00:37:06.500Harold Hardrada. His last name, even though it's often said is Hardrada, is Hardrada. Stern or
00:37:17.160hard counsel. The idea that he was a stern counselor who wouldn't mince words. He would
00:37:22.340tell you exactly what you needed. There's all these names kind of referencing to counsel,
00:37:27.920and that shows how much that was important. Something else I'd like to add, just while
00:37:35.120we're on the subjects of invoking gods for your wizardry um there is a impious and disrespectful
00:37:48.400tradition in a lot of magic to where they presume that they can summon gods and then
00:37:58.160order gods to do stuff i think that it is always first not only is it impri impious and improper
00:38:07.120but secondly i think that it is shockingly foolhardy for you to assume that your
00:38:15.760magical acumen is such that you're you can out spiritually arm wrestle a god into doing what you
00:38:25.040want them to do i think that when you approach the gods in an impious way and you start making
00:38:31.920demands upon divinity i think that's a very quick way to have very bad consequences very quickly
00:38:39.120i think at best our deities perhaps laugh at how silly that is and i think at
00:38:45.680worse it can get orders of magnitudes worse from that um yeah that's if that is part of
00:38:55.360the magical tradition then that is wrong-headed and uh and extremely presumptuous
00:39:02.880yeah that's why that last word really stuck i was like oh wait a minute again that's no reflection
00:39:08.800on the guy asking the question it just it right the last the last line through a lot of what ifs
00:39:14.400well if you meant this if you meant that if you meant whatever and i think it was a good question
00:39:18.160it got us talking about something interesting and going off on a on a kind of an interesting track
00:39:23.600there yeah next question swan and matt would you relate feeling a connection to the symbols of the
00:39:32.240jester juggling a flaming eight ball and dice to loki worship hmm well first first thing i
00:39:43.120I would say is feeling a connection to symbology in modern sense. I think that
00:39:52.680it doesn't equate to worship. There might be inclinations, but it's worth noting that our
00:39:59.240ancestors have long placed value in gains of chance, dice. Tacitus marked on this greatly.
00:40:07.240He said that the, the Teutonic people were very, very, uh, given to, you know, testing their luck
00:40:14.000on certain things, betting, whether it was horse fighting or, you know, uh, rolling dice or lots
00:40:20.960of chance. So the idea of taking your personal hominia and putting it to the test, um, has long
00:40:31.540been i think a a standing point in our people and in our faith so um you know there's certainly that
00:40:39.460that i mean the billiard ball the eight ball that's more of a modern i think kind of symbol
00:40:46.180uh you know the the flames there have been people that have tried to equate i think um
00:40:53.540you know, Loki to Lowy, who he fights against in Utgard-Loki's, you know, palace, and Lowy is
00:41:06.240wildfire. And so there's always been kind of this connotation towards that. But no, I don't think
00:41:11.280that equates. When you see modern symbology, there could be inclinations driving, you know, your,
00:41:19.840i guess would be like subconscious context of the symbols but i don't think it equates to that kind
00:41:27.000of worship at all i wouldn't actually consider going down that road at all um the the nature
00:41:34.020of loki is very i i would think it's best to say and and antithetical towards um you know good
00:41:44.100chance of game and um you know the things that that keep the folk together and entertainment
00:41:51.380like billiards or bowling or you know all of these games that originate from very
00:41:57.940you know far back into the past um were all originated for the folk to get together and
00:42:03.220have fun and that's the way it should be i don't think it kind of equates to that
00:42:06.740um yeah i've got to say i'm not really familiar with that symbology um i don't know where those
00:42:15.860symbols are displayed and without knowing who is displaying stuff it's very hard
00:42:23.540it's very hard to ascribe specific meanings if you don't if you're not familiar with where it's
00:42:30.660displayed i see somebody over in the chat room talking about some juggalos is that some kind
00:42:35.780of a juggalo symbol like the hatchet dude i don't know again i'm not familiar with the symbol um
00:42:44.820but one of the one of the things that i will say
00:42:52.820oh your tattoos somebody said tattoo sorry there's no uh
00:42:57.780there's loki worship wasn't a thing historically um misguided people now
00:43:14.520say that they worship loki and I wonder what all that really means
00:43:19.620what i find in most of those cases and i'm i will stipulate we have enough people in the world doing
00:43:28.640odd things that i'm sure some people genuinely feel that they are worshiping loki um what we
00:43:37.280most often see though is very similar to the abrahamic idea of devil worship
00:43:46.680Very few people worship the Christian devil. Most of the people that are intellectually minded involved in that movement aren't they worship and they define themselves by their contrarianism towards prevailing Christianity and they symbolize that by worshiping that faith's, you know, antithesis.
00:44:16.680Very few of them have a relationship with the Jewish Satan.
00:44:27.060Most of that is edgelords that want to be edgy and different and define themselves by how not aligned with Christianity they are.
00:44:35.820And I think that we get that also in the realms of Ausatru by people who want to champion forces of chaos or Loki or Fenrir or Jormungand or Surt or things like that.
00:44:48.960I think very often those people are not engaged in active worship of those forces as much as they're engaged in active trolling and edgelord behavior of people that want to live their life right.
00:45:05.820I don't know if that really goes to the question, but it does approach some of the Loki things that come around the periphery of our circle every now and again.
00:45:23.580Although Forseti is one of the 12 leading gods, he is not significantly in any surviving myths.
00:45:30.440Could he be compared to the Teutonic god Fosite?
00:45:33.560uh yes he's one of the same and we have been talking about that significantly at the beginning
00:45:40.180of the program but yeah it's our main mention of that they're the same they're one in the same
00:45:46.440this brings up a good point too though there has been some like i don't know like schools
00:45:53.020of thought where like people will say it is is voton different than vote in and vote in different
00:45:59.260than than odin or because uh you know votin is of the anglo-saxons and votan is of the germans
00:46:05.500and odin is of of the nords that these are different gods
00:46:10.060yeah that's that's uh that's crazy but it's because of the linguistical differences but yes
00:46:19.520because the the etymology of fositi and forseti have very it's it's the same like the one who
00:46:26.560sets things before or sets things in precedent or sets things out like law and then the one who also
00:46:33.320sits above or sits before the presiding council as a presider or a president um you know yes they're
00:46:42.540they're they are of the same and it's not i wouldn't say because there are no foolish questions
00:46:48.960it's just that i think that a lot of times when you go on the internet and you do research you
00:46:53.600find this mentality amongst people who are not looking at this from a from faith they're looking
00:47:01.680at this from scholastics they're trying to pick this apart and i don't fault that when you get
00:47:07.920it from wikipedia when you get it from a scholastic source that's okay that's what they're doing i
00:47:15.520fault it when you're getting from it from folks that claim to be practitioners of that faith
00:47:22.000and and i've been long-winded on why why i feel that way but if you're a scholar doing raw
00:47:29.040scholastics that ends up happening a lot like if you look these things up on wikipedia which we
00:47:34.480which we all do it's a very quick concise go-to for a lot of this information and honestly the
00:47:39.760further you go back it's very often a very good source when you deal with modern issues that are
00:47:46.720contentious in the overly politicized world that we live in that's not always the case but the
00:47:53.440further you go back on archaeology and things very often it's a little bit better um but yes
00:48:00.100short answer is is we believe those are the same thing so I I um used to be there was a guy and
00:48:08.100I'm trying to remember what his name was but I believe he was out of Arizona and he uh or New
00:48:14.140Mexico maybe. And he was almost, he was suggesting the idea that the gods are different and there's
00:48:24.660multiple versions of them depending on the place they're worshipped in and all kinds of things
00:48:30.180that way. And I've seen similar concepts in a book I read that I can't recall the name of the
00:48:38.060authored a very good book called The Ancient City, as if different Greek city-states had
00:48:43.720a different Zeus for each of the cities, as if they were different personalities, but
00:48:50.260I don't think that it works like that.
00:48:53.540I think that there are different reflections of deities shown to different peoples, and
00:48:58.760And I think that the relationship that the Norse have to Forseti might differ from the
00:49:08.500relationship that the continentals have to Forseti.
00:49:12.560And I think that especially when we get further afield to Celtic or Slavic or other reflections
00:49:20.520of Aryan divinity, we know the gods under different names and sometimes with overlapping
00:49:26.680lore and overlapping characteristics. And I think some of that comes to our relationships with
00:49:33.180people are different. So I know my mom from when I was a small child being raised by her. I know
00:49:42.860her as my mother and I know her in a very specific way. My grandparents knew my mother in a very
00:49:48.280different way. They knew her as a daughter and they knew her as a child growing up and as someone
00:49:52.460they were looking out for and somebody that was under their protection you know my father knew
00:49:58.380my mother in a very different way her friends knew her in a different way her professional colleagues
00:50:04.780knew her in a different way she was a teacher for 30 years the students that she educated
00:50:10.460knew my mother in a very different way those are all reflections of the same woman but each of us
00:50:16.700knew her in a different way and would tell different stories to express how we knew her
00:50:22.540and i think that's the case with how our people who are spread out over the course of time and
00:50:29.900the course of geography have different uh different understandings of our gods because
00:50:35.740they know them based on a different uh a different relationship than than others do i hope that made
00:50:42.140some sense um we've got we got a five dollar donation from michael hail uh matt and swan
00:50:51.020hail the gods hail our volk 14 words thank you very much michael we appreciate it it's fine you
00:50:57.420were saying i was gonna say um some of the points that you hit on the kind of consecutively as we've
00:51:04.700been going through this when we talked about the the uh the invocation question we we kind of
00:51:10.380brushed on the the loki question and and and as you've been kind of bringing this up i
00:51:16.780it was is hitting me because it's strange to see that there's like a linking between all of these
00:51:21.900but they're uh yeah the relationship that i think that a lot of folks have when you have those
00:51:29.100edge lords who are worshiping loki because they need it's again they're their uh antithesis
00:51:36.940mindset um or the the uh religious groups or i would say like you know these these kind of
00:51:45.580schools of thought in certain sects where they can they feel like they can call forth a god
00:51:51.900to do its bidding or their bidding this is all really about i think a very strange relationship
00:51:58.060that our folk need to bridge the gap with about divinity and i think that's one of the things that
00:52:03.900um people who engage with us as the ostrich folk assembly when they say for instance that they've
00:52:10.860been practicing aussitru or and maybe come from other like more modern neo-pagan groups they they're
00:52:20.300they're not well set to understand a relationship with the divine that we have clarified as our
00:52:27.660our way of doing things this is our way i think that's one big point that i'm just now seeing
00:52:32.700kind of connecting with all of these kind of questions is you know when people leave christianity
00:52:40.140when they return back to the religion of their people they still have either an old way of
00:52:45.820looking at divinity um or they have kind of a misaligned view of looking at divinity and how
00:52:54.540you just were talking about our relationships with the gods are very real very tangible and
00:52:59.580can be different based on the relationship um and i think a lot of people don't tackle those ideas
00:53:06.060very clearly um and i just wanted to bring that up i think that's a great point as i i think
00:53:13.580you've been hitting on them but for the folks listening to link all of those together is the deep
00:53:20.780underlining question of that is is what who are the gods what are they and how do we interact
00:53:27.340with them and if you're invoking if you're siding with you know or pretending to side
00:53:35.820just because it's you know edgy and cool with with uh forces of you know chaos or disruption or
00:53:43.100or uh outlandishness you know that that's uh that the deep-seated root of that problem is
00:53:49.580the nature of engaging with the divine well you know on that there's
00:53:53.580so we get um it's very easy to get carried away and it's you know i'm very easily offended by
00:54:05.340impiety but i think that there is a difference between knowing better and being impious
00:54:13.500and by folks just not knowing better and i think that one of the challenges with our faith is we
00:54:21.140are in a stage in history where our people are you know the default is impiety um the tagline
00:54:31.940that you want to you know advertise something as if it's a good thing is it's irreverent
00:54:36.980like irreverent is a positive moniker to describe whatever your product is now
00:54:43.300um and i think that that doesn't require any more for me to say on that that that being a thing is
00:54:49.860twisted things around in such a way. I also think that our, you know, our recent ancestors came into
00:54:57.540the world into families in a system in a society where Jesus is very real to them. And so their
00:55:05.780take on the faith that they were raised with or born into, their default setting was piety,
00:55:13.740because there was no point in their life that their God wasn't real to them.
00:55:18.940We're at a point now where so many of us have had to rediscover our gods
00:55:23.960and rebuild a relationship with gods that we don't start out with a default faith in.
00:55:30.160Most of us, you know, and I think that the story is different for different people.
00:55:34.000So I don't, I hesitate to say most of us or all of us.
00:55:36.840But, you know, when I came to this, I didn't know our gods were real.
00:55:42.260Well, I knew that something was and I figured I would give this a shot and see. And over time, our gods became very real to me. And I couldn't imagine it being any other way now other than to remember how it was when when I didn't know that.
00:56:00.120I talk here a lot about how we'll get very well-meaning people that will join the AFA and, you know, they will say they believe in the gods very strongly.
00:56:09.340But the coolest thing, and I've said this time and time again, this is a go-thee, when you can watch that moment that all of a sudden the gods became real to them.
00:56:19.520And, you know, one of the ways to describe it, if you've ever been hunting, even if you're a seasoned hunter,
00:56:25.620and maybe if you're not not if you're like a super awesome hunter but if you're a recreational
00:56:30.500hunter you've never been hunting and you go hunting every dark spot is the animal you're
00:56:35.460hunting every little thing off in the distance oh is that it is that it i think it's a moose i think
00:56:39.860it's a moose everything seems like it might be until you see the animal that you're hunting and
00:56:46.020then you how could you have been so foolish that all these other you know this log over here was
00:56:50.100the moose no this moose is right you know until you see it and you experience it for yourself
00:56:56.820expecting people to have a deep faith in something is um it's it's very difficult and it's asking a
00:57:04.900lot so i don't always think that the scholastic approach which i know i'm very critical of
00:57:11.060or some of these other things are are intentional flights i think it's a symptom of our people
00:57:18.180not having come to that sincere belief yet in a visceral way. And, you know, it's one of the
00:57:25.400things that Svon and myself worked very hard to do is help connect our folk with our gods and our
00:57:33.120gods with our folk. And, you know, sometimes our role in that is bigger than others. Ultimately,
00:57:42.880you know, it's got to be people that are sincere and it's got to the gods have to want to make
00:57:46.820that connection. And hopefully if we do a very good job, and if we have earned favor and are
00:57:54.420worthy in the eyes of our folk and our gods, then hopefully we can help people make that connection.
00:58:01.860And I really hope people are catching on to the depth of what you're saying, just in that,
00:58:08.960like with Christianity, a lot of people, you know, they say they believe. And again,
00:58:14.500that's held over with a very heavy caveat if you don't bad things um or you know so much of this
00:58:21.200kind of guilt and and the yoking of it whereas we're coming from the legitimate point that you've
00:58:29.880been you've been brought here you know brought to the gods brought to the folk assembly we want you
00:58:37.840to know that they're real but again so that that's i think that's something that's really deep
00:58:45.040that you just said that i think people need to really get that extra layer of understanding is
00:58:51.280is that it's it's a work in progress it's something that you you uh continue to do for
00:58:58.720that's why the gother are there to try to help and um that the ultimate goal is to make folks
00:59:06.720realize they are home they are home the walls are real the roof is real the the firelight is real
00:59:12.560the warmth is real it's just it takes time and there's a lot of d i i guess i don't know i want
00:59:19.920to i want to say deep programming but i think it's it's you know habitual ab or habitual um
00:59:25.920tendencies that have a lot of people hung up on things you know i think for for my parents
00:59:31.840generation there was a lot of deprogramming i think for you know our generation and those that
00:59:37.440have come you know 10 20 years after us a lot of them are are blank slates or you know starting out
00:59:44.800as atheists or at best agnostic what i think is really special is we're raising a generation of
00:59:53.280people right now that start with that default that the hoffs are real they've always had hoffs
00:59:59.360that of course the gods are real they grew up knowing about the gods their parents have always
01:00:03.280worshipped the gods we're seeing the first you know the first generations of those things
01:00:09.200and that's very special so things are definitely moving in the right direction
01:00:14.320the next question is does the name for seti uh where does the name for seti come from
01:00:20.000what runes would be associated with for seti now we've talked a little bit about for seti's
01:00:24.560etymology, but what runes do you feel would best be associated with Forseti?
01:00:34.640That's a good question. My instant law speaker got me over at Auster weekend. He said,
01:00:42.160I'm going to say something and I want you to say the first thing that pops into your head.
01:00:45.600And I had no idea what was going on. I was in the middle of doing something and then he asked me a
01:00:49.440question and it popped and i thought that was a truly genuine way of pulling things out so the
01:00:55.880first rune that popped into my head was was uh rido the the writing room um and a lot of people
01:01:04.820might wonder that because if they're thinking about divinational explanations and books and
01:01:09.920things that think of like travel but correct ordering and the uh setting into motion all of
01:01:20.200the things that are balanced the polaric forces the you know the the positive the negative the
01:01:26.060up the down everything has to be in in order in order to move forward and upward and that's the
01:01:34.220first rune that came into my head as far as you know the correction of action
01:01:40.040you know I think that this is the you know one of the special things about the runes
01:01:48.420the runes function so much as lenses on how you want to view a subject that you could make a case
01:01:59.400for you know many of our runes having some some relation depending on you know depending on how
01:02:06.760your mind works on it and i don't think there's those are wrong answers um i think that as far as
01:02:14.520finding equilibrium and finding balance i think uh gabo i think dagaz are reasonable ones
01:02:25.080i see over in the chat that someone thinks that tiwaz is and you know though we mentioned the
01:02:31.400the polarity between between tier and forsetti i also think that that right ordered upward pillar
01:02:39.080um is is a very good choice on that as well guiding star too through throughout uh
01:02:45.560anything that auspica gates you know seeing through the north star absolutely and and i
01:02:51.800think that that rhido also is is appropriate so i think that you know i think there's a lot of cases
01:02:57.720to be made there but i think those are some good choices um spawn i saw a video today by a volkish
01:03:08.440let me scroll down i wasn't following h i don't know what ch is a
01:03:12.920channel channel focus channel okay on a vote by a focus channel who said our ancestral version
01:03:21.800of a shaman is called a tover or tover with the with the umlauts over the o have you heard this
01:03:32.360before and is it connected to the word tofer so tofer is uh like a is a surname and i think it
01:03:44.200has i'm not 100 sure on the front half the tou but i think it means that the latter half is fari
01:03:52.440it comes from the word fari like uh to to travel or to fareforth um but i do know of the word
01:04:01.320like tover uh and that's a german word and it's an older german word and it it's it's it's almost
01:04:07.640synonymous with the with the nordic word galdr like a spell um especially the modern usage of
01:04:15.560the word galdr in like say icelandic is understood as like a spoken spell or um you know something
01:04:22.360that's being woven with words um and and you know this again shows linguistics there even the word
01:04:29.560like i know a lot of people think of like warlock as you know uh some sort of like a male evil
01:04:36.920witch of like you know post-christianity but the the etymology of it is word locking to walk
01:04:43.480lock things or to lock down things with words um or or sight and so uh in this sense i think it's
01:04:51.960it's it's not connected to the word tofer and it it does mean like a singer of songs or spells
01:04:59.700and as far as in relation to like i guess what everyone would consider shamanism and you said
01:05:06.720volkish in it that would be why german you know this is a german word i think it's it's not modern
01:05:13.280german i think it might be like low or like old middle i i'm not they got a lot of different
01:05:22.080classifications for german um but um as far as you know the the idea of it being
01:05:32.320connected to shamanism that would be interesting i don't know most certainly connected to um
01:05:39.360um you know runic galder uh again being a vitki if you will um but in in correlation perhaps to
01:05:51.040uh what would be i think more saether style uh of um you know trance entering into trance and
01:06:00.740things like that and communicating or perhaps being a uh a hub of communication of things
01:06:06.860unseen i don't know if that directly correlates but it does have the same sense as speaker of spells
01:06:13.980so yeah shamanism is a tricky concept and people have a lot of preconceived ideas
01:06:23.900about it one way or another one of the things is it's tricky because
01:06:28.540the linguists took a very specific holy man of one faith or one people and have cross-applied
01:06:39.420it when they see similarities to universally and so it's never a completely clean
01:06:49.260you know like is to like like i don't think that other faiths necessarily have
01:06:54.140quote unquote shaman that are the same as you know siberian steppe mongol shaman
01:07:03.820but i do think there's a lot of overlap in faiths including ours when it talks about
01:07:09.500trance work and dealing with things beyond the veil but no i've never heard of the uh
01:07:16.380the linguistics that you just pointed out i'm glad swan was here to add on to that
01:07:20.060Our next question, gentlemen, what goddess could be considered protector of the mothers or what goddess should mothers reach out more often for guidance? Frigg, thanks. Frigg, certainly, but Svahn, who else do you think mothers should reach out to specifically?
01:07:39.960Well, yeah, definitely. Frigg is the first and the primary. She is our mother. She is the mystery holder of all that is motherhood.
01:07:53.020But perhaps guidance could come in a different sense. If it's protection or, you know, protection, asking the Ausenir Hlin, who is a maiden of Frigg, is important.
01:08:11.160But let's say if you are talking specific guidance, I would say var. It's spelled V-O-R, but there's two dots above the O, so it's an A-U sound, var, and she is the veiled one.
01:08:22.860The Asenia of insight and guidance or premonition, inclination, perhaps, you know, flash of guidance.
01:08:38.760She is often seen as the one that sees beyond things.
01:08:44.980You know, if you're looking for good counsel, perhaps Sauga, who is, again, we're talking about the Asenia,
01:08:51.760who are maidens of fensala and they are deeply connected to frig and oftentimes i in my uh
01:08:59.440faith practice to frig i will i will bring up the ausenia and frig as well together i oftentimes um
01:09:08.080ask in that sense the other thing is is to to give to frig is good but it is good to ask her
01:09:17.440her handmaiden now okay it's spelled g-n-a with a dash over it but it's pronounced
01:09:26.960now and now is the carrier of messages so if you're seeking guidance from frigga
01:09:33.600one of the things to do is to give gifts to now asking that she beseech on your behalf to
01:09:40.800the all-mother about things so there's a couple of angles you could go with that on that one
01:09:47.440All right. This question is a Svan question. Are there any nods to Forseti in modern day law
01:09:58.440in places like the Icelandic thing? So other than a title, I think there is a holding title
01:10:06.560of that, of Forseti being a, like a legal title utilized. Like if we were to say a judge or a
01:10:15.240magistrate or or something like that i do believe there is an actual title in the government but
01:10:21.240as far as directly to the elthing um i don't i don't believe so i don't think there's any
01:10:29.320iconography i don't think there's any you know like statuary in front of any buildings and kind
01:10:36.760of connecting those those um you know the elder beliefs to the modern uh law not not to my
01:10:45.800knowledge so isn't uh fun in icelandic doesn't forsetti equal president yeah it's it's it like
01:10:55.000to preside over yes well no i mean as a title so right now i noticed you know preparing for stuff
01:11:00.920when you google for seti it gives you joe biden and then a list of other presidents of other
01:11:07.720countries right well and it's like you know the usage of the word prime minister you know uh it's
01:11:18.120not a common usage word okay but yes it's like a presiding a president if you will um
01:11:27.080Um, you know, like Iceland had, you know, the, they, they're, they're, they have been involved in mitigations of peace, um, between like during the cold war, you know, uh, I, I remember it was a very big deal when Reagan came up there, uh, back in the eighties.
01:11:45.140And so, yeah, I think it's I could definitely see the manifestation of of his power there in utilizing peace talks between nations and things like that.
01:11:59.240But, you know, outside of that, it's not a common, you know, used word.
01:12:04.040i think most people just you know especially in reference to anyone else let's just say president
01:12:09.480you know or or i mean oftentimes by name because you could go right up to his house or or her house
01:12:17.320back in the 80s we were talking about during the reagan time but um yeah so it's not a common use
01:12:24.840i think but it you know it's it's kind of a position of one presiding over
01:12:29.960All right, so we have a comical question, but a question nonetheless. Do juggalos need to come home? Juggalos need something. I was really surprised. I didn't know that was still a thing until this last, and I don't know why it came up, but until this last Feast of the Einherjar, I was driving through Texas and the conversation came up.
01:12:54.080apparently that's, that's still a, that's still a thing. So I, I was unaware. Um,
01:13:01.240they need something. Uh, the only thing I know of is that the, uh, there was a thing I remember
01:13:08.300seeing where, um, they were being accused of, cause whenever a large group of like white people
01:13:14.560congregate, people get, you know, they, they, they, they immediately start decrying all kinds
01:13:20.960a bad thing. So I think that I remember seeing this whole kind of tirade of jungalows, basically,
01:13:27.040you know, admonishing that they're, you know, they're not, they're not racially aware. They're
01:13:33.640not trying to push for anything. They're just having a good time. And obviously, I mean,
01:13:36.800it's built around clown face rappers. You know, these guys are folk, but they're clearly not.
01:13:44.440Yeah, they need to come home. They probably need to wash off significantly first,
01:13:49.660Probably need some cleansing rituals before we get Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope to come over.
01:18:25.160It's one of the things does, you know, does Thor need the little bit of you putting your heart on your hand to the horn to be powerful and do things?
01:18:34.820Probably not. But does all of us consistently doing that together, ritually for decades now, does that matter to him?
01:18:46.620i think certainly and and it's not to say that he doesn't appreciate when the smallest individual
01:18:51.820does but as far as you know overall empowerment is it statistically significant maybe not
01:18:58.860but our ritual acts we have to um and some of you may have different ideas about emmanuel
01:19:04.540kant but the idea of the categorical imperative of acting as if you know is something right if
01:19:11.100everyone in every situation were to do that thing each of us individually are relatively small
01:19:19.260but if all of us do the right thing and the right thing synchronized in the fashion of
01:19:24.220rhido like sfan mentioned that is powerful any of the big changes we want to see in the world
01:19:31.660affecting you know our state or our nation or our race or whatever or even affecting
01:19:38.140the gods of our people small actions that we do individually if we all do them together
01:19:46.860equal very big actions and i think that's that's a truth that transcends beyond the veil
01:19:55.820um that's actually a great point to bring up something that you had mentioned earlier this
01:20:00.540week um that synchronization of us all doing it together comes through clarity so like that
01:20:06.700question about um uh faux city and four setty uh and the usage of words and uh you know somebody
01:20:14.300brought up the the usage of of old norse and the clarification that our church uses and then you
01:20:21.580had brought up the reasoning behind this is for all of us to be focused in clarity not confusion
01:20:26.780yes people understand that there is votan and voting but here in america if you say odin or
01:20:33.420oh then people are gonna know exactly what what we're what we're talking about so clarity is
01:20:40.220part of that us building together making the the flow of that much more clear absolutely um
01:20:51.180how do we study so this question from jennifer and justin young
01:20:55.900how do we study things beyond the veil is there a way to use the runes
01:21:03.420It's kind of a broad question. Svahn, what would you say to that?
01:21:08.480Well, I think when we talk about, I think she's referring to when I was talking about the Holy
01:21:15.160Goddess Var and seeing things beyond normal sight. Because that has two meanings in our culture.
01:21:23.460Speaking about beyond the veil could also mean beyond death. But I think that's in reference to
01:21:29.820the the site beyond um yes there i mean there's lots of books and subjects on that in which we
01:21:40.620could go into the uh you know i think that people new to the the faith don't understand
01:21:47.640the roots are are utilized often in faith but when we talk about seeing beyond the veil um
01:21:53.920this could apply to um you know knowledge that's been passed on uh even gifts that you perhaps
01:22:02.140were born with um and you know again there are a lot of uh ideas about the way that our minds
01:22:09.340could be brought about to see more to be aware more um and in in usage of the runes yes there's
01:22:17.620the the runes both internally to help you see i would say yes the runes and there's again lots of
01:22:25.740um ideas and thoughts on that um lots of a corpus of lore to study there um to utilize the
01:22:35.300runes to see beyond the veil or to see beyond things but it doesn't always have to uh manifest
01:22:40.440in the runes and the runes are when you talk about like we would mention the vitkis and things like
01:22:45.740that those aren't i would say the the core of our faith at all that's that's more something that i
01:22:52.840think certain people might be interested in and and that kind of stuff is stuff that was i think
01:22:57.660culturally seen as on the on the edges of things the the i think our ancestors had the the meat
01:23:05.880and potatoes of the community were built around faith family and you know togetherness as a as a
01:23:13.160people um but when you go into looking beyond certain things yes some people do use the runes
01:23:20.280but that's not the only thing there are people like spa mothers that are you know spout on us
01:23:27.160that uh have the ability to see beyond perhaps through water or there's lots of different
01:23:32.280things dream interpretations um you know there's a lot of uh interesting stuff there
01:23:39.480even today my my family had an uh a pretty um haunting encounter with a uh a
01:23:49.400a spow mother or a man who could see beyond things um in relation to an injury of one of
01:23:55.080my family members um and he was in iceland describing the hospital room that uh the
01:24:02.600family member was in and was basically coming to say you know i think that everything is going to
01:24:07.160be well from what i can see he was clearly seeing beyond the veil uh it kind of shocked a lot of uh
01:24:14.280us uh being here in the states but it wasn't used by the runes there were no runes involved in that
01:24:20.680so sometimes it's a gift sometimes it's something that you have to you work at opening it and
01:24:26.200and being aware of opening your awareness but yeah the runes can definitely help
01:24:32.360yeah it's such a complex question because many many many of the things we do involve piercing
01:24:44.820that veil in some way even if it's just simply you know participating in bloat and making
01:24:50.540offerings that transcend and go beyond the veil to the gods and from the gods to us um
01:24:57.900if it's prayers interacting with your ancestors if it's through meditation work you know somebody
01:25:05.180said in the thing mushrooms i'm not advocating that practice but that is a way that people try
01:25:14.480to transcend the veil as well got to be careful with it yeah there's a lot of rich there's a lot
01:25:19.500of different ways it's fun mentioned you know scrying or things in in water or in in other
01:25:27.200mediums that way looking at the runes i mentioned earlier the runes are lenses
01:25:31.900um you know if that's your way of doing things certainly runic divination
01:25:37.380is transmitting messages from beyond the veil um so yeah i think there's a lot of ways to do that
01:25:45.120it depending on what you want to do and you know the the specifics matter there
01:25:49.100but yes runes can be helpful in that practice as can many other things
01:25:54.180next question is coming in late how was Ostara and also how is Sigurheim going as of now so
01:26:03.920updates talked about a little bit at the top of the program but Ostara was awesome
01:26:08.480Ostara at Thor's Hoff was absolutely amazing as far as I've heard Ostara's and all of our
01:26:14.180Hoffs were really good the Ostara at Balders Hoff was difficult because the weather there
01:26:18.000was not cooperative so a lot of roads in Minnesota were closed off but yeah the national event Ostara
01:26:24.140thorsoff was was fantastic this year as far as how things are going with sigerheim things are going
01:26:29.500great we should have two or three people living in non-permanent structures on the site this time
01:26:38.620next month we are currently contacting different lawyers as far as helping us with ownership
01:26:48.700agreements and uh bylaws and any things necessary as far as the legal framework of the intentional
01:26:55.420community there um had a guy out there last weekend taking measurements and talking to a
01:27:01.420sewage guy so we're we're moving forward on that and be aware we are going to have an event there
01:27:07.100in july sigger bloat at siggerheim it's going to be the annual event at siggerheim
01:27:13.020continuing certainly when we get a hoff and when we get a haul there but
01:27:18.220rather rustic until then but we're gonna we're gonna do that starting this year
01:27:24.140um can you please talk a little more about saga witten callahan gave a great informal talk
01:27:33.020at baldershof yule and i'm very interested but struggling to find more info it's fun can you
01:27:39.900tell folks what you know about saga yeah saga is
01:27:49.100the awesome year she's the maiden of fence solar that we often um her her dominion her throne her
01:27:56.220power is in relation to memory and uh that memory is usually in the application of story but also
01:28:03.260kind of extended to genealogy um and so i think when you meet people and they have their own
01:28:11.580relationships they see saga as the the memory reservoir of the of the gods she's the accumulator
01:28:18.220of knowledge or perhaps um it would be more uh like i guess akin to the surface knowledge there's
01:28:26.940deep knowledge and then there's the knowledge that needs to be pulled up immediately pertaining
01:28:30.860to the situation and that's why it's mentioned that odin seeks sauga um to uh recollect lore
01:28:40.140and i think that that i've always kind of um if you were to say and i know we're using like legal
01:28:46.540talk but it's like if you needed somebody to go and find and look up something that was pertinent
01:28:51.340to the moment uh that i think is the relationship that sauga is to odin and to the gods as a as a
01:28:58.860kind of a reservoir of knowledge that brings forth pertaining moments or pertaining focus
01:29:04.860um she's uh in grimness mall she's mentioned as being in sock for back sock for back means the
01:29:13.900sunken benches um and that could have two meanings one is that um the you know if the benches are
01:29:20.380sat upon that they are laden with with uh guests and that could you know uh correlate to a hall
01:29:28.300Like, that would be a good, you know, title for a hall is a place in which the benches are always full. But it more likely has connection to the watery aspect, the mist and the water of the fens, because they're referred to as the maidens of fensaler, the halls that are in the shining fens or the marshland.
01:29:52.460um so marshes are often connected to frig and to the maidens um it's kind of like again the place
01:30:01.340between the air the earth and the water um the uh i guess the essence of her in relation to most
01:30:12.360folks is that she is seen as the historian of things and history has become a huge thing within
01:30:19.100the astro folk assembly every hoff has a historic uh as a historian um and again uh witten callahan
01:30:26.380is you know spearheading a lot of that so her her bringing up sauga is kind of again in relation
01:30:33.980to that so any sense of keeping note log diary story connection of genealogy always about the
01:30:47.100the the looking back and attaining that knowledge is deeply connected to sauga so much so that you
01:30:54.140know the organization of knowledge is just as important being able to bring it forth
01:31:00.700applicating it in the current situation um so yes you know sauga is definitely the goddess of deep
01:31:08.460minded long memory um you know i would say one of the best things to do is to take on the task
01:31:16.300of genealogy and utilize that as a devotional act you know dedicated to her as if like someone was
01:31:24.220to go to the gym and um say you know i i'm i'm i'm working out i'm getting better i'm getting
01:31:30.940stronger and i do this in the glory of the gods and i do this in the glory of thor because i want
01:31:35.500to be stronger and i want to break through uh catharsis and through stagnation it would be
01:31:40.300very much the same way with with sauga i want to deeply remember i want to find the avenues i want
01:31:45.340to search i want to be relentless i want to know the lines that come before me and then i want to
01:31:50.540help others that would be a great devotional act in and of itself but it could take form in other
01:31:56.140other ways as well but yes she's she's often seen as the the uh the um
01:32:05.820i mean she has the ear of odin that's pretty every every evening he shares a horn with her
01:32:13.900and again you know this this the the story the language is talking about how he's going there
01:32:19.340and pulling this knowledge that that is applicable to the the the situation current so useful it's
01:32:27.820not just tomes and tomes and tomes it's it's it's focused so that's something to consider as well
01:32:35.580with sauga you mentioned uh winton callahan in that a number of times it is her birthday
01:32:43.500today happy birthday brandy we hope that you're here today um next question what's the position
01:32:51.420of the afa on the practice of necromancy and related graveyard dark arts considering that
01:32:58.460it's part of sather and galler so this is a we're i promise you we're not trying to dodge
01:33:08.460any of these questions it is hard to answer some of them where the details make so much of the
01:33:15.980difference what is necromancy um it really depends on who you ask on what counts
01:33:25.340magic involving the dead i think that conjures up images of you know resurrecting a skeleton
01:33:36.860zombie army to fight for you um i think that's probably not what the afa does when thinks okay
01:33:43.260but the idea of out setting or going and practicing in mound sitting sitting amongst graves and trying
01:33:51.740to commune with the spirits of our ancestors or our fallen loved ones i think that's a beautiful
01:33:58.060thing that we certainly support um when you throw in dark arts as as a descriptor i mean ghoulish
01:34:08.700gothic silliness isn't something we want to be a part of but the idea of interacting with those that
01:34:15.260that were alive and have passed beyond the veil is you know something we all do very commonly
01:34:20.940you know it is a seeking information from those who have passed
01:34:27.100isn't the lens that we think of it as but going before your altar and praying to deceased loved
01:34:36.120ones and honoring them and asking to interact with them is a form of necromancy in the most
01:34:42.460strict sense of the word those things are certainly appropriate um in the lore there's plenty of
01:34:48.720examples of those kind of things there's plenty of you know odin summoning you know summoning the
01:34:57.600vulva summoning um talking in the rune songs about i believe the uh the tear rune to to speak to the
01:35:05.400hangman um and and speak those are are legitimate practices i think that when you add dark arts to
01:35:15.020it to make it edgy that's probably not something that that we want to get behind and put on the
01:35:20.860postcards but the idea of interacting with the dead is important i think it's a good time to
01:35:27.880throw in here that one thing that is empowering and special about um eventually all of our
01:35:37.140hoffs but specifically now about odin's hoff and in the future or and to a smaller degree or a
01:35:44.160different degree at Thorshof is we actually have the deceased on the property. At Thorshof, we have
01:35:51.760a man that was a Christian gentleman that passed somewhere around the 1900, but with the purchase
01:35:58.580of the property came his grave that was in a very poor condition by the Hof. We've restored it as
01:36:05.800best we can. We try to honor it. That's where I took the ritual mead when we did sumble and
01:36:13.020and different things at Ostara to go out there and share some of that with Mr. Bethea who lies
01:36:20.060out there and having him on the property does empower it in a way. At Odenshof, we've got Adam
01:36:28.400and Becca who are with us out there and their remains are in our graveyard there. And I always
01:36:35.700trying to make a point of going over and you know giving them my regards when i go through there and
01:36:43.300end up sharing some of the mead from ritual and and incorporating them as best we can into the
01:36:49.460things that we do and i think having their remains with us strengthens you know the magic of that
01:36:56.740place and a part of them is is literally with us when we when we do our rituals and when we practice
01:37:02.020house so true there at odin's hof so i think in less spooky ways a degree of necromancy is used
01:37:11.620a lot even though that's probably not what most of us would term it as or think of it as
01:37:16.500what's a use fun well i definitely you were kind of hitting them in the in the in the hitting those
01:37:22.500topics uh necromancy i think when we talk about it is a lot of it was brought about post christianity
01:37:29.620um when in in regards to the idea of it being spooky or dark art stuff and a lot of that was
01:37:34.580about ancestral worship uh repression trying to keep that out of um uh the folk and it it it didn't
01:37:45.380really work because even you know staunchly christian um uh you know populace like even the
01:37:51.380the tombs under paris and ancestor worship in the building of shrines to the dead um long been
01:37:58.020connected to our people but i think the spooky factor really was pressed because again uh you
01:38:03.780know uh christianity by way of saul of tarsus and all of that that they are they have very very
01:38:10.500strict rules about communication with the dead and um you know when we talk about odin and we
01:38:18.580talk about lore and you hit that as well um you know that is a contexting the power of of odin
01:38:26.020and of course to even the the sense of like spookiness or power or not to be trifled with
01:38:34.420sense of odin and so i think our ancestors when they you know they heard these poems and heard
01:38:39.940the stories they that was the context they were taking it in um but you know when you look at and
01:38:46.820i wanted to bring this up is there's this line after christianity in iceland when you're talking
01:38:51.540about the golden book when you're talking about a lot of like the the roy the bach or the svartabok
01:38:58.020of sman the black in iceland that was post christianity and a lot of that had some you
01:39:06.500know admixtures of like medieval kind of uh logics behind that so there was some really dark and and
01:39:16.900odd stuff that came out after that time uh you know i'm speaking of like most people might even
01:39:24.660know about and please look it up at your own risk but the in golden bach they talk about the the
01:39:30.740dead man's pants if you will um and a lot of that stuff that stuff came post christianity and a lot
01:39:38.420of people don't realize like the the the baby sir the um the compass symbol and the helm of awe
01:39:46.420came from that time now a lot of runic knowledge did pass up from that time in the past but there
01:39:52.500was also a lot of layering of things that weren't necessarily nordic or germanic and so i think
01:39:59.860when you see a lot of this um uh like manipulation of the dead that i don't think our ancestors were
01:40:07.300were into the idea was when when odin talks about the hanged man he's talking about like a criminal
01:40:13.620or a crossroad body that person was there probably not for the best of reasons um the vulva you know
01:40:20.820deep seated in the darkest places outside of time and he needs desperation in that so it's that that
01:40:28.420those are those are very you know poignant things but when we talk about like seeing our ancestors
01:40:34.100in the mounds or if a woman tells her you know her husband to be or her new husband to go to
01:40:42.500to the mound of her father and to retain the sword of her father so that he can go forth and
01:40:48.420and um you know become a conqueror build his kingdom that type of communication to the dead
01:40:55.800isn't i don't think it's built on that kind of nefariousness it was seen more as like an ancestral
01:41:02.000linkage. So, uh, yeah, that's graveyard arts clearly, but it's done in reverence. It's done
01:41:12.660in, in, uh, respect in the sense going out there and, uh, laying upon the mound to be inspired,
01:41:20.420um, by those who came before us to connect ourselves to the, to the flows of those who
01:41:27.240came before us so ancestor worship versus you know necromancy dun dun dun is kind of a thing i think
01:41:35.880that needs to be clarified okay so uh this one's from nick might many of our folk especially some
01:41:43.160of the young men focus too much thought and effort and worry and conspiracy on politics
01:41:49.880and on the other as fawn said earlier the lore and myths show and say that we as a folk will survive
01:41:57.240Can we make a concerted effort as a folk to focus more on of our attention and efforts on the gods and on our faith and maybe stop worrying near as much?
01:42:08.580One thousand percent. Yes. It's hard. I get it. There's there's things involved there.
01:42:15.740um when i think that our young men are more prone to it than everyone else
01:42:22.700and i think that we live in a world where there is an increasing at a very rapid pace alienation
01:42:31.600of our folk from our tradition it's very easy to get caught up in that the other thing is
01:42:38.660when you finally find a group of people that think like you and that finally you know the
01:42:44.260whole world's gone crazy, but this other group of people, they think like me, there is this
01:42:49.160tendency, and I think we've all done this, to where you just vomit up all of the possible
01:42:56.400things you've been holding inside that you want to say to somebody else who gets it.
01:43:01.240And it can be very overwhelming for the audience that maybe is not in that spot.
01:43:08.700I think that there, we shouldn't be ignorant to the things that go on around us.
01:43:14.260But the nonstop drumbeat every single day in our circle of what everybody else does that we don't like and everything that's broken and all of these things and all the conspiracies and all the doom and all the gloom.
01:43:29.300And it builds up. It builds up in a very malignant way that is is terrible. And in the meantime, it doesn't accomplish anything.
01:43:41.120um what we are far far far better served doing is being aware of the things that go on that we don't
01:43:51.200like and not engaging in those things but also spending our time building the things that we do
01:43:58.280like we become so focused about how everybody who's not us is doing everything wrong that we
01:44:04.300spend too little time focused on what are we doing and are we doing the right things and are
01:44:10.400we doing enough things you only have so much energy mentally and otherwise to spend over the
01:44:16.080course of your day and when so much of it is spent on negativity that's in some ways
01:44:28.860masochistic you're just flagellating yourself over and over again with
01:44:39.640unpleasantness and all that energy could be put towards building and that's something that i'll
01:44:46.180say the afa has has really made a lot of strives in when we stopped just focusing on all the stuff
01:44:51.940we don't like and really started doubling down on yeah but what can we do we found a lot of cool
01:44:58.580stuff to do. We found enough stuff to do to give four Hoffs and we're working on a fifth with a
01:45:04.120plan for a sixth. We got Sigurheim. We, you know, we, we grow, we do things. We built a beautiful
01:45:10.380AFA family. We're having kids. We're doing amazing things. There's a lot of stuff broken.
01:45:15.500We all get that, but there's a lot of stuff that we're doing. That's amazing. And if we focused
01:45:19.580our attention to the more of us, if we all, if everyone in this conversation at night
01:45:24.140took all of the energy that they focus in every day on guess what new video we can watch
01:45:32.380of people that don't look like us doing something we don't like and instead put that towards doing
01:45:38.420something we do like I think we would be amazed at what we can accomplish together
01:45:42.840you have thoughts on that Svon yeah and I think you you spoke very very clearly and hit all that
01:45:52.940very well i mean other i would say you re-emphasizing to what you just said there
01:45:57.720are a lot of folks that come into our community they meet they meet folk and they're happy to
01:46:03.380talk about a lot of the um you know dreadful and the dark and the gloom because they haven't had
01:46:10.560anybody to talk to about it um and then they're kind of met at the same time with like okay
01:46:17.040so look at this room full of people and we're not we're happy we're doing things we're organized
01:46:25.360we're we're honoring the gods we're doing things i think it throws people for a loop at first or
01:46:31.680oh these don't these people don't care it's like we're doing the proper usage of care is is moving
01:46:39.780forward and upwards so i i wanted to yeah that was a good point that you hit there all right
01:46:46.720uh next gentlemen we are experiencing an awakening of our folk and people at the same time the degree
01:46:54.360of degeneracy in clown world is astonishing do you see a correlation all father guiding us forward
01:47:01.320um there's absolutely a correlation and this is one of those things is focusing on positive things
01:47:12.340It is terrible that the world is spiraling into clown world as bad as it is, but it doing so is pushing so many traditionally minded, just regular folks outside of their comfort zone that they are awakening to our gods.
01:47:30.500They're coming to the Astro Folk Assembly.
01:47:33.360When things are comfort, it's very easy to grow stagnant when you're comfortable.
01:47:39.160When the times that we live in make things very uncomfortable for those of us of good conscience, it drives people towards action, towards doing, towards changing the paradigm that they're currently thinking about, towards awakening.
01:47:56.160And we're seeing that in a really beautiful way.
01:47:59.660And, yeah, the two are absolutely correlated.
01:48:04.320And is the All-Father guiding us forward?
01:49:19.760Next question is, how did the AFA start?
01:49:26.740so all right the afa as it's currently formed the house true folk assembly
01:49:36.020started depending on who you ask and there's not like a specific date that we can find so
01:49:44.740i always date it from the beginning of the year from january 1 1995. basically over that yule
01:49:54.900the decision was made to make it a thing and it you know so when you go back and you read the um
01:50:03.220the old runestone from the time in the you know the winter issue that came out before that yule
01:50:11.380talks about how you know the afa is going to get started and the spring issue of the the the next
01:50:18.900one out says how the afa is now started so sometime in that winter uh the afa started and it
01:50:27.700was a coming together of a number of different things so and just as a point of interest i
01:50:33.780posted a couple of videos about a month back now i'd say of uh an old an old vhs of
01:50:43.620a midsummer bloat from 1994 and that was just a few months before six months before the afa was
01:50:50.900found and you can see kind of the state of where as true us true was at at the time um
01:50:59.860so steve mcdallin our founder began his relationship with odin in 1968
01:51:06.260shortly thereafter in 72 we founded the austral free assembly and then through various stops and
01:51:14.660starts and figuring stuff out over the course of the 70s and into the mid late 80s the austral free
01:51:22.580assembly established a lot of things that we still do today as far as ritual structure and things
01:51:28.740that we kind of take for granted but they did those um fundamental first steps in developing
01:51:34.900Oustru at the time. But there's a lot of infighting. There's a lot of squabbling over
01:51:42.040petty things. There was a lot of, you know, follies that young men have and didn't work
01:51:50.200out. And because of that, Steve closed shop on the Oustru Free Assembly in, I want to
01:51:59.580say 1987 I think it's not somewhere very close to that um and he kind of traveled the world and
01:52:08.700went about doing some of his own things for a while still very much else is true still very much
01:52:14.280um in trough with with the all-father but you know seeing the world experiencing some things
01:52:21.120having a little bit of a dark night of the soul as far as introspection on things that worked
01:52:26.520things that didn't work. A number of people carried on doing
01:52:31.000Ausatru in the meantime. The Ausatru Alliance did a lot of
01:52:34.560carryover of what the old AFA used to do. And the Ring of
01:52:38.960Troth was founded and very, very quickly turned from a
01:52:43.840relatively folkish organization into a far leftist extremist
01:52:49.240social justice cabal. That was the first period that there was
01:52:55.260any such concept as universalism. Before then, Austertru was always inherently folkish,
01:53:00.600but around 1990, the Ring of Troth decided to take a hard left, and that's when universalist
01:53:09.700Austertru kind of started. And so Steve, during the early 90s, he'd gone through a divorce in,
01:53:17.920believe the late 80s right around 90 or so um he got together with with his wife sheila and they
01:53:28.080started reprinting or uh printing new copies of the runestone early on in the 90s i think
01:53:32.880in like 92 or so and steve started getting re-involved in the also true scene that he'd
01:53:40.000kind of left behind for a while and seeing the developments in that and the folkish element
01:53:46.880wasn't developing very strongly or didn't grow as much as he would like to have seen and this
01:53:52.160universalist heresy had really taken root in a lot of places and there was a lot of confusion
01:53:58.240on this thing that he started and so he really felt a need to get back involved and to re-establish
01:54:05.920the right way of doing aussitrew and so that's something that he and sheila decided on and
01:54:13.920and then got rolling in that winter between 94 and 95 and it started very slowly and it
01:54:20.080took a while to gain momentum but that's uh that's when and why the afa and how the afa started
01:54:30.320svan can you speak about idun's apples
01:54:36.000yeah well i i wanted to say too over here uh obsidian skull had made a reference
01:54:42.320back to the idea that not not dark as in nefarious but dark isn't just you know the aspects of of uh
01:54:49.600you know talking about death and and that stuff and i i think that there's um some clarification
01:54:56.640that was brought by just saying that so i i appreciate that point being mentioned that he
01:55:04.160wasn't talking about just like perhaps say evil but you know the subjects that are kind of on the
01:55:09.040the winter tidying side, the underneath, the dark and the shaded beyond the veil of things.
01:55:15.740And yeah, that's an interesting point because again, words and you only have, you know,
01:55:20.340when you're typing is when you say something like necromancy or vidki, like one little word
01:55:24.740can just throw that off into lots of different meanings. But I thought that was very interesting
01:55:30.480seeing some of this, the chat going on over here. As far as, so Edun's apples,
01:55:36.960um one of the truly beautiful things that i think about is that there is when we talk about pan
01:55:45.440arianism that's a word that a lot of people have been asking about what is what does that even mean
01:55:50.720and um i think this is one of the greatest examples of it because when we look at um
01:55:58.880all branches of the of the arian folk uh all over you know from from the source westward and
01:56:07.280southward and all over there is the correlated like power source of the gods there is a sense
01:56:15.440or a source of that which the gods nourish themselves from and it's often taken in the form
01:56:22.640of a a power source or a pure source gold light youthfulness is always kind of associated with it
01:56:34.240the the light of it of enlightenment and the opening of the mind um it's important to you
01:56:42.240know for us apples again uh that that has a lot of connotations to our people and what that might
01:56:49.360mean you know it's a i know a lot of people try to connect either one with eden and uh apples to
01:56:57.440the bible but you know most likely that the the biblical stories were referring to a fruit and
01:57:02.560that fruit most likely was like a pomegranate um the apple was added later with you know once uh
01:57:09.600christianity was kind of embedded into europe because of the importance of what the apple is
01:57:14.480to us as a folk so the usage of the the apple as a symbol of that power that nourishment that the
01:57:21.840gods contain and then she she is the threshold in which that power passes through that the gods
01:57:30.160nourish themselves in continuance with it that that is a an interesting topic and i think you
01:57:37.600get a lot of different answers from people but i would say purity light and order that the apples
01:57:45.360symbolize natural law and cosmic order in capsulation there that the symbol of the apple
01:57:54.160the golden apple is the that symbol of the encapsulation of all that is cosmic order and
01:58:01.120natural law that once the gods attained that that alignment with each other once the the the vanir
01:58:09.040and the icier became one that encapsulation of that moment that power that was from that moment
01:58:16.800bringing them clearing all obstructions that power flow is represented in the apple so and even is
01:58:26.960is the harbinger, because again, another Aryan, pan-Aryan concept in all of our faiths, whether
01:58:35.220Hellenics or Slavics or Gaulish or whoever, the bestowment of that power and the keeping of that
01:58:43.040power in the feminine that is then given to, well, it's given to the gods, but you can see it even in
01:58:50.880the imagery when you see Ethan giving the apples to an oust in paintings, that image
01:58:59.180is very well clear, and I think it has a deep folk meaning, is that the bestowment of that
01:59:07.480power upon the masculine is a constant thing. When the horn with the mead is given, when
01:59:16.540the apple with the light and with the with the power of the imbuement of of eternal is given
01:59:22.760it's given so that it then the gods can go out and willfully manifest in the world so you see
01:59:28.560a lot of that too so both of those the apple itself and the source of nourishment of the
01:59:33.200eternal and that being threshold by a maiden are both you know clear connections to like
01:59:42.640you see this motif in the stories of all the Aryan folk. And so I would definitely say that's one of
01:59:49.500the ones that I bring up when we talk about our connectivity to our cousins or our brothers in
01:59:56.140the branches of all the folk faiths. You can see that happening over and over and over again.
02:00:02.800But it is my belief, yeah, that is the power, that conduit power that the gods received after they
02:00:09.360aligned you see that transcend beyond just in this part of panarianism you see that transcend
02:00:17.920um paganism into christianity in the form of the grail and the grail mythos the idea of
02:00:25.440sipping the very sustenance of the divine that that which grants the immortality which grants
02:00:33.260you know the godliness to the gods being able to to somehow have a sip of that
02:00:38.960um and sharing that in a form of communion yeah the the ambrosia amongst the hellenics the
02:00:46.680cauldrons amongst the gulls the soma amongst the vedics exactly absolutely the interconnection of
02:00:52.760all of our folk uh gentlemen what information do we have about slavic perun uh looks like it's thor
02:01:00.880minus the axe versus hammer description, but if you look closely at a Mjolnir pendant,
02:01:06.960it kind of looks like an axe head. Thanks. What say you, Svan? Well, that's a cultural thing.
02:01:15.380Yeah, when, you know, if the Slavic see, I've seen them also use a bow and arrow.
02:01:20.520That, some of the imagery that I've looked up in my, just researching some Slavic artwork,
02:01:27.580because i'm interested in in uh art is uh one of the greatest forms of symbolic faith translation
02:01:35.320the way to to the way you can see a people is the way they see and express the divine
02:01:41.920and the the the symbology and imagery um that's how you know european uh it it changed the face
02:01:50.400of christianity when christianity came into europe it didn't look like what it what it is
02:01:55.020perceived um you know after it came into europe there was a lot of change there um the uh the
02:02:03.420usage of of these things so an axe a bow a hammer i mean and again remembering too that you know
02:02:10.780thor had had the iron rod before mjolnir and of course too you know there's correlation perhaps
02:02:16.860in the bronze age that there was the the bronze-headed axe especially they've been found
02:02:21.900in wells and at the bases of trees that um you know are presumed possibly to be struck or grown
02:02:29.020from a place where lightning was struck um and those correlations to the oak so again oaks thor
02:02:37.420peron there's heavy associations there um the striking implement so i i always call it the
02:02:44.060switch the contact switch whatever that form might be the slavs viewed it in their own way
02:02:50.140and we view it in our way um but it's more important to understand that when we talk
02:02:55.180about perun i think in respect to the slobs you know seeing uh seeing how they culturally see that
02:03:01.660that contact switch of the striker is important but our way is slightly different and um
02:03:09.980again the the dynamics of of perun to velis the god of the dead and magic and they're kind of
02:03:20.140I guess competing an antithesis in the Slavic religion is very interesting. I think it greatly influenced the poem of the Norse of Haurbar, where Thor and, you know, high beard or gray beard or the hoary beard ferryman across the water.
02:03:40.120I think there was a lot of influence there because you can see that same dynamic that's also placed within like Eastern Germanics and the Slavs in relation to the striker and the, you know, the entity of death, if you will.
02:03:56.620um and again that's another like very loud pan-arian point is when the striker is um you
02:04:06.660know he doesn't stop until death is involved he doesn't step foot in the land of the dead
02:04:10.640it's connected to the earth and that that's a huge thing amongst you know whether you're talking
02:04:18.020about you know uh the vedics or slavs or hellenics but um as far as you know answering fully about
02:04:27.620perun you know that i i have respect and i'm i'm studying but i you know somebody that is of the
02:04:35.140slavic folk faith would be a much better uh speaker on that but from my observations of them as a
02:04:44.180people i see there is it's just there it's their culture and our culture speaking of the same
02:04:52.900divine arian god of of the sky and of thunder storm father so yes um your original thing
02:05:03.060looks like thor but with a different weapon yeah same same thing i think it oversimplifies
02:05:08.500but to avoid confusion from an outsider's point of view who's not slavic yes that's the take home
02:05:18.180there's undoubtedly a deep well of really important mythology that comes through the
02:05:25.540slavic understanding of thor and i don't mean to discount that but yes fundamentally that is the
02:05:31.380same god worshipped in a slightly different way with a slightly different implement at the end of
02:05:36.980the day um we need to understand that mjolnir or that axe is a symbol and not a physical item
02:05:51.380um thor exists on a plane that transcends that and our myths talk about the the great power
02:05:58.980of the strike of a hammer so we we envision it as a hammer um to the slavs that's the crushing
02:06:08.020you know swing of an axe to different folk perhaps that's because all of that is the power of
02:06:14.180lightning lightning comes like a bolt perhaps it's like a an arrow that's shot to great effect
02:06:21.220the point is the striker god has the super immense power to strike with great might
02:06:29.040and uh so we need to you know it's not like we we can go break into thor's armory and see his
02:06:35.060his hammer or his axe and i and i don't mean to be silly but i think it's worth reminding
02:06:40.360ourselves of that from time to time um yeah go ahead i was going to say too like another thing
02:06:48.040that would be a great point to look at is the Perun is often depicted as being in a chariot
02:06:55.220or being in a wheeled wagon of some sort. And then, of course, amongst the Gauls, Tyrannus
02:07:04.100carries a wheel as his symbol, the wheel that rolls. And then, of course, Thor is upon a
02:07:13.440chariot so the rolling and the movement uh thor is often referred to as ein reidi the the one who
02:07:20.060rides alone or low reidi the one that rides upon high or is is a loud and cacophonous rider um
02:07:28.260is uh these are all links between each other so finding those commonalities between our branches
02:07:34.480is great it's wonderful but yeah the symbology is more important than the literalism of it it's just
02:07:41.120our cultural version and they have theirs or oku thor the driving thor right um could we use
02:07:49.360forsetti as an example to keep our minds clear for our own judgments of situations so we're not quick
02:07:55.680to act on emotional reflection or reactions can we learn through forsetti of course you can we can
02:08:02.960absolutely learn from all of our gods we can and should um i think that forsetti is a very good
02:08:10.160example to reflect on when you're in a position to make judgments and to deal with interpersonal
02:08:19.360relationships with other men um certainly but yeah we should of course we can we should learn
02:08:26.000from all of our gods uh i made mention of this remember uh the um i made mention of the parentage
02:08:35.360of Forseti. When we talk about Balder, the bold, the soul of the folk, the light, the nobleness,
02:08:42.920the attainment of that which is before us and above us, the connection between and his movement
02:08:51.000from the above and below and back up again, those connections, Balder is the light of the folk soul
02:08:58.380And nana is the devotion and the piety, the bestowment of faith. And so out of that comes
02:09:05.740the nobleness of right action and correct action and acting noble. So Forseti is the embodiment
02:09:14.640of those two factors coming together, bearing forth clarity in mind and clarity in the heart,
02:09:21.220clarity and spirit so yeah absolutely i would say for seti is kind of a personification of that
02:09:29.540it's fine can you tell folks about uh specifics about hexanoct at thor's off yeah
02:09:39.540absolutely so uh yeah that's that might be an interesting one um just yet hexanoct is coming up
02:09:45.940um so hexanoct is ultimately i would say the basic way to cut it down is it is a blessing
02:09:54.340ceremony a blessing by creating fire through friction through spark um and in doing so
02:10:03.000you uh you bless the folk with smoke and herb from the fire and i mean this in the sense that
02:10:14.100we have at thorsof we have a list of herbs dried herbs um uh kind of a like a spell um there's a
02:10:22.660list and that list you you compile the the herbs um together dry them and place them in the fire
02:10:30.340to make the smoke sacred so once the the smoke is created it is billowed over the folk as they pass
02:10:40.500through it because they're entering into a time of the year in which well historically it was
02:10:45.940important um to bless your your men folk your children and the flocks as they were heading out
02:10:52.020into the the mountains or the valleys in order to um to uh you know graze if you will so the origin
02:11:01.460of that kind of comes from there there's a deeper metaphysical point to it as well though there's
02:11:06.740there's chthonic forces of of kind of chaos and and the tearing away of the fabric of of of the
02:11:14.660folk of the of the family of the community that that have often and uh numerous times um are
02:11:24.100referenced in nordic stories as the kind of the wolf riding jotinus which is the uh the hags the
02:11:32.980the uh you know these these kind of degenerating forces of chthonic power um and they you know they
02:11:42.580have the the connection to the feminine in relation to kind of the drawing down and the tearing apart
02:11:48.500into into the uh dissipation of the earth and and the murkiness so i think that's why the hag is
02:11:55.220kind of often seen that way so the knight of the witches from thorshof and and our usage of it is
02:12:02.100that we're blessing the folk against those forces those the uh the hedge shadowed hags and and uh
02:12:11.780dark forces out there and it couples with the ceremony of creating a fire to bless your your
02:12:18.980menfolk to bless your children and so usually the women are the ones that preside over the billowing
02:12:25.380of this smoke and so we have taken it to uh since we can't have all the women just logistics uh we
02:12:33.380usually choose four women who who bear the color red and that color red is symbolic of their power
02:12:40.260red is a dynamic color of power in our culture so they they don some sort of red and they carry
02:12:49.700brooms and the brooms are used to billow the smoke in a direction so they take their bundles of herbs
02:12:56.580and um they place them in the fire and then they billow the fire with their brooms and that pushes
02:13:03.620the smoke in a direction so that the folk can walk through it and receive their their blessings over
02:13:08.500there over them um you know there's a lot of theories to this is like one it might have been
02:13:14.340of good use to do this especially when uh you know going out into the fields with your with
02:13:19.540your flock and your and the menfolk you know smelling like smoke keeping predators at bay
02:13:24.580uh there's a lot of uh poetic lore to the idea of there's the inner guard and the outer guard or
02:13:31.300there's the inland and the outland and the herdsman was going into the outland he was going beyond the
02:13:37.780hedgerows he was going beyond the the confines of the the controlled field to graze on new grass
02:13:44.900that was growing after austra or after spring um had started so blessing the folk when they go out
02:13:52.660there because they would stay out there for long periods of time so this is kind of extended to
02:13:58.580not just the men folk and the herds but or not just the men folk and the young men who are you
02:14:03.860know out there uh watching over the uh the cattle and the and the sheep but now it's presiding over
02:14:10.500the ideas we go forth into summertime and we go into working and testing those edges going out
02:14:18.100beyond the inner lands um it's that blessing of our women uh utilizing their you know the herbs
02:14:27.380the earth magic the good magic healing magic the um the protective um essence of our women
02:14:37.300fighting against those destructive forces out there now there's a lot of stuff when we talk
02:14:42.340about like walspergenacht and germany and the uh the bakken mountain and uh even christianity with
02:14:50.180saint walberga and all of that and that is an interesting thing to go into but you asked
02:14:56.420specifically about hexanoct at thor's off and that's the intention of of hexanoch that we do
02:15:02.420that's the uh the kind of the overall driving force of what we do when we celebrate hexanoch
02:15:10.340now for the longest time in house true hexanoch was seen as that that ceremony or that the night
02:15:15.700before mayday and of course mayday in the gregorian calendar being may 1st um is still
02:15:22.180utilized today because the gregorian calendar is used a lot but um the those that those connections
02:15:30.500came later the overall point is the initial separation of those two was you know them going
02:15:39.140out and and and setting the flocks out you know to to herd and after they got established you know
02:15:45.940they would leave people out there to watch over things and settle things and then a lot of the
02:15:50.420folks came back and again sometimes you know the young men come back and they celebrate and so
02:15:56.260that's why you see a lot of the young men young women connected to mayday but mayday wasn't always
02:16:00.900just specifically on the first of may and that does have connections to um you know the the
02:16:08.260the interactions between the teutonic people and the hellenic uh or the the romans the romantic
02:16:14.900uh empire um and so there's a lot of crossover there that's that's truly interesting as well
02:16:21.620but for hexanoct it we usually place it a good amount of time before mayday and that's the
02:16:28.500intention of it is to bless the folk as they about to you know start their their new movement forward
02:16:35.060into the summer tide all right what are the views of alsatru when a person commits suicide
02:16:42.180like so many questions tonight context is everything um
02:24:04.520Well, when we talk about ascension in quite a few ways,
02:24:08.820I think the first one that most people would be very familiar with is being chosen.
02:24:15.380by odin and that ascension upwards that ascension over the the very bridge that the gods use uh to
02:24:23.380connect themselves to the middle directly into the heart of the of the home of the gods in heaven um
02:24:30.740that ascension i think most everyone is familiar with and there's you know do does it happen if
02:24:35.860you just die in battle or well the val father is the choosing father so there's a big point about
02:24:42.020being chosen um but again context is is a lot um i think that when we speak about folk that
02:24:52.900pass on and then their their stories their their um is still affecting the middle world
02:25:00.340still affecting the actions and the minds and the hearts and the and the words of the folk
02:25:06.100that also leads to an ascension because it's worth remembering that yigdrasil the roots are
02:25:15.360connected to all the layers and so there is a like a circulatory system of this movement the roots
02:25:22.460are of course you know deeply symbolic and but we'll use the the terminology there is is a coming
02:25:28.920up so there's an ability for the folk soul to ascend back up and i think that that happens
02:25:37.080by decree of the gods again but also to um there's an organizational factor that happens once
02:25:44.720there is an ascension or or a pulling up um even after being in the middle world um again because
02:25:53.580hamina and your effects of things are still affecting other folk you you ascend in title
02:25:59.020you ascend in being and um the gods i think from there either bring you in to their their abode
02:26:08.140or sometimes uh especially like in the ascension of of of the dc another great example that a lot
02:26:15.580of people don't think of is is like for instance if there is a matron of the family that is deeply
02:26:21.660powerful and her haminya is has long been spoken of and affected the folk her possibility of
02:26:28.220ascending up as a dsir going through the veil passing through and being drawn back up and
02:26:35.100being placed in that spot in between the gods and and mortal men is where i think the dsir and the
02:26:42.540alvar preside themselves so there's ascension in a lot of different ways or avenues and i think that
02:26:49.660A lot of people do get that when we talk about soul ascension in Ausatru is that, you know, the pieces of our souls have the ability to be placed in a strata that's beyond just simply going to a place where dead people go.
02:27:09.320It's there's a reservoir of the folk soul and there is also pinpoints of where we are ascended even after death.
02:27:17.260Yeah, so this is kind of complex and I think this my answer may go a couple of different places, but I think it's an important concept.
02:27:28.260So fundamentally, a value that's at the core of Alcetru is the idea of worth and measuring worth.
02:27:48.200We absolutely judge people. We judge people all the time.
02:27:51.660And you should. And apply worth to people. That's the very root of the word worship.
02:27:58.260is the applying of worth to someone so how your community how your family
02:28:08.740the worth they place to your existence and the worth that the gods put on your existence
02:28:15.460worth affects ascension fundamentally um we have developed some bad habits linguistically
02:28:25.220of calling people good like oh he's a good guy a good guy means that he's
02:28:32.980not a jerk not a jerk doesn't equal good guy um there's actively bad like you are
02:28:43.220you subtract from the value of the environment you are in and then there's neutral where a whole
02:28:49.620lot of people are that you don't really add or take away we could take you we could leave you
02:28:54.340you know you don't not great but you're not hurting nothing that doesn't make you're not
02:28:59.220a good guy if that's where you find yourself you are a good man or a good woman if
02:29:06.820your family is better because you are there if your community is better because you exist if
02:29:12.820your folk are better because you are part of it so we need to often consider throughout life
02:29:19.860are we worthy are we worthy of our position are we worthy people what is our worth
02:29:26.980we need to do actions and live in such a way to increase that worth
02:29:33.140and the exact matrix of what allows you to ascend and what doesn't
02:29:37.220um there's a lot to interplay with that on who's judgment um but fundamentally i think that it's
02:29:50.540worthwhile and i think it's good to hold out hope that our gods make that judgment first going back
02:29:57.700and just not ascending just passing on and going to your ancestors is not a terrible thing it's not
02:30:04.680a terrible thing at all. It's a nice thing. It's where probably most people, what happens to most
02:30:09.000folks. Maybe there's the possibility of after that in your next existence of something happening
02:30:16.460where you ascend somewhere beyond the veil. There's so much of that that's such a mystery to us.
02:30:24.260But you asked specifically about ascension. Heroes ascend. Now there's big heroes with a big H,
02:30:31.420and there's little heroes who are like heroes of your family ascending to go with the alfar or with
02:30:37.580the dsir because you're a special member of your family that's a type of ascension ascending to
02:30:45.540where you get to go to one of the halls of the gods to where you become something something
02:30:49.580closer in essence to them is another form of ascension um i know that what we're all very
02:30:57.520used to seeing is the Valhalla story of ascension through battlefield death. But it's very important
02:31:06.400that we don't try to limit our gods on what they can and can't do. They can invite whoever they
02:31:11.980want to their halls based on whatever criteria they choose. That's certainly up to them.
02:31:18.020So I don't think that battlefield death is the only path to ascension. And I also think if you're
02:31:25.160inviting people to your halls that it doesn't make a lot of logic sense that if you happen to be such
02:31:30.840an amazing warrior that you defeat all your foes and end up dying in bed because nobody can kill
02:31:37.040you i don't think that really excludes you from from ascension i don't think logic bears that out
02:31:44.060at all at some point we and i'm not claiming it works exactly like this we don't know the
02:31:51.120the extent of how gods think or what makes gods but we know the bare minimum and the bare minimum
02:31:59.960I think we always have to start with is like we do with any other relationship is empathy
02:32:04.440if we assume that the gods are the very best versions of us but more but at the very base
02:32:11.220level they're at least the best versions of us then we've got to assume that they make decisions
02:32:18.280on based on values that that that they cherish and that they care about not based on a mathematical
02:32:25.080rubric of who gets in and who doesn't so they weigh in the and they measure folk for ascension
02:32:31.320now we talk about heroes heroes ascend um men ascend through overcoming and through mastery
02:32:39.800very often they ascend through mastery of themselves or mastery of the situation or
02:32:44.200mastery of others mastery through combat prowess mastery through excellence in a you know in a
02:32:54.120vocation or a uh a skill set mastery through overcoming their physical limitations or their
02:33:00.120mental limitations and transcending and becoming more um that's at the very root of masculine
02:33:06.360ascension whereas feminine ascension is through devotion and through through motherhood and
02:33:13.800through being there being that loyal support of of things being that stalwart that builds the
02:33:22.600family and births heroes female ascension occurs a lot through deep deep devotion
02:33:32.600so those kind of things elevate people towards hero status and the heroes ascend we also believe
02:33:39.080that um the afa heroes that we douse true heroes that in the afa we've honored with days of
02:33:44.440remembrance we all believe all of those folk have ascended and we celebrate them one thing
02:33:50.840that we believe helps ascension is we believe in an idea of posthumous ascension if we
02:33:57.720spread someone's fame to where it is resounding in the halls of the gods and in the other world
02:34:03.800because we have told the story so much and celebrated them so much it ups their status it
02:34:10.280ups their uh it ups their fame and in essence it ups their worth if we can do great things in honor
02:34:18.680of or in the name of someone that we cherish that we want to see ascend in the afterlife
02:34:27.240there's carry over there and so one thing we can do to love ones who've passed is continue to speak
02:34:33.640their name to sing their praises to sing of their deeds to do great things in their honor
02:34:40.840those things help that person to ascend on the other side and those are some ideas about modern
02:34:48.680ascension if we ex okay next question is if we explore our own personal relationship with the
02:34:55.240gods and travel to our ancestral lands like our founder stephen mcnalen uh can we develop the
02:35:01.720same relationship with our gods no of course not no relationship between any two people is ever
02:35:09.240the same but by doing that can you develop a very powerful relationship with your gods absolutely
02:35:17.480but each of our relationships with our gods is going to take a very different form
02:35:23.320maybe by doing that yours will be even greater than our founders maybe it'll just be very
02:35:28.840different but i would encourage everyone to uh to travel and try to connect themselves with the
02:35:36.360lands of their ancestors with their history with where they come from and i think that's
02:35:40.520bound to help you have a much more powerful relationship with your gods whoever you might be
02:35:48.920is the bestowment of power by women the reason why idun is often depicted holding the basket
02:35:55.560of apples over the womb what are your thoughts fawn yeah well we talked about the the symbology
02:36:04.440there the most of the paintings and pictures and things came you know fairly on later especially
02:36:11.080in the romantic period but yes i think that is a deep in inward folk expression of that that that
02:36:22.200that that in imbuement is uh whether we talk about it being natal or whether we talk about
02:36:29.820it being from the core or from the bosom or from the the belly the idea of the source the core the
02:36:36.900threshold um yes that symbology is there at very point in in bringing that up and and and seeing
02:36:43.860that and that that exactly is the kind of mindset that you know should be encouraged and seen as
02:36:51.080yeah you see that and you should tell others and or do you see this as well because that is where
02:36:58.360we see that that cohesiveness of i don't know that the inspiration of an age i was watching
02:37:04.360over the um comments somebody even had used the word zeitgeist and yes again that's the that
02:37:10.120that expression 100 i think you're absolutely right in noticing that as well so we have questions
02:37:17.320about the origins of the term arian european scholars use the term arian to identify the
02:37:23.160indo-european or indo-germanic peoples who settled throughout india persia europe thousands of years
02:37:31.720earlier would we welcome these people into the afa so that's most often a very big hypothetical
02:37:43.560um on the term arian yeah those are our people that swept across asia and europe
02:37:54.360conquering and developing civilization and doing amazing things and the extent of that
02:38:02.600well i mean you could argue that the extent of that in the modern age goes to you know australia
02:38:07.400new zealand in the new world but in the in olden times as it were the two extreme ends of that
02:38:14.600were ireland and iran both of which words mean the land of the arians so the question being
02:38:23.000you know would we let persians and indians into the afa that's a big what if and the imagery it
02:38:31.800It conjures up is, you know, makes people cringe because I think we have a misunderstanding of what
02:38:38.620that means. The population of Aryans that went into Europe are made of the same people that had
02:38:46.420stayed in Europe. So you end up with white folks. The population that settled in India and in Iran
02:38:54.160very you know over the centuries over the millennia have um been diluted by other
02:39:02.540populations and by the native populations of those areas to such a degree that they're no longer us
02:39:09.440they're they're something different um in theory if there was some high caste indian that was
02:39:16.420hiding in some remote part of india that never his people never intermixed with with dravidian
02:39:22.100people over the okay but i think that that's highly highly fanciful now i think you find
02:39:31.220more enclaves similar to that in iran but our standard has always been in the afa and continues
02:39:37.940to be if you're white if you look white if you identify as a white man and if other people who
02:39:45.060see you identify you as that then you're our people um i'm not concerned with the migratory
02:39:54.100patterns of your ancestors as long as you are clearly like the rest of us
02:40:00.420it's not the most satisfying answer to some folks asking a question but it is the honest answer
02:40:08.180i think you can look at iranians and you can look at jason georjani that i think a lot of
02:40:13.380people may be familiar with or you can look at the iron cheek and i think that they're you know
02:40:19.380two very different looking folks so um that's just something to think about but yes aryan people
02:40:27.700wherever they find themselves if they look like the rest of us and are obviously the
02:40:32.580rest of us can join the afa and should join the afa um i have a question is there
02:40:40.580there okay if keevi and russ was uh co-op was occupied by old norse finnish and slavs who
02:40:54.260traded with each other in the 9th to 13th centuries who would have occupied that territory from 1 a.d
02:41:01.940to 20 a.d it's a very specific question
02:41:11.460it's fine do you have any insight on who would have lived in kiev
02:41:18.420from 1 a.d to 20 a.d well we spoke about uh the uh you know the the kievian russ as far as they're
02:41:28.420uh creating the the the structure of kiev in on the coast of the black sea but that there were
02:41:35.860people before there there was people when the when the guttons moved into that area there
02:41:40.660were people living there uh they they made mention of it but they came in and they they took over
02:41:46.180and then um they established you know in the same spot again because kiev is is um you know
02:41:54.900named after their influence from the kievian ruse but we do know that the the guttons when they
02:42:01.140traveled from the black sea they they went over the the southern land and entered into the aegean
02:42:07.300sea and attacked uh athens um you know during the migration periods uh in the early early um
02:42:17.300times when you know this was one of the first of the noted migrations um you know they they helped
02:42:23.940establish but this was before the you know the uh invasion of the huns the um the gutanish people
02:42:30.180moved into those areas and and noticed and the guttons were a conglomerate of tribes like much
02:42:35.940like the alamani or the soebian nations they moved in and uh there were people living there they
02:42:43.140integrated them or they you know conquered them removed them sent them you know running
02:42:51.060a lot of times uh the folks that you know when they were leaving those areas because the guttons
02:42:54.900moved in they were the first ones to tell the the romans and the greeks that what was going on up
02:42:59.940there um and then of course they got hit from the east by the huns and um were uh for many years
02:43:07.620brought under subjugation of the huns um but were not seen as huns they were seen as gutins that
02:43:16.500were kind of again the the eastern folk that had came in and did the very same thing that gutins
02:43:22.580had done you know these layers were all established in in um before the kievian russ came down from
02:43:32.340uh ultimately from sweden you know moving in eastward uh into uh you know russia and then down
02:43:40.260and southward um so there's a lot of layering there but there is yeah the the eastern germanic folk
02:43:48.260uh that spoke the you know the gutanish language uh and then the the folk that were there before
02:43:54.100and those folk you know that's a lot of you know the the the pre-ancestors to what we would call
02:44:00.180the slavs um you know that that was a a huge intermixing time because the language the the
02:44:07.540writing systems the architecture and stones and stuff there's they show a huge blend of influence
02:44:13.140between the germanic slavic and even again eastern hunnic um influences and then even before that
02:44:19.940the scythians you know i would assume they were thracians yes they're thracians and dashians
02:44:26.420or docians yeah prior to uh you know in the first couple centuries a.d but it's a it's very much a
02:44:37.380crossroads of many different points of conquest but the vast majority of those are are different
02:44:42.820branches of arian folk and it's even mentioned in the bible that you know the the the people above
02:44:49.860um the the most eastern side of greece and into where it would be thrace thracians uh you know
02:44:57.060they're mentioned as you know having cattle having iron using chariots or wagons um eating a lot of
02:45:05.140dairy and beef uh even the egyptians mentioned it uh going all the way back that far saying that the
02:45:12.020the people above um the area like say you know like the levant just above that those people were
02:45:20.420most certainly uh folk of of various branches again and scythia is like an an interesting one
02:45:27.620i saw a map recently where they you know the as from a roman perspective they listed scythia as
02:45:32.900being all the way far east into into uh what would be now china so i mean and that's interesting
02:45:39.940in the context of things, but how they viewed the migrations of those people moving back and
02:45:45.600forth from the steps. But yeah, there's a long list of layered people in that area and all of
02:45:52.540them having connections, you know, as folk. So we've got another question. What about
02:45:58.120ascension in a more Greco-Roman sense? Heracles, Achilles, Perseus, Theseus. Is there some form
02:46:07.080avows a true demigod sigurd comes to mind as one of the greats but he doesn't seem to be regarded
02:46:14.440in the same manner of heracles and his ilk and what would make a modern hero fit amongst these
02:46:21.880ranks do our afa heroes hold this regard um no and i think that it's
02:46:37.080I'm trying to think of the right words for it. First, you mentioned demigods. Those heroes of Greco-Roman antiquity are all semi-divine and were semi-divine in their life.
02:46:54.340um you know heracles is the son of zeus those those all of those heroes you mentioned are
02:47:04.460relations to the gods in a very literal very tangible way and exist in a in a mythic time
02:47:11.160in a mythic place that the reality of their deeds that got them there are exalted and beyond
02:47:20.580beyond historical examination. So it's hard to, it's very hard to take a modern person and compare
02:47:28.800them to Achilles. That's a difficult thing to do. The heroes that the AFA celebrates are all heroes
02:47:40.200of our faith, our faith specifically. And the other folks you mentioned are existing in a society
02:47:47.080where their devotion to their gods is a given and they're so they're not
02:47:56.140they don't have to be overtly heroes of their church because the context of their relationship
02:48:04.240to their gods was inherent in the story so in modern times I think there's a lot of people
02:48:11.560that have the kind of heroic battlefield prowess that might put them amongst that echelon of hero
02:48:22.680but it would certainly be looked at in a very different light because we have such a
02:48:28.760such common history to go through we can we can look at them in a very
02:48:32.840a much more realistic light as opposed to the light of great antiquity to see their flaws up
02:48:43.760close or to see the things of them that dim some of that shine that we can't you know we can't
02:48:51.020parse through things about perseus that might make somebody you know make him have real
02:48:57.200characteristics that we that we don't like it would be a much easier thing to do with a person
02:49:03.120that we knew in the modern age um certainly there are great heroes and great warriors that are are
02:49:09.920of that caliber i think that you know there are medal of honor winners that probably deserve that
02:49:18.640kind of exaltation i'm sure there are iron cross uh recipients that deserve that kind of exaltation
02:49:24.560there's people that have achieved that kind of battlefield prowess to be mentioned in amongst
02:49:31.840the likes of achilles but i think unfortunately there's such a big separation between
02:49:37.840those men of such an ancient past and modern people that we have so many
02:49:42.000historical details about to compare them fairly in the same light i think is unfair
02:49:47.680um but that's part of why we're doing our series on our heroes is to try to elevate that knowledge
02:49:54.160of them and that celebration of them our people have moved so far away from the cult of the hero
02:49:59.680that was such a beautiful standout of greco-roman uh paganism that we need to bring some of that
02:50:07.360back in celebrating our great men and our great heroes um maybe when we establish that cult and
02:50:14.480we're able to do that better then some of our heroes will have names that ring with the same
02:50:20.640glory that uh that achilles does what are your thoughts fun well i'm i mean when we talk about
02:50:28.040heroes like perseus and the the the the forces being fought and and the goals being attained of
02:50:37.600those heroes that's i see that a lot in in uh the same regards as we see with like sigurd or beowulf
02:50:44.300Um, but Heracles or Hercules is an interesting one because we see the grand mythos of Hercules