Asatru Folk Assembly - 2⧸4⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 187 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 2

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00:03:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:11.020 You might have noticed I've got a little bit different backdrop today.

00:03:17.520 Sorry for the jankiness of this particular episode, but we have spent the last several

00:03:23.520 days loading up the moving truck and putting all the stuff we can fit in there in order to start

00:03:33.620 our move to Tennessee. So early, early tomorrow morning, I'll be hitting the road and starting

00:03:41.660 to move my family across country and wind up in majestic Jackson County, Tennessee.

00:03:48.100 so uh i'm gonna be relying on nick and spawn tonight to manage the chat feed me questions

00:03:59.560 acknowledge our amazing donors and uh yeah kind of lead that process because i'm doing this from my

00:04:06.720 phone anyways welcome to the show i'm very excited for this episode we are um doing so okay

00:04:17.260 Two weeks ago, Swan and I started the Gilfaginning, which we have been looking forward to doing for a long time now.

00:04:28.300 It's absolutely foundational to the practice of Alcatru and to a coherent, cohesive, structured explanation of what this is and what we believe.

00:04:45.860 And it's laid out in a really, really cool, digestible way that's intended for this audience.

00:04:53.220 One of the things that's challenging with our lore is so many of the bits that have come down to us weren't intended for an audience who is unfamiliar to teach them about our lore.

00:05:03.980 They were very often, you know, a comedy or a poem in the setting of our lore, a explanation piece of, you know, dramatized events from our lore meant to be presented to an audience that was already largely familiar with it.

00:05:24.800 this piece is specifically made to instruct this is what our ancestors or

00:05:32.960 in this case Snorri's ancestors believed so this is a really again it's very

00:05:39.840 special piece it's something that's fun and I both really enjoy and look to for

00:05:46.740 guidance and it's something we've been very excited for two years or so now to

00:05:52.460 to share with you guys and this is finally our opportunity so um again spawn's gonna have to

00:05:59.260 remind us exactly where we left off um i believe with i'm looking for it right now i believe with

00:06:09.660 the creation of emir um and while he's waiting on that we have a couple donations to start off the

00:06:15.740 stream we have gw farnsworth as always uh he donated thirty dollars to the thor's off heat

00:06:26.700 and twenty dollars to vns and steven in japan donated ten dollars to phrase hop and ten dollars

00:06:35.660 the thor's off beat

00:06:43.020 steve steve steve son probably a marine or navy

00:06:52.220 no i think i had a an email exchange with this fellow i think he's working over there

00:06:56.140 if it's the same steve if not we may have multiple steves in uh nippon so

00:07:02.460 So, thank you for that, and GW Farnsworth, you are amazing, you continue to meet each

00:07:09.840 and every week, because you're awesome, your generosity is very, very much appreciated.

00:07:15.740 So thank you for that.

00:07:18.520 And while we're here, I'll give an update for Frazehoff.

00:07:26.980 It's the same numbers that you gave earlier today, as right now, well, I guess we're

00:07:30.740 actually 10 bucks higher than that 35.5 of the way paid off that's 44 380 now with 80 80 620 to go

00:07:44.580 so we're still at 110 per member would pay that off today you guys are awesome thank you uh

00:07:50.480 appreciate your generosity as always we're also trying to get the heat working in the fellowship

00:07:55.980 hall at Thorshof. People have donated very generously to that. We really appreciate you

00:08:01.740 guys. And because it's close to the show, it counts. Jamie donated $500 towards that heat.

00:08:09.800 Much appreciated. $500 all at once or cumulatively gets your name on the plaque. So got another name

00:08:19.520 to put up there. And like I said, very much appreciated. We've got some of the most amazing

00:08:25.160 donors and we're so appreciative of the generosity and right after you move down here you're going

00:08:32.760 to be leaving us in a couple weeks to be driving down south i am you know why i do this thing at

00:08:42.760 at mjordshoff in majestic i'm overusing majestic in uh stupendous white springs florida

00:08:50.040 it's really so it's beautiful the space is beautiful um it's beautiful hoff on beautiful

00:08:59.880 land it's a cool little town if you haven't checked it out in northern florida there

00:09:04.040 if you can make it we would love to see you there um any of your folk builders and get

00:09:09.640 you set up and any information you need to know i would love to see you guys there

00:09:13.720 so there's that and then

00:09:18.520 yeah just so everybody knows that's what we got up at the top of the program

00:09:24.360 guys are great i apologize that i'm a little bit flustered and off i've

00:09:28.200 been moving thousands and thousands of pounds of miscellaneous things that you collect and

00:09:34.920 don't realize until you open up your cabinets and have to move all the things so i do want to

00:09:41.360 correct in the chat uh glidian because people make that mistake a lot we're in jackson county

00:09:48.440 tennessee which is quite a ways many hours from jackson tennessee yeah jackson tennessee is over

00:09:55.420 in the west tennessee near memphis if i'm thinking of it correct

00:09:59.220 jackson county is about an hour and a half northeast of nashville so

00:10:07.560 there you have it i can see oh cool another reminder because i'm on my phone i see the

00:10:13.800 little pop-ups if you got questions we are excited to talk to you about the guilt beginning but we're

00:10:19.840 also very excited to talk to you about each and every question that might come to mind um feel

00:10:25.620 free to ask uh ask those on whatever platform you're consuming this and whenever you have a

00:10:30.820 question if you want us to address it on victory never sleeps vns at runestone.org a number of

00:10:37.540 are taking us up on that and so we get really good questions there each week um so yeah if

00:10:43.860 you think of something make sure you're sending that email in there uh yeah that's that's what

00:10:55.780 i've got for right now to start the show off again i'm a little bit a little bit off because i'm uh

00:11:01.860 scramble in here but spawn where where are we so people can follow along and as always guys when

00:11:09.860 you're trying to follow along with us at least through the rest of this edda we're going to be

00:11:14.660 using um the lust bow dot org that's what we've uh done all of our stuff so far on and it's gonna

00:11:24.500 see us through this as well so if you want to follow along that's where we're at if you have

00:11:28.100 your own translation at home absolutely feel free to use that um yeah spawn where are we at

00:11:35.140 what do we need to know uh i believe we are actually just uh ending with emir and going into

00:11:45.140 of ad umla and the origins of odin um and for those that weren't here last week and you are

00:11:54.100 catching up the good news is we're in there we're still in the beginnings of the poem because we had

00:12:00.660 to cover prologue and a lot of the uh build up to the poem so um king galfi is just starting to get

00:12:12.340 into uh creation if you will um so we end with king galfi coming into the great hall of the gods

00:12:27.860 um and this isn't really a spoiler but we talked about how the euhemerization of the gods so um

00:12:37.220 there's no specification it's just an assumption that king gelfi uh comes to the gods either by

00:12:45.860 moving to the place where they're at or uh that there is an access point if you will

00:12:53.700 most likely for plot convenience of the story that he's able to uh attain access to the gods

00:13:00.980 And he goes there and he is in a great hall. And the halls have side rooms and he is led through there and he sees many great things. He sees a juggler and that is juggling lances or swords.

00:13:20.480 And he's taken before a stage where there are three kings, and sometimes it is interpreted that the kings are on like a scaffolding or what have you.

00:13:34.580 i'm i'm not of that mindset but that that there is the three um kings and they are named high

00:13:43.860 just as high and the third or howard ivan howard and three and so he begins to ask them questions

00:13:55.780 under the guise of a wanderer um who's uh way weary is as he kind of presents himself

00:14:04.580 And he begins to ask the questions about the gods.

00:14:10.880 So we have to understand a couple of things is that this is a wonderful story that references poetics from other poems.

00:14:24.820 So you will see often an explanation, and then it will say, as it was said in whatever poem is being referenced. I think it's worth remembering that the reasoning behind this is because Snorri was preparing young poets for the possible life of being court poets in medieval Norway's courts.

00:14:50.640 and there were always times in which a chance to kind of spread the knowledge of the poetics

00:15:00.980 to the poet the young poet and that was a constant because the importance that I believe he felt

00:15:13.200 would that the scald would play in the future courts of norway so anybody that gets uh confused

00:15:22.200 by the quotations into other poetics but they but the corpus of the story is in story format

00:15:30.060 not poetic um and as al-sir-gothi said it is a super clean way in which uh all of our lore

00:15:42.900 is presented out. And tonight I think we're going to get a chance to talk about some misconceptions

00:15:48.760 that I think modern folk have about things like cosmology and also how our understanding of the

00:15:58.400 world, that the gods understood that we would come to a greater understanding. So we are looking at

00:16:07.700 the understanding of our ancestors, and we can also see where there is the truth,

00:16:15.500 not buried, but layered in to be recognized later. So I'm really excited to talk about some of that.

00:16:28.600 um so they speak of emir and that he is by no means considered a god but a a jotain the word

00:16:43.420 is um it shares linguistic connections like with the icelandic word yorvi which means to consume

00:16:53.680 or consumption, but I think it's worth noting that it also has a sentiment of a being of

00:17:02.880 long standing, a being that has been around for a long time. So whenever you see the word

00:17:11.320 Jotun, it's ancient beings, and Ymir is clearly a Jotun. He's not the Jotuns of Niflheim,

00:17:18.740 And he's not the Jotuns of Muspelheim. He is his own. And from him come his descendants, these ancient beings. And they are ancient because pretty much the war between the gods. 0.81

00:17:34.440 The war between the gods of cosmic order and natural law brings about the arc of the golden age that is with men and the gods all together, and then the Jotuns become those of those ancient times, those ancient elements.

00:17:59.380 and we covered, and we will cover more about creation, so.

00:18:04.360 There's something I'd like to interject in here

00:18:06.880 to focus in on a little bit, as Fawn pointed out.

00:18:11.980 I think that it's worth noting and remembering

00:18:17.900 that our lore is intended for an audience

00:18:21.340 and it was intended in its time for an audience.

00:18:24.800 And you will see that people conceive of

00:18:29.380 divine super duper cosmic things in terms that make sense to people

00:18:37.620 um one of the things about the manuscript that i like to use the pictures of one here

00:18:44.640 is it has you know our lord depicted in like i don't know late medieval almost renaissance

00:18:52.660 looking garb and weaponry and stuff because that's what made sense to the audience when

00:18:59.140 the audience was picturing a sword they weren't picturing you know a 700s era viking sword they

00:19:05.940 were picturing a foul shown or a you know a broad sword in a medieval way when they were picturing

00:19:15.780 you know a spear or an axe it was much more like a halberd or something that made sense to the

00:19:22.100 people at that time um in the same way the imagery and the stories our ancestors had just as big of

00:19:30.740 brains as we do so we're not asking you to believe ridiculously fanciful things what we are asking

00:19:40.660 you to believe and what was presented to our ancestors was imagery that makes sense in terms

00:19:46.580 that they understand um giants and you know the cosmic really big cow we don't want you to picture

00:19:58.100 there's this giant cow floating around in space it's really easy when people go too far and get

00:20:05.780 too literal and this goes into some questions that i've already seen pop up tonight no the point is

00:20:12.660 there's this generative nourishing force in the cosmos that was the source of this of this feeding

00:20:22.980 there is a mammalian

00:20:27.700 force that through you know milk and that primal source of life that anyone any mammal that's ever

00:20:36.900 had young understands how the nourishment from milk from udders from breasts is what baby mammals

00:20:46.500 of all kind grow from of that natural process so any of these things it's important this knowledge

00:20:54.240 is done through beautiful and poetic imagery for us to understand and conceptualize and be able to

00:21:00.300 wrap our heads around and it's you know it's very much meant that way so a lot of people consume

00:21:06.320 you know the the quran or the the torah or the bible or whatever people are used to

00:21:14.400 seeing and they it is explicitly and unquestionably hyper literal to the smallest

00:21:24.580 degree and any variance of that in many of those faiths could be a death sentence at various

00:21:31.480 different times. That's not what we're, you know, that's not where this goes. So keep in mind this

00:21:36.860 lore is to teach big truths to our ancestors in terms of an imagery that conveys power in a way

00:21:43.760 they understand it. Speaking of beautiful art, Gilbert in Georgia donated $150 to pay off for

00:21:53.980 third, five fours off each. Gilbert, you're amazing. Thank you. Thank you so much, Gilbert.

00:22:02.700 All right. Much needed. Well, it's fun. Where are we at and are you ready to dive in?

00:22:07.800 Well, I gave, yeah, I'm ready to dive in. I gave everybody kind of a primer. I was going to say

00:22:13.280 that, you know, I call the religions of Yahweh 0.83

00:22:21.200 very man-focused. 0.94

00:22:24.200 It is, yeah, that literalism is historical.

00:22:27.300 And this, you begin to see that the metanarrative

00:22:30.060 of mythos is eternal.

00:22:33.340 And we will see it.

00:22:34.640 We'll see it right out the gate with Ad Umla.

00:22:36.720 So we're speaking of Ad Umla and the origins of Yahweh

00:22:43.280 or the origin of Odin.

00:22:46.380 So.

00:22:48.480 Then said Ganyari, where dwelt Emir or where in did he find sustenance?

00:22:57.020 And then Howard answered Howard means the high one. 0.89

00:23:03.140 Straight away after the rhyme dripped, there sprang from it the cow of Umla. 0.53

00:23:10.440 So from Niflheim's melting the proto matter, she is formed and four streams of milk ran from her udders and she nourished Ymir.

00:23:25.140 And there is clearly our people, the Aryan folk, have always had a direct and fruitful connection with cattle.

00:23:33.740 So, that understanding is even reinforced by her name.

00:23:43.220 Awth or awth means without, and humla means horns.

00:23:47.980 She is without horns. 0.99

00:23:50.300 She causes no grievance.

00:23:53.640 And what I mean by that is cattle ranchers will agree that when we talk about cattle

00:24:01.980 with horns, especially when they're herding together, they can, they stab each other more

00:24:06.140 than anyone else. But her name means that she can just cause no offense. She is without horns. 0.99

00:24:14.800 Adumla immediately is overflowing with milk. And from this overflow, Emir is nourished. She doesn't

00:24:25.380 nourish him on her own it's just the abundance of her is so great that he can nourish himself from

00:24:34.260 her um so the the four streams of milk run from her udders and she nourished uh emir then asked

00:24:44.020 gang larry who is of course king galfi in disguise wherewithal was the cow nourished and then

00:24:51.700 Then Haur said, she licked the ice, which was salty, and the first day she licked the blocks, and there came forth from the blocks in the evening a man's hair, the second day a man's head, and the third day a whole man was there.

00:25:13.360 He is named Böri. He was fair of feature, great and mighty, and he begat a son called Bor, who wedded a woman named Besla, daughter of Balthorn, the giant, and they had three sons.

00:25:33.220 One was Odin, the second Vili, the third Vey.

00:25:39.120 And this is my belief, that he, Odin, with his brothers, must be ruler of heaven and earth.

00:25:47.500 We hold that he must be so called, so is that man called whom we know to be mightiest and most worthy of honor, and ye do well to let him be so called.

00:25:59.960 So a couple of things in there. One, it very, very quickly moves through the originations and it doesn't speak often or doesn't speak of Buri.

00:26:14.460 Bodhi is also, in another story, told to walk amongst Niflheim and amongst the Jotuns there, the Jotuns of ice.

00:26:25.640 Our ancestors' understanding was the north above, the Nordic poles, even beyond perhaps, and that cold place to the north.

00:26:40.580 And he walks amongst them. And it says little is known about his life, but that he had a son and his son takes a wife. And it is at this point that there is a movement of the gods eventually planning on moving to the center of the world.

00:27:05.280 but we'll get into cosmology here in a little bit. But Av Umla, the one without horns, is such a

00:27:12.740 creator, is such a powerful force, a feminine living force that moves in the great gap.

00:27:22.160 You know, Emir is described as often sleeping or restless, and so you'll see depictions of him

00:27:28.600 laying upon the ground drinking from the rivers of milk and uh she moves about and yggdrasil is

00:27:36.840 there and so this is what i would call the first tripartite um that the the number three is so

00:27:44.280 important to our consciousness about the ability to move forward and every time we see uh the

00:27:55.160 tripartite it shows up in uh three different forms one is stasis yggdrasil one is catalism

00:28:04.280 which is uh that it needs conditions in order to move and that would be emir and that adumla

00:28:10.680 is the dynamic of this particular tripartite and she creates and she creates the starting of

00:28:20.120 the race of the Aesir. Now, they are Aesir, but they mix with the Jotuns of Niflheim. 0.99

00:28:32.040 So, they are born, the three, and then Gangleri asks, what covenant was between them, 0.88

00:28:42.920 or which was the stronger and howard answered the sons of boar slew emir the giant low where he fell

00:28:53.480 there gushed forth so much blood out of his wounds that with it they drowned all the race

00:29:00.100 of the rhyme giants save that one whom giants called bergelmer now it's really important that 0.89

00:29:07.680 I say this, the Hrimthurser is applied to the Jotuns of Niflheim and the Jotuns that spring

00:29:19.020 from Ymir. So it can cause a little bit of confusion. So these Hrimthursers are not

00:29:27.920 the Jotun of Niflheim. But all of his kin, Ymir's ancient kin of old, are killed in the deluge 1.00

00:29:38.640 and save only one, Ber-Yelmer, loud yeller. Again, you'll see the connection to sound 0.97

00:29:50.340 and Ymir and his kin, and he makes it away from the deluge

00:29:59.120 and is eventually in Jotunheim, and the Jotuns of the middle,

00:30:05.080 if you will, the Jotuns of Jotunheim specifically, descend from him.

00:30:10.440 so uh

00:30:14.200 there uh bear gelmer escapes with his household and went upon his ship and his wife with him

00:30:25.620 and they were safe there and from them are come the races of the rhyme giants as it is said here

00:30:33.980 untold ages ere the earth was shapen then was bergelmer born that first i recall how the famous

00:30:43.160 wise giant on the deck of the ship was laid down and many people speculate the possibility that

00:30:51.960 there could be some christian influences with the story of noah or obviously uh the the story of

00:30:59.400 Gilgamesh at the original flooding story in a human sense.

00:31:04.880 But this, again, takes place with no real concept.

00:31:11.440 Those people are wrong.

00:31:13.180 Yeah, well, the humorization of the gods, whereas there is no humorization in, say, the Torah or the Old Testament.

00:31:26.680 Just something on that people are, there's a responsibility in our faith that isn't there in other faiths that some people are used to.

00:31:43.680 and we get very comfortable with

00:31:47.780 every letter of any of our holy lore is like literally written by the hand of the all father

00:31:57.280 and it's all perfect and immaculate or every time anybody sees anything they don't understand

00:32:04.500 that's just christian influence that's and people need to get over that uh i i don't think that any

00:32:12.160 of us could honestly say that there's not the possibility that anyone who wrote any of this

00:32:16.860 down had any potential influence and how they saw the world by any potential contact with church

00:32:25.180 but what i like about this i want to reiterate no it was very specifically snorri's intention to like

00:32:32.660 hey this is you know old pagan you know a heresy don't you're not supposed to believe these things

00:32:41.380 but we need to accurately preserve what our ancestors sought these are the misguided you know

00:32:52.580 ways the devil tricked our ancestors this is what our ancestors believed the point of this he make

00:32:59.220 he made that very clear that you know this was an exercise in scholarship and it wasn't about trying

00:33:04.980 to make this tale certainly this portion's not we have a preamble that kind of tries to marry those

00:33:12.100 things this is not this is straightforward this is what the ancestors believed and as far as flood

00:33:19.460 myth stuff you see flood myths in every culture around the world because flood happened it's just

00:33:24.980 a thing and different people describe it differently in different places but it's so well attested in

00:33:30.980 so many diverse places that it's a you know it's an experience that people had in the most ancient

00:33:36.020 of their memory and something people are familiar with we're going to notice connectivity but

00:33:42.260 resist the urge to every time anything sounds familiar to be like aha this is clearly

00:33:48.500 jesus interloping that's not how it works and as a matter of fact christianity because it came

00:33:55.300 relatively late in the cycle of world religions borrows very heavily from other traditions and

00:34:03.700 other things i think more often than not it flows that direction and not and not this way the point

00:34:10.660 of this was this is interesting and exotic things that our ancestors believed that was different

00:34:17.140 than the biblical narrative that's why this was interesting and that's why you're cautioned don't

00:34:22.500 believe these things, but this is what our ancestors thought. So resist that urge that I

00:34:29.080 know is very common in certain circles out there. When I say certain circles, I'm not trying to jab

00:34:35.040 at any one in particular. This is something, as long as I've been involved in Austertru since

00:34:41.520 2001, this has been ever-present. Spahn's been around longer than that. I assume it's ever-present

00:34:49.340 since he started as far as i understand reading the runestones and talking to steve and our elders

00:34:55.260 this has always been you know a perennial thing that people have to say so this isn't a new thing

00:35:01.000 or aimed at anybody in specific it's a tendency amongst our folk to wow this tells me to do

00:35:06.820 something i don't like or wow i don't like this part oh that's just that's just the jesus part

00:35:11.040 don't believe that yeah the boogeyman it yeah so don't don't do that rise to the challenge of

00:35:17.540 understanding instead of just rejecting things out of hand like that well i would argue too that

00:35:24.020 more of it's like there's just simply some linguistic misspellings and inconsistencies

00:35:30.900 and that the other is that the greater influence is from hellenic stories that snorty was deeply

00:35:38.020 aware of Hellenic stories and was influenced by them in a good way, another branch of our family,

00:35:50.260 but that you can kind of see sometimes, obviously with Troy and with Greece, his connection to

00:35:57.080 classical literature amongst intellectuals of the time, and you can kind of see it in some of his

00:36:03.100 things while we're while we're at kind of a stopping point here for just a sec uh something

00:36:07.900 came up in the chat and it's relevant to a question from i think last week maybe the week

00:36:13.100 previous i think last week anyways my weeks are running together especially with this move

00:36:17.820 regardless uh about bloat clivey um so for anybody who wasn't there for the question the original

00:36:26.300 thing was that the norena society did a video and talks about how you know they in their practice

00:36:38.060 have the officiant wear white and the assembled folk wear red for bloat

00:36:44.540 so i did try to do a deep dive in figuring that out in the bottom of it

00:36:50.380 that's

00:36:50.700 So, just to lay bare some of the ways that I would prefer if the Norana Society presented some things differently, and it's the source of some of our little back and forth, I think it is completely appropriate for Gothar in modern times to innovate things and say, hey, this is what we do now.

00:37:20.700 And if their position for what they do, and again, they shouldn't do what they do.

00:37:26.500 They should all come and do House of True over here with us.

00:37:30.840 Obviously, I say that I wouldn't be sitting here having the show if I didn't genuinely believe that, though.

00:37:36.240 But if their position is, hey, our people, our tradition is that we're going to wear red because people sometimes wore red to fancy things in the lore.

00:37:45.680 And that harkens back to that.

00:37:47.780 And other Indo-European traditions, we see people wearing white if they're in the priest class.

00:37:53.680 So that's what we're going to do to, you know, pay homage to that.

00:37:57.140 That's wonderful.

00:37:59.100 That's not a thing in the Lord where it says all the Gothar have to wear white and everyone in attendance to blow wears red.

00:38:05.300 That's not a thing at all.

00:38:06.340 But I did look into where those sources are and what we do see.

00:38:10.780 And we don't really see the red, or at least what I was able to find, and the references cited to me were not to where there was red at, like at the bloat ceremony.

00:38:24.060 But it's funny when you look at the word bloat in our ancestors' tradition.

00:38:28.160 It meant the sacrifice, but it also meant the accompanying feast.

00:38:32.820 so every every feast every celebratory feast up to this day in some instances like uh um like uh

00:38:47.240 storobloat for instance just means feast so feasts and celebrations your cool party clothes

00:38:55.600 were very often red or you know described as crimson or scarlet or whatever other word they

00:39:00.440 meant to be red because that was really nice digs like that was your fancy clothes if you could get

00:39:07.580 red dye for your stuff that was that was your nice clothes so in accompanying to that we saw

00:39:14.180 them wearing like really deep blue cloaks over top of the red actually the description of the

00:39:19.380 clothing both of the instances I saw were at like feasts not at specific religious observances

00:39:30.440 two people were wearing red but they were wearing other things as well and it was a really cool

00:39:35.980 description of what they were wearing i think uh the lady in the in the story was wearing a like

00:39:41.220 a silver girdle and this like scarlet um blouse or whatever they called her her her shirt and then

00:39:50.020 you know really nice uh i guess blue cloak so yeah red was an example of wearing your fancy

00:39:59.080 clothes absolutely so i think probably rich people who could afford it very often red might have been

00:40:06.120 a part of their blood colliding i don't think that was a prescription that that's what you

00:40:11.000 had to wear to the sacrifice i think that's more you put on your fancy clothes to go to your feast

00:40:16.840 and that's typical of what the fancy clothes at the time might have looked like so it's not they're

00:40:22.280 not doing anything wrong and i didn't think they were doing anything wrong last time i just want

00:40:26.920 want to make clear there's not evidence in the lore that that's what that looked like what i did

00:40:34.840 find kind of compelling though was that at a time what is connected very specifically to aussage

00:40:41.220 plenty of other indo-european traditions their priest class does wear white on their stuff we

00:40:47.520 also saw very specific in uh jordaine's uh uh gaticum i think is the book the history of the

00:40:59.980 goths where he writes about gothic priests coming out from a city in their in their white robes

00:41:05.540 so that's that does appear to in the age of the goths that seems to be a thing or at least it was

00:41:12.820 in the town that that was practicing and i found that one reference but just to clear any of that

00:41:18.360 up because i know we were talking about it it was a fascinating thing so whoever um brought that up

00:41:22.600 thank you because it was neat and we got to go down a little you know follow little rabbit trails

00:41:27.280 and try to see where that took us and what we could learn on that so that was really cool and

00:41:30.960 i'm glad you brought it up because you know we learned something and looked into something that

00:41:34.900 fascinating that's all yeah the like the bells and upsala on the phrase priests are not present in

00:41:44.340 in iceland are not mentioned so the the uniformity over district and personal things that were going

00:41:53.860 on in different groups is kind of where i think people get wrong and i really wish they didn't

00:41:59.620 try to present that okay we're going to have this holiday at this time because

00:42:04.100 that's what also true does but the reality is it was recorded down in this fjord or in this

00:42:10.820 dale in iceland that's what they did at this time again to be fair we do that stuff all the time

00:42:19.780 but we do it as as the austere go through the asset true folk assembly i decree that this is

00:42:25.620 what we're going to do from now forward yeah and and i own that and i it would be cool if we found

00:42:32.260 a lot of those traditions in our ancestors time by the time that writing came to the north though

00:42:37.940 a lot of that more advanced priest structure wasn't present in the same way so we don't see

00:42:45.540 that same like edict connectivity which is cool and again if the noran society says hey i'm mark

00:42:53.460 purrier and i declare that this is what we're going to do is these are the close awesome by all

00:42:58.020 means that's fantastic and i'm curious to see you know what their what their white and red

00:43:04.420 you know look clivey end up looking like that's that's cool i just want to make sure that the

00:43:09.220 people listening don't think that there's some universal understanding of that in our

00:43:13.380 ancestors time because it just wasn't present at that point so as we move forward from here

00:43:22.100 There is the slaying of Ymir and the deluge of his blood, but the three, Odin, Vili, and Vey, who I find it very interesting.

00:43:36.160 It's mentioned earlier on in the poem that he, in elder times, was called Vodin with a V.

00:43:45.760 And that's kind of hearkening to, you know, I don't know if Snoddy realized, but the loss of the VW in much of the Norse language as it moved, it's almost like the W kind of dropped away in its usage, especially in the front of words.

00:44:06.920 but remained and was kind of transferred over to a V after the decision of which letters to use

00:44:15.700 in Latin or Latin-based alphabet to translate Old Norse. So if people are wondering, like,

00:44:22.720 why is the three, it's Odin, Vili, De, it's the elder way that we can see this. And we see this

00:44:31.080 again with the um like uh in tacitus this time when amongst the germanics and uh the the linguistic

00:44:39.640 theorization of where that goes is that it's it's vo the normal than us but um

00:44:46.360 to bar all confusion you know we are looking at the guild beginning as our core source for

00:44:53.320 understanding um but he mentions that the three um slay emir and then the blood washes away

00:45:04.520 bergelmer and his kin and they are eventually the ones that just make the descendants of all the

00:45:12.040 yachtins but um in eight the sons of bor create heaven and earth or excuse me earth and heaven 0.52

00:45:22.040 And there's actually a reason, an important point as to why heaven comes second in this.

00:45:29.600 So then Gangleri asks, what was done then by Boar's sons, if thou believe that they be gods?

00:45:38.120 Wink, wink.

00:45:38.720 Again, I think, too, Gangleri writes, he's a sprinkling in of, if people are still reading this, you know,

00:45:49.440 And, you know, he doesn't want his library burned and his lands taken.

00:45:53.240 So this is just for poetics.

00:45:55.960 But and then that he flips right back to the real meat of it.

00:46:00.340 But how are high replies in this matter?

00:46:06.880 There is no little to be said.

00:46:09.640 They took in here and bore him into the middle of the yawning void and made of him the earth of his blood.

00:46:19.440 the sea and the waters and the lands were made of his flesh and the crags of his bones and the

00:46:27.360 gravel and stones they fashioned from his teeth and his grinders and from those bones that were broken

00:46:36.000 and then yaovenhar or even high said of the blood which ran and welled forth freely from his wounds

00:46:45.040 they made the sea. And when they formed, when they had formed and made firm the earth together

00:46:51.480 and laid the sea in a ring round about her, and it may well seem a hard thing for most men to

00:47:01.680 cross over it. Then said Thridhi, the third, they took his skull also and made it out of the heavens

00:47:09.840 and set it up over the earth, with four corners underneath it.

00:47:16.020 They set a dwarf.

00:47:18.040 The names are Ostri, East, Vestri, West, Nodri, North, and Sudri, South.

00:47:27.920 They then took the glowing embers and the sparks that burst forth from Muspelheim

00:47:34.240 and set them amidst the yawning void.

00:47:37.380 In the heavens, both above and below, to illuminate heaven and earth.

00:47:44.720 They assigned places of all fires.

00:47:48.140 To some in heaven, some wandered free under the heavens.

00:47:52.680 Nevertheless, to these also they gave a place, and shaped them their courses.

00:47:59.600 And it is said in old songs that from these days we reckoned that the tale of years told,

00:48:06.420 As it is said in the Volospow, the sun knew not where she had housing, the moon knew not what might he had, the stars knew not where stood their places, thus was it air, the earth was fashioned.

00:48:24.440 So the shaping of the world, one of it I think is truly interesting is the connection between Yotin or time scale, especially in relation to the ocean and the ocean being that place that's deeply connected to the time of the Yotins.

00:48:46.020 But they formulate an idea, and I think it's really important that we cover it, is that our ancestors, in this format of understanding, is that the Great Ring, and to the west is the land of the Vanaheim, and to the east is the land of Jotunheim.

00:49:05.660 And that Midgardr is called Midgard because it's encapsulated. And that's emphasized more. And that in the north and the south, there are two lands. So one of the big things that I think a lot of people get confused to today is that Midgardr is like the middle plate amongst four plates around it.

00:49:28.560 It's not so much about upper and lower as of yet. That comes and evolves. But that Midgard is the middle of the planes of existence around it. And I think that those relationships between those planes in our world have a deeply spiritual and I would even argue some scientific repercussions.

00:49:53.740 you can see their interplay here um but i digress so uh it's then that gang leary asks these are

00:50:03.420 the great tidings which i now hear and that is wondrous and great piece of craftsmanship and

00:50:09.500 cunningly made how was the earth contrived and then hi howard answered she is ring-shaped she

00:50:19.980 being of course yard the earth the word yard survives in our language from this and that

00:50:27.820 the earth always takes in that feminine um titling so she is ring-shaped without and round about her

00:50:38.220 without lay the deep sea and along the strand of that sea they gave lands to the races of the giants 0.76

00:50:47.180 for habitation but on the inner earth they made a citadel around the world against the hostility

00:50:54.540 of the giants and for their citadel they raised up the brows the the the protruding brow um

00:51:03.500 of emir the giant and called that place mid guard guard being that it's enclosed and it

00:51:10.540 And it would also imply the idea that in the east, over the waters, there is the land of Jotunheim, or over the edges, and upon the edges on the other side is Vanahan.

00:51:24.240 That gets covered later.

00:51:28.020 Then they took his brains and cast them into the sky and made it the clouds. 0.61

00:51:33.700 as it is said here of emir's flesh the earth was fashioned and of his sweat the sea his crags the

00:51:43.080 crags of his bones trees of his hair and of his skull the sky and then of his brows the blithe

00:51:50.820 gods made midgard for the sons of men and of his brain the bitter mooted clouds were ever were all

00:51:58.760 created and again this is the referencing to dark clouds the bitter mood um it's also worth noting

00:52:05.320 and i spoke about the possibility of poetic mistakes where uh the alliteration was more

00:52:12.440 important than the necessity of consistency and this happens when we see the that just before

00:52:21.000 it's the blood that creates the oceans and then in this poet it's the sweat so you know there

00:52:28.520 i think there's more of that than there is like say christian influence um but i love the the

00:52:36.600 bitter mootedness is talking about the dark mind of emir his so that's something to keep in mind

00:52:45.160 though the water is water it's not blood and it's not sweat it's water right we realize this so one

00:52:54.360 of the big things that's very important about this part of the story is not that they're chopping up

00:53:01.800 a really really big giant and putting pieces of that giant places and you laugh but a lot of

00:53:09.240 people again take it very very straightforwardly and if that's what you want to do fine i i don't

00:53:16.360 claim that as heresy i just think that suspends belief in a disbelief in a strange

00:53:23.880 and unnecessary way um the point is they took the primal the primal person of chaos the chaotic

00:53:37.720 being that was immense and that dominated the primal space before consciousness came

00:53:44.360 our gods the gods of consciousness slew that initial chaos and then from the husk the remains

00:53:57.640 the corpse of primal chaos they forged order they took all this just malignant chaos and pieced it

00:54:08.280 out into beautiful ordered existence that we still exist in and appreciate their first acts of

00:54:19.240 godhood are to defeat and destroy devouring chaos and from the chaos that they found

00:54:29.480 to shape beauty and to shape order to shape structure so that's a really important foundational

00:54:36.600 thing and it's laid out literally as their first the first act of godhood that they're doing is that

00:54:46.120 and i think spawn's point about directionality is really important too

00:54:51.720 they started where they were they started with we are this like nugget of conscious order and

00:55:01.160 and nobility in this vast chaotic existence they begin establishing from where they were

00:55:13.240 outward the order and the shaping of our existence of our world and our relationship to the cosmos

00:55:21.480 around us yeah and i've i'm of i've spoken to you about this about my belief that the gods

00:55:31.720 sent their stories to us via classier the first poet storyteller but uh you know like some people

00:55:39.160 and the the idea that the old world is reshaped and that um they have found two possible uh

00:55:47.720 uh landing sites of these kind of cataclysmic comets that would have changed the earth

00:55:54.140 completely and I'm banking on the third one and I think that that would be very interesting

00:55:58.980 considering um but I only I only tease into those directions because again mythos is about

00:56:09.060 the truth painted in words and picture um and it's not literal as in uh the literalness of

00:56:16.980 say um like the torah or the quran or something like that so and so that i think needs to be made

00:56:25.140 on that somebody understands what we're saying we're flapping down literality a lot this evening

00:56:32.820 and that's not that is not to discount any of the realness everything we are saying is real

00:56:41.060 and is true it is a poet poetic depiction a poetic painting of truth emir existed the gods

00:56:52.340 exist they exist they have consciousness they have agency they do things they're just not

00:57:00.980 giant sized vikings they are gods in the essence of what a god looks like

00:57:07.460 we don't know if that existence is something that is corporeal or not maybe it is can be if they

00:57:17.460 want it to be but they're also gods it's not limited to that so when the god of arian

00:57:24.500 consciousness battles the original devouring giant of chaos it's probably not two big dudes

00:57:37.460 in viking clothes fighting with the axe that's probably not how that looks and if you want to

00:57:44.340 die on that hill that that's exactly what it is cool i'm not gonna fight you on that that's fine

00:57:49.220 maybe it is big giant dudes fighting with the axe i'll take it but i don't think it has to be that

00:57:55.620 one of the things that's really important and especially when we have people that are

00:58:01.780 we are in an age where people are very very cynical so they

00:58:07.460 There is an element of our people who are genuinely searching or who have hit rock bottom and are in a place where they are looking for truth and they're looking for reasons to believe.

00:58:21.240 Unfortunately, with the soul sickness that's infected our folk for so long, a lot of people have become very jaded, very cynical, and they're always looking for a reason not to believe.

00:58:32.600 they're looking for a confirmation that once again, they've been screwed over and their leaders

00:58:39.920 have lied to them or people they've trusted have lied to them once again. And this is just more of

00:58:44.920 that. And so it's really easy in a faith that demands that, no, literally, this is what happened.

00:58:52.840 Literally, you know, Moses parted the Red Sea and it parted, and this is where it parted and it

00:58:59.400 pardon because he hit a staff here at this time. Aha, we found archaeology and said that didn't

00:59:05.260 happen. And your whole system breaks down. And, you know, one part of it's false, then it can't

00:59:10.800 be 100% true. Therefore, 0%. It doesn't matter. That's not how our lore works. It's not how it

00:59:17.060 was ever intended to work. These are truths. The truths improve and add shape and dimension as our

00:59:25.120 wisdom and our knowledge catches up but the hyper focus on literality is something that people get

00:59:34.680 into and then if you say something against it then it's very easy for people to like ah see they

00:59:40.320 think the lore is just symbolic and the gods are just symbols no not at all the gods are real they

00:59:44.640 are people they are personality people i don't know if it's the right word they are individual

00:59:50.240 existent personalities that are alive, that have agency, that have will, that are there with

00:59:59.560 individual personality and participate actively in the gift cycle, very actively in the gift cycle.

01:00:07.840 We are both, and I'm assuming those listening to this program have been greatly blessed by our

01:00:13.080 gods because they do actively participate. So please keep that in mind as we continue.

01:00:19.720 and before we get going again shannon bought us five coffees shannon thank you for being so

01:00:26.280 generous we appreciate you and she said love these readings with svawn keep up the excellent work

01:00:31.240 gentlemen five coffees that's 25 dollars i think everybody appreciates the readings from spawn he

01:00:38.360 does an amazing job with it um thank you shannon we appreciate your generosity thank you everybody

01:00:44.760 who's been generous thank you so much and i i um yeah i want to try to make sure that we go through

01:00:55.480 these and give everyone that understanding not only uh the broad sense of translations and so

01:01:02.200 much but how it is such a cornerstone to our church um and so these moments really get give

01:01:09.080 a chance for uh me and i was here to come in and kind of set the understanding um so it's it takes

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01:02:00.600 um so we're about to tread into a spot that i have found over time in aussitrew where cosmology

01:02:14.280 and perceptions that have developed have created some misunderstandings and i i think that the

01:02:21.540 Gilbeginning clears a lot of that.

01:02:26.100 As we move forward here into the sons of Bor

01:02:30.920 create Askur and Embla,

01:02:33.920 there is also some points that I would like to make

01:02:36.780 about heaven and the usage of the word heaven

01:02:41.780 and its point.

01:02:42.940 And it's more or less lending to us understanding

01:02:46.820 how our ancestors saw it.

01:02:49.160 And once it is absorbed, so much more makes sense.

01:02:54.220 And why a lot of the cosmological mistakes that you see scholars and artists that make images of the cosmology kind of get wrong is because they're not really either looking at the way our ancestors saw it or their interpretation of what our ancestors were talking about.

01:03:18.380 is kind of misguided, but we'll get into this. So the sons of Bor create Asgur and Emla. Then

01:03:29.900 said Gangleri, much indeed they had accomplished then, methinks, when the earth and the heavens 0.77

01:03:36.240 were made, and the sun and the constellations of heaven were fixed, and the division was made of

01:03:41.960 days now whence come the men that people the world so at this point we start he's a saying

01:03:50.840 that the gods have established order and time everything is flowing and and um rotating in its

01:03:58.280 its proper paces um and so uh howard answers when the sons of boar were walking along the sea strand

01:04:11.180 they found two trees and took them up and the trees they shaped them one uh one or shaped men

01:04:20.380 of them bear in mind too the usage of the word man in germanic language a lot of modern day people

01:04:28.220 again get very confused and misaligned feminine is unique and it's by itself masculine is shared by

01:04:36.860 everyone so if it's all men that means it's public but only women can be women and so it was

01:04:48.380 the masculine that had to share it with the public don't get us youtube man

01:04:55.340 well we see it here that he shaped men of them and the first gave them spirit and life the second

01:05:03.980 gave wit and feeling and the third form speech and hearing and sight and they gave them clothing

01:05:11.020 and names and the male was called oscar ash and the female embla and of them was mankind begotten

01:05:22.140 now when we see the stories of like rigstula where it's talking about great grandmother and

01:05:29.020 great-grandfather or grandfather and grandmother or father and mother. And again, I am of

01:05:37.960 absolute belief that this is the source, the generation. People ask us, why do you believe

01:05:46.060 that the folk are the only ones? It's because again, Lord Odin is breathing life into the

01:05:54.480 descendants that are descended from him. If we were to say that Lord Othin breathed life into

01:06:00.500 everyone, then that means that all of their belief is null and void. And the people that

01:06:07.260 are proponents of this, when you word it that way, suddenly have to backstep that we're washing out

01:06:16.220 A couple of points I want to put in there.

01:06:22.820 We are talking about the existence of our race of people and our existence and relationship to our cosmos and the world around us.

01:06:35.320 Yes, obviously, at some point, different racial groups, realities exist and they exist in a shared world and shared physical environment.

01:06:47.360 But we make no statement at all towards their existence and how they come about and what their deal is.

01:06:53.940 What is interesting is when you talk about people, a very common thing throughout all varieties of humanity is the word for your tribe or your race is the people.

01:07:12.200 or the real people in our instance the noble people but it identifies you as like you're the

01:07:21.800 people and these are other other things and that's worth noting here the other thing that

01:07:29.400 um gifia lauren pointed out at a really really great talk she did at thoroblo

01:07:37.320 these are two different things that are shaped ash and elm are two different trees

01:07:47.220 they're not the same tree they are two different natures two very different things men and women

01:07:53.180 are compatible and complementary but they are different things the very nature the very type

01:08:01.320 of wood is different between men and women um and i think that that's an important but very subtle

01:08:09.800 um implication of the lore at this point that there is a divine and inherent different nature

01:08:16.840 to ash than there is to elm to asker versus embla so i thought that was really interesting and i'd

01:08:25.160 never thought of it that way or heard that drawn out from the lore until um until uh githya lauren

01:08:32.840 brought that up so i thought that was cool to interject there also lauren's got an awesome

01:08:38.040 song that she made we are i am currently cracking the whip to get people to record that and

01:08:43.880 disseminate it but look forward to that when when her album drops i doubt that but when we make a

01:08:51.160 cool little video with her singing because she did a really good job on a really really nice

01:08:55.720 song that she made and it's something i'd like us to um make use of and sing at different times

01:09:02.360 different places because really well done so good job lauren anyways uh that's what i had at the

01:09:08.360 at this junction yeah uh and of course we were talking about literalism and it's like how how

01:09:14.360 can an ash tree and an elm tree have a child it's not literal and again there's other key important

01:09:20.360 things that are said they are rootless they are floating in the water and uh in the velocity

01:09:27.480 they are rootless and unfated yet um they are of that which is in creation and of the world but

01:09:35.960 are shaped and are different i think one of the biggest defining factors that i always talk about

01:09:42.040 with with um is is the ability for the projection of speech and the idea of being able to speak

01:09:51.560 about a place you haven't been and um uh with people you you you you have not met versus say

01:10:00.360 like the speech of animals that usually speaks in sense of past going someplace

01:10:07.320 having to deal with and survive and then speaking to your offspring about why you should go there

01:10:14.920 or should not go there um i think is another interesting point between animals and um

01:10:21.960 the the human speech if you will but um when we get to the end i so one of the things guys i'm

01:10:30.920 doing this from my phone so i can only juggle so much stuff so i'm not sure when you get to a

01:10:37.080 chapter break when you get to a chapter break let's pause answer some of our questions kind

01:10:43.000 of clear it at this hour and then we can go back into the text all right and while you're asking

01:10:49.320 that the only questions we have so far from the emails y'all so if y'all want to ask questions

01:10:55.000 in the chat go for it that's awesome um or email them to us that's fine too but we need questions

01:11:07.000 so here's where we kind of get into the point where i think a lot of understanding

01:11:13.800 of cosmology gets confused in a modern sense versus an an older and elder sense so on the

01:11:21.640 middle plane in midgard there so they gave them clothing and names they named them oscar and embla

01:11:30.520 and of them was mankind begotten which received a dwelling place under midgard next they made for

01:11:37.240 themselves in the middle of the world a city which they called ausgarth men call it troy

01:11:46.120 now nowhere else is there any mention of our nordic or germanic ancestors speaking of the

01:11:53.560 center of the world where the gods live as troy so this again is re-emphasizing his point in the

01:12:01.160 beginning of the book what we do know though is that the gods live in the mountains specifically

01:12:08.760 because of the usage of the word him in bjorker him in heavenly bjorker mountains or a castle on

01:12:18.120 top of a hill or mountain so um the point of this is is that they are in the middle of the world

01:12:28.120 so they're the center of the world and they are upwards and i think that has far more importance

01:12:33.880 than the literalism, but it also explains much confusion that I get from people asking questions

01:12:41.940 about the lore. Like, you know, how do the gods move into Jotunheim or how do the gods get to

01:12:47.300 heaven is because heaven in the heavenly expanse and heaven, the upper world of the gods is seen

01:12:56.400 as that the gods are connected and, but it's never really emphasized. The only time we ever

01:13:04.180 really see it is when they're mentioning that they cross over or out of, or come down from

01:13:11.480 and things of that nature. So, and then we also realize from other stories that the heavenly

01:13:18.180 mountains are an expanse. And we know that Troy is not built this way, but that there is an expanse

01:13:27.400 upon which the gods live in this mountainous place high above the menfolk and can look out

01:13:35.620 upon the world. And to get in there is hard, crossing a fiery bridge. So sticking to the,

01:13:45.820 Of course, the literalism and our understanding of the world now is to be let go, but yet you can still see it's in the center and upwards.

01:13:57.880 So there dwelt the gods and their kindred, and many tidings and tales of it have come to pass both on earth and aloft.

01:14:08.160 There is one abode called Tleetskalf. And this one is often translated as Hildskelf, but Tleetskalf is like the jutting precipice.

01:14:23.140 And it is there that Allfather, who sat in the high seat there, he looked out over the whole world and saw every man's act and knew well all things which he saw.

01:14:36.580 His wife, Frigg, daughter of Fjorgven, and of their blood is to come that kindred which we call the race of the Aesir, that have peopled Elder Aosgar, and those kingdoms which pertain to it, and that is a divine race.

01:14:58.340 For this reason, he must be called the All-Father, because he is the father of all the gods and men, and of all that was fulfilled of him and of his might.

01:15:10.120 The earth was his daughter and his wife, and on her he begot the first son, which is Ausathor.

01:15:19.660 Strength and prowess attend him, wherewith he overcomes all living things.

01:15:25.320 Now, as we kind of spoke of before, these concise hits are covering other poems, and those poems speak slightly differently or just kind of in a different tempo.

01:15:40.760 But it is worth noting, of course, that Frigg is born of the earth, but it's not Yarth.

01:15:50.160 We don't condense the gods and we don't cram them in, but that we notice the first contact between the gods of cosmic order to the earth is with Yarth and out of Yarth, the son of heaven and earth.

01:16:07.820 Of the tripartite now, we have Odin, the sky father, and he comes down and bears forth, firstly, Thor.

01:16:21.880 But their union is not eternal.

01:16:26.180 It is that moment.

01:16:27.880 And when we talk about marriage, you know, literalism in marriage, the idea of certain things in marriage when we talk about them in stories is about divine beings unifying together beyond just simply creation here.

01:16:41.720 So to say literalism or to say that they're trying to force Frigg to be Yorth because of the common sense or standards of fidelity is kind of not the point.

01:17:01.620 And that moment when he does bring forth Thor, there is the unification of natural law and cosmic order.

01:17:11.720 But the daughter of the earth later, Frigg, becomes his bride.

01:17:19.560 And there the earth was his, and his name was Ausathor, and the prowess attend him wherewith he could overcometh all living things.

01:17:32.580 So the striker is born of the sky and the earth, and he is the the the catalyst, the the the one who defends the edges of Midgard.

01:17:52.180 So we move into the break there, and then we we we have chapter or section 10.

01:17:58.860 all right well if you would can you take us into our questions yes uh let's see okay so um

01:18:11.340 all right uh this one comes from bodie specking good harrell uh can you speak on the aspect of

01:18:20.160 sound in creation i know it's backing up a bit but i'd love for the folk to hear it

01:18:25.620 Yeah, I mentioned it a little bit with the suffix yelmir or gelmir, the G-E-L-M-I-R. And we see this not only in the kin of Ymir, but we see it also for the loud whirlpool, the well of the under in Niflheim is called the loud churner, the loud spinner or torrential whirlpool.

01:18:55.620 um sound is such a key element and we talk about it a lot too lord ovin synthesizing himself with

01:19:04.540 the tree and following the roots all the way down until he finds the runes which are sound

01:19:13.020 and that sound is in essence the the structure the the strata of creation that if there is movement

01:19:22.900 there is sound and if there is sound there is action deed and creation it's that perfect

01:19:28.500 synthesis between fate and will and it happens in sound uh light and um heat and wind and ice and all

01:19:38.900 of these other things kind of are uh descended from the usage of sound in our lore as it's very

01:19:48.900 very important but a lot of people don't catch it because it's hidden um and we see that sound that

01:19:56.500 that every time there's the movement of muspelheim and niflheim to each other there's the cacophonous

01:20:02.660 sound of the hissing of ice and and uh the rocketing of sparks and there is this kind of

01:20:10.260 of always this hidden point of sound um it's worth noting that sound is

01:20:22.420 at its root a

01:20:26.340 a magical act sound takes something from the

01:20:32.420 imagination and birth that something into reality into shared reality sound and vocalization

01:20:49.060 are the first step of of shaping and of doing and in magic you see that in

01:20:57.140 in the root of so many things but like the idea of

01:21:06.180 excuse me enchantment uh comes from the root of to to chant or to vocalize

01:21:14.500 galder magic you're you're vocalizing something into existence a charm or a spell or a song

01:21:24.900 in our lore is your magical shaping will made manifest and we see this

01:21:32.740 in much more subtle ways than the ideas of you know something is a thing when you say it out loud

01:21:40.980 and some people refer to it as like well i'm just putting this out there in the universe

01:21:45.380 yeah because until you did it wasn't a thing you had zero commitment to it

01:21:49.140 but words are magical putting them out into reality is the first step of a thought or an

01:22:00.420 idea having consequence we have you know i don't know hundreds of thousands of thoughts that go

01:22:08.120 through our heads throughout the day some of them just fleeting things some of them you know random

01:22:13.780 you don't know where it comes from some of them you know can't get a song out of your head some

01:22:19.540 any number of things that are of all different levels of seriousness or importance

01:22:26.020 but they don't have consequence until you speak them the first time you're like hey spawn i was

01:22:31.220 thinking about this thing well now i'm open to judgment i've put it out in the world spawn heard 0.59

01:22:36.980 it it's going to shape what he thinks of me like wow that was dumb or like oh wow that was brilliant 0.90

01:22:43.780 or huh, anything in between. 0.90

01:22:47.400 But it puts something from the realm of the imagination

01:22:51.160 into the realm of the tangible.

01:22:52.940 That's why, that's one of the subtle implications

01:22:56.480 of your word mattering and meaning something.

01:23:00.220 You can think that I'm gonna help you do something,

01:23:03.100 you can be kind of implied, I can kind of,

01:23:07.100 you can assume, but once I say,

01:23:08.820 hey, I will do this thing, I've made a commitment.

01:23:11.940 thing has power it shapes hymenia on whether or not i live up to my word or i don't

01:23:18.660 there's not the same concept of living up to your thought or living up to your intention

01:23:24.020 or living up to your belief there's living up to your word your word is your first step towards

01:23:29.540 action and magically it births into the universe we see that you know as fawn pointed out we see

01:23:35.780 that with emir we see that with these yelling guttural vocalizing forces of creation and very

01:23:44.100 importantly again spawn pointed this out but it has always stood out to me since the very first

01:23:49.540 time i read it the idea of odin taking up the runes roaring roaring he took them up that

01:23:58.500 it's profound and if you've ever done um group galder with anyone

01:24:07.140 magical things happen through vocalization intonation through

01:24:15.140 i'm venturing a little bit farther from the topic but i think it's worth noting that's really

01:24:22.100 special something happens when you're with a group of people and you galder together

01:24:27.780 with the long intonations on the vowel sounds of the rooms

01:24:33.620 you find a synchronization with the people next to you and the sound makes a wave to where you all

01:24:42.260 rise and fall together and you have some oddball outsiders that you know are their own special

01:24:49.460 snowflake that make whatever noises but when you harmonize with everyone eventually something

01:24:57.300 happens to where you're not consciously making the sound anymore your mouth your lungs are just

01:25:04.580 riding this wave of sound in a really special way so some of the most magical experiences

01:25:11.860 that i've had in my life revolve around that very sacred very special shaping power of sound

01:25:19.380 yeah i think it's an underlying thing that definitely bodhi brings up that isn't caught

01:25:30.420 all the time so it's huge in in most everything in the stories in relation to speaking pronounce

01:25:38.660 or not pronouncing but uh proclaiming proclaiming speaking singing roaring it's it's everywhere um

01:25:47.780 Um, this next question is kind of an interesting one. Um, uh, is there a similar concept to prosperity gospel within Ausatru? I would say yes, but, uh, you know, in a, in a different sense. And we're actually in the, um, Gilbeginning about to start going into that. I don't know if you wanted me to hit this one first or, um,

01:26:16.880 hit it okay well so i kind of view um when we talk about prosperity and we were just talking

01:26:26.380 about the shaping sounds of the universe that which uh lord odin finds at the core this um

01:26:33.540 the shaping sound of element and movement the first one is feu feu uh as the sound of prosperity

01:26:43.060 the sound of that which gives production, that reproduces or produces in plenty.

01:26:51.840 So, you know, the idea of prosperity within the world as an innate structure of its creation is, I think, one of the key factors.

01:27:04.720 So we have multiple ways upon which prosperity can come to, say, a person.

01:27:13.060 And my understanding of the prosperity gospels is very rudimentary, but the idea is that all prosperity comes from Yahweh, and I'm basing that, my answers off of that understanding.

01:27:27.940 um so i do believe that there is merit-based prosperity that and actually as we're reading

01:27:37.680 the gods gather before the well of earth in heaven that central and upper place where they are at

01:27:48.300 and uh they gather there and they measure out the doom of men measuring out the doom of men

01:27:57.480 is not uh declaring when they're going to die doom of course in its elder usage was fate so

01:28:07.660 they measure out the fate of men and they along with the normia the normia are the kind of the

01:28:16.060 adjudicants of prosperity um and and that really comes from the past all things from the past and

01:28:25.400 what leads you to being either fruitful or unfruitful root themselves in the origin or the

01:28:33.100 pre-origin of yourself. So there's a huge one there. But that there's also the gods measuring

01:28:41.240 out your doom. And when we ask the gods to witness our deeds, we are asking them to take awareness

01:28:48.800 of us and what we are doing. And that is, in essence, I believe the foundation work of

01:28:58.480 meritocracy. It's just written poetically. Please, you know, bear witness to the deeds that I am

01:29:04.640 doing. But what we're ultimately saying is that the gods bear witness to our deeds and that we

01:29:10.720 hope that we are recognized for them and whatever way that the gods deem worthy. So a lot of times

01:29:18.220 we talk about how faith, adherence to the folk and to the faith, to your church, and to these

01:29:26.700 things, the gods take notice of that. And the blessings may come in different ways. Again,

01:29:32.360 the gods know far more than we do. And oftentimes, things that might seem like a detriment end up

01:29:38.620 being a blessing later on. And that, again, is because the gods have, from the well of Urd in

01:29:45.180 heaven, they have a view of fate pouring into the middle world, into the world of men from

01:29:51.580 above and center. So we, you know, we see that. So there is divine blessing. There is blessing

01:30:02.580 from the past deeds, which could then also kind of incorporate with divine blessing. You know,

01:30:08.580 your great grandfather was blessed for his, by his deeds. And so now his, uh, descendants are,

01:30:15.180 you know, given that kind of grace towards, uh, whatever that may be. Then we have, uh, prosperity

01:30:22.440 in the foundations of the world and in movement, moving forth, uh, like in the Halvamal waking up

01:30:28.480 early, the wolf will get his food. If he, if he tarries too long, he will miss his opportunities.

01:30:34.980 So it's really kind of in three ways.

01:30:39.600 It's in the world around us and can be attained by will.

01:30:44.060 It can be attained by deed and by observation of the gods.

01:30:48.140 And the gods do bless us and observe us.

01:30:51.160 That's a big one that I think a lot of folks in Ausatru don't wrap their head around,

01:30:56.380 is that the gods are watching.

01:30:58.240 They are taking in consideration our deeds that we are doing.

01:31:02.480 And that, too, it comes from our descendancy, our hominia, and our overall, the might that precedes us. So not only should we take care in the deeds that we do to be noticed by the gods, to be blessed by the gods, we should also take care in leaving our descendants great luck and might and prosperity.

01:31:27.900 And I don't know. I hope that answers the question. So the gods certainly can bestow upon, but it's not solely just by their decree. And I think that that's a that's something that is worth noting that, again, it can come from your past.

01:31:50.880 But there's also the willful attainment of it.

01:31:55.720 I prefer the witnessing.

01:31:59.120 I think that the gods are more active in our lives than people realize.

01:32:02.720 So reaching out to the gods and saying, you know, if you deem me worthy for the deeds that I am doing to bless me.

01:32:10.340 And I feel that that does happen.

01:32:12.620 But we will cover in the Gilbeginning where it speaks specifically of the past and of the Norns and the Nornir and the the meaning of Nornir being witch and that there are Nornir of the gods.

01:32:27.760 We know them. And then that there are other Nornir.

01:32:32.540 And what this really is, is kind of a descending, stranding system of fate and past and the measuring of Haminya. 0.96

01:32:41.340 But we'll go into that. Do you have – I don't know if you had any thoughts on that as well.

01:32:49.280 I did. So it's hard, and I think that a Christian audience that may be more familiar with prosperity gospel may take issue with my understanding of it.

01:33:06.720 If I'm incorrect on it, then I apologize. But I think that's always been implicit in the understanding of most religion generally, is if you're doing it right and you're doing well with your God, then you get blessed in different ways.

01:33:33.360 Now, I think that there is an element of first century Christianity where that's not the case because they celebrate, I don't know, being miserable.

01:33:46.960 But I think that in European understanding, yeah, your gods bless you.

01:33:52.980 Now, I don't think there's an implicit like, well, if you do all this right, everybody's going to be a multimillionaire.

01:33:58.900 That's not a promise that gets made.

01:34:00.900 And you're not doing the you're not doing right action in order to get paid from your gods.

01:34:09.480 But there is a understanding that you get blessings and your life is enhanced through active participation in the gift cycle and through, you know, living right.

01:34:23.480 The gods give out the blessings that they, you know, so choose to give out.

01:34:30.900 I think that the idea of the prosperity gospel is a little bit more contractual, and I don't think that's the case.

01:34:40.140 I don't think our gods are under any obligation to, you know, shower you with wealth for being a good ostrich you are.

01:34:46.780 but I do think there's absolutely blessings and benefits and ways that your

01:34:52.160 life and your prosperity are enhanced through active participation in that

01:34:57.960 gift cycle and through actively interacting with the gods I believe that

01:35:03.100 very strongly a number of our gods that's something that they're known to

01:35:07.820 do. Um, in the, you know, the archaic Alcetru period, uh, Njordr and Freyr are gods of prosperity

01:35:24.360 and abundance that are known to bless their, um, their worshipers with, with wealth and

01:35:31.200 with being well taken care of that way in, in ancient times, but also in the medieval period,

01:35:39.600 people looked to the all father for, you know, to be more successful financially, to

01:35:46.920 be risen out of, or to rise out of poverty and be blessed with a change in your fortunes.

01:35:56.320 So I do think that element is there and exists.

01:36:01.200 um he did run away he did spawn has has has taken leave for a moment can you read the next one

01:36:13.680 i can so i figured out on my phone how to how to look at the chat room a little bit though it

01:36:18.720 looks awkward and you guys gotta watch me like poke the phone and stuff um just something i've

01:36:25.040 been pondering for a week or so now out of curiosity and boredom what are your thoughts

01:36:30.960 both spiritually and personally on the artificial creation of life rather

01:36:37.540 it is test tube babies cloning etc to give additional context how do we feel about the

01:36:47.060 ability to decide an unborn baby's gender as well as hair and eye color through such methods but

01:36:56.120 most importantly what effect if any do you believe it has on the folk soul of the new life that is

01:37:03.420 created for example would a clone of matt be a different individual in the eyes of the ancestors

01:37:10.320 and gods or would they count towards your own favor and hymenia apologies for the run-on or

01:37:18.580 the run-off questions meant for context uh no apology necessary i think it's a good question

01:37:26.100 what is also a truth that i say i hear a lot the answer is kind of nuanced um

01:37:34.120 I think there are a variety of things to do.

01:37:40.780 I think that the soul of a person is bestowed by divinity.

01:38:04.120 isn't a part of the biological process it is done in the biological process but

01:38:11.260 it's not if you make so and and here's another thing that I think separates it

01:38:22.720 a little bit on nuance taking a sperm and an egg and then in some kind of a

01:38:32.140 laboratory environment mixing sperm and egg to make a person i think that that

01:38:41.260 i think that that being is capable of being blessed with soul by its ancestors and by

01:38:48.700 by the gods i think that if you were to like somehow chemically produce

01:38:57.260 something out of whole cloth that approximates life if you make like laboratory meat that's

01:39:05.340 not real meat or i don't even know how that process works but if it's not the biological

01:39:09.820 process of a existent man's sperm with an existent woman's egg making a baby if it's something else

01:39:19.980 if it's some kind of you know synthetic life form is not the same and i think that's a really

01:39:27.980 fundamental difference i also think going in and playing with the development of the child

01:39:39.980 through some kind of envy and again i'm not a biologist so if my terminology is off on that

01:39:45.740 i apologize but some kind of in vitro like you'd mentioned selecting for hair color or selecting for

01:39:53.580 you could select for intelligence or select for this or that or the other all of that sounds

01:39:58.380 wrong and bad and like uh but if you were to ask me the same question hey what if you could eliminate 0.95

01:40:07.580 childhood cancer or you could eliminate retardation or you know spinal deformity 0.97

01:40:14.460 i'd say no absolutely do that so i think there's room for that to be a gray area 0.82

01:40:20.460 i also don't think the act of doing that inherently negates the ability for that

01:40:26.860 being to have a soul your issue of cloning is one that is different

01:40:34.860 certainly and again if it is done through that kind of a pro not knowing the science makes it

01:40:42.620 hard to answer the question right if it is a sperm and an egg being combined to make a baby

01:40:50.060 then i think that might be soul worthy if it is something other than that then that's a different

01:40:58.060 question to ponder i don't know exactly how cloning works so i don't know what to say on

01:41:06.620 that other than certainly if they made a clone of me it would not be me it would be physically like

01:41:13.260 me we may look identical but we would clearly be two very different people if the gods deemed in

01:41:19.180 some way for that clone to have a soul to it it would be much more like i had an identical twin

01:41:26.860 than like it was two of me that all went into the mat basket i don't it doesn't work that way we're

01:41:32.940 individuals and we are very conscious and aware of our individuality even if there are points of

01:41:38.800 connection like i mentioned in the twin situation you have twins that are very psychically tuned to

01:41:45.440 one another there's a bond there that's not currently scientifically explainable but that

01:41:51.040 we know anecdotally certainly exists but they're not the same person um

01:41:57.240 okay that's a

01:42:02.360 it's a strange side topic that

01:42:06.800 yeah anyways sorry okay i don't know the person's name now and i don't want to be silly on it and

01:42:16.920 i don't really want to go down it that much but because i stuttered and stopped over it to explain

01:42:21.780 why the two-headed girl I don't know what that person's name is they're famous or whatever 1.00

01:42:32.080 they're like a conjoined twin but they got the same body and two heads

01:42:40.260 and I think all the other stuff is the same so I don't that one is a very strange circumstance

01:42:47.780 that I truly don't know exactly how to parse that situation out.

01:42:52.020 But the things that you're talking about, I don't think as, again, my position is 0.79

01:42:57.940 if a white man's sperm and a white woman's egg are combined, 0.96

01:43:06.000 that can make an offspring that the gods can imbue with soul. 0.89

01:43:11.520 um the other stuff on where to stop and how much to do i think it's in very sketchy territory i

01:43:20.480 think at some point completely writing all of the script of what that thing's gonna look like be like

01:43:28.000 is offensive and sacrilegious at some point but i think saving it from a life of misery

01:43:37.520 because you can present prevent disease or mutation or horrible things I think

01:43:45.620 some common sense is is necessary in that and I think there's probably a

01:43:50.360 spectrum of how much is appropriate and how much is vastly overreaching but

01:43:56.300 again I don't think you know clones are not the same person they would all be

01:43:59.960 individual if the process of cloning makes them soul capable spawn what are your thoughts on the

01:44:08.960 subject yeah one this is a really interesting question um and i was more of the mindset that

01:44:20.120 um when it comes to understanding this the reason why it's a gray zone is is medicine

01:44:27.200 medicine, leechcraft, our ancestors called it. There is so much that goes into the health,

01:44:36.300 well-being, or the return to wholeness that is very important amongst our ancestors. So much so

01:44:42.780 that it wasn't simply you live and you die, and you need to die fighting in battle. And if you

01:44:50.880 commit to medicine then you are you're sinning against battle uh we know that medicine exists

01:45:00.240 and and and that brings me to the thought of like literalism if you were to say for thousands of

01:45:07.120 years blood is in our body for you to take our blood out clean it and put it back in like in

01:45:14.560 dialysis um and i know it's far more complicated than that but it's again it's uh that's that's

01:45:21.520 wrong that's bad or that's immoral but it clearly the the working processes even though it goes

01:45:29.680 against the the norm of things i think is what allows it to fall in the realm of medicinal

01:45:37.920 and so when we see um and especially our ancestors knew this being of uh of a people that took care

01:45:47.880 of horses took care of cattle sheep and other animals when they saw the birthing of these

01:45:54.100 animals they would see them some of them were uh too weak to survive and you know you had to

01:45:59.280 leave them out or do what you needed to do or um there were other you know various region

01:46:05.940 reasons that they observed that in the making of the body, there was things that didn't always

01:46:13.900 work out. And I think that that's understood also amongst the folk and that, you know, that

01:46:21.740 the Havamal speaks about giving grace in that terms where, you know, even a blind man or a deaf

01:46:31.600 man can have place in society and stuff that that that stanza is talking about that but

01:46:37.680 medicinally to fix those ailments if it could be done it probably would be done and i think has

01:46:48.560 um that sense so i i'm just reiterating what else harry ago they said is that you don't want to end

01:46:54.560 up stomping on medicinal advancement simply because uh the kind of a perception of perhaps

01:47:05.680 text and i'll throw here as a as a question uh or as a the question was spiritually what's the

01:47:12.400 implication and then also personally so like you know if if i were to have another child and that

01:47:20.300 an option they're like hey we're at this point do you want to give it you know a broad jaw or

01:47:28.820 you know a myostatin inhibitor so it gets super duper freakish hulk swole or do you want to give

01:47:34.660 it all of those benefits no i think that would be inappropriate but hey you know you're we could 0.93

01:47:42.860 make your child healthy and have a good healthy life or your child's going to be retarded or your 0.97

01:47:48.260 child's going to be crippled in some way i would absolutely say no fix the crippledness fix the 0.99

01:47:53.060 retardation hands down i would say fix that so as a personal aside that's kind of my thoughts on 0.95

01:47:59.760 where we are now and it's worth noting this conversation may be way more nuanced and way 0.77

01:48:05.520 more informed you know 10 years from now or 10 years after that um you know when i was growing

01:48:12.420 up in the 80s and 90s if we had this conversation this would be purely science fiction this would

01:48:16.860 be the most outlandish ridiculous science fiction and here you know here we are and it's a very real

01:48:23.400 conversation so something to keep in mind as well and one of the things you were talking about though

01:48:29.540 i really wanted to talk um you mentioned the thing i think you were trying to think of was

01:48:36.200 crisper gene editing is the is the specific term for we can do that but when it comes to the

01:48:42.180 identical twins to my thought even if they kind of maybe shared part of a a hammer or something

01:48:51.280 there's so many parts of the soul and so much of that soul is really built on the experiences the

01:48:59.900 choices and the actions of the person that even if they had the person who the clone came from

01:49:09.840 had some influence on the soul that new being has a lot of building to do as they grow and

01:49:16.880 they live and they become an adult and they become a full-fledged arian so 0.74

01:49:25.360 even if two identical twins lived identical lives did identical things from the cradle to the grave 0.92

01:49:33.440 lived absolutely identical they still are two different people even if everything else is

01:49:40.080 exactly the same they're not one person they're two people even as impossible as that would be

01:49:47.120 they would still be two different souls that just were shared all of the same things

01:49:55.600 and at most the identifleness of their existence would be at least three foot

01:50:00.300 to the left or the right well yeah and i mean that's the thing there's no

01:50:04.720 that's the impossible but even if that were possible they still would

01:50:09.000 be two different things um and i know we're talking about but but just

01:50:14.260 the way things work and the way our understanding works

01:50:18.700 things aren't the same even if they're made identically two things off of the

01:50:23.760 same factory line are not the same thing just our whole

01:50:27.760 concept of linguistics and everything else you know looking at my drawer i have two forks that

01:50:32.240 are identical they're off the same assembly line they're bought in the same batch out of the same

01:50:37.680 mold made out of the same exact material this fork is my fork this fork is your fork we know they're

01:50:45.120 two different forks there's no thinking they're the same it just our conception of reality doesn't

01:50:51.200 that doesn't work and i also i you know i know it's not definitive but i also think that

01:50:55.680 informs how we understand soul and individuality and personhood and all the more so knowing that

01:51:02.720 our soul is in large part built by our shared or by our individual experience in life by choices we

01:51:09.760 make by debt to our reputation that we do by bone to our reputation that we do all of those things

01:51:21.200 even through the tiniest you know mundane action separate us and make us have very very individualized

01:51:28.800 fates and uh souls so let's do one more question and then let's get back in the

01:51:35.280 material for another hour and then we'll finish up the questions all right uh next question comes from

01:51:43.280 hey there question for the show tonight does the afa believe that we will have physical bodies or

01:51:52.720 some approximation of them in the afterlife or is it more an abstract spiritual existence thank you

01:52:05.520 um as long as you don't do a heresy

01:52:13.280 I will aim not to. No, and it kind of also links to what was that tail end of what we were talking about. You know, one of the things that people might not catch to is that, like we speak of post-mortem ascension, that acceptance into Ausgarther by the God's decree is not something that everyone gets to do.

01:52:43.280 That's a glaring difference, I think, between our religion and some others is the bridge to the heavenly realm is is not easily traversable.

01:52:53.360 It is thin, it is it is on fire and it is for souls, you know, brought up.

01:53:00.240 And there is a you know, I speak of the the the souls that travel through the route, if you will, as all routes draw up.

01:53:10.400 But what I'm ultimately getting at is that the soul and the definition of the soul to the body and that the soul is important.

01:53:20.960 It is important to the gods. I think it's also the reason why Nidogar is trying to destroy the third root.

01:53:27.840 But all of this leads to the soul as a being moving forth from there.

01:53:41.460 What we get from the lore is that the hamur is predominantly the shape of the soul.

01:53:50.680 so the hammer is that which is underneath um and it's the the when you get a phantom limb and you

01:54:01.220 have the scratch on the phantom limb it's the the presence of body but it's not simply scientific

01:54:08.000 it can be that which exudes into the room some people's hammer they go far beyond simply their

01:54:17.440 shape. Um, and they can fill that room. I think it's, of course, we talked about it during the

01:54:23.000 soul, uh, conversation of VNS, the closer that one's com compiled soul gets to the woad self,

01:54:31.480 all components become something more and they become more perfect. Not that it's going to make

01:54:40.740 you suddenly not age, but that you are, uh, perfect in your age, if you will. Um, and the

01:54:48.540 woad self kind of exudes that. Um, I think about that oftentimes when like, uh, founder McNallan's

01:54:54.580 like running up the hill or doing pushups past me. And I'm like, Oh, it's cause the woad, that 0.84

01:55:00.240 woad self is, is top. It's like running on all cylinders. But, um, the, the idea of it is,

01:55:08.940 is that the soul is important to the body

01:55:11.520 and that when it leaves the body

01:55:13.640 because the body is part of the soul,

01:55:17.160 what remains,

01:55:18.560 and when we look at what remains,

01:55:20.400 the hamur is that shape

01:55:25.720 that could be bigger

01:55:29.780 or it could be depleted.

01:55:32.680 And that brings into the true tragedy

01:55:36.740 of like ghostly images and we talk about this is um hammer can grow at at a moment especially

01:55:44.980 distressing moments so sometimes when you see like we were talking about ghosts and things in

01:55:50.100 one vns i just can't remember which one and we're talking about how like we're on a civil war

01:55:55.460 battlefield you see the ghostly image of a soldier kind of moving and then they disappear

01:56:02.420 and we were talking about basically hammer growing and imprinting itself leaving its its residue to

01:56:10.020 repeat through the strands of all time um and i don't necessarily believe that they've lost

01:56:18.020 their entire shape it's just again that it's the imprinting it's that the beam of light that

01:56:23.620 makes the shadow and that shadow uh burns itself into the stone um but the hammer as a after

01:56:34.980 death interconnected to the world around not only um to the afterlife that you know passing away

01:56:44.740 and then having strange occurrences and i've seen and had this happen to me um where someone passes

01:56:51.780 and i know they've passed because something strange in the physical world around me reflects

01:56:57.940 that uh and you know that these the the point of consciousness as being both viscerally real

01:57:07.220 and energy or sound um so having something happen i believe comes from the hammer of that person

01:57:17.540 and they don't go unnoticed when they pass and then when they do finally recede and go beyond

01:57:26.000 the veil and they are embraced by their ancestors that they go forth in Hamr and that Hamr can be

01:57:35.180 again greatly diminished or volumized by their deeds and who they are and they're bearing forth

01:57:42.960 in their soul their consciousness of mind their memories their deeds their are their hummingya

01:57:51.920 and that this is all done as a vehicle of power in the philkia philkia being animation power

01:58:01.360 um that which kind of again animates you even beyond your physical form and it's here in your

01:58:07.920 your physical form but it that's what your muscles are doing your philkia is that animated power

01:58:13.540 beyond that uh you you carry with you it is with you it is a part of you it is the thing that moves

01:58:20.640 you on and as you move on and you if you reside amongst the ancestors or if you are drawn up

01:58:27.360 to the gods and allocated to be um a dc or an alvar or if you remain amongst them in the heavenly

01:58:36.800 realm that it is your hammer and your uh soul containments the other components that that is

01:58:45.740 who you are um if there was physicality I mean it's not mentioned but you know I don't know if

01:58:55.220 the concept of being in one realm gives you physicality once you come to another realm

01:59:01.700 that's not really mentioned in the lore so I'm trying to kind of speak from that but would I be

01:59:06.780 Again, we're trying to be intellectually and spiritually honest with our folk, that the clergy are always gearing towards that, where if that was somehow known or discovered or understood, I wouldn't say that that was wrong or terrible.

01:59:27.660 But I believe that many of the parts of the soul that are encapsulated in the leek or in the body are capable of growing bigger and are unrestrained once released from the physical body.

01:59:44.920 So I would say Hamr or shape. And it is vitki or like sorcerers who have the ability to project their Hamr, to place them in dreams or to place them in people's visions or to place them in the real world, perhaps in other ways and shapes.

02:00:09.360 that, you know, is a tell that their hammer is strong

02:00:15.460 and that they have built this presence

02:00:20.060 off of tutelage and dedication and obligation

02:00:27.080 and deep reverence and belief and moving forward

02:00:31.160 that a lot of that can happen.

02:00:33.880 But it's the hammer that always kind of falls on that.

02:00:36.780 because when the body's left behind but the bear is battle bjarke that's his hammer taking

02:00:44.060 physical shape so i mean that would be my answer to that i don't know uh i was here to go the if

02:00:51.900 you're uh yeah so i'm yeah i've been listening um yeah and you covered a lot of things in your

02:01:04.300 answer but sorry no no don't be at all um to simplify um from my end no like i don't think

02:01:13.820 we are inherently existent in a corporeal body after death but do i think that we can manifest

02:01:25.740 in that way. I mean, certainly

02:01:29.520 ghosts and things are a testament to that. The lore

02:01:33.620 talks about those kind of things, be they

02:01:37.140 in a visual, just a purely visual way

02:01:40.440 or in an actual physical sense. I don't think it's

02:01:45.580 beyond the realm of possibility, but I don't think that's primarily

02:01:49.620 our existence.

02:01:50.640 just like i don't think the gods are physically sitting somewhere on like physical chairs made

02:02:00.380 out of wood or whatever they're gods they can be if they want to or whatever that is

02:02:05.760 but i don't think their primary existence is a physical one um so uh and spawn mentioned i think

02:02:12.940 that you know depending upon your lack of a better term your powers after death then sure

02:02:20.660 perhaps you can project your your hammer in a way that's perceptible perhaps in a special

02:02:28.200 circumstance there's some sort of a physical component to it but no i don't think that's

02:02:32.480 the primary it's not it's not like in some other faiths where we find ourselves resurrected on a

02:02:38.540 different planet with like a physical meat body on that planet. Um, but again, if that's what our

02:02:46.880 gods want to do with us, I'm sure that they are capable of making that happen, but I don't think

02:02:51.340 that's the standard order of things. But that said, let's get back into the text for a little

02:02:57.920 that okay yeah and for everybody that is asking questions we're uh you know we're doing uh the

02:03:08.480 lore and answering questions and then now we're we're jumping back into the lore so if you want

02:03:12.960 answers to the questions stick around and we will definitely get to them so we kind of jump back to

02:03:19.920 the ordering of the the world the cosmos and i i refer to this as the gra the rotational movement

02:03:29.920 of the earth as we now understand it in its spherical form but um we we see here this is the

02:03:38.560 coming of the day and the night uh the arrival of day and nowt so norvi or norvi is the name

02:03:49.440 of the giant that dwelt in jotunheim he had a daughter called not she or night she was swarthy

02:04:00.160 and dark as befitted her race she was given to uh the man named nail fatty which is interesting

02:04:09.520 because that's another word used elsewhere but we'll talk about that and they had their son

02:04:15.760 afterward she was wedded to him that was called onar and yard the earth was her daughter last

02:04:27.920 of all was day spring and had her and she and he was of the race of the icier their son was day

02:04:38.560 so in this understanding one is that um very much as we've read in like the volsung saga

02:04:45.600 when a woman and a man get married and they have children and offspring and then say the

02:04:50.320 husband dies or somehow there there is a a split or um something happens and the queen or the the

02:04:59.280 woman the the high woman she would marry in and have children we see this with in in the volsung

02:05:05.520 sagas with sigfried or sigrid the dragon slayer and so on what we see in our stories especially

02:05:11.680 in this period is again the same sense of telling of this so there is the origin of naught which

02:05:19.760 again the night the dark i think is very very important and gives birth to the earth in a sense

02:05:28.320 of animation because yard is not the earth yard is that with a kind of a dominion over the earth

02:05:40.240 just like uh sol is not the star the sun but given dominion over it and mauni is not the physical

02:05:49.440 rock of the moon but is given dominion over it so all of these elements are brought forth by

02:05:56.000 primordial things emir uh the muspel spark the the crags of niflheim but that the gods are

02:06:04.240 are placed in dominion over them in the ordering and structuring so from her uh yard is is is given

02:06:15.280 that dominion over and we talked about too the usage of the word jotin and how the alignment

02:06:23.120 towards the gods obviously the gods and jotens are deeply intertwined um but that the the usage

02:06:31.660 of the word joten by snorri um is interesting because it goes from antagonist to ally and so

02:06:41.740 you know generally we refer to a lot of the uh allyship as oust veneer the most beloved ones

02:06:48.820 um but she um she gives force uh she gets together with delinger who is day spring and together as

02:06:59.900 he is of the race of the ice here because there are many gods that are spoken of being born um

02:07:06.940 it's just that the the main focus is towards oldenville and vey but again the birthing of

02:07:14.120 the gods and the war between the gods, it speaks about how there are many gods who are lost. So

02:07:20.460 our gods are powerful and are organic in the sense that, not biologically, but that they ebb and flow

02:07:30.540 in their number based on the clashing of these forces, these great powerful things coming

02:07:37.400 together. And here we see the union of night and day spring being forth day. And then here's

02:07:46.320 the important thing. The all father took night and day, her son, and gave them two horses and

02:07:54.820 two chariots and sent them up into the heavens to ride round about the earth every two and a half

02:08:03.340 days night rides before with the horse named frosty mane or prim foxy which most people get

02:08:11.500 confused they think of the name of maunee's horse um which i will get to later on um and on each

02:08:19.740 morning he bedews the earth with the foam from his bit and bridle and the how the horse of the day

02:08:25.900 It's called sheen mane or skeen foxy, and he illuminates all the air and the earth from his mane.

02:08:34.760 So one of the big things about that is the the the wording of the two horses, the two horses, two chariots, the two horses and two chariots versus, say, two horses and and one chariot.

02:08:51.900 but the the idea of uh celestial movement through horses is very important and we will find later

02:09:01.940 that maunee's horse is not named one of my favorite things to do if we were ever like

02:09:07.100 long ago we would do in an old kindred of mine we would do lore kind of battles if you will

02:09:14.160 and one of the favorite things that i love to do was to say name maunee's horse and if they know

02:09:20.680 the Lord, they know the horse is not named. But I think that's, again, leaning towards the truths

02:09:27.480 that the gods placed in the stories. When we talk about day and night, now we are talking about the

02:09:35.620 revolution of the earth, the turning of the earth. Two horses go to the sun, and we know that the sun,

02:09:44.520 the spark moves, it turns. There is, but one horse to Mountie and it is unnamed. And that's

02:09:51.720 because its rotation is not based on itself. It's based on the earth. And I think that the gods

02:10:01.680 placed that truth like many others in the stories. And I talk a lot about that in classes at

02:10:10.920 but you know when you when you present these points some folks again read things literally

02:10:17.040 and they don't see um that the the evolution of the of the truth within mythos is powerful because

02:10:25.820 it's not literal and that there are things that i think we don't understand now that will make

02:10:31.540 plenty of sense in our lore to our descendants but as we see and most importantly understood

02:10:38.940 the gods give and place dominion, that Lord Odin sets up the rotations of all dynamic things in our

02:10:51.920 world around us. And you see this in Grimnismal and you see this in Fathrudnismal when they speak

02:11:00.040 of the sun and the moon, that they are shared by all realms is because the gods are in the center

02:11:11.920 of our world and upon the heavenly mountains in their valley where they have the tree and

02:11:19.480 Ausgard. And then, you know, there's the Neithervel where the Svartalf live in here and the sun and

02:11:26.540 the moon move about them uh and they have different names by all of the denizens of the

02:11:33.080 different realms so that's another thing that a lot of people get confused on is why why do the

02:11:38.060 um different realms and i think that's because they get in their mind that somehow

02:11:42.800 the the the like there's like a a realm on each end of a root i've seen that depiction i've seen

02:11:50.000 the shish kebab uh yggdrasil we're like ausgard's on top midgard's in the middle and then uh

02:11:56.880 everything else is kind of at the bottom um and that's a i think a product of that misunderstanding

02:12:04.320 so we see that everything in rotation is made and brought forth in alignment and the gods make order

02:12:11.760 and that's why when we say the icier are the gods of order is because they are making eternal order

02:12:19.120 Whereas the Vanir are gods of natural law because they concern themselves with love, reproduction, children, and even to the laying of the dead and or the ending of life, the fact that the physical body must end.

02:12:37.320 they do this for all things it's just that uniquely our ending and our soul goes to the 0.94

02:12:46.040 ancestral collective that is telgar and i think that's another uh big differentiation between us

02:12:53.720 and say like animals or fauna of the earth um so we move into section 11

02:13:02.600 of sol and mauni then said gangleri how does he govern the course of the sun or the moon

02:13:14.100 howard answered a certain man was named mundul fari spinning traveler who had two children

02:13:22.900 they were so fair and calmly that he called his son moon and his daughter sun and wedding

02:13:31.680 her to the man named Glenn. Both of the gods were incensed at the insolence and took the brother

02:13:40.960 and the sister and set them up in the heavens. They caused sun to drive those horses and drew

02:13:48.160 the chariot of the sun, which the gods had fashioned from the world's illumination, from that

02:13:54.080 glowing stuff of muspelheim which i always try to remind people is it is the primordial sparks

02:14:02.480 of muspelheim but now in dominion of but i also spoke about how snorty was greatly um influenced

02:14:12.320 by hellenistic stories and there is another version of this story written from the school

02:14:18.560 that's from snorty um that is not that it was a man and a and his children and that the gods were

02:14:27.440 upset that he named them but that they are gods themselves so that's an interesting point and i

02:14:34.880 think that this is just again leaning heavily towards uh hellenistic literature when it was

02:14:41.440 being composed um but the sun uh is is brought to dominion over the spark and drives um the chariot

02:14:52.720 of the sun which the gods had fashioned from the world's for the world's illumination from that

02:14:58.880 glowing stuff which flew out of muspelheim those horses are called early waker and all strong

02:15:06.480 which again these translations i have some issues with as uh out of arker could also mean

02:15:14.320 our year waker or season waker and uh is very fast or very swift and under the shoulders of

02:15:24.080 these horses the gods set two wind bags two bellows to cool this spark but in some records

02:15:33.280 that it is so-called iron coolness and there's another reference elsewhere in our stories that

02:15:42.000 uh soul or sun or sunna carries a shield upon which to block the heat of the sun

02:15:51.120 and i find that very interesting recently scientists um found what they consider a

02:15:57.280 radiational helios shield in between um the earth and the sun and i thought that was very interesting

02:16:07.520 um so we can kind of again i am of of belief that these stories hold deep intrinsic truths they

02:16:15.520 have been influenced by other things but that there's uh stuff that it comes to our understanding

02:16:22.400 and the gods are uh purposely uh intending that they they knew that they would return and that

02:16:29.680 when they did return much of the wisdom that we needed to gain connection with them was left in

02:16:35.520 the seeds that i think lord othen specifically kept around um so we move to the moon now the moon

02:16:45.040 steers the course of the moon so mauni steers the course of the that object the moon um and determines

02:16:55.760 its waxing and waning he took from the earth two children bill and hukki bill is a feminine 0.56

02:17:04.000 and hukki and they went from that well called birgir bearing on their shoulders a cask they 0.51

02:17:12.800 called sayer uh and it was on a pole named symbol the the cask is like a bucket or a stone uh

02:17:24.480 vat and um their father is named uh these children follow the moon as may be seen from

02:17:34.000 the earth now this of course is an astrological thing where we get every now and then in our

02:17:39.840 stories a glimpse into our ancestors view of astrological um patterning and the naming and

02:17:47.440 cultural tradition of it fiazi's um eyes or um arvandil's toe or here the the the uh

02:17:59.600 little boy and little girl carrying a pail of water um and jill and jack or bill and hukki

02:18:09.840 But I think it's also very important to know that every time we ever in the stories when they speak of a vat or a cauldron or anything of that ilk, a horn, is that it is the sum of a contained and functional power.

02:18:27.760 And I really do believe this is the ebbing and expanding tide. So that there is this deeper understanding of the ebbing tide and the rising tide moving and that connection through the vat as a connection through the primordial and contained power of water gravitational pull and a lot of that.

02:18:56.320 But it's still very interesting that Jack and Jill may very well have come from their connection between Bill and Hyukki, the two children carrying a pail of water.

02:19:09.420 I don't want to say it because I've seen other written pieces of it where they are walking upon a hill and they are taken up by the moon.

02:19:26.320 And so we clearly see there's a very deep cultural lore there that we're only getting a glimpse of it. But symbolically, the cauldron and the male and female or the projection and the reception of energy.

02:19:44.540 And I think that that lends a lot to Mouni's power over water of the earth or the blood of Ymir. 0.71

02:19:53.640 But that's how things are set about. 0.95

02:19:58.660 And then we move to section 12 of the swallowing of the sun by the wolf.

02:20:03.960 Then said Gangleri, well, the sun fares swiftly and almost as if she were afraid.

02:20:09.900 she could not hasten her course any the more if she feared her destruction then howard made answer

02:20:18.680 it is no marvel that she has hastened so furiously close cometh he that seeks her and she has no

02:20:26.580 escape save to run away then said gang larry well who is this that causes her such disquiet

02:20:34.580 And Howell replies, it is two wolves, and he that runs after her is called Skol.

02:20:44.020 She fears him, and he shall take her.

02:20:49.000 But he that leaps before her is called Hathi, Hrodhvitnissan, or son of Fenris. 0.86

02:20:59.420 He is eager to seize the moon, and so it must be. 0.95

02:21:03.420 And then said Gangliri, what is the race of these wolves? 0.95

02:21:09.120 And Hauer answered, there is a witch that dwells in the east of Midgarder, in the forest of Ironwood.

02:21:17.740 And in that wood dwell the troll women, and who are known as the Ironwood women.

02:21:24.020 And we see this again in our stories. 0.82

02:21:26.000 uh the the uh troll witches riding wolves uh coming from the east from jodenheim 0.81

02:21:33.720 and she bears forth many giants for sons and all in the shape of wolves and from this source are 0.72

02:21:44.920 these wolves that spring so again she is also this is alluding to that she this witch that's

02:21:53.100 being spoken of is Angerboda, the very mother of Fenris. But that these two wolves chasing

02:22:01.320 the sun and the moon. Now, a lot of people don't realize that the sun moves. A lot of people think,

02:22:10.220 well, no, we move around the sun. Yes, that is true. But the sun moves in space. We are

02:22:16.560 moving around while it is moving. And so I think that even though the kind of aha moment that I've

02:22:25.600 had where people try to say, see, they believed in a flat earth and they believed that the sun

02:22:31.320 was chasing the moon or chasing the sun around the earth. And we know that's not true. So it's

02:22:38.160 all bunk. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no. The understanding of the time versus the understanding

02:22:43.880 now and yet the truth still remains the sun still moves and moves swiftly um and what is

02:22:51.360 what are these wolves but the ancient and understanding of doom and time so and they run

02:23:01.140 from them it's same as when lord thor wrestles with ada and she brings him to his knee and they

02:23:12.240 are in they're in the east they're in the far off uh edges um so you know you begin to see the

02:23:20.880 the jotens as more than um simply literal wolves i don't think spawn can hear me

02:23:29.120 can you hear me i can hear you now okay so what i was gonna say is

02:23:34.400 is, yeah, sort of, but one of the, to our ancestors, I don't know how important the astrological

02:23:50.580 progression of sun and moon were or weren't. I think there's plenty of cases to be made

02:23:56.060 that at different times are extremely important, depending on megalithic monuments and other

02:24:00.640 things. What is important, and everyone knew in our

02:24:04.500 ancestors' time and we know now, there is

02:24:08.720 a light that lights up the day that makes us safe

02:24:12.840 and warm and all of those good things.

02:24:17.000 There is a light that lights up the night that's of a different nature,

02:24:21.280 but on a full moon you can see clearly,

02:24:24.620 you can hunt, you can do things by it.

02:24:26.760 these two very life-giving sources of illumination and staving off darkness

02:24:34.040 are under constant threat by two forces.

02:24:39.540 Those two forces really matter.

02:24:42.160 The names of those wolves are hatred and mockery.

02:24:50.260 I think it is extremely relevant in our day and age,

02:24:54.960 and the longer that I've been doing this.

02:25:00.080 That's the thing that holds us back.

02:25:04.540 It's not the government. 1.00

02:25:08.540 It's not the Jew.

02:25:10.800 It's usually our people 0.96

02:25:13.920 that are haters and mockers.

02:25:19.000 It is people that scoff at any great endeavor

02:25:24.140 And if people that just sit back and criticize and have hatred and scorn, those forces are what stamps out the light in our world.

02:25:38.480 Those are the things that threaten all of our forward progress in development, in achievement, in victory, in cosmic progression, is the critic and the mocker and those that scoff at any attempt at great achievement.

02:25:58.400 I don't think it's any small thing that those are the names of those two very particular wolves that seek to devour the sun and the moon.

02:26:07.360 And again, our ancestors didn't think there's big wolves eating the sun and the moon. They weren't silly, you know, mud hut folks. They're very advanced people. 1.00

02:26:21.180 But the idea that these devouring forces of, again, of criticism and of mockery are what threaten our existence and our moving forward as people.

02:26:38.620 And that's never been more true than it is today.

02:26:41.340 So I wanted to make a point of that. 0.84

02:26:43.040 Yeah, and I don't think it's accidental, too, that in the slaying of Ymir, that the gods made enemies of many of the ancient beings that are the Yotnar, and that in an essence reflective of their ordering of the world and creation of things, 0.60

02:27:03.260 There is the mockery and the hatred of those that once reigned in the time of Ymir, hating and scathing against the gods in their ordering of things anew. 0.58

02:27:20.460 um and you know you see that kind of i think that that relationship is established and was

02:27:29.440 understood by our ancestors and that there was that understanding that when the kinslayer

02:27:34.780 laid with uh anger boda that she was of that ilk and that she was filled and that our children are

02:27:44.960 begot of the two of us uh so if if you know two parents get together and have children the children

02:27:51.600 are a production of the two and the kinslayer is that fomenting hatred that builds over time and

02:27:59.840 hers is just the scathing you know then she gives birth forth to these forces that are antithetical

02:28:06.620 to the gods and um you know so uh beauty creation light order formation are hated against and are

02:28:19.820 give you know scathing cynicism against so um so it says the they are called the ironwood women

02:28:32.040 The old witch bears many giant sons, all in the shape of wolves, and from their source are these wolves that sprung.

02:28:39.180 The saying runs thus, from this race shall come one that shall be mightiest of all, and he that is named moon hound. 0.84

02:28:51.140 He shall be filled with the flesh of all those men that die, and he shall swallow the moon and sprinkle with blood the heavens and all the air.

02:29:01.100 thereof shall the sun lose her shining and the winds in the day shall be unquiet and roar on

02:29:08.660 every roar on every side so it says in the velust bow eastward dwells the old one in ironwood

02:29:17.940 and there she gives birth to fenrir's brethren and there shall spring from them all a certain 0.97

02:29:24.480 one the moon's taker in trolls likeness troll is probably the best word i would say for demon

02:29:38.000 demon is a greek word obviously christianity took it from the european language but they

02:29:44.320 were trying to translate their semitic idea of a shadim but words change and evolve over time

02:29:54.480 um whereas just like with the troll the word has kind of become something more diminutive

02:29:59.820 or strictly elemental and there's like a hard hard to define the difference between yachting

02:30:05.520 and troll but um troll is absolutely aggressive and uh and a a threat um and this of course is

02:30:18.900 the wolf um now there is a lot of comparison between happy um skull and fenris as even fenris

02:30:31.620 is said to uh have a mouth that gapes to the heaven and to the earth and will will consume

02:30:37.860 um the sky or consume the sun so what you get is a lot of confusion um as to who is who but i

02:30:46.260 again this is i believe very clear is this is not just fenris fenris is you know waiting for the

02:30:55.860 gods for ragnarok but there is still more forces darker out there uh constantly in pursuit and one

02:31:05.540 must keep moving the gods set things into order so that they could last and uh even cosmic order

02:31:13.620 is pursued by cosmic destruction if you will um

02:31:22.260 and so it says in the volus bow he's or sorry excuse me uh the moon taker in trolls likeness

02:31:29.380 he is filled with flesh of fey men reddens the gods seats with ruddy blood gouts swart becomes

02:31:38.100 sunshine so darkness becomes the sunshine uh in summer thereafter and whether all shifty 0.97

02:31:46.820 wit ye yet or what and this is of course coming from the vulva in the volus bow but um

02:31:55.940 the uh we do not lump even uh beings together in this sense so we're not lumping skull and

02:32:05.780 hathi into fenris oh they're all just fenris no i i am of the belief that they are separate entities

02:32:12.980 sourcing from the same place which is the bringer of calamity or um angrabold the the one who bids 0.81

02:32:24.420 forth terrible things um so then we move into 13 about bivrost uh then said ganglady

02:32:35.780 hey i'm sorry about that guys oh i'm trying to help with the last bit of moving heavy things

02:32:44.540 while i'm listening here and staying in but it makes me a little bit late on the draw one thing

02:32:50.000 that i think is really really important to pay attention to when we look at the bad guys

02:32:55.180 the meta-narrative that is essential to our folk of order versus chaos the 0.98

02:33:08.380 the bad yotnar are uh eightens or items and they're they're consumers they're eaters 1.00

02:33:20.580 They're devourers. When we look at the wolves, we see this imagery of, well, with Jarmungandr, we see constraint. And with the wolves, we see consumption, devouring, destruction through digestion. 1.00

02:33:38.620 our gods and the you know the good guys are about building are about development are about

02:33:50.520 order from chaos beauty growth abundance expansion and the forces of chaos are about

02:34:01.380 destruction they're about destruction about devouring about constraining about holding

02:34:07.620 things back and it's very important to note these themes that run through all of the understanding

02:34:14.500 in our great lore about you know pretty pretty big meta narratives about building and achieving

02:34:24.420 and being noble and structured and ordered versus chaos versus division into smaller and smaller

02:34:35.460 pieces versus all of the things that hold us back through strife amongst kinsmen, through

02:34:45.360 cynicism, through mockery, through just chaotic destruction, burning it down, devouring it,

02:34:52.460 all of those impulses being associated with Jotunar and with Loki and with the forces

02:34:59.520 of of chaos and our gods are defined by their ability to shape to create and to build ordered

02:35:09.840 things a lot of the meta-narrative too is about the society of the gods and of the folk and the

02:35:19.160 threats to that society the threats to the innengard the threats to the inner yard or the

02:35:25.500 kin fence. All the outside forces that seek to devour or the internal forces that seek to mock

02:35:34.760 and to tear down, those are the things to stand guard against. Those are the things that we're

02:35:41.880 warned against time and time again in our lore. And they're pointed out really clearly, I think,

02:35:47.180 through this expression of our lore. So it's something to just keep an eye on and keep a

02:35:54.460 mind towards. All right, so we move into Bivrost.

02:36:12.960 so then it is said

02:36:18.000 by gangleri what is the way to heaven from the earth so in the center and in the upper realm

02:36:30.760 how do we go from this place to that place uh and har answers and laughed aloud now that is not

02:36:38.920 wisely asked. Has it not been told to thee that the gods made a bridge from earth to heaven?

02:36:47.000 It is called Bivrost, though you must have seen it. It may be that ye shall call it a rainbow.

02:36:56.360 It is of three colors and very strong and made with the cunning and with more magic and art

02:37:02.380 than other works of craftsmanship.

02:37:05.560 But strong as it is, yet it must be broken 0.97

02:37:08.640 when the sons of Muspel shall go forth 1.00

02:37:12.040 harrying to ride up

02:37:13.820 and swim their horses over the great rivers.

02:37:18.560 Thus they shall proceed.

02:37:20.780 Then Gangleri said,

02:37:22.740 To my thinking, the gods did not build the bridge honestly.

02:37:27.000 Seeing it could be broken

02:37:28.840 and they were able to make it as they would.

02:37:32.380 Then Howell replied, the gods are not deserving of reproof because of this work of skill. 0.83

02:37:39.180 A good bridge is Bivrost, but nothing in this world is in such a nature that it may be relied on when the sons of Muspel go a-hurrying.

02:37:49.720 So, speaking of Bivrost, or just at this point, there is a path road of light and fire that leads to the heavenly realm.

02:38:01.440 And the questioning of its strength is brought up elsewhere.

02:38:06.960 It is stated that Lord Thor cannot tread upon it, for he will shatter it from his rumbling and the grinding of his chariot's wheels.

02:38:20.000 um so i think most importantly and understanding to the name the word bivrost meaning shimmering

02:38:30.240 path or glimmering way um is interesting in that the accessibility to heaven is not

02:38:40.240 simply open to everyone that there is this way into the heavenly realm that is

02:38:47.600 uh not always of the easiest sense and um emphasizing again when the fire of the sons

02:39:00.300 of muspel cross the southern ocean is what he's kind of referring to in their cosmological view

02:39:06.140 when they come across the great ocean of the from the southwards they will ride to the center place

02:39:12.200 and upwards and they will attack and beset upon heaven and the gods so um i think it's it is very

02:39:21.940 interesting especially when you look in comparison to the bridge that is in helgar which is wide

02:39:28.340 and covered and um ever present it's it's preserved by its roof is because uh death to

02:39:37.420 the ancestors or death in passing beyond the veil is for every soul of the folk that must go through

02:39:48.280 that path. It is broad, but it is selective to gain access into heaven. So let's speak in 14

02:40:00.400 about the residence of the gods and the origin of the dwarves.

02:40:05.420 So then said Gangliri,

02:40:07.940 What did Allfather do then when Ausgard was made?

02:40:12.580 And Hai, or Haur, answered,

02:40:15.560 In the beginning he established rulers 0.84

02:40:17.760 and bade them ordain the fates with him

02:40:20.480 and gave counsel concerning the planning of the town.

02:40:24.240 And that was in this place which is known as Iðavall,

02:40:28.060 or either either field as it's translated here or the valley or the basin of work so in this

02:40:38.860 mountainous place the the districts of heaven are given to gods in the field of work or the place

02:40:47.860 upon which they will build their kingdom um and uh in the midst of this town it was their first

02:40:58.320 work to make that there is a court and in which there would be 12 seats that stand and another

02:41:05.980 the high seat upon which the all-father himself sits that house is the best and made of any on

02:41:12.640 earth and it is the greatest without and within it is all like one piece of gold and men call it

02:41:19.520 gladsheim or hope home um they had they made also a second hall that was a shrine in which the

02:41:30.400 goddesses had and it was a very fair house and men call it vingle next they fashioned a house

02:41:39.120 wherein they placed a forge and made beside hammer and tongs and anvil and by means of these all

02:41:47.340 other tools so we now see a kind of the establishment of a settlement and our ancestors

02:41:55.960 would understand this so the processes of making a settlement and all that that pertains to the

02:42:03.540 gods have now placed themselves in that basin in that valley in in that field of work that uh great

02:42:12.500 place and they are building their settlement so you'll clearly see um connective cultural uh

02:42:23.140 tissues there if you will um where you can see as they're fashioning shrines and they're

02:42:30.340 fashioning tongs it's not a literal sense that they are uh praying to some other gods it's that

02:42:37.540 they are mirroring um what our human understanding would would be that's what the story is doing and

02:42:45.220 we find a lot of cultural things in these components of the stories just like when lord

02:42:50.660 thor gets the hammer at the wedding and they place the hammer in his lap to bless the marriage though

02:42:58.260 though it makes no sense with the Jotnar and the gods to call upon Thor to bless the marriage,

02:43:06.300 but we know that this is from cultural inclinations, so it's placed there and adds

02:43:13.240 great emphasis on why it moves to the next part of the story, but

02:43:17.580 they have hammers and tongs and anvils and by these means all other tools. After this,

02:43:26.060 they smith metal and stone and wood and rot so abundantly the metal which is called gold

02:43:31.260 that it that they had all of their household wear and all of their dishes made of gold

02:43:37.060 and it was at this time that it was called the age of gold again the gods fashion their place

02:43:45.440 in heaven and organize themselves after organizing everything and it brings about an age and that's

02:43:53.860 exemplified as our ancestors would absolutely understand it's like the best of all things is

02:43:59.340 that the the glittering gold is made of that makes the dishes and it is it is that time of

02:44:05.880 great prosperity and absolute abundance um and before it are certain that it was called the age

02:44:15.040 of gold before it was spoiled by the coming of the women and that we know clearly is referencing

02:44:21.900 the Nornir, even those who came out of Jotunheim. Next, after this, the gods enthroned themselves

02:44:32.060 in their seats and held judgment. So they briefly allude to the Nornir. And you would have to know

02:44:41.960 that from the Volusbau, if you read that simply as that's like, but then the women came and ruined 1.00

02:44:47.580 everything. That's not the literal meaning of it at all. It's speaking specifically about the 0.99

02:44:52.740 Nornir. But they give themselves their seats and their thrones of judgment, not only in the place 1.00

02:45:03.520 where they gather at the well in heaven, but also in their halls and become dominion over aspects

02:45:11.740 of creation from that upper place. And next, and called to mind whence the dwarves had quickened

02:45:23.600 in the mold, or in the substrate, and underneath in the earth, even as do maggots in flesh,

02:45:30.940 the dwarves had first received shape and life in the flesh of Ymir, and were then the maggots,

02:45:38.760 but by decree of the gods had become conscious with the intelligence of men and have had human 0.84

02:45:45.960 like shape. And nevertheless, they dwell in the earth and in the stones. So not only is Midgard

02:45:54.040 inhabited by men, it is inhabited by the spirits of the earth within the earth, the Svartalfar or

02:46:06.880 the um the dvergar and we see this begin to move into the naming of the dwarves we see this in the

02:46:17.680 volusval and we see it here and why is it important is because their names have deeper meanings but

02:46:25.040 also that they're these beings of um the earth and their the rumbling of the earth the expanding of

02:46:34.160 the earth the bellowing of the earth all of these elements of the earth are in this the the beings

02:46:40.320 of earth and energy as they interact but also poetically it was super important that uh snorty

02:46:48.560 and the poets of the time they're the the litany of the dwarves um was a way of rhyming words that

02:46:58.640 had completely different meanings but very similar sounds and that was a form of poetics

02:47:07.280 like we have um poetics that are a little alliterative and that they match by strong sound

02:47:16.080 and then we have um poetics that match at the end the words at the end of a sentence

02:47:22.320 well then was alliterative but also just the rhyming of words themselves so that's why you'll

02:47:30.640 see where the the words are very similar and they're sounding completely different in their

02:47:37.840 meanings um and that was in essence kind of a fun almost like limerick way of poetics um

02:47:45.840 And so it says in that they dwell in the earth and in the stones.

02:47:52.880 Moth Sognir was the first and Durin the second. 0.81

02:47:57.640 And so it says in the Volosfau.

02:47:59.940 Then strode all the mighty to the seats of judgment, the gods most holy, and together they held counsel. 1.00

02:48:08.100 Who should of the dwarves shape the peoples? 1.00

02:48:10.880 from the bloody surge of the blue one's bones they made many in man's likeness the dwarves in 1.00

02:48:18.000 the earth as durin said so first off to bear in mind this is the from the bloody surge of imir

02:48:26.960 there is the shaping of the dwarves and the dwarves are so integral to mythos especially

02:48:35.240 in the crafting of weapons and the teaching of wisdoms but also to their antagonism um their

02:48:42.460 sense of ultra grounding versus say celestial divinity and light they are kind of the opposite

02:48:49.060 of that but not necessarily always in an evil sense um but as durin said so there are stories

02:48:57.560 that i am fairly certain we have lost in particular its connection to the dwarves and how

02:49:07.300 later on we'll speak about yggdrasil and in yggdrasil there are four deer or hearts that

02:49:14.600 trample amongst the tree uh the limbs eating the leaves and interestingly enough all four of them

02:49:21.260 have dwarven names, but we don't have a story surviving of that. Um, but, uh, then it goes

02:49:31.500 into the naming of the dwarves and it's, uh, and these, as says, uh, the Sybil or the, the,

02:49:42.760 the cirrus the vulva are their names knee and uh let me let me find the actual knee needy

02:49:52.260 northery southery austri vestry we've already um covered uh the east north or east west uh north

02:50:01.480 and south um so just to give you a like a the meaning of their names like um

02:50:24.760 Dvalin is the dormant or the sleeping one. Thorin is the defiant. Bivir is the trembler. Bavir is the grumbler.

02:50:41.160 um and uh thror is the spurt or the spout um the glowing one the artisan uh nori is the old

02:50:52.760 like old salt uh or the the the rock that's been washed by the waves or the water um so we see

02:51:00.920 these names uh like our killi killi means like a wedge that would you know to cut um for cutting

02:51:07.980 wood but all of these names deeply connect themselves to earth functions earth manifestations

02:51:16.860 crags um lava and and the breaking or the rumbling or grumbling of the earth

02:51:24.140 um and of course to the the land like the place in which bodies the uh dawan his name it means

02:51:32.300 the dead um uh heptifili is the file or the one who grinds down slowly um so we see a lot of that

02:51:43.900 but a couple of other things we see gandalf is coming here soon and a lot of folks are

02:51:50.700 under the misconception that gandalf is a haiti of lord odin and um it is not it is attested only

02:51:57.740 as the name of a um dvergar so just thought that was um worth mentioning since a lot of people

02:52:06.620 kind of on the internet will say oh yeah that's a it's a haiti of lord ovin no the character

02:52:14.700 that tolkien made was clearly made in image of lord ovin but the name is is uh from the dvergatal

02:52:23.820 Um, so, uh, and, and these proceed from Svaurin's Hauger, um, so Svaurin's, uh, mound, and to Aurvanger on, uh, your plain, and thence is Lovarkam, and these are their names, so they're descended in these houses or clans.

02:52:49.160 There's skirvir, envirvir, skauvidir, I'm looking at the, aui, alvir, iengvi, eikenskaldi, fallir, frosti, fidir, ginnir.

02:53:06.460 and again i think a lot of this comes the poetic funness of saying uh these names that mean

02:53:15.620 completely different things but they're said at a i think at a cadence that makes it almost

02:53:20.800 song-like um and i think that's why these are in the poems to begin with um and are a huge part of

02:53:32.860 snorty's interest in ensuring that they're kept in the poems um so we have section 15.

02:53:41.500 or i don't know if you did you want to proceed forward or answer questions um let's do let's do

02:53:47.500 one more section okay absolutely uh so of the ash of the urderbrunner and of the norns and this again

02:53:57.980 it's another big one for me i love this one um then said gangleri where is the chief abode or

02:54:04.780 holy place of the gods and how how are answered that is the ash of yggdrasil so in that place

02:54:14.140 that mountainous place in the valley or the dale of work there is a tree there the ash of yggdrasil

02:54:21.100 there the gods must give judgment every day then gangleri asked what is it to be said concerning

02:54:27.900 that place then said even how uh even how even high the ash is the greatest of all trees and

02:54:36.460 the best its limbs spread out over all the world and stand above heaven three roots of that tree

02:54:43.980 uphold it and stand exceedingly broad one is amongst the icer in heaven uh the other is among

02:54:52.300 the rhyme giants in jotunheim not the ones in niflheim in that place where often the yawning

02:55:00.220 void and then a third goes into niflheim and under that root is very elmer that torrential

02:55:08.140 well that we spoke of and there need augur the corpse eater the great worm gnaws at the root

02:55:15.900 below but under that root which turns towards the rhyme giants is mimmer's well in jotunheim

02:55:22.700 wherein wisdom and understanding is stored and he is called mimmer who keeps that well

02:55:29.740 and he is full of ancient lore since he drinks from the well from gallerhorn thither came

02:55:37.500 owl father and craved one drink of the well but he got it not until he laid his eye in pledge

02:55:45.980 something that you might be noticing is that they don't mention that mimir is a severed head

02:55:51.660 there's no mentioning of the severing of a head so what this kind of i'm theorizing based on the

02:56:01.100 way that they're chronologically writing things down is that there is either a condensement

02:56:07.500 or that the understanding of the deeper poems might have been developing while other things

02:56:15.160 were being written down. Either way, the consumption or the placement of Mimir and the

02:56:22.080 consumption of the water is clear in its connectivity. Obviously, Gjallarhorn too,

02:56:29.160 the horn that is blown from Heimdall. And we don't know if there's a story about Heimdall

02:56:35.160 fashioning a horn out of the drinking horn

02:56:38.160 that is at Mimir's well.

02:56:40.220 So there are a lot of kind of things connected there

02:56:43.700 that are not fully answered.

02:56:46.840 But the Allfather came there and craved a drink

02:56:49.500 and he had to lay his eye in the well as a pledge.

02:56:54.060 Said the Volusbau,

02:56:56.400 All know I, Oðinn, where the eye thou hittest

02:57:02.160 in the wide renowned well of Mimir.

02:57:05.720 And Mimir drinks mead every morning

02:57:08.120 from Valfather's wage.

02:57:11.380 Wit ye yet, or what?

02:57:13.040 And of course, Valfather, Lord Odin, his wager,

02:57:16.020 his price is his eye.

02:57:19.900 The third root stands in heaven.

02:57:23.980 And that's something to consider as well.

02:57:26.560 Virgelmer is the well of primordial source.

02:57:29.060 So the taproot of Yggdrasil comes from there. It is the first root because it is the oldest root, just like the first son is the eldest of three sons. So the third root is in heaven. That is the establishment of that place and its dominion.

02:57:47.720 and it's the the gods and the tree are one out of the original tripartite adumla emir have changed

02:57:56.840 and have been fashioned and moved but yggdrasil remains and the gods are there with it and that

02:58:02.840 is their dominion and the third root of the ash stands in heaven and under that root is a well

02:58:09.480 which is very holy now bear in mind it's not like an enclosed well it's like a well spring because

02:58:16.920 what what's described next is very important and it wouldn't make a lot of sense if you think of

02:58:22.600 it as like a brick well with a bucket um the wellspring which is very holy that is called the

02:58:31.640 well of other there the gods hold their tribunal that's where they gather to counsel each day the

02:58:38.120 i see a ride thither up over bivrost so they come from ausgard or either wall or the flat

02:58:46.440 plane upon which they have built their place and they take this the bridge up into or elevated

02:58:53.800 part of heaven where the tree is and there they gather to counsel and they give judgment

02:59:02.280 uh not anywhere they don't gather to counsel and give the measure of doom doom of men's soul

02:59:08.840 in hell guard or the underworld that's you know and your filca being your lawyer is kind of

02:59:17.080 very reminiscent of a uh egyptian kind of thing but i've i've heard people say it and i it's very

02:59:23.400 hard to you know scratch my head around especially when it is so clear here um that the gods gathered

02:59:29.560 to council in the upper well and i believe that the well springs as skeins of water are representative

02:59:37.080 of movement through the realms like looking into the well is the well of urd the well of fate is

02:59:44.280 looking into all creation and um all creation breaks down and flows into the well of memory

02:59:51.320 but um here uh they gather at the well of erd and give their tribunal and they they go over their

03:00:01.960 bridge icer bridge as uh bivrost is also known and these are the names of the steeds now they

03:00:10.280 leave their either wall where their their uh individual halls are and gather together and ride

03:00:18.440 their horses their cosmic their vehicles um their dominion and uh movement in in the world but

03:00:28.600 poetically and also culturally it was important to name them and the names have great meaning um

03:00:37.800 and these names are the names of the icers steeds slepmir is the best which odin has

03:00:44.920 he has eight feet the second is gladder or happy or joyful joyful riding uh which i think is very

03:00:52.680 interesting because there is a name in greek that also means joyful horse it's the word philip

03:00:58.520 philly opus so the idea of a happy or joyous riding horse or a horse that is happy and anybody

03:01:07.400 who knows horses knows a happy horse is a good horse mean ones are terrible um in iceland we say

03:01:13.080 we only eat the mean ones um you could understand the reasoning behind the happy or glather as a

03:01:20.680 name uh giller and glenner the fifth is skade brimmer and the sixth is silver and topper

03:01:31.000 obviously silver top uh the seventh is sinner and the eight is gissel and the ninth is foul

03:01:37.720 Foul hovnir, or falling hooves.

03:01:42.860 The tenth is guldtopper, which is Heimdall's horse, golden hair.

03:01:48.540 And the eleventh is letfitti, balder's horse, who was burnt with him.

03:01:54.740 And Thor walks to judgment and wades those rivers, which are called thus.

03:01:59.660 So this is another part that throws a lot of people off, where they think that in order for the gods to give judgment, they must leave heaven.

03:02:07.720 But instead, they're failing in the recognition that there are the heavens in the heavenly rivers, the worldly rivers, and then the rivers below. And those are mentioned in the Grimnismal, even though their separation is not really allocated.

03:02:24.040 We do know of the Alvigar, the 11 waves or the 11 rivers in the underworld.

03:02:30.280 Then the other rivers equate out to 11 in heaven and 11 in the middle world, but two of them split twain.

03:02:39.260 But I digress.

03:02:41.420 He leaves out of Ithaval to go to the tree, but he cannot take the bridge.

03:02:48.820 He must walk over or he will shatter the bridge and then meet them there at the tree in heaven.

03:02:56.720 And this has led people to think that somehow they're leaving heaven and going into the underworld to do this.

03:03:03.280 He walks and wades through those rivers called Kormt and Ormt, which you'll notice all of the heavenly rivers, like Thund, which goes around Valhall, is strength.

03:03:16.700 Uh, Kormt is cooling and Ormt is serpentine. They're not very, um, they're, they're very

03:03:27.500 kind of broad in their description of understanding. They, um, don't usually in the heavenly

03:03:33.980 rivers are described as being like, there's the, the garlic or the, the, the river of

03:03:40.040 medicine because the garlic was such an important part of um of uh medicine but there's the oak

03:03:47.820 river the judgment river but then when you get to the rivers of mankind they're the rivers like

03:03:52.600 the river upon which the people sail or the the one that they fish upon and then when you look

03:03:57.740 at the under rivers they're like battle wound and uh you know cacophonous um like thunderer or just

03:04:06.240 you know monstrously loud um and so you kind of see these poetic differences in the rivers

03:04:12.400 as they're placed in the upper um heavenly realm the middle realm or the lower realm

03:04:19.920 and um balder's horse is burnt with him and thor walks the judgment in ways excuse me and

03:04:26.320 the rivers that are called thus corned and orc the cooling one and the serpentine one

03:04:31.600 So again, the idea of seeing the kind of like shish kebab version where the gods have to leave Ausgard because Ausgard and heaven are one and the same.

03:05:00.240 But Ausgarðr is in heaven just as Helgarðr is in Niflheim, at the edge of Niflheim. 0.82

03:05:08.820 And Midgarðr is the place within the other fields of Jotunheim, Vanaheim, Niflheim, and Muspelheim.

03:05:18.380 And it's protected in these expansive places.

03:05:22.080 so the rivers are these heavenly rivers that Thor must wade through to go to the base of the tree

03:05:29.500 and gather with the others. Then said Gangliri, does fire burn over Bivrost? And Haur replied,

03:05:38.340 that which thou seest to be red in the bow or the bow is burning fire and there the hill giants

03:05:45.380 might go up to heaven if passage on Bivrost were open to all those who could cross.

03:05:50.600 There are many fair places in heaven, and over everything there, God-like watch is kept.

03:05:58.380 A hall stands there, fair, and under the ash by the well, and out of that shall come three maids,

03:06:06.020 who are called thus, Urður, Vrdandi, and Skald.

03:06:11.800 The source, or that which, that is of the past, that which comes from the source,

03:06:18.740 that which is now, and that which is the price of now. These maids determine the periods of men's 0.84

03:06:27.820 lives, and we call them nornir. But there are many norns, those who come to each child that is born 0.99

03:06:37.620 to appoint his life. And these are of the race of the gods, but the second are of elf people, 1.00

03:06:44.360 and the third are of the kindred of the dwarves, as it is said here.

03:06:50.960 Most sundered in birth, I say, the Norns are. 0.76

03:06:54.540 They claim no common kin. 1.00

03:06:56.800 Some are of Aesir kin. 1.00

03:06:58.780 Some are of Alfar kin.

03:07:00.960 And some are Dvalin's daughters.

03:07:04.280 Then, and speaking on that, if that causes some confusion,

03:07:09.380 Remember that the Nornir are the adorners of fate.

03:07:15.500 And I believe that the gods, the Nornir, Urðr, Verðendian Skull, these are the Nornir of the gods of order.

03:07:21.940 These are the Nornir with a capital N.

03:07:26.460 But we just talked about the races of men, the folk on the middle world. 0.97

03:07:32.360 And we talked about the races of dwarf or dvergar.

03:07:36.020 And they have their fates as well.

03:07:38.560 And so I'm of the belief in this interpretation that the Nornir application title given to the ones of elf and of elf kind, referring to Alvar in a descendancy, is the Desir.

03:07:55.620 And that the Dvergar have their own maidens and forefathers of fate, their own progenitors determining and helping with their fate forward, just like the gods are determinant of the fate of the three.

03:08:13.580 and then gangleri says if the norms determine the fates or the weirds of men as it is written

03:08:23.320 then they appropriation exceedingly unevenly seeing that some have a pleasant and luxurious

03:08:30.840 life but others have little worldly goods or fame some have a long life and others short

03:08:37.060 And Hauer said, good norms and of honorable race appoint good life.

03:08:43.660 But those men that suffer evil fortunes are governed by evil norms.

03:08:49.040 So one of the big things about this is the adornation of blessings, say, from your Haminya, from your past, from your Nornir.

03:09:04.380 and when we see this in the sagas we see a an example of how the nornir can be good or bad

03:09:11.820 depending on pretty much your deeds is that there is uh in the saga he is having a long-standing

03:09:20.460 war with another gentleman and he decides he's going to attack him and his wife has a dream

03:09:26.940 about the norniers coming or excuse me he has a dream about his norniers coming half of them are

03:09:32.780 wearing white and the other half are wearing black and his wife interprets this that this will turn

03:09:40.380 bad because she's basically saying your nornir have always given you goodness and now the dark

03:09:48.220 half is is a sign that you are at a a fulcrum point and that this decision is going to open up

03:09:56.060 to your nornir turning your fate towards your your death and i think that there is a lot of

03:10:01.820 confusion in the way that people view uh the word nor near the word alvar and how um the connections

03:10:10.700 that the dc or the norns of our past and the alvar of our past blood have in uh disseminating

03:10:22.300 their the hummingya that which is not only made by us but given to us from our forefathers and so 0.66

03:10:31.500 speaking on this is that again if if you do evil in this world the nornir give you that evil fate

03:10:40.620 and it that also passes down to your children so you know be of honorable and noble and goodly

03:10:50.700 and uh work towards that that's that hamina trans uh transference so that brings us to the last um

03:10:58.460 of this section um and then we do you know it will reiterate more as we go on more dwarves

03:11:08.900 and on uh yggdrasil and uh many things are are spoken again that's your go that you

03:11:18.740 i i saw your the screen go out for a second there i

03:11:24.080 check and see you're back okay i am back and i appreciate that we've gone through

03:11:30.820 i don't know i think a lot of meaty things so far tonight for some reason you're uh it's hard to hear

03:11:40.780 you i don't i don't know if that's the universal thing or just hard on your own oh nick no it's

03:11:50.340 not it's something you're covering up the mic or something it feels like okay am i now you're good

03:11:57.620 i can hear you there okay uh sorry guys next week i'll be back to my normal setup hopefully and not

03:12:05.780 doing this janky phone version um

03:12:11.780 greetings all could you say that odin is the god of self-mastery thank you

03:12:20.340 It's fine. What say you? 0.97

03:12:23.680 Yes, I see many proponents for that, but I also see that often it's overemphasized and then other things are lost.

03:12:35.480 Lord Odin is the god of our folk consciousness, and there is the sense of mastery.

03:12:42.620 we've spoken about it in the woad self or the the other attaining the other and lord odin's name

03:12:50.140 is olden it's again that that which inspires drives or um encapsulates our perfect version

03:12:59.980 um and i so i don't think that that's coincidental in any way and of course he gives older in the

03:13:05.980 mead of poetry um and it's you know even freya has older that that pinnacle um whatever it is

03:13:15.420 that the other being either the the attainment of that perfect thing like like a chalice or

03:13:21.900 the the attainment of um the like the the jewel we we've we've heard in mythos and stories about

03:13:31.420 the attainment of the the the one object that exemplifies perfection and it often is in the

03:13:40.620 the word older and so lord odin is i believe observing perhaps teaching and helping some

03:13:51.100 folks who have a relationship with them but the observance of our souls to attain other

03:13:58.220 so that they can be brought up and placed in his hall or placed in heaven to aid the gods in their

03:14:06.140 furtherances against chaos i think that's also why nidogger is trying to tear that root um is

03:14:13.020 because any passage that helps souls formulate themselves better on midgard must be destroyed

03:14:21.180 and that lord odin is is doing that and one of those ways i think is a lot is through self mastery

03:14:27.180 but oftentimes people will say he's faustian that he um makes deals in order to gain the the benefits

03:14:36.540 of things but bear in mind a lot of that happens to save the other ice here to stave off ragnarok

03:14:42.940 to save humanity um many of the sacrifices made by lord odin aren't simply just for the self and i

03:14:50.140 the only reason why i bring that up is because it's often overlooked that he is desperately

03:14:56.860 staving off extending that time it's the one time where fate and will are in complete clash

03:15:03.660 with each other and lord othen is riding that skein and in that time he is staving off calamity

03:15:11.740 of ragnarok for the icier for for the folk and so a lot of those sacrifices aren't simply selfish

03:15:20.140 sacrifices. Even upon Yggdrasil, placing himself and synthesizing himself on Yggdrasil,

03:15:29.700 the mastery of the self and the power that is gained is good, but the purpose of finding the

03:15:35.780 core powers of creation, the sounds, aid the gods, and they pass it on to men.

03:15:43.420 so it's not always selfish um and i think that that's not emphasized enough but

03:15:54.620 i agree for the most part yes the self-mastery is a huge uh component of lord odin and attaining

03:16:02.900 the other yeah i i'm always i'm always hesitant to you know so and so is the god

03:16:13.020 of x because i don't ever want to be limiting odin is the god or a god of lots and lots of things

03:16:21.260 one of those things is certainly self-mastery i think mastery generally and i think that a

03:16:27.980 large component in overall mastery you know one of the supreme components of it is mastery of self

03:16:35.900 so certainly i think odin is a god of self-mastery undoubtedly

03:16:43.020 You brought up, too, which I never thought of until you brought it up, about the mastery over, like, Gary and Frecki, and that symbolic of why they're at his heels.

03:16:56.400 He's sitting, yeah, sorry.

03:16:58.240 You can expound on it much better, but.

03:17:00.780 No, absolutely.

03:17:03.880 So, yeah, Odin is certainly a god of self-mastery, among many, many other things.

03:17:11.620 Next one's kind of interesting.

03:17:13.020 because I think the answer is real nuanced

03:17:16.160 and it may not be the same answer for everybody.

03:17:18.780 Question, how do you separate a genuine communication

03:17:21.640 with the gods from a mistaken communication?

03:17:25.220 Sean?

03:17:26.900 Okay.

03:17:31.780 So you said, can you say that again?

03:17:33.920 Because I just.

03:17:37.060 Yeah, so I am doing the covering up the microphone thing

03:17:40.240 because it's right where my fingers go normally

03:17:42.700 when i'm using my phone and i never think about it i'm sorry um yeah the question is how do we

03:17:49.740 separate a genuine communication with the gods from a mistaken communication yeah um and i think

03:17:58.380 we've spoken about that with when uh some people take like every uh raven or crow that they see as

03:18:06.380 a sign versus the implication of what i would consider like an omen but um communication with

03:18:14.540 with the gods sometimes can be um interesting uh if we gain wisdom from the gods

03:18:26.140 and we are asking of it then it would because of their dominion lend to the idea that if there is

03:18:35.100 some sort of answering it is from the person the the holy divine that we are um calling out to uh

03:18:47.260 or again and i was thinking like it's the same with our ancestors etc when we call to our ancestors

03:18:53.420 and ask them for for guidance and things that it would be of the multitude it would be them

03:18:59.980 as those that we've named out unless we say you know any of the ancestors or any of the gods i

03:19:06.940 would i would you know wish for guidance and then it gets kind of uh you know it's not easy to say

03:19:17.580 um but when you speak to a mistaken communication um a lot of times you're you're correct folks

03:19:29.900 mental uh sense whether it's convoluted by trauma or by um just misinformation uh or

03:19:44.780 their perceptions are off for some reason in some way and it's not always in like some

03:19:49.340 somebody's fault but the idea is that they they get these uh notions they've been communicated to

03:19:56.300 remember too that like sound and echoes sometimes the gods communicate to us in

03:20:04.740 indirect ways and sometimes even the things that i think we interpret as being perhaps wrong lead

03:20:12.920 us on a pathway to where the gods know we will end up so sometimes even mistaken communication

03:20:21.720 is not necessarily foul in its nature, but instead the processes may be far longer than

03:20:32.760 our comprehension is. I interpreted something this way, and then over the course of years,

03:20:40.920 I began to realize that it was this way, but what I learned in that evolution of time

03:20:46.980 is so important to where I am now.

03:20:51.420 So that's where the gods start to being at the well of earth

03:20:56.200 and having their godlike powers and their ability to see fate

03:21:01.140 and move into fate and place the ripples in the skein of the well and so on

03:21:05.540 is where it gets very hard, I think,

03:21:07.740 humans to understand the depths and levels upon which they truly enact themselves

03:21:14.720 in the world around us.

03:21:16.980 And that's where I, you know, I kind of feel sometimes mistaken communication isn't always a mistake, if you will, but brought about to us because of our perceptions being miscued.

03:21:35.560 But the gods know that. They know that we're not ready to see the truth in perhaps the way we should be able to see it 10 years from now.

03:21:42.440 So things come to us in a mis-eskewed way because our perception are mis-eskewed, but it guides us towards the correct way. I mean, that's kind of how I view my coming to the church and coming to the AFA. I've been out of truth for so long, and I have tried many different things and failed.

03:22:03.620 I have made kindreds. I have been with other people and tried to do things. And they all

03:22:11.300 taught me such valuable lessons. And when the gods were leading me in those directions,

03:22:18.840 I never, I mean, I look back at them now and see that they were kind of, either I was mistaken,

03:22:25.380 or the gods knew that the value of the wisdom that I was going to learn along these pathways

03:22:29.980 that i would consider dead ends now ultimately weren't dead ends they were a cumulative wisdom

03:22:36.460 to who i am and where i am now so i mean that simple question alone is really interesting

03:22:42.460 because you can't really break it down based on just the communication and mistaken communication

03:22:50.540 yeah so i've never heard it asked quite that way um

03:22:59.980 i mean i think there's two things how can you determine whether something is communication

03:23:06.760 from the gods and then a whole second thing is how do you make sure you're getting the right

03:23:12.960 message from communication if you decide that it is from the gods and

03:23:18.420 it is an art and not a science it is something that you learn over time and you figure out

03:23:25.740 I think that things that have been genuine, things that have borne out in my life to be genuine communication from the gods feel different, are crisper, are staying in your memory in a different way.

03:23:48.320 They're not difficult to recall or to recall detail of, you know, years, decades down the road.

03:23:57.460 They're very different that way.

03:24:02.620 I think some of it depends, you know, it's much easier to make that judgment in retrospect than in the moment.

03:24:11.140 but I think when you build a relationship with the gods

03:24:17.460 through the gift cycle over a period of time

03:24:19.340 you learn to recognize that feeling and what that is

03:24:23.680 and I think hopefully you learn to

03:24:26.660 interpret it better

03:24:29.500 I think that

03:24:38.280 It's very, you know, in my experience, communication with the gods is, you know, very rarely a, Matt, do this exact thing this way at this time, go.

03:24:50.480 It's much more of a feeling, an impulse towards something, a flash of inspiration or a steady push of inspiration towards a thing.

03:25:02.580 i think that getting the general point of what you're supposed to do

03:25:14.180 is a much easier thing to come by than getting an exactitude of exactly how you're supposed to

03:25:21.060 implement the general inspiration or directive that you get from from the ice here i think that

03:25:29.500 learn to understand it better over time and what i could you know the best i could advise

03:25:35.100 is to try to be fair be aware of yourself in the greater scheme of things let that factor into your

03:25:44.140 pious attempt at at deciphering the messages and then you know going to your altar and

03:25:52.540 Praying and asking, you know, asking for guidance, asking for, you know, clarity so that you can implement their will in a better way or so that you can understand them better.

03:26:05.740 Building that over time is a long process. And it's again, it's an art, not a science.

03:26:12.220 But I think it's something that's learned and refined over time.

03:26:15.360 I've got to go back and look at my questions

03:26:23.860 here

03:26:24.240 and while you're doing

03:26:26.040 you're uncovering your mic

03:26:27.380 alright

03:26:31.920 so Svon

03:26:36.500 question

03:26:37.060 Gabo

03:26:38.080 gift for a gift 0.87

03:26:39.440 we were shaped from logs

03:26:41.180 then we shaped logs in the form of the gods

03:26:44.400 in return

03:26:45.080 Odin's mother is Bestla, best of a tree. Theological implications. Go.

03:26:55.140 Okay. Well, Bestla, best of the trees. I'll start from the most recent and work backwards.

03:27:02.220 That is actually not established. It's a theory as to her name. And that is a theory that some people have placed out there.

03:27:18.380 I am actually of the belief that her name comes from the word besetia.

03:27:25.620 Besetia is where we get the word beset, to beset the table, to organize things in its proper place.

03:27:36.540 um the uh and i you know looking at um some of the things where that some have wondered it means

03:27:47.080 plant fiber uh or or wife or union um from the germanic word boss um uh but the other is you

03:28:00.820 know the best of of of her bloodline um but i i find that interesting the theories suggest that

03:28:10.120 it translates from the word bark or bast plant fiber but one of the ones that i've always kind

03:28:17.960 of lent towards was in the origins of the word besetton which we get from old english and that

03:28:25.640 the theorized root word by linguists is besitanya, to set around, to set near,

03:28:34.700 and that she and bor, whose name means to bear up, have actual function names in the etymology

03:28:47.200 of these words uh of bearing up and besetting near uh in particular um the land around uh

03:28:55.440 yggdrasil but as far as the the components of um its implication like that assumption we don't know

03:29:09.200 about best law and it meaning bark or best of tree and so that one kind of you know

03:29:20.640 cuts that however we do know that warriors are referred to as trees oaks of odin oaks of thor

03:29:29.360 ashes of of odin or you know the the trees the trees of war these are all references to man

03:29:37.360 mankind men warriors beings um and uh you know we see that connection

03:29:46.640 so the usage of the tree in relation to the shaping of men

03:29:53.680 is i don't think outside of any uh consideration the biggest thing is is that they were uprooted

03:30:00.000 and unfated. So they are not set in the order and the plans of the gods. They are taken out of the

03:30:11.480 water and they are shaped and given. And so then given breath and shape and hue and are brought

03:30:18.880 into the divine order of the gods um so i i kind of um i don't think that there is a theological

03:30:29.920 implication based on the fact that the way your question's worded is that best law is theoretical

03:30:37.860 we don't know if it means bark or plant fiber i don't honestly believe that's actually the

03:30:43.840 etymology of the word, but that it's the word to beset or to gather around. Also, I think that

03:30:50.440 has implications like a mother with her children about her. But that would be separate of the

03:30:59.960 usage of trees in relation to men and that's used all the time. The shaping and the being

03:31:11.520 is always interconnected with trees trees and men are um poetically synonymous in a lot of ways

03:31:21.940 but i think those are two separate things and i i don't expect i didn't i don't think you expect

03:31:28.980 me to like well you know best law uh and the best of trees and then just kind of like dive into that

03:31:36.520 But, you know, the theorizations that people have on linguistics about certain words, they go into on a pathway.

03:31:48.000 Somebody will suggest it's, you know, it's very close to this, like plant fiber or bark and kind of really just hone in without stepping back and also looking at there's still, again, great amount of possibilities and interconnectedness.

03:32:05.700 if looking at boar and his name and the bearing up lifting or holding or bearing the weight um

03:32:16.980 and best law in their unit in their uh relationship together once you do that i think that lends to

03:32:24.740 looking down different avenues because once people get one thing they hone in on it

03:32:29.620 and um i am of the belief that the etymology of her name comes from the word beset

03:32:35.700 or yeah to order and lay things near or in proximity to something

03:32:45.300 uh and i believe here we have the next question um one sec so okay um

03:32:59.700 i've got questions i just got a different screen every time i got to look at the chat um

03:33:03.620 Um, before we do that, uh, Jill donated a dollar on rumble, um, and to monetize and

03:33:17.840 ask you a question, it's fun on Frazehoff's mural, did you paint a sunrise or sunset behind

03:33:25.760 the mountains?

03:33:26.760 A few of us guessed sunrise because the mural is on the east wall of the house.

03:33:31.980 No, actually, it's a sunset. The harvest day ends. The reasoning behind that was that he has a bale of hay, so the work is done. Like the Yira rune, the cycle of work to reward, work has been done and reward is carried.

03:33:56.560 so um that was it was left to be ambiguous initially and i wasn't going to emphasize it

03:34:04.800 and it was kind of going to be sunrise if i had done skid bladner or star the slice blade his his um

03:34:14.400 boat and have the elves coming out that it i and did something else with his left hand

03:34:20.640 But that changed like mid-drawing. So it is, in essence, the day at the end where harvest is made.

03:34:35.700 Okay, so we've got a – sorry, I've got to go back and forth. The interface is awkward for me.

03:34:43.420 two more questions are you going to watch the winter olympics uh olympics originate in greece

03:34:50.880 during pagan times plus a lot of winter sports originate with our people like skiing

03:34:55.340 which we have gods associated with like scotty it's fine you're gonna watch the winter olympics

03:35:01.640 yes i'm absolutely i love hockey and i love the winter olympics um that last part was a little

03:35:09.640 interesting uh about skadi but i i think one it's clearly stated that ullur is the lord of skis

03:35:22.100 so it's ullur maybe they were mistaken um i would certainly pray to skadi for no avalanches for sure

03:35:29.460 but um you know uh ullur is the lord of the hunt he's the lord of of self-reliance and

03:35:37.420 self-determination and he's the lord of um dueling and self-defense and i think that a lot of people

03:35:45.140 kind of they think oh like here's the god of the skis but the skis and what they represented to

03:35:50.520 our ancestors were ways to travel across great expanses of environment so you know him being

03:35:58.040 the god of skis is is really about self-mobility and self-resilience which is another part with

03:36:05.320 his self-defense and his, you know, the hunting and attaining meat in the winter time. There's

03:36:11.200 a lot of that. And I think people read into it quite literally. Um, I know like in Colorado,

03:36:16.420 there's a Skavi or Ulerfest and it is, um, a ski fest, which is cool. I think that's in our blood

03:36:24.320 kind of reverberating that, but, um, definitely going to be watching the winter Olympics.

03:36:29.400 love skiing love hockey it's my favorite uh it was a it's yeah that's kind of been with me ever

03:36:36.900 since i moved my brothers were very much into it before we moved to america and then when we got

03:36:43.520 here hockey was just as big here as so yeah yeah i no honestly probably not i always kind of mean

03:36:54.960 to and i never end up actually watching the olympics i'm never really aware of when they're

03:37:00.620 on so i don't really i don't really do that but i might check it out um

03:37:07.760 i got such a bad taste in my mouth the last olympics with the gross um opening ceremonies and

03:37:16.740 stuff i think it really depends on how degenerately politicized the atmosphere around it is whether

03:37:26.280 i'm really gonna fully engage or not um but yeah there's there's events that are are fun to watch

03:37:33.720 that i'd like to watch if i remember and i might end up doing mandy might take an interest in

03:37:37.800 wanting to watch uh some of that this year i wanted to say um you said the gross you know 0.78

03:37:45.000 festivities where i was joking about how like basically transvestites spit in the face of 0.69

03:37:51.640 bacchanalians and the last supper which early christians made look like a bacchanalia to 0.76

03:37:58.040 convert greeks to their kind of judaic religion so it was a triangle of just like oh the real

03:38:06.660 people that should have been offended uh offended were the bacchanalians it was just it was an 1.00

03:38:10.840 absolute terrible kind of it's just showing of how far things have descended it's gross 1.00

03:38:22.440 yeah and then um

03:38:26.200 our last thing tonight is

03:38:30.040 can you speak about the community in tennessee is there a single property

03:38:33.320 for afa or are afa folk each getting their own places within the county plan right now is

03:38:39.560 everybody's getting their own place within the county um there is room and ability for people

03:38:46.040 to do different things uh as we move down the road there's a couple um a couple advantages

03:38:53.720 towards that so we want if we're all in the county it's about a 30 minute across distance

03:39:02.440 any point in that county which would be nice and gets us very close to where we can do stuff

03:39:07.080 regularly um and really build a community of ourselves there we can also have you know

03:39:13.720 representation in the county the more of us get there the more we're a genuine element of the

03:39:19.720 county a significant portion of their tax base a you know an actual demographic measurable

03:39:30.440 quantity of their county which is a really special thing to do for us and i think a big step forward

03:39:35.720 It also affords us the opportunity to be integrated into the community to where people know us, see us, we're neighbors, we do things, we interact, and we can build reputation in that way.

03:39:51.620 It's also a number of cool things about the county.

03:39:57.780 If you want to live in a very suburban way, really close to a big town, the southern end of the county, you can technically live in Cookville and still be in Jackson County because the urban sprawl.

03:40:11.580 There's, you know, post office lists, Cookville addresses that are, you know, just over the line, but in Jackson County.

03:40:18.980 You can technically be in the county, but still in a good-sized city.

03:40:23.320 I say good-sized, decent-sized little city.

03:40:26.380 You can also be in a small town like Granville or like Gainsborough, or you can be out in the country if you want to farm, if you want to ranch or whatever you want to do.

03:40:37.820 There's certainly land for that, but there's also neighborhoods and things that way.

03:40:43.860 So there's really, you can have most of, most of whatever kind of dream existence you want

03:40:50.100 there.

03:40:50.600 And that's what we're working on right now.

03:40:53.580 Again, early in the morning, my wife and I and our daughter are going to be driving that

03:40:59.340 way and moving into town of Gainsborough.

03:41:03.480 We have a number of other people who have, you know, are planning to do the same.

03:41:09.440 A number of people coming out of the woodwork, wanting to talk to our realtor, wanting to

03:41:13.800 get set up and and think about getting out out there which will be awesome so we've got a lot

03:41:19.140 of energy behind it right now and i'm excited about moving that forward but that's how it's

03:41:23.900 sitting at present that is what we've got going on right now it was great to go over this with

03:41:35.960 you guys tonight i am looking forward to our next installment of it because there's so

03:41:40.600 so many very very valuable things

03:41:43.600 in this particular piece

03:41:44.860 so I appreciate you guys being with us

03:41:46.640 also appreciate you bearing with my

03:41:49.040 subpar connection

03:41:51.360 and staging and set up

03:41:53.320 tonight

03:41:53.660 but I'm looking forward to talking to you guys again

03:41:57.120 on the next episode I will be in

03:41:59.280 Tennessee

03:41:59.840 so that will be awesome

03:42:01.960 and yeah thank you guys for your questions

03:42:04.560 for your donations and for being here

03:42:06.320 Spawn thank you so much for

03:42:08.020 um participating with us and sharing the wisdom on the lore and reading to all of us thank you

03:42:15.480 thank you for having me and this these are good problems out here you're yeah no it's awesome

03:42:20.760 it's just a little bit a little bit rougher of a broadcast tonight because of it but i thank you

03:42:25.300 guys i'm excited we will see you all a little bit later um until then hail the icer hail the folk

03:42:31.660 Kelly AFA. And remember, victory never sleeps.

03:43:01.660 We'll be right back.

03:43:31.660 Thank you.

03:44:01.660 Thank you.

03:44:31.660 Thank you.

03:45:01.660 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - February 05, 2026

2⧸4⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 187 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 2

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