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00:09:47.000page for us to go through the text tonight um we'll probably stop at the top of each hour and
00:09:53.160kind of hit questions that have stacked up depending on the progress we make. So if we
00:09:58.680don't answer it immediately, realize that's kind of what we're doing and we will get to all the
00:10:02.880questions that come to us. With that, Svon, would you like to start us out with tonight's text?
00:10:11.020Absolutely. So for those catching up into this, we've just covered the 12 major gods of our faith.
00:10:21.580And the Aryan gods that we just covered, the titles and their names, in the masculine form as we look at the universe, we do not see anything androgynous.
00:10:39.580all power is either expansive or receptive. And so the gods are masculine, they are expansive,
00:10:53.700they are foundational. Okay, so Swan, while we're doing that, if you want to go into the
00:11:00.680linguistics of house and what that meant to our ancestors, I think people may not know,
00:11:05.860And it may give an idea to that general concept of what a god was in their understanding.
00:11:15.420Well, yeah, and the way the language is set up is that it is deeply gendered.
00:11:21.720So just as a layman example, almost every name has a feminine counterpart.
00:11:28.880So there would be my name, Svanur, and then the feminine counterpart would be Svanna.
00:11:38.080If there was Gisli, I'm thinking of a particularly masculine name, like Gisli, but then there's Gislina.
00:11:48.900There are always kind of cross patterning.
00:11:53.880it actually some of the influence that old Norse had on English that most people might not even
00:12:01.000recognize is though the names Carl and Kara or Kara um those are the masculine and feminine forms
00:12:10.360for freemen or land owners um so we see that the language itself and all uh proto-indo-european
00:12:23.720languages are deeply built on this some of them deviate later but the idea is that the masculine
00:12:33.880the expansive and the foundational so the the creating center point and spreading out
00:12:41.080and that the feminine is more of a it is uh it does spread but it spreads within the confines
00:12:51.080of that which is spread out i mean it could be very akin to the very fact of uh as men expand
00:12:59.240the tribe's territory and then the women are able to create a bigger space within that space but
00:13:07.320they are also receptive and so there is a lot of what's going on within the borders of the tribe
00:13:15.400and that it becomes far more um nuanced or uh not even that it just it becomes far more detailed
00:13:25.320and complex um as we deal with that which is within um
00:13:33.160ouse so the plural that we often say um is and you'll hear it in english most people will say
00:13:43.000a seer because when they see an a and an e they create a diphthong in it or excuse me yeah they
00:13:50.760they do a kind of a a collection of the two um but it is actually icier is how it's pronounced
00:14:00.280the a e symbol is an eye um and in uh when it comes to plurals or context that the way you are
00:14:10.360referring to a group of people or an object whether it's uh plural sometimes there is an s
00:14:17.800added, but sometimes the, the word itself changes. So I see it is the plural house is the singular
00:14:26.540male and our senior is the singular female, or it can also refer to the totality of, um,
00:14:37.300the group, uh, of, of the feminine. So a lot of people that come from Christianity per se,
00:14:44.560Don't understand why there is gender, even though, again, their Bible genders their God very, very swiftly.0.72
00:14:56.240But you do see this trend happening in their religion where they are starting to create androgynous sense, whether it's their Hasatan or Satan or their Angelos, which in Aramaic were actually called Molochs.0.96
00:15:16.480The Mawaks are becoming androgynous, and the Hasatans are becoming androgynous, but clearly gendered on Yahweh, God of the Israelites.0.91
00:15:29.320But when it comes to what they would perhaps refer to as paganism, they don't understand why are they gendered.0.98
00:15:41.160And I think it's because of multiplicity, but we are looking at the divine and we are observing.
00:15:51.520And when we observe the divine in action, what we do is try to categorize and make sense of the divine.
00:16:03.180And we see that the world around us reflects the divine.
00:16:07.240and in that there is always polaric there is always the rise of the tide and the fall of the
00:16:16.420tide there's uh the dark and the light there's always a rotation there's always a push and a
00:16:22.140pull and so the the divine which we are a reflection of in our world is no different
00:16:32.400because of that functionality so ouse ouse goes back to uh the the linguistics go back to a pillar
00:16:44.560the pillar of the hall the uh now it's it's synonymous with god uh a god um but it ultimately
00:16:57.680goes back to a support structure, a central and complete point of vertical within the universe.
00:17:09.220And we have to remember that the word God is Germanic, comes from the Gutanish people,
00:17:18.140the Gutanish language, and they actually referred to Lord Odin as Godan, but
00:17:26.540But it has become synonymous since the Bible, basically, the Europeans, as they started pulling in some of the words, they changed their meanings, obviously, hell and God and things like that.
00:17:45.820Um, you know, it's funny to think about, but Saul of Tarsus or, um, Rabbi Yeshua probably never referred to, uh, their God as God.
00:18:22.380That's not any kind of Germanic cognate of Yahweh.
00:18:29.940It's funny because when you read their Bible, the name of the Lord is referenced bajillions of times.
00:18:39.620but most of them because of the translations they had available have no idea what the name of their
00:18:45.060god is it just isn't part of what they do which is always very strange to me something i wanted
00:18:50.340to mention it either either means a pillar or it means a beam that's like the central beam
00:18:57.300in the support system but it's like whatever big piece of main support keeps the roof up keeps the
00:19:05.620structure of ordered creation is seen through a hall or a building in shape and intact um the
00:19:13.220other thing i was going to say androgyny is gross and all the high-minded things that spawn said and
00:19:19.860i think those are all true but it is foundational to our existence and it's also foundational to
00:19:29.780a belief system that embraces nature and biology and life um there is a understanding in world
00:19:43.460rejecting religions that tends towards like neutering stuff and pushing towards androgyny
00:19:54.900which it's funny because it's not the strength of both worlds it's like the weakness of both
00:20:03.060things um it's yeah it's equality through negation and not through you know addition0.98
00:20:12.980and i think that's a that's a fundamental because you know gender is icky sex is icky0.95
00:20:20.420life is icky we should go on to something like the the human body and the form is gross0.96
00:20:26.900that's not our belief that is a strange um strange pathology in uh world rejecting faiths
00:20:38.420no we embrace sexuality and life and coupling and gender and the beauty that is our existence
00:20:46.180And there's no point in time where ancestors didn't see that in very polarically different male and female strong roles in their society, in their aesthetic, in beauty, and just in ways of relating to things.
00:21:04.260So when we talk about the gods and the nature of divine forces, the energy is real different.
00:21:14.480I think we all know that the energy of your mother is much different than the energy of your father.
00:21:22.160Men and women both express love to their offspring, to their family, to their lovers in very different ways with very different energy involved.
00:21:31.320And we've always known that and embraced it.
00:21:33.320so it would be odd for us to conceive of divinity in some way that didn't happen
00:21:40.920especially when we're talking about divinity with personality with agency
00:21:45.660it's another kind of seemingly random thing to get into this before we get
00:21:50.200into the text but I think it's important and this comes in it is relevant we're
00:21:58.520of setting something up so the recognition that something is supernatural or beyond observable
00:22:10.280nature that we can you know weigh and measure it's hard to find words for it so sometimes
00:22:18.840in some places you'll have people refer to
00:22:21.080cosmic forces that do not have agency or will or personality as gods because they are a
00:22:33.140divine force or a force that's on the divine plane but it's not the same as gods that you worship
00:22:41.220it's not the same as gods that engage in a gifting cycle with those that worship them
00:22:46.020But it's not necessarily phonetically wrong, but it is very confusing when you hear those things from people of different faiths where they conceive of, you know, some people would see like Ganungagap as a kind of God because it is a primal force that is, you know, on the on the divine realm.
00:23:09.440And it is a creative, expansive force, but it's not a willed personality in the way that we can see what we got as.
00:23:19.760And the other thing is, when you talk about orders of spiritually powerful beings, it's easy to use the term gods.
00:23:31.900And I bring this up because they're going to talk in their list of the Aesir and the gods, they mention Loki.
00:23:38.020Like, oh, well, it clearly says Loki's a god, so why don't you guys worship Loki?
00:23:44.000It recognizes that he is amongst the gods and he is of similar magnitude, of similar substance in that he has divine power or is, you know.
00:24:01.920when we talk about the gods we tend to juxtapose them to something like there's gods and there's
00:24:10.660demons or there's in different faiths in ours it doesn't quite work like that so when people see
00:24:17.700loki amongst the gods yeah but not one that's worth worshiping or not one that's aligned with
00:24:26.040the Aesir in a good way. He is a god of chaos. But very seldom do we see that term used for a
00:24:35.960negative. So that's something to keep in mind here. We talk about, at the beginning of this list,
00:24:42.140he lays out that there are 12 gods that are good for mankind to worship.
00:24:48.160But then he lists 14. And so it takes a little bit of discernment.
00:24:52.060um uh holder is in the list as one that the icier would prefer not have mentioned and
00:25:02.240then we're finishing up here with number 14 being loki and that's just it goes into why
00:25:10.940the afa talks about the order of the hoffs of 12 and why loki's left out there's some rationale
00:25:18.520now when you're running the math and reading that list.
00:25:21.060And I wanted to make that a little bit clear
00:25:22.680before we got into the meat of today's text.
00:25:43.320I kind of jumped in when I thought I had a little bit.
00:25:46.120So if you had more to go, please go with it.
00:25:47.920if not, let's get into tonight's text. Yeah, I wanted to explain why we have
00:25:57.120in our faith so clear defining observations of the masculine power of divinities and the feminine
00:26:07.860power of divinities. And as we look beyond our realm, or our dimension, if you, whatever it might
00:26:18.900be, the word use, is that these observations passed down to us, and we interact with through
00:26:31.300the gift cycle um and our ancestors have in various ways we really only know um two one is the
00:26:41.060the stories whether it was kvasir the first storyteller um who's you know walked the earth
00:26:49.380or heimdoller or king galfi uh in this story um uh but we also have it in descendencies
00:26:58.340so many european kings and european bloodlines uh link themselves back to the gods um whether it's
00:27:09.700lord odin or holy frere um and i i actually believe there might be some more in there but
00:27:17.220through time and through uh erasure they've been kind of removed but um
00:27:24.660Um, yeah, the, the idea of focusing on the gods, especially as in this piece of literature,
00:27:33.900it makes clear enough that I think folks coming to Ausatrub can clear out the millstrom of
00:27:42.500information on the internet. And the true log mouth is the very tip of the spear as far as
00:27:49.560hitting that mark um so when we move yeah when we move into um loki so 33 of loki lauver yarson
00:28:08.140also numbered among the isir is he whom some call the mischief monger of the isir
00:28:19.560And bear in mind, the way that this story is placed is the canonical suspense is that it is being told, but we know that the binding of Loki is already.
00:28:42.860so it's not revealed out the gate because not everybody in the audience might know that
00:28:49.880and it's a buildup of that suspense it's the whole point of the poetry and the storytelling
00:28:54.460um but i'm going to give another example of um a little bit of linguistics and
00:29:01.640storytelling that i think a lot of scholars don't think about and i promote our gothar
00:29:12.060to look at the Old Norse language with this in mind.
00:30:19.000When we talk about names and we talk about titles,
00:30:23.400when we look at what their meanings are,
00:30:32.160And then, of course, repetition is what we settle on. It is the same with Yggdrasil, you know, as the primary name of the tree.
00:30:45.600But there's no expansion sometimes in the stories, but only mentionings.
00:30:54.520And sometimes there are mentionings that may be grammatically wrong or confusing.
00:31:05.440And obviously for the Auschwitz Folk Assembly, one of the big ones that is connected to theology is the son of Loki and the interpretation that there are two.
00:31:19.900In reality, that is a grammatical error where it was confusing to read and seemed like, but is not fully confirmed in reading it, where Loki has a son and that he, the idea was for the longest time, people thought, oh, he has a second son named Vali.
00:31:44.020because there's double naming often in the stories but the the if you break into it a little bit
00:31:55.440deeper you realize what it is is it's vauli the god um is slaying the son of loki and when you
00:32:07.320look at what we call reflective comparisons in mythos you see it almost immediately and so it's
00:32:13.560substantiates itself. But here we have one that does show kind of a double naming.
00:32:23.420Helblindi is a haiti utilized in just further up in the same writing. It is one of the haiti
00:32:36.760for lord odin now we obviously know lord odin's genealogy that's deeply set so in this case you
00:32:48.340can pretty much bet money this is a double naming kind of like how there could be multiple mics
00:32:57.680um hell blendy though is an interesting like as it is a heighty for lord odin and a name
00:33:06.860for loki's brother hell blendy hell death blind so the poetic part of this is that the name is
00:33:19.100suggesting someone who is unaware of death, someone who death does not plague them.
00:33:29.800If you were to give it, say, as a nickname or to someone, it would absolutely mean that
00:43:18.660so um loki is beautiful and calmly to look upon evil in spirit very fickle in habit he surpassed
00:43:33.120other men in that wisdom which is called slight like slight of hand or just a slight of actions
00:43:42.640and had artifices for all occasions so he was armed with uh tools like a carpenter would be
00:43:54.720for making a box or a boat um or a smith would have a hammer and anvil and like them his craft
00:44:05.160was malicious his craft was to of trickery and any manner of that he had tools for and we see
00:44:14.520that a little bit when uh loki steals sif's hair by breaking into her room he also breaks into um
00:44:26.280to steal the necklace off of Holy Freya's neck.
00:44:37.300But remember, a lot of this is about correlating cosmic and divine power
00:44:46.240and connecting it to concepts and ideas that the folk would understand.
00:44:54.740We have religions all over the world that have done that. And I would even argue that the concept of like a Messiah is the very same thing, humanizing the divine, except we don't humanize just this person is now one of the gods or this person became one of the gods.
00:45:22.200We do it through our stories. The perennial truths within the story are buried over a story of entertainment and ones that have concepts that connect the gods.
00:45:38.180When the gods build tools and they build temples to the gods, they don't build the temples to other gods.
00:45:49.680And that's how we connect with them.1.00
00:45:54.920So he would ever bring the Iser into great hardships and then get them out with crafty counsel.
00:46:06.940this is another point that a lot of people try to say is for every bad thing that loki did he
00:46:15.780always managed to pull them out or give some gift but the overarching point of that is
00:46:23.020one begets the other and the end result whether it's total devastation or it's uh a shiny new
00:46:32.500gift is brought about by the initial action of doing something wrong doing something deceptive
00:46:40.740and that doesn't somehow negate um by a new a new treasure if you will um
00:46:52.180i just want to make a point here now that you brought that up about the role that loki plays in
00:46:59.140the evolution of the story in being the context by which the gods are able to get things and
00:47:12.940accomplish things. People have a really strange relativist view about this now that doesn't hold
00:47:23.700up. Every evil, every terrible thing, every enemy, every hardship, yes, it presents an
00:47:34.260opportunity for someone to be a hero and to overcome it. But you praise the hero, not
00:47:41.240the villain. Like you missed the point. Yes, it is heroic when our heroes accomplish great
00:47:48.080things and overcome malignancy and the ugly and the evil you don't praise the evil you would
00:47:56.960never think to do that we don't think to praise the enemy or the other team and i think when we
00:48:02.720look at our lord it's important to keep that in mind we don't celebrate the wrongdoer we celebrate
00:48:09.040those that overcome him and they overcome him to their net benefit which is fantastic
00:48:16.640it's not because of him it's in spite of him they're able to overcome the
00:48:22.080calamity that that he put them in um but yeah there's no there's no virtue in just and this
00:48:30.880relates to our uh discussion earlier about androgyny there's no virtue in neutrality
00:48:40.240there is virtue there's no virtue in being you know a girly man or a manly girl or there's
00:48:51.320virtue in being a great man and a great woman there's virtue in being a hero and choosing
00:48:58.720to be solidly on the side of good and of right and of nobility um there's no virtue in like
00:49:05.680being objective about, you know, cancer is great because it's awesome when somebody is
00:49:14.080able to overcome their cancer. No, cancer is terrible. And it is amazing that people are
00:49:19.880able to hold up under it and sometimes to overcome it. But it doesn't make the malignancy.
00:49:25.640It doesn't make the evil good. And I think a lot of people miss that point. And I think
00:49:33.180sometimes they miss that point because they don't believe in the realness of the gods even though
00:49:40.780they may say that they do you can't serve odin and frig in good faith and also have allegiance
00:49:54.380with the murderer of their son you can't do that that's wrong and i think that it is so simple that
00:50:02.060one has to be you know willfully trying not to get it because the most simple possible and that's
00:50:07.820the reason that it's painted that way in our lord so that it is easily digestible and understandable
00:50:14.700being having trough with the ice ear being also true necessitates you standing firmly against
00:50:23.020the father of lies uh loki and it is it's it's obvious it is a strange thing when people want
00:50:33.180to have him included in worship out of some kind of ambivalence or moral relevancy it's even
00:50:41.660stranger when we have folks that want to specifically worship loki and that's still
00:50:48.140a thing that we run into with people from time to time and it is almost always a very clear
00:50:59.100sign of mental illness and a very troubled person that seeks that out everyone i know who
00:51:06.460embraced that has been a person that their life and their mental health embodies chaos
00:51:12.700and they have not had good fortune in their life and i think in most cases those that
00:51:21.260worship or claim to worship loki and his children um
00:51:27.420it's like it's like the kids that claim to be satanists they don't necessarily really believe
00:51:33.500in it they're just trying to be edgy and i think in any faith system you have edgy people
00:51:38.540And the outstreet version of Satanism would be the people that, you know, worship Loki or Fulmery or Jormungandr.
00:51:48.560And I think the biggest point that anyone here should take is, again, this is not the figure in our religion is equated to, say, Satan.
00:52:05.820Now, you know, we could go in about dualism and how Zoroastrianism started dualism with the idea of the access being between good and evil.
00:52:18.100Our faith is between law and chaos, and that evil is a corruption. Chaos often begets evil, but corrupted law can also beget evil.
00:52:38.780So there is a wider palette, I would say. But it also turns in the other direction where there can be a relenting of chaos for order and and almost beget goodness.
00:52:59.780goodness um but i digress we'll go into it more um uh he gets them out with crafty council out of
00:53:10.180the great hardships his wife is sigian which means the companion of victory um and their son singular
00:53:21.060is nari or narvi and that's another reason why uh the connection to uh the uh that he has two sons
00:53:37.020this was kind of a common interpretation was that he has two sons and one is vali and that the gods
00:53:43.320magically turned vauli uh into a wolf to kill the other one um but when you look at the way our
00:53:51.880stories work you see these mirroring you see cycles and mirroring and it would be then very
00:54:02.200simple in the sense that uh the son of loki is slain by the son of lord odin and
00:54:20.680uh 34 of the children and the binding of fenris wolf
00:54:29.240yet more children had loki anger boda the bringer of woe is what her name means
00:54:40.200uh anger botha was the name of a certain giantess in jotunheim with whom and i i wanted to address
00:54:50.600this too because i saw it earlier was the reason why he's using this in the past tense is not
00:55:00.840defined by any sort of death or what have you i think it's also the writers themselves um
00:55:08.360um kind of a almost subconscious you hemorrhization or putting the gods in the past versus now uh
00:55:19.720for their for religious reasons or what have you it's small and it's very um kind of looked over
00:55:28.340but that's partially i think the reason why they use that that uh text um angraboda was the name
00:55:37.460of a certain giantist in jotunheim and with whom loki begat three children one was fenris wolf
00:55:47.620uh fen meaning swamp or bog or also really like the moors um and it could be it's kind of like
00:55:59.780the more at night because the more in the morning could be beautiful and silvery as the water kind
00:56:04.980of evaporates out of the grass but at night terrifying uh this means to dwell so he is the
00:56:14.340the more dweller wolf the second is yarmann gander now yarmann gander is the giant wand um and again
00:56:29.140this is poetically leaning towards the idea that a wand or a staff is cylindrical and so are snakes
00:56:40.100so it's a poetic name and if you will just like beowulf means bee wolf and bee wolf is actually
00:56:47.140a bear there is so much poetic interpretation in our faith and in our culture that a lot of people
00:56:56.100get very caught up on direct interpretations um that is the mid guard serpent and the third
00:57:05.540is hell okay now i get all kinds of tingly like i just slammed a bunch of niacin
00:57:14.100but whenever i see three it's a tripartite you know so if you're drinking the tripartite game
00:57:22.180um i'm about to give you some you're gonna you're gonna get there quick uh we see this in all aryan
00:57:32.000branches of mythos and it is about movement forward and we have the three just like we have
00:57:42.520Adumla, Ganungagap, I mean, Yggdrasil and Ymir inside Ganungagap, there is another tripartite.
00:57:53.480When we see Lord Odin, Vili, Vey, when we see, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or
00:58:00.920Tears Day, Odin's Day, Thor's Day, there's that tripartite being built. And we have it here.
00:58:11.420And again, I want you guys to pay attention to where, because just a little recap, in the tripartites, we have dynamicism, we have catalystic or catalystm, and then we have stasis.
00:58:27.740and uh you're going to see it again and this is all from just observation but you're going to see
00:58:36.380it again and you're also going to see where they go and into relation with the gods um the farther
00:58:45.100away is the less and the one that comes right into the halls of the gods is the highest caliber
00:58:53.620of danger. That's something worth noting. So, but when the gods had learned that this kindred
00:59:06.680was nourished in Jotunheim, and when the gods perceived by prophecy that from this kindred
00:59:13.500great misfortune should befall them, and since it seemed to all that there was a great prospect of0.53
00:59:21.680ill, first from the mother's blood and yet worse from the father's, then all fathers
00:59:31.160sent God's thither to take the children and bring them to him.
00:59:36.800One other thing to consider when they say perceived through prophecy, the poet is saying
00:59:45.020this to an audience that understands the concept that the usage of so i would argue that this
00:59:55.020lends to the theory that prophecy whether reading lots or omens or what have you was a common part
01:00:04.300of society because it was relative enough to be mentioned and and even at this time when it was
01:00:11.980written it was still understood um but lord ovin he uh through prophecy and through um just sheer
01:00:25.740decree he tells some gods and it doesn't necessarily say himself or or what have you but he
01:00:33.500sends the god some of the gods to take the children and bring them into the heavenly realm
01:00:38.700so now they are bringing from the realm of uh dissolvement into the realm of order and they
01:00:47.580will then be disseminated into the places they need to be again the gods of order taking elements
01:00:55.740and placing them is kind of the reason why we always talk about them as gods of order
01:01:01.420When they came to him straight away, he cast the serpent into the deep sea where he lies about all the land.
01:01:12.680Now, we talked about cosmology and how our ancestors viewed the gods as not being disconnected, not somehow kind of floating above, but that the center of the world, there were mountains, the heavenly mountains.
01:01:27.900Himenbjerg, and that's where the gods live. So it would not be so strange in the sense
01:01:35.820that he casts the serpent into the water that surrounds the land. I mean, obviously now we know
01:01:45.420the mountains are allegoric or spiritual in nature, that they are in the center of our world
01:01:52.660and upwards but that there's not a geographical place unlike say like with the uh hellenics where
01:01:59.900they they said like mount olympus um ours was more poetically ethereal and that's why cosmology
01:02:09.120today when you see things you'll see uh the heavenly realm separate or all of the realms
01:02:16.880kind of separate um so he throws jormungandr into the water where he lies about all the land
01:02:28.080and this serpent grew so greatly that he lies in the midst of the ocean encompassing all the land
01:02:34.880and bites upon his own tail okay first one stasis no moving or excuse me catalyst i got that wrong
01:02:49.680i wanted it to be cool but i goofed um in the grabbing that means that in order for something
01:02:57.200to happen you must let go and that is the catalyst and so catalystic uh gods are very close to uh
01:03:07.920stasis and dynamicism uh but uniquely built around uh needing something to pass and these powerful
01:03:17.760beings these uh these are jotnar are also in the same rules cosmic rules and so the biting of the
01:03:28.480tail is the immediate indicator this is the catalystic um so then uh hell he cast into niflheim
01:03:42.320Niflheim is where Helgarder is. Much like the heavenly realm, Ausgarder is in the heavenly realm.
01:03:58.020Now we're starting to see that mirroring again. Both of them have a bridge. One is very hard to
01:04:04.600get into because it's a fiery bridge that disappears, Bivrost. And then we have the
01:04:11.620bridge into Helgard, which is wide and ever inviting because of death. So we see these
01:04:18.660mirrorings going on. And he gave to her power over all the nine worlds to appropriation,
01:04:30.480all abodes among those that were sent to her, that is, men dead of sickness or of old age.0.61
01:04:39.760She has great possessions there, her walls are exceedingly high, and her gates are great.
01:04:46.120So she becomes the custodian of the soul complex that moves on into her realm on what
01:04:59.860is kind of described as the edge of Niflheim. And there she keeps. So the halls of the ancestors. But
01:05:07.660in order for ancestors to be made, what must happen is the erosion, the calamity of man,
01:05:17.780sickness, and all of these things. And death is always seen as the cold, the dark,
01:05:25.580the mysterious so you will always find poetically these kind of words associated and you'll get
01:05:33.980christians who are like oh i couldn't imagine uh going to this place in your afterlife um because
01:05:41.720they have a literalism to their religion and oftentimes they mess it up they don't realize
01:05:48.900like the lake of fire is actually like in yahweh's uh bachelor pad side room um according to how it's
01:05:59.380written they they but they take this kind of literalism where as we are looking at the poetic
01:06:04.820language death is cold death is dark and death is shadow and lament so all of these things connected
01:06:16.580to her you should be thinking in poetic um now uh she has great possessions there her walls are
01:06:27.780exceedingly high which means great protection and her gates are strong so the souls of men
01:06:39.300as decreed by Lord Odin are brought to her and her custodianship
01:06:46.440and given a great place of protection.
01:14:18.740most everything um the similarity okay so i think it'd be easier to say what are the similarities
01:14:24.900between that and how it's true the similarities are it is a rejection of christianity um it is an
01:14:34.660embracing of polytheism but again it depends there's a reductionist strain in wicca it's where
01:14:41.240everything is really just an emanation of the goddess and the god and then even at that they'll
01:14:49.480reduce it further to where the god is born through the goddess. So it's all just some mother goddess
01:14:55.020figure. So again, it's all over the place. It depends. I wish I had more positive to say about
01:15:05.760it. I think that it's, I think that it is overtly pagan in the fact that it's not Christian. I think0.94
01:15:11.920that it tends to, at least on the entry level, embrace polytheism and an individual personality
01:15:21.640for a variety of different divine forces, which is cool. I think it encourages a look
01:15:30.200at history, and we have a shared love of history. I think those are the points of similarity.
01:15:36.760and because they embrace all these different gods and goddesses they often will
01:15:44.120learn something about our gods and goddesses and the sincere ones will give them
01:15:50.060a form of devotion that that i can respect and appreciate
01:15:55.080but i think that's in a milieu of you know many other diverse gods and goddesses with no relation
01:16:04.560and isn't handled the best but that's what i would say the points of crossover where they're
01:16:09.600relevant are spawn do you have anything to add to that any thoughts yeah i think it's a vehicle for
01:16:15.120quasi hermetic fraternities i think that there was uh like you said in the beginning there was an
01:16:23.040intent to create a a revival of practices that come from uh native english specifically uh traditions
01:16:38.320um but it also carried with it things that had nothing to do with uh anglo-saxon elder english
01:16:48.800traditions um and so as it went along it of course also began to gather um people who were
01:16:59.920against christianity for whatever reasons usually in like some sort of youthful rebellion
01:17:06.880and what they also brought with it was their politics and so um the divinity was lost and
01:17:15.680And everything became about the feminism of it or the sexual liberation of it or what have you, which is another reason why I think as a faith or as a religion, their turnover rate is extremely high and their substantiation of what they're doing.0.89
01:17:41.720And generally, any elders in that religion are crazy cat ladies, for a lack of a better word. I know that's kind of mean, but in the end, what I think is interesting is the stuff that they were trying to revitalize, the Anglo-Saxon elder traditions of the folks that were farmers,0.60
01:18:10.300The people that knew herb lore or wart craft and knew all of that stuff, they ended up focusing more so and they rejected the idea of English because, again, English to them is colonialism.
01:18:26.440So they've even tried to say that it's actually Irish because that's a white that passes the victim color or victim bar.
01:18:39.860But the reality is that Gardner was pulling from the admixture of Gaelish or Gallic religion from like Druidism and then Anglo-Saxon farming culture with wart craft and leech craft and vich craft, the very act of twisting thread and reading omens in it.
01:19:06.840And I think that that was really good, but it immediately falls off and it starts to accumulate so easily. Oh, I'm just going to incorporate post-Catholic Italian hermeticism, or I'm going to just incorporate Egyptian stuff because it's cool.
01:19:34.260And that's kind of the motivation for a lot of it. And it goes forward from there. And that's not forward. It goes forward and down from there. But yeah, I don't think it's a native European religion. It is. It was ignited by native European religions, but then quickly fell off.
01:19:57.940So the follow-up to that question, do you think it tends to lean toward misandry, Satanism, Luciferianism?
01:20:46.440In a strange, like, degenerate subculture.
01:20:52.640But I think you have, I think in Satanism and Luciferianism, which tends to be high-minded Satanism, is like that has a more masculinity to it, whereas Wicca has far more femininity to it.
01:21:16.980And I think you have elements of the Satanists that have a wider spread across the political spectrum, whereas I think Wicca leads you very dramatically and very quickly, very far left.
01:21:34.520i think satanism has a strange undercurrent of misguided like misguided people who claim to be
01:21:44.440fascists in some way without really understanding what that means um i think you have a different
01:21:51.920political strip of spread i think you have a little bit different social spread but i do
01:21:55.940think they shop at the same stores um topic no yes fawn do you have any i say that i don't go
01:22:03.860the mall i don't know if malls are things i don't know if hot topics a thing i'm an old man talking
01:22:08.660about my 1990s experiences it's like getting anime nowadays that's all it is
01:22:16.900well i mean i think one of the big things to consider is um the people that pedal
01:22:24.740that sell the idea of resisting against the man whatever form that might be
01:22:32.020um when we look at even the founding fathers were talking about it they were masons everyone thinks
01:22:40.680oh they're mason evil but even they talked about the illumitarians or the illuminati and i i'm not
01:22:47.480gonna because now that that word has become kind of joke but even they were saying they're going
01:22:54.040to infiltrate our fraternity and twist it, what ends up happening is, is that these kind
01:23:01.280of against authority people, whether spiritually, mentally or physically, they enter into places
01:23:16.280And those ideas are terrible. And I think any large group or religion would have to deal with that. It's not based on or it doesn't validate the religion. It's just simply the language, the religion speaks.
01:23:33.280speaks so luciferian satanism all that stuff that's just the language of these
01:23:42.160peddlers these uh anti these contrarians these loki's if you will if we want to use the language
01:23:49.440of our religion um the kind of in but not really in secretly eroding um does it lead to that i think
01:24:00.960more often than not it leaves their atheists when they become wicca um and then they remain atheists
01:24:09.280after they stop doing whatever they're doing you know they're they're doing these deeply uh super
01:24:16.240nature rituals while smoking cigarettes because it was just i think that one of the things that
01:24:23.360defines all of those things mentioned is their their negative definition so one of the things
01:24:34.880that i'm very proud of one of the just linguistically why we refer to ourselves as
01:24:39.680ausitru is because of the things that we are pro the things that we are in support of the things
01:24:47.440we are loyal to the icer we are pro-white we are pro uh heterosexual families we are pro
01:24:56.240we have a lot of things that we are really pro that we are actively supported actively um
01:25:05.680hold as values that we seek to build other oh and the the afa one things that initially drew me to it
01:25:13.600But aside from the obvious benefit, like folkism is the right way to go.
01:25:43.600They define themselves by all the things they don't like.
01:25:46.200And I think that that's a force you see in Wicca and in Satanism and in all those things in between is, I mean, literally Satan, you know, means the adversary.0.78
01:25:59.680They are the the anti, the opposite, the negation of order and structure and things.1.00
01:26:06.800And that's why I think you see the immediate and very quick feminism, like toxic feminine nonsense with Wicca, because they perceived an overwhelming and negative patriarchy so quick.0.99
01:26:26.440Let's go as far as we can the other direction as hard as we can.0.99
01:26:31.540Man, we don't like, you know, Christians.1.00
01:26:53.000Like, whatever the thing is, they define themselves about how not that they are.
01:26:58.540And they don't fill it up with a positive, this is what we are.
01:27:02.380And I think that when you're just negating whatever the thing is that's prevalent in the society that you're in, you get different forms of that, and you get all of these edgelord adorners of couches that end up in this drain that they collect at, and that's where you get those overtness.
01:27:27.000The overtness of some groups, when we define ourselves as also true, trothful to the gods, we are loyal to the gods, we move forward in our own way, and there is absolutely people that could come into the faith and utilize our separated language, cosmology, philosophy, and the bigger we get, the more it will definitely happen.
01:27:54.200But when you look at other groups and you look at, say, someone who is trying to deteriorate the family structure of a nation or a group of people, they will utilize that language.
01:28:11.060And I often say, I've seen it a lot on the internet where people will say, oh, the synagogue of Satan, but they're totally forgetting that the reversal of that is the synagogue of Yahweh.
01:28:25.320And either way, you're in a synagogue and two sides of the same coin and the coins clipped. But you end up, when you remove yourself out of there and understand that divinity does not place itself in the encapsulation of that worldview, that's one where you find a world affirming faith in Ausatru.
01:28:49.940You return back and reconnect with your ancestors where in that tradition, once they're dead, they're gone.
01:29:00.740And no matter what level of goodness your grandma was, if she didn't follow these rules and reach the covenant or the contract that was laid out long before her birth, then she's going to a bad place.
01:29:17.000We don't have that. So moving that away and saying, no, no, no, that sphere or encapsulation of worldview is uniquely Semitic, is uniquely Middle Eastern and not a part of us. And we're over here and we're not defining ourselves based on that.0.63
01:29:35.340If you want to be in the synagogue of Yahweh, if you want to be in the synagogue of Satan, fine.0.76
01:29:40.180That's like the whole Job story is, you know, Yahweh and one of the Hasatans are elbow to elbow drinking at a bar saying how I'm going to mess up this guy's life.0.92
01:29:50.700It's a bet. It's a gamble. It's on them.0.99
01:29:52.800But when you get out of that and you come home, you come to the faith of your people and then you realize the relationship with the divine is different.
01:30:05.240there are things that you have to get rid of from over there but it's a processes and i think that's
01:30:12.280overarching that's what we're doing that's what our church is doing this is our purpose
01:30:17.640is to bring people home clean out some of the bad misconceptions that people have and rebuild
01:30:25.240a new life with connection to the gods connection to your ancestors and you're
01:30:31.800embroiled in the very fabric the very threads of fate or orlaw around you and then once you get there
01:30:42.760it's about deeds and making great deeds and attaining a better self and you know attaining
01:30:50.440a better self for your folk so absolutely completely completely go into a different uh
01:31:00.360train of thought when you move to jackson county will you be opening up a barber shop
01:31:07.880and what's a man's regular shortcut go for these days okay um one uh yeah have razor will travel
01:31:19.960um barbers don't retire they just cut till their hands but will you have a storefront uh
01:31:28.760A storefront? I don't know. Nowadays, especially after COVID, the idea of having a storefront open has kind of gotten shaky. A lot of times there's a more of like a scheduling service where you can schedule appointments and work things out through there, whether it's advertised or word of mouth is entirely
01:31:56.080You can't put a spinny barber pole on a scheduling appointment service.
01:33:07.140So it's always better to have kind of a set stable place.
01:33:10.580And I got the inspiration from a barber in New York who had a single room, lower level barbershop that was only open by those who, I guess, word of mouth.
01:33:26.140And he ended up becoming the like barber for a bunch of Italian mafioso guys.
01:33:32.340and all of them would go there and even though they might be uh griping with each other uh it
01:33:39.620was that neutral ground that you know you you would go and see this guy and he was just by
01:33:45.820himself there was no other barbers you didn't have to deal with local folks or or uh you know
01:33:51.920just walk in riffraff or whatever um but i will answer the question too about the common price it
01:33:59.220depends on where you're at. But after COVID, the general idea is you'll see a haircut between 20
01:34:07.120to 25, which is considered on the low end, unless you're going to great clips, which is really just
01:34:13.360beauticians getting out of school and they need a job and they want to go and cut women's hair,1.00
01:34:21.620but they can't right away. So they're just going to, um, slog on, on men. Um, and you just end up0.99
01:34:29.200getting subpar haircuts because they don't know how to do razors. They don't know how to do fades.
01:34:33.880Um, and then you, you move up into a lot of the Instagram kind of area. And in that Instagram,
01:34:43.280super cool, high profile hustling barber, you might find a haircut in the $30 to $60 range.
01:34:55.900And then at the other end of that window, you've got expensive private barbers, some of them
01:35:02.040working for high profile clients and they build a reputation and they're doing $100, $200 haircuts
01:35:10.360on, you know, like, oh, I, you know, I gave that, that haircut at the concert, Kanye's haircut or
01:35:17.160whatever. And they utilize that in their portfolio. Or the other thing you find is the female,
01:35:22.900uh, the beauticians or cosmo, uh, cosmetologists at, um, uh, super cuts, they go through this whole0.99
01:35:34.060spectrum of doing women's hair and making this money and they, they don't like it. And they
01:35:39.240end up kind of retiring coming back and cutting men's hair now they have a lot more experience
01:35:44.080and that's why when you go to these places like um what is it sports clips or uh football1.00
01:35:50.260cuts or whatever it is and you go in there it's like the older women know how to cut
01:35:55.320the hair the younger women will rub up against you you'll get a crappy haircut but for a1.00
01:36:00.660brief moment you can act like um or they'll scratch your head in the in the shower uh
01:36:07.160kind of stuff but real barbers and especially folk barbers are a a dying breed the we are a unicorn
01:36:19.000um with the many of the things that were destroyed in the 60s one of them was you
01:36:24.600know vidal susun came over and men have long hair now and women have pixie cuts and they can all go
01:36:33.160to salons and strip malls that's the thing you need to my barber my barber that was a thing he1.00
01:36:42.680would get a lot of the uh of the lesbians would like to go there because they would like to get1.00
01:36:47.960the same haircuts that we would like to get right um so that's the thing i was getting my haircut
01:36:56.280in reno for 40. he was really cool though he always kept my prices low he like i was grandfathered in
01:37:03.640at 35 but the cut would cost 40. um i'm shopping for a new barber at this point barber on screen
01:37:14.440next to me is supposed to cut my hair tomorrow night but we'll see when we all get on site
01:37:18.120it's happening but uh well and that's another thing is the uh the the communities we have
01:37:24.280like iraqi barbers or middle eastern barbers now coming in and their barber tradition has
01:37:32.040been really good because it's been uninterrupted uh black barbers obviously their whole culture
01:37:37.480they have the the conversation at the black barber shop and everybody hanging out uh hispanic
01:37:42.600barbers but folk people have lost that and so one of the big things i was thinking about doing
01:37:50.600was more about possibly creating a school and teaching our folk how to cut hair0.89
01:37:58.120so that they can go out into the world and make money and cut hair.
01:38:15.480I'm joking. I'm going to keep bothering you about that. You haven't heard the last
01:38:22.980of this. So, how long do you think the Trulog model will eventually be? I don't know. So,
01:38:31.460okay, a couple of things about the concept. It's a living document, so it will expand
01:38:37.500and stuff over time, but I don't want to, the intention of it is for it to be simply
01:38:47.800and straightforwardly presented to where people can get the very fundamentals of what our beliefs
01:38:54.960are. I'd like, I think that we absolutely do need to write more position treatises on what our
01:39:03.200points of dogma are on specific issues and i'd like to do more of that over time the true logma
01:39:09.760although is for the longest time there was this vagary involved in aussitry where we didn't have
01:39:18.720any clear-cut expression of what it means and when people new people or existent
01:39:26.320i'm sure i would ask you get this plethora of different winding answers that were not very
01:39:34.640clear i wanted to make it very clear and concise the very fundamentals of our faith taking it
01:39:40.320through creation up to modern times with the fundamental beliefs of the australian folk
01:39:45.600assembly and so that will certainly you know grow and take shape and hopefully be perfected over
01:39:51.920time i don't know how long it will be i think that there will be supplemental documents to it
01:39:59.120that can expand on points a lot more and i think the the room for that is infinite um i also think
01:40:05.920you know adding other yeah adding other elements to it as additional addendums additional things
01:40:14.080that you know could go along with it but aren't part of the same thing that's sky's the limit on
01:40:20.400that um uh svan if you would address isn't loki blood brothers with odin though
01:40:34.880uh so there is uh on the general right out the gate yes by interpretation of all
01:40:44.480things there is that they mixed blood together there are some folks who have brought up the
01:40:52.560theory that what if it meant that they um slayed enemies together and that therefore they they
01:41:00.960spilled blood together um and that that might be but as of you know it just and again this is
01:41:10.160um working through more the translation parts um yes and that's what makes the the the um
01:41:19.680the slaying of balder all the more that's why oftentimes he's referred to as the kinslayer
01:41:28.760because a kinslayer is one of the worst things that you can do you know if if your brother
01:41:36.180attacks you in violence and you defend yourself that's one thing but if you slay your brother
01:41:43.380in the trust that you guys have as a family that's kinslaying that's terrible um and in this case it
01:41:51.780is the same so even all the actions where people will say oh you know loki brought all these gifts
01:41:59.140loki did this loki but loki also killed his blood brother's son and did it in a conniving way he
01:42:07.700did it over the shoulder or behind another and so and there's a lot of meta-narrative in there the
01:42:16.020the the uh the outsider brought in and you know given trust but grows malicious and then ends up
01:42:24.340slaying um your you know your son um but yes uh absolutely like absolutely uh the connection
01:42:39.140between them that that blood was spilt between them and that toasts would ring out for both now
01:42:48.180a lot of people read that and they wonder oh is there some sort of religious connotation that
01:42:53.660somehow at a temple to lord odin in the past they would uh drink and toast lord odin but then also
01:43:02.560have to toast loki that i don't think is the case i think this is again poetically showing that they
01:43:09.760are deeply conjoined it's also more interesting when you think about it um the mentioning or at
01:43:19.040least the surviving of loki is not present in the anglo-saxon or germanic but yet at the same time
01:43:27.520the old norse is the biggest and most complete corpus of lore so to say that non-existence is
01:43:39.340evidence that it's not you know not important that is not the correct way to think about it
01:43:47.020In reality, we do. It is the biggest corpus of lore. So I think that would have more gravity to indicate. But yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes is the answer for that.
01:44:04.880would satan and loki be drinking buddies um i just went i don't i don't know that like
01:44:15.920other dimensionally it functions in like a diverse society where satan and loki are like
01:44:24.880finding themselves in the same bar somewhere i think that would be a an odd situation and i know
01:44:31.380it's a question in jest. But one of the things that people try to find with our lore is like a
01:44:39.620connection between, man, don't you think that maybe the Jews are really this element from the
01:44:46.280lore? Didn't the lore really refer to the Jews when they said this thing? Or are Africans this
01:44:54.580thing or no it's a self-contained system that really is at the same time the most respectful of
01:45:03.940true diversity position but also the most folkish position is no our mythos has nothing to do with
01:45:12.260these completely distinct groups of people that have nothing to do with us and they're completely
01:45:19.140and totally separate and imagine and yes in the world that we live in today we certainly there's
01:45:23.780overlap as far as interaction and stuff that's where we live in and that's whatever
01:45:29.220but that's not reflected in our lord our ancestors didn't view the the brotherhood of all you know
01:45:36.340earth font no it was mankind meant arian people and the same is true of other tribes you'll find
01:45:44.020that indigenously most often or very often you will find the name that people refer to themselves
01:45:51.140as like we're the people very often it means the people arian is interesting and it means
01:45:59.780the noble people the shining people the noble people but it usually means the people
01:46:06.580when thomas jefferson said you know all men are created equal while owning slaves he didn't think
01:46:14.500that all variants of earth fauna are the same thing he thought no mankind equals you know
01:46:25.380european men men like us and that's that's a very common understanding from everyone's perspective
01:46:33.940historically um i was also um i was gonna say which one a lot of christianity based ideas which
01:46:44.100again, Europeans who've been lied to, and they believe Christianity is a whole religion unto
01:46:50.780itself, but it isn't. It's a subsect of Judaism. The word Satan, hasatan, means slanderer or0.55
01:46:58.580adversary, and there's multiples. And so, which one? Which hasatan? And I'm just joking, but
01:47:10.500But again, you know, the whether I guess the real name, like what is it?
01:47:18.740Hillel Ben Shakar is like the Aramaic and Hebrew name for the original Malak that turned against Yahweh.0.97
01:47:30.100And I use these words because the more you use them, the more you realize how distant and strange the religion is.0.94
01:47:39.380And so there are multiple Hasatans or Satans in their religion, not just one. And again, they don't really want to talk about that. So they singularized evil from Judaism and ancient Judaism into Christianity.0.97
01:47:59.860they singularized evil and then they multiplied divinity into three they made a tripartite you0.87
01:48:06.180guys already know my feelings on on that because they were in europe long enough they needed to
01:48:11.300make one so um the afa's position that also true is hard dualist absolutely austral is
01:48:25.060certainly hard dualist but i think that
01:48:30.420i think that people's definition of hard duality might be different we don't exclude
01:48:41.620things that are in between that but there is certainly good and certainly evil those things
01:48:51.780exist as as like all black or all white there are great there is gray area in the middle there are
01:48:58.820plenty of of beings and and people that are you know varying degrees of things but yes there are
01:49:05.620forces of good and of order versus the bad malignant forces of chaos and destruction
01:49:14.500and that that duality defines our loyalty to the isir and how we see the world and how we see0.72
01:49:28.820What is the difference between perennial truths and cosmic truths? Svon, how would you frame that?
01:49:38.440Svon, perennial truths are tidal in their nature. They're part of, say, natural laws.
01:49:47.140Natural laws are inescapable from the flow of reality. They rise and they fall.
01:49:55.020The fact that, let's say a story that is spoken falls in and out of favor, like a tide, but every time it's brought up to tide and people are looking at it, they see these truths in there.
01:50:12.080That's a perennial truth. It happens every cycle as it turns. Cosmic truths are truths that are not susceptible to rise and fall, but simply are, and they're overarching.
01:50:30.340And oftentimes, I would say that anyone who proclaims to know the totality of a cosmic truth is being very deceptive, because cosmic truths by their very nature are something more or less like the cosmos, observable, but not fully understood.
01:50:50.140but there are the the the building blocks of of divinity um whether it's dimensionality whether
01:50:58.760it's um the the overarching truth of good and evil and that's another thing that i think
01:51:05.140we people get confused in when i say oh well we're looking at chaos and law now you got
01:51:12.200chaos and law but good and evil and chaos and law is this cyclical nature sometimes between each
01:51:20.580other but evil is always evil and good is always good so there you see kind of a difference
01:51:28.620between the two is that one is can be cyclical in nature um oftentimes and when we talk about
01:51:37.220say like a perennial truth is that in that cycle upon observation or inclination that truth remains
01:51:46.580consistent even though perhaps it might not be visible at times um but it could be something
01:51:53.940also too connected to a cycle like everything must die so if everything must die that is a
01:52:02.340uh cosmic truth or cosmic order that is often a perennial truth as well because we only think
01:52:12.580about it every now and then but when we do it is the truth maintained um so again i think it's
01:52:20.740it's almost kind of like the difference between observable truth within the cosmos and conceptual
01:52:31.620Truths that remain despite cognition and what level of cognition we are attempting to be at.
01:52:43.020I think it's one of those questions that it depends who asks them and everybody applies different meanings to each of those words.
01:52:53.980And I think fundamentally they often mean the same thing.
01:52:59.460anytime truth is involved we end up talking about absolutes and i think we add different modifiers
01:53:07.780to like elevate but no this is the best of the truths or like this truth is above other truths
01:53:13.460or whatever and i think we all do that but i think that you could have the same people referring to
01:53:20.020the same things as parental perennial truths and cosmic truths what i think etymologically a
01:53:26.100difference is is perennial addresses time and timelessness whereas cosmic addresses
01:53:38.180um like a spatial relationship that cosmic truths are higher than terrestrial truths
01:53:47.380like cosmic truths are these bigger and higher order of truths whereas perennial truths are
01:53:56.340continually recurring true throughout history true throughout time they're timeless in the
01:54:02.420nature of their truth i'd say that's the difference but i think they become synonymous with
01:54:10.500you know truths that are consistently well attested that are you know the super duper truths
01:54:15.940aren't you afraid that non-focused heathenry is growing uh faster than focused spawn what say you
01:54:29.320is it um in the internet age i think it's easy for people to say that we've got lots of members
01:54:37.800because we've got lots of followers on our internet page but you know people showing up
01:54:44.760and the reclamation and construction of Hoffs
01:54:52.780and people actually participating in deed.
01:54:56.640Again, it kind of goes back to what we were talking about with the Wiccans.
01:55:00.480A lot of times these people will go in as a trend
01:55:03.920and come out very much the same as when they went in
01:55:08.060or sometimes they have some total rejection,
01:55:10.860become, you know, fervent Christians because of whatever bad experiences they might have had
01:55:19.600during that tryst. But the reality is, is I think that like folkish Ausatru is, it's constant
01:55:31.160And it's not being outpaced by non-folkish Germanic heathenry, because again, they don't want to use the word Ausatru.
01:55:45.020I don't think they should use the word Ausatru, but it really boils down, you know, till they show up tangibly, till they are more than Internet.
01:55:56.760or really the other part is you find a lot of people who are also true but they don't want to
01:56:05.560conform to rules that breed success if you want offs and you want to honor the gods you have to
01:56:15.900go out there and make them you have to work for them you have to pay for them and the moment that
01:56:21.620these people are like I'm not going to do any of that are they truly dedicated to the gods then
01:56:28.640no answer is no so the other thing is so first I I don't think that's true I don't even think
01:56:36.560that's true numerically and it depends on what counts like there are incalculable numbers of
01:56:46.400people that are not serious that will claim to be some kind of norse pagan this week and then next
01:56:52.880week there's something else and there's a steady flow of that i think that the more there's you
01:57:00.080know popularity to things where it comes into the zeitgeist at all you have people that you know
01:57:05.440will claim that for a week or something but you don't see development of it you don't see that
01:57:10.640being successful you don't see successful groups of that as a matter of fact
01:57:16.320groups that have defined universalism always just fall by the wayside and devolve into nothing
01:57:24.720one of the things that does tend to bond those groups is their inability to play well with
01:57:29.120others so it doesn't usually work out well now it is the thing that you will find media doing
01:57:36.320positive stories on so it is overrepresented in the media but in reality and having been involved
01:57:43.440in alsatru for i don't know over 25 years now um i haven't seen that to be the case at all not in
01:57:52.160real life not with people that actually show up to stuff you don't see groups of large numbers
01:57:58.000of these people doing things together making something happen they don't have hoffs they
01:58:02.880don't have things um the only time in in australia that you've seen progress has been through focus
01:58:12.080folkish organizations i know people bring up iceland but iceland is a unique situation
01:58:19.200started with folkish people doing folkish things it's a unique situation with their tax laws to
01:58:27.200where you have to put your money somewhere to a church tax and so you can select where it goes
01:58:34.000and if you don't want it going to lutheranism you can have it go to the australia gist
01:58:39.920that's like a haha this is fun whatever it's keeping it out of the hands of christianity
01:58:46.480but they bought land and got set to make their hof
01:58:50.9602013 or something somewhere back in there and still don't have it made um they're not progressing
01:59:01.280or doing a lot of things but you can find um you can find numbers there that the media does stories
01:59:06.720on uh unfortunately that organization um ejected their folkish members um
01:59:14.160um what year was that where they got where they ousted uh
01:59:22.080yormander i was here to go the that was oh uh 2000 something 2005. early 2000s yes early 2000s
01:59:36.240i met him in in 1997 and he was uh yeah obviously still there um and went for a while before he
01:59:47.520got removed i guess or edged out yeah he tried to fight it for a little bit but no the universalist
01:59:53.920took over and um there hasn't been progress notably since then you know in a lot of ways
02:02:41.020one of the big things is is that lord ovid is extremely associated with individual death
02:02:47.580and soldier in battle and battle for anyone who's been in one is very fickle and so the
02:02:59.820understanding of of how things can happen how a stray arrow or like in our time you know a small
02:03:09.420piece of um molten hot metal that was around how it's around uh could go through and hit one person
02:03:19.660singularly there is this connection between fate and this the the random but not randomness and so
02:03:31.740So a lot of the mentions of Lord Oven not being a god you can rely upon is because you cannot sit and say he will protect you in all these situations or protect you in battle because that's not how it works.
02:03:51.580And so that's actually a truth being laid out is instead of getting yourself all filled up with the idea that you're just going to be completely invincible in all things, because that's a lie.
02:04:03.440And that's a huge theological problem that some people have with, say, other religions, especially all-powerful, omnipotent, omnipresent gods.
02:04:23.440So we talk about the stories and we see every time it's that the oath was gone into with subterfuge and cunning and it requires the dynamic lord to do the same in return, even though that wasn't started by him.
02:04:39.820Um, and that happens with, uh, all the way from the, the walls to King Gerard, um, where again, it shows that Lord Odin is, is kind of shifting and moving things in a kind of nefarious way.0.96
02:04:57.400And it ends up biting him in the butt in a, in a, another way.
02:05:02.000And he has to self-correct the King, King Gerard.0.92
02:05:05.740um and then the other thing is you got to be really careful in this modern day and age and
02:05:10.620this is a lot of universalist thought um a lot of people influenced by eastern ideals or people
02:05:16.780that are just again ultimately really just atheistic but pretending to be out of truth
02:05:22.860pretending to to uh want to have a gift cycle relationship with the divine um i've even heard
02:05:30.140people talk about how um that lord tear is an older and that one like really blew my mind but
02:05:37.980they they they said that lord tear placed his hand in the mouth of fenris with a false pretense of
02:05:46.540freedom and that was not the meaning of that story at all so one of the other things is as with all
02:05:53.580the other points i made perception perception is often very miscued based on the nature of what
02:06:02.940they think an oath is no fenris asked for a price to be paid if he was tricked and he chose a price
02:06:14.860thinking and again a warrior losing his sword hand is a high price also the god of war there's a lot
02:06:24.860of symbolic and cosmic and perennial truths flowing through that moment but the ultimate
02:06:32.140point is place your hand in my mouth if you do that then i'll wrap myself up it's not guaranteed
02:06:40.300freedom so the fact that there is people out there even saying that tear is an oath breaker no people0.91
02:06:47.740get silly and i think that's a very i don't know a trite thing that gets thrown around because you
02:06:53.980really don't see it like all the time you mean like all the time you don't see that all the time0.93
02:06:58.540you see i think it's like four or five times you see acts of of um deception but these things come
02:07:07.180a little bit different the other thing that's just kind of a fundamental i'm like i'm saying
02:07:10.780be a dirt bag with your with your oaths and be tricky but these are bigger cosmic things
02:07:18.700that odin is finding innovative solutions and workarounds to cosmic binds of these particular
02:07:26.300oaths and things um same with the the fenrir situation if you pay the price that's demanded
02:07:33.740for defaulting on an oath you're not breaking those you're fulfilling the oath it's you will
02:07:39.500either do x or you owe me y right okay i'll choose to pay you why if you have a you know if you have
02:07:47.180a lease on your apartment but you need to break a lease early you can pay a fee and do that and
02:07:53.500that's all good and all square you have a penalty like you know penalty for taking out your
02:07:59.260retirement earlier whatever else you have something built in that i will do this or i will
02:08:05.260do this other thing and that's you know that's built in to a lot of these agreements but i think
02:08:11.900that that um i think it's important to remember that the gods are gods and that we're not i think
02:08:28.540there's a big there's clearly in our story an effort to make the gods and their relationships
02:08:36.940to one another relatable to us so that we can understand and so that we can learn things
02:08:45.100but we never need we should never presume that we can act as the gods we are not the gods
02:08:54.300the same things the gods do aren't necessarily the same things for men to do but they're described
02:09:01.100in terms that men can put their head around these are primal forces of consciousness and order
02:09:09.580and nature and the cosmos working out and finding victory for our folk for our existence and the
02:09:19.740existence of our gods in an ordered cosmos in the chaos of the universe and this is them making their
02:09:27.500way with the best wisdom that they possess the best cunning that they possess trying to win for
02:09:33.660their folk their people and their and their fellow iser and the wisdom and cunning that they possess
02:09:40.620is so far beyond ours that sometimes we might get a little confused why they're doing what they're
02:09:45.660do it well absolutely one other point to consider is in every situation like that
02:09:52.060i think these stories are actually more of a warning tale of not going into oath with very
02:09:59.020powerful beings with a trick up your sleeve because it ends up biting and i think that
02:10:08.220people that started the idea that he simply just broke oaths for the sake of it is very telling
02:10:15.980and again would bolster my argument that they're not trothful to the gods because that's the lead
02:10:22.940that they went in with instead of looking at the entirety of it that's why oafing in our culture
02:10:28.300is so important everything out your point about in group versus out group i think is a really
02:10:34.380important one as well um and then the last question and i'd like to get back i'd like to
02:10:41.820again we've got more episodes i was naive thinking we would finish today we will not
02:10:46.460but what i would like us to do is finish the loki section and get to the austin your section and we
02:10:52.700can start the austin your next time on uh guilty getting overtime is what we'll call it and we'll
02:11:00.300get to that but the last question is woden's folk kindred folkish so
02:11:14.220woden's folk kindred and again i don't know if they got permission for people
02:11:20.220if we are referring to the woden's folk kindred in texas they like to reuse names that are
02:11:26.620established by other people who do other things maybe they've talked to those people and got
02:11:31.580permission i don't know when people talk about uh odin's folk kindred and again there are a bunch
02:11:37.580of different versions i always think about woden's folk kindred um with david and katya lane and ron
02:11:44.700mcmahon back in the day in california and this is this is not that this i think that they're
02:11:50.620talking about is the organization in texas i think that they are folkish or at least they were when
02:11:59.660they were founded i'm not really sure what they are up to today as we don't have overlap with
02:12:05.260those folks and i'm not sure exactly who's currently involved when last i had any knowledge
02:12:11.500of them or interaction with them they were you know they were pretty solidly folkish but i don't
02:12:16.620i couldn't vouch for that as their current state things um so i don't know um
02:12:24.620yeah that's the last time and that's been a couple of years so i would verify that but i would
02:12:32.620they were last time i had any interaction with them
02:12:37.900it's fine you have any wood folk updates no i totally forgot who they were until you mentioned
02:12:43.980texas but i mean again when we get like hammer folk or uh sword folk or woden's folk or spear
02:12:53.980i was just looking at their website um when they asked the question just to see if they had a
02:12:57.900statement confirming it and their kids thing is called the tribe of the wolfings which is
02:13:03.100you know robert taylor's group out in whatever so again i don't know if they got permission to
02:13:07.900use that or again there's only so many names that you can you can go with um but yeah and it looks
02:13:15.500like they're you know doing things in texas there again i'm not sure i don't have a lot of overlap
02:13:20.220but they were focused last time if that's the one that bolt odinson is involved with
02:13:26.860they were solidly focused last time i interacted with them
02:13:30.540um all right swan let's yeah let's go and read about fenrir okay and so remember what i had said
02:13:42.560before that hell stasis the remaining um and yorman gander the uh catalystic holding and then
02:13:54.480And now we move into the dynamic, and the dynamic is what makes this situation dire.0.78
02:14:04.320So the wolf, the Isir, brought up at home, and Tyr alone dared to go to him and give him meat.0.85
02:14:15.540But when the gods saw how much he grew every day, and when all prophecies declared that he was fated to be their destruction, then the Iser seized upon this way of escape.0.87
02:14:31.720So as it's written, they're attempting to divert the fates of things as they are going right now.0.96
02:14:41.000they are feeding the wolf and if they continue to do so it will be the end but this is the language
02:14:50.680being spoken to the audience and the audience would in this agreement of of media understand
02:14:58.600what's being said so um the icr seized upon this way of escape they made a very strong fetter which
02:15:08.280they called lighting and which means like fetter chain and brought it before the wolf bidding him
02:15:16.500to try his strength against the fetter this here is clearly working his ego you are you're so big
02:15:24.380you're so strong break this um and in the story that i always tell i i especially for the kids
02:15:30.980because they're connected they get the uh the three little pigs i always say that after the
02:15:36.900wrapping of the chain he breathes in once and he breathes in twice and he breathes in the third
02:15:41.060time and blows the the fetters um across like a white hot shrapnel everywhere um so after this
02:15:50.680the icier uh sorry he broke out the of this and after this the icier made a second fetter
02:15:58.300This one called dromi, which means, again, a binder or a knot or a lockdown, and bade the wolf try that fetter, saying he would become very famous for the strength if such huge workmanship should not suffice to hold him.
02:16:18.300but the wolf thought that this fetter was very strong he considered also that the strength had
02:16:25.260increased in him since that time he broke living it came into his mind that he must expose himself
02:16:33.660to danger this part here is another thing that i want to point out why they're saying that
02:16:40.860because a lot of people might not again it is about the warrior's mindset
02:16:47.740the idea of fame attaining fame you cannot attain fame from the safety of
02:16:56.940the home that is a very big point so that that goes on in these stories so that's another reason
02:17:06.300why remember these stories are an exchange between the storyteller or the poet or the skull
02:17:13.980and the audience and there are things being said sometimes they're confusing because they're
02:17:19.340lost in translation but other times there are other things and that's one of them the wolf uh
02:17:28.860bade the wolf to try the fetter saying he would become very famous for strength and such huge
02:17:34.540workmanship should not suffice to hold him but the wolf thought that this fetter was very strong
02:17:40.460he considered also that despite its strength he's getting stronger and in that since he broke
02:17:50.860living it came to his mind that he must expose himself to to danger if he would become famous
02:17:59.420and again this is a big point about ego and also a big point about chaos so he let the fetter be
02:18:09.660laid upon him now when the icer declared themselves ready the wolf shook himself dashed the fetter
02:18:15.340against the earth and struggled fiercely with it spurned against it and broke the fetter so that
02:18:22.220the fragments flew far so he dashed himself out of dromi since then it passes a proverb to loose
02:18:30.860out of the lighting or to dash out of dromi uh when anything is exceedingly hard or to overcome
02:18:39.020something um after that the icer feared that they should never be able to get the wolf bound
02:18:45.660Then the Allfather sent him, who is called Skirner, the one amongst the gods, who is not a god, nor a man, nor an elf,
02:18:57.980the first messenger, down into the region of the smart elves, the black elves, to certain dwarves, and caused to be made a fetter named Gleipnir.
02:19:09.740it was made of six things the noise of a cat uh in in its footfalls the beard of a woman
02:19:18.960the roots of a rock the sinews of a bear the breath of a fish and the spittle of a bird
02:19:25.880now we know here the exchange between storyteller and the audience what we're getting here are key
02:19:34.080elements of it's made of fantastical things that don't exist i don't know about the beard
02:19:42.640on a woman i mean nowadays but maybe it wasn't such a thing back then but the um
02:19:48.960the idea of the of it is fantastical the spittle of a bird and though thou understand not these
02:19:58.240matters already yet now thou mayest speedily find certain proof herein that and that's a reminder
02:20:04.480that little line is a reminder that this is lord odin speaking to to king galfi um kind of tying
02:20:13.200it back into the whole situation um that there are no roots under a rock and by my troth all that i
02:20:21.200have told thee is equally true though there be some things which thou cannot put to the test
02:20:28.840then ganglary said this certainly i can perceive to be true these things which thou have taken for
02:20:36.720proof i can see but how was the fetter fashioned howard answered that i am well able to tell thee
02:20:46.540The fetter was soft and smooth as a silken ribbon, but as sure and as strong as thou shalt hear.
02:20:56.080Then when the fetter was brought to the Iser, they thanked the messenger well for his errand.
02:21:03.320Then the Iser went out upon the lake called Almsvartnir to the island Lingvi.
02:21:11.140and summoning the wolf with them they showed him the silken ribbon bade him burst it saying0.62
02:21:20.080it was somewhat stouter than appeared from its thickness and each passed it to each other and
02:21:28.120tested its strength with their hands and did not it did not snap yet they said to the wolf
02:21:34.500you could break it surely and then the wolf answered touching this matter of the ribbon
02:21:40.880it seems to me that I shall get no glory of it
02:21:44.980though I snap asunder to slender a band
02:21:49.040I will get no glory for ripping apart a piece of paper
02:21:53.620but if it made me with cunning and wiles then
02:21:58.480though it seems little that the band shall never come upon my feet
02:22:03.380then the Aesir answered that he could easily snap it apart
02:22:08.080a slight silken band he who had before broken large ringed iron fetters but if thou shalt not
02:22:17.440be able to burst this band then thou shalt then thou wilt be able to frighten the gods and then
02:22:23.940we shall unloose thee the wolf said if ye bind me so that i shall not get free again
02:22:32.080then ye will act in such a way that it will be late ere I receive help from you.
02:22:39.600I am willing that this band should be laid upon me, yet rather than ye should impunge my courage,
02:22:49.700let someone of you lay his hand in my mouth. A pledge that this be done in good faith.
02:22:58.500Each of the Aesir looked at his neighbor, and none was willing to part with his hand, until Tir stretched out his right hand and laid it in the mouth of the Chaos Wolf.
02:23:15.880But when the wolf lashed out and the fetter became hardened, and the more he struggled against it, the tighter the band was, he then laughed.0.62
02:23:24.280all uh then all the gods laughed except for lord tear who lost his hand
02:23:32.260so there is so much power this is truly one of the most visceral germanic aryan
02:23:45.860uh mythos stories and when people kind of go and say oh the gods tricked fenris it's like
02:23:54.520but you forget the nature of what fenris is the consumer the destroyer the thing that would
02:24:03.540it's not like he would just suddenly you know he just really needed a hug and that he'll just go
02:24:09.040home that hunger is ever and they knew this the story does portray these interactions but to
02:24:18.640simply discount the gods and say that they somehow tricked him in reality he just wanted to be their
02:24:26.240friends a rudolph the red-nosed reindeer kind of story that's ridiculous the truth is is that
02:24:33.600fenris is that chaos that consumption and that fanaticism of such a level that it is corrosive
02:24:42.800there is a reason why when they put the sword in his mouth and they put him on the island in
02:24:47.200jotunheim his slobber goes into the waters and seeps into the world of the middle and continues
02:24:56.400to blight. When the Aesir saw that the wolf was fully bound, they took the chain that was fast
02:25:03.800to the fetter, in which they called Gelkia, and passed it through a great rock called Gjöl.0.76
02:25:12.780Gjöl, it means to yell or to cry out, and fixed the rock deep within the earth. And then they0.55
02:25:18.660took a great stone and drove it yet deeper still. It was called Viti, and used the stone for
02:25:25.860fastening for a fastening pin the wolf gaped terribly and thrashed about and strove to bite
02:25:32.980at them and they thrust into his mouth a certain sword a very certain sword indeed
02:25:40.260the guards caught in his lower jaw and the point in his upper that that is his gag he howls
02:25:48.260hideously and slabber runs out of his mouth that the river is called vaun where he lies
02:25:55.540till the weird of the gods or ragnarok then said gang leary marvelous ill children did loki beget
02:26:06.020but all of these brethren are of great might yet why did not the gods kill the wolf
02:26:12.020seeing they had expectation of evil from him howard answered so greatly did the gods esteem
02:26:21.920their holy place and sanctuary that they would not stain it with the wolf's blood0.76
02:26:26.980though so say the prophecies he shall be the slayer of odin
02:26:32.720and that tells a great amount there as well one i mean if we're talking about in a cosmic sense
02:26:42.920how do the gods of order it's the binding of of the wolf that grew so mightily from them
02:26:52.700it wasn't just that the wolf grew the wolf was fed by the gods so divinity feeds
02:27:02.720this being it is not made up of its own volition it is powered by that the the source of the divine
02:27:14.000and it wasn't till too late when they realized it's too big so we have dynamicism as the final
02:27:21.740one and the and the dynamic child of loki comes into the heavenly realm and um there's a god pull
02:27:29.800at uh thors off that says that which happens in the halls of the gods so too happens in the hearts
02:27:37.600of men it's that often it's again it's a it's cautionary towards um blind the the blind
02:27:46.240fanaticism the idea that and especially people that disagree they'll say oh you guys are fanatics
02:27:53.800no it's like we're doing things because of our what we love and what we want to protect we're
02:27:59.220defining ourselves based on what we are and not what we're against that that stuff is fanaticism
02:28:06.620when you you're blind and the only thing you can define yourself is by what you're not or what you
02:28:13.000hate that's Fenris's slobber that's his poison and it's so potent because people who are obsessed
02:28:26.420will claim they use it as a weapon those people are obsessed they're they're fanatical they're
02:28:32.360crazy um but in reality their whole being is bent on it while other people who are minding their
02:28:41.720they're staying in their lane they're building what they're doing they're they're not focusing
02:28:47.180they're on all of the detraction they're just moving forward and upward there's a reason why
02:28:54.180that's used as an insult because it is so prevalent of a destroying factor in in so many
02:29:02.820things that we try to do so his his poisoning is still prevalent and i often talk about
02:29:11.380if there is an element in our faith removing semitic abrahamic religions the idea of the0.91
02:29:21.060concept of something corrosive or uh soul um darkening tour it is the the the slobber of0.75
02:29:32.660fenris is one element but he is removed from heaven and taken into jotunheim and is there0.58
02:31:08.260don't leave me out i got the same drive you do yep we're all there
02:31:14.660uh nick has the exact same drive i do give or take 10 miles or something um to be fair actually
02:31:25.460your drive is yeah about four miles longer but you know i need my beauty sleep nick so we got
02:31:34.640one more uh one more question and this is a good place to stop because spawn's going to go on
02:31:40.000forever about the awesome year that's just his thing and i think it's valid i think that um
02:31:47.600especially the maidens of fensiler get very little recognition and i think there's very
02:31:52.800little familiarity and they're very important so i think spending the time to really flesh that out
02:31:59.840and talk about them for people is important and is a holy act and i want to make sure we do that
02:32:06.400and don't give it short shrift so we'll go ahead and answer this last question we'll wrap it up for
02:32:11.920tonight we'll all go celebrate an amazing austra and we'll get back with you on uh guilt beginning
02:32:19.200overtime in the meantime greetings all speaking of hell what do you think happens to us when we die
02:32:28.400thanks you so this is another point that i tried to it is
02:32:44.960further unfolding it is the synchronicity it is weird when these things come in waves the way that
02:32:51.920they do i have thought a lot about the ancestors lately um we had a thing come up um just kind of
02:33:02.160a discussion amongst our growth are that got me thinking about it and i've been doing um
02:33:08.240some restoration work at our graveyard at sigerheim um just been thinking a lot about the ancestors
02:33:17.040And that inevitably has been contemplative about death.
02:33:23.060So, I want to, I talked to Ardothar about this, and I think it's really important.
02:33:36.480We need to be honest, and honesty really matters.
02:33:41.760It is very tempting to just, ah, I know exactly what happens when we die.
02:33:45.940this is exactly what happens and then i don't i will never be dishonest with you people
02:33:53.460i will never be dishonest when representing our gods i won't do that um
02:34:01.300there is so much and such a great mystery when we pass beyond the veil of what that looks like
02:34:09.380what all awaits us it is terrifying it is likely magnificent is all the things all the range of
02:34:22.740human emotion comes into play about death because from our end it's tragic and you can see in our
02:34:28.820lore when they describe hell with the imagery they used earlier it's scary it's lonely it's sad
02:34:36.820It's desolate. It's a lot of things because we're without those that we love, at least in a physical way to where we can reach out and touch the people that we love so much.
02:34:51.120And for all people of faith who believe in an afterlife, we know there's an element of we should be happy for those who've passed and them going on to something perhaps better, something different.
02:35:06.820the next stage of their journey. We should have a confidence that we're going to see them again.
02:35:12.980But something deep in our human condition is sad at the loss of the ones that we love. And that's
02:35:20.020true. Broadly speaking, there are three options of what happens to us when we die.
02:35:32.740rather than like majority i'm going to go the bad option first if you are so worthless and wretched0.98
02:35:42.980that your existence is disgusting to your ancestors and the gods then your soul goes to0.99
02:35:53.620naustrand and is dissolved into spare parts to be reused or whatever but the dis the dissolving0.98
02:36:06.260of your you-ness because you are revolting happens there so you stop being you all of
02:36:15.060those pieces go their separate ways and the miscreant that you are is no more but that's0.98
02:36:22.480rare. That's a really bad, villainous person in my understanding. The other thing I want to say
02:36:28.760when talking about this, I want to be really cautious. Oh, and before I get too deep in this
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02:36:43.680What I was saying, though, there is an interplay between the gods and the ancestors on their judgment of you.
02:37:00.800And I think there is kind of a final verdict when you pass, but it's not that they wait and reserve judgment until you pass.
02:37:10.240they're judging us they're judging our who we are our deeds our reputation and they continue
02:37:17.620to be affected by that and i'll get to that moment so yeah eventually when you make it to the other
02:37:26.740side there's do your ancestors want to be associated with you or are they completely
02:37:35.140ashamed of you do they welcome you into their halls or are you left out in the cold
02:37:39.060And then there's also, do the gods find you worthy or are the gods disgusted by you?
02:37:46.900Again, in the very extreme, if you are a terrible person, then, you know, you get sent to the disillusioned strand and dissolved and mid-haga chews your bones and craps you out the other side and you're no more.
02:38:09.060Um, for the vast majority of people, you go to your ancestors, your ancestors in some form come and welcome you and guide you to the other side, welcome you in their halls, you commune with the ancestors.
02:38:27.580and for the the greatest amongst us for the heroes for the people of great renown that have earned
02:38:38.980the attention of the gods in a positive way and that's a scary thing and we talk about it a lot
02:38:46.460i love the gods i love the iser and i worship them with my whole heart and
02:38:57.580it is it is always serious and heartening in ritual i ask that they judge us i ask that they
02:39:10.120see us they hear our words they know our deeds and that they judge us
02:48:03.460and that the truth of that implies a lot of other options and a lot of other things
02:48:10.260but it is very reassuring that that does happen and i've kind of gone on um
02:48:18.100oh get you sarah all donated 25 to the general fund thank you sarah we appreciate you
02:48:23.860and it's fine i have monopolized the the talking stick here for a little bit do you have anything
02:48:29.460to add on that about what happens when we die uh no i think you've covered everything and i i was
02:48:36.740while you were talking i was thinking about again some of the um maybe criticisms or other groups or
02:48:43.480they and i was like no again it isn't about uh us versus them in concept um i think that some
02:48:52.900people do get misconceptions that ausatru has uh an ideal where the gods are and you mentioned this
02:48:59.260about the gods judging like when someone dies and you go and stand before the gods or or what
02:49:05.500have you we don't have that that that really is the the triplication level the upper middle and
02:49:11.840lower the upper world we want to be witnessed by the gods we want the gods to see our lives here
02:49:18.300now and we want them to mark us for glory but if we say that we also must realize that if we
02:49:28.360get the notice of the gods then the then the lateral exchange of that is we could be marked as0.77
02:49:37.060garbage for being a garbage human so that marking um happens at the source the well of erd is in0.91
02:49:47.440the upper realm and that's where fate flows from that's where the observances of the gods are0.99
02:49:53.640That's where the dew that drips from Yggdrasil that falls into the well of Erd, that those dew drops become the bodies of future, you know, of souls as they enter into the world.
02:50:13.760And so I would just say one other thing is the cyclic nature of the ancestors when we pray to them.
02:50:21.340We know that our ancestors can pass things down to us, ha minya. Sometimes it's their mini, their memory. Very, very rarely is it fully thought or, you know, a full composure of one singular ancestor or a group where it's so complete.0.83
02:50:46.980You know, when we are born, we are born with very little knowledge and we are taught from the folk around us, but we do gain some connective gifts from our ancestors.
02:50:58.580And I believe that they pass that up through Yggdrasil.
02:51:04.140Yggdrasil is a great tree and there is a root in each well and the root at the lower realm where the ancestors are.0.96
02:51:14.040And bear in mind, lower doesn't, when you're thinking Christian, it's upper is good, lower is bad. No, the idea is that there is the pinnacle of, say, like cosmic order, and that the ancestors are placed in a place that is actually kind of protected.
02:51:35.040when everything goes to attack the gods the souls of the folk won't be there
02:51:41.700it's kind of the the safest place is the least expected and that again is the wisdom of the
02:51:49.700gods and i'm just saying that in observation you know so either way the roots all roots draw up
02:51:59.360And so a lot of people don't think of Yggdrasil as a cycle or a circulatory system. They get a little bit too focused on the idea of singular central, and it is the singular central, and of course to the realm around it, the heavenly realm with the gods, that is the center and upwards, but it is also a circulatory system.
02:52:25.180so when the ancestors send up hominia and it comes up through the roots and it descends down
02:52:31.260as the dew and the gods allocated into the well of weird that is going to the descendants so you must
02:52:39.340be deeply kind and reconnect and forgive a lot of the transgressions of some of your ancestors0.72
02:52:51.660remember and else he spoke about this to a truly vile person marked by the gods as garbage and
02:53:01.980then they come down and they're not good enough to even cross the bridge and join their ancestors
02:53:14.220what level if it's wanton murder if they are truly a needling we know it
02:53:20.780If there's somebody who slighted you in your life or did something wrong that doesn't automatically allocate them, you think they should be a needling.
02:53:33.300But the gods and the ancestors have a very broader and different view.
02:53:38.920And so I try to tell people it isn't so much just about, I mean, I think forgiveness is important.
02:53:45.100But a lot of people, when they talk about their ancestors, I think they have to understand a broader scope of things now that the ancestors, like the gods, are in a spectrum outside of the material world.
02:54:00.940And we get into these things of what is a needling, what isn't a needling, or a sinner, if you will.
02:54:09.080And these are like more finite concepts.
02:54:12.600i was here really like covered everything in the arch but i just wanted to bring up there is the
02:54:18.760circulatory system of spirituality from the ancestors to the gods to the middle and back
02:54:25.320around again and that's why need all good is trying to destroy that route to break that cycle
02:54:31.560but also that for the realm of men uh as fickle as we are sometimes uh we you know when we look
02:54:43.160at someone who is a great warrior and someone says you know oh that person killed a bunch of
02:54:49.000people that's terrible um this is because that scale that's the same kind of concepting that tear
02:54:56.280broken oath it's miscuing things death and war happens our gods are have dominion over
02:55:06.440war and victory but it is about the nature of like why purpose i have another thought
02:55:14.600on death that i want to put out there and we have one more question that's come up um
02:55:19.080um one thing that i think and that i hope i know is true to some extent
02:55:29.280when we pass beyond the veil we learn stuff
02:55:36.960i have to think that our well i guess two thoughts i believe that our ancestors when
02:55:44.500pass beyond the veil you get to see some stuff that you didn't see before you know things that
02:55:50.420you didn't know and so i know a lot of people wonder about you know their christian ancestors
02:55:56.980or ancestors they had that they you know had a lot of disagreement with i think a lot of that
02:56:04.820gets sorted out when you find yourself on the other side and you see the truth of some things
02:56:10.260you're given the truth as given to you by your ancestors and you are closer to the truth of the
02:56:19.060gods and i think that covers a lot of stuff i think that provides a way to reconcile a lot
02:56:26.500of relationships and we'll find out on the other side and it'll settle a lot of things that way
02:56:34.260the other thing is because i know that our folk um carry on and there is an afterlife one of the
02:56:40.580things that's interesting just to ponder we now have two afa gothar who have died as as old men
02:56:49.540um true to their oath as priests of the icier that passed on um their oath and their ordination
02:56:59.780wasn't just for this lifetime it was a change of station of who they are um
02:57:07.620go to david james and go to the thorgan odin um
02:57:15.460we now have two priests of our house the true folk assembly amongst the ancestors
02:57:22.020closer to the gods and able to advocate for us on the other side of the veil i think there are
02:57:28.260important implications of that and i appreciate that it's nice to know that we have two of our
02:57:36.180of our gothar on the other side advocating for us and looking out for us and i appreciate their
02:57:43.300their continued service um the other thing i wanted to mention um or not the other thing i
02:57:50.180guess but the the question that came up uh and because i think this is a really important one
02:57:56.260the sagas describe past and future events possibly in a cycle because people be in different times
02:58:02.820of the cycle one person might be in ragnarok another in valhalla a third elsewhere so
02:58:10.900i've talked about on this program the concept of mythic time to where it's like all of those things
02:58:19.460exist simultaneous and we're able to relate and understand the gods at different points
02:58:28.820of that great mythic cycle and relate to them differently because of the seasons
02:58:36.740of our life that we might be in to fully know i was going to say to fully know the
02:58:44.820totality of our gods, and I think that's beyond our grasp. But to understand them to our fullest
02:58:51.860ability, it's... Balder is a baby that's the pride and joy of Odin and Frigg. He's a young prince
02:59:07.540that is you know the toast of asgarther he is tragically slain and in hell's hall he is resurgent
02:59:19.060and you know returns to asgar there after ragnarok he is all those things at once
02:59:27.860that teaches us who he is in the bigger picture certainly um
02:59:34.020Our folk, our people find themselves relating to different points in that cycle, different stages of the lives of our gods, different ways to relate to our gods based on the season we find ourselves in our life.
02:59:54.900I know that my understanding, my relationship with the gods is different and is richer when I find different ways to relate to them.
03:00:10.180And I think some of that's just true with time and seasoning with age.
03:00:14.620But you relate to certain gods in a different way when you're a young man just starting out in the world.
03:00:22.080You relate differently when you're a father, differently when you're a husband, differently when you're a leader, differently as you start to age.
03:00:35.980All the different places you find yourself in your life, you relate to the gods differently and different pieces stand out to you in a more relevant way to that season of your life.
03:00:50.820So, yeah, I think that the fundamental to your question is yes.
03:01:43.600And I like to just throw that out there sometimes because to break the serious.0.89
03:01:49.440for the record they were turning the frogs gay and he was right appreciate alice jones but i
03:01:56.640yeah that what what you said mythical time is that that coiled time we actually something that hit me
03:02:04.080is we do this when you look at certain religions that come into the euro sphere our people
03:02:11.840obviously i talked about the trinity and the tripartite and how um the religion ancient
03:02:18.560judaism does not have a trinity and when it comes into europe it gets a tripartite um the same thing
03:02:26.800happens when you see and i'm this is kind of funny because i thought of the like the table scene in
03:02:32.800uh what is it ricky bobby where one of them is saying like i prefer baby jesus and the others
03:02:38.960like i prefer you know like he's like a homeless man and but what that actually is describing is
03:02:46.880symbolic imagery of mythic time and that frustrates me that that is an apt and appropriate
03:02:56.480i know but i walk the razor's edge on this one because if i've if it's a bad analogy it's going
03:03:02.720to be like why did you do that what was that it fits perfectly yes mythic time in in the euro
03:03:12.160mindset in the euro soul is that it can encapsulate in its infant infantile nature in its prime and
03:03:22.880even in its aged or kind of conclusion conclusionatory conclusatory conclusatory nature
03:03:31.040where you have all three of these stages in a spiraled sense of mythic time and they can be
03:03:37.360applied inward they can be applied outward they can be pl applied to perennial or natural law
03:03:44.080it can be applied to the observations of cosmic law there's so much to it but there's nothing
03:03:51.680wrong with by what you're saying is you know that these stages are happening could it be
03:03:58.640because you said could people be in different times of this cycle so i'm assuming in your
03:04:04.000question you're internalizing it and yes i think that that is a case and that a ragnarok um
03:04:12.080is that convergence time uh and i brought up jokingly but not jokingly the 540 like magnetic
03:04:21.760polar shifts um is again the idea of when the world flips over and everything rechanges
03:04:31.840that is a time where things fall and rise up. But there's so much interconnectedness
03:04:38.960with our souls in the middle, in the lower, and in the upper that nothing just ends. It doesn't
03:04:46.360just suddenly stop. It transforms and restarts. Life and the will to live come out of Yggdrasil
03:04:55.020and the process begins again. The vulva that spoke about Yggdrasil said that from the cave
03:05:02.620upon which she sat, she saw nine trees before this tree. Now, nine might be just used in the poem
03:05:12.240as clearly significant to our faith, but it does express one truth, and that is that this is
03:05:20.020cyclical, both linear and stacking on top of each other or even layered. So yeah, I mean, that
03:05:30.380Morris Taylor, that's a really good question. That's very deep. And that's kind of one of those
03:05:36.680so interconnectedly deep and at multiple levels that it's like, yep, I agree with you.
03:05:45.220And how I could explain that, I don't know, or it would take me a really long time and I don't even think I would hit the mark. But yeah, I agree. And I think you're on to it. And that's something that we talk about with the Gothar, is that interconnectivity of thought, whether it's internalized, externalized, whether it's interdimensional in the sense of cosmic dimension, or whether it's literal.
03:06:12.220all so we we went over exactly two two stanzas this evening um but that's okay like i said at
03:06:25.280the beginning we're gonna take our time to go through stuff because i think this is really
03:06:30.180important i think we talked about a lot of really important topics tonight um honestly i think this
03:06:37.920been one of our more informative um episodes lately i think it's been really good
03:06:44.800i bid you all adieu because uh the three of us are going to travel to lyndon north carolina to
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03:07:06.160you this weekend hopefully some of us will see you at any of our hofs as we celebrate austra and we
03:07:15.200we worship the the radiant goddess of the dawn in the spring um the spring equinox will be hitting
03:07:24.560us on friday morning depending where you're at friday morning where i'm going to be at
03:07:29.680so uh yeah look forward to seeing you guys next week um once again we will not have an adulting
03:07:37.600with alan next week uh alan is on a cruise um so we will figure out another episode for you
03:07:44.440um and i hope that law speaker enjoys delicious buffet foods on his cruise and yeah i will see
03:07:53.200you guys next week. Till then, hail the Iser, hail the folk, hail the AFA. Remember, victory never sleeps.