Asatru Folk Assembly - 2⧸28⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 86 - Hávamál, Part 4

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00:04:17.640 Sorry, guys, I didn't realize that we were up and running.

00:04:23.800 I was just looking into a couple of different translation things.

00:04:28.160 We're going to start off with, I think the passages we're going to go through tonight

00:04:33.720 are a little bit more cryptic than some of the ones we've gone through previous.

00:04:38.600 So I think that's going to be interesting, and I'm curious where that ends up going.

00:04:44.200 But hey, everybody, and welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:04:49.340 this is or what part four now of uh of our going through the have them all um

00:05:00.560 we're really taking our time so i know this is going a little bit uh

00:05:06.380 a little bit more episodes than we planned but i think it's very good and i've uh i've gotten

00:05:12.560 really good feedback on it so far people seem to be enjoying it and they get a lot out of it and

00:05:17.480 And I'm certainly enjoying going through it.

00:05:20.300 I get something new out of it every time I go through it.

00:05:23.020 So I think it's certainly a useful endeavor.

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00:06:48.300 and uh yeah we'd love to see you there i think that's all we've got at the top of the show and

00:06:54.300 we're kind of ready to dive in before we do um nick if you could post up a link for folks who

00:07:03.020 want to follow along with the bellows translation of the have them all that's what's fauna and i

00:07:09.660 will be going through and we've got a handy website we've been using um appreciate throwing

00:07:18.060 up the link there if anybody wants to go and get situated we're going to be starting on stanza 79

00:07:30.140 feel free to follow along in whatever version you have handy wherever you're watching this

00:07:35.580 If you want to follow along in a different translation, that's fine.

00:07:40.340 Honestly, I think that's kind of cool.

00:07:41.700 Maybe you'll get a little bit something extra or different out of it.

00:07:45.420 It's always informative to see the different way stuff's translated.

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00:08:18.040 I already see Ronald Blake, our ever stalwart donator, has donated $50 to our folk services campaign that we're doing right now to help out a member.

00:08:30.960 Thank you very much for that, Ronald.

00:08:32.700 that's much, much appreciated. And with that, Svan, let's jump right into this

00:08:42.920 kind of cryptic first stanza for tonight. Yeah, so I was trying to link the gap that

00:08:52.400 is present in the English version, and I haven't been able to complete it just yet, but here we are.

00:08:59.200 So where we're going to go with what we got, mainly the usage of certain words here.

00:09:11.440 in particular the part that was

00:09:16.900 getting me was

00:09:17.840 the usage of the word runes

00:09:21.140 as it's not

00:09:22.360 used in

00:09:25.160 stanza 79

00:09:31.460 it's used in

00:09:32.720 stanza 80

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00:09:37.120 very very interesting because

00:09:38.520 you know

00:09:41.160 I was trying to piece together the Old Norse translation

00:09:45.520 in order to make better sense of it.

00:09:51.880 And so we're starting here at the turn

00:09:56.720 of what eventually is starting to,

00:10:02.740 it's like a brief look towards the future of the Havimol

00:10:06.460 as in relation to the Runetal,

00:10:09.180 but it's not fully done yet it's just making mention at this point of the runes so uh for

00:10:18.160 79 certain is that which is sought from runes that the gods so great have made and the master

00:10:26.120 poet painted and then there and it says you know it there's a gap there of the race of the gods

00:10:32.480 silence is safest and best now there is a general uh stanza placed in there in which

00:10:42.440 it's it's it's that the master poet painted red and was given by the grace of the gods

00:10:50.980 silence is safest best so it's not much of a of an issue but i just thought it was very

00:10:57.920 interesting because as i'm this is some of these uh as we're going like i have not gone through

00:11:03.120 all of the old norse of every stanza that would be i mean that's a an awesome undertaking and

00:11:11.140 would be fun in my opinion but for me to sit here and honestly say i've done it already would be a

00:11:17.040 lie so a lot of these are coming about and i'm trying to piece them together as we're going and

00:11:25.000 it's super interesting along with bellows translations of how he sought the word order

00:11:31.400 in order to make uh these things happen but the old norse uh stanza 79 in english and stanza 80

00:11:42.840 in old norse are the are the ones that are correct they're they're aligned and so

00:11:50.020 I wanted to, I don't know if it's the website. I honestly don't know why that is the case,

00:11:57.320 but it threw me off. I was like, wait a minute, why is this flipped? And so I wanted to

00:12:03.120 kind of address that and hopefully people can see it and understand again,

00:12:08.240 this is why you need multiple translations. Not all of them are correct. Not all of them

00:12:12.900 are perfect and you have to be able to you know perhaps you you can use resources on the internet

00:12:20.260 now in which you can you know look up a runic dictionary i mean not a runic dictionary old

00:12:25.060 norse dictionary and kind of get these but you have to uh kind of be able to understand like

00:12:33.780 the first part of 79 is also not their mother uh also not that it's not that it's wise so

00:12:40.260 So Osnotr is kind of like the unwise, the unwise man.

00:12:45.320 So that is clearly stanza 80.

00:12:49.080 So I think we should probably do these together.

00:12:53.980 In 79 to 80, there is that there thou reint and thou art runem spear.

00:13:01.820 so uh those yes so those those who spy or those who look upon the runes and those who seek the

00:13:14.580 runes or the wisdom of the of the runem is the word that is actually used and this is a you'll

00:13:20.640 find people try to say that runes are not um or have never been truly classified as some sort of

00:13:29.240 divinatory tool and i would always point out to this part of the volus bow in which it's clearly

00:13:36.920 stating that if you're you're the use of the word is spear spear is like seeing or uh to gain

00:13:44.680 auspicious or augury it's it's like augury so for for those who would turn to the runes for augury

00:13:53.800 that clearly connects the two so if anybody ever comes along and says well you know tacitus never

00:13:59.000 said it was the runes and and there's this no i would point to this verse in particular

00:14:04.520 that the that the the divine powers which in in the old norse is reagan kunum the the the divine

00:14:13.880 powers have set forth and painted them red um it is best that you you

00:14:23.480 not speak of and so what this is really ultimately i think translating to is is that if you know the

00:14:33.720 wisdom of the runes and you know the magic behind them you will learn much and it is best that you

00:14:39.000 keep silent about the the knowing of such things and that i think has um a loaded meaning two

00:14:48.120 meanings one uh if you are wise in the runes and you know them well being of the mindset that

00:14:57.960 this will draw attention it will not take much and i i'm a believer of course in the divin or

00:15:04.760 divinational practices of the runes it's actually how i came to ausitru to begin with

00:15:09.800 um was when i was very young and i started uh doing runic as a divination tool um

00:15:18.120 it's, if you know the runes, it will draw much attention to you.

00:15:26.860 It, a lot of people are with, are never without any wanting or need to know their future. And

00:15:33.220 it is not always the knowing of the future, but again, it's, it's really about interpreting

00:15:39.480 the past and all of the cumulative actions that will lead to the most likely future.

00:15:44.040 And with that power comes, I know it sounds cliche, but great responsibility, or at least an awareness or an understanding that it can cause you great trouble.

00:15:55.640 So that's what this verse is ultimately warning about is the runes that were given to us and can lead us into the paths of wisdom.

00:16:09.520 it is oftentimes best to be silent of it because it will allow you far too much attention if you

00:16:17.920 will so i think this is also you know if we had paid a little bit more attention um

00:16:25.540 you know actually i think it was a it was a good place to stop but i think that

00:16:30.840 the reason these two are flipped in bellows because i was looking at a couple other translations and

00:16:36.760 they're not. And on the side, they're not. But as far as a natural transition, this seems to be a

00:16:43.740 break between Odin's advice for travelers into his advice for lovers. And it seems to be a break

00:16:56.960 in the conversation. It's a reiteration that this is the path of wisdom, the advice herein.

00:17:06.760 from the high one is worthy to listen to is valuable and is solid wisdom to keep with you

00:17:13.780 through life and what you're doing and it translate it it transitions from this point on

00:17:19.140 into the discussion about um about women and so i think that might be why those two got flipped

00:17:30.480 because this is kind of a standalone and from here on out you know it starts the the advice about

00:17:40.040 women um but i think this is i don't know reiterating some of the bona fides of this

00:17:51.260 of this piece of work like hey this is this is valuable this is the wisdom of the gods you need

00:17:58.320 to listen to this you need to take heed and you know keep it close to your chest it'll it'll do

00:18:04.640 you well um but wisdom is currency especially in the world that they're talking about this is all

00:18:12.600 about being very shrewd in your dealings and faring out from your inner yard into the wide

00:18:20.380 world where people don't necessarily have your best intentions um in mind so you know don't

00:18:28.100 don't necessarily overshare and sit back and listen and have the wisdom.

00:18:32.400 And that sums up a lot of what the first portion talked about.

00:18:36.480 But I'd also like to make a note that while we were doing this,

00:18:42.000 Michael Cosgrove donated $50.

00:18:45.400 Hail the folk, hail the AFA, hail the gods.

00:18:48.300 Thank you, Michael.

00:18:49.100 We appreciate you very much.

00:18:51.440 and then we also got from folk builder mike malillo uh 100 to the new york's off fund

00:19:00.880 and that will go a long way and thank you so much for that

00:19:08.720 i um go ahead to bring up a point here um in the certain part so in 79 and again if you're reading

00:19:17.440 this on the website that we're following with the bellus translation you're going to be looking at

00:19:21.600 80 in the old norse there's a part in here where you'll see it says and the master poet painted

00:19:29.440 and there is actually the auk fauvi fimbletuller and that is an interesting use of the master poet

00:19:37.520 because fimbletuller means of course the the terrible singer or the

00:19:41.680 thimble is kind of like can be anywhere between awesome terrifying uh awe-striking and and and

00:19:53.360 and of great renown or great and un unparalleled scoped of greatness or bigness and thuler of

00:19:59.760 course is the singer so i just i find it because most people might be familiar with thimble winter

00:20:06.000 in which, of course, is a great and terrible winter.

00:20:11.260 So the master poet painted, the usage in the Old Norse is

00:20:16.200 Fimbul Thuller, terrible, or of great and unbounding end singer

00:20:24.740 or speaker of poems is, of course, no doubt,

00:20:29.940 they're referring to Lord Odin as the master poet who painted them.

00:20:36.000 So I just, I wanted to bring that up as well. And then, yes, it does kind of, again, switch into the maxims of love. And so maybe that's why they kind of did that. But you can see, and I'm trying to paint this so that people can kind of get an idea of what they're reading in Old Norse when it comes to that.

00:20:57.300 So, like, reigen kunum, reigen, reigen is, like, the word rain or reik or a rex or a reik.

00:21:09.480 It is the dominion of.

00:21:12.480 And this, of course, being the dominion of the gods, they are the reigen kunum.

00:21:21.080 And then, of course, gin reigen, like gin nunga gap means great.

00:21:27.300 rulers. So if you see anything in there every time, anytime where you see anything with the word

00:21:33.760 R-E-G-I-N, Regen, or Regen, depending on, some people think Old Norse, the G is harder. And in

00:21:41.820 modern Icelandic, generally the G is softer. So, you know, most likely it's Regen, but,

00:21:50.100 uh you know i'm not well aware about that that finite differentiation

00:21:56.640 but i wanted to bring that up i thought that was interesting the fimble fooler

00:22:01.800 is the great poet or the master poet and i've never seen fimble used in conjunction with master

00:22:10.180 all right well if and you know i think that's that's

00:22:21.780 goes along with other uh by names for the all-father uh like yig yes um there are like

00:22:31.700 especially in more archaic language there's an overlap between like immense powerful

00:22:43.620 awe-striking and terrifying there's an overlap between that that i think that i think speaks to

00:22:52.900 the transcendent difference when you are confronted with divinity because it is all those things at

00:23:05.800 once it's glorious it's scary it's awesome it's profound it's all of those things all at once

00:23:13.860 because you're dealing with something of an immensity much much greater than you're accustomed

00:23:18.640 with that could you take us into the next section of that oh wait well so to 80 the unwise man of

00:23:33.160 his maiden's love so here's an interesting one too so right off the bat when you look at 80 and

00:23:38.120 then 79 in the old norse i i already mentioned the word all snow one of the great goddesses of

00:23:44.040 or the asenya is snotra snotra is the goddess of wisdom or i would argue uh she's the goddess of

00:23:52.600 social mores uh and the importance of our ability to act noble and structure society she is the um

00:24:03.080 she governs over over the structures of things that are our propriety and impropriety what is

00:24:09.800 seemly and unseemly and so on and so forth very very subtle power but in this osnotr is

00:24:17.080 unwise man but the other thing it says you know an unwise man if a maiden's love

00:24:23.320 or wealth he chances to win so in this first part it says osnotr mother unwise man if

00:24:31.160 If aynaskgetr, aynask is not maiden.

00:24:37.940 It doesn't translate to maiden at all.

00:24:41.260 What it does translate to is the one that you seek betrothal or that you have marked as your beloved or marked as yours.

00:24:58.100 Because it can apply to other things.

00:24:59.460 It's basically, it mainly speaks of dedication.

00:25:04.680 It's dedication to or dedication from.

00:25:08.200 So in this sense, with the word getter, it is that you are trying to,

00:25:12.500 the one you are trying to dedicate to.

00:25:15.040 I just find it very interesting that it doesn't quite say that it is a maiden.

00:25:20.020 It's kind of more or less assumed.

00:25:21.660 So an unwise man, if you want dedication from, it doesn't quite specify, but you're assuming one that you seek dedication from.

00:25:34.980 And then the next word, fi, fi is of course wealth.

00:25:41.980 And just like if anybody's familiar with the runes or the younger Futhark.

00:25:45.160 So right there, you know, again, if you're looking for dedication from, again, it's presumed from a maiden or from a loved someone that you are attempting to gain attraction to or wealth, his pride will wax, but his wisdom never straightforward.

00:26:06.840 he fares in conceit. This is a really interesting and powerful conundrum. What we're talking about

00:26:15.580 is that as confidence grows, very often you will find that wisdom does not grow as fast.

00:26:26.820 That's basically what it's saying. His pride will wax, but his wisdom never.

00:26:30.240 So it's basically stating that Laura was saying that if you are to gain in confidence, if you are to move towards money and towards love or towards attracting a suitable woman or man, I guess, if this is coming from a woman's perspective,

00:26:51.820 But if you're looking for to attract a suitable partner or money and wealth and looking to gain in the world, you have to remember that your confidence will get you far, but your wisdom will get you farther and you should keep them both in check at the same time instead of letting one supersede the other.

00:27:15.160 because what will end up happening is you will fall short, drawn into things where wise people

00:27:22.100 will draw your conceitedness or your confidence against you. They'll pull you off. They'll pull

00:27:27.580 your feet out from underneath you, top heavy as you shift. So this is really stating that

00:27:34.940 in order to gain those things, good things and attain them, keep your wisdom and your confidence

00:27:42.500 at the same trajectory as it grows.

00:27:47.200 Don't let one supersede the other.

00:27:51.980 And again, we're in a section that has just profoundly accessible wisdom

00:28:04.720 that I think, you know, some folks who read this may need to take a moment

00:28:11.780 to adjust to the setting or the time and the place but you know i i think most any most any man

00:28:20.180 will recognize the truth in a lot of these stanzas about women and about the pursuit of women and

00:28:27.460 it's just you know i i don't i don't okay so one thing i think is worth adding on this

00:28:35.220 is the effect that women's attention or lack thereof gives towards a man's confidence.

00:28:48.200 We've talked when we went through Beowulf and some other things about the social dynamics

00:28:53.820 involving women. I think it certainly was true in our ancestors' time, but I think it's true

00:29:00.020 generally in society you see it how women can affect the social status or the perceived value

00:29:08.020 of men that they are showing attention to or not showing attention to and we see that displayed in

00:29:16.580 all culture all the time here on a much more personal level i think many of us have have

00:29:24.260 experienced this growing up but it's this uh you know i talk about this very difficult

00:29:33.780 paradox to break when you're a young man is you know you you want to be successful with the ladies

00:29:40.420 but you need to have confidence to do that well how do you get confidence will you get confidence

00:29:45.300 by being successful with the ladies so it's it's a strange thing you know we if we are fortunate

00:29:53.060 we find workarounds for that but it's interesting because yeah if you if you get the attention of a

00:30:00.740 woman it is very very easy for one to lose their head and abandon all wisdom and get uh very

00:30:10.500 disproportionate in their uh their confidence to wisdom ratio and i think i think many of us have

00:30:19.620 been there. But yeah, this is a good start to some really, you know, things that I think that

00:30:28.400 most of us certainly the men will recognize. And it's important to point out, I think that there's

00:30:33.740 some cross application here between the genders, but we don't believe in equality. Nobody is the

00:30:41.020 same. And a lot of the stuff we're about to hear about is very specific to women, not just to

00:30:47.300 people who you have a love interest in, depending on who's listening, but specifically to a man

00:30:55.360 as he goes out into the world and learns about women, especially if he doesn't have that

00:31:00.480 experience coming in. This is very valuable advice. I was wondering if maybe I could interject

00:31:07.120 too, just to point out some cultural aspects of Ausatru and us as Ausatruer, perhaps a cultural

00:31:14.480 look at just a brief understanding for those at home about the the way our culture is if you if

00:31:23.200 you were to look at any other culture if you were to look at native american if you were to look at

00:31:27.680 eastern oriental asian um cultures let's say korea or japan or something of that nature

00:31:34.400 they have a very culturally ingrained way in which they work with both the genders

00:31:40.400 and how the genders work together well our culture is can be can be summed up very simply or at least

00:31:49.200 perhaps we could get an inkling of an idea of where we're going with this and where we'll go

00:31:53.920 forward from in the volus bow is from the gods themselves we have 12 of our holy gods and they

00:31:59.360 are the vertical pillars of our world they are the the brunt of that holds all the pressure

00:32:05.040 they are the the the axis mundi if you will as individuals that hold up the at the cosmic order

00:32:12.960 of things it is the asana who kind of move in between and i just spoke of one of the great

00:32:19.120 asana snotra snotra of course very subtle in her powers as she moves between these vertical pillars

00:32:26.880 and so we see these genders in our gods very clearly and again reflecting too because we

00:32:33.040 We reflect the divine, and they reflect us in many ways, especially in our stories.

00:32:38.520 So the idea in this day and age where a lot of times our society is trying to force women

00:32:46.320 or convince women that they need to be the vertical pillars when a great amount of their

00:32:53.260 power is their ability to move through the pillars, and they end up, in essence, influencing

00:32:58.520 all of the pillars instead of being the singularity and being the thing that takes the brunt of force

00:33:05.300 or the brunt of of a of a say a condition or a responsibility or or even an outcome or um you

00:33:13.260 know an inevitable fall uh the weight that's laid on the vertical pillar is our society builds

00:33:20.700 towards men taking that load bearing whereas women gain their power and the goddesses show

00:33:27.680 their power with their inner weaving so you'll see a lot of this is why that value that i was

00:33:32.720 here ago they was talking about is placed in that a man can gain great wisdom in his it in his

00:33:41.880 relationships with women but in this context especially from a cultural sense is that view

00:33:47.260 the masculine as a vertical and the feminine as an intertwining almost like a basket or or a fabric

00:33:53.400 or, you know, when we have a weft and a weave going in between the verticals. And if you look

00:33:59.960 at it that way, you can then see how much of this speaks about the power of overstepping your bounds

00:34:08.360 with someone who's interwoven. And you'll see this when in relation to families, in relation to,

00:34:13.320 you know, perhaps getting into trouble. And we'll see a little bit of that. And then the other is,

00:34:18.440 is that how much of, again, clout it can bring to you.

00:34:23.440 Our society holds that where men do have the,

00:34:27.680 with the wisdom of their wives,

00:34:28.940 with the wisdom of their mothers or foremothers,

00:34:32.840 and even too with their daughters,

00:34:34.580 they gain a lateral sense of power in society

00:34:38.780 instead of strictly a vertical and individual one.

00:34:41.720 It's kind of hard, now that I'm saying it out loud,

00:34:44.820 it's kind of hard to quantify,

00:34:47.200 But that is a great analogy to start getting

00:34:50.980 in the right direction,

00:34:52.500 the vertical versus the horizontal weaving between

00:34:55.840 and how those two subtle differences

00:34:58.120 kind of encapsulate the cultural essence

00:35:01.600 of what masculine and feminine is amongst our gods

00:35:04.820 and amongst our folk.

00:35:06.680 And then, you know, again too, there is a balancing sense

00:35:09.860 like as much as there needs to be vertical,

00:35:12.080 there needs to be horizontal.

00:35:13.640 As much as there needs to be day, there needs to be night.

00:35:16.940 so on and so forth so very very important but different

00:35:24.300 sorry thank you for letting me rant on that one i something i was thinking about earlier

00:35:28.060 today i wanted to somehow quantify that for folks um in a relation with the how how we

00:35:38.540 you know again viewing the the major the 12 major gods the 14 major goddesses

00:35:43.260 the ten you know aust veneer and and the uh the six heavenly wardens so um now we're moving to 81.

00:35:57.660 uh soap boxing there for a second um let's look at this one here 81

00:36:04.860 At evening. And this, the Old Norse is the same. They're lined up. At kveldi, at evening time, the kvelding time.

00:36:22.300 The konu, the kona or konu, it's in Old Norse means woman or lady. There's lots of different words for lady. There could be fru or frua.

00:36:34.860 uh frau and kona and corner um there's a lot of different words for it but in this reference

00:36:43.420 just for etymology etymological the word for woman in gothic is kino k or i mean a q-i-n-o

00:36:52.140 kino and in old norse is corner and it's in the english language with the word queen meaning woman

00:36:58.980 um i believe the the usage of the english word queen became kind of synonymous with the first

00:37:07.940 woman or the lady of the king the first lady of the empire or the first lady of the kingdom

00:37:14.340 um but the word kano kino and queen all mean in essence woman so uh give praise to the day

00:37:23.280 at evening, to a woman on her pyre, to a weapon which is tried, to a maid at wedlock, to ice when

00:37:31.780 it is crossed, and to ale when it is drunk. Now, that is by far, I think, one of the most

00:37:39.040 warrior, it is quintessential about the premising of the warrior aspect of the world. But the

00:37:51.700 ultimate wisdom here is that praise nothing until it is seen or been tested or been been through

00:37:59.120 and it's not saying that things aren't worth praising before they might be but those praises

00:38:07.020 might fall short you have all of this potential and you start praising it on one thing and not

00:38:15.440 praising it on another and they both go across and one of them falls out or both of them fall

00:38:21.000 out. Who knows? The idea is, is that it is far wiser to hold a great sense of value towards

00:38:28.240 something that has passed its mark, passed through it. And this, again, culturally shows

00:38:35.180 these things. So don't praise the day until the day is over. You know, don't start singing praises

00:38:41.120 of the day unless you've laid it to rest. And then two, a woman on her pyre. Again, we know

00:38:48.640 that our ancestors held great regard for many of the, of the ladies, the, the Osberg ship burial

00:38:53.720 has two women in it. Um, but what we're, what they're ultimately speaking of is that there

00:38:59.960 is the potential that you could very well meet in any man or anyone in the world could tell you,

00:39:05.280 you go into a relationship. Don't praise that relationship until you've been through some

00:39:10.360 tough stuff or been through the, the gamut. And that's really what this is about is you can speak

00:39:16.380 the praises of a woman when the end is is done and you can explain all of the of the deeds that

00:39:24.080 were attained same with the weapon don't praise a weapon don't grab a weapon and say you know this

00:39:29.140 is this weapon is the best weapon in the world and it's never ever crossed blades but let's say

00:39:35.540 it's chipped or broken or being laid to rest then you can speak of all the you know the survivability

00:39:42.480 that it had as it, as it lived its life. So it's really talking about the incons, uh, inconstinent

00:39:50.760 things, I guess is the, is that the word for it? It's, it's that all things have potential,

00:39:56.180 but you should not mark them unwisely until they have fulfilled their potential and have

00:40:03.840 seen the cycle from beginning to end. I think that's ultimately the, uh, the, uh, wisdom of,

00:40:11.260 of 81 it's just i love the way bellows writes it it's so

00:40:17.180 so strong this section is primarily themed about interaction with women but this particular stanza

00:40:29.180 i find myself making reference to very often completely unrelated to relationships

00:40:37.020 but just on that aspect of you know it ain't over till the fat lady sings don't uh don't

00:40:46.200 don't praise stuff until you know i think that we've all found ourselves embarrassed

00:40:50.500 um putting too high a stock on something that we had great hope for that turns out to not be

00:40:58.080 you know not be worthy of that that we placed in it and i think we've all seen that

00:41:02.600 Be it with people, be it with circumstances or jobs or equipment or anything else, keeping a certain degree of reserve and a certain degree of skepticism and reserving of judgment until certainly you can do it best once something is completely finished.

00:41:32.600 but in a more, you know, I guess a more applicable way.

00:41:37.800 Certainly once something has been tested

00:41:39.880 and shown that it's worthy time and again.

00:41:43.420 And the more of those tests

00:41:45.180 once something goes through successfully,

00:41:47.780 certainly the more trust you can put in it.

00:41:51.180 And a lot of this, especially this next section here,

00:41:55.200 is about things that you should trust

00:41:59.140 and things that you shouldn't

00:42:00.500 and how much trust you should place in certain things while we're on this though i would like

00:42:07.780 to go ahead and acknowledge emily cosgrove 25 to the help of family in need fund and 25

00:42:15.620 to the general fund thank you emily we appreciate it a lot and then 20 from caleb to the vns fund

00:42:23.460 Thank you, Caleb. We appreciate you guys.

00:42:27.400 It blows my mind because I think that if there are people out there, perhaps, and I want new viewers, I want new people to see what the AFA, you know, is in our perspective of things, especially in text and such.

00:42:42.480 and you know I'm sure there's people out there maybe not even people who necessarily like us

00:42:48.780 I want them to know that like the power of what we do the might of our folk is what makes things

00:42:56.980 happen our folk are always helping always always giving you know whether it's sweat equity

00:43:07.600 whether it's you know donations there are so many people in the afa that are constantly

00:43:12.980 placing the nail in giving the drive time donating when they can and i i wonder sometimes i sit back

00:43:23.420 i think and and again and perhaps it's not again i'm not praising too swiftly but i am praising for

00:43:30.100 what i have seen over many years and i've seen it to the point where people wonder like how it how

00:43:36.300 things are happening how are these things getting done well you can see it it's it's in our folk

00:43:42.380 constantly giving i'm blown away by it

00:43:50.780 uh i wanted to mark to 82 but i also wanted to make another point what you said about reservation

00:43:57.820 for anyone who's reading 81 to ice when it is crossed i think any child or anybody who's ever

00:44:04.700 been near ice when they're a kid or uh again maybe perhaps ice fishing or or something of that

00:44:12.760 there is a very real danger to that and that what you said was really really i think poignant

00:44:19.040 is about reservation the idea is that you never just fully commit into the idea that the ice is

00:44:25.600 safe and so when in relation to like to a maiden at wedlock what they're talking about is don't

00:44:31.940 throw your heart all the way in until, you know, there's like that level of commitment has been

00:44:37.940 made. And that could be again, shared unilaterally, but the idea is that having that healthy

00:44:43.180 reservation. And of course you even brought up, uh, like heavy equipment, which I'm very familiar

00:44:48.960 with, you know, uh, working around equipment that could easily kill you. And so you don't praise it

00:44:55.340 until it's it's had its trials and you know that um you know you can trust in it you build a

00:45:02.180 relationship with the things you're working with the tools that you have or the vehicles that

00:45:06.000 you're driving or or operating and you you you slowly gain a trust for these for for things

00:45:13.200 around you so don't be unwise and just throw your throw reservation to the wind and and say oh yeah

00:45:19.900 everything's going to be great and everything's always going to work and you're gonna you're

00:45:24.020 gonna catch it somewhere down the line and and again these um 82 and 83 are very similar in this

00:45:33.540 in in this way um when the gale blows hue wood in fair winds seek the water sport with maidens at

00:45:46.820 dusk for day's eyes are many from the ship seek swiftness from the shield protection

00:45:56.020 cuts from the sword from the maiden kisses and so i think what this this uh stanza is really

00:46:07.760 talking about is knowing the source of your desire. So when the storm blows, when the trees

00:46:20.600 are to fall about, go to the place that you can't be felled with broken wood and with the storm

00:46:29.860 gales seek places that you know in here in fair winds seek the water so when you are moving about

00:46:38.100 in the world and you're seeking pathways or attainment or companionship you should be very

00:46:45.300 very under clear in your understanding of what you what you want and what you need from those

00:46:51.540 things and don't convolute them if you're looking to a ship if you're looking again to a vehicle

00:46:58.900 swiftness is what you should find look to a shield for protection look for cutting power

00:47:05.300 in a sword look for love and companionship in a lady look for you know the an interesting one

00:47:12.100 there sport with maidens at dusk for day's eyes are many that is an interesting one because it's

00:47:17.140 basically saying don't overact an impropriety in in the openings of of the of the the community

00:47:27.140 you should in essence try to maintain a decorum and a sense of privacy in the evening is is the

00:47:35.860 word that's being used there you know sports with me sport with maidens at dusk in essence

00:47:41.860 keep to privacy keep to where the vision is low because it's not it's unseemly to to go about and

00:47:48.020 and, you know, being overly flirtatious or overly, I guess, unseemly in the eyes of the day,

00:48:01.660 which can be seen by all. You should, in essence, act with a sense of decorum and privacy towards

00:48:07.920 people. If you have a liking towards someone and you seek to, you know, date them, then modesty

00:48:16.640 is the path that should be taken. And this is in essence with the reference to the time of dusk

00:48:25.140 is keeping those things close. They're not aired out in front of everyone at the old thing. They're

00:48:31.460 not on the road. They're not at the market. They're at night. They're at close confines.

00:48:36.400 They're at the dinner table. So even though you could take this very simply as if you're going

00:48:41.460 to go hit on women, make sure you do it in the evening time. But I think the deeper wisdom is

00:48:48.420 keep intimacy and propriety and modesty in the range in which you act in society.

00:48:57.160 If you are a young man and you are trying to win the favor of a woman,

00:49:01.960 spend that time in close proximity. Keep it at night when you can have one-on-one time

00:49:08.140 and don't make it so much a big thing in front of everyone.

00:49:11.840 It's not about the pomp and grandeur of working that relationship in the open.

00:49:22.240 It should be, again, more intimate.

00:49:25.420 So, you know, when you're in the storm, you know, be clear of wood that can fall.

00:49:36.760 When it's clear, travel. Find speed in the ship. Find protection in the shield. Find cut in the sword. And find love in a warm maiden that you are attempting to woo. Know what you're going for and keep them in a confined circle. So that way you can concentrate on things properly at proper times.

00:50:06.760 Yeah, I think something else has to do with embarrassment, social pressure.

00:50:18.720 There's a time and a place for everything.

00:50:21.220 And I'm looking over at the chat and there's, you know, folks kind of talking on it and Githya Anna's, you know, saying, so don't flirt with everything in front of everyone.

00:50:30.840 And it's one of those things. Or if you do, be prepared for the consequence of that. That's a thing. If you want to strut up and make your move in front of everybody, cool if it works. But if it doesn't, your laughingstock, maybe she would normally be receptive to hearing what you have to say, but doesn't want to in front of everybody.

00:50:55.100 um it depends a lot of this is about discretion especially when you're traveling a lot of this

00:51:03.160 is advice towards you know young men making their way in the world and uh we certainly don't want

00:51:10.080 everybody to see get shot down that's not uh not necessarily a good look so yeah i think some of

00:51:18.580 this is about you know doing the right things at the right times yeah and this is this is emphasized

00:51:24.280 again in 83 um but it does does place a slight little tinge on that dichotomy about how you

00:51:30.780 said with discretion and the understanding is is that you can also seek to find the potential

00:51:39.600 in also those things and i think that's what 83 really is talking about you know by the fire drink

00:51:45.820 ale uh over ice go on skates this first line right there is really talking about the idea that if

00:51:52.860 you're drinking ale and you're drinking with your, your friends, your family, your companions,

00:51:58.320 your close people by the fire. You're sharing these moments. Don't, I've always kind of taken

00:52:05.020 this as don't drink ale in places you don't, you don't know. Don't go out into the world and

00:52:12.540 sup on ale in houses that you don't know everyone in, or that you could find yourself in an

00:52:20.180 improprieted situation. There's a difference between drinking ale amongst your kinsmen and

00:52:25.260 friends than there is, say, amongst a lord or a manager or a boss or something, whatever it might

00:52:34.360 be in which there's that hierarchy. Basically, what it's saying is drink ale when you're by the

00:52:41.800 fire at your home with those that are close. Don't lose control over yourself. And then when you're

00:52:48.440 going over ice. Don't lose control over yourself. Go with the tools you need, like skates, in order

00:52:54.160 to keep your passage straight, clean, and as swiftly as possible from point A to point B.

00:52:59.900 Don't meander. Don't, you know, set your pressures out too far to where, you know, it could cause

00:53:07.180 cracking. You know, buy a steed that is lean. The idea there, again, is that a hungry horse,

00:53:16.880 a horse that has potential, a horse that is young and not fully of age. That's a horse that you can

00:53:25.120 train. That's a horse that you can teach. And that's a horse that you can build a relationship

00:53:29.220 with by feeding. So sometimes gain things in deficit. Drink close. Go over spances that are

00:53:43.340 unsure as swiftly and as cleanly as possible with things that are close to you. Your skates are

00:53:49.100 kind of an example of this is that utilizing what you have immediately to get from point A to point

00:53:54.040 B. Don't meander. Find a horse that's lean and build that relationship. Find a sword that's been

00:54:00.020 tested. Find a sword that has been, and I find this, the usage of the word tarnished.

00:54:07.800 I think that this kind of lends to the ideas is that, you know, especially back in the olden days

00:54:17.160 when iron was brittle, the idea was that you had a sword that could oftentimes only take so much

00:54:24.040 damage. And so a sword that was unused perhaps had a longer life than one that had been used

00:54:32.920 a lot, perhaps had been chipped, maybe cut, or re-honed, re-forged. Finding a sword that hadn't

00:54:40.880 had much use in it gave it a certain sense of having the ability to weather the unknown.

00:54:48.960 And so there's potential in it, in that sense of what they mean by tarnished. Because at home,

00:54:54.940 you can fatten the horse or build that relationship. At home, you can feed the hound

00:55:01.220 and build the relationship um but you start at a deficit you start at a closeness and work your

00:55:06.340 way out because i think ultimately the wisdom of 83. yeah i think there's a bunch of little

00:55:14.500 situational wisdom there that has a lot of different implications you know the bit about

00:55:20.240 the sword i think a lot of that has to do with know what you're looking for if you're looking

00:55:27.960 for a sword that's been tarnished it's a sword that's old that's been around that's seen some

00:55:33.060 stuff and and stood the test of time if you know the bright and shiny brand new sword may look

00:55:40.460 awesome but just like in the in the previous stanza you can't trust it till it's been through

00:55:46.720 some stuff it may break the first time you you pull it out of the scabbard if you find an older

00:55:52.840 weapon it's been there it's been through some stuff and it's you know stood up fast two or

00:55:57.880 three times probably gonna you know it's got a track record of standing up as opposed to something

00:56:03.300 that's untested but i also think there's a certain amount of wisdom and you know getting a lean horse

00:56:10.460 and feeding it at home feeding the dog at home being able to get something that starts out as

00:56:15.280 deficit and then you can build and provide that value yourself and win a certain amount of loyalty

00:56:23.780 by doing so and so i think you know some of that speaks a little bit to getting yourself a fixer up

00:56:29.360 right i think anybody that's ever you know found that car that needed a little love or that house

00:56:39.380 that needed a little love or something that was in that deficit it's seen days but you know

00:56:45.260 with a little work and elbow grease you can you know you can really build that something with it

00:56:51.500 that magic with it i think any person can really relate to that yeah and i mean you know to cut

00:57:01.500 right to the chase getting getting people who are are damaged or who you can build up or add

00:57:11.660 something significant to the relationship puts you in a good spot relationship wise if you're

00:57:19.180 able to get somebody that's maybe had a hard time and you're able to provide them a better

00:57:23.100 a better existence that wins you a certain amount of loyalty and a certain amount of

00:57:29.500 love and respect that you start out with you wouldn't normally start out with you know yeah

00:57:35.340 some hard times if you're able to take good care of them then then you know all the better

00:57:42.220 One of the things about the Havamala, the Maxims of Wisdom, is that it does make me truly interested in other maxims of wisdom, whether it's the Daode Ching or whether some people might be familiar with the book called the Hagekure, the Maxims of the Samurai.

00:57:58.020 uh this one too and what you just said is very similar to a maxim in which he uh speaks of he

00:58:04.920 says give me a samurai who has a defamation against his name because he will work twice

00:58:10.720 as hard to clear it rather than a young man who has no reputation and so that that that's something

00:58:18.340 to i mean even though it's such a kind of very flat and easy to read stanza there is a lot of

00:58:26.080 you know wisdom in it depending on which way you kind of that's that's what i truly love

00:58:31.840 about the have them all is it's there is so much value in there and it's done poetically and it's

00:58:40.320 done but it's done in such a nuanced way with so many layers to it that there's there's a lot to

00:58:48.640 digest and i really mean this um even if you've read it a bunch read it some more you know i don't

00:58:55.600 don't know if this is Fawn's experience it's certainly mine every time I read it I get more

00:59:00.880 out of it you know all four episodes that we've done so far and we're making you know slow progress

00:59:08.380 through it but every night that we do this I take something you know a little bit different away

00:59:13.460 from it than I did the first time I read it and that's true just on you're going to pick up new

00:59:18.260 stuff because it is so filled with with wisdom but it's also true reading it at different seasons of

00:59:24.500 your life when you have different experience under your belt makes it, you know, as the kids say

00:59:31.300 these days, makes it, makes it hit different than it did the first time you read it. Yes.

00:59:41.540 Sorry. I got to, I got to rap with the youth sometimes.

00:59:44.260 oh we are getting old

00:59:49.520 but it is true i have so for a lot of folks and i referencing back to our first uh night where we

00:59:59.300 were doing the have them all when i went to boot camp my mother printed out of really kind of not

01:00:05.920 that now that i'm finding out actually way later an odd translation um of a swede who had translated

01:00:13.640 it back in the 1800s. And I can't really find a lot of his translations now. She printed it out

01:00:20.880 for me. And I read it often. And I think throughout pretty much from the year 2000 on, even into,

01:00:29.560 I would say, again, it kind of lost from me in the 2015s to 2020s. I hadn't read it. And now I'm

01:00:38.240 reading it again. And it's like, oh, man, if I had just kept up with this throughout my life,

01:00:43.020 I guess the conundrum is, is that I've learned much from my mistakes. And again, I think this

01:00:49.020 is painted in the Halvamal that Lord Odin speaks from a point of, this was my mistake, don't do

01:00:55.500 this. And again, that instead of a commandment, it's kind of like a learn from my wisdom. But

01:01:01.320 again, the Halvamal is one of those poems that if you continually water it and continually go back

01:01:08.000 to it um you'll find wisdom that could have applied if you had perhaps just read that stanza

01:01:15.320 at this moment in your life you might have avoided so much headache and so it's like you have to kind

01:01:22.340 of keep on it in order to keep that fresh this goes out to sage of sylvania over on entropy one

01:01:31.560 of the very few people who are consuming this on entropy i did see your question or your i guess

01:01:37.640 series of a year three part question and we will absolutely get to it um after we're done dealing

01:01:44.840 with the with the uh i have them all stanzas but i just want to let you know that i did see the

01:01:49.880 question and we'll be getting to it yeah that's hold hold on folks when we get through we will

01:01:58.360 definitely hit all the questions at the end um this one is is an interesting one 84 is

01:02:07.160 one of those things where i think modern people try to kind of it to certain people who take

01:02:16.520 a certain sensitivity to these things um this stanza has a tendency to kind of give them the

01:02:23.720 about it but i will point out that this stanza does couple with another stanza a little further

01:02:29.960 down in the marking of emotional, I guess, emotional conquests or the attempts of conquests

01:02:46.480 that both men and women have. This one, of course, first follows with the woman. And

01:02:50.960 it's a note of wisdom, especially for young men who need to realize that, again, like

01:02:57.720 ice. They're, they're on shaky ground sometimes. Um, and this is, uh, in 84, um, a man shall

01:03:06.580 trust not the oath of a maid, nor the word a woman speaks for their hearts are, are on a whirling

01:03:14.180 wheel, uh, on, on a whirling wheel were fashioned and fickle, their breasts were formed.

01:03:20.360 And so what this really is talking about, I think, is that a man should be very reserved towards attempting to go all in or attempting to placate or achieve some sense of complete happiness in a woman.

01:03:46.280 because oftentimes women are not um that their their state of of desires can be fickle any man

01:03:58.380 can can see this I I find this a lot in um in my line of work now where you'll find um like during

01:04:06.260 the time of of um the pandemic uh so many uh young men and older men too were growing their

01:04:14.120 hair out. They weren't really going to, we were, you know, barbershops were shut down for almost

01:04:20.520 nine weeks and it was a, it was a dry time and not a fun time at all. But what ended up happening

01:04:26.460 is as, as people were coming back, I found some, some men saying, oh, you know, my, my wife or,

01:04:33.580 or my girlfriend loves the long hair. And, and the whole time I've known this man, he's had a,

01:04:38.380 you know, a short, clean shaven military style haircut. And suddenly it's like, it was like all

01:04:43.760 along, it was this way. And then after about a year or so, he, he comes in, he's like, I got to

01:04:50.840 cut it off, uh, maybe for work, but more often than not, it's like, oh, she's over it. She is

01:04:56.200 absolutely over it. She thinks I look like an underpass murderer. She thinks I look like a,

01:05:00.520 you know, a park stalker, like some sort of, you know, wilderness, uh, wilding. And so you find

01:05:07.820 kind of like the inclinations towards beards and no beards, towards hair, uh, towards styles.

01:05:15.060 Um, men often, and again, this is, this is something that is just true to nature is that

01:05:20.280 men are oftentimes trying to seek out a way to appease or, or to attract or to, uh, highlight

01:05:28.460 or lighten the, and, and grow the desire of a, of a loved one, a lady.

01:05:33.680 and oftentimes you'll see it spanning all kinds of spectrums to where men don't it's like what do

01:05:40.220 women want it's like half the women say this half the women say that some women say this some women

01:05:45.940 say that they want a beard but another woman says you look like you know a hobo you should have a

01:05:50.920 clean shaven face and then other women say they just prefer to have stubble and and so men oftentimes

01:05:55.580 I think, and especially young men, are confused as to what is it that they can do in order to

01:06:02.780 garner favor in perhaps a woman that they're seeking. And Lord Voden is saying,

01:06:09.500 you just have to be genuine. You can't go in there and expect the word of today to be the word of

01:06:16.220 tomorrow. Be yourself. Highlight all the good things about yourself that you offer. And if you

01:06:23.100 don't offer much work on cultivating to offer more and better but stay and maintain because

01:06:30.060 the masculine side of you is to maintain that that vertical what's more masculine than than

01:06:36.700 being who you are and saying this is who i am i i'm i i'm trying to improve myself for myself

01:06:43.180 and take me as you as i as i am um because you can't always be chasing the desires of others

01:06:50.540 especially if you're trying to, again, win the favor of a lady. And if you're a young man

01:06:55.100 attempting to do so, you're going to, you're going to be going back and forth. And I don't

01:06:59.520 think that that's, that's, uh, necessarily the best, uh, energy. You'll find someone who finds

01:07:06.700 you, um, desirable and acceptable. So long as you continue to work on the quality of yourself

01:07:13.860 over perhaps the, the inclinations of the person of the day, you know, especially if you're a

01:07:20.280 young man and you're not uh entitled uh or oath to a single person you're just kind of out there

01:07:26.440 um dating you know if you attempt it's like chasing cars you'll be a dog chasing cars all

01:07:33.420 day back and forth instead focus on your quality and you will find someone who finds you just right

01:07:40.740 Svon is very nice. Svon is a very nice fellow. Bad cop time. Women are scandalous. Women are scandalous and you can't trust anything that they say. Men, you know this. Women, if it makes you mad, it's because you know it too.

01:08:00.740 stereotypes for a reason we all have stereotypes that cut against us something that's really

01:08:10.680 important this doesn't mean that every single woman's advice is completely worth worthless of

01:08:16.680 course not there's a long tradition in our ancestors of specifically seeking out wise women

01:08:22.180 for advice often older women that are not in the dating scene though when you encounter women out

01:08:28.920 there, especially a young man out there, you know, this is good advice that I think we would all give

01:08:33.940 our sons, whether we're mothers or fathers. Don't trust them, girls. And it's a thing. And by all

01:08:43.420 means, it says earlier, you know, praise them once they're on the pyre, praise the maiden once she's

01:08:49.520 wed, praise them once they prove that they are trustworthy. But it is so very, so I'm going to

01:08:58.340 keep i'm gonna keep my language clean but it is very easy for guys to get um all turned around

01:09:05.200 especially when so when guys first get involved with women their first success with women in

01:09:15.780 general when they're first opening up to that and then in a really different way when they first

01:09:21.080 lose their virginity that first girl that they're just they will go all in head over heels and they

01:09:28.280 will wax in pride and not in wisdom. And I think we, you know, we've all been there. We'll all,

01:09:36.520 you know, may not. Monk's advice on the side, don't date strippers.

01:09:42.240 It's a thing. That's a thing. Sometimes precisely the qualities that will make a woman

01:09:56.740 particularly sexually appealing to young men are some of the same qualities that you know

01:10:04.660 make you really have to stop and question your life decisions um you know we've we i'm sure that

01:10:12.100 many of you are familiar with the hot crazy matrix like there is a there is a direct relationship

01:10:18.660 between hot and crazy and you've got it you've got to figure out like where on that spectrum you can

01:10:25.620 you can wind up. But that's a thing. I think that one of the important aspects of Ausitru is that

01:10:35.140 we keep it real. We don't believe in equality. We don't get all butthurt because somebody says

01:10:40.240 something true about us or about our group. Be that racial groups, be that genders, be that age,

01:10:47.660 be that, you know, stereotypes are that way for a reason. It's not worth getting butthurt over.

01:10:52.080 if you're a lady and you don't like that this is a standout feature of your sex then go out of your

01:10:58.580 way to make yourself the one that disproves it make yourself the one that you know that shows

01:11:05.480 how it can be done right and gentlemen when we get to parts about you know stuff we need to work on

01:11:11.300 you know own it but i think that honesty truth is one of our virtues and

01:11:16.980 And certainly when you're on the dating scene, be very cautious because women can be scandalous and they can absolutely break your heart, especially if you wear it on your sleeve and you throw it out there too early.

01:11:35.580 And I mean, shoot, I say that from experience.

01:11:39.480 And I think that most of us here have had those kind of experiences.

01:11:43.060 so i think it's it's it's wisdom and we all know that it's it's valuable wisdom

01:11:48.140 one thing that culturally when we talk about like you know how a father with a daughter

01:11:54.540 and he's like oh i know how these boys are blah blah blah that's very very common and i think

01:11:59.000 that's a trope that we are all familiar with but the one that we don't often talk about is the

01:12:03.280 mother who sees her son getting twisted up by a girl that's messing with his emotions

01:12:08.020 messing with his head they don't talk about that very often much that the there are mothers out

01:12:14.100 there who have certainly experienced it where they're like look at you you got your head all

01:12:18.120 twisted up this girl's got you on her on her finger she's just you know pulling you this way

01:12:22.640 and that and and you know this this scandalous little girl is twisting my boy up well so this

01:12:32.140 is this is a thing too and i'm glad that this was asked finn wraith says what about women that used

01:12:38.060 to do that sort of thing but don't anymore they claim they've changed so here's the thing they

01:12:44.700 all claim they've changed and they're not all wrong a lot of them are and i think that's the

01:12:51.420 same with guys that have had you know heavy indicators in their past that you should kind

01:12:58.060 of steer clear too. Some of them have, quite a bit of them haven't. This stuff, it's important.

01:13:10.380 Our law is really significant that way. Most of this is not an outright condemnation of behaviors.

01:13:16.700 It's advice. But what's just as important as the positively stated advice is the inverse.

01:13:24.860 you don't have to do any of these things the way that odin advises here but if you don't

01:13:32.920 be aware of the consequence and maybe you want to use that to your advantage that's the thing

01:13:39.120 know what you're getting into doesn't say you can't do these things but if you do them go in

01:13:44.560 with your eyes open go in with your wits about you go in with your head on a swivel and hopefully

01:13:51.000 it works out if you're that's the thing if you're willing to pay the cost if you're willing to

01:13:56.120 willing to gamble on it then by all means but what's really important and i think that

01:14:04.760 this is one of the the great lessons in also true and in i don't know being a man in general

01:14:11.720 don't just blindly stumble into stupid things if you calculate a risk and you still want to take

01:14:22.320 it by all means if you know what you're getting into and you that's what you want okay but don't

01:14:29.720 stumble into it because you didn't know any better go in with your eyes open and that's very much

01:14:34.620 with a lot of this advising. And you brought it up too about, in the question, you know,

01:14:43.020 women that claim they are not like that anymore. What we're talking about is that spectrum of age

01:14:48.700 because the usage of the word mayor, mayor or a maiden. So we're talking about youth. And I think

01:14:56.560 that that's one thing that is kind of lost. People will plant it with the idea of like woman or man.

01:15:02.540 But no, what we're talking about is young men and young women and kind of, again, that time, even our ancestors and Lord Odin is speaking about that time of great wisdom being learned through a lot of these kind of tumultuous times in our lives, whereas we're young.

01:15:23.920 and so as we do grow on speaking of that factoid for those who are listening that might not know

01:15:32.320 what greater work does the have them all come from

01:15:38.280 wait was that did you ask me that yes i did oh you mean overall the uh the the codex regis or

01:15:50.080 the adas okay and what does the adas translate to oh well the the the wisdom of the elder woman or

01:16:03.660 the so that's i'm putting this in context yes don't trust these scandalous girls out there

01:16:13.840 whatever but the entire focus of what's fun and i've been talking to you about for weeks

01:16:19.400 is encoded in books that are literally like wisdom from your grandma so it doesn't mean

01:16:27.860 don't heed the advice of any female at any stage in her life but be careful of the the young ladies

01:16:36.700 right and and and it's i i think that's worth noting again because it also portrays in the

01:16:45.520 other stanza in relation to to men it speaks of men but it's talking about young men it's talking

01:16:51.520 about young men with a specific desire and a specific intent and i think ultimately uh even

01:16:58.560 in our culture today we find i think that for the most of us we find ourselves settling down

01:17:04.880 in our later 20s that may not have been a thing you know a long time ago based on you know life

01:17:11.280 So as a mic drop on this and moving on to the next line, Githya Anna says,

01:17:19.360 your grandma wouldn't want you to date a hussy either.

01:17:24.480 Yes. Well said. Okay. Yeah. That is a mic drop. Okay. We'll move on from there now.

01:17:35.600 Yeah, 85. So 85 to 88 are actually, we're going to hit them one right after the other,

01:17:43.400 because in essence, this is one of the biggest parts of the Havamal, which has a succession

01:17:49.820 of points that are more or less to say in a kind of rhyming scheme of measure in the poem,

01:17:59.100 but ultimately reveal at the end of 88. So 85 to 88 can kind of be seen as a cluster with the

01:18:08.920 point of wisdom at the end of 88. So it's basically just a list of things and we'll go

01:18:16.960 through them very, very quickly. So in a breaking bow or a burning flame, in a ravening wolf or in

01:18:27.140 a croaking raven, in a grunting boar, a tree with roots broken, in billowy seas, or a bubbling

01:18:36.600 kettle. So in essence, as the verses are being spoken, it's laying the groundwork like

01:18:46.080 cobblestone, all of these things. So if we move to 86, we continue on. So again, we've

01:18:54.820 got the, the, the breaking bow. We've got the, the, the ravaging wolf. We've got the grunting

01:19:00.260 boar. Uh, 86 says, you know, in a flying arrow or falling waters, i.e. a waterfall in ice newly

01:19:10.780 formed or a serpent's folds. Again, the coiling of a serpent or me is the word used. And it means

01:19:18.420 the circles or twining of a serpent. In a bride's bed speech, or a broken sword.

01:19:28.140 In the sport of bears, the fighting of bears. Or in the sons of kings.

01:19:36.340 87. In a calf that is sick, or a stubborn thrall. And I wanted to get back to that one

01:19:44.920 in relation to the thrall of Threli.

01:19:48.460 A flattering witch or a foe newly slain.

01:19:53.220 That's an interesting one too.

01:19:55.960 In a brother's slayer,

01:19:58.520 if thou meet him abroad,

01:20:01.540 in a half-burned house,

01:20:04.960 in a horse full swift,

01:20:07.300 one leg is hurt and the horse is useless,

01:20:11.040 none had ever such faith as to trust in them all.

01:20:14.920 that's the final line. No one should have any faith in any of those things that were stated

01:20:20.660 and put full trust in them. So with that being said, again, I think it's good to look back at

01:20:27.940 them and kind of understand what's poetically being said. I find there's some spookiness to

01:20:39.100 some of them, but, um, you know, like in the, in the serpent's folds, like, don't, you never put

01:20:44.360 your hand out on a serpent that's coiled. You know, um, if you see bears fighting amongst each

01:20:51.640 other, never take to think that you can just stand there and watch because they could easily turn on

01:20:56.700 you. Anybody that knows that or has ever been out in the wilds, and I'm sure you have, as are you're

01:21:01.240 living in Alaska, the idea of, you know, bears being preoccupied and then the next minute they're

01:21:06.500 occupied with you. You know, you don't take into full confidence any of these situations

01:21:13.200 because they all have an air of clear and present danger. And that's what 85 to 88, but I really,

01:21:23.160 87 is such an interesting one, the flattering of a witch and a foe newly slain. And I think that

01:21:29.380 that is not talking about, say, perhaps a Draugr or an undead. I think what they're talking about

01:21:37.180 is, you know, when you slay a foe. I know that, for instance, in the military, when we talked

01:21:43.280 about the idea of conquest of an area, the thing that you did is you never, ever rested on your

01:21:51.500 laurels after conquesting an enemy. In actuality, you had to immediately prepare for a counterattack.

01:21:58.920 so anytime why is that why is that Svon say again why is that Svon immediately preparing

01:22:07.100 for a counter-attack because again what's the name of the broadcast

01:22:11.320 victory never sleeps that's what I'm saying yes and and again it it talks about that because that

01:22:20.040 that motion that doing any huge wefts in in weird that cause a great amount of

01:22:29.160 repercussional energy require you not to stand on your laurels but to immediately prepare for the

01:22:36.280 reaction and so i think that that ultimately is what that's saying of a of a newly slain slain

01:22:42.360 foe is that you now have created a situation in which you cannot just you know strut and say

01:22:50.040 I win, I'm the best, in reality, you have now committed your life down a path that, you know,

01:22:58.460 there are others who may seek to retaliate against you almost immediately. And so don't

01:23:04.560 rest on your laurels. Don't ever commit to the idea that any of these moments are

01:23:09.740 solely going to end up the way you perceive them to end up. Again, the bending of a bow,

01:23:19.320 I thought was an interesting one too, because the idea is that when you pull a bow, you in your mind

01:23:24.860 think I'm going to release the string and the arrow is going to go. But every time you pull

01:23:29.060 that bow, you should think, what if this is going to break? How is this going to turn? So never fully

01:23:35.800 just committing to the idea that I do this and this is going to happen. You know, these bears,

01:23:42.760 they're preoccupied with themselves. They're never going to turn on me either. And then all of a

01:23:49.300 It is about don't let your wisdom wane while your confidence waxes in anything.

01:24:00.080 Keep your hands up, keep your head on a swivel, be prepared and steady, and stay moving.

01:24:06.360 That's such an important theme in our faith.

01:24:10.780 the sun and the moon are perpetually moving because the second they stop they'll be devoured

01:24:19.880 by wolves entropy is our biggest foe it's when chaos sets in it's when you start to lose

01:24:27.780 keep moving forward but all of these things are poetic ways to tell you like no keep your head

01:24:39.180 about you especially when you're dealing with women it may not seem like it but dealing with

01:24:45.900 a woman is just as dangerous potentially as all these other life-threatening perils that you face

01:24:52.860 out in the world that common sense tells you of course you don't trust those things

01:24:58.780 but common sense fails very often when there's a woman showing you some attention

01:25:04.220 Yeah, the words of a woman and the brother slayer, I think also kind of lend towards the culture of the time, too.

01:25:17.200 I think that it was very common for menfolk to, again, perhaps be wooed or seek the approval of a woman without realizing perhaps the enemies he made is her brothers or her father or her uncles or some of the menfolk of the time, you know, not understanding the full repercussions and how far things spread.

01:25:41.900 So that and in a brother slayer, if thou meet him abroad, away from the laws and the rules of the courts, if you meet your enemy, if you meet the slayer of your brother, he is more than likely going to be more or worse abroad when there is no presence of law.

01:26:02.920 there's no presence of repercussion if he has the ability to be treacherous he will take that route

01:26:09.880 because he's already proven it by slaying your brother it's just now yes guys heed this because

01:26:18.200 it goes to all level of things um yeah maybe they're just you know using you and having

01:26:26.280 fun and the next guy that comes around that you know has more social credit than you they're

01:26:31.320 going to drop you for that's certainly one of the dangers but in general you know you're you're out

01:26:38.760 in a new place you know country boy in the big city and you know some girl talks nice to you and

01:26:44.360 says hey come over here we can talk alone and next thing you know you're getting robbed um

01:26:50.680 those things happen or you know we get lonely guys that get online and try to

01:26:56.920 you know try to meet someone maybe try to meet um someone at a distance hey well i need money for

01:27:03.560 this hey i need money for that hey can you you know send me some money and i'll get a plane ticket

01:27:08.040 and then i'll come and we can be together and then next thing you know you don't hear from him again

01:27:13.000 and uh and you got had and there's a lot of that and preying on

01:27:17.880 men's weakness for the attention of women is one of the most surefire ways to take advantage of a

01:27:27.940 man is if you can find a female accomplice to get them to let their guard down men that would

01:27:35.300 normally be very shrewd make terrible mistakes and i think we've all been there more than we

01:27:43.120 would like to admit.

01:27:48.520 I think the intricacies of weird

01:27:50.940 and the intricacies of living,

01:27:53.260 one of the big things about all of these stanzas

01:27:55.540 is that the gods do not alleviate us from peril.

01:27:59.800 A lot of folks, perhaps maybe if they were growing up Christian,

01:28:03.020 they would think that any woe that befell them

01:28:07.600 was some sort of a test or in an unknown plan.

01:28:11.360 Um, and that only good things can come, um, you know, from being faithful.

01:28:19.080 Well, in Alistair, the idea is that the, the, the cultivation of piety towards the gods

01:28:24.660 is an internal, um, fortification.

01:28:28.660 It's, it's an ability for us to weather things that the gods are clearly saying they cannot,

01:28:33.540 well, not, and really should not alleviate us from.

01:28:36.560 And that is the perils of the world.

01:28:38.220 We have to learn.

01:28:39.480 We have to grow.

01:28:40.340 We can have a stronger stance when we are pious, when we are faithful, and when we are contemplating the wisdoms of the gods and living with a relationship with them, but it does not alleviate us from peril.

01:28:55.260 And we know that. We don't think that that's the God's job is to somehow, you know, obfuscate or not even obfuscate, eliminate dangers and calamity.

01:29:11.620 We will face those things. And we know that. And it's not always the gods aren't in the

01:29:18.900 machinations of all that is entirely bad or good. Much of it can be done by us cultivating our

01:29:25.300 internal self and then acting accordingly in noble and in honorable sense with wisdom,

01:29:30.680 letting our wisdom wax with our confidence. But none of it is ever fully just, you know,

01:29:37.900 if you believe in the gods, you're never going to be faced with woes. No. In actuality, the world

01:29:44.940 and what tests a warrior, what tests the soul, the might of our folk is understanding that, yes,

01:29:50.880 we will have good times, but we will have bad times as well. And it's not their place to

01:29:58.960 alleviate you as an individual, one singular person in the grand scheme of all the folk that

01:30:05.860 they are kind of watching over you're going to experience woe and wheel and so you should you know

01:30:16.340 be aware of that the that wisdom that you have is what's really going to get you through it

01:30:21.380 and the gods are kind of gleaning and showing ways to attain that but they don't just

01:30:27.220 i mean you it's not it's never just a plug in and and immediately understand you're gonna have to

01:30:32.740 learn. All right. Uh, 89. Yeah. 89 kind of, um, states this again, hope not too surely for early

01:30:45.680 harvest, nor trust too soon in thy son. The fields need good weather. The sun needs wisdom

01:30:53.740 and oft is either denied. I love this stanza because it is really good. It's very well written

01:31:02.160 that the way bellows wrote it is it's basically stating that you cannot again place too much in

01:31:10.960 the idea of the notion that the things that you're working towards are going to always pan out

01:31:16.480 and the the people that you invest in are going to always come out perfect in reality it takes a lot

01:31:23.680 of work it takes a long amount of work and it takes work over great amount of time and that's

01:31:31.200 only with the idea that you may get 75 percent of what you're going for

01:31:38.560 there's always something and there's there are things that are constantly

01:31:42.880 again moving with and against us as we create our deeds in the world and weave

01:31:48.640 the weird of the world around us and that requires patience it requires us to really prioritize

01:31:55.920 our our deeds and our actions in order to gain a modicum of what we want as opposed to what we

01:32:05.160 may get and i think this is is really good nor trust too much in thy son because the fields need

01:32:11.840 good weather and or there are factors that are out of your control and a son needs wisdom and

01:32:17.760 often they are both denied good weather and good wisdom you know if you if you think to perhaps

01:32:24.140 other families and and see calamities that might befall them through their children and it

01:32:29.680 you know it may from an outsider's perspective you might see things that that perhaps they don't see

01:32:36.300 living their lives but you know they get embroiled in something and they neglect this time in their

01:32:43.200 child's life and that child ends up kind of running off and you know seeking guidance from

01:32:49.400 other people or, or his friends instead of, you know, listening to his father or his, or his

01:32:54.140 brothers or his mother, you know, that this 89 is, is one that I think about a lot, especially now

01:33:04.360 as a, as a father, it really does. Am I, am I giving enough? And ultimately at what, what point

01:33:13.220 do I have to understand that there are certain things out of my control that I cannot helicopter

01:33:18.580 over my kids. Not that I do. I'm just saying, I don't think any parent, uh, wants their kid

01:33:25.060 to be neglected or out in the cold, but you have to understand that there are certain things that

01:33:30.680 you're, that are unaccounted for. You, you don't have control over, so you really have to focus

01:33:35.960 on what you can control. You can control the work that you put in the field. You control the water

01:33:40.980 that you can, you can maintain, but there are certain factors in the world that are simply

01:33:45.560 going to shape, uh, the child or shape the field, um, that you have to work with. You have to work

01:33:53.900 through. It's never, it's never just fully, the gods are not going to give you, you know, lands

01:34:02.180 of milk and honey because you follow the covenants that, that, that is a false notion. And I think

01:34:09.820 that most anybody with any modicum of wisdom knows that that's one of the the very big differences

01:34:20.000 and the only reason i bring it up is because so many of us are

01:34:27.420 so many of us have um the social context of a certain amount of christianity in our culture

01:34:38.580 in our family, maybe in our own past, one of the really important distinctions to realize

01:34:45.420 is that being a key difference. The entire way that faith is set up is that you are saved

01:34:54.240 by faith alone and not by works that none should boast. That principle is, no, let Jesus take the

01:35:04.480 wheel so that you have nothing to brag about all your success is because of the grace of their god

01:35:12.800 that's very very different than our faith our gods want you to have deeds worthy of boasting

01:35:20.740 they want you to be the hero it's not blessed are the losers it's blessed are the winners

01:35:27.440 and in order for you to do that you have to have your own agency you have to be able to carve out

01:35:34.460 your own victories in the world and be responsible for your own success you are absolutely i saved is

01:35:43.980 i think the wrong word but you are exalted through works through deeds and not just by faith

01:35:52.940 yes being faithful is part of living a noble life but doing good deeds and being a responsible

01:35:58.940 person who has agency and responsibility and decisions that they make that's what builds

01:36:06.060 that's what our gods want from us is to get as close to being that hero as we can be

01:36:13.900 i wanted to bring up on 87 there is a manuscript if some of the people are following on the website

01:36:21.420 uh the stanza 87 uh is incomplete and some editors have lat added later paper manuscript

01:36:28.860 two lines so 87 would read as thus in a calf that is sick or a stubborn thrall a flattering witch

01:36:37.100 or a foe newly slain in a light clear sky or a laughing throng in the bowl of a dog or a harlot's

01:36:45.500 grief and i wanted to one thing about the thrall and the idea of of our ancestors had slaves i

01:36:53.340 I think most any culture has always had slaves and a thrall being stubborn.

01:36:59.560 It's worth noting in the idea that oftentimes the slaves of our ancestors were sometimes war won through conflict.

01:37:09.960 Sometimes they were at least perhaps prizes of war from someone else and they saw an opportunity to market this situation.

01:37:19.560 And I'm not trying to go into the context of slavery in modern times versus the past.

01:37:26.420 It's just knowing that thralls of our ancestors had a great amount of power.

01:37:33.120 Sometimes they were given responsibilities over a great many things and could earn their freedoms depending on the situation in which they lived,

01:37:41.100 whether they were in Iceland or Norway, or whether they perhaps were from countries where the

01:37:46.560 languages were similar, like Nordic countries, and then perhaps where they might have had language

01:37:51.860 differences that were so great, it was very hard for them to ever gain any sort of homogeny amongst

01:37:59.740 the community. And you would see this with like Gaelic speaking or with Slavic speaking people

01:38:06.880 that were, you know, caught up in, in the, the situations that were as far as kingdoms and, and

01:38:14.320 enthralled them. But I like too, that it says like in a, in the light of a clear sky, again,

01:38:21.440 what they're ultimately saying is, is that you, you can't just take for granted the things you

01:38:28.520 have and assume you're always going to have them. Nothing is ever in a state of permanency is what

01:38:33.980 think ultimately these stanzas are also saying everything that's being talked about is being

01:38:38.940 talked about with the idea that there is no state of permanency that you can rely on that the world

01:38:44.060 is always in a ebb and flow and that you have to work hard to project for and against the you know

01:38:52.940 what finding when the flow goes with you and working when the flow goes against you in all

01:38:57.420 things uh the laughing throng you know again people would that's a perfect example of you

01:39:03.260 you know, not everybody that laughs, you know, laughs with you is, or not everybody that laughs

01:39:08.760 is laughing with you. That I think is, is what the laughing throng is, is that oftentimes,

01:39:14.520 you know, they're laughing at you. They're laughing at perhaps your foolishness or,

01:39:19.100 or your deeds that, that warrant laughing. And so you shouldn't take into the idea that everybody

01:39:24.480 laughing is laughing with you. Um, in the bowl of a dog too, is another one is, is, and you have a,

01:39:30.700 loyal hound, but don't go sticking your hand in the food bowl. You might get bit. No matter how

01:39:38.260 much that hound loves you, you're testing things. You're thinking too greatly in that it will always

01:39:47.700 be one way and that you shouldn't. So let's, let's move on to, uh, 90. I just, uh, saw two

01:40:00.280 that I was here ago. They was, um, getting a screen break real quick. So let's move to 90.

01:40:07.520 Um, as, as of course, we've went through 85 to 88 and, um, and then of course, 89,

01:40:16.840 very well written but 90 the love of a woman fickle of will is like staring starting over ice

01:40:24.060 with a steed that is unshod a two-year-old restive and little tamed or steering a rudderless ship in

01:40:32.780 a storm or lame hunting reindeer on slippery rocks it couldn't be any more clear that this

01:40:40.740 is simply stating the idea is that there is very little foundation. There is very little security

01:40:49.060 in things like winning the love of a woman, especially when you're young.

01:40:55.920 It could be a fickle time starting over ice with a horse that has no shoes.

01:41:02.120 you know it's it this is a rudderless ship it these are things that again there is no foundation

01:41:11.340 in it and you should not expect a foundation in it you should have the wisdom of understanding

01:41:15.800 that at a moment's notice things could turn in a different direction and you should never

01:41:21.440 say to yourself that it's simply oh it's all gonna work out everything's gonna be fine

01:41:27.120 that's a that's a fool's errand in essence you should only trust on what you have

01:41:32.400 and what you can control and account that there are certain things out of your control in certain

01:41:37.660 situations that are from the get-go unfoundational and you should move with caution move slowly

01:41:43.260 and move with a sense of steadiness don't rush headlong in and again i think this is

01:41:50.880 overemphasized again and again in the maxims of love. Don't rush in. Don't go head over heels.

01:41:57.180 Don't bank on foundation. You should always go with caution, always go with wisdom.

01:42:05.020 So let's see, uh, moving from, uh, 90,

01:42:12.860 91.

01:42:16.600 So this is where it begins to, there's an edition of, in the poem, the speaker, and being Lord Vothin, or being the Thuler, the poet, that is speaking, there starts to begin a sprinkling of context of speaker.

01:42:41.600 and you'll see it here in reference to the idea that it's like I was this way and I shouldn't

01:42:49.780 have been this way or I am I am soberly speaking now but could not state that I was always that

01:42:55.680 way again there's context to the wisdom coming from the idea is not a commandment but yet more

01:43:02.040 a I have experience so let me teach you through context of what I have learned so in 91 clear

01:43:10.940 now will I speak for I know them both men false to women are found when fairest we speak then

01:43:19.960 falsest we think against wisdom we work with deceit so 91 is that stanza I was talking about

01:43:27.100 that kind of counterbalances the idea of women's hearts being fickle and on on the uh the uh

01:43:34.320 whirling wheel again in reference to perhaps you know it's not mentioned but it is some people

01:43:40.820 added into their translations, the whirling wheel of clay or a clay wheel. And in this

01:43:47.300 sense, it's clearly stating that men who have the desire to attain something,

01:43:53.920 they are not always forthcoming with what they're trying to attain and will often say whatever it

01:43:59.900 takes to get what they want. So here, I think it's this kind of counterbalances that earlier

01:44:08.800 stanza. And this is now in reference to men. Men are false to women. And when they speak fair,

01:44:14.700 they often speak false. Against wisdom, we work with deceit. And I think that is another key

01:44:23.260 point to that line is that it would be far wiser to speak the truth and speak with intent, speak

01:44:30.240 with closeness and intimacy towards the person. But instead, what we do is we oftentimes fill

01:44:36.620 with flattery and fill with false notions in order to gain what we wish, but it ends up causing far

01:44:44.120 worse problems. I'm sure many of us have had situations where we were young and we spoke

01:44:50.460 about what we wanted and we spoke flowery words. And then three days later, it falls short or it

01:44:58.260 breaks apart and then it causes great amount of venom. And that deceit, instead of erring with

01:45:05.680 wisdom brings on a whole slew of problems. And I think 91 is clearly, you know, speaking in

01:45:15.760 reference to the idea that you should be aware that when you do such things as speaking false

01:45:21.720 words, when you choose to go for what you want versus perhaps what is best for all, and you only

01:45:28.340 care about your own intentions, you're going to be planting seeds for the succession of

01:45:36.520 more things to come at you that cause more problems and cause more woe. So if you wish

01:45:42.840 to avoid that, err on the side of wisdom. Let's see. So we're moving to 92.

01:45:58.340 So, soft words shall he speak, and wealth shall he offer, who longs for a maiden's love, and the beauty prays of a maiden bright, he wins whose wooing is best.

01:46:17.900 so in i i think this is again speaking of the the the maxims of lovers is that lord

01:46:28.800 is speaking here about the idea that it is best to speak if you are trying to attain the love

01:46:36.820 of a lady wooing with words of softness. Again, the cultural context is that we do understand

01:46:51.700 that we are different, that men and women are different, and that it is softer words,

01:46:59.960 kinder words, wooing words that gain us the ability to perhaps get closer and more intimate

01:47:09.420 and learn more about a woman that we're pursuing. But there is another aspect too. And I like this

01:47:14.940 part is, and wealth shall he offer. What this really is talking about is, again, stability.

01:47:20.780 A man should, and I think within our culture, it's very understood that a man should not be

01:47:27.580 a louse a man shouldn't be someone who offers nothing who has attained nothing for himself

01:47:34.700 and so the context of your of your wealth is really about how much you do work towards

01:47:41.660 bettering your life bettering your living situation you're not some guy living in

01:47:46.940 mom's basement you're not some guy living you know in an empty apartment you know solely

01:47:54.140 with you know just a a lawn chair or a camping chair and and a tv you are working towards

01:48:03.260 improving your life you're showing that you have the ability to provide and that is really what

01:48:10.220 this is about is that you are you can be a strong man and a harsh man you could be a man that knows

01:48:16.780 what he wants and knows what he needs to get you can enter enter into the world with confidence

01:48:22.300 But when you speak to women, you should speak with a sense of, the word is actually, more translates not to soft, but to fair words. Fair words being words that are, you know, again, not so blatant or harsh, and that you should show that you have wealth and an ability to provide.

01:48:45.340 These are things that women are looking for and that men should strive to attain.

01:48:51.040 And that, you know, if you are a, what do they call it?

01:48:55.800 A coal chewer, I believe is the word that it was kind of translated to, or a fire born

01:49:02.560 when you're sitting close to the home fire is the equivalency of like, you never leave

01:49:08.740 the comfort of your home.

01:49:09.860 You're in mom's basement or you're in the basement or you're, you know, that kind of

01:49:14.000 modern context of usage of it. And instead what you should be doing is, is, um, you know,

01:49:21.260 attempting to gain security and wealth in your job, in your, in your focus towards things. And

01:49:28.420 I think that that is, uh, another modern thing that we neglect to talk about. Women are attracted

01:49:35.660 to men who are focused and devoted to something. And I'm not saying that you need to be devoted to

01:49:42.820 like just strictly wealth or, or money, but the idea of security, the idea of again, upward

01:49:50.300 mobility and movement of, of the Fay who in your life, the, the, the Fayo or the Fay in your life

01:49:57.240 is flowing. You're, you have a job, you're working towards goals. You you're a person, a man with

01:50:03.740 focus. This is what attracts. And, and this is what women are looking for. And I think that

01:50:09.360 that's okay. It's okay to do that. And when, you know, if a man, you know, finds a woman who is,

01:50:15.860 you know, not doing the same thing, she's not perhaps focusing on creating stability in her

01:50:23.520 life. You know, we oftentimes find men and women, young men and women, um, simply attracted to

01:50:29.440 people on the, on the upfront. And then when they get into their life, you know, they're,

01:50:33.260 a mess. Their house is a mess. Their rooms are a mess. Their drive to do anything with their jobs

01:50:43.160 and with the mobility of their wealth is inert. And more often than not, as I think as I've grown

01:50:50.620 older, perhaps I didn't see it so much when I was younger, but looking back now and seeing young men

01:50:55.100 um and young women interacting with each other you you see that the success of of young people

01:51:02.600 is based on their motivations their drives what they're trying to do seeking stability in their

01:51:08.300 life and calm or seeking you know uh planning projecting manifesting will and and creating a

01:51:17.680 better life for themselves and ultimately with the thought of creating a better life for a future

01:51:23.900 family. This is the best wooing is proof in the pudding. Let's just put it that way for 92.

01:51:41.080 Yeah. Michael just said to the fact that you have to state this to men today

01:51:46.740 is a fair assessment of the state of the world and its morals today. Yeah, that's true. I mean,

01:51:53.040 when we look at this, but again, the interesting part of this, this is the, this is the, how of

01:51:58.640 them all, this is, this is a problem that we've had to deal with for a very long time. So I don't

01:52:05.660 think it's good for us to get this doom mindset that it's only strictly now. There are new threats.

01:52:13.160 There are new things, again, new, like they spoke of, like Laura Othen spoke of before,

01:52:18.080 there are new things that the field has to weather, things outside of your control. There

01:52:23.500 are things that can very easily draw our children into a world of complacency, in a world of false

01:52:30.260 notions. They get wrong ideas. They get fed ideas that are completely ridiculous and oftentimes

01:52:38.520 erroneous. But these are problems too that I think our ancestors also dealt with, and we should take

01:52:44.480 solace in that and know that wisdom can prevail. It prevailed then, it can prevail now. And we

01:52:50.900 ultimately, again, we're trying to get that 75% of the ultimate of what we want. You might not get

01:52:57.720 that 100%. But, you know, it's, I was joking with Alex Hiraguthi about it. It's like, you know,

01:53:04.900 this, these, these, these Tates and these kind of masculine internet personalities that men are

01:53:13.120 kind of flocking to. And it's really, they're, they're, they are selling and making money off

01:53:19.880 of common wisdom that perhaps fathers, brothers, uncles, grandmothers, mothers, you know, elders in

01:53:29.820 our, in our community should be enlightening our children with. And I think one of the biggest

01:53:35.160 problems is, is with wisdom, wherever it comes from, it's sometimes hard to accept it when it

01:53:41.980 comes from our families nowadays. We are so virulently independent that it's to a fault

01:53:47.920 that we become foolish and unwise. When we don't look to the wisdom of the gods, when we don't look

01:53:53.700 to the wisdom of our church, when we don't look to the wisdom of our families, we don't look to

01:53:57.320 the wisdom of our friends who are successful, and we turn to, you know, what's readily available on

01:54:03.840 our phone with some internet talking head, just kind of pay me and I'll show you how to be a,

01:54:09.580 you know, a millionaire, um, we end up, that's where I think we get a great disconnect that we

01:54:14.680 should, we should. So I don't know, let's, let's, uh, let's keep moving forward. And I know because

01:54:25.520 we have so many stanzas and we have been moving relatively slowly, uh, you know, but the maxims

01:54:32.640 love are again kind of re-emphasizing the points um this one i really do like because this kind of

01:54:41.360 again there's another air of wisdom that we've probably heard in a different way but

01:54:45.600 let's in this one here 93 fault for loving let no man find ever with another

01:54:53.360 off the wise are fettered where fools go free by beauty that breeds desire

01:54:58.640 And this is often the best way to say this is you can throw very little discourse at what drives people to love each other.

01:55:16.000 um what is good for some is not good for others and often again you will find that wise men are

01:55:24.420 fettered by their love of or their infatuation for someone who's who is beautiful while fools

01:55:31.600 are unaffected by such things um by beauty that breeds desire this is really again when you find

01:55:39.000 that um you meet a wise person or somebody you take a high value in their word and they suddenly

01:55:46.980 get twisted up in some uh wooing desire for someone and it's like they are completely

01:55:53.800 smitten to the point where they're no longer wise and so that what ultimately 93 is is talking about

01:56:00.000 is is that love is love is a fickle thing and you will find even wise people can can quickly get

01:56:06.760 wrapped up in the delusion, um, where sometimes, you know, dullards are, are, are unaware people,

01:56:15.480 people who we would consider as being, you know, it's like, that guy's not too bright,

01:56:20.200 but yet he's unaffected by the, uh, you know, the, the wooings and the, the, the machinations

01:56:27.800 of someone who may be trying to manipulate other people. And oftentimes you find wise people

01:56:32.060 are easily manipulated by things that they desire especially I think you find that a lot with with

01:56:38.540 people who perhaps when they were younger they had a lot of personal issues with themselves

01:56:44.960 and they don't realize that all things are are transient and all things have a kind of an ebb

01:56:50.360 and flow in our lives and um and so then they do grow into being a very handsome or beautiful

01:56:56.240 person, but they're always still kind of that vulnerable person. And so, you know, they remember

01:57:06.920 themselves at their worst of times. And so then they enact or they hold on to someone who, you

01:57:15.060 know, feeds into their insecurities that way, almost to the point where it's an addiction. I

01:57:19.260 know many of us have probably seen this with men and women who seem to go back towards abusive

01:57:25.520 of relationships because that relationship is somehow moving through who they are now to perhaps

01:57:32.680 a person they were a long time ago. And that person is filled with deep, you know, either

01:57:40.480 traumas or perhaps, you know, lacking in great, you know, amounts of confidence or experienced

01:57:49.320 things in which they felt powerless or absolutely just not who they wanted to be. And they find

01:57:56.860 that these abusive relationships ends up kind of feeding into those times, even though now

01:58:01.420 maybe they're successful. They're beautiful. They don't even look like the goofy kid that they were

01:58:07.420 in high school, but they're still in that mentality of that time. And so I think this is really

01:58:14.940 stating that you can't place a lot of derision on people because the heart is such a strong

01:58:24.040 and palpable thing that guides wise people into ruin and, you know, sometimes leaves

01:58:31.820 the unaffected, the close-eyed or close-minded or highly focused person that, you know, doesn't

01:58:44.280 even realize what's going on. They're just focused on simple things. And so oftentimes you might

01:58:49.980 consider them unwise, but in certain situations, they're in the best of situations. And the wise

01:58:55.420 people are often the ones that are getting emotionally pulled. And that's another thing.

01:59:01.780 We see that a lot in people that are convinced that they're extremely educated, but yet can be

01:59:06.040 easily swayed by an emotional argument. They had absolutely no, you know, uh, contest of, of

01:59:12.360 critical thought. Instead, they're immediately wooed into, um, these kind of false arguments

01:59:21.180 based off of emotion alone. We see that all the time. So, you know, be wary of that. Wise people

01:59:29.020 can still be swayed, um, by their emotions and by their heartstrings. Whereas, um, again,

01:59:39.800 people that are driven and people that might be just focusing on what they got in their hands

01:59:43.340 and what they're doing every day, these people are unperturbed by a lot of the, uh, emotional,

01:59:49.440 um, you know, screechings and gnashing of teeth that a lot of people like to throw at other

01:59:55.920 people, especially on the internet these days. So let's see. Just making sure. Am I mute? Am I

02:00:14.220 muted? Or is that on your side, Nick? Okay. Okay. Aren't we all sometimes? So let's, let's move

02:00:32.560 into, uh, 94 or, uh, excuse me. Um, yes. And 94 reemphasizes again, exactly what 93 is. Fault

02:00:42.160 with another, let no man find. For what touches many a man, wise men often into witless fools are

02:00:48.680 made by mighty love. And I think this is also prevalent when we talk about mentorship.

02:00:56.860 When we meet people of great renown and wisdom that mentor us, be aware that they are not free

02:01:06.720 of faults and be aware that even though they may be wise and they may be very successful,

02:01:12.880 they can be pulled into ways of the fool. I think we see this a lot in the relationships

02:01:23.000 where you'll see a man who has a loving wife and wonderful children and a good house. And he,

02:01:31.580 for some reason just trounces all of that. And I'm not saying that every person is like that,

02:01:43.180 but I think anybody could easily think of perhaps a case that's very similar in our lives where

02:01:48.500 we've seen this. And there is nothing more foul than the wisdom that is lost in that,

02:01:55.400 that somebody is willing to throw away so much work and good things in the whim of a moment.

02:02:03.360 And those people you should avoid, I think. If you find a mentor, excuse me, if you find a mentor

02:02:10.600 who then one day shows that side of themselves where you see them being easily swayed by money

02:02:17.360 or gambling or, um, the, the whims of, of, of an affair or, or, or love. Um, you it's, I'm not

02:02:25.700 saying that all of their wisdom is not, but what I am saying is, is that again, you, you start

02:02:31.060 seeing that the foundations of that person are not fully secure, but ultimately these are saying

02:02:39.340 too, is that you have to understand that, uh, people, no matter how great you build them up

02:02:47.000 are all prone to these faults and you know having the ability to speak to them and tell them like

02:02:53.240 no you're a wise person you should know that this isn't the way to go um is important i think in the

02:02:59.560 long run it's worth stating that to build a better relationship with that person but you can't

02:03:07.160 assume that even the wisest of people are free from the inadequacies that maybe they once dealt

02:03:13.720 with when they were younger or that they've met someone who is feeding into the insecurities that

02:03:19.000 you don't get to see because you see all of the wise things and all of the good things everybody's

02:03:24.720 got these these things deep down inside all of us have it and we have to be aware that they're there

02:03:30.500 and that you can't just you know assume that anyone is just free of faults and oftentimes

02:03:35.920 It is in the form of emotional, you know, milstroms that fall on these normal, wise, sturdy, strong seeming people.

02:03:47.800 So always with an air of understanding that no one is ever fully the primogen of what you may think they are and that you should take care to that and understand that that's the case.

02:04:03.420 and you yourself should have the wisdom and hopefully you have the wisdom to see that

02:04:09.880 whenever you get into those situations oh whoa whoa whoa wait a minute I am now being led around

02:04:14.820 by the nose because I I feel a certain way or I want a certain thing why am I doing that is it

02:04:21.080 because of insecurities that no one else can see maybe that's why they think I'm I'm all over the

02:04:25.660 place. I remember seeing this a lot in the early days of the internet, when you would see people

02:04:33.860 kind of wearing their emotions on their sleeves or cryptically writing things, you'd find a person

02:04:38.640 who seems perfectly normal and a really wise person, a good person, a successful person.

02:04:45.520 Then all of a sudden they're writing these kind of cryptic things or posting odd things on social

02:04:51.480 media and you're wondering like what the heck is going on these people are again are still dealing

02:04:56.680 with issues um and perhaps we all are and that you should have the wisdom to understand that

02:05:03.640 ride those out maybe allow them a certain air of room to make those mistakes or at least give

02:05:11.640 your opinion and realize that you might just have to hunker down and let this person experience

02:05:16.040 something in their life. Because more often than not, if you stick with them, they will turn back

02:05:21.280 and say, I made a big mistake. I was not thinking correctly. I was being a fool and I treated you

02:05:29.020 wrong or I treated my friends wrong or treated my family wrong. And I really wish I could go back.

02:05:34.540 And if you have that wisdom to see that they have the capability of having faults, then they in turn

02:05:40.520 also have the capability of mending those faults or mending the results of those faults later on

02:05:46.640 and it's not so black and white it's not just like oh you you screwed up during that time and

02:05:51.660 i'm never going to be your friend again this is kind of again these these verses are are bringing

02:05:56.820 about that air of understanding that none of us are free of faults and that we should

02:06:02.020 weather things uh with an understanding that we all are working through um our our foolishness

02:06:11.460 oftentimes our our desires are are quick to go into unfoundational things or throw all in or

02:06:19.040 you got to work

02:06:21.460 you know, even they too are going to go through times again, multiple times through their lives.

02:06:34.680 And friendships can be born out of understanding that they have faults.

02:06:38.800 95 is a truly beautiful stanza again it's just re-emphasizing that again people have faults

02:06:56.520 and their emotions are oftentimes can be their undoing but it's written so beautifully

02:07:01.460 the head alone knows what dwells near the heart a man knows his mind alone no sickness is worse

02:07:11.220 to one who is wise than to lack the longed for joy

02:07:16.300 and i think this one is again um i've always been deeply interested in um

02:07:27.920 uh criminal psychology and the idea that he's seeing the motivations of people doing terrible

02:07:38.440 things just absolutely horrible things to loved ones and to people that don't really deserve it

02:07:43.900 and you always end up asking yourself why why would they do such a thing and more often than

02:07:49.140 not it's that the the worst

02:07:51.860 a lot of people are walking around with deep wounds that they're still trying to

02:08:02.380 placate or mend. Some of them have not fixed it. And so you should always have the wherewithal and

02:08:12.440 the wisdom to know everyone is capable of being that person. And you should never just

02:08:17.720 solely think that they're, they're absolved from it because even anyone, you know, we,

02:08:25.800 we want to err on the side of wisdom and the, and the betterment of understanding that what is wise

02:08:31.280 and good, but everyone can have that moment where it's just, they're, they're, they're lost and they

02:08:38.340 do terrible things or mean things or vile things or treacherous things. And

02:08:45.620 so long as i think that it doesn't cross a threshold to where someone is physically hurt

02:08:54.220 or emotionally hurt or even i would say um just the the tragedy isn't causing fissures in someone

02:09:02.360 else if we're sitting back and watching this person go through these things you have to bear

02:09:07.240 that in mind and i guarantee you if you allow it to run its course and the whole time it's running

02:09:13.100 its course, you're telling them, I want to be honest with you. I'm your friend. I would never

02:09:17.960 deceive you. I think what you're doing is foolish, but I'm here and I'm your friend. And, you know,

02:09:23.680 I, you know, I don't want to see you do this to yourself. Eventually they will come around.

02:09:29.520 I have seen it more often than not that they will remember the people that were honest with them

02:09:35.140 and stuck with them, even despite the fact they were going through these times of absolute delusion.

02:09:43.100 yeah i was here ago the eyes i um i assumed you were putting your daughter to bed so we we were

02:09:55.400 kind of running the paces just stanza after stanza no that's exactly what i wanted to do i appreciate

02:10:04.080 that um i know you guys have it uh well in hand

02:10:08.040 but yeah i think the last couple of of stanzas that you went over are

02:10:14.760 they are in their way beautiful they're also in their way sad i think that yeah and i think i

02:10:25.980 think he covered those really well yeah mike said a wealthy man who gives away his fortune to a

02:10:32.800 beautiful face online. You know, these, these woes have plagued our ancestors too, but now the

02:10:38.960 medium may be different. Sometimes the medium is far easier to fall into the deception of. And

02:10:44.000 I think as a church and as a community, we should speak openly about these things to educate people

02:10:49.560 and say, you know, those are wrong. You shouldn't do that. We can, people do it. People have done it

02:10:56.360 for a very long time, but perhaps on the front end, if you, if you hear it now, you'll catch

02:11:01.760 yourself. If you're ever falling into that fool's errand of letting your heart, you know, be yanked

02:11:07.540 off, of course, while, you know, people are depending on the wisdom of you and you're off

02:11:13.060 trying to placate fissures in your, in your soul that, you know, end up hurting others around you.

02:11:20.880 People that, you know, aren't, you know, your friends, your brothers, your, your kinsmen,

02:11:25.720 people that you share oath with and, and, and I've seen you through your worst and your best,

02:11:30.000 you know some of those things you know

02:11:34.560 loneliness

02:11:38.340 is kind of you know a a constant scourge of our people that we battle against and it doesn't know

02:11:50.780 particular time um when settlements were few and far between and some of the social opportunity

02:12:01.340 wasn't nearly what it is today that you know is kind of the backdrop for for this poem

02:12:11.500 you see the

02:12:12.300 you see some of the desperation and some of the foolishness that people make as far as mistakes

02:12:20.860 go because they're lonely we don't like to be lonely some people say that they do but those

02:12:29.020 people are very often saying that from a place of hurt and being jaded uh but loneliness is a

02:12:38.700 is a plague on our people, and I don't think that the lonely are particularly happy, and I think

02:12:44.760 that that's a truth. To overcome loneliness, you know, it talks about even wise men make

02:12:55.420 fools of themselves, and that's one thing, you know, in the Viking era, you know, there's not

02:13:05.440 lot of women to go around everywhere all the time none of this poem is you know them sitting in

02:13:10.320 halls being fed grapes by you know herds of waiting you know beautiful women for travelers

02:13:18.000 and people who go far and wide trying to find somebody and are very lonely in this day and age

02:13:23.520 we can get fooled into thinking that we're not because we're surrounded by people um

02:13:28.240 there are people all over most of us live in an urban setting and tons of folks everywhere

02:13:36.960 but the condition of our society and our social interaction has deteriorated

02:13:43.040 perhaps worse than ever i think that

02:13:47.440 we have some we have people that are surrounded by other people yet are lonelier than our very

02:13:54.560 isolated ancestors and uh i think it's you know like i said the wisdom is is just as timely today

02:14:03.200 as it was when it was written yeah and these these stanzas really do re-emphasize over and over again

02:14:12.640 kind of the the iteration of the point i think that's from a poetic standpoint but yeah that

02:14:18.800 you can see that that's why we kind of like we're moving fairly swiftly through them

02:14:26.960 yeah this next um i was gonna say this next section is you know kind of a running story

02:14:36.640 and i don't know that we ought to stop at every stanza i think maybe reading through

02:14:42.640 96 through 102 as one chunk might be might be the way to do that

02:14:51.120 and this one's really interesting because it's based entirely off of a scance amount of or at

02:14:58.880 least alluding to a story that we no longer have a poem or or you know there's there's references

02:15:07.200 to it and how spock but it doesn't glean much and so all you can really gain is

02:15:15.440 is that um there was once a story in which you know this perhaps um

02:15:22.880 you know held account the wisdom is still there but the context is unfortunate surviving um and

02:15:31.520 that is in reference to billings daughter but we'll you know we'll get to that um in 97

02:15:39.360 but all yeah ultimately 96 um to 101 is more or less a kind of snippet in the story of

02:15:50.480 the wooing of billings daughter and um so again as from a poetic standpoint and

02:15:58.400 The Havamal seems to be three poems ultimately connected over time.

02:16:05.120 And again, this part of the poem or this section, which would be a standalone poem,

02:16:09.400 is again referencing another poem which has not survived in time.

02:16:16.400 96, this I found, this found I myself.

02:16:22.320 when i sat in the reeds and long my love awaited as my life the maiden wise i loved yet her i never

02:16:32.560 had billings daughter i found on her bed in slumber bright as the sun empty appeared and earl's

02:16:45.180 estate without that form so fair so let's just go with those two right off the bat lord bothin is

02:16:53.100 speaking in relation to the wooing of billings daughter and 96 can and to 101 is kind of that

02:17:00.380 window he's he's saying saying especially waiting amongst the reeds hiding out on the edges uh like

02:17:07.640 a young, young boy, young man sneaking off and waiting to, to, to, uh, catch this, this maiden

02:17:16.580 and, and, and to woo her. Um, but he, but he didn't get her. It's clearly yet her. I never had.

02:17:25.080 And so that's already out the gate telling you where this is going to go. Billings daughter,

02:17:30.980 I found on her bed in slumber, bright as the sun. Another interesting thing there. And I think we've,

02:17:35.380 We've referenced that before, is that the idea of a bright woman, her bright, fair skin, her brightness, her shiningness is a clear cultural context to the idea of beauty standards.

02:17:55.120 And I think that our ancestors saw the ruddy woman, saw the swarthy woman, or the dingy as being a sign of lowliness, whereas when they saw the brightness, the cleanliness, the shiningness, the fairness of a woman as a sense of beauty.

02:18:16.180 We see this in a lot of other cultures and even cultures today where women will lighten their skin or lighten their hair.

02:18:26.000 It's beauty standards and there's no difference here.

02:18:30.100 And I think that some people have misconstrued like, oh, our ancestors didn't think this way.

02:18:35.220 when clearly we have proof over and over again about their concepts of beauty being towards

02:18:42.580 the fair the fair hair the fair skin the fair eyes um and i think people are trying to retroactively

02:18:50.500 destroy that notion in order to you know again convolute things in their own direction um but

02:18:59.540 but lord oh then uh it comes again at 98 oh then again at evening come if a woman thou wouldst win

02:19:10.660 evil it were if others than we should know of such as of such a sin away i hastened hoping for joy

02:19:20.660 and careless of counsel wise well i believed that soon i would win measureless joy with the maid

02:19:29.540 So discounting all wisdom. He, again, at evening, trying to sneak about, again,

02:19:40.140 throwing caution and wisdom and following only his emotional desires.

02:19:47.760 You know, it would be reckoned as ill, wise, or evil, or unseemly if it was seen in others,

02:19:57.520 but because he is so enamored, he doesn't see it in himself. And that's the part there.

02:20:03.920 If a woman that when evil it were, if others than we should know of such a sin. So again,

02:20:10.420 he's simply stating in anyone else, it would be a folly and a mockery, something that I would

02:20:16.220 laugh and joke about. But here I am, you know, trouncing about in the edges and in the reeds and

02:20:21.580 hiding on the you know the edges of windowsills and peeking about and being absolutely an unseemly

02:20:27.780 little turd because i just want to be with this woman all all caution to the wind you know so

02:20:36.320 again that i like that reference with the idea is that if you can if you would picture it getting

02:20:43.120 derision from you if other people were doing it perhaps you should reconsider doing what you're

02:20:50.860 always kind of hold that context that that that communal judgment can apply internally it doesn't

02:21:00.080 have to always be are they judging me it'd be would i be judging someone else if i was acting

02:21:06.720 or if they were acting the way i'm acting right now so he you know he he comes uh in uh in verse

02:21:18.820 100 um so came i next when the night it was the warriors were all awake with burning lights and

02:21:28.700 waving brands torches i learned my luckless way so at this point he's and let's let's take it from

02:21:39.000 the context of our ancestral society in which you have this young man lurking about the hall

02:21:48.200 and and you know hiding in the reeds and and peeping through the windows and and kind of

02:21:56.440 hiding in the shadows to try to catch a moment a glimpse or a time to steal away with this with

02:22:02.760 this woman he's causing this kind of commotion and he doesn't even care he doesn't even worry

02:22:07.640 about it all he cares about is getting this woman and meanwhile he's fomenting a huge amount of

02:22:14.280 hatred from her brothers, from her, from her family, from the warriors of the hall. And so,

02:22:21.420 you know, he sneaks in there at night thinking, well, I couldn't do it during the evening and I

02:22:26.420 couldn't do it during the early night, so I'm going to come in late in the night. And what he

02:22:30.520 finds is torches and swords waiting for him. And the sad part about this is Billing's daughter,

02:22:38.900 it's not quite know who Billingr is.

02:22:42.820 Billingr is referred to as a dwarf in another, in Hauksbock.

02:22:50.660 But beyond that, we know that dwarves and Jotunar are oftentimes, or titled,

02:22:57.080 but i think the wisdom is still there is is throwing caution to the wind and being an

02:23:12.320 improprietist little cunning and and mischievous snit and thinking that you could just have your

02:23:21.660 way without realizing you're weaving a lot of turmoil and discourse because you're not following

02:23:29.080 proper etiquette. You're not following modesty. You're not following upfrontness and forthrightness.

02:23:36.340 You're not going there and showing everyone that you are a good person and that you're an

02:23:40.860 upstanding person and that you're a successful person and that you want to court this person

02:23:47.840 openly instead he's you know being the skulky kind of dastardly like and and what does he get

02:23:57.440 for it the throng of warriors waiting with with torches the the mob is ready with pitchforks

02:24:06.080 so and that leaves us to to 100 with burning lights and waving brands i learned my luckless

02:24:14.080 way my time is my luck has run out um you know and then so each of these is kind of going through

02:24:23.480 the the spans of the night and then at the morning then in 101 at the morning then when i once more

02:24:29.520 came and all were sleeping still i found a dog in the fair one's place bound upon the bed

02:24:36.160 so the the painting of this again is is that the situation is getting worse and worse and worse

02:24:43.780 and the desire and the hopelessness or the complete loss of wisdom is leading towards

02:24:51.380 the inevitable ambush of the guard hound. The, you know, the biting dog is waiting there because

02:25:03.140 he was skulking towards the bed early in the morn. And this is what he got for his foolishness

02:25:11.180 of trying to force it and trying to do it with impropriety, unseemliness.

02:25:22.680 So we go to 102.

02:25:25.400 In many a fair maid, if a man but tries them, false to a lover are found.

02:25:30.800 That did I learn when I long to gain with the wiles, the maiden wise.

02:25:35.580 foul scorn was my mead from the crafty maid and not from the woman I won.

02:25:45.500 So really, this is again about weaving dissent, the idea of being enamored and desiring to do

02:25:55.680 something and then attempting to do it with reckless abandon and without concern about what

02:26:01.760 kind of impropriety it causes in the community. And then you end up being scorned. You end up

02:26:07.840 being, um, you know, talked about. Um, and you find these people nowadays is like, I don't care

02:26:15.960 if people talk about me or what have you, I'm going to do what I want. No, those people are

02:26:20.380 very toxic. Those people, uh, will do things at a whim and notice without any care for the people

02:26:26.960 around them, their, their loved ones, their kids, um, their family members, people that

02:26:31.940 they've oath to. And all of a sudden they just start acting a fool because they just

02:26:36.580 don't care. They want what they want.

02:26:48.360 Yeah, it's a, uh, truism that I think many of us have seen

02:26:52.700 that love infatuation lust will drive people to completely throw all

02:27:05.440 understandings of appropriate behavior to the wind and you know sacrifice it all for you know

02:27:14.760 the opportunity to get their needs met and it's a very very powerful biological drive and

02:27:22.300 instinct that leads people towards that and i think this is you know just as useful advice to

02:27:30.700 to young men faring out in the world today as it as it's always been um just a moment before we get

02:27:38.300 to the next one the next uh stanza is kind of a transitional one uh alcy miller donated 15

02:27:45.340 dollars on buy me a coffee says hail the gods hail the folk ldafa thank you all see we appreciate it

02:27:52.300 Um, making good pace tonight. I think we'll, I'm looking for starting to, starting to get close to winding down. So I'm looking for a good place for us to call it a night.

02:28:18.300 And I think we've got a couple more in us left.

02:28:23.540 If you would go and read 103 for folks, and then we'll go into the next story.

02:28:38.660 All right.

02:28:39.740 So, though glad at home and merry with guests, a man shall be weary and wise, the sage and shrewd one, that his speech be fair, a fool is he named, who not can say, for such is the way of the witless.

02:29:09.740 so we this kind of turns away from the lovers and the lessons of love and we will go back

02:29:17.420 into that again like you said with the next story and we do know that story that story is being

02:29:22.460 referenced um uh again with the the great aryan concept of the attainment of the sacred liquid

02:29:30.140 from the maiden but we have this kind of respite break in which he speaks of the fact that you know

02:29:36.700 when you in your home you should be giving you should be glad you should be fair and you should

02:29:43.320 be wise but you should also be weary and and seek wisdom and give sparing speech um and but be fair

02:29:52.280 in your judgments because a fool is one who knows not what to say speaks out of turn or holds no

02:30:02.080 reigns on his wits. And so I think this kind of more or less in 103 is emphasizing perhaps good

02:30:11.600 mannerisms, noble qualities. But then it immediately shifts in 104 and 105 into another

02:30:23.260 story. So 103 is interesting because it's kind of like a respite break between the story of

02:30:28.660 wing of Bellinger's daughter and moving into the wooing of Gunnloth. And so we're kind of right

02:30:34.320 back into the love trials, but this is also kind of making another interesting point in relation

02:30:42.260 to the deceit of a desiring heart. So I think this is what we'll do. I think we'll read

02:30:57.140 the story about

02:31:01.280 winning the mead

02:31:03.220 and then from there we'll talk

02:31:05.840 about that and its implications

02:31:07.880 a bit and that'll be where we stop

02:31:10.140 for tonight.

02:31:11.500 Okay.

02:31:14.620 I think

02:31:15.780 that would probably put us at

02:31:18.140 stanza

02:31:19.920 111?

02:31:22.520 Yes.

02:31:23.980 So 110.

02:31:25.000 Yeah, we'll read all the way through 1.10 and we'll start at 1.10 next time.

02:31:31.540 Or what if, yeah, okay, because yeah, it's on a page.

02:31:35.360 Because what ends up happening is they have this excerpt here and then we go into the story of Gunlov.

02:31:40.680 And then we are about to enter the next poem that was brought in.

02:31:46.260 And that, of course, is the sayings of Lod Fafnir.

02:31:49.980 and of course most people are familiar with that because every stanza begins with you know i give

02:31:56.840 the wisdom i give the counsel lodfofner and then then then the counsel is given that that's that's

02:32:03.940 an interesting way of kind of i think the way we could section on it was that we did like the rules

02:32:09.960 and societal maxims, the maxims of love, and then looking at the story of Belling's daughter

02:32:19.140 and Gunnloth and then Lodfafner. So for anybody that's out there trying to compartmentalize the

02:32:26.480 Halvamal for ease of reading, that might be a good way to look at it. So let's see.

02:32:39.960 Let me get my place again. I'm sorry.

02:32:47.220 Okay. So again, as we read these, bear in mind that these next stanzas, for those that are

02:32:52.440 listening, are based around the story of the mead of poetry. Some of you might be familiar with the

02:32:59.860 story, the slaying of the first storyteller of the gods who was created amongst them and by them

02:33:08.820 uh, through their, the joining of their, their, uh, spittle in the story in which they use the,

02:33:16.580 the massacation to create the, the, the must that would become mead, but the mead is not just mead,

02:33:25.300 it is a person, the first storyteller, Kvasir, and it is all attained, um, again, after he is slain

02:33:36.020 and his blood is turned into this the great power of the mead of poetry the spell power of lord

02:33:43.120 um when he uh uses his wily and cunning ways to dig into a mountain and meets there the fair

02:33:54.880 gun loath and he woos her to attain the mead and then he turns into an eagle and flies away

02:34:02.560 and steals the mead to return it back to the gods.

02:34:07.000 And there's a lot in that.

02:34:08.860 And I think even if we did like a separate VNS

02:34:12.020 based on that story, that would be very, very cool.

02:34:15.660 But we're going to get into just a little peek of it here.

02:34:23.100 So let's see, 104.

02:34:24.880 4. I found the old giant. Now back have I fared. Small gain from silence I got.

02:34:38.420 Fool many a word my will to get. I spoke in Suttung's Hall.

02:34:45.000 So now, again, to reference this point, Lord Vodhan is talking about entering into Suttung's

02:34:53.700 Hall, which a lot of people might not realize that he's talking about the mountain because

02:35:01.340 in the story, there's no point in which he actually goes into Suttung's Hall. In actuality,

02:35:06.180 he uses Suttung's brother to show him where the secret hall is hidden, which is a mountain.

02:35:12.700 And he tricks the brother into pointing out which mountain it is in the range. And then he uses a

02:35:20.780 special tool to gain access by turning into the form of a serpent, and he enters into the mountain.

02:35:28.960 So Suttung's hall, and the fair words that he's talking about, and the fact that silence gained

02:35:35.340 him nothing, he had to speak fair words. He's talking about speaking to Gunlov, the maiden.

02:35:43.020 and he says the mouth of ratti ratti is the augur that sutung's brother used when he drove it into

02:35:51.660 the mountain and at this point he knows that lord odin who is going under the pseudo of the haiti

02:35:59.300 or the pseudonym uh bulverker the worker of bail it's it's again part of the story this is when

02:36:05.960 the brother begins to realize wait a minute i might be making more trouble for myself than any

02:36:11.700 of this is really worth. And so again, I would love to go over that story later. So with the

02:36:17.800 mouth of Ratti, the augur, I made room for my passage and space in the stone he gnawed. Above

02:36:26.160 and below the giant's path lay. The giant's path, again, mountain ranges. This is a kenning

02:36:34.460 um speaking of you know above and below the mountain range lay so rashly i risked my head

02:36:41.800 um so he's he's stating again that in the story he he placed a moment by turning into the snake

02:36:51.920 and an attack was made against him when he did so but

02:36:55.380 he did it with the intent of getting through and into the mountain

02:36:59.100 battle song

02:37:07.420 the the yotanus gunlove her name means song of battle and in 106 he states gunlove gave on a

02:37:20.420 golden stool, a drink of the marvelous mead, a harsh reward did I let her have for her heroic

02:37:31.520 heart and her spirit troubled sore. And so she has been, in the story, she's been punished by

02:37:42.480 her father. She's been imprisoned in the mountain to watch over this mead that was attained and is

02:37:51.220 of such great and visceral power that he has to hide it. And he places her as kind of the keeper

02:37:57.800 of the sacred fluid of Kvacer's blood. And it's not a conquest that Odin takes by might, but he

02:38:08.960 takes by speech and by power and by deception and he's he's lamenting that um he broke her heart in

02:38:18.400 order to again to attain the need um in 107 the well-earned beauty well i enjoyed little the wise

02:38:31.760 man lacks so ordrior the stirrer now has up been brought to the midst of the men of earth and uh

02:38:46.720 this this is

02:38:50.240 to understand the the mystery of kvasir's blood and of the first storyteller turning to mead

02:38:56.400 and the attainment of Lord Odin gaining it by drinking up the cauldron that is called Ordrior, or the Stirrer of Inspiration.

02:39:08.060 He drinks the mead, and he also drinks the cauldron Bod and Son.

02:39:16.140 So three cauldrons he drinks, fills his belly with the mead, and then flies above.

02:39:21.620 And as he's being chased, the mead falls from his mouth and descends into the world of men and inspires the magic and the power of the poetry of scalds.

02:39:34.620 And that's what he's talking about here.

02:39:36.880 He's like, so Orthereor now has been brought to the midst of the men of earth.

02:39:41.260 i i love this one too because it does you can clearly see where some of say like

02:39:47.520 tolkien's inspiration towards um excerpts in in lord of the rings he clearly got them

02:39:55.720 from our the lore of his ancestors our ancestors and of of the havamal and you can kind of see it

02:40:03.020 laid out here. Let's see. 108. Hardly, methinks, would I home have come and left the giant's land

02:40:15.440 had not Gunnloth helped me, the maiden good whose arms about me had been.

02:40:23.380 the day that followed the hrim thurser or frost giants the the rhyme trolls the

02:40:34.020 hrim thurser is what it's written in old norse the frost giants game came some word of whore

02:40:41.740 to win and into the hall of whore of bulwark they asked where he back the midst of the gods

02:40:49.280 or had suttung slay him there.

02:40:52.280 So this is an interesting excerpt

02:40:54.560 because it doesn't present itself in the story.

02:40:58.200 So now we're starting to see that the poet is alluding

02:41:00.440 to perhaps either maybe a more involved poem

02:41:05.260 or at least excerpts that may have been lost

02:41:07.660 in which the Jotuns come to heaven

02:41:11.280 and ask the gods where Lord Odin is,

02:41:16.960 where the high one is uh in bello uses the word h-o-r whore but it in the old norse it's halva

02:41:25.940 which again is the halva mall it's the high one they're asking where the halva is where lord

02:41:32.460 is is he back amongst the gods but they speak then of of bulwark or did sutung actually kill

02:41:42.020 him, which in the story, we know he did not. In actuality, he is slain, in turn, by the gods,

02:41:49.180 as Lord Odin draws him closer to heaven, and they light the walls of Ausgard on fire.

02:41:58.700 110. On his ring, swore Odin, the oath, methinks, who now his troth shall trust,

02:42:07.020 Sutung's betrayal he sought with drink and good loath to grief he left.

02:42:16.320 This is, again, I think poetically speaking about Lord Odin as the cunning one, the tricking one,

02:42:28.000 the one that you cannot fully place your troth in

02:42:34.020 because his machinations are far more reaching

02:42:38.000 than the expense of Gunlo, the expense of the winning that Sutung,

02:42:43.420 because in the story, Sutung gains the mead

02:42:46.220 not through deception and not through cunning.

02:42:49.240 He actually forcefully takes it from the murderous Dvergar

02:42:53.160 who killed Glaser.

02:42:55.260 So they were treacherous.

02:42:56.940 He was forthright, but then knew that the gods would be coming for it.

02:43:00.720 So he tried to hide it.

02:43:02.620 And Lord Odin used all of his cunning.

02:43:05.940 He slayed the Jotun farmhands.

02:43:09.880 And that's, again, alluding to that story.

02:43:12.280 If you guys haven't read that story, you've got to read it.

02:43:13.940 It's amazing.

02:43:15.240 You know, throwing the whetstone up, he tricks them all to spin around,

02:43:19.160 and they end up slashing each other with their scythes.

02:43:21.460 And then he does the work of all of them for the brother of Sutung only on one condition.

02:43:26.940 I'll do all the work of your field hands, but you've got to tell me where your brother is hiding his mountain.

02:43:32.240 Which mountain is the one that is his prized vault, his secret place, because that's where it's going to be.

02:43:40.540 And so then he, you know, sneaks in there and then he woos Gunnloth and takes the mead and then attains it.

02:43:51.600 But again, there's this lament. The idea is that the Baal that has worked is for the greater of the gain. And the ultimate property of the gods was Kvasir. He, and has continued to be in his reiterations throughout time, as he has come back over and over and over again, property of the gods.

02:44:11.860 And oftentimes, great woe is wrought in the attaining of him again. And that's the cycle, the Arian cycle of the gaining of the visceral liquid, whether it's the soma of the Vedix or whether it's the ambrosia of the Hellenics.

02:44:35.500 again this is our story in relation to the attainment of the the wisdom of the the blood

02:44:43.060 of the first storyteller and so this is put in here as a you know a reference to a tale that

02:44:52.000 the audience would have been familiar with to put it in terms of

02:44:57.340 you know like like the previous stanzas pointed out the uh dishonesty of the interplay of love

02:45:09.440 between men and women and the treachery involved in various things and i think this

02:45:13.780 displays that really well but there's a lot more to this story and a lot of

02:45:20.360 deeper meaning behind it and we'll discuss it in a lot more detail when Svonne and I go through the

02:45:28.640 uh Scaldscappersmal I believe is uh the the poem that the rest of this is found in

02:45:35.960 but it's got a much more complete account and in that it's much more treated

02:45:41.780 ah it's told for for poetic use but it it gives much more of the high mythology of it

02:45:51.940 that does become really important and has some some profound things about it and the story in

02:45:57.460 particular this is just kind of as a teaser this is probably the bit of our lore that i think our

02:46:05.780 founder steve mcnellan focuses on perhaps the most he's he's really done a deep dive

02:46:13.860 um harvesting meaning from it and there's a lot there's a lot to be found there and we'll

02:46:20.100 talk more about that when we when we go through the scout scout personal um

02:46:27.300 it's a good place to stop we covered a lot tonight um it lent itself for us to go through

02:46:33.460 it a little bit faster than we did some other portions yeah but i think this has been immensely

02:46:39.860 valuable you have some questions though that we're going to get to from some folks and i appreciate

02:46:46.100 everybody who's donated and i appreciate everybody who's asked questions and who continues to uh

02:46:54.100 tune in and and participate with this we appreciate our audience and hope this is

02:46:59.700 working out well for you guys and you're getting a lot out of it um the first one is from uh

02:47:07.300 michael from njordshoff and could you speak a little on the a-tiers of the runes and why they're

02:47:15.380 named after freya uh haggle and tear um yeah

02:47:29.700 All right, Svanna, I would like you to give them your explanation of that first.

02:47:36.720 Okay.

02:47:38.100 First, I would honestly say they are not named after Freya or Frey or Heimdall.

02:47:46.920 Sometimes I've heard Heimdall and Tyr.

02:47:51.860 So, Oslo, I wanted to check for a second because I didn't know whether there was some cool backfill.

02:47:59.500 no no the reason you do that because one's an f one's a h and one's a t yes and that's that's

02:48:06.860 that's all there is that's all the depth on that um but it is it is a thing that they're separated

02:48:16.620 into three sections like that and spawn do you have any thought on the reason for the separation

02:48:24.100 into those three sections? Well, so that's another interesting thing. When we look at the runes,

02:48:30.400 the two oldest forms of rune futharks that we have is the Kelver stone. And then about a hundred

02:48:37.920 years later, there are two metal jewelry, like brooches. They're called bractiades or

02:48:46.300 bractiates, but it's a brooch. And these two things have the full futhark on them.

02:48:54.220 And it is the vatstena brooch that has small marks in between the three. So the splitting of

02:49:04.740 the futhark into three families actually comes from the vatstena brectae or vatstena brooch.

02:49:11.980 The Kelverstone doesn't have it. It's a straight line. The word etur is Old Norse for family or tribe or grouping. And I think that runologists and people that have studied the runes in their multiple revivals saw those marks and saw the groupings from the Vatstenebrekte and just carried that forward into those groupings.

02:49:41.980 The names, though, the first rune, of course, of the first eight, and again, it's merely a coincidence that there are eight runes, and the word eter sounds like the number eight.

02:49:55.020 That is not, that's like a linguistic coincidence.

02:49:58.880 That's not planned.

02:50:00.580 A lot of people might, it's like recently over the weekend, somebody mentioned we were talking about Niflheim, and someone was trying to think that it had some sort of connection to Nephilim in the Bible.

02:50:10.340 and I was like, no, that's simply a coincidence of sounding. The word eter simply means family

02:50:18.520 and the Vetsden of Brekte did show a separation, an organization, but without any explanation as

02:50:26.620 to why. So we don't know, but it does take the elder Futhark of 24 and divide them into three

02:50:34.560 separate groups. The first one being Fehu. Fehu, of course, starts with F, so a lot of people have

02:50:41.540 placed Frey or Freya on that for some reason. I mean, with fair reason in the sense that there is

02:50:48.800 a lot of connection to Lady Freya and gold, and Fehu is spoken of as the rune of wealth.

02:50:56.040 But it is a stretch, so it would be amiss for me to say that there is some really cool story that

02:51:03.000 would fit to that. And so you'll find a lot of modern rune authors have created these things

02:51:11.720 for themselves. Does it have power though? We've already talked about the idea of symbols

02:51:17.820 and of patterns having power. I think that people that read these books should understand that

02:51:23.680 if they help them classify and understand the Futhark better, then perhaps in a way it has

02:51:31.020 its own power. Is it ancestral based? Is there some note of wisdom in which it's explained that

02:51:38.620 it is this way? No, it is a modern thing. I'm not stating that it doesn't have validity,

02:51:43.360 but what it does is it seems to be of an organizational sense of certain authors

02:51:49.100 from the eighties and nineties that, that kind of came up with it. Um, and then naturally they

02:51:57.000 followed the hail rune with Heimdall. And again, perhaps it does have a certain sense of validity

02:52:04.480 that Heimdall is said to have brought the runes to man, to the folk, to king, as he, the noblest

02:52:13.320 Aryan of the folk. But is the hail rune Heimdall's rune? No, it is not. And lastly,

02:52:23.680 uh tier rune the tier rune is one of the there's only really two runes that specifically connect

02:52:32.560 to to the gods and that is the the rune tier and the rune ing uh ansus has a broader scope it can

02:52:42.480 be focused very much so on uh lord odin but it also has kind of connections to uh like with the

02:52:50.000 with the goths ansus means ancestor not gods so there's um some other things there um

02:52:58.640 so it just kind of again i think naturally fit so if you really are interested in looking at

02:53:03.680 the futharks how they were originally written i would look up the kelver stone k-y-l-v-e-r

02:53:10.560 and the Vadstena, V-A-D-S-T-E-N-A, Bractiet. It's a Latin word. It's very hard to spell. There's

02:53:20.580 lots of vowels. But those two are where you're going to see the original and oldest forms of

02:53:28.500 the Futharks that we have. I will say this much. The younger Futhark continues on with that

02:53:36.300 tradition but because it's 16 runes it's not the same amount like there's there is eight eight and

02:53:44.460 uh five or no it's i can't how they they uh they separate it differently and then sometimes they

02:53:56.140 flip it around so that the third et is first and it goes backwards and i've seen this because

02:54:03.180 people using it for code during world war ii and there's there's some interesting history there

02:54:08.620 um if you ever are interested in that i would recommend looking into dr stephen flowers or

02:54:14.800 edward thorson's book called rune lore and that book doesn't really go into runes as a magical

02:54:22.740 system or a divination system it speaks about the runes in a historical sense talks about how they

02:54:28.940 were organized in the elder Futhark, the younger Futhark, talks about the development of the

02:54:33.760 Anglo-Frygian Futhark and the revival of it in medieval times with the Germans, how it was used

02:54:41.100 in knight's heraldry, how it was brought about in World War I and World War II, and how it was

02:54:46.480 ultimately brought to in a revival in the 1960s and 70s with the reformation of Ausatru coming

02:54:54.480 back. That's a really interesting book, too. Kind of lays out the timelines and the epochs

02:55:01.200 of runic inspiration. But the short answer, they don't correlate like that. Modern authors made

02:55:12.220 that. All right. And then our next little bit here is interesting, and I'm not sure

02:55:24.460 what brought it up, but this is from over on Entropy. This is what I referred to earlier

02:55:32.600 from Sage of Sylvania. Low priority questions. At what point of resuscitation is it considered

02:55:42.540 bringing someone back to life? During a code blue question mark, is it as simple as getting

02:55:52.880 someone's heart beating and breathing again is it more complex depending on

02:56:03.740 the level of function that is retained upon resuscitation or is it impossible

02:56:08.780 to truly bring someone back to life I didn't want to interrupt but I can't

02:56:14.500 stay up the whole episode so I'll catch it later

02:56:18.760 it's kind of at random and

02:56:25.420 I'm again I'm not sure if it was just something that had been on this person's mind or if it

02:56:33.100 is a reference to something that was getting spoken about her

02:56:36.580 I think it might be referenced to the slain foe the newly slain

02:56:42.700 foe that we mentioned. Okay. So do you have, I don't know, do you have any thoughts on that?

02:56:56.020 I'm actually a big fan in the studying of near-death experiences.

02:57:01.980 I think all matters of spirituality fascinate me. I think that, you know, you might get some

02:57:07.920 that are heavily contexted with an intention of, especially with Christianity, kind of, again,

02:57:14.480 reemphasizing their Judaic concept of, like, death and judgment and so on and so forth.

02:57:23.420 But a lot of them are interesting in the relations of how they come about through,

02:57:28.600 you know, medical stories, doctors, people that experienced it through maybe an accident.

02:57:34.640 And they have, I think, far more a confirmation of the idea that we do encounter our ancestors, which I find really comforting and fascinating at the same time.

02:57:49.820 I mean, our faith clearly builds on the idea that our ancestors are waiting for us beyond that veil and that we are to return to them and that their understanding of things here on the earth is a active understanding.

02:58:07.080 It's not a passive or a past base.

02:58:10.060 They are seeing the world now.

02:58:12.560 Perhaps there are people that have passed on that may have a better understanding of things now than they did when they were living.

02:58:18.540 um but the resuscitational part every part every story that i've ever studied on that was always

02:58:27.620 like again there was kind of the out-of-body experience and perhaps the vision of ancestral

02:58:33.540 people of of significance um and more often than not family it's not usually a mentor

02:58:42.140 or or somebody that is not related um though we obviously we do have a story of that case

02:58:49.600 being but perhaps mentors are reserved for people who aren't going to the other side

02:58:56.860 um and and that ancestors are present when it is dire and that the most likely you will

02:59:03.540 pass through the veil i don't know um because i mean people have i think the longest i ever

02:59:09.460 heard of someone being out was uh like three and a half minutes of complete brain inactivity

02:59:17.900 and that gets confused a lot with a lack of oxygen some people have lack of oxygen they

02:59:25.460 they may still have brain activity or they weren't weren't able to measure it and then other people

02:59:30.160 like very rarely is it like there's just no there's like complete lack of brain activity and

02:59:36.420 all of a sudden it starts up again that is truly interesting stuff but i am not a i'm not a medical

02:59:43.220 guy i uh don't know a lot about you know saving the bodies i know about making the bodies not

02:59:55.620 not resuscitating the bodies no uh outside of my wheelhouse of training uh but it just

03:00:01.940 fascinates me i think um a lot of people getting in in those stories and i always find that the

03:00:09.940 more i guess honestly spoken about the ones that don't have like you know i was flying in the

03:00:18.100 clouds and there was jesus and or there was you know like demons and and and so on and so forth

03:00:24.900 i take those with a grain of salt because i think they are substantiated by

03:00:28.180 uh the ortho orthodoxy of christianity whereas you find a lot more people just suddenly seeing

03:00:36.500 themselves outside of themselves and then being approached or called to by their ancestors

03:00:41.380 and then suddenly being told no you know what you're not coming here and then and then they go

03:00:49.020 back yeah i think um i don't think either spawn or i can speak to the medical um

03:01:00.940 like the biological indicators medically that really go to the meat of the question um

03:01:09.900 and i want to answer that because i i know that's what's getting asked is kind of

03:01:15.020 you know at what point does that count um

03:01:24.940 i mean i think that

03:01:31.020 there is a spectrum of approaching death that has always had a very profound shamanic value to people

03:01:44.220 There is an amount of your life is in peril, your biological systems are shutting down and failing, you are getting close to death to where you start having, I guess, experiences that occupy, you know, bits of things beyond the veil.

03:02:12.700 and bring back pieces of that um and that's one of the the very very interesting things

03:02:20.460 and i think that you know to speak on something that's fun was saying a minute ago um

03:02:27.180 it's hard to

03:02:31.260 when people describe things in a very specific christian context or very specific context that

03:02:42.700 I don't know, validates their pre-held belief system, that's, it's hard to tell how much

03:02:52.380 of that is their interpretation of it and how much is the raw experience.

03:02:57.640 And I don't think that's always come about dishonest.

03:03:00.960 We look for patterns and we use what we know.

03:03:03.560 And I think that there are certain things that absolutely happen.

03:03:08.880 And I think different people might put those, use different terms to describe them.

03:03:15.720 But it is encouraging to me and encouraging to my faith that so many of those interactions involve things that make sense to me.

03:03:31.100 so many of those interactions describe being in the presence of or being met by by ancestors very

03:03:39.980 often female ancestors um there to to greet someone who's passed and to to guide them

03:03:48.700 guide them home and i think that is something that's a phenomenon that happens cross-culturally

03:03:56.460 i think that's a you know kind of a fact of how death works and it's really interesting to hear

03:04:04.620 so many of the commonalities in near-death experience they're not all the same and you

03:04:09.900 can find folks that you know say they had one and you know there's absolutely nothing or say they

03:04:15.820 had one and you know describe it many different ways but the commonalities are what i think are

03:04:20.220 very very interesting and certainly

03:04:26.860 going through ordeal to where you push your body beyond

03:04:32.940 its normal state of living existence

03:04:38.300 sends people back when they come back with insights that they didn't have before they

03:04:45.180 adventured there before they they kind of pierced the veil in a way and that's really fascinating to

03:04:51.860 me not not worthy of lots of discussion or whatever but it makes me think of uh that movie

03:04:59.640 flatliners i thought that was really i thought that was interesting i hadn't thought about that

03:05:04.580 movie today is a good day to die but yeah you know best intro to a movie sorry no no it was

03:05:15.160 cool in a lot of ways and the the idea of going to that place to bring back knowledge or bring

03:05:24.340 back wisdom is as old as people and sometimes it happens through accident and circumstance and

03:05:32.740 i mentioned earlier there are shamanic practitioners and folks that deliberately

03:05:39.780 get as close as they can to that for spiritual purposes um but there's something profoundly

03:05:49.940 informative and metaphysical in that moment where life and death meet and uh

03:05:58.500 Yeah, so I guess to answer the question or get as close to it as we can, someone, you

03:06:10.020 know, I, I, I, one of the questions in that it was a series of kind of questions and thoughts

03:06:20.320 on it, but is, or is it impossible to truly bring someone back to life?

03:06:24.980 I mean no we've seen people that are clinically dead in lots of different ways come back be

03:06:33.940 resuscitated and you know retain life and when I say that I don't just mean biological function

03:06:42.000 of heart and lungs I mean cognitive ability where it's the same person that left there's

03:06:49.220 people that have been resuscitated and then you know never regained the faculties that that we

03:06:55.520 really count for for coming back but we also have a lot of people that come back and have

03:07:03.600 very interesting stories to tell um we have another question over in the chat room do you

03:07:13.080 believe in reincarnation so that's something that we've talked about on the show before

03:07:18.640 first

03:07:21.920 i do not think that full one for one soul reincarnation is how it works usually

03:07:31.320 i think there are rare exceptions to where that can happen due to a special spiritual practice

03:07:40.380 or the will of of the gods for a particular purpose but i think more often than not

03:07:48.440 you know we talk about our soul having being a complex of many different parts for convenience

03:07:55.660 of nine parts some of those things continue on in your family line and can be passed down

03:08:04.780 some elements of memory elements of your luck pieces of of hymenia um but your you-ness

03:08:14.960 not so much you can pass down memories but one of the things that's kind of a fundamental truth

03:08:22.420 new people are getting

03:08:25.800 the numbers don't add up for it to be a one for one soul reincarnation thing it doesn't add up

03:08:35.540 or work nearly that cleanly and also we venerate our ancestors we worship our ancestors and we

03:08:43.200 we communicate with them through the veil um you the uh

03:08:56.400 the integral parts of the soul of your grandfather can't simultaneously be

03:09:04.000 existent in your son and existent with your ancestors or with the gods in the land of the

03:09:09.920 dead it doesn't quite work like that elements of his memory and his luck certainly can and i think

03:09:17.120 that's what we try to pass on due to you know how we do naming rights and and other things and i

03:09:24.000 think that is a process now in a very rare circumstance i think that it is certainly

03:09:28.560 possible for a soul to come completely back into a person um through miraculous means or because

03:09:37.840 it's a special will of the gods or a special case of a special hero and i think that's a thing and

03:09:46.080 i don't preclude that possibility but i don't think that's the the standard practice of how

03:09:52.800 that works it's fine everything you want to add on that no no i i think you you hit it well because

03:10:01.360 Because you're speaking about the machinations of our ancestors and their unique, let's say, corner of the cycle.

03:10:09.280 Actually, that wouldn't work because it's a circle and there are no corners.

03:10:12.860 Let's say their side of the cycle.

03:10:15.200 Because the element that we have is the souls of the living, the adjudication and domain of the gods, and the, I guess, what would be the ancestral ability to meet out pieces of the folk soul?

03:10:37.640 like you were saying, like memories and inclinations and luck and sections. And we know that

03:10:44.440 the idea of our mythos tells of a cycle. When we see Yggdrasil in heaven springing forth dew from

03:10:56.120 its leaves and those leaves, the dew drips down into the well of Erd. This is the moment in which

03:11:02.620 I think life and soul life or, and the power of, of the soul or souls is transferring through the

03:11:09.960 heavenly realm from the leaf of Yggdrasil to the well. And in that time, a lot can happen. I think

03:11:15.820 that the gods have the ability to allocate souls to like catching drips and, and dew drops from

03:11:24.540 the leaves. They can hold those souls in the upper realm. I think that elevation, that, that

03:11:30.080 attainment of exultion from the folk soul to the gods happens in this state. But some of those

03:11:41.260 souls or pieces of those souls go into the well of Erd, and they enter into the world of weird,

03:11:46.400 the source of weird being the well of Erd, and that is allocated by the gods in their dominion

03:11:52.500 of whether that perhaps is the desir, the alvar, or pieces of and the boons of your ancestors

03:12:00.200 being given to your bloodline. The worst thing that could ever happen is that your bloodline

03:12:06.120 is forgotten about by your ancestors or no longer, you know, your haminya is turned off.

03:12:11.320 So the boon of gaining the memory and the soul might of great ancestral souls, whether pieces,

03:12:18.640 parts memories or in some very rare cases perhaps a whole we don't know and then we live and the

03:12:29.760 gods mark us for for glory and mark our deeds and then we are again taken in the process

03:12:37.320 where all things go into the well of memory everything breaks down and descends into that

03:12:44.080 place away from time away from the heavenly upper realm and that's where the folk soul is so that

03:12:49.480 cycle continues again because there is a root that is in that lower realm and neath hog is

03:12:55.380 desperately trying to break it in order to stop the gods from having the ability to bring

03:13:00.740 those soul might that the soul pieces back so that they could cultivate stronger and more glorious

03:13:08.500 souls so that they can keep them and bolster their power. I think that this is the ultimate

03:13:15.040 cycle that's being portrayed in the mythos. But when we talk about the percentages of soul

03:13:21.260 and that we don't know, and I think the refreshing point of it is our honesty in saying

03:13:27.100 that we don't know the exact ratios, the exact measurements and ingredients. We can only see

03:13:36.760 in the mythos of our stories, the cyclical nature and the kind of circulatory system that Yggdrasil

03:13:44.500 plays in the upper world, middle world, and lower world that is uniquely Aryan and unique to the

03:13:52.040 Teutonic Aryan specifically. So in that mythos, we kind of more or less are feeling out a common

03:14:01.160 sense observation of the returning of the components of the soul, the exaltation of a soul

03:14:09.240 from the folk soul up to the gods. And, you know, believing, we believe that you can be exalted.

03:14:16.260 You can be pulled up from the middle and you can be pulled up from the lower because the gods have

03:14:20.520 the ability to connect. All of those are connected through Yggdrasil. So we've got another question

03:14:28.600 that comes up uh on this topic of of the afterlife what is the general opinion of the afa on where

03:14:36.440 the soul goes after death many believe they are destined for hop for valhalla but have never heaved

03:14:43.000 a sword um so

03:14:48.760 the doctrine of the afa is that you know a couple of things first the standard answer is you go to

03:15:00.380 the halls of your ancestors i think that's the answer for most people in general um

03:15:08.120 but there are a couple of other possible things one of which

03:15:13.000 You know, in a very bad circumstance, if you are judged by your ancestors and our gods to be completely and totally without redemption or redeeming value, that's where we talk about people going to the strand and being dripped venom upon and dissolved.

03:15:35.160 They dissolve so their component parts and pieces of energy can go back into the well to be used for parts to make other people because their soul is that level of disgraceful or dishonorable or beyond redemption.

03:15:56.100 But that's a very, you know, that's the worst of the worst.

03:15:59.600 Most people go and commune with their ancestors.

03:16:03.720 people that have done great things that the gods find worthy can also elevate them and bring them

03:16:13.240 into a state of being that's higher than they are can we we talk about that being ascension

03:16:19.320 people can ascend and that that's where you get the stories of people going to the halls of the

03:16:25.880 of the gods that's where you get the idea of folks going to baha valhalla in that very very specific

03:16:34.680 circumstance that's talked about but the other thing i think that

03:16:42.920 there's always a tendency to be overly literal with our lore and i don't think that needs to be

03:16:51.640 the case when we have our myths about valhalla spoken about it's a very specific time and place

03:16:59.800 to where battlefield death was a normal occurrence of life and to talk about

03:17:09.960 those who have overcome themselves and become something more through feats on the battlefield

03:17:16.120 is a very particular way of earning ascension to something greater than you are and it talks

03:17:22.920 about the possibility in that circumstance of going to either freya's hall or to to odin's hall

03:17:30.920 but the point that i think we've made a number of times is there's many different paths to ascension

03:17:38.120 i think it's presumptuous and improper for any of us to make the assumption that we are going to

03:17:47.960 the halls of one of our gods i think we have a place amongst our ancestors but i think it's

03:17:54.920 entirely up to our gods who they welcome into their halls and who they don't and because we

03:18:03.080 read a fragment of ancient lore doesn't entitle us to say who gets to go in odin's hall and who

03:18:09.560 doesn't and i think to do that would be impious um but certainly that is the historical example

03:18:17.400 we've seen but there's also points of lore to where people who did not die on the battlefield

03:18:23.960 themselves but were great heroes and great personages were welcomed into valhalla in the

03:18:30.760 lore that had not died on the battlefield um just the logic of like you have to actually

03:18:37.800 like if you were the greatest warrior ever of all time and nobody can kill you so you don't happen

03:18:43.240 to die on the battlefield like nope don't want that guy but instead random guy that happens to

03:18:51.000 die on the battlefield that guy makes it is i think that's stretching the particulars of the

03:18:58.920 war far too far too much i think it speaks of the truth of our god's welcoming

03:19:04.200 mighty heroes into their halls great people and people who have ascended and become more

03:19:12.400 than they once were i think that is a truth that it speaks to and i also think that

03:19:18.380 one of the most obvious and visceral ways of someone transcending the human experience

03:19:26.760 is through glorious deeds on the battlefield like i was saying with you know one of these

03:19:32.020 last questions i think in the proving ground where life and death meet that's where a lot

03:19:40.820 of really profound metaphysical things happen and this is certainly one of those

03:19:50.100 so continuing on this theme do you think there could be more to life after death

03:19:55.460 could things like ghosts or spirits of the dead people or spirits be dead people for example

03:20:02.820 swan i'll let you take this one okay um yes we did talk about this during the uh vns about the

03:20:09.780 soul but we you know reiterating it and or even giving small snippets in return can help because

03:20:16.180 you know people might have missed certain episodes or what have you one thing um that we talked about

03:20:21.780 was the reason why we believe that the soul components are, are important is because we

03:20:30.660 see them as these components in some parts leave like the body. Um, and that there are other parts

03:20:37.200 that remain sometimes, uh, attached in a way, the hammer is the spiritual body that kind of resides

03:20:46.300 under the flesh and a lot of times the hammer imprints in remember the middle world is the

03:20:53.820 world of time the world of weird the world of all things being woven in in action and energy

03:20:59.440 whether it's sound light physicality like the actual physics of of the middle world playing

03:21:06.960 out and one of the things that i think a lot of goes towards perhaps say ghosts or the memories

03:21:13.060 on battlefields and things are actually components of the soul remaining. In specifics, the hammer.

03:21:20.320 When you see or hear the sounds of soldiers marching or of people lamenting in a place of

03:21:29.820 great sorrow or of great, oftentimes, unfortunately, we don't hear a lot about these things happening in

03:21:36.420 places of great joy. But I think that sometimes they are there as well. When we enter places that

03:21:42.680 are filled with a great sense of joy that is the hammer of people from the past with their that

03:21:48.600 that part of their soul still remaining in the middle world um but we do know that the the soul

03:21:57.440 receives a great amount of the components the the ek the the huger or the mind and the mini

03:22:06.060 the memory falls into the cell and the the workhorse of the soul the the the part of the

03:22:14.520 soul that kind of is the legs of the soul beyond our physical body is the philchia there are some

03:22:21.440 people that try to say that the philchia is some sort of lawyer that when we die we go to a place

03:22:27.520 and our philchia is like a lawyer and the gods are like judging us but our lore speaks of a very

03:22:35.060 different way that that goes about that the gods actually gathered a council in heaven and they

03:22:41.620 witness our deeds as we live our gods see us as living beings that commit to acting in the world

03:22:49.780 and watching us and marking us for glory or for for doom oftentimes based off of our our deeds

03:22:58.180 sometimes they can transcend that the vow father the choosing father can send his carriers of the

03:23:04.660 chosen to grab the chosen and elevate them up into the hall of the chosen and again this is all

03:23:10.660 referencing to his choosing um not necessarily just you caught a piece of shrapnel and therefore

03:23:18.340 you you're in you got the golden ticket it's not it's not that i think lord voden is the

03:23:23.860 vow father he's the choosing father and the gods are ultimately trying to cultivate soul might

03:23:30.420 within the folk and that that soul might its ending point is not with the ancestors but with

03:23:36.180 the gods and that processes is always kind of alluded to and so the the cycle of of the the

03:23:45.140 folk soul and having its components brought through the circulatory system of yggdrasil

03:23:51.220 and the three levels is a part of that process hence the reason why need olgar is trying to

03:23:58.180 destroy the third root um but death is a dissipation from time death is a breaking apart

03:24:07.380 of the things that make things material the middle world so from the gods we have order cosmic order

03:24:16.820 we have time we have the placement and the ordering of all things it it plays out in the

03:24:21.940 middle and then it dissipates away from time is kind of again brought to its component pieces

03:24:29.140 and then meted out back up into the world of the upper with yggdrasil being the dispensatory system

03:24:38.020 or the circulatory system of this kind of flowing power um and we see that our ancestors have the

03:24:44.740 ability to deny us access to the the folk soul and that is another great thing so we have a duality

03:24:51.780 of moral compunction one we want the gods to witness our deeds and bless us for good deeds

03:24:57.460 and not doom us for being you know uh falling short of being what we should be the noble soul

03:25:06.020 but on top of that we should also bring honor and pride to our ancestors and want they they should

03:25:12.340 want us to come back and if they do deny us then yes we do end up falling off off the cycle

03:25:21.380 and if we go off that cycle we become something else and a lot of people do focus on that and i

03:25:26.420 think that is good that we have it it's not morally ambiguous if you fall short of the ancestors and

03:25:31.860 the gods it is not a good situation to be in you want to be able to ancestors you want to be in

03:25:39.220 that cycle system so that generations and generations can culminate that soul power for

03:25:45.860 the gods to ultimately bolster with um and they it doesn't happen through just i mean very rarely it

03:25:54.180 can happen in one life and it has and we we've spoken about it but it doesn't often oftentimes

03:26:00.180 it is a layered process in which the components of the individual soul are mixed with the total soul

03:26:06.820 and the total soul meets out those pieces again in order to be honed and sharpened and and to grow

03:26:15.220 in strength and so on the on the subject of ghosts um there are a number of different things that

03:26:27.380 when we start talking about things beyond the realm of human understanding and human experience

03:26:33.700 things get sloppy because we just have glimpses and we have fragments um

03:26:40.820 um but there's a lot of things to that there's the one where sometimes you'll hear stories of

03:26:48.620 ghosts where it's just images of the same people going through the same motions over and over you

03:26:56.180 hear that a lot with uh battlefield ghosts like that's a number of accounts at Gettysburg talk

03:27:03.820 about you know spectral soldiers going through the same motions every single day for you know 150

03:27:12.880 years now that's very much in a way an after image like Svan talked about that piece of the soul

03:27:23.100 that's left in the imprintation there that is I don't know is permanently imbued in that spot

03:27:30.500 because the intensity of event there's also and then there's ghosts that interact very often you

03:27:38.260 hear that in you know scary and unfortunate circumstances where there's someone who

03:27:46.180 i don't know if they are not welcomed by their family and are lost or what that situation is

03:27:52.820 but i think that exists um certainly for a time and there's other times that you have positive

03:28:03.380 you know interaction that people with second sight notice um they'll notice they may tell

03:28:09.700 you about one of your loved ones that they see in your presence that you know follows you around

03:28:14.740 sometimes or you know checks in on you we believe in that we certainly believe you know we worship

03:28:21.620 our ancestors and believe that they look on and interact with us in our lives and can bless us

03:28:28.420 and interact with us we certainly believe that about our um our d-seer and we honor them as

03:28:40.260 as the women that look on and take care of us from beyond the beyond the veil and it's it's

03:28:46.580 funny um if you have an experience that or been around people that you take seriously that talk

03:28:52.760 about having that second sight because most people who say they do are just lunatics and they're lying

03:28:58.620 to you but then there's some that aren't and the ones that aren't it's very fascinating

03:29:07.600 but yeah ghosts are absolutely a real thing and there's an entire spectrum there of

03:29:13.660 what what exactly that means and what category that falls into from the very tragic to the

03:29:21.180 beautiful and amazing when one of your ancestors is coming to check on you and do something

03:29:27.340 do you a kindness or look after your children so there's there's a whole whole spectrum there

03:29:33.900 um but we're gonna call it good for tonight guys thank you all so much for being here

03:29:41.720 I hope you guys are enjoying this.

03:29:43.620 I know that I am.

03:29:44.960 I look forward to doing this each week with Sfaan.

03:29:48.820 People seem to really like us going through the lore.

03:29:52.100 No telling how many more episodes we've got on the Have-A-M-All,

03:29:55.200 but as many as it takes.

03:29:56.960 I think that's always a good use of our time.

03:30:02.660 Yeah, if you can, and we'll talk to you a couple times until then,

03:30:06.360 but be thinking about making plans, go to Ostara at Thorshof.

03:30:09.800 it's going to be amazing and i want to share it with you so if you can that would be fantastic

03:30:16.920 i will see you guys next week hail the gods hail the folk hail the afa and remember victory never

03:30:39.800 We'll be right back.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - February 29, 2024

2⧸28⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 86 - Hávamál, Part 4

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