In this episode, we cover a few of the most common questions we get from our listeners, including: Who was the first anthropologist to look into the history of Native American ceremonies? What are the origins of the term "Native American" and why is it a thing? and who is the most likely the first person to identify the first Native American to drink from a well?
00:01:19.800all right all right so i was going to say we have active duty military members we always have
00:01:38.300um we appreciate our servicemen we appreciate our veterans uh we have currently have 29 members
00:01:45.460who are active duty military to my knowledge uh we've had servicemen from different countries and
00:01:57.300not just the united states over time we've also had uh you know i've been there for a number of
00:02:04.660vows to true service people's funerals um and veterans getting thor's hammer on tombstones
00:02:14.020is a thing and recognized by the department of defense on official like headstones at official
00:02:19.860military cemeteries uh what's up i just wanted to let one of the um viewers he's the one that
00:02:29.780wrote the question i was going to answer that after what you were saying because i know he said
00:02:35.700it looks like i missed my chance but no i was going to answer your question from earlier sorry
00:02:43.220nope you're fine um i was just gonna say i was just gonna finish that there's a
00:02:49.380it's officially recognized by the department of defense
00:02:52.020you're able to have them on dog tags that's been a thing for quite some time
00:02:56.980um but yeah and then you know i think that's kind of the last of where we're at but if you
00:03:03.620want to go ahead and get his question that'd be great well and the the issue being um that i don't
00:03:12.260have the list of questions from the last one but sought to another he i was preparing to answer
00:03:19.300the question i was actually looking some stuff up um i don't have the answer as to who the irishman
00:03:26.340is because he asked about this is back when we're talking about the native american
00:03:31.860ceremonies the the that were witnessed um and drinking from her own well and things like that
00:03:39.220uh he said he asked a question who was the anthropologist that got a chance to look into
00:03:44.660that and he believed he was an irishman but as far back as i can remember the one person that's
00:03:49.940really worth looking into is a gentleman by the name of clark whistler you can look him up on
00:03:56.820wikipedia um you you can see how the modern folks demonize him because he was a believer in
00:04:05.060uh science in the form of breeding and eugenics um they'll call him a racial scientist or what
00:04:12.900have you but he was one of the guys that got to see the very rare sun rich bone and hang from
00:04:22.180suspended from a pole and um really interesting guy to look into uh some of his work is there
00:04:29.940Again, like I said, he was into racial eugenics and the idea of what breeding and encapsulating, you know, good traits versus and weeding out bad traits for society could mean.
00:04:44.560Of course, like I said, it's going to be heavily wrought with he was such a bad person.0.53
00:04:49.100But if you can read through all of that nonsense and his stuff with Native American is like studies, really interesting.
00:04:58.140and then also i found this too if you go down to the bottom of his page there is like a 50
00:05:06.380person list of anthropologists anthro am i saying that anthropologists
00:05:12.880oh other members of his you know sciences and their studies in list down at the bottom that
00:05:22.640are also very interesting to look into and all of his works and papers are linked there as well
00:06:50.640We are still, excuse me, we are still struggling with the issue of distance.
00:07:01.120It's one of the things that is always kind of an interesting situation we find ourselves in.
00:07:07.440If we had a significant group of our folk that lived within a normal, you know, whatever normal people do weekly for church, 30, 15 minute drive from our Hoffs, then we would love to do that once a week.
00:07:26.760Right now, we've got kind of a window around the home, and that makes it a little bit more difficult to get attendance that many times a week.
00:07:37.440And sometimes people might have things, they're certainly not limited to one service, for lack of a better term, every month at the Hoffs.
00:07:52.180And like I said, the more we can get people to live close or as our Hoffs expand and we get people closer to them, we'll certainly have increased activity there.
00:08:03.120But just kind of a footnote on it, I mentioned we're in year 30 of the Ausatru Folk Assembly as it is now, and Ausatru in its modern form has been around since, I believe, 1968 or some version of it.
00:08:20.360we got our very first Hoff in 2015 and that's Odin's Hoff in Brownsville, California. So
00:08:26.280we're rapidly correcting these problems and getting a lot better, but we're still not quite
00:08:32.200there on some of the distance. It's a relatively short amount of time since we've had Hoffs at all
00:08:39.480and they will move closer to our members and we will get more members closer to them. So it's kind
00:08:45.880of a it's being accomplished in both directions i'd say on that i did want to speak too on that
00:08:55.720i've been asked that before and i want to bring up that the monthly celebrations that we do
00:09:03.800are again bringing ourselves into alignment with the holy tides
00:09:07.800that he has ausitur can hold bloat and and um stumble at pretty much any time of the month
00:09:17.020or any time of the week we it's always a good time to give devotion to the gods and to give
00:09:22.460gifts to them it's just worth noting that the reason why we do it monthly right now is because
00:09:27.820we are holding our traditions of making sure that we honor the holy tides but you know if we were
00:09:36.900had a lot closer congregants that were able to maintain throughout the week and do bloats at
00:09:43.700any time that they saw or deemed you know fitting it would absolutely be done but so i i always try
00:09:50.420to explain that to people is that what they're seeing is predominantly the structure of the holy
00:09:56.060tides the the maintaining order and correctness throughout the year but praying at home is good
00:10:04.240but if we could get it to the point where we you know we'd hold midweeks or you know have a bloat
00:10:11.620for tear on tuesday and lord odin on wednesday and thor on thursday that would be great and we
00:10:17.480could easily do that it's just again yeah distance time lots of other factors so the next question
00:10:25.640that comes up i think it's a good one i appreciate you went to the source and asked them true and
00:10:30.380sanatana dharma is sharing a common indo-european root pantheon he told me that sanatana dharma
00:10:37.660is the root so remember remember that and that there was never a proto-indo-european on this
00:10:52.860so i want to i want to go from last to first on this
00:11:00.380That's just not true that there wasn't a Proto-Indo-European language or pantheon.
00:11:07.060Linguistics overwhelmingly prove that those things go back to a common root.
00:11:16.040And I don't, I'm not sure what he means if he says there wasn't a Proto-Indo-European language or pantheon,
00:11:25.160but that Sanatana Dharma is the root and that his pantheon is the root pantheon.
00:11:34.880Those can't exist simultaneously and both be true.
00:11:40.460I think that the way that he conceives, okay, and so here's the thing, to be fair.
00:11:44.740He conceives it, as far as I understand it, is that his Vedic, or however he would position it, but he uses Vedic terms, language and pantheon, be it Sanskrit as the root and everything else as a variant, descendant,
00:12:14.740um other interpretation or perhaps even deviation from what he feels is the original
00:12:23.680um yeah yeah something he just said yeah so i see that but i was going to kind of go down the
00:12:32.680route that he's talking about well so okay so i see that and i'll also stipulate that
00:12:40.960But I think the way that we conceive it is the root and the original and everything else is away from that. But I also know that it's, there's more to it than that. I know that, you know, Old Norse words and stories are variants of much, much more ancient source material that have been revealed to us under those terms over time.
00:13:10.960um i see the the follow-ups there and i and i appreciate
00:13:18.720i it's very nuanced because i don't know what that means to him um i don't
00:13:29.440think that anybody doesn't understand that
00:13:32.640european peoples um come from a common root and source that is distinct i would be surprised if
00:13:48.000he completely rejects that because he spoke favorably of fulkishness in specifically in
00:13:54.160the dharma manifesto but perhaps in other works and other things i've heard from him over the years
00:13:59.680um i mean speculative is i think an overused term and most anything that any of us are discussing
00:14:12.400would be described as anyone who is not a member of assembly as to one degree or another speculative
00:14:20.400so it's hard to it's hard to say exactly what he means by that um
00:14:28.720Yeah, so I'm curious because he, obviously he believes that his way of doing things would be doing it, and I will stipulate that, and, you know, clearly I believe that ours is the correct way of doing it,
00:14:49.500And I wish that he would that he would come our way and be part of what we're doing as he is a an ethnic Spaniard.
00:14:58.920So I think this would be the right place for him.
00:15:01.680But it's interesting. I'm glad you and he have had conversations and perhaps his position has evolved over the years.
00:15:06.920I'm not sure. It's fine. You had some thoughts on this.
00:15:11.220Yeah, I think I might understand where he's coming from.
00:15:15.620um what he's talking about is i i kind of got into a conversation with uh thomas owl about this
00:15:22.980and the um the usage of the word proto-indo-european is again a reconstruction or titling
00:15:31.700the language is also reconstructed so it's to envy the absolute like construction of the pantheon
00:15:42.860is again speculative everything was kind of worked backwards even the runic names that we use
00:15:48.540that are said to be you know like proto-indo-european are speculative linguistic cross
00:15:55.900analysis um and i think that's what he's saying is is that
00:16:01.020that there i don't think he's saying that there wasn't a pantheon is that we don't
00:16:04.540know fully because again a lot of it has been worked backwards and i i hearken to that a lot
00:16:10.220because the the people that really like
00:16:17.180beat the drum on the sky daddy issue uh they don't talk about the earth mommy issue they
00:16:22.300want to know about sky daddy and who sky daddy is and so on and so but i say that with god the
00:16:27.420shiva the vishnu of the arian pantheon the the one and only sky daddy uh they they kind of
00:16:34.220of dissolve away from the polytheistic tripartite that's clear in almost every aryan branch every
00:16:43.040aryan branch of faith has the tripartite the only one that doesn't is the one that's speculative
00:16:50.240which is the proto-indo-europe blah blah blah blah blah i just call it like pre-arian or
00:16:56.740again yeah proto-arian i guess is the the best way to to but it's all you know i think he's
00:17:04.440talking about the speculative and that what we do have is just what you said our pathway is the root
00:17:10.740his pathway he believes is the root um and that does have some merit i mean again i think a lot
00:17:17.020of people do forget and they want to like oh no there is a sky daddy word so it's got to be
00:17:22.420who's sky father what is sky father's other than that and it's like never mind that there's clearly
00:17:29.300the the triplication of the sky in every area and branch they're just focusing on the
00:17:34.800focusing on the speculative i think they're doing that to kind of bring christians in
00:17:39.360you know and and kind of make a correlation there but um i mean he is correct in the sense
00:17:46.700that linguistically there's a certain point where we can only speculate and we don't have any
00:17:54.300that's i think that that goes without saying and we would all stipulate that the further you go
00:18:01.740back in antiquity the murkier things become us because the sort the material for it is less and
00:18:09.740less the language is absolutely they sentence prove its existence if not this but the specifics
00:18:22.700of its culture and i think that you know things partly if we uncovered you know a detailed codex
00:18:31.420of you know how the most ancient area or used words or anything else um
00:18:42.940but one of those doesn't exist the lack of all of the specifics of it don't mean that
00:18:49.820that culture didn't exist or that there's not that root um because there certainly is the
00:18:57.420commonalities amongst the descended peoples are so very very similar if not in some instances
00:19:07.820exactly the same they're very clearly derived from a common earlier point and it's one of those
00:19:17.100that just is um i think that you know the original deities of our people
00:19:24.860in the the correct way and in some sense that's not mutually exclusive
00:19:33.520i don't you know just as i mentioned earlier i don't think that
00:19:39.580you know somebody rode up on an elephant and said hi indian arians my name is indra and somebody
00:19:50.220rode up on a goat chariot and said hi norse people my name's thor obviously our people applied those
00:19:58.860names and i don't you know that makes sense and there is there's room for that if that makes
00:20:07.580that makes any sense but i'd be really really kind of curious if he genuinely does not think that
00:20:13.900there is a link between aryan peoples in antiquity it would seem to fly in the face of all the
00:20:22.860evidence and just not be true if he says that the only people that have suggested that
00:20:31.420are people who have very specifically done that for uh politically correct reasons
00:20:39.660post the second world war so that's that's very interesting to me but i appreciate you asking that
00:20:46.020and bringing us his response um yeah what do you got let's say one thing please looking at the
00:20:53.700arians and you know i i kind of look at them as four branches you have the vedic branch you have
00:21:05.300the uh like persian but you know i wouldn't say persian i would say middle eastern branch
00:21:12.200you have the mediterranean branch and then you have the european or and i don't even like to
00:21:17.940use the word european because that's um uh a phoenician or or canaanite woman's name
00:21:25.860let's just say um you know i guess the folk land of the fatherland uh or the land of the people
00:21:34.600the you have these four branches the vedic branch goes down into india and they intermix with the
00:21:40.760dravidians over time very long amount of time they do write down some stuff so there's a lot
00:21:46.000of substantialness there then in the the middle eastern you have the what would eventually become
00:21:52.360the iranians but we're looking at kind of like i would say the louians and the hittites they
00:21:58.500intermix with the semitic people the mediterranean they do not intermix as much in the beginning but
00:22:06.820they do eventually mixing with the phoenicians and having some cultural stuff with the egyptians
00:22:11.700and and so on and so forth um the mediterraneans also their living structure the metropolis
00:22:18.580um changes a lot of the way they were like one of the first branches to really break away
00:22:23.060from the tribe and go into the the um the city state if you will it's the the um
00:22:31.140the folk branch that goes into what we call europe today they intermixed with stone age and bronze
00:22:38.660age descendants of the same people that they are like they they ended up not intermixing with a
00:22:46.660completely different people but inter intermixed with you know what whether we call it the goal
00:22:54.580also the celts or we could even go back to like you know the early megalith builders but
00:23:00.100out of those branches the one that doesn't completely conjoin onto a different people
00:23:06.020is the ones that went into europe and went into the um mid and northern so the slavs and the
00:23:13.780Teutons and the Gauls, those three in particular, have, I think, a lot of the branches in relation
00:23:21.400to outside peoples. And then, of course, you know, we see the Gauls kind of getting absorbed
00:23:26.720into the Teutons or being completely destroyed by the Italo-Romans. But, you know, when you look at
00:23:36.320like the Etruscans and the Romans and the Greeks, especially with Etruscans, you can see a lot of
00:23:40.400the Aryan, you know, the fact that they called their gods Essir is pretty, really, really
00:23:47.920interesting to me, how much they are more closely related to their northern cousins.
00:23:54.380But again, out of all the branches, the one that seems to be more or less internally functioning
00:24:01.800with itself is the Teutons, the Gauls, and the Swabs. And so I think about Proto-Indo-European
00:24:09.620and proto um you know language or religion and pantheon as being speculative 100 it is it is
00:24:16.460speculative but to as which one is the root or which one is i would argue least molested i would
00:24:24.180not put the of how they've absorbed and have steeped in dravidian culture for so long there's
00:24:31.780at this point we can't it's very hard to separate the two um and it you know a lot of people kind
00:24:38.800go to it and then on top of that if you are a european and you do go to the vedic arian branch
00:24:44.880you are still encapsulating a very alien branch like you're it's not something that you as a
00:24:55.280european can simply look back to your history and see a connection no you're jumping over
00:25:00.720and then since there and especially if he doesn't see those connections he doesn't see those
00:25:05.360connections if he thinks they're speculative then he is doing a complete jump without a connective
00:25:10.880point for all those branches which is pretty crazy to me but bring that up as far as my view on
00:25:18.240why i think the um the uh european um branch is the least um you know transmutated versus the
00:25:30.800other ones because they're they're influx with others and i would argue like again did uh deus
00:25:36.880or or uh zeus in the greek did he hold a scepter and then after they met the phoenicians
00:25:43.280their their head of their pantheon baal has a lightning rod was their influence there
00:25:51.040there's a lot of like little things that could be kind of talked about but above the alps
00:25:57.600with the gulls and the slavs and the tutans there seems to be it's