Asatru Folk Assembly - 3⧸18⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 193 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 5

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00:03:00.000 Hello, welcome to this edition, this week's edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:11.080 Tonight, Svon and I will finish our study of the Gilfaginnon.

00:03:16.520 I hope you guys have enjoyed it.

00:03:18.120 I know that we have.

00:03:19.540 It is a document that I would encourage everybody to familiarize yourself with.

00:03:23.680 I think it is foundational to our faith and certainly foundational to the orthodoxy of our church.

00:03:36.480 So Svon, myself, and producer Nick will all be at Austra at Thorshof this weekend.

00:03:45.060 That's Thorshof in Linden, North Carolina.

00:03:47.780 If you're able to make it, that would be fantastic.

00:03:50.420 We would love to see you there.

00:03:51.580 um if you are near any of our hoffs we we would love to have you show up and celebrate with your

00:03:58.960 afa family all of our hoffs are celebrating austra tomorrow or i'm sorry not tomorrow on

00:04:05.080 saturday i'm in my head a little bit because we are leaving tomorrow to get there but it's going

00:04:11.700 to be a three-day event it's going to start on friday saturday and end on sunday at thor's hoff

00:04:17.460 The other Hoffs, it's going to be a regular Saturday event, but make the time.

00:04:22.380 Go to your Hoff if you can do it.

00:04:24.720 We're very fortunate.

00:04:28.240 We would love to have a Hoff every place we have members. 0.58

00:04:31.860 We'd love to see a day where we have a Hoff, certainly in every state, but in every major population center of a state.

00:04:39.020 But as it stands now, we have five.

00:04:42.160 That's a tremendous, tremendous growth since Svon and I started practicing house of truth.

00:04:50.800 But yeah, so I say that to say there's a Hoth within driving distance for a lot of you.

00:04:57.380 It is an option to a growing number of our members.

00:05:00.180 I want to encourage everybody to make that effort.

00:05:03.440 You know, people come from all around and different people make different links of journey to the Hoths.

00:05:09.040 we have people that are very close usually a standard window around a half is about a

00:05:15.200 three hour drive um but yeah it's pretty regular for our folks so not the only one doing it if you

00:05:23.360 can drive to a hof this weekend is the weekend to make that happen and i just heard that we're

00:05:29.360 having somebody flying from texas so if you can hop on a plane we'll see you there we'll help you

00:05:34.720 the airport yep our newest uh texas folk builder blake de shane should be joining us at thor's

00:05:42.160 hoff that would be great to see him there i got to meet him and spend some time with him last month

00:05:47.280 he's a fantastic guy um yeah great people will be there great people will be at all of the hoffs

00:05:53.760 get out there and meet them let's make it happen um also top of the show things because we do it

00:06:00.000 every week to let you guys know how the effort is going we are 36.8 paid off on phrasehoff

00:06:09.280 um that's awesome it's wonderful to watch that number in well that percent number increase and

00:06:16.400 the uh number that we owe decrease every time i talk to you guys little by little we're getting

00:06:21.920 there y'all been tremendously generous thank you guys for that if anybody is interested you can

00:06:26.400 donate at runestone.org slash donate. And yeah, as always, we appreciate you guys' generosity

00:06:34.200 a lot. Nick in Ohio donated $10 each to Frazehoff and to paying off Sigurheim. Thank you for that.

00:06:46.380 Steven in Japan donated $10 each towards paying off Frazehoff and towards restoring the heat

00:06:53.440 and fellowship hall at thorshoff thank you much appreciated

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00:07:03.680 gw farnsworth as he always does donated 25 each towards restoring that uh thorshoff heat

00:07:12.560 and towards paying off sigerheim thank you for that much much appreciated

00:07:16.960 we will be going through

00:07:21.900 what number did we leave off at you have that in front of you

00:07:29.020 so starting at gilford getting 31 and like 33 but that's the link

00:07:37.580 okay well nick posted the link so yeah we're getting done with a section about

00:07:42.600 Forseti we finished that last time and we'll be starting the next section and I'll have that up

00:07:48.120 uh here in a sec but that's where we're going to be at tonight you guys are encouraged to follow

00:07:53.160 along um very convenient at valispow.org but you can also use whatever whatever translation you

00:08:00.840 have in front of you um but yeah that's where we're at we will i'm playing with the qr code

00:08:09.000 so you see the qr code up on screen it will take you to that link there you have it you kids and

00:08:15.240 your qr codes that's cool that we're keeping up with the technology keeping our ear to the streets

00:08:25.160 keeping relevant to the youth um but in seriousness let me start that here in a second as always um

00:08:35.320 so much of the show is question and answer based so we encourage you guys all to ask

00:08:39.960 any questions you may have we already have a couple that have come in through this

00:08:45.080 way but if you have a question at any time tonight or otherwise vns at runestone.org

00:08:54.120 and we will be happy to answer your question on the next available show

00:08:57.560 or I guess the next available opportunity

00:09:01.380 if you were to send it in now.

00:09:02.720 So appreciate that.

00:09:07.160 And any theological questions too, please.

00:09:11.800 That's, I think the combo of us together

00:09:16.060 gives a good kind of surrounding answer to-

00:09:21.720 I like your theological questions.

00:09:25.400 I welcome all of your questions. 0.60

00:09:27.560 right about a variety of things um gorilla snot and your sponsorship yeah mocha day gorilla people

00:09:35.720 are listening uh we'd be happy to uh sponsor your product in a more formal way but i would recommend

00:09:41.240 it regardless this wonderful product uh either way give just giving everybody time to get on the

00:09:47.000 page for us to go through the text tonight um we'll probably stop at the top of each hour and

00:09:53.160 kind of hit questions that have stacked up depending on the progress we make. So if we

00:09:58.680 don't answer it immediately, realize that's kind of what we're doing and we will get to all the

00:10:02.880 questions that come to us. With that, Svon, would you like to start us out with tonight's text?

00:10:11.020 Absolutely. So for those catching up into this, we've just covered the 12 major gods of our faith.

00:10:21.580 And the Aryan gods that we just covered, the titles and their names, in the masculine form as we look at the universe, we do not see anything androgynous.

00:10:39.580 all power is either expansive or receptive. And so the gods are masculine, they are expansive,

00:10:53.700 they are foundational. Okay, so Swan, while we're doing that, if you want to go into the

00:11:00.680 linguistics of house and what that meant to our ancestors, I think people may not know,

00:11:05.860 And it may give an idea to that general concept of what a god was in their understanding.

00:11:15.420 Well, yeah, and the way the language is set up is that it is deeply gendered.

00:11:21.720 So just as a layman example, almost every name has a feminine counterpart.

00:11:28.880 So there would be my name, Svanur, and then the feminine counterpart would be Svanna.

00:11:38.080 If there was Gisli, I'm thinking of a particularly masculine name, like Gisli, but then there's Gislina.

00:11:48.900 There are always kind of cross patterning.

00:11:53.880 it actually some of the influence that old Norse had on English that most people might not even

00:12:01.000 recognize is though the names Carl and Kara or Kara um those are the masculine and feminine forms

00:12:10.360 for freemen or land owners um so we see that the language itself and all uh proto-indo-european

00:12:23.720 languages are deeply built on this some of them deviate later but the idea is that the masculine

00:12:33.880 the expansive and the foundational so the the creating center point and spreading out

00:12:41.080 and that the feminine is more of a it is uh it does spread but it spreads within the confines

00:12:51.080 of that which is spread out i mean it could be very akin to the very fact of uh as men expand

00:12:59.240 the tribe's territory and then the women are able to create a bigger space within that space but

00:13:07.320 they are also receptive and so there is a lot of what's going on within the borders of the tribe

00:13:15.400 and that it becomes far more um nuanced or uh not even that it just it becomes far more detailed

00:13:25.320 and complex um as we deal with that which is within um

00:13:33.160 ouse so the plural that we often say um is and you'll hear it in english most people will say

00:13:43.000 a seer because when they see an a and an e they create a diphthong in it or excuse me yeah they

00:13:50.760 they do a kind of a a collection of the two um but it is actually icier is how it's pronounced

00:14:00.280 the a e symbol is an eye um and in uh when it comes to plurals or context that the way you are

00:14:10.360 referring to a group of people or an object whether it's uh plural sometimes there is an s

00:14:17.800 added, but sometimes the, the word itself changes. So I see it is the plural house is the singular

00:14:26.540 male and our senior is the singular female, or it can also refer to the totality of, um,

00:14:37.300 the group, uh, of, of the feminine. So a lot of people that come from Christianity per se,

00:14:44.560 Don't understand why there is gender, even though, again, their Bible genders their God very, very swiftly. 0.72

00:14:56.240 But you do see this trend happening in their religion where they are starting to create androgynous sense, whether it's their Hasatan or Satan or their Angelos, which in Aramaic were actually called Molochs. 0.96

00:15:16.480 The Mawaks are becoming androgynous, and the Hasatans are becoming androgynous, but clearly gendered on Yahweh, God of the Israelites. 0.91

00:15:29.320 But when it comes to what they would perhaps refer to as paganism, they don't understand why are they gendered. 0.98

00:15:41.160 And I think it's because of multiplicity, but we are looking at the divine and we are observing.

00:15:51.520 And when we observe the divine in action, what we do is try to categorize and make sense of the divine.

00:16:03.180 And we see that the world around us reflects the divine.

00:16:07.240 and in that there is always polaric there is always the rise of the tide and the fall of the

00:16:16.420 tide there's uh the dark and the light there's always a rotation there's always a push and a

00:16:22.140 pull and so the the divine which we are a reflection of in our world is no different

00:16:32.400 because of that functionality so ouse ouse goes back to uh the the linguistics go back to a pillar

00:16:44.560 the pillar of the hall the uh now it's it's synonymous with god uh a god um but it ultimately

00:16:57.680 goes back to a support structure, a central and complete point of vertical within the universe.

00:17:09.220 And we have to remember that the word God is Germanic, comes from the Gutanish people,

00:17:18.140 the Gutanish language, and they actually referred to Lord Odin as Godan, but

00:17:26.540 But it has become synonymous since the Bible, basically, the Europeans, as they started pulling in some of the words, they changed their meanings, obviously, hell and God and things like that.

00:17:45.820 Um, you know, it's funny to think about, but Saul of Tarsus or, um, Rabbi Yeshua probably never referred to, uh, their God as God.

00:18:00.060 Um, no, it's funny. 0.99

00:18:01.440 Um, it's funny because Christians that don't really think about it a lot, you know, you say, you know, you know, God damn it. 0.97

00:18:15.820 Don't use the Lord's name in vain. 0.97

00:18:18.660 It's not his name.

00:18:19.700 That's not what it means.

00:18:20.860 That was never his name.

00:18:22.380 That's not any kind of Germanic cognate of Yahweh.

00:18:29.940 It's funny because when you read their Bible, the name of the Lord is referenced bajillions of times.

00:18:39.620 but most of them because of the translations they had available have no idea what the name of their

00:18:45.060 god is it just isn't part of what they do which is always very strange to me something i wanted

00:18:50.340 to mention it either either means a pillar or it means a beam that's like the central beam

00:18:57.300 in the support system but it's like whatever big piece of main support keeps the roof up keeps the

00:19:05.620 structure of ordered creation is seen through a hall or a building in shape and intact um the

00:19:13.220 other thing i was going to say androgyny is gross and all the high-minded things that spawn said and

00:19:19.860 i think those are all true but it is foundational to our existence and it's also foundational to

00:19:29.780 a belief system that embraces nature and biology and life um there is a understanding in world

00:19:43.460 rejecting religions that tends towards like neutering stuff and pushing towards androgyny

00:19:54.900 which it's funny because it's not the strength of both worlds it's like the weakness of both

00:20:03.060 things um it's yeah it's equality through negation and not through you know addition 0.98

00:20:12.980 and i think that's a that's a fundamental because you know gender is icky sex is icky 0.95

00:20:20.420 life is icky we should go on to something like the the human body and the form is gross 0.96

00:20:26.900 that's not our belief that is a strange um strange pathology in uh world rejecting faiths

00:20:38.420 no we embrace sexuality and life and coupling and gender and the beauty that is our existence

00:20:46.180 And there's no point in time where ancestors didn't see that in very polarically different male and female strong roles in their society, in their aesthetic, in beauty, and just in ways of relating to things.

00:21:04.260 So when we talk about the gods and the nature of divine forces, the energy is real different.

00:21:14.480 I think we all know that the energy of your mother is much different than the energy of your father.

00:21:22.160 Men and women both express love to their offspring, to their family, to their lovers in very different ways with very different energy involved.

00:21:31.320 And we've always known that and embraced it.

00:21:33.320 so it would be odd for us to conceive of divinity in some way that didn't happen

00:21:40.920 especially when we're talking about divinity with personality with agency

00:21:45.660 it's another kind of seemingly random thing to get into this before we get

00:21:50.200 into the text but I think it's important and this comes in it is relevant we're

00:21:58.520 of setting something up so the recognition that something is supernatural or beyond observable

00:22:10.280 nature that we can you know weigh and measure it's hard to find words for it so sometimes

00:22:18.840 in some places you'll have people refer to

00:22:21.080 cosmic forces that do not have agency or will or personality as gods because they are a

00:22:33.140 divine force or a force that's on the divine plane but it's not the same as gods that you worship

00:22:41.220 it's not the same as gods that engage in a gifting cycle with those that worship them

00:22:46.020 But it's not necessarily phonetically wrong, but it is very confusing when you hear those things from people of different faiths where they conceive of, you know, some people would see like Ganungagap as a kind of God because it is a primal force that is, you know, on the on the divine realm.

00:23:09.440 And it is a creative, expansive force, but it's not a willed personality in the way that we can see what we got as.

00:23:17.960 So I think that's worth noting.

00:23:19.760 And the other thing is, when you talk about orders of spiritually powerful beings, it's easy to use the term gods.

00:23:31.900 And I bring this up because they're going to talk in their list of the Aesir and the gods, they mention Loki.

00:23:38.020 Like, oh, well, it clearly says Loki's a god, so why don't you guys worship Loki?

00:23:44.000 It recognizes that he is amongst the gods and he is of similar magnitude, of similar substance in that he has divine power or is, you know.

00:24:01.920 when we talk about the gods we tend to juxtapose them to something like there's gods and there's

00:24:10.660 demons or there's in different faiths in ours it doesn't quite work like that so when people see

00:24:17.700 loki amongst the gods yeah but not one that's worth worshiping or not one that's aligned with

00:24:26.040 the Aesir in a good way. He is a god of chaos. But very seldom do we see that term used for a

00:24:35.960 negative. So that's something to keep in mind here. We talk about, at the beginning of this list,

00:24:42.140 he lays out that there are 12 gods that are good for mankind to worship.

00:24:48.160 But then he lists 14. And so it takes a little bit of discernment.

00:24:52.060 um uh holder is in the list as one that the icier would prefer not have mentioned and

00:25:02.240 then we're finishing up here with number 14 being loki and that's just it goes into why

00:25:10.940 the afa talks about the order of the hoffs of 12 and why loki's left out there's some rationale

00:25:18.520 now when you're running the math and reading that list.

00:25:21.060 And I wanted to make that a little bit clear

00:25:22.680 before we got into the meat of today's text.

00:25:25.500 Also, before we get into the meat,

00:25:27.580 Gilbert, thank you so much.

00:25:28.780 You're awesome.

00:25:29.740 I donated $150 towards the heat at Thorshof

00:25:34.740 and towards Baldur's Steeple.

00:25:37.560 So thank you for that.

00:25:38.600 Much, much appreciated.

00:25:41.460 And Svon, whenever, you know,

00:25:43.320 I kind of jumped in when I thought I had a little bit.

00:25:46.120 So if you had more to go, please go with it.

00:25:47.920 if not, let's get into tonight's text. Yeah, I wanted to explain why we have

00:25:57.120 in our faith so clear defining observations of the masculine power of divinities and the feminine

00:26:07.860 power of divinities. And as we look beyond our realm, or our dimension, if you, whatever it might

00:26:18.900 be, the word use, is that these observations passed down to us, and we interact with through

00:26:31.300 the gift cycle um and our ancestors have in various ways we really only know um two one is the

00:26:41.060 the stories whether it was kvasir the first storyteller um who's you know walked the earth

00:26:49.380 or heimdoller or king galfi uh in this story um uh but we also have it in descendencies

00:26:58.340 so many european kings and european bloodlines uh link themselves back to the gods um whether it's

00:27:09.700 lord odin or holy frere um and i i actually believe there might be some more in there but

00:27:17.220 through time and through uh erasure they've been kind of removed but um

00:27:24.660 Um, yeah, the, the idea of focusing on the gods, especially as in this piece of literature,

00:27:33.900 it makes clear enough that I think folks coming to Ausatrub can clear out the millstrom of

00:27:42.500 information on the internet. And the true log mouth is the very tip of the spear as far as

00:27:49.560 hitting that mark um so when we move yeah when we move into um loki so 33 of loki lauver yarson

00:28:08.140 also numbered among the isir is he whom some call the mischief monger of the isir

00:28:19.560 And bear in mind, the way that this story is placed is the canonical suspense is that it is being told, but we know that the binding of Loki is already.

00:28:42.860 so it's not revealed out the gate because not everybody in the audience might know that

00:28:49.880 and it's a buildup of that suspense it's the whole point of the poetry and the storytelling

00:28:54.460 um but i'm going to give another example of um a little bit of linguistics and

00:29:01.640 storytelling that i think a lot of scholars don't think about and i promote our gothar

00:29:12.060 to look at the Old Norse language with this in mind.

00:29:17.520 They have a poetic mindset.

00:29:19.840 You see a lot of people just simply translate

00:29:22.680 and they're missing some key things.

00:29:25.520 So I wanted to show. 1.00

00:29:28.880 So, a mischief monger of the Aesir 1.00

00:29:36.400 and the first father of falsehoods 1.00

00:29:39.520 and blemish of all gods and men.

00:29:44.200 His name is Loki or Lopter, son of Faurbauti, the giant.

00:29:55.600 And his mother was Laufi or Naul.

00:30:01.800 His brothers, that throws a lot of people off too. 0.84

00:30:06.640 His brothers are Bileister and Helblindi.

00:30:14.620 So a couple of things about that.

00:30:19.000 When we talk about names and we talk about titles,

00:30:23.400 when we look at what their meanings are,

00:30:32.160 And then, of course, repetition is what we settle on. It is the same with Yggdrasil, you know, as the primary name of the tree.

00:30:45.600 But there's no expansion sometimes in the stories, but only mentionings.

00:30:54.520 And sometimes there are mentionings that may be grammatically wrong or confusing.

00:31:05.440 And obviously for the Auschwitz Folk Assembly, one of the big ones that is connected to theology is the son of Loki and the interpretation that there are two.

00:31:19.900 In reality, that is a grammatical error where it was confusing to read and seemed like, but is not fully confirmed in reading it, where Loki has a son and that he, the idea was for the longest time, people thought, oh, he has a second son named Vali.

00:31:44.020 because there's double naming often in the stories but the the if you break into it a little bit

00:31:55.440 deeper you realize what it is is it's vauli the god um is slaying the son of loki and when you

00:32:07.320 look at what we call reflective comparisons in mythos you see it almost immediately and so it's

00:32:13.560 substantiates itself. But here we have one that does show kind of a double naming.

00:32:23.420 Helblindi is a haiti utilized in just further up in the same writing. It is one of the haiti

00:32:36.760 for lord odin now we obviously know lord odin's genealogy that's deeply set so in this case you

00:32:48.340 can pretty much bet money this is a double naming kind of like how there could be multiple mics

00:32:57.680 um hell blendy though is an interesting like as it is a heighty for lord odin and a name

00:33:06.860 for loki's brother hell blendy hell death blind so the poetic part of this is that the name is

00:33:19.100 suggesting someone who is unaware of death, someone who death does not plague them.

00:33:29.800 If you were to give it, say, as a nickname or to someone, it would absolutely mean that

00:33:36.800 it doesn't matter what they do.

00:33:39.240 they are not afraid of or will completely ignore the finality and continue on with that kind of

00:33:51.500 boldness or craziness, if you will. Be Leister is interesting because it has a lot of different

00:34:02.700 theories um and one of them is is storm striker or um uh storm breaker uh which i don't know i think

00:34:15.900 that might be interesting considering like a jotain who's named after um trying to break lord thor

00:34:25.820 because of those adversarial positions but it's still uh kind of debated about what

00:34:33.900 you know we have a question in the chat that i want to go ahead and get to now because it's

00:34:39.020 relevant to the subject matter um are these actual names or more like epithets and

00:34:47.420 And what's conceptually, I think, really important, and we went through in the true

00:34:54.720 log model and gave like a translation of what each of the gods' names translates out to.

00:35:02.720 Because like, for example, today, and you can look it up, like a lot of people out of

00:35:13.820 curiosity look up name meanings and I think that's a neat step to do and it gives you a little bit on

00:35:19.540 the etymology but more often than not people name their children after loved ones or they name them

00:35:25.660 because it's a cool name and they like the sound and the mouthfeel of whatever the name is that's

00:35:32.860 very often the case and so we think of a lot of you know we think of names as names but all these

00:35:42.460 names originated as epithets or as descriptive words so um

00:35:55.180 you know i i guess albert like albright or edgar yeah so and i mean these things would um in

00:36:04.060 antiquity they would come about for it wasn't like you were necessarily born with them you would get

00:36:09.820 you would acquire a name through somebody attributing something to you um often you

00:36:17.020 know at the very origin point and that's why i think the names of the gods are particularly

00:36:22.780 important now i don't preclude that this could have happened but we have no reason to believe

00:36:27.980 that the gods you know approached some you know ancient hyperborean and said hi my name's odin

00:36:35.820 um be great if that happened and and i'm not saying that none of this came to them in some

00:36:42.480 kind of burst of inspiration or in a very clear form but i think more often than not these are

00:36:48.180 the names that are folk attributed to gods they came to know by the standout characteristics that

00:36:55.660 they came to know about those gods or they came to relate to those gods through and so that's why

00:37:02.620 you get the the names of the gods our titles just as much as their names because they're the thing

00:37:10.140 that our ancestors associated with that divine force that they had come to know this was their

00:37:15.900 standout characteristic and so what was attributed to them and it always sounds cooler when it's you

00:37:22.220 know in an archaic language um yeah you know my friend had had a dog growing up named savaka and

00:37:29.420 it sounded like a really cool name for a dog and it just means dog in russian so that was you know

00:37:35.740 that yeah they're they they are but it's good that you pick up on that they are absolutely names but

00:37:42.620 they came to be names because they are epithets um of the people that they are named if that makes

00:37:50.780 sense well and again the poetic titling uh it the other name laughter laughter means loft

00:38:03.020 like the living space on the upper half of a barn so uh a lot of people might why does that translate

00:38:13.260 to aloft and the poetic meaning of it is disconnected or lofty so and we can use that word

00:38:26.220 to describe someone is you know yeah they they're you know never truly embroiled in everything

00:38:33.340 they're doing or what we're they're never taking anything serious here they're very lofty when it

00:38:39.580 comes to all the business that we're doing here and that's the same kind of point the the uh

00:38:48.620 the poetic point of the name versus the direct translation and that's where you start to get

00:38:56.460 back into interpretation and why scholars who either just do a one for one or they have a like

00:39:05.100 a you know a plethora of theorem but from folks who believe folks who are of the religion you find

00:39:18.380 where and like what we're attempting to teach our gothar is about why these stories are why

00:39:27.900 these are being told is again it's poetic heroism with perennial truths and i would even argue

00:39:36.380 cosmic truths buried in them but we lose the point of that a lot of times and the reason why

00:39:45.420 the loft doesn't mean that he's literally the upper level of a barn it's because he's flighty

00:39:53.420 and uh non-committal if you will to the rest of the structure and that's the poetic language in it

00:40:02.220 all right before we continue i just want to say thank you isaac for your donation of 20

00:40:07.500 dollars to baldur's off much appreciated all right swan carry on okay so um

00:40:15.740 Um, that, uh, I did want to say to his father, 1.00

00:40:22.220 means far biter. 0.98

00:40:27.060 This could poetically mean archery.

00:40:32.600 Like if, if an archer was called foul, uh, you know, foul about the,

00:40:38.400 or if a bow was called foul about the, or an arrow that would very be, 0.81

00:40:44.300 that would be fitting in the sense that it is a far biter um i have come to the belief of um

00:40:57.500 very much like a um a comet or meteor of the utgard landing on an island laofy the leafy island

00:41:10.700 and thus creating the the being that is locked or loki but um you know again that's more of a

00:41:23.200 personal meditative and religious journey uh through the inner world that is um again about

00:41:33.620 storytelling and all of these things so sometimes in the stories that i tell i will explain or kind

00:41:41.700 of talk out these concepts that are not directly in the lore but are lent to by poetic names and

00:41:51.060 things like that um but loki is beautiful and calmly to look upon another point i wanted to

00:42:01.700 make this is a linguistic point so here loki is beautiful and calmly to look upon and the two

00:42:10.660 words are uh freedom or uh father or far now um whether the g is pronounced or not the word that

00:42:24.500 we have in english is fair but most people might be familiar with the word frieder the i is the

00:42:33.220 total difference if the i has a dot it's if the i has a a dash or an x i guess the next i mean uh um

00:42:44.820 like a canted dot then it's a double e sound and what that it doesn't mean peace or it doesn't

00:42:54.020 mean civility it means beauty so the the rhyming of that is of course that he is

00:43:03.860 beautiful and fair or freedom and fair um and this again poetically is being laid out as um

00:43:16.340 the pleasingness is deceptive

00:43:18.660 so um loki is beautiful and calmly to look upon evil in spirit very fickle in habit he surpassed

00:43:33.120 other men in that wisdom which is called slight like slight of hand or just a slight of actions

00:43:42.640 and had artifices for all occasions so he was armed with uh tools like a carpenter would be

00:43:54.720 for making a box or a boat um or a smith would have a hammer and anvil and like them his craft

00:44:05.160 was malicious his craft was to of trickery and any manner of that he had tools for and we see

00:44:14.520 that a little bit when uh loki steals sif's hair by breaking into her room he also breaks into um

00:44:26.280 to steal the necklace off of Holy Freya's neck.

00:44:37.300 But remember, a lot of this is about correlating cosmic and divine power

00:44:46.240 and connecting it to concepts and ideas that the folk would understand.

00:44:54.740 We have religions all over the world that have done that. And I would even argue that the concept of like a Messiah is the very same thing, humanizing the divine, except we don't humanize just this person is now one of the gods or this person became one of the gods.

00:45:22.200 We do it through our stories. The perennial truths within the story are buried over a story of entertainment and ones that have concepts that connect the gods.

00:45:38.180 When the gods build tools and they build temples to the gods, they don't build the temples to other gods.

00:45:46.260 It's that that's what men would do.

00:45:49.680 And that's how we connect with them. 1.00

00:45:54.920 So he would ever bring the Iser into great hardships and then get them out with crafty counsel.

00:46:06.940 this is another point that a lot of people try to say is for every bad thing that loki did he

00:46:15.780 always managed to pull them out or give some gift but the overarching point of that is

00:46:23.020 one begets the other and the end result whether it's total devastation or it's uh a shiny new

00:46:32.500 gift is brought about by the initial action of doing something wrong doing something deceptive

00:46:40.740 and that doesn't somehow negate um by a new a new treasure if you will um

00:46:52.180 i just want to make a point here now that you brought that up about the role that loki plays in

00:46:59.140 the evolution of the story in being the context by which the gods are able to get things and

00:47:12.940 accomplish things. People have a really strange relativist view about this now that doesn't hold

00:47:23.700 up. Every evil, every terrible thing, every enemy, every hardship, yes, it presents an

00:47:34.260 opportunity for someone to be a hero and to overcome it. But you praise the hero, not

00:47:41.240 the villain. Like you missed the point. Yes, it is heroic when our heroes accomplish great

00:47:48.080 things and overcome malignancy and the ugly and the evil you don't praise the evil you would

00:47:56.960 never think to do that we don't think to praise the enemy or the other team and i think when we

00:48:02.720 look at our lord it's important to keep that in mind we don't celebrate the wrongdoer we celebrate

00:48:09.040 those that overcome him and they overcome him to their net benefit which is fantastic

00:48:16.640 it's not because of him it's in spite of him they're able to overcome the

00:48:22.080 calamity that that he put them in um but yeah there's no there's no virtue in just and this

00:48:30.880 relates to our uh discussion earlier about androgyny there's no virtue in neutrality

00:48:40.240 there is virtue there's no virtue in being you know a girly man or a manly girl or there's

00:48:51.320 virtue in being a great man and a great woman there's virtue in being a hero and choosing

00:48:58.720 to be solidly on the side of good and of right and of nobility um there's no virtue in like

00:49:05.680 being objective about, you know, cancer is great because it's awesome when somebody is

00:49:14.080 able to overcome their cancer. No, cancer is terrible. And it is amazing that people are

00:49:19.880 able to hold up under it and sometimes to overcome it. But it doesn't make the malignancy.

00:49:25.640 It doesn't make the evil good. And I think a lot of people miss that point. And I think

00:49:33.180 sometimes they miss that point because they don't believe in the realness of the gods even though

00:49:40.780 they may say that they do you can't serve odin and frig in good faith and also have allegiance

00:49:54.380 with the murderer of their son you can't do that that's wrong and i think that it is so simple that

00:50:02.060 one has to be you know willfully trying not to get it because the most simple possible and that's

00:50:07.820 the reason that it's painted that way in our lord so that it is easily digestible and understandable

00:50:14.700 being having trough with the ice ear being also true necessitates you standing firmly against

00:50:23.020 the father of lies uh loki and it is it's it's obvious it is a strange thing when people want

00:50:33.180 to have him included in worship out of some kind of ambivalence or moral relevancy it's even

00:50:41.660 stranger when we have folks that want to specifically worship loki and that's still

00:50:48.140 a thing that we run into with people from time to time and it is almost always a very clear

00:50:59.100 sign of mental illness and a very troubled person that seeks that out everyone i know who

00:51:06.460 embraced that has been a person that their life and their mental health embodies chaos

00:51:12.700 and they have not had good fortune in their life and i think in most cases those that

00:51:21.260 worship or claim to worship loki and his children um

00:51:27.420 it's like it's like the kids that claim to be satanists they don't necessarily really believe

00:51:33.500 in it they're just trying to be edgy and i think in any faith system you have edgy people

00:51:38.540 And the outstreet version of Satanism would be the people that, you know, worship Loki or Fulmery or Jormungandr.

00:51:48.560 And I think the biggest point that anyone here should take is, again, this is not the figure in our religion is equated to, say, Satan.

00:52:05.820 Now, you know, we could go in about dualism and how Zoroastrianism started dualism with the idea of the access being between good and evil.

00:52:18.100 Our faith is between law and chaos, and that evil is a corruption. Chaos often begets evil, but corrupted law can also beget evil.

00:52:38.780 So there is a wider palette, I would say. But it also turns in the other direction where there can be a relenting of chaos for order and and almost beget goodness.

00:52:59.780 goodness um but i digress we'll go into it more um uh he gets them out with crafty council out of

00:53:10.180 the great hardships his wife is sigian which means the companion of victory um and their son singular

00:53:21.060 is nari or narvi and that's another reason why uh the connection to uh the uh that he has two sons

00:53:37.020 this was kind of a common interpretation was that he has two sons and one is vali and that the gods

00:53:43.320 magically turned vauli uh into a wolf to kill the other one um but when you look at the way our

00:53:51.880 stories work you see these mirroring you see cycles and mirroring and it would be then very

00:54:02.200 simple in the sense that uh the son of loki is slain by the son of lord odin and

00:54:13.080 that creates balance again um so

00:54:20.680 uh 34 of the children and the binding of fenris wolf

00:54:29.240 yet more children had loki anger boda the bringer of woe is what her name means

00:54:40.200 uh anger botha was the name of a certain giantess in jotunheim with whom and i i wanted to address

00:54:50.600 this too because i saw it earlier was the reason why he's using this in the past tense is not

00:55:00.840 defined by any sort of death or what have you i think it's also the writers themselves um

00:55:08.360 um kind of a almost subconscious you hemorrhization or putting the gods in the past versus now uh

00:55:19.720 for their for religious reasons or what have you it's small and it's very um kind of looked over

00:55:28.340 but that's partially i think the reason why they use that that uh text um angraboda was the name

00:55:37.460 of a certain giantist in jotunheim and with whom loki begat three children one was fenris wolf

00:55:47.620 uh fen meaning swamp or bog or also really like the moors um and it could be it's kind of like

00:55:59.780 the more at night because the more in the morning could be beautiful and silvery as the water kind

00:56:04.980 of evaporates out of the grass but at night terrifying uh this means to dwell so he is the

00:56:14.340 the more dweller wolf the second is yarmann gander now yarmann gander is the giant wand um and again

00:56:29.140 this is poetically leaning towards the idea that a wand or a staff is cylindrical and so are snakes

00:56:40.100 so it's a poetic name and if you will just like beowulf means bee wolf and bee wolf is actually

00:56:47.140 a bear there is so much poetic interpretation in our faith and in our culture that a lot of people

00:56:56.100 get very caught up on direct interpretations um that is the mid guard serpent and the third

00:57:05.540 is hell okay now i get all kinds of tingly like i just slammed a bunch of niacin

00:57:14.100 but whenever i see three it's a tripartite you know so if you're drinking the tripartite game

00:57:22.180 um i'm about to give you some you're gonna you're gonna get there quick uh we see this in all aryan

00:57:32.000 branches of mythos and it is about movement forward and we have the three just like we have

00:57:42.520 Adumla, Ganungagap, I mean, Yggdrasil and Ymir inside Ganungagap, there is another tripartite.

00:57:53.480 When we see Lord Odin, Vili, Vey, when we see, you know, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, or

00:58:00.920 Tears Day, Odin's Day, Thor's Day, there's that tripartite being built. And we have it here.

00:58:11.420 And again, I want you guys to pay attention to where, because just a little recap, in the tripartites, we have dynamicism, we have catalystic or catalystm, and then we have stasis.

00:58:27.740 and uh you're going to see it again and this is all from just observation but you're going to see

00:58:36.380 it again and you're also going to see where they go and into relation with the gods um the farther

00:58:45.100 away is the less and the one that comes right into the halls of the gods is the highest caliber

00:58:53.620 of danger. That's something worth noting. So, but when the gods had learned that this kindred

00:59:06.680 was nourished in Jotunheim, and when the gods perceived by prophecy that from this kindred

00:59:13.500 great misfortune should befall them, and since it seemed to all that there was a great prospect of 0.53

00:59:21.680 ill, first from the mother's blood and yet worse from the father's, then all fathers

00:59:31.160 sent God's thither to take the children and bring them to him.

00:59:36.800 One other thing to consider when they say perceived through prophecy, the poet is saying

00:59:45.020 this to an audience that understands the concept that the usage of so i would argue that this

00:59:55.020 lends to the theory that prophecy whether reading lots or omens or what have you was a common part

01:00:04.300 of society because it was relative enough to be mentioned and and even at this time when it was

01:00:11.980 written it was still understood um but lord ovin he uh through prophecy and through um just sheer

01:00:25.740 decree he tells some gods and it doesn't necessarily say himself or or what have you but he

01:00:33.500 sends the god some of the gods to take the children and bring them into the heavenly realm

01:00:38.700 so now they are bringing from the realm of uh dissolvement into the realm of order and they

01:00:47.580 will then be disseminated into the places they need to be again the gods of order taking elements

01:00:55.740 and placing them is kind of the reason why we always talk about them as gods of order

01:01:01.420 When they came to him straight away, he cast the serpent into the deep sea where he lies about all the land.

01:01:12.680 Now, we talked about cosmology and how our ancestors viewed the gods as not being disconnected, not somehow kind of floating above, but that the center of the world, there were mountains, the heavenly mountains.

01:01:27.900 Himenbjerg, and that's where the gods live. So it would not be so strange in the sense

01:01:35.820 that he casts the serpent into the water that surrounds the land. I mean, obviously now we know

01:01:45.420 the mountains are allegoric or spiritual in nature, that they are in the center of our world

01:01:52.660 and upwards but that there's not a geographical place unlike say like with the uh hellenics where

01:01:59.900 they they said like mount olympus um ours was more poetically ethereal and that's why cosmology

01:02:09.120 today when you see things you'll see uh the heavenly realm separate or all of the realms

01:02:16.880 kind of separate um so he throws jormungandr into the water where he lies about all the land

01:02:28.080 and this serpent grew so greatly that he lies in the midst of the ocean encompassing all the land

01:02:34.880 and bites upon his own tail okay first one stasis no moving or excuse me catalyst i got that wrong

01:02:49.680 i wanted it to be cool but i goofed um in the grabbing that means that in order for something

01:02:57.200 to happen you must let go and that is the catalyst and so catalystic uh gods are very close to uh

01:03:07.920 stasis and dynamicism uh but uniquely built around uh needing something to pass and these powerful

01:03:17.760 beings these uh these are jotnar are also in the same rules cosmic rules and so the biting of the

01:03:28.480 tail is the immediate indicator this is the catalystic um so then uh hell he cast into niflheim

01:03:42.320 Niflheim is where Helgarder is. Much like the heavenly realm, Ausgarder is in the heavenly realm.

01:03:58.020 Now we're starting to see that mirroring again. Both of them have a bridge. One is very hard to

01:04:04.600 get into because it's a fiery bridge that disappears, Bivrost. And then we have the

01:04:11.620 bridge into Helgard, which is wide and ever inviting because of death. So we see these

01:04:18.660 mirrorings going on. And he gave to her power over all the nine worlds to appropriation,

01:04:30.480 all abodes among those that were sent to her, that is, men dead of sickness or of old age. 0.61

01:04:39.760 She has great possessions there, her walls are exceedingly high, and her gates are great.

01:04:46.120 So she becomes the custodian of the soul complex that moves on into her realm on what

01:04:59.860 is kind of described as the edge of Niflheim. And there she keeps. So the halls of the ancestors. But

01:05:07.660 in order for ancestors to be made, what must happen is the erosion, the calamity of man,

01:05:17.780 sickness, and all of these things. And death is always seen as the cold, the dark,

01:05:25.580 the mysterious so you will always find poetically these kind of words associated and you'll get

01:05:33.980 christians who are like oh i couldn't imagine uh going to this place in your afterlife um because

01:05:41.720 they have a literalism to their religion and oftentimes they mess it up they don't realize

01:05:48.900 like the lake of fire is actually like in yahweh's uh bachelor pad side room um according to how it's

01:05:59.380 written they they but they take this kind of literalism where as we are looking at the poetic

01:06:04.820 language death is cold death is dark and death is shadow and lament so all of these things connected

01:06:16.580 to her you should be thinking in poetic um now uh she has great possessions there her walls are

01:06:27.780 exceedingly high which means great protection and her gates are strong so the souls of men

01:06:39.300 as decreed by Lord Odin are brought to her and her custodianship

01:06:46.440 and given a great place of protection.

01:06:51.940 Now her hall is called sleet cold.

01:06:56.260 Her dish is hunger.

01:06:59.000 Famine is her knife. 0.97

01:07:01.520 Idler is her thrall and sloven. 1.00

01:07:04.320 Her maidservant, the pit of stumbling. 0.99

01:07:07.820 her threshold by which one, or excuse me, Slavin, her maidservant. The pit of stumbling, 0.95

01:07:15.940 her threshold by which one enters. That's again, poetic. The moment that someone

01:07:22.620 starts tripping up. They were young, they were youthful, and now they're starting to

01:07:31.040 drop a step or forget something is the the aging is coming um

01:07:41.940 disease is her bed gleaming bale her bed hangings she is half blue black and half flesh color by 0.96

01:07:57.680 which she is easily recognized and very lowering and fierce. So another thing, since we were 1.00

01:08:09.420 talking about catalyst, now we see the indication of what would be like a central point where all

01:08:20.300 powers that go through the world are emanating from that powerful spot and that is stasis

01:08:30.760 um the not moving from there and going forth she is static so we have static catalyst and now we

01:08:42.040 have the third all right well so i lied probably not going to finish tonight we're not making the

01:08:53.180 progress necessary to finish tonight most likely we'll see that's fine because this is one that i

01:08:59.420 really don't want to rush so it'll take as long as it takes but i do want to get some questions

01:09:06.760 uh now we're about an hour in so from some of our newest apprentices uh in wisconsin

01:09:16.760 in the baldershoff district johan and miranda shottenforst uh is wicca considered a native

01:09:24.360 european religion what differentiates wicca from ancestry thank you so

01:09:38.920 i think wicca is something that

01:09:41.480 I'm trying to think the way I want to put it. I think that when the crazies outnumber the serious

01:10:00.240 people by a certain percentage for a certain amount of time, it delegitimizes something

01:10:08.280 that I don't think was always ridiculous.

01:10:18.820 I'm sure that we will, and again, please,

01:10:21.800 I hope that people, I hope that any Wiccans

01:10:24.040 who are listening to this

01:10:25.420 appreciate the nuance that I'm trying to provide to it.

01:10:31.040 I think in general, Wicca is 1.00

01:10:34.240 eclectic silliness nonsense that isn't very serious and that is based on 1.00

01:10:43.440 ignorance and showboating and 1.00

01:10:48.360 silly girls at Hot Topic. Now, I don't think that's all people who practice Wicca. I don't 1.00

01:10:59.740 think that's the founders of wicca per se i think there was an effort there made in the early days

01:11:07.260 to honestly be inspired and i don't even want to say like it's not druidism like druidism

01:11:19.500 but in the 20th century it but it was sort of an evolution of that in a way at least

01:11:27.380 um at least in spirit or in intention and i think a lot of

01:11:32.700 the celtic revivalism that took place early on in that had good intentions i think they suffer

01:11:41.080 in a lot of ways from a lack of source material and end up

01:11:46.220 end up co-opting a lot of other european magical tradition other um like just medieval european

01:12:00.700 like high magical stuff which i'm not even saying is wrong but i think it gets shuffled

01:12:06.860 in in a way that's not really a honest or a straightforward acknowledgement of what it is

01:12:15.020 And again, at the time that it was founded and got started in its popularity, I don't

01:12:21.580 think there was access to a lot of information that we have now.

01:12:25.260 But I think over the last 50 or 60 years, it's become unrecognizable gobbledygook nonsense.

01:12:40.020 will say this because it is a more popularized i think a wider known form of paganism in the general

01:12:50.260 milieu of the 1990s and early 2000s i know that a lot of really great people have come to

01:12:58.100 alsatru that started out being wicked and i think their intentions were good they you know were

01:13:04.500 looking for something they were aware of things that weren't quite right and it was a gateway to

01:13:10.340 bring them towards what we're doing and i'm really thankful for that i don't think everyone in

01:13:14.340 practices wicca is ridiculous or bad intentioned um but i do think that's the majority of it is

01:13:25.940 is really poorly done and so i think it originally was an attempt at a native european religion

01:13:34.500 i don't think it is at all that now because it has no focus on ethnos on folk it has all

01:13:40.740 kind of eclecticism it frequently brings in all manner of any kind of world spirituality that

01:13:50.260 i don't know is cool and trendy and sells t-shirts and chokers and black nail polish um

01:13:59.060 so i i really don't think it's very legitimate now but i do think

01:14:02.100 like gardner when he started out that was the intention of it and i think there's an element

01:14:07.620 of that if we're talking about like 1960s wicca but i don't think that's the case right now um

01:14:14.660 what differentiates it from alsatru

01:14:18.740 most everything um the similarity okay so i think it'd be easier to say what are the similarities

01:14:24.900 between that and how it's true the similarities are it is a rejection of christianity um it is an

01:14:34.660 embracing of polytheism but again it depends there's a reductionist strain in wicca it's where

01:14:41.240 everything is really just an emanation of the goddess and the god and then even at that they'll

01:14:49.480 reduce it further to where the god is born through the goddess. So it's all just some mother goddess

01:14:55.020 figure. So again, it's all over the place. It depends. I wish I had more positive to say about

01:15:05.760 it. I think that it's, I think that it is overtly pagan in the fact that it's not Christian. I think 0.94

01:15:11.920 that it tends to, at least on the entry level, embrace polytheism and an individual personality

01:15:21.640 for a variety of different divine forces, which is cool. I think it encourages a look

01:15:30.200 at history, and we have a shared love of history. I think those are the points of similarity.

01:15:36.760 and because they embrace all these different gods and goddesses they often will

01:15:44.120 learn something about our gods and goddesses and the sincere ones will give them

01:15:50.060 a form of devotion that that i can respect and appreciate

01:15:55.080 but i think that's in a milieu of you know many other diverse gods and goddesses with no relation

01:16:04.560 and isn't handled the best but that's what i would say the points of crossover where they're

01:16:09.600 relevant are spawn do you have anything to add to that any thoughts yeah i think it's a vehicle for

01:16:15.120 quasi hermetic fraternities i think that there was uh like you said in the beginning there was an

01:16:23.040 intent to create a a revival of practices that come from uh native english specifically uh traditions

01:16:38.320 um but it also carried with it things that had nothing to do with uh anglo-saxon elder english

01:16:48.800 traditions um and so as it went along it of course also began to gather um people who were

01:16:59.920 against christianity for whatever reasons usually in like some sort of youthful rebellion

01:17:06.880 and what they also brought with it was their politics and so um the divinity was lost and

01:17:15.680 And everything became about the feminism of it or the sexual liberation of it or what have you, which is another reason why I think as a faith or as a religion, their turnover rate is extremely high and their substantiation of what they're doing. 0.89

01:17:41.720 And generally, any elders in that religion are crazy cat ladies, for a lack of a better word. I know that's kind of mean, but in the end, what I think is interesting is the stuff that they were trying to revitalize, the Anglo-Saxon elder traditions of the folks that were farmers, 0.60

01:18:10.300 The people that knew herb lore or wart craft and knew all of that stuff, they ended up focusing more so and they rejected the idea of English because, again, English to them is colonialism.

01:18:26.440 So they've even tried to say that it's actually Irish because that's a white that passes the victim color or victim bar.

01:18:39.860 But the reality is that Gardner was pulling from the admixture of Gaelish or Gallic religion from like Druidism and then Anglo-Saxon farming culture with wart craft and leech craft and vich craft, the very act of twisting thread and reading omens in it.

01:19:06.840 And I think that that was really good, but it immediately falls off and it starts to accumulate so easily. Oh, I'm just going to incorporate post-Catholic Italian hermeticism, or I'm going to just incorporate Egyptian stuff because it's cool.

01:19:34.260 And that's kind of the motivation for a lot of it. And it goes forward from there. And that's not forward. It goes forward and down from there. But yeah, I don't think it's a native European religion. It is. It was ignited by native European religions, but then quickly fell off.

01:19:57.940 So the follow-up to that question, do you think it tends to lean toward misandry, Satanism, Luciferianism?

01:20:10.920 No, because I think, well, okay.

01:20:15.300 Those words have different meanings.

01:20:18.160 Does it lean towards man-hating hyperfeminism? Absolutely.

01:20:25.060 Does it lead towards, I mean, I guess because they're so eclectic, they could literally include Satan in their Wicca practice.

01:20:38.340 But no, I think those are two different currents that tend to overlap in a strange.

01:20:44.920 I've seen people do that too.

01:20:46.440 In a strange, like, degenerate subculture.

01:20:52.640 But I think you have, I think in Satanism and Luciferianism, which tends to be high-minded Satanism, is like that has a more masculinity to it, whereas Wicca has far more femininity to it.

01:21:16.980 And I think you have elements of the Satanists that have a wider spread across the political spectrum, whereas I think Wicca leads you very dramatically and very quickly, very far left.

01:21:34.520 i think satanism has a strange undercurrent of misguided like misguided people who claim to be

01:21:44.440 fascists in some way without really understanding what that means um i think you have a different

01:21:51.920 political strip of spread i think you have a little bit different social spread but i do

01:21:55.940 think they shop at the same stores um topic no yes fawn do you have any i say that i don't go

01:22:03.860 the mall i don't know if malls are things i don't know if hot topics a thing i'm an old man talking

01:22:08.660 about my 1990s experiences it's like getting anime nowadays that's all it is

01:22:16.900 well i mean i think one of the big things to consider is um the people that pedal

01:22:24.740 that sell the idea of resisting against the man whatever form that might be

01:22:32.020 um when we look at even the founding fathers were talking about it they were masons everyone thinks

01:22:40.680 oh they're mason evil but even they talked about the illumitarians or the illuminati and i i'm not

01:22:47.480 gonna because now that that word has become kind of joke but even they were saying they're going

01:22:54.040 to infiltrate our fraternity and twist it, what ends up happening is, is that these kind

01:23:01.280 of against authority people, whether spiritually, mentally or physically, they enter into places

01:23:14.220 and they peddle off ideas.

01:23:16.280 And those ideas are terrible. And I think any large group or religion would have to deal with that. It's not based on or it doesn't validate the religion. It's just simply the language, the religion speaks.

01:23:33.280 speaks so luciferian satanism all that stuff that's just the language of these

01:23:42.160 peddlers these uh anti these contrarians these loki's if you will if we want to use the language

01:23:49.440 of our religion um the kind of in but not really in secretly eroding um does it lead to that i think

01:24:00.960 more often than not it leaves their atheists when they become wicca um and then they remain atheists

01:24:09.280 after they stop doing whatever they're doing you know they're they're doing these deeply uh super

01:24:16.240 nature rituals while smoking cigarettes because it was just i think that one of the things that

01:24:23.360 defines all of those things mentioned is their their negative definition so one of the things

01:24:34.880 that i'm very proud of one of the just linguistically why we refer to ourselves as

01:24:39.680 ausitru is because of the things that we are pro the things that we are in support of the things

01:24:47.440 we are loyal to the icer we are pro-white we are pro uh heterosexual families we are pro

01:24:56.240 we have a lot of things that we are really pro that we are actively supported actively um

01:25:05.680 hold as values that we seek to build other oh and the the afa one things that initially drew me to it

01:25:13.600 But aside from the obvious benefit, like folkism is the right way to go.

01:25:21.960 Universalism is obviously not.

01:25:24.320 But the other thing is the other team always just talks about everything they don't like.

01:25:30.440 You know, everything.

01:25:31.340 We will not tolerate any bigotry.

01:25:33.580 We will not tolerate any discrimination on gender or on handicaps.

01:25:38.840 We'll not be ableist.

01:25:40.440 We will not stand.

01:25:43.600 They define themselves by all the things they don't like.

01:25:46.200 And I think that that's a force you see in Wicca and in Satanism and in all those things in between is, I mean, literally Satan, you know, means the adversary. 0.78

01:25:57.040 That is what they do. 0.68

01:25:59.680 They are the the anti, the opposite, the negation of order and structure and things. 1.00

01:26:06.800 And that's why I think you see the immediate and very quick feminism, like toxic feminine nonsense with Wicca, because they perceived an overwhelming and negative patriarchy so quick. 0.99

01:26:26.440 Let's go as far as we can the other direction as hard as we can. 0.99

01:26:31.540 Man, we don't like, you know, Christians. 1.00

01:26:33.720 Christians look nice. 0.99

01:26:34.760 Let's try to look scary with the Satanists. 0.91

01:26:37.560 Man, Christians, you know, are nice to each other. 1.00

01:26:39.680 Let's be jerks. 1.00

01:26:40.800 Man, Christians, you know, take baths. 1.00

01:26:43.460 Let's stink. 1.00

01:26:44.820 Man, Christians have jobs. 1.00

01:26:47.000 Let's not. 1.00

01:26:49.020 You know, man, Christians move out of their parents' homes. 1.00

01:26:51.520 Let's stay in mom's basement. 1.00

01:26:53.000 Like, whatever the thing is, they define themselves about how not that they are.

01:26:58.540 And they don't fill it up with a positive, this is what we are.

01:27:02.380 And I think that when you're just negating whatever the thing is that's prevalent in the society that you're in, you get different forms of that, and you get all of these edgelord adorners of couches that end up in this drain that they collect at, and that's where you get those overtness.

01:27:26.240 Go ahead.

01:27:27.000 The overtness of some groups, when we define ourselves as also true, trothful to the gods, we are loyal to the gods, we move forward in our own way, and there is absolutely people that could come into the faith and utilize our separated language, cosmology, philosophy, and the bigger we get, the more it will definitely happen.

01:27:54.200 But when you look at other groups and you look at, say, someone who is trying to deteriorate the family structure of a nation or a group of people, they will utilize that language.

01:28:11.060 And I often say, I've seen it a lot on the internet where people will say, oh, the synagogue of Satan, but they're totally forgetting that the reversal of that is the synagogue of Yahweh.

01:28:25.320 And either way, you're in a synagogue and two sides of the same coin and the coins clipped. But you end up, when you remove yourself out of there and understand that divinity does not place itself in the encapsulation of that worldview, that's one where you find a world affirming faith in Ausatru.

01:28:49.940 You return back and reconnect with your ancestors where in that tradition, once they're dead, they're gone.

01:29:00.740 And no matter what level of goodness your grandma was, if she didn't follow these rules and reach the covenant or the contract that was laid out long before her birth, then she's going to a bad place.

01:29:17.000 We don't have that. So moving that away and saying, no, no, no, that sphere or encapsulation of worldview is uniquely Semitic, is uniquely Middle Eastern and not a part of us. And we're over here and we're not defining ourselves based on that. 0.63

01:29:35.340 If you want to be in the synagogue of Yahweh, if you want to be in the synagogue of Satan, fine. 0.76

01:29:40.180 That's like the whole Job story is, you know, Yahweh and one of the Hasatans are elbow to elbow drinking at a bar saying how I'm going to mess up this guy's life. 0.92

01:29:50.700 It's a bet. It's a gamble. It's on them. 0.99

01:29:52.800 But when you get out of that and you come home, you come to the faith of your people and then you realize the relationship with the divine is different.

01:30:01.520 It's dynamic. Life is to be embraced.

01:30:05.240 there are things that you have to get rid of from over there but it's a processes and i think that's

01:30:12.280 overarching that's what we're doing that's what our church is doing this is our purpose

01:30:17.640 is to bring people home clean out some of the bad misconceptions that people have and rebuild

01:30:25.240 a new life with connection to the gods connection to your ancestors and you're

01:30:31.800 embroiled in the very fabric the very threads of fate or orlaw around you and then once you get there

01:30:42.760 it's about deeds and making great deeds and attaining a better self and you know attaining

01:30:50.440 a better self for your folk so absolutely completely completely go into a different uh

01:31:00.360 train of thought when you move to jackson county will you be opening up a barber shop

01:31:07.880 and what's a man's regular shortcut go for these days okay um one uh yeah have razor will travel

01:31:19.960 um barbers don't retire they just cut till their hands but will you have a storefront uh

01:31:28.760 A storefront? I don't know. Nowadays, especially after COVID, the idea of having a storefront open has kind of gotten shaky. A lot of times there's a more of like a scheduling service where you can schedule appointments and work things out through there, whether it's advertised or word of mouth is entirely

01:31:56.080 You can't put a spinny barber pole on a scheduling appointment service.

01:32:01.320 No, but there is one at the shop.

01:32:05.180 But the other thing is, well, ever since there was that kind of blanketed shutdown during COVID,

01:32:15.700 and a lot of people wanted barbers to come and do the mobile barber.

01:32:20.120 Yeah, so I was going to say, you should get an ice cream truck. 0.99

01:32:22.760 and put those barber poles on the side.

01:32:27.020 You're hyper-focused on this barber pole.

01:32:29.440 Yes.

01:32:31.460 Yes. 0.97

01:32:32.560 And we'll open up the sausage factory right next door.

01:32:37.480 What?

01:32:38.280 Wait, what?

01:32:39.940 That's not a nowhere.

01:32:41.200 Did I get my sweetie Todd joke?

01:32:43.740 No.

01:32:44.240 Oh, yeah.

01:32:44.920 No, I've never actually seen that.

01:32:47.240 Not big into musicals myself.

01:32:48.940 So, um, but, um, one of the big things is, um, when you, when you're, I guess, uh, cutting

01:33:00.240 hair mobile, you have to deal with an environment that you're not always a hundred percent sure

01:33:05.460 of the lighting, et cetera.

01:33:07.140 So it's always better to have kind of a set stable place.

01:33:10.580 And I got the inspiration from a barber in New York who had a single room, lower level barbershop that was only open by those who, I guess, word of mouth.

01:33:26.140 And he ended up becoming the like barber for a bunch of Italian mafioso guys.

01:33:32.340 and all of them would go there and even though they might be uh griping with each other uh it

01:33:39.620 was that neutral ground that you know you you would go and see this guy and he was just by

01:33:45.820 himself there was no other barbers you didn't have to deal with local folks or or uh you know

01:33:51.920 just walk in riffraff or whatever um but i will answer the question too about the common price it

01:33:59.220 depends on where you're at. But after COVID, the general idea is you'll see a haircut between 20

01:34:07.120 to 25, which is considered on the low end, unless you're going to great clips, which is really just

01:34:13.360 beauticians getting out of school and they need a job and they want to go and cut women's hair, 1.00

01:34:21.620 but they can't right away. So they're just going to, um, slog on, on men. Um, and you just end up 0.99

01:34:29.200 getting subpar haircuts because they don't know how to do razors. They don't know how to do fades.

01:34:33.880 Um, and then you, you move up into a lot of the Instagram kind of area. And in that Instagram,

01:34:43.280 super cool, high profile hustling barber, you might find a haircut in the $30 to $60 range.

01:34:55.900 And then at the other end of that window, you've got expensive private barbers, some of them

01:35:02.040 working for high profile clients and they build a reputation and they're doing $100, $200 haircuts

01:35:10.360 on, you know, like, oh, I, you know, I gave that, that haircut at the concert, Kanye's haircut or

01:35:17.160 whatever. And they utilize that in their portfolio. Or the other thing you find is the female,

01:35:22.900 uh, the beauticians or cosmo, uh, cosmetologists at, um, uh, super cuts, they go through this whole 0.99

01:35:34.060 spectrum of doing women's hair and making this money and they, they don't like it. And they

01:35:39.240 end up kind of retiring coming back and cutting men's hair now they have a lot more experience

01:35:44.080 and that's why when you go to these places like um what is it sports clips or uh football 1.00

01:35:50.260 cuts or whatever it is and you go in there it's like the older women know how to cut

01:35:55.320 the hair the younger women will rub up against you you'll get a crappy haircut but for a 1.00

01:36:00.660 brief moment you can act like um or they'll scratch your head in the in the shower uh

01:36:07.160 kind of stuff but real barbers and especially folk barbers are a a dying breed the we are a unicorn

01:36:19.000 um with the many of the things that were destroyed in the 60s one of them was you

01:36:24.600 know vidal susun came over and men have long hair now and women have pixie cuts and they can all go

01:36:33.160 to salons and strip malls that's the thing you need to my barber my barber that was a thing he 1.00

01:36:42.680 would get a lot of the uh of the lesbians would like to go there because they would like to get 1.00

01:36:47.960 the same haircuts that we would like to get right um so that's the thing i was getting my haircut

01:36:56.280 in reno for 40. he was really cool though he always kept my prices low he like i was grandfathered in

01:37:03.640 at 35 but the cut would cost 40. um i'm shopping for a new barber at this point barber on screen

01:37:14.440 next to me is supposed to cut my hair tomorrow night but we'll see when we all get on site

01:37:18.120 it's happening but uh well and that's another thing is the uh the the communities we have

01:37:24.280 like iraqi barbers or middle eastern barbers now coming in and their barber tradition has

01:37:32.040 been really good because it's been uninterrupted uh black barbers obviously their whole culture

01:37:37.480 they have the the conversation at the black barber shop and everybody hanging out uh hispanic

01:37:42.600 barbers but folk people have lost that and so one of the big things i was thinking about doing

01:37:50.600 was more about possibly creating a school and teaching our folk how to cut hair 0.89

01:37:58.120 so that they can go out into the world and make money and cut hair.

01:38:05.240 Well, that is a noble goal.

01:38:07.660 I think the ice cream truck with the barber pole, you get bright lights in the back

01:38:11.620 so you can get the setup that you want.

01:38:13.160 You just roll up.

01:38:13.960 You open up that back door.

01:38:15.480 I'm joking. I'm going to keep bothering you about that. You haven't heard the last

01:38:22.980 of this. So, how long do you think the Trulog model will eventually be? I don't know. So,

01:38:31.460 okay, a couple of things about the concept. It's a living document, so it will expand

01:38:37.500 and stuff over time, but I don't want to, the intention of it is for it to be simply

01:38:47.800 and straightforwardly presented to where people can get the very fundamentals of what our beliefs

01:38:54.960 are. I'd like, I think that we absolutely do need to write more position treatises on what our

01:39:03.200 points of dogma are on specific issues and i'd like to do more of that over time the true logma

01:39:09.760 although is for the longest time there was this vagary involved in aussitry where we didn't have

01:39:18.720 any clear-cut expression of what it means and when people new people or existent

01:39:26.320 i'm sure i would ask you get this plethora of different winding answers that were not very

01:39:34.640 clear i wanted to make it very clear and concise the very fundamentals of our faith taking it

01:39:40.320 through creation up to modern times with the fundamental beliefs of the australian folk

01:39:45.600 assembly and so that will certainly you know grow and take shape and hopefully be perfected over

01:39:51.920 time i don't know how long it will be i think that there will be supplemental documents to it

01:39:59.120 that can expand on points a lot more and i think the the room for that is infinite um i also think

01:40:05.920 you know adding other yeah adding other elements to it as additional addendums additional things

01:40:14.080 that you know could go along with it but aren't part of the same thing that's sky's the limit on

01:40:20.400 that um uh svan if you would address isn't loki blood brothers with odin though

01:40:34.880 uh so there is uh on the general right out the gate yes by interpretation of all

01:40:44.480 things there is that they mixed blood together there are some folks who have brought up the

01:40:52.560 theory that what if it meant that they um slayed enemies together and that therefore they they

01:41:00.960 spilled blood together um and that that might be but as of you know it just and again this is

01:41:10.160 um working through more the translation parts um yes and that's what makes the the the um

01:41:19.680 the slaying of balder all the more that's why oftentimes he's referred to as the kinslayer

01:41:28.760 because a kinslayer is one of the worst things that you can do you know if if your brother

01:41:36.180 attacks you in violence and you defend yourself that's one thing but if you slay your brother

01:41:43.380 in the trust that you guys have as a family that's kinslaying that's terrible um and in this case it

01:41:51.780 is the same so even all the actions where people will say oh you know loki brought all these gifts

01:41:59.140 loki did this loki but loki also killed his blood brother's son and did it in a conniving way he

01:42:07.700 did it over the shoulder or behind another and so and there's a lot of meta-narrative in there the

01:42:16.020 the the uh the outsider brought in and you know given trust but grows malicious and then ends up

01:42:24.340 slaying um your you know your son um but yes uh absolutely like absolutely uh the connection

01:42:39.140 between them that that blood was spilt between them and that toasts would ring out for both now

01:42:48.180 a lot of people read that and they wonder oh is there some sort of religious connotation that

01:42:53.660 somehow at a temple to lord odin in the past they would uh drink and toast lord odin but then also

01:43:02.560 have to toast loki that i don't think is the case i think this is again poetically showing that they

01:43:09.760 are deeply conjoined it's also more interesting when you think about it um the mentioning or at

01:43:19.040 least the surviving of loki is not present in the anglo-saxon or germanic but yet at the same time

01:43:27.520 the old norse is the biggest and most complete corpus of lore so to say that non-existence is

01:43:39.340 evidence that it's not you know not important that is not the correct way to think about it

01:43:47.020 In reality, we do. It is the biggest corpus of lore. So I think that would have more gravity to indicate. But yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes is the answer for that.

01:44:04.880 would satan and loki be drinking buddies um i just went i don't i don't know that like

01:44:15.920 other dimensionally it functions in like a diverse society where satan and loki are like

01:44:24.880 finding themselves in the same bar somewhere i think that would be a an odd situation and i know

01:44:31.380 it's a question in jest. But one of the things that people try to find with our lore is like a

01:44:39.620 connection between, man, don't you think that maybe the Jews are really this element from the

01:44:46.280 lore? Didn't the lore really refer to the Jews when they said this thing? Or are Africans this

01:44:54.580 thing or no it's a self-contained system that really is at the same time the most respectful of

01:45:03.940 true diversity position but also the most folkish position is no our mythos has nothing to do with

01:45:12.260 these completely distinct groups of people that have nothing to do with us and they're completely

01:45:19.140 and totally separate and imagine and yes in the world that we live in today we certainly there's

01:45:23.780 overlap as far as interaction and stuff that's where we live in and that's whatever

01:45:29.220 but that's not reflected in our lord our ancestors didn't view the the brotherhood of all you know

01:45:36.340 earth font no it was mankind meant arian people and the same is true of other tribes you'll find

01:45:44.020 that indigenously most often or very often you will find the name that people refer to themselves

01:45:51.140 as like we're the people very often it means the people arian is interesting and it means

01:45:59.780 the noble people the shining people the noble people but it usually means the people

01:46:06.580 when thomas jefferson said you know all men are created equal while owning slaves he didn't think

01:46:14.500 that all variants of earth fauna are the same thing he thought no mankind equals you know

01:46:25.380 european men men like us and that's that's a very common understanding from everyone's perspective

01:46:33.940 historically um i was also um i was gonna say which one a lot of christianity based ideas which

01:46:44.100 again, Europeans who've been lied to, and they believe Christianity is a whole religion unto

01:46:50.780 itself, but it isn't. It's a subsect of Judaism. The word Satan, hasatan, means slanderer or 0.55

01:46:58.580 adversary, and there's multiples. And so, which one? Which hasatan? And I'm just joking, but

01:47:10.500 But again, you know, the whether I guess the real name, like what is it?

01:47:18.740 Hillel Ben Shakar is like the Aramaic and Hebrew name for the original Malak that turned against Yahweh. 0.97

01:47:30.100 And I use these words because the more you use them, the more you realize how distant and strange the religion is. 0.94

01:47:39.380 And so there are multiple Hasatans or Satans in their religion, not just one. And again, they don't really want to talk about that. So they singularized evil from Judaism and ancient Judaism into Christianity. 0.97

01:47:59.860 they singularized evil and then they multiplied divinity into three they made a tripartite you 0.87

01:48:06.180 guys already know my feelings on on that because they were in europe long enough they needed to

01:48:11.300 make one so um the afa's position that also true is hard dualist absolutely austral is

01:48:25.060 certainly hard dualist but i think that

01:48:30.420 i think that people's definition of hard duality might be different we don't exclude

01:48:41.620 things that are in between that but there is certainly good and certainly evil those things

01:48:51.780 exist as as like all black or all white there are great there is gray area in the middle there are

01:48:58.820 plenty of of beings and and people that are you know varying degrees of things but yes there are

01:49:05.620 forces of good and of order versus the bad malignant forces of chaos and destruction

01:49:14.500 and that that duality defines our loyalty to the isir and how we see the world and how we see 0.72

01:49:23.860 our place in the world

01:49:28.820 What is the difference between perennial truths and cosmic truths? Svon, how would you frame that?

01:49:38.440 Svon, perennial truths are tidal in their nature. They're part of, say, natural laws.

01:49:47.140 Natural laws are inescapable from the flow of reality. They rise and they fall.

01:49:55.020 The fact that, let's say a story that is spoken falls in and out of favor, like a tide, but every time it's brought up to tide and people are looking at it, they see these truths in there.

01:50:12.080 That's a perennial truth. It happens every cycle as it turns. Cosmic truths are truths that are not susceptible to rise and fall, but simply are, and they're overarching.

01:50:30.340 And oftentimes, I would say that anyone who proclaims to know the totality of a cosmic truth is being very deceptive, because cosmic truths by their very nature are something more or less like the cosmos, observable, but not fully understood.

01:50:50.140 but there are the the the building blocks of of divinity um whether it's dimensionality whether

01:50:58.760 it's um the the overarching truth of good and evil and that's another thing that i think

01:51:05.140 we people get confused in when i say oh well we're looking at chaos and law now you got

01:51:12.200 chaos and law but good and evil and chaos and law is this cyclical nature sometimes between each

01:51:20.580 other but evil is always evil and good is always good so there you see kind of a difference

01:51:28.620 between the two is that one is can be cyclical in nature um oftentimes and when we talk about

01:51:37.220 say like a perennial truth is that in that cycle upon observation or inclination that truth remains

01:51:46.580 consistent even though perhaps it might not be visible at times um but it could be something

01:51:53.940 also too connected to a cycle like everything must die so if everything must die that is a

01:52:02.340 uh cosmic truth or cosmic order that is often a perennial truth as well because we only think

01:52:12.580 about it every now and then but when we do it is the truth maintained um so again i think it's

01:52:20.740 it's almost kind of like the difference between observable truth within the cosmos and conceptual

01:52:31.620 Truths that remain despite cognition and what level of cognition we are attempting to be at.

01:52:43.020 I think it's one of those questions that it depends who asks them and everybody applies different meanings to each of those words.

01:52:53.980 And I think fundamentally they often mean the same thing.

01:52:59.460 anytime truth is involved we end up talking about absolutes and i think we add different modifiers

01:53:07.780 to like elevate but no this is the best of the truths or like this truth is above other truths

01:53:13.460 or whatever and i think we all do that but i think that you could have the same people referring to

01:53:20.020 the same things as parental perennial truths and cosmic truths what i think etymologically a

01:53:26.100 difference is is perennial addresses time and timelessness whereas cosmic addresses

01:53:38.180 um like a spatial relationship that cosmic truths are higher than terrestrial truths

01:53:47.380 like cosmic truths are these bigger and higher order of truths whereas perennial truths are

01:53:56.340 continually recurring true throughout history true throughout time they're timeless in the

01:54:02.420 nature of their truth i'd say that's the difference but i think they become synonymous with

01:54:10.500 you know truths that are consistently well attested that are you know the super duper truths

01:54:15.940 aren't you afraid that non-focused heathenry is growing uh faster than focused spawn what say you

01:54:29.320 is it um in the internet age i think it's easy for people to say that we've got lots of members

01:54:37.800 because we've got lots of followers on our internet page but you know people showing up

01:54:44.760 and the reclamation and construction of Hoffs

01:54:52.780 and people actually participating in deed.

01:54:56.640 Again, it kind of goes back to what we were talking about with the Wiccans.

01:55:00.480 A lot of times these people will go in as a trend

01:55:03.920 and come out very much the same as when they went in

01:55:08.060 or sometimes they have some total rejection,

01:55:10.860 become, you know, fervent Christians because of whatever bad experiences they might have had

01:55:19.600 during that tryst. But the reality is, is I think that like folkish Ausatru is, it's constant

01:55:31.160 And it's not being outpaced by non-folkish Germanic heathenry, because again, they don't want to use the word Ausatru.

01:55:45.020 I don't think they should use the word Ausatru, but it really boils down, you know, till they show up tangibly, till they are more than Internet.

01:55:56.760 or really the other part is you find a lot of people who are also true but they don't want to

01:56:05.560 conform to rules that breed success if you want offs and you want to honor the gods you have to

01:56:15.900 go out there and make them you have to work for them you have to pay for them and the moment that

01:56:21.620 these people are like I'm not going to do any of that are they truly dedicated to the gods then

01:56:28.640 no answer is no so the other thing is so first I I don't think that's true I don't even think

01:56:36.560 that's true numerically and it depends on what counts like there are incalculable numbers of

01:56:46.400 people that are not serious that will claim to be some kind of norse pagan this week and then next

01:56:52.880 week there's something else and there's a steady flow of that i think that the more there's you

01:57:00.080 know popularity to things where it comes into the zeitgeist at all you have people that you know

01:57:05.440 will claim that for a week or something but you don't see development of it you don't see that

01:57:10.640 being successful you don't see successful groups of that as a matter of fact

01:57:16.320 groups that have defined universalism always just fall by the wayside and devolve into nothing

01:57:24.720 one of the things that does tend to bond those groups is their inability to play well with

01:57:29.120 others so it doesn't usually work out well now it is the thing that you will find media doing

01:57:36.320 positive stories on so it is overrepresented in the media but in reality and having been involved

01:57:43.440 in alsatru for i don't know over 25 years now um i haven't seen that to be the case at all not in

01:57:52.160 real life not with people that actually show up to stuff you don't see groups of large numbers

01:57:58.000 of these people doing things together making something happen they don't have hoffs they

01:58:02.880 don't have things um the only time in in australia that you've seen progress has been through focus

01:58:12.080 folkish organizations i know people bring up iceland but iceland is a unique situation

01:58:19.200 started with folkish people doing folkish things it's a unique situation with their tax laws to

01:58:27.200 where you have to put your money somewhere to a church tax and so you can select where it goes

01:58:34.000 and if you don't want it going to lutheranism you can have it go to the australia gist

01:58:39.920 that's like a haha this is fun whatever it's keeping it out of the hands of christianity

01:58:46.480 but they bought land and got set to make their hof

01:58:50.960 2013 or something somewhere back in there and still don't have it made um they're not progressing

01:59:01.280 or doing a lot of things but you can find um you can find numbers there that the media does stories

01:59:06.720 on uh unfortunately that organization um ejected their folkish members um

01:59:14.160 um what year was that where they got where they ousted uh

01:59:22.080 yormander i was here to go the that was oh uh 2000 something 2005. early 2000s yes early 2000s

01:59:36.240 i met him in in 1997 and he was uh yeah obviously still there um and went for a while before he

01:59:47.520 got removed i guess or edged out yeah he tried to fight it for a little bit but no the universalist

01:59:53.920 took over and um there hasn't been progress notably since then you know in a lot of ways

02:00:02.000 um what else we got so

02:00:04.880 doesn't odin break oaths like all the time

02:00:10.480 it's fun which what are your thoughts yeah i was like i was hoping you're gonna let me have that

02:00:18.100 first okay um first off and you might think this is excusatory but i'm gonna give it range

02:00:28.680 which god has he broken an oath to it's a high it's hyperbolic there there is no god that lord

02:00:38.860 has broken oaths with now when you get into the situations where you see he is

02:00:48.920 the the builder of the walls if you will clearly is going into this oath with a trick

02:00:57.380 there is a uh a sense that in essence the oath is broken before lord odin does it now

02:01:08.540 he's tricking the fact that he's you know he is not actually a jotain he's just a human

02:01:16.160 and again that goes on to that cosmological point that i was bringing up about um our ancestors

02:01:22.960 is kind of seeing the gods as in the center and there's the mountain and up, you know, comes this

02:01:28.980 human with his just very human horse. And he says, he's going to build the walls. And then it turns

02:01:34.320 out he's actually a Jotun. So the trickery is clearly there from the onset. So unless the 1.00

02:01:46.960 concept is, is that once you make an oath, you have to fulfill it, even though the other side had

02:01:51.980 completely gone into it in false with false pretenses so there's that then there is the

02:02:01.660 slaying of kvasir uh the slaying of kvasir leads lord odin to go into and again the lord of

02:02:11.220 dynamicism moving from world to world he says i am the bail worker and what he does is he goes there

02:02:18.920 And he does everything he needs to do in order to get the property of the gods back, which is Klosir.

02:02:28.000 And that means anybody along the way to get there.

02:02:31.720 And all of this time, it's for the beneficiary sense of the gods.

02:02:37.680 Now, where does this come from?

02:02:39.500 Let's say from a theological point.

02:02:41.020 one of the big things is is that lord ovid is extremely associated with individual death

02:02:47.580 and soldier in battle and battle for anyone who's been in one is very fickle and so the

02:02:59.820 understanding of of how things can happen how a stray arrow or like in our time you know a small

02:03:09.420 piece of um molten hot metal that was around how it's around uh could go through and hit one person

02:03:19.660 singularly there is this connection between fate and this the the random but not randomness and so

02:03:31.740 So a lot of the mentions of Lord Oven not being a god you can rely upon is because you cannot sit and say he will protect you in all these situations or protect you in battle because that's not how it works.

02:03:51.580 And so that's actually a truth being laid out is instead of getting yourself all filled up with the idea that you're just going to be completely invincible in all things, because that's a lie.

02:04:03.440 And that's a huge theological problem that some people have with, say, other religions, especially all-powerful, omnipotent, omnipresent gods.

02:04:21.620 But it's an upfront.

02:04:23.440 So we talk about the stories and we see every time it's that the oath was gone into with subterfuge and cunning and it requires the dynamic lord to do the same in return, even though that wasn't started by him.

02:04:39.820 Um, and that happens with, uh, all the way from the, the walls to King Gerard, um, where again, it shows that Lord Odin is, is kind of shifting and moving things in a kind of nefarious way. 0.96

02:04:57.400 And it ends up biting him in the butt in a, in a, another way.

02:05:02.000 And he has to self-correct the King, King Gerard. 0.92

02:05:05.740 um and then the other thing is you got to be really careful in this modern day and age and

02:05:10.620 this is a lot of universalist thought um a lot of people influenced by eastern ideals or people

02:05:16.780 that are just again ultimately really just atheistic but pretending to be out of truth

02:05:22.860 pretending to to uh want to have a gift cycle relationship with the divine um i've even heard

02:05:30.140 people talk about how um that lord tear is an older and that one like really blew my mind but

02:05:37.980 they they they said that lord tear placed his hand in the mouth of fenris with a false pretense of

02:05:46.540 freedom and that was not the meaning of that story at all so one of the other things is as with all

02:05:53.580 the other points i made perception perception is often very miscued based on the nature of what

02:06:02.940 they think an oath is no fenris asked for a price to be paid if he was tricked and he chose a price

02:06:14.860 thinking and again a warrior losing his sword hand is a high price also the god of war there's a lot

02:06:24.860 of symbolic and cosmic and perennial truths flowing through that moment but the ultimate

02:06:32.140 point is place your hand in my mouth if you do that then i'll wrap myself up it's not guaranteed

02:06:40.300 freedom so the fact that there is people out there even saying that tear is an oath breaker no people 0.91

02:06:47.740 get silly and i think that's a very i don't know a trite thing that gets thrown around because you

02:06:53.980 really don't see it like all the time you mean like all the time you don't see that all the time 0.93

02:06:58.540 you see i think it's like four or five times you see acts of of um deception but these things come

02:07:07.180 a little bit different the other thing that's just kind of a fundamental i'm like i'm saying

02:07:10.780 be a dirt bag with your with your oaths and be tricky but these are bigger cosmic things

02:07:18.700 that odin is finding innovative solutions and workarounds to cosmic binds of these particular

02:07:26.300 oaths and things um same with the the fenrir situation if you pay the price that's demanded

02:07:33.740 for defaulting on an oath you're not breaking those you're fulfilling the oath it's you will

02:07:39.500 either do x or you owe me y right okay i'll choose to pay you why if you have a you know if you have

02:07:47.180 a lease on your apartment but you need to break a lease early you can pay a fee and do that and

02:07:53.500 that's all good and all square you have a penalty like you know penalty for taking out your

02:07:59.260 retirement earlier whatever else you have something built in that i will do this or i will

02:08:05.260 do this other thing and that's you know that's built in to a lot of these agreements but i think

02:08:11.900 that that um i think it's important to remember that the gods are gods and that we're not i think

02:08:28.540 there's a big there's clearly in our story an effort to make the gods and their relationships

02:08:36.940 to one another relatable to us so that we can understand and so that we can learn things

02:08:45.100 but we never need we should never presume that we can act as the gods we are not the gods

02:08:54.300 the same things the gods do aren't necessarily the same things for men to do but they're described

02:09:01.100 in terms that men can put their head around these are primal forces of consciousness and order

02:09:09.580 and nature and the cosmos working out and finding victory for our folk for our existence and the

02:09:19.740 existence of our gods in an ordered cosmos in the chaos of the universe and this is them making their

02:09:27.500 way with the best wisdom that they possess the best cunning that they possess trying to win for

02:09:33.660 their folk their people and their and their fellow iser and the wisdom and cunning that they possess

02:09:40.620 is so far beyond ours that sometimes we might get a little confused why they're doing what they're

02:09:45.660 do it well absolutely one other point to consider is in every situation like that

02:09:52.060 i think these stories are actually more of a warning tale of not going into oath with very

02:09:59.020 powerful beings with a trick up your sleeve because it ends up biting and i think that

02:10:08.220 people that started the idea that he simply just broke oaths for the sake of it is very telling

02:10:15.980 and again would bolster my argument that they're not trothful to the gods because that's the lead

02:10:22.940 that they went in with instead of looking at the entirety of it that's why oafing in our culture

02:10:28.300 is so important everything out your point about in group versus out group i think is a really

02:10:34.380 important one as well um and then the last question and i'd like to get back i'd like to

02:10:41.820 again we've got more episodes i was naive thinking we would finish today we will not

02:10:46.460 but what i would like us to do is finish the loki section and get to the austin your section and we

02:10:52.700 can start the austin your next time on uh guilty getting overtime is what we'll call it and we'll

02:11:00.300 get to that but the last question is woden's folk kindred folkish so

02:11:14.220 woden's folk kindred and again i don't know if they got permission for people

02:11:20.220 if we are referring to the woden's folk kindred in texas they like to reuse names that are

02:11:26.620 established by other people who do other things maybe they've talked to those people and got

02:11:31.580 permission i don't know when people talk about uh odin's folk kindred and again there are a bunch

02:11:37.580 of different versions i always think about woden's folk kindred um with david and katya lane and ron

02:11:44.700 mcmahon back in the day in california and this is this is not that this i think that they're

02:11:50.620 talking about is the organization in texas i think that they are folkish or at least they were when

02:11:59.660 they were founded i'm not really sure what they are up to today as we don't have overlap with

02:12:05.260 those folks and i'm not sure exactly who's currently involved when last i had any knowledge

02:12:11.500 of them or interaction with them they were you know they were pretty solidly folkish but i don't

02:12:16.620 i couldn't vouch for that as their current state things um so i don't know um

02:12:24.620 yeah that's the last time and that's been a couple of years so i would verify that but i would

02:12:32.620 they were last time i had any interaction with them

02:12:37.900 it's fine you have any wood folk updates no i totally forgot who they were until you mentioned

02:12:43.980 texas but i mean again when we get like hammer folk or uh sword folk or woden's folk or spear

02:12:53.980 i was just looking at their website um when they asked the question just to see if they had a

02:12:57.900 statement confirming it and their kids thing is called the tribe of the wolfings which is

02:13:03.100 you know robert taylor's group out in whatever so again i don't know if they got permission to

02:13:07.900 use that or again there's only so many names that you can you can go with um but yeah and it looks

02:13:15.500 like they're you know doing things in texas there again i'm not sure i don't have a lot of overlap

02:13:20.220 but they were focused last time if that's the one that bolt odinson is involved with

02:13:26.860 they were solidly focused last time i interacted with them

02:13:30.540 um all right swan let's yeah let's go and read about fenrir okay and so remember what i had said

02:13:42.560 before that hell stasis the remaining um and yorman gander the uh catalystic holding and then

02:13:54.480 And now we move into the dynamic, and the dynamic is what makes this situation dire. 0.78

02:14:04.320 So the wolf, the Isir, brought up at home, and Tyr alone dared to go to him and give him meat. 0.85

02:14:15.540 But when the gods saw how much he grew every day, and when all prophecies declared that he was fated to be their destruction, then the Iser seized upon this way of escape. 0.87

02:14:31.720 So as it's written, they're attempting to divert the fates of things as they are going right now. 0.96

02:14:41.000 they are feeding the wolf and if they continue to do so it will be the end but this is the language

02:14:50.680 being spoken to the audience and the audience would in this agreement of of media understand

02:14:58.600 what's being said so um the icr seized upon this way of escape they made a very strong fetter which

02:15:08.280 they called lighting and which means like fetter chain and brought it before the wolf bidding him

02:15:16.500 to try his strength against the fetter this here is clearly working his ego you are you're so big

02:15:24.380 you're so strong break this um and in the story that i always tell i i especially for the kids

02:15:30.980 because they're connected they get the uh the three little pigs i always say that after the

02:15:36.900 wrapping of the chain he breathes in once and he breathes in twice and he breathes in the third

02:15:41.060 time and blows the the fetters um across like a white hot shrapnel everywhere um so after this

02:15:50.680 the icier uh sorry he broke out the of this and after this the icier made a second fetter

02:15:58.300 This one called dromi, which means, again, a binder or a knot or a lockdown, and bade the wolf try that fetter, saying he would become very famous for the strength if such huge workmanship should not suffice to hold him.

02:16:18.300 but the wolf thought that this fetter was very strong he considered also that the strength had

02:16:25.260 increased in him since that time he broke living it came into his mind that he must expose himself

02:16:33.660 to danger this part here is another thing that i want to point out why they're saying that

02:16:40.860 because a lot of people might not again it is about the warrior's mindset

02:16:47.740 the idea of fame attaining fame you cannot attain fame from the safety of

02:16:56.940 the home that is a very big point so that that goes on in these stories so that's another reason

02:17:06.300 why remember these stories are an exchange between the storyteller or the poet or the skull

02:17:13.980 and the audience and there are things being said sometimes they're confusing because they're

02:17:19.340 lost in translation but other times there are other things and that's one of them the wolf uh

02:17:28.860 bade the wolf to try the fetter saying he would become very famous for strength and such huge

02:17:34.540 workmanship should not suffice to hold him but the wolf thought that this fetter was very strong

02:17:40.460 he considered also that despite its strength he's getting stronger and in that since he broke

02:17:50.860 living it came to his mind that he must expose himself to to danger if he would become famous

02:17:59.420 and again this is a big point about ego and also a big point about chaos so he let the fetter be

02:18:09.660 laid upon him now when the icer declared themselves ready the wolf shook himself dashed the fetter

02:18:15.340 against the earth and struggled fiercely with it spurned against it and broke the fetter so that

02:18:22.220 the fragments flew far so he dashed himself out of dromi since then it passes a proverb to loose

02:18:30.860 out of the lighting or to dash out of dromi uh when anything is exceedingly hard or to overcome

02:18:39.020 something um after that the icer feared that they should never be able to get the wolf bound

02:18:45.660 Then the Allfather sent him, who is called Skirner, the one amongst the gods, who is not a god, nor a man, nor an elf,

02:18:57.980 the first messenger, down into the region of the smart elves, the black elves, to certain dwarves, and caused to be made a fetter named Gleipnir.

02:19:09.740 it was made of six things the noise of a cat uh in in its footfalls the beard of a woman

02:19:18.960 the roots of a rock the sinews of a bear the breath of a fish and the spittle of a bird

02:19:25.880 now we know here the exchange between storyteller and the audience what we're getting here are key

02:19:34.080 elements of it's made of fantastical things that don't exist i don't know about the beard

02:19:42.640 on a woman i mean nowadays but maybe it wasn't such a thing back then but the um

02:19:48.960 the idea of the of it is fantastical the spittle of a bird and though thou understand not these

02:19:58.240 matters already yet now thou mayest speedily find certain proof herein that and that's a reminder

02:20:04.480 that little line is a reminder that this is lord odin speaking to to king galfi um kind of tying

02:20:13.200 it back into the whole situation um that there are no roots under a rock and by my troth all that i

02:20:21.200 have told thee is equally true though there be some things which thou cannot put to the test

02:20:28.840 then ganglary said this certainly i can perceive to be true these things which thou have taken for

02:20:36.720 proof i can see but how was the fetter fashioned howard answered that i am well able to tell thee

02:20:46.540 The fetter was soft and smooth as a silken ribbon, but as sure and as strong as thou shalt hear.

02:20:56.080 Then when the fetter was brought to the Iser, they thanked the messenger well for his errand.

02:21:03.320 Then the Iser went out upon the lake called Almsvartnir to the island Lingvi.

02:21:11.140 and summoning the wolf with them they showed him the silken ribbon bade him burst it saying 0.62

02:21:20.080 it was somewhat stouter than appeared from its thickness and each passed it to each other and

02:21:28.120 tested its strength with their hands and did not it did not snap yet they said to the wolf

02:21:34.500 you could break it surely and then the wolf answered touching this matter of the ribbon

02:21:40.880 it seems to me that I shall get no glory of it

02:21:44.980 though I snap asunder to slender a band

02:21:49.040 I will get no glory for ripping apart a piece of paper

02:21:53.620 but if it made me with cunning and wiles then

02:21:58.480 though it seems little that the band shall never come upon my feet

02:22:03.380 then the Aesir answered that he could easily snap it apart

02:22:08.080 a slight silken band he who had before broken large ringed iron fetters but if thou shalt not

02:22:17.440 be able to burst this band then thou shalt then thou wilt be able to frighten the gods and then

02:22:23.940 we shall unloose thee the wolf said if ye bind me so that i shall not get free again

02:22:32.080 then ye will act in such a way that it will be late ere I receive help from you.

02:22:39.600 I am willing that this band should be laid upon me, yet rather than ye should impunge my courage,

02:22:49.700 let someone of you lay his hand in my mouth. A pledge that this be done in good faith.

02:22:58.500 Each of the Aesir looked at his neighbor, and none was willing to part with his hand, until Tir stretched out his right hand and laid it in the mouth of the Chaos Wolf.

02:23:15.880 But when the wolf lashed out and the fetter became hardened, and the more he struggled against it, the tighter the band was, he then laughed. 0.62

02:23:24.280 all uh then all the gods laughed except for lord tear who lost his hand

02:23:32.260 so there is so much power this is truly one of the most visceral germanic aryan

02:23:45.860 uh mythos stories and when people kind of go and say oh the gods tricked fenris it's like

02:23:54.520 but you forget the nature of what fenris is the consumer the destroyer the thing that would

02:24:03.540 it's not like he would just suddenly you know he just really needed a hug and that he'll just go

02:24:09.040 home that hunger is ever and they knew this the story does portray these interactions but to

02:24:18.640 simply discount the gods and say that they somehow tricked him in reality he just wanted to be their

02:24:26.240 friends a rudolph the red-nosed reindeer kind of story that's ridiculous the truth is is that

02:24:33.600 fenris is that chaos that consumption and that fanaticism of such a level that it is corrosive

02:24:42.800 there is a reason why when they put the sword in his mouth and they put him on the island in

02:24:47.200 jotunheim his slobber goes into the waters and seeps into the world of the middle and continues

02:24:56.400 to blight. When the Aesir saw that the wolf was fully bound, they took the chain that was fast

02:25:03.800 to the fetter, in which they called Gelkia, and passed it through a great rock called Gjöl. 0.76

02:25:12.780 Gjöl, it means to yell or to cry out, and fixed the rock deep within the earth. And then they 0.55

02:25:18.660 took a great stone and drove it yet deeper still. It was called Viti, and used the stone for

02:25:25.860 fastening for a fastening pin the wolf gaped terribly and thrashed about and strove to bite

02:25:32.980 at them and they thrust into his mouth a certain sword a very certain sword indeed

02:25:40.260 the guards caught in his lower jaw and the point in his upper that that is his gag he howls

02:25:48.260 hideously and slabber runs out of his mouth that the river is called vaun where he lies

02:25:55.540 till the weird of the gods or ragnarok then said gang leary marvelous ill children did loki beget

02:26:06.020 but all of these brethren are of great might yet why did not the gods kill the wolf

02:26:12.020 seeing they had expectation of evil from him howard answered so greatly did the gods esteem

02:26:21.920 their holy place and sanctuary that they would not stain it with the wolf's blood 0.76

02:26:26.980 though so say the prophecies he shall be the slayer of odin

02:26:32.720 and that tells a great amount there as well one i mean if we're talking about in a cosmic sense

02:26:42.920 how do the gods of order it's the binding of of the wolf that grew so mightily from them

02:26:52.700 it wasn't just that the wolf grew the wolf was fed by the gods so divinity feeds

02:27:02.720 this being it is not made up of its own volition it is powered by that the the source of the divine

02:27:14.000 and it wasn't till too late when they realized it's too big so we have dynamicism as the final

02:27:21.740 one and the and the dynamic child of loki comes into the heavenly realm and um there's a god pull

02:27:29.800 at uh thors off that says that which happens in the halls of the gods so too happens in the hearts

02:27:37.600 of men it's that often it's again it's a it's cautionary towards um blind the the blind

02:27:46.240 fanaticism the idea that and especially people that disagree they'll say oh you guys are fanatics

02:27:53.800 no it's like we're doing things because of our what we love and what we want to protect we're

02:27:59.220 defining ourselves based on what we are and not what we're against that that stuff is fanaticism

02:28:06.620 when you you're blind and the only thing you can define yourself is by what you're not or what you

02:28:13.000 hate that's Fenris's slobber that's his poison and it's so potent because people who are obsessed

02:28:26.420 will claim they use it as a weapon those people are obsessed they're they're fanatical they're

02:28:32.360 crazy um but in reality their whole being is bent on it while other people who are minding their

02:28:41.720 they're staying in their lane they're building what they're doing they're they're not focusing

02:28:47.180 they're on all of the detraction they're just moving forward and upward there's a reason why

02:28:54.180 that's used as an insult because it is so prevalent of a destroying factor in in so many

02:29:02.820 things that we try to do so his his poisoning is still prevalent and i often talk about

02:29:11.380 if there is an element in our faith removing semitic abrahamic religions the idea of the 0.91

02:29:21.060 concept of something corrosive or uh soul um darkening tour it is the the the slobber of 0.75

02:29:32.660 fenris is one element but he is removed from heaven and taken into jotunheim and is there 0.58

02:29:42.500 until the the end

02:29:43.700 um so i want to amend something i said a second ago because it's important uh

02:29:54.100 wotens folk in texas is a different group than i thought it was it is a group run by um burke

02:30:01.620 carbon i believe last time i had any interaction with burke was well over 10 years ago i don't

02:30:09.220 vouch for any folkishness there or not though it might be um the group i was thinking of that was

02:30:16.420 in texas was the fettered folk kindred and that's the one that's associated with bolt odinson and

02:30:21.940 that one is folkish but again i'm not to say that they're not i just genuinely don't know

02:30:27.620 i've had no interaction with burke or his people and since 2015 or so it's been a long time so i

02:30:38.260 I can't really vouch for that one way or another,

02:30:40.040 but I didn't want to give bad intel.

02:30:46.700 Got one more question, and I know it's wrapping up a little bit early,

02:30:51.580 but Svon and I have big drives in the morning,

02:30:54.540 or at least I have a big drive in the morning, Svon, in the afternoon.

02:31:01.360 I didn't hear you, Nick.

02:31:08.260 don't leave me out i got the same drive you do yep we're all there

02:31:14.660 uh nick has the exact same drive i do give or take 10 miles or something um to be fair actually

02:31:25.460 your drive is yeah about four miles longer but you know i need my beauty sleep nick so we got

02:31:34.640 one more uh one more question and this is a good place to stop because spawn's going to go on

02:31:40.000 forever about the awesome year that's just his thing and i think it's valid i think that um

02:31:47.600 especially the maidens of fensiler get very little recognition and i think there's very

02:31:52.800 little familiarity and they're very important so i think spending the time to really flesh that out

02:31:59.840 and talk about them for people is important and is a holy act and i want to make sure we do that

02:32:06.400 and don't give it short shrift so we'll go ahead and answer this last question we'll wrap it up for

02:32:11.920 tonight we'll all go celebrate an amazing austra and we'll get back with you on uh guilt beginning

02:32:19.200 overtime in the meantime greetings all speaking of hell what do you think happens to us when we die

02:32:28.400 thanks you so this is another point that i tried to it is

02:32:44.960 further unfolding it is the synchronicity it is weird when these things come in waves the way that

02:32:51.920 they do i have thought a lot about the ancestors lately um we had a thing come up um just kind of

02:33:02.160 a discussion amongst our growth are that got me thinking about it and i've been doing um

02:33:08.240 some restoration work at our graveyard at sigerheim um just been thinking a lot about the ancestors

02:33:17.040 And that inevitably has been contemplative about death.

02:33:23.060 So, I want to, I talked to Ardothar about this, and I think it's really important.

02:33:36.480 We need to be honest, and honesty really matters.

02:33:41.760 It is very tempting to just, ah, I know exactly what happens when we die.

02:33:45.940 this is exactly what happens and then i don't i will never be dishonest with you people

02:33:53.460 i will never be dishonest when representing our gods i won't do that um

02:34:01.300 there is so much and such a great mystery when we pass beyond the veil of what that looks like

02:34:09.380 what all awaits us it is terrifying it is likely magnificent is all the things all the range of

02:34:22.740 human emotion comes into play about death because from our end it's tragic and you can see in our

02:34:28.820 lore when they describe hell with the imagery they used earlier it's scary it's lonely it's sad

02:34:36.820 It's desolate. It's a lot of things because we're without those that we love, at least in a physical way to where we can reach out and touch the people that we love so much.

02:34:51.120 And for all people of faith who believe in an afterlife, we know there's an element of we should be happy for those who've passed and them going on to something perhaps better, something different.

02:35:06.820 the next stage of their journey. We should have a confidence that we're going to see them again.

02:35:12.980 But something deep in our human condition is sad at the loss of the ones that we love. And that's

02:35:20.020 true. Broadly speaking, there are three options of what happens to us when we die.

02:35:32.740 rather than like majority i'm going to go the bad option first if you are so worthless and wretched 0.98

02:35:42.980 that your existence is disgusting to your ancestors and the gods then your soul goes to 0.99

02:35:53.620 naustrand and is dissolved into spare parts to be reused or whatever but the dis the dissolving 0.98

02:36:06.260 of your you-ness because you are revolting happens there so you stop being you all of

02:36:15.060 those pieces go their separate ways and the miscreant that you are is no more but that's 0.98

02:36:22.480 rare. That's a really bad, villainous person in my understanding. The other thing I want to say

02:36:28.760 when talking about this, I want to be really cautious. Oh, and before I get too deep in this

02:36:32.880 so I don't forget, Leroy in Michigan, thank you so much for your donation. Donated $20 to Thorshoff

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02:36:43.680 What I was saying, though, there is an interplay between the gods and the ancestors on their judgment of you.

02:37:00.800 And I think there is kind of a final verdict when you pass, but it's not that they wait and reserve judgment until you pass.

02:37:08.940 They're judging us even now.

02:37:10.240 they're judging us they're judging our who we are our deeds our reputation and they continue

02:37:17.620 to be affected by that and i'll get to that moment so yeah eventually when you make it to the other

02:37:26.740 side there's do your ancestors want to be associated with you or are they completely

02:37:35.140 ashamed of you do they welcome you into their halls or are you left out in the cold

02:37:39.060 And then there's also, do the gods find you worthy or are the gods disgusted by you?

02:37:46.900 Again, in the very extreme, if you are a terrible person, then, you know, you get sent to the disillusioned strand and dissolved and mid-haga chews your bones and craps you out the other side and you're no more.

02:38:09.060 Um, for the vast majority of people, you go to your ancestors, your ancestors in some form come and welcome you and guide you to the other side, welcome you in their halls, you commune with the ancestors.

02:38:27.580 and for the the greatest amongst us for the heroes for the people of great renown that have earned

02:38:38.980 the attention of the gods in a positive way and that's a scary thing and we talk about it a lot

02:38:46.460 i love the gods i love the iser and i worship them with my whole heart and

02:38:57.580 it is it is always serious and heartening in ritual i ask that they judge us i ask that they

02:39:10.120 see us they hear our words they know our deeds and that they judge us

02:39:15.640 and I hope that they find us worthy.

02:39:22.400 That is scary to draw the attention of the gods to you

02:39:27.020 because then they're looking

02:39:29.640 and

02:39:32.600 excuse me, they're looking

02:39:39.480 and their judgment

02:39:41.080 it's hard because their judgment um in the scope of the universe their judgment

02:39:51.980 is so significant it means everything

02:39:54.380 but and i don't know that i think that this next part is for people who've built a relationship

02:40:05.300 with the gods or feel that very seriously it's not just that they're gods and they're all powerful

02:40:12.020 but no these are our gods that we worship and that we work so hard to

02:40:19.460 win their approval um when you invite their judgment you don't want to let them down

02:40:26.420 so that's really important and so what i want to say though is they have a say on that where you go

02:40:33.220 um as the average person but in the in the great sense if you're a hero if you're a great person

02:40:41.540 they can elevate you and they can bring you up to something closer in magnitude towards them

02:40:51.940 it's not that you become one of the icer but you become more than you are now more than you were

02:40:57.860 and you have a greater and a closer relationship with them um and in you know spectacular

02:41:04.820 circumstances you know maybe you have a position in their hall amongst them you get to

02:41:12.180 be there be serve them in a in a greater capacity be closer to them

02:41:18.320 and we see that illustrated by you know going to one of their halls that's why we see you know

02:41:25.320 heroes that die in battle getting taken up you know they skip that phase of spending time with

02:41:31.880 the ancestors they go straight to the all-fathers hall or to freya's hall um but yeah that getting

02:41:40.920 kind of snatched up and taken you know immediately promoted to something better can happen but the

02:41:48.760 other thing that we believe very strongly can happen the afterlife is just that if we believe

02:41:55.880 that you exist after death which you do then surely there is some existence there that happens

02:42:04.600 in whatever that might look like there are opportunities after you've passed to where

02:42:09.960 the gods can still call you up to something more to where you can still be called up to something

02:42:15.320 greater. And so that's what we call posthumous ascension. And just as we elevate those that we

02:42:25.680 care about and the heroes by singing their praises, by raising a toast in Sambul, by building their

02:42:31.920 fame, we do that with our loved ones after they've passed by telling their stories, by hailing them

02:42:37.920 ensemble by raising tombstones to them and monuments in their memory. We bring the attention

02:42:48.560 of the gods to the acclaim that these people have earned in life, and we don't make the gods do

02:42:57.360 anything, but we beseech them to take another look and assess these people and take note of their

02:43:05.200 fame and in doing so we help those people to ascend further in the afterlife and ultimately

02:43:12.720 that's the call of the gods not of us but we can we can recommend them um and by doing that by

02:43:22.160 again telling their stories and increasing excuse me increasing their fame so i think

02:43:27.520 that's really important to the idea of that posthumous posthumous ascension

02:43:31.600 and so a couple of other things i'll add on that because

02:43:38.400 and admittedly

02:43:41.920 what happens after we die is very very speculative but a truth that we know

02:43:49.640 is that our ancestors look on after we pass and they interact with us they look out for us

02:43:57.800 one of the things is very common in near-death experience is the idea of your ancestors coming

02:44:07.540 to guide you to the other side and that happens with like um like emergency situation and people

02:44:16.520 getting revived kind of near-death experiences but it also happens with people in the terminal

02:44:22.700 stages of their life where they're kind of in that liminal space between life and death

02:44:27.340 we hear stories and accounts of them seeing their loved ones that have passed in the room with them

02:44:34.940 and your ancestors coming to collect you and bring you there

02:44:38.000 it's important you know we can we know that they have agency and that they can interact with us

02:44:48.060 and participate actively in the gift cycle so we worship our ancestors we give offerings to them

02:44:55.260 we talk to them we commune with them and they communicate back with us maybe you are so lucky

02:45:04.380 and so adept that like they talk to you i don't ever want to preclude that that is not my level

02:45:13.980 of sensitivity to that but there are people that are way more sensitive than others are people that

02:45:19.340 are that see spirits and see ghosts and perceive that visually. There are people that hear that

02:45:25.920 there's other people that feel that in a way. Um, so we know they interact with us and they

02:45:34.180 look out for us and they can exchange love with us between the veil. Um, I've said many

02:45:44.100 times on this show like the most tangible and significant experience i've ever had was at uh

02:45:52.260 dc or bloat in this diesel bloat at winter veterinator uh 2017 i think

02:46:01.540 where you know my grandmother had passed in i think 2003

02:46:06.900 and you know part of the ritual is we invited her to be with us and to to to join us in the ritual

02:46:16.840 and i got got to hug my grandma again and it sounds whatever

02:46:29.800 but in every way and you know my eyes were closed i didn't look to see

02:46:36.280 I could feel you know her as she was in my arms I could smell her like old lady hair product

02:46:44.720 but all of those ways there's no way in a million years you could convince me she wasn't with me

02:46:52.400 that day in that circle and I can't it connected with me so viscerally that I can't talk about it

02:47:00.800 to this day and it's silly because every time I'm going to do it I'm like okay this time I'm not

02:47:05.180 going to tear up about it i genuinely can't because it was such a powerful experience

02:47:12.080 um but yeah i know it was that real and there's nothing and it's it's funny because

02:47:21.680 i present some of these things to an audience of people that haven't had that shared experience

02:47:27.480 and i'm like oh just you know take me up my word it's a thing but no like from where i am

02:47:36.060 No, I know that's a thing.

02:47:38.600 And the mechanics of it are harder to parse out.

02:47:42.120 And I would never lie to you and tell you I know all of the mechanism, because I don't.

02:47:46.400 But I know some of the mechanism.

02:47:48.520 And they can participate in that gifting cycle.

02:47:51.400 They can participate at times of the year where the veil is thinner.

02:47:55.840 So they exist there on the other side and can interact with us.

02:48:01.760 That's true.

02:48:03.460 and that the truth of that implies a lot of other options and a lot of other things

02:48:10.260 but it is very reassuring that that does happen and i've kind of gone on um

02:48:18.100 oh get you sarah all donated 25 to the general fund thank you sarah we appreciate you

02:48:23.860 and it's fine i have monopolized the the talking stick here for a little bit do you have anything

02:48:29.460 to add on that about what happens when we die uh no i think you've covered everything and i i was

02:48:36.740 while you were talking i was thinking about again some of the um maybe criticisms or other groups or

02:48:43.480 they and i was like no again it isn't about uh us versus them in concept um i think that some

02:48:52.900 people do get misconceptions that ausatru has uh an ideal where the gods are and you mentioned this

02:48:59.260 about the gods judging like when someone dies and you go and stand before the gods or or what

02:49:05.500 have you we don't have that that that really is the the triplication level the upper middle and

02:49:11.840 lower the upper world we want to be witnessed by the gods we want the gods to see our lives here

02:49:18.300 now and we want them to mark us for glory but if we say that we also must realize that if we

02:49:28.360 get the notice of the gods then the then the lateral exchange of that is we could be marked as 0.77

02:49:37.060 garbage for being a garbage human so that marking um happens at the source the well of erd is in 0.91

02:49:47.440 the upper realm and that's where fate flows from that's where the observances of the gods are 0.99

02:49:53.640 That's where the dew that drips from Yggdrasil that falls into the well of Erd, that those dew drops become the bodies of future, you know, of souls as they enter into the world.

02:50:13.760 And so I would just say one other thing is the cyclic nature of the ancestors when we pray to them.

02:50:21.340 We know that our ancestors can pass things down to us, ha minya. Sometimes it's their mini, their memory. Very, very rarely is it fully thought or, you know, a full composure of one singular ancestor or a group where it's so complete. 0.83

02:50:46.980 You know, when we are born, we are born with very little knowledge and we are taught from the folk around us, but we do gain some connective gifts from our ancestors.

02:50:58.580 And I believe that they pass that up through Yggdrasil.

02:51:04.140 Yggdrasil is a great tree and there is a root in each well and the root at the lower realm where the ancestors are. 0.96

02:51:14.040 And bear in mind, lower doesn't, when you're thinking Christian, it's upper is good, lower is bad. No, the idea is that there is the pinnacle of, say, like cosmic order, and that the ancestors are placed in a place that is actually kind of protected.

02:51:35.040 when everything goes to attack the gods the souls of the folk won't be there

02:51:41.700 it's kind of the the safest place is the least expected and that again is the wisdom of the

02:51:49.700 gods and i'm just saying that in observation you know so either way the roots all roots draw up

02:51:59.360 And so a lot of people don't think of Yggdrasil as a cycle or a circulatory system. They get a little bit too focused on the idea of singular central, and it is the singular central, and of course to the realm around it, the heavenly realm with the gods, that is the center and upwards, but it is also a circulatory system.

02:52:25.180 so when the ancestors send up hominia and it comes up through the roots and it descends down

02:52:31.260 as the dew and the gods allocated into the well of weird that is going to the descendants so you must

02:52:39.340 be deeply kind and reconnect and forgive a lot of the transgressions of some of your ancestors 0.72

02:52:51.660 remember and else he spoke about this to a truly vile person marked by the gods as garbage and

02:53:01.980 then they come down and they're not good enough to even cross the bridge and join their ancestors

02:53:08.060 we know what happens to them but

02:53:14.220 what level if it's wanton murder if they are truly a needling we know it

02:53:20.780 If there's somebody who slighted you in your life or did something wrong that doesn't automatically allocate them, you think they should be a needling.

02:53:33.300 But the gods and the ancestors have a very broader and different view.

02:53:38.920 And so I try to tell people it isn't so much just about, I mean, I think forgiveness is important.

02:53:45.100 But a lot of people, when they talk about their ancestors, I think they have to understand a broader scope of things now that the ancestors, like the gods, are in a spectrum outside of the material world.

02:54:00.940 And we get into these things of what is a needling, what isn't a needling, or a sinner, if you will.

02:54:09.080 And these are like more finite concepts.

02:54:12.600 i was here really like covered everything in the arch but i just wanted to bring up there is the

02:54:18.760 circulatory system of spirituality from the ancestors to the gods to the middle and back

02:54:25.320 around again and that's why need all good is trying to destroy that route to break that cycle

02:54:31.560 but also that for the realm of men uh as fickle as we are sometimes uh we you know when we look

02:54:43.160 at someone who is a great warrior and someone says you know oh that person killed a bunch of

02:54:49.000 people that's terrible um this is because that scale that's the same kind of concepting that tear

02:54:56.280 broken oath it's miscuing things death and war happens our gods are have dominion over

02:55:06.440 war and victory but it is about the nature of like why purpose i have another thought

02:55:14.600 on death that i want to put out there and we have one more question that's come up um

02:55:19.080 um one thing that i think and that i hope i know is true to some extent

02:55:29.280 when we pass beyond the veil we learn stuff

02:55:36.960 i have to think that our well i guess two thoughts i believe that our ancestors when

02:55:44.500 pass beyond the veil you get to see some stuff that you didn't see before you know things that

02:55:50.420 you didn't know and so i know a lot of people wonder about you know their christian ancestors

02:55:56.980 or ancestors they had that they you know had a lot of disagreement with i think a lot of that

02:56:04.820 gets sorted out when you find yourself on the other side and you see the truth of some things

02:56:10.260 you're given the truth as given to you by your ancestors and you are closer to the truth of the

02:56:19.060 gods and i think that covers a lot of stuff i think that provides a way to reconcile a lot

02:56:26.500 of relationships and we'll find out on the other side and it'll settle a lot of things that way

02:56:34.260 the other thing is because i know that our folk um carry on and there is an afterlife one of the

02:56:40.580 things that's interesting just to ponder we now have two afa gothar who have died as as old men

02:56:49.540 um true to their oath as priests of the icier that passed on um their oath and their ordination

02:56:59.780 wasn't just for this lifetime it was a change of station of who they are um

02:57:07.620 go to david james and go to the thorgan odin um

02:57:15.460 we now have two priests of our house the true folk assembly amongst the ancestors

02:57:22.020 closer to the gods and able to advocate for us on the other side of the veil i think there are

02:57:28.260 important implications of that and i appreciate that it's nice to know that we have two of our

02:57:36.180 of our gothar on the other side advocating for us and looking out for us and i appreciate their

02:57:43.300 their continued service um the other thing i wanted to mention um or not the other thing i

02:57:50.180 guess but the the question that came up uh and because i think this is a really important one

02:57:56.260 the sagas describe past and future events possibly in a cycle because people be in different times

02:58:02.820 of the cycle one person might be in ragnarok another in valhalla a third elsewhere so

02:58:10.900 i've talked about on this program the concept of mythic time to where it's like all of those things

02:58:19.460 exist simultaneous and we're able to relate and understand the gods at different points

02:58:28.820 of that great mythic cycle and relate to them differently because of the seasons

02:58:36.740 of our life that we might be in to fully know i was going to say to fully know the

02:58:44.820 totality of our gods, and I think that's beyond our grasp. But to understand them to our fullest

02:58:51.860 ability, it's... Balder is a baby that's the pride and joy of Odin and Frigg. He's a young prince

02:59:07.540 that is you know the toast of asgarther he is tragically slain and in hell's hall he is resurgent

02:59:19.060 and you know returns to asgar there after ragnarok he is all those things at once

02:59:27.860 that teaches us who he is in the bigger picture certainly um

02:59:34.020 Our folk, our people find themselves relating to different points in that cycle, different stages of the lives of our gods, different ways to relate to our gods based on the season we find ourselves in our life.

02:59:54.900 I know that my understanding, my relationship with the gods is different and is richer when I find different ways to relate to them.

03:00:10.180 And I think some of that's just true with time and seasoning with age.

03:00:14.620 But you relate to certain gods in a different way when you're a young man just starting out in the world.

03:00:22.080 You relate differently when you're a father, differently when you're a husband, differently when you're a leader, differently as you start to age.

03:00:35.980 All the different places you find yourself in your life, you relate to the gods differently and different pieces stand out to you in a more relevant way to that season of your life.

03:00:50.820 So, yeah, I think that the fundamental to your question is yes.

03:00:55.260 Svon, do you have thoughts?

03:01:00.420 How many magnetic polar shifts have there been in 170 million years?

03:01:05.840 There's been 540.

03:01:07.900 And how many rooms are in Thor's hall?

03:01:10.900 540.

03:01:11.740 So when we hit 541, the end is coming, brothers.

03:01:14.640 You have only but so long to oath to the God.

03:01:19.380 No, I'm only kidding.

03:01:19.860 Are you going to sell us methylene blue?

03:01:22.240 No, I wanted to.

03:01:24.300 I just, I kept thinking of this, like, high tirade of just, like, that Ragnarok is nigh.

03:01:32.460 You sounded more like Alex Jones and less like a preacher.

03:01:36.320 Oh, yeah.

03:01:40.360 540, Root.

03:01:41.240 No, I was kidding.

03:01:43.600 And I like to just throw that out there sometimes because to break the serious. 0.89

03:01:49.440 for the record they were turning the frogs gay and he was right appreciate alice jones but i

03:01:56.640 yeah that what what you said mythical time is that that coiled time we actually something that hit me

03:02:04.080 is we do this when you look at certain religions that come into the euro sphere our people

03:02:11.840 obviously i talked about the trinity and the tripartite and how um the religion ancient

03:02:18.560 judaism does not have a trinity and when it comes into europe it gets a tripartite um the same thing

03:02:26.800 happens when you see and i'm this is kind of funny because i thought of the like the table scene in

03:02:32.800 uh what is it ricky bobby where one of them is saying like i prefer baby jesus and the others

03:02:38.960 like i prefer you know like he's like a homeless man and but what that actually is describing is

03:02:46.880 symbolic imagery of mythic time and that frustrates me that that is an apt and appropriate

03:02:56.480 i know but i walk the razor's edge on this one because if i've if it's a bad analogy it's going

03:03:02.720 to be like why did you do that what was that it fits perfectly yes mythic time in in the euro

03:03:12.160 mindset in the euro soul is that it can encapsulate in its infant infantile nature in its prime and

03:03:22.880 even in its aged or kind of conclusion conclusionatory conclusatory conclusatory nature

03:03:31.040 where you have all three of these stages in a spiraled sense of mythic time and they can be

03:03:37.360 applied inward they can be applied outward they can be pl applied to perennial or natural law

03:03:44.080 it can be applied to the observations of cosmic law there's so much to it but there's nothing

03:03:51.680 wrong with by what you're saying is you know that these stages are happening could it be

03:03:58.640 because you said could people be in different times of this cycle so i'm assuming in your

03:04:04.000 question you're internalizing it and yes i think that that is a case and that a ragnarok um

03:04:12.080 is that convergence time uh and i brought up jokingly but not jokingly the 540 like magnetic

03:04:21.760 polar shifts um is again the idea of when the world flips over and everything rechanges

03:04:31.840 that is a time where things fall and rise up. But there's so much interconnectedness

03:04:38.960 with our souls in the middle, in the lower, and in the upper that nothing just ends. It doesn't

03:04:46.360 just suddenly stop. It transforms and restarts. Life and the will to live come out of Yggdrasil

03:04:55.020 and the process begins again. The vulva that spoke about Yggdrasil said that from the cave

03:05:02.620 upon which she sat, she saw nine trees before this tree. Now, nine might be just used in the poem

03:05:12.240 as clearly significant to our faith, but it does express one truth, and that is that this is

03:05:20.020 cyclical, both linear and stacking on top of each other or even layered. So yeah, I mean, that

03:05:30.380 Morris Taylor, that's a really good question. That's very deep. And that's kind of one of those

03:05:36.680 so interconnectedly deep and at multiple levels that it's like, yep, I agree with you.

03:05:45.220 And how I could explain that, I don't know, or it would take me a really long time and I don't even think I would hit the mark. But yeah, I agree. And I think you're on to it. And that's something that we talk about with the Gothar, is that interconnectivity of thought, whether it's internalized, externalized, whether it's interdimensional in the sense of cosmic dimension, or whether it's literal.

03:06:12.220 all so we we went over exactly two two stanzas this evening um but that's okay like i said at

03:06:25.280 the beginning we're gonna take our time to go through stuff because i think this is really

03:06:30.180 important i think we talked about a lot of really important topics tonight um honestly i think this

03:06:37.920 been one of our more informative um episodes lately i think it's been really good

03:06:44.800 i bid you all adieu because uh the three of us are going to travel to lyndon north carolina to

03:06:52.320 thorshoff which is super cool all of our hosts you could type it in on google maps and a blue

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03:07:06.160 you this weekend hopefully some of us will see you at any of our hofs as we celebrate austra and we

03:07:15.200 we worship the the radiant goddess of the dawn in the spring um the spring equinox will be hitting

03:07:24.560 us on friday morning depending where you're at friday morning where i'm going to be at

03:07:29.680 so uh yeah look forward to seeing you guys next week um once again we will not have an adulting

03:07:37.600 with alan next week uh alan is on a cruise um so we will figure out another episode for you

03:07:44.440 um and i hope that law speaker enjoys delicious buffet foods on his cruise and yeah i will see

03:07:53.200 you guys next week. Till then, hail the Iser, hail the folk, hail the AFA. Remember, victory never sleeps.

03:08:02.400 Good night, everyone.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - March 19, 2026

3⧸18⧸26 Victory Never Sleeps, Ep 193 - Prose Edda： Gylfaginning, Part 5

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