think, you know, if we're looking at it before, say, even the Romans who are the ones that marked on it about the usage, that it was used between each other.

02:10:05.100 the the the the uh gaulish people of the isles were probably painting themselves up when fighting

02:10:11.900 each other or perhaps maybe that was even uh a status of a type of battle that was far more

02:10:18.060 significant than maybe just a skirmish um in which there was some ritualistic uh thresholds that had

02:10:25.260 to be like this is a big one this is going to affect everything we need to prepare ourselves

02:10:29.420 for this and there may have been some elevation to that but i've looked into like again is there

02:10:34.220 a physical topograph like top topical effect that comes from it or ingestion i haven't found anything

02:10:39.900 of real importance other than perhaps the the name of the herb came from it being a component

02:10:50.620 in a s in a in a mixture of things and so it was just simply that plant which creates the blue

02:10:57.500 woad paint is woad but also that it may have been mixed and added to create in a static state

02:11:05.940 that's an interesting topic in and of itself um but tangible connections uh between the the herb

02:11:14.780 itself and the paint no but the the root word and perhaps maybe that meaning yes i do believe it

02:11:21.120 does, because it stems all the way back, proto-Indo-European, for fervor, fury, and an ecstatic

02:11:31.720 state.

02:11:36.660 Yeah, I tend to think that as well.

02:11:38.800 It's linguistically too close not to be, and the idea of separating, I don't know, it

02:11:49.460 may seem strange to us now but the idea of donning that kind of special war paint for battle

02:11:58.420 was a religious a religious right doing that was believed it's one of the reasons they fought with

02:12:07.860 the woad and not with a bunch of armor and other things is it was supposed to protect you and be an

02:12:13.320 armor in and of itself it had a spiritual might to it so i think the connection to to spiritual

02:12:18.900 might uh is connected in both of those uses of the term um but i think it's it's you know

02:12:26.740 a loose and distant connection uh next question is would you say that the old norse people were

02:12:34.580 less honored for being more neutral regarding their worshiping taking into account the small

02:12:40.980 evidences of veneration of good looking to some giants what is your take on that question spawn

02:12:51.860 uh old norse people were less honored for being more neutral regarding their their worshiping

02:12:57.300 that part the first part uh i i you could definitely see an escalation with foreign

02:13:03.620 elements. When Christianity was coming into the Norse period, we saw the mentioning of the

02:13:12.700 Christians saying that women that are of the old faith, they wear turtle brooches. Christian women

02:13:20.140 don't. They don't adorn themselves with these things. We see it again with the Thor's hammer

02:13:24.700 and the cross. And there was this escalation of molds that were made at that time to facilitate

02:13:31.820 the desire by people in the in the community to kind of show their their uh lack of neutrality

02:13:39.020 if you will i'm sure there were people who were neutral i know that some icelanders were remarked

02:13:43.980 at being uh kind of in both in regards to certain things but um the the the latter part of the

02:13:50.860 question as far as connection to the old norse people in worshiping like i guess what you're

02:13:58.220 alluding to is like maybe worshiping uh non-aligned yotnar

02:14:07.660 i i you know or or maybe i i wonder if taking into account the small evidence of venerations of

02:14:13.420 of good looking to some giants um i mean again i i would say it's that you see it a lot more in

02:14:22.940 placation sometimes uh placation towards the gods asking for things and and then also even kind of

02:14:31.820 uh trying to duck fate when given the boons of the gods is often seen as calamitous and it's

02:14:38.460 brought about with you know oftentimes in the stories they're great instigators of a whole

02:14:43.820 series of events that's going to happen um but i i i would assume that there might have been

02:14:52.300 a lot of people that had problems with if uh somebody was taken to overly venerating chaotic

02:14:59.740 forces that were outside of the gods that there may have been but as far as accounts that i can

02:15:05.820 tangibly point to i i don't but you definitely see that the idea of neutrality was not necessarily

02:15:13.340 a thing at least archaeologically we know there's a lot of evidence showing that our ancestors

02:15:20.700 took to even when there was credence saying like you know you got you can't worship the gods

02:15:25.420 they were worshiping the gods and collecting food and and holding the holy tides and were punished

02:15:32.860 and oftentimes willing to die rather than accept this foreign religion which was oftentimes

02:15:38.780 associated with the power rise of an individual who was absolutely willing to accept money or land

02:15:46.220 or titles or or loans from the the central europe where christianity had established itself

02:15:54.140 but that's the best i could take that question it's a little confusing yeah it is a little bit

02:15:59.020 confusing but i don't think that you know our our old norse ancestors were particularly known for

02:16:06.300 neutrality um it's it's hard to say because there was you know one of the things that

02:16:14.620 made our people easily conquerable was the fact that there was no, you know, old Norse empire.

02:16:22.260 There was all these various different autonomous small groups that, you know, would cascade fold

02:16:30.800 into the bigger economy of Europe, be it the, you know, monetary economy or the religious economy

02:16:37.560 of europe and greed and various other things motivate people to make less than ethical choices

02:16:46.840 because there was no centralized uh governing structure it was much harder for any resistance

02:16:53.400 of that to occur but i'm not really sure if that's part of the question i think the question

02:16:57.480 is more because in the ed as they describe some of the giants as being good looking

02:17:01.320 that that's somehow an indicator of them being neutral on the spiritual matters. And I don't

02:17:08.560 think at all. I think that's something that Svonne and I have tried really hard throughout

02:17:11.620 the show today to say is that's a linguistic gray area to the chaotic forces of evil Yotnar

02:17:23.180 and the primal forces that come into alignment or into peripheral interaction with our gods in a

02:17:31.960 positive way. There is a whole spectrum of Jotunar and the ones on the fringes that are evolving

02:17:40.340 into something better, that are giving their spiritual gifts to the gods to further order,

02:17:46.900 um they transmute out of that uh that base yotnar category and i think they are literally beautified

02:17:53.920 by that in our folklore we see you know people changing their visual appearance because of these

02:18:00.280 things we see that throughout our folklore not just in in the eddas we see you know

02:18:07.600 a person in a story as they become villainous they turn necrotic or turn stooped over and

02:18:17.440 twisted and ugly and as they return to goodliness to righteousness to honor

02:18:23.500 they literally beautify and I think that that is part of the transmutation of of the soul in these

02:18:30.820 uh yodnar examples um just a one little thing real quick uh some of the stuff that's worth

02:18:39.940 noting is when they talk i've heard people talk about like oh well you know the vikings they

02:18:43.940 they enslaved other you know people european peoples and all that stuff um again they're

02:18:49.700 slapping on presentism to a time in the past and we know you know again we're speaking of

02:18:55.940 autonomous tribal units that oftentimes thought what is good for my people and they were talking

02:19:01.220 specifically about whatever those guidelines were and then once they gave their word to join in

02:19:06.500 perhaps a battle of a something that they weren't even involved in you see this again with al scala

02:19:11.540 grimason when he joins to help fight the scots for the anglos and so once he once he gets paid

02:19:20.100 and once he you know takes that oath he goes forward and that it with that or the verandians

02:19:24.820 where they the you know in in byzantium uh you know the the um the emperor king is killed and

02:19:32.740 they uh the new the new person steps in and they bow to the person that their oath to protect the

02:19:40.020 throne not necessarily just the person these again are moral things that we look at at that time

02:19:47.460 i don't necessarily think that's a parameter of present time i mean again our we know that

02:19:54.660 it's kind of like saying like we shouldn't write down anything about what we're doing nowadays

02:19:59.300 because our ancestors didn't write things down but knowing that writing things down or perhaps

02:20:04.820 again being an empire or uniting under one banner would have perhaps thwarted issues that it's

02:20:12.820 completely within reason to say well perhaps we should do that now because we see what had

02:20:17.620 happened in the past i don't think that we're locked into the moral uh framework of our ancestors

02:20:24.100 entirely in everything like like they like they had evolved from previous events and understandings

02:20:31.220 of things and we too continue to evolve in in holding that that moral correctness or what we

02:20:38.500 see is the best path to get there all right uh next question will you folks have a hof

02:20:46.260 in the northeast at any point in the near future hopefully it depends on what near future means to

02:20:52.740 you um matter of fact i was just talking with uh witten cliff erickson uh i think yesterday about

02:21:01.300 that maybe the day before um so the next okay so time frame wise the next hoff is going to be phrase

02:21:12.820 hoff it's going to be in ohio following that will be tears hoff that is going to be on sigerheim

02:21:18.820 in tennessee after that is braggies hoff and we don't know you know that's far enough out that

02:21:25.860 we don't know what situation we'll be in at the time one area that i would really really like to

02:21:31.380 see some growth and to get something in is the northeast i would love to see something say you

02:21:37.940 know massachusetts north would be really nice we don't have the pieces in place for that right now

02:21:45.780 but by the time of braggieshoff that may well be a thing that's what cliff was saying he was like

02:21:50.980 you know maybe if we angle just right we could we could make it to where braggieshoff is up there

02:21:56.100 there's a couple other spots that are in contention for where braggieshoff might be

02:22:00.260 could be in the pacific northwest down in arizona or in texas are other options

02:22:07.540 but northeast is still very much on the table for braggieshoff and further

02:22:12.260 next question is what exactly does arian mean there seems to be a lot of middle eastern and

02:22:22.100 asian associations with the word does this mean europeans and asians are one people also can you

02:22:30.340 and then the question cuts off oh can you elaborate on eurasia yeah i don't know why

02:22:36.900 it's not showing up on my end can you around okay cool so yes fine go ahead i've got some things on

02:22:42.900 this but go ahead oh i mean yeah first and foremost like when we talk about the um the

02:22:49.620 nomenclature of the word uh in regards to a people that a lot of people like to point out immediately

02:22:57.140 they speak of the iranians because they they used it in in naming um the the people of that area and

02:23:05.540 ultimately the land which they had um kind of set out so a lot of people say no no the Aryans are

02:23:12.180 are um the Iranians and then when uh of course we know linguistically through um many of the old

02:23:20.500 writings from the Vedic period in in Hinduism the the usage of the word Araya and in association with

02:23:28.420 the nobles and with the the people coming in from the north into india there's clear linguistic

02:23:36.100 connections there again what i think it's more important to consider is the usage of the word

02:23:43.220 has changed but is one pervading connection linguistically um and that's because it has been

02:23:50.900 brought into those regions that you speak of whether it's asia uh whether it's the middle east

02:23:56.660 or whether it's even again like in the hellenics you know they have the words like ariana and

02:24:02.260 arianus and all of those things where they talk about honor and nobility and those connections

02:24:09.060 and it even goes so far as to even with the gauls and their usage even with the the the usage of

02:24:15.860 ire uh with ireland and the ire uh it all also goes into and people could say oh there's no

02:24:22.420 connection you don't know what you're talking about but i mean this this um the the root word

02:24:27.540 structurings of all of these places have a connection to the word whether it's honor or

02:24:32.580 nobility um but understanding that language is carried by people and those people have come from

02:24:42.100 a central place and moved into um europe is unique in the sense that the way it was kind of layered

02:24:50.500 as people moving westward you know we see that more as a series of times because when they look

02:24:56.820 at like uh you know the uh the bell beaker or the um the you know the even all the way back to like

02:25:05.140 the monolith builders and some of the things that they're looking at genetically and then they look

02:25:09.620 at like the yamnaya people who they kind of have painted as these they they want to say yamnaya

02:25:15.060 or they want to say kurgan because of their death burials the kurgan mounds um they want to avoid

02:25:21.460 using the word arian obviously because of political and wartime things but these people

02:25:27.220 had the word arian or era or aria or anything in their language and did it denote like

02:25:35.860 them specifically it usually meant noble honorable so again it's linguistically there

02:25:43.060 it's just its usage and how it was used differently by different people but those people in europe

02:25:47.860 you see them in waves and they try to separate them or they try to paint the the kurgan or yum

02:25:52.500 nai as like these kind of evil marauding um you know patriarchal you know group that comes in and

02:25:59.620 just kills this like mother earth worshiping basket weaving um peaceful european um you know

02:26:07.460 communes uh but when you look at genetics they see that the the differentiation between the young naya

02:26:13.860 and the um the pre-existing people there uh are you know they're the variations genetically are

02:26:21.700 almost like null uh and and also too they most likely mixed even though the idea that they were

02:26:28.180 like just completely obliterating or genociding these people is i think politically a narrative

02:26:33.140 they try to push but um again it's the usage of the the word so do the do we connect um

02:26:41.220 linguistically yes is because the source of where that word comes from uh and the people that it

02:26:46.020 comes from and how it's kind of moved into the middle east how it's moved into india and how

02:26:49.700 it moved into europe but as far as like the usage of it applying to um the definition or nomenclature

02:26:58.580 of a people again looking at who they are as they come into these lands the the they are the warrior

02:27:06.900 people the noble people the people that have the wheel the people that have metal people that are

02:27:11.780 that bring their the gods that they that they have they they bring that religion that faith with them

02:27:18.500 and um that great effect and that kind of nomenclature isn't always definitively placed down

02:27:24.820 um has it kind of you know as i think as semitic people uh people that speak the semitic languages

02:27:32.660 especially like in iran um yes there's some intermixing there that you can see culturally

02:27:38.500 it's the same within within india looking at like in the northwest as opposed to like

02:27:43.300 central and south um so when you're talking about genetics and things like that

02:27:49.060 um there's clear differentiations but the in the language there is a connectivity because

02:27:54.580 we can see that any linguistic scholar will tell you that there is connections between Sanskrit

02:28:01.220 to uh Gaulish and and to uh Latin and um so there that that connection is there because of that

02:28:09.780 movement because of the the invasion theory as a lot of people call it and some people have

02:28:15.060 try to disclaim it and then genetics has absolutely proven it to be true um but uh utilizing it in

02:28:24.100 reference to honor to nobility and to an overall people uh perhaps where they source from and again

02:28:33.220 you know the the waves that moved westward into europe uh seemed to be again that emanation was

02:28:39.300 met with not really encountering any sort of other people that were coming from those places.

02:28:46.900 There was no connection really like, I think, like Africa or the Middle East as it much was

02:28:51.940 with the Iranians or with the Dravidians of India and things like that. So that's where it gets a

02:28:58.160 little interesting to say the least. Please, if you have any more on that one. So real simple

02:29:06.220 breakdown arian means uh noble it implies omitting nobility or shining with nobility

02:29:14.060 um people nowadays want to pretend that it's not a race it's a linguistic

02:29:21.820 family but unfortunately just like the the left today says that race is a social construct

02:29:31.180 no society is a racial construct way back when everything that is a culture or a language

02:29:38.860 originated with a certain racially homogenous group of people this people the arians spread

02:29:46.300 out over europe and over large parts of asia settling conquering taking territory establishing

02:29:54.300 civilization and you see that's fun mentioned you know at the two furthest extremes of the

02:30:00.860 traditional uh arian migration you have ireland and you have iran both of those words in their

02:30:08.060 native tongue mean land of the arians so whereas when they mated with populations in old europe

02:30:16.620 who were also us who were also white people that maintained a genetic integrity when the people

02:30:23.420 spread out through asia and down into india and into the middle east that became more and more

02:30:29.180 mixed with the indigenous populations of those areas but if you look and you see their uh

02:30:36.380 their noble classes or their ruling classes even to this day they have much more caucasian features

02:30:44.620 than the you know more lower class people in those societies and that's a remnant of that ancient

02:30:51.660 heritage certainly know by 2023 europeans and asians are very different in a lot of ways but

02:30:58.940 you do find very small pockets of culturally homogeneous original arians in and around

02:31:08.220 the fringes of what you would consider you know where white folks live and that's that point of

02:31:14.700 differentiation now you'll see though that when those became the dominant culture and that

02:31:20.220 language was adopted even though the genetics changed and the people still speak an aryan

02:31:24.940 language they're clearly no longer identifiably of aryan stock something else we're noting too far

02:31:34.220 eastern china the the mummies that were found uh or genetically tested recently too showing that

02:31:41.180 they were uh the mummies and of course china wasn't always as it is now nationally bordered

02:31:47.180 but these mummies were you know they had red hair and uh light skin and then they did genetic tests

02:31:53.180 on them and they were comparable to europeans uh so thus showing that they're the sourcing um

02:32:00.700 you also had plaid plaid clothing um that was a european style and it's one of those when you find

02:32:09.260 isolated mountain communities you'll see this original stock stayed and mated within a small

02:32:15.100 pool of other people to maintain that genetic integrity, sometimes on purpose and sometimes

02:32:20.880 just due to isolation. Next question is, would you consider yourself as tribalists? No, because

02:32:29.120 it all depends on what that word means to you. I would not ever use that word to describe myself

02:32:36.060 just because back in the day, and I'd say 10 years ago within Alcetru,

02:32:42.380 the differentiation was folkish universalist with tribalism being something that they put

02:32:52.760 in the middle never really had a real definition but it was kind of like we're sort of folkish but

02:32:59.580 if non-folk want to join and they're our friends we're okay with that too and that's certainly not

02:33:06.740 our position it's not my position um the astro folk assembly has always been a folkish organization

02:33:11.560 But if you don't come from that nomenclature, if you weren't involved a thousand through 10 years ago, you could be asking me a completely different question.

02:33:21.460 That word can mean many different things.

02:33:24.420 So if you have a follow up on something a little bit more to that, but as it regards to the position between folkism and universalism, no, we're absolutely folkish.

02:33:33.860 And to expand on what you mean by modern, too, I think a lot of things that I've noticed, just kind of keeping my eye out on things about the usage of the word tribal, I know there's been people saying, find your tribe.

02:33:45.600 and there's been a push for tribalism as a mindset amongst people that might be uh inclined

02:33:52.140 towards certain um you know like uh philosophical views of things like whether it's you know the

02:33:58.740 corruption of the west and you know you've got to rely on your on your people uh that that

02:34:05.880 tribalism might be where they're coming from as well i just wanted to bring it up that's the case

02:34:10.260 if the case is you know being focused on your on your local communities of of similar people then

02:34:18.260 absolutely um if the idea of being tribal is focused on people that share your ethnicity

02:34:25.060 then certainly as a as a folkish man i'm i'm absolutely for that um so again that word is so

02:34:30.740 tricky because it means it's been used many times over the years to mean many different things

02:34:36.180 our next question is are you guys familiar with the windover bog bodies in florida caucasian

02:34:43.900 bodies red hair average of six foot high with a bog cemetery um are you familiar with that spawn

02:34:51.760 just recently actually so it's really cool that this is brought up because it was like whoa

02:34:56.680 yeah and i i was i was going to talk to you about this because we were we were talking about the

02:35:02.120 Moon-Eyed people amongst the Cherokee just north of the Florida Seminole territories and how they

02:35:09.200 were kind of you know they the Cherokee spoke of the Moon-Eyed people living in that area and then

02:35:16.940 they kind of like purged them out and I had often wondered if perhaps what if there was like some

02:35:21.980 sort of southern migration or what if their expanse even there was no migration it was just

02:35:28.100 the Cherokee were encountering people in that area that they managed to deal with,

02:35:35.100 but they didn't really go any further south into where they were already established down there as

02:35:38.880 well. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm just now starting to look into that. But again, if you

02:35:43.700 look at the Cherokee Moon-Eyed people, that really piqued my interest in how there might be some

02:35:49.840 connectivity between the two. And the fact of the bog burial is really interesting.

02:35:57.280 i'll you know the idea of the um atlantic nordic land bridge um a lot of people have been you know

02:36:05.680 talking about that you know with uh understanding there was like land physical land between like

02:36:11.200 scotland and and the mainland but that there may have also been like physical ice to bridge

02:36:18.480 over and that there might have been you know migration but if we're talking about bog burials

02:36:24.800 and things like that that's very interesting because that would

02:36:30.960 place out that the progression was either genetically the same like they they sourced

02:36:36.400 from from the same people that became bog barrier burial style so that that that tradition was

02:36:43.600 genetically built in and they expressed divinity and faith in the same way from where they source

02:36:49.840 from or there was some sort of transatlantic physical movement from that time when that was

02:36:56.640 prevalent to to north america in a in a spance of time that we don't fully know or understand

02:37:04.560 i don't know very interesting i'm just now getting into it yeah i you know very very recently heard

02:37:11.280 anything about um the windover bodies but the idea of ancient uh white folks in the americas

02:37:19.280 is something that i'm very very interested in i've always found fascinating um one thing i live out

02:37:24.640 here in reno and very close to me a couple hours away is the uh lovelock caves and there's you know

02:37:31.200 legend about these red-haired giants that uh lived in the caves and and the local indian tribes

02:37:37.440 eventually trapped them in their cave and smoked them out and killed them all but uh it was really

02:37:43.280 fascinating because they're very much described as as caucasians with red hair and yeah and they

02:37:48.080 went into those caves and found bones of yeah yeah you know yeah and again you know not freakish

02:37:55.040 giant but you know six foot and above kind of bone structure no absolutely that's true that's

02:38:01.360 fascinating i talked last week about um you know i talked about uh bog burials well this was last

02:38:08.160 week i talked about mound burials the mounds in west virginia and the the mound building culture

02:38:14.480 there is so very different than other native american cultures yet it's so very similar to

02:38:20.560 the uh mounds that we saw when we were in denmark a couple months before i was in that area so that

02:38:25.600 was also fascinating there is a lot to uncover there and it's hard to find definitive things

02:38:31.040 on it but it's it's absolutely fascinating um next question i understand it's a touchy word

02:38:38.080 but would you say that the christianization of at least some parts of scandinavia was a genocide

02:38:46.020 what would you say on that swan

02:38:49.660 uh i would say no uh uh mainly because and again it's a touchy word so just bear with me on it but

02:39:02.280 But there was a – and especially the Christianization because you brought that up.

02:39:09.480 Christianization was about utilizing the people, the land, and if they were decimated, there was nothing left.

02:39:23.280 I don't think they were – Christianity has so much overlay on and so much seepage up through it.

02:39:31.640 was trying to cap off the old ways and so much has come up through it through time um

02:39:38.600 that there was not i would say enough of a distinct breakage between the people of the

02:39:45.880 elder faith and and the the christianity that was coming from rome i think they they saw this more

02:39:52.280 as a political and governmental changeover and um that the spiritual part followed later

02:40:00.280 and that spiritual part had a lot of a massive effects i think spiritually it killed a lot but

02:40:10.120 physically i i don't think it fits so words matter and i understand that you know there's a lot of

02:40:18.680 overlap it's you know it's like when the lefties want to accuse somebody being racist against

02:40:25.400 cripple people cripple people is not a race racism doesn't apply it was a terrible um human rights

02:40:33.000 atrocity certainly it was not a genocide because i don't think it was trying to eliminate a certain

02:40:38.920 genetic group and i and i think that difference really does does matter and it's why i wouldn't

02:40:44.520 call it that it's just as just as bad just as as uh much of an act of of criminality against our

02:40:53.080 people but it wasn't to replace them genetically it was very much to to alter the the political

02:41:00.040 and religious uh landscape and through through brutal means and through lots of deaths but there

02:41:06.680 was never the intent to wipe out the scandinavian people and replace them with you know continental

02:41:11.480 europeans um next week go ahead the spiritual um severance you know they desperately sought to kind

02:41:21.240 of dissect the people from the birthright the blood the faith of their that they have that

02:41:28.200 flows in them was it was a religious side maybe um but the yeah the motivation was not genetic

02:41:37.800 so i couldn't call it that uh god that is what i wanted to ask is there any afa in east palestine

02:41:45.000 right now or around it and are they all right it is sad they just cover it up and lie about how

02:41:51.640 am i how danger it really dangerous it really is um no and as a matter of fact when you asked

02:41:57.400 the question i checked our map there is nobody in east palestine which is very small we do have

02:42:04.040 members you know as close as the youngstown area which is still pretty close but it falls kind of

02:42:11.720 right in the middle between two larger groups of folk who are in you know akron and uh pittsburgh

02:42:19.560 so it falls in kind of an area where we don't have a lot of membership except for the couple

02:42:23.560 of folks in youngstown but i'm glad that you mentioned that and i will reach out to their

02:42:28.120 folk builder and just make double sure that they're all right um so that is the last question

02:42:39.400 we've got in the queue tonight does anybody have any any last minute things they want to ask or

02:42:44.920 make sure that we get to um seeing all these uh really cool interesting conversations going on in

02:42:55.720 the the chat i think that that's a a a part i never really contended with was the entertainment

02:43:02.520 slash information and kind of interesting points being made in chat that's that's really cool

02:43:09.080 really happy there's so much engagement the chat on this is always very lively

02:43:14.200 we got a lot of great people over there that have really you know useful oh okay this is what i did

02:43:19.480 want to touch on and if you guys ask a question before i'm done with this we'll absolutely get to

02:43:24.120 it and answer it and if not we'll probably call it a night i saw a question in the chat or some

02:43:28.840 comments about um sorry no i see this question that popped up wrap snacks because they're delicious

02:43:38.360 i will eat wrap snacks that are gifted to me it has been a long time since i have purchased

02:43:42.520 wrap snacks if that makes it any better um i'm grasping at straws so what i will say is about

02:43:49.800 Hoffs. We had a comment over there like, man, all the Hoffs are in the east. We really need

02:43:54.240 another Hoff in the west. The only Hoff in the west is Odin's Hoff. That's true. And so I thought

02:43:59.940 it would be useful to talk about, you know, maybe why that is or what the criteria is on where we're

02:44:07.520 going to put these Hoffs. We, planning wise, we have pretty free reign of where we want to put

02:44:15.060 most of these. The two exceptions, to my mind, being Njordshof, it was very important to us

02:44:22.140 that we put that someplace that was coastal and that had a, you know, living off of the sea

02:44:29.780 tradition to it. That was really important. We had considered one time Washington State as a

02:44:35.660 possibility or Florida, and, you know, obviously we've gone with White Springs, Florida,

02:44:41.200 and i think it's great there but that one needed to be near a thriving coastal area and then um

02:44:51.120 ulershof when we do ulershof it's important to me that it's somewhere that's that's cold ideally

02:44:57.440 somewhere that's cold and mountainous and that you know there's hunting and things that take

02:45:01.600 place and snow i think it would be certainly a wonderful thing to honor uler in arizona but i

02:45:08.320 I think having an Ullers Hoff in Arizona for his first Hoff would be, you know, less than ideal.

02:45:17.360 That said, we've got a pretty, pretty wide array of things other than that for most of our Hoffs.

02:45:24.180 So it comes down to where do we have enough people to maintain it and members that would want to go to it.

02:45:33.100 And so we start looking at places within, you know, large clusters of people within about a two to three hour commute to it.

02:45:41.780 But on top of that, what we've really learned over time is that we need a gothy in the area to first to provide the priestly functions of the Hoff,

02:45:52.860 but also to provide the stability of being you know a time-tested afa leader in the spot

02:45:58.940 to run the hof to take care of it to make sure that um yeah to make sure that it's taken care

02:46:05.500 of property properly a hof is a big investment it's a big upfront investment but more than that

02:46:11.980 once we establish a hof we make a commitment to forever have that be a beautiful wonderful place

02:46:18.700 and a temple to one of our gods so we can't have people up and leave and then be stuck with this

02:46:24.140 empty building that's not our commitment we owe them better than that so we try to pick the spots

02:46:29.980 that are going to be most secure and have that redundancy of people there now you know i don't

02:46:35.820 know if it's unfortunate not it perhaps it's unfortunate if you live in the west but for

02:46:40.540 the afa our growth has been great but very much of that growth has happened in the eastern half

02:46:47.260 of the country lately which is which is uh strange because the afa started out as such a west coast

02:46:53.500 phenomenon now we have tons of members out west don't get me wrong but providing that structure

02:46:59.660 to get a hof out there it is still in competition with some areas in the east i mentioned when we're

02:47:06.540 looking at where we would like to have braggies hof some really strong front runners like i said

02:47:12.380 are somewhere in the pacific northwest somewhere in arizona somewhere in texas i think either three

02:47:19.660 of those would be a great choice with the current layout we have now but we do have areas in like

02:47:25.820 maine and new hampshire that are absolutely on the rise and if they catch up and are in

02:47:30.860 a better more favorable spot by then that is another very realistic opportunity but i just

02:47:36.060 wanted to share what's uh you know some of the ideas that go into it and then again

02:47:40.060 something else that goes into it is you know all things being equal which of those places can we

02:47:45.420 find the facility that we need for a price that we can afford that's within our price range

02:47:51.740 as we become larger and as you guys continue to be so generous our means and what we can afford

02:47:59.580 expands but we do got to still make reasonable choices on that and very often the properties

02:48:06.540 that we would want with the buildings on them we want are beyond our grasp economically so

02:48:13.340 you know getting something in washington state is very hard to do economically whereas getting

02:48:17.580 something in you know another state might be easier i know that the states that i mentioned

02:48:23.580 specifically you know the the northeast and the northwest are very expensive

02:48:28.140 whereas texas you can find some very very good deals and in arizona you can find some good deals

02:48:33.500 as well so that does factor in but there's all these different things that come into play between

02:48:37.660 now and then and i'll definitely keep you guys updated as our as our plans develop on that

02:48:46.540 um got a couple of more questions in here

02:48:52.460 uh one question is superstition is nothing other than paganism surviving within christianity

02:48:58.620 would you say that you agree with that based on this premise

02:49:03.580 that germanic heathenry never died even after the christianization

02:49:10.780 um i think that some superstition is certainly paganism holding over through christianity and

02:49:22.140 i think that's absolutely true i think there's other superstition there's christian superstition

02:49:28.620 So I don't think that all superstition is a holdover of pagan belief, but I do think that quite a bit of it is and is based on on pieces of that.

02:49:38.120 And I also do, I do and I don't agree with that premise. I think it's very tempting for us to want to suggest that Ausatru never died out as a practice and there were always these little small underground enclaves of people practicing it.

02:49:56.480 But we don't really see evidence of that. We do see a very long holdover in folk tradition and people hanging on for a very long time. But, you know, we don't see 1500, 1600s practitioners of Ossetree. We really don't.

02:50:15.420 I wish that we did, and I believe that a whole lot of elements of it culturally survived, and certainly the seed for it, the fertile ground for it survived in our existence as a people.

02:50:30.220 And as I said towards the beginning of the broadcast, it exists within us, within our folk soul, to reestablish our relationship with our gods.

02:50:42.320 and that that wasn't awake and active for a really long time and i think that it has awakened

02:50:48.960 and become active in the last hundred years certainly um but yeah i do think that quite

02:50:55.760 a bit of superstition and certainly a lot of cultural elements and cultural trappings for

02:51:00.800 other religious experience are definitely holdovers from our ancestral faith what do you think spun

02:51:08.080 uh the only thing i would say just to bear in mind when superstition is kind of dropped

02:51:13.280 it means irrational and i think that there was a big movement in christianity even amongst other

02:51:18.640 christians was this idea of uh centralizing the urban uh versus the agricultural and so in a sense

02:51:26.960 of like yes agricultural cultures kept many of that alive even despite the the the integration

02:51:34.560 or or encapsulation of christianity um but it wasn't irrational i think sometimes things like

02:51:40.880 that too can become more irrational as it gets disconnected from the cultural sense of passing

02:51:47.200 it down uh but you know again even the word pagan you know uh utilized before christianity

02:51:54.000 was seen as a bumpkin or you know like uh if a roman soldier referred to another roman soldier

02:51:59.760 as a paganini he was a he was a person that lived out in the mountains and had a plot of land and

02:52:05.200 so therefore he might have the old ways about things or the old thoughts of things and that's

02:52:10.080 interesting even before christianity in rome but um i just the idea of it being irrational sometimes

02:52:18.240 yes because i think there was a cultural disconnect after christianity came in other

02:52:23.120 times too christianity itself has created its own various types of superstitions even based

02:52:29.440 on uh how christianity interacted with people or like as um urbanization in rome uh the superstitions

02:52:38.480 that kind of came from there might be very different than say the agricultural uh christians

02:52:43.520 of uh near holland or something like that but yeah um so yes yes and no so obsidian skull makes

02:52:53.680 a good point over in the chat talking about um the evidence of of sacrifices to elves and saints

02:53:01.520 and and to clarify you're you're a hundred percent correct in the sense that those are

02:53:07.520 pagan things to do certainly they're certainly um against you know the tenets of of the bible and

02:53:16.320 uh judaism and christianity for certain um but my point is the people who were practicing those

02:53:25.040 even though some of those saints were modeled after our ancient gods the people who practiced

02:53:31.120 that didn't conceive of those saints as being you know icier or uh the gods of our ancestors

02:53:40.240 the people who worshiped them and with sacrifice who worshiped them in a pagan and idolatrous manner

02:53:46.320 still conceived of them in that Christian context as martyrs for Christ or soldiers for Christ.

02:53:53.320 That mindset really was very, very complete for, you know, Central, Western and Northern Europe and Southern Europe, certainly.

02:54:03.620 You know, there was areas in like Lithuania that had lasted very much longer.

02:54:07.280 And there was probably still communities in that area that maintained some authentic form of paganism into, you know, into modern times.

02:54:16.320 But in medieval times, folks doing very pagan things in their Catholicism still felt they were practicing Catholicism, even though they were doing it in a very unorthodox way.

02:54:30.260 So we've got two more questions left.

02:54:34.160 uh does the afa accept people that might not be seen as white such as how in america hispanic is

02:54:41.220 seen as a race but some of them are also white with spanish plus other european ancestry does

02:54:47.860 the afa accept them so we get asked this a lot and i think it's really important to clarify this

02:54:56.520 so people know and understand and i do get the question um and and the hispanic ones are an

02:55:04.020 interesting one so the afa standard is always has been and always will be do you look white

02:55:12.580 do you identify yourself as white do other people see you do we see you as white and that's kind of

02:55:19.460 the test we don't do a dna test on it we don't you know try to figure that out if you are you know

02:55:27.700 hispanic in the sense that you come from mexico or cuba or one of those places

02:55:33.380 and you are a spaniard and your people have always been spaniards and are not intermixed

02:55:39.460 significantly with the native population then you're a spaniard a spaniard is absolutely one

02:55:44.420 of our folk and is white and we accept that if when we see you we don't see a spaniard we see

02:55:51.620 an aztec then then no we don't accept that the other thing is even if we look at you and we see

02:55:58.420 a spaniard if you want to tell us all day long about how aztec you are then we would also not

02:56:04.820 accept that the example i use is elizabeth warren she did her genetics she's whiter than

02:56:10.100 the rest of us she's as white as you could possibly be but she's going to go around and

02:56:15.460 talk about how she's a an indian all day long and that's disruptive to our group but we don't find

02:56:21.300 that acceptable so there's not a perfect answer to that question especially when you talk about

02:56:28.020 hispanics if you watch a lot of you know mexican soap operas a whole lot of those people are white

02:56:34.020 folks but a lot of people but a lot of them aren't so it's a very fine line and it's unfortunate that

02:56:39.380 people find themselves in that spot but uh yeah it's about whether you appear to the rest of us

02:56:45.860 to be white and whether you are convinced that you are white and don't tell us about how not white

02:56:52.020 you are um last question of the night i know it's touchy subject for some but i'm really curious

02:57:02.980 to know your opinions of adolf hitler was he a hero of our race or was he evil as many claim him

02:57:10.580 to be so here's the thing it's not just a touchy subject it's become the

02:57:20.900 hitler and uh the national socialist german workers party have become

02:57:26.580 um the boogeyman of the west for the last you know 90 years

02:57:34.580 it is it is so complex and so much of the facts are lost to time and so much of the facts are

02:57:45.960 hopelessly overshadowed by dishonest history portrayal, that it becomes very, very hard

02:57:57.780 to have any kind of objective or fair conversation about that.

02:58:03.480 As it is right now, I'm speaking for the Astru Folk Assembly, and as the Astru Folk Assembly,

02:58:10.040 we have no position on, you know, 1930s and 40s German politics.

02:58:17.480 You will find members of the AFA with all varying degrees on that subject.

02:58:23.100 What I do want to say is it is a disservice to truth when you allow propaganda to get in the way of accurately recording history.

02:58:44.860 And it is a very big disservice to truth and to future generations when you politicize history and you make it illegal to question history or to look into history with a fair and objective view or to have an alternative theory about history.

02:59:08.800 and it always makes me very very curious and very suspicious because there's not many things

02:59:16.720 in history that you're not allowed to question yet in large parts of the western world things

02:59:22.800 involving that regime and that conflict you're not allowed to have a question on so if if that

02:59:31.440 is a question you need to resolve in your mind i would encourage you to look into that and

02:59:36.080 and see and see the people that you're not allowed to question and see the facts that you're not

02:59:42.320 allowed to dispute and you know have that guide some of your quest to better understand that

02:59:47.920 history and i think that's probably the best we've got on that for right now um svawn thank you so

02:59:56.960 much for joining us again tonight uh your talks are always fantastic you drop so much knowledge

03:00:03.200 on all of us we really appreciate you i look forward to talking to you again in two weeks

03:00:10.320 yeah thank you for having me and i i did want to um give a little hail to ian me and him uh

03:00:17.200 go really far back as far as i guess social media just uh religious conversations that

03:00:23.440 back you know about ausa true all the way back in the early uh teens of the 2000s um so it's

03:00:30.960 kind of nice to see him say hello um i don't know if i don't know if he remembers me because again

03:00:35.360 it wasn't a physical but we it was it was on online and we discussed a lot about religion

03:00:40.400 and things like that we were in groups talking about different like a lot of what we're kind of

03:00:45.600 talking about here so just wanted to say hail all right well you guys have a great night i look

03:00:53.680 forward to talking to y'all again next week. Hail the gods, hail the folk,

03:01:00.720 Hail the AFA and remember that victory never sleeps.

03:01:30.720 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - February 23, 2023

2⧸22⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 33 - Váli

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