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00:12:32.180I think Nick, you might be getting, you might be picking up some of your stuff.
00:12:38.200But yeah, I try to generally run my bloats, whether they are small or big, the same.
00:12:50.820And, you know, adding on a meal or adding on a chance to sit down with the family and talk about Ivan or any of the heroes and their sacrifice, their willingness to be truffle to the gods, despite threat of imminent death.
00:13:13.420Olaf Tryggverson, the serpent, the traitor, you know, once he had you in his confines, it was always, you know, choose the God of peace and love or die.
00:13:30.480And these brave men stood up against that, knowing that there was thousands and thousands of years of tradition that they were not willing to just let go, not just to get by or to be released, but so that they would not be witnessed by their ancestors and they would not be witnessed by the gods as turning on them.
00:13:59.860So, hugely important. I think that, you know, we honor many heroes for different reasons, because everyone has their own kind of specific way that they've been graced by the gods and, you know, bring forth the troth or the Ausatru loyalty to the Aesir.
00:14:27.460um but it's unique when you like with ivan and with the route the strong and with oliver of
00:14:37.360eggvir those guys specifically were under the imminent threat of death and knew that the gods
00:14:45.880and the ancestors were watching them and praying that one day they would be vindicated and we are
00:14:53.500that vindication. So I think that's, you know, really important. And that's generally the way
00:14:59.500I do it. I'm going to answer the question, but I also wanted to cover something that came up in
00:15:07.860the chat that is pretty pressing. For those who don't know, yesterday morning, Mr. Valgaard Murray
00:15:15.120of the Ausatru Alliance, passed away and rejoined his ancestors.
00:15:21.360So I did not ever get a chance to meet him, of course.
00:15:25.440He was more of the old guard, I guess, so to speak.
00:15:28.660But he was a great friend to many members in the AFA and a good friend of former All-Sagre
00:22:59.960So one of the things that everyone here, if they're not familiar with, um, the, the,
00:23:05.540the, the consecutive stories of Helgi, um, one of the interesting things about it is
00:23:13.500that helgi is a hero that has multiple stories those stories are actually connected to sigurd
00:23:24.620the dragon slayer um mainly because there's like light references in the poem like one or two lines
00:23:33.580that makes connection between Helgi and Sigmund, who is Sigurd's father.
00:23:43.260Sigmund is the one that pulls the sword out of the wood in the center of the hall that Lord Othyn buries in.
00:23:52.840and again this is um clearly an arian um myth cycle the the removal of the of the weapon or
00:24:03.960the sword um buried in the stone or the tree um and you know we find those that's where the
00:24:12.200tripartite that i keep talking about comes from that's where um the loss of the arm
00:24:20.760or the loss of the hand whether we're talking about king nuata of the irish or or lord tear
00:24:27.240and um we see these arian like hallmarks of stories throughout all of our people um and
00:24:39.080you know i think a lot of people fail to just simply observe um these notes and um another
00:24:47.960thing is is at the time snorri stutlerson was really trying to make sure that the poems of his
00:25:01.200people of the icelanders and ultimately all of the the nordic folk uh of pre-christianity um
00:25:09.840he wanted the poems to be perceived as in equivalency with classical literature
00:25:18.000um at that time greek um poems stories roman versions um were absolutely the pinnacle of
00:25:32.120of education and societal view and so he wanted to show that uh even though it was different
00:25:43.960they it was on par um and didn't want to be to have his people just simply perceived as
00:25:50.520you know shoulder pelts and and black face paint um and i i mean i think he succeeded but i i do
00:25:58.920believe that there was some padding on his part to make sure that things flowed together but again
00:26:08.120this is a unique one because it's also held in um saxo grammaticus's um uh guest of the norm the the
00:26:20.280tales of the of the starting and the kings of denmark so we have these separate stories loosely
00:26:29.240connected to um sigmund and sigurd the dragon slayer and stories in even in the classical
00:26:39.560literature um there's multiple versions of the herculean story um depending on where you were
00:26:48.120and and how you know it came about different emphasis of you know who uh his mother was or
00:26:55.000how she treated him and uh or or even his death um so we find the same thing going on here with
00:27:02.840with helgi um perhaps too we could you know say that it's the same with sigurd with um if you're
00:27:09.880from the on the nordic side you would know it simply as the volsunga saga but um if you're
00:27:17.720going from the german side it's you know the ring der nibelum um i think i got that right um
00:27:25.480so these stories brought into high legend and mythos are incorporated with history and the magic
00:27:38.360and um elements it becomes like a braided rope it's not simply just one thing and um we see that
00:27:48.040because there's mention of uh oddly and it is a pretty good guess that oddly is attila the uh the
00:28:00.280invasion of the huns into the eastern germanic people was greatly uh affected them but in
00:28:10.920particular that there were eastern germanics that were around when the huns um invaded
00:28:20.280and then they eventually moved southward and were in around the aegean sea and uh even the black sea
00:28:29.720with the in ukraine and in rome and then there was a breaking point in rome and then a large
00:28:37.720amount of these gothic eastern tribes started to move back northward they settled in germany
00:28:46.760they settled in england they settled in denmark and a great amount of them crossed over the baltic
00:28:52.680and settled in sweden and norway and what they brought with them were these stories but by the
00:29:00.200time they're you know spoken in iceland recorded down um they're compounded into um far less
00:29:12.280historical far more uh spiritual and mythological so you know bearing that in mind we're going to
00:29:20.120be covering now these these different stories of helgi tonight we're just recovering one um but the
00:29:27.640the future um series will be going over these and so helgi is a kind of hero warrior um
00:29:39.400uh repeat or he has a series if you will and a lot of people think that he was um introduced
00:29:52.720after the migration of these eastern tribes that came back to their their land of ultima thule
00:29:59.620and um mainly focusing around denmark because the fact that saxo um
00:30:09.400made, you know, such a, the fact that he was in there as well, kind of lends towards that, that he was perhaps after migration period, and the Danes kind of spoke of these stories about Helgi, and then the bards or poets and scalds spread that throughout the rest of the Nordic lands, thus making him, like solidifying him in.
00:30:37.940So you can see that the poetry about him is choppy. A lot of the poets were only expected to perhaps recite a couple of verses from a poem. It wasn't that they were going to do an all-nighter and go through the entirety of the thing.
00:30:55.500So Snorri and Saimondr compiled these down and in. But the fact that what we have now went over to Iceland, I always wonder, you know, if there were stories, poems that didn't make the transfer over.
00:31:15.720because the stories were present um you know they were people telling the stories but the moment
00:31:23.500they got placed into poetic verse is when they kind of entered the time capsule um a lot of
00:31:30.940information was lost in that process but the actual poems were completely saved because of
00:31:38.060that process so these are where i think there's three of them that we'll be covering and we're
00:31:44.540covering the first one um and this is um helgi hyurvatherson um and we'll start with verse one
00:32:05.340And Chorvath was the name of a king who had four wives.
00:32:14.140One was Alfhild, and their son's name was Haven.
00:32:21.300The second was called Sairith, and their son was Humlung.
00:32:28.000The third was Sineryoth, and their son was Hinling.
00:32:37.540King Hyorvath had a great vow to have as wife whosoever woman he knew was the fairest.
00:32:49.020So right out the gate, let's address the multitudes of wives.
00:32:58.000um again our uh the the royalty often did this with um you know first wife and then every wife
00:33:10.540thereafter could be kind of a of either um a sense of treaty um where they had to make peace
00:33:19.660war offerings um in which you know someone was conquered and then they would offer up
00:33:25.600to make and end um the war um and i think that a lot of folks get caught up in that because they
00:33:34.400they have presentism um when they when they push this um i see that a lot of uh new age
00:33:43.040kind of the the fuzzy bunnies if you will um the crystal um crews they um you know they twist and
00:33:54.900bend around this because they don't like it when their ancestors you know don't follow their like
00:34:04.980ultra modern marxist ideologies um but in reality that that was seen as a common thing it was not
00:34:15.780common amongst the the warrior middle class because of numerous reasons one descendancy
00:34:23.460issues who got the land who got the money um so it i think too that the the show of it being that
00:34:34.500there's multiple wives is also kind of a this person has enough money to take care of all of
00:34:43.300these children uh this person has enough money to um ensure that his wives are all taken care of
00:34:51.700um so it really does bring into question about um the social morals or mores of um
00:35:05.300weddings and there's a really interesting um book called women of the viking age that kind
00:35:12.100of it's it's a little bit of a dry book but it does kind of go into reasoning and rationale
00:35:19.300as to why um and and what function marriage had um in relation to the different classes
00:35:28.180um very very interesting read um also i i just looking at the names here i find it
00:35:36.020really interesting the the women's names elf hild or elf of battle um anybody that sees
00:35:44.180the word alf in a name should know or just keep it in keep it in your mind um is uh a being that
00:35:55.460synthesized with you know that uh that particular subject so gandalf is an elf that's completely
00:36:05.220synthesized with a wand or magic um and again it could be poetic it doesn't have to mean literally
00:36:12.580um but take that with the case with like swan hills i mean anybody who's ever poked a swan
00:36:19.760knows they do choose violence but um you know at the same time there's also sigh
00:36:28.600which means ocean rider or like a sailor or somebody who rides on the waves um i find that0.97
00:36:39.200really interesting the these the naming um of these women um you know and that could simply
00:36:48.400just as be too that her um her father or her mother took very well to traveling and you know
00:36:58.500going across the water and it's more or less kind of a feeling of of traversing so um
00:37:07.700Um, so in this case here, it says King Hjordav had made a great vow to have as wife, whosoever woman he knew was the fairest.
00:37:22.440So the fairest woman of the, of, of the land and Hjordav is, you know, coming for hand in marriage.
00:37:30.200but we do see in most of the sagas a lot of these cases the man goes forth and the father
00:37:42.940will generally say you know it is up to my daughter but I see it as a good match or I
00:37:51.780do not see this as a good match so um you know i think there's a lot to be said but again if a king
00:38:01.300comes uh a calling i think there's a lot more um play and power in there um
00:38:10.400And at the same time, this could be all references to characters of Eastern Germania during the migration period, during the time of Rome, or some of these characters at least.
00:38:31.160and um they could be pulled in and needed for certain things so the the poets of the time would
00:38:40.920construct uh like reasonings why they were there um marriage and so forth sometimes they would also
00:38:49.000make people brothers and sisters or you know fathers and son and mothers and son just to
00:39:24.600who went to woo Sigurlin on behalf of the king we see this again a lot of people with
00:39:34.300presentism don't like to hear this but the idea was that you sent a representative to
00:39:42.260um you know your prospective wife um asking and negotiating and speaking and it was seen as
00:39:52.880illegal to kill him um if he made offense by asking so sometimes you know you go to ask and
00:40:03.080they take offense because you're of some blood feud of the past and they kill you
00:40:09.180um it was less so if you had a third party there yeah this is uh that scene in the lore as well
00:40:17.960of course when uh holy fray sends his hero skirnir to go woo uh gareth for him in case anybody was
00:40:25.620wondering if that's found in the lore right yeah and it um we see a lot of these cultural nuances
00:40:33.240with um that perhaps modern audiences might not understand in this case you know oh why is he not
00:40:41.380you know hitting her up on the cell phone um but that's kind of what presentism is it's like
00:40:50.640kind of the the equivalency is uh you know why why is he you know not in her dms
00:40:58.640um and it sounds absurd but it kind of is we a lot of folks don't understand the way that
00:41:06.260things are structured another great point is um the specific focus on um mimir in relation to
00:41:19.120lord odin uh being his uncle because uncles had a structural um point when the father dies the
00:41:30.200uncle steps in from the mother's side to kind of be the father figure um so you know when bor
00:41:38.340um you know like lifts the gods up uh from the deluge of um emir he passes and so mimir then
00:41:50.980becomes the the the masculine figure in his life and if we don't know those things some people do
00:41:57.820some people don't it it becomes odd why specifically his uncle or you know um why is he
00:42:05.900sending a representative so gotta bear that in mind um so uh he had a son called atli who went
00:42:16.740to woo sig sigirlin on behalf of the king uh he dwelt the winter long with king svafnir so this
00:42:25.640means he goes forth and he asks to be hosted for the winter which was you know a huge thing
00:42:33.400in the summertime not so much but to be housed over for the winter and to be kept safe
00:42:40.040um there was a yarl called franmar sigirlin's foster father
00:42:49.720his daughter was named aloth the yarl told him that the maiden's hand was denied
00:42:57.640And then Atli went home. Atli, the Jarl's son, stood one day in a certain wood forest. A bird
00:43:07.900sat in the branches over him, and it had heard that his men called Hjørvath's wives the fairest
00:43:15.720woman. The bird twittered, and Atli hearkened to what it spoke. And it said, a couple things just
00:43:24.820about that this is again one of those um aryan uh kind of call signs uh something that you will see
00:43:36.900in multiple branches whether it's gaulish uh you know uh central germanic slavic and uh hellenic
00:43:47.220um the stories of of the of the talking birds and even further if you go east with the um0.54
00:43:53.780with the uh um i just right out of my brain the louisans the louisans and the hittites
00:44:03.940um the the persians or pre-persians and all the way to to um india um and the unique thing about
00:44:13.860this with sigurd the dragon slayer is that the one way that he learns how to hear the voices of birds
00:44:22.820is that he's drenched in dragon's blood and he or and he eats the heart of a dragon
00:44:29.700um but in this case it doesn't seem to be implied um but is a you know in one story it's
00:44:40.420through great a great event and in this case it's not and we find this in folk stories when
00:44:50.340like the young maiden goes out into the woods and she speaks to um a raven or what have you like in
00:44:57.700many german folklore stories um so when you see something like that that's like a call sign that
00:45:04.820shows um it is probably heavily influenced by um like western aryan traditions um
00:45:15.940Um, so the bird says, sawest thou Sigurlin, Svafnir's daughter, the fairest maid in her home and land found, though Hjørvath's wives by men are held, goodly to see in glasir's wood.
00:46:07.360at least spoke choose not your vath nor sons of his nor the wives so fair of the famous chief
00:46:19.540ask not the brides that the princes are fair let us deal in friendly wise so let's not
00:46:28.560let's not talk about all of these you know machinations going on let's just
00:46:34.960speak about other things let's speak as friends um i was looking i wanted to see um
00:46:47.240in which the king that he's that he's he mentions um the or the and the famous chief
00:46:54.040But I assume he's talking about Hjorvath. But one thing, too, is Glossier. Glossier is spoken of by Snorri, and it is mentioned as being like a heavenly forest, which I thought was pretty interesting.
00:47:16.800Down in the bottom here, Snorri in the Skald Skarpermal quotes that Glacier stands with golden leaves before Odin's Hall in heaven.
00:47:31.680So again, but I, you know, here it's not seen as that.
00:47:40.260And I think that that causes a lot of confusion when we start talking about the geography of the cosmos and why some people have interpreted things to be drastically, you know, wrong and perhaps even think simply that like Ausgard is by itself in the upper realm.
00:48:02.620Um, the bird spoke. A fain will I ask and alters many gold horned cattle. The prince shall give me if Sigurlin yet shall sleep in his arms or free of will. The hero shall follow.0.99
00:48:24.800this was before atlee went on his journey but when he came home the king asked of his tidings
00:48:34.260so that's kind of an insert added in to kind for context is that speaking to the bird happened
00:48:42.940before he went to go and speak to sigurlin and uh
00:48:48.440You know, he's asking for a gift cycle, he's asking for an altar, he's asking for cattle to be, you know, driven there, maybe grown there, or slaughtered there for him.
00:49:09.560When he returns, the king asks and at least says, trouble we had, but tidings none.
00:49:18.440Our horses failed in the mountains high.
00:49:21.480The waters of Saimor, we need, we needs must wade.
00:49:28.040Svafnir's daughter with rings bedecked, she whom we sought was still denied us.
00:49:38.520So it took so long because the weather was bad and we got stuck in the mountains.
00:49:44.080And even after this long and arduous journey, we were denied her.
00:49:52.540Um, and again, the gold bedecked, the rings bedecked, uh, rings upon our fingers or rings
00:50:02.560upon our neck, um, certainly to, you know, our ancestors held a great sense of, of, um,
00:50:10.360the value in presenting, um, with their, with their riches.
00:50:16.960I think it's funny. I wonder how much like Protestantism and the bare boneness that our folk have kind of absorbed has turned back on the way our ancestors are perceived because our ancestors wore bright clothing and, you know, painted things brightly and wore, you know, their jewelry, their arm rings, their rings on their fingers and around their necks.
00:50:46.020And, you know, again, it was seen as a very positive thing. And I think that a lot of like that, the Protestantism of like bare boneness or you can't show off wealth and you can't have things that are gold and shiny and just, you know, draw forth a lot of that awe.
00:51:09.700Um, and just, again, wealth shows vitality and, um, you know, you clearly see here as
00:51:19.140this is one of those, um, I don't know, like, uh, it's a mark of beauty.
00:51:27.400We hear that about the white arm, um, or the white hands.
00:51:32.840And we, we hear it about the fair hair and also being bedecked in gold.
00:51:39.700So, um, and I know I'm, I'm kind of hitting these stanzas like one after one after another,
00:51:52.720but if you see anything that question wise that sticks out in the chat, please let me
00:52:01.540Um, so feel free to, um, you know, flag on the play.
00:52:09.700all right will do um so the king bade that they should go another time and he went with them
00:52:21.080himself this time but when they came up on the mountains they saw svalvaland burning and mighty
00:52:29.040dust clouds for many steeds the king rode from the mountains forward into the land and made a
00:52:36.760night stay hard by a stream, so he sets camp. Atli kept watch and went over the stream. He found
00:52:46.340there a house. So now we're starting to get back into the mythos of things. And remember, too,
00:52:53.700that this might be certainly that the name Atli has connections to Attila. But one thought that
00:53:03.260had was is that um the nordic folk would oftentimes pull names from uh incidences or stories um people
00:53:15.420would hear the stories and oh i love that name i'm gonna name my kid atli um or finn or kiartan
00:53:23.100and these are not nordic names so i didn't want to i don't want to be confused with saying that
00:53:29.020this is atli but again we're seeing here an invasion um the burning of of the land somebody's0.96
00:53:37.260come in and and really mucked things up so you know again very reminiscent of the huns um
00:53:48.460okay so they uh they set up camp by a stream atli kept watch and went over the stream
00:53:57.100he found there a house a great bird sat on the housetop to guard it but he was asleep
00:54:05.500atli hurled his spear at the bird and slew it and in the house he found sigirlin the king's daughter
00:54:14.140and elof the jarl's daughter and he brought them thence with him jarl franmir had changed himself
00:54:24.540into the likeness of an eagle and guarded them from enemy and host by magic not very well though um
00:54:35.020uh hrothmar was the name of a king a wooer of sigirlin he slew the king in svava land
00:54:43.580and had plundered and burned the land so um franmar comes in to svava land and starts0.94
00:54:53.740burning and pillaging and um aloft takes the daughter of the king and the daughter of one0.85
00:55:03.420of the jarls and runs to the borderlands and is hiding in a house and then he magically changes
00:55:10.860his shape to the form of an eagle and sits on top of the house but atli um seeing the purpose of this
00:55:19.740great eagle um slew it and most likely especially through our ancestors eyes i believe that they
00:55:31.420did not see this as simply a like a a little eagle but like a great
00:55:38.460eagle um clearly outside of of the realm of of normality
00:55:44.220um so jarl franmar had uh changed himself into the likeness of an eagle and guarded them
00:55:56.260from the enemy from a host by uh enemy host by magic hrothmar was the name oh excuse me uh
00:56:03.100hrothmar was the one that has um come in and started burning everything um he tried to woo
00:56:10.700Sigirlind, and most likely was denied. And then he was just like, well, then I'm going to0.96
00:56:17.760raise your kingdom. He slew the king of Svalvaland and had plundered and burned the land.
00:56:24.840King Hjordvath took Sigirlind and Atli took Alof, or Alof.
00:56:31.240So Hjordvath was trying to take Sigurlin as his wife, and Atli takes the Jarl's daughter from this place, and they leave.
00:56:50.200Um, Hjordvath and Sigurlin had a son, mighty and noble in stature. He was a silent man, and no name stuck fast to him. He sat on a hill and saw nine Valkyries riding. One of them was the fairest of them all, and she spoke.
00:57:12.780A couple of things about that is the idea of like a name attachment, you know, the reason why like Ragnar had leather britches as his last name or blue tooth or split beard, these name attachments.
00:57:33.080But, you know, here they're kind of correlating his silence as kind of also his overall demeanor is that he is not a man who goes out, does, you know, crazy things kind of in the background.
00:57:52.660um so no name stuck to him and the other thing that's worth noting here too is now in this story
00:58:01.380we are starting to see how valkyrie and dc start to blur um in myal saga very similar he is sitting
00:58:14.420out on the water and he sees his dsir show up um and there are there are the ones dressed in white
00:58:22.660and the ones dressed in black so the usage of dsir and valkyrie um is oftentimes interchangeable
00:58:33.780which causes you know a ton um of different things and then again they are seen as
00:58:40.900as uh separate magical beings not always you know of the line so or the of the bloodline so um
00:58:52.660the valkyria she speaks and she says uh late wilt thou helgi have hordes of rings
00:59:02.260thou battle tree fierce though battle tree fierce or of shining fields the eagle screams soon
00:59:10.420if never thou speakest thou hero hard thy heart may cry so you know she tells him that he will
00:59:20.500never gain renowned he will never great gain bright deeds he will never establish himself
00:59:27.180You know, even though he's a strong and stalwart warrior, he will not be remembered or known just no matter how great his heart cries out.
01:00:43.580there lies a blood-flecked snake and a serpent's tail round the flat is twisted
01:00:55.580a limi was the name of a king whose daughter was svalva she was a valkyrie and rode air and sea
01:01:05.820she gave helgi then this name and shielded him off thereafter in battle so now we kind of get the name
01:01:18.620of um the valkyrie and there's some interesting points of this one i think that the general way
01:01:31.280we spiritually see the valkyries as perhaps you know extensions of the will of lord ovin
01:01:36.320um in this case you know she doesn't fit in the list of um mentioned valkyrie um so
01:01:48.880you know whether she's a mystical being a spiritual being a dc or or that
01:01:55.600the possibility of the souls of mortals to be raised and brought in um is you know it's
01:02:04.000referenced elsewhere too that uh you know in order to become a valkyria you you have to be
01:02:10.560uh you know a virgin um i can't remember exactly where that's mentioned but here we see
01:02:19.040the title of valkyrie and that she could ride on the land and are in the air and in the sea
01:02:26.800clearly denotes her as a spiritual being but um was she raised up um or is this again the usage
01:02:38.960of the title valkyrie is kind of just being placed in like it would be placed in with
01:02:43.440you know, with Disir or Anornir of the kind of like lowercase sense.
01:02:54.960But Ailemi is also mentioned in the saga of the Volsungs.
01:03:01.580So there's just these little ties to that story that show that these kind of stories were crossed over and tailored to connect with each other.
01:03:40.080So at this point, Helgi is, you know, speaking out against King Hjormath, saying that, you know, he has failed in his duty, letting fire take the homes of his people.0.92
01:04:00.820So, um, yet Hrothmar, still the whore doth hold the wealth that once our kinsmen wielded, full seldom care the king disturbs, heir to dead men he deems himself.0.89
01:07:23.060the ships are covered with shields bravely ye look and little ye fear the name the king i would know
01:07:34.820otley speaks now here's another thing that you'll see in stories there will be this kind of
01:07:41.860um tricking they will you'll have like your right hand man your thing your um you know man at arms
01:07:50.420and he would step up and kind of pretend to be you know the the leader it's it's very much the
01:07:58.100same as in sigurd's story um where sigurd stands in and then completes the tests and gains access
01:08:06.580to the valkyrie so we see um all of these kind of common points um real quick i would be remiss
01:08:19.380if i did not point out that uh the ulterior gothi would uh say that it says spake rather than spoke
01:08:27.860or speaks i know he loves his uh ale spake a verse so right i know i'm i have a tendency my brain
01:08:36.660will just switch it to um or kind of you know i know but i need to i need to maintain the integrity
01:08:46.100of the writing and the translation um i just have a bad habit of kind of doing that anybody that has
01:08:54.500kids uh that reads stories you have sometimes you have to do that in certain stories kind of tweak
01:09:02.900them a little bit um especially when the you know there's older words that that and i'm not saying
01:09:08.740that the audience is kids but i what i'm saying is the habit starts to build up and then i start
01:09:15.460applying it to everything not good so yeah i will i will correct um let me see here um
01:09:26.900so otley steps up and he says to the daughter of the giant he he's at least spake helgi
01:09:36.100his name and never thou mayest harm to the hero bring with iron is fitted the prince's fleet
01:09:43.540nor can witches work is work us ill so sorry one he's standing up and simply states helgi is the
01:09:52.260king but you know that he's talking to a supernatural being because he says that our
01:10:01.140ships are fitted with iron and witches troll which jotin you know which um the ill working
01:10:12.340kind of dark and shadowed brood that descends from emir that you know wishes great harm upon0.93
01:10:21.940gods and men he says that iron is here and that you cannot fix your witchcraft against us
01:10:32.500um and that doesn't i mean it's kind of going without saying with swords and
01:10:36.980shields and what have you that iron axes you know but um you know the the idea that because the word
01:10:46.420that's used is is yarn barki um and i've wondered if like that means in relation like specific iron
01:10:57.860or iron shaped in a specific way i know that a lot of people talk about the modern day like the uh i
01:11:05.940think it's called a troll cross um that looks very similar to like uh the odol or othal room and um
01:11:15.140you know i wonder if our ancestors knew the specific um shape but you know the note that's
01:11:23.380here is that the ships were fitted with iron shoes at the bow and the stern um but this is
01:11:30.180not certain of the practice um if not you know that uh the idea again that the heads of the ships
01:11:40.340would uh shake or scare land spirits and that iron being fitted to the front and the back would
01:11:47.860certainly kind of emphasize the disruption of the land spirits that that our ancestors saw
01:11:56.580that the land spirits weren't always just great and good and also you didn't always treat them
01:12:04.500with deference you you treat you treated the land spirits of your place with deference but when you
01:12:11.140went into a place of your enemy disrupting them scaring them or what have you was absolutely a
01:12:19.300tactic those that wish us woe wind your way from here right right and it and i mean in a way um
01:12:30.180it's like it's kind of like you don't want the land spirits to warn
01:12:36.260the the folk that you're coming to fight or aid them in any way so you have to scare them away
01:12:42.260and i you know al sarah really spoke or he speaks about that when he says too that a lot of times
01:12:48.100our folk get caught up in the idea that uh they're gonna be you know cursed or elf shot um
01:12:56.340because you know the the the scary stuff the ooga booga stuff but um our faith our will
01:13:05.700and our drive does have effect is it good to disrespect land spirits for no reason i would
01:13:12.900say no but the idea again is that you we have an effect on them just as much even though they're
01:13:20.500you know they're working in the realm of the unseen so um
01:13:28.980uh then then hrimger spake and hrimger means um ice or snow or kind of the built up
01:13:42.900combination of the two, and gader is a wall, a fence, an enclosed place. Very, very fitting name.
01:13:55.760She says, who now, thou mighty man, art thou? By what name art thou known to men?
01:14:05.340He trusts thee well, the prince who wills, that thou stand at the stern of his ship.
01:14:12.900at least spake and 15 atli am i and ill shalt thou find me great hate for witches i have
01:14:24.720oft have i been in the dripping boughs and to dusk riders death have brought so
01:14:35.160here you know that makes me think of the meme where we see like the our ancestors and their
01:14:44.320nice clothing and their trimmed beard and nice hair and then they see like someone dressed like
01:14:50.220a member of the band helium and they're like ah troll witch you know like ah um0.61
01:14:56.720you know he's clearly standing up to to this um creature and she's already trying to work her0.96
01:15:08.440perhaps discord sewing discord and um he says uh and ill shalt thou find me and remember too
01:15:17.500the usage of the word ill and the way that it's kind of emphasized as being um you know you will
01:15:25.320find nothing but aggression from me you'll find nothing but uh the return of malice and he says
01:15:31.960um and often have i stood at the front of his ship um and to many dusk riders that's um
01:15:46.440uh the usage of that being either perhaps doomed men men who are about to walk into the night
01:15:53.960i.e death or that the raiding tactics of the you know the norseman at the time was um built around
01:16:05.080you know kind of raiding at night um but i always found that kind of um a really cool name uh
01:16:15.720poetically for um raiders and warriors but fell the reader um the dusk riders but he
01:16:24.520you know fought them and and took them out as well um
01:16:33.480so again and just to remind everyone you know the beginning is setting up about
01:16:38.280your father and his wives and him trying to go and get another wife and then there's this
01:16:44.760you know great war and at the same time helgi separate place is bestowed the location of a
01:16:54.680great sword from a valkyrie and then he um goes to your vast kingdom and your vast says you know you
01:17:03.960need to avenge me go out there and kind of be and be a an adjudicator of my will um out in the world
01:17:12.040and here take my right hand man my man at arms atli who's been with me through all of this
01:17:17.000and then helgi's like gotcha i'm gonna go get this sword and then we're gonna go and do this
01:17:25.560and now they're you know fighting giants and and uh many many things and speaking to giant or uh
01:17:34.520troll uh witches and again that's another thing i wanted to talk about is the giants
01:17:40.280it's that misnomer obviously when we speak of yotans we speak that the word should be looked0.77
01:17:46.760at as more of ancient beings and the switching from yotan to troll um a lot of folks get
01:17:58.760mixed up in their head but i think that one of the clearest ways to look at that is the intention
01:18:03.640A troll is a Jotun, which is an ancient being, but a troll is bent towards destruction, towards destroying man or destroying the gods.
01:18:21.500um they are a particularly nasty kind of breed but they change not based off of some sort of like0.84
01:18:30.100racial lineage but of the way their soul is the way their mind is and that's why
01:18:38.480jotens that come to the gods and join the gods become elevated and they're not simply just
01:18:44.680always and forever i think again because people um try to use that to push an agenda
01:18:51.340of like, oh, they're a foreigner and the gods married a foreigner.
01:18:56.340No, it's very much a transfer of mindset and of the soul might and where they're going.
01:19:04.780If they join the gods in the form of order, then they would be seen as living amongst the gods,0.68
01:19:12.820descended perhaps from the Jotuns, sure, but now they were of the gods.0.99
01:19:17.760And then if you had the Jotuns as ancient beings who sometimes were neutral and sometimes were of, you know, ancient existence, but the moment they turned into something, you know, malicious and aggressive and actively reaching out to destroy mankind or to destroy that which the gods have built or worked with,0.99
01:19:44.880They become trolls and troll is, uh, I would say is kind of like our word in equivalency to like1.00
01:19:53.520demon, even though demons not used correctly, demon is a Greek word and it just means lesser
01:19:59.360than a full blown God. So Hercules was technically a demon and, you know, Christians have just0.98
01:20:07.340absolutely twisted its meaning. But, you know, they didn't have a word to translate0.99
01:20:15.080from the Aramaic word Shadim, so they used that word. But trolls are like an equivalency to Shadim
01:20:26.840in the judaic christian religion um so at least speaks and he says corpse hungry giantess
01:20:39.640jotun uh how art thou called say which who thy father was i think the emphasis on was is pretty
01:20:51.000brutal um nine miles deeper down mayest thou sink and a tree grow tall on thy bosom in essence i'm
01:21:02.600going to put you in the grave um prim girth speaks spake in 17 prim girth am i my father
01:21:17.000was hathi of giants the most in might many a woman he won from her home air helgi hewed him down
01:21:29.400um we see that in post um also through days in iceland there are many stories of trolls or or
01:21:40.760jotuns coming down from the mountains and kidnapping human you know women um but they've
01:21:47.320been baptized or they have a cross on their heads so then you know they get they get um saved but
01:21:54.200what that really shows is there is a deep um connection to the these these forces these dangerous
01:22:03.800uh brood of emir um responsible for the disappearances of people um so you know he says here
01:22:16.040you know many a women he won from from her home so that's directly speaking like he was just0.54
01:22:22.520you know the king of kidnapping humans and taking them away which would have an effect on the
01:22:28.840audience um at least spake uh 18 which in front of the ship thou that wast and lay before the fjord
01:22:41.720to ron would wouldst have given the rulers men if a spear had not stuck in thy flesh
01:22:50.200So the translation of Raun, he speaks of Raun. Raun is not of the Aesir, but they have entered pact, that they are in a tentative submission to the Aesir.
01:23:14.080um and she is seen as you know a yotan still but um here in the middle world and is a part of the0.61
01:23:27.580ever kind of consuming ocean and the ocean is the blood of emir it's the one place
01:23:34.900where the ancient powers of the Jotuns are still very much alive, quite literally,0.85
01:23:44.600in, you know, the animals that were around and shaped by these Jotuns from, you know, before, even dinosaurs.
01:23:53.880So, you know, he says that you were coming here and you were attempting to sink our ship and give us over to Raun.0.67
01:28:23.860for him you know mouthing off at her so bravely so um but now she's kind of turning and helgi spake
01:28:33.320tis loathen shall have thee thou art loathsome to men his home is in thawley he was of the wild
01:28:45.080dweller's worst is the is the giant wise he is meat as a mate for thee i like the the usage of
01:28:58.760you know he is of the of equal to you so um he is clearly speaking of another giant lovin um has
01:29:08.360very similar the reason why like people say that uh ragnar loderbok needs not leather pants but
01:29:16.920like shaggy sheep pants is because of loven or law of the um meaning shaggy so this giant is
01:29:28.440the shaggy one and and he says no um go find yourself one of your own you know0.96
01:29:35.240beings um he's a better mate uh we we do not you're you're far too loath the loathsome to our0.97
01:29:43.880mortal eyes uh before we go further i thought we'd uh take a second answer some questions there
01:29:51.720were a few that were um in the live chat before the stream actually started that i wanted to
01:29:58.280cover because we don't get to them now i'm gonna forget and they're gonna get lost uh heathen man
01:30:03.240asks uh just caught up completely on vns over the last couple days and a couple questions came
01:30:08.520up i thought i'd ask i'm taking one at a time heathen man hope you don't mind uh number one
01:30:14.280does the afa have any revenue stream outside of the hoff total or membership fees in the past
01:30:19.240you've mentioned that before i knew hoff has established a certain amount of revenue must
01:30:22.680be coming in to maintain it have you thought about investing a portion of income into something like
01:30:27.320super stable dividend stocks or perhaps a crypto stable coin it pays a weekly percentage on your
01:30:33.080hold etc so first uh just to be fully clear we need yet so the revenue stream coming in is a
01:30:42.920is an important part of the hoff acquisition process of course another thing though that
01:30:50.200people don't realize is we need a solid base of membership and leadership in the area so uh
01:30:56.520For example, you know, Frazehoff is set to be in eastern Ohio, western Pennsylvania, and that's in a perfect spot because we have a great membership base there led by Witten Erickson and his wife, Githya Erickson, as well as folk builders John Rock, Joe Drotos, and Mike Malio.
01:31:14.180um john rock and mike maleo specifically are in the gotha scully the gothar school and so you know
01:31:21.800they'll be tentatively ordained at some point we'll be able to help the erickson's manage
01:31:27.320that hoff in that district so while we do need revenue we uh also need membership and leadership
01:31:34.280regularly attending things in that area so that we know the hoff will be you know used once it's
01:31:40.620established uh that said yes we do have one other revenue stream outside of donations and
01:31:49.120hoftoller uh is merchandise so for example we've been selling you know merchandise through teespring
01:31:56.200uh the calendars that my wife made and of course this new t-shirt celebrating the 30th anniversary
01:32:03.120of the austral folk assembly also made by my wife who was on via vns last week if you missed that
01:32:10.340um you can get it at roomstone.org slash store we are getting them from a new source than uh
01:32:18.420than teespring and so they're better better quality and they're much cheaper so that's win
01:32:26.000win for us and for the buyer so check that out and you can support us that way and have a pretty
01:32:33.300cool shirt let's see the second question we considered doing a show or a segment of a show
01:32:42.140on some of the main points or counterpoints when debating our christian family and friends
01:32:46.360it comes up often in shows but mostly in bits and pieces so a condensed version of some of the best
01:32:51.700argumentation persuasion in one place might be helpful to some of us that's an interesting
01:32:56.820question i had a conversation with a gentleman on x who follows us um about you know he'll kind
01:33:04.260of ask me things about you know well my christian relatives say this what can i respond to with it
01:33:08.420and a lot of the counterpoints towards christianity frankly is that it's not it's not us
01:33:15.760it's not ours christianity is just a globalized version of judaism as uh witness fawn kind of
01:33:22.840alluded to earlier. And there are other issues with it, of course. I think Witten Spahn and I
01:33:28.720might be some of the most vocal dislikers of Christianity in leadership, actually. I know
01:33:36.720I've seen him be pretty vocal about it on Twitter. And Judaism and Islam, I will say,
01:33:43.860across the board. But uniquely, Christianity does affect our folk more than the other two,0.95
01:33:52.200as far as like conversion and you know things like that right um so i don't know if a whole
01:34:00.360episode would be devoted to arguing with christianity because it so in also true outside
01:34:07.480of the social and cultural stuff and the conversion christianity is irrelevant to us it's
01:34:13.960just an expansion of the sect of a specific second judaism so that's for their peoples for them it
01:34:21.000doesn't affect us spiritually or you know uh you got something wouldn't spawn yeah i was gonna say
01:34:30.840though perhaps too because a great amount of this could be um brought up by interaction with the
01:34:40.840chat so you know posing questions like you know my family um called me a devil worshiper um and
01:34:50.120you know we could probably answer like right then and there as to like what you could possibly say
01:34:55.880to that so it's not necessarily like um loaded um answers but you know more conceptualized
01:35:07.560things that you could bring up or point out to your family when they do bring you um i know this
01:35:14.920sounds super strange because you know my mom was so much into kind of help she was so pivotal into
01:35:22.920helping me become house through but when i first started doing it physically um she
01:35:32.680i don't know why but because she's like lackadaisical lutheran but um perhaps i think
01:35:39.480to my brother who was newly converted into some non-denominational um you know christianity um
01:35:48.680maybe he was kind of like influencing her or kind of scaring her but she went through a moment there
01:35:54.760where she was like what are you doing are you worshiping the devil and um i needed to go through
01:36:02.040and kind of explain to her that you know our ancestors had a legitimate faith and you have been
01:36:09.480you know, kind of conditioned to think that anything outside of this, you know,
01:36:14.720Judaic religion is evil. And, um, so I did face some backlash from her and from my brother,
01:36:22.900um, who's no longer in that, you know, non-denominational, um, Christian,
01:36:31.800you know mega church stuff um but he was pretty hardcore he was he was thumping it um and he came
01:36:42.380at me a lot of the time so i you know and i think all of us kind of have so if we had like um
01:36:50.340maybe even a couple people and then just have people ask questions about again defending your
01:36:56.540faith, maintaining, uh, you know, loyalty to the gods, but also not necessarily rolling into your
01:37:06.180family so that it, you know, it, it ends. I have many customers too, who are very devout Christians
01:37:13.460and I have conversations with them. And I think almost all of them know. Um, and I still, you
01:37:23.940know the ones that have stayed i'm almost positive none of them have left so um so there is also ways
01:37:30.760that you can reach out and not necessarily go for aggressive defense but to kind of alleviate people
01:37:38.380and um make them more understanding that would be a cool show i don't know what we would name it
01:37:46.920yeah we'll have to get creative with that but yeah um you raised a good point there at the end
01:37:54.400to a lot of uh especially here in the bible belt where i'm at um a lot of uh you know my
01:38:00.940interactions with christians is largely assuring them that i'm not worshiping some evil entity
01:38:09.700uh you know and that my values are not always the same but often very similar to theirs to
01:38:16.640conservative you know normal traditional christians at least um so the third uh question
01:38:26.320from heathen man uh i know the sigerheim location is in jackson tennessee jackson county uh but is
01:38:32.360the exact location available or is it temporarily on the down low i only ask because i'm driving
01:38:37.080east through tennessee soon and thought i might just drive past and see what it and the area
01:38:41.880around it is like the nearest town the nearest decent-sized city etc uh so producer nick answered
01:38:48.740a lot of that for you specifically in the chat but i'm going to repeat it just so other folks
01:38:52.540can hear it um i don't know the exact number of the address i have it somewhere but it's
01:38:57.820hunting creek road in whitleyville tennessee yeah i don't know get on that road drive until you see
01:39:03.060the awesome statue of a founder and get you mcnalen um yeah anybody feel free to reach out
01:39:09.780producer nick on the side or in the live chat now if you like and you can schedule a meetup
01:39:16.140well and also too we uh you can google every hoth and you can find us on google you can
01:39:28.620type us into the give me directions and we go um i think that was a huge thing for
01:39:37.580sigerheim's not exactly on google but there are people out there who have posted the address
01:39:44.820okay well and again the get in the like the proto state of it but yeah yeah the hops are
01:39:52.140are accessible. Um, you know, I, I, I think that was super important because we were coming from
01:40:00.880Alcitru that had no Hoffs that had none of these and the legitimacy of that, um, to be able to,
01:40:08.340you know, look up a Wikipedia page and see that it's mentioned, Hey, this town is known for having,
01:40:13.920uh, generally, you know, they say the ancient Viking religion of Alcitru. Um, and you know,
01:40:21.340hey that's good that that's i'll take that um but yeah there there is far too much i that fear that
01:40:32.460we're doing something wrong we're doing something evil and no we're not you know we're helping
01:40:39.420people in the community we're we're giving out food uh and and at the same time all we ask is
01:40:45.820for the privacy to honor our gods the gods of our people in peace and we do the same in return and i
01:40:55.900i think a lot of people get this idea in their head we are boogeyman so hard that people start
01:41:04.220to try to fill in that boogeyman um and and they become a caricature that was tailored by someone
01:41:13.900else that you know hates us and you know the when they look at it oh they say the word arian
01:41:21.580or they say white people and um you know you go on the internet you see far far worse and again
01:41:29.260context is everything the way that we um you know with our sun wheels and the way that we talk
01:41:35.740talk about the gods and us as people in relation to them. So, you know, I really think it's
01:41:43.680important that we consider that what we are doing is noble, right, and true, not something that we
01:41:50.600have to hide. If it's not known, it's not because it's hiding. It's generally, like in this case,
01:41:57.380it's just location and logistics not any of that so yeah i that kind of like you mentioned we have
01:42:10.580nothing to hide we're not doing anything wrong you know i i've been saying a lot recently wear
01:42:14.660your hammer outside your shirt ironically kind of uh mine is inside my shirt because i choose
01:42:20.020to wear this with my suit instead because it looks neat but you get the idea um one more
01:42:26.100questions so far. And, uh, by the way, guys, just a reminder, this is a question driven program
01:42:31.240for the most part. So feel free to ask us anything. Uh, I'm not going to say there are
01:42:37.600no stupid questions, but there are a few stupid questions and we'll answer those too. Anyway.1.00
01:42:43.100Um, but yeah, so Jilly asks, my friend, Rachel Kinsler told me there was a VNS episode that
01:42:49.800addressed this touchy issue. If it was a while ago, could Matt and the guest or guests talk
01:42:55.240about what we should do about ancestors who have left this world with reputation of poor deeds
01:42:59.400thanks uh yeah i have a little thing about that and then witness fawn will uh you know give us
01:43:06.840his wisdom as well uh but just while it's on my brain um that's yeah so the best thing you can do
01:43:13.300to put it simply i guess is to live a good life live a noble life and restore you know your your
01:43:20.060your family's homing you, right? Restore that honor to your line. A lot of, you know, modern,
01:43:29.640let's put it in modern lingo, I guess, people often talk about breaking generational curses
01:43:34.840and just one way to break a generational curse is to be Alcetru and join the AFA.
01:43:43.460And another example, I guess, is lots of us, myself included, are children of divorce,
01:43:48.500right and so that's a big talking point with people my age and younger is breaking that
01:43:55.060generational curse of you know giving our children broken homes and so that's one of my goals is to
01:44:01.620you know not not be a terrible father and give my son a crappy home um witness fawn what do you got
01:44:10.700on that well i you brought up two points that i wasn't even thinking of yeah if you're if the
01:44:16.820if the reputation of your ancestors has affected like the way people look at you maybe you're
01:44:25.060living in a small town and your uncle or great uncle or you know great aunt or whatever had done
01:44:32.580something where it just kind of doomed or kind of just held over on your family yeah your deeds
01:44:39.720are absolutely the key and the hallmark to getting out of that and again too you just
01:44:46.400kind of stopping the cycles of problematic behavior, not being, you know, so amicable to
01:44:58.100just end a marriage or certainly looking at your behavior with your children, making, you know,
01:45:04.440sure that you just, that you don't cross over into those lines of abuse or neglect or what have you.
01:45:13.960um because again your descendants are just as much a key balancing factor to your ancestors
01:45:23.640but i um and i was also going to say what you said some people might scoff at the idea when
01:45:28.920you said first off join the astra folk assembly but no we're dead serious the idea is that one um
01:45:38.040Um, the gods are real. So by you taking steps forward to help them further in the world and
01:45:48.320come to the folk is a legitimate act that you're doing. So that's one thing. But then on top of
01:45:56.860that, you are healing that rift. Your ancestors pass away and they suddenly become connected with
01:46:08.500the lines that came before them. And, you know, the communication between those lines
01:46:18.900becomes direct. There's no barriers. There's no weird. There's no events. There's no,
01:46:27.460you know, your perception of that time becomes interconnected with those before you. So I 100%
01:46:37.200believe that our Christian ancestors return to the ancestors and realize that perhaps they were0.79
01:46:47.620um you know miscued maybe they were tricked into the whole you know if you do this you're
01:46:54.340going to go to a bad place if you don't give unconditional love to the king of the israelites
01:46:58.520so after they kind of pass through and they enter in with all of the loved ones
01:47:03.940um they realize but when it comes down to
01:47:07.620ancestors who have done egregious things again egregious things is a is a is a a matter that i
01:47:19.640think most everyone can agree on if it's it's beyond you know if they have um murdered their
01:47:28.140own kinfolk and been a kinslayer um if they have uh you know hurt a small child um there's
01:47:38.300there are really really distinct things that make someone a needling but our ancestors
01:47:47.020um have also experienced lives where perhaps they did make fully foolish decisions um
01:47:54.540And they understand that. And I think also, too, that our ancestors understood that hard decisions and decisions that they probably were not proud with, but had to make them.
01:48:05.000And also, too, just like the folly of, you know, following a foreign religion built around a mortal and the organization around it, I think also that they come to an understanding of the level that their deeds, the effect that they have had on others.
01:48:31.260um and it is about you need to reach out to them in order for that line of communication to come0.93
01:48:42.440in um a perfect example of this is like this year for yule we have ancestors night on the 24th and
01:48:52.140we speak about our ancestors and and my father passed away um two years ago and we did not have
01:48:58.520a great relationship um but i told my kids about him i told my kids about um the good things that
01:49:06.680i remember because i don't think he did anything that would warrant him as being a needling
01:49:11.800but instead you know there were things that perhaps i had issues with and that really does
01:49:19.540require sometimes the healing that we need to have might only happen after they pass but if you have
01:49:27.300chance to heal it before they do you know definitely go out there and do that but you know
01:49:34.500at the end of the day i believe that my father is with the line of my ancestors and he is learning
01:49:42.820about the effects of the deeds that he did and how far they went and the only way that he can heal
01:49:49.460and I can heal is if I open up that line of communication. It just really depends on
01:49:56.320what exactly the details of that is. That I don't know, but on the general sense,
01:50:06.040I think that healing for them is just as important as healing for us. And that can come from the
01:50:12.720framing of this new relationship. They are now beyond the veil and see through the well that
01:50:19.820they have and the entire processes and can bestow gifts upon us. And the only way they can do that
01:50:28.200is again, if we establish the gift cycle with them. Yeah. You know, so if anyone, anyone who
01:50:37.140is listening to this, if you have some sort of generational stank, I guess, consider this your
01:50:48.620sign to start working on it. Fix yourself for your descendants and for your ancestors. There's
01:50:54.620this thing people always say, and it's such a cliche, but people say it for a reason. You know,
01:51:00.300they always say tomorrow is a new day. When this context, you're the new day. You are the dawn.
01:51:05.560you're the next round it's you know the best time to do something is yesterday of course the second
01:51:12.260best time is right now you can fix things now so it's something to think about there
01:51:19.680yeah and it's so intrinsic that you open up that line of communication
01:51:27.360through the gift cycle it is imperative because it is the linchpin to opening up
01:51:36.320that communication that's why we emphasize the gift cycle so much
01:51:40.700and why we have maintained our gift cycle with the holy ice here for so long
01:51:49.220the short answer is uh go to runestone.org slash join and uh no in all seriousness though yeah
01:51:56.520become Alcatru if you're not already. Ah, there's producer Nick with the link. And join us here.
01:52:03.980Join us in what we're doing. We are reforging Alcatru. We're reforging that connection with
01:52:08.700the Iseer and with those ancestors, with our Alcatru ancestors, and with our Christian ancestors1.00
01:52:15.780that sort of gave us that generational curse, so to speak. We're healing those bonds. We're
01:52:21.780rebuilding things. We're making connections that were lost.
01:52:27.100Yeah. And remember Christianity preaches, you shouldn't, you shouldn't be honoring,1.00
01:52:33.740you shouldn't be, you know, reaching back and longing for your ancestors, because unless0.96
01:52:40.000they've done a very specific set of rules, they're not in the good place. So a lot of
01:52:47.260separation and division right it and you know we're all about looking back to the past but also
01:52:55.400moving forward so if you need to uh i know it's a a common thing for people who watched vikings
01:53:03.160back in 2010 or whenever there was like this ragnar love rock meme that says uh don't look
01:53:10.520back you're not going that way well you can look back look back long enough take your ancestors
01:53:15.200his hands and then look forward and move with them in tow re-establish that kin fence here in this
01:53:22.300life and uh beyond the veil uh with that that's all our questions for now we want to get back to
01:53:31.660the uh the awesome story yes so helgi tells tells rimger to kick rocks and that she should go
01:53:43.600you know over yonder and find herself a giant that's more suitable and his name is shaggy or0.84
01:53:52.120you know um basically just a mess and uh because you are hideous to be beheld by human eyes0.98
01:54:00.600so really it's more or less an insult it's just um kind of tossing at her uh rimger spake0.67
01:57:07.800and it may be that this transition of spiritual beings in our ancestors time were starting to be
01:57:21.000uh you know morphed into um kind of you know fairies and tiny little beings and little gnomes
01:57:30.520and and the the what exactly worked against them was shared across the board but clearly here we0.74
01:57:41.560see he says to this troll iron works against you and now the sun is here and you shall turn to stone
01:57:49.640though it's not emphasized but i also wonder too if the the de-evolution of the jotun into a troll
01:57:56.840or or a being of malice um somehow again makes them affected by things in the middle world like
01:58:04.520light and iron and what have you um or it just could be on the author's part that they're just
01:58:12.040kind of crossing you know all of the columns with these um kind of like silver bullets for vampires
01:58:21.400uh you know it's like we know it's for werewolves but somewhere along the way it kind of
01:58:25.720you know became that thing so it's like we see a lot of that transition uh with mythical beings
01:58:32.920all the time um but that was the point um you know i'm the master at this if i had a chance
01:58:42.200to explain i would talk him to death literally right into the sun um so it moves on um
01:58:54.920So, King Helgi was a mighty warrior, and he came to King Eilemi. So now we immediately shift, and again, it's really important for people to remember how fragmentary these poems are.
01:59:12.400And so it will be hard for people to follow. I think the more important thing to look at is, again, like the stuff we've been talking about, the iron, the sun, the description of the Valkyries, you know, the mentioning of whether it's holy tides or the gift cycle and, you know, giving up cattle and creating an altar.
01:59:40.760or actually the word they used was horker, an outdoor stone table, versus a staller,
01:59:51.380which is indoor or a harrow, as we often call it. Look at those details. I think it's really
02:00:00.140important listening to those, hearing those, considering, and maybe even looking into things
02:00:06.280when you have a chance or time to kind of like, you know, figure out why our ancestors saw things these ways.
02:00:16.600And I think that we at the Astro Folk Assembly are here to kind of help clarify, you know,
02:00:23.180the nuanced details of why a troll can be a Jotun because of that transition to malice0.54
02:00:31.460or you know the difference between like and how they're not like elves aren't the same it's they're
02:00:42.420synthesized with the the other part of their name um so we have here the transition goes back over
02:00:54.420now um helgi is you know a renowned king um then helgi and svalva exchanged vows
02:01:08.580showing marriage and um the actual ceremonial exchanging of oaths um predating christianity so
02:01:20.900um and they greatly loved each other svalva was at home with her father while helgi was in the field
02:01:32.600svalva was still a valkyrie as before so a lot of theories have come about in these discussions as to
02:01:43.640was she a Valkyrie who then is reborn as a woman or does she trans like transfigure herself from a
02:01:57.040spiritual being into a mortal being um you know again it's up to debate for a good reason it's
02:02:06.700worth you know looking into but i think too a lot of the times the stories especially these
02:02:14.320composite stories are brought together and characters are placed into positions to create
02:02:23.520framework and sometimes you know he needs to get a sword but he's not going to get a sword from just
02:02:29.680anyone he needs to get a sword from a valve so they there is a there's a certain level of tailoring
02:02:35.580i think um and is that blasphemous i don't if i'm proven wrong then i will absolutely see the error
02:02:46.060of my ways but i'm just giving the possibility that storytelling and poetry um is we shouldn't
02:02:53.820view it as uh again like the way that um mortal like religions that are built around mortal men
02:03:02.220um take the the written word of these mortal men as you know um as if it was descended from their
02:05:15.420and she had snakes in place of a bridle um this is another thing that's used um during
02:05:27.560in in balder's drama during his funeral the uh the jotin um haurakin comes to the funeral
02:05:41.080riding a wolf with snakes as a bridle and i think this was just again a very
02:05:47.060cool and popular way during the time to denote this i think also too it's worth noting that
02:05:54.060her um presence at the funeral is kind of showing that even the most dastardly and oftentimes
02:06:04.040malicious beings some of them um were not so far as they would to hate lord balder um
02:06:13.820and that's why he she came to the funeral um she asks hayden for his company nay said he
02:06:23.760she said thou shalt pay for this at the king's toast so at at at sumble you shall pay for this
02:06:33.440and that evening the great vows were taken the sacred boar was brought brought in and now that's
02:06:40.140another reason why i believe this is specifically during yule and not during yule month is because
02:06:46.480the sacred boar and the eating of the boar's head i think was not just something in england
02:06:53.140but all throughout um and so they're holding sumble and they're eating the boar's head
02:07:01.200um at this time that's you know pretty good evidence that this is going on during yule
02:07:10.120and for us this would be 12th night of the eating of the boar's head or eating of the
02:07:15.160sacred boar pig and holding sumble for the new year um so she says you shall pay for this and
02:07:24.620that evening the great vows were taken sacred boar was brought in the men laid their hands there on
02:07:30.940and took their vows at the king's toast um for anybody who you know follows like perhaps our
02:07:39.200social media or what have you um you know eating the the pig's head or the and cooking a pig's head
02:07:47.020on 12th night and placing your finger upon its forehead and making like resolutions is this is
02:07:54.820the source where it comes from um the sacred boar was was brought in the men laid their hands there
02:08:02.420on and took vows at the king's toast or sumble. Hayden vowed he would have Svalva, Ailemi's
02:08:11.520daughter, the beloved of his brother Helgi. Then such great grief seized him that he went forth
02:08:20.440on wild paths southward over the land, found Helgi his brother, and Helgi said. So in this,
02:08:30.640you know this is he he takes this vow and this troll which says you will be doomed
02:08:38.800from this time and so in essence it's almost like he speaks his dark desire he covets
02:08:49.040you know his brother's wife and um and he goes mad and he like uh immediately like runs forth
02:09:00.640and goes down wild paths so this is the audience would be like oh like what and
02:09:09.120he proceeds to rush forward in in that uh inhuman way um and his brother greets him
02:09:20.00031. Welcome, Haven! What hast thou to tell of new tidings that from Norway come? Wherefore didst leave thy land, O Prince, and fared alone to find us here?
02:09:35.680haven spake a deed more evil i have done than brother mine thou ever canst mend for i have
02:09:45.960chosen the child of the king thy bride for mine at the monarch's stumble or toast
02:09:53.940helgi spake grieve not haven for true shall hold the words we both by the beer have sworn
02:10:03.340To the isle a warrior wills that I go.
02:10:08.080There shall I come the third night hence, and doubtful must be my coming back.
02:11:08.740thou saidest once helgi that haven was a friend full good and gifts did give him more
02:11:15.780seemly it were thy sword to redden than friendship thus to thy foe to give
02:11:22.820so a couple of parts in there um you know you said to me that i was a good friend and you gave
02:11:33.440me gifts but it would be more honorable seemly is kind of in line with um honor and if someone's
02:11:43.460acting unseemly they are acting unhonorably or inhonorably or dishonorably um it would seem more
02:11:51.600seemly that you would run me through with your sword than speak of you know friendship and
02:12:00.440acting in in this way i i you know i'm i'm a dastardly guy i'm i've just said in front of0.77
02:12:06.540everyone this terrible stuff and and you're saying it might not be so bad because i'm gonna die0.66
02:12:16.380um helgi spoke thus because he foresaw his death for his following spirits the philker
02:12:28.220um the philker had met haven when he saw the woman riding on the wolf
02:12:36.540Now, that's a very interesting point there is, one, it wasn't always seen simply that there was a single Filchia, but that there were multiple spirits that could also be connected to a person.
02:12:50.760They're the spirit that takes oftentimes shape in our vision and in the middle world as an animal that represents the energy, the will, and the base nature of that person.
02:13:07.960But also to the kinfilkia, the spirit of their people, whether it was a boar or, you know, a horse or a cat, there's lots of different examples of kinfilkia.
02:13:24.420And so here, you know, stating again that he, you know, was, I saw multiple of the spirits that are of me, of the soul of my people, of the soul of myself, etc.
02:13:42.540um alf was the name of a king the son of hrothmar who had marked out a battle place with helgi at
02:13:54.060sigarsval after a stay of three nights so for those that might just to clarify this is the son
02:14:02.700of Hrothmar, who Helgi and Atli took vengeance upon for burning Svauland. And now he wants
02:14:17.260revenge. So he has, you know, proclaimed him to a duel. He has challenged him to Holmugunga
02:14:27.900and to go into the aisle and and um and fight there um so he said yeah battle place with helgi
02:14:38.380at sigarsville after a stay of three nights then helgi spake in 35 on a wolf there rode
02:14:46.860when dusk it was a woman who fame would have him follow well she knew that now would fall
02:14:55.820sigirlin's son at sigarsval so he's saying too that at this point um he received message um
02:15:07.580from this troll witch that she had destined him to say that once he went on this errand
02:15:15.980he was going to meet his death and we see this uh it's actually mentioned in the notes down on the0.78
02:15:21.820website that um another kind of um arian trademark if you will of the stories um the appearance of a
02:15:35.580spirit before you go into battle is very much similar to say like morrigan showing up and
02:15:43.280washing your clothes before you went to the battle of blood because you were going to die
02:15:50.580So we kind of see some parallels there.
02:15:57.560But then it jumps straight ahead into the situation.
02:16:06.040That's another thing worth noting is that as people heard this,
02:16:08.740these context verses were meant not to show about chronological,
02:16:14.820uh i don't know like sense but to immediately spin up the audience into the next set
02:16:24.480of verses um and the verses and the way that they were put together was very important so
02:16:32.040you needed these little bridges to get you to the next set of verses that you had memorized
02:16:37.800in order to tell this part of the story so they these might not have actually just been part of
02:16:43.800original they're just yeah giving you context and timing but they're bridged and they're very very
02:16:50.920fast so there was a great battle and there helgi got a mortal wound 36. cigar riding did helgi send
02:17:03.160to seek out alemi alemi's only daughter bid her swiftly ready to be if her lover alive she would
02:17:11.880find hither now has helgi sent me with these svalva thyself to speak the hero said he feign
02:17:23.880would see thee air life the nobly born should leave so in those two verses helgi sends out
02:17:32.920and then he says the message to Svalva so it's super fast um and I think it's just worth remembering
02:17:42.200that the the people in the hall would be listening to the composing of the poems and the way that
02:17:50.840they were put together just as much as they're listening to the content of the story so that's
02:17:57.240why we do find a lot of this being you know very very choppy um but he says you know go get svalva
02:18:05.640because if she wants to see me before i you know leave midgard uh she needs to get here now
02:18:14.680and svalva speaks what chanced with helgi hjorvather son hard to me is harm now come
02:18:23.560If the sea smote him or sword bit him, I shall bring to all ill, I shall bring to all his foes. So she swears revenge against if, you know, what took him. And this could be read as, please don't tell me it's the ocean. Please don't tell me that it was something like that.
02:18:50.240Tell me if it was sword, if it was sword, then I can get revenge.
02:19:20.240so then uh helgi spake so in this sense he he he says to her that um
02:19:32.020you know he fell at at this battle um and he is still so noble still so true so so um
02:19:41.940you know forthright to to reach out to her that it's really it doesn't matter now
02:19:51.100it's more important that you come um and she does and helgi spake in 40 hail to thee svalva thy
02:20:02.820sorrow rule our meeting last in life this is hard the wounds of the hero bleed and close to my heart
02:20:13.280the sword has come so he immediately says to her hello and the thy sorrow rule kind of is alluding
02:20:22.940to the fact that she's showing up and she is you know completely uh cloaked in sorrow
02:20:31.580and yet he is just saying no this is our last meeting and you know i've been struck in my heart
02:20:37.840but i wanted to see you um you know again just like in the halvamal it says that a prince should
02:20:47.480go forth um even to his end with with brightness clarity nobility and and laughter um and he says
02:20:58.440to her helgi spake in 41 i bid thee svalva weep not bride if thou wilt hearken to these my words
02:21:07.880the bed for heathen hath thou ready and yield thy love to the hero young so
02:21:17.480He is saying, take Hathen to be your husband.
02:21:23.480And again, we spoke about this in Eil's saga, is that marriage, especially inheritance, children, the way that they would be taken care of and brought under fostering of the stepfather.
02:21:38.040This was all hugely important at the time.
02:21:41.220and um you know for a woman to not you know move forward and remarry and what have you
02:21:52.440had huge political implications um and in this case he's saying you know I love you but
02:22:00.340I am not long for this world and uh you must still live in it so go now and take um
02:22:09.980um haven because you know he has already proclaimed his love for you um
02:22:16.820svalva spake in 42 a vow i had in my dear loved home when helgi sought with rings to have me
02:22:26.020thy not of my will if the warrior died would i fold in my arms a man unfeigned so she
02:22:35.960says you know that her love is for him and she would never take to the wiles of falling into
02:22:45.100the arms of a of a man especially one who's young and inexperienced and um you know not of any
02:23:23.080he will gain revenge um that if she loves helgi then she will love him and he will prove his worth
02:23:33.520he will gain his fame by getting her revenge for the slaying of her husband
02:23:39.460of helgi and svalva it is said that they were born again
02:23:48.140um and this is the one of the parts that i was really wanting to get to the um
02:23:55.180the saying that the two loves were born again in life um and that again that transference of
02:24:04.140of the of the soul um in particular to their love for each other um you know we certainly don't
02:24:12.260believe in you know that you die and you're immediately reincarnated or what have you
02:24:17.920We certainly don't mean that everything that you are in this life will transfer over and that that the dead are in surplus to the living.
02:24:29.240There are more ancestors than there are the living. So we see the ancestors as there, but there is, again, a great poetic point of that they are so in love that they will now, they could not live with each other in this life because of the way fate had turned.
02:24:52.000they will live with each other in another life and you know i've spoken about that that the souls of
02:24:59.280men um and our ancestors who have an ability to affect the middle world the one thing that's
02:25:07.120worth remembering is that in that lower place in that place away where time doesn't exist where
02:25:14.720edges don't exist in the darkness of of niflheim in in helgar um and why the gods don't just go
02:25:23.280down there every day i'm not saying they can't but by story they don't it's a great challenge
02:25:31.280that therein lies a well and that well has a root and that root goes straight to heaven
02:25:37.120And that is Vergelber, and that root is being gnawed upon by Nidogar, because for the ability of the gods to pull up, to ascend the folk in death, empowers them.0.99
02:25:55.620If they bring someone of great renown and fame and deed up into the realm of the gods, they are empowered against the Jotans.0.97
02:26:08.020And I think that this was intrinsic to the way our ancestors saw that cycling.0.99
02:26:14.120They saw Yggdrasil as a pulling up, the root draws up from the realms that it is in, and the tree itself is in heaven.
02:26:24.680And Nidhogg knows this and needs to break the mooring of that root to kill the tap root, the original root that the tree first grew from and eventually grew up through all the levels up into the mountains of heaven.
02:26:44.520And so, you know, our ancestors saw this connection and having the ability to send up Hamina, to send up, you know, exalted to the gods or those nominated as Desir or Alvar, Doc Alvar specifically, that they are drawn up by the root in the third realm and go back into the realm of heaven.
02:27:10.440And the dew that drips from that tree is, you know, that culmination of drawing up and it empowers the gods.
02:27:19.380And here, you know, it's saying kind of more like poetically forlurning is that they couldn't love each other in this life.
02:27:28.060So they will love each other again in another life as they are.
02:27:32.320They will both be drawn up and placed into Orlog or into weird in the in the well of earth.
02:27:39.080And the gods will deem that they will have, you know, another chance.
02:27:44.860You know, it's not so much a like a religious fact or a hard press, but more, again, of just that poetic sense of, you know, they will meet again, if not in this life, in the next is very much so.
02:28:02.700But it does lend to an understanding about how that root that draws up and why Yggdrasil has to be in heaven, that its roots are not all in Helgard, is because of this circulatory system and the way that our ancestors saw the universe and the cosmology.
02:28:26.480They didn't see these little separate orbs or realms, but that instead, you know, the place far below that tree's taproot goes, and it has grown through Nidavellr and the Svartalfs, and it has grown through Midgard, and it goes up Himenberger and up the heavenly mountains and resides amongst the gods in the heavenly realm.
02:28:53.900um so um now we um we move back to the battle um so kind of jumps you know uh back there was
02:29:09.500a great battle this battle that he uh fought at in the on the aisle and there Helgi got a mortal
02:29:16.140cigar riding did helgi send to seek out alemi's only daughter
02:29:24.540bid her swiftly and ready to be if her lover alive she would find oh did i go backwards
02:29:33.420yes sir you actually have i did i jumped backwards you're done yeah sorry um
02:29:40.060Um, yeah, the, uh, I, I, like, I knew this was the end, but I was like, is that an extension
02:31:40.140that's it all right thank you for that as always wouldn't spawn your uh
02:31:50.700reading skills and insight are always appreciated um so we got three coffees that's 15 dollars from
02:31:59.700california folk builder sierra sierra chapman um let's see she left two comments i'll just read
02:32:09.380them both uh one was special shout out to your top district hail to go the mayo go the east
02:32:15.300alexander and mccloskeys for all the hard work they've been putting in for charming the plow
02:32:19.300thank you uh when you get there in a couple weeks we're going to put you to work too so
02:32:24.500um the other one is thank you witness fawn for your seemingly never-ending fountain of knowledge
02:32:31.700that makes these streams so informative yeah so in the tale of utgard loki when um also thor is
02:32:39.380drinking from the horn and he can't finish it because he finds that uh the other end is tied
02:32:44.420to uh the seas uh that amount that he could not drink uh is roughly equivalent to a third
02:32:51.940of witness fawn's vast knowledge for reference i was like what i was waiting to see where that went
02:33:00.100um we have a few questions all from sierra almost as if somebody prompted it uh in a in a fault
02:33:11.200builder chat um the first is that one uh what inspired y'all to become gothar uh go ahead
02:33:21.820with and spawn um that's an interesting question for me um and i i think it's actually very poetic
02:33:32.520that me and you are on um tonight and then this question kind of comes up because you know i
02:33:40.040distinctly remember you being you've been in uh the house of true folk assembly longer than i have
02:33:44.760um i came to an event and met you and your kindred and your kinsmen and um was really like given hope
02:33:54.180of this um you know i i don't know i didn't i never felt like you were super younger than me
02:34:00.820but it was um it was more or less just being able to see you know new blood new faces because
02:34:08.960I had been practicing Ausatru since the 90s, and coming into the Ausatru Folk Assembly was
02:34:16.380something that developed later. I was really, really lost, and I was dealing with a lot of
02:34:25.020things and i was absolutely kind of um let down by the where uh the faith of our gods was going
02:34:39.660and i felt like it needed to be greater but i was very very um gun shy so when i
02:34:48.860decided to step out and go and see i went um at the behest of a friend of mine actually he
02:34:55.740he prodded me to come out and go to a an afa event and um i was so
02:35:03.820um floored by what i heard i was so amazed at um everything i would just uh and and specifically
02:35:13.820when else he spoke and there was this moment where i was like this is this is like the real
02:35:19.020thing this is the real deal they know where what what greatness we could be and where we should go
02:35:25.980and what the gods deserve and there was a whole framework of thinking about the gods in a different
02:35:31.740way it wasn't some scholastic you know uh kind of memorization adventure it wasn't um you know
02:35:41.660dress up and larping and um kind of just like i'm doing this because i'm bored and um you know
02:35:52.060i don't want to go to church or something like i don't want you know they these anti-religious
02:35:57.340types or whatever no it was that synthesis of understanding that this is a real religion
02:36:02.780the gods are real and they deserve more so um i came in and i had just relegated myself to
02:36:11.340to being a member of a kindred starting kindred and kind of just growing that way um and then uh
02:36:24.540talking to as her go the and then kind of going into the gothar program um i didn't know
02:36:33.660how it all worked. I think that learning from the Ausgir Gauthier as a mentor, but also because of
02:36:45.420my experience, was able to kind of speak about some insight or, you know, I don't know. I just,
02:36:55.460I think that was alluring. That was, I think, an advantage for me was to be able to speak
02:37:00.160about these things. And, um, we just would have hour long conversations or hours long conversations,
02:37:07.340excuse me, um, on the phone, going back and forth and talking about all these things. And
02:37:13.440so when I was asked to join the Gothar program, it wasn't, uh, you know, it wasn't a debate. Um,
02:37:23.900I was kind of poking around to see if it was even a possibility for me, but really, you know,
02:37:29.100it's, it's more about if you get asked to, um, step up and then, you know, when we were looking,
02:37:38.160I was assuming that Minnesota was going to get Thorshoff and, um, and I was looking around and
02:37:44.720then I started praying to Lord Thor about helping them find that place. And suddenly
02:37:51.200thor soft landed right in my lap and um it was as if thor himself had just said nope you're gonna
02:38:00.820do it now um until they can figure out what they're doing you're gonna do it now and it was
02:38:05.960so abrupt and it was so fast and it was again right after um just a huge um gifting to lord
02:38:14.620thor that um i just felt like wow this is i have been you know i've been told i've been told that
02:38:25.580you know this is your this is our church speaking as from the gods um this is our uh
02:38:34.460way forward you will get on that boat and there was really no choice like you will you will be
02:38:41.180on that ship with all of them it's there it's it's been there this for for far too long and you
02:38:48.780waited far too long and um you need to get on otherwise it's gonna leave it's gonna leave and
02:38:55.340you're gonna be left behind and then you will just be kind of into the shadows of of anonymity and
02:39:02.540and ridiculousness and i do want to have you know fame i want to be remembered i want my my friends
02:39:12.780and family and to look upon and think about me in a way um fame doesn't always have to be
02:39:20.780you know uh gloriousness but it is a gloriousness in perhaps a different way and i just so that's
02:39:27.180what i wanted to bring my sincerity to the faith i wanted to bring my knowledge and my incessant
02:39:34.620monologues um you know to speak to people for hours on end um you're honest there sir what's that
02:39:44.540at least you're honest there sir and so yeah um but that's what kind of kind of drove me so from
02:39:52.220a spiritual sense, I feel like the Ausitru Folk Assembly was that long ship, and the gods pointed
02:39:58.860me in that direction and said, you need to get on there because this is the correct way to go.0.59
02:40:04.460And if you don't, if you stand here and don't move, that ship's going to leave. And I just
02:40:13.800couldn't anymore. I couldn't hold back. I had tried to step out of Ausitru as an organized
02:40:20.660religion or group gatherings or what have you because I was just so kind of displeased with
02:40:27.800the way things were going the way I felt the way you know even the way I was acting and the way
02:40:34.740that it was the the permeation of not being religious but being you know a party and all
02:40:43.820that stuff really started to affect me and one thing led from that led to me being brought right
02:40:53.500before the ship that was about to set sail and um so yeah i couldn't i couldn't pass it up and
02:41:01.740that's just been the case every single time um and then you know being brought into the
02:41:09.260witten was by surprise though like that was a total um you know i think elsewhere he loves to
02:41:16.620catch people when they're off but he felt that he had a value in my council and from my experience
02:41:24.220so joining the australia folk assembly was a late stage and i had to learn so much before i even got
02:41:33.740here so that i could be of value of for for the church of this time and um i regret like not being
02:41:42.780in sooner but it happened exactly as the gods deemed it in the well so that's what kind of
02:41:52.540drove me yeah um when weird goes ever as you shall right i uh i was very blessed to get here
02:42:00.700early i've spent my whole adult life here and it's been just the biggest blessing um what motivated
02:42:06.860me to become a gothy was uh in 2019 i went through some antipa drama i guess and um
02:42:21.180it i guess they thought it would they hoped it would make me apologize or something i don't know
02:42:28.220But it just it just made me commit to this more because I thought, wow, these are some pretty hilarious people that hate me.
02:42:36.240I must be on the right team. And just, you know, the outpouring of support I got from, you know, everybody, including Witten Spahn and the Old Sierra Goat and everybody just really showed me.
02:42:46.900Yeah, I'm in the right place. And that's only been proven, you know, a thousand fold since then.
02:42:52.460And I specifically after that, that same year, I took my folk builder oath at Winter Nights 2019.
02:43:00.280And right after that, Githya Katie Erickson was ordained.
02:43:03.540And the Ulsteria Gothi was explaining the position of Gothi or Githya and its importance.
02:43:11.840And for whatever reason, I can't recall the words he used, but just something about that moment was it.
02:43:20.640much like when i came when i heard about alstra for the first time i always describe it being
02:43:25.500like the flip of a switch kind of and i just knew i had my mind on it and i was going to make it
02:43:30.340happen i was going to join the afa etc with this it was like that same switch was flipped again
02:43:36.060you know but rather than from up to down or something up another notch and i was like okay
02:43:42.460I have to be a Goathe. And that early on in my time in the AFA, I did not want to be a Goathe.1.00
02:43:51.480I didn't feel like that was my position to be in. Like, it didn't feel like it was for me because I'd been a deacon in the Mormon church.1.00
02:44:00.120And so being any part of like church leadership sort of left a bad taste in my mouth, I guess.
02:44:06.820But, yeah, that moment and everything I'd been through that year just told me this is where I needed to be.
02:44:12.460and again everything that's happened since then has just proven it to be true uh like with wit
02:44:17.740and spawn you know the the uh nornir wove it this way and yeah everything's weird went ever as it
02:44:25.980as it should right um next question uh
02:44:35.500i'm gonna answer this one even though the guy was clearly trying to stir some stuff up
02:44:40.140he said what are your thoughts on the kindreds that have left the afa and joined the rfu
02:44:49.740that's a great question i'm going to answer it pretty honestly but as professionally as i can
02:44:55.340of course uh my thoughts are that i'm disappointed i'm very disappointed and a little bit sickened
02:45:03.420um it really speaks to the soul sickness that our folk have nowadays that
02:45:10.140You know, some of these people took oaths with the Alstrue Folk Assembly, and they tied their loyalty in, you know, to us, to our Alstrue, the Witten, and the Gothar, etc., and the rest of the folk here.
02:45:23.000And they heard lies, easily misproven lies at that.
02:45:28.140and um many of them knew they realized but they have such a soul sickness in them that they0.77
02:45:38.520chose to be weak of body mind and spirit and they uh they forsook their troth with the uh
02:45:47.780the icer and i i know you know rfu claims to be dedicated to the icer and i'm sure many of their
02:45:55.640members are in a way, but they, there's kind of, there's this idea in the modern age, and I think
02:46:07.000you'll all agree, even the guy that asked the question and likely hates me, there's this trend
02:46:13.760of, we always need the next new thing, we got to move to the next thing, the next big thing,
02:46:18.820what's new, when can I start over, let me start something new, and it's just throwing out the old,
02:46:24.420throwing out the baby with the bath water and starting something new so you can be you can be
02:46:28.240the king of the castle you can be the big guy in the backyard uh get the big piece of chicken
02:46:32.780at the barbecue as the ulterior guilty says that's silly uh and i'll say this
02:46:40.920if you broke an oath to the icier just so you could start your own thing and
02:46:48.120and have a you know give yourself a cool fancy title you're not else you're not
02:46:54.420you're something else. And I don't know what it is. That's for you to find out and decide for
02:46:58.540yourself, but you're not else true. Uh, that said, there are plenty of people who likely joined
02:47:05.000that group because they genuinely thought it was the right thing. And they believed the lies that
02:47:11.260were told to them. And that's not necessarily their fault. I wish that those people would
02:47:16.280have asked us, you know, the people that they had considered family just before that, what the truth
02:47:24.000what the matter was. And, you know, for those people, there's still certainly a road back.
02:47:32.400Like I said, part of that soul sickness, there's lies and mistruths and misinformation all over
02:47:37.920the place. And we have the unfortunate task of having to wade through it, as it were, and
02:47:46.500uh, and find that true North, uh, wouldn't spawn. Do you have thoughts on that?
02:47:52.680Yeah, we, we have people come in and I don't think that people realize that we have people come in.
02:47:58.740Uh, we have processes that we try to make the best and refine the best way in order to kind of do
02:48:05.120these things. And then after they come in, we have to deal with them. Um, and not in, not deal with
02:48:13.060but try to help them figure out these problems that they have or you know everyone's at least
02:48:18.660coming generally in a deficit that soul sickness um but that soul sickness can a lot of folks will
02:48:25.220hide it they're on the you know the the biggest viking and i'm the best and they're coming out
02:48:32.180of the gate you know hot and heavy and they're you know they're doing all this stuff but deep
02:48:36.580down inside they're still dealing with you know their relationship with divinity the relationship
02:48:41.860with their ancestors, the relationship they have with the living or even their own past.
02:48:47.360And they carry that with them. And then oftentimes it crops up again. It shows up after they've taken
02:48:55.120oaths. And, you know, the front facing part is, oh, yeah, oaths mean the most. And I'm the
02:49:02.380I'm the most oathiness Viking you could ever meet. And I'll, you know, I'll fight a dragon.
02:49:09.780but then when it comes to like can you show up in a tie and they're like no can't do it you know
02:49:19.200it's like that's that's the line do it yeah that's my line that's my break point and um i think it's
02:49:25.540dumb that you're wearing a tie and um i'm gonna go over here despite the oath i took in front of
02:49:33.240the gods, you know, it just, it just gets wild. And I know I'm making it super cartoony, but0.99
02:49:40.220yeah, I just, I think that one thing that it's worth noting is that if you,
02:49:47.440if you did not take oath of leadership and you leave because you are misguided,
02:49:52.640because there are lots of people out there that can misguide you and trick you and not have an
02:49:59.200open door policy not have an ability to reach out to leadership and just talk to them um which again
02:50:06.960stems to the biggest problem of this is there is i reached out to leadership and leadership's like
02:50:12.880what's going on like no one reached out to anyone like i didn't you know um but again it they need
02:50:20.640that as the narrative no i reached out to them and they said nothing it's like no you didn't
02:50:25.520reach out to anybody man um but if you you know if you made a mistake the house of true folk
02:50:34.400assembly has people come back we've had people come back multiple times um with an understanding
02:50:43.040um that they admit they just admit that i was displaced i was misguided i i was in the wrong
02:50:52.000frame of mind i was you know a lot of times it's just about owning up to the fact that hey you you
02:50:58.320made the folly and if you acknowledge it then you won't make it again um and you you know you really
02:51:04.800see it when you go when it goes into the oath leadership and you have somebody who was used to
02:51:12.560the way it was before you know california was it there were no other hoffs sharing the limelight
02:51:19.440and it was the coolest hangout spot for my specific friends and now they're talking about
02:51:25.280all these people elsewhere um and so you know they they fracture off they leave they they they
02:51:32.960lose their enthusiasm because they don't see our faith as something bigger it's just their little
02:51:38.880hangout and um you know then they come back saying you know oh i i messed up and then their friends
02:51:46.400make a group and they like run to um to join it um because they again they won the folly didn't
02:51:56.160matter to them and again their mindset is not really taking this seriously um and that's you
02:52:03.600know that's really really sad that one affected me specifically with govey in california who was once
02:52:10.160a marine and you know to to me making an oath and placing your honor on the table especially to be
02:52:18.160a godhar and to lead um your folk um and then for you to just switch you know nilly willy to not be
02:52:28.640involved with the rest of the gothar and asking questions about what's going on no it was just
02:52:34.000easier to kind of go there and join the the island of the misfits and you know the twisted spines and0.75
02:52:41.840angry and shake your you know your spear at leonitis for not letting you in when in reality
02:52:49.280you kind of did it to yourself um so i mean it was it's it's really sad and i've seen it happen
02:52:57.760And when I joined the Outstreet Focus Assembly, I was like, man, it's just going to be us against all that stuff out there, the chaos versus the order.
02:53:07.360No, a lot of times it's more or less the folly and the soul sickness of our people within.
02:53:12.500And so I beckon for people out there who are members or are thinking about members or even people who aren't even listening now, but perhaps many, many days from now.
02:53:24.520if you come into this faith you must grow and you must learn and that is not an easy thing to do
02:53:34.420and you're going to have ups and you're going to have downs you're also going to get confused or
02:53:40.900you might get opinionated about certain things you might not agree with certain things I know
02:53:45.860certainly I didn't agree with everything going on around me I had to learn I had to grow if I had
02:53:52.840when we started adopting like the 12 holy tides if i had said no in my house of true we did eight
02:53:59.680that would be ridiculous but instead now we're worshiping the gods more0.94
02:54:04.600that's that's good people get so entrenched in their ignorance it's ridiculous or you know oh0.93
02:54:15.000you guys don't follow this specific lunar calendar from the anglo-saxons and this year0.83
02:54:21.760you guys are just, you know, you're doing it wrong. No, that's not the point of faith and
02:54:29.540troth to the gods. The faith and troth is one to heal your soul sickness, bring you up to the level
02:54:35.880of nobility you deserve to be. And then you extend beyond and you have the vehicle, the ship I was
02:54:44.960talking about for myself, the vehicle for your ability to make your life better, try to gain
02:54:51.140success, gain stability, and then move forward with your church into the future, into the
02:54:59.140unknown, talking to other people, you know, marrying and having children and raising them
02:55:04.720to be also true. That's real faith. That's the real construct of a religion that will survive
02:55:13.220generations. And people don't want us to do that. There's a lot of people who do not want us to do
02:55:18.800that. And unfortunately, a lot of those people are us because they just can't
02:55:26.640get over that. It would require too much of them or it just offends their ego
02:55:32.500or something of that nature. So, you know, you're going to come into the faith. You're going to
02:55:39.280learn. You're going to have rough spots. But the key point is if you face calamity in your life,
02:55:45.500you don't run away from your faith you don't run away from your church you go in because those
02:55:50.220people want to help you if you have a problem within the church you have all the access and
02:55:54.940avenues to reach up into the upper levels and talk to them talk to them it could be here um
02:56:03.900it could be you know again just a phone call or even a you know a meet at at uh uh an event
02:56:11.340and you sit there face to face and look at this person and if you have a true grievance air it
02:56:18.440out say it um i think so many people are so afraid of airing out these grievances and also the other
02:56:28.100part is the gothar are not we don't claim to be i hear so much about like the christian you know0.61
02:56:35.620people that come from the christian church is like oh these holier than thou bible thumpers no we're
02:56:40.520not holier than thou we are taking up the responsibility we have jobs we have families0.88
02:56:47.600we have kids we are regular people we're trying to figure it out too and we're utilizing that our
02:56:56.460faith to help guide us and we want to show you how you can do the same so you know if you have
02:57:04.440a problem with clergy and you don't air it, you don't speak of it, and you just let it fester,
02:57:13.000you're just going to end up like, again, that's part of that soul sickness. They can't
02:57:17.720get it out. They have to keep it in and then they have to fester and start rumors and very just,
02:57:24.500you know, conniving, non-heroic, non-glorious behavior. And how can you sit there and say
02:57:34.020you're willing to fight a dragon if you're not willing to you know speak up and air your
02:57:40.540grievances to people that um are wanting to help and have volunteered to push all of this forward
02:57:49.420i don't know so yeah if you if you if you can don't think that it's a dead end you can come
02:57:56.880back it's just it's gonna require you to admit some things and talk to people you know talk to
02:58:03.940talk to the gothar talk to the else here go the and just say yeah i was yeah i was led astray but
02:58:10.080then talk openly i never thought it would be so hard to ask from people in a quote unquote viking
02:58:21.920religion uh yeah um so while we're kind of on that and we'll move on to more positive questions
02:58:30.840let me make something abundantly clear the also true folk assembly is the church of the icer0.98
02:58:36.900uh and take it from me i am a skeptic i'm an absolute part of my language asshole of a skeptic
02:58:45.740in everything but my faith literally everything i will argue with you about anything y'all have
02:58:52.180my email give me an opinion i'll argue with you on it right but this the afa the also true folk
02:58:59.920assembly we're the only ones doing this right and i don't say that to put down anybody else i it's
02:59:06.960i guess it's a bit of a boast about how we've been blessed by the icer um all father othen
02:59:13.440he called to our founder stephen mcnallan back in 68 68 ish if i got that wrong i apologize
02:59:23.380thereabouts. And from there, you know, fast forward to today, we have four Hoffs. We have
02:59:30.880Sigerheim. We are very well on our way to having a fifth Hoff. When is the last time that this has1.00
02:59:38.160happened? Over a thousand years ago? Surely hasn't happened since. It's not happening since.
02:59:44.360I, we're the only ones. Our, our folk need, need heroes, you know, and there's no one else but us
02:59:53.240really at the end of the day. And when I first got into the AFA, I did the, um, you know, the
03:00:00.180nice guy, let's all be friends thing. And I, at first I was very much of the opinion that, you
03:00:06.760know, the Austro Folk Assembly and the Odenic Rite and the Austro Alliance and the Troth and
03:00:12.760And all this should cooperate and come together under one big tent and just make it work.0.99
03:00:18.320And nothing against those groups except the gay ones.0.89
03:03:35.920Sorry, I was too, because I'm coming straight from work.
03:03:41.480so i'm oftentimes like eating a little bit of dinner while we're doing this um
03:03:47.000and i just don't want it to be noisy uh i just love how you said i want it to be everything
03:03:52.200like in my life right now i um i already spoke about like how i was led in these directions um
03:04:05.560praying to Thor and then Thorshoff showing up or going to the Auschwitz Folk Assembly
03:04:11.220after a long hiatus of being involved in any sort of religious things outside of myself
03:04:18.400and instantly getting that feeling that everything was changing.
03:04:24.880But, you know, I've been Auschwitz since 1994.
03:04:28.980And I think my aha moment happened in 1997.
03:04:33.380seven and it was you know so there this isn't like an instantaneous thing it it was over time but
03:04:40.900i was young and i was camping out um in a copse of like a large copse of woods actually
03:04:49.380i had found a tree along this horse trail that was covered in the knots on the tree looked like eyes
03:04:56.340so i called it like the tree of eyes and i i i made a campsite out there and um i stayed out
03:05:03.140there for two and a half days um and with like very little food just some water and i you know
03:05:12.900i stayed out there and i made it this conviction that i was gonna i don't know i actually don't
03:05:17.780even know what i was thinking like that i was gonna go out there and i was gonna come back with
03:05:23.380something and i was just so damn driven to do it that i went out there and did it even though i
03:05:30.660was still i was under 18. um i was in high school and i i just kind of disappeared um i remember
03:05:38.820kind of figuring out how to cover it with my my mother so that she wouldn't suspect um you know
03:05:46.660but i wasn't like sneaking out to a party or hanging out with friends over the weekend i was
03:05:51.060going to like sit in the woods and um you know commune um and i had a very strange
03:06:03.460weird moment um one that was almost audible the other that was very visual um the most almost
03:06:14.980audible was um that during this kind of long praying chanting by myself near the fire near
03:06:24.100this tree of eyes how i could be better devoted to lord oh then how could i gain access into val
03:06:32.580how could i be glorious and you know find my place in that heavenly realm with the other heroes
03:06:41.540um not considering you know a future of a life with a with a wife and kids or whatever i was
03:06:48.260young and i was just i wanted you know to be in glory and um and i kept praying to lord ovin
03:06:58.820and all of a sudden i stopped and it's like i could hear it almost like you would hear the
03:07:07.780ringing in your ear or uh kind of swooshing of blood rushing from your heart into your head
03:07:15.460no one else can hear it but it's there and it's audible and i i hear you cannot love a forest for
03:07:25.060one tree and it struck me like a smack like it wasn't what i was expecting or what i wanted
03:07:34.820really it wasn't what i wanted and um i didn't know what to do with that what am i supposed to
03:07:41.060do with that what does that mean and it so the rest of the time was in you know in contemplation
03:07:46.820of this and um i suddenly realized that you know i cannot have a relationship with the ice here
03:07:54.340if i'm solely worshiping lord odin and i'm so focused and concerned on the the you know the
03:08:02.900mechanisms of becoming the einherjar and you know just in my mind comedically i think of some sort
03:08:10.900of like black metal like i'm going to be in that no um it suddenly hit me with with reality and
03:08:18.500the reality was is that there's so much more to this than your tiny little keyhole focus is and
03:08:27.860you need to stop you need to stop and you need to start going bigger and that's when i understood and
03:08:36.180and the other thing was the next night um nothing happened like audibly but in the late late night
03:08:44.900um and tiny little fire and bear in mind i'm near a horse trail um but there somebody comes riding
03:08:52.900on a horse very slowly like walking not riding but walking and i could clearly tell with the
03:09:00.260backdrop of the through the trees there was a field so but it was probably two in the morning um
03:09:10.900and uh there was a woman riding on the horse and she stopped and she looked over at me
03:09:18.740and I just stood there and I didn't know if I was going to get in trouble. I didn't know if
03:09:25.540or what have you, or if this was a property owner or anything. I didn't know what to make of this.
03:09:31.980And just as slowly as she turned towards me, she turned forward and then slowly walked the horse
03:09:40.080into the dark and i just stood there in silence for about 30 minutes not knowing
03:09:48.020if i should leave because this person's going to call the cops on me or what but something
03:09:53.740deep down inside knew that wasn't that wasn't um like just a person there was something truly there
03:10:04.720And I realized that I had gone out, I had made these convictions, I was so determined, and that not only were the gods real, but that I was receiving information that was against my own kind of like ego, and what I wanted, I was receiving kind of outside information, saying, No, you're seeing this, and you need to see this.
03:10:29.860And there's not only just one tree, but I am of, you know, I am, I am the deeds.
03:10:35.480My deeds are to save the whole, not just to save myself.
03:10:39.520My eye is given, you know, my synthesization to Yggdrasil is not for me alone, but for my whole, which is the rest of the gods.
03:12:09.020sierra asks where do you envision the house true folk assembly in 10 years
03:12:12.540years and 20 years uh 10 more hoffs and 20 more hoffs um no but more hoffs and then twice as many
03:12:21.820more hoffs realistically uh i think you know with the way things are going just in the socio-political
03:12:30.340climate we find ourselves in here in the west more and more people are going to come home to
03:12:34.400alsatru and real folkish alsatru when they find folkish alsatru they're going to find the afa and
03:12:40.240And they're going to find that all the stuff I said five minutes ago about, you know, the AFA being the Church of the Aesir, they're going to find that and they're going to join us.
03:12:49.380And just growth from there, I think, well, certainly we will have released more documents like the Trulamel, more, you know, we'll have our own written works published.
03:13:06.440The Alstrue Academy will already be finished.
03:13:09.100I'm sure we'll keep tweaking it as the years go by just to keep up with, you know, various things.
03:15:39.600I would like to see a tripling in membership.
03:15:43.680Again, I think the biggest thing that holds us back is people don't know about us and our folk that are in don't really want to.
03:15:49.700tell other folks about it because they don't want to seem like they're proselytizing like
03:15:54.420Christianity. But, um, so, you know, in 10 years, I would like to see us at least triple our
03:16:00.400membership. Um, and, uh, you know, I would like to see the establishment of at least the 12
03:16:09.980Hoffs, but, you know, I think just with the nature of money and logistics and what have you,
03:16:16.600you know, seven of the 12, but that's in 10. In 20, I would love to see the 12 Hoffs to the
03:16:29.240Aus of our faith established, and at least the two Hoffs to the Aus Senior, Frigg, and Freyja.
03:16:38.180um and then after that you know there might be this just a bigger movement towards
03:16:45.600having hoffs just of the aus of trafolk assembly not not dedicated to one particular
03:16:54.740house or our senior but to all the gods and i think that kind of leads me up to the century
03:17:02.600is, you know, I would like to see us have a Hoth in other countries, but at least one in every
03:17:10.380state. You know, the closer we are to people, the better it is. But again, we need, it all hinges on
03:17:18.140us telling more people and getting them to understand they have a soul sickness and they
03:17:23.580need to come home and they need to heal it. And, you know, if we do that, then everything else I'm
03:17:30.720talking about will fall into place. And it, you know, hinges on us not being afraid to talk about
03:17:37.140our faith, not being afraid to lead by example. But at the turn of the, of a century, I would love
03:17:44.380to see the Auschwitz Folk Assembly perhaps having its own college, maybe even having its own,
03:17:52.780um, you know, ethical and, um, you know, uh, formulated maybe like in, in health insurance
03:18:04.760for their folk. You know, we have all these people, we have all these Hoffs, we provide
03:18:10.500services for our folk that are unique and that they can trust that we're being ethical versus
03:18:16.780having to, you know, our people are just getting thrown to the wolves and things or a bank,
03:18:21.820You know, having a like a bank and a lending service for our folk that doesn't extort them when they borrow money and really does seek to help them out or at least like maybe an online college.
03:18:41.800or and we can focus on not just the lower education for our children but higher education
03:18:47.800and then for the lower education you know perhaps there is um like physical schools but you know
03:18:55.720with with um you know a select few people from the communities willing to work and you know maybe
03:19:04.600receive pay for teaching the children so that way we can keep our our folk and our people and our
03:19:13.480faith going thriving and surviving within itself i think other religions um do this and we could do
03:19:23.400it too um a capital for sure but that the capital is um awe-inspiring um and
03:19:35.560i guess uh i don't know that's not as cool as like hoffs on mars but that's about it
03:19:43.080that's what i got right now um yeah while we're talking about where we'll see the afa in the next
03:19:51.16010 to 20 years the start to getting all those things is for all of you listening to this to
03:19:57.640come out to things go to your local hof or if your local hof isn't so local if you want to go to0.62
03:20:03.780something go to your local folk builders moot go to hell if you want go to the farthest possible
03:20:11.280hof i've done that it's pretty fun a little costly but you can make it happen it so uh as0.83
03:20:19.960written spawn coined and it's now an afa wide thing words are wind deeds are iron uh something
03:20:26.340we say in the afa a lot too is hail the doers you know hail those who do yeah you know right
03:20:32.700it's called right action right not right speech although that is a part i guess but
03:20:38.620we need to actually get out and do things for our folk and for the isere i can't imagine the
03:20:47.740all father is impressed by the types that sit around pontificating on if freya frigga uh ostara
03:20:55.540and sky they're all the same goddess they're not by the way uh well they're not as in the
03:21:00.600ic are not impressed by that and those are not all the same goddess but yeah uh next question
03:21:09.320finwraith good to see you finwraith he asks did you guys ever hear stories of the gods when you
03:21:18.160were growing up i did not because uh my dad's side of the family is southern baptist and my
03:21:23.620mom's side is mormon so just a resounding no unfortunately
03:21:28.660um i i definitely um i definitely did i remember distinctly that we had an illustrated bible
03:21:45.460and it was old testament new testament and my mother saw the part i think where like
03:21:51.700some daughters were sleeping with their dad and once she was blown away that this was in like the
03:21:56.820kids like or i guess pre-teen book or whatever but she was like oh yeah let's not yeah we're
03:22:05.300not gonna that's that was oddly emphasized and then she you know encouraged me to um
03:22:13.860look into other stories of other peoples but she always presented gave to me books and spoke of and
03:22:22.500talked of the gods because they do that still in iceland today that's part of like growing up and
03:22:28.820in the school you know system and it's it's just around um in the names of places so um
03:22:37.940yeah i definitely grew up with uh the stories kind of being told to me and it it was again i
03:22:44.180just considered them kind of whatever it's lame it's you know it just is what it is and then
03:22:50.580something happened right around 12 13 with the runes the runes were the thing that ignited it all
03:22:58.580um to make me realize wow this is like a whole religion and this is like a whole complex system
03:23:04.020and um yeah it's just that that's what that's what took it off but yeah aesop's fables the greek
03:23:12.980stories uh the celtic stories the slavic stories i heard them all and and read a lot of them
03:23:19.940and i think that's what really helps me now finding those connection points um but the the
03:23:27.060aidas and the local stuff about like trolls i still i should bring that book down i have a book
03:23:33.140from iceland about trolls like kidnapping people um and and grilla and the and the yule lads and
03:23:41.620stuff it's it was very much a part of my growing up yeah i guess i i didn't think of the uh
03:23:49.300the greek pantheon when speaking of the gods but i guess if you count that yes i did hear about the
03:23:54.920greek gods specifically a lot growing up i was very close to becoming a hellenist actually when
03:24:01.020i was 16 or so and then i i decided to stick with my cool guy edgy atheism instead but i you know i
03:24:08.860like like we said the nornier wove it that way i suppose i'm not greek i'm germanic mostly so that
03:24:16.100is what it is uh yeah but being exposed to the arian gods uh of yeah that's you know i think
03:24:27.020that counts it's yeah yeah you found your home where your blood resides but your exposure to
03:24:33.700them is you know and heroism and the glory of them comes and it just had a different feel than
03:24:41.920going to church and you know eating the body and drinking the blood and um all of that stuff
03:24:50.200yeah right even yeah even like the video games i played growing up like a freaking skyrim you know
03:24:59.060the the the nine divines and that are like clearly based on the icr to an extent so even that as0.99
03:25:05.580as a kid i was like man that sure would be cooler than you know stupid lame christianity0.96
03:25:11.640part of my language but that's probably how i said it in my head at the age of 12 or whenever0.95
03:25:16.160and i don't think it should be confused that this is some sort of reenactment of the things that we
03:25:22.060think are cool it's just that these things existed before christianity and we felt a disconnect from
03:25:29.540it that was clear and tangible and we could look around and see kind of the cut of the cloth of
03:25:36.460these people around us and we didn't buy into the whole you know i'm gonna break your leg and give
03:25:42.080you a crutch to sell you out of damnation and then when we found the tangible that was mimicked in
03:25:51.080the fantasy we're like holy crap this is real this is like a real thing um i i yeah i just i i agree
03:25:58.960with your sentiment i think that when people do read like even stuff that's not historical like
03:26:04.780lord of the rings there's something deeply intrinsic in our blood that calls us to remember
03:26:10.000a time that these fantasies are replicating they're replicating a feeling because it's in
03:26:20.340the author's blood it's just in our people and uh a lot i've heard christians say oh you know
03:26:27.660you're you're larping your religion from a video game or what have you and it's like no that's
03:26:34.300not the case at all um you know they uh again you know you you there's video games or media
03:26:44.380or comic books or whatever or stories that also utilize christian slack well really judaic
03:26:53.500frameworks and um you know the the the kids reading that you know i don't know i mean
03:27:00.620nobody would poo-poo at them if that led them towards a path towards you know connecting into1.00
03:27:06.660that faith um right you know suddenly they're just really down with judaic like
03:27:12.520you know spirits and beings or whatever but the difference is is that the mediums that we
03:27:19.520saw were clearly mimicking the faith of our ancestors before conversion this is what they
03:27:29.140were before other people came in so i don't know that that kind of gets me a lot of times in
03:27:35.880like online stuff so oh yeah uh next question uh finraith asks do you have any ideas on how
03:27:46.780you think the afa could grow into a much larger religion i guess we kind of said it and i say it
03:27:52.340a lot so much so that a lot of the other afa leaders are probably sick of hearing me say it
03:27:57.040But, yeah, wear your hammer proudly as long as it's not like a work hazard or something, you know, be openly also true.
03:28:08.080Treat it like it's normal because it is, you know, and this isn't I'm not meaning for this to turn into like the Abrahamic hate page or something.0.79
03:28:17.820But of its day, in its day, Abrahamism spreading past just Jewish people, that was the, like, leftism of its day.0.67
03:28:29.460It was spread by slaves and women and then later, you know, the oligarchs figured they could use it to link each other together for trade and whatnot.0.53
03:28:40.860that was the christianity specifically was the um you know was the what don't misgender me of
03:28:51.520of 2000 it and you know it's just like many of our folk are being duped by
03:28:58.840that goofiness now unfortunately many many more of our folk were duped by the the previous
03:29:05.980silliness uh yeah tearing down statues and then decreeing that uh paganism is evil because uh
03:29:15.660you don't agree that we're all equal under god like we're like yeah that has a similar mode
03:29:22.900right or like you know a guy chops down a tree dedicated to thor and he's like aha the tree
03:29:31.440fell down that means thor isn't real well churches get lit on fire is your god not real
03:29:36.400right you know uh anyway uh all this to say yeah be proudly also true it is normal and uh
03:29:48.240even if it weren't we were gonna make it normal it but it is it's our natural faith that's why
03:29:54.560it feels so natural when you attend these things that's why it feels like you know everything's
03:29:59.600coming together that kind of clicking that aha moment we've been discussing is it's it is just
03:30:06.960real it it it's for us for our folk our ancestors for tens of thousands of years at least practiced
03:30:15.360it in some form or fashion christianity has only plagued us for uh if we're talking northern europe
03:30:21.680you know a thousand fifteen hundred maybe sixteen hundred years at at max
03:30:28.720but and one thing that you're saying very very key what um go the east is saying is that you
03:30:37.040should wear it proudly because you're not doing anything wrong what that also means is don't be
03:30:41.920don't wear your hammer to be an edgelord don't wear your hammer to be outside of the norm no
03:30:52.000wear your hammer because you have the moral obligation to show people that and and the moral
03:31:01.360like uh correctness to say no our gods are real we have been separated from them
03:31:10.480and we deserve to be back with them that's not edgelordiness like ah you know i'm doing this
03:31:19.600because it's cool no you have the moral right to say that this hammer is a symbol of our correction
03:31:27.440and are moving away from you know pseudo-judaism um and you know it would be just as easily said
03:31:35.840if it was Islam. In a lot of circles nowadays, that's easily understood by people, but they0.96
03:31:43.060don't understand that Islam is just the new Middle Eastern invading religion in a lot of
03:31:49.280our countries. Christianity was the first. And so now it's our moral correctness to bring1.00
03:31:55.300ourselves back. You're not only not doing anything wrong, you're doing right. You have the right to
03:32:02.040that and that doesn't make you an edgelord that makes you a torch bearer so you know if they're
03:32:08.680doing this to to be edgy and wear their black paint and shoulder pelts and have the mohawk ponytails
03:32:16.920they might need to recalibrate where they're going with this and i think a lot of those people do end
03:32:24.360up failing out um and not pressing this forward and the gods are watching us do this um you know
03:32:34.040again we have the we have the the obligation and the correctness to say we need to bring
03:32:39.720our people home it's been long enough another question from ruin arcadia i believe this person
03:32:50.920was on the last episode i did as well i'm glad they've returned uh i joined recently i heard
03:32:56.360about the afa a while ago and i've been watching vns for a while i took a break for a while because
03:33:01.400i had talked to some swedish guy online who accused me of being an american culture vulture
03:33:06.840i regret letting him influence my journey here do you guys come across many icer gatekeepers
03:33:12.840yeah that's a really good question uh and there's a couple points to it so this thing about like oh
03:33:20.200white americans are stealing scandinavian nordic culture well uh white americans are largely
03:33:28.760anglo-saxon uh with some like viking admixture and some celtic admixture and then celts and0.90
03:33:35.720anglo-saxons aren't that different really at all it's mainly linguistic stuff um anglo-saxons just
03:33:44.280for example where um they're classified now as southern scandinavians because they are
03:33:50.040literally just scandinavians that left denmark and moved into northern germany instead um
03:33:57.800and then of course germans are just scandinavians who moved into germany instead and it goes on and
03:34:03.960on so just from a literal factual standpoint no you know scandinavian culture is your culture
03:34:11.240It may be a different flavor of it if you're Celtic or if you're, you know, Slavic or whatever, but it's yours.
03:34:29.220Occasionally we'll get a retweet on Twitter of one of Svan's kinsmen in Iceland maybe that is like,
03:34:37.740these guys aren't even Nordic so they're not practicing real Alcatru and it's like well
03:34:42.220you know first again most of us are actually Nordic just not from Scandinavia recently
03:34:50.500and again Alcatru is for all white people the AFA is Pan-Aryan because we are all one people
03:34:58.040you can prove it easily by just looking at us first of all uh connecting the languages uh there's
03:35:05.380all kinds of fascinating research you can do that very quickly and very easily
03:35:10.740uh shows that we're just one people it it really is that simple it's not a very grand answer but
03:35:17.780no else true is for you if you say you recently joined so you're a white person it's yours it's
03:35:24.020for you it's ours as when erickson famously said it is our birthright uh what do you think about
03:35:30.180all that wouldn't spawn well and i you know i grew up here in the states i came here when i
03:35:35.700was six but i still have family in scandinavia in iceland um and i do understand personally where
03:35:43.860this kind of mindset is coming from and what you're dealing with um again you know if it's like
03:35:53.380in their mind it's you know we don't worship the gods but if you aren't swedish you can't worship
03:36:00.740the gods i'm not gonna do it i mean so really nobody's getting the gods aren't being honored
03:36:07.300in any way shape or form but you can't do it because you ain't swedish norwegian scandinavian
03:36:13.300etc whenever i see that online too i always go uh cool where do the days tuesday wednesday and
03:36:21.620thursday come from because that immediately shows that one our faith was pan-european
03:36:28.180it was all in the northern part and then in the southern part when we you know migrated conquered
03:36:35.140fought and and etc um so they can't really say that you know you have to be scandinavian
03:36:41.540to be also true that's ridiculous um and it shows in from the runes to the names of the
03:36:51.940days to holy tides to specific places in england etc and then once it crosses the the ocean oh man0.73
03:37:02.700americans can't do any of that um and it's it's so strange to me because by their logic
03:37:11.120anyone can move to their country and be that nationality because that's the only thing they
03:37:17.600have left there if you can't be descended by uh ethnicity or blood from a people then what
03:37:25.620what is the other thing is that you just have to be born there in order to be there
03:37:30.760you know somebody could come from anywhere else in the world and get born in sweden and now they're
03:37:35.560Swedish um so you know they don't it really is just trying to stop or being um corrosive against
03:37:47.680the growth of it the other thing that's really strange is um the um idea that if so if also true
03:37:57.240is not uniquely Scandinavian but that the Scandinavians were the last to to practice it
03:38:02.840it was across europe um the the idea of americans who are of european descent honoring this faith
03:38:13.400um you know are they worried about the nomenclature is it the fact that we use the icelandic or old
03:38:18.840norse language and not modern english or some hybrid or what have you and the answer to that
03:38:27.720is that the differences are so minuscule between Odin and Woden that the call was to simply
03:38:36.120utilize the last literature written about the gods. We should use that and extend forward.
03:38:42.960So we're not vulturing, you know, Old Norse or Nordic culture. And again,
03:38:48.900is it culture if they're not doing it? They're ex-towningly not doing anything
03:38:57.100and they're like but you can't take the stuff i'm not doing there's it's wild to me like you can't
03:39:07.180you can't do all this stuff because you're not me are you guys doing it well no because that's just
03:39:16.380silly you know we believe in science and uh you know it's it's just it blows my mind um that
03:39:25.820people can can think and say and do that um i don't know i think that's that that is very haughty0.95
03:39:34.120and ridiculous outside of uh the nordic kind of um example too that's another thing is like i was
03:39:42.180called out online you're not icelandic you're just pretending to be icelandic and then of course he
03:39:46.820checked the database and realized yes i am icelandic but that isn't like i get a pass0.99
03:39:54.640it's it that was a dumb argument to begin with and they're you know the the idiot for pulling0.99
03:40:01.820it out and trying to go that route um but outside of that any other groups trying to0.99
03:40:07.980i mean yes i think mostly we have people who we spoke about earlier they they have problems here
03:40:14.540or they want to tear it all down to year one i'm gonna do a better job i'm gonna be the king of
03:40:20.560new house of true and they you know they leave the afa and then they make these kind of splinter
03:40:25.620groups i've seen so many of them come and go it's it's almost it's almost comical now it's still sad
03:40:33.760but it's a little comical now to see these people break off and say they're gonna do this and do
03:40:40.000that and then they just disperse into nothing um when they could be sticking true and holding on
03:40:49.320to the pathway and processing things forward and building their life and being a better person but
03:40:55.360they just can't do that so those people will gatekeep as well they'll they'll talk a lot0.57
03:41:01.720of crap about alsatru or the astro focus assembly um and again when you start to see that venom0.93
03:41:08.580consider the mouth it's coming out of consider the fangs attached to it so yeah um yeah well said0.99
03:41:17.960um uh that's pretty much it you know this is our birthright don't let people tell you it's not0.73
03:41:27.320uh if you're an afa member it means you passed our very simple requirements of being white and0.50
03:41:35.920heterosexual so then congratulations you get to be ousted true it really is that simple sorry you0.87
03:41:42.560know um i get i i do kind of understand in a way where scandinavians are coming from like in sweden1.00
03:41:51.480you know there's all these cool barrows where you know these ancient warrior kings are buried they
03:41:57.080have well what's left of uh upsala it you know it's very tempting to be in a land with all these
03:42:04.520things and i'm i think i'm just rehashing something the ulcerogothi said but i'm gonna
03:42:08.200keep talking anyway uh you know it's real easy to be in that land of all these mystical things
03:42:14.240all these fairly recent parts of our house true history specifically and to feel okay i'm good i
03:42:20.520don't need to build hoffs i don't need to reforge my faith it's it's all right here it's in the land
03:42:27.420i don't need to worry about it well that's that's silly i see you deserve better than that our folk
03:42:32.560deserve better than that. Your descendants deserve better than that. And your ancestors
03:42:37.440deserve to see you accomplish more than that. Um, that's, that's it for questions. It looks like,
03:42:48.720uh, you have any kind of closing remarks, uh, witness Vaughn?
03:42:53.300Yeah, I, I think it's really important that we understand that the conditioning that we have
03:42:59.820received growing up from these stories or from media is that we see the gods as kind of perhaps
03:43:07.900cartoonish representations of a slice of a singular moment in Scandinavia during a very
03:43:14.940bombastic and, you know, maelstromed time of politics and war. But we have a tendency to
03:43:25.000forget that the gods have been with our people long before that. They have been with us since
03:43:29.680we have left the very shores that Heimdall came to us. These stories have been told amongst us
03:43:37.580from all the way back to Kvasir, who walked amongst us. This is bigger and, again, more
03:43:46.720more gravity than i think a lot of people think you're not larping you are you're not an edgelord
03:43:55.120you have the moral right and obligation to carry the hammer forward and to tell people that they
03:44:01.140need to come home you know you're not doing it to be cool you're doing it to get to heal these
03:44:07.880people and to make them come back and get the strength and the heroism that they deserve
03:44:12.240It's been taken from the generation to generation after generation.
03:44:16.940Just like when I talked about like the Protestantism's, you know, connection towards, you know, dropping wealth and not having.
03:44:25.480I mean, there is so much of our life and our worldview that has inexorably changed.
03:44:32.240And it is our duty to tell people that it is OK to return home, that the Ponzi scheme has been sold to them.
03:44:45.140And now it's time to stop. And, you know, people laugh and say, you know, you don't have you know, your gods are like written in Marvel or you try to demean the gods and don't let them.
03:44:56.840the gods are real the gods are strong the gods are far more powerful than the stories even that
03:45:03.480we're talking about on these shows like hints to they're gods and they have they they work
03:45:10.280they move things in our path they move things out of our path they watch us through the well of urd
03:45:18.440this is something far greater than simply just running through those motions or pretending to
03:45:26.280be of something and the moment you realize that all of the deceptive framework of uh pseudo that
03:45:34.920pseudo reality that's been placed by by these organizations that want you you know these these
03:45:43.960foreign alien thought pathways once those are removed and you realize they don't have that power
03:45:51.080that's when you can open up and realize the gods are intrinsic in our life they have been
03:45:58.860for generations and generations they didn't need us to proclaim from the mountaintops
03:46:05.420their names they've all they never left but now i think it's incumbent upon us
03:46:12.080to start realizing that they deserve better and um so yeah stop stop making it
03:46:20.720less stop making it so either obscure atheism or you just can't quite conceive how the gods could
03:46:29.640be real because you know how could the omnipresent nameless thing um that christianity has turned
03:46:37.940divinity into, even though in their book it's very, very clear what Yahweh is. Now it's just
03:46:46.680so obscure that it's leaving people confused. No, you have their names. We have our way to
03:46:53.260identify them. We can historically look at that, but that's all well and good. At the end of the
03:46:58.140day, they're there and they are interacting with our lives. They have power and they have presence
03:47:06.520And they deserve that we have this gift cycle. And then they can, once you open up that avenue to speak to them, just like with our ancestors, that's the part that starts it.
03:47:19.560You have to open up in order for this to start. If you never do that again, you're never going to see the true power that the gods have in the world.
03:47:36.520and in our lives and you'll never understand you'll always be asking oh you know why is god
03:47:41.720doing this to me etc etc when you suddenly come home and realize that you know the gods and us
03:47:49.240and all the events in the world are woven in this intricate pattern going forward and you're not
03:47:55.960alone and you have folk it unites the gods you and the ancestors all woven together
03:48:03.800all right i'm sorry yeah not this good way to end it pretty hard um one last thing before we go i
03:48:15.200just want to plug charming the plow one last time it is two weeks and a day now away um february
03:48:24.58021st or the 23rd uh be meals and rituals uh the mcnallans will be there if you ever wanted to meet
03:48:33.360uh our first ulcerer gothi and his lovely wife wife githya mcnallan they will be there
03:48:38.720uh the flavels will be there i will be there the ericsons i think will be there the list goes on
03:48:46.020it's going to be a great time please show up you'll have an awesome time it'll leave you feeling
03:48:53.080spiritually charged until old star which is exactly a month later at thorataw
03:48:57.460so you can get those tickets at runestone.org slash store if you are on mewe the links are
03:49:06.160around if you can't find them on mewe you can email any of us find us wherever and we'll get
03:49:12.340you the links uh with all that being said i have to be up in five hours i'm gonna get some sleep
03:49:18.820hail the icer hail the folk hail the oustrew folk assembly and never forget victory never sleeps