Asatru Folk Assembly - 3⧸27⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 90 - Hávamál, Part 7

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00:03:00.000 Hello everybody, welcome to another exciting edition of Victory Never Sleeps.

00:03:30.000 Thank you very much to Witt and Brandy and our guests from last week.

00:03:41.440 Svon and myself were en route to Thorshoff for our annual OSARA celebration.

00:03:52.720 Got a little bit more on that here in just a second.

00:03:55.680 And as far as updates and such, one of the things that, you know, I was kind of tabulating just before the broadcast tonight was our number of families fed through our food pantry.

00:04:14.040 Those of you that might not know, each of our Hoffs, and we have four Hoffs now, each

00:04:19.540 of our Hoffs once a month does a food pantry to help be good neighbors to our local communities

00:04:28.120 where our Hoffs reside and help people out that may be a little bit extra in need sometimes.

00:04:36.360 So we run the food pantry once a month at each of those locations.

00:04:41.860 yeah, so we do that. Anyways, I'm sorry, Mandy was in here adjusting something on my desk and

00:04:47.680 I was trying to figure out what she was doing. I apologize for the stutter stop there. Anyway,

00:04:52.780 we, all together in the month of March, the Yastru Folk Assembly's food pantries fed 136 families

00:05:02.020 in the communities around our Hoffs. So that's amazing. Thank you so much to all of our awesome

00:05:08.100 volunteers that put the effort in to make those happen and to make that a reality it's really a

00:05:16.380 nice uh nice situation hold on mandy that's not plugged in copy that all right so nick mandy says

00:05:29.380 i got an echo if you could fix that on your end i'd appreciate it um that said

00:05:35.120 all right cool um so that said

00:05:41.480 since uh sorry i'm all thrown off by that i apologize um no we had an amazing amazing

00:05:52.260 weekend i want to tell you a little bit about it and then we've got a slideshow video presentation

00:05:58.060 for you guys um that said yeah it was a really really nice weekend record attendance at uh

00:06:07.920 thorshoff we had 113 people in attendance and that is that is huge it absolutely looks um

00:06:17.940 it made it made the hoff feel very small which was kind of a cool thing you know these are all

00:06:24.420 good problems to have but it uh it was really really nice to have a packed house of our folk

00:06:31.700 there to give worship to our gods uh very very nice weekend met a lot of new uh a lot of new folks

00:06:41.220 um put some names with faces or sorry put some faces with names rather of people who are regulars

00:06:49.460 on this broadcast which is awesome um just a really really solid event all around very quality

00:06:57.140 people uh i talked to energized and charged up and just you know on fire for our gods after that

00:07:10.820 weekend and i'm certainly still feeling it so that's great um as i mentioned tonight in the

00:07:17.620 advertising on stuff and i suppose we'll put this out here before we get to the video

00:07:23.060 this will be our our final episode on the halva mall we'll be finishing that up it's

00:07:30.820 been a really cool journey with you guys and i appreciate y'all being here for it

00:07:38.180 so we should be finishing that tonight nick has a link that he will put up in the chat

00:07:43.380 for those of you who'd like to follow along we are using the the bellows translation

00:07:50.820 as always feel free to use whatever translation you like sometimes they'll put something a little

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00:09:30.500 appreciated. It goes to the amazing things that we're doing, to getting new Hoffs, to spreading

00:09:39.600 the worship of our gods and bringing our folk home. So we really appreciate that. A lot of fun

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00:19:11.240 all right so uh as you can see quite a big weekend um

00:19:38.040 um absolutely spectacular time was had by all i thank you everybody in thorshoff leadership

00:19:46.200 for making that happen and hosting the event and i'm looking forward to next next year if

00:19:53.480 you weren't there this year this year we'd love to see you next year

00:19:56.440 I'd love to see you at other national events between now and then.

00:20:02.040 All right.

00:20:03.260 With that, Son, are you ready to get to have them all study?

00:20:22.340 I don't know.

00:20:24.780 I can't explain it.

00:20:25.920 It was massive amounts of folks, got to meet tons of people, got to talk about great subjects all weekend long.

00:20:36.540 I did miss Sumble, though.

00:20:38.160 I don't know if anybody noticed, but I had my kids.

00:20:42.300 I had to take them back, and by the time I got back, Sumble was well on its way.

00:20:46.960 And I really regret missing it, so I'm bringing that up now.

00:20:54.640 I'm sorry for any offense on that end, but other than that, again, it was perfect, good, everything about it.

00:21:05.420 Even the light rain that we got wasn't terrible, and everything was nice, and then the rain gave way, and sun, and beautiful weather.

00:21:16.560 The egg hunt for the children was unmarred by any, you know, I was stressing about that a lot.

00:21:24.640 as far as the weather goes so it was a great great weekend i'm very very glad to meet

00:21:29.040 so many people who are in the comments now i actually know your faces and i know who you are

00:21:34.800 so that's awesome um yeah you missed out the stumble was one of my favorite symbols i've

00:21:43.920 ever been in it was it was a really really good symbol um not you know not the biggest

00:21:51.760 sumble I've ever been in. Some of those can be a slog when there's that many people, but

00:21:56.960 this was a really, really good sumble with some very beautiful things set over the horn and

00:22:05.520 really proud of a lot of our people that were celebrated during that sumble.

00:22:10.400 Yeah, that's what got me. It's got me when you said that because I know you and I have been to

00:22:15.120 a lot of sumbles. Some of them are beautiful. Some of them are great. Some of them have moments,

00:22:20.880 But if you were saying, but if you were saying the symbols I've never been at, that kind of hits me as like, I really missed out.

00:22:29.960 I really missed out.

00:22:31.640 But, but double parent duty there.

00:22:36.100 So I certainly understand that.

00:22:38.860 Yeah.

00:22:38.960 Next time I will sneak in.

00:22:40.360 Next time I will sneak in.

00:22:41.860 I was hardlining and I think too much with the idea that I didn't want to come in and break things as they were going.

00:22:48.400 time i think i'll but next time i think i'll try to ghost my way in ghost my way in all right well

00:22:55.940 um where are we starting this week we're at 152 you're at 152 and we are on the seventh and we

00:23:04.060 are on the seventh song rune song um and by um and by the arman and set and by the younger set

00:23:11.600 That this would move us into the Heya room, as it's called in the Younger Furtark.

00:23:18.140 I'm not sure about the Armonian. 0.87

00:23:24.580 I didn't pull it up.

00:23:33.480 All right.

00:23:36.440 Yeah, chat room, we're aware there's still some echoing going on.

00:23:40.560 i know that uh nick is nick is diligently working to fix that

00:23:50.160 yeah everything online is

00:24:02.080 all righty so and without any further ado let's go ahead and go through uh 152

00:24:10.560 If you need me, I might be able to switch over to a headset, but nothing's registering over on my side as being an echo.

00:24:30.060 Do you guys want me to try to get back in?

00:24:34.380 no i'd like you to just go ahead with 152 and uh if we could i don't know keep some of the

00:24:42.940 troubleshooting to the back channels on this it'd be it'd be nice and we'll do what we can

00:24:48.360 and in the meantime i'm sure our tech folks will try to find solutions all right so we're here at

00:24:56.680 152. um and and the armanin is hagal uh or hail in the younger futhar this this is generally we're

00:25:07.240 we're attaching the rune indirect to the song there's a lot of theories as perhaps maybe the

00:25:14.680 songs are multiple runes or or but we're working from the direct correlations too and um this one

00:25:24.200 one is really interesting. It's nice. I think it's very, very clear. A seventh I know. If

00:25:33.060 I see in flames the hall over my comrades' heads, it burns not so wide that I will not

00:25:42.440 quench it. I know that song to sing. Now, one of the things about Belgium's translations

00:25:49.900 that causes a lot of confusion um is the way that he writes it a lot of people don't

00:25:56.940 fully know that what he's saying is it cannot burn so wide or it cannot burn so strong

00:26:04.540 that i cannot quench it but it comes out sounding a little it burns not so wide

00:26:11.580 that i will not quench it and that kind of throws some folks off um some of the questions that

00:26:18.700 uh addressing in relation to bellow's translations over the weekend at at uh uh thorsoff was about

00:26:27.340 the beauty of his writing but some of it like missteps in the way that it's being

00:26:33.260 written or presented uh and um goi bode mayo made a great point he said it's it's almost victorian

00:26:42.380 in its its uh placement and grammar um and you can kind of see the uh effectiveness of

00:26:54.380 of the language versus say like hollander another very poetic one um whereas thorpe has a tendency

00:27:01.740 to cut straight to the bone there's not a lot of poetics so when you get these attempts at

00:27:07.340 bringing the poetics back you get a kind of a little choppiness in here it burns not so wide

00:27:15.920 that i will not quench it um this usage of that or those words i mean just kind of

00:27:24.160 seem a little out of place now yeah keep in mind that uh bellows was doing this work i mean i don't

00:27:31.160 know exactly at what point in his life he did this translation, but he was born in 1885.

00:27:37.380 Right. Yeah. Later, later end of the 1800s. And so the usage of things, um, and again,

00:27:46.920 attempting when the translators attempt to keep the poetics alive and the meter trying to keep

00:27:56.200 some of the tempo alive, we find, you know, the sense of the words, maybe not so completely

00:28:05.760 like Shakespearean in their construction, but there's flares of it here and there, and

00:28:11.900 I think that because we don't use those words so often or in such a tempo, it throws people

00:28:19.200 off. And this rune, in correlation, if we're talking about ha'l, if we're talking about heil,

00:28:30.080 in this sense, it is speaking of the rune, the song, has the ability to quench the fires.

00:28:39.840 And the interesting translation of comrades, the word in the old north side is

00:28:48.400 ses mogum and ses mogum mogum ses just means seat so it's like but it's most likely referring to a

00:28:58.000 bench so it's a bench mate or someone that's sitting at the long tables with me you know it's

00:29:05.600 a kind of uh or yeah with the with the the speaker so you know seeing the fires over my

00:29:14.160 you know fellow bench mates in the long haul i can speak it and know it and quench it um

00:29:22.960 to to lay the fire to to sleep and this of course lends itself to the hail rune

00:29:29.040 the hail rune is a rune oftentimes associated with um torrents and storms but also with um the

00:29:38.400 subduing or the um constraint but not or i'm sorry constraints not the correct word blockage of

00:29:48.380 certain primordial powers or uh the flaring of heat so hail is kind of seen as that that which

00:29:55.920 kind of blocks or keeps things contained it's the sometimes referred to as the cosmic ice seed

00:30:02.020 Or I know in certain binding and barrier bind runs, hail is often used, or hagalas is often used in relation to keeping things at bay.

00:30:21.040 And here, too, another part of the translation.

00:30:24.920 I know that song to sing.

00:30:29.040 He says galder instead of song.

00:30:32.020 which is another reason why sometimes you'll get people who can who are translating and doing

00:30:38.420 you know their scholastics and they'll they'll be very very poignant to say these aren't runes

00:30:44.260 these are songs but they'll fail to mention that the word song and the word gulder are often

00:30:52.260 used uh interchangeably but i would say that the the better way of knowing it is

00:30:58.420 a galder is a spell a galder is a culmination of perhaps chant or um manifesting of power very it

00:31:11.380 could be as simple simple as a mantra but it could also get as complex as a poem or a song and

00:31:19.140 And a collection of those Galdars could be seen as like liodhs or songs.

00:31:29.400 You kind of see the plural versus the singular.

00:31:32.360 But a lot of people get caught up on, you know, is a Galdar just a sound?

00:31:37.100 And no, it's a spell in modern usage.

00:31:41.180 And in elder usage, it was a magical saying of either words or sounds or things to manifest power.

00:31:53.540 Can you hear me, Svon?

00:31:55.260 Yes.

00:31:56.360 All right.

00:31:56.780 We're having some trouble there a second ago.

00:31:58.600 So I, a couple of things and it kind of got, I don't know, we moved past the initial thing I was making, but there's a couple of points I want to make.

00:32:09.260 But before I do, Chris Lukat donated $20.

00:32:14.620 Thank you so much for that.

00:32:16.000 We appreciate your donation.

00:32:18.020 He says, representing Folk Ermansel for an inside joke,

00:32:22.180 Swan missed at Sumble.

00:32:23.900 Hail Hoff Daddy 88.

00:32:28.560 I missed that.

00:32:29.700 I missed that.

00:32:30.740 Yes.

00:32:31.760 Those of you who are there get it.

00:32:33.360 Those of you who don't be there next year, maybe you will get it then.

00:32:36.560 But thank you very much, Chris, for your donation.

00:32:40.060 We appreciate that a lot.

00:32:41.200 So one of the things on this rune, one of the truths that it represents, oftentimes people conceive of certain of our runes as good or bad.

00:32:59.440 And I don't think it doesn't work that way.

00:33:06.560 they represent, I don't know, I guess, fundamental pieces of existence. And

00:33:16.700 like, just like storms, they're neither good nor bad, they just are. And one can harness benefits

00:33:26.660 from them or one can take you know take damage from them and i think that one of the

00:33:37.140 one of the things with some of these runes is not just the straightforward uh understanding of them

00:33:45.780 but if you master them then you have the ability to

00:33:49.300 to bend them to the good, to find the opportunity that they present.

00:33:59.740 Hagalaz, as a rune, certainly in the way that it gets, so okay, we've all seen ideographically

00:34:08.780 the H or the double-barred H with the slanted crossbar, and I think that's the one we see

00:34:16.300 the elder futhark most often but in the other systems including the arman and it's much more

00:34:23.100 of a snowflake looking pattern the idea of it it's often the seed rune it contains um

00:34:30.780 because all of our runes are connect are like a collection of straight lines that intersect and

00:34:36.700 do different things off of one another it's seen as something that you can make lots of different

00:34:43.260 runes out of it in and of itself is a is a bind rune in a lot of ways um it represents a lot of

00:34:53.420 potential when there is the storm and tumult it opens up lots and lots of opportunity

00:35:03.420 and this is one of the things that i look at when i ask the nornier to bless a new baby

00:35:10.540 and this was uh relevant to baby naming i performed at ostara this was one of the runes

00:35:16.980 that was drawn yeah yeah so when this happens you know i'm asking for a gift i don't think that

00:35:24.200 they're going to just you know throw curses into the gift that i'm asking for that's not good

00:35:29.580 spirited and and i i think better of our nor near than that so the challenge is to see how runes

00:35:38.360 that sometimes look negative apply in different situations with with hopeful

00:35:47.980 meanings or positive meanings and there's a lot of that so figuring out

00:35:52.740 the runic lens and it's all situational it really depends on when you draw that

00:35:58.040 if you're using runes divinationally or to shed light on things so another

00:36:08.240 note on runes and the people jumping on, aha, it says songs that can't be runes.

00:36:19.340 There is a lot of people out there, and this is a trend that I think we would all be wise

00:36:25.560 to shy away from. Some of us in a broad sense are in more need of this advice than others.

00:36:38.240 people I'm trying to think of the best way to express it because there's a lot of different

00:36:47.560 ways and it's hard without citing lots of examples and taking as far afield but there's a tendency to

00:36:54.760 celebrate something that you find that is unique and different so if everybody you know has one

00:37:05.120 take on it you need your hot take on something that's different that shakes up everybody's

00:37:09.500 understanding and that's really appealing when there's no consequence to what you do

00:37:19.000 you know everybody does that like ah history's been you know done over and over and over again

00:37:24.900 we all know history we all know these you know great old white men of history so i'm gonna have

00:37:29.900 hot take my new commie take on history is i'm going to find you know i'm going to find these

00:37:35.580 little points of incongruence and come up with a ridiculous theory because i have a shred of

00:37:42.620 implication i'm going to override you know tones and tones of stuff to the contrary and i think

00:37:53.020 sometimes people do that in their attempts to rediscover how our ancestors conceived

00:38:01.760 of our faith in their time. Svonne and I have talked on here fundamentally, the speaking

00:38:09.920 into existence of something is perhaps the fundamental magical act. Runes are much more

00:38:19.800 than straight line drawings that are carved on stuff. That is an expression of a rune

00:38:27.180 in the physical. There's also intonation and galder of runes that is fundamental to it,

00:38:33.740 and we see that. This is, in fact, a great example of it. It's funny the lengths that

00:38:44.560 people will go to. So I caution people to avoid the tendency to find different and innovative

00:38:57.500 ways to be contrary instead of showing deference to folks that have spent a lot of time really

00:39:08.800 started studying the deep things on this instead of finding surface, you know, surface things to

00:39:14.860 say, aha, I found it. And it's really easy to do that. I don't know if that makes a lot of sense,

00:39:20.720 but sometimes in the reasoning of this, it's like there's a anti-Ockham's razor proposition.

00:39:27.280 Sometimes when there's something that is conventionally believed, makes all the sense

00:39:31.840 in the world we reject it for the strange extreme doesn't really fit ludicrous theory because it's

00:39:42.320 more fun to choose a different path than to digest age-old wisdom and i think that we do good to

00:39:50.080 be cautious against that um swan with that will you move us into verse 153

00:40:01.840 For an eighth I know what to all is useful to learn when hatred grows among the sons of men that I can quickly assuage.

00:40:23.240 Now that's interesting because, so I just read a Bellows translation, and here's a different translation, and it is also a Bellows.

00:40:31.840 Though, um, an eighth I know, that is all to the greatest good to learn.

00:40:37.180 When hatred grows among heroes, sons, I soon can set it aright.

00:40:45.260 That is...

00:40:48.980 Oh, no, I'm sorry.

00:40:51.420 I actually was hitting the Thorpe translation on my multiples.

00:40:57.400 Excuse me.

00:40:59.040 Yes.

00:40:59.440 But again, the sons of men versus the heroes, or among heroes, sons, I think that's very interesting. Sometimes it's translated as warriors, sons.

00:41:15.020 um this rune is uh correlated to nalthies now these is the room of constraint um sometimes

00:41:24.220 it's called the room of toil but oftentimes too it is the ruin of binding the room of subduance

00:41:31.500 and um we kind of see this in a positive sense since you you spoke of this um this is a perfect

00:41:39.820 example, oftentimes Mouthy is seen as a negative. Again, it's just a perception of. But in this

00:41:48.440 case, we're talking about the subduing of emotions, the flaring of horalsome nature in the halls of

00:41:57.380 warriors. And I think that's the significance of this is because the reason why hero's sons or

00:42:05.880 warriors sons is because this is culturally connected with the idea that bad things that

00:42:13.480 happen in the halls can spill out into the land. If people have a grievance over certain things,

00:42:19.580 and they are in high station, this could cause skirmishes, wars, bloodshed. And that's why I

00:42:28.200 think there's an emphasis there on heroes, sons, or the sons of warriors. And, you know, it's,

00:42:37.960 again, of the greatest good, seeing that the folk must err towards, you know, maintaining

00:42:47.360 peace in order to prosper is a high value. I was just, again, looking at some of the

00:42:57.020 cross translation. Some of these are truly interesting, but, um, you know, this utilizing

00:43:04.860 this rune, um, some people, you know, believe that the, the ability to encapsulate a runic

00:43:12.740 power, um, can be done through simply song. There isn't, you know, not a symbol or a need

00:43:21.740 to carve or to do these kind of elaborate um steps that there can be kind of again pulling

00:43:29.580 or a manifestation of i i have seen and witnessed some strange things perhaps even weird things um

00:43:38.040 from my runicure in which he kind of expounded on this and um you know

00:43:45.040 did some things where i the closest thing that i could see to like leo

00:43:51.420 um and which it ended up causing someone to like leave the building um and whatever reasons it may

00:43:59.400 be it could have been a phone call that they had to leave or um i don't know there's time for them

00:44:05.840 to go or they had an appointment at some point i've tried to logically gather as to what exactly

00:44:11.660 happened but um my teacher was saying that there are ways that you can kind of again manifest the

00:44:21.420 power of the runes through a long study and training and um to kind of become part of the

00:44:29.780 weft and the weave of the world around you and if you are in tuned enough you can slightly affect

00:44:38.680 things around you um and there was an odd uh person in this order that was kind of i don't

00:44:47.040 know just acting strange and like following or we kind of got a very very strange feeling from this

00:44:52.380 person and he was basically like i'm i'm gonna tell them to leave and he spoke something under

00:45:00.520 his breath and he made the a symbol of the one of the runes and i couldn't quite see it

00:45:07.600 And surely enough, about 10 seconds later, this person kind of stops what they're doing and immediately goes towards the front door.

00:45:16.460 They didn't buy anything.

00:45:19.340 They just almost, I can't explain it, just walk straight out the door.

00:45:25.460 And I didn't see if he went to his car or whatever, but he never came back in.

00:45:28.620 And I was just, my jaw, like, dropped.

00:45:30.760 I was like, what did I just witness?

00:45:33.500 It was amazing.

00:45:36.600 So in lending to this, the understanding, I think, that he was trying to express to me is that the Leo is, again, your ability to harmonize with the runes, to link yourself through meditative practice, through Galdar practice, and through becoming very, very interconnected with your understanding of the runes, that you have somewhat of an ability to affect.

00:46:06.600 things around you. They're almost like a, um, a radius of effect in which you won't pull too

00:46:14.680 much in other strands of fate. And that's when, you know, you know, large, the, the farther reach

00:46:23.080 you have, the, the more catastrophic the movements can be, but in your, around you can begin to

00:46:30.520 change. I wish I could expound on that more, but that was about the only thing, but to be able to

00:46:38.100 say that I've witnessed it is true. I've witnessed it. I don't know what to make of it still, but it 0.69

00:46:42.880 was quite powerful. Bought us three coffees. You kids know what that means. I don't know. All I

00:46:58.440 know, as it's like a $25 for VNS and 25 for the Njortsov fund. And it's much appreciated.

00:47:09.040 Ronald is a consistent giver and has really done a lot of good with his donations. And we appreciate

00:47:19.680 it a lot. Thank you. So there's a lot of ways, and this kind of stems off of the commentary for

00:47:26.720 last uh the last spell but so you can carve runes you can galder runes

00:47:39.680 other people do runic yoga where they embody the shapes of runes in order to manifest things

00:47:49.760 another thing that you can do and one of the things that i love so much about

00:47:54.240 our our faith and our worldview there's always many many layers one of the most basic but most

00:48:05.620 effective is internalizing truths of the rooms and implementing those in a practical sense in

00:48:16.120 life with things i find it very apropos that this now these is the need room it

00:48:33.640 is often seen as negative because it's like desperate need or or a dire need for something

00:48:41.160 oftentimes folks have theorized that the symbology of it represents the need fire which is

00:48:48.440 the fire made by by friction um but i can think of nothing that bonds contentious warriors

00:48:58.520 together who want to fight amongst themselves than by them rallying to a common foe

00:49:06.280 um and that's the thing that has always stood out to me most in this stanza and its association with

00:49:14.640 now these is by giving them a common theme thing to fight against it bonds men it bonds warriors

00:49:22.960 and always has and we see that today from the playground all the way into adulthood

00:49:29.180 and and war and many things shared need and shared strife brings people that you know

00:49:38.300 would normally bicker amongst themselves together and unifies and i think that's a

00:49:42.640 really important truth of this uh this stanza um let's let's move on to the next one

00:49:51.020 so one five four a ninth i know if need there comes to shelter my ship on the flood

00:50:06.960 the wind i calm upon the waves and the sea i put to sleep

00:50:13.940 a couple of things about that one um

00:50:19.580 when we talk about the sheltering my ship on the flood um it in essence is preparation the removal

00:50:29.660 of the main mast and brought down so that it doesn't catch wind or break the mast a lot of

00:50:37.120 times they would pull down the main sail um and create a shelter from the sail in order to keep

00:50:46.080 the decks um especially if they had to hunker down and ride through a terrible storm

00:50:51.440 and so this is what is is being spoken of um you can see in other translations where the word flood

00:51:01.120 is is replaced with waters um but the sheltering part is i think the the part that throws some

00:51:09.600 people off um you know that the need of a shelter is what how it's it's spoken of um

00:51:20.320 and also to the birka uh it's one of the nordic words that we kind of get when we

00:51:26.800 speak of the word barge um is again a reference to the ship um

00:51:32.240 um on on the on the floor the float is the way or the flood but it's really again like a um what

00:51:42.720 would be a kenning for the ocean the sea so if you know if you need to set your shelter in the sea

00:51:48.560 if you need to uh hunker down um i know a runic or i know a power i know a song that i can speak

00:51:58.000 it out and that it will calm the waves and again this is kind of i had made mention of um like

00:52:06.480 the runes are kind of like i i view them as a religion within a religion i think there's a

00:52:11.440 again a hot take if you will that some people are trying to take in which they think

00:52:17.040 because magic is not our the understanding of magic is not truly

00:52:22.080 or fully clear when it comes to our ancestors usage of magic it's very scant and a lot of

00:52:30.820 people in the early times of runic magic were kind of pulling from other traditions or

00:52:37.980 understandings or trying to at least slightly fill in the gaps and um there's like a hot take

00:52:44.180 now where it's like no no no everything you know to do with the runes is not really at all

00:52:50.120 what it is because it's been influenced by so-and-so or or this uh way of thinking or

00:52:57.760 and generally you'll hear the onus thrown upon like left hand path um hermetic magic

00:53:04.040 and i think that a lot of that has its influence for sure but not enough to reach out to the point

00:53:13.040 where it's um like something you can level an accusation on is it's when they when we speak

00:53:20.080 about the the usage of um the runes for divinatory practice for carving or for bringing into

00:53:28.000 manifestation within ourselves or externally you can in essence look at almost any aryan branch of

00:53:35.280 either religion or magic that has an equivalency and so the uh that accusation i think has very

00:53:45.680 little bearing you know again i um some people speak of um uh the idea you know blessing or

00:53:54.720 hallowing or doing anything in directions um and they're saying oh you know the medics do this but

00:54:00.640 But it's like the Hermetics didn't make that up.

00:54:03.540 And that's also seen in lore elsewhere where, you know, Viking-esque Viking guy in the Adas holds his horn up in directions.

00:54:16.660 Or we speak of the dwarves that hold the sky and they are east, you know, south, west and north.

00:54:23.900 um you know there's an attempt to kind of block people or again dissolve things and i think it's

00:54:33.700 ultimately to then re-set things in a new way in order to say you know yeah we came up with this

00:54:42.100 so you got to be weary of a lot of that um but i think that one thing that's truly interesting

00:54:48.280 about this religion within our religion about runes runic runic ideals runic philosophy runic

00:54:55.100 magic um is the the concept of being able to change the world around you within the scope

00:55:05.040 of your will i think this is a very powerful tenant of our faith we can see this when people

00:55:13.340 talk about the king is the land they'll accept that completely the king is the land in essence

00:55:19.400 his might is woven into the people and the land nobody would bat an eye but the idea again of

00:55:26.620 someone being able to manifest their will their woad self if you will to a such a level that they

00:55:34.020 can affect the world around them at least in a small amount again because i'm i'm a believer

00:55:39.780 that you know the more you pull of the structures and struts you'll have effects elsewhere that you

00:55:44.420 might not even realize um and in this case you know i think that we're we are what we are talking

00:55:53.620 about is that the usage of the building blocks and the manifestations of of the universe to slightly

00:56:02.980 favor things around us um and some people could say no i don't you know i don't believe that or

00:56:11.220 i i think that these are symbolic songs or or what have you um or you know again i've the one

00:56:18.180 argument that i heard is no these are just actually the calendar runes for the runic calendar

00:56:23.860 and i'm not trying to downplay it's just that you'll find people kind of either find arguments

00:56:31.300 to logically extend these away flag on the play spawn is being too nice um i've got a i've got a

00:56:38.580 bad cop flex um here we go no there's a lot of people that have a lot of ideas that are just wrong

00:56:46.100 um yeah these are absolutely magical spells like i said stuff's multi-layered

00:56:53.060 but there are truths expressed in many ways our folk in all branches as swan said of our faith

00:57:03.400 have this interplay of magic in numerous forms and it's very much a sin it's an important part

00:57:16.280 of our religious practice the runes are absolutely religious and they're a gift to us

00:57:20.400 It's a teaching to us by our gods. It's part of, and we'll get to this when we go through the Rikstula, but it's part of the ennoblement and the raising up of our folk.

00:57:36.840 And you see the progression through time of, you know, the very simple and the lower on the scale of development folks don't need or aren't ready to utilize the runes.

00:57:52.300 But as our folk became more noble and advanced in their station, they were taught by Heimdallar the mysteries of these runes and the proper use of them and how to do them.

00:58:07.840 It was one of the noble arts, along with, I think, horseback riding and warfare and numerous things that he taught to Jarl and Kahn, I believe.

00:58:22.300 it's it's absolutely essential and it's fine you are you exalted priest of the ice here

00:58:30.940 you get to speak with authority you do not have to give way to any of the well actually let me

00:58:36.540 let me push my glasses up crowd please do not feel like you need to well one of the mysteries

00:58:42.700 i think in relation to this is diffusement if you place out before people multiple theories ideas

00:58:49.980 you create a strata that they have to work through and that again if it becomes something

00:58:57.640 i oftentimes if you find someone who's looking into into the runic studies and they settle on

00:59:03.060 an idea immediately and then that's it that's not the person that's going to get far the person

00:59:08.700 that's going to get far is the one that is consuming the ideas and going through that and

00:59:13.560 then through the threshold so i think sometimes like when a missile gets flack when you have a

00:59:19.200 missile going at something and then all of a sudden the flak comes out. The idea is to see

00:59:24.440 through the flak or to at least absorb it and then continue through. So I think a lot of times

00:59:30.120 what I am trying to do is lay down multiple pathways to kind of veer off those who might

00:59:39.460 want to just settle on the logic. Those people don't need to know the mysteries if they're just

00:59:44.720 willing to settle on it and it is out there and those that press and go deeper again flag on the

00:59:52.040 play their logic is not sound you don't have to be some kind of wizard and put on your you know

00:59:58.760 funny hat or your harry potter outfit in order to grasp the logic that these things exist in

01:00:08.900 other places we have a tendency to to do that with stuff the whole you know the nazis did it

01:00:15.760 the nazis did it on any possible thing nazis fed their babies breast milk so we can't do that

01:00:22.880 so does any other mammal in the history of the world they don't separate some of these things

01:00:29.360 um yes hermetics do certain things some things are commonalities that different branches of

01:00:40.760 humanity all do when they're doing things that have a certain amount of crossover

01:00:46.620 certain things are fundamentally Aryan but to deal with the directionality

01:00:51.400 sometimes different groups of people some we like and some we don't like

01:00:57.740 do the same sorts of things for the exact same sorts of purpose.

01:01:02.960 And logic factors those things in as opposed to jumps on one data point

01:01:10.560 and uses it, as I said earlier, to play gotcha with.

01:01:16.620 While we're here and while I've got, while I stole the floor from you,

01:01:21.560 um we got a couple of people who have been generous that i'd like to acknowledge

01:01:28.220 uh first uh alcy miller bought us three coffees nick says that that equals

01:01:39.300 five dollars per coffee and he says hail um thank you very much we really appreciate it thank you

01:01:47.420 also monk blew the victory horn which i'm told is a 50 donation that's awesome thank you monk

01:01:57.060 we really do appreciate it uh yeah that means a lot thank you

01:02:02.220 so one of the things about this again there's a lot of deeper ways to take it but i think that

01:02:11.380 we need to not neglect the simple for the complex all of them are relevant on the most basic level

01:02:20.380 the rune associated with this is isa the ice room now it's a rune about actual ice but it's also a

01:02:32.840 rune about uh stasis and stillness and i think it's again extremely relevant to uh to this

01:02:42.660 particular stanza and you know there there's all kind of ways you can take it or or whatever and

01:02:53.080 And a lot of them are right, but many of them are wrong.

01:02:57.100 But the sea going to sleep or going in a place of stillness and stasis is, I mean, when water does that, it's called ice.

01:03:18.240 I mean, I suppose there's a lot of other things about calmness.

01:03:23.080 But the most fundamental, you know, it literally stops the water from doing water stuff.

01:03:29.160 It stills things.

01:03:31.380 It has a moment of stillness, of quiet, of reprieve, of contemplation.

01:03:40.520 The Isa rune is one of being able to press pause on a lot of things.

01:03:51.460 What I was going to say earlier, and I kind of spaced it on the last one,

01:03:57.520 though when we say the word runes, we think of the stick drawings.

01:04:02.640 The most powerful experiences I've ever had with runes have been galler,

01:04:07.420 have been intentional galler towards a goal.

01:04:10.820 So I think that's extremely, extremely relevant.

01:04:14.240 And one of the runes that has been very beneficial to me in a lot of ways

01:04:19.020 business is this rune isa the focusing of the intent on this rune i have used a lot to

01:04:33.180 still my mind to bring myself back to center to pause and bring everything down take a breath

01:04:44.460 depth, focus, collect myself, collect my thoughts, and then proceed towards something.

01:04:53.420 And I found it extremely useful in my personal practice that way.

01:05:00.100 So don't, yeah, don't neglect the simple for the complex.

01:05:06.660 There's certainly value to both.

01:05:08.940 and i'm ready to proceed whenever you'd like to okay um again 155 we moved from isa into

01:05:22.860 the the rune in old in a younger futhark and the reason why i'm bringing that up in relation to

01:05:29.740 the armanin is that they still follow the same the armanin and the and the younger futhark

01:05:36.040 follow the same um up until the last two runes um so this rune is in in the younger is called

01:05:47.880 our and linguistically uh it can be seen that most people know it as the rune era if you drop

01:05:58.120 the j uh the word for for year in old norse was our the j was dropped and it was emphasized

01:06:07.320 at just the the uh the uh vowel sound but in english it stayed with year so yera or our are

01:06:18.600 very much they they are the same room but it's worth noting that again a lot of old norse drops

01:06:25.560 and we see this happen in in english a lot too with uh especially with the letter h kind of

01:06:30.760 being dropped off of words um and and the vowel sound is kind of picked up and added as this

01:06:37.400 emphasis and this is one of those cases so if you if you read the younger food dark and you see this

01:06:41.800 as a r and it's maybe missing some of the symbolage it's worth noting that it is an a with a dash over

01:06:48.280 it which makes the owl sound so it's our like hours but it means the year they just dropped the

01:06:58.120 y um and again another point of this that i think is really worth looking at is we have this these

01:07:06.600 conceptions of the runes as being specific ways and entailing with specific ideas but to see them

01:07:14.040 and usage and to see them and how they affect the world or that can affect in a way is outside of

01:07:20.520 what we are kind of consistently told you know and and we really get them from a divinatory sense

01:07:27.000 people will say like this rune means this because if you're trying to but when you're manifesting

01:07:33.960 its power it it gets interesting and i think these are truly beautiful about the way that they

01:07:40.200 open up and expand the horizons don't pigeonhole the room and this one in particular

01:07:48.280 a tenth i know what time i see house riders flying on high so can i work that wild

01:07:59.080 they go showing their true shapes hence to their homes

01:08:04.120 so this one's kind of a big one um first off the word that is used in old norse that he translates

01:08:15.220 to house riders will cause a lot of confusion the word in old norse is tune reader and tune reader

01:08:23.920 means hedge or fence rider not house i could kind of see where he's getting the idea of the house

01:08:37.820 because a lot of the the lore going into perhaps the night mare or the knocked mara and the the

01:08:48.360 spirits of ill, you know, sleep and home and how they can kind of plague your home. But I like the

01:08:55.280 concept of what the actual translation is. Toon Rither, I think, has significance. It means

01:09:01.640 the illful or ill beings that can move between the barriers of things. They can go from outer guard

01:09:10.920 to inner guard, and that's what truly makes them threatening. You'll often see it translated as

01:09:17.640 night hag uh as night witch there's a lot of different translations but it it there's never

01:09:25.280 mentioned of that the word is tunrider now the meaning behind it is again i think correct the

01:09:34.080 the placement on the night hag or night witch um is a fair assessment especially when you look at

01:09:40.960 the corpus of lore that the the uh the visage that is often associated with baleful

01:09:49.200 um spirits is that they are oftentimes called troll wives wolf riding women but they're often

01:09:58.320 seen as like like hags or not even quite almost like a mockery of femininity they're not feminine 0.98

01:10:08.020 they're not motherly they're not um you know of the of the true shapes in which we look at women

01:10:15.700 uh and think about them and everything that they bring to society and bring to the home 1.00

01:10:19.860 in essence they're kind of a mockery of it and they um take that shape i almost in a sense as

01:10:27.060 to mock it um because the deep sense that we have every person having a mother every person

01:10:35.540 having a connection to the feminine um in relation to our society and and the primogen of a woman

01:10:42.020 being a giving mother a caring mother that mockery just sends it even further down into which they

01:10:50.500 kind of again show themselves as being a dark reflection evil reflection of it and you see

01:10:57.060 people kind of glorify these these translations and you know try to point fingers saying oh you

01:11:04.420 know it's a patriarchal society that paints these uh you know they're women no they are not women 0.95

01:11:11.140 in actuality they're a mockery of women and that's why witch wives or troll wives um and that has 0.81

01:11:20.580 power especially into our ancestors then and to us now um hexanocht is a perfect example of a 0.97

01:11:29.540 holiday in which we have the women of our folk create charms and spell that bless the men and

01:11:39.780 generally you know it came from when they were blessing the folk before they went out to pasture

01:11:44.020 or when they went out to do business or war right around in the springtime they would go out walk

01:11:48.740 through sacred flames so that when they went outside they would into the outer guard to herd 1.00

01:11:55.860 the sheep heard the cattle or what have you the so the women and the feminine within would fight

01:12:02.500 against the the witchery the the kind of mockery on the outside and so i really like the idea of

01:12:10.660 the hedge rider the um the the thing that can come into the inner guard and is a mockery of

01:12:19.460 everything in the inner guard um what makes the inner guard good it hates and it will you know

01:12:26.580 you ride a horse it rides a wolf you know you you have you see a loving mother then it turns into a

01:12:33.540 you know a hideous um you know like bag lady if you will so speaking of and and take away 0.92

01:12:44.980 Anyway, one might be a troll wife if they use terms like the patriarchy. 0.54

01:12:53.880 So you find with a lot of our concepts, there's kind of a Leo Stav and Merck Stav version.

01:13:10.180 there's a righteously aligned version and a malignant version and you see that with a lot

01:13:19.140 of things like spawn was pointing out with you know the the spalcona or or women that are

01:13:26.540 useful and good and working in benefit of society and with the troll life or these you know spooky 0.96

01:13:34.160 witches out there trying to cause, you know, strife. You see a lot of these, again, a light

01:13:41.900 side and a dark side version of certain concepts between order and chaos, right and wrong, good

01:13:49.020 and evil. That said, I see a question over in the chat that I want to get to before we

01:13:57.960 move forward, because I detect a little bit of a, I don't know, an urgency in it, as John's

01:14:10.040 rune to, for redemption, or to get, you know, to get oneself right, and back in the fight,

01:14:17.280 what I would say, as my, you know, my initial response to that, and, you know, if, if I knew

01:14:23.380 more on the side or if you wanted to write an email maybe i could have a little bit more to

01:14:27.720 reflect on but with what you said i would suggest either rhido which is the rune of right action

01:14:34.560 the right sequence of events getting rightly aligned with with order or uh two oz with that

01:14:43.600 stable pillar of cosmic order of of right versus wrong order versus chaos stability and right

01:14:52.060 alignment i think both of those are good options i think that if you're going sequentially

01:15:01.740 you might want to first utilize isa as a stopping point a pause let's stop the bad action

01:15:10.620 let's reset and then one of the other two if not both of the other two that

01:15:14.940 but that would be my advice um spawn do you have impressions on that bob or on it well

01:15:25.660 yeah one i would say i think all of the rooms that you spoke of would be very good i i i think

01:15:31.500 so willow or um soul um the seagrune the victory rune i think the one of the other things too is

01:15:40.860 that rune definitely brings about the purging of darkness it brings about clarity um in order to

01:15:52.460 gain victory um you know seldom uh or uh oftentimes the the sun or the light will

01:16:00.380 purge the snakes and i think that can be taken externally or internally and so a great um

01:16:07.740 um, rune to, to pull forth to, I mean, or is, um, the soul willow run, the idea of being able to kind

01:16:17.780 of bring yourself back into the light and, and purging out some of the dark things that

01:16:25.320 need to be removed within oneself or finding a pathway to going over the hurdles that we often

01:16:34.940 place in front of ourselves all right well spawn if you would be so kind go ahead oh i just wanted

01:16:50.540 to bring a point too one thing that we didn't talk about or well i was it just hit me was again the

01:16:57.340 the rune uh yira or our in relation to getting rid of or forcing the hedge riders to take their true

01:17:09.420 shape so one of the things that i think um some people might not think about yira when they think

01:17:16.620 about your they think about cycles they think about harvest they think about good work bearing

01:17:21.020 forth great fruits and so on and so forth is that there is also an earth mite to yura and there is

01:17:27.820 a also a sense of expediting or removing um the illusion of something the idea of in essence

01:17:39.100 forcing the time of it to move forward so that it can only be its true self uh it's kind of like

01:17:48.620 forcing uh if a muscle it's forcing that muscle to strain harder so that it has to relax in a way

01:17:55.500 this this earth might that yira or our is speaking of is that there is a kind of timeliness to

01:18:03.900 grounding something that uses the ability to ride between the hedges it's it's it's an

01:18:08.940 an ill spirit and so forcing it to cycle itself through something that it thinks it has time on

01:18:17.180 and has an ability to create cunningness and mockery and evil and in an essence you you kind

01:18:23.100 of mire it down and force it to have to take its true shape and flee home something interesting

01:18:32.220 to think about in relation to uh you know yara or our having a lot to do with the season the year

01:18:39.420 and time of the year and of the earth and of the ground so kind of true aspect of that room

01:18:47.180 um okay sorry it's hopping back to check some of those comments because you

01:18:58.620 brought up that question um let's see so we're on um 156 yep

01:19:08.120 uh now you know we we move into um

01:19:14.200 uh sieg or soul um it's oftentimes so willow in the elder um an eleventh i know

01:19:27.980 needs i must lead to the fight my long loved friends i sing in the shields and in the

01:19:39.720 In strength they go, whole to the field to fight, whole from the field of fight, and whole they come thence home.

01:19:52.580 That's a super powerful, and I really love the way he writes it to kind of emphasize the point.

01:20:05.000 This one is just really well constructed in the way that it's translated.

01:20:12.040 But again, this is the rune that is spoken so that when going into battle, victory is attained.

01:20:24.860 The victory of the fight, from the fight, and home to celebrate.

01:20:31.740 this encompasses the sig rune the soul rune the soul willow rune the rune of victory

01:20:40.140 and i don't think there's i mean it's just perfectly encapsulated right there in the

01:20:44.780 in the verse this is the rune of the veritas um the tradition of

01:20:52.940 of singing or intoning or battle cry beneath shields um is an ancient one amongst our folk

01:21:02.940 it's commented on by um roman sources and others as you know being a terrifying sight when the

01:21:13.020 germanic tribesmen would go out and and chant their war cry beneath their shields

01:21:18.620 and i thought that was really i also really love how this is written here i think it's 0.70

01:21:25.980 extremely powerful i think it makes all the sense in the world so we will ruin is a victory rune

01:21:32.220 as fawn mentioned with his earlier advice it is also light conquering dark and the other thing is

01:21:40.860 it is ever you know ever victorious like it's it's the power of of the sun that solar might

01:21:55.820 is is unstoppable and i i think it's displayed here in a really really kind of cool way um

01:22:03.340 um hi obs uh that's so another point that i just kind of want to make in the midst here and it's

01:22:12.160 not specific to this i'm doing my show you want to say hi to people okay so what i wanted to say

01:22:20.620 was there's a lot of naysayers to meister von list or to his revelation about the armen and runes

01:22:31.480 or whatever that might be but when you look at their correlation to this runic poem and this is

01:22:39.080 the first you know instance that i'm aware of to where these runes were assigned to these songs

01:22:49.000 they fit far too good um for there not to be be truth there they fit too beautifully and too

01:22:58.680 perfectly to be random and if you see they're not randomized they're in a very precise order

01:23:06.680 and there's you know some change here and there uh like at the ending but

01:23:13.960 there's a clear intent and a clear divine guidance there and so you know whatever people's thoughts

01:23:23.560 or feelings might be some of these things are undeniable hate to the song in a very obvious way

01:23:30.600 and i would say that the deeper you look the more they are you know the more the ones that

01:23:36.920 you don't understand will reveal deep meaning to you with that i'm ready to go into the next one

01:23:44.360 if you'd like yeah i just wanted to make a point too that the arman and futhark was

01:23:49.960 is crucial in the studies of the of the runes um it's another reason why um i mean there are some

01:23:57.160 runes that you could say uh are you know in the angelo or in the younger but they're also in the

01:24:04.360 armanin but one clear addition to the folk futhark that is undeniable that you can see is is uh

01:24:13.240 gebu or gebo um and it is the gebo of the arman and it's you know it very it stands out um obviously

01:24:22.760 uh hail or hagel when we draw it on the folk futhark is the um you know x with the center

01:24:28.920 axis as opposed to the kind of slanted h um but that is also the case you know in the younger

01:24:36.120 and so on but um i you know it is the point of that the folk futhark was to get people to

01:24:44.580 do all the futharks and to go like i've never seen a guibo that way well if you haven't it

01:24:50.480 means you haven't seen the arman and you should go look that up you should go check that out so

01:24:54.740 it is highly influential um and worth and i think that's why we were paying homage to each

01:25:01.340 um futhark was with the intention of passing knowledge through paintings and writings

01:25:08.540 and works of art but also get people to kind of look into things

01:25:13.280 a last thing that i'd like to mention before and then we'll go into 157 but

01:25:19.460 um it's worth noting that

01:25:27.680 But the Armin and runes are what set this into motion that we're doing today in a lot of ways.

01:25:41.460 What laid that foundation at a time when magical usage of runes was not in fashion and not well known and not well studied.

01:25:53.940 And Maestro von Liss reawoken, or caused runic knowledge to be reawoken, to guide our folk.

01:26:10.240 And laying those foundations set a lot of very important things into motion that, you know, in many ways brought us where we are today.

01:26:19.040 And there's a power in that as well.

01:26:21.560 So, Swan, if you would read 157 for us, please.

01:26:28.520 157.

01:26:30.040 A twelfth I know, high on a tree, I see a hangman swing.

01:26:37.380 So do I write and color the runes, that forth he fares and he talks to me.

01:26:42.200 now this is one of my favorite ones because of how

01:26:50.320 cryptic and

01:26:53.620 odd i think it would it would be said um i have heard many theories on this about the idea of

01:27:04.960 resurrection or um the idea of what would be necromancy uh speaking to the dead um this one

01:27:15.820 is one of those that really plucks the imagination if you're into uh some of these things and i i

01:27:23.560 have i've seen people try to you know speak ill of lord olden um you know oh you worship a god that

01:27:31.760 does necromancy or or what have you and i i really kind of like laugh at the the childness of

01:27:39.040 of a lot of that um but this again speaking on the embarking of or um gaining wisdom

01:27:51.680 the word that's that's used is a mile which is to converse or to speak with um and in in you know

01:28:03.760 it says miler with me they converse with me um and so that that fourth he fares most likely means

01:28:13.360 that he can then again walk so so then again he can walk and speak with me and that is where i

01:28:24.880 think we're the the um pointing at resurrection as opposed to necromacy but either way truly an

01:28:34.720 interesting you know um uh point of the idea of being able to gain knowledge vision secrecy or an

01:28:46.080 understanding of something from someone who has passed the veil and what i really think this is

01:28:52.840 if we break it down is again attaining a part of the shape of the body that remains often after

01:28:59.420 death not just the body but the hammer or the humble and so this again is kind of the rune of

01:29:07.340 reading the hammer of someone um whether they are alive or dead but again interesting to contemplate

01:29:18.300 on yeah i think it's interesting and um got a question that is directly related uh or a couple

01:29:32.940 of them from finn wraith coming in uh who i appreciate he is up in the very very early

01:29:39.900 hours of the morning where he's at to participate um so

01:29:48.300 like i've said before there are

01:29:53.340 you know good versions of things and there are malignant versions of things

01:30:01.020 um ghoulish going around and like playing with dead bodies and you know zombies draugr and and

01:30:08.860 whatnot is spooky and bad stuff whereas communing with the ancestors is

01:30:21.260 it's

01:30:24.220 i mean reanimating dead flesh is a very very literal way of taking it not that that necessarily makes it

01:30:31.020 wrong or bad, but we see that approaching and interacting beyond the veil in near-death

01:30:40.620 experiences and shamanic journey. We see, you know, an approaching of that in Odin's

01:30:48.060 hanging himself from Yggdrasil to win the runes. We interact when we pray to our

01:31:00.700 ancestors and to our heroes and uh we we also do that with the with the venerable practice of

01:31:11.340 mound sitting where you go and commune in the in burial places to commune with with the honored

01:31:18.860 dead and to gain wisdom from those who've passed beyond the veil so to the question

01:31:25.500 excuse me is necromancy bad or wrong for us like it is for christians

01:31:33.680 um no not in that sense and again it depends the how the how and the why you do stuff makes a lot

01:31:42.480 of difference um it is some of the things fundamentally that make it wrong in christianity

01:31:51.060 is that you are to have no agency in and of yourself.

01:31:56.420 All of the things need to be attributed

01:31:59.000 and about the grace of their God that none might boast.

01:32:08.180 That's not relevant in our faith.

01:32:10.000 We want people to be effective and to be capable and to be worthwhile.

01:32:15.040 We want our gods to be proud of us

01:32:16.760 and respect our ability and our capabilities and our accomplishments.

01:32:21.060 So in that sense, it's not. And also, it's funny in Christianity, it's literally built around a undead version of Jesus where people go and put their fingers in his ribs where he got stabbed with the spear and play with the holes in his wrists or his hands, depending on what version you read, where he was crucified.

01:32:48.200 So playing around and reanimating dead bodies is well in keeping with archaic Christian tradition.

01:33:03.180 And then I guess the follow-up question also from Finn is, do you think necromancy is something that we can actually do?

01:33:10.760 in a sense of reanimating corpses you know i i hold my mind open that if you are a potent enough

01:33:19.960 magician there are any number of amazing and miraculous feats you might achieve um i would

01:33:27.760 put you know i think the odds of me witnessing that are extremely low

01:33:35.540 but uh i hesitate to say that any of these things are completely impossible some of that's you know

01:33:45.840 i feel that keeping your mind and your heart of and the possibilities is very important um

01:33:52.600 in the sense of communing with the dead and getting wisdom from them i think

01:33:57.540 it is it happens all of the time and is fundamental to our existence i certainly think that

01:34:05.380 that in a sense of of receiving messages in your dreams or through shamanic experience or through

01:34:12.980 near-death experience or through death death experiences there's people who you know due

01:34:18.180 to medical situations or whatever are clinically dead for a time and then return um but yeah swan

01:34:26.820 what are your thoughts on that well a couple things one the association of the rune and

01:34:33.300 consideration to this translation is the room tier um in uh yeah and the arman and it is tier

01:34:42.500 and one of the ways and things that i have always um

01:34:47.940 taken this as that the room tier allows you through and into the essence of or identify

01:34:56.340 the nature of something despite its what it may appear as so you see to the true nature and that's

01:35:04.340 why i kind of lent on the idea of seeing the hammer of a person whether alive or dead seeing

01:35:12.020 which they came up about um cutting through and reading them in that sense um because again

01:35:21.380 it is not often seen as something in a correlation to necromancy and i think a lot of that is what

01:35:26.580 we focus on but i think what is really being talked about here is the ability to see into

01:35:34.500 the nature of someone or something to its truest nature that it speaks again that it tells you as

01:35:42.580 it is um again uh i'm trying i was trying to think of just piggybacking on what you said

01:35:51.300 well what's the quote um anybody who who uh discounts anything outside of their own experience

01:35:58.980 is a sure mark of a fool those are wise words um you know i i don't discount the ability and i

01:36:09.300 think that the viewing or understanding of these things is a little different than perhaps semitic 0.97

01:36:15.460 religions and their um concepts um when we're talking about uh you know even though the concept

01:36:28.020 of it in the medieval ages and what have you necromancy the idea of of you know conjuring

01:36:36.420 ghosts or conjuring spirits and speaking to them and gaining i i think this has a different sense

01:36:42.500 we're talking about the physical body and so that lends me even more to the idea of being able to see

01:36:52.820 through and into the history story and weird of all that is so that they tell you again i i was

01:37:01.460 just looking up very quickly um the translation for a hanged man

01:37:16.020 so the word the oppi oppi valva virgilna now vir has to do with wire or rope so i'm trying i was

01:37:28.900 quickly trying to look into the word gill or sorry it's gill now virgil now so you know it's it's

01:37:35.940 um in 157 in the old norse it says that can act at torta i know a 12th

01:37:46.500 if i see in a tree opi valve virgil now and that's where i was looking for the translation as to

01:37:56.580 what that might be um because again the translations get very very interesting and i i

01:38:04.100 i was zeroing in i found of course via to be wire or rope and i was just about to hone in on guild

01:38:11.540 gill now in order to find that um but the the the next uh svao a christ christ is to carve or to cut

01:38:20.420 But, you know, if I see up in the tree and I'm, like I said, zeroing in on Virgil now, 0.59

01:38:32.680 but the idea of like a hanging, because right off the top of my head, I can't think of what

01:38:40.900 gill now uh is um you know that if i if i write the runes um and and color them or give them

01:38:50.780 a splashing of color at south ganga go me and i kind of covered that he will walk uh again or

01:38:58.420 speak with me um so the key in that i think is the very gill now to give us a bit of an

01:39:07.220 understanding um towards it and that's what i was looking at but i have always taken this

01:39:15.380 to talk about the true nature i find the tear rune is the rune that cuts through all obfuscation

01:39:25.300 or mystery or perhaps again even the situation of death or life or silence or blindness

01:39:36.660 tia is the rune that allows you to see through all conditions towards the true nature of thing

01:39:42.740 or the way something has happened oftentimes i think that's why people overly emphasize the

01:39:50.100 usage of the tia rune in relation to like judgments or legalities but i don't think that's

01:39:58.660 it's just that the need and wanting for clarity is there but outside of that there's more to it

01:40:04.500 the ability to cut through um the layers or even death all right let's uh move to 158.

01:40:17.220 okay um let me see here just getting to one spot okay a 13th i know if a thing

01:40:29.460 full young with water i sprinkle well he shall not fall now he fares mid the host nor sink beneath

01:40:40.860 the swords this is clearly a blessing for vitality and victory in battle um i think it's also a

01:40:51.480 really great indication of our understanding of us spurgements i think oftentimes people will try

01:40:58.320 to level the idea that we are copying christianity i think most people know that christianity copies

01:41:07.120 a lot and so that it's reversed but if we're talking about a glimpse into the insular sense

01:41:16.160 of it the sprinkling of water the sprinkling of an aspergement as a blessing is not christianity

01:41:27.680 alone that our ancestors have a long standing tradition of sprinkling water over babies

01:41:35.040 and sprinkling water over warriors um so in this sense uh the thane the warrior uh even though he

01:41:47.520 is young and he says full young he's speaking of an inexperienced warrior a 13th i know that if if

01:41:55.120 a inexperienced water or inexperienced uh warrior goes i will spring water and he shall not fall

01:42:01.600 even though he fares mid the host again the host um the usage of the word is folk

01:42:09.120 but i think this is a kenning for battle the throng of armies um uh

01:42:16.800 Uh, and in the, in the, um, in the translation, you know, um, he says that, you know, Han

01:42:26.860 I folk call me is that he, even though he goes amongst the people, the reference that

01:42:34.180 follows it about battle and sinking beneath, um, you know, the, the, the swords going of

01:42:43.140 battle is i think again so the thane going into the army or going into the the host as he says

01:42:51.760 in the battle and and taking covered by the ways of battle is again a lending towards

01:43:00.060 blessing by aspergment and this rune of course is the uh lagus or um

01:43:08.640 or excuse me not lagus berkano berkano uh in the younger futhark it's bjarkan um and in

01:43:19.520 the armanin is barn i believe i think it's just bar bar sorry i would say i think a bern as a baby

01:43:29.040 i know uh but it's bar and again that this lends to this rune is often associated with protection

01:43:36.480 This rune is often associated with encapsulation with, again, just the blessing of being absolved of, you know, aggression, violence, or things towards you.

01:43:56.880 It seems to have the ability to assuage that almost to the point where you're not, you're not seen or you can't be targeted or you kind of, you miss or you become invisible.

01:44:11.020 That power there ends up protecting you.

01:44:19.880 All right.

01:44:20.740 um yeah the the important thing to note um in the and you said this but just to dial down in case

01:44:32.920 anybody listening is is not sure what we're referring to the uh christian baptismal rites

01:44:42.460 that get kind of separated there's the christening where you do a do a naming ritual and there's a

01:44:48.080 sprinkling of water that's very much a post biblical practice and it uh it very much mimics

01:44:58.260 our sprinkling of water to to name a baby there's kind of an an overlap because there's

01:45:06.160 at different times in european christianity the rite of baptism looks more or less like

01:45:15.220 a sprinkling goes to a full immersion but full immersion was how um the original christians did

01:45:22.100 it that's the way it's described in their bible is the complete submersion beneath the waves and

01:45:28.460 being reborn um into a life with christ or however they want to put it so it's it's very much our

01:45:38.980 practice despite what anybody might say um again a lot of these things require looking a little bit

01:45:45.780 deeper into um next uh next section is interesting and i'm curious on some translation

01:45:55.620 thoughts you might have on it but if you could take us through 159

01:45:59.460 A fourteenth I know

01:46:03.940 If fain I would name

01:46:06.780 To men the mighty gods

01:46:09.820 All know I well of the gods and elves 0.98

01:46:14.460 Few be the fools know this 0.97

01:46:18.000 Again, this is 0.99

01:46:23.780 This is interesting

01:46:27.820 um i'm i'm reading the old norse now um

01:46:34.380 see this is interesting because it's that doesn't

01:46:55.500 translate

01:46:58.300 like correctly

01:47:00.760 if you will

01:47:02.140 it works I mean it is what's

01:47:05.100 been agreed upon by

01:47:06.980 yeah

01:47:08.400 and this

01:47:11.340 is

01:47:12.720 specifically

01:47:16.320 and I'll send the link here to Nick

01:47:19.020 and he can send it

01:47:20.360 in the

01:47:23.060 in the chat

01:47:24.200 but there's a there's web page that does it's got

01:47:32.180 seven um translations of the have them all all together on each of these verses with the original

01:47:45.540 norse which is pretty cool and it you can really pick up on some of the the points of commonality

01:47:51.880 On that, you know, all seven

01:47:53.880 Translated, you know

01:47:56.020 Fundamentally very much

01:47:57.820 The same

01:47:58.400 And

01:48:01.480 Speaking of songs

01:48:03.640 It says that

01:48:05.340 If I have to speak of

01:48:07.740 Or say

01:48:09.320 The litany of

01:48:11.760 Or the song of

01:48:14.160 The gods

01:48:15.800 And the elves

01:48:16.640 I can say it

01:48:18.900 Few have that

01:48:22.520 ability

01:48:28.680 so this in relation to the rune uh is um man or no is it love love love love okay um

01:48:45.240 um yes and logos in um in or uh logger lore in the um younger futhark uh lore in

01:49:00.280 in relation when we speak of this like it says here that that uh the lady the cell the telling

01:49:07.480 if i must tell the the litany and the power of the speak of the gods and the elves i can and few know

01:49:15.640 how to um the wisdom i think this is absolutely kind of delving into the power of uh logger in

01:49:26.760 relation to the wells the the delving deep into the lore of something or knowing the history and

01:49:36.200 And the reason why the mead of poetry is mead, the reason why Mimir's well is a wellspring, Earth's well is a wellspring, Verjelmer is a wellspring, is because of the depth and the scope in which the liquid is kind of symbolic to.

01:49:56.200 and so in this case we're speaking of the ability or knowing or being able to recall or being able

01:50:03.520 to look into and see deeply into the entirety and the lore of the gods the entirety and the

01:50:10.660 lore of the alva the alva or elva or alfar or the elves um it's that tapping into the ancient

01:50:21.960 and the far back and you can see this because a lot of people kind of correlate lagus in a modern

01:50:27.420 sense towards the unconscious or the subconscious um the perhaps even to the folk conscious or the

01:50:37.080 uh union you know um kind of shared consciousness um and i think that still stands it's the idea

01:50:46.340 of being able to kind of delve back deep into that water um or go deeper into the dark waters of

01:50:53.760 of um kind of again an ancestral memory an ancestral blood um the wellspring of knowledge

01:51:02.720 that is is always kind of seen in relation to water and so knowing deep knowing far on

01:51:10.620 the uh you know the scope and understanding or seeing deep into the horn or seeing deep into the

01:51:18.180 into the waters of the well um all correlate to being able to go back and go deep into and

01:51:26.080 understand the missing or the the great lore of the gods and of the elves and few people have

01:51:34.780 that skill. And again, I would say that this rune is the key component to going back on those

01:51:42.220 pathways. This is definitely a meditative rune. And a lot of people don't always associate it

01:51:48.840 strictly with that. They have a hard time. Sometimes they'll denot it as travel, travel by

01:51:55.400 water some means but i think ultimately this is the the blood the water of the self and

01:52:04.520 that this rune is the rune that calls one to look back into the depths of their understanding of the

01:52:11.560 gods their understanding of the elves the understanding of just our lore as it does come

01:52:16.920 from and worth considering too kvasir is made of the liquid of the gods he's made from the the

01:52:26.040 spittle creates kvasir and crosser is the first storyteller who holds all that lore again another

01:52:33.800 liquid kind of um reference because the usage of fluid in relation to us transferring knowledge

01:52:41.560 whether it's the skein of water the skein of the well skein of the wave or the the loading of the

01:52:47.240 goblet or loading of the horn or loading of the bowl is always done through liquid

01:52:54.280 yeah absolutely everything's fun just said i agree 110 percent i think kind of an interesting

01:53:00.600 anecdote and it was advice given to someone there was a phase um back in the early days of

01:53:08.280 also true where um we had a lot of people being pretendians a lot of people um and this may not

01:53:20.040 make sense to our international audience but here in the united states we had a lot of people that

01:53:25.320 rejected christianity and wanted to find something i don't know something more authentic

01:53:31.400 the only context they initially felt to do that was to try to

01:53:41.080 either full-on pretend they were native american by some you know imagined cherokee princess ancestor

01:53:51.160 or try to be somehow co-opted into that by attending native american ceremonies and

01:54:01.400 quite a bit of authentic native american ceremonies are folkish they are just for

01:54:08.600 folks of their tribe or certainly of their their nation people and you know the advice given to

01:54:15.720 this guy when he wanted you know he wanted to go for the the showy tourist part but then he wanted

01:54:20.760 to say for the serious religious part and you know the one of the one of the the native american

01:54:29.400 gentleman leading things you know he told him no you must drink from your own will and uh

01:54:37.240 i think that was sound advice and it was interesting that it came with that same imagery

01:54:44.840 sorry

01:54:49.400 was that not how it occurred i have to imagine it was um but yeah

01:54:56.040 so that said let's proceed to 160.

01:55:05.160 so 160 is interesting again because of a translational point and our loss of um

01:55:16.360 some of the of the story there's another interesting part

01:55:19.320 perhaps it's a spelling error but i'll go into that so 160 a 15th i know that before the doors

01:55:33.640 of deling sang fjordor the dwarf might he sang for the gods and glory of the elves and wisdom

01:55:43.880 of hrop the tears wise so right out the gate one of the things that's worth noting is and

01:55:53.800 or sorry is that the story that is being referenced here is lost

01:56:02.040 we don't have any cross

01:56:03.960 literature written down that could pinpoint, you know, Fyodor's song to Delingur.

01:56:15.840 But it is worth noting, Delingur is, again, one of the heavenly wardens, the gods. He is kind of

01:56:24.340 a keeper of the skein in between the mid and the above. 0.89

01:56:31.100 And, you know, we speak often of Dellingers' eights,

01:56:35.620 especially around this time of year, in relation to Ostara.

01:56:39.300 I know that a lot of folks don't, I even saw a conversation

01:56:42.540 about where they were trying to link Ostara to Freyja,

01:56:45.920 or, you know, kind of pigeonholing the gods into ways

01:56:51.420 that make sense for them without ever considering the gods themselves um but in austral folk

01:56:58.280 assembly we honor austra as austra and we honor freya or any other goddess that somebody might

01:57:03.900 try to jam her into i know some other people were trying to say that the goddess not or night

01:57:10.980 is austra of the english um but instead what we have done is simply taken her understanding as an

01:57:19.280 arian goddess in all arian branches um and just given her that you know place name in anglo-saxon

01:57:28.400 um sometimes using old norse for for the sounding of the name um east but uh the gates

01:57:40.080 are the gates of the sky in particular the eastern gate the gates are referenced about

01:57:47.920 the idea that light and warmth and the skein of the sun comes through the eastern gate of

01:57:54.300 Dellinger's Hall. And that is worth noting and looking into and why in the hierarchy of the

01:58:04.580 gods, you know, he is placed as one of the wardens. And so this story talks about a dwarf going to the

01:58:13.480 eastern gate, or the rising sun, I think is what this is really alluding to. Going to the eastern

01:58:19.560 gate, going to the place in which the sun rises. And what does the sun do to Dvergar in all of our

01:58:31.160 lore is that they turn them to stone. So, and it's also worth noting the name of this dwarf is

01:58:40.440 uh theodrorir and this is a play or a combo word that means people or tribe or group and

01:58:51.320 orrorir is inspirer so this is a name certainly for a poet or a scald or a singer of songs

01:59:01.400 and i think that this is alluding to a story that we've lost in which

01:59:05.640 a dwarf knowing and having this great power sings to the east sings to the light and either perhaps

01:59:15.020 staves off the curse of being turned to stone or despite being turned to stone sings the songs

01:59:23.260 um and i we don't know um if anybody ever has any sort of stuff i would love to look at it

01:59:32.540 because I've looked.

01:59:33.900 But there's another part of here too

01:59:35.600 where in the translations it says

01:59:37.980 Hikju Hroftauti

01:59:41.900 in Old Norse, but it's translated as Hroftatir.

01:59:46.840 And now I've never noticed this spelling,

01:59:50.520 Hroftauti, Tati.

01:59:53.180 And now I'm beginning to wonder

01:59:54.580 if there's a misspelling based on the website,

01:59:58.600 the translational misspelling,

02:00:00.120 because it's not.

02:00:02.540 hraptatir um and hraptatir is lord odin um but

02:00:14.380 is either misspelling or a different word and i think that's very interesting that i would like

02:00:19.900 to look up but i have a tendency to go that and i if it is a misspelling perhaps on that website's

02:00:29.580 part that would make perfect sense is an established heighty of lord odin that's used in other um poems

02:00:40.700 um so i think that's that's truly interesting i was just looking it up as we were shifting to this

02:00:47.900 verse so the association that the the um of the rune with this and again i think it's truly

02:00:57.260 interesting is the rune man now in old or in uh the younger futhark it is mother and what the rune

02:01:11.980 practitioners of the age did is they took the double legged runes out and there are rune stones

02:01:19.740 that show both elder and younger at the same time they may have done this for ease uh they may have

02:01:26.780 have done this because they felt that the symbol better fit a a human a man the symbol is the the

02:01:33.960 life rune or the um just a straight vertical axis with two lifting arms um but i again find it

02:01:43.660 interesting the word theo people or tribe or folk is another it's another word to be used

02:01:50.900 that's often kind of synonymous with those things um so the the the mystery of it being the dwarf

02:02:00.440 um i i i don't know because the word is clearly there dverker dverker is a is a a dwarf or a

02:02:12.260 and um i don't know that just i wonder and i it kills me that the story of this but again

02:02:30.420 the lore and the understanding of the songs the ability for the room to manifest your

02:02:38.900 ability to recite or your ability to to hold it's not just the understanding of the runes like in

02:02:46.460 the verse before where you go back and you can kind of encapsulate and gain and absorb but now

02:02:52.640 is to speak to the sun speak to the the eastern rising gates um the story and i think it's again

02:03:01.180 is that you're despite or in lieu of being turned to stuff.

02:03:05.880 And I think that this is the rune about being able to speak

02:03:12.800 and know the lore and stand and make decree before odds

02:03:19.360 that are often against us in order to build that variety,

02:03:26.900 that build that power is, again, the ability to speak it, to inspire the people.

02:03:34.640 But this one is very, very, very mysterious in its structure.

02:03:41.880 The only thing I really have to add is that this is...

02:03:47.900 This has always been a rune, certainly in modern Ausitru, of worship.

02:03:57.600 It has been a rune of reaching out, arms stretched, towards the divine, reaching out towards the gods.

02:04:09.520 It's been the traditional stance of worship in modern Ausitru.

02:04:15.700 um people talk about you know the algae's pose it's also very specifically the stance one takes

02:04:27.060 when you do any kind of greeting of the dawn when you face delinger's gate and welcome the dawn

02:04:36.020 you stand in this algae's posture and i think that's a i think that's a special point of

02:04:43.740 connection that we flip the page we go to 161 and the end of this study is in

02:04:55.020 sight yeah and I was gonna just briefly mention what you just said too is I

02:05:00.060 think that that wasn't lost on on our the audience that was being you know

02:05:05.500 spoken to of the of the poem is that symbol that positioning of this inspire

02:05:12.360 of the people this vergar which really kind of sticks out as being a little odd but standing in

02:05:18.200 the algaes facing the eastern sun and i i've always wanted to find and know did he get turned to stone

02:05:25.560 like i've always wanted to know but again yes the ability to speak and manifest and

02:05:34.360 face against odds in essence speak the truth know the truth and praise the gods despite the

02:05:42.360 adversity or the inevitable. Um, and it either shows your worth or perhaps

02:05:50.040 avert you from turning to stone. I don't know. It's something I've always wanted to know.

02:05:59.060 All right. Uh, one 61, uh, a 16th. I know if I seek delight to win from a maiden wise

02:06:11.280 The mind I turn of the white-armed maiden 0.82

02:06:16.220 And thus change all her thoughts 0.70

02:06:20.000 Again, in correlation to the Armanin

02:06:30.660 Or the Younger

02:06:33.160 Because this is the last rune of the Younger Futhark

02:06:37.460 This is, of course, Gibor

02:06:40.940 Or no, excuse me. Are we on? I'm sorry, I got my numbers mixed up. Yes, this would be ir, correct?

02:06:58.140 yes yes ear okay so and this is the same in the in the uh younger futhark uh the the word

02:07:09.380 you or you tree um again the emphasis of the eu like sound um also in anglo-saxon it was eo

02:07:19.180 um and then in the in the um younger futark is ear this kind of double e sound uh and

02:07:27.180 emphasized in the armanin as ear ear uh meaning the yew tree now i find this terribly interesting

02:07:36.340 where i've always kind of pondered this and don't have the full conclusion or understanding of

02:07:42.820 this relation to um love and of um again kind of turning them turning and making of in relation to

02:07:57.840 the rune ear because the rune ear and the younger futarch has a kind of a much more um

02:08:05.120 actually this is interesting perhaps it's talking about focus because the rune in the younger

02:08:13.200 futhark has a lot to do with attainment and making the mark perhaps this is about controlling focus

02:08:20.000 whereas a lot of times the ear rune is brought about with the idea of one's own focus and

02:08:27.460 ability to attain. This is, in another sense, changing the focus of someone else, controlling

02:08:35.100 it, if you will, bringing you into the center, you know, 007 scope site, if you will, with a desired

02:08:47.600 effect. The desired effect is to be seen. Hmm. So the focus of oneself and the focus of others

02:09:04.320 and the ability to be able to control it and then make oneself the target, if you will, is interesting.

02:09:17.600 i'm looking at some of this uh translation here

02:09:28.080 see and then get out or gaman joy of which is not mentioned

02:09:41.600 in the bellows translation i think there's i think there's something to this as well um with

02:09:52.460 travel up and down

02:09:56.580 the axis as it were up and down isn't necessarily good or bad as long as it's right ordered but um

02:10:11.600 and this may be i don't know i hope this makes sense the way that i'm putting it

02:10:18.680 the idea of this iconographically is with the idea of death and reaching down

02:10:28.320 whereas the other one is the life rune and leech and reaching upwards towards the divine

02:10:35.220 or towards the astral towards the higher self the higher consciousness

02:10:43.140 this rune i i don't think this rune is primarily about love i think this room is primarily about

02:10:51.140 sex that being said the idea of delving down into the chthonic or the more uh

02:11:01.460 primal centers makes sense. The idea of reaching down into the roots, if you follow chakras and

02:11:16.060 things that way, the lower cauldrons is where that sexual reproductive energy comes from and

02:11:25.580 is is housed and i also think you know when you look at just and this may be a coincidence but i

02:11:33.020 it comes to mind is that death um was archaically often kind of a kinning for

02:11:42.460 um orgasmic release and i think that's

02:11:48.860 i think that's relevant to to this rune as it relates to this passage certainly

02:11:55.580 I was just double-checking some things. One interesting thing I just realized was the

02:12:11.820 elk sedge or the algae in the Anglo-Saxon and Elder Futhark is, of course, with the

02:12:18.840 z ending which was very prominent in um you know the early foundations of germanic and that this

02:12:25.720 one even though it's ir the r was the emphasis so this is an ending rune so like uh you know um

02:12:33.320 if it was like heimir this rune would be used to emphasize the r and not the

02:12:38.920 um in old norse or in um but i was just i was attempting to find that correlation

02:12:49.540 um but it eludes me perhaps for good reason i did um

02:12:56.720 this uh another interesting point of this verse

02:13:01.500 feet army is white armed it's linked it's white an arm it's clear as day feet army white armed

02:13:14.740 woman i think it's we've talked about that before about the beauty standards that were placed upon

02:13:20.520 um uh you know men and women in our elder times and what you know was seen as attractive and one

02:13:28.600 of this was the white woman the gleaming it's even mentioned in Frey's story to Gerda that her 0.81

02:13:36.000 her arms shine bright and this is again the sulliness of a you know

02:13:42.780 the the darkness of a of a a person who's out in the sun all the time versus someone who has this

02:13:54.120 fair and soft and creamy and was seen as um you know just a an absolute beauty trait that our

02:14:02.240 ancestors um throw out quite often so um i find that very very interesting and and pretty pretty

02:14:13.180 cool um again i would like to go more into thinking about this as far as the focus of um

02:14:22.520 an attainment of or converting someone's focus making yourself the target if you will and thus

02:14:30.000 changing all our thoughts to you um in 162

02:14:35.220 we have a mentioning back to lord fafmir so this is where it kind of it's funny because it's not

02:14:44.840 the end and it's not like a capstone on the other side or um but it kind of slaps you back into

02:14:51.780 the overall mode of what's going on uh 162 is a 17th i know

02:14:59.880 so that seldom shall go a maiden young for me long these songs thou shalt load fafnir

02:15:10.160 seek in vain to sing yet good it were if thou might mightest get them well if thou wouldst learn

02:15:19.640 them help if thou hast them so this is kind of an interesting one because

02:15:30.520 it's not quite stating the power it's stating the desire or understanding of the power

02:15:40.320 it's just it's stating the the usage of the power but it's not quite stating the power and i've

02:15:47.700 always found that to be frustrating um you know a seventeenth i know that um

02:15:54.820 seldom shall go a maiden young for me long these songs thou shalt load fafner and then it speaks

02:16:02.020 again so it's it and the translations in old norse don't quite help um

02:16:12.180 Um, and I've always taken this, this is in relation to, um, the, uh, eh rune.

02:16:23.060 So the eh rune, uh, the placement of this, the eh rune in Armanen is the same as the

02:16:31.240 Our rune in the younger Futhark, the kind of a reverse or mirrored Nauthys, though there are also the one-legged symbol that's used in the Armanin.

02:16:50.380 um but looking at this rune this is because it kind of conflicts with others when we start to

02:16:58.880 look at say the younger futhark um and we look at the the um the rune hour again it has reference to

02:17:08.000 um the year and planting um if you look at the runic calendar uh runes the 17th rune is

02:17:19.540 the lagos and our and it is called orla or our law the the water of the year or water of the dawn

02:17:28.180 whichever way you might look at it but it's interesting that both the runic calendar and the um

02:17:36.100 arman and and the younger futhark have correlations in these um these runes even though we're now

02:17:42.980 past the 16 mark on the younger futhark um it doesn't speak of the the power itself other than

02:17:53.700 um you know of a young maiden and i was looking at um

02:18:01.620 you know the some of the notes that people had placed on this uh long these songs thou

02:18:07.460 Thou shalt Lodfofner seek in vain to sing, yet good it were if thou mightiest get them.

02:18:15.300 Oh, people are speaking of that the lines are lost.

02:18:19.520 People have added them.

02:18:21.840 I don't know if this is based on speculation, but I'll fill in the blanks based off of what somebody else has added.

02:18:29.640 But according to.

02:18:37.460 she hardly will leave me for another man's love

02:18:56.100 in this lore lord fafner be unversed forever or yi thy will wear it and with wisdom

02:19:07.260 thine tis helpful if heated tis needful if known and this is um let me see real quick this

02:19:14.700 translation is hollander so hollander places in the lines but bellows and thorpe have the lines

02:19:24.380 removed and i just wanted to see briefly the um the cliff notes on one of these that i was looking at

02:19:34.460 um some editors have combined these two lines with stanza 163 others have assumed that the gap

02:19:42.220 follows the half line making it so that from me the end of the stanza

02:19:51.260 and again interpolation this stanza is almost certainly an interpolation and seems to have

02:19:56.460 been introduced after the list of charms and that low of load fafner's mall were combined

02:20:04.460 To make the single poem, and that, in essence, was added to encapsulate all of them, for there is no other apparent excuse for the reference to Lodfafnir at this point during the poem.

02:20:20.240 So, I find that, let me see, really interesting.

02:20:33.920 So, if we're looking at this, I think the biggest point to understand is if they're talking about interpolation,

02:20:44.300 I mean, it was written, but it seems to have been, again, brought in to encapsulate and connect the poems.

02:20:52.620 And I wonder if the usage of the part where it says,

02:21:00.540 Long these songs thou shalt lodfafner seek in vain to sing, yet good it were.

02:21:07.360 I wonder if the usage of the word lioda, the song, is the reason why it was brought down here.

02:21:15.080 But then if we add the missing marks of what they are.

02:21:26.820 Let me see, I'm trying to scan everything that I'm going through here.

02:21:33.860 Then we speak of, let me, I'm trying to find the source of the 17th.

02:21:37.680 know if a slender maid's love i have and hold to her thus i sing to her and that she hardly

02:21:42.800 will leave me for another man's love this again correlates to the rune in the armanin

02:21:53.760 as

02:21:54.000 as a holding fast and steadfastness to love.

02:22:13.300 Let me see one thing.

02:22:16.840 I just now realized, too, because we don't have the Disney versions of ourselves anymore,

02:22:21.260 that i am uh holding the fort alone and i am all over the place so i can't read your chats

02:22:29.900 if you're chatting right now or asking me questions um and i will get to that in just one second

02:22:40.460 um i'm pulling up something i just didn't even think i would need but perhaps that's not the case

02:22:51.260 Uh, uh, okay. Of course. Um, here we go. Let's see. Do you, uh, Azirco, do you have the, um,

02:23:17.980 Armanin

02:23:21.840 Yeah, what's up?

02:23:26.480 For the rune

02:23:28.800 Eh

02:23:31.040 Again, he takes the sound from the 1.00

02:23:36.040 elder Futhark 0.99

02:23:37.480 He takes the eh from 1.00

02:23:39.760 Ehwos 1.00

02:23:40.600 Again, it's the 0.88

02:23:44.120 horse rune

02:23:45.400 Ehwos, Ehwos

02:23:47.540 or equos is what it was eventually turned to in the latin language is the rune of the horse and

02:23:53.780 he uses the symbol our from the younger futhark um being slightly different than the hour of that

02:24:04.740 he has later on in the in the futhark and i am focusing more on again the the horse and the

02:24:11.720 rider and the idea of the loyalty to beings um and again kind of the usage of this one especially

02:24:23.280 in relation to the to the poem in the verse is that it's being said that you will turn the mind

02:24:29.320 of the woman to me and could never be taken from from from me to someone else and i'm wondering if

02:24:38.380 this is of course in correlation with the idea of the unification seeing the uh this comparison

02:24:44.800 was often used a lot if if a man was to ride a horse or if a woman was to ride a horse there

02:24:49.900 is a union between them that involved this kind of kind of bond or teamwork between them and so a lot

02:24:56.260 of times in comparison to romance and love and a strong relationship there's always this kind of

02:25:01.960 paralleling to it your relationship is like a horse and a rider or a rider upon a horse is

02:25:09.040 that usage of the ability to be able to communicate and guide each other and help

02:25:16.280 each other was seen as a positive thing in relation to uh relationships so looking at this

02:25:26.420 rune um and seeing the eh sound and then of course the rune in the runatal of the havamal

02:25:38.420 i'm seeing this about as a a rune of joint jointness or connectiveness um and its usage

02:25:45.460 um

02:25:52.180 i don't know if you have uh another take in this with the armada so

02:26:01.380 um okay so i

02:26:02.980 i'm trying to think of the way to the way to put this and i think this this comes in and in

02:26:18.180 some interpretations of i'm sorry sorry i was gonna yeah a pair is bound in primal law

02:26:26.820 yeah so and the duality of the horse even so i think that spawn is absolutely correct but i think

02:26:35.700 that there is i think that okay so i think that there is a you know some additional meaning there

02:26:46.500 um whereas we see in perhaps the next one um a little bit different iconographically

02:26:56.740 absolutely there is a profound relationship between a horse and rider um and a partnership

02:27:06.180 in many ways there's another layer to it as well um and that's bringing

02:27:15.540 the woman that is wild and untamed taming her to your will and you know forging a successful

02:27:26.600 relationship with where she will follow where you lead and and and go with you and uh so i just think

02:27:37.320 there's there's a bit more to it than just you know some kind of an equal an equal partnership

02:27:44.920 like you may have with uh you know a warrior friend of yours this is also about

02:27:51.880 magically bringing a woman under your persuasion to to um

02:28:03.000 because i and i'm hemming and hawing not to be pc but because i don't want to give the wrong

02:28:08.200 implication to the term um but to bring a woman under your under your guidance and under your

02:28:16.840 your your right hands if you will towards towards things and i think that that

02:28:24.600 the unity of horse and rider is really interestingly seen in a marriage or relationship where

02:28:33.320 things are things are ordered in a natural natural way and and a man is ahead of his

02:28:42.280 how some things function that way whereas you see when you see competition and you see like

02:28:48.520 the 90s sitcom family where you know the the mom is disparaging of the dad and there's like

02:28:57.160 you know a competition and obnoxiousness back and forth there's dysfunction there and that's not the

02:29:05.640 uh that's not the ideal of the of the rider on the horse the rider on the horse the horse goes

02:29:14.280 with there's trust there and i think that's maybe one of the biggest things it's bringing

02:29:22.200 when you refer to the horse and rider in terms of a relationship and in a cosmic order way the idea

02:29:28.760 is very much the trustful following of the lead of of the man in that way when it's structured

02:29:37.080 appropriately and so i think that's kind of a fundamental about this because remember the

02:29:45.240 the person singing these songs is trying to work their will

02:29:49.640 so it's it's about them implementing will onto situation very often

02:29:58.760 yeah and i think that's it's worth noting i know that when we talk about

02:30:04.500 one that the the concept of the horse as a and rider as a beautiful relationship that is seen

02:30:13.400 i think it's also worth noting i think our ancestors saw the woman especially the unmarried

02:30:21.980 woman as her social strata is not locked down she was able to move about she had protection

02:30:30.060 from her father she had protection from her brothers so if you messed with her in certain

02:30:34.300 ways you could have you know fight face consequence so there was a kind of wildness to her in the

02:30:39.820 social strata of our ancestors the way that they they saw her um and the idea then of

02:30:49.580 finding a woman and having her come into your home and she's bound by oath in the sense that

02:30:56.460 she gives her oath to you she gives her oath to the household and then she gains a different strata

02:31:01.260 but then it involves no longer just the kind of wildness of the of the man and the woman and their

02:31:06.380 kind of place in society whether you know he's the young warrior he doesn't own any lands he's

02:31:11.180 it's kind of world the woman is not you know fully tied down and still has kind of

02:31:16.300 the sheltering of perhaps the tribe or the family or or what have you and they're just kind of

02:31:24.700 moving about and the idea of comparing that to going out and finding the wild you know horse and

02:31:32.620 taming that wild horse and then you to be coming and leading with a willful sense i mean this

02:31:37.660 this is pretty clear in our you know way of thinking and again it's spoken over um about

02:31:46.660 that teamwork and you and like looking at the willfulness of and manifestation of um

02:31:54.380 the man being the kind of attainer of the mead the one who um goes in and takes this kind of

02:32:03.780 vital power consuming it and then producing it into a willful sense um that shocks people

02:32:12.800 because we generally think in our culture and community of women as in the mother sense but

02:32:20.280 we're talking about kind of before that where there is this kind of wildness and

02:32:25.880 ability. And I think when we think about it, it doesn't seem too strange. When we look at

02:32:35.920 ourselves and we look at our social groups and we look at how we meet each other and how we

02:32:41.140 kind of the playfulness, the back and forth, the flirting, the talking, the moving, the seeing

02:32:48.540 each other, the dating. And then finally, it kind of coalesces to this moment where there's

02:32:53.840 oaths that are exchanged and what we end up seeing is both the young man and the young woman

02:32:59.600 changing their mode and that's when you know the the father needs to be a person of willful

02:33:09.120 forward the one who provides the one who guides the one who brings um you know the good of the

02:33:17.200 food and the water uh to the family could be the house too well i was going to say fundamentally

02:33:23.200 we talk about um attainment of ascension for men and women and kind of the breakdown is that man

02:33:36.560 attains ascension through mastery and women attain ascension through devotion like the

02:33:45.680 full expression of himself is when a man has mastery over himself over his situation over

02:33:55.360 the world that he's in charge of that he can shape it the way it ought to be that he can make things

02:34:02.240 right that he can direct things in the right way but also that women are in the spot where they

02:34:08.960 can fully give of themselves fully devote themselves to husband to family to children to

02:34:16.560 whatever she is devoting and giving that love to and one of the key things i think that's

02:34:23.280 brought in with the horse analogy is that implicit implicit trust

02:34:32.560 people talk about the connection between horse and rider in a

02:34:38.960 like an intuitive empathetic knowing when that relationship is completely in tune

02:34:47.780 very subtle shifts or cues or things from the writer immediately the horse understands and

02:34:54.820 knows what to do there's a there's a fully integrated unity of things there that you

02:35:07.800 see that are personified by the horsemanship culture that was you know fundamentally arian

02:35:15.080 the idea of domesticating the horse is one of the hallmarks of our people

02:35:21.800 and we see that with nobility itself arising from the mounted warrior or the horseman

02:35:29.880 you know through up until relatively recent times so i think that's an important aspect

02:35:37.240 to this rune that

02:35:39.180 honestly until now I hadn't

02:35:40.680 focused a lot of my attention towards.

02:35:50.960 So with that

02:35:53.080 Svahn, will you take us through 0.96

02:35:54.780 the final rune song

02:35:57.160 and

02:35:58.700 the end is looking

02:36:01.180 closer but no one can say that

02:36:03.180 we did not take our time.

02:36:06.180 Well

02:36:06.420 this is again another interesting one that brings a lot of questions and i think that we can clarify

02:36:12.520 this um an 18th i know that never will i tell to maiden or wife of man the best is what none

02:36:25.400 but the one self doth know so comes the end of the songs save only to her who else my sister is

02:36:36.260 so um

02:36:39.460 the the life-giving rune as this one is associated with gibor in the arman and and again i i'm

02:36:51.400 i was kind of laughing about my connection with eh and equas because again my knowledge of the

02:36:58.980 arman is very limited i can't just bring up or recall um you know the the meanings of the rune

02:37:05.980 poems like i can like the younger futhar so that connection like i was kind of like oh i hit it

02:37:12.460 i got it but um gibor again connect um in the armanin is uh um speaking of course of union

02:37:24.620 and or the springing of life but i find it interesting the way it's worded um so we have

02:37:32.540 to kind of correlate in the younger futhark there is no it was one of the double-legged

02:38:02.540 .

02:38:32.540 .

02:39:02.540 .

02:39:32.540 . 0.99

02:40:02.540 The untamed, wild, single woman into a trusting, loving relationship that's ordered. 0.98

02:40:15.740 And now the result... 1.00

02:40:20.740 What?

02:40:32.540 All right, I'm not sure where that left off, but other two rooms kind of feed into that

02:40:44.060 once that's established, the sharing of the being able to be in such a trusting spot to

02:40:56.280 where you can have the sharing of ideals and expressions

02:41:11.020 to where the two are one unit.

02:41:14.820 And it's one of those things that you don't want to trust. 0.95

02:41:19.820 to trust um you know we've talked about all of the different scandalous women throughout

02:41:28.580 the have them all in different things and there's that and you don't want to open yourself 0.69

02:41:32.760 up to potentially being hurt and various other things finally being in that spot where you 0.83

02:41:38.700 can have the female perspective where the masculine and the feminine can factor into 0.97

02:41:44.500 decisions and things in life and you have all of that working in conjunction that's kind of the

02:41:54.420 the closing mystery of this and that's you know you can have that platonically through your sister

02:42:02.180 who has no ulterior motive who is completely you know you guys are unified or with you know with

02:42:08.900 your your in the best of circumstances with your spouse um you know with your with your soul mate

02:42:18.420 and i think that's a really point uh important point of that unity and it's personified beautifully

02:42:24.340 in the gibor room or here as it's displayed in gibor with the uh you know almost swastika

02:42:31.780 element to it or the two hooks because it's balanced out um

02:42:39.780 our video is still froze on my end so i'm not sure what people are

02:42:44.100 what people are getting or what people aren't i hope they are um

02:42:52.820 okay so spawn can you hear me yeah i can hear you all right excellent we're almost to the finish

02:42:59.620 line on this one um can you take us through the closing uh the closing stanza uh yes let's see

02:43:12.820 here so um 164 now are horse words spoken in the hall kind for the kindred of men

02:43:29.620 Cursed for the kindred of giants. Hail to the speaker and to him who learns. Prophet be his who has them. Hail to them who hearken.

02:43:44.060 so um in the uh norse old norse it's halva halva of course is lord odin uh it means you know the

02:44:01.140 high one it's where the word or where the titling halva maur comes from uh he translates it as

02:44:09.060 horse h-o-r um and it again uh having relation to the word howard like in how about um the wise

02:44:21.340 and the high so there's there's a lot of uh crossing there but um um you know now have i

02:44:32.520 spoken from the high one um and said in the hall um you know and then althorf

02:44:41.560 versus author the um the the tribe or the the people of um

02:44:51.800 it's uh you know it is sorry is uh sorry is the goodness of and the ill or the balefulness of so

02:44:59.960 So it's the goodness of – that's interesting, actually, now that I'm looking at it.

02:45:10.300 Ita sonam, and then baleful of jotna sonam.

02:45:15.200 So jotna, of course, being jotnar, the giants, but ita in relation to man.

02:45:23.320 That's very interesting. I'm going to look that up in a second.

02:45:25.340 um but uh hail sow or you know it's a hail to the um

02:45:33.180 hail to the speaker uh or the or the learner but there's also an interesting part here

02:45:43.940 so the word hail i see a lot of people throwing out the word hail saw um and they say hello and

02:45:51.580 i i don't know if they know that but that's i've seen it enough to where i'm like it's kind of in

02:45:56.940 it's it's not a correct usage of the word um the word hail is the more correct

02:46:06.700 usage saying hail is you know saying hello um

02:46:13.020 um helsa and heller have different meanings or change the meaning of the word in the

02:46:22.140 way you're using it and i i uh i've seen it enough now where i'm i'm i guess it's

02:46:30.540 worth commenting on um but i find it truly interesting the the uh 1.00

02:46:37.500 the goodness amongst the sons of men but the balefulness amongst the yotnar 0.99

02:46:43.360 curse it for the kindred of giants um 1.00

02:46:48.760 i mean it's clearly an ending point and it's speaking of course that the wisdom that is

02:46:56.500 learned by both um the culmination of these poems is what we're looking at now where this exactly

02:47:05.020 again throwing in with was this arrangement placed after the end of lodfofners was this

02:47:11.900 added in order to encapsulate what was most likely three separate poems it's not fully known i i i

02:47:21.500 believe that this was kind of added as an end cap in order to fit the poems as they as they were

02:47:32.380 thus making them complete and in a way from that moment on kind of like being spoken as a

02:47:40.940 a state or a spell over it is like from this point on poems are now one um and it you know

02:47:48.620 if you are wise to hear them you will grow in great luck amongst men and you know it will be

02:47:55.980 a curse against the yotnar and um i often associate that i've been talking a lot about 0.60

02:48:03.660 the yotnar over the weekend about the dissipation of the yotnar and how man by extension of the gods

02:48:09.500 is a is uh or should be a decreer of order a creator of order a creator of society

02:48:17.740 creator of organization and that those that are dissipates the wisdom that we learn here

02:48:22.860 helps us grow and order

02:48:25.380 and create

02:48:26.620 and focus and willfully

02:48:29.820 build

02:48:30.340 and if you follow it

02:48:33.180 then woe is to the ones who seek to 0.54

02:48:35.200 dismay the Yotar

02:48:36.920 I think this is

02:48:42.100 I don't know

02:48:42.700 I really like the way this is

02:48:47.700 concluded, I've always found that

02:48:49.840 to be

02:48:50.460 special

02:48:52.660 I think it's poetic

02:48:55.300 I think it's exactly what you said

02:48:57.000 It is

02:48:58.100 That

02:48:59.440 That book in

02:49:02.520 Placed on it

02:49:04.580 To make it complete

02:49:07.560 And stand alone

02:49:08.520 I was looking

02:49:12.280 About

02:49:15.280 Hale

02:49:16.180 And it's different usages

02:49:18.480 Because I really do see Hale

02:49:21.220 i've written a lot and i don't think that's the correct usage no it's not it's not at all um and

02:49:26.900 it's that's uh where did that come from that's 1980s not understanding how to understand a

02:49:38.340 different language um and it has become there is there are so i don't mean any stink on it

02:49:48.740 because there's really not it's always well intended and it's a thing that's taken on a life

02:49:53.300 of its own but that is a very very common thing amongst prison also true and guys that learn also

02:50:00.340 true in prison because a lot of their stuff and a lot of their material is older and passed down

02:50:06.500 from different people at different points um and this is very much a reflection of

02:50:13.380 1980s also true that has i don't know that is has lingered in certain circles

02:50:24.020 and it's one of those things nobody wants to embarrass anybody and say like

02:50:28.580 you know what you really meant to say was and nobody wants to really do that so

02:50:34.740 they typically don't i got a little bit and maybe this could we because i first off and i think what

02:50:40.180 you just said is really important we're not doing a well actually but we're i think it's

02:50:45.220 good to discuss so i'm looking up some of the stuff here and the i think the common thing is

02:50:50.980 that perhaps maybe the well actuallys we're coming up with well no that means to say hail to someone

02:51:00.340 like a third person which is sort of correct but it also has another meaning which means

02:51:05.940 good health so perhaps you know health and restoration or or salvation to one

02:51:14.340 no that's what hail in and of itself means though yeah that's i think it's redundant because hail

02:51:19.460 means wholeness and wellness yeah the the declination of it is is at issue here and that

02:51:26.900 being said um like i get that again i'm i'm genuinely not trying to you know be disrespectful

02:51:36.660 or anything it's an important uh i'm currently you know struggling my way through trying to learn

02:51:45.940 Icelandic with Old Norse vocabulary like and that said complete disclosure I've tried this

02:51:58.060 numerous times in my life and I find it really really difficult so you know this is something

02:52:04.620 that I think we're all working on and trying to get figured out and at different points the idea

02:52:11.020 is once we realize something's incorrect or not quite correct, we move on to something else.

02:52:20.620 I think you addressed it, but I see it in the chat. Another question about the translation

02:52:26.220 whore's words as opposed to har's words. I think that's different ways to... 1.00

02:52:35.420 Svahn, what do you call that letter in Icelandic?

02:52:37.660 the a with the dash over top of it doesn't make an a sound and it doesn't make an o sound

02:52:51.180 but you see runically and linguistically an overlap between the a and the o especially when

02:52:57.260 you go into like the anglo-saxon yeah so it's just a different way to um anglicize hower because it's

02:53:10.060 it's not his name's not har either it's not the sayings of har though many of us have heard it

02:53:15.340 that way it's very much the sayings of hower and you know when you anglicize there's not like a

02:53:24.540 codex on how to do it you just you know go with the next closest thing and it's kind of halfway

02:53:30.380 in between most people you're absolutely correct in the way that we're all very familiar with

02:53:35.180 seeing it is the a with the dash over it and we see that next to it in the original translation

02:53:42.140 that's one of the reasons i like the version that we're using because you can see them both together

02:53:46.140 um and the way it declinates if i'm using declinate correctly is interesting

02:53:58.080 the title of this piece is in this last section which i find important too and it literally is

02:54:06.420 separated into two words how the mountain um you know how the being the declination of power in

02:54:14.840 this sense, in this tense, I guess, and mouth speaking. So yeah, there's not a lot of there's

02:54:27.840 nothing fancy, fancy to it. And to follow up on on the question, you know, he says how

02:54:36.800 might be pronounced whore it was pronounced hower but i don't see anybody using it it's interesting

02:54:47.740 your thing at the bottom phonetically sounds like it makes so much more sense to me and i'm not sure

02:54:52.100 why people didn't do that uh because that phonetically would read correctly but you know

02:54:59.300 they're doing letter for letter and is it an a or is it no it's neither and you pick your best one

02:55:04.980 because we don't have that letter in our alphabet and i think he's pulling from the um how about

02:55:17.540 the the high one i think there there's something there because it clearly in old norse is how

02:55:23.060 um and so i don't know if he's trying to create some sort of continuity

02:55:28.020 with other haiti and stories in that you know that he's translating um but you know in the

02:55:33.700 old norse it clearly says it's it's how was maul and how and howva kind of have the same

02:55:41.620 the high one um it is i just realized looking at it too helsa is the verb of saying hello

02:55:48.660 if you describe someone else saying hello to something it means to to hail right whereas the

02:55:54.260 word hell sun is a salutation so you could say hail or hell sun or uh what was the other one um

02:56:04.980 uh if you really want to go the extra mile but hail works h-e-i-l-l hail um

02:56:18.820 hail sun does work but you got to add the n on there otherwise you're speaking about someone

02:56:23.460 saying hello to someone else so just a note on it if you guys speak linguistics and i don't

02:56:40.820 and i'm always confused by it uh sorry and the quick thing it one second so anyways wikipedia

02:56:54.820 the like wika um etymology section talks about this i think it's interesting the old norse name

02:57:04.420 Hauvimau is a compound of the genitive form of Hauvi,

02:57:10.780 which is the inflectionally weak form

02:57:15.160 of Odin's name Haur or Haiwan.

02:57:19.360 So I am still figuring out exactly

02:57:25.900 what genitive means in stuff.

02:57:29.540 And when one would use an inflectionally weak form,

02:57:34.420 again these are words that are beyond my beyond my current understanding but i'm working on them

02:57:39.860 and that's what it says to any of you who are are skilled in linguistics well and that's one of the

02:57:47.940 things that really um it's just right outside of my grasp i i understand nominative genitive

02:57:54.660 dative um and accusative or you know possession possession basically because you are in iceland

02:58:02.340 But then when we get into like, you know, the feminine and like feminine usage in relation to why it's being used that way is always something I, you know, end up kind of getting lost on.

02:58:19.600 And I'm still working through that, too.

02:58:21.660 So anybody that's, you know, thinking that I'm some sort of linguistic wizard is not correct.

02:58:29.840 well sort of but you are you you your native tongue is eastland school so uh

02:58:39.200 that that puts you that puts you ahead of a great many of us who who you know english just doesn't

02:58:46.260 have those pieces to it um but yeah that's linguistics are fascinating and it's something

02:58:53.300 that that i'm absolutely working on so i think we're all at different points in our in our study

02:59:00.260 on some of these things um so thank you guys i didn't realize at the start was going to be a

02:59:06.900 seven-part episode glad that it was i'm glad we took our time on it i am very satisfied with it

02:59:12.660 but i do know it was long and uh and i appreciate it um got a few questions i'm going to go back

02:59:21.300 over now that we've you know come to the end of our uh our how them all study um

02:59:39.140 so off the top

02:59:45.940 i'll make sure i don't miss one here i'm sorry i'm reading back over a whole string of text that

02:59:51.140 nick and i had here we go michael from jordshoff likes to put his questions up front so he can

02:59:57.220 hear them the following day which is kind of cool and he knows they're going to be at the tail end

03:00:02.100 um he asks could you both give us your opinions on meditation and how to best use it for one's own

03:00:10.820 benefit swan would you like to would you like to talk on this yeah i i mean i think meditation as a

03:00:25.480 word is just interesting because of its placement within our our usage of the word today but i

03:00:33.880 absolutely believe that it was part of our and our ancestors um whether you know we think of it as

03:00:43.560 we could use the word contemplation um sometimes it's kind of angled towards like sitting

03:00:51.800 out a lot of people will argue that perhaps that isn't correct because that's about

03:00:57.560 why you're sitting out and where you're sitting out but

03:01:03.880 I, and I, I've thought about like translations, like the idea of maybe saying like, um, like out of the mind, but I don't know if that would be incorrect, but it's, it's stepping out of one's mind is interesting to me.

03:01:24.940 And that's the way I've always kind of looked at it is your mind is racing.

03:01:28.820 You step out of your mind to kind of tend it like a garden.

03:01:33.880 third of yourself um or or at least calm it down and place yourself in such a point of focus

03:01:42.100 um but again that's you know the purposing purposing of meditation some people think of

03:01:49.680 it as like recalling memories some people think about it as again tending your mind focusing on

03:01:55.540 the moment some people think about it as integrating or synthesizing with particular

03:02:00.700 information a room or a verse or something calm their mind of everything and then they totally

03:02:07.920 absorb into one ideal does all of this have purpose and connection in our faith 100 i 100

03:02:17.320 believe it it's just that the context of which it can be applied or said is up to debate but

03:02:24.800 the usage of the word meditation um even in modern sense still holds it has application

03:02:32.080 and we do it whether it's you know steadying ourselves whether it's again separating from

03:02:39.560 from the mundane um having that moment of silence before going through that threshold

03:02:45.720 there's a lot of times in which the calming the stilling and the placement of the mind

03:02:51.000 So like, again, I don't want to say or decree it, but being out of the mind doesn't necessarily have the same meaning as being out of your mind, like you've lost control.

03:03:03.320 It's again, more like stepping out of your mind and tending to it in a sense of solemn silence and meaningfulness of the moment, whether it's again, focusing on breath.

03:03:21.000 And I mean, you, people, like we talked about this earlier, you know, people could say one thing or another, oh, you know, you're pulling from these traditions and that traditions, but we know that on this sacred, we know that it was given to us by Lord Ovin, and on being that, that breath, the usage of, say, breath technique or breath practices, perhaps have been cultivated in other traditions, whether it is Vedic or, or what have you.

03:03:50.000 but creating our own and conceptualizing the idea of what meditation breathing and being

03:04:00.040 intending to one's mind stepping out of one's mind intending it could look like for our ancestors

03:04:05.880 i mean not our ancestors our descendants um what kind of traditions does ausatru have on its

03:04:14.140 table in front of it that will eventually become these kind of long-standing traditions

03:04:22.060 that perhaps have already been established by some older forms, but also too influenced by

03:04:28.960 other things. We can look at those things and take inspiration from them and compare them and

03:04:35.120 kind of use them to shape perhaps the water in the clay, if you will. But our job now is to

03:04:42.880 build those traditions of what that might mean and i don't think we should shy away from them um

03:04:48.780 it's just what what it could look like or whether it would involve mantra or rim or song um and

03:04:59.040 there was discussion about this weekend uh is there an ability for uh mantra and meditation

03:05:04.880 to take form in an austral sense that doesn't mimic one for one the traditions of like the

03:05:12.600 vedic or perhaps persian arians um but instead is its own life and its own tradition built up

03:05:23.000 and you get a lot of people that are like well our ancestors didn't do that it's like no no we're

03:05:27.220 talking about we've got a lot of stuff but we're going to focus it down into a way and then it's

03:05:33.400 going to grow from us to where our descendants will have it and it will be then it's you know

03:05:40.220 full intended purpose or akin to the traditions that perhaps are unbroken um in other branches

03:05:46.940 yeah it has absolute value um and i'm sorry that that was the nature of the question right was

03:05:54.080 is there value yeah basically what you can use it for and how it works and

03:06:00.340 a little bit that way. And so I would say that your last statement about the people who want

03:06:10.020 to be critical and endlessly, there's a thing where you're like, well, this isn't the authentic

03:06:19.260 way that our ancestors used to practice, so we can't use it. Well, cool. Do you know the

03:06:25.240 authentic way that our ancestors used to do their meditation techniques oh well no you don't well

03:06:33.020 cool so what should we do just stand around and not do anything and whether people want to admit

03:06:39.620 it that is the conclusion they don't decide to not do anything they don't decide anything at all

03:06:46.800 they just get mired in inaction um that's a time that they could use meditation

03:06:54.300 Instead of sitting around thinking about all of the nonsense gnawing at their brain about scholastics and all this stuff, just sitting down and doing and letting go and engaging in the process is valuable.

03:07:17.060 um one thing that i think is interesting from our lore and i've seen many people liken this

03:07:28.320 to meditation in its expression is lord odin sitting on athlete's golf and letting

03:07:37.840 human and munan fly free and he lets them fly through the worlds and they come back and report

03:07:45.420 to him at night literally thought and memory he does an in essence a form of freeing his mind

03:07:54.460 and then recollecting it and reintegrating at a period and i think there's definitely something

03:08:01.880 to that um i and i this is kind of if i understand correctly this is an evolution

03:08:10.040 of a conversation that I saw in our men's group earlier as well about the benefits of

03:08:18.880 esoteric stuff versus direct acting in the world. And I think very much, and we can talk about that

03:08:28.600 endlessly. That is hours and hours and hours of a subject to parse out all of the details on,

03:08:34.580 But fundamentally, meditation, magic, those kind of esoterics are icing and action in the world.

03:08:51.640 Deeds are the cake.

03:08:54.560 Icing enhances a cake, but it doesn't make the cake.

03:08:59.580 You can have cake and no icing and it's still really good.

03:09:01.860 if you have icing and no cake that's gross um and that's one of the things

03:09:09.040 trouble is and you'll even read this in esoteric texts

03:09:16.720 when you retreat from the world into your own little internal esoteric thing it's very very

03:09:26.060 easy for you to get lost and untethered from reality there's not a lot objectively to judge

03:09:34.200 your yourself by and the line between authentic esoteric experience in the land of make-believe

03:09:44.480 can be paper thin and very often people wind up on the other side of it

03:09:49.580 um that's where you see the phenomenon of the basement wizards

03:09:56.860 meditation should enhance your ability to live life and do deeds and accomplish things

03:10:03.980 there's a lot of ways to do it i have trouble blocking out all of the nagging

03:10:10.220 thoughts and things that would come into my head during a meditation so i use galder as mantra

03:10:18.220 when i do it to get to that space where where meditation is very worthwhile

03:10:27.660 in certain ways um i would be lying if i say i do that stuff all the time i try to

03:10:37.020 fully engage myself in in action and in doing because that soothes things that are nagging

03:10:46.780 and i think that accomplishes quite a bit but there's a place as as a a seasoning or as

03:10:53.820 something that adds to a well-lived life full of deeds but the one can't take the place for the

03:11:01.580 other uh in terms of meditation and esoterics can't take the place of of action and of doing

03:11:07.900 and of accomplishing um and and we all know that to be true you know if you stand on one

03:11:16.140 end of the football field and start casting spells at me and i stand on the other end of

03:11:20.860 the football field and start charging at you um i will i will deliver a beat down way faster than

03:11:29.340 you will cast magic missile at me um and and i say that anyone who listens to this program knows

03:11:39.020 that i talk about magic on here often and it's not that i don't think that it has value but

03:11:44.300 all of the value is coupled with action to enhance action um there's a whole lot of

03:11:52.220 basement wizards that claim a lot of efficacy that live in mom's basement that are you know

03:12:00.540 50 year old virgins and they have nothing to show for themselves but in their own mind they are you

03:12:07.980 know gandalf or something and and that's that's unfortunate and it's a tragic waste of of potential

03:12:17.500 and i think that's one of the most tragic things of all is wasted potential um

03:12:25.260 also from michael from jordshoff we have a question is the bell at thorsoff functional

03:12:33.420 and if so is it used to call the folk to worship absolutely is functional and i usually use it i

03:12:39.740 did not use it this last weekend and i thought about it a little bit after the fact i'm not

03:12:44.860 sure if folks there use it frequently it's fun do you guys use that bell often yes we ring it

03:12:52.140 nine times um generally during the procession uh we did use it this this weekend but you might not

03:12:59.500 have heard it but when the um the the right before the wedding when there was that five minutes to

03:13:05.660 kind of press and all that stuff and then i i actually used the bell to kind of call the folks

03:13:11.980 back in um um in relation to um uh bronze age worship uh especially with the waning gods or the

03:13:29.020 vanir gods um uh and then to post christianity a lot of the the idea of they would always say like

03:13:39.420 church bells in iceland you know ups the land spirits but i think there was already a long

03:13:47.260 connection of the idea that the bells activate or kind of draw attention to the land spirits

03:13:53.180 or the alvar or the hoodl folk as they later became known um and again you know uh adam of

03:14:00.460 bremen noted that the priests of frey had bells on their belts and he is the lord of the alvar or

03:14:08.860 the elves um so there's a lot of kind of connections and i've always began most of my

03:14:15.100 bloats with a ringing of the bells and a speaking or singing a prayer and a galder with a spell at

03:14:21.980 the end to the land spirits letting them know that they're welcome if they're if they're well

03:14:27.160 if they are willful or joyful but if they're woeful then they have to go away um and uh

03:14:35.240 it's done in a polite sense but a strong sense that yes we make this place um our own and um

03:14:43.560 and uh you know it it would do you well to know that we are calling the gods and uh if you have

03:14:51.380 ill intent, you should leave because it will not be good for you. So that, um, that ringing of the

03:14:58.920 bells is, uh, is important. And I, I've always kind of had it in my, uh, devotion to the gods.

03:15:07.460 Um, and I think it does go back to, you know, the usage of bronze and, um, the uses of brass

03:15:13.900 and, um, the sacredness of sound. And so we use it and it's kind of a combination of things.

03:15:20.520 again it's a larger version of the small bell being rung it's also a point to call the folk as

03:15:26.960 they process from one building to the other and in essence they're leaving from the the mundane

03:15:32.940 threshold and entering the sacred threshold and that's symbolic entirely i mean because we do have

03:15:39.960 after ceremonies and after bloat you know the the vey is open for people to sit and talk and

03:15:45.880 children to run around and play and all of that but it becomes a different thing when the bell is

03:15:51.340 rung and the procession starts and the prayer to the lambertier or the prayer to the um you know

03:15:58.060 the smart alvar and doc alvar is spoken that that's when it becomes serious well and it's also

03:16:09.960 really cool to ring a you know 150 year old church bell yeah um it's neat it's this old antique bell

03:16:18.920 in this functional bell tower and those are you know more and more rare to have it's kind of a

03:16:25.800 special thing about the antiquity of the building so that's that's really kind of a cool extra that

03:16:31.320 came with it um just to kind of clear something up because i think it's important that i see over in

03:16:37.480 the chat room i know the comment was in jest but um a spell is basically a prayer so good luck

03:16:45.320 finding a god that will cast fireball for you so i want to make a slight difference in that um

03:16:55.080 and to continue to uh nerd out on some stuff

03:16:58.920 if you look at spells just like in nerdy stuff there's wizard spells and there's

03:17:09.880 cleric spells and they work different so there is invoking magical things by asking of the gods and

03:17:20.520 and beseeching them to help you with things that's one that's one thing that is valuable

03:17:29.320 and that very much is prayer but there's also the wizard or the vitki um harnessing his own will

03:17:40.760 through his understanding of of the other of the metaphysic to implement his will into the world

03:17:49.720 one can do one of those or the other but

03:17:57.080 but it's uh yeah it's a functionality so i wanted to to mention that a little bit you know all of

03:18:04.600 these these spells that are taught in in the poem are for you to make use of as opposed to to ask

03:18:11.720 the all-father to do these things for you it's absolutely appropriate to pray

03:18:19.040 and invoke the gods to ask their help with things it's also valuable to try to

03:18:26.220 harness your own spiritual efficacy to affect things both are both are good

03:18:33.440 things and valid things to do. So the next thing we got is, what does the AFA think about pagan

03:18:46.360 gods of the Greeks, such as Zeus, Heracles, or Poseidon? The AFA believes that the different

03:18:58.940 gods in different Arian pantheons are all reflections of the same Arian divinity. I say

03:19:09.900 all. There's obviously things that developed over time or perhaps were borrowed from neighboring

03:19:17.400 things, but at its basic level in the major gods are different reflections of the Aesir as the

03:19:28.140 Aesir were known to our most ancient ancestors. And as our folk moved through time and through

03:19:37.000 location, they developed very distinct relationships and understandings of the Aesir in a way that

03:19:45.920 may seem unfamiliar to those of us whose ancestors developed those relationships in different ways.

03:19:56.960 um it's important to realize that linguistically

03:20:03.640 there's a bit of logic to it we're unaware of any point in time where

03:20:13.800 you know the the gods you know the the isir march down the rainbow bridge and

03:20:22.740 I said, you know, hi guys, my name is Oden. My name is, you know, Heimdall. My name is, these are names that our folk attributed to or placed upon their gods because that is the best way they came to know them or came to describe them or that's what those gods meant to them.

03:20:49.840 And it's important to look at it in that context. It's also really interesting that linguistically the names for different gods and different Aryan pantheons are often very similar, if not, you know, derivative from the same roots, which is really interesting.

03:21:07.460 now fleshing out completely where one you know trying to go one for one of the icer as we know

03:21:18.360 them with the gods of different branches of aryan spirituality there are some that are very obvious

03:21:26.420 the other there's a lot of it's very difficult to parse out what goes where and it's not an exact

03:21:31.180 science that way. But those other faiths and traditions have not have not survived, are not

03:21:41.320 thriving, are not viable and functioning right now, certainly not in the United States and most

03:21:48.840 of the West. What is functioning and what we do know is beneficial and is a boon to us is

03:21:59.940 worshiping and interacting with the icr under under the norse conception the norse stories

03:22:07.060 the norse linguistics that is how they have manifested to us and the uh religion of our

03:22:16.900 of our folk has has been reforged that's how that has worked so it's under those terms that we move

03:22:24.260 forward and that's successful that has been given the approval of the icr with you know their blessings

03:22:40.020 we welcome members of the military current and former

Asatru Folk Assembly - March 28, 2024

3⧸27⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 90 - Hávamál, Part 7

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