Asatru Folk Assembly - 3⧸19⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 141 - Völsunga Saga, Part I

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00:03:16.240 welcome to another exciting edition of victory never sleeps it is great to get

00:03:20.720 chance to speak to y'all this evening um svan and i are deviating from our edic study for the time

00:03:31.120 being to go on a side quest we are going to go through the volsunga saga and that is

00:03:41.360 kind of the comprehensive primary source where the remaining bits of the uh etta that we're reading

00:03:50.160 draw their inspiration from from the poetry and the imagery and the characters so this fills in

00:03:56.480 a lot of that gap to make those remaining poems meaningful and it's also one of the

00:04:03.360 very foundational root pieces of lore that has shown elements of itself throughout our faith

00:04:12.000 throughout our culture and you know was certainly leaned upon heavily and in both medieval times

00:04:18.640 and in the romantic period so a lot of these things you guys are probably familiar with

00:04:24.560 to one degree or the other but i'm excited i think it's a really um really dynamic really fun

00:04:33.840 and very dense with interesting things saga so hopefully you guys enjoy it um not sure how many

00:04:42.880 episodes we're going to take to cover it another thing just to let you guys know up front i got

00:04:47.920 about two hours in me today and then i have to hard stop and leave because i'm catching a flight

00:04:54.320 to go to ostara in uh ostara at thorsoff so that brings me to you also should go to osara

00:05:02.960 at thorsoff if you find yourself able that is friday saturday and a little bit of sunday and

00:05:10.560 And there's time now, hop in your car, you can make it happen.

00:05:16.480 But really and truly, that's in Linden, North Carolina.

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00:05:22.360 Maybe you can just make it out for part of the day on Saturday.

00:05:25.100 It's still well worth your time.

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00:05:35.260 Oh, after the hard stop.

00:05:36.700 Oh, so after the hard stop, Svahn will stay with you and answer questions.

00:05:43.300 Any type of questions.

00:05:44.820 You heard it here, folks.

00:05:47.060 Any type of questions about anything, he will be happy to get you the answers that you need.

00:05:53.120 I was super jealous.

00:05:55.120 The last episode with Witten Erickson was awesome, and the questions were great.

00:06:01.120 And I was like typing fervently, but I couldn't explain.

00:06:04.820 i only had you know only so many words can be put in there so i would love to get some of those

00:06:12.180 questions too well absolutely and so anybody please ask your questions excuse me while reading

00:06:20.340 the text we will you know definitely include your questions that are relevant to what we're reading

00:06:26.340 but also if there's other stuff that comes up that is timely to throw in there and if not

00:06:31.940 spawn will get to them after uh after we conclude with the text and i have to leave for the evening

00:06:38.100 so do stay tuned for that we appreciate y'all joining us and um

00:06:48.500 with that spawn do you think there's anything they need to know for background or do we just

00:06:56.020 dive right in oh side thing okay while spawn's doing this uh just so happens this is one of

00:07:02.900 two sagas that are on the same website we've been using so the loose bow dot org the same place

00:07:10.340 we've been going through the rest of the edda in um it also if you go to the home section and uh

00:07:18.420 nick's posting a link but if you go to the home section and go to sagas this will be there um so

00:07:25.220 find that or any other translation you would like that might be fun also

00:07:30.180 and while you look that up swan will tell you the stuff that you should be aware of before we begin

00:07:38.020 so first and foremost this isn't a poem so it's not written in a in poetic uh format

00:07:47.220 it is a story and it would be better akin to well at least get it in your mind

00:07:55.780 that it is closer to the likes of like the iliad and the odyssey um there is just a vast amount of

00:08:07.060 things going on and it it starts um even before volsung but leading up to volsung and his the

00:08:17.380 creation of his his tribe his clan his um acclimation to um greatness and then no no no no

00:08:27.860 uh i'm just enticing here um his acclamation to greatness and then his line which eventually leads

00:08:38.660 to sigurd the dragon slayer and the cursed ring um there's also tons of lore in here everything

00:08:48.420 from prayer to interactions with the gods to to werewolves there this this is packed with good

00:08:58.740 stuff but the way that it is also kind of written is there's a semi-historical parallel to it in

00:09:07.060 which say for instance like atli is most likely attila but if the story was formulated during the

00:09:14.500 migration period it added layers almost like clay layers and so you you'll find kings and

00:09:25.380 kingdoms that would not be near each other or would not be able to be ruled as if they were like

00:09:33.300 right next to each other and that's because this story has morphed and organically so become

00:09:41.780 a legend of huge proportions. And so by the time of our ancestors,

00:09:49.400 most of the story would probably be told in segments. Most likely, any person

00:09:57.200 cut from the Freeman or the Jarls would have only heard bits and pieces or

00:10:05.380 um gotten a synopsis and then heard specifics um it was only till by the 13th century when it was

00:10:17.580 completely compiled um and so that does add a little bit of confusion but not much it's it's

00:10:26.520 pretty straightforward and again it's not poetic it's written in block format so it is think of it

00:10:33.320 like uh as if i was going to start reading the odyssey this is in essence very similar this is

00:10:38.320 like the nordic um odyssey and it is high adventure um and lots of little nuggets that i think are

00:10:49.360 worth knowing but you gotta kind of get ready for the fact that it's just a large corpus of lore

00:10:55.300 and um we're gonna cover it uh systematically but it you know if you're trying to keep heads

00:11:02.480 and tails of it if you're trying to keep heads and tails over who's volsung's father who's his

00:11:09.680 son um and all that you know you you might need to find a synopsis or something online

00:11:17.040 to get you a better understanding because there's so much stuff that is very detailed

00:11:22.640 and unique and then it shifts suddenly later on down the line but really really worth it

00:11:32.480 the additions of the gods um there's interactions with lord ovin i mean this is god at all this is

00:11:44.320 this is uh high entertainment while also really giving us a glimpse into um

00:11:52.760 the world our ancestors saw the way they saw the gods the way they saw the cosmology

00:12:02.140 At the same time, too, there's also that blending into from mythos to reality with actual kings, actual kingdoms.

00:12:14.520 And it reads almost as if, you know, the European Nordic ancestry is, you can see how Tolkien pulled much of his inspiration from this story and many of the other Norse stories.

00:12:36.820 because it just drips so much with high magic and high adventure lots of fighting um and everyone

00:12:47.940 kind of involved love affairs and uh betrayals it's it's good

00:12:53.780 all right that said i actually found a summary in english if folks were looking for that as well

00:13:10.980 um that is if you look up saga of the volsums summary in english it'll take you to pittsburgh

00:13:22.180 education sites and there's a really good um one by um d l ashley ashleyman

00:13:35.140 it's a really good summary if people are looking for bullet points to kind of follow along

00:13:40.660 all right swan uh whenever you were ready if you would like us to take us into the story

00:13:57.460 all right so we start with chapter one this is long before even volsunger um and the

00:14:10.660 the progenitor of the volsung line it starts just before him um in ancient days

00:14:18.660 and uh starts with chapter one of sigi the son of odin

00:14:27.060 now uh before we start it's worth noting to the um our ancestors especially great lines have often

00:14:34.820 spoke of their connections to lord odin even the kings of england traced their genealogy

00:14:42.580 back to lord odin um and there are names of the sons of odin that don't quite fit with

00:14:53.540 lore and they most likely were great tribal chieftains great leaders um and i speak about

00:15:01.060 this and if you look up we we talked about the list of the gods and how we kind of um the

00:15:08.100 hierarchy and placing organization and and giving our folk a red line to understand the gods there

00:15:16.820 are gods that are mentioned well correction they are referred to um but they most likely were

00:15:27.540 brought up from the mortal realms as ascendant um perhaps they are born of lord odin um but they were

00:15:38.660 probably mortal at one time and perfect example of this would be miley um there is a son of odin

00:15:45.700 uh miley uh referred to and he um i believe is of an ascendancy stock um

00:15:54.900 Um, but where it begins and where it ends, you know, there's, there's a great wonder in that if, if, um, if Lord Odin was and still is, um, siring, or was this, uh, much like, um, religions elsewhere in the world will try to link themselves to, um, certain family lines or certain prophets or, or what have you.

00:16:24.900 We don't quite know, and I've never taken a hard stance on whether it's a no or a yes.

00:16:32.880 The possibility and the magic of it, it's exciting.

00:16:38.980 I don't think it's anything bad, but I don't quite know because the Lord does not really expound on it that much.

00:16:51.460 So here we go again.

00:16:52.920 of Siggy, the son of Othin.

00:16:58.380 Here begins the tale

00:17:00.120 and tells of a man who was named Siggy

00:17:04.520 and called of men the son of Othin.

00:17:10.220 Another man with all is told of in the tale,

00:17:14.600 Hight, now Hight, Skadi.

00:17:19.100 Now, in this part here, just to bear in mind,

00:17:23.880 um and i'm gonna try to do because there's certain words that people might not understand

00:17:28.840 the word height uh in icelandic if you ask somebody their name you say

00:17:37.720 is a title so um and it's it would be the similar as what is callest thou

00:17:44.840 um far hate it through what is callest thou and this is not the austvenir scotty this is

00:17:57.640 a man named scotty and again the name means to scathe or to strike um

00:18:08.040 so they're they're saying this is ciggy and there is another man to be told in this story

00:18:14.120 by the name of skadi a great man and mighty of his hands yet was sigi the mightier and the higher of

00:18:23.560 kin according to the speech of men of that time now skadi had a thrall with whom the story must deal

00:18:32.120 somewhat bready by name who was called after that after work which he had to do in prowess of and

00:18:43.000 might of of hand he was equal he was equal to men who were held more worthy i and better than some

00:18:53.400 thereof so you guys can see in that first paragraph there is some interesting word

00:19:01.800 placement the um the major reason for this is the translation is not converting over to

00:19:11.400 an english system so it is saying as it as it is much like in spanish where um you know you would

00:19:20.840 state the uh the color before the object instead of or i mean sorry the object before the color

00:19:27.480 so instead of saying like you know the red car it would be the car red so you'll see a lot of this

00:19:34.360 kind of flipping back and forth and it's because of their adherence to grammatics in that sense.

00:19:46.120 So Siggy is of might, Skadi is of might, and Skadi has a thrall named Bredi. And Bredi is

00:19:57.800 strong as well and as almost as equal as free men as it kind of states and remember thralls of the

00:20:06.360 age um were capable of many different things depending on uh the situation who who was their

00:20:14.760 master and uh what their job was sometimes they would even be allowed to own weapons

00:20:21.240 and defend the farm and so on and so forth

00:20:27.000 now it is told on a time siggy fared to the hunting of deer

00:20:33.560 and the thrall with him and they hunted deer day long

00:20:37.480 till the evening and when they gathered together their prey in the evening

00:20:41.640 low greater and more by far was that which

00:20:45.880 bread he had slain than ciggy's prey and this thing he much misliked and he said that great

00:20:54.200 wonder it was that a very thrall should outdo him in hunting of deer so he fell upon him and slew him

00:21:04.280 and buried the body of him thereafter in a snow drift so i think that part specifically really

00:21:13.560 does read out to our nordic ancestors even though this saga has placed all the way back

00:21:23.160 in the migration periods during the time of the reign of rome um a lot of the tropes that were

00:21:32.120 utilized in storytelling to our ancestors involved high conspiratorial um events you know the slaying

00:21:44.600 of another man's slave is really uh it's it's it's criminal it got people's attention it

00:21:54.920 immediately wanted to make them find out how this was going to resolve itself so taking these things

00:22:00.440 at face value sometimes is not the way i i perceive it as and i i'm just giving my opinion on that

00:22:10.840 um i think that a lot of these details that come into these stories are again i'm a storyteller

00:22:18.840 and these are stories and i think that there are key minute details that perhaps scholars forget

00:22:27.880 or get lost on the idea is they're trying to draw in attention and the slaying of a thrall

00:22:37.480 is a great starting point for a story to start to have effect if anyone is familiar with the sagas

00:22:46.760 there's always kind of a key pivotal uh event that happens that usually involves uh you know

00:22:53.160 fievery um murder betrayal uh breaking of an oath and at that point right out the gate

00:23:01.560 and what happens from there is the preceding events and how it ultimately affects the orlaw

00:23:09.480 or the weird the fate of everyone that proceeds from these events so

00:23:17.960 So, he hides his body, Bredi, in a snowdrift.

00:23:27.300 Then he went home at evening tide and says that Bredi had ridden away from him in the wildwood.

00:23:34.740 Soon was he out of my sight, he says, and not more I want of him.

00:23:40.520 Claiming that he's just gone and escaped.

00:23:44.820 skadi misdoubted the tale of siggy and deemed that this was dial of his so he immediately

00:23:55.860 is calling him out and that he would have slain bready so he accuses him of slaying him

00:24:04.100 so he sent men to to seek for him and to such an end came their seeking that they found him

00:24:12.260 in a in a certain snow drift then said scotty that men should call that snow drift bread is drift

00:24:22.340 from henceforth and you will see this throughout all of the icelandic sagas uh someone is killed

00:24:29.540 on an island or um accidentally drowns or fights in a battle and those areas immediately become named

00:24:38.340 after said events so henceforth it would be called bready's drift drift and thereafter

00:24:48.740 have folk followed so that in such wise they call every drift that is that is right great

00:24:56.980 so as they it became kind of the uh coca-cola or the band-aid of snowdrifts

00:25:05.780 a common usage word for any snowdrift

00:25:09.900 thus it is well seen that ciggy has slain the thrall and murdered him

00:25:16.960 so he is given forth to be a wolf in a in holy places he is to be a varga

00:25:25.400 and to be a varger is a varger is a wolf but he's also someone who is uh excommunicated who is who

00:25:36.140 is separated from community and that is in some ways a death sentence unto itself 0.51

00:25:43.580 and the holy place is society is the uh kinfolk the kinship the the multi-generational families

00:25:54.260 the the food that is produced nope you don't get any of that you're thrown over the hedgerow

00:26:01.140 and you have to live out with the wolves um and anybody like familiar with the with the title

00:26:08.580 vark varker is not a good thing it's not a good title it's um

00:26:13.340 i mean unless you're an edgy black metal guy it's not meant to be placed upon you with

00:26:22.700 you know any sense of of worth in that um so he is given forth to be a wolf in holy places

00:26:31.400 and may no more abide in the land with his father therewith ovin bear him fellowship from the land

00:26:41.600 so long away that right long it was and made no stay till he brought him to a certain warships

00:26:51.280 to certain warships so sigi falls to lying out a a warring with strength that his father gave him

00:27:02.320 or ever or ever they parted so now this is an interesting thing

00:27:07.600 uh sigi is to be born of lord odin and this is possibly a connection to lord odin's um

00:27:20.160 ancient cultic past of the young men getting tossed out of society and

00:27:29.420 you know roaming and ravaging the countryside and this is one of those examples that i think

00:27:36.780 a lot of people who've wrote have written on that subject have pointed to this um that he is

00:27:43.840 cast out for this murder and then uh his his father who is lord othen uh you know sets him

00:27:53.360 out to survive and to go warring and to gain strength now that he is unfettered by any odes

00:28:04.000 um let's see here so delaying out a warring with strength that his father gave him

00:28:09.520 So he gets kicked out and he takes to pillaging and building up a band of brigands.

00:28:35.060 And then these band of brigands turn into a warring element, and that warring element wins over, gathers soldiers, starts to gather land, and as he grows older, he becomes more worldly-wise and less driven to simply just raiding and harrying the land.

00:28:56.980 And that's kind of how he builds his kingdom.

00:29:02.220 And when we see the sagas in the old Norse times, the chances of him doing this are actually really, really low.

00:29:12.140 that's why i'm of the mind that these are are kind of times uh during the migration periods

00:29:19.640 because there was so many kingdoms set in nordic times that it was very hard for

00:29:27.780 one to simply be cast out and uh make yourself anew again um

00:29:36.220 let me see here he uh

00:29:41.900 he laid out a warring uh ever and he was happy with the warring and ever prevailed till he

00:29:52.120 brought it about that he by his wars land and lordship at last and thereupon he too

00:29:58.780 To him, a noble wife, and became a great and mighty king, and ruled over the land of the Huns.

00:30:07.280 Another big key indicator that this is migration era is because of the influx of the Huns.

00:30:16.580 We know that the Gutens, who most people know as the Goths, the Gutens were flanked, speared right into, like almost T-boned by their lands, by the Huns. 0.72

00:30:32.380 and the um they try to resist but devastating um and that is because eastern europe was just 0.89

00:30:41.600 starting to transition in a forest so the huns still had a great amount of power with their

00:30:47.920 horses so this time is hugely pivotal in a germanic people as the germanic people were

00:30:58.040 living from poland all the way down to the sea of azov um and the gutens helped found uh

00:31:07.560 along with other tribes like the heralds and the rugi and the skiri and these folk were then

00:31:16.840 fully settled when the huns hit and almost split them um so if anybody ever talks about you know

00:31:25.480 the misconception about the slavs is uh is that you know they the hunnic invasion perhaps is laid

00:31:33.080 upon them as being some sort of indicator that you know they're they're uh not folk but i mean

00:31:40.680 that's the same as the phoenicians with the greeks or the phoenicians would be with the italians and

00:31:47.080 the Huns invade and split them into twain and a lot of this pushes them southward towards the

00:31:58.460 Roman Empire um and that's kind of what this time is even though it's in essence written and or

00:32:06.260 presented to a Nordic audience as have happening you know not so far back but these and it harkens

00:32:15.080 back to a you know an old folk memory of again you're not you can't just wikipedia these things

00:32:22.200 to learn about it but by the time the tales get to you there are these crazy horsemen that come

00:32:28.340 out of the east that shake up the world and displace all of these you know famous tribes

00:32:36.540 that you've heard about famous people that you've heard about and so when you think about a border

00:32:41.520 area of your known world at the time of when this is talked about Hunland is you know that

00:32:49.720 strange and mysterious land past the furthest east that we know about and I think in a lot

00:32:57.080 of ways that harkens back to you know Thor's journeys in Jotunheim going off in the east

00:33:04.700 to this mysterious eastern land beyond you know the furthest travels of your ancestors where

00:33:12.220 crazy stuff happens um that's also something that it's not necessarily related but came to mind

00:33:21.720 when uh alexander the great was leading armies in well into asia he gets to you know he starts

00:33:28.000 encountering things that hearken to tales in you know greek lore's mysterious lands that hercules

00:33:36.160 was in and like you know when you go that far east you're in the land of the unknown to where

00:33:42.640 you're in you know these strange legendary mythical lands and i think that's part of the setting of

00:33:50.080 this yeah and that the the mechanism of of mythic storytelling and mythic writings um

00:34:00.960 yeah are built on that paralleling um historical events that

00:34:05.920 are almost completely forgotten and then building them up with godly events and and other things

00:34:13.680 um i would also say too at this point sigi who is a varger there is a motif that comes into the story

00:34:27.840 not necessarily of a curse but more of a a turning you'll see later on that the fact that

00:34:38.000 sigi is a varker gives proclivity to his descendants being literal werewolves so that's

00:34:49.680 that's cool but so he takes over the land of the hunts so this would most likely obviously put

00:34:57.440 themselves after the death of attila but you'll see that there is a character in the story named

00:35:04.400 athlete who is most likely attila so the timeline of these are not uh you know logical and and

00:35:13.760 point a to point b um and like also they said it's it's the the mythos memory the great memory

00:35:21.200 kind of all packed together to create you know a great story um and when we read these we do

00:35:31.600 have to understand that our ancestors were not simply just sitting around to receive lore they

00:35:38.960 were sitting there to be entertained they were sitting there to get drawn in that's why the death

00:35:45.520 of a slave right out the gate is perfect to just start these key events so he gets cut out and then

00:35:54.400 he takes over the land of the huns which could be anywhere from poland to the u to ukraine and um

00:36:01.920 he is a mighty king and he has a son by his wife and they translate the name to refit but

00:36:12.160 i see here on the on the north side it's it's ray um i'm gonna i i don't have the

00:36:20.560 definition for that right now i just noticed how distinctly different those uh two names were um

00:36:30.000 so i'm going to try to refer to him as railier um instead of refit or refit um and he grew up

00:36:39.200 in his father's house and soon became great of growth and shapely so he became large in height

00:36:49.600 and bulky and i i also found it interesting they say he grew up in his father's house

00:36:55.360 i think that there was occasions at this time especially during the migration period

00:37:00.720 where um children would be fostered off so they wouldn't grow up in their father's house

00:37:07.920 or that they would be fostered off even to the the mother's uncle um in order to be brought up

00:37:15.280 or to make allegiances through families you you give the son over to the mother's side

00:37:23.760 like a hostage program if you will and it it allows a leveling and we see this paralleled

00:37:30.560 in the stories of our holy gods when we uh last week someone had brought up the line of the

00:37:36.800 isir descends from jotuns and that's true um lord odin's uncle is a jotun and his name is mimir so

00:37:48.480 the uncle on the mother's side has significance culturally but it says here in this case

00:37:55.920 no he grew up big and strong and he grew up in his father's home

00:37:59.440 chapter two of the birth of volsung the song of rarir who was the son of sigi so that's just a

00:38:12.360 brief synopsis of what is to come who we're talking about now and obviously sigi was who

00:38:18.940 we were talking about before now sigi grows old and had many to envy him so that at last those

00:38:28.180 turned against him whom he trusted most i even the brothers of his wife for these fell on him

00:38:38.580 at his unwariest when there was few with him to withstand and brought so many against him that

00:38:46.900 they prevailed against him and there fell ciggy and all his folk with him so you know i know that

00:38:57.300 the the writing of it is odd and i also think too there are some misspellings going on here they

00:39:03.860 they change refit to rarier but in this case siggy and this is another thing that is being

00:39:14.580 laid out to the audience the audience doesn't want siggy to just perhaps die in battle now

00:39:22.820 the story also lays in the fear of you know being overtaken by kin and being betrayed and on the

00:39:32.180 same same sense is that you know it's it's an ambush and there's so many people that you know

00:39:39.700 if they probably had one less person you know Siggy would have come out on the other end

00:39:46.420 victorious so these are again story points that would entice and um you know excite and entertain

00:39:58.020 the audiences of our ancestors during the norse period so it says all of his folk with him but

00:40:07.620 his son was not in this trouble and he brought together so mighty a strength of his friends and

00:40:15.220 and the great men of the land, that he got to himself both the lands and the kingdoms of Siggy, his father.

00:40:21.340 And so now, when he deems that the feet under him stand firm in his rule,

00:40:27.840 then he calls to mind that which he had against his mother's brothers, who had slain his father.

00:40:35.860 So the king gathers together a mighty army, and therewith falls on his kinsmen,

00:40:41.820 Deeming that if he made their kinship of small account 0.59

00:40:45.960 Yet nonetheless they had first wrought evil against him

00:40:49.600 So he wrought his will herein

00:40:52.960 In that he departed not from the strife

00:40:57.220 But strife before he had slain all

00:41:00.180 His father's banesmen

00:41:02.200 Though dreadful the deed seemed every wise

00:41:06.080 So now he gets land, lordship, and fee

00:41:09.680 And is, and is become, so again, these misspellings here, and has become a mightier man than his father before him.

00:41:21.320 So, one thing is, kinslaying is still seen, and I think developed by the Nordic period, and kind of became far more finite.

00:41:36.220 but during the time of the migration period the tribal influx and the violent tendencies back and

00:41:46.520 forth um were so chaotic and in this case and even by the nordic period if there was a kinsman by law

00:41:57.400 who slain one of your blood kin you going and getting revenge was not seen as you also being

00:42:06.400 a kinslayer that that moment had already been done the kin slaying the the needling the uh the

00:42:15.600 sin if you will of killing one of your own kin has already been done so people going in and giving

00:42:25.300 retribution to that were absolved from being a needling because they were correcting the great

00:42:32.820 imbalance that was created so when he goes after his uncles he is not a kinslayer they are the

00:42:39.940 kinslayers he is correcting everything and when he does he gains their land or he gains uh tax

00:42:48.340 from them and he gets his father's land and doubles you know or they don't say doubles but

00:42:56.180 you know greatly increases his might past his father's so to get to a question while we're

00:43:02.980 well a couple of things gw farnsworth a pillar of generosity and consistency

00:43:11.060 donated 30 to us thank you so much um it means a lot it means a lot every time and it certainly

00:43:16.820 means a lot collectively thank you very much for your generosity we also have a question um

00:43:24.180 from angela asking if the term varger is where we get the concept of the lone wolf

00:43:31.620 and i can't say it for sure is because i think everyone

00:43:36.820 peoples who know wolves and are familiar with wolf behavior recognize this yes i think the concept is

00:43:48.820 absolutely the same except for in this silly age that we live in where people are so very

00:43:55.220 removed from nature there's this idea of some kind of rugged individualism of the lone wolf

00:44:01.860 no the lone wolf means they're cut off from their support system they're outside of the kin fits

00:44:09.300 real completely biologically they're outside of the support of the pack of their pack and

00:44:19.220 usually they are that way because they are a liability um oftentimes the image of the varger

00:44:27.060 is a wolf that's diseased that's that's you know ugly that's got something wrong with it that's

00:44:33.940 mangy that's no you cut that off because it is a detriment to the pack and you see that with facts 0.77

00:44:42.340 um it's a very very similar concept but i think anyone that is from a society that's closely

00:44:50.980 familiar with wolves probably make similar connections so i think to trace it exactly

00:44:58.100 might be a little bit overreaching um but no carry on okay yeah um

00:45:08.500 so much wealth won in war gat or got i mean again i think that the way it's written is

00:45:17.860 some of it's misspelled and then others is it's that it's usage of older words um like begat

00:45:24.260 uh much wealth won in war got uh rarier to himself and wedded a wife with all

00:45:33.460 such as he deemed meet for him and long they lived together

00:45:39.140 but had no child to take the heritage after them and ill ill content they both were with that

00:45:50.180 so here clearly again it's stating they've been living long together but have no children and that

00:45:59.100 that doesn't make them happy and they want to pass on their line and keep the kingdom going

00:46:07.520 under their blood. And so they prayed to the gods with heart and with soul that they might

00:46:16.700 get them a child. And so it is said that Ovin hears their prayer and Freya no less hearkens

00:46:25.740 wherewith they prayed unto her. So she never lacking for all good counsel calls to her

00:46:33.900 casket-bearing May, the daughter of Hrymnir, the giant, and sets an apple in her hand and bids

00:46:45.940 her to bring it to the king. She took the apple and did on her the gear of a crow. So she donned 0.70

00:46:56.800 the skin of a crow and went flying till she came whereas the king sat on a mound and there she let

00:47:04.940 the apple fall into the lap of the king but he took the apple and deemed he knew where to it would

00:47:12.780 avail so he goes home from the mound to his own folk and came to the queen and some deal of that

00:47:20.920 apple she ate so a lot going on right there they pray to lord odin they pray to the holy freya

00:47:31.880 and so they don't flag on the play if you read the text and i went on to it they actually play

00:47:39.640 prayed to uh to frig and the translator just decided to go completely rogue they even note

00:47:46.040 at the bottom like he really really took a lot of liberties with that sentence for seemingly

00:47:52.280 no reason and that's that that part there after where it it says that um never lacking in good

00:47:59.240 counsel calls to her casket bearing may which that's that's the the austin your fulla who is

00:48:09.400 the casket bearer of uh holy frigga so that was clearly just a like uh adding to the confusion

00:48:19.320 of holy frigga and holy freya and how they get it uh often interchangeably used and that's um

00:48:28.840 that's what i was kind of leading to is that you know they prayed to freya or did they

00:48:35.160 because of this and and we see in mind that's a fault of romantic era early 1800s like 1800s early

00:48:45.160 1900s people not having a very incomplete understanding of things and just rediscovering

00:48:53.960 this sometimes for the first time i'd say so okay if you allow me on it i'll add a

00:49:02.200 extra too that's just kind of a layer of of interesting it's funny when you look back

00:49:10.920 even in the modern alsatru period to stuff with um with our founder and his generation of people

00:49:19.920 in the 70s and the 80s they also did not have access to lots of stuff the amazing tools that

00:49:29.180 we have being able to just google stuff and look at wikipedia on stuff and at a moment's notice

00:49:39.900 have access to a great great deal of the entire collected knowledge of humanity at our fingertips

00:49:47.740 on our phone it seems indispensable and like it's been here forever but it hasn't and so

00:49:55.740 So people are trying to figure this stuff out. A lot of the time, the early translators, they're relying on, you know, Romantic era or Victorian era stuff that's well-intentioned, but that we've got a more complete picture of today to kind of piece some things together.

00:50:13.440 So keep that in mind and grant them a little bit of grace when you notice errors. They didn't have the same materials to work with as we do today.

00:50:21.760 And this is a very interesting, convexing point in which things, there is the possibility that they used the daughter of Haimir, or excuse me, Hremnir, for alliteration.

00:50:44.500 But the Jotun who is given the apple by Frigg, and it takes play later on in the story, why a Jotun?

00:51:03.200 But it's never really explained in great detail why a Jotun is, you know, amongst the gods or amongst the Asenir or amongst the maidens of Fensal.

00:51:17.940 Um, but in, in assuming that, uh, the holy powers of heaven intermix with the, they interact, excuse me, and intermix with certain powers that come into their dominion or, you know, give them heed.

00:51:36.680 And that's what led to the titling of Ausvenir. Now, I'm not stating that she is, but certainly for the story, they're utilizing that the gods give a gift to a Jotun, and she is anointed as a wish maiden.

00:51:54.240 and she goes and takes the shape of of a crow or a raven and this shows again our ancestors did not

00:52:06.000 think of yachtins as like always just big giant beings um or you know mountainous or or literally

00:52:14.080 giants but that the yachtins were ancient beings that rivaled the gods in purpose most of the time

00:52:24.240 but that some of them could join over help or be deemed and i try to i think the best way

00:52:32.080 it was ever described to me was like the difference between yachtins and um

00:52:39.520 uh the icier it's like the difference between um the british and the french

00:52:47.840 and if you think about that in a deeper sense of where gall was and how much influence britain had

00:52:54.880 with with gall it it gets very very kind of poignant but they are greatly different but yet

00:53:03.360 still very similar so so just to throw in in case we have new folks that listen keep in mind there

00:53:11.440 are different types of yotnar when you read things there are there is kind of a neutral

00:53:18.480 yotnar that are these beings that are old and primordial and you know of a divergent tribe

00:53:27.040 from the icier at some point but there's also the metastasized forces of chaos yotnar

00:53:36.400 and so those two coexist there are certain terms that kind of apply to a category of things

00:53:43.400 all of these things regardless of their alignment are yotnar the yotnar with a capital j are forces

00:53:53.600 of chaos the little case yotnar are a variety of elder beings that do share a distant kinship a

00:54:01.820 cousinship, if you will, with the Iser and interact with them and at times intermarry with them.

00:54:07.840 The distinction, the more you read becomes self-evident, but when you just start out can be

00:54:12.820 can be rather confusing. Really confusing. Yeah. And knowing that the gods source themselves from

00:54:21.980 the primordial jotens, there are the Muspel, the children of Muspel, the sons of Muspel,

00:54:31.820 and of the fire and then there are the hrim thurser or the hrim jotnar of nivelheim and then

00:54:39.260 there is emir separate so right there we have and and this three worlds three different levels or

00:54:48.780 expansions of ancient primordial beings and when emir is producing all of these um the race of

00:54:57.100 yachtins are coming out of him they come out of his upper body they come out of his lower body

00:55:02.380 but it is when the the the tripartite within the tripartite the most dynamic lord he who is the

00:55:10.380 winds of heaven coming down olden villain they slay emir and the torrent of blood takes them out

00:55:18.940 except for one jotin and his wife and the wife is not mentioned in the in the poem but bergelmer

00:55:25.900 mentioned and then it is said that after the deluge they are pushed to the east and from him

00:55:33.420 come the race of the of the jotuns of the middle of the middle world and some of them remember

00:55:39.980 the slaying of their progenitor and hold on to that that anger and and malice towards the gods 0.99

00:55:47.340 and others do not but simply place their their power in the middle world and sometimes they come

00:55:55.020 under dominion of the gods or they make pacts with the gods or the gods seek them out to make

00:56:01.860 sure that they don't go over um and before we get back in just because somebody's asking and it's a

00:56:09.120 frivolous little question we can ask uh answer quick rage of red what's everyone drinking tonight

00:56:14.180 you just double-fisted what do you got you got two things with you oh i just realized i had a

00:56:20.160 little bit um which two vessels are you quaffing spawn i'm i'm drinking some liquid death what

00:56:26.900 flavor is that uh severed lime if we can use the term flavor for such a thing i know it's like tv

00:56:34.800 static but um this man is drinking a california traditional red blend um 12 by volume it is

00:56:48.840 delicious and fruity. I believe it is quite young. That's why I'm getting the fruity flavors coming

00:56:54.620 through, but I'm pleased. Coopton on wine like Lord Owen. So back to the action. All right. So let's

00:57:07.600 see um yes so rymnir's daughter and rymnir means covered in frost or ice um sets an apple in her

00:57:22.440 hand and bids her to go to the king she takes the apple it takes the shape of a crow or a raven

00:57:27.960 and flies over and she drops it on the king who is sitting on a mound also really important note

00:57:36.820 there he's sitting on a mound whether he was this is utsetti uh sitting out whether he was praying

00:57:46.420 on the mound or not is not necessarily specified but he is on that mound when he receives the apple

00:57:53.060 and mounds barrel mounds burial mounds were always seen as auspicious places so he's sitting

00:58:00.900 on this burial mound when this raven drops an apple and he goes and takes it to his wife to

00:58:07.220 which she eats so as the tale tells the queen soon knew that she big with child but a long time war

00:58:18.020 or ever she might give birth to the child so it befell that the king must needs to go to wars

00:58:24.980 go to the wars after the custom of kings that he may keep his own land in peace

00:58:33.240 and in this journey it came to pass that rarir fell sick and got his death

00:58:39.980 being minded to go home to odin a thing much desired of many folks of that day so

00:58:50.000 she's full with child but holding it and it's you know late and he has to go to a war

00:59:00.560 and as he's traveling he falls sick um

00:59:04.360 and he desires to go to lord ovin that's another thing is the the strictures of being uh perhaps

00:59:16.180 pierced by a weapon uh we see that in the engling saga um when lord odin who is not

00:59:24.820 a a mortal you hemorrhized man but more likely either a king who followed lord odin or

00:59:31.380 the cult of odin in sweden at the time but he says you know i want to be speared and taken you know

00:59:38.820 so i can see my god a lot of people get confused by that but the purpose of that is again you

00:59:45.860 hemorization but here is kind of that that influence again and i think it might be noted

00:59:51.140 too because the nordic period was filled with um an influx of migration period folk who brought

01:00:01.140 lord odin and i believe too lord tier with them um in their prayer it was it was a high focus

01:00:10.580 but when they come to the nordic lands there's a heavy focus on um holy fray holy freya and

01:00:18.420 uh and and the the vanir in general almost like a a renaissance of vanic worship that by the time

01:00:28.820 the migration era tribes start having to return um to scandinavia or as procopius called it

01:00:36.980 altima thule um as they were returning there um they brought with them their cults of lord

01:00:43.940 odin and tear um and kind of they collided so that's why i want to acknowledge

01:00:58.180 that i realized we were covering very little amounts of material with a lot of asides

01:01:03.700 but it's kind of the point of the show and what we're doing we don't really have a finite time

01:01:10.900 you know depending upon the decree of the nornir uh we don't really have a finite time on this

01:01:17.780 and we'll do as many we'll do as many episodes we need to to cover it a big part of it for anybody

01:01:24.100 who's just kind of getting the feel of what the show is about though is to find the threads in

01:01:29.220 this that illuminate also true in its practice and to share those with you so that's why we go

01:01:35.300 off on some of these things uh what i wanted to note to do while we're on here too is also talk

01:01:40.500 about a little as a side note what spawn just mentioned is really interesting and the guested

01:01:48.820 then or not the guest of the norm the uh anyways don't know it in gothic the uh deeds of the goths

01:01:54.980 by uh jordan's he writes about how scandinavia is like sweden in specifically is the cradle of

01:02:05.300 nations and how the goths come down out of scandinavia go through and populate you know

01:02:13.460 the visigoths into spain um the ostrogoths all throughout the balkans and into greece

01:02:22.740 uh down into italy all over the place and then there's this coming back again that spawns talking

01:02:28.820 about this kind of surge and then retraction a little bit and it makes for a really interesting

01:02:34.820 time and the question that we got asked in the side and i think this is a thing well we got asked

01:02:40.820 a question but i don't know where it went because i haven't seen it pop up yet was this apple one

01:02:44.980 of uh iduna's apples and um there's no way of knowing that um i don't know if she's got an

01:02:54.660 assortment of apples that do the womb of nations there we go well done um i don't know

01:03:05.220 again there's no telling but what is telling is this healing motif of using apples as a

01:03:14.980 as a healing or as a medical boon, as something that's going to, you know, aid fertility or as

01:03:24.700 something that's going to keep one young and refreshed and revitalized. And it was really

01:03:32.560 neat. And I think, you know, I wanted to share an experience that I had that isn't really related

01:03:38.080 at all necessarily but i think is special nonetheless and important um i was very allergic

01:03:46.160 to apples for a long time and a variety of other things um that are kind of genetically related to

01:03:54.000 apples but it bothered me because a lot of my very favorite fruits and i was really allergic to them

01:03:58.720 so apples would mess with me make my throat start closing up and get real itchy and it was it was

01:04:04.320 really problematic so i had to stop with apples and they were a problem and i went on an afa trip

01:04:12.400 to denmark in

01:04:20.720 2013 2014 thereabouts time starts to run together for me a little bit but i went there and went to

01:04:30.080 this uh hill called frobjord and it meant like phrase mountain and i say a hill but it was the

01:04:38.080 highest point on the island that we were on and i'm not sure because we traveled all over but

01:04:46.640 we went and we did bloat on top of this on top of this mountain and up at the top when we walked

01:04:52.160 up there there was all these little like crab apple trees and i hadn't i was allergic to apples

01:05:00.080 and i couldn't eat them i couldn't eat crab apples i couldn't do it but i was up there and i was going

01:05:03.840 to take this opportunity to eat this crab apple you know from this holy spot named for for lord

01:05:10.320 frayer and uh and i did and i was surprised i didn't have any kind of bad reaction to it

01:05:19.600 It was delicious, and I went on about my business.

01:05:23.160 It was just really interesting.

01:05:25.400 From that day forward, zero allergic reaction whatsoever to apples or their kin.

01:05:32.840 So take from that what you will.

01:05:36.840 I found that to be really auspicious, and I appreciate the experience and the blessings of Lord Frere.

01:05:45.040 That's amazing.

01:05:47.600 Hail, Frere.

01:05:49.600 it's a little thing but it's a little thing but it was significant to me and

01:05:56.200 you know whatever you want to think about the particulars the facts are true that i was allergic

01:06:03.120 ate it then was from literally because i'd eat i'm stubborn so i wouldn't like forego them i

01:06:10.800 kept trying to eat the stuff up to that trip and it kept messing with me and was real problematic

01:06:16.880 So it wasn't like I abandoned them years and years before and something could have happened between them.

01:06:23.320 But I had it. It was delicious. That's where I had it. And since then, zero problems.

01:06:29.860 He's stubborn, especially with food. Nothing's telling you you can't eat.

01:06:35.720 You're not wrong.

01:06:36.760 One thing I wanted to say, too, about the question. So the the importance of the golden apples of holy even, I have always taken that in a theological sense to represent truly divine light or the divine source and the youth of the eternity of the universe.

01:07:02.500 um she is divine light and i've always taken lord brai or bragi to be divine sound formulated sound

01:07:13.860 formulated light two of the most purest um forms of energy but that's if we're talking about the

01:07:20.180 gods in like a cosmic way um but to my knowledge i do not believe there's any reference of

01:07:29.940 the icier giving out of the golden apple to mortals which i you know and again this is just

01:07:40.180 to my knowledge um and it's i don't have infinite knowledge so i may be wrong but i'm almost positive

01:07:46.580 there's no example of it because i remember finding it um interesting in the starkness to

01:07:54.500 you know uh divine food uh being given to mortals or um uh heroes gaining ambrosia or soma um but

01:08:08.980 it's also worth noting the germanic soul takes to the apple so virulently that they change the bible

01:08:20.020 the bible does not mention an apple the bible mentions a fruit and the fruit since the story

01:08:26.740 comes from the epic of gilgamesh um and that reference there lends more towards pomegranate

01:08:34.100 as the actual fruit but it became the apple when it entered europe christianity a lot of things

01:08:42.900 changed about christianity when it entered europe through its various stages and various people from

01:08:48.260 the greeks to the romans and then to the germanics um they and side note the gauls through the british

01:08:56.500 isles there was a lot of stuff that changed and one of them that stuck just like with austera

01:09:01.460 austera the eggs and rabbits another one is that the apple the apple in the garden of eden it was

01:09:09.380 never an apple and it became an apple because that's what the germanic folk would understand

01:09:18.260 um all right so she drops it off she eats the apple and um

01:09:30.900 she becomes full of child and then she is very late in pregnancy and her husband

01:09:45.920 cannot wait he has to go and fight this battle he gets sick and he um

01:09:55.280 wishes to go to lord odin or he uh being minded to go to lord odin uh in essence

01:10:03.360 just the the referencing of it is that he is going to return to lord odin and this again

01:10:10.960 throws a lot of the um death by battle um kind of trope where you know you have to die in battle

01:10:20.640 it doesn't matter how you die but you die in battle and um you get your ticket in as opposed

01:10:28.080 to lord odin choosing you and since he is of the line is what they're saying he's his father is the

01:10:35.280 son of lord lord odin so he is going to return to his grandfather um because lord would naturally

01:10:44.880 choose his the you know the the kin of his hero or his uh his sires if you will and so

01:10:55.520 we always talk about in death going to your ancestors right

01:10:59.600 Right. But it does also, it's one of those key points that I think a lot of people think,

01:11:09.580 I have to die in battle. I could be sitting in a foxhole and catch a stray round from one of my

01:11:19.560 fellow soldiers. It doesn't matter. I'm going to Val Hall. And they forget that Val doesn't just

01:11:28.460 means slain it means chosen or choosing the valkyria are carriers of the chosen lord odin

01:11:37.260 his hall his the essence of his being his internal place in which he brings the souls

01:11:45.580 to him and within him is the hall of the chosen so so before you go on uh jared in virginia

01:11:56.140 donated sixty dollars thank you jared we appreciate that he donated that specifically to

01:12:03.020 bus payoff in york's off so much appreciated and yeah making really good progress on that by the

01:12:09.100 way come down to uh north carolina for austra and then definitely reach out to me and let's

01:12:17.980 get some stuff we need to do some stuff in virginia svawn is is your fellow old dominion

01:12:24.380 you should go and absolutely this weekend um jared seriously think about it if you can

01:12:32.700 spawn's about to make the drive if you can be there all weekend great if you just get there

01:12:37.100 for saturday it's still going to be an amazing thing uh oh apparently he's got a ticket already

01:12:42.540 well i look forward to seeing you then on uh see you this weekend yeah and let's let's plan for

01:12:48.220 some stuff in virginia there's lots of folks up here um some of them are going to make it down

01:12:53.580 some of them can't so we're trying to figure out the best way to make sure that

01:12:58.700 you know community is is there as well in virginia

01:13:08.860 now uh let's see 0.57

01:13:13.020 she was uh big with childs and uh yes okay thing desired by many folks in those days to to be with 0.99

01:13:21.420 lord olden now no otherwise it goes with the queen's sickness then

01:13:31.260 heretofore nor may she be the lighter of of her child if somebody's uh not reading this

01:13:41.500 if somebody's just listening to this i can imagine it being very like confusing um

01:13:47.180 And that's why I think we're also stepping off and kind of explaining things.

01:13:53.020 And six winters wore away with the sickness still heavy on her, so that at last she feels that she may not live long.

01:14:03.560 Wherefore now she bade cut the child out from her, and it was done even as she bade.

01:14:10.180 A man child was it, and great of growth from his birth.

01:14:17.180 might well be and they say that the youngling kissed his mother or ever she died so she holds

01:14:27.580 in her belly for six years a a child and a uh six seven year olds pops out of her now they do say

01:14:44.220 man child it's worth noting that the context of the word man could mean all people um as in the

01:14:53.500 word like public is you know mother is sometimes used that way but in this case it is also worth

01:15:01.340 remembering that men um were fully accounted for by 13 14 15 um your you know life expectancy

01:15:11.980 as it was understood back then was in the 50s so you know if you're a 13 year old 14 year old or 15

01:15:19.260 year old you're on a boat and you're going trading or raiding or what have you and there's another

01:15:27.820 part of this that this is clearly a mythic sense um we see this when um the austvenir of the gods

01:15:39.820 the holy um australian goddess that is rendered gives birth to valley the god of vengeance and

01:15:49.580 he is born and immediately enacts so we do see a lot of um the usage of strange like you know birth

01:16:00.060 times that emphasize a sense of uh strangeness but yet mysterious or or fortuitousness of the child

01:16:11.980 um and in this case you know he she holds on to him in her belly and then finally she she bids

01:16:21.100 you know someone to cut him open and he cuts he comes out and he's you know a large uh seven eight

01:16:32.220 year old and he kisses his mother as she passes his passes away but to him is a name that is given

01:16:39.980 and he is called volsung and he was king over hunland or the land of the huns in the room of

01:16:49.900 his father from his early years he was big and strong and full of daring in all manly

01:16:57.980 deeds and trials and he became the greatest of warriors and and of good hap in all the battles

01:17:06.380 of his warfaring good hap means like everything all his deeds ended up you know like happen um

01:17:16.620 and the use of hap this is blowing me away with some of its um usage of english but

01:17:24.940 the other thing is imagine you know this part of the story being told and every woman in the room

01:17:32.940 is just like oh what six years that's like oh and so if a lot of the stories are built

01:17:42.620 to gain reaction and they are built to key in on emotional states um holding a child for six years

01:17:52.940 that's insane and then you know every war that you fight you win that's insane like our ancestors

01:18:01.880 knew that this was bombastic in its telling and that's what the the more the brighter the

01:18:12.440 colors the crazier the conditions the wilder the story our ancestors loved it it was part of um

01:18:24.280 getting together during a bloat during you know a lord who is going to sacrifice some oxen or some

01:18:32.200 sheep and hold a great ceremony to the gods and then they're going to get a chance to listen

01:18:38.920 to these great storytellers tell some of the craziest stuff and uh it just made them because

01:18:46.760 they would go home and they didn't have television they didn't have phones um they didn't have books

01:18:53.720 so you know they kept these stories going and often you know i imagine the children were

01:19:00.120 you know i'm i'm i'm volsung and i'm exploding out of my mother and immediately fighting you

01:19:06.840 know they just yeah you know the the the way that the processes of storytelling sticks with me as a

01:19:15.880 storyteller so i can just imagine the craziness and i can imagine his mother from the doorway

01:19:21.640 being like i would never hold you for six months or something of that nature you know i just i i

01:19:29.640 find it super funny and people get lost in scholasticism they get lost in the the pen and

01:19:39.320 the paper and the uh the translations and which translations are hard and you need to kind of

01:19:48.920 have those considerations and i think the austral folk assembly does a great job at trying to reach

01:19:55.080 those translations correctly and especially you know we recommend multiple um people we don't just

01:20:02.520 hyper focus like a cult at one scholar you know we think that thorpe is just the best and you

01:20:09.880 should only listen to him um but the big thing is we're talking about the spirit of storytelling and

01:20:18.920 and the theology of religion, not just, you know, the lines, if you will.

01:20:28.200 So, at this point, he is, Volsung is awesome, and he's young, and he's leading his men,

01:20:40.320 and he's warfaring, and he's doing great.

01:20:42.240 Now, when he had fully come to a man's estate, he's of full age,

01:20:51.840 Fremnir, the giant, sends to him Ljoth, his daughter.

01:20:58.240 Ljoth means song.

01:21:01.160 She of whom the tale told that she brought the apple to Rerir.

01:21:06.600 So now it's stated that the Jotin Leov was the one that became the wish maiden for the holy goddess of our holy gods.

01:21:19.960 And now she is a generation, or later, she is coming to that which is born fruit of that apple.

01:21:29.000 um so uh yes uh that she of whom the tale told brought the apple to raria who is volsung's

01:21:41.600 father so volsung weds her with all and long they abode together with good hap and great love

01:21:53.100 And I think it's also really important to point out, as you guys can see, there's people trying to state that the gods are intermarrying with a different race.

01:22:09.060 Again, that word race used by certain translators has caused a lot of grievances and much to the delight of, you know, more universal globalist people who are trying to use Ausatru for their political ends.

01:22:32.700 They try to push that narrative.

01:22:35.520 they very rarely talk about the fact that there are times in which jotens intermarry with humans

01:22:42.760 and again in these cases they're often migration period there's you know the understanding of what

01:22:52.200 a different race or different foreigner or different outsider or different kingdom

01:22:57.820 was very very different than what they're trying to push today it's it's um 0.99

01:23:04.120 you know it's almost comical the way they're they're doing it in comparison to what was

01:23:09.840 actually being done at the time when they could consider people on the other side of a river in

01:23:15.380 the same european like country or that country doesn't even exist yet there's no borders so they

01:23:22.840 say those people are of a different race or a different stock and um whether or not they get

01:23:30.960 together or not. So, Volsung weds her with all and long they abode together with good, good events

01:23:46.560 and great love. They had 10 sons and one daughter and their eldest son was Haidt Sigmund. Now bear

01:23:57.120 this in mind this is the connection to the poems we were talking about earlier with helgi

01:24:04.000 hundings bana or hundings bane is that this would be the connection point that he was

01:24:12.080 uh actually i'm sorry i can't remember if it was he was the son of sigmund or if he was the brother

01:24:16.880 of sigmund um anybody in the chat if you could clarify that for me um but this is that this is

01:24:25.840 the connection point of those and that's a big spread 10 children so you know good plot convenience

01:24:33.840 to do that there um the eldest son was sigmund and their daughter signi and these two were twins

01:24:45.920 so the eldest first children were a man and a woman sigmund and signi it's also worth noting

01:24:56.080 that oftentimes children after the first were not mentioned in old north society at that time

01:25:04.080 most of that fell of the the estate fell on the firstborn it's fun he has the son uh helgi is uh

01:25:14.800 segment's son oh so yeah he's he's one of the other sons

01:25:23.840 um okay excellent yeah because and that makes sense um a lot of the times you know the the uh

01:25:32.560 accruement of the estate of the father and the mother were passed down to the firstborn and

01:25:39.280 every child thereafter was on their own which was another mitigating factor for um

01:25:47.600 the viking age and and raiding and such is a lot of them were uh not the firstborns

01:25:55.280 going out and trying to make you know a name for themselves so uh they were twins and in all

01:26:05.920 wise the foremost and the fairest of the children of the Volsung, the king, and mighty as all his

01:26:15.200 seed was, even as has been long told from ancient days, and in tales of long ago, with the greatest

01:26:25.520 fame of all men, how that the Volsung's have been great men, and high-minded, and far above the most

01:26:34.280 of men, both in cunning and in prowess and all things high and mighty. So we see these, this list 0.61

01:26:44.200 of, uh, good traits, the idea of being masterful of your mind, being masterful of your body. Uh,

01:26:55.900 these were traits highly regarded um cunning is an interesting

01:27:03.740 word the usage of it i have always taken that not so much to mean the modern term of cunning

01:27:10.860 as in you know a backstabbing um scheming but more about a master of one's mind

01:27:22.460 and one that has the ability to interact with other people and work in a way of wisdom,

01:27:31.000 not just bullying or pushing in, but being able to be silent or knowing when to call upon the aid

01:27:38.520 of your friends or to subdue the rage of another group. These skills are a sense of cunning.

01:27:52.460 that emulates very much like Lord Othin.

01:27:57.560 So says the story that King Volsung let build a noble hall in such a wise

01:28:07.800 that a big oak tree stood therein,

01:28:13.080 and that the limbs of the tree blossomed fair out over the roof of the hall,

01:28:19.300 While below stood the trunk within, and the said trunk did men call bramstok.

01:28:30.160 So, or in the Old Norse, it's barnstok.

01:28:37.240 And this, again, is another paragraph that would make people just, wow, like building a hall.

01:28:46.140 But you have an oak tree in the center, and it just cascades over the hall.

01:28:55.600 Absolutely stuff of legends.

01:29:00.680 So let's see.

01:29:03.040 And that's where Volsung and his children, his ten children, and his wife.

01:29:08.880 And for those of you that might know the Volsunga Saga, or at least a key part of it, that oak tree is kind of probably pinging off some alarms for folks.

01:29:24.000 But if you don't know it, hang in there. We will get there.

01:29:29.280 Let me see. Does the chapter shift?

01:29:32.860 Yes.

01:29:33.760 Yeah, I'm trying to. For some reason, it's not shifting on my end.

01:29:37.700 I might have to go back and just grab it.

01:29:43.820 All right.

01:29:46.380 Chapter three.

01:29:48.380 Of the sword that Sigmund, Volsung's son, drew from Barnstock.

01:29:58.420 There was a king called Sigir who ruled over Gothland.

01:30:03.860 And this kind of checks out again because the Gutens and the Huns lived very close to each other in Eastern Europe and had many wars.

01:30:21.320 Some of them were subjugated by the Huns. Others, you know, kept resistance against them until eventually they fell and had to recede back into the Asiatic steppes.

01:30:35.540 But, again, another reference that this is far older than the Nordic period.

01:30:42.080 So Sigir, who ruled over Gothland, a mighty king of many folk, he went to meet Volsor, the king, and he prayed him for Signy, his daughter, the first daughter, and twin of Sigmund.

01:30:59.820 And the king took his talk well, and his sons withal, but she was loathe thereto.

01:31:09.660 Yet she bade her father rule in this, as in all other things.

01:31:15.980 And you'll see this in sagas.

01:31:18.100 Generally, the father will determine whether he likes or dislikes the suitor.

01:31:25.040 And you'll also hear the opinion of the daughter.

01:31:30.700 it always kind of follows in especially in the icelandic sagas it's it's generally you know she

01:31:37.020 is happy with this arrangement or she finds him fit and um but in this case she doesn't but she

01:31:45.260 says i will let you rule on this and that also kind of lends to the idea there might be political

01:31:53.340 implications with this situation so she doesn't really want to do it there certainly are them

01:32:00.060 both being kings right right and she doesn't state that it's for some reason that he's ugly or weak

01:32:07.820 or or what have you but perhaps that she just didn't want to be married at that time so

01:32:15.260 So I kind of get the feeling that there's like a more of a time basis on this.

01:32:25.260 So that's the other thing to point out here that I think is an important takeaway.

01:32:31.600 um to our ancestors there was a a bigger loyalty and it's interesting because we're talking here

01:32:48.640 about a two kings and a and a princess or a yeah for lack of yeah well okay we're talking about I

01:32:57.460 guess yeah two kings and a princess so the loyalty to nation is inherent in their position

01:33:08.420 but the loyalty to family into nation you see in this to where it's not just about what makes you

01:33:14.900 happy it's not about running off with some dude because he's dreamy or whatever it's about making

01:33:22.500 a marriage alliance that will be beneficial to the glory of your family and looking out for the

01:33:31.540 well-being of your brothers of your father of your line of people that was something that people took

01:33:39.300 really seriously to where they would make very important life decisions based on what's going to

01:33:43.700 be good for their family overall not just what's going to make them happy and that's a very different

01:33:51.860 thing than we're faced with today but i think that you know we live in a different time in a

01:33:57.380 different place with different things but the concept of being willing to sacrifice of yourself

01:34:04.260 and consider the good of those you are blood kin to and also those you are allied with those who

01:34:11.620 are part of your your tribe your nation your clan your church taking the idea of looking out for

01:34:21.060 the good of the community that you're a part of be it large or small and factoring that into

01:34:27.700 personal decisions the fact that she you know allowed him to make this decision for her

01:34:35.940 says that there was the option of like her being heavily resistant and her refusing and there to be

01:34:42.740 a thing if it was just a foregone conclusion that she was chattel and she's just going to do what

01:34:47.940 But the king says, regardless, you know, her thoughts on the matter are useless.

01:34:53.300 They're included here because she is choosing to submit to the king's judgment on this, her father's judgment on this.

01:35:02.060 And it's important for us to to keep in mind, it's not always about you or about what you like the most.

01:35:11.460 Sometimes decisions in your life ought to take into account what's good for your family, what's good for your folk, what's good for, you know, in groups that you are an essential part of, and what's good for the relationship between your family and another family.

01:35:32.940 So it's just an extra dimension of thinking that I don't, that doesn't often come to mind in today's world.

01:35:41.460 we got to at least get done with chapter three before i have to bounce out all right so um

01:35:52.420 and this is the best one of the best parts here um

01:35:58.020 let me see so in all things are concerned her so the king took such a a read r-e-d-e which is

01:36:09.580 very similar to a reader or council or proclamation um he took to such read that he gave her to him

01:36:18.740 in hand in marriage and she was betrothed to king sigir and for the fulfilling of the feast and the

01:36:26.720 wedding was king sigir to come to the house of king volson the king got ready the feast according

01:36:35.740 to his best might. And when all things were ready, came to the king's guests and King Sigur with all

01:36:43.420 at the day appointed. And many a man of great account had Sigur with him. So he gets the feast

01:36:51.980 ready. And then he officially, you know, brings in Sigur with all of his great men. Now the tale

01:37:02.060 tells that great fires were made and long the hall and the great tree aforementioned stood

01:37:11.180 mid most thereof like a great mast in the center of the the hall with all the folk say that

01:37:20.180 when as men sat by the fire in the evening a certain man came into the hall unknown of aspect

01:37:30.160 to any of the men and such like a ray he had that over him was a spotted cloak

01:37:37.900 he had bare feet and linen breeches knit tight even unto the bone and he had a sword in his hand

01:37:49.920 as he went up to Branstock, and a slouched hat upon his head.

01:37:58.480 It was huge and seeming ancient, and he was one-eyed.

01:38:04.860 So he drew the sword and smote it into the tree trunk

01:38:10.360 so that it sank down to the hilt and all held back from greeting the man.

01:38:17.000 Then he took up the word and said,

01:38:21.660 Whoso draweth this sword from the stalk

01:38:24.980 shall have the same gift as a gift from me

01:38:30.240 and shall find in good sooth

01:38:33.840 that never bear he better a sword in hand

01:38:38.520 than is this.

01:38:41.420 Of course, sooth meaning truth

01:38:45.780 or the proclamation of true word uh therewith out went the old man from the hall and none knew

01:38:54.740 who he was or whether he went i think a lot of folks know lord odin and this is where he directly

01:39:04.980 injects himself into the oorlog of all of these folk and of course too you see there's parallels

01:39:16.260 here with the um the the the sword and king arthur as he places the sword in the stone

01:39:27.220 and you know i i wonder often what you know did one come first are these parallel to each other

01:39:35.380 i don't know but men began to stand up and none would feign be the last to lay their hand on the

01:39:43.740 sword for they deemed that he would have the best of it who might first touch it so all the noblest

01:39:52.100 went there to first so immediately they rushed the sword and one after another but

01:39:58.980 none who came there too might avail to pull it out of the tree

01:40:04.820 for in no wise would it would it come away whoever they however they tugged but now came sigmund

01:40:14.900 king volsing's son and set his hands upon the sword and pulls it from the stock even as if it

01:40:24.200 would lay loose before him as if it wasn't closed on anything or punched into anything it just slides

01:40:30.520 right out so good that weapon seemed to all that none thought he had seen such a sword before

01:40:39.000 and Sigur would feign buy it of him

01:40:44.060 at thrice its weight in gold.

01:40:47.760 But Sigmund said,

01:40:50.120 Thou mightiest have taken the sword no less than I

01:40:55.120 from there where it stood.

01:40:58.000 If it had been thy lot to bear it,

01:41:00.980 but now since it has first of all fallen into my hands,

01:41:06.620 never shalt thou have it.

01:41:09.000 Thou, though, biddest thereof all the gold thou hast.

01:41:13.840 So it was for my hands destined, and I don't care if you put all the gold you own, you're never going to get this sword.

01:41:24.960 King Sigur grew wroth at these words, and he deemed Sigmund had answered him scornfully.

01:41:33.720 but whereas whereas was a wary man and a double dealing he made as if he had heeded this matter

01:41:44.960 no wise yet that same evening he thought how he might reward it as was well seen afterwards

01:41:54.360 so this is a part of the story that kind of lends to the ongoingness of the story

01:42:00.860 he's scornful in his heart but he pretends that nothing is the matter and then he leaves and

01:42:12.260 immediately starts scheming as to how he will attain the blade or really get a vengeance

01:42:22.800 against sigmund who is his father-in-law

01:42:27.380 his brother-in-law oh excuse me brother-in-law yes sorry volsung's his father-in-law so yeah

01:42:37.700 and his wife's twin brother so i'd like to just throw out a plug for those recognizing

01:42:45.380 points of connection between this and the arthurian cycle

01:42:49.780 what a book that was profoundly inspiring to me was the mystery of the grail by julius evola

01:43:05.140 it really set me off on a very very interesting time of learning in my life and of exploring

01:43:16.500 things and concepts a few years ago that ended up that was my introduction into being able to

01:43:22.420 read the works of evola and understand them and put them in in context and uh

01:43:31.220 to have an orientation for them as evola would have put it so i would highly recommend that if

01:43:38.980 you're curious because there's a number of points of overlap that are really really interesting and

01:43:45.940 we might get into those at some point but uh i just wanted to put that out there and i felt like

01:43:52.100 this was an opportune time to do so yeah uh i wanted to say there's um the story of king nuata

01:44:00.500 and and uh lord tear the the loss of the arm of king nuata and the loss of the hand of

01:44:08.740 lord tier there is tons of parallels this one just happens you know more in the mortal realm but

01:44:16.820 there's a lot more to say on it and we might talk more about it later i'll certainly talk

01:44:21.460 more about it in person but um yeah if you're interested and you're curious pick that up take a

01:44:28.100 look yeah it's it's um that's a good read

01:44:38.740 um all right so we're shifting over to the next chapter okay so pause before we do because i'd

01:44:48.720 like to kind of weigh on in on this i will stay with you for chapter four but chapter four after

01:44:54.780 that i'm going to have to make my exit because i have to get on plane and go down to north carolina

01:44:59.840 to celebrate Austra with our good folk at Thor's Hall.

01:45:06.260 So that said, Richard Stoddard asked,

01:45:09.820 after hearing for years about how the gods do not care about the affairs of men,

01:45:14.080 this seems like a contradiction, or am I mistaken? 0.93

01:45:18.160 This absolutely contradicts silly people that have led you astray 0.90

01:45:22.840 by telling you the gods don't care about the affairs of men. 0.95

01:45:26.760 That is not the case.

01:45:28.340 that was not the case then it is not the case now our gods care very much about the affairs of men

01:45:37.140 do they care about how you do on your math test or you know whatever maybe maybe not do they care

01:45:46.020 about the affairs of heroes and the great affairs of their folk in general and especially those

01:45:52.180 who they have a bond of kinship or a bond through the gifting cycle with absolutely they care i have

01:46:00.180 felt their blessings in my life in many many ways as have so many of our folk whoever told you the

01:46:08.720 gods don't care about the affairs of men lied to you and i'm sorry that they did that swan do you

01:46:13.700 have anything that you would like to add yeah i i think that people were passing that around

01:46:21.380 because they wanted to separate new people coming into Ausatru from the concepts that they perhaps learned in Christianity.

01:46:34.620 But I do not believe it's true. The gods very much interact.

01:46:40.660 And we have made a point of this on VNS and in the Ausatru Folk Assembly in general,

01:46:48.100 that the the gods some some people might try to promote that the gods come down you know weigh

01:46:55.400 your heart against a feather and talk about the philgia as your lawyer no the gods are looking at

01:47:04.020 you now in your life they are it's the same as the saying in alistair where they say you know like

01:47:10.940 the holy gods please witness my deeds or you know witness what i'm what i am doing the point of that

01:47:18.040 is is that the gods are interconnected with the deeds we're doing now they're watching us

01:47:26.200 they're listening uh you know every every bloat we do um at thorsoff we you know we light uh a light

01:47:35.080 and we light a a sensor um to lord heindall and we ask him to hear and listen to our proclamations

01:47:46.680 and to hear our dedications and our obligations to our gods um it is now um i think that there's

01:47:55.720 some confusion um certainly there's majesty in the story and there is um a sense of giving to the

01:48:04.920 audience the bombastic like i had said before and that um the definitive sense of the gods coming

01:48:18.040 down and working within us is a it's appealing to our ancestors when they hear the stories we're

01:48:25.400 like this is awesome this is great um but it also laid the understanding yes the gods did

01:48:33.880 come down from the mountains of heaven him and bjerker and they came down and were in the world

01:48:42.680 of men in many different ways whether in disguise or whether outright but there is also the greater

01:48:52.520 sense in which the gods can interact with the world and that is through the the earth's well

01:49:00.840 earthbrunner in heaven so this implementation of will through the wellspring and then their own

01:49:10.680 individual willfulness i think causes a lot of confusion and you know we should we in the

01:49:18.360 lore we see them as both if they're at the well in heaven at the tree with the nornir

01:49:25.320 the origins of time and space and they are affecting by by implementing their dominion

01:49:33.320 into the skein of the wellspring and those ripples have effects but there's no stopping

01:49:44.680 that if the holy gods want to come down and interact they can and absolutely do and

01:49:52.440 as else here really said and i myself have had very um just moving and things that i can't explain

01:50:06.120 uh that can only befall the um the existence of the gods and they're coming into our world

01:50:15.320 quite often. Perhaps there may be a sense that there are certain holy gods that prefer in,

01:50:25.940 they seem in station to stand off or be in stasis, but there are others uniquely, for instance, Thor

01:50:34.500 or Odin

01:50:35.760 that the dynamic

01:50:38.560 lord is always moving

01:50:40.740 through the worlds

01:50:41.600 and Thor is deeply

01:50:44.560 connected to Midgar

01:50:45.980 so

01:50:46.960 yeah I think that that was

01:50:49.840 as Al-Syrgoly said I think that was

01:50:52.700 a false lie but I

01:50:54.280 I just wanted to premise that

01:50:56.380 perhaps they were doing it

01:50:58.380 to kind of break

01:50:59.720 people away from

01:51:02.380 bad habits that the original guy that did probably was these are the chest beating we don't bow to

01:51:11.740 our gods yeah nonsense types it's not all done out of malice but it is done out of ignorance and lack

01:51:20.680 of understanding but it's fine i got a flight to catch and also promise these good people i would

01:51:26.340 be with them through the end of chapter four all right one quarter of the content we have read this

01:51:32.560 evening so you have uh have the entirety of that to do in the next 12 minutes no all right so

01:51:40.960 seriously don't push it it's a rough estimate but i would like to get back to the material

01:51:45.240 well so uh sigmund draws the sword and his brother-in-law now uh made claim i'm a king

01:51:55.560 got the grumpy pants yeah and then he doesn't make it known so he goes back and is angry about it he

01:52:04.200 can't air his grievances openly chapter four how king sigir wedded signi and bade king volsung

01:52:14.920 and his son to gothland now it is to be told that sigir goes to bed by signi that night

01:52:24.280 And the next morning the weather was fair.

01:52:54.280 says Signy to her father, but now says Signy to her father, I have no will to go away with

01:53:02.060 Sigir, her new husband. Neither does my heart smile upon him, and I want my foreknowledge

01:53:10.800 and from the fetch of our kin that from this council will great evil fall on us if this

01:53:20.000 wedding be not speedily done she mentions fetch philkia and i just made mention of that and this

01:53:29.920 is an example not of the individual soul of a person's philkia because there are not not everyone

01:53:39.680 has a fully formed interactive powerful phil philkia some folks have more of an essence and

01:53:49.120 less of a a drive but she's talking about the kin philkia and this is what we're referring to

01:53:58.480 like at the hofs when we have the horse or the bear this is the kin philkia of the hof

01:54:05.920 and the people with it so she says i have been given auspice by our the spirit of our people and

01:54:19.120 it will not be good unless this uh wedding is speedily undone and everything's kind of backed

01:54:30.800 out of but remember it's not volsung who sees the treachery and cunning forming it's his son

01:54:42.080 and his daughter and his daughter's about to be married off um with political reasons

01:54:48.720 so volsung himself is not convinced he says uh speak in no such wise daughter for great shame

01:54:57.840 will it be to him i and to us also to break troth with him he being sackless uh

01:55:08.560 and again that's not probably what you're thinking with sackless uh it is me who are he who is

01:55:17.180 he who is without blame if you look down at the bottom there are notes there and it's say he's

01:55:26.700 saying he is unburdened he is although spawn um i i'm going to start using that as a term

01:55:38.060 in just the way you intended or you thought people might take it when folks show themselves

01:55:44.320 to be sackless even though it's wrong i'm still going to use it that's brutal um

01:55:54.080 so he being sackless and in not may we trust him and no friendship shall we have of him

01:56:04.380 after this, if these matters are broken off, but he will pay us back with evil lies as he may,

01:56:12.160 for that alone is seemly, to hold truly to troth given. So another word for honor and dishonor

01:56:21.360 would be, you know, seemly and unseemly. And so what he's saying is it would be seemly for them

01:56:29.440 to maintain their trough, it would be unseemly for them to suddenly break things off.

01:56:38.320 Excuse me. So King Sigur got ready for home. And before he went from the feast, he bade

01:56:47.600 or bid, he was bidding King Volsung, his father-in-law Les, come see him in Gothland,

01:56:57.180 and all his sons with him when as three months should be overpassed and to bring such a following

01:57:06.760 with him would have as he deemed meet for his honor and willed Sigur the king pay back for

01:57:17.880 the shortcomings of the wedding feast in that he would abide thereat but one night only

01:57:26.140 a thing not according to the want of men so king balsong gave word to come on the day named

01:57:36.080 and that he the kinsman-in-law parted and sigur went home with his wife so in essence he's saying

01:57:46.580 in three months time i want you to come to my hall and the part that i'm reading a little

01:57:55.960 i might be getting confused is that he's saying that you could stay longer than what would be

01:58:02.920 customary for politeness um

01:58:08.040 but he says in you know three months time let's you you know come with us and uh i will make up

01:58:20.880 for any shortcomings that were done during the feast and, uh, bring your son and bring as many

01:58:28.800 of your men as you want. And we will reconcile this, which is clearly something's going on.

01:58:37.460 All right, guys. So, so I appreciate that's fine. You knocked that out in seven minutes,

01:58:45.060 which is awesome. You got to be done before the eight o'clock hour. I appreciate you.

01:58:49.800 Richard Stoddard, who asked the question about the gods having concern about the affairs of men or not, says over in the chat, you know, sorry, you guess you have a lot to learn and maybe some stuff to unlearn.

01:59:01.620 Same for every single one of us, myself included.

01:59:04.960 We're all part of that process.

01:59:06.240 i appreciate you asking the question because as i've said a lot on here so much is not just

01:59:11.760 answering the question for the person who asked it but for all the people who are listening all

01:59:16.960 the people who will listen when this becomes a podcast to get that figured out and that is a

01:59:23.360 common thing that we do here that's you know not accurate information that a lot of people have

01:59:29.280 um you know has been circulated and have been told so no that was a great question to ask i'm glad

01:59:36.160 you did and i hope that our answers were useful to you thank you everyone so much for uh participating

01:59:43.280 in the chat tonight and being with us thank you swan for all that you do for reading um you know

01:59:49.440 you're doing all the the heavy lifting on these episodes um all right but no this is really

01:59:55.760 exciting it's very nice i've said this a lot going back over all right so i'm gonna do my

02:00:02.560 my old man thing and then i'm gonna leave so swan and i have done this for a very long time swan has

02:00:09.120 been doing this for eight years longer than me or so the point being when you first get involved in

02:00:19.200 also true you look at the stack of lore before you and you feel like there's this endless supply of

02:00:27.600 of lore but after you've been doing this if you're very committed for a number of years

02:00:34.000 we all have read the same things and some things you don't revisit for a long time

02:00:40.880 going back through these very basics of our lore again with somebody else and with you

02:00:48.400 guys as the audience is a really neat thing and i'm very privileged to be able to do that and do

02:00:55.280 that with one of my best friends and with you guys so this this is a really cool thing for me

02:01:02.320 i believe it is a really cool thing for spawn and i hope it's cool thing for you guys so i look

02:01:07.200 forward to our next uh edition on this in the meantime spawn's happy to answer as he said

02:01:13.200 earlier you heard it here folks any of your questions about anything you've got um we have

02:01:19.200 some stacked up in the chats fun if you'll go back through and hit the ones that i haven't um

02:01:25.920 and then yeah so you guys carry on i hope you guys have a great rest of the program

02:01:30.880 i am going to get on an airplane and i'm going to travel to north carolina and celebrate i'll be

02:01:36.880 seeing you tomorrow with my folk here this weekend it's going to be beautiful if you guys can make

02:01:42.080 it i would love to see you there if not i'll talk to you all in about a week at the latest

02:01:47.440 um but until then uh listen to spawn uh heed his read and uh hail the icer hill the folk

02:01:56.960 hail the afa and remember victory never sleeps i also will not sleep tonight because i it's an

02:02:04.560 overnight flight and i'm gonna get there you know 10 in the morning so i'm gonna power through and

02:02:09.520 we'll see how that works uh but i love you guys we'll see y'all later hope you guys have a great

02:02:14.080 night and that's fun i will see you tomorrow at some point yep in the afternoon all right night

02:02:24.960 that's uh it just hit me i'll be seeing him tomorrow like as if that's a normal occurrence

02:02:30.000 every day um uh i was here to go the you know you've heard him say you know my a very good

02:02:38.240 friend of mine and that's one of the interesting things about our relationship and the relationship

02:02:44.640 of our kinfolk in the ostrich folk assembly you know finding your your tribe if you will but 0.62

02:02:51.520 sometimes your tribe isn't right down the street would it be great if they were absolutely but

02:02:58.080 having that connection of friv starts the pathway towards creating friendship that is

02:03:09.680 not just simply amicable but you end up you know learning about private parts of our lives and uh

02:03:19.200 work and you know emotions and things going on and and before you know it um you know you

02:03:27.440 you have no faster of a friend and the only unfortunate thing is is like if you were in need

02:03:35.120 they would absolutely you know arrive to you to you but they just have to travel farther

02:03:43.040 but i mean it's as the havamal says you know even though it is long the road between a a friend

02:03:50.080 And it is well-traveled. It should be well-traveled and it should be straight and easy to fare.

02:04:02.460 So as we shift into this part here, I'm not really going to go any further into the Volsunga Saga.

02:04:14.380 but what i was wanting to do was answer some questions um i noticed on bns last episode i

02:04:22.980 was in the chat um it was a great episode i think that um i i really enjoy um witten erickson's

02:04:33.100 uh he has it's not an abruptness it's he cuts through the din he's kind of the opposite of me

02:04:41.720 i will speak and kind of elaborate and and um witten erickson will just i mean he just slices

02:04:51.360 right through straight to the point and he does it in a way that's i mean still eloquent but

02:04:58.280 there's no room for error with him and so i really enjoy um i'll be seeing him as well this weekend

02:05:06.360 um and uh i do enjoy speaking with him it's it's uh it's amazing his family's amazing and again

02:05:15.400 building these friendships over and i uh presided over his wedding so there are

02:05:22.280 links with you know as you are in the ausentruch folk assembly whether it's you know weddings uh

02:05:30.860 meeting people finding out things helping people move etc you end up really building these bonds

02:05:38.140 and the only tragedy is the united states is very big and it you know sometimes we travel

02:05:46.060 long distances to help our folk um so being that from last episode there was a lot of great

02:05:54.860 questions and i wanted to answer any questions that you guys might have about theology about

02:06:03.420 structures i know some people were asking about the aust veneer um i know that some people were

02:06:10.300 asking about the mural i thought that was a really interesting question the um the thought that uh

02:06:17.660 Heimir, the Jotun of the mural at Thorshof, that he was somehow non-folk. And that certainly wasn't

02:06:28.460 the case at all, actually. It was, again, the presentation of light and purpose in the

02:06:37.180 painting that I was trying to convey that made some of that.

02:06:43.820 um i don't know is everybody still watching um okay i'm switching over to a the uh the chat um

02:06:56.380 so we've only we've got two questions built up that we haven't touched yet but otherwise thank

02:07:02.220 you for guiding me nick where where are we at so in the private chat there's a question uh what

02:07:08.300 What are your thoughts on the Manosphere, Alpha Males, Sigma Males, and Andrew Tate?

02:07:15.440 Oh, okay.

02:07:17.920 Oh, that's an interesting one.

02:07:19.660 I would have loved to hear, I was hearing all these kind of opinion on this because I don't know if we've ever touched this.

02:07:27.320 But again, everything that dignifies seemliness for a man should be built around the essence of the inner guard.

02:07:44.880 What helps the inner guard?

02:07:47.200 What makes the inner guard better?

02:07:50.600 What are traits that are more bold and heroic?

02:07:54.560 So when you see people talk about boldness and heroism and masculinity, you will find that people will try to perhaps confuse or link our way of thinking with some of these Internet personalities.

02:08:15.100 I think that whenever I hear anyone outside of the inner guard speaking about perhaps the plights of modern society, they speak about the plights of modern day, you know, feminism eroding a lot of traditionalist ideas.

02:08:39.780 That is interesting. And I like to hear their opinions on things. However, certain emulations about them, certain things that they're interested in or doing, I can't, you know, get into them.

02:09:00.620 there's always that kind of caveat moment and i wonder too if they're enemies people that they

02:09:06.220 have enemies on the internet and they want to show people so they show them like one strange time one

02:09:12.940 strange thing and it it immediately you know turns people off from them um the one that comes to mind

02:09:21.100 right now that i could think of is like gavin mcginnis um however i try to even look past that

02:09:28.940 for a while just to make sure you know because you never know where the claims are or how

02:09:37.340 you know official they are with the internet but i've always taken them so lightly

02:09:45.980 i'm interested in certain subjects i'm interested in certain ideas but then when i see other things

02:09:52.380 it's it you know it's disgusting but some of the disgust for me doesn't stop me from continuing to

02:10:00.860 look for the wisdom in certain things um you know when it comes to uh you know uh that the attendance

02:10:12.940 towards money flying around so on and so forth i'm just like uh why or you know or what have you

02:10:21.980 but then other times i see you know like when uh andrew tate went i believe it was to poland

02:10:28.460 and he was you know speaking with like i think a loud speaker saying to the polish sir or to

02:10:35.180 someone i can't quite remember maybe it was the germans or romanians he was saying you know you

02:10:40.380 as you know christian men should be standing up for your nation i mean i don't think he's wrong

02:10:47.820 so i have a tendency to be very neutral when it comes to these personalities and i certainly don't

02:10:54.780 have or give off any um fandom for anyone in particular but i also don't give off like

02:11:03.340 a virulent amount of hatred i know we've spoken about even like vark on the internet and again

02:11:12.140 And I can glean wisdom here and there, but, you know, sometimes you have to cut through a lot of the garbage.

02:11:24.180 And if you can't do that, yeah, it just immediately turns it away.

02:11:31.140 or some folks only see the wisdom and don't see any of the problems and and you know deviant or

02:11:41.380 miscreant behavior so i don't know i think that and i know that sounds like a very political

02:11:48.660 answer i'm i'm this but not that you know it's just but it's true i i um have heard

02:11:57.220 but don't fully openly follow or attempt to overly subscribe to some of these internet

02:12:05.700 personalities in the in the manosphere i think it is very interesting that their politics sometimes

02:12:13.460 correlate i know that one of um he's uh i guess he's a follower of tate um you know he

02:12:22.580 He he turns around and he's speaking as if he I don't know if he is actually, but speaking as if he is a Muslim and, you know, some of the points of consideration there and whether that's done for shock or whether that's done out of true belief, I don't know.

02:12:42.800 But I do see that people's political and religious like tracks that they go on, depending on where they're at.

02:12:52.280 I've often wondered, too, I mean, even with self-reflection, the Auschwitz Folk Assembly is a religion.

02:13:01.560 We are faith. We are attempting to teach people and have them come back home to their native faith.

02:13:09.360 um would the cult of personality versus the entirety of the church and trying to make sure

02:13:25.900 I'm not saying that it's happening I'm not saying that there's anyone

02:13:29.640 fanboying it's it's that the focus should be on the greater the church it can be us but it can

02:13:41.680 be it can be anyone in the future depending on the way that the nornir lay out the threads

02:13:47.800 and um i you know i could be gone tomorrow so the emphasis is towards the gods towards the ancestors

02:13:56.820 towards the church. And I think that's more important. And when I see a lot of these guys

02:14:03.360 in their self-aggrandizement, I wonder, you know, is that the proper path? Are they as pious as they

02:14:13.240 say? Again, at the same time, you know, I don't necessarily

02:14:18.580 uh covet jealousy towards someone who is successful but at the same time certain

02:14:28.900 marks of success do not impress me you know if somebody's saying i can fly in a mini jet and do

02:14:35.220 this and and i can buy you know this in this country that doesn't necessarily you know bring

02:14:44.580 me to a sense of awe so sorry for that super political answer though i mean i think you

02:14:59.380 all right um this is funny noting that um you didn't watch or listen to the video last night

02:15:07.780 but uh oh but we got a question about the video uh says he saw the news video and uh has the afa

02:15:15.460 ever thought of doing their own series of videos on the community building like food pantries or

02:15:20.340 showing afa showcasing afa gatherings like taking our own media forward presence um yes absolutely

02:15:31.860 i mean here is the medium that we have youtube is is good the only problem is is that youtube

02:15:38.260 doesn't reach out as much as say a news station and no news station is going to run pro-positive

02:15:44.260 stuff about us simply because of all the you know uh internet and non-government organizational um

02:15:53.700 mythos if you will about us um we have been doing it slowly with our websites showing what we're

02:16:06.240 doing on our websites and um that's the first start of controlling the narrative but the big

02:16:14.280 thing is is that to be honest the reason why we haven't like you know ramrodded it down

02:16:21.840 from every social media site because we're not doing it for clout.

02:16:26.800 That's one of the most honest reasons.

02:16:32.320 You know, feeding people in our local area, you know, generally when you see like a sports star

02:16:39.640 and they're like, oh, I helped this person. And thankfully I was here and everything.

02:16:43.240 And it's like a big photo op. That really isn't there yet.

02:16:48.660 i think the other is logistics and technology uh wanting to have good um camera usage now we have

02:16:59.780 our hofsa different areas so camera usage in california to florida to north carolina etc

02:17:07.460 there would be some choppiness there but it it has been talked about um i think like you

02:17:15.140 like you said the logistics we're during the food pantries and the community building and the

02:17:21.700 gatherings we're busy running that doing things yes who who who records it who who videos it who

02:17:31.220 takes pictures yeah and um sometimes to take a picture right yeah i mean and and nick's right we

02:17:41.620 um sometimes at the food pantry just with scheduling the way it works out it's just me

02:17:45.860 and my children and we drive four and a half hours to drop off food we'll fix some things

02:17:54.580 that we can and then four and a half hours back so i mean we do massive amount of traveling twice

02:18:02.420 a month sometimes um and it's just us there's not a lot of folks that are able to kind of

02:18:10.020 focus in i would love for us to get to the point and i i fully intend i think that there will be a

02:18:17.980 point where um we would have media and an ability to put our narrative our our story forward and

02:18:31.020 you know uh i know people shy away from the word propaganda but it means to propagate and when you

02:18:37.720 have these negative things propagating all the time our best uh defense is to offensively propagate

02:18:48.040 the correct things that are going on the truth and you know when people are ignorant about a lot

02:18:52.840 of things but i and uh for anybody who's watched the the news chain or the news um that came out

02:19:01.720 on trt on youtube um you know the the biggest problem with the situation that that was

02:19:11.400 the reporters were extremely kind they were extremely respectful and deferential in

02:19:19.480 all ways i i didn't get um a nice guy up front and then a bad actor like once the camera started

02:19:27.320 rolling but they do chop things up and they do you know split things around and they don't allow for

02:19:34.760 full explanations and you know me long-winded you know but they were just like i need i needed that

02:19:41.560 little thing and they cut it off um and uh so you have to bear that in mind when you watch these

02:19:50.040 things and at the same time don't get filled with dread um when these come out we get an overwhelming

02:20:00.680 wave of emails and a lot of them are supportive and a lot of them are supportive from non-folk

02:20:07.400 uh well like i remember with uh murdoch it was a lot of non-folk women um

02:20:13.000 um I I'm pretty sure they were black women but they were like very supportive in that what we

02:20:22.540 were doing for our own people it could be perhaps because they feel that um you know there's a huge

02:20:29.920 amount of push for interracial coupling and that their uh men folk are you know being encouraged

02:20:36.760 go for our women folk and so perhaps there's a link there where they feel you know that this

02:20:43.480 is a good thing that we're shoring up um and i think the biggest concern for everyone is our

02:20:51.880 intentions and you know after a few months they they find we want privacy we want to be able to

02:20:59.320 honor our gods and our ancestors and we will help the community because helping

02:21:07.320 is noble and we are as the outsider focus assembly one of the key tenants of our faith

02:21:14.200 is to move towards nobility there's no reason to be ignoble to someone simply because they are who

02:21:22.920 they are but it's it we we need rationale if we are to have any stand against someone if they are

02:21:36.200 detrimental and want to hurt us hurt our children yes that's rational but we have no irrational fear

02:21:43.240 towards people so helping people as it is and again we find i find in north carolina the uh the

02:21:52.280 the help is you know fairly even um between the peoples that live there and um

02:22:02.360 you know i think another thing too is um they wonder perhaps like if we're you know

02:22:10.280 feeding one group of people better and then just given kind of scraps off on the others no

02:22:15.480 we try to maintain a fairness we try to be noble in our deeds even when no one's looking or if

02:22:22.760 they're postulating things without any evidence it doesn't really matter at the end of the day

02:22:26.760 we're just acting on our own with nobility first because that never comes into question that never

02:22:35.400 that will never stand if it's an accusation there's no need for it so um yeah i hope that answers

02:22:45.480 a little bit of that i had you know the the interview itself i i could talk at length about

02:22:51.480 that too it was very interesting next question is i think a bit easier for you uh what type of beard

02:22:59.080 oil do you use ah you're gonna do a barber question i have a barber for anybody that's

02:23:06.280 watching that doesn't know i'm a master barber um technically by license um and uh

02:23:16.840 so i was just talking about this today i have what i consider a short beard i believe that

02:23:24.760 any beard that extends to your collarbone is a mid beard and any beard that goes past your

02:23:30.200 collarbone is long beard and beard oils are not needed for a shorter beard because the hair is

02:23:40.040 pulling oil out of the skin so the better thing to do is to switch over to a balm because you can

02:23:48.440 control it's it's a lot lighter and then the other is uh to buy a beard conditioner to use in your

02:23:57.400 shower so you know you you shampoo your head you you shampoo your beard and then you rinse that

02:24:03.080 out and you put a a beard conditioner in it and let it sit for 60 seconds and you walk out of

02:24:10.600 there it's like silk and you know if you later on in the day you want to add a little beard balm to

02:24:17.320 just make sure it's soft you know but the the big thing about short beards too is they retain their

02:24:24.520 shape so the way that they're cut and shaped they don't really drift so if you have a medium beard

02:24:31.640 you have a long beard that shape is going to sometimes it splits in the middle it frays

02:24:38.200 um so that's when you should start considering beard oils um and just be careful about putting

02:24:46.280 like the beard oil in your mustache um if you are getting dry in here that oil isn't really

02:24:52.600 going to help it's going to wick out to the ends of the hair you need to get something that when

02:24:57.000 you're in the shower you're rubbing it down to your skin like a conditioner that will help with

02:25:02.040 any dry spots um yeah that's my take on that i have a i recommend there is a brand called cremo

02:25:12.840 now i don't recommend everything from them but they make a phenomenal beard conditioner um but

02:25:19.240 you need to find the one that has the almost like a shampoo bottle top um and i've only been able to

02:25:25.000 find those on amazon that that opens up a whole bunch of stuff i you know all of a sudden people

02:25:33.480 start talking about like what razors should i get or uh that would be funny yeah he also mentioned

02:25:40.520 uh wanting to be noble enough to earn a haircut from you and i mentioned it's a winter night's

02:25:46.840 tradition to so get to uh new hampshire in uh in uh october and he said unfortunately he'll be

02:25:54.200 uh in scandinavia in october well i am also um cutting hair at austra so i will be doing

02:26:05.160 haircuts there i'm bringing my stuff enough people kind of asked me like hey did you bring your stuff

02:26:09.960 and i was like oh i don't i can't you know it's too busy but now um witten young and uh his wife

02:26:19.240 and everyone at the hof we're they're they are so well uh put together now that i feel like i can

02:26:28.680 take some time to maybe we have you on the on the on the schedule for a blunt so you'll have

02:26:35.880 all the free time yeah well and i'm doing storytelling too i'm going to be doing

02:26:42.760 storytelling for the children and i will be doing storytelling for children and adults that one will

02:26:48.120 be a little bit more um graphic and uh more uh warrior um ethos versus the children's one which

02:26:57.880 is usually toned toned down and and um just made less aggressive

02:27:07.880 all right have you read william morris's poetic version of the story of the both songs in the fall

02:27:13.240 of nibelungs if so how accurate was it to the original uh legends okay the name is not

02:27:23.320 hitting me so i don't know if i've read it i've read a lot of different excerpts but william morris um

02:27:38.360 that that got me i don't i don't recall the name um and now i'm i'm writing things down

02:27:48.680 have i read this yeah have you read it i don't believe i have

02:27:57.960 william morris's translation of the volsunga saga now you know when you get into certain folks like

02:28:08.360 the children of odin or uh there's certain books that are kind of outer removed um and i wonder

02:28:17.320 about them and their uh licensing that they take in telling the stories uh what was his last name

02:28:27.320 again william morris morris yeah and he said his version of the versunga saga and the story of the

02:28:37.080 nibelons right yeah the the nibelungs the ones of the mist nibel is mist or shadow the the shadowy

02:28:52.600 misty ones um and that though that those interconnected to the stories of uh the cursed

02:28:59.720 ring um and of course the great opera is amazing um but no i've never read that that version i'm

02:29:10.520 sorry i really wish i could answer that all right more barber advice um fondy recommend hair tonics

02:29:22.120 no i do not recommend hair tonics um they are again kind of like an addition on to

02:29:32.440 hair and if your hair is short if you're a man and you have a proper haircut it'll probably be

02:29:38.040 short and sometimes hair tonics can either have alcohol and dry you out or they have oils and

02:29:44.120 they add oil onto natural hair that's you know that might get oily anyways so i'm not a huge fan

02:29:53.320 of tonics um i just recommend that men stop using two and ones three and ones you should

02:30:01.640 uh i have a very militaristic regiment and the idea is you know to wash the head wet wash the

02:30:08.920 head wash the beard and then with a washcloth do your entire upper body rinse everything off

02:30:16.280 add another soaping so i do two soaps and a conditioner and i learned this in barber school

02:30:22.280 because that's what we do when we uh wash at uh wash stations um the second and everyone says

02:30:29.720 you know that's going to dry me out it's going to rob my hair of you know valuable uh nutrients

02:30:36.360 know that that first wash only gets surface debris the second wash actually gets into the

02:30:44.360 inner pieces of the follicles of hair and then you do a conditioner to replenish your hair

02:30:51.960 of those lost things you let it sit for 60 seconds so i do upper body and wash the hair

02:30:58.040 lower body wash the hair and then i take time to uh wash my feet while the conditioner sits in

02:31:08.360 and that's what i really recommend to guys to help them out

02:31:14.200 all right um sierra chapman folks that are cal what are your opinions on the recent documentary

02:31:22.680 well we kind of already talked about that um also are you going to watch the new matt walsh

02:31:29.320 documentaries i don't i don't even know what she's talking about i don't pay attention to the matt

02:31:35.320 walsh documentaries um the last one i i watched or i watched uh what is a woman um and you know

02:31:44.360 i thought it was pretty funny i i'm just i think right of center um stuff is very rare so watching

02:31:54.680 that is was more entertaining i do think matt walsh is an interesting character he was um

02:32:05.160 i remember he was sitting on a panel and there was like the catholic uh

02:32:09.800 knowles i forgot his first name and ben shapiro and he was saying like i don't believe that we

02:32:17.640 should uh you know conduct our patriotism in direct reference to our support to an ally and um

02:32:28.360 that kind of shook everybody up on the panel which it shouldn't it's such a you know um uh

02:32:36.120 innocuous point that you know our our your nation shouldn't as patriots you know you shouldn't be so

02:32:46.440 dependent on you know also touting um cross relations with like I don't know France or

02:32:54.600 England or what have you so it was pretty funny to see that and that made me wonder about Matt

02:32:59.400 wall she's kind of a an interesting character so his um stuff i do watch every now and then yeah

02:33:07.160 uh what is a woman and am i racist and i watched both of them um but yeah you know uh at the same

02:33:18.240 time it is you wonder about the daily wire and uh prager you of course and um epoch times and

02:33:28.740 I take them with a grain of salt. I find myself to be more in the middle on the left, right paradigm. I find myself to be more in a third position on a lot of that stuff. So I take some consideration on the left. I do take some consideration and critique on the right. And yeah, but I've seen both of them. I thought they were interesting.

02:33:56.940 Oh, and your question about the article, or not the article, the news that came out by TRT.

02:34:07.100 Like I said, the people that came there were very respectful, but I knew that this was going to be a hit piece.

02:34:16.080 And the dramatic music, you know, the implications that we weren't religious.

02:34:23.480 And I think that we blew that out of the park when they were there.

02:34:26.940 they saw us hold bloats um and they were super respectful about it but uh you know when my

02:34:35.160 children were there doing bloats which is our religious services um in the doc or in the article

02:34:43.200 or documentary or whatever it would be classified as they were like and they indoctrinate their

02:34:49.680 children and it was like this comical music and i was like yeah it's like yes it's our religion like

02:35:03.760 i don't so comical to some sense i also feel that the head of the media of for them wanted a hit

02:35:14.160 piece and i really feel that they had to work for it i think they came there and found out a lot

02:35:21.520 about us i remember the reporter even said hey can um after all of this is done can i come back and

02:35:30.960 maybe because i'm a photojournalist can i come back and take some pictures and i was like well

02:35:36.880 it really depends on how bad this thing is and he was like fair enough fair enough and he even asked

02:35:43.760 that to elsewhere so um i don't know if he's gonna come back and say hey you know that wasn't me

02:35:51.760 that was the upper echelons i'm just a reporter etc i don't know how we'll play that but

02:36:00.320 that's what he was from my side of the camera with him and um and he had a producer with him

02:36:09.040 a woman who was very nice she was she blessed our our hoff she was um pregnant she was due

02:36:17.600 in a couple of months and you know that's always a good blessing to have a woman uh with full child 0.98

02:36:25.440 healthy and folk woman in our hoff um but she was kind of the hardball uh she would walk up behind 0.95

02:36:34.320 him and kind of feed him these you know more aggressive questions about you know do you

02:36:40.800 denounce uh anybody who practices fascism coming into your into your church and it's like does the

02:36:48.960 does the catholic church do like a political roster on everybody that you know comes in or

02:36:56.640 you know is this about making people realize that this is not a political battle this is a spiritual

02:37:04.160 battle and it requires us to fix ourselves to fix our family to fix our deeds and to start acting in

02:37:14.640 a way where i think a lot of people who are say politically trying to rabble rouse it's easier to

02:37:24.320 you know make people angry on the internet and and then you know nobody knows who you are

02:37:30.080 personally and that's it but there's a different sense when you suddenly change and you're like no

02:37:37.200 i have to change myself uh you know my my my family my work i'm a representative of my faith

02:37:44.960 and you start going from negative you know pot clanging to positive building and reinforcement

02:37:55.360 and that's hard work and i think a lot of people don't want to do it or they just can't or they

02:38:00.560 realize and a lot of those people do leave angry um you know i've heard it you you guys aren't

02:38:09.440 working for the the the principles that you know i thought you were working for when you came in

02:38:15.760 they they miss it they miss the point and they really sometimes just want to

02:38:21.360 beat the pot make everybody angry on the internet and just live in that obscurity and going from

02:38:30.040 that to having your real name being up front and out there um and you know your your existence

02:38:39.540 is a form of activism where you are doing things and not being worried about oh my work this or

02:38:53.480 that and i know i'm i'm self-employed but um you know understanding this is our faith we have

02:39:01.260 religious freedoms and you know just because a non-government organization and a bunch of lawyers

02:39:07.660 a cabal of lawyers um says that we are something doesn't mean that it's true and we have so much

02:39:16.360 deed proving against a lot of the sniping that goes on

02:39:22.240 all righty this next one i'm going to apologize to the fellow who asked it because

02:39:31.380 i'd skipped over it thinking it was directed towards the chat apparently i've been informed

02:39:36.740 he wants me to ask it yeah yeah i i did want to say too though there was a lot of good theological

02:39:47.060 questions last week and i would love to answer some of that stuff like about the oust veneer

02:39:53.380 and all that but here we go we're going we're going to travel this is a little it's not it's

02:39:58.180 not about it's not about the interview or the interview anyway uh does anyone else feel a

02:40:02.660 little a bit stronger and luckier when they wear their hammer not necessarily physically

02:40:08.980 it's almost like a state of mind that's how i started the habit just wanted the strength to

02:40:13.300 face the day yeah uh i saw this come in really early on i hope they're still with us whoever

02:40:22.900 asked the question yeah yeah yeah okay so um absolutely um

02:40:30.020 i i think that it starts with the testament of truth the testament towards returning to

02:40:41.300 the gods of your ancestors is the most far back primal source imagine us as being kind of the

02:40:50.240 ends of the roots of a tree and this is all the way back there and once you become aware

02:40:55.980 you suddenly see yourself as not being so disconnected and then you see you know history

02:41:03.660 your ancestors and then you see the people that revived Ausatru in the 70s and 80s and a lot of

02:41:11.820 the stuff that they were going through and then it comes to you and you suddenly realize you're

02:41:16.920 part of a bigger picture and you're not so alone you're not you're not bearing some great

02:41:25.260 responsibility per se of the past but you have a responsibility of the future but it's not i don't

02:41:32.940 feel the anxiety of that i feel like almost as if i was to shape clay and and the excitement of where

02:41:41.580 this can go and what this can do um i did not see myself in 2016 being on youtube and talking to

02:41:51.180 people all over the u.s or even all over the world um and getting a chance to speak about

02:41:59.100 my beliefs in ousatru um and i think we need that we need a chance for us to

02:42:09.100 unify and get on the same page we've been so disconnected you know there's people

02:42:16.220 um that like you know on telegram but they're only doing one way they're just spouting out stuff

02:42:23.380 and it's up to the readers to take it like it uh or not like it or what have you but here's

02:42:31.320 interaction there's an ability for other people who might catch this later to listen and hear

02:42:38.240 um opinions and takes on faith um that we just don't hear people talking about

02:42:48.800 it is it in a book or is it you know perhaps like a single guy speaking about tenants on

02:42:55.560 on the on the internet and i think that would encourage people to come down here

02:43:00.780 and speak more about it but yes i feel empowered by that i always have since 1994

02:43:09.140 i don't know if i lost you there

02:43:19.280 sorry i'm talking over here and my uh i'm on mute

02:43:24.400 i started off wearing a hammer a lot and then i got away from it because i have a giant

02:43:30.700 tattoo of a hammer on my arm so like everybody could see it but then i've started picking up

02:43:37.420 wearing a hammer again just because and i'm like i still i don't like wearing a necklace i don't know

02:43:46.140 but yeah some people can't because of their work um and i have to watch because i'm allergic to

02:43:53.900 a lot of different types of metal so i get a rash

02:43:55.820 oh a lot of people supplement but that's what he said too it's more of a frame of mind

02:44:01.580 yeah not necessarily a physical object certainly um in regards to the book the william morris book

02:44:07.820 it is apparently called the story of sigurd the volsung and the fall of the nibelums

02:44:13.420 from 1876. okay i'm definitely gonna write down the date

02:44:21.020 um that should be enough for me to kind of get in there

02:44:26.380 i may have read pieces of it and i i have an odd book collection also to the book collection flows

02:44:35.820 i've had people you know i borrow and i you know give out and then people move away and

02:44:42.860 books just have a way to have their own wings um yeah all right who are the gods of time

02:44:52.940 in germanic cosmology the norns

02:44:59.980 is that is that it on the question that's the question oh okay yeah on that subject spawn who

02:45:05.260 are the gods of time and germanic pathology in cosmology germanic cosmology okay so one thing

02:45:10.940 that's super important to remember is that there are elements of of existence there are primordial

02:45:21.740 powers and the isir are stewards they hold dominion over the influx of those things but

02:45:32.940 also too there are yachtins who have influence on these primordial powers the best way to think of

02:45:41.340 it is we don't have like a goddess of the sun in more respects we have the goddess that presides

02:45:50.780 over the must spell spark it's it's uniquely different than what i see um perhaps maybe in

02:46:01.180 modern representations but yes let's look at the norns first the norns are in heaven and they are

02:46:10.060 at the well of earth at the base of the tree the tree itself is the uh circulatory heart

02:46:19.500 of the entire cosmos and you know no none know how deep or how far those roots go um

02:46:29.420 and the first root the or excuse me i should say the the the third root it is the third root

02:46:36.140 um it is the last root the one that lays itself into the well of earth and earth is the origin

02:46:46.380 of time all things that happen flow from this source so all events all indications of

02:46:58.620 action everything flowing and every day the holy gods come there and they meet out

02:47:06.060 the judgment of men is how the doom of men is written and i have always taken that that the

02:47:12.780 the holy gods are influencing time from the origin. Is it done? I'm not proposing that the

02:47:25.380 gods have done everything they need to do in some great past time. But what I am saying is that as

02:47:34.140 time flows and as the nornir um place into the water the skein they are in the upper world and

02:47:44.620 that water flows down through the mountains in in and down into the middle world and that is

02:47:52.300 allegoric for time is ordered by the gods of order and there they touch the skein of water

02:48:01.340 those ripples that they make their dominion um i was telling my son today he's 13 years old we're

02:48:10.060 starting to get into deeper religious concepts and you know when he was younger we'd tell the

02:48:16.540 stories about lord thor the red warrior with the hammer and the chariot but and i remember him even

02:48:24.380 looking in storms to see if he could find him um and then you know as he got older it's like

02:48:30.860 there's storms all over the world but the dominion that lord thor places in the through the skein

02:48:38.940 of water that is the primordial source of time every ripple every fingertip touch is again

02:48:47.980 placing dominion and oftentimes that's because there's ripples coming in from elsewhere the

02:48:54.780 The Jotuns and their activities in the middle have to be headed off or there is a sense where the gods have to cap off the most primordial place in the middle world, which is the ocean. 0.86

02:49:10.580 So they bring Eir and Raun under their dominion, but not always. 0.99

02:49:19.640 Some of them, you know, move their way around.

02:49:23.440 so we see that a lot in our holy gods when we see render the her name means the rind or the

02:49:32.160 like a crust of ice or snow we see grither grither means like grinding and conflict

02:49:42.400 or we see it with skadi the scathing one um i believe that these are primordial elements in

02:49:50.240 our middle world uh that are in they're in dominion of these beings so glaciers scathing

02:50:01.760 the mountainside avalanche or just the the overall presence of mountain and that scabi has dominion

02:50:13.120 in these areas and she comes under allegiance of the gods so there are elemental points where the

02:50:22.400 uh the gods you know unite and this started with the vanir i've always taken the vanir to be the

02:50:29.600 gods of water and of the earth and the isir are the gods of the sky and of light and of fire and

02:50:38.000 when they have their battle they finally come together cosmic order natural law but it doesn't

02:50:46.160 stop there the yachtins some of them do join and then others don't so to speak a little bit more

02:50:53.680 um because one of the questions is can we get a lowdown on the house veneer

02:50:59.840 and you just named three of them

02:51:01.280 yeah um well and i'll get back to why and some of that stuff in a minute um

02:51:09.720 so to answer further there are the norms but there is also mimir this brings us to the second well

02:51:19.480 and i've heard people try to proclaim that mimir is the godhead of time but what they're forgetting

02:51:27.280 is Mimir's well is the receptacle of time. So all things in origin, there is a starting point.

02:51:36.320 If Earth's well is the starting point, way up high. Remember I spoke about our ancestors,

02:51:44.520 you know, the center of the world somewhere there was these mountains and this is where the gods

02:51:49.140 live and there's the tree. They weren't separated little bubble worlds. Of course, we do that now.

02:51:57.280 But that flow of water and roots goes down, and all things that happen from the starting point end at the ending point, which is the well of memory.

02:52:12.560 Mimir's well, and it is memory because you cannot have a memory without experience.

02:52:20.380 Earth's well is the origin. Mimir's well is the receptacle of receiving origin.

02:52:25.760 so you know the folks that are like oh no mimir is the godhead of time and he is you know by

02:52:33.680 extension lord ovin i think they're misled and they need to understand why the upper middle

02:52:42.540 and lower world cosmology and the movement between things is so important so earth's well

02:52:50.880 is that origin. Mimir's well is the receptacle of experience, all things that happen, all things

02:52:57.960 that flow. And on top of that, Jotunheim, just like Vonaheim, has a secular relationship with

02:53:08.520 the middle world. They are flowing in something and pulling out something. They're in the middle

02:53:16.600 world, and that's another reason why they're called the waning, the vanir, that waning, that

02:53:22.460 rise and fall. So they are placing in life, and they are receiving death, or in essence, the life

02:53:31.260 essence that goes back. Life is constantly being pushed in and constantly dying, and it's this

02:53:37.440 natural law. But Jotunheim is different. Jotunheim, and the reason why Mimir's Well is in Jotunheim,

02:53:44.580 not Votnheim is because of the purpose that Jotunheim is doing. Jotunheim places in resistance,

02:53:53.880 deterioration. It's constantly trying to break things down. And as it does dissolve, it also

02:54:02.440 retracts the proto matter, the breakdown of it all. So here we have Jotunheim

02:54:14.320 and its purpose is dissolvement life is here dissolvement is constantly working against it

02:54:24.140 so life is going to evolve but life dies and comes back and there's this interplay between

02:54:31.540 the gods of life the vanir and the jotun the beings that are trying to tear it or break it

02:54:40.900 or just by their very existence there are like a resistance to everything like a like a stiff wind

02:54:49.140 or you know the the water breaking down stone or the erosion of something they're constantly there

02:54:57.320 and pulling back into Jotunheim in a way I I often feel like it's an attempt to

02:55:05.380 retract that which was taken from them by the gods. And that's kind of how the cycle begins.

02:55:13.480 But since everything's being drawn back in, Mimir's well is there and time itself is being

02:55:20.560 drawn back in there. And then we see with Thor, when he goes to Jotunheim, he goes against 0.79

02:55:30.100 Utgard-Loki, sometimes referred to as his mother, his grandmother, or his nanny, but she is clearly

02:55:42.140 time. She stands against Thor, and Thor only bends one knee to her, and everyone laughs,

02:55:52.560 of course, because he's lost a fight to a grand-grand or a nana, and then later on it is 0.96

02:55:58.400 revealed she is the embodiment of that and i think she's the embodiment of that dissolvement

02:56:08.340 of time which is right with the uh entirety of the autumn she dissolves things over time

02:56:17.820 she breaks them down and she is the core principality of that that is sent into the

02:56:24.380 middle world, and Lord Thor stood up against her without any golden apples, without any

02:56:32.880 understanding of the situation, and only bent a knee. So when you talk about time, there is,

02:56:42.340 now when we start to get a little bit more esoteric, I would say Heimdallur is a lord of

02:56:49.820 time um in the iron mark calendar we refer to saturday as heimdall's day and the reason for

02:57:00.200 this is is because it's noted heimdall sees the grass grow he hears the sheep uh wool growing

02:57:09.440 he is one foot in the middle world and one foot in the heavenly realm he is a focus of the light

02:57:19.040 that is the divine. And that I don't think is accidental, that it comes out prismatically.

02:57:29.760 He is an orderer of the divine. And then he goes down into the middle world and goes with the

02:57:37.500 first generation, great grandmother, and asks if he can be invited into their home. And so this

02:57:45.660 generation brings in the divine and in doing so they're transformed for forever they they grow

02:57:52.200 and he does this multiple times and so in the story you see a generational

02:57:58.500 sense of of uh it's they're not actually people this is symbolic of a generation an evolution of

02:58:08.200 the folk. So he is oftentimes, I think, at least for me, but looked over as in his prominence in

02:58:19.300 time, his ability to give. He is often seen in stasis. He sits in Himenberg. He has, you know,

02:58:29.500 his duty and waits with Gjellarhorn, or perhaps Gjellarhorn is waiting for him in Mimir as well.

02:58:36.820 That's an interesting thing in the Grimnest Mal, but I won't go into that right now.

02:58:41.820 But he has a vehicle.

02:58:44.180 He has a horse, Gulenthalp.

02:58:46.740 And any horse or animal of that nature, a vehicle always represents the ability to be dynamic and to move through the worlds.

02:58:58.200 These are symbolic words for he has that ability.

02:59:01.860 So he's not just static.

02:59:04.100 He can move.

02:59:04.760 and he proves that over and over again and his witnessing of time outside of the heavenly time

02:59:13.160 into the middle world he sees the outcome of earth's well-making origin

02:59:21.960 so right off the top of my head those those beings i think are connected to

02:59:27.960 time and it is worth remembering that our faith when ganungagap is filled there are elements in

02:59:41.640 the great gap and our holy gods and the yachtins have dominion or influence or ability to move

02:59:51.240 so uh suna is presiding over the muspel spark maoni who's utilizing this this proto matter

03:00:03.160 from the beginning to perfectly turn our world it's it's so instrumentally set that if either

03:00:14.040 one of them left it would be the end it would be the end of us and so they are wardens or presiders

03:00:24.280 over great primordial things but this also applies to other things um you know when when i uh at

03:00:32.600 thor soft when i'm talking about um like electromagnetism and electricity and when we

03:00:41.880 speak of one of the haiti of lord thor it's which means they is a holy space and is strength

03:00:53.320 i was talking about that you know i think this is true in his embodiment of dominion

03:01:00.360 over the atomic electron and so we kind of go really i wouldn't say off the rails but

03:01:09.640 we get pretty deep when it you know gets to these things because the gods are more than just

03:01:18.120 the lore more than just the the poems that we have and that comes about by building that gift

03:01:25.800 cycle with the holy gods and then witnessing them more and more in their involvement um

03:01:34.440 in our in our existence so we have the upper world and we have the middle world and we have

03:01:42.440 the two side worlds you know influxing in and then we have the the nether world neither valor

03:01:49.400 the uh drawing all the kind of leftover dross into it and then way way down is nivelheim and uh

03:02:00.200 the the kind of back to the source and the first root of Yggdrasil and it's a place that's far away

03:02:08.380 so it's you know in essence it's kind of a safe place um that we are you know drawn to where our

03:02:16.780 our uh ancestor souls are kept and uh under the dominion that was handed to hell to keep human

03:02:25.640 souls um specifically as opposed to like animal souls being drawn back into vanaheim you know the

03:02:33.960 uh the source of of them the fidelity of animals is kind of like um the spreading of you know life

03:02:42.040 as a palm but the fingers make individual souls of these animals and as they are called they go back

03:02:49.480 but human souls are unique they they go a different cycle and um the reason for that is

03:02:56.360 because they need to be brought to the first root um and the well vergelma and that

03:03:04.760 root goes all the way back to the top back to the first well

03:03:11.880 so um yeah i kind of went off on that one there but

03:03:18.920 Just to reiterate, the Nornir, absolutely.

03:03:24.200 And they are aligned with the gods.

03:03:27.180 They're still fairly neutral.

03:03:30.220 They don't seem to state benefit, but they are certainly working with and staying in the domain of the heavenly realm.

03:03:42.020 So we see them there.

03:03:43.460 And then they are very particular in implementing their presence within the fates of men. 0.82

03:03:53.300 And then we have Abid, the nanny or grandmother in Jotunheim. 0.82

03:04:01.300 And we have Mimir, the lord who is placed over the well, the receptacle of action.

03:04:09.000 And Lord Odin's eye is there to witness.

03:04:11.640 and in a way I think it's poetic for he is he has synthesized with Yggdrasil

03:04:20.420 but he also has an eye in the well of memory just in case and you notice this poetically

03:04:29.380 with Lord Odin all the time he has the ravens out to gather information he's you know always

03:04:37.780 around and about looking for things searching for things but just in case he misses something

03:04:44.300 it all flows back to the secret well mimir's well and he'll catch it there

03:04:51.640 all righty so this one's going to be fun um and you've already kind of touched on a little bit of

03:05:03.260 the origin of yotans but this one specifically is seeing as the yotnar are the alsatru equivalent to

03:05:13.580 the titans or the asuras do you believe yotnar are actually demons as in a hindu faith they

03:05:22.160 literally believe the asuras are demons well i think that you see that influence

03:05:28.920 far more wherever aryan folk have kind of intermixed with other folk you know the greeks 0.57

03:05:36.380 or the hellenics with the phoenicians you see this with the iranians and their mixture with

03:05:43.360 the leftovers of the sumerians and you see this too with the aryans or oraya who come into india

03:05:53.860 and mixed with the Dravidians, there is this polarizing effect of, of one group to another.

03:06:03.980 And I think that's because the social situation reflects that there are two groups. And a lot of 0.85

03:06:12.460 the times they were resisting this intermixture, you know, and the Araya who come into India say, 0.98

03:06:18.660 you're not allowed to eat the cattle and then over time it comes to a point where it's 0.99

03:06:25.720 no one eats the cattle um but when you look at the celtic and germanic the famorians

03:06:36.480 and the yachtnar what you find is that it's it's far more gray and what i mean by that is you'll

03:06:46.040 find there's uh written about the famorians are written about the yotnar they're

03:06:52.200 massive strong uh some of them are bright and beautiful um they're not just simply

03:07:00.920 you know fanged horned animalistic creatures of of uh you know degeneracy and primalness

03:07:10.920 do they exist yes i would say that the thirst but the thirst word even by the time in the 14th century

03:07:19.160 is used kind of in not improperly but i think without consideration because the meaning had

03:07:30.280 been lost so you'll see thurser used in relation and we can see that with the runes the runes

03:07:38.920 mentioned the thurser as being more a kind of evil so i think that the the thurser rune

03:07:47.720 or the thurser uh word was eventually transferred over to troll so if there was an equivalency

03:07:57.080 of a demon or um a jinn or and i know i'm using um technically demon isn't the right word uh

03:08:06.520 christianity is semitic so it would be should dim um and or yes i believe it's should dim

03:08:16.440 i i forgot the aramaic word for it um but they ended up using greek angelos and demon um

03:08:25.160 the equivalency of something like that i would argue is thirst or troll and uh for those that

03:08:31.720 are you know listening it's t-h-u-r-s not thirst but thirst um and i would even safer bet would be

03:08:41.720 that it evolved into the word troll now trolls have kind of been dominionized over time and 0.57

03:08:47.640 turned into cute little naked things with poofy hair and and what have you um but

03:08:54.760 But a true troll, a true thirst is something of just desperate isolation, a piece of that from the world of the Jotnar that sneaks its way in and nests itself in a place of great trauma or great isolation.

03:09:20.280 usually seems to be those two and then attacks defends and just holds that area

03:09:30.520 um and does great malice to anyone that happens to come upon them or is you know again trapped

03:09:40.380 sometimes in those places and um they're foul beings they're foul creatures and um i think

03:09:48.720 that they they do take different shapes and they come there's different things you know uh again

03:09:55.680 you in in um the sagas you know we hear about the troll wives though the wolf riding or troll

03:10:04.000 witches um again troll is a perfect example of this the wolf represents mobility they have an

03:10:10.560 ability to leave jotunheim and come in here at great speed and they're usually here like a wolf 0.62

03:10:17.280 amongst an uh a uh society built around animal husbandry they're here for no good and they're

03:10:25.280 here for a voracious appetite to tear and to burn and to break or to plague on children or to plague

03:10:33.200 on sleeping people and all of those things and uh i know that some people might not

03:10:43.360 conceptualize this but it is the gods in particular it is thor and his dominion that

03:10:49.120 keeps them at bay from being able to roll in here in waves and droves do they sneak past yes

03:10:58.000 and do they exist yes but uh thor keeps them at bay in great amount and there are ways you can

03:11:08.480 deal with them um whether it's word locking them or you know whether it's extraditing them out um

03:11:17.840 and things like that i you know that's a very interesting subject but yeah i would say the

03:11:22.320 equivalency would be thirst or i really want our people to bring back the usage of the word troll

03:11:29.840 in its proper sense because by christianity's time it was turn it was starting to turn

03:11:38.320 but there is a reason why they speak about the troll witches wolf riding troll witches

03:11:44.400 terrible beings with the with the possibility now there's also an understanding that even

03:11:50.560 some of these beings have been brought under the dominion of the gods at balder's funeral a wolf

03:11:58.560 riding jotnar named hyrokin comes to the funeral of balder now she is later killed um but that's

03:12:10.160 for other grievances but you see was is that story based perhaps is it a story plot um but

03:12:18.720 it was not seen as so distinct that the gods would not have uh her in their presence so you

03:12:27.920 see that in other kind of uh religious dichotomies but for our ancestors her showing up there yes is

03:12:36.800 crazy but not to the point where you know she's the uh fouling um the the state of heaven if you will

03:12:48.320 that is the extent of our questions so far tonight okay yeah and i wanted to kick back

03:12:59.240 to i didn't get a chance to answer about there's one thing i wanted to there was a question about

03:13:05.060 the oust veneer so if you read any ausa true books from uh 1980s on you will see every chapter

03:13:15.240 there's a classification generally it'll say the gods the goddesses and that's it

03:13:23.720 but i think that's under detailed sometimes you'll see something like the gods or the i

03:13:29.400 the house the our senior and then you'll see the troll brides or which again not i'm not good with

03:13:38.120 that or the jotun brides and i think those people are trying to emphasize that there's like different

03:13:47.480 race um thing going on here but but what i always viewed it as and why i wanted to create a list

03:13:58.040 for our folk to be able to use as a red line it's a baseline to to know the list is to know

03:14:07.960 a great amount of war um and also the list you know you get the list and you go to um uh

03:14:17.000 you can go to wikipedia and look them up and get a brief synopsis of their understanding most

03:14:23.320 ausatric folk don't know that grither gave thor the iron rod to help him defend himself

03:14:31.880 um against the jotens and um that she is kind of the ant like there's yard who is of the good earth

03:14:40.600 and then there's grither who is kind of of the cracked earth the earthquake the geyser the the

03:14:47.080 the venomous pools of water um so almost like the sister of yard helps yard's son and gives

03:14:58.040 him this iron rod to fight off the yotnar long before he gets me older and um so i realized that

03:15:07.880 there was a need so i i started to pen out an understanding based off of the gil beginning

03:15:16.120 that we have 12 owls and we have 14 also in here that he specifically listed and then we moved to

03:15:25.080 the oust veneer but i didn't want to call them troll brides or jotain brides they are clearly

03:15:31.240 beloved gerth is beloved of frey so i believe that they are of that dominion so they they bring

03:15:42.600 themselves into the dominion of the gods and they become part of the gods and that's why i did that

03:15:49.880 was to um portray a lot of that understanding and give people a road map because they don't know um

03:15:59.960 you know yes the number of our gods can be variable based on every aussie that you talk to

03:16:06.040 but i would say red line 42 a lot of people might not ever have been able to uh answer that but um

03:16:17.160 again that was the point of it was to give people

03:16:20.680 a you are here on the map and work their way out about that

03:16:27.400 because it's just not been it's been a millstrom of confusion or or generally people that write

03:16:32.600 the books are like you know there are many gods but these are the gods that you should focus on

03:16:37.240 or sometimes it's like don't focus on any of the gods just focus on lord othen

03:16:41.720 and it i don't i don't think that was the right pathway so creating the list of

03:16:49.880 house our senior aust veneer and then the heavenly wardens was me trying to formulate

03:16:57.240 hierarchy through observation looking at the lore not trying to cram the gods into um

03:17:06.360 you know pigeonholes if you will um but observing and simply seeing how these things are

03:17:14.120 and then classifying accordingly because hierarchy is important it is a part of our gods our gods are

03:17:21.720 the lords of order um ultimately and so a lot of folks have often asked you know what is the

03:17:30.360 hierarchy of our divinity what is the understanding of how things are structured and no one could

03:17:37.080 ever give them an answer it was always just a broad and ethereal answer and more or less just

03:17:46.280 focus on you know lord ovin and lord thor and i did it also to reinvigorate the women of our folk

03:17:56.040 to build a better relationship with the maidens of fensaller and to start they already have a

03:18:02.840 good relationship with uh lady air the goddess of healing um we have you know prayer groups and all

03:18:11.960 those but for our women folk to call upon snotra in relation to um like frith within a high stress 0.96

03:18:27.880 social event in which everyone minds their p's and q's um that's where her dominion is at 0.99

03:18:35.960 and so i think or or you know to teach and to guide uh folks to become better at those things 1.00

03:18:43.840 so i really wanted the ladies of our folk to start building a better connection with the

03:18:52.420 maidens of fence all right i feel really nerdy that when you when you listed and you said

03:18:59.740 there's 42 on your list my first thought was uh the engine to life universe and everything

03:19:08.140 oh um what is that called it's a it's a book right galaxy by douglas yeah i mean i know but

03:19:18.220 that's the one thing that we have definitely determined over the last like couple of episodes

03:19:23.100 of vns is the oust veneer are this it is the the the the overlap um whether we're talking about

03:19:33.180 someone who honors nahelania we don't know if nahelania was seen as an oust by our ancestors

03:19:41.100 or an elevated mortal and to do no offense to her the oust veneer the list is there that's

03:19:50.060 that's that's huge um so we are not trying to put the gods in boxes and we are also always trying

03:19:59.900 to consider with utmost respect the way we go forward and we chose the gil beginning um because

03:20:07.820 it was so clear and it was from a time uh when our faith was i wouldn't say being practiced

03:20:16.860 because by that time snowy wasn't practicing it but it was so close the jump from one peninsula

03:20:24.140 to the other and it i do believe that the holy gods were involved in that being a seed that

03:20:31.820 would eventually germinate uh numerous times actually over generations many iterations but

03:20:39.180 for us it finally blossomed so all righty not sure this is a question but it's a good enough

03:20:48.300 statement and it and it's something you can comment on for sure about the veneer and the

03:20:54.620 waning i've heard that a late danish manuscript equated nyother with saturn based on them being

03:21:03.180 gods of harvest your there doesn't seem nearly as dark a character though as far as cosmological

03:21:10.700 roles go emeater seems to fill saturn slash cronus's role more yeah i i agree um and i think

03:21:20.620 they're stretching at it to a too much to a detriment that's another thing when we get into

03:21:28.620 people trying to pigeonhole the gods in other aryan branches um and they disregard the truth

03:21:40.300 the truth is each of these aryan branches are very different branches of culture and

03:21:47.820 And the gods are the gods and the hierarchy of the gods that mankind places, the folk place on them is not always the same amongst every culture.

03:22:04.580 And that's why I brought up the tripartite and I started formulating the theory of the tripartite is we always see a deus father and we see a deus mother.

03:22:15.240 and then they pass away in some way shape or form they leave or they die um and then there 0.91

03:22:21.960 is a tripartite established there are three major gods and uh you know amongst the hindus

03:22:30.080 it was indra and um i believe vishnu i always get the or varuna i always get the v ones mixed up

03:22:39.460 and Agni from the Bhagavad Gita you know um the Greeks numbered there's Zeus has one scepter

03:22:47.780 and Poseidon has a trident and everyone forgets that Hades has a bidet one two and three

03:22:56.500 and we see it with the Gauls with Teratatis, Tyrannus, and Essus the tripartite is there

03:23:06.060 And even in adjacent, Aryan adjacent cultures like the Etruscans, they have a tripartite.

03:23:14.460 I think they were influenced greatly by the Aryans that moved down the Italian peninsula, but they also were not Aryan as well. 0.76

03:23:25.360 They were half, the mystery of where they come from. 0.89

03:23:28.760 And so their tripartite is the only one that has two goddesses and a god.

03:23:34.520 And when you look at these tripartites, the one thing that I was trying to figure out was, if you look at them, there's kind of these roles played. There's dynamicism, there's catalystism, and there's stasis.

03:23:52.020 And you look at each of the Aryan cultures, and they place the, or I would say they set the seat for the gods to sit in accordance with the way that they need them.

03:24:04.740 The gods are not limited at all, I think, in any way, shape, or form with one form or stasis or set place.

03:24:17.280 But they fill these roles.

03:24:19.100 So I came to call them thrones.

03:24:21.080 You see the dynamic throne, you see the static throne, and you see the catalystic throne.

03:24:27.980 And the best example I can give people is from the Norse to the Slavic.

03:24:32.980 In the Slavic, there is Svaurog.

03:24:36.180 And Svaurog is the judge and the creator. 0.77

03:24:40.980 He has fire, and he sits in his throne, and he looks down, and he judges men.

03:24:47.000 And then there is Perun the striker, catalyst, pretty straightforward all the way across.

03:24:53.720 And then there is Velez, the dynamic one. He comes from the underworld, he comes up, he can go into the heavenly realms, he uses magic, he obfuscates his face with a mask, he can change into animals, he's very wizardly, if you will.

03:25:10.760 So we have these three thrones that the Slavic people organically, like, not construct, but through the relationship form. 0.66

03:25:24.780 Whereas for us, the Germanics, it's very clear. We have the dynamic lord, Lord Odin, who is a tripartite unto himself.

03:25:35.700 He is three. He's mentioned as being three in the beginning. He is Olden, Vili, and Vae. And we don't really get a lot of what happens to Vili and Vae after that, other than he is this dynamic being.

03:25:52.220 And the number three is a symbol of dynamicism, like in the Valknot or the Triskelion.

03:26:00.400 And then we have the Catalyst Lord, of course, Thor.

03:26:04.380 And then we have the Stasis Lord, Tyr.

03:26:07.700 I mean, he is mentioned as being the North Star, the unending and unwavering point.

03:26:15.220 and once the hand is removed the sword hand the adjudication of divine power becomes only holding

03:26:24.900 position that's i think a very interesting point so you know we see that in the days of our week

03:26:32.960 tuesday wednesday thursday um and you go through every aryan branch there is a tripartite there is

03:26:40.520 always heavenly father and a mother and then the tripartite stabilizes everything after their their

03:26:50.860 loss so all righty i apologize if you hear anything in the background there is uh there's

03:27:00.060 wind going that's gonna that's shaking the uh shaking the rv but uh we just got in homo is in

03:27:07.020 the chat donated $10 to the Njortov fund. So thank you so much, sir. I appreciate that. 0.81

03:27:12.760 Thank you, Hamilis.

03:27:18.280 I'm going to skip over a comment. Rage Redmay, he's asked a lot of good stuff tonight. I'm not

03:27:23.780 sure about that one, but he did follow that up with, is fermented shark an aprodisiac?

03:27:30.260 No, it is not.

03:27:33.060 More likely, because you drink Brinevin, this pumpernickel whiskey.

03:27:39.500 It's whiskey that tastes like pumpernickel bread.

03:27:42.320 More likely, you eat that shark, you drink enough of that stuff, and you start getting loosey-goosey.

03:27:47.900 That's about it.

03:27:49.380 Did I ever tell you the origin of the name pumpernickel?

03:27:54.120 I think so.

03:27:55.240 Didn't you say it was related to, like, passing gas?

03:27:57.340 well pooper yes and then nickel is goblin oh far goblins far goblins you know

03:28:07.540 awesome um how would you describe alsatru to someone who has never heard of it before

03:28:15.820 I would say the native Germanic faith of Europe that is pre-Christian and goes all the way back to a time when all groups were one.

03:28:39.920 So, you know, polytheistic native faith of Europe of the Germanic peoples that reflects all the way back to before time and history and before even, you know, Mesopotamia and all of those things.

03:29:01.500 Our faith has been formulated, and it is a faith built on heroism, built on nobility, built on the desire to have bright fame and to live a good life and a noble life that inspires future generations and makes our ancestors proud.

03:29:30.000 And I mean, at that point, I would kind of stop.

03:29:32.620 I would say, you know, we could go into there is layers in which we place, you know, levels of human or godly soul mastery over animal or animism.

03:29:48.600 And we have ancestor worship and we are polytheistic and so on and so forth.

03:29:53.200 But I would just go with that is that we are a faith that extends before time recorded with our people that eventually culminated in the Germanic culture and I think was the least molested.

03:30:12.080 It's the most unobscured of all of the branches through migration that has culminated in the Germanic people and eventually, and lastly, the Nordic people before Christianity worked its way in through Europe.

03:30:33.040 i think that's uh a very well put swan answer in about maybe 90 seconds

03:30:43.620 oh i see rage red's gonna go i know it's getting late i think do you think we should call it from

03:30:50.420 here i don't want to we've got one more question if nobody else asks anything we can answer uh

03:30:55.720 What are your thoughts on Nietzsche?

03:30:59.280 Ooh, that's a good question.

03:31:03.080 I think he's misunderstood.

03:31:06.340 I think that his critiques against the world around him

03:31:10.300 were not necessarily the definition of the way he saw the divine

03:31:14.540 or even the way he saw his people,

03:31:16.820 depending on what time you're looking at him at.

03:31:22.180 I think that he was deeply saddened and tormented by the way he saw modern society turning away from precepts that the folks should be considering about things in their lives.

03:31:43.020 You know, Heidegger, Nietzsche, and Jung, and a lot of the philosophers that were exploring identity of what it means to be or to exist, and the German philosophers in particular are a special branch of that.

03:32:10.000 but i think that a lot of people try to use his stuff um to kind of give themselves leeway in

03:32:18.840 like almost like nothing matters they go into like absurdism and i don't think nietzsche was

03:32:25.440 an absurdist i think he was quite the opposite and it was a lot of his work was proclamation to

03:32:32.040 like almost as if to grab society's neck and rub it in the mess on the carpet that it's left

03:32:42.040 and to me that requires moral it requires moral um you know fabric so to me i think he's greatly

03:32:53.200 misunderstood i think a lot of people take him as um a license to either cut loose or let go or

03:33:01.280 just trounce over other people and i really don't think that's what his main message was

03:33:12.400 all righty sir well i think this is about as last of an opportunity as we have to tell everybody

03:33:18.720 where are we going to be at this weekend okay so remember guys we're going to uh down in linden

03:33:26.080 north carolina um we're at thor's hoff you can google it it's on google maps uh you just type

03:33:34.640 in thor's off you don't have to put the thorn you can just put th it'll get you there um come on

03:33:40.240 down we have friday saturday and sunday um if you're only able to make it on saturday please

03:33:46.880 do you don't have to register or anything you show up there everybody will be there

03:33:51.200 they'll be able to take care of you and where where we're going there's going to be an awesome

03:33:55.440 auction there's gonna be lots of fun kids eggs egg hunts um storytelling classes

03:34:04.480 and just having the chance to meet everyone in person yeah we've got blots and rituals every

03:34:12.640 single day on friday i will be doing the welcoming of the gods and then we will have the else harrier

03:34:19.760 gothi in the evening doing uh thoroughbroad and then on saturday of course i believe it's gonna

03:34:26.320 be witten erickson's gonna be doing all star abroad we'll have some bull the auction as you

03:34:31.840 mentioned yeah talks on ostara and all kinds of other fun stuff i wanted to answer this the white

03:34:39.760 horse i also wrote in a question about adumla uh being considered a goddess since she gave sustenance

03:34:48.080 to bore first off that re-emphasizes the tripartite in the beginning there was muspelheim

03:34:58.160 and niflheim and when they extracted there were three things in gunungagap there was the tree

03:35:07.760 there was Ymir, and there was Adumla. Now, Adumla also gave Ymir substance, or well, he drank from

03:35:19.280 the melt leaking from her. So perhaps it's not she voluntarily did it. But she is the life force

03:35:29.740 essence her name means without horns so she is incapable of goring or you know stabbing with 0.61

03:35:39.180 her horns which is again in an agrarian society very symbolic to she is completely peaceful and 1.00

03:35:47.240 she then 0.99

03:35:49.420 creates 0.96

03:35:50.580 Buri 0.95

03:35:53.440 she creates Buri 0.96

03:35:55.720 in the ice 1.00

03:35:56.580 and then licks him

03:35:59.520 and shapes him and he

03:36:01.440 is the father of Bor 0.92

03:36:02.980 Bor comes

03:36:04.540 with Bestla

03:36:06.600 so there's a little bit of

03:36:08.700 correction on that part

03:36:11.500 but

03:36:12.560 the definition of a goddess

03:36:15.320 is where it gets a little hairy in that sense a goddess in our in our language would be like

03:36:21.720 equivalent to say ah senior because we are talking about the house is she a divine being

03:36:29.480 yes is she a being of life and creation absolutely and when she shaped buri um and gave him the

03:36:40.920 notion to go and leave the gap and go live in Nivelheim with some of the most ancient jotuns

03:36:47.960 there. She did that with a sense of care to get him away from Ymir. But it wasn't for long. He 0.95

03:36:59.320 lives amongst them and he has a son. And his son's name is Bor, the one who lifts up. And Bor

03:37:08.580 returns to the gap. He sees that tree and his wife, Bessla, is pregnant. And in our faith,

03:37:16.180 Bor and Bessla are Diospater and Diosmater. They're the origin heavenly father and mother.

03:37:27.280 And they return to the tree. But what's there at the tree is the slumbering

03:37:33.460 emir with any possibility of waking up at that point so over time it becomes apparent they're 0.86

03:37:44.160 going to have to slay emir and it is the three young children born of bestla the oldenvillian

03:37:53.660 babe these three you know again as gods would be if you were talking about age this is in the

03:38:01.060 beginning they're young and brash and they go down and they slay emir after all of this talk

03:38:10.080 about the dangers of him and the deluge happens and um it threatens to swallow everything we don't

03:38:22.060 know what happens to the umla but we presume in the deluge she is lost and perhaps she her body

03:38:30.800 to the west lays the landscape of what is von vonaheim but her soul never truly leaves and is

03:38:40.360 i believe in exemplification as ratatosk so her energetic heart her giving heart her moving heart

03:38:52.240 becomes ratatosk bor lifts heaven up he lifts his wife up bestla her name means to beset

03:39:02.880 so of heaven bor and bestla make him in bjork the mountains of heaven where their children can reside

03:39:13.200 and preside over the middle world so bor lifts up bestla besets and their souls rise up to the

03:39:22.080 the top of Yggdrasil as an eagle and a hawk. And in the slaying of Ymir from his blood, the deluge 0.91

03:39:31.420 of water, but a dark and secret thing crept out of that wound and it goes all the way down

03:39:39.960 to Niflheim and takes the shape of Nidogar. And that's why Nidogar is trying to bite the root

03:39:48.520 that holds Yggdrasil to stop the cycle of souls and to untether the very cosmos circulatory system.

03:39:59.700 It is tethered by the first root in Nibelheim. And so he is desperately trying to rip it. Is he

03:40:07.000 Ymir? No. The transference between the soul and the identity, I don't know if it's the same as

03:40:16.260 humanity but i certainly believe that there is one that beget from the event another

03:40:26.020 i hope that answers that that was a long answer though

03:40:30.740 no it's one of my favorite stories um and your take on it uh i'd love your take on it especially

03:40:37.860 anytime ronald toss is gonna get mentioned because i don't know i have a

03:40:40.820 i i have an affinity yeah and that that drive um now bear in mind folks the if you're gonna go look

03:40:51.240 in the lore you're not gonna see this this is actually from my personal religious observation

03:40:56.980 and belief and insight to um that nothing just simply is created out of nothing and nothing

03:41:06.460 simply dies and disappears but that that tripartite is formulated in the gap and all things come from

03:41:15.820 that and so the only thing that survives from the original tripartite is yggdrasil which is why lord

03:41:24.140 odin synthesizes himself to it because yggdrasil and and and the ones that have grown before it

03:41:34.620 in same ilk he wants to know how deep their roots go so he does that but

03:41:46.460 as a spirit is a giving spirit and when it's released from creation it then becomes

03:41:53.340 communication when emir is released from his slumber he becomes an active destructing um

03:42:01.980 violent uh serpent that's trying to destroy and when boor and bestla are released from their

03:42:10.140 duty they go up and preside as watchful guardians over the heavenly realm which when their children

03:42:18.220 reside ryan does not want us to go to bed he continues on uh nidhogger could be from the

03:42:28.060 multi-headed son of emitter's lower parts giants turn to dragons like fafnir writes

03:42:35.660 i heard besla means bark of a tree from a great tree is that not so

03:42:42.700 so fafnir as a mortal is generally the way i've always seen him written as he is the son um i

03:42:53.980 I forgot his name, but his brothers are Rayin, who is a human as well, that learns from dwarven smiths.

03:43:02.540 Vavnir is a magician like his father, and so is Otar.

03:43:06.980 Otar, of course, turns into an otter and gets slain by Loki.

03:43:12.160 But as far as them being Jotans, the other thing is I am a believer that the lore in which it states, 0.98

03:43:18.480 When the deluge happens, the only thing that saves the gods is the rising up, that separation of heaven from the middle world, and everything else gets, you know, gone. 0.63

03:43:34.440 And it says, Bergelmer, the son of Algelmer, Algelmer is just another name for Emir, he escapes with his wife and the kin of Jotun's spring from him.

03:43:47.780 So there's no mention of, in essence, the chaotic, large, gigantic beasts that come out of Ymir. When the three brothers come down and slay him, they are wiped away. A cataclysmic event.

03:44:05.060 and that is when bergelmer leaves jotunheim is you know the relegation of that place

03:44:14.420 and all of the kin of jotunheim come from him um whereas you know when you see uh

03:44:25.140 uh need all good I believe is more of not necessary the lower part but the soul of and as he is slain

03:44:36.180 it moves to an to the other realm just like with Adumla when she is lost her heart is the

03:44:46.680 communication between the top and the bottom um I mean I I understand what you're saying too and

03:44:51.780 um a lot of people do believe that bestla means bark um and it could be the translation is actually

03:44:59.880 um arguable there's a lot of people that have been arguing about it um I've just taken the

03:45:07.680 the translation as the one who besets to beset the table to lay things about and bore is to lift or

03:45:17.640 bear up the weight so in my observations of both lore and belief i see these moving parts that

03:45:29.840 aren't really mentioned in the lore and i think they're not mentioned in the lore because of

03:45:34.000 um unique factors like meter and um formulation same reason why uh lord thor is not mentioned

03:45:44.160 during the first wars of between the house and the van um there's just not any mention of him

03:45:53.020 and then at the same time later on there is only light mentions but there is mentions about him

03:45:58.700 having an iron rod readable and so yeah i know i've heard people say bark um and i think

03:46:09.380 connections to like beach trees but i have always taken the translation as to beset as far more

03:46:18.660 uh kind of again in line with if boar means to lift up or to bear then to beset kind of fills

03:46:27.220 the same you know pairing motif so the killed giant son could have died and went to the lower

03:46:37.140 realm like balder right well yeah so uh absolutely but i think also emir could have done the same

03:46:46.260 um that the formulation of these these these beasts and we could speculate you know as these

03:46:54.500 uh great children of emir are but they're they it's described they are washed away they die

03:47:01.460 And Bergelmer teaches his malice towards the gods for slaying their progenitor.

03:47:11.060 And that kind of is laid very clearly out.

03:47:16.660 So, I mean, I don't necessarily see why it would be an unnamed son versus Ymir himself transferring.

03:47:27.900 And especially the tripartite.

03:47:30.660 there's there's a difference between the multitude of beasts the multi-headed um creatures that pop

03:47:38.100 out of emir in that time when emir is the jotnar and the jotnar are in dominion they're running

03:47:45.460 everything um and then the three come down and there is a deluge this is even before the vanir

03:47:53.780 and all of them are slain so out of that tripartite only two of them are are ended

03:48:02.800 and one of them remains and that's Yggdrasil remains and Adumla and Ymir are no longer

03:48:11.320 you know you could say they're no longer in the story but at the same time I think it's

03:48:18.840 more likely the

03:48:20.720 the essence or the

03:48:23.280 major being that is

03:48:25.280 mentioned in one part of the story

03:48:26.940 it would be better to

03:48:28.640 perhaps

03:48:30.400 see them as moving as

03:48:33.320 opposed to perhaps just an

03:48:35.300 element of them

03:48:36.320 or a piece of them

03:48:39.040 alrighty sir well

03:48:45.100 you know how it goes to wrap this thing up

03:48:47.300 all right well i thank everybody for uh tuning in tonight i know it was kind of strange at the

03:48:54.660 end here we're going to get back into the volsunga saga and we will um expound on it and it will be

03:49:03.180 a large series but i'm really glad to be able to answer some questions outside of lore and um

03:49:10.780 I really look forward to seeing you guys, um, in two weeks from now, or are we doing this

03:49:17.400 straight shot? Is it one after another? Nope. We're going to do every other week. Like we have

03:49:24.160 been, um, next week is more adulting with Alan. Gotcha. So bear that in mind, folks, this is

03:49:31.040 lore every other week. We're not going to be doing it, you know, one week after another. Um,

03:49:36.560 And that'll be nice just to get palate cleansers and then jumping back in.

03:49:42.140 And, you know, I can't wait to see you guys then.

03:49:47.600 So until then, hail the gods, hail the ancestors, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember, victory never sleeps.

03:50:06.560 Thank you.

03:50:36.560 We'll be right back.

03:51:06.560 Thank you.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - March 20, 2025

3⧸19⧸25 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 141 - Völsunga Saga, Part I

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