00:03:00.000Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.
00:03:11.020You might have noticed I've got a little bit different backdrop today.
00:03:17.520Sorry for the jankiness of this particular episode, but we have spent the last several
00:03:23.520days loading up the moving truck and putting all the stuff we can fit in there in order to start
00:03:33.620our move to Tennessee. So early, early tomorrow morning, I'll be hitting the road and starting
00:03:41.660to move my family across country and wind up in majestic Jackson County, Tennessee.
00:03:48.100so uh i'm gonna be relying on nick and spawn tonight to manage the chat feed me questions
00:03:59.560acknowledge our amazing donors and uh yeah kind of lead that process because i'm doing this from my
00:04:06.720phone anyways welcome to the show i'm very excited for this episode we are um doing so okay
00:04:17.260Two weeks ago, Swan and I started the Gilfaginning, which we have been looking forward to doing for a long time now.
00:04:28.300It's absolutely foundational to the practice of Alcatru and to a coherent, cohesive, structured explanation of what this is and what we believe.
00:04:45.860And it's laid out in a really, really cool, digestible way that's intended for this audience.
00:04:53.220One of the things that's challenging with our lore is so many of the bits that have come down to us weren't intended for an audience who is unfamiliar to teach them about our lore.
00:05:03.980They were very often, you know, a comedy or a poem in the setting of our lore, a explanation piece of, you know, dramatized events from our lore meant to be presented to an audience that was already largely familiar with it.
00:05:24.800this piece is specifically made to instruct this is what our ancestors or
00:05:32.960in this case Snorri's ancestors believed so this is a really again it's very
00:05:39.840special piece it's something that's fun and I both really enjoy and look to for
00:05:46.740guidance and it's something we've been very excited for two years or so now to
00:05:52.460to share with you guys and this is finally our opportunity so um again spawn's gonna have to
00:05:59.260remind us exactly where we left off um i believe with i'm looking for it right now i believe with
00:06:09.660the creation of emir um and while he's waiting on that we have a couple donations to start off the
00:06:15.740stream we have gw farnsworth as always uh he donated thirty dollars to the thor's off heat
00:06:26.700and twenty dollars to vns and steven in japan donated ten dollars to phrase hop and ten dollars
00:09:18.520yeah just so everybody knows that's what we got up at the top of the program
00:09:24.360guys are great i apologize that i'm a little bit flustered and off i've
00:09:28.200been moving thousands and thousands of pounds of miscellaneous things that you collect and
00:09:34.920don't realize until you open up your cabinets and have to move all the things so i do want to
00:09:41.360correct in the chat uh glidian because people make that mistake a lot we're in jackson county
00:09:48.440tennessee which is quite a ways many hours from jackson tennessee yeah jackson tennessee is over
00:09:55.420in the west tennessee near memphis if i'm thinking of it correct
00:09:59.220jackson county is about an hour and a half northeast of nashville so
00:10:07.560there you have it i can see oh cool another reminder because i'm on my phone i see the
00:10:13.800little pop-ups if you got questions we are excited to talk to you about the guilt beginning but we're
00:10:19.840also very excited to talk to you about each and every question that might come to mind um feel
00:10:25.620free to ask uh ask those on whatever platform you're consuming this and whenever you have a
00:10:30.820question if you want us to address it on victory never sleeps vns at runestone.org a number of
00:10:37.540are taking us up on that and so we get really good questions there each week um so yeah if
00:10:43.860you think of something make sure you're sending that email in there uh yeah that's that's what
00:10:55.780i've got for right now to start the show off again i'm a little bit a little bit off because i'm uh
00:11:01.860scramble in here but spawn where where are we so people can follow along and as always guys when
00:11:09.860you're trying to follow along with us at least through the rest of this edda we're going to be
00:11:14.660using um the lust bow dot org that's what we've uh done all of our stuff so far on and it's gonna
00:11:24.500see us through this as well so if you want to follow along that's where we're at if you have
00:11:28.100your own translation at home absolutely feel free to use that um yeah spawn where are we at
00:11:35.140what do we need to know uh i believe we are actually just uh ending with emir and going into
00:11:45.140of ad umla and the origins of odin um and for those that weren't here last week and you are
00:11:54.100catching up the good news is we're in there we're still in the beginnings of the poem because we had
00:12:00.660to cover prologue and a lot of the uh build up to the poem so um king galfi is just starting to get
00:12:12.340into uh creation if you will um so we end with king galfi coming into the great hall of the gods
00:12:27.860um and this isn't really a spoiler but we talked about how the euhemerization of the gods so um
00:12:37.220there's no specification it's just an assumption that king gelfi uh comes to the gods either by
00:12:45.860moving to the place where they're at or uh that there is an access point if you will
00:12:53.700most likely for plot convenience of the story that he's able to uh attain access to the gods
00:13:00.980And he goes there and he is in a great hall. And the halls have side rooms and he is led through there and he sees many great things. He sees a juggler and that is juggling lances or swords.
00:13:20.480And he's taken before a stage where there are three kings, and sometimes it is interpreted that the kings are on like a scaffolding or what have you.
00:13:34.580i'm i'm not of that mindset but that that there is the three um kings and they are named high
00:13:43.860just as high and the third or howard ivan howard and three and so he begins to ask them questions
00:13:55.780under the guise of a wanderer um who's uh way weary is as he kind of presents himself
00:14:04.580And he begins to ask the questions about the gods.
00:14:10.880So we have to understand a couple of things is that this is a wonderful story that references poetics from other poems.
00:14:24.820So you will see often an explanation, and then it will say, as it was said in whatever poem is being referenced. I think it's worth remembering that the reasoning behind this is because Snorri was preparing young poets for the possible life of being court poets in medieval Norway's courts.
00:14:50.640and there were always times in which a chance to kind of spread the knowledge of the poetics
00:15:00.980to the poet the young poet and that was a constant because the importance that I believe he felt
00:15:13.200would that the scald would play in the future courts of norway so anybody that gets uh confused
00:15:22.200by the quotations into other poetics but they but the corpus of the story is in story format
00:15:30.060not poetic um and as al-sir-gothi said it is a super clean way in which uh all of our lore
00:15:42.900is presented out. And tonight I think we're going to get a chance to talk about some misconceptions
00:15:48.760that I think modern folk have about things like cosmology and also how our understanding of the
00:15:58.400world, that the gods understood that we would come to a greater understanding. So we are looking at
00:16:07.700the understanding of our ancestors, and we can also see where there is the truth,
00:16:15.500not buried, but layered in to be recognized later. So I'm really excited to talk about some of that.
00:16:28.600um so they speak of emir and that he is by no means considered a god but a a jotain the word
00:16:43.420is um it shares linguistic connections like with the icelandic word yorvi which means to consume
00:16:53.680or consumption, but I think it's worth noting that it also has a sentiment of a being of
00:17:02.880long standing, a being that has been around for a long time. So whenever you see the word
00:17:11.320Jotun, it's ancient beings, and Ymir is clearly a Jotun. He's not the Jotuns of Niflheim,
00:17:18.740And he's not the Jotuns of Muspelheim. He is his own. And from him come his descendants, these ancient beings. And they are ancient because pretty much the war between the gods.0.81
00:17:34.440The war between the gods of cosmic order and natural law brings about the arc of the golden age that is with men and the gods all together, and then the Jotuns become those of those ancient times, those ancient elements.
00:17:59.380and we covered, and we will cover more about creation, so.
00:18:04.360There's something I'd like to interject in here
00:18:06.880to focus in on a little bit, as Fawn pointed out.
00:18:11.980I think that it's worth noting and remembering
00:18:17.900that our lore is intended for an audience
00:18:21.340and it was intended in its time for an audience.
00:18:24.800And you will see that people conceive of
00:18:29.380divine super duper cosmic things in terms that make sense to people
00:18:37.620um one of the things about the manuscript that i like to use the pictures of one here
00:18:44.640is it has you know our lord depicted in like i don't know late medieval almost renaissance
00:18:52.660looking garb and weaponry and stuff because that's what made sense to the audience when
00:18:59.140the audience was picturing a sword they weren't picturing you know a 700s era viking sword they
00:19:05.940were picturing a foul shown or a you know a broad sword in a medieval way when they were picturing
00:19:15.780you know a spear or an axe it was much more like a halberd or something that made sense to the
00:19:22.100people at that time um in the same way the imagery and the stories our ancestors had just as big of
00:19:30.740brains as we do so we're not asking you to believe ridiculously fanciful things what we are asking
00:19:40.660you to believe and what was presented to our ancestors was imagery that makes sense in terms
00:19:46.580that they understand um giants and you know the cosmic really big cow we don't want you to picture
00:19:58.100there's this giant cow floating around in space it's really easy when people go too far and get
00:20:05.780too literal and this goes into some questions that i've already seen pop up tonight no the point is
00:20:12.660there's this generative nourishing force in the cosmos that was the source of this of this feeding
00:23:53.640And what I mean by that is cattle ranchers will agree that when we talk about cattle
00:24:01.980with horns, especially when they're herding together, they can, they stab each other more
00:24:06.140than anyone else. But her name means that she can just cause no offense. She is without horns.0.99
00:24:14.800Adumla immediately is overflowing with milk. And from this overflow, Emir is nourished. She doesn't
00:24:25.380nourish him on her own it's just the abundance of her is so great that he can nourish himself from
00:24:34.260her um so the the four streams of milk run from her udders and she nourished uh emir then asked
00:24:44.020gang larry who is of course king galfi in disguise wherewithal was the cow nourished and then
00:24:51.700Then Haur said, she licked the ice, which was salty, and the first day she licked the blocks, and there came forth from the blocks in the evening a man's hair, the second day a man's head, and the third day a whole man was there.
00:25:13.360He is named Böri. He was fair of feature, great and mighty, and he begat a son called Bor, who wedded a woman named Besla, daughter of Balthorn, the giant, and they had three sons.
00:25:33.220One was Odin, the second Vili, the third Vey.
00:25:39.120And this is my belief, that he, Odin, with his brothers, must be ruler of heaven and earth.
00:25:47.500We hold that he must be so called, so is that man called whom we know to be mightiest and most worthy of honor, and ye do well to let him be so called.
00:25:59.960So a couple of things in there. One, it very, very quickly moves through the originations and it doesn't speak often or doesn't speak of Buri.
00:26:14.460Bodhi is also, in another story, told to walk amongst Niflheim and amongst the Jotuns there, the Jotuns of ice.
00:26:25.640Our ancestors' understanding was the north above, the Nordic poles, even beyond perhaps, and that cold place to the north.
00:26:40.580And he walks amongst them. And it says little is known about his life, but that he had a son and his son takes a wife. And it is at this point that there is a movement of the gods eventually planning on moving to the center of the world.
00:27:05.280but we'll get into cosmology here in a little bit. But Av Umla, the one without horns, is such a
00:27:12.740creator, is such a powerful force, a feminine living force that moves in the great gap.
00:27:22.160You know, Emir is described as often sleeping or restless, and so you'll see depictions of him
00:27:28.600laying upon the ground drinking from the rivers of milk and uh she moves about and yggdrasil is
00:27:36.840there and so this is what i would call the first tripartite um that the the number three is so
00:27:44.280important to our consciousness about the ability to move forward and every time we see uh the
00:27:55.160tripartite it shows up in uh three different forms one is stasis yggdrasil one is catalism
00:28:04.280which is uh that it needs conditions in order to move and that would be emir and that adumla
00:28:10.680is the dynamic of this particular tripartite and she creates and she creates the starting of
00:28:20.120the race of the Aesir. Now, they are Aesir, but they mix with the Jotuns of Niflheim.0.99
00:28:32.040So, they are born, the three, and then Gangleri asks, what covenant was between them,0.88
00:28:42.920or which was the stronger and howard answered the sons of boar slew emir the giant low where he fell
00:28:53.480there gushed forth so much blood out of his wounds that with it they drowned all the race
00:29:00.100of the rhyme giants save that one whom giants called bergelmer now it's really important that0.89
00:29:07.680I say this, the Hrimthurser is applied to the Jotuns of Niflheim and the Jotuns that spring
00:29:19.020from Ymir. So it can cause a little bit of confusion. So these Hrimthursers are not
00:29:27.920the Jotun of Niflheim. But all of his kin, Ymir's ancient kin of old, are killed in the deluge1.00
00:29:38.640and save only one, Ber-Yelmer, loud yeller. Again, you'll see the connection to sound0.97
00:29:50.340and Ymir and his kin, and he makes it away from the deluge
00:29:59.120and is eventually in Jotunheim, and the Jotuns of the middle,
00:30:05.080if you will, the Jotuns of Jotunheim specifically, descend from him.
00:36:50.700So, just to lay bare some of the ways that I would prefer if the Norana Society presented some things differently, and it's the source of some of our little back and forth, I think it is completely appropriate for Gothar in modern times to innovate things and say, hey, this is what we do now.
00:37:20.700And if their position for what they do, and again, they shouldn't do what they do.
00:37:26.500They should all come and do House of True over here with us.
00:37:30.840Obviously, I say that I wouldn't be sitting here having the show if I didn't genuinely believe that, though.
00:37:36.240But if their position is, hey, our people, our tradition is that we're going to wear red because people sometimes wore red to fancy things in the lore.
00:38:06.340But I did look into where those sources are and what we do see.
00:38:10.780And we don't really see the red, or at least what I was able to find, and the references cited to me were not to where there was red at, like at the bloat ceremony.
00:38:24.060But it's funny when you look at the word bloat in our ancestors' tradition.
00:38:28.160It meant the sacrifice, but it also meant the accompanying feast.
00:38:32.820so every every feast every celebratory feast up to this day in some instances like uh um like uh
00:38:47.240storobloat for instance just means feast so feasts and celebrations your cool party clothes
00:38:55.600were very often red or you know described as crimson or scarlet or whatever other word they
00:39:00.440meant to be red because that was really nice digs like that was your fancy clothes if you could get
00:39:07.580red dye for your stuff that was that was your nice clothes so in accompanying to that we saw
00:39:14.180them wearing like really deep blue cloaks over top of the red actually the description of the
00:39:19.380clothing both of the instances I saw were at like feasts not at specific religious observances
00:39:30.440two people were wearing red but they were wearing other things as well and it was a really cool
00:39:35.980description of what they were wearing i think uh the lady in the in the story was wearing a like
00:39:41.220a silver girdle and this like scarlet um blouse or whatever they called her her her shirt and then
00:39:50.020you know really nice uh i guess blue cloak so yeah red was an example of wearing your fancy
00:39:59.080clothes absolutely so i think probably rich people who could afford it very often red might have been
00:40:06.120a part of their blood colliding i don't think that was a prescription that that's what you
00:40:11.000had to wear to the sacrifice i think that's more you put on your fancy clothes to go to your feast
00:40:16.840and that's typical of what the fancy clothes at the time might have looked like so it's not they're
00:40:22.280not doing anything wrong and i didn't think they were doing anything wrong last time i just want
00:40:26.920want to make clear there's not evidence in the lore that that's what that looked like what i did
00:40:34.840find kind of compelling though was that at a time what is connected very specifically to aussage
00:40:41.220plenty of other indo-european traditions their priest class does wear white on their stuff we
00:40:47.520also saw very specific in uh jordaine's uh uh gaticum i think is the book the history of the
00:40:59.980goths where he writes about gothic priests coming out from a city in their in their white robes
00:41:05.540so that's that does appear to in the age of the goths that seems to be a thing or at least it was
00:41:12.820in the town that that was practicing and i found that one reference but just to clear any of that
00:41:18.360up because i know we were talking about it it was a fascinating thing so whoever um brought that up
00:41:22.600thank you because it was neat and we got to go down a little you know follow little rabbit trails
00:41:27.280and try to see where that took us and what we could learn on that so that was really cool and
00:41:30.960i'm glad you brought it up because you know we learned something and looked into something that
00:41:34.900fascinating that's all yeah the like the bells and upsala on the phrase priests are not present in
00:41:44.340in iceland are not mentioned so the the uniformity over district and personal things that were going
00:41:53.860on in different groups is kind of where i think people get wrong and i really wish they didn't
00:41:59.620try to present that okay we're going to have this holiday at this time because
00:42:04.100that's what also true does but the reality is it was recorded down in this fjord or in this
00:42:10.820dale in iceland that's what they did at this time again to be fair we do that stuff all the time
00:42:19.780but we do it as as the austere go through the asset true folk assembly i decree that this is
00:42:25.620what we're going to do from now forward yeah and and i own that and i it would be cool if we found
00:42:32.260a lot of those traditions in our ancestors time by the time that writing came to the north though
00:42:37.940a lot of that more advanced priest structure wasn't present in the same way so we don't see
00:42:45.540that same like edict connectivity which is cool and again if the noran society says hey i'm mark
00:42:53.460purrier and i declare that this is what we're going to do is these are the close awesome by all
00:42:58.020means that's fantastic and i'm curious to see you know what their what their white and red
00:43:04.420you know look clivey end up looking like that's that's cool i just want to make sure that the
00:43:09.220people listening don't think that there's some universal understanding of that in our
00:43:13.380ancestors time because it just wasn't present at that point so as we move forward from here
00:43:22.100There is the slaying of Ymir and the deluge of his blood, but the three, Odin, Vili, and Vey, who I find it very interesting.
00:43:36.160It's mentioned earlier on in the poem that he, in elder times, was called Vodin with a V.
00:43:45.760And that's kind of hearkening to, you know, I don't know if Snoddy realized, but the loss of the VW in much of the Norse language as it moved, it's almost like the W kind of dropped away in its usage, especially in the front of words.
00:44:06.920but remained and was kind of transferred over to a V after the decision of which letters to use
00:44:15.700in Latin or Latin-based alphabet to translate Old Norse. So if people are wondering, like,
00:44:22.720why is the three, it's Odin, Vili, De, it's the elder way that we can see this. And we see this
00:44:31.080again with the um like uh in tacitus this time when amongst the germanics and uh the the linguistic
00:44:39.640theorization of where that goes is that it's it's vo the normal than us but um
00:44:46.360to bar all confusion you know we are looking at the guild beginning as our core source for
00:44:53.320understanding um but he mentions that the three um slay emir and then the blood washes away
00:45:04.520bergelmer and his kin and they are eventually the ones that just make the descendants of all the
00:45:12.040yachtins but um in eight the sons of bor create heaven and earth or excuse me earth and heaven0.52
00:45:22.040And there's actually a reason, an important point as to why heaven comes second in this.
00:45:29.600So then Gangleri asks, what was done then by Boar's sons, if thou believe that they be gods?
00:47:48.140To some in heaven, some wandered free under the heavens.
00:47:52.680Nevertheless, to these also they gave a place, and shaped them their courses.
00:47:59.600And it is said in old songs that from these days we reckoned that the tale of years told,
00:48:06.420As it is said in the Volospow, the sun knew not where she had housing, the moon knew not what might he had, the stars knew not where stood their places, thus was it air, the earth was fashioned.
00:48:24.440So the shaping of the world, one of it I think is truly interesting is the connection between Yotin or time scale, especially in relation to the ocean and the ocean being that place that's deeply connected to the time of the Yotins.
00:48:46.020But they formulate an idea, and I think it's really important that we cover it, is that our ancestors, in this format of understanding, is that the Great Ring, and to the west is the land of the Vanaheim, and to the east is the land of Jotunheim.
00:49:05.660And that Midgardr is called Midgard because it's encapsulated. And that's emphasized more. And that in the north and the south, there are two lands. So one of the big things that I think a lot of people get confused to today is that Midgardr is like the middle plate amongst four plates around it.
00:49:28.560It's not so much about upper and lower as of yet. That comes and evolves. But that Midgard is the middle of the planes of existence around it. And I think that those relationships between those planes in our world have a deeply spiritual and I would even argue some scientific repercussions.
00:49:53.740you can see their interplay here um but i digress so uh it's then that gang leary asks these are
00:50:03.420the great tidings which i now hear and that is wondrous and great piece of craftsmanship and
00:50:09.500cunningly made how was the earth contrived and then hi howard answered she is ring-shaped she
00:50:19.980being of course yard the earth the word yard survives in our language from this and that
00:50:27.820the earth always takes in that feminine um titling so she is ring-shaped without and round about her
00:50:38.220without lay the deep sea and along the strand of that sea they gave lands to the races of the giants0.76
00:50:47.180for habitation but on the inner earth they made a citadel around the world against the hostility
00:50:54.540of the giants and for their citadel they raised up the brows the the the protruding brow um
00:51:03.500of emir the giant and called that place mid guard guard being that it's enclosed and it
00:51:10.540And it would also imply the idea that in the east, over the waters, there is the land of Jotunheim, or over the edges, and upon the edges on the other side is Vanahan.
00:51:28.020Then they took his brains and cast them into the sky and made it the clouds.0.61
00:51:33.700as it is said here of emir's flesh the earth was fashioned and of his sweat the sea his crags the
00:51:43.080crags of his bones trees of his hair and of his skull the sky and then of his brows the blithe
00:51:50.820gods made midgard for the sons of men and of his brain the bitter mooted clouds were ever were all
00:51:58.760created and again this is the referencing to dark clouds the bitter mood um it's also worth noting
00:52:05.320and i spoke about the possibility of poetic mistakes where uh the alliteration was more
00:52:12.440important than the necessity of consistency and this happens when we see the that just before
00:52:21.000it's the blood that creates the oceans and then in this poet it's the sweat so you know there
00:52:28.520i think there's more of that than there is like say christian influence um but i love the the
00:52:36.600bitter mootedness is talking about the dark mind of emir his so that's something to keep in mind
00:52:45.160though the water is water it's not blood and it's not sweat it's water right we realize this so one
00:52:54.360of the big things that's very important about this part of the story is not that they're chopping up
00:53:01.800a really really big giant and putting pieces of that giant places and you laugh but a lot of
00:53:09.240people again take it very very straightforwardly and if that's what you want to do fine i i don't
00:53:16.360claim that as heresy i just think that suspends belief in a disbelief in a strange
00:53:23.880and unnecessary way um the point is they took the primal the primal person of chaos the chaotic
00:53:37.720being that was immense and that dominated the primal space before consciousness came
00:53:44.360our gods the gods of consciousness slew that initial chaos and then from the husk the remains
00:53:57.640the corpse of primal chaos they forged order they took all this just malignant chaos and pieced it
00:54:08.280out into beautiful ordered existence that we still exist in and appreciate their first acts of
00:54:19.240godhood are to defeat and destroy devouring chaos and from the chaos that they found
00:54:29.480to shape beauty and to shape order to shape structure so that's a really important foundational
00:54:36.600thing and it's laid out literally as their first the first act of godhood that they're doing is that
00:54:46.120and i think spawn's point about directionality is really important too
00:54:51.720they started where they were they started with we are this like nugget of conscious order and
00:55:01.160and nobility in this vast chaotic existence they begin establishing from where they were
00:55:13.240outward the order and the shaping of our existence of our world and our relationship to the cosmos
00:55:21.480around us yeah and i've i'm of i've spoken to you about this about my belief that the gods
00:55:31.720sent their stories to us via classier the first poet storyteller but uh you know like some people
00:55:39.160and the the idea that the old world is reshaped and that um they have found two possible uh
00:55:47.720uh landing sites of these kind of cataclysmic comets that would have changed the earth
00:55:54.140completely and I'm banking on the third one and I think that that would be very interesting
00:55:58.980considering um but I only I only tease into those directions because again mythos is about
00:56:09.060the truth painted in words and picture um and it's not literal as in uh the literalness of
00:56:16.980say um like the torah or the quran or something like that so and so that i think needs to be made
00:56:25.140on that somebody understands what we're saying we're flapping down literality a lot this evening
00:56:32.820and that's not that is not to discount any of the realness everything we are saying is real
00:56:41.060and is true it is a poet poetic depiction a poetic painting of truth emir existed the gods
00:56:52.340exist they exist they have consciousness they have agency they do things they're just not
00:57:00.980giant sized vikings they are gods in the essence of what a god looks like
00:57:07.460we don't know if that existence is something that is corporeal or not maybe it is can be if they
00:57:17.460want it to be but they're also gods it's not limited to that so when the god of arian
00:57:24.500consciousness battles the original devouring giant of chaos it's probably not two big dudes
00:57:37.460in viking clothes fighting with the axe that's probably not how that looks and if you want to
00:57:44.340die on that hill that that's exactly what it is cool i'm not gonna fight you on that that's fine
00:57:49.220maybe it is big giant dudes fighting with the axe i'll take it but i don't think it has to be that
00:57:55.620one of the things that's really important and especially when we have people that are
00:58:01.780we are in an age where people are very very cynical so they
00:58:07.460There is an element of our people who are genuinely searching or who have hit rock bottom and are in a place where they are looking for truth and they're looking for reasons to believe.
00:58:21.240Unfortunately, with the soul sickness that's infected our folk for so long, a lot of people have become very jaded, very cynical, and they're always looking for a reason not to believe.
00:58:32.600they're looking for a confirmation that once again, they've been screwed over and their leaders
00:58:39.920have lied to them or people they've trusted have lied to them once again. And this is just more of
00:58:44.920that. And so it's really easy in a faith that demands that, no, literally, this is what happened.
00:58:52.840Literally, you know, Moses parted the Red Sea and it parted, and this is where it parted and it
00:58:59.400pardon because he hit a staff here at this time. Aha, we found archaeology and said that didn't
00:59:05.260happen. And your whole system breaks down. And, you know, one part of it's false, then it can't
00:59:10.800be 100% true. Therefore, 0%. It doesn't matter. That's not how our lore works. It's not how it
00:59:17.060was ever intended to work. These are truths. The truths improve and add shape and dimension as our
00:59:25.120wisdom and our knowledge catches up but the hyper focus on literality is something that people get
00:59:34.680into and then if you say something against it then it's very easy for people to like ah see they
00:59:40.320think the lore is just symbolic and the gods are just symbols no not at all the gods are real they
00:59:44.640are people they are personality people i don't know if it's the right word they are individual
00:59:50.240existent personalities that are alive, that have agency, that have will, that are there with
00:59:59.560individual personality and participate actively in the gift cycle, very actively in the gift cycle.
01:00:07.840We are both, and I'm assuming those listening to this program have been greatly blessed by our
01:00:13.080gods because they do actively participate. So please keep that in mind as we continue.
01:00:19.720and before we get going again shannon bought us five coffees shannon thank you for being so
01:00:26.280generous we appreciate you and she said love these readings with svawn keep up the excellent work
01:00:31.240gentlemen five coffees that's 25 dollars i think everybody appreciates the readings from spawn he
01:00:38.360does an amazing job with it um thank you shannon we appreciate your generosity thank you everybody
01:00:44.760who's been generous thank you so much and i i um yeah i want to try to make sure that we go through
01:00:55.480these and give everyone that understanding not only uh the broad sense of translations and so
01:01:02.200much but how it is such a cornerstone to our church um and so these moments really get give
01:01:09.080a chance for uh me and i was here to come in and kind of set the understanding um so it's it takes
01:01:18.520our stories to a whole new level that um just haven't had we're reading them by myself um
01:01:28.840and i do apologize more donations also donated 20 to the phrasehoff fund
01:01:36.520and bought a copy of The Living Isle So True.
01:01:39.980And then Caleb donated $400 to restore heat to Thorsoff.
01:02:49.160And once it is absorbed, so much more makes sense.
01:02:54.220And why a lot of the cosmological mistakes that you see scholars and artists that make images of the cosmology kind of get wrong is because they're not really either looking at the way our ancestors saw it or their interpretation of what our ancestors were talking about.
01:03:18.380is kind of misguided, but we'll get into this. So the sons of Bor create Asgur and Emla. Then
01:03:29.900said Gangleri, much indeed they had accomplished then, methinks, when the earth and the heavens0.77
01:03:36.240were made, and the sun and the constellations of heaven were fixed, and the division was made of
01:03:41.960days now whence come the men that people the world so at this point we start he's a saying
01:03:50.840that the gods have established order and time everything is flowing and and um rotating in its
01:03:58.280its proper paces um and so uh howard answers when the sons of boar were walking along the sea strand
01:04:11.180they found two trees and took them up and the trees they shaped them one uh one or shaped men
01:04:20.380of them bear in mind too the usage of the word man in germanic language a lot of modern day people
01:04:28.220again get very confused and misaligned feminine is unique and it's by itself masculine is shared by
01:04:36.860everyone so if it's all men that means it's public but only women can be women and so it was
01:04:48.380the masculine that had to share it with the public don't get us youtube man
01:04:55.340well we see it here that he shaped men of them and the first gave them spirit and life the second
01:05:03.980gave wit and feeling and the third form speech and hearing and sight and they gave them clothing
01:05:11.020and names and the male was called oscar ash and the female embla and of them was mankind begotten
01:05:22.140now when we see the stories of like rigstula where it's talking about great grandmother and
01:05:29.020great-grandfather or grandfather and grandmother or father and mother. And again, I am of
01:05:37.960absolute belief that this is the source, the generation. People ask us, why do you believe
01:05:46.060that the folk are the only ones? It's because again, Lord Odin is breathing life into the
01:05:54.480descendants that are descended from him. If we were to say that Lord Othin breathed life into
01:06:00.500everyone, then that means that all of their belief is null and void. And the people that
01:06:07.260are proponents of this, when you word it that way, suddenly have to backstep that we're washing out
01:06:16.220A couple of points I want to put in there.
01:06:22.820We are talking about the existence of our race of people and our existence and relationship to our cosmos and the world around us.
01:06:35.320Yes, obviously, at some point, different racial groups, realities exist and they exist in a shared world and shared physical environment.
01:06:47.360But we make no statement at all towards their existence and how they come about and what their deal is.
01:06:53.940What is interesting is when you talk about people, a very common thing throughout all varieties of humanity is the word for your tribe or your race is the people.
01:07:12.200or the real people in our instance the noble people but it identifies you as like you're the
01:07:21.800people and these are other other things and that's worth noting here the other thing that
01:07:29.400um gifia lauren pointed out at a really really great talk she did at thoroblo
01:07:37.320these are two different things that are shaped ash and elm are two different trees
01:07:47.220they're not the same tree they are two different natures two very different things men and women
01:07:53.180are compatible and complementary but they are different things the very nature the very type
01:08:01.320of wood is different between men and women um and i think that that's an important but very subtle
01:08:09.800um implication of the lore at this point that there is a divine and inherent different nature
01:08:16.840to ash than there is to elm to asker versus embla so i thought that was really interesting and i'd
01:08:25.160never thought of it that way or heard that drawn out from the lore until um until uh githya lauren
01:08:32.840brought that up so i thought that was cool to interject there also lauren's got an awesome
01:08:38.040song that she made we are i am currently cracking the whip to get people to record that and
01:08:43.880disseminate it but look forward to that when when her album drops i doubt that but when we make a
01:08:51.160cool little video with her singing because she did a really good job on a really really nice
01:08:55.720song that she made and it's something i'd like us to um make use of and sing at different times
01:09:02.360different places because really well done so good job lauren anyways uh that's what i had at the
01:09:08.360at this junction yeah uh and of course we were talking about literalism and it's like how how
01:09:14.360can an ash tree and an elm tree have a child it's not literal and again there's other key important
01:09:20.360things that are said they are rootless they are floating in the water and uh in the velocity
01:09:27.480they are rootless and unfated yet um they are of that which is in creation and of the world but
01:09:35.960are shaped and are different i think one of the biggest defining factors that i always talk about
01:09:42.040with with um is is the ability for the projection of speech and the idea of being able to speak
01:09:51.560about a place you haven't been and um uh with people you you you you have not met versus say
01:10:00.360like the speech of animals that usually speaks in sense of past going someplace
01:10:07.320having to deal with and survive and then speaking to your offspring about why you should go there
01:10:14.920or should not go there um i think is another interesting point between animals and um
01:10:21.960the the human speech if you will but um when we get to the end i so one of the things guys i'm
01:10:30.920doing this from my phone so i can only juggle so much stuff so i'm not sure when you get to a
01:10:37.080chapter break when you get to a chapter break let's pause answer some of our questions kind
01:10:43.000of clear it at this hour and then we can go back into the text all right and while you're asking
01:10:49.320that the only questions we have so far from the emails y'all so if y'all want to ask questions
01:10:55.000in the chat go for it that's awesome um or email them to us that's fine too but we need questions
01:11:07.000so here's where we kind of get into the point where i think a lot of understanding
01:11:13.800of cosmology gets confused in a modern sense versus an an older and elder sense so on the
01:11:21.640middle plane in midgard there so they gave them clothing and names they named them oscar and embla
01:11:30.520and of them was mankind begotten which received a dwelling place under midgard next they made for
01:11:37.240themselves in the middle of the world a city which they called ausgarth men call it troy
01:11:46.120now nowhere else is there any mention of our nordic or germanic ancestors speaking of the
01:11:53.560center of the world where the gods live as troy so this again is re-emphasizing his point in the
01:12:01.160beginning of the book what we do know though is that the gods live in the mountains specifically
01:12:08.760because of the usage of the word him in bjorker him in heavenly bjorker mountains or a castle on
01:12:18.120top of a hill or mountain so um the point of this is is that they are in the middle of the world
01:12:28.120so they're the center of the world and they are upwards and i think that has far more importance
01:12:33.880than the literalism, but it also explains much confusion that I get from people asking questions
01:12:41.940about the lore. Like, you know, how do the gods move into Jotunheim or how do the gods get to
01:12:47.300heaven is because heaven in the heavenly expanse and heaven, the upper world of the gods is seen
01:12:56.400as that the gods are connected and, but it's never really emphasized. The only time we ever
01:13:04.180really see it is when they're mentioning that they cross over or out of, or come down from
01:13:11.480and things of that nature. So, and then we also realize from other stories that the heavenly
01:13:18.180mountains are an expanse. And we know that Troy is not built this way, but that there is an expanse
01:13:27.400upon which the gods live in this mountainous place high above the menfolk and can look out
01:13:35.620upon the world. And to get in there is hard, crossing a fiery bridge. So sticking to the,
01:13:45.820Of course, the literalism and our understanding of the world now is to be let go, but yet you can still see it's in the center and upwards.
01:13:57.880So there dwelt the gods and their kindred, and many tidings and tales of it have come to pass both on earth and aloft.
01:14:08.160There is one abode called Tleetskalf. And this one is often translated as Hildskelf, but Tleetskalf is like the jutting precipice.
01:14:23.140And it is there that Allfather, who sat in the high seat there, he looked out over the whole world and saw every man's act and knew well all things which he saw.
01:14:36.580His wife, Frigg, daughter of Fjorgven, and of their blood is to come that kindred which we call the race of the Aesir, that have peopled Elder Aosgar, and those kingdoms which pertain to it, and that is a divine race.
01:14:58.340For this reason, he must be called the All-Father, because he is the father of all the gods and men, and of all that was fulfilled of him and of his might.
01:15:10.120The earth was his daughter and his wife, and on her he begot the first son, which is Ausathor.
01:15:19.660Strength and prowess attend him, wherewith he overcomes all living things.
01:15:25.320Now, as we kind of spoke of before, these concise hits are covering other poems, and those poems speak slightly differently or just kind of in a different tempo.
01:15:40.760But it is worth noting, of course, that Frigg is born of the earth, but it's not Yarth.
01:15:50.160We don't condense the gods and we don't cram them in, but that we notice the first contact between the gods of cosmic order to the earth is with Yarth and out of Yarth, the son of heaven and earth.
01:16:07.820Of the tripartite now, we have Odin, the sky father, and he comes down and bears forth, firstly, Thor.
01:16:27.880And when we talk about marriage, you know, literalism in marriage, the idea of certain things in marriage when we talk about them in stories is about divine beings unifying together beyond just simply creation here.
01:16:41.720So to say literalism or to say that they're trying to force Frigg to be Yorth because of the common sense or standards of fidelity is kind of not the point.
01:17:01.620And that moment when he does bring forth Thor, there is the unification of natural law and cosmic order.
01:17:11.720But the daughter of the earth later, Frigg, becomes his bride.
01:17:19.560And there the earth was his, and his name was Ausathor, and the prowess attend him wherewith he could overcometh all living things.
01:17:32.580So the striker is born of the sky and the earth, and he is the the the catalyst, the the the one who defends the edges of Midgard.
01:17:52.180So we move into the break there, and then we we we have chapter or section 10.
01:17:58.860all right well if you would can you take us into our questions yes uh let's see okay so um
01:18:11.340all right uh this one comes from bodie specking good harrell uh can you speak on the aspect of
01:18:20.160sound in creation i know it's backing up a bit but i'd love for the folk to hear it
01:18:25.620Yeah, I mentioned it a little bit with the suffix yelmir or gelmir, the G-E-L-M-I-R. And we see this not only in the kin of Ymir, but we see it also for the loud whirlpool, the well of the under in Niflheim is called the loud churner, the loud spinner or torrential whirlpool.
01:18:55.620um sound is such a key element and we talk about it a lot too lord ovin synthesizing himself with
01:19:04.540the tree and following the roots all the way down until he finds the runes which are sound
01:19:13.020and that sound is in essence the the structure the the strata of creation that if there is movement
01:19:22.900there is sound and if there is sound there is action deed and creation it's that perfect
01:19:28.500synthesis between fate and will and it happens in sound uh light and um heat and wind and ice and all
01:19:38.900of these other things kind of are uh descended from the usage of sound in our lore as it's very
01:19:48.900very important but a lot of people don't catch it because it's hidden um and we see that sound that
01:19:56.500that every time there's the movement of muspelheim and niflheim to each other there's the cacophonous
01:20:02.660sound of the hissing of ice and and uh the rocketing of sparks and there is this kind of
01:20:10.260of always this hidden point of sound um it's worth noting that sound is
01:23:08.820hey, I will do this thing, I've made a commitment.
01:23:11.940thing has power it shapes hymenia on whether or not i live up to my word or i don't
01:23:18.660there's not the same concept of living up to your thought or living up to your intention
01:23:24.020or living up to your belief there's living up to your word your word is your first step towards
01:23:29.540action and magically it births into the universe we see that you know as fawn pointed out we see
01:23:35.780that with emir we see that with these yelling guttural vocalizing forces of creation and very
01:23:44.100importantly again spawn pointed this out but it has always stood out to me since the very first
01:23:49.540time i read it the idea of odin taking up the runes roaring roaring he took them up that
01:23:58.500it's profound and if you've ever done um group galder with anyone
01:24:07.140magical things happen through vocalization intonation through
01:24:15.140i'm venturing a little bit farther from the topic but i think it's worth noting that's really
01:24:22.100special something happens when you're with a group of people and you galder together
01:24:27.780with the long intonations on the vowel sounds of the rooms
01:24:33.620you find a synchronization with the people next to you and the sound makes a wave to where you all
01:24:42.260rise and fall together and you have some oddball outsiders that you know are their own special
01:24:49.460snowflake that make whatever noises but when you harmonize with everyone eventually something
01:24:57.300happens to where you're not consciously making the sound anymore your mouth your lungs are just
01:25:04.580riding this wave of sound in a really special way so some of the most magical experiences
01:25:11.860that i've had in my life revolve around that very sacred very special shaping power of sound
01:25:19.380yeah i think it's an underlying thing that definitely bodhi brings up that isn't caught
01:25:30.420all the time so it's huge in in most everything in the stories in relation to speaking pronounce
01:25:38.660or not pronouncing but uh proclaiming proclaiming speaking singing roaring it's it's everywhere um
01:25:47.780Um, this next question is kind of an interesting one. Um, uh, is there a similar concept to prosperity gospel within Ausatru? I would say yes, but, uh, you know, in a, in a different sense. And we're actually in the, um, Gilbeginning about to start going into that. I don't know if you wanted me to hit this one first or, um,
01:26:16.880hit it okay well so i kind of view um when we talk about prosperity and we were just talking
01:26:26.380about the shaping sounds of the universe that which uh lord odin finds at the core this um
01:26:33.540the shaping sound of element and movement the first one is feu feu uh as the sound of prosperity
01:26:43.060the sound of that which gives production, that reproduces or produces in plenty.
01:26:51.840So, you know, the idea of prosperity within the world as an innate structure of its creation is, I think, one of the key factors.
01:27:04.720So we have multiple ways upon which prosperity can come to, say, a person.
01:27:13.060And my understanding of the prosperity gospels is very rudimentary, but the idea is that all prosperity comes from Yahweh, and I'm basing that, my answers off of that understanding.
01:27:27.940um so i do believe that there is merit-based prosperity that and actually as we're reading
01:27:37.680the gods gather before the well of earth in heaven that central and upper place where they are at
01:27:48.300and uh they gather there and they measure out the doom of men measuring out the doom of men
01:27:57.480is not uh declaring when they're going to die doom of course in its elder usage was fate so
01:28:07.660they measure out the fate of men and they along with the normia the normia are the kind of the
01:28:16.060adjudicants of prosperity um and and that really comes from the past all things from the past and
01:28:25.400what leads you to being either fruitful or unfruitful root themselves in the origin or the
01:28:33.100pre-origin of yourself. So there's a huge one there. But that there's also the gods measuring
01:28:41.240out your doom. And when we ask the gods to witness our deeds, we are asking them to take awareness
01:28:48.800of us and what we are doing. And that is, in essence, I believe the foundation work of
01:28:58.480meritocracy. It's just written poetically. Please, you know, bear witness to the deeds that I am
01:29:04.640doing. But what we're ultimately saying is that the gods bear witness to our deeds and that we
01:29:10.720hope that we are recognized for them and whatever way that the gods deem worthy. So a lot of times
01:29:18.220we talk about how faith, adherence to the folk and to the faith, to your church, and to these
01:29:26.700things, the gods take notice of that. And the blessings may come in different ways. Again,
01:29:32.360the gods know far more than we do. And oftentimes, things that might seem like a detriment end up
01:29:38.620being a blessing later on. And that, again, is because the gods have, from the well of Urd in
01:29:45.180heaven, they have a view of fate pouring into the middle world, into the world of men from
01:29:51.580above and center. So we, you know, we see that. So there is divine blessing. There is blessing
01:30:02.580from the past deeds, which could then also kind of incorporate with divine blessing. You know,
01:30:08.580your great grandfather was blessed for his, by his deeds. And so now his, uh, descendants are,
01:30:15.180you know, given that kind of grace towards, uh, whatever that may be. Then we have, uh, prosperity
01:30:22.440in the foundations of the world and in movement, moving forth, uh, like in the Halvamal waking up
01:30:28.480early, the wolf will get his food. If he, if he tarries too long, he will miss his opportunities.
01:30:58.240They are taking in consideration our deeds that we are doing.
01:31:02.480And that, too, it comes from our descendancy, our hominia, and our overall, the might that precedes us. So not only should we take care in the deeds that we do to be noticed by the gods, to be blessed by the gods, we should also take care in leaving our descendants great luck and might and prosperity.
01:31:27.900And I don't know. I hope that answers the question. So the gods certainly can bestow upon, but it's not solely just by their decree. And I think that that's a that's something that is worth noting that, again, it can come from your past.
01:31:50.880But there's also the willful attainment of it.
01:32:12.620But we will cover in the Gilbeginning where it speaks specifically of the past and of the Norns and the Nornir and the the meaning of Nornir being witch and that there are Nornir of the gods.
01:32:27.760We know them. And then that there are other Nornir.
01:32:32.540And what this really is, is kind of a descending, stranding system of fate and past and the measuring of Haminya.0.96
01:32:41.340But we'll go into that. Do you have – I don't know if you had any thoughts on that as well.
01:32:49.280I did. So it's hard, and I think that a Christian audience that may be more familiar with prosperity gospel may take issue with my understanding of it.
01:33:06.720If I'm incorrect on it, then I apologize. But I think that's always been implicit in the understanding of most religion generally, is if you're doing it right and you're doing well with your God, then you get blessed in different ways.
01:33:33.360Now, I think that there is an element of first century Christianity where that's not the case because they celebrate, I don't know, being miserable.
01:33:46.960But I think that in European understanding, yeah, your gods bless you.
01:33:52.980Now, I don't think there's an implicit like, well, if you do all this right, everybody's going to be a multimillionaire.
01:34:00.900And you're not doing the you're not doing right action in order to get paid from your gods.
01:34:09.480But there is a understanding that you get blessings and your life is enhanced through active participation in the gift cycle and through, you know, living right.
01:34:23.480The gods give out the blessings that they, you know, so choose to give out.
01:34:30.900I think that the idea of the prosperity gospel is a little bit more contractual, and I don't think that's the case.
01:34:40.140I don't think our gods are under any obligation to, you know, shower you with wealth for being a good ostrich you are.
01:34:46.780but I do think there's absolutely blessings and benefits and ways that your
01:34:52.160life and your prosperity are enhanced through active participation in that
01:34:57.960gift cycle and through actively interacting with the gods I believe that
01:35:03.100very strongly a number of our gods that's something that they're known to
01:35:07.820do. Um, in the, you know, the archaic Alcetru period, uh, Njordr and Freyr are gods of prosperity
01:35:24.360and abundance that are known to bless their, um, their worshipers with, with wealth and
01:35:31.200with being well taken care of that way in, in ancient times, but also in the medieval period,
01:35:39.600people looked to the all father for, you know, to be more successful financially, to
01:35:46.920be risen out of, or to rise out of poverty and be blessed with a change in your fortunes.
01:35:56.320So I do think that element is there and exists.
01:36:01.200um he did run away he did spawn has has has taken leave for a moment can you read the next one
01:36:13.680i can so i figured out on my phone how to how to look at the chat room a little bit though it
01:36:18.720looks awkward and you guys gotta watch me like poke the phone and stuff um just something i've
01:36:25.040been pondering for a week or so now out of curiosity and boredom what are your thoughts
01:36:30.960both spiritually and personally on the artificial creation of life rather
01:36:37.540it is test tube babies cloning etc to give additional context how do we feel about the
01:36:47.060ability to decide an unborn baby's gender as well as hair and eye color through such methods but
01:36:56.120most importantly what effect if any do you believe it has on the folk soul of the new life that is
01:37:03.420created for example would a clone of matt be a different individual in the eyes of the ancestors
01:37:10.320and gods or would they count towards your own favor and hymenia apologies for the run-on or
01:37:18.580the run-off questions meant for context uh no apology necessary i think it's a good question
01:37:26.100what is also a truth that i say i hear a lot the answer is kind of nuanced um
01:37:34.120I think there are a variety of things to do.
01:37:40.780I think that the soul of a person is bestowed by divinity.
01:38:04.120isn't a part of the biological process it is done in the biological process but
01:38:11.260it's not if you make so and and here's another thing that I think separates it
01:38:22.720a little bit on nuance taking a sperm and an egg and then in some kind of a
01:38:32.140laboratory environment mixing sperm and egg to make a person i think that that
01:38:41.260i think that that being is capable of being blessed with soul by its ancestors and by
01:38:48.700by the gods i think that if you were to like somehow chemically produce
01:38:57.260something out of whole cloth that approximates life if you make like laboratory meat that's
01:39:05.340not real meat or i don't even know how that process works but if it's not the biological
01:39:09.820process of a existent man's sperm with an existent woman's egg making a baby if it's something else
01:39:19.980if it's some kind of you know synthetic life form is not the same and i think that's a really
01:39:27.980fundamental difference i also think going in and playing with the development of the child
01:39:39.980through some kind of envy and again i'm not a biologist so if my terminology is off on that
01:39:45.740i apologize but some kind of in vitro like you'd mentioned selecting for hair color or selecting for
01:39:53.580you could select for intelligence or select for this or that or the other all of that sounds
01:39:58.380wrong and bad and like uh but if you were to ask me the same question hey what if you could eliminate0.95
01:40:07.580childhood cancer or you could eliminate retardation or you know spinal deformity0.97
01:40:14.460i'd say no absolutely do that so i think there's room for that to be a gray area0.82
01:40:20.460i also don't think the act of doing that inherently negates the ability for that
01:40:26.860being to have a soul your issue of cloning is one that is different
01:40:34.860certainly and again if it is done through that kind of a pro not knowing the science makes it
01:40:42.620hard to answer the question right if it is a sperm and an egg being combined to make a baby
01:40:50.060then i think that might be soul worthy if it is something other than that then that's a different
01:40:58.060question to ponder i don't know exactly how cloning works so i don't know what to say on
01:41:06.620that other than certainly if they made a clone of me it would not be me it would be physically like
01:41:13.260me we may look identical but we would clearly be two very different people if the gods deemed in
01:41:19.180some way for that clone to have a soul to it it would be much more like i had an identical twin
01:41:26.860than like it was two of me that all went into the mat basket i don't it doesn't work that way we're
01:41:32.940individuals and we are very conscious and aware of our individuality even if there are points of
01:41:38.800connection like i mentioned in the twin situation you have twins that are very psychically tuned to
01:41:45.440one another there's a bond there that's not currently scientifically explainable but that
01:41:51.040we know anecdotally certainly exists but they're not the same person um
01:52:13.280I will aim not to. No, and it kind of also links to what was that tail end of what we were talking about. You know, one of the things that people might not catch to is that, like we speak of post-mortem ascension, that acceptance into Ausgarther by the God's decree is not something that everyone gets to do.
01:52:43.280That's a glaring difference, I think, between our religion and some others is the bridge to the heavenly realm is is not easily traversable.
01:52:53.360It is thin, it is it is on fire and it is for souls, you know, brought up.
01:53:00.240And there is a you know, I speak of the the the souls that travel through the route, if you will, as all routes draw up.
01:53:10.400But what I'm ultimately getting at is that the soul and the definition of the soul to the body and that the soul is important.
01:53:20.960It is important to the gods. I think it's also the reason why Nidogar is trying to destroy the third root.
01:53:27.840But all of this leads to the soul as a being moving forth from there.
01:53:41.460What we get from the lore is that the hamur is predominantly the shape of the soul.
01:53:50.680so the hammer is that which is underneath um and it's the the when you get a phantom limb and you
01:54:01.220have the scratch on the phantom limb it's the the presence of body but it's not simply scientific
01:54:08.000it can be that which exudes into the room some people's hammer they go far beyond simply their
01:54:17.440shape. Um, and they can fill that room. I think it's, of course, we talked about it during the
01:54:23.000soul, uh, conversation of VNS, the closer that one's com compiled soul gets to the woad self,
01:54:31.480all components become something more and they become more perfect. Not that it's going to make
01:54:40.740you suddenly not age, but that you are, uh, perfect in your age, if you will. Um, and the
01:54:48.540woad self kind of exudes that. Um, I think about that oftentimes when like, uh, founder McNallan's
01:54:54.580like running up the hill or doing pushups past me. And I'm like, Oh, it's cause the woad, that0.84
01:55:00.240woad self is, is top. It's like running on all cylinders. But, um, the, the idea of it is,
01:55:08.940is that the soul is important to the body
01:55:36.740of like ghostly images and we talk about this is um hammer can grow at at a moment especially
01:55:44.980distressing moments so sometimes when you see like we were talking about ghosts and things in
01:55:50.100one vns i just can't remember which one and we're talking about how like we're on a civil war
01:55:55.460battlefield you see the ghostly image of a soldier kind of moving and then they disappear
01:56:02.420and we were talking about basically hammer growing and imprinting itself leaving its its residue to
01:56:10.020repeat through the strands of all time um and i don't necessarily believe that they've lost
01:56:18.020their entire shape it's just again that it's the imprinting it's that the beam of light that
01:56:23.620makes the shadow and that shadow uh burns itself into the stone um but the hammer as a after
01:56:34.980death interconnected to the world around not only um to the afterlife that you know passing away
01:56:44.740and then having strange occurrences and i've seen and had this happen to me um where someone passes
01:56:51.780and i know they've passed because something strange in the physical world around me reflects
01:56:57.940that uh and you know that these the the point of consciousness as being both viscerally real
01:57:07.220and energy or sound um so having something happen i believe comes from the hammer of that person
01:57:17.540and they don't go unnoticed when they pass and then when they do finally recede and go beyond
01:57:26.000the veil and they are embraced by their ancestors that they go forth in Hamr and that Hamr can be
01:57:35.180again greatly diminished or volumized by their deeds and who they are and they're bearing forth
01:57:42.960in their soul their consciousness of mind their memories their deeds their are their hummingya
01:57:51.920and that this is all done as a vehicle of power in the philkia philkia being animation power
01:58:01.360um that which kind of again animates you even beyond your physical form and it's here in your
01:58:07.920your physical form but it that's what your muscles are doing your philkia is that animated power
01:58:13.540beyond that uh you you carry with you it is with you it is a part of you it is the thing that moves
01:58:20.640you on and as you move on and you if you reside amongst the ancestors or if you are drawn up
01:58:27.360to the gods and allocated to be um a dc or an alvar or if you remain amongst them in the heavenly
01:58:36.800realm that it is your hammer and your uh soul containments the other components that that is
01:58:45.740who you are um if there was physicality I mean it's not mentioned but you know I don't know if
01:58:55.220the concept of being in one realm gives you physicality once you come to another realm
01:59:01.700that's not really mentioned in the lore so I'm trying to kind of speak from that but would I be
01:59:06.780Again, we're trying to be intellectually and spiritually honest with our folk, that the clergy are always gearing towards that, where if that was somehow known or discovered or understood, I wouldn't say that that was wrong or terrible.
01:59:27.660But I believe that many of the parts of the soul that are encapsulated in the leek or in the body are capable of growing bigger and are unrestrained once released from the physical body.
01:59:44.920So I would say Hamr or shape. And it is vitki or like sorcerers who have the ability to project their Hamr, to place them in dreams or to place them in people's visions or to place them in the real world, perhaps in other ways and shapes.
02:00:09.360that, you know, is a tell that their hammer is strong
02:00:15.460and that they have built this presence
02:00:20.060off of tutelage and dedication and obligation
02:00:27.080and deep reverence and belief and moving forward
02:01:50.640just like i don't think the gods are physically sitting somewhere on like physical chairs made
02:02:00.380out of wood or whatever they're gods they can be if they want to or whatever that is
02:02:05.760but i don't think their primary existence is a physical one um so uh and spawn mentioned i think
02:02:12.940that you know depending upon your lack of a better term your powers after death then sure
02:02:20.660perhaps you can project your your hammer in a way that's perceptible perhaps in a special
02:02:28.200circumstance there's some sort of a physical component to it but no i don't think that's
02:02:32.480the primary it's not it's not like in some other faiths where we find ourselves resurrected on a
02:02:38.540different planet with like a physical meat body on that planet. Um, but again, if that's what our
02:02:46.880gods want to do with us, I'm sure that they are capable of making that happen, but I don't think
02:02:51.340that's the standard order of things. But that said, let's get back into the text for a little
02:02:57.920that okay yeah and for everybody that is asking questions we're uh you know we're doing uh the
02:03:08.480lore and answering questions and then now we're we're jumping back into the lore so if you want
02:03:12.960answers to the questions stick around and we will definitely get to them so we kind of jump back to
02:03:19.920the ordering of the the world the cosmos and i i refer to this as the gra the rotational movement
02:03:29.920of the earth as we now understand it in its spherical form but um we we see here this is the
02:03:38.560coming of the day and the night uh the arrival of day and nowt so norvi or norvi is the name
02:03:49.440of the giant that dwelt in jotunheim he had a daughter called not she or night she was swarthy
02:04:00.160and dark as befitted her race she was given to uh the man named nail fatty which is interesting
02:04:09.520because that's another word used elsewhere but we'll talk about that and they had their son
02:04:15.760afterward she was wedded to him that was called onar and yard the earth was her daughter last
02:04:27.920of all was day spring and had her and she and he was of the race of the icier their son was day
02:04:38.560so in this understanding one is that um very much as we've read in like the volsung saga
02:04:45.600when a woman and a man get married and they have children and offspring and then say the
02:04:50.320husband dies or somehow there there is a a split or um something happens and the queen or the the
02:04:59.280woman the the high woman she would marry in and have children we see this with in in the volsung
02:05:05.520sagas with sigfried or sigrid the dragon slayer and so on what we see in our stories especially
02:05:11.680in this period is again the same sense of telling of this so there is the origin of naught which
02:05:19.760again the night the dark i think is very very important and gives birth to the earth in a sense
02:05:28.320of animation because yard is not the earth yard is that with a kind of a dominion over the earth
02:05:40.240just like uh sol is not the star the sun but given dominion over it and mauni is not the physical
02:05:49.440rock of the moon but is given dominion over it so all of these elements are brought forth by
02:05:56.000primordial things emir uh the muspel spark the the crags of niflheim but that the gods are
02:06:04.240are placed in dominion over them in the ordering and structuring so from her uh yard is is is given
02:06:15.280that dominion over and we talked about too the usage of the word jotin and how the alignment
02:06:23.120towards the gods obviously the gods and jotens are deeply intertwined um but that the the usage
02:06:31.660of the word joten by snorri um is interesting because it goes from antagonist to ally and so
02:06:41.740you know generally we refer to a lot of the uh allyship as oust veneer the most beloved ones
02:06:48.820um but she um she gives force uh she gets together with delinger who is day spring and together as
02:06:59.900he is of the race of the ice here because there are many gods that are spoken of being born um
02:07:06.940it's just that the the main focus is towards oldenville and vey but again the birthing of
02:07:14.120the gods and the war between the gods, it speaks about how there are many gods who are lost. So
02:07:20.460our gods are powerful and are organic in the sense that, not biologically, but that they ebb and flow
02:07:30.540in their number based on the clashing of these forces, these great powerful things coming
02:07:37.400together. And here we see the union of night and day spring being forth day. And then here's
02:07:46.320the important thing. The all father took night and day, her son, and gave them two horses and
02:07:54.820two chariots and sent them up into the heavens to ride round about the earth every two and a half
02:08:03.340days night rides before with the horse named frosty mane or prim foxy which most people get
02:08:11.500confused they think of the name of maunee's horse um which i will get to later on um and on each
02:08:19.740morning he bedews the earth with the foam from his bit and bridle and the how the horse of the day
02:08:25.900It's called sheen mane or skeen foxy, and he illuminates all the air and the earth from his mane.
02:08:34.760So one of the big things about that is the the the wording of the two horses, the two horses, two chariots, the two horses and two chariots versus, say, two horses and and one chariot.
02:08:51.900but the the idea of uh celestial movement through horses is very important and we will find later
02:09:01.940that maunee's horse is not named one of my favorite things to do if we were ever like
02:09:07.100long ago we would do in an old kindred of mine we would do lore kind of battles if you will
02:09:14.160and one of the favorite things that i love to do was to say name maunee's horse and if they know
02:09:20.680the Lord, they know the horse is not named. But I think that's, again, leaning towards the truths
02:09:27.480that the gods placed in the stories. When we talk about day and night, now we are talking about the
02:09:35.620revolution of the earth, the turning of the earth. Two horses go to the sun, and we know that the sun,
02:09:44.520the spark moves, it turns. There is, but one horse to Mountie and it is unnamed. And that's
02:09:51.720because its rotation is not based on itself. It's based on the earth. And I think that the gods
02:10:01.680placed that truth like many others in the stories. And I talk a lot about that in classes at
02:10:10.920but you know when you when you present these points some folks again read things literally
02:10:17.040and they don't see um that the the evolution of the of the truth within mythos is powerful because
02:10:25.820it's not literal and that there are things that i think we don't understand now that will make
02:10:31.540plenty of sense in our lore to our descendants but as we see and most importantly understood
02:10:38.940the gods give and place dominion, that Lord Odin sets up the rotations of all dynamic things in our
02:10:51.920world around us. And you see this in Grimnismal and you see this in Fathrudnismal when they speak
02:11:00.040of the sun and the moon, that they are shared by all realms is because the gods are in the center
02:11:11.920of our world and upon the heavenly mountains in their valley where they have the tree and
02:11:19.480Ausgard. And then, you know, there's the Neithervel where the Svartalf live in here and the sun and
02:11:26.540the moon move about them uh and they have different names by all of the denizens of the
02:11:33.080different realms so that's another thing that a lot of people get confused on is why why do the
02:11:38.060um different realms and i think that's because they get in their mind that somehow
02:11:42.800the the the like there's like a a realm on each end of a root i've seen that depiction i've seen
02:11:50.000the shish kebab uh yggdrasil we're like ausgard's on top midgard's in the middle and then uh
02:11:56.880everything else is kind of at the bottom um and that's a i think a product of that misunderstanding
02:12:04.320so we see that everything in rotation is made and brought forth in alignment and the gods make order
02:12:11.760and that's why when we say the icier are the gods of order is because they are making eternal order
02:12:19.120Whereas the Vanir are gods of natural law because they concern themselves with love, reproduction, children, and even to the laying of the dead and or the ending of life, the fact that the physical body must end.
02:12:37.320they do this for all things it's just that uniquely our ending and our soul goes to the0.94
02:12:46.040ancestral collective that is telgar and i think that's another uh big differentiation between us
02:12:53.720and say like animals or fauna of the earth um so we move into section 11
02:13:02.600of sol and mauni then said gangleri how does he govern the course of the sun or the moon
02:13:14.100howard answered a certain man was named mundul fari spinning traveler who had two children
02:13:22.900they were so fair and calmly that he called his son moon and his daughter sun and wedding
02:13:31.680her to the man named Glenn. Both of the gods were incensed at the insolence and took the brother
02:13:40.960and the sister and set them up in the heavens. They caused sun to drive those horses and drew
02:13:48.160the chariot of the sun, which the gods had fashioned from the world's illumination, from that
02:13:54.080glowing stuff of muspelheim which i always try to remind people is it is the primordial sparks
02:14:02.480of muspelheim but now in dominion of but i also spoke about how snorty was greatly um influenced
02:14:12.320by hellenistic stories and there is another version of this story written from the school
02:14:18.560that's from snorty um that is not that it was a man and a and his children and that the gods were
02:14:27.440upset that he named them but that they are gods themselves so that's an interesting point and i
02:14:34.880think that this is just again leaning heavily towards uh hellenistic literature when it was
02:14:41.440being composed um but the sun uh is is brought to dominion over the spark and drives um the chariot
02:14:52.720of the sun which the gods had fashioned from the world's for the world's illumination from that
02:14:58.880glowing stuff which flew out of muspelheim those horses are called early waker and all strong
02:15:06.480which again these translations i have some issues with as uh out of arker could also mean
02:15:14.320our year waker or season waker and uh is very fast or very swift and under the shoulders of
02:15:24.080these horses the gods set two wind bags two bellows to cool this spark but in some records
02:15:33.280that it is so-called iron coolness and there's another reference elsewhere in our stories that
02:15:42.000uh soul or sun or sunna carries a shield upon which to block the heat of the sun
02:15:51.120and i find that very interesting recently scientists um found what they consider a
02:15:57.280radiational helios shield in between um the earth and the sun and i thought that was very interesting
02:16:07.520um so we can kind of again i am of of belief that these stories hold deep intrinsic truths they
02:16:15.520have been influenced by other things but that there's uh stuff that it comes to our understanding
02:16:22.400and the gods are uh purposely uh intending that they they knew that they would return and that
02:16:29.680when they did return much of the wisdom that we needed to gain connection with them was left in
02:16:35.520the seeds that i think lord othen specifically kept around um so we move to the moon now the moon
02:16:45.040steers the course of the moon so mauni steers the course of the that object the moon um and determines
02:16:55.760its waxing and waning he took from the earth two children bill and hukki bill is a feminine0.56
02:17:04.000and hukki and they went from that well called birgir bearing on their shoulders a cask they0.51
02:17:12.800called sayer uh and it was on a pole named symbol the the cask is like a bucket or a stone uh
02:17:24.480vat and um their father is named uh these children follow the moon as may be seen from
02:17:34.000the earth now this of course is an astrological thing where we get every now and then in our
02:17:39.840stories a glimpse into our ancestors view of astrological um patterning and the naming and
02:17:47.440cultural tradition of it fiazi's um eyes or um arvandil's toe or here the the the uh
02:17:59.600little boy and little girl carrying a pail of water um and jill and jack or bill and hukki
02:18:09.840But I think it's also very important to know that every time we ever in the stories when they speak of a vat or a cauldron or anything of that ilk, a horn, is that it is the sum of a contained and functional power.
02:18:27.760And I really do believe this is the ebbing and expanding tide. So that there is this deeper understanding of the ebbing tide and the rising tide moving and that connection through the vat as a connection through the primordial and contained power of water gravitational pull and a lot of that.
02:18:56.320But it's still very interesting that Jack and Jill may very well have come from their connection between Bill and Hyukki, the two children carrying a pail of water.
02:19:09.420I don't want to say it because I've seen other written pieces of it where they are walking upon a hill and they are taken up by the moon.
02:19:26.320And so we clearly see there's a very deep cultural lore there that we're only getting a glimpse of it. But symbolically, the cauldron and the male and female or the projection and the reception of energy.
02:19:44.540And I think that that lends a lot to Mouni's power over water of the earth or the blood of Ymir.0.71
02:19:53.640But that's how things are set about.0.95
02:19:58.660And then we move to section 12 of the swallowing of the sun by the wolf.
02:20:03.960Then said Gangleri, well, the sun fares swiftly and almost as if she were afraid.
02:20:09.900she could not hasten her course any the more if she feared her destruction then howard made answer
02:20:18.680it is no marvel that she has hastened so furiously close cometh he that seeks her and she has no
02:20:26.580escape save to run away then said gang larry well who is this that causes her such disquiet
02:20:34.580And Howell replies, it is two wolves, and he that runs after her is called Skol.
02:25:19.000It is people that scoff at any great endeavor
02:25:24.140And if people that just sit back and criticize and have hatred and scorn, those forces are what stamps out the light in our world.
02:25:38.480Those are the things that threaten all of our forward progress in development, in achievement, in victory, in cosmic progression, is the critic and the mocker and those that scoff at any attempt at great achievement.
02:25:58.400I don't think it's any small thing that those are the names of those two very particular wolves that seek to devour the sun and the moon.
02:26:07.360And again, our ancestors didn't think there's big wolves eating the sun and the moon. They weren't silly, you know, mud hut folks. They're very advanced people.1.00
02:26:21.180But the idea that these devouring forces of, again, of criticism and of mockery are what threaten our existence and our moving forward as people.
02:26:38.620And that's never been more true than it is today.
02:26:41.340So I wanted to make a point of that.0.84
02:26:43.040Yeah, and I don't think it's accidental, too, that in the slaying of Ymir, that the gods made enemies of many of the ancient beings that are the Yotnar, and that in an essence reflective of their ordering of the world and creation of things,0.60
02:27:03.260There is the mockery and the hatred of those that once reigned in the time of Ymir, hating and scathing against the gods in their ordering of things anew.0.58
02:27:20.460um and you know you see that kind of i think that that relationship is established and was
02:27:29.440understood by our ancestors and that there was that understanding that when the kinslayer
02:27:34.780laid with uh anger boda that she was of that ilk and that she was filled and that our children are
02:27:44.960begot of the two of us uh so if if you know two parents get together and have children the children
02:27:51.600are a production of the two and the kinslayer is that fomenting hatred that builds over time and
02:27:59.840hers is just the scathing you know then she gives birth forth to these forces that are antithetical
02:28:06.620to the gods and um you know so uh beauty creation light order formation are hated against and are
02:28:19.820give you know scathing cynicism against so um so it says the they are called the ironwood women
02:28:32.040The old witch bears many giant sons, all in the shape of wolves, and from their source are these wolves that sprung.
02:28:39.180The saying runs thus, from this race shall come one that shall be mightiest of all, and he that is named moon hound.0.84
02:28:51.140He shall be filled with the flesh of all those men that die, and he shall swallow the moon and sprinkle with blood the heavens and all the air.
02:29:01.100thereof shall the sun lose her shining and the winds in the day shall be unquiet and roar on
02:29:08.660every roar on every side so it says in the velust bow eastward dwells the old one in ironwood
02:29:17.940and there she gives birth to fenrir's brethren and there shall spring from them all a certain0.97
02:29:24.480one the moon's taker in trolls likeness troll is probably the best word i would say for demon
02:29:38.000demon is a greek word obviously christianity took it from the european language but they
02:29:44.320were trying to translate their semitic idea of a shadim but words change and evolve over time
02:29:54.480um whereas just like with the troll the word has kind of become something more diminutive
02:29:59.820or strictly elemental and there's like a hard hard to define the difference between yachting
02:30:05.520and troll but um troll is absolutely aggressive and uh and a a threat um and this of course is
02:30:18.900the wolf um now there is a lot of comparison between happy um skull and fenris as even fenris
02:30:31.620is said to uh have a mouth that gapes to the heaven and to the earth and will will consume
02:30:37.860um the sky or consume the sun so what you get is a lot of confusion um as to who is who but i
02:30:46.260again this is i believe very clear is this is not just fenris fenris is you know waiting for the
02:30:55.860gods for ragnarok but there is still more forces darker out there uh constantly in pursuit and one
02:31:05.540must keep moving the gods set things into order so that they could last and uh even cosmic order
02:31:13.620is pursued by cosmic destruction if you will um
02:31:22.260and so it says in the volus bow he's or sorry excuse me uh the moon taker in trolls likeness
02:31:29.380he is filled with flesh of fey men reddens the gods seats with ruddy blood gouts swart becomes
02:31:38.100sunshine so darkness becomes the sunshine uh in summer thereafter and whether all shifty0.97
02:31:46.820wit ye yet or what and this is of course coming from the vulva in the volus bow but um
02:31:55.940the uh we do not lump even uh beings together in this sense so we're not lumping skull and
02:32:05.780hathi into fenris oh they're all just fenris no i i am of the belief that they are separate entities
02:32:12.980sourcing from the same place which is the bringer of calamity or um angrabold the the one who bids0.81
02:32:24.420forth terrible things um so then we move into 13 about bivrost uh then said ganglady
02:32:35.780hey i'm sorry about that guys oh i'm trying to help with the last bit of moving heavy things
02:32:44.540while i'm listening here and staying in but it makes me a little bit late on the draw one thing
02:32:50.000that i think is really really important to pay attention to when we look at the bad guys
02:32:55.180the meta-narrative that is essential to our folk of order versus chaos the0.98
02:33:08.380the bad yotnar are uh eightens or items and they're they're consumers they're eaters1.00
02:33:20.580They're devourers. When we look at the wolves, we see this imagery of, well, with Jarmungandr, we see constraint. And with the wolves, we see consumption, devouring, destruction through digestion.1.00
02:33:38.620our gods and the you know the good guys are about building are about development are about
02:33:50.520order from chaos beauty growth abundance expansion and the forces of chaos are about
02:34:01.380destruction they're about destruction about devouring about constraining about holding
02:34:07.620things back and it's very important to note these themes that run through all of the understanding
02:34:14.500in our great lore about you know pretty pretty big meta narratives about building and achieving
02:34:24.420and being noble and structured and ordered versus chaos versus division into smaller and smaller
02:34:35.460pieces versus all of the things that hold us back through strife amongst kinsmen, through
02:34:45.360cynicism, through mockery, through just chaotic destruction, burning it down, devouring it,
02:34:52.460all of those impulses being associated with Jotunar and with Loki and with the forces
02:34:59.520of of chaos and our gods are defined by their ability to shape to create and to build ordered
02:35:09.840things a lot of the meta-narrative too is about the society of the gods and of the folk and the
02:35:19.160threats to that society the threats to the innengard the threats to the inner yard or the
02:35:25.500kin fence. All the outside forces that seek to devour or the internal forces that seek to mock
02:35:34.760and to tear down, those are the things to stand guard against. Those are the things that we're
02:35:41.880warned against time and time again in our lore. And they're pointed out really clearly, I think,
02:35:47.180through this expression of our lore. So it's something to just keep an eye on and keep a
02:35:54.460mind towards. All right, so we move into Bivrost.
02:47:59.940Then strode all the mighty to the seats of judgment, the gods most holy, and together they held counsel.1.00
02:48:08.100Who should of the dwarves shape the peoples?1.00
02:48:10.880from the bloody surge of the blue one's bones they made many in man's likeness the dwarves in1.00
02:48:18.000the earth as durin said so first off to bear in mind this is the from the bloody surge of imir
02:48:26.960there is the shaping of the dwarves and the dwarves are so integral to mythos especially
02:48:35.240in the crafting of weapons and the teaching of wisdoms but also to their antagonism um their
02:48:42.460sense of ultra grounding versus say celestial divinity and light they are kind of the opposite
02:48:49.060of that but not necessarily always in an evil sense um but as durin said so there are stories
02:48:57.560that i am fairly certain we have lost in particular its connection to the dwarves and how
02:49:07.300later on we'll speak about yggdrasil and in yggdrasil there are four deer or hearts that
02:49:14.600trample amongst the tree uh the limbs eating the leaves and interestingly enough all four of them
02:49:21.260have dwarven names, but we don't have a story surviving of that. Um, but, uh, then it goes
02:49:31.500into the naming of the dwarves and it's, uh, and these, as says, uh, the Sybil or the, the,
02:49:42.760the cirrus the vulva are their names knee and uh let me let me find the actual knee needy
02:49:52.260northery southery austri vestry we've already um covered uh the east north or east west uh north
02:50:01.480and south um so just to give you a like a the meaning of their names like um
02:50:24.760Dvalin is the dormant or the sleeping one. Thorin is the defiant. Bivir is the trembler. Bavir is the grumbler.
02:50:41.160um and uh thror is the spurt or the spout um the glowing one the artisan uh nori is the old
02:50:52.760like old salt uh or the the the rock that's been washed by the waves or the water um so we see
02:51:00.920these names uh like our killi killi means like a wedge that would you know to cut um for cutting
02:51:07.980wood but all of these names deeply connect themselves to earth functions earth manifestations
02:51:16.860crags um lava and and the breaking or the rumbling or grumbling of the earth
02:51:24.140um and of course to the the land like the place in which bodies the uh dawan his name it means
02:51:32.300the dead um uh heptifili is the file or the one who grinds down slowly um so we see a lot of that
02:51:43.900but a couple of other things we see gandalf is coming here soon and a lot of folks are
02:51:50.700under the misconception that gandalf is a haiti of lord odin and um it is not it is attested only
02:51:57.740as the name of a um dvergar so just thought that was um worth mentioning since a lot of people
02:52:06.620kind of on the internet will say oh yeah that's a it's a haiti of lord ovin no the character
02:52:14.700that tolkien made was clearly made in image of lord ovin but the name is is uh from the dvergatal
02:52:23.820Um, so, uh, and, and these proceed from Svaurin's Hauger, um, so Svaurin's, uh, mound, and to Aurvanger on, uh, your plain, and thence is Lovarkam, and these are their names, so they're descended in these houses or clans.
02:57:23.980And that's something to consider as well.
02:57:26.560Virgelmer is the well of primordial source.
02:57:29.060So the taproot of Yggdrasil comes from there. It is the first root because it is the oldest root, just like the first son is the eldest of three sons. So the third root is in heaven. That is the establishment of that place and its dominion.
02:57:47.720and it's the the gods and the tree are one out of the original tripartite adumla emir have changed
02:57:56.840and have been fashioned and moved but yggdrasil remains and the gods are there with it and that
02:58:02.840is their dominion and the third root of the ash stands in heaven and under that root is a well
02:58:09.480which is very holy now bear in mind it's not like an enclosed well it's like a well spring because
02:58:16.920what what's described next is very important and it wouldn't make a lot of sense if you think of
02:58:22.600it as like a brick well with a bucket um the wellspring which is very holy that is called the
02:58:31.640well of other there the gods hold their tribunal that's where they gather to counsel each day the
02:58:38.120i see a ride thither up over bivrost so they come from ausgard or either wall or the flat
02:58:46.440plane upon which they have built their place and they take this the bridge up into or elevated
02:58:53.800part of heaven where the tree is and there they gather to counsel and they give judgment
02:59:02.280uh not anywhere they don't gather to counsel and give the measure of doom doom of men's soul
02:59:08.840in hell guard or the underworld that's you know and your filca being your lawyer is kind of
02:59:17.080very reminiscent of a uh egyptian kind of thing but i've i've heard people say it and i it's very
02:59:23.400hard to you know scratch my head around especially when it is so clear here um that the gods gathered
02:59:29.560to council in the upper well and i believe that the well springs as skeins of water are representative
02:59:37.080of movement through the realms like looking into the well is the well of urd the well of fate is
02:59:44.280looking into all creation and um all creation breaks down and flows into the well of memory
02:59:51.320but um here uh they gather at the well of erd and give their tribunal and they they go over their
03:00:01.960bridge icer bridge as uh bivrost is also known and these are the names of the steeds now they
03:00:10.280leave their either wall where their their uh individual halls are and gather together and ride
03:00:18.440their horses their cosmic their vehicles um their dominion and uh movement in in the world but
03:00:28.600poetically and also culturally it was important to name them and the names have great meaning um
03:00:37.800and these names are the names of the icers steeds slepmir is the best which odin has
03:00:44.920he has eight feet the second is gladder or happy or joyful joyful riding uh which i think is very
03:00:52.680interesting because there is a name in greek that also means joyful horse it's the word philip
03:00:58.520philly opus so the idea of a happy or joyous riding horse or a horse that is happy and anybody
03:01:07.400who knows horses knows a happy horse is a good horse mean ones are terrible um in iceland we say
03:01:13.080we only eat the mean ones um you could understand the reasoning behind the happy or glather as a
03:01:20.680name uh giller and glenner the fifth is skade brimmer and the sixth is silver and topper
03:01:31.000obviously silver top uh the seventh is sinner and the eight is gissel and the ninth is foul
03:01:42.860The tenth is guldtopper, which is Heimdall's horse, golden hair.
03:01:48.540And the eleventh is letfitti, balder's horse, who was burnt with him.
03:01:54.740And Thor walks to judgment and wades those rivers, which are called thus.
03:01:59.660So this is another part that throws a lot of people off, where they think that in order for the gods to give judgment, they must leave heaven.
03:02:07.720But instead, they're failing in the recognition that there are the heavens in the heavenly rivers, the worldly rivers, and then the rivers below. And those are mentioned in the Grimnismal, even though their separation is not really allocated.
03:02:24.040We do know of the Alvigar, the 11 waves or the 11 rivers in the underworld.
03:02:30.280Then the other rivers equate out to 11 in heaven and 11 in the middle world, but two of them split twain.
03:02:41.420He leaves out of Ithaval to go to the tree, but he cannot take the bridge.
03:02:48.820He must walk over or he will shatter the bridge and then meet them there at the tree in heaven.
03:02:56.720And this has led people to think that somehow they're leaving heaven and going into the underworld to do this.
03:03:03.280He walks and wades through those rivers called Kormt and Ormt, which you'll notice all of the heavenly rivers, like Thund, which goes around Valhall, is strength.
03:03:16.700Uh, Kormt is cooling and Ormt is serpentine. They're not very, um, they're, they're very
03:03:27.500kind of broad in their description of understanding. They, um, don't usually in the heavenly
03:03:33.980rivers are described as being like, there's the, the garlic or the, the, the river of
03:03:40.040medicine because the garlic was such an important part of um of uh medicine but there's the oak
03:03:47.820river the judgment river but then when you get to the rivers of mankind they're the rivers like
03:03:52.600the river upon which the people sail or the the one that they fish upon and then when you look
03:03:57.740at the under rivers they're like battle wound and uh you know cacophonous um like thunderer or just
03:04:06.240you know monstrously loud um and so you kind of see these poetic differences in the rivers
03:04:12.400as they're placed in the upper um heavenly realm the middle realm or the lower realm
03:04:19.920and um balder's horse is burnt with him and thor walks the judgment in ways excuse me and
03:04:26.320the rivers that are called thus corned and orc the cooling one and the serpentine one
03:04:31.600So again, the idea of seeing the kind of like shish kebab version where the gods have to leave Ausgard because Ausgard and heaven are one and the same.
03:05:00.240But Ausgarðr is in heaven just as Helgarðr is in Niflheim, at the edge of Niflheim.0.82
03:05:08.820And Midgarðr is the place within the other fields of Jotunheim, Vanaheim, Niflheim, and Muspelheim.
03:05:18.380And it's protected in these expansive places.
03:05:22.080so the rivers are these heavenly rivers that Thor must wade through to go to the base of the tree
03:05:29.500and gather with the others. Then said Gangliri, does fire burn over Bivrost? And Haur replied,
03:05:38.340that which thou seest to be red in the bow or the bow is burning fire and there the hill giants
03:05:45.380might go up to heaven if passage on Bivrost were open to all those who could cross.
03:05:50.600There are many fair places in heaven, and over everything there, God-like watch is kept.
03:05:58.380A hall stands there, fair, and under the ash by the well, and out of that shall come three maids,
03:06:06.020who are called thus, Urður, Vrdandi, and Skald.
03:06:11.800The source, or that which, that is of the past, that which comes from the source,
03:06:18.740that which is now, and that which is the price of now. These maids determine the periods of men's0.84
03:06:27.820lives, and we call them nornir. But there are many norns, those who come to each child that is born0.99
03:06:37.620to appoint his life. And these are of the race of the gods, but the second are of elf people,1.00
03:06:44.360and the third are of the kindred of the dwarves, as it is said here.
03:06:50.960Most sundered in birth, I say, the Norns are.0.76
03:07:38.560And so I'm of the belief in this interpretation that the Nornir application title given to the ones of elf and of elf kind, referring to Alvar in a descendancy, is the Desir.
03:07:55.620And that the Dvergar have their own maidens and forefathers of fate, their own progenitors determining and helping with their fate forward, just like the gods are determinant of the fate of the three.
03:08:13.580and then gangleri says if the norms determine the fates or the weirds of men as it is written
03:08:23.320then they appropriation exceedingly unevenly seeing that some have a pleasant and luxurious
03:08:30.840life but others have little worldly goods or fame some have a long life and others short
03:08:37.060And Hauer said, good norms and of honorable race appoint good life.
03:08:43.660But those men that suffer evil fortunes are governed by evil norms.
03:08:49.040So one of the big things about this is the adornation of blessings, say, from your Haminya, from your past, from your Nornir.
03:09:04.380and when we see this in the sagas we see a an example of how the nornir can be good or bad
03:09:11.820depending on pretty much your deeds is that there is uh in the saga he is having a long-standing
03:09:20.460war with another gentleman and he decides he's going to attack him and his wife has a dream
03:09:26.940about the norniers coming or excuse me he has a dream about his norniers coming half of them are
03:09:32.780wearing white and the other half are wearing black and his wife interprets this that this will turn
03:09:40.380bad because she's basically saying your nornir have always given you goodness and now the dark
03:09:48.220half is is a sign that you are at a a fulcrum point and that this decision is going to open up
03:09:56.060to your nornir turning your fate towards your your death and i think that there is a lot of
03:10:01.820confusion in the way that people view uh the word nor near the word alvar and how um the connections
03:10:10.700that the dc or the norns of our past and the alvar of our past blood have in uh disseminating
03:10:22.300their the hummingya that which is not only made by us but given to us from our forefathers and so0.66
03:10:31.500speaking on this is that again if if you do evil in this world the nornir give you that evil fate
03:10:40.620and it that also passes down to your children so you know be of honorable and noble and goodly
03:10:50.700and uh work towards that that's that hamina trans uh transference so that brings us to the last um
03:10:58.460of this section um and then we do you know it will reiterate more as we go on more dwarves
03:11:08.900and on uh yggdrasil and uh many things are are spoken again that's your go that you
03:11:18.740i i saw your the screen go out for a second there i
03:11:24.080check and see you're back okay i am back and i appreciate that we've gone through
03:11:30.820i don't know i think a lot of meaty things so far tonight for some reason you're uh it's hard to hear
03:11:40.780you i don't i don't know if that's the universal thing or just hard on your own oh nick no it's
03:11:50.340not it's something you're covering up the mic or something it feels like okay am i now you're good
03:11:57.620i can hear you there okay uh sorry guys next week i'll be back to my normal setup hopefully and not
03:12:23.680Yes, I see many proponents for that, but I also see that often it's overemphasized and then other things are lost.
03:12:35.480Lord Odin is the god of our folk consciousness, and there is the sense of mastery.
03:12:42.620we've spoken about it in the woad self or the the other attaining the other and lord odin's name
03:12:50.140is olden it's again that that which inspires drives or um encapsulates our perfect version
03:12:59.980um and i so i don't think that that's coincidental in any way and of course he gives older in the
03:13:05.980mead of poetry um and it's you know even freya has older that that pinnacle um whatever it is
03:13:15.420that the other being either the the attainment of that perfect thing like like a chalice or
03:13:21.900the the attainment of um the like the the jewel we we've we've heard in mythos and stories about
03:13:31.420the attainment of the the the one object that exemplifies perfection and it often is in the
03:13:40.620the word older and so lord odin is i believe observing perhaps teaching and helping some
03:13:51.100folks who have a relationship with them but the observance of our souls to attain other
03:13:58.220so that they can be brought up and placed in his hall or placed in heaven to aid the gods in their
03:14:06.140furtherances against chaos i think that's also why nidogger is trying to tear that root um is
03:14:13.020because any passage that helps souls formulate themselves better on midgard must be destroyed
03:14:21.180and that lord odin is is doing that and one of those ways i think is a lot is through self mastery
03:14:27.180but oftentimes people will say he's faustian that he um makes deals in order to gain the the benefits
03:14:36.540of things but bear in mind a lot of that happens to save the other ice here to stave off ragnarok
03:14:42.940to save humanity um many of the sacrifices made by lord odin aren't simply just for the self and i
03:14:50.140the only reason why i bring that up is because it's often overlooked that he is desperately
03:14:56.860staving off extending that time it's the one time where fate and will are in complete clash
03:15:03.660with each other and lord othen is riding that skein and in that time he is staving off calamity
03:15:11.740of ragnarok for the icier for for the folk and so a lot of those sacrifices aren't simply selfish
03:15:20.140sacrifices. Even upon Yggdrasil, placing himself and synthesizing himself on Yggdrasil,
03:15:29.700the mastery of the self and the power that is gained is good, but the purpose of finding the
03:15:35.780core powers of creation, the sounds, aid the gods, and they pass it on to men.
03:15:43.420so it's not always selfish um and i think that that's not emphasized enough but
03:15:54.620i agree for the most part yes the self-mastery is a huge uh component of lord odin and attaining
03:16:02.900the other yeah i i'm always i'm always hesitant to you know so and so is the god
03:16:13.020of x because i don't ever want to be limiting odin is the god or a god of lots and lots of things
03:16:21.260one of those things is certainly self-mastery i think mastery generally and i think that a
03:16:27.980large component in overall mastery you know one of the supreme components of it is mastery of self
03:16:35.900so certainly i think odin is a god of self-mastery undoubtedly
03:16:43.020You brought up, too, which I never thought of until you brought it up, about the mastery over, like, Gary and Frecki, and that symbolic of why they're at his heels.
03:21:16.980And that's where I, you know, I kind of feel sometimes mistaken communication isn't always a mistake, if you will, but brought about to us because of our perceptions being miscued.
03:21:35.560But the gods know that. They know that we're not ready to see the truth in perhaps the way we should be able to see it 10 years from now.
03:21:42.440So things come to us in a mis-eskewed way because our perception are mis-eskewed, but it guides us towards the correct way. I mean, that's kind of how I view my coming to the church and coming to the AFA. I've been out of truth for so long, and I have tried many different things and failed.
03:22:03.620I have made kindreds. I have been with other people and tried to do things. And they all
03:22:11.300taught me such valuable lessons. And when the gods were leading me in those directions,
03:22:18.840I never, I mean, I look back at them now and see that they were kind of, either I was mistaken,
03:22:25.380or the gods knew that the value of the wisdom that I was going to learn along these pathways
03:22:29.980that i would consider dead ends now ultimately weren't dead ends they were a cumulative wisdom
03:22:36.460to who i am and where i am now so i mean that simple question alone is really interesting
03:22:42.460because you can't really break it down based on just the communication and mistaken communication
03:22:50.540yeah so i've never heard it asked quite that way um
03:22:59.980i mean i think there's two things how can you determine whether something is communication
03:23:06.760from the gods and then a whole second thing is how do you make sure you're getting the right
03:23:12.960message from communication if you decide that it is from the gods and
03:23:18.420it is an art and not a science it is something that you learn over time and you figure out
03:23:25.740I think that things that have been genuine, things that have borne out in my life to be genuine communication from the gods feel different, are crisper, are staying in your memory in a different way.
03:23:48.320They're not difficult to recall or to recall detail of, you know, years, decades down the road.
03:24:38.280It's very, you know, in my experience, communication with the gods is, you know, very rarely a, Matt, do this exact thing this way at this time, go.
03:24:50.480It's much more of a feeling, an impulse towards something, a flash of inspiration or a steady push of inspiration towards a thing.
03:25:02.580i think that getting the general point of what you're supposed to do
03:25:14.180is a much easier thing to come by than getting an exactitude of exactly how you're supposed to
03:25:21.060implement the general inspiration or directive that you get from from the ice here i think that
03:25:29.500learn to understand it better over time and what i could you know the best i could advise
03:25:35.100is to try to be fair be aware of yourself in the greater scheme of things let that factor into your
03:25:44.140pious attempt at at deciphering the messages and then you know going to your altar and
03:25:52.540Praying and asking, you know, asking for guidance, asking for, you know, clarity so that you can implement their will in a better way or so that you can understand them better.
03:26:05.740Building that over time is a long process. And it's again, it's an art, not a science.
03:26:12.220But I think it's something that's learned and refined over time.
03:26:15.360I've got to go back and look at my questions
03:26:45.080Odin's mother is Bestla, best of a tree. Theological implications. Go.
03:26:55.140Okay. Well, Bestla, best of the trees. I'll start from the most recent and work backwards.
03:27:02.220That is actually not established. It's a theory as to her name. And that is a theory that some people have placed out there.
03:27:18.380I am actually of the belief that her name comes from the word besetia.
03:27:25.620Besetia is where we get the word beset, to beset the table, to organize things in its proper place.
03:27:36.540um the uh and i you know looking at um some of the things where that some have wondered it means
03:27:47.080plant fiber uh or or wife or union um from the germanic word boss um uh but the other is you
03:28:00.820know the best of of of her bloodline um but i i find that interesting the theories suggest that
03:28:10.120it translates from the word bark or bast plant fiber but one of the ones that i've always kind
03:28:17.960of lent towards was in the origins of the word besetton which we get from old english and that
03:28:25.640the theorized root word by linguists is besitanya, to set around, to set near,
03:28:34.700and that she and bor, whose name means to bear up, have actual function names in the etymology
03:28:47.200of these words uh of bearing up and besetting near uh in particular um the land around uh
03:28:55.440yggdrasil but as far as the the components of um its implication like that assumption we don't know
03:29:09.200about best law and it meaning bark or best of tree and so that one kind of you know
03:29:20.640cuts that however we do know that warriors are referred to as trees oaks of odin oaks of thor
03:29:29.360ashes of of odin or you know the the trees the trees of war these are all references to man
03:29:37.360mankind men warriors beings um and uh you know we see that connection
03:29:46.640so the usage of the tree in relation to the shaping of men
03:29:53.680is i don't think outside of any uh consideration the biggest thing is is that they were uprooted
03:30:00.000and unfated. So they are not set in the order and the plans of the gods. They are taken out of the
03:30:11.480water and they are shaped and given. And so then given breath and shape and hue and are brought
03:30:18.880into the divine order of the gods um so i i kind of um i don't think that there is a theological
03:30:29.920implication based on the fact that the way your question's worded is that best law is theoretical
03:30:37.860we don't know if it means bark or plant fiber i don't honestly believe that's actually the
03:30:43.840etymology of the word, but that it's the word to beset or to gather around. Also, I think that
03:30:50.440has implications like a mother with her children about her. But that would be separate of the
03:30:59.960usage of trees in relation to men and that's used all the time. The shaping and the being
03:31:11.520is always interconnected with trees trees and men are um poetically synonymous in a lot of ways
03:31:21.940but i think those are two separate things and i i don't expect i didn't i don't think you expect
03:31:28.980me to like well you know best law uh and the best of trees and then just kind of like dive into that
03:31:36.520But, you know, the theorizations that people have on linguistics about certain words, they go into on a pathway.
03:31:48.000Somebody will suggest it's, you know, it's very close to this, like plant fiber or bark and kind of really just hone in without stepping back and also looking at there's still, again, great amount of possibilities and interconnectedness.
03:32:05.700if looking at boar and his name and the bearing up lifting or holding or bearing the weight um
03:32:16.980and best law in their unit in their uh relationship together once you do that i think that lends to
03:32:24.740looking down different avenues because once people get one thing they hone in on it
03:32:29.620and um i am of the belief that the etymology of her name comes from the word beset
03:32:35.700or yeah to order and lay things near or in proximity to something
03:32:45.300uh and i believe here we have the next question um one sec so okay um
03:32:59.700i've got questions i just got a different screen every time i got to look at the chat um
03:33:03.620Um, before we do that, uh, Jill donated a dollar on rumble, um, and to monetize and
03:33:17.840ask you a question, it's fun on Frazehoff's mural, did you paint a sunrise or sunset behind
03:33:26.760A few of us guessed sunrise because the mural is on the east wall of the house.
03:33:31.980No, actually, it's a sunset. The harvest day ends. The reasoning behind that was that he has a bale of hay, so the work is done. Like the Yira rune, the cycle of work to reward, work has been done and reward is carried.
03:33:56.560so um that was it was left to be ambiguous initially and i wasn't going to emphasize it
03:34:04.800and it was kind of going to be sunrise if i had done skid bladner or star the slice blade his his um
03:34:14.400boat and have the elves coming out that it i and did something else with his left hand
03:34:20.640But that changed like mid-drawing. So it is, in essence, the day at the end where harvest is made.
03:34:35.700Okay, so we've got a – sorry, I've got to go back and forth. The interface is awkward for me.
03:34:43.420two more questions are you going to watch the winter olympics uh olympics originate in greece
03:34:50.880during pagan times plus a lot of winter sports originate with our people like skiing
03:34:55.340which we have gods associated with like scotty it's fine you're gonna watch the winter olympics
03:35:01.640yes i'm absolutely i love hockey and i love the winter olympics um that last part was a little
03:35:09.640interesting uh about skadi but i i think one it's clearly stated that ullur is the lord of skis
03:35:22.100so it's ullur maybe they were mistaken um i would certainly pray to skadi for no avalanches for sure
03:35:29.460but um you know uh ullur is the lord of the hunt he's the lord of of self-reliance and
03:35:37.420self-determination and he's the lord of um dueling and self-defense and i think that a lot of people
03:35:45.140kind of they think oh like here's the god of the skis but the skis and what they represented to
03:35:50.520our ancestors were ways to travel across great expanses of environment so you know him being
03:35:58.040the god of skis is is really about self-mobility and self-resilience which is another part with
03:36:05.320his self-defense and his, you know, the hunting and attaining meat in the winter time. There's
03:36:11.200a lot of that. And I think people read into it quite literally. Um, I know like in Colorado,
03:36:16.420there's a Skavi or Ulerfest and it is, um, a ski fest, which is cool. I think that's in our blood
03:36:24.320kind of reverberating that, but, um, definitely going to be watching the winter Olympics.
03:36:29.400love skiing love hockey it's my favorite uh it was a it's yeah that's kind of been with me ever
03:36:36.900since i moved my brothers were very much into it before we moved to america and then when we got
03:36:43.520here hockey was just as big here as so yeah yeah i no honestly probably not i always kind of mean
03:36:54.960to and i never end up actually watching the olympics i'm never really aware of when they're
03:37:00.620on so i don't really i don't really do that but i might check it out um
03:37:07.760i got such a bad taste in my mouth the last olympics with the gross um opening ceremonies and
03:37:16.740stuff i think it really depends on how degenerately politicized the atmosphere around it is whether
03:37:26.280i'm really gonna fully engage or not um but yeah there's there's events that are are fun to watch
03:37:33.720that i'd like to watch if i remember and i might end up doing mandy might take an interest in
03:37:37.800wanting to watch uh some of that this year i wanted to say um you said the gross you know0.78
03:37:45.000festivities where i was joking about how like basically transvestites spit in the face of0.69
03:37:51.640bacchanalians and the last supper which early christians made look like a bacchanalia to0.76
03:37:58.040convert greeks to their kind of judaic religion so it was a triangle of just like oh the real
03:38:06.660people that should have been offended uh offended were the bacchanalians it was just it was an1.00
03:38:10.840absolute terrible kind of it's just showing of how far things have descended it's gross1.00
03:38:30.040can you speak about the community in tennessee is there a single property
03:38:33.320for afa or are afa folk each getting their own places within the county plan right now is
03:38:39.560everybody's getting their own place within the county um there is room and ability for people
03:38:46.040to do different things uh as we move down the road there's a couple um a couple advantages
03:38:53.720towards that so we want if we're all in the county it's about a 30 minute across distance
03:39:02.440any point in that county which would be nice and gets us very close to where we can do stuff
03:39:07.080regularly um and really build a community of ourselves there we can also have you know
03:39:13.720representation in the county the more of us get there the more we're a genuine element of the
03:39:19.720county a significant portion of their tax base a you know an actual demographic measurable
03:39:30.440quantity of their county which is a really special thing to do for us and i think a big step forward
03:39:35.720It also affords us the opportunity to be integrated into the community to where people know us, see us, we're neighbors, we do things, we interact, and we can build reputation in that way.
03:39:51.620It's also a number of cool things about the county.
03:39:57.780If you want to live in a very suburban way, really close to a big town, the southern end of the county, you can technically live in Cookville and still be in Jackson County because the urban sprawl.
03:40:11.580There's, you know, post office lists, Cookville addresses that are, you know, just over the line, but in Jackson County.
03:40:18.980You can technically be in the county, but still in a good-sized city.
03:40:23.320I say good-sized, decent-sized little city.
03:40:26.380You can also be in a small town like Granville or like Gainsborough, or you can be out in the country if you want to farm, if you want to ranch or whatever you want to do.
03:40:37.820There's certainly land for that, but there's also neighborhoods and things that way.
03:40:43.860So there's really, you can have most of, most of whatever kind of dream existence you want