Asatru Folk Assembly - 3⧸27⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 90 - Hávamál, Part 7.5

00:00:00.000 happened the way it did so we can avoid it in the future it did cool hey guys sorry about that um

00:00:08.560 we're gonna try to get to the bottom of this issue so it doesn't uh doesn't continue i'm trying to

00:00:15.920 get squared away on the interface here so i can see you guys but in the meantime this is uh this

00:00:22.720 is what we got and i hope folks i want to give folks a couple of little bit here to get back

00:00:29.280 in if they're not um so they can get the answers to some of their questions

00:00:38.800 my analytics are

00:00:42.720 not currently giving me anybody being in the room so

00:00:47.200 if you know and you can let me know when we got some people in there we can go back to answering

00:00:51.920 Any questions?

00:01:16.960 So we got two viewers.

00:01:18.640 I think one of them is Nick.

00:01:19.800 all right all right so i was going to say we have active duty military members we always have

00:01:38.300 um we appreciate our servicemen we appreciate our veterans uh we have currently have 29 members

00:01:45.460 who are active duty military to my knowledge uh we've had servicemen from different countries and

00:01:57.300 not just the united states over time we've also had uh you know i've been there for a number of

00:02:04.660 vows to true service people's funerals um and veterans getting thor's hammer on tombstones

00:02:14.020 is a thing and recognized by the department of defense on official like headstones at official

00:02:19.860 military cemeteries uh what's up i just wanted to let one of the um viewers he's the one that

00:02:29.780 wrote the question i was going to answer that after what you were saying because i know he said

00:02:35.700 it looks like i missed my chance but no i was going to answer your question from earlier sorry

00:02:43.220 nope you're fine um i was just gonna say i was just gonna finish that there's a

00:02:49.380 it's officially recognized by the department of defense

00:02:52.020 you're able to have them on dog tags that's been a thing for quite some time

00:02:56.980 um but yeah and then you know i think that's kind of the last of where we're at but if you

00:03:03.620 want to go ahead and get his question that'd be great well and the the issue being um that i don't

00:03:12.260 have the list of questions from the last one but sought to another he i was preparing to answer

00:03:19.300 the question i was actually looking some stuff up um i don't have the answer as to who the irishman

00:03:26.340 is because he asked about this is back when we're talking about the native american

00:03:31.860 ceremonies the the that were witnessed um and drinking from her own well and things like that

00:03:39.220 uh he said he asked a question who was the anthropologist that got a chance to look into

00:03:44.660 that and he believed he was an irishman but as far back as i can remember the one person that's

00:03:49.940 really worth looking into is a gentleman by the name of clark whistler you can look him up on

00:03:56.820 wikipedia um you you can see how the modern folks demonize him because he was a believer in

00:04:05.060 uh science in the form of breeding and eugenics um they'll call him a racial scientist or what

00:04:12.900 have you but he was one of the guys that got to see the very rare sun rich bone and hang from

00:04:22.180 suspended from a pole and um really interesting guy to look into uh some of his work is there

00:04:29.940 Again, like I said, he was into racial eugenics and the idea of what breeding and encapsulating, you know, good traits versus and weeding out bad traits for society could mean.

00:04:44.560 Of course, like I said, it's going to be heavily wrought with he was such a bad person. 0.53

00:04:49.100 But if you can read through all of that nonsense and his stuff with Native American is like studies, really interesting.

00:04:58.140 and then also i found this too if you go down to the bottom of his page there is like a 50

00:05:06.380 person list of anthropologists anthro am i saying that anthropologists

00:05:12.880 oh other members of his you know sciences and their studies in list down at the bottom that

00:05:22.640 are also very interesting to look into and all of his works and papers are linked there as well

00:05:27.380 So Clark Whistler.

00:05:32.440 All right.

00:05:33.240 So I think we've got a couple of other questions that have come up.

00:05:41.080 Have you guys done sagas before?

00:05:43.240 And if not, are they scheduled?

00:05:44.920 I think scheduled is a more organized way of putting it.

00:05:50.460 Yes, they are certainly planned.

00:05:53.160 We want to go through a bunch of different pieces of the Lord,

00:05:55.800 just like we've done with the album all and um we the closest thing we've done to sagas is we did do

00:06:02.600 uh with wit and brandy we did uh a three-part i believe series on beowulf

00:06:11.880 but we do want to go through a number of sodas um there's a lot of things we would like to cover

00:06:17.640 depending on you know if if it's working well and people are uh getting a lot out of it i think this

00:06:25.080 has been really beneficial so we're going to continue our way through the eddas and then

00:06:30.680 after that we can start thinking about some sagas or other materials the next

00:06:39.160 next question was do you guys have weekly services at the hoffs like christians do at church or no

00:06:45.640 So, I would really, really like to.

00:06:50.640 We are still, excuse me, we are still struggling with the issue of distance.

00:07:01.120 It's one of the things that is always kind of an interesting situation we find ourselves in.

00:07:07.440 If we had a significant group of our folk that lived within a normal, you know, whatever normal people do weekly for church, 30, 15 minute drive from our Hoffs, then we would love to do that once a week.

00:07:26.760 Right now, we've got kind of a window around the home, and that makes it a little bit more difficult to get attendance that many times a week.

00:07:34.100 As it is now, we do once a month.

00:07:37.440 And sometimes people might have things, they're certainly not limited to one service, for lack of a better term, every month at the Hoffs.

00:07:52.180 And like I said, the more we can get people to live close or as our Hoffs expand and we get people closer to them, we'll certainly have increased activity there.

00:08:01.140 But that's where we're at at present.

00:08:03.120 But just kind of a footnote on it, I mentioned we're in year 30 of the Ausatru Folk Assembly as it is now, and Ausatru in its modern form has been around since, I believe, 1968 or some version of it.

00:08:20.360 we got our very first Hoff in 2015 and that's Odin's Hoff in Brownsville, California. So

00:08:26.280 we're rapidly correcting these problems and getting a lot better, but we're still not quite

00:08:32.200 there on some of the distance. It's a relatively short amount of time since we've had Hoffs at all

00:08:39.480 and they will move closer to our members and we will get more members closer to them. So it's kind

00:08:45.880 of a it's being accomplished in both directions i'd say on that i did want to speak too on that

00:08:55.720 i've been asked that before and i want to bring up that the monthly celebrations that we do

00:09:03.800 are again bringing ourselves into alignment with the holy tides

00:09:07.800 that he has ausitur can hold bloat and and um stumble at pretty much any time of the month

00:09:17.020 or any time of the week we it's always a good time to give devotion to the gods and to give

00:09:22.460 gifts to them it's just worth noting that the reason why we do it monthly right now is because

00:09:27.820 we are holding our traditions of making sure that we honor the holy tides but you know if we were

00:09:36.900 had a lot closer congregants that were able to maintain throughout the week and do bloats at

00:09:43.700 any time that they saw or deemed you know fitting it would absolutely be done but so i i always try

00:09:50.420 to explain that to people is that what they're seeing is predominantly the structure of the holy

00:09:56.060 tides the the maintaining order and correctness throughout the year but praying at home is good

00:10:04.240 but if we could get it to the point where we you know we'd hold midweeks or you know have a bloat

00:10:11.620 for tear on tuesday and lord odin on wednesday and thor on thursday that would be great and we

00:10:17.480 could easily do that it's just again yeah distance time lots of other factors so the next question

00:10:25.640 that comes up i think it's a good one i appreciate you went to the source and asked them true and

00:10:30.380 sanatana dharma is sharing a common indo-european root pantheon he told me that sanatana dharma

00:10:37.660 is the root so remember remember that and that there was never a proto-indo-european on this

00:10:52.860 so i want to i want to go from last to first on this

00:11:00.380 That's just not true that there wasn't a Proto-Indo-European language or pantheon.

00:11:07.060 Linguistics overwhelmingly prove that those things go back to a common root.

00:11:16.040 And I don't, I'm not sure what he means if he says there wasn't a Proto-Indo-European language or pantheon,

00:11:25.160 but that Sanatana Dharma is the root and that his pantheon is the root pantheon.

00:11:34.880 Those can't exist simultaneously and both be true.

00:11:40.460 I think that the way that he conceives, okay, and so here's the thing, to be fair.

00:11:44.740 He conceives it, as far as I understand it, is that his Vedic, or however he would position it, but he uses Vedic terms, language and pantheon, be it Sanskrit as the root and everything else as a variant, descendant,

00:12:14.740 um other interpretation or perhaps even deviation from what he feels is the original

00:12:23.680 um yeah yeah something he just said yeah so i see that but i was going to kind of go down the

00:12:32.680 route that he's talking about well so okay so i see that and i'll also stipulate that

00:12:40.960 But I think the way that we conceive it is the root and the original and everything else is away from that. But I also know that it's, there's more to it than that. I know that, you know, Old Norse words and stories are variants of much, much more ancient source material that have been revealed to us under those terms over time.

00:13:10.960 um i see the the follow-ups there and i and i appreciate

00:13:18.720 i it's very nuanced because i don't know what that means to him um i don't

00:13:29.440 think that anybody doesn't understand that

00:13:32.640 european peoples um come from a common root and source that is distinct i would be surprised if

00:13:48.000 he completely rejects that because he spoke favorably of fulkishness in specifically in

00:13:54.160 the dharma manifesto but perhaps in other works and other things i've heard from him over the years

00:13:59.680 um i mean speculative is i think an overused term and most anything that any of us are discussing

00:14:12.400 would be described as anyone who is not a member of assembly as to one degree or another speculative

00:14:20.400 so it's hard to it's hard to say exactly what he means by that um

00:14:28.720 Yeah, so I'm curious because he, obviously he believes that his way of doing things would be doing it, and I will stipulate that, and, you know, clearly I believe that ours is the correct way of doing it,

00:14:49.500 And I wish that he would that he would come our way and be part of what we're doing as he is a an ethnic Spaniard.

00:14:58.920 So I think this would be the right place for him.

00:15:01.680 But it's interesting. I'm glad you and he have had conversations and perhaps his position has evolved over the years.

00:15:06.920 I'm not sure. It's fine. You had some thoughts on this.

00:15:11.220 Yeah, I think I might understand where he's coming from.

00:15:15.620 um what he's talking about is i i kind of got into a conversation with uh thomas owl about this

00:15:22.980 and the um the usage of the word proto-indo-european is again a reconstruction or titling

00:15:31.700 the language is also reconstructed so it's to envy the absolute like construction of the pantheon

00:15:42.860 is again speculative everything was kind of worked backwards even the runic names that we use

00:15:48.540 that are said to be you know like proto-indo-european are speculative linguistic cross

00:15:55.900 analysis um and i think that's what he's saying is is that

00:16:01.020 that there i don't think he's saying that there wasn't a pantheon is that we don't

00:16:04.540 know fully because again a lot of it has been worked backwards and i i hearken to that a lot

00:16:10.220 because the the people that really like

00:16:17.180 beat the drum on the sky daddy issue uh they don't talk about the earth mommy issue they

00:16:22.300 want to know about sky daddy and who sky daddy is and so on and so but i say that with god the

00:16:27.420 shiva the vishnu of the arian pantheon the the one and only sky daddy uh they they kind of

00:16:34.220 of dissolve away from the polytheistic tripartite that's clear in almost every aryan branch every

00:16:43.040 aryan branch of faith has the tripartite the only one that doesn't is the one that's speculative

00:16:50.240 which is the proto-indo-europe blah blah blah blah blah i just call it like pre-arian or

00:16:56.740 again yeah proto-arian i guess is the the best way to to but it's all you know i think he's

00:17:04.440 talking about the speculative and that what we do have is just what you said our pathway is the root

00:17:10.740 his pathway he believes is the root um and that does have some merit i mean again i think a lot

00:17:17.020 of people do forget and they want to like oh no there is a sky daddy word so it's got to be

00:17:22.420 who's sky father what is sky father's other than that and it's like never mind that there's clearly

00:17:29.300 the the triplication of the sky in every area and branch they're just focusing on the

00:17:34.800 focusing on the speculative i think they're doing that to kind of bring christians in

00:17:39.360 you know and and kind of make a correlation there but um i mean he is correct in the sense

00:17:46.700 that linguistically there's a certain point where we can only speculate and we don't have any

00:17:54.300 that's i think that that goes without saying and we would all stipulate that the further you go

00:18:01.740 back in antiquity the murkier things become us because the sort the material for it is less and

00:18:09.740 less the language is absolutely they sentence prove its existence if not this but the specifics

00:18:22.700 of its culture and i think that you know things partly if we uncovered you know a detailed codex

00:18:31.420 of you know how the most ancient area or used words or anything else um

00:18:42.940 but one of those doesn't exist the lack of all of the specifics of it don't mean that

00:18:49.820 that culture didn't exist or that there's not that root um because there certainly is the

00:18:57.420 commonalities amongst the descended peoples are so very very similar if not in some instances

00:19:07.820 exactly the same they're very clearly derived from a common earlier point and it's one of those

00:19:17.100 that just is um i think that you know the original deities of our people

00:19:24.860 in the the correct way and in some sense that's not mutually exclusive

00:19:33.520 i don't you know just as i mentioned earlier i don't think that

00:19:39.580 you know somebody rode up on an elephant and said hi indian arians my name is indra and somebody

00:19:50.220 rode up on a goat chariot and said hi norse people my name's thor obviously our people applied those

00:19:58.860 names and i don't you know that makes sense and there is there's room for that if that makes

00:20:07.580 that makes any sense but i'd be really really kind of curious if he genuinely does not think that

00:20:13.900 there is a link between aryan peoples in antiquity it would seem to fly in the face of all the

00:20:22.860 evidence and just not be true if he says that the only people that have suggested that

00:20:31.420 are people who have very specifically done that for uh politically correct reasons

00:20:39.660 post the second world war so that's that's very interesting to me but i appreciate you asking that

00:20:46.020 and bringing us his response um yeah what do you got let's say one thing please looking at the

00:20:53.700 arians and you know i i kind of look at them as four branches you have the vedic branch you have

00:21:05.300 the uh like persian but you know i wouldn't say persian i would say middle eastern branch

00:21:12.200 you have the mediterranean branch and then you have the european or and i don't even like to

00:21:17.940 use the word european because that's um uh a phoenician or or canaanite woman's name

00:21:25.860 let's just say um you know i guess the folk land of the fatherland uh or the land of the people

00:21:34.600 the you have these four branches the vedic branch goes down into india and they intermix with the

00:21:40.760 dravidians over time very long amount of time they do write down some stuff so there's a lot

00:21:46.000 of substantialness there then in the the middle eastern you have the what would eventually become

00:21:52.360 the iranians but we're looking at kind of like i would say the louians and the hittites they

00:21:58.500 intermix with the semitic people the mediterranean they do not intermix as much in the beginning but

00:22:06.820 they do eventually mixing with the phoenicians and having some cultural stuff with the egyptians

00:22:11.700 and and so on and so forth um the mediterraneans also their living structure the metropolis

00:22:18.580 um changes a lot of the way they were like one of the first branches to really break away

00:22:23.060 from the tribe and go into the the um the city state if you will it's the the um

00:22:31.140 the folk branch that goes into what we call europe today they intermixed with stone age and bronze

00:22:38.660 age descendants of the same people that they are like they they ended up not intermixing with a

00:22:46.660 completely different people but inter intermixed with you know what whether we call it the goal

00:22:54.580 also the celts or we could even go back to like you know the early megalith builders but

00:23:00.100 out of those branches the one that doesn't completely conjoin onto a different people

00:23:06.020 is the ones that went into europe and went into the um mid and northern so the slavs and the

00:23:13.780 Teutons and the Gauls, those three in particular, have, I think, a lot of the branches in relation

00:23:21.400 to outside peoples. And then, of course, you know, we see the Gauls kind of getting absorbed

00:23:26.720 into the Teutons or being completely destroyed by the Italo-Romans. But, you know, when you look at

00:23:36.320 like the Etruscans and the Romans and the Greeks, especially with Etruscans, you can see a lot of

00:23:40.400 the Aryan, you know, the fact that they called their gods Essir is pretty, really, really

00:23:47.920 interesting to me, how much they are more closely related to their northern cousins.

00:23:54.380 But again, out of all the branches, the one that seems to be more or less internally functioning

00:24:01.800 with itself is the Teutons, the Gauls, and the Swabs. And so I think about Proto-Indo-European

00:24:09.620 and proto um you know language or religion and pantheon as being speculative 100 it is it is

00:24:16.460 speculative but to as which one is the root or which one is i would argue least molested i would

00:24:24.180 not put the of how they've absorbed and have steeped in dravidian culture for so long there's

00:24:31.780 at this point we can't it's very hard to separate the two um and it you know a lot of people kind

00:24:38.800 go to it and then on top of that if you are a european and you do go to the vedic arian branch

00:24:44.880 you are still encapsulating a very alien branch like you're it's not something that you as a

00:24:55.280 european can simply look back to your history and see a connection no you're jumping over

00:25:00.720 and then since there and especially if he doesn't see those connections he doesn't see those

00:25:05.360 connections if he thinks they're speculative then he is doing a complete jump without a connective

00:25:10.880 point for all those branches which is pretty crazy to me but bring that up as far as my view on

00:25:18.240 why i think the um the uh european um branch is the least um you know transmutated versus the

00:25:30.800 other ones because they're they're influx with others and i would argue like again did uh deus

00:25:36.880 or or uh zeus in the greek did he hold a scepter and then after they met the phoenicians

00:25:43.280 their their head of their pantheon baal has a lightning rod was their influence there

00:25:51.040 there's a lot of like little things that could be kind of talked about but above the alps

00:25:57.600 with the gulls and the slavs and the tutans there seems to be it's

00:26:09.200 yeah you know that

00:26:13.520 and then to ponder and to go back over um

00:26:17.280 um what we're doing is functional it's natural and appropriate for our folk it is approved of

00:26:31.920 certainly it is approved of in in broad terms hopefully it is a improved uh approved of in

00:26:39.240 more finite terms by our gods and the gift cycle that we have has been maintained for

00:26:47.560 we're in the 30th year of it consistently so um i think that speaks volumes and is

00:26:57.280 one of the reasons that we we have confidence in it but that said um we have uh experienced

00:27:04.840 quite a bit of, quite a bit of technological issues this evening. We're going to try to get

00:27:13.340 it all sorted out so it's not a struggle next week. Appreciate you guys bearing with us. And

00:27:20.380 it's been great to go through our Habermal study with you. Svon, thank you so much as always for

00:27:28.760 being on here and sharing your wisdom um with our folk we appreciate it i think it's always been fun

00:27:37.480 i want to do the adas i want to do more well cool sold so um yeah we will be back to start uh

00:27:48.520 that through some small in two weeks um next year we're still lining up or i'm sorry next week we're

00:27:58.760 still lining up exactly what the show's gonna be but we're gonna give spawn a break over that week

00:28:04.200 and then yeah we'll get back to uh to our edda studies and we'll have something good for you

00:28:10.440 next week i'm looking forward to that i hope you guys have a great night and uh until then

00:28:17.320 Hail the gods, hail the folk, hail the AFA, and remember that victory never sleeps.

00:28:26.660 Have a good night, guys.

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Asatru Folk Assembly - March 28, 2024

3⧸27⧸24 Victory Never Sleeps, Episode 90 - Hávamál, Part 7.5

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