Asatru Folk Assembly - 3⧸1⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 34 - Victory

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00:03:30.000 tonight we are jumping through some some technical challenges um

00:03:45.760 if you guys are uh i'm not sure if you guys are aware but in the uh

00:03:51.200 in the sierras where uh steve and sheila mcnalen live there's been blizzards the past few days

00:03:59.900 they were struggling without having power and tonight they do not have internet service so we

00:04:05.900 are trying to conduct this a different way to where we can route it through uh sheila's cell

00:04:12.100 phone and so we're we're going to be working on that um

00:04:16.080 We're trying to run a couple of things here, so if I'm a little bit spacey at the beginning,

00:04:23.940 I'm fielding texts from them trying to get this squared away, so I apologize about that.

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00:05:16.080 you to try to get that figured. If there's a way you can go to it, talk to your local

00:05:41.380 folk builder and we'll try to get y'all set up um judging by the chat it looks like i might have

00:05:50.340 been talking to myself for a minute um i see myself back on now so i hope we're i hope we're

00:05:55.940 doing all right all right cool so if you guys didn't hear me uh just to reiterate i said um

00:06:04.020 a week from this friday we're going to be having ostara at thorshoff in linden north carolina and

00:06:10.180 I invite you guys to come out to it if at all possible. If you'd like to make sure if you're

00:06:16.340 a member, fantastic. If you're not, that's not a hard no. Just make sure that you're able to talk

00:06:23.540 to your local folk builder and we can try to get that set up for you. So I assume somebody will

00:06:34.420 chime in when we got stuff squared away. I see Nick is diligently working on it on the back end

00:06:39.460 there um we are our own participant is now joining sounds like we're getting it uh getting

00:06:48.820 it figured out i think i hear sheila in the background okay however okay i'm here sheila can

00:06:58.980 you hear me

00:07:10.300 Sheila, can you hear me?

00:07:15.020 All right, we're trying, guys.

00:07:16.440 I know it's probably obnoxious to listen to at this point,

00:07:18.720 but they'll get it figured out on the back end.

00:07:24.360 Couple of updates.

00:07:31.080 Pretty quick, and I was just running some numbers.

00:07:34.340 we are doing really well on our um paying off new yorks off and as you guys know uh in order

00:07:41.300 to get phrase off which is you know huge goal of ours it's going to be an amazing thing we're going

00:07:51.220 We're going to get that in Ohio, that's New York in, I believe, July with the dedication

00:08:10.600 in August.

00:08:12.340 That said, we have already paid off 58% of the value of that hof in such a short amount of time.

00:08:22.740 So you guys have been very generous. We're doing fantastic on that. I appreciate it.

00:08:27.620 If you guys want to continue to help with that, I think Nick is busy right now or else he'd throw up that link.

00:08:33.280 But you can find the link at runestone.org or at any of our district sites.

00:08:38.340 I ran numbers for it. And looks like right now, if every member of the AFA were to donate $102

00:08:48.200 towards it, we'd have it all paid off, just to put it in a little bit of perspective.

00:08:54.260 So we're doing fantastic on that. Something else that's exciting, and we're watching it

00:09:00.420 and doing the back end maintenance, we are two members away, two members away from having our

00:09:09.680 first 1,000 members. So we're watching that. We should cross that line very soon. If you guys

00:09:16.260 are on here and you're not a member of the AFA and you should be, time to join up. If you guys

00:09:22.280 know people that should join up that are sitting on the fence, I would encourage them to get those

00:09:28.340 guys to join up too we could use your help getting over that 1000 mark and besides we need that we

00:09:35.060 need all our folk to come home as best we can get them unknown participant is now joining

00:09:39.940 so i'm giving it a couple minutes here there is a backup plan in case this doesn't work so so never

00:09:48.060 fear um oh other stuff so you guys know we are simulcasting today on twitter

00:09:58.740 and on vk um so yeah we're we're doing really good

00:10:09.140 trying to give this another second here i know this has got to be

00:10:12.020 got to be painful for you all to listen to until we figure it out but it will be worth it

00:10:18.420 in the meantime we have um i know you guys wanted to hear from steve on this program

00:10:23.060 for a really long time we've wanted to have him and we're we're trying to overcome this hurdle

00:10:29.220 so hard tonight because it's such a special thing to be able to have steve on with us

00:10:33.700 so we're trying hard to make that happen because i know you guys got great questions for him

00:10:38.580 and uh yeah we'd love to see that happen um this will be the culmination of the series that we've

00:10:47.460 done on the uh the noble virtues and we did the first nine that i'm sure most people are are

00:10:54.980 commonly familiar with hello and hello can you hear me about that okay yeah sorry to interrupt

00:11:04.020 you there but uh no you're like yeah yeah crossing my fingers great interruption all right all right

00:11:13.700 All right. Well, guys, without further ado, and exactly what I was going to get to, we're going

00:11:17.320 to that 10th noble virtue of victory. And to celebrate victory and to talk about victory

00:11:22.640 tonight and to answer any of y'all's questions you might have, we have the founder of Modern

00:11:27.440 Alcitru and the father of the Alcitru Folk Assembly, Mr. Stephen McNall. And Steve,

00:11:32.920 thank you so much for joining us today. It's absolutely my pleasure. I'm just glad we

00:11:37.380 finally made this thing work. We were sitting here kind of pounding on the

00:11:42.700 uh, the, the mute key trying to get through to you and one thing and another, but as it is now,

00:11:48.480 it looks like we are good to rock. And I'm sitting here with a cup of coffee in one hand

00:11:53.860 and the phone in the other, and I'm looking out at the snow that has made my day difficult.

00:12:01.420 Yeah, we're, we're getting it on the other side of the mountains too, but not, uh,

00:12:05.180 not in a debilitating way. Like you guys, you know, I want to make the point for everybody

00:12:09.680 out there, I think it's apropos that a part of winning is not giving up and finding solutions

00:12:17.740 and stuff doesn't quite go your way. And I think that's certainly what we're trying to do for you

00:12:21.920 all tonight. I think that's a very big part of it. Yeah, absolutely. You'll notice a number of

00:12:30.540 noble virtues are about just that, our perseverance, our being industrious, you know, and that's

00:12:39.660 those things lead up to victory and so to set set the stage a little bit um I added the 10th

00:12:46.980 noble virtue of victory I I understand that we'll see if it stands the test of time but the reason

00:12:53.200 I did that was was for a couple of things and one of them was inspired very much uh by Steve

00:13:00.320 McNallan there was a video that he did and I've tried to go back and find it and I can't locate

00:13:05.740 it on YouTube. I don't know whatever happened to it, but there was one where Steve was talking

00:13:11.780 about the concept of sigur, and that's the Old Norse word and the current modern Icelandic word

00:13:20.320 for victory, and he talked about it not just as a goal or as something to accomplish, but

00:13:28.340 of having a value and a currency in and of itself. The fact that victory is a sign

00:13:35.140 of luck it's a sign of the favor of the gods and that our ancestors looked for people who had

00:13:42.760 a track record of victory to rally behind because that was a that was a proof that those people were

00:13:51.000 blessed and those people were to some degree on the right path and i found that really inspiring

00:13:56.440 and i know that had to have been like a 2005 2008 video something pretty early on but it really stuck

00:14:03.580 with me. Do you recall that video at all? Sort of. I mean, that was quite some years back and

00:14:14.700 goodness knows I've done quite a few things since then. I do recall, you know, working with those

00:14:21.920 ideas and victory as a reward for right action, largely, which is another way of saying you get

00:14:34.140 the luck you make. The person who gets out there and refuses to give up exhibits certain traits,

00:14:41.960 certain qualities that make for luck, make for victory. And if you can ingrain that tendency

00:14:50.060 within yourself um you know the sky's the limit yeah you know um absolutely and one thing that

00:14:59.820 you know we're going to talk a little bit about victory here and then i'm i'm very sure the

00:15:03.980 conversation is going to trail off into lots and lots of questions for you steve and and

00:15:10.140 as it should and i hope that it does um but in talking about victory for a second

00:15:15.740 it is

00:15:18.680 yeah this is something that's weighed uh pretty heavily on me lately every time we lose um a

00:15:28.460 member of the AFA every time a member of the AFA dies it it makes makes me and I think I think it

00:15:36.080 makes us all stop and think and I think that's that's right to do so and something that's

00:15:41.540 appalling to me and very tragic is that in the astro folk assembly suicide is by far the leading

00:15:49.060 cause of death um and that's that's not a statistic that i'm proud of and i don't think that's just us

00:15:57.300 i think that's um i think that's white men in general in the west and i think you know i don't

00:16:06.260 want to co-opt anybody's grief or or use that for for to make a point but i do know that this is

00:16:12.900 weighed on a lot of those men is an attitude of hopelessness because it's hard not to in this day

00:16:19.220 and age we have messages of hopelessness reinforced so often um i only use twitter to uh

00:16:27.940 promote afa things but in order in order to get there and to do that i have to go through my page

00:16:32.980 and this isn't because i'm following any of these people it's just algorithms on people that i like

00:16:38.020 and it's those of us who are probably very well meaning that are all kind of on the same team

00:16:43.060 in an endless cycle of just exposing what all is wrong with the world

00:16:49.060 and i think we all get it but what's essential and what i really want to see us all do

00:16:55.540 is focus on the things that we have access to fix focus on plans and goals and positive things

00:17:05.460 rather than just masochistically going over all the things we we all agree that we don't like

00:17:11.460 ad nauseum i think that that has a weight on people and unfortunately we've seen a number

00:17:16.580 of our brothers crushed under that weight and and and linking this back to to the point

00:17:23.220 if you're only focused on those things that you don't have or the things that you've lost

00:17:29.860 you miss the opportunity to focus on the things that are within your grasp

00:17:34.800 and the victories that we very much can accomplish and so it's a victory to me in a lot of ways is a

00:17:42.580 matter of perspective because if you don't see opportunity and aren't motivated to try to take

00:17:47.780 the opportunities you get, even if they're not the opportunities you want, you miss out on victory.

00:17:53.520 Victory passes you by. Yeah, yeah, I would certainly agree with that. You know, I've got a

00:18:05.200 little something I've been doing lately that is kind of my personal solution to that. If you got

00:18:10.760 a second i'll tell you about that please do yeah you know i've i've i've just started calling it

00:18:17.960 my greeting to the day and to odin and to coffee and i mean no disrespect or belittling you know

00:18:27.160 the the might of the high one when i i put coffee in the loop there i get up early in the morning i

00:18:32.900 rise at about oh 400 uh and uh i make a cup of coffee and sheila's still in bed the cat is up

00:18:40.100 of course, and bothering me. And, uh, you know, and I feed whatever animals are on the front porch

00:18:45.840 and I sit down with my coffee and I've taken to deliberately expressing my gratitude for the day.

00:18:53.880 And I say something to myself just offhand, like, uh, another day in Midgard, another day

00:19:05.560 of life. Another day in my life. Another day to be and to become and to overcome.

00:19:19.080 And at my age, it may be easier to kind of take a look at the end of life. You know,

00:19:26.000 I see it down there somewhere. And I am grateful. I am so grateful, Matt, for another day in Midgard,

00:19:38.180 the most wondrous of worlds. I sit here in this very chair that I'm sitting in now,

00:19:44.260 and I look around me and I think, you know, here it is. You know, I'm well into my 70s.

00:19:50.700 This is another day of life, a day of life in Midgard, another day where we interact with reality in this particular way, another day to overcome, to become, to serve my people, to grow, to be more than I am.

00:20:14.900 And, you know, it sounds kind of corny if you just kind of describe it like that.

00:20:20.900 But, you know, I really stop and appreciate it.

00:20:24.700 I grab this day.

00:20:26.160 I grab this day.

00:20:28.040 And I say, this is wonderful.

00:20:31.420 Another day of my life.

00:20:33.480 Because I know I'm one day closer to the grave.

00:20:36.400 And, you know, I'm good with that.

00:20:38.900 But that day that I'm looking at right now is precious.

00:20:44.900 It's precious.

00:20:46.720 And I always remind myself of two principal things.

00:20:51.920 First of all, who I am.

00:20:56.400 Not, you know, Steve McAllen, you know, founder of modernized to true, whatever, whatever, whatever.

00:21:03.880 But it's more like I am a sovereign spiritual being, an ek, as our ancestors called it.

00:21:14.900 You know, cognate, obviously, with words like I and isch in German.

00:21:20.400 But ek, I am a self.

00:21:22.920 I am a sovereign spiritual being, and I'm here with this day.

00:21:28.460 And then the other thing that I tell myself is, what is it my will to do?

00:21:33.840 And to condense largely and kind of clean it up a little bit,

00:21:37.780 it is my will to help secure the destiny of my people in this world.

00:21:44.900 and to bring us good things, to bring us success, to bring us greatness in every regard.

00:21:52.820 I want to serve my people as much as I can.

00:21:58.200 And, you know, I got to say, since I started doing this, my days go better.

00:22:04.900 My attitude is better.

00:22:06.300 I quit swearing so much.

00:22:09.680 That's one of the things on Steve's to-do list.

00:22:12.680 Stop your swearing.

00:22:14.900 And it makes a difference. It makes a difference to me. And I'm happier. My cat's happier. Sheila's happier. Now if the damn snow would just back off, I'd be doing great.

00:22:29.460 i think that's that's such a good attitude to have and it's it's so important each and every

00:22:38.960 one of us can at the bare minimum be thankful for that you know every day you have another

00:22:46.520 opportunity for victory you have an opportunity to achieve you have an opportunity to move the

00:22:52.220 ball forward and make you know in tonight better than last night was you know make yourself a

00:22:58.420 little bit better uh victory we always look for you know these huge leaps of victory you know the

00:23:05.400 perfect moment in time where the big victory happens but the the secret is most often that

00:23:11.680 doesn't happen most often victory is a collection of tiny but consistent victories over time that

00:23:19.800 build up to that to that big victory and i don't think we should ever discount those

00:23:25.880 Yeah, I completely agree.

00:23:27.780 And you've got to look at the little things, too.

00:23:33.100 You know, I said that I greet the day and I greet my coffee and I greet the one I'd want.

00:23:42.560 I've come to look at coffee, and this sounds trivial, but if you think about it, it really isn't.

00:23:49.480 I pour myself that first cup of coffee in the day, and I'm mindful that, in a sense, coffee brings awakening, right?

00:24:02.200 It clears my mind, clears my head, pulls together all those components that I'm composed of and bring them together into a coherent whole.

00:24:11.160 it is awakening. And in a sense, coffee is the microcosm, the very small version of that larger

00:24:26.060 awakening with a capital A that should be one of our goals. And I use that as a way of tuning

00:24:35.240 myself into those big goals again uh awakening this cup of coffee oh heck yeah this is really

00:24:42.860 great but the real awakening is the spiritual awakening and that's what i'm working on today

00:24:49.580 for you and you know it sounds trivial but i think that if you can find little ways to use

00:24:55.300 the little things in life spiritually i think you'll you'll find that you're making progress

00:25:03.220 at least that's that's kind of my observation so in fact i've got a cup of coffee here in my hands

00:25:08.900 even as i speak and she didn't put any whiskey in it but oh well you know i i think that's

00:25:16.660 that's absolutely right on and for people to be able to have a positive attitude and appreciate

00:25:22.740 and another thing with what you said is just the appreciation appreciating the little things

00:25:28.500 appreciating the things we have instead of always being you know focused on what we don't have

00:25:35.380 you know we want to stay hungry but there's there's a huge value in being thankful for

00:25:40.980 the things that we do have and we have a lot of things to be thankful for and i think our

00:25:46.820 our listeners are thankful that you're on the program because we got some questions

00:25:52.500 stacking up for you okay wants to know uh for mr mcnalen what do you think of everything the afa

00:26:01.460 has done since you started it what do i think of what we've done as a whole i think we've done

00:26:09.300 vast things i i am i'm proud to have played the role i played um you know it's like a it's like

00:26:16.100 a rocket streaking off into space you've got you know first stage and second stage and whatever you

00:26:21.940 you know, depending on, on what the mission is. And, uh, I am, I'm honored to have provided,

00:26:28.460 um, stage, stage number one engine, so to speak. Um, and I'm delighted with where stage two or

00:26:39.060 three or whatever the hell this is. Uh, uh, I'm delighted at the things that we're accomplishing

00:26:45.220 now uh and i think you're doing a great job matt and uh you know i'm i'm i just sit back and i can

00:26:52.500 be really happy about this i mean don't get me wrong i still want to be a player i mean i'm i'm

00:26:57.620 i'm not in retirement i'll be in retirement when you know when they burn me on the pyre

00:27:03.220 um until then it's it's rag rock and roll baby and and i'm moving along

00:27:07.380 you know that's and it means a lot to hear you say that first um but i've tried to say this to

00:27:17.460 some people and i think a lot of people especially our audience understands this but that first step

00:27:26.180 the step from nothing to something that's the that's the greatest distance that there is

00:27:33.700 everything after that is you know can be fantastic but the difference between something being

00:27:42.340 perhaps an idea and something becoming real that first step is the biggest difference

00:27:48.980 and you made this real um you made this real you know what 54 years ago now and it's endured

00:27:58.180 and picked up momentum but that first stage the difference between you know to use your

00:28:03.140 rocket analogy something being on the ground to it being in flight that's that's the big difference

00:28:10.740 um so you know we're so appreciative of that we got the king of cheese asking his usual question

00:28:18.020 matt elder mcnalen it's good to have you both on tonight how are we doing tonight how are you doing

00:28:22.980 tonight steve i am doing fine now that i'm not out in the snow and i've got my cup of coffee

00:28:31.620 you know the day has been challenging uh i've been doing a lot of work uh and until until

00:28:40.020 our internet went down and i had to shift gears but i am doing fine i really am life is good

00:28:47.540 yeah so give you more nuanced answer than i usually do tony it's been an interesting day

00:28:54.320 today it's first of the month i do all my first of the month afa stuff because you know we've got

00:28:59.280 got certain things we got to pay at the first of the month certain things we got to update

00:29:02.800 but something else i do is i check my body fat and and do all that at the first of the month too

00:29:08.900 now february you guys might know but i got terribly sick when i was in florida and i was

00:29:13.980 way off my game. And I just kind of have been eating however I wanted since I got back and

00:29:20.700 figured I'd start fresh in March. Turns out I actually lost fat last month and I gained muscle

00:29:27.660 last month somehow magically. So pretty happy about that. It's been up and down on this Steve

00:29:33.880 interview tonight. I've been very excited for it. And then, you know, there's a hiccup there and I

00:29:39.180 was wondering if we'd be able to do it. And then there was a little scramble and finally with about

00:29:43.780 10 minutes to go. We got it all figured out. So I'm doing great. I look forward to these every

00:29:49.920 week and getting to be here, getting to talk to you guys and, you know, not only getting to talk

00:29:54.940 to my friends on these, but specifically tonight getting to host a man that is a personal hero of

00:30:01.200 mine and somebody that means the world to all of us. I'm happy and I'm honored. And also I'm

00:30:09.980 drinking a peanut butter milk stout and it's delicious and so I'm doing all right peanut

00:30:17.000 butter milk stout yes sir cool I don't think we drink that in Texas but okay I tried I've tried

00:30:27.760 really hard to store up my man points so that I can spend them on drinking girthy drinks because

00:30:33.500 you throw an umbrella in it and if it's colored pink that's that's my jam so that's why we hear

00:30:39.440 about your workout first right yeah that's what i'm saying i gotta i gotta lay the groundwork so

00:30:43.720 i can get away with the with the girly drinks there it is there you go so our next question

00:30:49.640 is from sarah steve how old were you when you read your first fantasy slash sci-fi book what

00:30:57.100 was it and do you feel it changed your life um well let's see i i can't tell you exactly how old

00:31:04.840 I was I was in probably junior high we're talking we're talking you know science fiction now as far

00:31:13.800 as science fact stuff goes I and forgive me if for all of you heard me say this before but

00:31:20.680 when I was a preschooler I ran across a book club for for kids and I was even then I was a space

00:31:31.800 fanatic. I still am. You know, I think that's part of our destiny as a people. We are the

00:31:37.980 spacefaring folk. And I would beg my mom to order me books. These are, you know, factual books.

00:31:49.700 They were hardbound. They cost a whole dollar each, which in 1950-whatever was a lot of money.

00:31:57.180 and my mom read those to me word for word my mom knew more about astronomy and rocketry than any

00:32:09.560 woman in Breckenridge Texas I gotta tell you so as far as science fiction goes I don't remember

00:32:18.240 the first one I read, I remember that in high school, I kicked butt in Algebra 1. I went to

00:32:27.720 Algebra 2. She hated me. She hated me. I got a bad attitude, and I quit studying hard, but I went

00:32:37.820 down to a thrift store and bought like 20 science fiction paperbacks. My favorite always has been

00:32:47.980 Heinlein, Robert Heinlein, totally outstanding stuff, and Asimov and some other people.

00:32:56.100 But I was quite young, quite young when I started reading.

00:33:04.680 Say again, Sheila?

00:33:08.100 The one that made the difference for you.

00:33:10.120 Oh, the one that made the difference for me.

00:33:12.160 Let's see.

00:33:14.700 Rocket Ship Galileo.

00:33:18.620 and Starship Through Space.

00:33:25.260 You still there, Bob? Yeah, we got a question from Trent. Founder McNallan,

00:33:30.860 how does it feel to see something that you've built come so far in such a short time?

00:33:37.500 Well, it's been amazing. And of course, it makes me feel good. Of course, I like that.

00:33:43.420 that it's happened uh you know i still want to make a contribution i'm by no means consider

00:33:48.780 myself on the sideline and you know i'm working in a little little different arena right now but

00:33:53.900 the end goal that which is to say the uh the cause of our gods and the uh the high destiny

00:34:00.460 of our folk uh these are still the things that absorb me all day every day pretty much

00:34:08.140 well sarah says uh matt current workout what his gain goals are and what he's doing daily to

00:34:21.340 achieve them also if you'd ever consider doing a power lifting competition so i guess last question

00:34:29.900 first no because my joints are terrible honestly i've really damaged my joints over the years

00:34:40.300 and i think that the only lift i'd be competitive at for those of you that aren't familiar power

00:34:45.660 lifting is um bench press squat and deadlift and my knees are way too shot to put up big numbers

00:34:56.380 in the squat and my rotator cuffs my shoulders are just too banged up to do traditional bench

00:35:03.420 press in any kind of a heavy way that's gonna gonna score but my my deadlift is solid i can

00:35:09.820 do my deadlift pretty good but uh you know that's that's what would hold me back from that is my

00:35:15.260 joints are just shot uh current workout goals well because everything worked out favorably and

00:35:21.500 And because I've been trying to cut for a long time, I'm going to do a bulk this month and try to satiate myself with, you know, some up calories and hopefully put on some mass and then get back to cutting next month.

00:35:37.240 I'd like to see my body fat get under 17 percent. It's just slightly north of 18 right now.

00:35:45.520 I'm going to take a little break on cutting for a little bit. And that's what I'm doing daily to achieve it.

00:35:50.380 I mean, I go to the gym every day, regardless, assuming I'm in town, if I'm traveling, I can't

00:35:59.140 necessarily do that. And I count all of my macros. For people that aren't familiar, your macronutrients

00:36:07.340 or your proteins, your fats and your carbohydrates. And I count and log all of those that I consume

00:36:12.780 during the day and try to keep that, you know, at certain goals. So that's what I got going on right

00:36:19.360 now um katla has a question for you steve would you ever write another book and if so what about

00:36:29.360 well funny funny you should ask that i a few hours ago kind of wrapped up my first draft of my book

00:36:42.080 book. It's not a big book. You know, this is not going to be anything nearly as long as

00:36:49.160 it's true Native American religion. And it is called simply The Spear. And of course,

00:36:56.920 we know what spear that is. And to me, it is the spear of awakening. It is the spear of

00:37:05.680 initiation. It is the spear of sovereignty. It is, of course, the spear of the one-eyed one.

00:37:17.320 And I believe that it is time for us to throw that spear, to throw awakening over our folk,

00:37:29.040 to wake them from their slumber.

00:37:31.700 And of course, actually, that's

00:37:33.300 Golovasa true in general.

00:37:36.000 But this is sort of a specific thing.

00:37:38.960 And it's sort of a handbook

00:37:42.240 that I think that people may find useful

00:37:46.340 when it comes to applying their efforts

00:37:48.740 for the sake of our folk

00:37:50.020 and for the sake of our gods.

00:37:52.860 We live, this is not news

00:37:55.040 to anybody out there who's listening.

00:37:56.500 we live in an incredibly degenerate age and those of us who are awake with a capital a

00:38:04.780 we need to be resisting the current culture with everything we've got from spirituality

00:38:13.240 comes culture from culture comes politics politics is downstream of all the other stuff

00:38:18.640 which is why it's not really our key focus if we take care of the spirituality and we take care of

00:38:24.660 the culture, you know, politics will take care of itself. But I think that we are entering a

00:38:35.380 very tumultuous period. We've seen the first shockwaves. I think more is to come. And we need

00:38:44.300 to get our spirituality squared away. We need to get our dedication to our folk squared away

00:38:51.920 and to live in such a manner that everything that we do affects this perilous time in which

00:39:03.080 we live and which we exist.

00:39:05.520 So it's called Spear, and I will be sending it off probably to Lulu for printing, well,

00:39:18.060 Sheila said within weeks.

00:39:19.120 And I, yeah, I would say within weeks and sooner, I would prefer that that was within days, but you know, I'm, that's just me.

00:39:27.880 So, so yes, yes, I would definitely would write another book and I'd almost have.

00:39:35.220 Fantastic. I'm sure we're all looking forward to that.

00:39:39.300 We will definitely be trying to get ahold of that and stock it in our store.

00:39:44.900 Yeah, people, people are hungry for that. I'm sure, I'm sure that's going to do very, very well.

00:39:49.120 Chris has a question. He says, some people think that the AFA using the word church is a new thing.

00:39:57.620 You want to know, founder McNallan, can you tell us about the Ausitru Community Church?

00:40:03.820 About the Ausitru Community Church. Oh, wow. Oh, goodness. Yeah, looking back, that was a local experiment.

00:40:14.620 We did loads of experiments, you know, things that, you know, some of which, and also True Community Church being one, that actually fell by the wayside pretty quickly.

00:40:25.380 But we actually held public, quote, church services, unquote, out at the library.

00:40:34.720 And it was done, you know, in a dignified way and as professional as I could make it.

00:40:43.820 um and basically i would i wouldn't do it today i mean i wouldn't you know but i've i've matured

00:40:51.960 a lot from that time and uh you know got a lot of things squared away in my head on that

00:40:57.300 and i would not do that today but yes i wanted to make it yeah do something public just so people

00:41:05.000 would know we were here and uh we did it for how long sheila uh really year and a half

00:41:13.480 good grief I can't believe okay well I mean you can all hear me talking with

00:41:21.860 Sheila's background here you know it was it was we got yes we got a friendship

00:41:31.580 with a magnificent guy Dave Moore from that and and and and you know he he was

00:41:40.980 he was with us for years and years if I walked out my front door I see a big oak

00:41:48.020 tree about 50 60 feet away and on it Dave had put you know it was fake eyes

00:41:58.380 and mouth on his his own grandfather oak as we call it and you know yeah he

00:42:07.500 didn't even ask he just did it and so every time I look at that tree I think

00:42:12.820 of Dave and a little more substantial and a little more religiously oriented

00:42:18.780 is this incredible drinking horn some of you will have been lucky enough to see

00:42:24.580 it and I'm yeah let me see it darling oh yeah this baby is doing it to at least

00:42:34.920 two feet two and a half feet long it's intricately painted and it's awesome and we use it only for

00:42:42.840 very special occasions so dave moore was worth the trouble frankly uh on the whole it was uh it was

00:42:50.520 not the the brightest thing i've ever done it was not the best thing i've ever done i mean yeah if

00:42:57.880 you're doing things you're going to make mistakes and that was really one of mine but but it gave

00:43:02.360 us dave more and he is no longer with us he's no longer with anybody on this realm of being because

00:43:08.440 he died from what some of us think might have been a spider bite we're not really sure but uh

00:43:14.920 anyway dave is no longer with us in the flesh but we've got this wonderful horn to remember him by

00:43:21.400 and you know sometimes you just got to experiment you got to try things out and if they don't work

00:43:27.480 you don't do them anymore and the also true community church was one such

00:43:34.120 about what year was that like what what time period are we are we talking about oh standby

00:43:41.160 when was that when was that sheila the years all run together i got so damn many of them

00:43:47.560 she states 98 99 seriously that recently well that's just the other day

00:43:54.600 yeah and the horn that you're talking about is that the one with the leafy motif that you guys

00:44:03.300 have that it looks almost like it's got copper leaf in it roger that that's beautiful that is

00:44:09.440 a beautiful it is it is dave was a good man he was you know people say so and so is a good man

00:44:17.700 or a good person but no really dave was a good man and he kept us laughing and uh we we miss him

00:44:29.780 all right well so speaking of of things that you've done in the way back sarah says

00:44:37.220 uh you once traveled to an all thing in wisconsin hosted by robert taylor and his kindred

00:44:42.500 what are some good memories from that event um there are some good memories um um robert taylor

00:44:53.780 was and is i'm sure still i haven't seen him in a few years but uh a very interesting guy and

00:45:02.040 you know ran with some very intelligent people in particular you know michael moynahan and you know

00:45:09.140 folks folks who go who kind of get involved at that end of the whole

00:45:12.800 situation I think the memories great memories of that one is the fact that it

00:45:21.960 was it was held in such an interesting place there was on Rock Island and there

00:45:28.900 was a virtually a castle there it was held in a very cool area and that was

00:45:34.220 all nice and I remember

00:45:39.140 perhaps best of all was going over to uh to to robert taylor's home and seeing some of the

00:45:46.180 projects that he had worked on um he had built a uh built a a half of it it was not large you know

00:45:55.700 but you could get a you know six or eight or ten people in it but but it had it had in the floor

00:46:03.460 Or, and I don't remember if it was like inlaid wood or stone, it had a black sun.

00:46:12.600 And, you know, that was the first time I had run across that particular symbol, which has become extremely important to me now.

00:46:20.880 And I think that's probably the best memory that I take away from that, is standing in that half.

00:46:30.140 Of course, you know, Robert's an artist, and so everything he does is artistic and detailed and significant and well done and well crafted.

00:46:41.660 And, yeah, it was nice.

00:46:43.580 It was very nice.

00:46:47.220 Random note out there, if any of you guys ever have the opportunity to have a conversation with Robert Taylor.

00:46:55.540 Robert is easily the most fascinating person that I have ever had a conversation with

00:47:03.720 and I've you know I got to meet him at a number of different AFA events he used to come out to our

00:47:09.580 winter nights in in the Poconos for a few years there and I also met him at a midsummer

00:47:17.660 out in California once that was the first time I met him but

00:47:20.880 that man is the most fascinating like his he has lived so many experiences

00:47:29.120 I would love to hear about all of them but not all of them are our life experiences that I would

00:47:35.300 like to live um but I went to his house and he's he's got an amazing house in West Virginia this

00:47:44.000 old Victorian house. And it's just wall to wall with books. And, you know, I was with a friend

00:47:50.600 of mine at the time who was a little bit snarky. And he, you know, as an experiment, he'd start

00:47:54.840 picking out random books and asking, you know, Robert about them. No, he'd read every single

00:48:01.280 one of those books. And each book that he picked out, not only could he remember something

00:48:05.800 interesting about it, but something extremely specific that he read in that book in a specific

00:48:12.420 way an author phrased something. The mind to be able to do that in a house full of these books

00:48:19.440 is crazy. And any subject you want to talk to him about, he has got some kind of in-depth,

00:48:26.180 fascinating story about that is just will blow your mind. And it doesn't matter where you take

00:48:33.100 the conversation, he will boldly go wherever you want that conversation to go and have, you know,

00:48:40.060 amazing lived anecdotes about it like that that man is fascinating if you get a chance to talk to

00:48:46.680 him uh seize that opportunity is all i can say you know i i gotta echo that real hard um he he's

00:48:55.740 told me stories that i you know i i i tell you guys about him but i'm not sure he would really

00:49:01.640 want me to because some of them were uh shall we say edgy um he he's been involved over the years

00:49:10.180 in a whole lot of stuff uh in in a good way in a good way uh exciting stuff stuff that's definitely

00:49:18.680 i think on our our ideological end of the spectrum so to speak um and i swear swear that guy

00:49:27.260 he's never dull he's never dull he's oh gosh yeah yeah no he's a hell of a man

00:49:36.360 yeah he kind of got his health issues now he's he's he's not he's not young like I am

00:49:43.460 um but uh he's awesome yeah it's it's been a few years since I've since I've talked to him

00:49:52.360 But yeah, I hope he's doing well.

00:49:55.980 If any of you guys know him or have any contact,

00:49:58.560 please tell him I said hello.

00:50:02.440 Next question is from Ali.

00:50:04.600 Both gentlemen, you've touched on deaths of despair.

00:50:09.000 What can the women folk do to support our men?

00:50:13.460 Not only our husbands, but our folk brothers.

00:50:16.860 Keeping the folk alive and well is certainly a victory.

00:50:20.680 What are your thoughts on that, Steve?

00:50:22.360 well yeah it's kind of hard to really touch on some of those interior things that

00:50:31.760 that brings brings guys down i think just just remind us that that we're doing something right

00:50:39.260 remind us that we're worthwhile um yeah there's a part of our culture that loves to beat men down

00:50:46.920 Our ladies are not like that, and I'm glad.

00:50:51.780 But, you know, emphasizing that empathy, letting us know that our efforts are appreciated, not demanding us that we be superhuman, although, of course, that is the long-term goal.

00:51:11.600 Just be there for us.

00:51:13.360 Just be there for us.

00:51:15.960 You know, thinking about it, I don't think there's one comprehensive answer because every relationship is different, every man is different, every struggle is different, but overall,

00:51:35.960 Overall, I'm trying to think of the best way to phrase some of these things.

00:51:45.700 Everything Steve said, I mean, have some empathy.

00:51:49.900 And, you know, what I could say is raise the mood.

00:51:54.020 And if women have, and this is, again, in the household for wives, but also, you know, in the hall for other women of our folk, women have a very unique way of controlling social dynamics by the things that they embrace or the things that they don't pay attention to.

00:52:15.940 raise the mood if everything gets somber you know grab somebody and dance with them

00:52:22.960 tell a joke do something pleasant raise the mood when the mood is low liven things up and help fill

00:52:30.400 folks hearts with happiness it's easy to get bogged down and when there's other guys it's easy to

00:52:38.180 um kind of bounce off of one another with negativity if you see that happening keep it

00:52:45.180 happy. Another thing, and I think this is important for our women, and don't be the source

00:52:54.560 of needless drama. That is one thing that women are particularly

00:53:02.060 geared to either do very, very poorly or very, very well. Women create lots of drama. I think

00:53:12.840 we all know that's true. But I think women are the best at

00:53:16.220 defusing drama as well. That's why we talk a lot in the AFA

00:53:20.340 about our women being being frith weavers, women have the

00:53:23.180 ability to go behind the scenes when there's drama between men

00:53:26.440 or between other women, and to repair those things in a way to

00:53:30.300 where nobody has to lose face in a way that literally bonds

00:53:35.580 families together. So look for opportunities to increase the

00:53:40.700 peace. And in our homes, in our halls, in, you know, our inner guard, do what you can to make

00:53:50.940 that a happy place of rest and as little stresses as can be. There's so much stress out there in the

00:53:56.780 world. And it's a stress that men often take on with a disproportionate load, providing them a

00:54:04.480 place to come and get that burden off their shoulders and feel love and joy be that in the

00:54:10.700 home if you're if you're a wife but also just amongst men in the hall just amongst your brothers

00:54:16.200 that means a lot and and I think that would go a long way we have a um donation and a

00:54:25.260 and a comment question from our very loyal uh listener and donor we really appreciate you

00:54:32.460 Lawrence, Lawrence Forbes, with 10 Canadian dollars. Evening, Matt, and great to have you on

00:54:38.220 the stream, founder McNallan. There was some talk about gratitude at the start and some books

00:54:44.300 mentioned. I want to recommend an old 1903 book called As a Man Thinketh by James Allen. Sounds

00:54:54.360 Christian, but no. More about the power of thought and staying positive. That's interesting. My

00:55:02.200 uncle used to always talk about that book i have never read it but i do recall my uncle talking

00:55:06.920 about that book frequently you ever heard of that book steve no no i haven't uh but is it still in

00:55:17.000 print i don't know i suppose we can go on amazon and try to find out but i'm i would bet it might

00:55:26.200 be and i i like books from that era you know 1903 before every the books had to go through

00:55:33.880 you know a vetting process on what you're allowed to say or not you had some really

00:55:38.920 some really good material around the turn of the century there

00:55:43.400 yeah yeah it was a different world then that's for sure yes indeed

00:55:47.160 so we've got a another question here for you okay so nick is ridiculous i'll take this moment to

00:55:58.640 celebrate our producer nick rice he's amazing you can't get so we asked the question about that book

00:56:06.100 we didn't get done with the question we barely got it out of our mouth and nick's able to send

00:56:11.120 me a message saying it's available online plenty he googled it he did his back-end searches nick

00:56:17.140 is amazing like that we appreciate you so much he's the guy on the back end that has facilitated

00:56:22.180 us being able to do this show tonight so thank you so much yes indeed all right so uh

00:56:32.900 europa the last battle.net says first of all hail founder mcnowlin how does your vision of

00:56:39.860 ALSATRU change from 39 years ago to now? What do you see for ALSATRU and our people in the next 10

00:56:48.980 years? Thank you. Wow. Okay. Well, looking backwards first, my concepts, of course,

00:56:59.140 I think it's a good thing. It changed continually. At first, it was absolutely just a personal thing.

00:57:05.300 it was just my personal identification uh and i was you know absolutely alone in in this

00:57:13.140 and uh it was it was just my path i mean i remember so so clearly uh the day that i made

00:57:22.260 up my mind and and and decided this is the path i want to walk even if i'm the only human being

00:57:28.340 ever that that will do it uh it wasn't dependent on anyone else's approval or what anyone else

00:57:36.460 thought i knew this was the way for me and it was a solitary adventure there for a while

00:57:45.040 um and it was very viking centric i was young dumb and full of testosterone uh my life goal

00:57:53.080 at that point in time was to go into the army i wanted to go special forces and i wanted to go

00:57:59.720 stack commies um i'm still as you may have noticed extremely anti-communist um

00:58:08.280 and you know my politics certainly has not it's not mellowed uh since that that point in time

00:58:15.160 But to me, I was very idealistic, very naive.

00:58:19.680 I mean, incredibly naive.

00:58:23.020 But the basic sentiment is still one that I hold.

00:58:26.940 But it dawned on me that, you know, I had this thing that was so much better to me than Christianity was.

00:58:38.380 And so it just made sense to try and promote it in some way.

00:58:43.360 And it was still kind of a Viking thing for years.

00:58:46.820 You know, well, like I say, you know, it's got to start somewhere.

00:58:50.720 It's got to start somewhere.

00:58:52.620 And it's okay to start off in the Viking thing.

00:58:56.200 But if you keep the Viking thing when you've been doing it for 20 years,

00:59:01.780 you're probably needing to look at the more complete picture, so to speak.

00:59:07.560 So that's been the main transformation for me is taking it from an individual passion for my devotion to the one-eyed one and making it into something that was open to more people and which I saw the value of making it into something that was a major spiritual pathway in my life.

00:59:37.560 the modern era. Sheila's telling me about the goddesses. Yes, yes, bringing in the goddesses

00:59:48.200 is always important. There's that tendency to obsess someone on the All-Father and his various

01:00:00.520 manifestations. But, well, yeah, of course, you've got to have that female element there. You've got

01:00:09.800 to have the feminine, the divine feminine, the mundane feminine. You've got to have ordinary

01:00:14.300 people who are women who are interested in this and expressing themselves spiritually on this way

01:00:22.240 as well. And, you know, again, that's something that I probably didn't get right out of the

01:00:29.740 shoot, but it's obvious, it's apparent, it's necessary, and I support it 100%.

01:00:37.200 All right. Okay, next question. Steve, what's your preferred coffee?

01:00:47.360 Sheila's over there making fun of

01:00:57.500 making fun of my

01:00:59.240 Sheila says

01:01:03.680 whatever's on sale

01:01:05.100 but the coffee I would like

01:01:08.100 to support

01:01:08.920 is help me out

01:01:11.960 on the title of this coffee above

01:01:14.020 time

01:01:14.600 that is produced by, I don't know if she and her husband

01:01:21.860 are still AFA members or not, in Indiana.

01:01:29.240 Yeah, anyway.

01:01:32.120 So if I get around to it, I would buy their coffee

01:01:36.780 just to support them because they got badly doxed

01:01:39.440 by locals in their local market.

01:01:43.080 And there were some very, very, very ugly people demonstrating against them and making their lives tough.

01:01:50.440 Yeah, Sarah and her husband were involved in that.

01:01:56.480 And I understand that they are making coffee now.

01:01:59.240 And I think it's called coffee above time, against time.

01:02:04.060 It's called above time coffee.

01:02:06.900 Ah, there it is, above time coffee.

01:02:09.020 And that's also because Nick sent me that message on the side immediately when you asked the question.

01:02:15.260 Outstanding.

01:02:16.220 So it's got sort of a Julius Evola ring to it.

01:02:23.900 Right.

01:02:24.760 Yeah, she's very strong.

01:02:25.800 Very strong gal, though.

01:02:26.960 Very strong.

01:02:27.740 Went through heavy doxing.

01:02:30.200 Never flinched.

01:02:31.780 You know, she's strong.

01:02:32.960 Random side note.

01:02:34.160 But when I needed to figure out how to do this for the first time, when I wanted to do this program, she was one I talked to to help give me some pointers and figure out how to do the live streaming.

01:02:45.800 So it's just a little side point of connectivity there.

01:02:51.340 So Daniel asks, I'll tell you, Gauthier, can you touch on our lineage running through Mr. McNallan and Odin and how that gives the Gauthier the spiritual authority?

01:03:04.160 Sure. Um, this, this that we do also true and it's modern in modern context, all stems from, and you heard it earlier, but seriously, it all stems from a personal interaction between Steve

01:03:32.360 mcnellen and the all-father and it's funny because you know i

01:03:41.960 i go to a lot of sources to look into our history because i think one of my responsibilities as the

01:03:48.440 ulcero go through the afa is to preserve our history not just to the afa but the vows to true

01:03:55.240 in in general and how we came to the place that we're at and our enemies steve's enemies

01:04:02.360 They all acknowledge that Odin worked through Steve McNallan.

01:04:10.140 And they throw it around casually as if that's just, oh, well, yeah, Odin worked with him because he'll work with anybody or whatever.

01:04:16.380 And they brush it off, but the God of Aryan consciousness, the God who alongside his brothers shaped us as a race on that beach so long ago and breathed life into us, chose to work with Steve to accomplish his goals.

01:04:41.560 And that happened, you know, 54 years ago.

01:04:46.380 um Steve carried that torch all the way through and through his relationship with Oven

01:04:56.040 all of this has come about all of this is manifested there was no priesthood

01:05:02.760 since ancient times until Steve started ordaining Gothar and you know some of that happened back in

01:05:12.120 free assembly days. Some of that happened in the days of the folk assembly. But those are the

01:05:18.600 roots of our link with the gods spiritually. Those are the roots of our authority to

01:05:26.120 extend that relationship that Steve forged through 54 years of that gift cycle

01:05:35.500 to bring our gods closer to our folk and to bring our uplift our folk to bring them closer to our

01:05:43.800 gods and that's something very special and it's something that that we are so honored to have

01:05:51.400 that other folks don't have uh our gothar and steven mcnowlin might not be the only path to

01:05:59.880 our gods i would never be so arrogant as to say the only but it's certainly the best

01:06:08.360 it's the path that's been around and born fruit and is a continuous

01:06:14.760 font of victory for all of us and it's something that's been tended like i said for

01:06:21.640 you know over half a century nobody else can say that um it's it's precious and it's

01:06:28.600 special and it's something that that we hold and it's something that with responsibility we pass

01:06:34.520 on down the line and that that is the highest spiritual authority that that exists in this day

01:06:40.840 and age on midgard i don't speak for the gods they can they can flip that script and change that if

01:06:47.320 they want but there's no evidence that they have but there's a lot of evidence that they're very

01:06:52.920 satisfied with what we're doing with that authority so uh yeah that's that's my thoughts on that

01:07:01.560 you know i would pretty much agree with that man i think that uh uh you know it's not like we're

01:07:07.800 the only players it's not like we're the only people who've done this i mean we've got you

01:07:11.560 know i have on list and many others you know up and down history of the 20th century or you know

01:07:19.880 You know, people have certainly proved their worth, proved themselves, but I feel that we are the current, don't know how to put it, lead standard bearers, I'll say, of this spiritual wave.

01:07:39.240 And it's happening because our folk utterly, utterly, utterly need it at this point.

01:07:47.620 But we are facing an age that can see the victory or the total defeat of our folk.

01:08:03.000 These are tumultuous times, and I think they will probably get much more tumultuous.

01:08:08.900 And it's up to us to carry the banner, hold the banner high, and to forge forward to victory.

01:08:16.140 And I think we can do that. It'll be us and it'll be the people that we influence, directly or indirectly, other people that are a part of this wave. And I'm not saying that we are the only ones, but this wave of the resurgence.

01:08:31.420 this is this is what her young predicted in 1947 in his essay water he pointed

01:08:43.360 out that in the 30s and 40s we saw war tons his his fury his his furious aspect

01:08:53.560 and he predicted that when it came again it would be the wisdom aspect that was

01:09:00.040 the focus and I think that we are doing that now and and that that's kind of my

01:09:09.100 my my view of the mission and it is extremely important mission and we are

01:09:19.420 here to help facilitate that so I want to put this out there too

01:09:26.920 Are we the only ones in the history of modern AUSA true? No. It's one of the reasons that I care so much about our history. But if we watch how things developed, we are the ones that have stayed true. We are the ones that have stood the test of time and continued to hold the banner high.

01:09:47.600 We have absorbed numerous others that fell by the wayside, or their group didn't work out, or various elements fell apart. We have picked up and preserved what was good and what was noble, and tried to carry that proud lineage forward.

01:10:04.480 Steve mentioned Meister Von List. Well, we celebrate him. He's one of our heroes.

01:10:12.000 If he were alive today, I hope that he would be on our team. Same with Alexander Rudd Mills or

01:10:19.620 Elsie Christensen. We've recently added some more heroes to our list, but their organizations and

01:10:26.420 things that they were part of, all of those that were legitimate to our gods and to our purpose,

01:10:34.480 those have either joined us or they've kind of fallen away um we're carrying that standard and

01:10:42.120 the thing is and the truth is we are so much more effective when we are together

01:10:47.740 and because we are the standard bearers and we are the ones that have held this together and

01:10:53.380 we're the ones that are are succeeding so tremendously we all do a much better job when

01:11:00.100 reunited under the trihorns i know everybody doesn't necessarily like to hear it but i believe

01:11:05.540 with all my soul that's the truth or i wouldn't be doing what i'm doing certainly not the way i'm

01:11:09.220 doing it but you know we need maximum maximum participation and all of us are so much stronger

01:11:18.500 when we stand together uh we got another question uh hi steve is the voton network still around

01:11:26.260 Yes, it is. In fact, the website, we had some major issues with that, and that's been completely reworked. It is sort of tentatively back online. You can find it, you know, WOTAN Network.

01:11:45.660 um the uh the spear the book that i mentioned previously is is actually a part of that that

01:11:56.760 that that operation that that program so to speak um yeah and so what time that work is around

01:12:08.160 it's it's it's say again Sheila yeah people are still doing Wotan on the

01:12:15.960 Peaks and things of that sort and it's it's a pattern for activism that that

01:12:27.960 will be we'll be putting out with the sphere things that people can do in

01:12:32.320 their everyday lives to to stand with Wotan to stand with our people and to

01:12:37.660 stand with our high destiny. So, we just got a very generous donation from someone named 603.

01:12:50.800 I don't know if that's an area code or just what that is, but what I do know is I put out at the

01:12:56.080 top of the show, if every member of the AFA gave $102 right now, we would have Mjortof paid off.

01:13:02.140 guess what whoever 603 is just gave us 102 said no question just pulling my weight to pay off the

01:13:09.020 half hail the afa well whoever you are thank you so much we really appreciate that that means a lot

01:13:15.220 thank you six plus three makes nine um so from sam steven what does daily worship look like

01:13:28.440 Coming from a childhood that was strongly Christian and finding out as an adult, now raising children in it, we want our kids to see it daily.

01:13:38.500 So what do you think daily practice looks like, Steve?

01:13:44.960 Sheila's giving me some input over here.

01:13:47.640 Meal blessings is one thing that we incorporate into our lives.

01:13:51.840 And what else were you saying, Sheila?

01:13:54.300 Well, the meal blessings.

01:13:56.060 Oh, yeah.

01:13:56.980 Oh, yeah.

01:13:57.580 And many of you who have been at events may have seen Sheila and I do the greeting to the day.

01:14:05.360 We do the hail to the day, hail to the sun to the day, hail to the night and its daughter.

01:14:09.940 You know, those verses.

01:14:13.580 And we get our little hugs that we do afterwards.

01:14:18.260 And I think those are highly significant.

01:14:21.820 I described earlier, you know, the homemade ritual that I came up with, with me and the coffee and the one-eyed one.

01:14:31.780 Ultimately, you know, people can devise their own little daily rituals and, you know, goodnight rituals.

01:14:40.060 There's endless, endless possibilities for creation and perception.

01:14:47.620 We got our home altar, you know, all of these things.

01:14:51.820 yeah

01:14:55.180 yeah is that am i answering the question was that did i hear the question right was that

01:15:04.800 that's a that's up to you yes you're absolutely addressing the guy's question um it's whatever

01:15:11.080 you want to want to offer as far as daily stuff i think something that he did mention though was

01:15:15.920 wanting uh wanting his kids to be involved is there anything that you can think that you guys

01:15:20.800 do that would lend itself well to to children being involved well meal blessings meal blessings

01:15:29.760 would be would be right out of the chute on that uh meal blessings in addition to you know things

01:15:35.840 in the morning um yeah an evening evening ritual will be fine as you you're expecting when you're

01:15:42.160 when you're putting putting your child's bed uh something that's specific there you could write a

01:15:47.680 your own little prayer uh yeah yeah what do you think i'm gonna throw something in i think

01:15:56.320 i think the idea of you know your own little nightly prayers i think that's beautiful and i

01:16:02.160 think that i've seen like the meal blessing that's a that's a thing so many parents have told me

01:16:08.160 that um their children are involved in that and will run the meal blessing uh i know i know the

01:16:14.080 erickson's uh their son owen does that he does a great job with that um that's certainly a really

01:16:21.200 good thing another thing i just wanted to make a note of i know you asked about in-house stuff

01:16:26.400 the more you can involve your children with events and getting them out there to where they

01:16:30.560 see other families and other people worshiping our gods and where they get used to it one of the

01:16:36.800 one of the neatest things is to watch the kids at ritual and sometimes they know what they're

01:16:46.780 saying sometimes they don't when they're real little they just pick up on the vibe they know

01:16:51.320 when people are hailing somebody and so they'll repeat what the adults do at the right time and

01:16:56.140 they'll pick up that that's the thing to do and as they grow you can watch these same kids

01:17:00.880 when they get an opportunity you know they'll they'll do something very intentional or uh kids

01:17:06.700 at sumble i know sumble is often very late but if the kids are up kids giving meaningful sample

01:17:13.540 toasts has always been something really really special that i've that i've seen and some of the

01:17:19.580 most touching um moments at sumble have been when some kids gave some very very appropriate very

01:17:26.480 well thought out uh toast specifically when they raise a horn to uh you know a member of their

01:17:32.000 family that's passed so i would encourage getting them involved with a group as as best you can

01:17:40.720 uh katla asks what do you both think are the essential attributes or skills

01:17:46.800 for people to be gothy steve what are your thoughts on that

01:17:50.560 two things come up in my head just bang bang first of all a person needs to have enough

01:18:02.080 background in in the religion itself and just enough life experience I think life experience

01:18:09.760 is an important thing somebody who's been through the ringer been through the problems

01:18:12.940 had the issues fixed the issues somebody who's had to deal with the nitty-gritty of life I think that

01:18:20.140 That is a huge thing and a sense of empathy to help others to overcome the things that we have overcome in our own lives.

01:18:30.680 I think that and just a continual dedication to the holy powers and an awareness of the role of the holy powers in our lives,

01:18:44.740 how how they they affect us the the hurdles they help us to get over uh the challenges they throw

01:18:52.660 our way which is just as important uh which this is how we grow those those the kind of things that

01:19:00.520 that that come to my my mind right away it's a really it's a really interesting question that you

01:19:09.400 ask. And I'm one of those people that when you ask a question, like he asked me, what's my

01:19:19.500 favorite breakfast cereal? I would spend an hour here trying to, you know, debate the finer points

01:19:25.620 of, you know, well, is this really my favorite over this other one? Because they're kind of

01:19:29.680 close. And I overthink questions. But I think the most, the most essential thing is devotion and

01:19:39.100 giving a damn um

01:19:43.360 there is different level of skills and efficacy that need to go in for someone to be a vidki

01:19:53.260 or for someone to be a spalcona or you know to to be magical that's its own skill set that

01:20:06.100 is often very hard to define, but I think is a thing. And it can certainly enhance

01:20:12.120 being a Gothia or a Githia very much. But fundamentally, if you genuinely love our gods

01:20:22.940 and you are pious and devoted to them, that goes a long way and is the most important

01:20:31.080 part of it. And if you genuinely love and care for our folk, and you carve time out of your life

01:20:39.660 and time out of things where you could be doing anything else in the world, but you're dropping

01:20:44.380 everything to answer the call from somebody who's in distress and needs counseling. If you care

01:20:51.100 enough to do those things with your whole heart and your whole self, then I think the rest comes

01:20:57.320 to you. I think that you build a gravity, and I think that I know that both our gods and our folk

01:21:05.500 are forgiving on competency if your heart is 100% in it. If you are doing the very best you can to

01:21:16.120 the best of your abilities, and you're willing to lay it all on the altar for our gods and folk,

01:21:20.660 that i think is the most essential on top of that um as far as skills the ability to talk to people

01:21:29.740 and to counsel them is huge uh when people join the afa they very often or get involved with

01:21:39.820 house true in general one of their first things is man how do i become a gothi and that's beautiful

01:21:45.300 and the ambition is amazing, and I love it, but one of the things people, you know, people think

01:21:52.620 it's much easier, more accessible than it is. A lot of people think being a gothi is, you know,

01:21:58.400 officiating ritual, which certainly it is, but they don't see that the vast majority of being a

01:22:05.240 gothi is trying to lead people, is trying to help to tend to broken people, people that are broken

01:22:14.060 mentally, physically, spiritually, financially, is being someone who can counsel and help people

01:22:23.540 work through some of the very worst times of their lives. We can tell you all day long that that's

01:22:31.220 something you're going to get into. Say you, anyone who wants to become a Goethe, any of our students

01:22:36.440 or people who want to do it, we can talk about it. But until you're on the other end of a

01:22:43.300 heartbreaking phone call to where you're looked to to somehow help make it better

01:22:48.140 people don't really feel the weight of that um so i think having your heart 100 percent

01:22:57.600 in it and that showing through both to our gods and to the people that you are ministering to

01:23:03.700 i think that's the most essential aspect of being a go-fi in my view

01:23:09.280 Ali Steve can you please make a list of required reading for us fantasy fans so much of the modern

01:23:19.360 stuff is political in the worst ways well let's see fantasy well fantasy and science fiction you

01:23:29.440 know it's sort of related genres there I would say in the terms of in terms of fantasy uh Robert E

01:23:37.900 Howard, the one who gave us Conan and a variety of other heroes, you know, built in more or

01:23:50.620 less the same mold. Fellow Texan, I've had the honor of seeing his childhood home, which

01:24:03.840 in fact was only about 50 miles from where i was born in texas and i have had the the honor of

01:24:12.400 actually handling original manuscripts by robert e howard had to put on gloves to do it and all of

01:24:19.840 that good stuff and anybody who is a howard fan you know so that includes you know the conan books

01:24:27.440 and similars. If you're ever in Cross Plains, Texas, you can go on by there. You can go through

01:24:36.760 his home and so forth and so forth. I remember exactly where I was when I read my first page

01:24:45.700 of a Robert E. Howard book. I was walking down the street. I was probably about, I don't know,

01:24:53.140 maybe something like 14 years old, I guess.

01:24:56.320 I was walking down a dirt street in Breckenridge, Texas,

01:25:00.160 having just purchased a secondhand copy of Conan the Conqueror.

01:25:06.700 And it's got this opening scene where the evil magician is placing this huge jewel,

01:25:15.900 the heart of Aramon, into the mummy in this crypt.

01:25:22.240 And even though there is no wind, the curtains against the wall are moving as though there was a wind.

01:25:31.920 In the distance, a dog howls.

01:25:34.460 And, you know, it's this sort of stuff.

01:25:35.940 And I was young and impressionable, and I wanted to be a hero.

01:25:43.080 I wanted to do great stuff.

01:25:44.820 So all the Robert E. Howard books were absolutely, bam, spot on for me.

01:25:50.200 oh yeah and sheila reminds me uh yes i went to robert e howard's grave uh in brownsville texas

01:26:01.000 and i have a photograph of me pouring a libation on his uh on on his grave um on the more sci-fi

01:26:11.720 end of things uh i don't know the new material well you know hindline hindline is a guy with

01:26:20.200 our kind of values starship crooper is uh is is one that discusses duty and and courage and

01:26:29.680 and leadership uh absolutely spot on for our general velton shaun um

01:26:36.660 and just you know Heinlein in general uh the Robert E correction the the Heinlein

01:26:46.260 the Heinlein hero that uh is my favorite is oh come on damn it I can't believe I'm

01:26:57.000 I can't think of his name now.

01:27:01.840 All of the books are about him.

01:27:04.020 Look behind me.

01:27:06.460 I can't see that far, Sheila.

01:27:08.540 Oh, ouch, ouch.

01:27:13.320 Yeah, the one in...

01:27:17.460 Oh, hell.

01:27:19.100 I don't know.

01:27:19.680 I can't reach it from here.

01:27:22.600 So I'll have to pass on that.

01:27:27.000 Uh, Sheila says anybody interested in, in Robert E. Howard should see the movie, the whole wide world, which is a, a biographical bit about him.

01:27:43.520 Um, I'm having a brain fart here.

01:27:49.360 I'm going to get up out of my chair here.

01:27:54.060 I'm going to go over.

01:27:55.740 Oh, let's see.

01:27:57.000 I see. There's that. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Robert Heinlein. Time Enough for Love. Lives of Lazarus Long. That's it, guys. Any of the Lazarus Long material is is really, really good. Highly recommend. That's about it.

01:28:20.780 guys out there that are going to read robert e howard stuff don't stop at the conan stuff

01:28:31.180 conan is certainly his most well-known thing but he's got so many really really cool stories

01:28:38.540 that he wrote a lot of them you know were kind of starts at the character he wanted to develop and

01:28:44.300 you know never really got the chance or never took it very far but some of those stories are

01:28:48.380 really amazing and i love the conan stuff but i really like a lot of his things the only thing i

01:28:53.420 can't get into is he wrote like this kind of a comical like a comical cowboy series that wasn't

01:28:59.180 really to my liking but um most of the stuff's just amazing yeah robert howard's not a comical

01:29:06.700 kind of guy you know nah yeah i agree with you i agree um so next all right okay so lawrence i did

01:29:16.700 not mean to skip you on this last one technically you should have gone before the last question i

01:29:20.620 appreciate your continued donation of 10 more canadian dollars question for both of you i've

01:29:26.620 been studying oaths and spiritual attachments lately i've come to believe that my anglican

01:29:32.140 baptism as an infant uh and about to and a baptist one in my 30s are attachments i no longer want

01:29:42.220 are you aware of any rituals for renouncing those and or breaking their potential uh curses

01:29:50.780 steve i know you've got some insight into this what are your thoughts

01:29:55.500 well you know as as a recovering catholic uh you know i can certainly sometimes with questions

01:30:01.820 just like that um and i i think that any anything that you could write up personally

01:30:11.040 with the ideal i don't think it's complicated i don't think it's particularly difficult really

01:30:16.900 i don't think there's any any format for that your intention is the important thing

01:30:23.000 um declare yourself for for our gods and for our goddesses and um

01:30:31.820 And just put behind you, by whatever language you want to use, the ways of the Christian God.

01:30:40.740 And that needn't be an angry thing.

01:30:43.140 It needn't be a bitter thing.

01:30:49.380 You know, I certainly don't have anything against Christians, per se.

01:30:55.400 When I was a kid, everybody I knew and loved was a Christian.

01:31:00.460 So I don't have that bitterness thing, but I do reject it.

01:31:06.720 It was not my way.

01:31:11.600 Sheila reminds me, got my own input coming in here.

01:31:17.300 It's handwritten.

01:31:18.160 It didn't come in an email.

01:31:19.340 Well, Sheila reminds me that out at Odenshof some while back, we had a scholar who is pretty much where we are at and who definitely is a follower of the old gods, Scott Shell.

01:31:39.940 um scott led us in a reversal of the the the the baptismal oath that was imposed upon

01:31:53.460 our people by charlemagne um and and you know in it in the the charlemagne edition it's you know

01:32:04.380 I reject, you know, Woden and all his works and blah, blah, blah, and so forth.

01:32:10.040 Well, this is sort of the equivalent, only it's going the other way.

01:32:13.940 And it's a way of rejecting or, you know, opting out of, you know, your baptismal oath.

01:32:24.540 And that can be a good thing.

01:32:27.600 It was so dramatic.

01:32:29.160 You know, we had everybody in Odenshof at that time was right up there against the podium, and they were all repeating after him in Saxon.

01:32:43.540 This is in Saxon, because that's kind of what Scott does.

01:32:46.940 He's got a YouTube channel, by the way, that's really interesting.

01:32:52.780 And it's powerful.

01:32:56.820 It's very powerful.

01:32:57.580 It's modeled on the Christian version going the one way, but it is our way, our intention, just a reversal of the Christian oath.

01:33:09.460 So, highly recommended.

01:33:13.460 You know, I think that this is something that a lot of us have struggled with or thought about.

01:33:23.220 And oaths are so very, very important in our faith.

01:33:28.180 And many of us have taken baptismal oaths and have been baptized.

01:33:37.660 And, I mean, do you break your oath, which we all know is a terrible thing to do, and live authentically and serve our gods?

01:33:48.520 Or do you keep to an oath you made, you know, perhaps in your youth for the rest of your life that you no longer believe in and that you know is wrong?

01:33:58.500 And that's a difficult, it's a difficult thing mentally.

01:34:04.840 Sometimes you got to take the hit.

01:34:09.080 But I have presided over, I've had to do that myself.

01:34:12.340 I was baptized as a Jehovah's Witness at 18.

01:34:16.420 and uh you know i've done my own ritual to renounce and reject that and i've been at uh

01:34:26.760 been at a few others there's one that sticks out to me where a young man um renounced his his

01:34:32.980 baptism and did a profession of faith to ask the truth and people have asked if there there's a

01:34:39.360 necessity to do a profession of faith to ask the truth and fundamentally i don't think there is

01:34:44.600 because it's inherent in who we are but if you've already gone and taken a baptismal of for

01:34:51.960 something else well yeah i think there's tremendous value in ceremonially severing that i am starting

01:34:58.600 fresh even if there's consequence to it you mentioned you know getting out of those curses

01:35:03.680 and some of that i don't think you get out of i think that you you know you made a bad choice and

01:35:08.380 and you may have to take a hit for it but i don't think that's eternal damnation i think

01:35:13.220 that you can repair your reputation by outweighing that with tremendous good deeds.

01:35:20.820 That's one of the things.

01:35:21.900 Once things have happened, we, as Ausatruer, we can't erase things.

01:35:29.940 The slate doesn't get wiped clean.

01:35:32.160 That slate keeps a tally of stuff, but you can absolutely water it down

01:35:36.320 and outweigh it by the great things you do.

01:35:39.420 We're the culmination of all the decisions we make.

01:35:41.860 yeah absolutely the bad ones but also the good ones also the amazing ones and um it's worth it's

01:35:50.720 worth facing that and uh taking the hit and moving forward uh but yeah i've been part of a number of

01:35:57.060 rituals that way and i think that uh yeah if you have any more specific questions reach out on the

01:36:02.640 side and you know i'd be happy to help you with that if that's something that you're that you're

01:36:05.660 curious about or interested in. We have another $5 donation from Jackie Valkyrie. Thank you so

01:36:12.500 much, Jackie. We appreciate you. No questions. Sorry, I'm tired. I just want to give a little

01:36:17.420 gratitude and say thank you to Matt, Elder McNallan, Sheila, and everyone here. Well,

01:36:22.580 we appreciate you and are so glad that you wanted to listen to us tonight.

01:36:27.340 Absolutely. Next question. Oh, go ahead. Yeah, just a comment on the baptism thing.

01:36:34.440 I mean, many of us were baptized as infants.

01:36:38.960 We had no say in the matter.

01:36:40.460 Nobody asked us.

01:36:42.540 So, yeah, in a way, I think it's easier to get out of that, you know, because we at no point really gave our information.

01:36:56.360 Absolutely.

01:36:57.620 Infant baptism.

01:36:58.720 And that's one thing that I will say that I respect about Jehovah's Witnesses.

01:37:02.500 That was a point that they made.

01:37:04.240 they don't believe in infant baptism because an infant doesn't have the ability to make an

01:37:08.480 informed decision and choose to enter into that kind of an agreement and i respect that stance

01:37:15.360 yeah me too you know another uh wow all right so jace cameron um our most recent uh apprentice

01:37:26.720 our newest apprentice folk builder out of georgia decided to step up and do his part with a hundred

01:37:32.560 and two dollar donation says doing our part hi uh my new top folk love y'all elder mcnalen i found

01:37:41.200 your introduction on being grateful to be inspiring would you be kind enough to expound

01:37:47.680 on your marriage and how you stay the best to each other

01:37:52.640 well i with us it was it was a long trip getting to where we were getting where we're at you know

01:38:07.060 we we both came out of other marriages um you know we've you know we're not we're not 18 year

01:38:14.040 olds some days i feel like 118 um and i think that that kind of maturity and that kind of

01:38:22.180 decisiveness is it's something that kind of comes with that um we're old enough to know what we want

01:38:28.680 and to insist on having it and uh it's it's probably very different from when you're you know

01:38:38.420 20 years old um this this life experience you know what your life is shaped like

01:38:46.000 you like the shape of your life

01:38:48.240 and

01:38:49.940 you like your wife

01:38:51.400 and over there is my cat

01:38:53.500 actually

01:38:56.300 Sheila's cat but that's okay

01:38:57.860 whatever

01:38:58.280 it just all fits in

01:39:02.220 I don't know it's kind of hard to explain

01:39:04.200 it's you know

01:39:05.620 we're at that point in our lives

01:39:08.080 where we're

01:39:09.260 yeah

01:39:11.160 kind of heading on the home stretch

01:39:14.360 in a way

01:39:14.860 I mean, you know, I probably won't live to 150.

01:39:21.280 So I'm most of the way there.

01:39:24.720 And on we go with our lives.

01:39:29.240 And she was telling me about resets.

01:39:32.700 Say that again, darling.

01:39:33.920 She says it's okay to do a reset.

01:39:40.760 Yeah, she talks about resets.

01:39:43.160 having a reset

01:39:45.400 can't even be good

01:39:46.400 sort of re-declare everything

01:39:49.500 and become conscious of everything

01:39:51.080 we don't take each other for granted

01:39:53.560 it's just

01:39:54.780 we're doing that

01:39:58.100 and by the way

01:40:03.260 Sheila reminds me that daily ritual

01:40:05.800 that we do, the greeting to the sun

01:40:08.200 the greeting to the day

01:40:09.860 is something that we really make

01:40:12.340 point of

01:40:13.160 You know, we put our hands together and we galder, you know, Gable and Aguas and just reaffirm who we are and who we want to be with each other.

01:40:33.160 all right well next question uh founder mcnalen do you feel that we are getting closer to ragnarok

01:40:44.400 or we actually witnessing the rebirth of our faith and renewal of white consciousness

01:40:50.600 do you believe ragnarok is cyclical thank you well i i don't feel that we are on the edge of

01:41:03.160 for lack of a better term, the Ragnarok.

01:41:05.460 I mean, this is something that's kind of unique in the material.

01:41:16.240 I do feel that we are coming to a crisis point in so many ways, so many ways.

01:41:27.420 One is, of course, the racial situation that we're in where a considerable portion of the population says, in fact, no, it's not okay to be white.

01:41:44.040 There are, as we all know, many forces arrayed against us.

01:41:51.000 There are other existential threats to everything that is dear to us.

01:41:56.500 The good old folks at the World Economic Forum, you know, we're all familiar with that kind of stuff and that's going on.

01:42:03.520 The challenges that we face from AI, there's a lot of stuff going on that are really pushing us in a really definite way.

01:42:18.660 And we may see some acute shakeout on that.

01:42:24.080 that's one of the reasons i'm riding the spear

01:42:28.320 um i wouldn't call it ragnarok but i would call it a major challenges to our existence as a people

01:42:37.340 uh to our freedom to our autonomy to basically everything that we hold dear i mean but you know

01:42:47.280 there's always a threat to that there's always a threat to that but i feel that at this particular

01:42:53.080 point in time it is becoming more acute now you know that's just my perception you know nobody

01:43:01.020 nobody made me a historian but my thought is that yeah hard times are probably coming that's why we

01:43:08.980 need each other that's why we need to stick tight we need to hang in there really really good and

01:43:15.380 close especially with our afa brothers and sisters and we need to support everything that deals with

01:43:24.200 our folk 100 percent um and i don't know i guess that's not what i had to say about that you know

01:43:32.540 it's yeah yeah hard times i think are probably coming but then of course i've thought that for

01:43:38.900 a long time so maybe this is just steve talking but um we uh we need to we need to be aware of

01:43:52.300 of the threats that face us not necessarily ragnarok and i think of that as being almost

01:43:57.400 like a cosmic event into the world kind of deal but we are certainly certainly at a shall we say

01:44:03.940 interesting, quotation marks, point of a cycle.

01:44:10.800 All right, Cody would like to know, philosophically, who were your biggest influences?

01:44:18.800 Biggest influences? Well, actually, some of the science fiction writers that I've mentioned

01:44:24.720 were big influencers. You know, Heinlein certainly espouses a particular kind of philosophy.

01:44:31.600 um his glory road appeals to me greatly at the age of 14 um because it has this this heroic

01:44:39.520 individual um who uh who meets the empress of the 20 universes and goes on uh amazing uh uh quests

01:44:49.640 um and uh uh the the later material of of uh of Heinlein uh with his Lazarus long character

01:45:00.640 certainly it's something else that appeals to me vastly, but I don't know it's

01:45:10.400 that's kind of oh well yeah Jung was an important influence on me

01:45:23.400 Nietzsche would be probably one of my favorite philosophers

01:45:30.640 What does not kill me makes me stronger.

01:45:32.520 I love saying it in German because it sounds so cool.

01:45:39.160 Was mich nicht umbringt macht mich stärker.

01:45:47.520 World leaders?

01:45:48.480 Yeah, I don't know.

01:45:49.400 That's pretty much, I don't have a long list of heroes,

01:45:52.240 but most of them were science fiction writers

01:45:55.360 are the iconoclastic and politically incorrect philosophers.

01:46:00.640 Okay. Buck asks, Stephen, have you had any supernatural events in which you feel the ancestors or gods showed their selves to you?

01:46:12.460 oh yeah

01:46:14.120 yeah

01:46:17.120 one thing that comes

01:46:22.720 immediately to mind

01:46:23.560 was a

01:46:25.180 a series of room

01:46:30.640 readings I did

01:46:31.560 at one time when

01:46:33.960 my life was kind of

01:46:36.260 shaky and my butt was

01:46:38.460 hanging in the air so to speak

01:46:39.880 I had a set of 24 runes, took a reading three days in a row, got the same one every time.

01:46:57.340 I did all of the normal procedures to be sure that I wasn't biasing it in any way.

01:47:07.180 I carefully randomized them.

01:47:09.080 They were inside the bag. They were all identical in terms of tactile sensations and so forth.

01:47:17.560 And it may not sound very phenomenal to get the same one three times, three draws in a row.

01:47:25.680 But, you know, 24 times 24 times 24 kind of gets up there.

01:47:32.100 And the chance, I calked it all out, and it was like one chance at like 7 million or something like that.

01:47:40.480 And the interesting thing was that it was, what I drew every time was parathrow, which, according to some folks who are up on their rims, would say that, well, you know, you're just not supposed to know the answer.

01:47:54.640 So, I think that that is a direct intervention, perhaps not personally, shall we say, of the gods and goddesses, but certainly of the runes and the runic system.

01:48:11.640 uh i believe that someone intervened for me in africa i was a young guy traveling around

01:48:23.160 i was on my way to try to get to rhodesia um i had gone overland through the uh the central route

01:48:34.020 down through the Sahara and had worked my way down to Agadez in Niger and I took

01:48:48.120 a flight from Agadez into Cotonou and unbeknownst to me Cotonou they changed

01:48:58.920 hands in the country and it was now a people's republic

01:49:02.520 with all of that advice and then it dawned on me because i was i

01:49:07.640 was young a young traveler and and yeah i will look things sometimes

01:49:12.680 just didn't click with i realized that i didn't have a

01:49:17.880 a a visa for the for the country i was flying into

01:49:24.040 And I thought, well, that's not a good thing, especially when I reflected that just a few

01:49:33.200 weeks previously, a young man had been pulled off an airplane and executed on the runway

01:49:39.800 for having stopped that for the military.

01:49:42.240 And I was on my way to Rhodesia, so that probably was kind of an overlap situation going on.

01:49:49.720 long so i i thought well i'll just i'll take it so i get i get the firm for this country i don't

01:49:58.280 have any visa for and i'm getting off the plane there's a long line of people and there's a guy

01:50:04.120 up front with an ak over his shoulder he's very carefully checking everybody's passport now if he

01:50:11.640 searches me you will find that south african passport in a little bag around my neck so i'm

01:50:19.000 thinking well i'll be a hippie i'm burned out dude dude dude i thought this was marrakesh

01:50:28.920 so he's getting closer and closer and closer and takes the passport from the guy in front looks at

01:50:39.240 and then he looks through me he looks through me no icon and

01:50:49.000 now i can't prove that was divine intervention but i think it was it wasn't like

01:50:59.560 and i beat beat for the uh for the far border so i sit on the way in

01:51:05.740 He looks up with me with one of these ebony and ivory grins, and says you do not have a passport for our country.

01:51:28.740 He would just shrug my shoulders and look burned out.

01:51:32.160 He'd have a big grin on his face.

01:51:34.960 He can't do that.

01:51:36.200 I think he fell over the floor.

01:51:40.260 So I think that the gods have at times directly and literally intervened in my life.

01:51:46.680 I do not have a rational explanation for that particular.

01:51:51.860 there's uh another another thing happens to me actually many years back in germany

01:52:00.740 and

01:52:03.780 and i was up in lubeck which is an old viking

01:52:08.900 and some of us went into

01:52:12.180 I found, you know, it was crowded, there must have been 50,000 items in that place, I swear.

01:52:28.180 But there was one table with a few books on it and an armory.

01:52:36.180 And I thought, well, this is a struggle for me, but I don't need an article.

01:52:46.180 I let it down for a few weeks.

01:52:49.180 All the stuff doing is here.

01:52:51.180 I walked away a few minutes later, come back, and I took it back again.

01:52:57.180 Now, I don't need this.

01:53:00.180 I put it back on the table.

01:53:02.180 I walked away.

01:53:06.180 For the third time, he picked it up.

01:53:11.160 Now, he picked it up, and I listened to the whole shopkeeper about three feet away, watching.

01:53:18.780 And I said, and sure, he can see better.

01:53:20.640 But it's not.

01:53:22.600 And his eyes got big.

01:53:24.360 And he said to me three times, three times, he said, you must have it.

01:53:30.960 You must have it.

01:53:33.540 You must have it.

01:53:36.180 now what is remarkable about that is that that is a formula basically out of fairy tales um

01:53:48.180 you know uh old country stories you know sort of the folk mythology that's a pattern

01:53:54.420 it's a pattern there is this precious gift it is repeated twice and accepted the third time

01:54:01.300 and he was a little

01:54:11.460 I actually kind of collapsed this story down

01:54:17.600 because there's other stuff

01:54:19.160 hanging around on the sidewalk

01:54:21.580 and not going around

01:54:22.840 and as he's got this

01:54:28.800 he's taking up to wrap it up

01:54:31.300 And he keeps saying, Deutsche, strong, Deutsche, strong.

01:54:37.840 He said it every time.

01:54:40.200 Well, I get back to the house with it.

01:54:42.120 You know, I'm home.

01:54:43.660 And I've got it up on the mantel where I keep precious things.

01:54:48.620 And actually, Michael Moynihan was over.

01:54:51.920 He and his lady were doing a concert right up the road,

01:54:57.600 and so Michael and I are sitting out when it's late at night you know you might have been having

01:55:12.720 and uh and i described this to michael and i showed it to him but here's this rate

01:55:24.080 oh oh oh yeah she looks he reminds me the cost of i'll tell you that in a month

01:55:32.880 and michael takes it looks at the speed you know if you think this is like in that

01:55:36.800 our bracelet or something like that it's not because it is basically a

01:55:43.920 Kelco Viking design and the next day he showed me his the only difference

01:55:51.140 between our bracelets was that his has you know like wolf heads on the you know

01:55:57.200 for the heads come to have a bracelet cleaner but other than that they were

01:56:03.140 and it's the price that i had to pay for it it was i think it was i think it was one euro

01:56:15.300 one euro this is nothing and i personally feel

01:56:26.740 that my receiving that particular armory

01:56:33.140 was divine intervention, call it a cure.

01:56:39.140 The odds of that being done in a formulating way,

01:56:45.140 the fact that we've been hitting all sorts of historical sites in the area there,

01:56:51.140 you know, the monument to the site,

01:57:01.140 It was significant.

01:57:02.140 It was significant.

01:57:03.140 It was significant.

01:57:06.140 I feel that it was direct intervention from beyond.

01:57:13.140 And I still have it.

01:57:15.140 It's sitting about eight feet from the right.

01:57:24.140 All right.

01:57:25.140 another $25 donation. Appreciate that. Hail Matt, Elder McDowell. Can you explain the difference

01:57:37.080 between Christianity with its salvation slash redemption emphasis and ousterture? As I

01:57:44.540 understand it, Christianity will accept anyone, no matter what they've done, if they supposedly

01:57:50.700 repent and change and get saved but forgive my ignorance it seems there are limits in also true

01:57:58.480 what do you have to say about that steve well and i i agree that you know

01:58:06.360 that's a good description of the difference between the christian approach and the also true

01:58:13.580 approach um and uh and i i like it i like that difference i think we we should earn you know

01:58:24.060 what we get and we shouldn't be depending upon the mercy of some some divine being uh to to

01:58:32.220 to reward us reward us from being good boys and good girls um i think our our deities demand more

01:58:40.460 people i like it like that i would not want it any other way um i'm i'm

01:58:51.020 i'm not sure exactly what else i can say about that

01:58:54.460 yes the observation is absolutely correct that works for me

01:59:02.940 yeah um

01:59:03.660 and I think it's fundamental to our concept of justice

01:59:14.460 um in Christianity

01:59:18.480 the only person that matters is God and so anything you do that's sinful or bad

01:59:30.240 isn't considered in its effect on other people it's only sinful and bad because it transgresses

01:59:39.860 against the rules that their god has laid down so the only one you have to make it right with

01:59:46.000 is is their god and you do that by you know your your degree of submission or uh accepting of

01:59:54.440 of salvation or repenting or whatever that process is but in also true

02:00:02.520 like you should square yourself with the gods because you want to build your reputation

02:00:07.960 and you want them to think highly of you and not to think you're a scumbag

02:00:12.920 but all of our concept of justice is rebalancing the scales and fixing what you broke

02:00:21.080 if you do something that's quote unquote sinful and also true it's a transgression against a

02:00:28.560 person or a group of people most often and it's incumbent upon you if you want forgiveness for

02:00:34.520 that or you want to re you know rebalance those scales for you to do the best that you can to fix

02:00:40.680 what you broke and if you can't fix what you broke to do something equivalent to try to balance that

02:00:48.400 that's why vengeance culture was such a big thing for our ancestors and

02:00:56.040 it evolved into um weirgild and being able to pay shield and pay a price to

02:01:06.760 you know give somebody the value of what you've taken from them um

02:01:12.400 But then there's some things in also true in Christianity, as far as humans are concerned, you're obliged to forgive everyone. And you see, it's hard because you don't want to speak ill of the families of people who have suffered terrible things.

02:01:34.540 But every time some kind of I say very often when we see a horrible event happen, you'll watch the families of raped and murdered family members rush to almost compete with one another to see who can be the fastest to forgive the assailant.

02:01:59.000 And I find that disgusting and our ancestors would have found that disgusting.

02:02:04.540 There's no obligation in Ausatru for us as individuals to forgive you if you do something terrible to us.

02:02:15.060 Now, as noble people, I think it's virtuous to be able to let something slide if people make a good effort and you're able to get over some things.

02:02:24.440 But there's certain things that, you know, certain lines that you cross that you can't come back from.

02:02:30.100 and Alistair has no problem with that whereas Christianity would so I think that's you know

02:02:39.160 your forgiveness your forgiveness by other members of the Alistair true faith is based on

02:02:46.920 your character your reputation and the effort you've put forth to try to right the wrong that

02:02:53.080 you've created. And no one owes you forgiveness. In Christianity, it's very different. Your

02:03:01.400 approach to our gods wanting to be forgiven for bad action is about you redeeming yourself

02:03:10.660 through merit, not by imposing upon their endless grace. It's a big difference. In Christianity,

02:03:20.680 it said that, you know, man's saved by faith alone and not by works that none should boast.

02:03:29.100 And this is one of the things that's always appealed to me so much about Ausitru is it's

02:03:32.520 the exact opposite. You're saved by works that you might be worthy of boasting. Our gods want

02:03:42.280 you to be able to boast of good works that you've done so you can outweigh bad things that you've

02:03:48.220 done. Reputation is a matrix of all the things that you've done wrong and all the things you've

02:03:56.380 done right and how those balance against one another. And the only way to overwhelm a negative

02:04:05.520 balance on that is to outpace it with great deeds, with heroism, with accomplishment.

02:04:12.180 um it's you're perhaps in austria you are absolutely saved by works instead of by faith

02:04:19.320 whereas christianity is polar opposite in that regard i hope that gets to the to the meat of

02:04:25.580 your question um it amazes me we've had so many questions we've talked on because i know these

02:04:32.640 questions got asked in the chat very early in our conversation so from katla uh mr mcnalen i know

02:04:39.760 do cold water immersion have you ever done wim hof breathing and when are we going to see matt do

02:04:46.400 a polar plunge 1000 members celebration i don't know katla we'll see about that um i'm not a fan

02:04:54.400 of the cold water but uh people call me out i might have to do that at some point steve have you ever

02:05:00.640 tried the wim hof breathing i don't need i'm not familiar with it i i i i would actually read any

02:05:09.120 a great deal about wim hof and his material i just i just think it's a really really good thing to do

02:05:15.840 the contrast and temperature of water immersion but i'm open tell me about it you know i that's

02:05:24.560 that's going to be on katla to tell you about because i'm certainly not an expert i think it's

02:05:29.200 almost it's like a rapid breathing almost a hyperventilating breathing that accompanies

02:05:35.360 some of that cold water stuff but i don't know i've i've heard great things from some people

02:05:39.680 that do practice it but i've never tried that myself or done much looking into it

02:05:44.800 well cold water immersion certainly takes your breath away you know

02:05:48.000 a little huff and oh crap what have i done the times i have i have uh

02:05:58.480 non-consensually experienced cold water immersion have not been pleasant definitely take your breath

02:06:04.800 away yeah we got a question uh what's the thing on steven's neck what's it called they're referring

02:06:14.720 to the picture we have up is that really good picture of you steve where you've got the black

02:06:18.640 shirt on and you've got that um dragon torque around your neck yes is there any any special

02:06:25.120 story behind that torque not really i work ceremonially when doing ritual and so forth um

02:06:33.360 um yeah um and it's just yeah it's it signifies you know the fire the internal fire the exterior

02:06:44.700 fire the uh the the breath being taken into the upper cauldron and you know

02:06:56.400 leading to to the ecstatic state that kind of stuff in theory and I found it

02:07:05.400 and I liked it and I always wore it as I'll share your building when I was doing

02:07:10.060 the ritual she'll point out that we bonded in San Francisco

02:07:19.680 personally I avoid San Francisco whenever possible but

02:07:26.400 it's okay it's it's pre monkey pox um

02:07:31.380 so i don't know if you guys got a chance to see this or if you even remember it

02:07:38.920 i found it yesterday when i was looking some stuff up and i uploaded them there's a part one and a

02:07:43.860 part two but uh i'll read the question nick says so matt recently dug up some old videos from

02:07:50.960 midsummer 1994 that's that's some interesting outfits and ways of doing things what do you

02:07:59.020 think about the modern culture of australia and the way it is the way it's evolved from its early

02:08:05.200 days is the suit and tie is better uh how's modernizing treating us and australia in your

02:08:12.920 eyes if you're unfamiliar it's you and ron mcvan and reinhold oh my god doing there's like a sword

02:08:22.120 dance and there's like an operatic singer and there was a conan track and ron and uh

02:08:31.240 reinhold have these big like furry viking boots

02:08:38.360 and it's i don't know in some ways it's obviously silly in other ways it's really cool to find

02:08:46.200 you know kind of an obscure piece of our history and that was you know about six months before the

02:08:50.840 astro folk assembly was founded but yeah what do you what do you think about the the evolution of

02:08:57.000 of uh dress from that to today actually sheila and i watched that came across it utterly by accident

02:09:04.600 you know going through going through youtube and we ran across that and and i thought damn i don't

02:09:11.160 hardly remember that i mean that was like i mean i was mr mr short hair and uh i don't think i had

02:09:18.840 a beard you had the mustache i was probably i was probably still in the national guard you know i

02:09:25.080 would guess uh yeah yeah and uh it was just just before afa um i i looked at it and now i thought

02:09:36.760 i can't believe i can't believe we did it like that you know it what can i say it the best i

02:09:43.560 can say is it made sense at the time um it's where we were at at that point in time the spiritual

02:09:50.680 emphasis was was absolutely still there i mean it wasn't like you just uh you know get into

02:09:56.040 costumes and do weird stuff um reinhold um in my opinion is a man with a lot of issues um

02:10:07.480 and uh ron mcvan um is an awesome guy i would really like to get him down here sometimes

02:10:15.720 uh to be with us uh because he's ron mcvan is one of the most honorable and

02:10:27.400 i don't know almost in a way naive i think he probably just taken advantage of by people who

02:10:34.760 who you know don't really care that much about his interest but ron mcvan is an outstanding

02:10:41.080 individual blindfolded and i certainly had our issues with each other um i'll just leave it at

02:10:46.680 that um i'm glad we're not doing it that way anymore um and uh it was just it was just

02:10:57.000 something that we had to go through to get where we were at that's one way it was it was not much

02:11:06.040 the group well it's you know i think it's important that you bring that up um it's hard

02:11:14.920 before i posted those like i went back and forth i'm like is this going to do more harm than good

02:11:20.120 this is silly looking it's not you know the image i try to put out there but it's also a really

02:11:25.880 beautiful and special piece of our history um i think that you know you pointed out that

02:11:31.320 spirituality is still very much there and i think that it's easy for that to be lost when you know

02:11:37.960 a 20 something year old looks at that today from you know it's 29 years ago and sees something that

02:11:46.200 yeah looks kind of silly in a way but took a lot of effort to do those things the costuming

02:11:53.800 took a lot of effort the uh the whole singing thing and whoever that was took a lot of effort

02:12:00.360 There was a lot of heart that was put into that. And it's important to remember that nothing, if we didn't have those steps that look awkward to us, we wouldn't be able to be, learn how to walk and learn how to run and be where we are today.

02:12:19.200 And, you know, I hope that I hope that the future is is is graceful in, you know, looking at some of the stuff that we do now that, you know, hopefully we're going to do a lot better and a lot more polished many years from now.

02:12:34.320 but it's important to remember that these people were sincerely trying to rebuild that relationship

02:12:40.440 with our gods and it took a lot of shaping and forming and figuring out how to do it right

02:12:46.320 and we needed people to take those steps so we could have what we have today

02:12:50.220 you know that's pretty much the way it is uh it's embarrassing when i look at it now i mean

02:12:57.620 But you're right.

02:13:00.120 We had to get to there and go through there to get where we are.

02:13:06.200 And at no point was the dedication to the holy power any less.

02:13:12.760 I mean, I have always been serious about the gods from that very first day.

02:13:20.520 And room 310, Pierce Hall, Midwestern State University, Wichita Hall, section.

02:13:27.620 That was where I made up my mind, and I made it up in full awareness of what I was doing.

02:13:40.580 And even if we had to go through those, to us now embarrassing, but at the time not

02:13:49.560 so embarrassing phases, that's just what we had to do.

02:13:57.620 I think we've worked our way through that, and we've moved on.

02:14:05.880 You know, it's funny because watching it, yeah, I'm aware of how, you know, people without the context might see it.

02:14:14.380 But, man, it was really cool to see you and Ron in ritual together, you know, almost 30 years ago.

02:14:21.800 and i i wish i could have been there and i would have thrown on some viking clothes and some funny

02:14:28.120 boots and i've been honored to be in that circle now i would have been between seventh and eighth

02:14:35.960 grade at the time so i don't know if it would have it would have been fitting but uh but yeah

02:14:42.280 it was cool to find those i thought yeah well well it was it was i couldn't couldn't believe

02:14:48.600 until we saw that you know we were diving into youtube that's where we get our news

02:14:53.720 you know off of youtube where we can be selective and you know not paying attention to bullshit

02:15:00.200 and um i i know that oh my god uh yeah we watched both parts of it um um

02:15:11.960 yeah we we still have in in odin's farm some of the things that are on the wall i noticed that

02:15:18.520 shield yeah bronze shield uh-huh yeah he's now in a song um ron is is a good man i would love

02:15:29.640 to get him down here again we we actually got him down to uh to our area for a yule celebration

02:15:37.560 way way back before there was a heart uh stay against you around 2003 sheila tells me uh we

02:15:46.280 We can go on down to him, and he's a good man.

02:15:51.160 I would love to be able to get him to any of our events.

02:15:55.580 I would love to host an event there with him, near him,

02:15:59.820 whatever is the most convenient thing to do.

02:16:02.940 We would love to make something like that happen.

02:16:04.880 I personally would love to get to meet the guy in person.

02:16:07.960 I spoke to him over the phone briefly one time.

02:16:10.440 You'd like him.

02:16:11.060 He is absolutely sincere.

02:16:12.780 I would say his biggest fault

02:16:16.920 may be naivete

02:16:18.240 that he trusts people he shouldn't trust

02:16:20.920 because he's done that

02:16:22.780 I think a number of times

02:16:23.860 that's been a failing

02:16:26.440 of a lot of great men

02:16:28.440 and if you've got to have a fault

02:16:31.160 at least that's a good honor

02:16:32.940 you could do a lot worse

02:16:34.640 yeah

02:16:35.740 alright so we got a question

02:16:39.000 hey Matt how does one join the AFA

02:16:41.220 I'm in Virginia

02:16:42.200 Well, you're in a good place to be. We've got quite a few members in Virginia. We definitely

02:16:46.420 got members in all the states either side of you, and just south of you, we got Thorshoff

02:16:51.940 in North Carolina. Easiest way is go to runestone.org, and there's a link that says join. Click on

02:17:03.100 that. It'll give you the application, and you go from there. There's also that link on any of our

02:17:09.680 our local websites. Yours is going to be thorshoff.com, and that'll show you a bunch of

02:17:19.100 local stuff going on in your, you know, your Hof district. Granted, Thorshoff district is our

02:17:24.360 biggest Hof district currently, but yeah, it's also got that join link there. I look forward

02:17:30.760 to seeing that application, and now's a good time. If you want to gear up and come down to

02:17:35.560 Ostara at Thorshoff. This is a great time to do it here in about a week and a half. And if you do,

02:17:41.760 I'll see you there. Christine asks, Founder Steve, can you please share with us your work on the

02:17:49.200 three cauldrons? You did a presentation in 2016 that was amazing. Will this work be published soon?

02:17:56.040 well yeah i keep wanting to to upgrade it and update it and and i never get around to it i mean

02:18:06.920 i've got the the original paper that i wrote which was my my master's thesis in in the room guild

02:18:15.640 and i i'm i'm pleased with the basic concept certainly i i still work with the cauldrons

02:18:24.200 uh worked with them this morning um and i i think there's a lot to it every everything i've done

02:18:32.360 or heard or worked with since since the original manuscript um just it validates itself

02:18:41.400 um and i am i'm actually getting some very very nice results from it

02:18:47.400 i keep wanting to update it expand it and so forth i may just give up

02:18:51.240 and he published the manuscript in his band, I don't know.

02:18:56.240 Okay.

02:18:57.240 Say again, Sheila.

02:19:00.240 But for those who aren't aware,

02:19:03.240 I was thinking about the three cauldrons

02:19:08.240 from which Odin caught the mead of inspiration.

02:19:14.240 Bolden, Soln, and Urdria.

02:19:17.240 And it dawned on me that if we, if we, if we visualize those cauldrons as areas in the body, i.e. the equivalent of chakras, we get some very interesting results.

02:19:33.200 and i uh i sat down and i examined the law in regards to two to three cauldrons

02:19:42.800 and prepared that with other other arian you know practices that you know the motherless stuff

02:19:53.280 and so forth uh and i kept getting confirmation that okay this looks like a workable system and

02:20:02.000 So I have worked with the three colons.

02:20:05.620 Bolon is the one, and basically in the belly.

02:20:11.320 Stone is the one in the region of the heart,

02:20:14.320 and then ulcerative is the one in the head.

02:20:19.360 And I have found that at no point,

02:20:25.820 as my basis on it,

02:20:28.920 been discounted or contradicted or anything

02:20:34.260 about anything .

02:20:37.260 So I still work with it pretty much .

02:20:41.640 So that's what the cauldron material is about,

02:20:43.960 for those who haven't .

02:20:50.240 I think that there's a lot to be learned from it.

02:20:54.940 with each cauldron and associate two rooms and a symbol and in fact i've gotten into

02:21:02.380 considerable trouble on that um uh speak you know cold plunges and hot plunges and so forth

02:21:10.860 so when i go up to sierra hill which is a spa that avoids the lights and they've got that

02:21:19.660 They've got the hot tub and then the cold immersion, as well as a sauna.

02:21:25.980 And so, you know, it's clothing optional, and I don't think it's there for clothes anyone.

02:21:32.120 So, you know, up and down my spine, I've got the symbols associated with those cauldrons.

02:21:39.300 um it's the base of my spine you know i've got the old hyperborean um uh solar cross which i

02:21:48.200 identify with with with the cauldron bourbon and then opposite my heart i have the field book

02:21:55.060 also known as the swastika um uh which is you know you got that on my spine and then up on the back

02:22:03.260 of my head i actually have tattooed in fairly the street manner because getting less and less

02:22:08.460 discreet as i care about i've got the trihorns you know all of these three symbols of course

02:22:16.860 come off of the small enough stone in in denmark you you find them there and then i

02:22:24.780 identified them i think successfully or at least for my purposes uh with with the cauldrons and

02:22:31.580 symbolized that by the spine well apparently there was someone who who saw the uh the

02:22:39.420 field boat slash swastika on my back and didn't approach me about didn't come to me and say so

02:22:48.220 so what's with the swastika uh but we went and complained to the manager it's to whom i had to

02:22:54.540 give sort of a discussion on the whole subject um but uh but i have found that the uh the three

02:23:01.020 cauldrons is the system that is is a a doable thing part of the 80s

02:23:12.220 in the story. All right. So with that, Otto Ernst Lindemann donated $102 and says,

02:23:27.040 hail the old gods, hail the AFA. Thank you so much, Otto. I appreciate that. I put out the

02:23:32.640 call, said, hey, if you guys, if everybody gives 102, we're good. We're there. So far,

02:23:37.620 three of you guys just in you know last two hours decided to step up and do that and it's

02:23:42.740 much much appreciated thank you very much always good to hear that so we have a question for you

02:23:50.660 from ally she says what is it like to have a five decades relationship with the all father

02:23:57.300 i hope to one day know but i'd love to hear your take on it

02:24:02.740 well

02:24:07.620 i wouldn't trade it for anything uh sometimes

02:24:14.420 and that's just painful

02:24:17.940 you you will be tested you will go through stuff uh

02:24:24.900 and there's always a price to pay because there's always a price to pay for wisdom and so i think

02:24:30.580 The experience with the All-Father is demanding, but he's exactly what I was looking for.

02:24:46.620 He holds me accountable.

02:24:48.820 When I get weak, when I fall down, he kicks me in the ass.

02:24:54.680 I'm good with that.

02:24:55.540 and i mana and uh it's like getting your ranger tab or your jump wins you know basically uh and

02:25:05.300 i am absolutely comfortable with the path i chose

02:25:11.640 it's rough sometimes but it's worth every bit of it no regrets

02:25:17.840 all right um our next question is from king of cheese

02:25:27.520 uh a question for both in the have them all we're instructed it's better not to pray at all

02:25:36.980 than to pray too much i've taken that advice to heart and i don't pray often but should such

02:25:42.820 advice be tempered what what do you what do you have to say about that steve

02:25:51.060 i i think it depends on what you mean by prayer i i never pray in a christian manner

02:26:01.220 uh i talk with the gods i express my my desire i will you know give my loyalty

02:26:10.100 it's a great great deal of it is loyalty you know i pledge to i pledge to odin and it's uh

02:26:23.300 it's uh it's absolutely serious trying to think of a comparison

02:26:30.420 it's like taking an oath in a military institution of some sort

02:26:34.340 you you know that this is this is the path you've chosen you have no regrets

02:26:46.020 it's almost like uh i mean i guess i'm shaped by my military days in a way

02:26:51.540 almost like like taking a note of honor to

02:26:56.340 To your buddies, to your country, to your comrades, whatever, it's a serious dedication.

02:27:11.500 Prayers, I don't know if prayer is the word, I'm just, I try to better myself, that's my

02:27:23.920 real prayer my real prayer there's my efforts to raise my consciousness and do it i am

02:27:38.240 so tony it depends on what version you read um because they're uh

02:27:46.560 pray and offer are both used and there's one thing that i i know has become a habit in

02:27:58.320 also true that i that i don't like is this repeating phrase uh about gay boat that a gift demands a

02:28:09.360 gift we get that we get the gift cycle the point of it is that it's reciprocal and that we're

02:28:18.020 sharing things but one thing and I think this is what that verse in the have them all speaks to

02:28:26.500 is if you're constantly

02:28:29.260 over offering you're imposing a burden

02:28:36.540 and then you're getting an attitude of expectation like the gods owe me because I did this many

02:28:44.260 offerings I think one of the things on prayer and offering is what your intention is

02:28:50.940 you don't want to be the guy that's always asking for stuff it's always coming around with his

02:28:57.980 handout. One of the most fundamentals of Alcetru is you want your gods to be proud of you.

02:29:05.780 And I think that if your prayer is to worship them, to acknowledge them, to share your love

02:29:15.140 and good feelings with them, to, as Steve was saying, to reaffirm your loyalty, to reaffirm

02:29:22.180 your commitments to things that you want to accomplish in their name, I think those are

02:29:27.960 great things to do. And I think those are great things to do a lot. But if your prayer is, you

02:29:34.180 know, help me with my math test, help me with this thing. Hey, I need this thing. Hey, I need this.

02:29:41.640 Hey, I need that. You don't want to be that guy. If your intention is, man, maybe if I, you know,

02:29:49.740 If I make this really fancy thing and then I burn it, then the gods will owe me stuff.

02:29:54.640 If that's your attitude, that's also not something that's beneficial to your relationship with our gods.

02:30:02.320 Other groups of people are very into transactional interaction with other people and with deities, and that's not what our people do.

02:30:17.680 and so I think that's the advice is to not over to not over offer with an expectation or to not go

02:30:26.380 and over ask now again that's that's my thoughts on it please read the have them all you know and

02:30:34.340 and find the truths that make sense to you in it but I think our gods appreciate

02:30:41.060 all the prayers you give them that are prayers of love or devotion or loyalty or uh you know

02:30:48.860 celebration i think you have to be sparing with with asking and sparing with uh instilling

02:30:56.740 obligation that's my thoughts on it sounds like she was chuckling at me

02:31:10.280 she was chuckling at me actually

02:31:13.640 she was chuckling at me

02:31:19.820 I had to go to the back

02:31:21.460 I'm just being obnoxious

02:31:25.060 it's cool that

02:31:26.760 no disrespect intended

02:31:28.980 no you guys are fine

02:31:31.220 and another question

02:31:34.380 this is kind of an interesting one

02:31:35.680 Heathen Man asks

02:31:38.000 so besides donating

02:31:40.100 Is there anything else a non-member can do to support?

02:31:44.080 Absolutely there is.

02:31:45.660 But I think it's challenging to figure out what that is.

02:31:48.940 You know, we ask for donations because that's the most accessible.

02:31:52.900 I can take donations and pay off HOFs or, you know, help members who are in need or work on the next HOF.

02:32:02.740 or it's currency is the way it is for a reason is because it's very easy to spend on any number

02:32:10.620 of things it liquefies that that value but what else you can do that's really important

02:32:18.180 is spread the word um i saw over in the chat something about you not being able to join

02:32:25.400 because you don't qualify and i don't know your situation i didn't see your early messages

02:32:30.340 but be that as it may if you know people that should be members that aren't encourage them to

02:32:37.440 join if you're out there in these circles of people that you know are sympathetic to the the

02:32:45.140 way that we see the world and the things we believe in tell them positive things about us

02:32:50.240 if they should be members encourage them to join if they have the means encourage them to support

02:32:55.360 what we're doing but help build our reputation if you like us and you like what we're doing

02:33:00.880 tell people word of mouth is huge and you may never know who you affect by that you tell one

02:33:08.080 guy he goes and tells his friend next thing you know we have somebody across the country joining

02:33:13.600 and we may never know why but it sends out those ripples so if you like what we're doing and you

02:33:19.520 support us and you're you know the way you want to contribute is not financial contribute by

02:33:25.920 by helping us build our fame we would really really appreciate that and the fact that a

02:33:31.200 non-member and somebody who wouldn't fit our membership criteria still wants to help us

02:33:36.640 that is very very very appreciated and i just want to say thank you for that

02:33:40.720 next question founder mcnellen what are the most influential books you can recommend to wake up and

02:33:50.720 restructure our people not necessarily also true or conan related please thank you

02:34:10.720 Well, let's see, I'm going to come through, and I've got it right here, and this may sound

02:34:30.080 a little controversial, but one of the best books I've read that pertains to the future

02:34:37.160 of our fault is a white nationalist manifesto by greg johnson

02:34:46.040 that sounds you know alarming perhaps but it's not an alarming book it's a very reasonable book

02:34:53.560 irrational book i've known greg johnson since he lived in san francisco known for decades

02:35:01.000 He's a good man. He's an honorable man. He is not, by any means, the stereotype that we could quote Mike Schultz.

02:35:12.000 um that's that's a good one for for making people realize that making them realize that

02:35:22.640 we have certain legitimate things uh legitimate demands that people as all people all groups of

02:35:30.560 people should have and that we have our own interests that we can guard okay and if this

02:35:39.040 is not necessarily to the detriment of any other group and it's like i re-read it just the other

02:35:47.760 day it's the value of the piece so i would recommend that one um

02:35:58.480 there hasn't been a lot outside of the the known ossicru circle that you know is particularly

02:36:07.040 useful in those lines. Certainly anything that relates to our sexual race is good. Anything that

02:36:16.800 relates to our sexual race is good. But it's very hard to find material that I think truly expresses

02:36:27.360 is that need of our people to protect ourselves,

02:36:33.980 to become what we are naturally,

02:36:36.680 without hesitation, without shame,

02:36:40.720 and without animals to any other group,

02:36:43.920 because that's not really what it's about.

02:36:46.920 It's not about other groups, it's about us.

02:36:49.340 What is our faith?

02:36:50.340 What is our destiny?

02:36:51.760 What are our interests?

02:36:52.900 What do we have to ensure that 10,000 years from,

02:36:57.360 10 000 years from there are people i think we have a great destiny but we have to grasp

02:37:06.160 we have to become what it will be we have to become that which is

02:37:14.720 and you'll find a few books that that meet that demand you need a lot that are

02:37:20.400 place before extra but uh greg johnson is a reasonable and logical man um and he definitely

02:37:31.360 put his butt on the line uh for our people to the point that he had to leave the country

02:37:41.520 and then yeah that would be my first

02:37:43.360 there you have it i've actually never never read that myself

02:37:52.960 um you need to check it out daniel asks mr mcnallen when can we expect another visit

02:38:00.720 to thorsof we'd love to see you well heck i'm looking over sheila right now

02:38:07.280 hey baby you got enough money for a ticket well looking forward to it i tell you that

02:38:18.640 we're always looking forward to it this is one of our one of our best destinations

02:38:27.200 all right with all the pollution from the palestine uh the east palestine train derailment in ohio

02:38:36.160 is ohio still the best place for phrase off absolutely it is um as terrible as that was

02:38:44.720 it's a relatively small portion of a huge state and it's a state where we have

02:38:51.280 a vast number of very very active members it's right next to several other states where we have

02:38:57.840 a vast number of very active members absolutely still the place that is is right for phrase off

02:39:05.280 Question, does the AFA use the naming ceremony for the babies? Absolutely, we do a naming ceremony for babies. It is one of my favorite things I get to do as a Goathe, and I am silly and I tear up and just weep every single time because it's really moving, but it's, I love babies and it's a special thing we get to do.

02:39:32.920 And like I said, it's, it's, and I've, most of the, most of the GoTar I know that have done it.

02:39:37.540 It's one of our favorite things we get to do.

02:39:42.040 Um, are there AFA members in Denmark?

02:39:46.800 You know what?

02:39:47.620 Over the years, there certainly have been quite a few.

02:39:50.340 Right now, I believe we only have one member in Denmark, which is unfortunate.

02:39:54.640 We would love to fix that.

02:39:56.540 Got quite a few members in Sweden.

02:39:58.500 We have members in Norway, members in 14 countries right now, but we do not have a huge number in Denmark, and we would love to see that get fixed.

02:40:12.480 A question to Mr. McNallan, have you read WayStation by Clifford Simak?

02:40:21.180 And if you did, what did you think about it?

02:40:23.800 If you didn't, I highly recommend it.

02:40:25.760 I have not.

02:40:29.520 And say again that title.

02:40:31.200 What was that, Matt?

02:40:32.800 The title is Waystation by Clifford Simak.

02:40:38.040 I'm familiar with the name of the author.

02:40:41.120 You know, I've definitely been in sci-fi circles

02:40:44.400 for quite some years.

02:40:45.640 But no, I haven't.

02:40:47.240 But I'll take a look at Waystation.

02:40:51.080 Yo, a question from founder McNallan.

02:40:54.040 This is from Cliff.

02:40:55.760 When Newgrange Hall was dedicated, did you have any expectation for how quickly or how long it would take for the AFA to establish additional HOFs?

02:41:11.680 I didn't particularly.

02:41:16.080 And I am very pleased at the way that it has developed over the last few years.

02:41:21.720 um you know we were just so so glad to get Odin's off that uh you know we we were quite beside

02:41:29.720 ourselves and uh I I'm I'm just very very pleased with the way that it's turned out

02:41:38.040 uh Sheila talking to me over here

02:41:45.320 Yeah. Sheila kind of wanted me to pass on some of the details of our feelings when we first got Odin's Hall, or New Grange Hall, as it was at the time.

02:42:04.920 And, of course, we changed the name of it.

02:42:09.900 We ended up there, I won't say by accident, but Thorgren had been out kind of looking for a place for us.

02:42:17.920 You know, we were looking for a place to have the first talk.

02:42:21.640 And, you know, the H didn't work and the Y didn't work and the Z didn't work.

02:42:26.040 And then we had been up at another event, you know, some country, upstate a little bit.

02:42:32.920 And we, of course, had a rented facility up there, and it was a nice rented facility, but it wasn't ours, you know, but then we finished up there, our event there, and Fordran said, well, look, we'll come on by this particular location, which turned out to be, of course, Cody Fox.

02:42:54.300 And we all emerged on the little town of Brownsville, and here's this building at a very nice back area, a fixed-in area, and a place that would be really nice for a local area.

02:43:11.700 we had a huge boulder

02:43:14.080 the one that is in fact

02:43:16.340 our altar stone was there

02:43:18.200 and it was just like

02:43:20.640 really

02:43:22.260 come on

02:43:23.360 why would this huge rock be here

02:43:26.400 this was not like

02:43:28.400 a decorative little rock or something

02:43:30.180 this was like a big

02:43:31.720 big freaking

02:43:34.160 boulder

02:43:34.600 absolutely suitable

02:43:37.300 absolutely suitable

02:43:39.360 as an altar

02:43:40.940 and we looked the place over and we were impressed by it and we all put our hands together

02:43:50.580 poured meat over our hands and basically dedicated ourselves to getting this location

02:43:57.520 and as it is now as the orientation is it's really really cool because as you walk out of

02:44:08.820 the ritual area out of the ritual circle right by the stone there you look off in the distance

02:44:16.700 you know 100 yards or so away is this tall tall tree and at nighttime

02:44:26.660 you will notice that the north star is exactly over the tip of that tree

02:44:35.580 so the orientation is perfect it's got the the hyperborean marker it is it's a delightful sight

02:44:46.380 delightful sight we're very very glad to have gotten in that place as opposed to some other

02:44:53.620 place that wouldn't wouldn't do it all now it's got its disadvantages it's an older building and

02:44:59.320 And it's actually the only one of the Hoffs that is not a former church.

02:45:04.840 You know, Owens Hoff was a former, you know, townhouse, town, town, no, no, Grange Hall,

02:45:13.900 the Grange Hall and a gathering place for X, Y, and Z, and, you know, all sorts of things

02:45:18.620 were, you know, done there over the years.

02:45:22.240 But now it's devoted to the one-eyed one.

02:45:26.000 I love it. I'm very dedicated to it. Always, always eager to improve it and make it better than it is.

02:45:39.000 Say again?

02:45:42.000 June 16th? June 16th, guys. June 16th, come on out. We're in Florence. It's going to be awesome.

02:45:52.000 them. So, y'all come on by now.

02:45:57.480 So, yeah.

02:45:59.120 All right. So, we've got four more questions lined up. More may

02:46:04.560 come as we're answering them. If not, we'll call it good after

02:46:08.880 those.

02:46:11.240 Question. Hi, Steven. When you were in Rhodesia, did you ever

02:46:15.320 meet an American named Mike Bottoms in the SAS?

02:46:19.440 Well, I didn't, but I wish I had. Actually, I hardly got to Rhodesia on that particular trip. I made two trips to Africa. That one was when I was youngest.

02:46:35.440 I had crossed the Sahara by land, by hitchhiking, actually, down a simple route, gone through the interesting experience with sneaking through the border into other places, got into Nigeria.

02:46:55.440 Nigeria was a total train wreck.

02:46:57.200 um parts of Africa were really nice and I never really felt threatened actually I almost never

02:47:04.200 felt threatened just outside of the city out there just with with the the ordinary Africans

02:47:09.900 doing about their business I was I never felt uh in any way uncomfortable or threatened um

02:47:16.540 with just people doing their thing you know working out their desks which I commend them for

02:47:22.120 but lagos was creepy scary bad news and i was running out of money and i ran out of times i

02:47:32.680 did not actually get to rodija um some years later i i was in south africa and uh got up that direction

02:47:45.240 and got technically inside the country i remember the victoria falls and you know watching all of

02:47:53.100 that but uh it's a long story basically i passed up an offer to get into the smuggling business

02:48:01.320 so i'm innocent just want to say don't anybody call the cops i didn't i didn't pick them up on

02:48:08.780 But, no, I did not meet the gentleman that you mentioned.

02:48:17.100 Obviously, I'm very sympathetic to the Rhodesian cause.

02:48:21.400 Later, I was in Bosnia with a Rhodesian.

02:48:26.920 We called him Dave the Rhodesian, in fact.

02:48:30.040 And Dave the Rhodesian at California, lad,

02:48:34.100 that I've known for years and years and years.

02:48:36.020 You know, AFA number back in the day.

02:48:41.020 I beat that in Boston.

02:48:46.020 Unfortunately.

02:48:49.020 Well.

02:48:55.020 All right.

02:48:57.020 There are stories that I'm going to skip.

02:49:01.020 Fair enough.

02:49:04.020 um question elder mcnallan hot seat time hindsight is always 2020 looking back now

02:49:11.380 is there any one specific thing that you would do differently in or with the afa if you could

02:49:21.780 wow

02:49:26.740 yeah i i don't i don't think so um

02:49:34.020 Oh, that's the way that Matt has handled it.

02:49:40.100 I can't think of any specific thing that I would have done correctly at that point in time.

02:49:48.660 I think it was just a matter of growth, just a matter of doing the heavy lifting that sometimes has to come before you get where you want to go.

02:49:59.040 And then once it reaches a certain point, you know, everything changes.

02:50:04.660 and i think matt's done a very good job of it i'm not particularly a administrator i think that uh

02:50:13.220 he he's done some things i would not have thought to do and i'm happy with that

02:50:20.820 you know things change and i did my part of that and did it as best i could and now

02:50:30.260 now he's doing i think an excellent job i'm very happy to support that and i can't i can't look

02:50:37.060 back down the line and take out one particular deal like gee i wish i wish we'd done this

02:50:42.020 differently or that differently um you know i think i think it was a natural evolution and i'm

02:50:50.820 good with it all right question good evening gentlemen in this day and age how do you keep

02:50:59.220 your faith from slipping into the realm of politics and the controversy that stems from it

02:51:08.740 what do you say to that steve well

02:51:14.740 i i i'm very much involved in the political end to be honest and to me

02:51:23.060 and i certainly don't want to impose this particular interpretation on anyone else

02:51:32.580 but for me the existence of my people is a spiritual and religious

02:51:41.300 necessity absolute necessity and so i'm i'm involved in what many would call politics

02:51:48.980 um i i prefer to work on the spiritual end of things because it's kind of like i described

02:51:58.020 so a while back i think that i think your spirituality shapes your culture your culture

02:52:02.700 shapes the politics but uh but anything that threatens the existence of my people or the

02:52:08.440 well-being of my people absolutely will meet my hostility uh and um so yeah i i i do things in

02:52:18.020 I do things politically.

02:52:20.020 It was different when you were running it.

02:52:23.020 But, say again, Sheila?

02:52:25.020 You were saying when you were running it.

02:52:27.020 Oh, yeah.

02:52:28.020 Yeah.

02:52:29.020 And when I was running the AFA, as Sheila mentions to me, it was different.

02:52:38.020 I was much less political at that point.

02:52:40.020 But, you know, I've got the latitude now.

02:52:43.020 I can do things that are more politically oriented towards the existence and the furtherance of our people and, you know, it doesn't really reflect, in my opinion, on the AFA or anything else.

02:52:57.620 Obviously, this is Steve doing what any citizen has the right to do, which is to engage in political.

02:53:04.620 Certainly, everyone has a right to make the interests of their fault.

02:53:09.620 So, well.

02:53:13.020 I don't know. I don't know if that thing is sort of an explanation.

02:53:16.160 If I can elucidate on that, I'd be glad to.

02:53:20.560 You know, I think for me, keeping things in the right order is really important.

02:53:34.980 Politics isn't a dirty word.

02:53:37.160 the afa and myself don't encourage everyone not to be politically involved or politically active

02:53:47.340 that's never something we've sought to do certainly here in the united states that's

02:53:53.440 that's one of your rights that is fundamental to you know being american is being involved in that

02:53:59.380 political process. But what's very fundamental to me is that your faith should affect your values

02:54:08.380 and your faith and values should affect your politics, not the other way around. And I think

02:54:14.400 it's very easy to get caught up in political sentiments and then try to find a faith or try

02:54:21.200 to find a set of values that aligns with your politics. And that's backwards. It's very

02:54:29.200 important that your faith and your and your core values come before you know how those values might

02:54:36.080 manifest in the political arena um you should be an honorable and noble person and you should be

02:54:44.000 an aussitur in your home in your workplace um when when you're at play when you're at work when

02:54:53.680 you travel when you do any of the things that you do including when you express yourself

02:54:58.880 politically um but as we're talking about on the top of the program so much politics in this day

02:55:08.800 and age or what we consider politics in terms of discussion is just endless complaints about

02:55:15.120 things that we're not in a position to fix correctly and it's what i do to keep myself

02:55:24.720 out of hyper focusing on that sort of thing is to look for opportunities for accomplishment that i

02:55:32.400 can do um you know if if i don't like the outcome of the the presidential election last time

02:55:41.280 what am i going to do about it well i can do very little but i can go out and try to get

02:55:46.000 us more hoffs i can you know help out folks in south africa that are that are having food insecurity

02:55:55.680 i can there's a lot of things i can do and focusing on those things you know provides

02:56:04.000 me something to do with energy that would be otherwise spent fretting about political things

02:56:09.600 that i have no ability to control so i think that's that's a big part of what i do

02:56:14.480 uh daniel asks matt can you tell us about folk services and how much it's helped folk in need

02:56:20.720 are there any current fundraisers for folk services there are um so some of you may

02:56:27.600 may not be aware of this in the afa i'd say around 2012 or so we started the folk services

02:56:37.120 program and it's a way of us helping afa members that fall on hard times

02:56:43.520 So we have members of our AFA family that, you know, have that life happens.

02:56:49.920 You know, we always talk about how life happens.

02:56:52.380 But if something catastrophic happens medically or with housing or, you know, people all of a sudden can't find something to eat for the next, you know, till the next paycheck comes in or whatever the case may be, we collect funds so we have the ability to help that.

02:57:09.940 And a lot of the things in life, like we can't buy a new house.

02:57:13.280 We can't fix a lot of things, but we're to a point now that we can help people.

02:57:20.420 If you and your family are on the street, we can put you up for a couple of nights.

02:57:24.840 You know, if people are hungry, we can get you all something to eat.

02:57:28.320 If, you know, something happens and, you know, if you don't pay a bill, you're, you know, you're going to lose your home.

02:57:34.280 There's things that we can do.

02:57:35.520 And so we come together through donations, and the AFA members all kind of chip in, and we're able to help out those members of our AFA family that are struggling.

02:57:47.220 And I see Nick's throwing up the links over there for those of you that are listening to this on Spotify, runestone.org slash donate.

02:57:58.280 and there's there's links there to different programs you want to donate to folk services

02:58:02.040 goes to helping people who are you know members who are struggling so we can take care of our own

02:58:08.360 we do right now we have a a member that's a truck which is their means of income got repossessed

02:58:15.160 and he's trying to fix that situation i know that fundraiser is going on and also um an elderly

02:58:22.120 gothe of ours who has fallen on some hard times with some health issues and some economic issues

02:58:28.200 um and is not not doing well with the storms going on in uh in california right now uh thorgren

02:58:35.880 auden and his wife they're struggling a little bit so we're trying to raise some money to help

02:58:41.480 that out um those two are going on currently but as always thank you guys so much for your

02:58:47.320 generosity and we really appreciate you know all the help that you guys that you guys do

02:58:53.400 um next question founder mcnalen what is the ultimate victory for the afa that you would

02:58:59.400 like to see in your lifetime have we already accomplished it or is there a big a bigger dream

02:59:06.760 we could realize

02:59:07.800 i think i think it's more of the same uh i wouldn't want to see the afa changing its course

02:59:20.120 i think that uh that it's dialed in very very accurately that what we're doing is all good

02:59:27.560 we're building

02:59:29.400 costs, we're expanding

02:59:31.500 our base

02:59:32.600 we're becoming

02:59:34.880 well

02:59:36.720 certainly not part of the system

02:59:39.060 but we're becoming something that is acceptable

02:59:41.560 I think that

02:59:43.500 probably the world in general

02:59:45.160 is

02:59:45.440 would have to

02:59:48.880 respect what we're doing

02:59:51.100 and understand this is not a cult

02:59:53.180 this is not a

02:59:54.720 you know

02:59:57.140 it's not even strange anymore.

02:59:59.300 I mean, you know, it's a little different,

03:00:01.560 but we have been accepted by so many people

03:00:04.160 and by so many institutions that are a part of the, you know,

03:00:09.020 the standard society, the society that everybody knows,

03:00:12.940 that my perception is that our controversial aspects about us,

03:00:20.360 you know, a lot of that just faded away

03:00:22.060 because people see that we are normal.

03:00:23.880 People see that we're plain people just kind of like they are.

03:00:27.140 You know, we put our pants on one leg at a time.

03:00:32.140 Yeah, we got the food pantry thing going.

03:00:36.140 These are just plain hungry people who, you know, live in the backwoods and don't have much money.

03:00:42.140 And it's pretty rough back there. You know, we're helping a lot of people, regardless of race, ethnicity, anything else.

03:00:50.140 And we're doing good in the world.

03:00:53.140 So I think we've really kind of established that to a pretty firm extent, and I think that's great.

03:01:02.100 I don't know that we need any particular change of direction.

03:01:05.420 I think that for the AFA, it's keep doing what we're doing and keep it growing.

03:01:13.320 Just keep it growing. Keep knocking out those hops. Get Sigurheim going.

03:01:18.120 And if we do that, we maintain our connections with non-AFA peoples in our society, which we're certainly doing through the food program and so forth.

03:01:34.580 I think we're right on course.

03:01:36.520 I don't see any need for a course deviation at this point.

03:01:40.100 I think it's more of the same would be what I would be looking for.

03:01:45.020 All right.

03:01:46.740 Next question.

03:01:47.780 founder mcnallen any solid advice for future generations thank you

03:01:55.300 forward advice um get a job and work hard no no wait a minute that's that kind of thing um

03:02:06.100 well

03:02:08.980 the best one-liner line of advice that i know of is uh one that

03:02:15.460 i think it's i'm not sure about the original attribution i think of it as from yost turner

03:02:25.620 do rise in fear no one

03:02:29.540 you do that you're going to be okay you'll be doing it

03:02:35.700 i know that's not situation specific but it is but situation general uh you rise in fear

03:02:45.460 It's timeless.

03:02:47.820 I think we're doing that and we need to keep on doing it.

03:02:52.740 Absolutely.

03:02:53.820 And last question we've got for tonight.

03:02:57.560 Steve, have you ever been to Hungary or Germany?

03:03:01.160 And did you ever meet anyone named Lazio Toroskia?

03:03:10.640 Also, have you ever met anyone from Der Dritteweg?

03:03:15.460 And I destroyed Lazio's last name. I apologize. Looks like a Czech or a Hungarian name.

03:03:28.460 Okay, now this was from where area? Germany or Hungary?

03:03:35.180 or hungary never been to hungary um was stationed in germany of course with uncle sam for for a while

03:03:44.060 um and i i have not run across anyone by that name or or war with the third way kind of affiliation

03:03:56.220 i don't know a lot about third way um i recall reading the material along those lines from some

03:04:05.980 years back and i found it generally you know uh yeah okay makes sense to me it seems uh uh

03:04:13.020 like the sort of thing that we generally speaking that would that we would be interested in but uh

03:04:19.660 no i you know i i met far too few people while i was stationed there um i did

03:04:28.860 i was approached to make a a statement uh to to send some words uh for the dresden memorial

03:04:39.580 uh like just a couple of weeks back and and i did and basically it's a very i think it's

03:04:46.940 with a very moderate text.

03:04:48.420 I've seen a couple of hundred words saying,

03:04:52.440 in pointing, actually reminisce of a true incident.

03:04:57.140 When I was a young infantry officer stationed in Germany,

03:05:01.400 I know that our battalion went up to the line,

03:05:05.380 you know, or through to the full gap

03:05:08.040 where the Soviet tanks would be expected to come through.

03:05:10.960 And we were looking at how we would defend that.

03:05:14.400 And I remember thinking,

03:05:16.940 that, you know, this was something I could do not just for America, not just for the West,

03:05:24.100 but specifically for Germany. And, you know, defending Germany, Germany's reputation

03:05:33.300 with the whole, you know, Soviet situation, all of that. And of course, the bombing of Dresden,

03:05:43.340 which i do feel personally was uh was a war crime uh that's just me got nothing to do with the afa

03:05:52.460 but uh you know those those those are important things to me germany was important too

03:05:58.300 but i i did not get a lot of time actually uh with with people in in that kind of a context

03:06:08.620 so so no i'm sorry i can't say i know anything about the particular movement of the person

03:06:19.740 all right well thank you everybody for all of your questions tonight and your participation

03:06:25.900 in the chat room thank you so much for those of you that stepped up and donated big for us tonight

03:06:31.660 that will definitely help in our paying off nordshoff and ability to move on to phrasehoff

03:06:36.940 and we are truly, truly honored to have you on tonight, Steve. Thank you so much for everything

03:06:44.540 and it was an honor to have you on the program. I'm very pleased to have been a participant in

03:06:50.940 this and I thank you very much for including me. It is an honor to be in touch with you all

03:07:01.160 and to have a chance to get the pulse of the AFA at this point in time.

03:07:07.940 Thank you very much.

03:07:08.980 Matt, I think you're doing a butt kick job,

03:07:11.660 and it sounds like you've got a hell of a good crew there that's helping out.

03:07:16.640 So my best regards to everybody who's been on there tonight.

03:07:20.460 Thank you, one and all.

03:07:22.560 Thank you, Stephen.

03:07:23.580 You didn't, because of you having to call in on this,

03:07:27.280 And I thank you, Nick, for figuring this all out on the back end and making this work.

03:07:32.680 I think it worked really well tonight.

03:07:34.620 And that was certainly not guaranteed at the outset.

03:07:38.620 But, Steve, you haven't seen the chat room over on the side.

03:07:41.460 But it is full of people's messages of thanks and appreciation for all that you've done for us over the years.

03:07:49.480 Well, you know, that makes me very happy.

03:07:52.280 That makes me very happy.

03:07:53.500 That's payback.

03:07:54.360 And I appreciate it very much.

03:07:55.900 and uh i wish actually the best uh all you people that i've talked to tonight or talked to your

03:08:03.180 talked to your questions um it's been awesome uh thank you for giving an old man a chance to

03:08:10.020 sit here and tell you a bunch of tall tales that just happen to be true literally anytime you want

03:08:17.120 steve literally anytime you want okay thank you bud appreciate it all right well you and sheila

03:08:24.760 you guys have a good night. I hope you get your services restored, and I hope the blizzard leaves

03:08:30.040 you guys alone a little bit. Thank you, everybody, for participating once again. Nick, thank you.

03:08:38.260 I'm not going to be able to talk to you next week. Next week, I will be on a plane headed to

03:08:43.860 Ostara, but we're going to have Brandy and Svan talk to you next week. Until then, and until I get

03:08:52.320 back with you guys hail the gods hail the folk hail the afa and always remember that victory never

03:08:58.480 sleeps.

03:09:28.480 Thank you.

03:09:58.480 Thank you.

03:10:28.480 Thank you.

03:10:58.480 Thank you.

03:11:28.480 Thank you.

03:11:58.480 Thank you.

Asatru Folk Assembly - March 02, 2023

3⧸1⧸23 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 34 - Victory

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